From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Nov 1 03:25:11 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:25:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories References: <200411010702.iA1725JM074977@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <003701c4c005$74a8de50$431becdc@km> G'Day Patrick I assume Kelly and Lewis engines were made at Castlemaine (Victoria), they are a leading pump and rail eguipment manufacture if that is the case their factory is still operating ? Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Nov 1 03:33:56 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:33:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: <003701c4c005$74a8de50$431becdc@km> Message-ID: <200411011134.iA1BY2FE044092@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Kerry, The company still exists as Thompsons Kelly & Lewis but I don't think they are in Castlemaine anymore. Their website shows their head office location in Mulgrave. Vic. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- G'Day Patrick I assume Kelly and Lewis engines were made at Castlemaine (Victoria), they are a leading pump and rail eguipment manufacture if that is the case their factory is still operating ? Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Nov 1 04:00:36 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:00:36 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Ottawa throttle governed 4hp question - buggered governor? Message-ID: <41862564.3090400@steamengine.com.au> The governor on my Ottawa 4hp has failed (just a part of my engine problems at Goldsmith on the weekend...). Looking at the mechanism as far as I can tell: - the butterfly valve has a spring on it which holds it normally closed (without the governor connection it sits closed) - the governor seems to pull back on the rod closing the valve I'm thinking that one of these is wrong - either there is a spring missing which would keep the valve normally open and only close it when the governor comes into play at the "right" speed, or the governor should hold the valve open against its spring until it reaches the right speed. Can someone who knows about Ottawa governors point me in the right direction? Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 1 04:14:56 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 06:14:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Peanut Roaster - Louisana Message-ID: <002a01c4c00c$686fbb70$210110ac@PaulMaples> ----- Original Message ----- From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 3:25 PM Subject: Peanut Roaster - Louisana Age is taking it's toll on me, cannot remember anything nor find anything. Who was the SEL member that lives in Louisiana that was building a peanut roaster last year using a beer barrel and a Maytag engine. He was the one I got my "Lever-Rite" engine from, a good friend of mine and I'll be darn if I can think of his name. Someone bail me out on this or if my friend is reading this please forgive me for forgetting your name and give me a shout. His name is right on the tip of my tongue yet the brain is gone. Help!! Paul From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Nov 1 04:20:09 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 12:20:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Alamo engine Message-ID: Stacy, Here is a link to a book in .pdf format that has alot of useful info in it: http://www.metalwebnews.com/howto/babbitt/babbitt.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============================== >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Stacy Leis >Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 10:04 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Alamo engine > > >Hi everyone > > Thank you Bill for the info, is there a web site that tells how to >poure >the babbit bearings? > > Stacy :-) > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Nov 1 04:24:18 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 12:24:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Peanut Roaster - Louisana Message-ID: Was it Bo Hinch? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ==================== >From: >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] Fw: Peanut Roaster - Louisana >Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 06:14:56 -0600 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net >To: The SEL email discussion list >Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 3:25 PM >Subject: Peanut Roaster - Louisana > > >Age is taking it's toll on me, cannot remember anything nor find anything. >Who was the SEL member that lives in Louisiana that was building a peanut >roaster last year using a beer barrel and a Maytag engine. He was the one I >got my "Lever-Rite" engine from, a good friend of mine and I'll be darn if >I can think of his name. Someone bail me out on this or if my friend is >reading this please forgive me for forgetting your name and give me a >shout. > >His name is right on the tip of my tongue yet the brain is gone. > >Help!! > >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 1 04:48:23 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 06:48:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Peanut Roaster - Louisana References: Message-ID: <003b01c4c011$14f34200$210110ac@PaulMaples> Doug, Luke, that is it, thanks guys. Just goes to show you are a lot younger than I am. WHAT ABOUT AN E-MAIL ADDRESS, I NEED TO TALK TO HIM. Thanks, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:24 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Fw: Peanut Roaster - Louisana > Was it Bo Hinch? > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ==================== > >>From: >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >> From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 1 05:01:40 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 07:01:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] "Lever-Rite" Engine References: Message-ID: <005001c4c012$eff79120$210110ac@PaulMaples> Bo has another "Lever-Rite" engine he is giving me so I have to contact him. I have not seem him on the list in a long time, I hope all is well with him and his family. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:24 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Fw: Peanut Roaster - Louisana > Was it Bo Hinch? > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ==================== > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 1 05:13:41 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 07:13:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Bo Hinch E-mail Address Message-ID: <006201c4c014$a1ca86e0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Can someone send me Bo's e-mail address. Need to contact him about a Lever-Rite engine. Thanks Paul From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Nov 1 05:52:06 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 08:52:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: <200411010702.iA1725JM074977@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <003801c4bdfd$383576e0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <200411010702.iA1725JM074977@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041101085029.0230b640@mail.alltel.net> At 02:01 AM 11/1/2004, you wrote: >You make a good point Ted. I have seen some interesting, let's say, >stretches of the truth ............ Quite often just clever wording >but sometimes just outright fabrications. >Patrick I'm not sure that this sort of politics re: John Kerry belongs on this List! Dave From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Nov 1 05:57:55 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:57:55 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Need Bo Hinch E-mail Address References: <006201c4c014$a1ca86e0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <001e01c4c01a$c9cb8ee0$6b856ad5@no1> Hi Paul, His photo site is at http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009275 & 2 years ago his E Mail was mmco at cox-internet.com Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 1:13 PM Subject: [SEL] Need Bo Hinch E-mail Address Can someone send me Bo's e-mail address. Need to contact him about a Lever-Rite engine. Thanks Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Nov 1 06:30:28 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 09:30:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Louisana- now my forgetter be forgotten OT In-Reply-To: <002a01c4c00c$686fbb70$210110ac@PaulMaples> References: <002a01c4c00c$686fbb70$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <41864884.7090701@imc-group.com> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: >Age is taking it's toll on me, cannot remember anything nor find anything. Who was the SEL member that lives in Louisiana that was building a peanut roaster last year using a beer barrel and a Maytag engine. He was the one I got my "Lever-Rite" engine from, a good friend of mine and I'll be darn if I can think of his name. Someone bail me out on this or if my friend is reading this please forgive me for forgetting your name and give me a shout. > A lot of us can relate Paul! Here is a poem to commiserate with you. Curt My Forgetter Be Forgotten My forgetter's getting better, But my rememberer is broke To you that may seem funny But, to me, that is no joke For when I'm "here" I'm wondering If I really should be "there" And, when I try to think it through, I haven't got a prayer! Oft times I walk into a room, Say "what am I here for?" I wrack my brain, but all in vain! A zero, is my score. At times I put something away Where it is safe, but, Gee! The person it is safest from Is, generally, me! When shopping I may see someone, Say "Hi" and have a chat, Then, when the person walks away I ask myself, "who was that?" Yes, my forgetter's getting better While my rememberer is broke, And it's driving me plumb crazy And that isn't any joke. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Nov 1 08:31:07 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:31:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner Message-ID: Howdy all; Picked up an burner this weekend for melting babbitt. It has the air pump. Do I use white gas (Coleman fuel) in this? And would it be relatively safe to say if it has an air pump and mantle, use white gas....if it has a wick, use kero?? Saw outfit just needs the truck tongue tricked out and then she'll be ready for fall wood cuttin'.....just in time. :-)) later, RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 1 09:58:43 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:58:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Bo Hinch E-mail Address References: <006201c4c014$a1ca86e0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <001e01c4c01a$c9cb8ee0$6b856ad5@no1> Message-ID: <004f01c4c03c$6f7054e0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Thanks Dave. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Bo Hinch E-mail Address > Hi Paul, His photo site is at > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009275 > & 2 years ago his E Mail was mmco at cox-internet.com > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Nov 1 11:05:54 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:05:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200411011906.iA1J66Wp057983@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Picked up an burner this weekend for melting babbitt. It > has the air pump. Do I use white gas (Coleman fuel) in this? Hi Rick, Are we talking about a fire pot, like a backpacking stove but with a lot more mojo? It probably takes kero. I run diesel in mine 'cuz it's easier to obtain. Gasoline vaporizes too quickly and doesn't put out enough BTU's to get the job done. Tips: 1. NEVER look down on the burner. If things aren't just so, it can squirt a stream of flaming fuel a couple feet in the air. 2. Treat your orifice GENTLY. If you make it too big by cleaning it aggressively, the burner will cease to function properly. 3. Protective gear is a really good idea. Exploding molten metal will ruin your wool Armani jacket and leave pits in your Revo glasses. Have fun and play safe. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Nov 1 14:07:03 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:07:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner References: <200411011906.iA1J66Wp057983@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Thank you Chuck..no Rob this burner is like an ole style blow torch. I remember Uncle Joe used to use just plain ole leaded regular pump gas in his blow torches. Probably could use the new pump gas in this. I believe not only was it used for melting babbitt but probably used by plumbers a day or two ago along with Lead and Oakum to seal the cast iron sewer pipes. Now that was a day or two ago!!! Thanks guys!! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 12:05 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner > > > Picked up an burner this weekend for melting babbitt. It > > has the air pump. Do I use white gas (Coleman fuel) in this? > > Hi Rick, > Are we talking about a fire pot, like a backpacking stove but with a lot > more > mojo? It probably takes kero. I run diesel in mine 'cuz it's easier to > obtain. > Gasoline vaporizes too quickly and doesn't put out enough BTU's to get the > job > done. > > Tips: > > 1. NEVER look down on the burner. If things aren't just so, it can > squirt a > stream of flaming fuel a couple feet in the air. > > 2. Treat your orifice GENTLY. If you make it too big by cleaning it > aggressively, the burner will cease to function properly. > > 3. Protective gear is a really good idea. Exploding molten metal will > ruin your > wool Armani jacket and leave pits in your Revo glasses. > > Have fun and play safe. > Rob > > > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Mon Nov 1 16:06:22 2004 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:06:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner In-Reply-To: <200411011906.iA1J66Wp057983@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: I just want to add a couple tips- -To avoid the exploding molten metal part don't drop cold chunks into an already molten pot of metal, if you're going to add more, it's a very good idea to preheat the metal before putting it in, this gets rid of the moisture which is what usually causes that... Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > Picked up an burner this weekend for melting babbitt. It > > has the air pump. Do I use white gas (Coleman fuel) in this? > > Hi Rick, > Are we talking about a fire pot, like a backpacking stove but with a lot more > mojo? It probably takes kero. I run diesel in mine 'cuz it's easier to obtain. > Gasoline vaporizes too quickly and doesn't put out enough BTU's to get the job > done. > > Tips: > > 1. NEVER look down on the burner. If things aren't just so, it can squirt a > stream of flaming fuel a couple feet in the air. > > 2. Treat your orifice GENTLY. If you make it too big by cleaning it > aggressively, the burner will cease to function properly. > > 3. Protective gear is a really good idea. Exploding molten metal will ruin your > wool Armani jacket and leave pits in your Revo glasses. > > Have fun and play safe. > Rob > > > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Mon Nov 1 16:38:19 2004 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:38:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've got one of the plumbers pots and a couple old blow torches laying around too. I liked to use the white fuel, it takes longer for it to go bad unlike gasoline and gasoline has a slightly lower evaporation temperature, meaning the warmer it gets inside the container the more pressure... white gas has a slightly higher evaporation point. Kerosine has a much higher evaporation point. I tried kerosine in both the torches and the plumbers pot and neither one would burn right. Kerosine burns too slow... >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Richard Strobel wrote: > Thank you Chuck..no Rob this burner is like an ole style blow torch. I > remember Uncle Joe used to use just plain ole leaded regular pump gas in his > blow torches. Probably could use the new pump gas in this. I believe not > only was it used for melting babbitt but probably used by plumbers a day or > two ago along with Lead and Oakum to seal the cast iron sewer pipes. > > Now that was a day or two ago!!! > > Thanks guys!! > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Skinner" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 12:05 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner > > > > > > > Picked up an burner this weekend for melting babbitt. It > > > has the air pump. Do I use white gas (Coleman fuel) in this? > > > > Hi Rick, > > Are we talking about a fire pot, like a backpacking stove but with a lot > > more > > mojo? It probably takes kero. I run diesel in mine 'cuz it's easier to > > obtain. > > Gasoline vaporizes too quickly and doesn't put out enough BTU's to get the > > job > > done. > > > > Tips: > > > > 1. NEVER look down on the burner. If things aren't just so, it can > > squirt a > > stream of flaming fuel a couple feet in the air. > > > > 2. Treat your orifice GENTLY. If you make it too big by cleaning it > > aggressively, the burner will cease to function properly. > > > > 3. Protective gear is a really good idea. Exploding molten metal will > > ruin your > > wool Armani jacket and leave pits in your Revo glasses. > > > > Have fun and play safe. > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > > Rob Skinner > > La Habra, California > > www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Nov 1 16:11:22 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:11:22 EST Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner Message-ID: <1e6.2daed019.2eb82aaa@aol.com> In a message dated 11/1/2004 11:35:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: << Picked up an burner this weekend for melting babbitt. It has the air pump. Do I use white gas (Coleman fuel) in this? >> Rick, I have one I picked up at an auction a couple of years ago that no one else wanted. I fired it up with Coleman fuel and high test gas. I think high test gas will work fine, just need to drain out due to going bad like you said. When I first fired mine up, I took it outside and placed it on top of the well concrete casing and had the fire extinguisher handy just in case. I did find one small fitting leak that needed tightening. Works just fine! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Nov 1 16:41:59 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:41:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner In-Reply-To: <200411011906.iA1J66Wp057983@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200411011906.iA1J66Wp057983@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <015BA976-2C68-11D9-88C2-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > 2. Treat your orifice GENTLY. Good advice, always. Don't want to blow an O-ring. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 1 16:39:10 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:39:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner Message-ID: <20041101.194139.1080.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hey Rich, I know there's a bunch of Blow Torch sites out there. I use a blow torch every now & then when I solder. Try a search for Plumbers Stoves ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Nov 1 20:58:35 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:58:35 -0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: First Hit Miss Engine In-Reply-To: <005701c4c07c$c048f120$42c8f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <200411020458.iA24wlAD056589@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Congratulations Ed! Your engine was built in 1936 according to Wendel's Notebook. The mag is a WICO Model EK. Be gentle in trying to remove the valves and the piston ring. For me, I like to gently tap the ring into the groove, going around and around until it moves freely. No matter how you approach it, take your time. Rob From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Nov 2 02:09:27 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:09:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] For those of you discussing NHMA Insurance - Please read this... Message-ID: <41875CD7.50404@steamengine.com.au> I have reproduced on my site the information that has been provided to the secretaries of the NHMA affiliated clubs. This information is for all club members covered under the NHMA policies. Since not everyone in every club is likely to be shown this information I've taken the liberty of publishing it for members of NHMA affiliated clubs. I have reproduced the article out of journalistic interest and to allow INFORMED debate over the insurance matters. http://www.steamengine.com.au/misc/nhma/insurance2004.html Please don't flame me for taking "their" side as people did some time ago when I published the safety guidelines on my site. I'm providing the information to allow informed debate. Out of interest the guidelines are still available: http://www.steamengine.com.au/misc/nhma/safety_guidelines.html http://www.steamengine.com.au/misc/nhma/tractor_guidelines.html Note that these copies are about two years old and I know the guidelines have changed. I'll get a copy out of my club secretary and update the documents when I get a chance to. Sadly NHMA STILL have not put them online despite my repeated offers to them of free hosting. Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Nov 2 03:34:49 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 19:34:49 +0800 Subject: [SEL] re those of us discussing insurance Message-ID: <001501c4c0cf$fa0dace0$9ea226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Paul ...at last answers to those questions we have asked . I cant understand anyone who objects to this . But rest assured the objectors will soon be heard. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From froberts at dodo.com.au Mon Nov 1 15:56:21 2004 From: froberts at dodo.com.au (Fred Roberts) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:56:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Louisana- now my forgetter be forgotten OT References: <002a01c4c00c$686fbb70$210110ac@PaulMaples> <41864884.7090701@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <007b01c4c06e$63fa4c60$d185dccb@froberts> >Curt I loved your poem, how damn true it is I think I over taxed my little brain when I was younger. Regards Fred From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 2 17:28:37 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 19:28:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Curt Andree Telephone Number Message-ID: <00b001c4c144$7370b680$210110ac@PaulMaples> Can someone send me Curt's home telephone number, I am trying to call him. Thanks Paul From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Tue Nov 2 18:26:19 2004 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 21:26:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner References: Message-ID: <001401c4c14c$80fe6f10$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> Hi Rick; Pump that puppy up and make sure it will hold pressure without leaking. Minor leaks can ignite without major problems, but you definitely want to be sure there are no big leaks before any fire is involved. I've fixed hundreds ( no exaggeration ) of Coleman products and similar, including "Coleman Gas Plants" which are like a lead melting stove on steroids. Most run on white gas, but there were a lot of mantle lanterns made for kerosene only also. I have never seen a kerosene blowtorch, but I bet they are out there too. The vaporizing tubes for kerosene are generally larger than their gas counterparts, other than that they are so similar as to make it hard to tell them apart. Another thing to be looking for, especially on deep-drawn brass fuel tanks, is cracking. Even if it holds pressure, if there are vertical cracks in the brass fuel tank I would not use it. The potential for a really ugly and painful accident is there, so a little respect and preventative maintenance is in order. Good Luck! Best Regards; Jim Mackessy Syracuse, New York, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 11:31 AM Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner > Howdy all; > Picked up an burner this weekend for melting babbitt. It has the air > pump. Do I use white gas (Coleman fuel) in this? > From MBellar at aol.com Wed Nov 3 06:19:30 2004 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 09:19:30 EST Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner Message-ID: <191.316be765.2eba42f2@aol.com> In a message dated 11/2/2004 11:38:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, jmackess at twcny.rr.com writes: Hi Rick; Pump that puppy up and make sure it will hold pressure without leaking. Minor leaks can ignite without major problems, but you definitely want to be sure there are no big leaks before any fire is involved. Rick; I had a plumber's burner that appeared to work fine. To my dismay I found that if it needed to be pumped up while it is fired, sometimes it would spray fuel back through the pump onto my hand causing a awshit situation. Be careful and shut the burner off before operating the pump. I was able to solve the problem by trashing the burner. Tom Bellar From paul at semidiesel.com Wed Nov 3 21:07:18 2004 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 05:07:18 -0000 Subject: [SEL] A Complaint In-Reply-To: <103020040931.25867.1c8e@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Received the following email tonight from Jeff Allen " ordered my DVD from the museum on Sept. 28th. If finally arrived today, and that is very slow service in my opinion. I ordered NTSC format and got PAL, but my player on the computer has no problem with that. Still not the format I ordered though. The final insult is that it will not play and my drive won't recognize that there is media in it. Checked the drive with a PAL format DVD that I have and it played fine. It is not worth the time or trouble to send it back, so I guess I made a contribution. I am not sure how I will handle this on the SEL list, but it needs to be addressed. I really hate to see other list members go through this and should warn them. I'll sleep on it for now, but not happy here. " So to avoid him having to sleep on it I'm posting it for him. I've refunded his payment and will post him another DVD FOC in the morning. We have been having a lot of problems here trying to keep the museum up and running and for what it is worth I've just come out of hospital for the second time in 8 weeks and don't need the hassle so don't order anything! Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/04 From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 3 21:18:08 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:18:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic Message-ID: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Hi all, just got off the phone with Edd Payne, he says he and Patrick L. have not gotten anything from the list for two days. I got to thinking that it has been slow, though I was busy whatching the returns last night, iy seems I have only recieved 5 messages from SEL for the last two days, whats up ? are we alone or is it just slow? Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Nov 3 22:09:12 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 22:09:12 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic In-Reply-To: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <200411040609.iA469FSH060553@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > I got to thinking that it has been slow, though I was busy > whatching the > returns last night, iy seems I have only recieved 5 messages > from SEL for > the last two days, whats up ? are we alone or is it just slow? Heya Ted, I've been busy in the garage working on long-neglected projects. This evening I started making some spacers for one of my three jaw chucks that will allow me to grind them true again. I've never done this, but have read of a couple different ways to go about it. The chuck is well worn so it will never be perfect again, but it should come out considerably better than it is now. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Nov 4 00:12:48 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:12:48 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic In-Reply-To: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <8vojo05sbi3588oqdl14mm4tfal2qaph0d@4ax.com> On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:18:08 -0600, you wrote: >Hi all, just got off the phone with Edd Payne, he says he and Patrick L. >have not gotten anything from the list for two days. > >I got to thinking that it has been slow, though I was busy whatching the >returns last night, iy seems I have only recieved 5 messages from SEL for >the last two days, whats up ? are we alone or is it just slow? >Ted Brookover Hi Ted: We've been at a rail equipment exhibition all week, but there hasn't been much on the PC when we got back each evening, so you're not alone. Traffic on the usenet sites is down as well, and a lot of folks were caught up in the Presidential elections over on your side which kept them quiet! :-)) Smokestak has been quiet also, so it all seems to be a general trend for a few days, it will soon bounce back. Peter From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Nov 4 04:02:18 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 23:02:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Sort of OT: Odd iron on building Message-ID: <200411041202.iA4C2IdO089995@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Someone pointed out to me something strange in this picture: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240539.JPG The corrugated iron on the building is laid horizontally and not vertically (as is more usual). I think I have seen this a couple of times and Edd says he has seen it a few times. Does anyone have an idea why it would have been done this way? Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From marvhed at ecenet.com Thu Nov 4 04:36:04 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 06:36:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] OT sorta --Jensen pump jack info wanted In-Reply-To: <8vojo05sbi3588oqdl14mm4tfal2qaph0d@4ax.com> References: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <8vojo05sbi3588oqdl14mm4tfal2qaph0d@4ax.com> Message-ID: <30833.199.62.0.252.1099571764.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> i recently purchased a Jensen pump jack. (looks like a miniature oil well pump) i'm looking for operating speed info and the design of the cable clamps to the pump rod. i plan on running it with an IH LB engine. will i need an additional speed reducer jack shaft?" thanks, marv in minn. From curt at imc-group.com Thu Nov 4 04:43:13 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 07:43:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sort of OT: Odd iron on building In-Reply-To: <200411041202.iA4C2IdO089995@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200411041202.iA4C2IdO089995@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <418A23E1.9060602@imc-group.com> Patrick, Structural beam (post) spacing? Hanging vertical would have meant having to install structure between the posts to suppost the joint. Just a guess. Nice picture with your engine. Just curious why the Tippett name is not on the building too? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC curt at imc-group.com Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >Someone pointed out to me something strange in this picture: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240539.JPG > >The corrugated iron on the building is laid horizontally and not vertically >(as is more usual). I think I have seen this a couple of times and Edd says >he has seen it a few times. Does anyone have an idea why it would have been >done this way? >Patrick > > > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Nov 4 04:41:44 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 04:41:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Sort of OT: Odd iron on building In-Reply-To: <200411041202.iA4C2IdO089995@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200411041202.iA4C2IdO089995@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <37069.165.206.180.118.1099572104.squirrel@165.206.180.118> I've seen that quite a bit on larger buildings - and one fellow told me it was because there were fewer vertical seams which are harder to keep the weather out of. Horizontal seams are better/easier to keep the rain out of so more of them is less of an issue. At least that was his explanation. Strength could be a factor (just guessing) as the sheets tie more uprights together laid as they are. Again, that one is simply a guess. Could be there was no reason, just the preference of the person putting it up! Bill > Someone pointed out to me something strange in this picture: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240539.JPG > > The corrugated iron on the building is laid horizontally and not > vertically > (as is more usual). I think I have seen this a couple of times and Edd > says > he has seen it a few times. Does anyone have an idea why it would have > been > done this way? > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Nov 4 05:32:00 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:32:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sort of OT: Odd iron on building In-Reply-To: <200411041202.iA4C2IdO089995@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200411041202.iA4C2IdO089995@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041104083139.02361ec0@mail.alltel.net> At 07:02 AM 11/4/2004, you wrote: >Someone pointed out to me something strange in this picture: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240539.JPG > >The corrugated iron on the building is laid horizontally and not vertically >(as is more usual). I think I have seen this a couple of times and Edd says >he has seen it a few times. Does anyone have an idea why it would have been >done this way? >Patrick That's the way it fit best! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Nov 4 05:47:50 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:47:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic In-Reply-To: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041104083411.0233b5a0@mail.alltel.net> >I got to thinking that it has been slow, though I was busy whatching the >returns last night, iy seems I have only recieved 5 messages from SEL for >the last two days, whats up ? are we alone or is it just slow? >Ted Brookover Hi Ted, I can't speak for others, but I've been out shooting my guns in the air, drinking beer, and just generally celebrating the loss of that FRENCH looking candidate for president of our great country! Dave PS, Did you know that "W" got the MOST votes EVER cast for a President of the USA? (About 4,000,000 more than that FRENCH looking guy!) PPS, Did you know that he is the first president in a LONG TIME to get over 50% of the vote? (Think that Reagan was the last one.) PPPS, I just knew that the American public was not as stupid as the polls were showing! PPPPS, I'm also in the process of restoring a United States Air Compressor built in Cleveland OH. (1930/40's?) S/N 655 SC--any idea how I can get an exact date on it? PPPPPS, Sorry this went to the List, I meant it to go to Ted directly, but pushed the "send" button before I remembered to change the address! PPPPPPS, This is the last "PS" From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Nov 4 05:48:34 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 06:48:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner References: <191.316be765.2eba42f2@aol.com> Message-ID: Appreciate the info guys. Here's a pix of the fire pot and a neat blowtorch..Don't know why but it's got two jets. http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/211469074Tanhks Take Care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner > In a message dated 11/2/2004 11:38:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, > jmackess at twcny.rr.com writes: > > Hi Rick; > Pump that puppy up and make sure it will hold pressure without leaking. > Minor > leaks can ignite without major problems, but you definitely want to be > sure > there > are no big leaks before any fire is involved. > > Rick; > > I had a plumber's burner that appeared to work fine. To my dismay I found > that if it needed to be pumped up while it is fired, sometimes it would > spray > fuel back through the pump onto my hand causing a awshit situation. Be > careful > and shut the burner off before operating the pump. I was able to solve the > problem by trashing the burner. > > Tom Bellar > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mtucker at uky.edu Thu Nov 4 06:01:55 2004 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:01:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic : NOW Election info In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041104083411.0233b5a0@mail.alltel.net> References: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <6.1.2.0.0.20041104083411.0233b5a0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: >PPS, Did you know that he is the first president in a LONG TIME to >get over 50% of the vote? (Think that Reagan was the last one.) Dave, Bush 41 was the last one in 1988 (53%). Here is an interesting site with presidential election results all the way back to 1789. See ya', Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From mtucker at uky.edu Thu Nov 4 06:19:02 2004 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:19:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic : NOW Election info Message-ID: >PPS, Did you know that he is the first president in a LONG TIME to >get over 50% of the vote? (Think that Reagan was the last one.) Dave, Bush 41 was the last one in 1988 (53%). Here is an interesting site with presidential election results all the way back to 1789. OOOOPS! http://uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT/ -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From EnginePaul at aol.com Thu Nov 4 06:41:56 2004 From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:41:56 EST Subject: [SEL] Sort of OT: Odd iron on building Message-ID: <53.19d5e775.2ebb99b4@aol.com> Distance between upright members can we wider with this layout = less cost for same strength. As for acting as a rain screen, as long as there is an overlap it wouldn't make much difference which way they were oriented. This is a guess; I'm not considering wind driven rain that is a factor in some areas as is seismic (earthquake) resistance which is pretty much the same as high wind resistance. Of course the best fit in the opinion of the builder is probably a good explanation. Shorter buildings are usually vertical so you won't have to trim as many panels. If I were building a shed, I'd make the side as high as the closest standard sheet. Paul, Former contractor, but still no expert From curt at imc-group.com Thu Nov 4 06:48:08 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:48:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT sorta --Jensen pump jack info wanted In-Reply-To: <30833.199.62.0.252.1099571764.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <8vojo05sbi3588oqdl14mm4tfal2qaph0d@4ax.com> <30833.199.62.0.252.1099571764.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <418A4128.9030309@imc-group.com> MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: >i recently purchased a Jensen pump jack. >(looks like a miniature oil well pump) >i'm looking for operating speed info and the design of the cable clamps to >the pump rod. > >i plan on running it with an IH LB engine. >will i need an additional speed reducer jack shaft?" > >thanks, marv in minn. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Marv, This spring I hauled one back to NC for a collector. The other day he told me he had it back together and had gotten his parts from the factory. Apparently they are still in business and have lots of old stock in inventory. I'd guess they can help you with speed ratio recommendations vs. HP input. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC curt at imc-group.com From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Nov 4 07:22:52 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:22:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic References: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <001301c4c282$28b1e260$64b0f504@x8h7l9> I have been busy out collecting old iron. Finally got my first hit miss, a Stover CT2 ( needs a mag) , a couple of twin Wisconsin's from a New Holland bailer, a Hobart light plant with a 4 cylinder Hercules, and a pump I don't need but had to rescue anyway. I have to finish the restoration of my Kohler 800 generator before I start something else. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Brookover" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 12:18 AM Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic > Hi all, just got off the phone with Edd Payne, he says he and Patrick L. > have not gotten anything from the list for two days. > > I got to thinking that it has been slow, though I was busy whatching the > returns last night, iy seems I have only recieved 5 messages from SEL for > the last two days, whats up ? are we alone or is it just slow? > Ted Brookover > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > 816-763-3142 > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Nov 4 07:25:35 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:25:35 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Sort of OT: Odd iron on building References: <53.19d5e775.2ebb99b4@aol.com> Message-ID: <002201c4c282$87db74e0$6b856ad5@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sort of OT: Odd iron on building Big Snip > Of course the best fit in the opinion of the builder is probably a good > explanation. Shorter buildings are usually vertical so you won't have to trim as > many panels. If I were building a shed, I'd make the side as high as the closest > standard sheet. > Paul, Perhaps if you lean your broom against the wall it isn't as likely to slip sideways. 8^) Dave Croft From stevebarr at ameritech.net Thu Nov 4 07:32:00 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 07:32:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT sorta --Jensen pump jack info wanted In-Reply-To: <30833.199.62.0.252.1099571764.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <20041104153200.6370.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Marvin My Dad purchased one earlier this year and has done some work on it. I snapped these pics this moring on the way out. (didn't bother to move any junck that was in front of it. We haven't researched the speed yet, http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/EngineEquip/jensenpumpjack.htm There are 2 smaller pumpjacks, but this is the smallest one that looks like its bigger brothers. Flat weights on the beam and coutnter weights. Steve PS - my dad is a FATG...ac b in the background..I just purchased a 1942 IH H over the weekend...I don't know why, but it has a loader and I can pick engines to move them around. Pic is on my auction result page. --- MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: i recently purchased a Jensen pump jack. (looks like a miniature oil well pump) i'm looking for operating speed info and the design of the cable clamps to the pump rod. i plan on running it with an IH LB engine. will i need an additional speed reducer jack shaft?" thanks, marv in minn. ===== ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From marvhed at ecenet.com Thu Nov 4 07:55:06 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:55:06 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] OT sorta --Jensen pump jack info wanted In-Reply-To: <20041104153200.6370.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <30833.199.62.0.252.1099571764.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> <20041104153200.6370.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46938.199.62.0.252.1099583706.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> steve, thanks for the pics!! same style but mine is smaller than that, under 3' tall. the cable rod clamps would be the same. i understand that mine would have been used for water wells. i have found a phone # for jensen. i'll let you know if it's correct. marv in minn > Marvin > > My Dad purchased one earlier this year and has done some work on it. I > snapped these pics this moring on the way out. (didn't bother to move any > junck that was in front of it. We haven't researched the speed yet, > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/EngineEquip/jensenpumpjack.htm > > There are 2 smaller pumpjacks, but this is the smallest one that looks > like its bigger brothers. Flat weights on the beam and coutnter weights. > > Steve > PS - my dad is a FATG...ac b in the background..I just purchased a 1942 IH > H over the weekend...I don't know why, but it has a loader and I can pick > engines to move them around. Pic is on my auction result page. > > --- MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > > i recently purchased a Jensen pump jack. > (looks like a miniature oil well pump) > i'm looking for operating speed info and the design of the cable clamps > to the pump rod. > > i plan on running it with an IH LB engine. > will i need an additional speed reducer jack shaft?" > > thanks, marv in minn. > > > ===== > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr > stevebarr at ameritech.net > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Nov 4 08:27:22 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:27:22 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT sorta --Jensen pump jack info wanted In-Reply-To: <30833.199.62.0.252.1099571764.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <200411041627.iA4GRP7u075217@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > i recently purchased a Jensen pump jack. > (looks like a miniature oil well pump) > i'm looking for operating speed info and the design of the > cable clamps to the pump rod. Hi Marv, IIRC, there is an aluminum tag specifying the cpm. Kelley's Jensen is offsite right now, but I'll try to stop by and get some data today. Rob From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Nov 4 08:56:36 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:56:36 EST Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner Message-ID: Rick, Here are two pictures of my heaters. Both operate off white gas. One is for melting babbit and the second is a very unusual soldering iron heater that will heat two or more irons at a time. Never seen one like it before acquiring it at an auction a few weeks ago. http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/iron%20heater.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/babbit%20heater.jpg Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From George_Best at adp.com Thu Nov 4 09:49:51 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:49:51 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Revitalizing your club Message-ID: Get your mind out of the gutter! ;-) I'm talking about the engine club you most likely belong to. Maybe you're lucky and belong to a club that is energized and growing, however a lot of us belong to clubs that have existed for years and to be honest are in a state of decline. What are some of the things you're club does which gets the membership involved in the club? Of course most clubs have one or more shows a year, but what else do you do? For example my club every winter has a class on the last Saturday of each month. These classes cover most of the restoration topics related to our hobby. We occasionally have a guest speaker come in to demonstrate something or club members put on part of a class. After doing these classes for years, most of us are attending mostly due to the social aspects of talking to our buddies to find out what they're working on, etc. My club has four general meetings during the year (Feb,Apr,Jun,Oct) and these meeting are generally hosted by one of the club members with a larger collection and room to accommodate the 40-50 people that may show up. We have two other meetings, but the Dec one is for election of officers and is held at a restaurant. The Aug meeting is basically a ice cream social held during our main show. I've toyed with the idea of trying to get more members involved by having an "open shop" program or programs. One version is for members who would like to show their collection/shop/projects/etc to select a date and have it published in the club newsletter. It would be an open invitation for people to come by between 9am and 3pm (or any time period the person wants to set). The idea is for members to select dates not conflicting with club meetings and events. Ideally, a club would have enough members interested in doing this that throughout the year most Saturday's excluding show weekends would have one or more members having a "open shop". Another version would be to have some members host a weekly shop night. I did this several years ago with another club member. Every Monday night during the winter he'd come over to my shop and we'd work on his engine or one of my projects. I still pretty much have Monday night as my night out in the shop, but I'm on my own now. So if there were members with nice shops willing to let others come over to work on projects, that would be another option. Comments? George From nancydick at keyconn.net Thu Nov 4 12:55:35 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:55:35 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Sort of OT: Odd iron on building In-Reply-To: <53.19d5e775.2ebb99b4@aol.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20041104125306.00b49ca0@mail.keyconn.net> Paul i don't know about your area but around here we can get them up to 40 feet. That would be a tall building. And as you said Former Contractor But i still don't know any thing. R Fink PA At 09:41 AM 11/4/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Distance between upright members can we wider with this layout = less cost >for same strength. As for acting as a rain screen, as long as there is an >overlap it wouldn't make much difference which way they were oriented. >This is a guess; I'm not considering wind driven rain that is a factor in >some areas as is seismic (earthquake) resistance which is pretty much the >same as >high wind resistance. > >Of course the best fit in the opinion of the builder is probably a good >explanation. Shorter buildings are usually vertical so you won't have to >trim as >many panels. If I were building a shed, I'd make the side as high as the >closest >standard sheet. > >Paul, >Former contractor, but still no expert >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Nov 4 10:49:39 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:49:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041104083411.0233b5a0@mail.alltel.net> References: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <6.1.2.0.0.20041104083411.0233b5a0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <486B6EE3-2E92-11D9-BB57-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Probably not the last BS, though. :-D John On Nov 4, 2004, at 8:47 AM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > PPPPPPS, This is the last "PS" (I'm happy about it, too, BTW.) John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From shop at cccomm.net Thu Nov 4 11:35:11 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:35:11 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Hercules/Economy engine Message-ID: <03a101c4c2a5$67482430$6501a8c0@Shop> The Hercules/Economy engine is just about compete except for a few parts that are coming from Hit & Miss. The red background on the Economy decal didn't come out in the photos as well as I would have liked, but in one of the photos you can see enough of it to get the idea. The red really stands out. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31299772 Dave From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Nov 4 12:35:07 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:35:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner Message-ID: <20041104.153955.812.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rick, Couple a good looking units you got there. And - everyone said I was going to blow myself up !!! I think I'll let you do it first. As for the blowtorch having 2 jets (orfaces) - >From my experience - One is for Gasoline - One is for Kerosene but don't know which.. Check out some sites: http://members.aol.com/blotorches/ http://people.ne.mediaone.net/wasser/NEMES/BlowTorch.html http://www.syrupmakers.com/temp/blowtorch.jpg http://www.syrupmakers.com/temp/blowtorch2.jpg www.blowtorch.net Good Luck. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Nov 4 06:32:08 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:32:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic : NOW Election info In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041104093122.02336650@mail.alltel.net> Thanks Mike, I knew it must have been someone with an "R" after his name! Dave At 09:19 AM 11/4/2004, you wrote: >>PPS, Did you know that he is the first president in a LONG TIME to get >>over 50% of the vote? (Think that Reagan was the last one.) > >Dave, > >Bush 41 was the last one in 1988 (53%). Here is an interesting site with >presidential election results all the way back to 1789. > >OOOOPS! >http://uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT/ >-- >____________________ >Michael Tucker >Midway, Kentucky, USA >mtucker at uky.edu >____________________ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Nov 4 13:32:36 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:32:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner References: Message-ID: I've never seen the first one, Tom. The second one is similiar to mine....both very nice. Thanks for taking the time! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner > Rick, > > Here are two pictures of my heaters. Both operate off white gas. One is > for > melting babbit and the second is a very unusual soldering iron heater that > will heat two or more irons at a time. Never seen one like it before > acquiring > it at an auction a few weeks ago. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/iron%20heater.jpg > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/babbit%20heater.jpg > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Nov 4 14:41:15 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:41:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] How much gap Message-ID: Howdy again; Well the "T" Bar handle has been turned on the lathe and installed on the Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit's truck tongue. She's almost done..whew!! Question please; When the exhaust valve is fully open, how much overlap/gap should there be between the two "latches?" The cam sure seems to hit the push bar roller hard and it's very noticeable. I would guess just enough gap so it does latch up and no more, but that's a guess. Help RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 4 17:39:48 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:39:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart Message-ID: <006601c4c2d8$5ff961c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Can anyone point me to a good source for information on how to make wagon wheels? I want to make a set for a cart I am going to build, I will need them to be smaller that a standard wheel but capable of carrying the weight of the engine? From galoway4 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 4 11:33:43 2004 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:33:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic References: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <6.1.2.0.0.20041104083411.0233b5a0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <002901c4c2a5$33c7c8e0$82d55a42@jake> Well the vote was great. Only 51% with I.Q. of 80 or less Arthur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Very little traffic > >>I got to thinking that it has been slow, though I was busy whatching the >>returns last night, iy seems I have only recieved 5 messages from SEL for >>the last two days, whats up ? are we alone or is it just slow? >>Ted Brookover > > Hi Ted, > I can't speak for others, but I've been out shooting my guns in > the air, drinking beer, and just generally celebrating the loss of that > FRENCH looking candidate for president of our great country! > Dave > PS, Did you know that "W" got the MOST votes EVER cast for a President of > the USA? (About 4,000,000 more than that FRENCH looking guy!) > PPS, Did you know that he is the first president in a LONG TIME to get > over 50% of the vote? (Think that Reagan was the last one.) > PPPS, I just knew that the American public was not as stupid as the polls > were showing! > PPPPS, I'm also in the process of restoring a United States Air Compressor > built in Cleveland OH. (1930/40's?) S/N 655 SC--any idea how I can get an > exact date on it? > PPPPPS, Sorry this went to the List, I meant it to go to Ted directly, but > pushed the "send" button before I remembered to change the address! > PPPPPPS, This is the last "PS" > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Nov 4 22:58:15 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 06:58:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Military engine/genny manual wanted in the USA Message-ID: <7v8mo0h19k1k77r44f0l9p5hftvhpuk6h9@4ax.com> I had a request for help from Jim in the USA for a military genset manual TM5-2805-208, engine is a Wisconsin 2-cylinder. Jim's email address is: jaycay28 at wmconnect.com If anyone can assist, please let me know or contact Jim directly please. Peter From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Thu Nov 4 23:14:42 2004 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 18:14:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Ignitor? Message-ID: <001701c4c307$205930c0$57741dd3@fred> Can anyone tell me where I can buy a set of Ignitor points and springs for a 1H.P. Mogul ? Brian in Melbourne. From cgandree at mchsi.com Fri Nov 5 04:26:35 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 12:26:35 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic Message-ID: <110520041226.22172.6514@mchsi.com> Dave, Was having the same celebration around here....but did you and your local boys do anything about that damned "prohibitional policy" on buying beer at the local gas station like most normal states enjoy??????? Curt > > >I got to thinking that it has been slow, though I was busy whatching the > >returns last night, iy seems I have only recieved 5 messages from SEL for > >the last two days, whats up ? are we alone or is it just slow? > >Ted Brookover > > Hi Ted, > I can't speak for others, but I've been out shooting my guns in > the air, drinking beer, and just generally celebrating the loss of that > FRENCH looking candidate for president of our great country! > Dave > PS, Did you know that "W" got the MOST votes EVER cast for a President of > the USA? (About 4,000,000 more than that FRENCH looking guy!) > PPS, Did you know that he is the first president in a LONG TIME to get over > 50% of the vote? (Think that Reagan was the last one.) > PPPS, I just knew that the American public was not as stupid as the polls > were showing! > PPPPS, I'm also in the process of restoring a United States Air Compressor > built in Cleveland OH. (1930/40's?) S/N 655 SC--any idea how I can get an > exact date on it? > PPPPPS, Sorry this went to the List, I meant it to go to Ted directly, but > pushed the "send" button before I remembered to change the address! > PPPPPPS, This is the last "PS" > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Nov 4 18:40:22 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:40:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Birmingham BKB England AC Generator Message-ID: <002a01c4c2e0$cc6b1850$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Forwarded message. Please contact directly if you can help. Thanks, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenn George To: transteck at earthlink.net Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 1:08 PM Subject: Birmingham BKB England AC Generator We came across your site on the internet. We are looking for some information on a power plant manufactured by Birmingham BKB England. The serial number on the generator is 61249/9 and the plant number is 106470/001/PB. The specific information we require is the schematic/electrical wiring diagram and the specification plate information for the generator. Maybe a manual might be available for the generator. Information on the engine (Number is 3303095ST2C06) is easily available, however no one seems to be able to help with the generator aspect of it. We'll appreciate any assistance. From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Fri Nov 5 14:07:26 2004 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:07:26 EST Subject: [SEL] My Mail Stopped!! Message-ID: <1e.37b7e047.2ebd539e@aol.com> Hi Spencer, My mail from the SEL just stopped.......got any ideas? Thanks in advance, (just in case you are able to perform your magic!) WinkAndGinger at aol.com Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV Members of W.A.P.A, (Western Antique Power Associates) The older the violin....the sweeter the music! From galoway4 at earthlink.net Fri Nov 5 16:01:49 2004 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 18:01:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <000801c4c393$d26a30c0$28da5a42@jake> From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Nov 5 19:05:29 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:05:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Sort of OT: Odd iron on building In-Reply-To: <418A23E1.9060602@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200411060305.iA635Piw015268@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Curt, The front section of the building has long ago been demolished. The side wall (which is in the picture) once proudly said Ronaldson Bros & Tippett but the Tippett part of the wall is gone. I think all that is holding the rest of the building up is its reputation as the structure seems to be in a bad way :( Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Patrick, Structural beam (post) spacing? Hanging vertical would have meant having to install structure between the posts to suppost the joint. Just a guess. Nice picture with your engine. Just curious why the Tippett name is not on the building too? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC curt at imc-group.com From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Nov 5 19:25:06 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:25:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] United States Air Compressor Date! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041104083411.0233b5a0@mail.alltel.net> References: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <6.1.2.0.0.20041104083411.0233b5a0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041105220733.02185b48@mail.alltel.net> >PPPPS, I'm also in the process of restoring a United States Air Compressor >built in Cleveland OH. (1930/40's?) S/N 655 SC--any idea how I can get an >exact date on it? Tonight while readying the air tank for this compressor for paint, I came across a tag on it. The tag read: Air-Tic Steel Tank Designed and Tested For 200 pounds Working Pressure Pittsburgh, PA 1926 The "200" and the "1926" were stamped into the tag. This leads me to believe that the compressor (S/N 655 SC) was built in about 1926. Dave PS, Yes it is "Air-Tic" not Air-Tec! From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 5 20:06:24 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 22:06:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart References: <006601c4c2d8$5ff961c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <012f01c4c3b5$fd77cbc0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Wow, this message was posted yesterday at 7:39 PM and just now reached the SEL, Bin Laden insurgents must have gotten a hold of it. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:39 PM Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart Can anyone point me to a good source for information on how to make wagon wheels? I want to make a set for a cart I am going to build, I will need them to be smaller that a standard wheel but capable of carrying the weight of the engine? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Nov 5 20:35:50 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 20:35:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart Message-ID: <20041105.203551.804.5.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Paul. Does this do any good? http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/cart/ Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:39:48 -0600 writes: > Can anyone point me to a good source for information on how to make > wagon wheels? I want to make a set for a cart I am going to build, I > will need them to be smaller that a standard wheel but capable of > carrying the weight of the engine? > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From christison at coastalnet.com Fri Nov 5 19:54:50 2004 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 22:54:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart Message-ID: <410-22004116635450906@coastalnet.com> Paul, Here are a couple of sites that might help. http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold/wheels/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/cart/ Both pages are by list members. Take care. Ken > [Original Message] > From: > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 11/5/2004 10:49:57 PM > Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart > > Can anyone point me to a good source for information on how to make wagon wheels? I want to make a set for a cart I am going to build, I will need them to be smaller that a standard wheel but capable of carrying the weight of the engine? From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sat Nov 6 01:20:42 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:20:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Bush Mill Railway Auction (includes engines & sawmill) in Tassie Message-ID: <418C976A.4000806@steamengine.com.au> It is a pity this little railway and sawmill has closed down. Might be interesting to some list members... http://www.statewideauctions.com.au/5165.html -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From oldengin at udata.com Sat Nov 6 02:15:11 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 05:15:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] BIG HELP In-Reply-To: <012f01c4c3b5$fd77cbc0$210110ac@PaulMaples> References: <006601c4c2d8$5ff961c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <012f01c4c3b5$fd77cbc0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <418CA42F.9070905@udata.com> I have a big help question here I need some way to load a 18,000 lb chunk of steel??? Anyone near Fostoria Ohio that could help?? More if any response -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Nov 6 06:03:56 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:03:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] BIG HELP In-Reply-To: <418CA42F.9070905@udata.com> References: <006601c4c2d8$5ff961c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <012f01c4c3b5$fd77cbc0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <418CA42F.9070905@udata.com> Message-ID: SO Leroy, does this hunk of steel have flywheels? See ya, Arnie On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Leroy C. wrote: > I have a big help question here I need some way to load a 18,000 lb > chunk of steel??? Anyone near Fostoria Ohio that could help?? More if > any response From alanb2 at webtv.net Fri Nov 5 21:58:56 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 00:58:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart In-Reply-To: 's message of Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:39:48 -0600 Message-ID: <17061-418C6820-1871@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net> Hi Paul, Go to your local scrapy. (short for scrap yard) and look for some heavy walled pipe. Be sure to look in the "short steel" pile. The shorter pieces are easier to handle. Find some pipe that matches the size you want. Also find some flat steel to make the spokes from. Now,,,, just cut some rings off the pipe, grab some small pipe with a bore that matches the axle size you want. Cut five or size small pieces of the flat steel for each wheel and make them into spokes. Now start welding. Alan Bowen ~~~~Paul Maples wrote~~~~ Can anyone point me to a good source for information on how to make wagon wheels? I want to make a set for a cart I am going to build, I will need them to be smaller that a standard wheel but capable of carrying the weight of the engine? From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sat Nov 6 06:26:55 2004 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 06:26:55 -0800 Subject: [SEL] BIG HELP References: <006601c4c2d8$5ff961c0$210110ac@PaulMaples><012f01c4c3b5$fd77cbc0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <418CA42F.9070905@udata.com> Message-ID: <006001c4c40c$ac6f3f40$57bb2304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> OK Leroy tell us what you have that weighs 18,000 lbs. Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy C." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 2:15 AM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [SEL] BIG HELP > I have a big help question here I need some way to load a 18,000 lb > chunk of steel??? Anyone near Fostoria Ohio that could help?? More if > any response > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From shop at cccomm.net Sat Nov 6 07:04:10 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 07:04:10 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Noisy Gears Message-ID: <005f01c4c411$dfce64b0$6501a8c0@Shop> I've been bothered by the noise made by the timing and mag gear noise while running my engines and came up with an inspiration for you folks. My hay bailer has huge bull gears that operate the plunger and they require a heavy lubricant twice a day when in operation. Last year the Freeman dealer gave me hell because I was using cheap after market stuff and insisted I use their product. I saw an immense difference immediately. What this stuff does is that it coats the gears and in the open air it solidifies to a point that it is still somewhat flexible, yet fills all the gaps and worn areas between the teeth. The noise factor of when the teeth mesh goes from loud to almost zero. I am using it on my small engines and with great success. The product is Bull Gear Grease made by J. A. Freeman & Sons, Inc. Part number F7626. Just thought I'd share Dave From oldengin at udata.com Sat Nov 6 07:08:06 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 10:08:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] BIG HELP In-Reply-To: <006001c4c40c$ac6f3f40$57bb2304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <006601c4c2d8$5ff961c0$210110ac@PaulMaples><012f01c4c3b5$fd77cbc0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <418CA42F.9070905@udata.com> <006001c4c40c$ac6f3f40$57bb2304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <418CE8D6.6070909@udata.com> Jim and Diane wrote: >OK Leroy tell us what you have that weighs 18,000 lbs. > > Ok here is the deal...... Friday I met with a friend, out of stater, to load a piece of history. This chunk is sitting at an old factory in Fostoria Ohio and was headed for the scrap pile, had I not talked my friend in purchasing it. He, my friend, arrived at 11:00 am and had with him a trailer rated at 15,000 lbs, my guess was only 4 ton and Ed ( my brother) had guessed it at 5-6 ton range. It took three fork lifts all they had to raise this into the air and allow the trailer to go under it, everything went well. As the forklifts lowered this onto the trailer it was soon, QUICKLY!, noted that it ain't going to work. The trailer tires went down so low you could not read the writing on them. I have never seen a tire blow out from an overload but trust me these had to be close!!! We had 9 inches to possibly move this item forward on the trailer and wanted to move it 10 inches over to be dead middle and as all three lifts got themselves into proper position, under my guidance, and started to lift, the timbers it was sitting on broke through the trailer deck! She rocked hard and I thought we was going to lose the load but it came to a rest with only a few broken trailer plank, and my wet pants, and now it was decided that if we did reload it the trailer would not haul it out of state! The company, National Carbon, now want no part of a reload attempt and have given us another week or it is cut up and off to the junk man!!! Here is the deal "I" have invested my friend money into something "I" talked him into and now we can not move it. "I" might have a lead on a low boy, unsure what it will cost per mile, but still no way to move it ( pick it up and load it). My friend, my brother , and myself have arrived at a total, guess, weight of 18,000 pounds! We have removed some of the smaller items to lessen the load. Any and all ideas are welcome and a big crane would be better yet! Any one with some HELP????????? ps my friend is on list so be careful what you say. pss over a six hour trip one way and my friend went home empty handed. psss I still swear that cast iron had 17 ounces in each pound pssss my brother missed all the action but loved my wet pants! psssss did I tell you what this is??? -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 6 07:27:39 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:27:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart References: <20041105.203551.804.5.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <001f01c4c415$28efd4a0$210110ac@PaulMaples> This is great information Ron and I have bookmarked it but I want to make wooden spoke wagon wheels for the cart. However, with this information I can also now make steel wheels. Thanks a lot. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart > Hi Paul. Does this do any good? > http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/cart/ > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > > On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:39:48 -0600 writes: From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 6 07:10:41 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:10:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: How much gap References: Message-ID: <008c01c4c412$c8584520$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> The cam sure seems to hit the push bar roller > hard and it's very noticeable. I would guess just enough gap so it does > latch up and no more, but that's a guess. And there it is in a nutshell ,the fine art of coon tuning . Aside from gear noise , excessive lash at the detent and cam give you a clunking noise . You want it to move it just enough to release it . chuck? From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 6 07:29:29 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:29:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart References: <410-22004116635450906@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <002401c4c415$6a3e6d90$210110ac@PaulMaples> Thanks Ken, I can use this info but once again guys I am wanting to build wooden spoke wooden wheels for the cart, miniaturized wooden wagon wheels. I certainly appreciate all of the good information coming in and I can use it all. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 9:54 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart > Paul, > > Here are a couple of sites that might help. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold/wheels/ > http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/cart/ > > Both pages are by list members. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 6 07:35:58 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:35:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Noisy Gears References: <005f01c4c411$dfce64b0$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <005f01c4c416$525e4190$210110ac@PaulMaples> Sounds like a good idea Dave. I use to repair electronic calculators and the early brands had a very noisy printer in them caused by the small gearing. I took some STP and added some Talcum Powder to it and this made a great lubricant that would adhere to the teeth and could not be thrown off. I never tried it on larger gears but sure worked on the small gears to quieten them down. I use to get at least a dozen printers in a week to the repair shop with complaints that they were noisy, applied the STP/Talcum Powder mixture and no more noise. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 9:04 AM Subject: [SEL] Noisy Gears I've been bothered by the noise made by the timing and mag gear noise while running my engines and came up with an inspiration for you folks. My hay bailer has huge bull gears that operate the plunger and they require a heavy lubricant twice a day when in operation. Last year the Freeman dealer gave me hell because I was using cheap after market stuff and insisted I use their product. I saw an immense difference immediately. What this stuff does is that it coats the gears and in the open air it solidifies to a point that it is still somewhat flexible, yet fills all the gaps and worn areas between the teeth. The noise factor of when the teeth mesh goes from loud to almost zero. I am using it on my small engines and with great success. The product is Bull Gear Grease made by J. A. Freeman & Sons, Inc. Part number F7626. Just thought I'd share Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sat Nov 6 07:38:56 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:38:56 EST Subject: [SEL] Re: How much gap Message-ID: <74.4612725e.2ebe4a10@aol.com> In a message dated 11/6/2004 10:34:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, kerogas at sbcglobal.net writes: And there it is in a nutshell ,the fine art of coon tuning Hi Chuck, Is this a technical term? Are there texts and theories and charts and graphs and all? There are, and have been, variations of rigging and engineering, but coon tuning is new one for me. Could you please go into some depth with a full description? Regards, Ron Carroll Nokesville, Virginia(at the moment) and/or Clearmont, Missouri (probably by Tuesday) From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Nov 6 07:54:05 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:54:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] BIG HELP In-Reply-To: <418CE8D6.6070909@udata.com> References: <006601c4c2d8$5ff961c0$210110ac@PaulMaples><012f01c4c3b5$fd77cbc0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <418CA42F.9070905@udata.com> <006001c4c40c$ac6f3f40$57bb2304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <418CE8D6.6070909@udata.com> Message-ID: Hiya Leroy, Check with Rick Rowlands for advice on obtaining low-cost or free lifting, rigging, and hauling services. It does help if the heavy chunk of iron is historically significant. It helps even more if the NAME on the iron matches the family of a prominant local citizen. 8-)) On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Leroy C. wrote: > to load a piece of history. This chunk is sitting at an old > factory in Fostoria Ohio and was headed for the scrap pile > and a big crane would be better yet! Any one with some > HELP????????? > psssss did I tell you what this is??? NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! See ya, Arnie PS - Pictures would be nice. PPS - A video would be even better. PPPS - But NOT of your wet pants. 8-)) Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Nov 6 09:07:27 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:07:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: How much gap References: <008c01c4c412$c8584520$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: Thank you Chuck!! That confirms my suspicions. Apparently the latch has been filed on a bunch over the last 90 years. Will build a new one. Take Care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 8:10 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: How much gap > > The cam sure seems to hit the push bar roller > > hard and it's very noticeable. I would guess just enough gap so it does > > latch up and no more, but that's a guess. > > > > And there it is in a nutshell ,the fine art of coon tuning . Aside from > gear noise , excessive > lash at the detent and cam give you a clunking noise . You want it to move > it just enough to > release it . > > > chuck? > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Nov 6 09:17:48 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:17:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] BIG HELP References: <006601c4c2d8$5ff961c0$210110ac@PaulMaples><012f01c4c3b5$fd77cbc0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <418CA42F.9070905@udata.com><006001c4c40c$ac6f3f40$57bb2304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <418CE8D6.6070909@udata.com> Message-ID: Leroy, I mentioned this several years ago when 7 monsters needed new homes. If you have military such as the Army National Guard or Army Reserve...transportation or tank outfit resonably close, they are public/history help oriented. Huge cranes, lowboys, tank recovery, vehicles will definetly do the job. They get the training and you get the reward. Everyone wins. Suggest you give your Governor and the local AG (State Adjutant General) a call. Good Luck RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy C." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] BIG HELP > Jim and Diane wrote: > > >OK Leroy tell us what you have that weighs 18,000 lbs. > > > > > > Ok here is the deal...... Friday I met with a friend, out of > stater, to load a piece of history. This chunk is sitting at an old > factory in Fostoria Ohio and was headed for the scrap pile, had I not > talked my friend in purchasing it. He, my friend, arrived at 11:00 am > and had with him a trailer rated at 15,000 lbs, my guess was only 4 ton > and Ed ( my brother) had guessed it at 5-6 ton range. It took three fork > lifts all they had to raise this into the air and allow the trailer to > go under it, everything went well. As the forklifts lowered this onto > the trailer it was soon, QUICKLY!, noted that it ain't going to work. > The trailer tires went down so low you could not read the writing on > them. I have never seen a tire blow out from an overload but trust me > these had to be close!!! We had 9 inches to possibly move this item > forward on the trailer and wanted to move it 10 inches over to be dead > middle and as all three lifts got themselves into proper position, under > my guidance, and started to lift, the timbers it was sitting on broke > through the trailer deck! She rocked hard and I thought we was going to > lose the load but it came to a rest with only a few broken trailer > plank, and my wet pants, and now it was decided that if we did reload it > the trailer would not haul it out of state! The company, National > Carbon, now want no part of a reload attempt and have given us another > week or it is cut up and off to the junk man!!! > > Here is the deal "I" have invested my friend money into something "I" > talked him into and now we can not move it. "I" might have a lead on a > low boy, unsure what it will cost per mile, but still no way to move it > ( pick it up and load it). My friend, my brother , and myself have > arrived at a total, guess, weight of 18,000 pounds! We have removed > some of the smaller items to lessen the load. Any and all ideas are > welcome and a big crane would be better yet! Any one with some > HELP????????? > ps my friend is on list so be careful what you say. > pss over a six hour trip one way and my friend went home empty handed. > psss I still swear that cast iron had 17 ounces in each pound > pssss my brother missed all the action but loved my wet pants! > psssss did I tell you what this is??? > -- > > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Nov 6 09:25:14 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:25:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Military engine/genny manual wanted in the USA References: <7v8mo0h19k1k77r44f0l9p5hftvhpuk6h9@4ax.com> Message-ID: www.logsa.army.mil/etms/find_etm.cfm is the website for downloading Technical Manuals (TM's) if they're in the database. We used this on Glenn Wilson's wrecker. Also works for Parts Manuals and Lube Orders. I believe it's down on weekends..will check on Monday. I've Cc'd jaycay28. Hope it works for him. RickinMt. Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 11:58 PM Subject: [SEL] Military engine/genny manual wanted in the USA > I had a request for help from Jim in the USA for a military genset manual > TM5-2805-208, engine is a Wisconsin 2-cylinder. > > Jim's email address is: jaycay28 at wmconnect.com > > If anyone can assist, please let me know or contact Jim directly please. > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BillMil357 at aol.com Sat Nov 6 09:54:00 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:54:00 EST Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart Message-ID: Hey Men I thought wooden wagon wheels was what my OLE buddy Paul was wanting to make so now he is going to become a Wheelright (maker of wood wheels) among all the other trades that he has conquered Ha Ha. as a friend he is tops. See ya, Bill Miller. From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Nov 6 10:42:39 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:42:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Military engine/genny manual wanted in the USA In-Reply-To: References: <7v8mo0h19k1k77r44f0l9p5hftvhpuk6h9@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:25:14 -0700, you wrote: >www.logsa.army.mil/etms/find_etm.cfm is the website for downloading >Technical Manuals (TM's) if they're in the database. We used this on Glenn >Wilson's wrecker. Also works for Parts Manuals and Lube Orders. > > I believe it's down on weekends..will check on Monday. > >I've Cc'd jaycay28. > >Hope it works for him. > >RickinMt. >Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thank you kindly :-)) Peter From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Nov 6 10:51:14 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:51:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fred Dibnah Message-ID: Regret to pass on the news that Fred Dibnah died today of cancer. He has been unwell for a year, but was taken more seriously ill in September. I think Arnie Fero met him on one of his trips over here. The BBC website has an obituary: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3623347.stm Peter From BillMil357 at aol.com Sat Nov 6 10:56:39 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:56:39 EST Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart Message-ID: Hey Paul, see if you can get any info. from the links below, http://www.rptrading.biz/ http://www.jakesctp.com/ http://www.customwagons.com/ See ya, Bill Miller. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Nov 6 11:32:22 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:32:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Fred Dibnah In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Peter, Bummer. Fred was quite a character. I'm glad that I did get to meet him. At some point I need to get the set of his industrial heritage programs. I've seen a couple with Jim & Dolly and they were facinating. I also got to meet his third wife; another character. As Dave likes to say "They're still making wives, but they've stopped making the old iron." The bit that I'll remember most about Fred was the impish twinkle in his eye as he described sinking that backyard mineshaft without any council permits or permission. My kinda bloke. 8-)) http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/yank1.htm See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Peter A Forbes wrote: > Regret to pass on the news that Fred Dibnah died today of cancer. He has been > unwell for a year, but was taken more seriously ill in September. > > I think Arnie Fero met him on one of his trips over here. > > The BBC website has an obituary: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3623347.stm > > Peter From FRM8198 at aol.com Sat Nov 6 11:54:32 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:54:32 EST Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart Message-ID: <65.37a74d2a.2ebe85f8@aol.com> Here is an interesting wheelwright site Wheelwright tools Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Sat Nov 6 12:33:11 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:33:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] BIG HELP Message-ID: <002a01c4c43f$d8a51de0$69680b42@gnarmstrong> LEROY, Tractors used in hauling lowboys often have a winch in order to load disabled equipment for repair. Check with a couple of large contractors or a local large equip. dealer for availability--if they cannot help they prob. can direct you to a hauler. You can move tremendous loads by winching, and slowly as well, by adding parts to you line. Good Luck. George -----Original Message----- From: Leroy C. To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Saturday, November 06, 2004 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] BIG HELP >Jim and Diane wrote: > >>OK Leroy tell us what you have that weighs 18,000 lbs. >> >> > >Ok here is the deal...... Friday I met with a friend, out of >stater, to load a piece of history. This chunk is sitting at an old >factory in Fostoria Ohio and was headed for the scrap pile, had I not >talked my friend in purchasing it. He, my friend, arrived at 11:00 am >and had with him a trailer rated at 15,000 lbs, my guess was only 4 ton >and Ed ( my brother) had guessed it at 5-6 ton range. It took three fork >lifts all they had to raise this into the air and allow the trailer to >go under it, everything went well. As the forklifts lowered this onto >the trailer it was soon, QUICKLY!, noted that it ain't going to work. >The trailer tires went down so low you could not read the writing on >them. I have never seen a tire blow out from an overload but trust me >these had to be close!!! We had 9 inches to possibly move this item >forward on the trailer and wanted to move it 10 inches over to be dead >middle and as all three lifts got themselves into proper position, under >my guidance, and started to lift, the timbers it was sitting on broke >through the trailer deck! She rocked hard and I thought we was going to >lose the load but it came to a rest with only a few broken trailer >plank, and my wet pants, and now it was decided that if we did reload it >the trailer would not haul it out of state! The company, National >Carbon, now want no part of a reload attempt and have given us another >week or it is cut up and off to the junk man!!! > >Here is the deal "I" have invested my friend money into something "I" >talked him into and now we can not move it. "I" might have a lead on a >low boy, unsure what it will cost per mile, but still no way to move it >( pick it up and load it). My friend, my brother , and myself have >arrived at a total, guess, weight of 18,000 pounds! We have removed >some of the smaller items to lessen the load. Any and all ideas are >welcome and a big crane would be better yet! Any one with some >HELP????????? >ps my friend is on list so be careful what you say. >pss over a six hour trip one way and my friend went home empty handed. >psss I still swear that cast iron had 17 ounces in each pound >pssss my brother missed all the action but loved my wet pants! >psssss did I tell you what this is??? >-- > > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > >"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > >better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Nov 6 12:53:27 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:53:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fred Dibnah In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48eqo01ilhq8n9vfq87eroslflkg4bshun@4ax.com> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:32:22 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >Hi Peter, > >Bummer. Fred was quite a character. I'm glad that I did get to meet him. >At some point I need to get the set of his industrial heritage programs. >I've seen a couple with Jim & Dolly and they were facinating. I also got >to meet his third wife; another character. As Dave likes to say "They're >still making wives, but they've stopped making the old iron." The bit >that I'll remember most about Fred was the impish twinkle in his eye as he >described sinking that backyard mineshaft without any council permits or >permission. My kinda bloke. 8-)) >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/yank1.htm > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero He was a regular at the Rushden Cavalcade as you know, and will be missed by many old iron and hot fog enthusiasts. Many of the programmes that he nade will be released on DVD, so get an all-region DVD player or get a Region 1 that is hackable and we'll give you a shout when they are available. We bought a Region 1 DVD player last year, having first checked the 'net to see if it was in fact 'convertible to 'any region'. It was, and also had PAL output and 120/240 auto-switching PSU, you had to read the tech manual! There are plenty of hacks available for DVD players. Peter From edstoller at earthlink.net Sat Nov 6 14:27:57 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:27:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic References: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo><6.1.2.0.0.20041104083411.0233b5a0@mail.alltel.net> <002901c4c2a5$33c7c8e0$82d55a42@jake> Message-ID: <008501c4c44f$dfbd4480$94d7f504@x8h7l9> That should be I.Q. of 80 or more and a sence or values to boot. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Buchanan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Very little traffic > Well the vote was great. Only 51% with I.Q. of 80 or less > > Arthur > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:47 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Very little traffic > > > > > >>I got to thinking that it has been slow, though I was busy whatching the > >>returns last night, iy seems I have only recieved 5 messages from SEL for > >>the last two days, whats up ? are we alone or is it just slow? > >>Ted Brookover > > > > Hi Ted, > > I can't speak for others, but I've been out shooting my guns in > > the air, drinking beer, and just generally celebrating the loss of that > > FRENCH looking candidate for president of our great country! > > Dave > > PS, Did you know that "W" got the MOST votes EVER cast for a President of > > the USA? (About 4,000,000 more than that FRENCH looking guy!) > > PPS, Did you know that he is the first president in a LONG TIME to get > > over 50% of the vote? (Think that Reagan was the last one.) > > PPPS, I just knew that the American public was not as stupid as the polls > > were showing! > > PPPPS, I'm also in the process of restoring a United States Air Compressor > > built in Cleveland OH. (1930/40's?) S/N 655 SC--any idea how I can get an > > exact date on it? > > PPPPPS, Sorry this went to the List, I meant it to go to Ted directly, but > > pushed the "send" button before I remembered to change the address! > > PPPPPPS, This is the last "PS" > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 6 14:55:53 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:55:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: How much gap References: <74.4612725e.2ebe4a10@aol.com> Message-ID: <011701c4c453$c5932120$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Is this a technical term? Are there texts and theories and charts and graphs and all? Could you please go into some depth with a full>>>> http://www.chem.mtu.edu/~tbco/cm416/cctune.html why yes , there is Ron , knock yerself out . I prefer my math with a pien . > There are, and have been, variations of rigging and engineering, but coon > tuning is new one for me. Its about going slow , and doing so as silently as possible . Ninja stuff I wont go in depth but , There's running O-rings Vs piston rings , timing adjustments to compensate , some engines require you to reduce air inlet or run the choke slightly if equipped . Witness the halfbreeds with head spacers . Rick brought up the roller to cam / and latch clearances , which are really fun to tackle Improper or worn and buzzing gear mesh is another noisy problem . If you have ever been around a pet raccoon their constantly probing , inquisitive little human fingers behave similarly to a "coon tuner" rummaging a flatbed trailer full of parts .Coon tuning is merely a more publicly utterable form of another very similar oath . BTW Ron Stuck the Texas Seal back on a local fuzzes cheaply made badge about an hour ago with Goop ! Chuck? From jhcullom at adelphia.net Sat Nov 6 15:14:40 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:14:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How much gap References: Message-ID: <01a601c4c456$649403f0$6401a8c0@office> Ummm, I'm not quite following you............are you talking about the latch on the pushrod? I went on a bike trip yesterday, 43 miles long on a bicycle. I've got a recumbent bike, the kind you sit back in.....boy are my knees and legs sore...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" > When the exhaust valve is fully open, how much overlap/gap should there > be between the two "latches?" The cam sure seems to hit the push bar > roller hard and it's very noticeable. I would guess just enough gap so it > does latch up and no more, but that's a guess. From edstoller at earthlink.net Sat Nov 6 17:50:05 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:50:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT, WWI Machine Gun Cart Message-ID: <00d801c4c46c$1ce99a40$94d7f504@x8h7l9> I am helping a widow clean out a barn and there is a Machine Gun Cart from World War I with a brass tag that dates it to 1917. It doesn't have any wheels or machine gun but it is mostly wood in good condition. I hate to see it go into the dumpster. Does anyone know of someone who would be interested in it? Since it is not old iron I thought it off topic; plus it is horse drawn I think. I already picked up the engines. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Nov 6 18:25:16 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:25:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT, WWI Machine Gun Cart In-Reply-To: <00d801c4c46c$1ce99a40$94d7f504@x8h7l9> References: <00d801c4c46c$1ce99a40$94d7f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <418D878C.2070300@scrtc.com> Ed, I live near the Patton Museum at Ft. Knox and they have an extensive collection of WWI artifacts. A guy who lives near me is the curator. I can try to contact him to see if its something they would want. Don't throw it away as I'm sure someone can find some historic value in it. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ED wrote: >I am helping a widow clean out a barn and there is a Machine Gun Cart from World War I with a brass tag that dates it to 1917. It doesn't have any wheels or machine gun but it is mostly wood in good condition. I hate to see it go into the dumpster. Does anyone know of someone who would be interested in it? Since it is not old iron I thought it off topic; plus it is horse drawn I think. I already picked up the engines. > >Ed Stoller >New Fairfield, CT > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sat Nov 6 19:01:20 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:01:20 EST Subject: [SEL] Re: How much gap, now, secrets of Goop the glue, not the hand cleaner Message-ID: <196.32496669.2ebeea00@aol.com> Hi Chuck, Thanks for the Coon Tuning info. I am sure it will come in handy. Goop is useful stuff. I glued the aluminum fender back on my tandem axle cargo trailer using Goop just today. It had started to pull off somewhere in Indiana, and I had duct taped it in place. The Goop is easier to use than drilling out and replacing the pop rivets or putting in new pop rivets. Ron PS: I don't think I have ever seen anyone repair an officer's badge with Goop. That's a new use. PPS: Goop is the secret weapon for when JB Weld just won't do the trick. In a message dated 11/6/2004 6:14:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, kerogas at sbcglobal.net writes: BTW Ron Stuck the Texas Seal back on a local fuzzes cheaply made badge about an hour ago with Goop ! From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Sat Nov 6 20:12:51 2004 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:12:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart References: <006601c4c2d8$5ff961c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <002701c4c480$0c857f70$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> Hi Paul! There was a good section in an older series of books called "The Foxfire Book", which was a publication of a research project documenting old time "folk skills", lore, and such. There are several volumes and they all make fascinating reading. They were in paperback and came out in the 1970's. cabin building, iron smelting to gunsmithing and everything in between, processing wool, making a grist mill, soapmaking, and tons more. You will probably need to look for them in a used bookstore, as I do not think they are in print any longer. I'll check mine and see if I can tell you which one has the wheel article. Best Regards; Jim Mackessy Syracuse, New York, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 8:39 PM Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart Can anyone point me to a good source for information on how to make wagon wheels? I want to make a set for a cart I am going to build, I will need them to be smaller that a standard wheel but capable of carrying the weight of the engine? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Nov 6 20:19:51 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:19:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How much gap In-Reply-To: <01a601c4c456$649403f0$6401a8c0@office> References: <01a601c4c456$649403f0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <4510FA77-3074-11D9-B397-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > I went on a bike trip yesterday, 43 miles long on a bicycle. I've got > a recumbent bike, the kind you sit back in.....boy are my knees and > legs sore...... I used to have one, a RANS Stratus. I loved that bike! Fellow wanted to buy it right after I tore my arm up, and I sold it to him. That's definitely the way to go, if you want to ride a bike! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Nov 6 20:27:23 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:27:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT, WWI Machine Gun Cart In-Reply-To: <00d801c4c46c$1ce99a40$94d7f504@x8h7l9> References: <00d801c4c46c$1ce99a40$94d7f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <520D70DD-3075-11D9-B397-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Try going to one of these forums: http://milsurpshooter.net/ http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/mb/surplusrifle http://www.gunboards.com/forums/default.asp and put a notice about what you've found on an appropriate board. Somebody'll want it, for sure! John On Nov 6, 2004, at 8:50 PM, ED wrote: > I am helping a widow clean out a barn and there is a Machine Gun Cart > from World War?I with a brass tag that dates it to 1917. It doesn't > have any wheels? or machine gun?but it is mostly wood in good > condition. I hate to see it go into the dumpster. Does anyone know of > someone who would be interested in it? Since it is not old iron I > thought it off topic; plus it is horse drawn I think. I already picked > up the engines. > ? > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > ? > ? > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Nov 6 21:40:24 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:40:24 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT, WWI Machine Gun Cart In-Reply-To: <00d801c4c46c$1ce99a40$94d7f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <200411070540.iA75eQTn099713@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > I am helping a widow clean out a barn and there is a Machine > Gun Cart from World War I with a brass tag that dates it to > 1917. It doesn't have any wheels or machine gun but it is > mostly wood in good condition. I hate to see it go into the > dumpster. Does anyone know of someone who would be interested > in it? Since it is not old iron I thought it off topic; plus > it is horse drawn I think. I already picked up the engines. Ed, this kind of stuff could bring huge bucks from the right gun collector. Do not scrap it. Even if you're not interesting in cashing in, for a gun guy, this could be the equivalent of a missing flywheel to an engineman. From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Nov 6 21:05:59 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:05:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] My Mail Stopped!! References: <1e.37b7e047.2ebd539e@aol.com> Message-ID: <001c01c4c487$79334a10$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Spencer, Same problem here. No SEL for about 24 hours and then it was back up. One of my messages got through, and I keep getting mail on the others about not getting through. I use Earthlink and Wink and Ginger use AOL. Problem on our end or yours? Not complaining cause this is free, but I am curious. There were a couple others with a problem that got to my inbox. Any others with this problem, check in and give your ISP. Maybe Earthlink, AOhell, got on the Gates bandwagon and decided to protect us from ourselves. Time for a new ISP? Sorry Dave. I broke my promise, but when my SEL don't work I get testy and talk a little about computers cause I use one for my mail. Later boys and girls. Time for some zzzz's. Jeff Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 3:07 PM Subject: [SEL] My Mail Stopped!! > Hi Spencer, > My mail from the SEL just stopped.......got any ideas? > Thanks in advance, (just in case you are able to perform your magic!) > WinkAndGinger at aol.com > > Wink & Ginger Thornton, > Yucca Valley Ca., USA > KG6TVW, KG6TVV > Members of W.A.P.A, > (Western Antique Power Associates) > The older the violin....the sweeter the music! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Sun Nov 7 03:35:51 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 22:35:51 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] re: Noisy Gears Message-ID: <20041107113551.66403.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> G'day Dave Saw your very interesting post. I'll look out for something similiar in Oz and I'll mention it at my next club meeting. Cheers Graham in Oz Message: 4 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 07:04:10 -0800 From: "Dave Ernst" Subject: [SEL] Noisy Gears To: "The SEL email discussion list" Message-ID: <005f01c4c411$dfce64b0$6501a8c0 at Shop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've been bothered by the noise made by the timing and mag gear noise while running my engines and came up with an inspiration for you folks. My hay bailer has huge bull gears that operate the plunger and they require a heavy lubricant twice a day when in operation. Last year the Freeman dealer gave me hell because I was using cheap after market stuff and insisted I use their product. I saw an immense difference immediately. What this stuff does is that it coats the gears and in the open air it solidifies to a point that it is still somewhat flexible, yet fills all the gaps and worn areas between the teeth. The noise factor of when the teeth mesh goes from loud to almost zero. I am using it on my small engines and with great success. The product is Bull Gear Grease made by J. A. Freeman & Sons, Inc. Part number F7626. Just thought I'd share Dave Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sun Nov 7 03:44:51 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 22:44:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] non list memeber Help wanted References: <1e.37b7e047.2ebd539e@aol.com> <001c01c4c487$79334a10$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <002e01c4c4bf$31563f30$1c771fd3@km> G'Day All If anyone can help Gary please contact him direct HaywoodG at transfieldservices.com Hello Kerry have just visited you interesting site. I am based in Wellington NZ. I have a Simplex Model DR marine engine that I am hoping to restore and the fit a "put put" hull around it. The guy I bought it off via internet auction was a little extravagant with the facts about it's condition and Hardman & Hall [NSW} are helping me with parts including a new cylinder block, head and exhaust box. At this stage it looks like the remaining impediment to achieving the restoration is that the Schebler Model D? carburettor is missing. I have the threaded nipple and the throttle valve / flange that screw into the engine block and flanges to the main carburettor body. Roger Prettyman at Hardman & Hall thinks they may have enough parts for me to build up a carburettor but I would prefer to find a complete unit so the valuable spare parts remain available for others to draw on. Are you able to suggest any contacts on your side of the ditch who might have a Schebler Model D available for sale? The throttle valve flange I have has a 3/4 inch BSP female thread which matches to a threaded nipple to connect it to the engine block. The attached photo appear to be a close match to the line drawing in the Simplex owner's handbook so I am assuming this is what I am looking for. Regards Gary Haywood From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Nov 7 08:56:51 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 09:56:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] How much gap References: <01a601c4c456$649403f0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: > Ummm, I'm not quite following you............are you talking about the > latch > on the pushrod? The other or mating latch John. I believe it's been filed on a lot so will build a longer one. This will push and hold the exhaust valve further in also during "Miss."" > > I went on a bike trip yesterday, 43 miles long on a bicycle. I've got a > recumbent bike, the kind you sit back in.....boy are my knees and legs > sore...... Good for you John!! I get tired driving 43 miles :-)) Take care and thanks Rick > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > > When the exhaust valve is fully open, how much overlap/gap should there > > be between the two "latches?" The cam sure seems to hit the push bar > > roller hard and it's very noticeable. I would guess just enough gap so > > it > > does latch up and no more, but that's a guess. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Nov 7 09:04:12 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:04:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner References: <20041104.153955.812.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: That first one is the one I was looking for...Zangobob's blowtorch heaven. Thanks Pip!!!!!!!!! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner > Hi Rick, > > Couple a good looking units you got there. > > And - everyone said I was going to blow myself up !!! > > I think I'll let you do it first. > > As for the blowtorch having 2 jets (orfaces) - > >From my experience - One is for Gasoline - One is for Kerosene but don't > know which.. > Check out some sites: > http://members.aol.com/blotorches/ > http://people.ne.mediaone.net/wasser/NEMES/BlowTorch.html > http://www.syrupmakers.com/temp/blowtorch.jpg > http://www.syrupmakers.com/temp/blowtorch2.jpg > www.blowtorch.net > > Good Luck. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > \/)"(\/ when He was tired." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 6 20:19:28 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:19:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart References: <006601c4c2d8$5ff961c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <002701c4c480$0c857f70$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> Message-ID: <006201c4c480$fd572020$210110ac@PaulMaples> Hello Jim, I have two Foxfire Books that I bought years ago. They are stored away in the closet. If there is some information in them I will go and dig them out. Thanks for the "heads up" Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Mackessy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart > Hi Paul! > There was a good section in an older series of books called "The > Foxfire Book", which was a publication > of a research project documenting old time "folk skills", lore, and such. > There are several volumes and they all > make fascinating reading. They were in paperback and came out in the > 1970's. > cabin building, iron smelting to > gunsmithing and everything in between, processing wool, making a grist > mill, From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 7 11:20:42 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:20:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT, WWI Machine Gun Cart References: <00d801c4c46c$1ce99a40$94d7f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <013901c4c4fe$e01ab340$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> I hate to see it go into the dumpster. Does anyone know of someone who would be interested in it? ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// http://www.blackrivermilitaria.com/pics2.html http://www.blackrivermilitaria.com/pics/kcr99/dr~ed~2.jpg Cats like these , she probably oughta get an appraisal or two or three antique engines are small taters compared to some of the antique NFA stuff . Chuck? From jhcullom at adelphia.net Sun Nov 7 13:36:40 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:36:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How much gap References: <01a601c4c456$649403f0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <009c01c4c511$de631d90$6401a8c0@office> Oh ok, gotcha. The one on mine is adjustable, not yours huh? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" > The other or mating latch John. I believe it's been filed on a lot so > will build a longer one. This will push and hold the exhaust valve > further in also during "Miss."" From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 7 13:47:50 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:47:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT, WWI Machine Gun Cart In-Reply-To: <00d801c4c46c$1ce99a40$94d7f504@x8h7l9> References: <00d801c4c46c$1ce99a40$94d7f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: Hi Ed, If you want to help the widow convert the cart to cash, take a look at the eBay of the firearms world... http://www.gunbroker.com or http://www.auctionarms.com See ya, Arnie On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, ED wrote: > I am helping a widow clean out a barn and there is a Machine Gun Cart > from World War I with a brass tag that dates it to 1917. It doesn't have > any wheels or machine gun but it is mostly wood in good condition. I > hate to see it go into the dumpster. Does anyone know of someone who > would be interested in it? From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 7 13:49:29 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:49:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic In-Reply-To: <110520041226.22172.6514@mchsi.com> References: <110520041226.22172.6514@mchsi.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Was having the same celebration around here....but did you and your local boys > do anything about that damned "prohibitional policy" on buying beer at the > local gas station like most normal states enjoy??????? Hell Curt, we're still working on being able to buy beer on Sunday!! See ya, Arnie From edstoller at earthlink.net Sun Nov 7 17:15:29 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 20:15:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT, WWI Machine Gun Cart References: <00d801c4c46c$1ce99a40$94d7f504@x8h7l9> <013901c4c4fe$e01ab340$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <001a01c4c530$7197eaa0$89b6f504@x8h7l9> Tommy Turner is working on a contact at the Patton Museum at Ft. Knox. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, WWI Machine Gun Cart > I hate to see it go into the dumpster. Does anyone know of someone > who would be interested in it? > ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > http://www.blackrivermilitaria.com/pics2.html > http://www.blackrivermilitaria.com/pics/kcr99/dr~ed~2.jpg > Cats like these , she probably oughta get an appraisal or two or three > antique engines are small taters compared to some of the antique NFA stuff . > > > Chuck? > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Nov 7 21:37:50 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:37:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What is it? Message-ID: <20041107.213751.1508.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Wink Thornton, a fellow list member got a new toy but doesn't know what it is. Some one help him out. It can be seen at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=30882182&f=0 Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Nov 7 23:01:24 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 23:01:24 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What is it? In-Reply-To: <20041107.213751.1508.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <200411080701.iA871XSN090477@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Wink Thornton, a fellow list member got a new toy but doesn't > know what it is. Some one help him out. It can be seen at: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=30882182&f=0 > Thanks. If you look closely, there is a dead giveaway... The decal on the tailgate says "Toyota." No need for thanks. Rob P.S. What's the crazy hunk 'o iron on the trailer? That is WAY cool! From nancydick at keyconn.net Mon Nov 8 03:21:45 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 03:21:45 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart In-Reply-To: <006201c4c480$fd572020$210110ac@PaulMaples> References: <006601c4c2d8$5ff961c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <002701c4c480$0c857f70$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20041108032046.00b4b3c0@mail.keyconn.net> Paul i have the complete set if there is an item you don't have in your two. R Fink PA At 10:19 PM 11/6/2004 -0600, you wrote: >Hello Jim, > >I have two Foxfire Books that I bought years ago. They are stored away in >the closet. If there is some information in them I will go and dig them >out. Thanks for the "heads up" > >Paul > >----- Original Message ----- From: "James Mackessy" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 10:12 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart > > >>Hi Paul! >> There was a good section in an older series of books called "The >>Foxfire Book", which was a publication >>of a research project documenting old time "folk skills", lore, and such. >>There are several volumes and they all >>make fascinating reading. They were in paperback and came out in the 1970's. >>cabin building, iron smelting to >>gunsmithing and everything in between, processing wool, making a grist mill, > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Nov 8 05:04:22 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 06:04:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] How much gap References: <01a601c4c456$649403f0$6401a8c0@office> <009c01c4c511$de631d90$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: No adjustment John. That definetly would be the fix. Thanks Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] How much gap > Oh ok, gotcha. The one on mine is adjustable, not yours huh? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > > The other or mating latch John. I believe it's been filed on a lot so > > will build a longer one. This will push and hold the exhaust valve > > further in also during "Miss."" > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 8 05:44:40 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 07:44:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart References: <006601c4c2d8$5ff961c0$210110ac@PaulMaples><002701c4c480$0c857f70$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> <4.2.0.58.20041108032046.00b4b3c0@mail.keyconn.net> Message-ID: <002401c4c599$1a98dbb0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Thanks Richard I had volume #2 and #6 and Volume #2 had the wagon wheel article in it. I appreciate your response. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart > Paul i have the complete set if there is an item you don't have in your > two. > R Fink > PA > From wrl at gwltd.com Mon Nov 8 05:35:14 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 07:35:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What is it? References: <20041107.213751.1508.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <002901c4c597$cad66bc0$0c00005a@davem.com> It appears to be a single cylinder engine, and transmission. J. Dave Mayfield www.w9wrl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 11:37 PM Subject: [SEL] What is it? > Hi all. > Wink Thornton, a fellow list member got a new toy but doesn't know what > it is. Some one help him out. It can be seen at: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=30882182&f=0 > Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From andyglines at hotmail.com Mon Nov 8 08:09:35 2004 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:09:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: BIG HELP Message-ID: >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: BIG HELP (Arnie Fero) >Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:03:56 -0500 (EST) >From: Arnie Fero >Subject: Re: [SEL] BIG HELP >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >SO Leroy, does this hunk of steel have flywheels? See ya, Arnie > >On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Leroy C. wrote: > > > I have a big help question here I need some way to load a 18,000 lb > > chunk of steel??? Anyone near Fostoria Ohio that could help?? More if > > any response > > >------------------------------ Contact the local heavy wrecker service. Those big wreckers will lift 18,000 and set it on your trailer with little effort. Some even have booms that telescope and swivel. Be sure to discuss the needed rigging with them. I'm pretty sure that the service will have enough rigging to do the job, just ask to make sure. _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Nov 8 09:22:34 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:22:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done Message-ID: Howdy all; Well it's a beautiful morning so thought I'd shoot some after pictures. Many thanks to Corky my machinist bud and of course John Cullom, the GAL MAN!!! The SEL is FANTASTIC and I thank all that contributed!! Here's the first pix: http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/213770342GweFSV and the other side. Hope you all enjoy especially the generations to come. http://community.webshots.com/photo/213772212/213772212iTMqUd I'll put up some more photo's later, Take Care RickinMt. PS: Sorry for the larger file sizes http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 8 10:29:53 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:29:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT, WWI Machine Gun Cart References: <00d801c4c46c$1ce99a40$94d7f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <001f01c4c5c0$f19ce300$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > If you want to help the widow convert the cart to cash, take a look at the > eBay of the firearms world... ebay ? How about the Harry's of the full auto world ? http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/ BTW Arnie . I finished the roof on the new shop last night Chuck ? From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Nov 8 11:17:37 2004 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 14:17:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz info wanted Message-ID: <410-220041118191737430@coastalnet.com> Can anyone help this fellow in South Africa with any info on this presumably later model Lorenz? There is no name plate, so model and serial numbers are missing. http://www.oldiron-nut.com/temp/lorenz2.jpg Please pass any info on to me and I will forward it to him. Thank you and take care. Ken Christison christison at coastalnet.com www.oldiron-nut.com From edstoller at earthlink.net Mon Nov 8 12:32:24 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:32:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Upside down Message-ID: <002d01c4c5d2$1029dec0$05a4f504@x8h7l9> I want to put the rings back on the piston of my Stover CT2 and the bottom, ( oil ) ring has a bevel on one side and a sharp edge on the other. Does anybody know if the bevel goes towards the top of the piston or towards the skirt. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Nov 8 13:57:50 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:57:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041108165656.022e4148@mail.alltel.net> At 12:22 PM 11/8/2004, you wrote: >Howdy all; > Well it's a beautiful morning..... >Take Care >RickinMt. And a BEAUTIFUL saw outfit as well! Dave From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Mon Nov 8 14:59:12 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:59:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Tin Siding Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7029F74D5@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>>The corrugated iron on the building is laid horizontally and not vertically (as is more usual). I think I have seen this a couple of times and Edd says he has seen it a few times. Does anyone have an idea why it would have been done this way? >>>Patrick Sometimes the panels are hinged, so they can be pushed out at the bottom and propped open for ventilation. Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Nov 8 15:04:57 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 00:04:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done References: Message-ID: <001301c4c5e7$5e246fe0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Great looking saw outfit Rick! You guys did a well done job. Your weather is much better too. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Howdy all; > Well it's a beautiful morning so thought I'd shoot some after pictures. > Many thanks to Corky my machinist bud and of course John Cullom, the GAL > MAN!!! The SEL is FANTASTIC and I thank all that contributed!! > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/213772212/213772212iTMqUd > > RickinMt. From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Mon Nov 8 15:39:06 2004 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:39:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine #21 - #25 Message-ID: <200411082331.iA8NVlpg006632@photo.epson.com> Hello! WinkandGinger Thornton has an online photo album for you to see at http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw= Here is a message describing the photos: The unidentified engine is # 21 thru # 25 ....and it's not a "toyota"! I'v never sent pics before...hope this works! You can also create your own photo album to share with family and friends. Its free! Just join Epson PhotoCenter today. http://photo.epson.com/welcome/index.html AOL Users: Click on the link below to see the photos. If neither of the links are clickable, simply cut and paste the first link into your web browser. Click here Here are some of the exciting things you can do as a member of Epson PhotoCenter: - Send a customized electronic postcard with our free PicCheers! - Share your photos and photo albums online with family and friends. It's a great way to stay in touch with loved ones. And that's just the beginning. Changing the picture of photography.TM http://photo.epson.com/ Copyright(C) 2004 Epson America, Inc. 3840 Kilroy Airport Way, Long Beach, CA 90806 From alanb2 at webtv.net Mon Nov 8 15:58:35 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 18:58:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done In-Reply-To: "Richard Strobel" 's message of Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:22:34 -0700 Message-ID: <19195-4190082B-720@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net> Very sweet lookin' toy there, Rick, Have you cut much wood with it yet? Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From carrowor2002 at att.net Mon Nov 8 16:06:48 2004 From: carrowor2002 at att.net (Robert Jacobs) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 19:06:48 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done References: <19195-4190082B-720@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <41900A18.000001.02800@NOTEBOOK> I agree on the sweet toy, but don't even want to see the size of the kid peddling that three wheeler to pull it Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! Carrowor2002 at att.net -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 11/08/04 18:59:13 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done Very sweet lookin' toy there, Rick, Have you cut much wood with it yet? Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 8 17:18:20 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:18:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done Message-ID: <20041108.202811.280.0.jlb94@juno.com> That is a really nice outfit Rick. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jhcullom at adelphia.net Mon Nov 8 17:41:56 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:41:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done References: Message-ID: <00dd01c4c5fd$4c300630$6401a8c0@office> Good job buddy. Take a nice close-up & I'll stick it on my website with your name on it. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" > Well it's a beautiful morning so thought I'd shoot some after pictures. > Many thanks to Corky my machinist bud and of course John Cullom, the GAL > MAN!!! The SEL is FANTASTIC and I thank all that contributed!! From gibsongus at myway.com Mon Nov 8 22:11:33 2004 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 01:11:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine #21 - #25 Message-ID: <20041109061133.814EE39E0@mprdmxin.myway.com> That is sure differnt ,are you sure you didnt just pick up all the parts you found around the chinese laundy and put them together and have ginger hammer out the cover.-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Mon 11/08, < WinkAndGinger at aol.com > wrote: From: [mailto: WinkAndGinger at aol.com]To: WinkandGinger at aol.com, sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:39:06 -0800 (PST)Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine #21 - #25Hello!WinkandGinger Thornton has an online photo album for you to see at http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=Here is a message describing the photos:The unidentified engine is # 21 thru # 25....and it's not a "toyota"! I'v never sent pics before...hope this works! You can also create your own photo album to share with family andfriends. Its free! Just join Epson PhotoCenter today. http://photo.epson.com/welcome/index.htmlAOL Users: Click on the link below to see the photos. If neither of the links are clickable, simply cut and paste the first link into your web browser.Click here Here are some of the exciting things you can do as a member ofEpson PhotoCenter:- Send a customized electronic postcard with our free PicCheers!- Share your photos and photo albums online! with family and friends. It's a great way to stay in touch with loved ones. And that's just the beginning. Changing the picture of photography.TMhttp://photo.epson.com/Copyright(C) 2004 Epson America, Inc. 3840 Kilroy Airport Way, Long Beach, CA 90806_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Nov 9 05:45:40 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 06:45:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done References: <00dd01c4c5fd$4c300630$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: Thanks John! I still need to fix a few problems and then I'll shoot some closeups. Plus it needs a good cleanup. It was such a beautiful morning, I couldn't resist. Could you possibly guess how much pull down force on your belt tensioner? I guess the only way would be to swag it in lbs. Mine really flops up and down and I would guess it has ~ 25 pounds of pull down force...maybe less. and you'r right. Galloways are cold blooded. I heat the mixer and have much better luck. Just saw this is going to the list so maybe Curt or someothers could recommend the pull down force of the belt tensioner. Corky saw somewhere that IHC recommends ~150 pounds of force on the belt tensioner.......whew!!! I guess a guy could use a bathroom scale. Take Care Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done > Good job buddy. Take a nice close-up & I'll stick it on my website with > your > name on it. > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > > Well it's a beautiful morning so thought I'd shoot some after pictures. > > Many thanks to Corky my machinist bud and of course John Cullom, the GAL > > MAN!!! The SEL is FANTASTIC and I thank all that contributed!! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jhcullom at adelphia.net Tue Nov 9 05:53:06 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (jhcullom at adelphia.net) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 8:53:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done Message-ID: <20041109135307.FBZM11936.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> The belt on mine is rather tight, so the tensioner doesn't pull it down very far. Also, the tensioner pulley is pretty heavy as well, so I don't have to hook the spring to it. I'm at work now so I can't measure the downward force. John > From: "Richard Strobel" > Could you possibly guess how much pull down force on your belt tensioner? > I guess the only way would be to swag it in lbs. Mine really flops up and > down and I would guess it has ~ 25 pounds of pull down force...maybe less. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Nov 9 06:12:07 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 07:12:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit ..long ramble References: <001301c4c5e7$5e246fe0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: I really appreciate all the replies gang!! It was the most fun I could ever have..at my age :-)) Still need to "Coon-Tune" some pinstriping and do something with the bearing(s) on the belt tensioner. Latch needs some work and it needs retimed. I do wish I would have painted it in the bright sunlight as I now see some spots that didn't get covered well. It does shine a lot better than the pictures show. I'm very happy with the Nason paint and it didn't dig too deep into my pockets. Alan, I've cut a few discs like Curt and Missy do, but haven't even put a sharp on the blade yet. That revolving 1500 rpm blade is sure intimidating...and the blade condition is #1 on my safety list..so far it doesn't get warm. The automatic greaser on the rod works very well. I believe it was Pip who recommended the 10 to 4 clock angle on the flow control. This appears to work very well. Be careful with a new one, the flow control screwdriver slot turns VERY hard and easy to strip out. THANKS Pip!! The Webster thanks to Ted and Bill seems very strong. Maybe one of these days I'll send the tag to one of them and have them transfer the stamping to the new tag. It sure looks good and glad someone makes repro's. Curt, the finish on the wheel (trucks) is the stuff you insulate plier handles with. Somewhile back we talked about using truck bed liner like Rhino liner. I believe that would work better as the other stuff sure picks up crap. This baby is heavy and there's no way I can pull it on the grass. Just glad the neighbor kid stopped by with the wheeler. He's a strong lad :-) Again thanks all..more pictures to come with the PO and some scenery shots as soon as I go get the neighbors trailer. Have a good'un!! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done > Great looking saw outfit Rick! > You guys did a well done job. > Your weather is much better too. > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > Howdy all; > > Well it's a beautiful morning so thought I'd shoot some after > > pictures. > > Many thanks to Corky my machinist bud and of course John Cullom, the GAL > > MAN!!! The SEL is FANTASTIC and I thank all that contributed!! > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/213772212/213772212iTMqUd > > > > RickinMt. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 9 09:45:39 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:45:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Bamford - Bamford - Bamford Message-ID: Hi Folks, Thanks to some just-completed webbing by that AWESOME webmistress, Dolly French, I can now share with you a trio of Bamfords. The first is this year's "English" engine; a 2-1/2 hp Tulip Top Bamford, known affectionately as "Miss Whiplash." She had her stateside rally debut at Cotton Ginning Days in North Carolina. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/bamford.htm The second is a Bamford grain mill that's currently being re-assembled after being taken to bits to allow shipping across the pond with Miss Whiplash. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/mill.htm The third is a Bamford oil cake breaker that's still in England. They are such wicked toothy machines!!! http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/cakebreaker.htm Enjoy! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Nov 9 10:00:26 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:00:26 -0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Bamford - Bamford - Bamford In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200411091800.iA9I0W41038173@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Thanks to some just-completed webbing by that AWESOME > webmistress, Dolly > French, I can now share with you a trio of Bamfords. Woo hoo! The Triple Crown... the Trifecta! That's some nice iron you got, bro. Please refresh my memory... what's an oil cake and why do you want to break one? Rob From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 9 10:08:11 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:08:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] RE: Bamford - Bamford - Bamford In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rob, > Woo hoo! The Triple Crown... the Trifecta! That's some nice iron you got, bro. Thanks!! > Please refresh my memory... what's an oil cake and why do you want to break one? _Some_ folks just don't follow the links... 8-)) http://oldenginehouse.users.btopenworld.com/cakemill.htm BTW lacking oil cakes, chunks of particle board dropped in the hopper get chomped up into small pieces in a VERY impressive way. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Nov 9 03:43:31 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:43:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz info wanted Message-ID: <110920041143.13555.3d00@mchsi.com> Ken, For sure that is an early Lorenz then mine or most of the ones I know of here in the states. If like the later engines tell him to exam the crank under the rear housing and there should be a serial number stamped there some where. Maybe Arnie Fero can give some insight on dating it since he has the registry. Curt Andree > Can anyone help this fellow in South Africa with any info on this > presumably later model Lorenz? There is no name plate, so model > and serial numbers are missing. > http://www.oldiron-nut.com/temp/lorenz2.jpg > > Please pass any info on to me and I will forward it to him. > > Thank you and take care. > > > Ken Christison > christison at coastalnet.com > www.oldiron-nut.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Nov 9 11:31:17 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:31:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Bamford - Bamford - Bamford References: Message-ID: <001101c4c692$b4532810$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Arnie, When you're finished with all your Bamford toys, you could thinking about something like this :o)) http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/arniemill.htm Happy milling, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 9 11:36:32 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:36:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Bamford - Bamford - Bamford In-Reply-To: <001101c4c692$b4532810$3e636854@Sixmjohn> References: <001101c4c692$b4532810$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Hi John, That will never work. There's WAY too much empty space. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, John Hammink wrote: > When you're finished with all your Bamford toys, you > could thinking about something like this :o)) > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/arniemill.htm > > Happy milling, From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Nov 9 11:52:54 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:52:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan Message-ID: Hi Everybody, A couple weeks ago I asked about sealing up the crankcase and fuel tank on my 3hp John Deere. I picked up some cork type gasket material from Carquest and cut myself some new gaskets. I cleaned up all the cast surfaces with a razor blade then wiped them down with mineral spirits. I then took some permatex and put a small bead on the cast surfaces and assembled it all together. I did all this the weekend before last. This past weekend I added the oil and some fuel and cranked it up. It started and ran fine and didn't have any leaks show up. Time will tell, but it looks good so far. Just thought I'd share with the way I did it. Thanks for the advice everyone gave me. Here is a few pictures I took while I was working on it. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/jd/jd.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Tue Nov 9 12:12:00 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:12:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] R&H, Apple top Petters Message-ID: <019b01c4c698$61156fe0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Was someone asking about R&H sideshafts or Apple top Petters. I have both for sale , call my cell only, 1.207.939.89764 thanks Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 9 13:36:27 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:36:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Rejuvinating your club References: Message-ID: <002d01c4c6a4$2c5ac960$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> On RFD tv they were at a club that has "School Days" . No public , just kids and exhibitors . the buses come and they run them through there all day long . Thats a winner from every angle . You gotta get the kids involved they are always good at finding stuff , being so close to the floor . > _Some_ folks just don't follow the links... 8-)) > http://oldenginehouse.users.btopenworld.com/cakemill.htm > > BTW lacking oil cakes, chunks of particle board dropped in the hopper get > chomped up into small pieces in a VERY impressive way. > > See ya, Arnie Paint some flying tiger teeth on it and feed it boogie boards . I bet the kids would love that . Taliban pinatas would offend From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Nov 9 14:08:22 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:08:22 +0000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Bamford - Bamford - Bamford References: Message-ID: <41913FD6.3B604D6C@insulate.co.uk> Oh, Arnie! What a wasted opportunity! You should've told him that we dig up oil out of the ground in big solid cakes, then grind it up to get the oil out! Dolly Arnie Fero wrote: > > Please refresh my memory... what's an oil cake and why do you want to break one? > > _Some_ folks just don't follow the links... 8-)) > http://oldenginehouse.users.btopenworld.com/cakemill.htm > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Nov 9 14:09:38 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:09:38 EST Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done Message-ID: <88.19191f98.2ec29a22@aol.com> In a message dated 11/8/2004 1:13:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: << Well it's a beautiful morning so thought I'd shoot some after pictures. >> Rick, A beautiful job on the engine and cart! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Nov 9 14:22:06 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:22:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Weld Mold 706 Message-ID: <4191430E.69D936D7@insulate.co.uk> Hi I've had someone ask where these rods can be obtained. Any ideas, anyone? Thanks, Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From George_Best at adp.com Tue Nov 9 14:28:22 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:28:22 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Bamford - Bamford - Bamford Message-ID: Bamford is proud of the silver medal they won. I've got a couple questions on the medal they won. Was the silver medal the highest award? In today's ranking of medals, a gold medal would be first place and a silver is second place. So was Bamford proud of a second place finish (in which case I wonder who won the gold) or at that time was the silver medal the highest honor? From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Nov 9 15:57:23 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:57:23 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Weld Mold 706 References: <4191430E.69D936D7@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <001c01c4c6b7$dbf33340$3e636854@Sixmjohn> He Dolly, you wrote an article about it, remember!! Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 09:14:52 -0800 From: John Wilkens Subject: Re: Cast Iron Welding Curt, the fella who put us onto this Polyweld 700/706 welding rod was Bob Bolhuis (Canada). We found a good source that will sell the 1/8" 706 stick rod in less that 10 pound tubes. The price is good--about $11.50/lb. Contact Greg (Brance Mgr.), AFA Gas, Danville, Il. 217-443-0204. UPS shipping OK. John W. Take care, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Hi > > I've had someone ask where these rods can be obtained. Any ideas, > anyone? > > Thanks, > > Dolly From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Nov 9 16:19:47 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:19:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Bamford - Bamford - Bamford References: Message-ID: <000801c4c6ba$fc6c01d0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> George, I thought in the 20ths gold was to ???. and silver was good enough for this tail. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/silvermedal.jpg John H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" > Bamford is proud of the silver medal they won. > > I've got a couple questions on the medal they won. > > Was the silver medal the highest award? > > In today's ranking of medals, a gold medal would be first place and a > silver is second place. > So was Bamford proud of a second place finish (in which case I wonder > who won the gold) or at that time was the silver medal the highest > honor? From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Nov 9 16:42:49 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:42:49 -0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Bamford - Bamford - Bamford In-Reply-To: <41913FD6.3B604D6C@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <200411100042.iAA0gtQY059105@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > we dig up oil out of the > ground in big solid cakes, then grind it up to get the oil out! Thanks girlfriend, There's no way I was gonna buy into that load of bollocks that Arnie was trying to pass off. Geez! That guy will say anything! Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From alanb2 at webtv.net Tue Nov 9 17:16:22 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:16:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rejuvenating your club In-Reply-To: 's message of Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:36:27 -0600 Message-ID: <11296-41916BE6-7271@storefull-3276.bay.webtv.net> What club were they at? The Buckley club here in Michigan calls theirs Education Days. They had their EDs in the first week of October. Because of my new job I couldn't be there, but it went great. The weather was ever good. 8>)) I WAS at the event last year and we had cold rain then it turned to snow. The local newspaper had a huge picture on it's front page the next day of the club's train coming around the corner in what looked like a blizzard. The photographer made it look like that by using a telephoto lens from back a ways so he was shooting the picture through more snow. It is an event where a LOT of club members join together for the good of over 400 4th grade kids and they all have a good time together. I hope next year when I have some vacation days I can set up a corn processing display and and let all the kids shell a couple tons of corn for me. 8>)) Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan ~~kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote~~~~ On RFD tv they were at a club that has "School Days" . No public , just kids and exhibitors . the buses come and they run them through there all day long . Thats a winner from every angle . You gotta get the kids involved they are always good at finding stuff , being so close to the floor . From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Nov 9 17:29:32 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:29:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: Bamford - Bamford - Bamford Message-ID: <20041109.202948.984.0.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks Arnie, http://oldenginehouse.users.btopenworld.com/cakemill.htm Never heard of a cake breaker. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Nov 9 17:34:29 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:34:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan Message-ID: <20041109.203752.984.1.jlb94@juno.com> Congratulations on no leaks Luke. I find that the cork gasket material today seems to be too coarse, or of a cheap cork, and usually leaks for me. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From yostsw at atis.net Tue Nov 9 20:42:09 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:42:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200411092342090906.452D21E7@heavyiron.atis.net> Great job cutting the gasket. Looks very professional Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 11/9/2004 at 7:52 PM Luke Tonneberger wrote: >Hi Everybody, > >A couple weeks ago I asked about sealing up the crankcase and fuel tank on >my 3hp John Deere. I picked up some cork type gasket material from >Carquest >and cut myself some new gaskets. I cleaned up all the cast surfaces with a >razor blade then wiped them down with mineral spirits. I then took some >permatex and put a small bead on the cast surfaces and assembled it all >together. I did all this the weekend before last. This past weekend I >added >the oil and some fuel and cranked it up. It started and ran fine and >didn't >have any leaks show up. Time will tell, but it looks good so far. Just >thought I'd share with the way I did it. Thanks for the advice everyone >gave >me. Here is a few pictures I took while I was working on it. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/jd/jd.html > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Nov 9 20:56:25 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:56:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Bamford - Bamford - Bamford In-Reply-To: <001101c4c692$b4532810$3e636854@Sixmjohn> References: <001101c4c692$b4532810$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041109235437.0228fc70@mail.alltel.net> At 02:31 PM 11/9/2004, you wrote: >Hi Arnie, >When you're finished with all your Bamford toys, you >could thinking about something like this :o)) >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/arniemill.htm >Happy milling, >John Hammink Arnie only drinks Old Mill when he runs out of his private stock! Dave From pjp at steamengine.com.au Wed Nov 10 01:24:11 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:24:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4191DE3B.3050806@steamengine.com.au> Nice saw and impressive tow vehicle. Paul Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all; > Well it's a beautiful morning so thought I'd shoot some after pictures. > Many thanks to Corky my machinist bud and of course John Cullom, the GAL > MAN!!! The SEL is FANTASTIC and I thank all that contributed!! > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From fbi at insulate.co.uk Wed Nov 10 03:52:22 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:52:22 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Weld Mold 706 References: <4191430E.69D936D7@insulate.co.uk> <001c01c4c6b7$dbf33340$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <419200F6.7818CA66@insulate.co.uk> Hi John John Hammink wrote: > He Dolly, you wrote an article about it, remember!! I know - but I didn't mention where you can get it from!!! I think that was why the guy asked me in the first place ;-) Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Nov 10 03:59:30 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:59:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Weld Mold 706 Message-ID: A search on google.....second hit provided the info below.......... I picked some up but have the info at home. If I remember right they sent me about 6 sticks for free to try out. I have been very satisfied the few times I have used it. It flows like butter. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ------------- Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:06:37 -0500 (EST) From: Arnie Fero x4891 E-478 Subject: Re: Cast welding-new info on 706 rod Hi Folks, There have been a number of requests for the "source" info that John Wilkens provided for Weld Mold 706 rod for no-preheat cast iron welding. Here tis... BTW my two pounds arrived last week... Not tried it yet. See ya, Arnie - ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From owner-stationary-engine at newidea.atis.net Fri Feb 23 10:44:16 2001 Hi Folks, I just got off the phone after chatting with Greg. As John said, he's fantastic to deal with. I'd say this should be THE "SEL Source Site" for ordering Weld Mold 706 rod. I've got two pounds "in the mail." Thanks John for posting this!!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA feroa at vemnus.pgh.wec.com >For those interested in the prior thread on Bob's good experience with Weld >Mold 706 rod, I found a source that will sell the 1/8" 706 stick rod in >less that 10 pound tubes. The price is good--about $11.50/lb. Contact >Greg (Branch Mgr.), AFA Gas, Danville, Il. 217-443-0204. UPS shipping OK. > Nice fellow to deal with. John W. > > John Wilkens ========================================================== >From: Jim French >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: Stationary Engine List >Subject: [SEL] Weld Mold 706 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:22:06 +0000 > >Hi > >I've had someone ask where these rods can be obtained. Any ideas, >anyone? > >Thanks, > >Dolly > >-- >Jim French >fbi at insulate.co.uk >http://www.insulate.co.uk From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Nov 10 04:37:17 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:37:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Sort of OT: Odd iron on building In-Reply-To: <200411041202.iA4C2IdO089995@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200411101237.iAACbNiG044596@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Thanks to all for their input on this one. It looks like there could be as many reasons as there are sheets of iron ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 10 04:52:50 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:52:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan References: <20041109.203752.984.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <004501c4c724$302074c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > I find that the cork gasket material today seems to be too coarse, or of > a cheap cork, and usually leaks for me. that would be an effect of the advent of the big box stores , ask for Victor , somewhere else . Superior to the old stuff . The chinese stuff is inferior to all . But its only $3.00 . From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 10 05:03:57 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:03:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Rejuvenating your club References: <11296-41916BE6-7271@storefull-3276.