Thanks Arnie, http://oldenginehouse.users.btopenworld.com/cakemill.htm Never heard of a cake breaker. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz