From kd5byb at earthlink.net Fri Oct 1 04:11:14 2004 From: kd5byb at earthlink.net (Ben Hall) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 06:11:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start In-Reply-To: <003901c4a754$7a70c9c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> References: <000a01c4a751$305b83f0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <003901c4a754$7a70c9c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <1096629080.3954659C@j28.dngr.org> Your battery has failed. My ranger did the same thing. Hood light was bright, nothing else worked. The machine gun sound is the starter relay trying to pull in but failing. Replace the battery and all should be well. Ltr, B On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:56pm, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hello Bob, > > I just went out and put a battery charger on the Expedition and now > everything lights up and the horn blows but when I try and start it, it > sounds like a machine gun going off and it will not turn over. Maybe I > need to leave the charger on longer. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 8:04 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start > > > Hey Paul, > > There are what's called "fuseable links" built into the wiring harness > which > are renowned to be susceptible to corrosion and separation. > > Start following the heavy wires specially to and from the starter > solenoid. > > > > Bob > Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, > others just use the initials! > -------Original Message------- > > From: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 09/30/04 20:55:46 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start > > My wife drove our 2000 Expedition up in the driveway this afternoon > after > picking up the kids, she went to put it in the garage a little while > ago and > it will not do anything. Nothing lights up on the instrument panel, > horn > will not blow, no overhead ceiling lights, no clicking, nothing. I > raise the > hood and the hood light is burning brightly so there should at least be > enough current to light the interior overhead lights. Is there some > kind of > safety switch or kill switch on these vehicles that may have it locked > out? > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --- Sent from my wireless email device... kd5byb at earthlink.net From kd5byb at earthlink.net Fri Oct 1 04:12:45 2004 From: kd5byb at earthlink.net (Ben Hall) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 06:12:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start In-Reply-To: <001c01c4a769$39da50b0$6e83fb40@gary> References: <000a01c4a751$305b83f0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <001c01c4a769$39da50b0$6e83fb40@gary> Message-ID: <1096629170.298BAFBF@w37.dngr.org> They still have the fuel pump cutoff. But when activated, and they do is kill the fuel pump - the engine will still crank. Our taurus was hit in a parking lot years ago and set off the cutout... Ltr, B On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:56pm, Gary Epps wrote: > Hi Paul, > > It is my understanding that Ford Motor Co. was required by the Feds to > use > a, for lack of a better term, kill switch on its products as a result > of the > Pinto accidents which resulted in loss of life due to the vehicles > catching > fire. I do not know if they are still required or not. I also do not > know > if they are electrical interrupters or fuel shut offs. I suspect that > one > of our resident mechanics on the list might know something definitive > here. > Good luck finding the problem. > > Gary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 7:54 PM > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start > > > My wife drove our 2000 Expedition up in the driveway this afternoon > after > picking up the kids, she went to put it in the garage a little while > ago and > it will not do anything. Nothing lights up on the instrument panel, > horn > will not blow, no overhead ceiling lights, no clicking, nothing. I > raise the > hood and the hood light is burning brightly so there should at least be > enough current to light the interior overhead lights. Is there some > kind of > safety switch or kill switch on these vehicles that may have it locked > out? > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --- Sent from my wireless email device... kd5byb at earthlink.net From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Fri Oct 1 04:32:01 2004 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 07:32:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] engine identity needed Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20041001073201.01672070@mail.accnorwalk.com> Can anyone give me the name of the mfg of the engine that looks like a model Y Briggs that has the Wico mag mounted external on the outside opposite the flywheel. I've heard them called an E-1 and also a hummer. Montgomery Wards sold a lot of them. I should know it but I'm drawing a blank. Thanks. Doug Tallman dtallman at accnorwalk.com VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director Greenwich, OH USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 1 04:27:18 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 06:27:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start References: <000a01c4a751$305b83f0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <001c01c4a769$39da50b0$6e83fb40@gary> Message-ID: <004601c4a7a9$9dfb72f0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Thanks Gary, it appears that everyone is saying it is the battery and I am now convinced that they are right. I left the battery charger on all night and it never did charge the battery. Thanks Gary and everyone else who responded to my inquiry for help. I so appreciate all of you. I will put on a new battery today and let you all know how I came out on this problem. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start > Hi Paul, > > It is my understanding that Ford Motor Co. was required by the Feds to use > a, for lack of a better term, kill switch on its products as a result of > the > Pinto accidents which resulted in loss of life due to the vehicles > catching > fire. I do not know if they are still required or not. I also do not > know > if they are electrical interrupters or fuel shut offs. I suspect that one > of our resident mechanics on the list might know something definitive > here. > Good luck finding the problem. > > Gary > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Oct 1 04:52:58 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 07:52:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start In-Reply-To: <003901c4a754$7a70c9c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> References: <000a01c4a751$305b83f0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <415CAD04.000001.02620@NOTEBOOK> <003901c4a754$7a70c9c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <415D451A.2050308@imc-group.com> Paul, I agree with the bad battery diagnosis. It's 4 years old, it's about that time. You can either have this checked at an auto parts house or check it yourself. Pop the caps so you can see down in the cells. Put your charger on and then turn it on high charge. If you see bubbles much heavier in one cell than the others you have a bad cell. Now Paul, wouldn't this sort of question be better suited on many of the well established automobile or Ford forums? This IS a gas engine list, but that is ANTIQUE gas engines. At least the OT subject isn't computers for a change..... Flame over. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hello Bob, > > I just went out and put a battery charger on the Expedition and now > everything lights up and the horn blows but when I try and start it, > it sounds like a machine gun going off and it will not turn over. > Maybe I need to leave the charger on longer. > > Paul > From galoway4 at earthlink.net Fri Oct 1 05:07:00 2004 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 07:07:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start References: <000a01c4a751$305b83f0$210110ac@PaulMaples><415CAD04.000001.02620@NOTEBOOK> <003901c4a754$7a70c9c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <001701c4a7af$29ee3950$20d65a42@jake> BATTERY! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start > Hello Bob, > > I just went out and put a battery charger on the Expedition and now > everything lights up and the horn blows but when I try and start it, it > sounds like a machine gun going off and it will not turn over. Maybe I need > to leave the charger on longer. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Jacobs" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 8:04 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start > > > Hey Paul, > > There are what's called "fuseable links" built into the wiring harness which > are renowned to be susceptible to corrosion and separation. > > Start following the heavy wires specially to and from the starter solenoid. > > > > Bob > Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, > others just use the initials! > -------Original Message------- > > From: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 09/30/04 20:55:46 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start > > My wife drove our 2000 Expedition up in the driveway this afternoon after > picking up the kids, she went to put it in the garage a little while ago and > it will not do anything. Nothing lights up on the instrument panel, horn > will not blow, no overhead ceiling lights, no clicking, nothing. I raise the > hood and the hood light is burning brightly so there should at least be > enough current to light the interior overhead lights. Is there some kind of > safety switch or kill switch on these vehicles that may have it locked out? > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ELIDAS at aol.com Fri Oct 1 05:41:10 2004 From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:41:10 EDT Subject: [SEL] Johnson Iron Horse connecting rod Message-ID: <190.2f760528.2e8eaa66@aol.com> I have a generator with a Johnson Iron Horse on it. The connecting rod has about .018 clearance an is pretty scored. The crank appears to be ok. I would like to try the aluminum "welding" rod I bought at Kinzers to restore clearance. This is the stuff sold at a stand where the guy joins cans, fixes castings etc. Anyone ever try it? Mike Semanoff Waterbury Connecticut From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 1 06:18:50 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 07:18:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Thread rolling machine Message-ID: Would be an interesting machine to watch work. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63953&item=3843282347&rd=1 Take Care, RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Oct 1 06:35:15 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:35:15 EDT Subject: [SEL] Johnson Iron Horse connecting rod Message-ID: Mike, I have no experience with this type welding, but I would be leary of it, warpage, porosity, etc. I would look into a bushing first if it was mine. But there may be others who are experts on this subject and have better ideas. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Oct 1 06:37:16 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:37:16 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start Message-ID: Paul, Often a battery will light the engine compartment light but not others due to current draw when it is going bad. If 2000 model and never replaced battery now 4 years old, I would suspect this first. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Oct 1 06:40:30 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:40:30 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start Message-ID: <1e5.2bd498fa.2e8eb84e@aol.com> In a message dated 10/1/2004 7:54:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: << Pop the caps so you can see down in the cells. Put your charger on and then turn it on high charge. >> Paul, While Curt is right in what he said, be careful looking down batteries as they will explode especially with chargers and jumpers hooked to them, and not a happy day when that happens in your face. This is why they always tell you to hook the ground last and to something other than the battery when jumping. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Oct 1 06:43:51 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 06:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Johnson Iron Horse connecting rod In-Reply-To: <190.2f760528.2e8eaa66@aol.com> References: <190.2f760528.2e8eaa66@aol.com> Message-ID: <27007.165.206.180.118.1096638231.squirrel@165.206.180.118> For automotive rods, you mill or grind (not with your bench grinder!!!) the cap and rod where they join - mill at a slight angle and what happens when you bolt it together is that it "squeezes" in the sides making the "hole" smaller all the way around. Then you have it bored and finished again, good as new. Reconditioned a lot of rods that way. (take more material off of the outside part of the rod and cap than off on the inside next to the bore - I have the details somewhere at home, been a long while since I've done this) Bill > I have a generator with a Johnson Iron Horse on it. The connecting rod > has > about .018 clearance an is pretty scored. The crank appears to be ok. I > would > like to try the aluminum "welding" rod I bought at Kinzers to restore > clearance. This is the stuff sold at a stand where the guy joins cans, > fixes castings > etc. Anyone ever try it? > Mike Semanoff > Waterbury Connecticut > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Oct 1 06:43:37 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:43:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start Message-ID: <20041001.094919.300.11.jlb94@juno.com> On an "older vehicle" - Sounds like a classic case of dirty battery terminals. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Oct 1 06:35:24 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:35:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start Message-ID: <20041001.094919.300.9.jlb94@juno.com> Don't ya just LOVE today's technology ? Wish I had an answer for ya. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From curt at imc-group.com Fri Oct 1 07:33:18 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 10:33:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thread rolling machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <415D6AAE.3020606@imc-group.com> Rick, This would make a fascinating working display belted to h&m engine. Making carriage bolts or something similar would be a great souvenir for spectators to take home. SEL member Tommy Berry has a jewelers chain making machine that he feeds copper wire into. The wire is cut, bent, looped, and closed to form chain. He gives pieces of chain away for souvenirs. I notice the manufacturer is Waterbury Farrell and the ad dates it to the early 1900's. We have a 1930 Waterbury Farrell ball forging machine in our plant that runs every day. It is one of the sweetest running machines we have. The quality of WF machines is second to none! The factory in Waterbury Conn. was destroyed and there are no records left so you'd be on your own figuring the machine out however. Go for it! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Richard Strobel wrote: > Would be an interesting machine to watch work. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63953&item=3843282347&rd=1 > > > From rholtzer at earthlink.net Fri Oct 1 07:33:12 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 07:33:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start In-Reply-To: <415D451A.2050308@imc-group.com> References: <003901c4a754$7a70c9c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <000a01c4a751$305b83f0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <415CAD04.000001.02620@NOTEBOOK> <003901c4a754$7a70c9c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20041001072715.00c36ef8@mail.earthlink.net> Rather than checking off-gassing during charging, I'd suggest a specific gravity check. You can get a very inexpensive tester consisting of several colored balls in a glass tube with a rubber squeeze bulb. Last one I bought was around $1.00. While not highly accurate, it will give you a general idea of the charge status of each battery cell. Usually one cell dies off when a battery is "dead". On the other hand, on my Fords I note a tendency for the thin (non-lead) battery cable terminals to corrode and the ability to carry current can be reduced substantially. A good cleaning followed by a corrosion preventing liquid or spray helps a lot. Best wishes. Bob Holtzer At 07:52 AM 10/1/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Paul, >I agree with the bad battery diagnosis. It's 4 years old, it's about that >time. You can either have this checked at an auto parts house or check it >yourself. Pop the caps so you can see down in the cells. Put your charger >on and then turn it on high charge. If you see bubbles much heavier in one >cell than the others you have a bad cell. >Now Paul, wouldn't this sort of question be better suited on many of the >well established automobile or Ford forums? This IS a gas engine list, but >that is ANTIQUE gas engines. At least the OT subject isn't computers for a >change..... >Flame over. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > >paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > >>Hello Bob, >> >>I just went out and put a battery charger on the Expedition and now >>everything lights up and the horn blows but when I try and start it, it >>sounds like a machine gun going off and it will not turn over. Maybe I >>need to leave the charger on longer. >> >>Paul > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 1 08:07:22 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:07:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Thread rolling machine References: <415D6AAE.3020606@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Go for it! > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC Yea right.."Look Honey what I bought today." Now I gotta drive across the U.S. to pick it up. Anyone know a good divorce lawyer???????? We did find another IHC "M" yesterday and his wife thinks he'll sell it. Been a lawn ornament for years..aarrgh!!!! Looks fairly complete tho and has the Wico. 1.5 or 3hp. Has the small tag. Any one got plans for building a 1.5hp muffler? And what's so trick about the cc breather? They want lots of moola for one. Put the decals on the Gal yesterday. For someone like me that hasn't applied a water transfer decal for 40+ years. I think you'll be surprised and if you're careful....impressed. They are FRAGILE!!! Several months ago I bought some off of ebay and they were apparently old. They almost exploded when I put them in the water. Jus kiddin' but all 5 of them would up in the garbage in a bazillion pieces. Well..I'll be headed for the shed. Trying to dream up a "T" style plate to hold the saw outfit tongue to the perpendicular cross piece. It does have the 2 angled steel straps that go out to the ends, but I thought a classy "T" plate would look kewl. John, do you remember that Galloway plate on ebay a year or so ago? Didn't they call that a "Hitch Plate?" Well later gang..fall is definetly here....and fallout will be on it's way if St. Helens' pops again. That was awesome here and we're over 600 miles away. RickinMt. From galoway4 at earthlink.net Fri Oct 1 10:10:59 2004 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:10:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New search engine Message-ID: <004301c4a7d9$a13b0cc0$a8de5a42@jake> New search engine clusty.com Has a good listing of Antique engines try it. Arthur Buchanan From curt at imc-group.com Fri Oct 1 11:37:04 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:37:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Mike Burns - IHC tractor and engine weekend Oct 16th. Message-ID: <415DA3D0.3000803@imc-group.com> Would someone please post and confirm this over to the tractor list. I'm not on the tractor list at the moment. Engine and tractor fans, Last fall I posted pictures from a small first year event held at Mike Burn's place. It was a fairly private affair, but it was so successful Mike has asked me to post invitations on the SEL, Harry's, and the tractor lists inviting all those interested in IHC engines and tractors to attend. This is NOT a show you bring anything to. You simply come and observe his machinery at work. It'll be the easiest engine and tractor show you ever attend! At this point Mike cannot accommodate additional displays due to limited field space. Be assured he has plenty to see and watch. You can even join in the fun/work if the mood strikes you. Mike has a significant collection of Mogul and Titan tractors and this year will be running his newest completion, a big 45 Titan, a 2 cylinder beast. I believe he also has s/n 1 Titan tractor, a friction drive. You'll also see many large Mogul and Titan/Famous portable engines. There is a IHC antique car with the flat air cooled 2 cylinder engine under the floorboard. There are several non-Pareil engines and water hopper verticals too. There is no shortage of goodies to see! Mike and his helpers (you) will be threshing with a E-B thresher and baling hay with an IHC baler. The thresher is driven with one of the Titan tractors. The event will be held the Saturday on the weekend between Cotton Ginning Days and the Arden show. This is Saturday the 16th starting between 9 and 10 a.m. until...... I believe this is an event you will want to attend and will be well worth even a significant drive. Here is a link for a few pictures I took last year to give you a taste of what to expect. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2003/Thumbnails.html Mike's place is in Simpsonville, SC (near Greenville) Here are directions to his place: <>On Interstate 85 (North or South) take Exit 51 (which will be Woodruff Road or Hwy 146) Go appx. 6 or 7 miles (towards Woodruff Town) you will see East Georgia Road, take a right on E. Georgia Road go appx. 1 1/2 miles Mike's house is on the right. Look for Windy Hill Farms. The address 2715 E. Georgia Road, Simpsonville, SC 29681 This Mapquest link gives you a map. http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&countryid=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=address&searchtype=address&address=2715+E.+Georgia+Road&city=Simpsonville&state=sc&zipcode=29681&search=++Search++ Mike can also be reached at: 864-288-1992 (shop) 864-414-1996 (cell) Mike looks forward to seeing you on Saturday October 16th. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From cgbusch at yahoo.com Fri Oct 1 12:08:25 2004 From: cgbusch at yahoo.com (Chris Busch) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] new to ebay selling (a Jaguar) In-Reply-To: <004301c4a7d9$a13b0cc0$a8de5a42@jake> Message-ID: <20041001190825.32355.qmail@web52501.mail.yahoo.com> I am taking a bit step with ebay.? I am selling my brother's Jaguar. Item #2492323955 Has anyone else sold any cars on ebay?? Any tips?? Any scary stories of shifty bidders?? I usually sell my collector cars at live collector car auctions that way I don't have to deal with the buyers since the auctioneers handle it.? As for my engines, I haven't sold any yet (they take up less space. :) What all do you think of my ad copy: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2492323955 Any suggestions for that? ===== -- Chris Busch cgbusch at yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/cgbusch/ From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Oct 1 13:22:56 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 06:22:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] new to ebay selling (a Jaguar) References: <20041001190825.32355.qmail@web52501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201c4a7f4$70685100$e0541fd3@km> Come on Chris this is a engine list not a second hand car add list, this and cars not going should stop - my opinion Kerry > I am taking a bit step with ebay. I am selling my > brother's Jaguar. Item #2492323955 From AntiqueEngineB at aol.com Fri Oct 1 15:09:35 2004 From: AntiqueEngineB at aol.com (AntiqueEngineB at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:09:35 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start Message-ID: <1e5.2be3b30d.2e8f2f9f@aol.com> You better watch talking about things other than gas engines or you`ll have KERRY upset Robert Stanton Brooklyn Mi antiqueengineb at aol.com From Carrowor at comcast.net Fri Oct 1 15:13:23 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:13:23 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] RE: Tandem Trailer References: <008501c4a737$31d68a00$ce09fea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: <415DD683.000001.00432@NOTEBOOK> Ok Andy, Just make sure somebody drives behind you (carefully) to pick up the pieces as they fall off on the first trip. As a footnote: When I bought the welder to put my first trailer togeather my wife (now ex) couldn't comprehend why I needed a welder and why I didn't just bolt it togeather! Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 10/01/04 17:38:03 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] RE: Tandem Trailer Hello All, Thanks for the replies and pictures, they helped a lot, I've now got idea's from all over the world, so there's no excuse for me to suff it up, just my welding! but nothing a grinder and a bit of paint won't fix. Thanks.......Andy....... Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Carrowor at comcast.net Fri Oct 1 15:21:31 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:21:31 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start References: <1e5.2be3b30d.2e8f2f9f@aol.com> Message-ID: <415DD86B.000003.00432@NOTEBOOK> You better watch talking about things other than gas engines or you`ll have KERRY upset Robert Stanton Brooklyn Mi Does that mean I can't tell anyone that I just bought a Farmall Cub???? Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 1 15:51:00 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:51:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition - Fixed!!!!! Message-ID: <00c401c4a809$215e3290$210110ac@PaulMaples> Everyone was right it was the BATTERY...Thanks for the many, many responses. Paul From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Oct 1 16:25:48 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:25:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start References: <1e5.2be3b30d.2e8f2f9f@aol.com> <415DD86B.000003.00432@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <002e01c4a80d$feba7410$b444e5d8@gary> It's alright to tell the list about the Farmall Cub, it's probably stationary anyway. Now if it was a John Deere... Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start You better watch talking about things other than gas engines or you`ll have KERRY upset Robert Stanton Brooklyn Mi Does that mean I can't tell anyone that I just bought a Farmall Cub???? Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Carrowor at comcast.net Fri Oct 1 16:52:15 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:52:15 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start References: <002e01c4a80d$feba7410$b444e5d8@gary> Message-ID: <415DEDAF.000001.04000@NOTEBOOK> OUCH!!!! It's not quite stationary, but if it was a Deere John, It'd be green with envy. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 10/01/04 19:27:35 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start It's alright to tell the list about the Farmall Cub, it's probably stationary anyway. Now if it was a John Deere... Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start You better watch talking about things other than gas engines or you`ll have KERRY upset Robert Stanton Brooklyn Mi Does that mean I can't tell anyone that I just bought a Farmall Cub???? Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Oct 1 17:49:49 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 20:49:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thread rolling machine In-Reply-To: References: <415D6AAE.3020606@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Rick, the mufflers for the Ms are 2-piece iron castings. Repros are available from folks like Hit 'n' Miss and Starbolt. I bought one for my 3 HP from Hit 'n Miss several years ago. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From falcon at telenet.net Fri Oct 1 20:56:52 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 23:56:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Mike Burns - IHC tractor and engine weekend Oct 16th. References: <415DA3D0.3000803@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <018b01c4a833$da658020$4c5c14d0@net.telenet.net> Done... Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:37 PM Subject: [SEL] Mike Burns - IHC tractor and engine weekend Oct 16th. > Would someone please post and confirm this over to the tractor list. I'm > not on the tractor list at the moment. From jnyost at yahoo.com Sat Oct 2 05:11:40 2004 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 05:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - eBay item# 3932162514: ANTI BUSH CHENEY TWO BIGGER BOOBS PIN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041002121140.51790.qmail@web40628.mail.yahoo.com> Arn, Did you get a response? If he does let me know!!!! ROFLMAO, Jim --- Arnie Fero wrote: > Hiya Folks, > > I've asked the seller if he has one of these with > Kerry / Edwards photos. > 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > To view this item, go to: > http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnter&partner=888801&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi%2Eebay%2Ecom%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI%2Edll%3FViewItem%26item%3D3932162514%26category%3D4103%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Oct 2 07:00:21 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 08:00:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Thread rolling machine References: <415D6AAE.3020606@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Thanks John. What makes the cc breather so special? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thread rolling machine > Rick, the mufflers for the Ms are 2-piece iron castings. Repros are > available from folks like Hit 'n' Miss and Starbolt. I bought one for > my 3 HP from Hit 'n Miss several years ago. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Oct 2 08:02:44 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 09:02:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New search engine References: <004301c4a7d9$a13b0cc0$a8de5a42@jake> Message-ID: That is pretty cool! Thanks Arthur RickinMt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Buchanan" To: Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 11:10 AM Subject: [SEL] New search engine New search engine clusty.com Has a good listing of Antique engines try it. Arthur Buchanan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Oct 2 09:12:45 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 12:12:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thread rolling machine In-Reply-To: References: <415D6AAE.3020606@imc-group.com> Message-ID: It's a one way valve that lets air out on the intake and power strokes and won't let it back in when on the compression and exhaust strokes. Keeps a partial vacuum in the crankcase and cuts down on the wasted work of constantly pumping air in and out of the breather pipe. Makes it a lot quieter and keeps dirt out of the crankcase. John On Oct 2, 2004, at 10:00 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > Thanks John. What makes the cc breather so special? > > Rick John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From BetCleve321 at aol.com Sat Oct 2 14:55:44 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 17:55:44 EDT Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! Message-ID: <1f6.d0af5.2e907de0@aol.com> In a message dated 9/27/2004 7:10:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: He spent that day and Sunday night in the hospital and had a cath this morning. All is now well! Arnie I knew that. How is Cath? Skip From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Oct 2 15:25:41 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 18:25:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! (OT) In-Reply-To: <1f6.d0af5.2e907de0@aol.com> References: <1f6.d0af5.2e907de0@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041002182400.0203dbb8@mail.alltel.net> At 05:55 PM 10/2/2004, you wrote: > >In a message dated 9/27/2004 7:10:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, >rotigel at alltel.net writes: >He spent that day and Sunday night in the >hospital and had a cath this morning. All is now well! Arnie >I knew that. >How is Cath? > >Skip It took you 5 days to come up with that? You should consider joining the tractor list! Dave From jnyost at yahoo.com Sat Oct 2 16:09:59 2004 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 16:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! (OT) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041002182400.0203dbb8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <20041002230959.85889.qmail@web40614.mail.yahoo.com> Dave or anyone, We just got back to Ohio from the State of Hurricane. Actually we seen some of Jeanne with her 80 MPH wind but really did not see much damage caused by her. What is the deal about Arnie's MHA? I did not see the first email on this. Thanks, Jim --- Dave Rotigel wrote: > At 05:55 PM 10/2/2004, you wrote: > > > >In a message dated 9/27/2004 7:10:49 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > >rotigel at alltel.net writes: > >He spent that day and Sunday night in the > >hospital and had a cath this morning. All is now > well! Arnie > > > >I knew that. > >How is Cath? > > > >Skip > > It took you 5 days to come up with that? You should > consider joining the > tractor list! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From jnyost at yahoo.com Sat Oct 2 16:13:50 2004 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 16:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Thread rolling machine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041002231350.68770.qmail@web40608.mail.yahoo.com> SEL, This is one more that I did not see the first email on due to us being in the State of Hurricane. What does a M muffler have to do with a thread rolling machine? Jim --- Richard Strobel wrote: > Thanks John. What makes the cc breather so special? > > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Culp" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 6:49 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thread rolling machine > > > > Rick, the mufflers for the Ms are 2-piece iron > castings. Repros are > > available from folks like Hit 'n' Miss and > Starbolt. I bought one for > > my 3 HP from Hit 'n Miss several years ago. > > > > John Culp > > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From BetCleve321 at aol.com Sat Oct 2 16:19:21 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 19:19:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! (OT) Message-ID: <1f4.da7e6.2e909179@aol.com> In a message dated 10/2/2004 6:29:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: It took you 5 days to come up with that? You should consider joining the tractor list! Dave Been there. Done that. Give me 5 more days. Computer has been rope start for weeks so I haven't been using it much. Gas was hard to come by for a few days. Back to normal. Til the next one. Skip From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Oct 2 16:38:36 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 19:38:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic Message-ID: <415F3BFC.1030800@scrtc.com> I went out to do some work in the shop this afternoon but found it almost impossible to do any work on the old iron. The problem I had was flies, millions of them. I've never seen so many in my life. I went to the old machine shop I have in town and opened the door on it and it was the same thing. Flies covered the windows until they were almost black. Whats going on I don't know. Must have something to do with our weather, lack of rain, cool mornings, etc. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get rid of them? I opened all the windows and doors, took a broom and tried to "shoo" out as many as possible. If there were a million before, I still probably have 750,000. Does anyone know of a fly trap, fly or bug catcher, etc. that would be effective on them? I could fog the building and kill them for the time being but would have dead flies everywhere and would probalby have a reinfestation tomorrow. Any thoughts appreciated. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Oct 2 17:18:08 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 20:18:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic In-Reply-To: <415F3BFC.1030800@scrtc.com> References: <415F3BFC.1030800@scrtc.com> Message-ID: I've had fly plagues like that here in the past. The whole basement floor would be covered with them, and plenty got in the house. One night after we'd gotten the kids in bed, I turned out all the lights behind me as I went to bed. Well, the flies all followed the light and ended up in our bedroom. They were still trying to buzz around in the dark, and a couple bumped into my face. That ticked me off. I got up and hunted up a stored-away bug zapper, hung it up in the bedroom and plugged it in, turned out the lights and went back to bed. Boy, did Jane and I get a show as all those flies flew into the zapper and fried! The bug zapper doesn't work in the daytime, as they're not particularly attracted to UV light. It's hard to sneak up and swat them. It's a lot easier to use a Dust Buster or vacuum cleaner and suck them up! They don't seem afraid of the approaching vacuum wand until it's too late. John On Oct 2, 2004, at 7:38 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > I went out to do some work in the shop this afternoon but found it > almost impossible to do any work on the old iron. The problem I had > was flies, millions of them. I've never seen so many in my life. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Oct 2 17:40:27 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 17:40:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic In-Reply-To: <415F3BFC.1030800@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <200410030040.i930eVkr068986@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Flies covered the windows until they were almost > black. Whats going on I don't know. Must have something to > do with our weather, lack of rain, cool mornings, etc. Does anyone have any > suggestions on how to get rid of them? Tommy, Like my old great grand-mammy used to tell me... If you want to get flies out of the kitchen, put a bucket of shit in the dining room. From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Oct 2 17:38:29 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 20:38:29 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re: flies- OT Message-ID: <9b.4f1ad2b4.2e90a405@aol.com> In a message dated 10/2/2004 8:28:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, johnculp at chartertn.net writes: << The problem I had > was flies, millions of them. I've never seen so many in my life. >> I had a similar problem only with yard grubs that are the larva of June bugs. Millie and I went on vacation early September for a week. Came home to 1/2 of a 5 gallon bucket of white grubs about as big as you little finger that I vacuumed out of the pool. Seems our yard had become infested with them and for some reason they come out of the ground at night and were crawling into the pool. Each evening for a week I vacuumed out a coffee can after coming home. The following Saturday I bought two big bags of Sevin dust, mixed it with some fertilizer and spread it with a sling spreader. Two hours after putting it down the grubs started coming out of the ground dying. This went on all week till our yard stunk from all the dead. The smell has finally gone away and no more are coming out, so must have been effective in eliminating them. Thankfully the moles had not found them. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Oct 2 19:57:04 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 22:57:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! (OT) In-Reply-To: <20041002230959.85889.qmail@web40614.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041002182400.0203dbb8@mail.alltel.net> <20041002230959.85889.qmail@web40614.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041002223935.0209e108@mail.alltel.net> At 07:09 PM 10/2/2004, you wrote: >Dave or anyone, >We just got back to Ohio from the State of Hurricane. >Actually we seen some of Jeanne with her 80 MPH wind >but really did not see much damage caused by her. >What is the deal about Arnie's MHA? >I did not see the first email on this. >Thanks, Jim Hi Jim (and anyone else who may want to know), A week ago Arnie was admitted to the hospital. Tests showed that he had suffered a mild heart attack. Monday they put two stints in and then sent him home on Tuesday. I was at his house on Wed. and we enjoyed shooting my new Browning .380 (BDA.) Arnie looked fine and seemed "normal" (whatever the hell that means with Arnie!) Thursday Arnie and Nancy left for somewhere in NY for his youngest daughter's wedding. I think they (ie Arnie and Nancy) will be back home tomorrow. It's my understanding that Arnie and I will be attending the Cotton Ginning Days in NC next weekend. Arnie can't go back to work for 4 weeks so he has decided to take in several more shows and work on his engines during that time! Rob (and several other List members) contacted Nancy as soon as they learned about the heart attack. Nancy asked me to tell all of them "Thanks" for the offer on Arnie's engines. She has all their names and phone numbers on file and will contact them "when the time is right." Dave From garyepps at fidnet.com Sat Oct 2 20:46:45 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 22:46:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic References: <200410030040.i930eVkr068986@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <002601c4a8fb$9deb55c0$5b83fb40@gary> I dunno, I think I like the idea of bringing in four dozen pond frogs with long sticky tongues better than the bucket in the living room. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 7:40 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic > > Flies covered the windows until they were almost > > black. Whats going on I don't know. Must have something to > > do with our weather, lack of rain, cool mornings, etc. Does anyone have any > > suggestions on how to get rid of them? > > > Tommy, > Like my old great grand-mammy used to tell me... > > If you want to get flies out of the kitchen, > put a bucket of shit in the dining room. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Oct 2 21:37:29 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 22:37:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Festival pictures Message-ID: <001901c4a902$b1961bd0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Rained for two days and today the sun came out for our event. My club has a part in this city festival. The short one and I had a great time attending, and will probably be showing next year. One of the bigger events the club is involved in. A highlight this year was meeting David the peanut roaster using his Maytag to turn the machines. My thanks to all that offered help a while back when the Maytag had troubles. He does now have an electric for backup, but so far it's of no use. Maytag ran all day long, under load with no problems. Pictures at: http://frapa.us/Photos/CiderDays04/Cider04.html Enjoy! Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Oct 2 21:43:08 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 21:43:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! (OT) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041002223935.0209e108@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <200410030443.i934hBkr058524@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Rob (and several other List members) contacted Nancy > as soon as they learned about the heart attack. Hi Dave, It is so good to know that Arnie will be ok. When did you say he'll be leaving for the show? How long will he be away? Just curious. Rob From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 2 22:12:08 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 00:12:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Festival pictures References: <001901c4a902$b1961bd0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <015201c4a907$8e04f010$210110ac@PaulMaples> Great pictures Jeff, thanks for posting them. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 11:37 PM Subject: [SEL] Festival pictures Hello all, Rained for two days and today the sun came out for our event. My club has a part in this city festival. The short one and I had a great time attending, and will probably be showing next year. One of the bigger events the club is involved in. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Oct 3 00:26:21 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:26:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Colin Message-ID: <000c01c4a91a$759a3220$47111bd3@athlon> We arrived at Westmead hospital at about 10 AM and found our way to the Ward where Colin was. Christine and their son were already there. We went in to see him and I was just shocked! He did not react to our presence but I chatted to him and gave him all the wishes from his list friends. I really dont think he will last too many more hours. It is a heartbreak to seee a mate in this condition. I am sure he would want you all to remember the Colin of the wicked wit and humour. Let us all raise our glasses to a real good bloke, wish him a safe transition to where ever he is bound for. And also our wishes go to the family he is leaving. Chris knows we are with her in spirit. She also knows she can call on us if ever the need arises. So, Colin, go in peace mate and our best wishes go with you. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Oct 3 01:43:28 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 18:43:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic References: <200410030040.i930eVkr068986@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <006e01c4a926$ec434720$47111bd3@athlon> Ah, Rob, such clear thinking!! You are wasted where you are. You should now tell us how to get rid of politicians! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic > > Flies covered the windows until they were almost > > black. Whats going on I don't know. Must have something to > > do with our weather, lack of rain, cool mornings, etc. Does anyone have any > > suggestions on how to get rid of them? > > > Tommy, > Like my old great grand-mammy used to tell me... > > If you want to get flies out of the kitchen, > put a bucket of shit in the dining room. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Oct 3 05:36:53 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 06:36:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Colin References: <000c01c4a91a$759a3220$47111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: Kathy and I will toast him on our weekly Sunday afternoon drive. Thanks Reg RickinMt. > Let us all raise our glasses to a real good bloke, wish him a safe > transition to where ever he is bound for. > And also our wishes go to the family he is leaving. Chris knows we are > with > her in spirit. She also knows she can call on us if ever the need arises. > So, Colin, go in peace mate and our best wishes go with you. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Oct 3 06:08:50 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 09:08:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic In-Reply-To: <006e01c4a926$ec434720$47111bd3@athlon> References: <200410030040.i930eVkr068986@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <006e01c4a926$ec434720$47111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <415FF9E2.2010306@scrtc.com> Reg, You've answered where the bucket full comes from! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: >Ah, Rob, such clear thinking!! You are wasted where you are. You should now >tell us how to get rid of politicians! >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rob Skinner" >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 10:40 AM >Subject: RE: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic > > > > >>>Flies covered the windows until they were almost >>>black. Whats going on I don't know. Must have something to >>>do with our weather, lack of rain, cool mornings, etc. Does anyone have >>> >>> >any > > >>>suggestions on how to get rid of them? >>> >>> >>Tommy, >>Like my old great grand-mammy used to tell me... >> >>If you want to get flies out of the kitchen, >>put a bucket of shit in the dining room. >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Oct 3 11:46:09 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:46:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic In-Reply-To: <415F3BFC.1030800@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <200410031846.i93IkDkr079784@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi Tommy, How about opening the windows and doors and chasing them out with a leaf blower! Jimmy O' Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 4:39 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic I went out to do some work in the shop this afternoon but found it almost impossible to do any work on the old iron. The problem I had was flies, millions of them. I've never seen so many in my life. I went to the old machine shop I have in town and opened the door on it and it was the same thing. Flies covered the windows until they were almost black. Whats going on I don't know. Must have something to do with our weather, lack of rain, cool mornings, etc. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get rid of them? I opened all the windows and doors, took a broom and tried to "shoo" out as many as possible. If there were a million before, I still probably have 750,000. Does anyone know of a fly trap, fly or bug catcher, etc. that would be effective on them? I could fog the building and kill them for the time being but would have dead flies everywhere and would probalby have a reinfestation tomorrow. Any thoughts appreciated. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Sun Oct 3 12:39:43 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:39:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: [AT] Put a tentative mark on your calenders Message-ID: <002801c4a980$bc270b80$a11117d1@net.telenet.net> > Our U-Pick pumpkin patch is going over well enough this year that > I have decided to start planning right now for a big pumpkin festival here > at TMCOTKU (Shelbyville, Indiana) on the first weekend of October (first > and second) 2005. Part of the event will be an antique tractor show (and > putter) and I want to invite ATIS members to bring tractors or at least > themselves to the event. There will be no general admission to anyone. I > don't know insurance details yet but an about $5 membership fee may or may > not be necessary to cover insurance cost. I still need to talk with my farm > insurance company again to clarify a few details of what they will cover > and what I will need to cover with outside coverage. > There are millions of details to handle yet and a lot of planning > and preparation to do between now and next Oct. We are right now planning > for about 5 acres or more of U-Pick pumpkins. I intend for it to be a very > busy weekend for anyone who comes. There will be primitive camping > available for exhibitors and some guest and some with limited electrical > available. Slightly like Cubfest 2004 but in a different location and a > "lot" bigger area. All camping will be free. > I have fallen in love with demonstration activities (when not > under water like Portland) and am planning for a lot of different > activities to watch. As I get planning a little further along I will post > an outline of planned activities (it will be a bunch). We are also planning > hay rides, perhaps by tractor and horse both. All such activities are free. > If someone would be so kind as to pass this along to the SEL I > would enjoy listening to some engines too. > Unlike Cubfest which we kept fairly quiet locally this thing could > get pretty big. We will be a lot more ready for this one than I was for > Cubfest. We have been doing a fair amount of cleaning and landscaping since > Cubfest and have a much better sense of direction now. > Unlike Portland and even the Conner Prairie living history museum > we demo at each year, here we will have hundreds of bushels of corn to > shell and lots of slab wood to buzz saw up. We may also have some sorghum > to squeeze and cook if I can get my timing right. I have a press but will > have to find or build a cooker. Also here many activities can involve > digging in the dirt a little. > Mark your calender and I will keep you posted... > > > > "farmer" > > Francis Robinson > Central Indiana, USA > robinson at svs.net > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Oct 3 12:49:26 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 15:49:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic In-Reply-To: <200410031846.i93IkDkr079784@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> References: <200410031846.i93IkDkr079784@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <416057C6.5040400@scrtc.com> Jimmy, the bucket trick and some others that have been sent to me didn't seem to have much possiblilty (although I'm sure that I could find ample supply of material for the bucket). But, you may be on to something. I could take care of the ones around the windows and doors. The ones that are at the eve of the roof would be hard to get though. Its 26 ft from the floor to the peak inside the building. I assume they are searching for the warmest air by gathering at the peak. If I give it time, they'll all eventually die but then I'm going to have a bunch of dead flies to clean off of some old iron. Could be worse things happen (like a tornado and I've been through that). Thanks to you and others who have had suggestions. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Jim O'Hagan wrote: >Hi Tommy, How about opening the windows and doors and chasing them out with >a leaf blower! Jimmy O' > >Jim O'Hagan >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy >Turner >Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 4:39 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic > >I went out to do some work in the shop this afternoon but found it >almost impossible to do any work on the old iron. The problem I had was >flies, millions of them. I've never seen so many in my life. I went to >the old machine shop I have in town and opened the door on it and it was >the same thing. Flies covered the windows until they were almost >black. Whats going on I don't know. Must have something to do with our >weather, lack of rain, cool mornings, etc. Does anyone have any >suggestions on how to get rid of them? I opened all the windows and >doors, took a broom and tried to "shoo" out as many as possible. If >there were a million before, I still probably have 750,000. Does anyone >know of a fly trap, fly or bug catcher, etc. that would be effective on >them? I could fog the building and kill them for the time being but >would have dead flies everywhere and would probalby have a reinfestation >tomorrow. Any thoughts appreciated. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Oct 3 14:10:15 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:10:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic In-Reply-To: <416057C6.5040400@scrtc.com> References: <200410031846.i93IkDkr079784@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <416057C6.5040400@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <9F4EC945-1580-11D9-9FC3-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Tommy, you could have a golden opportunity to test those ultrasonic pest repellers and tell us if they work on flies. (I bet they don't.) John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From galoway4 at earthlink.net Sun Oct 3 14:56:48 2004 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:56:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic References: <415F3BFC.1030800@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002001c4a993$e3cc24f0$3dda5a42@jake> Take a clear plastic bag,wad up some alumine foil and put inside the bag pour some water in the bag then hang it up in the barn. Wait until you try it before you knock it. Works in horse barn. Arthur Buchanan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 6:38 PM Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic > I went out to do some work in the shop this afternoon but found it > almost impossible to do any work on the old iron. The problem I had was > flies, millions of them. I've never seen so many in my life. I went to > the old machine shop I have in town and opened the door on it and it was > the same thing. Flies covered the windows until they were almost > black. Whats going on I don't know. Must have something to do with our > weather, lack of rain, cool mornings, etc. Does anyone have any > suggestions on how to get rid of them? I opened all the windows and > doors, took a broom and tried to "shoo" out as many as possible. If > there were a million before, I still probably have 750,000. Does anyone > know of a fly trap, fly or bug catcher, etc. that would be effective on > them? I could fog the building and kill them for the time being but > would have dead flies everywhere and would probalby have a reinfestation > tomorrow. Any thoughts appreciated. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Oct 3 15:08:21 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:08:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] I might be and OAFES if....... Message-ID: <20041003.150822.1296.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Check out the new toy. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=69667339 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=69667340 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=69667341 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=69667342 &f=0 I was given two of these, this is the first, should be able to make one complete engine out of the two. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Oct 3 15:27:48 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 18:27:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] I might be and OAFES if....... In-Reply-To: <20041003.150822.1296.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20041003.150822.1296.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <74C89007-158B-11D9-A9E6-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Now that looks like a fun project! John On Oct 3, 2004, at 6:08 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi all. > Check out the new toy. I was given two of these, this is the first, > should be able to make one > complete engine out of the two. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Oct 3 15:53:53 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 23:53:53 +0100 Subject: [SEL] I might be and OAFES if....... References: <20041003.150822.1296.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <002201c4a99b$db9470a0$6b856ad5@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 11:08 PM > Hi all. check out the new toy. > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=69667339 > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=69667340 > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=69667341 > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=69667342 > I was given two of these, this is the first, should be able to make one > complete engine out of the two. Ron Haskell Hi Ron, see http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/p/perower/emA.html & look for Ajax Dave Croft From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 3 16:09:51 2004 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] I might be and OAFES if....... In-Reply-To: <20041003.150822.1296.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <20041003230951.99001.qmail@web14105.mail.yahoo.com> Looks like a fun project. Wow, what a flywheel. What is the rated horsepower on the toy? Ron rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: Hi all. Check out the new toy. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=69667339 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=69667340 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=69667341 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=69667342 &f=0 I was given two of these, this is the first, should be able to make one complete engine out of the two. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Oct 3 17:54:04 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 18:54:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Rare Chase Engine Message-ID: <000601c4a9ac$a659d270$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Our club is part of the festival that I put online last night. Because of that I had a free pass for both days, and decided to miss the first part of my race for a short return visit. I am glad I did. New club member Roger White showed his engine today only. It is a Chase 4 hp engine, and the BYB lists it, but there are no pictures. Roger has researched this and his engine seems to be one of only four to exist. Now I am new to this hobby, and have found many to be quite rude when you try to talk to them. Maybe that is normal. Some are friendly and others are not. Roger is very friendly, and we had a great time. I look forward to visiting with him and taking more pictures in the future. For now this is all I have. http://frapa.us/Chase/Chase.html Please note that I try to keep the captions relative to the club site that I run. I try to keep list issues off of the captions and now flame and fire. Reg brought this issue up, and I do believe it needs to be addressed by all. In one of the pictures in the above link you will see Roger explaining the workings of his engine. Up close and personal and that has to continue. The engine was running at the time. In the time I was there not one person tried to play with the moving parts, but they did get to see them up close. I rotated the flywheel on compression and learned about the relief valve on the side of the cylinder. Can't start it without that. First crank, poof, poof, and close the valve. Hit several times and off to a slow steady run. This up close and personal interaction will keep the hobby alive and bring in new people like me. Sit behind your fences and chat with your buddies or show your toys to the world and share. I've made my choice, and I think Mr. Maytag will get the first outing next weekend. Off the soapbox for now. Do enjoy the pictures. Made my day. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From Carrowor at comcast.net Sun Oct 3 18:47:28 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 21:47:28 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Rare Chase Engine References: <000601c4a9ac$a659d270$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <4160ABB0.000001.02912@NOTEBOOK> Great pics of a preserved/restored rarity. So nice to see the "oddities" Throw some of those "flames" my way, I'm with ya Jeff!!!! I started attending shows at the ripe old age of 3. Yes, that's right, my first show was National Threshers Association at three years of age. Even at that age I had been taught enough to know you don't stick body parts in the way of moving iron. This insurance "game", not only with the engines but in every aspect of our lives, is ridiculous. A little common sense goes a heck of a long way, combine that with a little respect for others property (something not taught anymore) should tell others to keep their hands off and/or ask first. I could go on, but off the soapbox for now. I'm just thankful for all the friendly/informative people my dad had the pleasure and opportunity to associate with and introduce me to. Most are long ago gone now and I'm "on my own" but I'll carry on the tradition of sharing my tiny spec of knowledge to any and all who should care to ask. Wanna play with my toys, be my guest but let me explain a few "safety" things to you, Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 10/03/04 20:47:36 To: 'The SEL email discussion list'; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Rare Chase Engine Hello all, Our club is part of the festival that I put online last night. Because of that I had a free pass for both days, and decided to miss the first part of my race for a short return visit. I am glad I did. New club member Roger White showed his engine today only. It is a Chase 4 hp engine, and the BYB lists it, but there are no pictures. Roger has researched this and his engine seems to be one of only four to exist. Now I am new to this hobby, and have found many to be quite rude when you try to talk to them. Maybe that is normal. Some are friendly and others are not. Roger is very friendly, and we had a great time. I look forward to visiting with him and taking more pictures in the future. For now this is all I have. http://frapa.us/Chase/Chase.html Please note that I try to keep the captions relative to the club site that I run. I try to keep list issues off of the captions and now flame and fire. Reg brought this issue up, and I do believe it needs to be addressed by all. In one of the pictures in the above link you will see Roger explaining the workings of his engine. Up close and personal and that has to continue. The engine was running at the time. In the time I was there not one person tried to play with the moving parts, but they did get to see them up close. I rotated the flywheel on compression and learned about the relief valve on the side of the cylinder. Can't start it without that. First crank, poof, poof, and close the valve. Hit several times and off to a slow steady run. This up close and personal interaction will keep the hobby alive and bring in new people like me. Sit behind your fences and chat with your buddies or show your toys to the world and share. I've made my choice, and I think Mr. Maytag will get the first outing next weekend. Off the soapbox for now. Do enjoy the pictures. Made my day. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Oct 3 19:42:07 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:42:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] I might be and OAFES if....... Message-ID: <20041003.195702.1296.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Yes that is an impressive flywheel. I don't know what the rated hp. might be. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:09:51 -0700 (PDT) "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" writes: > Looks like a fun project. Wow, what a flywheel. What is the rated > horsepower on the toy? > Ron > From segray at mlode.com Sun Oct 3 21:52:46 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 21:52:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] I might be and OAFES if....... In-Reply-To: <20041003.195702.1296.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20041003.195702.1296.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <4160D71E.9040302@mlode.com> Hey Ron - That flywheel looks like the one on this Beilfuss engine I have (BYB pg. 51). Weighs in at an even 100 lbs. . This engine is an 8 horse (if I'd ever do something with it!). - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: >Yes that is an impressive flywheel. I don't know what the rated hp. >might be. > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > >On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:09:51 -0700 (PDT) "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" > writes: > > >>Looks like a fun project. Wow, what a flywheel. What is the rated >>horsepower on the toy? >>Ron >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From wilson at stny.rr.com Sun Oct 3 21:32:28 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 00:32:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis - What does this remove? Message-ID: I think the main purpose of this is to remove Rust - but what other stuff does it take off? Thanks, Glenn Wilson -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org]On Behalf Of Craig Mathews Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:39 PM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: Re: FYI Electrolysis If you use Arm and Hammer Super Washing Soda, the grease and paint are not a problem, comes right off. I use a small battery charger, about 8 amps, cleans semi large parts in a 5 gallon bucket in two to three days, I have a larger set-up for 15 gallons for larger parts. I have seen a guy do an entire trailer in a huge tank with a DC arc welder for current and it worked. Just FYI Jeff Allen wrote: Peter, I only played with this a couple times last winter. So far I haven't had a need to try it again, but that will change soon. All my experiments have been in a five gallon bucket with a small battery charger. I don't think I ever got over 8 amps on the meter, and maybe not that high. For reference that was a Maytag gas tank bottom. My biggest problem was surface rust formed immediately even though I blew the parts off right away. There was quite a discussion on the list about this, and John Culp came up with sodium silicate. So as not to ramble the solution we use in the ultra sonic cleaner at work has this in it for rust prevention. It works, several weeks, and is paintable. I will use it on my next experiment. Now to your questions. > > 1) How does the current requirement change with surface area of the part> being > cleaned? Linearly? Logarithmically? I found the distance from the object to the electrode was the biggest factor in the amount of current. Size didn't seem to make a difference. The number of electodes also seems to have an effect on current. My latest experiment has a piece of stretched sheet metal surrounding the inside of the entire bucket. Seems to work pretty good with that surface area. Have a few pictures if you want them. > > 2) How long does the solution last? Mine lasted for months. > > 3) What disposal methods are used for spent solution? Haven't done it yet. The water evaporated over the summer. Near as I can tell I have baking soda and iron in the bottom of the bucket. I'll save it for the roses next spring. Heard iron is great for them. > > 4) Can the solution be topped up with more Soda or is it a one-shot > process? It only takes a small amout of baking s! oda or whatever you use. Water level dropps, mix a little more in a gallon jug and top it off. That's the best I can do for you Peter. I will tell you it does work, but the parts have to be clean, no grease, etc. Here is a link you might check out. http://www.angelfire.com/tx/hotube/electro.html Have fun, and keep us posted on your experiences. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From diesel at easynet.co.uk Mon Oct 4 04:01:18 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (diesel at easynet.co.uk) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:01:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis - What does this remove? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1096887678.41612d7e95c98@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> Quoting Glenn Wilson : > I think the main purpose of this is to remove Rust - but what other stuff > does it take off? > Thanks, Glenn Wilson The soda will affect paint products that are sensitive to this type of chemical, and some metals like aluminum (aluminium in the UK) will be marked by it. Generally it is best to use it for cast iron and steel products where the paint is going to be replaced anyway. Peter -- Peter Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel --------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.easynetdial.co.uk From jnyost at yahoo.com Mon Oct 4 06:34:37 2004 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 06:34:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! (OT) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041002223935.0209e108@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <20041004133437.85427.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Dave --- Dave Rotigel wrote: > At 07:09 PM 10/2/2004, you wrote: > >Dave or anyone, > >We just got back to Ohio from the State of > Hurricane. > >Actually we seen some of Jeanne with her 80 MPH > wind > >but really did not see much damage caused by her. > >What is the deal about Arnie's MHA? > >I did not see the first email on this. > >Thanks, Jim > > Hi Jim (and anyone else who may want to know), > A week ago Arnie was admitted to the > hospital. Tests showed that > he had suffered a mild heart attack. Monday they put > two stints in and then > sent him home on Tuesday. I was at his house on Wed. > and we enjoyed > shooting my new Browning .380 (BDA.) Arnie looked > fine and seemed "normal" > (whatever the hell that means with Arnie!) > Thursday Arnie and Nancy left for somewhere > in NY for his youngest > daughter's wedding. I think they (ie Arnie and > Nancy) will be back home > tomorrow. It's my understanding that Arnie and I > will be attending the > Cotton Ginning Days in NC next weekend. Arnie can't > go back to work for 4 > weeks so he has decided to take in several more > shows and work on his > engines during that time! > Rob (and several other List members) > contacted Nancy as soon as > they learned about the heart attack. Nancy asked me > to tell all of them > "Thanks" for the offer on Arnie's engines. She has > all their names and > phone numbers on file and will contact them "when > the time is right." > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Oct 4 08:54:33 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic In-Reply-To: <416057C6.5040400@scrtc.com> References: <200410031846.i93IkDkr079784@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <416057C6.5040400@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Hi Tommy, Igunanas. Lots of Igunanas. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Sun, 3 Oct 2004, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > The ones that > are at the eve of the roof would be hard to get though. Its 26 ft from > the floor to the peak inside the building. I assume they are searching > for the warmest air by gathering at the peak. If I give it time, > they'll all eventually die but then I'm going to have a bunch of dead > flies to clean off of some old iron. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Oct 4 08:55:02 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic In-Reply-To: <002001c4a993$e3cc24f0$3dda5a42@jake> References: <415F3BFC.1030800@scrtc.com> <002001c4a993$e3cc24f0$3dda5a42@jake> Message-ID: Hiya Art, Is this a plan for getting rid of the flies or for filling Rob's bucket? 8-)) See ya, Arnie City boy in PA On Sun, 3 Oct 2004, Arthur Buchanan wrote: > Take a clear plastic bag,wad up some alumine foil and put inside the bag > pour some water in the bag then hang it up in the barn. Wait until you try > it before you knock it. Works in horse barn. From prepair at easynet.co.uk Mon Oct 4 09:16:33 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 17:16:33 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic In-Reply-To: References: <200410031846.i93IkDkr079784@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <416057C6.5040400@scrtc.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:54:33 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Hi Tommy, > >Igunanas. Lots of Igunanas. 8-)) > >See ya, Arnie Sounds like a cross between an Igniter and a Banana....:-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 4 05:51:28 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 07:51:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic References: <415F3BFC.1030800@scrtc.com> <002001c4a993$e3cc24f0$3dda5a42@jake> Message-ID: <002d01c4aa10$de2e6e40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Raid Yard guard and use it like Glade it will kill every thing in the joint My fiirast choice would be starting fluid and a zippo From my98tj at hotmail.com Mon Oct 4 12:15:02 2004 From: my98tj at hotmail.com (98 TJ) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 19:15:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] trying to contact contact Mike Montieth about listers Message-ID: I get my e-mail returned when I try to contact Mike Montieth @ blueridge address. Does anyone have a current e-mail address to contact Mike about a lister purchase ? Thanks Ourfarm _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx From galoway4 at earthlink.net Mon Oct 4 13:13:17 2004 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:13:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic References: <415F3BFC.1030800@scrtc.com> <002001c4a993$e3cc24f0$3dda5a42@jake> Message-ID: <002101c4aa4e$a1acbd80$3cdb5a42@jake> Hello Arnie: We have used this for a number of years. If you go to the 10/03/04 of the Dallas Morning News section 1E there is a story of a farrier that uses the same thing. Arthur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic > Hiya Art, > > Is this a plan for getting rid of the flies or for filling Rob's bucket? > 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > City boy in PA > > On Sun, 3 Oct 2004, Arthur Buchanan wrote: > > > Take a clear plastic bag,wad up some alumine foil and put inside the bag > > pour some water in the bag then hang it up in the barn. Wait until you try > > it before you knock it. Works in horse barn. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From avanti_64 at juno.com Mon Oct 4 16:29:47 2004 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (Joe Kelley) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 19:29:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nelson Brothers Jumbo Message-ID: <20041004.192952.-754407.0.avanti_64@juno.com> Hi gang, I am restoring a Nelson Bros 3 hp Jumbo (which I will sell). Can anyone tell me or have a picture of the return spring that pushes on the rocker arm which in turn pushes the pushrod back onto the cam gear? I think this may fit into the big "spoon" part of the rocker arm. Thanks Joe Kelley You can send the pic to jfk52 at tds.net ________________________________________________________________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Oct 4 17:13:19 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 20:13:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic In-Reply-To: References: <415F3BFC.1030800@scrtc.com> <002001c4a993$e3cc24f0$3dda5a42@jake> Message-ID: <5C942644-1663-11D9-8B38-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Tarantulas might work. I don't hear of fly problems in the tarantula-swarmed workshops down in Texas. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Oct 4 17:15:43 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 20:15:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] trying to contact contact Mike Montieth about listers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've recently been informed that his email is: Mike Montieth [mdmo at rfci.net] Haven't tried it. He used to be hard to reach by E-mail when the old address was current. John On Oct 4, 2004, at 3:15 PM, 98 TJ wrote: > I get my e-mail returned when I try to contact Mike Montieth @ > blueridge address. > Does anyone have a current e-mail address to contact Mike about a > lister purchase ? > Thanks > Ourfarm John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Oct 4 17:27:24 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:27:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Grain Elevator and flat belt question Message-ID: Howdy all; Been a while since I posted to the Tractor list, so thought I'd show Ralph G. and whoever's interested, this old Rock Grain Elevator that's still working in Harlowton, Mt. It was a weekend so will have to find out more about it sometime in the future. I believe it's made out of granite. btw Ralph, the Smithsonian has a traveling display that shows old elevators. Will try to find out more. Here's the link. http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/158661245OvzoWV Question please to you folks. Has anyone ever tried to use (as a flat belt[on pulley's]) the belt used on a NG New Holland round balers? This is the black rubber(?) belt that winds up the hay into a round bale. Believe there's around 4,5, or 6 of them. If so, how'd ya make out? Thanks in anticipation! RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Oct 4 17:01:19 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 20:01:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT Message-ID: <20041004.203534.868.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, Does anyone know of a flashlight that uses a 9V battery ? Yes - THe 9V like in a transistor radio. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "?You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Oct 4 19:36:29 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 21:36:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT In-Reply-To: <20041004.203534.868.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <008801c4aa84$20216140$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> I'd be sort of surprised if there was such a thing due to the nature of the battery - low draw over long periods, other factors. They just weren't made to "light lights". If it existed, it wouldn't be your ordinary flashlamp light bulb. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 7:01 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT Hi List, Does anyone know of a flashlight that uses a 9V battery ? Yes - THe 9V like in a transistor radio. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "?You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 4 15:24:52 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:24:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic References: <415F3BFC.1030800@scrtc.com> <002001c4a993$e3cc24f0$3dda5a42@jake> <002101c4aa4e$a1acbd80$3cdb5a42@jake> Message-ID: <001c01c4aa60$f89ae6a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Hello Arnie: > We have used this for a number of years. If you go to the 10/03/04 of the > Dallas Morning News section 1E there is a story of a farrier that uses the > same thing. > > > Take a clear plastic bag,wad up some alumine foil and put inside the bag > > > pour some water in the bag then hang it up in the barn. Wait until you > try > > > it before you knock it. Works in horse barn. What are the results of doing so ? Al. foil and sodium hydroxide makes hydrogen From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Tue Oct 5 04:54:56 2004 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 07:54:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Transportation Needed Conn to Coolspring Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20041005075456.01687198@mail.accnorwalk.com> I've bought an early steel wheeled garden tractor in Torrington Connecticut and was wondering if anyone coming to Coolspring could bring it along. It would probably take up about 2/3 of an 8 ft pickup bed. Any help appreciated. Thanks! Doug Tallman dtallman at accnorwalk.com VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director Greenwich, OH USA From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Oct 5 06:45:37 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 06:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Old Grain Elevator and flat belt question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041005134537.5190.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> Rick A friend has purchased new rubber belting (used in round balers) and uses a 12' belt (6'between centers) to run a stover burr mill. The belt does not slip and works well. I believe the belt is ~5" wide. Steve --- Richard Strobel wrote: Question please to you folks. Has anyone ever tried to use (as a flat belt[on pulley's]) the belt used on a NG New Holland round balers? This is the black rubber(?) belt that winds up the hay into a round bale. Believe there's around 4,5, or 6 of them. If so, how'd ya make out? Thanks in anticipation! RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Oct 5 07:16:30 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 08:16:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Grain Elevator and flat belt question References: <20041005134537.5190.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Steve! The local farm supply has some used ones and I'm sure the price would be right. I'll check them out in the next few days. Catcha later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Grain Elevator and flat belt question > Rick > > A friend has purchased new rubber belting (used in round balers) and uses > a 12' belt (6'between centers) to run a stover burr mill. The belt does > not slip and works well. I believe the belt is ~5" wide. > > Steve > > --- Richard Strobel wrote: > > > > Question please to you folks. Has anyone ever tried to use (as a flat > belt[on pulley's]) the belt used on a NG New Holland round balers? This > is the black rubber(?) belt that winds up the hay into a round bale. > Believe there's around 4,5, or 6 of them. If so, how'd ya make out? > > Thanks in anticipation! > RickinMt. > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Oct 5 07:25:37 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 14:25:37 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Old Grain Elevator and flat belt question Message-ID: <100520041425.5280.4b53@mchsi.com> Steve, Please contact me off list. Curt Andree > Rick > > A friend has purchased new rubber belting (used in round balers) and uses > a 12' belt (6'between centers) to run a stover burr mill. The belt does > not slip and works well. I believe the belt is ~5" wide. > > Steve > > --- Richard Strobel wrote: > > > > Question please to you folks. Has anyone ever tried to use (as a flat > belt[on pulley's]) the belt used on a NG New Holland round balers? This > is the black rubber(?) belt that winds up the hay into a round bale. > Believe there's around 4,5, or 6 of them. If so, how'd ya make out? > > Thanks in anticipation! > RickinMt. > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Oct 5 07:27:27 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:27:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT Message-ID: <20041005.103305.756.4.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks Bill, Mainly - It's because I have all these 9V batteries from my Smoke Alarms that seem perfectly good and I hate to throw them away. I figured it would be easy to find a "cheap" flash light that uses 9V's. But - No luck. Thanks for the advice. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "?You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Oct 5 07:32:57 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:32:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Grain Elevator and flat belt question Message-ID: <20041005.103305.756.5.jlb94@juno.com> the belt used on a NG New Holland round balers? = = = = = = Hi Rick, Nice pic. Looks professional. Have no idea what kind of belt is used on a bailer. I have used automobile serpentine belts on a Maytag to run a grinding wheel and it worked fine. Is that close ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From mtucker at uky.edu Tue Oct 5 07:33:49 2004 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:33:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Grain Elevator and flat belt question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Has anyone ever tried to use (as a flat >belt[on pulley's]) the belt used on a NG New Holland round balers? This is >the black rubber(?) belt that winds up the hay into a round bale. Believe >there's around 4,5, or 6 of them. If so, how'd ya make out? Rick, I use a 4" wide one for my little burr mill and it works great. It is very pliable and doesn't slip. Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From George_Best at adp.com Tue Oct 5 07:50:14 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 07:50:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT Message-ID: Do a Google search for "9v flashlight" and you'll get 31 hits, leave the quotes off and you'll get thousands. All the 9v flashlight stuff I saw were using LED's for the bulb. Now that I've answered this off topic question, let me ask why people post these questions rather than doing a simple search first? George Best > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > jlb94 at juno.com > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 5:01 PM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT > > Hi List, > > Does anyone know of a flashlight that uses a 9V battery ? > > Yes - THe 9V like in a transistor radio. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "?You know you're getting old - > \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Oct 5 08:35:09 2004 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 11:35:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nelson Brothers Jumbo Message-ID: Hi Joe, I don't have a picture here with me but the return spring does fit into the big spoon on the rocker arm on my Nelson Bros. Steve Royster >From: Joe Kelley >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Nelson Brothers Jumbo >Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 19:29:47 -0400 > >Hi gang, I am restoring a Nelson Bros 3 hp Jumbo (which I will sell). Can >anyone tell me or have a picture of the return spring that pushes on the >rocker arm which in turn pushes the pushrod back onto the cam gear? I >think this may fit into the big "spoon" part of the rocker arm. Thanks >Joe Kelley >You can send the pic to jfk52 at tds.net > >________________________________________________________________ >Get your name as your email address. >Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more >Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Oct 5 15:30:00 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:30:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT In-Reply-To: <008801c4aa84$20216140$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> References: <008801c4aa84$20216140$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <181C551C-171E-11D9-84B1-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Oughta be great for LEDs. On Oct 4, 2004, at 10:36 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: > I'd be sort of surprised if there was such a thing due to the nature > of the > battery - low draw over long periods, other factors. They just weren't > made > to "light lights". > If it existed, it wouldn't be your ordinary flashlamp light bulb. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Oct 5 15:33:08 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:33:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT In-Reply-To: <20041005.103305.756.4.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20041005.103305.756.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <881203F5-171E-11D9-84B1-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Hook 'em up in series and make B batteries for old tube farm radios. 5 of 'em make a nice 45V B battery, 10 for 90V. John On Oct 5, 2004, at 10:27 AM, jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Thanks Bill, > > Mainly - It's because I have all these 9V batteries from my Smoke > Alarms > that seem perfectly good and I hate to throw them away. > > I figured it would be easy to find a "cheap" flash light that uses > 9V's. > > But - No luck. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From galoway4 at earthlink.net Tue Oct 5 17:13:37 2004 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:13:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT References: Message-ID: <002101c4ab39$555f96f0$07db5a42@jake> Because we have you! ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 9:50 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Batteries - OT > Do a Google search for "9v flashlight" and you'll get 31 hits, leave the quotes off and you'll get thousands. > > All the 9v flashlight stuff I saw were using LED's for the bulb. > > Now that I've answered this off topic question, let me ask why people post these questions rather than doing a simple search first? > > George Best > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > jlb94 at juno.com > > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 5:01 PM > > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT > > > > Hi List, > > > > Does anyone know of a flashlight that uses a 9V battery ? > > > > Yes - THe 9V like in a transistor radio. > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > jlb94 at juno.com > > ,-._,-. "?You know you're getting old - > > \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." > > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Oct 5 17:51:26 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:51:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Valve guides one more time? Message-ID: <014a01c4ab3e$9cb8df20$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Here's where I'm coming from guys and gals. I have never rebuilt one of these engines, but I am documenting my rebuild. I want the information to be accurate. Bad information is worse than none at all. I am hoping you veterans will share your experiences when I ask questions. Once again I am considering using modern thin wall bronze guides, but would love to hear how others have handled this. Knurling is not an option for me on this, but might work for others. Any help is appreciated. Thanks for the responses from Montana, all two of them. Appreciated and hoped for more. This is an engine forum if I remember correctly. Do I need to find a battery forum for this question? :-) Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Oct 5 18:10:36 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:10:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Valve guides one more time? Message-ID: <20041005.181037.928.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Jeff. Most of my engines are in the 1? to 5 hp range, and when I have loose valve guides I find an automotive valve a few thousandths over and ream the guide to fit the new valve. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:51:26 -0600 "Jeff Allen" writes: > Hello all, > > Here's where I'm coming from guys and gals. I have never rebuilt one > of these engines, but I am documenting my rebuild. I want the > information to be accurate. Bad information is worse than none at > all. I am hoping you veterans will share your experiences when I ask > questions. > > Once again I am considering using modern thin wall bronze guides, > but would love to hear how others have handled this. Knurling is not > an option for me on this, but might work for others. Any help is > appreciated. > > Thanks for the responses from Montana, all two of them. Appreciated > and hoped for more. > > This is an engine forum if I remember correctly. Do I need to find a > battery forum for this question? :-) > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Oct 5 20:02:59 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:02:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Valve guides one more time? References: <20041005.181037.928.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <001e01c4ab50$fd5117a0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Thanks Ron, That's the kind of tips I'm looking for. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Valve guides one more time? > Hi Jeff. Most of my engines are in the 1? to 5 hp range, and when I have > loose valve guides I find an automotive valve a few thousandths over and > ream the guide to fit the new valve. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:51:26 -0600 "Jeff Allen" > writes: >> Hello all, >> >> Here's where I'm coming from guys and gals. I have never rebuilt one >> of these engines, but I am documenting my rebuild. I want the >> information to be accurate. Bad information is worse than none at >> all. I am hoping you veterans will share your experiences when I ask >> questions. >> >> Once again I am considering using modern thin wall bronze guides, >> but would love to hear how others have handled this. Knurling is not >> an option for me on this, but might work for others. Any help is >> appreciated. >> >> Thanks for the responses from Montana, all two of them. Appreciated >> and hoped for more. >> >> This is an engine forum if I remember correctly. Do I need to find a >> battery forum for this question? :-) >> >> Regards, >> >> Jeff Allen >> Arvada, Colorado USA >> >> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ >> http://frapa.us/ >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Oct 5 20:47:28 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 04:47:28 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT References: <20041005.103305.756.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <001c01c4ab57$3347bb60$6b856ad5@no1> If anyone needs cheap 9v batteries try the heart monitor service at your local hospital. Our uses them once for a few hours on each patient & then puts a new one in for the next patient.. The almost unused batteries they sell at 4 for a pound with the money going to charity! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Batteries - OT > Thanks Bill, > > Mainly - It's because I have all these 9V batteries from my Smoke Alarms > that seem perfectly good and I hate to throw them away. > > I figured it would be easy to find a "cheap" flash light that uses 9V's. > > But - No luck. > > Thanks for the advice. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "?You know you're getting old - > \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Oct 5 20:53:36 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 23:53:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT Message-ID: <20041006.001205.1180.1.jlb94@juno.com> Now that I've answered this off topic question, let me ask why people post these questions rather than doing a simple search first? = = = = = = Never thought of it - - - Thanks George, Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From nick at holden1.net Tue Oct 5 23:08:39 2004 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 07:08:39 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT References: <20041004.203534.868.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <41638BE7.000001.01460@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> The type of lamp you put on your head with a strap like the ones snap-on sell take 9V battery,s -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 10/05/04 03:17:07 To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT Hi List, Does anyone know of a flashlight that uses a 9V battery ? Yes - THe 9V like in a transistor radio. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "?You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel . From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Oct 5 23:41:31 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:41:31 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Valve guides one more time? References: <014a01c4ab3e$9cb8df20$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <002001c4ab6f$83bf2c00$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Jeff, what equipment do you have to repair valve guides, seats etc? John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web Once again I am considering using modern thin wall bronze guides, but would love to hear how others have handled this. Knurling is not an option for me on this, but might work for others. Any help is appreciated. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From plb at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 6 02:17:50 2004 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:17:50 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Valve guides one more time? References: <014a01c4ab3e$9cb8df20$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <02c101c4ab85$5aa85d80$0100a8c0@Portable> On a Lister I recently did the valve stems were pitted. I machined them to clean up. The old guides were shot so I removed them and reamed the bores back to round and then made new ones out of soft cast iron. Made them around .001 thou interferance in the new bores and made the ID's a bit of clearance on the valve stems. They seem to be working well. The old ones were also cast iron and they went for 80 years. Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:51 AM Subject: [SEL] Valve guides one more time? Hello all, Here's where I'm coming from guys and gals. I have never rebuilt one of these engines, but I am documenting my rebuild. I want the information to be accurate. Bad information is worse than none at all. I am hoping you veterans will share your experiences when I ask questions. Once again I am considering using modern thin wall bronze guides, but would love to hear how others have handled this. Knurling is not an option for me on this, but might work for others. Any help is appreciated. Thanks for the responses from Montana, all two of them. Appreciated and hoped for more. This is an engine forum if I remember correctly. Do I need to find a battery forum for this question? :-) Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Wed Oct 6 04:11:06 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:11:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Valve guides one more time? Message-ID: <3a5bqj$9ktg89@mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net> > > On a Lister I recently did the valve stems were pitted. I machined them to > clean up. The old guides were shot so I removed them and reamed the bores > back to round and then made new ones out of soft cast iron. Made them around > .001 thou interferance in the new bores and made the ID's a bit of clearance > on the valve stems. They seem to be working well. The old ones were also > cast iron and they went for 80 years. > Ray Freeman > Once again I am considering using modern thin wall bronze guides, but would > love to hear how others have handled this. Knurling is not an option for me > on this, but might work for others. Any help is appreciated. > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > Cast iron is supposed to be better than bronze in this case where you have limited lubrication. Bronze is good when fed by continuous lube. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Oct 6 05:56:47 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 06:56:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Grain Elevator and flat belt question References: <20041005.103305.756.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Thanks Pip....you too Mike! Will look further into those belts. The price should be right and they should clean up nicely. Hope ya had a nice summer....Mt. was great with very few fires and the trees are turning their fall colors. My machinist friend has caught "THE OLD IRON BUG" now and found himself a nice low tension IHC 1.5hp "M". He machined the gib key puller listed in the manual and it worked like a champ. It's coming apart nicely and he's taking his time. Hopefully I've convinced him to completely rebuild the mixer and down the road we can work it and even possibly inject some water. Still amazed they used dirty hopper water. Well take care, Rick PS: Volcano cam at: http://www.fs.fed.us/gpnf/volcanocams/msh/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Grain Elevator and flat belt question > the belt used on a NG New Holland round balers? > = = = = = = > Hi Rick, > Nice pic. Looks professional. > > Have no idea what kind of belt is used on a bailer. > > I have used automobile serpentine belts on a Maytag to run a grinding > wheel and > it worked fine. > > Is that close ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - > \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Oct 6 06:18:02 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 07:18:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" Message-ID: For my machinist friend Corky, alias Spud.....soon to join the SEL. On his 1.5hp low tension IHC "M", the water needle valve is broke off with half of it still inside the mixer. Any suggestions on how to get it out? He wants it original. Also were zerk grease fittings OEM on the mains? We looked at a greased up cc breather yesterday and now understand why they're so pricy. Does anyone have a picture of the water injection "Check valve" affair in the mixer? Thanks much gang. RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Oct 6 06:33:05 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 07:33:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gib Key removal Message-ID: Yea, me again :-( Well we have a 5/8 x 3" Gib that is having fun with us. A huge slide hammer hasn't budged it, nor has a tapered punch. I would think that the slide hammer would extert a humungus force on the key but there's where the mystery for me starts. So is it time to drill, tap, and use a bottle jack puller like Ron Haskell did or use the welder and weld on a stud? Or should we just blow out the key with a gas axe? Havin' a ball in Mt. with the ole iron, RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From plb at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 6 06:34:50 2004 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:34:50 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" References: Message-ID: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable> The needles on mine are brass. Can it be drilled out? All the engines I have seen have cups on the mains. Mine even has a grease cup to lubricate the camshaft where it exits the side plate. There was no bush or bearing in there but as it was worn I machined it and made a bronze bearing for it. Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:18 PM Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > For my machinist friend Corky, alias Spud.....soon to join the SEL. > > On his 1.5hp low tension IHC "M", the water needle valve is broke off > with half of it still inside the mixer. Any suggestions on how to get it > out? He wants it original. > Also were zerk grease fittings OEM on the mains? > > We looked at a greased up cc breather yesterday and now understand why > they're so pricy. > > Does anyone have a picture of the water injection "Check valve" affair in > the mixer? > > > Thanks much gang. > > RickinMt. > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plb at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 6 06:47:47 2004 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:47:47 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Gib Key removal References: Message-ID: <02fb01c4abab$108addb0$0100a8c0@Portable> Weld the stud first. That gives you the drilling option if it don't work.It would be harder the other way around.I would be using the torch as a last resrt only. Once you start with that there are no more options after that! Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:33 PM Subject: [SEL] Gib Key removal > Yea, me again :-( > > Well we have a 5/8 x 3" Gib that is having fun with us. A huge slide > hammer hasn't budged it, nor has a tapered punch. I would think that the > slide hammer would extert a humungus force on the key but there's where > the mystery for me starts. So is it time to drill, tap, and use a bottle > jack puller like Ron Haskell did or use the welder and weld on a stud? Or > should we just blow out the key with a gas axe? > > Havin' a ball in Mt. with the ole iron, > > RickinMt. > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From marvhed at ecenet.com Wed Oct 6 07:35:10 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:35:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Gib Key removal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24001.199.62.0.252.1097073310.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> i was able to get a stubborn gib key out that had lost it's tang by welding (2) 1/8" x 1" wide x 4" long plates on either side of the key and then welding the plates to the rod of a home made slide hammer. i now have a hole in the end of one of the plates to hook the tang on the new key. marv in minn >> Well we have a 5/8 x 3" Gib that is having fun with us. A huge slide > hammer > hasn't budged it, nor has a tapered punch. I would think that the slide > hammer would extert a humungus force on the key but there's where the > mystery for me starts. So is it time to drill, tap, and use a bottle jack > puller like Ron Haskell did or use the welder and weld on a stud? Or > should > we just blow out the key with a gas axe? > > Havin' a ball in Mt. with the ole iron, > > RickinMt. From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Oct 6 07:57:44 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:57:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT In-Reply-To: <001c01c4ab57$3347bb60$6b856ad5@no1> References: <20041005.103305.756.4.jlb94@juno.com> <001c01c4ab57$3347bb60$6b856ad5@no1> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041006105603.021232e0@mail.alltel.net> At 11:47 PM 10/5/2004, you wrote: >If anyone needs cheap 9v batteries try the heart >monitor service at your local hospital. I tried that several years ago. Had to give it up after several of the guys on the monitors went room temperature and the monitor failed to alert anyone! Dave From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Oct 6 08:09:29 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:09:29 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" References: Message-ID: <000701c4abb6$7a24b4c0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Rick, that's not so pretty when the water needle valve is broken. You have to try to drill it out, but not deeper than about an inch, that way you have the change the needle point will fall out because it's thinner than the threads. The outer brass tube with the threads and the valve seat is pressed in at the factory and the only thing you could do is made a complete new unit with a suction hole at the right place. See the pics I made for ya at these addresses: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/needle.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/carbM.jpg The grease fittings are OEM for the mains, cam gear and crankshaft. The water check valve is one complete unit of brass, when you thumble the carb you will see and hear the pear shaped ball falling in its seat. When it's kaput Hit 'n Miss sells them new. Happy playing both of you, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > On his 1.5hp low tension IHC "M", the water needle valve is broke off with > half of it still inside the mixer. Any suggestions on how to get it out? > He wants it original. > Also were zerk grease fittings OEM on the mains? > We looked at a greased up cc breather yesterday and now understand why > they're so pricy. > Does anyone have a picture of the water injection "Check valve" affair in > the mixer? > Thanks much gang. > RickinMt. From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Wed Oct 6 08:21:43 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:21:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] fatal accident, Jackson County, Oregon Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7025496F6@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Tractor driver killed at Harvest Fair event By DAMIAN MANN Mail Tribune A tractor flipped over killing the 60-year-old driver Sunday afternoon during the Harvest Fair at the Jackson County Expo Center, according to Sheriff's officials and eyewitnesses. The name of the victim was withheld until notification of next of kin. "I thought we could save his life, but he was pretty badly injured," said Carl Sieg, a member of branch 141 of the Early Day Gas Engine and Tractor Association. The Medford resident was one of a group of men who helped pull the vintage International Farmall off the victim, while other people pulled him out. Sieg said he watched with some alarm as the man inched up a steep ramp toward the trailer. (more) http://www.mailtribune.com/archive/2004/0927/local/stories/16local.htm CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From George_Best at adp.com Wed Oct 6 09:34:28 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:34:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] fatal accident, Jackson County, Oregon Message-ID: I read about this very shortly after it happened. The guy killed was a tractor puller from California. He was loading his tractor after the tractor pull when the accident happened. >From years of attending shows, I know that the loading and unloading of tractors or engines is when the majority of the accidents occur. I've witnessed several accidents where someone could have been killed and was lucky enough to survive. The news article mentioned backing on as the safest way, but I'd say winching is even safer than backing on. The majority of the loading/unloading accidents I've seen would have been prevented or less dangerous if a winch had been used. George Best > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Bruce Younger > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:22 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] fatal accident, Jackson County, Oregon > > Tractor driver killed at Harvest Fair event By DAMIAN MANN > Mail Tribune A tractor flipped over killing the 60-year-old > driver Sunday afternoon during the Harvest Fair at the > Jackson County Expo Center, according to Sheriff's officials > and eyewitnesses. > > The name of the victim was withheld until notification of next of kin. > > "I thought we could save his life, but he was pretty badly injured," > said Carl Sieg, a member of branch 141 of the Early Day Gas > Engine and Tractor Association. > > The Medford resident was one of a group of men who helped > pull the vintage International Farmall off the victim, while > other people pulled him out. > > Sieg said he watched with some alarm as the man inched up a > steep ramp toward the trailer. > > (more) > http://www.mailtribune.com/archive/2004/0927/local/stories/16local.htm > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: > > This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the > property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential > and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or > entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the > named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you > have received this message in error, please notify the sender > at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from > your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, > forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly > prohibited. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Oct 6 12:05:32 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:05:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] fatal accident, Jackson County, Oregon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <416441FC.5070707@scrtc.com> George, I agree that winching (with a winch that has a good brake) is the best method to load. I saw a guy loading a small antique crawler on a steel plated tilt bed truck once. He evidently wanted to put it all the way to the front. It went fine until he got to the very front of the bed and it bumped the railing. It caused the tracks to spin on the steel bed and off it went on the side. It slid off and landed perfectly flat on the tracks. Luckily kind of a fluke thing for him. The guy just sat on it for a few minutes and then got off. He walked about 10 feet and colapsed. He was OK but really shook up. He name is David Bunnell (some of you may know him) and he and I always mention it when we're around one another. I had a winch latch break on me once and a 2000 lb engine on trucks rolled over both hands breaking them. Both were ina cast and it wasn't pleasant when I couldn't even go to the bathroom without help. With the old iron (and other things) you can never be too careful. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky George Best wrote: > I read about this very shortly after it happened. The guy killed was a > tractor puller from California. He was loading his tractor after the > tractor pull when the accident happened. > >>From years of attending shows, I know that the loading and unloading of > tractors or engines is when the majority of the accidents occur. I've > witnessed several accidents where someone could have been killed and was > lucky enough to survive. > > The news article mentioned backing on as the safest way, but I'd say > winching is even safer than backing on. > > The majority of the loading/unloading accidents I've seen would have > been prevented or less dangerous if a winch had been used. > > George Best > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >>Bruce Younger >>Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:22 AM >>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>Subject: [SEL] fatal accident, Jackson County, Oregon >> >>Tractor driver killed at Harvest Fair event By DAMIAN MANN >>Mail Tribune A tractor flipped over killing the 60-year-old >>driver Sunday afternoon during the Harvest Fair at the >>Jackson County Expo Center, according to Sheriff's officials >>and eyewitnesses. >> >>The name of the victim was withheld until notification of next of kin. >> >>"I thought we could save his life, but he was pretty badly injured," >>said Carl Sieg, a member of branch 141 of the Early Day Gas >>Engine and Tractor Association. >> >>The Medford resident was one of a group of men who helped >>pull the vintage International Farmall off the victim, while >>other people pulled him out. >> >>Sieg said he watched with some alarm as the man inched up a >>steep ramp toward the trailer. >> >>(more) >>http://www.mailtribune.com/archive/2004/0927/local/stories/16local.htm >> >>CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: >> >>This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the >>property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential >>and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or >>entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the >>named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you >>have received this message in error, please notify the sender >>at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from >>your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, >>forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly >>prohibited. >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Oct 6 13:54:55 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:54:55 EDT Subject: [SEL] Valve guides one more time? Message-ID: <79.358dd7f8.2e95b59f@aol.com> In a message dated 10/5/2004 8:47:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: << Once again I am considering using modern thin wall bronze guides >> Jeff, There are two good ways in my opinion. You can use modern bronze guides installed by a head rebuilding shop, having them install and do a valve job on your head. Or, you can find oversize valves/stems, and ream you guides out to fit the stem diameter and do a valve job from there. The old chevy 350 valves are great to find and keep around for some of these jobs. Some shops throw them away, and it is good to pick up a few worn valves to keep for your projects. All of the above is assuming you have no shop equipment to do the work yourself. Lots of the folks on the list are machinists have their own equipment to do work like this. The head work I have had done around here is not too expensive. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From wilson at stny.rr.com Wed Oct 6 14:27:53 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:27:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] fatal accident, Jackson County, Oregon In-Reply-To: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7025496F6@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: Or use a winch. Glenn Wilson's 2 cents -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Younger Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 11:22 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] fatal accident, Jackson County, Oregon Tractor driver killed at Harvest Fair event By DAMIAN MANN Mail Tribune A tractor flipped over killing the 60-year-old driver Sunday afternoon during the Harvest Fair at the Jackson County Expo Center, according to Sheriff's officials and eyewitnesses. The name of the victim was withheld until notification of next of kin. "I thought we could save his life, but he was pretty badly injured," said Carl Sieg, a member of branch 141 of the Early Day Gas Engine and Tractor Association. The Medford resident was one of a group of men who helped pull the vintage International Farmall off the victim, while other people pulled him out. Sieg said he watched with some alarm as the man inched up a steep ramp toward the trailer. (more) http://www.mailtribune.com/archive/2004/0927/local/stories/16local.htm CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wrl at gwltd.com Wed Oct 6 15:54:19 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:54:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Guy Message-ID: <003a01c4abf7$6eacb2a0$0800005a@davem.com> Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very avtive list too. I just brought home to engines. One is a Stover CT 1, it has a Wico ek mag on it that's not working. I hope to have this one running by the weekend. I may ask for advise on the mag, if I don't get it to fire after tonight. The other engine is a IH, not sure of the model yet. I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope to get it working so I can grind my own feed for my chickens. I plan to run it off my 48 JD B. Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Oct 6 16:18:29 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:18:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma Message-ID: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon> I got the club Mag. today and inside was some of the NHMA newsletter. I have scanned the page and will send it off list to anyone interested. However, here is one bit I want to comment on. "A small minority of members cannot understand the nessessity of fences around exhibits.I suggest these members consider that fences protect them from the public. When tools and equipment,magnetos and perhaps engines are found missing,and some person places an iron bar or their head in your flywheels, or your tractor is sabotaged, then perhaps we will hear some support for fences" This is from the president J.W. Stanley! So, not only are the public needing protection from us, WE are in need of protection from the public! All of whom,it seems are there to rob and steal, commit suicide,and vandalise all exhibits! And the wire fence is a magic way of stopping all the above occurring! I am putting this up for discussion and to show the mindset that is the NHMA. Another section. "I am concerned that tractors and vehicles are being exhibited unfenced at some rallies. in these cases THE CLUB AND EXHIBITOR ARE NOT INSURED' So, what is a static tractor or old car going to do? Explode if there is no fence? Words now fail me!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Oct 6 16:14:54 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:14:54 +0200 Subject: [SEL] New Guy References: <003a01c4abf7$6eacb2a0$0800005a@davem.com> Message-ID: <000701c4abfa$4a3382c0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Welcome aboard Dave, interesting city you live in. Visited already JD three times in the past years. Curious what IH you have. Regards,John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very avtive list too. I just brought home to engines. One is a Stover CT 1, it has a Wico ek mag on it that's not working. I hope to have this one running by the weekend. I may ask for advise on the mag, if I don't get it to fire after tonight. The other engine is a IH, not sure of the model yet. I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope to get it working so I can grind my own feed for my chickens. I plan to run it off my 48 JD B. Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Oct 6 16:24:06 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:24:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] colin Message-ID: <002601c4abfb$96bb1300$ac0d1bd3@athlon> I got this just now. I am sure she would like messages from you at this time. cmac at zip.com.au Personal Information: Address: 104 Pebbly Hill Rd. Maraylya NSW 2765 Phone: 02 45 736 276 Dear Reg, Sorry to say, but Colin passed away on Tuesday at 2am, Andrew and I where with him, and as you saw it was a welcome relief for him, he got alot worse the day after you saw him, I feel empty, sad and very very sorry. I miss him terriblely already. Made the funeral arrangements today, Colin will be buried at Caslebrook Cemetery in Rouse Hill after a service in their chapel on Monday at 2pm. Thank you kindly for seeing him the other day, I know that he did respond to your voice and knew that you where there, and thank you for your supporting words to me. I am sure we'll talk again . With gratitude, Chris. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Oct 6 18:06:00 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:06:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New Guy References: <003a01c4abf7$6eacb2a0$0800005a@davem.com> Message-ID: <003d01c4ac09$d0061840$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Dave, Welcome to the list. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Mayfield" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 4:54 PM Subject: [SEL] New Guy Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very avtive list too. I just brought home to engines. One is a Stover CT 1, it has a Wico ek mag on it that's not working. I hope to have this one running by the weekend. I may ask for advise on the mag, if I don't get it to fire after tonight. The other engine is a IH, not sure of the model yet. I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope to get it working so I can grind my own feed for my chickens. I plan to run it off my 48 JD B. Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Oct 6 18:04:49 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 21:04:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Guy In-Reply-To: <003a01c4abf7$6eacb2a0$0800005a@davem.com> References: <003a01c4abf7$6eacb2a0$0800005a@davem.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041006210028.0223e128@mail.alltel.net> At 06:54 PM 10/6/2004, you wrote: >Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very avtive list too. I >just brought home to engines. One is a Stover CT 1, it has a Wico ek mag >on it that's not working. I hope to have this one running by the weekend. >I may ask for advise on the mag, if I don't get it to fire after tonight. >The other engine is a IH, not sure of the model yet. >I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope to get it working so I >can grind my own feed for my chickens. I plan to run it off my 48 JD B. >Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. Hi Dave, Welcome to the List! Be sure to hold on to your ass because it's a rough ride at times (usually in the dead of winter when "cabin fever" sets in!) The guys and gals on this List, however, will help you in any way they can. It's really a big family with the usual "crack-pots" that can be found in any family! Dave PS, Several of the BEST ignition men in the world are on the List--so ask away! From mrengine at comcast.net Wed Oct 6 18:11:51 2004 From: mrengine at comcast.net (mrengine at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 01:11:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <100720040111.21985.416497D60009E731000055E122007503300A020709020A9D03@comcast.net> Dave welcome.This is a great list and a great bunch of folks here. Frank From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Oct 6 18:54:57 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:54:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <007701c4ac10$a652e080$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Reg, Please send me a copy. Your excerpt shows how out of control this group is and I want to read all of it. Just today I read the news of a fatality at a show. It was while loading a tractor. George Best wrote: *From years of attending shows, I know that the loading and unloading of tractors or engines is when the majority of the accidents occur. I've witnessed several accidents where someone could have been killed and was lucky enough to survive.* The fences would do what to prevent that? The NHMA spent how much on toilets? Too damn much if there is no security from vandals and the like! I'd rather wait in line to piss than have property damaged or stolen. Some person places an iron bar or their head in your flywheels My six year old grandson knows to keep a safe distance from flywheels, and would never consider placing anything near them with one exception. Some common sense, and some safety training on my part. I do let him load the Maytag flywheel with his shoe to make it pop, and always under supervision. When he tried the downhill side, I stopped him and the engine, and showed him why. His eyes got big and he got it right away. Keep at it mate. You are not alone in your feeling, and you are not giving up. More later? Probably huge flames after I read all of it. I feel your pain. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "List SEL" ; "oldengine list" Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 5:18 PM Subject: nhma >I got the club Mag. today and inside was some of the NHMA newsletter. > I have scanned the page and will send it off list to anyone interested. > However, here is one bit I want to comment on. > "A small minority of members cannot understand the nessessity of fences > around exhibits.I suggest these members consider that fences protect them > from the public. When tools and equipment,magnetos and perhaps engines are > found missing,and some person places an iron bar or their head in your > flywheels, or your tractor is sabotaged, then perhaps we will hear some > support for fences" > This is from the president J.W. Stanley! > > So, not only are the public needing protection from us, WE are in need of > protection from the public! All of whom,it seems are there to rob and > steal, commit suicide,and vandalise all exhibits! > > And the wire fence is a magic way of stopping all the above occurring! > > I am putting this up for discussion and to show the mindset that is the > NHMA. > > Another section. > "I am concerned that tractors and vehicles > are being exhibited unfenced at some rallies. in these cases THE CLUB AND > EXHIBITOR ARE NOT INSURED' > > So, what is a static tractor or old car going to do? Explode if there is > no > fence? > > Words now fail me!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > From glenn.karch at gte.net Wed Oct 6 19:35:51 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:35:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Guy References: <003a01c4abf7$6eacb2a0$0800005a@davem.com> Message-ID: <001e01c4ac16$5fcc50a0$39c9e641@oemcomputer> Welcome Dave to the list. Some of us participate and some of us lurk until something turns us on. Be assured that all the help you will ever need with engine problems is just an email away. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Mayfield" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 5:54 PM Subject: [SEL] New Guy Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very avtive list too. I just brought home to engines. One is a Stover CT 1, it has a Wico ek mag on it that's not working. I hope to have this one running by the weekend. I may ask for advise on the mag, if I don't get it to fire after tonight. The other engine is a IH, not sure of the model yet. I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope to get it working so I can grind my own feed for my chickens. I plan to run it off my 48 JD B. Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tsmith at hal-pc.org Wed Oct 6 19:31:44 2004 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:31:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] HI Message-ID: <006201c4ac15$cb10c0e0$ec87b4ce@toms> Hi list members. I'm not only new to the list but also new to Hit N Miss engines. Being a novice, I'll keep a very low profile until I can learn a few things. I recently bought a FM 3hp "Z" rust bucket that appears nearly complete but for starters has a stuck piston and who knows what the cylinder looks like (I bought it from out of town without the ability to pull the head). Anyway I'm looking forward to working with it and learning as I go. I do have a moderately equipped shop with a old WW2 ship tool room lathe and a Clausing mill, but lack much more than a casual knowledge of hit n miss iron. I'm in the Houston, TX area. Thanks, Tom From BillMil357 at aol.com Wed Oct 6 20:09:18 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:09:18 EDT Subject: [SEL] New Guy Message-ID: <11.3581e773.2e960d5e@aol.com> Hey Dave; Welcome to the list, I have been on it about 7 years and sure have learned a lot. Bill Miller Memphis, TN. From BillMil357 at aol.com Wed Oct 6 20:11:43 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:11:43 EDT Subject: [SEL] HI Message-ID: <154.407972f6.2e960def@aol.com> Hey Tom; Welcome to the List, this is the place to learn a lot about antique stationary engines. See Ya, Bill Miller. Memphis, TN. From johnwyant at revealed.net Wed Oct 6 20:34:45 2004 From: johnwyant at revealed.net (johnwyant) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:34:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Guy In-Reply-To: <003a01c4abf7$6eacb2a0$0800005a@davem.com> Message-ID: <200410070334.i973Yvkr025718@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hey Dave, Good to see You've gotten the engine bug now to. C-ya John -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Mayfield Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 5:54 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] New Guy Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very avtive list too. I just brought home to engines. One is a Stover CT 1, it has a Wico ek mag on it that's not working. I hope to have this one running by the weekend. I may ask for advise on the mag, if I don't get it to fire after tonight. The other engine is a IH, not sure of the model yet. I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope to get it working so I can grind my own feed for my chickens. I plan to run it off my 48 JD B. Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Wed Oct 6 20:22:10 2004 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:22:10 EDT Subject: [SEL] New Guy Message-ID: <64.458d6536.2e961062@aol.com> In a message dated 10/6/2004 3:55:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wrl at gwltd.com writes: > > Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. > _______________________________________________ And a Howdy to you too Dave, and welcome aboard! Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV Members of W.A.P.A, (Western Antique Power Associates) The older the violin....the sweeter the music! From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Oct 6 21:01:27 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:01:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] colin Message-ID: <20041007.002415.1180.5.jlb94@juno.com> A moment of silence - Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Oct 6 21:19:38 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:19:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] HI Message-ID: <20041007.002415.1180.11.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Tom, Welcome ! As for your shop - You're about 10 steps ahead of me with a tool room lathe. Most of my stuff is done with a Gas Wrench - BFH - Chisel & Grinder. Good to have ya aboard. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Oct 6 21:03:25 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:03:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Guy Message-ID: <20041007.002415.1180.6.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Dave, Good to have ya aboard - I have a CT-1 with WICO 1941 I think. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Oct 6 21:33:04 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:33:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] nhma Message-ID: <20041007.003308.1180.15.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Reg, I was thinking the other day at a show. Ya Know - - - Some of the BEST SHOWS - don't have any fences. Maybe - Just Maybe - A rope to keep the exhibitors in a line but that's about it. I think a single rope is plenty to keep people out. Just my 2 cents. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Thu Oct 7 02:35:52 2004 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 19:35:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Valve guides one more time? Message-ID: Hi Jeff, As John said it all depends on what equipment you have in your shop. On some smaller engines I used to take the head to a workshop that specialise in head work and had bronze inserts fitted to suit seconhand car valves that are roughly the correct size in the stem. I have a friend with a valve grinder and a proper seating set so the job is easy but otherwise the place that does the guide inserts would grind the valves and seats. On bigger engines I rheem out the guides and make valves to suit on the lathe. My mate then grinds them for me and I lap them in. It is not a particularly hard job. Hope this helps some. Good luck. Regards, Lyndsay in OZ >From: "Jeff Allen" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Subject: [SEL] Valve guides one more time? >Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:51:26 -0600 > >Hello all, > >Here's where I'm coming from guys and gals. I have never rebuilt one of >these engines, but I am documenting my rebuild. I want the information to >be accurate. Bad information is worse than none at all. I am hoping you >veterans will share your experiences when I ask questions. > >Once again I am considering using modern thin wall bronze guides, but would >love to hear how others have handled this. Knurling is not an option for me >on this, but might work for others. Any help is appreciated. > >Thanks for the responses from Montana, all two of them. Appreciated and >hoped for more. > >This is an engine forum if I remember correctly. Do I need to find a >battery forum for this question? :-) > >Regards, > >Jeff Allen >Arvada, Colorado USA > >http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ >http://frapa.us/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Find love today with ninemsn personals. Click here: http://ninemsn.match.com?referrer=hotmailtagline From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Oct 6 16:39:47 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:39:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] fatal accident, Jackson County, Oregon References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7025496F6@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: <001401c4ac52$fb30ed80$0100007f@athlon> See! No fence!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Younger" To: Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 1:21 AM Subject: [SEL] fatal accident, Jackson County, Oregon > Tractor driver killed at Harvest Fair event > By DAMIAN MANN > Mail Tribune > A tractor flipped over killing the 60-year-old driver Sunday afternoon > during the Harvest Fair at the Jackson County Expo Center, according to > Sheriff's officials and eyewitnesses. > > The name of the victim was withheld until notification of next of kin. > > "I thought we could save his life, but he was pretty badly injured," > said Carl Sieg, a member of branch 141 of the Early Day Gas Engine and > Tractor Association. > > The Medford resident was one of a group of men who helped pull the > vintage International Farmall off the victim, while other people pulled > him out. > > Sieg said he watched with some alarm as the man inched up a steep ramp > toward the trailer. > > (more) > http://www.mailtribune.com/archive/2004/0927/local/stories/16local.htm From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Oct 7 03:25:27 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:25:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] fatal accident, Jackson County, Oregon In-Reply-To: <416441FC.5070707@scrtc.com> References: <416441FC.5070707@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041007062433.02301950@mail.alltel.net> > I had a winch latch break on me once and a 2000 lb engine on trucks > rolled over both hands breaking them. Both were ina cast and it wasn't > pleasant when I couldn't even go to the bathroom without help. >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, Ky It was tough opening the bathroom door? Dave From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Oct 7 04:03:11 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 11:03:11 +0000 Subject: [SEL] New Guy Message-ID: <100720041103.6956.7967@mchsi.com> Hi Dave, Welcome to our great family of fun and knowledge. Were you at the R&V reunion last fall? Iam the unoffical registry for Stover engines and if you send me your serial number beglad to research some history in the orginal sales/shipping records for you. Curt Andree McConnell,Ill. > Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very avtive list too. I just > brought home to engines. One is a Stover CT 1, it has a Wico ek mag on it that's > not working. I hope to have this one running by the weekend. I may ask for > advise on the mag, if I don't get it to fire after tonight. The other engine is > a IH, not sure of the model yet. > I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope to get it working so I can > grind my own feed for my chickens. I plan to run it off my 48 JD B. > > Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jnyost at yahoo.com Thu Oct 7 04:05:26 2004 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 04:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] New Guy In-Reply-To: <003a01c4abf7$6eacb2a0$0800005a@davem.com> Message-ID: <20041007110526.74092.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Dave, Welcome to the list. This list is full of knowledge. Ask any question and you will get an answer. Have fun with the list. Jim --- Dave Mayfield wrote: > Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very > avtive list too. I just brought home to engines. One > is a Stover CT 1, it has a Wico ek mag on it that's > not working. I hope to have this one running by the > weekend. I may ask for advise on the mag, if I don't > get it to fire after tonight. The other engine is a > IH, not sure of the model yet. > I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope > to get it working so I can grind my own feed for my > chickens. I plan to run it off my 48 JD B. > > Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you > all. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Ken.Erman at mastercam.com Thu Oct 7 04:48:39 2004 From: Ken.Erman at mastercam.com (Ken Erman) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:48:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Gib Key removal Message-ID: <45B673EB183FDB4EBEEE0F7E29E387D8F51279@r2.cncsoftware.com> Rick, I tried using a slide hammer on one for days with lots of heat and cussing and got no where. Then i welded a bolt to the end and used a pipe for a puller and it worked like a charm, but not without some serious pulling on a 1' long 1/2" drive socket. Here is a link to how i did it. http://community.webshots.com/album/81060592eqzEHv Ken Erman Windsor, CT. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at mastercam.com. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by McAfee VirusScan for the presence of computer viruses. CNC Software, Inc. www.mastercam.com ********************************************************************** From marvhed at ecenet.com Thu Oct 7 05:05:35 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:05:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] November GEM In-Reply-To: <416441FC.5070707@scrtc.com> References: <416441FC.5070707@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <2308.199.62.0.252.1097150735.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Tommy, good lookin cover pic and article!! thanks, marv in minn From wrl at gwltd.com Thu Oct 7 05:06:41 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:06:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Guy References: <100720041103.6956.7967@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <000e01c4ac66$20844ec0$648e99a6@davem.com> I Curt, that would be great. The number is 1A212340. I got the mag fixed last night, althought it a mess I may order some new parts for it and make it like new. I then put a few drops of gas in the intake, and it fired and ran about five revs, till the fuel ran out. I hope to get the fuel line fixed tonight and have it really running. Thanks for any info you can provideon this engine. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 6:03 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Guy > Hi Dave, > Welcome to our great family of fun and knowledge. Were you at the R&V reunion > last fall? Iam the unoffical registry for Stover engines and if you send me > your serial number beglad to research some history in the orginal > sales/shipping records for you. > Curt Andree > McConnell,Ill. > > Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very avtive list too. I just > > brought home to engines. One is a Stover CT 1, it has a Wico ek mag on it that's > > not working. I hope to have this one running by the weekend. I may ask for > > advise on the mag, if I don't get it to fire after tonight. The other engine is > > a IH, not sure of the model yet. > > I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope to get it working so I can > > grind my own feed for my chickens. I plan to run it off my 48 JD B. > > > > Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From wrl at gwltd.com Thu Oct 7 05:09:41 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:09:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Guy References: <200410070334.i973Yvkr025718@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <002601c4ac66$8948ae60$648e99a6@davem.com> Hi John, Yes the alpha show gave me the bug, so I called a buddie of mine that has three of everything god invented, and he sold me some. I should have the stover running tonight. See you at the next meeting, I hope to be there. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "johnwyant" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:34 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] New Guy > Hey Dave, Good to see You've gotten the engine bug now to. C-ya John > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Mayfield > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 5:54 PM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] New Guy > > Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very avtive list too. I just > brought home to engines. One is a Stover CT 1, it has a Wico ek mag on it > that's not working. I hope to have this one running by the weekend. I may > ask for advise on the mag, if I don't get it to fire after tonight. The > other engine is a IH, not sure of the model yet. > I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope to get it working so I > can grind my own feed for my chickens. I plan to run it off my 48 JD B. > > Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From wrl at gwltd.com Thu Oct 7 05:17:19 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:17:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Guy References: <003a01c4abf7$6eacb2a0$0800005a@davem.com> <000701c4abfa$4a3382c0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <005101c4ac67$99cbdd60$648e99a6@davem.com> Hello John, I really don't know. I am sure there are markings on it, but I have not really had time to look it over. I was not all that interested in it, but the guy sold it so cheep that I thought I had better bring it home. It's not very big 1/2 I would guess. I hope to find out for sure very soon. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Guy > Welcome aboard Dave, interesting city you live in. Visited > already JD three times in the past years. > Curious what IH you have. > > Regards,John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very avtive list too. I just brought home to engines. One is a Stover CT 1, it has > a Wico ek mag on it that's not working. I hope to have this one running by the weekend. I may ask for advise on the mag, if I > don't get it to fire after tonight. The other engine is a IH, not sure of the model yet. > I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope to get it working so I can grind my own feed for my chickens. I plan to run it > off my 48 JD B. > > Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 7 05:49:33 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:49:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] HI References: <006201c4ac15$cb10c0e0$ec87b4ce@toms> Message-ID: <003701c4ac6c$18f6f620$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> I do have a moderately equipped shop with a old WW2 ship tool room lathe and a Clausing mill, but lack much more than a casual knowledge of hit n miss iron. I'm in the Houston, TX area. >>>>>>> Have you run into subthicket dwellers Mr Carll or Mr Otto just down the coast ? Chuck Balyeat From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Oct 7 05:51:16 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 06:51:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] HI References: <006201c4ac15$cb10c0e0$ec87b4ce@toms> Message-ID: A Big Sky welcome to Dave and Tom!!! RickinMt. From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu Oct 7 06:17:28 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 14:17:28 +0100 Subject: [SEL] New Guy References: <20041007110526.74092.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <416541E7.FF5F6D2D@insulate.co.uk> James Yost wrote: > Welcome to the list. This list is full of knowledge. Well, it's certainly full of SOMETHING .... > > Ask any question and you will get an answer. Might not be relevant to the question though! Welcome to the new guys! Dolly Official SEL Scribe Official SEL Flame Mistress -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Oct 7 06:46:25 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:46:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] New Guy Message-ID: <100720041346.65.1c65@mchsi.com> Dave, Re-exam your serial number as that should be "TA" in front of number instead of "1A". Get back to you soon with your info. Curt > I Curt, that would be great. The number is 1A212340. I got the mag fixed > last night, althought it a mess I may order some new parts for it and make > it like new. I then put a few drops of gas in the intake, and it fired and > ran about five revs, till the fuel ran out. I hope to get the fuel line > fixed tonight and have it really running. Thanks for any info you can > provideon this engine. > > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 6:03 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Guy > > > > Hi Dave, > > Welcome to our great family of fun and knowledge. Were you at the R&V > reunion > > last fall? Iam the unoffical registry for Stover engines and if you send > me > > your serial number beglad to research some history in the orginal > > sales/shipping records for you. > > Curt Andree > > McConnell,Ill. > > > Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very avtive list too. I > just > > > brought home to engines. One is a Stover CT 1, it has a Wico ek mag on > it that's > > > not working. I hope to have this one running by the weekend. I may ask > for > > > advise on the mag, if I don't get it to fire after tonight. The other > engine is > > > a IH, not sure of the model yet. > > > I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope to get it working so > I can > > > grind my own feed for my chickens. I plan to run it off my 48 JD B. > > > > > > Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From asouth at strato.net Thu Oct 7 07:58:30 2004 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:58:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] hi 2 the new guys Message-ID: <009801c4ac7e$1c974930$ab00a8c0@Arthur> Hello Tom & Dave, Welcome to the list. I'm a day late and a dollar short reading my mail. Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From wrl at gwltd.com Thu Oct 7 14:03:29 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:03:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Guy References: <100720041346.65.1c65@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <002301c4acb1$1c6e5c40$378d99a6@davem.com> I am sure you are right, I took that number this morning from a rubbin of the name plate that I made the other night. You know lay a paper on the tag and rub it with a pencil, will the rubin I made must has missed the TA. I did get it running today! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Guy > Dave, > Re-exam your serial number as that should be "TA" in front of number instead > of "1A". Get back to you soon with your info. > Curt > > I Curt, that would be great. The number is 1A212340. I got the mag fixed > > last night, althought it a mess I may order some new parts for it and make > > it like new. I then put a few drops of gas in the intake, and it fired and > > ran about five revs, till the fuel ran out. I hope to get the fuel line > > fixed tonight and have it really running. Thanks for any info you can > > provideon this engine. > > > > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 6:03 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Guy > > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > Welcome to our great family of fun and knowledge. Were you at the R&V > > reunion > > > last fall? Iam the unoffical registry for Stover engines and if you send > > me > > > your serial number beglad to research some history in the orginal > > > sales/shipping records for you. > > > Curt Andree > > > McConnell,Ill. > > > > Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very avtive list too. I > > just > > > > brought home to engines. One is a Stover CT 1, it has a Wico ek mag on > > it that's > > > > not working. I hope to have this one running by the weekend. I may ask > > for > > > > advise on the mag, if I don't get it to fire after tonight. The other > > engine is > > > > a IH, not sure of the model yet. > > > > I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope to get it working so > > I can > > > > grind my own feed for my chickens. I plan to run it off my 48 JD B. > > > > > > > > Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SEL mailing list > > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From wrl at gwltd.com Thu Oct 7 14:09:28 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:09:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover Ct 1 Message-ID: <002e01c4acb1$f32084c0$378d99a6@davem.com> Update, well good news. I got the mag to fire after much work, it was/is really a mess. I plan to pull it back off and rebuild it. I bought this engine from a friend and it had not been run for over ten years. I pulled the gas tank off to flush it, as I was sure it was full of crap. Well the tank was in really bab shape holes, cracks, and so on. So after a time with my tourch and some brass, it is now is ok shape. The fule line was also cracked, made a new one. Well make a long story short it fired up and ran today. So tonight my brother and I will stand there and watch it run, and drink a few beers. Sounds like fun hun? One more saved. Dave. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Oct 7 15:01:21 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 18:01:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] HI In-Reply-To: References: <006201c4ac15$cb10c0e0$ec87b4ce@toms> Message-ID: <4165BCB1.10605@scrtc.com> Dave and Tom, Welcome to the SEL. Hope to see ya at some shows. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Oct 7 15:03:10 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 18:03:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] fatal accident, Jackson County, Oregon In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041007062433.02301950@mail.alltel.net> References: <416441FC.5070707@scrtc.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041007062433.02301950@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4165BD1E.8060800@scrtc.com> Yeah Dave, sort of hard to "grab the knob". Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> I had a winch latch break on me once and a 2000 lb engine on trucks >> rolled over both hands breaking them. Both were ina cast and it >> wasn't pleasant when I couldn't even go to the bathroom without help. >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, Ky > > > It was tough opening the bathroom door? > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Thu Oct 7 14:58:57 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Stover Ct 1 In-Reply-To: <002e01c4acb1$f32084c0$378d99a6@davem.com> Message-ID: <20041007215857.38123.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Dave Put that engine in the truck and bring it ~ 1 hour NE to a small show in Malta IL. (just west of DeKalb) this saturday or sunday... It is held at an apple orchard and is a fun time. http://www.jonamacorchard.com Pics from last years show: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2003Jonomac.htm Steve Barr --- Dave Mayfield wrote: Update, well good news. I got the mag to fire after much work, it was/is really a mess. I plan to pull it back off and rebuild it. I bought this engine from a friend and it had not been run for over ten years. I pulled the gas tank off to flush it, as I was sure it was full of crap. Well the tank was in really bab shape holes, cracks, and so on. So after a time with my tourch and some brass, it is now is ok shape. The fule line was also cracked, made a new one. Well make a long story short it fired up and ran today. So tonight my brother and I will stand there and watch it run, and drink a few beers. Sounds like fun hun? One more saved. Dave. ===== ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Oct 7 16:34:02 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:34:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gib Key removal References: <24001.199.62.0.252.1097073310.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: Thanks Marv and Ray...your advise will be well taken. Catcha later, Rick From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Oct 7 16:37:17 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:37:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" References: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable> Message-ID: There ya go Ray. This 1.5 hp has what looks like old style zerk grease gun fittings. They look OEM and according to John H., they did come with zerks. John, appreciate the time and trouble spent coming up with and editing the pix's. Thanks much and I'm sure Cork will feel the same way. Take Care Guys, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > The needles on mine are brass. Can it be drilled out? All the engines I > have > seen have cups on the mains. Mine even has a grease cup to lubricate the > camshaft where it exits the side plate. There was no bush or bearing in > there but as it was worn I machined it and made a bronze bearing for it. > > > Ray Freeman > Portable Line Boring > http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > plb at plb.iinet.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:18 PM > Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > > > > For my machinist friend Corky, alias Spud.....soon to join the SEL. > > > > On his 1.5hp low tension IHC "M", the water needle valve is broke off > > with half of it still inside the mixer. Any suggestions on how to get > > it > > out? He wants it original. > > Also were zerk grease fittings OEM on the mains? > > > > We looked at a greased up cc breather yesterday and now understand why > > they're so pricy. > > > > Does anyone have a picture of the water injection "Check valve" affair > > in > > the mixer? > > > > > > Thanks much gang. > > > > RickinMt. > > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Oct 7 18:40:34 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 19:40:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Valve guides one more time? References: <014a01c4ab3e$9cb8df20$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <002001c4ab6f$83bf2c00$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <003e01c4acd7$ce99ab60$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> John and list, Sorry for the delay. I have no valve equipment. I do have a drill press to use as Rob mentioned. I think I can come up with a seat grinder, and both valves will be replaced, so grinding them won't be a concern. Lapp em in after the seats are done and should be a done deal. I'll use this response to send a great big THANK YOU to all that have answered both on and off the list. Many great ideas on how to handle head repair, and I will include a summary in my restoration project. So far I don't have much online, but I do have the engine almost down and lot's of pictures. More fun working on it then putting it online. Tonight's lesson. Gib keys. Score: Gib key 1, Jeff 0, and that ain't the broken one. :-) Thanks all, Jeff Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Valve guides one more time? > > Hi Jeff, what equipment do you have to repair valve > guides, seats etc? > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > Once again I am considering using modern thin wall bronze guides, but > would love to hear how others have handled this. Knurling is > not an option for me on this, but might work for others. Any help is > appreciated. > > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From wrl at gwltd.com Thu Oct 7 18:35:18 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:35:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover Ct 1 References: <20041007215857.38123.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001301c4acd7$165a9dc0$de8e99a6@davem.com> Hi Steve, I would love to but no time right now. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover Ct 1 > Dave > > Put that engine in the truck and bring it ~ 1 hour NE to a small show in > Malta IL. (just west of DeKalb) this saturday or sunday... It is held at > an apple orchard and is a fun time. http://www.jonamacorchard.com > > Pics from last years show: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2003Jonomac.htm > > Steve Barr > > --- Dave Mayfield wrote: > > Update, well good news. I got the mag to fire after much work, it was/is > really a mess. I plan to pull it back off and rebuild it. I bought this > engine from a friend and it had not been run for over ten years. I pulled > the gas tank off to flush it, as I was sure it was full of crap. > Well the tank was in really bab shape holes, cracks, and so on. So after > a time with my tourch and some brass, it is now is ok shape. > > The fule line was also cracked, made a new one. Well make a long story > short it fired up and ran today. So tonight my brother and I will stand > there and watch it run, and drink a few beers. Sounds like fun hun? > > One more saved. > > Dave. > > ===== > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr > stevebarr at ameritech.net > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Oct 7 18:44:27 2004 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:44:27 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" References: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable> Message-ID: <040201c4acd8$5949d1e0$0100a8c0@Portable> Was it the early M's with Zerks?Mine is 1926 and the cups have IHC symbols stamped on the caps. Interesting info,thanks Ray Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > There ya go Ray. This 1.5 hp has what looks like old style zerk grease > gun fittings. They look OEM and according to John H., they did come with > zerks. > > John, appreciate the time and trouble spent coming up with and editing > the pix's. Thanks much and I'm sure Cork will feel the same way. > > Take Care Guys, > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:34 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > > >> The needles on mine are brass. Can it be drilled out? All the engines I >> have >> seen have cups on the mains. Mine even has a grease cup to lubricate the >> camshaft where it exits the side plate. There was no bush or bearing in >> there but as it was worn I machined it and made a bronze bearing for it. >> >> >> Ray Freeman >> Portable Line Boring >> http://www.plb.iinet.net.au >> plb at plb.iinet.net.au >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Richard Strobel" >> To: "SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:18 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" >> >> >> > For my machinist friend Corky, alias Spud.....soon to join the SEL. >> > >> > On his 1.5hp low tension IHC "M", the water needle valve is broke off >> > with half of it still inside the mixer. Any suggestions on how to get >> > it >> > out? He wants it original. >> > Also were zerk grease fittings OEM on the mains? >> > >> > We looked at a greased up cc breather yesterday and now understand why >> > they're so pricy. >> > >> > Does anyone have a picture of the water injection "Check valve" affair >> > in >> > the mixer? >> > >> > >> > Thanks much gang. >> > >> > RickinMt. >> > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From wrl at gwltd.com Thu Oct 7 18:46:24 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:46:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mag Help Message-ID: <001e01c4acd8$a4dee140$de8e99a6@davem.com> Well, I said eariler that I had the Stover Ct 1 running and I did. I got home tonight and turned it over several times and it fired up and ran for awhile till, I shut it off, then I wanted to seei f it would start again. It would not. It is raining out and damp air tonight, not sure if that would matter any or not. Here is my question. It seems to me that the mag is not real hot. It's Wico EK. It has the original coils. But seems weak to me. The magnets seem weak, when I place a small end wrench on the magnets I can feel the pull, but it's weak. I have magnets on my Fridge that seem stronger. Any ideas? Dave From buggy1914 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 7 18:58:10 2004 From: buggy1914 at hotmail.com (Missy Holland) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 21:58:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Travelers to Cotton Ginning Days Message-ID: Hi all, Just a quick note to let you know that Pennsylvania travelers Dave and Arnie made it to the Cotton Ginnings Days show ground this afternoon. Dave set his big Domestic up and Missy was the first to "push his button". Actually she pushed it many times because Dave had a little trouble getting it going. Well you know, old age and all....we'll give him a break. Arnie unloaded Fat Bastard and a beautiful Bamford. At dark we took them over to experience local Gaston County cuisine. A genuine fish camp. Fish camps and BBQ are what the area is renound for. Last we saw them they were headed the wrong way back up hwy 321 this evening. 'Imagine they'll figure it out soon enough and turn around to get to their Super 8. Our son Devin is really bummed because he has to go to school tomorrow while we play at the show grounds all day. But come 3:00 he'll be free and can join in the fun. Just hope those teachers don't give him home work this weekend! Curt & Missy _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From avanti_64 at juno.com Thu Oct 7 18:48:06 2004 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (Joe Kelley) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:48:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nelson Brothers Jumbo Message-ID: <20041007.215555.-1031035.0.avanti_64@juno.com> Thanks, Steve. On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 11:35:09 -0400 "Steve Royster" writes: > Hi Joe, I don't have a picture here with me but the return spring > does fit > into the big spoon on the rocker arm on my Nelson Bros. > Steve Royster > > >From: Joe Kelley > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > > >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >Subject: [SEL] Nelson Brothers Jumbo > >Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 19:29:47 -0400 > > > >Hi gang, I am restoring a Nelson Bros 3 hp Jumbo (which I will > sell). Can > >anyone tell me or have a picture of the return spring that pushes > on the > >rocker arm which in turn pushes the pushrod back onto the cam gear? > I > >think this may fit into the big "spoon" part of the rocker arm. > Thanks > >Joe Kelley > >You can send the pic to jfk52 at tds.net > > > >________________________________________________________________ > >Get your name as your email address. > >Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more > >Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from > McAfee? > Security. > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Oct 7 19:18:13 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:18:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mag Help References: <001e01c4acd8$a4dee140$de8e99a6@davem.com> Message-ID: <000a01c4acdd$1137dc80$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Dave, My experience is that the magnets don't have much pull when in the mag. This is from the Websters I've played with. Take the magnet out and it should have good pull on a wrench. Hope this helps. Jeff Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Mayfield" To: Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 7:46 PM Subject: [SEL] Mag Help Well, I said eariler that I had the Stover Ct 1 running and I did. I got home tonight and turned it over several times and it fired up and ran for awhile till, I shut it off, then I wanted to seei f it would start again. It would not. It is raining out and damp air tonight, not sure if that would matter any or not. Here is my question. It seems to me that the mag is not real hot. It's Wico EK. It has the original coils. But seems weak to me. The magnets seem weak, when I place a small end wrench on the magnets I can feel the pull, but it's weak. I have magnets on my Fridge that seem stronger. Any ideas? Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Thu Oct 7 19:45:10 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:45:10 EDT Subject: [SEL] Mag Help Message-ID: <1e.35bd5c4e.2e975936@aol.com> Hi List, Here is a site which shows how to test a Wico EK off the engine. WICO Magneto Tester Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From rdi at rochester.rr.com Thu Oct 7 15:34:22 2004 From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:34:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How to lube old engines? Message-ID: <000a01c4acbd$cb41cca0$ecb4a918@rochester.rr.com> Howdy, everybody! I've just RE-joined the list; the last time I was here was when it was at indiana.edu. After years of looking, I've finally found my first stationary engine to fix up. I've been looking forward to this for a long time. I've got a fairly good idea how things work, but the little details take a while to figure out, as some things are somewhat old & nearly forgotten technology. I've now got a hit-and-miss Taylor Vacuum Engine, Type C, 2HP. It has sparkplug ignition with a Wico EK magneto (type 2 drive), and open crankcase. It's a green machine. :-) I'm slowly going over the engine, trying to understand thoroughly what everything does before I attempt to start it. I've got several questions on lubrication that I can't seem to find the answers to (I've already searched the SEL archives). 1) What weight of motor oil should be used in the piston's drip oiler (in moderate weather)? Perhaps something like straight 30 weight Quaker State? Is a multigrade viscosity, like 10w30 ok? I presume this same weight oil is used to oil other parts of the engine before starting, too, using an oilcan. -I already know that on this particular type of engine you need to mix oil with the gas in order to properly lube the innermost part of the piston; I'm planning on using modern 2 cycle oil mixed 16:1. 2) On top of the governor shaft, there's a small pinky-sized tube with a flap-cap on it. You can see the shiny shaft down at the bottom of the tube. I presume the tube is for oil (not grease). How do I use this? Do I put just a *few drops* of (the same) oil in, OR does it get *filled up* with oil? (I'm not sure why this one component alone has this tube.) 3) I've got 3 grease cups. I've read that the bearing grease cups get filled with (what else) "cup grease", but what's the modern equivalent of cup grease? Perhaps something like wheel bearing grease, e.g. Kendall Super Blu High Temp EP grease? 4) How do you USE the grease cups themselves during normal operation? I presume I'll want to clean out the old grease somehow, then fill it (how full?) with fresh grease... then what? How much do I tighten the caps down initially? An old Hercules manual I found says "Watch the grease closely, give them a quarter of a turn each time you start the engine". Is this all the follow up attention it really needs- a quarter turn before starting? 5) What oil should be used for the magneto? Maybe light machine oil like 3-in-1 or Singer sewing machine oil? Thanks a lot in advance, Rick I. near Rochester, NY From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Oct 7 23:36:06 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:36:06 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M"/now grease cups. References: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable> Message-ID: <000f01c4ad01$17743200$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Rick and Ray, I think I misunderstand you about the grease fittings, all the M's have grease cups. I read over that "zerk" it's a strange word for me. See the specs at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/greasecups.jpg Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > There ya go Ray. This 1.5 hp has what looks like old style zerk grease gun > fittings. They look OEM and according to John H., they did come with zerks. > > John, appreciate the time and trouble spent coming up with and editing the > pix's. Thanks much and I'm sure Cork will feel the same way. > > Take Care Guys, > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:34 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > > > > The needles on mine are brass. Can it be drilled out? All the engines I > > have > > seen have cups on the mains. Mine even has a grease cup to lubricate the > > camshaft where it exits the side plate. There was no bush or bearing in > > there but as it was worn I machined it and made a bronze bearing for it. > > > > > > Ray Freeman > > Portable Line Boring > > http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > > plb at plb.iinet.net.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Strobel" > > To: "SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:18 PM > > Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > > > > > > > For my machinist friend Corky, alias Spud.....soon to join the SEL. > > > > > > On his 1.5hp low tension IHC "M", the water needle valve is broke off > > > with half of it still inside the mixer. Any suggestions on how to get > > > it > > > out? He wants it original. > > > Also were zerk grease fittings OEM on the mains? > > > > > > We looked at a greased up cc breather yesterday and now understand why > > > they're so pricy. > > > > > > Does anyone have a picture of the water injection "Check valve" affair > > > in > > > the mixer? > > > > > > > > > Thanks much gang. > > > > > > RickinMt. > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Oct 7 23:39:03 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:39:03 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" References: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable> <040201c4acd8$5949d1e0$0100a8c0@Portable> Message-ID: <001d01c4ad01$809c0e60$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Ray, you have the right ones, these are worth 4 times the normal ones. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Was it the early M's with Zerks?Mine is 1926 and the cups have IHC symbols > stamped on the caps. Interesting info,thanks > > Ray From oldengin at udata.com Fri Oct 8 04:37:41 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 07:37:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How to lube old engines? In-Reply-To: <000a01c4acbd$cb41cca0$ecb4a918@rochester.rr.com> References: <000a01c4acbd$cb41cca0$ecb4a918@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <41667C05.2080203@udata.com> Rick I. wrote: >Howdy, everybody! > >I've just RE-joined the list; the last time I was here was when it was at >indiana.edu. >After years of looking, I've finally found my >first stationary engine to fix up. I've been looking forward to this for a >long time. I've got a fairly good idea how things work, but the >little details take a while to figure out, as some things are somewhat old & >nearly forgotten technology. > >I've now got a hit-and-miss Taylor Vacuum Engine, Type C, 2HP. It has >sparkplug ignition with a Wico EK magneto (type 2 drive), and open >crankcase. It's a green machine. :-) > >I'm slowly going over the engine, trying to understand thoroughly what >everything does before I attempt to start it. > >I've got several questions on lubrication that I can't seem to find the >answers to (I've already searched the SEL archives). > >1) What weight of motor oil should be used in the piston's drip oiler (in >moderate weather)? Perhaps something like straight 30 weight Quaker State? >Is a multigrade viscosity, like 10w30 ok? I presume this same weight oil is >used to oil other parts of the engine before starting, too, using an >oilcan. >-I already know that on this particular type of engine you need to >mix oil with the gas in order to properly lube the innermost part of the >piston; I'm planning on using modern 2 cycle oil mixed 16:1. > Gday First time use what oil you have, if it is cool then use something a little thinner, like 20 weight or 30 weight. You engin is a four stroke model and you should not need two cycle oil in the fuel?????????? Your piston will get it's oil, Oh and set the drip rate at about one every 10-15 seconds > >2) On top of the governor shaft, there's a small pinky-sized tube with a >flap-cap on it. You can see the shiny shaft down at the bottom of the tube. >I presume the tube is for oil (not grease). How do I use this? Do I put >just a *few drops* of >(the same) oil in, OR does it get *filled up* with oil? (I'm not sure why >this one >component alone has this tube.) > > Your choice.. Do you want to keep it clean or do you like the looks of an oily engin? A drop or two should do fine >3) I've got 3 grease cups. I've read that the bearing grease cups get >filled with (what else) "cup grease", but what's the modern equivalent of >cup >grease? Perhaps something like wheel bearing grease, e.g. Kendall Super Blu >High Temp EP grease? > > > Grease is grease in todays world, BUT I would probably not use synthetic in her >4) How do you USE the grease cups themselves during normal operation? I >presume I'll want to clean >out the old grease somehow, then fill it (how full?) with fresh grease... >then >what? How much do I tighten the caps down initially? An old Hercules >manual I found says "Watch the grease closely, give them a quarter of a turn >each time you start the engine". Is this all the follow up attention it >really needs- a quarter turn before starting? > Use your caps as you do the oiler, do you like your engin greasy or do you want to keep her a little cleaner????? 1/4 is plenty and if the grease is hard or grittty then clean out the caps and fill them with a putty knife or screwdriver andf put them on simple here... > >5) What oil should be used for the magneto? Maybe light machine oil like >3-in-1 or Singer sewing machine oil? > Do NOT oil the mag!!!!!!!!!!!! Ted or Bill will tell you more here... bad bad idea the oil with electrical parts Just my ideas on how the set her up. Let us know when you get her running. > >Thanks a lot in advance, > >Rick I. near Rochester, NY > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From marvhed at ecenet.com Fri Oct 8 04:56:04 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 06:56:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] IHC "M" - now grease cups. In-Reply-To: <000f01c4ad01$17743200$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> References: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable> <000f01c4ad01$17743200$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <48341.199.62.0.252.1097236564.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> i believe the M engines all origionally came with grease cups on the mains, cam, and the end of the crank for the connecting rod(with a left hand thread cap so it could be tightned while the engine was running). the "zerk" fittings for a grease gun were a common farm modification to engines in later years after other machinery started using them. it was easier and cleaner to grab the grease gun than to take apart and repack the cups. marv in minn > Rick and Ray, I think I misunderstand you about the grease fittings, > all the M's have grease cups. I read over that "zerk" it's a strange > word for me. > See the specs at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/greasecups.jpg > > Regards, > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > >> There ya go Ray. This 1.5 hp has what looks like old style zerk grease >> gun >> fittings. They look OEM and according to John H., they did come with >> zerks. >> >> John, appreciate the time and trouble spent coming up with and editing >> the >> pix's. Thanks much and I'm sure Cork will feel the same way. >> >> Take Care Guys, >> Rick >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:34 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" >> >> >> > The needles on mine are brass. Can it be drilled out? All the engines >> I >> > have >> > seen have cups on the mains. Mine even has a grease cup to lubricate >> the >> > camshaft where it exits the side plate. There was no bush or bearing >> in >> > there but as it was worn I machined it and made a bronze bearing for >> it. >> > >> > >> > Ray Freeman >> > Portable Line Boring >> > http://www.plb.iinet.net.au >> > plb at plb.iinet.net.au >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Richard Strobel" >> > To: "SEL email discussion list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:18 PM >> > Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" >> > >> > >> > > For my machinist friend Corky, alias Spud.....soon to join the SEL. >> > > >> > > On his 1.5hp low tension IHC "M", the water needle valve is broke >> off >> > > with half of it still inside the mixer. Any suggestions on how to >> get >> > > it >> > > out? He wants it original. >> > > Also were zerk grease fittings OEM on the mains? >> > > >> > > We looked at a greased up cc breather yesterday and now understand >> why >> > > they're so pricy. >> > > >> > > Does anyone have a picture of the water injection "Check valve" >> affair >> > > in >> > > the mixer? >> > > >> > > >> > > Thanks much gang. >> > > >> > > RickinMt. >> > > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > SEL mailing list >> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 8 05:41:52 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 06:41:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Gib Key removal References: <45B673EB183FDB4EBEEE0F7E29E387D8F51279@r2.cncsoftware.com> Message-ID: I believe I remember seeing that pipe puller trick. Something about the physics of the slide hammer that I don't understand. Possibly pushing on the flywheel/gear and pulling on the gib has something to do with it. Thanks Ken RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Erman" To: Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 5:48 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Gib Key removal Rick, I tried using a slide hammer on one for days with lots of heat and cussing and got no where. Then i welded a bolt to the end and used a pipe for a puller and it worked like a charm, but not without some serious pulling on a 1' long 1/2" drive socket. Here is a link to how i did it. http://community.webshots.com/album/81060592eqzEHv Ken Erman Windsor, CT. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at mastercam.com. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by McAfee VirusScan for the presence of computer viruses. CNC Software, Inc. www.mastercam.com ********************************************************************** _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 8 05:46:34 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 06:46:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" References: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable> <040201c4acd8$5949d1e0$0100a8c0@Portable> Message-ID: 1921 Ray. We see no place to lube the camshaft. Just zerks on the mains and cs. Take Care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > Was it the early M's with Zerks?Mine is 1926 and the cups have IHC symbols > stamped on the caps. Interesting info,thanks > > Ray > > Portable Line Boring > http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > plb at plb.iinet.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:37 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > > > > There ya go Ray. This 1.5 hp has what looks like old style zerk grease > > gun fittings. They look OEM and according to John H., they did come > > with > > zerks. > > > > John, appreciate the time and trouble spent coming up with and editing > > the pix's. Thanks much and I'm sure Cork will feel the same way. > > > > Take Care Guys, > > Rick > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:34 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > > > > > >> The needles on mine are brass. Can it be drilled out? All the engines I > >> have > >> seen have cups on the mains. Mine even has a grease cup to lubricate > >> the > >> camshaft where it exits the side plate. There was no bush or bearing in > >> there but as it was worn I machined it and made a bronze bearing for > >> it. > >> > >> > >> Ray Freeman > >> Portable Line Boring > >> http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > >> plb at plb.iinet.net.au > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Richard Strobel" > >> To: "SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:18 PM > >> Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > >> > >> > >> > For my machinist friend Corky, alias Spud.....soon to join the SEL. > >> > > >> > On his 1.5hp low tension IHC "M", the water needle valve is broke > >> > off > >> > with half of it still inside the mixer. Any suggestions on how to > >> > get > >> > it > >> > out? He wants it original. > >> > Also were zerk grease fittings OEM on the mains? > >> > > >> > We looked at a greased up cc breather yesterday and now understand > >> > why > >> > they're so pricy. > >> > > >> > Does anyone have a picture of the water injection "Check valve" > >> > affair > >> > in > >> > the mixer? > >> > > >> > > >> > Thanks much gang. > >> > > >> > RickinMt. > >> > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 8 05:54:46 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 06:54:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M"/now grease cups. References: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable> <000f01c4ad01$17743200$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Ok great John. I've let Corky know. Don't know where zerk came from. Possibly another term might be alemite (sp) fitting but believe that's different from a zerk. Zerks your modern day grease gun fitting used on machinery and vehicles. Thanks John...we've seen the IHC logo on a 3hp not too far away. later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M"/now grease cups. > Rick and Ray, I think I misunderstand you about the grease fittings, > all the M's have grease cups. I read over that "zerk" it's a strange > word for me. > See the specs at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/greasecups.jpg > > Regards, > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > There ya go Ray. This 1.5 hp has what looks like old style zerk grease > > gun > > fittings. They look OEM and according to John H., they did come with > > zerks. > > > > John, appreciate the time and trouble spent coming up with and editing > > the > > pix's. Thanks much and I'm sure Cork will feel the same way. > > > > Take Care Guys, > > Rick > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:34 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > > > > > > > The needles on mine are brass. Can it be drilled out? All the engines > > > I > > > have > > > seen have cups on the mains. Mine even has a grease cup to lubricate > > > the > > > camshaft where it exits the side plate. There was no bush or bearing > > > in > > > there but as it was worn I machined it and made a bronze bearing for > > > it. > > > > > > > > > Ray Freeman > > > Portable Line Boring > > > http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > > > plb at plb.iinet.net.au > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Richard Strobel" > > > To: "SEL email discussion list" > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:18 PM > > > Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > > > > > > > > > > For my machinist friend Corky, alias Spud.....soon to join the SEL. > > > > > > > > On his 1.5hp low tension IHC "M", the water needle valve is broke > > > > off > > > > with half of it still inside the mixer. Any suggestions on how to > > > > get > > > > it > > > > out? He wants it original. > > > > Also were zerk grease fittings OEM on the mains? > > > > > > > > We looked at a greased up cc breather yesterday and now understand > > > > why > > > > they're so pricy. > > > > > > > > Does anyone have a picture of the water injection "Check valve" > > > > affair > > > > in > > > > the mixer? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks much gang. > > > > > > > > RickinMt. > > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SEL mailing list > > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 8 05:57:54 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 06:57:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC "M" - now grease cups. References: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable><000f01c4ad01$17743200$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> <48341.199.62.0.252.1097236564.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: I can buy that Marv. Corky did read in one of the IHC books that grease cups are more forgiving in that, if you forget to turn them they will lube as they warm up and change state. 'preciate it Marv. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 5:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC "M" - now grease cups. > i believe the M engines all origionally came with grease cups on the > mains, cam, and the end of the crank for the connecting rod(with a left > hand thread cap so it could be tightned while the engine was running). > the "zerk" fittings for a grease gun were a common farm modification to > engines in later years after other machinery started using them. > it was easier and cleaner to grab the grease gun than to take apart and > repack the cups. > > marv in minn > > > Rick and Ray, I think I misunderstand you about the grease fittings, > > all the M's have grease cups. I read over that "zerk" it's a strange > > word for me. > > See the specs at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/greasecups.jpg > > > > Regards, > > John Hammink > > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > > >> There ya go Ray. This 1.5 hp has what looks like old style zerk grease > >> gun > >> fittings. They look OEM and according to John H., they did come with > >> zerks. > >> > >> John, appreciate the time and trouble spent coming up with and > >> editing > >> the > >> pix's. Thanks much and I'm sure Cork will feel the same way. > >> > >> Take Care Guys, > >> Rick > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:34 AM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > >> > >> > >> > The needles on mine are brass. Can it be drilled out? All the engines > >> I > >> > have > >> > seen have cups on the mains. Mine even has a grease cup to lubricate > >> the > >> > camshaft where it exits the side plate. There was no bush or bearing > >> in > >> > there but as it was worn I machined it and made a bronze bearing for > >> it. > >> > > >> > > >> > Ray Freeman > >> > Portable Line Boring > >> > http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > >> > plb at plb.iinet.net.au > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Richard Strobel" > >> > To: "SEL email discussion list" > >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:18 PM > >> > Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > >> > > >> > > >> > > For my machinist friend Corky, alias Spud.....soon to join the > >> > > SEL. > >> > > > >> > > On his 1.5hp low tension IHC "M", the water needle valve is broke > >> off > >> > > with half of it still inside the mixer. Any suggestions on how to > >> get > >> > > it > >> > > out? He wants it original. > >> > > Also were zerk grease fittings OEM on the mains? > >> > > > >> > > We looked at a greased up cc breather yesterday and now understand > >> why > >> > > they're so pricy. > >> > > > >> > > Does anyone have a picture of the water injection "Check valve" > >> affair > >> > > in > >> > > the mixer? > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Thanks much gang. > >> > > > >> > > RickinMt. > >> > > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > SEL mailing list > >> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Fri Oct 8 06:15:09 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:15:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How to lube old engines? Message-ID: <000401c4ad38$d721b1e0$2a690b42@gnarmstrong> Rick, It has been suggested that a low-ash oil HD 10W-40W be used in the drip oiler for the cylinder to avoid gumming up the rings. I believe the source giving me this info. It has also been suggested that we Do NOT use the modern two -cyle oil in mixing the gas oil for combustion but the best would be to use Aeroshell Oil 80 SAE 40 or equivalent . It is a high viscosity index straight mineral oil. I also believe the source for this information. Your other questions I believe are sufficiently answered by your own comments. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Rick I. To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Thursday, October 07, 2004 10:38 PM Subject: [SEL] How to lube old engines? >Howdy, everybody! > >I've just RE-joined the list; the last time I was here was when it was at >indiana.edu. >After years of looking, I've finally found my >first stationary engine to fix up. I've been looking forward to this for a >long time. I've got a fairly good idea how things work, but the >little details take a while to figure out, as some things are somewhat old & >nearly forgotten technology. > >I've now got a hit-and-miss Taylor Vacuum Engine, Type C, 2HP. It has >sparkplug ignition with a Wico EK magneto (type 2 drive), and open >crankcase. It's a green machine. :-) > >I'm slowly going over the engine, trying to understand thoroughly what >everything does before I attempt to start it. > >I've got several questions on lubrication that I can't seem to find the >answers to (I've already searched the SEL archives). > >1) What weight of motor oil should be used in the piston's drip oiler (in >moderate weather)? Perhaps something like straight 30 weight Quaker State? >Is a multigrade viscosity, like 10w30 ok? I presume this same weight oil is >used to oil other parts of the engine before starting, too, using an >oilcan. >-I already know that on this particular type of engine you need to >mix oil with the gas in order to properly lube the innermost part of the >piston; I'm planning on using modern 2 cycle oil mixed 16:1. > >2) On top of the governor shaft, there's a small pinky-sized tube with a >flap-cap on it. You can see the shiny shaft down at the bottom of the tube. >I presume the tube is for oil (not grease). How do I use this? Do I put >just a *few drops* of >(the same) oil in, OR does it get *filled up* with oil? (I'm not sure why >this one >component alone has this tube.) > >3) I've got 3 grease cups. I've read that the bearing grease cups get >filled with (what else) "cup grease", but what's the modern equivalent of >cup >grease? Perhaps something like wheel bearing grease, e.g. Kendall Super Blu >High Temp EP grease? > >4) How do you USE the grease cups themselves during normal operation? I >presume I'll want to clean >out the old grease somehow, then fill it (how full?) with fresh grease... >then >what? How much do I tighten the caps down initially? An old Hercules >manual I found says "Watch the grease closely, give them a quarter of a turn >each time you start the engine". Is this all the follow up attention it >really needs- a quarter turn before starting? > >5) What oil should be used for the magneto? Maybe light machine oil like >3-in-1 or Singer sewing machine oil? > >Thanks a lot in advance, > >Rick I. near Rochester, NY > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marvhed at ecenet.com Fri Oct 8 08:35:10 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:35:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" In-Reply-To: References: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable><040201c4acd8$5949d1e0$0100a8c0@Portable> Message-ID: <29403.199.62.0.252.1097249710.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> rick, looking at the crank end of the engine, the grease cup for the cam is below the LH main facing straight out the back towards you. size is 1/8" pipe thread. marv in minn > 1921 Ray. We see no place to lube the camshaft. Just zerks on the mains > and cs. > > Take Care, > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 7:44 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > > >> Was it the early M's with Zerks?Mine is 1926 and the cups have IHC >> symbols >> stamped on the caps. Interesting info,thanks >> >> Ray >> >> Portable Line Boring >> http://www.plb.iinet.net.au >> plb at plb.iinet.net.au >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Richard Strobel" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:37 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" >> >> >> > There ya go Ray. This 1.5 hp has what looks like old style zerk >> grease >> > gun fittings. They look OEM and according to John H., they did come >> > with >> > zerks. >> > >> > John, appreciate the time and trouble spent coming up with and >> editing >> > the pix's. Thanks much and I'm sure Cork will feel the same way. >> > >> > Take Care Guys, >> > Rick >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:34 AM >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" >> > >> > >> >> The needles on mine are brass. Can it be drilled out? All the engines >> I >> >> have >> >> seen have cups on the mains. Mine even has a grease cup to lubricate >> >> the >> >> camshaft where it exits the side plate. There was no bush or bearing >> in >> >> there but as it was worn I machined it and made a bronze bearing for >> >> it. >> >> >> >> >> >> Ray Freeman >> >> Portable Line Boring >> >> http://www.plb.iinet.net.au >> >> plb at plb.iinet.net.au >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Richard Strobel" >> >> To: "SEL email discussion list" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:18 PM >> >> Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" >> >> >> >> >> >> > For my machinist friend Corky, alias Spud.....soon to join the >> SEL. >> >> > >> >> > On his 1.5hp low tension IHC "M", the water needle valve is broke >> >> > off >> >> > with half of it still inside the mixer. Any suggestions on how to >> >> > get >> >> > it >> >> > out? He wants it original. >> >> > Also were zerk grease fittings OEM on the mains? >> >> > >> >> > We looked at a greased up cc breather yesterday and now understand >> >> > why >> >> > they're so pricy. >> >> > >> >> > Does anyone have a picture of the water injection "Check valve" >> >> > affair >> >> > in >> >> > the mixer? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Thanks much gang. >> >> > >> >> > RickinMt. >> >> > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > SEL mailing list >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Fri Oct 8 10:36:41 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 19:36:41 +0200 Subject: [SEL] M grease cups. References: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable><040201c4acd8$5949d1e0$0100a8c0@Portable> Message-ID: <000c01c4ad5d$73599130$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Rick, here you have them all 4 at the right place and the right shape and lenght. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/cups.jpg John H. > 1921 Ray. We see no place to lube the camshaft. Just zerks on the mains > and cs. > > Take Care, > Rick From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Oct 8 11:33:53 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:33:53 EDT Subject: [SEL] How to lube old engines? Message-ID: <9f.4f930356.2e983791@aol.com> In a message dated 10/8/2004 7:45:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, oldengin at udata.com writes: << Do NOT oil the mag!!!!!!!!!!!! Ted or Bill will tell you more here... bad bad idea the oil with electrical parts >> Leroy, Perhaps I will learn something from this discussion too. I always assumed you oiled the end of the mag shafts on Webster type thru the oiler balls, and the oiler slot for the yoke/shaft on the wico type mags. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Oct 8 12:47:23 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] How to lube old engines? In-Reply-To: <9f.4f930356.2e983791@aol.com> References: <9f.4f930356.2e983791@aol.com> Message-ID: <55689.165.206.180.118.1097264843.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Quite interesting - I'd like to hear the details as I've had some of these engines, and thus the mags, for going on 30 years. I oil ever-so-lightly just enough to keep the right parts moist with oil, and these are some very reliable engines (and thus the mags, except for the junk Bosch). The mag on the Alamo has not been apart since 1979 and still will start that engine whenever I attempt it - and I keep it oiled lightly. Same for the Lindsay-Alamo, the JD, of course, it's sort of self-oiling! It's hot as well, since 1980. I typically didn't oil the Sumpter on the FM very often as it's difficult to do, so the ends and bushings are well worn. Maybe the advice is aimed to those who believe that since a little oil is good, a lot is better, and don't know when to stop, so are advised simply "never"?? Dunno, but the ones I have all have provisions to oil, and I've always taken advantage of those provisions according to the same practices I use on sewing equipment and quilting machines - so maybe I'd ruined several expensive mags over the last 1/4 century. Maybe Bill or Ted will explain - could be an excellent adventure....... I'd sure like to know if I'm ruining mags - can't afford to do that! Bill > In a message dated 10/8/2004 7:45:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > oldengin at udata.com writes: > > << Do NOT oil the mag!!!!!!!!!!!! Ted or Bill will tell you more here... > bad bad idea the oil with electrical parts >> > > > Leroy, > > Perhaps I will learn something from this discussion too. I always assumed > you oiled the end of the mag shafts on Webster type thru the oiler balls, > and > the oiler slot for the yoke/shaft on the wico type mags. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Oct 8 16:55:09 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 19:55:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Mag Help In-Reply-To: <000a01c4acdd$1137dc80$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> References: <001e01c4acd8$a4dee140$de8e99a6@davem.com> <000a01c4acdd$1137dc80$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <7C90630E-1985-11D9-8D28-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > My experience is that the magnets don't have much pull when in the > mag. This is from the Websters I've played with. Take the magnet out > and it should have good pull on a wrench. Hope this helps. BUT, a steel magnet will also instantly lose much of its "charge" when the magnetic circuit's broken, either by removing the magnets or removing the armature. The best way to charge it is with a big charger and pole pieces that allow charging them in the intact mag after final assembly. Alternatively, you can charge them and use "keepers" across the poles to maintain the magnetic circuit as the magnet's removed from the charger, letting the "keepers" be pushed off as the magnet slides onto the mag. I've used brake disk pads as keepers on my M's magnets, and the thing works. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From plb at iinet.net.au Fri Oct 8 18:06:38 2004 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Erica Freeman) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 09:06:38 +0800 Subject: [SEL] M grease cups. References: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable><040201c4acd8$5949d1e0$0100a8c0@Portable> <000c01c4ad5d$73599130$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <04a001c4ad9c$3e0e6250$0100a8c0@Portable> John,thats a interesting pic.That engine is obviously a rotary mag type with the bracket cast onto the side plate.Mine with the EK has the lube pipe coming out the back of the casting horizontaly with the cup accessed from the rear. I believe I have seen some M's with no greasing at all. International must have assumed they would get enough lube from inside the crankcase. Mine had no bearing in the case,the cam shaft run straight onto the cast iron. Ray Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 1:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] M grease cups. > Rick, here you have them all 4 at the right place and the right > shape and lenght. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/cups.jpg > > John H. > > > >> 1921 Ray. We see no place to lube the camshaft. Just zerks on the mains >> and cs. >> >> Take Care, >> Rick > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From wrl at gwltd.com Fri Oct 8 19:42:08 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:42:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mag Help References: <001e01c4acd8$a4dee140$de8e99a6@davem.com><000a01c4acdd$1137dc80$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <7C90630E-1985-11D9-8D28-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <001201c4ada9$971301a0$698599a6@davem.com> Thanks to all for the help on the mag, Today I took it all apart and cleaned it very well, then made all new rubber insulator gaskets, but it back together, seems fine now. But a new trouble has come up. See my next post. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 6:55 PM, Subject: Re: [SEL] Mag Help > > My experience is that the magnets don't have much pull when in the > > mag. This is from the Websters I've played with. Take the magnet out > > and it should have good pull on a wrench. Hope this helps. > > BUT, a steel magnet will also instantly lose much of its "charge" when > the magnetic circuit's broken, either by removing the magnets or > removing the armature. The best way to charge it is with a big charger > and pole pieces that allow charging them in the intact mag after final > assembly. Alternatively, you can charge them and use "keepers" across > the poles to maintain the magnetic circuit as the magnet's removed from > the charger, letting the "keepers" be pushed off as the magnet slides > onto the mag. I've used brake disk pads as keepers on my M's magnets, > and the thing works. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Oct 8 20:21:39 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:21:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] How to lube old engines? In-Reply-To: <41667C05.2080203@udata.com> References: <000a01c4acbd$cb41cca0$ecb4a918@rochester.rr.com> <41667C05.2080203@udata.com> Message-ID: <41675943.3000701@steamengine.com.au> Leroy C. wrote: > Rick I. wrote: > >> I've got several questions on lubrication that I can't seem to find the >> answers to (I've already searched the SEL archives). I bet you did not look in the FAQ - http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/faq/index.html It is all there and mostly built from the input of the members of this and the old engine lists. Your > piston will get it's oil, Oh and set the drip rate at about one every > 10-15 seconds Leroy is right, but there is a formula: Use 2 - 3 drops per horse power per minute, so for your engine being a 3HP I'd use 6 to 9 drops per minute which is about the same drop rate as Leroy's advice. ps. Leroy is just about always right :) -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Oct 8 20:25:10 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:25:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] This list has answers to Frequently Asked Questions - FAQ Message-ID: <41675A16.3070704@steamengine.com.au> I've seen quite a few basic questions come up on the list lately (which is fine of course!) which are answered by the FAQ. I've not sent out the periodic reminder of the FAQ's existance for a long time so I suppose I should. http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/faq/index.html I control the content of the FAQ and use the messages from the list to add new sections and keep it up to date. I accept new submissions if anyone wants to write one. I especially accept factual corrections. Regards Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 9 03:49:13 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 03:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Mag Help In-Reply-To: <001e01c4acd8$a4dee140$de8e99a6@davem.com> Message-ID: <20041009104913.43280.qmail@web20222.mail.yahoo.com> Ted Brookover is one of the finest magneto men there is. He has been doing it for a long time and he has seen just about everything. I hope that he will have the time to post a few pointers about the EK, but in the meantime, I am going to give you a few things to look at. Take you mag off the engine, remove the armature (the part made out of laminations that slides up and down on the pin sticking out the bottom of the mag). Make sure that the faces of the laminations are clean, no bits of old grease, or dirt or metal shavings stuck to them. Once you are sure that the surfaces are clean, put the armature back on the pin and hold the mag up to the light. Look to see if there is any gap between the armature and the stationary core. If there is any gap, and you can see light through the gap, it is too much and must be corrected. The first thing I would check is to see if the armature is hitting the core cock-eyed. Often you can loosen the screws that hold the front casting of the mag to the rest of it. By the front casting, I mean the part that has the pin in it for the armature to slide on. Often you can loosne those screws just a bit and get the casting to move a tiny bit to close up that air gap, and then snug the screws back down. If that doesn't work, sometimes you can loosen the screws that clamp the laminations together that make up the armature, put the armature on the mag and gently tap on them with a screwdriver handle or tiny mallet to get the laminations to seat more evenly against the core, then tighten the screws back up. Sometimes the laminations are worn, or have ridges from thousands of cycles of slamming against each other as the mag tripped. This makes it impossible to get a good contact between the two surfaces. I have fixed this on a few mags by very carefully filing both surfaces, but it took a lot of thinking and a little filing. If you aren't careful, you can do more harm than good. So, if you don't feel you can get it right the first time, better off leaving it alone and having a mag repair man go through it for you. I tried cleaning one up by mounting it on my surface grinder. The magneto and the magnetic chuck on my surface grinder did not get along well and things became very ugly. I would now like to change the subject. That armature needs to have as close to 100% contact with the core as possible, if it doesn't, the chances of getting good reliable spark are about as slim as a super model on a hunger strike. Even if it is contacting nicely, it would be good to make friends with someone who has a magnet charger. Anytime you tear one apart it should get a trip across the charger, even if the magnets weren't weakened, it eliminates one variable. Hopefully Ted will chime in and give the definitive answer. Welcome to the list, lots of good people here and once you get to know some of them you will have friends across the country and around the world. Not bad, eh? Joe ===== Joe Prindle Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI www.badgersteamandgas.com Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 ***************** "Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" Old Irish Proverb ****************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Oct 9 03:54:31 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 11:54:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Mag Help In-Reply-To: <20041009104913.43280.qmail@web20222.mail.yahoo.com> References: <001e01c4acd8$a4dee140$de8e99a6@davem.com> <20041009104913.43280.qmail@web20222.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 03:49:13 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > >Ted Brookover is one of the finest magneto men there is. He has been doing >it for a long time and he has seen just about everything. I hope that he >will have the time to post a few pointers about the EK, but in the >meantime, I am going to give you a few things to look at. >Joe I'm sure Ted would not mind a mention for Bill Lopoulos as well here. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From tsmith at hal-pc.org Sat Oct 9 07:14:57 2004 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 09:14:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] This list has answers to Frequently Asked Questions - FAQ References: <41675A16.3070704@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <000601c4ae0a$5d31fe80$0988b4ce@toms> Paul, Please disregard that last email. I rebooted and tried again and the link works just fine. Sorry for the trouble, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 10:25 PM Subject: [SEL] This list has answers to Frequently Asked Questions - FAQ > I've seen quite a few basic questions come up on the list lately (which is > fine of course!) which are answered by the FAQ. I've not sent out the > periodic reminder of the FAQ's existance for a long time so I suppose I > should. > > http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/faq/index.html > > I control the content of the FAQ and use the messages from the list to add > new sections and keep it up to date. I accept new submissions if anyone > wants to write one. I especially accept factual corrections. > > Regards > Paul > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Oct 9 08:05:34 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 09:05:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" References: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable><040201c4acd8$5949d1e0$0100a8c0@Portable> <29403.199.62.0.252.1097249710.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: yes, we found the broken off pipe yesterday. It blended in with the rest of the grease so it was hard to see at first glance. Now the next challenge is to get the belt pulley off. It meets John H's specs except for a couple items. There is absolutely no setscrew, nor hole to access it. It doesn't have a crown. Provision for a key is there but it's absent. And it's a tight interference fit. Next out of the chute will be Rosebud...unless I hear different. Oh yea, there's no part number on it either. Well thanks Marv and all later, RickinMt ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > rick, > looking at the crank end of the engine, > the grease cup for the cam is below the LH main facing straight out the > back towards you. size is 1/8" pipe thread. > > marv in minn > > > > 1921 Ray. We see no place to lube the camshaft. Just zerks on the > > mains > > and cs. > > > > Take Care, > > Rick > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 7:44 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > > > > > >> Was it the early M's with Zerks?Mine is 1926 and the cups have IHC > >> symbols > >> stamped on the caps. Interesting info,thanks > >> > >> Ray > >> > >> Portable Line Boring > >> http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > >> plb at plb.iinet.net.au > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Richard Strobel" > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:37 AM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > >> > >> > >> > There ya go Ray. This 1.5 hp has what looks like old style zerk > >> grease > >> > gun fittings. They look OEM and according to John H., they did come > >> > with > >> > zerks. > >> > > >> > John, appreciate the time and trouble spent coming up with and > >> editing > >> > the pix's. Thanks much and I'm sure Cork will feel the same way. > >> > > >> > Take Care Guys, > >> > Rick > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" > >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:34 AM > >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > >> > > >> > > >> >> The needles on mine are brass. Can it be drilled out? All the > >> >> engines > >> I > >> >> have > >> >> seen have cups on the mains. Mine even has a grease cup to lubricate > >> >> the > >> >> camshaft where it exits the side plate. There was no bush or bearing > >> in > >> >> there but as it was worn I machined it and made a bronze bearing for > >> >> it. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Ray Freeman > >> >> Portable Line Boring > >> >> http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > >> >> plb at plb.iinet.net.au > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Richard Strobel" > >> >> To: "SEL email discussion list" > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:18 PM > >> >> Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > For my machinist friend Corky, alias Spud.....soon to join the > >> SEL. > >> >> > > >> >> > On his 1.5hp low tension IHC "M", the water needle valve is broke > >> >> > off > >> >> > with half of it still inside the mixer. Any suggestions on how to > >> >> > get > >> >> > it > >> >> > out? He wants it original. > >> >> > Also were zerk grease fittings OEM on the mains? > >> >> > > >> >> > We looked at a greased up cc breather yesterday and now > >> >> > understand > >> >> > why > >> >> > they're so pricy. > >> >> > > >> >> > Does anyone have a picture of the water injection "Check valve" > >> >> > affair > >> >> > in > >> >> > the mixer? > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Thanks much gang. > >> >> > > >> >> > RickinMt. > >> >> > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > SEL mailing list > >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Oct 9 08:37:20 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 09:37:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC Message-ID: Could someone please ID the model of the IHC on this page. I thought the picture of the tag would turn out better but it didn't and I didn't write down the serial number. The bible didn't help me much as it looks like several. Here's the link: http://community.webshots.com/album/60686285GaUjRc/4 Thanks much! RickinMt. PS: Checkout the outhouse also and, no the structure was not moved. We found it at an old cemetary. Weird, eh?? From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Oct 9 08:11:46 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 09:11:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] M grease cups. References: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable><040201c4acd8$5949d1e0$0100a8c0@Portable> <000c01c4ad5d$73599130$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Thanks John. Your prep work is un-equalled!!!!! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] M grease cups. > Rick, here you have them all 4 at the right place and the right > shape and lenght. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/cups.jpg > > John H. > > > > > 1921 Ray. We see no place to lube the camshaft. Just zerks on the > > mains > > and cs. > > > > Take Care, > > Rick > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sat Oct 9 09:38:59 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:38:59 +0200 Subject: [SEL] IHC References: Message-ID: <000601c4ae1e$7a1169f0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Rick, I would say it's a 4 hp Titan hopper cooled. get the serial number, I tell you more. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Could someone please ID the model of the IHC on this page. I thought the > picture of the tag would turn out better but it didn't and I didn't write > down the serial number. The bible didn't help me much as it looks like > several. Here's the link: > > http://community.webshots.com/album/60686285GaUjRc/4 > > Thanks much! > RickinMt. > PS: Checkout the outhouse also and, no the structure was not moved. We > found it at an old cemetary. Weird, eh?? > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Oct 9 09:56:56 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:56:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC References: <000601c4ae1e$7a1169f0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: OK thanks John. It's about 50 miles away so it will be a day or two before I get back down there. later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC > Hi Rick, I would say it's a 4 hp Titan hopper cooled. > get the serial number, I tell you more. > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > Could someone please ID the model of the IHC on this page. I thought > > the > > picture of the tag would turn out better but it didn't and I didn't > > write > > down the serial number. The bible didn't help me much as it looks like > > several. Here's the link: > > > > http://community.webshots.com/album/60686285GaUjRc/4 > > > > Thanks much! > > RickinMt. > > PS: Checkout the outhouse also and, no the structure was not moved. We > > found it at an old cemetary. Weird, eh?? > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From wilson at stny.rr.com Thu Oct 7 21:57:13 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 00:57:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Canadian parts ?? Message-ID: Did anyone send a box to my house for me to ship on to your house? I remember offering to do this for someone, but the box came and now I don't remember who it was. Thanks, Glenn From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Oct 9 10:36:36 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:36:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] IHC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200410091736.i99Haekr008146@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Richard, It looks to be hit and miss, a good thing {parts are cheaper and easier to find]. My question is ,why is it 50 miles away? How come it isn't in your shed? Don't you guys have phones up there? Like John said, The ser # will tell the tale. Nice find, Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 9:57 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC OK thanks John. It's about 50 miles away so it will be a day or two before I get back down there. later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC > Hi Rick, I would say it's a 4 hp Titan hopper cooled. > get the serial number, I tell you more. > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > Could someone please ID the model of the IHC on this page. I thought > > the > > picture of the tag would turn out better but it didn't and I didn't > > write > > down the serial number. The bible didn't help me much as it looks like > > several. Here's the link: > > > > http://community.webshots.com/album/60686285GaUjRc/4 > > > > Thanks much! > > RickinMt. > > PS: Checkout the outhouse also and, no the structure was not moved. We > > found it at an old cemetary. Weird, eh?? > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdi at rochester.rr.com Sat Oct 9 15:38:32 2004 From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:38:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: How to lube old engines? Message-ID: <000b01c4ae50$b4fb47c0$ecb4a918@rochester.rr.com> I wrote: > ...my first engine... a hit-and-miss Taylor Vacuum Engine, Type C, 2HP... > -I already know that on this particular type of engine you need to > mix oil with the gas in order to properly lube the innermost part of the > piston; I'm planning on using modern 2 cycle oil mixed 16:1. "Leroy C." follows up: > You engin[e] is a four stroke > model and you should not need two cycle oil in the fuel?????????? Your > piston will get it's oil, ... On the Taylor Vacuum Engine, the piston is very unusual- it is "stepped" and has two different diameters to it... the "front" half is smaller (and is for power), while the "back" half is much larger (used for the built-in vacuum pump). It's pretty neat. The reason that you need to add oil to the gas is that the Type C only has ONE oiler, and it's only over the "back" half of the piston. There's no drips falling on the smaller front half. The Taylor Engine owner's manual says: "LUBRICATION--NOTICE Mix from 1/4 to 1/2 a pint of cylinder oil with each gallon of gasoline used, the amount of oil required depending upon the quality used, as well as the speed of the engine and climatic conditions." It seems that the oil mixed with the gas is the only way the front half of the piston will get lubricated. This is only for the Taylor engine; as you said, "normal" 4 cycle engines don't need oil in the fuel. When I yank the piston (skirt has a crack that needs re-welding), I'll be sure to take a photo of this piston to share. -Rick I., figuring stuff out near Rochester, NY From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Oct 9 16:08:20 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:08:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Broadband users. Message-ID: <001901c4ae54$de3c0da0$6b856ad5@no1> Hi Gang, I have been using a program called skype to chat for free with people throughout the world. See http://www.skype.com/ Myself & Curt Andree are finding it great to chat & send pictures for no charge. You can also use it to phone people for a small proportion of the normal cost. IE UK to Australia 20 Minutes is about 0.30 Dollars. You do need to be close to your telephone depot or have Broadband to get the benefit How about joining us for engine chat?. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From driggars at earthlink.net Sat Oct 9 16:52:27 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:52:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 Message-ID: <020f01c4ae5d$bccf24a0$270fe204@clinton> I bought a briggs model 14 at auction today, where can I find out about this engine? HP, parts list, etc? Thanks Clint From christison at coastalnet.com Sat Oct 9 18:45:37 2004 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:45:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 References: <020f01c4ae5d$bccf24a0$270fe204@clinton> Message-ID: <000701c4ae6a$d8c0d8e0$3470b341@mshome.net> Clint, Go to http://www.edgeta.org/techdata.htm and click on the link to Bob Learned's page. Take care. Ken Christison Conway, NC christison at coastalnet.com http://www.oldiron-nut.com http://www.syrupmakers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 7:52 PM Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 > I bought a briggs model 14 at auction today, where can I find out about this > engine? HP, parts list, etc? > Thanks > Clint From driggars at earthlink.net Sat Oct 9 19:33:15 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:33:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 References: <020f01c4ae5d$bccf24a0$270fe204@clinton> <000701c4ae6a$d8c0d8e0$3470b341@mshome.net> Message-ID: <004201c4ae71$7fcd1260$7915e204@clinton> ken thanks, i had visited that site earlier and all i can find out about the model 14 is year and bore size, nothing else about it clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 > Clint, > > Go to http://www.edgeta.org/techdata.htm and click on the link to Bob Learned's page. > > Take care. > > Ken Christison > Conway, NC > christison at coastalnet.com > http://www.oldiron-nut.com > http://www.syrupmakers.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clint D" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 7:52 PM > Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 > > > > I bought a briggs model 14 at auction today, where can I find out about this > > engine? HP, parts list, etc? > > Thanks > > Clint > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 9 12:25:27 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:25:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] This list has answers to Frequently Asked Questions - FAQ References: <41675A16.3070704@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <003a01c4ae35$bc37f4e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > I control the content of the FAQ and use the messages from the list to > add new sections and keep it up to date and some interesting content indeed , if you missed it the 1st time "" My Ma has a picture of Gramps and his Pa on a Tractor built out of a big Foos on a Morton truck. They bought it down around Baraboo and drove it to the scrap yard in Wisconsin Dells, where they proceeded to smash it up. Gramps said one smack on each spoke and the flywheel just shattered, he didn't think the castings were real high quality! I think he could get a lot of argument on that one if he were alive today. That was the spring of 1942, priorities were a little different then."""""" From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Oct 9 20:00:12 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:00:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Show pics updated Message-ID: <001301c4ae75$432b3bd0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Just finished posting all the pictures from last weeks show. Some old, some new, for those that looked at the first post. Great time, great contacts and visits, and can't wait for the next one. http://frapa.us/Photos/CiderDays04/Cider04.html Today's show was not as good. Biggest show of the year for the club, but I forgot where it was held. The 750 acres is owned by the City and County of Denver, Colorado, USA, and they don't allow smoking on any of their land. Not on the paved trails, parking lots, or anywhere else. Yes, the Corn Maze and Pumpkin patch should be off limits, and that is only common sense. Spent a short time there and my nose is still burning from the fumes from the generators in the "Children's Play Area", as in pay a bunch of money for the fumes and inflatable rides. Back to the gib key tomorrow. Score now: Gib key 2, Jeff 0. :-( Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From d.fleming at sasktel.net Sat Oct 9 20:51:26 2004 From: d.fleming at sasktel.net (Don & Kay Fleming) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 21:51:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Wisconsin Engine Message-ID: <001e01c4ae7c$76f6ccc0$b7c36e40@FLEMINGWINXP> Hi All, I received the following note a couple of days ago and I am wondering if anyone on the list can help Brian and John out. I have had no experience with wisconsin engines. I am sure that any help would be greatly appreciated. They are not on the list but Brian's e-mail is ba.lake at sasktel.net Thanks in advance. Don Fleming Kipling, Sask. Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: B Lake To: Don & Kay Fleming Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:36 AM Subject: Wisconsin Engine Good morning, Don I'm hoping you might be able to assist with setting up the engine I was helping John install in his skid-steer loader this week. We have it running, but it likely last ran on a swather in the 70's and probably should have a little tuning up. John had taken it apart when he got it and oiled the cylinders, etc. so it's in pretty good shape. The problem relates to ignition timing. The distributor had to be changed from the old engine, because the swather version didn't have the required distributor drive pulley to run the alternator. When we went to move the distributor, we couldn't find any marks on the distributor to get it installed correctly, so we rotated the crankshafts to approx. the same position, marked the rotor in the distributor and went with that. After we got it running, the old method of rotating the distributor to max idle speed, then retarding slightly, doesn't seem to be optimum--the idle isn't great, but when you speed it up to do some work, it runs very well, apparently better than the original. Any information you could find about setting up the timing, etc. would be appreciated. It is a Wisconsin VG4D. Thanks. TTYS. Brian From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Oct 10 02:28:49 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:28:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] FW: Stover engine Message-ID: <200410100928.i9A9Skkr060740@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> If anyone can help Johnny please email him direct at the address below. Patrick M Livingstone _____ From: Nuttin Johnny [mailto:Johnny.Nuttin at village.uunet.be] Subject: Stover engine Hello, Can You tell me witch name plate I need for a Stover horizontal engine type D # n? 20879 from 1910 ? I need also a igniter, the one with the bridg. Can You help me? Thanks Johnny Nuttin Belgium From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Oct 10 05:07:00 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:07:00 +0800 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about it....your eternal bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I came away after having a great week as did my fellow club members. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "List SEL" ; "oldengine list" Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 7:18 AM Subject: [SEL] nhma > I got the club Mag. today and inside was some of the NHMA newsletter. > I have scanned the page and will send it off list to anyone interested. > However, here is one bit I want to comment on. > "A small minority of members cannot understand the necessity of fences > around exhibits.I suggest these members consider that fences protect them > from the public. When tools and equipment,magnetos and perhaps engines are > found missing,and some person places an iron bar or their head in your > flywheels, or your tractor is sabotaged, then perhaps we will hear some > support for fences" > This is from the president J.W. Stanley! > > So, not only are the public needing protection from us, WE are in need of > protection from the public! All of whom,it seems are there to rob and > steal, commit suicide,and vandalise all exhibits! > > And the wire fence is a magic way of stopping all the above occurring! > > I am putting this up for discussion and to show the mindset that is the > NHMA. > > Another section. > "I am concerned that tractors and vehicles > are being exhibited unfenced at some rallies. in these cases THE CLUB AND > EXHIBITOR ARE NOT INSURED' > > So, what is a static tractor or old car going to do? Explode if there is no > fence? > > Words now fail me!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sun Oct 10 06:02:01 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:02:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon> <000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <416932C8.2175B689@insulate.co.uk> Hi Peter The only thing is, you'd have had a great week with or without the fence! I've spent a week at Portland, surrounded by a single rope with no accidents, theft or vandalism. And that included the time I left my SLR camera, complete with spare lenses and filters, on a table amongst the engines - overnight! Fences do nothing to improve the experience one can have at at engine show, so why go to the expense? Dolly peter ogborne wrote: > Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about it....your > eternal > bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show > surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I came away > after having a great week as did my fellow club members. > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Oct 10 06:47:57 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:47:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC References: <200410091736.i99Haekr008146@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: We're trying to get it Jimmy. Belongs to an old timer and he still likes to tinker with it. Well so he says. I haven't seen any progress on it for over a year. Will keep trying Thanks Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 11:36 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] IHC > Richard, > It looks to be hit and miss, a good thing {parts are cheaper and easier > to > find]. My question is ,why is it 50 miles away? How come it isn't in your > shed? Don't you guys have phones up there? Like John said, The ser # will > tell the tale. Nice find, Jimmy O'Hagan > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 9:57 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC > > OK thanks John. It's about 50 miles away so it will be a day or two > before > I get back down there. > > later, > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hammink" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC > > > > Hi Rick, I would say it's a 4 hp Titan hopper cooled. > > get the serial number, I tell you more. > > > > John Hammink > > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please ID the model of the IHC on this page. I thought > > > the > > > picture of the tag would turn out better but it didn't and I didn't > > > write > > > down the serial number. The bible didn't help me much as it looks > > > like > > > several. Here's the link: > > > > > > http://community.webshots.com/album/60686285GaUjRc/4 > > > > > > Thanks much! > > > RickinMt. > > > PS: Checkout the outhouse also and, no the structure was not moved. > > > We > > > found it at an old cemetary. Weird, eh?? > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Oct 10 10:20:51 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:20:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] IHC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200410101720.i9AHKskr036937@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> 0 Rick, Would he be interested in a trade for something that is closer to running? This engine is missing several hundreds of dollars of parts unless they are in the barn for safe keeping. Give him a call and see if he'll give you the ser #. Good luck! Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:48 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC We're trying to get it Jimmy. Belongs to an old timer and he still likes to tinker with it. Well so he says. I haven't seen any progress on it for over a year. Will keep trying Thanks Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 11:36 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] IHC > Richard, > It looks to be hit and miss, a good thing {parts are cheaper and easier > to > find]. My question is ,why is it 50 miles away? How come it isn't in your > shed? Don't you guys have phones up there? Like John said, The ser # will > tell the tale. Nice find, Jimmy O'Hagan > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 9:57 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC > > OK thanks John. It's about 50 miles away so it will be a day or two > before > I get back down there. > > later, > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hammink" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC > > > > Hi Rick, I would say it's a 4 hp Titan hopper cooled. > > get the serial number, I tell you more. > > > > John Hammink > > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please ID the model of the IHC on this page. I thought > > > the > > > picture of the tag would turn out better but it didn't and I didn't > > > write > > > down the serial number. The bible didn't help me much as it looks > > > like > > > several. Here's the link: > > > > > > http://community.webshots.com/album/60686285GaUjRc/4 > > > > > > Thanks much! > > > RickinMt. > > > PS: Checkout the outhouse also and, no the structure was not moved. > > > We > > > found it at an old cemetary. Weird, eh?? > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Oct 10 11:26:18 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:26:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 Message-ID: <20041010.143655.892.5.jlb94@juno.com> I bought a briggs model 14 at auction today Thanks Clint = = = = = = Hi Clint Have you tried this site ? http://www.asecc.com/ Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From driggars at earthlink.net Sun Oct 10 12:51:03 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:51:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 References: <20041010.143655.892.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <02d401c4af02$7ef81740$3518e204@clinton> Joe > I bought a briggs model 14 at auction today > Thanks > Clint > = = = = = = > Hi Clint > Have you tried this site ? > http://www.asecc.com/ Yes I tried it and searched Google for two days now and cannot find out a lot about the model 14 Clint > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - > \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Oct 10 14:16:43 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:16:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon> <000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <001101c4af0e$757dd400$760d1bd3@athlon> Peter, How many children and other interested people had the chance to examine the exhibits? NONE! How many potential new hobby members missed out? LOTS! You just dont get it, do you? I am NOT against insurance or fences. I AM against the 'Cringe' mentality that has taken over this hobby. Oh, it aint worth the bother!! Goodby. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about it....your > eternal > bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show > surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I came away > after having a great week as did my fellow club members. From BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com Sun Oct 10 15:03:59 2004 From: BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com (barry gorman) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:03:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon> <000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <004701c4af15$126fd730$95218b90@userw32g91tqfi> Good Onya Peter Barry G. The Glorious Hunter Valley AUSTRALIA BarryandPamGorman at bigpond,com ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about it....your eternal bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I came away after having a great week as did my fellow club members. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Oct 10 01:59:38 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:59:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Large Aussie Engines Message-ID: <200410102226.i9AMQ8kr088933@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> A few weeks ago I bought an 8hp Buzacott. It is in pretty sad condition and was missing the head. I have a spare head for my 7hp Fuller & Johnson and I am very lucky to find that the head fits perfectly. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/buzzacott81.html Another big Aussie engine to find its way to a new home is Ron's recently acquired 20hp Austral Oil Engine. This is an enormous lump of iron which the previous owner had dismantled, even taking the cams off the sideshaft! We hope to have it back together and running by Christmas. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/austral20hp.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Oct 10 15:54:26 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:54:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon><000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <004701c4af15$126fd730$95218b90@userw32g91tqfi> Message-ID: <002901c4af1c$18690f60$8a63fea9@sweeper> I'm with you Barry Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "barry gorman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > Good Onya Peter > Barry G. > The Glorious Hunter Valley > AUSTRALIA > BarryandPamGorman at bigpond,com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about it....your > eternal bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show > surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I came away > after having a great week as did my fellow club members. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Oct 10 16:04:44 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:04:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon> <000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <004501c4af1d$880cd030$8a63fea9@sweeper> Good on you Pete and I bet you had a lot of interest shown by the public. I know I do when I am showing. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about it....your > eternal > bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show > surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I came away > after having a great week as did my fellow club members. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > To: "List SEL" ; "oldengine list" > > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 7:18 AM > Subject: [SEL] nhma > > > > I got the club Mag. today and inside was some of the NHMA newsletter. > > I have scanned the page and will send it off list to anyone interested. > > However, here is one bit I want to comment on. > > "A small minority of members cannot understand the necessity of fences > > around exhibits.I suggest these members consider that fences protect them > > from the public. When tools and equipment,magnetos and perhaps engines are > > found missing,and some person places an iron bar or their head in your > > flywheels, or your tractor is sabotaged, then perhaps we will hear some > > support for fences" > > This is from the president J.W. Stanley! > > > > So, not only are the public needing protection from us, WE are in need of > > protection from the public! All of whom,it seems are there to rob and > > steal, commit suicide,and vandalise all exhibits! > > > > And the wire fence is a magic way of stopping all the above occurring! > > > > I am putting this up for discussion and to show the mindset that is the > > NHMA. > > > > Another section. > > "I am concerned that tractors and vehicles > > are being exhibited unfenced at some rallies. in these cases THE CLUB AND > > EXHIBITOR ARE NOT INSURED' > > > > So, what is a static tractor or old car going to do? Explode if there is > no > > fence? > > > > Words now fail me!! > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Oct 10 16:28:01 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:28:01 +0800 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon><000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <001101c4af0e$757dd400$760d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <002a01c4af20$e4464040$a5a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> There must be some thing in the water! Let me explain to you Reg ,despite your extraordinary powers as to be able to know what goes on at our show, from the other side of the country ,ie your statement of NONE. We had the normal number of requests for membership forms ,kids and dads were showing the normal interest, the fence did not inhibit them. The very simple fact is that rules are rules and i say again that if you want to participate in this hobby and exhibit your engines or whatever in this country then ''Duty of Care '' is required. The NHMA do a job that not many of us care to take on and they dont deserve the knocking. Cringe mentality.....................no just wanting to enjoy the hobby. what they do in the US and the UK has nothing to do with they way things are run here. There are many ,many people working to the rules and enjoying the hobby..........Horses for Courses Reg, why keep bitching ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > Peter, How many children and other interested people had the chance to > examine the exhibits? NONE! > How many potential new hobby members missed out? LOTS! > You just dont get it, do you? > I am NOT against insurance or fences. > I AM against the 'Cringe' mentality that has taken over this hobby. > Oh, it aint worth the bother!! Goodby. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about it....your > > eternal > > bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show > > surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I came > away > > after having a great week as did my fellow club members. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Oct 10 17:28:10 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:28:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Austral exhaust casting Message-ID: <200410110028.i9B0SMkr009836@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Thanks to the generosity of one of my club members (who pulled the part off his engine and loaned it to me) I finally have the correct exhaust stack on my little Austral. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Austral/04101002.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Austral/04101003.JPG It is quite a substantial casting and required a core but it came out very well. It was quite costly but it is worth it to finish off the engine. Now to drill the mounting holes and fit it in time for the R-T Centenary Rally :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Oct 10 07:17:29 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:17:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] JD Grain Elevator Message-ID: Howdy all; Is this implement just called a "Grain Elevator?" That's a F-M engine on it. The owner has assurred us that it is not for sale, but we'll keep on him. Here's a link for a picture and hit forward for more. http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/197852290xMcYqI Thanks much! RickinMt. PS: Looking for transportation for a small hyd cylinder from I-90 corridor in Mt. to Snohomish, Wash. From plb at iinet.net.au Sun Oct 10 17:32:17 2004 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:32:17 +0800 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon><000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3><001101c4af0e$757dd400$760d1bd3@athlon> <002a01c4af20$e4464040$a5a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <00cd01c4af29$c3b38aa0$0100a8c0@Portable> Well spoke!! Ray Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > There must be some thing in the water! Let me explain to you Reg ,despite > your extraordinary powers as to be able to know what goes on at our show, > from the other side of the country ,ie your statement of NONE. We had the > normal number of requests for membership forms ,kids and dads were showing > the normal interest, the fence did not inhibit them. > The very simple fact is that rules are rules and i say again that if you > want to participate in this hobby and exhibit your engines or whatever in > this country then ''Duty of Care '' is required. The NHMA do a job that > not > many of us care to take on and they dont deserve the knocking. Cringe > mentality.....................no just wanting to enjoy the hobby. what > they > do in the US and the UK has nothing to do with they way things are run > here. > There are many ,many people working to the rules and enjoying the > hobby..........Horses for Courses Reg, why keep bitching ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:16 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > >> Peter, How many children and other interested people had the chance to >> examine the exhibits? NONE! >> How many potential new hobby members missed out? LOTS! >> You just dont get it, do you? >> I am NOT against insurance or fences. >> I AM against the 'Cringe' mentality that has taken over this hobby. >> Oh, it aint worth the bother!! Goodby. >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "peter ogborne" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma >> >> >> > Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about > it....your >> > eternal >> > bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show >> > surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I came >> away >> > after having a great week as did my fellow club members. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From christison at coastalnet.com Sun Oct 10 18:06:28 2004 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:06:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] JD Grain Elevator References: Message-ID: <002c01c4af2e$8a5e2a80$0100a8c0@mshome.net> We just call them grain augers. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "Antique John Deere mailing list" ; "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:17 AM Subject: [SEL] JD Grain Elevator > Howdy all; > Is this implement just called a "Grain Elevator?" . > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/197852290xMcYqI From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Oct 10 18:27:38 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:27:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon><000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <001101c4af0e$757dd400$760d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <003401c4af31$7f80c3e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Reg, Please clear this up for me. NHMA insurance is a liability insurance if someone gets injured? You pay for it just in case someone wants to put their head in a flywheel and it should cover the moron that chooses suicide by flywheel? Once you have paid for your insurance to protect yourself, you are required to keep the public away from your display? What is the point of the insurance? As a visitor to a show I can purchase insurance and now I'm fine behind the fence? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ This horse ain't dead folks. The attitude that it can't happen here will insure that it will happen here. The fool speaks again Peter O. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > Peter, How many children and other interested people had the chance to > examine the exhibits? NONE! > How many potential new hobby members missed out? LOTS! > You just dont get it, do you? > I am NOT against insurance or fences. > I AM against the 'Cringe' mentality that has taken over this hobby. > Oh, it aint worth the bother!! Goodby. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > >> Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about >> it....your >> eternal >> bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show >> surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I came > away >> after having a great week as did my fellow club members. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com Sun Oct 10 18:33:44 2004 From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:33:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] JD Grain Elevator References: <002c01c4af2e$8a5e2a80$0100a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <003501c4af32$5999e520$fdc67040@user> Round here a "auger" is the screw inside the tube. This has a chain and fits the "elevator" description. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] JD Grain Elevator We just call them grain augers. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "Antique John Deere mailing list" ; "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:17 AM Subject: [SEL] JD Grain Elevator > Howdy all; > Is this implement just called a "Grain Elevator?" . > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/197852290xMcYqI _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alanb2 at webtv.net Sun Oct 10 18:32:48 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:32:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 In-Reply-To: "Clint D" 's message of Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:51:03 -0500 Message-ID: <12565-4169E2C0-483@storefull-3277.bay.webtv.net> Hi Clint, Is it a straight model 14 or is there something else after the 14? I recommend you buy a book. Repairman's Handbook Service Manual for Out of Production Engines 1919 - 1981 It is from the Briggs & Stratton Co. If you go to the http://www.asecc.com site and look around you will find a links page with parts suppliers. I believe I got my copy from Bob's Small Engine Supply Co. or something like that. It covers a LOT of the old cast iron B&S engines. For the model 14 alone it lists, 14B, 14F, 14FB, 14FBC, 14FBPC, 14FBP, 14P, 14R6 & 14R6D I hope this helps, Alan ================================== Have you tried this site ? http://www.asecc.com/ Yes I tried it and searched Google for two days now and cannot find out a lot about the model 14 Clint . . . Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From ivancou at usachoice.net Sun Oct 10 18:52:08 2004 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:52:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 References: <020f01c4ae5d$bccf24a0$270fe204@clinton> Message-ID: <000001c4af34$ec7ea720$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Clint , the 14 is too old for Briggs to list on their web site . I have several , they were built from March 1948 to Sept 1963 . I have a parts list for the 14 -,b,fb,r6,r6d . I found my manual on Ebay . Parts , same place. NAPA lists them in their older catalog ,I havent tried but might be available yet . My books are out in the shop but I think 5 hp is about it and they are rated at a lower rpm than the newer engines if I remember right . The mod 19 are 8 hp and the 23 are 9 hp. Ivan From christison at coastalnet.com Sun Oct 10 19:07:22 2004 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:07:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] JD Grain Elevator References: <002c01c4af2e$8a5e2a80$0100a8c0@mshome.net> <003501c4af32$5999e520$fdc67040@user> Message-ID: <003201c4af37$0c90e120$0100a8c0@mshome.net> Thanks for setting me straight Paul. I should have looked at it a little better. My grain mill catalogs just call these conveyors, though I don't show any that are in round tubes like the screw conveyors. Take care. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Russell" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] JD Grain Elevator > Round here a "auger" is the screw inside the tube. > This has a chain and fits the "elevator" description. From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sun Oct 10 20:57:50 2004 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:57:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 In-Reply-To: <000701c4ae6a$d8c0d8e0$3470b341@mshome.net> References: <020f01c4ae5d$bccf24a0$270fe204@clinton> <000701c4ae6a$d8c0d8e0$3470b341@mshome.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041010225705.02102f90@mail.herculesengines.com> Bob Learned had a great signature line on his e-mails. Can anybody remember what it was? Thanks. Keith At 08:45 PM 10/9/2004, you wrote: >Clint, > >Go to http://www.edgeta.org/techdata.htm and click on the link to Bob >Learned's page. > >Take care. > >Ken Christison >Conway, NC >christison at coastalnet.com >http://www.oldiron-nut.com >http://www.syrupmakers.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Clint D" >To: >Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 7:52 PM >Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 > > > > I bought a briggs model 14 at auction today, where can I find out about > this > > engine? HP, parts list, etc? > > Thanks > > Clint > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From driggars at earthlink.net Sun Oct 10 21:26:31 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:26:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 References: <12565-4169E2C0-483@storefull-3277.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <00c401c4af4a$7d8f4ac0$d318e204@clinton> Alan Yes, all I can see stamped is 14 on the tag, nothing after the 14 Clint > Hi Clint, > > Is it a straight model 14 or is there something else after the 14? > > I recommend you buy a book. > > Repairman's Handbook > Service Manual for Out of Production Engines 1919 - 1981 > It is from the Briggs & Stratton Co. > > If you go to the http://www.asecc.com site and look around you will find > a links page with parts suppliers. I believe I got my copy from Bob's > Small Engine Supply Co. or something like that. > > It covers a LOT of the old cast iron B&S engines. For the model 14 > alone it lists, > 14B, 14F, 14FB, 14FBC, 14FBPC, 14FBP, 14P, 14R6 & 14R6D > > I hope this helps, > > Alan > > ================================== > > Have you tried this site ? > > http://www.asecc.com/ > > Yes I tried it and searched Google for two days now and cannot find out > a lot about the model 14 > Clint > . > . > . > > Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net > Williamsburg, Michigan > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 10 22:48:22 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:48:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 References: <020f01c4ae5d$bccf24a0$270fe204@clinton><000701c4ae6a$d8c0d8e0$3470b341@mshome.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041010225705.02102f90@mail.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <005501c4af55$eb9dba00$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> > Bob Learned had a great signature line on his e-mails. Can anybody > remember what it was? "A closed mouth gathers no feet." Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 > Bob Learned had a great signature line on his e-mails. Can anybody > remember what it was? > Thanks. > Keith > > > > At 08:45 PM 10/9/2004, you wrote: >>Clint, >> >>Go to http://www.edgeta.org/techdata.htm and click on the link to Bob >>Learned's page. >> >>Take care. >> >>Ken Christison >>Conway, NC >>christison at coastalnet.com >>http://www.oldiron-nut.com >>http://www.syrupmakers.com >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Clint D" >>To: >>Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 7:52 PM >>Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 >> >> >> > I bought a briggs model 14 at auction today, where can I find out about >> this >> > engine? HP, parts list, etc? >> > Thanks >> > Clint >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Oct 11 00:31:29 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:31:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon><000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3><001101c4af0e$757dd400$760d1bd3@athlon> <003401c4af31$7f80c3e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <001a01c4af64$533be0c0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Jeff It is a public liability insurance that we talk about not personal accident insurance although, in my time on the committee we did have personal accident insurance as well. I don't know if that is the case at present. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > Reg, > > Please clear this up for me. NHMA insurance is a liability insurance if > someone gets injured? You pay for it just in case someone wants to put their > head in a flywheel and it should cover the moron that chooses suicide by > flywheel? Once you have paid for your insurance to protect yourself, you are > required to keep the public away from your display? What is the point of the > insurance? > > As a visitor to a show I can purchase insurance and now I'm fine behind the > fence? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > > This horse ain't dead folks. The attitude that it can't happen here will > insure that it will happen here. The fool speaks again Peter O. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 3:16 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > Peter, How many children and other interested people had the chance to > > examine the exhibits? NONE! > > How many potential new hobby members missed out? LOTS! > > You just dont get it, do you? > > I am NOT against insurance or fences. > > I AM against the 'Cringe' mentality that has taken over this hobby. > > Oh, it aint worth the bother!! Goodby. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "peter ogborne" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > > >> Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about > >> it....your > >> eternal > >> bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show > >> surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I came > > away > >> after having a great week as did my fellow club members. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Oct 11 00:32:17 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:32:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon><000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3><001101c4af0e$757dd400$760d1bd3@athlon> <002a01c4af20$e4464040$a5a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <003001c4af64$6f65a7e0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Once again good on you Peter. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > There must be some thing in the water! Let me explain to you Reg ,despite > your extraordinary powers as to be able to know what goes on at our show, > from the other side of the country ,ie your statement of NONE. We had the > normal number of requests for membership forms ,kids and dads were showing > the normal interest, the fence did not inhibit them. > The very simple fact is that rules are rules and i say again that if you > want to participate in this hobby and exhibit your engines or whatever in > this country then ''Duty of Care '' is required. The NHMA do a job that not > many of us care to take on and they dont deserve the knocking. Cringe > mentality.....................no just wanting to enjoy the hobby. what they > do in the US and the UK has nothing to do with they way things are run here. > There are many ,many people working to the rules and enjoying the > hobby..........Horses for Courses Reg, why keep bitching ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:16 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > Peter, How many children and other interested people had the chance to > > examine the exhibits? NONE! > > How many potential new hobby members missed out? LOTS! > > You just dont get it, do you? > > I am NOT against insurance or fences. > > I AM against the 'Cringe' mentality that has taken over this hobby. > > Oh, it aint worth the bother!! Goodby. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "peter ogborne" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > > > > Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about > it....your > > > eternal > > > bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show > > > surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I came > > away > > > after having a great week as did my fellow club members. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Mon Oct 11 01:36:13 2004 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:36:13 +0800 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon><000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3><001101c4af0e$757dd400$760d1bd3@athlon><002a01c4af20$e4464040$a5a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <003001c4af64$6f65a7e0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: <01e701c4af6d$5e5f3390$210110ac@service> Gidday guys, i have to say i agree with Peter, i have no problems with fencing and we have heaps of people & children being shown how engines work and what they were used for, also at each show we always end up with a new member or two, not bad for small country town shows. Chester Smith Katanning WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > Once again good on you Peter. > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 9:28 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > There must be some thing in the water! Let me explain to you Reg ,despite > > your extraordinary powers as to be able to know what goes on at our show, > > from the other side of the country ,ie your statement of NONE. We had the > > normal number of requests for membership forms ,kids and dads were showing > > the normal interest, the fence did not inhibit them. > > The very simple fact is that rules are rules and i say again that if you > > want to participate in this hobby and exhibit your engines or whatever in > > this country then ''Duty of Care '' is required. The NHMA do a job that > not > > many of us care to take on and they dont deserve the knocking. Cringe > > mentality.....................no just wanting to enjoy the hobby. what > they > > do in the US and the UK has nothing to do with they way things are run > here. > > There are many ,many people working to the rules and enjoying the > > hobby..........Horses for Courses Reg, why keep bitching ? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:16 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > > > > Peter, How many children and other interested people had the chance to > > > examine the exhibits? NONE! > > > How many potential new hobby members missed out? LOTS! > > > You just dont get it, do you? > > > I am NOT against insurance or fences. > > > I AM against the 'Cringe' mentality that has taken over this hobby. > > > Oh, it aint worth the bother!! Goodby. > > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "peter ogborne" > > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > > > > > > > Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about > > it....your > > > > eternal > > > > bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show > > > > surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I came > > > away > > > > after having a great week as did my fellow club members. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Oct 11 03:07:51 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:07:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing Message-ID: <101120041007.5584.3731@mchsi.com> Does anyone know a source for Pulmore brand belt dressing? Realized I am almost out as I like using it for my belts when grinding corn meal,etc. thankyou in advance, Curt Andree From froberts at dodo.com.au Mon Oct 11 04:08:30 2004 From: froberts at dodo.com.au (Fred Roberts) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:08:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon><000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3><001101c4af0e$757dd400$760d1bd3@athlon> <002a01c4af20$e4464040$a5a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <007401c4af82$a5039060$2584dccb@froberts> PETER. Well done,my sentiment also. Regards Fred From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Oct 11 05:25:40 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 05:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] nhma In-Reply-To: <001a01c4af64$533be0c0$8a63fea9@sweeper> References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon><000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3><001101c4af0e$757dd400$760d1bd3@athlon> <003401c4af31$7f80c3e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <001a01c4af64$533be0c0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: <64055.165.206.180.118.1097497540.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Guess I will never figure out why _I_ should be liable for some a$$hole who is so bloody stupid, so dumb, so should be out of the gene pool anyway that they stick their head into a running engine, get hurt, then want to BLAME ME or the show putter-onner. Oh, I know - it's John Edwards and his merry band of lawyers, that's it! Because THEY make money when some total moron gets hurt through NO fault of mine, but wants to blame me so they can collect some easy money. Well, in the words of a great rock band - they need to "Get over it". As a local radio show host says, this country is in an entitlement mentality - the world owes me, I don't have all I want so the world owes me. If I display my engines, don't have an engine that is unsafe around people with a lick of common sense, then there should be no liability on my part should someone get hurt. Should it not be that simple? Now if I take an unsafe engine, or if I do something stupid like walk away from it and the governor doesn't work and an engine rated at 500RPM suddenly goes into overdrive and hits some crazy speed and some parts break and it hurts someone who is not even looking at it, then OK, I have a problem then. I can see insurance for that - "accident" sort of thing. But where do the fences some in? To protect ME from some absolute moron who can't keep their fingers out of moving parts - sorry, I won't show behind a bullet-proof glass. I'll stay home and enjoy them first, maybe invite some friends - who are smart enough to touch and not get hurt. I don't even go to museums where I can't get close and personal with the displays. It's no better than looking at pictures in a book, and that's cheaper. I want people to mill around the displays and ask questions, and look close at the working parts and show interest. And I want to come and go without having to traverse fences. The ropes like used at Waukee are plenty for smart people. The dumb ones can just stay home where they can get hurt putting their hands into a garbage disposal to unclog it. Gee, I feel better now. Reg - keep on talking - I really do enjoy hearing/reading you, even if it is a rant. At least your rants are logical. Bill > Jeff > > It is a public liability insurance that we talk about not personal > accident > insurance although, in my time on the committee we did have personal > accident insurance as well. I don't know if that is the case at present. > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:27 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > >> Reg, >> >> Please clear this up for me. NHMA insurance is a liability insurance if >> someone gets injured? You pay for it just in case someone wants to put > their >> head in a flywheel and it should cover the moron that chooses suicide by >> flywheel? Once you have paid for your insurance to protect yourself, you > are >> required to keep the public away from your display? What is the point of > the >> insurance? >> >> As a visitor to a show I can purchase insurance and now I'm fine behind > the >> fence? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ >> >> This horse ain't dead folks. The attitude that it can't happen here will >> insure that it will happen here. The fool speaks again Peter O. >> >> Regards, >> >> Jeff Allen >> Arvada, Colorado USA >> >> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ >> http://frapa.us/ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 3:16 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma >> >> >> > Peter, How many children and other interested people had the chance to >> > examine the exhibits? NONE! >> > How many potential new hobby members missed out? LOTS! >> > You just dont get it, do you? >> > I am NOT against insurance or fences. >> > I AM against the 'Cringe' mentality that has taken over this hobby. >> > Oh, it aint worth the bother!! Goodby. >> > Reg & Marg Ingold. >> > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> > randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "peter ogborne" >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma >> > >> > >> >> Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about >> >> it....your >> >> eternal >> >> bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show >> >> surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I >> came >> > away >> >> after having a great week as did my fellow club members. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From wrl at gwltd.com Mon Oct 11 05:34:57 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:34:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Guy References: <003a01c4abf7$6eacb2a0$0800005a@davem.com> <000701c4abfa$4a3382c0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <000c01c4af8e$bc03d0c0$958c99a6@davem.com> Hi John, yes the Deere collectors center nad musem is really very nice. I had not been done there for some time, then I stopped one day looking for a part for my B, and I was disapointed that they had closed the parts department. Or at least scaled it way back. Second Ave where it is located many years ago was where all the local businees's were located, then that area kinda went to hell. Bunch of old buildings falling down and so on. Then Deere & Co. Donated some land where the old plow works was located. The city started buliding a new arena, and Deere donated more land and away it went. Several of the old building were renevated and some came down to make way for new ones. Any way the area is much nicer now. Have you ever been to the Collectors center for the annual auction, it a lot of fun. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Guy > Welcome aboard Dave, interesting city you live in. Visited > already JD three times in the past years. > Curious what IH you have. > > Regards,John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very avtive list too. I just brought home to engines. One is a Stover CT 1, it has > a Wico ek mag on it that's not working. I hope to have this one running by the weekend. I may ask for advise on the mag, if I > don't get it to fire after tonight. The other engine is a IH, not sure of the model yet. > I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope to get it working so I can grind my own feed for my chickens. I plan to run it > off my 48 JD B. > > Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From wrl at gwltd.com Mon Oct 11 05:47:13 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:47:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IH Model LA Message-ID: <006f01c4af90$72576ca0$958c99a6@davem.com> Someone here on the list asked me what IH engine I had just purchased, It's a Model LA 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 horse. It's currently not running. I just started to work on it yesterday, and should not be any big deal. Needs a little TLC. Dave From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Oct 11 07:41:08 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:41:08 +0200 Subject: [SEL] IH Model LA References: <006f01c4af90$72576ca0$958c99a6@davem.com> Message-ID: <000a01c4afa0$58d15b00$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> I did Dave, I was curious if you had found an old Famous or Mogul. Never been at an auction there, heard about the high prices. Last year visited the old R&V buildings when we were at the R&V reunion. John H. Someone here on the list asked me what IH engine I had just purchased, It's a Model LA 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 horse. It's currently not running. I just started to work on it yesterday, and should not be any big deal. Needs a little TLC. Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Oct 11 07:49:20 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:49:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC References: <200410101720.i9AHKskr036937@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: Jimmy, I think he's the kinda guy that doesn't sell anything. He might trade. Will stay in touch with him. Take Care, Rick > Rick, Would he be interested in a trade for something that is closer to > running? This engine is missing several hundreds of dollars of parts > unless > they are in the barn for safe keeping. Give him a call and see if he'll > give > you the ser #. Good luck! > > Jim O'Hagan From b2 at chooka.net Mon Oct 11 08:14:00 2004 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:14:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <101120041007.5584.3731@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <002801c4afa4$eff31880$690a0a0a@BILLPC> Curt, I think there was a thread a while back on this, the stuff is no longer available. I just looked at the McMaster online catalog, they sell a belt dressing in a spray can, I'm sure there are other sources for such product. I've been kind of hoarding my can of Pulmore, using it sparingly, since I don't expect to find another...although I do keep an eye open at auctions. I found the can I have on the farm when my folks died. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, Minnesota USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL list" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:07 AM Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing > Does anyone know a source for Pulmore brand belt dressing? Realized I am > almost out as I like using it for my belts when grinding corn meal,etc. > thankyou in advance, > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Oct 11 09:27:04 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:27:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing In-Reply-To: <002801c4afa4$eff31880$690a0a0a@BILLPC> Message-ID: <200410111627.i9BGRDkr072662@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > I just looked at the McMaster online catalog, they sell a > belt dressing in a spray can, I'm sure there are other > sources for such product. Y'know... I've been hording my belt dressing and lamenting that it's no longer available. I couldn't understand WHY it's no longer being made, as it's far superior to the worthless spray on product. Then it hit me. Could it be that stick dressing is too much of a liability? The sale of such a product clearly implies that the manufacturer suggests that the user stick his hand inside moving machinery. There's no doubt that it's dangerous. You know it, I know it, the manufacturers know it. If an accident were to occur, the whimpering sheilas, their lawyers and their insurance companies would take the manufacturer to the cleaners. Rob 1 1/2 tubes remaining. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From bboyce at swat.coop Mon Oct 11 10:06:16 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:06:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update Message-ID: <003f01c4afb4$9f48a9d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> after several letters, several phone calls, and a trip to shreveport, i;ve finally gotten the best news so far...... heard from a gentlemen in the KCS corporate office in kansas city this morning,,, told me the engine was mine, free of any charge, and that the railroad would remove it for me,,, all i would need to do is bring a trailer to haul it home,,,,, of course, that still remains to be seen, but at least its a positive note,,,, first thing i;m gonna do is call the guy responsible for taking it down and kindly suggest some ideas for moving it without bending the crankshaft,,,,, also, i;m going to see if they will let go up on the tower and take some pictures before its removed,,,,, will update with any additional news,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From b2 at chooka.net Mon Oct 11 10:23:28 2004 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:23:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <200410111627.i9BGRDkr072662@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <003201c4afb7$062e7380$690a0a0a@BILLPC> Could well be, Rob. Must be a problem for the spray folks, too, although not quite like rubbing the stick on the inside of a running belt. The Pulmore I have is liquid form comes in a can with a little red spout to dribble it onto the belt. Kind of a real thin tar, wonder if one could mix up some roofing tar with kerosene to about that consistency. But the same thing, you gotta get inside the moving belt to put it on. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, Minnesota USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:27 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Belt Dressing > > I just looked at the McMaster online catalog, they sell a > > belt dressing in a spray can, I'm sure there are other > > sources for such product. > > Y'know... I've been hording my belt dressing and lamenting that it's no longer > available. I couldn't understand WHY it's no longer being made, as it's far > superior to the worthless spray on product. > > Then it hit me. Could it be that stick dressing is too much of a liability? > The sale of such a product clearly implies that the manufacturer suggests that > the user stick his hand inside moving machinery. There's no doubt that it's > dangerous. You know it, I know it, the manufacturers know it. > > If an accident were to occur, the whimpering sheilas, their lawyers and their > insurance companies would take the manufacturer to the cleaners. > > Rob > 1 1/2 tubes remaining. > > > > > > > > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 11 10:40:42 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:40:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <101120041007.5584.3731@mchsi.com> <002801c4afa4$eff31880$690a0a0a@BILLPC> Message-ID: <005001c4afb9$6ec17800$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > I've been kind of hoarding my can of Pulmore, using it sparingly, since I > don't expect to find another... there was some in a mixed lot on Ebay , in May From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Oct 11 10:41:59 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:41:59 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <101120041007.5584.3731@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <000a01c4afb9$9e0e14b0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Curt, I use a block of that stuff for my belts, I got it once from a lathe trader. Just had a phone call with a trader I know and he has some old fashion belt sticks on stock. October 31 we will meet each other at a swapmeet and he told me to bring the stuff along. Remember the good time we had at the R&V reunion last year, so I will send you one. Let you know when I have it. Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Does anyone know a source for Pulmore brand belt dressing? Realized I am > almost out as I like using it for my belts when grinding corn meal,etc. > thankyou in advance, > Curt Andree From diesel at easynet.co.uk Mon Oct 11 10:54:37 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:54:37 +0100 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update In-Reply-To: <003f01c4afb4$9f48a9d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> References: <003f01c4afb4$9f48a9d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:06:16 -0500, you wrote: >after several letters, several phone calls, and a trip to shreveport, i;ve finally gotten the best news so far...... heard from a gentlemen in the KCS corporate office in kansas city this morning,,, told me the engine was mine, free of any charge, and that the railroad would remove it for me,,, all i would need to do is bring a trailer to haul it home,,,,, of course, that still remains to be seen, but at least its a positive note,,,, first thing i;m gonna do is call the guy responsible for taking it down and kindly suggest some ideas for moving it without bending the crankshaft,,,,, also, i;m going to see if they will let go up on the tower and take some pictures before its removed,,,,, will update with any additional news,,, >bill boyce >lost prairie, arkansas That is great news Bill, we have been keeping an eye on the project to date, but this is the best kind of news you could get! Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Oct 11 11:09:30 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:09:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update In-Reply-To: <003f01c4afb4$9f48a9d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> References: <003f01c4afb4$9f48a9d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: Wow! John On Oct 11, 2004, at 1:06 PM, Bill Boyce wrote: > after several letters, several phone calls, and a trip to shreveport, > i;ve finally gotten the best news so far...... heard from a gentlemen > in the KCS corporate office in kansas city this morning,,, told me the > engine was mine, free of any charge, and that the railroad would > remove it for me,,, all i would need to do is bring a trailer to haul > it home,,,,, of course, that still remains to be seen, but at least > its a positive note,,,, first thing i;m gonna do is call the guy > responsible for taking it down and kindly suggest some ideas for > moving it without bending the crankshaft,,,,, also, i;m going to see > if they will let go up on the tower and take some pictures before its > removed,,,,, will update with any additional news,,, > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Oct 11 11:13:07 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:13:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update In-Reply-To: <003f01c4afb4$9f48a9d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <200410111813.i9BIDAkr091229@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> I 'd BUY a Vidio! Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Boyce Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:06 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update after several letters, several phone calls, and a trip to shreveport, i;ve finally gotten the best news so far...... heard from a gentlemen in the KCS corporate office in kansas city this morning,,, told me the engine was mine, free of any charge, and that the railroad would remove it for me,,, all i would need to do is bring a trailer to haul it home,,,,, of course, that still remains to be seen, but at least its a positive note,,,, first thing i;m gonna do is call the guy responsible for taking it down and kindly suggest some ideas for moving it without bending the crankshaft,,,,, also, i;m going to see if they will let go up on the tower and take some pictures before its removed,,,,, will update with any additional news,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at keyconn.net Mon Oct 11 15:17:38 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:17:38 -0800 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update In-Reply-To: <003f01c4afb4$9f48a9d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20041011141706.0230b008@mail.keyconn.net> Sounds GREAT Bill R Fink PA At 12:06 PM 10/11/2004 -0500, you wrote: >after several letters, several phone calls, and a trip to shreveport, i;ve >finally gotten the best news so far...... heard from a gentlemen in the >KCS corporate office in kansas city this morning,,, told me the engine was >mine, free of any charge, and that the railroad would remove it for me,,, >all i would need to do is bring a trailer to haul it home,,,,, of course, >that still remains to be seen, but at least its a positive note,,,, first >thing i;m gonna do is call the guy responsible for taking it down and >kindly suggest some ideas for moving it without bending the >crankshaft,,,,, also, i;m going to see if they will let go up on the >tower and take some pictures before its removed,,,,, will update with any >additional news,,, >bill boyce >lost prairie, arkansas >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wrl at gwltd.com Mon Oct 11 11:35:15 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:35:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT 1 Message-ID: <001c01c4afc1$136a50a0$0800005a@davem.com> Well, over the weekend I got the old stover running real well, had some small trouble with the governer, but we got it all adjusted right and now it purrs fine. I do have a question or two. 1. My Stover slings oil from one side of the crank, what type of seal is in there. I assume this was made before seals like we use today. I just finished rebuilding the engine on a 41, Ford 9n and the rear main seal was a kind of rope seal. 2. I plan to tear it all down and go thru it and then repaint this winter, right now the engine is red and the vavle push rod and governor linkages are yellow, anyone know the correct color/s also any links to pictures of this engine? Dave From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Oct 11 04:51:32 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:51:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon><000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3><001101c4af0e$757dd400$760d1bd3@athlon><002a01c4af20$e4464040$a5a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <003001c4af64$6f65a7e0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: <000201c4afcd$d840d320$300d1bd3@athlon> Ok, I apologise to the list for following this thread. I did not realise I was upsetting members to the extent I have. I will bear this in mind when commenting on future topics. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > Once again good on you Peter. > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 9:28 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > There must be some thing in the water! Let me explain to you Reg ,despite > > your extraordinary powers as to be able to know what goes on at our show, > > from the other side of the country ,ie your statement of NONE. We had the > > normal number of requests for membership forms ,kids and dads were showing > > the normal interest, the fence did not inhibit them. > > The very simple fact is that rules are rules and i say again that if you > > want to participate in this hobby and exhibit your engines or whatever in > > this country then ''Duty of Care '' is required. The NHMA do a job that > not > > many of us care to take on and they dont deserve the knocking. Cringe > > mentality.....................no just wanting to enjoy the hobby. what > they > > do in the US and the UK has nothing to do with they way things are run > here. > > There are many ,many people working to the rules and enjoying the > > hobby..........Horses for Courses Reg, why keep bitching ? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:16 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > > > > Peter, How many children and other interested people had the chance to > > > examine the exhibits? NONE! > > > How many potential new hobby members missed out? LOTS! > > > You just dont get it, do you? > > > I am NOT against insurance or fences. > > > I AM against the 'Cringe' mentality that has taken over this hobby. > > > Oh, it aint worth the bother!! Goodby. > > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "peter ogborne" > > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > > > > > > > Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about > > it....your > > > > eternal > > > > bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show > > > > surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I came > > > away > > > > after having a great week as did my fellow club members. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Mon Oct 11 13:08:57 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:08:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] nhma In-Reply-To: <000201c4afcd$d840d320$300d1bd3@athlon> References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon><000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3><001101c4af0e$757dd400$760d1bd3@athlon><002a01c4af20$e4464040$a5a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <003001c4af64$6f65a7e0$8a63fea9@sweeper> <000201c4afcd$d840d320$300d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:51:32 +1000, you wrote: >Ok, I apologise to the list for following this thread. >I did not realise I was upsetting members to the extent I have. >I will bear this in mind when commenting on future topics. >Reg & Marg Ingold. I don't think any apologies are needed, Reg, there are many strongly-held views that get aired on both Lists, and they are none the worse for it. Better in my view to have a strongly-held belief that is discussed openly than not to say anything at all. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 11 13:16:58 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:16:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <4.2.0.58.20041011141706.0230b008@mail.keyconn.net> Message-ID: <006c01c4afcf$436378a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> They have cranes that can pick it up in one piece and set it on a rail car , then set it on the customized low boy of your choice , it got up there didnt it ? This was a really big one like a 25 or 50 wasnt it ? From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Oct 11 13:42:56 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:42:56 +0100 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update Message-ID: <20041011.214257.146.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Yes indeed WOW. This requires lots of pictures and an article for GEM. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:06:16 -0500 "Bill Boyce" writes: > after several letters, several phone calls, and a trip to shreveport, > i;ve finally gotten the best news so far...... heard from a > gentlemen in the KCS corporate office in kansas city this morning,,, > told me the engine was mine, free of any charge, and that the > railroad would remove it for me,,, all i would need to do is bring a > trailer to haul it home,,,,, of course, that still remains to be > seen, but at least its a positive note,,,, first thing i;m gonna do > is call the guy responsible for taking it down and kindly suggest > some ideas for moving it without bending the crankshaft,,,,, also, > i;m going to see if they will let go up on the tower and take some > pictures before its removed,,,,, will update with any additional > news,,, > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Mon Oct 11 14:10:22 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:10:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update Message-ID: <002901c4afd6$b918f820$10690b42@gnarmstrong> Good for you, Bill. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Boyce To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Monday, October 11, 2004 12:24 PM Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update >after several letters, several phone calls, and a trip to shreveport, i;ve finally gotten the best news so far...... heard from a gentlemen in the KCS corporate office in kansas city this morning,,, told me the engine was mine, free of any charge, and that the railroad would remove it for me,,, all i would need to do is bring a trailer to haul it home,,,,, of course, that still remains to be seen, but at least its a positive note,,,, first thing i;m gonna do is call the guy responsible for taking it down and kindly suggest some ideas for moving it without bending the crankshaft,,,,, also, i;m going to see if they will let go up on the tower and take some pictures before its removed,,,,, will update with any additional news,,, >bill boyce >lost prairie, arkansas >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jeffchattin at msn.com Mon Oct 11 14:55:59 2004 From: jeffchattin at msn.com (jeff chattin) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:55:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <4.2.0.58.20041011141706.0230b008@mail.keyconn.net> <006c01c4afcf$436378a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: I MUST OF MISSED IT . WHAT KIND OF ENGINE IS IT ? ----- Original Message ----- From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] bridge engine update They have cranes that can pick it up in one piece and set it on a rail car , then set it on the customized low boy of your choice , it got up there didnt it ? This was a really big one like a 25 or 50 wasnt it ? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From adamcottrill at telstra.com Mon Oct 11 15:50:56 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:50:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA Message-ID: Gents and Ladies, to abtain NHMA insurance the following must occur... 1. You must be a member of an affiliated club (there are close to 150 of them I believe) 2. You must be an exhibitor to enter a compound and of course hold an insurance card from your Club I admit in some minor respects this system is open for abuse in regards to what one of you guys mentioned walking into a compound and sticking your head in a flywheel, however the above mentioned steps are in place to reduce abuse as you where able to previously buy insurance direct as an individual. The NHMA covers personal accident as well as public liability, transit and voluntry workers. One of your guys mentioned the key word "due care" or "duty of care" this is the keystone to everything the NHMA policy represents, no one is suggesting for a minute that fences and everything else in the safty guidelines 100% stop someone from getting hurt! IF anyone does their dreamin!! However we are reducing the risk or liklyhood of that happening and by doing that the cost of the policy is reduced which is favourable for everyone. The end result in my opinion is peice of mind and evolution of the hobby in todays social environment..... Ask some common Joe today what hay press is 9 times out of 10 they wont know! 15years ago I would guess it would be more like 6 or 7 out of 10 would know. And even today you would be surpised at how many people dont know how to change a tyre on a car or open the bonnet!!!! The common person doesnt know what hay presses are which bits of engines are hot or can give you an electric shock and to that end we are trying to protect them from social ignorance of our fantastic hobby which is all about days gone. Cheers, Adam From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Mon Oct 11 16:00:33 2004 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:30:33 +0930 Subject: [SEL] Oz Liability Insurance Message-ID: <000d01c4afe6$4c551600$bb38fea9@SKitto> I have been following this thread on NHMA and insurance and fences. I think there is a lot of misunderstanding about the whole matter. On the house where I live I am required to have liability insurance. (A$20000000). It is my responsibility to provide a safe situation and thus limit the potential for any claim. ie if I leave a water hose across the pathway too my door and somebody is injured on it, then a claim is made against me, and in turn the Insurance company. Our Church Building, which is classified as a public building is the same. The onus is on the management to ensure that we have a safe place. This is also required under Occupational HEalth and safety. One catch is that if we knowingly allow a situation to exist that has the potential to cause injury, then the liability can pass to the individaul members of that body, in this case all church members. In South Australia, many organisations are incorporated. This takes the liability away from individual members unless they knowingly allow an unsafe, illegal, etc practice to continue. All members then become liable for the loss. Whilst the organisation may have liability insurance, it is possible for the members of the organisation to be sued for the loss. Our requirements are to be as diligent as possible to present as safe asituation as possible. It comes under, as someone has mentioned, Duty of Care, which is part of our common law. I want to comment on the NHMA situation. Our club is affiliated with NHMA and we use their insurance, and we we exhibit as a club, or at a rally which the host club is using NHMA insurance, then we are obliged to follow their guidelines under which the insurance has been offered. This weekend our local town is holding a Coutry Fair. I can take my engines, if I choose and exhibit them on my own. My household liabilty insurance will cover my, I don't have to have a fence, peice of rope or a scratch in the dirt, but I must provide through a duty of care an environment that will minimise the potential risk of injury. And the easiest way to do that is to fence it off. Might as well go to the club sight, and talk with the rest. I'll stop talking now. Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Oct 11 16:31:55 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:31:55 +0800 Subject: [SEL] NHMA..drifting off to oil $ References: Message-ID: <005901c4afea$9d9719b0$8ca226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Exactly Adam............duty of care in this modern days environment!As you say some people do not know anything about the type of exhibits we show. They are very interested but they do need some kind of protection even though it may be a FENCE. Obviously the aficionado will be ok but they don't wear signs on their hats telling all that they are fully aware of the potential hazards. Unfortunately litigation is at the stage now where lawyers advertise that they can get the money for you . Where did this all start.................? Anyway I am going to the shed now to contemplate the rising cost of oil ....................that's another story! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:50 AM Subject: [SEL] NHMA > > Gents and Ladies, > to abtain NHMA insurance the following must occur... > > 1. You must be a member of an affiliated club (there are close to 150 of them I believe) > > 2. You must be an exhibitor to enter a compound and of course hold an insurance card from your Club > > > I admit in some minor respects this system is open for abuse in regards to what one of you guys mentioned walking into a compound and sticking your head in a flywheel, however the above mentioned steps are in place to reduce abuse as you where able to previously buy insurance direct as an individual. > > The NHMA covers personal accident as well as public liability, transit and voluntry workers. > > One of your guys mentioned the key word "due care" or "duty of care" this is the keystone to everything the NHMA policy represents, no one is suggesting for a minute that fences and everything else in the safty guidelines 100% stop someone from getting hurt! IF anyone does their dreamin!! > > However we are reducing the risk or liklyhood of that happening and by doing that the cost of the policy is reduced which is favourable for everyone. > > The end result in my opinion is peice of mind and evolution of the hobby in todays social environment..... Ask some common Joe today what hay press is 9 times out of 10 they wont know! 15years ago I would guess it would be more like 6 or 7 out of 10 would know. And even today you would be surpised at how many people dont know how to change a tyre on a car or open the bonnet!!!! > > The common person doesnt know what hay presses are which bits of engines are hot or can give you an electric shock and to that end we are trying to protect them from social ignorance of our fantastic hobby which is all about days gone. > > Cheers, > Adam > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From BetCleve321 at aol.com Mon Oct 11 16:55:36 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:55:36 EDT Subject: [SEL] NHMA..drifting off to oil $ Message-ID: <194.2f81f783.2e9c7778@aol.com> In a message dated 10/11/2004 7:50:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, jopeter at omninet.net.au writes: Unfortunately litigation is at the stage now where lawyers advertise that they can get the money for you . Where did this all start.................? When people started insuring themselves. The more insurance you get, the better legal representation you can get. Of course, now you will be worth suing. It's the cash, baby. Skip From sleis at mwt.net Mon Oct 11 19:04:08 2004 From: sleis at mwt.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:04:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <200410111813.i9BIDAkr091229@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <004c01c4afff$c327c020$1b55becf@computer> I'd Buy a video too :-) Stacy From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 11 17:02:14 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:02:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <003f01c4afb4$9f48a9d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <016201c4afee$c3872df0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Hey Bill if this works out for you please get in touch with me and let me know your modus operande so I can apply it to the bridge engine I have located about six miles from me. I will not do anything until you have your deal finalized so as not to jeopardize anything you are doing. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Boyce" To: Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 12:06 PM Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update after several letters, several phone calls, and a trip to shreveport, i;ve finally gotten the best news so far...... heard from a gentlemen in the KCS corporate office in kansas city this morning,,, told me the engine was mine, free of any charge, and that the railroad would remove it for me,,, all i would need to do is bring a trailer to haul it home,,,,, of course, that still remains to be seen, but at least its a positive note,,,, first thing i;m gonna do is call the guy responsible for taking it down and kindly suggest some ideas for moving it without bending the crankshaft,,,,, also, i;m going to see if they will let go up on the tower and take some pictures before its removed,,,,, will update with any additional news,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Carrowor at comcast.net Mon Oct 11 17:13:44 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:13:44 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Pump???? Message-ID: <416B21B8.000003.02108@NOTEBOOK> Awhile back I was conversing with somebody out here who was looking for a pump. Please re-contact me about this. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Oct 11 17:33:40 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:33:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] NHMA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011202323.01fe8508@mail.alltel.net> At 06:50 PM 10/11/2004, you wrote: >Gents and Ladies, >I admit in some minor respects this system is open for abuse Cheers, > Adam Hi Adam, Of all the bull shit posted to the list on NHMA, yours is the BEST! Your latest justification for the fences had me ROTFLMFAO! Please keep posting the latest MHMA bull shit on insurance and fences--we all need a laugh from time to time! Dave PS, Three drag saws and an IHC cut off saw were running at the Cotton Ginning Show this weekend. No fences and ONLY three arms and one leg cut off. No big deal--actually it cleans out the gene pool a bit! PPS, Pictures of the carnage will be posted soon! From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Oct 11 17:40:23 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:40:23 EDT Subject: [SEL] JD Grain Elevator Message-ID: <78.6316a1bc.2e9c81f7@aol.com> In a message dated 10/10/2004 8:56:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: << The owner has assurred us that it is not for sale, >> Rick, Beautiful! Keep checking back once a year, and maybe put some oil on parts if they will let you and they will see your continued interest. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Oct 11 17:43:45 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:43:45 EDT Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update Message-ID: In a message dated 10/11/2004 1:27:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bboyce at swat.coop writes: << told me the engine was mine, free of any charge, and that the railroad would remove it for me >> Bill, GRRREAT!!!!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From clemsweller at earthlink.net Mon Oct 11 17:59:33 2004 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:59:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] nhma In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000d01c4aff6$c4b18380$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Here in the United States of America, we call it Freedom of Speech! Stay with it Reg. Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter A Forbes Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 3:09 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:51:32 +1000, you wrote: >Ok, I apologise to the list for following this thread. >I did not realise I was upsetting members to the extent I have. >I will bear this in mind when commenting on future topics. >Reg & Marg Ingold. I don't think any apologies are needed, Reg, there are many strongly-held views that get aired on both Lists, and they are none the worse for it. Better in my view to have a strongly-held belief that is discussed openly than not to say anything at all. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Oct 11 18:13:13 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:13:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing In-Reply-To: <003201c4afb7$062e7380$690a0a0a@BILLPC> Message-ID: <200410120113.i9C1DHkr069760@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > The Pulmore I have is liquid form comes in a can with a > little red spout to > dribble it onto the belt. Kind of a real thin tar, wonder if > one could mix > up some roofing tar with kerosene to about that consistency. Y'know... somewhere in one of my old books was a recipe for belt dressing. It contained tallow, fish oil and some other kind of oil, but the key ingredient was rosin. I've got no clue where to find rosin. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From clemsweller at earthlink.net Mon Oct 11 18:17:25 2004 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:17:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c4aff9$45525e40$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> I'm just curious though, how much is the fencing gonna cost all the way up to that bridge? Gotta keep the NMHA happy you know! Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:44 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] bridge engine update In a message dated 10/11/2004 1:27:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bboyce at swat.coop writes: << told me the engine was mine, free of any charge, and that the railroad would remove it for me >> Bill, GRRREAT!!!!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Oct 11 18:25:10 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:25:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing In-Reply-To: <200410120113.i9C1DHkr069760@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> References: <003201c4afb7$062e7380$690a0a0a@BILLPC> <200410120113.i9C1DHkr069760@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011212309.01fd9ec0@mail.alltel.net> > I've got no clue where to find rosin. >Rob Skinner I still have Rosin's phone number. Shall I send it to you off List? Will Kelley object if I do so? Dave From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon Oct 11 19:37:04 2004 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:37:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <200410120113.i9C1DHkr069760@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <002501c4b004$5c7a4050$57bb2304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Go rub your hands on a pine tree. Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 6:13 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Belt Dressing > > > The Pulmore I have is liquid form comes in a can with a > > little red spout to > > dribble it onto the belt. Kind of a real thin tar, wonder if > > one could mix > > up some roofing tar with kerosene to about that consistency. > > > Y'know... somewhere in one of my old books was a recipe for belt dressing. It > contained tallow, fish oil and some other kind of oil, but the key ingredient > was rosin. I've got no clue where to find rosin. > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com Mon Oct 11 20:07:26 2004 From: BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com (barry gorman) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:07:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <000d01c4aff6$c4b18380$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <014201c4b008$a0550590$65218b90@userw32g91tqfi> Chuck , here in our country we believe in freedom , free speech and , FTW. WE ARE AUSTRALIANS . Barry G. The Glorious Hunter Valley AUSTRALIA BarryandPamGorman at bigpond,com ----- Original Message ----- From: "chuck emsweller" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:59 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] nhma > Here in the United States of America, we call it Freedom of Speech! > Stay with it Reg. > > Chuck Emsweller > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter A > Forbes > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 3:09 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:51:32 +1000, you wrote: > > >Ok, I apologise to the list for following this thread. > >I did not realise I was upsetting members to the extent I have. > >I will bear this in mind when commenting on future topics. > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > > I don't think any apologies are needed, Reg, there are many > strongly-held views > that get aired on both Lists, and they are none the worse for it. > > Better in my view to have a strongly-held belief that is discussed > openly than > not to say anything at all. > > Peter > > -- > Peter & Rita Forbes > Email Address: > diesel at easynet.co.uk > Web Pages for Engine Preservation: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From clemsweller at earthlink.net Mon Oct 11 20:33:48 2004 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:33:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] nhma In-Reply-To: <014201c4b008$a0550590$65218b90@userw32g91tqfi> Message-ID: <000201c4b00c$552e99b0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Yes, I understand you are Australians. Does that mean you do not believe in freedom of speech? Is that why you continually harass Reg and others in your country that speak out on what they believe? Chuck -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of barry gorman Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:07 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma Chuck , here in our country we believe in freedom , free speech and , FTW. WE ARE AUSTRALIANS . Barry G. The Glorious Hunter Valley AUSTRALIA BarryandPamGorman at bigpond,com ----- Original Message ----- From: "chuck emsweller" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:59 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] nhma > Here in the United States of America, we call it Freedom of Speech! > Stay with it Reg. > > Chuck Emsweller > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter A > Forbes > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 3:09 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:51:32 +1000, you wrote: > > >Ok, I apologise to the list for following this thread. > >I did not realise I was upsetting members to the extent I have. > >I will bear this in mind when commenting on future topics. > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > > I don't think any apologies are needed, Reg, there are many > strongly-held views > that get aired on both Lists, and they are none the worse for it. > > Better in my view to have a strongly-held belief that is discussed > openly than > not to say anything at all. > > Peter > > -- > Peter & Rita Forbes > Email Address: > diesel at easynet.co.uk > Web Pages for Engine Preservation: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Oct 11 20:38:04 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:38:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] nhma - speak for what you believe or lose that right too In-Reply-To: <00cd01c4af29$c3b38aa0$0100a8c0@Portable> Message-ID: <003f01c4b00c$e3cdfbc0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> I suspect Reg believes that the only way to get things changed if one believes they need to be changed, is to speak out. For if no one speaks for what they believe, there won't be much left to enjoy as those who follow will gladly do so, no matter where it leads. Those who speak out help to found nations - and keep them free and safe. And more locally, they help to keep the hobby alive and fun. Fences drives everyone down the the lowest common denominator - speaking against them helps to overcome the reasons for them and keep things free and fun. Once saw a movie - it was chilling - it was a political statement of course - in this movie, the government, instead of bringing those up who are down, instead of helping those with handicaps to do better and _FOR THEMSELVES_, the government insisted that everyone be brought down to meet the less fortunate, to themselves have to live with and experience handicaps. To leave your home, you had to "put on your handicap" - weighted vests and belts and other devices to take you down a level, to make it very difficult to stand and walk, impossible to run - and no one spoke up about it......... Here ya go Rob - where is THIS from? [First Man:] I think, I think I am, therefore I am, I think. [Establishment:] Of course you are my bright little star, I've miles And miles Of files Pretty files of your forefather's fruit and now to suit our great computer, You're magnetic ink. [First Man:] I'm more than that, I know I am, at least, I think I must be. [Inner Man:] There you go man, keep as cool as you can. Face piles And piles Of trials With smiles. It riles them to believe that you perceive the web they weave And keep on thinking free. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 7:32 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma Well spoke!! Ray Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > There must be some thing in the water! Let me explain to you Reg > ,despite your extraordinary powers as to be able to know what goes on > at our show, from the other side of the country ,ie your statement of > NONE. We had the normal number of requests for membership forms ,kids > and dads were showing the normal interest, the fence did not inhibit > them. The very simple fact is that rules are rules and i say again > that if you want to participate in this hobby and exhibit your engines > or whatever in this country then ''Duty of Care '' is required. The > NHMA do a job that not many of us care to take on and they dont > deserve the knocking. Cringe mentality.....................no just > wanting to enjoy the hobby. what they > do in the US and the UK has nothing to do with they way things are run > here. > There are many ,many people working to the rules and enjoying the > hobby..........Horses for Courses Reg, why keep bitching ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:16 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > >> Peter, How many children and other interested people had the chance >> to examine the exhibits? NONE! How many potential new hobby members >> missed out? LOTS! You just dont get it, do you? >> I am NOT against insurance or fences. >> I AM against the 'Cringe' mentality that has taken over this hobby. >> Oh, it aint worth the bother!! Goodby. >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "peter ogborne" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma >> >> >> > Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about > it....your >> > eternal >> > bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal >> > Show surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or >> > vandalism. I came >> away >> > after having a great week as did my fellow club members. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bboyce at swat.coop Mon Oct 11 20:46:25 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:46:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <4.2.0.58.20041011141706.0230b008@mail.keyconn.net><006c01c4afcf$436378a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <005701c4b00e$0c64cd60$6401a8c0@BillyBob> I MUST OF MISSED IT . WHAT KIND OF ENGINE IS IT ? ----- Original Message ----- still not sure just what it is,, 100 yards is as close as i;ve been able to get to it, and cant get a good enuf view thru a spotting scope to identify it,,,however, i've been told that the rail way companies were famous for using fairbanks morse model n's for this purpose, and i;ve seen an n that came from a bridge in eastern arkansas, so i;m hopeful that's what it is,,,,, and i;m guessing from the size that its in the 20 hp range,,, will keep yall updated with any new developments,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Oct 11 20:47:49 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:47:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <000201c4b00c$552e99b0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <000d01c4b00e$3eaccfc0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Chuck We believe in freedom of speech very strongly in OZ. And we can harass Reg just as he harasses the NHMA. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "chuck emsweller" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:33 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] nhma > Yes, I understand you are Australians. Does that mean you do not > believe in freedom of speech? Is that why you continually harass Reg > and others in your country that speak out on what they believe? > > Chuck > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of barry > gorman > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:07 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > Chuck , > here in our country we believe in freedom , > free speech and , > > FTW. WE ARE AUSTRALIANS . > > > > Barry G. > The Glorious Hunter Valley > AUSTRALIA > BarryandPamGorman at bigpond,com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chuck emsweller" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:59 AM > Subject: RE: [SEL] nhma > > > > Here in the United States of America, we call it Freedom of Speech! > > Stay with it Reg. > > > > Chuck Emsweller > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter A > > Forbes > > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 3:09 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:51:32 +1000, you wrote: > > > > >Ok, I apologise to the list for following this thread. > > >I did not realise I was upsetting members to the extent I have. > > >I will bear this in mind when commenting on future topics. > > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > > > > I don't think any apologies are needed, Reg, there are many > > strongly-held views > > that get aired on both Lists, and they are none the worse for it. > > > > Better in my view to have a strongly-held belief that is discussed > > openly than > > not to say anything at all. > > > > Peter > > > > -- > > Peter & Rita Forbes > > Email Address: > > diesel at easynet.co.uk > > Web Pages for Engine Preservation: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bboyce at swat.coop Mon Oct 11 21:04:08 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:04:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update < Paul > References: <003f01c4afb4$9f48a9d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> <016201c4afee$c3872df0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <000701c4b010$866de1d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Hey Bill if this works out for you please get in touch with me and let me > know your modus operande so I can apply it to the bridge engine I have > located about six miles from me. I will not do anything until you have your > deal finalized so as not to jeopardize anything you are doing. > > Paul Paul,,,,will be glad to help in any way,, according to one of the guys i;ve talked with, the letter i sent to the CEO of KCS was the winning ticket,,,, i mentioned the history of the particular bridge the engine is located on, < i did a little research in on it, and found that its the oldest railroad bridge in louisana >, and what a shame it would be to let such a piece of railway history just rust away,,,,,, mentioned seeing a restored bridge engine on display at a show, and how the "old railroad men" were gathered round it swapping stories,,,explained what an "engine show" was,,,,, told him i would be happy to give KCS recognition in the documentation that would be displayed along with the engine,,,, yada yada yada,,, will be glad to send you copies of the letters i sent,,, bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] bridge engine update > From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Oct 11 21:27:07 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:27:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <003f01c4afb4$9f48a9d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <004d01c4b013$bc8de6e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Great news Bill. Try to film it and sell the video or DVD to help with expenses on your end. What a great video that would be, and as you have seen, there are several that would purchase it, including me. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Boyce" To: Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:06 AM Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update after several letters, several phone calls, and a trip to shreveport, i;ve finally gotten the best news so far...... heard from a gentlemen in the KCS corporate office in kansas city this morning,,, told me the engine was mine, free of any charge, and that the railroad would remove it for me,,, all i would need to do is bring a trailer to haul it home,,,,, of course, that still remains to be seen, but at least its a positive note,,,, first thing i;m gonna do is call the guy responsible for taking it down and kindly suggest some ideas for moving it without bending the crankshaft,,,,, also, i;m going to see if they will let go up on the tower and take some pictures before its removed,,,,, will update with any additional news,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Oct 11 21:51:42 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:51:42 +0800 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011202323.01fe8508@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <004601c4b017$2ed9d260$99a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Interesting.........some get very hot under the collar about this subject and it seems that those of us who are literally steaming about this are those from the US.I recall that this started as an Australian issue and don't come on with all the bullshit about freedom of speech. It would seem to me that the majority of us here in Australia are quite happy to conform and that doesn't mean to be submissive. We just seem to think it is a good arrangement, it does not affect those in the US or the UK or anywhere else for that matter...........so we will just go on enjoying the hobby and leave the stress to the others . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA > At 06:50 PM 10/11/2004, you wrote: > > >Gents and Ladies, > >I admit in some minor respects this system is open for abuse Cheers, > > Adam > > Hi Adam, > Of all the bull shit posted to the list on NHMA, yours is the > BEST! Your latest justification for the fences had me ROTFLMFAO! Please > keep posting the latest MHMA bull shit on insurance and fences--we all need > a laugh from time to time! > Dave > PS, Three drag saws and an IHC cut off saw were running at the Cotton > Ginning Show this weekend. No fences and ONLY three arms and one leg cut > off. No big deal--actually it cleans out the gene pool a bit! > PPS, Pictures of the carnage will be posted soon! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bboyce at swat.coop Mon Oct 11 22:11:37 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:11:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <003f01c4afb4$9f48a9d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> <004d01c4b013$bc8de6e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <000701c4b019$f3a033d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> jeff,,, never even thought of making a video of it, much less of selling it,,, guess its a thought, though,,,, havent had the camcorder out in years,, i bet the battery is bad by now,,,,i just hope the railroad people will let me know when they're going to move it, its 75 miles from here,,, and they are so hard to reach by phone,,, i tried all day to talk to the guys where the engine is, but never got anyone or received a return call,, they're an independent bunch, it seems,,,, bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] bridge engine update > Great news Bill. Try to film it and sell the video or DVD to help with > expenses on your end. What a great video that would be, and as you have > seen, there are several that would purchase it, including me. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Boyce" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:06 AM > Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update > > > after several letters, several phone calls, and a trip to shreveport, i;ve > finally gotten the best news so far...... heard from a gentlemen in the KCS > corporate office in kansas city this morning,,, told me the engine was mine, > free of any charge, and that the railroad would remove it for me,,, all i > would need to do is bring a trailer to haul it home,,,,, of course, that > still remains to be seen, but at least its a positive note,,,, first thing > i;m gonna do is call the guy responsible for taking it down and kindly > suggest some ideas for moving it without bending the crankshaft,,,,, also, > i;m going to see if they will let go up on the tower and take some pictures > before its removed,,,,, will update with any additional news,,, > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Oct 11 23:18:07 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:18:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma - speak for what you believe or lose that right too References: <003f01c4b00c$e3cdfbc0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <001101c4b023$3dfad850$8a63fea9@sweeper> Hi Bill Reg knows as well as us that if he wants to have things changed all he needs to do is get elected to the NHMA Committee and bring his ideas forward. I am sure the rest of the Association (us) would be keen for this and he could then get the Insurance company to change their requirements and also the local Councils and State governments to change their relevant legislation. I hope he does. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:38 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] nhma - speak for what you believe or lose that right too > I suspect Reg believes that the only way to get things changed if one > believes they need to be changed, is to speak out. > For if no one speaks for what they believe, there won't be much left to > enjoy as those who follow will gladly do so, no matter where it leads. > > Those who speak out help to found nations - and keep them free and safe. > And more locally, they help to keep the hobby alive and fun. > > Fences drives everyone down the the lowest common denominator - speaking > against them helps to overcome the reasons for them and keep things free and > fun. > > Once saw a movie - it was chilling - it was a political statement of course > - in this movie, the government, instead of bringing those up who are down, > instead of helping those with handicaps to do better and _FOR THEMSELVES_, > the government insisted that everyone be brought down to meet the less > fortunate, to themselves have to live with and experience handicaps. To > leave your home, you had to "put on your handicap" - weighted vests and > belts and other devices to take you down a level, to make it very difficult > to stand and walk, impossible to run - and no one spoke up about it......... > > > Here ya go Rob - where is THIS from? > > [First Man:] I think, I think I am, therefore I am, I think. > > [Establishment:] Of course you are my bright little star, > I've miles > And miles > Of files > Pretty files of your forefather's fruit > and now to suit our > great computer, > You're magnetic ink. > > [First Man:] I'm more than that, I know I am, at least, I think I must be. > > [Inner Man:] There you go man, keep as cool as you can. > Face piles > And piles > Of trials > With smiles. > It riles them to believe > that you perceive > the web they weave > And keep on thinking free. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ray Freeman > Portable Line Boring > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 7:32 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > Well spoke!! > > Ray > Portable Line Boring > http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > plb at plb.iinet.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:28 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > There must be some thing in the water! Let me explain to you Reg > > ,despite your extraordinary powers as to be able to know what goes on > > at our show, from the other side of the country ,ie your statement of > > NONE. We had the normal number of requests for membership forms ,kids > > and dads were showing the normal interest, the fence did not inhibit > > them. The very simple fact is that rules are rules and i say again > > that if you want to participate in this hobby and exhibit your engines > > or whatever in this country then ''Duty of Care '' is required. The > > NHMA do a job that not many of us care to take on and they dont > > deserve the knocking. Cringe mentality.....................no just > > wanting to enjoy the hobby. what they > > do in the US and the UK has nothing to do with they way things are run > > here. > > There are many ,many people working to the rules and enjoying the > > hobby..........Horses for Courses Reg, why keep bitching ? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:16 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > > >> Peter, How many children and other interested people had the chance > >> to examine the exhibits? NONE! How many potential new hobby members > >> missed out? LOTS! You just dont get it, do you? > >> I am NOT against insurance or fences. > >> I AM against the 'Cringe' mentality that has taken over this hobby. > >> Oh, it aint worth the bother!! Goodby. > >> Reg & Marg Ingold. > >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "peter ogborne" > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > >> > >> > >> > Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about > > it....your > >> > eternal > >> > bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal > >> > Show surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or > >> > vandalism. I came > >> away > >> > after having a great week as did my fellow club members. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Oct 11 23:18:48 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:18:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011202323.01fe8508@mail.alltel.net> <004601c4b017$2ed9d260$99a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <001b01c4b023$565c9af0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Thanks Pete. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA > Interesting.........some get very hot under the collar about this subject > and it seems that those of us who are literally steaming about this are > those from the US.I recall that this started as an Australian issue and > don't come on with all the bullshit about freedom of speech. It would seem > to me that the majority of us here in Australia are quite happy to conform > and that doesn't mean to be submissive. We just seem to think it is a good > arrangement, it does not affect those in the US or the UK or anywhere else > for that matter...........so we will just go on enjoying the hobby and leave > the stress to the others . > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:33 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA > > > > At 06:50 PM 10/11/2004, you wrote: > > > > >Gents and Ladies, > > >I admit in some minor respects this system is open for abuse Cheers, > > > Adam > > > > Hi Adam, > > Of all the bull shit posted to the list on NHMA, yours is the > > BEST! Your latest justification for the fences had me ROTFLMFAO! Please > > keep posting the latest MHMA bull shit on insurance and fences--we all > need > > a laugh from time to time! > > Dave > > PS, Three drag saws and an IHC cut off saw were running at the Cotton > > Ginning Show this weekend. No fences and ONLY three arms and one leg cut > > off. No big deal--actually it cleans out the gene pool a bit! > > PPS, Pictures of the carnage will be posted soon! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com Tue Oct 12 00:25:53 2004 From: BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com (barry gorman) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:25:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <000201c4b00c$552e99b0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <016a01c4b02c$bc068510$65218b90@userw32g91tqfi> Chuck ,apparently you did not read the words that I have written , But reading into what I said , your own interpretation In my mail nobody was harassed I simply made a statement of fact , Regards Barry G. The Glorious Hunter Valley AUSTRALIA BarryandPamGorman at bigpond,com ----- Original Message ----- From: "chuck emsweller" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:33 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] nhma > Yes, I understand you are Australians. Does that mean you do not > believe in freedom of speech? Is that why you continually harass Reg > and others in your country that speak out on what they believe? > > Chuck > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of barry > gorman > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:07 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > Chuck , > here in our country we believe in freedom , > free speech and , > > FTW. WE ARE AUSTRALIANS . > > > > Barry G. > The Glorious Hunter Valley > AUSTRALIA > BarryandPamGorman at bigpond,com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chuck emsweller" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:59 AM > Subject: RE: [SEL] nhma > > > > Here in the United States of America, we call it Freedom of Speech! > > Stay with it Reg. > > > > Chuck Emsweller > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter A > > Forbes > > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 3:09 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:51:32 +1000, you wrote: > > > > >Ok, I apologise to the list for following this thread. > > >I did not realise I was upsetting members to the extent I have. > > >I will bear this in mind when commenting on future topics. > > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > > > > I don't think any apologies are needed, Reg, there are many > > strongly-held views > > that get aired on both Lists, and they are none the worse for it. > > > > Better in my view to have a strongly-held belief that is discussed > > openly than > > not to say anything at all. > > > > Peter > > > > -- > > Peter & Rita Forbes > > Email Address: > > diesel at easynet.co.uk > > Web Pages for Engine Preservation: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Oct 12 02:29:30 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:29:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <000201c4b00c$552e99b0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> <016a01c4b02c$bc068510$65218b90@userw32g91tqfi> Message-ID: <000601c4b03d$fa5f26d0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Barry I was going to use such as "statement of fact" myself and also "emotive". Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "barry gorman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > Chuck ,apparently you did not read the words > that I have written , > But reading into what I said , your own interpretation > In my mail nobody was harassed I simply made a statement of fact , > Regards > Barry G. > The Glorious Hunter Valley > AUSTRALIA > BarryandPamGorman at bigpond,com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chuck emsweller" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:33 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] nhma > > > > Yes, I understand you are Australians. Does that mean you do not > > believe in freedom of speech? Is that why you continually harass Reg > > and others in your country that speak out on what they believe? > > > > Chuck > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of barry > > gorman > > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:07 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > Chuck , > > here in our country we believe in freedom , > > free speech and , > > > > FTW. WE ARE AUSTRALIANS . > > > > > > > > Barry G. > > The Glorious Hunter Valley > > AUSTRALIA > > BarryandPamGorman at bigpond,com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "chuck emsweller" > > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:59 AM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] nhma > > > > > > > Here in the United States of America, we call it Freedom of Speech! > > > Stay with it Reg. > > > > > > Chuck Emsweller > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter A > > > Forbes > > > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 3:09 PM > > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > > > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:51:32 +1000, you wrote: > > > > > > >Ok, I apologise to the list for following this thread. > > > >I did not realise I was upsetting members to the extent I have. > > > >I will bear this in mind when commenting on future topics. > > > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > > > > > > I don't think any apologies are needed, Reg, there are many > > > strongly-held views > > > that get aired on both Lists, and they are none the worse for it. > > > > > > Better in my view to have a strongly-held belief that is discussed > > > openly than > > > not to say anything at all. > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > -- > > > Peter & Rita Forbes > > > Email Address: > > > diesel at easynet.co.uk > > > Web Pages for Engine Preservation: > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Oct 12 04:10:22 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:10:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <000201c4b00c$552e99b0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> <016a01c4b02c$bc068510$65218b90@userw32g91tqfi> <000601c4b03d$fa5f26d0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: <416BBB9E.FFDB89B9@insulate.co.uk> I realise this subject is getting a little heated, but PLEASE could you all try to remember polite netiquette? One of these mails had SEVEN list sig lines. For those who want to get into a discussion about freedom of speech, a more appropriate place is the Slick Willie Mailing List. To subscribe, send an email to slick-request at toltbbs.com with only subscribe in the body or subject of the message. Also, I believe it is relevent for those of us from the UK and US to discuss what is happening is Oz, as it is a direction other insurance companies and national clubs may try to follow - forewarned is forearmed! If we can't discuss what is happening around the world and even at other clubs, it makes this list a little pointless. Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From galoway4 at earthlink.net Tue Oct 12 04:36:16 2004 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 06:36:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <200410120113.i9C1DHkr069760@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <001501c4b04f$b1b0de80$86d65a42@jake> Pine Tree ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 8:13 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Belt Dressing > > > The Pulmore I have is liquid form comes in a can with a > > little red spout to > > dribble it onto the belt. Kind of a real thin tar, wonder if > > one could mix > > up some roofing tar with kerosene to about that consistency. > > > Y'know... somewhere in one of my old books was a recipe for belt dressing. It > contained tallow, fish oil and some other kind of oil, but the key ingredient > was rosin. I've got no clue where to find rosin. > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Tue Oct 12 06:00:53 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:00:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] NHMA In-Reply-To: <004601c4b017$2ed9d260$99a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011202323.01fe8508@mail.alltel.net> <004601c4b017$2ed9d260$99a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <416BD585.5030806@imc-group.com> peter ogborne wrote: It would seem to me that the majority of us here in Australia are quite happy to conform and that doesn't mean to be submissive. Ah the sheep continue to be shorn..... I have been following this thread with great interest most due to the fact that Missy and I will have the opportunity to experience the fences first hand in a few months. At the same time I have been very leery of commenting on any of this because soon I will be a guest of your country and do not want to alienate any Australians before ever setting foot there. So I will limit my comments to simply observatory and will attempt to not pass judgment on them....yet. One item that was a real eye opener was the tremendous homeowner liability insurance requirement one mentioned. I think I counted the zeros right and that was 20 million of personal liability insurance required for the homeowner!!! I'd venture to say most American's homeowner liability insurance never exceeds the 1 million mark. And guess what, liability insurance is NOT a requirement for the homeowner here. The fact that Australia requires it is the very definition of a monopoly. Here in the states you carry liability insurance to protect your personal assets against lawsuit. There is little sense in insuring yourself for much more than the value of your personal assets. If you feel you do not want the protection of homeowner liability insurance you don't have to carry it. The fact that your monopolistic insurance carriers have lobbied your legislators requiring you carry these huge liability policies, provides the very fuel for the litigation lawyers to feed on. If everyone in Australia dropped their excessive insurance the litigation lawyers would instantly be put out of business. The view from this side of the pond is that your insurance companies are on the take with the lawyers. The whole mess is a civilized coercion of much money from 19 million people to the lucrative benefit of a few lawyers. Much of the same can be said for the US too. But the sole difference being that purchasing insurance is a freedom, not a definitive requirement of the government. Many individuals and companies opt to self insure, believing that they conduct themselves with enough care & responsibility and that they can save money by funding their own litigation fund/savings account, that they don't need to purchase expensive 3rd party insurance. Essentially you are submitting to a "liabilty tax" to provide the sole income of both the insurance and legal businesses in your country. The shearing of the sheep continues..... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Oct 12 06:12:27 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:12:27 +0800 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <000201c4b00c$552e99b0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><016a01c4b02c$bc068510$65218b90@userw32g91tqfi><000601c4b03d$fa5f26d0$8a63fea9@sweeper> <416BBB9E.FFDB89B9@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <004e01c4b05d$22af08c0$44a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Yes Dolly we are trying to discuss it but some seem to think that what you do in the UK and the US is the only way and that is fine , I do not wish to criticise,Iwish you well. I dont think we have made any derogatory remarks about your respective organisations and the way you do things. Make constructive criticism re our ways.Do not resort to the childlike rantings[ not directed at you personally] That is the way we are operating so lets leave it at that .Those in this country that do not agree can either like it or lump ,it is their choice. Some of the comments re our ways were quite patronising. Remember that this thread was started by someone who invited discussion on the above subject and who really got the ball rolling by criticism of the NHMA, the body that is running our shows to the satisfaction of the majority of our members. Some of the off list comments i have received are unbelievable!!.........from what i assume are grown men, still i have broad shoulders . It would seem that the point of disagreement and that ,that irks you most is in the definition of a fence......so you think a single rope or wire is ok . We go for something a bit more ''fence Like''. That's about it !!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > I realise this subject is getting a little heated, but PLEASE could you all > try to remember polite netiquette? One of these mails had SEVEN list sig > lines. > > For those who want to get into a discussion about freedom of speech, a more > appropriate place is the Slick Willie Mailing List. To subscribe, send an > email to slick-request at toltbbs.com with only subscribe in the body or subject > of the message. > > Also, I believe it is relevant for those of us from the UK and US to discuss > what is happening is Oz, as it is a direction other insurance companies and > national clubs may try to follow - forewarned is forearmed! If we can't > discuss what is happening around the world and even at other clubs, it makes > this list a little pointless. > > Dolly > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Oct 12 06:25:24 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:25:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011202323.01fe8508@mail.alltel.net><004601c4b017$2ed9d260$99a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <416BD585.5030806@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <008201c4b05e$eeb65e40$db4b1fd3@km> G'Day Curt You don't have to have insurance in OZ either, not saying that in some housing estates it may be a requirement by whoever, but I know of no forced requirement (in NSW anyway) just another example of confusing statements being made to support their urguments. I will be told if I am wrong but the only required insurance of any type I can think of at the moment is 3rd party insurance to register a vehicle. The $20mil seems the normal limit if you take liability insurance, the legal system has a lot to answer for, lawers and judges have stuffed the place. Kerry ----- Original Message ----- > I have been following this thread with great interest most due to the > fact that Missy and I will have the opportunity to experience the fences > first hand in a few months. At the same time I have been very leery of > commenting on any of this because soon I will be a guest of your country > and do not want to alienate any Australians before ever setting foot > there. So I will limit my comments to simply observatory and will > attempt to not pass judgment on them....yet. > > One item that was a real eye opener was the tremendous homeowner > liability insurance requirement one mentioned. I think I counted the > zeros right and that was 20 million of personal liability insurance > required for the homeowner!!! I'd venture to say most American's > homeowner liability insurance never exceeds the 1 million mark. And > guess what, liability insurance is NOT a requirement for the homeowner > here. The fact that Australia requires it is the very definition of a > monopoly. Here in the states you carry liability insurance to protect > your personal assets against lawsuit. There is little sense in insuring > yourself for much more than the value of your personal assets. If you > feel you do not want the protection of homeowner liability insurance you > don't have to carry it. > The fact that your monopolistic insurance carriers have lobbied your > legislators requiring you carry these huge liability policies, provides > the very fuel for the litigation lawyers to feed on. > If everyone in Australia dropped their excessive insurance the > litigation lawyers would instantly be put out of business. The view from > this side of the pond is that your insurance companies are on the take > with the lawyers. The whole mess is a civilized coercion of much money > from 19 million people to the lucrative benefit of a few lawyers. > > Much of the same can be said for the US too. But the sole difference > being that purchasing insurance is a freedom, not a definitive > requirement of the government. Many individuals and companies opt to > self insure, believing that they conduct themselves with enough care & > responsibility and that they can save money by funding their own > litigation fund/savings account, that they don't need to purchase > expensive 3rd party insurance. > > Essentially you are submitting to a "liabilty tax" to provide the sole > income of both the insurance and legal businesses in your country. The > shearing of the sheep continues..... From falcon at telenet.net Tue Oct 12 06:25:40 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:25:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <200410120113.i9C1DHkr069760@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <010901c4b05e$f8c522e0$a91117d1@net.telenet.net> Rosin = Partially cured pine tree sap. Very easy to find at a music store since it is used on bows used with string instruments. Powdered rosin is also found at many sports stores, it helps provide a more stable grip while lifting weights. (rosin bag) Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 9:13 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Belt Dressing > > > The Pulmore I have is liquid form comes in a can with a > > little red spout to > > dribble it onto the belt. Kind of a real thin tar, wonder if > > one could mix > > up some roofing tar with kerosene to about that consistency. > > > Y'know... somewhere in one of my old books was a recipe for belt dressing. It > contained tallow, fish oil and some other kind of oil, but the key ingredient > was rosin. I've got no clue where to find rosin. > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Oct 12 06:40:03 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:40:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011202323.01fe8508@mail.alltel.net><004601c4b017$2ed9d260$99a226ca@ogborneuah38i3><416BD585.5030806@imc-group.com> <008201c4b05e$eeb65e40$db4b1fd3@km> Message-ID: <00b901c4b060$fb9d5e40$db4b1fd3@km> Sent a second time as the first seems to be lost in space? G'Day Adam I tried really hard to stay out of it this time around, but what are you on about > > Gents and Ladies, > to abtain NHMA insurance the following must occur... > > 1. You must be a member of an affiliated club (there are close to 150 of them I believe) > > 2. You must be an exhibitor to enter a compound and of course hold an insurance card from your Club > tell me if I am wrong but you join a club pay your fees and get your insurance, got nothing to do with being a exhibitor, but if you are saying that you cannot enter a compound without being an exhibitor even if you are a club member is totally stupid something that I have never heard of before and would defy logic, but then again a lot of what has been said falls into that group already. The only section of the RULES? I can find is 1.4 ACCESS TO COMPOUND. Only insured operators of engines and machinery and insured club members are to be allowed within the compound while engines and machinery are operating. which is completely different to what you have stated. Several times people on this list have made statements, some totally wrong or at the least confusing, if people like yourself (official of the national) cannot get it right then you must understand why the rest of us dummies are confused. I have no problems with the fences, put denying entry to a compound to a guest under supervision really gets up my noise, then statements like having to be an exhibitor would really piss me and a lot of others off. waiting to be un-confused Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines From curt at imc-group.com Tue Oct 12 07:06:40 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:06:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] NHMA In-Reply-To: <008201c4b05e$eeb65e40$db4b1fd3@km> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011202323.01fe8508@mail.alltel.net><004601c4b017$2ed9d260$99a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <416BD585.5030806@imc-group.com> <008201c4b05e$eeb65e40$db4b1fd3@km> Message-ID: <416BE4F0.8090104@imc-group.com> Kerry, I read Steven Kitto's statement of "On the house where I live I am required to have liability insurance (A$20000000)." as a requirement to have insurance much like the requirement you have to have insurance for public gathering. In the US we are not required to have insurance for public gatherings either. Most show owners/clubs would be nuts to go it without insurance, but nonetheless it is not required. We too have a requirement for automobile liability insurance but nothing approaching the 20 mil mark! The amount of insurance you purchase is again dependent on your personal assets. Many people carry the minimum of around 50,000. Some 300,000 and few even have 1 million dollar policies. It is all a matter of covering your personal assets. There is no sense in being "insurance poor". BTW for those visiting AU next fall/March and will be driving, are we going to be required to purchase Australian insurance for driving, or will our US policies be sufficient? Curt Kerry wrote: >G'Day Curt > >You don't have to have insurance in OZ either, not saying that in some >housing estates it may be a requirement by whoever, but I know of no forced >requirement (in NSW anyway) just another example of confusing statements >being made to support their urguments. >I will be told if I am wrong but the only required insurance of any type I >can think of at the moment is 3rd party insurance to register a vehicle. >The $20mil seems the normal limit if you take liability insurance, the legal >system has a lot to answer for, lawers and judges have stuffed the place. > > > > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Oct 12 08:14:33 2004 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:14:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re:Arden N.C. Show Message-ID: >Hi , For anyone wanting to attend the Arden N.C. show Oct 20-24, here is a >list of motels close by at the intersection of Airport road and I-26. These >are all as close to the showground as you can get(less than a mile) Budget Inn 828 684 2200 Hampton Inn 828 687 0806 Holiday Inn 828 654 8077 Econolodge 828 684 1200 Fairfield Inn 1 800 228 2800 Comfort Inn 828 687 9199 Days Inn 828 684 2281 I hope to see a lot of you there! Steve Royster _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Oct 12 08:39:38 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] nhma In-Reply-To: <004e01c4b05d$22af08c0$44a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000201c4b00c$552e99b0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><016a01c4b02c$bc068510$65218b90@userw32g91tqfi><000601c4b03d$fa5f26d0$8a63fea9@sweeper> <416BBB9E.FFDB89B9@insulate.co.uk> <004e01c4b05d$22af08c0$44a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <4023.165.206.180.118.1097595578.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Peter, I would pose this one thought - >>criticism of the NHMA, the body that is running our shows to the satisfaction of the majority of our members.<< Can you prove that, or is it like over here - unless it REALLY hurts you say little because it's less work that way and you believe nothing will change anyway. Is it not possible that if people were forced to tell the truth, the whole truth, that they do not like it> They simply don't believe that there is a choice, so they say and do nothing? I know - it's possible that they ARE happy with it that way, very possible (however I don't believe probable) I've come to see over the years that most people simply opt to not speak up. It seemed that most members of a local club here were happy too, until some issues were forced, then we found, pleasantly surprised, that people simply weren't speaking up but were resigned to let it ride. Once issues were forced and they saw that change COULD indeed happen, they all chimed in and changes DID happen. Just some thoughts.......... Bill From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Oct 12 08:30:48 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:30:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] NHMA Message-ID: <20041012.114257.984.6.jlb94@juno.com> All this talk about Free Speech - Fences - Insurance - - - Etc. And - - - I got balled out for being off topic because I asked about a 9V flashlight. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 12 09:11:20 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:11:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] nhma - speak for what you believe or lose that right too References: <003f01c4b00c$e3cdfbc0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <00cb01c4b076$1d128900$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > [First Man:] I think, I think I am, therefore I am, I think. > thats some of that really -OLD - hippy stuff . THE OTHER Chuck ! From lsain33 at charter.net Tue Oct 12 13:12:21 2004 From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:12:21 -0700 Subject: OT:Re: [SEL] nhma - speak for what you believe or lose that right too References: <003f01c4b00c$e3cdfbc0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> <00cb01c4b076$1d128900$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <028d01c4b097$c86f1590$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Gee, OTHER CHUCK, I answered the question off list. Guess that puts me in proper perspective, along with Dave and Arnie, whom I thoroughly enjoyed visiting with at Cotton Ginning Days this past Friday. Mighty fine ale, Arnie! Larry in Cat Square, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma - speak for what you believe or lose that right too > > > [First Man:] I think, I think I am, therefore I am, I think. > > > > > thats some of that really -OLD - hippy stuff . > > > THE OTHER Chuck ! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 12 10:27:56 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:27:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <4.2.0.58.20041011141706.0230b008@mail.keyconn.net><006c01c4afcf$436378a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <005701c4b00e$0c64cd60$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <009701c4b080$d0e53040$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> i've been told that the rail way companies were famous for > using fairbanks morse model n's for this purpose, and i;ve seen an n that > came from a bridge in eastern arkansas, so i;m hopeful that's what it > is,,,,, and i;m guessing from the size that its in the 20 hp range,,, > will keep yall updated with any new developments,, If one knew when the bridge was built , then the guesses would be better As you drift of into slumber tonite repeat " matchstartmatchstartmatchstartmatchstartmatchstart" From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Oct 12 03:26:40 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:26:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing Message-ID: <101220041026.23485.3b25@mchsi.com> Hi John, Wow...the stick kind is even better then I wanted. Much less messy then the drip on kind and always works better. Thankyou very much! Curt > Hi Curt, > > I use a block of that stuff for my belts, I got it once from a lathe trader. > Just had a phone call with a trader I know and he has some old fashion > belt sticks on stock. October 31 we will meet each other at a swapmeet > and he told me to bring the stuff along. Remember the good time we had > at the R&V reunion last year, so I will send you one. Let you know when > I have it. > > Regards, > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > Does anyone know a source for Pulmore brand belt dressing? Realized I am > > almost out as I like using it for my belts when grinding corn meal,etc. > > thankyou in advance, > > Curt Andree > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Oct 12 15:22:45 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:22:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing In-Reply-To: <010901c4b05e$f8c522e0$a91117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <200410120113.i9C1DHkr069760@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <010901c4b05e$f8c522e0$a91117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <3DC3B543-1C9D-11D9-AD74-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Also dance suppliers. Ballerinas jump in a box of powdered rosin to get their pointe shoes nice and sticky immediately before dancing out on stage, so they don't slip down on their bums in front of everybody. John > Rosin = Partially cured pine tree sap. Very easy to find at a music > store since it is used on bows used with string instruments. > Powdered rosin is also found at many sports stores, it helps provide a > more stable grip while lifting weights. (rosin bag) From cjclem at sysim.net Tue Oct 12 15:36:09 2004 From: cjclem at sysim.net (John) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:36:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] US Show Fences & Insurance Issues Message-ID: <1097620569.416c5c5994ef4@webmail.sysim.net> After reading all the chatter about fences, insurance in AU would like list to know it is happening right here in midwest USA shows. Here is Rollag,MN show with most engines (not all) behind metal ridgid livestock fences & must be member to exhibit & attend safety meeting at show. http://www.rollag.com/ Albert City,Iowa > http://www.albertcitythreshermen.com/register.htm This show requires exhibitors sign liability release. Albany,MN requires signed liability release & safety meeting signed form. http://www.albanymnchamber.com/pioneer.htm Hanley Falls,MN requires signed liability release from exhibitors, http://www.mnmachinerymuseum.com/welcome.html Menno, S Dak show has safety meeting & member giving safety speech stated club does not have insurance on exhibitors, only on the club. We exhibited at last 3 shows listed in 2004 & complied but I don't like the release of liability signing required, my opinion the club should get proper coverage even though individuals may have there own is not the issue. I would like to see GEM ask exact requirements about insurance any any signings, meetings required in show directory request from clubs, then when you show up at gate you know the rules ahead of time. From cjclem at sysim.net Tue Oct 12 15:37:25 2004 From: cjclem at sysim.net (John) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:37:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] US Show Fences & Insurance Issues Message-ID: <1097620645.416c5ca5bbfeb@webmail.sysim.net> After reading all the chatter about fences, insurance in AU would like list to know it is happening right here in midwest USA shows. Here is Rollag,MN show with most engines (not all) behind metal ridgid livestock fences & must be member to exhibit & attend safety meeting at show. http://www.rollag.com/ Albert City,Iowa > http://www.albertcitythreshermen.com/register.htm This show requires exhibitors sign liability release. Albany,MN requires signed liability release & safety meeting signed form. http://www.albanymnchamber.com/pioneer.htm Hanley Falls,MN requires signed liability release from exhibitors, http://www.mnmachinerymuseum.com/welcome.html Menno, S Dak show has safety meeting & member giving safety speech stated club does not have insurance on exhibitors, only on the club. We exhibited at last 3 shows listed in 2004 & complied but I don't like the release of liability signing required, my opinion the club should get proper coverage even though individuals may have there own is not the issue. I would like to see GEM ask exact requirements about insurance any any signings, meetings required in show directory request from clubs, then when you show up at gate you know the rules ahead of time. From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Oct 12 05:48:49 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:48:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: Message-ID: <000201c4b05b$5515a190$db4b1fd3@km> G'Day Adam I tried really hard to stay out of it this time around, but what are you on about > > Gents and Ladies, > to abtain NHMA insurance the following must occur... > > 1. You must be a member of an affiliated club (there are close to 150 of them I believe) > > 2. You must be an exhibitor to enter a compound and of course hold an insurance card from your Club > tell me if I am wrong but you join a club pay your fees and get your insurance, got nothing to do with being a exhibitor, but if you are saying that you cannot enter a compound without being an exhibitor even if you are a club member is totally stupid something that I have never heard of before and would defy logic, but then again a lot of what has been said falls into that group already. The only section of the RULES? I can find is 1.4 ACCESS TO COMPOUND. Only insured operators of engines and machinery and insured club members are to be allowed within the compound while engines and machinery are operating. which is completely different to what you have stated. Several times people on this list have made statements, some totally wrong or at the least confusing, if people like yourself (official of the national) cannot get it right then you must understand why the rest of us dummies are confused. I have no problems with the fences, put denying entry to a compound to a guest under supervision really gets up my noise, then statements like having to be an exhibitor would really piss me and a lot of others off. waiting to be un-confused Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Oct 12 16:58:17 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:58:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011202323.01fe8508@mail.alltel.net><004601c4b017$2ed9d260$99a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <416BD585.5030806@imc-group.com><008201c4b05e$eeb65e40$db4b1fd3@km> <416BE4F0.8090104@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002d01c4b0b7$58a727f0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Hi Curt Steve may live on an estate and be required to have personal liability insurance and may have other costs like Body Corporate Fees (but that is another matter). In my case I have house insurance and Contents insurance and I have determined the level. I am prepared to take risk that any damage or theft does not exceed those levels. As for liability insurance I am not sure whether either policy includes this and, at present, I am happy with the my lot. You are lucky that the Councils don't demand insurance cover for public events - wish that was the case here. As for our compulsory third party insurance on vehicles we do not have a limit. Usually the large amounts are determined by the courts and legal process can take many years to resolve, Particularly when you have claims, counter claims, through the local court, supreme court, high court. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA > Kerry, > I read Steven Kitto's statement of "On the house where I live I am > required to have liability insurance (A$20000000)." > as a requirement to have insurance much like the requirement you have to > have insurance for public gathering. > > In the US we are not required to have insurance for public gatherings > either. Most show owners/clubs would be nuts to go it without insurance, > but nonetheless it is not required. > > We too have a requirement for automobile liability insurance but nothing > approaching the 20 mil mark! The amount of insurance you purchase is > again dependent on your personal assets. Many people carry the minimum > of around 50,000. Some 300,000 and few even have 1 million dollar policies. > It is all a matter of covering your personal assets. There is no sense > in being "insurance poor". > > BTW for those visiting AU next fall/March and will be driving, are we > going to be required to purchase Australian insurance for driving, or > will our US policies be sufficient? > > Curt > > Kerry wrote: > > >G'Day Curt > > > >You don't have to have insurance in OZ either, not saying that in some > >housing estates it may be a requirement by whoever, but I know of no forced > >requirement (in NSW anyway) just another example of confusing statements > >being made to support their urguments. > >I will be told if I am wrong but the only required insurance of any type I > >can think of at the moment is 3rd party insurance to register a vehicle. > >The $20mil seems the normal limit if you take liability insurance, the legal > >system has a lot to answer for, lawers and judges have stuffed the place. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bboyce at swat.coop Tue Oct 12 17:08:26 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:08:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <4.2.0.58.20041011141706.0230b008@mail.keyconn.net><006c01c4afcf$436378a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net><005701c4b00e$0c64cd60$6401a8c0@BillyBob> <009701c4b080$d0e53040$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <002901c4b0b8$c3dc4400$6401a8c0@BillyBob> > > > If one knew when the bridge was built , then the guesses would be better > As you drift of into slumber tonite repeat " matchstartmatchstartmatchstartmatchstartmatchstart" > the bridge was built in 1884,,, so it must really be an early Fairbanks, my guess it's even hit and miss,, ;) bill boyce From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Oct 12 17:19:56 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:19:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011202323.01fe8508@mail.alltel.net><004601c4b017$2ed9d260$99a226ca@ogborneuah38i3><416BD585.5030806@imc-group.com><008201c4b05e$eeb65e40$db4b1fd3@km> <00b901c4b060$fb9d5e40$db4b1fd3@km> Message-ID: <000f01c4b0ba$5f63d400$526f29cb@oemcomputer> Me to Kerry.If I am payed up and was denied entry to a compound there would them defiantly be a legal problem and not against me. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:40 Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA > Sent a second time as the first seems to be lost in space? > > G'Day Adam > > I tried really hard to stay out of it this time around, but what are you on > about > > > > > Gents and Ladies, > > to abtain NHMA insurance the following must occur... > > > > 1. You must be a member of an affiliated club (there are close to 150 of > them I believe) > > > > 2. You must be an exhibitor to enter a compound and of course hold an > insurance card from your Club > > > > tell me if I am wrong but you join a club pay your fees and get your > insurance, got nothing to do with being a exhibitor, > but if you are saying that you cannot enter a compound without being an > exhibitor even if you are a club member is totally stupid something that I > have never heard of before and would defy logic, but then again a lot of > what has been said falls into that group already. > The only section of the RULES? I can find is > > 1.4 ACCESS TO COMPOUND. > Only insured operators of engines and machinery and insured club members are > to be allowed within the compound while engines and machinery are operating. > > which is completely different to what you have stated. > Several times people on this list have made statements, some totally wrong > or at the least confusing, if people like yourself (official of the > national) cannot get it right then you must understand why the rest of us > dummies are confused. > > I have no problems with the fences, put denying entry to a compound to a > guest under supervision really gets up my noise, then statements like having > to be an exhibitor would really piss me and a lot of others off. > > waiting to be un-confused > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow NSW OZ > > Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 > > Friends in Engines > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. > From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Oct 12 17:23:03 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:23:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: <20041012.114257.984.6.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <001f01c4b0ba$cfe03700$526f29cb@oemcomputer> How do you work out that this is of topic.It is all related to showing engines or can't you comprehend this.As far as I know isn't this list about engines. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 1:30 Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA > All this talk about Free Speech - Fences - Insurance - - - Etc. > > And - - - I got balled out for being off topic because I asked about a 9V > flashlight. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - > \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. > From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Oct 12 17:35:25 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:35:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011202323.01fe8508@mail.alltel.net><004601c4b017$2ed9d260$99a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <416BD585.5030806@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003b01c4b0bc$89059080$526f29cb@oemcomputer> Curt I can assure you that there is no legal requirement for insurance in this country.You can take all the risk yourself if you want.As Kerry said you have to have 3rd party on motor registration but this is all.If you have a mortgage on your home the lender would require you to have insurance or they wont lend you the money but this is not a government law.I have no insurance at all only 3rd party property on my car just in case I hit a Merk or Roller and this is only because I want to have it.If you come to OZ and have a current drivers license that is all you need to drive here.Your hire car company will cover all other insurance needs.It was exactly the same when I was in the US.I had a friend with me who wanted to drive and had to pay extra insurance to the hire car company so we could use a second driver. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:00 Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA > peter ogborne wrote: > > It would seem to me that the majority of us here in Australia are quite happy to conform > and that doesn't mean to be submissive. > > > > Ah the sheep continue to be shorn..... > > I have been following this thread with great interest most due to the > fact that Missy and I will have the opportunity to experience the fences > first hand in a few months. At the same time I have been very leery of > commenting on any of this because soon I will be a guest of your country > and do not want to alienate any Australians before ever setting foot > there. So I will limit my comments to simply observatory and will > attempt to not pass judgment on them....yet. > > One item that was a real eye opener was the tremendous homeowner > liability insurance requirement one mentioned. I think I counted the > zeros right and that was 20 million of personal liability insurance > required for the homeowner!!! I'd venture to say most American's > homeowner liability insurance never exceeds the 1 million mark. And > guess what, liability insurance is NOT a requirement for the homeowner > here. The fact that Australia requires it is the very definition of a > monopoly. Here in the states you carry liability insurance to protect > your personal assets against lawsuit. There is little sense in insuring > yourself for much more than the value of your personal assets. If you > feel you do not want the protection of homeowner liability insurance you > don't have to carry it. > The fact that your monopolistic insurance carriers have lobbied your > legislators requiring you carry these huge liability policies, provides > the very fuel for the litigation lawyers to feed on. > If everyone in Australia dropped their excessive insurance the > litigation lawyers would instantly be put out of business. The view from > this side of the pond is that your insurance companies are on the take > with the lawyers. The whole mess is a civilized coercion of much money > from 19 million people to the lucrative benefit of a few lawyers. > > Much of the same can be said for the US too. But the sole difference > being that purchasing insurance is a freedom, not a definitive > requirement of the government. Many individuals and companies opt to > self insure, believing that they conduct themselves with enough care & > responsibility and that they can save money by funding their own > litigation fund/savings account, that they don't need to purchase > expensive 3rd party insurance. > > Essentially you are submitting to a "liabilty tax" to provide the sole > income of both the insurance and legal businesses in your country. The > shearing of the sheep continues..... > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Oct 12 17:44:37 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:44:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011202323.01fe8508@mail.alltel.net><004601c4b017$2ed9d260$99a226ca@ogborneuah38i3><416BD585.5030806@imc-group.com><008201c4b05e$eeb65e40$db4b1fd3@km> <00b901c4b060$fb9d5e40$db4b1fd3@km> Message-ID: <005e01c4b0bd$d1ea3070$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Kerry, You are not alone in your confusion. On Sept. 10, 2004, Adam wrote: "My suggestion to those comming from Overseas who want to enter the compounds join the club pay your $12 insurance fee. If you look on the webpage and download the registration from you will not a point if you would like insurance provided tick the box send the money." On October 11, 2004, he wrote the comments you listed below. Same man, different rules, and you wonder why us yanks are confused. Nuff said. Jeff Allen aka Jeremy Hillary Boob Ph.D. PS, What is a registration from? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA > > G'Day Adam > > I tried really hard to stay out of it this time around, but what are you > on > about > >> >> Gents and Ladies, >> to abtain NHMA insurance the following must occur... >> >> 1. You must be a member of an affiliated club (there are close to 150 of > them I believe) >> >> 2. You must be an exhibitor to enter a compound and of course hold an > insurance card from your Club >> > > tell me if I am wrong but you join a club pay your fees and get your > insurance, got nothing to do with being a exhibitor, > but if you are saying that you cannot enter a compound without being an > exhibitor even if you are a club member is totally stupid something that I > have never heard of before and would defy logic, but then again a lot of > what has been said falls into that group already. > The only section of the RULES? I can find is > > 1.4 ACCESS TO COMPOUND. > Only insured operators of engines and machinery and insured club members > are > to be allowed within the compound while engines and machinery are > operating. > > which is completely different to what you have stated. > Several times people on this list have made statements, some totally wrong > or at the least confusing, if people like yourself (official of the > national) cannot get it right then you must understand why the rest of us > dummies are confused. > > I have no problems with the fences, put denying entry to a compound to a > guest under supervision really gets up my noise, then statements like > having > to be an exhibitor would really piss me and a lot of others off. > > waiting to be un-confused > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow NSW OZ > > Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 > > Friends in Engines > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From clemsweller at earthlink.net Tue Oct 12 18:00:23 2004 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:00:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] nhma In-Reply-To: <014201c4b008$a0550590$65218b90@userw32g91tqfi> Message-ID: <000701c4b0c0$1207d890$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Well then, I guess that explains it! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of barry gorman Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:07 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma Chuck , here in our country we believe in freedom , free speech and , FTW. WE ARE AUSTRALIANS . Barry G. The Glorious Hunter Valley AUSTRALIA From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Oct 12 18:13:55 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:13:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011202323.01fe8508@mail.alltel.net><004601c4b017$2ed9d260$99a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <416BD585.5030806@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <007c01c4b0c1$e9ba1680$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Curt Holland wrote in part: " I have been following this thread with great interest most due to the fact that Missy and I will have the opportunity to experience the fences first hand in a few months. " Curt and list, I have no doubt all are interested in your view after your visit to the land of fences and extortion by insurance companies. I look forward to a full report and photos. Your visit should help clear up the fence issue from a Yank's point of view. I do hope you enjoy your trip, and will gladly post photos for you on one of the servers I have access to. Couple more thoughts: My words: "The attitude that it can't happen here will insure that it will happen here." Dolly's words: "Also, I believe it is relevent for those of us from the UK and US to discuss what is happening is Oz, as it is a direction other insurance companies and national clubs may try to follow - forewarned is forearmed! If we can't discuss what is happening around the world and even at other clubs, it makes this list a little pointless." Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Oct 12 18:25:57 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:25:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041012210503.01f1e750@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, As most of you know I been a critic of the "NHMA fence policy." However, I've changed my mind a bit since attending the Cotton Ginning Days in Dallas NC. All went well the first few days with a good selection of drag and cut-off saws doing what they do best--cutting wood. Then on the 3rd day, however, one of the show goers who was allowed behind the fence STOLE a round of wood! (This can clearly be seen in the center row--third picture from the top. See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/) We were all warned about such behavior the President of NHMA, but I had no idea that this kind of theft could occur here in the USA! There was also one bloke from OZ at the Cotton Ginning Days show. Take a GOOD look at the above set of pictures and see if you can pick out his display. The really sad part of allowing spectators into the engine display area can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/woops.JPG This carnage has ALMOST convinced me that we need to follow the NHMA fence policy here in the USA! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Oct 12 18:59:25 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:59:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] NHMA In-Reply-To: <001f01c4b0ba$cfe03700$526f29cb@oemcomputer> References: <20041012.114257.984.6.jlb94@juno.com> <001f01c4b0ba$cfe03700$526f29cb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041012215712.01fe2578@mail.alltel.net> At 08:23 PM 10/12/2004, you wrote: >How do you work out that this is of topic.It is all related to showing >engines or can't you comprehend this.As far as I know isn't this list about >engines. >EDD PAYNE Hi Edd, How in the hell did you come to that conclusion? I thought this List was about 9 volt batteries and computer problems! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Oct 12 19:06:14 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:06:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re:Arden N.C. Show In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041012220509.02043cc8@mail.alltel.net> Hi Steve, Want to try the dates for the show again? Dave >>Hi , For anyone wanting to attend the Arden N.C. show Oct 20-24, here is >>a list of motels close by at the intersection of Airport road and I-26. >>These are all as close to the showground as you can get(less than a mile) >Budget Inn 828 684 2200 >Hampton Inn 828 687 0806 >Holiday Inn 828 654 8077 >Econolodge 828 684 1200 >Fairfield Inn 1 800 228 2800 >Comfort Inn 828 687 9199 >Days Inn 828 684 2281 > >I hope to see a lot of you there! Steve Royster From oldengin at udata.com Tue Oct 12 19:07:10 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:07:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Keyway's (Maybe sorta kinda whatever OT) In-Reply-To: <4023.165.206.180.118.1097595578.squirrel@165.206.180.118> References: <000201c4b00c$552e99b0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><016a01c4b02c$bc068510$65218b90@userw32g91tqfi><000601c4b03d$fa5f26d0$8a63fea9@sweeper> <416BBB9E.FFDB89B9@insulate.co.uk> <004e01c4b05d$22af08c0$44a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <4023.165.206.180.118.1097595578.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Message-ID: <416C8DCE.8000207@udata.com> Gday, As a few of you might now know I am building another model at this time and I came to the part where you cut the keyway into the crank. Guess what it is 90 degrees off the throws... I have played with a good number of engins and seen a few more but this was a first, I contacted the vendor and he assures me that all GADE engins where this way? WHY? and do you know of any others that are not 180 out from the throw? Even those with weights on the crank, that I have noticed, are 180 what is the deal here? I set the crank into the fixture waiting to hear from the vendor as I thought this might be his error and I was going to go the 180 but he is set that it needs to be the 90. Now what? -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Oct 12 21:08:50 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:08:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041012210503.01f1e750@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001601c4b0da$58f225c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> You have enlightened me Dave, and I have to thank you. A small child near an engine and a drag saw, and then they steal from you. What is this world coming to. The bloke from OZ. On the trailer behind the fence. Pavlov perhaps. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:25 PM Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! > Hi All, > As most of you know I been a critic of the "NHMA fence policy." However, > I've changed my mind a bit since attending the Cotton Ginning Days in > Dallas NC. All went well the first few days with a good selection of drag > and cut-off saws doing what they do best--cutting wood. Then on the 3rd > day, however, one of the show goers who was allowed behind the fence STOLE > a round of wood! (This can clearly be seen in the center row--third > picture from the top. See: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/) We were all > warned about such behavior the President of NHMA, but I had no idea that > this kind of theft could occur here in the USA! > There was also one bloke from OZ at the Cotton Ginning Days show. Take a > GOOD look at the above set of pictures and see if you can pick out his > display. > The really sad part of allowing spectators into the engine display area > can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/woops.JPG > This carnage has ALMOST convinced me that we need to follow the NHMA fence > policy here in the USA! > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Oct 12 21:12:43 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:12:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041012210503.01f1e750@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000901c4b0da$e369d720$8a63fea9@sweeper> We give them away over here in OZ or charge a gold coin and the money goes to charity. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 11:25 AM Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! > Hi All, > As most of you know I been a critic of the "NHMA fence policy." However, > I've changed my mind a bit since attending the Cotton Ginning Days in > Dallas NC. All went well the first few days with a good selection of drag > and cut-off saws doing what they do best--cutting wood. Then on the 3rd > day, however, one of the show goers who was allowed behind the fence STOLE > a round of wood! (This can clearly be seen in the center row--third picture > from the top. See: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/) We were all > warned about such behavior the President of NHMA, but I had no idea that > this kind of theft could occur here in the USA! > There was also one bloke from OZ at the Cotton Ginning Days show. Take a > GOOD look at the above set of pictures and see if you can pick out his > display. > The really sad part of allowing spectators into the engine display area > can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/woops.JPG > This carnage has ALMOST convinced me that we need to follow the NHMA fence > policy here in the USA! > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pwaugh at mchsi.com Tue Oct 12 15:59:59 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:59:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <200410120113.i9C1DHkr069760@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org><010901c4b05e$f8c522e0$a91117d1@net.telenet.net> <3DC3B543-1C9D-11D9-AD74-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <001d01c4b0af$334769a0$0400a8c0@paul> Hi All so all we have to do is come up with a binder for this rosin, that does not make things slick, my first thought was beeswax, but that is used as lubricate, so no go Paul Waugh > Also dance suppliers. Ballerinas jump in a box of powdered rosin to get > their pointe shoes nice and sticky immediately before dancing out on > stage, so they don't slip down on their bums in front of everybody. > From pwaugh at mchsi.com Tue Oct 12 19:31:03 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:31:03 -0500 Subject: Fw: [SEL] Belt Dressing Message-ID: <004a01c4b0cc$af6cda20$0400a8c0@paul> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing Hi All so all we have to do is come up with a binder for this rosin, that does not make things slick, my first thought was beeswax, but that is used as lubricate, so no go Paul Waugh >> Also dance suppliers. Ballerinas jump in a box of powdered rosin to get >> their pointe shoes nice and sticky immediately before dancing out on >> stage, so they don't slip down on their bums in front of everybody. >> > From old_iron at msn.com Tue Oct 12 23:20:10 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 01:20:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! Message-ID: I don't agree with the fences, but we need SOMETHING between the exhibits and the "city slickers" who come to the shows. On occasion we have even brought our own "caution" tape and post to put it on. We were at a "Farm Heritage" show in September, at 4:00 PM (the show closed at 4:30) we had a little boy who was clearly out of control, go under the safety rope, and took out two rubber ducks off of the top of the 15" Humphreys mud pump and throw them in the tub of water. The ducks had sat there for 2 days (we had a gate of 1,800 on Saturday) without incident. My point here is that this pump has very large open gears that could have taken this kids arm off without missing a beat if I had not gotten up and told him to stay outside the ropes. I don't want to see "fences" but some people need one of Dave's signs on there head because they don't control their children well enough. I will now get off my soap box, but some times people need to be protected from themselves. Peg Pfeiffer PS: I attend the "safety meeting" at every show we go to that has one, I also know how to shut down all of Bill's engines in case of emergency. >From: "Ron Page" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! >Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:12:43 +1000 > >We give them away over here in OZ or charge a gold coin and the money goes >to charity. > >Ron > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dave Rotigel" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 11:25 AM >Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! > > > > Hi All, > > As most of you know I been a critic of the "NHMA fence policy." However, > > I've changed my mind a bit since attending the Cotton Ginning Days in > > Dallas NC. All went well the first few days with a good selection of >drag > > and cut-off saws doing what they do best--cutting wood. Then on the 3rd > > day, however, one of the show goers who was allowed behind the fence >STOLE > > a round of wood! (This can clearly be seen in the center row--third >picture > > from the top. See: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/) We were >all > > warned about such behavior the President of NHMA, but I had no idea >that > > this kind of theft could occur here in the USA! > > There was also one bloke from OZ at the Cotton Ginning Days show. Take a > > GOOD look at the above set of pictures and see if you can pick out his > > display. > > The really sad part of allowing spectators into the engine display area > > can be seen at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/woops.JPG > > This carnage has ALMOST convinced me that we need to follow the NHMA >fence > > policy here in the USA! > > Dave > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Tue Oct 12 23:43:27 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:43:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3cjpm0hjjg1tp9ji1ah0bn0pof75lup3m6@4ax.com> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 01:20:10 -0500, you wrote: >I don't agree with the fences, but we need SOMETHING between the exhibits >and the "city slickers" who come to the shows. On occasion we have even >brought our own "caution" tape and post to put it on. >I don't want to see "fences" but some people need one of Dave's signs on >there head because they don't control their children well enough. > >I will now get off my soap box, but some times people need to be protected >from themselves. > >Peg Pfeiffer > >PS: I attend the "safety meeting" at every show we go to that has one, I >also know how to shut down all of Bill's engines in case of emergency. The voice of reason as always, Peg! I'd go along with that also, a single rope should be sufficient for most reasonable folks to show this is the demarcation line between public and exhibitors. Fences are obtrusive both for looking at machinery and for photography, and will eventually kill off spectator involvement and probably attendance as well. Whatever the local requirements, it behoves us all to make sure that accidents do not occur, as they will eventually lead to live machinery being banned in their present form. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Oct 12 23:55:21 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:55:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: <20041012.114257.984.6.jlb94@juno.com><001f01c4b0ba$cfe03700$526f29cb@oemcomputer> <6.1.2.0.0.20041012215712.01fe2578@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <002b01c4b0f1$a0437980$106f29cb@oemcomputer> Dam.Here I have been on the list for 6 years and now you tell me.Wondered why no one responded to my posts.I will try to get it rite in future.Thanks Dave. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 11:59 Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA > At 08:23 PM 10/12/2004, you wrote: > >How do you work out that this is of topic.It is all related to showing > >engines or can't you comprehend this.As far as I know isn't this list about > >engines. > >EDD PAYNE > > Hi Edd, How in the hell did you come to that conclusion? I thought this > List was about 9 volt batteries and computer problems! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Wed Oct 13 01:12:32 2004 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:12:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing In-Reply-To: <001d01c4b0af$334769a0$0400a8c0@paul> References: <200410120113.i9C1DHkr069760@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <010901c4b05e$f8c522e0$a91117d1@net.telenet.net> <3DC3B543-1C9D-11D9-AD74-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <001d01c4b0af$334769a0$0400a8c0@paul> Message-ID: I seem to remember that rosin will dissolve in methylated spirits (denatured alcohol) if that helps? This is volatile and would evaporate fast, leaving a gummy rosin residue. In message <001d01c4b0af$334769a0$0400a8c0 at paul>, Paul writes >Hi All >so all we have to do is come up with a binder for this rosin, that does >not make things slick, my first thought was beeswax, but that is used >as lubricate, so no go > > >Paul Waugh > -- Peter Scales From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Oct 13 02:05:58 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:05:58 +0800 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! References: Message-ID: <001001c4b103$de878c60$5fa226ca@ogborneuah38i3> At last ''A voice of reason''. WE all sail close to the wind ,what with open gears ,flat belts and pulleys etc. All we in Australia have done is go one step further than the single rope Our fence does not stop the attraction . There is still interaction and great interest from the public....lets really be honest about this do ,we want the uninitiated actually in a hands on situation....I think not. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! > I don't agree with the fences, but we need SOMETHING between the exhibits > and the "city slickers" who come to the shows. On occasion we have even > brought our own "caution" tape and post to put it on. > > We were at a "Farm Heritage" show in September, at 4:00 PM (the show closed > at 4:30) we had a little boy who was clearly out of control, go under the > safety rope, and took out two rubber ducks off of the top of the 15" > Humphreys mud pump and throw them in the tub of water. The ducks had sat > there for 2 days (we had a gate of 1,800 on Saturday) without incident. My > point here is that this pump has very large open gears that could have taken > this kids arm off without missing a beat if I had not gotten up and told him > to stay outside the ropes. > > I don't want to see "fences" but some people need one of Dave's signs on > there head because they don't control their children well enough. > > I will now get off my soap box, but some times people need to be protected > from themselves. > > Peg Pfeiffer > > PS: I attend the "safety meeting" at every show we go to that has one, I > also know how to shut down all of Bill's engines in case of emergency. > > >From: "Ron Page" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Subject: Re: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! > >Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:12:43 +1000 > > > >We give them away over here in OZ or charge a gold coin and the money goes > >to charity. > > > >Ron > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Dave Rotigel" > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 11:25 AM > >Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > As most of you know I been a critic of the "NHMA fence policy." However, > > > I've changed my mind a bit since attending the Cotton Ginning Days in > > > Dallas NC. All went well the first few days with a good selection of > >drag > > > and cut-off saws doing what they do best--cutting wood. Then on the 3rd > > > day, however, one of the show goers who was allowed behind the fence > >STOLE > > > a round of wood! (This can clearly be seen in the center row--third > >picture > > > from the top. See: > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/) We were > >all > > > warned about such behavior the President of NHMA, but I had no idea > >that > > > this kind of theft could occur here in the USA! > > > There was also one bloke from OZ at the Cotton Ginning Days show. Take a > > > GOOD look at the above set of pictures and see if you can pick out his > > > display. > > > The really sad part of allowing spectators into the engine display area > > > can be seen at: > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/woops.JPG > > > This carnage has ALMOST convinced me that we need to follow the NHMA > >fence > > > policy here in the USA! > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From canuckiron at wightman.ca Wed Oct 13 05:43:07 2004 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 05:43:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere References: <414E22D4.C4E68399@wightman.ca> <008a01c49eab$eb8e8a40$33e3f504@x8h7l9> <414FB12C.823C39E0@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <416D22DB.D37FB251@wightman.ca> Well, I finally had a chance to go over the 214 John Deere and have a look at the points. They are located on the front of the engine behind the grill. Not the easiest things to get to. They were pitted and mildly corroded and gaped way out to .027! We dressed them with a file and emery cloth and reset the gap. I took it out and worked the crap out of it and when it was warmed up I could not get it to act up at all. I am thinking this may have the problem licked. As an aside, I got curious and pulled the breather off. I think the air filter was last changed when this thing was new. Couldn't even get a light to shine through. Has a minor fuel leak somewhere that just smells but does not leave any tell tale puddles or spots. The saga continues...... :-) Thanks for all the advice. Duncan Duncan Denman wrote: > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Duncan Denman" > > To: "ATIS Engine List" > > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 8:22 PM > > Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere > > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > > > A friend of mine gave me a John Deere 214 riding mower/tractor because > > > he bought a new and bigger unit. Works great except when it has no load, > > > it will run under full throttle but when I am cutting grass, it will > > > start to cough if it gets too much gas forcing me to throttle back. Plug > > > is not fouling and the engine was rebuilt about three years ago. Any > > > thought/suggestions? I was thinking about the condensor or points or > > > maybe a carb adjustment. Didn't happen untill it was about half way > > > through the lawn or about 30 minutes. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Duncan > > > > > > -- > > > Duncan and Sandy Denman > > > Ayton, Ontario, Canada > > > Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca > > > Visit our Home Page at: > > > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ > > > Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry > > > > > > -- Duncan and Sandy Denman Ayton, Ontario, Canada Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca Visit our Home Page at: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Oct 13 04:19:00 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:19:00 +0100 Subject: [SEL] A new way to sell on Ebay OT Message-ID: <003701c4b116$7047d850$6b856ad5@no1> See http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7927433876 We could try selling our engines this way! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From adamcottrill at telstra.com Wed Oct 13 04:33:59 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:33:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA Message-ID: Hi Kerry, your spot on 100%.... up until Tuesday last week I thought the same as you and agree 200% with your comments. I was told by someone above me and I am expected to follow suit and enforce this at the National being Safety Co-ordinator. That being said I am about to protect this sighting exactly the rules you mentioned... I can say no more but I understand your concern and I'm trying my hardest and batting for you guys. I want to have a great time at the National too. I will keep you informed. Adam From pwaugh at mchsi.com Wed Oct 13 05:20:43 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:20:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A new way to sell on Ebay OT References: <003701c4b116$7047d850$6b856ad5@no1> Message-ID: <001601c4b11f$0f912710$0400a8c0@paul> Sounds sincere, and sure getting lot of hits .. what a riot Paul Waugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 6:19 AM Subject: [SEL] A new way to sell on Ebay OT > See > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7927433876 > We could try selling our engines this way! > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From christison at coastalnet.com Wed Oct 13 05:28:56 2004 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:28:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <200410120113.i9C1DHkr069760@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org><010901c4b05e$f8c522e0$a91117d1@net.telenet.net><3DC3B543-1C9D-11D9-AD74-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <001d01c4b0af$334769a0$0400a8c0@paul> Message-ID: <001501c4b120$35f169a0$0100a8c0@mshome.net> Equal parts of rosin, beeswax and turpentine is the recipe I have run across the most often. That said, a couple of my books say not to use rosin on a leather belt. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing > Hi All > so all we have to do is come up with a binder for this rosin, that does not > make things slick, my first thought was beeswax, but that is used as > lubricate, so no go > > > Paul Waugh From billalan at busynet.net Wed Oct 13 06:13:52 2004 From: billalan at busynet.net (Bill Herreid) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:13:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! In-Reply-To: <001601c4b0da$58f225c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041012210503.01f1e750@mail.alltel.net> <001601c4b0da$58f225c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <416D2A10.8040802@busynet.net> > You have enlightened me Dave, and I have to thank you. A small child > near an engine and a drag saw, and then they steal from you. What is > this world coming to. The bloke from OZ. On the trailer behind the > fence. Pavlov perhaps. > > Jeff I am impressed with how dedicated this Aussie is, coming in and setting up a split rail fence just to protect the public from the engines. From the Cheddar Curtain - Bill Herreid From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Oct 13 06:15:58 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:15:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] JD Grain Elevator References: <78.6316a1bc.2e9c81f7@aol.com> Message-ID: > > Rick, > > Beautiful! Keep checking back once a year, and maybe put some oil on > parts > if they will let you and they will see your continued interest. > > Tom Schmutz Will do Tom. It's only around 7 miles away and Corky knows him well so we'll be checking on it occassionally. Thanx RickinMt. From fbi at insulate.co.uk Wed Oct 13 06:27:59 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:27:59 +0100 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041012210503.01f1e750@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <416D2D5F.CA96C3E8@insulate.co.uk> Actually, Dave, this wood cutting display is CLEARLY a hazard to the public in another way. Why is there no dispenser point for ear defenders? The kids in this pic http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/MVC-410X.JPG will proably sue the club when they go deaf at age 74. Dolly Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi All, > As most of you know I been a critic of the "NHMA fence policy." However, > I've changed my mind a bit since attending the Cotton Ginning Days in > Dallas NC. All went well the first few days with a good selection of drag > and cut-off saws doing what they do best--cutting wood. -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed Oct 13 07:19:53 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 00:19:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: Message-ID: <001501c4b12f$b6457100$4b1131cb@oemcomputer> Adam.I probably won't be at the national but if this rule is enforced as you say and I am there it would take police action to remove me from the compound.As a paid up member of an affiliated club I have every rite to be in a compound wether I have an engine or not.At the Orange national field days last year they tried to stop me from leaving the grounds saying that I could not leave till 5 oclock I made a lot of noise and the police arrived and told the organisers that they could not detain me and they had to let me out which they then did.I know this is not your ruling but if people complain and refuse to leave the compound you have no power to remove anyone and nobody else can either. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 9:33 Subject: [SEL] NHMA > Hi Kerry, > your spot on 100%.... up until Tuesday last week I thought the same as you and agree 200% with your comments. I was told by someone above me and I am expected to follow suit and enforce this at the National being Safety Co-ordinator. > > That being said I am about to protect this sighting exactly the rules you mentioned... I can say no more but I understand your concern and I'm trying my hardest and batting for you guys. I want to have a great time at the National too. > > I will keep you informed. > > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. > From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Oct 13 07:22:44 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:22:44 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! References: <416D2A10.8040802@busynet.net> Message-ID: <416D3A34.000001.03392@NOTEBOOK> That split rail fence is inadequate!!!! A rogue engine may jump the fence, or God forbid, smash through it in a random act of violence and attack an onlooker -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 10/13/04 09:53:58 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! > You have enlightened me Dave, and I have to thank you. A small child > near an engine and a drag saw, and then they steal from you. What is > this world coming to. The bloke from OZ. On the trailer behind the > fence. Pavlov perhaps. > > Jeff I am impressed with how dedicated this Aussie is, coming in and setting up a split rail fence just to protect the public from the engines. From the Cheddar Curtain - Bill Herreid _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Wed Oct 13 07:35:04 2004 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 00:05:04 +0930 Subject: [SEL] belt dressing Message-ID: <000e01c4b131$d4752f60$bcc68890@chaos> Compound for belting :- 2 lb gum damar 4 lb castor oil mix well, heat carefully. skim the skum as it cools ;-) ~applied sparingly. Thin stream of the thick fluid run on the centre of the belt, while it is travelling. Taken from The Enginemans Master Key. L.F.R. Schnabel 1914 From plb at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 13 08:10:21 2004 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 23:10:21 +0800 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! References: <416D2A10.8040802@busynet.net> <416D3A34.000001.03392@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <025101c4b136$c42361e0$0100a8c0@Portable> Such helpful comments. And intelligent as well! Y'all need to come on down and show us Aussie hicks how to run our business. Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! That split rail fence is inadequate!!!! A rogue engine may jump the fence, or God forbid, smash through it in a random act of violence and attack an onlooker -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 10/13/04 09:53:58 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! > You have enlightened me Dave, and I have to thank you. A small child > near an engine and a drag saw, and then they steal from you. What is > this world coming to. The bloke from OZ. On the trailer behind the > fence. Pavlov perhaps. > > Jeff I am impressed with how dedicated this Aussie is, coming in and setting up a split rail fence just to protect the public from the engines. From the Cheddar Curtain - Bill Herreid _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Oct 13 08:32:53 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:32:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] NHMA - gonna alienate a lot of the snivelers - SO WHAT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200410131532.i9DFWvQo024657@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > was told by someone above me and I am expected to follow > suit and enforce this at the National being Safety Co-ordinator. Hey Adam, I'm surprised that no one has stated the REAL problem regarding this issue. It's not the insurance companies and it's not the sanctioning clubs. They are working within fixed constraints so that they can put on a show or remain in business. Now we'll talk about who is at fault. Many of you may be the cause and don't realize it. And you probably won't like this being thrown in your face. Too bad. You reap the seeds you sew. If you've ever sued for or accepted a settlement for suffering in excess of actual monetary damages, then YOU are the reason for all the regulation. If you've ever been on a jury and voted to compensate the paintiff in excess of actual monetary damages, then YOU are the reason for all the regulation. If you are a lawyer who as sued for a sum greater than actual monetary damages (like V.P. hopeful John Edwards), then YOU are the reason for all the regulation. If you supported or voted for legislation that allows compensation in excess of actual damages, then YOU are the cause of the regulation. If you've voted for a candidate that supports compensation in excess of actual damages, then YOU are the cause of the legislation. I'll bet that over half of the List members fall into the above categories. So stop complaining when an insurance company insists we put up fences, when YOU are the one who is so eager to punish the insurance companies. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From curt at imc-group.com Wed Oct 13 08:35:28 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:35:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! In-Reply-To: <416D3A34.000001.03392@NOTEBOOK> References: <416D2A10.8040802@busynet.net> <416D3A34.000001.03392@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <416D4B40.3090305@imc-group.com> Bob, Nor does it protect the engines from all those spectators. Those that might slip between or under the rails, and (even worse) those Democrats sitting ON the fence. :-) Curt P.S. I'll probably get flamed for that political comment. Slipping my Nomex on..... P.P.S. Where is your kewl sig line? Bob Jacobs wrote: >That split rail fence is inadequate!!!! A rogue engine may jump the fence, >or God forbid, smash through it in a random act of violence and attack an >onlooker > > > > > > > From paul at semidiesel.com Wed Oct 13 08:36:53 2004 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:36:53 +0100 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! In-Reply-To: <416D2D5F.CA96C3E8@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Fencing is not the problem, the following would apply to the operator in the UK: Sawdust (Licensing) Regulations 1983 Construction (Head Protection) Regulations 1989 - "non-approved safety helmet" Control of Sawdust at Work Regulations 1987 Control of Substances Hazardous to Health (COSHH) 1999 - "Section 10a, sawdust" Health and Safety (Consultation with Employees) Regulations 1996 - "unguarded saw and engine" Lifting Operations and Lifting Equipment Regulations (LOLER) 1998 - "timber weight over 25 kilos requires mechanical handling" Manual Handling Operations Regulations 1992 Noise at Work Regulations 1989 - "engine requires acoustic cabinet." Personal Protective Equipment Regulations (PPEW) 1992 - "non-approved safety clothing" Provision and Use of Work Equipment Regulations (PUWER) 1998 Work in Compressed Air Regulations 1996 - "if engine air start." Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992 - "use of unguarded saw." If the proper safety guidelines above had been followed, a fence would not have been required here in the UK. The machine and operator would have been safely encased in a large metal box with no windows and a dust filtration system and the public would have been completely safe. Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.771 / Virus Database: 518 - Release Date: 28/09/04 From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Oct 13 08:30:46 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:30:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] NHMA Message-ID: <20041013.115201.872.0.jlb94@juno.com> Sorry - Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:23:03 +1000 "Edd Payne" writes: > How do you work out that this is of topic.It is all related to > showing > engines or can't you comprehend this.As far as I know isn't this > list about > engines. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 1:30 > Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA > > > > All this talk about Free Speech - Fences - Insurance - - - Etc. > > > > And - - - I got balled out for being off topic because I asked > about a 9V > > flashlight. > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > jlb94 at juno.com > > ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - > > \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." > > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Certified virus free. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Oct 13 08:53:20 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:53:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! References: <416D2A10.8040802@busynet.net> <416D3A34.000001.03392@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <005201c4b13c$c35d1cf0$6b856ad5@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! That split rail fence is inadequate!!!! A rogue engine may jump the fence, or God forbid, smash through it in a random act of violence and attack an onlooker One thing in England is that a good number of shows insist that flywheels run parallel to the fence. The idea is that if something (Flywheel or saw) should come loose it won't go towards the audience. It might hit the next exhibit or exhibitor but they didn't pay for admission. 8^) In 25 years of engine shows I have seen incidents 3 times. Luckily no-one was hurt in any of these cases. Just mechanical damage or damage to underwear! Dave Croft From don.h at wcoil.com Wed Oct 13 10:22:21 2004 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:22:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! References: Message-ID: <007701c4b149$32d1dd80$6401a8c0@shop> >I don't agree with the fences, but we need SOMETHING between the exhibits > and the "city slickers" who come to the shows. On occasion we have even DON'T BE SO QUICK TO BLAME THING ON THE CITY SLICKERS A FEW YEARS AGO I WATCHED A MAN IN COVERALLS ABOUT BLOW ANOTHER MANS( IN COVERALLS) HEAD OFF WITH THE STEAM WHISTLE ON A STEAM ENGINE BECAUSE THE DRIVER RIDER DIDN'T LOOK AT THE FELLOW WHO CRAWLED UP ON THE ENGINE TO SEE SOMETHING. AND GOT IN A HURRY TO BLOW HIS WHISTLE AT 1200 AT THE PORTLAND SHOW ABOUT 10 MINUETS LATER HE ABOUT RAN OVER ANOTHER PERSON BECAUSE HE THREW IT IN GEAR TO LINE UP THE BELT ON A THRESHER AND IT WENT BACKWARDS INSTEAD OF FORWARDS iT WASN^T A CITY SLICKER DRIVING.. lets^S BLAME EVERYBODY FOR DUMB THINGS AT SHOWS NOT JUST CHOSEN FEW. TURN ON THE FLAME MACHINE DON IN OHIO From yostsw at atis.net Wed Oct 13 10:28:39 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:28:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: FAQ link from the Mailmain page In-Reply-To: <41675B85.2020006@steamengine.com.au> References: <41675B85.2020006@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <200410131328390250.08475CC3@heavyiron.atis.net> I couldn't add it to the subscription page without creating a special version of the page for SEL(The page is identical for all lists and just fills in the names and addresses depending on which list the user is requesting information for). I did however add it the ATIS FAQ page: http://www.atis.net/faqs.html Let me know what all of you think, Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 10/9/2004 at 1:31 PM Paul Pavlinovich wrote: >Hi Spencer, >How you doing? > >I was wondering if you could include a link to the Stationary Engine FAQ >on the mailman page? >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >The FAQ is at >http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/faq/index.html > >Regards >Paul > >-- > >pjp at steamengine.com.au >Emerald, Victoria, Australia >www.steamengine.com.au From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Oct 13 11:04:10 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:04:10 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! References: <416D4B40.3090305@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <416D6E1A.000001.03328@NOTEBOOK> YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT CURT!!!! I will not allow ANYONE to attack my helpless equipment. Guess my next purchase will simply have to be a BULLDOG engine to guard the fenceline!!! Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 10/13/04 11:35:18 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! Bob, Nor does it protect the engines from all those spectators. Those that might slip between or under the rails, and (even worse) those Democrats sitting ON the fence. :-) Curt P.S. I'll probably get flamed for that political comment. Slipping my Nomex on..... P.P.S. Where is your kewl sig line? Bob Jacobs wrote: >That split rail fence is inadequate!!!! A rogue engine may jump the fence, >or God forbid, smash through it in a random act of violence and attack an >onlooker > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Oct 13 11:12:12 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:12:12 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! References: <007701c4b149$32d1dd80$6401a8c0@shop> Message-ID: <416D6FFC.000003.03328@NOTEBOOK> About 20 years ago or so there was a (terminology used lightly here) engineer with an english steamer. This jerk never opened the cylinder petcocks and eventually blew the head off the cylinder. No one was hurt (thankfully) but that evening, in the campground, many people were commenting on the soggy soot everyone was bathed with due to the jerk. That's the worst incident I've seen other than the stupid stunt I pulled. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 10/13/04 13:24:31 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! >I don't agree with the fences, but we need SOMETHING between the exhibits > and the "city slickers" who come to the shows. On occasion we have even DON'T BE SO QUICK TO BLAME THING ON THE CITY SLICKERS A FEW YEARS AGO I WATCHED A MAN IN COVERALLS ABOUT BLOW ANOTHER MANS( IN COVERALLS) HEAD OFF WITH THE STEAM WHISTLE ON A STEAM ENGINE BECAUSE THE DRIVER RIDER DIDN'T LOOK AT THE FELLOW WHO CRAWLED UP ON THE ENGINE TO SEE SOMETHING. AND GOT IN A HURRY TO BLOW HIS WHISTLE AT 1200 AT THE PORTLAND SHOW ABOUT 10 MINUETS LATER HE ABOUT RAN OVER ANOTHER PERSON BECAUSE HE THREW IT IN GEAR TO LINE UP THE BELT ON A THRESHER AND IT WENT BACKWARDS INSTEAD OF FORWARDS iT WASN^T A CITY SLICKER DRIVING.. lets^S BLAME EVERYBODY FOR DUMB THINGS AT SHOWS NOT JUST CHOSEN FEW. TURN ON THE FLAME MACHINE DON IN OHIO _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldengin at udata.com Wed Oct 13 12:22:34 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:22:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] belt dressing In-Reply-To: <000e01c4b131$d4752f60$bcc68890@chaos> References: <000e01c4b131$d4752f60$bcc68890@chaos> Message-ID: <416D807A.4060807@udata.com> derek wrote: >Compound for belting :- >2 lb gum damar >4 lb castor oil >mix well, heat carefully. >skim the skum as it cools ;-) >~applied sparingly. Thin stream of the thick fluid run on the centre of the >belt, while it is travelling. > > >Taken from The Enginemans Master Key. L.F.R. Schnabel 1914 > > > > OK what is gum damar and where do you find it??? -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From curt at imc-group.com Wed Oct 13 12:36:18 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:36:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales In-Reply-To: <416D6FFC.000003.03328@NOTEBOOK> References: <007701c4b149$32d1dd80$6401a8c0@shop> <416D6FFC.000003.03328@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <416D83B2.4050105@imc-group.com> Bob Jacobs wrote: >That's the worst incident I've seen other than the stupid stunt I pulled. > > OK Bob I'll bite....tell us all about it. I'm sure there are several stories that members could share that are funny tales of things we've all done at an engine show. I've heard Kelley tell of an engine she took half apart only to discover it was simply out of gas. Dave had a "serious" electrical problem on his Domestic this weekend that required the use of a voltmeter and several electricians to diagnose the problem, only to be asked by a bystander if the battery saver might be why the buzz coil was not buzzing. Tell us your funny and maybe a little bit embarrassing engine stories. This could be a light and pleasant diversion from the fences and insurance thread. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC > > > > > > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Wed Oct 13 13:24:05 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:24:05 +0100 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales References: <007701c4b149$32d1dd80$6401a8c0@shop> <416D6FFC.000003.03328@NOTEBOOK> <416D83B2.4050105@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <416D8EE5.7DC512AD@insulate.co.uk> Curt wrote: > . Tell us > your funny and maybe a little bit embarrassing engine stories. This > could be a light and pleasant diversion from the fences and insurance > thread. What an excellent idea. I personally can't tell one because I never can start my engines myself :-( BUT, Jim says he will quite happily confess his stories. 1) Jim and twin brother Andy have the impulse mag off one of their first engines, a Wolseley WD, whilst at a family BBQ. Interested, our old dog, Rogan went over to see what they were up to. He sniffed Jim's leg at the exact moment the mag let one fly. Jim, Andy and Rogan all felt the whack, and Rogan ran off to the far end of the garden yelping. 2) Jim and Andy again. Both with streaming colds. With two identical cans of fuel, one containing paraffin and one containing petrol. The %^*ST"+d engine won't fire. About an hour and much bad language later, one of them resorted to tasting the fuel ... they'd had paraffin in the petrol engine. 3) You know what it's like when you are starting an engine - spend any time doing it and you soon have an interested crowd watching. Now make the location Portland, and the engine a certain well known half-breed and you can imagine the size of the crowd. There was a similar sized crowd up on the trailers, working up a communal sweat, scratching heads etc. Finally, someone leaned over from the far side and said "Is the gas turned on?" Jim says he's still thinking of more!!!! Dolly PS Curt, 'fess up. It's no good telling the stories of other folks' shortcomings! -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Oct 13 13:39:44 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] belt dressing In-Reply-To: <416D807A.4060807@udata.com> References: <000e01c4b131$d4752f60$bcc68890@chaos> <416D807A.4060807@udata.com> Message-ID: <14886.165.206.180.118.1097699984.squirrel@165.206.180.118> >>gum damar<< That's a Farengi officer on TNG. Bill > derek wrote: > >>Compound for belting :- >>2 lb gum damar >>4 lb castor oil >>mix well, heat carefully. >>skim the skum as it cools ;-) >>~applied sparingly. Thin stream of the thick fluid run on the centre of >> the >>belt, while it is travelling. >> >> >>Taken from The Enginemans Master Key. L.F.R. Schnabel 1914 >> >> >> >> > OK what is gum damar and where do you find it??? > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Wed Oct 13 13:41:11 2004 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:41:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales In-Reply-To: <416D83B2.4050105@imc-group.com> Message-ID: DANG IT! Is Rob using my name to pass off his stories again???!!! No more biscuits for him for a while! -- Kelley Garcia La Habra, Ka. USA On 10/13/04 12:36 PM, "Curt" wrote: > Bob Jacobs wrote: > >> That's the worst incident I've seen other than the stupid stunt I pulled. >> >> > > OK Bob I'll bite....tell us all about it. > > I'm sure there are several stories that members could share that are > funny tales of things we've all done at an engine show. I've heard > Kelley tell of an engine she took half apart only to discover it was > simply out of gas. Dave had a "serious" electrical problem on his > Domestic this weekend that required the use of a voltmeter and several > electricians to diagnose the problem, only to be asked by a bystander if > the battery saver might be why the buzz coil was not buzzing. Tell us > your funny and maybe a little bit embarrassing engine stories. This > could be a light and pleasant diversion from the fences and insurance > thread. > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Oct 13 14:00:51 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:00:51 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales References: <416D83B2.4050105@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <416D9783.000001.00820@NOTEBOOK> -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 10/13/04 15:34:32 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales Bob Jacobs wrote: >That's the worst incident I've seen other than the stupid stunt I pulled. > > >>OK Bob I'll bite....tell us all about it. Ok, sure, why not. Nobody here knows me anyhow so I won't have to hide at the shows yet!!!! My father and I were asked to take dad's Steamer and our gas engines to a little show just nine miles from home. At that time we had around 40 engines, most ran, a few looked like they could and several for "spare parts". The week before the show we pulled everything out of the barn and washed them up. Now dad and I always liked to run them "as is". Not the glitzy, glamour show pieces but more of life at the farm" exhibit. The first day of the show was marvelous, hundreds of "hands on" people helping out, lots of old friends of dad's sitting and swapping stories etc. Everything a show should be. The second morning one of dad's old friends pulled up to our area in his old pickup and yelled for me to help him unload an engine dad had bought sometime before but never picked up. There in the truck was a near perfect 1 1/2 hp jumbo engine. This engine was clean, complete and perfect. We set it in the shade and I started checking it over. Good hot spark, timing seemed right, ignitor appeared to be good and nothing on the engine showed much wear at all, but she just wouldn't bark. After several hours of fussing around her we pulled the ignitor for the umpteenth time and someone suggested that maybe fuel wasn't getting into the cylinder at all. I, in my then youthfull enthusiasim, stuck my right index finger into the ignitor hole and (need I say anymore)????? From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 13 07:38:45 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:38:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <4.2.0.58.20041011141706.0230b008@mail.keyconn.net><006c01c4afcf$436378a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net><005701c4b00e$0c64cd60$6401a8c0@BillyBob><009701c4b080$d0e53040$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <002901c4b0b8$c3dc4400$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <007901c4b16a$bf5847a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > > the bridge was built in 1884,,, so it must really be an early Fairbanks, > my guess it's even hit and miss,, ;) oh I dunno , from where Im siting it looks like an Advance , Hagan made a 20 didnt they ? Would an early Charter be too much to shoot for ? Sleep tight From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 13 13:52:29 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:52:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] belt dressing References: <000e01c4b131$d4752f60$bcc68890@chaos> Message-ID: <007d01c4b16a$c11d7740$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> whats a damar ? Is that asking for aqua fortis and oil of merbane ? I sell VHT track bite at work . You spray it on your tires at the drag strip It smells like bubblegum and is very sticky . Limited experiments on leather and canvas show positive reults , but the methanol in it makes it a hazmat on UPS . doubles the price . > Compound for belting :- > 2 lb gum damar > 4 lb castor oil > mix well, heat carefully. > skim the skum as it cools ;-) > ~applied sparingly. Thin stream of the thick fluid run on the centre of the > belt, while it is travelling. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Oct 13 15:32:13 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:32:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA In-Reply-To: <000201c4b05b$5515a190$db4b1fd3@km> Message-ID: <200410132232.i9DMWIft044026@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I was not going to buy into this, but really! The Naracoorte Rally seems to be trying its hardest to piss off those who are thinking of attending. The resolution is simple. If the club is going to enforce rules different to those in the NHMA guidelines I expect to see them in the advertising for the rally. If they do attempt to enforce the non-NHMA rules without prior advertising they can be found to be in breach of the trade practices act. The least that will happen is that the club will be fined and be de-registered. If nothing else I want to see someone try and enforce this bit of abject stupidity. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- G'Day Adam I tried really hard to stay out of it this time around, but what are you on about > > Gents and Ladies, > to abtain NHMA insurance the following must occur... > > 1. You must be a member of an affiliated club (there are close to 150 of them I believe) > > 2. You must be an exhibitor to enter a compound and of course hold an insurance card from your Club > tell me if I am wrong but you join a club pay your fees and get your insurance, got nothing to do with being a exhibitor, but if you are saying that you cannot enter a compound without being an exhibitor even if you are a club member is totally stupid something that I have never heard of before and would defy logic, but then again a lot of what has been said falls into that group already. The only section of the RULES? I can find is 1.4 ACCESS TO COMPOUND. Only insured operators of engines and machinery and insured club members are to be allowed within the compound while engines and machinery are operating. which is completely different to what you have stated. Several times people on this list have made statements, some totally wrong or at the least confusing, if people like yourself (official of the national) cannot get it right then you must understand why the rest of us dummies are confused. I have no problems with the fences, put denying entry to a compound to a guest under supervision really gets up my noise, then statements like having to be an exhibitor would really piss me and a lot of others off. waiting to be un-confused Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Oct 13 15:41:48 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:41:48 EDT Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update Message-ID: <30.628379ba.2e9f092c@aol.com> In a message dated 10/12/2004 1:13:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bboyce at swat.coop writes: << ,i just hope the railroad people will let me know when they're going to move it, its 75 miles from here,,, and they are so hard to reach by phone >> Bill, Write the CEO back thanking him for what he is doing for you and ask if it can be arranged for notification of you he moving date so you can record it for history. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed Oct 13 16:07:43 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:07:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] belt dressing Message-ID: <200410132307.i9DN7lPC062073@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hello, Probably just a coincidence ,take a look at Ebay 3846064345 .I know a solid is preferred but this stuff might work in a pinch. Jimmy O' From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Oct 13 16:22:34 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:22:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! References: <416D2A10.8040802@busynet.net> <416D3A34.000001.03392@NOTEBOOK> <005201c4b13c$c35d1cf0$6b856ad5@no1> Message-ID: <002701c4b17b$857a6020$8a63fea9@sweeper> Dave We have that also in the NHMA Guidelines. In fact we had an incident a few years ago when we put on a display at a race course. We had a fly wheel come off and ended up on the other side of the track. Fortunately it did not hit any one. The most disappointing thing was that those in the compound did not it had happened until a lady carried it over and asked if it belonged to us. How embarrassing. I know you are goping to ask how a lady carried a fly wheel but those on Moffat are not that heaving. Since that date we always run our engines parallel to the fence. As for the barrier the motor was behind I think it was fairly old and loosely tied para-webbing but I am not sure. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 1:53 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Jacobs" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! > > > That split rail fence is inadequate!!!! A rogue engine may jump the fence, > or God forbid, smash through it in a random act of violence and attack an > onlooker > > One thing in England is that a good number of shows insist that > flywheels run parallel to the fence. > The idea is that if something (Flywheel or saw) should come loose > it won't go towards the audience. > It might hit the next exhibit or exhibitor but they didn't pay for admission. 8^) > In 25 years of engine shows I have seen incidents 3 times. > Luckily no-one was hurt in any of these cases. > Just mechanical damage or damage to underwear! > Dave Croft > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Oct 13 16:38:41 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:38:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: <200410132232.i9DMWIft044026@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <006101c4b17d$c5e93580$8a63fea9@sweeper> Patrick I am with you and your comments. I assume that we are talking here about access to the compound by members who are not showing engines. If this is the then Clause 1.3 of the Safety Guidelines must be followed. Unless it has changed my copy indicates without writing it out that any club member with insurance can enter a compound with or without an engine. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 8:32 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] NHMA > I was not going to buy into this, but really! The Naracoorte Rally seems to > be trying its hardest to piss off those who are thinking of attending. > The resolution is simple. If the club is going to enforce rules different to > those in the NHMA guidelines I expect to see them in the advertising for the > rally. If they do attempt to enforce the non-NHMA rules without prior > advertising they can be found to be in breach of the trade practices act. > The least that will happen is that the club will be fined and be > de-registered. > If nothing else I want to see someone try and enforce this bit of abject > stupidity. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > > G'Day Adam > > I tried really hard to stay out of it this time around, but what are you on > about > > > > > Gents and Ladies, > > to abtain NHMA insurance the following must occur... > > > > 1. You must be a member of an affiliated club (there are close to 150 of > them I believe) > > > > 2. You must be an exhibitor to enter a compound and of course hold an > insurance card from your Club > > > > tell me if I am wrong but you join a club pay your fees and get your > insurance, got nothing to do with being a exhibitor, > but if you are saying that you cannot enter a compound without being an > exhibitor even if you are a club member is totally stupid something that I > have never heard of before and would defy logic, but then again a lot of > what has been said falls into that group already. > The only section of the RULES? I can find is > > 1.4 ACCESS TO COMPOUND. > Only insured operators of engines and machinery and insured club members are > to be allowed within the compound while engines and machinery are operating. > > which is completely different to what you have stated. > Several times people on this list have made statements, some totally wrong > or at the least confusing, if people like yourself (official of the > national) cannot get it right then you must understand why the rest of us > dummies are confused. > > I have no problems with the fences, put denying entry to a compound to a > guest under supervision really gets up my noise, then statements like having > to be an exhibitor would really piss me and a lot of others off. > > waiting to be un-confused > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow NSW OZ > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Oct 13 16:41:56 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:41:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! References: Message-ID: <008301c4b17e$39a58140$8a63fea9@sweeper> Gawd you have as many Laws and Regulations as we have in OZ. But on some topics we have double Federal and State. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Evans" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 1:36 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! > Fencing is not the problem, the following would apply to the operator in the UK: > > Sawdust (Licensing) Regulations 1983 > Construction (Head Protection) Regulations 1989 - "non-approved safety helmet" > Control of Sawdust at Work Regulations 1987 > Control of Substances Hazardous to Health (COSHH) 1999 - "Section 10a, sawdust" > Health and Safety (Consultation with Employees) Regulations 1996 - "unguarded saw and engine" > Lifting Operations and Lifting Equipment Regulations (LOLER) 1998 - "timber weight over 25 kilos > requires mechanical handling" > Manual Handling Operations Regulations 1992 > Noise at Work Regulations 1989 - "engine requires acoustic cabinet." > Personal Protective Equipment Regulations (PPEW) 1992 - "non-approved safety clothing" > Provision and Use of Work Equipment Regulations (PUWER) 1998 > Work in Compressed Air Regulations 1996 - "if engine air start." > Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992 - "use of unguarded saw." > > If the proper safety guidelines above had been followed, a fence would not have been required here > in the UK. > The machine and operator would have been safely encased in a large metal box with no windows and a > dust filtration system and the public would have been completely safe. > > Paul > > http://www.internalfire.com > Internal Fire, Museum of Power > Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales > Tel: 01239 811212 > > Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.771 / Virus Database: 518 - Release Date: 28/09/04 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Wed Oct 13 16:56:00 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:56:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] belt dressing References: <000e01c4b131$d4752f60$bcc68890@chaos> <416D807A.4060807@udata.com> Message-ID: <004501c4b180$317507a0$9b5c14d0@net.telenet.net> http://snipurl.com/9r3s http://snipurl.com/9r3v Looks like it is tree sap from the Damar tree. I'm betting that pine sap would work as good or better. Don't think I would mix it and heat it indoors though. Not really a big fan of pine scented housewares.. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy C." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] belt dressing > derek wrote: > > >Compound for belting :- > >2 lb gum damar > >4 lb castor oil > >mix well, heat carefully. > >skim the skum as it cools ;-) > >~applied sparingly. Thin stream of the thick fluid run on the centre of the > >belt, while it is travelling. > > > > > >Taken from The Enginemans Master Key. L.F.R. Schnabel 1914 > > > > > > > > > OK what is gum damar and where do you find it??? > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com Wed Oct 13 17:05:10 2004 From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:05:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <004a01c4b0cc$af6cda20$0400a8c0@paul> Message-ID: <007f01c4b181$79223900$6bc57040@user> My uncle was not one to spend any money unless he had to. He used liquid dish soap. Squirt it on the belt as it ran. Cut a lot of wood that way. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" To: "SEL" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:31 PM Subject: Fw: [SEL] Belt Dressing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing Hi All so all we have to do is come up with a binder for this rosin, that does not make things slick, my first thought was beeswax, but that is used as lubricate, so no go Paul Waugh >> Also dance suppliers. Ballerinas jump in a box of powdered rosin to get >> their pointe shoes nice and sticky immediately before dancing out on >> stage, so they don't slip down on their bums in front of everybody. >> > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Oct 13 17:38:18 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:38:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales References: <416D83B2.4050105@imc-group.com> <416D9783.000001.00820@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <002001c4b186$19f83f10$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> OK, my turn. Not an antique engine, but I think it should qualify. I was about 13 or so, and trying to get a Cushman scooter to run. I don't know why I thought the piston might not be going up and down, but I figured out a great way to check it. Stick my finger in the exhaust port while my buddy kicked it over. Long port, short finger, and just the slightest bit of finger tip in the cylinder. White as a sheet and shaking all over. What the hell was I thinking came to my mind. Lesson learned with little damage, and my "buddy" rolling on the floor laughing. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ PS These stories are so much alike I kept them together. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 10/13/04 15:34:32 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales Bob Jacobs wrote: >That's the worst incident I've seen other than the stupid stunt I pulled. > > >>OK Bob I'll bite....tell us all about it. Ok, sure, why not. Nobody here knows me anyhow so I won't have to hide at the shows yet!!!! My father and I were asked to take dad's Steamer and our gas engines to a little show just nine miles from home. At that time we had around 40 engines, most ran, a few looked like they could and several for "spare parts". The week before the show we pulled everything out of the barn and washed them up. Now dad and I always liked to run them "as is". Not the glitzy, glamour show pieces but more of life at the farm" exhibit. The first day of the show was marvelous, hundreds of "hands on" people helping out, lots of old friends of dad's sitting and swapping stories etc. Everything a show should be. The second morning one of dad's old friends pulled up to our area in his old pickup and yelled for me to help him unload an engine dad had bought sometime before but never picked up. There in the truck was a near perfect 1 1/2 hp jumbo engine. This engine was clean, complete and perfect. We set it in the shade and I started checking it over. Good hot spark, timing seemed right, ignitor appeared to be good and nothing on the engine showed much wear at all, but she just wouldn't bark. After several hours of fussing around her we pulled the ignitor for the umpteenth time and someone suggested that maybe fuel wasn't getting into the cylinder at all. I, in my then youthfull enthusiasim, stuck my right index finger into the ignitor hole and (need I say anymore)????? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Oct 13 17:50:27 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:50:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] NHMA - gonna alienate a lot of the snivelers - SO WHAT References: <200410131532.i9DFWvQo024657@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <002f01c4b187$cc735bb0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Rob, I've never sued, but have been, and you are correct. Hot coffee and McDonalds comes to mind. I think that really started it in this country. Can't get on my soapbox on this right now though. Debate is coming up and I want to watch your buddy, (flame suits on), debate himself, and then listen to Bush's reply. :-)) Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 9:32 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] NHMA - gonna alienate a lot of the snivelers - SO WHAT > >> was told by someone above me and I am expected to follow >> suit and enforce this at the National being Safety Co-ordinator. > > Hey Adam, > I'm surprised that no one has stated the REAL problem regarding this > issue. > It's not the insurance companies and it's not the sanctioning clubs. They > are > working within fixed constraints so that they can put on a show or remain > in > business. > > Now we'll talk about who is at fault. Many of you may be the cause and > don't > realize it. And you probably won't like this being thrown in your face. > Too > bad. You reap the seeds you sew. > > If you've ever sued for or accepted a settlement for suffering in excess > of > actual monetary damages, then YOU are the reason for all the regulation. > If > you've ever been on a jury and voted to compensate the paintiff in excess > of > actual monetary damages, then YOU are the reason for all the regulation. > If you > are a lawyer who as sued for a sum greater than actual monetary damages > (like > V.P. hopeful John Edwards), then YOU are the reason for all the > regulation. If > you supported or voted for legislation that allows compensation in excess > of > actual damages, then YOU are the cause of the regulation. If you've voted > for a > candidate that supports compensation in excess of actual damages, then YOU > are > the cause of the legislation. > > I'll bet that over half of the List members fall into the above > categories. So > stop complaining when an insurance company insists we put up fences, when > YOU > are the one who is so eager to punish the insurance companies. > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jbcast at charter.net Wed Oct 13 05:59:08 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:59:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere Message-ID: <3948se$a0op8o@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net> > I finally had a chance to go over the 214 John Deere and have a look at the > points. They are located on the front of the engine behind the grill. Not the > easiest things to get to. They were pitted and mildly corroded and gaped way out > to .027! We dressed them with a file and emery cloth and reset the gap. I took it > out and worked the crap out of it and when it was warmed up I could not get it to > act up at all. I am thinking this may have the problem licked. Kohler uses point gap to set the timing, it has battery ignition and the gap is not critical to the firing. There should be a timing mark on the flywheel, visible through a hole in the cover, widening the gap advances the timing. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA. From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Oct 13 18:41:46 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:41:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] belt dressing, now damar In-Reply-To: <004501c4b180$317507a0$9b5c14d0@net.telenet.net> References: <000e01c4b131$d4752f60$bcc68890@chaos> <416D807A.4060807@udata.com> <004501c4b180$317507a0$9b5c14d0@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <354302DC-1D82-11D9-8B65-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> It's a fossil resin dug out of the ground in Africa, as is copal. Kind of like amber. All of these have been dug and ground up by the thousands of tons to make old fashioned oil varnish, before the development of the synthetic resins. For varnish, they're molten and blended with drying oils like linseed and thinned with turpentine or mineral spirits. Castor oil, with which the damar was to be mixed in the belt dressing recipe, gets sticky and gummy but never dries the way boiled linseed oil does. Raw linseed oil stays gummy and would likely be a good substitute for castor oil, which has gotten hard to find in bulk these days. Rosin would be a direct substitute for damar for this purpose. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From alanb2 at webtv.net Wed Oct 13 18:56:27 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:56:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales In-Reply-To: "Jeff Allen" 's message of Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:38:18 -0600 Message-ID: <20440-416DDCCB-1624@storefull-3276.bay.webtv.net> Hi Folks, How about silly things spectators have said to us? At the first Buckley, Michigan show after the Medina, Ohio tragedy I had my 1 1/2HP TG Cushman Model 21 Type X running sweetly. Her water was boiling a bit and putting off steam. Now,,, I am a guy that always is ready to listen to the wise words of the older guys that come by so when that old feller stopped I was waiting to learn some interesting new fact,,,,,, He pointed at Cushy and asked me, "Aren't you afraid that steam engine will blow up like that one in Ohio did?" He really did look worried like he thought I shouldn't be running it. I couldn't help it,,,,, I told him, "Oh, I know,,, Wasn't that terrible? That is why I cut that hole in the top of the boiler. Now it can only make steam. It can't build up any pressure." He just shook his head like he understood and moved on. This year I had a guy ask me why these engines weren't still used more. He said he has watched H&M engines run all day on the little bit of gas in the glass thing on top of the engine. 8>)) This guy was 55-60 years old. I tipped one of my engines over and showed him the gas tank under the base and told him how the drops of oil lubricated the piston and dropped through the hole to lube the wrist pin. I had a rod and piston out of the engine I was working on. I figure they were both City Slickers. The one this year had been snookered by someone in the past real good. Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Oct 13 19:14:13 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:14:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] NHMA - gonna alienate a lot of the snivelers - SO WHAT In-Reply-To: <002f01c4b187$cc735bb0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <200410140214.i9E2EbBu058708@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > want to watch your buddy, (flame suits on), debate himself, > and then listen to Bush's reply. :-)) Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever side you're on, you've got to admit that Kerry is mopping the floor with Bush. It's like watching a boxing match, you know... when the fighters aren't all that good, and you think, "Hell! I could kick that guy's butt!" Rob P.S. See you on the Slick Willy List! From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 13 19:21:48 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:21:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to Talk to Electrician Off List Message-ID: <000801c4b194$913c97c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Would like to talk to an electrician Off List please! Paul From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Oct 13 19:28:04 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:28:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] NHMA - gonna alienate a lot of the snivelers - SO WHAT In-Reply-To: <002f01c4b187$cc735bb0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> References: <200410131532.i9DFWvQo024657@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002f01c4b187$cc735bb0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: On the excessive litigation issue, here's something interesting I just ran across today: http://www.truestellaawards.com/ John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed Oct 13 19:41:47 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:41:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: <20041013.115201.872.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <000f01c4b197$5af80c00$5c6f29cb@oemcomputer> OK! EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 1:30 Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA > Sorry - > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - > \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:23:03 +1000 "Edd Payne" > writes: > > How do you work out that this is of topic.It is all related to > > showing > > engines or can't you comprehend this.As far as I know isn't this > > list about > > engines. > > EDD PAYNE > > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > > 0263742387 > > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 1:30 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA > > > > > > > All this talk about Free Speech - Fences - Insurance - - - Etc. > > > > > > And - - - I got balled out for being off topic because I asked > > about a 9V > > > flashlight. > > > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > > jlb94 at juno.com > > > ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - > > > \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." > > > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Certified virus free. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. From solarrog at pacbell.net Wed Oct 13 19:57:02 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:57:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hot seat off topic References: <200410140214.i9E2EbBu058708@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <019e01c4b199$7b0b7e80$21f1af40@solar> Maybe if you count misinformation as a mop Go read unfit to comand I have seen the F-911 movie and read The book Truth is I dont like either of them. but Heather Locklear isnt running. Id buy that for a dollar. RogerFrom: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 7:14 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] NHMA - gonna alienate a lot of the snivelers - SO WHAT > > > want to watch your buddy, (flame suits on), debate himself, > > and then listen to Bush's reply. :-)) > > Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever side you're on, you've got to admit that Kerry is > mopping the floor with Bush. It's like watching a boxing match, you know... > when the fighters aren't all that good, and you think, "Hell! I could kick that > guy's butt!" > > Rob > > P.S. > See you on the Slick Willy List! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 13 20:14:46 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Slick Message-ID: <20041014031446.29974.qmail@web20224.mail.yahoo.com> Well, since I keep getting all this BULLSHIT that belongs on Slick Willy, I'm outta here. I get enough of the political crap elsewhere without receiving it in suppository form here. Joe ===== Joe Prindle Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI www.badgersteamandgas.com Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 ***************** "Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" Old Irish Proverb ****************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From fsarm at netnitco.net Wed Oct 13 20:23:35 2004 From: fsarm at netnitco.net (Fred Armstrong) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:23:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bessemer Building Message-ID: <003201c4b19d$3cfcd180$ad6d0b42@netnitco> Great news! Just got back from NIHPA club meeting and it was decided to pursue construction of a building to permanently house the club's Bessemer engine (50hp). What is needed now is an idea for the design of the building which can be built economically. Would like to make the building large enough to accomodate two or three engines, possibly with one engine powering a mill and another a line shaft. Is there a registered Architect/Engineer on the list with license to stamp drawings in Indiana that would like to assist with this project? Does anyone have plans or ideas on such a building? Before the project is 100% go, we will need to present plans before the County Park Foundation for their blessing. Fred Armstrong From carrowor2002 at att.net Wed Oct 13 17:46:22 2004 From: carrowor2002 at att.net (Robert Jacobs) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:46:22 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales References: <002001c4b186$19f83f10$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <416DCC5E.000003.02600@NOTEBOOK> Jeff said: What the hell was I thinking came to my mind. Lesson learned with little damage, and my "buddy" rolling on the floor laughing. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA Ditto Jeff LOL, I never before realized what a wonderful sheer a piston in a cylinder is!!! I too, was fortunate enough to retain the finger, but have two permanent marks on it from embedded grease/carbon and the few times I've had to take someone else to the emergency room the darned dr. still holds his sides from laughter!!! Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From carrowor2002 at att.net Wed Oct 13 19:05:33 2004 From: carrowor2002 at att.net (Robert Jacobs) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:05:33 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales References: <20440-416DDCCB-1624@storefull-3276.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <416DDEED.000001.03444@NOTEBOOK> >This year I had a guy ask me why these engines weren't still used more. >He said he has watched H&M engines run all day on the little bit of gas >in the glass thing on top of the engine. 8>) ????SAY WHAT??????? Isn't that where the gas goes????? Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From adamcottrill at telstra.com Thu Oct 14 04:03:52 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:03:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] National Rally - my resignation Message-ID: Hi Everyone, throughout my recent time as Safety Co-ordinator for the National I have tried my very best to be fair and answer all questions to the best of my ability and still keep the hobby and exhibitors at heart The responses I have given are of the information I have given or interpreted from those above me. And I have stuck my neck out serveral times to seek change for what I believe to be the benefit of the national and hobby overall. However It has come to my attention that at least one club has complained to the NHMA or Rally Committe about my actions thus far and stated they will not be attending the rally if I am present as Safety Officer. They have also likened me to the Safety Officer who at the Bussleton National was found to launch empty coke cans from exhusts of engines to see how far they would go. I have no idea which club this is or how infact what actions I have done previously could have even remotly likened me to the above mentioned Safety Officer, but I feel having run rallys (including tractor pulls)as safety officer for almost the last 10 years with out accident, complication, rocket launches or dispute is something I should be proud of and infact I am! And therefore it is my beleif that it is in the best interests of everyone concerned that I step down as Safety Co-odinator of the 10th National Rally which I will formally do at the committe meeting next Thursday evening. As the end result of the rally depends on as many people attending as possible both exhibitors and public. My opinion is anything that may threaten this core requirement needs to be removed immediately. I have enjoyed myself 100% in my time with the National Committee and having input into the Natonal and I wish them all the very best and I still remain open to anyone and indeed the National Committee who needs assitance in regards to the safety side of our fantastic hobby. Any questions related directly to the National Rally from now on are to be directed to Mr Julian Price who's contact information is on the National Flyers and home page Regards, Adam Cottrill From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Oct 14 04:26:11 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:26:11 +0800 Subject: [SEL] re your resignation Adam Message-ID: <000d01c4b1e0$9f2e9f80$f7a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Adam ....don't let them beat you ,stick to your guns. This is very much akin to some that happened over your side a couple of years ago . If the unnamed club doesn't like it then they should stay away from the National. Re that safety officer at Busselton , is that an urban myth or did that really happen....I was there but never heard of it. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Oct 14 04:39:05 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:39:05 +0800 Subject: [SEL] engine signs and club badges Message-ID: <001301c4b1e2$6c5f80e0$f7a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> In the latest TOMMS there is an editorial regarding the type of information signs we put on our engines at shows . Some i have seen are what you would call minimalist ,just the makers name. Others give a fair amount of interesting detail ,i.e. name ,where the engine came from,a brief description of the restoration details. I don't believe in uniformity as some in my club do . By this I mean the name of the club and the bare details , not much interest for the public there . But don't forget to make your font large , remember they are peering over a FENCE. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Oct 14 04:41:32 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 04:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] National Rally - my resignation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16681.165.206.180.118.1097754092.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Anyone who has not launched a Coke can or tennis ball from the exhaust of a large engine just to watch it fly - raise their hand, er, type "not me". OK, not that I agree with everything Adam has ever said, but gee, I'd like to know what their beef is to make them "threaten" to not show if he's there. Hmmmmm, now if his name was Dave Kalsam, I know many many people who said they would not show at Waukee if he was show director so I know it happens, however, he rubbed a lot of folks the wrong way, and is thus no longer show director at Waukee (so all you folks staying away because of how things were - he is no longer director, his wife no longer club president, so come on back! It's fun again!) Bill > > Hi Everyone, > throughout my recent time as Safety Co-ordinator for the > National I have tried my very best to be fair and answer all > questions to the best of my ability and still keep the hobby > and exhibitors at heart > > The responses I have given are of the information I have given or > interpreted from those above me. And I have stuck my neck out serveral > times to seek change for what I believe to be the benefit of the national > and hobby overall. > > However It has come to my attention that at least one club has complained > to the NHMA or Rally Committe about my actions thus far and stated they > will not be attending the rally if I am present as Safety Officer. > > They have also likened me to the Safety Officer who at the Bussleton > National was found to launch empty coke cans from exhusts of engines to > see how far they would go. > > I have no idea which club this is or how infact what actions I have done > previously could have even remotly likened me to the above mentioned > Safety Officer, but I feel having run rallys (including tractor pulls)as > safety officer for almost the last 10 years with out accident, > complication, rocket launches or dispute is something I should be proud of > and infact I am! > > And therefore it is my beleif that it is in the best interests of everyone > concerned that I step down as Safety Co-odinator of the 10th National > Rally which I will formally do at the committe meeting next Thursday > evening. As the end result of the rally depends on as many people > attending as possible both exhibitors and public. My opinion is anything > that may threaten this core requirement needs to be removed immediately. > > I have enjoyed myself 100% in my time with the National Committee and > having input into the Natonal and I wish them all the very best and I > still remain open to anyone and indeed the National Committee who needs > assitance in regards to the safety side of our fantastic hobby. > > Any questions related directly to the National Rally from now on are to be > directed to Mr Julian Price who's contact information is on the National > Flyers and home page > > Regards, > Adam Cottrill > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Oct 14 04:44:54 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 04:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales In-Reply-To: <416DDEED.000001.03444@NOTEBOOK> References: <20440-416DDCCB-1624@storefull-3276.bay.webtv.net> <416DDEED.000001.03444@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <16718.165.206.180.118.1097754294.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Dunno HOW many times I've heard that one from folks - and even "old timers" calling them "steam engines". Yikes! An insult to us gas guys AND to the steam fellers! Quite a few, however, actually do ask "so where do you put the gas" when they walk up. They are showing some smarts and the desire to learn more. On the other hand - does anyone ever catch Jay Leno's Jaywalking? As Jay himself has said, Americans are really quite dumb. Bill > > > > >>This year I had a guy ask me why these engines weren't still used more. >>He said he has watched H&M engines run all day on the little bit of gas >>in the glass thing on top of the engine. 8>) > > ????SAY WHAT??????? > Isn't that where the gas goes????? > > > Bob > Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, > others just use the initials! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Oct 14 05:23:23 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:23:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Slick OT In-Reply-To: <20041014031446.29974.qmail@web20224.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041014031446.29974.qmail@web20224.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <416E6FBB.2050100@imc-group.com> Joe, Dude chill some! If memory serves me I only recall a handful of political comments on this list this year in advance of the election. Nothing at all like the election 4 years ago when the list got plain nasty and about 60% political. Considering all the crap you have dished out in the past directly aimed at several list members all "in the name of fun to imagine them squirming" (your words) I would hope your skin was thick enough to endure a few short comments ridiculing your lame Democratic candidate. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Joe Prindle wrote: >Well, since I keep getting all this BULLSHIT that belongs on Slick Willy, >I'm outta here. I get enough of the political crap elsewhere without >receiving it in suppository form here. >Joe > >===== >Joe Prindle >Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI >www.badgersteamandgas.com > > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu Oct 14 05:34:23 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:34:23 +0100 Subject: [SEL] National Rally - my resignation References: <16681.165.206.180.118.1097754092.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Message-ID: <416E724F.7028F78D@insulate.co.uk> Hi Bill bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > Anyone who has not launched a Coke can or tennis ball from the exhaust of > a large engine just to watch it fly - raise their hand, er, type "not me". While we're in the mood for confessions, we got a small plastic pop bottle right over the top of Abbey Pumping Station with Tillie last year. I will add that this activity was conducted "after hours" while the head curator of the museum was using the PA system to play his favourite Monty Python tunes. Including that well known sing-along one, The Penis Song. Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Thu Oct 14 05:42:08 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:42:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] National Rally - my resignation References: Message-ID: <003a01c4b1eb$3aa46620$291e31cb@oemcomputer> Sorry to here that you are doing this.There seems to be people who want to interpret rules and make things hard for us people who just want to have fun with our engines.I hope my comments of late didn't offend you as they weren't directed at you as I know you were only passing on what you have been directed to do by your committee.Maybe the club in question should direct there intension to the person or persons who fired the bullets that you are now having to duck EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:03 Subject: [SEL] National Rally - my resignation > Hi Everyone, > throughout my recent time as Safety Co-ordinator for the National I have tried my very best to be fair and answer all questions to the best of my ability and still keep the hobby and exhibitors at heart > I From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Oct 14 06:12:37 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:12:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] National Rally - my resignation References: Message-ID: <004601c4b1ef$7ab997e0$db4b1fd3@km> Adam Never met you and looking forward to fix that at the National, all your responses to the flack we have been firing lately were sincerely welcomed, it has been great that someone on this list has the contacts with the National committee to air what some of the hobby really think. I ask you to rethink your decision and fight for your job even if no one seems to give you thanks, We all must live with our past but you say "the NHMA or Rally Committee" so I assume you don't know the details wait and find out, and if your committee of the 10th National Rally is fair dinkem then they will stick by you and tell the unnamed club not to worry about attending. After all if you are not in that position we may not come either, so tell your committee that. hang in there Kerry PS. what law says you cannot fire a coke can, I did in the States and enjoyed it 8-)) Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines > > Hi Everyone, > throughout my recent time as Safety Co-ordinator for the National I have tried my very best to be fair and answer all questions to the best of my ability and still keep the hobby and exhibitors at heart > > The responses I have given are of the information I have given or interpreted from those above me. And I have stuck my neck out serveral times to seek change for what I believe to be the benefit of the national and hobby overall. > > However It has come to my attention that at least one club has complained to the NHMA or Rally Committe about my actions thus far and stated they will not be attending the rally if I am present as Safety Officer. > > They have also likened me to the Safety Officer who at the Bussleton National was found to launch empty coke cans from exhusts of engines to see how far they would go. > > I have no idea which club this is or how infact what actions I have done previously could have even remotly likened me to the above mentioned Safety Officer, but I feel having run rallys (including tractor pulls)as safety officer for almost the last 10 years with out accident, complication, rocket launches or dispute is something I should be proud of and infact I am! > > And therefore it is my beleif that it is in the best interests of everyone concerned that I step down as Safety Co-odinator of the 10th National Rally which I will formally do at the committe meeting next Thursday evening. As the end result of the rally depends on as many people attending as possible both exhibitors and public. My opinion is anything that may threaten this core requirement needs to be removed immediately. > > I have enjoyed myself 100% in my time with the National Committee and having input into the Natonal and I wish them all the very best and I still remain open to anyone and indeed the National Committee who needs assitance in regards to the safety side of our fantastic hobby. > > Any questions related directly to the National Rally from now on are to be directed to Mr Julian Price who's contact information is on the National Flyers and home page > > Regards, > Adam Cottrill > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Oct 14 06:35:51 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:35:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales References: <007701c4b149$32d1dd80$6401a8c0@shop><416D6FFC.000003.03328@NOTEBOOK> <416D83B2.4050105@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Gosh, where do I start? Lifted engines with chain thru and around flywheels. ~150 rockets to fix that :-)) Took the PO's word that it was timed. Wound up on the shop wall and shortly there after..reached terminal velocity just before the floor. "Damn, this thing wants to run..waahoo." My latest on the Gal Saw Outfit. When attaching the gov fork I tightened one bolt too tight and heard "that sinkin' feeling." Went into COMPLETE DENIAL and turned it around and did the same thing to the second bolt. Spud has built me a replacement along with that look dad used to give me. :-(( I'm sure there's others and more to come. Oh yea, asked the neighbor over idle conversation: "Which way do you think the engine turns on this saw outfit?" He said: "Look at the saw blade, dip$hit." later, RickinMt. From oldengineman at hotmail.com Thu Oct 14 10:05:20 2004 From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Pete Stauffer) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:05:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Keyway's (Maybe sorta kinda whatever OT) References: <000201c4b00c$552e99b0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><016a01c4b02c$bc068510$65218b90@userw32g91tqfi><000601c4b03d$fa5f26d0$8a63fea9@sweeper> <416BBB9E.FFDB89B9@insulate.co.uk> <004e01c4b05d$22af08c0$44a226ca@ogborneuah38i3><4023.165.206.180.118.1097595578.squirrel@165.206.180.118> <416C8DCE.8000207@udata.com> Message-ID: Hi Leroy, I checked my 3 GADE engines this morning before comming to work, and all 3 have the keyway in the crank at 90 degrees to the throw. Note however, the matching keyways in the flywheels are at 90 degrees from the counterweights. Thus the counterweights are opposite (180 degrees) from the crank throw. I sure don't know why GADE decided to do it this way, but they did! So go ahead and cut 'em in the model. Maybe someone else has more info. Pete Stauffer, oldengineman at hotmail.com Hidden deep in the hills of southern West Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy C." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:07 PM Subject: [SEL] Keyway's (Maybe sorta kinda whatever OT) > Gday, > As a few of you might now know I am building another model at this > time and I came to the part where you cut the keyway into the crank. > Guess what it is 90 degrees off the throws... I have played with a good > number of engins and seen a few more but this was a first, I contacted > the vendor and he assures me that all GADE engins where this way? WHY? > and do you know of any others that are not 180 out from the throw? Even > those with weights on the crank, that I have noticed, are 180 what is > the deal here? I set the crank into the fixture waiting to hear from the > vendor as I thought this might be his error and I was going to go the > 180 but he is set that it needs to be the 90. Now what? > > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Oct 14 07:40:46 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:40:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales Message-ID: <20041014.104046.948.1.jlb94@juno.com> I, in my then youthfull enthusiasim, stuck my right index finger into the ignitor hole and (need I say anymore)????? = = = = = = = What time is it Bob ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From EnginePaul at aol.com Thu Oct 14 10:47:19 2004 From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:47:19 EDT Subject: [SEL] Bessemer Building Message-ID: <148.35d11ebe.2ea015a7@aol.com> You might want to try a college architecture department. Most have architecture clubs associated and may like an opportunity to design something. Paul, Former Student, but still learning From yostsw at atis.net Thu Oct 14 13:59:32 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:59:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: STOVER ENGINE References: Message-ID: <200410141659320687.054B5D34@heavyiron.atis.net> Can some help this fellow? You will need to contact him directly at since he is not on the list Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** On 10/14/2004 at 2:47 PM jbaldwin at htva.net wrote: >I AM TRING TO FIND INFO ON A STOVER ENGINE I HAVE. CAN YOU HELP, OR CAN >YOU >REFER ME TO SOMEONE THAT CAN. THANK YOU JERRY E MAILjbaldwin at htva.net *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Oct 14 14:14:33 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:14:33 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables Message-ID: I am just drawing up a new lightweight 2-axle trailer that will fit inside the new van (with the drawbar removed) and the subject of breakaway chains and brake application safety cables was raised on one of the uk caravan (trailer home) newsgroups. I noticed at Portland that most guys use safety chains with electric brakes on their engine trailers, and overrun brakes are rarely used. What is the general feeling about safety chains and other forms of trailer retention after a tow hitch failure? In the UK, if we have a breakaway cable that pulls on the trailer brakes if it separates from the towing vehicle then we do not needs safety chains. I'm leaning towards fitting both on the new trailer and would appreciate any thoughts. The trailer is unbraked and 3/4 ton max gross weight. The drawbar is a single box section which is just under 9ft long, the trailer itself is just under 12ft long and will just about fill the van inside. Because of motorway (freeway) restrictions and tachograph requirements, it is easier when travelling back empty to carry the trailer inside than tow it, and on Ferry crossings like we do to Spain, it makes ?350 difference! Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Oct 14 14:47:40 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:47:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041014173840.02071490@mail.alltel.net> Hi Peter, >I am just drawing up a new lightweight 2-axle trailer that will fit inside the >new van (with the drawbar removed) Why in the hell would you want to do that? > and the subject of breakaway chains and brake >application safety cables was raised on one of the uk caravan (trailer home) >newsgroups. >I noticed at Portland that most guys use safety chains with electric brakes on >their engine trailers, and overrun brakes are rarely used. >What is the general feeling about safety chains and other forms of trailer >retention after a tow hitch failure? In the UK, if we have a breakaway cable >that pulls on the trailer brakes if it separates from the towing vehicle >then we >do not needs safety chains. We, here in the USA generally use BOTH safety chains AND a break-a-way cable if we have breaks on our trailer. Single axle trailers (usually) do no have breaks. >I'm leaning towards fitting both on the new trailer and would appreciate any >thoughts. > >The trailer is unbraked and 3/4 ton max gross weight. What the hell good is a 1500 lb. ton trailer? Here in the USA the lightest that we can licence is 3,000 lbs. If you have no brakes then use safety chains! >The drawbar is a single >box section which is just under 9ft long, the trailer itself is just under >12ft >long and will just about fill the van inside. Because of motorway (freeway) >restrictions and tachograph requirements, it is easier when travelling back >empty to carry the trailer inside than tow it, and on Ferry crossings like >we do >to Spain, it makes ?350 difference! I now understand why you want it to fit in your van! >Peter Dave PS, See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/trailer.html From jbcast at charter.net Thu Oct 14 16:09:53 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:09:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] fuel tank sealer-kwik poly Message-ID: <3h87rq$bn8u2r@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> I need some fuel tank sealer, I remember kwik poly changed names, is it still available, where, what name? Thanks, J.B. Castagnos From jdohagan at comcast.net Thu Oct 14 16:12:04 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:12:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Bessemer Building In-Reply-To: <003201c4b19d$3cfcd180$ad6d0b42@netnitco> Message-ID: <200410142312.i9ENC6l0062840@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Fred, First of all, build the biggest building you can afford and they will allow. You will fill it up fast enough. The steel buildings on concrete pads work well here in Ca. Our climate here is pretty stable in regard to expansion and contraction. Check with the steel building dealers, they probably can supply all the needed documents to satisfy the powers to be. Some times these same dealers have a building , that they will sell at a discount because the person that ordered it changed their mind and lost a substantial deposit. C Ya Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Fred Armstrong Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 8:24 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Bessemer Building Great news! Just got back from NIHPA club meeting and it was decided to pursue construction of a building to permanently house the club's Bessemer engine (50hp). What is needed now is an idea for the design of the building which can be built economically. Would like to make the building large enough to accomodate two or three engines, possibly with one engine powering a mill and another a line shaft. Is there a registered Architect/Engineer on the list with license to stamp drawings in Indiana that would like to assist with this project? Does anyone have plans or ideas on such a building? Before the project is 100% go, we will need to present plans before the County Park Foundation for their blessing. Fred Armstrong _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Oct 14 17:18:16 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:18:16 EDT Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales Message-ID: In a message dated 10/13/2004 10:00:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alanb2 at webtv.net writes: << How about silly things spectators have said to us? >> I have a "foot motor" which has a flywheel and is operated much like a treadle sewing machine. I have a big sign beside it FOOT MOTOR, the history of it, and tells the reader to feel free to operate it. Many spectators will walk by, see it running from the previous person, and ask "what makes it run?"!!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Oct 14 19:56:16 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:56:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] National Rally - my resignation References: Message-ID: <002c01c4b262$8accc030$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Adam, I have flamed you on the list, and I am not alone. I offer my sincere apology for doing so. I was not aware of your situation until this message. You are between a rock and a hard place, as we say in this country. Being between those that show and attend an event and the committee that makes the rules is not a place I would care to be in. You have been asked to enforce rules that many don't agree with, and have acted to make it known to those above you that there is a problem. For your work you have been flamed. You do care, and your resignation will be a loss for all in your country. It is clear that you are only the messenger, and have been shot for the delivery of the message. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 5:03 AM Subject: [SEL] National Rally - my resignation > > Hi Everyone, > throughout my recent time as Safety Co-ordinator for the > National I have tried my very best to be fair and answer all questions to > the best of my ability and still keep the hobby and exhibitors at heart > > The responses I have given are of the information I have given or > interpreted from those above me. And I have stuck my neck out serveral > times to seek change for what I believe to be the benefit of the national > and hobby overall. > > However It has come to my attention that at least one club has complained > to the NHMA or Rally Committe about my actions thus far and stated they > will not be attending the rally if I am present as Safety Officer. > > They have also likened me to the Safety Officer who at the Bussleton > National was found to launch empty coke cans from exhusts of engines to > see how far they would go. > > I have no idea which club this is or how infact what actions I have done > previously could have even remotly likened me to the above mentioned > Safety Officer, but I feel having run rallys (including tractor pulls)as > safety officer for almost the last 10 years with out accident, > complication, rocket launches or dispute is something I should be proud of > and infact I am! > > And therefore it is my beleif that it is in the best interests of everyone > concerned that I step down as Safety Co-odinator of the 10th National > Rally which I will formally do at the committe meeting next Thursday > evening. As the end result of the rally depends on as many people > attending as possible both exhibitors and public. My opinion is anything > that may threaten this core requirement needs to be removed immediately. > > I have enjoyed myself 100% in my time with the National Committee and > having input into the Natonal and I wish them all the very best and I > still remain open to anyone and indeed the National Committee who needs > assitance in regards to the safety side of our fantastic hobby. > > Any questions related directly to the National Rally from now on are to be > directed to Mr Julian Price who's contact information is on the National > Flyers and home page > > Regards, > Adam Cottrill > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Oct 14 15:17:02 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:17:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales References: <007701c4b149$32d1dd80$6401a8c0@shop><416D6FFC.000003.03328@NOTEBOOK><416D83B2.4050105@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00ed01c4b263$e6d8f0a0$d2111bd3@athlon> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" > Oh yea, asked the neighbor over idle conversation: "Which way do you think > the engine turns on this saw outfit?" He said: "Look at the saw blade, > dip$hit." It was a drag saw wasnt it? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From yostsw at atis.net Thu Oct 14 20:29:59 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:29:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] John Blue tractors References: <001c01c4a822$6674edb0$0100a8c0@George> Message-ID: <200410142329590140.06B0D2C9@heavyiron.atis.net> Herb Metz of the AT list asked that I cross post this to this list(and other) lists,. Thanks and please direct any replies to the email address in Herb note. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From: Herbert Metz To: AT at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:22 PM Subject: Re: John Blue tractors A John Blue tractor was exhibited at Canandaigua, N.Y. An antique tractor friend, loydearles at aol.com, recently bought this John Blue tractor (very similar to Allis G except 20 years newer, 10% larger, blue, etc). Loyd is interested in developing a list of current John Blue tractor owners. Less than 100 tractors were produced one year in the mid 1970's, as remembered by one of todays management. Today the company is part of CDS-John Blue, and continues in operation in Huntsville, Alabama; principal products are pumps, sprayers, etc. I offered assisting Loyd by sending this email to AT list members. So, if you or a friend have (or know of) a John Blue tractor, Loyd would appreciate your contacting him. Also appreciated (by me) would be someone sharing the above with the IHC list and the JD list and the SE list. I have seen one John Blue at a show several years ago; in Eagleville, TN (40 miles south of Nashville), if memory serves? Herbert Metz From pwaugh at mchsi.com Thu Oct 14 16:10:31 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:10:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041014173840.02071490@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001f01c4b243$05446d60$d778b4a6@PaulLaptop> Dave wrote > We, here in the USA generally use BOTH safety chains AND a break-a-way > cable if we have breaks on our trailer. Single axle trailers (usually) do > no have breaks. > on tandem axles they have one brake axle, DOT requires safety chains on all trailers and break away battery cable on tandem axle campers .. break away cable do work, least has for me so far .. just my 2 cents .. guess said same Dave said Paul Waugh From gibsongus at myway.com Thu Oct 14 22:08:36 2004 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 01:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] fuel tank sealer-kwik poly Message-ID: <20041015050836.36E5039BA@mprdmxin.myway.com> JB. any good motorcycle shop has it.-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Thu 10/14, < jbcast at charter.net > wrote: From: [mailto: jbcast at charter.net]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:09:53 +0000Subject: [SEL] fuel tank sealer-kwik poly I need some fuel tank sealer, I remember kwik poly changed names, is it still available, where, what name?Thanks,J.B. Castagnos_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Oct 14 22:47:07 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 06:47:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041014173840.02071490@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041014173840.02071490@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:47:40 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Peter, >>I am just drawing up a new lightweight 2-axle trailer that will fit inside the >>new van (with the drawbar removed) >Why in the hell would you want to do that? You've answered that one already, Dave, by reading the end of the post, but it's worth pointing out that we have some pretty arcane reg's here in the UK, and this gets round a lot of them for us. >We, here in the USA generally use BOTH safety chains AND a break-a-way >cable if we have breaks on our trailer. Single axle trailers (usually) do >no have breaks. Any reason for the ewxemption for single-axle? is it based on lower gross weight? >What the hell good is a 1500 lb. ton trailer? Here in the USA the lightest >that we can licence is 3,000 lbs. If you have no brakes then use safety chains! It seems small to you guys because you have much larger ratings and vehicles to pull them. Over here, the average US F250 long wheelbase crewcab would be an embarassment in some small towns and villages (but GREAT on the freeways!) 3/4 ton is quite useful in fact, as it covers the likes of Arnie's Fat Bastard engine and trailer for example, but we also have a 2.6 tonne trailer that we use for bigger stuff. To go any higher would need something different in the way of towing vehicle. >I now understand why you want it to fit in your van! Yup, that's a big incentive :-)0 >>Peter > Dave >PS, See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/trailer.html Had a look at that a few times since you put it up. Would like to get electric brakes over here, but very few people carry them and they are not type approved as far as I can find out from retailers. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From lfevans at pacbell.net Thu Oct 14 23:22:41 2004 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:22:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] fuel tank sealer-kwik poly In-Reply-To: <3h87rq$bn8u2r@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3h87rq$bn8u2r@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20041014231922.02303ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> J.B....... Per some recent info from Rob Skinner it is now called Xtreme Poly (or XP2000 per there web site). See http://www.xp2000.com/ Regards, Larry At 04:09 PM 10/14/2004, you wrote: >I need some fuel tank sealer, I remember kwik poly changed names, is it >still available, where, what name? >Thanks, >J.B. Castagnos > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Oct 15 04:19:18 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 07:19:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041014173840.02071490@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041015070758.020bb8a0@mail.alltel.net> >Any reason for the ewxemption for single-axle? is it based on lower gross >weight? It is regulated state by state, but here in PA (and I think the rest of the nation) anything under 3,000 lbs does not need brakes. I know a few people who have them on 3,000 lb trailers, but that's optional and not required by law. > >PS, See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/trailer.html > >Had a look at that a few times since you put it up. Would like to get electric >brakes over here, but very few people carry them and they are not type >approved >as far as I can find out from retailers. >Peter I'd check with the governmental agency that is in charge of such things if I were you. Don't trust someone who does not carry the item to tell you the truth on their legality! Dave PS, I haul my 15 HP Domestic (4,300 lbs. total weight) behind my F250 without brakes on it. Don't take it real far--1,000 mi show is about the farthest I ever go with it. Probably should have brakes in it, but since it's a "dedicated trailer" there is no licence required for it, and thus no brakes are required. From curt at imc-group.com Fri Oct 15 05:14:08 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:14:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching In-Reply-To: <16681.165.206.180.118.1097754092.squirrel@165.206.180.118> References: <16681.165.206.180.118.1097754092.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Message-ID: <416FBF10.5080704@imc-group.com> bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >Anyone who has not launched a Coke can or tennis ball from the exhaust of >a large engine just to watch it fly - raise their hand, er, type "not me". > > Bill, Like you, some of my best old engine times have been launching cans and bottles to the delight of kids. I use to drag the 6Hp Herc out in the driveway and aim the long 5' exhaust stack toward the neighbors yard. A group of kids would congregate and for hours would chase and fetch the bottle only to be reloaded again. At Portland a couple of years ago I launched a small tight fitting can from the Abbey exhaust pipe to the delight of a large collection of Amish boys. They also were eager to fetch the can where ever the currents carried it. Engine can & ball launching is an experience not to be missed nor will ever be forgotten by all the kids that see it. What we make fun for today's kids will nurture future engine hobbyists. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 15 05:27:24 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 06:27:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales References: <007701c4b149$32d1dd80$6401a8c0@shop><416D6FFC.000003.03328@NOTEBOOK><416D83B2.4050105@imc-group.com> <00ed01c4b263$e6d8f0a0$d2111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: No such luck Reg. It's on my circular saw outfit. I am looking for a drag saw tho. later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > Oh yea, asked the neighbor over idle > conversation: > "Which way do you think > > the engine turns on this saw outfit?" He said: "Look at the saw blade, > > dip$hit." > > It was a drag saw wasnt it? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From prepair at easynet.co.uk Fri Oct 15 06:18:17 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:18:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041015070758.020bb8a0@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041014173840.02071490@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041015070758.020bb8a0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 07:19:18 -0400, you wrote: > >>Any reason for the ewxemption for single-axle? is it based on lower gross >>weight? >It is regulated state by state, but here in PA (and I think the rest of the >nation) anything under 3,000 lbs does not need brakes. I know a few people >who have them on 3,000 lb trailers, but that's optional and not required by >law. But your vehicle gross weights are far higher for everyday pickups etc than ours. Anything over 3500kg (3.5 metric tonnes) gross is classed as a light truck (and handles like one!) >> >PS, See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/trailer.html >> >>Had a look at that a few times since you put it up. Would like to get electric >>brakes over here, but very few people carry them and they are not type >>approved >>as far as I can find out from retailers. >>Peter > >I'd check with the governmental agency that is in charge of such things if >I were you. Don't trust someone who does not carry the item to tell you the >truth on their legality! > Dave It is a fact, I checked the Construction & use reg's this week. Until there is a volume demand for them, and they compete with overrun or push brakes they won't sell them. >PS, I haul my 15 HP Domestic (4,300 lbs. total weight) behind my F250 >without brakes on it. Don't take it real far--1,000 mi show is about the >farthest I ever go with it. Probably should have brakes in it, but since >it's a "dedicated trailer" there is no licence required for it, and thus no >brakes are required. I think we have a similar dispensation but only for driving hours reg's, not for Construction & use etc. Appreciate the feedback, Dave, many thanks. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 15 07:03:15 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:03:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041014173840.02071490@mail.alltel.net><6.1.2.0.0.20041015070758.020bb8a0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Peter, we're required here in Montana to have chain(s). I've seen one and two used. The nice thing about two is that you can cross them and then hook them up. If the hitch ever comes off the ball, the tongue will not dig into the ground. Course they have to be the right length. I have been told that this is a requirement in some states, but can't reference it. Take Care, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prepair Ltd" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables > On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 07:19:18 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >>Any reason for the ewxemption for single-axle? is it based on lower > >>gross > >>weight? > >It is regulated state by state, but here in PA (and I think the rest of > >the > >nation) anything under 3,000 lbs does not need brakes. I know a few > >people > >who have them on 3,000 lb trailers, but that's optional and not required > >by > >law. > > But your vehicle gross weights are far higher for everyday pickups etc > than ours. Anything over 3500kg (3.5 metric tonnes) gross is classed > as a light truck (and handles like one!) > > >> >PS, See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/trailer.html > >> > >>Had a look at that a few times since you put it up. Would like to get > >>electric > >>brakes over here, but very few people carry them and they are not type > >>approved > >>as far as I can find out from retailers. > >>Peter > > > >I'd check with the governmental agency that is in charge of such things > >if > >I were you. Don't trust someone who does not carry the item to tell you > >the > >truth on their legality! > > Dave > > It is a fact, I checked the Construction & use reg's this week. Until > there is a volume demand for them, and they compete with overrun or > push brakes they won't sell them. > > >PS, I haul my 15 HP Domestic (4,300 lbs. total weight) behind my F250 > >without brakes on it. Don't take it real far--1,000 mi show is about the > >farthest I ever go with it. Probably should have brakes in it, but since > >it's a "dedicated trailer" there is no licence required for it, and thus > >no > >brakes are required. > > I think we have a similar dispensation but only for driving hours > reg's, not for Construction & use etc. > > Appreciate the feedback, Dave, many thanks. > > > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK > prepair at easynet.co.uk > http://www.prepair.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 15 08:01:40 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:01:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] fuel tank sealer-kwik poly References: <3h87rq$bn8u2r@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: J.B., If you can put it off for a day, I just got a quart of a 1 PART tank sealer. Never heard of it before. A local farm machinery owner/mechanic of over 30 years sold it to me. I poured it all into my ~3 gallon Gal tank and rolled it around for 15 minutes or so and drained it back into the can. Got about 90% of it back and will do it again after 24 hours has elapsed. He swears by it and say's it's a tank within a tank. Put the lid back on the quart and put 'er back up on the shelf. It can be thinned with MEK later on if needed. 25 rockets for a quart. Smells like the good ole yellow tubed "Seal-All" that's been around since I was a kid. One smell and you're goona go somewhere. Don't know where, but you're gonna go somewhere I know they have a website..will get back to the list later today. Rickin lalaland ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 5:09 PM Subject: [SEL] fuel tank sealer-kwik poly > I need some fuel tank sealer, I remember kwik poly changed names, is it > still available, where, what name? > Thanks, > J.B. Castagnos > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Fri Oct 15 08:09:09 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (diesel at easynet.co.uk) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:09:09 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041014173840.02071490@mail.alltel.net><6.1.2.0.0.20041015070758.020bb8a0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <1097852948.416fe814f41d0@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> Quoting Richard Strobel : > Peter, we're required here in Montana to have chain(s). I've seen one and > two used. The nice thing about two is that you can cross them and then hook > > them up. If the hitch ever comes off the ball, the tongue will not dig into > > the ground. Course they have to be the right length. I have been told that > this is a requirement in some states, but can't reference it. > > Take Care, > RickinMt. I did notice that on a couple of rigs I saw over there this year, probably at Tulare in April. Because the European industry tends to rely on overrun braking systems and break-away brake applications, there are no hard points provided for attaching chains, although I did notice a small loop on the new van towbar. The other option is to make a plate up with loops or hooks and bolt it between the tow ball and the towbar. It's pretty unlikely that you'll lose a ball off the bar, so I don't feel too uncomfortable about doing it that way. We don't have a removable tow hitch as such, so the hard point for the ball is the actual towbar rear face. I prefer the idea of both breakaway and chains, it's just implementing them and keeping safe at the same time. I've never had a trailer or caravan go awol yet, and hope not to have to live through the experience! :-)) Peter -- Peter Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel --------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.easynetdial.co.uk From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 14 10:05:28 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:05:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales References: <007701c4b149$32d1dd80$6401a8c0@shop><416D6FFC.000003.03328@NOTEBOOK> <416D83B2.4050105@imc-group.com> <416D8EE5.7DC512AD@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <000001c4b2ca$5f5ec200$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> , one of them > resorted to tasting the fuel ... they'd had paraffin in the petrol engine. > is this an offshoot of the obsolete medical profession of Uroscopy ? > 3) You know what it's like when you are starting an engine - spend any time > doing it and you soon have an interested crowd watching. Now make the > location Portland, and the engine a certain well known half-breed and you can > imagine the size of the crowd. There was a similar sized crowd up on the > trailers, working up a communal sweat, scratching heads etc. Finally, someone > leaned over from the far side and said "Is the gas turned on?" was that me ? Gosh where did all these good times go ? further south : What was it about 98 degrees that morning ? It was still before lunch so it hadnt broke 100 yet and I am cranking my ass off on my Reid with a crowd gathering . I stop and lean on the truck whilst the civies survey the situation . After regaining the ability to stand upright , I see that big pipe cap still screwed onto my inlet tube . (raincap) Unscrewed it , flicked her once and BAM ...........BAM ......BAM...BAMABAMABAM . Nobody noticed what I had done ! Favorite would be from the 3rd grader to the Maytag dude " Well , if you didnt have electricity or clothes driers ............................... how did you dry your clothes ? Vicariuosly experienced through SEL . but not to hear me tell it at work ;-) The Chuck From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Oct 15 09:08:15 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:08:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041014173840.02071490@mail.alltel.net><6.1.2.0.0.20041015070758.020bb8a0@mail.alltel.net> <1097852948.416fe814f41d0@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> Message-ID: <002c01c4b2d1$30eb4310$ad44e5d8@gary> Hi Peter, When I last built a tandem axle trailer I put brakes on both axles. I have pulled some pretty heavy loads with this trailer and knowing I have brakes on each axle is a comforting feeling. Going down a long steep hill here in the Ozarks with a load of wet sand I can use the trailer brakes to stop the truck. The trailer is all steel with 23" sides on a 5' x 10' frame. The point I really wanted to make is that safety chains are always a pain to store when not in use. I solved that problem by welding a link of chain on each side of the tongue A frame back toward the trailer box at 90* to the rail of the A frame. This gives me a place to hook the S hook in for storage. This way the chains are up off the ground and not just wrapped around the A frame arms. They look neater and don't rust as bad. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables > Quoting Richard Strobel : > > > Peter, we're required here in Montana to have chain(s). I've seen one and > > two used. The nice thing about two is that you can cross them and then hook > > > > them up. If the hitch ever comes off the ball, the tongue will not dig into > > > > the ground. Course they have to be the right length. I have been told that > > this is a requirement in some states, but can't reference it. > > > > Take Care, > > RickinMt. > > I did notice that on a couple of rigs I saw over there this year, probably at > Tulare in April. > > Because the European industry tends to rely on overrun braking systems and > break-away brake applications, there are no hard points provided for attaching > chains, although I did notice a small loop on the new van towbar. > > The other option is to make a plate up with loops or hooks and bolt it between > the tow ball and the towbar. It's pretty unlikely that you'll lose a ball off > the bar, so I don't feel too uncomfortable about doing it that way. We don't > have a removable tow hitch as such, so the hard point for the ball is the actual > towbar rear face. > > I prefer the idea of both breakaway and chains, it's just implementing them and > keeping safe at the same time. I've never had a trailer or caravan go awol yet, > and hope not to have to live through the experience! :-)) > > Peter > -- > > Peter Forbes > diesel at easynet.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > --------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through http://www.easynetdial.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From cgandree at mchsi.com Fri Oct 15 03:33:51 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:33:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: STOVER ENGINE Message-ID: <101520041033.20062.4932@mchsi.com> Spencer, Be glad to help Jerry with some history on his Stover engine. Just to let you and anyone else know I have access to the orginal Stover sales/shipping records and if anyone else on the list needs info just send me there serial numbers. I am in the process of duplicating the orginal ledgers to micro film for my local club in Freeport, Illinois (Stover Company birth place). Curt Andree > Can some help this fellow? You will need to contact him directly at > since he is not on the list > > Spencer Yost > Owner, ATIS > Plow the Net! > http://www.atis.net > > > *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** > > On 10/14/2004 at 2:47 PM jbaldwin at htva.net wrote: > > >I AM TRING TO FIND INFO ON A STOVER ENGINE I HAVE. CAN YOU HELP, OR CAN > >YOU > >REFER ME TO SOMEONE THAT CAN. THANK YOU JERRY E > MAILjbaldwin at htva.net > > *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Fri Oct 15 10:42:41 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:42:41 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables In-Reply-To: <002c01c4b2d1$30eb4310$ad44e5d8@gary> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041014173840.02071490@mail.alltel.net><6.1.2.0.0.20041015070758.020bb8a0@mail.alltel.net> <1097852948.416fe814f41d0@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> <002c01c4b2d1$30eb4310$ad44e5d8@gary> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:08:15 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Peter, > >When I last built a tandem axle trailer I put brakes on both axles. I have >pulled some pretty heavy loads with this trailer and knowing I have brakes >on each axle is a comforting feeling. What would be the advantage (if any, we don't see single-axle braking out of two here much) of just braking one axle ? I don't think we 'can't' do it, but I'd be interested to see if there is a good reason behind it. >Going down a long steep hill here in >the Ozarks with a load of wet sand I can use the trailer brakes to stop the >truck. The trailer is all steel with 23" sides on a 5' x 10' frame. The >point I really wanted to make is that safety chains are always a pain to >store when not in use. I solved that problem by welding a link of chain on >each side of the tongue A frame back toward the trailer box at 90* to the >rail of the A frame. This gives me a place to hook the S hook in for >storage. This way the chains are up off the ground and not just wrapped >around the A frame arms. They look neater and don't rust as bad. Use stainless steel chain: we've had a bit for chaining our trailer to a tree in the front of the house for many years, and always looks nice and doesn't leave rust marks anywhere. Stainless is getting almost as cheap as mild steel now, especially in standard fasteners where plated stuff is starting to creep very close to stainless. I like the storage idea, I'll have some thinking to do... :-)) >Gary Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Oct 15 12:02:06 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:02:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041014173840.02071490@mail.alltel.net><6.1.2.0.0.20041015070758.020bb8a0@mail.alltel.net><1097852948.416fe814f41d0@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk><002c01c4b2d1$30eb4310$ad44e5d8@gary> Message-ID: <003d01c4b2e9$7aef8c60$ad44e5d8@gary> I suppose the only advantage of brakes on one axle only is lower cost to the builder. For the add'l $100.00 or so I would prefer the added safety advantage of brakes on both axles. Some states require brakes on tandem axle trailers, while I understand a few don't. I believe some states require brakes on each axle. I have a 16' flatbed tandem axle trailer with brakes on just one axle and I have carried some pretty good loads on it, ie a couple of different John Deere D tractors (one at a time). The "D" weighs about 5000 lbs. The one axle brakes worked very well. This was at both freeway speeds and slower two lane Ozark Mtn. roads. When you see a trailer for sale advertised with brakes, either new or used, you must determine whether it has brakes on both axles, only one axle, or none at all. Trailers, identical except for brakes are manufactured and sold for hiway use and for farm use. Farm trailers used behind tractors or farm pickups usually don't have brakes. It is a short step to thinking of a trailer behind a heavy tractor moving a slow speeds to pulling it with a farm pickup and running down the road at higher speed. I was unhappy when I found that my flatbed trailer has brakes on only one axle, but I bought it anyway because of an immediate need. Gary > > > >When I last built a tandem axle trailer I put brakes on both axles. I have > >pulled some pretty heavy loads with this trailer and knowing I have brakes > >on each axle is a comforting feeling. > > What would be the advantage (if any, we don't see single-axle braking out of two > here much) of just braking one axle ? I don't think we 'can't' do it, but I'd > be interested to see if there is a good reason behind it. > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Oct 15 14:08:19 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 07:08:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching References: <16681.165.206.180.118.1097754092.squirrel@165.206.180.118> <416FBF10.5080704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003001c4b2fb$1ca928c0$21111bd3@athlon> Not here! Thats dangerous! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 10:14 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching > bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > > >Anyone who has not launched a Coke can or tennis ball from the exhaust of > >a large engine just to watch it fly - raise their hand, er, type "not me". > > > > > Bill, > Like you, some of my best old engine times have been launching cans and > bottles to the delight of kids. I use to drag the 6Hp Herc out in the > driveway and aim the long 5' exhaust stack toward the neighbors yard. A > group of kids would congregate and for hours would chase and fetch the > bottle only to be reloaded again. > At Portland a couple of years ago I launched a small tight fitting can > from the Abbey exhaust pipe to the delight of a large collection of > Amish boys. They also were eager to fetch the can where ever the > currents carried it. > Engine can & ball launching is an experience not to be missed nor will > ever be forgotten by all the kids that see it. What we make fun for > today's kids will nurture future engine hobbyists. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Fri Oct 15 14:07:47 2004 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:07:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Gem Article-Congratulations Tommy In-Reply-To: <007f01c4b181$79223900$6bc57040@user> Message-ID: <000001c4b2fb$06140fd0$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Tommy, congratulations on the nice article in GEM about your Kansas City Hay Press Lightning! Sure would like to have it in my stable. From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Fri Oct 15 14:53:06 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:53:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bill's Bridge Engine Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7026B46AD@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>Bill, >>Write the CEO back thanking him for what he is doing for you and ask if it >>can be arranged for notification of you he moving date so you can record it for >>history. >>Tom Schmutz >>Concord, Va. USA >>Germoamer at aol.com Yes - history, and a magazine article tooting KCS's (air) horn.' Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 15 15:41:57 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:41:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching References: <16681.165.206.180.118.1097754092.squirrel@165.206.180.118><416FBF10.5080704@imc-group.com> <003001c4b2fb$1ca928c0$21111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <001901c4b308$2dbeb640$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> I have plans for an OFEs style flame thrower if anyone is interested . Drop me a line and I will scan them and email you a copy On big motors , running under 60 , they are very impressive . Not an afterburner effect , uses propane instead of jellied gasolene it belches a ball of flame on the exh stroke . Tillie needs one of these things . Chuck ? "Far better to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory, nor defeat." Wendy O'Williams From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 15 15:45:17 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:45:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041014173840.02071490@mail.alltel.net><6.1.2.0.0.20041015070758.020bb8a0@mail.alltel.net><1097852948.416fe814f41d0@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk><002c01c4b2d1$30eb4310$ad44e5d8@gary> Message-ID: <004501c4b308$a50205e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > What would be the advantage (if any, we don't see single-axle braking out of two > here much) of just braking one axle ? I don't think we 'can't' do it, but I'd > be interested to see if there is a good reason behind it. Its cheaper From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 15 16:14:40 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:14:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] fuel tank sealer-kwik poly References: <3h87rq$bn8u2r@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: Here it is J.B. http://www.damonq.com/index.htm Look at "tech sheets" and on the second or third page is "Red-Kote." One quart is meant for a 24 gallon tank. I did the second coating this afternoon and still have ~ 80% left. I haven't ever used this so time will tell. The ole timer swears by it. I'll post a picture of the can shortly and post it. Good Luck RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] fuel tank sealer-kwik poly > J.B., If you can put it off for a day, I just got a quart of a 1 PART tank > sealer. Never heard of it before. A local farm machinery owner/mechanic > of over 30 years sold it to me. I poured it all into my ~3 gallon Gal > tank and rolled it around for 15 minutes or so and drained it back into > the can. Got about 90% of it back and will do it again after 24 hours has > elapsed. He swears by it and say's it's a tank within a tank. Put the > lid back on the quart and put 'er back up on the shelf. It can be thinned > with MEK later on if needed. 25 rockets for a quart. Smells like the > good ole yellow tubed "Seal-All" that's been around since I was a kid. > One smell and you're goona go somewhere. Don't know where, but you're > gonna go somewhere > > I know they have a website..will get back to the list later today. > > Rickin lalaland > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 5:09 PM > Subject: [SEL] fuel tank sealer-kwik poly > > > > I need some fuel tank sealer, I remember kwik poly changed names, is it > > still available, where, what name? > > Thanks, > > J.B. Castagnos > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Fri Oct 15 16:22:30 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:22:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching Message-ID: <000601c4b30d$d85655e0$be680b42@gnarmstrong> Chuck, I would like a copy. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Friday, October 15, 2004 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: can launching > >I have plans for an OFEs style flame thrower if anyone is interested . >Drop me a line and I will scan them and email you a copy >On big motors , running under 60 , they are very impressive . >Not an afterburner effect , uses propane instead of jellied gasolene > it belches a ball of flame on the exh stroke . >Tillie needs one of these things . > > > >Chuck ? > > > > > > > "Far better to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, >even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits >who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, >because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory, >nor defeat." Wendy >O'Williams > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Fri Oct 15 22:02:13 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 5:02:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] fuel tank sealer-kwik poly Message-ID: <3948se$ainmgb@mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net> Thanks for the replies on the fuel tank sealer, after Rob gave me the new name I ordered some. Rick, the product you're using looks interesting, let me know how it turns out. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Oct 16 00:15:10 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 08:15:10 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables In-Reply-To: <004501c4b308$a50205e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041014173840.02071490@mail.alltel.net><6.1.2.0.0.20041015070758.020bb8a0@mail.alltel.net><1097852948.416fe814f41d0@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk><002c01c4b2d1$30eb4310$ad44e5d8@gary> <004501c4b308$a50205e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:45:17 -0500, you wrote: > > > What would be the advantage (if any, we don't see single-axle braking out >of two >> here much) of just braking one axle ? I don't think we 'can't' do it, but >I'd >> be interested to see if there is a good reason behind it. > > >Its cheaper OK, that's an obvious reason, but I was thinking along the lines of better stability under braking with one axle not having brakes? Our trailer will get in a tangle sometimes when going down hill under braking (unloaded) and hitting a bump, the wheels will jump off the ground and lock up, then when they get back down again they will skid on the road. It's not as bad as it sounds, but occasionally causes a bit of excitement! One of the limitations of overrun braking. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From adamcottrill at telstra.com Sat Oct 16 04:36:33 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:36:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] My resignation Message-ID: Good evening Ladies and Gentlemen, Thanks so much to everyone on and off list for your emails it has been fantastic and really helped me get through the last 48 hours or so. Please be assured none of the "flameing" you guys have done as you put it has made me decide to resign. Your flameing is what I consider to be constructive criticism and is by no means personal. Mearly airing your point of view which is something I think is fantastic, ok some where pretty lively to say the least but I know the passion you have for this hobby; as I do. So I suspect all of us are guilty of maybe getting a bit too excited on some topic's once in a while simply because we are passionate about it. However as mentioned previously in my other email is what did make me decide to step aside. The club hosting the National is not my home club I was just assiting and driving 4 hours every fortnight to meetings over state lines and doing other stuff in between simply because the host club asked for help and I didnt hesitate to jump in because I love this hobby and I get a really kick out of seeing you guys enjoying rally day as safety officer, its a great ice breaker to meet people and make life long friends!!! If the host club was my own well I feel things would be different and I would be confident in going further. However over the recent times Id like to think I have placed the host club in the right direction in regards to the safety officer side of things and know of two great guys who are in the host club who ive got up to speed on what the requirements are and I suspect will be taking over my position and I think the host club now has the ability to stand on its own two feet and run the show. I dont know who the club who complained is and im not sure if I really want to, but I believe we are all constantly learning and if we make a mistake and we learn from it well thats a positive thing what is really getting me down is I cant for the life of me find the motivation of why the above said club felt this way or couldnt come to me and talk about it first, maybe I will never know? Again thank you to everyone for your support and kind words over the last few days they have helped I intend to reply to everyone who took the time to send an email and look forward to seeing some of you next weekend at Ballarat. Kind regards, Adam From wrl at gwltd.com Sat Oct 16 05:14:43 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 07:14:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: STOVER ENGINE References: <101520041033.20062.4932@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <003101c4b379$bc131b40$588799a6@davem.com> Curt, I sent you my number several days ago, have you had time to look the info up on my CT 1? it is TA212340 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 5:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fwd: STOVER ENGINE > Spencer, > Be glad to help Jerry with some history on his Stover engine. Just to let you > and anyone else know I have access to the orginal Stover sales/shipping > records and if anyone else on the list needs info just send me there serial > numbers. I am in the process of duplicating the orginal ledgers to micro film > for my local club in Freeport, Illinois (Stover Company birth place). > Curt Andree > > Can some help this fellow? You will need to contact him directly at > > since he is not on the list > > > > Spencer Yost > > Owner, ATIS > > Plow the Net! > > http://www.atis.net > > > > > > *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** > > > > On 10/14/2004 at 2:47 PM jbaldwin at htva.net wrote: > > > > >I AM TRING TO FIND INFO ON A STOVER ENGINE I HAVE. CAN YOU HELP, OR CAN > > >YOU > > >REFER ME TO SOMEONE THAT CAN. THANK YOU JERRY E > > MAILjbaldwin at htva.net > > > > *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Oct 16 07:27:59 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:27:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gem Article-Congratulations Tommy In-Reply-To: <000001c4b2fb$06140fd0$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> References: <000001c4b2fb$06140fd0$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Message-ID: <41712FEF.4030507@scrtc.com> Thanks Wayne. I'm working on the big KC now and may have it at Portland next year. Its a hunk of iron! TT Wayne Thackery wrote: > >Tommy, congratulations on the nice article in GEM about your Kansas City Hay >Press Lightning! Sure would like to have it in my stable. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Oct 16 14:33:39 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching In-Reply-To: <416FBF10.5080704@imc-group.com> References: <16681.165.206.180.118.1097754092.squirrel@165.206.180.118> <416FBF10.5080704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, Dave pulled off a two-pointer can launch at the Apple & Arts show today. His 15 hp Domestic is EXCELLENT at launching a one-pound coffee can (or a dove) 300 - 400 feet in the air. Today we had a lot of wind and that can went clean over the cider pressing building and scored a direct hit on the manure spreader used to carry off the pulp. What a hoot! That 10" x 10" "square bore" engine is perfect for can launching!! See ya, Arnie On Fri, 15 Oct 2004, Curt wrote: > Like you, some of my best old engine times have been launching cans and > bottles to the delight of kids. I use to drag the 6Hp Herc out in the > driveway and aim the long 5' exhaust stack toward the neighbors yard. A > group of kids would congregate and for hours would chase and fetch the > bottle only to be reloaded again. From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Oct 16 15:50:31 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:50:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Photos Message-ID: <003701c4b3d2$8b03c280$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, I have to post them for the club and I share the URL with all of you. One is older but updated, and one in just up. Enjoy!! Jeff http://frapa.us/Photos/CiderDays04/Cider04.html http://frapa.us/Photos/Pumpkin04/Pumpkin04.html From carrowor2002 at att.net Sat Oct 16 07:59:28 2004 From: carrowor2002 at att.net (Robert Jacobs) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:59:28 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables References: Message-ID: <41713750.000003.03100@NOTEBOOK> Our trailer will get in a tangle sometimes when going down hill under braking (unloaded) and hitting a bump, the wheels will jump off the ground and lock up, then when they get back down again they will skid on the road. It's not as bad as it sounds, but occasionally causes a bit of excitement! One of the limitations of overrun braking. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel Having driven Semi's for 28 years, I quickly discovered that nothing works quite as well as screeching, smoking trailer tires to get those tailgaters off yer butt real quick!!! Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! Carrowor2002 at att.net From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Oct 17 02:28:37 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:28:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Pics Message-ID: <200410170928.i9H9SXMT046716@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Here are some pics from the Campbelltown Steam Museum Rally this weekend: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Camoct041.html I was too busy finishing off repairs to the Austral to take any engines out so I just spent an hour or so as a spectator :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 17 03:00:27 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:00:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Detroit engine works Message-ID: Hi All, i picked up a detroit engine works marine engine today at a sale what i am looking for are some pics as this engine is missing a few parts and it is different to whats in wendels book. it is a 2 stroke marine about 18 in high. Yours DAVE in oz _________________________________________________________________ Discover how everyone & everything in our world's connected: http://www.onebigvillage.com.au?&obv1=hotmail From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Oct 17 03:49:19 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:49:19 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: STOVER ENGINE Message-ID: <101720041049.26688.18d7@mchsi.com> Dave, Not had time this week, hopefully I can get to museum library next week....hang in there! Curt Andree > Curt, I sent you my number several days ago, have you had time to look the > info up on my CT 1? it is TA212340 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 5:33 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fwd: STOVER ENGINE > > > > Spencer, > > Be glad to help Jerry with some history on his Stover engine. Just to let > you > > and anyone else know I have access to the orginal Stover sales/shipping > > records and if anyone else on the list needs info just send me there > serial > > numbers. I am in the process of duplicating the orginal ledgers to micro > film > > for my local club in Freeport, Illinois (Stover Company birth place). > > Curt Andree > > > Can some help this fellow? You will need to contact him directly at > > > since he is not on the list > > > > > > Spencer Yost > > > Owner, ATIS > > > Plow the Net! > > > http://www.atis.net > > > > > > > > > *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** > > > > > > On 10/14/2004 at 2:47 PM jbaldwin at htva.net wrote: > > > > > > >I AM TRING TO FIND INFO ON A STOVER ENGINE I HAVE. CAN YOU HELP, OR CAN > > > >YOU > > > >REFER ME TO SOMEONE THAT CAN. THANK YOU JERRY E > > > MAILjbaldwin at htva.net > > > > > > *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Oct 17 05:09:27 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:09:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] GEM Online Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041017080849.0208fec0@mail.alltel.net> Is everyone aware of http://www.gasenginemagazine.com Dave From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Oct 17 05:22:23 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:22:23 +0100 Subject: [SEL] GEM Online References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041017080849.0208fec0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001801c4b443$f50f84e0$6b856ad5@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 1:09 PM Subject: [SEL] GEM Online > Is everyone aware of http://www.gasenginemagazine.com > Dave Hi Dave, Thanks for passing on the reading. Are any of those articles written by members of this group? Dave Croft From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sun Oct 17 09:57:19 2004 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:57:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The Kerr Engine Co. Message-ID: <4172A46E.4CFC34B@wightman.ca> Hi All, Picked up something that I have always wanted yesterday. An old fire hydrant. Interesting piece which ended up in the landfill and was rescued for a mere $20.00 to the landfill operator. Cast right into it is: Made By The Kerr Engine Co. Walkerville Ont. Walkerville doesn't exist anymore and is actually part of the city of Windsor, Ont. I did some quick hunting and found this old ad copy http://www.windsorpubliclibrary.com/digi/sar/images/part1/kerrengine.jpg and some pictures of other Kerr Hydrants at http://www.firehydrant.org/ I also found something about them manufacturing a triple expansion steam engine for a boat in another article. I don't know if they ever got into gas engines but if anyone has any info, I would certainly appreciate it. Just thought you would find it interesting. Duncan -- Duncan and Sandy Denman Ayton, Ontario, Canada Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca Visit our Home Page at: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Oct 17 07:16:52 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:16:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Herc drag saw Message-ID: Howdy all; Found a 1 3/4 hp Herc made dragsaw. Complete except for the crosscut saw. Has a Wico mag and small sprocket on the cs and a very large driven sprocket. There's an "S" on the tag. So what is this..Sparta?? TIA RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Oct 17 08:42:20 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:42:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gib Key removal tools Message-ID: Howdy all; Well here are two New Holland Gib key removal tools. They are made with a 10 degree bevel (which keeps the tool from "walkin' out"). I've never seen these before but the owner says they are inexpensive..dunno and we don't have a NH dealer close by. Not sure whether they are used together or made LH and RH for accessability. The owner says they either work or they don't..probably 20% of the former and 80% of the latter...and especially on NH stuff. I've put them on graph paper with 1/4" squares so you can visualize the size, and I've removed the rubber handles. So far with a 5/8" Gib, we are not impressed with these tools. Drill and gas axe did the trick:-) Here's the link to the picture: http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/201050714CJPfMF Neat trivia I thot Take Care, RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Oct 17 09:43:45 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:43:45 EDT Subject: [SEL] Gib Key removal tools Message-ID: In a message dated 10/17/2004 12:07:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: << Not sure whether they are used together or made LH and RH for accessability. >> Rick, I think you are correct in thinking they are right and left handed tools. I would be interesting to know if New Holland still sell them and are inexpensive. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From flywheelin at hotmail.com Sun Oct 17 10:00:57 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:00:57 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching Message-ID: That's how my interest started in the hobby. I remember as a young boy my Dad launching tennis balls from the exhaust pipe. Years later I remembered the tennis ball launcher. When we talked about it and laughed I asked whatever happened to the tennis ball launcher. Little did I know it was a 3hp John Deere and my brother still had it burried in the back of his garage. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/jd.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan currently visiting S.E. Arizona USA ==================== >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching >Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:14:08 -0400 > >Bill, >Like you, some of my best old engine times have been launching cans and >bottles to the delight of kids. I use to drag the 6Hp Herc out in the >driveway and aim the long 5' exhaust stack toward the neighbors yard. A >group of kids would congregate and for hours would chase and fetch the >bottle only to be reloaded again. >At Portland a couple of years ago I launched a small tight fitting can from >the Abbey exhaust pipe to the delight of a large collection of Amish boys. >They also were eager to fetch the can where ever the currents carried it. >Engine can & ball launching is an experience not to be missed nor will >ever be forgotten by all the kids that see it. What we make fun for today's >kids will nurture future engine hobbyists. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alanb2 at webtv.net Sun Oct 17 14:42:32 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:42:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Herc drag saw In-Reply-To: "Richard Strobel" 's message of Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:16:52 -0600 Message-ID: <16039-4172E748-249@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net> No Rick, That is a 1 3/4 HP Model S Hercules. I have one here that wasn't made for the log saw AND I have the log saw parts I got from another guy. I'm GREEN!!!! I WANT to find someone with an Model S Herc. that came off a log saw and switch flywheels and CS with them. Is it really yours now? You lucky dog. Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From skipl at montana.com Sun Oct 17 15:21:56 2004 From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 16:21:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Herc drag saw References: Message-ID: <4172F084.836E1BFE@montana.com> rick, way later than sparta. both sears & herc offered these outfits. probably built between 24 & 29. good find. skip Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all; > Found a 1 3/4 hp Herc made dragsaw. Complete except for the crosscut saw. > Has a Wico mag and small sprocket on the cs and a very large driven > sprocket. > > There's an "S" on the tag. > > So what is this..Sparta?? > > TIA > > RickinMt. > > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Sun Oct 17 16:15:30 2004 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:15:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Pics Message-ID: G'day Patrick, Thanks for posting pics. Great job as usual. Regards Lyndsay >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" , >"Stationary Engine Mailing List" >Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Pics >Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:28:37 +1000 > >Here are some pics from the Campbelltown Steam Museum Rally this weekend: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Camoct041.html > >I was too busy finishing off repairs to the Austral to take any engines out >so I just spent an hour or so as a spectator :) > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Oct 17 17:18:05 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:18:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Engine/pulley question Message-ID: <002001c4b4a7$f0ac7a70$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Now and then I get questions to my mailbox that I can't come close to answering. I would prefer this stays on list so my ignorance can be reduced a bit. Private reply would prevent that. http://frapa.us/Photos/Pumpkin04/PF007.html Is the engine a FM Z, and is the pulley unusual is the question posted to me. I'll pass on any responses, and get him on a list. Thanks in advance and .... Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Oct 17 17:25:47 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:25:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Pics References: <200410170928.i9H9SXMT046716@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <002e01c4b4a9$0436f600$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Patrick, You and your kind keep at it. You post your pictures from OZ of your wonderfull sideshaft engines, and make me drool. I want one, and I want a Gade, and I want a ............the list goes on. Thanks for posting. If I can't have one at least I can see them thanks to my mates down under. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 3:28 AM Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Pics > Here are some pics from the Campbelltown Steam Museum Rally this weekend: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Camoct041.html > > I was too busy finishing off repairs to the Austral to take any engines > out > so I just spent an hour or so as a spectator :) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Sun Oct 17 17:35:01 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:35:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! Message-ID: <003501c4b4aa$4e498ea0$c1680b42@gnarmstrong> Bob, Did you ever forward the copy of timeing for the Gilson to Dave Park? Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Bob & Sheila Bolhuis To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! > Don't blame ME !!!! They didn't ask MY opinion before they did something that STUPID !!!! > Bob >Bob & Sheila Bolhuis >RR#4 >Aylmer , Ont, Can >N5H-2R3 >519-765-3337 > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Sun Oct 17 17:51:20 2004 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:51:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine/pulley question References: <002001c4b4a7$f0ac7a70$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <001601c4b4ac$9618d180$0ee0a841@ibm22761389857> The pulley looks like a standard split pulley that would be used on a line shaft. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 20:18 Subject: [SEL] Engine/pulley question Hello all, Now and then I get questions to my mailbox that I can't come close to answering. I would prefer this stays on list so my ignorance can be reduced a bit. Private reply would prevent that. http://frapa.us/Photos/Pumpkin04/PF007.html Is the engine a FM Z, and is the pulley unusual is the question posted to me. I'll pass on any responses, and get him on a list. Thanks in advance and .... Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Oct 17 18:41:55 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:41:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: STOVER ENGINE Message-ID: <20041017.220431.512.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Curt, Can you tell me anything about my CT-1 ? 1941 Stover CT-1 TA-274626 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 17 22:17:56 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:17:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine/pulley question References: <002001c4b4a7$f0ac7a70$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <000e01c4b4d1$d47af910$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> My guess would be that it is not an original F&M part, but on the other hand I have been at this long enough to know not to ever say never. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 7:18 PM Subject: [SEL] Engine/pulley question Hello all, Now and then I get questions to my mailbox that I can't come close to answering. I would prefer this stays on list so my ignorance can be reduced a bit. Private reply would prevent that. http://frapa.us/Photos/Pumpkin04/PF007.html Is the engine a FM Z, and is the pulley unusual is the question posted to me. I'll pass on any responses, and get him on a list. Thanks in advance and .... Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Oct 18 04:09:39 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:09:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: STOVER ENGINE Message-ID: <101820041109.29719.3c83@mchsi.com> Hi Joe, Will be making a trip to museum library later this week and be glad to check it out for you. Curt > Hi Curt, > > Can you tell me anything about my CT-1 ? > 1941 Stover CT-1 > > > TA-274626 > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - > \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jnyost at yahoo.com Mon Oct 18 05:09:10 2004 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 05:09:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Carburetor needed for Kohler engine (OT?) Message-ID: <20041018120910.66235.qmail@web40623.mail.yahoo.com> Hey SEL, I need a carburetor for a small Kohler engine for my Bobcat #310 skid steer on my #2 farm. Engine specs below. MODEL #K34105 SPEC #71218 (Might be one more number behind the 8) SERIAL #9015013 If it would be best contact me off list. Any help would be appreciated, Jim ===== Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Oct 18 05:42:09 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 06:42:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Herc drag saw References: <4172F084.836E1BFE@montana.com> Message-ID: Thanx Skip and Alan. I may have jumped the gun as I don't remember seeing an in/out clutch/box...just the small sprocket and then a belt pulley. Headed back down there again in a few days. later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "skip landis" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Herc drag saw > rick, way later than sparta. both sears & herc offered these outfits. > probably > built between 24 & 29. good find. skip > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > > Howdy all; > > Found a 1 3/4 hp Herc made dragsaw. Complete except for the crosscut > > saw. > > Has a Wico mag and small sprocket on the cs and a very large driven > > sprocket. > > > > There's an "S" on the tag. > > > > So what is this..Sparta?? > > > > TIA > > > > RickinMt. > > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Oct 18 08:38:18 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:38:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales Message-ID: <20041018.113933.752.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, I'm sure I've done many stupid things while operating a steam traction engine - but one time I tried to drive a 12 Ton Buffalo-Springfield Road Roller through a sizable mud puddle. Those rollers don't get much traction on mud & water. There I sat in the middle of this large puddle and had to get another traction engine to chain up and pull me out. Another time - Just recently, I was putting on a program for my Lodge about Gas Engines. I took my Jaeger and after explaining the working principals, I tried to start it. I kept getting a "pop" out of the exhaust but it wouldn't keep running. Finally trying to choke it I realized no gasoline was coming out of the mixer - - - Yep - Out Of Gas !!! And I didn't bring a can. Luckily, I was able to tilt the engine forward and block it up to get enough gas forward in the tank to run the engine about 3 minutes. Snuff4now, Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 18 08:41:36 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:41:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Detroit engine works References: Message-ID: <003501c4b528$f48b36a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Hi All, i picked up a detroit engine works marine engine today at a sale > what i am looking for are some pics as this engine is missing a few parts > and it is different to whats in wendels book. it is a 2 stroke marine about > 18 in high. Yours DAVE in oz You spend any time at Andy's ? http://www.oldmarineengine.com/index.html Someone remind me to tease Ernie about this years Mystic poster . now THATS an antique boat motor ! http://www.oldmarineengine.com/shows/mystic_2004/index.html Chuck? From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Oct 18 10:03:11 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:03:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales References: <20041018.113933.752.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <002701c4b534$5c2015f0$4583fb40@gary> Well Joe, at least you didn't take it clear apart before you found that you were out of gas. A few years ago, probably the second or third annual New Year's Start Up in memory of Bob Larned I started the John Deere E up in front of friends. It ran for a minutes and when I put pressure on the pulley to make the engine work a little, it simply coasted to a stop. After I couldn't restart it I concluded that since we were outdoors in northern Michigan, that the engine had run long enough to honor Bob, so I sheepishly put it away explaining to my friends that I would look at it later. I did look at it later, probably in July when warm had come to northern Michigan. After separating the crankcase and gas tank I realised there was no gas in the tank. It did give me a chance to replace the cereal box gaskets with proper ones. After cleaning the check valve and reassembling the engine it ran great and has to this day. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales > Hi List, > > I'm sure I've done many stupid things while operating a steam traction > engine - but one time I tried to drive a 12 Ton Buffalo-Springfield Road > Roller through a sizable mud puddle. Those rollers don't get much > traction on mud & water. There I sat in the middle > of this large puddle and had to get another traction engine to chain up > and pull me out. > > Another time - Just recently, I was putting on a program for my Lodge > about Gas Engines. > I took my Jaeger and after explaining the working principals, I tried to > start it. > I kept getting a "pop" out of the exhaust but it wouldn't keep running. > > Finally trying to choke it I realized no gasoline was coming out of the > mixer - - - > Yep - Out Of Gas !!! And I didn't bring a can. Luckily, I was able to > tilt the engine forward and block it up to get enough gas forward in the > tank to run the engine about 3 minutes. > > Snuff4now, > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - > \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Mon Oct 18 10:19:09 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:19:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales References: <007701c4b149$32d1dd80$6401a8c0@shop><416D6FFC.000003.03328@NOTEBOOK> <416D83B2.4050105@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <017701c4b536$96bd0d10$0301a8c0@ALEC> Curt, If you have mine and you know what it was, you could repost it but I just cant,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, C-ya, Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:36 PM Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales > Bob Jacobs wrote: > > >That's the worst incident I've seen other than the stupid stunt I pulled. > > > > > > OK Bob I'll bite....tell us all about it. > > I'm sure there are several stories that members could share that are > funny tales of things we've all done at an engine show. I've heard > Kelley tell of an engine she took half apart only to discover it was > simply out of gas. Dave had a "serious" electrical problem on his > Domestic this weekend that required the use of a voltmeter and several > electricians to diagnose the problem, only to be asked by a bystander if > the battery saver might be why the buzz coil was not buzzing. Tell us > your funny and maybe a little bit embarrassing engine stories. This > could be a light and pleasant diversion from the fences and insurance > thread. > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Oct 18 10:36:01 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:36:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching References: <16681.165.206.180.118.1097754092.squirrel@165.206.180.118><416FBF10.5080704@imc-group.com> <003001c4b2fb$1ca928c0$21111bd3@athlon> <001901c4b308$2dbeb640$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <4173FF01.17C5796B@insulate.co.uk> kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: > I have plans for an OFEs style flame thrower if anyone is interested . > Drop me a line and I will scan them and email you a copy > On big motors , running under 60 , they are very impressive . > Not an afterburner effect , uses propane instead of jellied gasolene > it belches a ball of flame on the exh stroke . > Tillie needs one of these things . Tell me more, I need to know ..... Jim -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From curt at imc-group.com Mon Oct 18 11:24:22 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:24:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales In-Reply-To: <017701c4b536$96bd0d10$0301a8c0@ALEC> References: <007701c4b149$32d1dd80$6401a8c0@shop><416D6FFC.000003.03328@NOTEBOOK> <416D83B2.4050105@imc-group.com> <017701c4b536$96bd0d10$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <41740A56.9000601@imc-group.com> Alec, I recall your tale of your most embarrasing moment, but it did not involve engines. Unless of course you want to reference that part of the anatomy as a dipstick. For sure dipsticks should not be checked when spouse and mother-in-laws are in the same room at the same time! Curt Alec Stevens wrote: >Curt, If you have mine and you know what it was, you could repost it but I >just cant,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, C-ya, > >Alec J. Stevens >Investment Specialist > > > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 18 13:53:07 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:53:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching References: <16681.165.206.180.118.1097754092.squirrel@165.206.180.118><416FBF10.5080704@imc-group.com><003001c4b2fb$1ca928c0$21111bd3@athlon><001901c4b308$2dbeb640$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <4173FF01.17C5796B@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <001801c4b554$78f1a840$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > > I have plans for an OFEs style flame thrower if anyone is interested . > > Tell me more, I need to know ..... Sure ya do , like I need a new Unimog From curt at imc-group.com Mon Oct 18 14:15:51 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:15:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns Message-ID: <41743287.9070507@imc-group.com> Engine and tractor fans, The show at Mike Burns was this past Saturday and I took a few pictures and put 'em on my website. Here is the link: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.html Would someone please post this over to the tractor list? I hope you enjoy them, and by all means consider coming next year. This IS a unique experience! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From George_Best at adp.com Mon Oct 18 14:13:33 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:13:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales Message-ID: A friend of mine a few years ago was having trouble getting a 4hp F-M T engine to run. He'd completely rebuilt the engine and was having a problem getting it started for the first time. He could get it to fire occasionally, but it wouldn't run. He thought the camshaft was out of time and had already changed it prior to my arrival. After I got there he was turning the engine over and wanted me to check the timing again. I must admit that I didn't immediately spot his problem, but after a few minutes I said, "Are you sure you're turning the flywheels the right direction?". He thought he was and it wasn't till I pointed out the arrow cast on the crankcase which indicated he'd been trying to run the engine backwards! After getting the camshaft back in correct time and turning the flywheels in the direction indicated by the arrow, we got it started and it ran fine! George From carrowor2002 at att.net Mon Oct 18 14:25:29 2004 From: carrowor2002 at att.net (Robert Jacobs) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:25:29 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns References: <41743287.9070507@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <417434C9.000001.01072@NOTEBOOK> Great pics & descriptions Curt. -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 10/18/04 17:15:22 To: SEL Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns Engine and tractor fans, The show at Mike Burns was this past Saturday and I took a few pictures and put 'em on my website. Here is the link: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails html Would someone please post this over to the tractor list? I hope you enjoy them, and by all means consider coming next year. This IS a unique experience! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Oct 18 14:36:56 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:36:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales In-Reply-To: <41740A56.9000601@imc-group.com> References: <007701c4b149$32d1dd80$6401a8c0@shop><416D6FFC.000003.03328@NOTEBOOK> <416D83B2.4050105@imc-group.com> <017701c4b536$96bd0d10$0301a8c0@ALEC> <41740A56.9000601@imc-group.com> Message-ID: I do think the red ribbon level marker on the dipstick was a nice touch. John On Oct 18, 2004, at 2:24 PM, Curt wrote: > Alec, > I recall your tale of your most embarrasing moment, but it did not > involve engines. Unless of course you want to reference that part of > the anatomy as a dipstick. For sure dipsticks should not be checked > when spouse and mother-in-laws are in the same room at the same time! > Curt John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Mon Oct 18 14:48:59 2004 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:48:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns In-Reply-To: <41743287.9070507@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000701c4b55c$47466170$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Curt, Thanks for posting the great picture of Mike Burns weekend. Looks like it was a good time. Wayne Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 2:16 PM To: SEL Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns Engine and tractor fans, The show at Mike Burns was this past Saturday and I took a few pictures and put 'em on my website. Here is the link: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.htm l Would someone please post this over to the tractor list? I hope you enjoy them, and by all means consider coming next year. This IS a unique experience! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldengin at udata.com Mon Oct 18 14:51:45 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:51:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching In-Reply-To: <001801c4b554$78f1a840$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <16681.165.206.180.118.1097754092.squirrel@165.206.180.118><416FBF10.5080704@imc-group.com><003001c4b2fb$1ca928c0$21111bd3@athlon><001901c4b308$2dbeb640$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <4173FF01.17C5796B@insulate.co.uk> <001801c4b554$78f1a840$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <41743AF1.4030403@udata.com> kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: > > >>>I have plans for an OFEs style flame thrower if anyone is interested . >>> >>> >>Tell me more, I need to know ..... >> >> > > > Gday Chuck, let me in on these plans... Also to create a better can launcher I have now taken an empty, FRESHLY, beer can and have decided to pour about 1/2 inch of body filler in the bottom. Next I am looking at mounting a M80 fire cracker to the side of the can and will give the can a shot of either before putting it onto the straight pipe. I think I can get the can to fly about 300-400 feet into the air with this set-up and if the firecracker is lit at the proper time even better flight is expected. I have also thought about the use of a baggie and some gasoline in it on the inside of the can and maybe 2-3 M80's fused together along with maybe some sackrete in the bottom of the can.. and cutting the can with slits along the side. Maybe old nails and glass would work too...... What do you think? 8-) -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Oct 18 16:08:44 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:08:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Funny Engine Tales Message-ID: <002301c4b567$6a9a1bc0$6b856ad5@no1> Not strictly an Engine tale but on a Saturday night at engine shows I started to send up hot air Balloons. These were the bags that dry cleaners put over newly cleaned clothing. These were very light & we discovered that if we used a square of light wire in a cross to hold the bag open we could put a piece of cotton wool in the middle soaked in metholated Spirit. These flew over the horizon at great height & caused great amusement amongst the spectators. One weekend when I couldn't attend a show a young chap said he could copy me. He got it partly correct but didn't know to watch which way the wind was blowing & put too much fuel on the cotton wool. Away went the balloon dripping burning Meths over peoples trailers & the beer tent. All the exhibitors were running about with extinguishers putting out the flames. I am glad that he was the one that got blamed. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 18 16:10:51 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:10:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching References: <16681.165.206.180.118.1097754092.squirrel@165.206.180.118><416FBF10.5080704@imc-group.com><003001c4b2fb$1ca928c0$21111bd3@athlon><001901c4b308$2dbeb640$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <4173FF01.17C5796B@insulate.co.uk><001801c4b554$78f1a840$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <41743AF1.4030403@udata.com> Message-ID: <006901c4b567$b6982620$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Maybe old nails and glass > would work too...... What do you think? 8-) > if I didnt know you personally , id think you were pulling my leg . but we all gotta eat somehow . and some more than others . try #10-32 nuts for light game . very cheap you too , my enormous friend , have mail From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Oct 18 16:17:36 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:17:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching In-Reply-To: <41743AF1.4030403@udata.com> References: <16681.165.206.180.118.1097754092.squirrel@165.206.180.118><416FBF10.5080704@imc-group.com><003001c4b2fb$1ca928c0$21111bd3@athlon><001901c4b308$2dbeb640$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <4173FF01.17C5796B@insulate.co.uk> <001801c4b554$78f1a840$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <41743AF1.4030403@udata.com> Message-ID: Leroy, you might want to consider adding 2-3 Estes "D" rocket motors to the beer can for a bit more boost. My boy and his friends have been experimenting with rocket assisted scooters. I don't think these little rockets do too much to get a teenager on a scooter going, but they sound great! :-D John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Mon Oct 18 16:20:34 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:20:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching Message-ID: <001001c4b569$1267c2c0$2c690b42@gnarmstrong> Leroy, I've been led to believe your quote attributed to W.A.NANCE is really a quote by Winston Churchill. Can you confirm or refute this? Just curious, as I always note that quote on your Emails. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Leroy C. To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Monday, October 18, 2004 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: can launching >kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: > >> >> >>>>I have plans for an OFEs style flame thrower if anyone is interested . >>>> >>>> >>>Tell me more, I need to know ..... >>> >>> >> >> >> >Gday > Chuck, let me in on these plans... Also to create a better can >launcher I have now taken an empty, FRESHLY, beer can and have decided >to pour about 1/2 inch of body filler in the bottom. Next I am looking >at mounting a M80 fire cracker to the side of the can and will give the >can a shot of either before putting it onto the straight pipe. I think I >can get the can to fly about 300-400 feet into the air with this set-up >and if the firecracker is lit at the proper time even better flight is >expected. I have also thought about the use of a baggie and some >gasoline in it on the inside of the can and maybe 2-3 M80's fused >together along with maybe some sackrete in the bottom of the can.. and >cutting the can with slits along the side. Maybe old nails and glass >would work too...... What do you think? 8-) > >-- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > >"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > >better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 18 16:24:51 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:24:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns References: <000701c4b55c$47466170$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Message-ID: <002701c4b569$b7d6fcd0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Hey Wayne the site does not open for me, what about other folks, can you open the site? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Thackery" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 4:48 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns > Curt, Thanks for posting the great picture of Mike Burns weekend. Looks > like > it was a good time. > > Wayne Thackery > Keizer, Oregon > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 2:16 PM > To: SEL > Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns > > > Engine and tractor fans, > The show at Mike Burns was this past Saturday and I took a few pictures > and put 'em on my website. Here is the link: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.htm > l > > Would someone please post this over to the tractor list? > > I hope you enjoy them, and by all means consider coming next year. This > IS a unique experience! > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Oct 18 16:27:42 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:27:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Funny Engine Tales In-Reply-To: <002301c4b567$6a9a1bc0$6b856ad5@no1> References: <002301c4b567$6a9a1bc0$6b856ad5@no1> Message-ID: <4ECE6348-215D-11D9-A381-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> That used to be a popular college trick for making "UFO's." John On Oct 18, 2004, at 7:08 PM, Dave Croft wrote: > Not strictly an Engine tale but on a Saturday night at engine shows I > started to send up hot air Balloons. > These were the bags that dry cleaners put over newly cleaned clothing. > These were very light & we discovered that if we used a square of light > wire in a cross to hold the bag open we could put a piece of cotton > wool > in the middle soaked in metholated Spirit. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Oct 18 17:03:56 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:03:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns References: <000701c4b55c$47466170$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> <002701c4b569$b7d6fcd0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <003001c4b56f$21f63f40$336f29cb@oemcomputer> Won't work for me either.The link is wrapping to the next line. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 9:24 Subject: Re: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns > Hey Wayne the site does not open for me, what about other folks, can you > open the site? > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wayne Thackery" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 4:48 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns > > > > Curt, Thanks for posting the great picture of Mike Burns weekend. Looks > > like > > it was a good time. > > > > Wayne Thackery > > Keizer, Oregon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Curt > > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 2:16 PM > > To: SEL > > Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns > > > > > > Engine and tractor fans, > > The show at Mike Burns was this past Saturday and I took a few pictures > > and put 'em on my website. Here is the link: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.htm > > l > > > > Would someone please post this over to the tractor list? > > > > I hope you enjoy them, and by all means consider coming next year. This > > IS a unique experience! > > > > Curt Holland > > Gastonia, NC > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. > From falcon at telenet.net Mon Oct 18 17:14:46 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:14:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching References: <16681.165.206.180.118.1097754092.squirrel@165.206.180.118><416FBF10.5080704@imc-group.com><003001c4b2fb$1ca928c0$21111bd3@athlon><001901c4b308$2dbeb640$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <4173FF01.17C5796B@insulate.co.uk><001801c4b554$78f1a840$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <41743AF1.4030403@udata.com> Message-ID: <005201c4b570$a44b9d40$ad1117d1@net.telenet.net> Watch out using flamethrowers on anything you value. At one of the local fairs this past summer there were a few big rig pullers and they were all showing off in one way or another. One lady puller had pyro charges set in the marker posts on the bumper. She would hit a switch to start the timer as soon as she dropped the clutch to start pulling. Made a neat show. The next one up was going to show her up so he turned on his stack flames (20# propane tank with nozzles in each stack. At the very top he had a sparker set up to light off the gas. He made it about mid track and the engine burbled just a bit, but it was enough to suck a good charge of propane into the nice HOT turbo. BOOM... He managed to fire the engine back up BUT it was in tough shape. I got to talk to him later and found out it blew the manifold and both late stage turbos off the engine. Not a good thing. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy C." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: can launching > kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: > > > > > > >>>I have plans for an OFEs style flame thrower if anyone is interested . > >>> > >>> > >>Tell me more, I need to know ..... > >> > >> From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Oct 18 17:16:16 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:16:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns Message-ID: <20041018.202103.1052.2.jlb94@juno.com> It opened for me. - before - Now it says the page cannot be found. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From yostsw at atis.net Mon Oct 18 17:46:18 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:46:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] GEM magazines References: <200410190043.i9J0h4PN026249@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200410182046180328.117C5131@heavyiron.atis.net> This just came in on ATIS's classified ads. Though someone on this list would be interested. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** On 10/18/2004 at 8:43 PM radflgl at dpc.net wrote: >Automated message from Smart Classified ADs. > >AD no. 58194 was posted on . Expires on 2004/11/18. >Submitted by: > >Fred >4027 Wagonseller Rd. >Green Valley, IL 61534 >Voice: 13432658 >E-mail: radflgl at dpc.net >Web Site URL: http:// > >AD placed in the following categories: > Engines > >FOR SALE: Collection of Old Gas Engine Magazines For Sale > >AD content: >I have 7 years of Gas Engine Magazines. Aug.1987-Sept.1994. Missing issue >March 1991 and Oct. 1993. Total of 83 isuses for sale. These magazines are >in real good condition. Many still have the outside shipping covers on >them. You will be hard pressed to find another collection so OLD. I will >sacrifice the lot of magazines for one price $90.00. ph. 309-352-2023 *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** From falcon at telenet.net Mon Oct 18 19:15:38 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:15:38 -0400 Subject: Way to snip URLS includes URL to pictures WAS Re: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns References: <000701c4b55c$47466170$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7><002701c4b569$b7d6fcd0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <003001c4b56f$21f63f40$336f29cb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001301c4b581$874d1140$2c1117d1@net.telenet.net> http://snipurl.com/9vl5 Use this one Oh and for anyone wanting to post a URL easily and not worrying about if it wraps try this site. http://snipurl.com/index.php To use it. You need to COPY the URL you want to post to your clipboard. Then open the snip url site and select the Snip URL button. It will clip the URL AND change the one on the clipboard as well. Then you just PASTE it into the message So you would COPY this URL (or whatever one you have) http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.html Then click your shortcut to http://snipurl.com/index.php and select Snip URL. The site will snip it and tell you that your Snipped URL is now on your clipboard. You then just go to the line you want in your message or wherever and PASTE in the snipped URL http://snipurl.com/9vl5 Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY From curt at imc-group.com Tue Oct 19 05:20:30 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:20:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns In-Reply-To: <002701c4b569$b7d6fcd0$210110ac@PaulMaples> References: <000701c4b55c$47466170$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> <002701c4b569$b7d6fcd0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <4175068E.50704@imc-group.com> Paul, Guess you've figured out by now that the problem is the wrapping of the URL. Looks like the "l" on the end of .html got dropped. I'm trying an experiment with this email in that I changed the wrap default from 72 characters to 99 characters. Here is the URL again and we'll see if it wraps now. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.html Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. Steve W., interesting concept with the snipped URL. Any idea how long they maintain the database of snipped URL links? paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hey Wayne the site does not open for me, what about other folks, can > you open the site? > > Paul > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Oct 19 05:34:46 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 06:34:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns References: <41743287.9070507@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Done > > Would someone please post this over to the tractor list? > > I hope you enjoy them, and by all means consider coming next year. This > IS a unique experience! > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 19 05:37:00 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 07:37:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns References: <000701c4b55c$47466170$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> <002701c4b569$b7d6fcd0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <004e01c4b5d8$55052360$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> The link failed to pick up the "l" in html, if you add it, it will work. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns > Hey Wayne the site does not open for me, what about other folks, can you > open the site? > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wayne Thackery" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 4:48 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns > > >> Curt, Thanks for posting the great picture of Mike Burns weekend. Looks >> like >> it was a good time. >> >> Wayne Thackery >> Keizer, Oregon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Curt >> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 2:16 PM >> To: SEL >> Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns >> >> >> Engine and tractor fans, >> The show at Mike Burns was this past Saturday and I took a few pictures >> and put 'em on my website. Here is the link: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.htm >> l >> >> Would someone please post this over to the tractor list? >> >> I hope you enjoy them, and by all means consider coming next year. This >> IS a unique experience! >> >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Oct 19 05:54:52 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 06:54:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! Message-ID: Howdy all; Well the 5hp Galloway saw outfit is up and runnin'. Took a little elbow grease, but she went up to 320 rpm and ran for about an hour. Latch needs some work still, and the head gasket leaked a little water. Hopefully I patched that up last night. First observation is that it is much quieter (stack music) than the 5hp Economy. Will play with the exhaust valve timing some more on that one. All in all it was a fantastic day at the Strobel shed and we had a ball. Will put some pictures up as soon as the belt arrives and we get her outside working. Live is GREAT!! Take Care, RickinMt. PS: Anyone on the ATIS have a IHC 4hp Hopper cooled, horizontal? We're gonna try to get one to follow us home today. That baby must weight close to a ton!!! It is a big'un. Also a Herc dragsaw and a 1921(?) maytag washer might come home also. PSS; Do they make repro mag gears (IHC) for a 1.5 hp "M" ? http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From art at etsnj.com Tue Oct 19 06:03:05 2004 From: art at etsnj.com (Art Oswald) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:03:05 -0400 Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns In-Reply-To: <4175068E.50704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000401c4b5db$fd0428b0$1202a8c0@artb0y712ywxp8> You know if you go to tinyurl.com you can convert that long address into a very short one that will work a lot better when you post it in an email. In other words http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails .html becomes http://tinyurl.com/3lnfk Art -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 8:21 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns Paul, Guess you've figured out by now that the problem is the wrapping of the URL. Looks like the "l" on the end of .html got dropped. I'm trying an experiment with this email in that I changed the wrap default from 72 characters to 99 characters. Here is the URL again and we'll see if it wraps now. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails .html Curt Holland Gastonia, NC ---------------------------------------- My Inbox is protected by SPAMfighter 771 spam mails have been blocked so far. Download free www.spamfighter.com today! From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Tue Oct 19 06:20:54 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:20:54 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Ronnie Rally Message-ID: <20041019132054.22994.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> G'day Oz Listers I received a letter from the Ronny-Tippet Centenary rally organisers last week saying that they had chose us (only us apparantly, at random) to help them out with a bit of publicity for the rally in our local area. They suggested contacting the local papers. I decided to run with it to help them out, and to cut to the chase...our picture in the paper today with a nice, accurate story made up from data supplied by me and the journalists interpretation of the rally information sheet. I contacted 3 newspapers. Two weren't interested saying that if it's in Ballarat, then the Ballarat papers should be contacted (isn't that smart) because it's not an item of local interest. By the 3rd paper where I was speaking to a bloke, I'd altered my story a bit to say that my exhibit was bought in the local area and would have been part of the early farming history (apple orchards) of the area. I was also able to use the opportunity to invite people interested in joining a club to contact me. So good publicity for two organizations. It was a fair bit of work to set it all up, but worth the result. Umm...we'll be available for autographs at the rally.. :-) Graham in Oz Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Oct 19 06:53:07 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 06:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns In-Reply-To: <4175068E.50704@imc-group.com> References: <000701c4b55c$47466170$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> <002701c4b569$b7d6fcd0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <4175068E.50704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <18149.165.206.180.118.1098193987.squirrel@165.206.180.118> I MAY be a bit paranoid (it's part of my job in computer security) but sites like that often make money to keep them going by collecting information about you and the URLs you visit/snip.................. So, don't use it if you don't run a firewall and/or don't want to be tracked by the sites you visit and the information openly available on every computer. It's possible you might end up adding to your junk mail collection. Just a thought, and since I've not visited that site, of course, I openly admit I could be very wrong - but knowing how much it costs in time, labor and real cash to keep a web site going, someone, somewhere is paying the bills with something. Bill > Paul, > Guess you've figured out by now that the problem is the wrapping of the > URL. Looks like the "l" on the end of .html got dropped. > I'm trying an experiment with this email in that I changed the wrap > default from 72 characters to 99 characters. Here is the URL again and > we'll see if it wraps now. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.html > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. Steve W., interesting concept with the snipped URL. Any idea how > long they maintain the database of snipped URL links? > > > > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > >> Hey Wayne the site does not open for me, what about other folks, can >> you open the site? >> >> Paul >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Oct 19 06:54:14 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:54:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns References: <000701c4b55c$47466170$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7><002701c4b569$b7d6fcd0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <4175068E.50704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002401c4b5e3$1f3b4c40$d76f29cb@oemcomputer> Works now.Great pics. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 10:20 Subject: Re: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns > Paul, > Guess you've figured out by now that the problem is the wrapping of the > URL. Looks like the "l" on the end of .html got dropped. > I'm trying an experiment with this email in that I changed the wrap > default from 72 characters to 99 characters. Here is the URL again and > we'll see if it wraps now. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.htm l > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. Steve W., interesting concept with the snipped URL. Any idea how > long they maintain the database of snipped URL links? > > > > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > > > Hey Wayne the site does not open for me, what about other folks, can > > you open the site? > > > > Paul > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. > From falcon at telenet.net Tue Oct 19 07:22:53 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:22:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns References: <000701c4b55c$47466170$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7><002701c4b569$b7d6fcd0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <4175068E.50704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002801c4b5e7$1ff5ece0$095c14d0@net.telenet.net> I believe it is over a year. I have snipped URLs that old in my saved files that are still fine. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns > Paul, > Guess you've figured out by now that the problem is the wrapping of the > URL. Looks like the "l" on the end of .html got dropped. > I'm trying an experiment with this email in that I changed the wrap > default from 72 characters to 99 characters. Here is the URL again and > we'll see if it wraps now. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.html > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. Steve W., interesting concept with the snipped URL. Any idea how > long they maintain the database of snipped URL links? > > > > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > > > Hey Wayne the site does not open for me, what about other folks, can > > you open the site? > > > > Paul > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 19 07:55:02 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Vintage Sparkplug Fan Flame Message-ID: Hi Folks, Was someone just asking about a "Fan Flame" sparkplug? Pretty cool looking. See ya, Arnie ======================================================= Title of item: Vintage Sparkplug Fan Flame Gas Engine Hit Miss Seller: dingesslee Starts: Oct-11-04 17:33:45 PDT Ends: Oct-18-04 17:33:45 PDT Price: Currently $42.50 To view this item, go to: http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnter&partner=888801&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi%2Eebay%2Ecom%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI%2Edll%3FViewItem%26item%3D3845685102%26category%3D63945%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1 Item Description: Up fro auction is  a used Fan Flame spark plug, made in Yonkers, New York. It shows a number 775 on it but there is no patent date. It has a fan that turns and the fan has 6 points and the base of the plug has 8 points. To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Oct 19 08:40:35 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:40:35 +0200 Subject: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! References: Message-ID: <001801c4b5f1$f9cf8890$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Great Rick, you can't have enough stak music in the shed :o) About that mag gear, there is a guy in GEM that sells them don't know his name. I think a 4 hp stationary Famous weights over 1400 lbs. Catch that baby, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Howdy all; > Well the 5hp Galloway saw outfit is up and runnin'. Took a little elbow > grease, but she went up to 320 rpm and ran for about an hour. Latch needs > some work still, and the head gasket leaked a little water. Hopefully I > patched that up last night. > > First observation is that it is much quieter (stack music) than the 5hp > Economy. Will play with the exhaust valve timing some more on that one. > > All in all it was a fantastic day at the Strobel shed and we had a ball. > Will put some pictures up as soon as the belt arrives and we get her outside > working. > > Live is GREAT!! > > Take Care, > RickinMt. > PS: Anyone on the ATIS have a IHC 4hp Hopper cooled, horizontal? We're > gonna try to get one to follow us home today. That baby must weight close > to a ton!!! It is a big'un. Also a Herc dragsaw and a 1921(?) maytag > washer might come home also. > > PSS; Do they make repro mag gears (IHC) for a 1.5 hp "M" ? > > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Tue Oct 19 08:48:42 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:48:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns References: <000701c4b55c$47466170$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7><002701c4b569$b7d6fcd0$210110ac@PaulMaples><4175068E.50704@imc-group.com> <18149.165.206.180.118.1098193987.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Message-ID: <002101c4b5f3$1cab8660$441117d1@net.telenet.net> http://snipurl.com/priv.php Bill, Snip URL doesn't track anything, BUT they do have a listing of "interesting snips". None of the sites I have snipped end up there though, gee I must be boring... Anyway I have used them for a long time and haven't seen an increase in spam (except for the usual crap). Just a useful site. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns > I MAY be a bit paranoid (it's part of my job in computer security) but > sites like that often make money to keep them going by collecting > information about you and the URLs you visit/snip.................. > So, don't use it if you don't run a firewall and/or don't want to be > tracked by the sites you visit and the information openly available on > every computer. It's possible you might end up adding to your junk mail > collection. Just a thought, and since I've not visited that site, of > course, I openly admit I could be very wrong - but knowing how much it > costs in time, labor and real cash to keep a web site going, someone, > somewhere is paying the bills with something. > > Bill > > > Paul, > > Guess you've figured out by now that the problem is the wrapping of the > > URL. Looks like the "l" on the end of .html got dropped. > > I'm trying an experiment with this email in that I changed the wrap > > default from 72 characters to 99 characters. Here is the URL again and > > we'll see if it wraps now. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.html > > Curt Holland > > Gastonia, NC > > P.S. Steve W., interesting concept with the snipped URL. Any idea how > > long they maintain the database of snipped URL links? > > > > > > > > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > > > >> Hey Wayne the site does not open for me, what about other folks, can > >> you open the site? > >> > >> Paul > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Tue Oct 19 09:12:25 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:12:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales References: <007701c4b149$32d1dd80$6401a8c0@shop><416D6FFC.000003.03328@NOTEBOOK> <416D83B2.4050105@imc-group.com><017701c4b536$96bd0d10$0301a8c0@ALEC><41740A56.9000601@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <033301c4b5f6$6ee37840$0301a8c0@ALEC> I guess the red ribbon would be like having some tape around your display at a show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To keep the spectators from touching the ehhmmmm, exhibit...... Its amazing the results of that situation , sorta like throwing a brick in under the crank of a ruuning engine!!! Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" > I do think the red ribbon level marker on the dipstick was a nice touch. > > John > > On Oct 18, 2004, at 2:24 PM, Curt wrote: > > > Alec, > > I recall your tale of your most embarrasing moment, but it did not > > involve engines. Unless of course you want to reference that part of > > the anatomy as a dipstick. For sure dipsticks should not be checked > > when spouse and mother-in-laws are in the same room at the same time! > > Curt > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Oct 19 10:20:51 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Can Launching Message-ID: <20041019172051.95063.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> I saw an excellent example of can launching this weekend. A 3lb coffee can (empty of course) was launched from a large hp engine at the show in Delmont, PA. This engine has a 10x10 BxS and is of a sideshaft varity. It launched the can quite high and came down to land in the manure spreader (used to move apple mash after being removed from the cider press). The owner will not be identified, to protect the feelings of the manure spreader. It was trully an excellent display of the power of these engines. Pics from the show can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2004Delmont.htm I have launched plastic water bottles with ~1/2" of water in it for ballast from my 10hp Challenge. At a local showa year or two back, there was a large field in front of us and a bunch of "troubled" students were brought out. They ended up playing 500 catch with me launching it. A great time was had by all that time. I have not tried to launch pigeons yet, but may next year. Do they fly well after launch??? Steve From oldengin at udata.com Tue Oct 19 10:49:10 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:49:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching In-Reply-To: <001001c4b569$1267c2c0$2c690b42@gnarmstrong> References: <001001c4b569$1267c2c0$2c690b42@gnarmstrong> Message-ID: <41755396.6000905@udata.com> George & Norma Armstrong wrote: >Leroy, > I've been led to believe your quote attributed to W.A.NANCE is really a >quote by Winston Churchill. Can you confirm or refute this? Just curious, >as I always note that quote on your Emails. Geo. > >"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > Gday George, I get a little black book each year and the start of each week has a quote from different people. This is one that I have always liked and one I hope to live up too....... I copied teh quote as given in the book and maybe can find out more about it if you would like me too. -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From curt at imc-group.com Tue Oct 19 12:49:33 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:49:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Can Launching/now tractor question. OT? In-Reply-To: <20041019172051.95063.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041019172051.95063.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41756FCD.7090105@imc-group.com> Steve, Sure are a lot of tractors sneaking into your photos these days. Are you slipping to the dark side too? I noticed that none of the pulling tractors shown have wheelie bars on them? This is a requirement here in the south to prevent rolling one over. Is the use of this safety device not wide spread across the country? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Steve Barr wrote: >I saw an excellent example of can launching this weekend. A 3lb coffee >can (empty of course) was launched from a large hp engine at the show in >Delmont, PA. This engine has a 10x10 BxS and is of a sideshaft varity. >It launched the can quite high and came down to land in the manure >spreader (used to move apple mash after being removed from the cider >press). The owner will not be identified, to protect the feelings of the >manure spreader. It was trully an excellent display of the power of these >engines. Pics from the show can be seen at: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2004Delmont.htm > > > > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Oct 19 13:20:43 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Can Launching/now tractor question. OT? In-Reply-To: <41756FCD.7090105@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20041019202043.56691.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Curt I'm not sure about the additional volume of tractors, I try to take a few pictures in effort to show I have balance... (I was a antique tractor owner ('49 John Deere A) before I was an stationary engine owner...Doesn't that sound political...sorry) Boy, I feel better now.... I do like tractors on steel...and even more, the bigger ones that opened the prairie...I guess I have good taste...(I guess you do as well as your most recent page had more tractor than engine pics on it...) About the wheelie bars. All of the antque tractors that were running on Saturday at the show were pulling ~20 feet on a dead pull. If you could budge the pan, you most likely were going to pull the 20'. They pulled back and forth ~25 pulls until they had a winner. I don't remember which one won, but I was impressed at the effort that they put into moving just the weights... Sunday, there must of had 75 garden tractors pulling a regular pulling sled (the garden tracors had their little wheelie bars on). Steve --- Curt wrote: Steve, Sure are a lot of tractors sneaking into your photos these days. Are you slipping to the dark side too? I noticed that none of the pulling tractors shown have wheelie bars on them? This is a requirement here in the south to prevent rolling one over. Is the use of this safety device not wide spread across the country? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Steve Barr wrote: I saw an excellent example of can launching this weekend. A 3lb coffee can (empty of course) was launched from a large hp engine at the show in Delmont, PA. This engine has a 10x10 BxS and is of a sideshaft varity. It launched the can quite high and came down to land in the manure spreader (used to move apple mash after being removed from the cider press). The owner will not be identified, to protect the feelings of the manure spreader. It was trully an excellent display of the power of these engines. Pics from the show can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2004Delmont.htm From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 19 14:16:06 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Headless Witte Mixer Question Message-ID: Hi Folks, I was just doing some work on the mixer of my 4 hp headless Witte (circa 1926) and noticed that the needle valve setup is "odd." The "needle" valve is flat-bottomed with a small tit at the center. Sitting in a hole below where the needle valve goes is a short rectangular floating needle that sits on the seat. The top of this floating needle has a small depression that aligns with the tit on the adjustable part. It appears that the needle valve functions as a vertical travel limiter rather than as a fixed adjustment. The engine runs fine, but it looks odd inside. Would those of you with headless Witte engines please take a look at your needle valves and let me know if they have the same setup or if they have a more conventional "needle" valve? I'd like to know if this setup is original or some sort of kludge repair done in the engine's past. Thanks!! See ya, Arnie PS - Also solved a nagging problem with my Bamford today. On the last day of the Cotton Ginning Days show the engine just wouldn't run. It was getting fuel, was timed correctly, and had a nice fat spark. It just wouldn't hit! Today in the shed I was cranking it over and noticed a nice fat blue spark between the plug lead and the water hopper!! Turns out there was a flaw in the lead near where it clamps to the hopper! When we were checking the spark the flawed part of the lead was well away from the hopper! Put a new lead on and she runs sweetly again. In the bright sun with background noise at the show, that side-spark just wasn't noticed. In the darker, quiet shed however.... 8-))) Life is good! Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Oct 19 16:30:02 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:30:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! References: Message-ID: <001501c4b633$8f871b00$8b6f29cb@oemcomputer> I make them .Just made one today and posted it.If your interested reply of list for a price. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 10:54 Subject: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! > Howdy all; > Well the 5hp Galloway saw outfit is up and runnin'. Took a little elbow > grease, but she went up to 320 rpm and ran for about an hour. Latch needs > some work still, and the head gasket leaked a little water. Hopefully I > patched that up last night. > > First observation is that it is much quieter (stack music) than the 5hp > Economy. Will play with the exhaust valve timing some more on that one. > > All in all it was a fantastic day at the Strobel shed and we had a ball. > Will put some pictures up as soon as the belt arrives and we get her outside > working. > > Live is GREAT!! > > Take Care, > RickinMt. > PS: Anyone on the ATIS have a IHC 4hp Hopper cooled, horizontal? We're > gonna try to get one to follow us home today. That baby must weight close > to a ton!!! It is a big'un. Also a Herc dragsaw and a 1921(?) maytag > washer might come home also. > > PSS; Do they make repro mag gears (IHC) for a 1.5 hp "M" ? > > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Oct 19 16:34:48 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:34:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Headless Witte Mixer Question References: Message-ID: <003301c4b634$3a301200$8b6f29cb@oemcomputer> Hi Arnie.My 5hp is set up the same as yours. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 7:16 Subject: [SEL] Headless Witte Mixer Question > Hi Folks, > > I was just doing some work on the mixer of my 4 hp headless Witte (circa > 1926) and noticed that the needle valve setup is "odd." > > The "needle" valve is flat-bottomed with a small tit at the center. > Sitting in a hole below where the needle valve goes is a short > rectangular floating needle that sits on the seat. The top of this > floating needle has a small depression that aligns with the tit on the > adjustable part. > > It appears that the needle valve functions as a vertical travel limiter > rather than as a fixed adjustment. The engine runs fine, but it looks > odd inside. > > Would those of you with headless Witte engines please take a look at your > needle valves and let me know if they have the same setup or if they have > a more conventional "needle" valve? I'd like to know if this setup is > original or some sort of kludge repair done in the engine's past. > > Thanks!! > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - Also solved a nagging problem with my Bamford today. On the last day > of the Cotton Ginning Days show the engine just wouldn't run. It was > getting fuel, was timed correctly, and had a nice fat spark. It just > wouldn't hit! Today in the shed I was cranking it over and noticed a nice > fat blue spark between the plug lead and the water hopper!! Turns out > there was a flaw in the lead near where it clamps to the hopper! When we > were checking the spark the flawed part of the lead was well away from the > hopper! Put a new lead on and she runs sweetly again. In the bright > sun with background noise at the show, that side-spark just wasn't > noticed. In the darker, quiet shed however.... 8-))) Life is good! > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. > From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue Oct 19 16:55:58 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:55:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200410192356.i9JNu1Zf024576@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Rick, Is the IHC hit n miss or a Throttler? I have most of a throttler. Whata need? Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 5:55 AM To: SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! Howdy all; Well the 5hp Galloway saw outfit is up and runnin'. Took a little elbow grease, but she went up to 320 rpm and ran for about an hour. Latch needs some work still, and the head gasket leaked a little water. Hopefully I patched that up last night. First observation is that it is much quieter (stack music) than the 5hp Economy. Will play with the exhaust valve timing some more on that one. All in all it was a fantastic day at the Strobel shed and we had a ball. Will put some pictures up as soon as the belt arrives and we get her outside working. Live is GREAT!! Take Care, RickinMt. PS: Anyone on the ATIS have a IHC 4hp Hopper cooled, horizontal? We're gonna try to get one to follow us home today. That baby must weight close to a ton!!! It is a big'un. Also a Herc dragsaw and a 1921(?) maytag washer might come home also. PSS; Do they make repro mag gears (IHC) for a 1.5 hp "M" ? http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 19 17:32:29 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:32:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns References: <000701c4b55c$47466170$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7><002701c4b569$b7d6fcd0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <4175068E.50704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001801c4b63c$4a18aa80$210110ac@PaulMaples> Yes Curt I figured it out and then I went to the pictures and had a very enjoyable time looking at them and reading your narrative on the pictures. Personally knowing how labor intensive it is to post pictures I want you to know how much I appreciate you doing this and how much I feel this contributes to our hobby. Thanks Curt for posting the pictures and allowing all of us to share your enjoyment in being there. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns > Paul, > Guess you've figured out by now that the problem is the wrapping of the > URL. Looks like the "l" on the end of .html got dropped. > I'm trying an experiment with this email in that I changed the wrap > default from 72 characters to 99 characters. Here is the URL again and > we'll see if it wraps now. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.html > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > From alanb2 at webtv.net Tue Oct 19 19:06:44 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:06:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns In-Reply-To: Curt 's message of Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:20:30 -0400 Message-ID: <16039-4175C834-1578@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net> Hi Curt, Thanks for the pictures you managed to get. I really enjoyed them. I really appreciate the way you wrote something about the pictures instead of just having plain pictures. Maybe next August at the Buckley show I will make time to go get some pictures of the 8 bottom plow working. Before I started displaying and just visited the show every year I would always go watch the plowing. I hear they still do it, but they have had to move it farther out to make more show room. With the display I am shooting for next year it will be very hard to get away. It sure was fun seeing those old steam traction engines going across the field with all 8 bottoms down making it look easy. I would love to see cable plowing some time. Was that ever done in the U.S. of A. ???? Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan ~~~~~Curt wrote~~~~~ Guess you've figured out by now that the problem is the wrapping of the URL. Looks like the "l" on the end of .html got dropped. I'm trying an experiment with this email in that I changed the wrap default from 72 characters to 99 characters. Here is the URL again and we'll see if it wraps now. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.html Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Tue Oct 19 19:14:01 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:14:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching Message-ID: <001a01c4b64a$77bfa520$b2680b42@gnarmstrong> I like it to and have used it since seeing it from your Emails but I had run into a source that said it was by Winston Churchill. Really doesn't matter Leroy ,we can still both use it and try to live by it. Thx. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Leroy C. To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: can launching >George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > >>Leroy, >> I've been led to believe your quote attributed to W.A.NANCE is really a >>quote by Winston Churchill. Can you confirm or refute this? Just curious, >>as I always note that quote on your Emails. Geo. >> >>"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." >> W.A. NANCE >> >> >Gday > George, I get a little black book each year and the start of each >week has a quote from different people. This is one that I have always >liked and one I hope to live up too....... I copied teh quote as given >in the book and maybe can find out more about it if you would like me too. > >-- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > >"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > >better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Tue Oct 19 19:19:48 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:19:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Headless Witte Mixer Question Message-ID: <002501c4b64b$46a5f420$b2680b42@gnarmstrong> Arne, Regarding your needle valve set-up on the Witte, remember all is not gold that glitters and all is not tit that titters. Got our 4Hp Bessemer running thanks to the booklet you sent me. Probably the firs time the old gal has run in 30 years. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Arnie Fero To: Stationary Engine List ; Old Engine Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 5:00 PM Subject: [SEL] Headless Witte Mixer Question >Hi Folks, > >I was just doing some work on the mixer of my 4 hp headless Witte (circa >1926) and noticed that the needle valve setup is "odd." > >The "needle" valve is flat-bottomed with a small tit at the center. >Sitting in a hole below where the needle valve goes is a short >rectangular floating needle that sits on the seat. The top of this >floating needle has a small depression that aligns with the tit on the >adjustable part. > >It appears that the needle valve functions as a vertical travel limiter >rather than as a fixed adjustment. The engine runs fine, but it looks >odd inside. > >Would those of you with headless Witte engines please take a look at your >needle valves and let me know if they have the same setup or if they have >a more conventional "needle" valve? I'd like to know if this setup is >original or some sort of kludge repair done in the engine's past. > >Thanks!! > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - Also solved a nagging problem with my Bamford today. On the last day >of the Cotton Ginning Days show the engine just wouldn't run. It was >getting fuel, was timed correctly, and had a nice fat spark. It just >wouldn't hit! Today in the shed I was cranking it over and noticed a nice >fat blue spark between the plug lead and the water hopper!! Turns out >there was a flaw in the lead near where it clamps to the hopper! When we >were checking the spark the flawed part of the lead was well away from the >hopper! Put a new lead on and she runs sweetly again. In the bright >sun with background noise at the show, that side-spark just wasn't >noticed. In the darker, quiet shed however.... 8-))) Life is good! > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Oct 19 19:32:10 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:32:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT mail Message-ID: <001301c4b64d$00d54390$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Sorry for the bother. My inbox flew to hell sometime last night and all messages are lost. If anyone sent me an off list message that requires a reply, please send it again. Now to move on to my off list contacts. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Oct 19 19:36:17 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:36:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Can Launching References: <20041019172051.95063.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001a01c4b64d$93bd72e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> I have not tried to launch pigeons yet, but may next year. Do they fly well after launch??? Steve, Not if the guy with the shotgun is any kind of a shooter! Great pictures also. Thanks, Jeff From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Tue Oct 19 19:19:48 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:19:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Headless Witte Mixer Question Message-ID: <002501c4b64b$46a5f420$b2680b42@gnarmstrong> Arne, Regarding your needle valve set-up on the Witte, remember all is not gold that glitters and all is not tit that titters. Got our 4Hp Bessemer running thanks to the booklet you sent me. Probably the firs time the old gal has run in 30 years. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Arnie Fero To: Stationary Engine List ; Old Engine Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 5:00 PM Subject: [SEL] Headless Witte Mixer Question >Hi Folks, > >I was just doing some work on the mixer of my 4 hp headless Witte (circa >1926) and noticed that the needle valve setup is "odd." > >The "needle" valve is flat-bottomed with a small tit at the center. >Sitting in a hole below where the needle valve goes is a short >rectangular floating needle that sits on the seat. The top of this >floating needle has a small depression that aligns with the tit on the >adjustable part. > >It appears that the needle valve functions as a vertical travel limiter >rather than as a fixed adjustment. The engine runs fine, but it looks >odd inside. > >Would those of you with headless Witte engines please take a look at your >needle valves and let me know if they have the same setup or if they have >a more conventional "needle" valve? I'd like to know if this setup is >original or some sort of kludge repair done in the engine's past. > >Thanks!! > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - Also solved a nagging problem with my Bamford today. On the last day >of the Cotton Ginning Days show the engine just wouldn't run. It was >getting fuel, was timed correctly, and had a nice fat spark. It just >wouldn't hit! Today in the shed I was cranking it over and noticed a nice >fat blue spark between the plug lead and the water hopper!! Turns out >there was a flaw in the lead near where it clamps to the hopper! When we >were checking the spark the flawed part of the lead was well away from the >hopper! Put a new lead on and she runs sweetly again. In the bright >sun with background noise at the show, that side-spark just wasn't >noticed. In the darker, quiet shed however.... 8-))) Life is good! > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rwenig at cable-lynx.net Tue Oct 19 20:02:25 2004 From: rwenig at cable-lynx.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:02:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] URL wrapping In-Reply-To: <001301c4b581$874d1140$2c1117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <000701c4b55c$47466170$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7><002701c4b569$b7d6fcd0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <003001c4b56f$21f63f40$336f29cb@oemcomputer> <001301c4b581$874d1140$2c1117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <4175D541.6020004@cable-lynx.net> Hi Guys, Simply adding a < at the beginning of the url and > at the end by the sender of the message seems to prevent the url from wrapping. Such as: At least it seems to work for me. Rupert -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. mailto://rwenig at cable-lynx.net http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/index.html From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Oct 19 20:31:01 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:31:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! References: <001801c4b5f1$f9cf8890$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Thank you John!! Corky and I went down and had a ball with the ole timer. Corky got the Famous and I got the Herc drag saw. It was a great day for both of us. He's also got a complete maytag washer and a twin maytag for sale. Weather is turning bad so we'll play it by ear as far as the pickup goes. We really appreciate your help!! Pix's soon to come ASAP later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! > > Great Rick, you can't have enough stak music in the shed :o) > About that mag gear, there is a guy in GEM that sells them don't > know his name. > I think a 4 hp stationary Famous weights over 1400 lbs. > Catch that baby, > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > Howdy all; > > Well the 5hp Galloway saw outfit is up and runnin'. Took a little elbow > > grease, but she went up to 320 rpm and ran for about an hour. Latch > > needs > > some work still, and the head gasket leaked a little water. Hopefully I > > patched that up last night. > > > > First observation is that it is much quieter (stack music) than the > > 5hp > > Economy. Will play with the exhaust valve timing some more on that one. > > > > All in all it was a fantastic day at the Strobel shed and we had a > > ball. > > Will put some pictures up as soon as the belt arrives and we get her > > outside > > working. > > > > Live is GREAT!! > > > > Take Care, > > RickinMt. > > PS: Anyone on the ATIS have a IHC 4hp Hopper cooled, horizontal? We're > > gonna try to get one to follow us home today. That baby must weight > > close > > to a ton!!! It is a big'un. Also a Herc dragsaw and a 1921(?) maytag > > washer might come home also. > > > > PSS; Do they make repro mag gears (IHC) for a 1.5 hp "M" ? > > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Oct 19 20:37:43 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:37:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! References: <200410192356.i9JNu1Zf024576@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: I believe it's hit and miss Jim...Corky is quite happy....so am I. later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 5:55 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! > Hi Rick, Is the IHC hit n miss or a Throttler? I have most of a throttler. > Whata need? > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 5:55 AM > To: SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! > > Howdy all; > Well the 5hp Galloway saw outfit is up and runnin'. Took a little elbow > grease, but she went up to 320 rpm and ran for about an hour. Latch needs > some work still, and the head gasket leaked a little water. Hopefully I > patched that up last night. > > First observation is that it is much quieter (stack music) than the 5hp > Economy. Will play with the exhaust valve timing some more on that one. > > All in all it was a fantastic day at the Strobel shed and we had a > ball. > Will put some pictures up as soon as the belt arrives and we get her > outside > > working. > > Live is GREAT!! > > Take Care, > RickinMt. > PS: Anyone on the ATIS have a IHC 4hp Hopper cooled, horizontal? We're > gonna try to get one to follow us home today. That baby must weight close > to a ton!!! It is a big'un. Also a Herc dragsaw and a 1921(?) maytag > washer might come home also. > > PSS; Do they make repro mag gears (IHC) for a 1.5 hp "M" ? > > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From carrowor2002 at att.net Tue Oct 19 19:26:36 2004 From: carrowor2002 at att.net (Robert Jacobs) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:26:36 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns References: <16039-4175C834-1578@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <4175CCDC.000001.02572@NOTEBOOK> With the display I am shooting for next year it will be very hard to get away. It sure was fun seeing those old steam traction engines going across the field with all 8 bottoms down making it look easy. I would love to see cable plowing some time. Was that ever done in the U.S. of A. ???? Gotta put my 2 cents in here, As a youngster, traveling around Michigan with my folks, My father would often try to "track down" steam engines and oil pulls he knew of in his youth. Many Sundays were spent traversing old roads in the thumb area as that was his old stomping grounds. He related to us stories of the "prairie farm" area in the thumb. I remember him telling me of farm crews who, after setting the engine/tractor in the furrow, bottoms down, they would tie off the wheel and let it go. Now I'm sure they had to tend to the engine etc. but according to dad, it was pretty easy running for long distances. He once tracked down a Huge Port Huron engine that he thought was one of the engines used. I was only five or six at the time, but the story has stuck with me all this time and being rather small myself, the Port Huron, (in the process of being restored at the time), was a massive and very impressive thing. I do remember dad putting me in the firebox where I stood straight up without touching anything (and of course mother yelling about how dirty I was getting). If there's any truth to the stories I was raised amongst, then I'd have to say that cable plowing was indeed done here in Michigan, and if you've ever traveled in the Michigan thumb area, and taken the time to observe the soil, you'd find some very very heavy black loam. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! Carrowor2002 at att.net From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Oct 20 03:05:04 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 04:05:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! References: <001501c4b633$8f871b00$8b6f29cb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Thanks Edd...I'll forward this to Corky Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edd Payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! > I make them .Just made one today and posted it.If your interested reply of > list for a price. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 10:54 > Subject: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! > > > > Howdy all; > > Well the 5hp Galloway saw outfit is up and runnin'. Took a little elbow > > grease, but she went up to 320 rpm and ran for about an hour. Latch > > needs > > some work still, and the head gasket leaked a little water. Hopefully I > > patched that up last night. > > > > First observation is that it is much quieter (stack music) than the > > 5hp > > Economy. Will play with the exhaust valve timing some more on that one. > > > > All in all it was a fantastic day at the Strobel shed and we had a > ball. > > Will put some pictures up as soon as the belt arrives and we get her > outside > > working. > > > > Live is GREAT!! > > > > Take Care, > > RickinMt. > > PS: Anyone on the ATIS have a IHC 4hp Hopper cooled, horizontal? We're > > gonna try to get one to follow us home today. That baby must weight > > close > > to a ton!!! It is a big'un. Also a Herc dragsaw and a 1921(?) maytag > > washer might come home also. > > > > PSS; Do they make repro mag gears (IHC) for a 1.5 hp "M" ? > > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Certified virus free. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Oct 20 03:26:01 2004 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:26:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronnie Rally In-Reply-To: <20041019132054.22994.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20041020202112.00b81330@mail.ncable.com.au> Same this way Graham, but not me exactly. Peter Willcock (ronnie register man) live about 5 minutes away. He was asked to do the same locally and in turn wanted to pass this job onto me. Peter thought it would be good to do an artical on my 5hp Austral with the roof on it. And about how I was taking it to Ballarat. Unfortunately I'm working again and won't be attending. Had to let the story telling go this time around. But a good idea non the less from the organisers and i can see that they will attract interest from far a field. should be a great show for the lucky one who can make the journey. Russell At 11:20 PM 19/10/2004 +1000, you wrote: >G'day Oz Listers > >I received a letter from the Ronny-Tippet Centenary >rally organisers last week saying that they had chose >us (only us apparantly, at random) to help them out >with a bit of publicity for the rally in our local >area. They suggested contacting the local papers. I >decided to run with it to help them out, and to cut to >the chase...our picture in the paper today with a >nice, accurate story made up from data supplied by me >and the journalists interpretation of the rally >information sheet. > >I contacted 3 newspapers. Two weren't interested >saying that if it's in Ballarat, then the Ballarat >papers should be contacted (isn't that smart) because >it's not an item of local interest. By the 3rd paper >where I was speaking to a bloke, I'd altered my story >a bit to say that my exhibit was bought in the local >area and would have been part of the early farming >history (apple orchards) of the area. I was also able >to use the opportunity to invite people interested in >joining a club to contact me. So good publicity for >two organizations. It was a fair bit of work to set it >all up, but worth the result. > >Umm...we'll be available for autographs at the rally.. >:-) > > >Graham in Oz > > > >Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. >http://au.movies.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 19 17:58:34 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:58:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Can Launching References: <20041019172051.95063.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007e01c4b63f$f9f0a8b0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Thanks Steve for these GREAT pictures, I enjoyed them very much. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 12:20 PM Subject: [SEL] Can Launching >I saw an excellent example of can launching this weekend. A 3lb coffee > can (empty of course) was launched from a large hp engine at the show in > Delmont, PA. This engine has a 10x10 BxS and is of a sideshaft varity. > It launched the can quite high and came down to land in the manure > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Oct 20 04:18:02 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:18:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] /now tractor question. OT?OT References: <20041019172051.95063.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> <41756FCD.7090105@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00ad01c4b696$77243df0$db4b1fd3@km> Shock Horror Curt > I noticed that none of the pulling tractors shown have wheelie bars on > them? This is a requirement here in the south to prevent > rolling one over. Is the use of this safety device not wide spread > across the country? Tractors were not built with them so how are people going to see tractors the way they were originally used on the farm, this restriction by others on the way you show your tractors is the start of the end, It should not be up to the insurance companies or the government to lead you like a bunch of sheep to the slaughter of your hobby. You Americans must remember that tractors don't kill, no matter how long you sit and wait, none just roll over, it is time that individuals accepted responsibility for their actions. But, go ahead, add your wheelie bars and continue to enjoy your hobby as you watch it dwindle in attendance. OK NO FLAMES, I don't mean / believe any of it, just could not resist sending back some of the words, I am not realy a bad person just cannot resist a good stir. Sorry to take up band width with this OT crap All the best to all Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines PS. well I got a laugh out of it From adamcottrill at telstra.com Wed Oct 20 04:21:08 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:21:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronnie Rally Message-ID: Hi Graham, sorry to burst your 15 seconds of fame but I got one of those letters too! Its my understanding they sent one to one member of each club! lucky us!!!! I passed it on to one of our newer members and he got the local paper out to do the story on his engine and the rally. Isnt a great way to get free publicity the people who thought of this deserve a medal! Ill be there from Friday with the Austral we are hoping to start if for the first time in 60 years on Saturday look for us at the Bookaar banner! We've got the fuel lines in tonight (I bought new ones from my local brass foundry only cost $26 for 1.5m of fuel line I thought that was pretty good) and bottom water lines to the belly tank all that remains is the shorten the other remainding water line from the pump to the cylinder so it fits and a final clean down. We put some kero in the fuel tank to test the intergrity of the fuel line joins and after the second pump it picked up and on the forth it was circulating to the carbie and down to the overflow. VERY EXCITING!!!! I hope the rest works this well If anyone is heading there on Friday or during the weekend my number is 0419145747 it would be great to catch up Friday evening for a few quite ones or a meal. I look forward to seeing some of you there. Cheers, Adam From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Oct 20 05:03:17 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:03:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronnie Rally In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200410201203.i9KC39Rk058596@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I have my good old 3.5hp Austral all loaded and almost ready to go. I loaded it in the break in the rain last night and I am glad I did as it has rained heavily since :( I have gone over the engine and done all sorts of little jobs that needed doing. I have learnt an important lesson: If it is running well, leave it alone as you never know what you will find. All sorts of silly things (such as a leaking fuel pump) had to be fixed. I even put new wicks in the oilers! See you all in Ballarat. I will have my mobile with me (0418 692013) or just look for the big silver Nissan towing an Austral ;) http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ozday03/0103austral.jpg Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From curt at imc-group.com Wed Oct 20 05:12:51 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:12:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] /now tractor question. OT?OT In-Reply-To: <00ad01c4b696$77243df0$db4b1fd3@km> References: <20041019172051.95063.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> <41756FCD.7090105@imc-group.com> <00ad01c4b696$77243df0$db4b1fd3@km> Message-ID: <41765643.3090200@imc-group.com> Kerry wrote: >Shock Horror Curt > > > >Tractors were not built with them so how are people going to see tractors >the way they were originally used on the farm, this restriction by others on >the way you show your tractors is the start of the end, It should not be up >to the insurance companies or the government to lead you like a bunch of >sheep to the slaughter of your hobby. > >You Americans must remember that tractors don't kill, no matter how long you >sit and wait, none just roll over, it is time that individuals accepted >responsibility for their actions. > >But, go ahead, add your wheelie bars and continue to enjoy your hobby as you >watch it dwindle in attendance. > > > Too funny Kerry! ROTHLMAO I do feel compelled to clarify one important point. The requirement is solely up to the discretion of the fellow putting on the tractor pull. It is NOT the mandate of any insurance company. Most tractor pullers have added them independent of any show owners requirement just do to the safe thing for themselves in the event of a mechanical failure of the pressure plate or throw out bearing. You hardly see the bars when installed. They simply are a foot or pad, maybe 4" off the ground just a little aft of the tread. At first glance you'd think they wouldn't do a bit of good, but so long as they raise the drive wheels when the front comes up too high they are effective. Thanks for the creative humorous writing. Will chuckle all day now.... Curt From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Oct 20 05:09:01 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:09:01 +0800 Subject: [SEL] windmills Message-ID: <001901c4b69d$99984370$52a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> I am restoring what i think is a Southern Cross windmill. I have had to make a new main shaft , ie the shaft that holds the blades. This shaft has two driving pinions which engage with the crank gears. Does anyone know what the spacer looks like or whatever it is that holds the driving pinions apart. It must also retain the shaft in the gearbox. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Oct 20 05:34:48 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:34:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns References: <16039-4175C834-1578@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <005f01c4b6a1$2fed3080$6b856ad5@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns > Hi Curt, > Thanks for the pictures you managed to get. (Big Snip) > I would love to see cable plowing some time. Was that ever done in the > U.S. of A. ???? > Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Hi Alan, I don't know about the US but it was common in the UK. We even have a firm that still uses Steam Ploughing Engines to dredge the lakes & meres on stately estates. They can pull a scoop across the lake with no problem. PS see http://community.webshots.com/photo/167571610/167580059GSBXOQ A picture I took earlier this year that covers a slight time span. 8^) Dave Croft England. From plb at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 20 05:44:43 2004 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:44:43 +0800 Subject: [SEL] windmills References: <001901c4b69d$99984370$52a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <038b01c4b6a2$9318cdd0$0201010a@Portable> Peter,there are two common Southern Cross mills in common use.The Z pattern was made up till about 1952.On this mill the fan spokes are clamped to the hub by a type of U bolt. The tail is made of corrigated iron. The bearings inside the head are babbit type. The later IZ has spokes that screw into the hub and a flat sheet tail. The bearings inside are replacable white metal. There is a bearing out at the end of the snout on both models that supports the shaft, The other bearing which acts as a spacer is in front of the guide bar. There is a pinion on either side and I think they are located by a roll pin. All later Z's and all IZ's also have two grub screws in the pinions that locate onto flats on the shaft. I do have a manual for the IZ which I can get to you if you want. Both models came in fan diameter's of 6 foot,8,10,12 and 14 foot. You can still buy the IZ's new and get parts for both. The older model has to have the bearings cast into the head. WD Moore here in Perth used to do it and likely still do. Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 8:09 PM Subject: [SEL] windmills >I am restoring what i think is a Southern Cross windmill. I have had to >make > a new main shaft , ie the shaft that holds the blades. This shaft has two > driving pinions which engage with the crank gears. Does anyone know what > the spacer looks like or whatever it is that holds the driving pinions > apart. It must also retain the shaft in the gearbox. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From wmrohrer at myactv.net Wed Oct 20 05:49:55 2004 From: wmrohrer at myactv.net (Mike Rohrer) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:49:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Headless Witte Mixer Question In-Reply-To: <002501c4b64b$46a5f420$b2680b42@gnarmstrong> Message-ID: <200410201250.i9KCo1Q5078437@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of George & Norma Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 10:20 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Headless Witte Mixer Question Arne, Regarding your needle valve set-up on the Witte, remember all is not gold that glitters and all is not tit that titters. Got our 4Hp Bessemer running thanks to the booklet you sent me. Probably the firs time the old gal has run in 30 years. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Arnie Fero To: Stationary Engine List ; Old Engine Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 5:00 PM Subject: [SEL] Headless Witte Mixer Question >Hi Folks, > >I was just doing some work on the mixer of my 4 hp headless Witte (circa >1926) and noticed that the needle valve setup is "odd." > >The "needle" valve is flat-bottomed with a small tit at the center. >Sitting in a hole below where the needle valve goes is a short >rectangular floating needle that sits on the seat. The top of this >floating needle has a small depression that aligns with the tit on the >adjustable part. > >It appears that the needle valve functions as a vertical travel limiter >rather than as a fixed adjustment. The engine runs fine, but it looks >odd inside. > >Would those of you with headless Witte engines please take a look at your >needle valves and let me know if they have the same setup or if they have >a more conventional "needle" valve? I'd like to know if this setup is >original or some sort of kludge repair done in the engine's past. > >Thanks!! > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - Also solved a nagging problem with my Bamford today. On the last day >of the Cotton Ginning Days show the engine just wouldn't run. It was >getting fuel, was timed correctly, and had a nice fat spark. It just >wouldn't hit! Today in the shed I was cranking it over and noticed a nice >fat blue spark between the plug lead and the water hopper!! Turns out >there was a flaw in the lead near where it clamps to the hopper! When we >were checking the spark the flawed part of the lead was well away from the >hopper! Put a new lead on and she runs sweetly again. In the bright >sun with background noise at the show, that side-spark just wasn't >noticed. In the darker, quiet shed however.... 8-))) Life is good! > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Oct 20 09:23:52 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:23:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Can Launching Message-ID: <20041020.122831.1292.7.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks for the pics Steve, I was unable to attend this years show - I missed you guys - Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Oct 20 12:25:10 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:25:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns In-Reply-To: <005f01c4b6a1$2fed3080$6b856ad5@no1> References: <16039-4175C834-1578@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net> <005f01c4b6a1$2fed3080$6b856ad5@no1> Message-ID: <23464.165.206.180.118.1098300310.squirrel@165.206.180.118> I have a magazine from around the 1917 time period that shows photos of cable plowing, and it tells of plowing in the czar's empire (referring to Russia of that time) Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Bowen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 3:06 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns > > >> Hi Curt, >> Thanks for the pictures you managed to get. > (Big Snip) >> I would love to see cable plowing some time. Was that ever done in the >> U.S. of A. ???? >> Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net > > Hi Alan, I don't know about the US but it was common in the UK. > We even have a firm that still uses Steam Ploughing Engines to dredge > the lakes & meres on stately estates. They can pull a scoop across the > lake with no problem. > PS see http://community.webshots.com/photo/167571610/167580059GSBXOQ > A picture I took earlier this year that covers a slight time span. 8^) > Dave Croft > England. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Oct 20 14:26:46 2004 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 07:26:46 +1000 Subject: [SEL] windmills In-Reply-To: <001901c4b69d$99984370$52a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20041021072504.00b6b618@mail.ncable.com.au> G'day Peter, mate I own a Southern cross windmill. Don't know much about them. Mine is still lying on the ground which my wife often reminds me about!! :-) Anyway I could take some pics for you if it would be helpful. Cheers, Russell At 08:09 PM 20/10/2004 +0800, you wrote: >I am restoring what i think is a Southern Cross windmill. I have had to make >a new main shaft , ie the shaft that holds the blades. This shaft has two >driving pinions which engage with the crank gears. Does anyone know what >the spacer looks like or whatever it is that holds the driving pinions >apart. It must also retain the shaft in the gearbox. >Peter Ogborne >Little Grove ,Albany >West Australia >''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >jopeter at omninet.net.au > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From BetCleve321 at aol.com Wed Oct 20 14:53:43 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:53:43 EDT Subject: [SEL] Headless Witte Mixer Question Message-ID: <6a.48298a52.2ea83867@aol.com> In a message dated 10/19/2004 10:25:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, gnarmstrong at netnitco.net writes: tit that titters. Probably the firs time the old gal has run in 30 years. Geo. Probably a ballance problem will set in here but tell er to give it a try anyhow. Skip From BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com Wed Oct 20 15:05:20 2004 From: BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com (barry gorman) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:05:20 +1000 Subject: [SEL] windmills References: <001901c4b69d$99984370$52a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <002301c4b6f0$e9acaab0$ad398a90@userw32g91tqfi> Peter, When you are travelling along the big flat bit you may see ,when you get into South Aus a lot of discarded and or in need of repair a few windmills You may have some things at the Nat to bring the bits home . Barry G. The Glorious Hunter Valley AUSTRALIA BarryandPamGorman at bigpond,com ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: [SEL] windmills > I am restoring what i think is a Southern Cross windmill. From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Oct 20 18:04:42 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:04:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Can Launching References: <20041019172051.95063.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003201c4b709$f657bbb0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Another method of launching from my buddies younger days. For the truly insane. Snip from his message: > Oh! The one that worked the best was made from an old driveshaft. One end was cut off, at the opposite end we had welded in a nut (14mm) to accommodate a spark plug. It was fired with a coil and point/condenser set. To charge it, we would use acetylene, ether and oxygen ( you will have to experiment with the mix). As I recall, we charged it through the spark plug hole and we already had some newspaper wadding in the discharge end. After charging, we put the plug back in and loaded the tennis ball (beer can full of water worked well too) and rammed it down to compress the gasses, then all you had to do was secure the driveshaft and break the points. It made a hell-of-a-lot of noise and would send a full beer about 2 blocks. Also the same effect can be had with pvc pipe, hair spray, and potatoes. For this you use a lantern flint to ignite it. This one is easier to build, if you want I'll try to come up with some instructions and an illustration. > Enjoy your launcher if you choose to build one, and pictures please. Use at your own risk, and that of others. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:20 AM Subject: [SEL] Can Launching >I saw an excellent example of can launching this weekend. A 3lb coffee > can (empty of course) was launched from a large hp engine at the show in > Delmont, PA. This engine has a 10x10 BxS and is of a sideshaft varity. > It launched the can quite high and came down to land in the manure > spreader (used to move apple mash after being removed from the cider > press). The owner will not be identified, to protect the feelings of the > manure spreader. It was trully an excellent display of the power of these > engines. Pics from the show can be seen at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2004Delmont.htm > > I have launched plastic water bottles with ~1/2" of water in it for > ballast from my 10hp Challenge. At a local showa year or two back, there > was a large field in front of us and a bunch of "troubled" students were > brought out. They ended up playing 500 catch with me launching it. A > great time was had by all that time. I have not tried to launch pigeons > yet, but may next year. Do they fly well after launch??? > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bethell1 at iinet.net.au Thu Oct 21 03:20:59 2004 From: bethell1 at iinet.net.au (jim bethell) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:20:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronnie Rally References: Message-ID: <000901c4b757$a9a4bcc0$a2eccecb@default> Adam, Our crew from Mildura are heading down Friday morning, Look for Vintage Machinery Society of Sunraysia banner regards JIm Jim Bethell Mildura "Gateway to the outback" bethell1 at iinet.net..au http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 9:21 PM Subject: [SEL] Ronnie Rally > > Hi Graham, > sorry to burst your 15 seconds of fame but I got one of those letters too! Its my understanding they sent one to one member of each club! lucky us!!!! I passed it on to one of our newer members and he got the local paper out to do the story on his engine and the rally. > > Isnt a great way to get free publicity the people who thought of this deserve a medal! > > Ill be there from Friday with the Austral we are hoping to start if for the first time in 60 years on Saturday look for us at the Bookaar banner! > > We've got the fuel lines in tonight (I bought new ones from my local brass foundry only cost $26 for 1.5m of fuel line I thought that was pretty good) and bottom water lines to the belly tank all that remains is the shorten the other remainding water line from the pump to the cylinder so it fits and a final clean down. > > We put some kero in the fuel tank to test the intergrity of the fuel line joins and after the second pump it picked up and on the forth it was circulating to the carbie and down to the overflow. VERY EXCITING!!!! I hope the rest works this well > > If anyone is heading there on Friday or during the weekend my number is 0419145747 it would be great to catch up Friday evening for a few quite ones or a meal. > > I look forward to seeing some of you there. > > Cheers, > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Oct 21 03:22:37 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:22:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronnie Rally In-Reply-To: <200410201203.i9KC39Rk058596@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200410201203.i9KC39Rk058596@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <41778DED.4030807@steamengine.com.au> I'll be at the RonaTip too... if you're trying to find me 0413 023 445. Paul Patrick M Livingstone wrote: -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From bethell1 at iinet.net.au Thu Oct 21 03:24:42 2004 From: bethell1 at iinet.net.au (jim bethell) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:24:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] windmills References: <001901c4b69d$99984370$52a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <003701c4b758$2eda9ae0$a2eccecb@default> Pete, I have parts manuals for s/c mills at work also Tyco irrigation in Toowoomba took over s/c mills and still sell some parts for early ones as well as new ones. regards Jim Bethell Mildura "Gateway to the outback" bethell1 at iinet.net..au http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: [SEL] windmills > I am restoring what i think is a Southern Cross windmill. I have had to make > a new main shaft , ie the shaft that holds the blades. This shaft has two > driving pinions which engage with the crank gears. Does anyone know what > the spacer looks like or whatever it is that holds the driving pinions > apart. It must also retain the shaft in the gearbox. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Oct 21 05:07:00 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 06:07:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bringing home the Famous Message-ID: Howdy all; Well yesterday Corky and I went down and picked up the 4hp Famous. Here's a photo of Ed the PO and the loading is going fine. The roller ramps work great and this monster is supposted to weigh in at 1400 lbs. http://community.webshots.com/photo/203152588/203565721HEQGix And here it is backed into the shed. Notice the hole on the base..doesn't look original. And yes the valve tower has been worked on. http://community.webshots.com/photo/203152588/203566546glxXlF Headed down to pickup my Herc. Dragsaw today.....if Corky can move Take Care RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Thu Oct 21 05:22:15 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:22:15 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Headless Witte Mixer Question - now OT Message-ID: <20041021122215.56187.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> Steady George... Don't talk too much to Arnie about tits. He is still in the recovery phase - it might be too much for him yet... :-) Graham, Oz George & Norma Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 10:20 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Headless Witte Mixer Question Arne, Regarding your needle valve set-up on the Witte, remember all is not gold that glitters and all is not tit that titters. Got our 4Hp Bessemer running thanks to the booklet you sent me. Probably the firs time the old gal has run in 30 years. Geo. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Oct 21 05:21:29 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 06:21:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Madison Kipp Message-ID: Howdy gang; Picked up what I believe is a Madison-Kipp lubricator (well at least it's got the right letters :-)). Were these a buyer option and is the bottom hole the outlet? Any special tractor or engine that this went on? http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/203567864ercTxH TIA RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Oct 21 05:38:55 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:38:55 +0800 Subject: [SEL] windmills Message-ID: <001d01c4b76a$f1794710$dea226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Ray ,Russell,Barry and Jim. I think I have the problem licked now. The biggest mountain that I have to conquer now is convincing my wife that a wind mill would look good in the front garden............we have a big front garden ,4 acres but it is still going to take some talking. Wind mill erection is an art that i will have to learn. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Oct 21 06:23:03 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:23:03 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Bringing home the Famous References: Message-ID: <001001c4b771$17e00000$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Mighty engine Rick! John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Howdy all; > Well yesterday Corky and I went down and picked up the 4hp Famous. Here's a > photo of Ed the PO and the loading is going fine. The roller ramps work > great and this monster is supposted to weigh in at 1400 lbs. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/203152588/203565721HEQGix > > And here it is backed into the shed. Notice the hole on the base..doesn't > look original. And yes the valve tower has been worked on. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/203152588/203566546glxXlF > > Headed down to pickup my Herc. Dragsaw today.....if Corky can move > > Take Care > RickinMt. > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dotto at velocitus.net Thu Oct 21 07:03:42 2004 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:03:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bringing home the Famous In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c4b776$c6cbb780$01043c0a@DD1BF421> Hi Rick Nice project! The holes in the base are original. The oval on in the middle is for the air intake pipe from the mixer. The other one would be for the water pipe if the engine was a screen cooled model with the pump. A good friend of mine here has nicely restored 4hp hit & miss famous. One sweet running engine! Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:07 AM To: SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Bringing home the Famous Howdy all; Well yesterday Corky and I went down and picked up the 4hp Famous. Here's a photo of Ed the PO and the loading is going fine. The roller ramps work great and this monster is supposted to weigh in at 1400 lbs. http://community.webshots.com/photo/203152588/203565721HEQGix And here it is backed into the shed. Notice the hole on the base..doesn't look original. And yes the valve tower has been worked on. http://community.webshots.com/photo/203152588/203566546glxXlF Headed down to pickup my Herc. Dragsaw today.....if Corky can move Take Care RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Thu Oct 21 12:23:59 2004 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:23:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Star Engine- In-Reply-To: <003201c4b709$f657bbb0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: Does anybody have any good pictures of the Star engine that was made by Star Manufacturing Co. in New Lexington OH.? Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Thu Oct 21 10:36:24 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:36:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Star Engine- References: Message-ID: <060701c4b794$7ed3f780$0301a8c0@ALEC> Rob Skinner might, Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 3:23 PM Subject: [SEL] Star Engine- > Does anybody have any good pictures of the Star engine that was made by > Star Manufacturing Co. in New Lexington OH.? > Andrew. > > >From Andrew at > tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com > engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com > b10730 at hotmail.com > > Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ > http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From oldengineman at hotmail.com Thu Oct 21 14:35:21 2004 From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Pete Stauffer) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:35:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Star Engine- References: Message-ID: Hi Andrew, I think I mak have some photos of the Ohio Star engine. Ill look at home, tonight. Which e-mail address would you like me to use? Pete Stauffer Hidden deep among the hills of southern West Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 12:23 PM Subject: [SEL] Star Engine- > Does anybody have any good pictures of the Star engine that was made by > Star Manufacturing Co. in New Lexington OH.? > Andrew. > > >From Andrew at > tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com > engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com > b10730 at hotmail.com > > Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ > http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu Thu Oct 21 13:31:43 2004 From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:31:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Star Engine- Message-ID: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9D7@email05.bsu.edu> Andrew, I have one picture of a Star engine (made in New Lexington, OH) currently posted on my website. To see it go to http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker/shows/oldshows/star.jpg Don Siefker 28 Miles SW of Portland, IN USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Andrew Sent: Thu 10/21/2004 2:23 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Star Engine- Does anybody have any good pictures of the Star engine that was made by Star Manufacturing Co. in New Lexington OH.? Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Thu Oct 21 14:35:32 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:35:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - critter launchers Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70276AEC4@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>I have not tried to launch pigeons yet, but may next year. Do they fly well after launch??? >>Steve The military pigeons work well for this purpose. Designator A/N-ABB-12. They also carry tales. Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 21 14:31:41 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:31:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic Message-ID: <001101c4b7b5$5b36d420$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> http://www.enginads.com/smokstak.cgi/read/77336&expand/1 I think I know this guy ... From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Oct 21 14:41:22 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:41:22 EDT Subject: [SEL] Can Launching Message-ID: <1fb.28851b.2ea98702@aol.com> In a message dated 10/20/2004 9:00:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: << Also the same effect can be had with pvc pipe, hair spray, and potatoes. >> Jeff, Web site on spud guns: http://www.spudtech.com/ Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rexhinz at chorus.net Thu Oct 21 15:32:06 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:32:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic References: <001101c4b7b5$5b36d420$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <000f01c4b7bd$cf9fe100$7c86a5d8@mycomputer> Well if you want to use this site for political campaining I guess I'm outa here just like Joe , Ive had enough , maybe I can find a true engine site , bye all. and thanks for the help some of you gave me on my engine questions Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL" Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic > http://www.enginads.com/smokstak.cgi/read/77336&expand/1 > > I think I know this guy ... > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Oct 21 15:36:23 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:36:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Star Engine- In-Reply-To: <060701c4b794$7ed3f780$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <200410212236.i9LMaTDn065861@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Nope. Ain't me. > Rob Skinner might, > > Does anybody have any good pictures of the Star > > engine that was made by > > Star Manufacturing Co. in New Lexington OH.? From BetCleve321 at aol.com Thu Oct 21 16:21:29 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:21:29 EDT Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic Message-ID: <89.18579289.2ea99e79@aol.com> In a message dated 10/21/2004 6:59:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, rexhinz at chorus.net writes: Well if you want to use this site for political campaining I guess I'm outa here just like Joe , Ive had enough , maybe I can find a true engine site , bye all. and thanks for the help some of you gave me on my engine questions Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL" Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic > http://www.enginads.com/smokstak.cgi/read/77336 Oh, good grief. Skip From carrowor2002 at att.net Thu Oct 21 16:55:00 2004 From: carrowor2002 at att.net (Robert Jacobs) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:55:00 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic References: <89.18579289.2ea99e79@aol.com> Message-ID: <41784C54.000001.02588@NOTEBOOK> Wow -- really thin skinned -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 10/21/04 19:27:42 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice domestic In a message dated 10/21/2004 6:59:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, rexhinz at chorus.net writes: Well if you want to use this site for political campaining I guess I'm outa here just like Joe , Ive had enough , maybe I can find a true engine site , bye all. and thanks for the help some of you gave me on my engine questions Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL" Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic > http://www.enginads.com/smokstak.cgi/read/77336 Oh, good grief. Skip _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rexhinz at chorus.net Thu Oct 21 16:57:06 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:57:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic References: <89.18579289.2ea99e79@aol.com> Message-ID: <000901c4b7c9$adc69a40$2686a5d8@mycomputer> Oh good grief is right , I didn't look at the poster good enough to see the last line , after I saw it it was too late cause I already posted this stupid reply, please forgive me and disregard this my last post Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice domestic > > In a message dated 10/21/2004 6:59:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, > rexhinz at chorus.net writes: > > Well if you want to use this site for political campaining I guess I'm outa > here just like Joe , Ive had enough , maybe I can find a true engine site , > bye all. and thanks for the help some of you gave me on my engine questions > > Rex Hinz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "SEL" > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:31 PM > Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic > > > > http://www.enginads.com/smokstak.cgi/read/77336 > > > Oh, good grief. > > Skip > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Oct 21 17:34:23 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:34:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Nice domestic In-Reply-To: <000f01c4b7bd$cf9fe100$7c86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <200410220034.i9M0YXP2030766@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > > http://www.enginads.com/smokstak.cgi/read/77336&expand/1 > > > > I think I know this guy ... > Well if you want to use this site for political campaining I > guess I'm outa here just like Joe , Ive had enough , > maybe I can find a true engine site , bye all. and thanks > for the help some of you gave me on my engine questions > > Rex Hinz Damn Dave! Even your engines piss off the Democrats! On November second I'm gonna set up a row of engines outside the polling place and REALLY disenfranchise some voters. From brock at netspeed.com.au Wed Oct 20 05:16:28 2004 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:16:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronnie Rally References: <200410201203.i9KC39Rk058596@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <003401c4b69e$a1d95780$5f11fea9@merlin> G,day All I,ve also loaded up my 4 hp Austral almost ready to head off to the rally se ya in Ballarat my mobile is 0423 637800 Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:03 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Ronnie Rally >I have my good old 3.5hp Austral all loaded and almost ready to go. I >loaded > it in the break in the rain last night and I am glad I did as it has > rained > heavily since :( > I have gone over the engine and done all sorts of little jobs that needed > doing. I have learnt an important lesson: If it is running well, leave it > alone as you never know what you will find. All sorts of silly things > (such > as a leaking fuel pump) had to be fixed. I even put new wicks in the > oilers! > See you all in Ballarat. I will have my mobile with me (0418 692013) or > just > look for the big silver Nissan towing an Austral ;) > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ozday03/0103austral.jpg > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Oct 21 19:07:21 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:07:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic References: <89.18579289.2ea99e79@aol.com> <000901c4b7c9$adc69a40$2686a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <001c01c4b7db$de14c340$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Let me get this straight Rex. When it looked like a pro Kerry add, it was political campaigning, and when it didn't, it wasn't? Pretty damn liberal Democratic view from where I stand. My first look was the same as yours, and I figure this IS a free country. Steve could be one, but still a nice engine. Second look had me ROTFLOL. Are you sure you're not a closet Democrat? Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice domestic > Oh good grief is right , I didn't look at the poster good enough to see > the > last line , after I saw it it was too late cause I already posted this > stupid reply, please forgive me and disregard this my last post > > Rex > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice domestic > > >> >> In a message dated 10/21/2004 6:59:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> rexhinz at chorus.net writes: >> >> Well if you want to use this site for political campaining I guess I'm > outa >> here just like Joe , Ive had enough , maybe I can find a true engine >> site > , >> bye all. and thanks for the help some of you gave me on my engine > questions >> >> Rex Hinz >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "SEL" >> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:31 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic >> >> >> > http://www.enginads.com/smokstak.cgi/read/77336 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 22 05:14:18 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:14:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Herc 1 3/4 hp dragsaw Message-ID: Howdy all; Looking for any information and pictures that might help me in identifying parts needed for my dragsaw. Mainly the in/out clutch on the crankshaft. Would it be possible for a machinist to build this clutch? All that's there now is a belt pulley, the chain sprocket, and looks like someone added a ball bearing assy., like for a spacer which I don't understand. Thanks much for your time and trouble. I'll post pictures later today. Rick Strobel in "The Big Sky" http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 22 05:19:07 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:19:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bringing home the Famous References: <000001c4b776$c6cbb780$01043c0a@DD1BF421> Message-ID: Thanks for the reply, Dave!! With those huge flywheels, I'll bet it develops a lot of kinetic energy. This one is igniter fired and he needs one flyweight. Other than that and a gas tank it looks like it's pretty complete. Next time you see your friend would you ask him if he would mind corresponding with Cork? Well thanks again! RickinMt. > Hi Rick > > Nice project! The holes in the base are original. The oval on in the > middle is for the air intake pipe from the mixer. The other one would be > for the water pipe if the engine was a screen cooled model with the > pump. > > A good friend of mine here has nicely restored 4hp hit & miss famous. > One sweet running engine! > > Dave > > > Dave Otto > Boise, Idaho > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:07 AM > To: SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Bringing home the Famous > > Howdy all; > Well yesterday Corky and I went down and picked up the 4hp Famous. > Here's a > photo of Ed the PO and the loading is going fine. The roller ramps work > > great and this monster is supposted to weigh in at 1400 lbs. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/203152588/203565721HEQGix > > And here it is backed into the shed. Notice the hole on the > base..doesn't > look original. And yes the valve tower has been worked on. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/203152588/203566546glxXlF > > Headed down to pickup my Herc. Dragsaw today.....if Corky can move > > Take Care > RickinMt. > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri Oct 22 07:11:43 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic In-Reply-To: <001c01c4b7db$de14c340$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <20041022141143.39969.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Since my post on Harry's and a photo of an engine that belongs to someone else on the list was referenced, I believe that I can answer. I posted pictures from the show earlier this week on my site. I posted a short write up under the Can Launching title on the SEL list. The the picture that was posted on Harry's was on the page under that link along with all of the other pictures. >From my standpoint, there was nothing political about it. It was an exhibior's engine who had it on display at the show. Just like I put signs by my engine, others are allowed to do the same. Since it is a very unique engine (try to find many more of that flavor in that HP) I used it on the other web site posting. From the reaction from the show attendance, I think many people got a kick out of it. I know I did. You should have seen the other bumper stickers that this person had(both on and off the engine). I'm not going into my personal politics on this list, but if I could vote IN FRANCE, I would.... :), But I live in Illinois and will vote in Illinois as I have for the past 12 years that I have been old enough to vote. Steve PS. I vote the person and not the party. PSS. When you go to the circus, Why is it that you see Elepahnts and no Donkeys??? PSS. See ya over on slick list.... --- Jeff Allen wrote: Let me get this straight Rex. When it looked like a pro Kerry add, it was political campaigning, and when it didn't, it wasn't? Pretty damn liberal Democratic view from where I stand. My first look was the same as yours, and I figure this IS a free country. Steve could be one, but still a nice engine. Second look had me ROTFLOL. Are you sure you're not a closet Democrat? Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice domestic Oh good grief is right , I didn't look at the poster good enough to see the last line , after I saw it it was too late cause I already posted this stupid reply, please forgive me and disregard this my last post Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice domestic In a message dated 10/21/2004 6:59:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, rexhinz at chorus.net writes: Well if you want to use this site for political campaining I guess I'm outa here just like Joe , Ive had enough , maybe I can find a true engine site, bye all. and thanks for the help some of you gave me on my engine questions Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL" Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic http://www.enginads.com/smokstak.cgi/read/77336 From tsmith at hal-pc.org Fri Oct 22 09:05:25 2004 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:05:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FM Z 3hp In-Reply-To: References: <000001c4b776$c6cbb780$01043c0a@DD1BF421> Message-ID: Hi Group, Well a newbie comes to surface with his first question on FM Z 3hp. Situation: Stuck but the cylinder looks ok. Head has a 1? crack (external and not near a head bolt hole). Looks easily repairable. The FM R mag needs a magnet at the very least. I think rebuilt mags are available for about $250. I don?t know about the magnets. Mag/governor bracket is broken and the governor missing. Parts apparently available from Hit N Miss Now the biggie ? The rod journal and one main journal has approximately 40% area that is corroded. Some pitting about .050? into the journal surface. Is this a total loss or can it be turned (oversize bearing available)? Are there good used cranks available? I need a little direction here. Do I scrap the project because of the crank problem or?? Thanks in advance, Tom From George_Best at adp.com Fri Oct 22 10:08:15 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:08:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] FM Z 3hp Message-ID: Welcome Tom, None of the problems you've mentioned are big enough to scrap the project. However, you can easily end up with more money invested in fixing this engine than it is worth. So it depends on how much money or effort you want to invest in this engine. You'll find that bargain engines with missing or broken parts are not a bargain when you start buying the missing parts. Best recommendation is to always buy complete engines when possible, or know that you can obtain the missing parts for a reasonable price and still have a reasonable amount invested in the engine. Of course some people don't care about the cost and the challenge of restoring a particular engine is all they need. I wouldn't worry about the pits in the crankshaft. Think of them as grease pockets ;-) George Ps.. I've got an early 3hp Z with the Wico EK conversion for replacing the plugoscillator. Its apart and 90% repainted as I started restoring it several years ago and then got more interesting projects and lost interest in this engine. All the parts are there as it was a running engine when I got it. I'd sell it for $600 for anyone willing to come get it, I don't want to crate/ship it. > Situation: > > Stuck but the cylinder looks ok. > > Head has a 1" crack (external and not near a head bolt hole). > Looks easily repairable. > > The FM R mag needs a magnet at the very least. I think > rebuilt mags are available for about $250. I don't know about > the magnets. > > Mag/governor bracket is broken and the governor missing. > Parts apparently available from Hit N Miss > > > > Now the biggie - The rod journal and one main journal has > approximately 40% area that is corroded. Some pitting about > .050" into the journal surface. > > Is this a total loss or can it be turned (oversize bearing > available)? > Are there good used cranks available? > > > > I need a little direction here. Do I scrap the project > because of the crank problem or?? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Tom > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bboyce at swat.coop Fri Oct 22 12:15:37 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:15:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine news Message-ID: <001001c4b86b$83b4eb60$6401a8c0@BillyBob> after about a hundred attempts to contact the "man in charge" of the engine removal, finally talked to him today,,,,, i was afraid they had already removed the engine without letting me know, but no action has been taken,,, he was very receptive to my coming down and taking pictures of it still on the bridge, and of the removal,,,, it really eased my mind about that, as its been 2 weeks since i was told they were going to remove it,,,, not making a lot of progress, but at least not going backwards,,, will post any other new,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From Vivas1993 at aol.com Fri Oct 22 16:04:43 2004 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:04:43 EDT Subject: [SEL] Blackstone engine Message-ID: Hi Folks, I've been looking for a Blackstone engine for a good while, and a friend found this one for me. It's listed for sale on Ebay UK. # 2278612905, it's a 6hp. # 147817. Could anyone in the UK or OZ. give some info. on this type of engine, and if this seems to be a good deal or not. The engine is located in Carmarthen, Wales Does anyone in the UK live near this engine, and could help in getting it shipped to the US., if I were to win it ? Having it shipped in a container with other engines would probably be the cheapest & best way to get it to the US. Any & all advice would be appreciated ! Thanks, Dwight Vivas Petersburg, VA. From paul at semidiesel.com Fri Oct 22 17:06:36 2004 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:06:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm 15 miles away and would love it for the museum, out of our price range though. Be happy to help if I can. We have a local guy who ships vintage tractor parts to Canada just above the border if that helps. Cheers Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/04 From Vivas1993 at aol.com Fri Oct 22 18:18:24 2004 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:18:24 EDT Subject: [SEL] Blackstone engine Message-ID: <126.4e367126.2eab0b60@aol.com> Hi Paul, Thanks for the reply. It might be out of my price range too, but it's nice to dream ! I've wanted a Blackstone for a while, since seeing my buddies 8hp. He lived in the UK for several years, and brought it & a few more engines over here, when he moved back. I'm not positive I'll bid on it, but it helps to know there are folks that can possibly help me out, if I do. THANKS, Dwight From andyglines at hotmail.com Fri Oct 22 08:11:18 2004 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:11:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Madison Kipp Message-ID: This is a pressure lubricator like you would use to inject steam oil into the steam line on a traction engine. My Huber steamer has two MK lubrictors but older than yours without the sight glass on the side. It could be used for other applications where pressurized oiling is needed. It looks to be missing part of the ratcheting mechanism on the bacl side. It is also missing valve/check that comes out the bottom discharge. You can make up a suitable valve/check from common fittings if you want. > 6. Madison Kipp (Richard Strobel) >Message: 6 >Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 06:21:29 -0600 >From: "Richard Strobel" >Subject: [AT] Madison Kipp >To: "SEL email discussion list" , > "Antique tractor email discussion group" > >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Howdy gang; > Picked up what I believe is a Madison-Kipp lubricator (well at least >it's >got the right letters :-)). > >Were these a buyer option and is the bottom hole the outlet? Any special >tractor or engine that this went on? > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/203567864ercTxH > > >TIA >RickinMt. >http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > > _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Oct 23 03:35:17 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 04:35:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Herc dragsaw Message-ID: Howdy all; Here's an album showing my dragsaw. 1 3/4 hp. @ 600 rpm. Lots of red evidence, wonder if it could be an Economy. http://community.webshots.com/album/204171586dXMcJZ later, RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Oct 23 04:11:18 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 11:11:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine news Message-ID: <102320041111.6413.5e2b@mchsi.com> Hi Bill, Is this the same bridge that Paul Maples orginally discovered? If not, can you atleast take a pic of it from a distance so we can know what your up against. thanks, Curt Andree > after about a hundred attempts to contact the "man in charge" of the engine > removal, finally talked to him today,,,,, i was afraid they had already removed > the engine without letting me know, but no action has been taken,,, he was very > receptive to my coming down and taking pictures of it still on the bridge, and > of the removal,,,, it really eased my mind about that, as its been 2 weeks since > i was told they were going to remove it,,,, not making a lot of progress, but at > least not going backwards,,, will post any other new,, > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bboyce at swat.coop Sat Oct 23 06:00:19 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 08:00:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine news References: <102320041111.6413.5e2b@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <000701c4b900$406b9f30$6401a8c0@BillyBob> curt,,, no, not the same bridge,, the one paul found is in arkansas, this one is in shreveport ,,, i;ll post pictures as soon as i can get some,, bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 6:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] bridge engine news > Hi Bill, > Is this the same bridge that Paul Maples orginally discovered? If not, can > you atleast take a pic of it from a distance so we can know what your up > against. > thanks, > Curt Andree > > after about a hundred attempts to contact the "man in charge" of the engine > > removal, finally talked to him today,,,,, i was afraid they had already removed > > the engine without letting me know, but no action has been taken,,, he was very > > receptive to my coming down and taking pictures of it still on the bridge, and > > of the removal,,,, it really eased my mind about that, as its been 2 weeks since > > i was told they were going to remove it,,,, not making a lot of progress, but at > > least not going backwards,,, will post any other new,, > > bill boyce > > lost prairie, arkansas > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Oct 23 12:15:01 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:15:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone engine In-Reply-To: <126.4e367126.2eab0b60@aol.com> Message-ID: <200410231915.i9NJF57g082480@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I took a look at it but don't understand the symbol for the currency. What is it, British Pounds or something else? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Vivas1993 at aol.com Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 6:18 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Blackstone engine Hi Paul, Thanks for the reply. It might be out of my price range too, but it's nice to dream ! I've wanted a Blackstone for a while, since seeing my buddies 8hp. He lived in the UK for several years, and brought it & a few more engines over here, when he moved back. I'm not positive I'll bid on it, but it helps to know there are folks that can possibly help me out, if I do. THANKS, Dwight _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Oct 23 12:26:05 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 20:26:05 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone engine In-Reply-To: <200410231915.i9NJF57g082480@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <126.4e367126.2eab0b60@aol.com> <200410231915.i9NJF57g082480@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <91cln0dtsrit20copklh5ocbmtups7fs8d@4ax.com> On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:15:01 -0700, you wrote: >I took a look at it but don't understand the symbol for the currency. What >is it, British Pounds or something else? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan > >Jim O'Hagan Ah, the Colonials have such short memories.... :-)) Peter From shop at cccomm.net Sat Oct 23 15:44:30 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:44:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Waterloo Built Engine..Long Message-ID: <001401c4b951$de214b70$6501a8c0@Shop> Hi folks! I'm in a dilemma with this engine. There are updated photos at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31365971&vt=vp I need opinions as to what this engine actually is. It has a 4 1/2" bore and 6" stroke. The references referred to below are page numbers from the "Bible", or in other words Mr Wendels book. Page 37, upper right hand corner shows an Associated that could be it, the mixer looks right, but has a base. Page 145 upper left shows an Eastern built by Esco. The hopper is slightly different, but it was built by Associated. Page 199 in the center shows a Galloway, same hopper, bore & stroke and head with the same pushrod mount, but with a bipolar magneto. Page 299 upper right shows a Sandow engine. It was built in Waterloo and has a similarity to the Associated and Galloway, but the hopper doesn't overhang above the head. Same with the Power King engines show below on the same page. Page 315 upper left shows a Monmoth engine probably built by Galloway, but has a short hopper and no mixer assembly that I can see. Page 465 upper left shows a Sheldon engine, built by McManus and is a Waterloo built engine. The head is thinner and the hopper is short. Page 471 lower left shows a Faultless, built by Waterloo, but again with a short hopper and thinner head and maybe a different hopper or as shown with a lid. Page 534 shows Waterloo engines and I cannot find one with a similar hopper, so that's probably out. I'm getting ready to paint and decal this thing, but I would sure like to put the correct stuff on it. As you can see, I'm kinda confused but I think it's a Galloway. I read somewhere in CH's book that the magnetos were optional back then. So what are the opinions out there? Thanks in advance Dave From jhcullom at adelphia.net Sat Oct 23 16:15:47 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:15:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Waterloo Built Engine..Long References: <001401c4b951$de214b70$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <005901c4b956$3b131990$6401a8c0@office> Hi Dave, I vote for a Galloway. Look at these 2 pics I have on my site.... http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/jpgs/3hpA.jpg http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/jpgs/3hpB.jpg Hope this helps, John From jhcullom at adelphia.net Sat Oct 23 16:17:14 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:17:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Auction results Message-ID: <006101c4b956$6efa25f0$6401a8c0@office> Hi folks, Went to a local auction today here in Westminster. I would've needed to get a 2nd mortgage on my house to be playing in the same league as the buyers there. Aermotor 8 cycle, original - $1200 Foos 11hp, restored - $17,000 New Holland 3hp (low serial #), restored - $14,000 New Holland 4hp, high base, original - $4,400 New Holland 5hp, original, on trucks - $5,500 New Holland 1 1/2hp single flywheel, restored, on cart - $6,000 New Holland 2hp, restored, on cart - $5,400 Titan 2hp upright, restored on cart - $4,100 Titan 6hp, restored, on trucks - $6,000 Mogul 1hp, restored on cart - $1,600 International "M", 1 1/2hp original, on cart - $950 Middletown 1 1/2hp "Woodpecker", original on cart - $2,300 Sattley 3hp, original, on cart - $1,200 New Idea 1 1/2 - 2 1/2hp "Vari Speed", restored, on cart - $1,400 and....... John Deere 1 1/2hp, original - $3,300 yes, that's correct, $3,300 Here's some pics......... http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos1.jpg http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos2.jpg http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos3.jpg http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/IHm.jpg http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/Sattley.jpg http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/newholland5hp.jpg http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/newholland4hp.jpg http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/Titanupright.jpg http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/titan6hp.jpg Just behind the Sattley, you can see the Gold plated Deere............ John Cullom Westminster, Md. From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 23 16:33:21 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 18:33:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Waterloo Built Engine..Long References: <001401c4b951$de214b70$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <001e01c4b958$af2a1d90$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> OK, One more time for those that have been day dreaming. ;) http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm The Ignitor is the very best way to ID an engine regardless of what the tag or "Bubba the Maytag" guy says. In this case, these are the pertinent urls 1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-gal-late.JPG 2. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-waterloo.jpg You will note that it ain't even close. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus From frank at lbpinc.com Sat Oct 23 19:09:14 2004 From: frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:09:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It runs (Tractor OT) In-Reply-To: <005901c4b956$3b131990$6401a8c0@office> References: <001401c4b951$de214b70$6501a8c0@Shop> <005901c4b956$3b131990$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20041023220817.033cc268@MAIL1.THEBOOK.COM> I helped a friend bring a Farmall cub back to life today. It had been stuck. A head bolt broke. All the usually stuff but we freed it up. put it back together, and after towing it to get all the oil out and seat the valves IT RAN It settled down and idles like a fine watch. Stuck Head off, see pistons two weeks of oil and tap Pistons move drill out head bolt Clean clean clean put on head tow listen to music IT never get's old Frank -------------------------------------------------------------+ HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W 77.5164| Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sat Oct 23 19:28:06 2004 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:28:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Herc dragsaw In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041023212421.0212f940@mail.herculesengines.com> Rick Nice looking outfit. It is definitely an Economy log saw. We have one just like it but slightly older using a Webster "new style" magneto. Here is some info I have on Hercules build log saws. There are also some close up pictures of the clutch parts you are missing. Your mixer is teh special "log saw mixer" used to keep fuel from free flowing through the mixer with the engine is tilted up on a big log. http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Log%20Saw/Default.htm Keith At 05:35 AM 10/23/2004, you wrote: >Howdy all; > Here's an album showing my dragsaw. 1 3/4 hp. @ 600 rpm. Lots of red >evidence, wonder if it could be an Economy. > >http://community.webshots.com/album/204171586dXMcJZ > >later, >RickinMt. >http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Oct 23 20:24:27 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:24:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gib key 101 Message-ID: <001701c4b978$f888de70$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Got the first one drilled out today. Key is out and flywheel #1 is off. Several beers and enjoyed some fresh cut up venison with the neighbor. They cut their own and can't wait for the elk. Pictures of the gib key are up for a while at: http://frapa.us/Gib/Gib/Gib.html Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Oct 23 20:32:05 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 23:32:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Waterloo Built Engine..Long In-Reply-To: <001e01c4b958$af2a1d90$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <001401c4b951$de214b70$6501a8c0@Shop> <001e01c4b958$af2a1d90$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <417B2235.4000501@scrtc.com> Ted, I went to to your ignitor page and noticed that the Perkins Upright sideshaft and the Weber sideshaft were in black type and would not connect to a photo. Do you need these to add to your data base? I could send you the ignitors off my engines and you could catalog them and ship them back. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky Ted Brookover wrote: > OK, One more time for those that have been day dreaming. ;) > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > The Ignitor is the very best way to ID an engine regardless of what > the tag or "Bubba the Maytag" guy says. > > In this case, these are the pertinent urls > > 1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-gal-late.JPG > 2. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-waterloo.jpg > > You will note that it ain't even close. > > > Ted Brookover > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > 816-763-3142 > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 24 00:18:58 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 02:18:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Waterloo Built Engine..Long References: <001401c4b951$de214b70$6501a8c0@Shop><001e01c4b958$af2a1d90$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <417B2235.4000501@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <003101c4b999$bae7ba20$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Hi Tommy, yes no link means I either don't have a photo or have not gotten around to up dating the site. I would preffer just a scan of a photo, no since in needlessly risking a valuable piece. I am still stuck in this Wheel Chair and cannot even get to the shop, I guess if Kerry wins I will be walking the next day. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Waterloo Built Engine..Long > Ted, > > I went to to your ignitor page and noticed that the Perkins Upright > sideshaft and the Weber sideshaft were in black type and would not connect > to a photo. Do you need these to add to your data base? I could send you > the ignitors off my engines and you could catalog them and ship them back. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, Ky > > > > Ted Brookover wrote: > >> OK, One more time for those that have been day dreaming. ;) >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm >> >> The Ignitor is the very best way to ID an engine regardless of what the >> tag or "Bubba the Maytag" guy says. >> >> In this case, these are the pertinent urls >> >> 1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-gal-late.JPG >> 2. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-waterloo.jpg >> >> You will note that it ain't even close. >> >> >> Ted Brookover >> 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. >> Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 >> 816-763-3142 >> ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ >> Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm >> >> This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Sun Oct 24 00:23:08 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 02:23:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Waterloo Built Engine..Long References: <001401c4b951$de214b70$6501a8c0@Shop><001e01c4b958$af2a1d90$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo><417B2235.4000501@scrtc.com> <003101c4b999$bae7ba20$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <004601c4b99a$53530b70$6f83fb40@gary> Hi Ted, It's time to go to bed. Goodnight, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Brookover" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 2:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Waterloo Built Engine..Long > Hi Tommy, yes no link means I either don't have a photo or have not gotten > around to up dating the site. > > I would preffer just a scan of a photo, no since in needlessly risking a > valuable piece. > > I am still stuck in this Wheel Chair and cannot even get to the shop, I > guess if Kerry wins I will be walking the next day. > > Ted Brookover > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > 816-763-3142 > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 10:32 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Waterloo Built Engine..Long > > > > Ted, > > > > I went to to your ignitor page and noticed that the Perkins Upright > > sideshaft and the Weber sideshaft were in black type and would not connect > > to a photo. Do you need these to add to your data base? I could send you > > the ignitors off my engines and you could catalog them and ship them back. > > > > Tommy Turner > > Magnolia, Ky > > > > > > > > Ted Brookover wrote: > > > >> OK, One more time for those that have been day dreaming. ;) > >> > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > >> > >> The Ignitor is the very best way to ID an engine regardless of what the > >> tag or "Bubba the Maytag" guy says. > >> > >> In this case, these are the pertinent urls > >> > >> 1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-gal-late.JPG > >> 2. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-waterloo.jpg > >> > >> You will note that it ain't even close. > >> > >> > >> Ted Brookover > >> 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > >> Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > >> 816-763-3142 > >> ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > >> Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > >> > >> This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Oct 24 02:53:57 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 03:53:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Herc dragsaw References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041023212421.0212f940@mail.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: Thank you Keith!! Man am I a wooosie. The tongue weigh on this baby is terrific and that's without a blade. Well I've bookmarked the site and will come back to it later, Again thanks...I was wondering about that strange lookin' mixer. Take Care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Herc dragsaw > > Rick > Nice looking outfit. It is definitely an Economy log saw. We have one > just like it but slightly older using a Webster "new style" magneto. Here > is some info I have on Hercules build log saws. There are also some close > up pictures of the clutch parts you are missing. Your mixer is teh > special > "log saw mixer" used to keep fuel from free flowing through the mixer with > the engine is tilted up on a big log. > http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Log%20Saw/Default.htm > Keith > > At 05:35 AM 10/23/2004, you wrote: > >Howdy all; > > Here's an album showing my dragsaw. 1 3/4 hp. @ 600 rpm. Lots of red > >evidence, wonder if it could be an Economy. > > > >http://community.webshots.com/album/204171586dXMcJZ > > > >later, > >RickinMt. > >http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Oct 24 03:15:25 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 04:15:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gib key 101 References: <001701c4b978$f888de70$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: Good one Jeff. We just did a 5/8 Gib. Drilled then got out the gas axe. I was impressed how un-stuck the pulley was once we got the key out. later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 9:24 PM Subject: [SEL] Gib key 101 Hello all, Got the first one drilled out today. Key is out and flywheel #1 is off. Several beers and enjoyed some fresh cut up venison with the neighbor. They cut their own and can't wait for the elk. Pictures of the gib key are up for a while at: http://frapa.us/Gib/Gib/Gib.html Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Oct 24 05:54:00 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:54:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine news Message-ID: <102420041254.27164.47a2@mchsi.com> Ok Bill, thanks for clearing up which bridge. Thought maybe you took over the challange my Old Arky Buddy Paul started and was going to give him heck for giving up so early. Looking forward to the pics. Curt Andree > curt,,, > no, not the same bridge,, the one paul found is in arkansas, this one is in > shreveport ,,, i;ll post pictures as soon as i can get some,, > bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 6:11 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] bridge engine news > > > > Hi Bill, > > Is this the same bridge that Paul Maples orginally discovered? If not, > can > > you atleast take a pic of it from a distance so we can know what your up > > against. > > thanks, > > Curt Andree > > > after about a hundred attempts to contact the "man in charge" of the > engine > > > removal, finally talked to him today,,,,, i was afraid they had already > removed > > > the engine without letting me know, but no action has been taken,,, he > was very > > > receptive to my coming down and taking pictures of it still on the > bridge, and > > > of the removal,,,, it really eased my mind about that, as its been 2 > weeks since > > > i was told they were going to remove it,,,, not making a lot of > progress, but at > > > least not going backwards,,, will post any other new,, > > > bill boyce > > > lost prairie, arkansas > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Oct 24 06:44:03 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:44:03 EDT Subject: [SEL] Gib key 101 Message-ID: <15.3604a24a.2ead0ba3@aol.com> In a message dated 10/23/2004 11:18:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: << Pictures of the gib key are up for a while >> Jeff, Nice work and photos of the gib key removal! Some I believe have used a piece of pipe as the guide clamping it to the keyway which makes it sort of self centering. Of course, your method is more accurate. Great day at Ferrum College Blue Ridge Folklife Festival yesterday with the old engines and junk despite cloudy, damp, cool weather. Ken and Connie Christison showed up shortly after lunch and had a nice visit. Ken of course was very busy with the camera taking pictures of every mill and grinder he could locate. Last show of the season and time to put all the toys away and let the beagles out to run for the next few months. Speaking of which is a reminder to all to check for water removal from the engines before freezing weather. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Oct 24 07:12:45 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 08:12:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Auction results References: <006101c4b956$6efa25f0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: Ouch John..keep them people on that side of the big river, ok? Whew RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "Atis Engine List" Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 5:17 PM Subject: [SEL] Auction results > Hi folks, > Went to a local auction today here in Westminster. I would've needed > to > get a 2nd mortgage on my house to be playing in the same league as the > buyers there. > Aermotor 8 cycle, original - $1200 > Foos 11hp, restored - $17,000 > New Holland 3hp (low serial #), restored - $14,000 > New Holland 4hp, high base, original - $4,400 > New Holland 5hp, original, on trucks - $5,500 > New Holland 1 1/2hp single flywheel, restored, on cart - $6,000 > New Holland 2hp, restored, on cart - $5,400 > Titan 2hp upright, restored on cart - $4,100 > Titan 6hp, restored, on trucks - $6,000 > Mogul 1hp, restored on cart - $1,600 > International "M", 1 1/2hp original, on cart - $950 > Middletown 1 1/2hp "Woodpecker", original on cart - $2,300 > Sattley 3hp, original, on cart - $1,200 > New Idea 1 1/2 - 2 1/2hp "Vari Speed", restored, on cart - $1,400 > > and....... > > John Deere 1 1/2hp, original - $3,300 > > yes, that's correct, $3,300 > > Here's some pics......... > > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos1.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos2.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos3.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/IHm.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/Sattley.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/newholland5hp.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/newholland4hp.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/Titanupright.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/titan6hp.jpg > > Just behind the Sattley, you can see the Gold plated Deere............ > > > John Cullom > Westminster, Md. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From skipl at montana.com Sun Oct 24 08:43:19 2004 From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:43:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Waterloo Built Engine..Long References: <001401c4b951$de214b70$6501a8c0@Shop> <001e01c4b958$af2a1d90$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <417B2235.4000501@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <417BCD97.53BF5FEA@montana.com> tommy, i sent you pictures of the 3 bolt lauson ignitor several weeks ago. did they come through? figured you were out of town or something. skip Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Ted, > > I went to to your ignitor page and noticed that the Perkins Upright > sideshaft and the Weber sideshaft were in black type and would not > connect to a photo. Do you need these to add to your data base? I > could send you the ignitors off my engines and you could catalog them > and ship them back. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, Ky > > Ted Brookover wrote: > > > OK, One more time for those that have been day dreaming. ;) > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > > > The Ignitor is the very best way to ID an engine regardless of what > > the tag or "Bubba the Maytag" guy says. > > > > In this case, these are the pertinent urls > > > > 1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-gal-late.JPG > > 2. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-waterloo.jpg > > > > You will note that it ain't even close. > > > > > > Ted Brookover > > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > > 816-763-3142 > > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > > Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > > > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jeffchattin at msn.com Sun Oct 24 10:15:20 2004 From: jeffchattin at msn.com (jeff chattin) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:15:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Auction results References: <006101c4b956$6efa25f0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: DOES ANYONE KNOW WHO BOUGHT THE FOOS? I am working on an 11 hp portable and would like to get some Measurements Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Strobel To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Auction results Ouch John..keep them people on that side of the big river, ok? Whew RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" > To: "Atis Engine List" > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 5:17 PM Subject: [SEL] Auction results > Hi folks, > Went to a local auction today here in Westminster. I would've needed > to > get a 2nd mortgage on my house to be playing in the same league as the > buyers there. > Aermotor 8 cycle, original - $1200 > Foos 11hp, restored - $17,000 > New Holland 3hp (low serial #), restored - $14,000 > New Holland 4hp, high base, original - $4,400 > New Holland 5hp, original, on trucks - $5,500 > New Holland 1 1/2hp single flywheel, restored, on cart - $6,000 > New Holland 2hp, restored, on cart - $5,400 > Titan 2hp upright, restored on cart - $4,100 > Titan 6hp, restored, on trucks - $6,000 > Mogul 1hp, restored on cart - $1,600 > International "M", 1 1/2hp original, on cart - $950 > Middletown 1 1/2hp "Woodpecker", original on cart - $2,300 > Sattley 3hp, original, on cart - $1,200 > New Idea 1 1/2 - 2 1/2hp "Vari Speed", restored, on cart - $1,400 > > and....... > > John Deere 1 1/2hp, original - $3,300 > > yes, that's correct, $3,300 > > Here's some pics......... > > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos1.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos2.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos3.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/IHm.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/Sattley.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/newholland5hp.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/newholland4hp.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/Titanupright.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/titan6hp.jpg > > Just behind the Sattley, you can see the Gold plated Deere............ > > > John Cullom > Westminster, Md. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alanb2 at webtv.net Sun Oct 24 11:43:24 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 14:43:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Herc dragsaw In-Reply-To: "Richard Strobel" 's message of Sun, 24 Oct 2004 03:53:57 -0600 Message-ID: <16555-417BF7CC-491@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net> Hi Folks, So,,, What are the handles supposed to be like? http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Log%20Saw/Images/DSC00002.jpg Looks good, but is it original? I need to make a new set of handles for the one I have. Mine are rotted off and long gone on that end. Thanks Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Oct 24 16:42:07 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:42:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Waterloo Built Engine..Long In-Reply-To: <417BCD97.53BF5FEA@montana.com> References: <001401c4b951$de214b70$6501a8c0@Shop> <001e01c4b958$af2a1d90$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <417B2235.4000501@scrtc.com> <417BCD97.53BF5FEA@montana.com> Message-ID: <417C3DCF.8070705@scrtc.com> Skip, I didn't realize that I had gotten it but went back and checked and I did. My mother has been in the hospital for the last couple of weeks in serious condition and I've just been "hit and missing" on the emails. My computer will automatically grab them when they come in and some were skipped over. I went back and found it. It came in to me on the 9th which may have been the day (or possibly the day after) my mother went in the hospital. She's 82 and in declining health. The ignitor looks pretty good in the photo. As long as it hasn't been broken and welded, I'll take it. I have your address here somewhere but if you'll send it to me I won't have to dig it out. Thanks. My shipping address is: Tommy Turner LaRue County Courthouse 209 W. High St. Hodgenville, KY 42748 skip landis wrote: >tommy, i sent you pictures of the 3 bolt lauson ignitor several weeks ago. >did they come through? figured you were out of town or something. skip > >Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > >>Ted, >> >> I went to to your ignitor page and noticed that the Perkins Upright >>sideshaft and the Weber sideshaft were in black type and would not >>connect to a photo. Do you need these to add to your data base? I >>could send you the ignitors off my engines and you could catalog them >>and ship them back. >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, Ky >> >>Ted Brookover wrote: >> >> >> >>>OK, One more time for those that have been day dreaming. ;) >>> >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm >>> >>>The Ignitor is the very best way to ID an engine regardless of what >>>the tag or "Bubba the Maytag" guy says. >>> >>>In this case, these are the pertinent urls >>> >>>1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-gal-late.JPG >>>2. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-waterloo.jpg >>> >>>You will note that it ain't even close. >>> >>> >>>Ted Brookover >>>4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. >>>Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 >>>816-763-3142 >>>ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ >>>Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm >>> >>>This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Oct 24 16:53:34 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:53:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Waterloo Built Engine..Long In-Reply-To: <417C3DCF.8070705@scrtc.com> References: <001401c4b951$de214b70$6501a8c0@Shop> <001e01c4b958$af2a1d90$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <417B2235.4000501@scrtc.com> <417BCD97.53BF5FEA@montana.com> <417C3DCF.8070705@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <417C407E.5010009@scrtc.com> I apologize for this going to the list as it should have went directly to Skip. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Skip, > > I didn't realize that I had gotten it but went back and checked and > I did. My mother has been in the hospital for the last couple of > weeks in serious condition and I've just been "hit and missing" on the > emails. My computer will automatically grab them when they come in > and some were skipped over. I went back and found it. It came in to > me on the 9th which may have been the day (or possibly the day after) > my mother went in the hospital. She's 82 and in declining health. > The ignitor looks pretty good in the photo. As long as it hasn't been > broken and welded, I'll take it. I have your address here somewhere > but if you'll send it to me I won't have to dig it out. Thanks. My > shipping address is: > > Tommy Turner > LaRue County Courthouse > 209 W. High St. > Hodgenville, KY 42748 > > > > skip landis wrote: > >> tommy, i sent you pictures of the 3 bolt lauson ignitor several weeks >> ago. >> did they come through? figured you were out of town or something. skip >> >> Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> >> >> >>> Ted, >>> >>> I went to to your ignitor page and noticed that the Perkins Upright >>> sideshaft and the Weber sideshaft were in black type and would not >>> connect to a photo. Do you need these to add to your data base? I >>> could send you the ignitors off my engines and you could catalog them >>> and ship them back. >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, Ky >>> >>> Ted Brookover wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> OK, One more time for those that have been day dreaming. ;) >>>> >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm >>>> >>>> The Ignitor is the very best way to ID an engine regardless of what >>>> the tag or "Bubba the Maytag" guy says. >>>> >>>> In this case, these are the pertinent urls >>>> >>>> 1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-gal-late.JPG >>>> 2. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-waterloo.jpg >>>> >>>> You will note that it ain't even close. >>>> >>>> >>>> Ted Brookover >>>> 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. >>>> Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 >>>> 816-763-3142 >>>> ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ >>>> Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm >>>> >>>> This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Oct 24 17:42:20 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:42:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Auction results References: <006101c4b956$6efa25f0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <000c01c4ba2b$7d4c02b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> John, Seems there are those buying engines as an investment. I can't imagine any engine person paying these prices, and near as I can tell the Sattley is not a Sattley. These are the prices that kept me away from the hobby several years ago. Hope this is not a trend for investors with the stock market where it is. Not at all good for the hobby. Thanks for posting. Jeff Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "Atis Engine List" Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 5:17 PM Subject: [SEL] Auction results > Hi folks, > Went to a local auction today here in Westminster. I would've needed to > get a 2nd mortgage on my house to be playing in the same league as the > buyers there. > Aermotor 8 cycle, original - $1200 > Foos 11hp, restored - $17,000 > New Holland 3hp (low serial #), restored - $14,000 > New Holland 4hp, high base, original - $4,400 > New Holland 5hp, original, on trucks - $5,500 > New Holland 1 1/2hp single flywheel, restored, on cart - $6,000 > New Holland 2hp, restored, on cart - $5,400 > Titan 2hp upright, restored on cart - $4,100 > Titan 6hp, restored, on trucks - $6,000 > Mogul 1hp, restored on cart - $1,600 > International "M", 1 1/2hp original, on cart - $950 > Middletown 1 1/2hp "Woodpecker", original on cart - $2,300 > Sattley 3hp, original, on cart - $1,200 > New Idea 1 1/2 - 2 1/2hp "Vari Speed", restored, on cart - $1,400 > > and....... > > John Deere 1 1/2hp, original - $3,300 > > yes, that's correct, $3,300 > > Here's some pics......... > > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos1.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos2.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos3.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/IHm.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/Sattley.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/newholland5hp.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/newholland4hp.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/Titanupright.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/titan6hp.jpg > > Just behind the Sattley, you can see the Gold plated Deere............ > > > John Cullom > Westminster, Md. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jhcullom at adelphia.net Sun Oct 24 18:09:54 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:09:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Auction results References: <006101c4b956$6efa25f0$6401a8c0@office> <000c01c4ba2b$7d4c02b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <005301c4ba2f$5651d7d0$6401a8c0@office> Hi Jeff, I believe the biggest reason some of the engines went for so much was the fact that so many of the buyers knew the gentleman that owned them before he died. Not only did he do superb jobs on restorations & getting engines running, but he went the extra mile for anyone (myself included), new to the hobby, or if they just needed a hand with an engine problem. He knew alot about mags & was the one to go to around here for help. So, we knew that all of those engines at the sale were in top knotch condition. Also, the Sattley was in original condition with a Sattley decal on it. Don't you think it looks like one? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" > Seems there are those buying engines as an investment. I can't imagine any > engine person paying these prices, and near as I can tell the Sattley is > not a Sattley. These are the prices that kept me away from the hobby > several years ago. Hope this is not a trend for investors with the stock > market where it is. Not at all good for the hobby. Thanks for posting. From skipl at montana.com Sun Oct 24 19:35:58 2004 From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:35:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Waterloo Built Engine..Long References: <001401c4b951$de214b70$6501a8c0@Shop> <001e01c4b958$af2a1d90$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <417B2235.4000501@scrtc.com> <417BCD97.53BF5FEA@montana.com> <417C3DCF.8070705@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <417C668D.C50ADB9B@montana.com> tommy, please email me off list. thanks, skip Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Skip, > > I didn't realize that I had gotten it but went back and checked and > I did. My mother has been in the hospital for the last couple of weeks > in serious condition and I've just been "hit and missing" on the > emails. My computer will automatically grab them when they come in and > some were skipped over. I went back and found it. It came in to me on > the 9th which may have been the day (or possibly the day after) my > mother went in the hospital. She's 82 and in declining health. The > ignitor looks pretty good in the photo. As long as it hasn't been > broken and welded, I'll take it. I have your address here somewhere but > if you'll send it to me I won't have to dig it out. Thanks. My > shipping address is: > > Tommy Turner > LaRue County Courthouse > 209 W. High St. > Hodgenville, KY 42748 > > skip landis wrote: > > >tommy, i sent you pictures of the 3 bolt lauson ignitor several weeks ago. > >did they come through? figured you were out of town or something. skip > > > >Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > > > > > >>Ted, > >> > >> I went to to your ignitor page and noticed that the Perkins Upright > >>sideshaft and the Weber sideshaft were in black type and would not > >>connect to a photo. Do you need these to add to your data base? I > >>could send you the ignitors off my engines and you could catalog them > >>and ship them back. > >> > >>Tommy Turner > >>Magnolia, Ky > >> > >>Ted Brookover wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>OK, One more time for those that have been day dreaming. ;) > >>> > >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > >>> > >>>The Ignitor is the very best way to ID an engine regardless of what > >>>the tag or "Bubba the Maytag" guy says. > >>> > >>>In this case, these are the pertinent urls > >>> > >>>1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-gal-late.JPG > >>>2. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-waterloo.jpg > >>> > >>>You will note that it ain't even close. > >>> > >>> > >>>Ted Brookover > >>>4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > >>>Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > >>>816-763-3142 > >>>ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > >>>Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > >>> > >>>This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>SEL mailing list > >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Oct 24 19:55:41 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:55:41 EDT Subject: [SEL] Maytag twin Runs Message-ID: Hi List I acquired another Maytag twin engine (with a cast iron gas tank) this weekend. The fuel tank was removed and cleaned. The fuel feed tube, intake screen, and check valve were cleaned or repaired. Apparently, this engine had not been ran in a long time. I was just happy to get an engine with all the parts. After the cleaning and repairing was completed, it started with the second kick and the Maytag runs now. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sun Oct 24 20:25:07 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:25:07 EDT Subject: [SEL] Maytag twin Runs Message-ID: <1e5.2d62aa3b.2eadcc13@aol.com> In a message dated 10/24/2004 11:15:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, FRM8198 at aol.com writes: Hi List I acquired another Maytag twin engine (with a cast iron gas tank) After the cleaning and repairing was completed, it started with the second kick and the Maytag runs now. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California Hi Fancis, VERY GOOD! I am always pleased to hear of another Maytag coming to life. Regards, Ron Carroll Maytag Underground Railroad, Eastern Terminal Nokesville, Virginia From froberts at dodo.com.au Mon Oct 25 04:05:22 2004 From: froberts at dodo.com.au (Fred Roberts) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:05:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Lombardini & Rosebery References: <1e5.2d62aa3b.2eadcc13@aol.com> Message-ID: <00a401c4ba82$8a773700$d184dccb@froberts> Hello to all I am at present restoring 2 engines and am wondering if anyone out there can help with year of manufacture and any other info that may be of interest. First one is a Lombardini air cooled 4 stroke petrol No.LA 490 k. Second one a Rosebery 4HP hopper cooled No.C49898.. Regards Fred From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Oct 25 04:13:52 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:13:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary Message-ID: <200410251113.i9PBDgjn097593@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Well I am finally home after covering some 2400km since last Thursday. The Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary Rally was a great success with an estimated 600 engines of which I would guess about 200 were Austral Oil Engines. (For our non-Aussie list members that means 200 side-shaft engines!). I arrived on Friday and set my Austral up next to Brock's as we were the only representatives of the Sydney and Canberra Clubs. From where my engine stood I could see the remaining structure of the factory where my engine was built and clearly on the wall could be read "Ronaldson Bros". (The "& Tippett part of the building is gone). Friday night we headed out to Lyndsay's shed and had a look at his engines and then visited another local collectors shed to look at his engines. I think we finally got to bed about 1am. Saturday was a cold miserable day and it was not helped by the only real glitch in the rally organising. Quite a number of engines (mine and Brock's included) did not get any water until well after lunchtime. The club officials were quite unapologetic about this lapse of organization. Once we had water the fun part was keeping the oil engines running as a cool breeze and drizzly rain does not make for good weather to keep them running. The Saturday night dinner was good and was held amongst an amazing collection of R-T memorabilia. There were factory ledgers, photos, casting patterns, parts books, catalogues, etc. Every time you looked around you found something else amazing too look at. The weather was a lot better on Sunday and I ended up with sore feet from walking around trying too see all the engines. There were some very nice rare examples including the early vertical and horizontal engines, all manner of Australs, Type D, G, N, Diesels, and even a twin cylinder Type N! The 3pm shutdown came along amazingly fast and now the fun part was getting 600 engines out of the place when, of course, everyone wanted to leave at once. Where they failed with the water they succeeded with organising the departure. Two cranes were working there way down the compounds as well as club members directing the vehicles loading the engines onto trailers. We even loaded my engine with the crane which turned a 15 minute job into a 30 second one. It was a great weekend and I got to catch up with a lot of old (and new) engine friends. I took over 500 photos which I have to sort through but these three are pretty special. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240539.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240540.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240541.JPG They show my Austral in front of the factory where it was built for the first time since it was built in 1917 :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Oct 25 04:22:53 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:22:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Stringy Bark Festival - Rally Report Message-ID: <417CE20D.1030300@steamengine.com.au> On 23rd and 24th of October, the Stringy Bark festival was on in Knox at the Rowville Community Centre. This a small regional show with animals, rides, bazaar/fete stalls, food stalls and loads of engines. Saturday was damp (good thing I did not go - I was in Ballarat) but on the day of my attendance, Sunday, the sun was out and we had a great day for it. Emerald & District Vintage Machinery Group and MSTEC put on displays of stationary engine and steam engines. The food, while good and in great variety was disappointing in that they were charging closed-venue prices. $3.50 for a can of drink! For the most part the show was excellent and a nice relaxed rally for the respective clubs where a little fun could be had. I got the Ottawa running (finally) with help from club mates (thanks!). The weekend was marred when one of our older members was taken sick and went to hospital. The show organisers fell over themselves to be helpful. http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/stringy-bark-2004/index.html -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Oct 25 04:29:17 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:29:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary References: <200410251113.i9PBDgjn097593@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000e01c4ba85$dd25b870$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Interesting to see the "birth crib" of your engine Patrick. I'm courious to see the other pics with a 200 SS around. Will watch the screen :o) John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Well I am finally home after covering some 2400km since last Thursday. The > Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary Rally was a great success with an estimated 600 > engines of which I would guess about 200 were Austral Oil Engines. (For our > non-Aussie list members that means 200 side-shaft engines!). I arrived on > Friday and set my Austral up next to Brock's as we were the only > representatives of the Sydney and Canberra Clubs. From where my engine stood > I could see the remaining structure of the factory where my engine was built > and clearly on the wall could be read "Ronaldson Bros". (The "& Tippett part > of the building is gone). > Friday night we headed out to Lyndsay's shed and had a look at his engines > and then visited another local collectors shed to look at his engines. I > think we finally got to bed about 1am. > Saturday was a cold miserable day and it was not helped by the only real > glitch in the rally organising. Quite a number of engines (mine and Brock's > included) did not get any water until well after lunchtime. The club > officials were quite unapologetic about this lapse of organization. > Once we had water the fun part was keeping the oil engines running as a cool > breeze and drizzly rain does not make for good weather to keep them running. > The Saturday night dinner was good and was held amongst an amazing > collection of R-T memorabilia. There were factory ledgers, photos, casting > patterns, parts books, catalogues, etc. Every time you looked around you > found something else amazing too look at. > The weather was a lot better on Sunday and I ended up with sore feet from > walking around trying too see all the engines. There were some very nice > rare examples including the early vertical and horizontal engines, all > manner of Australs, Type D, G, N, Diesels, and even a twin cylinder Type N! > The 3pm shutdown came along amazingly fast and now the fun part was getting > 600 engines out of the place when, of course, everyone wanted to leave at > once. Where they failed with the water they succeeded with organising the > departure. Two cranes were working there way down the compounds as well as > club members directing the vehicles loading the engines onto trailers. We > even loaded my engine with the crane which turned a 15 minute job into a 30 > second one. > It was a great weekend and I got to catch up with a lot of old (and new) > engine friends. I took over 500 photos which I have to sort through but > these three are pretty special. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240539.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240540.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240541.JPG > > They show my Austral in front of the factory where it was built for the > first time since it was built in 1917 :) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brock at netspeed.com.au Mon Oct 25 04:40:18 2004 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:40:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary References: <200410251113.i9PBDgjn097593@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <009501c4ba87$685d1ae0$5f11fea9@merlin> G,day All It was awsome to see so many side shaft engines in one place it was a very good rally. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:13 PM Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary > Well I am finally home after covering some 2400km since last Thursday. The > Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary Rally was a great success with an estimated > 600 > engines of which I would guess about 200 were Austral Oil Engines. (For > our > non-Aussie list members that means 200 side-shaft engines!). I arrived on > Friday and set my Austral up next to Brock's as we were the only > representatives of the Sydney and Canberra Clubs. From where my engine > stood > I could see the remaining structure of the factory where my engine was > built > and clearly on the wall could be read "Ronaldson Bros". (The "& Tippett > part > of the building is gone). > Friday night we headed out to Lyndsay's shed and had a look at his engines > and then visited another local collectors shed to look at his engines. I > think we finally got to bed about 1am. > Saturday was a cold miserable day and it was not helped by the only real > glitch in the rally organising. Quite a number of engines (mine and > Brock's > included) did not get any water until well after lunchtime. The club > officials were quite unapologetic about this lapse of organization. > Once we had water the fun part was keeping the oil engines running as a > cool > breeze and drizzly rain does not make for good weather to keep them > running. > The Saturday night dinner was good and was held amongst an amazing > collection of R-T memorabilia. There were factory ledgers, photos, casting > patterns, parts books, catalogues, etc. Every time you looked around you > found something else amazing too look at. > The weather was a lot better on Sunday and I ended up with sore feet from > walking around trying too see all the engines. There were some very nice > rare examples including the early vertical and horizontal engines, all > manner of Australs, Type D, G, N, Diesels, and even a twin cylinder Type > N! > The 3pm shutdown came along amazingly fast and now the fun part was > getting > 600 engines out of the place when, of course, everyone wanted to leave at > once. Where they failed with the water they succeeded with organising the > departure. Two cranes were working there way down the compounds as well as > club members directing the vehicles loading the engines onto trailers. We > even loaded my engine with the crane which turned a 15 minute job into a > 30 > second one. > It was a great weekend and I got to catch up with a lot of old (and new) > engine friends. I took over 500 photos which I have to sort through but > these three are pretty special. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240539.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240540.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240541.JPG > > They show my Austral in front of the factory where it was built for the > first time since it was built in 1917 :) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Oct 25 04:56:51 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:56:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary - panoramic photo of entire rally ground In-Reply-To: <200410251113.i9PBDgjn097593@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200410251113.i9PBDgjn097593@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <417CEA03.5070901@steamengine.com.au> Here is a Panoramic photo of the rally ground (be patient it is not exactly small!!) http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/rona-tip-2004/pics/panorama_w.jpg The web server which hosts my site is having some problems... keep trying! Paul Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > Well I am finally home after covering some 2400km since last Thursday. The > Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary Rally was a great success with an estimated 600 -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Mon Oct 25 05:53:21 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:53:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone engine References: <200410231915.i9NJF57g082480@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <07ba01c4ba91$9d47f720$0301a8c0@ALEC> Isnt a British Pound sorta like a 32 ounce beer or something served in a big mug or stein??? Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 > I took a look at it but don't understand the symbol for the currency. What > is it, British Pounds or something else? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Oct 25 05:57:18 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 06:57:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Maytag twin Runs References: Message-ID: Good for you Francis!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 8:55 PM Subject: [SEL] Maytag twin Runs > Hi List > I acquired another Maytag twin engine (with a cast iron gas tank) this > weekend. The fuel tank was removed and cleaned. The fuel feed tube, > intake screen, > and check valve were cleaned or repaired. Apparently, this engine had not > been ran in a long time. I was just happy to get an engine with all the > parts. > After the cleaning and repairing was completed, it started with the second > kick and the Maytag runs now. > > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, California > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Oct 25 06:07:47 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:07:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Maytag twin Runs now Maytag values References: <1e5.2d62aa3b.2eadcc13@aol.com> Message-ID: Ron, Francis, anyone. At the place where we got the dragsaw and 4hp Famous, he also has a Maytag twin (the outboard cover is missing on the kickstart) and a complete washing machine in very good shape including decals, flex exhaust pipe and round muffler. It does not have the meat grinder or butter churn attach. The engine is single cylinder with ~ 90 paint still there, and it's not stuck. Even the casters caster good. The wringler rollers are shot tho. Lookin' for a fair price to offer him if ya'll have any suggestions. He laughed at our offer of 150 rockets for both :-( but I would have laughed also. The only blue book we have is Ebay and of course we don't think that's the real world :-) Thanks much! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag twin Runs > In a message dated 10/24/2004 11:15:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > FRM8198 at aol.com writes: > Hi List > I acquired another Maytag twin engine (with a cast iron gas tank) > After the cleaning and repairing was completed, it started with the second > kick and the Maytag runs now. > > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, California > Hi Fancis, > VERY GOOD! I am always pleased to hear of another Maytag coming to life. > Regards, > Ron Carroll > Maytag Underground Railroad, Eastern Terminal > Nokesville, Virginia > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Mon Oct 25 06:34:25 2004 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:34:25 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: The British Pound In-Reply-To: <07ba01c4ba91$9d47f720$0301a8c0@ALEC> References: <200410231915.i9NJF57g082480@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <07ba01c4ba91$9d47f720$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: In message <07ba01c4ba91$9d47f720$0301a8c0 at ALEC>, Alec Stevens writes >Isnt a British Pound sorta like a 32 ounce beer or something served in a big >mug or stein??? > > >Alec J. Stevens >Investment Specialist >80 Leighton Road, Suite C >Falmouth, ME 04105 >(800)842-6669 >(207)797-5169 >(207)797-2819 These days, a British Pound is a small brass coin measuring 22.65mm dia. (0.8917") and 3.3mm thick (0.13"), weighing approximately 8g (1/4 oz.) It always has a representation of the head of Queen Elizabeth the Second on the obverse but the reverse can have one of several designs. These designs have included an oak tree to represent England, a thistle to represent Scotland and a dragon to represent Wales. The edge of the coin is milled and carries an engraved inscription, which can also vary. The first "pound coin" issued in 1983 with the Royal Arms reverse had the inscription DECUS ET TUTAMEN which is Latin and means "An ornament and a safeguard". The second "pound coin" issued in 1984 with the thistle reverse had the inscription NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSIT which is also Latin and loosely translates to "if you mess with me you'll get hurt" or "No one provokes me with impunity" (see http://www.24carat.co.uk/nemomeimpunelacessit.html for some pictures and alternative translation :-)) A British pound will buy you 1 dollar 84 cents US or 2 dollars 46 cents Australian according to http://www.xe.com/ucc/ just now. It will also buy you about a half pint of beer or four cigarettes in Britain. If you earn 2,000 pounds a month before tax, you are earning the sort of money a college graduate might expect in his first job at age 21 or 22. You will get to keep about three-quarters (or less) of that after taxes. Hope this is helpful :-) Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Oct 25 06:48:29 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:48:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary - panoramic photo of entire rally ground & now whole gallery In-Reply-To: <417CEA03.5070901@steamengine.com.au> References: <200410251113.i9PBDgjn097593@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <417CEA03.5070901@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <417D042D.2060407@steamengine.com.au> Seems the server is dead for a bit... if you cannot get it and want the photo - please mail me off list and I'll send it to you. The full gallery is now loaded at: http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/rona-tip-2004/ This link will not start working until the web server is restarted I've tried mailing Paul Evans about the site but he rejected my message :(... Paul Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > Here is a Panoramic photo of the rally ground (be patient it is not > exactly small!!) > http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/rona-tip-2004/pics/panorama_w.jpg > > > The web server which hosts my site is having some problems... keep trying! > > Paul > > Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >> Well I am finally home after covering some 2400km since last Thursday. >> The >> Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary Rally was a great success with an >> estimated 600 > > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Mon Oct 25 06:51:05 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:51:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: The British Pound References: <200410231915.i9NJF57g082480@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><07ba01c4ba91$9d47f720$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <086401c4ba99$af5d33a0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Now this is why I am on the list, Good info from high quality people and of course this "bent" is engine related, Thanks Peter for the very educational description of the "pound" Alec J. Stevens > writes > >Isnt a British Pound sorta like a 32 ounce beer or something served in a big > >mug or stein??? > > >> > These days, a British Pound is a small brass coin measuring 22.65mm dia. > (0.8917") and 3.3mm thick (0.13"), weighing approximately 8g (1/4 oz.) > It always has a representation of the head of Queen Elizabeth the Second > on the obverse but the reverse can have one of several designs. These > designs have included an oak tree to represent England, a thistle to > represent Scotland and a dragon to represent Wales. The edge of the > coin is milled and carries an engraved inscription, which can also vary. > The first "pound coin" issued in 1983 with the Royal Arms reverse had > the inscription DECUS ET TUTAMEN which is Latin and means "An ornament > and a safeguard". The second "pound coin" issued in 1984 with the > thistle reverse had the inscription NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSIT which is > also Latin and loosely translates to "if you mess with me you'll get > hurt" or "No one provokes me with impunity" (see > http://www.24carat.co.uk/nemomeimpunelacessit.html for some pictures and > alternative translation :-)) > > A British pound will buy you 1 dollar 84 cents US or 2 dollars 46 cents > Australian according to http://www.xe.com/ucc/ just now. It will also > buy you about a half pint of beer or four cigarettes in Britain. If you > earn 2,000 pounds a month before tax, you are earning the sort of money > a college graduate might expect in his first job at age 21 or 22. You > will get to keep about three-quarters (or less) of that after taxes. > > Hope this is helpful :-) > > Regards > > Pete > -- > Peter Scales > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From shop at cccomm.net Mon Oct 25 06:53:28 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 06:53:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A pair of 1915 Hercules Engines Message-ID: <006f01c4ba9a$03a8caa0$6501a8c0@Shop> Last summer during a work lull between crops I dug out an old engine that was sitting in a corner for years. It definitely was a project engine, that's why it sat so long. Stuck wasn't the description for it. I pulled the head, made plates to cover the cylinder and ignitor port, filled the cylinder with diesel oil and put 125 lbs of air pressure inside and stood it in a corner. A few weeks later the fuel hadn't seeped through the rings. So I decided it was going to come apart whether something breaks or not. I turned a 1/2" plate to match the bore, inverted a heavy duty gear puller to push, gave it the rosebud treatment and put a 1/2" impact on the puller. Nothing. Next came a large drift punch and sledge. It moved and I don't believe it didn't break something. Later in the Summer my neighbor bought the same engine at a swap meet. We have decided to make "twins". Mine was without the serial tag and his dates to be a 1915 model. He paid $300 for a complete rough but running engine and I have paid more than that just for the mag and trip mechanism. Mine is together and running and will be unassembled for paint when we decide what color. I'll update the photos as we progress. Bob's http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31460386&f= Mine http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31299772&f= Dave From adamcottrill at telstra.com Mon Oct 25 07:05:06 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:05:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronnie Rally "Tie Down Them There Engins!!" Message-ID: Hi Guys, it was great to see some of you at the Ronnie Rally on the weekend and almost as great (ok i lie) even better that we got our Austral there number 384 and going for the first time in 60 years at the Rally. Having finished it on Thursday afternoon. We took it up Friday and on Saturday fired up the primus for the very first time We had quite a few experts look over it for before we tried to start it and found the sideshaft was one turn out. The Flywheel completes one full revolution the sideshaft will turn twice and even though the timing marks on the flywheel and shideshaft match we had it timed for the wrong stroke it was sucking through the exhaust and blowing out through the carbie. So we undid the brasses and jacked up the flywheel so we could turn the sideshaft to the right stroke. And tried again and she went!... for about 50 seconds and stoped we found the cam on the fuel pump wasnt pushing down the pump handle quite enough to make it pump and naturally it was starving the engine. With this fixed we tried unsuccessfully for the rest of Saturday to get the thing going with no luck and Jeremy helped get the pulley of we so much trouble getting off vowed he would get it going the next morning. The next morning we met up again with Jeremy warmed her up and with two of us spinning the flywheels on half compression she started again and ran for about 15 minutes until we stopped it to fix a water leak. Since this was an early Austral they have no priming port and you need to make sure you suck a gut full of kero into them to get the first fire. It ran faultlessly for the rest of the day I had the oil pouring into it to make sure everything was lubricated the drip feed oiler was on one drop every 5 seconds to help everything bed back in after 8 years of restoration and 60 years of not running. That evening we had to wait for the crane to load the engine back into the trailer but some smart cookie parked in the compound entrance so the crane couldnt get in and we ended up being the second last engine out of 614 to be loaded as the crane missed our compound and went to the next. While waiting the crane suddenly took off flying out of the arena to the road apprently it could do up to 95kmh we reckon it was doing close to 80kmh following where officals on quad bikes and ATVs something was going on!! A semi that had left shortly before from the gounds had rounded the corner from the rally and the 4hp Austral decided it has such a good time it didnt want to go home quite so soon fell off the back of the truck and narrowly missed the main display window of a new car dealership and came to a great amount of greif and damage on the curve of the road. It seems the owners had tied on the rest of the engines but had forgot about the smaller 4hp and when rounding the corner it rolled off. Fortunately no one was hurt and no other damage apart of that to the engine was caused but it was a timely reminded to us about the damage these things can do to both them selves and possibly others if not tied down and we double checked our chains. Chantal got some photos of the engine and subsequent recovery operation we she gets them devloped I'll post them on the list. Thanks so much to everyone on this list and who I seen at the rally who helped in getting our Austral going for the first time in 60 years. Its really appreciated and there is no doubt we couldnt have done it with out you. Kind regards, Adam P.S I should also mention the original owners of the engine made the visit especially to the rally to see it. Mr MacDonalds smile was I think bigger than mine when he seen her going again. From curt at imc-group.com Mon Oct 25 07:52:13 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:52:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag twin Runs In-Reply-To: <1e5.2d62aa3b.2eadcc13@aol.com> References: <1e5.2d62aa3b.2eadcc13@aol.com> Message-ID: <417D131D.6090907@imc-group.com> Oh Ron, that's some pretty fancy foot work your doin' to disguise your ulterior motive! Your "Maytag Underground Railroad, Eastern Terminal" front for your "Maytag Eradication Initive" might go unnoticed by the unsuspecting. But those of us that have witnessed your unrelenting carnage of Fred's curse know well what you are up to. Keep up the good work buddy! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC >Hi Fancis, >VERY GOOD! I am always pleased to hear of another Maytag coming to life. >Regards, >Ron Carroll >Maytag Underground Railroad, Eastern Terminal >Nokesville, Virginia >_______________________________________________ > > > From George_Best at adp.com Mon Oct 25 07:52:39 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:52:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 6hp Stickney? Message-ID: How rare is the 6hp Stickney? The early one with the flat top crankcase. Any idea on how many are out there and how much they're worth? George From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Oct 25 08:24:17 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:24:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] 6hp Stickney? References: Message-ID: <000a01c4baa6$b1b5b6b0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Never seen one George, looked it up in the bible and my conclusion is they are rare. I think at least 2K per hp. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > How rare is the 6hp Stickney? The early one with the flat top > crankcase. > > Any idea on how many are out there and how much they're worth? > > George From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Mon Oct 25 11:37:21 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:37:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 6hp Stickney? References: Message-ID: <088b01c4bac1$ac0faf20$0301a8c0@ALEC> George, I know where there is a stunning 7hp and it could be had for 8k. I think its actually worth more but I didnt buy it and I believe that figure is reasonable based on the 3 large Sticks. that were at Portland, the one I am referring to was not at Portland. Good luck. The Judge probably has 3 or 4 of them , I dont know what he paid for them but some ol' wider woman from Ky probably let them go for 1000 or so to settle taxes in the Judges local jurisdiction,,,,,,,,, I think thats how he got his last KC engine, I could be wrong................................... Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:52 AM Subject: [SEL] 6hp Stickney? > How rare is the 6hp Stickney? The early one with the flat top > crankcase. > > Any idea on how many are out there and how much they're worth? > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Oct 25 11:59:36 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:59:36 +0000 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan Message-ID: Hi Everyone, On my 3hp John Deere the oil in the crankcase leaked into the fuel tank. I have it all torn apart and found the two little holes where the oil leaked from the crankcase down into the fuel tank. I have the holes welded up and the rest of the steel looks to be in really good shape. I am ready to put it all back together. I know I need to use some cork gasket to seal up the mating surfaces, but should I use permatex or some type of instant gasket stuff too? I only want to do this one time and don't want leaky gaskets. I'm sure there are a few John Deere owners out there that have done this before and I'm looking for a tried and true method for doing this. Thanks. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From George_Best at adp.com Mon Oct 25 14:16:16 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:16:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 6hp Stickney? Message-ID: Alec, The 6hp Stickney is nothing like the later Stickney's. Only made 1903-1905, so prices for them are a different ballpark. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Alec Stevens > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:37 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] 6hp Stickney? > > George, > I know where there is a stunning 7hp and it could be had for > 8k. I think its actually worth more but I didnt buy it and I > believe that figure is reasonable based on the 3 large > Sticks. that were at Portland, the one I am referring to was > not at Portland. > Good luck. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Oct 25 14:34:00 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:34:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <417D7148.6080005@scrtc.com> Luke, I would use a good quality silicone. It will seal it tight and once it dries all you have to do is peel off the silicone that "squeezed out". Permatex can be a mess and certain types of it aren't as oil/fuel resistant as you might need for an application like this. PS - I would use either a clear silicone or black. Don't use the orange, red or one of the other bright colors as if there is a little of the squeezings that you don't peel off they will stick out like a sore thumb. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > On my 3hp John Deere the oil in the crankcase leaked into the fuel tank. > I have it all torn apart and found the two little holes where the oil > leaked from the crankcase down into the fuel tank. I have the holes > welded up and the rest of the steel looks to be in really good shape. I > am ready to put it all back together. I know I need to use some cork > gasket to seal up the mating surfaces, but should I use permatex or some > type of instant gasket stuff too? I only want to do this one time and > don't want leaky gaskets. I'm sure there are a few John Deere owners > out there that have done this before and I'm looking for a tried and > true method for doing this. Thanks. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From mraasch at hickorytech.net Mon Oct 25 14:08:34 2004 From: mraasch at hickorytech.net (Marc Raasch) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:08:34 -0500 Subject: Fw: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan Message-ID: <000a01c4bad6$ca41e3e0$edff72d8@hickorytech.net> I use a light coat of permatex on my gaskets for jd engines # 2 non hardening permatex is what i use. I don't like silacone mraasch at hickorytech.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:59 PM Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan > Hi Everyone, > > On my 3hp John Deere the oil in the crankcase leaked into the fuel tank. I > have it all torn apart and found the two little holes where the oil leaked > from the crankcase down into the fuel tank. I have the holes welded up and > the rest of the steel looks to be in really good shape. I am ready to put it > all back together. I know I need to use some cork gasket to seal up the > mating surfaces, but should I use permatex or some type of instant gasket > stuff too? I only want to do this one time and don't want leaky gaskets. > I'm sure there are a few John Deere owners out there that have done this > before and I'm looking for a tried and true method for doing this. Thanks. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mraasch at hickorytech.net Mon Oct 25 14:14:13 2004 From: mraasch at hickorytech.net (Marc Raasch) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:14:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] magneto color Message-ID: <006e01c4bad7$93dbb140$edff72d8@hickorytech.net> Hello list I need to know what the original magneto on jd gas engines was painted. Was the body green and to magnet black? Thanks mraasch at hickorytech.net From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Oct 25 14:58:48 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:58:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic In-Reply-To: <000f01c4b7bd$cf9fe100$7c86a5d8@mycomputer> References: <001101c4b7b5$5b36d420$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <000f01c4b7bd$cf9fe100$7c86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041025174242.01f38b68@mail.alltel.net> Hi Rex, I'm with you 100% on this! At the Arden show this past weekend some SOB had the same (Kerry for President of France) bumper sticker on his 16 HP Galloway. He was asked to remove it and on Saturday afternoon he did. He replaced it with one that said "Kerry SUCKS--and so do his supporters!" His change was applauded by about 15 show goers who were watching the whole thing. The "new" bumper sticker remained on this guy's engine until he packed up to leave on Sunday at about noon. I'll try to get some pictures of the show up tomorrow. I don't know what our hobby is coming to! Dave PS, This same guy was telling everyone who would listen that due to the heavier that expected voter turnout, Republicans are to vote on Tuesday the 2nd, and Democrats are to vote on Wednesday the 3rd. Thursday (the 4th) is apparently a "makeup day" for those who can't make it to the polls on their day. (At least this guy was doing his best to insure that all those who have thought deeply about the issues will have their vote counted!) At 06:32 PM 10/21/2004, you wrote: >Well if you want to use this site for political campaining I guess I'm outa >here just like Joe , Ive had enough , maybe I can find a true engine site , >bye all. and thanks for the help some of you gave me on my engine questions > > Rex Hinz >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "SEL" >Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:31 PM >Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic > > > > http://www.enginads.com/smokstak.cgi/read/77336&expand/1 > > > > I think I know this guy ... > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Oct 25 15:24:28 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:24:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 6hp Stickney? In-Reply-To: <088b01c4bac1$ac0faf20$0301a8c0@ALEC> References: <088b01c4bac1$ac0faf20$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: > but some ol' wider woman from Ky Did you mean a wider woman, or a "widder woman"? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Oct 25 15:34:47 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:34:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 6hp Stickney? In-Reply-To: <088b01c4bac1$ac0faf20$0301a8c0@ALEC> References: <088b01c4bac1$ac0faf20$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <417D7F87.5090704@scrtc.com> Alec, You've given away my secrets! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Alec Stevens wrote: > George, > I know where there is a stunning 7hp and it could be had for 8k. I think its > actually worth more but I didnt buy it and I believe that figure is > reasonable based on the 3 large Sticks. that were at Portland, the one I am > referring to was not at Portland. > Good luck. > The Judge probably has 3 or 4 of them , I dont know what he paid for them > but some ol' wider woman from Ky probably let them go for 1000 or so to > settle taxes in the Judges local jurisdiction,,,,,,,,, I think thats how he > got his last KC engine, I could be wrong................................... > > Alec J. Stevens > Investment Specialist > 80 Leighton Road, Suite C > Falmouth, ME 04105 > (800)842-6669 > (207)797-5169 > (207)797-2819 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Best" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:52 AM > Subject: [SEL] 6hp Stickney? > > > >>How rare is the 6hp Stickney? The early one with the flat top >>crankcase. >> >>Any idea on how many are out there and how much they're worth? >> >>George >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 25 16:16:14 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:16:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic References: <001101c4b7b5$5b36d420$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net><000f01c4b7bd$cf9fe100$7c86a5d8@mycomputer> <6.1.2.0.0.20041025174242.01f38b68@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <00c001c4bae8$9fda9d60$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > I'm with you 100% on this! At the Arden show this past weekend > some SOB had the same (Kerry for President of France) bumper sticker on his > 16 HP Galloway. OK I was right , I do know that guy . This guy was seen tooling around the Balkans . His engine I dont recognize from anywhere http://www.revdisk.net/photos/KosovoVehicle.jpg Chuck ? From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 25 16:22:59 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:22:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan References: Message-ID: <00c601c4bae9$914ceae0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> I only want to do this one time and don't want leaky gaskets. > I'm sure there are a few John Deere owners out there that have done this > before and I'm looking for a tried and true method for doing this. Thanks. Do want to take it apart with ease later ? Silicone will stay stuck to your gasket but peel off the steel real easy . black looks cool in moderation . Gray motoseal by Ptx is so thin you use a brush . thats moderation ! but the color ---feh #1 and #2 will have to be scraped off . If you are never going back #1 will seal it up like Chernyobl . Stuck . If you abide by the hope of salvagable gaskets on disassembly try Hylomar or grease , thinly spread . Chuck? From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Oct 25 17:04:12 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:04:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Maytag twin Runs now Maytag values References: <1e5.2d62aa3b.2eadcc13@aol.com> Message-ID: <002e01c4baef$53bde340$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Rick, It seems the washing machines aren't worth much, at least now. I got mine at auction last year for $5 with an electric motor on it. I was the only bidder on it. I have also watched e-bay, and the engines with washing machines bring less than the engines alone. Of course engines are easy to ship, and washing machines are not. Most require local pickup, and that hurts prices. Even with the aluminum tub, the washers are heavy. My thought on price, for what it's worth. Maybe $400 for both. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag twin Runs now Maytag values > Ron, Francis, anyone. At the place where we got the dragsaw and 4hp > Famous, he also has a Maytag twin (the outboard cover is missing on the > kickstart) and a complete washing machine in very good shape including > decals, flex exhaust pipe and round muffler. It does not have the meat > grinder or butter churn attach. The engine is single cylinder with ~ 90 > paint still there, and it's not stuck. Even the casters caster good. The > wringler rollers are shot tho. > > Lookin' for a fair price to offer him if ya'll have any suggestions. He > laughed at our offer of 150 rockets for both :-( but I would have laughed > also. > > The only blue book we have is Ebay and of course we don't think that's > the real world :-) > > Thanks much! > RickinMt. > From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Oct 25 17:39:57 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:39:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan References: Message-ID: <004601c4baf4$524a15b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Luke, A good cork/neoprene gasket usually seals well without anything on it. Silicone and cork/neoprene gaskets don't work and play well together. Maybe some copper coat. Good stuff. Silicone in direct contact with fuel is a no no from my experience, and an expensive lesson it was. Permatex? I personally don't like the stuff, but I'm sure others have great luck with it. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:59 PM Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan > Hi Everyone, > > On my 3hp John Deere the oil in the crankcase leaked into the fuel tank. I > have it all torn apart and found the two little holes where the oil leaked > from the crankcase down into the fuel tank. I have the holes welded up and > the rest of the steel looks to be in really good shape. I am ready to put > it all back together. I know I need to use some cork gasket to seal up the > mating surfaces, but should I use permatex or some type of instant gasket > stuff too? I only want to do this one time and don't want leaky gaskets. > I'm sure there are a few John Deere owners out there that have done this > before and I'm looking for a tried and true method for doing this. > Thanks. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Oct 25 18:04:01 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:04:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Auction results References: <006101c4b956$6efa25f0$6401a8c0@office><000c01c4ba2b$7d4c02b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <005301c4ba2f$5651d7d0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <005101c4baf7$aee7ece0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> John, I just dug through my papers here. I did find a Sattley that looks like the one you posted, except for the flywheels. About 1928 or so and the oiler is behind the hopper opening, but the flywheels are solid. It's a throttler with a Wico mag and plug in the side of the head. Maybe this is a real rare Sattley, or perhaps the flywheels were changed. The Sattley part of my Wards research is really kicking me around. Many variations, and I'm trying to get it right before I put it online. Maybe when the snow flies, cause it's a lot more fun working on one than researching one. As for the prices. Maybe inline for what they were, but way too steep for me. I still think half the fun is doing the restoration, or bringing it back to life un-restored and looking like this. In my dreams on this one. http://frapa.us/Chase/Chase05.html Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Auction results > Hi Jeff, > I believe the biggest reason some of the engines went for so much was > the fact that so many of the buyers knew the gentleman that owned them > before he died. Not only did he do superb jobs on restorations & getting > engines running, but he went the extra mile for anyone (myself included), > new to the hobby, or if they just needed a hand with an engine problem. He > knew alot about mags & was the one to go to around here for help. So, we > knew that all of those engines at the sale were in top knotch condition. > Also, the Sattley was in original condition with a Sattley decal on it. > Don't you think it looks like one? > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" >> Seems there are those buying engines as an investment. I can't imagine >> any engine person paying these prices, and near as I can tell the Sattley >> is not a Sattley. These are the prices that kept me away from the hobby >> several years ago. Hope this is not a trend for investors with the stock >> market where it is. Not at all good for the hobby. Thanks for posting. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Oct 25 18:18:51 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:18:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan References: Message-ID: <000901c4baf9$c4732500$4a83fb40@gary> Hi Luke, I took my 1 1/2 hp apart (needlessly, I might add) about 5 years ago. It did not leak before I took it apart and I found, when I took it apart that it had cereal box card board, Wheaties I believe, for a gasket between the oil sump and the gas tank. I couldn't bring myself to replace the cardboard with more of the like, so I made a used a gasket (cork, I believe) from a set I bought for the engine. It has not leaked in the last five years either. I did not use any gasket sealer of any kind. YMMV Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:59 PM Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan > Hi Everyone, > > On my 3hp John Deere the oil in the crankcase leaked into the fuel tank. I > have it all torn apart and found the two little holes where the oil leaked > from the crankcase down into the fuel tank. I have the holes welded up and > the rest of the steel looks to be in really good shape. I am ready to put it > all back together. I know I need to use some cork gasket to seal up the > mating surfaces, but should I use permatex or some type of instant gasket > stuff too? I only want to do this one time and don't want leaky gaskets. > I'm sure there are a few John Deere owners out there that have done this > before and I'm looking for a tried and true method for doing this. Thanks. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com Mon Oct 25 18:33:37 2004 From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:33:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Auction results References: <006101c4b956$6efa25f0$6401a8c0@office><000c01c4ba2b$7d4c02b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <005301c4ba2f$5651d7d0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <007301c4bafb$d1490e00$8bc77040@user> John, did you happen to notice if the John Deere was a high base or throttle governed? These would get that price easily. Looked at the picture but don't think it is a high base....could be wrong. ( usually am ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Auction results Hi Jeff, I believe the biggest reason some of the engines went for so much was the fact that so many of the buyers knew the gentleman that owned them before he died. Not only did he do superb jobs on restorations & getting engines running, but he went the extra mile for anyone (myself included), new to the hobby, or if they just needed a hand with an engine problem. He knew alot about mags & was the one to go to around here for help. So, we knew that all of those engines at the sale were in top knotch condition. Also, the Sattley was in original condition with a Sattley decal on it. Don't you think it looks like one? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" > Seems there are those buying engines as an investment. I can't imagine any > engine person paying these prices, and near as I can tell the Sattley is > not a Sattley. These are the prices that kept me away from the hobby > several years ago. Hope this is not a trend for investors with the stock > market where it is. Not at all good for the hobby. Thanks for posting. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From yostsw at atis.net Mon Oct 25 18:45:44 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:45:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200410252145440328.02200A79@heavyiron.atis.net> "Instant gasket" stuff (ie Blue RTV silcone) is a gasket maker. The idea is to use it OR use gaskets - not together. When using gaskets, only use gasket sealants. I use Permetex's gasket sealant called "Hi-tack". Its purpose it to better seal the gasket (no weeping over time like you would see if you installed it bare) and to hold the gasket in place during assembly. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 10/25/2004 at 6:59 PM Luke Tonneberger wrote: >Hi Everyone, > >On my 3hp John Deere the oil in the crankcase leaked into the fuel tank. I >have it all torn apart and found the two little holes where the oil leaked >from the crankcase down into the fuel tank. I have the holes welded up and >the rest of the steel looks to be in really good shape. I am ready to put >it >all back together. I know I need to use some cork gasket to seal up the >mating surfaces, but should I use permatex or some type of instant gasket >stuff too? I only want to do this one time and don't want leaky gaskets. >I'm sure there are a few John Deere owners out there that have done this >before and I'm looking for a tried and true method for doing this. Thanks. > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Oct 25 20:13:49 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:13:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan In-Reply-To: <004601c4baf4$524a15b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> References: <004601c4baf4$524a15b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <417DC0ED.7070806@scrtc.com> Jeff, Off the shelf silicone won't work. You have to get the automotive sealant that is oil and fuel resistant. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Jeff Allen wrote: > Luke, > > Silicone in direct contact with fuel is a no no from my experience, > and an expensive lesson it was. Permatex? I personally don't like the > stuff, but I'm sure others have great luck with it. > From dotto at velocitus.net Mon Oct 25 20:31:39 2004 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:31:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c4bb0c$52075370$01043c0a@DD1BF421> Luke When I did my 1.5 hp Deere I used Gortex gasket tape. The stuff I had is about 3/8" or 1/2" wide and about 1/8" thick. It will compress and conform to most any surface. I have run it every summer since and it has never given me any trouble. It is Teflon so gas and oil will not touch it. The John Deere gaskets are plain cork and not even worth the time to install. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke Tonneberger Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:00 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan Hi Everyone, On my 3hp John Deere the oil in the crankcase leaked into the fuel tank. I have it all torn apart and found the two little holes where the oil leaked from the crankcase down into the fuel tank. I have the holes welded up and the rest of the steel looks to be in really good shape. I am ready to put it all back together. I know I need to use some cork gasket to seal up the mating surfaces, but should I use permatex or some type of instant gasket stuff too? I only want to do this one time and don't want leaky gaskets. I'm sure there are a few John Deere owners out there that have done this before and I'm looking for a tried and true method for doing this. Thanks. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 25 21:08:17 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:08:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] magneto color References: <006e01c4bad7$93dbb140$edff72d8@hickorytech.net> Message-ID: <001801c4bb11$6cfb4060$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> No paint on the body at all Marc, just black on the magnet, the hold down strap was also unpainted. Here is a shot of the way I do them http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/mag-associated-jd.jpg I bead blast the body and the end cap then buff them with a clean handheld wire brush. It give that "Fresh Out of the Die" look. To stop rust I use "Cast Iron Gray" on the strap and then give the whole Mag a coat of clear lacquer. On the other hand, yellow with purple flowers would suit a lot of this mob. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Raasch" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 4:14 PM Subject: [SEL] magneto color > Hello list > I need to know what the original magneto on jd gas engines was painted. > Was the body green and to magnet black? > Thanks > mraasch at hickorytech.net > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bethell1 at iinet.net.au Tue Oct 26 01:29:23 2004 From: bethell1 at iinet.net.au (jim bethell) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:29:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary References: <200410251113.i9PBDgjn097593@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <005d01c4bb35$e7e93e20$75eccecb@default> Good to catch up with some fellow list members at the Rally. Took my 6.5hp Austral no. 875 down and ran for all the time we had water, we got ours at 1.30 pm sat. Hope Naracoorte don't forget to put on plenty of water carts, we tend to pay the local fire brigade to attend the Junction Rally and they gladly help with two fast fill trucks. Did two tyres on the way home,(two out of six aint that bad I suppose on a triaxle trailer). Jim Bethell Mildura "Gateway to the outback" bethell1 at iinet.net..au http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:13 PM Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary > Well I am finally home after covering some 2400km since last Thursday. The > Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary Rally was a great success with an estimated 600 > engines of which I would guess about 200 were Austral Oil Engines. (For our > non-Aussie list members that means 200 side-shaft engines!). I arrived on > Friday and set my Austral up next to Brock's as we were the only > representatives of the Sydney and Canberra Clubs. From where my engine stood > I could see the remaining structure of the factory where my engine was built > and clearly on the wall could be read "Ronaldson Bros". (The "& Tippett part > of the building is gone). > Friday night we headed out to Lyndsay's shed and had a look at his engines > and then visited another local collectors shed to look at his engines. I > think we finally got to bed about 1am. > Saturday was a cold miserable day and it was not helped by the only real > glitch in the rally organising. Quite a number of engines (mine and Brock's > included) did not get any water until well after lunchtime. The club > officials were quite unapologetic about this lapse of organization. > Once we had water the fun part was keeping the oil engines running as a cool > breeze and drizzly rain does not make for good weather to keep them running. > The Saturday night dinner was good and was held amongst an amazing > collection of R-T memorabilia. There were factory ledgers, photos, casting > patterns, parts books, catalogues, etc. Every time you looked around you > found something else amazing too look at. > The weather was a lot better on Sunday and I ended up with sore feet from > walking around trying too see all the engines. There were some very nice > rare examples including the early vertical and horizontal engines, all > manner of Australs, Type D, G, N, Diesels, and even a twin cylinder Type N! > The 3pm shutdown came along amazingly fast and now the fun part was getting > 600 engines out of the place when, of course, everyone wanted to leave at > once. Where they failed with the water they succeeded with organising the > departure. Two cranes were working there way down the compounds as well as > club members directing the vehicles loading the engines onto trailers. We > even loaded my engine with the crane which turned a 15 minute job into a 30 > second one. > It was a great weekend and I got to catch up with a lot of old (and new) > engine friends. I took over 500 photos which I have to sort through but > these three are pretty special. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240539.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240540.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240541.JPG > > They show my Austral in front of the factory where it was built for the > first time since it was built in 1917 :) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Oct 26 04:35:47 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:35:47 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary References: <200410251113.i9PBDgjn097593@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <005d01c4bb35$e7e93e20$75eccecb@default> Message-ID: <000701c4bb4f$f5961240$a6a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Congratulations to the Rally organisers...sounds like you all had a great time. I had been looking forward to Naracoorte. I was prepared for it but i am afraid the cost of fuel is now going to have a big influence on my decision wether to go or not. What is giving me the shits is that diesel is now more expensive than petrol..........what goes on? ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim bethell" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary > Good to catch up with some fellow list members at the Rally. Took my 6.5hp > Austral no. 875 down and ran for all the time we had water, we got ours at > 1.30 pm sat. Hope Naracoorte don't forget to put on plenty of water carts, > we tend to pay the local fire brigade to attend the Junction Rally and they > gladly help with two fast fill trucks. Did two tyres on the way home,(two > out of six aint that bad I suppose on a triaxle trailer). > Jim Bethell > Mildura "Gateway to the outback" > bethell1 at iinet.net..au > http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; > "Stationary Engine Mailing List" > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:13 PM > Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary > > > > Well I am finally home after covering some 2400km since last Thursday. The > > Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary Rally was a great success with an estimated > 600 > > engines of which I would guess about 200 were Austral Oil Engines. (For > our > > non-Aussie list members that means 200 side-shaft engines!). I arrived on > > Friday and set my Austral up next to Brock's as we were the only > > representatives of the Sydney and Canberra Clubs. From where my engine > stood > > I could see the remaining structure of the factory where my engine was > built > > and clearly on the wall could be read "Ronaldson Bros". (The "& Tippett > part > > of the building is gone). > > Friday night we headed out to Lyndsay's shed and had a look at his engines > > and then visited another local collectors shed to look at his engines. I > > think we finally got to bed about 1am. > > Saturday was a cold miserable day and it was not helped by the only real > > glitch in the rally organising. Quite a number of engines (mine and > Brock's > > included) did not get any water until well after lunchtime. The club > > officials were quite unapologetic about this lapse of organization. > > Once we had water the fun part was keeping the oil engines running as a > cool > > breeze and drizzly rain does not make for good weather to keep them > running. > > The Saturday night dinner was good and was held amongst an amazing > > collection of R-T memorabilia. There were factory ledgers, photos, casting > > patterns, parts books, catalogues, etc. Every time you looked around you > > found something else amazing too look at. > > The weather was a lot better on Sunday and I ended up with sore feet from > > walking around trying too see all the engines. There were some very nice > > rare examples including the early vertical and horizontal engines, all > > manner of Australs, Type D, G, N, Diesels, and even a twin cylinder Type > N! > > The 3pm shutdown came along amazingly fast and now the fun part was > getting > > 600 engines out of the place when, of course, everyone wanted to leave at > > once. Where they failed with the water they succeeded with organising the > > departure. Two cranes were working there way down the compounds as well as > > club members directing the vehicles loading the engines onto trailers. We > > even loaded my engine with the crane which turned a 15 minute job into a > 30 > > second one. > > It was a great weekend and I got to catch up with a lot of old (and new) > > engine friends. I took over 500 photos which I have to sort through but > > these three are pretty special. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240539.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240540.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240541.JPG > > > > They show my Austral in front of the factory where it was built for the > > first time since it was built in 1917 :) > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > > Leichhardt NSW > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Oct 26 04:57:09 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:57:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] magneto color In-Reply-To: <001801c4bb11$6cfb4060$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <006e01c4bad7$93dbb140$edff72d8@hickorytech.net> <001801c4bb11$6cfb4060$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041026075555.02136650@mail.alltel.net> >On the other hand, yellow with purple flowers would suit a lot of this mob. > >Ted Brookover Hi Ted, Would that call for a true purple, or something bordering more on the PUCE side? Dave From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Oct 26 05:07:28 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:07:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary - panoramic photo of entire rally ground & now whole gallery *** STEAMENGINE is down - please use backup mirror In-Reply-To: <417D042D.2060407@steamengine.com.au> References: <200410251113.i9PBDgjn097593@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <417CEA03.5070901@steamengine.com.au> <417D042D.2060407@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <417E3E00.6020102@steamengine.com.au> The server in the UK is down (Paul Evans - Help!!) so I've reasurrected the old server. You can get to it at www2.steamengine.com.au http://www2.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/rona-tip-2004/ http://www2.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/rona-tip-2004/pics/panorama_w.jpg Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > Seems the server is dead for a bit... if you cannot get it and want the > photo - please mail me off list and I'll send it to you. > > The full gallery is now loaded at: > http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/rona-tip-2004/ > This link will not start working until the web server is restarted > > > I've tried mailing Paul Evans about the site but he rejected my message > :(... > > Paul > > Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > >> Here is a Panoramic photo of the rally ground (be patient it is not >> exactly small!!) >> http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/rona-tip-2004/pics/panorama_w.jpg >> >> >> The web server which hosts my site is having some problems... keep >> trying! >> >> Paul >> >> Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >> >>> Well I am finally home after covering some 2400km since last >>> Thursday. The >>> Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary Rally was a great success with an >>> estimated 600 >> >> >> > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Oct 26 05:12:34 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:12:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary In-Reply-To: <000701c4bb4f$f5961240$a6a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <200410251113.i9PBDgjn097593@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <005d01c4bb35$e7e93e20$75eccecb@default> <000701c4bb4f$f5961240$a6a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <417E3F32.8050402@steamengine.com.au> It is called tax. I asked my local servo about it (I know the owner) - he said the wholesale has gone up because of a new commercial heavy vehicle levy. Pity we don't have commercial heavy vehicles now isnt it. Paul peter ogborne wrote: > What is giving me the shits is that diesel is now more expensive than > petrol..........what goes on? -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Oct 26 05:31:10 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:31:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ottawa TE4 running again Message-ID: <417E438E.6060205@steamengine.com.au> She is going again. The engine I brought home from the US was all put back together (thanks to a mate Stan who made new studs and refaced the head nice and flat) this weekend and taken to the Stringy Bark Festival in Melbourne. Before taking it down the best I'd made it do was pop a few times with most of the combustion happening within the muffler. At the rally I set up and one of the other club members (thanks Nick!) helped me sort it out. It is now timed absolutely nothing like the recommendations made by Ottawa and it is just purring along. The only outstanding issues are it is getting too hot and the engine will run with the governor completely closing the butterfly which probably means it is leaking or there is some other path past the valve within the carby. This would not surprise me since the carby is a nasty rough sand casting in iron. I'll sort it out at the Lake Goldsmith rally coming up this weekend at Beaufort. I'm taking the Ottawa and the drag saw and should be cutting all weekend. Made a new belt for the saw last night. Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Oct 26 05:46:49 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 06:46:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Maytag twin Runs now Maytag values References: <1e5.2d62aa3b.2eadcc13@aol.com> <002e01c4baef$53bde340$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: Appreciate the advise Jeff! That goes along with Corky's thinkin'. If the pockets deepen a little maybe I'll just go for the twin by itself. Take Care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag twin Runs now Maytag values > Rick, > > It seems the washing machines aren't worth much, at least now. I got mine > at > auction last year for $5 with an electric motor on it. I was the only > bidder > on it. > > I have also watched e-bay, and the engines with washing machines bring > less > than the engines alone. Of course engines are easy to ship, and washing > machines are not. Most require local pickup, and that hurts prices. Even > with the aluminum tub, the washers are heavy. > > My thought on price, for what it's worth. Maybe $400 for both. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:07 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag twin Runs now Maytag values > > > > Ron, Francis, anyone. At the place where we got the dragsaw and 4hp > > Famous, he also has a Maytag twin (the outboard cover is missing on the > > kickstart) and a complete washing machine in very good shape including > > decals, flex exhaust pipe and round muffler. It does not have the meat > > grinder or butter churn attach. The engine is single cylinder with ~ 90 > > paint still there, and it's not stuck. Even the casters caster good. > > The > > wringler rollers are shot tho. > > > > Lookin' for a fair price to offer him if ya'll have any suggestions. > > He > > laughed at our offer of 150 rockets for both :-( but I would have > > laughed > > also. > > > > The only blue book we have is Ebay and of course we don't think that's > > the real world :-) > > > > Thanks much! > > RickinMt. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Oct 26 05:52:42 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:52:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Auction results References: <006101c4b956$6efa25f0$6401a8c0@office><000c01c4ba2b$7d4c02b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221><005301c4ba2f$5651d7d0$6401a8c0@office> <005101c4baf7$aee7ece0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <002701c4bb5a$b1980fc0$bf6f29cb@oemcomputer> Ht engine is Nelson Bros built.The muffler and the fylwheels are a real give away.I would think sattly badged these engines as they did to Field and brundidge. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 11:04 Subject: Re: [SEL] Auction results > John, > > I just dug through my papers here. I did find a Sattley that looks like the > one you posted, except for the flywheels. About 1928 or so and the oiler is > behind the hopper opening, but the flywheels are solid. It's a throttler > with a Wico mag and plug in the side of the head. Maybe this is a real rare > Sattley, or perhaps the flywheels were changed. > > The Sattley part of my Wards research is really kicking me around. Many > variations, and I'm trying to get it right before I put it online. Maybe > when the snow flies, cause it's a lot more fun working on one than > researching one. > > As for the prices. Maybe inline for what they were, but way too steep for > me. I still think half the fun is doing the restoration, or bringing it back > to life un-restored and looking like this. In my dreams on this one. > http://frapa.us/Chase/Chase05.html > > Jeff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Cullom" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:09 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Auction results > > > > Hi Jeff, > > I believe the biggest reason some of the engines went for so much was > > the fact that so many of the buyers knew the gentleman that owned them > > before he died. Not only did he do superb jobs on restorations & getting > > engines running, but he went the extra mile for anyone (myself included), > > new to the hobby, or if they just needed a hand with an engine problem. He > > knew alot about mags & was the one to go to around here for help. So, we > > knew that all of those engines at the sale were in top knotch condition. > > Also, the Sattley was in original condition with a Sattley decal on it. > > Don't you think it looks like one? > > John > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jeff Allen" > >> Seems there are those buying engines as an investment. I can't imagine > >> any engine person paying these prices, and near as I can tell the Sattley > >> is not a Sattley. These are the prices that kept me away from the hobby > >> several years ago. Hope this is not a trend for investors with the stock > >> market where it is. Not at all good for the hobby. Thanks for posting. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. From jhcullom at adelphia.net Tue Oct 26 06:17:13 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:17:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Auction results References: <006101c4b956$6efa25f0$6401a8c0@office><000c01c4ba2b$7d4c02b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221><005301c4ba2f$5651d7d0$6401a8c0@office> <007301c4bafb$d1490e00$8bc77040@user> Message-ID: <005301c4bb5e$1bbe6900$6401a8c0@office> Hi Paul, There's a thread on the auction on Harry's page. Here's a picture someone else took of it... http://www.enginads.com/smokstak.cgi/noframes/read/77807 John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Russell" > John, did you happen to notice if the John Deere was a high base or > throttle > governed? These would get that price easily. Looked at the picture but > don't > think it is a high base....could be wrong. ( usually am ) From plb at iinet.net.au Tue Oct 26 06:50:53 2004 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:50:53 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary - panoramic photo of entirerally ground & now whole gallery *** STEAMENGINE is down - please usebackup mirror References: <200410251113.i9PBDgjn097593@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <417CEA03.5070901@steamengine.com.au><417D042D.2060407@steamengine.com.au> <417E3E00.6020102@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <011b01c4bb62$cf8fbf70$0201010a@Portable> Excellant pics thanks Paul! Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary - panoramic photo of entirerally ground & now whole gallery *** STEAMENGINE is down - please usebackup mirror > The server in the UK is down (Paul Evans - Help!!) so I've reasurrected > the old server. You can get to it at www2.steamengine.com.au > > http://www2.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/rona-tip-2004/ > http://www2.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/rona-tip-2004/pics/panorama_w.jpg > > Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > >> Seems the server is dead for a bit... if you cannot get it and want the >> photo - please mail me off list and I'll send it to you. >> >> The full gallery is now loaded at: >> http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/rona-tip-2004/ >> This link will not start working until the web server is restarted >> >> >> I've tried mailing Paul Evans about the site but he rejected my message >> :(... >> >> Paul >> >> Paul Pavlinovich wrote: >> >>> Here is a Panoramic photo of the rally ground (be patient it is not >>> exactly small!!) >>> http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/rona-tip-2004/pics/panorama_w.jpg >>> >>> The web server which hosts my site is having some problems... keep >>> trying! >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >>> >>>> Well I am finally home after covering some 2400km since last Thursday. >>>> The >>>> Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary Rally was a great success with an estimated >>>> 600 >>> >>> >>> >> > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Tue Oct 26 15:06:54 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:06:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] He knows that guy Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7027EC9DC@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>OK I was right , I do know that guy . >>This guy was seen tooling around the Balkans . >>His engine I dont recognize from anywhere >> http://www.revdisk.net/photos/KosovoVehicle.jpg >>Chuck (r) Not too much of it is visible, but it looks kinda like a Deutz diesel single I used on a water pump back in the mid 70's. No fun to crank, even with the compression release. Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From MaytagTwin at aol.com Tue Oct 26 15:23:28 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:23:28 EDT Subject: [SEL] He knows that guy Message-ID: <74.45027a5e.2eb02860@aol.com> Hi Bruce, Note the rope start spool? I have an Acme diesel, 9 HP air cooled, on a tiller. It is easy to start using a rope. The trick is to crank it by keeping the rope tight and pulling it like a yo-yo, letting it bounce back off the compression stroke. Then, once you get it started bouncing, pull it on through and it starts. Trying to just pull it through without bouncing it is almost impossible. Ron PS: Do you suppose that rig would get through the auto inspection station? In a message dated 10/26/2004 6:10:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us writes: Not too much of it is visible, but it looks kinda like a Deutz diesel single I used on a water pump back in the mid 70's. No fun to crank, even with the compression release. From sleis at mwt.net Tue Oct 26 18:16:58 2004 From: sleis at mwt.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:16:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Alamo engine Message-ID: <000a01c4bbc2$a89c94a0$2455becf@computer> Hi List I was wondering if any one knows were I can get main bearings for the 1 1/2hp Alamo blue line Stacy :-) From BetCleve321 at aol.com Tue Oct 26 16:31:33 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:31:33 EDT Subject: [SEL] Alamo engine Message-ID: <7a.64d13fbe.2eb03855@aol.com> You have one? I had one when I was a kid back in the late '40s.I got it from Clarance adams just outside Hillsdale MI where we lived. The engine has poured babbit bearings. Skip Cleveland From rexhinz at chorus.net Tue Oct 26 16:37:18 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:37:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic References: <001101c4b7b5$5b36d420$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net><000f01c4b7bd$cf9fe100$7c86a5d8@mycomputer> <6.1.2.0.0.20041025174242.01f38b68@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001201c4bbb4$bdc66620$6786a5d8@mycomputer> Hi all ; About my post about leaving SEL I just plain told a lie , I'm still here reading every post , The day I posted that outburst was a real bad hair day for me, here are a few excuses for my bad behaviror . 1. I had a Headace 2. I ran out of Old Mil 3. My Wife ran away with my best friend 4. I miss my best friend 5. I don't like Kerry 6.I wouldn't do that to France 7. I'm stupid Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice domestic > Hi Rex, > I'm with you 100% on this! At the Arden show this past weekend > some SOB had the same (Kerry for President of France) bumper sticker on his > 16 HP Galloway. > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 26 07:41:22 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:41:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan References: <004601c4baf4$524a15b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <417DC0ED.7070806@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <001b01c4bb69$ddad5160$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > > Silicone in direct contact with fuel is a no no from my experience, > > and an expensive lesson it was. Permatex? I personally don't like the > > stuff, but I'm sure others have great luck with it. oh yeah !! if you use it on the bottom side of that joint , and use enough of it it will melt like taffy and then recongeal all over the inside of the fuel system and make it look like a rubber coated water park ride . From paul at semidiesel.com Tue Oct 26 17:42:44 2004 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 01:42:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary - panoramic photo of entirerally ground & now whole gallery *** STEAMENGINE is down - please usebackup mirror In-Reply-To: <417E3E00.6020102@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: Sorry about that, server was upgraded while I was away overnight and things did not go according to plan. Now sorted. Cheers Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/04 From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Oct 26 18:32:22 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:32:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ottawa Drag Saw Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041026210908.0214e658@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, Several weeks ago at the Cotton Ginning Show I watched while three drag saws (a 1 3/4 HP Herc, a 4 HP Ottawa and a 5 HP Ottawa) were used to cut rounds and provide something for the crowd to carry away--See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/ That was enough to convince me that I needed one for our local shows here in PA. I called a few friends to let them know of my need, but no one knew where one was for sale. There was one on e-bay, but it was in AZ and the trip would have been a bit too far. Then last week-end at the Arden show I asked around and sure enough Robert Blanchard had a 5 HP Ottawa drag saw for sale for $1,000.00. Robert told me that it was an older restoration and it ran/cut well. There was an extra blade and a repro manual that went along with it and it was located at his home in near Raleigh, NC--about 200 miles from the show. I gave Robert a deposit for the saw and by 1:00 on Sunday Arnie and I were headed East on Rt. 40 toward Raleigh. By 7:30 we had the drag saw loaded into my truck and were on our way north toward home. The saw is now unloaded and in my garage. It can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/5_HP_Ottawa_Drag_Saw/ (The extra wheel is an "add on" to help with the moving of the saw. It is removed for cutting.) Later this week (if the weather co-operates) I'll try it out on a log or two! Dave PS, Can anyone tell me the year of manufacture of this saw--S/N TE 28815? PPS, Rob suggests that I NOT put ropes/fence up around it when demonstrating. He says that if something goes wrong I'll want to get out of the way rapidly and might trip on the rope/fence! From jbcast at charter.net Tue Oct 26 19:22:22 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 2:22:22 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Ottawa Drag Saw Message-ID: <3iteat$e67sni@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net> Nice looking saw Dave, we have a saying when watching Dick Gibbens saw operate. "There ain't nothin' on there can't hurt ya". J.B. Castagnos Belle ROse, LA From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Oct 26 19:44:47 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:44:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Alamo engine In-Reply-To: <000a01c4bbc2$a89c94a0$2455becf@computer> Message-ID: <004101c4bbce$ee9229f0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Alamo built engines, including Rock Island, Alamo, Lindsay-Alamo and many others have poured babbet bearings. Several on the list here can tell you how......... I have a doc on my web site if I recall from someone who did it and described the process in detail. (I have a 2hp Blue Line and a 1.5 Lindsay-Alamo) Bill Antique-engines.com -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Stacy Leis Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:17 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Alamo engine Hi List I was wondering if any one knows were I can get main bearings for the 1 1/2hp Alamo blue line Stacy :-) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Oct 26 19:51:31 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:51:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ottawa Drag Saw In-Reply-To: <3iteat$e67sni@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3iteat$e67sni@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041026224936.02006a40@mail.alltel.net> At 10:22 PM 10/26/2004, you wrote: >Nice looking saw Dave, we have a saying when watching Dick Gibbens saw >operate. "There ain't nothin' on there can't hurt ya". >J.B. Castagnos Hi J.B., Looks like that to me as well! You should have seen all three of them going at once at the Cotton Ginning! Dave From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Oct 26 19:57:09 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:57:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan In-Reply-To: <001b01c4bb69$ddad5160$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <200410270257.i9R2vIXd027626@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > > will melt like taffy and then recongeal all over the inside > of the fuel system and make it look like a rubber coated > water park ride . Here's a little anecdote for ya that only applies to John Deeres and silicone. A chap brought a Deere over saying that it would run for fifteen minutes and then die. After the engine sat a while, it would fire back up, but only for fifteen minutes. Rather than try to reproduce the symtoms, I took the report as accurate. Turning the engine over slowly by hand produced a faint, but unmistakably unusual, sound. The next step was to remove the cover and find the source of the unusual noise. Surprise, surprise, surprise! The crankcase had a buildup of powdered aluminum from the scuffed up aftermarket piston. The piston was as dry as the proverbial bone! Further investigation revealed that a little bugger of silicone had come loose and lodged in the itty-bitty hole that allows oil into the oil cup. You Deere guys know what I mean. If the hole gets plugged, no oil goes into the cup, no oil gets flung around the crankcase, the bits become DRY, and then nasty things happen. Luckily, the damage was not so bad that it couldn't be fixed with a thorough cleaning and a few squirts of oil. It's not like the engine had to turn four second quarter miles. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Oct 26 20:04:40 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:04:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ottawa Drag Saw Message-ID: <20041026.230630.1192.9.jlb94@juno.com> Nice find Dave - I agree 100% with Rob about tripping over the ropes. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Oct 26 20:19:48 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:19:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Selling an old engine Message-ID: <002201c4bbd3$d17ed3e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Please respond off list. Forwarded for those that might have an interest in this. ----- Original Message ----- From: Walter and Rita To: transteck at earthlink.net Cc: Walter and Rita Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:55 PM Subject: Selling an old engine Dear Sir: I am interested in identifying and selling an old flathead inline 6 engine that is installed in a late 1940's International Harvester SP 125 Combine I own. I am told the engine may be a Hercules, Continental, or Chrysler Industrial. Could you help me get started? Thank you. Walter at nixons at theglobal.net From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Oct 26 20:20:12 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:20:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] He knows that guy References: <74.45027a5e.2eb02860@aol.com> Message-ID: <004001c4bbd3$e2b2aab0$5783fb40@gary> Sure, Ron, just bring it on down to Ozark County. I think we can get it through. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] He knows that guy > > PS: Do you suppose that rig would get through the auto inspection station? > > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Oct 26 20:43:24 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:43:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sattley documentation Message-ID: <003401c4bbd7$1fa61f80$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Sorry all, I've had my fill. The world is flat, the sun revolves around the earth, and Montgomery Ward and Co. never built their own engines. All Sattleys where Field and Brundage or Nelson Bros. branded engines. The original catalogs I used in my research are all propaganda and I continue to disseminate these falsehoods. I will do so no longer. Not worth the battle, the flames, or the time and money I have spent. Evidence and citation be damned when there is hearsay to depend on. Am I an idiot? YES!! I tried to research and share information. Idiot 101 and now ready for 102. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ PS The "false information" will be offline by weeks end. From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Oct 27 05:17:16 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:17:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Tale of Two Tangye's References: <200410170928.i9H9SXMT046716@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002e01c4b4a9$0436f600$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <008701c4bc1e$e8295480$8a5eecdc@km> G'day All Last year after looking for one for a while I purchased an English Tangye 5hp side shaft at an aution, it was in rough condition with many parts having to be cast and also having to be resleaved. new rings etc. Last month I was asked to look at an unknown engine in the next town by my brother in law to give my opinion on a fair price, when we saw the engine I could not believe it, a nealy complete Tangye with a lot of original paint sitting under cover. The B.I.Law backed out of purchasing the engine and I could not resist, other than who needs two engines of the same but the deal was good and I now have something to use to copy the remaining parts. I purchased the engine from an old lady that had just put her 85year old husband into hospital, she was selling up and moving. it was sad to hear he past away 3 days after I bought the engine Anyway she said the engine had been laying there for many many years, he did get it to run once but could not remember what he originally got it for. To see the pictures http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Tangye1.html Kerry From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Oct 27 05:30:35 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:30:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sattley documentation In-Reply-To: <003401c4bbd7$1fa61f80$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> References: <003401c4bbd7$1fa61f80$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <417F94EB.7040501@scrtc.com> Jeff, I hope you don't take the Sattley info off. There are a lot of folks who are experts and dispute researched info. Their documentation is what had been heard or said to them or possibly what they read 10 years ago (sorry to say that with what we read, accuracy fades with time). Sure errors can be made. But, that doesn't make the entire work bad. Hang in there. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky Jeff Allen wrote: > Sorry all, > > I've had my fill. The world is flat, the sun revolves around the earth, and Montgomery Ward and Co. never built their own engines. All Sattleys where Field and Brundage or Nelson Bros. branded engines. The original catalogs I used in my research are all propaganda and I continue to disseminate these falsehoods. I will do so no longer. Not worth the battle, the flames, or the time and money I have spent. Evidence and citation be damned when there is hearsay to depend on. > > Am I an idiot? YES!! I tried to research and share information. Idiot 101 and now ready for 102. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > > PS The "false information" will be offline by weeks end. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Oct 27 05:51:06 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 06:51:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ottawa Drag Saw References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041026210908.0214e658@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Nice!! Dave. Neat place for a primer cup. You didn't by chance get any pictures of the 1 3/4 Herc did you? Makes me want to start on mine, but the shop is next after the Galloway Saw Outfit. Good Luck with 'er. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:32 PM Subject: [SEL] Ottawa Drag Saw > Hi All, > Several weeks ago at the Cotton Ginning Show I watched while three drag > saws (a 1 3/4 HP Herc, a 4 HP Ottawa and a 5 HP Ottawa) were used to cut > rounds and provide something for the crowd to carry away--See: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/ > That was enough to convince me that I needed one for our local shows here > in PA. I called a few friends to let them know of my need, but no one knew > where one was for sale. There was one on e-bay, but it was in AZ and the > trip would have been a bit too far. Then last week-end at the Arden show I > asked around and sure enough Robert Blanchard had a 5 HP Ottawa drag saw > for sale for $1,000.00. Robert told me that it was an older restoration > and > it ran/cut well. There was an extra blade and a repro manual that went > along with it and it was located at his home in near Raleigh, NC--about > 200 > miles from the show. I gave Robert a deposit for the saw and by 1:00 on > Sunday Arnie and I were headed East on Rt. 40 toward Raleigh. By 7:30 we > had the drag saw loaded into my truck and were on our way north toward > home. > The saw is now unloaded and in my garage. It can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/5_HP_Ottawa_Drag_Saw/ > (The extra wheel is an "add on" to help with the moving of the saw. It is > removed for cutting.) Later this week (if the weather co-operates) I'll > try > it out on a log or two! > Dave > PS, Can anyone tell me the year of manufacture of this saw--S/N TE 28815? > PPS, Rob suggests that I NOT put ropes/fence up around it when > demonstrating. He says that if something goes wrong I'll want to get out > of > the way rapidly and might trip on the rope/fence! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Wed Oct 27 05:58:41 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:58:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ottawa Drag Saw Message-ID: <001001c4bc24$b22db140$65690b42@gnarmstrong> Dave, Geo. and Helen Meyers are an excellent source of info on the Ottawa. Geo -----Original Message----- From: Dave Rotigel To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:37 PM Subject: [SEL] Ottawa Drag Saw >Hi All, > Several weeks ago at the Cotton Ginning Show I watched while three drag >saws (a 1 3/4 HP Herc, a 4 HP Ottawa and a 5 HP Ottawa) were used to cut >rounds and provide something for the crowd to carry away--See: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/ > That was enough to convince me that I needed one for our local shows here >in PA. I called a few friends to let them know of my need, but no one knew >where one was for sale. There was one on e-bay, but it was in AZ and the >trip would have been a bit too far. Then last week-end at the Arden show I >asked around and sure enough Robert Blanchard had a 5 HP Ottawa drag saw >for sale for $1,000.00. Robert told me that it was an older restoration and >it ran/cut well. There was an extra blade and a repro manual that went >along with it and it was located at his home in near Raleigh, NC--about 200 >miles from the show. I gave Robert a deposit for the saw and by 1:00 on >Sunday Arnie and I were headed East on Rt. 40 toward Raleigh. By 7:30 we >had the drag saw loaded into my truck and were on our way north toward home. > The saw is now unloaded and in my garage. It can be seen at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/5_HP_Ottawa_Drag_Saw/ >(The extra wheel is an "add on" to help with the moving of the saw. It is >removed for cutting.) Later this week (if the weather co-operates) I'll try >it out on a log or two! > Dave >PS, Can anyone tell me the year of manufacture of this saw--S/N TE 28815? >PPS, Rob suggests that I NOT put ropes/fence up around it when >demonstrating. He says that if something goes wrong I'll want to get out of >the way rapidly and might trip on the rope/fence! > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Wed Oct 27 06:04:33 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:04:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ottawa Drag Saw Message-ID: <002101c4bc25$8158aa60$65690b42@gnarmstrong> Dave, I think Geo. and Helen can be reached by phone @ (717) 536-3711 or by Email @ ottawa at pa.net Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Rotigel To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:37 PM Subject: [SEL] Ottawa Drag Saw >Hi All, > Several weeks ago at the Cotton Ginning Show I watched while three drag >saws (a 1 3/4 HP Herc, a 4 HP Ottawa and a 5 HP Ottawa) were used to cut >rounds and provide something for the crowd to carry away--See: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/ > That was enough to convince me that I needed one for our local shows here >in PA. I called a few friends to let them know of my need, but no one knew >where one was for sale. There was one on e-bay, but it was in AZ and the >trip would have been a bit too far. Then last week-end at the Arden show I >asked around and sure enough Robert Blanchard had a 5 HP Ottawa drag saw >for sale for $1,000.00. Robert told me that it was an older restoration and >it ran/cut well. There was an extra blade and a repro manual that went >along with it and it was located at his home in near Raleigh, NC--about 200 >miles from the show. I gave Robert a deposit for the saw and by 1:00 on >Sunday Arnie and I were headed East on Rt. 40 toward Raleigh. By 7:30 we >had the drag saw loaded into my truck and were on our way north toward home. > The saw is now unloaded and in my garage. It can be seen at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/5_HP_Ottawa_Drag_Saw/ >(The extra wheel is an "add on" to help with the moving of the saw. It is >removed for cutting.) Later this week (if the weather co-operates) I'll try >it out on a log or two! > Dave >PS, Can anyone tell me the year of manufacture of this saw--S/N TE 28815? >PPS, Rob suggests that I NOT put ropes/fence up around it when >demonstrating. He says that if something goes wrong I'll want to get out of >the way rapidly and might trip on the rope/fence! > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Oct 27 07:14:12 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:14:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronnie Rally "Tie Down Them There Engins!!" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200410271414.i9REEI34011098@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> It was good to see you finally got your engine going Adam. There was almost too many engines too look at over the weekend. It is a great pity about the engine falling off the truck. I can imagine the sort of damage a drop like that would do to cast iron :( Thankfully, I towed my engine 200km with nothing worse than a blown trailer tire at Bendigo. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Oct 27 07:16:02 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:16:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] R-T Centenary Photos Message-ID: <200410271442.i9REgf5D039882@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I have finally had a chance to sort out my photos from the weekend (I wish there were a few more hours in a week). They can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc041.html Enjoy! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From George_Best at adp.com Wed Oct 27 07:54:16 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:54:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Sattley documentation Message-ID: What??????? Jeff don't let those Kerry supporters get you down. They always ignore the truth and don't like it when people have opposing views, especially if you have anything in writing contrary to their belief. Personally, I've found your website to be very informative and it would be a real loss to the engine community if it was removed. Don't throw away all the work you've done as it is appreciated by a lot of us. Next week at this time, hopefully sanity will have prevailed and we can concentrate on the really important things, like engine collecting, engine shows, and type of fencing to use. ;-) George ________________________________ From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:43 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list'; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: Sattley documentation Sorry all, I've had my fill. The world is flat, the sun revolves around the earth, and Montgomery Ward and Co. never built their own engines. All Sattleys where Field and Brundage or Nelson Bros. branded engines. The original catalogs I used in my research are all propaganda and I continue to disseminate these falsehoods. I will do so no longer. Not worth the battle, the flames, or the time and money I have spent. Evidence and citation be damned when there is hearsay to depend on. Am I an idiot? YES!! I tried to research and share information. Idiot 101 and now ready for 102. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ PS The "false information" will be offline by weeks end. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 27 07:54:21 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:54:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sattley documentation References: <003401c4bbd7$1fa61f80$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <003101c4bc34$d88c2140$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> That reminds me , anybody need a jug/hopper combo for an 8 horse Sattley ? I know where one is leaning up against a wall.............. NOS . From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Oct 27 13:42:49 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:42:49 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org document repository Message-ID: Some time ago, Bill Tremel and a few others created some scanned documents which related to engine manuals etc., and Jim Dunmyer provided space on Oldengine.org for their storage. The earliest files are 1998, the latest 2000. A file list is at the bottom of this email. The Documents folder has not been linked to the main menu for some time (if it ever was, I cannot find out) and it existence had almost been forgotten. As this was a useful resource for engine nuts, I propose to reinstate the access path so that the files are available again, subject to not receiving any objections from the 'owners' of the files (those guys who scanned them originally) An extra menu item will be added to the main Oldengine.org front page, access will be allowed by anyone, unless there is a general feeling that it should be password protected. Bill Tremel has signalled his OK on this in principal, and in the longer term we may be able to expand the facility to take in more information which I can take in and file for the site. Should we find that the facility is being abused, by copying the files and selling the resulting manual on ebay for example, then we will have to reconsider the access position. File Listing: 2215030 Feb 16 1999 Ball_xx_OM.pdf 4183690 Mar 20 2000 Bessemer_Ox_OM.pdf 8692 Mar 3 1999 book4.gif 8598310 Mar 19 1999 FM_32E_OM.pdf 893567 Nov 21 1998 FM_Z_OM.pdf 2232095 Mar 25 1999 gencolight_Add.pdf 2527574 Mar 25 1999 gencolight_OM.pdf 1222601 Oct 21 1998 IHC_LA_OM.pdf 3260 Oct 21 1998 Image1.jpg 5262 Mar 25 1999 index.htm 9890104 Nov 1 1998 Kohler_LP_OM.pdf 2058635 Oct 22 1998 Maytag_SM.pdf 4709 Mar 25 1999 no_java.htm 56 1390 Oct 21 1998 Nova_S_data.pdf 351966 Oct 21 1998 Nova_S_misc.pdf 351966 Oct 19 1998 Nova_S_OWS.pdf 502733 Nov 12 1998 OWSC_PB.pdf 3156346 Oct 21 1998 Reid_PM.pdf 1292647 Nov 21 1998 REO_WJx_OM.pdf 3414016 Mar 5 2000 StMary_data.pdf 6368 Mar 3 1999 title.gif 1450974 Oct 21 1998 Wico_EK_OM.pdf 963126 Feb 16 1999 Wico_OC_OM.pdf 1689486 Oct 21 1998 Witte_B_OM.pdf Input from interested parties welcomed, we reckon on doing this in a couple of weeks, in time for the Cabin Fever season! Peter From CraigB2 at aol.com Wed Oct 27 13:46:22 2004 From: CraigB2 at aol.com (CraigB2 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:46:22 EDT Subject: [SEL] Need Le Roi Information Message-ID: I have run across a single cylinder radiator cooled Le Roi. It has an external flywheel and mag. The head is square and appears to be a water jacket for the cyclinder. I did not get a real good look at it but there is a dealer or equipment tag attached. Any info on this type of engine, age, and Le Roi Co. would be appreciated. thanks Craig Buzzell Goleta CA From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Oct 27 13:54:30 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:54:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org document repository In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041027165127.02025188@mail.alltel.net> >Should we find that the facility is being abused, by copying the files and >selling the resulting manual on ebay for example, then we will have to >reconsider the access position. >Input from interested parties welcomed, we reckon on doing this in a couple of >weeks, in time for the Cabin Fever season! >Peter Hi Peter, Why the hell would you (or anyone else for that matter) care about someone selling copies on e-bay? Only a "control freak" would care about such things. I urge you to reconsider your position! Dave From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Oct 27 13:58:39 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:58:39 +0200 Subject: [SEL] R-T Centenary Photos References: <200410271442.i9REgf5D039882@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000b01c4bc67$bc479e00$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Great pics Patrick, overwelming those side shafts all around in that many quantities. The big ones look mighty, but for my self the 3-4- and 5 hp would fit in my engine shed with all the pleasure there is. Thanks for sharing, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web >I have finally had a chance to sort out my photos from the weekend (I wish > there were a few more hours in a week). They can be seen at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc041.html > > Enjoy! > > Patrick M Livingstone From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Oct 27 14:28:13 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:28:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org document repository In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041027165127.02025188@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041027165127.02025188@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:54:30 -0400, you wrote: > >>Should we find that the facility is being abused, by copying the files and >>selling the resulting manual on ebay for example, then we will have to >>reconsider the access position. >>Input from interested parties welcomed, we reckon on doing this in a couple of >>weeks, in time for the Cabin Fever season! >>Peter > >Hi Peter, > Why the hell would you (or anyone else for that matter) care about >someone selling copies on e-bay? Only a "control freak" would care about >such things. I urge you to reconsider your position! > Dave Hi Dave: It's something that has cropped up before, both on the Lists and on Harry's site, and I seem to recall a discussion on the SEL list in particular this year. If an engine enthusiast spends his or her time scanning manuals for the benefit of the hobby, and supplies them free for use by others, I don't think it is right that people should take that work and profit by selling it on ebay. I know that a lot of information is available in the USA under the Freedom of Information Act, and in principal I thoroughly applaud the Act and the principle, but the Act doesn't apply to the average collector/enthusiast who spends his own time and effort on producing something for the rest of us. There are a number of issues here, and I am following the general trend of comments made to me already on the subject, but would welcome further discussion/comment so that we can get a better view of the position. Peter From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Oct 27 17:05:38 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:05:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sorry, RE Sattley Message-ID: <000e01c4bc81$dba1e5c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Sorry I vented on everyone, but at times I feel I'm beating my head against a wall. I documented that Montgomery Ward and Co. did build engines for a time. This has been online for some time. http://oldengine.org/members/allen/Sattley/Catalog/FCinside.html It is very frustrating that many refuse to accept this, and continue to call them branded engines built by anther company. The link above goes to a reprint catalog I have online. I also have photocopies of the original obtained from the archives at the University of Wyoming. I make every effort to insure what I post is accurate. I will be taking some time off from this project. I need a break from it, and it shows doesn't it? Thanks for all the support. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ PS. All information will remain online. From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Oct 27 17:00:21 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:00:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] Hercules help Message-ID: <97.50d6eb95.2eb19095@aol.com> I have been contacted to come and look at a 6(?) hp Hercules/Economy/Sparta engine and to price it for sale. It has been described as an ignitor engine with battery and coil, no mag. The owner also stated that there is no known serial number tag on the top like most Economy/Hercules engines. So, from my limited knowledge and his descriptions I assume it may be a very early Hercules or maybe a Sparta engine, but just guessing at this time. Is there some where to look for a serial number or casting date on these early engines? Also, what distinguishing features should I look for to determine if Sparta versus Hercules? Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Oct 27 17:14:04 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:14:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org document repository References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041027165127.02025188@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001501c4bc83$0a6c8bc0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Peter, Dave, and list, This has been covered, and I even brought it up once. It is pointless to try to watermark or protect anything you put online. I have a lot of data online, and I gave up on trying to protect it. I did come up with a solution regarding e-bay. I browse e-bay daily. If I ever see any of my work for sale the solution is simple. Contact the bidders and point them to the free information that was stolen. If that ain't a good time, I don't know what is. Talk about bid retractions. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Oldengine.org document repository > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:54:30 -0400, you wrote: > >> >>>Should we find that the facility is being abused, by copying the files >>>and >>>selling the resulting manual on ebay for example, then we will have to >>>reconsider the access position. >>>Input from interested parties welcomed, we reckon on doing this in a >>>couple of >>>weeks, in time for the Cabin Fever season! >>>Peter >> >>Hi Peter, >> Why the hell would you (or anyone else for that matter) care >> about >>someone selling copies on e-bay? Only a "control freak" would care about >>such things. I urge you to reconsider your position! >> Dave > > Hi Dave: > > It's something that has cropped up before, both on the Lists and on > Harry's > site, and I seem to recall a discussion on the SEL list in particular this > year. > > If an engine enthusiast spends his or her time scanning manuals for the > benefit > of the hobby, and supplies them free for use by others, I don't think it > is > right that people should take that work and profit by selling it on ebay. > > I know that a lot of information is available in the USA under the Freedom > of > Information Act, and in principal I thoroughly applaud the Act and the > principle, but the Act doesn't apply to the average collector/enthusiast > who > spends his own time and effort on producing something for the rest of us. > > There are a number of issues here, and I am following the general trend of > comments made to me already on the subject, but would welcome further > discussion/comment so that we can get a better view of the position. > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Oct 27 20:01:00 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:01:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org document repository In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041027165127.02025188@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041027225240.0200a940@mail.alltel.net> >There are a number of issues here, and I am following the general trend of >comments made to me already on the subject, but would welcome further >discussion/comment so that we can get a better view of the position. >Peter Hi Peter, Yes, there are a number of issues here. But PRIMARY among them is that everything (at least MOST) that is in the "document repository" was copywrited at some point in time. Someone (that would be you and Bill) has now stolen it and now wants to CONTROL it's use. Dave PS, By the way who in the hell is this "we" who wants to "get a better view of the position?" PPS, DAMN, you sure have BALLS! PPPS, Are you a LIBERAL? From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Oct 27 23:34:11 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:34:11 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org document repository In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041027225240.0200a940@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041027165127.02025188@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041027225240.0200a940@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:01:00 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Peter, > Yes, there are a number of issues here. But PRIMARY among them is >that everything (at least MOST) that is in the "document repository" was >copywrited at some point in time. Someone (that would be you and Bill) has >now stolen it and now wants to CONTROL it's use. > Dave Hi Dave: Two emails from you in 24 hours, I must be getting privileged! :-)) I don't think it was 'stolen' in the sense you infer, as most was freely available in the USA under your FOI Act, my main concern was protecting the efforts of people who took THEIR time and trouble to make the information available for us all. >PS, By the way who in the hell is this "we" who wants to "get a better view >of the position?" Ah, the British Royal 'We', you Colonials got out of all that in 1776 didn't you? we'll have to get you guys educated again... >PPS, DAMN, you sure have BALLS! Two, last count, and they still work! >PPPS, Are you a LIBERAL? Probably more right-wing and conservative than even you... Peter From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Oct 28 04:45:28 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:45:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org document repository In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041027165127.02025188@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041027225240.0200a940@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041028074354.01ff9990@mail.alltel.net> > >PPPS, Are you a LIBERAL? >Probably more right-wing and conservative than even you... >Peter This is the saving grace. Have a good one! Dave PS, I hope that the documents stay safe from those who would mis-use them! From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Oct 28 05:04:58 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:04:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sorry, RE Sattley In-Reply-To: <000e01c4bc81$dba1e5c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> References: <000e01c4bc81$dba1e5c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <4180E06A.3070404@scrtc.com> Jeff, I would bet that they probably built them under some sort of licensing arrangement with a "parent" company. Field Brundage or another company may have owned the design/patent rights but allowed Sattley to build them under some sort of contract. I think this arrangement happened more than most of us think as there are so many engines out there that are almost identical..... but not quite. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Jeff Allen wrote: > Hello all, > > Sorry I vented on everyone, but at times I feel I'm beating my head against a wall. I documented that Montgomery Ward and Co. did build engines for a time. This has been online for some time. > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/Sattley/Catalog/FCinside.html > It is very frustrating that many refuse to accept this, and continue to call them branded engines built by anther company. The link above goes to a reprint catalog I have online. I also have photocopies of the original obtained from the archives at the University of Wyoming. I make every effort to insure what I post is accurate. I will be taking some time off from this project. I need a break from it, and it shows doesn't it? > > Thanks for all the support. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > > PS. All information will remain online. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Oct 28 06:20:27 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:20:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith (Beaufort Vic Aus) this weekend Message-ID: <4180F21B.5050505@steamengine.com.au> If any list members are at Lake Goldsmith this weekend and want to have a chat, I'll be in the Western District compound (near the camp showers). My mobile is 0413 023 445. Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Oct 28 08:15:21 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:15:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] R-T Centenary Photos In-Reply-To: <000b01c4bc67$bc479e00$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <200410281515.i9SFFPcf041818@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi John, The little ones are nice, I would not part with my 3.5hp for anything even though it weighs almost 1.5 tonnes. The little ones are quite sought after as they are much easier to transport to rallies than the big ones. I would like a big one as they have a great sounding exhaust note and are impressive to watch running. One day I might get hold of one... Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Great pics Patrick, overwelming those side shafts all around in that many quantities. The big ones look mighty, but for my self the 3-4- and 5 hp would fit in my engine shed with all the pleasure there is. Thanks for sharing, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From nancydick at keyconn.net Thu Oct 28 12:46:16 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:46:16 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Sorry, RE Sattley In-Reply-To: <4180E06A.3070404@scrtc.com> References: <000e01c4bc81$dba1e5c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <000e01c4bc81$dba1e5c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20041028114339.02901290@mail.keyconn.net> I have a question on the Sattley engine. I have one ser no. 51103 can some one date it for me. i have never seen the site that has been mention for them. Thanks R Fink PA At 08:04 AM 10/28/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Jeff, > > I would bet that they probably built them under some sort of > licensing arrangement with a "parent" company. Field Brundage or another > company may have owned the design/patent rights but allowed Sattley to > build them under some sort of contract. I think this arrangement > happened more than most of us think as there are so many engines out > there that are almost identical..... but not quite. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > > >Jeff Allen wrote: > >>Hello all, >>Sorry I vented on everyone, but at times I feel I'm beating my head >>against a wall. I documented that Montgomery Ward and Co. did build >>engines for a time. This has been online for some time. >>http://oldengine.org/members/allen/Sattley/Catalog/FCinside.html >>It is very frustrating that many refuse to accept this, and continue to >>call them branded engines built by anther company. The link above goes to >>a reprint catalog I have online. I also have photocopies of the original >>obtained from the archives at the University of Wyoming. I make every >>effort to insure what I post is accurate. I will be taking some time off >>from this project. I need a break from it, and it shows doesn't it? >>Thanks for all the support. >>Regards, >>Jeff Allen >>Arvada, Colorado USA >>http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ >>http://frapa.us/ >>PS. All information will remain online. >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From prepair at easynet.co.uk Thu Oct 28 06:10:52 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:10:52 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org document repository In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041028074354.01ff9990@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041027165127.02025188@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041027225240.0200a940@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041028074354.01ff9990@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:45:28 -0400, you wrote: > >> >PPPS, Are you a LIBERAL? >>Probably more right-wing and conservative than even you... >>Peter > >This is the saving grace. Have a good one! > Dave We'll certainly try! >PS, I hope that the documents stay safe from those who would mis-use them! It is our main concern, there are no other factors driving my original post. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Oct 28 14:09:44 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:09:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ray Hooley - change of email address Message-ID: Ray has gone onto broadband (ADSL) and his email has changed to: rehooley at tiscali.co.uk Ray's Ruston & Hornsby website has been updated to reflect this change. Peter From George_Best at adp.com Thu Oct 28 15:06:00 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:06:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Crossley Message-ID: Okay... Do we have any Crossley experts on this list or people with access to Crossley manuals/literature? In particular I'm looking for information on a 8hp Crossley TVO fuel open crankcase sideshaft engine made in 1916. I can make a deal on one, but it's a long distance deal and the seller isn't really a engine person, (more like a person that bought a large collection of stuff including engines that he is trying to sell). The pictures he has sent so far were out of focus and none showed any engine details that collectors like to see. George From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Oct 28 15:27:52 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:27:52 +0200 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Crossley References: Message-ID: <000401c4bd3d$5d69dc50$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi George, what type of engine are you talking about? I have access to manuals but need the type. Maybe the one you need is in the archieves. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Okay... Do we have any Crossley experts on this list or people with > access to Crossley manuals/literature? > > In particular I'm looking for information on a 8hp Crossley TVO fuel > open crankcase sideshaft engine made in 1916. > > I can make a deal on one, but it's a long distance deal and the seller > isn't really a engine person, (more like a person that bought a large > collection of stuff including engines that he is trying to sell). The > pictures he has sent so far were out of focus and none showed any engine > details that collectors like to see. > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Thu Oct 28 15:38:53 2004 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:08:53 +0930 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith Message-ID: <002501c4bd3f$07287de0$71b6fea9@SKitto> I will be at Lake Goldsmith on Saturday. For any that want to catch up or meet for the first time can contact on 0418806708 Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 28 15:54:07 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:54:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to a Carpenter O.T. Message-ID: <000801c4bd41$09c38930$210110ac@PaulMaples> I need to talk to a carpenter OFF LIST please. Thanks From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Oct 28 16:08:09 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:08:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sorry, RE Sattley References: <000e01c4bc81$dba1e5c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221><000e01c4bc81$dba1e5c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <4.2.0.58.20041028114339.02901290@mail.keyconn.net> Message-ID: <003b01c4bd42$fe40d750$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Richard, So far I have found no information to date Sattleys by serial number. I don't think there are any records available. :-( Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorry, RE Sattley >I have a question on the Sattley engine. I have one ser no. 51103 can some >one date it for me. i have never seen the site that has been mention for >them. > Thanks > R Fink > PA From galoway4 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 28 16:38:01 2004 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:38:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Power Unit Message-ID: <000e01c4bd47$300a5e10$28db5a42@jake> Purchased a John Deer power unit today. Anyone have information on 2 cylender J.D.power unit? S.N. 57089 Arthur Buchanan From EnginePaul at aol.com Thu Oct 28 21:00:26 2004 From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:00:26 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to a Carpenter O.T. Message-ID: <9e.1837abba.2eb31a5a@aol.com> I might be able to help; I was a contractor. Paul Johns From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 28 21:24:34 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:24:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith (Beaufort Vic Aus) this weekend Message-ID: Hi Paul, i will be in the middle compound near the shower block , just look for the yb stover make yourself known. David >From: Paul Pavlinovich >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: coals at steamengine.com.au, stationary-engine at oldengine.org, >sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith (Beaufort Vic Aus) this weekend >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:20:27 +1000 > >If any list members are at Lake Goldsmith this weekend and want to have a >chat, I'll be in the Western District compound (near the camp showers). > >My mobile is 0413 023 445. > >Paul >-- > >pjp at steamengine.com.au >Emerald, Victoria, Australia >www.steamengine.com.au > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Searching for that dream home? Try http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au for all your property needs. From falcon at telenet.net Thu Oct 28 21:29:39 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:29:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: [IHC Cub Cadet Tractors] Re: Tires & now bearings Message-ID: <013301c4bd6f$e8118ba0$885c14d0@net.telenet.net> Anyone talked to the folks at Tucker lately? One of the Cub guys is trying to find some tires... ----- Original Message ----- From: "T?gTeam" To: Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [IHC Cub Cadet Tractors] Re: Tires & now bearings -- Thanks for the response Tom. Now, where do I find the OEM part numbers for a Cubby 169? Now we get to see two emails with bathtubs! When I was inquiring about front tires, someone suggested Tucker Tire so I went to their site, looked at a Chevron tread tire and sent them an email two days ago - no response ;-( T.A. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Oct 28 21:55:31 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:55:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith (Beaufort Vic Aus) this weekend In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200410290455.i9T4tYtm030616@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Have a good weekend down there David. I will have to get down there next year as there are some nice engines too see. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Paul, i will be in the middle compound near the shower block , just look for the yb stover make yourself known. David From falcon at telenet.net Fri Oct 29 00:03:01 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 03:03:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT- Anyone looking for a Fire Engine??? OT Message-ID: <041301c4bd85$54b0f600$885c14d0@net.telenet.net> The FD I am a member of will be putting up for sale one of the older pump trucks. We replaced it with a newer unit and it is just collecting dust and rust now. It is a Lime Yellow '75-6 Ford Cab over (no pictures yet but it looks just like the retired engine 5 on this page. http://cnyfiretrucks.com/qr/ruralgrove.html Make an offer. Oh and if you want to see the toys I normally play with take a look at http://cnyfiretrucks.com/uv/vh.html The first station in VanHornesville is over 100 years old and is height limited. It was a blacksmiths shop and then a store. The second station in Starkville is the one I usually go out of. There are three trucks in each station. #1 has Rescue 507, Engine 159, Engine 156 #2 has Rescue 526, Engine 135, Engine 157( front pump is off in the picture, being re-sealed and tested) The retired engine 157 is still available but it hasn't been touched in two years. CHEAP... Steve Williams From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Oct 29 02:11:28 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:11:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: - change of email address References: Message-ID: <02c201c4bd97$468e9fc0$8a5eecdc@km> G'Day Peter When you get time will you please change my web URL on your other sites page to www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 All the best Kerry From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Oct 29 02:36:59 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:36:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Crossley References: Message-ID: <031201c4bd9a$d7113960$8a5eecdc@km> Our expert POMS may be able to shed more light on a VTO, the only references I have is for a Crossley VO which were a vertical oil (kero) hot buld 2 stroke not a side shaft sorry. Kerry PS sorry Peter I ment to send the last post off list > Okay... Do we have any Crossley experts on this list or people with > access to Crossley manuals/literature? > > In particular I'm looking for information on a 8hp Crossley TVO fuel > open crankcase sideshaft engine made in 1916. > > From cgandree at mchsi.com Fri Oct 29 04:08:24 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:08:24 +0000 Subject: [SEL] National engine info needed Message-ID: <102920041108.849.d84@mchsi.com> Trying to find info for a friend off list who has a National 12hp model "N" (Bill Young, Japan) is needing some help. thanks, Curt Andree From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Oct 29 04:36:54 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:36:54 +0800 Subject: [SEL] National engine info needed References: <102920041108.849.d84@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <002f01c4bdab$9ae14b90$a2a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> How is Bill, Curt ..still working on the National .He was very helpful in regards to our Trusty Engine, they have one in the Tokyo museum. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL list" Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 7:08 PM Subject: [SEL] National engine info needed > Trying to find info for a friend off list who has a National 12hp model "N" > (Bill Young, Japan) is needing some help. > thanks, > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Oct 29 06:39:38 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:39:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories Message-ID: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> After seeing what remains of the original Ronaldson-Tippett factory last weekend I am curious as to which other engine manufacturers factories are still standing. I know that part of the Rosebery factory here in Sydney is still there as is the Fuller & Johnson factory in Madison and the Root & Van Dervoort factory in East Moline. Who else has survived? Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From George_Best at adp.com Fri Oct 29 07:48:18 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:48:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Power Unit Message-ID: Arthur, Need more information than it is 2 cylinder ;-) The LUC power unit is a vertical two cylinder like used on the LA tractor. The W power unit is a horizontal two cylinder like the Model D tractor. I'm no JD expert so there may be other two cylinder power units JD sold. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Arthur Buchanan > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 4:38 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Power Unit > > Purchased a John Deer power unit today. Anyone have > information on 2 cylender J.D.power unit? S.N. 57089 > > Arthur Buchanan > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Fri Oct 29 07:58:26 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:58:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tale of Two Tangye's Message-ID: Kerry, Congrats on the Tangye's!! I saw one running at a collector's home in Holland when Harry and I did our EHOWT. I was more impressed with the Tangye and liked it better than the Blackstones which some collectors prefer. So if you get tired of tripping over that extra Tangye you could crate it up and ship it to me ;-) (got to keep my European engine collection growing) George Ps... I know this is posting is a bit late, but I've been busy working ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 5:17 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Tale of Two Tangye's > > G'day All > Last year after looking for one for a while I purchased an > English Tangye 5hp side shaft at an aution, it was in rough > condition with many parts having to be cast and also having > to be resleaved. new rings etc. From curt at imc-group.com Fri Oct 29 08:22:58 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:22:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <41826052.80800@imc-group.com> Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >After seeing what remains of the original Ronaldson-Tippett factory last >weekend I am curious as to which other engine manufacturers factories are >still standing. I know that part of the Rosebery factory here in Sydney is >still there as is the Fuller & Johnson factory in Madison and the Root & Van >Dervoort factory in East Moline. Who else has survived? > > > > Patrick, Nice thread idea! I have seen: The Hercules factory in Evansville, IN The Emerson Brantingham offices in Waynesoboro, PA (now an apartment building) The Geiser works next door in Waynesboro, PA The Frick Factory nearby. (still in business) The Landis factory nearby. (still in business) The remains of Abenaque works in Westminster Station, VT Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Oct 29 08:42:55 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:42:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories Message-ID: The building where the Sparta Economy engines were made in Sparta, Michigan is still standing. Not sure what they are making in there now. Also some of the Rumely Oil Pull buildings still stand in LaPorte, Indiana. Some have been torn down but a few still remain. I was able to grab a couple bricks off the ground when I was in LaPorte a couple years ago. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" , >"Stationary Engine Mailing List" >Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories >Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:39:38 +1000 > >After seeing what remains of the original Ronaldson-Tippett factory last >weekend I am curious as to which other engine manufacturers factories are >still standing. I know that part of the Rosebery factory here in Sydney is >still there as is the Fuller & Johnson factory in Madison and the Root & >Van >Dervoort factory in East Moline. Who else has survived? > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kkinney at herculesengines.com Fri Oct 29 08:55:02 2004 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:55:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041029104739.021b5f88@mail.herculesengines.com> We are lucky here in Evansville that most all of the original Hercules factory buildings are still standing. We were able to tour the engine and foundry buildings a few years ago. It is being used for warehousing now. The two cupola's are still in the building. The work "Hercules" is still visible in the brickwork above the foundry. Pictures can be seen here: http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/HerculesFactory/Default.htm One of our other engine factories in town was torn down about 15 years ago in a redevelopment project. It was for the Clarke Marine Motor's Company. Keith From Vivas1993 at aol.com Fri Oct 29 10:59:44 2004 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:59:44 EDT Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories Message-ID: In Oil City, PA. part of the Oil City Boiler works factory is still standing, as is most of the factory where National Transit engines were built. The Blaisdell factory in Bradford, PA. is still standing, I'm pretty sure it's now home to Zippo Lighters. These 3 factories all produced oil field engines, & related equipment. In Ohio, I think a small part of the Foos factory may still survive. A large part of that factory was still standing a few years ago, but a collapse of some roof beams caused a big part of the building to fall. I think they demolished most of what was still standing. Hope a few more factories are still around ! Dwight From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Oct 29 14:18:41 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 07:18:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories References: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <046c01c4bdfc$de2d8570$8a5eecdc@km> Patrick don't forget Southern Cross in Towoomba is still operating today. Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 29 14:21:13 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:21:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories References: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <41826052.80800@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003801c4bdfd$383576e0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> The former "Witte" factory building is still standing here in Kansas City, although the foundry was torn down many years ago. Interestingly, the Witte building is a rather shabby little wood frame structure, not even close to the grand Brick and Mortar edifice that is represented in and on the cover of several of the original Witte Catalogs. Of course Witte, along with many if not most of the engine sellers of the day, played fast and loose with the facts when trying to make their company appear to be of long standing and solid stature. Many of them would claim to have been in the engine business for periods of time that at the would have had them building engines long before engines came into regular use. A lot of "Vender", or mail order operations, would buy out a failed engine manufacturer, then use the history of that failed company to mask the fact that they them selves were not actually building engines, but selling someone else's product under license. A little slippery, but it sure looked "Grand" in the catalog. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Surviving Factories > Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >>After seeing what remains of the original Ronaldson-Tippett factory last >>weekend I am curious as to which other engine manufacturers factories are >>still standing. I know that part of the Rosebery factory here in Sydney is >>still there as is the Fuller & Johnson factory in Madison and the Root & >>Van >>Dervoort factory in East Moline. Who else has survived? >> >> >> > Patrick, > Nice thread idea! > > I have seen: > The Hercules factory in Evansville, IN > The Emerson Brantingham offices in Waynesoboro, PA (now an apartment > building) > The Geiser works next door in Waynesboro, PA > The Frick Factory nearby. (still in business) > The Landis factory nearby. (still in business) > The remains of Abenaque works in Westminster Station, VT > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Oct 29 14:27:51 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:27:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org document repository In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041027165127.02025188@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041027225240.0200a940@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <63767078-29F1-11D9-8E59-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > I don't think it was 'stolen' in the sense you infer, as most was > freely > available in the USA under your FOI Act, The Freedom of Information Act is something that applies only to obtaining US Government documents. The US has quite a robust copyright law, but it's up to the copyright owner to enforce it. And registering a copyright on a document is a great help in doing so. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From diesel at easynet.co.uk Fri Oct 29 14:45:42 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:45:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] National engine info needed In-Reply-To: <102920041108.849.d84@mchsi.com> References: <102920041108.849.d84@mchsi.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:08:24 +0000, you wrote: >Trying to find info for a friend off list who has a National 12hp model "N" >(Bill Young, Japan) is needing some help. >thanks, >Curt Andree Hi Curt: I have a bale of fragrant woodshavings on my desk.... :-)) AND, I have National Horizontal Oil Engines "N" Series erection (!) and maintenance, including spare parts list. What info does Bill require? From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 29 14:47:57 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:47:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories References: Message-ID: <006101c4be00$f4c2c8a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Racine WIsc is one more shy again My local CCTx paper had the story , said they were going to reuse every brick . http://www.jsonline.com/bym/news/jul04/246773.asp Built in 1913, the plant produced 920,000 tractors in its 89 years of operation " The property provides an opportunity "to create a substantial new development that would blend well with nearby residential, open space, and public uses " Chuck? From EnginePaul at aol.com Fri Oct 29 16:25:23 2004 From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:25:23 EDT Subject: [SEL] Firbanks - Morse generator Message-ID: I got this from another list: "Fairbanks : it a complete looking old generator set looks like a DC generator F/M 4 cyl still has a magneto the yard is Brookside auto wrecking in orange Massachusetts 1-800-245-1229 if they ask where it is tell them is down by the riverbank near the truck bed with the aluminum mags in it " I though it might be worth a look to someone near there. Paul From cjclem at sysim.net Fri Oct 29 16:40:46 2004 From: cjclem at sysim.net (Jack) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:40:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Big Engine for Halloween ( 160 hp ) Message-ID: <1099093246.4182d4fe55c36@webmail.sysim.net> < http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=63945&item=3848570678&rd=1 > From MBellar at aol.com Fri Oct 29 16:59:47 2004 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:59:47 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cushman Reaper Engine Message-ID: Hi List; I recently purchased a Cushman reaper engine at a farm auction. The engine is mechanically in great condition and complete except for the cooling tank and screen. There is little or no paint left on the engine castings. What is there appears to be loose flat black paint or hardened grease. Does anybody know what the correct color is and where I might find a reproduction cooling tank and screen? I also have a Waterloo look a like manufactured by George B. Miller and Son (page 308 in the big red book). It also is in need of a coat of paint. The cement mixer that the engine was mounted upon has traces of light green (vomit green) paint that would look good on a Dave modified Maytag. I have seen repainted red and green Waterloo boys at shows. Any thoughts on the correct color for this engine would be appreciated. Thank you for any help; Tom Bellar From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Oct 29 17:54:32 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:54:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: <003801c4bdfd$383576e0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <41826052.80800@imc-group.com> <003801c4bdfd$383576e0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041029205229.01f235a8@mail.alltel.net> >Of course Witte, along with many if not most of the engine sellers of the >day, played fast and loose with the facts >Ted Brookover Hi Ted, Are you saying that the Witte Company was controlled by a bunch of LIBERALS? Dave From peter at loud-n-clear.net Fri Oct 29 19:16:01 2004 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 03:16:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: In message <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377 at b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>, Patrick M Livingstone writes >After seeing what remains of the original Ronaldson-Tippett factory last >weekend I am curious as to which other engine manufacturers factories are >still standing. I know that part of the Rosebery factory here in Sydney is >still there as is the Fuller & Johnson factory in Madison and the Root & Van >Dervoort factory in East Moline. Who else has survived? > About fifteen miles from me, in Shrewsbury, is the Sentinel Works where Sentinel steam lorries were made. I believe that the factory is now occupied by Vickers Aerospace, but the original Sentinel, a life-sized Crusader figure, still stands in his niche above the factory entrance, hands clasped on the pommel of his sword... http://www.astbury.org/photos/steam/sentinel.htm for some of Sentinel's machinery. Also http://www.eates.org/horse02.html and, for the Crusader himself, http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ejones/tony/sentinels/sn02.jpeg Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From ELIDAS at aol.com Fri Oct 29 19:34:23 2004 From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:34:23 EDT Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories Message-ID: <145.376c8b77.2eb457af@aol.com> The Coldwell factory still exists in Newburgh, New York. I believe they make (or made) handbags in it, Mike Semanoff Waterbury,CT From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Oct 25 05:52:25 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:52:25 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Stringy Bark Festival - Rally Report References: <417CE20D.1030300@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <000d01c4ba91$7a7cf3d0$6b856ad5@no1> Hi Paul, Everything with "www.steamengine.com.au" comes up as unavailable. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:22 PM Subject: [SEL] Stringy Bark Festival - Rally Report > On 23rd and 24th of October, the Stringy Bark festival was on in Knox at > the Rowville Community Centre. This a small regional show with animals, > rides, bazaar/fete stalls, food stalls and loads of engines. Saturday > was damp (good thing I did not go - I was in Ballarat) but on the day of > my attendance, Sunday, the sun was out and we had a great day for it. > Emerald & District Vintage Machinery Group and MSTEC put on displays of > stationary engine and steam engines. The food, while good and in great > variety was disappointing in that they were charging closed-venue > prices. $3.50 for a can of drink! For the most part the show was > excellent and a nice relaxed rally for the respective clubs where a > little fun could be had. I got the Ottawa running (finally) with help > from club mates (thanks!). The weekend was marred when one of our older > members was taken sick and went to hospital. The show organisers fell > over themselves to be helpful. > > http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/stringy-bark-2004/index.html > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Fri Oct 29 22:13:47 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:13:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories Message-ID: <004201c4be3f$3c5be910$8a63fea9@sweeper> When I was in England last year I paid a visit to the Lister complex in Dursley, however I understand that it may be closing or has closed by now. Ron From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Oct 29 22:27:17 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:27:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories References: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><41826052.80800@imc-group.com> <003801c4bdfd$383576e0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <005e01c4be41$22acacf0$4b83fb40@gary> Hi Ted, Where is the old Witte building located? Is it in the area that lies between downtown KC, MO and KC, KS? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Brookover" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Surviving Factories > The former "Witte" factory building is still standing here in Kansas City, > although the foundry was torn down many years ago. > > Interestingly, the Witte building is a rather shabby little wood frame > structure, not even close to the grand Brick and Mortar edifice that is > represented in and on the cover of several of the original Witte Catalogs. > > Of course Witte, along with many if not most of the engine sellers of the > day, played fast and loose with the facts when trying to make their company > appear to be of long standing and solid stature. > > Many of them would claim to have been in the engine business for periods of > time that at the would have had them building engines long before engines > came into regular use. > > A lot of "Vender", or mail order operations, would buy out a failed engine > manufacturer, then use the history of that failed company to mask the fact > that they them selves were not actually building engines, but selling > someone else's product under license. > > A little slippery, but it sure looked "Grand" in the catalog. > Ted Brookover > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > 816-763-3142 > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:22 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Surviving Factories > > > > Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > > > >>After seeing what remains of the original Ronaldson-Tippett factory last > >>weekend I am curious as to which other engine manufacturers factories are > >>still standing. I know that part of the Rosebery factory here in Sydney is > >>still there as is the Fuller & Johnson factory in Madison and the Root & > >>Van > >>Dervoort factory in East Moline. Who else has survived? > >> > >> > >> > > Patrick, > > Nice thread idea! > > > > I have seen: > > The Hercules factory in Evansville, IN > > The Emerson Brantingham offices in Waynesoboro, PA (now an apartment > > building) > > The Geiser works next door in Waynesboro, PA > > The Frick Factory nearby. (still in business) > > The Landis factory nearby. (still in business) > > The remains of Abenaque works in Westminster Station, VT > > > > Curt Holland > > Gastonia, NC > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Oct 30 01:54:35 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:54:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Stringy Bark Festival - Rally Report References: <417CE20D.1030300@steamengine.com.au> <000d01c4ba91$7a7cf3d0$6b856ad5@no1> Message-ID: <001001c4be5e$14c64d40$6b856ad5@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Stringy Bark Festival - Rally Report > Hi Paul, Everything with "www.steamengine.com.au" comes up as unavailable. After a nights sleep it works fine now. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From oldengin at udata.com Sat Oct 30 02:09:52 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 05:09:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: <41826DFB.6040609@udata.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041029104739.021b5f88@mail.herculesengines.com> <41826DFB.6040609@udata.com> Message-ID: <41835A60.10309@udata.com> Leroy C. wrote: > The Buckeye, to many disbelief's, was built in Findlay Ohio at Garwood > and this building is still standing. I have been in it many times and > still know o few fellers that worked in it. > Funny, I would like to see some pics of these old buildings as it is a bit of history you hardly ever hear about. -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Oct 30 02:10:34 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:10:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Big Engine for Halloween ( 160 hp ) References: <1099093246.4182d4fe55c36@webmail.sysim.net> Message-ID: <000e01c4be60$502b4f50$6b856ad5@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" To: Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 12:40 AM Subject: [SEL] Big Engine for Halloween ( 160 hp ) > < http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&category=63945&item=3848570678&rd=1 > Hi Jack, I cannot get your address to work but this seems to get there. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3848570678 Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Oct 30 02:31:55 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:31:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] National engine info needed Message-ID: <103020040931.25867.1c8e@mchsi.com> Hi Peter, Thankyou very much and sent word to Bill Young, I am sure he will be contacting you soon. Curt Andree > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:08:24 +0000, you wrote: > > >Trying to find info for a friend off list who has a National 12hp model "N" > >(Bill Young, Japan) is needing some help. > >thanks, > >Curt Andree > > Hi Curt: > > I have a bale of fragrant woodshavings on my desk.... :-)) > > AND, I have National Horizontal Oil Engines "N" Series erection (!) and > maintenance, including spare parts list. > > What info does Bill require? > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Oct 30 02:40:50 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:40:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] National engine info needed In-Reply-To: <103020040931.25867.1c8e@mchsi.com> References: <103020040931.25867.1c8e@mchsi.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:31:55 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Peter, >Thankyou very much and sent word to Bill Young, I am sure he will be >contacting you soon. >Curt Andree Glad to be of assistance. Peter From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Oct 30 02:48:27 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:48:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories Message-ID: <103020040948.28040.7cfe@mchsi.com> Hi Patrick, Many of the orginal Stover Manf Co., Rawliegh, Fairbanks Morse & Leroy buildings are still standing in Freeport, Illinois and still being utilized by other companies today. Curt Andree > Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > > >After seeing what remains of the original Ronaldson-Tippett factory last > >weekend I am curious as to which other engine manufacturers factories are > >still standing. I know that part of the Rosebery factory here in Sydney is > >still there as is the Fuller & Johnson factory in Madison and the Root & Van > >Dervoort factory in East Moline. Who else has survived? > > > > > > > > > Patrick, > Nice thread idea! > > I have seen: > The Hercules factory in Evansville, IN > The Emerson Brantingham offices in Waynesoboro, PA (now an apartment > building) > The Geiser works next door in Waynesboro, PA > The Frick Factory nearby. (still in business) > The Landis factory nearby. (still in business) > The remains of Abenaque works in Westminster Station, VT > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paul at semidiesel.com Sat Oct 30 03:32:25 2004 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:32:25 +0100 Subject: [SEL] National engine info needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This sounds more like an N Type Gas/PP rather than the N series which were later and larger diesel engines. The Anson has an N type gas engine on display. We have P type oil and gas engines (oil engine is not running yet), the P type gas engine being 18hp. Not a lot of paper available, I think Geoff has an instruction sheet. Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. -----Original Message----- From: Peter A Forbes [mailto:diesel at easynet.co.uk] Sent: 30 October 2004 10:41 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] National engine info needed On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:31:55 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Peter, >Thankyou very much and sent word to Bill Young, I am sure he will be >contacting you soon. >Curt Andree Glad to be of assistance. Peter _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/04 From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Oct 30 03:50:19 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:50:19 +0000 Subject: [SEL] National engine info needed Message-ID: <103020041050.20928.386f@mchsi.com> Hi Peter, No sooner then you hungup talking with Dave Croft he called me and we just finished a 45min conversation via SKPE. Have you considered hooking up to this free service so you can better communicate with other engine folks all over the world for free???? Check out the site: I know I would enjoy chating with you from time to time.... Curt > On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:31:55 +0000, you wrote: > > >Hi Peter, > >Thankyou very much and sent word to Bill Young, I am sure he will be > >contacting you soon. > >Curt Andree > > Glad to be of assistance. > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Oct 30 04:12:11 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:12:11 +0100 Subject: [SEL] National engine info needed In-Reply-To: <103020041050.20928.386f@mchsi.com> References: <103020041050.20928.386f@mchsi.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:50:19 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Peter, >No sooner then you hungup talking with Dave Croft he called me and we just >finished a 45min conversation via SKPE. Have you considered hooking up to >this free service so you can better communicate with other engine folks all >over the world for free???? Check out the site: I know I >would enjoy chating with you from time to time.... >Curt Hi Curt: Dave is an inveterate natterer! :-)) I think the calls are at local rate or if you are on broadband they are free. I may give it a try, but we generally prefer email as we don't have the free time to spend on the 'phone, much as it sounds like a good idea. While we spend a fair time on the computer (we have three home and two work PC's networked here) a lot of the time we are not here, either being at work or on the road. We have email contact with the Lists both here and at work, so we generally get most emailling done before we get home. Dave did say he was going to have a chat with you, sounds like it was a good one. Peter From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Oct 30 04:13:01 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:13:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] National engine info needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:32:25 +0100, you wrote: >This sounds more like an N Type Gas/PP rather than the N series which were later and larger diesel >engines. > >The Anson has an N type gas engine on display. We have P type oil and gas engines (oil engine is not >running yet), the P type gas engine being 18hp. > >Not a lot of paper available, I think Geoff has an instruction sheet. > >Paul I have no way of telling, it is unfortunate that National made two 'N' engine series. Once Bill Young gets in touch we will know for sure. Peter From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Oct 30 04:40:42 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:40:42 +0000 Subject: [SEL] National engine info needed Message-ID: <103020041140.29679.6d27@mchsi.com> Hi Peter, Yes, Dave loves to talk...believe him to a bit on the lonely side being strapped to taking care of ailing wife don't you think? Any way I don't have skype turned on all the time at work because of too many interuptions. Hope you can help Bill Young. Curt > On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:50:19 +0000, you wrote: > > >Hi Peter, > >No sooner then you hungup talking with Dave Croft he called me and we just > >finished a 45min conversation via SKPE. Have you considered hooking up to > >this free service so you can better communicate with other engine folks all > >over the world for free???? Check out the site: I know I > >would enjoy chating with you from time to time.... > >Curt > > Hi Curt: > > Dave is an inveterate natterer! :-)) > > I think the calls are at local rate or if you are on broadband they are free. > > I may give it a try, but we generally prefer email as we don't have the free > time to spend on the 'phone, much as it sounds like a good idea. While we spend > a fair time on the computer (we have three home and two work PC's networked > here) a lot of the time we are not here, either being at work or on the road. We > have email contact with the Lists both here and at work, so we generally get > most emailling done before we get home. > > Dave did say he was going to have a chat with you, sounds like it was a good > one. > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pcgray at zoominternet.net Sat Oct 30 04:43:23 2004 From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 07:43:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Surviving engine factories In-Reply-To: <200410301000.i9UA0Kme011168@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: The American Railroad Appliance Company (ARACO) building is still standing in Oil City PA on Seneca st. It is now a paint store and a sheet metal shop. Prior to that the occupants told me it was a refinery. I visited this spring and it was neat to see the inside of it. Here in Newark, DE, the American Machine Works, who made the "Denny" Hot air engine is on Cleveland ave. It is now apartments but you can see the size of the complex. At one time, it was a bowling alley. It butts up against an abandoned railroad spur. In Wilmington, DE, the FF Sloccomb Co is still there. They made the "wilmington" Hot air engine of Denny design. I forget which came first, the Wilmington or the Denny. Paul Gray Northeast MD From paul at semidiesel.com Sat Oct 30 04:54:44 2004 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:54:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] National engine info needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I have no way of telling, it is unfortunate that National made two 'N' engine series. They didn't really. They made a range of petrol, petrol/paraffin, gas that were lettered. M, N, P etc so the letter does describe the engine type/size. The N "Series" are really NX, NV etc as opposed to just N depending on their horsepower(call me picky) :-) Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/04 From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Oct 30 06:19:53 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:19:53 +0100 Subject: [SEL] National engine info needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:54:44 +0100, you wrote: >> I have no way of telling, it is unfortunate that National made two 'N' engine >series. > >They didn't really. > >They made a range of petrol, petrol/paraffin, gas that were lettered. M, N, P etc so the letter does >describe the engine type/size. > >The N "Series" are really NX, NV etc as opposed to just N depending on their horsepower(call me >picky) :-) > >Paul Looks like we struck lucky, Bill advises that the engine is a 'hot-bulb' of some kind with no magneto. I have scanned the front page of the manual to see if it compares OK with his engine. Peter From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Oct 30 06:43:42 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:43:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: <003801c4bdfd$383576e0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <41826052.80800@imc-group.com> <003801c4bdfd$383576e0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <41839A8E.7050105@scrtc.com> I'm really enjoying this thread as its a part of the old iron history that tends to be forgotten. I think this would make a great GEM article. The old Hagan factory was torn down about 25 years ago. I was fortunate to have gone in it before it met the wrecking ball. The old building looked exactly as it did during the engine building days. The "second" home of Hagan is still standing. Hagan sold out in 1917 to Saunier Brothers of Lexington. Saunier sold Hagan engines after they acquired the company but they were primarily constructed from the left over parts, rebuilds, etc. The Saunier buildings still stand in Lexington and look like they did 100 years ago. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Ted Brookover wrote: > The former "Witte" factory building is still standing here in Kansas > City, > although the foundry was torn down many years ago. > From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 30 07:43:09 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:43:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories References: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><41826052.80800@imc-group.com><003801c4bdfd$383576e0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <005e01c4be41$22acacf0$4b83fb40@gary> Message-ID: <003001c4be8e$c6ed9930$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> No Gary, it is on the east side at about 16th and Oakland, the last time I was down there it was ocuppied by the Arrow Forklift Co. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Surviving Factories > Hi Ted, > > Where is the old Witte building located? Is it in the area that lies > between downtown KC, MO and KC, KS? > > Gary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ted Brookover" > To: "Stationary Engine List" > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Surviving Factories > > >> The former "Witte" factory building is still standing here in Kansas >> City, >> although the foundry was torn down many years ago. >> >> Interestingly, the Witte building is a rather shabby little wood frame >> structure, not even close to the grand Brick and Mortar edifice that is >> represented in and on the cover of several of the original Witte >> Catalogs. >> >> Of course Witte, along with many if not most of the engine sellers of the >> day, played fast and loose with the facts when trying to make their > company >> appear to be of long standing and solid stature. >> >> Many of them would claim to have been in the engine business for periods > of >> time that at the would have had them building engines long before engines >> came into regular use. >> >> A lot of "Vender", or mail order operations, would buy out a failed >> engine >> manufacturer, then use the history of that failed company to mask the > fact >> that they them selves were not actually building engines, but selling >> someone else's product under license. >> >> A little slippery, but it sure looked "Grand" in the catalog. >> Ted Brookover >> 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. >> Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 >> 816-763-3142 >> ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ >> Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm >> >> This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Curt" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:22 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Surviving Factories >> >> >> > Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >> > >> >>After seeing what remains of the original Ronaldson-Tippett factory >> >>last >> >>weekend I am curious as to which other engine manufacturers factories > are >> >>still standing. I know that part of the Rosebery factory here in Sydney > is >> >>still there as is the Fuller & Johnson factory in Madison and the Root >> >>& >> >>Van >> >>Dervoort factory in East Moline. Who else has survived? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Patrick, >> > Nice thread idea! >> > >> > I have seen: >> > The Hercules factory in Evansville, IN >> > The Emerson Brantingham offices in Waynesoboro, PA (now an apartment >> > building) >> > The Geiser works next door in Waynesboro, PA >> > The Frick Factory nearby. (still in business) >> > The Landis factory nearby. (still in business) >> > The remains of Abenaque works in Westminster Station, VT >> > >> > Curt Holland >> > Gastonia, NC >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 30 09:00:48 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:00:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories References: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <41826052.80800@imc-group.com><003801c4bdfd$383576e0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <41839A8E.7050105@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000201c4be99$cbd20930$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Here are some pics of engine related building from Kansas city's past. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/sign.html Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Surviving Factories > I'm really enjoying this thread as its a part of the old iron history that > tends to be forgotten. I think this would make a great GEM article. The > old Hagan factory was torn down about 25 years ago. I was fortunate to > have gone in it before it met the wrecking ball. The old building looked > exactly as it did during the engine building days. The "second" home of > Hagan is still standing. Hagan sold out in 1917 to Saunier Brothers of > Lexington. Saunier sold Hagan engines after they acquired the company but > they were primarily constructed from the left over parts, rebuilds, etc. > The Saunier buildings still stand in Lexington and look like they did 100 > years ago. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Ted Brookover wrote: > >> The former "Witte" factory building is still standing here in Kansas >> City, >> although the foundry was torn down many years ago. >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From shop at cccomm.net Sat Oct 30 14:31:24 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:31:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Yellow herc Message-ID: <034a01c4bec7$d03fada0$6501a8c0@Shop> Check out the yellow Hercules. It still needs more paint. Bobs is back together and runs. All the tinkering is done and he will disassemble it and paint it to match mine. We are thinking about either red or black pinstriping, but haven't decided yet. What would look best? We are going to paint the pushrod and trip mechanism gloss black, so maybe red would stand out the best? Dave http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009545&a=31299772&p=69933702&f=0 From mtucker at uky.edu Sat Oct 30 15:11:52 2004 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 18:11:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: <41839A8E.7050105@scrtc.com> References: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <41826052.80800@imc-group.com> <003801c4bdfd$383576e0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <41839A8E.7050105@scrtc.com> Message-ID: >The Saunier buildings still stand in Lexington and look like they >did 100 years ago. Tommy, Where in Lexington are the Saunier buildings? Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From galoway4 at earthlink.net Sat Oct 30 15:32:31 2004 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 17:32:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Power Unit References: Message-ID: <002301c4bed0$5eaa2360$d7d35a42@jake> Hello George: Thanks for the note/This power unit is the same as in the tractor LA. It is a neat sutup.has a transmission on the back side with the power take off on the left side.The pto runs from front to back. pully wheel in back and chain sproket in front, has a speed changer shift at front along the right side with a lever that operates a through out bearing The front being the radiator. May have come off of some early type combine Thanks Arthur buchanan ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 9:48 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Power Unit > Arthur, > > Need more information than it is 2 cylinder ;-) > > The LUC power unit is a vertical two cylinder like used on the LA > tractor. > The W power unit is a horizontal two cylinder like the Model D tractor. > > I'm no JD expert so there may be other two cylinder power units JD sold. > > George > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > Arthur Buchanan > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 4:38 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] Power Unit > > > > Purchased a John Deer power unit today. Anyone have > > information on 2 cylender J.D.power unit? S.N. 57089 > > > > Arthur Buchanan > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Oct 30 18:07:33 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:07:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Yellow herc References: <034a01c4bec7$d03fada0$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <000601c4bee6$01258c50$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Needs a lot more paint. Red or black are fine as long as it covers the yellow. I've seen the inside of diapers with a better color and the puke factor was the same when I saw your picture. That engine deserves better. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "Engine List" Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 3:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Yellow herc Check out the yellow Hercules. It still needs more paint. Bobs is back together and runs. All the tinkering is done and he will disassemble it and paint it to match mine. We are thinking about either red or black pinstriping, but haven't decided yet. What would look best? We are going to paint the pushrod and trip mechanism gloss black, so maybe red would stand out the best? Dave http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009545&a=31299772&p=69933702&f=0 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sleis at mwt.net Sat Oct 30 20:04:05 2004 From: sleis at mwt.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:04:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Alamo engine References: <004101c4bbce$ee9229f0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <000f01c4bef6$48e4c140$1055becf@computer> Hi everyone Thank you Bill for the info, is there a web site that tells how to poure the babbit bearings? Stacy :-) From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Oct 30 18:58:10 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 21:58:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: References: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <41826052.80800@imc-group.com> <003801c4bdfd$383576e0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <41839A8E.7050105@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <418446B2.2020607@scrtc.com> Mike, They're about 2 blocks from Rupp Arena. If you are US 27 going away from Rupp, turn left on 2nd St., then the next left will be Saunier St. You'll see all the old Saunier Buildings on the right. Unless they've taken it down in the last 6 months, there will be a sign that says "Saunier Brothers Iron Works". A great grandson of the Saunier's owns the place now and rents out a portion of it to stable the horses for the Lexington carriage rides. Another portion of it is an art studio I think. The very end of it, the part nearest Rupp, is much like it was in the Hagan days complete with old lineshaft machinery. I would guess eventually the buildings will be sold as the real estate has to be worth some big $$$$. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Michael Tucker wrote: >> The Saunier buildings still stand in Lexington and look like they did >> 100 years ago. > > > Tommy, > > Where in Lexington are the Saunier buildings? > > Mike From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 30 16:30:18 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 18:30:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Norton Problem O.T. Message-ID: <007001c4bed8$6d03de80$210110ac@PaulMaples> Hey gang I was doing a "Live Update" on my recently repaired computer that my grandsons use and I got a Red X indicating something needed attention and I discovered that the "Intrusion Detection" was OFF. I tried to turn it on and got this message: "Failed to save settings. Please verify that your windows account is not restricted" I went to Internet tools and then to security and there was no sites listed in the restricted box. Tried rebooting and no help, still off and I cannot turn it on. If anyone can help me please RESPOND OFF LIST. Thanks Paul From bill at antique-engines.com Sat Oct 30 20:37:16 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 22:37:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c4befa$ec8f1d00$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> I've not read ALL of the posts in this thread, so maybe this has been broached (ouch, there is a sore topic) already.... Can someone take all of this FANTASTIC!! Information and put it up on oldengine.org like as a subset of pages, or on one page, or whatever? This is fascenating, and it might be cool if I win the lottery to be able to take such info and just go around the globe visiting these old places! Keep 'em coming! Amazingly on topic, too! :-) Bill Runnells, Iowa bill at antique-engines.com www.antique-engines.com -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tucker Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 5:12 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Surviving Factories >The Saunier buildings still stand in Lexington and look like they >did 100 years ago. Tommy, Where in Lexington are the Saunier buildings? Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Sat Oct 30 20:42:00 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 22:42:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Alamo engine In-Reply-To: <000f01c4bef6$48e4c140$1055becf@computer> Message-ID: <000501c4befb$95ede0c0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> There are probably others, but Ken provided me the info and I was more than happy to post it at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/billd/bearing.htm Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Stacy Leis Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 10:04 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Alamo engine Hi everyone Thank you Bill for the info, is there a web site that tells how to poure the babbit bearings? Stacy :-) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Oct 30 21:04:55 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:04:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: <000201c4befa$ec8f1d00$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> References: <000201c4befa$ec8f1d00$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <06237A30-2AF2-11D9-A520-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > Keep 'em coming! Amazingly on topic, too! :-) Yeah. Nobody's even suggested setting up a strip bar or bordello in an old engine factory. John From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Oct 31 05:08:18 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 08:08:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ottawa Engine Date Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041031080707.02246a40@mail.alltel.net> Can anyone tell me the year of manufacture of this 5 HP Ottawa Engine--S/N TE 28815? Dave From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Oct 31 08:40:03 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:40:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Yellow herc Message-ID: <20041031.114505.1112.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Dave I sorta like the Yellow Herc - With some contrasting pinstriping and proper decals, I think it will be a keeper. My vote is for red pin stripes & Connecting rod. Black on the trip mechanism. Nice job. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Oct 31 11:33:52 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:33:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Nice Tulip Top Bamford on eBay Message-ID: View this Item on eBay at http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnter&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D2280071707%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1&partner=777701 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bamford Open Crank,Hit & Miss ,Stationary Engine Item number: 2280071707 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Seller: stuckinmuck(88) Positive Feedback: 100% Member since Jun-24-04 in United Kingdom Current bid: GBP?800.00 (Reserve met) (Approximately?US?$1,469.80) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Time left: 4 days 20 hours 10-day listing Ends Nov-04-0412:00:00 PST Item location: CHARMOUTH United Kingdom Ships to: Worldwide ----------------------------------------------------------------- Summary "THE BAMFORD"OPEN CRANK,,HIT & MISS STATIONARY ENGINE,,,NO...7732,,,2 1/2 H.P.,,,TURLIP HOPPER MODEL,,,,HAS WEBSTER "TRI-POLAR OSCILLATOR" SPARKER ,,ENGINE HAS BEEN STORED MANY YEARS,IT IS COMPLETE AND GOOD CONDITION,,EVEN HAS ITS ORIGINAL GUARD AND STARTING HANDLE.....THERE IS NO FROST DAMAGE OR REPAIRS,,,,,I HAVE PUT A RESERVE PRICE,,,BUT I WILL NOT SAY WHAT IT IS....HAPPY BIDDING....VIEWING IS NOT A PROBLEM,,,EMAIL TO ARRANGE................ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Oct 31 11:38:33 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:38:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Caste Iron Currey Listers Message-ID: Hi Folks, This seller has two of the Caste Iron Currey Lister diesel engines on eBay. There's also a real Lister Diesel. See ya, Arnie ---------- Forwarded message ---------- View this Item on eBay at http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnter&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D3849227201%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1&partner=777701 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 6 1/2 HP Slow Speed Diesel Engine Lister 1 Cylinder Item number: 3849227201 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Seller: lobstamang(953) Starting bid: US $349.50 Buy It Now Price: US $750.00 Item location: Five Isl., ME United States/Boston Summary Up for auction is a brand new 6 1/2 HP "Lister" style double flywheel engine built by Metex of India this year. 6 1/2 HP at 650 RPM, Direct Injection, Cylinder Liner and Tapered Roller Bearing Mains. This is some serious old technology. It is a simple time proven design that is still in use in rural areas of the world due to its extreme simplicity and reliability. Has exposed push rods and hand crank start with compression release. 114 mm Bore x 140mm stroke. Specific fuel consumption 268 grams/Kwh. Uses Thermosiphon cooling- no water pump needed. You will need to hook up your cooling tank ( a water barrel or a radiator)These are very easy starting. My 4th grade son can start them. And they sound great running.Comes with a tool set, Flat belt pulley ,owners manual and Foundation bolts. We have scrimped on nothing on these engines, they are 800 Pounds of solid iron. And should gives you years of faithful service. If you are thinking of one now is your chance - These normally sell for 750.00 each. It has what I think are the nicer looking spoked 2 Foot Diameter flywheels. They are for stationary use only . I also have a 2 cylinder version brand new in crate 12HP 650 RPM for 2000.00FOB Woolwich, Maine 04579.On Jun-10-04 at 15:59:59 PDT, seller added the following information:function OpenFQWidget() {var sString;if (document.frmFreightQuote.Loc[1].checked) {sString='&DEST=INTL';}else {sString='&DEST=US&ZIP=' + document.frmFreightQuote.txtZip.value;}window.open ('http://ebay.freightquote.com/FreightCalculator.asp?AuctionID=3821094782' + sString, 'FQWidget', 'width=600,height=400,toolbar=0,location=0,directories=0,status=0,menubar=0,scrollbars=1,resizable=1');}   Freight Shipping Calculator Please Select the Destination: US/Canada, enter zip code   International    ----------------------------------------------------------------- LISTER DIESEL STATIONARY ENGINE Item number: 2280011529 Seller: mrgutheridge Current bid: GBP31.00 (ApproximatelyUS$56.95) Ends Nov-01-04 09:37:46 PST Item location: wales United Kingdom Ships to: United Kingdom Summary Lister diesel - No 464512 - 650 rpm - 6 hp - 2 foot flywheel - 3.4 feet high x 2.1 feet long x 3 feet wide. aprox weight 4 / 5 cwt. Last run about 6 years ago.There is some frost damage ( not major ) to the front of the outer cooling jacket but a good cast welder should not find this a problem.I have not tried to start the engine but it does turn over by hand, good winter restoration project - delivery can be arranged probably around the 50.00 mark depending on postal code, or you are welcome to collect from Carmarthen end of the M4.The pictures you are looking at are the actual item you are buying, they are not down loaded or copied from any other source, what you see is what you get. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Oct 31 11:39:51 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:39:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Crossley Twin Sideshaft on eBay Message-ID: View this Item on eBay at http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnter&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D2280776423%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1&partner=777701 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Crossley PH1065 open crank, stationary engine Item number: 2280776423 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Seller: sg1065(10) Current bid: GBP?590.00 (Approximately?US?$1,083.98) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Ends Nov-04-0404:34:25 PST Item location: West Yorkshire United Kingdom/Leeds Ships to: Will arrange for local pickup only (no shipping). ----------------------------------------------------------------- Summary This engine was restored two years ago & has been rallied for the last two seasons. It is an excellent example of a solid British built engine , but is not too heavy (approx 6cwt), & not too big to move around. It comes with a couple of extra  interesting items, such as its origional workshop manual,  a document from the Crossley factory test shop showing it to be a 5 hp machine, which entered service on the 27th April 1926, & also showing  the name of its first owner. The engine has been rallied all this season with no problems as such, but for some reason at the moment it seems to have developed a misfire, possibly due to damp in the ignition as it was caught out in the rain last time out & my garage is also a little on the damp side too. I need to get rid of this engine due to a lack of space in my workshop, with a lot machinary coming in for repairs in the next few months. This engine is on the site to sell, but if it does not reach a reasonable price by the end of the week then i reserve the right to remove it at short notice to offer it for sale in the stationary engine magazine instead. ----------------------------------------------------------------- From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Oct 31 13:01:13 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:01:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:38:17 EST, you wrote: >If you can remember Dennis Roleaus web page address, there is some nice >photos of the Alamo engine plant in Hillsdale MI. Betty and I took these a few >years back (5) . You might find them interesting > >Skip Cleveland Denis Rouleau originally had a site on Oldengine, but looking in the directory now there is a redirect to this site: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/buzzcoil/index.html and there is another redirect to: http://members.tripod.com/~buzzcoil/indexpages/index-48.html and the Alamo plant pictures are on: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/buzzcoil/page34.html Peter PS: Skip wanted this posted to the SEL List but his AOL email address won't work apparently, so I have copied it over for him. From BetCleve321 at aol.com Sun Oct 31 13:09:09 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:09:09 EST Subject: [SEL] Surviving factories Message-ID: <79.373bb5ae.2eb6ae75@aol.com> http://www.angelfire.com/ny/buzzcoil/page34.html Here are some pictures of the Alamo factory in Hillsdale MI. Skip From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Oct 31 13:17:27 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:17:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Surviving factories In-Reply-To: <79.373bb5ae.2eb6ae75@aol.com> References: <79.373bb5ae.2eb6ae75@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:09:09 EST, you wrote: >http://www.angelfire.com/ny/buzzcoil/page34.html >Here are some pictures of the Alamo factory in Hillsdale MI. > >Skip Looks like your email works OK after all Skip, that came through fine. Peter From BetCleve321 at aol.com Sun Oct 31 13:34:59 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:34:59 EST Subject: [SEL] Surviving factories Message-ID: <1ec.2c9e2ba5.2eb6b483@aol.com> In a message dated 10/31/2004 4:22:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, diesel at easynet.co.uk writes: Looks like your email works OK after all Skip, that came through fine. Peter I just thought I would give it a shot. Thanks again for your help. By the way, the Alamo building is remarkably in tact, the locals are proud of it's heritage.We had dinner at a cafe across the street and asked where the building was. The server said ,right there. I went out and took these pictures. Skip From BetCleve321 at aol.com Sun Oct 31 13:50:04 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:50:04 EST Subject: [SEL] Re: Surviving Factories Message-ID: In a message dated 10/30/2004 4:10:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, oldengin at udata.com writes: Funny, I would like to see some pics of these old buildings as it is a bit of history you hardly ever hear about. -- C-ya Leroy Clark _http://www.angelfire.com/ny/buzzcoil/page34.html_ (http://www.angelfire.com/ny/buzzcoil/page34.html) Wel, here you go. Skip From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Oct 31 16:21:30 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:21:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories References: <000201c4befa$ec8f1d00$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <00b001c4bfa8$bc1af230$8a63fea9@sweeper> Bill I tried to send my collated (as of 1 Nov) document over the List but it was too big. Sent it off-list. If anyone similarly interested can do same for them. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 2:37 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Surviving Factories > I've not read ALL of the posts in this thread, so maybe this has been > broached (ouch, there is a sore topic) already.... > Can someone take all of this FANTASTIC!! Information and put it up on > oldengine.org like as a subset of pages, or on one page, or whatever? > > This is fascenating, and it might be cool if I win the lottery to be able to > take such info and just go around the globe visiting these old places! > > Keep 'em coming! Amazingly on topic, too! :-) > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa > bill at antique-engines.com > www.antique-engines.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tucker > Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 5:12 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Surviving Factories > > > >The Saunier buildings still stand in Lexington and look like they > >did 100 years ago. > > Tommy, > > Where in Lexington are the Saunier buildings? > > Mike > -- > ____________________ > Michael Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > mtucker at uky.edu > ____________________ _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Oct 31 23:01:55 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 18:01:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: <003801c4bdfd$383576e0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <200411010702.iA1725JM074977@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> You make a good point Ted. I have seen some interesting, let's say, stretches of the truth in engine catalogues. Quite often just clever wording but sometimes just outright fabrications. I have a Bartram catalogue that at no point says that the engines were not made by them. They even have one engine which is called a model KL which is interesting as all their engines at the time were made by Kelly & Lewis. They quite happily sold engines made by others as their own and they were not the only company around the world who did this. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- The former "Witte" factory building is still standing here in Kansas City, although the foundry was torn down many years ago. Interestingly, the Witte building is a rather shabby little wood frame structure, not even close to the grand Brick and Mortar edifice that is represented in and on the cover of several of the original Witte Catalogs. Of course Witte, along with many if not most of the engine sellers of the day, played fast and loose with the facts when trying to make their company appear to be of long standing and solid stature. Many of them would claim to have been in the engine business for periods of time that at the would have had them building engines long before engines came into regular use. A lot of "Vender", or mail order operations, would buy out a failed engine manufacturer, then use the history of that failed company to mask the fact that they them selves were not actually building engines, but selling someone else's product under license. A little slippery, but it sure looked "Grand" in the catalog. Ted Brookover From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 31 13:25:13 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:25:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Peanut Roaster - Louisana Message-ID: <00a501c4bf90$2f109bf0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Age is taking it's toll on me, cannot remember anything nor find anything. Who was the SEL member that lives in Louisiana that was building a peanut roaster last year using a beer barrel and a Maytag engine. He was the one I got my "Lever-Rite" engine from, a good friend of mine and I'll be darn if I can think of his name. Someone bail me out on this or if my friend is reading this please forgive me for forgetting your name and give me a shout. His name is right on the tip of my tongue yet the brain is gone. Help!! Paul From kd5byb at earthlink.net Fri Oct 1 04:11:14 2004 From: kd5byb at earthlink.net (Ben Hall) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 06:11:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start In-Reply-To: <003901c4a754$7a70c9c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> References: <000a01c4a751$305b83f0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <003901c4a754$7a70c9c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <1096629080.3954659C@j28.dngr.org> Your battery has failed. My ranger did the same thing. Hood light was bright, nothing else worked. The machine gun sound is the starter relay trying to pull in but failing. Replace the battery and all should be well. Ltr, B On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:56pm, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hello Bob, > > I just went out and put a battery charger on the Expedition and now > everything lights up and the horn blows but when I try and start it, it > sounds like a machine gun going off and it will not turn over. Maybe I > need to leave the charger on longer. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 8:04 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start > > > Hey Paul, > > There are what's called "fuseable links" built into the wiring harness > which > are renowned to be susceptible to corrosion and separation. > > Start following the heavy wires specially to and from the starter > solenoid. > > > > Bob > Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, > others just use the initials! > -------Original Message------- > > From: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 09/30/04 20:55:46 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start > > My wife drove our 2000 Expedition up in the driveway this afternoon > after > picking up the kids, she went to put it in the garage a little while > ago and > it will not do anything. Nothing lights up on the instrument panel, > horn > will not blow, no overhead ceiling lights, no clicking, nothing. I > raise the > hood and the hood light is burning brightly so there should at least be > enough current to light the interior overhead lights. Is there some > kind of > safety switch or kill switch on these vehicles that may have it locked > out? > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --- Sent from my wireless email device... kd5byb at earthlink.net From kd5byb at earthlink.net Fri Oct 1 04:12:45 2004 From: kd5byb at earthlink.net (Ben Hall) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 06:12:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start In-Reply-To: <001c01c4a769$39da50b0$6e83fb40@gary> References: <000a01c4a751$305b83f0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <001c01c4a769$39da50b0$6e83fb40@gary> Message-ID: <1096629170.298BAFBF@w37.dngr.org> They still have the fuel pump cutoff. But when activated, and they do is kill the fuel pump - the engine will still crank. Our taurus was hit in a parking lot years ago and set off the cutout... Ltr, B On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:56pm, Gary Epps wrote: > Hi Paul, > > It is my understanding that Ford Motor Co. was required by the Feds to > use > a, for lack of a better term, kill switch on its products as a result > of the > Pinto accidents which resulted in loss of life due to the vehicles > catching > fire. I do not know if they are still required or not. I also do not > know > if they are electrical interrupters or fuel shut offs. I suspect that > one > of our resident mechanics on the list might know something definitive > here. > Good luck finding the problem. > > Gary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 7:54 PM > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start > > > My wife drove our 2000 Expedition up in the driveway this afternoon > after > picking up the kids, she went to put it in the garage a little while > ago and > it will not do anything. Nothing lights up on the instrument panel, > horn > will not blow, no overhead ceiling lights, no clicking, nothing. I > raise the > hood and the hood light is burning brightly so there should at least be > enough current to light the interior overhead lights. Is there some > kind of > safety switch or kill switch on these vehicles that may have it locked > out? > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --- Sent from my wireless email device... kd5byb at earthlink.net From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Fri Oct 1 04:32:01 2004 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 07:32:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] engine identity needed Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20041001073201.01672070@mail.accnorwalk.com> Can anyone give me the name of the mfg of the engine that looks like a model Y Briggs that has the Wico mag mounted external on the outside opposite the flywheel. I've heard them called an E-1 and also a hummer. Montgomery Wards sold a lot of them. I should know it but I'm drawing a blank. Thanks. Doug Tallman dtallman at accnorwalk.com VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director Greenwich, OH USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 1 04:27:18 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 06:27:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start References: <000a01c4a751$305b83f0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <001c01c4a769$39da50b0$6e83fb40@gary> Message-ID: <004601c4a7a9$9dfb72f0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Thanks Gary, it appears that everyone is saying it is the battery and I am now convinced that they are right. I left the battery charger on all night and it never did charge the battery. Thanks Gary and everyone else who responded to my inquiry for help. I so appreciate all of you. I will put on a new battery today and let you all know how I came out on this problem. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start > Hi Paul, > > It is my understanding that Ford Motor Co. was required by the Feds to use > a, for lack of a better term, kill switch on its products as a result of > the > Pinto accidents which resulted in loss of life due to the vehicles > catching > fire. I do not know if they are still required or not. I also do not > know > if they are electrical interrupters or fuel shut offs. I suspect that one > of our resident mechanics on the list might know something definitive > here. > Good luck finding the problem. > > Gary > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Oct 1 04:52:58 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 07:52:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start In-Reply-To: <003901c4a754$7a70c9c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> References: <000a01c4a751$305b83f0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <415CAD04.000001.02620@NOTEBOOK> <003901c4a754$7a70c9c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <415D451A.2050308@imc-group.com> Paul, I agree with the bad battery diagnosis. It's 4 years old, it's about that time. You can either have this checked at an auto parts house or check it yourself. Pop the caps so you can see down in the cells. Put your charger on and then turn it on high charge. If you see bubbles much heavier in one cell than the others you have a bad cell. Now Paul, wouldn't this sort of question be better suited on many of the well established automobile or Ford forums? This IS a gas engine list, but that is ANTIQUE gas engines. At least the OT subject isn't computers for a change..... Flame over. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hello Bob, > > I just went out and put a battery charger on the Expedition and now > everything lights up and the horn blows but when I try and start it, > it sounds like a machine gun going off and it will not turn over. > Maybe I need to leave the charger on longer. > > Paul > From galoway4 at earthlink.net Fri Oct 1 05:07:00 2004 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 07:07:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start References: <000a01c4a751$305b83f0$210110ac@PaulMaples><415CAD04.000001.02620@NOTEBOOK> <003901c4a754$7a70c9c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <001701c4a7af$29ee3950$20d65a42@jake> BATTERY! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start > Hello Bob, > > I just went out and put a battery charger on the Expedition and now > everything lights up and the horn blows but when I try and start it, it > sounds like a machine gun going off and it will not turn over. Maybe I need > to leave the charger on longer. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Jacobs" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 8:04 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start > > > Hey Paul, > > There are what's called "fuseable links" built into the wiring harness which > are renowned to be susceptible to corrosion and separation. > > Start following the heavy wires specially to and from the starter solenoid. > > > > Bob > Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, > others just use the initials! > -------Original Message------- > > From: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 09/30/04 20:55:46 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start > > My wife drove our 2000 Expedition up in the driveway this afternoon after > picking up the kids, she went to put it in the garage a little while ago and > it will not do anything. Nothing lights up on the instrument panel, horn > will not blow, no overhead ceiling lights, no clicking, nothing. I raise the > hood and the hood light is burning brightly so there should at least be > enough current to light the interior overhead lights. Is there some kind of > safety switch or kill switch on these vehicles that may have it locked out? > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ELIDAS at aol.com Fri Oct 1 05:41:10 2004 From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:41:10 EDT Subject: [SEL] Johnson Iron Horse connecting rod Message-ID: <190.2f760528.2e8eaa66@aol.com> I have a generator with a Johnson Iron Horse on it. The connecting rod has about .018 clearance an is pretty scored. The crank appears to be ok. I would like to try the aluminum "welding" rod I bought at Kinzers to restore clearance. This is the stuff sold at a stand where the guy joins cans, fixes castings etc. Anyone ever try it? Mike Semanoff Waterbury Connecticut From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 1 06:18:50 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 07:18:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Thread rolling machine Message-ID: Would be an interesting machine to watch work. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63953&item=3843282347&rd=1 Take Care, RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Oct 1 06:35:15 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:35:15 EDT Subject: [SEL] Johnson Iron Horse connecting rod Message-ID: Mike, I have no experience with this type welding, but I would be leary of it, warpage, porosity, etc. I would look into a bushing first if it was mine. But there may be others who are experts on this subject and have better ideas. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Oct 1 06:37:16 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:37:16 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start Message-ID: Paul, Often a battery will light the engine compartment light but not others due to current draw when it is going bad. If 2000 model and never replaced battery now 4 years old, I would suspect this first. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Oct 1 06:40:30 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:40:30 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start Message-ID: <1e5.2bd498fa.2e8eb84e@aol.com> In a message dated 10/1/2004 7:54:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: << Pop the caps so you can see down in the cells. Put your charger on and then turn it on high charge. >> Paul, While Curt is right in what he said, be careful looking down batteries as they will explode especially with chargers and jumpers hooked to them, and not a happy day when that happens in your face. This is why they always tell you to hook the ground last and to something other than the battery when jumping. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Oct 1 06:43:51 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 06:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Johnson Iron Horse connecting rod In-Reply-To: <190.2f760528.2e8eaa66@aol.com> References: <190.2f760528.2e8eaa66@aol.com> Message-ID: <27007.165.206.180.118.1096638231.squirrel@165.206.180.118> For automotive rods, you mill or grind (not with your bench grinder!!!) the cap and rod where they join - mill at a slight angle and what happens when you bolt it together is that it "squeezes" in the sides making the "hole" smaller all the way around. Then you have it bored and finished again, good as new. Reconditioned a lot of rods that way. (take more material off of the outside part of the rod and cap than off on the inside next to the bore - I have the details somewhere at home, been a long while since I've done this) Bill > I have a generator with a Johnson Iron Horse on it. The connecting rod > has > about .018 clearance an is pretty scored. The crank appears to be ok. I > would > like to try the aluminum "welding" rod I bought at Kinzers to restore > clearance. This is the stuff sold at a stand where the guy joins cans, > fixes castings > etc. Anyone ever try it? > Mike Semanoff > Waterbury Connecticut > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Oct 1 06:43:37 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:43:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start Message-ID: <20041001.094919.300.11.jlb94@juno.com> On an "older vehicle" - Sounds like a classic case of dirty battery terminals. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Oct 1 06:35:24 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:35:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start Message-ID: <20041001.094919.300.9.jlb94@juno.com> Don't ya just LOVE today's technology ? Wish I had an answer for ya. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From curt at imc-group.com Fri Oct 1 07:33:18 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 10:33:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thread rolling machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <415D6AAE.3020606@imc-group.com> Rick, This would make a fascinating working display belted to h&m engine. Making carriage bolts or something similar would be a great souvenir for spectators to take home. SEL member Tommy Berry has a jewelers chain making machine that he feeds copper wire into. The wire is cut, bent, looped, and closed to form chain. He gives pieces of chain away for souvenirs. I notice the manufacturer is Waterbury Farrell and the ad dates it to the early 1900's. We have a 1930 Waterbury Farrell ball forging machine in our plant that runs every day. It is one of the sweetest running machines we have. The quality of WF machines is second to none! The factory in Waterbury Conn. was destroyed and there are no records left so you'd be on your own figuring the machine out however. Go for it! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Richard Strobel wrote: > Would be an interesting machine to watch work. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63953&item=3843282347&rd=1 > > > From rholtzer at earthlink.net Fri Oct 1 07:33:12 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 07:33:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start In-Reply-To: <415D451A.2050308@imc-group.com> References: <003901c4a754$7a70c9c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <000a01c4a751$305b83f0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <415CAD04.000001.02620@NOTEBOOK> <003901c4a754$7a70c9c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20041001072715.00c36ef8@mail.earthlink.net> Rather than checking off-gassing during charging, I'd suggest a specific gravity check. You can get a very inexpensive tester consisting of several colored balls in a glass tube with a rubber squeeze bulb. Last one I bought was around $1.00. While not highly accurate, it will give you a general idea of the charge status of each battery cell. Usually one cell dies off when a battery is "dead". On the other hand, on my Fords I note a tendency for the thin (non-lead) battery cable terminals to corrode and the ability to carry current can be reduced substantially. A good cleaning followed by a corrosion preventing liquid or spray helps a lot. Best wishes. Bob Holtzer At 07:52 AM 10/1/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Paul, >I agree with the bad battery diagnosis. It's 4 years old, it's about that >time. You can either have this checked at an auto parts house or check it >yourself. Pop the caps so you can see down in the cells. Put your charger >on and then turn it on high charge. If you see bubbles much heavier in one >cell than the others you have a bad cell. >Now Paul, wouldn't this sort of question be better suited on many of the >well established automobile or Ford forums? This IS a gas engine list, but >that is ANTIQUE gas engines. At least the OT subject isn't computers for a >change..... >Flame over. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > >paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > >>Hello Bob, >> >>I just went out and put a battery charger on the Expedition and now >>everything lights up and the horn blows but when I try and start it, it >>sounds like a machine gun going off and it will not turn over. Maybe I >>need to leave the charger on longer. >> >>Paul > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 1 08:07:22 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:07:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Thread rolling machine References: <415D6AAE.3020606@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Go for it! > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC Yea right.."Look Honey what I bought today." Now I gotta drive across the U.S. to pick it up. Anyone know a good divorce lawyer???????? We did find another IHC "M" yesterday and his wife thinks he'll sell it. Been a lawn ornament for years..aarrgh!!!! Looks fairly complete tho and has the Wico. 1.5 or 3hp. Has the small tag. Any one got plans for building a 1.5hp muffler? And what's so trick about the cc breather? They want lots of moola for one. Put the decals on the Gal yesterday. For someone like me that hasn't applied a water transfer decal for 40+ years. I think you'll be surprised and if you're careful....impressed. They are FRAGILE!!! Several months ago I bought some off of ebay and they were apparently old. They almost exploded when I put them in the water. Jus kiddin' but all 5 of them would up in the garbage in a bazillion pieces. Well..I'll be headed for the shed. Trying to dream up a "T" style plate to hold the saw outfit tongue to the perpendicular cross piece. It does have the 2 angled steel straps that go out to the ends, but I thought a classy "T" plate would look kewl. John, do you remember that Galloway plate on ebay a year or so ago? Didn't they call that a "Hitch Plate?" Well later gang..fall is definetly here....and fallout will be on it's way if St. Helens' pops again. That was awesome here and we're over 600 miles away. RickinMt. From galoway4 at earthlink.net Fri Oct 1 10:10:59 2004 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:10:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New search engine Message-ID: <004301c4a7d9$a13b0cc0$a8de5a42@jake> New search engine clusty.com Has a good listing of Antique engines try it. Arthur Buchanan From curt at imc-group.com Fri Oct 1 11:37:04 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:37:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Mike Burns - IHC tractor and engine weekend Oct 16th. Message-ID: <415DA3D0.3000803@imc-group.com> Would someone please post and confirm this over to the tractor list. I'm not on the tractor list at the moment. Engine and tractor fans, Last fall I posted pictures from a small first year event held at Mike Burn's place. It was a fairly private affair, but it was so successful Mike has asked me to post invitations on the SEL, Harry's, and the tractor lists inviting all those interested in IHC engines and tractors to attend. This is NOT a show you bring anything to. You simply come and observe his machinery at work. It'll be the easiest engine and tractor show you ever attend! At this point Mike cannot accommodate additional displays due to limited field space. Be assured he has plenty to see and watch. You can even join in the fun/work if the mood strikes you. Mike has a significant collection of Mogul and Titan tractors and this year will be running his newest completion, a big 45 Titan, a 2 cylinder beast. I believe he also has s/n 1 Titan tractor, a friction drive. You'll also see many large Mogul and Titan/Famous portable engines. There is a IHC antique car with the flat air cooled 2 cylinder engine under the floorboard. There are several non-Pareil engines and water hopper verticals too. There is no shortage of goodies to see! Mike and his helpers (you) will be threshing with a E-B thresher and baling hay with an IHC baler. The thresher is driven with one of the Titan tractors. The event will be held the Saturday on the weekend between Cotton Ginning Days and the Arden show. This is Saturday the 16th starting between 9 and 10 a.m. until...... I believe this is an event you will want to attend and will be well worth even a significant drive. Here is a link for a few pictures I took last year to give you a taste of what to expect. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2003/Thumbnails.html Mike's place is in Simpsonville, SC (near Greenville) Here are directions to his place: <>On Interstate 85 (North or South) take Exit 51 (which will be Woodruff Road or Hwy 146) Go appx. 6 or 7 miles (towards Woodruff Town) you will see East Georgia Road, take a right on E. Georgia Road go appx. 1 1/2 miles Mike's house is on the right. Look for Windy Hill Farms. The address 2715 E. Georgia Road, Simpsonville, SC 29681 This Mapquest link gives you a map. http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&countryid=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=address&searchtype=address&address=2715+E.+Georgia+Road&city=Simpsonville&state=sc&zipcode=29681&search=++Search++ Mike can also be reached at: 864-288-1992 (shop) 864-414-1996 (cell) Mike looks forward to seeing you on Saturday October 16th. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From cgbusch at yahoo.com Fri Oct 1 12:08:25 2004 From: cgbusch at yahoo.com (Chris Busch) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] new to ebay selling (a Jaguar) In-Reply-To: <004301c4a7d9$a13b0cc0$a8de5a42@jake> Message-ID: <20041001190825.32355.qmail@web52501.mail.yahoo.com> I am taking a bit step with ebay.? I am selling my brother's Jaguar. Item #2492323955 Has anyone else sold any cars on ebay?? Any tips?? Any scary stories of shifty bidders?? I usually sell my collector cars at live collector car auctions that way I don't have to deal with the buyers since the auctioneers handle it.? As for my engines, I haven't sold any yet (they take up less space. :) What all do you think of my ad copy: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2492323955 Any suggestions for that? ===== -- Chris Busch cgbusch at yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/cgbusch/ From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Oct 1 13:22:56 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 06:22:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] new to ebay selling (a Jaguar) References: <20041001190825.32355.qmail@web52501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201c4a7f4$70685100$e0541fd3@km> Come on Chris this is a engine list not a second hand car add list, this and cars not going should stop - my opinion Kerry > I am taking a bit step with ebay. I am selling my > brother's Jaguar. Item #2492323955 From AntiqueEngineB at aol.com Fri Oct 1 15:09:35 2004 From: AntiqueEngineB at aol.com (AntiqueEngineB at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:09:35 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start Message-ID: <1e5.2be3b30d.2e8f2f9f@aol.com> You better watch talking about things other than gas engines or you`ll have KERRY upset Robert Stanton Brooklyn Mi antiqueengineb at aol.com From Carrowor at comcast.net Fri Oct 1 15:13:23 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:13:23 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] RE: Tandem Trailer References: <008501c4a737$31d68a00$ce09fea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: <415DD683.000001.00432@NOTEBOOK> Ok Andy, Just make sure somebody drives behind you (carefully) to pick up the pieces as they fall off on the first trip. As a footnote: When I bought the welder to put my first trailer togeather my wife (now ex) couldn't comprehend why I needed a welder and why I didn't just bolt it togeather! Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 10/01/04 17:38:03 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] RE: Tandem Trailer Hello All, Thanks for the replies and pictures, they helped a lot, I've now got idea's from all over the world, so there's no excuse for me to suff it up, just my welding! but nothing a grinder and a bit of paint won't fix. Thanks.......Andy....... Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Carrowor at comcast.net Fri Oct 1 15:21:31 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:21:31 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start References: <1e5.2be3b30d.2e8f2f9f@aol.com> Message-ID: <415DD86B.000003.00432@NOTEBOOK> You better watch talking about things other than gas engines or you`ll have KERRY upset Robert Stanton Brooklyn Mi Does that mean I can't tell anyone that I just bought a Farmall Cub???? Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 1 15:51:00 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:51:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition - Fixed!!!!! Message-ID: <00c401c4a809$215e3290$210110ac@PaulMaples> Everyone was right it was the BATTERY...Thanks for the many, many responses. Paul From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Oct 1 16:25:48 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:25:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start References: <1e5.2be3b30d.2e8f2f9f@aol.com> <415DD86B.000003.00432@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <002e01c4a80d$feba7410$b444e5d8@gary> It's alright to tell the list about the Farmall Cub, it's probably stationary anyway. Now if it was a John Deere... Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start You better watch talking about things other than gas engines or you`ll have KERRY upset Robert Stanton Brooklyn Mi Does that mean I can't tell anyone that I just bought a Farmall Cub???? Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Carrowor at comcast.net Fri Oct 1 16:52:15 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:52:15 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start References: <002e01c4a80d$feba7410$b444e5d8@gary> Message-ID: <415DEDAF.000001.04000@NOTEBOOK> OUCH!!!! It's not quite stationary, but if it was a Deere John, It'd be green with envy. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 10/01/04 19:27:35 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start It's alright to tell the list about the Farmall Cub, it's probably stationary anyway. Now if it was a John Deere... Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start You better watch talking about things other than gas engines or you`ll have KERRY upset Robert Stanton Brooklyn Mi Does that mean I can't tell anyone that I just bought a Farmall Cub???? Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Oct 1 17:49:49 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 20:49:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thread rolling machine In-Reply-To: References: <415D6AAE.3020606@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Rick, the mufflers for the Ms are 2-piece iron castings. Repros are available from folks like Hit 'n' Miss and Starbolt. I bought one for my 3 HP from Hit 'n Miss several years ago. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From falcon at telenet.net Fri Oct 1 20:56:52 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 23:56:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Mike Burns - IHC tractor and engine weekend Oct 16th. References: <415DA3D0.3000803@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <018b01c4a833$da658020$4c5c14d0@net.telenet.net> Done... Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:37 PM Subject: [SEL] Mike Burns - IHC tractor and engine weekend Oct 16th. > Would someone please post and confirm this over to the tractor list. I'm > not on the tractor list at the moment. From jnyost at yahoo.com Sat Oct 2 05:11:40 2004 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 05:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - eBay item# 3932162514: ANTI BUSH CHENEY TWO BIGGER BOOBS PIN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041002121140.51790.qmail@web40628.mail.yahoo.com> Arn, Did you get a response? If he does let me know!!!! ROFLMAO, Jim --- Arnie Fero wrote: > Hiya Folks, > > I've asked the seller if he has one of these with > Kerry / Edwards photos. > 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > To view this item, go to: > http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnter&partner=888801&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi%2Eebay%2Ecom%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI%2Edll%3FViewItem%26item%3D3932162514%26category%3D4103%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Oct 2 07:00:21 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 08:00:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Thread rolling machine References: <415D6AAE.3020606@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Thanks John. What makes the cc breather so special? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Thread rolling machine > Rick, the mufflers for the Ms are 2-piece iron castings. Repros are > available from folks like Hit 'n' Miss and Starbolt. I bought one for > my 3 HP from Hit 'n Miss several years ago. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Oct 2 08:02:44 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 09:02:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New search engine References: <004301c4a7d9$a13b0cc0$a8de5a42@jake> Message-ID: That is pretty cool! Thanks Arthur RickinMt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Buchanan" To: Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 11:10 AM Subject: [SEL] New search engine New search engine clusty.com Has a good listing of Antique engines try it. Arthur Buchanan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Oct 2 09:12:45 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 12:12:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thread rolling machine In-Reply-To: References: <415D6AAE.3020606@imc-group.com> Message-ID: It's a one way valve that lets air out on the intake and power strokes and won't let it back in when on the compression and exhaust strokes. Keeps a partial vacuum in the crankcase and cuts down on the wasted work of constantly pumping air in and out of the breather pipe. Makes it a lot quieter and keeps dirt out of the crankcase. John On Oct 2, 2004, at 10:00 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > Thanks John. What makes the cc breather so special? > > Rick John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From BetCleve321 at aol.com Sat Oct 2 14:55:44 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 17:55:44 EDT Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! Message-ID: <1f6.d0af5.2e907de0@aol.com> In a message dated 9/27/2004 7:10:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: He spent that day and Sunday night in the hospital and had a cath this morning. All is now well! Arnie I knew that. How is Cath? Skip From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Oct 2 15:25:41 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 18:25:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! (OT) In-Reply-To: <1f6.d0af5.2e907de0@aol.com> References: <1f6.d0af5.2e907de0@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041002182400.0203dbb8@mail.alltel.net> At 05:55 PM 10/2/2004, you wrote: > >In a message dated 9/27/2004 7:10:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, >rotigel at alltel.net writes: >He spent that day and Sunday night in the >hospital and had a cath this morning. All is now well! Arnie >I knew that. >How is Cath? > >Skip It took you 5 days to come up with that? You should consider joining the tractor list! Dave From jnyost at yahoo.com Sat Oct 2 16:09:59 2004 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 16:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! (OT) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041002182400.0203dbb8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <20041002230959.85889.qmail@web40614.mail.yahoo.com> Dave or anyone, We just got back to Ohio from the State of Hurricane. Actually we seen some of Jeanne with her 80 MPH wind but really did not see much damage caused by her. What is the deal about Arnie's MHA? I did not see the first email on this. Thanks, Jim --- Dave Rotigel wrote: > At 05:55 PM 10/2/2004, you wrote: > > > >In a message dated 9/27/2004 7:10:49 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > >rotigel at alltel.net writes: > >He spent that day and Sunday night in the > >hospital and had a cath this morning. All is now > well! Arnie > > > >I knew that. > >How is Cath? > > > >Skip > > It took you 5 days to come up with that? You should > consider joining the > tractor list! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From jnyost at yahoo.com Sat Oct 2 16:13:50 2004 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 16:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Thread rolling machine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041002231350.68770.qmail@web40608.mail.yahoo.com> SEL, This is one more that I did not see the first email on due to us being in the State of Hurricane. What does a M muffler have to do with a thread rolling machine? Jim --- Richard Strobel wrote: > Thanks John. What makes the cc breather so special? > > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Culp" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 6:49 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Thread rolling machine > > > > Rick, the mufflers for the Ms are 2-piece iron > castings. Repros are > > available from folks like Hit 'n' Miss and > Starbolt. I bought one for > > my 3 HP from Hit 'n Miss several years ago. > > > > John Culp > > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From BetCleve321 at aol.com Sat Oct 2 16:19:21 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 19:19:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! (OT) Message-ID: <1f4.da7e6.2e909179@aol.com> In a message dated 10/2/2004 6:29:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: It took you 5 days to come up with that? You should consider joining the tractor list! Dave Been there. Done that. Give me 5 more days. Computer has been rope start for weeks so I haven't been using it much. Gas was hard to come by for a few days. Back to normal. Til the next one. Skip From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Oct 2 16:38:36 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 19:38:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic Message-ID: <415F3BFC.1030800@scrtc.com> I went out to do some work in the shop this afternoon but found it almost impossible to do any work on the old iron. The problem I had was flies, millions of them. I've never seen so many in my life. I went to the old machine shop I have in town and opened the door on it and it was the same thing. Flies covered the windows until they were almost black. Whats going on I don't know. Must have something to do with our weather, lack of rain, cool mornings, etc. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get rid of them? I opened all the windows and doors, took a broom and tried to "shoo" out as many as possible. If there were a million before, I still probably have 750,000. Does anyone know of a fly trap, fly or bug catcher, etc. that would be effective on them? I could fog the building and kill them for the time being but would have dead flies everywhere and would probalby have a reinfestation tomorrow. Any thoughts appreciated. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Oct 2 17:18:08 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 20:18:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic In-Reply-To: <415F3BFC.1030800@scrtc.com> References: <415F3BFC.1030800@scrtc.com> Message-ID: I've had fly plagues like that here in the past. The whole basement floor would be covered with them, and plenty got in the house. One night after we'd gotten the kids in bed, I turned out all the lights behind me as I went to bed. Well, the flies all followed the light and ended up in our bedroom. They were still trying to buzz around in the dark, and a couple bumped into my face. That ticked me off. I got up and hunted up a stored-away bug zapper, hung it up in the bedroom and plugged it in, turned out the lights and went back to bed. Boy, did Jane and I get a show as all those flies flew into the zapper and fried! The bug zapper doesn't work in the daytime, as they're not particularly attracted to UV light. It's hard to sneak up and swat them. It's a lot easier to use a Dust Buster or vacuum cleaner and suck them up! They don't seem afraid of the approaching vacuum wand until it's too late. John On Oct 2, 2004, at 7:38 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > I went out to do some work in the shop this afternoon but found it > almost impossible to do any work on the old iron. The problem I had > was flies, millions of them. I've never seen so many in my life. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Oct 2 17:40:27 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 17:40:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic In-Reply-To: <415F3BFC.1030800@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <200410030040.i930eVkr068986@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Flies covered the windows until they were almost > black. Whats going on I don't know. Must have something to > do with our weather, lack of rain, cool mornings, etc. Does anyone have any > suggestions on how to get rid of them? Tommy, Like my old great grand-mammy used to tell me... If you want to get flies out of the kitchen, put a bucket of shit in the dining room. From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Oct 2 17:38:29 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 20:38:29 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re: flies- OT Message-ID: <9b.4f1ad2b4.2e90a405@aol.com> In a message dated 10/2/2004 8:28:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, johnculp at chartertn.net writes: << The problem I had > was flies, millions of them. I've never seen so many in my life. >> I had a similar problem only with yard grubs that are the larva of June bugs. Millie and I went on vacation early September for a week. Came home to 1/2 of a 5 gallon bucket of white grubs about as big as you little finger that I vacuumed out of the pool. Seems our yard had become infested with them and for some reason they come out of the ground at night and were crawling into the pool. Each evening for a week I vacuumed out a coffee can after coming home. The following Saturday I bought two big bags of Sevin dust, mixed it with some fertilizer and spread it with a sling spreader. Two hours after putting it down the grubs started coming out of the ground dying. This went on all week till our yard stunk from all the dead. The smell has finally gone away and no more are coming out, so must have been effective in eliminating them. Thankfully the moles had not found them. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Oct 2 19:57:04 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 22:57:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! (OT) In-Reply-To: <20041002230959.85889.qmail@web40614.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041002182400.0203dbb8@mail.alltel.net> <20041002230959.85889.qmail@web40614.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041002223935.0209e108@mail.alltel.net> At 07:09 PM 10/2/2004, you wrote: >Dave or anyone, >We just got back to Ohio from the State of Hurricane. >Actually we seen some of Jeanne with her 80 MPH wind >but really did not see much damage caused by her. >What is the deal about Arnie's MHA? >I did not see the first email on this. >Thanks, Jim Hi Jim (and anyone else who may want to know), A week ago Arnie was admitted to the hospital. Tests showed that he had suffered a mild heart attack. Monday they put two stints in and then sent him home on Tuesday. I was at his house on Wed. and we enjoyed shooting my new Browning .380 (BDA.) Arnie looked fine and seemed "normal" (whatever the hell that means with Arnie!) Thursday Arnie and Nancy left for somewhere in NY for his youngest daughter's wedding. I think they (ie Arnie and Nancy) will be back home tomorrow. It's my understanding that Arnie and I will be attending the Cotton Ginning Days in NC next weekend. Arnie can't go back to work for 4 weeks so he has decided to take in several more shows and work on his engines during that time! Rob (and several other List members) contacted Nancy as soon as they learned about the heart attack. Nancy asked me to tell all of them "Thanks" for the offer on Arnie's engines. She has all their names and phone numbers on file and will contact them "when the time is right." Dave From garyepps at fidnet.com Sat Oct 2 20:46:45 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 22:46:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic References: <200410030040.i930eVkr068986@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <002601c4a8fb$9deb55c0$5b83fb40@gary> I dunno, I think I like the idea of bringing in four dozen pond frogs with long sticky tongues better than the bucket in the living room. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 7:40 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic > > Flies covered the windows until they were almost > > black. Whats going on I don't know. Must have something to > > do with our weather, lack of rain, cool mornings, etc. Does anyone have any > > suggestions on how to get rid of them? > > > Tommy, > Like my old great grand-mammy used to tell me... > > If you want to get flies out of the kitchen, > put a bucket of shit in the dining room. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Oct 2 21:37:29 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 22:37:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Festival pictures Message-ID: <001901c4a902$b1961bd0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Rained for two days and today the sun came out for our event. My club has a part in this city festival. The short one and I had a great time attending, and will probably be showing next year. One of the bigger events the club is involved in. A highlight this year was meeting David the peanut roaster using his Maytag to turn the machines. My thanks to all that offered help a while back when the Maytag had troubles. He does now have an electric for backup, but so far it's of no use. Maytag ran all day long, under load with no problems. Pictures at: http://frapa.us/Photos/CiderDays04/Cider04.html Enjoy! Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Oct 2 21:43:08 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 21:43:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! (OT) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041002223935.0209e108@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <200410030443.i934hBkr058524@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Rob (and several other List members) contacted Nancy > as soon as they learned about the heart attack. Hi Dave, It is so good to know that Arnie will be ok. When did you say he'll be leaving for the show? How long will he be away? Just curious. Rob From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 2 22:12:08 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 00:12:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Festival pictures References: <001901c4a902$b1961bd0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <015201c4a907$8e04f010$210110ac@PaulMaples> Great pictures Jeff, thanks for posting them. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 11:37 PM Subject: [SEL] Festival pictures Hello all, Rained for two days and today the sun came out for our event. My club has a part in this city festival. The short one and I had a great time attending, and will probably be showing next year. One of the bigger events the club is involved in. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Oct 3 00:26:21 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:26:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Colin Message-ID: <000c01c4a91a$759a3220$47111bd3@athlon> We arrived at Westmead hospital at about 10 AM and found our way to the Ward where Colin was. Christine and their son were already there. We went in to see him and I was just shocked! He did not react to our presence but I chatted to him and gave him all the wishes from his list friends. I really dont think he will last too many more hours. It is a heartbreak to seee a mate in this condition. I am sure he would want you all to remember the Colin of the wicked wit and humour. Let us all raise our glasses to a real good bloke, wish him a safe transition to where ever he is bound for. And also our wishes go to the family he is leaving. Chris knows we are with her in spirit. She also knows she can call on us if ever the need arises. So, Colin, go in peace mate and our best wishes go with you. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Oct 3 01:43:28 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 18:43:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic References: <200410030040.i930eVkr068986@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <006e01c4a926$ec434720$47111bd3@athlon> Ah, Rob, such clear thinking!! You are wasted where you are. You should now tell us how to get rid of politicians! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic > > Flies covered the windows until they were almost > > black. Whats going on I don't know. Must have something to > > do with our weather, lack of rain, cool mornings, etc. Does anyone have any > > suggestions on how to get rid of them? > > > Tommy, > Like my old great grand-mammy used to tell me... > > If you want to get flies out of the kitchen, > put a bucket of shit in the dining room. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Oct 3 05:36:53 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 06:36:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Colin References: <000c01c4a91a$759a3220$47111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: Kathy and I will toast him on our weekly Sunday afternoon drive. Thanks Reg RickinMt. > Let us all raise our glasses to a real good bloke, wish him a safe > transition to where ever he is bound for. > And also our wishes go to the family he is leaving. Chris knows we are > with > her in spirit. She also knows she can call on us if ever the need arises. > So, Colin, go in peace mate and our best wishes go with you. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Oct 3 06:08:50 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 09:08:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic In-Reply-To: <006e01c4a926$ec434720$47111bd3@athlon> References: <200410030040.i930eVkr068986@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <006e01c4a926$ec434720$47111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <415FF9E2.2010306@scrtc.com> Reg, You've answered where the bucket full comes from! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: >Ah, Rob, such clear thinking!! You are wasted where you are. You should now >tell us how to get rid of politicians! >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rob Skinner" >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 10:40 AM >Subject: RE: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic > > > > >>>Flies covered the windows until they were almost >>>black. Whats going on I don't know. Must have something to >>>do with our weather, lack of rain, cool mornings, etc. Does anyone have >>> >>> >any > > >>>suggestions on how to get rid of them? >>> >>> >>Tommy, >>Like my old great grand-mammy used to tell me... >> >>If you want to get flies out of the kitchen, >>put a bucket of shit in the dining room. >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Oct 3 11:46:09 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:46:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic In-Reply-To: <415F3BFC.1030800@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <200410031846.i93IkDkr079784@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi Tommy, How about opening the windows and doors and chasing them out with a leaf blower! Jimmy O' Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 4:39 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic I went out to do some work in the shop this afternoon but found it almost impossible to do any work on the old iron. The problem I had was flies, millions of them. I've never seen so many in my life. I went to the old machine shop I have in town and opened the door on it and it was the same thing. Flies covered the windows until they were almost black. Whats going on I don't know. Must have something to do with our weather, lack of rain, cool mornings, etc. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get rid of them? I opened all the windows and doors, took a broom and tried to "shoo" out as many as possible. If there were a million before, I still probably have 750,000. Does anyone know of a fly trap, fly or bug catcher, etc. that would be effective on them? I could fog the building and kill them for the time being but would have dead flies everywhere and would probalby have a reinfestation tomorrow. Any thoughts appreciated. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Sun Oct 3 12:39:43 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:39:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: [AT] Put a tentative mark on your calenders Message-ID: <002801c4a980$bc270b80$a11117d1@net.telenet.net> > Our U-Pick pumpkin patch is going over well enough this year that > I have decided to start planning right now for a big pumpkin festival here > at TMCOTKU (Shelbyville, Indiana) on the first weekend of October (first > and second) 2005. Part of the event will be an antique tractor show (and > putter) and I want to invite ATIS members to bring tractors or at least > themselves to the event. There will be no general admission to anyone. I > don't know insurance details yet but an about $5 membership fee may or may > not be necessary to cover insurance cost. I still need to talk with my farm > insurance company again to clarify a few details of what they will cover > and what I will need to cover with outside coverage. > There are millions of details to handle yet and a lot of planning > and preparation to do between now and next Oct. We are right now planning > for about 5 acres or more of U-Pick pumpkins. I intend for it to be a very > busy weekend for anyone who comes. There will be primitive camping > available for exhibitors and some guest and some with limited electrical > available. Slightly like Cubfest 2004 but in a different location and a > "lot" bigger area. All camping will be free. > I have fallen in love with demonstration activities (when not > under water like Portland) and am planning for a lot of different > activities to watch. As I get planning a little further along I will post > an outline of planned activities (it will be a bunch). We are also planning > hay rides, perhaps by tractor and horse both. All such activities are free. > If someone would be so kind as to pass this along to the SEL I > would enjoy listening to some engines too. > Unlike Cubfest which we kept fairly quiet locally this thing could > get pretty big. We will be a lot more ready for this one than I was for > Cubfest. We have been doing a fair amount of cleaning and landscaping since > Cubfest and have a much better sense of direction now. > Unlike Portland and even the Conner Prairie living history museum > we demo at each year, here we will have hundreds of bushels of corn to > shell and lots of slab wood to buzz saw up. We may also have some sorghum > to squeeze and cook if I can get my timing right. I have a press but will > have to find or build a cooker. Also here many activities can involve > digging in the dirt a little. > Mark your calender and I will keep you posted... > > > > "farmer" > > Francis Robinson > Central Indiana, USA > robinson at svs.net > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Oct 3 12:49:26 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 15:49:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic In-Reply-To: <200410031846.i93IkDkr079784@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> References: <200410031846.i93IkDkr079784@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <416057C6.5040400@scrtc.com> Jimmy, the bucket trick and some others that have been sent to me didn't seem to have much possiblilty (although I'm sure that I could find ample supply of material for the bucket). But, you may be on to something. I could take care of the ones around the windows and doors. The ones that are at the eve of the roof would be hard to get though. Its 26 ft from the floor to the peak inside the building. I assume they are searching for the warmest air by gathering at the peak. If I give it time, they'll all eventually die but then I'm going to have a bunch of dead flies to clean off of some old iron. Could be worse things happen (like a tornado and I've been through that). Thanks to you and others who have had suggestions. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Jim O'Hagan wrote: >Hi Tommy, How about opening the windows and doors and chasing them out with >a leaf blower! Jimmy O' > >Jim O'Hagan >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy >Turner >Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 4:39 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic > >I went out to do some work in the shop this afternoon but found it >almost impossible to do any work on the old iron. The problem I had was >flies, millions of them. I've never seen so many in my life. I went to >the old machine shop I have in town and opened the door on it and it was >the same thing. Flies covered the windows until they were almost >black. Whats going on I don't know. Must have something to do with our >weather, lack of rain, cool mornings, etc. Does anyone have any >suggestions on how to get rid of them? I opened all the windows and >doors, took a broom and tried to "shoo" out as many as possible. If >there were a million before, I still probably have 750,000. Does anyone >know of a fly trap, fly or bug catcher, etc. that would be effective on >them? I could fog the building and kill them for the time being but >would have dead flies everywhere and would probalby have a reinfestation >tomorrow. Any thoughts appreciated. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Oct 3 14:10:15 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:10:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic In-Reply-To: <416057C6.5040400@scrtc.com> References: <200410031846.i93IkDkr079784@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <416057C6.5040400@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <9F4EC945-1580-11D9-9FC3-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Tommy, you could have a golden opportunity to test those ultrasonic pest repellers and tell us if they work on flies. (I bet they don't.) John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From galoway4 at earthlink.net Sun Oct 3 14:56:48 2004 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:56:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic References: <415F3BFC.1030800@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002001c4a993$e3cc24f0$3dda5a42@jake> Take a clear plastic bag,wad up some alumine foil and put inside the bag pour some water in the bag then hang it up in the barn. Wait until you try it before you knock it. Works in horse barn. Arthur Buchanan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 6:38 PM Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic > I went out to do some work in the shop this afternoon but found it > almost impossible to do any work on the old iron. The problem I had was > flies, millions of them. I've never seen so many in my life. I went to > the old machine shop I have in town and opened the door on it and it was > the same thing. Flies covered the windows until they were almost > black. Whats going on I don't know. Must have something to do with our > weather, lack of rain, cool mornings, etc. Does anyone have any > suggestions on how to get rid of them? I opened all the windows and > doors, took a broom and tried to "shoo" out as many as possible. If > there were a million before, I still probably have 750,000. Does anyone > know of a fly trap, fly or bug catcher, etc. that would be effective on > them? I could fog the building and kill them for the time being but > would have dead flies everywhere and would probalby have a reinfestation > tomorrow. Any thoughts appreciated. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Oct 3 15:08:21 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:08:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] I might be and OAFES if....... Message-ID: <20041003.150822.1296.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Check out the new toy. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=69667339 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=69667340 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=69667341 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=69667342 &f=0 I was given two of these, this is the first, should be able to make one complete engine out of the two. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Oct 3 15:27:48 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 18:27:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] I might be and OAFES if....... In-Reply-To: <20041003.150822.1296.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20041003.150822.1296.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <74C89007-158B-11D9-A9E6-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Now that looks like a fun project! John On Oct 3, 2004, at 6:08 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi all. > Check out the new toy. I was given two of these, this is the first, > should be able to make one > complete engine out of the two. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Oct 3 15:53:53 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 23:53:53 +0100 Subject: [SEL] I might be and OAFES if....... References: <20041003.150822.1296.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <002201c4a99b$db9470a0$6b856ad5@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 11:08 PM > Hi all. check out the new toy. > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=69667339 > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=69667340 > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=69667341 > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=69667342 > I was given two of these, this is the first, should be able to make one > complete engine out of the two. Ron Haskell Hi Ron, see http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/p/perower/emA.html & look for Ajax Dave Croft From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 3 16:09:51 2004 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] I might be and OAFES if....... In-Reply-To: <20041003.150822.1296.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <20041003230951.99001.qmail@web14105.mail.yahoo.com> Looks like a fun project. Wow, what a flywheel. What is the rated horsepower on the toy? Ron rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: Hi all. Check out the new toy. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=69667339 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=69667340 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=69667341 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=69667342 &f=0 I was given two of these, this is the first, should be able to make one complete engine out of the two. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Oct 3 17:54:04 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 18:54:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Rare Chase Engine Message-ID: <000601c4a9ac$a659d270$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Our club is part of the festival that I put online last night. Because of that I had a free pass for both days, and decided to miss the first part of my race for a short return visit. I am glad I did. New club member Roger White showed his engine today only. It is a Chase 4 hp engine, and the BYB lists it, but there are no pictures. Roger has researched this and his engine seems to be one of only four to exist. Now I am new to this hobby, and have found many to be quite rude when you try to talk to them. Maybe that is normal. Some are friendly and others are not. Roger is very friendly, and we had a great time. I look forward to visiting with him and taking more pictures in the future. For now this is all I have. http://frapa.us/Chase/Chase.html Please note that I try to keep the captions relative to the club site that I run. I try to keep list issues off of the captions and now flame and fire. Reg brought this issue up, and I do believe it needs to be addressed by all. In one of the pictures in the above link you will see Roger explaining the workings of his engine. Up close and personal and that has to continue. The engine was running at the time. In the time I was there not one person tried to play with the moving parts, but they did get to see them up close. I rotated the flywheel on compression and learned about the relief valve on the side of the cylinder. Can't start it without that. First crank, poof, poof, and close the valve. Hit several times and off to a slow steady run. This up close and personal interaction will keep the hobby alive and bring in new people like me. Sit behind your fences and chat with your buddies or show your toys to the world and share. I've made my choice, and I think Mr. Maytag will get the first outing next weekend. Off the soapbox for now. Do enjoy the pictures. Made my day. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From Carrowor at comcast.net Sun Oct 3 18:47:28 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 21:47:28 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Rare Chase Engine References: <000601c4a9ac$a659d270$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <4160ABB0.000001.02912@NOTEBOOK> Great pics of a preserved/restored rarity. So nice to see the "oddities" Throw some of those "flames" my way, I'm with ya Jeff!!!! I started attending shows at the ripe old age of 3. Yes, that's right, my first show was National Threshers Association at three years of age. Even at that age I had been taught enough to know you don't stick body parts in the way of moving iron. This insurance "game", not only with the engines but in every aspect of our lives, is ridiculous. A little common sense goes a heck of a long way, combine that with a little respect for others property (something not taught anymore) should tell others to keep their hands off and/or ask first. I could go on, but off the soapbox for now. I'm just thankful for all the friendly/informative people my dad had the pleasure and opportunity to associate with and introduce me to. Most are long ago gone now and I'm "on my own" but I'll carry on the tradition of sharing my tiny spec of knowledge to any and all who should care to ask. Wanna play with my toys, be my guest but let me explain a few "safety" things to you, Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 10/03/04 20:47:36 To: 'The SEL email discussion list'; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Rare Chase Engine Hello all, Our club is part of the festival that I put online last night. Because of that I had a free pass for both days, and decided to miss the first part of my race for a short return visit. I am glad I did. New club member Roger White showed his engine today only. It is a Chase 4 hp engine, and the BYB lists it, but there are no pictures. Roger has researched this and his engine seems to be one of only four to exist. Now I am new to this hobby, and have found many to be quite rude when you try to talk to them. Maybe that is normal. Some are friendly and others are not. Roger is very friendly, and we had a great time. I look forward to visiting with him and taking more pictures in the future. For now this is all I have. http://frapa.us/Chase/Chase.html Please note that I try to keep the captions relative to the club site that I run. I try to keep list issues off of the captions and now flame and fire. Reg brought this issue up, and I do believe it needs to be addressed by all. In one of the pictures in the above link you will see Roger explaining the workings of his engine. Up close and personal and that has to continue. The engine was running at the time. In the time I was there not one person tried to play with the moving parts, but they did get to see them up close. I rotated the flywheel on compression and learned about the relief valve on the side of the cylinder. Can't start it without that. First crank, poof, poof, and close the valve. Hit several times and off to a slow steady run. This up close and personal interaction will keep the hobby alive and bring in new people like me. Sit behind your fences and chat with your buddies or show your toys to the world and share. I've made my choice, and I think Mr. Maytag will get the first outing next weekend. Off the soapbox for now. Do enjoy the pictures. Made my day. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Oct 3 19:42:07 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:42:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] I might be and OAFES if....... Message-ID: <20041003.195702.1296.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Yes that is an impressive flywheel. I don't know what the rated hp. might be. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:09:51 -0700 (PDT) "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" writes: > Looks like a fun project. Wow, what a flywheel. What is the rated > horsepower on the toy? > Ron > From segray at mlode.com Sun Oct 3 21:52:46 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 21:52:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] I might be and OAFES if....... In-Reply-To: <20041003.195702.1296.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20041003.195702.1296.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <4160D71E.9040302@mlode.com> Hey Ron - That flywheel looks like the one on this Beilfuss engine I have (BYB pg. 51). Weighs in at an even 100 lbs. . This engine is an 8 horse (if I'd ever do something with it!). - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: >Yes that is an impressive flywheel. I don't know what the rated hp. >might be. > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > >On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:09:51 -0700 (PDT) "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" > writes: > > >>Looks like a fun project. Wow, what a flywheel. What is the rated >>horsepower on the toy? >>Ron >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From wilson at stny.rr.com Sun Oct 3 21:32:28 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 00:32:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis - What does this remove? Message-ID: I think the main purpose of this is to remove Rust - but what other stuff does it take off? Thanks, Glenn Wilson -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org]On Behalf Of Craig Mathews Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:39 PM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: Re: FYI Electrolysis If you use Arm and Hammer Super Washing Soda, the grease and paint are not a problem, comes right off. I use a small battery charger, about 8 amps, cleans semi large parts in a 5 gallon bucket in two to three days, I have a larger set-up for 15 gallons for larger parts. I have seen a guy do an entire trailer in a huge tank with a DC arc welder for current and it worked. Just FYI Jeff Allen wrote: Peter, I only played with this a couple times last winter. So far I haven't had a need to try it again, but that will change soon. All my experiments have been in a five gallon bucket with a small battery charger. I don't think I ever got over 8 amps on the meter, and maybe not that high. For reference that was a Maytag gas tank bottom. My biggest problem was surface rust formed immediately even though I blew the parts off right away. There was quite a discussion on the list about this, and John Culp came up with sodium silicate. So as not to ramble the solution we use in the ultra sonic cleaner at work has this in it for rust prevention. It works, several weeks, and is paintable. I will use it on my next experiment. Now to your questions. > > 1) How does the current requirement change with surface area of the part> being > cleaned? Linearly? Logarithmically? I found the distance from the object to the electrode was the biggest factor in the amount of current. Size didn't seem to make a difference. The number of electodes also seems to have an effect on current. My latest experiment has a piece of stretched sheet metal surrounding the inside of the entire bucket. Seems to work pretty good with that surface area. Have a few pictures if you want them. > > 2) How long does the solution last? Mine lasted for months. > > 3) What disposal methods are used for spent solution? Haven't done it yet. The water evaporated over the summer. Near as I can tell I have baking soda and iron in the bottom of the bucket. I'll save it for the roses next spring. Heard iron is great for them. > > 4) Can the solution be topped up with more Soda or is it a one-shot > process? It only takes a small amout of baking s! oda or whatever you use. Water level dropps, mix a little more in a gallon jug and top it off. That's the best I can do for you Peter. I will tell you it does work, but the parts have to be clean, no grease, etc. Here is a link you might check out. http://www.angelfire.com/tx/hotube/electro.html Have fun, and keep us posted on your experiences. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From diesel at easynet.co.uk Mon Oct 4 04:01:18 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (diesel at easynet.co.uk) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:01:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis - What does this remove? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1096887678.41612d7e95c98@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> Quoting Glenn Wilson : > I think the main purpose of this is to remove Rust - but what other stuff > does it take off? > Thanks, Glenn Wilson The soda will affect paint products that are sensitive to this type of chemical, and some metals like aluminum (aluminium in the UK) will be marked by it. Generally it is best to use it for cast iron and steel products where the paint is going to be replaced anyway. Peter -- Peter Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel --------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.easynetdial.co.uk From jnyost at yahoo.com Mon Oct 4 06:34:37 2004 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 06:34:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! (OT) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041002223935.0209e108@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <20041004133437.85427.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Dave --- Dave Rotigel wrote: > At 07:09 PM 10/2/2004, you wrote: > >Dave or anyone, > >We just got back to Ohio from the State of > Hurricane. > >Actually we seen some of Jeanne with her 80 MPH > wind > >but really did not see much damage caused by her. > >What is the deal about Arnie's MHA? > >I did not see the first email on this. > >Thanks, Jim > > Hi Jim (and anyone else who may want to know), > A week ago Arnie was admitted to the > hospital. Tests showed that > he had suffered a mild heart attack. Monday they put > two stints in and then > sent him home on Tuesday. I was at his house on Wed. > and we enjoyed > shooting my new Browning .380 (BDA.) Arnie looked > fine and seemed "normal" > (whatever the hell that means with Arnie!) > Thursday Arnie and Nancy left for somewhere > in NY for his youngest > daughter's wedding. I think they (ie Arnie and > Nancy) will be back home > tomorrow. It's my understanding that Arnie and I > will be attending the > Cotton Ginning Days in NC next weekend. Arnie can't > go back to work for 4 > weeks so he has decided to take in several more > shows and work on his > engines during that time! > Rob (and several other List members) > contacted Nancy as soon as > they learned about the heart attack. Nancy asked me > to tell all of them > "Thanks" for the offer on Arnie's engines. She has > all their names and > phone numbers on file and will contact them "when > the time is right." > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Oct 4 08:54:33 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic In-Reply-To: <416057C6.5040400@scrtc.com> References: <200410031846.i93IkDkr079784@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <416057C6.5040400@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Hi Tommy, Igunanas. Lots of Igunanas. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Sun, 3 Oct 2004, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > The ones that > are at the eve of the roof would be hard to get though. Its 26 ft from > the floor to the peak inside the building. I assume they are searching > for the warmest air by gathering at the peak. If I give it time, > they'll all eventually die but then I'm going to have a bunch of dead > flies to clean off of some old iron. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Oct 4 08:55:02 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic In-Reply-To: <002001c4a993$e3cc24f0$3dda5a42@jake> References: <415F3BFC.1030800@scrtc.com> <002001c4a993$e3cc24f0$3dda5a42@jake> Message-ID: Hiya Art, Is this a plan for getting rid of the flies or for filling Rob's bucket? 8-)) See ya, Arnie City boy in PA On Sun, 3 Oct 2004, Arthur Buchanan wrote: > Take a clear plastic bag,wad up some alumine foil and put inside the bag > pour some water in the bag then hang it up in the barn. Wait until you try > it before you knock it. Works in horse barn. From prepair at easynet.co.uk Mon Oct 4 09:16:33 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 17:16:33 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic In-Reply-To: References: <200410031846.i93IkDkr079784@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <416057C6.5040400@scrtc.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:54:33 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Hi Tommy, > >Igunanas. Lots of Igunanas. 8-)) > >See ya, Arnie Sounds like a cross between an Igniter and a Banana....:-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 4 05:51:28 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 07:51:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic References: <415F3BFC.1030800@scrtc.com> <002001c4a993$e3cc24f0$3dda5a42@jake> Message-ID: <002d01c4aa10$de2e6e40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Raid Yard guard and use it like Glade it will kill every thing in the joint My fiirast choice would be starting fluid and a zippo From my98tj at hotmail.com Mon Oct 4 12:15:02 2004 From: my98tj at hotmail.com (98 TJ) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 19:15:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] trying to contact contact Mike Montieth about listers Message-ID: I get my e-mail returned when I try to contact Mike Montieth @ blueridge address. Does anyone have a current e-mail address to contact Mike about a lister purchase ? Thanks Ourfarm _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx From galoway4 at earthlink.net Mon Oct 4 13:13:17 2004 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:13:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic References: <415F3BFC.1030800@scrtc.com> <002001c4a993$e3cc24f0$3dda5a42@jake> Message-ID: <002101c4aa4e$a1acbd80$3cdb5a42@jake> Hello Arnie: We have used this for a number of years. If you go to the 10/03/04 of the Dallas Morning News section 1E there is a story of a farrier that uses the same thing. Arthur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic > Hiya Art, > > Is this a plan for getting rid of the flies or for filling Rob's bucket? > 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > City boy in PA > > On Sun, 3 Oct 2004, Arthur Buchanan wrote: > > > Take a clear plastic bag,wad up some alumine foil and put inside the bag > > pour some water in the bag then hang it up in the barn. Wait until you try > > it before you knock it. Works in horse barn. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From avanti_64 at juno.com Mon Oct 4 16:29:47 2004 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (Joe Kelley) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 19:29:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nelson Brothers Jumbo Message-ID: <20041004.192952.-754407.0.avanti_64@juno.com> Hi gang, I am restoring a Nelson Bros 3 hp Jumbo (which I will sell). Can anyone tell me or have a picture of the return spring that pushes on the rocker arm which in turn pushes the pushrod back onto the cam gear? I think this may fit into the big "spoon" part of the rocker arm. Thanks Joe Kelley You can send the pic to jfk52 at tds.net ________________________________________________________________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Oct 4 17:13:19 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 20:13:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic In-Reply-To: References: <415F3BFC.1030800@scrtc.com> <002001c4a993$e3cc24f0$3dda5a42@jake> Message-ID: <5C942644-1663-11D9-8B38-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Tarantulas might work. I don't hear of fly problems in the tarantula-swarmed workshops down in Texas. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Oct 4 17:15:43 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 20:15:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] trying to contact contact Mike Montieth about listers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've recently been informed that his email is: Mike Montieth [mdmo at rfci.net] Haven't tried it. He used to be hard to reach by E-mail when the old address was current. John On Oct 4, 2004, at 3:15 PM, 98 TJ wrote: > I get my e-mail returned when I try to contact Mike Montieth @ > blueridge address. > Does anyone have a current e-mail address to contact Mike about a > lister purchase ? > Thanks > Ourfarm John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Oct 4 17:27:24 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:27:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Grain Elevator and flat belt question Message-ID: Howdy all; Been a while since I posted to the Tractor list, so thought I'd show Ralph G. and whoever's interested, this old Rock Grain Elevator that's still working in Harlowton, Mt. It was a weekend so will have to find out more about it sometime in the future. I believe it's made out of granite. btw Ralph, the Smithsonian has a traveling display that shows old elevators. Will try to find out more. Here's the link. http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/158661245OvzoWV Question please to you folks. Has anyone ever tried to use (as a flat belt[on pulley's]) the belt used on a NG New Holland round balers? This is the black rubber(?) belt that winds up the hay into a round bale. Believe there's around 4,5, or 6 of them. If so, how'd ya make out? Thanks in anticipation! RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Oct 4 17:01:19 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 20:01:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT Message-ID: <20041004.203534.868.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, Does anyone know of a flashlight that uses a 9V battery ? Yes - THe 9V like in a transistor radio. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "?You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Oct 4 19:36:29 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 21:36:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT In-Reply-To: <20041004.203534.868.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <008801c4aa84$20216140$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> I'd be sort of surprised if there was such a thing due to the nature of the battery - low draw over long periods, other factors. They just weren't made to "light lights". If it existed, it wouldn't be your ordinary flashlamp light bulb. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 7:01 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT Hi List, Does anyone know of a flashlight that uses a 9V battery ? Yes - THe 9V like in a transistor radio. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "?You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 4 15:24:52 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:24:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Shop Question - Sort of On Topic References: <415F3BFC.1030800@scrtc.com> <002001c4a993$e3cc24f0$3dda5a42@jake> <002101c4aa4e$a1acbd80$3cdb5a42@jake> Message-ID: <001c01c4aa60$f89ae6a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Hello Arnie: > We have used this for a number of years. If you go to the 10/03/04 of the > Dallas Morning News section 1E there is a story of a farrier that uses the > same thing. > > > Take a clear plastic bag,wad up some alumine foil and put inside the bag > > > pour some water in the bag then hang it up in the barn. Wait until you > try > > > it before you knock it. Works in horse barn. What are the results of doing so ? Al. foil and sodium hydroxide makes hydrogen From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Tue Oct 5 04:54:56 2004 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 07:54:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Transportation Needed Conn to Coolspring Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20041005075456.01687198@mail.accnorwalk.com> I've bought an early steel wheeled garden tractor in Torrington Connecticut and was wondering if anyone coming to Coolspring could bring it along. It would probably take up about 2/3 of an 8 ft pickup bed. Any help appreciated. Thanks! Doug Tallman dtallman at accnorwalk.com VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director Greenwich, OH USA From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Oct 5 06:45:37 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 06:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Old Grain Elevator and flat belt question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041005134537.5190.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> Rick A friend has purchased new rubber belting (used in round balers) and uses a 12' belt (6'between centers) to run a stover burr mill. The belt does not slip and works well. I believe the belt is ~5" wide. Steve --- Richard Strobel wrote: Question please to you folks. Has anyone ever tried to use (as a flat belt[on pulley's]) the belt used on a NG New Holland round balers? This is the black rubber(?) belt that winds up the hay into a round bale. Believe there's around 4,5, or 6 of them. If so, how'd ya make out? Thanks in anticipation! RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Oct 5 07:16:30 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 08:16:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Grain Elevator and flat belt question References: <20041005134537.5190.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Steve! The local farm supply has some used ones and I'm sure the price would be right. I'll check them out in the next few days. Catcha later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Grain Elevator and flat belt question > Rick > > A friend has purchased new rubber belting (used in round balers) and uses > a 12' belt (6'between centers) to run a stover burr mill. The belt does > not slip and works well. I believe the belt is ~5" wide. > > Steve > > --- Richard Strobel wrote: > > > > Question please to you folks. Has anyone ever tried to use (as a flat > belt[on pulley's]) the belt used on a NG New Holland round balers? This > is the black rubber(?) belt that winds up the hay into a round bale. > Believe there's around 4,5, or 6 of them. If so, how'd ya make out? > > Thanks in anticipation! > RickinMt. > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Oct 5 07:25:37 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 14:25:37 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Old Grain Elevator and flat belt question Message-ID: <100520041425.5280.4b53@mchsi.com> Steve, Please contact me off list. Curt Andree > Rick > > A friend has purchased new rubber belting (used in round balers) and uses > a 12' belt (6'between centers) to run a stover burr mill. The belt does > not slip and works well. I believe the belt is ~5" wide. > > Steve > > --- Richard Strobel wrote: > > > > Question please to you folks. Has anyone ever tried to use (as a flat > belt[on pulley's]) the belt used on a NG New Holland round balers? This > is the black rubber(?) belt that winds up the hay into a round bale. > Believe there's around 4,5, or 6 of them. If so, how'd ya make out? > > Thanks in anticipation! > RickinMt. > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Oct 5 07:27:27 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:27:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT Message-ID: <20041005.103305.756.4.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks Bill, Mainly - It's because I have all these 9V batteries from my Smoke Alarms that seem perfectly good and I hate to throw them away. I figured it would be easy to find a "cheap" flash light that uses 9V's. But - No luck. Thanks for the advice. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "?You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Oct 5 07:32:57 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:32:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Grain Elevator and flat belt question Message-ID: <20041005.103305.756.5.jlb94@juno.com> the belt used on a NG New Holland round balers? = = = = = = Hi Rick, Nice pic. Looks professional. Have no idea what kind of belt is used on a bailer. I have used automobile serpentine belts on a Maytag to run a grinding wheel and it worked fine. Is that close ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From mtucker at uky.edu Tue Oct 5 07:33:49 2004 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:33:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Grain Elevator and flat belt question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Has anyone ever tried to use (as a flat >belt[on pulley's]) the belt used on a NG New Holland round balers? This is >the black rubber(?) belt that winds up the hay into a round bale. Believe >there's around 4,5, or 6 of them. If so, how'd ya make out? Rick, I use a 4" wide one for my little burr mill and it works great. It is very pliable and doesn't slip. Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From George_Best at adp.com Tue Oct 5 07:50:14 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 07:50:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT Message-ID: Do a Google search for "9v flashlight" and you'll get 31 hits, leave the quotes off and you'll get thousands. All the 9v flashlight stuff I saw were using LED's for the bulb. Now that I've answered this off topic question, let me ask why people post these questions rather than doing a simple search first? George Best > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > jlb94 at juno.com > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 5:01 PM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT > > Hi List, > > Does anyone know of a flashlight that uses a 9V battery ? > > Yes - THe 9V like in a transistor radio. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "?You know you're getting old - > \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Oct 5 08:35:09 2004 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 11:35:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nelson Brothers Jumbo Message-ID: Hi Joe, I don't have a picture here with me but the return spring does fit into the big spoon on the rocker arm on my Nelson Bros. Steve Royster >From: Joe Kelley >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Nelson Brothers Jumbo >Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 19:29:47 -0400 > >Hi gang, I am restoring a Nelson Bros 3 hp Jumbo (which I will sell). Can >anyone tell me or have a picture of the return spring that pushes on the >rocker arm which in turn pushes the pushrod back onto the cam gear? I >think this may fit into the big "spoon" part of the rocker arm. Thanks >Joe Kelley >You can send the pic to jfk52 at tds.net > >________________________________________________________________ >Get your name as your email address. >Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more >Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Oct 5 15:30:00 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:30:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT In-Reply-To: <008801c4aa84$20216140$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> References: <008801c4aa84$20216140$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <181C551C-171E-11D9-84B1-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Oughta be great for LEDs. On Oct 4, 2004, at 10:36 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote: > I'd be sort of surprised if there was such a thing due to the nature > of the > battery - low draw over long periods, other factors. They just weren't > made > to "light lights". > If it existed, it wouldn't be your ordinary flashlamp light bulb. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Oct 5 15:33:08 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:33:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT In-Reply-To: <20041005.103305.756.4.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20041005.103305.756.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <881203F5-171E-11D9-84B1-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Hook 'em up in series and make B batteries for old tube farm radios. 5 of 'em make a nice 45V B battery, 10 for 90V. John On Oct 5, 2004, at 10:27 AM, jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Thanks Bill, > > Mainly - It's because I have all these 9V batteries from my Smoke > Alarms > that seem perfectly good and I hate to throw them away. > > I figured it would be easy to find a "cheap" flash light that uses > 9V's. > > But - No luck. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From galoway4 at earthlink.net Tue Oct 5 17:13:37 2004 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:13:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT References: Message-ID: <002101c4ab39$555f96f0$07db5a42@jake> Because we have you! ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 9:50 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Batteries - OT > Do a Google search for "9v flashlight" and you'll get 31 hits, leave the quotes off and you'll get thousands. > > All the 9v flashlight stuff I saw were using LED's for the bulb. > > Now that I've answered this off topic question, let me ask why people post these questions rather than doing a simple search first? > > George Best > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > jlb94 at juno.com > > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 5:01 PM > > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT > > > > Hi List, > > > > Does anyone know of a flashlight that uses a 9V battery ? > > > > Yes - THe 9V like in a transistor radio. > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > jlb94 at juno.com > > ,-._,-. "?You know you're getting old - > > \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." > > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Oct 5 17:51:26 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:51:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Valve guides one more time? Message-ID: <014a01c4ab3e$9cb8df20$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Here's where I'm coming from guys and gals. I have never rebuilt one of these engines, but I am documenting my rebuild. I want the information to be accurate. Bad information is worse than none at all. I am hoping you veterans will share your experiences when I ask questions. Once again I am considering using modern thin wall bronze guides, but would love to hear how others have handled this. Knurling is not an option for me on this, but might work for others. Any help is appreciated. Thanks for the responses from Montana, all two of them. Appreciated and hoped for more. This is an engine forum if I remember correctly. Do I need to find a battery forum for this question? :-) Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Oct 5 18:10:36 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:10:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Valve guides one more time? Message-ID: <20041005.181037.928.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Jeff. Most of my engines are in the 1? to 5 hp range, and when I have loose valve guides I find an automotive valve a few thousandths over and ream the guide to fit the new valve. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:51:26 -0600 "Jeff Allen" writes: > Hello all, > > Here's where I'm coming from guys and gals. I have never rebuilt one > of these engines, but I am documenting my rebuild. I want the > information to be accurate. Bad information is worse than none at > all. I am hoping you veterans will share your experiences when I ask > questions. > > Once again I am considering using modern thin wall bronze guides, > but would love to hear how others have handled this. Knurling is not > an option for me on this, but might work for others. Any help is > appreciated. > > Thanks for the responses from Montana, all two of them. Appreciated > and hoped for more. > > This is an engine forum if I remember correctly. Do I need to find a > battery forum for this question? :-) > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Oct 5 20:02:59 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:02:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Valve guides one more time? References: <20041005.181037.928.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <001e01c4ab50$fd5117a0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Thanks Ron, That's the kind of tips I'm looking for. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Valve guides one more time? > Hi Jeff. Most of my engines are in the 1? to 5 hp range, and when I have > loose valve guides I find an automotive valve a few thousandths over and > ream the guide to fit the new valve. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:51:26 -0600 "Jeff Allen" > writes: >> Hello all, >> >> Here's where I'm coming from guys and gals. I have never rebuilt one >> of these engines, but I am documenting my rebuild. I want the >> information to be accurate. Bad information is worse than none at >> all. I am hoping you veterans will share your experiences when I ask >> questions. >> >> Once again I am considering using modern thin wall bronze guides, >> but would love to hear how others have handled this. Knurling is not >> an option for me on this, but might work for others. Any help is >> appreciated. >> >> Thanks for the responses from Montana, all two of them. Appreciated >> and hoped for more. >> >> This is an engine forum if I remember correctly. Do I need to find a >> battery forum for this question? :-) >> >> Regards, >> >> Jeff Allen >> Arvada, Colorado USA >> >> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ >> http://frapa.us/ >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Oct 5 20:47:28 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 04:47:28 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT References: <20041005.103305.756.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <001c01c4ab57$3347bb60$6b856ad5@no1> If anyone needs cheap 9v batteries try the heart monitor service at your local hospital. Our uses them once for a few hours on each patient & then puts a new one in for the next patient.. The almost unused batteries they sell at 4 for a pound with the money going to charity! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Batteries - OT > Thanks Bill, > > Mainly - It's because I have all these 9V batteries from my Smoke Alarms > that seem perfectly good and I hate to throw them away. > > I figured it would be easy to find a "cheap" flash light that uses 9V's. > > But - No luck. > > Thanks for the advice. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "?You know you're getting old - > \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Oct 5 20:53:36 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 23:53:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT Message-ID: <20041006.001205.1180.1.jlb94@juno.com> Now that I've answered this off topic question, let me ask why people post these questions rather than doing a simple search first? = = = = = = Never thought of it - - - Thanks George, Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From nick at holden1.net Tue Oct 5 23:08:39 2004 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 07:08:39 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT References: <20041004.203534.868.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <41638BE7.000001.01460@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> The type of lamp you put on your head with a strap like the ones snap-on sell take 9V battery,s -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 10/05/04 03:17:07 To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT Hi List, Does anyone know of a flashlight that uses a 9V battery ? Yes - THe 9V like in a transistor radio. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "?You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel . From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Oct 5 23:41:31 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:41:31 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Valve guides one more time? References: <014a01c4ab3e$9cb8df20$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <002001c4ab6f$83bf2c00$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Jeff, what equipment do you have to repair valve guides, seats etc? John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web Once again I am considering using modern thin wall bronze guides, but would love to hear how others have handled this. Knurling is not an option for me on this, but might work for others. Any help is appreciated. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From plb at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 6 02:17:50 2004 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:17:50 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Valve guides one more time? References: <014a01c4ab3e$9cb8df20$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <02c101c4ab85$5aa85d80$0100a8c0@Portable> On a Lister I recently did the valve stems were pitted. I machined them to clean up. The old guides were shot so I removed them and reamed the bores back to round and then made new ones out of soft cast iron. Made them around .001 thou interferance in the new bores and made the ID's a bit of clearance on the valve stems. They seem to be working well. The old ones were also cast iron and they went for 80 years. Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:51 AM Subject: [SEL] Valve guides one more time? Hello all, Here's where I'm coming from guys and gals. I have never rebuilt one of these engines, but I am documenting my rebuild. I want the information to be accurate. Bad information is worse than none at all. I am hoping you veterans will share your experiences when I ask questions. Once again I am considering using modern thin wall bronze guides, but would love to hear how others have handled this. Knurling is not an option for me on this, but might work for others. Any help is appreciated. Thanks for the responses from Montana, all two of them. Appreciated and hoped for more. This is an engine forum if I remember correctly. Do I need to find a battery forum for this question? :-) Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Wed Oct 6 04:11:06 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:11:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Valve guides one more time? Message-ID: <3a5bqj$9ktg89@mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net> > > On a Lister I recently did the valve stems were pitted. I machined them to > clean up. The old guides were shot so I removed them and reamed the bores > back to round and then made new ones out of soft cast iron. Made them around > .001 thou interferance in the new bores and made the ID's a bit of clearance > on the valve stems. They seem to be working well. The old ones were also > cast iron and they went for 80 years. > Ray Freeman > Once again I am considering using modern thin wall bronze guides, but would > love to hear how others have handled this. Knurling is not an option for me > on this, but might work for others. Any help is appreciated. > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > Cast iron is supposed to be better than bronze in this case where you have limited lubrication. Bronze is good when fed by continuous lube. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Oct 6 05:56:47 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 06:56:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Grain Elevator and flat belt question References: <20041005.103305.756.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Thanks Pip....you too Mike! Will look further into those belts. The price should be right and they should clean up nicely. Hope ya had a nice summer....Mt. was great with very few fires and the trees are turning their fall colors. My machinist friend has caught "THE OLD IRON BUG" now and found himself a nice low tension IHC 1.5hp "M". He machined the gib key puller listed in the manual and it worked like a champ. It's coming apart nicely and he's taking his time. Hopefully I've convinced him to completely rebuild the mixer and down the road we can work it and even possibly inject some water. Still amazed they used dirty hopper water. Well take care, Rick PS: Volcano cam at: http://www.fs.fed.us/gpnf/volcanocams/msh/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Grain Elevator and flat belt question > the belt used on a NG New Holland round balers? > = = = = = = > Hi Rick, > Nice pic. Looks professional. > > Have no idea what kind of belt is used on a bailer. > > I have used automobile serpentine belts on a Maytag to run a grinding > wheel and > it worked fine. > > Is that close ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - > \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Oct 6 06:18:02 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 07:18:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" Message-ID: For my machinist friend Corky, alias Spud.....soon to join the SEL. On his 1.5hp low tension IHC "M", the water needle valve is broke off with half of it still inside the mixer. Any suggestions on how to get it out? He wants it original. Also were zerk grease fittings OEM on the mains? We looked at a greased up cc breather yesterday and now understand why they're so pricy. Does anyone have a picture of the water injection "Check valve" affair in the mixer? Thanks much gang. RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Oct 6 06:33:05 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 07:33:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gib Key removal Message-ID: Yea, me again :-( Well we have a 5/8 x 3" Gib that is having fun with us. A huge slide hammer hasn't budged it, nor has a tapered punch. I would think that the slide hammer would extert a humungus force on the key but there's where the mystery for me starts. So is it time to drill, tap, and use a bottle jack puller like Ron Haskell did or use the welder and weld on a stud? Or should we just blow out the key with a gas axe? Havin' a ball in Mt. with the ole iron, RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From plb at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 6 06:34:50 2004 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:34:50 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" References: Message-ID: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable> The needles on mine are brass. Can it be drilled out? All the engines I have seen have cups on the mains. Mine even has a grease cup to lubricate the camshaft where it exits the side plate. There was no bush or bearing in there but as it was worn I machined it and made a bronze bearing for it. Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:18 PM Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > For my machinist friend Corky, alias Spud.....soon to join the SEL. > > On his 1.5hp low tension IHC "M", the water needle valve is broke off > with half of it still inside the mixer. Any suggestions on how to get it > out? He wants it original. > Also were zerk grease fittings OEM on the mains? > > We looked at a greased up cc breather yesterday and now understand why > they're so pricy. > > Does anyone have a picture of the water injection "Check valve" affair in > the mixer? > > > Thanks much gang. > > RickinMt. > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plb at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 6 06:47:47 2004 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:47:47 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Gib Key removal References: Message-ID: <02fb01c4abab$108addb0$0100a8c0@Portable> Weld the stud first. That gives you the drilling option if it don't work.It would be harder the other way around.I would be using the torch as a last resrt only. Once you start with that there are no more options after that! Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:33 PM Subject: [SEL] Gib Key removal > Yea, me again :-( > > Well we have a 5/8 x 3" Gib that is having fun with us. A huge slide > hammer hasn't budged it, nor has a tapered punch. I would think that the > slide hammer would extert a humungus force on the key but there's where > the mystery for me starts. So is it time to drill, tap, and use a bottle > jack puller like Ron Haskell did or use the welder and weld on a stud? Or > should we just blow out the key with a gas axe? > > Havin' a ball in Mt. with the ole iron, > > RickinMt. > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From marvhed at ecenet.com Wed Oct 6 07:35:10 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:35:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Gib Key removal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24001.199.62.0.252.1097073310.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> i was able to get a stubborn gib key out that had lost it's tang by welding (2) 1/8" x 1" wide x 4" long plates on either side of the key and then welding the plates to the rod of a home made slide hammer. i now have a hole in the end of one of the plates to hook the tang on the new key. marv in minn >> Well we have a 5/8 x 3" Gib that is having fun with us. A huge slide > hammer > hasn't budged it, nor has a tapered punch. I would think that the slide > hammer would extert a humungus force on the key but there's where the > mystery for me starts. So is it time to drill, tap, and use a bottle jack > puller like Ron Haskell did or use the welder and weld on a stud? Or > should > we just blow out the key with a gas axe? > > Havin' a ball in Mt. with the ole iron, > > RickinMt. From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Oct 6 07:57:44 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:57:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Batteries - OT In-Reply-To: <001c01c4ab57$3347bb60$6b856ad5@no1> References: <20041005.103305.756.4.jlb94@juno.com> <001c01c4ab57$3347bb60$6b856ad5@no1> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041006105603.021232e0@mail.alltel.net> At 11:47 PM 10/5/2004, you wrote: >If anyone needs cheap 9v batteries try the heart >monitor service at your local hospital. I tried that several years ago. Had to give it up after several of the guys on the monitors went room temperature and the monitor failed to alert anyone! Dave From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Oct 6 08:09:29 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:09:29 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" References: Message-ID: <000701c4abb6$7a24b4c0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Rick, that's not so pretty when the water needle valve is broken. You have to try to drill it out, but not deeper than about an inch, that way you have the change the needle point will fall out because it's thinner than the threads. The outer brass tube with the threads and the valve seat is pressed in at the factory and the only thing you could do is made a complete new unit with a suction hole at the right place. See the pics I made for ya at these addresses: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/needle.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/carbM.jpg The grease fittings are OEM for the mains, cam gear and crankshaft. The water check valve is one complete unit of brass, when you thumble the carb you will see and hear the pear shaped ball falling in its seat. When it's kaput Hit 'n Miss sells them new. Happy playing both of you, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > On his 1.5hp low tension IHC "M", the water needle valve is broke off with > half of it still inside the mixer. Any suggestions on how to get it out? > He wants it original. > Also were zerk grease fittings OEM on the mains? > We looked at a greased up cc breather yesterday and now understand why > they're so pricy. > Does anyone have a picture of the water injection "Check valve" affair in > the mixer? > Thanks much gang. > RickinMt. From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Wed Oct 6 08:21:43 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:21:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] fatal accident, Jackson County, Oregon Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7025496F6@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Tractor driver killed at Harvest Fair event By DAMIAN MANN Mail Tribune A tractor flipped over killing the 60-year-old driver Sunday afternoon during the Harvest Fair at the Jackson County Expo Center, according to Sheriff's officials and eyewitnesses. The name of the victim was withheld until notification of next of kin. "I thought we could save his life, but he was pretty badly injured," said Carl Sieg, a member of branch 141 of the Early Day Gas Engine and Tractor Association. The Medford resident was one of a group of men who helped pull the vintage International Farmall off the victim, while other people pulled him out. Sieg said he watched with some alarm as the man inched up a steep ramp toward the trailer. (more) http://www.mailtribune.com/archive/2004/0927/local/stories/16local.htm CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From George_Best at adp.com Wed Oct 6 09:34:28 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:34:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] fatal accident, Jackson County, Oregon Message-ID: I read about this very shortly after it happened. The guy killed was a tractor puller from California. He was loading his tractor after the tractor pull when the accident happened. >From years of attending shows, I know that the loading and unloading of tractors or engines is when the majority of the accidents occur. I've witnessed several accidents where someone could have been killed and was lucky enough to survive. The news article mentioned backing on as the safest way, but I'd say winching is even safer than backing on. The majority of the loading/unloading accidents I've seen would have been prevented or less dangerous if a winch had been used. George Best > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Bruce Younger > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:22 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] fatal accident, Jackson County, Oregon > > Tractor driver killed at Harvest Fair event By DAMIAN MANN > Mail Tribune A tractor flipped over killing the 60-year-old > driver Sunday afternoon during the Harvest Fair at the > Jackson County Expo Center, according to Sheriff's officials > and eyewitnesses. > > The name of the victim was withheld until notification of next of kin. > > "I thought we could save his life, but he was pretty badly injured," > said Carl Sieg, a member of branch 141 of the Early Day Gas > Engine and Tractor Association. > > The Medford resident was one of a group of men who helped > pull the vintage International Farmall off the victim, while > other people pulled him out. > > Sieg said he watched with some alarm as the man inched up a > steep ramp toward the trailer. > > (more) > http://www.mailtribune.com/archive/2004/0927/local/stories/16local.htm > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: > > This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the > property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential > and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or > entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the > named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you > have received this message in error, please notify the sender > at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from > your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, > forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly > prohibited. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Oct 6 12:05:32 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:05:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] fatal accident, Jackson County, Oregon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <416441FC.5070707@scrtc.com> George, I agree that winching (with a winch that has a good brake) is the best method to load. I saw a guy loading a small antique crawler on a steel plated tilt bed truck once. He evidently wanted to put it all the way to the front. It went fine until he got to the very front of the bed and it bumped the railing. It caused the tracks to spin on the steel bed and off it went on the side. It slid off and landed perfectly flat on the tracks. Luckily kind of a fluke thing for him. The guy just sat on it for a few minutes and then got off. He walked about 10 feet and colapsed. He was OK but really shook up. He name is David Bunnell (some of you may know him) and he and I always mention it when we're around one another. I had a winch latch break on me once and a 2000 lb engine on trucks rolled over both hands breaking them. Both were ina cast and it wasn't pleasant when I couldn't even go to the bathroom without help. With the old iron (and other things) you can never be too careful. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky George Best wrote: > I read about this very shortly after it happened. The guy killed was a > tractor puller from California. He was loading his tractor after the > tractor pull when the accident happened. > >>From years of attending shows, I know that the loading and unloading of > tractors or engines is when the majority of the accidents occur. I've > witnessed several accidents where someone could have been killed and was > lucky enough to survive. > > The news article mentioned backing on as the safest way, but I'd say > winching is even safer than backing on. > > The majority of the loading/unloading accidents I've seen would have > been prevented or less dangerous if a winch had been used. > > George Best > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >>Bruce Younger >>Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:22 AM >>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>Subject: [SEL] fatal accident, Jackson County, Oregon >> >>Tractor driver killed at Harvest Fair event By DAMIAN MANN >>Mail Tribune A tractor flipped over killing the 60-year-old >>driver Sunday afternoon during the Harvest Fair at the >>Jackson County Expo Center, according to Sheriff's officials >>and eyewitnesses. >> >>The name of the victim was withheld until notification of next of kin. >> >>"I thought we could save his life, but he was pretty badly injured," >>said Carl Sieg, a member of branch 141 of the Early Day Gas >>Engine and Tractor Association. >> >>The Medford resident was one of a group of men who helped >>pull the vintage International Farmall off the victim, while >>other people pulled him out. >> >>Sieg said he watched with some alarm as the man inched up a >>steep ramp toward the trailer. >> >>(more) >>http://www.mailtribune.com/archive/2004/0927/local/stories/16local.htm >> >>CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: >> >>This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the >>property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential >>and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or >>entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the >>named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you >>have received this message in error, please notify the sender >>at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from >>your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, >>forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly >>prohibited. >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Oct 6 13:54:55 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:54:55 EDT Subject: [SEL] Valve guides one more time? Message-ID: <79.358dd7f8.2e95b59f@aol.com> In a message dated 10/5/2004 8:47:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: << Once again I am considering using modern thin wall bronze guides >> Jeff, There are two good ways in my opinion. You can use modern bronze guides installed by a head rebuilding shop, having them install and do a valve job on your head. Or, you can find oversize valves/stems, and ream you guides out to fit the stem diameter and do a valve job from there. The old chevy 350 valves are great to find and keep around for some of these jobs. Some shops throw them away, and it is good to pick up a few worn valves to keep for your projects. All of the above is assuming you have no shop equipment to do the work yourself. Lots of the folks on the list are machinists have their own equipment to do work like this. The head work I have had done around here is not too expensive. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From wilson at stny.rr.com Wed Oct 6 14:27:53 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:27:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] fatal accident, Jackson County, Oregon In-Reply-To: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7025496F6@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: Or use a winch. Glenn Wilson's 2 cents -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Younger Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 11:22 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] fatal accident, Jackson County, Oregon Tractor driver killed at Harvest Fair event By DAMIAN MANN Mail Tribune A tractor flipped over killing the 60-year-old driver Sunday afternoon during the Harvest Fair at the Jackson County Expo Center, according to Sheriff's officials and eyewitnesses. The name of the victim was withheld until notification of next of kin. "I thought we could save his life, but he was pretty badly injured," said Carl Sieg, a member of branch 141 of the Early Day Gas Engine and Tractor Association. The Medford resident was one of a group of men who helped pull the vintage International Farmall off the victim, while other people pulled him out. Sieg said he watched with some alarm as the man inched up a steep ramp toward the trailer. (more) http://www.mailtribune.com/archive/2004/0927/local/stories/16local.htm CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wrl at gwltd.com Wed Oct 6 15:54:19 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:54:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Guy Message-ID: <003a01c4abf7$6eacb2a0$0800005a@davem.com> Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very avtive list too. I just brought home to engines. One is a Stover CT 1, it has a Wico ek mag on it that's not working. I hope to have this one running by the weekend. I may ask for advise on the mag, if I don't get it to fire after tonight. The other engine is a IH, not sure of the model yet. I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope to get it working so I can grind my own feed for my chickens. I plan to run it off my 48 JD B. Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Oct 6 16:18:29 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:18:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma Message-ID: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon> I got the club Mag. today and inside was some of the NHMA newsletter. I have scanned the page and will send it off list to anyone interested. However, here is one bit I want to comment on. "A small minority of members cannot understand the nessessity of fences around exhibits.I suggest these members consider that fences protect them from the public. When tools and equipment,magnetos and perhaps engines are found missing,and some person places an iron bar or their head in your flywheels, or your tractor is sabotaged, then perhaps we will hear some support for fences" This is from the president J.W. Stanley! So, not only are the public needing protection from us, WE are in need of protection from the public! All of whom,it seems are there to rob and steal, commit suicide,and vandalise all exhibits! And the wire fence is a magic way of stopping all the above occurring! I am putting this up for discussion and to show the mindset that is the NHMA. Another section. "I am concerned that tractors and vehicles are being exhibited unfenced at some rallies. in these cases THE CLUB AND EXHIBITOR ARE NOT INSURED' So, what is a static tractor or old car going to do? Explode if there is no fence? Words now fail me!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Oct 6 16:14:54 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:14:54 +0200 Subject: [SEL] New Guy References: <003a01c4abf7$6eacb2a0$0800005a@davem.com> Message-ID: <000701c4abfa$4a3382c0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Welcome aboard Dave, interesting city you live in. Visited already JD three times in the past years. Curious what IH you have. Regards,John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very avtive list too. I just brought home to engines. One is a Stover CT 1, it has a Wico ek mag on it that's not working. I hope to have this one running by the weekend. I may ask for advise on the mag, if I don't get it to fire after tonight. The other engine is a IH, not sure of the model yet. I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope to get it working so I can grind my own feed for my chickens. I plan to run it off my 48 JD B. Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Oct 6 16:24:06 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:24:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] colin Message-ID: <002601c4abfb$96bb1300$ac0d1bd3@athlon> I got this just now. I am sure she would like messages from you at this time. cmac at zip.com.au Personal Information: Address: 104 Pebbly Hill Rd. Maraylya NSW 2765 Phone: 02 45 736 276 Dear Reg, Sorry to say, but Colin passed away on Tuesday at 2am, Andrew and I where with him, and as you saw it was a welcome relief for him, he got alot worse the day after you saw him, I feel empty, sad and very very sorry. I miss him terriblely already. Made the funeral arrangements today, Colin will be buried at Caslebrook Cemetery in Rouse Hill after a service in their chapel on Monday at 2pm. Thank you kindly for seeing him the other day, I know that he did respond to your voice and knew that you where there, and thank you for your supporting words to me. I am sure we'll talk again . With gratitude, Chris. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Oct 6 18:06:00 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:06:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New Guy References: <003a01c4abf7$6eacb2a0$0800005a@davem.com> Message-ID: <003d01c4ac09$d0061840$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Dave, Welcome to the list. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Mayfield" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 4:54 PM Subject: [SEL] New Guy Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very avtive list too. I just brought home to engines. One is a Stover CT 1, it has a Wico ek mag on it that's not working. I hope to have this one running by the weekend. I may ask for advise on the mag, if I don't get it to fire after tonight. The other engine is a IH, not sure of the model yet. I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope to get it working so I can grind my own feed for my chickens. I plan to run it off my 48 JD B. Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Oct 6 18:04:49 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 21:04:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Guy In-Reply-To: <003a01c4abf7$6eacb2a0$0800005a@davem.com> References: <003a01c4abf7$6eacb2a0$0800005a@davem.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041006210028.0223e128@mail.alltel.net> At 06:54 PM 10/6/2004, you wrote: >Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very avtive list too. I >just brought home to engines. One is a Stover CT 1, it has a Wico ek mag >on it that's not working. I hope to have this one running by the weekend. >I may ask for advise on the mag, if I don't get it to fire after tonight. >The other engine is a IH, not sure of the model yet. >I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope to get it working so I >can grind my own feed for my chickens. I plan to run it off my 48 JD B. >Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. Hi Dave, Welcome to the List! Be sure to hold on to your ass because it's a rough ride at times (usually in the dead of winter when "cabin fever" sets in!) The guys and gals on this List, however, will help you in any way they can. It's really a big family with the usual "crack-pots" that can be found in any family! Dave PS, Several of the BEST ignition men in the world are on the List--so ask away! From mrengine at comcast.net Wed Oct 6 18:11:51 2004 From: mrengine at comcast.net (mrengine at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 01:11:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <100720040111.21985.416497D60009E731000055E122007503300A020709020A9D03@comcast.net> Dave welcome.This is a great list and a great bunch of folks here. Frank From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Oct 6 18:54:57 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:54:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <007701c4ac10$a652e080$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Reg, Please send me a copy. Your excerpt shows how out of control this group is and I want to read all of it. Just today I read the news of a fatality at a show. It was while loading a tractor. George Best wrote: *From years of attending shows, I know that the loading and unloading of tractors or engines is when the majority of the accidents occur. I've witnessed several accidents where someone could have been killed and was lucky enough to survive.* The fences would do what to prevent that? The NHMA spent how much on toilets? Too damn much if there is no security from vandals and the like! I'd rather wait in line to piss than have property damaged or stolen. Some person places an iron bar or their head in your flywheels My six year old grandson knows to keep a safe distance from flywheels, and would never consider placing anything near them with one exception. Some common sense, and some safety training on my part. I do let him load the Maytag flywheel with his shoe to make it pop, and always under supervision. When he tried the downhill side, I stopped him and the engine, and showed him why. His eyes got big and he got it right away. Keep at it mate. You are not alone in your feeling, and you are not giving up. More later? Probably huge flames after I read all of it. I feel your pain. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "List SEL" ; "oldengine list" Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 5:18 PM Subject: nhma >I got the club Mag. today and inside was some of the NHMA newsletter. > I have scanned the page and will send it off list to anyone interested. > However, here is one bit I want to comment on. > "A small minority of members cannot understand the nessessity of fences > around exhibits.I suggest these members consider that fences protect them > from the public. When tools and equipment,magnetos and perhaps engines are > found missing,and some person places an iron bar or their head in your > flywheels, or your tractor is sabotaged, then perhaps we will hear some > support for fences" > This is from the president J.W. Stanley! > > So, not only are the public needing protection from us, WE are in need of > protection from the public! All of whom,it seems are there to rob and > steal, commit suicide,and vandalise all exhibits! > > And the wire fence is a magic way of stopping all the above occurring! > > I am putting this up for discussion and to show the mindset that is the > NHMA. > > Another section. > "I am concerned that tractors and vehicles > are being exhibited unfenced at some rallies. in these cases THE CLUB AND > EXHIBITOR ARE NOT INSURED' > > So, what is a static tractor or old car going to do? Explode if there is > no > fence? > > Words now fail me!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > From glenn.karch at gte.net Wed Oct 6 19:35:51 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:35:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Guy References: <003a01c4abf7$6eacb2a0$0800005a@davem.com> Message-ID: <001e01c4ac16$5fcc50a0$39c9e641@oemcomputer> Welcome Dave to the list. Some of us participate and some of us lurk until something turns us on. Be assured that all the help you will ever need with engine problems is just an email away. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Mayfield" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 5:54 PM Subject: [SEL] New Guy Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very avtive list too. I just brought home to engines. One is a Stover CT 1, it has a Wico ek mag on it that's not working. I hope to have this one running by the weekend. I may ask for advise on the mag, if I don't get it to fire after tonight. The other engine is a IH, not sure of the model yet. I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope to get it working so I can grind my own feed for my chickens. I plan to run it off my 48 JD B. Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tsmith at hal-pc.org Wed Oct 6 19:31:44 2004 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:31:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] HI Message-ID: <006201c4ac15$cb10c0e0$ec87b4ce@toms> Hi list members. I'm not only new to the list but also new to Hit N Miss engines. Being a novice, I'll keep a very low profile until I can learn a few things. I recently bought a FM 3hp "Z" rust bucket that appears nearly complete but for starters has a stuck piston and who knows what the cylinder looks like (I bought it from out of town without the ability to pull the head). Anyway I'm looking forward to working with it and learning as I go. I do have a moderately equipped shop with a old WW2 ship tool room lathe and a Clausing mill, but lack much more than a casual knowledge of hit n miss iron. I'm in the Houston, TX area. Thanks, Tom From BillMil357 at aol.com Wed Oct 6 20:09:18 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:09:18 EDT Subject: [SEL] New Guy Message-ID: <11.3581e773.2e960d5e@aol.com> Hey Dave; Welcome to the list, I have been on it about 7 years and sure have learned a lot. Bill Miller Memphis, TN. From BillMil357 at aol.com Wed Oct 6 20:11:43 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:11:43 EDT Subject: [SEL] HI Message-ID: <154.407972f6.2e960def@aol.com> Hey Tom; Welcome to the List, this is the place to learn a lot about antique stationary engines. See Ya, Bill Miller. Memphis, TN. From johnwyant at revealed.net Wed Oct 6 20:34:45 2004 From: johnwyant at revealed.net (johnwyant) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:34:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Guy In-Reply-To: <003a01c4abf7$6eacb2a0$0800005a@davem.com> Message-ID: <200410070334.i973Yvkr025718@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hey Dave, Good to see You've gotten the engine bug now to. C-ya John -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Mayfield Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 5:54 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] New Guy Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very avtive list too. I just brought home to engines. One is a Stover CT 1, it has a Wico ek mag on it that's not working. I hope to have this one running by the weekend. I may ask for advise on the mag, if I don't get it to fire after tonight. The other engine is a IH, not sure of the model yet. I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope to get it working so I can grind my own feed for my chickens. I plan to run it off my 48 JD B. Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Wed Oct 6 20:22:10 2004 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:22:10 EDT Subject: [SEL] New Guy Message-ID: <64.458d6536.2e961062@aol.com> In a message dated 10/6/2004 3:55:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wrl at gwltd.com writes: > > Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. > _______________________________________________ And a Howdy to you too Dave, and welcome aboard! Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV Members of W.A.P.A, (Western Antique Power Associates) The older the violin....the sweeter the music! From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Oct 6 21:01:27 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:01:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] colin Message-ID: <20041007.002415.1180.5.jlb94@juno.com> A moment of silence - Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Oct 6 21:19:38 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:19:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] HI Message-ID: <20041007.002415.1180.11.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Tom, Welcome ! As for your shop - You're about 10 steps ahead of me with a tool room lathe. Most of my stuff is done with a Gas Wrench - BFH - Chisel & Grinder. Good to have ya aboard. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Oct 6 21:03:25 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:03:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Guy Message-ID: <20041007.002415.1180.6.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Dave, Good to have ya aboard - I have a CT-1 with WICO 1941 I think. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Oct 6 21:33:04 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:33:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] nhma Message-ID: <20041007.003308.1180.15.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Reg, I was thinking the other day at a show. Ya Know - - - Some of the BEST SHOWS - don't have any fences. Maybe - Just Maybe - A rope to keep the exhibitors in a line but that's about it. I think a single rope is plenty to keep people out. Just my 2 cents. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Thu Oct 7 02:35:52 2004 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 19:35:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Valve guides one more time? Message-ID: Hi Jeff, As John said it all depends on what equipment you have in your shop. On some smaller engines I used to take the head to a workshop that specialise in head work and had bronze inserts fitted to suit seconhand car valves that are roughly the correct size in the stem. I have a friend with a valve grinder and a proper seating set so the job is easy but otherwise the place that does the guide inserts would grind the valves and seats. On bigger engines I rheem out the guides and make valves to suit on the lathe. My mate then grinds them for me and I lap them in. It is not a particularly hard job. Hope this helps some. Good luck. Regards, Lyndsay in OZ >From: "Jeff Allen" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Subject: [SEL] Valve guides one more time? >Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:51:26 -0600 > >Hello all, > >Here's where I'm coming from guys and gals. I have never rebuilt one of >these engines, but I am documenting my rebuild. I want the information to >be accurate. Bad information is worse than none at all. I am hoping you >veterans will share your experiences when I ask questions. > >Once again I am considering using modern thin wall bronze guides, but would >love to hear how others have handled this. Knurling is not an option for me >on this, but might work for others. Any help is appreciated. > >Thanks for the responses from Montana, all two of them. Appreciated and >hoped for more. > >This is an engine forum if I remember correctly. Do I need to find a >battery forum for this question? :-) > >Regards, > >Jeff Allen >Arvada, Colorado USA > >http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ >http://frapa.us/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Find love today with ninemsn personals. Click here: http://ninemsn.match.com?referrer=hotmailtagline From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Oct 6 16:39:47 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:39:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] fatal accident, Jackson County, Oregon References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7025496F6@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: <001401c4ac52$fb30ed80$0100007f@athlon> See! No fence!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Younger" To: Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 1:21 AM Subject: [SEL] fatal accident, Jackson County, Oregon > Tractor driver killed at Harvest Fair event > By DAMIAN MANN > Mail Tribune > A tractor flipped over killing the 60-year-old driver Sunday afternoon > during the Harvest Fair at the Jackson County Expo Center, according to > Sheriff's officials and eyewitnesses. > > The name of the victim was withheld until notification of next of kin. > > "I thought we could save his life, but he was pretty badly injured," > said Carl Sieg, a member of branch 141 of the Early Day Gas Engine and > Tractor Association. > > The Medford resident was one of a group of men who helped pull the > vintage International Farmall off the victim, while other people pulled > him out. > > Sieg said he watched with some alarm as the man inched up a steep ramp > toward the trailer. > > (more) > http://www.mailtribune.com/archive/2004/0927/local/stories/16local.htm From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Oct 7 03:25:27 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:25:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] fatal accident, Jackson County, Oregon In-Reply-To: <416441FC.5070707@scrtc.com> References: <416441FC.5070707@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041007062433.02301950@mail.alltel.net> > I had a winch latch break on me once and a 2000 lb engine on trucks > rolled over both hands breaking them. Both were ina cast and it wasn't > pleasant when I couldn't even go to the bathroom without help. >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, Ky It was tough opening the bathroom door? Dave From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Oct 7 04:03:11 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 11:03:11 +0000 Subject: [SEL] New Guy Message-ID: <100720041103.6956.7967@mchsi.com> Hi Dave, Welcome to our great family of fun and knowledge. Were you at the R&V reunion last fall? Iam the unoffical registry for Stover engines and if you send me your serial number beglad to research some history in the orginal sales/shipping records for you. Curt Andree McConnell,Ill. > Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very avtive list too. I just > brought home to engines. One is a Stover CT 1, it has a Wico ek mag on it that's > not working. I hope to have this one running by the weekend. I may ask for > advise on the mag, if I don't get it to fire after tonight. The other engine is > a IH, not sure of the model yet. > I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope to get it working so I can > grind my own feed for my chickens. I plan to run it off my 48 JD B. > > Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jnyost at yahoo.com Thu Oct 7 04:05:26 2004 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 04:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] New Guy In-Reply-To: <003a01c4abf7$6eacb2a0$0800005a@davem.com> Message-ID: <20041007110526.74092.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Dave, Welcome to the list. This list is full of knowledge. Ask any question and you will get an answer. Have fun with the list. Jim --- Dave Mayfield wrote: > Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very > avtive list too. I just brought home to engines. One > is a Stover CT 1, it has a Wico ek mag on it that's > not working. I hope to have this one running by the > weekend. I may ask for advise on the mag, if I don't > get it to fire after tonight. The other engine is a > IH, not sure of the model yet. > I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope > to get it working so I can grind my own feed for my > chickens. I plan to run it off my 48 JD B. > > Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you > all. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Ken.Erman at mastercam.com Thu Oct 7 04:48:39 2004 From: Ken.Erman at mastercam.com (Ken Erman) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:48:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Gib Key removal Message-ID: <45B673EB183FDB4EBEEE0F7E29E387D8F51279@r2.cncsoftware.com> Rick, I tried using a slide hammer on one for days with lots of heat and cussing and got no where. Then i welded a bolt to the end and used a pipe for a puller and it worked like a charm, but not without some serious pulling on a 1' long 1/2" drive socket. Here is a link to how i did it. http://community.webshots.com/album/81060592eqzEHv Ken Erman Windsor, CT. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at mastercam.com. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by McAfee VirusScan for the presence of computer viruses. CNC Software, Inc. www.mastercam.com ********************************************************************** From marvhed at ecenet.com Thu Oct 7 05:05:35 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:05:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] November GEM In-Reply-To: <416441FC.5070707@scrtc.com> References: <416441FC.5070707@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <2308.199.62.0.252.1097150735.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Tommy, good lookin cover pic and article!! thanks, marv in minn From wrl at gwltd.com Thu Oct 7 05:06:41 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:06:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Guy References: <100720041103.6956.7967@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <000e01c4ac66$20844ec0$648e99a6@davem.com> I Curt, that would be great. The number is 1A212340. I got the mag fixed last night, althought it a mess I may order some new parts for it and make it like new. I then put a few drops of gas in the intake, and it fired and ran about five revs, till the fuel ran out. I hope to get the fuel line fixed tonight and have it really running. Thanks for any info you can provideon this engine. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 6:03 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Guy > Hi Dave, > Welcome to our great family of fun and knowledge. Were you at the R&V reunion > last fall? Iam the unoffical registry for Stover engines and if you send me > your serial number beglad to research some history in the orginal > sales/shipping records for you. > Curt Andree > McConnell,Ill. > > Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very avtive list too. I just > > brought home to engines. One is a Stover CT 1, it has a Wico ek mag on it that's > > not working. I hope to have this one running by the weekend. I may ask for > > advise on the mag, if I don't get it to fire after tonight. The other engine is > > a IH, not sure of the model yet. > > I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope to get it working so I can > > grind my own feed for my chickens. I plan to run it off my 48 JD B. > > > > Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From wrl at gwltd.com Thu Oct 7 05:09:41 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:09:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Guy References: <200410070334.i973Yvkr025718@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <002601c4ac66$8948ae60$648e99a6@davem.com> Hi John, Yes the alpha show gave me the bug, so I called a buddie of mine that has three of everything god invented, and he sold me some. I should have the stover running tonight. See you at the next meeting, I hope to be there. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "johnwyant" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:34 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] New Guy > Hey Dave, Good to see You've gotten the engine bug now to. C-ya John > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Mayfield > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 5:54 PM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] New Guy > > Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very avtive list too. I just > brought home to engines. One is a Stover CT 1, it has a Wico ek mag on it > that's not working. I hope to have this one running by the weekend. I may > ask for advise on the mag, if I don't get it to fire after tonight. The > other engine is a IH, not sure of the model yet. > I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope to get it working so I > can grind my own feed for my chickens. I plan to run it off my 48 JD B. > > Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From wrl at gwltd.com Thu Oct 7 05:17:19 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:17:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Guy References: <003a01c4abf7$6eacb2a0$0800005a@davem.com> <000701c4abfa$4a3382c0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <005101c4ac67$99cbdd60$648e99a6@davem.com> Hello John, I really don't know. I am sure there are markings on it, but I have not really had time to look it over. I was not all that interested in it, but the guy sold it so cheep that I thought I had better bring it home. It's not very big 1/2 I would guess. I hope to find out for sure very soon. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Guy > Welcome aboard Dave, interesting city you live in. Visited > already JD three times in the past years. > Curious what IH you have. > > Regards,John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very avtive list too. I just brought home to engines. One is a Stover CT 1, it has > a Wico ek mag on it that's not working. I hope to have this one running by the weekend. I may ask for advise on the mag, if I > don't get it to fire after tonight. The other engine is a IH, not sure of the model yet. > I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope to get it working so I can grind my own feed for my chickens. I plan to run it > off my 48 JD B. > > Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 7 05:49:33 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:49:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] HI References: <006201c4ac15$cb10c0e0$ec87b4ce@toms> Message-ID: <003701c4ac6c$18f6f620$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> I do have a moderately equipped shop with a old WW2 ship tool room lathe and a Clausing mill, but lack much more than a casual knowledge of hit n miss iron. I'm in the Houston, TX area. >>>>>>> Have you run into subthicket dwellers Mr Carll or Mr Otto just down the coast ? Chuck Balyeat From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Oct 7 05:51:16 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 06:51:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] HI References: <006201c4ac15$cb10c0e0$ec87b4ce@toms> Message-ID: A Big Sky welcome to Dave and Tom!!! RickinMt. From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu Oct 7 06:17:28 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 14:17:28 +0100 Subject: [SEL] New Guy References: <20041007110526.74092.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <416541E7.FF5F6D2D@insulate.co.uk> James Yost wrote: > Welcome to the list. This list is full of knowledge. Well, it's certainly full of SOMETHING .... > > Ask any question and you will get an answer. Might not be relevant to the question though! Welcome to the new guys! Dolly Official SEL Scribe Official SEL Flame Mistress -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Oct 7 06:46:25 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:46:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] New Guy Message-ID: <100720041346.65.1c65@mchsi.com> Dave, Re-exam your serial number as that should be "TA" in front of number instead of "1A". Get back to you soon with your info. Curt > I Curt, that would be great. The number is 1A212340. I got the mag fixed > last night, althought it a mess I may order some new parts for it and make > it like new. I then put a few drops of gas in the intake, and it fired and > ran about five revs, till the fuel ran out. I hope to get the fuel line > fixed tonight and have it really running. Thanks for any info you can > provideon this engine. > > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 6:03 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Guy > > > > Hi Dave, > > Welcome to our great family of fun and knowledge. Were you at the R&V > reunion > > last fall? Iam the unoffical registry for Stover engines and if you send > me > > your serial number beglad to research some history in the orginal > > sales/shipping records for you. > > Curt Andree > > McConnell,Ill. > > > Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very avtive list too. I > just > > > brought home to engines. One is a Stover CT 1, it has a Wico ek mag on > it that's > > > not working. I hope to have this one running by the weekend. I may ask > for > > > advise on the mag, if I don't get it to fire after tonight. The other > engine is > > > a IH, not sure of the model yet. > > > I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope to get it working so > I can > > > grind my own feed for my chickens. I plan to run it off my 48 JD B. > > > > > > Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From asouth at strato.net Thu Oct 7 07:58:30 2004 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:58:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] hi 2 the new guys Message-ID: <009801c4ac7e$1c974930$ab00a8c0@Arthur> Hello Tom & Dave, Welcome to the list. I'm a day late and a dollar short reading my mail. Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From wrl at gwltd.com Thu Oct 7 14:03:29 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:03:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Guy References: <100720041346.65.1c65@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <002301c4acb1$1c6e5c40$378d99a6@davem.com> I am sure you are right, I took that number this morning from a rubbin of the name plate that I made the other night. You know lay a paper on the tag and rub it with a pencil, will the rubin I made must has missed the TA. I did get it running today! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Guy > Dave, > Re-exam your serial number as that should be "TA" in front of number instead > of "1A". Get back to you soon with your info. > Curt > > I Curt, that would be great. The number is 1A212340. I got the mag fixed > > last night, althought it a mess I may order some new parts for it and make > > it like new. I then put a few drops of gas in the intake, and it fired and > > ran about five revs, till the fuel ran out. I hope to get the fuel line > > fixed tonight and have it really running. Thanks for any info you can > > provideon this engine. > > > > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 6:03 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Guy > > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > Welcome to our great family of fun and knowledge. Were you at the R&V > > reunion > > > last fall? Iam the unoffical registry for Stover engines and if you send > > me > > > your serial number beglad to research some history in the orginal > > > sales/shipping records for you. > > > Curt Andree > > > McConnell,Ill. > > > > Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very avtive list too. I > > just > > > > brought home to engines. One is a Stover CT 1, it has a Wico ek mag on > > it that's > > > > not working. I hope to have this one running by the weekend. I may ask > > for > > > > advise on the mag, if I don't get it to fire after tonight. The other > > engine is > > > > a IH, not sure of the model yet. > > > > I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope to get it working so > > I can > > > > grind my own feed for my chickens. I plan to run it off my 48 JD B. > > > > > > > > Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SEL mailing list > > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From wrl at gwltd.com Thu Oct 7 14:09:28 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:09:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover Ct 1 Message-ID: <002e01c4acb1$f32084c0$378d99a6@davem.com> Update, well good news. I got the mag to fire after much work, it was/is really a mess. I plan to pull it back off and rebuild it. I bought this engine from a friend and it had not been run for over ten years. I pulled the gas tank off to flush it, as I was sure it was full of crap. Well the tank was in really bab shape holes, cracks, and so on. So after a time with my tourch and some brass, it is now is ok shape. The fule line was also cracked, made a new one. Well make a long story short it fired up and ran today. So tonight my brother and I will stand there and watch it run, and drink a few beers. Sounds like fun hun? One more saved. Dave. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Oct 7 15:01:21 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 18:01:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] HI In-Reply-To: References: <006201c4ac15$cb10c0e0$ec87b4ce@toms> Message-ID: <4165BCB1.10605@scrtc.com> Dave and Tom, Welcome to the SEL. Hope to see ya at some shows. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Oct 7 15:03:10 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 18:03:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] fatal accident, Jackson County, Oregon In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041007062433.02301950@mail.alltel.net> References: <416441FC.5070707@scrtc.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041007062433.02301950@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4165BD1E.8060800@scrtc.com> Yeah Dave, sort of hard to "grab the knob". Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> I had a winch latch break on me once and a 2000 lb engine on trucks >> rolled over both hands breaking them. Both were ina cast and it >> wasn't pleasant when I couldn't even go to the bathroom without help. >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, Ky > > > It was tough opening the bathroom door? > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Thu Oct 7 14:58:57 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Stover Ct 1 In-Reply-To: <002e01c4acb1$f32084c0$378d99a6@davem.com> Message-ID: <20041007215857.38123.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Dave Put that engine in the truck and bring it ~ 1 hour NE to a small show in Malta IL. (just west of DeKalb) this saturday or sunday... It is held at an apple orchard and is a fun time. http://www.jonamacorchard.com Pics from last years show: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2003Jonomac.htm Steve Barr --- Dave Mayfield wrote: Update, well good news. I got the mag to fire after much work, it was/is really a mess. I plan to pull it back off and rebuild it. I bought this engine from a friend and it had not been run for over ten years. I pulled the gas tank off to flush it, as I was sure it was full of crap. Well the tank was in really bab shape holes, cracks, and so on. So after a time with my tourch and some brass, it is now is ok shape. The fule line was also cracked, made a new one. Well make a long story short it fired up and ran today. So tonight my brother and I will stand there and watch it run, and drink a few beers. Sounds like fun hun? One more saved. Dave. ===== ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Oct 7 16:34:02 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:34:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gib Key removal References: <24001.199.62.0.252.1097073310.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: Thanks Marv and Ray...your advise will be well taken. Catcha later, Rick From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Oct 7 16:37:17 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:37:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" References: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable> Message-ID: There ya go Ray. This 1.5 hp has what looks like old style zerk grease gun fittings. They look OEM and according to John H., they did come with zerks. John, appreciate the time and trouble spent coming up with and editing the pix's. Thanks much and I'm sure Cork will feel the same way. Take Care Guys, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > The needles on mine are brass. Can it be drilled out? All the engines I > have > seen have cups on the mains. Mine even has a grease cup to lubricate the > camshaft where it exits the side plate. There was no bush or bearing in > there but as it was worn I machined it and made a bronze bearing for it. > > > Ray Freeman > Portable Line Boring > http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > plb at plb.iinet.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:18 PM > Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > > > > For my machinist friend Corky, alias Spud.....soon to join the SEL. > > > > On his 1.5hp low tension IHC "M", the water needle valve is broke off > > with half of it still inside the mixer. Any suggestions on how to get > > it > > out? He wants it original. > > Also were zerk grease fittings OEM on the mains? > > > > We looked at a greased up cc breather yesterday and now understand why > > they're so pricy. > > > > Does anyone have a picture of the water injection "Check valve" affair > > in > > the mixer? > > > > > > Thanks much gang. > > > > RickinMt. > > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Oct 7 18:40:34 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 19:40:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Valve guides one more time? References: <014a01c4ab3e$9cb8df20$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <002001c4ab6f$83bf2c00$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <003e01c4acd7$ce99ab60$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> John and list, Sorry for the delay. I have no valve equipment. I do have a drill press to use as Rob mentioned. I think I can come up with a seat grinder, and both valves will be replaced, so grinding them won't be a concern. Lapp em in after the seats are done and should be a done deal. I'll use this response to send a great big THANK YOU to all that have answered both on and off the list. Many great ideas on how to handle head repair, and I will include a summary in my restoration project. So far I don't have much online, but I do have the engine almost down and lot's of pictures. More fun working on it then putting it online. Tonight's lesson. Gib keys. Score: Gib key 1, Jeff 0, and that ain't the broken one. :-) Thanks all, Jeff Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Valve guides one more time? > > Hi Jeff, what equipment do you have to repair valve > guides, seats etc? > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > Once again I am considering using modern thin wall bronze guides, but > would love to hear how others have handled this. Knurling is > not an option for me on this, but might work for others. Any help is > appreciated. > > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From wrl at gwltd.com Thu Oct 7 18:35:18 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:35:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover Ct 1 References: <20041007215857.38123.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001301c4acd7$165a9dc0$de8e99a6@davem.com> Hi Steve, I would love to but no time right now. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover Ct 1 > Dave > > Put that engine in the truck and bring it ~ 1 hour NE to a small show in > Malta IL. (just west of DeKalb) this saturday or sunday... It is held at > an apple orchard and is a fun time. http://www.jonamacorchard.com > > Pics from last years show: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2003Jonomac.htm > > Steve Barr > > --- Dave Mayfield wrote: > > Update, well good news. I got the mag to fire after much work, it was/is > really a mess. I plan to pull it back off and rebuild it. I bought this > engine from a friend and it had not been run for over ten years. I pulled > the gas tank off to flush it, as I was sure it was full of crap. > Well the tank was in really bab shape holes, cracks, and so on. So after > a time with my tourch and some brass, it is now is ok shape. > > The fule line was also cracked, made a new one. Well make a long story > short it fired up and ran today. So tonight my brother and I will stand > there and watch it run, and drink a few beers. Sounds like fun hun? > > One more saved. > > Dave. > > ===== > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr > stevebarr at ameritech.net > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Oct 7 18:44:27 2004 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:44:27 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" References: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable> Message-ID: <040201c4acd8$5949d1e0$0100a8c0@Portable> Was it the early M's with Zerks?Mine is 1926 and the cups have IHC symbols stamped on the caps. Interesting info,thanks Ray Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > There ya go Ray. This 1.5 hp has what looks like old style zerk grease > gun fittings. They look OEM and according to John H., they did come with > zerks. > > John, appreciate the time and trouble spent coming up with and editing > the pix's. Thanks much and I'm sure Cork will feel the same way. > > Take Care Guys, > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:34 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > > >> The needles on mine are brass. Can it be drilled out? All the engines I >> have >> seen have cups on the mains. Mine even has a grease cup to lubricate the >> camshaft where it exits the side plate. There was no bush or bearing in >> there but as it was worn I machined it and made a bronze bearing for it. >> >> >> Ray Freeman >> Portable Line Boring >> http://www.plb.iinet.net.au >> plb at plb.iinet.net.au >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Richard Strobel" >> To: "SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:18 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" >> >> >> > For my machinist friend Corky, alias Spud.....soon to join the SEL. >> > >> > On his 1.5hp low tension IHC "M", the water needle valve is broke off >> > with half of it still inside the mixer. Any suggestions on how to get >> > it >> > out? He wants it original. >> > Also were zerk grease fittings OEM on the mains? >> > >> > We looked at a greased up cc breather yesterday and now understand why >> > they're so pricy. >> > >> > Does anyone have a picture of the water injection "Check valve" affair >> > in >> > the mixer? >> > >> > >> > Thanks much gang. >> > >> > RickinMt. >> > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From wrl at gwltd.com Thu Oct 7 18:46:24 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:46:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mag Help Message-ID: <001e01c4acd8$a4dee140$de8e99a6@davem.com> Well, I said eariler that I had the Stover Ct 1 running and I did. I got home tonight and turned it over several times and it fired up and ran for awhile till, I shut it off, then I wanted to seei f it would start again. It would not. It is raining out and damp air tonight, not sure if that would matter any or not. Here is my question. It seems to me that the mag is not real hot. It's Wico EK. It has the original coils. But seems weak to me. The magnets seem weak, when I place a small end wrench on the magnets I can feel the pull, but it's weak. I have magnets on my Fridge that seem stronger. Any ideas? Dave From buggy1914 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 7 18:58:10 2004 From: buggy1914 at hotmail.com (Missy Holland) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 21:58:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Travelers to Cotton Ginning Days Message-ID: Hi all, Just a quick note to let you know that Pennsylvania travelers Dave and Arnie made it to the Cotton Ginnings Days show ground this afternoon. Dave set his big Domestic up and Missy was the first to "push his button". Actually she pushed it many times because Dave had a little trouble getting it going. Well you know, old age and all....we'll give him a break. Arnie unloaded Fat Bastard and a beautiful Bamford. At dark we took them over to experience local Gaston County cuisine. A genuine fish camp. Fish camps and BBQ are what the area is renound for. Last we saw them they were headed the wrong way back up hwy 321 this evening. 'Imagine they'll figure it out soon enough and turn around to get to their Super 8. Our son Devin is really bummed because he has to go to school tomorrow while we play at the show grounds all day. But come 3:00 he'll be free and can join in the fun. Just hope those teachers don't give him home work this weekend! Curt & Missy _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From avanti_64 at juno.com Thu Oct 7 18:48:06 2004 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (Joe Kelley) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:48:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nelson Brothers Jumbo Message-ID: <20041007.215555.-1031035.0.avanti_64@juno.com> Thanks, Steve. On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 11:35:09 -0400 "Steve Royster" writes: > Hi Joe, I don't have a picture here with me but the return spring > does fit > into the big spoon on the rocker arm on my Nelson Bros. > Steve Royster > > >From: Joe Kelley > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > > >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >Subject: [SEL] Nelson Brothers Jumbo > >Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 19:29:47 -0400 > > > >Hi gang, I am restoring a Nelson Bros 3 hp Jumbo (which I will > sell). Can > >anyone tell me or have a picture of the return spring that pushes > on the > >rocker arm which in turn pushes the pushrod back onto the cam gear? > I > >think this may fit into the big "spoon" part of the rocker arm. > Thanks > >Joe Kelley > >You can send the pic to jfk52 at tds.net > > > >________________________________________________________________ > >Get your name as your email address. > >Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more > >Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from > McAfee? > Security. > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Oct 7 19:18:13 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:18:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mag Help References: <001e01c4acd8$a4dee140$de8e99a6@davem.com> Message-ID: <000a01c4acdd$1137dc80$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Dave, My experience is that the magnets don't have much pull when in the mag. This is from the Websters I've played with. Take the magnet out and it should have good pull on a wrench. Hope this helps. Jeff Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Mayfield" To: Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 7:46 PM Subject: [SEL] Mag Help Well, I said eariler that I had the Stover Ct 1 running and I did. I got home tonight and turned it over several times and it fired up and ran for awhile till, I shut it off, then I wanted to seei f it would start again. It would not. It is raining out and damp air tonight, not sure if that would matter any or not. Here is my question. It seems to me that the mag is not real hot. It's Wico EK. It has the original coils. But seems weak to me. The magnets seem weak, when I place a small end wrench on the magnets I can feel the pull, but it's weak. I have magnets on my Fridge that seem stronger. Any ideas? Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Thu Oct 7 19:45:10 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:45:10 EDT Subject: [SEL] Mag Help Message-ID: <1e.35bd5c4e.2e975936@aol.com> Hi List, Here is a site which shows how to test a Wico EK off the engine. WICO Magneto Tester Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From rdi at rochester.rr.com Thu Oct 7 15:34:22 2004 From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:34:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How to lube old engines? Message-ID: <000a01c4acbd$cb41cca0$ecb4a918@rochester.rr.com> Howdy, everybody! I've just RE-joined the list; the last time I was here was when it was at indiana.edu. After years of looking, I've finally found my first stationary engine to fix up. I've been looking forward to this for a long time. I've got a fairly good idea how things work, but the little details take a while to figure out, as some things are somewhat old & nearly forgotten technology. I've now got a hit-and-miss Taylor Vacuum Engine, Type C, 2HP. It has sparkplug ignition with a Wico EK magneto (type 2 drive), and open crankcase. It's a green machine. :-) I'm slowly going over the engine, trying to understand thoroughly what everything does before I attempt to start it. I've got several questions on lubrication that I can't seem to find the answers to (I've already searched the SEL archives). 1) What weight of motor oil should be used in the piston's drip oiler (in moderate weather)? Perhaps something like straight 30 weight Quaker State? Is a multigrade viscosity, like 10w30 ok? I presume this same weight oil is used to oil other parts of the engine before starting, too, using an oilcan. -I already know that on this particular type of engine you need to mix oil with the gas in order to properly lube the innermost part of the piston; I'm planning on using modern 2 cycle oil mixed 16:1. 2) On top of the governor shaft, there's a small pinky-sized tube with a flap-cap on it. You can see the shiny shaft down at the bottom of the tube. I presume the tube is for oil (not grease). How do I use this? Do I put just a *few drops* of (the same) oil in, OR does it get *filled up* with oil? (I'm not sure why this one component alone has this tube.) 3) I've got 3 grease cups. I've read that the bearing grease cups get filled with (what else) "cup grease", but what's the modern equivalent of cup grease? Perhaps something like wheel bearing grease, e.g. Kendall Super Blu High Temp EP grease? 4) How do you USE the grease cups themselves during normal operation? I presume I'll want to clean out the old grease somehow, then fill it (how full?) with fresh grease... then what? How much do I tighten the caps down initially? An old Hercules manual I found says "Watch the grease closely, give them a quarter of a turn each time you start the engine". Is this all the follow up attention it really needs- a quarter turn before starting? 5) What oil should be used for the magneto? Maybe light machine oil like 3-in-1 or Singer sewing machine oil? Thanks a lot in advance, Rick I. near Rochester, NY From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Oct 7 23:36:06 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:36:06 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M"/now grease cups. References: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable> Message-ID: <000f01c4ad01$17743200$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Rick and Ray, I think I misunderstand you about the grease fittings, all the M's have grease cups. I read over that "zerk" it's a strange word for me. See the specs at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/greasecups.jpg Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > There ya go Ray. This 1.5 hp has what looks like old style zerk grease gun > fittings. They look OEM and according to John H., they did come with zerks. > > John, appreciate the time and trouble spent coming up with and editing the > pix's. Thanks much and I'm sure Cork will feel the same way. > > Take Care Guys, > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:34 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > > > > The needles on mine are brass. Can it be drilled out? All the engines I > > have > > seen have cups on the mains. Mine even has a grease cup to lubricate the > > camshaft where it exits the side plate. There was no bush or bearing in > > there but as it was worn I machined it and made a bronze bearing for it. > > > > > > Ray Freeman > > Portable Line Boring > > http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > > plb at plb.iinet.net.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Strobel" > > To: "SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:18 PM > > Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > > > > > > > For my machinist friend Corky, alias Spud.....soon to join the SEL. > > > > > > On his 1.5hp low tension IHC "M", the water needle valve is broke off > > > with half of it still inside the mixer. Any suggestions on how to get > > > it > > > out? He wants it original. > > > Also were zerk grease fittings OEM on the mains? > > > > > > We looked at a greased up cc breather yesterday and now understand why > > > they're so pricy. > > > > > > Does anyone have a picture of the water injection "Check valve" affair > > > in > > > the mixer? > > > > > > > > > Thanks much gang. > > > > > > RickinMt. > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Oct 7 23:39:03 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:39:03 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" References: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable> <040201c4acd8$5949d1e0$0100a8c0@Portable> Message-ID: <001d01c4ad01$809c0e60$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Ray, you have the right ones, these are worth 4 times the normal ones. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Was it the early M's with Zerks?Mine is 1926 and the cups have IHC symbols > stamped on the caps. Interesting info,thanks > > Ray From oldengin at udata.com Fri Oct 8 04:37:41 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 07:37:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How to lube old engines? In-Reply-To: <000a01c4acbd$cb41cca0$ecb4a918@rochester.rr.com> References: <000a01c4acbd$cb41cca0$ecb4a918@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <41667C05.2080203@udata.com> Rick I. wrote: >Howdy, everybody! > >I've just RE-joined the list; the last time I was here was when it was at >indiana.edu. >After years of looking, I've finally found my >first stationary engine to fix up. I've been looking forward to this for a >long time. I've got a fairly good idea how things work, but the >little details take a while to figure out, as some things are somewhat old & >nearly forgotten technology. > >I've now got a hit-and-miss Taylor Vacuum Engine, Type C, 2HP. It has >sparkplug ignition with a Wico EK magneto (type 2 drive), and open >crankcase. It's a green machine. :-) > >I'm slowly going over the engine, trying to understand thoroughly what >everything does before I attempt to start it. > >I've got several questions on lubrication that I can't seem to find the >answers to (I've already searched the SEL archives). > >1) What weight of motor oil should be used in the piston's drip oiler (in >moderate weather)? Perhaps something like straight 30 weight Quaker State? >Is a multigrade viscosity, like 10w30 ok? I presume this same weight oil is >used to oil other parts of the engine before starting, too, using an >oilcan. >-I already know that on this particular type of engine you need to >mix oil with the gas in order to properly lube the innermost part of the >piston; I'm planning on using modern 2 cycle oil mixed 16:1. > Gday First time use what oil you have, if it is cool then use something a little thinner, like 20 weight or 30 weight. You engin is a four stroke model and you should not need two cycle oil in the fuel?????????? Your piston will get it's oil, Oh and set the drip rate at about one every 10-15 seconds > >2) On top of the governor shaft, there's a small pinky-sized tube with a >flap-cap on it. You can see the shiny shaft down at the bottom of the tube. >I presume the tube is for oil (not grease). How do I use this? Do I put >just a *few drops* of >(the same) oil in, OR does it get *filled up* with oil? (I'm not sure why >this one >component alone has this tube.) > > Your choice.. Do you want to keep it clean or do you like the looks of an oily engin? A drop or two should do fine >3) I've got 3 grease cups. I've read that the bearing grease cups get >filled with (what else) "cup grease", but what's the modern equivalent of >cup >grease? Perhaps something like wheel bearing grease, e.g. Kendall Super Blu >High Temp EP grease? > > > Grease is grease in todays world, BUT I would probably not use synthetic in her >4) How do you USE the grease cups themselves during normal operation? I >presume I'll want to clean >out the old grease somehow, then fill it (how full?) with fresh grease... >then >what? How much do I tighten the caps down initially? An old Hercules >manual I found says "Watch the grease closely, give them a quarter of a turn >each time you start the engine". Is this all the follow up attention it >really needs- a quarter turn before starting? > Use your caps as you do the oiler, do you like your engin greasy or do you want to keep her a little cleaner????? 1/4 is plenty and if the grease is hard or grittty then clean out the caps and fill them with a putty knife or screwdriver andf put them on simple here... > >5) What oil should be used for the magneto? Maybe light machine oil like >3-in-1 or Singer sewing machine oil? > Do NOT oil the mag!!!!!!!!!!!! Ted or Bill will tell you more here... bad bad idea the oil with electrical parts Just my ideas on how the set her up. Let us know when you get her running. > >Thanks a lot in advance, > >Rick I. near Rochester, NY > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From marvhed at ecenet.com Fri Oct 8 04:56:04 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 06:56:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] IHC "M" - now grease cups. In-Reply-To: <000f01c4ad01$17743200$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> References: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable> <000f01c4ad01$17743200$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <48341.199.62.0.252.1097236564.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> i believe the M engines all origionally came with grease cups on the mains, cam, and the end of the crank for the connecting rod(with a left hand thread cap so it could be tightned while the engine was running). the "zerk" fittings for a grease gun were a common farm modification to engines in later years after other machinery started using them. it was easier and cleaner to grab the grease gun than to take apart and repack the cups. marv in minn > Rick and Ray, I think I misunderstand you about the grease fittings, > all the M's have grease cups. I read over that "zerk" it's a strange > word for me. > See the specs at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/greasecups.jpg > > Regards, > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > >> There ya go Ray. This 1.5 hp has what looks like old style zerk grease >> gun >> fittings. They look OEM and according to John H., they did come with >> zerks. >> >> John, appreciate the time and trouble spent coming up with and editing >> the >> pix's. Thanks much and I'm sure Cork will feel the same way. >> >> Take Care Guys, >> Rick >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:34 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" >> >> >> > The needles on mine are brass. Can it be drilled out? All the engines >> I >> > have >> > seen have cups on the mains. Mine even has a grease cup to lubricate >> the >> > camshaft where it exits the side plate. There was no bush or bearing >> in >> > there but as it was worn I machined it and made a bronze bearing for >> it. >> > >> > >> > Ray Freeman >> > Portable Line Boring >> > http://www.plb.iinet.net.au >> > plb at plb.iinet.net.au >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Richard Strobel" >> > To: "SEL email discussion list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:18 PM >> > Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" >> > >> > >> > > For my machinist friend Corky, alias Spud.....soon to join the SEL. >> > > >> > > On his 1.5hp low tension IHC "M", the water needle valve is broke >> off >> > > with half of it still inside the mixer. Any suggestions on how to >> get >> > > it >> > > out? He wants it original. >> > > Also were zerk grease fittings OEM on the mains? >> > > >> > > We looked at a greased up cc breather yesterday and now understand >> why >> > > they're so pricy. >> > > >> > > Does anyone have a picture of the water injection "Check valve" >> affair >> > > in >> > > the mixer? >> > > >> > > >> > > Thanks much gang. >> > > >> > > RickinMt. >> > > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > SEL mailing list >> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 8 05:41:52 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 06:41:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Gib Key removal References: <45B673EB183FDB4EBEEE0F7E29E387D8F51279@r2.cncsoftware.com> Message-ID: I believe I remember seeing that pipe puller trick. Something about the physics of the slide hammer that I don't understand. Possibly pushing on the flywheel/gear and pulling on the gib has something to do with it. Thanks Ken RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Erman" To: Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 5:48 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Gib Key removal Rick, I tried using a slide hammer on one for days with lots of heat and cussing and got no where. Then i welded a bolt to the end and used a pipe for a puller and it worked like a charm, but not without some serious pulling on a 1' long 1/2" drive socket. Here is a link to how i did it. http://community.webshots.com/album/81060592eqzEHv Ken Erman Windsor, CT. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at mastercam.com. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by McAfee VirusScan for the presence of computer viruses. CNC Software, Inc. www.mastercam.com ********************************************************************** _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 8 05:46:34 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 06:46:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" References: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable> <040201c4acd8$5949d1e0$0100a8c0@Portable> Message-ID: 1921 Ray. We see no place to lube the camshaft. Just zerks on the mains and cs. Take Care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > Was it the early M's with Zerks?Mine is 1926 and the cups have IHC symbols > stamped on the caps. Interesting info,thanks > > Ray > > Portable Line Boring > http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > plb at plb.iinet.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:37 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > > > > There ya go Ray. This 1.5 hp has what looks like old style zerk grease > > gun fittings. They look OEM and according to John H., they did come > > with > > zerks. > > > > John, appreciate the time and trouble spent coming up with and editing > > the pix's. Thanks much and I'm sure Cork will feel the same way. > > > > Take Care Guys, > > Rick > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:34 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > > > > > >> The needles on mine are brass. Can it be drilled out? All the engines I > >> have > >> seen have cups on the mains. Mine even has a grease cup to lubricate > >> the > >> camshaft where it exits the side plate. There was no bush or bearing in > >> there but as it was worn I machined it and made a bronze bearing for > >> it. > >> > >> > >> Ray Freeman > >> Portable Line Boring > >> http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > >> plb at plb.iinet.net.au > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Richard Strobel" > >> To: "SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:18 PM > >> Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > >> > >> > >> > For my machinist friend Corky, alias Spud.....soon to join the SEL. > >> > > >> > On his 1.5hp low tension IHC "M", the water needle valve is broke > >> > off > >> > with half of it still inside the mixer. Any suggestions on how to > >> > get > >> > it > >> > out? He wants it original. > >> > Also were zerk grease fittings OEM on the mains? > >> > > >> > We looked at a greased up cc breather yesterday and now understand > >> > why > >> > they're so pricy. > >> > > >> > Does anyone have a picture of the water injection "Check valve" > >> > affair > >> > in > >> > the mixer? > >> > > >> > > >> > Thanks much gang. > >> > > >> > RickinMt. > >> > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 8 05:54:46 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 06:54:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M"/now grease cups. References: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable> <000f01c4ad01$17743200$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Ok great John. I've let Corky know. Don't know where zerk came from. Possibly another term might be alemite (sp) fitting but believe that's different from a zerk. Zerks your modern day grease gun fitting used on machinery and vehicles. Thanks John...we've seen the IHC logo on a 3hp not too far away. later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M"/now grease cups. > Rick and Ray, I think I misunderstand you about the grease fittings, > all the M's have grease cups. I read over that "zerk" it's a strange > word for me. > See the specs at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/greasecups.jpg > > Regards, > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > There ya go Ray. This 1.5 hp has what looks like old style zerk grease > > gun > > fittings. They look OEM and according to John H., they did come with > > zerks. > > > > John, appreciate the time and trouble spent coming up with and editing > > the > > pix's. Thanks much and I'm sure Cork will feel the same way. > > > > Take Care Guys, > > Rick > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:34 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > > > > > > > The needles on mine are brass. Can it be drilled out? All the engines > > > I > > > have > > > seen have cups on the mains. Mine even has a grease cup to lubricate > > > the > > > camshaft where it exits the side plate. There was no bush or bearing > > > in > > > there but as it was worn I machined it and made a bronze bearing for > > > it. > > > > > > > > > Ray Freeman > > > Portable Line Boring > > > http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > > > plb at plb.iinet.net.au > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Richard Strobel" > > > To: "SEL email discussion list" > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:18 PM > > > Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > > > > > > > > > > For my machinist friend Corky, alias Spud.....soon to join the SEL. > > > > > > > > On his 1.5hp low tension IHC "M", the water needle valve is broke > > > > off > > > > with half of it still inside the mixer. Any suggestions on how to > > > > get > > > > it > > > > out? He wants it original. > > > > Also were zerk grease fittings OEM on the mains? > > > > > > > > We looked at a greased up cc breather yesterday and now understand > > > > why > > > > they're so pricy. > > > > > > > > Does anyone have a picture of the water injection "Check valve" > > > > affair > > > > in > > > > the mixer? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks much gang. > > > > > > > > RickinMt. > > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SEL mailing list > > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 8 05:57:54 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 06:57:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC "M" - now grease cups. References: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable><000f01c4ad01$17743200$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> <48341.199.62.0.252.1097236564.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: I can buy that Marv. Corky did read in one of the IHC books that grease cups are more forgiving in that, if you forget to turn them they will lube as they warm up and change state. 'preciate it Marv. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 5:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC "M" - now grease cups. > i believe the M engines all origionally came with grease cups on the > mains, cam, and the end of the crank for the connecting rod(with a left > hand thread cap so it could be tightned while the engine was running). > the "zerk" fittings for a grease gun were a common farm modification to > engines in later years after other machinery started using them. > it was easier and cleaner to grab the grease gun than to take apart and > repack the cups. > > marv in minn > > > Rick and Ray, I think I misunderstand you about the grease fittings, > > all the M's have grease cups. I read over that "zerk" it's a strange > > word for me. > > See the specs at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/greasecups.jpg > > > > Regards, > > John Hammink > > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > > >> There ya go Ray. This 1.5 hp has what looks like old style zerk grease > >> gun > >> fittings. They look OEM and according to John H., they did come with > >> zerks. > >> > >> John, appreciate the time and trouble spent coming up with and > >> editing > >> the > >> pix's. Thanks much and I'm sure Cork will feel the same way. > >> > >> Take Care Guys, > >> Rick > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:34 AM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > >> > >> > >> > The needles on mine are brass. Can it be drilled out? All the engines > >> I > >> > have > >> > seen have cups on the mains. Mine even has a grease cup to lubricate > >> the > >> > camshaft where it exits the side plate. There was no bush or bearing > >> in > >> > there but as it was worn I machined it and made a bronze bearing for > >> it. > >> > > >> > > >> > Ray Freeman > >> > Portable Line Boring > >> > http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > >> > plb at plb.iinet.net.au > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Richard Strobel" > >> > To: "SEL email discussion list" > >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:18 PM > >> > Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > >> > > >> > > >> > > For my machinist friend Corky, alias Spud.....soon to join the > >> > > SEL. > >> > > > >> > > On his 1.5hp low tension IHC "M", the water needle valve is broke > >> off > >> > > with half of it still inside the mixer. Any suggestions on how to > >> get > >> > > it > >> > > out? He wants it original. > >> > > Also were zerk grease fittings OEM on the mains? > >> > > > >> > > We looked at a greased up cc breather yesterday and now understand > >> why > >> > > they're so pricy. > >> > > > >> > > Does anyone have a picture of the water injection "Check valve" > >> affair > >> > > in > >> > > the mixer? > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Thanks much gang. > >> > > > >> > > RickinMt. > >> > > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > SEL mailing list > >> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Fri Oct 8 06:15:09 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:15:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How to lube old engines? Message-ID: <000401c4ad38$d721b1e0$2a690b42@gnarmstrong> Rick, It has been suggested that a low-ash oil HD 10W-40W be used in the drip oiler for the cylinder to avoid gumming up the rings. I believe the source giving me this info. It has also been suggested that we Do NOT use the modern two -cyle oil in mixing the gas oil for combustion but the best would be to use Aeroshell Oil 80 SAE 40 or equivalent . It is a high viscosity index straight mineral oil. I also believe the source for this information. Your other questions I believe are sufficiently answered by your own comments. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Rick I. To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Thursday, October 07, 2004 10:38 PM Subject: [SEL] How to lube old engines? >Howdy, everybody! > >I've just RE-joined the list; the last time I was here was when it was at >indiana.edu. >After years of looking, I've finally found my >first stationary engine to fix up. I've been looking forward to this for a >long time. I've got a fairly good idea how things work, but the >little details take a while to figure out, as some things are somewhat old & >nearly forgotten technology. > >I've now got a hit-and-miss Taylor Vacuum Engine, Type C, 2HP. It has >sparkplug ignition with a Wico EK magneto (type 2 drive), and open >crankcase. It's a green machine. :-) > >I'm slowly going over the engine, trying to understand thoroughly what >everything does before I attempt to start it. > >I've got several questions on lubrication that I can't seem to find the >answers to (I've already searched the SEL archives). > >1) What weight of motor oil should be used in the piston's drip oiler (in >moderate weather)? Perhaps something like straight 30 weight Quaker State? >Is a multigrade viscosity, like 10w30 ok? I presume this same weight oil is >used to oil other parts of the engine before starting, too, using an >oilcan. >-I already know that on this particular type of engine you need to >mix oil with the gas in order to properly lube the innermost part of the >piston; I'm planning on using modern 2 cycle oil mixed 16:1. > >2) On top of the governor shaft, there's a small pinky-sized tube with a >flap-cap on it. You can see the shiny shaft down at the bottom of the tube. >I presume the tube is for oil (not grease). How do I use this? Do I put >just a *few drops* of >(the same) oil in, OR does it get *filled up* with oil? (I'm not sure why >this one >component alone has this tube.) > >3) I've got 3 grease cups. I've read that the bearing grease cups get >filled with (what else) "cup grease", but what's the modern equivalent of >cup >grease? Perhaps something like wheel bearing grease, e.g. Kendall Super Blu >High Temp EP grease? > >4) How do you USE the grease cups themselves during normal operation? I >presume I'll want to clean >out the old grease somehow, then fill it (how full?) with fresh grease... >then >what? How much do I tighten the caps down initially? An old Hercules >manual I found says "Watch the grease closely, give them a quarter of a turn >each time you start the engine". Is this all the follow up attention it >really needs- a quarter turn before starting? > >5) What oil should be used for the magneto? Maybe light machine oil like >3-in-1 or Singer sewing machine oil? > >Thanks a lot in advance, > >Rick I. near Rochester, NY > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marvhed at ecenet.com Fri Oct 8 08:35:10 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:35:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" In-Reply-To: References: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable><040201c4acd8$5949d1e0$0100a8c0@Portable> Message-ID: <29403.199.62.0.252.1097249710.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> rick, looking at the crank end of the engine, the grease cup for the cam is below the LH main facing straight out the back towards you. size is 1/8" pipe thread. marv in minn > 1921 Ray. We see no place to lube the camshaft. Just zerks on the mains > and cs. > > Take Care, > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 7:44 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > > >> Was it the early M's with Zerks?Mine is 1926 and the cups have IHC >> symbols >> stamped on the caps. Interesting info,thanks >> >> Ray >> >> Portable Line Boring >> http://www.plb.iinet.net.au >> plb at plb.iinet.net.au >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Richard Strobel" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:37 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" >> >> >> > There ya go Ray. This 1.5 hp has what looks like old style zerk >> grease >> > gun fittings. They look OEM and according to John H., they did come >> > with >> > zerks. >> > >> > John, appreciate the time and trouble spent coming up with and >> editing >> > the pix's. Thanks much and I'm sure Cork will feel the same way. >> > >> > Take Care Guys, >> > Rick >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:34 AM >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" >> > >> > >> >> The needles on mine are brass. Can it be drilled out? All the engines >> I >> >> have >> >> seen have cups on the mains. Mine even has a grease cup to lubricate >> >> the >> >> camshaft where it exits the side plate. There was no bush or bearing >> in >> >> there but as it was worn I machined it and made a bronze bearing for >> >> it. >> >> >> >> >> >> Ray Freeman >> >> Portable Line Boring >> >> http://www.plb.iinet.net.au >> >> plb at plb.iinet.net.au >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Richard Strobel" >> >> To: "SEL email discussion list" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:18 PM >> >> Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" >> >> >> >> >> >> > For my machinist friend Corky, alias Spud.....soon to join the >> SEL. >> >> > >> >> > On his 1.5hp low tension IHC "M", the water needle valve is broke >> >> > off >> >> > with half of it still inside the mixer. Any suggestions on how to >> >> > get >> >> > it >> >> > out? He wants it original. >> >> > Also were zerk grease fittings OEM on the mains? >> >> > >> >> > We looked at a greased up cc breather yesterday and now understand >> >> > why >> >> > they're so pricy. >> >> > >> >> > Does anyone have a picture of the water injection "Check valve" >> >> > affair >> >> > in >> >> > the mixer? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Thanks much gang. >> >> > >> >> > RickinMt. >> >> > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > SEL mailing list >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Fri Oct 8 10:36:41 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 19:36:41 +0200 Subject: [SEL] M grease cups. References: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable><040201c4acd8$5949d1e0$0100a8c0@Portable> Message-ID: <000c01c4ad5d$73599130$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Rick, here you have them all 4 at the right place and the right shape and lenght. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/cups.jpg John H. > 1921 Ray. We see no place to lube the camshaft. Just zerks on the mains > and cs. > > Take Care, > Rick From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Oct 8 11:33:53 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:33:53 EDT Subject: [SEL] How to lube old engines? Message-ID: <9f.4f930356.2e983791@aol.com> In a message dated 10/8/2004 7:45:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, oldengin at udata.com writes: << Do NOT oil the mag!!!!!!!!!!!! Ted or Bill will tell you more here... bad bad idea the oil with electrical parts >> Leroy, Perhaps I will learn something from this discussion too. I always assumed you oiled the end of the mag shafts on Webster type thru the oiler balls, and the oiler slot for the yoke/shaft on the wico type mags. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Oct 8 12:47:23 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] How to lube old engines? In-Reply-To: <9f.4f930356.2e983791@aol.com> References: <9f.4f930356.2e983791@aol.com> Message-ID: <55689.165.206.180.118.1097264843.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Quite interesting - I'd like to hear the details as I've had some of these engines, and thus the mags, for going on 30 years. I oil ever-so-lightly just enough to keep the right parts moist with oil, and these are some very reliable engines (and thus the mags, except for the junk Bosch). The mag on the Alamo has not been apart since 1979 and still will start that engine whenever I attempt it - and I keep it oiled lightly. Same for the Lindsay-Alamo, the JD, of course, it's sort of self-oiling! It's hot as well, since 1980. I typically didn't oil the Sumpter on the FM very often as it's difficult to do, so the ends and bushings are well worn. Maybe the advice is aimed to those who believe that since a little oil is good, a lot is better, and don't know when to stop, so are advised simply "never"?? Dunno, but the ones I have all have provisions to oil, and I've always taken advantage of those provisions according to the same practices I use on sewing equipment and quilting machines - so maybe I'd ruined several expensive mags over the last 1/4 century. Maybe Bill or Ted will explain - could be an excellent adventure....... I'd sure like to know if I'm ruining mags - can't afford to do that! Bill > In a message dated 10/8/2004 7:45:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > oldengin at udata.com writes: > > << Do NOT oil the mag!!!!!!!!!!!! Ted or Bill will tell you more here... > bad bad idea the oil with electrical parts >> > > > Leroy, > > Perhaps I will learn something from this discussion too. I always assumed > you oiled the end of the mag shafts on Webster type thru the oiler balls, > and > the oiler slot for the yoke/shaft on the wico type mags. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Oct 8 16:55:09 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 19:55:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Mag Help In-Reply-To: <000a01c4acdd$1137dc80$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> References: <001e01c4acd8$a4dee140$de8e99a6@davem.com> <000a01c4acdd$1137dc80$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <7C90630E-1985-11D9-8D28-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > My experience is that the magnets don't have much pull when in the > mag. This is from the Websters I've played with. Take the magnet out > and it should have good pull on a wrench. Hope this helps. BUT, a steel magnet will also instantly lose much of its "charge" when the magnetic circuit's broken, either by removing the magnets or removing the armature. The best way to charge it is with a big charger and pole pieces that allow charging them in the intact mag after final assembly. Alternatively, you can charge them and use "keepers" across the poles to maintain the magnetic circuit as the magnet's removed from the charger, letting the "keepers" be pushed off as the magnet slides onto the mag. I've used brake disk pads as keepers on my M's magnets, and the thing works. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From plb at iinet.net.au Fri Oct 8 18:06:38 2004 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Erica Freeman) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 09:06:38 +0800 Subject: [SEL] M grease cups. References: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable><040201c4acd8$5949d1e0$0100a8c0@Portable> <000c01c4ad5d$73599130$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <04a001c4ad9c$3e0e6250$0100a8c0@Portable> John,thats a interesting pic.That engine is obviously a rotary mag type with the bracket cast onto the side plate.Mine with the EK has the lube pipe coming out the back of the casting horizontaly with the cup accessed from the rear. I believe I have seen some M's with no greasing at all. International must have assumed they would get enough lube from inside the crankcase. Mine had no bearing in the case,the cam shaft run straight onto the cast iron. Ray Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 1:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] M grease cups. > Rick, here you have them all 4 at the right place and the right > shape and lenght. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/cups.jpg > > John H. > > > >> 1921 Ray. We see no place to lube the camshaft. Just zerks on the mains >> and cs. >> >> Take Care, >> Rick > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From wrl at gwltd.com Fri Oct 8 19:42:08 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:42:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mag Help References: <001e01c4acd8$a4dee140$de8e99a6@davem.com><000a01c4acdd$1137dc80$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <7C90630E-1985-11D9-8D28-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <001201c4ada9$971301a0$698599a6@davem.com> Thanks to all for the help on the mag, Today I took it all apart and cleaned it very well, then made all new rubber insulator gaskets, but it back together, seems fine now. But a new trouble has come up. See my next post. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 6:55 PM, Subject: Re: [SEL] Mag Help > > My experience is that the magnets don't have much pull when in the > > mag. This is from the Websters I've played with. Take the magnet out > > and it should have good pull on a wrench. Hope this helps. > > BUT, a steel magnet will also instantly lose much of its "charge" when > the magnetic circuit's broken, either by removing the magnets or > removing the armature. The best way to charge it is with a big charger > and pole pieces that allow charging them in the intact mag after final > assembly. Alternatively, you can charge them and use "keepers" across > the poles to maintain the magnetic circuit as the magnet's removed from > the charger, letting the "keepers" be pushed off as the magnet slides > onto the mag. I've used brake disk pads as keepers on my M's magnets, > and the thing works. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Oct 8 20:21:39 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:21:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] How to lube old engines? In-Reply-To: <41667C05.2080203@udata.com> References: <000a01c4acbd$cb41cca0$ecb4a918@rochester.rr.com> <41667C05.2080203@udata.com> Message-ID: <41675943.3000701@steamengine.com.au> Leroy C. wrote: > Rick I. wrote: > >> I've got several questions on lubrication that I can't seem to find the >> answers to (I've already searched the SEL archives). I bet you did not look in the FAQ - http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/faq/index.html It is all there and mostly built from the input of the members of this and the old engine lists. Your > piston will get it's oil, Oh and set the drip rate at about one every > 10-15 seconds Leroy is right, but there is a formula: Use 2 - 3 drops per horse power per minute, so for your engine being a 3HP I'd use 6 to 9 drops per minute which is about the same drop rate as Leroy's advice. ps. Leroy is just about always right :) -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Oct 8 20:25:10 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:25:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] This list has answers to Frequently Asked Questions - FAQ Message-ID: <41675A16.3070704@steamengine.com.au> I've seen quite a few basic questions come up on the list lately (which is fine of course!) which are answered by the FAQ. I've not sent out the periodic reminder of the FAQ's existance for a long time so I suppose I should. http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/faq/index.html I control the content of the FAQ and use the messages from the list to add new sections and keep it up to date. I accept new submissions if anyone wants to write one. I especially accept factual corrections. Regards Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 9 03:49:13 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 03:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Mag Help In-Reply-To: <001e01c4acd8$a4dee140$de8e99a6@davem.com> Message-ID: <20041009104913.43280.qmail@web20222.mail.yahoo.com> Ted Brookover is one of the finest magneto men there is. He has been doing it for a long time and he has seen just about everything. I hope that he will have the time to post a few pointers about the EK, but in the meantime, I am going to give you a few things to look at. Take you mag off the engine, remove the armature (the part made out of laminations that slides up and down on the pin sticking out the bottom of the mag). Make sure that the faces of the laminations are clean, no bits of old grease, or dirt or metal shavings stuck to them. Once you are sure that the surfaces are clean, put the armature back on the pin and hold the mag up to the light. Look to see if there is any gap between the armature and the stationary core. If there is any gap, and you can see light through the gap, it is too much and must be corrected. The first thing I would check is to see if the armature is hitting the core cock-eyed. Often you can loosen the screws that hold the front casting of the mag to the rest of it. By the front casting, I mean the part that has the pin in it for the armature to slide on. Often you can loosne those screws just a bit and get the casting to move a tiny bit to close up that air gap, and then snug the screws back down. If that doesn't work, sometimes you can loosen the screws that clamp the laminations together that make up the armature, put the armature on the mag and gently tap on them with a screwdriver handle or tiny mallet to get the laminations to seat more evenly against the core, then tighten the screws back up. Sometimes the laminations are worn, or have ridges from thousands of cycles of slamming against each other as the mag tripped. This makes it impossible to get a good contact between the two surfaces. I have fixed this on a few mags by very carefully filing both surfaces, but it took a lot of thinking and a little filing. If you aren't careful, you can do more harm than good. So, if you don't feel you can get it right the first time, better off leaving it alone and having a mag repair man go through it for you. I tried cleaning one up by mounting it on my surface grinder. The magneto and the magnetic chuck on my surface grinder did not get along well and things became very ugly. I would now like to change the subject. That armature needs to have as close to 100% contact with the core as possible, if it doesn't, the chances of getting good reliable spark are about as slim as a super model on a hunger strike. Even if it is contacting nicely, it would be good to make friends with someone who has a magnet charger. Anytime you tear one apart it should get a trip across the charger, even if the magnets weren't weakened, it eliminates one variable. Hopefully Ted will chime in and give the definitive answer. Welcome to the list, lots of good people here and once you get to know some of them you will have friends across the country and around the world. Not bad, eh? Joe ===== Joe Prindle Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI www.badgersteamandgas.com Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 ***************** "Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" Old Irish Proverb ****************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Oct 9 03:54:31 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 11:54:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Mag Help In-Reply-To: <20041009104913.43280.qmail@web20222.mail.yahoo.com> References: <001e01c4acd8$a4dee140$de8e99a6@davem.com> <20041009104913.43280.qmail@web20222.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 03:49:13 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > >Ted Brookover is one of the finest magneto men there is. He has been doing >it for a long time and he has seen just about everything. I hope that he >will have the time to post a few pointers about the EK, but in the >meantime, I am going to give you a few things to look at. >Joe I'm sure Ted would not mind a mention for Bill Lopoulos as well here. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From tsmith at hal-pc.org Sat Oct 9 07:14:57 2004 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 09:14:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] This list has answers to Frequently Asked Questions - FAQ References: <41675A16.3070704@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <000601c4ae0a$5d31fe80$0988b4ce@toms> Paul, Please disregard that last email. I rebooted and tried again and the link works just fine. Sorry for the trouble, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 10:25 PM Subject: [SEL] This list has answers to Frequently Asked Questions - FAQ > I've seen quite a few basic questions come up on the list lately (which is > fine of course!) which are answered by the FAQ. I've not sent out the > periodic reminder of the FAQ's existance for a long time so I suppose I > should. > > http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/faq/index.html > > I control the content of the FAQ and use the messages from the list to add > new sections and keep it up to date. I accept new submissions if anyone > wants to write one. I especially accept factual corrections. > > Regards > Paul > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Oct 9 08:05:34 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 09:05:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" References: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable><040201c4acd8$5949d1e0$0100a8c0@Portable> <29403.199.62.0.252.1097249710.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: yes, we found the broken off pipe yesterday. It blended in with the rest of the grease so it was hard to see at first glance. Now the next challenge is to get the belt pulley off. It meets John H's specs except for a couple items. There is absolutely no setscrew, nor hole to access it. It doesn't have a crown. Provision for a key is there but it's absent. And it's a tight interference fit. Next out of the chute will be Rosebud...unless I hear different. Oh yea, there's no part number on it either. Well thanks Marv and all later, RickinMt ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > rick, > looking at the crank end of the engine, > the grease cup for the cam is below the LH main facing straight out the > back towards you. size is 1/8" pipe thread. > > marv in minn > > > > 1921 Ray. We see no place to lube the camshaft. Just zerks on the > > mains > > and cs. > > > > Take Care, > > Rick > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 7:44 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > > > > > >> Was it the early M's with Zerks?Mine is 1926 and the cups have IHC > >> symbols > >> stamped on the caps. Interesting info,thanks > >> > >> Ray > >> > >> Portable Line Boring > >> http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > >> plb at plb.iinet.net.au > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Richard Strobel" > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:37 AM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > >> > >> > >> > There ya go Ray. This 1.5 hp has what looks like old style zerk > >> grease > >> > gun fittings. They look OEM and according to John H., they did come > >> > with > >> > zerks. > >> > > >> > John, appreciate the time and trouble spent coming up with and > >> editing > >> > the pix's. Thanks much and I'm sure Cork will feel the same way. > >> > > >> > Take Care Guys, > >> > Rick > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" > >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:34 AM > >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > >> > > >> > > >> >> The needles on mine are brass. Can it be drilled out? All the > >> >> engines > >> I > >> >> have > >> >> seen have cups on the mains. Mine even has a grease cup to lubricate > >> >> the > >> >> camshaft where it exits the side plate. There was no bush or bearing > >> in > >> >> there but as it was worn I machined it and made a bronze bearing for > >> >> it. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Ray Freeman > >> >> Portable Line Boring > >> >> http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > >> >> plb at plb.iinet.net.au > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Richard Strobel" > >> >> To: "SEL email discussion list" > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:18 PM > >> >> Subject: [SEL] Water Needle valve on a "M" > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > For my machinist friend Corky, alias Spud.....soon to join the > >> SEL. > >> >> > > >> >> > On his 1.5hp low tension IHC "M", the water needle valve is broke > >> >> > off > >> >> > with half of it still inside the mixer. Any suggestions on how to > >> >> > get > >> >> > it > >> >> > out? He wants it original. > >> >> > Also were zerk grease fittings OEM on the mains? > >> >> > > >> >> > We looked at a greased up cc breather yesterday and now > >> >> > understand > >> >> > why > >> >> > they're so pricy. > >> >> > > >> >> > Does anyone have a picture of the water injection "Check valve" > >> >> > affair > >> >> > in > >> >> > the mixer? > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Thanks much gang. > >> >> > > >> >> > RickinMt. > >> >> > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > SEL mailing list > >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Oct 9 08:37:20 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 09:37:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC Message-ID: Could someone please ID the model of the IHC on this page. I thought the picture of the tag would turn out better but it didn't and I didn't write down the serial number. The bible didn't help me much as it looks like several. Here's the link: http://community.webshots.com/album/60686285GaUjRc/4 Thanks much! RickinMt. PS: Checkout the outhouse also and, no the structure was not moved. We found it at an old cemetary. Weird, eh?? From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Oct 9 08:11:46 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 09:11:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] M grease cups. References: <02ef01c4aba9$41d30e30$0100a8c0@Portable><040201c4acd8$5949d1e0$0100a8c0@Portable> <000c01c4ad5d$73599130$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Thanks John. Your prep work is un-equalled!!!!! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] M grease cups. > Rick, here you have them all 4 at the right place and the right > shape and lenght. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/cups.jpg > > John H. > > > > > 1921 Ray. We see no place to lube the camshaft. Just zerks on the > > mains > > and cs. > > > > Take Care, > > Rick > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sat Oct 9 09:38:59 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:38:59 +0200 Subject: [SEL] IHC References: Message-ID: <000601c4ae1e$7a1169f0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Rick, I would say it's a 4 hp Titan hopper cooled. get the serial number, I tell you more. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Could someone please ID the model of the IHC on this page. I thought the > picture of the tag would turn out better but it didn't and I didn't write > down the serial number. The bible didn't help me much as it looks like > several. Here's the link: > > http://community.webshots.com/album/60686285GaUjRc/4 > > Thanks much! > RickinMt. > PS: Checkout the outhouse also and, no the structure was not moved. We > found it at an old cemetary. Weird, eh?? > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Oct 9 09:56:56 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:56:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC References: <000601c4ae1e$7a1169f0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: OK thanks John. It's about 50 miles away so it will be a day or two before I get back down there. later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC > Hi Rick, I would say it's a 4 hp Titan hopper cooled. > get the serial number, I tell you more. > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > Could someone please ID the model of the IHC on this page. I thought > > the > > picture of the tag would turn out better but it didn't and I didn't > > write > > down the serial number. The bible didn't help me much as it looks like > > several. Here's the link: > > > > http://community.webshots.com/album/60686285GaUjRc/4 > > > > Thanks much! > > RickinMt. > > PS: Checkout the outhouse also and, no the structure was not moved. We > > found it at an old cemetary. Weird, eh?? > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From wilson at stny.rr.com Thu Oct 7 21:57:13 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 00:57:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Canadian parts ?? Message-ID: Did anyone send a box to my house for me to ship on to your house? I remember offering to do this for someone, but the box came and now I don't remember who it was. Thanks, Glenn From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Oct 9 10:36:36 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:36:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] IHC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200410091736.i99Haekr008146@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Richard, It looks to be hit and miss, a good thing {parts are cheaper and easier to find]. My question is ,why is it 50 miles away? How come it isn't in your shed? Don't you guys have phones up there? Like John said, The ser # will tell the tale. Nice find, Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 9:57 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC OK thanks John. It's about 50 miles away so it will be a day or two before I get back down there. later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC > Hi Rick, I would say it's a 4 hp Titan hopper cooled. > get the serial number, I tell you more. > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > Could someone please ID the model of the IHC on this page. I thought > > the > > picture of the tag would turn out better but it didn't and I didn't > > write > > down the serial number. The bible didn't help me much as it looks like > > several. Here's the link: > > > > http://community.webshots.com/album/60686285GaUjRc/4 > > > > Thanks much! > > RickinMt. > > PS: Checkout the outhouse also and, no the structure was not moved. We > > found it at an old cemetary. Weird, eh?? > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdi at rochester.rr.com Sat Oct 9 15:38:32 2004 From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:38:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: How to lube old engines? Message-ID: <000b01c4ae50$b4fb47c0$ecb4a918@rochester.rr.com> I wrote: > ...my first engine... a hit-and-miss Taylor Vacuum Engine, Type C, 2HP... > -I already know that on this particular type of engine you need to > mix oil with the gas in order to properly lube the innermost part of the > piston; I'm planning on using modern 2 cycle oil mixed 16:1. "Leroy C." follows up: > You engin[e] is a four stroke > model and you should not need two cycle oil in the fuel?????????? Your > piston will get it's oil, ... On the Taylor Vacuum Engine, the piston is very unusual- it is "stepped" and has two different diameters to it... the "front" half is smaller (and is for power), while the "back" half is much larger (used for the built-in vacuum pump). It's pretty neat. The reason that you need to add oil to the gas is that the Type C only has ONE oiler, and it's only over the "back" half of the piston. There's no drips falling on the smaller front half. The Taylor Engine owner's manual says: "LUBRICATION--NOTICE Mix from 1/4 to 1/2 a pint of cylinder oil with each gallon of gasoline used, the amount of oil required depending upon the quality used, as well as the speed of the engine and climatic conditions." It seems that the oil mixed with the gas is the only way the front half of the piston will get lubricated. This is only for the Taylor engine; as you said, "normal" 4 cycle engines don't need oil in the fuel. When I yank the piston (skirt has a crack that needs re-welding), I'll be sure to take a photo of this piston to share. -Rick I., figuring stuff out near Rochester, NY From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Oct 9 16:08:20 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:08:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Broadband users. Message-ID: <001901c4ae54$de3c0da0$6b856ad5@no1> Hi Gang, I have been using a program called skype to chat for free with people throughout the world. See http://www.skype.com/ Myself & Curt Andree are finding it great to chat & send pictures for no charge. You can also use it to phone people for a small proportion of the normal cost. IE UK to Australia 20 Minutes is about 0.30 Dollars. You do need to be close to your telephone depot or have Broadband to get the benefit How about joining us for engine chat?. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From driggars at earthlink.net Sat Oct 9 16:52:27 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:52:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 Message-ID: <020f01c4ae5d$bccf24a0$270fe204@clinton> I bought a briggs model 14 at auction today, where can I find out about this engine? HP, parts list, etc? Thanks Clint From christison at coastalnet.com Sat Oct 9 18:45:37 2004 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:45:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 References: <020f01c4ae5d$bccf24a0$270fe204@clinton> Message-ID: <000701c4ae6a$d8c0d8e0$3470b341@mshome.net> Clint, Go to http://www.edgeta.org/techdata.htm and click on the link to Bob Learned's page. Take care. Ken Christison Conway, NC christison at coastalnet.com http://www.oldiron-nut.com http://www.syrupmakers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 7:52 PM Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 > I bought a briggs model 14 at auction today, where can I find out about this > engine? HP, parts list, etc? > Thanks > Clint From driggars at earthlink.net Sat Oct 9 19:33:15 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:33:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 References: <020f01c4ae5d$bccf24a0$270fe204@clinton> <000701c4ae6a$d8c0d8e0$3470b341@mshome.net> Message-ID: <004201c4ae71$7fcd1260$7915e204@clinton> ken thanks, i had visited that site earlier and all i can find out about the model 14 is year and bore size, nothing else about it clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 > Clint, > > Go to http://www.edgeta.org/techdata.htm and click on the link to Bob Learned's page. > > Take care. > > Ken Christison > Conway, NC > christison at coastalnet.com > http://www.oldiron-nut.com > http://www.syrupmakers.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clint D" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 7:52 PM > Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 > > > > I bought a briggs model 14 at auction today, where can I find out about this > > engine? HP, parts list, etc? > > Thanks > > Clint > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 9 12:25:27 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:25:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] This list has answers to Frequently Asked Questions - FAQ References: <41675A16.3070704@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <003a01c4ae35$bc37f4e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > I control the content of the FAQ and use the messages from the list to > add new sections and keep it up to date and some interesting content indeed , if you missed it the 1st time "" My Ma has a picture of Gramps and his Pa on a Tractor built out of a big Foos on a Morton truck. They bought it down around Baraboo and drove it to the scrap yard in Wisconsin Dells, where they proceeded to smash it up. Gramps said one smack on each spoke and the flywheel just shattered, he didn't think the castings were real high quality! I think he could get a lot of argument on that one if he were alive today. That was the spring of 1942, priorities were a little different then."""""" From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Oct 9 20:00:12 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:00:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Show pics updated Message-ID: <001301c4ae75$432b3bd0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Just finished posting all the pictures from last weeks show. Some old, some new, for those that looked at the first post. Great time, great contacts and visits, and can't wait for the next one. http://frapa.us/Photos/CiderDays04/Cider04.html Today's show was not as good. Biggest show of the year for the club, but I forgot where it was held. The 750 acres is owned by the City and County of Denver, Colorado, USA, and they don't allow smoking on any of their land. Not on the paved trails, parking lots, or anywhere else. Yes, the Corn Maze and Pumpkin patch should be off limits, and that is only common sense. Spent a short time there and my nose is still burning from the fumes from the generators in the "Children's Play Area", as in pay a bunch of money for the fumes and inflatable rides. Back to the gib key tomorrow. Score now: Gib key 2, Jeff 0. :-( Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From d.fleming at sasktel.net Sat Oct 9 20:51:26 2004 From: d.fleming at sasktel.net (Don & Kay Fleming) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 21:51:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Wisconsin Engine Message-ID: <001e01c4ae7c$76f6ccc0$b7c36e40@FLEMINGWINXP> Hi All, I received the following note a couple of days ago and I am wondering if anyone on the list can help Brian and John out. I have had no experience with wisconsin engines. I am sure that any help would be greatly appreciated. They are not on the list but Brian's e-mail is ba.lake at sasktel.net Thanks in advance. Don Fleming Kipling, Sask. Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: B Lake To: Don & Kay Fleming Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:36 AM Subject: Wisconsin Engine Good morning, Don I'm hoping you might be able to assist with setting up the engine I was helping John install in his skid-steer loader this week. We have it running, but it likely last ran on a swather in the 70's and probably should have a little tuning up. John had taken it apart when he got it and oiled the cylinders, etc. so it's in pretty good shape. The problem relates to ignition timing. The distributor had to be changed from the old engine, because the swather version didn't have the required distributor drive pulley to run the alternator. When we went to move the distributor, we couldn't find any marks on the distributor to get it installed correctly, so we rotated the crankshafts to approx. the same position, marked the rotor in the distributor and went with that. After we got it running, the old method of rotating the distributor to max idle speed, then retarding slightly, doesn't seem to be optimum--the idle isn't great, but when you speed it up to do some work, it runs very well, apparently better than the original. Any information you could find about setting up the timing, etc. would be appreciated. It is a Wisconsin VG4D. Thanks. TTYS. Brian From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Oct 10 02:28:49 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:28:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] FW: Stover engine Message-ID: <200410100928.i9A9Skkr060740@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> If anyone can help Johnny please email him direct at the address below. Patrick M Livingstone _____ From: Nuttin Johnny [mailto:Johnny.Nuttin at village.uunet.be] Subject: Stover engine Hello, Can You tell me witch name plate I need for a Stover horizontal engine type D # n? 20879 from 1910 ? I need also a igniter, the one with the bridg. Can You help me? Thanks Johnny Nuttin Belgium From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Oct 10 05:07:00 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:07:00 +0800 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about it....your eternal bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I came away after having a great week as did my fellow club members. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "List SEL" ; "oldengine list" Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 7:18 AM Subject: [SEL] nhma > I got the club Mag. today and inside was some of the NHMA newsletter. > I have scanned the page and will send it off list to anyone interested. > However, here is one bit I want to comment on. > "A small minority of members cannot understand the necessity of fences > around exhibits.I suggest these members consider that fences protect them > from the public. When tools and equipment,magnetos and perhaps engines are > found missing,and some person places an iron bar or their head in your > flywheels, or your tractor is sabotaged, then perhaps we will hear some > support for fences" > This is from the president J.W. Stanley! > > So, not only are the public needing protection from us, WE are in need of > protection from the public! All of whom,it seems are there to rob and > steal, commit suicide,and vandalise all exhibits! > > And the wire fence is a magic way of stopping all the above occurring! > > I am putting this up for discussion and to show the mindset that is the > NHMA. > > Another section. > "I am concerned that tractors and vehicles > are being exhibited unfenced at some rallies. in these cases THE CLUB AND > EXHIBITOR ARE NOT INSURED' > > So, what is a static tractor or old car going to do? Explode if there is no > fence? > > Words now fail me!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sun Oct 10 06:02:01 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:02:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon> <000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <416932C8.2175B689@insulate.co.uk> Hi Peter The only thing is, you'd have had a great week with or without the fence! I've spent a week at Portland, surrounded by a single rope with no accidents, theft or vandalism. And that included the time I left my SLR camera, complete with spare lenses and filters, on a table amongst the engines - overnight! Fences do nothing to improve the experience one can have at at engine show, so why go to the expense? Dolly peter ogborne wrote: > Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about it....your > eternal > bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show > surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I came away > after having a great week as did my fellow club members. > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Oct 10 06:47:57 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:47:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC References: <200410091736.i99Haekr008146@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: We're trying to get it Jimmy. Belongs to an old timer and he still likes to tinker with it. Well so he says. I haven't seen any progress on it for over a year. Will keep trying Thanks Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 11:36 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] IHC > Richard, > It looks to be hit and miss, a good thing {parts are cheaper and easier > to > find]. My question is ,why is it 50 miles away? How come it isn't in your > shed? Don't you guys have phones up there? Like John said, The ser # will > tell the tale. Nice find, Jimmy O'Hagan > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 9:57 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC > > OK thanks John. It's about 50 miles away so it will be a day or two > before > I get back down there. > > later, > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hammink" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC > > > > Hi Rick, I would say it's a 4 hp Titan hopper cooled. > > get the serial number, I tell you more. > > > > John Hammink > > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please ID the model of the IHC on this page. I thought > > > the > > > picture of the tag would turn out better but it didn't and I didn't > > > write > > > down the serial number. The bible didn't help me much as it looks > > > like > > > several. Here's the link: > > > > > > http://community.webshots.com/album/60686285GaUjRc/4 > > > > > > Thanks much! > > > RickinMt. > > > PS: Checkout the outhouse also and, no the structure was not moved. > > > We > > > found it at an old cemetary. Weird, eh?? > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Oct 10 10:20:51 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:20:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] IHC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200410101720.i9AHKskr036937@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> 0 Rick, Would he be interested in a trade for something that is closer to running? This engine is missing several hundreds of dollars of parts unless they are in the barn for safe keeping. Give him a call and see if he'll give you the ser #. Good luck! Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:48 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC We're trying to get it Jimmy. Belongs to an old timer and he still likes to tinker with it. Well so he says. I haven't seen any progress on it for over a year. Will keep trying Thanks Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 11:36 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] IHC > Richard, > It looks to be hit and miss, a good thing {parts are cheaper and easier > to > find]. My question is ,why is it 50 miles away? How come it isn't in your > shed? Don't you guys have phones up there? Like John said, The ser # will > tell the tale. Nice find, Jimmy O'Hagan > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 9:57 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC > > OK thanks John. It's about 50 miles away so it will be a day or two > before > I get back down there. > > later, > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hammink" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC > > > > Hi Rick, I would say it's a 4 hp Titan hopper cooled. > > get the serial number, I tell you more. > > > > John Hammink > > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please ID the model of the IHC on this page. I thought > > > the > > > picture of the tag would turn out better but it didn't and I didn't > > > write > > > down the serial number. The bible didn't help me much as it looks > > > like > > > several. Here's the link: > > > > > > http://community.webshots.com/album/60686285GaUjRc/4 > > > > > > Thanks much! > > > RickinMt. > > > PS: Checkout the outhouse also and, no the structure was not moved. > > > We > > > found it at an old cemetary. Weird, eh?? > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Oct 10 11:26:18 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:26:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 Message-ID: <20041010.143655.892.5.jlb94@juno.com> I bought a briggs model 14 at auction today Thanks Clint = = = = = = Hi Clint Have you tried this site ? http://www.asecc.com/ Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From driggars at earthlink.net Sun Oct 10 12:51:03 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:51:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 References: <20041010.143655.892.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <02d401c4af02$7ef81740$3518e204@clinton> Joe > I bought a briggs model 14 at auction today > Thanks > Clint > = = = = = = > Hi Clint > Have you tried this site ? > http://www.asecc.com/ Yes I tried it and searched Google for two days now and cannot find out a lot about the model 14 Clint > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - > \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Oct 10 14:16:43 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:16:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon> <000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <001101c4af0e$757dd400$760d1bd3@athlon> Peter, How many children and other interested people had the chance to examine the exhibits? NONE! How many potential new hobby members missed out? LOTS! You just dont get it, do you? I am NOT against insurance or fences. I AM against the 'Cringe' mentality that has taken over this hobby. Oh, it aint worth the bother!! Goodby. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about it....your > eternal > bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show > surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I came away > after having a great week as did my fellow club members. From BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com Sun Oct 10 15:03:59 2004 From: BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com (barry gorman) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:03:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon> <000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <004701c4af15$126fd730$95218b90@userw32g91tqfi> Good Onya Peter Barry G. The Glorious Hunter Valley AUSTRALIA BarryandPamGorman at bigpond,com ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about it....your eternal bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I came away after having a great week as did my fellow club members. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Oct 10 01:59:38 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:59:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Large Aussie Engines Message-ID: <200410102226.i9AMQ8kr088933@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> A few weeks ago I bought an 8hp Buzacott. It is in pretty sad condition and was missing the head. I have a spare head for my 7hp Fuller & Johnson and I am very lucky to find that the head fits perfectly. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/buzzacott81.html Another big Aussie engine to find its way to a new home is Ron's recently acquired 20hp Austral Oil Engine. This is an enormous lump of iron which the previous owner had dismantled, even taking the cams off the sideshaft! We hope to have it back together and running by Christmas. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/austral20hp.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Oct 10 15:54:26 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:54:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon><000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <004701c4af15$126fd730$95218b90@userw32g91tqfi> Message-ID: <002901c4af1c$18690f60$8a63fea9@sweeper> I'm with you Barry Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "barry gorman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > Good Onya Peter > Barry G. > The Glorious Hunter Valley > AUSTRALIA > BarryandPamGorman at bigpond,com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about it....your > eternal bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show > surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I came away > after having a great week as did my fellow club members. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Oct 10 16:04:44 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:04:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon> <000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <004501c4af1d$880cd030$8a63fea9@sweeper> Good on you Pete and I bet you had a lot of interest shown by the public. I know I do when I am showing. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about it....your > eternal > bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show > surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I came away > after having a great week as did my fellow club members. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > To: "List SEL" ; "oldengine list" > > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 7:18 AM > Subject: [SEL] nhma > > > > I got the club Mag. today and inside was some of the NHMA newsletter. > > I have scanned the page and will send it off list to anyone interested. > > However, here is one bit I want to comment on. > > "A small minority of members cannot understand the necessity of fences > > around exhibits.I suggest these members consider that fences protect them > > from the public. When tools and equipment,magnetos and perhaps engines are > > found missing,and some person places an iron bar or their head in your > > flywheels, or your tractor is sabotaged, then perhaps we will hear some > > support for fences" > > This is from the president J.W. Stanley! > > > > So, not only are the public needing protection from us, WE are in need of > > protection from the public! All of whom,it seems are there to rob and > > steal, commit suicide,and vandalise all exhibits! > > > > And the wire fence is a magic way of stopping all the above occurring! > > > > I am putting this up for discussion and to show the mindset that is the > > NHMA. > > > > Another section. > > "I am concerned that tractors and vehicles > > are being exhibited unfenced at some rallies. in these cases THE CLUB AND > > EXHIBITOR ARE NOT INSURED' > > > > So, what is a static tractor or old car going to do? Explode if there is > no > > fence? > > > > Words now fail me!! > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Oct 10 16:28:01 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:28:01 +0800 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon><000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <001101c4af0e$757dd400$760d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <002a01c4af20$e4464040$a5a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> There must be some thing in the water! Let me explain to you Reg ,despite your extraordinary powers as to be able to know what goes on at our show, from the other side of the country ,ie your statement of NONE. We had the normal number of requests for membership forms ,kids and dads were showing the normal interest, the fence did not inhibit them. The very simple fact is that rules are rules and i say again that if you want to participate in this hobby and exhibit your engines or whatever in this country then ''Duty of Care '' is required. The NHMA do a job that not many of us care to take on and they dont deserve the knocking. Cringe mentality.....................no just wanting to enjoy the hobby. what they do in the US and the UK has nothing to do with they way things are run here. There are many ,many people working to the rules and enjoying the hobby..........Horses for Courses Reg, why keep bitching ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > Peter, How many children and other interested people had the chance to > examine the exhibits? NONE! > How many potential new hobby members missed out? LOTS! > You just dont get it, do you? > I am NOT against insurance or fences. > I AM against the 'Cringe' mentality that has taken over this hobby. > Oh, it aint worth the bother!! Goodby. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about it....your > > eternal > > bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show > > surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I came > away > > after having a great week as did my fellow club members. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Oct 10 17:28:10 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:28:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Austral exhaust casting Message-ID: <200410110028.i9B0SMkr009836@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Thanks to the generosity of one of my club members (who pulled the part off his engine and loaned it to me) I finally have the correct exhaust stack on my little Austral. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Austral/04101002.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Austral/04101003.JPG It is quite a substantial casting and required a core but it came out very well. It was quite costly but it is worth it to finish off the engine. Now to drill the mounting holes and fit it in time for the R-T Centenary Rally :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Oct 10 07:17:29 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:17:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] JD Grain Elevator Message-ID: Howdy all; Is this implement just called a "Grain Elevator?" That's a F-M engine on it. The owner has assurred us that it is not for sale, but we'll keep on him. Here's a link for a picture and hit forward for more. http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/197852290xMcYqI Thanks much! RickinMt. PS: Looking for transportation for a small hyd cylinder from I-90 corridor in Mt. to Snohomish, Wash. From plb at iinet.net.au Sun Oct 10 17:32:17 2004 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:32:17 +0800 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon><000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3><001101c4af0e$757dd400$760d1bd3@athlon> <002a01c4af20$e4464040$a5a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <00cd01c4af29$c3b38aa0$0100a8c0@Portable> Well spoke!! Ray Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > There must be some thing in the water! Let me explain to you Reg ,despite > your extraordinary powers as to be able to know what goes on at our show, > from the other side of the country ,ie your statement of NONE. We had the > normal number of requests for membership forms ,kids and dads were showing > the normal interest, the fence did not inhibit them. > The very simple fact is that rules are rules and i say again that if you > want to participate in this hobby and exhibit your engines or whatever in > this country then ''Duty of Care '' is required. The NHMA do a job that > not > many of us care to take on and they dont deserve the knocking. Cringe > mentality.....................no just wanting to enjoy the hobby. what > they > do in the US and the UK has nothing to do with they way things are run > here. > There are many ,many people working to the rules and enjoying the > hobby..........Horses for Courses Reg, why keep bitching ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:16 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > >> Peter, How many children and other interested people had the chance to >> examine the exhibits? NONE! >> How many potential new hobby members missed out? LOTS! >> You just dont get it, do you? >> I am NOT against insurance or fences. >> I AM against the 'Cringe' mentality that has taken over this hobby. >> Oh, it aint worth the bother!! Goodby. >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "peter ogborne" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma >> >> >> > Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about > it....your >> > eternal >> > bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show >> > surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I came >> away >> > after having a great week as did my fellow club members. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From christison at coastalnet.com Sun Oct 10 18:06:28 2004 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:06:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] JD Grain Elevator References: Message-ID: <002c01c4af2e$8a5e2a80$0100a8c0@mshome.net> We just call them grain augers. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "Antique John Deere mailing list" ; "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:17 AM Subject: [SEL] JD Grain Elevator > Howdy all; > Is this implement just called a "Grain Elevator?" . > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/197852290xMcYqI From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Oct 10 18:27:38 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:27:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon><000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <001101c4af0e$757dd400$760d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <003401c4af31$7f80c3e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Reg, Please clear this up for me. NHMA insurance is a liability insurance if someone gets injured? You pay for it just in case someone wants to put their head in a flywheel and it should cover the moron that chooses suicide by flywheel? Once you have paid for your insurance to protect yourself, you are required to keep the public away from your display? What is the point of the insurance? As a visitor to a show I can purchase insurance and now I'm fine behind the fence? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ This horse ain't dead folks. The attitude that it can't happen here will insure that it will happen here. The fool speaks again Peter O. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > Peter, How many children and other interested people had the chance to > examine the exhibits? NONE! > How many potential new hobby members missed out? LOTS! > You just dont get it, do you? > I am NOT against insurance or fences. > I AM against the 'Cringe' mentality that has taken over this hobby. > Oh, it aint worth the bother!! Goodby. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > >> Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about >> it....your >> eternal >> bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show >> surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I came > away >> after having a great week as did my fellow club members. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com Sun Oct 10 18:33:44 2004 From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:33:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] JD Grain Elevator References: <002c01c4af2e$8a5e2a80$0100a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <003501c4af32$5999e520$fdc67040@user> Round here a "auger" is the screw inside the tube. This has a chain and fits the "elevator" description. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] JD Grain Elevator We just call them grain augers. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "Antique John Deere mailing list" ; "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:17 AM Subject: [SEL] JD Grain Elevator > Howdy all; > Is this implement just called a "Grain Elevator?" . > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/197852290xMcYqI _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alanb2 at webtv.net Sun Oct 10 18:32:48 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:32:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 In-Reply-To: "Clint D" 's message of Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:51:03 -0500 Message-ID: <12565-4169E2C0-483@storefull-3277.bay.webtv.net> Hi Clint, Is it a straight model 14 or is there something else after the 14? I recommend you buy a book. Repairman's Handbook Service Manual for Out of Production Engines 1919 - 1981 It is from the Briggs & Stratton Co. If you go to the http://www.asecc.com site and look around you will find a links page with parts suppliers. I believe I got my copy from Bob's Small Engine Supply Co. or something like that. It covers a LOT of the old cast iron B&S engines. For the model 14 alone it lists, 14B, 14F, 14FB, 14FBC, 14FBPC, 14FBP, 14P, 14R6 & 14R6D I hope this helps, Alan ================================== Have you tried this site ? http://www.asecc.com/ Yes I tried it and searched Google for two days now and cannot find out a lot about the model 14 Clint . . . Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From ivancou at usachoice.net Sun Oct 10 18:52:08 2004 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:52:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 References: <020f01c4ae5d$bccf24a0$270fe204@clinton> Message-ID: <000001c4af34$ec7ea720$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Clint , the 14 is too old for Briggs to list on their web site . I have several , they were built from March 1948 to Sept 1963 . I have a parts list for the 14 -,b,fb,r6,r6d . I found my manual on Ebay . Parts , same place. NAPA lists them in their older catalog ,I havent tried but might be available yet . My books are out in the shop but I think 5 hp is about it and they are rated at a lower rpm than the newer engines if I remember right . The mod 19 are 8 hp and the 23 are 9 hp. Ivan From christison at coastalnet.com Sun Oct 10 19:07:22 2004 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:07:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] JD Grain Elevator References: <002c01c4af2e$8a5e2a80$0100a8c0@mshome.net> <003501c4af32$5999e520$fdc67040@user> Message-ID: <003201c4af37$0c90e120$0100a8c0@mshome.net> Thanks for setting me straight Paul. I should have looked at it a little better. My grain mill catalogs just call these conveyors, though I don't show any that are in round tubes like the screw conveyors. Take care. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Russell" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] JD Grain Elevator > Round here a "auger" is the screw inside the tube. > This has a chain and fits the "elevator" description. From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sun Oct 10 20:57:50 2004 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:57:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 In-Reply-To: <000701c4ae6a$d8c0d8e0$3470b341@mshome.net> References: <020f01c4ae5d$bccf24a0$270fe204@clinton> <000701c4ae6a$d8c0d8e0$3470b341@mshome.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041010225705.02102f90@mail.herculesengines.com> Bob Learned had a great signature line on his e-mails. Can anybody remember what it was? Thanks. Keith At 08:45 PM 10/9/2004, you wrote: >Clint, > >Go to http://www.edgeta.org/techdata.htm and click on the link to Bob >Learned's page. > >Take care. > >Ken Christison >Conway, NC >christison at coastalnet.com >http://www.oldiron-nut.com >http://www.syrupmakers.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Clint D" >To: >Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 7:52 PM >Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 > > > > I bought a briggs model 14 at auction today, where can I find out about > this > > engine? HP, parts list, etc? > > Thanks > > Clint > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From driggars at earthlink.net Sun Oct 10 21:26:31 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:26:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 References: <12565-4169E2C0-483@storefull-3277.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <00c401c4af4a$7d8f4ac0$d318e204@clinton> Alan Yes, all I can see stamped is 14 on the tag, nothing after the 14 Clint > Hi Clint, > > Is it a straight model 14 or is there something else after the 14? > > I recommend you buy a book. > > Repairman's Handbook > Service Manual for Out of Production Engines 1919 - 1981 > It is from the Briggs & Stratton Co. > > If you go to the http://www.asecc.com site and look around you will find > a links page with parts suppliers. I believe I got my copy from Bob's > Small Engine Supply Co. or something like that. > > It covers a LOT of the old cast iron B&S engines. For the model 14 > alone it lists, > 14B, 14F, 14FB, 14FBC, 14FBPC, 14FBP, 14P, 14R6 & 14R6D > > I hope this helps, > > Alan > > ================================== > > Have you tried this site ? > > http://www.asecc.com/ > > Yes I tried it and searched Google for two days now and cannot find out > a lot about the model 14 > Clint > . > . > . > > Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net > Williamsburg, Michigan > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 10 22:48:22 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:48:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 References: <020f01c4ae5d$bccf24a0$270fe204@clinton><000701c4ae6a$d8c0d8e0$3470b341@mshome.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041010225705.02102f90@mail.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <005501c4af55$eb9dba00$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> > Bob Learned had a great signature line on his e-mails. Can anybody > remember what it was? "A closed mouth gathers no feet." Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 > Bob Learned had a great signature line on his e-mails. Can anybody > remember what it was? > Thanks. > Keith > > > > At 08:45 PM 10/9/2004, you wrote: >>Clint, >> >>Go to http://www.edgeta.org/techdata.htm and click on the link to Bob >>Learned's page. >> >>Take care. >> >>Ken Christison >>Conway, NC >>christison at coastalnet.com >>http://www.oldiron-nut.com >>http://www.syrupmakers.com >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Clint D" >>To: >>Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 7:52 PM >>Subject: [SEL] Briggs Model 14 >> >> >> > I bought a briggs model 14 at auction today, where can I find out about >> this >> > engine? HP, parts list, etc? >> > Thanks >> > Clint >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Oct 11 00:31:29 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:31:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon><000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3><001101c4af0e$757dd400$760d1bd3@athlon> <003401c4af31$7f80c3e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <001a01c4af64$533be0c0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Jeff It is a public liability insurance that we talk about not personal accident insurance although, in my time on the committee we did have personal accident insurance as well. I don't know if that is the case at present. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > Reg, > > Please clear this up for me. NHMA insurance is a liability insurance if > someone gets injured? You pay for it just in case someone wants to put their > head in a flywheel and it should cover the moron that chooses suicide by > flywheel? Once you have paid for your insurance to protect yourself, you are > required to keep the public away from your display? What is the point of the > insurance? > > As a visitor to a show I can purchase insurance and now I'm fine behind the > fence? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > > This horse ain't dead folks. The attitude that it can't happen here will > insure that it will happen here. The fool speaks again Peter O. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 3:16 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > Peter, How many children and other interested people had the chance to > > examine the exhibits? NONE! > > How many potential new hobby members missed out? LOTS! > > You just dont get it, do you? > > I am NOT against insurance or fences. > > I AM against the 'Cringe' mentality that has taken over this hobby. > > Oh, it aint worth the bother!! Goodby. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "peter ogborne" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > > >> Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about > >> it....your > >> eternal > >> bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show > >> surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I came > > away > >> after having a great week as did my fellow club members. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Oct 11 00:32:17 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:32:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon><000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3><001101c4af0e$757dd400$760d1bd3@athlon> <002a01c4af20$e4464040$a5a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <003001c4af64$6f65a7e0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Once again good on you Peter. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > There must be some thing in the water! Let me explain to you Reg ,despite > your extraordinary powers as to be able to know what goes on at our show, > from the other side of the country ,ie your statement of NONE. We had the > normal number of requests for membership forms ,kids and dads were showing > the normal interest, the fence did not inhibit them. > The very simple fact is that rules are rules and i say again that if you > want to participate in this hobby and exhibit your engines or whatever in > this country then ''Duty of Care '' is required. The NHMA do a job that not > many of us care to take on and they dont deserve the knocking. Cringe > mentality.....................no just wanting to enjoy the hobby. what they > do in the US and the UK has nothing to do with they way things are run here. > There are many ,many people working to the rules and enjoying the > hobby..........Horses for Courses Reg, why keep bitching ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:16 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > Peter, How many children and other interested people had the chance to > > examine the exhibits? NONE! > > How many potential new hobby members missed out? LOTS! > > You just dont get it, do you? > > I am NOT against insurance or fences. > > I AM against the 'Cringe' mentality that has taken over this hobby. > > Oh, it aint worth the bother!! Goodby. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "peter ogborne" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > > > > Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about > it....your > > > eternal > > > bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show > > > surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I came > > away > > > after having a great week as did my fellow club members. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Mon Oct 11 01:36:13 2004 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:36:13 +0800 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon><000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3><001101c4af0e$757dd400$760d1bd3@athlon><002a01c4af20$e4464040$a5a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <003001c4af64$6f65a7e0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: <01e701c4af6d$5e5f3390$210110ac@service> Gidday guys, i have to say i agree with Peter, i have no problems with fencing and we have heaps of people & children being shown how engines work and what they were used for, also at each show we always end up with a new member or two, not bad for small country town shows. Chester Smith Katanning WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > Once again good on you Peter. > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 9:28 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > There must be some thing in the water! Let me explain to you Reg ,despite > > your extraordinary powers as to be able to know what goes on at our show, > > from the other side of the country ,ie your statement of NONE. We had the > > normal number of requests for membership forms ,kids and dads were showing > > the normal interest, the fence did not inhibit them. > > The very simple fact is that rules are rules and i say again that if you > > want to participate in this hobby and exhibit your engines or whatever in > > this country then ''Duty of Care '' is required. The NHMA do a job that > not > > many of us care to take on and they dont deserve the knocking. Cringe > > mentality.....................no just wanting to enjoy the hobby. what > they > > do in the US and the UK has nothing to do with they way things are run > here. > > There are many ,many people working to the rules and enjoying the > > hobby..........Horses for Courses Reg, why keep bitching ? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:16 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > > > > Peter, How many children and other interested people had the chance to > > > examine the exhibits? NONE! > > > How many potential new hobby members missed out? LOTS! > > > You just dont get it, do you? > > > I am NOT against insurance or fences. > > > I AM against the 'Cringe' mentality that has taken over this hobby. > > > Oh, it aint worth the bother!! Goodby. > > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "peter ogborne" > > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > > > > > > > Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about > > it....your > > > > eternal > > > > bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show > > > > surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I came > > > away > > > > after having a great week as did my fellow club members. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Oct 11 03:07:51 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:07:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing Message-ID: <101120041007.5584.3731@mchsi.com> Does anyone know a source for Pulmore brand belt dressing? Realized I am almost out as I like using it for my belts when grinding corn meal,etc. thankyou in advance, Curt Andree From froberts at dodo.com.au Mon Oct 11 04:08:30 2004 From: froberts at dodo.com.au (Fred Roberts) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:08:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon><000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3><001101c4af0e$757dd400$760d1bd3@athlon> <002a01c4af20$e4464040$a5a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <007401c4af82$a5039060$2584dccb@froberts> PETER. Well done,my sentiment also. Regards Fred From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Oct 11 05:25:40 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 05:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] nhma In-Reply-To: <001a01c4af64$533be0c0$8a63fea9@sweeper> References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon><000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3><001101c4af0e$757dd400$760d1bd3@athlon> <003401c4af31$7f80c3e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <001a01c4af64$533be0c0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: <64055.165.206.180.118.1097497540.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Guess I will never figure out why _I_ should be liable for some a$$hole who is so bloody stupid, so dumb, so should be out of the gene pool anyway that they stick their head into a running engine, get hurt, then want to BLAME ME or the show putter-onner. Oh, I know - it's John Edwards and his merry band of lawyers, that's it! Because THEY make money when some total moron gets hurt through NO fault of mine, but wants to blame me so they can collect some easy money. Well, in the words of a great rock band - they need to "Get over it". As a local radio show host says, this country is in an entitlement mentality - the world owes me, I don't have all I want so the world owes me. If I display my engines, don't have an engine that is unsafe around people with a lick of common sense, then there should be no liability on my part should someone get hurt. Should it not be that simple? Now if I take an unsafe engine, or if I do something stupid like walk away from it and the governor doesn't work and an engine rated at 500RPM suddenly goes into overdrive and hits some crazy speed and some parts break and it hurts someone who is not even looking at it, then OK, I have a problem then. I can see insurance for that - "accident" sort of thing. But where do the fences some in? To protect ME from some absolute moron who can't keep their fingers out of moving parts - sorry, I won't show behind a bullet-proof glass. I'll stay home and enjoy them first, maybe invite some friends - who are smart enough to touch and not get hurt. I don't even go to museums where I can't get close and personal with the displays. It's no better than looking at pictures in a book, and that's cheaper. I want people to mill around the displays and ask questions, and look close at the working parts and show interest. And I want to come and go without having to traverse fences. The ropes like used at Waukee are plenty for smart people. The dumb ones can just stay home where they can get hurt putting their hands into a garbage disposal to unclog it. Gee, I feel better now. Reg - keep on talking - I really do enjoy hearing/reading you, even if it is a rant. At least your rants are logical. Bill > Jeff > > It is a public liability insurance that we talk about not personal > accident > insurance although, in my time on the committee we did have personal > accident insurance as well. I don't know if that is the case at present. > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:27 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > >> Reg, >> >> Please clear this up for me. NHMA insurance is a liability insurance if >> someone gets injured? You pay for it just in case someone wants to put > their >> head in a flywheel and it should cover the moron that chooses suicide by >> flywheel? Once you have paid for your insurance to protect yourself, you > are >> required to keep the public away from your display? What is the point of > the >> insurance? >> >> As a visitor to a show I can purchase insurance and now I'm fine behind > the >> fence? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ >> >> This horse ain't dead folks. The attitude that it can't happen here will >> insure that it will happen here. The fool speaks again Peter O. >> >> Regards, >> >> Jeff Allen >> Arvada, Colorado USA >> >> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ >> http://frapa.us/ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 3:16 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma >> >> >> > Peter, How many children and other interested people had the chance to >> > examine the exhibits? NONE! >> > How many potential new hobby members missed out? LOTS! >> > You just dont get it, do you? >> > I am NOT against insurance or fences. >> > I AM against the 'Cringe' mentality that has taken over this hobby. >> > Oh, it aint worth the bother!! Goodby. >> > Reg & Marg Ingold. >> > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> > randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "peter ogborne" >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma >> > >> > >> >> Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about >> >> it....your >> >> eternal >> >> bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show >> >> surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I >> came >> > away >> >> after having a great week as did my fellow club members. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From wrl at gwltd.com Mon Oct 11 05:34:57 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:34:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Guy References: <003a01c4abf7$6eacb2a0$0800005a@davem.com> <000701c4abfa$4a3382c0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <000c01c4af8e$bc03d0c0$958c99a6@davem.com> Hi John, yes the Deere collectors center nad musem is really very nice. I had not been done there for some time, then I stopped one day looking for a part for my B, and I was disapointed that they had closed the parts department. Or at least scaled it way back. Second Ave where it is located many years ago was where all the local businees's were located, then that area kinda went to hell. Bunch of old buildings falling down and so on. Then Deere & Co. Donated some land where the old plow works was located. The city started buliding a new arena, and Deere donated more land and away it went. Several of the old building were renevated and some came down to make way for new ones. Any way the area is much nicer now. Have you ever been to the Collectors center for the annual auction, it a lot of fun. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Guy > Welcome aboard Dave, interesting city you live in. Visited > already JD three times in the past years. > Curious what IH you have. > > Regards,John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > Howdy, new to the list, and glad to see it's a very avtive list too. I just brought home to engines. One is a Stover CT 1, it has > a Wico ek mag on it that's not working. I hope to have this one running by the weekend. I may ask for advise on the mag, if I > don't get it to fire after tonight. The other engine is a IH, not sure of the model yet. > I also got a Letz corn grinder, belt drivin. I hope to get it working so I can grind my own feed for my chickens. I plan to run it > off my 48 JD B. > > Name is Dave Mayfield, Moline, Illinois Howdy to you all. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From wrl at gwltd.com Mon Oct 11 05:47:13 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:47:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IH Model LA Message-ID: <006f01c4af90$72576ca0$958c99a6@davem.com> Someone here on the list asked me what IH engine I had just purchased, It's a Model LA 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 horse. It's currently not running. I just started to work on it yesterday, and should not be any big deal. Needs a little TLC. Dave From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Oct 11 07:41:08 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:41:08 +0200 Subject: [SEL] IH Model LA References: <006f01c4af90$72576ca0$958c99a6@davem.com> Message-ID: <000a01c4afa0$58d15b00$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> I did Dave, I was curious if you had found an old Famous or Mogul. Never been at an auction there, heard about the high prices. Last year visited the old R&V buildings when we were at the R&V reunion. John H. Someone here on the list asked me what IH engine I had just purchased, It's a Model LA 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 horse. It's currently not running. I just started to work on it yesterday, and should not be any big deal. Needs a little TLC. Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Oct 11 07:49:20 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:49:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC References: <200410101720.i9AHKskr036937@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: Jimmy, I think he's the kinda guy that doesn't sell anything. He might trade. Will stay in touch with him. Take Care, Rick > Rick, Would he be interested in a trade for something that is closer to > running? This engine is missing several hundreds of dollars of parts > unless > they are in the barn for safe keeping. Give him a call and see if he'll > give > you the ser #. Good luck! > > Jim O'Hagan From b2 at chooka.net Mon Oct 11 08:14:00 2004 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:14:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <101120041007.5584.3731@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <002801c4afa4$eff31880$690a0a0a@BILLPC> Curt, I think there was a thread a while back on this, the stuff is no longer available. I just looked at the McMaster online catalog, they sell a belt dressing in a spray can, I'm sure there are other sources for such product. I've been kind of hoarding my can of Pulmore, using it sparingly, since I don't expect to find another...although I do keep an eye open at auctions. I found the can I have on the farm when my folks died. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, Minnesota USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL list" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:07 AM Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing > Does anyone know a source for Pulmore brand belt dressing? Realized I am > almost out as I like using it for my belts when grinding corn meal,etc. > thankyou in advance, > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Oct 11 09:27:04 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:27:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing In-Reply-To: <002801c4afa4$eff31880$690a0a0a@BILLPC> Message-ID: <200410111627.i9BGRDkr072662@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > I just looked at the McMaster online catalog, they sell a > belt dressing in a spray can, I'm sure there are other > sources for such product. Y'know... I've been hording my belt dressing and lamenting that it's no longer available. I couldn't understand WHY it's no longer being made, as it's far superior to the worthless spray on product. Then it hit me. Could it be that stick dressing is too much of a liability? The sale of such a product clearly implies that the manufacturer suggests that the user stick his hand inside moving machinery. There's no doubt that it's dangerous. You know it, I know it, the manufacturers know it. If an accident were to occur, the whimpering sheilas, their lawyers and their insurance companies would take the manufacturer to the cleaners. Rob 1 1/2 tubes remaining. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From bboyce at swat.coop Mon Oct 11 10:06:16 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:06:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update Message-ID: <003f01c4afb4$9f48a9d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> after several letters, several phone calls, and a trip to shreveport, i;ve finally gotten the best news so far...... heard from a gentlemen in the KCS corporate office in kansas city this morning,,, told me the engine was mine, free of any charge, and that the railroad would remove it for me,,, all i would need to do is bring a trailer to haul it home,,,,, of course, that still remains to be seen, but at least its a positive note,,,, first thing i;m gonna do is call the guy responsible for taking it down and kindly suggest some ideas for moving it without bending the crankshaft,,,,, also, i;m going to see if they will let go up on the tower and take some pictures before its removed,,,,, will update with any additional news,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From b2 at chooka.net Mon Oct 11 10:23:28 2004 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:23:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <200410111627.i9BGRDkr072662@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <003201c4afb7$062e7380$690a0a0a@BILLPC> Could well be, Rob. Must be a problem for the spray folks, too, although not quite like rubbing the stick on the inside of a running belt. The Pulmore I have is liquid form comes in a can with a little red spout to dribble it onto the belt. Kind of a real thin tar, wonder if one could mix up some roofing tar with kerosene to about that consistency. But the same thing, you gotta get inside the moving belt to put it on. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, Minnesota USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:27 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Belt Dressing > > I just looked at the McMaster online catalog, they sell a > > belt dressing in a spray can, I'm sure there are other > > sources for such product. > > Y'know... I've been hording my belt dressing and lamenting that it's no longer > available. I couldn't understand WHY it's no longer being made, as it's far > superior to the worthless spray on product. > > Then it hit me. Could it be that stick dressing is too much of a liability? > The sale of such a product clearly implies that the manufacturer suggests that > the user stick his hand inside moving machinery. There's no doubt that it's > dangerous. You know it, I know it, the manufacturers know it. > > If an accident were to occur, the whimpering sheilas, their lawyers and their > insurance companies would take the manufacturer to the cleaners. > > Rob > 1 1/2 tubes remaining. > > > > > > > > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 11 10:40:42 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:40:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <101120041007.5584.3731@mchsi.com> <002801c4afa4$eff31880$690a0a0a@BILLPC> Message-ID: <005001c4afb9$6ec17800$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > I've been kind of hoarding my can of Pulmore, using it sparingly, since I > don't expect to find another... there was some in a mixed lot on Ebay , in May From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Oct 11 10:41:59 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:41:59 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <101120041007.5584.3731@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <000a01c4afb9$9e0e14b0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Curt, I use a block of that stuff for my belts, I got it once from a lathe trader. Just had a phone call with a trader I know and he has some old fashion belt sticks on stock. October 31 we will meet each other at a swapmeet and he told me to bring the stuff along. Remember the good time we had at the R&V reunion last year, so I will send you one. Let you know when I have it. Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Does anyone know a source for Pulmore brand belt dressing? Realized I am > almost out as I like using it for my belts when grinding corn meal,etc. > thankyou in advance, > Curt Andree From diesel at easynet.co.uk Mon Oct 11 10:54:37 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:54:37 +0100 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update In-Reply-To: <003f01c4afb4$9f48a9d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> References: <003f01c4afb4$9f48a9d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:06:16 -0500, you wrote: >after several letters, several phone calls, and a trip to shreveport, i;ve finally gotten the best news so far...... heard from a gentlemen in the KCS corporate office in kansas city this morning,,, told me the engine was mine, free of any charge, and that the railroad would remove it for me,,, all i would need to do is bring a trailer to haul it home,,,,, of course, that still remains to be seen, but at least its a positive note,,,, first thing i;m gonna do is call the guy responsible for taking it down and kindly suggest some ideas for moving it without bending the crankshaft,,,,, also, i;m going to see if they will let go up on the tower and take some pictures before its removed,,,,, will update with any additional news,,, >bill boyce >lost prairie, arkansas That is great news Bill, we have been keeping an eye on the project to date, but this is the best kind of news you could get! Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Oct 11 11:09:30 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:09:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update In-Reply-To: <003f01c4afb4$9f48a9d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> References: <003f01c4afb4$9f48a9d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: Wow! John On Oct 11, 2004, at 1:06 PM, Bill Boyce wrote: > after several letters, several phone calls, and a trip to shreveport, > i;ve finally gotten the best news so far...... heard from a gentlemen > in the KCS corporate office in kansas city this morning,,, told me the > engine was mine, free of any charge, and that the railroad would > remove it for me,,, all i would need to do is bring a trailer to haul > it home,,,,, of course, that still remains to be seen, but at least > its a positive note,,,, first thing i;m gonna do is call the guy > responsible for taking it down and kindly suggest some ideas for > moving it without bending the crankshaft,,,,, also, i;m going to see > if they will let go up on the tower and take some pictures before its > removed,,,,, will update with any additional news,,, > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Oct 11 11:13:07 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:13:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update In-Reply-To: <003f01c4afb4$9f48a9d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <200410111813.i9BIDAkr091229@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> I 'd BUY a Vidio! Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Boyce Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:06 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update after several letters, several phone calls, and a trip to shreveport, i;ve finally gotten the best news so far...... heard from a gentlemen in the KCS corporate office in kansas city this morning,,, told me the engine was mine, free of any charge, and that the railroad would remove it for me,,, all i would need to do is bring a trailer to haul it home,,,,, of course, that still remains to be seen, but at least its a positive note,,,, first thing i;m gonna do is call the guy responsible for taking it down and kindly suggest some ideas for moving it without bending the crankshaft,,,,, also, i;m going to see if they will let go up on the tower and take some pictures before its removed,,,,, will update with any additional news,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at keyconn.net Mon Oct 11 15:17:38 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:17:38 -0800 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update In-Reply-To: <003f01c4afb4$9f48a9d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20041011141706.0230b008@mail.keyconn.net> Sounds GREAT Bill R Fink PA At 12:06 PM 10/11/2004 -0500, you wrote: >after several letters, several phone calls, and a trip to shreveport, i;ve >finally gotten the best news so far...... heard from a gentlemen in the >KCS corporate office in kansas city this morning,,, told me the engine was >mine, free of any charge, and that the railroad would remove it for me,,, >all i would need to do is bring a trailer to haul it home,,,,, of course, >that still remains to be seen, but at least its a positive note,,,, first >thing i;m gonna do is call the guy responsible for taking it down and >kindly suggest some ideas for moving it without bending the >crankshaft,,,,, also, i;m going to see if they will let go up on the >tower and take some pictures before its removed,,,,, will update with any >additional news,,, >bill boyce >lost prairie, arkansas >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wrl at gwltd.com Mon Oct 11 11:35:15 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:35:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT 1 Message-ID: <001c01c4afc1$136a50a0$0800005a@davem.com> Well, over the weekend I got the old stover running real well, had some small trouble with the governer, but we got it all adjusted right and now it purrs fine. I do have a question or two. 1. My Stover slings oil from one side of the crank, what type of seal is in there. I assume this was made before seals like we use today. I just finished rebuilding the engine on a 41, Ford 9n and the rear main seal was a kind of rope seal. 2. I plan to tear it all down and go thru it and then repaint this winter, right now the engine is red and the vavle push rod and governor linkages are yellow, anyone know the correct color/s also any links to pictures of this engine? Dave From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Oct 11 04:51:32 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:51:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon><000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3><001101c4af0e$757dd400$760d1bd3@athlon><002a01c4af20$e4464040$a5a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <003001c4af64$6f65a7e0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: <000201c4afcd$d840d320$300d1bd3@athlon> Ok, I apologise to the list for following this thread. I did not realise I was upsetting members to the extent I have. I will bear this in mind when commenting on future topics. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > Once again good on you Peter. > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 9:28 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > There must be some thing in the water! Let me explain to you Reg ,despite > > your extraordinary powers as to be able to know what goes on at our show, > > from the other side of the country ,ie your statement of NONE. We had the > > normal number of requests for membership forms ,kids and dads were showing > > the normal interest, the fence did not inhibit them. > > The very simple fact is that rules are rules and i say again that if you > > want to participate in this hobby and exhibit your engines or whatever in > > this country then ''Duty of Care '' is required. The NHMA do a job that > not > > many of us care to take on and they dont deserve the knocking. Cringe > > mentality.....................no just wanting to enjoy the hobby. what > they > > do in the US and the UK has nothing to do with they way things are run > here. > > There are many ,many people working to the rules and enjoying the > > hobby..........Horses for Courses Reg, why keep bitching ? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:16 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > > > > Peter, How many children and other interested people had the chance to > > > examine the exhibits? NONE! > > > How many potential new hobby members missed out? LOTS! > > > You just dont get it, do you? > > > I am NOT against insurance or fences. > > > I AM against the 'Cringe' mentality that has taken over this hobby. > > > Oh, it aint worth the bother!! Goodby. > > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "peter ogborne" > > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > > > > > > > Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about > > it....your > > > > eternal > > > > bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal Show > > > > surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or vandalism. I came > > > away > > > > after having a great week as did my fellow club members. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Mon Oct 11 13:08:57 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:08:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] nhma In-Reply-To: <000201c4afcd$d840d320$300d1bd3@athlon> References: <001801c4abfa$e2d4ff40$ac0d1bd3@athlon><000701c4aec1$a9b4b510$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3><001101c4af0e$757dd400$760d1bd3@athlon><002a01c4af20$e4464040$a5a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <003001c4af64$6f65a7e0$8a63fea9@sweeper> <000201c4afcd$d840d320$300d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:51:32 +1000, you wrote: >Ok, I apologise to the list for following this thread. >I did not realise I was upsetting members to the extent I have. >I will bear this in mind when commenting on future topics. >Reg & Marg Ingold. I don't think any apologies are needed, Reg, there are many strongly-held views that get aired on both Lists, and they are none the worse for it. Better in my view to have a strongly-held belief that is discussed openly than not to say anything at all. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 11 13:16:58 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:16:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <4.2.0.58.20041011141706.0230b008@mail.keyconn.net> Message-ID: <006c01c4afcf$436378a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> They have cranes that can pick it up in one piece and set it on a rail car , then set it on the customized low boy of your choice , it got up there didnt it ? This was a really big one like a 25 or 50 wasnt it ? From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Oct 11 13:42:56 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:42:56 +0100 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update Message-ID: <20041011.214257.146.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Yes indeed WOW. This requires lots of pictures and an article for GEM. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:06:16 -0500 "Bill Boyce" writes: > after several letters, several phone calls, and a trip to shreveport, > i;ve finally gotten the best news so far...... heard from a > gentlemen in the KCS corporate office in kansas city this morning,,, > told me the engine was mine, free of any charge, and that the > railroad would remove it for me,,, all i would need to do is bring a > trailer to haul it home,,,,, of course, that still remains to be > seen, but at least its a positive note,,,, first thing i;m gonna do > is call the guy responsible for taking it down and kindly suggest > some ideas for moving it without bending the crankshaft,,,,, also, > i;m going to see if they will let go up on the tower and take some > pictures before its removed,,,,, will update with any additional > news,,, > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Mon Oct 11 14:10:22 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:10:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update Message-ID: <002901c4afd6$b918f820$10690b42@gnarmstrong> Good for you, Bill. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Boyce To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Monday, October 11, 2004 12:24 PM Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update >after several letters, several phone calls, and a trip to shreveport, i;ve finally gotten the best news so far...... heard from a gentlemen in the KCS corporate office in kansas city this morning,,, told me the engine was mine, free of any charge, and that the railroad would remove it for me,,, all i would need to do is bring a trailer to haul it home,,,,, of course, that still remains to be seen, but at least its a positive note,,,, first thing i;m gonna do is call the guy responsible for taking it down and kindly suggest some ideas for moving it without bending the crankshaft,,,,, also, i;m going to see if they will let go up on the tower and take some pictures before its removed,,,,, will update with any additional news,,, >bill boyce >lost prairie, arkansas >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jeffchattin at msn.com Mon Oct 11 14:55:59 2004 From: jeffchattin at msn.com (jeff chattin) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:55:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <4.2.0.58.20041011141706.0230b008@mail.keyconn.net> <006c01c4afcf$436378a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: I MUST OF MISSED IT . WHAT KIND OF ENGINE IS IT ? ----- Original Message ----- From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] bridge engine update They have cranes that can pick it up in one piece and set it on a rail car , then set it on the customized low boy of your choice , it got up there didnt it ? This was a really big one like a 25 or 50 wasnt it ? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From adamcottrill at telstra.com Mon Oct 11 15:50:56 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:50:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA Message-ID: Gents and Ladies, to abtain NHMA insurance the following must occur... 1. You must be a member of an affiliated club (there are close to 150 of them I believe) 2. You must be an exhibitor to enter a compound and of course hold an insurance card from your Club I admit in some minor respects this system is open for abuse in regards to what one of you guys mentioned walking into a compound and sticking your head in a flywheel, however the above mentioned steps are in place to reduce abuse as you where able to previously buy insurance direct as an individual. The NHMA covers personal accident as well as public liability, transit and voluntry workers. One of your guys mentioned the key word "due care" or "duty of care" this is the keystone to everything the NHMA policy represents, no one is suggesting for a minute that fences and everything else in the safty guidelines 100% stop someone from getting hurt! IF anyone does their dreamin!! However we are reducing the risk or liklyhood of that happening and by doing that the cost of the policy is reduced which is favourable for everyone. The end result in my opinion is peice of mind and evolution of the hobby in todays social environment..... Ask some common Joe today what hay press is 9 times out of 10 they wont know! 15years ago I would guess it would be more like 6 or 7 out of 10 would know. And even today you would be surpised at how many people dont know how to change a tyre on a car or open the bonnet!!!! The common person doesnt know what hay presses are which bits of engines are hot or can give you an electric shock and to that end we are trying to protect them from social ignorance of our fantastic hobby which is all about days gone. Cheers, Adam From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Mon Oct 11 16:00:33 2004 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:30:33 +0930 Subject: [SEL] Oz Liability Insurance Message-ID: <000d01c4afe6$4c551600$bb38fea9@SKitto> I have been following this thread on NHMA and insurance and fences. I think there is a lot of misunderstanding about the whole matter. On the house where I live I am required to have liability insurance. (A$20000000). It is my responsibility to provide a safe situation and thus limit the potential for any claim. ie if I leave a water hose across the pathway too my door and somebody is injured on it, then a claim is made against me, and in turn the Insurance company. Our Church Building, which is classified as a public building is the same. The onus is on the management to ensure that we have a safe place. This is also required under Occupational HEalth and safety. One catch is that if we knowingly allow a situation to exist that has the potential to cause injury, then the liability can pass to the individaul members of that body, in this case all church members. In South Australia, many organisations are incorporated. This takes the liability away from individual members unless they knowingly allow an unsafe, illegal, etc practice to continue. All members then become liable for the loss. Whilst the organisation may have liability insurance, it is possible for the members of the organisation to be sued for the loss. Our requirements are to be as diligent as possible to present as safe asituation as possible. It comes under, as someone has mentioned, Duty of Care, which is part of our common law. I want to comment on the NHMA situation. Our club is affiliated with NHMA and we use their insurance, and we we exhibit as a club, or at a rally which the host club is using NHMA insurance, then we are obliged to follow their guidelines under which the insurance has been offered. This weekend our local town is holding a Coutry Fair. I can take my engines, if I choose and exhibit them on my own. My household liabilty insurance will cover my, I don't have to have a fence, peice of rope or a scratch in the dirt, but I must provide through a duty of care an environment that will minimise the potential risk of injury. And the easiest way to do that is to fence it off. Might as well go to the club sight, and talk with the rest. I'll stop talking now. Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Oct 11 16:31:55 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:31:55 +0800 Subject: [SEL] NHMA..drifting off to oil $ References: Message-ID: <005901c4afea$9d9719b0$8ca226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Exactly Adam............duty of care in this modern days environment!As you say some people do not know anything about the type of exhibits we show. They are very interested but they do need some kind of protection even though it may be a FENCE. Obviously the aficionado will be ok but they don't wear signs on their hats telling all that they are fully aware of the potential hazards. Unfortunately litigation is at the stage now where lawyers advertise that they can get the money for you . Where did this all start.................? Anyway I am going to the shed now to contemplate the rising cost of oil ....................that's another story! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:50 AM Subject: [SEL] NHMA > > Gents and Ladies, > to abtain NHMA insurance the following must occur... > > 1. You must be a member of an affiliated club (there are close to 150 of them I believe) > > 2. You must be an exhibitor to enter a compound and of course hold an insurance card from your Club > > > I admit in some minor respects this system is open for abuse in regards to what one of you guys mentioned walking into a compound and sticking your head in a flywheel, however the above mentioned steps are in place to reduce abuse as you where able to previously buy insurance direct as an individual. > > The NHMA covers personal accident as well as public liability, transit and voluntry workers. > > One of your guys mentioned the key word "due care" or "duty of care" this is the keystone to everything the NHMA policy represents, no one is suggesting for a minute that fences and everything else in the safty guidelines 100% stop someone from getting hurt! IF anyone does their dreamin!! > > However we are reducing the risk or liklyhood of that happening and by doing that the cost of the policy is reduced which is favourable for everyone. > > The end result in my opinion is peice of mind and evolution of the hobby in todays social environment..... Ask some common Joe today what hay press is 9 times out of 10 they wont know! 15years ago I would guess it would be more like 6 or 7 out of 10 would know. And even today you would be surpised at how many people dont know how to change a tyre on a car or open the bonnet!!!! > > The common person doesnt know what hay presses are which bits of engines are hot or can give you an electric shock and to that end we are trying to protect them from social ignorance of our fantastic hobby which is all about days gone. > > Cheers, > Adam > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From BetCleve321 at aol.com Mon Oct 11 16:55:36 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:55:36 EDT Subject: [SEL] NHMA..drifting off to oil $ Message-ID: <194.2f81f783.2e9c7778@aol.com> In a message dated 10/11/2004 7:50:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, jopeter at omninet.net.au writes: Unfortunately litigation is at the stage now where lawyers advertise that they can get the money for you . Where did this all start.................? When people started insuring themselves. The more insurance you get, the better legal representation you can get. Of course, now you will be worth suing. It's the cash, baby. Skip From sleis at mwt.net Mon Oct 11 19:04:08 2004 From: sleis at mwt.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:04:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <200410111813.i9BIDAkr091229@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <004c01c4afff$c327c020$1b55becf@computer> I'd Buy a video too :-) Stacy From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 11 17:02:14 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:02:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <003f01c4afb4$9f48a9d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <016201c4afee$c3872df0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Hey Bill if this works out for you please get in touch with me and let me know your modus operande so I can apply it to the bridge engine I have located about six miles from me. I will not do anything until you have your deal finalized so as not to jeopardize anything you are doing. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Boyce" To: Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 12:06 PM Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update after several letters, several phone calls, and a trip to shreveport, i;ve finally gotten the best news so far...... heard from a gentlemen in the KCS corporate office in kansas city this morning,,, told me the engine was mine, free of any charge, and that the railroad would remove it for me,,, all i would need to do is bring a trailer to haul it home,,,,, of course, that still remains to be seen, but at least its a positive note,,,, first thing i;m gonna do is call the guy responsible for taking it down and kindly suggest some ideas for moving it without bending the crankshaft,,,,, also, i;m going to see if they will let go up on the tower and take some pictures before its removed,,,,, will update with any additional news,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Carrowor at comcast.net Mon Oct 11 17:13:44 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:13:44 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Pump???? Message-ID: <416B21B8.000003.02108@NOTEBOOK> Awhile back I was conversing with somebody out here who was looking for a pump. Please re-contact me about this. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Oct 11 17:33:40 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:33:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] NHMA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011202323.01fe8508@mail.alltel.net> At 06:50 PM 10/11/2004, you wrote: >Gents and Ladies, >I admit in some minor respects this system is open for abuse Cheers, > Adam Hi Adam, Of all the bull shit posted to the list on NHMA, yours is the BEST! Your latest justification for the fences had me ROTFLMFAO! Please keep posting the latest MHMA bull shit on insurance and fences--we all need a laugh from time to time! Dave PS, Three drag saws and an IHC cut off saw were running at the Cotton Ginning Show this weekend. No fences and ONLY three arms and one leg cut off. No big deal--actually it cleans out the gene pool a bit! PPS, Pictures of the carnage will be posted soon! From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Oct 11 17:40:23 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:40:23 EDT Subject: [SEL] JD Grain Elevator Message-ID: <78.6316a1bc.2e9c81f7@aol.com> In a message dated 10/10/2004 8:56:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: << The owner has assurred us that it is not for sale, >> Rick, Beautiful! Keep checking back once a year, and maybe put some oil on parts if they will let you and they will see your continued interest. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Oct 11 17:43:45 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:43:45 EDT Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update Message-ID: In a message dated 10/11/2004 1:27:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bboyce at swat.coop writes: << told me the engine was mine, free of any charge, and that the railroad would remove it for me >> Bill, GRRREAT!!!!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From clemsweller at earthlink.net Mon Oct 11 17:59:33 2004 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:59:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] nhma In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000d01c4aff6$c4b18380$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Here in the United States of America, we call it Freedom of Speech! Stay with it Reg. Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter A Forbes Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 3:09 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:51:32 +1000, you wrote: >Ok, I apologise to the list for following this thread. >I did not realise I was upsetting members to the extent I have. >I will bear this in mind when commenting on future topics. >Reg & Marg Ingold. I don't think any apologies are needed, Reg, there are many strongly-held views that get aired on both Lists, and they are none the worse for it. Better in my view to have a strongly-held belief that is discussed openly than not to say anything at all. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Oct 11 18:13:13 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:13:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing In-Reply-To: <003201c4afb7$062e7380$690a0a0a@BILLPC> Message-ID: <200410120113.i9C1DHkr069760@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > The Pulmore I have is liquid form comes in a can with a > little red spout to > dribble it onto the belt. Kind of a real thin tar, wonder if > one could mix > up some roofing tar with kerosene to about that consistency. Y'know... somewhere in one of my old books was a recipe for belt dressing. It contained tallow, fish oil and some other kind of oil, but the key ingredient was rosin. I've got no clue where to find rosin. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From clemsweller at earthlink.net Mon Oct 11 18:17:25 2004 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:17:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c4aff9$45525e40$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> I'm just curious though, how much is the fencing gonna cost all the way up to that bridge? Gotta keep the NMHA happy you know! Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:44 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] bridge engine update In a message dated 10/11/2004 1:27:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bboyce at swat.coop writes: << told me the engine was mine, free of any charge, and that the railroad would remove it for me >> Bill, GRRREAT!!!!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Oct 11 18:25:10 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:25:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing In-Reply-To: <200410120113.i9C1DHkr069760@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> References: <003201c4afb7$062e7380$690a0a0a@BILLPC> <200410120113.i9C1DHkr069760@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011212309.01fd9ec0@mail.alltel.net> > I've got no clue where to find rosin. >Rob Skinner I still have Rosin's phone number. Shall I send it to you off List? Will Kelley object if I do so? Dave From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon Oct 11 19:37:04 2004 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:37:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <200410120113.i9C1DHkr069760@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <002501c4b004$5c7a4050$57bb2304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Go rub your hands on a pine tree. Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 6:13 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Belt Dressing > > > The Pulmore I have is liquid form comes in a can with a > > little red spout to > > dribble it onto the belt. Kind of a real thin tar, wonder if > > one could mix > > up some roofing tar with kerosene to about that consistency. > > > Y'know... somewhere in one of my old books was a recipe for belt dressing. It > contained tallow, fish oil and some other kind of oil, but the key ingredient > was rosin. I've got no clue where to find rosin. > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com Mon Oct 11 20:07:26 2004 From: BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com (barry gorman) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:07:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <000d01c4aff6$c4b18380$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <014201c4b008$a0550590$65218b90@userw32g91tqfi> Chuck , here in our country we believe in freedom , free speech and , FTW. WE ARE AUSTRALIANS . Barry G. The Glorious Hunter Valley AUSTRALIA BarryandPamGorman at bigpond,com ----- Original Message ----- From: "chuck emsweller" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:59 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] nhma > Here in the United States of America, we call it Freedom of Speech! > Stay with it Reg. > > Chuck Emsweller > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter A > Forbes > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 3:09 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:51:32 +1000, you wrote: > > >Ok, I apologise to the list for following this thread. > >I did not realise I was upsetting members to the extent I have. > >I will bear this in mind when commenting on future topics. > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > > I don't think any apologies are needed, Reg, there are many > strongly-held views > that get aired on both Lists, and they are none the worse for it. > > Better in my view to have a strongly-held belief that is discussed > openly than > not to say anything at all. > > Peter > > -- > Peter & Rita Forbes > Email Address: > diesel at easynet.co.uk > Web Pages for Engine Preservation: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From clemsweller at earthlink.net Mon Oct 11 20:33:48 2004 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:33:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] nhma In-Reply-To: <014201c4b008$a0550590$65218b90@userw32g91tqfi> Message-ID: <000201c4b00c$552e99b0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Yes, I understand you are Australians. Does that mean you do not believe in freedom of speech? Is that why you continually harass Reg and others in your country that speak out on what they believe? Chuck -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of barry gorman Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:07 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma Chuck , here in our country we believe in freedom , free speech and , FTW. WE ARE AUSTRALIANS . Barry G. The Glorious Hunter Valley AUSTRALIA BarryandPamGorman at bigpond,com ----- Original Message ----- From: "chuck emsweller" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:59 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] nhma > Here in the United States of America, we call it Freedom of Speech! > Stay with it Reg. > > Chuck Emsweller > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter A > Forbes > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 3:09 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:51:32 +1000, you wrote: > > >Ok, I apologise to the list for following this thread. > >I did not realise I was upsetting members to the extent I have. > >I will bear this in mind when commenting on future topics. > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > > I don't think any apologies are needed, Reg, there are many > strongly-held views > that get aired on both Lists, and they are none the worse for it. > > Better in my view to have a strongly-held belief that is discussed > openly than > not to say anything at all. > > Peter > > -- > Peter & Rita Forbes > Email Address: > diesel at easynet.co.uk > Web Pages for Engine Preservation: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Oct 11 20:38:04 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:38:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] nhma - speak for what you believe or lose that right too In-Reply-To: <00cd01c4af29$c3b38aa0$0100a8c0@Portable> Message-ID: <003f01c4b00c$e3cdfbc0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> I suspect Reg believes that the only way to get things changed if one believes they need to be changed, is to speak out. For if no one speaks for what they believe, there won't be much left to enjoy as those who follow will gladly do so, no matter where it leads. Those who speak out help to found nations - and keep them free and safe. And more locally, they help to keep the hobby alive and fun. Fences drives everyone down the the lowest common denominator - speaking against them helps to overcome the reasons for them and keep things free and fun. Once saw a movie - it was chilling - it was a political statement of course - in this movie, the government, instead of bringing those up who are down, instead of helping those with handicaps to do better and _FOR THEMSELVES_, the government insisted that everyone be brought down to meet the less fortunate, to themselves have to live with and experience handicaps. To leave your home, you had to "put on your handicap" - weighted vests and belts and other devices to take you down a level, to make it very difficult to stand and walk, impossible to run - and no one spoke up about it......... Here ya go Rob - where is THIS from? [First Man:] I think, I think I am, therefore I am, I think. [Establishment:] Of course you are my bright little star, I've miles And miles Of files Pretty files of your forefather's fruit and now to suit our great computer, You're magnetic ink. [First Man:] I'm more than that, I know I am, at least, I think I must be. [Inner Man:] There you go man, keep as cool as you can. Face piles And piles Of trials With smiles. It riles them to believe that you perceive the web they weave And keep on thinking free. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 7:32 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma Well spoke!! Ray Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > There must be some thing in the water! Let me explain to you Reg > ,despite your extraordinary powers as to be able to know what goes on > at our show, from the other side of the country ,ie your statement of > NONE. We had the normal number of requests for membership forms ,kids > and dads were showing the normal interest, the fence did not inhibit > them. The very simple fact is that rules are rules and i say again > that if you want to participate in this hobby and exhibit your engines > or whatever in this country then ''Duty of Care '' is required. The > NHMA do a job that not many of us care to take on and they dont > deserve the knocking. Cringe mentality.....................no just > wanting to enjoy the hobby. what they > do in the US and the UK has nothing to do with they way things are run > here. > There are many ,many people working to the rules and enjoying the > hobby..........Horses for Courses Reg, why keep bitching ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:16 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > >> Peter, How many children and other interested people had the chance >> to examine the exhibits? NONE! How many potential new hobby members >> missed out? LOTS! You just dont get it, do you? >> I am NOT against insurance or fences. >> I AM against the 'Cringe' mentality that has taken over this hobby. >> Oh, it aint worth the bother!! Goodby. >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "peter ogborne" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma >> >> >> > Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about > it....your >> > eternal >> > bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal >> > Show surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or >> > vandalism. I came >> away >> > after having a great week as did my fellow club members. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bboyce at swat.coop Mon Oct 11 20:46:25 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:46:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <4.2.0.58.20041011141706.0230b008@mail.keyconn.net><006c01c4afcf$436378a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <005701c4b00e$0c64cd60$6401a8c0@BillyBob> I MUST OF MISSED IT . WHAT KIND OF ENGINE IS IT ? ----- Original Message ----- still not sure just what it is,, 100 yards is as close as i;ve been able to get to it, and cant get a good enuf view thru a spotting scope to identify it,,,however, i've been told that the rail way companies were famous for using fairbanks morse model n's for this purpose, and i;ve seen an n that came from a bridge in eastern arkansas, so i;m hopeful that's what it is,,,,, and i;m guessing from the size that its in the 20 hp range,,, will keep yall updated with any new developments,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Oct 11 20:47:49 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:47:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <000201c4b00c$552e99b0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <000d01c4b00e$3eaccfc0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Chuck We believe in freedom of speech very strongly in OZ. And we can harass Reg just as he harasses the NHMA. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "chuck emsweller" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:33 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] nhma > Yes, I understand you are Australians. Does that mean you do not > believe in freedom of speech? Is that why you continually harass Reg > and others in your country that speak out on what they believe? > > Chuck > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of barry > gorman > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:07 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > Chuck , > here in our country we believe in freedom , > free speech and , > > FTW. WE ARE AUSTRALIANS . > > > > Barry G. > The Glorious Hunter Valley > AUSTRALIA > BarryandPamGorman at bigpond,com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chuck emsweller" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:59 AM > Subject: RE: [SEL] nhma > > > > Here in the United States of America, we call it Freedom of Speech! > > Stay with it Reg. > > > > Chuck Emsweller > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter A > > Forbes > > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 3:09 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:51:32 +1000, you wrote: > > > > >Ok, I apologise to the list for following this thread. > > >I did not realise I was upsetting members to the extent I have. > > >I will bear this in mind when commenting on future topics. > > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > > > > I don't think any apologies are needed, Reg, there are many > > strongly-held views > > that get aired on both Lists, and they are none the worse for it. > > > > Better in my view to have a strongly-held belief that is discussed > > openly than > > not to say anything at all. > > > > Peter > > > > -- > > Peter & Rita Forbes > > Email Address: > > diesel at easynet.co.uk > > Web Pages for Engine Preservation: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bboyce at swat.coop Mon Oct 11 21:04:08 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:04:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update < Paul > References: <003f01c4afb4$9f48a9d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> <016201c4afee$c3872df0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <000701c4b010$866de1d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Hey Bill if this works out for you please get in touch with me and let me > know your modus operande so I can apply it to the bridge engine I have > located about six miles from me. I will not do anything until you have your > deal finalized so as not to jeopardize anything you are doing. > > Paul Paul,,,,will be glad to help in any way,, according to one of the guys i;ve talked with, the letter i sent to the CEO of KCS was the winning ticket,,,, i mentioned the history of the particular bridge the engine is located on, < i did a little research in on it, and found that its the oldest railroad bridge in louisana >, and what a shame it would be to let such a piece of railway history just rust away,,,,,, mentioned seeing a restored bridge engine on display at a show, and how the "old railroad men" were gathered round it swapping stories,,,explained what an "engine show" was,,,,, told him i would be happy to give KCS recognition in the documentation that would be displayed along with the engine,,,, yada yada yada,,, will be glad to send you copies of the letters i sent,,, bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] bridge engine update > From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Oct 11 21:27:07 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:27:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <003f01c4afb4$9f48a9d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <004d01c4b013$bc8de6e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Great news Bill. Try to film it and sell the video or DVD to help with expenses on your end. What a great video that would be, and as you have seen, there are several that would purchase it, including me. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Boyce" To: Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:06 AM Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update after several letters, several phone calls, and a trip to shreveport, i;ve finally gotten the best news so far...... heard from a gentlemen in the KCS corporate office in kansas city this morning,,, told me the engine was mine, free of any charge, and that the railroad would remove it for me,,, all i would need to do is bring a trailer to haul it home,,,,, of course, that still remains to be seen, but at least its a positive note,,,, first thing i;m gonna do is call the guy responsible for taking it down and kindly suggest some ideas for moving it without bending the crankshaft,,,,, also, i;m going to see if they will let go up on the tower and take some pictures before its removed,,,,, will update with any additional news,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Oct 11 21:51:42 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:51:42 +0800 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011202323.01fe8508@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <004601c4b017$2ed9d260$99a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Interesting.........some get very hot under the collar about this subject and it seems that those of us who are literally steaming about this are those from the US.I recall that this started as an Australian issue and don't come on with all the bullshit about freedom of speech. It would seem to me that the majority of us here in Australia are quite happy to conform and that doesn't mean to be submissive. We just seem to think it is a good arrangement, it does not affect those in the US or the UK or anywhere else for that matter...........so we will just go on enjoying the hobby and leave the stress to the others . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA > At 06:50 PM 10/11/2004, you wrote: > > >Gents and Ladies, > >I admit in some minor respects this system is open for abuse Cheers, > > Adam > > Hi Adam, > Of all the bull shit posted to the list on NHMA, yours is the > BEST! Your latest justification for the fences had me ROTFLMFAO! Please > keep posting the latest MHMA bull shit on insurance and fences--we all need > a laugh from time to time! > Dave > PS, Three drag saws and an IHC cut off saw were running at the Cotton > Ginning Show this weekend. No fences and ONLY three arms and one leg cut > off. No big deal--actually it cleans out the gene pool a bit! > PPS, Pictures of the carnage will be posted soon! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bboyce at swat.coop Mon Oct 11 22:11:37 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:11:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <003f01c4afb4$9f48a9d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> <004d01c4b013$bc8de6e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <000701c4b019$f3a033d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> jeff,,, never even thought of making a video of it, much less of selling it,,, guess its a thought, though,,,, havent had the camcorder out in years,, i bet the battery is bad by now,,,,i just hope the railroad people will let me know when they're going to move it, its 75 miles from here,,, and they are so hard to reach by phone,,, i tried all day to talk to the guys where the engine is, but never got anyone or received a return call,, they're an independent bunch, it seems,,,, bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] bridge engine update > Great news Bill. Try to film it and sell the video or DVD to help with > expenses on your end. What a great video that would be, and as you have > seen, there are several that would purchase it, including me. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Boyce" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:06 AM > Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update > > > after several letters, several phone calls, and a trip to shreveport, i;ve > finally gotten the best news so far...... heard from a gentlemen in the KCS > corporate office in kansas city this morning,,, told me the engine was mine, > free of any charge, and that the railroad would remove it for me,,, all i > would need to do is bring a trailer to haul it home,,,,, of course, that > still remains to be seen, but at least its a positive note,,,, first thing > i;m gonna do is call the guy responsible for taking it down and kindly > suggest some ideas for moving it without bending the crankshaft,,,,, also, > i;m going to see if they will let go up on the tower and take some pictures > before its removed,,,,, will update with any additional news,,, > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Oct 11 23:18:07 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:18:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma - speak for what you believe or lose that right too References: <003f01c4b00c$e3cdfbc0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <001101c4b023$3dfad850$8a63fea9@sweeper> Hi Bill Reg knows as well as us that if he wants to have things changed all he needs to do is get elected to the NHMA Committee and bring his ideas forward. I am sure the rest of the Association (us) would be keen for this and he could then get the Insurance company to change their requirements and also the local Councils and State governments to change their relevant legislation. I hope he does. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:38 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] nhma - speak for what you believe or lose that right too > I suspect Reg believes that the only way to get things changed if one > believes they need to be changed, is to speak out. > For if no one speaks for what they believe, there won't be much left to > enjoy as those who follow will gladly do so, no matter where it leads. > > Those who speak out help to found nations - and keep them free and safe. > And more locally, they help to keep the hobby alive and fun. > > Fences drives everyone down the the lowest common denominator - speaking > against them helps to overcome the reasons for them and keep things free and > fun. > > Once saw a movie - it was chilling - it was a political statement of course > - in this movie, the government, instead of bringing those up who are down, > instead of helping those with handicaps to do better and _FOR THEMSELVES_, > the government insisted that everyone be brought down to meet the less > fortunate, to themselves have to live with and experience handicaps. To > leave your home, you had to "put on your handicap" - weighted vests and > belts and other devices to take you down a level, to make it very difficult > to stand and walk, impossible to run - and no one spoke up about it......... > > > Here ya go Rob - where is THIS from? > > [First Man:] I think, I think I am, therefore I am, I think. > > [Establishment:] Of course you are my bright little star, > I've miles > And miles > Of files > Pretty files of your forefather's fruit > and now to suit our > great computer, > You're magnetic ink. > > [First Man:] I'm more than that, I know I am, at least, I think I must be. > > [Inner Man:] There you go man, keep as cool as you can. > Face piles > And piles > Of trials > With smiles. > It riles them to believe > that you perceive > the web they weave > And keep on thinking free. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ray Freeman > Portable Line Boring > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 7:32 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > Well spoke!! > > Ray > Portable Line Boring > http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > plb at plb.iinet.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:28 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > There must be some thing in the water! Let me explain to you Reg > > ,despite your extraordinary powers as to be able to know what goes on > > at our show, from the other side of the country ,ie your statement of > > NONE. We had the normal number of requests for membership forms ,kids > > and dads were showing the normal interest, the fence did not inhibit > > them. The very simple fact is that rules are rules and i say again > > that if you want to participate in this hobby and exhibit your engines > > or whatever in this country then ''Duty of Care '' is required. The > > NHMA do a job that not many of us care to take on and they dont > > deserve the knocking. Cringe mentality.....................no just > > wanting to enjoy the hobby. what they > > do in the US and the UK has nothing to do with they way things are run > > here. > > There are many ,many people working to the rules and enjoying the > > hobby..........Horses for Courses Reg, why keep bitching ? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:16 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > > >> Peter, How many children and other interested people had the chance > >> to examine the exhibits? NONE! How many potential new hobby members > >> missed out? LOTS! You just dont get it, do you? > >> I am NOT against insurance or fences. > >> I AM against the 'Cringe' mentality that has taken over this hobby. > >> Oh, it aint worth the bother!! Goodby. > >> Reg & Marg Ingold. > >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "peter ogborne" > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > >> > >> > >> > Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about > > it....your > >> > eternal > >> > bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal > >> > Show surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or > >> > vandalism. I came > >> away > >> > after having a great week as did my fellow club members. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Oct 11 23:18:48 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:18:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011202323.01fe8508@mail.alltel.net> <004601c4b017$2ed9d260$99a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <001b01c4b023$565c9af0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Thanks Pete. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA > Interesting.........some get very hot under the collar about this subject > and it seems that those of us who are literally steaming about this are > those from the US.I recall that this started as an Australian issue and > don't come on with all the bullshit about freedom of speech. It would seem > to me that the majority of us here in Australia are quite happy to conform > and that doesn't mean to be submissive. We just seem to think it is a good > arrangement, it does not affect those in the US or the UK or anywhere else > for that matter...........so we will just go on enjoying the hobby and leave > the stress to the others . > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:33 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA > > > > At 06:50 PM 10/11/2004, you wrote: > > > > >Gents and Ladies, > > >I admit in some minor respects this system is open for abuse Cheers, > > > Adam > > > > Hi Adam, > > Of all the bull shit posted to the list on NHMA, yours is the > > BEST! Your latest justification for the fences had me ROTFLMFAO! Please > > keep posting the latest MHMA bull shit on insurance and fences--we all > need > > a laugh from time to time! > > Dave > > PS, Three drag saws and an IHC cut off saw were running at the Cotton > > Ginning Show this weekend. No fences and ONLY three arms and one leg cut > > off. No big deal--actually it cleans out the gene pool a bit! > > PPS, Pictures of the carnage will be posted soon! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com Tue Oct 12 00:25:53 2004 From: BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com (barry gorman) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:25:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <000201c4b00c$552e99b0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <016a01c4b02c$bc068510$65218b90@userw32g91tqfi> Chuck ,apparently you did not read the words that I have written , But reading into what I said , your own interpretation In my mail nobody was harassed I simply made a statement of fact , Regards Barry G. The Glorious Hunter Valley AUSTRALIA BarryandPamGorman at bigpond,com ----- Original Message ----- From: "chuck emsweller" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:33 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] nhma > Yes, I understand you are Australians. Does that mean you do not > believe in freedom of speech? Is that why you continually harass Reg > and others in your country that speak out on what they believe? > > Chuck > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of barry > gorman > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:07 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > Chuck , > here in our country we believe in freedom , > free speech and , > > FTW. WE ARE AUSTRALIANS . > > > > Barry G. > The Glorious Hunter Valley > AUSTRALIA > BarryandPamGorman at bigpond,com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chuck emsweller" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:59 AM > Subject: RE: [SEL] nhma > > > > Here in the United States of America, we call it Freedom of Speech! > > Stay with it Reg. > > > > Chuck Emsweller > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter A > > Forbes > > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 3:09 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:51:32 +1000, you wrote: > > > > >Ok, I apologise to the list for following this thread. > > >I did not realise I was upsetting members to the extent I have. > > >I will bear this in mind when commenting on future topics. > > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > > > > I don't think any apologies are needed, Reg, there are many > > strongly-held views > > that get aired on both Lists, and they are none the worse for it. > > > > Better in my view to have a strongly-held belief that is discussed > > openly than > > not to say anything at all. > > > > Peter > > > > -- > > Peter & Rita Forbes > > Email Address: > > diesel at easynet.co.uk > > Web Pages for Engine Preservation: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Oct 12 02:29:30 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:29:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <000201c4b00c$552e99b0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> <016a01c4b02c$bc068510$65218b90@userw32g91tqfi> Message-ID: <000601c4b03d$fa5f26d0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Barry I was going to use such as "statement of fact" myself and also "emotive". Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "barry gorman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > Chuck ,apparently you did not read the words > that I have written , > But reading into what I said , your own interpretation > In my mail nobody was harassed I simply made a statement of fact , > Regards > Barry G. > The Glorious Hunter Valley > AUSTRALIA > BarryandPamGorman at bigpond,com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chuck emsweller" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:33 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] nhma > > > > Yes, I understand you are Australians. Does that mean you do not > > believe in freedom of speech? Is that why you continually harass Reg > > and others in your country that speak out on what they believe? > > > > Chuck > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of barry > > gorman > > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:07 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > Chuck , > > here in our country we believe in freedom , > > free speech and , > > > > FTW. WE ARE AUSTRALIANS . > > > > > > > > Barry G. > > The Glorious Hunter Valley > > AUSTRALIA > > BarryandPamGorman at bigpond,com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "chuck emsweller" > > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:59 AM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] nhma > > > > > > > Here in the United States of America, we call it Freedom of Speech! > > > Stay with it Reg. > > > > > > Chuck Emsweller > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter A > > > Forbes > > > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 3:09 PM > > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > > > > > > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:51:32 +1000, you wrote: > > > > > > >Ok, I apologise to the list for following this thread. > > > >I did not realise I was upsetting members to the extent I have. > > > >I will bear this in mind when commenting on future topics. > > > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > > > > > > I don't think any apologies are needed, Reg, there are many > > > strongly-held views > > > that get aired on both Lists, and they are none the worse for it. > > > > > > Better in my view to have a strongly-held belief that is discussed > > > openly than > > > not to say anything at all. > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > -- > > > Peter & Rita Forbes > > > Email Address: > > > diesel at easynet.co.uk > > > Web Pages for Engine Preservation: > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Oct 12 04:10:22 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:10:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <000201c4b00c$552e99b0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> <016a01c4b02c$bc068510$65218b90@userw32g91tqfi> <000601c4b03d$fa5f26d0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: <416BBB9E.FFDB89B9@insulate.co.uk> I realise this subject is getting a little heated, but PLEASE could you all try to remember polite netiquette? One of these mails had SEVEN list sig lines. For those who want to get into a discussion about freedom of speech, a more appropriate place is the Slick Willie Mailing List. To subscribe, send an email to slick-request at toltbbs.com with only subscribe in the body or subject of the message. Also, I believe it is relevent for those of us from the UK and US to discuss what is happening is Oz, as it is a direction other insurance companies and national clubs may try to follow - forewarned is forearmed! If we can't discuss what is happening around the world and even at other clubs, it makes this list a little pointless. Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From galoway4 at earthlink.net Tue Oct 12 04:36:16 2004 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 06:36:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <200410120113.i9C1DHkr069760@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <001501c4b04f$b1b0de80$86d65a42@jake> Pine Tree ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 8:13 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Belt Dressing > > > The Pulmore I have is liquid form comes in a can with a > > little red spout to > > dribble it onto the belt. Kind of a real thin tar, wonder if > > one could mix > > up some roofing tar with kerosene to about that consistency. > > > Y'know... somewhere in one of my old books was a recipe for belt dressing. It > contained tallow, fish oil and some other kind of oil, but the key ingredient > was rosin. I've got no clue where to find rosin. > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Tue Oct 12 06:00:53 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:00:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] NHMA In-Reply-To: <004601c4b017$2ed9d260$99a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011202323.01fe8508@mail.alltel.net> <004601c4b017$2ed9d260$99a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <416BD585.5030806@imc-group.com> peter ogborne wrote: It would seem to me that the majority of us here in Australia are quite happy to conform and that doesn't mean to be submissive. Ah the sheep continue to be shorn..... I have been following this thread with great interest most due to the fact that Missy and I will have the opportunity to experience the fences first hand in a few months. At the same time I have been very leery of commenting on any of this because soon I will be a guest of your country and do not want to alienate any Australians before ever setting foot there. So I will limit my comments to simply observatory and will attempt to not pass judgment on them....yet. One item that was a real eye opener was the tremendous homeowner liability insurance requirement one mentioned. I think I counted the zeros right and that was 20 million of personal liability insurance required for the homeowner!!! I'd venture to say most American's homeowner liability insurance never exceeds the 1 million mark. And guess what, liability insurance is NOT a requirement for the homeowner here. The fact that Australia requires it is the very definition of a monopoly. Here in the states you carry liability insurance to protect your personal assets against lawsuit. There is little sense in insuring yourself for much more than the value of your personal assets. If you feel you do not want the protection of homeowner liability insurance you don't have to carry it. The fact that your monopolistic insurance carriers have lobbied your legislators requiring you carry these huge liability policies, provides the very fuel for the litigation lawyers to feed on. If everyone in Australia dropped their excessive insurance the litigation lawyers would instantly be put out of business. The view from this side of the pond is that your insurance companies are on the take with the lawyers. The whole mess is a civilized coercion of much money from 19 million people to the lucrative benefit of a few lawyers. Much of the same can be said for the US too. But the sole difference being that purchasing insurance is a freedom, not a definitive requirement of the government. Many individuals and companies opt to self insure, believing that they conduct themselves with enough care & responsibility and that they can save money by funding their own litigation fund/savings account, that they don't need to purchase expensive 3rd party insurance. Essentially you are submitting to a "liabilty tax" to provide the sole income of both the insurance and legal businesses in your country. The shearing of the sheep continues..... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Oct 12 06:12:27 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:12:27 +0800 Subject: [SEL] nhma References: <000201c4b00c$552e99b0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><016a01c4b02c$bc068510$65218b90@userw32g91tqfi><000601c4b03d$fa5f26d0$8a63fea9@sweeper> <416BBB9E.FFDB89B9@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <004e01c4b05d$22af08c0$44a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Yes Dolly we are trying to discuss it but some seem to think that what you do in the UK and the US is the only way and that is fine , I do not wish to criticise,Iwish you well. I dont think we have made any derogatory remarks about your respective organisations and the way you do things. Make constructive criticism re our ways.Do not resort to the childlike rantings[ not directed at you personally] That is the way we are operating so lets leave it at that .Those in this country that do not agree can either like it or lump ,it is their choice. Some of the comments re our ways were quite patronising. Remember that this thread was started by someone who invited discussion on the above subject and who really got the ball rolling by criticism of the NHMA, the body that is running our shows to the satisfaction of the majority of our members. Some of the off list comments i have received are unbelievable!!.........from what i assume are grown men, still i have broad shoulders . It would seem that the point of disagreement and that ,that irks you most is in the definition of a fence......so you think a single rope or wire is ok . We go for something a bit more ''fence Like''. That's about it !!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma > I realise this subject is getting a little heated, but PLEASE could you all > try to remember polite netiquette? One of these mails had SEVEN list sig > lines. > > For those who want to get into a discussion about freedom of speech, a more > appropriate place is the Slick Willie Mailing List. To subscribe, send an > email to slick-request at toltbbs.com with only subscribe in the body or subject > of the message. > > Also, I believe it is relevant for those of us from the UK and US to discuss > what is happening is Oz, as it is a direction other insurance companies and > national clubs may try to follow - forewarned is forearmed! If we can't > discuss what is happening around the world and even at other clubs, it makes > this list a little pointless. > > Dolly > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Oct 12 06:25:24 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:25:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011202323.01fe8508@mail.alltel.net><004601c4b017$2ed9d260$99a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <416BD585.5030806@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <008201c4b05e$eeb65e40$db4b1fd3@km> G'Day Curt You don't have to have insurance in OZ either, not saying that in some housing estates it may be a requirement by whoever, but I know of no forced requirement (in NSW anyway) just another example of confusing statements being made to support their urguments. I will be told if I am wrong but the only required insurance of any type I can think of at the moment is 3rd party insurance to register a vehicle. The $20mil seems the normal limit if you take liability insurance, the legal system has a lot to answer for, lawers and judges have stuffed the place. Kerry ----- Original Message ----- > I have been following this thread with great interest most due to the > fact that Missy and I will have the opportunity to experience the fences > first hand in a few months. At the same time I have been very leery of > commenting on any of this because soon I will be a guest of your country > and do not want to alienate any Australians before ever setting foot > there. So I will limit my comments to simply observatory and will > attempt to not pass judgment on them....yet. > > One item that was a real eye opener was the tremendous homeowner > liability insurance requirement one mentioned. I think I counted the > zeros right and that was 20 million of personal liability insurance > required for the homeowner!!! I'd venture to say most American's > homeowner liability insurance never exceeds the 1 million mark. And > guess what, liability insurance is NOT a requirement for the homeowner > here. The fact that Australia requires it is the very definition of a > monopoly. Here in the states you carry liability insurance to protect > your personal assets against lawsuit. There is little sense in insuring > yourself for much more than the value of your personal assets. If you > feel you do not want the protection of homeowner liability insurance you > don't have to carry it. > The fact that your monopolistic insurance carriers have lobbied your > legislators requiring you carry these huge liability policies, provides > the very fuel for the litigation lawyers to feed on. > If everyone in Australia dropped their excessive insurance the > litigation lawyers would instantly be put out of business. The view from > this side of the pond is that your insurance companies are on the take > with the lawyers. The whole mess is a civilized coercion of much money > from 19 million people to the lucrative benefit of a few lawyers. > > Much of the same can be said for the US too. But the sole difference > being that purchasing insurance is a freedom, not a definitive > requirement of the government. Many individuals and companies opt to > self insure, believing that they conduct themselves with enough care & > responsibility and that they can save money by funding their own > litigation fund/savings account, that they don't need to purchase > expensive 3rd party insurance. > > Essentially you are submitting to a "liabilty tax" to provide the sole > income of both the insurance and legal businesses in your country. The > shearing of the sheep continues..... From falcon at telenet.net Tue Oct 12 06:25:40 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:25:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <200410120113.i9C1DHkr069760@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <010901c4b05e$f8c522e0$a91117d1@net.telenet.net> Rosin = Partially cured pine tree sap. Very easy to find at a music store since it is used on bows used with string instruments. Powdered rosin is also found at many sports stores, it helps provide a more stable grip while lifting weights. (rosin bag) Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 9:13 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Belt Dressing > > > The Pulmore I have is liquid form comes in a can with a > > little red spout to > > dribble it onto the belt. Kind of a real thin tar, wonder if > > one could mix > > up some roofing tar with kerosene to about that consistency. > > > Y'know... somewhere in one of my old books was a recipe for belt dressing. It > contained tallow, fish oil and some other kind of oil, but the key ingredient > was rosin. I've got no clue where to find rosin. > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Oct 12 06:40:03 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:40:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011202323.01fe8508@mail.alltel.net><004601c4b017$2ed9d260$99a226ca@ogborneuah38i3><416BD585.5030806@imc-group.com> <008201c4b05e$eeb65e40$db4b1fd3@km> Message-ID: <00b901c4b060$fb9d5e40$db4b1fd3@km> Sent a second time as the first seems to be lost in space? G'Day Adam I tried really hard to stay out of it this time around, but what are you on about > > Gents and Ladies, > to abtain NHMA insurance the following must occur... > > 1. You must be a member of an affiliated club (there are close to 150 of them I believe) > > 2. You must be an exhibitor to enter a compound and of course hold an insurance card from your Club > tell me if I am wrong but you join a club pay your fees and get your insurance, got nothing to do with being a exhibitor, but if you are saying that you cannot enter a compound without being an exhibitor even if you are a club member is totally stupid something that I have never heard of before and would defy logic, but then again a lot of what has been said falls into that group already. The only section of the RULES? I can find is 1.4 ACCESS TO COMPOUND. Only insured operators of engines and machinery and insured club members are to be allowed within the compound while engines and machinery are operating. which is completely different to what you have stated. Several times people on this list have made statements, some totally wrong or at the least confusing, if people like yourself (official of the national) cannot get it right then you must understand why the rest of us dummies are confused. I have no problems with the fences, put denying entry to a compound to a guest under supervision really gets up my noise, then statements like having to be an exhibitor would really piss me and a lot of others off. waiting to be un-confused Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines From curt at imc-group.com Tue Oct 12 07:06:40 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:06:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] NHMA In-Reply-To: <008201c4b05e$eeb65e40$db4b1fd3@km> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011202323.01fe8508@mail.alltel.net><004601c4b017$2ed9d260$99a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <416BD585.5030806@imc-group.com> <008201c4b05e$eeb65e40$db4b1fd3@km> Message-ID: <416BE4F0.8090104@imc-group.com> Kerry, I read Steven Kitto's statement of "On the house where I live I am required to have liability insurance (A$20000000)." as a requirement to have insurance much like the requirement you have to have insurance for public gathering. In the US we are not required to have insurance for public gatherings either. Most show owners/clubs would be nuts to go it without insurance, but nonetheless it is not required. We too have a requirement for automobile liability insurance but nothing approaching the 20 mil mark! The amount of insurance you purchase is again dependent on your personal assets. Many people carry the minimum of around 50,000. Some 300,000 and few even have 1 million dollar policies. It is all a matter of covering your personal assets. There is no sense in being "insurance poor". BTW for those visiting AU next fall/March and will be driving, are we going to be required to purchase Australian insurance for driving, or will our US policies be sufficient? Curt Kerry wrote: >G'Day Curt > >You don't have to have insurance in OZ either, not saying that in some >housing estates it may be a requirement by whoever, but I know of no forced >requirement (in NSW anyway) just another example of confusing statements >being made to support their urguments. >I will be told if I am wrong but the only required insurance of any type I >can think of at the moment is 3rd party insurance to register a vehicle. >The $20mil seems the normal limit if you take liability insurance, the legal >system has a lot to answer for, lawers and judges have stuffed the place. > > > > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Oct 12 08:14:33 2004 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:14:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re:Arden N.C. Show Message-ID: >Hi , For anyone wanting to attend the Arden N.C. show Oct 20-24, here is a >list of motels close by at the intersection of Airport road and I-26. These >are all as close to the showground as you can get(less than a mile) Budget Inn 828 684 2200 Hampton Inn 828 687 0806 Holiday Inn 828 654 8077 Econolodge 828 684 1200 Fairfield Inn 1 800 228 2800 Comfort Inn 828 687 9199 Days Inn 828 684 2281 I hope to see a lot of you there! Steve Royster _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Oct 12 08:39:38 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] nhma In-Reply-To: <004e01c4b05d$22af08c0$44a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000201c4b00c$552e99b0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><016a01c4b02c$bc068510$65218b90@userw32g91tqfi><000601c4b03d$fa5f26d0$8a63fea9@sweeper> <416BBB9E.FFDB89B9@insulate.co.uk> <004e01c4b05d$22af08c0$44a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <4023.165.206.180.118.1097595578.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Peter, I would pose this one thought - >>criticism of the NHMA, the body that is running our shows to the satisfaction of the majority of our members.<< Can you prove that, or is it like over here - unless it REALLY hurts you say little because it's less work that way and you believe nothing will change anyway. Is it not possible that if people were forced to tell the truth, the whole truth, that they do not like it> They simply don't believe that there is a choice, so they say and do nothing? I know - it's possible that they ARE happy with it that way, very possible (however I don't believe probable) I've come to see over the years that most people simply opt to not speak up. It seemed that most members of a local club here were happy too, until some issues were forced, then we found, pleasantly surprised, that people simply weren't speaking up but were resigned to let it ride. Once issues were forced and they saw that change COULD indeed happen, they all chimed in and changes DID happen. Just some thoughts.......... Bill From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Oct 12 08:30:48 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:30:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] NHMA Message-ID: <20041012.114257.984.6.jlb94@juno.com> All this talk about Free Speech - Fences - Insurance - - - Etc. And - - - I got balled out for being off topic because I asked about a 9V flashlight. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 12 09:11:20 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:11:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] nhma - speak for what you believe or lose that right too References: <003f01c4b00c$e3cdfbc0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <00cb01c4b076$1d128900$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > [First Man:] I think, I think I am, therefore I am, I think. > thats some of that really -OLD - hippy stuff . THE OTHER Chuck ! From lsain33 at charter.net Tue Oct 12 13:12:21 2004 From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:12:21 -0700 Subject: OT:Re: [SEL] nhma - speak for what you believe or lose that right too References: <003f01c4b00c$e3cdfbc0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> <00cb01c4b076$1d128900$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <028d01c4b097$c86f1590$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Gee, OTHER CHUCK, I answered the question off list. Guess that puts me in proper perspective, along with Dave and Arnie, whom I thoroughly enjoyed visiting with at Cotton Ginning Days this past Friday. Mighty fine ale, Arnie! Larry in Cat Square, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma - speak for what you believe or lose that right too > > > [First Man:] I think, I think I am, therefore I am, I think. > > > > > thats some of that really -OLD - hippy stuff . > > > THE OTHER Chuck ! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 12 10:27:56 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:27:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <4.2.0.58.20041011141706.0230b008@mail.keyconn.net><006c01c4afcf$436378a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <005701c4b00e$0c64cd60$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <009701c4b080$d0e53040$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> i've been told that the rail way companies were famous for > using fairbanks morse model n's for this purpose, and i;ve seen an n that > came from a bridge in eastern arkansas, so i;m hopeful that's what it > is,,,,, and i;m guessing from the size that its in the 20 hp range,,, > will keep yall updated with any new developments,, If one knew when the bridge was built , then the guesses would be better As you drift of into slumber tonite repeat " matchstartmatchstartmatchstartmatchstartmatchstart" From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Oct 12 03:26:40 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:26:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing Message-ID: <101220041026.23485.3b25@mchsi.com> Hi John, Wow...the stick kind is even better then I wanted. Much less messy then the drip on kind and always works better. Thankyou very much! Curt > Hi Curt, > > I use a block of that stuff for my belts, I got it once from a lathe trader. > Just had a phone call with a trader I know and he has some old fashion > belt sticks on stock. October 31 we will meet each other at a swapmeet > and he told me to bring the stuff along. Remember the good time we had > at the R&V reunion last year, so I will send you one. Let you know when > I have it. > > Regards, > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > Does anyone know a source for Pulmore brand belt dressing? Realized I am > > almost out as I like using it for my belts when grinding corn meal,etc. > > thankyou in advance, > > Curt Andree > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Oct 12 15:22:45 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:22:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing In-Reply-To: <010901c4b05e$f8c522e0$a91117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <200410120113.i9C1DHkr069760@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <010901c4b05e$f8c522e0$a91117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <3DC3B543-1C9D-11D9-AD74-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Also dance suppliers. Ballerinas jump in a box of powdered rosin to get their pointe shoes nice and sticky immediately before dancing out on stage, so they don't slip down on their bums in front of everybody. John > Rosin = Partially cured pine tree sap. Very easy to find at a music > store since it is used on bows used with string instruments. > Powdered rosin is also found at many sports stores, it helps provide a > more stable grip while lifting weights. (rosin bag) From cjclem at sysim.net Tue Oct 12 15:36:09 2004 From: cjclem at sysim.net (John) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:36:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] US Show Fences & Insurance Issues Message-ID: <1097620569.416c5c5994ef4@webmail.sysim.net> After reading all the chatter about fences, insurance in AU would like list to know it is happening right here in midwest USA shows. Here is Rollag,MN show with most engines (not all) behind metal ridgid livestock fences & must be member to exhibit & attend safety meeting at show. http://www.rollag.com/ Albert City,Iowa > http://www.albertcitythreshermen.com/register.htm This show requires exhibitors sign liability release. Albany,MN requires signed liability release & safety meeting signed form. http://www.albanymnchamber.com/pioneer.htm Hanley Falls,MN requires signed liability release from exhibitors, http://www.mnmachinerymuseum.com/welcome.html Menno, S Dak show has safety meeting & member giving safety speech stated club does not have insurance on exhibitors, only on the club. We exhibited at last 3 shows listed in 2004 & complied but I don't like the release of liability signing required, my opinion the club should get proper coverage even though individuals may have there own is not the issue. I would like to see GEM ask exact requirements about insurance any any signings, meetings required in show directory request from clubs, then when you show up at gate you know the rules ahead of time. From cjclem at sysim.net Tue Oct 12 15:37:25 2004 From: cjclem at sysim.net (John) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:37:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] US Show Fences & Insurance Issues Message-ID: <1097620645.416c5ca5bbfeb@webmail.sysim.net> After reading all the chatter about fences, insurance in AU would like list to know it is happening right here in midwest USA shows. Here is Rollag,MN show with most engines (not all) behind metal ridgid livestock fences & must be member to exhibit & attend safety meeting at show. http://www.rollag.com/ Albert City,Iowa > http://www.albertcitythreshermen.com/register.htm This show requires exhibitors sign liability release. Albany,MN requires signed liability release & safety meeting signed form. http://www.albanymnchamber.com/pioneer.htm Hanley Falls,MN requires signed liability release from exhibitors, http://www.mnmachinerymuseum.com/welcome.html Menno, S Dak show has safety meeting & member giving safety speech stated club does not have insurance on exhibitors, only on the club. We exhibited at last 3 shows listed in 2004 & complied but I don't like the release of liability signing required, my opinion the club should get proper coverage even though individuals may have there own is not the issue. I would like to see GEM ask exact requirements about insurance any any signings, meetings required in show directory request from clubs, then when you show up at gate you know the rules ahead of time. From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Oct 12 05:48:49 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:48:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: Message-ID: <000201c4b05b$5515a190$db4b1fd3@km> G'Day Adam I tried really hard to stay out of it this time around, but what are you on about > > Gents and Ladies, > to abtain NHMA insurance the following must occur... > > 1. You must be a member of an affiliated club (there are close to 150 of them I believe) > > 2. You must be an exhibitor to enter a compound and of course hold an insurance card from your Club > tell me if I am wrong but you join a club pay your fees and get your insurance, got nothing to do with being a exhibitor, but if you are saying that you cannot enter a compound without being an exhibitor even if you are a club member is totally stupid something that I have never heard of before and would defy logic, but then again a lot of what has been said falls into that group already. The only section of the RULES? I can find is 1.4 ACCESS TO COMPOUND. Only insured operators of engines and machinery and insured club members are to be allowed within the compound while engines and machinery are operating. which is completely different to what you have stated. Several times people on this list have made statements, some totally wrong or at the least confusing, if people like yourself (official of the national) cannot get it right then you must understand why the rest of us dummies are confused. I have no problems with the fences, put denying entry to a compound to a guest under supervision really gets up my noise, then statements like having to be an exhibitor would really piss me and a lot of others off. waiting to be un-confused Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Oct 12 16:58:17 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:58:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011202323.01fe8508@mail.alltel.net><004601c4b017$2ed9d260$99a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <416BD585.5030806@imc-group.com><008201c4b05e$eeb65e40$db4b1fd3@km> <416BE4F0.8090104@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002d01c4b0b7$58a727f0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Hi Curt Steve may live on an estate and be required to have personal liability insurance and may have other costs like Body Corporate Fees (but that is another matter). In my case I have house insurance and Contents insurance and I have determined the level. I am prepared to take risk that any damage or theft does not exceed those levels. As for liability insurance I am not sure whether either policy includes this and, at present, I am happy with the my lot. You are lucky that the Councils don't demand insurance cover for public events - wish that was the case here. As for our compulsory third party insurance on vehicles we do not have a limit. Usually the large amounts are determined by the courts and legal process can take many years to resolve, Particularly when you have claims, counter claims, through the local court, supreme court, high court. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA > Kerry, > I read Steven Kitto's statement of "On the house where I live I am > required to have liability insurance (A$20000000)." > as a requirement to have insurance much like the requirement you have to > have insurance for public gathering. > > In the US we are not required to have insurance for public gatherings > either. Most show owners/clubs would be nuts to go it without insurance, > but nonetheless it is not required. > > We too have a requirement for automobile liability insurance but nothing > approaching the 20 mil mark! The amount of insurance you purchase is > again dependent on your personal assets. Many people carry the minimum > of around 50,000. Some 300,000 and few even have 1 million dollar policies. > It is all a matter of covering your personal assets. There is no sense > in being "insurance poor". > > BTW for those visiting AU next fall/March and will be driving, are we > going to be required to purchase Australian insurance for driving, or > will our US policies be sufficient? > > Curt > > Kerry wrote: > > >G'Day Curt > > > >You don't have to have insurance in OZ either, not saying that in some > >housing estates it may be a requirement by whoever, but I know of no forced > >requirement (in NSW anyway) just another example of confusing statements > >being made to support their urguments. > >I will be told if I am wrong but the only required insurance of any type I > >can think of at the moment is 3rd party insurance to register a vehicle. > >The $20mil seems the normal limit if you take liability insurance, the legal > >system has a lot to answer for, lawers and judges have stuffed the place. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bboyce at swat.coop Tue Oct 12 17:08:26 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:08:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <4.2.0.58.20041011141706.0230b008@mail.keyconn.net><006c01c4afcf$436378a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net><005701c4b00e$0c64cd60$6401a8c0@BillyBob> <009701c4b080$d0e53040$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <002901c4b0b8$c3dc4400$6401a8c0@BillyBob> > > > If one knew when the bridge was built , then the guesses would be better > As you drift of into slumber tonite repeat " matchstartmatchstartmatchstartmatchstartmatchstart" > the bridge was built in 1884,,, so it must really be an early Fairbanks, my guess it's even hit and miss,, ;) bill boyce From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Oct 12 17:19:56 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:19:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011202323.01fe8508@mail.alltel.net><004601c4b017$2ed9d260$99a226ca@ogborneuah38i3><416BD585.5030806@imc-group.com><008201c4b05e$eeb65e40$db4b1fd3@km> <00b901c4b060$fb9d5e40$db4b1fd3@km> Message-ID: <000f01c4b0ba$5f63d400$526f29cb@oemcomputer> Me to Kerry.If I am payed up and was denied entry to a compound there would them defiantly be a legal problem and not against me. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:40 Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA > Sent a second time as the first seems to be lost in space? > > G'Day Adam > > I tried really hard to stay out of it this time around, but what are you on > about > > > > > Gents and Ladies, > > to abtain NHMA insurance the following must occur... > > > > 1. You must be a member of an affiliated club (there are close to 150 of > them I believe) > > > > 2. You must be an exhibitor to enter a compound and of course hold an > insurance card from your Club > > > > tell me if I am wrong but you join a club pay your fees and get your > insurance, got nothing to do with being a exhibitor, > but if you are saying that you cannot enter a compound without being an > exhibitor even if you are a club member is totally stupid something that I > have never heard of before and would defy logic, but then again a lot of > what has been said falls into that group already. > The only section of the RULES? I can find is > > 1.4 ACCESS TO COMPOUND. > Only insured operators of engines and machinery and insured club members are > to be allowed within the compound while engines and machinery are operating. > > which is completely different to what you have stated. > Several times people on this list have made statements, some totally wrong > or at the least confusing, if people like yourself (official of the > national) cannot get it right then you must understand why the rest of us > dummies are confused. > > I have no problems with the fences, put denying entry to a compound to a > guest under supervision really gets up my noise, then statements like having > to be an exhibitor would really piss me and a lot of others off. > > waiting to be un-confused > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow NSW OZ > > Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 > > Friends in Engines > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. > From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Oct 12 17:23:03 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:23:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: <20041012.114257.984.6.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <001f01c4b0ba$cfe03700$526f29cb@oemcomputer> How do you work out that this is of topic.It is all related to showing engines or can't you comprehend this.As far as I know isn't this list about engines. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 1:30 Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA > All this talk about Free Speech - Fences - Insurance - - - Etc. > > And - - - I got balled out for being off topic because I asked about a 9V > flashlight. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - > \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. > From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Oct 12 17:35:25 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:35:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011202323.01fe8508@mail.alltel.net><004601c4b017$2ed9d260$99a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <416BD585.5030806@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003b01c4b0bc$89059080$526f29cb@oemcomputer> Curt I can assure you that there is no legal requirement for insurance in this country.You can take all the risk yourself if you want.As Kerry said you have to have 3rd party on motor registration but this is all.If you have a mortgage on your home the lender would require you to have insurance or they wont lend you the money but this is not a government law.I have no insurance at all only 3rd party property on my car just in case I hit a Merk or Roller and this is only because I want to have it.If you come to OZ and have a current drivers license that is all you need to drive here.Your hire car company will cover all other insurance needs.It was exactly the same when I was in the US.I had a friend with me who wanted to drive and had to pay extra insurance to the hire car company so we could use a second driver. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:00 Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA > peter ogborne wrote: > > It would seem to me that the majority of us here in Australia are quite happy to conform > and that doesn't mean to be submissive. > > > > Ah the sheep continue to be shorn..... > > I have been following this thread with great interest most due to the > fact that Missy and I will have the opportunity to experience the fences > first hand in a few months. At the same time I have been very leery of > commenting on any of this because soon I will be a guest of your country > and do not want to alienate any Australians before ever setting foot > there. So I will limit my comments to simply observatory and will > attempt to not pass judgment on them....yet. > > One item that was a real eye opener was the tremendous homeowner > liability insurance requirement one mentioned. I think I counted the > zeros right and that was 20 million of personal liability insurance > required for the homeowner!!! I'd venture to say most American's > homeowner liability insurance never exceeds the 1 million mark. And > guess what, liability insurance is NOT a requirement for the homeowner > here. The fact that Australia requires it is the very definition of a > monopoly. Here in the states you carry liability insurance to protect > your personal assets against lawsuit. There is little sense in insuring > yourself for much more than the value of your personal assets. If you > feel you do not want the protection of homeowner liability insurance you > don't have to carry it. > The fact that your monopolistic insurance carriers have lobbied your > legislators requiring you carry these huge liability policies, provides > the very fuel for the litigation lawyers to feed on. > If everyone in Australia dropped their excessive insurance the > litigation lawyers would instantly be put out of business. The view from > this side of the pond is that your insurance companies are on the take > with the lawyers. The whole mess is a civilized coercion of much money > from 19 million people to the lucrative benefit of a few lawyers. > > Much of the same can be said for the US too. But the sole difference > being that purchasing insurance is a freedom, not a definitive > requirement of the government. Many individuals and companies opt to > self insure, believing that they conduct themselves with enough care & > responsibility and that they can save money by funding their own > litigation fund/savings account, that they don't need to purchase > expensive 3rd party insurance. > > Essentially you are submitting to a "liabilty tax" to provide the sole > income of both the insurance and legal businesses in your country. The > shearing of the sheep continues..... > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Oct 12 17:44:37 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:44:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011202323.01fe8508@mail.alltel.net><004601c4b017$2ed9d260$99a226ca@ogborneuah38i3><416BD585.5030806@imc-group.com><008201c4b05e$eeb65e40$db4b1fd3@km> <00b901c4b060$fb9d5e40$db4b1fd3@km> Message-ID: <005e01c4b0bd$d1ea3070$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Kerry, You are not alone in your confusion. On Sept. 10, 2004, Adam wrote: "My suggestion to those comming from Overseas who want to enter the compounds join the club pay your $12 insurance fee. If you look on the webpage and download the registration from you will not a point if you would like insurance provided tick the box send the money." On October 11, 2004, he wrote the comments you listed below. Same man, different rules, and you wonder why us yanks are confused. Nuff said. Jeff Allen aka Jeremy Hillary Boob Ph.D. PS, What is a registration from? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA > > G'Day Adam > > I tried really hard to stay out of it this time around, but what are you > on > about > >> >> Gents and Ladies, >> to abtain NHMA insurance the following must occur... >> >> 1. You must be a member of an affiliated club (there are close to 150 of > them I believe) >> >> 2. You must be an exhibitor to enter a compound and of course hold an > insurance card from your Club >> > > tell me if I am wrong but you join a club pay your fees and get your > insurance, got nothing to do with being a exhibitor, > but if you are saying that you cannot enter a compound without being an > exhibitor even if you are a club member is totally stupid something that I > have never heard of before and would defy logic, but then again a lot of > what has been said falls into that group already. > The only section of the RULES? I can find is > > 1.4 ACCESS TO COMPOUND. > Only insured operators of engines and machinery and insured club members > are > to be allowed within the compound while engines and machinery are > operating. > > which is completely different to what you have stated. > Several times people on this list have made statements, some totally wrong > or at the least confusing, if people like yourself (official of the > national) cannot get it right then you must understand why the rest of us > dummies are confused. > > I have no problems with the fences, put denying entry to a compound to a > guest under supervision really gets up my noise, then statements like > having > to be an exhibitor would really piss me and a lot of others off. > > waiting to be un-confused > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow NSW OZ > > Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 > > Friends in Engines > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From clemsweller at earthlink.net Tue Oct 12 18:00:23 2004 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:00:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] nhma In-Reply-To: <014201c4b008$a0550590$65218b90@userw32g91tqfi> Message-ID: <000701c4b0c0$1207d890$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Well then, I guess that explains it! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of barry gorman Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:07 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma Chuck , here in our country we believe in freedom , free speech and , FTW. WE ARE AUSTRALIANS . Barry G. The Glorious Hunter Valley AUSTRALIA From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Oct 12 18:13:55 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:13:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041011202323.01fe8508@mail.alltel.net><004601c4b017$2ed9d260$99a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <416BD585.5030806@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <007c01c4b0c1$e9ba1680$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Curt Holland wrote in part: " I have been following this thread with great interest most due to the fact that Missy and I will have the opportunity to experience the fences first hand in a few months. " Curt and list, I have no doubt all are interested in your view after your visit to the land of fences and extortion by insurance companies. I look forward to a full report and photos. Your visit should help clear up the fence issue from a Yank's point of view. I do hope you enjoy your trip, and will gladly post photos for you on one of the servers I have access to. Couple more thoughts: My words: "The attitude that it can't happen here will insure that it will happen here." Dolly's words: "Also, I believe it is relevent for those of us from the UK and US to discuss what is happening is Oz, as it is a direction other insurance companies and national clubs may try to follow - forewarned is forearmed! If we can't discuss what is happening around the world and even at other clubs, it makes this list a little pointless." Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Oct 12 18:25:57 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:25:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041012210503.01f1e750@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, As most of you know I been a critic of the "NHMA fence policy." However, I've changed my mind a bit since attending the Cotton Ginning Days in Dallas NC. All went well the first few days with a good selection of drag and cut-off saws doing what they do best--cutting wood. Then on the 3rd day, however, one of the show goers who was allowed behind the fence STOLE a round of wood! (This can clearly be seen in the center row--third picture from the top. See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/) We were all warned about such behavior the President of NHMA, but I had no idea that this kind of theft could occur here in the USA! There was also one bloke from OZ at the Cotton Ginning Days show. Take a GOOD look at the above set of pictures and see if you can pick out his display. The really sad part of allowing spectators into the engine display area can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/woops.JPG This carnage has ALMOST convinced me that we need to follow the NHMA fence policy here in the USA! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Oct 12 18:59:25 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:59:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] NHMA In-Reply-To: <001f01c4b0ba$cfe03700$526f29cb@oemcomputer> References: <20041012.114257.984.6.jlb94@juno.com> <001f01c4b0ba$cfe03700$526f29cb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041012215712.01fe2578@mail.alltel.net> At 08:23 PM 10/12/2004, you wrote: >How do you work out that this is of topic.It is all related to showing >engines or can't you comprehend this.As far as I know isn't this list about >engines. >EDD PAYNE Hi Edd, How in the hell did you come to that conclusion? I thought this List was about 9 volt batteries and computer problems! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Oct 12 19:06:14 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:06:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re:Arden N.C. Show In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041012220509.02043cc8@mail.alltel.net> Hi Steve, Want to try the dates for the show again? Dave >>Hi , For anyone wanting to attend the Arden N.C. show Oct 20-24, here is >>a list of motels close by at the intersection of Airport road and I-26. >>These are all as close to the showground as you can get(less than a mile) >Budget Inn 828 684 2200 >Hampton Inn 828 687 0806 >Holiday Inn 828 654 8077 >Econolodge 828 684 1200 >Fairfield Inn 1 800 228 2800 >Comfort Inn 828 687 9199 >Days Inn 828 684 2281 > >I hope to see a lot of you there! Steve Royster From oldengin at udata.com Tue Oct 12 19:07:10 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:07:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Keyway's (Maybe sorta kinda whatever OT) In-Reply-To: <4023.165.206.180.118.1097595578.squirrel@165.206.180.118> References: <000201c4b00c$552e99b0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><016a01c4b02c$bc068510$65218b90@userw32g91tqfi><000601c4b03d$fa5f26d0$8a63fea9@sweeper> <416BBB9E.FFDB89B9@insulate.co.uk> <004e01c4b05d$22af08c0$44a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <4023.165.206.180.118.1097595578.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Message-ID: <416C8DCE.8000207@udata.com> Gday, As a few of you might now know I am building another model at this time and I came to the part where you cut the keyway into the crank. Guess what it is 90 degrees off the throws... I have played with a good number of engins and seen a few more but this was a first, I contacted the vendor and he assures me that all GADE engins where this way? WHY? and do you know of any others that are not 180 out from the throw? Even those with weights on the crank, that I have noticed, are 180 what is the deal here? I set the crank into the fixture waiting to hear from the vendor as I thought this might be his error and I was going to go the 180 but he is set that it needs to be the 90. Now what? -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Oct 12 21:08:50 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:08:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041012210503.01f1e750@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001601c4b0da$58f225c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> You have enlightened me Dave, and I have to thank you. A small child near an engine and a drag saw, and then they steal from you. What is this world coming to. The bloke from OZ. On the trailer behind the fence. Pavlov perhaps. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:25 PM Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! > Hi All, > As most of you know I been a critic of the "NHMA fence policy." However, > I've changed my mind a bit since attending the Cotton Ginning Days in > Dallas NC. All went well the first few days with a good selection of drag > and cut-off saws doing what they do best--cutting wood. Then on the 3rd > day, however, one of the show goers who was allowed behind the fence STOLE > a round of wood! (This can clearly be seen in the center row--third > picture from the top. See: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/) We were all > warned about such behavior the President of NHMA, but I had no idea that > this kind of theft could occur here in the USA! > There was also one bloke from OZ at the Cotton Ginning Days show. Take a > GOOD look at the above set of pictures and see if you can pick out his > display. > The really sad part of allowing spectators into the engine display area > can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/woops.JPG > This carnage has ALMOST convinced me that we need to follow the NHMA fence > policy here in the USA! > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Oct 12 21:12:43 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:12:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041012210503.01f1e750@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000901c4b0da$e369d720$8a63fea9@sweeper> We give them away over here in OZ or charge a gold coin and the money goes to charity. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 11:25 AM Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! > Hi All, > As most of you know I been a critic of the "NHMA fence policy." However, > I've changed my mind a bit since attending the Cotton Ginning Days in > Dallas NC. All went well the first few days with a good selection of drag > and cut-off saws doing what they do best--cutting wood. Then on the 3rd > day, however, one of the show goers who was allowed behind the fence STOLE > a round of wood! (This can clearly be seen in the center row--third picture > from the top. See: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/) We were all > warned about such behavior the President of NHMA, but I had no idea that > this kind of theft could occur here in the USA! > There was also one bloke from OZ at the Cotton Ginning Days show. Take a > GOOD look at the above set of pictures and see if you can pick out his > display. > The really sad part of allowing spectators into the engine display area > can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/woops.JPG > This carnage has ALMOST convinced me that we need to follow the NHMA fence > policy here in the USA! > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pwaugh at mchsi.com Tue Oct 12 15:59:59 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:59:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <200410120113.i9C1DHkr069760@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org><010901c4b05e$f8c522e0$a91117d1@net.telenet.net> <3DC3B543-1C9D-11D9-AD74-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <001d01c4b0af$334769a0$0400a8c0@paul> Hi All so all we have to do is come up with a binder for this rosin, that does not make things slick, my first thought was beeswax, but that is used as lubricate, so no go Paul Waugh > Also dance suppliers. Ballerinas jump in a box of powdered rosin to get > their pointe shoes nice and sticky immediately before dancing out on > stage, so they don't slip down on their bums in front of everybody. > From pwaugh at mchsi.com Tue Oct 12 19:31:03 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:31:03 -0500 Subject: Fw: [SEL] Belt Dressing Message-ID: <004a01c4b0cc$af6cda20$0400a8c0@paul> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing Hi All so all we have to do is come up with a binder for this rosin, that does not make things slick, my first thought was beeswax, but that is used as lubricate, so no go Paul Waugh >> Also dance suppliers. Ballerinas jump in a box of powdered rosin to get >> their pointe shoes nice and sticky immediately before dancing out on >> stage, so they don't slip down on their bums in front of everybody. >> > From old_iron at msn.com Tue Oct 12 23:20:10 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 01:20:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! Message-ID: I don't agree with the fences, but we need SOMETHING between the exhibits and the "city slickers" who come to the shows. On occasion we have even brought our own "caution" tape and post to put it on. We were at a "Farm Heritage" show in September, at 4:00 PM (the show closed at 4:30) we had a little boy who was clearly out of control, go under the safety rope, and took out two rubber ducks off of the top of the 15" Humphreys mud pump and throw them in the tub of water. The ducks had sat there for 2 days (we had a gate of 1,800 on Saturday) without incident. My point here is that this pump has very large open gears that could have taken this kids arm off without missing a beat if I had not gotten up and told him to stay outside the ropes. I don't want to see "fences" but some people need one of Dave's signs on there head because they don't control their children well enough. I will now get off my soap box, but some times people need to be protected from themselves. Peg Pfeiffer PS: I attend the "safety meeting" at every show we go to that has one, I also know how to shut down all of Bill's engines in case of emergency. >From: "Ron Page" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! >Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:12:43 +1000 > >We give them away over here in OZ or charge a gold coin and the money goes >to charity. > >Ron > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dave Rotigel" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 11:25 AM >Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! > > > > Hi All, > > As most of you know I been a critic of the "NHMA fence policy." However, > > I've changed my mind a bit since attending the Cotton Ginning Days in > > Dallas NC. All went well the first few days with a good selection of >drag > > and cut-off saws doing what they do best--cutting wood. Then on the 3rd > > day, however, one of the show goers who was allowed behind the fence >STOLE > > a round of wood! (This can clearly be seen in the center row--third >picture > > from the top. See: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/) We were >all > > warned about such behavior the President of NHMA, but I had no idea >that > > this kind of theft could occur here in the USA! > > There was also one bloke from OZ at the Cotton Ginning Days show. Take a > > GOOD look at the above set of pictures and see if you can pick out his > > display. > > The really sad part of allowing spectators into the engine display area > > can be seen at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/woops.JPG > > This carnage has ALMOST convinced me that we need to follow the NHMA >fence > > policy here in the USA! > > Dave > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Tue Oct 12 23:43:27 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:43:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3cjpm0hjjg1tp9ji1ah0bn0pof75lup3m6@4ax.com> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 01:20:10 -0500, you wrote: >I don't agree with the fences, but we need SOMETHING between the exhibits >and the "city slickers" who come to the shows. On occasion we have even >brought our own "caution" tape and post to put it on. >I don't want to see "fences" but some people need one of Dave's signs on >there head because they don't control their children well enough. > >I will now get off my soap box, but some times people need to be protected >from themselves. > >Peg Pfeiffer > >PS: I attend the "safety meeting" at every show we go to that has one, I >also know how to shut down all of Bill's engines in case of emergency. The voice of reason as always, Peg! I'd go along with that also, a single rope should be sufficient for most reasonable folks to show this is the demarcation line between public and exhibitors. Fences are obtrusive both for looking at machinery and for photography, and will eventually kill off spectator involvement and probably attendance as well. Whatever the local requirements, it behoves us all to make sure that accidents do not occur, as they will eventually lead to live machinery being banned in their present form. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Oct 12 23:55:21 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:55:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: <20041012.114257.984.6.jlb94@juno.com><001f01c4b0ba$cfe03700$526f29cb@oemcomputer> <6.1.2.0.0.20041012215712.01fe2578@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <002b01c4b0f1$a0437980$106f29cb@oemcomputer> Dam.Here I have been on the list for 6 years and now you tell me.Wondered why no one responded to my posts.I will try to get it rite in future.Thanks Dave. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 11:59 Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA > At 08:23 PM 10/12/2004, you wrote: > >How do you work out that this is of topic.It is all related to showing > >engines or can't you comprehend this.As far as I know isn't this list about > >engines. > >EDD PAYNE > > Hi Edd, How in the hell did you come to that conclusion? I thought this > List was about 9 volt batteries and computer problems! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Wed Oct 13 01:12:32 2004 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:12:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing In-Reply-To: <001d01c4b0af$334769a0$0400a8c0@paul> References: <200410120113.i9C1DHkr069760@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <010901c4b05e$f8c522e0$a91117d1@net.telenet.net> <3DC3B543-1C9D-11D9-AD74-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <001d01c4b0af$334769a0$0400a8c0@paul> Message-ID: I seem to remember that rosin will dissolve in methylated spirits (denatured alcohol) if that helps? This is volatile and would evaporate fast, leaving a gummy rosin residue. In message <001d01c4b0af$334769a0$0400a8c0 at paul>, Paul writes >Hi All >so all we have to do is come up with a binder for this rosin, that does >not make things slick, my first thought was beeswax, but that is used >as lubricate, so no go > > >Paul Waugh > -- Peter Scales From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Oct 13 02:05:58 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:05:58 +0800 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! References: Message-ID: <001001c4b103$de878c60$5fa226ca@ogborneuah38i3> At last ''A voice of reason''. WE all sail close to the wind ,what with open gears ,flat belts and pulleys etc. All we in Australia have done is go one step further than the single rope Our fence does not stop the attraction . There is still interaction and great interest from the public....lets really be honest about this do ,we want the uninitiated actually in a hands on situation....I think not. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! > I don't agree with the fences, but we need SOMETHING between the exhibits > and the "city slickers" who come to the shows. On occasion we have even > brought our own "caution" tape and post to put it on. > > We were at a "Farm Heritage" show in September, at 4:00 PM (the show closed > at 4:30) we had a little boy who was clearly out of control, go under the > safety rope, and took out two rubber ducks off of the top of the 15" > Humphreys mud pump and throw them in the tub of water. The ducks had sat > there for 2 days (we had a gate of 1,800 on Saturday) without incident. My > point here is that this pump has very large open gears that could have taken > this kids arm off without missing a beat if I had not gotten up and told him > to stay outside the ropes. > > I don't want to see "fences" but some people need one of Dave's signs on > there head because they don't control their children well enough. > > I will now get off my soap box, but some times people need to be protected > from themselves. > > Peg Pfeiffer > > PS: I attend the "safety meeting" at every show we go to that has one, I > also know how to shut down all of Bill's engines in case of emergency. > > >From: "Ron Page" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Subject: Re: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! > >Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:12:43 +1000 > > > >We give them away over here in OZ or charge a gold coin and the money goes > >to charity. > > > >Ron > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Dave Rotigel" > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 11:25 AM > >Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > As most of you know I been a critic of the "NHMA fence policy." However, > > > I've changed my mind a bit since attending the Cotton Ginning Days in > > > Dallas NC. All went well the first few days with a good selection of > >drag > > > and cut-off saws doing what they do best--cutting wood. Then on the 3rd > > > day, however, one of the show goers who was allowed behind the fence > >STOLE > > > a round of wood! (This can clearly be seen in the center row--third > >picture > > > from the top. See: > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/) We were > >all > > > warned about such behavior the President of NHMA, but I had no idea > >that > > > this kind of theft could occur here in the USA! > > > There was also one bloke from OZ at the Cotton Ginning Days show. Take a > > > GOOD look at the above set of pictures and see if you can pick out his > > > display. > > > The really sad part of allowing spectators into the engine display area > > > can be seen at: > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/woops.JPG > > > This carnage has ALMOST convinced me that we need to follow the NHMA > >fence > > > policy here in the USA! > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From canuckiron at wightman.ca Wed Oct 13 05:43:07 2004 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 05:43:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere References: <414E22D4.C4E68399@wightman.ca> <008a01c49eab$eb8e8a40$33e3f504@x8h7l9> <414FB12C.823C39E0@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <416D22DB.D37FB251@wightman.ca> Well, I finally had a chance to go over the 214 John Deere and have a look at the points. They are located on the front of the engine behind the grill. Not the easiest things to get to. They were pitted and mildly corroded and gaped way out to .027! We dressed them with a file and emery cloth and reset the gap. I took it out and worked the crap out of it and when it was warmed up I could not get it to act up at all. I am thinking this may have the problem licked. As an aside, I got curious and pulled the breather off. I think the air filter was last changed when this thing was new. Couldn't even get a light to shine through. Has a minor fuel leak somewhere that just smells but does not leave any tell tale puddles or spots. The saga continues...... :-) Thanks for all the advice. Duncan Duncan Denman wrote: > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Duncan Denman" > > To: "ATIS Engine List" > > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 8:22 PM > > Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere > > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > > > A friend of mine gave me a John Deere 214 riding mower/tractor because > > > he bought a new and bigger unit. Works great except when it has no load, > > > it will run under full throttle but when I am cutting grass, it will > > > start to cough if it gets too much gas forcing me to throttle back. Plug > > > is not fouling and the engine was rebuilt about three years ago. Any > > > thought/suggestions? I was thinking about the condensor or points or > > > maybe a carb adjustment. Didn't happen untill it was about half way > > > through the lawn or about 30 minutes. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Duncan > > > > > > -- > > > Duncan and Sandy Denman > > > Ayton, Ontario, Canada > > > Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca > > > Visit our Home Page at: > > > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ > > > Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry > > > > > > -- Duncan and Sandy Denman Ayton, Ontario, Canada Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca Visit our Home Page at: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Oct 13 04:19:00 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:19:00 +0100 Subject: [SEL] A new way to sell on Ebay OT Message-ID: <003701c4b116$7047d850$6b856ad5@no1> See http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7927433876 We could try selling our engines this way! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From adamcottrill at telstra.com Wed Oct 13 04:33:59 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:33:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA Message-ID: Hi Kerry, your spot on 100%.... up until Tuesday last week I thought the same as you and agree 200% with your comments. I was told by someone above me and I am expected to follow suit and enforce this at the National being Safety Co-ordinator. That being said I am about to protect this sighting exactly the rules you mentioned... I can say no more but I understand your concern and I'm trying my hardest and batting for you guys. I want to have a great time at the National too. I will keep you informed. Adam From pwaugh at mchsi.com Wed Oct 13 05:20:43 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:20:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A new way to sell on Ebay OT References: <003701c4b116$7047d850$6b856ad5@no1> Message-ID: <001601c4b11f$0f912710$0400a8c0@paul> Sounds sincere, and sure getting lot of hits .. what a riot Paul Waugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 6:19 AM Subject: [SEL] A new way to sell on Ebay OT > See > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7927433876 > We could try selling our engines this way! > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From christison at coastalnet.com Wed Oct 13 05:28:56 2004 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:28:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <200410120113.i9C1DHkr069760@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org><010901c4b05e$f8c522e0$a91117d1@net.telenet.net><3DC3B543-1C9D-11D9-AD74-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <001d01c4b0af$334769a0$0400a8c0@paul> Message-ID: <001501c4b120$35f169a0$0100a8c0@mshome.net> Equal parts of rosin, beeswax and turpentine is the recipe I have run across the most often. That said, a couple of my books say not to use rosin on a leather belt. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing > Hi All > so all we have to do is come up with a binder for this rosin, that does not > make things slick, my first thought was beeswax, but that is used as > lubricate, so no go > > > Paul Waugh From billalan at busynet.net Wed Oct 13 06:13:52 2004 From: billalan at busynet.net (Bill Herreid) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:13:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! In-Reply-To: <001601c4b0da$58f225c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041012210503.01f1e750@mail.alltel.net> <001601c4b0da$58f225c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <416D2A10.8040802@busynet.net> > You have enlightened me Dave, and I have to thank you. A small child > near an engine and a drag saw, and then they steal from you. What is > this world coming to. The bloke from OZ. On the trailer behind the > fence. Pavlov perhaps. > > Jeff I am impressed with how dedicated this Aussie is, coming in and setting up a split rail fence just to protect the public from the engines. From the Cheddar Curtain - Bill Herreid From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Oct 13 06:15:58 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:15:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] JD Grain Elevator References: <78.6316a1bc.2e9c81f7@aol.com> Message-ID: > > Rick, > > Beautiful! Keep checking back once a year, and maybe put some oil on > parts > if they will let you and they will see your continued interest. > > Tom Schmutz Will do Tom. It's only around 7 miles away and Corky knows him well so we'll be checking on it occassionally. Thanx RickinMt. From fbi at insulate.co.uk Wed Oct 13 06:27:59 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:27:59 +0100 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041012210503.01f1e750@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <416D2D5F.CA96C3E8@insulate.co.uk> Actually, Dave, this wood cutting display is CLEARLY a hazard to the public in another way. Why is there no dispenser point for ear defenders? The kids in this pic http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/MVC-410X.JPG will proably sue the club when they go deaf at age 74. Dolly Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi All, > As most of you know I been a critic of the "NHMA fence policy." However, > I've changed my mind a bit since attending the Cotton Ginning Days in > Dallas NC. All went well the first few days with a good selection of drag > and cut-off saws doing what they do best--cutting wood. -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed Oct 13 07:19:53 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 00:19:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: Message-ID: <001501c4b12f$b6457100$4b1131cb@oemcomputer> Adam.I probably won't be at the national but if this rule is enforced as you say and I am there it would take police action to remove me from the compound.As a paid up member of an affiliated club I have every rite to be in a compound wether I have an engine or not.At the Orange national field days last year they tried to stop me from leaving the grounds saying that I could not leave till 5 oclock I made a lot of noise and the police arrived and told the organisers that they could not detain me and they had to let me out which they then did.I know this is not your ruling but if people complain and refuse to leave the compound you have no power to remove anyone and nobody else can either. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 9:33 Subject: [SEL] NHMA > Hi Kerry, > your spot on 100%.... up until Tuesday last week I thought the same as you and agree 200% with your comments. I was told by someone above me and I am expected to follow suit and enforce this at the National being Safety Co-ordinator. > > That being said I am about to protect this sighting exactly the rules you mentioned... I can say no more but I understand your concern and I'm trying my hardest and batting for you guys. I want to have a great time at the National too. > > I will keep you informed. > > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. > From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Oct 13 07:22:44 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:22:44 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! References: <416D2A10.8040802@busynet.net> Message-ID: <416D3A34.000001.03392@NOTEBOOK> That split rail fence is inadequate!!!! A rogue engine may jump the fence, or God forbid, smash through it in a random act of violence and attack an onlooker -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 10/13/04 09:53:58 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! > You have enlightened me Dave, and I have to thank you. A small child > near an engine and a drag saw, and then they steal from you. What is > this world coming to. The bloke from OZ. On the trailer behind the > fence. Pavlov perhaps. > > Jeff I am impressed with how dedicated this Aussie is, coming in and setting up a split rail fence just to protect the public from the engines. From the Cheddar Curtain - Bill Herreid _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Wed Oct 13 07:35:04 2004 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 00:05:04 +0930 Subject: [SEL] belt dressing Message-ID: <000e01c4b131$d4752f60$bcc68890@chaos> Compound for belting :- 2 lb gum damar 4 lb castor oil mix well, heat carefully. skim the skum as it cools ;-) ~applied sparingly. Thin stream of the thick fluid run on the centre of the belt, while it is travelling. Taken from The Enginemans Master Key. L.F.R. Schnabel 1914 From plb at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 13 08:10:21 2004 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 23:10:21 +0800 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! References: <416D2A10.8040802@busynet.net> <416D3A34.000001.03392@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <025101c4b136$c42361e0$0100a8c0@Portable> Such helpful comments. And intelligent as well! Y'all need to come on down and show us Aussie hicks how to run our business. Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! That split rail fence is inadequate!!!! A rogue engine may jump the fence, or God forbid, smash through it in a random act of violence and attack an onlooker -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 10/13/04 09:53:58 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! > You have enlightened me Dave, and I have to thank you. A small child > near an engine and a drag saw, and then they steal from you. What is > this world coming to. The bloke from OZ. On the trailer behind the > fence. Pavlov perhaps. > > Jeff I am impressed with how dedicated this Aussie is, coming in and setting up a split rail fence just to protect the public from the engines. From the Cheddar Curtain - Bill Herreid _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Oct 13 08:32:53 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:32:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] NHMA - gonna alienate a lot of the snivelers - SO WHAT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200410131532.i9DFWvQo024657@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > was told by someone above me and I am expected to follow > suit and enforce this at the National being Safety Co-ordinator. Hey Adam, I'm surprised that no one has stated the REAL problem regarding this issue. It's not the insurance companies and it's not the sanctioning clubs. They are working within fixed constraints so that they can put on a show or remain in business. Now we'll talk about who is at fault. Many of you may be the cause and don't realize it. And you probably won't like this being thrown in your face. Too bad. You reap the seeds you sew. If you've ever sued for or accepted a settlement for suffering in excess of actual monetary damages, then YOU are the reason for all the regulation. If you've ever been on a jury and voted to compensate the paintiff in excess of actual monetary damages, then YOU are the reason for all the regulation. If you are a lawyer who as sued for a sum greater than actual monetary damages (like V.P. hopeful John Edwards), then YOU are the reason for all the regulation. If you supported or voted for legislation that allows compensation in excess of actual damages, then YOU are the cause of the regulation. If you've voted for a candidate that supports compensation in excess of actual damages, then YOU are the cause of the legislation. I'll bet that over half of the List members fall into the above categories. So stop complaining when an insurance company insists we put up fences, when YOU are the one who is so eager to punish the insurance companies. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From curt at imc-group.com Wed Oct 13 08:35:28 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:35:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! In-Reply-To: <416D3A34.000001.03392@NOTEBOOK> References: <416D2A10.8040802@busynet.net> <416D3A34.000001.03392@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <416D4B40.3090305@imc-group.com> Bob, Nor does it protect the engines from all those spectators. Those that might slip between or under the rails, and (even worse) those Democrats sitting ON the fence. :-) Curt P.S. I'll probably get flamed for that political comment. Slipping my Nomex on..... P.P.S. Where is your kewl sig line? Bob Jacobs wrote: >That split rail fence is inadequate!!!! A rogue engine may jump the fence, >or God forbid, smash through it in a random act of violence and attack an >onlooker > > > > > > > From paul at semidiesel.com Wed Oct 13 08:36:53 2004 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:36:53 +0100 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! In-Reply-To: <416D2D5F.CA96C3E8@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Fencing is not the problem, the following would apply to the operator in the UK: Sawdust (Licensing) Regulations 1983 Construction (Head Protection) Regulations 1989 - "non-approved safety helmet" Control of Sawdust at Work Regulations 1987 Control of Substances Hazardous to Health (COSHH) 1999 - "Section 10a, sawdust" Health and Safety (Consultation with Employees) Regulations 1996 - "unguarded saw and engine" Lifting Operations and Lifting Equipment Regulations (LOLER) 1998 - "timber weight over 25 kilos requires mechanical handling" Manual Handling Operations Regulations 1992 Noise at Work Regulations 1989 - "engine requires acoustic cabinet." Personal Protective Equipment Regulations (PPEW) 1992 - "non-approved safety clothing" Provision and Use of Work Equipment Regulations (PUWER) 1998 Work in Compressed Air Regulations 1996 - "if engine air start." Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992 - "use of unguarded saw." If the proper safety guidelines above had been followed, a fence would not have been required here in the UK. The machine and operator would have been safely encased in a large metal box with no windows and a dust filtration system and the public would have been completely safe. Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.771 / Virus Database: 518 - Release Date: 28/09/04 From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Oct 13 08:30:46 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:30:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] NHMA Message-ID: <20041013.115201.872.0.jlb94@juno.com> Sorry - Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:23:03 +1000 "Edd Payne" writes: > How do you work out that this is of topic.It is all related to > showing > engines or can't you comprehend this.As far as I know isn't this > list about > engines. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 1:30 > Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA > > > > All this talk about Free Speech - Fences - Insurance - - - Etc. > > > > And - - - I got balled out for being off topic because I asked > about a 9V > > flashlight. > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > jlb94 at juno.com > > ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - > > \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." > > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Certified virus free. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Oct 13 08:53:20 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:53:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! References: <416D2A10.8040802@busynet.net> <416D3A34.000001.03392@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <005201c4b13c$c35d1cf0$6b856ad5@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! That split rail fence is inadequate!!!! A rogue engine may jump the fence, or God forbid, smash through it in a random act of violence and attack an onlooker One thing in England is that a good number of shows insist that flywheels run parallel to the fence. The idea is that if something (Flywheel or saw) should come loose it won't go towards the audience. It might hit the next exhibit or exhibitor but they didn't pay for admission. 8^) In 25 years of engine shows I have seen incidents 3 times. Luckily no-one was hurt in any of these cases. Just mechanical damage or damage to underwear! Dave Croft From don.h at wcoil.com Wed Oct 13 10:22:21 2004 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:22:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! References: Message-ID: <007701c4b149$32d1dd80$6401a8c0@shop> >I don't agree with the fences, but we need SOMETHING between the exhibits > and the "city slickers" who come to the shows. On occasion we have even DON'T BE SO QUICK TO BLAME THING ON THE CITY SLICKERS A FEW YEARS AGO I WATCHED A MAN IN COVERALLS ABOUT BLOW ANOTHER MANS( IN COVERALLS) HEAD OFF WITH THE STEAM WHISTLE ON A STEAM ENGINE BECAUSE THE DRIVER RIDER DIDN'T LOOK AT THE FELLOW WHO CRAWLED UP ON THE ENGINE TO SEE SOMETHING. AND GOT IN A HURRY TO BLOW HIS WHISTLE AT 1200 AT THE PORTLAND SHOW ABOUT 10 MINUETS LATER HE ABOUT RAN OVER ANOTHER PERSON BECAUSE HE THREW IT IN GEAR TO LINE UP THE BELT ON A THRESHER AND IT WENT BACKWARDS INSTEAD OF FORWARDS iT WASN^T A CITY SLICKER DRIVING.. lets^S BLAME EVERYBODY FOR DUMB THINGS AT SHOWS NOT JUST CHOSEN FEW. TURN ON THE FLAME MACHINE DON IN OHIO From yostsw at atis.net Wed Oct 13 10:28:39 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:28:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: FAQ link from the Mailmain page In-Reply-To: <41675B85.2020006@steamengine.com.au> References: <41675B85.2020006@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <200410131328390250.08475CC3@heavyiron.atis.net> I couldn't add it to the subscription page without creating a special version of the page for SEL(The page is identical for all lists and just fills in the names and addresses depending on which list the user is requesting information for). I did however add it the ATIS FAQ page: http://www.atis.net/faqs.html Let me know what all of you think, Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 10/9/2004 at 1:31 PM Paul Pavlinovich wrote: >Hi Spencer, >How you doing? > >I was wondering if you could include a link to the Stationary Engine FAQ >on the mailman page? >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >The FAQ is at >http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/faq/index.html > >Regards >Paul > >-- > >pjp at steamengine.com.au >Emerald, Victoria, Australia >www.steamengine.com.au From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Oct 13 11:04:10 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:04:10 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! References: <416D4B40.3090305@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <416D6E1A.000001.03328@NOTEBOOK> YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT CURT!!!! I will not allow ANYONE to attack my helpless equipment. Guess my next purchase will simply have to be a BULLDOG engine to guard the fenceline!!! Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 10/13/04 11:35:18 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! Bob, Nor does it protect the engines from all those spectators. Those that might slip between or under the rails, and (even worse) those Democrats sitting ON the fence. :-) Curt P.S. I'll probably get flamed for that political comment. Slipping my Nomex on..... P.P.S. Where is your kewl sig line? Bob Jacobs wrote: >That split rail fence is inadequate!!!! A rogue engine may jump the fence, >or God forbid, smash through it in a random act of violence and attack an >onlooker > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Oct 13 11:12:12 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:12:12 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! References: <007701c4b149$32d1dd80$6401a8c0@shop> Message-ID: <416D6FFC.000003.03328@NOTEBOOK> About 20 years ago or so there was a (terminology used lightly here) engineer with an english steamer. This jerk never opened the cylinder petcocks and eventually blew the head off the cylinder. No one was hurt (thankfully) but that evening, in the campground, many people were commenting on the soggy soot everyone was bathed with due to the jerk. That's the worst incident I've seen other than the stupid stunt I pulled. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 10/13/04 13:24:31 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! >I don't agree with the fences, but we need SOMETHING between the exhibits > and the "city slickers" who come to the shows. On occasion we have even DON'T BE SO QUICK TO BLAME THING ON THE CITY SLICKERS A FEW YEARS AGO I WATCHED A MAN IN COVERALLS ABOUT BLOW ANOTHER MANS( IN COVERALLS) HEAD OFF WITH THE STEAM WHISTLE ON A STEAM ENGINE BECAUSE THE DRIVER RIDER DIDN'T LOOK AT THE FELLOW WHO CRAWLED UP ON THE ENGINE TO SEE SOMETHING. AND GOT IN A HURRY TO BLOW HIS WHISTLE AT 1200 AT THE PORTLAND SHOW ABOUT 10 MINUETS LATER HE ABOUT RAN OVER ANOTHER PERSON BECAUSE HE THREW IT IN GEAR TO LINE UP THE BELT ON A THRESHER AND IT WENT BACKWARDS INSTEAD OF FORWARDS iT WASN^T A CITY SLICKER DRIVING.. lets^S BLAME EVERYBODY FOR DUMB THINGS AT SHOWS NOT JUST CHOSEN FEW. TURN ON THE FLAME MACHINE DON IN OHIO _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldengin at udata.com Wed Oct 13 12:22:34 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:22:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] belt dressing In-Reply-To: <000e01c4b131$d4752f60$bcc68890@chaos> References: <000e01c4b131$d4752f60$bcc68890@chaos> Message-ID: <416D807A.4060807@udata.com> derek wrote: >Compound for belting :- >2 lb gum damar >4 lb castor oil >mix well, heat carefully. >skim the skum as it cools ;-) >~applied sparingly. Thin stream of the thick fluid run on the centre of the >belt, while it is travelling. > > >Taken from The Enginemans Master Key. L.F.R. Schnabel 1914 > > > > OK what is gum damar and where do you find it??? -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From curt at imc-group.com Wed Oct 13 12:36:18 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:36:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales In-Reply-To: <416D6FFC.000003.03328@NOTEBOOK> References: <007701c4b149$32d1dd80$6401a8c0@shop> <416D6FFC.000003.03328@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <416D83B2.4050105@imc-group.com> Bob Jacobs wrote: >That's the worst incident I've seen other than the stupid stunt I pulled. > > OK Bob I'll bite....tell us all about it. I'm sure there are several stories that members could share that are funny tales of things we've all done at an engine show. I've heard Kelley tell of an engine she took half apart only to discover it was simply out of gas. Dave had a "serious" electrical problem on his Domestic this weekend that required the use of a voltmeter and several electricians to diagnose the problem, only to be asked by a bystander if the battery saver might be why the buzz coil was not buzzing. Tell us your funny and maybe a little bit embarrassing engine stories. This could be a light and pleasant diversion from the fences and insurance thread. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC > > > > > > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Wed Oct 13 13:24:05 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:24:05 +0100 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales References: <007701c4b149$32d1dd80$6401a8c0@shop> <416D6FFC.000003.03328@NOTEBOOK> <416D83B2.4050105@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <416D8EE5.7DC512AD@insulate.co.uk> Curt wrote: > . Tell us > your funny and maybe a little bit embarrassing engine stories. This > could be a light and pleasant diversion from the fences and insurance > thread. What an excellent idea. I personally can't tell one because I never can start my engines myself :-( BUT, Jim says he will quite happily confess his stories. 1) Jim and twin brother Andy have the impulse mag off one of their first engines, a Wolseley WD, whilst at a family BBQ. Interested, our old dog, Rogan went over to see what they were up to. He sniffed Jim's leg at the exact moment the mag let one fly. Jim, Andy and Rogan all felt the whack, and Rogan ran off to the far end of the garden yelping. 2) Jim and Andy again. Both with streaming colds. With two identical cans of fuel, one containing paraffin and one containing petrol. The %^*ST"+d engine won't fire. About an hour and much bad language later, one of them resorted to tasting the fuel ... they'd had paraffin in the petrol engine. 3) You know what it's like when you are starting an engine - spend any time doing it and you soon have an interested crowd watching. Now make the location Portland, and the engine a certain well known half-breed and you can imagine the size of the crowd. There was a similar sized crowd up on the trailers, working up a communal sweat, scratching heads etc. Finally, someone leaned over from the far side and said "Is the gas turned on?" Jim says he's still thinking of more!!!! Dolly PS Curt, 'fess up. It's no good telling the stories of other folks' shortcomings! -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Oct 13 13:39:44 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] belt dressing In-Reply-To: <416D807A.4060807@udata.com> References: <000e01c4b131$d4752f60$bcc68890@chaos> <416D807A.4060807@udata.com> Message-ID: <14886.165.206.180.118.1097699984.squirrel@165.206.180.118> >>gum damar<< That's a Farengi officer on TNG. Bill > derek wrote: > >>Compound for belting :- >>2 lb gum damar >>4 lb castor oil >>mix well, heat carefully. >>skim the skum as it cools ;-) >>~applied sparingly. Thin stream of the thick fluid run on the centre of >> the >>belt, while it is travelling. >> >> >>Taken from The Enginemans Master Key. L.F.R. Schnabel 1914 >> >> >> >> > OK what is gum damar and where do you find it??? > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Wed Oct 13 13:41:11 2004 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:41:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales In-Reply-To: <416D83B2.4050105@imc-group.com> Message-ID: DANG IT! Is Rob using my name to pass off his stories again???!!! No more biscuits for him for a while! -- Kelley Garcia La Habra, Ka. USA On 10/13/04 12:36 PM, "Curt" wrote: > Bob Jacobs wrote: > >> That's the worst incident I've seen other than the stupid stunt I pulled. >> >> > > OK Bob I'll bite....tell us all about it. > > I'm sure there are several stories that members could share that are > funny tales of things we've all done at an engine show. I've heard > Kelley tell of an engine she took half apart only to discover it was > simply out of gas. Dave had a "serious" electrical problem on his > Domestic this weekend that required the use of a voltmeter and several > electricians to diagnose the problem, only to be asked by a bystander if > the battery saver might be why the buzz coil was not buzzing. Tell us > your funny and maybe a little bit embarrassing engine stories. This > could be a light and pleasant diversion from the fences and insurance > thread. > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Oct 13 14:00:51 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:00:51 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales References: <416D83B2.4050105@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <416D9783.000001.00820@NOTEBOOK> -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 10/13/04 15:34:32 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales Bob Jacobs wrote: >That's the worst incident I've seen other than the stupid stunt I pulled. > > >>OK Bob I'll bite....tell us all about it. Ok, sure, why not. Nobody here knows me anyhow so I won't have to hide at the shows yet!!!! My father and I were asked to take dad's Steamer and our gas engines to a little show just nine miles from home. At that time we had around 40 engines, most ran, a few looked like they could and several for "spare parts". The week before the show we pulled everything out of the barn and washed them up. Now dad and I always liked to run them "as is". Not the glitzy, glamour show pieces but more of life at the farm" exhibit. The first day of the show was marvelous, hundreds of "hands on" people helping out, lots of old friends of dad's sitting and swapping stories etc. Everything a show should be. The second morning one of dad's old friends pulled up to our area in his old pickup and yelled for me to help him unload an engine dad had bought sometime before but never picked up. There in the truck was a near perfect 1 1/2 hp jumbo engine. This engine was clean, complete and perfect. We set it in the shade and I started checking it over. Good hot spark, timing seemed right, ignitor appeared to be good and nothing on the engine showed much wear at all, but she just wouldn't bark. After several hours of fussing around her we pulled the ignitor for the umpteenth time and someone suggested that maybe fuel wasn't getting into the cylinder at all. I, in my then youthfull enthusiasim, stuck my right index finger into the ignitor hole and (need I say anymore)????? From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 13 07:38:45 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:38:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <4.2.0.58.20041011141706.0230b008@mail.keyconn.net><006c01c4afcf$436378a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net><005701c4b00e$0c64cd60$6401a8c0@BillyBob><009701c4b080$d0e53040$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <002901c4b0b8$c3dc4400$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <007901c4b16a$bf5847a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > > the bridge was built in 1884,,, so it must really be an early Fairbanks, > my guess it's even hit and miss,, ;) oh I dunno , from where Im siting it looks like an Advance , Hagan made a 20 didnt they ? Would an early Charter be too much to shoot for ? Sleep tight From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 13 13:52:29 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:52:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] belt dressing References: <000e01c4b131$d4752f60$bcc68890@chaos> Message-ID: <007d01c4b16a$c11d7740$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> whats a damar ? Is that asking for aqua fortis and oil of merbane ? I sell VHT track bite at work . You spray it on your tires at the drag strip It smells like bubblegum and is very sticky . Limited experiments on leather and canvas show positive reults , but the methanol in it makes it a hazmat on UPS . doubles the price . > Compound for belting :- > 2 lb gum damar > 4 lb castor oil > mix well, heat carefully. > skim the skum as it cools ;-) > ~applied sparingly. Thin stream of the thick fluid run on the centre of the > belt, while it is travelling. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Oct 13 15:32:13 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:32:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA In-Reply-To: <000201c4b05b$5515a190$db4b1fd3@km> Message-ID: <200410132232.i9DMWIft044026@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I was not going to buy into this, but really! The Naracoorte Rally seems to be trying its hardest to piss off those who are thinking of attending. The resolution is simple. If the club is going to enforce rules different to those in the NHMA guidelines I expect to see them in the advertising for the rally. If they do attempt to enforce the non-NHMA rules without prior advertising they can be found to be in breach of the trade practices act. The least that will happen is that the club will be fined and be de-registered. If nothing else I want to see someone try and enforce this bit of abject stupidity. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- G'Day Adam I tried really hard to stay out of it this time around, but what are you on about > > Gents and Ladies, > to abtain NHMA insurance the following must occur... > > 1. You must be a member of an affiliated club (there are close to 150 of them I believe) > > 2. You must be an exhibitor to enter a compound and of course hold an insurance card from your Club > tell me if I am wrong but you join a club pay your fees and get your insurance, got nothing to do with being a exhibitor, but if you are saying that you cannot enter a compound without being an exhibitor even if you are a club member is totally stupid something that I have never heard of before and would defy logic, but then again a lot of what has been said falls into that group already. The only section of the RULES? I can find is 1.4 ACCESS TO COMPOUND. Only insured operators of engines and machinery and insured club members are to be allowed within the compound while engines and machinery are operating. which is completely different to what you have stated. Several times people on this list have made statements, some totally wrong or at the least confusing, if people like yourself (official of the national) cannot get it right then you must understand why the rest of us dummies are confused. I have no problems with the fences, put denying entry to a compound to a guest under supervision really gets up my noise, then statements like having to be an exhibitor would really piss me and a lot of others off. waiting to be un-confused Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Oct 13 15:41:48 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:41:48 EDT Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update Message-ID: <30.628379ba.2e9f092c@aol.com> In a message dated 10/12/2004 1:13:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bboyce at swat.coop writes: << ,i just hope the railroad people will let me know when they're going to move it, its 75 miles from here,,, and they are so hard to reach by phone >> Bill, Write the CEO back thanking him for what he is doing for you and ask if it can be arranged for notification of you he moving date so you can record it for history. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed Oct 13 16:07:43 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:07:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] belt dressing Message-ID: <200410132307.i9DN7lPC062073@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hello, Probably just a coincidence ,take a look at Ebay 3846064345 .I know a solid is preferred but this stuff might work in a pinch. Jimmy O' From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Oct 13 16:22:34 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:22:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! References: <416D2A10.8040802@busynet.net> <416D3A34.000001.03392@NOTEBOOK> <005201c4b13c$c35d1cf0$6b856ad5@no1> Message-ID: <002701c4b17b$857a6020$8a63fea9@sweeper> Dave We have that also in the NHMA Guidelines. In fact we had an incident a few years ago when we put on a display at a race course. We had a fly wheel come off and ended up on the other side of the track. Fortunately it did not hit any one. The most disappointing thing was that those in the compound did not it had happened until a lady carried it over and asked if it belonged to us. How embarrassing. I know you are goping to ask how a lady carried a fly wheel but those on Moffat are not that heaving. Since that date we always run our engines parallel to the fence. As for the barrier the motor was behind I think it was fairly old and loosely tied para-webbing but I am not sure. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 1:53 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Jacobs" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! > > > That split rail fence is inadequate!!!! A rogue engine may jump the fence, > or God forbid, smash through it in a random act of violence and attack an > onlooker > > One thing in England is that a good number of shows insist that > flywheels run parallel to the fence. > The idea is that if something (Flywheel or saw) should come loose > it won't go towards the audience. > It might hit the next exhibit or exhibitor but they didn't pay for admission. 8^) > In 25 years of engine shows I have seen incidents 3 times. > Luckily no-one was hurt in any of these cases. > Just mechanical damage or damage to underwear! > Dave Croft > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Oct 13 16:38:41 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:38:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: <200410132232.i9DMWIft044026@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <006101c4b17d$c5e93580$8a63fea9@sweeper> Patrick I am with you and your comments. I assume that we are talking here about access to the compound by members who are not showing engines. If this is the then Clause 1.3 of the Safety Guidelines must be followed. Unless it has changed my copy indicates without writing it out that any club member with insurance can enter a compound with or without an engine. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 8:32 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] NHMA > I was not going to buy into this, but really! The Naracoorte Rally seems to > be trying its hardest to piss off those who are thinking of attending. > The resolution is simple. If the club is going to enforce rules different to > those in the NHMA guidelines I expect to see them in the advertising for the > rally. If they do attempt to enforce the non-NHMA rules without prior > advertising they can be found to be in breach of the trade practices act. > The least that will happen is that the club will be fined and be > de-registered. > If nothing else I want to see someone try and enforce this bit of abject > stupidity. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > > G'Day Adam > > I tried really hard to stay out of it this time around, but what are you on > about > > > > > Gents and Ladies, > > to abtain NHMA insurance the following must occur... > > > > 1. You must be a member of an affiliated club (there are close to 150 of > them I believe) > > > > 2. You must be an exhibitor to enter a compound and of course hold an > insurance card from your Club > > > > tell me if I am wrong but you join a club pay your fees and get your > insurance, got nothing to do with being a exhibitor, > but if you are saying that you cannot enter a compound without being an > exhibitor even if you are a club member is totally stupid something that I > have never heard of before and would defy logic, but then again a lot of > what has been said falls into that group already. > The only section of the RULES? I can find is > > 1.4 ACCESS TO COMPOUND. > Only insured operators of engines and machinery and insured club members are > to be allowed within the compound while engines and machinery are operating. > > which is completely different to what you have stated. > Several times people on this list have made statements, some totally wrong > or at the least confusing, if people like yourself (official of the > national) cannot get it right then you must understand why the rest of us > dummies are confused. > > I have no problems with the fences, put denying entry to a compound to a > guest under supervision really gets up my noise, then statements like having > to be an exhibitor would really piss me and a lot of others off. > > waiting to be un-confused > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow NSW OZ > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Oct 13 16:41:56 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:41:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! References: Message-ID: <008301c4b17e$39a58140$8a63fea9@sweeper> Gawd you have as many Laws and Regulations as we have in OZ. But on some topics we have double Federal and State. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Evans" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 1:36 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] The problem with NO FENCES! > Fencing is not the problem, the following would apply to the operator in the UK: > > Sawdust (Licensing) Regulations 1983 > Construction (Head Protection) Regulations 1989 - "non-approved safety helmet" > Control of Sawdust at Work Regulations 1987 > Control of Substances Hazardous to Health (COSHH) 1999 - "Section 10a, sawdust" > Health and Safety (Consultation with Employees) Regulations 1996 - "unguarded saw and engine" > Lifting Operations and Lifting Equipment Regulations (LOLER) 1998 - "timber weight over 25 kilos > requires mechanical handling" > Manual Handling Operations Regulations 1992 > Noise at Work Regulations 1989 - "engine requires acoustic cabinet." > Personal Protective Equipment Regulations (PPEW) 1992 - "non-approved safety clothing" > Provision and Use of Work Equipment Regulations (PUWER) 1998 > Work in Compressed Air Regulations 1996 - "if engine air start." > Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992 - "use of unguarded saw." > > If the proper safety guidelines above had been followed, a fence would not have been required here > in the UK. > The machine and operator would have been safely encased in a large metal box with no windows and a > dust filtration system and the public would have been completely safe. > > Paul > > http://www.internalfire.com > Internal Fire, Museum of Power > Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales > Tel: 01239 811212 > > Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.771 / Virus Database: 518 - Release Date: 28/09/04 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Wed Oct 13 16:56:00 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:56:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] belt dressing References: <000e01c4b131$d4752f60$bcc68890@chaos> <416D807A.4060807@udata.com> Message-ID: <004501c4b180$317507a0$9b5c14d0@net.telenet.net> http://snipurl.com/9r3s http://snipurl.com/9r3v Looks like it is tree sap from the Damar tree. I'm betting that pine sap would work as good or better. Don't think I would mix it and heat it indoors though. Not really a big fan of pine scented housewares.. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy C." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] belt dressing > derek wrote: > > >Compound for belting :- > >2 lb gum damar > >4 lb castor oil > >mix well, heat carefully. > >skim the skum as it cools ;-) > >~applied sparingly. Thin stream of the thick fluid run on the centre of the > >belt, while it is travelling. > > > > > >Taken from The Enginemans Master Key. L.F.R. Schnabel 1914 > > > > > > > > > OK what is gum damar and where do you find it??? > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com Wed Oct 13 17:05:10 2004 From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:05:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Belt Dressing References: <004a01c4b0cc$af6cda20$0400a8c0@paul> Message-ID: <007f01c4b181$79223900$6bc57040@user> My uncle was not one to spend any money unless he had to. He used liquid dish soap. Squirt it on the belt as it ran. Cut a lot of wood that way. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" To: "SEL" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:31 PM Subject: Fw: [SEL] Belt Dressing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Belt Dressing Hi All so all we have to do is come up with a binder for this rosin, that does not make things slick, my first thought was beeswax, but that is used as lubricate, so no go Paul Waugh >> Also dance suppliers. Ballerinas jump in a box of powdered rosin to get >> their pointe shoes nice and sticky immediately before dancing out on >> stage, so they don't slip down on their bums in front of everybody. >> > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Oct 13 17:38:18 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:38:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales References: <416D83B2.4050105@imc-group.com> <416D9783.000001.00820@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <002001c4b186$19f83f10$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> OK, my turn. Not an antique engine, but I think it should qualify. I was about 13 or so, and trying to get a Cushman scooter to run. I don't know why I thought the piston might not be going up and down, but I figured out a great way to check it. Stick my finger in the exhaust port while my buddy kicked it over. Long port, short finger, and just the slightest bit of finger tip in the cylinder. White as a sheet and shaking all over. What the hell was I thinking came to my mind. Lesson learned with little damage, and my "buddy" rolling on the floor laughing. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ PS These stories are so much alike I kept them together. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 10/13/04 15:34:32 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales Bob Jacobs wrote: >That's the worst incident I've seen other than the stupid stunt I pulled. > > >>OK Bob I'll bite....tell us all about it. Ok, sure, why not. Nobody here knows me anyhow so I won't have to hide at the shows yet!!!! My father and I were asked to take dad's Steamer and our gas engines to a little show just nine miles from home. At that time we had around 40 engines, most ran, a few looked like they could and several for "spare parts". The week before the show we pulled everything out of the barn and washed them up. Now dad and I always liked to run them "as is". Not the glitzy, glamour show pieces but more of life at the farm" exhibit. The first day of the show was marvelous, hundreds of "hands on" people helping out, lots of old friends of dad's sitting and swapping stories etc. Everything a show should be. The second morning one of dad's old friends pulled up to our area in his old pickup and yelled for me to help him unload an engine dad had bought sometime before but never picked up. There in the truck was a near perfect 1 1/2 hp jumbo engine. This engine was clean, complete and perfect. We set it in the shade and I started checking it over. Good hot spark, timing seemed right, ignitor appeared to be good and nothing on the engine showed much wear at all, but she just wouldn't bark. After several hours of fussing around her we pulled the ignitor for the umpteenth time and someone suggested that maybe fuel wasn't getting into the cylinder at all. I, in my then youthfull enthusiasim, stuck my right index finger into the ignitor hole and (need I say anymore)????? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Oct 13 17:50:27 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:50:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] NHMA - gonna alienate a lot of the snivelers - SO WHAT References: <200410131532.i9DFWvQo024657@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <002f01c4b187$cc735bb0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Rob, I've never sued, but have been, and you are correct. Hot coffee and McDonalds comes to mind. I think that really started it in this country. Can't get on my soapbox on this right now though. Debate is coming up and I want to watch your buddy, (flame suits on), debate himself, and then listen to Bush's reply. :-)) Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 9:32 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] NHMA - gonna alienate a lot of the snivelers - SO WHAT > >> was told by someone above me and I am expected to follow >> suit and enforce this at the National being Safety Co-ordinator. > > Hey Adam, > I'm surprised that no one has stated the REAL problem regarding this > issue. > It's not the insurance companies and it's not the sanctioning clubs. They > are > working within fixed constraints so that they can put on a show or remain > in > business. > > Now we'll talk about who is at fault. Many of you may be the cause and > don't > realize it. And you probably won't like this being thrown in your face. > Too > bad. You reap the seeds you sew. > > If you've ever sued for or accepted a settlement for suffering in excess > of > actual monetary damages, then YOU are the reason for all the regulation. > If > you've ever been on a jury and voted to compensate the paintiff in excess > of > actual monetary damages, then YOU are the reason for all the regulation. > If you > are a lawyer who as sued for a sum greater than actual monetary damages > (like > V.P. hopeful John Edwards), then YOU are the reason for all the > regulation. If > you supported or voted for legislation that allows compensation in excess > of > actual damages, then YOU are the cause of the regulation. If you've voted > for a > candidate that supports compensation in excess of actual damages, then YOU > are > the cause of the legislation. > > I'll bet that over half of the List members fall into the above > categories. So > stop complaining when an insurance company insists we put up fences, when > YOU > are the one who is so eager to punish the insurance companies. > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jbcast at charter.net Wed Oct 13 05:59:08 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:59:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere Message-ID: <3948se$a0op8o@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net> > I finally had a chance to go over the 214 John Deere and have a look at the > points. They are located on the front of the engine behind the grill. Not the > easiest things to get to. They were pitted and mildly corroded and gaped way out > to .027! We dressed them with a file and emery cloth and reset the gap. I took it > out and worked the crap out of it and when it was warmed up I could not get it to > act up at all. I am thinking this may have the problem licked. Kohler uses point gap to set the timing, it has battery ignition and the gap is not critical to the firing. There should be a timing mark on the flywheel, visible through a hole in the cover, widening the gap advances the timing. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA. From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Oct 13 18:41:46 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:41:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] belt dressing, now damar In-Reply-To: <004501c4b180$317507a0$9b5c14d0@net.telenet.net> References: <000e01c4b131$d4752f60$bcc68890@chaos> <416D807A.4060807@udata.com> <004501c4b180$317507a0$9b5c14d0@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <354302DC-1D82-11D9-8B65-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> It's a fossil resin dug out of the ground in Africa, as is copal. Kind of like amber. All of these have been dug and ground up by the thousands of tons to make old fashioned oil varnish, before the development of the synthetic resins. For varnish, they're molten and blended with drying oils like linseed and thinned with turpentine or mineral spirits. Castor oil, with which the damar was to be mixed in the belt dressing recipe, gets sticky and gummy but never dries the way boiled linseed oil does. Raw linseed oil stays gummy and would likely be a good substitute for castor oil, which has gotten hard to find in bulk these days. Rosin would be a direct substitute for damar for this purpose. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From alanb2 at webtv.net Wed Oct 13 18:56:27 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:56:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales In-Reply-To: "Jeff Allen" 's message of Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:38:18 -0600 Message-ID: <20440-416DDCCB-1624@storefull-3276.bay.webtv.net> Hi Folks, How about silly things spectators have said to us? At the first Buckley, Michigan show after the Medina, Ohio tragedy I had my 1 1/2HP TG Cushman Model 21 Type X running sweetly. Her water was boiling a bit and putting off steam. Now,,, I am a guy that always is ready to listen to the wise words of the older guys that come by so when that old feller stopped I was waiting to learn some interesting new fact,,,,,, He pointed at Cushy and asked me, "Aren't you afraid that steam engine will blow up like that one in Ohio did?" He really did look worried like he thought I shouldn't be running it. I couldn't help it,,,,, I told him, "Oh, I know,,, Wasn't that terrible? That is why I cut that hole in the top of the boiler. Now it can only make steam. It can't build up any pressure." He just shook his head like he understood and moved on. This year I had a guy ask me why these engines weren't still used more. He said he has watched H&M engines run all day on the little bit of gas in the glass thing on top of the engine. 8>)) This guy was 55-60 years old. I tipped one of my engines over and showed him the gas tank under the base and told him how the drops of oil lubricated the piston and dropped through the hole to lube the wrist pin. I had a rod and piston out of the engine I was working on. I figure they were both City Slickers. The one this year had been snookered by someone in the past real good. Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Oct 13 19:14:13 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:14:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] NHMA - gonna alienate a lot of the snivelers - SO WHAT In-Reply-To: <002f01c4b187$cc735bb0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <200410140214.i9E2EbBu058708@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > want to watch your buddy, (flame suits on), debate himself, > and then listen to Bush's reply. :-)) Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever side you're on, you've got to admit that Kerry is mopping the floor with Bush. It's like watching a boxing match, you know... when the fighters aren't all that good, and you think, "Hell! I could kick that guy's butt!" Rob P.S. See you on the Slick Willy List! From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 13 19:21:48 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:21:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to Talk to Electrician Off List Message-ID: <000801c4b194$913c97c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Would like to talk to an electrician Off List please! Paul From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Oct 13 19:28:04 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:28:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] NHMA - gonna alienate a lot of the snivelers - SO WHAT In-Reply-To: <002f01c4b187$cc735bb0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> References: <200410131532.i9DFWvQo024657@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002f01c4b187$cc735bb0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: On the excessive litigation issue, here's something interesting I just ran across today: http://www.truestellaawards.com/ John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed Oct 13 19:41:47 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:41:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA References: <20041013.115201.872.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <000f01c4b197$5af80c00$5c6f29cb@oemcomputer> OK! EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 1:30 Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA > Sorry - > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - > \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:23:03 +1000 "Edd Payne" > writes: > > How do you work out that this is of topic.It is all related to > > showing > > engines or can't you comprehend this.As far as I know isn't this > > list about > > engines. > > EDD PAYNE > > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > > 0263742387 > > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 1:30 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA > > > > > > > All this talk about Free Speech - Fences - Insurance - - - Etc. > > > > > > And - - - I got balled out for being off topic because I asked > > about a 9V > > > flashlight. > > > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > > jlb94 at juno.com > > > ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - > > > \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." > > > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Certified virus free. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. From solarrog at pacbell.net Wed Oct 13 19:57:02 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:57:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hot seat off topic References: <200410140214.i9E2EbBu058708@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <019e01c4b199$7b0b7e80$21f1af40@solar> Maybe if you count misinformation as a mop Go read unfit to comand I have seen the F-911 movie and read The book Truth is I dont like either of them. but Heather Locklear isnt running. Id buy that for a dollar. RogerFrom: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 7:14 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] NHMA - gonna alienate a lot of the snivelers - SO WHAT > > > want to watch your buddy, (flame suits on), debate himself, > > and then listen to Bush's reply. :-)) > > Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever side you're on, you've got to admit that Kerry is > mopping the floor with Bush. It's like watching a boxing match, you know... > when the fighters aren't all that good, and you think, "Hell! I could kick that > guy's butt!" > > Rob > > P.S. > See you on the Slick Willy List! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 13 20:14:46 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Slick Message-ID: <20041014031446.29974.qmail@web20224.mail.yahoo.com> Well, since I keep getting all this BULLSHIT that belongs on Slick Willy, I'm outta here. I get enough of the political crap elsewhere without receiving it in suppository form here. Joe ===== Joe Prindle Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI www.badgersteamandgas.com Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 ***************** "Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" Old Irish Proverb ****************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From fsarm at netnitco.net Wed Oct 13 20:23:35 2004 From: fsarm at netnitco.net (Fred Armstrong) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:23:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bessemer Building Message-ID: <003201c4b19d$3cfcd180$ad6d0b42@netnitco> Great news! Just got back from NIHPA club meeting and it was decided to pursue construction of a building to permanently house the club's Bessemer engine (50hp). What is needed now is an idea for the design of the building which can be built economically. Would like to make the building large enough to accomodate two or three engines, possibly with one engine powering a mill and another a line shaft. Is there a registered Architect/Engineer on the list with license to stamp drawings in Indiana that would like to assist with this project? Does anyone have plans or ideas on such a building? Before the project is 100% go, we will need to present plans before the County Park Foundation for their blessing. Fred Armstrong From carrowor2002 at att.net Wed Oct 13 17:46:22 2004 From: carrowor2002 at att.net (Robert Jacobs) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:46:22 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales References: <002001c4b186$19f83f10$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <416DCC5E.000003.02600@NOTEBOOK> Jeff said: What the hell was I thinking came to my mind. Lesson learned with little damage, and my "buddy" rolling on the floor laughing. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA Ditto Jeff LOL, I never before realized what a wonderful sheer a piston in a cylinder is!!! I too, was fortunate enough to retain the finger, but have two permanent marks on it from embedded grease/carbon and the few times I've had to take someone else to the emergency room the darned dr. still holds his sides from laughter!!! Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From carrowor2002 at att.net Wed Oct 13 19:05:33 2004 From: carrowor2002 at att.net (Robert Jacobs) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:05:33 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales References: <20440-416DDCCB-1624@storefull-3276.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <416DDEED.000001.03444@NOTEBOOK> >This year I had a guy ask me why these engines weren't still used more. >He said he has watched H&M engines run all day on the little bit of gas >in the glass thing on top of the engine. 8>) ????SAY WHAT??????? Isn't that where the gas goes????? Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From adamcottrill at telstra.com Thu Oct 14 04:03:52 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:03:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] National Rally - my resignation Message-ID: Hi Everyone, throughout my recent time as Safety Co-ordinator for the National I have tried my very best to be fair and answer all questions to the best of my ability and still keep the hobby and exhibitors at heart The responses I have given are of the information I have given or interpreted from those above me. And I have stuck my neck out serveral times to seek change for what I believe to be the benefit of the national and hobby overall. However It has come to my attention that at least one club has complained to the NHMA or Rally Committe about my actions thus far and stated they will not be attending the rally if I am present as Safety Officer. They have also likened me to the Safety Officer who at the Bussleton National was found to launch empty coke cans from exhusts of engines to see how far they would go. I have no idea which club this is or how infact what actions I have done previously could have even remotly likened me to the above mentioned Safety Officer, but I feel having run rallys (including tractor pulls)as safety officer for almost the last 10 years with out accident, complication, rocket launches or dispute is something I should be proud of and infact I am! And therefore it is my beleif that it is in the best interests of everyone concerned that I step down as Safety Co-odinator of the 10th National Rally which I will formally do at the committe meeting next Thursday evening. As the end result of the rally depends on as many people attending as possible both exhibitors and public. My opinion is anything that may threaten this core requirement needs to be removed immediately. I have enjoyed myself 100% in my time with the National Committee and having input into the Natonal and I wish them all the very best and I still remain open to anyone and indeed the National Committee who needs assitance in regards to the safety side of our fantastic hobby. Any questions related directly to the National Rally from now on are to be directed to Mr Julian Price who's contact information is on the National Flyers and home page Regards, Adam Cottrill From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Oct 14 04:26:11 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:26:11 +0800 Subject: [SEL] re your resignation Adam Message-ID: <000d01c4b1e0$9f2e9f80$f7a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Adam ....don't let them beat you ,stick to your guns. This is very much akin to some that happened over your side a couple of years ago . If the unnamed club doesn't like it then they should stay away from the National. Re that safety officer at Busselton , is that an urban myth or did that really happen....I was there but never heard of it. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Oct 14 04:39:05 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:39:05 +0800 Subject: [SEL] engine signs and club badges Message-ID: <001301c4b1e2$6c5f80e0$f7a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> In the latest TOMMS there is an editorial regarding the type of information signs we put on our engines at shows . Some i have seen are what you would call minimalist ,just the makers name. Others give a fair amount of interesting detail ,i.e. name ,where the engine came from,a brief description of the restoration details. I don't believe in uniformity as some in my club do . By this I mean the name of the club and the bare details , not much interest for the public there . But don't forget to make your font large , remember they are peering over a FENCE. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Oct 14 04:41:32 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 04:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] National Rally - my resignation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16681.165.206.180.118.1097754092.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Anyone who has not launched a Coke can or tennis ball from the exhaust of a large engine just to watch it fly - raise their hand, er, type "not me". OK, not that I agree with everything Adam has ever said, but gee, I'd like to know what their beef is to make them "threaten" to not show if he's there. Hmmmmm, now if his name was Dave Kalsam, I know many many people who said they would not show at Waukee if he was show director so I know it happens, however, he rubbed a lot of folks the wrong way, and is thus no longer show director at Waukee (so all you folks staying away because of how things were - he is no longer director, his wife no longer club president, so come on back! It's fun again!) Bill > > Hi Everyone, > throughout my recent time as Safety Co-ordinator for the > National I have tried my very best to be fair and answer all > questions to the best of my ability and still keep the hobby > and exhibitors at heart > > The responses I have given are of the information I have given or > interpreted from those above me. And I have stuck my neck out serveral > times to seek change for what I believe to be the benefit of the national > and hobby overall. > > However It has come to my attention that at least one club has complained > to the NHMA or Rally Committe about my actions thus far and stated they > will not be attending the rally if I am present as Safety Officer. > > They have also likened me to the Safety Officer who at the Bussleton > National was found to launch empty coke cans from exhusts of engines to > see how far they would go. > > I have no idea which club this is or how infact what actions I have done > previously could have even remotly likened me to the above mentioned > Safety Officer, but I feel having run rallys (including tractor pulls)as > safety officer for almost the last 10 years with out accident, > complication, rocket launches or dispute is something I should be proud of > and infact I am! > > And therefore it is my beleif that it is in the best interests of everyone > concerned that I step down as Safety Co-odinator of the 10th National > Rally which I will formally do at the committe meeting next Thursday > evening. As the end result of the rally depends on as many people > attending as possible both exhibitors and public. My opinion is anything > that may threaten this core requirement needs to be removed immediately. > > I have enjoyed myself 100% in my time with the National Committee and > having input into the Natonal and I wish them all the very best and I > still remain open to anyone and indeed the National Committee who needs > assitance in regards to the safety side of our fantastic hobby. > > Any questions related directly to the National Rally from now on are to be > directed to Mr Julian Price who's contact information is on the National > Flyers and home page > > Regards, > Adam Cottrill > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Oct 14 04:44:54 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 04:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales In-Reply-To: <416DDEED.000001.03444@NOTEBOOK> References: <20440-416DDCCB-1624@storefull-3276.bay.webtv.net> <416DDEED.000001.03444@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <16718.165.206.180.118.1097754294.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Dunno HOW many times I've heard that one from folks - and even "old timers" calling them "steam engines". Yikes! An insult to us gas guys AND to the steam fellers! Quite a few, however, actually do ask "so where do you put the gas" when they walk up. They are showing some smarts and the desire to learn more. On the other hand - does anyone ever catch Jay Leno's Jaywalking? As Jay himself has said, Americans are really quite dumb. Bill > > > > >>This year I had a guy ask me why these engines weren't still used more. >>He said he has watched H&M engines run all day on the little bit of gas >>in the glass thing on top of the engine. 8>) > > ????SAY WHAT??????? > Isn't that where the gas goes????? > > > Bob > Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, > others just use the initials! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Oct 14 05:23:23 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:23:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Slick OT In-Reply-To: <20041014031446.29974.qmail@web20224.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041014031446.29974.qmail@web20224.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <416E6FBB.2050100@imc-group.com> Joe, Dude chill some! If memory serves me I only recall a handful of political comments on this list this year in advance of the election. Nothing at all like the election 4 years ago when the list got plain nasty and about 60% political. Considering all the crap you have dished out in the past directly aimed at several list members all "in the name of fun to imagine them squirming" (your words) I would hope your skin was thick enough to endure a few short comments ridiculing your lame Democratic candidate. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Joe Prindle wrote: >Well, since I keep getting all this BULLSHIT that belongs on Slick Willy, >I'm outta here. I get enough of the political crap elsewhere without >receiving it in suppository form here. >Joe > >===== >Joe Prindle >Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI >www.badgersteamandgas.com > > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu Oct 14 05:34:23 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:34:23 +0100 Subject: [SEL] National Rally - my resignation References: <16681.165.206.180.118.1097754092.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Message-ID: <416E724F.7028F78D@insulate.co.uk> Hi Bill bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > Anyone who has not launched a Coke can or tennis ball from the exhaust of > a large engine just to watch it fly - raise their hand, er, type "not me". While we're in the mood for confessions, we got a small plastic pop bottle right over the top of Abbey Pumping Station with Tillie last year. I will add that this activity was conducted "after hours" while the head curator of the museum was using the PA system to play his favourite Monty Python tunes. Including that well known sing-along one, The Penis Song. Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Thu Oct 14 05:42:08 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:42:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] National Rally - my resignation References: Message-ID: <003a01c4b1eb$3aa46620$291e31cb@oemcomputer> Sorry to here that you are doing this.There seems to be people who want to interpret rules and make things hard for us people who just want to have fun with our engines.I hope my comments of late didn't offend you as they weren't directed at you as I know you were only passing on what you have been directed to do by your committee.Maybe the club in question should direct there intension to the person or persons who fired the bullets that you are now having to duck EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:03 Subject: [SEL] National Rally - my resignation > Hi Everyone, > throughout my recent time as Safety Co-ordinator for the National I have tried my very best to be fair and answer all questions to the best of my ability and still keep the hobby and exhibitors at heart > I From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Oct 14 06:12:37 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:12:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] National Rally - my resignation References: Message-ID: <004601c4b1ef$7ab997e0$db4b1fd3@km> Adam Never met you and looking forward to fix that at the National, all your responses to the flack we have been firing lately were sincerely welcomed, it has been great that someone on this list has the contacts with the National committee to air what some of the hobby really think. I ask you to rethink your decision and fight for your job even if no one seems to give you thanks, We all must live with our past but you say "the NHMA or Rally Committee" so I assume you don't know the details wait and find out, and if your committee of the 10th National Rally is fair dinkem then they will stick by you and tell the unnamed club not to worry about attending. After all if you are not in that position we may not come either, so tell your committee that. hang in there Kerry PS. what law says you cannot fire a coke can, I did in the States and enjoyed it 8-)) Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines > > Hi Everyone, > throughout my recent time as Safety Co-ordinator for the National I have tried my very best to be fair and answer all questions to the best of my ability and still keep the hobby and exhibitors at heart > > The responses I have given are of the information I have given or interpreted from those above me. And I have stuck my neck out serveral times to seek change for what I believe to be the benefit of the national and hobby overall. > > However It has come to my attention that at least one club has complained to the NHMA or Rally Committe about my actions thus far and stated they will not be attending the rally if I am present as Safety Officer. > > They have also likened me to the Safety Officer who at the Bussleton National was found to launch empty coke cans from exhusts of engines to see how far they would go. > > I have no idea which club this is or how infact what actions I have done previously could have even remotly likened me to the above mentioned Safety Officer, but I feel having run rallys (including tractor pulls)as safety officer for almost the last 10 years with out accident, complication, rocket launches or dispute is something I should be proud of and infact I am! > > And therefore it is my beleif that it is in the best interests of everyone concerned that I step down as Safety Co-odinator of the 10th National Rally which I will formally do at the committe meeting next Thursday evening. As the end result of the rally depends on as many people attending as possible both exhibitors and public. My opinion is anything that may threaten this core requirement needs to be removed immediately. > > I have enjoyed myself 100% in my time with the National Committee and having input into the Natonal and I wish them all the very best and I still remain open to anyone and indeed the National Committee who needs assitance in regards to the safety side of our fantastic hobby. > > Any questions related directly to the National Rally from now on are to be directed to Mr Julian Price who's contact information is on the National Flyers and home page > > Regards, > Adam Cottrill > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Oct 14 06:35:51 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:35:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales References: <007701c4b149$32d1dd80$6401a8c0@shop><416D6FFC.000003.03328@NOTEBOOK> <416D83B2.4050105@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Gosh, where do I start? Lifted engines with chain thru and around flywheels. ~150 rockets to fix that :-)) Took the PO's word that it was timed. Wound up on the shop wall and shortly there after..reached terminal velocity just before the floor. "Damn, this thing wants to run..waahoo." My latest on the Gal Saw Outfit. When attaching the gov fork I tightened one bolt too tight and heard "that sinkin' feeling." Went into COMPLETE DENIAL and turned it around and did the same thing to the second bolt. Spud has built me a replacement along with that look dad used to give me. :-(( I'm sure there's others and more to come. Oh yea, asked the neighbor over idle conversation: "Which way do you think the engine turns on this saw outfit?" He said: "Look at the saw blade, dip$hit." later, RickinMt. From oldengineman at hotmail.com Thu Oct 14 10:05:20 2004 From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Pete Stauffer) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:05:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Keyway's (Maybe sorta kinda whatever OT) References: <000201c4b00c$552e99b0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><016a01c4b02c$bc068510$65218b90@userw32g91tqfi><000601c4b03d$fa5f26d0$8a63fea9@sweeper> <416BBB9E.FFDB89B9@insulate.co.uk> <004e01c4b05d$22af08c0$44a226ca@ogborneuah38i3><4023.165.206.180.118.1097595578.squirrel@165.206.180.118> <416C8DCE.8000207@udata.com> Message-ID: Hi Leroy, I checked my 3 GADE engines this morning before comming to work, and all 3 have the keyway in the crank at 90 degrees to the throw. Note however, the matching keyways in the flywheels are at 90 degrees from the counterweights. Thus the counterweights are opposite (180 degrees) from the crank throw. I sure don't know why GADE decided to do it this way, but they did! So go ahead and cut 'em in the model. Maybe someone else has more info. Pete Stauffer, oldengineman at hotmail.com Hidden deep in the hills of southern West Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy C." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:07 PM Subject: [SEL] Keyway's (Maybe sorta kinda whatever OT) > Gday, > As a few of you might now know I am building another model at this > time and I came to the part where you cut the keyway into the crank. > Guess what it is 90 degrees off the throws... I have played with a good > number of engins and seen a few more but this was a first, I contacted > the vendor and he assures me that all GADE engins where this way? WHY? > and do you know of any others that are not 180 out from the throw? Even > those with weights on the crank, that I have noticed, are 180 what is > the deal here? I set the crank into the fixture waiting to hear from the > vendor as I thought this might be his error and I was going to go the > 180 but he is set that it needs to be the 90. Now what? > > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Oct 14 07:40:46 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:40:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales Message-ID: <20041014.104046.948.1.jlb94@juno.com> I, in my then youthfull enthusiasim, stuck my right index finger into the ignitor hole and (need I say anymore)????? = = = = = = = What time is it Bob ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From EnginePaul at aol.com Thu Oct 14 10:47:19 2004 From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:47:19 EDT Subject: [SEL] Bessemer Building Message-ID: <148.35d11ebe.2ea015a7@aol.com> You might want to try a college architecture department. Most have architecture clubs associated and may like an opportunity to design something. Paul, Former Student, but still learning From yostsw at atis.net Thu Oct 14 13:59:32 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:59:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: STOVER ENGINE References: Message-ID: <200410141659320687.054B5D34@heavyiron.atis.net> Can some help this fellow? You will need to contact him directly at since he is not on the list Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** On 10/14/2004 at 2:47 PM jbaldwin at htva.net wrote: >I AM TRING TO FIND INFO ON A STOVER ENGINE I HAVE. CAN YOU HELP, OR CAN >YOU >REFER ME TO SOMEONE THAT CAN. THANK YOU JERRY E MAILjbaldwin at htva.net *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Oct 14 14:14:33 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:14:33 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables Message-ID: I am just drawing up a new lightweight 2-axle trailer that will fit inside the new van (with the drawbar removed) and the subject of breakaway chains and brake application safety cables was raised on one of the uk caravan (trailer home) newsgroups. I noticed at Portland that most guys use safety chains with electric brakes on their engine trailers, and overrun brakes are rarely used. What is the general feeling about safety chains and other forms of trailer retention after a tow hitch failure? In the UK, if we have a breakaway cable that pulls on the trailer brakes if it separates from the towing vehicle then we do not needs safety chains. I'm leaning towards fitting both on the new trailer and would appreciate any thoughts. The trailer is unbraked and 3/4 ton max gross weight. The drawbar is a single box section which is just under 9ft long, the trailer itself is just under 12ft long and will just about fill the van inside. Because of motorway (freeway) restrictions and tachograph requirements, it is easier when travelling back empty to carry the trailer inside than tow it, and on Ferry crossings like we do to Spain, it makes ?350 difference! Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Oct 14 14:47:40 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:47:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041014173840.02071490@mail.alltel.net> Hi Peter, >I am just drawing up a new lightweight 2-axle trailer that will fit inside the >new van (with the drawbar removed) Why in the hell would you want to do that? > and the subject of breakaway chains and brake >application safety cables was raised on one of the uk caravan (trailer home) >newsgroups. >I noticed at Portland that most guys use safety chains with electric brakes on >their engine trailers, and overrun brakes are rarely used. >What is the general feeling about safety chains and other forms of trailer >retention after a tow hitch failure? In the UK, if we have a breakaway cable >that pulls on the trailer brakes if it separates from the towing vehicle >then we >do not needs safety chains. We, here in the USA generally use BOTH safety chains AND a break-a-way cable if we have breaks on our trailer. Single axle trailers (usually) do no have breaks. >I'm leaning towards fitting both on the new trailer and would appreciate any >thoughts. > >The trailer is unbraked and 3/4 ton max gross weight. What the hell good is a 1500 lb. ton trailer? Here in the USA the lightest that we can licence is 3,000 lbs. If you have no brakes then use safety chains! >The drawbar is a single >box section which is just under 9ft long, the trailer itself is just under >12ft >long and will just about fill the van inside. Because of motorway (freeway) >restrictions and tachograph requirements, it is easier when travelling back >empty to carry the trailer inside than tow it, and on Ferry crossings like >we do >to Spain, it makes ?350 difference! I now understand why you want it to fit in your van! >Peter Dave PS, See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/trailer.html From jbcast at charter.net Thu Oct 14 16:09:53 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:09:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] fuel tank sealer-kwik poly Message-ID: <3h87rq$bn8u2r@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> I need some fuel tank sealer, I remember kwik poly changed names, is it still available, where, what name? Thanks, J.B. Castagnos From jdohagan at comcast.net Thu Oct 14 16:12:04 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:12:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Bessemer Building In-Reply-To: <003201c4b19d$3cfcd180$ad6d0b42@netnitco> Message-ID: <200410142312.i9ENC6l0062840@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Fred, First of all, build the biggest building you can afford and they will allow. You will fill it up fast enough. The steel buildings on concrete pads work well here in Ca. Our climate here is pretty stable in regard to expansion and contraction. Check with the steel building dealers, they probably can supply all the needed documents to satisfy the powers to be. Some times these same dealers have a building , that they will sell at a discount because the person that ordered it changed their mind and lost a substantial deposit. C Ya Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Fred Armstrong Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 8:24 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Bessemer Building Great news! Just got back from NIHPA club meeting and it was decided to pursue construction of a building to permanently house the club's Bessemer engine (50hp). What is needed now is an idea for the design of the building which can be built economically. Would like to make the building large enough to accomodate two or three engines, possibly with one engine powering a mill and another a line shaft. Is there a registered Architect/Engineer on the list with license to stamp drawings in Indiana that would like to assist with this project? Does anyone have plans or ideas on such a building? Before the project is 100% go, we will need to present plans before the County Park Foundation for their blessing. Fred Armstrong _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Oct 14 17:18:16 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:18:16 EDT Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales Message-ID: In a message dated 10/13/2004 10:00:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alanb2 at webtv.net writes: << How about silly things spectators have said to us? >> I have a "foot motor" which has a flywheel and is operated much like a treadle sewing machine. I have a big sign beside it FOOT MOTOR, the history of it, and tells the reader to feel free to operate it. Many spectators will walk by, see it running from the previous person, and ask "what makes it run?"!!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Oct 14 19:56:16 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:56:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] National Rally - my resignation References: Message-ID: <002c01c4b262$8accc030$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Adam, I have flamed you on the list, and I am not alone. I offer my sincere apology for doing so. I was not aware of your situation until this message. You are between a rock and a hard place, as we say in this country. Being between those that show and attend an event and the committee that makes the rules is not a place I would care to be in. You have been asked to enforce rules that many don't agree with, and have acted to make it known to those above you that there is a problem. For your work you have been flamed. You do care, and your resignation will be a loss for all in your country. It is clear that you are only the messenger, and have been shot for the delivery of the message. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 5:03 AM Subject: [SEL] National Rally - my resignation > > Hi Everyone, > throughout my recent time as Safety Co-ordinator for the > National I have tried my very best to be fair and answer all questions to > the best of my ability and still keep the hobby and exhibitors at heart > > The responses I have given are of the information I have given or > interpreted from those above me. And I have stuck my neck out serveral > times to seek change for what I believe to be the benefit of the national > and hobby overall. > > However It has come to my attention that at least one club has complained > to the NHMA or Rally Committe about my actions thus far and stated they > will not be attending the rally if I am present as Safety Officer. > > They have also likened me to the Safety Officer who at the Bussleton > National was found to launch empty coke cans from exhusts of engines to > see how far they would go. > > I have no idea which club this is or how infact what actions I have done > previously could have even remotly likened me to the above mentioned > Safety Officer, but I feel having run rallys (including tractor pulls)as > safety officer for almost the last 10 years with out accident, > complication, rocket launches or dispute is something I should be proud of > and infact I am! > > And therefore it is my beleif that it is in the best interests of everyone > concerned that I step down as Safety Co-odinator of the 10th National > Rally which I will formally do at the committe meeting next Thursday > evening. As the end result of the rally depends on as many people > attending as possible both exhibitors and public. My opinion is anything > that may threaten this core requirement needs to be removed immediately. > > I have enjoyed myself 100% in my time with the National Committee and > having input into the Natonal and I wish them all the very best and I > still remain open to anyone and indeed the National Committee who needs > assitance in regards to the safety side of our fantastic hobby. > > Any questions related directly to the National Rally from now on are to be > directed to Mr Julian Price who's contact information is on the National > Flyers and home page > > Regards, > Adam Cottrill > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Oct 14 15:17:02 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:17:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales References: <007701c4b149$32d1dd80$6401a8c0@shop><416D6FFC.000003.03328@NOTEBOOK><416D83B2.4050105@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00ed01c4b263$e6d8f0a0$d2111bd3@athlon> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" > Oh yea, asked the neighbor over idle conversation: "Which way do you think > the engine turns on this saw outfit?" He said: "Look at the saw blade, > dip$hit." It was a drag saw wasnt it? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From yostsw at atis.net Thu Oct 14 20:29:59 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:29:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] John Blue tractors References: <001c01c4a822$6674edb0$0100a8c0@George> Message-ID: <200410142329590140.06B0D2C9@heavyiron.atis.net> Herb Metz of the AT list asked that I cross post this to this list(and other) lists,. Thanks and please direct any replies to the email address in Herb note. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From: Herbert Metz To: AT at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:22 PM Subject: Re: John Blue tractors A John Blue tractor was exhibited at Canandaigua, N.Y. An antique tractor friend, loydearles at aol.com, recently bought this John Blue tractor (very similar to Allis G except 20 years newer, 10% larger, blue, etc). Loyd is interested in developing a list of current John Blue tractor owners. Less than 100 tractors were produced one year in the mid 1970's, as remembered by one of todays management. Today the company is part of CDS-John Blue, and continues in operation in Huntsville, Alabama; principal products are pumps, sprayers, etc. I offered assisting Loyd by sending this email to AT list members. So, if you or a friend have (or know of) a John Blue tractor, Loyd would appreciate your contacting him. Also appreciated (by me) would be someone sharing the above with the IHC list and the JD list and the SE list. I have seen one John Blue at a show several years ago; in Eagleville, TN (40 miles south of Nashville), if memory serves? Herbert Metz From pwaugh at mchsi.com Thu Oct 14 16:10:31 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:10:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041014173840.02071490@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001f01c4b243$05446d60$d778b4a6@PaulLaptop> Dave wrote > We, here in the USA generally use BOTH safety chains AND a break-a-way > cable if we have breaks on our trailer. Single axle trailers (usually) do > no have breaks. > on tandem axles they have one brake axle, DOT requires safety chains on all trailers and break away battery cable on tandem axle campers .. break away cable do work, least has for me so far .. just my 2 cents .. guess said same Dave said Paul Waugh From gibsongus at myway.com Thu Oct 14 22:08:36 2004 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 01:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] fuel tank sealer-kwik poly Message-ID: <20041015050836.36E5039BA@mprdmxin.myway.com> JB. any good motorcycle shop has it.-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Thu 10/14, < jbcast at charter.net > wrote: From: [mailto: jbcast at charter.net]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:09:53 +0000Subject: [SEL] fuel tank sealer-kwik poly I need some fuel tank sealer, I remember kwik poly changed names, is it still available, where, what name?Thanks,J.B. Castagnos_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Oct 14 22:47:07 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 06:47:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041014173840.02071490@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041014173840.02071490@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:47:40 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Peter, >>I am just drawing up a new lightweight 2-axle trailer that will fit inside the >>new van (with the drawbar removed) >Why in the hell would you want to do that? You've answered that one already, Dave, by reading the end of the post, but it's worth pointing out that we have some pretty arcane reg's here in the UK, and this gets round a lot of them for us. >We, here in the USA generally use BOTH safety chains AND a break-a-way >cable if we have breaks on our trailer. Single axle trailers (usually) do >no have breaks. Any reason for the ewxemption for single-axle? is it based on lower gross weight? >What the hell good is a 1500 lb. ton trailer? Here in the USA the lightest >that we can licence is 3,000 lbs. If you have no brakes then use safety chains! It seems small to you guys because you have much larger ratings and vehicles to pull them. Over here, the average US F250 long wheelbase crewcab would be an embarassment in some small towns and villages (but GREAT on the freeways!) 3/4 ton is quite useful in fact, as it covers the likes of Arnie's Fat Bastard engine and trailer for example, but we also have a 2.6 tonne trailer that we use for bigger stuff. To go any higher would need something different in the way of towing vehicle. >I now understand why you want it to fit in your van! Yup, that's a big incentive :-)0 >>Peter > Dave >PS, See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/trailer.html Had a look at that a few times since you put it up. Would like to get electric brakes over here, but very few people carry them and they are not type approved as far as I can find out from retailers. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From lfevans at pacbell.net Thu Oct 14 23:22:41 2004 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:22:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] fuel tank sealer-kwik poly In-Reply-To: <3h87rq$bn8u2r@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3h87rq$bn8u2r@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20041014231922.02303ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> J.B....... Per some recent info from Rob Skinner it is now called Xtreme Poly (or XP2000 per there web site). See http://www.xp2000.com/ Regards, Larry At 04:09 PM 10/14/2004, you wrote: >I need some fuel tank sealer, I remember kwik poly changed names, is it >still available, where, what name? >Thanks, >J.B. Castagnos > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Oct 15 04:19:18 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 07:19:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041014173840.02071490@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041015070758.020bb8a0@mail.alltel.net> >Any reason for the ewxemption for single-axle? is it based on lower gross >weight? It is regulated state by state, but here in PA (and I think the rest of the nation) anything under 3,000 lbs does not need brakes. I know a few people who have them on 3,000 lb trailers, but that's optional and not required by law. > >PS, See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/trailer.html > >Had a look at that a few times since you put it up. Would like to get electric >brakes over here, but very few people carry them and they are not type >approved >as far as I can find out from retailers. >Peter I'd check with the governmental agency that is in charge of such things if I were you. Don't trust someone who does not carry the item to tell you the truth on their legality! Dave PS, I haul my 15 HP Domestic (4,300 lbs. total weight) behind my F250 without brakes on it. Don't take it real far--1,000 mi show is about the farthest I ever go with it. Probably should have brakes in it, but since it's a "dedicated trailer" there is no licence required for it, and thus no brakes are required. From curt at imc-group.com Fri Oct 15 05:14:08 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:14:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching In-Reply-To: <16681.165.206.180.118.1097754092.squirrel@165.206.180.118> References: <16681.165.206.180.118.1097754092.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Message-ID: <416FBF10.5080704@imc-group.com> bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >Anyone who has not launched a Coke can or tennis ball from the exhaust of >a large engine just to watch it fly - raise their hand, er, type "not me". > > Bill, Like you, some of my best old engine times have been launching cans and bottles to the delight of kids. I use to drag the 6Hp Herc out in the driveway and aim the long 5' exhaust stack toward the neighbors yard. A group of kids would congregate and for hours would chase and fetch the bottle only to be reloaded again. At Portland a couple of years ago I launched a small tight fitting can from the Abbey exhaust pipe to the delight of a large collection of Amish boys. They also were eager to fetch the can where ever the currents carried it. Engine can & ball launching is an experience not to be missed nor will ever be forgotten by all the kids that see it. What we make fun for today's kids will nurture future engine hobbyists. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 15 05:27:24 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 06:27:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales References: <007701c4b149$32d1dd80$6401a8c0@shop><416D6FFC.000003.03328@NOTEBOOK><416D83B2.4050105@imc-group.com> <00ed01c4b263$e6d8f0a0$d2111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: No such luck Reg. It's on my circular saw outfit. I am looking for a drag saw tho. later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > Oh yea, asked the neighbor over idle > conversation: > "Which way do you think > > the engine turns on this saw outfit?" He said: "Look at the saw blade, > > dip$hit." > > It was a drag saw wasnt it? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From prepair at easynet.co.uk Fri Oct 15 06:18:17 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:18:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041015070758.020bb8a0@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041014173840.02071490@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041015070758.020bb8a0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 07:19:18 -0400, you wrote: > >>Any reason for the ewxemption for single-axle? is it based on lower gross >>weight? >It is regulated state by state, but here in PA (and I think the rest of the >nation) anything under 3,000 lbs does not need brakes. I know a few people >who have them on 3,000 lb trailers, but that's optional and not required by >law. But your vehicle gross weights are far higher for everyday pickups etc than ours. Anything over 3500kg (3.5 metric tonnes) gross is classed as a light truck (and handles like one!) >> >PS, See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/trailer.html >> >>Had a look at that a few times since you put it up. Would like to get electric >>brakes over here, but very few people carry them and they are not type >>approved >>as far as I can find out from retailers. >>Peter > >I'd check with the governmental agency that is in charge of such things if >I were you. Don't trust someone who does not carry the item to tell you the >truth on their legality! > Dave It is a fact, I checked the Construction & use reg's this week. Until there is a volume demand for them, and they compete with overrun or push brakes they won't sell them. >PS, I haul my 15 HP Domestic (4,300 lbs. total weight) behind my F250 >without brakes on it. Don't take it real far--1,000 mi show is about the >farthest I ever go with it. Probably should have brakes in it, but since >it's a "dedicated trailer" there is no licence required for it, and thus no >brakes are required. I think we have a similar dispensation but only for driving hours reg's, not for Construction & use etc. Appreciate the feedback, Dave, many thanks. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 15 07:03:15 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:03:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041014173840.02071490@mail.alltel.net><6.1.2.0.0.20041015070758.020bb8a0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Peter, we're required here in Montana to have chain(s). I've seen one and two used. The nice thing about two is that you can cross them and then hook them up. If the hitch ever comes off the ball, the tongue will not dig into the ground. Course they have to be the right length. I have been told that this is a requirement in some states, but can't reference it. Take Care, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prepair Ltd" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables > On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 07:19:18 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >>Any reason for the ewxemption for single-axle? is it based on lower > >>gross > >>weight? > >It is regulated state by state, but here in PA (and I think the rest of > >the > >nation) anything under 3,000 lbs does not need brakes. I know a few > >people > >who have them on 3,000 lb trailers, but that's optional and not required > >by > >law. > > But your vehicle gross weights are far higher for everyday pickups etc > than ours. Anything over 3500kg (3.5 metric tonnes) gross is classed > as a light truck (and handles like one!) > > >> >PS, See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/trailer.html > >> > >>Had a look at that a few times since you put it up. Would like to get > >>electric > >>brakes over here, but very few people carry them and they are not type > >>approved > >>as far as I can find out from retailers. > >>Peter > > > >I'd check with the governmental agency that is in charge of such things > >if > >I were you. Don't trust someone who does not carry the item to tell you > >the > >truth on their legality! > > Dave > > It is a fact, I checked the Construction & use reg's this week. Until > there is a volume demand for them, and they compete with overrun or > push brakes they won't sell them. > > >PS, I haul my 15 HP Domestic (4,300 lbs. total weight) behind my F250 > >without brakes on it. Don't take it real far--1,000 mi show is about the > >farthest I ever go with it. Probably should have brakes in it, but since > >it's a "dedicated trailer" there is no licence required for it, and thus > >no > >brakes are required. > > I think we have a similar dispensation but only for driving hours > reg's, not for Construction & use etc. > > Appreciate the feedback, Dave, many thanks. > > > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK > prepair at easynet.co.uk > http://www.prepair.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 15 08:01:40 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:01:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] fuel tank sealer-kwik poly References: <3h87rq$bn8u2r@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: J.B., If you can put it off for a day, I just got a quart of a 1 PART tank sealer. Never heard of it before. A local farm machinery owner/mechanic of over 30 years sold it to me. I poured it all into my ~3 gallon Gal tank and rolled it around for 15 minutes or so and drained it back into the can. Got about 90% of it back and will do it again after 24 hours has elapsed. He swears by it and say's it's a tank within a tank. Put the lid back on the quart and put 'er back up on the shelf. It can be thinned with MEK later on if needed. 25 rockets for a quart. Smells like the good ole yellow tubed "Seal-All" that's been around since I was a kid. One smell and you're goona go somewhere. Don't know where, but you're gonna go somewhere I know they have a website..will get back to the list later today. Rickin lalaland ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 5:09 PM Subject: [SEL] fuel tank sealer-kwik poly > I need some fuel tank sealer, I remember kwik poly changed names, is it > still available, where, what name? > Thanks, > J.B. Castagnos > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Fri Oct 15 08:09:09 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (diesel at easynet.co.uk) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:09:09 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041014173840.02071490@mail.alltel.net><6.1.2.0.0.20041015070758.020bb8a0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <1097852948.416fe814f41d0@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> Quoting Richard Strobel : > Peter, we're required here in Montana to have chain(s). I've seen one and > two used. The nice thing about two is that you can cross them and then hook > > them up. If the hitch ever comes off the ball, the tongue will not dig into > > the ground. Course they have to be the right length. I have been told that > this is a requirement in some states, but can't reference it. > > Take Care, > RickinMt. I did notice that on a couple of rigs I saw over there this year, probably at Tulare in April. Because the European industry tends to rely on overrun braking systems and break-away brake applications, there are no hard points provided for attaching chains, although I did notice a small loop on the new van towbar. The other option is to make a plate up with loops or hooks and bolt it between the tow ball and the towbar. It's pretty unlikely that you'll lose a ball off the bar, so I don't feel too uncomfortable about doing it that way. We don't have a removable tow hitch as such, so the hard point for the ball is the actual towbar rear face. I prefer the idea of both breakaway and chains, it's just implementing them and keeping safe at the same time. I've never had a trailer or caravan go awol yet, and hope not to have to live through the experience! :-)) Peter -- Peter Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel --------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.easynetdial.co.uk From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 14 10:05:28 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:05:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales References: <007701c4b149$32d1dd80$6401a8c0@shop><416D6FFC.000003.03328@NOTEBOOK> <416D83B2.4050105@imc-group.com> <416D8EE5.7DC512AD@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <000001c4b2ca$5f5ec200$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> , one of them > resorted to tasting the fuel ... they'd had paraffin in the petrol engine. > is this an offshoot of the obsolete medical profession of Uroscopy ? > 3) You know what it's like when you are starting an engine - spend any time > doing it and you soon have an interested crowd watching. Now make the > location Portland, and the engine a certain well known half-breed and you can > imagine the size of the crowd. There was a similar sized crowd up on the > trailers, working up a communal sweat, scratching heads etc. Finally, someone > leaned over from the far side and said "Is the gas turned on?" was that me ? Gosh where did all these good times go ? further south : What was it about 98 degrees that morning ? It was still before lunch so it hadnt broke 100 yet and I am cranking my ass off on my Reid with a crowd gathering . I stop and lean on the truck whilst the civies survey the situation . After regaining the ability to stand upright , I see that big pipe cap still screwed onto my inlet tube . (raincap) Unscrewed it , flicked her once and BAM ...........BAM ......BAM...BAMABAMABAM . Nobody noticed what I had done ! Favorite would be from the 3rd grader to the Maytag dude " Well , if you didnt have electricity or clothes driers ............................... how did you dry your clothes ? Vicariuosly experienced through SEL . but not to hear me tell it at work ;-) The Chuck From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Oct 15 09:08:15 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:08:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041014173840.02071490@mail.alltel.net><6.1.2.0.0.20041015070758.020bb8a0@mail.alltel.net> <1097852948.416fe814f41d0@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> Message-ID: <002c01c4b2d1$30eb4310$ad44e5d8@gary> Hi Peter, When I last built a tandem axle trailer I put brakes on both axles. I have pulled some pretty heavy loads with this trailer and knowing I have brakes on each axle is a comforting feeling. Going down a long steep hill here in the Ozarks with a load of wet sand I can use the trailer brakes to stop the truck. The trailer is all steel with 23" sides on a 5' x 10' frame. The point I really wanted to make is that safety chains are always a pain to store when not in use. I solved that problem by welding a link of chain on each side of the tongue A frame back toward the trailer box at 90* to the rail of the A frame. This gives me a place to hook the S hook in for storage. This way the chains are up off the ground and not just wrapped around the A frame arms. They look neater and don't rust as bad. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables > Quoting Richard Strobel : > > > Peter, we're required here in Montana to have chain(s). I've seen one and > > two used. The nice thing about two is that you can cross them and then hook > > > > them up. If the hitch ever comes off the ball, the tongue will not dig into > > > > the ground. Course they have to be the right length. I have been told that > > this is a requirement in some states, but can't reference it. > > > > Take Care, > > RickinMt. > > I did notice that on a couple of rigs I saw over there this year, probably at > Tulare in April. > > Because the European industry tends to rely on overrun braking systems and > break-away brake applications, there are no hard points provided for attaching > chains, although I did notice a small loop on the new van towbar. > > The other option is to make a plate up with loops or hooks and bolt it between > the tow ball and the towbar. It's pretty unlikely that you'll lose a ball off > the bar, so I don't feel too uncomfortable about doing it that way. We don't > have a removable tow hitch as such, so the hard point for the ball is the actual > towbar rear face. > > I prefer the idea of both breakaway and chains, it's just implementing them and > keeping safe at the same time. I've never had a trailer or caravan go awol yet, > and hope not to have to live through the experience! :-)) > > Peter > -- > > Peter Forbes > diesel at easynet.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > --------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through http://www.easynetdial.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From cgandree at mchsi.com Fri Oct 15 03:33:51 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:33:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: STOVER ENGINE Message-ID: <101520041033.20062.4932@mchsi.com> Spencer, Be glad to help Jerry with some history on his Stover engine. Just to let you and anyone else know I have access to the orginal Stover sales/shipping records and if anyone else on the list needs info just send me there serial numbers. I am in the process of duplicating the orginal ledgers to micro film for my local club in Freeport, Illinois (Stover Company birth place). Curt Andree > Can some help this fellow? You will need to contact him directly at > since he is not on the list > > Spencer Yost > Owner, ATIS > Plow the Net! > http://www.atis.net > > > *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** > > On 10/14/2004 at 2:47 PM jbaldwin at htva.net wrote: > > >I AM TRING TO FIND INFO ON A STOVER ENGINE I HAVE. CAN YOU HELP, OR CAN > >YOU > >REFER ME TO SOMEONE THAT CAN. THANK YOU JERRY E > MAILjbaldwin at htva.net > > *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Fri Oct 15 10:42:41 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:42:41 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables In-Reply-To: <002c01c4b2d1$30eb4310$ad44e5d8@gary> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041014173840.02071490@mail.alltel.net><6.1.2.0.0.20041015070758.020bb8a0@mail.alltel.net> <1097852948.416fe814f41d0@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> <002c01c4b2d1$30eb4310$ad44e5d8@gary> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:08:15 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Peter, > >When I last built a tandem axle trailer I put brakes on both axles. I have >pulled some pretty heavy loads with this trailer and knowing I have brakes >on each axle is a comforting feeling. What would be the advantage (if any, we don't see single-axle braking out of two here much) of just braking one axle ? I don't think we 'can't' do it, but I'd be interested to see if there is a good reason behind it. >Going down a long steep hill here in >the Ozarks with a load of wet sand I can use the trailer brakes to stop the >truck. The trailer is all steel with 23" sides on a 5' x 10' frame. The >point I really wanted to make is that safety chains are always a pain to >store when not in use. I solved that problem by welding a link of chain on >each side of the tongue A frame back toward the trailer box at 90* to the >rail of the A frame. This gives me a place to hook the S hook in for >storage. This way the chains are up off the ground and not just wrapped >around the A frame arms. They look neater and don't rust as bad. Use stainless steel chain: we've had a bit for chaining our trailer to a tree in the front of the house for many years, and always looks nice and doesn't leave rust marks anywhere. Stainless is getting almost as cheap as mild steel now, especially in standard fasteners where plated stuff is starting to creep very close to stainless. I like the storage idea, I'll have some thinking to do... :-)) >Gary Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Oct 15 12:02:06 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:02:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041014173840.02071490@mail.alltel.net><6.1.2.0.0.20041015070758.020bb8a0@mail.alltel.net><1097852948.416fe814f41d0@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk><002c01c4b2d1$30eb4310$ad44e5d8@gary> Message-ID: <003d01c4b2e9$7aef8c60$ad44e5d8@gary> I suppose the only advantage of brakes on one axle only is lower cost to the builder. For the add'l $100.00 or so I would prefer the added safety advantage of brakes on both axles. Some states require brakes on tandem axle trailers, while I understand a few don't. I believe some states require brakes on each axle. I have a 16' flatbed tandem axle trailer with brakes on just one axle and I have carried some pretty good loads on it, ie a couple of different John Deere D tractors (one at a time). The "D" weighs about 5000 lbs. The one axle brakes worked very well. This was at both freeway speeds and slower two lane Ozark Mtn. roads. When you see a trailer for sale advertised with brakes, either new or used, you must determine whether it has brakes on both axles, only one axle, or none at all. Trailers, identical except for brakes are manufactured and sold for hiway use and for farm use. Farm trailers used behind tractors or farm pickups usually don't have brakes. It is a short step to thinking of a trailer behind a heavy tractor moving a slow speeds to pulling it with a farm pickup and running down the road at higher speed. I was unhappy when I found that my flatbed trailer has brakes on only one axle, but I bought it anyway because of an immediate need. Gary > > > >When I last built a tandem axle trailer I put brakes on both axles. I have > >pulled some pretty heavy loads with this trailer and knowing I have brakes > >on each axle is a comforting feeling. > > What would be the advantage (if any, we don't see single-axle braking out of two > here much) of just braking one axle ? I don't think we 'can't' do it, but I'd > be interested to see if there is a good reason behind it. > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Oct 15 14:08:19 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 07:08:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching References: <16681.165.206.180.118.1097754092.squirrel@165.206.180.118> <416FBF10.5080704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003001c4b2fb$1ca928c0$21111bd3@athlon> Not here! Thats dangerous! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 10:14 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching > bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > > >Anyone who has not launched a Coke can or tennis ball from the exhaust of > >a large engine just to watch it fly - raise their hand, er, type "not me". > > > > > Bill, > Like you, some of my best old engine times have been launching cans and > bottles to the delight of kids. I use to drag the 6Hp Herc out in the > driveway and aim the long 5' exhaust stack toward the neighbors yard. A > group of kids would congregate and for hours would chase and fetch the > bottle only to be reloaded again. > At Portland a couple of years ago I launched a small tight fitting can > from the Abbey exhaust pipe to the delight of a large collection of > Amish boys. They also were eager to fetch the can where ever the > currents carried it. > Engine can & ball launching is an experience not to be missed nor will > ever be forgotten by all the kids that see it. What we make fun for > today's kids will nurture future engine hobbyists. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Fri Oct 15 14:07:47 2004 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:07:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Gem Article-Congratulations Tommy In-Reply-To: <007f01c4b181$79223900$6bc57040@user> Message-ID: <000001c4b2fb$06140fd0$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Tommy, congratulations on the nice article in GEM about your Kansas City Hay Press Lightning! Sure would like to have it in my stable. From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Fri Oct 15 14:53:06 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:53:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bill's Bridge Engine Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7026B46AD@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>Bill, >>Write the CEO back thanking him for what he is doing for you and ask if it >>can be arranged for notification of you he moving date so you can record it for >>history. >>Tom Schmutz >>Concord, Va. USA >>Germoamer at aol.com Yes - history, and a magazine article tooting KCS's (air) horn.' Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 15 15:41:57 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:41:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching References: <16681.165.206.180.118.1097754092.squirrel@165.206.180.118><416FBF10.5080704@imc-group.com> <003001c4b2fb$1ca928c0$21111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <001901c4b308$2dbeb640$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> I have plans for an OFEs style flame thrower if anyone is interested . Drop me a line and I will scan them and email you a copy On big motors , running under 60 , they are very impressive . Not an afterburner effect , uses propane instead of jellied gasolene it belches a ball of flame on the exh stroke . Tillie needs one of these things . Chuck ? "Far better to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory, nor defeat." Wendy O'Williams From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 15 15:45:17 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:45:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041014173840.02071490@mail.alltel.net><6.1.2.0.0.20041015070758.020bb8a0@mail.alltel.net><1097852948.416fe814f41d0@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk><002c01c4b2d1$30eb4310$ad44e5d8@gary> Message-ID: <004501c4b308$a50205e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > What would be the advantage (if any, we don't see single-axle braking out of two > here much) of just braking one axle ? I don't think we 'can't' do it, but I'd > be interested to see if there is a good reason behind it. Its cheaper From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 15 16:14:40 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:14:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] fuel tank sealer-kwik poly References: <3h87rq$bn8u2r@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: Here it is J.B. http://www.damonq.com/index.htm Look at "tech sheets" and on the second or third page is "Red-Kote." One quart is meant for a 24 gallon tank. I did the second coating this afternoon and still have ~ 80% left. I haven't ever used this so time will tell. The ole timer swears by it. I'll post a picture of the can shortly and post it. Good Luck RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] fuel tank sealer-kwik poly > J.B., If you can put it off for a day, I just got a quart of a 1 PART tank > sealer. Never heard of it before. A local farm machinery owner/mechanic > of over 30 years sold it to me. I poured it all into my ~3 gallon Gal > tank and rolled it around for 15 minutes or so and drained it back into > the can. Got about 90% of it back and will do it again after 24 hours has > elapsed. He swears by it and say's it's a tank within a tank. Put the > lid back on the quart and put 'er back up on the shelf. It can be thinned > with MEK later on if needed. 25 rockets for a quart. Smells like the > good ole yellow tubed "Seal-All" that's been around since I was a kid. > One smell and you're goona go somewhere. Don't know where, but you're > gonna go somewhere > > I know they have a website..will get back to the list later today. > > Rickin lalaland > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 5:09 PM > Subject: [SEL] fuel tank sealer-kwik poly > > > > I need some fuel tank sealer, I remember kwik poly changed names, is it > > still available, where, what name? > > Thanks, > > J.B. Castagnos > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Fri Oct 15 16:22:30 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:22:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching Message-ID: <000601c4b30d$d85655e0$be680b42@gnarmstrong> Chuck, I would like a copy. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Friday, October 15, 2004 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: can launching > >I have plans for an OFEs style flame thrower if anyone is interested . >Drop me a line and I will scan them and email you a copy >On big motors , running under 60 , they are very impressive . >Not an afterburner effect , uses propane instead of jellied gasolene > it belches a ball of flame on the exh stroke . >Tillie needs one of these things . > > > >Chuck ? > > > > > > > "Far better to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, >even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits >who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, >because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory, >nor defeat." Wendy >O'Williams > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Fri Oct 15 22:02:13 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 5:02:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] fuel tank sealer-kwik poly Message-ID: <3948se$ainmgb@mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net> Thanks for the replies on the fuel tank sealer, after Rob gave me the new name I ordered some. Rick, the product you're using looks interesting, let me know how it turns out. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Oct 16 00:15:10 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 08:15:10 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables In-Reply-To: <004501c4b308$a50205e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041014173840.02071490@mail.alltel.net><6.1.2.0.0.20041015070758.020bb8a0@mail.alltel.net><1097852948.416fe814f41d0@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk><002c01c4b2d1$30eb4310$ad44e5d8@gary> <004501c4b308$a50205e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:45:17 -0500, you wrote: > > > What would be the advantage (if any, we don't see single-axle braking out >of two >> here much) of just braking one axle ? I don't think we 'can't' do it, but >I'd >> be interested to see if there is a good reason behind it. > > >Its cheaper OK, that's an obvious reason, but I was thinking along the lines of better stability under braking with one axle not having brakes? Our trailer will get in a tangle sometimes when going down hill under braking (unloaded) and hitting a bump, the wheels will jump off the ground and lock up, then when they get back down again they will skid on the road. It's not as bad as it sounds, but occasionally causes a bit of excitement! One of the limitations of overrun braking. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From adamcottrill at telstra.com Sat Oct 16 04:36:33 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:36:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] My resignation Message-ID: Good evening Ladies and Gentlemen, Thanks so much to everyone on and off list for your emails it has been fantastic and really helped me get through the last 48 hours or so. Please be assured none of the "flameing" you guys have done as you put it has made me decide to resign. Your flameing is what I consider to be constructive criticism and is by no means personal. Mearly airing your point of view which is something I think is fantastic, ok some where pretty lively to say the least but I know the passion you have for this hobby; as I do. So I suspect all of us are guilty of maybe getting a bit too excited on some topic's once in a while simply because we are passionate about it. However as mentioned previously in my other email is what did make me decide to step aside. The club hosting the National is not my home club I was just assiting and driving 4 hours every fortnight to meetings over state lines and doing other stuff in between simply because the host club asked for help and I didnt hesitate to jump in because I love this hobby and I get a really kick out of seeing you guys enjoying rally day as safety officer, its a great ice breaker to meet people and make life long friends!!! If the host club was my own well I feel things would be different and I would be confident in going further. However over the recent times Id like to think I have placed the host club in the right direction in regards to the safety officer side of things and know of two great guys who are in the host club who ive got up to speed on what the requirements are and I suspect will be taking over my position and I think the host club now has the ability to stand on its own two feet and run the show. I dont know who the club who complained is and im not sure if I really want to, but I believe we are all constantly learning and if we make a mistake and we learn from it well thats a positive thing what is really getting me down is I cant for the life of me find the motivation of why the above said club felt this way or couldnt come to me and talk about it first, maybe I will never know? Again thank you to everyone for your support and kind words over the last few days they have helped I intend to reply to everyone who took the time to send an email and look forward to seeing some of you next weekend at Ballarat. Kind regards, Adam From wrl at gwltd.com Sat Oct 16 05:14:43 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 07:14:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: STOVER ENGINE References: <101520041033.20062.4932@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <003101c4b379$bc131b40$588799a6@davem.com> Curt, I sent you my number several days ago, have you had time to look the info up on my CT 1? it is TA212340 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 5:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fwd: STOVER ENGINE > Spencer, > Be glad to help Jerry with some history on his Stover engine. Just to let you > and anyone else know I have access to the orginal Stover sales/shipping > records and if anyone else on the list needs info just send me there serial > numbers. I am in the process of duplicating the orginal ledgers to micro film > for my local club in Freeport, Illinois (Stover Company birth place). > Curt Andree > > Can some help this fellow? You will need to contact him directly at > > since he is not on the list > > > > Spencer Yost > > Owner, ATIS > > Plow the Net! > > http://www.atis.net > > > > > > *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** > > > > On 10/14/2004 at 2:47 PM jbaldwin at htva.net wrote: > > > > >I AM TRING TO FIND INFO ON A STOVER ENGINE I HAVE. CAN YOU HELP, OR CAN > > >YOU > > >REFER ME TO SOMEONE THAT CAN. THANK YOU JERRY E > > MAILjbaldwin at htva.net > > > > *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Oct 16 07:27:59 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:27:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gem Article-Congratulations Tommy In-Reply-To: <000001c4b2fb$06140fd0$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> References: <000001c4b2fb$06140fd0$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Message-ID: <41712FEF.4030507@scrtc.com> Thanks Wayne. I'm working on the big KC now and may have it at Portland next year. Its a hunk of iron! TT Wayne Thackery wrote: > >Tommy, congratulations on the nice article in GEM about your Kansas City Hay >Press Lightning! Sure would like to have it in my stable. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Oct 16 14:33:39 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching In-Reply-To: <416FBF10.5080704@imc-group.com> References: <16681.165.206.180.118.1097754092.squirrel@165.206.180.118> <416FBF10.5080704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, Dave pulled off a two-pointer can launch at the Apple & Arts show today. His 15 hp Domestic is EXCELLENT at launching a one-pound coffee can (or a dove) 300 - 400 feet in the air. Today we had a lot of wind and that can went clean over the cider pressing building and scored a direct hit on the manure spreader used to carry off the pulp. What a hoot! That 10" x 10" "square bore" engine is perfect for can launching!! See ya, Arnie On Fri, 15 Oct 2004, Curt wrote: > Like you, some of my best old engine times have been launching cans and > bottles to the delight of kids. I use to drag the 6Hp Herc out in the > driveway and aim the long 5' exhaust stack toward the neighbors yard. A > group of kids would congregate and for hours would chase and fetch the > bottle only to be reloaded again. From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Oct 16 15:50:31 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:50:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Photos Message-ID: <003701c4b3d2$8b03c280$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, I have to post them for the club and I share the URL with all of you. One is older but updated, and one in just up. Enjoy!! Jeff http://frapa.us/Photos/CiderDays04/Cider04.html http://frapa.us/Photos/Pumpkin04/Pumpkin04.html From carrowor2002 at att.net Sat Oct 16 07:59:28 2004 From: carrowor2002 at att.net (Robert Jacobs) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:59:28 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Breakaway chains & Cables References: Message-ID: <41713750.000003.03100@NOTEBOOK> Our trailer will get in a tangle sometimes when going down hill under braking (unloaded) and hitting a bump, the wheels will jump off the ground and lock up, then when they get back down again they will skid on the road. It's not as bad as it sounds, but occasionally causes a bit of excitement! One of the limitations of overrun braking. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel Having driven Semi's for 28 years, I quickly discovered that nothing works quite as well as screeching, smoking trailer tires to get those tailgaters off yer butt real quick!!! Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! Carrowor2002 at att.net From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Oct 17 02:28:37 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:28:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Pics Message-ID: <200410170928.i9H9SXMT046716@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Here are some pics from the Campbelltown Steam Museum Rally this weekend: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Camoct041.html I was too busy finishing off repairs to the Austral to take any engines out so I just spent an hour or so as a spectator :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 17 03:00:27 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:00:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Detroit engine works Message-ID: Hi All, i picked up a detroit engine works marine engine today at a sale what i am looking for are some pics as this engine is missing a few parts and it is different to whats in wendels book. it is a 2 stroke marine about 18 in high. Yours DAVE in oz _________________________________________________________________ Discover how everyone & everything in our world's connected: http://www.onebigvillage.com.au?&obv1=hotmail From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Oct 17 03:49:19 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:49:19 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: STOVER ENGINE Message-ID: <101720041049.26688.18d7@mchsi.com> Dave, Not had time this week, hopefully I can get to museum library next week....hang in there! Curt Andree > Curt, I sent you my number several days ago, have you had time to look the > info up on my CT 1? it is TA212340 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 5:33 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fwd: STOVER ENGINE > > > > Spencer, > > Be glad to help Jerry with some history on his Stover engine. Just to let > you > > and anyone else know I have access to the orginal Stover sales/shipping > > records and if anyone else on the list needs info just send me there > serial > > numbers. I am in the process of duplicating the orginal ledgers to micro > film > > for my local club in Freeport, Illinois (Stover Company birth place). > > Curt Andree > > > Can some help this fellow? You will need to contact him directly at > > > since he is not on the list > > > > > > Spencer Yost > > > Owner, ATIS > > > Plow the Net! > > > http://www.atis.net > > > > > > > > > *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** > > > > > > On 10/14/2004 at 2:47 PM jbaldwin at htva.net wrote: > > > > > > >I AM TRING TO FIND INFO ON A STOVER ENGINE I HAVE. CAN YOU HELP, OR CAN > > > >YOU > > > >REFER ME TO SOMEONE THAT CAN. THANK YOU JERRY E > > > MAILjbaldwin at htva.net > > > > > > *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Oct 17 05:09:27 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:09:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] GEM Online Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041017080849.0208fec0@mail.alltel.net> Is everyone aware of http://www.gasenginemagazine.com Dave From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Oct 17 05:22:23 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:22:23 +0100 Subject: [SEL] GEM Online References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041017080849.0208fec0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001801c4b443$f50f84e0$6b856ad5@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 1:09 PM Subject: [SEL] GEM Online > Is everyone aware of http://www.gasenginemagazine.com > Dave Hi Dave, Thanks for passing on the reading. Are any of those articles written by members of this group? Dave Croft From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sun Oct 17 09:57:19 2004 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:57:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The Kerr Engine Co. Message-ID: <4172A46E.4CFC34B@wightman.ca> Hi All, Picked up something that I have always wanted yesterday. An old fire hydrant. Interesting piece which ended up in the landfill and was rescued for a mere $20.00 to the landfill operator. Cast right into it is: Made By The Kerr Engine Co. Walkerville Ont. Walkerville doesn't exist anymore and is actually part of the city of Windsor, Ont. I did some quick hunting and found this old ad copy http://www.windsorpubliclibrary.com/digi/sar/images/part1/kerrengine.jpg and some pictures of other Kerr Hydrants at http://www.firehydrant.org/ I also found something about them manufacturing a triple expansion steam engine for a boat in another article. I don't know if they ever got into gas engines but if anyone has any info, I would certainly appreciate it. Just thought you would find it interesting. Duncan -- Duncan and Sandy Denman Ayton, Ontario, Canada Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca Visit our Home Page at: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Oct 17 07:16:52 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:16:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Herc drag saw Message-ID: Howdy all; Found a 1 3/4 hp Herc made dragsaw. Complete except for the crosscut saw. Has a Wico mag and small sprocket on the cs and a very large driven sprocket. There's an "S" on the tag. So what is this..Sparta?? TIA RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Oct 17 08:42:20 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:42:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gib Key removal tools Message-ID: Howdy all; Well here are two New Holland Gib key removal tools. They are made with a 10 degree bevel (which keeps the tool from "walkin' out"). I've never seen these before but the owner says they are inexpensive..dunno and we don't have a NH dealer close by. Not sure whether they are used together or made LH and RH for accessability. The owner says they either work or they don't..probably 20% of the former and 80% of the latter...and especially on NH stuff. I've put them on graph paper with 1/4" squares so you can visualize the size, and I've removed the rubber handles. So far with a 5/8" Gib, we are not impressed with these tools. Drill and gas axe did the trick:-) Here's the link to the picture: http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/201050714CJPfMF Neat trivia I thot Take Care, RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Oct 17 09:43:45 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:43:45 EDT Subject: [SEL] Gib Key removal tools Message-ID: In a message dated 10/17/2004 12:07:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: << Not sure whether they are used together or made LH and RH for accessability. >> Rick, I think you are correct in thinking they are right and left handed tools. I would be interesting to know if New Holland still sell them and are inexpensive. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From flywheelin at hotmail.com Sun Oct 17 10:00:57 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:00:57 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching Message-ID: That's how my interest started in the hobby. I remember as a young boy my Dad launching tennis balls from the exhaust pipe. Years later I remembered the tennis ball launcher. When we talked about it and laughed I asked whatever happened to the tennis ball launcher. Little did I know it was a 3hp John Deere and my brother still had it burried in the back of his garage. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/jd.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan currently visiting S.E. Arizona USA ==================== >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching >Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:14:08 -0400 > >Bill, >Like you, some of my best old engine times have been launching cans and >bottles to the delight of kids. I use to drag the 6Hp Herc out in the >driveway and aim the long 5' exhaust stack toward the neighbors yard. A >group of kids would congregate and for hours would chase and fetch the >bottle only to be reloaded again. >At Portland a couple of years ago I launched a small tight fitting can from >the Abbey exhaust pipe to the delight of a large collection of Amish boys. >They also were eager to fetch the can where ever the currents carried it. >Engine can & ball launching is an experience not to be missed nor will >ever be forgotten by all the kids that see it. What we make fun for today's >kids will nurture future engine hobbyists. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From alanb2 at webtv.net Sun Oct 17 14:42:32 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:42:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Herc drag saw In-Reply-To: "Richard Strobel" 's message of Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:16:52 -0600 Message-ID: <16039-4172E748-249@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net> No Rick, That is a 1 3/4 HP Model S Hercules. I have one here that wasn't made for the log saw AND I have the log saw parts I got from another guy. I'm GREEN!!!! I WANT to find someone with an Model S Herc. that came off a log saw and switch flywheels and CS with them. Is it really yours now? You lucky dog. Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From skipl at montana.com Sun Oct 17 15:21:56 2004 From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 16:21:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Herc drag saw References: Message-ID: <4172F084.836E1BFE@montana.com> rick, way later than sparta. both sears & herc offered these outfits. probably built between 24 & 29. good find. skip Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all; > Found a 1 3/4 hp Herc made dragsaw. Complete except for the crosscut saw. > Has a Wico mag and small sprocket on the cs and a very large driven > sprocket. > > There's an "S" on the tag. > > So what is this..Sparta?? > > TIA > > RickinMt. > > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Sun Oct 17 16:15:30 2004 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:15:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Pics Message-ID: G'day Patrick, Thanks for posting pics. Great job as usual. Regards Lyndsay >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" , >"Stationary Engine Mailing List" >Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Pics >Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:28:37 +1000 > >Here are some pics from the Campbelltown Steam Museum Rally this weekend: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Camoct041.html > >I was too busy finishing off repairs to the Austral to take any engines out >so I just spent an hour or so as a spectator :) > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Oct 17 17:18:05 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:18:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Engine/pulley question Message-ID: <002001c4b4a7$f0ac7a70$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Now and then I get questions to my mailbox that I can't come close to answering. I would prefer this stays on list so my ignorance can be reduced a bit. Private reply would prevent that. http://frapa.us/Photos/Pumpkin04/PF007.html Is the engine a FM Z, and is the pulley unusual is the question posted to me. I'll pass on any responses, and get him on a list. Thanks in advance and .... Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Oct 17 17:25:47 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:25:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Pics References: <200410170928.i9H9SXMT046716@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <002e01c4b4a9$0436f600$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Patrick, You and your kind keep at it. You post your pictures from OZ of your wonderfull sideshaft engines, and make me drool. I want one, and I want a Gade, and I want a ............the list goes on. Thanks for posting. If I can't have one at least I can see them thanks to my mates down under. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 3:28 AM Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Pics > Here are some pics from the Campbelltown Steam Museum Rally this weekend: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Camoct041.html > > I was too busy finishing off repairs to the Austral to take any engines > out > so I just spent an hour or so as a spectator :) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Sun Oct 17 17:35:01 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:35:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! Message-ID: <003501c4b4aa$4e498ea0$c1680b42@gnarmstrong> Bob, Did you ever forward the copy of timeing for the Gilson to Dave Park? Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Bob & Sheila Bolhuis To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! > Don't blame ME !!!! They didn't ask MY opinion before they did something that STUPID !!!! > Bob >Bob & Sheila Bolhuis >RR#4 >Aylmer , Ont, Can >N5H-2R3 >519-765-3337 > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Sun Oct 17 17:51:20 2004 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:51:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine/pulley question References: <002001c4b4a7$f0ac7a70$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <001601c4b4ac$9618d180$0ee0a841@ibm22761389857> The pulley looks like a standard split pulley that would be used on a line shaft. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 20:18 Subject: [SEL] Engine/pulley question Hello all, Now and then I get questions to my mailbox that I can't come close to answering. I would prefer this stays on list so my ignorance can be reduced a bit. Private reply would prevent that. http://frapa.us/Photos/Pumpkin04/PF007.html Is the engine a FM Z, and is the pulley unusual is the question posted to me. I'll pass on any responses, and get him on a list. Thanks in advance and .... Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Oct 17 18:41:55 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:41:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: STOVER ENGINE Message-ID: <20041017.220431.512.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Curt, Can you tell me anything about my CT-1 ? 1941 Stover CT-1 TA-274626 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 17 22:17:56 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:17:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine/pulley question References: <002001c4b4a7$f0ac7a70$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <000e01c4b4d1$d47af910$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> My guess would be that it is not an original F&M part, but on the other hand I have been at this long enough to know not to ever say never. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 7:18 PM Subject: [SEL] Engine/pulley question Hello all, Now and then I get questions to my mailbox that I can't come close to answering. I would prefer this stays on list so my ignorance can be reduced a bit. Private reply would prevent that. http://frapa.us/Photos/Pumpkin04/PF007.html Is the engine a FM Z, and is the pulley unusual is the question posted to me. I'll pass on any responses, and get him on a list. Thanks in advance and .... Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Oct 18 04:09:39 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:09:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: STOVER ENGINE Message-ID: <101820041109.29719.3c83@mchsi.com> Hi Joe, Will be making a trip to museum library later this week and be glad to check it out for you. Curt > Hi Curt, > > Can you tell me anything about my CT-1 ? > 1941 Stover CT-1 > > > TA-274626 > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - > \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jnyost at yahoo.com Mon Oct 18 05:09:10 2004 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 05:09:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Carburetor needed for Kohler engine (OT?) Message-ID: <20041018120910.66235.qmail@web40623.mail.yahoo.com> Hey SEL, I need a carburetor for a small Kohler engine for my Bobcat #310 skid steer on my #2 farm. Engine specs below. MODEL #K34105 SPEC #71218 (Might be one more number behind the 8) SERIAL #9015013 If it would be best contact me off list. Any help would be appreciated, Jim ===== Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Oct 18 05:42:09 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 06:42:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Herc drag saw References: <4172F084.836E1BFE@montana.com> Message-ID: Thanx Skip and Alan. I may have jumped the gun as I don't remember seeing an in/out clutch/box...just the small sprocket and then a belt pulley. Headed back down there again in a few days. later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "skip landis" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Herc drag saw > rick, way later than sparta. both sears & herc offered these outfits. > probably > built between 24 & 29. good find. skip > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > > Howdy all; > > Found a 1 3/4 hp Herc made dragsaw. Complete except for the crosscut > > saw. > > Has a Wico mag and small sprocket on the cs and a very large driven > > sprocket. > > > > There's an "S" on the tag. > > > > So what is this..Sparta?? > > > > TIA > > > > RickinMt. > > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Oct 18 08:38:18 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:38:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales Message-ID: <20041018.113933.752.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, I'm sure I've done many stupid things while operating a steam traction engine - but one time I tried to drive a 12 Ton Buffalo-Springfield Road Roller through a sizable mud puddle. Those rollers don't get much traction on mud & water. There I sat in the middle of this large puddle and had to get another traction engine to chain up and pull me out. Another time - Just recently, I was putting on a program for my Lodge about Gas Engines. I took my Jaeger and after explaining the working principals, I tried to start it. I kept getting a "pop" out of the exhaust but it wouldn't keep running. Finally trying to choke it I realized no gasoline was coming out of the mixer - - - Yep - Out Of Gas !!! And I didn't bring a can. Luckily, I was able to tilt the engine forward and block it up to get enough gas forward in the tank to run the engine about 3 minutes. Snuff4now, Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 18 08:41:36 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:41:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Detroit engine works References: Message-ID: <003501c4b528$f48b36a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Hi All, i picked up a detroit engine works marine engine today at a sale > what i am looking for are some pics as this engine is missing a few parts > and it is different to whats in wendels book. it is a 2 stroke marine about > 18 in high. Yours DAVE in oz You spend any time at Andy's ? http://www.oldmarineengine.com/index.html Someone remind me to tease Ernie about this years Mystic poster . now THATS an antique boat motor ! http://www.oldmarineengine.com/shows/mystic_2004/index.html Chuck? From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Oct 18 10:03:11 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:03:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales References: <20041018.113933.752.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <002701c4b534$5c2015f0$4583fb40@gary> Well Joe, at least you didn't take it clear apart before you found that you were out of gas. A few years ago, probably the second or third annual New Year's Start Up in memory of Bob Larned I started the John Deere E up in front of friends. It ran for a minutes and when I put pressure on the pulley to make the engine work a little, it simply coasted to a stop. After I couldn't restart it I concluded that since we were outdoors in northern Michigan, that the engine had run long enough to honor Bob, so I sheepishly put it away explaining to my friends that I would look at it later. I did look at it later, probably in July when warm had come to northern Michigan. After separating the crankcase and gas tank I realised there was no gas in the tank. It did give me a chance to replace the cereal box gaskets with proper ones. After cleaning the check valve and reassembling the engine it ran great and has to this day. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales > Hi List, > > I'm sure I've done many stupid things while operating a steam traction > engine - but one time I tried to drive a 12 Ton Buffalo-Springfield Road > Roller through a sizable mud puddle. Those rollers don't get much > traction on mud & water. There I sat in the middle > of this large puddle and had to get another traction engine to chain up > and pull me out. > > Another time - Just recently, I was putting on a program for my Lodge > about Gas Engines. > I took my Jaeger and after explaining the working principals, I tried to > start it. > I kept getting a "pop" out of the exhaust but it wouldn't keep running. > > Finally trying to choke it I realized no gasoline was coming out of the > mixer - - - > Yep - Out Of Gas !!! And I didn't bring a can. Luckily, I was able to > tilt the engine forward and block it up to get enough gas forward in the > tank to run the engine about 3 minutes. > > Snuff4now, > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - > \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Mon Oct 18 10:19:09 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:19:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales References: <007701c4b149$32d1dd80$6401a8c0@shop><416D6FFC.000003.03328@NOTEBOOK> <416D83B2.4050105@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <017701c4b536$96bd0d10$0301a8c0@ALEC> Curt, If you have mine and you know what it was, you could repost it but I just cant,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, C-ya, Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:36 PM Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales > Bob Jacobs wrote: > > >That's the worst incident I've seen other than the stupid stunt I pulled. > > > > > > OK Bob I'll bite....tell us all about it. > > I'm sure there are several stories that members could share that are > funny tales of things we've all done at an engine show. I've heard > Kelley tell of an engine she took half apart only to discover it was > simply out of gas. Dave had a "serious" electrical problem on his > Domestic this weekend that required the use of a voltmeter and several > electricians to diagnose the problem, only to be asked by a bystander if > the battery saver might be why the buzz coil was not buzzing. Tell us > your funny and maybe a little bit embarrassing engine stories. This > could be a light and pleasant diversion from the fences and insurance > thread. > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Oct 18 10:36:01 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:36:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching References: <16681.165.206.180.118.1097754092.squirrel@165.206.180.118><416FBF10.5080704@imc-group.com> <003001c4b2fb$1ca928c0$21111bd3@athlon> <001901c4b308$2dbeb640$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <4173FF01.17C5796B@insulate.co.uk> kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: > I have plans for an OFEs style flame thrower if anyone is interested . > Drop me a line and I will scan them and email you a copy > On big motors , running under 60 , they are very impressive . > Not an afterburner effect , uses propane instead of jellied gasolene > it belches a ball of flame on the exh stroke . > Tillie needs one of these things . Tell me more, I need to know ..... Jim -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From curt at imc-group.com Mon Oct 18 11:24:22 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:24:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales In-Reply-To: <017701c4b536$96bd0d10$0301a8c0@ALEC> References: <007701c4b149$32d1dd80$6401a8c0@shop><416D6FFC.000003.03328@NOTEBOOK> <416D83B2.4050105@imc-group.com> <017701c4b536$96bd0d10$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <41740A56.9000601@imc-group.com> Alec, I recall your tale of your most embarrasing moment, but it did not involve engines. Unless of course you want to reference that part of the anatomy as a dipstick. For sure dipsticks should not be checked when spouse and mother-in-laws are in the same room at the same time! Curt Alec Stevens wrote: >Curt, If you have mine and you know what it was, you could repost it but I >just cant,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, C-ya, > >Alec J. Stevens >Investment Specialist > > > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 18 13:53:07 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:53:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching References: <16681.165.206.180.118.1097754092.squirrel@165.206.180.118><416FBF10.5080704@imc-group.com><003001c4b2fb$1ca928c0$21111bd3@athlon><001901c4b308$2dbeb640$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <4173FF01.17C5796B@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <001801c4b554$78f1a840$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > > I have plans for an OFEs style flame thrower if anyone is interested . > > Tell me more, I need to know ..... Sure ya do , like I need a new Unimog From curt at imc-group.com Mon Oct 18 14:15:51 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:15:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns Message-ID: <41743287.9070507@imc-group.com> Engine and tractor fans, The show at Mike Burns was this past Saturday and I took a few pictures and put 'em on my website. Here is the link: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.html Would someone please post this over to the tractor list? I hope you enjoy them, and by all means consider coming next year. This IS a unique experience! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From George_Best at adp.com Mon Oct 18 14:13:33 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:13:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales Message-ID: A friend of mine a few years ago was having trouble getting a 4hp F-M T engine to run. He'd completely rebuilt the engine and was having a problem getting it started for the first time. He could get it to fire occasionally, but it wouldn't run. He thought the camshaft was out of time and had already changed it prior to my arrival. After I got there he was turning the engine over and wanted me to check the timing again. I must admit that I didn't immediately spot his problem, but after a few minutes I said, "Are you sure you're turning the flywheels the right direction?". He thought he was and it wasn't till I pointed out the arrow cast on the crankcase which indicated he'd been trying to run the engine backwards! After getting the camshaft back in correct time and turning the flywheels in the direction indicated by the arrow, we got it started and it ran fine! George From carrowor2002 at att.net Mon Oct 18 14:25:29 2004 From: carrowor2002 at att.net (Robert Jacobs) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:25:29 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns References: <41743287.9070507@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <417434C9.000001.01072@NOTEBOOK> Great pics & descriptions Curt. -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 10/18/04 17:15:22 To: SEL Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns Engine and tractor fans, The show at Mike Burns was this past Saturday and I took a few pictures and put 'em on my website. Here is the link: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails html Would someone please post this over to the tractor list? I hope you enjoy them, and by all means consider coming next year. This IS a unique experience! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Oct 18 14:36:56 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:36:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales In-Reply-To: <41740A56.9000601@imc-group.com> References: <007701c4b149$32d1dd80$6401a8c0@shop><416D6FFC.000003.03328@NOTEBOOK> <416D83B2.4050105@imc-group.com> <017701c4b536$96bd0d10$0301a8c0@ALEC> <41740A56.9000601@imc-group.com> Message-ID: I do think the red ribbon level marker on the dipstick was a nice touch. John On Oct 18, 2004, at 2:24 PM, Curt wrote: > Alec, > I recall your tale of your most embarrasing moment, but it did not > involve engines. Unless of course you want to reference that part of > the anatomy as a dipstick. For sure dipsticks should not be checked > when spouse and mother-in-laws are in the same room at the same time! > Curt John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Mon Oct 18 14:48:59 2004 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:48:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns In-Reply-To: <41743287.9070507@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000701c4b55c$47466170$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Curt, Thanks for posting the great picture of Mike Burns weekend. Looks like it was a good time. Wayne Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 2:16 PM To: SEL Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns Engine and tractor fans, The show at Mike Burns was this past Saturday and I took a few pictures and put 'em on my website. Here is the link: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.htm l Would someone please post this over to the tractor list? I hope you enjoy them, and by all means consider coming next year. This IS a unique experience! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldengin at udata.com Mon Oct 18 14:51:45 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:51:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching In-Reply-To: <001801c4b554$78f1a840$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <16681.165.206.180.118.1097754092.squirrel@165.206.180.118><416FBF10.5080704@imc-group.com><003001c4b2fb$1ca928c0$21111bd3@athlon><001901c4b308$2dbeb640$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <4173FF01.17C5796B@insulate.co.uk> <001801c4b554$78f1a840$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <41743AF1.4030403@udata.com> kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: > > >>>I have plans for an OFEs style flame thrower if anyone is interested . >>> >>> >>Tell me more, I need to know ..... >> >> > > > Gday Chuck, let me in on these plans... Also to create a better can launcher I have now taken an empty, FRESHLY, beer can and have decided to pour about 1/2 inch of body filler in the bottom. Next I am looking at mounting a M80 fire cracker to the side of the can and will give the can a shot of either before putting it onto the straight pipe. I think I can get the can to fly about 300-400 feet into the air with this set-up and if the firecracker is lit at the proper time even better flight is expected. I have also thought about the use of a baggie and some gasoline in it on the inside of the can and maybe 2-3 M80's fused together along with maybe some sackrete in the bottom of the can.. and cutting the can with slits along the side. Maybe old nails and glass would work too...... What do you think? 8-) -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Oct 18 16:08:44 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:08:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Funny Engine Tales Message-ID: <002301c4b567$6a9a1bc0$6b856ad5@no1> Not strictly an Engine tale but on a Saturday night at engine shows I started to send up hot air Balloons. These were the bags that dry cleaners put over newly cleaned clothing. These were very light & we discovered that if we used a square of light wire in a cross to hold the bag open we could put a piece of cotton wool in the middle soaked in metholated Spirit. These flew over the horizon at great height & caused great amusement amongst the spectators. One weekend when I couldn't attend a show a young chap said he could copy me. He got it partly correct but didn't know to watch which way the wind was blowing & put too much fuel on the cotton wool. Away went the balloon dripping burning Meths over peoples trailers & the beer tent. All the exhibitors were running about with extinguishers putting out the flames. I am glad that he was the one that got blamed. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 18 16:10:51 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:10:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching References: <16681.165.206.180.118.1097754092.squirrel@165.206.180.118><416FBF10.5080704@imc-group.com><003001c4b2fb$1ca928c0$21111bd3@athlon><001901c4b308$2dbeb640$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <4173FF01.17C5796B@insulate.co.uk><001801c4b554$78f1a840$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <41743AF1.4030403@udata.com> Message-ID: <006901c4b567$b6982620$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Maybe old nails and glass > would work too...... What do you think? 8-) > if I didnt know you personally , id think you were pulling my leg . but we all gotta eat somehow . and some more than others . try #10-32 nuts for light game . very cheap you too , my enormous friend , have mail From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Oct 18 16:17:36 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:17:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching In-Reply-To: <41743AF1.4030403@udata.com> References: <16681.165.206.180.118.1097754092.squirrel@165.206.180.118><416FBF10.5080704@imc-group.com><003001c4b2fb$1ca928c0$21111bd3@athlon><001901c4b308$2dbeb640$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <4173FF01.17C5796B@insulate.co.uk> <001801c4b554$78f1a840$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <41743AF1.4030403@udata.com> Message-ID: Leroy, you might want to consider adding 2-3 Estes "D" rocket motors to the beer can for a bit more boost. My boy and his friends have been experimenting with rocket assisted scooters. I don't think these little rockets do too much to get a teenager on a scooter going, but they sound great! :-D John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Mon Oct 18 16:20:34 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:20:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching Message-ID: <001001c4b569$1267c2c0$2c690b42@gnarmstrong> Leroy, I've been led to believe your quote attributed to W.A.NANCE is really a quote by Winston Churchill. Can you confirm or refute this? Just curious, as I always note that quote on your Emails. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Leroy C. To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Monday, October 18, 2004 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: can launching >kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: > >> >> >>>>I have plans for an OFEs style flame thrower if anyone is interested . >>>> >>>> >>>Tell me more, I need to know ..... >>> >>> >> >> >> >Gday > Chuck, let me in on these plans... Also to create a better can >launcher I have now taken an empty, FRESHLY, beer can and have decided >to pour about 1/2 inch of body filler in the bottom. Next I am looking >at mounting a M80 fire cracker to the side of the can and will give the >can a shot of either before putting it onto the straight pipe. I think I >can get the can to fly about 300-400 feet into the air with this set-up >and if the firecracker is lit at the proper time even better flight is >expected. I have also thought about the use of a baggie and some >gasoline in it on the inside of the can and maybe 2-3 M80's fused >together along with maybe some sackrete in the bottom of the can.. and >cutting the can with slits along the side. Maybe old nails and glass >would work too...... What do you think? 8-) > >-- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > >"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > >better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 18 16:24:51 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:24:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns References: <000701c4b55c$47466170$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Message-ID: <002701c4b569$b7d6fcd0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Hey Wayne the site does not open for me, what about other folks, can you open the site? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Thackery" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 4:48 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns > Curt, Thanks for posting the great picture of Mike Burns weekend. Looks > like > it was a good time. > > Wayne Thackery > Keizer, Oregon > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 2:16 PM > To: SEL > Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns > > > Engine and tractor fans, > The show at Mike Burns was this past Saturday and I took a few pictures > and put 'em on my website. Here is the link: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.htm > l > > Would someone please post this over to the tractor list? > > I hope you enjoy them, and by all means consider coming next year. This > IS a unique experience! > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Oct 18 16:27:42 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:27:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Funny Engine Tales In-Reply-To: <002301c4b567$6a9a1bc0$6b856ad5@no1> References: <002301c4b567$6a9a1bc0$6b856ad5@no1> Message-ID: <4ECE6348-215D-11D9-A381-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> That used to be a popular college trick for making "UFO's." John On Oct 18, 2004, at 7:08 PM, Dave Croft wrote: > Not strictly an Engine tale but on a Saturday night at engine shows I > started to send up hot air Balloons. > These were the bags that dry cleaners put over newly cleaned clothing. > These were very light & we discovered that if we used a square of light > wire in a cross to hold the bag open we could put a piece of cotton > wool > in the middle soaked in metholated Spirit. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Oct 18 17:03:56 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:03:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns References: <000701c4b55c$47466170$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> <002701c4b569$b7d6fcd0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <003001c4b56f$21f63f40$336f29cb@oemcomputer> Won't work for me either.The link is wrapping to the next line. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 9:24 Subject: Re: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns > Hey Wayne the site does not open for me, what about other folks, can you > open the site? > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wayne Thackery" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 4:48 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns > > > > Curt, Thanks for posting the great picture of Mike Burns weekend. Looks > > like > > it was a good time. > > > > Wayne Thackery > > Keizer, Oregon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Curt > > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 2:16 PM > > To: SEL > > Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns > > > > > > Engine and tractor fans, > > The show at Mike Burns was this past Saturday and I took a few pictures > > and put 'em on my website. Here is the link: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.htm > > l > > > > Would someone please post this over to the tractor list? > > > > I hope you enjoy them, and by all means consider coming next year. This > > IS a unique experience! > > > > Curt Holland > > Gastonia, NC > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. > From falcon at telenet.net Mon Oct 18 17:14:46 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:14:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching References: <16681.165.206.180.118.1097754092.squirrel@165.206.180.118><416FBF10.5080704@imc-group.com><003001c4b2fb$1ca928c0$21111bd3@athlon><001901c4b308$2dbeb640$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <4173FF01.17C5796B@insulate.co.uk><001801c4b554$78f1a840$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <41743AF1.4030403@udata.com> Message-ID: <005201c4b570$a44b9d40$ad1117d1@net.telenet.net> Watch out using flamethrowers on anything you value. At one of the local fairs this past summer there were a few big rig pullers and they were all showing off in one way or another. One lady puller had pyro charges set in the marker posts on the bumper. She would hit a switch to start the timer as soon as she dropped the clutch to start pulling. Made a neat show. The next one up was going to show her up so he turned on his stack flames (20# propane tank with nozzles in each stack. At the very top he had a sparker set up to light off the gas. He made it about mid track and the engine burbled just a bit, but it was enough to suck a good charge of propane into the nice HOT turbo. BOOM... He managed to fire the engine back up BUT it was in tough shape. I got to talk to him later and found out it blew the manifold and both late stage turbos off the engine. Not a good thing. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy C." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: can launching > kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: > > > > > > >>>I have plans for an OFEs style flame thrower if anyone is interested . > >>> > >>> > >>Tell me more, I need to know ..... > >> > >> From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Oct 18 17:16:16 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:16:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns Message-ID: <20041018.202103.1052.2.jlb94@juno.com> It opened for me. - before - Now it says the page cannot be found. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From yostsw at atis.net Mon Oct 18 17:46:18 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:46:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] GEM magazines References: <200410190043.i9J0h4PN026249@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200410182046180328.117C5131@heavyiron.atis.net> This just came in on ATIS's classified ads. Though someone on this list would be interested. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** On 10/18/2004 at 8:43 PM radflgl at dpc.net wrote: >Automated message from Smart Classified ADs. > >AD no. 58194 was posted on . Expires on 2004/11/18. >Submitted by: > >Fred >4027 Wagonseller Rd. >Green Valley, IL 61534 >Voice: 13432658 >E-mail: radflgl at dpc.net >Web Site URL: http:// > >AD placed in the following categories: > Engines > >FOR SALE: Collection of Old Gas Engine Magazines For Sale > >AD content: >I have 7 years of Gas Engine Magazines. Aug.1987-Sept.1994. Missing issue >March 1991 and Oct. 1993. Total of 83 isuses for sale. These magazines are >in real good condition. Many still have the outside shipping covers on >them. You will be hard pressed to find another collection so OLD. I will >sacrifice the lot of magazines for one price $90.00. ph. 309-352-2023 *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** From falcon at telenet.net Mon Oct 18 19:15:38 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:15:38 -0400 Subject: Way to snip URLS includes URL to pictures WAS Re: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns References: <000701c4b55c$47466170$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7><002701c4b569$b7d6fcd0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <003001c4b56f$21f63f40$336f29cb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001301c4b581$874d1140$2c1117d1@net.telenet.net> http://snipurl.com/9vl5 Use this one Oh and for anyone wanting to post a URL easily and not worrying about if it wraps try this site. http://snipurl.com/index.php To use it. You need to COPY the URL you want to post to your clipboard. Then open the snip url site and select the Snip URL button. It will clip the URL AND change the one on the clipboard as well. Then you just PASTE it into the message So you would COPY this URL (or whatever one you have) http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.html Then click your shortcut to http://snipurl.com/index.php and select Snip URL. The site will snip it and tell you that your Snipped URL is now on your clipboard. You then just go to the line you want in your message or wherever and PASTE in the snipped URL http://snipurl.com/9vl5 Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY From curt at imc-group.com Tue Oct 19 05:20:30 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:20:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns In-Reply-To: <002701c4b569$b7d6fcd0$210110ac@PaulMaples> References: <000701c4b55c$47466170$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> <002701c4b569$b7d6fcd0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <4175068E.50704@imc-group.com> Paul, Guess you've figured out by now that the problem is the wrapping of the URL. Looks like the "l" on the end of .html got dropped. I'm trying an experiment with this email in that I changed the wrap default from 72 characters to 99 characters. Here is the URL again and we'll see if it wraps now. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.html Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. Steve W., interesting concept with the snipped URL. Any idea how long they maintain the database of snipped URL links? paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hey Wayne the site does not open for me, what about other folks, can > you open the site? > > Paul > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Oct 19 05:34:46 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 06:34:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns References: <41743287.9070507@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Done > > Would someone please post this over to the tractor list? > > I hope you enjoy them, and by all means consider coming next year. This > IS a unique experience! > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 19 05:37:00 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 07:37:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns References: <000701c4b55c$47466170$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> <002701c4b569$b7d6fcd0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <004e01c4b5d8$55052360$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> The link failed to pick up the "l" in html, if you add it, it will work. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns > Hey Wayne the site does not open for me, what about other folks, can you > open the site? > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wayne Thackery" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 4:48 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns > > >> Curt, Thanks for posting the great picture of Mike Burns weekend. Looks >> like >> it was a good time. >> >> Wayne Thackery >> Keizer, Oregon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Curt >> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 2:16 PM >> To: SEL >> Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns >> >> >> Engine and tractor fans, >> The show at Mike Burns was this past Saturday and I took a few pictures >> and put 'em on my website. Here is the link: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.htm >> l >> >> Would someone please post this over to the tractor list? >> >> I hope you enjoy them, and by all means consider coming next year. This >> IS a unique experience! >> >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Oct 19 05:54:52 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 06:54:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! Message-ID: Howdy all; Well the 5hp Galloway saw outfit is up and runnin'. Took a little elbow grease, but she went up to 320 rpm and ran for about an hour. Latch needs some work still, and the head gasket leaked a little water. Hopefully I patched that up last night. First observation is that it is much quieter (stack music) than the 5hp Economy. Will play with the exhaust valve timing some more on that one. All in all it was a fantastic day at the Strobel shed and we had a ball. Will put some pictures up as soon as the belt arrives and we get her outside working. Live is GREAT!! Take Care, RickinMt. PS: Anyone on the ATIS have a IHC 4hp Hopper cooled, horizontal? We're gonna try to get one to follow us home today. That baby must weight close to a ton!!! It is a big'un. Also a Herc dragsaw and a 1921(?) maytag washer might come home also. PSS; Do they make repro mag gears (IHC) for a 1.5 hp "M" ? http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From art at etsnj.com Tue Oct 19 06:03:05 2004 From: art at etsnj.com (Art Oswald) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:03:05 -0400 Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns In-Reply-To: <4175068E.50704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000401c4b5db$fd0428b0$1202a8c0@artb0y712ywxp8> You know if you go to tinyurl.com you can convert that long address into a very short one that will work a lot better when you post it in an email. In other words http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails .html becomes http://tinyurl.com/3lnfk Art -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 8:21 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns Paul, Guess you've figured out by now that the problem is the wrapping of the URL. Looks like the "l" on the end of .html got dropped. I'm trying an experiment with this email in that I changed the wrap default from 72 characters to 99 characters. Here is the URL again and we'll see if it wraps now. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails .html Curt Holland Gastonia, NC ---------------------------------------- My Inbox is protected by SPAMfighter 771 spam mails have been blocked so far. Download free www.spamfighter.com today! From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Tue Oct 19 06:20:54 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:20:54 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Ronnie Rally Message-ID: <20041019132054.22994.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> G'day Oz Listers I received a letter from the Ronny-Tippet Centenary rally organisers last week saying that they had chose us (only us apparantly, at random) to help them out with a bit of publicity for the rally in our local area. They suggested contacting the local papers. I decided to run with it to help them out, and to cut to the chase...our picture in the paper today with a nice, accurate story made up from data supplied by me and the journalists interpretation of the rally information sheet. I contacted 3 newspapers. Two weren't interested saying that if it's in Ballarat, then the Ballarat papers should be contacted (isn't that smart) because it's not an item of local interest. By the 3rd paper where I was speaking to a bloke, I'd altered my story a bit to say that my exhibit was bought in the local area and would have been part of the early farming history (apple orchards) of the area. I was also able to use the opportunity to invite people interested in joining a club to contact me. So good publicity for two organizations. It was a fair bit of work to set it all up, but worth the result. Umm...we'll be available for autographs at the rally.. :-) Graham in Oz Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Oct 19 06:53:07 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 06:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns In-Reply-To: <4175068E.50704@imc-group.com> References: <000701c4b55c$47466170$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> <002701c4b569$b7d6fcd0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <4175068E.50704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <18149.165.206.180.118.1098193987.squirrel@165.206.180.118> I MAY be a bit paranoid (it's part of my job in computer security) but sites like that often make money to keep them going by collecting information about you and the URLs you visit/snip.................. So, don't use it if you don't run a firewall and/or don't want to be tracked by the sites you visit and the information openly available on every computer. It's possible you might end up adding to your junk mail collection. Just a thought, and since I've not visited that site, of course, I openly admit I could be very wrong - but knowing how much it costs in time, labor and real cash to keep a web site going, someone, somewhere is paying the bills with something. Bill > Paul, > Guess you've figured out by now that the problem is the wrapping of the > URL. Looks like the "l" on the end of .html got dropped. > I'm trying an experiment with this email in that I changed the wrap > default from 72 characters to 99 characters. Here is the URL again and > we'll see if it wraps now. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.html > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. Steve W., interesting concept with the snipped URL. Any idea how > long they maintain the database of snipped URL links? > > > > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > >> Hey Wayne the site does not open for me, what about other folks, can >> you open the site? >> >> Paul >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Oct 19 06:54:14 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:54:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns References: <000701c4b55c$47466170$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7><002701c4b569$b7d6fcd0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <4175068E.50704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002401c4b5e3$1f3b4c40$d76f29cb@oemcomputer> Works now.Great pics. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 10:20 Subject: Re: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns > Paul, > Guess you've figured out by now that the problem is the wrapping of the > URL. Looks like the "l" on the end of .html got dropped. > I'm trying an experiment with this email in that I changed the wrap > default from 72 characters to 99 characters. Here is the URL again and > we'll see if it wraps now. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.htm l > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. Steve W., interesting concept with the snipped URL. Any idea how > long they maintain the database of snipped URL links? > > > > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > > > Hey Wayne the site does not open for me, what about other folks, can > > you open the site? > > > > Paul > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. > From falcon at telenet.net Tue Oct 19 07:22:53 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:22:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns References: <000701c4b55c$47466170$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7><002701c4b569$b7d6fcd0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <4175068E.50704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002801c4b5e7$1ff5ece0$095c14d0@net.telenet.net> I believe it is over a year. I have snipped URLs that old in my saved files that are still fine. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns > Paul, > Guess you've figured out by now that the problem is the wrapping of the > URL. Looks like the "l" on the end of .html got dropped. > I'm trying an experiment with this email in that I changed the wrap > default from 72 characters to 99 characters. Here is the URL again and > we'll see if it wraps now. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.html > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. Steve W., interesting concept with the snipped URL. Any idea how > long they maintain the database of snipped URL links? > > > > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > > > Hey Wayne the site does not open for me, what about other folks, can > > you open the site? > > > > Paul > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 19 07:55:02 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Vintage Sparkplug Fan Flame Message-ID: Hi Folks, Was someone just asking about a "Fan Flame" sparkplug? Pretty cool looking. See ya, Arnie ======================================================= Title of item: Vintage Sparkplug Fan Flame Gas Engine Hit Miss Seller: dingesslee Starts: Oct-11-04 17:33:45 PDT Ends: Oct-18-04 17:33:45 PDT Price: Currently $42.50 To view this item, go to: http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnter&partner=888801&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi%2Eebay%2Ecom%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI%2Edll%3FViewItem%26item%3D3845685102%26category%3D63945%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1 Item Description: Up fro auction is  a used Fan Flame spark plug, made in Yonkers, New York. It shows a number 775 on it but there is no patent date. It has a fan that turns and the fan has 6 points and the base of the plug has 8 points. To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Oct 19 08:40:35 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:40:35 +0200 Subject: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! References: Message-ID: <001801c4b5f1$f9cf8890$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Great Rick, you can't have enough stak music in the shed :o) About that mag gear, there is a guy in GEM that sells them don't know his name. I think a 4 hp stationary Famous weights over 1400 lbs. Catch that baby, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Howdy all; > Well the 5hp Galloway saw outfit is up and runnin'. Took a little elbow > grease, but she went up to 320 rpm and ran for about an hour. Latch needs > some work still, and the head gasket leaked a little water. Hopefully I > patched that up last night. > > First observation is that it is much quieter (stack music) than the 5hp > Economy. Will play with the exhaust valve timing some more on that one. > > All in all it was a fantastic day at the Strobel shed and we had a ball. > Will put some pictures up as soon as the belt arrives and we get her outside > working. > > Live is GREAT!! > > Take Care, > RickinMt. > PS: Anyone on the ATIS have a IHC 4hp Hopper cooled, horizontal? We're > gonna try to get one to follow us home today. That baby must weight close > to a ton!!! It is a big'un. Also a Herc dragsaw and a 1921(?) maytag > washer might come home also. > > PSS; Do they make repro mag gears (IHC) for a 1.5 hp "M" ? > > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Tue Oct 19 08:48:42 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:48:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns References: <000701c4b55c$47466170$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7><002701c4b569$b7d6fcd0$210110ac@PaulMaples><4175068E.50704@imc-group.com> <18149.165.206.180.118.1098193987.squirrel@165.206.180.118> Message-ID: <002101c4b5f3$1cab8660$441117d1@net.telenet.net> http://snipurl.com/priv.php Bill, Snip URL doesn't track anything, BUT they do have a listing of "interesting snips". None of the sites I have snipped end up there though, gee I must be boring... Anyway I have used them for a long time and haven't seen an increase in spam (except for the usual crap). Just a useful site. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns > I MAY be a bit paranoid (it's part of my job in computer security) but > sites like that often make money to keep them going by collecting > information about you and the URLs you visit/snip.................. > So, don't use it if you don't run a firewall and/or don't want to be > tracked by the sites you visit and the information openly available on > every computer. It's possible you might end up adding to your junk mail > collection. Just a thought, and since I've not visited that site, of > course, I openly admit I could be very wrong - but knowing how much it > costs in time, labor and real cash to keep a web site going, someone, > somewhere is paying the bills with something. > > Bill > > > Paul, > > Guess you've figured out by now that the problem is the wrapping of the > > URL. Looks like the "l" on the end of .html got dropped. > > I'm trying an experiment with this email in that I changed the wrap > > default from 72 characters to 99 characters. Here is the URL again and > > we'll see if it wraps now. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.html > > Curt Holland > > Gastonia, NC > > P.S. Steve W., interesting concept with the snipped URL. Any idea how > > long they maintain the database of snipped URL links? > > > > > > > > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > > > >> Hey Wayne the site does not open for me, what about other folks, can > >> you open the site? > >> > >> Paul > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Tue Oct 19 09:12:25 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:12:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FENCES! now Funny Engine Tales References: <007701c4b149$32d1dd80$6401a8c0@shop><416D6FFC.000003.03328@NOTEBOOK> <416D83B2.4050105@imc-group.com><017701c4b536$96bd0d10$0301a8c0@ALEC><41740A56.9000601@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <033301c4b5f6$6ee37840$0301a8c0@ALEC> I guess the red ribbon would be like having some tape around your display at a show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To keep the spectators from touching the ehhmmmm, exhibit...... Its amazing the results of that situation , sorta like throwing a brick in under the crank of a ruuning engine!!! Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" > I do think the red ribbon level marker on the dipstick was a nice touch. > > John > > On Oct 18, 2004, at 2:24 PM, Curt wrote: > > > Alec, > > I recall your tale of your most embarrasing moment, but it did not > > involve engines. Unless of course you want to reference that part of > > the anatomy as a dipstick. For sure dipsticks should not be checked > > when spouse and mother-in-laws are in the same room at the same time! > > Curt > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Oct 19 10:20:51 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Can Launching Message-ID: <20041019172051.95063.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> I saw an excellent example of can launching this weekend. A 3lb coffee can (empty of course) was launched from a large hp engine at the show in Delmont, PA. This engine has a 10x10 BxS and is of a sideshaft varity. It launched the can quite high and came down to land in the manure spreader (used to move apple mash after being removed from the cider press). The owner will not be identified, to protect the feelings of the manure spreader. It was trully an excellent display of the power of these engines. Pics from the show can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2004Delmont.htm I have launched plastic water bottles with ~1/2" of water in it for ballast from my 10hp Challenge. At a local showa year or two back, there was a large field in front of us and a bunch of "troubled" students were brought out. They ended up playing 500 catch with me launching it. A great time was had by all that time. I have not tried to launch pigeons yet, but may next year. Do they fly well after launch??? Steve From oldengin at udata.com Tue Oct 19 10:49:10 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:49:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching In-Reply-To: <001001c4b569$1267c2c0$2c690b42@gnarmstrong> References: <001001c4b569$1267c2c0$2c690b42@gnarmstrong> Message-ID: <41755396.6000905@udata.com> George & Norma Armstrong wrote: >Leroy, > I've been led to believe your quote attributed to W.A.NANCE is really a >quote by Winston Churchill. Can you confirm or refute this? Just curious, >as I always note that quote on your Emails. Geo. > >"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > Gday George, I get a little black book each year and the start of each week has a quote from different people. This is one that I have always liked and one I hope to live up too....... I copied teh quote as given in the book and maybe can find out more about it if you would like me too. -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From curt at imc-group.com Tue Oct 19 12:49:33 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:49:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Can Launching/now tractor question. OT? In-Reply-To: <20041019172051.95063.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041019172051.95063.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41756FCD.7090105@imc-group.com> Steve, Sure are a lot of tractors sneaking into your photos these days. Are you slipping to the dark side too? I noticed that none of the pulling tractors shown have wheelie bars on them? This is a requirement here in the south to prevent rolling one over. Is the use of this safety device not wide spread across the country? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Steve Barr wrote: >I saw an excellent example of can launching this weekend. A 3lb coffee >can (empty of course) was launched from a large hp engine at the show in >Delmont, PA. This engine has a 10x10 BxS and is of a sideshaft varity. >It launched the can quite high and came down to land in the manure >spreader (used to move apple mash after being removed from the cider >press). The owner will not be identified, to protect the feelings of the >manure spreader. It was trully an excellent display of the power of these >engines. Pics from the show can be seen at: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2004Delmont.htm > > > > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Oct 19 13:20:43 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Can Launching/now tractor question. OT? In-Reply-To: <41756FCD.7090105@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20041019202043.56691.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Curt I'm not sure about the additional volume of tractors, I try to take a few pictures in effort to show I have balance... (I was a antique tractor owner ('49 John Deere A) before I was an stationary engine owner...Doesn't that sound political...sorry) Boy, I feel better now.... I do like tractors on steel...and even more, the bigger ones that opened the prairie...I guess I have good taste...(I guess you do as well as your most recent page had more tractor than engine pics on it...) About the wheelie bars. All of the antque tractors that were running on Saturday at the show were pulling ~20 feet on a dead pull. If you could budge the pan, you most likely were going to pull the 20'. They pulled back and forth ~25 pulls until they had a winner. I don't remember which one won, but I was impressed at the effort that they put into moving just the weights... Sunday, there must of had 75 garden tractors pulling a regular pulling sled (the garden tracors had their little wheelie bars on). Steve --- Curt wrote: Steve, Sure are a lot of tractors sneaking into your photos these days. Are you slipping to the dark side too? I noticed that none of the pulling tractors shown have wheelie bars on them? This is a requirement here in the south to prevent rolling one over. Is the use of this safety device not wide spread across the country? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Steve Barr wrote: I saw an excellent example of can launching this weekend. A 3lb coffee can (empty of course) was launched from a large hp engine at the show in Delmont, PA. This engine has a 10x10 BxS and is of a sideshaft varity. It launched the can quite high and came down to land in the manure spreader (used to move apple mash after being removed from the cider press). The owner will not be identified, to protect the feelings of the manure spreader. It was trully an excellent display of the power of these engines. Pics from the show can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2004Delmont.htm From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 19 14:16:06 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Headless Witte Mixer Question Message-ID: Hi Folks, I was just doing some work on the mixer of my 4 hp headless Witte (circa 1926) and noticed that the needle valve setup is "odd." The "needle" valve is flat-bottomed with a small tit at the center. Sitting in a hole below where the needle valve goes is a short rectangular floating needle that sits on the seat. The top of this floating needle has a small depression that aligns with the tit on the adjustable part. It appears that the needle valve functions as a vertical travel limiter rather than as a fixed adjustment. The engine runs fine, but it looks odd inside. Would those of you with headless Witte engines please take a look at your needle valves and let me know if they have the same setup or if they have a more conventional "needle" valve? I'd like to know if this setup is original or some sort of kludge repair done in the engine's past. Thanks!! See ya, Arnie PS - Also solved a nagging problem with my Bamford today. On the last day of the Cotton Ginning Days show the engine just wouldn't run. It was getting fuel, was timed correctly, and had a nice fat spark. It just wouldn't hit! Today in the shed I was cranking it over and noticed a nice fat blue spark between the plug lead and the water hopper!! Turns out there was a flaw in the lead near where it clamps to the hopper! When we were checking the spark the flawed part of the lead was well away from the hopper! Put a new lead on and she runs sweetly again. In the bright sun with background noise at the show, that side-spark just wasn't noticed. In the darker, quiet shed however.... 8-))) Life is good! Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Oct 19 16:30:02 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:30:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! References: Message-ID: <001501c4b633$8f871b00$8b6f29cb@oemcomputer> I make them .Just made one today and posted it.If your interested reply of list for a price. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 10:54 Subject: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! > Howdy all; > Well the 5hp Galloway saw outfit is up and runnin'. Took a little elbow > grease, but she went up to 320 rpm and ran for about an hour. Latch needs > some work still, and the head gasket leaked a little water. Hopefully I > patched that up last night. > > First observation is that it is much quieter (stack music) than the 5hp > Economy. Will play with the exhaust valve timing some more on that one. > > All in all it was a fantastic day at the Strobel shed and we had a ball. > Will put some pictures up as soon as the belt arrives and we get her outside > working. > > Live is GREAT!! > > Take Care, > RickinMt. > PS: Anyone on the ATIS have a IHC 4hp Hopper cooled, horizontal? We're > gonna try to get one to follow us home today. That baby must weight close > to a ton!!! It is a big'un. Also a Herc dragsaw and a 1921(?) maytag > washer might come home also. > > PSS; Do they make repro mag gears (IHC) for a 1.5 hp "M" ? > > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Oct 19 16:34:48 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:34:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Headless Witte Mixer Question References: Message-ID: <003301c4b634$3a301200$8b6f29cb@oemcomputer> Hi Arnie.My 5hp is set up the same as yours. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 7:16 Subject: [SEL] Headless Witte Mixer Question > Hi Folks, > > I was just doing some work on the mixer of my 4 hp headless Witte (circa > 1926) and noticed that the needle valve setup is "odd." > > The "needle" valve is flat-bottomed with a small tit at the center. > Sitting in a hole below where the needle valve goes is a short > rectangular floating needle that sits on the seat. The top of this > floating needle has a small depression that aligns with the tit on the > adjustable part. > > It appears that the needle valve functions as a vertical travel limiter > rather than as a fixed adjustment. The engine runs fine, but it looks > odd inside. > > Would those of you with headless Witte engines please take a look at your > needle valves and let me know if they have the same setup or if they have > a more conventional "needle" valve? I'd like to know if this setup is > original or some sort of kludge repair done in the engine's past. > > Thanks!! > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - Also solved a nagging problem with my Bamford today. On the last day > of the Cotton Ginning Days show the engine just wouldn't run. It was > getting fuel, was timed correctly, and had a nice fat spark. It just > wouldn't hit! Today in the shed I was cranking it over and noticed a nice > fat blue spark between the plug lead and the water hopper!! Turns out > there was a flaw in the lead near where it clamps to the hopper! When we > were checking the spark the flawed part of the lead was well away from the > hopper! Put a new lead on and she runs sweetly again. In the bright > sun with background noise at the show, that side-spark just wasn't > noticed. In the darker, quiet shed however.... 8-))) Life is good! > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. > From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue Oct 19 16:55:58 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:55:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200410192356.i9JNu1Zf024576@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Rick, Is the IHC hit n miss or a Throttler? I have most of a throttler. Whata need? Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 5:55 AM To: SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! Howdy all; Well the 5hp Galloway saw outfit is up and runnin'. Took a little elbow grease, but she went up to 320 rpm and ran for about an hour. Latch needs some work still, and the head gasket leaked a little water. Hopefully I patched that up last night. First observation is that it is much quieter (stack music) than the 5hp Economy. Will play with the exhaust valve timing some more on that one. All in all it was a fantastic day at the Strobel shed and we had a ball. Will put some pictures up as soon as the belt arrives and we get her outside working. Live is GREAT!! Take Care, RickinMt. PS: Anyone on the ATIS have a IHC 4hp Hopper cooled, horizontal? We're gonna try to get one to follow us home today. That baby must weight close to a ton!!! It is a big'un. Also a Herc dragsaw and a 1921(?) maytag washer might come home also. PSS; Do they make repro mag gears (IHC) for a 1.5 hp "M" ? http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 19 17:32:29 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:32:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns References: <000701c4b55c$47466170$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7><002701c4b569$b7d6fcd0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <4175068E.50704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001801c4b63c$4a18aa80$210110ac@PaulMaples> Yes Curt I figured it out and then I went to the pictures and had a very enjoyable time looking at them and reading your narrative on the pictures. Personally knowing how labor intensive it is to post pictures I want you to know how much I appreciate you doing this and how much I feel this contributes to our hobby. Thanks Curt for posting the pictures and allowing all of us to share your enjoyment in being there. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns > Paul, > Guess you've figured out by now that the problem is the wrapping of the > URL. Looks like the "l" on the end of .html got dropped. > I'm trying an experiment with this email in that I changed the wrap > default from 72 characters to 99 characters. Here is the URL again and > we'll see if it wraps now. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.html > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > From alanb2 at webtv.net Tue Oct 19 19:06:44 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:06:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns In-Reply-To: Curt 's message of Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:20:30 -0400 Message-ID: <16039-4175C834-1578@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net> Hi Curt, Thanks for the pictures you managed to get. I really enjoyed them. I really appreciate the way you wrote something about the pictures instead of just having plain pictures. Maybe next August at the Buckley show I will make time to go get some pictures of the 8 bottom plow working. Before I started displaying and just visited the show every year I would always go watch the plowing. I hear they still do it, but they have had to move it farther out to make more show room. With the display I am shooting for next year it will be very hard to get away. It sure was fun seeing those old steam traction engines going across the field with all 8 bottoms down making it look easy. I would love to see cable plowing some time. Was that ever done in the U.S. of A. ???? Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan ~~~~~Curt wrote~~~~~ Guess you've figured out by now that the problem is the wrapping of the URL. Looks like the "l" on the end of .html got dropped. I'm trying an experiment with this email in that I changed the wrap default from 72 characters to 99 characters. Here is the URL again and we'll see if it wraps now. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.html Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Tue Oct 19 19:14:01 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:14:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: can launching Message-ID: <001a01c4b64a$77bfa520$b2680b42@gnarmstrong> I like it to and have used it since seeing it from your Emails but I had run into a source that said it was by Winston Churchill. Really doesn't matter Leroy ,we can still both use it and try to live by it. Thx. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Leroy C. To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: can launching >George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > >>Leroy, >> I've been led to believe your quote attributed to W.A.NANCE is really a >>quote by Winston Churchill. Can you confirm or refute this? Just curious, >>as I always note that quote on your Emails. Geo. >> >>"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." >> W.A. NANCE >> >> >Gday > George, I get a little black book each year and the start of each >week has a quote from different people. This is one that I have always >liked and one I hope to live up too....... I copied teh quote as given >in the book and maybe can find out more about it if you would like me too. > >-- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > >"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > >better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Tue Oct 19 19:19:48 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:19:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Headless Witte Mixer Question Message-ID: <002501c4b64b$46a5f420$b2680b42@gnarmstrong> Arne, Regarding your needle valve set-up on the Witte, remember all is not gold that glitters and all is not tit that titters. Got our 4Hp Bessemer running thanks to the booklet you sent me. Probably the firs time the old gal has run in 30 years. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Arnie Fero To: Stationary Engine List ; Old Engine Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 5:00 PM Subject: [SEL] Headless Witte Mixer Question >Hi Folks, > >I was just doing some work on the mixer of my 4 hp headless Witte (circa >1926) and noticed that the needle valve setup is "odd." > >The "needle" valve is flat-bottomed with a small tit at the center. >Sitting in a hole below where the needle valve goes is a short >rectangular floating needle that sits on the seat. The top of this >floating needle has a small depression that aligns with the tit on the >adjustable part. > >It appears that the needle valve functions as a vertical travel limiter >rather than as a fixed adjustment. The engine runs fine, but it looks >odd inside. > >Would those of you with headless Witte engines please take a look at your >needle valves and let me know if they have the same setup or if they have >a more conventional "needle" valve? I'd like to know if this setup is >original or some sort of kludge repair done in the engine's past. > >Thanks!! > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - Also solved a nagging problem with my Bamford today. On the last day >of the Cotton Ginning Days show the engine just wouldn't run. It was >getting fuel, was timed correctly, and had a nice fat spark. It just >wouldn't hit! Today in the shed I was cranking it over and noticed a nice >fat blue spark between the plug lead and the water hopper!! Turns out >there was a flaw in the lead near where it clamps to the hopper! When we >were checking the spark the flawed part of the lead was well away from the >hopper! Put a new lead on and she runs sweetly again. In the bright >sun with background noise at the show, that side-spark just wasn't >noticed. In the darker, quiet shed however.... 8-))) Life is good! > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Oct 19 19:32:10 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:32:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT mail Message-ID: <001301c4b64d$00d54390$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Sorry for the bother. My inbox flew to hell sometime last night and all messages are lost. If anyone sent me an off list message that requires a reply, please send it again. Now to move on to my off list contacts. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Oct 19 19:36:17 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:36:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Can Launching References: <20041019172051.95063.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001a01c4b64d$93bd72e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> I have not tried to launch pigeons yet, but may next year. Do they fly well after launch??? Steve, Not if the guy with the shotgun is any kind of a shooter! Great pictures also. Thanks, Jeff From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Tue Oct 19 19:19:48 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:19:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Headless Witte Mixer Question Message-ID: <002501c4b64b$46a5f420$b2680b42@gnarmstrong> Arne, Regarding your needle valve set-up on the Witte, remember all is not gold that glitters and all is not tit that titters. Got our 4Hp Bessemer running thanks to the booklet you sent me. Probably the firs time the old gal has run in 30 years. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Arnie Fero To: Stationary Engine List ; Old Engine Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 5:00 PM Subject: [SEL] Headless Witte Mixer Question >Hi Folks, > >I was just doing some work on the mixer of my 4 hp headless Witte (circa >1926) and noticed that the needle valve setup is "odd." > >The "needle" valve is flat-bottomed with a small tit at the center. >Sitting in a hole below where the needle valve goes is a short >rectangular floating needle that sits on the seat. The top of this >floating needle has a small depression that aligns with the tit on the >adjustable part. > >It appears that the needle valve functions as a vertical travel limiter >rather than as a fixed adjustment. The engine runs fine, but it looks >odd inside. > >Would those of you with headless Witte engines please take a look at your >needle valves and let me know if they have the same setup or if they have >a more conventional "needle" valve? I'd like to know if this setup is >original or some sort of kludge repair done in the engine's past. > >Thanks!! > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - Also solved a nagging problem with my Bamford today. On the last day >of the Cotton Ginning Days show the engine just wouldn't run. It was >getting fuel, was timed correctly, and had a nice fat spark. It just >wouldn't hit! Today in the shed I was cranking it over and noticed a nice >fat blue spark between the plug lead and the water hopper!! Turns out >there was a flaw in the lead near where it clamps to the hopper! When we >were checking the spark the flawed part of the lead was well away from the >hopper! Put a new lead on and she runs sweetly again. In the bright >sun with background noise at the show, that side-spark just wasn't >noticed. In the darker, quiet shed however.... 8-))) Life is good! > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rwenig at cable-lynx.net Tue Oct 19 20:02:25 2004 From: rwenig at cable-lynx.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:02:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] URL wrapping In-Reply-To: <001301c4b581$874d1140$2c1117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <000701c4b55c$47466170$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7><002701c4b569$b7d6fcd0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <003001c4b56f$21f63f40$336f29cb@oemcomputer> <001301c4b581$874d1140$2c1117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <4175D541.6020004@cable-lynx.net> Hi Guys, Simply adding a < at the beginning of the url and > at the end by the sender of the message seems to prevent the url from wrapping. Such as: At least it seems to work for me. Rupert -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. mailto://rwenig at cable-lynx.net http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/index.html From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Oct 19 20:31:01 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:31:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! References: <001801c4b5f1$f9cf8890$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Thank you John!! Corky and I went down and had a ball with the ole timer. Corky got the Famous and I got the Herc drag saw. It was a great day for both of us. He's also got a complete maytag washer and a twin maytag for sale. Weather is turning bad so we'll play it by ear as far as the pickup goes. We really appreciate your help!! Pix's soon to come ASAP later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! > > Great Rick, you can't have enough stak music in the shed :o) > About that mag gear, there is a guy in GEM that sells them don't > know his name. > I think a 4 hp stationary Famous weights over 1400 lbs. > Catch that baby, > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > Howdy all; > > Well the 5hp Galloway saw outfit is up and runnin'. Took a little elbow > > grease, but she went up to 320 rpm and ran for about an hour. Latch > > needs > > some work still, and the head gasket leaked a little water. Hopefully I > > patched that up last night. > > > > First observation is that it is much quieter (stack music) than the > > 5hp > > Economy. Will play with the exhaust valve timing some more on that one. > > > > All in all it was a fantastic day at the Strobel shed and we had a > > ball. > > Will put some pictures up as soon as the belt arrives and we get her > > outside > > working. > > > > Live is GREAT!! > > > > Take Care, > > RickinMt. > > PS: Anyone on the ATIS have a IHC 4hp Hopper cooled, horizontal? We're > > gonna try to get one to follow us home today. That baby must weight > > close > > to a ton!!! It is a big'un. Also a Herc dragsaw and a 1921(?) maytag > > washer might come home also. > > > > PSS; Do they make repro mag gears (IHC) for a 1.5 hp "M" ? > > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Oct 19 20:37:43 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:37:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! References: <200410192356.i9JNu1Zf024576@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: I believe it's hit and miss Jim...Corky is quite happy....so am I. later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 5:55 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! > Hi Rick, Is the IHC hit n miss or a Throttler? I have most of a throttler. > Whata need? > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 5:55 AM > To: SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! > > Howdy all; > Well the 5hp Galloway saw outfit is up and runnin'. Took a little elbow > grease, but she went up to 320 rpm and ran for about an hour. Latch needs > some work still, and the head gasket leaked a little water. Hopefully I > patched that up last night. > > First observation is that it is much quieter (stack music) than the 5hp > Economy. Will play with the exhaust valve timing some more on that one. > > All in all it was a fantastic day at the Strobel shed and we had a > ball. > Will put some pictures up as soon as the belt arrives and we get her > outside > > working. > > Live is GREAT!! > > Take Care, > RickinMt. > PS: Anyone on the ATIS have a IHC 4hp Hopper cooled, horizontal? We're > gonna try to get one to follow us home today. That baby must weight close > to a ton!!! It is a big'un. Also a Herc dragsaw and a 1921(?) maytag > washer might come home also. > > PSS; Do they make repro mag gears (IHC) for a 1.5 hp "M" ? > > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From carrowor2002 at att.net Tue Oct 19 19:26:36 2004 From: carrowor2002 at att.net (Robert Jacobs) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:26:36 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns References: <16039-4175C834-1578@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <4175CCDC.000001.02572@NOTEBOOK> With the display I am shooting for next year it will be very hard to get away. It sure was fun seeing those old steam traction engines going across the field with all 8 bottoms down making it look easy. I would love to see cable plowing some time. Was that ever done in the U.S. of A. ???? Gotta put my 2 cents in here, As a youngster, traveling around Michigan with my folks, My father would often try to "track down" steam engines and oil pulls he knew of in his youth. Many Sundays were spent traversing old roads in the thumb area as that was his old stomping grounds. He related to us stories of the "prairie farm" area in the thumb. I remember him telling me of farm crews who, after setting the engine/tractor in the furrow, bottoms down, they would tie off the wheel and let it go. Now I'm sure they had to tend to the engine etc. but according to dad, it was pretty easy running for long distances. He once tracked down a Huge Port Huron engine that he thought was one of the engines used. I was only five or six at the time, but the story has stuck with me all this time and being rather small myself, the Port Huron, (in the process of being restored at the time), was a massive and very impressive thing. I do remember dad putting me in the firebox where I stood straight up without touching anything (and of course mother yelling about how dirty I was getting). If there's any truth to the stories I was raised amongst, then I'd have to say that cable plowing was indeed done here in Michigan, and if you've ever traveled in the Michigan thumb area, and taken the time to observe the soil, you'd find some very very heavy black loam. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! Carrowor2002 at att.net From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Oct 20 03:05:04 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 04:05:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! References: <001501c4b633$8f871b00$8b6f29cb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Thanks Edd...I'll forward this to Corky Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edd Payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! > I make them .Just made one today and posted it.If your interested reply of > list for a price. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 10:54 > Subject: [SEL] WAAHOO...SHE RUNS!!! > > > > Howdy all; > > Well the 5hp Galloway saw outfit is up and runnin'. Took a little elbow > > grease, but she went up to 320 rpm and ran for about an hour. Latch > > needs > > some work still, and the head gasket leaked a little water. Hopefully I > > patched that up last night. > > > > First observation is that it is much quieter (stack music) than the > > 5hp > > Economy. Will play with the exhaust valve timing some more on that one. > > > > All in all it was a fantastic day at the Strobel shed and we had a > ball. > > Will put some pictures up as soon as the belt arrives and we get her > outside > > working. > > > > Live is GREAT!! > > > > Take Care, > > RickinMt. > > PS: Anyone on the ATIS have a IHC 4hp Hopper cooled, horizontal? We're > > gonna try to get one to follow us home today. That baby must weight > > close > > to a ton!!! It is a big'un. Also a Herc dragsaw and a 1921(?) maytag > > washer might come home also. > > > > PSS; Do they make repro mag gears (IHC) for a 1.5 hp "M" ? > > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Certified virus free. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Oct 20 03:26:01 2004 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:26:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronnie Rally In-Reply-To: <20041019132054.22994.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20041020202112.00b81330@mail.ncable.com.au> Same this way Graham, but not me exactly. Peter Willcock (ronnie register man) live about 5 minutes away. He was asked to do the same locally and in turn wanted to pass this job onto me. Peter thought it would be good to do an artical on my 5hp Austral with the roof on it. And about how I was taking it to Ballarat. Unfortunately I'm working again and won't be attending. Had to let the story telling go this time around. But a good idea non the less from the organisers and i can see that they will attract interest from far a field. should be a great show for the lucky one who can make the journey. Russell At 11:20 PM 19/10/2004 +1000, you wrote: >G'day Oz Listers > >I received a letter from the Ronny-Tippet Centenary >rally organisers last week saying that they had chose >us (only us apparantly, at random) to help them out >with a bit of publicity for the rally in our local >area. They suggested contacting the local papers. I >decided to run with it to help them out, and to cut to >the chase...our picture in the paper today with a >nice, accurate story made up from data supplied by me >and the journalists interpretation of the rally >information sheet. > >I contacted 3 newspapers. Two weren't interested >saying that if it's in Ballarat, then the Ballarat >papers should be contacted (isn't that smart) because >it's not an item of local interest. By the 3rd paper >where I was speaking to a bloke, I'd altered my story >a bit to say that my exhibit was bought in the local >area and would have been part of the early farming >history (apple orchards) of the area. I was also able >to use the opportunity to invite people interested in >joining a club to contact me. So good publicity for >two organizations. It was a fair bit of work to set it >all up, but worth the result. > >Umm...we'll be available for autographs at the rally.. >:-) > > >Graham in Oz > > > >Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. >http://au.movies.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 19 17:58:34 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:58:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Can Launching References: <20041019172051.95063.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007e01c4b63f$f9f0a8b0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Thanks Steve for these GREAT pictures, I enjoyed them very much. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 12:20 PM Subject: [SEL] Can Launching >I saw an excellent example of can launching this weekend. A 3lb coffee > can (empty of course) was launched from a large hp engine at the show in > Delmont, PA. This engine has a 10x10 BxS and is of a sideshaft varity. > It launched the can quite high and came down to land in the manure > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Oct 20 04:18:02 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:18:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] /now tractor question. OT?OT References: <20041019172051.95063.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> <41756FCD.7090105@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00ad01c4b696$77243df0$db4b1fd3@km> Shock Horror Curt > I noticed that none of the pulling tractors shown have wheelie bars on > them? This is a requirement here in the south to prevent > rolling one over. Is the use of this safety device not wide spread > across the country? Tractors were not built with them so how are people going to see tractors the way they were originally used on the farm, this restriction by others on the way you show your tractors is the start of the end, It should not be up to the insurance companies or the government to lead you like a bunch of sheep to the slaughter of your hobby. You Americans must remember that tractors don't kill, no matter how long you sit and wait, none just roll over, it is time that individuals accepted responsibility for their actions. But, go ahead, add your wheelie bars and continue to enjoy your hobby as you watch it dwindle in attendance. OK NO FLAMES, I don't mean / believe any of it, just could not resist sending back some of the words, I am not realy a bad person just cannot resist a good stir. Sorry to take up band width with this OT crap All the best to all Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines PS. well I got a laugh out of it From adamcottrill at telstra.com Wed Oct 20 04:21:08 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:21:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronnie Rally Message-ID: Hi Graham, sorry to burst your 15 seconds of fame but I got one of those letters too! Its my understanding they sent one to one member of each club! lucky us!!!! I passed it on to one of our newer members and he got the local paper out to do the story on his engine and the rally. Isnt a great way to get free publicity the people who thought of this deserve a medal! Ill be there from Friday with the Austral we are hoping to start if for the first time in 60 years on Saturday look for us at the Bookaar banner! We've got the fuel lines in tonight (I bought new ones from my local brass foundry only cost $26 for 1.5m of fuel line I thought that was pretty good) and bottom water lines to the belly tank all that remains is the shorten the other remainding water line from the pump to the cylinder so it fits and a final clean down. We put some kero in the fuel tank to test the intergrity of the fuel line joins and after the second pump it picked up and on the forth it was circulating to the carbie and down to the overflow. VERY EXCITING!!!! I hope the rest works this well If anyone is heading there on Friday or during the weekend my number is 0419145747 it would be great to catch up Friday evening for a few quite ones or a meal. I look forward to seeing some of you there. Cheers, Adam From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Oct 20 05:03:17 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:03:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronnie Rally In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200410201203.i9KC39Rk058596@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I have my good old 3.5hp Austral all loaded and almost ready to go. I loaded it in the break in the rain last night and I am glad I did as it has rained heavily since :( I have gone over the engine and done all sorts of little jobs that needed doing. I have learnt an important lesson: If it is running well, leave it alone as you never know what you will find. All sorts of silly things (such as a leaking fuel pump) had to be fixed. I even put new wicks in the oilers! See you all in Ballarat. I will have my mobile with me (0418 692013) or just look for the big silver Nissan towing an Austral ;) http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ozday03/0103austral.jpg Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From curt at imc-group.com Wed Oct 20 05:12:51 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:12:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] /now tractor question. OT?OT In-Reply-To: <00ad01c4b696$77243df0$db4b1fd3@km> References: <20041019172051.95063.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> <41756FCD.7090105@imc-group.com> <00ad01c4b696$77243df0$db4b1fd3@km> Message-ID: <41765643.3090200@imc-group.com> Kerry wrote: >Shock Horror Curt > > > >Tractors were not built with them so how are people going to see tractors >the way they were originally used on the farm, this restriction by others on >the way you show your tractors is the start of the end, It should not be up >to the insurance companies or the government to lead you like a bunch of >sheep to the slaughter of your hobby. > >You Americans must remember that tractors don't kill, no matter how long you >sit and wait, none just roll over, it is time that individuals accepted >responsibility for their actions. > >But, go ahead, add your wheelie bars and continue to enjoy your hobby as you >watch it dwindle in attendance. > > > Too funny Kerry! ROTHLMAO I do feel compelled to clarify one important point. The requirement is solely up to the discretion of the fellow putting on the tractor pull. It is NOT the mandate of any insurance company. Most tractor pullers have added them independent of any show owners requirement just do to the safe thing for themselves in the event of a mechanical failure of the pressure plate or throw out bearing. You hardly see the bars when installed. They simply are a foot or pad, maybe 4" off the ground just a little aft of the tread. At first glance you'd think they wouldn't do a bit of good, but so long as they raise the drive wheels when the front comes up too high they are effective. Thanks for the creative humorous writing. Will chuckle all day now.... Curt From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Oct 20 05:09:01 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:09:01 +0800 Subject: [SEL] windmills Message-ID: <001901c4b69d$99984370$52a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> I am restoring what i think is a Southern Cross windmill. I have had to make a new main shaft , ie the shaft that holds the blades. This shaft has two driving pinions which engage with the crank gears. Does anyone know what the spacer looks like or whatever it is that holds the driving pinions apart. It must also retain the shaft in the gearbox. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Oct 20 05:34:48 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:34:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns References: <16039-4175C834-1578@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <005f01c4b6a1$2fed3080$6b856ad5@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns > Hi Curt, > Thanks for the pictures you managed to get. (Big Snip) > I would love to see cable plowing some time. Was that ever done in the > U.S. of A. ???? > Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Hi Alan, I don't know about the US but it was common in the UK. We even have a firm that still uses Steam Ploughing Engines to dredge the lakes & meres on stately estates. They can pull a scoop across the lake with no problem. PS see http://community.webshots.com/photo/167571610/167580059GSBXOQ A picture I took earlier this year that covers a slight time span. 8^) Dave Croft England. From plb at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 20 05:44:43 2004 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:44:43 +0800 Subject: [SEL] windmills References: <001901c4b69d$99984370$52a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <038b01c4b6a2$9318cdd0$0201010a@Portable> Peter,there are two common Southern Cross mills in common use.The Z pattern was made up till about 1952.On this mill the fan spokes are clamped to the hub by a type of U bolt. The tail is made of corrigated iron. The bearings inside the head are babbit type. The later IZ has spokes that screw into the hub and a flat sheet tail. The bearings inside are replacable white metal. There is a bearing out at the end of the snout on both models that supports the shaft, The other bearing which acts as a spacer is in front of the guide bar. There is a pinion on either side and I think they are located by a roll pin. All later Z's and all IZ's also have two grub screws in the pinions that locate onto flats on the shaft. I do have a manual for the IZ which I can get to you if you want. Both models came in fan diameter's of 6 foot,8,10,12 and 14 foot. You can still buy the IZ's new and get parts for both. The older model has to have the bearings cast into the head. WD Moore here in Perth used to do it and likely still do. Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 8:09 PM Subject: [SEL] windmills >I am restoring what i think is a Southern Cross windmill. I have had to >make > a new main shaft , ie the shaft that holds the blades. This shaft has two > driving pinions which engage with the crank gears. Does anyone know what > the spacer looks like or whatever it is that holds the driving pinions > apart. It must also retain the shaft in the gearbox. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From wmrohrer at myactv.net Wed Oct 20 05:49:55 2004 From: wmrohrer at myactv.net (Mike Rohrer) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:49:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Headless Witte Mixer Question In-Reply-To: <002501c4b64b$46a5f420$b2680b42@gnarmstrong> Message-ID: <200410201250.i9KCo1Q5078437@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of George & Norma Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 10:20 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Headless Witte Mixer Question Arne, Regarding your needle valve set-up on the Witte, remember all is not gold that glitters and all is not tit that titters. Got our 4Hp Bessemer running thanks to the booklet you sent me. Probably the firs time the old gal has run in 30 years. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Arnie Fero To: Stationary Engine List ; Old Engine Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 5:00 PM Subject: [SEL] Headless Witte Mixer Question >Hi Folks, > >I was just doing some work on the mixer of my 4 hp headless Witte (circa >1926) and noticed that the needle valve setup is "odd." > >The "needle" valve is flat-bottomed with a small tit at the center. >Sitting in a hole below where the needle valve goes is a short >rectangular floating needle that sits on the seat. The top of this >floating needle has a small depression that aligns with the tit on the >adjustable part. > >It appears that the needle valve functions as a vertical travel limiter >rather than as a fixed adjustment. The engine runs fine, but it looks >odd inside. > >Would those of you with headless Witte engines please take a look at your >needle valves and let me know if they have the same setup or if they have >a more conventional "needle" valve? I'd like to know if this setup is >original or some sort of kludge repair done in the engine's past. > >Thanks!! > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - Also solved a nagging problem with my Bamford today. On the last day >of the Cotton Ginning Days show the engine just wouldn't run. It was >getting fuel, was timed correctly, and had a nice fat spark. It just >wouldn't hit! Today in the shed I was cranking it over and noticed a nice >fat blue spark between the plug lead and the water hopper!! Turns out >there was a flaw in the lead near where it clamps to the hopper! When we >were checking the spark the flawed part of the lead was well away from the >hopper! Put a new lead on and she runs sweetly again. In the bright >sun with background noise at the show, that side-spark just wasn't >noticed. In the darker, quiet shed however.... 8-))) Life is good! > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Oct 20 09:23:52 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:23:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Can Launching Message-ID: <20041020.122831.1292.7.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks for the pics Steve, I was unable to attend this years show - I missed you guys - Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Oct 20 12:25:10 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:25:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns In-Reply-To: <005f01c4b6a1$2fed3080$6b856ad5@no1> References: <16039-4175C834-1578@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net> <005f01c4b6a1$2fed3080$6b856ad5@no1> Message-ID: <23464.165.206.180.118.1098300310.squirrel@165.206.180.118> I have a magazine from around the 1917 time period that shows photos of cable plowing, and it tells of plowing in the czar's empire (referring to Russia of that time) Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Bowen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 3:06 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Old IHC threshing and plowing days at Mike Burns > > >> Hi Curt, >> Thanks for the pictures you managed to get. > (Big Snip) >> I would love to see cable plowing some time. Was that ever done in the >> U.S. of A. ???? >> Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net > > Hi Alan, I don't know about the US but it was common in the UK. > We even have a firm that still uses Steam Ploughing Engines to dredge > the lakes & meres on stately estates. They can pull a scoop across the > lake with no problem. > PS see http://community.webshots.com/photo/167571610/167580059GSBXOQ > A picture I took earlier this year that covers a slight time span. 8^) > Dave Croft > England. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Oct 20 14:26:46 2004 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 07:26:46 +1000 Subject: [SEL] windmills In-Reply-To: <001901c4b69d$99984370$52a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20041021072504.00b6b618@mail.ncable.com.au> G'day Peter, mate I own a Southern cross windmill. Don't know much about them. Mine is still lying on the ground which my wife often reminds me about!! :-) Anyway I could take some pics for you if it would be helpful. Cheers, Russell At 08:09 PM 20/10/2004 +0800, you wrote: >I am restoring what i think is a Southern Cross windmill. I have had to make >a new main shaft , ie the shaft that holds the blades. This shaft has two >driving pinions which engage with the crank gears. Does anyone know what >the spacer looks like or whatever it is that holds the driving pinions >apart. It must also retain the shaft in the gearbox. >Peter Ogborne >Little Grove ,Albany >West Australia >''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >jopeter at omninet.net.au > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From BetCleve321 at aol.com Wed Oct 20 14:53:43 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:53:43 EDT Subject: [SEL] Headless Witte Mixer Question Message-ID: <6a.48298a52.2ea83867@aol.com> In a message dated 10/19/2004 10:25:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, gnarmstrong at netnitco.net writes: tit that titters. Probably the firs time the old gal has run in 30 years. Geo. Probably a ballance problem will set in here but tell er to give it a try anyhow. Skip From BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com Wed Oct 20 15:05:20 2004 From: BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com (barry gorman) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:05:20 +1000 Subject: [SEL] windmills References: <001901c4b69d$99984370$52a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <002301c4b6f0$e9acaab0$ad398a90@userw32g91tqfi> Peter, When you are travelling along the big flat bit you may see ,when you get into South Aus a lot of discarded and or in need of repair a few windmills You may have some things at the Nat to bring the bits home . Barry G. The Glorious Hunter Valley AUSTRALIA BarryandPamGorman at bigpond,com ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: [SEL] windmills > I am restoring what i think is a Southern Cross windmill. From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Oct 20 18:04:42 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:04:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Can Launching References: <20041019172051.95063.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003201c4b709$f657bbb0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Another method of launching from my buddies younger days. For the truly insane. Snip from his message: > Oh! The one that worked the best was made from an old driveshaft. One end was cut off, at the opposite end we had welded in a nut (14mm) to accommodate a spark plug. It was fired with a coil and point/condenser set. To charge it, we would use acetylene, ether and oxygen ( you will have to experiment with the mix). As I recall, we charged it through the spark plug hole and we already had some newspaper wadding in the discharge end. After charging, we put the plug back in and loaded the tennis ball (beer can full of water worked well too) and rammed it down to compress the gasses, then all you had to do was secure the driveshaft and break the points. It made a hell-of-a-lot of noise and would send a full beer about 2 blocks. Also the same effect can be had with pvc pipe, hair spray, and potatoes. For this you use a lantern flint to ignite it. This one is easier to build, if you want I'll try to come up with some instructions and an illustration. > Enjoy your launcher if you choose to build one, and pictures please. Use at your own risk, and that of others. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:20 AM Subject: [SEL] Can Launching >I saw an excellent example of can launching this weekend. A 3lb coffee > can (empty of course) was launched from a large hp engine at the show in > Delmont, PA. This engine has a 10x10 BxS and is of a sideshaft varity. > It launched the can quite high and came down to land in the manure > spreader (used to move apple mash after being removed from the cider > press). The owner will not be identified, to protect the feelings of the > manure spreader. It was trully an excellent display of the power of these > engines. Pics from the show can be seen at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2004Delmont.htm > > I have launched plastic water bottles with ~1/2" of water in it for > ballast from my 10hp Challenge. At a local showa year or two back, there > was a large field in front of us and a bunch of "troubled" students were > brought out. They ended up playing 500 catch with me launching it. A > great time was had by all that time. I have not tried to launch pigeons > yet, but may next year. Do they fly well after launch??? > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bethell1 at iinet.net.au Thu Oct 21 03:20:59 2004 From: bethell1 at iinet.net.au (jim bethell) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:20:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronnie Rally References: Message-ID: <000901c4b757$a9a4bcc0$a2eccecb@default> Adam, Our crew from Mildura are heading down Friday morning, Look for Vintage Machinery Society of Sunraysia banner regards JIm Jim Bethell Mildura "Gateway to the outback" bethell1 at iinet.net..au http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 9:21 PM Subject: [SEL] Ronnie Rally > > Hi Graham, > sorry to burst your 15 seconds of fame but I got one of those letters too! Its my understanding they sent one to one member of each club! lucky us!!!! I passed it on to one of our newer members and he got the local paper out to do the story on his engine and the rally. > > Isnt a great way to get free publicity the people who thought of this deserve a medal! > > Ill be there from Friday with the Austral we are hoping to start if for the first time in 60 years on Saturday look for us at the Bookaar banner! > > We've got the fuel lines in tonight (I bought new ones from my local brass foundry only cost $26 for 1.5m of fuel line I thought that was pretty good) and bottom water lines to the belly tank all that remains is the shorten the other remainding water line from the pump to the cylinder so it fits and a final clean down. > > We put some kero in the fuel tank to test the intergrity of the fuel line joins and after the second pump it picked up and on the forth it was circulating to the carbie and down to the overflow. VERY EXCITING!!!! I hope the rest works this well > > If anyone is heading there on Friday or during the weekend my number is 0419145747 it would be great to catch up Friday evening for a few quite ones or a meal. > > I look forward to seeing some of you there. > > Cheers, > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Oct 21 03:22:37 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:22:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronnie Rally In-Reply-To: <200410201203.i9KC39Rk058596@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200410201203.i9KC39Rk058596@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <41778DED.4030807@steamengine.com.au> I'll be at the RonaTip too... if you're trying to find me 0413 023 445. Paul Patrick M Livingstone wrote: -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From bethell1 at iinet.net.au Thu Oct 21 03:24:42 2004 From: bethell1 at iinet.net.au (jim bethell) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:24:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] windmills References: <001901c4b69d$99984370$52a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <003701c4b758$2eda9ae0$a2eccecb@default> Pete, I have parts manuals for s/c mills at work also Tyco irrigation in Toowoomba took over s/c mills and still sell some parts for early ones as well as new ones. regards Jim Bethell Mildura "Gateway to the outback" bethell1 at iinet.net..au http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: [SEL] windmills > I am restoring what i think is a Southern Cross windmill. I have had to make > a new main shaft , ie the shaft that holds the blades. This shaft has two > driving pinions which engage with the crank gears. Does anyone know what > the spacer looks like or whatever it is that holds the driving pinions > apart. It must also retain the shaft in the gearbox. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Oct 21 05:07:00 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 06:07:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bringing home the Famous Message-ID: Howdy all; Well yesterday Corky and I went down and picked up the 4hp Famous. Here's a photo of Ed the PO and the loading is going fine. The roller ramps work great and this monster is supposted to weigh in at 1400 lbs. http://community.webshots.com/photo/203152588/203565721HEQGix And here it is backed into the shed. Notice the hole on the base..doesn't look original. And yes the valve tower has been worked on. http://community.webshots.com/photo/203152588/203566546glxXlF Headed down to pickup my Herc. Dragsaw today.....if Corky can move Take Care RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Thu Oct 21 05:22:15 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:22:15 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Headless Witte Mixer Question - now OT Message-ID: <20041021122215.56187.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> Steady George... Don't talk too much to Arnie about tits. He is still in the recovery phase - it might be too much for him yet... :-) Graham, Oz George & Norma Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 10:20 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Headless Witte Mixer Question Arne, Regarding your needle valve set-up on the Witte, remember all is not gold that glitters and all is not tit that titters. Got our 4Hp Bessemer running thanks to the booklet you sent me. Probably the firs time the old gal has run in 30 years. Geo. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Oct 21 05:21:29 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 06:21:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Madison Kipp Message-ID: Howdy gang; Picked up what I believe is a Madison-Kipp lubricator (well at least it's got the right letters :-)). Were these a buyer option and is the bottom hole the outlet? Any special tractor or engine that this went on? http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/203567864ercTxH TIA RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Oct 21 05:38:55 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:38:55 +0800 Subject: [SEL] windmills Message-ID: <001d01c4b76a$f1794710$dea226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Ray ,Russell,Barry and Jim. I think I have the problem licked now. The biggest mountain that I have to conquer now is convincing my wife that a wind mill would look good in the front garden............we have a big front garden ,4 acres but it is still going to take some talking. Wind mill erection is an art that i will have to learn. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Oct 21 06:23:03 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:23:03 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Bringing home the Famous References: Message-ID: <001001c4b771$17e00000$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Mighty engine Rick! John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Howdy all; > Well yesterday Corky and I went down and picked up the 4hp Famous. Here's a > photo of Ed the PO and the loading is going fine. The roller ramps work > great and this monster is supposted to weigh in at 1400 lbs. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/203152588/203565721HEQGix > > And here it is backed into the shed. Notice the hole on the base..doesn't > look original. And yes the valve tower has been worked on. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/203152588/203566546glxXlF > > Headed down to pickup my Herc. Dragsaw today.....if Corky can move > > Take Care > RickinMt. > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dotto at velocitus.net Thu Oct 21 07:03:42 2004 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:03:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bringing home the Famous In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c4b776$c6cbb780$01043c0a@DD1BF421> Hi Rick Nice project! The holes in the base are original. The oval on in the middle is for the air intake pipe from the mixer. The other one would be for the water pipe if the engine was a screen cooled model with the pump. A good friend of mine here has nicely restored 4hp hit & miss famous. One sweet running engine! Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:07 AM To: SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Bringing home the Famous Howdy all; Well yesterday Corky and I went down and picked up the 4hp Famous. Here's a photo of Ed the PO and the loading is going fine. The roller ramps work great and this monster is supposted to weigh in at 1400 lbs. http://community.webshots.com/photo/203152588/203565721HEQGix And here it is backed into the shed. Notice the hole on the base..doesn't look original. And yes the valve tower has been worked on. http://community.webshots.com/photo/203152588/203566546glxXlF Headed down to pickup my Herc. Dragsaw today.....if Corky can move Take Care RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Thu Oct 21 12:23:59 2004 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:23:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Star Engine- In-Reply-To: <003201c4b709$f657bbb0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: Does anybody have any good pictures of the Star engine that was made by Star Manufacturing Co. in New Lexington OH.? Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Thu Oct 21 10:36:24 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:36:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Star Engine- References: Message-ID: <060701c4b794$7ed3f780$0301a8c0@ALEC> Rob Skinner might, Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 3:23 PM Subject: [SEL] Star Engine- > Does anybody have any good pictures of the Star engine that was made by > Star Manufacturing Co. in New Lexington OH.? > Andrew. > > >From Andrew at > tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com > engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com > b10730 at hotmail.com > > Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ > http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From oldengineman at hotmail.com Thu Oct 21 14:35:21 2004 From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Pete Stauffer) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:35:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Star Engine- References: Message-ID: Hi Andrew, I think I mak have some photos of the Ohio Star engine. Ill look at home, tonight. Which e-mail address would you like me to use? Pete Stauffer Hidden deep among the hills of southern West Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 12:23 PM Subject: [SEL] Star Engine- > Does anybody have any good pictures of the Star engine that was made by > Star Manufacturing Co. in New Lexington OH.? > Andrew. > > >From Andrew at > tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com > engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com > b10730 at hotmail.com > > Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ > http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu Thu Oct 21 13:31:43 2004 From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:31:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Star Engine- Message-ID: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9D7@email05.bsu.edu> Andrew, I have one picture of a Star engine (made in New Lexington, OH) currently posted on my website. To see it go to http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker/shows/oldshows/star.jpg Don Siefker 28 Miles SW of Portland, IN USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Andrew Sent: Thu 10/21/2004 2:23 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Star Engine- Does anybody have any good pictures of the Star engine that was made by Star Manufacturing Co. in New Lexington OH.? Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Thu Oct 21 14:35:32 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:35:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - critter launchers Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70276AEC4@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>I have not tried to launch pigeons yet, but may next year. Do they fly well after launch??? >>Steve The military pigeons work well for this purpose. Designator A/N-ABB-12. They also carry tales. Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 21 14:31:41 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:31:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic Message-ID: <001101c4b7b5$5b36d420$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> http://www.enginads.com/smokstak.cgi/read/77336&expand/1 I think I know this guy ... From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Oct 21 14:41:22 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:41:22 EDT Subject: [SEL] Can Launching Message-ID: <1fb.28851b.2ea98702@aol.com> In a message dated 10/20/2004 9:00:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: << Also the same effect can be had with pvc pipe, hair spray, and potatoes. >> Jeff, Web site on spud guns: http://www.spudtech.com/ Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rexhinz at chorus.net Thu Oct 21 15:32:06 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:32:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic References: <001101c4b7b5$5b36d420$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <000f01c4b7bd$cf9fe100$7c86a5d8@mycomputer> Well if you want to use this site for political campaining I guess I'm outa here just like Joe , Ive had enough , maybe I can find a true engine site , bye all. and thanks for the help some of you gave me on my engine questions Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL" Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic > http://www.enginads.com/smokstak.cgi/read/77336&expand/1 > > I think I know this guy ... > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Oct 21 15:36:23 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:36:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Star Engine- In-Reply-To: <060701c4b794$7ed3f780$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <200410212236.i9LMaTDn065861@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Nope. Ain't me. > Rob Skinner might, > > Does anybody have any good pictures of the Star > > engine that was made by > > Star Manufacturing Co. in New Lexington OH.? From BetCleve321 at aol.com Thu Oct 21 16:21:29 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:21:29 EDT Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic Message-ID: <89.18579289.2ea99e79@aol.com> In a message dated 10/21/2004 6:59:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, rexhinz at chorus.net writes: Well if you want to use this site for political campaining I guess I'm outa here just like Joe , Ive had enough , maybe I can find a true engine site , bye all. and thanks for the help some of you gave me on my engine questions Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL" Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic > http://www.enginads.com/smokstak.cgi/read/77336 Oh, good grief. Skip From carrowor2002 at att.net Thu Oct 21 16:55:00 2004 From: carrowor2002 at att.net (Robert Jacobs) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:55:00 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic References: <89.18579289.2ea99e79@aol.com> Message-ID: <41784C54.000001.02588@NOTEBOOK> Wow -- really thin skinned -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 10/21/04 19:27:42 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice domestic In a message dated 10/21/2004 6:59:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, rexhinz at chorus.net writes: Well if you want to use this site for political campaining I guess I'm outa here just like Joe , Ive had enough , maybe I can find a true engine site , bye all. and thanks for the help some of you gave me on my engine questions Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL" Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic > http://www.enginads.com/smokstak.cgi/read/77336 Oh, good grief. Skip _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rexhinz at chorus.net Thu Oct 21 16:57:06 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:57:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic References: <89.18579289.2ea99e79@aol.com> Message-ID: <000901c4b7c9$adc69a40$2686a5d8@mycomputer> Oh good grief is right , I didn't look at the poster good enough to see the last line , after I saw it it was too late cause I already posted this stupid reply, please forgive me and disregard this my last post Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice domestic > > In a message dated 10/21/2004 6:59:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, > rexhinz at chorus.net writes: > > Well if you want to use this site for political campaining I guess I'm outa > here just like Joe , Ive had enough , maybe I can find a true engine site , > bye all. and thanks for the help some of you gave me on my engine questions > > Rex Hinz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "SEL" > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:31 PM > Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic > > > > http://www.enginads.com/smokstak.cgi/read/77336 > > > Oh, good grief. > > Skip > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Oct 21 17:34:23 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:34:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Nice domestic In-Reply-To: <000f01c4b7bd$cf9fe100$7c86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <200410220034.i9M0YXP2030766@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > > http://www.enginads.com/smokstak.cgi/read/77336&expand/1 > > > > I think I know this guy ... > Well if you want to use this site for political campaining I > guess I'm outa here just like Joe , Ive had enough , > maybe I can find a true engine site , bye all. and thanks > for the help some of you gave me on my engine questions > > Rex Hinz Damn Dave! Even your engines piss off the Democrats! On November second I'm gonna set up a row of engines outside the polling place and REALLY disenfranchise some voters. From brock at netspeed.com.au Wed Oct 20 05:16:28 2004 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:16:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronnie Rally References: <200410201203.i9KC39Rk058596@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <003401c4b69e$a1d95780$5f11fea9@merlin> G,day All I,ve also loaded up my 4 hp Austral almost ready to head off to the rally se ya in Ballarat my mobile is 0423 637800 Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:03 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Ronnie Rally >I have my good old 3.5hp Austral all loaded and almost ready to go. I >loaded > it in the break in the rain last night and I am glad I did as it has > rained > heavily since :( > I have gone over the engine and done all sorts of little jobs that needed > doing. I have learnt an important lesson: If it is running well, leave it > alone as you never know what you will find. All sorts of silly things > (such > as a leaking fuel pump) had to be fixed. I even put new wicks in the > oilers! > See you all in Ballarat. I will have my mobile with me (0418 692013) or > just > look for the big silver Nissan towing an Austral ;) > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ozday03/0103austral.jpg > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Oct 21 19:07:21 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:07:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic References: <89.18579289.2ea99e79@aol.com> <000901c4b7c9$adc69a40$2686a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <001c01c4b7db$de14c340$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Let me get this straight Rex. When it looked like a pro Kerry add, it was political campaigning, and when it didn't, it wasn't? Pretty damn liberal Democratic view from where I stand. My first look was the same as yours, and I figure this IS a free country. Steve could be one, but still a nice engine. Second look had me ROTFLOL. Are you sure you're not a closet Democrat? Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice domestic > Oh good grief is right , I didn't look at the poster good enough to see > the > last line , after I saw it it was too late cause I already posted this > stupid reply, please forgive me and disregard this my last post > > Rex > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice domestic > > >> >> In a message dated 10/21/2004 6:59:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> rexhinz at chorus.net writes: >> >> Well if you want to use this site for political campaining I guess I'm > outa >> here just like Joe , Ive had enough , maybe I can find a true engine >> site > , >> bye all. and thanks for the help some of you gave me on my engine > questions >> >> Rex Hinz >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "SEL" >> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:31 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic >> >> >> > http://www.enginads.com/smokstak.cgi/read/77336 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 22 05:14:18 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:14:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Herc 1 3/4 hp dragsaw Message-ID: Howdy all; Looking for any information and pictures that might help me in identifying parts needed for my dragsaw. Mainly the in/out clutch on the crankshaft. Would it be possible for a machinist to build this clutch? All that's there now is a belt pulley, the chain sprocket, and looks like someone added a ball bearing assy., like for a spacer which I don't understand. Thanks much for your time and trouble. I'll post pictures later today. Rick Strobel in "The Big Sky" http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 22 05:19:07 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:19:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bringing home the Famous References: <000001c4b776$c6cbb780$01043c0a@DD1BF421> Message-ID: Thanks for the reply, Dave!! With those huge flywheels, I'll bet it develops a lot of kinetic energy. This one is igniter fired and he needs one flyweight. Other than that and a gas tank it looks like it's pretty complete. Next time you see your friend would you ask him if he would mind corresponding with Cork? Well thanks again! RickinMt. > Hi Rick > > Nice project! The holes in the base are original. The oval on in the > middle is for the air intake pipe from the mixer. The other one would be > for the water pipe if the engine was a screen cooled model with the > pump. > > A good friend of mine here has nicely restored 4hp hit & miss famous. > One sweet running engine! > > Dave > > > Dave Otto > Boise, Idaho > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:07 AM > To: SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Bringing home the Famous > > Howdy all; > Well yesterday Corky and I went down and picked up the 4hp Famous. > Here's a > photo of Ed the PO and the loading is going fine. The roller ramps work > > great and this monster is supposted to weigh in at 1400 lbs. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/203152588/203565721HEQGix > > And here it is backed into the shed. Notice the hole on the > base..doesn't > look original. And yes the valve tower has been worked on. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/203152588/203566546glxXlF > > Headed down to pickup my Herc. Dragsaw today.....if Corky can move > > Take Care > RickinMt. > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri Oct 22 07:11:43 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic In-Reply-To: <001c01c4b7db$de14c340$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <20041022141143.39969.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Since my post on Harry's and a photo of an engine that belongs to someone else on the list was referenced, I believe that I can answer. I posted pictures from the show earlier this week on my site. I posted a short write up under the Can Launching title on the SEL list. The the picture that was posted on Harry's was on the page under that link along with all of the other pictures. >From my standpoint, there was nothing political about it. It was an exhibior's engine who had it on display at the show. Just like I put signs by my engine, others are allowed to do the same. Since it is a very unique engine (try to find many more of that flavor in that HP) I used it on the other web site posting. From the reaction from the show attendance, I think many people got a kick out of it. I know I did. You should have seen the other bumper stickers that this person had(both on and off the engine). I'm not going into my personal politics on this list, but if I could vote IN FRANCE, I would.... :), But I live in Illinois and will vote in Illinois as I have for the past 12 years that I have been old enough to vote. Steve PS. I vote the person and not the party. PSS. When you go to the circus, Why is it that you see Elepahnts and no Donkeys??? PSS. See ya over on slick list.... --- Jeff Allen wrote: Let me get this straight Rex. When it looked like a pro Kerry add, it was political campaigning, and when it didn't, it wasn't? Pretty damn liberal Democratic view from where I stand. My first look was the same as yours, and I figure this IS a free country. Steve could be one, but still a nice engine. Second look had me ROTFLOL. Are you sure you're not a closet Democrat? Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice domestic Oh good grief is right , I didn't look at the poster good enough to see the last line , after I saw it it was too late cause I already posted this stupid reply, please forgive me and disregard this my last post Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice domestic In a message dated 10/21/2004 6:59:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, rexhinz at chorus.net writes: Well if you want to use this site for political campaining I guess I'm outa here just like Joe , Ive had enough , maybe I can find a true engine site, bye all. and thanks for the help some of you gave me on my engine questions Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL" Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic http://www.enginads.com/smokstak.cgi/read/77336 From tsmith at hal-pc.org Fri Oct 22 09:05:25 2004 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:05:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FM Z 3hp In-Reply-To: References: <000001c4b776$c6cbb780$01043c0a@DD1BF421> Message-ID: Hi Group, Well a newbie comes to surface with his first question on FM Z 3hp. Situation: Stuck but the cylinder looks ok. Head has a 1? crack (external and not near a head bolt hole). Looks easily repairable. The FM R mag needs a magnet at the very least. I think rebuilt mags are available for about $250. I don?t know about the magnets. Mag/governor bracket is broken and the governor missing. Parts apparently available from Hit N Miss Now the biggie ? The rod journal and one main journal has approximately 40% area that is corroded. Some pitting about .050? into the journal surface. Is this a total loss or can it be turned (oversize bearing available)? Are there good used cranks available? I need a little direction here. Do I scrap the project because of the crank problem or?? Thanks in advance, Tom From George_Best at adp.com Fri Oct 22 10:08:15 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:08:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] FM Z 3hp Message-ID: Welcome Tom, None of the problems you've mentioned are big enough to scrap the project. However, you can easily end up with more money invested in fixing this engine than it is worth. So it depends on how much money or effort you want to invest in this engine. You'll find that bargain engines with missing or broken parts are not a bargain when you start buying the missing parts. Best recommendation is to always buy complete engines when possible, or know that you can obtain the missing parts for a reasonable price and still have a reasonable amount invested in the engine. Of course some people don't care about the cost and the challenge of restoring a particular engine is all they need. I wouldn't worry about the pits in the crankshaft. Think of them as grease pockets ;-) George Ps.. I've got an early 3hp Z with the Wico EK conversion for replacing the plugoscillator. Its apart and 90% repainted as I started restoring it several years ago and then got more interesting projects and lost interest in this engine. All the parts are there as it was a running engine when I got it. I'd sell it for $600 for anyone willing to come get it, I don't want to crate/ship it. > Situation: > > Stuck but the cylinder looks ok. > > Head has a 1" crack (external and not near a head bolt hole). > Looks easily repairable. > > The FM R mag needs a magnet at the very least. I think > rebuilt mags are available for about $250. I don't know about > the magnets. > > Mag/governor bracket is broken and the governor missing. > Parts apparently available from Hit N Miss > > > > Now the biggie - The rod journal and one main journal has > approximately 40% area that is corroded. Some pitting about > .050" into the journal surface. > > Is this a total loss or can it be turned (oversize bearing > available)? > Are there good used cranks available? > > > > I need a little direction here. Do I scrap the project > because of the crank problem or?? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Tom > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bboyce at swat.coop Fri Oct 22 12:15:37 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:15:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine news Message-ID: <001001c4b86b$83b4eb60$6401a8c0@BillyBob> after about a hundred attempts to contact the "man in charge" of the engine removal, finally talked to him today,,,,, i was afraid they had already removed the engine without letting me know, but no action has been taken,,, he was very receptive to my coming down and taking pictures of it still on the bridge, and of the removal,,,, it really eased my mind about that, as its been 2 weeks since i was told they were going to remove it,,,, not making a lot of progress, but at least not going backwards,,, will post any other new,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From Vivas1993 at aol.com Fri Oct 22 16:04:43 2004 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:04:43 EDT Subject: [SEL] Blackstone engine Message-ID: Hi Folks, I've been looking for a Blackstone engine for a good while, and a friend found this one for me. It's listed for sale on Ebay UK. # 2278612905, it's a 6hp. # 147817. Could anyone in the UK or OZ. give some info. on this type of engine, and if this seems to be a good deal or not. The engine is located in Carmarthen, Wales Does anyone in the UK live near this engine, and could help in getting it shipped to the US., if I were to win it ? Having it shipped in a container with other engines would probably be the cheapest & best way to get it to the US. Any & all advice would be appreciated ! Thanks, Dwight Vivas Petersburg, VA. From paul at semidiesel.com Fri Oct 22 17:06:36 2004 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:06:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm 15 miles away and would love it for the museum, out of our price range though. Be happy to help if I can. We have a local guy who ships vintage tractor parts to Canada just above the border if that helps. Cheers Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/04 From Vivas1993 at aol.com Fri Oct 22 18:18:24 2004 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:18:24 EDT Subject: [SEL] Blackstone engine Message-ID: <126.4e367126.2eab0b60@aol.com> Hi Paul, Thanks for the reply. It might be out of my price range too, but it's nice to dream ! I've wanted a Blackstone for a while, since seeing my buddies 8hp. He lived in the UK for several years, and brought it & a few more engines over here, when he moved back. I'm not positive I'll bid on it, but it helps to know there are folks that can possibly help me out, if I do. THANKS, Dwight From andyglines at hotmail.com Fri Oct 22 08:11:18 2004 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:11:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Madison Kipp Message-ID: This is a pressure lubricator like you would use to inject steam oil into the steam line on a traction engine. My Huber steamer has two MK lubrictors but older than yours without the sight glass on the side. It could be used for other applications where pressurized oiling is needed. It looks to be missing part of the ratcheting mechanism on the bacl side. It is also missing valve/check that comes out the bottom discharge. You can make up a suitable valve/check from common fittings if you want. > 6. Madison Kipp (Richard Strobel) >Message: 6 >Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 06:21:29 -0600 >From: "Richard Strobel" >Subject: [AT] Madison Kipp >To: "SEL email discussion list" , > "Antique tractor email discussion group" > >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Howdy gang; > Picked up what I believe is a Madison-Kipp lubricator (well at least >it's >got the right letters :-)). > >Were these a buyer option and is the bottom hole the outlet? Any special >tractor or engine that this went on? > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/203567864ercTxH > > >TIA >RickinMt. >http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > > _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Oct 23 03:35:17 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 04:35:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Herc dragsaw Message-ID: Howdy all; Here's an album showing my dragsaw. 1 3/4 hp. @ 600 rpm. Lots of red evidence, wonder if it could be an Economy. http://community.webshots.com/album/204171586dXMcJZ later, RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Oct 23 04:11:18 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 11:11:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine news Message-ID: <102320041111.6413.5e2b@mchsi.com> Hi Bill, Is this the same bridge that Paul Maples orginally discovered? If not, can you atleast take a pic of it from a distance so we can know what your up against. thanks, Curt Andree > after about a hundred attempts to contact the "man in charge" of the engine > removal, finally talked to him today,,,,, i was afraid they had already removed > the engine without letting me know, but no action has been taken,,, he was very > receptive to my coming down and taking pictures of it still on the bridge, and > of the removal,,,, it really eased my mind about that, as its been 2 weeks since > i was told they were going to remove it,,,, not making a lot of progress, but at > least not going backwards,,, will post any other new,, > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bboyce at swat.coop Sat Oct 23 06:00:19 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 08:00:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine news References: <102320041111.6413.5e2b@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <000701c4b900$406b9f30$6401a8c0@BillyBob> curt,,, no, not the same bridge,, the one paul found is in arkansas, this one is in shreveport ,,, i;ll post pictures as soon as i can get some,, bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 6:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] bridge engine news > Hi Bill, > Is this the same bridge that Paul Maples orginally discovered? If not, can > you atleast take a pic of it from a distance so we can know what your up > against. > thanks, > Curt Andree > > after about a hundred attempts to contact the "man in charge" of the engine > > removal, finally talked to him today,,,,, i was afraid they had already removed > > the engine without letting me know, but no action has been taken,,, he was very > > receptive to my coming down and taking pictures of it still on the bridge, and > > of the removal,,,, it really eased my mind about that, as its been 2 weeks since > > i was told they were going to remove it,,,, not making a lot of progress, but at > > least not going backwards,,, will post any other new,, > > bill boyce > > lost prairie, arkansas > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Oct 23 12:15:01 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:15:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone engine In-Reply-To: <126.4e367126.2eab0b60@aol.com> Message-ID: <200410231915.i9NJF57g082480@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I took a look at it but don't understand the symbol for the currency. What is it, British Pounds or something else? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Vivas1993 at aol.com Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 6:18 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Blackstone engine Hi Paul, Thanks for the reply. It might be out of my price range too, but it's nice to dream ! I've wanted a Blackstone for a while, since seeing my buddies 8hp. He lived in the UK for several years, and brought it & a few more engines over here, when he moved back. I'm not positive I'll bid on it, but it helps to know there are folks that can possibly help me out, if I do. THANKS, Dwight _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Oct 23 12:26:05 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 20:26:05 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone engine In-Reply-To: <200410231915.i9NJF57g082480@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <126.4e367126.2eab0b60@aol.com> <200410231915.i9NJF57g082480@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <91cln0dtsrit20copklh5ocbmtups7fs8d@4ax.com> On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:15:01 -0700, you wrote: >I took a look at it but don't understand the symbol for the currency. What >is it, British Pounds or something else? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan > >Jim O'Hagan Ah, the Colonials have such short memories.... :-)) Peter From shop at cccomm.net Sat Oct 23 15:44:30 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:44:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Waterloo Built Engine..Long Message-ID: <001401c4b951$de214b70$6501a8c0@Shop> Hi folks! I'm in a dilemma with this engine. There are updated photos at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31365971&vt=vp I need opinions as to what this engine actually is. It has a 4 1/2" bore and 6" stroke. The references referred to below are page numbers from the "Bible", or in other words Mr Wendels book. Page 37, upper right hand corner shows an Associated that could be it, the mixer looks right, but has a base. Page 145 upper left shows an Eastern built by Esco. The hopper is slightly different, but it was built by Associated. Page 199 in the center shows a Galloway, same hopper, bore & stroke and head with the same pushrod mount, but with a bipolar magneto. Page 299 upper right shows a Sandow engine. It was built in Waterloo and has a similarity to the Associated and Galloway, but the hopper doesn't overhang above the head. Same with the Power King engines show below on the same page. Page 315 upper left shows a Monmoth engine probably built by Galloway, but has a short hopper and no mixer assembly that I can see. Page 465 upper left shows a Sheldon engine, built by McManus and is a Waterloo built engine. The head is thinner and the hopper is short. Page 471 lower left shows a Faultless, built by Waterloo, but again with a short hopper and thinner head and maybe a different hopper or as shown with a lid. Page 534 shows Waterloo engines and I cannot find one with a similar hopper, so that's probably out. I'm getting ready to paint and decal this thing, but I would sure like to put the correct stuff on it. As you can see, I'm kinda confused but I think it's a Galloway. I read somewhere in CH's book that the magnetos were optional back then. So what are the opinions out there? Thanks in advance Dave From jhcullom at adelphia.net Sat Oct 23 16:15:47 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:15:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Waterloo Built Engine..Long References: <001401c4b951$de214b70$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <005901c4b956$3b131990$6401a8c0@office> Hi Dave, I vote for a Galloway. Look at these 2 pics I have on my site.... http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/jpgs/3hpA.jpg http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/jpgs/3hpB.jpg Hope this helps, John From jhcullom at adelphia.net Sat Oct 23 16:17:14 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:17:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Auction results Message-ID: <006101c4b956$6efa25f0$6401a8c0@office> Hi folks, Went to a local auction today here in Westminster. I would've needed to get a 2nd mortgage on my house to be playing in the same league as the buyers there. Aermotor 8 cycle, original - $1200 Foos 11hp, restored - $17,000 New Holland 3hp (low serial #), restored - $14,000 New Holland 4hp, high base, original - $4,400 New Holland 5hp, original, on trucks - $5,500 New Holland 1 1/2hp single flywheel, restored, on cart - $6,000 New Holland 2hp, restored, on cart - $5,400 Titan 2hp upright, restored on cart - $4,100 Titan 6hp, restored, on trucks - $6,000 Mogul 1hp, restored on cart - $1,600 International "M", 1 1/2hp original, on cart - $950 Middletown 1 1/2hp "Woodpecker", original on cart - $2,300 Sattley 3hp, original, on cart - $1,200 New Idea 1 1/2 - 2 1/2hp "Vari Speed", restored, on cart - $1,400 and....... John Deere 1 1/2hp, original - $3,300 yes, that's correct, $3,300 Here's some pics......... http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos1.jpg http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos2.jpg http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos3.jpg http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/IHm.jpg http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/Sattley.jpg http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/newholland5hp.jpg http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/newholland4hp.jpg http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/Titanupright.jpg http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/titan6hp.jpg Just behind the Sattley, you can see the Gold plated Deere............ John Cullom Westminster, Md. From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 23 16:33:21 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 18:33:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Waterloo Built Engine..Long References: <001401c4b951$de214b70$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <001e01c4b958$af2a1d90$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> OK, One more time for those that have been day dreaming. ;) http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm The Ignitor is the very best way to ID an engine regardless of what the tag or "Bubba the Maytag" guy says. In this case, these are the pertinent urls 1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-gal-late.JPG 2. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-waterloo.jpg You will note that it ain't even close. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus From frank at lbpinc.com Sat Oct 23 19:09:14 2004 From: frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:09:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It runs (Tractor OT) In-Reply-To: <005901c4b956$3b131990$6401a8c0@office> References: <001401c4b951$de214b70$6501a8c0@Shop> <005901c4b956$3b131990$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20041023220817.033cc268@MAIL1.THEBOOK.COM> I helped a friend bring a Farmall cub back to life today. It had been stuck. A head bolt broke. All the usually stuff but we freed it up. put it back together, and after towing it to get all the oil out and seat the valves IT RAN It settled down and idles like a fine watch. Stuck Head off, see pistons two weeks of oil and tap Pistons move drill out head bolt Clean clean clean put on head tow listen to music IT never get's old Frank -------------------------------------------------------------+ HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W 77.5164| Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sat Oct 23 19:28:06 2004 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:28:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Herc dragsaw In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041023212421.0212f940@mail.herculesengines.com> Rick Nice looking outfit. It is definitely an Economy log saw. We have one just like it but slightly older using a Webster "new style" magneto. Here is some info I have on Hercules build log saws. There are also some close up pictures of the clutch parts you are missing. Your mixer is teh special "log saw mixer" used to keep fuel from free flowing through the mixer with the engine is tilted up on a big log. http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Log%20Saw/Default.htm Keith At 05:35 AM 10/23/2004, you wrote: >Howdy all; > Here's an album showing my dragsaw. 1 3/4 hp. @ 600 rpm. Lots of red >evidence, wonder if it could be an Economy. > >http://community.webshots.com/album/204171586dXMcJZ > >later, >RickinMt. >http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Oct 23 20:24:27 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:24:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gib key 101 Message-ID: <001701c4b978$f888de70$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Got the first one drilled out today. Key is out and flywheel #1 is off. Several beers and enjoyed some fresh cut up venison with the neighbor. They cut their own and can't wait for the elk. Pictures of the gib key are up for a while at: http://frapa.us/Gib/Gib/Gib.html Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Oct 23 20:32:05 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 23:32:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Waterloo Built Engine..Long In-Reply-To: <001e01c4b958$af2a1d90$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <001401c4b951$de214b70$6501a8c0@Shop> <001e01c4b958$af2a1d90$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <417B2235.4000501@scrtc.com> Ted, I went to to your ignitor page and noticed that the Perkins Upright sideshaft and the Weber sideshaft were in black type and would not connect to a photo. Do you need these to add to your data base? I could send you the ignitors off my engines and you could catalog them and ship them back. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky Ted Brookover wrote: > OK, One more time for those that have been day dreaming. ;) > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > The Ignitor is the very best way to ID an engine regardless of what > the tag or "Bubba the Maytag" guy says. > > In this case, these are the pertinent urls > > 1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-gal-late.JPG > 2. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-waterloo.jpg > > You will note that it ain't even close. > > > Ted Brookover > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > 816-763-3142 > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 24 00:18:58 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 02:18:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Waterloo Built Engine..Long References: <001401c4b951$de214b70$6501a8c0@Shop><001e01c4b958$af2a1d90$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <417B2235.4000501@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <003101c4b999$bae7ba20$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Hi Tommy, yes no link means I either don't have a photo or have not gotten around to up dating the site. I would preffer just a scan of a photo, no since in needlessly risking a valuable piece. I am still stuck in this Wheel Chair and cannot even get to the shop, I guess if Kerry wins I will be walking the next day. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Waterloo Built Engine..Long > Ted, > > I went to to your ignitor page and noticed that the Perkins Upright > sideshaft and the Weber sideshaft were in black type and would not connect > to a photo. Do you need these to add to your data base? I could send you > the ignitors off my engines and you could catalog them and ship them back. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, Ky > > > > Ted Brookover wrote: > >> OK, One more time for those that have been day dreaming. ;) >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm >> >> The Ignitor is the very best way to ID an engine regardless of what the >> tag or "Bubba the Maytag" guy says. >> >> In this case, these are the pertinent urls >> >> 1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-gal-late.JPG >> 2. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-waterloo.jpg >> >> You will note that it ain't even close. >> >> >> Ted Brookover >> 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. >> Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 >> 816-763-3142 >> ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ >> Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm >> >> This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Sun Oct 24 00:23:08 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 02:23:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Waterloo Built Engine..Long References: <001401c4b951$de214b70$6501a8c0@Shop><001e01c4b958$af2a1d90$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo><417B2235.4000501@scrtc.com> <003101c4b999$bae7ba20$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <004601c4b99a$53530b70$6f83fb40@gary> Hi Ted, It's time to go to bed. Goodnight, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Brookover" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 2:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Waterloo Built Engine..Long > Hi Tommy, yes no link means I either don't have a photo or have not gotten > around to up dating the site. > > I would preffer just a scan of a photo, no since in needlessly risking a > valuable piece. > > I am still stuck in this Wheel Chair and cannot even get to the shop, I > guess if Kerry wins I will be walking the next day. > > Ted Brookover > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > 816-763-3142 > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 10:32 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Waterloo Built Engine..Long > > > > Ted, > > > > I went to to your ignitor page and noticed that the Perkins Upright > > sideshaft and the Weber sideshaft were in black type and would not connect > > to a photo. Do you need these to add to your data base? I could send you > > the ignitors off my engines and you could catalog them and ship them back. > > > > Tommy Turner > > Magnolia, Ky > > > > > > > > Ted Brookover wrote: > > > >> OK, One more time for those that have been day dreaming. ;) > >> > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > >> > >> The Ignitor is the very best way to ID an engine regardless of what the > >> tag or "Bubba the Maytag" guy says. > >> > >> In this case, these are the pertinent urls > >> > >> 1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-gal-late.JPG > >> 2. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-waterloo.jpg > >> > >> You will note that it ain't even close. > >> > >> > >> Ted Brookover > >> 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > >> Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > >> 816-763-3142 > >> ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > >> Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > >> > >> This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Oct 24 02:53:57 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 03:53:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Herc dragsaw References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041023212421.0212f940@mail.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: Thank you Keith!! Man am I a wooosie. The tongue weigh on this baby is terrific and that's without a blade. Well I've bookmarked the site and will come back to it later, Again thanks...I was wondering about that strange lookin' mixer. Take Care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Herc dragsaw > > Rick > Nice looking outfit. It is definitely an Economy log saw. We have one > just like it but slightly older using a Webster "new style" magneto. Here > is some info I have on Hercules build log saws. There are also some close > up pictures of the clutch parts you are missing. Your mixer is teh > special > "log saw mixer" used to keep fuel from free flowing through the mixer with > the engine is tilted up on a big log. > http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Log%20Saw/Default.htm > Keith > > At 05:35 AM 10/23/2004, you wrote: > >Howdy all; > > Here's an album showing my dragsaw. 1 3/4 hp. @ 600 rpm. Lots of red > >evidence, wonder if it could be an Economy. > > > >http://community.webshots.com/album/204171586dXMcJZ > > > >later, > >RickinMt. > >http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Oct 24 03:15:25 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 04:15:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gib key 101 References: <001701c4b978$f888de70$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: Good one Jeff. We just did a 5/8 Gib. Drilled then got out the gas axe. I was impressed how un-stuck the pulley was once we got the key out. later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 9:24 PM Subject: [SEL] Gib key 101 Hello all, Got the first one drilled out today. Key is out and flywheel #1 is off. Several beers and enjoyed some fresh cut up venison with the neighbor. They cut their own and can't wait for the elk. Pictures of the gib key are up for a while at: http://frapa.us/Gib/Gib/Gib.html Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Oct 24 05:54:00 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:54:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine news Message-ID: <102420041254.27164.47a2@mchsi.com> Ok Bill, thanks for clearing up which bridge. Thought maybe you took over the challange my Old Arky Buddy Paul started and was going to give him heck for giving up so early. Looking forward to the pics. Curt Andree > curt,,, > no, not the same bridge,, the one paul found is in arkansas, this one is in > shreveport ,,, i;ll post pictures as soon as i can get some,, > bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 6:11 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] bridge engine news > > > > Hi Bill, > > Is this the same bridge that Paul Maples orginally discovered? If not, > can > > you atleast take a pic of it from a distance so we can know what your up > > against. > > thanks, > > Curt Andree > > > after about a hundred attempts to contact the "man in charge" of the > engine > > > removal, finally talked to him today,,,,, i was afraid they had already > removed > > > the engine without letting me know, but no action has been taken,,, he > was very > > > receptive to my coming down and taking pictures of it still on the > bridge, and > > > of the removal,,,, it really eased my mind about that, as its been 2 > weeks since > > > i was told they were going to remove it,,,, not making a lot of > progress, but at > > > least not going backwards,,, will post any other new,, > > > bill boyce > > > lost prairie, arkansas > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Oct 24 06:44:03 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:44:03 EDT Subject: [SEL] Gib key 101 Message-ID: <15.3604a24a.2ead0ba3@aol.com> In a message dated 10/23/2004 11:18:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: << Pictures of the gib key are up for a while >> Jeff, Nice work and photos of the gib key removal! Some I believe have used a piece of pipe as the guide clamping it to the keyway which makes it sort of self centering. Of course, your method is more accurate. Great day at Ferrum College Blue Ridge Folklife Festival yesterday with the old engines and junk despite cloudy, damp, cool weather. Ken and Connie Christison showed up shortly after lunch and had a nice visit. Ken of course was very busy with the camera taking pictures of every mill and grinder he could locate. Last show of the season and time to put all the toys away and let the beagles out to run for the next few months. Speaking of which is a reminder to all to check for water removal from the engines before freezing weather. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Oct 24 07:12:45 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 08:12:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Auction results References: <006101c4b956$6efa25f0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: Ouch John..keep them people on that side of the big river, ok? Whew RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "Atis Engine List" Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 5:17 PM Subject: [SEL] Auction results > Hi folks, > Went to a local auction today here in Westminster. I would've needed > to > get a 2nd mortgage on my house to be playing in the same league as the > buyers there. > Aermotor 8 cycle, original - $1200 > Foos 11hp, restored - $17,000 > New Holland 3hp (low serial #), restored - $14,000 > New Holland 4hp, high base, original - $4,400 > New Holland 5hp, original, on trucks - $5,500 > New Holland 1 1/2hp single flywheel, restored, on cart - $6,000 > New Holland 2hp, restored, on cart - $5,400 > Titan 2hp upright, restored on cart - $4,100 > Titan 6hp, restored, on trucks - $6,000 > Mogul 1hp, restored on cart - $1,600 > International "M", 1 1/2hp original, on cart - $950 > Middletown 1 1/2hp "Woodpecker", original on cart - $2,300 > Sattley 3hp, original, on cart - $1,200 > New Idea 1 1/2 - 2 1/2hp "Vari Speed", restored, on cart - $1,400 > > and....... > > John Deere 1 1/2hp, original - $3,300 > > yes, that's correct, $3,300 > > Here's some pics......... > > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos1.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos2.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos3.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/IHm.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/Sattley.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/newholland5hp.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/newholland4hp.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/Titanupright.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/titan6hp.jpg > > Just behind the Sattley, you can see the Gold plated Deere............ > > > John Cullom > Westminster, Md. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From skipl at montana.com Sun Oct 24 08:43:19 2004 From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:43:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Waterloo Built Engine..Long References: <001401c4b951$de214b70$6501a8c0@Shop> <001e01c4b958$af2a1d90$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <417B2235.4000501@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <417BCD97.53BF5FEA@montana.com> tommy, i sent you pictures of the 3 bolt lauson ignitor several weeks ago. did they come through? figured you were out of town or something. skip Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Ted, > > I went to to your ignitor page and noticed that the Perkins Upright > sideshaft and the Weber sideshaft were in black type and would not > connect to a photo. Do you need these to add to your data base? I > could send you the ignitors off my engines and you could catalog them > and ship them back. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, Ky > > Ted Brookover wrote: > > > OK, One more time for those that have been day dreaming. ;) > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > > > The Ignitor is the very best way to ID an engine regardless of what > > the tag or "Bubba the Maytag" guy says. > > > > In this case, these are the pertinent urls > > > > 1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-gal-late.JPG > > 2. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-waterloo.jpg > > > > You will note that it ain't even close. > > > > > > Ted Brookover > > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > > 816-763-3142 > > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > > Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > > > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jeffchattin at msn.com Sun Oct 24 10:15:20 2004 From: jeffchattin at msn.com (jeff chattin) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:15:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Auction results References: <006101c4b956$6efa25f0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: DOES ANYONE KNOW WHO BOUGHT THE FOOS? I am working on an 11 hp portable and would like to get some Measurements Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Strobel To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Auction results Ouch John..keep them people on that side of the big river, ok? Whew RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" > To: "Atis Engine List" > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 5:17 PM Subject: [SEL] Auction results > Hi folks, > Went to a local auction today here in Westminster. I would've needed > to > get a 2nd mortgage on my house to be playing in the same league as the > buyers there. > Aermotor 8 cycle, original - $1200 > Foos 11hp, restored - $17,000 > New Holland 3hp (low serial #), restored - $14,000 > New Holland 4hp, high base, original - $4,400 > New Holland 5hp, original, on trucks - $5,500 > New Holland 1 1/2hp single flywheel, restored, on cart - $6,000 > New Holland 2hp, restored, on cart - $5,400 > Titan 2hp upright, restored on cart - $4,100 > Titan 6hp, restored, on trucks - $6,000 > Mogul 1hp, restored on cart - $1,600 > International "M", 1 1/2hp original, on cart - $950 > Middletown 1 1/2hp "Woodpecker", original on cart - $2,300 > Sattley 3hp, original, on cart - $1,200 > New Idea 1 1/2 - 2 1/2hp "Vari Speed", restored, on cart - $1,400 > > and....... > > John Deere 1 1/2hp, original - $3,300 > > yes, that's correct, $3,300 > > Here's some pics......... > > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos1.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos2.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos3.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/IHm.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/Sattley.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/newholland5hp.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/newholland4hp.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/Titanupright.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/titan6hp.jpg > > Just behind the Sattley, you can see the Gold plated Deere............ > > > John Cullom > Westminster, Md. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alanb2 at webtv.net Sun Oct 24 11:43:24 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 14:43:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Herc dragsaw In-Reply-To: "Richard Strobel" 's message of Sun, 24 Oct 2004 03:53:57 -0600 Message-ID: <16555-417BF7CC-491@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net> Hi Folks, So,,, What are the handles supposed to be like? http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Log%20Saw/Images/DSC00002.jpg Looks good, but is it original? I need to make a new set of handles for the one I have. Mine are rotted off and long gone on that end. Thanks Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Oct 24 16:42:07 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:42:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Waterloo Built Engine..Long In-Reply-To: <417BCD97.53BF5FEA@montana.com> References: <001401c4b951$de214b70$6501a8c0@Shop> <001e01c4b958$af2a1d90$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <417B2235.4000501@scrtc.com> <417BCD97.53BF5FEA@montana.com> Message-ID: <417C3DCF.8070705@scrtc.com> Skip, I didn't realize that I had gotten it but went back and checked and I did. My mother has been in the hospital for the last couple of weeks in serious condition and I've just been "hit and missing" on the emails. My computer will automatically grab them when they come in and some were skipped over. I went back and found it. It came in to me on the 9th which may have been the day (or possibly the day after) my mother went in the hospital. She's 82 and in declining health. The ignitor looks pretty good in the photo. As long as it hasn't been broken and welded, I'll take it. I have your address here somewhere but if you'll send it to me I won't have to dig it out. Thanks. My shipping address is: Tommy Turner LaRue County Courthouse 209 W. High St. Hodgenville, KY 42748 skip landis wrote: >tommy, i sent you pictures of the 3 bolt lauson ignitor several weeks ago. >did they come through? figured you were out of town or something. skip > >Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > >>Ted, >> >> I went to to your ignitor page and noticed that the Perkins Upright >>sideshaft and the Weber sideshaft were in black type and would not >>connect to a photo. Do you need these to add to your data base? I >>could send you the ignitors off my engines and you could catalog them >>and ship them back. >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, Ky >> >>Ted Brookover wrote: >> >> >> >>>OK, One more time for those that have been day dreaming. ;) >>> >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm >>> >>>The Ignitor is the very best way to ID an engine regardless of what >>>the tag or "Bubba the Maytag" guy says. >>> >>>In this case, these are the pertinent urls >>> >>>1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-gal-late.JPG >>>2. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-waterloo.jpg >>> >>>You will note that it ain't even close. >>> >>> >>>Ted Brookover >>>4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. >>>Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 >>>816-763-3142 >>>ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ >>>Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm >>> >>>This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Oct 24 16:53:34 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:53:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Waterloo Built Engine..Long In-Reply-To: <417C3DCF.8070705@scrtc.com> References: <001401c4b951$de214b70$6501a8c0@Shop> <001e01c4b958$af2a1d90$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <417B2235.4000501@scrtc.com> <417BCD97.53BF5FEA@montana.com> <417C3DCF.8070705@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <417C407E.5010009@scrtc.com> I apologize for this going to the list as it should have went directly to Skip. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Skip, > > I didn't realize that I had gotten it but went back and checked and > I did. My mother has been in the hospital for the last couple of > weeks in serious condition and I've just been "hit and missing" on the > emails. My computer will automatically grab them when they come in > and some were skipped over. I went back and found it. It came in to > me on the 9th which may have been the day (or possibly the day after) > my mother went in the hospital. She's 82 and in declining health. > The ignitor looks pretty good in the photo. As long as it hasn't been > broken and welded, I'll take it. I have your address here somewhere > but if you'll send it to me I won't have to dig it out. Thanks. My > shipping address is: > > Tommy Turner > LaRue County Courthouse > 209 W. High St. > Hodgenville, KY 42748 > > > > skip landis wrote: > >> tommy, i sent you pictures of the 3 bolt lauson ignitor several weeks >> ago. >> did they come through? figured you were out of town or something. skip >> >> Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> >> >> >>> Ted, >>> >>> I went to to your ignitor page and noticed that the Perkins Upright >>> sideshaft and the Weber sideshaft were in black type and would not >>> connect to a photo. Do you need these to add to your data base? I >>> could send you the ignitors off my engines and you could catalog them >>> and ship them back. >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, Ky >>> >>> Ted Brookover wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> OK, One more time for those that have been day dreaming. ;) >>>> >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm >>>> >>>> The Ignitor is the very best way to ID an engine regardless of what >>>> the tag or "Bubba the Maytag" guy says. >>>> >>>> In this case, these are the pertinent urls >>>> >>>> 1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-gal-late.JPG >>>> 2. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-waterloo.jpg >>>> >>>> You will note that it ain't even close. >>>> >>>> >>>> Ted Brookover >>>> 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. >>>> Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 >>>> 816-763-3142 >>>> ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ >>>> Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm >>>> >>>> This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Oct 24 17:42:20 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:42:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Auction results References: <006101c4b956$6efa25f0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <000c01c4ba2b$7d4c02b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> John, Seems there are those buying engines as an investment. I can't imagine any engine person paying these prices, and near as I can tell the Sattley is not a Sattley. These are the prices that kept me away from the hobby several years ago. Hope this is not a trend for investors with the stock market where it is. Not at all good for the hobby. Thanks for posting. Jeff Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "Atis Engine List" Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 5:17 PM Subject: [SEL] Auction results > Hi folks, > Went to a local auction today here in Westminster. I would've needed to > get a 2nd mortgage on my house to be playing in the same league as the > buyers there. > Aermotor 8 cycle, original - $1200 > Foos 11hp, restored - $17,000 > New Holland 3hp (low serial #), restored - $14,000 > New Holland 4hp, high base, original - $4,400 > New Holland 5hp, original, on trucks - $5,500 > New Holland 1 1/2hp single flywheel, restored, on cart - $6,000 > New Holland 2hp, restored, on cart - $5,400 > Titan 2hp upright, restored on cart - $4,100 > Titan 6hp, restored, on trucks - $6,000 > Mogul 1hp, restored on cart - $1,600 > International "M", 1 1/2hp original, on cart - $950 > Middletown 1 1/2hp "Woodpecker", original on cart - $2,300 > Sattley 3hp, original, on cart - $1,200 > New Idea 1 1/2 - 2 1/2hp "Vari Speed", restored, on cart - $1,400 > > and....... > > John Deere 1 1/2hp, original - $3,300 > > yes, that's correct, $3,300 > > Here's some pics......... > > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos1.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos2.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos3.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/IHm.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/Sattley.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/newholland5hp.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/newholland4hp.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/Titanupright.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/titan6hp.jpg > > Just behind the Sattley, you can see the Gold plated Deere............ > > > John Cullom > Westminster, Md. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jhcullom at adelphia.net Sun Oct 24 18:09:54 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:09:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Auction results References: <006101c4b956$6efa25f0$6401a8c0@office> <000c01c4ba2b$7d4c02b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <005301c4ba2f$5651d7d0$6401a8c0@office> Hi Jeff, I believe the biggest reason some of the engines went for so much was the fact that so many of the buyers knew the gentleman that owned them before he died. Not only did he do superb jobs on restorations & getting engines running, but he went the extra mile for anyone (myself included), new to the hobby, or if they just needed a hand with an engine problem. He knew alot about mags & was the one to go to around here for help. So, we knew that all of those engines at the sale were in top knotch condition. Also, the Sattley was in original condition with a Sattley decal on it. Don't you think it looks like one? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" > Seems there are those buying engines as an investment. I can't imagine any > engine person paying these prices, and near as I can tell the Sattley is > not a Sattley. These are the prices that kept me away from the hobby > several years ago. Hope this is not a trend for investors with the stock > market where it is. Not at all good for the hobby. Thanks for posting. From skipl at montana.com Sun Oct 24 19:35:58 2004 From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:35:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Waterloo Built Engine..Long References: <001401c4b951$de214b70$6501a8c0@Shop> <001e01c4b958$af2a1d90$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <417B2235.4000501@scrtc.com> <417BCD97.53BF5FEA@montana.com> <417C3DCF.8070705@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <417C668D.C50ADB9B@montana.com> tommy, please email me off list. thanks, skip Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Skip, > > I didn't realize that I had gotten it but went back and checked and > I did. My mother has been in the hospital for the last couple of weeks > in serious condition and I've just been "hit and missing" on the > emails. My computer will automatically grab them when they come in and > some were skipped over. I went back and found it. It came in to me on > the 9th which may have been the day (or possibly the day after) my > mother went in the hospital. She's 82 and in declining health. The > ignitor looks pretty good in the photo. As long as it hasn't been > broken and welded, I'll take it. I have your address here somewhere but > if you'll send it to me I won't have to dig it out. Thanks. My > shipping address is: > > Tommy Turner > LaRue County Courthouse > 209 W. High St. > Hodgenville, KY 42748 > > skip landis wrote: > > >tommy, i sent you pictures of the 3 bolt lauson ignitor several weeks ago. > >did they come through? figured you were out of town or something. skip > > > >Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > > > > > > >>Ted, > >> > >> I went to to your ignitor page and noticed that the Perkins Upright > >>sideshaft and the Weber sideshaft were in black type and would not > >>connect to a photo. Do you need these to add to your data base? I > >>could send you the ignitors off my engines and you could catalog them > >>and ship them back. > >> > >>Tommy Turner > >>Magnolia, Ky > >> > >>Ted Brookover wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>OK, One more time for those that have been day dreaming. ;) > >>> > >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > >>> > >>>The Ignitor is the very best way to ID an engine regardless of what > >>>the tag or "Bubba the Maytag" guy says. > >>> > >>>In this case, these are the pertinent urls > >>> > >>>1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-gal-late.JPG > >>>2. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-waterloo.jpg > >>> > >>>You will note that it ain't even close. > >>> > >>> > >>>Ted Brookover > >>>4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > >>>Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > >>>816-763-3142 > >>>ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > >>>Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > >>> > >>>This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>SEL mailing list > >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Oct 24 19:55:41 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:55:41 EDT Subject: [SEL] Maytag twin Runs Message-ID: Hi List I acquired another Maytag twin engine (with a cast iron gas tank) this weekend. The fuel tank was removed and cleaned. The fuel feed tube, intake screen, and check valve were cleaned or repaired. Apparently, this engine had not been ran in a long time. I was just happy to get an engine with all the parts. After the cleaning and repairing was completed, it started with the second kick and the Maytag runs now. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sun Oct 24 20:25:07 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:25:07 EDT Subject: [SEL] Maytag twin Runs Message-ID: <1e5.2d62aa3b.2eadcc13@aol.com> In a message dated 10/24/2004 11:15:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, FRM8198 at aol.com writes: Hi List I acquired another Maytag twin engine (with a cast iron gas tank) After the cleaning and repairing was completed, it started with the second kick and the Maytag runs now. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California Hi Fancis, VERY GOOD! I am always pleased to hear of another Maytag coming to life. Regards, Ron Carroll Maytag Underground Railroad, Eastern Terminal Nokesville, Virginia From froberts at dodo.com.au Mon Oct 25 04:05:22 2004 From: froberts at dodo.com.au (Fred Roberts) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:05:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Lombardini & Rosebery References: <1e5.2d62aa3b.2eadcc13@aol.com> Message-ID: <00a401c4ba82$8a773700$d184dccb@froberts> Hello to all I am at present restoring 2 engines and am wondering if anyone out there can help with year of manufacture and any other info that may be of interest. First one is a Lombardini air cooled 4 stroke petrol No.LA 490 k. Second one a Rosebery 4HP hopper cooled No.C49898.. Regards Fred From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Oct 25 04:13:52 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:13:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary Message-ID: <200410251113.i9PBDgjn097593@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Well I am finally home after covering some 2400km since last Thursday. The Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary Rally was a great success with an estimated 600 engines of which I would guess about 200 were Austral Oil Engines. (For our non-Aussie list members that means 200 side-shaft engines!). I arrived on Friday and set my Austral up next to Brock's as we were the only representatives of the Sydney and Canberra Clubs. From where my engine stood I could see the remaining structure of the factory where my engine was built and clearly on the wall could be read "Ronaldson Bros". (The "& Tippett part of the building is gone). Friday night we headed out to Lyndsay's shed and had a look at his engines and then visited another local collectors shed to look at his engines. I think we finally got to bed about 1am. Saturday was a cold miserable day and it was not helped by the only real glitch in the rally organising. Quite a number of engines (mine and Brock's included) did not get any water until well after lunchtime. The club officials were quite unapologetic about this lapse of organization. Once we had water the fun part was keeping the oil engines running as a cool breeze and drizzly rain does not make for good weather to keep them running. The Saturday night dinner was good and was held amongst an amazing collection of R-T memorabilia. There were factory ledgers, photos, casting patterns, parts books, catalogues, etc. Every time you looked around you found something else amazing too look at. The weather was a lot better on Sunday and I ended up with sore feet from walking around trying too see all the engines. There were some very nice rare examples including the early vertical and horizontal engines, all manner of Australs, Type D, G, N, Diesels, and even a twin cylinder Type N! The 3pm shutdown came along amazingly fast and now the fun part was getting 600 engines out of the place when, of course, everyone wanted to leave at once. Where they failed with the water they succeeded with organising the departure. Two cranes were working there way down the compounds as well as club members directing the vehicles loading the engines onto trailers. We even loaded my engine with the crane which turned a 15 minute job into a 30 second one. It was a great weekend and I got to catch up with a lot of old (and new) engine friends. I took over 500 photos which I have to sort through but these three are pretty special. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240539.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240540.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240541.JPG They show my Austral in front of the factory where it was built for the first time since it was built in 1917 :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Oct 25 04:22:53 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:22:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Stringy Bark Festival - Rally Report Message-ID: <417CE20D.1030300@steamengine.com.au> On 23rd and 24th of October, the Stringy Bark festival was on in Knox at the Rowville Community Centre. This a small regional show with animals, rides, bazaar/fete stalls, food stalls and loads of engines. Saturday was damp (good thing I did not go - I was in Ballarat) but on the day of my attendance, Sunday, the sun was out and we had a great day for it. Emerald & District Vintage Machinery Group and MSTEC put on displays of stationary engine and steam engines. The food, while good and in great variety was disappointing in that they were charging closed-venue prices. $3.50 for a can of drink! For the most part the show was excellent and a nice relaxed rally for the respective clubs where a little fun could be had. I got the Ottawa running (finally) with help from club mates (thanks!). The weekend was marred when one of our older members was taken sick and went to hospital. The show organisers fell over themselves to be helpful. http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/stringy-bark-2004/index.html -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Oct 25 04:29:17 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:29:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary References: <200410251113.i9PBDgjn097593@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000e01c4ba85$dd25b870$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Interesting to see the "birth crib" of your engine Patrick. I'm courious to see the other pics with a 200 SS around. Will watch the screen :o) John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Well I am finally home after covering some 2400km since last Thursday. The > Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary Rally was a great success with an estimated 600 > engines of which I would guess about 200 were Austral Oil Engines. (For our > non-Aussie list members that means 200 side-shaft engines!). I arrived on > Friday and set my Austral up next to Brock's as we were the only > representatives of the Sydney and Canberra Clubs. From where my engine stood > I could see the remaining structure of the factory where my engine was built > and clearly on the wall could be read "Ronaldson Bros". (The "& Tippett part > of the building is gone). > Friday night we headed out to Lyndsay's shed and had a look at his engines > and then visited another local collectors shed to look at his engines. I > think we finally got to bed about 1am. > Saturday was a cold miserable day and it was not helped by the only real > glitch in the rally organising. Quite a number of engines (mine and Brock's > included) did not get any water until well after lunchtime. The club > officials were quite unapologetic about this lapse of organization. > Once we had water the fun part was keeping the oil engines running as a cool > breeze and drizzly rain does not make for good weather to keep them running. > The Saturday night dinner was good and was held amongst an amazing > collection of R-T memorabilia. There were factory ledgers, photos, casting > patterns, parts books, catalogues, etc. Every time you looked around you > found something else amazing too look at. > The weather was a lot better on Sunday and I ended up with sore feet from > walking around trying too see all the engines. There were some very nice > rare examples including the early vertical and horizontal engines, all > manner of Australs, Type D, G, N, Diesels, and even a twin cylinder Type N! > The 3pm shutdown came along amazingly fast and now the fun part was getting > 600 engines out of the place when, of course, everyone wanted to leave at > once. Where they failed with the water they succeeded with organising the > departure. Two cranes were working there way down the compounds as well as > club members directing the vehicles loading the engines onto trailers. We > even loaded my engine with the crane which turned a 15 minute job into a 30 > second one. > It was a great weekend and I got to catch up with a lot of old (and new) > engine friends. I took over 500 photos which I have to sort through but > these three are pretty special. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240539.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240540.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240541.JPG > > They show my Austral in front of the factory where it was built for the > first time since it was built in 1917 :) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brock at netspeed.com.au Mon Oct 25 04:40:18 2004 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:40:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary References: <200410251113.i9PBDgjn097593@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <009501c4ba87$685d1ae0$5f11fea9@merlin> G,day All It was awsome to see so many side shaft engines in one place it was a very good rally. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:13 PM Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary > Well I am finally home after covering some 2400km since last Thursday. The > Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary Rally was a great success with an estimated > 600 > engines of which I would guess about 200 were Austral Oil Engines. (For > our > non-Aussie list members that means 200 side-shaft engines!). I arrived on > Friday and set my Austral up next to Brock's as we were the only > representatives of the Sydney and Canberra Clubs. From where my engine > stood > I could see the remaining structure of the factory where my engine was > built > and clearly on the wall could be read "Ronaldson Bros". (The "& Tippett > part > of the building is gone). > Friday night we headed out to Lyndsay's shed and had a look at his engines > and then visited another local collectors shed to look at his engines. I > think we finally got to bed about 1am. > Saturday was a cold miserable day and it was not helped by the only real > glitch in the rally organising. Quite a number of engines (mine and > Brock's > included) did not get any water until well after lunchtime. The club > officials were quite unapologetic about this lapse of organization. > Once we had water the fun part was keeping the oil engines running as a > cool > breeze and drizzly rain does not make for good weather to keep them > running. > The Saturday night dinner was good and was held amongst an amazing > collection of R-T memorabilia. There were factory ledgers, photos, casting > patterns, parts books, catalogues, etc. Every time you looked around you > found something else amazing too look at. > The weather was a lot better on Sunday and I ended up with sore feet from > walking around trying too see all the engines. There were some very nice > rare examples including the early vertical and horizontal engines, all > manner of Australs, Type D, G, N, Diesels, and even a twin cylinder Type > N! > The 3pm shutdown came along amazingly fast and now the fun part was > getting > 600 engines out of the place when, of course, everyone wanted to leave at > once. Where they failed with the water they succeeded with organising the > departure. Two cranes were working there way down the compounds as well as > club members directing the vehicles loading the engines onto trailers. We > even loaded my engine with the crane which turned a 15 minute job into a > 30 > second one. > It was a great weekend and I got to catch up with a lot of old (and new) > engine friends. I took over 500 photos which I have to sort through but > these three are pretty special. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240539.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240540.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240541.JPG > > They show my Austral in front of the factory where it was built for the > first time since it was built in 1917 :) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Oct 25 04:56:51 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:56:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary - panoramic photo of entire rally ground In-Reply-To: <200410251113.i9PBDgjn097593@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200410251113.i9PBDgjn097593@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <417CEA03.5070901@steamengine.com.au> Here is a Panoramic photo of the rally ground (be patient it is not exactly small!!) http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/rona-tip-2004/pics/panorama_w.jpg The web server which hosts my site is having some problems... keep trying! Paul Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > Well I am finally home after covering some 2400km since last Thursday. The > Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary Rally was a great success with an estimated 600 -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Mon Oct 25 05:53:21 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:53:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone engine References: <200410231915.i9NJF57g082480@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <07ba01c4ba91$9d47f720$0301a8c0@ALEC> Isnt a British Pound sorta like a 32 ounce beer or something served in a big mug or stein??? Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 > I took a look at it but don't understand the symbol for the currency. What > is it, British Pounds or something else? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Oct 25 05:57:18 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 06:57:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Maytag twin Runs References: Message-ID: Good for you Francis!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 8:55 PM Subject: [SEL] Maytag twin Runs > Hi List > I acquired another Maytag twin engine (with a cast iron gas tank) this > weekend. The fuel tank was removed and cleaned. The fuel feed tube, > intake screen, > and check valve were cleaned or repaired. Apparently, this engine had not > been ran in a long time. I was just happy to get an engine with all the > parts. > After the cleaning and repairing was completed, it started with the second > kick and the Maytag runs now. > > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, California > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Oct 25 06:07:47 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:07:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Maytag twin Runs now Maytag values References: <1e5.2d62aa3b.2eadcc13@aol.com> Message-ID: Ron, Francis, anyone. At the place where we got the dragsaw and 4hp Famous, he also has a Maytag twin (the outboard cover is missing on the kickstart) and a complete washing machine in very good shape including decals, flex exhaust pipe and round muffler. It does not have the meat grinder or butter churn attach. The engine is single cylinder with ~ 90 paint still there, and it's not stuck. Even the casters caster good. The wringler rollers are shot tho. Lookin' for a fair price to offer him if ya'll have any suggestions. He laughed at our offer of 150 rockets for both :-( but I would have laughed also. The only blue book we have is Ebay and of course we don't think that's the real world :-) Thanks much! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag twin Runs > In a message dated 10/24/2004 11:15:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > FRM8198 at aol.com writes: > Hi List > I acquired another Maytag twin engine (with a cast iron gas tank) > After the cleaning and repairing was completed, it started with the second > kick and the Maytag runs now. > > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, California > Hi Fancis, > VERY GOOD! I am always pleased to hear of another Maytag coming to life. > Regards, > Ron Carroll > Maytag Underground Railroad, Eastern Terminal > Nokesville, Virginia > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Mon Oct 25 06:34:25 2004 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:34:25 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: The British Pound In-Reply-To: <07ba01c4ba91$9d47f720$0301a8c0@ALEC> References: <200410231915.i9NJF57g082480@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <07ba01c4ba91$9d47f720$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: In message <07ba01c4ba91$9d47f720$0301a8c0 at ALEC>, Alec Stevens writes >Isnt a British Pound sorta like a 32 ounce beer or something served in a big >mug or stein??? > > >Alec J. Stevens >Investment Specialist >80 Leighton Road, Suite C >Falmouth, ME 04105 >(800)842-6669 >(207)797-5169 >(207)797-2819 These days, a British Pound is a small brass coin measuring 22.65mm dia. (0.8917") and 3.3mm thick (0.13"), weighing approximately 8g (1/4 oz.) It always has a representation of the head of Queen Elizabeth the Second on the obverse but the reverse can have one of several designs. These designs have included an oak tree to represent England, a thistle to represent Scotland and a dragon to represent Wales. The edge of the coin is milled and carries an engraved inscription, which can also vary. The first "pound coin" issued in 1983 with the Royal Arms reverse had the inscription DECUS ET TUTAMEN which is Latin and means "An ornament and a safeguard". The second "pound coin" issued in 1984 with the thistle reverse had the inscription NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSIT which is also Latin and loosely translates to "if you mess with me you'll get hurt" or "No one provokes me with impunity" (see http://www.24carat.co.uk/nemomeimpunelacessit.html for some pictures and alternative translation :-)) A British pound will buy you 1 dollar 84 cents US or 2 dollars 46 cents Australian according to http://www.xe.com/ucc/ just now. It will also buy you about a half pint of beer or four cigarettes in Britain. If you earn 2,000 pounds a month before tax, you are earning the sort of money a college graduate might expect in his first job at age 21 or 22. You will get to keep about three-quarters (or less) of that after taxes. Hope this is helpful :-) Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Oct 25 06:48:29 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:48:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary - panoramic photo of entire rally ground & now whole gallery In-Reply-To: <417CEA03.5070901@steamengine.com.au> References: <200410251113.i9PBDgjn097593@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <417CEA03.5070901@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <417D042D.2060407@steamengine.com.au> Seems the server is dead for a bit... if you cannot get it and want the photo - please mail me off list and I'll send it to you. The full gallery is now loaded at: http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/rona-tip-2004/ This link will not start working until the web server is restarted I've tried mailing Paul Evans about the site but he rejected my message :(... Paul Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > Here is a Panoramic photo of the rally ground (be patient it is not > exactly small!!) > http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/rona-tip-2004/pics/panorama_w.jpg > > > The web server which hosts my site is having some problems... keep trying! > > Paul > > Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >> Well I am finally home after covering some 2400km since last Thursday. >> The >> Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary Rally was a great success with an >> estimated 600 > > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Mon Oct 25 06:51:05 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:51:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: The British Pound References: <200410231915.i9NJF57g082480@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><07ba01c4ba91$9d47f720$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <086401c4ba99$af5d33a0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Now this is why I am on the list, Good info from high quality people and of course this "bent" is engine related, Thanks Peter for the very educational description of the "pound" Alec J. Stevens > writes > >Isnt a British Pound sorta like a 32 ounce beer or something served in a big > >mug or stein??? > > >> > These days, a British Pound is a small brass coin measuring 22.65mm dia. > (0.8917") and 3.3mm thick (0.13"), weighing approximately 8g (1/4 oz.) > It always has a representation of the head of Queen Elizabeth the Second > on the obverse but the reverse can have one of several designs. These > designs have included an oak tree to represent England, a thistle to > represent Scotland and a dragon to represent Wales. The edge of the > coin is milled and carries an engraved inscription, which can also vary. > The first "pound coin" issued in 1983 with the Royal Arms reverse had > the inscription DECUS ET TUTAMEN which is Latin and means "An ornament > and a safeguard". The second "pound coin" issued in 1984 with the > thistle reverse had the inscription NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSIT which is > also Latin and loosely translates to "if you mess with me you'll get > hurt" or "No one provokes me with impunity" (see > http://www.24carat.co.uk/nemomeimpunelacessit.html for some pictures and > alternative translation :-)) > > A British pound will buy you 1 dollar 84 cents US or 2 dollars 46 cents > Australian according to http://www.xe.com/ucc/ just now. It will also > buy you about a half pint of beer or four cigarettes in Britain. If you > earn 2,000 pounds a month before tax, you are earning the sort of money > a college graduate might expect in his first job at age 21 or 22. You > will get to keep about three-quarters (or less) of that after taxes. > > Hope this is helpful :-) > > Regards > > Pete > -- > Peter Scales > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From shop at cccomm.net Mon Oct 25 06:53:28 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 06:53:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A pair of 1915 Hercules Engines Message-ID: <006f01c4ba9a$03a8caa0$6501a8c0@Shop> Last summer during a work lull between crops I dug out an old engine that was sitting in a corner for years. It definitely was a project engine, that's why it sat so long. Stuck wasn't the description for it. I pulled the head, made plates to cover the cylinder and ignitor port, filled the cylinder with diesel oil and put 125 lbs of air pressure inside and stood it in a corner. A few weeks later the fuel hadn't seeped through the rings. So I decided it was going to come apart whether something breaks or not. I turned a 1/2" plate to match the bore, inverted a heavy duty gear puller to push, gave it the rosebud treatment and put a 1/2" impact on the puller. Nothing. Next came a large drift punch and sledge. It moved and I don't believe it didn't break something. Later in the Summer my neighbor bought the same engine at a swap meet. We have decided to make "twins". Mine was without the serial tag and his dates to be a 1915 model. He paid $300 for a complete rough but running engine and I have paid more than that just for the mag and trip mechanism. Mine is together and running and will be unassembled for paint when we decide what color. I'll update the photos as we progress. Bob's http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31460386&f= Mine http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31299772&f= Dave From adamcottrill at telstra.com Mon Oct 25 07:05:06 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:05:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronnie Rally "Tie Down Them There Engins!!" Message-ID: Hi Guys, it was great to see some of you at the Ronnie Rally on the weekend and almost as great (ok i lie) even better that we got our Austral there number 384 and going for the first time in 60 years at the Rally. Having finished it on Thursday afternoon. We took it up Friday and on Saturday fired up the primus for the very first time We had quite a few experts look over it for before we tried to start it and found the sideshaft was one turn out. The Flywheel completes one full revolution the sideshaft will turn twice and even though the timing marks on the flywheel and shideshaft match we had it timed for the wrong stroke it was sucking through the exhaust and blowing out through the carbie. So we undid the brasses and jacked up the flywheel so we could turn the sideshaft to the right stroke. And tried again and she went!... for about 50 seconds and stoped we found the cam on the fuel pump wasnt pushing down the pump handle quite enough to make it pump and naturally it was starving the engine. With this fixed we tried unsuccessfully for the rest of Saturday to get the thing going with no luck and Jeremy helped get the pulley of we so much trouble getting off vowed he would get it going the next morning. The next morning we met up again with Jeremy warmed her up and with two of us spinning the flywheels on half compression she started again and ran for about 15 minutes until we stopped it to fix a water leak. Since this was an early Austral they have no priming port and you need to make sure you suck a gut full of kero into them to get the first fire. It ran faultlessly for the rest of the day I had the oil pouring into it to make sure everything was lubricated the drip feed oiler was on one drop every 5 seconds to help everything bed back in after 8 years of restoration and 60 years of not running. That evening we had to wait for the crane to load the engine back into the trailer but some smart cookie parked in the compound entrance so the crane couldnt get in and we ended up being the second last engine out of 614 to be loaded as the crane missed our compound and went to the next. While waiting the crane suddenly took off flying out of the arena to the road apprently it could do up to 95kmh we reckon it was doing close to 80kmh following where officals on quad bikes and ATVs something was going on!! A semi that had left shortly before from the gounds had rounded the corner from the rally and the 4hp Austral decided it has such a good time it didnt want to go home quite so soon fell off the back of the truck and narrowly missed the main display window of a new car dealership and came to a great amount of greif and damage on the curve of the road. It seems the owners had tied on the rest of the engines but had forgot about the smaller 4hp and when rounding the corner it rolled off. Fortunately no one was hurt and no other damage apart of that to the engine was caused but it was a timely reminded to us about the damage these things can do to both them selves and possibly others if not tied down and we double checked our chains. Chantal got some photos of the engine and subsequent recovery operation we she gets them devloped I'll post them on the list. Thanks so much to everyone on this list and who I seen at the rally who helped in getting our Austral going for the first time in 60 years. Its really appreciated and there is no doubt we couldnt have done it with out you. Kind regards, Adam P.S I should also mention the original owners of the engine made the visit especially to the rally to see it. Mr MacDonalds smile was I think bigger than mine when he seen her going again. From curt at imc-group.com Mon Oct 25 07:52:13 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:52:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag twin Runs In-Reply-To: <1e5.2d62aa3b.2eadcc13@aol.com> References: <1e5.2d62aa3b.2eadcc13@aol.com> Message-ID: <417D131D.6090907@imc-group.com> Oh Ron, that's some pretty fancy foot work your doin' to disguise your ulterior motive! Your "Maytag Underground Railroad, Eastern Terminal" front for your "Maytag Eradication Initive" might go unnoticed by the unsuspecting. But those of us that have witnessed your unrelenting carnage of Fred's curse know well what you are up to. Keep up the good work buddy! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC >Hi Fancis, >VERY GOOD! I am always pleased to hear of another Maytag coming to life. >Regards, >Ron Carroll >Maytag Underground Railroad, Eastern Terminal >Nokesville, Virginia >_______________________________________________ > > > From George_Best at adp.com Mon Oct 25 07:52:39 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:52:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 6hp Stickney? Message-ID: How rare is the 6hp Stickney? The early one with the flat top crankcase. Any idea on how many are out there and how much they're worth? George From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Oct 25 08:24:17 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:24:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] 6hp Stickney? References: Message-ID: <000a01c4baa6$b1b5b6b0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Never seen one George, looked it up in the bible and my conclusion is they are rare. I think at least 2K per hp. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > How rare is the 6hp Stickney? The early one with the flat top > crankcase. > > Any idea on how many are out there and how much they're worth? > > George From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Mon Oct 25 11:37:21 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:37:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 6hp Stickney? References: Message-ID: <088b01c4bac1$ac0faf20$0301a8c0@ALEC> George, I know where there is a stunning 7hp and it could be had for 8k. I think its actually worth more but I didnt buy it and I believe that figure is reasonable based on the 3 large Sticks. that were at Portland, the one I am referring to was not at Portland. Good luck. The Judge probably has 3 or 4 of them , I dont know what he paid for them but some ol' wider woman from Ky probably let them go for 1000 or so to settle taxes in the Judges local jurisdiction,,,,,,,,, I think thats how he got his last KC engine, I could be wrong................................... Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:52 AM Subject: [SEL] 6hp Stickney? > How rare is the 6hp Stickney? The early one with the flat top > crankcase. > > Any idea on how many are out there and how much they're worth? > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Oct 25 11:59:36 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:59:36 +0000 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan Message-ID: Hi Everyone, On my 3hp John Deere the oil in the crankcase leaked into the fuel tank. I have it all torn apart and found the two little holes where the oil leaked from the crankcase down into the fuel tank. I have the holes welded up and the rest of the steel looks to be in really good shape. I am ready to put it all back together. I know I need to use some cork gasket to seal up the mating surfaces, but should I use permatex or some type of instant gasket stuff too? I only want to do this one time and don't want leaky gaskets. I'm sure there are a few John Deere owners out there that have done this before and I'm looking for a tried and true method for doing this. Thanks. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From George_Best at adp.com Mon Oct 25 14:16:16 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:16:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 6hp Stickney? Message-ID: Alec, The 6hp Stickney is nothing like the later Stickney's. Only made 1903-1905, so prices for them are a different ballpark. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Alec Stevens > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:37 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] 6hp Stickney? > > George, > I know where there is a stunning 7hp and it could be had for > 8k. I think its actually worth more but I didnt buy it and I > believe that figure is reasonable based on the 3 large > Sticks. that were at Portland, the one I am referring to was > not at Portland. > Good luck. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Oct 25 14:34:00 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:34:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <417D7148.6080005@scrtc.com> Luke, I would use a good quality silicone. It will seal it tight and once it dries all you have to do is peel off the silicone that "squeezed out". Permatex can be a mess and certain types of it aren't as oil/fuel resistant as you might need for an application like this. PS - I would use either a clear silicone or black. Don't use the orange, red or one of the other bright colors as if there is a little of the squeezings that you don't peel off they will stick out like a sore thumb. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > On my 3hp John Deere the oil in the crankcase leaked into the fuel tank. > I have it all torn apart and found the two little holes where the oil > leaked from the crankcase down into the fuel tank. I have the holes > welded up and the rest of the steel looks to be in really good shape. I > am ready to put it all back together. I know I need to use some cork > gasket to seal up the mating surfaces, but should I use permatex or some > type of instant gasket stuff too? I only want to do this one time and > don't want leaky gaskets. I'm sure there are a few John Deere owners > out there that have done this before and I'm looking for a tried and > true method for doing this. Thanks. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From mraasch at hickorytech.net Mon Oct 25 14:08:34 2004 From: mraasch at hickorytech.net (Marc Raasch) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:08:34 -0500 Subject: Fw: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan Message-ID: <000a01c4bad6$ca41e3e0$edff72d8@hickorytech.net> I use a light coat of permatex on my gaskets for jd engines # 2 non hardening permatex is what i use. I don't like silacone mraasch at hickorytech.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:59 PM Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan > Hi Everyone, > > On my 3hp John Deere the oil in the crankcase leaked into the fuel tank. I > have it all torn apart and found the two little holes where the oil leaked > from the crankcase down into the fuel tank. I have the holes welded up and > the rest of the steel looks to be in really good shape. I am ready to put it > all back together. I know I need to use some cork gasket to seal up the > mating surfaces, but should I use permatex or some type of instant gasket > stuff too? I only want to do this one time and don't want leaky gaskets. > I'm sure there are a few John Deere owners out there that have done this > before and I'm looking for a tried and true method for doing this. Thanks. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mraasch at hickorytech.net Mon Oct 25 14:14:13 2004 From: mraasch at hickorytech.net (Marc Raasch) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:14:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] magneto color Message-ID: <006e01c4bad7$93dbb140$edff72d8@hickorytech.net> Hello list I need to know what the original magneto on jd gas engines was painted. Was the body green and to magnet black? Thanks mraasch at hickorytech.net From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Oct 25 14:58:48 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:58:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic In-Reply-To: <000f01c4b7bd$cf9fe100$7c86a5d8@mycomputer> References: <001101c4b7b5$5b36d420$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <000f01c4b7bd$cf9fe100$7c86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041025174242.01f38b68@mail.alltel.net> Hi Rex, I'm with you 100% on this! At the Arden show this past weekend some SOB had the same (Kerry for President of France) bumper sticker on his 16 HP Galloway. He was asked to remove it and on Saturday afternoon he did. He replaced it with one that said "Kerry SUCKS--and so do his supporters!" His change was applauded by about 15 show goers who were watching the whole thing. The "new" bumper sticker remained on this guy's engine until he packed up to leave on Sunday at about noon. I'll try to get some pictures of the show up tomorrow. I don't know what our hobby is coming to! Dave PS, This same guy was telling everyone who would listen that due to the heavier that expected voter turnout, Republicans are to vote on Tuesday the 2nd, and Democrats are to vote on Wednesday the 3rd. Thursday (the 4th) is apparently a "makeup day" for those who can't make it to the polls on their day. (At least this guy was doing his best to insure that all those who have thought deeply about the issues will have their vote counted!) At 06:32 PM 10/21/2004, you wrote: >Well if you want to use this site for political campaining I guess I'm outa >here just like Joe , Ive had enough , maybe I can find a true engine site , >bye all. and thanks for the help some of you gave me on my engine questions > > Rex Hinz >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "SEL" >Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:31 PM >Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic > > > > http://www.enginads.com/smokstak.cgi/read/77336&expand/1 > > > > I think I know this guy ... > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Oct 25 15:24:28 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:24:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 6hp Stickney? In-Reply-To: <088b01c4bac1$ac0faf20$0301a8c0@ALEC> References: <088b01c4bac1$ac0faf20$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: > but some ol' wider woman from Ky Did you mean a wider woman, or a "widder woman"? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Oct 25 15:34:47 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:34:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 6hp Stickney? In-Reply-To: <088b01c4bac1$ac0faf20$0301a8c0@ALEC> References: <088b01c4bac1$ac0faf20$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <417D7F87.5090704@scrtc.com> Alec, You've given away my secrets! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Alec Stevens wrote: > George, > I know where there is a stunning 7hp and it could be had for 8k. I think its > actually worth more but I didnt buy it and I believe that figure is > reasonable based on the 3 large Sticks. that were at Portland, the one I am > referring to was not at Portland. > Good luck. > The Judge probably has 3 or 4 of them , I dont know what he paid for them > but some ol' wider woman from Ky probably let them go for 1000 or so to > settle taxes in the Judges local jurisdiction,,,,,,,,, I think thats how he > got his last KC engine, I could be wrong................................... > > Alec J. Stevens > Investment Specialist > 80 Leighton Road, Suite C > Falmouth, ME 04105 > (800)842-6669 > (207)797-5169 > (207)797-2819 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Best" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:52 AM > Subject: [SEL] 6hp Stickney? > > > >>How rare is the 6hp Stickney? The early one with the flat top >>crankcase. >> >>Any idea on how many are out there and how much they're worth? >> >>George >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 25 16:16:14 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:16:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic References: <001101c4b7b5$5b36d420$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net><000f01c4b7bd$cf9fe100$7c86a5d8@mycomputer> <6.1.2.0.0.20041025174242.01f38b68@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <00c001c4bae8$9fda9d60$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > I'm with you 100% on this! At the Arden show this past weekend > some SOB had the same (Kerry for President of France) bumper sticker on his > 16 HP Galloway. OK I was right , I do know that guy . This guy was seen tooling around the Balkans . His engine I dont recognize from anywhere http://www.revdisk.net/photos/KosovoVehicle.jpg Chuck ? From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 25 16:22:59 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:22:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan References: Message-ID: <00c601c4bae9$914ceae0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> I only want to do this one time and don't want leaky gaskets. > I'm sure there are a few John Deere owners out there that have done this > before and I'm looking for a tried and true method for doing this. Thanks. Do want to take it apart with ease later ? Silicone will stay stuck to your gasket but peel off the steel real easy . black looks cool in moderation . Gray motoseal by Ptx is so thin you use a brush . thats moderation ! but the color ---feh #1 and #2 will have to be scraped off . If you are never going back #1 will seal it up like Chernyobl . Stuck . If you abide by the hope of salvagable gaskets on disassembly try Hylomar or grease , thinly spread . Chuck? From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Oct 25 17:04:12 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:04:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Maytag twin Runs now Maytag values References: <1e5.2d62aa3b.2eadcc13@aol.com> Message-ID: <002e01c4baef$53bde340$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Rick, It seems the washing machines aren't worth much, at least now. I got mine at auction last year for $5 with an electric motor on it. I was the only bidder on it. I have also watched e-bay, and the engines with washing machines bring less than the engines alone. Of course engines are easy to ship, and washing machines are not. Most require local pickup, and that hurts prices. Even with the aluminum tub, the washers are heavy. My thought on price, for what it's worth. Maybe $400 for both. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag twin Runs now Maytag values > Ron, Francis, anyone. At the place where we got the dragsaw and 4hp > Famous, he also has a Maytag twin (the outboard cover is missing on the > kickstart) and a complete washing machine in very good shape including > decals, flex exhaust pipe and round muffler. It does not have the meat > grinder or butter churn attach. The engine is single cylinder with ~ 90 > paint still there, and it's not stuck. Even the casters caster good. The > wringler rollers are shot tho. > > Lookin' for a fair price to offer him if ya'll have any suggestions. He > laughed at our offer of 150 rockets for both :-( but I would have laughed > also. > > The only blue book we have is Ebay and of course we don't think that's > the real world :-) > > Thanks much! > RickinMt. > From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Oct 25 17:39:57 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:39:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan References: Message-ID: <004601c4baf4$524a15b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Luke, A good cork/neoprene gasket usually seals well without anything on it. Silicone and cork/neoprene gaskets don't work and play well together. Maybe some copper coat. Good stuff. Silicone in direct contact with fuel is a no no from my experience, and an expensive lesson it was. Permatex? I personally don't like the stuff, but I'm sure others have great luck with it. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:59 PM Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan > Hi Everyone, > > On my 3hp John Deere the oil in the crankcase leaked into the fuel tank. I > have it all torn apart and found the two little holes where the oil leaked > from the crankcase down into the fuel tank. I have the holes welded up and > the rest of the steel looks to be in really good shape. I am ready to put > it all back together. I know I need to use some cork gasket to seal up the > mating surfaces, but should I use permatex or some type of instant gasket > stuff too? I only want to do this one time and don't want leaky gaskets. > I'm sure there are a few John Deere owners out there that have done this > before and I'm looking for a tried and true method for doing this. > Thanks. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Oct 25 18:04:01 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:04:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Auction results References: <006101c4b956$6efa25f0$6401a8c0@office><000c01c4ba2b$7d4c02b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <005301c4ba2f$5651d7d0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <005101c4baf7$aee7ece0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> John, I just dug through my papers here. I did find a Sattley that looks like the one you posted, except for the flywheels. About 1928 or so and the oiler is behind the hopper opening, but the flywheels are solid. It's a throttler with a Wico mag and plug in the side of the head. Maybe this is a real rare Sattley, or perhaps the flywheels were changed. The Sattley part of my Wards research is really kicking me around. Many variations, and I'm trying to get it right before I put it online. Maybe when the snow flies, cause it's a lot more fun working on one than researching one. As for the prices. Maybe inline for what they were, but way too steep for me. I still think half the fun is doing the restoration, or bringing it back to life un-restored and looking like this. In my dreams on this one. http://frapa.us/Chase/Chase05.html Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Auction results > Hi Jeff, > I believe the biggest reason some of the engines went for so much was > the fact that so many of the buyers knew the gentleman that owned them > before he died. Not only did he do superb jobs on restorations & getting > engines running, but he went the extra mile for anyone (myself included), > new to the hobby, or if they just needed a hand with an engine problem. He > knew alot about mags & was the one to go to around here for help. So, we > knew that all of those engines at the sale were in top knotch condition. > Also, the Sattley was in original condition with a Sattley decal on it. > Don't you think it looks like one? > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" >> Seems there are those buying engines as an investment. I can't imagine >> any engine person paying these prices, and near as I can tell the Sattley >> is not a Sattley. These are the prices that kept me away from the hobby >> several years ago. Hope this is not a trend for investors with the stock >> market where it is. Not at all good for the hobby. Thanks for posting. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Oct 25 18:18:51 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:18:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan References: Message-ID: <000901c4baf9$c4732500$4a83fb40@gary> Hi Luke, I took my 1 1/2 hp apart (needlessly, I might add) about 5 years ago. It did not leak before I took it apart and I found, when I took it apart that it had cereal box card board, Wheaties I believe, for a gasket between the oil sump and the gas tank. I couldn't bring myself to replace the cardboard with more of the like, so I made a used a gasket (cork, I believe) from a set I bought for the engine. It has not leaked in the last five years either. I did not use any gasket sealer of any kind. YMMV Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:59 PM Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan > Hi Everyone, > > On my 3hp John Deere the oil in the crankcase leaked into the fuel tank. I > have it all torn apart and found the two little holes where the oil leaked > from the crankcase down into the fuel tank. I have the holes welded up and > the rest of the steel looks to be in really good shape. I am ready to put it > all back together. I know I need to use some cork gasket to seal up the > mating surfaces, but should I use permatex or some type of instant gasket > stuff too? I only want to do this one time and don't want leaky gaskets. > I'm sure there are a few John Deere owners out there that have done this > before and I'm looking for a tried and true method for doing this. Thanks. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com Mon Oct 25 18:33:37 2004 From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:33:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Auction results References: <006101c4b956$6efa25f0$6401a8c0@office><000c01c4ba2b$7d4c02b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <005301c4ba2f$5651d7d0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <007301c4bafb$d1490e00$8bc77040@user> John, did you happen to notice if the John Deere was a high base or throttle governed? These would get that price easily. Looked at the picture but don't think it is a high base....could be wrong. ( usually am ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Auction results Hi Jeff, I believe the biggest reason some of the engines went for so much was the fact that so many of the buyers knew the gentleman that owned them before he died. Not only did he do superb jobs on restorations & getting engines running, but he went the extra mile for anyone (myself included), new to the hobby, or if they just needed a hand with an engine problem. He knew alot about mags & was the one to go to around here for help. So, we knew that all of those engines at the sale were in top knotch condition. Also, the Sattley was in original condition with a Sattley decal on it. Don't you think it looks like one? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" > Seems there are those buying engines as an investment. I can't imagine any > engine person paying these prices, and near as I can tell the Sattley is > not a Sattley. These are the prices that kept me away from the hobby > several years ago. Hope this is not a trend for investors with the stock > market where it is. Not at all good for the hobby. Thanks for posting. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From yostsw at atis.net Mon Oct 25 18:45:44 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:45:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200410252145440328.02200A79@heavyiron.atis.net> "Instant gasket" stuff (ie Blue RTV silcone) is a gasket maker. The idea is to use it OR use gaskets - not together. When using gaskets, only use gasket sealants. I use Permetex's gasket sealant called "Hi-tack". Its purpose it to better seal the gasket (no weeping over time like you would see if you installed it bare) and to hold the gasket in place during assembly. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 10/25/2004 at 6:59 PM Luke Tonneberger wrote: >Hi Everyone, > >On my 3hp John Deere the oil in the crankcase leaked into the fuel tank. I >have it all torn apart and found the two little holes where the oil leaked >from the crankcase down into the fuel tank. I have the holes welded up and >the rest of the steel looks to be in really good shape. I am ready to put >it >all back together. I know I need to use some cork gasket to seal up the >mating surfaces, but should I use permatex or some type of instant gasket >stuff too? I only want to do this one time and don't want leaky gaskets. >I'm sure there are a few John Deere owners out there that have done this >before and I'm looking for a tried and true method for doing this. Thanks. > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Oct 25 20:13:49 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:13:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan In-Reply-To: <004601c4baf4$524a15b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> References: <004601c4baf4$524a15b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <417DC0ED.7070806@scrtc.com> Jeff, Off the shelf silicone won't work. You have to get the automotive sealant that is oil and fuel resistant. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Jeff Allen wrote: > Luke, > > Silicone in direct contact with fuel is a no no from my experience, > and an expensive lesson it was. Permatex? I personally don't like the > stuff, but I'm sure others have great luck with it. > From dotto at velocitus.net Mon Oct 25 20:31:39 2004 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:31:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c4bb0c$52075370$01043c0a@DD1BF421> Luke When I did my 1.5 hp Deere I used Gortex gasket tape. The stuff I had is about 3/8" or 1/2" wide and about 1/8" thick. It will compress and conform to most any surface. I have run it every summer since and it has never given me any trouble. It is Teflon so gas and oil will not touch it. The John Deere gaskets are plain cork and not even worth the time to install. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke Tonneberger Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:00 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan Hi Everyone, On my 3hp John Deere the oil in the crankcase leaked into the fuel tank. I have it all torn apart and found the two little holes where the oil leaked from the crankcase down into the fuel tank. I have the holes welded up and the rest of the steel looks to be in really good shape. I am ready to put it all back together. I know I need to use some cork gasket to seal up the mating surfaces, but should I use permatex or some type of instant gasket stuff too? I only want to do this one time and don't want leaky gaskets. I'm sure there are a few John Deere owners out there that have done this before and I'm looking for a tried and true method for doing this. Thanks. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 25 21:08:17 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:08:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] magneto color References: <006e01c4bad7$93dbb140$edff72d8@hickorytech.net> Message-ID: <001801c4bb11$6cfb4060$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> No paint on the body at all Marc, just black on the magnet, the hold down strap was also unpainted. Here is a shot of the way I do them http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/mag-associated-jd.jpg I bead blast the body and the end cap then buff them with a clean handheld wire brush. It give that "Fresh Out of the Die" look. To stop rust I use "Cast Iron Gray" on the strap and then give the whole Mag a coat of clear lacquer. On the other hand, yellow with purple flowers would suit a lot of this mob. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Raasch" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 4:14 PM Subject: [SEL] magneto color > Hello list > I need to know what the original magneto on jd gas engines was painted. > Was the body green and to magnet black? > Thanks > mraasch at hickorytech.net > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bethell1 at iinet.net.au Tue Oct 26 01:29:23 2004 From: bethell1 at iinet.net.au (jim bethell) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:29:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary References: <200410251113.i9PBDgjn097593@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <005d01c4bb35$e7e93e20$75eccecb@default> Good to catch up with some fellow list members at the Rally. Took my 6.5hp Austral no. 875 down and ran for all the time we had water, we got ours at 1.30 pm sat. Hope Naracoorte don't forget to put on plenty of water carts, we tend to pay the local fire brigade to attend the Junction Rally and they gladly help with two fast fill trucks. Did two tyres on the way home,(two out of six aint that bad I suppose on a triaxle trailer). Jim Bethell Mildura "Gateway to the outback" bethell1 at iinet.net..au http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:13 PM Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary > Well I am finally home after covering some 2400km since last Thursday. The > Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary Rally was a great success with an estimated 600 > engines of which I would guess about 200 were Austral Oil Engines. (For our > non-Aussie list members that means 200 side-shaft engines!). I arrived on > Friday and set my Austral up next to Brock's as we were the only > representatives of the Sydney and Canberra Clubs. From where my engine stood > I could see the remaining structure of the factory where my engine was built > and clearly on the wall could be read "Ronaldson Bros". (The "& Tippett part > of the building is gone). > Friday night we headed out to Lyndsay's shed and had a look at his engines > and then visited another local collectors shed to look at his engines. I > think we finally got to bed about 1am. > Saturday was a cold miserable day and it was not helped by the only real > glitch in the rally organising. Quite a number of engines (mine and Brock's > included) did not get any water until well after lunchtime. The club > officials were quite unapologetic about this lapse of organization. > Once we had water the fun part was keeping the oil engines running as a cool > breeze and drizzly rain does not make for good weather to keep them running. > The Saturday night dinner was good and was held amongst an amazing > collection of R-T memorabilia. There were factory ledgers, photos, casting > patterns, parts books, catalogues, etc. Every time you looked around you > found something else amazing too look at. > The weather was a lot better on Sunday and I ended up with sore feet from > walking around trying too see all the engines. There were some very nice > rare examples including the early vertical and horizontal engines, all > manner of Australs, Type D, G, N, Diesels, and even a twin cylinder Type N! > The 3pm shutdown came along amazingly fast and now the fun part was getting > 600 engines out of the place when, of course, everyone wanted to leave at > once. Where they failed with the water they succeeded with organising the > departure. Two cranes were working there way down the compounds as well as > club members directing the vehicles loading the engines onto trailers. We > even loaded my engine with the crane which turned a 15 minute job into a 30 > second one. > It was a great weekend and I got to catch up with a lot of old (and new) > engine friends. I took over 500 photos which I have to sort through but > these three are pretty special. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240539.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240540.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240541.JPG > > They show my Austral in front of the factory where it was built for the > first time since it was built in 1917 :) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Oct 26 04:35:47 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:35:47 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary References: <200410251113.i9PBDgjn097593@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <005d01c4bb35$e7e93e20$75eccecb@default> Message-ID: <000701c4bb4f$f5961240$a6a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Congratulations to the Rally organisers...sounds like you all had a great time. I had been looking forward to Naracoorte. I was prepared for it but i am afraid the cost of fuel is now going to have a big influence on my decision wether to go or not. What is giving me the shits is that diesel is now more expensive than petrol..........what goes on? ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim bethell" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary > Good to catch up with some fellow list members at the Rally. Took my 6.5hp > Austral no. 875 down and ran for all the time we had water, we got ours at > 1.30 pm sat. Hope Naracoorte don't forget to put on plenty of water carts, > we tend to pay the local fire brigade to attend the Junction Rally and they > gladly help with two fast fill trucks. Did two tyres on the way home,(two > out of six aint that bad I suppose on a triaxle trailer). > Jim Bethell > Mildura "Gateway to the outback" > bethell1 at iinet.net..au > http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; > "Stationary Engine Mailing List" > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:13 PM > Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary > > > > Well I am finally home after covering some 2400km since last Thursday. The > > Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary Rally was a great success with an estimated > 600 > > engines of which I would guess about 200 were Austral Oil Engines. (For > our > > non-Aussie list members that means 200 side-shaft engines!). I arrived on > > Friday and set my Austral up next to Brock's as we were the only > > representatives of the Sydney and Canberra Clubs. From where my engine > stood > > I could see the remaining structure of the factory where my engine was > built > > and clearly on the wall could be read "Ronaldson Bros". (The "& Tippett > part > > of the building is gone). > > Friday night we headed out to Lyndsay's shed and had a look at his engines > > and then visited another local collectors shed to look at his engines. I > > think we finally got to bed about 1am. > > Saturday was a cold miserable day and it was not helped by the only real > > glitch in the rally organising. Quite a number of engines (mine and > Brock's > > included) did not get any water until well after lunchtime. The club > > officials were quite unapologetic about this lapse of organization. > > Once we had water the fun part was keeping the oil engines running as a > cool > > breeze and drizzly rain does not make for good weather to keep them > running. > > The Saturday night dinner was good and was held amongst an amazing > > collection of R-T memorabilia. There were factory ledgers, photos, casting > > patterns, parts books, catalogues, etc. Every time you looked around you > > found something else amazing too look at. > > The weather was a lot better on Sunday and I ended up with sore feet from > > walking around trying too see all the engines. There were some very nice > > rare examples including the early vertical and horizontal engines, all > > manner of Australs, Type D, G, N, Diesels, and even a twin cylinder Type > N! > > The 3pm shutdown came along amazingly fast and now the fun part was > getting > > 600 engines out of the place when, of course, everyone wanted to leave at > > once. Where they failed with the water they succeeded with organising the > > departure. Two cranes were working there way down the compounds as well as > > club members directing the vehicles loading the engines onto trailers. We > > even loaded my engine with the crane which turned a 15 minute job into a > 30 > > second one. > > It was a great weekend and I got to catch up with a lot of old (and new) > > engine friends. I took over 500 photos which I have to sort through but > > these three are pretty special. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240539.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240540.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240541.JPG > > > > They show my Austral in front of the factory where it was built for the > > first time since it was built in 1917 :) > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > > Leichhardt NSW > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Oct 26 04:57:09 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:57:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] magneto color In-Reply-To: <001801c4bb11$6cfb4060$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <006e01c4bad7$93dbb140$edff72d8@hickorytech.net> <001801c4bb11$6cfb4060$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041026075555.02136650@mail.alltel.net> >On the other hand, yellow with purple flowers would suit a lot of this mob. > >Ted Brookover Hi Ted, Would that call for a true purple, or something bordering more on the PUCE side? Dave From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Oct 26 05:07:28 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:07:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary - panoramic photo of entire rally ground & now whole gallery *** STEAMENGINE is down - please use backup mirror In-Reply-To: <417D042D.2060407@steamengine.com.au> References: <200410251113.i9PBDgjn097593@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <417CEA03.5070901@steamengine.com.au> <417D042D.2060407@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <417E3E00.6020102@steamengine.com.au> The server in the UK is down (Paul Evans - Help!!) so I've reasurrected the old server. You can get to it at www2.steamengine.com.au http://www2.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/rona-tip-2004/ http://www2.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/rona-tip-2004/pics/panorama_w.jpg Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > Seems the server is dead for a bit... if you cannot get it and want the > photo - please mail me off list and I'll send it to you. > > The full gallery is now loaded at: > http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/rona-tip-2004/ > This link will not start working until the web server is restarted > > > I've tried mailing Paul Evans about the site but he rejected my message > :(... > > Paul > > Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > >> Here is a Panoramic photo of the rally ground (be patient it is not >> exactly small!!) >> http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/rona-tip-2004/pics/panorama_w.jpg >> >> >> The web server which hosts my site is having some problems... keep >> trying! >> >> Paul >> >> Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >> >>> Well I am finally home after covering some 2400km since last >>> Thursday. The >>> Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary Rally was a great success with an >>> estimated 600 >> >> >> > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Oct 26 05:12:34 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:12:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary In-Reply-To: <000701c4bb4f$f5961240$a6a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <200410251113.i9PBDgjn097593@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <005d01c4bb35$e7e93e20$75eccecb@default> <000701c4bb4f$f5961240$a6a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <417E3F32.8050402@steamengine.com.au> It is called tax. I asked my local servo about it (I know the owner) - he said the wholesale has gone up because of a new commercial heavy vehicle levy. Pity we don't have commercial heavy vehicles now isnt it. Paul peter ogborne wrote: > What is giving me the shits is that diesel is now more expensive than > petrol..........what goes on? -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Oct 26 05:31:10 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:31:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ottawa TE4 running again Message-ID: <417E438E.6060205@steamengine.com.au> She is going again. The engine I brought home from the US was all put back together (thanks to a mate Stan who made new studs and refaced the head nice and flat) this weekend and taken to the Stringy Bark Festival in Melbourne. Before taking it down the best I'd made it do was pop a few times with most of the combustion happening within the muffler. At the rally I set up and one of the other club members (thanks Nick!) helped me sort it out. It is now timed absolutely nothing like the recommendations made by Ottawa and it is just purring along. The only outstanding issues are it is getting too hot and the engine will run with the governor completely closing the butterfly which probably means it is leaking or there is some other path past the valve within the carby. This would not surprise me since the carby is a nasty rough sand casting in iron. I'll sort it out at the Lake Goldsmith rally coming up this weekend at Beaufort. I'm taking the Ottawa and the drag saw and should be cutting all weekend. Made a new belt for the saw last night. Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Oct 26 05:46:49 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 06:46:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Maytag twin Runs now Maytag values References: <1e5.2d62aa3b.2eadcc13@aol.com> <002e01c4baef$53bde340$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: Appreciate the advise Jeff! That goes along with Corky's thinkin'. If the pockets deepen a little maybe I'll just go for the twin by itself. Take Care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag twin Runs now Maytag values > Rick, > > It seems the washing machines aren't worth much, at least now. I got mine > at > auction last year for $5 with an electric motor on it. I was the only > bidder > on it. > > I have also watched e-bay, and the engines with washing machines bring > less > than the engines alone. Of course engines are easy to ship, and washing > machines are not. Most require local pickup, and that hurts prices. Even > with the aluminum tub, the washers are heavy. > > My thought on price, for what it's worth. Maybe $400 for both. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:07 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag twin Runs now Maytag values > > > > Ron, Francis, anyone. At the place where we got the dragsaw and 4hp > > Famous, he also has a Maytag twin (the outboard cover is missing on the > > kickstart) and a complete washing machine in very good shape including > > decals, flex exhaust pipe and round muffler. It does not have the meat > > grinder or butter churn attach. The engine is single cylinder with ~ 90 > > paint still there, and it's not stuck. Even the casters caster good. > > The > > wringler rollers are shot tho. > > > > Lookin' for a fair price to offer him if ya'll have any suggestions. > > He > > laughed at our offer of 150 rockets for both :-( but I would have > > laughed > > also. > > > > The only blue book we have is Ebay and of course we don't think that's > > the real world :-) > > > > Thanks much! > > RickinMt. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Oct 26 05:52:42 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:52:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Auction results References: <006101c4b956$6efa25f0$6401a8c0@office><000c01c4ba2b$7d4c02b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221><005301c4ba2f$5651d7d0$6401a8c0@office> <005101c4baf7$aee7ece0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <002701c4bb5a$b1980fc0$bf6f29cb@oemcomputer> Ht engine is Nelson Bros built.The muffler and the fylwheels are a real give away.I would think sattly badged these engines as they did to Field and brundidge. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 11:04 Subject: Re: [SEL] Auction results > John, > > I just dug through my papers here. I did find a Sattley that looks like the > one you posted, except for the flywheels. About 1928 or so and the oiler is > behind the hopper opening, but the flywheels are solid. It's a throttler > with a Wico mag and plug in the side of the head. Maybe this is a real rare > Sattley, or perhaps the flywheels were changed. > > The Sattley part of my Wards research is really kicking me around. Many > variations, and I'm trying to get it right before I put it online. Maybe > when the snow flies, cause it's a lot more fun working on one than > researching one. > > As for the prices. Maybe inline for what they were, but way too steep for > me. I still think half the fun is doing the restoration, or bringing it back > to life un-restored and looking like this. In my dreams on this one. > http://frapa.us/Chase/Chase05.html > > Jeff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Cullom" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:09 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Auction results > > > > Hi Jeff, > > I believe the biggest reason some of the engines went for so much was > > the fact that so many of the buyers knew the gentleman that owned them > > before he died. Not only did he do superb jobs on restorations & getting > > engines running, but he went the extra mile for anyone (myself included), > > new to the hobby, or if they just needed a hand with an engine problem. He > > knew alot about mags & was the one to go to around here for help. So, we > > knew that all of those engines at the sale were in top knotch condition. > > Also, the Sattley was in original condition with a Sattley decal on it. > > Don't you think it looks like one? > > John > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jeff Allen" > >> Seems there are those buying engines as an investment. I can't imagine > >> any engine person paying these prices, and near as I can tell the Sattley > >> is not a Sattley. These are the prices that kept me away from the hobby > >> several years ago. Hope this is not a trend for investors with the stock > >> market where it is. Not at all good for the hobby. Thanks for posting. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. From jhcullom at adelphia.net Tue Oct 26 06:17:13 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:17:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Auction results References: <006101c4b956$6efa25f0$6401a8c0@office><000c01c4ba2b$7d4c02b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221><005301c4ba2f$5651d7d0$6401a8c0@office> <007301c4bafb$d1490e00$8bc77040@user> Message-ID: <005301c4bb5e$1bbe6900$6401a8c0@office> Hi Paul, There's a thread on the auction on Harry's page. Here's a picture someone else took of it... http://www.enginads.com/smokstak.cgi/noframes/read/77807 John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Russell" > John, did you happen to notice if the John Deere was a high base or > throttle > governed? These would get that price easily. Looked at the picture but > don't > think it is a high base....could be wrong. ( usually am ) From plb at iinet.net.au Tue Oct 26 06:50:53 2004 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:50:53 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary - panoramic photo of entirerally ground & now whole gallery *** STEAMENGINE is down - please usebackup mirror References: <200410251113.i9PBDgjn097593@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <417CEA03.5070901@steamengine.com.au><417D042D.2060407@steamengine.com.au> <417E3E00.6020102@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <011b01c4bb62$cf8fbf70$0201010a@Portable> Excellant pics thanks Paul! Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary - panoramic photo of entirerally ground & now whole gallery *** STEAMENGINE is down - please usebackup mirror > The server in the UK is down (Paul Evans - Help!!) so I've reasurrected > the old server. You can get to it at www2.steamengine.com.au > > http://www2.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/rona-tip-2004/ > http://www2.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/rona-tip-2004/pics/panorama_w.jpg > > Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > >> Seems the server is dead for a bit... if you cannot get it and want the >> photo - please mail me off list and I'll send it to you. >> >> The full gallery is now loaded at: >> http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/rona-tip-2004/ >> This link will not start working until the web server is restarted >> >> >> I've tried mailing Paul Evans about the site but he rejected my message >> :(... >> >> Paul >> >> Paul Pavlinovich wrote: >> >>> Here is a Panoramic photo of the rally ground (be patient it is not >>> exactly small!!) >>> http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/rona-tip-2004/pics/panorama_w.jpg >>> >>> The web server which hosts my site is having some problems... keep >>> trying! >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >>> >>>> Well I am finally home after covering some 2400km since last Thursday. >>>> The >>>> Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary Rally was a great success with an estimated >>>> 600 >>> >>> >>> >> > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Tue Oct 26 15:06:54 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:06:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] He knows that guy Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7027EC9DC@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>OK I was right , I do know that guy . >>This guy was seen tooling around the Balkans . >>His engine I dont recognize from anywhere >> http://www.revdisk.net/photos/KosovoVehicle.jpg >>Chuck (r) Not too much of it is visible, but it looks kinda like a Deutz diesel single I used on a water pump back in the mid 70's. No fun to crank, even with the compression release. Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From MaytagTwin at aol.com Tue Oct 26 15:23:28 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:23:28 EDT Subject: [SEL] He knows that guy Message-ID: <74.45027a5e.2eb02860@aol.com> Hi Bruce, Note the rope start spool? I have an Acme diesel, 9 HP air cooled, on a tiller. It is easy to start using a rope. The trick is to crank it by keeping the rope tight and pulling it like a yo-yo, letting it bounce back off the compression stroke. Then, once you get it started bouncing, pull it on through and it starts. Trying to just pull it through without bouncing it is almost impossible. Ron PS: Do you suppose that rig would get through the auto inspection station? In a message dated 10/26/2004 6:10:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us writes: Not too much of it is visible, but it looks kinda like a Deutz diesel single I used on a water pump back in the mid 70's. No fun to crank, even with the compression release. From sleis at mwt.net Tue Oct 26 18:16:58 2004 From: sleis at mwt.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:16:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Alamo engine Message-ID: <000a01c4bbc2$a89c94a0$2455becf@computer> Hi List I was wondering if any one knows were I can get main bearings for the 1 1/2hp Alamo blue line Stacy :-) From BetCleve321 at aol.com Tue Oct 26 16:31:33 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:31:33 EDT Subject: [SEL] Alamo engine Message-ID: <7a.64d13fbe.2eb03855@aol.com> You have one? I had one when I was a kid back in the late '40s.I got it from Clarance adams just outside Hillsdale MI where we lived. The engine has poured babbit bearings. Skip Cleveland From rexhinz at chorus.net Tue Oct 26 16:37:18 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:37:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nice domestic References: <001101c4b7b5$5b36d420$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net><000f01c4b7bd$cf9fe100$7c86a5d8@mycomputer> <6.1.2.0.0.20041025174242.01f38b68@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001201c4bbb4$bdc66620$6786a5d8@mycomputer> Hi all ; About my post about leaving SEL I just plain told a lie , I'm still here reading every post , The day I posted that outburst was a real bad hair day for me, here are a few excuses for my bad behaviror . 1. I had a Headace 2. I ran out of Old Mil 3. My Wife ran away with my best friend 4. I miss my best friend 5. I don't like Kerry 6.I wouldn't do that to France 7. I'm stupid Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice domestic > Hi Rex, > I'm with you 100% on this! At the Arden show this past weekend > some SOB had the same (Kerry for President of France) bumper sticker on his > 16 HP Galloway. > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 26 07:41:22 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:41:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan References: <004601c4baf4$524a15b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <417DC0ED.7070806@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <001b01c4bb69$ddad5160$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > > Silicone in direct contact with fuel is a no no from my experience, > > and an expensive lesson it was. Permatex? I personally don't like the > > stuff, but I'm sure others have great luck with it. oh yeah !! if you use it on the bottom side of that joint , and use enough of it it will melt like taffy and then recongeal all over the inside of the fuel system and make it look like a rubber coated water park ride . From paul at semidiesel.com Tue Oct 26 17:42:44 2004 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 01:42:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ronaldson-Tippett Centenary - panoramic photo of entirerally ground & now whole gallery *** STEAMENGINE is down - please usebackup mirror In-Reply-To: <417E3E00.6020102@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: Sorry about that, server was upgraded while I was away overnight and things did not go according to plan. Now sorted. Cheers Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/04 From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Oct 26 18:32:22 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:32:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ottawa Drag Saw Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041026210908.0214e658@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, Several weeks ago at the Cotton Ginning Show I watched while three drag saws (a 1 3/4 HP Herc, a 4 HP Ottawa and a 5 HP Ottawa) were used to cut rounds and provide something for the crowd to carry away--See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/ That was enough to convince me that I needed one for our local shows here in PA. I called a few friends to let them know of my need, but no one knew where one was for sale. There was one on e-bay, but it was in AZ and the trip would have been a bit too far. Then last week-end at the Arden show I asked around and sure enough Robert Blanchard had a 5 HP Ottawa drag saw for sale for $1,000.00. Robert told me that it was an older restoration and it ran/cut well. There was an extra blade and a repro manual that went along with it and it was located at his home in near Raleigh, NC--about 200 miles from the show. I gave Robert a deposit for the saw and by 1:00 on Sunday Arnie and I were headed East on Rt. 40 toward Raleigh. By 7:30 we had the drag saw loaded into my truck and were on our way north toward home. The saw is now unloaded and in my garage. It can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/5_HP_Ottawa_Drag_Saw/ (The extra wheel is an "add on" to help with the moving of the saw. It is removed for cutting.) Later this week (if the weather co-operates) I'll try it out on a log or two! Dave PS, Can anyone tell me the year of manufacture of this saw--S/N TE 28815? PPS, Rob suggests that I NOT put ropes/fence up around it when demonstrating. He says that if something goes wrong I'll want to get out of the way rapidly and might trip on the rope/fence! From jbcast at charter.net Tue Oct 26 19:22:22 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 2:22:22 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Ottawa Drag Saw Message-ID: <3iteat$e67sni@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net> Nice looking saw Dave, we have a saying when watching Dick Gibbens saw operate. "There ain't nothin' on there can't hurt ya". J.B. Castagnos Belle ROse, LA From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Oct 26 19:44:47 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:44:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Alamo engine In-Reply-To: <000a01c4bbc2$a89c94a0$2455becf@computer> Message-ID: <004101c4bbce$ee9229f0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Alamo built engines, including Rock Island, Alamo, Lindsay-Alamo and many others have poured babbet bearings. Several on the list here can tell you how......... I have a doc on my web site if I recall from someone who did it and described the process in detail. (I have a 2hp Blue Line and a 1.5 Lindsay-Alamo) Bill Antique-engines.com -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Stacy Leis Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:17 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Alamo engine Hi List I was wondering if any one knows were I can get main bearings for the 1 1/2hp Alamo blue line Stacy :-) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Oct 26 19:51:31 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:51:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ottawa Drag Saw In-Reply-To: <3iteat$e67sni@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3iteat$e67sni@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041026224936.02006a40@mail.alltel.net> At 10:22 PM 10/26/2004, you wrote: >Nice looking saw Dave, we have a saying when watching Dick Gibbens saw >operate. "There ain't nothin' on there can't hurt ya". >J.B. Castagnos Hi J.B., Looks like that to me as well! You should have seen all three of them going at once at the Cotton Ginning! Dave From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Oct 26 19:57:09 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:57:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan In-Reply-To: <001b01c4bb69$ddad5160$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <200410270257.i9R2vIXd027626@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > > will melt like taffy and then recongeal all over the inside > of the fuel system and make it look like a rubber coated > water park ride . Here's a little anecdote for ya that only applies to John Deeres and silicone. A chap brought a Deere over saying that it would run for fifteen minutes and then die. After the engine sat a while, it would fire back up, but only for fifteen minutes. Rather than try to reproduce the symtoms, I took the report as accurate. Turning the engine over slowly by hand produced a faint, but unmistakably unusual, sound. The next step was to remove the cover and find the source of the unusual noise. Surprise, surprise, surprise! The crankcase had a buildup of powdered aluminum from the scuffed up aftermarket piston. The piston was as dry as the proverbial bone! Further investigation revealed that a little bugger of silicone had come loose and lodged in the itty-bitty hole that allows oil into the oil cup. You Deere guys know what I mean. If the hole gets plugged, no oil goes into the cup, no oil gets flung around the crankcase, the bits become DRY, and then nasty things happen. Luckily, the damage was not so bad that it couldn't be fixed with a thorough cleaning and a few squirts of oil. It's not like the engine had to turn four second quarter miles. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Oct 26 20:04:40 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:04:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ottawa Drag Saw Message-ID: <20041026.230630.1192.9.jlb94@juno.com> Nice find Dave - I agree 100% with Rob about tripping over the ropes. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Oct 26 20:19:48 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:19:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Selling an old engine Message-ID: <002201c4bbd3$d17ed3e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Please respond off list. Forwarded for those that might have an interest in this. ----- Original Message ----- From: Walter and Rita To: transteck at earthlink.net Cc: Walter and Rita Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:55 PM Subject: Selling an old engine Dear Sir: I am interested in identifying and selling an old flathead inline 6 engine that is installed in a late 1940's International Harvester SP 125 Combine I own. I am told the engine may be a Hercules, Continental, or Chrysler Industrial. Could you help me get started? Thank you. Walter at nixons at theglobal.net From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Oct 26 20:20:12 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:20:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] He knows that guy References: <74.45027a5e.2eb02860@aol.com> Message-ID: <004001c4bbd3$e2b2aab0$5783fb40@gary> Sure, Ron, just bring it on down to Ozark County. I think we can get it through. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] He knows that guy > > PS: Do you suppose that rig would get through the auto inspection station? > > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Oct 26 20:43:24 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:43:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sattley documentation Message-ID: <003401c4bbd7$1fa61f80$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Sorry all, I've had my fill. The world is flat, the sun revolves around the earth, and Montgomery Ward and Co. never built their own engines. All Sattleys where Field and Brundage or Nelson Bros. branded engines. The original catalogs I used in my research are all propaganda and I continue to disseminate these falsehoods. I will do so no longer. Not worth the battle, the flames, or the time and money I have spent. Evidence and citation be damned when there is hearsay to depend on. Am I an idiot? YES!! I tried to research and share information. Idiot 101 and now ready for 102. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ PS The "false information" will be offline by weeks end. From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Oct 27 05:17:16 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:17:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Tale of Two Tangye's References: <200410170928.i9H9SXMT046716@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002e01c4b4a9$0436f600$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <008701c4bc1e$e8295480$8a5eecdc@km> G'day All Last year after looking for one for a while I purchased an English Tangye 5hp side shaft at an aution, it was in rough condition with many parts having to be cast and also having to be resleaved. new rings etc. Last month I was asked to look at an unknown engine in the next town by my brother in law to give my opinion on a fair price, when we saw the engine I could not believe it, a nealy complete Tangye with a lot of original paint sitting under cover. The B.I.Law backed out of purchasing the engine and I could not resist, other than who needs two engines of the same but the deal was good and I now have something to use to copy the remaining parts. I purchased the engine from an old lady that had just put her 85year old husband into hospital, she was selling up and moving. it was sad to hear he past away 3 days after I bought the engine Anyway she said the engine had been laying there for many many years, he did get it to run once but could not remember what he originally got it for. To see the pictures http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Tangye1.html Kerry From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Oct 27 05:30:35 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:30:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sattley documentation In-Reply-To: <003401c4bbd7$1fa61f80$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> References: <003401c4bbd7$1fa61f80$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <417F94EB.7040501@scrtc.com> Jeff, I hope you don't take the Sattley info off. There are a lot of folks who are experts and dispute researched info. Their documentation is what had been heard or said to them or possibly what they read 10 years ago (sorry to say that with what we read, accuracy fades with time). Sure errors can be made. But, that doesn't make the entire work bad. Hang in there. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky Jeff Allen wrote: > Sorry all, > > I've had my fill. The world is flat, the sun revolves around the earth, and Montgomery Ward and Co. never built their own engines. All Sattleys where Field and Brundage or Nelson Bros. branded engines. The original catalogs I used in my research are all propaganda and I continue to disseminate these falsehoods. I will do so no longer. Not worth the battle, the flames, or the time and money I have spent. Evidence and citation be damned when there is hearsay to depend on. > > Am I an idiot? YES!! I tried to research and share information. Idiot 101 and now ready for 102. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > > PS The "false information" will be offline by weeks end. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Oct 27 05:51:06 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 06:51:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ottawa Drag Saw References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041026210908.0214e658@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Nice!! Dave. Neat place for a primer cup. You didn't by chance get any pictures of the 1 3/4 Herc did you? Makes me want to start on mine, but the shop is next after the Galloway Saw Outfit. Good Luck with 'er. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:32 PM Subject: [SEL] Ottawa Drag Saw > Hi All, > Several weeks ago at the Cotton Ginning Show I watched while three drag > saws (a 1 3/4 HP Herc, a 4 HP Ottawa and a 5 HP Ottawa) were used to cut > rounds and provide something for the crowd to carry away--See: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/ > That was enough to convince me that I needed one for our local shows here > in PA. I called a few friends to let them know of my need, but no one knew > where one was for sale. There was one on e-bay, but it was in AZ and the > trip would have been a bit too far. Then last week-end at the Arden show I > asked around and sure enough Robert Blanchard had a 5 HP Ottawa drag saw > for sale for $1,000.00. Robert told me that it was an older restoration > and > it ran/cut well. There was an extra blade and a repro manual that went > along with it and it was located at his home in near Raleigh, NC--about > 200 > miles from the show. I gave Robert a deposit for the saw and by 1:00 on > Sunday Arnie and I were headed East on Rt. 40 toward Raleigh. By 7:30 we > had the drag saw loaded into my truck and were on our way north toward > home. > The saw is now unloaded and in my garage. It can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/5_HP_Ottawa_Drag_Saw/ > (The extra wheel is an "add on" to help with the moving of the saw. It is > removed for cutting.) Later this week (if the weather co-operates) I'll > try > it out on a log or two! > Dave > PS, Can anyone tell me the year of manufacture of this saw--S/N TE 28815? > PPS, Rob suggests that I NOT put ropes/fence up around it when > demonstrating. He says that if something goes wrong I'll want to get out > of > the way rapidly and might trip on the rope/fence! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Wed Oct 27 05:58:41 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:58:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ottawa Drag Saw Message-ID: <001001c4bc24$b22db140$65690b42@gnarmstrong> Dave, Geo. and Helen Meyers are an excellent source of info on the Ottawa. Geo -----Original Message----- From: Dave Rotigel To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:37 PM Subject: [SEL] Ottawa Drag Saw >Hi All, > Several weeks ago at the Cotton Ginning Show I watched while three drag >saws (a 1 3/4 HP Herc, a 4 HP Ottawa and a 5 HP Ottawa) were used to cut >rounds and provide something for the crowd to carry away--See: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/ > That was enough to convince me that I needed one for our local shows here >in PA. I called a few friends to let them know of my need, but no one knew >where one was for sale. There was one on e-bay, but it was in AZ and the >trip would have been a bit too far. Then last week-end at the Arden show I >asked around and sure enough Robert Blanchard had a 5 HP Ottawa drag saw >for sale for $1,000.00. Robert told me that it was an older restoration and >it ran/cut well. There was an extra blade and a repro manual that went >along with it and it was located at his home in near Raleigh, NC--about 200 >miles from the show. I gave Robert a deposit for the saw and by 1:00 on >Sunday Arnie and I were headed East on Rt. 40 toward Raleigh. By 7:30 we >had the drag saw loaded into my truck and were on our way north toward home. > The saw is now unloaded and in my garage. It can be seen at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/5_HP_Ottawa_Drag_Saw/ >(The extra wheel is an "add on" to help with the moving of the saw. It is >removed for cutting.) Later this week (if the weather co-operates) I'll try >it out on a log or two! > Dave >PS, Can anyone tell me the year of manufacture of this saw--S/N TE 28815? >PPS, Rob suggests that I NOT put ropes/fence up around it when >demonstrating. He says that if something goes wrong I'll want to get out of >the way rapidly and might trip on the rope/fence! > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Wed Oct 27 06:04:33 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:04:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ottawa Drag Saw Message-ID: <002101c4bc25$8158aa60$65690b42@gnarmstrong> Dave, I think Geo. and Helen can be reached by phone @ (717) 536-3711 or by Email @ ottawa at pa.net Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Rotigel To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:37 PM Subject: [SEL] Ottawa Drag Saw >Hi All, > Several weeks ago at the Cotton Ginning Show I watched while three drag >saws (a 1 3/4 HP Herc, a 4 HP Ottawa and a 5 HP Ottawa) were used to cut >rounds and provide something for the crowd to carry away--See: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Cotton_Ginning_Days/ > That was enough to convince me that I needed one for our local shows here >in PA. I called a few friends to let them know of my need, but no one knew >where one was for sale. There was one on e-bay, but it was in AZ and the >trip would have been a bit too far. Then last week-end at the Arden show I >asked around and sure enough Robert Blanchard had a 5 HP Ottawa drag saw >for sale for $1,000.00. Robert told me that it was an older restoration and >it ran/cut well. There was an extra blade and a repro manual that went >along with it and it was located at his home in near Raleigh, NC--about 200 >miles from the show. I gave Robert a deposit for the saw and by 1:00 on >Sunday Arnie and I were headed East on Rt. 40 toward Raleigh. By 7:30 we >had the drag saw loaded into my truck and were on our way north toward home. > The saw is now unloaded and in my garage. It can be seen at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/5_HP_Ottawa_Drag_Saw/ >(The extra wheel is an "add on" to help with the moving of the saw. It is >removed for cutting.) Later this week (if the weather co-operates) I'll try >it out on a log or two! > Dave >PS, Can anyone tell me the year of manufacture of this saw--S/N TE 28815? >PPS, Rob suggests that I NOT put ropes/fence up around it when >demonstrating. He says that if something goes wrong I'll want to get out of >the way rapidly and might trip on the rope/fence! > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Oct 27 07:14:12 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:14:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ronnie Rally "Tie Down Them There Engins!!" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200410271414.i9REEI34011098@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> It was good to see you finally got your engine going Adam. There was almost too many engines too look at over the weekend. It is a great pity about the engine falling off the truck. I can imagine the sort of damage a drop like that would do to cast iron :( Thankfully, I towed my engine 200km with nothing worse than a blown trailer tire at Bendigo. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Oct 27 07:16:02 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:16:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] R-T Centenary Photos Message-ID: <200410271442.i9REgf5D039882@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I have finally had a chance to sort out my photos from the weekend (I wish there were a few more hours in a week). They can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc041.html Enjoy! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From George_Best at adp.com Wed Oct 27 07:54:16 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:54:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Sattley documentation Message-ID: What??????? Jeff don't let those Kerry supporters get you down. They always ignore the truth and don't like it when people have opposing views, especially if you have anything in writing contrary to their belief. Personally, I've found your website to be very informative and it would be a real loss to the engine community if it was removed. Don't throw away all the work you've done as it is appreciated by a lot of us. Next week at this time, hopefully sanity will have prevailed and we can concentrate on the really important things, like engine collecting, engine shows, and type of fencing to use. ;-) George ________________________________ From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:43 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list'; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: Sattley documentation Sorry all, I've had my fill. The world is flat, the sun revolves around the earth, and Montgomery Ward and Co. never built their own engines. All Sattleys where Field and Brundage or Nelson Bros. branded engines. The original catalogs I used in my research are all propaganda and I continue to disseminate these falsehoods. I will do so no longer. Not worth the battle, the flames, or the time and money I have spent. Evidence and citation be damned when there is hearsay to depend on. Am I an idiot? YES!! I tried to research and share information. Idiot 101 and now ready for 102. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ PS The "false information" will be offline by weeks end. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 27 07:54:21 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:54:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sattley documentation References: <003401c4bbd7$1fa61f80$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <003101c4bc34$d88c2140$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> That reminds me , anybody need a jug/hopper combo for an 8 horse Sattley ? I know where one is leaning up against a wall.............. NOS . From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Oct 27 13:42:49 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:42:49 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org document repository Message-ID: Some time ago, Bill Tremel and a few others created some scanned documents which related to engine manuals etc., and Jim Dunmyer provided space on Oldengine.org for their storage. The earliest files are 1998, the latest 2000. A file list is at the bottom of this email. The Documents folder has not been linked to the main menu for some time (if it ever was, I cannot find out) and it existence had almost been forgotten. As this was a useful resource for engine nuts, I propose to reinstate the access path so that the files are available again, subject to not receiving any objections from the 'owners' of the files (those guys who scanned them originally) An extra menu item will be added to the main Oldengine.org front page, access will be allowed by anyone, unless there is a general feeling that it should be password protected. Bill Tremel has signalled his OK on this in principal, and in the longer term we may be able to expand the facility to take in more information which I can take in and file for the site. Should we find that the facility is being abused, by copying the files and selling the resulting manual on ebay for example, then we will have to reconsider the access position. File Listing: 2215030 Feb 16 1999 Ball_xx_OM.pdf 4183690 Mar 20 2000 Bessemer_Ox_OM.pdf 8692 Mar 3 1999 book4.gif 8598310 Mar 19 1999 FM_32E_OM.pdf 893567 Nov 21 1998 FM_Z_OM.pdf 2232095 Mar 25 1999 gencolight_Add.pdf 2527574 Mar 25 1999 gencolight_OM.pdf 1222601 Oct 21 1998 IHC_LA_OM.pdf 3260 Oct 21 1998 Image1.jpg 5262 Mar 25 1999 index.htm 9890104 Nov 1 1998 Kohler_LP_OM.pdf 2058635 Oct 22 1998 Maytag_SM.pdf 4709 Mar 25 1999 no_java.htm 56 1390 Oct 21 1998 Nova_S_data.pdf 351966 Oct 21 1998 Nova_S_misc.pdf 351966 Oct 19 1998 Nova_S_OWS.pdf 502733 Nov 12 1998 OWSC_PB.pdf 3156346 Oct 21 1998 Reid_PM.pdf 1292647 Nov 21 1998 REO_WJx_OM.pdf 3414016 Mar 5 2000 StMary_data.pdf 6368 Mar 3 1999 title.gif 1450974 Oct 21 1998 Wico_EK_OM.pdf 963126 Feb 16 1999 Wico_OC_OM.pdf 1689486 Oct 21 1998 Witte_B_OM.pdf Input from interested parties welcomed, we reckon on doing this in a couple of weeks, in time for the Cabin Fever season! Peter From CraigB2 at aol.com Wed Oct 27 13:46:22 2004 From: CraigB2 at aol.com (CraigB2 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:46:22 EDT Subject: [SEL] Need Le Roi Information Message-ID: I have run across a single cylinder radiator cooled Le Roi. It has an external flywheel and mag. The head is square and appears to be a water jacket for the cyclinder. I did not get a real good look at it but there is a dealer or equipment tag attached. Any info on this type of engine, age, and Le Roi Co. would be appreciated. thanks Craig Buzzell Goleta CA From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Oct 27 13:54:30 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:54:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org document repository In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041027165127.02025188@mail.alltel.net> >Should we find that the facility is being abused, by copying the files and >selling the resulting manual on ebay for example, then we will have to >reconsider the access position. >Input from interested parties welcomed, we reckon on doing this in a couple of >weeks, in time for the Cabin Fever season! >Peter Hi Peter, Why the hell would you (or anyone else for that matter) care about someone selling copies on e-bay? Only a "control freak" would care about such things. I urge you to reconsider your position! Dave From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Oct 27 13:58:39 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:58:39 +0200 Subject: [SEL] R-T Centenary Photos References: <200410271442.i9REgf5D039882@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000b01c4bc67$bc479e00$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Great pics Patrick, overwelming those side shafts all around in that many quantities. The big ones look mighty, but for my self the 3-4- and 5 hp would fit in my engine shed with all the pleasure there is. Thanks for sharing, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web >I have finally had a chance to sort out my photos from the weekend (I wish > there were a few more hours in a week). They can be seen at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc041.html > > Enjoy! > > Patrick M Livingstone From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Oct 27 14:28:13 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:28:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org document repository In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041027165127.02025188@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041027165127.02025188@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:54:30 -0400, you wrote: > >>Should we find that the facility is being abused, by copying the files and >>selling the resulting manual on ebay for example, then we will have to >>reconsider the access position. >>Input from interested parties welcomed, we reckon on doing this in a couple of >>weeks, in time for the Cabin Fever season! >>Peter > >Hi Peter, > Why the hell would you (or anyone else for that matter) care about >someone selling copies on e-bay? Only a "control freak" would care about >such things. I urge you to reconsider your position! > Dave Hi Dave: It's something that has cropped up before, both on the Lists and on Harry's site, and I seem to recall a discussion on the SEL list in particular this year. If an engine enthusiast spends his or her time scanning manuals for the benefit of the hobby, and supplies them free for use by others, I don't think it is right that people should take that work and profit by selling it on ebay. I know that a lot of information is available in the USA under the Freedom of Information Act, and in principal I thoroughly applaud the Act and the principle, but the Act doesn't apply to the average collector/enthusiast who spends his own time and effort on producing something for the rest of us. There are a number of issues here, and I am following the general trend of comments made to me already on the subject, but would welcome further discussion/comment so that we can get a better view of the position. Peter From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Oct 27 17:05:38 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:05:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sorry, RE Sattley Message-ID: <000e01c4bc81$dba1e5c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Sorry I vented on everyone, but at times I feel I'm beating my head against a wall. I documented that Montgomery Ward and Co. did build engines for a time. This has been online for some time. http://oldengine.org/members/allen/Sattley/Catalog/FCinside.html It is very frustrating that many refuse to accept this, and continue to call them branded engines built by anther company. The link above goes to a reprint catalog I have online. I also have photocopies of the original obtained from the archives at the University of Wyoming. I make every effort to insure what I post is accurate. I will be taking some time off from this project. I need a break from it, and it shows doesn't it? Thanks for all the support. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ PS. All information will remain online. From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Oct 27 17:00:21 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:00:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] Hercules help Message-ID: <97.50d6eb95.2eb19095@aol.com> I have been contacted to come and look at a 6(?) hp Hercules/Economy/Sparta engine and to price it for sale. It has been described as an ignitor engine with battery and coil, no mag. The owner also stated that there is no known serial number tag on the top like most Economy/Hercules engines. So, from my limited knowledge and his descriptions I assume it may be a very early Hercules or maybe a Sparta engine, but just guessing at this time. Is there some where to look for a serial number or casting date on these early engines? Also, what distinguishing features should I look for to determine if Sparta versus Hercules? Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Oct 27 17:14:04 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:14:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org document repository References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041027165127.02025188@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001501c4bc83$0a6c8bc0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Peter, Dave, and list, This has been covered, and I even brought it up once. It is pointless to try to watermark or protect anything you put online. I have a lot of data online, and I gave up on trying to protect it. I did come up with a solution regarding e-bay. I browse e-bay daily. If I ever see any of my work for sale the solution is simple. Contact the bidders and point them to the free information that was stolen. If that ain't a good time, I don't know what is. Talk about bid retractions. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Oldengine.org document repository > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:54:30 -0400, you wrote: > >> >>>Should we find that the facility is being abused, by copying the files >>>and >>>selling the resulting manual on ebay for example, then we will have to >>>reconsider the access position. >>>Input from interested parties welcomed, we reckon on doing this in a >>>couple of >>>weeks, in time for the Cabin Fever season! >>>Peter >> >>Hi Peter, >> Why the hell would you (or anyone else for that matter) care >> about >>someone selling copies on e-bay? Only a "control freak" would care about >>such things. I urge you to reconsider your position! >> Dave > > Hi Dave: > > It's something that has cropped up before, both on the Lists and on > Harry's > site, and I seem to recall a discussion on the SEL list in particular this > year. > > If an engine enthusiast spends his or her time scanning manuals for the > benefit > of the hobby, and supplies them free for use by others, I don't think it > is > right that people should take that work and profit by selling it on ebay. > > I know that a lot of information is available in the USA under the Freedom > of > Information Act, and in principal I thoroughly applaud the Act and the > principle, but the Act doesn't apply to the average collector/enthusiast > who > spends his own time and effort on producing something for the rest of us. > > There are a number of issues here, and I am following the general trend of > comments made to me already on the subject, but would welcome further > discussion/comment so that we can get a better view of the position. > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Oct 27 20:01:00 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:01:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org document repository In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041027165127.02025188@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041027225240.0200a940@mail.alltel.net> >There are a number of issues here, and I am following the general trend of >comments made to me already on the subject, but would welcome further >discussion/comment so that we can get a better view of the position. >Peter Hi Peter, Yes, there are a number of issues here. But PRIMARY among them is that everything (at least MOST) that is in the "document repository" was copywrited at some point in time. Someone (that would be you and Bill) has now stolen it and now wants to CONTROL it's use. Dave PS, By the way who in the hell is this "we" who wants to "get a better view of the position?" PPS, DAMN, you sure have BALLS! PPPS, Are you a LIBERAL? From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Oct 27 23:34:11 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:34:11 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org document repository In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041027225240.0200a940@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041027165127.02025188@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041027225240.0200a940@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:01:00 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Peter, > Yes, there are a number of issues here. But PRIMARY among them is >that everything (at least MOST) that is in the "document repository" was >copywrited at some point in time. Someone (that would be you and Bill) has >now stolen it and now wants to CONTROL it's use. > Dave Hi Dave: Two emails from you in 24 hours, I must be getting privileged! :-)) I don't think it was 'stolen' in the sense you infer, as most was freely available in the USA under your FOI Act, my main concern was protecting the efforts of people who took THEIR time and trouble to make the information available for us all. >PS, By the way who in the hell is this "we" who wants to "get a better view >of the position?" Ah, the British Royal 'We', you Colonials got out of all that in 1776 didn't you? we'll have to get you guys educated again... >PPS, DAMN, you sure have BALLS! Two, last count, and they still work! >PPPS, Are you a LIBERAL? Probably more right-wing and conservative than even you... Peter From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Oct 28 04:45:28 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:45:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org document repository In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041027165127.02025188@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041027225240.0200a940@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041028074354.01ff9990@mail.alltel.net> > >PPPS, Are you a LIBERAL? >Probably more right-wing and conservative than even you... >Peter This is the saving grace. Have a good one! Dave PS, I hope that the documents stay safe from those who would mis-use them! From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Oct 28 05:04:58 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:04:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sorry, RE Sattley In-Reply-To: <000e01c4bc81$dba1e5c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> References: <000e01c4bc81$dba1e5c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <4180E06A.3070404@scrtc.com> Jeff, I would bet that they probably built them under some sort of licensing arrangement with a "parent" company. Field Brundage or another company may have owned the design/patent rights but allowed Sattley to build them under some sort of contract. I think this arrangement happened more than most of us think as there are so many engines out there that are almost identical..... but not quite. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Jeff Allen wrote: > Hello all, > > Sorry I vented on everyone, but at times I feel I'm beating my head against a wall. I documented that Montgomery Ward and Co. did build engines for a time. This has been online for some time. > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/Sattley/Catalog/FCinside.html > It is very frustrating that many refuse to accept this, and continue to call them branded engines built by anther company. The link above goes to a reprint catalog I have online. I also have photocopies of the original obtained from the archives at the University of Wyoming. I make every effort to insure what I post is accurate. I will be taking some time off from this project. I need a break from it, and it shows doesn't it? > > Thanks for all the support. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > > PS. All information will remain online. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Oct 28 06:20:27 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:20:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith (Beaufort Vic Aus) this weekend Message-ID: <4180F21B.5050505@steamengine.com.au> If any list members are at Lake Goldsmith this weekend and want to have a chat, I'll be in the Western District compound (near the camp showers). My mobile is 0413 023 445. Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Oct 28 08:15:21 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:15:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] R-T Centenary Photos In-Reply-To: <000b01c4bc67$bc479e00$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <200410281515.i9SFFPcf041818@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi John, The little ones are nice, I would not part with my 3.5hp for anything even though it weighs almost 1.5 tonnes. The little ones are quite sought after as they are much easier to transport to rallies than the big ones. I would like a big one as they have a great sounding exhaust note and are impressive to watch running. One day I might get hold of one... Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Great pics Patrick, overwelming those side shafts all around in that many quantities. The big ones look mighty, but for my self the 3-4- and 5 hp would fit in my engine shed with all the pleasure there is. Thanks for sharing, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From nancydick at keyconn.net Thu Oct 28 12:46:16 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:46:16 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Sorry, RE Sattley In-Reply-To: <4180E06A.3070404@scrtc.com> References: <000e01c4bc81$dba1e5c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <000e01c4bc81$dba1e5c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20041028114339.02901290@mail.keyconn.net> I have a question on the Sattley engine. I have one ser no. 51103 can some one date it for me. i have never seen the site that has been mention for them. Thanks R Fink PA At 08:04 AM 10/28/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Jeff, > > I would bet that they probably built them under some sort of > licensing arrangement with a "parent" company. Field Brundage or another > company may have owned the design/patent rights but allowed Sattley to > build them under some sort of contract. I think this arrangement > happened more than most of us think as there are so many engines out > there that are almost identical..... but not quite. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > > >Jeff Allen wrote: > >>Hello all, >>Sorry I vented on everyone, but at times I feel I'm beating my head >>against a wall. I documented that Montgomery Ward and Co. did build >>engines for a time. This has been online for some time. >>http://oldengine.org/members/allen/Sattley/Catalog/FCinside.html >>It is very frustrating that many refuse to accept this, and continue to >>call them branded engines built by anther company. The link above goes to >>a reprint catalog I have online. I also have photocopies of the original >>obtained from the archives at the University of Wyoming. I make every >>effort to insure what I post is accurate. I will be taking some time off >>from this project. I need a break from it, and it shows doesn't it? >>Thanks for all the support. >>Regards, >>Jeff Allen >>Arvada, Colorado USA >>http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ >>http://frapa.us/ >>PS. All information will remain online. >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From prepair at easynet.co.uk Thu Oct 28 06:10:52 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:10:52 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org document repository In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041028074354.01ff9990@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041027165127.02025188@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041027225240.0200a940@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041028074354.01ff9990@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:45:28 -0400, you wrote: > >> >PPPS, Are you a LIBERAL? >>Probably more right-wing and conservative than even you... >>Peter > >This is the saving grace. Have a good one! > Dave We'll certainly try! >PS, I hope that the documents stay safe from those who would mis-use them! It is our main concern, there are no other factors driving my original post. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Oct 28 14:09:44 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:09:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ray Hooley - change of email address Message-ID: Ray has gone onto broadband (ADSL) and his email has changed to: rehooley at tiscali.co.uk Ray's Ruston & Hornsby website has been updated to reflect this change. Peter From George_Best at adp.com Thu Oct 28 15:06:00 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:06:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Crossley Message-ID: Okay... Do we have any Crossley experts on this list or people with access to Crossley manuals/literature? In particular I'm looking for information on a 8hp Crossley TVO fuel open crankcase sideshaft engine made in 1916. I can make a deal on one, but it's a long distance deal and the seller isn't really a engine person, (more like a person that bought a large collection of stuff including engines that he is trying to sell). The pictures he has sent so far were out of focus and none showed any engine details that collectors like to see. George From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Oct 28 15:27:52 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:27:52 +0200 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Crossley References: Message-ID: <000401c4bd3d$5d69dc50$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi George, what type of engine are you talking about? I have access to manuals but need the type. Maybe the one you need is in the archieves. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Okay... Do we have any Crossley experts on this list or people with > access to Crossley manuals/literature? > > In particular I'm looking for information on a 8hp Crossley TVO fuel > open crankcase sideshaft engine made in 1916. > > I can make a deal on one, but it's a long distance deal and the seller > isn't really a engine person, (more like a person that bought a large > collection of stuff including engines that he is trying to sell). The > pictures he has sent so far were out of focus and none showed any engine > details that collectors like to see. > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Thu Oct 28 15:38:53 2004 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:08:53 +0930 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith Message-ID: <002501c4bd3f$07287de0$71b6fea9@SKitto> I will be at Lake Goldsmith on Saturday. For any that want to catch up or meet for the first time can contact on 0418806708 Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 28 15:54:07 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:54:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to a Carpenter O.T. Message-ID: <000801c4bd41$09c38930$210110ac@PaulMaples> I need to talk to a carpenter OFF LIST please. Thanks From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Oct 28 16:08:09 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:08:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sorry, RE Sattley References: <000e01c4bc81$dba1e5c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221><000e01c4bc81$dba1e5c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <4.2.0.58.20041028114339.02901290@mail.keyconn.net> Message-ID: <003b01c4bd42$fe40d750$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Richard, So far I have found no information to date Sattleys by serial number. I don't think there are any records available. :-( Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorry, RE Sattley >I have a question on the Sattley engine. I have one ser no. 51103 can some >one date it for me. i have never seen the site that has been mention for >them. > Thanks > R Fink > PA From galoway4 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 28 16:38:01 2004 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:38:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Power Unit Message-ID: <000e01c4bd47$300a5e10$28db5a42@jake> Purchased a John Deer power unit today. Anyone have information on 2 cylender J.D.power unit? S.N. 57089 Arthur Buchanan From EnginePaul at aol.com Thu Oct 28 21:00:26 2004 From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:00:26 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to a Carpenter O.T. Message-ID: <9e.1837abba.2eb31a5a@aol.com> I might be able to help; I was a contractor. Paul Johns From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 28 21:24:34 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:24:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith (Beaufort Vic Aus) this weekend Message-ID: Hi Paul, i will be in the middle compound near the shower block , just look for the yb stover make yourself known. David >From: Paul Pavlinovich >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: coals at steamengine.com.au, stationary-engine at oldengine.org, >sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith (Beaufort Vic Aus) this weekend >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:20:27 +1000 > >If any list members are at Lake Goldsmith this weekend and want to have a >chat, I'll be in the Western District compound (near the camp showers). > >My mobile is 0413 023 445. > >Paul >-- > >pjp at steamengine.com.au >Emerald, Victoria, Australia >www.steamengine.com.au > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Searching for that dream home? Try http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au for all your property needs. From falcon at telenet.net Thu Oct 28 21:29:39 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:29:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: [IHC Cub Cadet Tractors] Re: Tires & now bearings Message-ID: <013301c4bd6f$e8118ba0$885c14d0@net.telenet.net> Anyone talked to the folks at Tucker lately? One of the Cub guys is trying to find some tires... ----- Original Message ----- From: "T?gTeam" To: Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [IHC Cub Cadet Tractors] Re: Tires & now bearings -- Thanks for the response Tom. Now, where do I find the OEM part numbers for a Cubby 169? Now we get to see two emails with bathtubs! When I was inquiring about front tires, someone suggested Tucker Tire so I went to their site, looked at a Chevron tread tire and sent them an email two days ago - no response ;-( T.A. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Oct 28 21:55:31 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:55:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Lake Goldsmith (Beaufort Vic Aus) this weekend In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200410290455.i9T4tYtm030616@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Have a good weekend down there David. I will have to get down there next year as there are some nice engines too see. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Paul, i will be in the middle compound near the shower block , just look for the yb stover make yourself known. David From falcon at telenet.net Fri Oct 29 00:03:01 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 03:03:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT- Anyone looking for a Fire Engine??? OT Message-ID: <041301c4bd85$54b0f600$885c14d0@net.telenet.net> The FD I am a member of will be putting up for sale one of the older pump trucks. We replaced it with a newer unit and it is just collecting dust and rust now. It is a Lime Yellow '75-6 Ford Cab over (no pictures yet but it looks just like the retired engine 5 on this page. http://cnyfiretrucks.com/qr/ruralgrove.html Make an offer. Oh and if you want to see the toys I normally play with take a look at http://cnyfiretrucks.com/uv/vh.html The first station in VanHornesville is over 100 years old and is height limited. It was a blacksmiths shop and then a store. The second station in Starkville is the one I usually go out of. There are three trucks in each station. #1 has Rescue 507, Engine 159, Engine 156 #2 has Rescue 526, Engine 135, Engine 157( front pump is off in the picture, being re-sealed and tested) The retired engine 157 is still available but it hasn't been touched in two years. CHEAP... Steve Williams From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Oct 29 02:11:28 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:11:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: - change of email address References: Message-ID: <02c201c4bd97$468e9fc0$8a5eecdc@km> G'Day Peter When you get time will you please change my web URL on your other sites page to www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 All the best Kerry From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Oct 29 02:36:59 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:36:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 8hp Crossley References: Message-ID: <031201c4bd9a$d7113960$8a5eecdc@km> Our expert POMS may be able to shed more light on a VTO, the only references I have is for a Crossley VO which were a vertical oil (kero) hot buld 2 stroke not a side shaft sorry. Kerry PS sorry Peter I ment to send the last post off list > Okay... Do we have any Crossley experts on this list or people with > access to Crossley manuals/literature? > > In particular I'm looking for information on a 8hp Crossley TVO fuel > open crankcase sideshaft engine made in 1916. > > From cgandree at mchsi.com Fri Oct 29 04:08:24 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:08:24 +0000 Subject: [SEL] National engine info needed Message-ID: <102920041108.849.d84@mchsi.com> Trying to find info for a friend off list who has a National 12hp model "N" (Bill Young, Japan) is needing some help. thanks, Curt Andree From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Oct 29 04:36:54 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:36:54 +0800 Subject: [SEL] National engine info needed References: <102920041108.849.d84@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <002f01c4bdab$9ae14b90$a2a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> How is Bill, Curt ..still working on the National .He was very helpful in regards to our Trusty Engine, they have one in the Tokyo museum. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL list" Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 7:08 PM Subject: [SEL] National engine info needed > Trying to find info for a friend off list who has a National 12hp model "N" > (Bill Young, Japan) is needing some help. > thanks, > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Oct 29 06:39:38 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:39:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories Message-ID: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> After seeing what remains of the original Ronaldson-Tippett factory last weekend I am curious as to which other engine manufacturers factories are still standing. I know that part of the Rosebery factory here in Sydney is still there as is the Fuller & Johnson factory in Madison and the Root & Van Dervoort factory in East Moline. Who else has survived? Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From George_Best at adp.com Fri Oct 29 07:48:18 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:48:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Power Unit Message-ID: Arthur, Need more information than it is 2 cylinder ;-) The LUC power unit is a vertical two cylinder like used on the LA tractor. The W power unit is a horizontal two cylinder like the Model D tractor. I'm no JD expert so there may be other two cylinder power units JD sold. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Arthur Buchanan > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 4:38 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Power Unit > > Purchased a John Deer power unit today. Anyone have > information on 2 cylender J.D.power unit? S.N. 57089 > > Arthur Buchanan > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Fri Oct 29 07:58:26 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:58:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tale of Two Tangye's Message-ID: Kerry, Congrats on the Tangye's!! I saw one running at a collector's home in Holland when Harry and I did our EHOWT. I was more impressed with the Tangye and liked it better than the Blackstones which some collectors prefer. So if you get tired of tripping over that extra Tangye you could crate it up and ship it to me ;-) (got to keep my European engine collection growing) George Ps... I know this is posting is a bit late, but I've been busy working ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 5:17 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Tale of Two Tangye's > > G'day All > Last year after looking for one for a while I purchased an > English Tangye 5hp side shaft at an aution, it was in rough > condition with many parts having to be cast and also having > to be resleaved. new rings etc. From curt at imc-group.com Fri Oct 29 08:22:58 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:22:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <41826052.80800@imc-group.com> Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >After seeing what remains of the original Ronaldson-Tippett factory last >weekend I am curious as to which other engine manufacturers factories are >still standing. I know that part of the Rosebery factory here in Sydney is >still there as is the Fuller & Johnson factory in Madison and the Root & Van >Dervoort factory in East Moline. Who else has survived? > > > > Patrick, Nice thread idea! I have seen: The Hercules factory in Evansville, IN The Emerson Brantingham offices in Waynesoboro, PA (now an apartment building) The Geiser works next door in Waynesboro, PA The Frick Factory nearby. (still in business) The Landis factory nearby. (still in business) The remains of Abenaque works in Westminster Station, VT Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Oct 29 08:42:55 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:42:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories Message-ID: The building where the Sparta Economy engines were made in Sparta, Michigan is still standing. Not sure what they are making in there now. Also some of the Rumely Oil Pull buildings still stand in LaPorte, Indiana. Some have been torn down but a few still remain. I was able to grab a couple bricks off the ground when I was in LaPorte a couple years ago. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" , >"Stationary Engine Mailing List" >Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories >Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:39:38 +1000 > >After seeing what remains of the original Ronaldson-Tippett factory last >weekend I am curious as to which other engine manufacturers factories are >still standing. I know that part of the Rosebery factory here in Sydney is >still there as is the Fuller & Johnson factory in Madison and the Root & >Van >Dervoort factory in East Moline. Who else has survived? > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kkinney at herculesengines.com Fri Oct 29 08:55:02 2004 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:55:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041029104739.021b5f88@mail.herculesengines.com> We are lucky here in Evansville that most all of the original Hercules factory buildings are still standing. We were able to tour the engine and foundry buildings a few years ago. It is being used for warehousing now. The two cupola's are still in the building. The work "Hercules" is still visible in the brickwork above the foundry. Pictures can be seen here: http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/HerculesFactory/Default.htm One of our other engine factories in town was torn down about 15 years ago in a redevelopment project. It was for the Clarke Marine Motor's Company. Keith From Vivas1993 at aol.com Fri Oct 29 10:59:44 2004 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:59:44 EDT Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories Message-ID: In Oil City, PA. part of the Oil City Boiler works factory is still standing, as is most of the factory where National Transit engines were built. The Blaisdell factory in Bradford, PA. is still standing, I'm pretty sure it's now home to Zippo Lighters. These 3 factories all produced oil field engines, & related equipment. In Ohio, I think a small part of the Foos factory may still survive. A large part of that factory was still standing a few years ago, but a collapse of some roof beams caused a big part of the building to fall. I think they demolished most of what was still standing. Hope a few more factories are still around ! Dwight From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Oct 29 14:18:41 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 07:18:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories References: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <046c01c4bdfc$de2d8570$8a5eecdc@km> Patrick don't forget Southern Cross in Towoomba is still operating today. Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 29 14:21:13 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:21:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories References: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <41826052.80800@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003801c4bdfd$383576e0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> The former "Witte" factory building is still standing here in Kansas City, although the foundry was torn down many years ago. Interestingly, the Witte building is a rather shabby little wood frame structure, not even close to the grand Brick and Mortar edifice that is represented in and on the cover of several of the original Witte Catalogs. Of course Witte, along with many if not most of the engine sellers of the day, played fast and loose with the facts when trying to make their company appear to be of long standing and solid stature. Many of them would claim to have been in the engine business for periods of time that at the would have had them building engines long before engines came into regular use. A lot of "Vender", or mail order operations, would buy out a failed engine manufacturer, then use the history of that failed company to mask the fact that they them selves were not actually building engines, but selling someone else's product under license. A little slippery, but it sure looked "Grand" in the catalog. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Surviving Factories > Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >>After seeing what remains of the original Ronaldson-Tippett factory last >>weekend I am curious as to which other engine manufacturers factories are >>still standing. I know that part of the Rosebery factory here in Sydney is >>still there as is the Fuller & Johnson factory in Madison and the Root & >>Van >>Dervoort factory in East Moline. Who else has survived? >> >> >> > Patrick, > Nice thread idea! > > I have seen: > The Hercules factory in Evansville, IN > The Emerson Brantingham offices in Waynesoboro, PA (now an apartment > building) > The Geiser works next door in Waynesboro, PA > The Frick Factory nearby. (still in business) > The Landis factory nearby. (still in business) > The remains of Abenaque works in Westminster Station, VT > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Oct 29 14:27:51 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:27:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org document repository In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041027165127.02025188@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041027225240.0200a940@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <63767078-29F1-11D9-8E59-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > I don't think it was 'stolen' in the sense you infer, as most was > freely > available in the USA under your FOI Act, The Freedom of Information Act is something that applies only to obtaining US Government documents. The US has quite a robust copyright law, but it's up to the copyright owner to enforce it. And registering a copyright on a document is a great help in doing so. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From diesel at easynet.co.uk Fri Oct 29 14:45:42 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:45:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] National engine info needed In-Reply-To: <102920041108.849.d84@mchsi.com> References: <102920041108.849.d84@mchsi.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:08:24 +0000, you wrote: >Trying to find info for a friend off list who has a National 12hp model "N" >(Bill Young, Japan) is needing some help. >thanks, >Curt Andree Hi Curt: I have a bale of fragrant woodshavings on my desk.... :-)) AND, I have National Horizontal Oil Engines "N" Series erection (!) and maintenance, including spare parts list. What info does Bill require? From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 29 14:47:57 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:47:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories References: Message-ID: <006101c4be00$f4c2c8a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Racine WIsc is one more shy again My local CCTx paper had the story , said they were going to reuse every brick . http://www.jsonline.com/bym/news/jul04/246773.asp Built in 1913, the plant produced 920,000 tractors in its 89 years of operation " The property provides an opportunity "to create a substantial new development that would blend well with nearby residential, open space, and public uses " Chuck? From EnginePaul at aol.com Fri Oct 29 16:25:23 2004 From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:25:23 EDT Subject: [SEL] Firbanks - Morse generator Message-ID: I got this from another list: "Fairbanks : it a complete looking old generator set looks like a DC generator F/M 4 cyl still has a magneto the yard is Brookside auto wrecking in orange Massachusetts 1-800-245-1229 if they ask where it is tell them is down by the riverbank near the truck bed with the aluminum mags in it " I though it might be worth a look to someone near there. Paul From cjclem at sysim.net Fri Oct 29 16:40:46 2004 From: cjclem at sysim.net (Jack) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:40:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Big Engine for Halloween ( 160 hp ) Message-ID: <1099093246.4182d4fe55c36@webmail.sysim.net> < http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=63945&item=3848570678&rd=1 > From MBellar at aol.com Fri Oct 29 16:59:47 2004 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:59:47 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cushman Reaper Engine Message-ID: Hi List; I recently purchased a Cushman reaper engine at a farm auction. The engine is mechanically in great condition and complete except for the cooling tank and screen. There is little or no paint left on the engine castings. What is there appears to be loose flat black paint or hardened grease. Does anybody know what the correct color is and where I might find a reproduction cooling tank and screen? I also have a Waterloo look a like manufactured by George B. Miller and Son (page 308 in the big red book). It also is in need of a coat of paint. The cement mixer that the engine was mounted upon has traces of light green (vomit green) paint that would look good on a Dave modified Maytag. I have seen repainted red and green Waterloo boys at shows. Any thoughts on the correct color for this engine would be appreciated. Thank you for any help; Tom Bellar From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Oct 29 17:54:32 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:54:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: <003801c4bdfd$383576e0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <41826052.80800@imc-group.com> <003801c4bdfd$383576e0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041029205229.01f235a8@mail.alltel.net> >Of course Witte, along with many if not most of the engine sellers of the >day, played fast and loose with the facts >Ted Brookover Hi Ted, Are you saying that the Witte Company was controlled by a bunch of LIBERALS? Dave From peter at loud-n-clear.net Fri Oct 29 19:16:01 2004 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 03:16:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: In message <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377 at b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>, Patrick M Livingstone writes >After seeing what remains of the original Ronaldson-Tippett factory last >weekend I am curious as to which other engine manufacturers factories are >still standing. I know that part of the Rosebery factory here in Sydney is >still there as is the Fuller & Johnson factory in Madison and the Root & Van >Dervoort factory in East Moline. Who else has survived? > About fifteen miles from me, in Shrewsbury, is the Sentinel Works where Sentinel steam lorries were made. I believe that the factory is now occupied by Vickers Aerospace, but the original Sentinel, a life-sized Crusader figure, still stands in his niche above the factory entrance, hands clasped on the pommel of his sword... http://www.astbury.org/photos/steam/sentinel.htm for some of Sentinel's machinery. Also http://www.eates.org/horse02.html and, for the Crusader himself, http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ejones/tony/sentinels/sn02.jpeg Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From ELIDAS at aol.com Fri Oct 29 19:34:23 2004 From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:34:23 EDT Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories Message-ID: <145.376c8b77.2eb457af@aol.com> The Coldwell factory still exists in Newburgh, New York. I believe they make (or made) handbags in it, Mike Semanoff Waterbury,CT From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Oct 25 05:52:25 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:52:25 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Stringy Bark Festival - Rally Report References: <417CE20D.1030300@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <000d01c4ba91$7a7cf3d0$6b856ad5@no1> Hi Paul, Everything with "www.steamengine.com.au" comes up as unavailable. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:22 PM Subject: [SEL] Stringy Bark Festival - Rally Report > On 23rd and 24th of October, the Stringy Bark festival was on in Knox at > the Rowville Community Centre. This a small regional show with animals, > rides, bazaar/fete stalls, food stalls and loads of engines. Saturday > was damp (good thing I did not go - I was in Ballarat) but on the day of > my attendance, Sunday, the sun was out and we had a great day for it. > Emerald & District Vintage Machinery Group and MSTEC put on displays of > stationary engine and steam engines. The food, while good and in great > variety was disappointing in that they were charging closed-venue > prices. $3.50 for a can of drink! For the most part the show was > excellent and a nice relaxed rally for the respective clubs where a > little fun could be had. I got the Ottawa running (finally) with help > from club mates (thanks!). The weekend was marred when one of our older > members was taken sick and went to hospital. The show organisers fell > over themselves to be helpful. > > http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/stringy-bark-2004/index.html > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Fri Oct 29 22:13:47 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:13:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories Message-ID: <004201c4be3f$3c5be910$8a63fea9@sweeper> When I was in England last year I paid a visit to the Lister complex in Dursley, however I understand that it may be closing or has closed by now. Ron From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Oct 29 22:27:17 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:27:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories References: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><41826052.80800@imc-group.com> <003801c4bdfd$383576e0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <005e01c4be41$22acacf0$4b83fb40@gary> Hi Ted, Where is the old Witte building located? Is it in the area that lies between downtown KC, MO and KC, KS? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Brookover" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Surviving Factories > The former "Witte" factory building is still standing here in Kansas City, > although the foundry was torn down many years ago. > > Interestingly, the Witte building is a rather shabby little wood frame > structure, not even close to the grand Brick and Mortar edifice that is > represented in and on the cover of several of the original Witte Catalogs. > > Of course Witte, along with many if not most of the engine sellers of the > day, played fast and loose with the facts when trying to make their company > appear to be of long standing and solid stature. > > Many of them would claim to have been in the engine business for periods of > time that at the would have had them building engines long before engines > came into regular use. > > A lot of "Vender", or mail order operations, would buy out a failed engine > manufacturer, then use the history of that failed company to mask the fact > that they them selves were not actually building engines, but selling > someone else's product under license. > > A little slippery, but it sure looked "Grand" in the catalog. > Ted Brookover > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > 816-763-3142 > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:22 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Surviving Factories > > > > Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > > > >>After seeing what remains of the original Ronaldson-Tippett factory last > >>weekend I am curious as to which other engine manufacturers factories are > >>still standing. I know that part of the Rosebery factory here in Sydney is > >>still there as is the Fuller & Johnson factory in Madison and the Root & > >>Van > >>Dervoort factory in East Moline. Who else has survived? > >> > >> > >> > > Patrick, > > Nice thread idea! > > > > I have seen: > > The Hercules factory in Evansville, IN > > The Emerson Brantingham offices in Waynesoboro, PA (now an apartment > > building) > > The Geiser works next door in Waynesboro, PA > > The Frick Factory nearby. (still in business) > > The Landis factory nearby. (still in business) > > The remains of Abenaque works in Westminster Station, VT > > > > Curt Holland > > Gastonia, NC > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Oct 30 01:54:35 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:54:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Stringy Bark Festival - Rally Report References: <417CE20D.1030300@steamengine.com.au> <000d01c4ba91$7a7cf3d0$6b856ad5@no1> Message-ID: <001001c4be5e$14c64d40$6b856ad5@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Stringy Bark Festival - Rally Report > Hi Paul, Everything with "www.steamengine.com.au" comes up as unavailable. After a nights sleep it works fine now. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From oldengin at udata.com Sat Oct 30 02:09:52 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 05:09:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: <41826DFB.6040609@udata.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041029104739.021b5f88@mail.herculesengines.com> <41826DFB.6040609@udata.com> Message-ID: <41835A60.10309@udata.com> Leroy C. wrote: > The Buckeye, to many disbelief's, was built in Findlay Ohio at Garwood > and this building is still standing. I have been in it many times and > still know o few fellers that worked in it. > Funny, I would like to see some pics of these old buildings as it is a bit of history you hardly ever hear about. -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Oct 30 02:10:34 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:10:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Big Engine for Halloween ( 160 hp ) References: <1099093246.4182d4fe55c36@webmail.sysim.net> Message-ID: <000e01c4be60$502b4f50$6b856ad5@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" To: Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 12:40 AM Subject: [SEL] Big Engine for Halloween ( 160 hp ) > < http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&category=63945&item=3848570678&rd=1 > Hi Jack, I cannot get your address to work but this seems to get there. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3848570678 Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Oct 30 02:31:55 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:31:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] National engine info needed Message-ID: <103020040931.25867.1c8e@mchsi.com> Hi Peter, Thankyou very much and sent word to Bill Young, I am sure he will be contacting you soon. Curt Andree > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:08:24 +0000, you wrote: > > >Trying to find info for a friend off list who has a National 12hp model "N" > >(Bill Young, Japan) is needing some help. > >thanks, > >Curt Andree > > Hi Curt: > > I have a bale of fragrant woodshavings on my desk.... :-)) > > AND, I have National Horizontal Oil Engines "N" Series erection (!) and > maintenance, including spare parts list. > > What info does Bill require? > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Oct 30 02:40:50 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:40:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] National engine info needed In-Reply-To: <103020040931.25867.1c8e@mchsi.com> References: <103020040931.25867.1c8e@mchsi.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:31:55 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Peter, >Thankyou very much and sent word to Bill Young, I am sure he will be >contacting you soon. >Curt Andree Glad to be of assistance. Peter From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Oct 30 02:48:27 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:48:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories Message-ID: <103020040948.28040.7cfe@mchsi.com> Hi Patrick, Many of the orginal Stover Manf Co., Rawliegh, Fairbanks Morse & Leroy buildings are still standing in Freeport, Illinois and still being utilized by other companies today. Curt Andree > Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > > >After seeing what remains of the original Ronaldson-Tippett factory last > >weekend I am curious as to which other engine manufacturers factories are > >still standing. I know that part of the Rosebery factory here in Sydney is > >still there as is the Fuller & Johnson factory in Madison and the Root & Van > >Dervoort factory in East Moline. Who else has survived? > > > > > > > > > Patrick, > Nice thread idea! > > I have seen: > The Hercules factory in Evansville, IN > The Emerson Brantingham offices in Waynesoboro, PA (now an apartment > building) > The Geiser works next door in Waynesboro, PA > The Frick Factory nearby. (still in business) > The Landis factory nearby. (still in business) > The remains of Abenaque works in Westminster Station, VT > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paul at semidiesel.com Sat Oct 30 03:32:25 2004 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:32:25 +0100 Subject: [SEL] National engine info needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This sounds more like an N Type Gas/PP rather than the N series which were later and larger diesel engines. The Anson has an N type gas engine on display. We have P type oil and gas engines (oil engine is not running yet), the P type gas engine being 18hp. Not a lot of paper available, I think Geoff has an instruction sheet. Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. -----Original Message----- From: Peter A Forbes [mailto:diesel at easynet.co.uk] Sent: 30 October 2004 10:41 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] National engine info needed On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:31:55 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Peter, >Thankyou very much and sent word to Bill Young, I am sure he will be >contacting you soon. >Curt Andree Glad to be of assistance. Peter _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/04 From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Oct 30 03:50:19 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:50:19 +0000 Subject: [SEL] National engine info needed Message-ID: <103020041050.20928.386f@mchsi.com> Hi Peter, No sooner then you hungup talking with Dave Croft he called me and we just finished a 45min conversation via SKPE. Have you considered hooking up to this free service so you can better communicate with other engine folks all over the world for free???? Check out the site: I know I would enjoy chating with you from time to time.... Curt > On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:31:55 +0000, you wrote: > > >Hi Peter, > >Thankyou very much and sent word to Bill Young, I am sure he will be > >contacting you soon. > >Curt Andree > > Glad to be of assistance. > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Oct 30 04:12:11 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:12:11 +0100 Subject: [SEL] National engine info needed In-Reply-To: <103020041050.20928.386f@mchsi.com> References: <103020041050.20928.386f@mchsi.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:50:19 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Peter, >No sooner then you hungup talking with Dave Croft he called me and we just >finished a 45min conversation via SKPE. Have you considered hooking up to >this free service so you can better communicate with other engine folks all >over the world for free???? Check out the site: I know I >would enjoy chating with you from time to time.... >Curt Hi Curt: Dave is an inveterate natterer! :-)) I think the calls are at local rate or if you are on broadband they are free. I may give it a try, but we generally prefer email as we don't have the free time to spend on the 'phone, much as it sounds like a good idea. While we spend a fair time on the computer (we have three home and two work PC's networked here) a lot of the time we are not here, either being at work or on the road. We have email contact with the Lists both here and at work, so we generally get most emailling done before we get home. Dave did say he was going to have a chat with you, sounds like it was a good one. Peter From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Oct 30 04:13:01 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:13:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] National engine info needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:32:25 +0100, you wrote: >This sounds more like an N Type Gas/PP rather than the N series which were later and larger diesel >engines. > >The Anson has an N type gas engine on display. We have P type oil and gas engines (oil engine is not >running yet), the P type gas engine being 18hp. > >Not a lot of paper available, I think Geoff has an instruction sheet. > >Paul I have no way of telling, it is unfortunate that National made two 'N' engine series. Once Bill Young gets in touch we will know for sure. Peter From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Oct 30 04:40:42 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:40:42 +0000 Subject: [SEL] National engine info needed Message-ID: <103020041140.29679.6d27@mchsi.com> Hi Peter, Yes, Dave loves to talk...believe him to a bit on the lonely side being strapped to taking care of ailing wife don't you think? Any way I don't have skype turned on all the time at work because of too many interuptions. Hope you can help Bill Young. Curt > On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:50:19 +0000, you wrote: > > >Hi Peter, > >No sooner then you hungup talking with Dave Croft he called me and we just > >finished a 45min conversation via SKPE. Have you considered hooking up to > >this free service so you can better communicate with other engine folks all > >over the world for free???? Check out the site: I know I > >would enjoy chating with you from time to time.... > >Curt > > Hi Curt: > > Dave is an inveterate natterer! :-)) > > I think the calls are at local rate or if you are on broadband they are free. > > I may give it a try, but we generally prefer email as we don't have the free > time to spend on the 'phone, much as it sounds like a good idea. While we spend > a fair time on the computer (we have three home and two work PC's networked > here) a lot of the time we are not here, either being at work or on the road. We > have email contact with the Lists both here and at work, so we generally get > most emailling done before we get home. > > Dave did say he was going to have a chat with you, sounds like it was a good > one. > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pcgray at zoominternet.net Sat Oct 30 04:43:23 2004 From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 07:43:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Surviving engine factories In-Reply-To: <200410301000.i9UA0Kme011168@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: The American Railroad Appliance Company (ARACO) building is still standing in Oil City PA on Seneca st. It is now a paint store and a sheet metal shop. Prior to that the occupants told me it was a refinery. I visited this spring and it was neat to see the inside of it. Here in Newark, DE, the American Machine Works, who made the "Denny" Hot air engine is on Cleveland ave. It is now apartments but you can see the size of the complex. At one time, it was a bowling alley. It butts up against an abandoned railroad spur. In Wilmington, DE, the FF Sloccomb Co is still there. They made the "wilmington" Hot air engine of Denny design. I forget which came first, the Wilmington or the Denny. Paul Gray Northeast MD From paul at semidiesel.com Sat Oct 30 04:54:44 2004 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:54:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] National engine info needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I have no way of telling, it is unfortunate that National made two 'N' engine series. They didn't really. They made a range of petrol, petrol/paraffin, gas that were lettered. M, N, P etc so the letter does describe the engine type/size. The N "Series" are really NX, NV etc as opposed to just N depending on their horsepower(call me picky) :-) Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/04 From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Oct 30 06:19:53 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:19:53 +0100 Subject: [SEL] National engine info needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:54:44 +0100, you wrote: >> I have no way of telling, it is unfortunate that National made two 'N' engine >series. > >They didn't really. > >They made a range of petrol, petrol/paraffin, gas that were lettered. M, N, P etc so the letter does >describe the engine type/size. > >The N "Series" are really NX, NV etc as opposed to just N depending on their horsepower(call me >picky) :-) > >Paul Looks like we struck lucky, Bill advises that the engine is a 'hot-bulb' of some kind with no magneto. I have scanned the front page of the manual to see if it compares OK with his engine. Peter From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Oct 30 06:43:42 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:43:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: <003801c4bdfd$383576e0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <41826052.80800@imc-group.com> <003801c4bdfd$383576e0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <41839A8E.7050105@scrtc.com> I'm really enjoying this thread as its a part of the old iron history that tends to be forgotten. I think this would make a great GEM article. The old Hagan factory was torn down about 25 years ago. I was fortunate to have gone in it before it met the wrecking ball. The old building looked exactly as it did during the engine building days. The "second" home of Hagan is still standing. Hagan sold out in 1917 to Saunier Brothers of Lexington. Saunier sold Hagan engines after they acquired the company but they were primarily constructed from the left over parts, rebuilds, etc. The Saunier buildings still stand in Lexington and look like they did 100 years ago. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Ted Brookover wrote: > The former "Witte" factory building is still standing here in Kansas > City, > although the foundry was torn down many years ago. > From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 30 07:43:09 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:43:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories References: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><41826052.80800@imc-group.com><003801c4bdfd$383576e0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <005e01c4be41$22acacf0$4b83fb40@gary> Message-ID: <003001c4be8e$c6ed9930$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> No Gary, it is on the east side at about 16th and Oakland, the last time I was down there it was ocuppied by the Arrow Forklift Co. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Surviving Factories > Hi Ted, > > Where is the old Witte building located? Is it in the area that lies > between downtown KC, MO and KC, KS? > > Gary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ted Brookover" > To: "Stationary Engine List" > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Surviving Factories > > >> The former "Witte" factory building is still standing here in Kansas >> City, >> although the foundry was torn down many years ago. >> >> Interestingly, the Witte building is a rather shabby little wood frame >> structure, not even close to the grand Brick and Mortar edifice that is >> represented in and on the cover of several of the original Witte >> Catalogs. >> >> Of course Witte, along with many if not most of the engine sellers of the >> day, played fast and loose with the facts when trying to make their > company >> appear to be of long standing and solid stature. >> >> Many of them would claim to have been in the engine business for periods > of >> time that at the would have had them building engines long before engines >> came into regular use. >> >> A lot of "Vender", or mail order operations, would buy out a failed >> engine >> manufacturer, then use the history of that failed company to mask the > fact >> that they them selves were not actually building engines, but selling >> someone else's product under license. >> >> A little slippery, but it sure looked "Grand" in the catalog. >> Ted Brookover >> 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. >> Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 >> 816-763-3142 >> ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ >> Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm >> >> This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Curt" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:22 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Surviving Factories >> >> >> > Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >> > >> >>After seeing what remains of the original Ronaldson-Tippett factory >> >>last >> >>weekend I am curious as to which other engine manufacturers factories > are >> >>still standing. I know that part of the Rosebery factory here in Sydney > is >> >>still there as is the Fuller & Johnson factory in Madison and the Root >> >>& >> >>Van >> >>Dervoort factory in East Moline. Who else has survived? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Patrick, >> > Nice thread idea! >> > >> > I have seen: >> > The Hercules factory in Evansville, IN >> > The Emerson Brantingham offices in Waynesoboro, PA (now an apartment >> > building) >> > The Geiser works next door in Waynesboro, PA >> > The Frick Factory nearby. (still in business) >> > The Landis factory nearby. (still in business) >> > The remains of Abenaque works in Westminster Station, VT >> > >> > Curt Holland >> > Gastonia, NC >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 30 09:00:48 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:00:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories References: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <41826052.80800@imc-group.com><003801c4bdfd$383576e0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <41839A8E.7050105@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000201c4be99$cbd20930$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Here are some pics of engine related building from Kansas city's past. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/sign.html Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Surviving Factories > I'm really enjoying this thread as its a part of the old iron history that > tends to be forgotten. I think this would make a great GEM article. The > old Hagan factory was torn down about 25 years ago. I was fortunate to > have gone in it before it met the wrecking ball. The old building looked > exactly as it did during the engine building days. The "second" home of > Hagan is still standing. Hagan sold out in 1917 to Saunier Brothers of > Lexington. Saunier sold Hagan engines after they acquired the company but > they were primarily constructed from the left over parts, rebuilds, etc. > The Saunier buildings still stand in Lexington and look like they did 100 > years ago. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Ted Brookover wrote: > >> The former "Witte" factory building is still standing here in Kansas >> City, >> although the foundry was torn down many years ago. >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From shop at cccomm.net Sat Oct 30 14:31:24 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:31:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Yellow herc Message-ID: <034a01c4bec7$d03fada0$6501a8c0@Shop> Check out the yellow Hercules. It still needs more paint. Bobs is back together and runs. All the tinkering is done and he will disassemble it and paint it to match mine. We are thinking about either red or black pinstriping, but haven't decided yet. What would look best? We are going to paint the pushrod and trip mechanism gloss black, so maybe red would stand out the best? Dave http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009545&a=31299772&p=69933702&f=0 From mtucker at uky.edu Sat Oct 30 15:11:52 2004 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 18:11:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: <41839A8E.7050105@scrtc.com> References: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <41826052.80800@imc-group.com> <003801c4bdfd$383576e0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <41839A8E.7050105@scrtc.com> Message-ID: >The Saunier buildings still stand in Lexington and look like they >did 100 years ago. Tommy, Where in Lexington are the Saunier buildings? Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From galoway4 at earthlink.net Sat Oct 30 15:32:31 2004 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 17:32:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Power Unit References: Message-ID: <002301c4bed0$5eaa2360$d7d35a42@jake> Hello George: Thanks for the note/This power unit is the same as in the tractor LA. It is a neat sutup.has a transmission on the back side with the power take off on the left side.The pto runs from front to back. pully wheel in back and chain sproket in front, has a speed changer shift at front along the right side with a lever that operates a through out bearing The front being the radiator. May have come off of some early type combine Thanks Arthur buchanan ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 9:48 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Power Unit > Arthur, > > Need more information than it is 2 cylinder ;-) > > The LUC power unit is a vertical two cylinder like used on the LA > tractor. > The W power unit is a horizontal two cylinder like the Model D tractor. > > I'm no JD expert so there may be other two cylinder power units JD sold. > > George > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > Arthur Buchanan > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 4:38 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] Power Unit > > > > Purchased a John Deer power unit today. Anyone have > > information on 2 cylender J.D.power unit? S.N. 57089 > > > > Arthur Buchanan > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Oct 30 18:07:33 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:07:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Yellow herc References: <034a01c4bec7$d03fada0$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <000601c4bee6$01258c50$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Needs a lot more paint. Red or black are fine as long as it covers the yellow. I've seen the inside of diapers with a better color and the puke factor was the same when I saw your picture. That engine deserves better. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "Engine List" Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 3:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Yellow herc Check out the yellow Hercules. It still needs more paint. Bobs is back together and runs. All the tinkering is done and he will disassemble it and paint it to match mine. We are thinking about either red or black pinstriping, but haven't decided yet. What would look best? We are going to paint the pushrod and trip mechanism gloss black, so maybe red would stand out the best? Dave http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009545&a=31299772&p=69933702&f=0 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sleis at mwt.net Sat Oct 30 20:04:05 2004 From: sleis at mwt.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:04:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Alamo engine References: <004101c4bbce$ee9229f0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <000f01c4bef6$48e4c140$1055becf@computer> Hi everyone Thank you Bill for the info, is there a web site that tells how to poure the babbit bearings? Stacy :-) From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Oct 30 18:58:10 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 21:58:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: References: <200410291339.i9TDddNh014377@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <41826052.80800@imc-group.com> <003801c4bdfd$383576e0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <41839A8E.7050105@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <418446B2.2020607@scrtc.com> Mike, They're about 2 blocks from Rupp Arena. If you are US 27 going away from Rupp, turn left on 2nd St., then the next left will be Saunier St. You'll see all the old Saunier Buildings on the right. Unless they've taken it down in the last 6 months, there will be a sign that says "Saunier Brothers Iron Works". A great grandson of the Saunier's owns the place now and rents out a portion of it to stable the horses for the Lexington carriage rides. Another portion of it is an art studio I think. The very end of it, the part nearest Rupp, is much like it was in the Hagan days complete with old lineshaft machinery. I would guess eventually the buildings will be sold as the real estate has to be worth some big $$$$. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Michael Tucker wrote: >> The Saunier buildings still stand in Lexington and look like they did >> 100 years ago. > > > Tommy, > > Where in Lexington are the Saunier buildings? > > Mike From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 30 16:30:18 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 18:30:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Norton Problem O.T. Message-ID: <007001c4bed8$6d03de80$210110ac@PaulMaples> Hey gang I was doing a "Live Update" on my recently repaired computer that my grandsons use and I got a Red X indicating something needed attention and I discovered that the "Intrusion Detection" was OFF. I tried to turn it on and got this message: "Failed to save settings. Please verify that your windows account is not restricted" I went to Internet tools and then to security and there was no sites listed in the restricted box. Tried rebooting and no help, still off and I cannot turn it on. If anyone can help me please RESPOND OFF LIST. Thanks Paul From bill at antique-engines.com Sat Oct 30 20:37:16 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 22:37:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c4befa$ec8f1d00$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> I've not read ALL of the posts in this thread, so maybe this has been broached (ouch, there is a sore topic) already.... Can someone take all of this FANTASTIC!! Information and put it up on oldengine.org like as a subset of pages, or on one page, or whatever? This is fascenating, and it might be cool if I win the lottery to be able to take such info and just go around the globe visiting these old places! Keep 'em coming! Amazingly on topic, too! :-) Bill Runnells, Iowa bill at antique-engines.com www.antique-engines.com -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tucker Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 5:12 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Surviving Factories >The Saunier buildings still stand in Lexington and look like they >did 100 years ago. Tommy, Where in Lexington are the Saunier buildings? Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Sat Oct 30 20:42:00 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 22:42:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Alamo engine In-Reply-To: <000f01c4bef6$48e4c140$1055becf@computer> Message-ID: <000501c4befb$95ede0c0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> There are probably others, but Ken provided me the info and I was more than happy to post it at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/billd/bearing.htm Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Stacy Leis Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 10:04 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Alamo engine Hi everyone Thank you Bill for the info, is there a web site that tells how to poure the babbit bearings? Stacy :-) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Oct 30 21:04:55 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:04:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: <000201c4befa$ec8f1d00$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> References: <000201c4befa$ec8f1d00$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <06237A30-2AF2-11D9-A520-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > Keep 'em coming! Amazingly on topic, too! :-) Yeah. Nobody's even suggested setting up a strip bar or bordello in an old engine factory. John From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Oct 31 05:08:18 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 08:08:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ottawa Engine Date Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041031080707.02246a40@mail.alltel.net> Can anyone tell me the year of manufacture of this 5 HP Ottawa Engine--S/N TE 28815? Dave From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Oct 31 08:40:03 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:40:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Yellow herc Message-ID: <20041031.114505.1112.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Dave I sorta like the Yellow Herc - With some contrasting pinstriping and proper decals, I think it will be a keeper. My vote is for red pin stripes & Connecting rod. Black on the trip mechanism. Nice job. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Oct 31 11:33:52 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:33:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Nice Tulip Top Bamford on eBay Message-ID: View this Item on eBay at http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnter&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D2280071707%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1&partner=777701 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bamford Open Crank,Hit & Miss ,Stationary Engine Item number: 2280071707 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Seller: stuckinmuck(88) Positive Feedback: 100% Member since Jun-24-04 in United Kingdom Current bid: GBP?800.00 (Reserve met) (Approximately?US?$1,469.80) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Time left: 4 days 20 hours 10-day listing Ends Nov-04-0412:00:00 PST Item location: CHARMOUTH United Kingdom Ships to: Worldwide ----------------------------------------------------------------- Summary "THE BAMFORD"OPEN CRANK,,HIT & MISS STATIONARY ENGINE,,,NO...7732,,,2 1/2 H.P.,,,TURLIP HOPPER MODEL,,,,HAS WEBSTER "TRI-POLAR OSCILLATOR" SPARKER ,,ENGINE HAS BEEN STORED MANY YEARS,IT IS COMPLETE AND GOOD CONDITION,,EVEN HAS ITS ORIGINAL GUARD AND STARTING HANDLE.....THERE IS NO FROST DAMAGE OR REPAIRS,,,,,I HAVE PUT A RESERVE PRICE,,,BUT I WILL NOT SAY WHAT IT IS....HAPPY BIDDING....VIEWING IS NOT A PROBLEM,,,EMAIL TO ARRANGE................ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Oct 31 11:38:33 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:38:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Caste Iron Currey Listers Message-ID: Hi Folks, This seller has two of the Caste Iron Currey Lister diesel engines on eBay. There's also a real Lister Diesel. See ya, Arnie ---------- Forwarded message ---------- View this Item on eBay at http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnter&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D3849227201%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1&partner=777701 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 6 1/2 HP Slow Speed Diesel Engine Lister 1 Cylinder Item number: 3849227201 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Seller: lobstamang(953) Starting bid: US $349.50 Buy It Now Price: US $750.00 Item location: Five Isl., ME United States/Boston Summary Up for auction is a brand new 6 1/2 HP "Lister" style double flywheel engine built by Metex of India this year. 6 1/2 HP at 650 RPM, Direct Injection, Cylinder Liner and Tapered Roller Bearing Mains. This is some serious old technology. It is a simple time proven design that is still in use in rural areas of the world due to its extreme simplicity and reliability. Has exposed push rods and hand crank start with compression release. 114 mm Bore x 140mm stroke. Specific fuel consumption 268 grams/Kwh. Uses Thermosiphon cooling- no water pump needed. You will need to hook up your cooling tank ( a water barrel or a radiator)These are very easy starting. My 4th grade son can start them. And they sound great running.Comes with a tool set, Flat belt pulley ,owners manual and Foundation bolts. We have scrimped on nothing on these engines, they are 800 Pounds of solid iron. And should gives you years of faithful service. If you are thinking of one now is your chance - These normally sell for 750.00 each. It has what I think are the nicer looking spoked 2 Foot Diameter flywheels. They are for stationary use only . I also have a 2 cylinder version brand new in crate 12HP 650 RPM for 2000.00FOB Woolwich, Maine 04579.On Jun-10-04 at 15:59:59 PDT, seller added the following information:function OpenFQWidget() {var sString;if (document.frmFreightQuote.Loc[1].checked) {sString='&DEST=INTL';}else {sString='&DEST=US&ZIP=' + document.frmFreightQuote.txtZip.value;}window.open ('http://ebay.freightquote.com/FreightCalculator.asp?AuctionID=3821094782' + sString, 'FQWidget', 'width=600,height=400,toolbar=0,location=0,directories=0,status=0,menubar=0,scrollbars=1,resizable=1');}   Freight Shipping Calculator Please Select the Destination: US/Canada, enter zip code   International    ----------------------------------------------------------------- LISTER DIESEL STATIONARY ENGINE Item number: 2280011529 Seller: mrgutheridge Current bid: GBP31.00 (ApproximatelyUS$56.95) Ends Nov-01-04 09:37:46 PST Item location: wales United Kingdom Ships to: United Kingdom Summary Lister diesel - No 464512 - 650 rpm - 6 hp - 2 foot flywheel - 3.4 feet high x 2.1 feet long x 3 feet wide. aprox weight 4 / 5 cwt. Last run about 6 years ago.There is some frost damage ( not major ) to the front of the outer cooling jacket but a good cast welder should not find this a problem.I have not tried to start the engine but it does turn over by hand, good winter restoration project - delivery can be arranged probably around the 50.00 mark depending on postal code, or you are welcome to collect from Carmarthen end of the M4.The pictures you are looking at are the actual item you are buying, they are not down loaded or copied from any other source, what you see is what you get. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Oct 31 11:39:51 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:39:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Crossley Twin Sideshaft on eBay Message-ID: View this Item on eBay at http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnter&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D2280776423%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1&partner=777701 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Crossley PH1065 open crank, stationary engine Item number: 2280776423 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Seller: sg1065(10) Current bid: GBP?590.00 (Approximately?US?$1,083.98) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Ends Nov-04-0404:34:25 PST Item location: West Yorkshire United Kingdom/Leeds Ships to: Will arrange for local pickup only (no shipping). ----------------------------------------------------------------- Summary This engine was restored two years ago & has been rallied for the last two seasons. It is an excellent example of a solid British built engine , but is not too heavy (approx 6cwt), & not too big to move around. It comes with a couple of extra  interesting items, such as its origional workshop manual,  a document from the Crossley factory test shop showing it to be a 5 hp machine, which entered service on the 27th April 1926, & also showing  the name of its first owner. The engine has been rallied all this season with no problems as such, but for some reason at the moment it seems to have developed a misfire, possibly due to damp in the ignition as it was caught out in the rain last time out & my garage is also a little on the damp side too. I need to get rid of this engine due to a lack of space in my workshop, with a lot machinary coming in for repairs in the next few months. This engine is on the site to sell, but if it does not reach a reasonable price by the end of the week then i reserve the right to remove it at short notice to offer it for sale in the stationary engine magazine instead. ----------------------------------------------------------------- From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Oct 31 13:01:13 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:01:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:38:17 EST, you wrote: >If you can remember Dennis Roleaus web page address, there is some nice >photos of the Alamo engine plant in Hillsdale MI. Betty and I took these a few >years back (5) . You might find them interesting > >Skip Cleveland Denis Rouleau originally had a site on Oldengine, but looking in the directory now there is a redirect to this site: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/buzzcoil/index.html and there is another redirect to: http://members.tripod.com/~buzzcoil/indexpages/index-48.html and the Alamo plant pictures are on: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/buzzcoil/page34.html Peter PS: Skip wanted this posted to the SEL List but his AOL email address won't work apparently, so I have copied it over for him. From BetCleve321 at aol.com Sun Oct 31 13:09:09 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:09:09 EST Subject: [SEL] Surviving factories Message-ID: <79.373bb5ae.2eb6ae75@aol.com> http://www.angelfire.com/ny/buzzcoil/page34.html Here are some pictures of the Alamo factory in Hillsdale MI. Skip From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Oct 31 13:17:27 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:17:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Surviving factories In-Reply-To: <79.373bb5ae.2eb6ae75@aol.com> References: <79.373bb5ae.2eb6ae75@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:09:09 EST, you wrote: >http://www.angelfire.com/ny/buzzcoil/page34.html >Here are some pictures of the Alamo factory in Hillsdale MI. > >Skip Looks like your email works OK after all Skip, that came through fine. Peter From BetCleve321 at aol.com Sun Oct 31 13:34:59 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:34:59 EST Subject: [SEL] Surviving factories Message-ID: <1ec.2c9e2ba5.2eb6b483@aol.com> In a message dated 10/31/2004 4:22:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, diesel at easynet.co.uk writes: Looks like your email works OK after all Skip, that came through fine. Peter I just thought I would give it a shot. Thanks again for your help. By the way, the Alamo building is remarkably in tact, the locals are proud of it's heritage.We had dinner at a cafe across the street and asked where the building was. The server said ,right there. I went out and took these pictures. Skip From BetCleve321 at aol.com Sun Oct 31 13:50:04 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:50:04 EST Subject: [SEL] Re: Surviving Factories Message-ID: In a message dated 10/30/2004 4:10:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, oldengin at udata.com writes: Funny, I would like to see some pics of these old buildings as it is a bit of history you hardly ever hear about. -- C-ya Leroy Clark _http://www.angelfire.com/ny/buzzcoil/page34.html_ (http://www.angelfire.com/ny/buzzcoil/page34.html) Wel, here you go. Skip From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Oct 31 16:21:30 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:21:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories References: <000201c4befa$ec8f1d00$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <00b001c4bfa8$bc1af230$8a63fea9@sweeper> Bill I tried to send my collated (as of 1 Nov) document over the List but it was too big. Sent it off-list. If anyone similarly interested can do same for them. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 2:37 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Surviving Factories > I've not read ALL of the posts in this thread, so maybe this has been > broached (ouch, there is a sore topic) already.... > Can someone take all of this FANTASTIC!! Information and put it up on > oldengine.org like as a subset of pages, or on one page, or whatever? > > This is fascenating, and it might be cool if I win the lottery to be able to > take such info and just go around the globe visiting these old places! > > Keep 'em coming! Amazingly on topic, too! :-) > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa > bill at antique-engines.com > www.antique-engines.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tucker > Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 5:12 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Surviving Factories > > > >The Saunier buildings still stand in Lexington and look like they > >did 100 years ago. > > Tommy, > > Where in Lexington are the Saunier buildings? > > Mike > -- > ____________________ > Michael Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > mtucker at uky.edu > ____________________ _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Oct 31 23:01:55 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 18:01:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: <003801c4bdfd$383576e0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <200411010702.iA1725JM074977@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> You make a good point Ted. I have seen some interesting, let's say, stretches of the truth in engine catalogues. Quite often just clever wording but sometimes just outright fabrications. I have a Bartram catalogue that at no point says that the engines were not made by them. They even have one engine which is called a model KL which is interesting as all their engines at the time were made by Kelly & Lewis. They quite happily sold engines made by others as their own and they were not the only company around the world who did this. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- The former "Witte" factory building is still standing here in Kansas City, although the foundry was torn down many years ago. Interestingly, the Witte building is a rather shabby little wood frame structure, not even close to the grand Brick and Mortar edifice that is represented in and on the cover of several of the original Witte Catalogs. Of course Witte, along with many if not most of the engine sellers of the day, played fast and loose with the facts when trying to make their company appear to be of long standing and solid stature. Many of them would claim to have been in the engine business for periods of time that at the would have had them building engines long before engines came into regular use. A lot of "Vender", or mail order operations, would buy out a failed engine manufacturer, then use the history of that failed company to mask the fact that they them selves were not actually building engines, but selling someone else's product under license. A little slippery, but it sure looked "Grand" in the catalog. Ted Brookover From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 31 13:25:13 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:25:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Peanut Roaster - Louisana Message-ID: <00a501c4bf90$2f109bf0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Age is taking it's toll on me, cannot remember anything nor find anything. Who was the SEL member that lives in Louisiana that was building a peanut roaster last year using a beer barrel and a Maytag engine. He was the one I got my "Lever-Rite" engine from, a good friend of mine and I'll be darn if I can think of his name. Someone bail me out on this or if my friend is reading this please forgive me for forgetting your name and give me a shout. His name is right on the tip of my tongue yet the brain is gone. Help!! Paul