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <004b01c4c725$bdb21ae0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > What club were they at? I didnt catch it all . Vista ? ......Ca. ? They kept coming back to a guy bar starting a Cat . They are interviewing a tractor boy , he's telling this fascinating story about how they bought this then bought that then bought this (technically mesmerizing stuff )while in the background one can here a 10-15 hp engine hitting every 20-30 seconds and lots of little ones . I think thats a pretty groovy idea , to not let in anybody over this high for one day . Chuck? From curt at imc-group.com Wed Nov 10 06:35:08 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:35:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done In-Reply-To: References: <00dd01c4c5fd$4c300630$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <4192271C.4010708@imc-group.com> Rick, Wow what a beauty! I am pleased to hear you say you plan on cutting a bit of wood on the Galloway saw. It really would be a shame to spend all the time and effort restoring and painting a saw rig and never have it see any real use again. Right Dave, Arnie??? As for the weight of the tensioner, the IHC "recommendation" is excessive at 150#, unless they are speaking of 150# of tension within the belt itself. The idler pulley on my Herc saw rig weighs about 30# and is heavier that the original since I turned it from a solid piece. Running a few numbers determined the internal belt tension is about 53# at the amount of belt deflection I currently have. With a 30# roller and 53# of internal belt tension I have never been able to slip the belt on this saw rig even when really loaded up. I'm certain the original idler was lighter and would have resulted in less belt tension. The idler on the Famous saw rig is considerable lighter. Without weighing it I would guess in the neighborhood of 15#. It is supposed to have a spring and handwheel assembly that provides down load to the idler to increase belt tension, but I don't have those parts made yet. I have been running this saw at shows for a couple of years now and the belt does not slip under load. I'll venture a guess that there is less belt tension on the Famous than on the Hercules. That said, I would not make any attempt to impose 150# on your belt tensioner, the arbor babbitt bearings, or the engine bearings. These parts might just give up! If you have 25# of tensioner weight, be assured that should be plenty. If you have a bouncing problem with the idler (so does my Famous), either ignore it or focus on adding some damping. Create some friction at the pivot point by clamping some dished washers or using rubber washers, etc. Basically you want to make a torsional shock absorber. Curt P.S. Would you post a couple of closeup photos of the pinstriping details? Richard Strobel wrote: >Thanks John! I still need to fix a few problems and then I'll shoot some >closeups. Plus it needs a good cleanup. It was such a beautiful morning, I >couldn't resist. > > Could you possibly guess how much pull down force on your belt tensioner? >I guess the only way would be to swag it in lbs. Mine really flops up and >down and I would guess it has ~ 25 pounds of pull down force...maybe less. > > and you'r right. Galloways are cold blooded. I heat the mixer and have >much better luck. > > Just saw this is going to the list so maybe Curt or someothers could >recommend the pull down force of the belt tensioner. Corky saw somewhere >that IHC recommends ~150 pounds of force on the belt tensioner.......whew!!! > > I guess a guy could use a bathroom scale. > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Nov 10 06:50:14 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:50:14 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Richard Bamford Message-ID: <002601c4c734$9754f250$6b856ad5@no1> I am passing on the message below from the English engine list. I also knew Richard over many years & fully agree with everything Phillip says below. __________________________________________________________ I've just heard the sad news from Eric Brain that Richard Bamford passed away on October 14th. I had the pleasure of meeting him several times, and always found him to be a real gentleman. A sad loss to the preservation world, after all he actually made some of the engines we now see on the rallyfield. Eric was going to post this message but I'm doing it on his behalf due to browser problems in Bath :-( Philip T-E _____________________________________________________________ Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Nov 10 07:42:21 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:42:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Bamford - Bamford - Bamford References: Message-ID: Very NICE IRON Arn!! Great pictures also. Thank you RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 10:45 AM Subject: [SEL] Bamford - Bamford - Bamford > Hi Folks, > > Thanks to some just-completed webbing by that AWESOME webmistress, Dolly > French, I can now share with you a trio of Bamfords. > > > The first is this year's "English" engine; a 2-1/2 hp Tulip Top Bamford, > known affectionately as "Miss Whiplash." She had her stateside rally > debut at Cotton Ginning Days in North Carolina. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/bamford.htm > > > The second is a Bamford grain mill that's currently being re-assembled > after being taken to bits to allow shipping across the pond with Miss > Whiplash. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/mill.htm > > > The third is a Bamford oil cake breaker that's still in England. They are > such wicked toothy machines!!! > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/cakebreaker.htm > > > Enjoy! > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Nov 10 08:13:25 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:13:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Bamford - Bamford - Bamford In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Rick! All credit for good pics (and great webbing) go to Dolly. See ya, Arnie On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, Richard Strobel wrote: > Very NICE IRON Arn!! Great pictures also. > > Thank you > RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Nov 10 08:32:34 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:32:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done References: <00dd01c4c5fd$4c300630$6401a8c0@office> <4192271C.4010708@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Thanks Curt..means a lot. Here's a picture from an old flyer that I used as a guide line for the pinstriping. http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/138407159kActEa Take Care pard Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done > Rick, > Wow what a beauty! I am pleased to hear you say you plan on cutting a > bit of wood on the Galloway saw. It really would be a shame to spend all > the time and effort restoring and painting a saw rig and never have it > see any real use again. Right Dave, Arnie??? > > As for the weight of the tensioner, the IHC "recommendation" is > excessive at 150#, unless they are speaking of 150# of tension within > the belt itself. > The idler pulley on my Herc saw rig weighs about 30# and is heavier that > the original since I turned it from a solid piece. > Running a few numbers determined the internal belt tension is about 53# > at the amount of belt deflection I currently have. With a 30# roller and > 53# of internal belt tension I have never been able to slip the belt on > this saw rig even when really loaded up. I'm certain the original idler > was lighter and would have resulted in less belt tension. > > The idler on the Famous saw rig is considerable lighter. Without > weighing it I would guess in the neighborhood of 15#. It is supposed to > have a spring and handwheel assembly that provides down load to the > idler to increase belt tension, but I don't have those parts made yet. I > have been running this saw at shows for a couple of years now and the > belt does not slip under load. I'll venture a guess that there is less > belt tension on the Famous than on the Hercules. > > That said, I would not make any attempt to impose 150# on your belt > tensioner, the arbor babbitt bearings, or the engine bearings. These > parts might just give up! If you have 25# of tensioner weight, be > assured that should be plenty. If you have a bouncing problem with the > idler (so does my Famous), either ignore it or focus on adding some > damping. Create some friction at the pivot point by clamping some dished > washers or using rubber washers, etc. Basically you want to make a > torsional shock absorber. > Curt > P.S. Would you post a couple of closeup photos of the pinstriping details? > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > >Thanks John! I still need to fix a few problems and then I'll shoot some > >closeups. Plus it needs a good cleanup. It was such a beautiful > >morning, I > >couldn't resist. > > > > Could you possibly guess how much pull down force on your belt > > tensioner? > >I guess the only way would be to swag it in lbs. Mine really flops up > >and > >down and I would guess it has ~ 25 pounds of pull down force...maybe > >less. > > > > and you'r right. Galloways are cold blooded. I heat the mixer and > > have > >much better luck. > > > > Just saw this is going to the list so maybe Curt or someothers could > >recommend the pull down force of the belt tensioner. Corky saw somewhere > >that IHC recommends ~150 pounds of force on the belt > >tensioner.......whew!!! > > > > I guess a guy could use a bathroom scale. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Nov 10 09:09:32 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:09:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Galloway Sawing Outfit Message-ID: I was going to just email Curt, but believe it belongs on the List. I don't remember if you said you found a sawrig, Curt, but beware of the belt tensioner pulley shaft. We could not press it out and had her up to over 10 ton. I can spin the shaft with a pipe wrench. We finally drilled it out and it appears that the shaft was placed in the mold (sand?) and then the casting poured. This sounds weird and we've never seen this used before. The pulley shaft appears to have had a ridge and the casting probably had a groove for this to fit in. Hope I explained it right RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From curt at imc-group.com Wed Nov 10 12:12:42 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:12:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2004 Message-ID: <4192763A.4000900@imc-group.com> Well I finally got a few pictures from Cotton Ginning Days 2004 up on our club web site. Yes, I been training at the Fero school of procrastination! I hope you enjoy them. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. Arnie, when are you going to post your CGD's photos? From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Nov 10 13:00:12 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:00:12 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2004 References: <4192763A.4000900@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001601c4c768$6612c990$6b856ad5@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 8:12 PM Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2004 > Well I finally got a few pictures from Cotton Ginning Days 2004 up on > our club web site. Yes, I been training at the Fero school of > procrastination! > I hope you enjoy them. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. Arnie, when are you going to post your CGD's photos? About 2 years after he posts the English trip pictures he took 2 years ago 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From marvhed at ecenet.com Wed Nov 10 14:31:20 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:31:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] OT sorta --Jensen pump jack info wanted In-Reply-To: <20041104153200.6370.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <30833.199.62.0.252.1099571764.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> <20041104153200.6370.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <33468.199.62.0.252.1100125880.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> steve, i recieved the spec and data sheets from jenson for the 2 smallest water pump jacks as well as the prints to make the cable clamps. is that customer service or what!!! thanks, marv in minn > Marvin > > My Dad purchased one earlier this year and has done some work on it. I > snapped these pics this morning on the way out. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/EngineEquip/jensenpumpjack.htm > > There are 2 smaller pumpjacks, but this is the smallest one that looks > like its bigger brothers. Flat weights on the beam and coutnter weights. > > Steve > --- MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > > i recently purchased a Jensen pump jack. > (looks like a miniature oil well pump) > thanks, marv in minn. > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Nov 10 15:14:53 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:14:53 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT sorta --Jensen pump jack info wanted In-Reply-To: <33468.199.62.0.252.1100125880.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <200411102314.iAANEEkq071643@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > steve, > i recieved the spec and data sheets from jenson for the 2 > smallest water > pump jacks as well as the prints to make the cable clamps. > is that customer service or what!!! Hi Marv, I just walked in the door from visiting our junk storage. The tag on our 13W says 40 SPM. From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Nov 10 17:22:40 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:22:40 EST Subject: [SEL] Dstrojan Message-ID: <13f.60cc350.2ec418e0@aol.com> Anyone heard from Tommy Dstrojan lately or know if he has changed his email address? I usually see him on my buddy list and chat once in a while, but have not seen or heard from him in quite a few weeks now. Have sent him 2 emails in the last two weeks, and no answer there either. Last known address is: Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com Just curious that he is doing ok. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Wed Nov 10 18:54:13 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:54:13 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] RE:piston ring upside down Message-ID: <20041111025413.25865.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> G'day Ed I had this dilemma just a few weeks ago. I dunno whether you've had other replies, but my thoughts directed me to place the lower oil ring with the bevel facing toward the top of piston. I reckoned that on the piston travel downward, a pool of oil at the bevel would coat the cylinder and the compression rings would receive that oil next in line. I dunno what happens on the up stroke, but my engine ran 2 days non stop at the Oz Ronnie Rally. Someone must know for sure though. I could have a look at my cooper-stover CT2, but I think I've got 3 standard (comp) rings anyway! Cheers Graham in Oz Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:32:24 -0500 From: "ED" Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Upside down To: , "stationary-engine at atis.net" Message-ID: <002d01c4c5d2$1029dec0$05a4f504 at x8h7l9> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I want to put the rings back on the piston of my Stover CT2 and the bottom, ( oil ) ring has a bevel on one side and a sharp edge on the other. Does anybody know if the bevel goes towards the top of the piston or towards the skirt. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From alanb2 at webtv.net Wed Nov 10 20:06:09 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:06:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rejuvenating your club In-Reply-To: 's message of Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:03:57 -0600 Message-ID: <809-4192E531-561@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net> The Buckley club's Education Days is a two day event. There is another club North of here that has been doing the same thing three days. Next year they are holding the event four days straight. There are just so many schools that want to be part of it. I know going to a three day event was just discussed last Friday evening at the Nov. Buckley Club meeting. Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Mchigan ~~~~~~~Chuck wrote~~~~~ What club were they at? I didnt catch it all . Vista ? ......Ca. ? They kept coming back to a guy bar starting a Cat . They are interviewing a tractor boy , he's telling this fascinating story about how they bought this then bought that then bought this (technically mesmerizing stuff )while in the background one can here a 10-15 hp engine hitting every 20-30 seconds and ??lots of little ones . I think thats a pretty groovy idea , to not let in anybody over this high for one day . Chuck? From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Nov 11 03:51:48 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:51:48 +0000 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan Message-ID: That's the kind I got Chuck, the Victor brand. It didn't have the big chunks of cork that is a pain in the butt to cut. This stuff cut real nice and the cork is made up of itty bitty pieces. I think it was around $20 for a 1/8" by 36" by 18" piece. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================= >From: >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:52:50 -0600 > > > > I find that the cork gasket material today seems to be too coarse, or of > > a cheap cork, and usually leaks for me. > > >that would be an effect of the advent of the big box stores , > ask for Victor , somewhere else . Superior to the old stuff . >The chinese stuff is inferior to all . But its only $3.00 . From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Nov 11 04:00:34 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:00:34 +0000 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan Message-ID: Thanks Spencer. I take a piece of white paper and lay it on the cast. Then with greasy fingers I run my fingers over all of the edges and holes. It leaves a perfect outline on the paper. Then I cut out the greasy tracing with some scissors. Take the template and tape it onto the cork gasket material and cut it out with a razor knife. I used a straight edge to cut the straight portions. For the holes I used a hollowed out punch looking deal. I got a couple of them in a box of junk from an auction. I think they are for punching holes in leather or something like that. Probably could make the same thing with a piece of pipe or tubing with the 'cutting edge' cut on an angle with the bench grinder. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =================== >From: "Spencer Yost" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: Re[2]: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan >Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:42:09 -0500 > >Great job cutting the gasket. Looks very professional > >Spencer Yost >Owner, ATIS >Plow the Net! >http://www.atis.net From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Nov 11 04:29:45 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:29:45 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2004 Message-ID: Fantastic pictures Curt!! Thanks for taking and posting them. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =============== >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: SEL >Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2004 >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:12:42 -0500 > >Well I finally got a few pictures from Cotton Ginning Days 2004 up on our >club web site. Yes, I been training at the Fero school of procrastination! >I hope you enjoy them. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC >P.S. Arnie, when are you going to post your CGD's photos? > > From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Nov 11 05:58:54 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:58:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE:piston ring upside down References: <20041111025413.25865.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101c4c7f6$96e838a0$90a4f504@x8h7l9> Thanks Graham, Tom got me an answer right away,so I put the piston together and stored it for now. Knowing the reason helps me remember the details. The way I understand it, the bevel on top spreads the oil on the up ( in ) stroke and the sharp edge wipes the oil on the down (out ) stroke. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Harris" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:54 PM Subject: [SEL] RE:piston ring upside down > G'day Ed > > I had this dilemma just a few weeks ago. I dunno > whether you've had other replies, but my thoughts > directed me to place the lower oil ring with the bevel > facing toward the top of piston. > > I reckoned that on the piston travel downward, a pool > of oil at the bevel would coat the cylinder and the > compression rings would receive that oil next in line. > I dunno what happens on the up stroke, but my engine > ran 2 days non stop at the Oz Ronnie Rally. Someone > must know for sure though. I could have a look at my > cooper-stover CT2, but I think I've got 3 standard > (comp) rings anyway! > > > Cheers > > Graham in Oz > > > Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:32:24 -0500 > From: "ED" > Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Upside down > To: , > "stationary-engine at atis.net" > > Message-ID: <002d01c4c5d2$1029dec0$05a4f504 at x8h7l9> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I want to put the rings back on the piston of my > Stover CT2 and > the bottom, ( oil ) ring has a bevel on one side and a > sharp edge > on the other. Does anybody know if the bevel goes > towards the > top of the piston or towards the skirt. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Nov 11 06:07:21 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:07:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan References: Message-ID: <002301c4c7f7$c5cccf40$90a4f504@x8h7l9> I will have to remember your trick. I need to cut a head gasket and was thinking of spray painting the mating surface and immediately placing it on the gasket stock to transfer the pattern. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 7:00 AM Subject: RE: Re[2]: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan > Thanks Spencer. I take a piece of white paper and lay it on the cast. Then > with greasy fingers I run my fingers over all of the edges and holes. It > leaves a perfect outline on the paper. Then I cut out the greasy tracing > with some scissors. Take the template and tape it onto the cork gasket > material and cut it out with a razor knife. I used a straight edge to cut > the straight portions. For the holes I used a hollowed out punch looking > deal. I got a couple of them in a box of junk from an auction. I think they > are for punching holes in leather or something like that. Probably could > make the same thing with a piece of pipe or tubing with the 'cutting edge' > cut on an angle with the bench grinder. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > =================== > >From: "Spencer Yost" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >Subject: Re[2]: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan > >Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:42:09 -0500 > > > >Great job cutting the gasket. Looks very professional > > > >Spencer Yost > >Owner, ATIS > >Plow the Net! > >http://www.atis.net > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 11 07:04:17 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:04:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2004 In-Reply-To: <4192763A.4000900@imc-group.com> References: <4192763A.4000900@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, Nice pics and nice writeup. You should add the weight of that cotton bale. Very impressive! http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2004/043.jpg See ya, Arnie On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, Curt wrote: > Well I finally got a few pictures from Cotton Ginning Days 2004 up on > our club web site. Yes, I been training at the Fero school of > procrastination! From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Nov 11 04:19:39 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:19:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Stover engine dealer info needed Message-ID: <111120041219.6321.636b@mchsi.com> Looking for any info on the Gerherd & Hey Co.,NY,NY who purchased large amounts of Stover engines between 1913 to 1920. They later changed their name to Echard & Hey Co. Wondering if any one out east might not beable to help me. thankyou in advance, Curt Andree From don.h at wcoil.com Thu Nov 11 09:59:13 2004 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:59:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <004001c4c818$27a9db70$6401a8c0@shop> Thanks to all our vet,s out there Don in ohio 23443572 From falcon at telenet.net Thu Nov 11 12:09:19 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:09:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A personal thanks to all the Veterans Message-ID: <004501c4c82a$54cb2e80$a01117d1@net.telenet.net> Just wanted to say thank you to all of the Veterans on the lists. Without the sacrifices you made this country and the world itself would not be the place it is today. I thank YOU for the freedoms we have and the ability to speak freely. I also am very sorry for the way many are treated by my generation and others. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY From curt at imc-group.com Thu Nov 11 12:54:36 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:54:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: [HerculesEnginesGroup] J mixer for 5 hp herc / posted to SEL. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4193D18C.9010004@imc-group.com> Rich, One hell of a project you have just finished! I am going to copy this over to the Stationary Engine List because many will find this project very interesting. I hope you would consider joining the SEL in addition to the Herc List you are already on. You can join with this link. http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel I'm assuming you used the steriolithography technology or something similiar to make your mixer from the solid model you drew in CAD. By having this capability you are in an excellent position to go ahead and make a pattern and core box and cast yourself a brand new cast iron mixer. You'll just need to scale your pattern 1.0104 X and add about a 2" extension of the ID of the mixer for your core to be held in. Having this technology available puts you in the enviable position to easily make patterns for your replacement parts for your antique gas engines. Core boxes are particularly difficult and this technology would greatly simplify the process. Hope to see you on the SEL soon. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC on the web at http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/ sachs682000 wrote: > Thought you all might be interested in a project I tried that worked >out well. I have a 5 hp E model herc that was in really bad shape >when I got it. After completely going thru it and bringing it back to >life I still had a problem with the J mixer. It was so corroded and >pitted that I thought maybe this was the problem with the way the >engine ran. So I sat down at the computer with my Pro Engineer >modeling program and proceeded to draw up a model of the mixer. > After several days of getting it just right, I sent the file to my >modeling machine in the shop where I work and reproduced an exact >duplicate of the mixer. Here is the kicker, It is made out of >polycarbonate, basically a white colored plexiglass. After putting in >heli-coils for the needle valve threads and the fuel line attach >point, I removed the original mixer from the engine and attached the >new "model" mixer and it ran perfectly. I ran it for a little over 4 >hours and it worked without a hitch. The fuel didn't seem to bother >it at all. I thought it might eat the Poly material but it didn't. I >realise it is not original but at least now I know I need to find a >new mixer. > I also made a crank guard the same way. But I didn't have an >original to go by, I only had a picture in a book. It didn't come out >looking just right but only someone that is really into the hobby >would notice. I don't really think anyone could tell the difference >in the mixer. Anyway, just thought I pass this on. > > Rich Reed >Southern Maryland > > > > > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Nov 11 13:53:57 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:53:57 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit Message-ID: <20041111.135358.1084.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Last weekend at the Tulare swap meet a cute little Hercules Power unit followed me home. Model ZXB, serial no. 302475. A military version hopped on the trailer to keep it company. What information is available on these little fellows? Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Thu Nov 11 12:15:44 2004 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:15:44 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz info wanted References: <110920041143.13555.3d00@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <003901c4c82b$53dd2f90$7094e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Ken /Curt After studing the picture of the Lorenz along with pictures on the internet and pictures that I have taken in Holland, I would tempt fate and say that this is a latter version of the Lorenz probably throttle goverend I give this view as it looks as if there is a fuel tap at the far side of the picture,also on my own Lorenz which is mid 1920's the governer is contained in a housing on the side shaft. The governer works on the exhaust rocker which is under the cylinder , also a rod operates the inlet valve on top of the cylinder. As to serial numbers these are stamped on every part of the big end bearing plus various small parts ( only the last 2 digits of the number are used ), no complete serial number was found on any place on our engine . To add to the confusion I have translated as best I can from a Lorenz book that is in Chech as follows ; Normal horse power 3 Maximum horse power 3.5 Speed 750 rpm Flywheel 650 mm diameter Weight 240 kg on original steel trolley Bore 100mm diameter Stroke 200mm long See you later Craig Morrison ( Scotland ) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz info wanted > Ken, > For sure that is an early Lorenz then mine or most of the ones I know of here > in the states. If like the later engines tell him to exam the crank under the > rear housing and there should be a serial number stamped there some where. > Maybe Arnie Fero can give some insight on dating it since he has the registry. > Curt Andree > > Can anyone help this fellow in South Africa with any info on this > > presumably later model Lorenz? There is no name plate, so model > > and serial numbers are missing. > > http://www.oldiron-nut.com/temp/lorenz2.jpg > > > > Please pass any info on to me and I will forward it to him. > > > > Thank you and take care. > > > > > > Ken Christison > > christison at coastalnet.com > > www.oldiron-nut.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BetCleve321 at aol.com Thu Nov 11 14:37:35 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:37:35 EST Subject: [SEL] Stover engine dealer info needed Message-ID: <1ea.2f490ac1.2ec543af@aol.com> In a message dated 11/11/2004 10:45:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, cgandree at mchsi.com writes: Looking for any info on the Gerherd & Hey Co.,NY,NY who purchased large amounts of Stover engines between 1913 to 1920. They later changed their name to Echard & Hey Co. Wondering if any one out east might not beable to help me. thankyou in advance, Curt Andree Well, Wallmart is the local Stover dealer here. Trouble is, they don't do the service on 'em. You have to go the local A-1-A John Deere tractor dealer for service. Warranty work is real slow, I hear. That's why I went ahead and got an Inter M engine. Tractor supply sells Farmall stuff. Skip From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Nov 10 18:42:42 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:42:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dstrojan In-Reply-To: <13f.60cc350.2ec418e0@aol.com> References: <13f.60cc350.2ec418e0@aol.com> Message-ID: <5C5B23C0-338B-11D9-91C3-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> I remember him as Tommy Stojanov. Haven't "talked" to him in a while. Try Googling on his name and see what turns up. John On Nov 10, 2004, at 8:22 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Anyone heard from Tommy Dstrojan lately or know if he has changed his > email > address? I usually see him on my buddy list and chat once in a while, > but have > not seen or heard from him in quite a few weeks now. Have sent him 2 > emails > in the last two weeks, and no answer there either. Last known address > is: > Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com > > Just curious that he is doing ok. > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 11 04:53:19 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 06:53:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2004 References: Message-ID: <003301c4c7ed$6da3bb80$210110ac@PaulMaples> Unbelievable..............Curt you have made history, do you realize you have caught the ICON without his suspenders???, this is truly history making. Great pictures and captions, thanks for all of the time and effort it took to take and process the pictures so the rest of us could enjoy the show. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 6:29 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2004 > Fantastic pictures Curt!! Thanks for taking and posting them. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > =============== > >>From: Curt >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: SEL >>Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2004 >>Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:12:42 -0500 >> >>Well I finally got a few pictures from Cotton Ginning Days 2004 up on our From carrowor2002 at att.net Thu Nov 11 10:06:24 2004 From: carrowor2002 at att.net (Robert Jacobs) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:06:24 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] (no subject) References: <004001c4c818$27a9db70$6401a8c0@shop> Message-ID: <4193AA20.000001.01948@NOTEBOOK> Thank You Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! Carrowor2002 at att.net -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 11/11/04 13:00:28 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Thanks to all our vet,s out there Don in ohio 23443572 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Nov 11 16:55:56 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:55:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit References: <20041111.135358.1084.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <003201c4c852$5fa15aa0$95b3f504@x8h7l9> Hello Ron. I had a Hercules Power Unit follow me home too. It is a 1945 Hobart PE-197, S/N 053. The engine is a 4 cylinder Hercules Model ZXB. The output is 120 Volt and 52 Amps, or 6.3 Kva. It will be a while before I can restore it, but I need help finding a manual. It looks like the one that was by the SEL tent at Portland; was that Jim Dunmyer's ????? Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 4:53 PM Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit > Hi all. > Last weekend at the Tulare swap meet a cute little Hercules Power unit > followed me home. Model ZXB, serial no. 302475. A military version > hopped on the trailer to keep it company. What information is available > on these little fellows? Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Nov 11 17:02:37 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:02:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: [HerculesEnginesGroup] J mixer for 5 hp herc / posted toSEL. References: <4193D18C.9010004@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003f01c4c853$4fdde740$95b3f504@x8h7l9> Curt, If the Herc List might be of help with a 4 cylinder Model ZXB, I would appreciate a link to it. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: ; "SEL" Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 3:54 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: [HerculesEnginesGroup] J mixer for 5 hp herc / posted toSEL. > Rich, > One hell of a project you have just finished! I am going to copy this > over to the Stationary Engine List because many will find this project > very interesting. I hope you would consider joining the SEL in addition > to the Herc List you are already on. You can join with this link. > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > I'm assuming you used the steriolithography technology or something > similiar to make your mixer from the solid model you drew in CAD. By > having this capability you are in an excellent position to go ahead and > make a pattern and core box and cast yourself a brand new cast iron > mixer. You'll just need to scale your pattern 1.0104 X and add about a > 2" extension of the ID of the mixer for your core to be held in. > > Having this technology available puts you in the enviable position to > easily make patterns for your replacement parts for your antique gas > engines. Core boxes are particularly difficult and this technology would > greatly simplify the process. > Hope to see you on the SEL soon. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > on the web at http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/ > > > sachs682000 wrote: > > > Thought you all might be interested in a project I tried that worked > >out well. I have a 5 hp E model herc that was in really bad shape > >when I got it. After completely going thru it and bringing it back to > >life I still had a problem with the J mixer. It was so corroded and > >pitted that I thought maybe this was the problem with the way the > >engine ran. So I sat down at the computer with my Pro Engineer > >modeling program and proceeded to draw up a model of the mixer. > > After several days of getting it just right, I sent the file to my > >modeling machine in the shop where I work and reproduced an exact > >duplicate of the mixer. Here is the kicker, It is made out of > >polycarbonate, basically a white colored plexiglass. After putting in > >heli-coils for the needle valve threads and the fuel line attach > >point, I removed the original mixer from the engine and attached the > >new "model" mixer and it ran perfectly. I ran it for a little over 4 > >hours and it worked without a hitch. The fuel didn't seem to bother > >it at all. I thought it might eat the Poly material but it didn't. I > >realise it is not original but at least now I know I need to find a > >new mixer. > > I also made a crank guard the same way. But I didn't have an > >original to go by, I only had a picture in a book. It didn't come out > >looking just right but only someone that is really into the hobby > >would notice. I don't really think anyone could tell the difference > >in the mixer. Anyway, just thought I pass this on. > > > > Rich Reed > >Southern Maryland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Nov 11 21:32:54 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:32:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] "OT" Worth a look. Message-ID: <003201c4c879$0ffb9340$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hi all, Haven't tried it yet, but looks pretty good to me. Way OT yes. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11835495~mode=flat Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Nov 12 04:29:52 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:29:52 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit Message-ID: This is the one that belonged to Jim. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-17.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-18.jpg Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ==================== >From: "ED" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules power unit >Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:55:56 -0500 > >Hello Ron. > >I had a Hercules Power Unit follow me home too. It is a 1945 Hobart PE-197, >S/N 053. The engine is a 4 cylinder Hercules Model ZXB. The output is 120 >Volt and 52 Amps, or 6.3 Kva. It will be a while before I can restore it, >but I need help finding a manual. It looks like the one that was by the SEL >tent at Portland; was that Jim Dunmyer's ????? > >Ed Stoller >New Fairfield, CT > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: ; >Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 4:53 PM >Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit > > > > Hi all. > > Last weekend at the Tulare swap meet a cute little Hercules Power unit > > followed me home. Model ZXB, serial no. 302475. A military version > > hopped on the trailer to keep it company. What information is available > > on these little fellows? Thanks. > > > > Ron Haskell > > rdhaskell at juno.com > > Riverside, California > > USA > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 11 09:15:27 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:15:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan References: Message-ID: <005801c4c812$0b91fd60$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/jd/jdcrankcase2.JPG very clean , next time lay the paper on this pretty iron flange , with the round end of a ball pien tap out a bolt hole at 10 o'clock put a bolt in the hole and then do the one 180 degrees out once you have a bolt in all four corners .either finish cutting it with the hammer or rub the paper over the edge of the casting with the hammer or a spoon or something leaving an impression Most gaskets I make get cut with the hammer , not doing a lot of GSXR's anymore puro iron alla time > Thanks Spencer. I take a piece of white paper and lay it on the cast. Then > with greasy fingers I run my fingers over all of the edges and holes. It > leaves a perfect outline on the paper. Then I cut out the greasy tracing > with some scissors. Take the template and tape it onto the cork gasket > material and cut it out with a razor knife. I used a straight edge to cut > the straight portions. For the holes I used a hollowed out punch looking > deal. From edstoller at earthlink.net Fri Nov 12 06:45:27 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:45:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit References: Message-ID: <001701c4c8c6$41e4a5c0$e0b6f504@x8h7l9> Thank You Luke. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules power unit > This is the one that belonged to Jim. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-17.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-18.jpg > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ==================== > > >From: "ED" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules power unit > >Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:55:56 -0500 > > > >Hello Ron. > > > >I had a Hercules Power Unit follow me home too. It is a 1945 Hobart PE-197, > >S/N 053. The engine is a 4 cylinder Hercules Model ZXB. The output is 120 > >Volt and 52 Amps, or 6.3 Kva. It will be a while before I can restore it, > >but I need help finding a manual. It looks like the one that was by the SEL > >tent at Portland; was that Jim Dunmyer's ????? > > > >Ed Stoller > >New Fairfield, CT > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: ; > >Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 4:53 PM > >Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit > > > > > > > Hi all. > > > Last weekend at the Tulare swap meet a cute little Hercules Power unit > > > followed me home. Model ZXB, serial no. 302475. A military version > > > hopped on the trailer to keep it company. What information is available > > > on these little fellows? Thanks. > > > > > > Ron Haskell > > > rdhaskell at juno.com > > > Riverside, California > > > USA > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Nov 12 08:08:08 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 08:08:08 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit Message-ID: <20041112.080808.174.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Luke. This one is double the size of mine. Mine is 2 3/8" bore and 3" stroke. Four cylinders. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ n Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:29:52 +0000 "Luke Tonneberger" writes: > This is the one that belonged to Jim. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-17.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-18.jpg > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ==================== From edstoller at earthlink.net Fri Nov 12 08:46:26 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:46:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit References: <20041112.080808.174.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <002a01c4c8d7$28675140$e0b6f504@x8h7l9> Ron, My 4 Cylinder Hercules , Model ZXB, S/N 1159763 has a bore of 2 5/8 ( vs your 2 3/8 ) and a stroke of 3 inches. RPM is 1800. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron D Haskell" To: Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules power unit > Thanks Luke. > This one is double the size of mine. Mine is 2 3/8" bore and 3" stroke. > Four cylinders. > > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside California USA > http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ > > n Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:29:52 +0000 "Luke Tonneberger" > writes: > > This is the one that belonged to Jim. > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-17.jpg > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-18.jpg From segray at mlode.com Fri Nov 12 09:08:12 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:08:12 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit In-Reply-To: <002a01c4c8d7$28675140$e0b6f504@x8h7l9> References: <20041112.080808.174.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <002a01c4c8d7$28675140$e0b6f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <4194EDFC.4070103@mlode.com> Per Hercules, the ZXA was a 2 1/2" x 3", while the ZXB was 2 5/8" x 3" as of July 1957. Only differences between the two were the block, head and pistons. Pistons ordered could be CI or Aluminum, and 3 different heads could be ordered: standard 6:1, 4000 Ft elev. 6.9:1, and a 7000 Ft elev. 7.5:1. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com ED wrote: >Ron, > >My 4 Cylinder Hercules , Model ZXB, S/N 1159763 has a bore of 2 5/8 ( vs >your 2 3/8 ) and a stroke of 3 inches. RPM is 1800. > >Ed > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ron D Haskell" >To: >Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 11:08 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules power unit > > > > >>Thanks Luke. >>This one is double the size of mine. Mine is 2 3/8" bore and 3" stroke. >>Four cylinders. >> >> >>Ron Haskell >>rdhaskell at juno.com >>Riverside California USA >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ >> >>n Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:29:52 +0000 "Luke Tonneberger" >> writes: >> >> >>>This is the one that belonged to Jim. >>> >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-17.jpg >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-18.jpg >>> >>> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Nov 12 09:23:04 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:23:04 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit Message-ID: <20041112.092304.174.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Ed. You are probably correct, I am working from memory and most likely mine is 2 5/8" Ron On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:46:26 -0500 "ED" writes: > Ron, > > My 4 Cylinder Hercules , Model ZXB, S/N 1159763 has a bore of 2 5/8 > ( vs > your 2 3/8 ) and a stroke of 3 inches. RPM is 1800. > > Ed From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Nov 12 09:48:36 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:48:36 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit Message-ID: <20041112.094837.174.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Steve. I printed this off for future reference. The 1957 part, do you know the years they were made? Obviously they were still being made in ' 57. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:08:12 -0800 Steve Gray writes: > Per Hercules, the ZXA was a 2 1/2" x 3", while the ZXB was 2 5/8" x > 3" > as of July 1957. Only differences between the two were the block, > head > and pistons. Pistons ordered could be CI or Aluminum, and 3 > different > heads could be ordered: standard 6:1, 4000 Ft elev. 6.9:1, and a > 7000 Ft > elev. 7.5:1. > > - Steve > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Nov 12 10:03:18 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:03:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz info wanted In-Reply-To: <003901c4c82b$53dd2f90$7094e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <200411121803.iACI3NFu024525@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > also on my own Lorenz which is mid 1920's the > governer is contained > in a housing on the side shaft. The governer works on the > exhaust rocker which is under the cylinder , > also a rod operates the inlet valve on top of > the cylinder. Hi Craig, Is that the same Lorenz of which you had the photographs last August? At the time, I thought it looked similar to ours, but we have a continuously operated exhaust valve, and the governor works on the intake. > Speed 750 rpm Shazzam! That spec must be for metric rpm's. Even though it's well balanced, there's no way I'd get near that engine if it was running at 750 SAE rpm's!!! Rob P.S. Is your Lorenz featured on the Online Lorenz Registry? From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 12 12:21:54 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:21:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fred Dibnah References: Message-ID: <013a01c4c8f5$40beb800$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> I'll remember most about Fred was the impish twinkle in his eye as he > described sinking that backyard mineshaft without any council permits or > permission. My kinda bloke. 8-)) > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/yank1.htm Is his industrial heritage site gone , or moved ? Dolly's link icht kaput From shop at cccomm.net Fri Nov 12 13:27:08 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:27:08 -0800 Subject: [SEL] John Deere H Message-ID: <010d01c4c8fe$5e632220$6501a8c0@Shop> I have taken on a project for an acquaintance that owns this H. He has had it apart for more than 5 years and admitted that he was in over his head. He purchased th overhaul kit and has had the head an valves done. What I need to know if anybody out there knows what in intake/exhaust clearances are and what the rods bearings should be set at. Thanks in advance Dave From hunterrowe at btinternet.com Fri Nov 12 13:40:55 2004 From: hunterrowe at btinternet.com (ANDREW HUNTER-ROWE) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:40:55 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Fred Dibnah In-Reply-To: <013a01c4c8f5$40beb800$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/programmes/dibnah/ Heres a link to his BBC site -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sent: 12 November 2004 20:22 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fred Dibnah I'll remember most about Fred was the impish twinkle in his eye as he > described sinking that backyard mineshaft without any council permits or > permission. My kinda bloke. 8-)) > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/yank1.htm Is his industrial heritage site gone , or moved ? Dolly's link icht kaput _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri Nov 12 13:58:03 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:58:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Any one near Lansing, MI/Sunfield, MI Message-ID: <20041112215803.92070.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Hello If any one on the list is near the Lansing/Sunfield MI area, please let me know Tonight. Email me off list with your phone and I will call you. Thanks Steve From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Nov 12 16:22:22 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:22:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairmont engine question Message-ID: <006a01c4c916$d8dbbf40$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hi all, If you can help with this contact him direct. Not a list member. "Anyone have any experience with a 2 stroke OD-B Fairmont engine? 1944 vintage. Gus Colorado Springs" Gus and Mary Mocilac E-mail Address(es): gus_mary at adelphia.net Thanks, Jeff Allen From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Nov 12 16:32:22 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:32:22 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit Message-ID: <20041112.163223.1012.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I put up some pictures of the Hercules Power unit at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31489102&f=0 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From edstoller at earthlink.net Fri Nov 12 16:45:52 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:45:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit References: Message-ID: <008301c4c91a$228cc500$e0b6f504@x8h7l9> Hello Jim Dunmyer , Do you have your ears on? We are talking about you. What is the model number of your Hercules powered plant? Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules power unit > This is the one that belonged to Jim. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-17.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-18.jpg > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ==================== > > >From: "ED" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules power unit > >Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:55:56 -0500 > > > >Hello Ron. > > > >I had a Hercules Power Unit follow me home too. It is a 1945 Hobart PE-197, > >S/N 053. The engine is a 4 cylinder Hercules Model ZXB. The output is 120 > >Volt and 52 Amps, or 6.3 Kva. It will be a while before I can restore it, > >but I need help finding a manual. It looks like the one that was by the SEL > >tent at Portland; was that Jim Dunmyer's ????? > > > >Ed Stoller > >New Fairfield, CT > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: ; > >Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 4:53 PM > >Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit > > > > > > > Hi all. > > > Last weekend at the Tulare swap meet a cute little Hercules Power unit > > > followed me home. Model ZXB, serial no. 302475. A military version > > > hopped on the trailer to keep it company. What information is available > > > on these little fellows? Thanks. > > > > > > Ron Haskell > > > rdhaskell at juno.com > > > Riverside, California > > > USA > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Nov 12 18:40:14 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 13:40:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Want to swap tractors? Need a front end loader? Live in Victoria Aus? Message-ID: <4195740E.1060808@steamengine.com.au> I am looking for a Farmall Cub or Farmall A or small Fergie (or some other small tractor with good 1st gear torque) in running condition. Looks are not an issue - it can be as ugly as you like but I need it to run. Minor problems are fine - I can deal with most things outside an engine or gearbox rebuild! It does not need to have ROPS. I don't need hydraulics. I have an McCormick AW-6 tractor with hydraulic front end loader (similar to a Inter Super 6, but built in Australia at the McCormick plant) which runs. The governor connection to the carb needs attention as the engine will now only run fast (used to govern just fine when I got it a year or so ago). The starter motor sometimes does and sometimes does not. The engine itself is very good - no funny noises or vibrations. The front rubber is shot (one sorta ok, one flat). The rear rubber would do for anything not muddy. The hydraulics are low pressure and not amazingly brilliant but work. The tin on the radiator and bonnet are rust free and could be restored. The wings over the wheels are missing. The kerosene ability is gone (runs on petrol). Air cleaner is original oil bath. Starting tank is there but rusted. Gearbox is good, 5 forward and 1 reverse. Brakes are ok but would need new bands for any really serious use (although they've been ok on my 1:4 rising block!). There is no ROPS. I used the tractor to level out my shed and house sites on my block, but it is much to big for the only use I have for it now (moving my engines around). I thought about restoring it for show, but it is too big for me to economically transport. People interested should really be in Victoria Australia, preferably the Eastern side of Melbourne. The tractor is located in the town of Emerald, in the Dandenong Ranges, Emerald Victoria. If you are reasonably nearby I'd cover the cost of the truck to bring the tractor and take yours - if you are further away, then the transport would be your problem! http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/tractors/identify-me/pics/DSC06089.JPG E-mail me directly off list for more information or more pics. If I don't get any offers of a swap, then I'll be selling it and buying something myself. Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From b2 at chooka.net Fri Nov 12 20:00:09 2004 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 22:00:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] John Deere H References: <010d01c4c8fe$5e632220$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <004d01c4c935$455f4e20$650aa8c0@BILLPC> both valves .015 hot rod bearings .001 - .003 B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, Minnesota USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "Engine List" Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 3:27 PM Subject: [SEL] John Deere H I have taken on a project for an acquaintance that owns this H. He has had it apart for more than 5 years and admitted that he was in over his head. He purchased th overhaul kit and has had the head an valves done. What I need to know if anybody out there knows what in intake/exhaust clearances are and what the rods bearings should be set at. Thanks in advance Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Sat Nov 13 14:02:14 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 22:02:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit / Jim Dunmyer Message-ID: Ed, I'm not sure if Jim is on the SEL or not. I copied this over to the oldengine.org list. Maybe he can contact you direct if he's not on the SEL. Jim, Please read attached messages in regards to your power plant you had at Portland this year. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =================== >From: "ED" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules power unit >Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:45:52 -0500 > >Hello Jim Dunmyer , > > Do you have your ears on? We are talking about you. What is the model >number of your Hercules powered plant? > >Ed Stoller >New Fairfield, CT > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Luke Tonneberger" >To: >Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 7:29 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules power unit > > > > This is the one that belonged to Jim. > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-17.jpg > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-18.jpg > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA > > ==================== > > > > >From: "ED" > > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > > > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules power unit > > >Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:55:56 -0500 > > > > > >Hello Ron. > > > > > >I had a Hercules Power Unit follow me home too. It is a 1945 Hobart >PE-197, > > >S/N 053. The engine is a 4 cylinder Hercules Model ZXB. The output is >120 > > >Volt and 52 Amps, or 6.3 Kva. It will be a while before I can restore >it, > > >but I need help finding a manual. It looks like the one that was by the >SEL > > >tent at Portland; was that Jim Dunmyer's ????? > > > > > >Ed Stoller > > >New Fairfield, CT > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: > > >To: ; > > >Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 4:53 PM > > >Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit > > > > > > > > > > Hi all. > > > > Last weekend at the Tulare swap meet a cute little Hercules Power >unit > > > > followed me home. Model ZXB, serial no. 302475. A military version > > > > hopped on the trailer to keep it company. What information is >available > > > > on these little fellows? Thanks. > > > > > > > > Ron Haskell > > > > rdhaskell at juno.com > > > > Riverside, California > > > > USA > > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From flywheelin at hotmail.com Sat Nov 13 14:08:21 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 22:08:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] John Deere H Message-ID: Hi Dave, If nobody can help you out, you might want to join the John Deere list that ATIS hosts. I've been on it for a couple months since buying a GP. Seems to be some pretty knowledgable guys on there. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================== >From: "Dave Ernst" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Engine List" >Subject: [SEL] John Deere H >Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:27:08 -0800 > >I have taken on a project for an acquaintance that owns this H. He has had >it apart for more than 5 years and admitted that he was in over his head. >He purchased th overhaul kit and has had the head an valves done. What I >need to know if anybody out there knows what in intake/exhaust clearances >are and what the rods bearings should be set at. > >Thanks in advance >Dave From shop at cccomm.net Sat Nov 13 14:52:33 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:52:33 -0800 Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines Message-ID: <018701c4c9d3$789c05f0$6501a8c0@Shop> I posted a while back about restoring a couple of Hercules built Economy engines and painting them something different than usual, like yellow. One person said he had stomach problems over it, so now there are two to look at! Still have skids and carts to build along with some red pinstriping, but I think they surely will draw comments at the shows they will be attending. pics at http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009545 Under Bob's Hercules and Hercules Restoration albums. Dave From alanb2 at webtv.net Sat Nov 13 15:28:44 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:28:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines In-Reply-To: "Dave Ernst" 's message of Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:52:33 -0800 Message-ID: <4339-419698AC-4882@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net> Hi Dave, Yup, I'm quite sure there are a couple nice engines hidden under that crappy colored paint. I wouldn't paint an engine if I didn't have the right paint. Yes,,, until they pass into the possesion of someone that will paint them the right color that ugly paint should keep them from rusting back up. Just my opinion, 8>)) Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Nov 13 19:12:12 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:12:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines References: <018701c4c9d3$789c05f0$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <002b01c4c9f7$bcceefc0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Dave, I have followed your posts on this, and my opinion of the color has not changed. I won't repeat the analogy I made. You have done a fine job on the engines and you have some thick skin to keep posting. Love your engines and hate the color. Run em and enjoy em. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:52 PM Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines I posted a while back about restoring a couple of Hercules built Economy engines and painting them something different than usual, like yellow. One person said he had stomach problems over it, so now there are two to look at! Still have skids and carts to build along with some red pinstriping, but I think they surely will draw comments at the shows they will be attending. pics at http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009545 Under Bob's Hercules and Hercules Restoration albums. Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net Sat Nov 13 19:08:13 2004 From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 22:08:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Auction results In-Reply-To: <006101c4b956$6efa25f0$6401a8c0@office> References: <006101c4b956$6efa25f0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <4196CC1D.7020407@zoominternet.net> John, You live in Westminster? Been spending lots of time that way with my job. Have 3 clients from the Liberty Road area. Ed John Cullom wrote: > Hi folks, > Went to a local auction today here in Westminster. I would've > needed to > get a 2nd mortgage on my house to be playing in the same league as the > buyers there. > Aermotor 8 cycle, original - $1200 > Foos 11hp, restored - $17,000 > New Holland 3hp (low serial #), restored - $14,000 > New Holland 4hp, high base, original - $4,400 > New Holland 5hp, original, on trucks - $5,500 > New Holland 1 1/2hp single flywheel, restored, on cart - $6,000 > New Holland 2hp, restored, on cart - $5,400 > Titan 2hp upright, restored on cart - $4,100 > Titan 6hp, restored, on trucks - $6,000 > Mogul 1hp, restored on cart - $1,600 > International "M", 1 1/2hp original, on cart - $950 > Middletown 1 1/2hp "Woodpecker", original on cart - $2,300 > Sattley 3hp, original, on cart - $1,200 > New Idea 1 1/2 - 2 1/2hp "Vari Speed", restored, on cart - $1,400 > > and....... > > John Deere 1 1/2hp, original - $3,300 > > yes, that's correct, $3,300 > > Here's some pics......... > > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos1.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos2.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos3.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/IHm.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/Sattley.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/newholland5hp.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/newholland4hp.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/Titanupright.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/titan6hp.jpg > > Just behind the Sattley, you can see the Gold plated Deere............ > > > John Cullom > Westminster, Md. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Nov 14 01:01:56 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:01:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Vertical Stover Rings Message-ID: <200411140901.iAE91ufv076770@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Here is a quick question for those of you who have vertical Stovers. How many piston rings does your engine have? My YC and YB have four as does Ron's YB and Edd's YB but the piston we pulled out of Ron's spare YC barrel today has three! It is an original piston and is the same as my other YC piston but it has one less ring. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From brianne at ultratune.com.au Sun Nov 14 02:18:18 2004 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:18:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] IH 3m Engine References: <000801c497ab$d90fa720$9954dccb@t2c0r9> <2FAF1C42-03A6-11D9-A5B1-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <007201c49c94$aae14780$22c5dccb@t2c0r9> Message-ID: <001201c4ca33$47508a60$7b55dccb@pcuser> Hi Guys Re-assembly is happening! IH 3m stationary engine Could you please give me an idea of some of the basic settings for: 1. Inlet valve spring tension adjustment? 2. Exhaust valve clearance? 3. Initial setting for petrol valve? (1 1/2 turns out?) 4. Governor initial spring tension length? 5. When starting for the first time, would you crank with choke fully on? We do not appear to have any sort of retainer for the gland packing for the fuel pump rod. I saw mentioned somewhere that it has a brass nut or similar to hold the packing in position??? I will post some pics on the net when she is running. I will also take some pics of some of the other stuff that the Museum has and which may be of interest to everyone. Many Thanks Brian (Hervey Bay...QLD..Australia) From plb at iinet.net.au Sun Nov 14 03:19:42 2004 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:19:42 +0800 Subject: [SEL] IH 3m Engine References: <000801c497ab$d90fa720$9954dccb@t2c0r9><2FAF1C42-03A6-11D9-A5B1-00039352D07A@chartertn.net><007201c49c94$aae14780$22c5dccb@t2c0r9> <001201c4ca33$47508a60$7b55dccb@pcuser> Message-ID: <02c201c4ca3b$d6a279f0$0201010a@Portable> Brian,other's will hopefully add their own thoughts but this worked for me. Inlet valve spring tension. Trial and error. It will depend on how good your valve stem clearance is and how well the butterfly seals in the mixer. Exhaust valve. Don't think it matters much as long as its plenty.Mine has clearance at the valve and also on the pushrod on the other side. Petrol Valve. Mine runs well at around a third of a turn but it will depend on any wear on the needle and jet. Give it plenty and you will soon see plenty of black smoke if its running rich. Govenor springs Mine are backed right off to allow the engine to run slow. Choke Mine likes full choke to start. Fuel pumps vary a bit but mine has a inverted cone retainer and its held down by a spring between the retainer and the lever that pushes it down. Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Taylor" To: Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 6:18 PM Subject: [SEL] IH 3m Engine > Hi Guys > Re-assembly is happening! > IH 3m stationary engine > Could you please give me an idea of some of the basic settings for: > 1. Inlet valve spring tension adjustment? > 2. Exhaust valve clearance? > 3. Initial setting for petrol valve? (1 1/2 turns out?) > 4. Governor initial spring tension length? > 5. When starting for the first time, would you crank with choke fully on? > > We do not appear to have any sort of retainer for the gland packing for > the fuel pump rod. > I saw mentioned somewhere that it has a brass nut or similar to hold the > packing in position??? > > I will post some pics on the net when she is running. > I will also take some pics of some of the other stuff that the Museum has > and which may be of interest to everyone. > > Many Thanks > Brian (Hervey Bay...QLD..Australia) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Nov 14 04:22:44 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 12:22:44 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Vertical Stover Rings Message-ID: <111420041222.29471.7eae@mchsi.com> Patrick, My Stover 5hp, model "C", 1905 upright has only three rings and for sure its all orginal. Curt Andree > Here is a quick question for those of you who have vertical Stovers. How > many piston rings does your engine have? > My YC and YB have four as does Ron's YB and Edd's YB but the piston we > pulled out of Ron's spare YC barrel today has three! It is an original > piston and is the same as my other YC piston but it has one less ring. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From avanti_64 at juno.com Sun Nov 14 05:03:40 2004 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (Joe Kelley) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:03:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines Message-ID: <20041114.080342.-283729.0.avanti_64@juno.com> I didn't realize that the Economy engine was offered in an "industrial yellow"!!! They must have been ahead of their time (G, lol)... Joe Kelley On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:12:12 -0700 "Jeff Allen" writes: > Dave, > > I have followed your posts on this, and my opinion of the color has > not > changed. I won't repeat the analogy I made. You have done a fine job > on the > engines and you have some thick skin to keep posting. Love your > engines and > hate the color. Run em and enjoy em. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Ernst" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:52 PM > Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines > > > I posted a while back about restoring a couple of Hercules built > Economy > engines and painting them something different than usual, like > yellow. One > person said he had stomach problems over it, so now there are two to > look > at! > Still have skids and carts to build along with some red pinstriping, > but I > think they surely will draw comments at the shows they will be > attending. > pics at > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009545 > > Under Bob's Hercules and Hercules Restoration albums. > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > ________________________________________________________________ Juno Platinum $9.95. Juno SpeedBand $14.95. Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com! Look for special offers at Best Buy stores. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sun Nov 14 05:55:33 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 14:55:33 +0100 Subject: [SEL] IH 3m Engine References: <000801c497ab$d90fa720$9954dccb@t2c0r9><2FAF1C42-03A6-11D9-A5B1-00039352D07A@chartertn.net><007201c49c94$aae14780$22c5dccb@t2c0r9> <001201c4ca33$47508a60$7b55dccb@pcuser> Message-ID: <000701c4ca51$9c500c70$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Brian, what 3hp M do you have? An ignitor, Am.Bosch or a Wico fired. Let me know and I could tell the the right adjustments. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Hi Guys > Re-assembly is happening! > IH 3m stationary engine > Could you please give me an idea of some of the basic settings for: > 1. Inlet valve spring tension adjustment? > 2. Exhaust valve clearance? > 3. Initial setting for petrol valve? (1 1/2 turns out?) > 4. Governor initial spring tension length? > 5. When starting for the first time, would you crank with choke fully on? > > We do not appear to have any sort of retainer for the gland packing for the > fuel pump rod. > I saw mentioned somewhere that it has a brass nut or similar to hold the > packing in position??? > > I will post some pics on the net when she is running. > I will also take some pics of some of the other stuff that the Museum has > and which may be of interest to everyone. > > Many Thanks > Brian (Hervey Bay...QLD..Australia) > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Todengine at aol.com Sun Nov 14 06:12:04 2004 From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 09:12:04 EST Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Progress Report Message-ID: Hello List, I can't believe I've been on this list for off and on over the last 9 years. Still plugging away at the Tod Engine project. I just got our building permit from the City of Youngstown for the construction of the Tod Engine Heritage Park. We have over 300,000 lbs. of parts moved to the heritage park site but still have four giant pieces left to move. That's next year's project. I have been working at a foundry for over a year now since I left the employ of CSX Transportation, and couldn't be happier. The glamour of riding the rails at 60 mph in control of 12,000 horsepower and tugging on 10,000 tons of Chinese imports in containers is more than nullified by sitting in a ratty Chicago hotel for 12 to 18 hours at a time and the uncertainty of when I will get called to work. Now that I am back home in good old Youngstown I've been able to spend much more time working on the Tod Engine and even found time for a family life, resulting in the October 28th marriage to my lovely wife Zara. Working at a foundry has allowed me to do something that I have always wanted, that is to start my own business. I am in the beginning stages of forming a small foundry that will cater to the production of reproduction castings for hobbyists and restorers. I am already working on jobs for two list members one of which is the result of last year's ATIS Charity Auction (Spencer your parts will be in the mail this week!) This new foundry is to be called the Tod Engine Works and will actually be a subsidiary of the Tod Engine Foundation, with the profits going toward the preservation of the Tod Engine and operation of the Tod Engine Heritage Park. The foundry is being set up in our leased building at the Castlo Industrial Park in Struthers, and will be able to provide both ductile and grey iron castings up to about 50 lbs.initially, and with the completion of a larger iron melting furnace we could go up to 150 lbs. We also would have the ability of melting brass and bronze up to about 50 lbs. If castings are required larger than this or made from another metal such as steel, stainless or heat resisting alloys, I can do this work through the foundry that I currently work at. I would prefer to work with actual patterns, but if you have a casting that needs replaced and if its not too complex I may be able to use an original as a pattern. Also if you don't have a pattern and if I work from a casting please be aware that the resulting casting will be tad bit shorter than the original. Iron shrinks upon solidification about 1/8" per foot so if you want a 20" flywheel remade from an original casting it will come out at about 19 3/4" diameter. That could be overcome by making a ring to go around the outside of the wheel to compensate and add some machine stock. I also have a few older machine tools that still need set up and restored, but when that is done I could offer limited machining services. Our largest lathe has a swing of 24" and a 16' bed, and is a historic piece itself dating from 1905. Anyways, back to the Tod Engine. I have set a goal of raising $17,000 for next year's work on her reassembly, which includes about $10,000 for crane and rigging services, $3,000 for concrete work and $4,000 for extension of electrical service to the heritage park site. That's after I pay the $3,000 bill to the architect. I still can't believe that we have spent over $60,000 on the engine over the last eight years, and she still isn't back together yet! Head over to our website at www.todengine.org and take a look at our webshots page which is where I put all the up to date progress photos. The link is at the top of the homepage. BTW if any list members happen to by passing through the Youngstown area and want to see the engine please email me and I'll provide directions to the heritage park site. Thanks Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH www.todengine.org From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Nov 14 06:57:25 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 09:57:25 EST Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines Message-ID: <1c7.20944bd3.2ec8cc55@aol.com> In a message dated 11/13/2004 5:53:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, shop at cccomm.net writes: << I posted a while back about restoring a couple of Hercules built Economy engines and painting them something different than usual, like yellow >> Dave, Beautiful engines! Paint them any color you like as long as it suits you! I have been painting mine rust lately. Suits me just fine and they seem to run ok that way too. Great looking shop you have! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From yostsw at atis.net Sun Nov 14 07:43:38 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 10:43:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Progress Report In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200411141043380046.5C243C8F@heavyiron.atis.net> >one of which is the result of last year's ATIS Charity Auction (Spencer >your parts will be in the mail this week!) > Thanks! Looking forward to them and congrats on the Tod project! Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Nov 14 07:57:40 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:57:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old Chevy 4 cyl. Message-ID: Howdy from chilly Mt. Just found a real old (early 1900?) Chevy 4 cyl. OHV, exposed push rods, simple updraft carb, ONE exhaust port out of the head..yup it's kewl, and has an electric starter. Any info on this engine? It turns over, but no compression. He wants 75 rockets. Also has the "cone clutch." TIA RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Nov 14 09:10:25 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:10:25 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Geoff Challinor & Anson engine museum win awards. Message-ID: <000d01c4ca6c$d6f20340$6b856ad5@no1> Hi, I am passing on some terrific news about Geoff Challinor (but he doesn't know I am doing it - he would be far too modest to tell you this himself). Everyone at the museum is bursting with pride and we want to share our news so I have written and sent out a press release (below). Do pass on the news to anyone I may have missed as Geoff deserves his few minutes in the limelight for a change. Margaret :-)))))) Chairman of the Anson Engine Museum Receives Prestigious Accolade Geoff Challinor received a massive accolade at the Cheshire Awards for Tourism Skills at The Mere Gold and Country Club on Thursday 11th November. He was awarded the "Commitment To Industry", prize. At a glittering award ceremony for the Cheshire Awards for Tourism Skills (CATS) 2004, a packed room of over 300 managers, professionals and employees from the North West's Tourism Industry, were spellbound listening as the shortlist and then winners for each category were read out. In the "Tourism Team of the Year" category, the Anson Engine Museum's "Gardner Exhibition Team" was among the 12 nominees. The team was rewarded for all their hard work and dedication by picking up a Bronze certificate. Fantastic achievement for a group of volunteers who were pitched against some of the major tourism and hospitality sites in the county. An even more hotly contested category was for the individual who had shown loyalty, commitment and whose contribution to the industry has been exceptional. Geoff Challinor, chairman of the Museum, was the winner of the "Commitment To Industry" award. He picked up the Gold certificate, an engraved trophy and a map showing where in the constellation of Perseus the star bought to remember the event "CATS 2004" will be shining. The judges were particularly impressed with Geoff's ability to inspire, coach and energise everyone he meets by his enthusiasm and willingness to share knowledge. His efforts have seen the museum grow from a private collection in a basic shed to a respected museum attracting visitors from across the world. All this on a shoestring budget and a workforce made up entirely of volunteers with no government subsidies or grants. The judges stated that "Geoff was an example to everyone" and paid tribute to his loyalty and dedication. The Museum has benefited from having such a friendly, welcoming host. Geoff spends hours talking to visitors, answering their many queries and starting the engines for them to view. His quiet, self-effacing, good-natured ways endear him to visitors and volunteers alike. As well as his own museum Geoff is often contacted for advice, and practical help, to strip or move engines for companies across the UK (eg Drainage Boards, Technical help for Manchester Science & Industry Museum, The National Trust). He was also the inspiration and key support to a friend of his to open a Stationary Engine Museum in Ceredigion, Wales last year. Geoff described the moment as one of the proudest in his life "I am honoured and humbled to receive this award. I am proud to accept it, not just on my behalf, but as an acknowledgement of the wonderful team I have working with me at the museum." He says he intends to have the two Award certificates on prominent display at the museum when it reopens for the 2005 season on Easter Sunday. --- Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Nov 14 09:32:43 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 09:32:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Progress Report In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200411141732.iAEHWoP1004790@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> >October 28th marriage to my lovely wife Zara. Congratulations ya ol' dawg! =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Nov 14 07:42:47 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 10:42:47 EST Subject: [SEL] O.T. - Check out AIM Manufacturing Videos and virtual factory tours Message-ID: <1cf.2cb57d2e.2ec8d6f7@aol.com> Hi: Here is a site that explains how various things are manufactured. It is very slow if you are using a modem but, it is worth it. Enjoy Click here: AIM Manufacturing Videos and virtual factory tours Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sun Nov 14 11:19:00 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 06:19:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Geoff Challinor & Anson engine museum win awards. References: <000d01c4ca6c$d6f20340$6b856ad5@no1> Message-ID: <001301c4ca7e$cd2c7770$20ac1dd3@km> G'Day Dave Not taking anything away from his Tourism award, well done, but now he may concentrate on getting some people skills. Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines ----- Original Message ----- > Hi, I am passing on some terrific news about Geoff Challinor (but he doesn't > know I am doing it - he would be far too modest to tell you this himself). > > Everyone at the museum is bursting with pride and we want to share our news > so I have written and sent out a press release (below). > > Do pass on the news to anyone I may have missed as Geoff deserves his few > minutes in the limelight for a change. > Margaret :-)))))) > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Nov 14 14:27:25 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 06:27:25 +0800 Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines References: <1c7.20944bd3.2ec8cc55@aol.com> Message-ID: <002e01c4ca99$21da2cd0$f5a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> For Christs sake Dave ......you paint them any colour you like ,don't let some '' know all '' start dictating colour schemes! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines > In a message dated 11/13/2004 5:53:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, > shop at cccomm.net writes: > > << I posted a while back about restoring a couple of Hercules built Economy > engines and painting them something different than usual, like yellow >> > > > Dave, > > Beautiful engines! Paint them any color you like as long as it suits you! I > have been painting mine rust lately. Suits me just fine and they seem to run > ok that way too. > > Great looking shop you have! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From BetCleve321 at aol.com Sun Nov 14 15:30:37 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:30:37 EST Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines Message-ID: <1d9.2fb968b8.2ec9449d@aol.com> In a message dated 11/14/2004 5:32:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, jopeter at omninet.net.au writes: For Christs sake Dave ......you paint them any colour you like ,don't let some '' know all '' start dictating colour schemes! I love this. It remindes me of the way things were about nine years ago. Ah. Those were the days. Skip From flywheelin at hotmail.com Sun Nov 14 17:00:33 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 01:00:33 +0000 Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines Message-ID: I like the color Dave. I bet the red striping will really set it off. Once they are finished and on carts, wheel them out into the sunshine. The red on the decals will probably get picked up better by the camera in some natural light. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============== >From: "Dave Ernst" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines >Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:52:33 -0800 > >I posted a while back about restoring a couple of Hercules built Economy >engines and painting them something different than usual, like yellow. One >person said he had stomach problems over it, so now there are two to look >at! >Still have skids and carts to build along with some red pinstriping, but I >think they surely will draw comments at the shows they will be attending. >pics at > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009545 > >Under Bob's Hercules and Hercules Restoration albums. > >Dave From cwja at telus.net Sun Nov 14 18:51:03 2004 From: cwja at telus.net (Jeff & Marja Allen) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:51:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] IH 3m Engine In-Reply-To: <001201c4ca33$47508a60$7b55dccb@pcuser> References: <000801c497ab$d90fa720$9954dccb@t2c0r9> <2FAF1C42-03A6-11D9-A5B1-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <007201c49c94$aae14780$22c5dccb@t2c0r9> <001201c4ca33$47508a60$7b55dccb@pcuser> Message-ID: <41981997.1000201@telus.net> Hi Brian, Just saw your post about IH engine. A trick I have found that has worked for the past four years on my two engines without a leak and full pump action is as follows. The tapered gland packing sleeve is fine but works better if you find a brass washer with the exact OD and ream it out to fit a sliding fit for the plunger. Put it beween the spring and the taper.More importantlly do not use regular graphite string packing!. Rather use a winding of tephlon packing sold for faucet repair in the kitchen and follow up with a few wraps of tephlon tape. The tephlon packs down to a gas tight fit but still has the lubricating qualities of tephlon and best of all costs almost nothing to buy. Beats the old graphite string and nobody knows you are using a modern replacement. The tephlon does not wash out like graphite and is self -lubricating. Works like a damn! Try it ! Brian Taylor wrote: > Hi Guys > Re-assembly is happening! > IH 3m stationary engine > Could you please give me an idea of some of the basic settings for: > 1. Inlet valve spring tension adjustment? > 2. Exhaust valve clearance? > 3. Initial setting for petrol valve? (1 1/2 turns out?) > 4. Governor initial spring tension length? > 5. When starting for the first time, would you crank with choke fully on? > > We do not appear to have any sort of retainer for the gland packing > for the fuel pump rod. > I saw mentioned somewhere that it has a brass nut or similar to hold > the packing in position??? > > I will post some pics on the net when she is running. > I will also take some pics of some of the other stuff that the Museum > has and which may be of interest to everyone. > > Many Thanks > Brian (Hervey Bay...QLD..Australia) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Jeff & Marja Allen cwja at telus.net Edmonton, Alberta, Canada http://members.moderndigital.net/jeff/ http://www.seniorcentre.org From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Nov 15 01:16:17 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:16:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. - Check out AIM Manufacturing Videos and virtual factorytours References: <1cf.2cb57d2e.2ec8d6f7@aol.com> Message-ID: <008901c4caf3$c429bd70$20ac1dd3@km> G'Day Francis Thanks for the great site, enjoyed some of the videos - the Mustang was great. Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines > Hi: > Here is a site that explains how various things are manufactured. It is very > slow if you are using a modem but, it is worth it. Enjoy > > Click here: AIM Manufacturing Videos and virtual factory tours > > > > From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Mon Nov 15 03:47:53 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:47:53 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: A pair of Economy Engines Message-ID: <20041115114753.89987.qmail@web41125.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Dave Tell the critics of your colour scheme to stick it up their arse. The Rosebery open crank (OZ copy of a F&J model N) that I restored for my kids has pink flywheels. That's because one of them is a girl. For the boy, he got the crankcase & hopper in mid blue and I got to choose yellow for the moving parts. It goes great, they are able to start it, and looks heaps better than all the green ones. Keep up the good work. Cheers Graham in Oz >From: "Dave Ernst" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines >Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:52:33 -0800 > >I posted a while back about restoring a couple of Hercules built Economy >engines and painting them something different than usual, like yellow. One >person said he had stomach problems over it, so now there are two to look >at! >Still have skids and carts to build along with some red pinstriping, but I >think they surely will draw comments at the shows they will be attending. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From hunterrowe at btinternet.com Mon Nov 15 04:27:37 2004 From: hunterrowe at btinternet.com (ANDREW HUNTER-ROWE) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:27:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [SEL] Re: A pair of Economy Engines In-Reply-To: <20041115114753.89987.qmail@web41125.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041115122737.6221.qmail@web86309.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I agree. I joined the forum because I am restoring a couple old old Petter Diesel engines so though it would be interesting and because of the mutual support and encouragement I would expect such a forum to provide. I don't think it is particualry helpful to anyone to be critical of what after all is a personal choice. I hope you enjoy your engines as much as i hope to enjoy mine when they are completed. Graham Harris wrote: Hi Dave Tell the critics of your colour scheme to stick it up their arse. The Rosebery open crank (OZ copy of a F&J model N) that I restored for my kids has pink flywheels. That's because one of them is a girl. For the boy, he got the crankcase & hopper in mid blue and I got to choose yellow for the moving parts. It goes great, they are able to start it, and looks heaps better than all the green ones. Keep up the good work. Cheers Graham in Oz >From: "Dave Ernst" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines >Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:52:33 -0800 > >I posted a while back about restoring a couple of Hercules built Economy >engines and painting them something different than usual, like yellow. One >person said he had stomach problems over it, so now there are two to look >at! >Still have skids and carts to build along with some red pinstriping, but I >think they surely will draw comments at the shows they will be attending. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Nov 15 04:45:06 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:45:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Re: A pair of Economy Engines References: <20041115122737.6221.qmail@web86309.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c4cb10$f2fb0970$f9a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Precisely Andrew.....and i am sure you will get whatever help ,advice etc that you request for your Petter restoration. For a start i have in my vast collection an old Petter book as would many others........any help if possible is there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANDREW HUNTER-ROWE" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: A pair of Economy Engines > I agree. > > I joined the forum because I am restoring a couple old old Petter Diesel engines so though it would be interesting and because of the mutual support and encouragement I would expect such a forum to provide. > > I don't think it is particualry helpful to anyone to be critical of what after all is a personal choice. > > I hope you enjoy your engines as much as i hope to enjoy mine when they are completed. > > Graham Harris wrote: > Hi Dave > > Tell the critics of your colour scheme to stick it up > their arse. The Rosebery open crank (OZ copy of a F&J > model N) that I restored for my kids has pink > flywheels. That's because one of them is a girl. For > the boy, he got the crankcase & hopper in mid blue and > I got to choose yellow for the moving parts. It goes > great, they are able to start it, and looks heaps > better than all the green ones. > > Keep up the good work. > > Cheers > > Graham in Oz > > > > >From: "Dave Ernst" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > >Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines > >Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:52:33 -0800 > > > >I posted a while back about restoring a couple of > Hercules built > Economy > >engines and painting them something different than > usual, like > yellow. One > >person said he had stomach problems over it, so now > there are > two to look > >at! > >Still have skids and carts to build along with some > red > pinstriping, but I > >think they surely will draw comments at the shows > they will be > attending. > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Nov 15 05:05:28 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:05:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit / oil filters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4198A998.1030605@imc-group.com> Luke, Ron, Ed, Jim, Herc/Canton OH. owners, Several of us have these Hercules power units. Does anyone have a lead on replacement oil filter cartridges? If not, I have a neighbor who is a filtration engineer for Wix/Dana and he has offered to build what I need to have a new filter! If there is interest from several of you, perhaps I could have the neighbor make a short production run so we could all have one or two for our engines. Let me know if of interest. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC (home of Wix/Dana filters) curt at imc-group.com Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Ed, > > I'm not sure if Jim is on the SEL or not. I copied this over to the > oldengine.org list. Maybe he can contact you direct if he's not on > the SEL. > > Jim, Please read attached messages in regards to your power plant you > had at Portland this year. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > =================== > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 15 05:12:17 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:12:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit / oil filters References: <4198A998.1030605@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <01b401c4cb14$bbdfb040$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Does anyone have a lead > on replacement oil filter cartridges? If not, I have a neighbor who is a > filtration engineer for Wix/Dana and he has offered to build what I need > to have a new filter! Ask him if he remembers Fred "dri-clean" Miller . So what size is this cartridge ? Or more importantly , the cannister and tube . Chuck ? From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Nov 14 11:04:00 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 14:04:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Progress Report In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Now that I am back home in good old Youngstown I've been able > to spend much more time working on the Tod Engine and even found time > for a > family life, resulting in the October 28th marriage to my lovely wife > Zara. Congratulations! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Nov 15 08:28:30 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:28:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit / oil filters Message-ID: <20041115.082831.215.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Curt. Oil filters were an option, one of mine has a filter and the other one doesn't. I hadn't given it any thought, but a replacement filter would be nice. When I get home today I will check the filter in the military unit and see what it looks like. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:05:28 -0500 Curt writes: > Luke, Ron, Ed, Jim, Herc/Canton OH. owners, > Several of us have these Hercules power units. Does anyone have a > lead > on replacement oil filter cartridges? If not, I have a neighbor who > is a > filtration engineer for Wix/Dana and he has offered to build what I > need > to have a new filter! If there is interest from several of you, > perhaps > I could have the neighbor make a short production run so we could > all > have one or two for our engines. > Let me know if of interest. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC (home of Wix/Dana filters) > curt at imc-group.com From brianne at ultratune.com.au Mon Nov 15 16:37:28 2004 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:37:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Thanks Message-ID: <00b501c4cb74$73d7bda0$dc54dccb@pcuser> Many thanks to the guys who replied to my last post ref. the IH 3M restoration. Lots of valuable info...just what we needed. Brian (Hervey Bay) From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Nov 11 00:42:06 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:42:06 -0000 Subject: [SEL] OT how about using your small engines like this Message-ID: <002d01c4c7ca$54abe850$6b856ad5@no1> http://www.motorcyclecity.com/bikewatch/Chain_Saw_Bike_Dolmette.htm Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 15 11:30:44 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:30:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Opinions Please Message-ID: <20041115.204314.1244.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, I've been putzing with a little Briggs WI with a cast iron base. I originally bought this engine for parts but after getting it running, decided to go another direction. The base is cracked and leaks oil. It has been repaired with epoxy (JB Weld). I chipped the epoxy off and cleaned it up and soldered the break. This worked okay except it still leaked around 2 bolt holes. I took it apart - heated the solder off and decided to braze the cracks. I cannot braze the crack shut because of the epoxy still in the crack preventing me from "bridging" the crack and cannot get it cleaned out enough. I am about to re-epoxy (JB Weld) it on the outside and use a gas tank sealer on the inside. I would like to weld or braze rather than epoxy it. While heating, I see that the crack extends almost to a complete circle. The idea of breaking out the circle - cleaning it up and then attempting to braze it back into place has crossed my mind. I also feel the engine ain't worth all this trouble. Anyone care to advise ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From MaytagTwin at aol.com Mon Nov 15 17:56:08 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:56:08 EST Subject: [SEL] Opinions Please Message-ID: <1a8.2afd83c2.2ecab838@aol.com> Hi Joe, Certainly you can find another base for it, but, why not try a different kind of repair. May I suggest you drill the end of any visible cracks to prevent their cracking further. Then, get a sheet of roofing copper sheet, and, using your hammer and a hot fire for annealing, form a copper liner to go inside the crankcase base. When finished, drill through it in several places and, using copper rivets, rivet the copper liner to the base. Be sure to put your name and date on the repair so that someone later on can marvel over your work. Regards, Ron Carroll Poverty Ridge West Home of the Wandering Maytags Clearmont, Missouri In a message dated 11/15/2004 7:49:19 PM Central Standard Time, jlb94 at juno.com writes: I took it apart - heated the solder off and decided to braze the cracks. I cannot braze the crack shut because of the epoxy still in the crack preventing me from "bridging" the crack and cannot get it cleaned out enough. I am about to re-epoxy (JB Weld) it on the outside and use a gas tank sealer on the inside. I would like to weld or braze rather than epoxy it. While heating, I see that the crack extends almost to a complete circle. The idea of breaking out the circle - cleaning it up and then attempting to braze it back into place has crossed my mind. I also feel the engine ain't worth all this trouble. Anyone care to advise ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 15 18:44:25 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:44:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Opinions Please Message-ID: <20041115.214425.1244.3.jlb94@juno.com> WOW - Ron, I would have never thought of something like that. I guess it could be done, in a different application, but there are too many obstacles in the way inside the base. And - being a Briggs - It's pretty small in there. There are 6 free standing pillars and 4 on the sides for bolt holes and oil pump mount that would all have to be cut around. It would be like laying a sheet of linoleum in a public men's room leaving the stalls intact. (I have done that as I am a floor covering installer. ) It was no fun. Something I didn't think of though - Name & Date - Good idea. As for finding another base - - - I'm sure I will find one somewhere - sometime. Problem is - - - When I find a "parts engine" I usually fix it up to run. Buying just parts - is like buying diamonds. Everything is "sky high". Thanks for the help. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Mon Nov 15 11:50:40 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:50:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running References: Message-ID: <007d01c4cb4c$62e3dd30$3775833e@p350> Hi all, Saturday we had our 2HP vertical air-cooled International Famous running. It's running very nice, and only needed little "fine tuning" The problem is that it's very much "snottering" from the carburettor. Every time it has an intake stroke, it snotters gas out of the mixer (air intake) It is so bad that painting the engine will be pointless as it will damage the paint within a few hours. Since I REALLY hate leaking or splattering engine's we tried something different today.... Propane...... Well it really seems to work, it's running very nice (after a short warming up) and every time it can coast 12 times. The engine is has very good compresion, and really is in top condition (we're lucky this time;-) We did have allot of work making allot of parts for it though. many of the xternal parts were missing. Is there anyone on the SEL that has an air-cooled Famous, or any other experiance with snotering from the mixer? However expect for this problem I'm very happy to have it running this great! H.Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines > I like the color Dave. I bet the red striping will really set it off. Once > they are finished and on carts, wheel them out into the sunshine. The red on > the decals will probably get picked up better by the camera in some natural > light. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ============== > > >From: "Dave Ernst" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines > >Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:52:33 -0800 > > > >I posted a while back about restoring a couple of Hercules built Economy > >engines and painting them something different than usual, like yellow. One > >person said he had stomach problems over it, so now there are two to look > >at! > >Still have skids and carts to build along with some red pinstriping, but I > >think they surely will draw comments at the shows they will be attending. > >pics at > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009545 > > > >Under Bob's Hercules and Hercules Restoration albums. > > > >Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Mon Nov 15 21:23:23 2004 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:23:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Opinions Please In-Reply-To: <20041115.214425.1244.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: I would drill a small hole on either end of the crack, and then use a small grinder and cut a small groove following the crack right in the crack, but not all the way through, that should get all the jb weld out and then you can braze or weld it, this will hold better than just doing a surface weld. Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > WOW - Ron, > I would have never thought of something like that. > I guess it could be done, in a different application, but there are too > many obstacles in the way inside the base. And - being a Briggs - It's > pretty small in there. > > There are 6 free standing pillars and 4 on the sides for bolt holes and > oil pump mount that would all have to be cut around. > > It would be like laying a sheet of linoleum in a public men's room > leaving the stalls intact. > (I have done that as I am a floor covering installer. ) It was no fun. > > Something I didn't think of though - Name & Date - Good idea. > > As for finding another base - - - I'm sure I will find one somewhere - > sometime. > Problem is - - - When I find a "parts engine" I usually fix it up to run. > Buying just parts - is like buying diamonds. Everything is "sky high". > > Thanks for the help. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > \/)"(\/ when He was tired." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Mon Nov 15 19:46:52 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:46:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Opinions Please References: <20041115.204314.1244.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <003001c4cb8e$e9ec7980$281117d1@net.telenet.net> Joe, Toss the base in an oven (NOT THE GOOD COOKING ONE) at 400 or so. That will bake out any oil still in the casting and should make the epoxy turn to dust. Now take a die grinder or even a dremel and V grind the cracks some. Then braze the cracks shut. Now to seal it coat it with some Glyptal paint (your local electric motor shop will have it or something like it, it is the stuff they use to seal armatures) Put it back together and you should be OK. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 2:30 PM Subject: [SEL] Opinions Please > Hi List, > > I've been putzing with a little Briggs WI with a cast iron base. > I originally bought this engine for parts but after getting it running, > decided to go another direction. > > The base is cracked and leaks oil. It has been repaired with epoxy (JB > Weld). > I chipped the epoxy off and cleaned it up and soldered the break. This > worked okay except it still leaked around 2 bolt holes. > > I took it apart - heated the solder off and decided to braze the cracks. > I cannot braze the crack shut because of the epoxy still in the crack > preventing me from "bridging" the crack and cannot get it cleaned out > enough. > > I am about to re-epoxy (JB Weld) it on the outside and use a gas tank > sealer on the inside. > > I would like to weld or braze rather than epoxy it. > > While heating, I see that the crack extends almost to a complete circle. > The idea of breaking out the circle - cleaning it up and then attempting > to braze it back into place has crossed my mind. I also feel the engine > ain't worth all this trouble. > > Anyone care to advise ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > \/)"(\/ when He was tired." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Nov 15 21:31:45 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:31:45 EST Subject: Fwd: [SEL] Another Maytag Running! Message-ID: <54.376f3d95.2ecaeac1@aol.com> From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Nov 15 21:42:14 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:42:14 EST Subject: [SEL] Another Maytag Running! Message-ID: <8b.1a40c73a.2ecaed36@aol.com> Just finished assemblying my junker Model 72 Maytag. The alumimum gas tank was modified to a base mount. This was accomplished by bolting a ?" x 6" - 12" iron plate to bottom of the gas tank. The orignal bolt holes (that held the tank to the base) were drilled through and 5/16" bolts (5) were used to fasten the iron plate to the tank. Next, two pieces of 3/8" x 2" - 10" iron were welded to ends of the plate. These two pieces were drilled for the base mount. The engine base is fasten to the top of the gas tank and held by the same bolts that is used to hold the tank. The gas tank is sandwiched between the iron plate and engine base. After the assembly was completed, the engine was started using a belt and an electric motor. The engine fired up with no apparent problems. Eventually, this engine will have a pull rope starter. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Nov 14 15:47:22 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:47:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New flywheel engines. Message-ID: <001f01c4caa4$49beb9e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hi all, I saw this in GEM, and thought of those that don't get the magazine. Even if you do this is worth a look. http://arrowengine.com/ Check out the C and L series, and the gensets. Also some parts available that might interest some of you. Enjoy, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From shop at cccomm.net Tue Nov 16 06:31:09 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 06:31:09 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running References: <007d01c4cb4c$62e3dd30$3775833e@p350> Message-ID: <022601c4cbe8$ec7fdbb0$6501a8c0@Shop> Sounds to me that your intake valve is not seating well enough. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Terpstra" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 11:50 AM Subject: [SEL] Another engine running > Hi all, > > Saturday we had our 2HP vertical air-cooled International Famous running. > It's running very nice, and only needed little "fine tuning" > The problem is that it's very much "snottering" from the carburettor. > Every time it has an intake stroke, it snotters gas out of the mixer (air > intake) > It is so bad that painting the engine will be pointless as it will damage > the paint within a few hours. > > Since I REALLY hate leaking or splattering engine's we tried something > different today.... Propane...... > Well it really seems to work, it's running very nice (after a short > warming > up) and every time it can coast 12 times. > The engine is has very good compresion, and really is in top condition > (we're lucky this time;-) > We did have allot of work making allot of parts for it though. > many of the xternal parts were missing. > > Is there anyone on the SEL that has an air-cooled Famous, or any other > experiance with snotering from the mixer? > > However expect for this problem I'm very happy to have it running this > great! > > > > H.Terpstra > Sint Anna Parochie > Netherlands > h.terpstra at wxs.nl > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luke Tonneberger" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 2:00 AM > Subject: RE: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines > > >> I like the color Dave. I bet the red striping will really set it off. >> Once >> they are finished and on carts, wheel them out into the sunshine. The red > on >> the decals will probably get picked up better by the camera in some > natural >> light. >> >> Luke Tonneberger >> Rockford, Michigan >> USA >> ============== >> >> >From: "Dave Ernst" >> >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >> > >> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines >> >Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:52:33 -0800 >> > >> >I posted a while back about restoring a couple of Hercules built Economy >> >engines and painting them something different than usual, like yellow. > One >> >person said he had stomach problems over it, so now there are two to >> >look >> >at! >> >Still have skids and carts to build along with some red pinstriping, but > I >> >think they surely will draw comments at the shows they will be >> >attending. >> >pics at >> > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009545 >> > >> >Under Bob's Hercules and Hercules Restoration albums. >> > >> >Dave >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Nov 16 07:25:07 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:25:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running References: <007d01c4cb4c$62e3dd30$3775833e@p350> Message-ID: <000701c4cbf0$742248d0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Harry, that's great to hear, so I have to come over one of these days to see it life. In the mean time you could fix that "Snottering" :o)) C-ya, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Hi all, > > Saturday we had our 2HP vertical air-cooled International Famous running. > It's running very nice, and only needed little "fine tuning" > > H.Terpstra From jdunmyer at toltbbs.com Mon Nov 15 17:03:54 2004 From: jdunmyer at toltbbs.com (Jim Dunmyer) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:03:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit / oil filters References: <4198A998.1030605@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <005401c4cb78$5ad159c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> I'm using a NAPA filter that is the equivilant of a Fram C3. The rubber gaskets are a bit tight on the center tube, so I remove them. The element is still sealed by the washers above and below; you could add a thin gasket if you wished. <> <> <> <> <> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: ; Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules power unit / oil filters > Luke, Ron, Ed, Jim, Herc/Canton OH. owners, > Several of us have these Hercules power units. Does anyone have a lead > on replacement oil filter cartridges? If not, I have a neighbor who is a > filtration engineer for Wix/Dana and he has offered to build what I need > to have a new filter! If there is interest from several of you, perhaps > I could have the neighbor make a short production run so we could all > have one or two for our engines. > Let me know if of interest. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC (home of Wix/Dana filters) > curt at imc-group.com > > Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > > Ed, > > > > I'm not sure if Jim is on the SEL or not. I copied this over to the > > oldengine.org list. Maybe he can contact you direct if he's not on > > the SEL. > > > > Jim, Please read attached messages in regards to your power plant you > > had at Portland this year. > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA > > =================== > > > From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Tue Nov 16 08:12:58 2004 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:12:58 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running In-Reply-To: <007d01c4cb4c$62e3dd30$3775833e@p350> Message-ID: <003101c4cbf7$24564250$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Greetings Harry, Glad to hear you have gotten it to run! I have both the 2 and 3 HP IHC Verticals in both the air cooled and hopper cooled and have yet to have any trouble like you have described. Is your intake valve seating all the way closed? I also have a few engines that I run on propane and have great luck. You'll get it figured out. Stick with it! Wayne A Thackery -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Harry Terpstra Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 11:51 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Another engine running Hi all, Saturday we had our 2HP vertical air-cooled International Famous running. It's running very nice, and only needed little "fine tuning" The problem is that it's very much "snottering" from the carburettor. Every time it has an intake stroke, it snotters gas out of the mixer (air intake) It is so bad that painting the engine will be pointless as it will damage the paint within a few hours. Since I REALLY hate leaking or splattering engine's we tried something different today.... Propane...... Well it really seems to work, it's running very nice (after a short warming up) and every time it can coast 12 times. The engine is has very good compresion, and really is in top condition (we're lucky this time;-) We did have allot of work making allot of parts for it though. many of the xternal parts were missing. Is there anyone on the SEL that has an air-cooled Famous, or any other experiance with snotering from the mixer? However expect for this problem I'm very happy to have it running this great! H.Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines > I like the color Dave. I bet the red striping will really set it off. Once > they are finished and on carts, wheel them out into the sunshine. The red on > the decals will probably get picked up better by the camera in some natural > light. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ============== > > >From: "Dave Ernst" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines > >Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:52:33 -0800 > > > >I posted a while back about restoring a couple of Hercules built Economy > >engines and painting them something different than usual, like yellow. One > >person said he had stomach problems over it, so now there are two to look > >at! > >Still have skids and carts to build along with some red pinstriping, but I > >think they surely will draw comments at the shows they will be attending. > >pics at > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009545 > > > >Under Bob's Hercules and Hercules Restoration albums. > > > >Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Tue Nov 16 11:24:26 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:24:26 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running References: <003101c4cbf7$24564250$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Message-ID: <004b01c4cc11$e2dc3850$3775833e@p350> The intake valve is seating well! When i turn over the engine by hand (against compression) I don't hear any "hissing" in the carburator. Yes we have a few other engines on propane too, like our 4 HP ball hopper Monitor, and we have great luck with it as well. Wayne can you do me a favor? Can you meassure the distance between the top of the mixer to the top of the overflow pipe? On our engine it's 40 mm (1 9/16") maybe it's to high? Thanks H.Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Thackery" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:12 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Another engine running > Greetings Harry, > > Glad to hear you have gotten it to run! I have both the 2 and 3 HP IHC > Verticals in both the air cooled and hopper cooled and have yet to have any > trouble like you have described. Is your intake valve seating all the way > closed? I also have a few engines that I run on propane and have great luck. > You'll get it figured out. Stick with it! > > Wayne A Thackery > From nancydick at keyconn.net Tue Nov 16 14:30:28 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:30:28 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT1 Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20041116142313.00b6ff00@mail.keyconn.net> Hi need some help on my Stover. The trip assembly on the mag is sticking. When it trips the mag is does not go back far enough to latch and be ready for next trip. If i hold pressure on the trip rod at the valve it will go back. It appears something in side crank assembly is sticking. Just got the mag back from a rebuild now this problem.??????????? any and all information appreciated. R Fink PA From curt at imc-group.com Tue Nov 16 12:11:33 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:11:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running In-Reply-To: <004b01c4cc11$e2dc3850$3775833e@p350> References: <003101c4cbf7$24564250$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> <004b01c4cc11$e2dc3850$3775833e@p350> Message-ID: <419A5EF5.9060702@imc-group.com> Harry, Is an economizer supposed to be present on a 2 or 3 HP IHC vertical? Horizontals have them..... Possibly a weak intake valve spring? While it may be sealing when checking stationary against compression, it is possible that when running there is some valve bounce or slow closing action that allows a slight puff of return air back into the manifold. Curt P.S. Have you tried catalyzed paints and primers so you don't have to worry about the effect of fuel on your paint? Harry Terpstra wrote: >The intake valve is seating well! >When i turn over the engine by hand (against compression) I don't hear any >"hissing" in the carburator. > > > From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Tue Nov 16 12:58:44 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:58:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running References: <003101c4cbf7$24564250$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> <004b01c4cc11$e2dc3850$3775833e@p350> <419A5EF5.9060702@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000701c4cc1f$0f9a7610$3775833e@p350> Hi Curt, > Is an economizer supposed to be present on a 2 or 3 HP IHC vertical? > Horizontals have them..... > Not on the air-cooled, > Possibly a weak intake valve spring? > While it may be sealing when checking stationary against compression, it > is possible that when running there is some valve bounce or slow closing > action that allows a slight puff of return air back into the manifold. > I didn't think of it that way, it's worth a try. I tried to put a ring under the intake valve spring, to make the tension a bit stronger, but it did affect the snottering. > P.S. Have you tried catalyzed paints and primers so you don't have to > worry about the effect of fuel on your paint? > I use Dupont Centari. IMO this is one of the better paints on the market (it should be if you look at the price;) But it can't witstand the gas for a long time (more than a few hours) What paint you use? TTYL, H.Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Another engine running > Harry, > Is an economizer supposed to be present on a 2 or 3 HP IHC vertical? > Horizontals have them..... > Possibly a weak intake valve spring? > While it may be sealing when checking stationary against compression, it > is possible that when running there is some valve bounce or slow closing > action that allows a slight puff of return air back into the manifold. > Curt > P.S. Have you tried catalyzed paints and primers so you don't have to > worry about the effect of fuel on your paint? > > Harry Terpstra wrote: > > >The intake valve is seating well! > >When i turn over the engine by hand (against compression) I don't hear any > >"hissing" in the carburator. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Tue Nov 16 13:00:08 2004 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:00:08 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running In-Reply-To: <004b01c4cc11$e2dc3850$3775833e@p350> Message-ID: <000201c4cc1f$45795ad0$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Greetings, Harry, I have measured all four and they all measure just a hair under 1 1/2". Hope this helps! Wayne A Thackery -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Harry Terpstra Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:24 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Another engine running The intake valve is seating well! When i turn over the engine by hand (against compression) I don't hear any "hissing" in the carburator. Yes we have a few other engines on propane too, like our 4 HP ball hopper Monitor, and we have great luck with it as well. Wayne can you do me a favor? Can you meassure the distance between the top of the mixer to the top of the overflow pipe? On our engine it's 40 mm (1 9/16") maybe it's to high? Thanks H.Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Thackery" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:12 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Another engine running > Greetings Harry, > > Glad to hear you have gotten it to run! I have both the 2 and 3 HP IHC > Verticals in both the air cooled and hopper cooled and have yet to have any > trouble like you have described. Is your intake valve seating all the way > closed? I also have a few engines that I run on propane and have great luck. > You'll get it figured out. Stick with it! > > Wayne A Thackery > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Nov 16 18:12:04 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:12:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT1 Message-ID: <20041116.211345.1204.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rich, I think you have the same problem I had. Do you have an enclosed crank ? Mine seems to have an oil starvation problem just inside the cover at the trip rod. It gets dry and sticks - although there's oil everywhere. I guess it just gets dirty and gums up. Once I take the crank cover off and free it - it seems to be okay. Not sure why it sticks. It has only happened to me once. Sorry I can't give better info. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 16 16:22:21 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:22:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. References: <20040929002015.2861.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <015c01c4cc3b$83764700$210110ac@PaulMaples> Steve can you tell me what the diameter of the large flywheel is on the Appleton #9 Corn Chopper? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. > Paul > > No idea on he maker yet. I will have to check several books to see If I > can match any casting #'s. > > I hae an Appleton #9 awaiting some minor wood work. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/EngineEquip/CornChopper.htm > > I also picked up the monster...A small 4 roll Appleton Husker Shredder > which takes the entire stalk, pops the ear of corn off, drops the ear onto > the rollers which removes the husks, sending the ear up the track intoa > wagon...The stalk meanwhile, goes thru the same setup as the chopper and > sends it thru a blower into a silo or pile. I finally had it out to a > show to test run it and it needs a little work but is working. Pics: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/26.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/27.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/28.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/29.JPG > > They are a neat display, but you need corn stalks to run thru them. > > Steve > > --- paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hey Gang I acquired this Silage Chopper and need help in identifying it. > Take a look at these 11 pictures and let me know if anyone has any idea > who the maker is: > > http://community.webshots.com/album/193008252ojcKpj?340 > > Thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Wed Nov 17 03:31:15 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:31:15 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question Message-ID: <20041117113115.41034.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> G'day Mates I've been following the thread on using propane. Could I ask someone to explain how this is done please? I'm guessing, but maybe just a zerk into the mixer fuel inlet fed by a gas regulator? Does running on gas require changes to any engine settings e.g. governor etc. Thanks Graham in Oz Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Nov 17 03:57:00 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:57:00 -0000 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question References: <20041117113115.41034.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401c4cc9c$8d1589e0$8c9f0952@no1> Hi Graham, many years ago when I had an early Lister L & found I was running short of petrol I used to put a pipe into the air intake of the Carb with a low flow of propane. Then I turned off the petrol & it would run all day. To do it properly you need a suction valve in the supply to turn on the gas when the engine sucks fuel. If you don't have the valve, if the engine stops you could flood the area with explosive gas. Happy playing. 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Harris" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 11:31 AM Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question > G'day Mates > > I've been following the thread on using propane. Could > I ask someone to explain how this is done please? I'm > guessing, but maybe just a zerk into the mixer fuel > inlet fed by a gas regulator? Does running on gas > require changes to any engine settings e.g. governor > etc. > > Thanks > > Graham in Oz > > > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at keyconn.net Wed Nov 17 07:05:47 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:05:47 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT1 In-Reply-To: <20041116.211345.1204.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20041117070402.00b1dd90@mail.keyconn.net> Yes Joe it is enclosed crank. What do i make a new gasket out of when i open it up to clean up the rod. Thanks R Fink PA At 09:12 PM 11/16/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Rich, > >I think you have the same problem I had. > >Do you have an enclosed crank ? > >Mine seems to have an oil starvation problem just inside the cover at the >trip rod. >It gets dry and sticks - although there's oil everywhere. >I guess it just gets dirty and gums up. > >Once I take the crank cover off and free it - it seems to be okay. >Not sure why it sticks. >It has only happened to me once. > >Sorry I can't give better info. > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com >,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - >\/)"(\/ when He was tired." >(_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Wed Nov 17 04:56:06 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:56:06 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running References: <000201c4cc1f$45795ad0$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Message-ID: <001601c4cca4$cd78b7c0$3775833e@p350> Thanks Wayne, Will try if it helps to make it 1?" as well. H.Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Thackery" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:00 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Another engine running > > Greetings, > > Harry, I have measured all four and they all measure just a hair under 1 > 1/2". Hope this helps! > > Wayne A Thackery > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Harry > Terpstra > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:24 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Another engine running > > > The intake valve is seating well! > When i turn over the engine by hand (against compression) I don't hear any > "hissing" in the carburator. > > Yes we have a few other engines on propane too, like our 4 HP ball hopper > Monitor, and we have great luck with it as well. > > Wayne can you do me a favor? Can you meassure the distance between the top > of the mixer to the top of the overflow pipe? > On our engine it's 40 mm (1 9/16") maybe it's to high? > > Thanks > > H.Terpstra > Sint Anna Parochie > Netherlands > h.terpstra at wxs.nl > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wayne Thackery" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:12 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Another engine running > > > > Greetings Harry, > > > > Glad to hear you have gotten it to run! I have both the 2 and 3 HP IHC > > Verticals in both the air cooled and hopper cooled and have yet to have > any > > trouble like you have described. Is your intake valve seating all the way > > closed? I also have a few engines that I run on propane and have great > luck. > > You'll get it figured out. Stick with it! > > > > Wayne A Thackery > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Wed Nov 17 04:58:16 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:58:16 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running References: <007d01c4cb4c$62e3dd30$3775833e@p350> <000701c4cbf0$742248d0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <002f01c4cca5$1b00e490$3775833e@p350> You're alaways welcome John! Hope to have solved some problem by next weekend. I think it's time for an IHC only engine show here in the Netherlands. H.Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Another engine running > Hi Harry, that's great to hear, so I have to come over > one of these days to see it life. > In the mean time you could fix that "Snottering" :o)) > > C-ya, > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > Hi all, > > > > Saturday we had our 2HP vertical air-cooled International Famous running. > > It's running very nice, and only needed little "fine tuning" > > > > H.Terpstra > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Nov 17 06:49:01 2004 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 06:49:01 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. References: <20040929002015.2861.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> <015c01c4cc3b$83764700$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <003501c4ccb4$94c6e9a0$57bb2304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> 39.7 cm Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 4:22 PM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. > Steve can you tell me what the diameter of the large flywheel is on the > Appleton #9 Corn Chopper? > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Barr" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 6:20 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. > > > > Paul > > > > No idea on he maker yet. I will have to check several books to see If I > > can match any casting #'s. > > > > I hae an Appleton #9 awaiting some minor wood work. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/EngineEquip/CornChopper.htm > > > > I also picked up the monster...A small 4 roll Appleton Husker Shredder > > which takes the entire stalk, pops the ear of corn off, drops the ear onto > > the rollers which removes the husks, sending the ear up the track intoa > > wagon...The stalk meanwhile, goes thru the same setup as the chopper and > > sends it thru a blower into a silo or pile. I finally had it out to a > > show to test run it and it needs a little work but is working. Pics: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/26.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/27.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/28.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/29.JPG > > > > They are a neat display, but you need corn stalks to run thru them. > > > > Steve > > > > --- paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > > Hey Gang I acquired this Silage Chopper and need help in identifying it. > > Take a look at these 11 pictures and let me know if anyone has any idea > > who the maker is: > > > > http://community.webshots.com/album/193008252ojcKpj?340 > > > > Thanks, > > > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Nov 17 07:21:16 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:21:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT1 Message-ID: <20041117.104528.1204.10.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rich, You can buy a gasket kit through - Hit & Miss - Starbolt - Etc. There are about 4 cork gaskets and 3 felt gaskets. Problem : I've had mine apart many times. Thing is - I can't seem to get it sealed up tight and the engine always leaks and throws oil from the cover. The last time I put in new gaskets, I RTV'd one side of the gaskets as to "glue" them to the base. I allowed the gaskets to stay "dry" on the cover side so I could remove the cover without destroying the seal. It worked to some satisfaction. I still get a leak where the cork & felt meet each other in the corners. The cork is used on flat surfaces. The felt is used around the front section and over the top of the crank bearing caps. Make sure you have an "oil splasher" on the lower bolt of the connecting rod bearing. It's only about 3/4" long. Make sure your breather is clear on top of the cover. There is a lot of oil activity going on inside the cover. I love the Stover - It is a beautiful running engine - Runs fairly fast. But sort of embarrassing at a show to see all that oil running down the sides and on to the skids. Good Luck Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From nancydick at keyconn.net Wed Nov 17 12:39:02 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:39:02 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT1 In-Reply-To: <20041117.104528.1204.10.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20041117123605.00b56100@mail.keyconn.net> Thanks Joe this is a barn fresh engine so will call one of them for new gaskets. As to the problem with sealing at joints try some of the GM gasket maker between them. Have had good luck with it in butting gaskets. R Fink PA At 10:21 AM 11/17/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Rich, > >You can buy a gasket kit through - Hit & Miss - Starbolt - Etc. > >There are about 4 cork gaskets and 3 felt gaskets. > >Problem : I've had mine apart many times. Thing is - I can't seem to >get it sealed up >tight and the engine always leaks and throws oil from the cover. The >last time I put in new gaskets, I RTV'd one side of the gaskets as to >"glue" them to the base. I allowed the gaskets to stay "dry" on the >cover side so I could remove the cover without destroying the seal. > >It worked to some satisfaction. I still get a leak where the cork & felt >meet each other in the corners. > >The cork is used on flat surfaces. The felt is used around the front >section and over the top of the crank bearing caps. > >Make sure you have an "oil splasher" on the lower bolt of the connecting >rod bearing. >It's only about 3/4" long. >Make sure your breather is clear on top of the cover. >There is a lot of oil activity going on inside the cover. > >I love the Stover - It is a beautiful running engine - Runs fairly fast. >But sort of embarrassing at a show to see all that oil running down the >sides and on to the skids. > >Good Luck > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > \/)"(\/ when He was tired." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Nov 17 10:03:33 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:03:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT1 References: <20041117.104528.1204.10.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <002b01c4cccf$db676720$16f5f504@x8h7l9> Hello Joe, I am in the process of restoring a Stover CT2 and have been following your post attentively. The Piston and rod were out of mine when I picked it up and never saw an oil slinger on the rod cap. I am glad you mentioned it because I would not have known about it. Any Chance you could send me a picture of what I will have to make.edstoller at earthlink dot net. Also, I noticed that the crankshaft bearing on the PTO side ( opposite the magneto ) had more ware than the other and it looked like it was not getting enough oil. There was a very compact wad of felt in the oil hole on the bearing cap that to me looked liked it blocked the oil flow the bearing. I had in mind leaving the felt out entirely and if too much oil came thru the bearing putting a light piece of felt in the oil port. What do you think? Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover CT1 > Hi Rich, > SNIP> Make sure you have an "oil splasher" on the lower bolt of the connecting > rod bearing. > It's only about 3/4" long. SNIP> From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 17 14:46:14 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:46:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT1 References: <20041117.104528.1204.10.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <008d01c4ccf7$3edd5ea0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> I allowed the gaskets to stay "dry" on the > cover side so I could remove the cover without destroying the seal. > experiment with some Hylomar on that top surface , It allows dissasembly and reuse .Lot of the gummers prefer grease . And for good reason . . > It worked to some satisfaction. I still get a leak where the cork & felt > meet each other in the corners. > as said the Gm black will fill the void between the two , like the old style vee8 intakes and TC's that came in 4 pieces . The pinnacle of 70's engineering . From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 17 14:47:25 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:47:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bull gear grease Message-ID: <009501c4ccf7$68de3d00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> I called the baler company about that bull wheel grease ,and it was nearly 50 bucks a gallon . Chuck ? From rdi at rochester.rr.com Wed Nov 17 15:34:15 2004 From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:34:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: A pair of Economy Engines Message-ID: <000d01c4ccfd$f3d60c20$ecb4a918@rochester.rr.com> Hey, Dave- For further encouragement, check out the article & many pics online in Farm Collector magazine at: http://farmcollector.com/feature.asp?id=1004f1 -Rick I. Working on a Taylor Vacuum Engine, near Rochester, NY From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 17 15:01:58 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:01:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question References: <20041117113115.41034.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009f01c4ccf9$711c0040$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > I've been following the thread on using propane. Could > I ask someone to explain how this is done please? I'm > guessing, but maybe just a zerk into the mixer fuel > inlet fed by a gas regulator? Does running on gas > require changes to any engine settings e.g. governor > etc. Extremely complicated or It can be as simple as sticking an orifice in the venturi I have come across some field conversions that were no more that copper tube necked into the mixer . One they beat the tubing flat over what would appear to be a sewing needle inserted into the bore of the copper tube , then withdrew it leaving a tiny hole . It is really easy to flood on gas , so they get started as Dave mentioned and switched over My big ones , thru trial and error I learn where to mark with a scribe , set it thusly , and they start consistantly . Chuck From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Nov 17 21:10:54 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:10:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT1 Message-ID: <20041118.001131.1020.2.jlb94@juno.com> experiment with some Hylomar on that top surface , It allows dissasembly and reuse .Lot of the gummers prefer grease . And for good reason . = = = = = What's Hylomar ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Nov 17 21:09:22 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:09:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT1 Message-ID: <20041118.001131.1020.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Ed, Actually - NO - I wouldn't have a pic of the oil slinger - but - I made a new one for my Stover as the one in there seemed too little to do anything. I made mine to fit on the lower rod cap bolt - the same width as the cap and tapered it to a blunt point as it extends into the oil. Total length is about an inch & a quarter (1?" ) with only about three quarter of an inch extending toward the oil or bottom of the engine. It was also curved forward. Sort of like a bent finger or very similar to a finger pick used in guitar playing. Not a real sharp bend, just sort of curved forward. = = = As for the wad of felt in the bearing caps - - - I was tempted to take mine out - then decided not to as that might allow the bearing to go dry too fast or allow the bearings to leak. Felt stays wet with oil and lubricates the crank. I don't think they should be too tight but should be snug enough to stay in. I sort of felt the tiny slinger I had may have prevented my trip rod from getting enough oil and causing it to stick. Hope this helps. Feel free to ask any questions as you make that slinger. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 17 21:57:59 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:57:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bull gear grease In-Reply-To: <009501c4ccf7$68de3d00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <009501c4ccf7$68de3d00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041118005554.024ddb28@mail.alltel.net> At 05:47 PM 11/17/2004, you wrote: >I called the baler company about that bull wheel grease ,and it was nearly >50 bucks a gallon . >Chuck ? Hi Chuck ?, That's probably not all that bad a price. Last night I paid just a bit less than that for a gallon of diesel! Dave From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Thu Nov 18 01:53:06 2004 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:23:06 +1030 Subject: [SEL] Bull gear grease References: <009501c4ccf7$68de3d00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041118005554.024ddb28@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000601c4cd54$67d5ac60$9ec68890@chaos> try A$560.oo for 2.5 litres of Premise 200 termite chemical spray. 2.500 litre [l] equivalent to: 0.66043 US gallon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Bull gear grease At 05:47 PM 11/17/2004, you wrote: >I called the baler company about that bull wheel grease ,and it was nearly >50 bucks a gallon . >Chuck ? Hi Chuck ?, That's probably not all that bad a price. Last night I paid just a bit less than that for a gallon of diesel! Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Nov 18 08:20:00 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:20:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bull gear grease In-Reply-To: <000601c4cd54$67d5ac60$9ec68890@chaos> References: <009501c4ccf7$68de3d00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041118005554.024ddb28@mail.alltel.net> <000601c4cd54$67d5ac60$9ec68890@chaos> Message-ID: <419CCBB0.1050401@fidnet.com> I've been following this thread and I am still wondering where the gears are located on a bull and just how one would go about greasing them... Gary derek wrote: > try A$560.oo for 2.5 litres of Premise 200 termite chemical spray. > 2.500 litre [l] equivalent to: 0.66043 US gallon > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 4:27 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Bull gear grease > > > At 05:47 PM 11/17/2004, you wrote: > >> I called the baler company about that bull wheel grease ,and it was >> nearly >> 50 bucks a gallon . >> Chuck ? > > > Hi Chuck ?, That's probably not all that bad a price. Last night I paid > just a bit less than that for a gallon of diesel! > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Nov 18 09:24:35 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:24:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bull gear grease In-Reply-To: <419CCBB0.1050401@fidnet.com> References: <009501c4ccf7$68de3d00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041118005554.024ddb28@mail.alltel.net> <000601c4cd54$67d5ac60$9ec68890@chaos> <419CCBB0.1050401@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <419CDAD3.2030809@imc-group.com> Gary Epps wrote: > I've been following this thread and I am still wondering where the > gears are located on a bull Same place you find 'em on a worm. > and just how one would go about greasing them... VERY carefully! Curt > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Nov 18 10:49:38 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:49:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running In-Reply-To: <000701c4cc1f$0f9a7610$3775833e@p350> References: <003101c4cbf7$24564250$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> <004b01c4cc11$e2dc3850$3775833e@p350> <419A5EF5.9060702@imc-group.com> <000701c4cc1f$0f9a7610$3775833e@p350> Message-ID: <419CEEC2.6050707@imc-group.com> Harry Terpstra wrote: >I use Dupont Centari. IMO this is one of the better paints on the market (it >should be if you look at the price;) >But it can't witstand the gas for a long time (more than a few hours) >What paint you use? > > > Harry, Have been a fan of Dupont Imron for years, a 2 part urethane paint. Can soak it in gasoline or wipe down in lacquer thinner and it does not hurt it. Is Centari a 2 part paint? If so it should hold up to gasoline too. Are you using a 2 part primer under the Centari? If using a solvent based primer instead of a two part primer that is your problem. The primer is what is actually lifting, making it look like the color top coat is the problem. I have had beautiful black Imron destroyed by weeping gasoline because I used lacquer primer surfacer. Once I switched to 2 part primers that problem has gone away. Be ready for sticker shock, the primers are as expensive as the top coat. But at least it will stay down. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Thu Nov 18 11:15:55 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:15:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running References: <003101c4cbf7$24564250$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> <004b01c4cc11$e2dc3850$3775833e@p350> <419A5EF5.9060702@imc-group.com> <000701c4cc1f$0f9a7610$3775833e@p350> <419CEEC2.6050707@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004901c4cda3$07066740$3775833e@harryp1811> Curt, Yes Centari is a 2 part paint. It is car paint. I've heard about DuPont Imron, and Dulux, but both is not for sale up here:( I use original Dupont car primer too. (R810+ R815) it's a two part primer, and is told to be very good. (It's expensive as well;-) However the problem might be the gasoline we have here for the last decade. I think it's more agressive than the US gasoline. Two years ago we bought tank sealer in England, and our friend there uses it with sucses, but here it started leaking again after awhile. TTYL, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Another engine running > Harry Terpstra wrote: > > >I use Dupont Centari. IMO this is one of the better paints on the market (it > >should be if you look at the price;) > >But it can't witstand the gas for a long time (more than a few hours) > >What paint you use? > > > > > > > Harry, > Have been a fan of Dupont Imron for years, a 2 part urethane paint. Can > soak it in gasoline or wipe down in lacquer thinner and it does not hurt it. > > Is Centari a 2 part paint? If so it should hold up to gasoline too. > > Are you using a 2 part primer under the Centari? If using a solvent > based primer instead of a two part primer that is your problem. The > primer is what is actually lifting, making it look like the color top > coat is the problem. > I have had beautiful black Imron destroyed by weeping gasoline because I > used lacquer primer surfacer. Once I switched to 2 part primers that > problem has gone away. Be ready for sticker shock, the primers are as > expensive as the top coat. But at least it will stay down. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Thu Nov 18 11:23:20 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:23:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running References: <003101c4cbf7$24564250$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> <004b01c4cc11$e2dc3850$3775833e@p350> <419A5EF5.9060702@imc-group.com> <000701c4cc1f$0f9a7610$3775833e@p350> <419CEEC2.6050707@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <005201c4cda4$105c6dc0$3775833e@harryp1811> Wayne, We tried to set the return line on 1?" but still no luck:( We have taken apart the engine again now, as it was starting to leak arond the valve cage's as well. Now I'm cleaning / flattening them with a pipe and grinding compound. Just turning the pipe back and forth where the ring seats. I'm almost there for the exhaust side;-) Oh for now we will continue to go on with the propane..... Keep you updated. TTYL, Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 18 11:31:39 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:31:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Another engine running In-Reply-To: <004901c4cda3$07066740$3775833e@harryp1811> References: <003101c4cbf7$24564250$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> <004b01c4cc11$e2dc3850$3775833e@p350> <419A5EF5.9060702@imc-group.com> <000701c4cc1f$0f9a7610$3775833e@p350> <419CEEC2.6050707@imc-group.com> <004901c4cda3$07066740$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: Hi Harry, Gee, the answer seems pretty obvious. You need to import some of our "kinder and gentler" gasoline. It's also pretty cheap at less than $2.00 per gallon (~0.40 Euro per liter). 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, Harry Terpstra wrote: > (It's expensive as well;-) > However the problem might be the gasoline we have here for the last decade. > I think it's more agressive than the US gasoline. > > Two years ago we bought tank sealer in England, and our friend there uses it > with sucses, but here it started leaking again after awhile. From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Thu Nov 18 11:42:50 2004 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:42:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running In-Reply-To: <005201c4cda4$105c6dc0$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <002301c4cda6$ca4ff740$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Greetings, Thanks Harry, I'm just going out the door to my Rotary Club Meeting. Keep at it you will figure it out sooner or later. That's what makes this hobby so much fun. When you do get it right you really fell like your have concurred the world! Wayne -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Harry Terpstra Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 11:23 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Another engine running Wayne, We tried to set the return line on 1?" but still no luck:( We have taken apart the engine again now, as it was starting to leak arond the valve cage's as well. Now I'm cleaning / flattening them with a pipe and grinding compound. Just turning the pipe back and forth where the ring seats. I'm almost there for the exhaust side;-) Oh for now we will continue to go on with the propane..... Keep you updated. TTYL, Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Thu Nov 18 11:42:44 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:42:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question References: <20041117113115.41034.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> <009f01c4ccf9$711c0040$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <005a01c4cda6$c610ee00$3775833e@harryp1811> On the IHC Famous, we'll make a flange that will come between the mixer, and the manifold. It's about 12mm (?") thick, and we make a jet in the flange to hook up the propane. Works real good. We start on propane without much effort. When cold it's isn't running that great, but as soon as it warms up (after a couple of minutes) it runs real nice. We use it on a 4 or 5 engines. A few of them because on gasoline they are dripping / leaking very much. And our Witte headless, and the Monitor because on gasoline they get very dirty. Mainly because they have a (pre) combustion chamber. Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] old engines on Propane question > > > I've been following the thread on using propane. Could > > I ask someone to explain how this is done please? I'm > > guessing, but maybe just a zerk into the mixer fuel > > inlet fed by a gas regulator? Does running on gas > > require changes to any engine settings e.g. governor > > etc. > > Extremely complicated or > It can be as simple as sticking an orifice in the venturi > I have come across some field conversions that were > no more that copper tube necked into the mixer . One they > beat the tubing flat over what would appear to be a sewing needle > inserted into the bore of the copper tube , then withdrew it leaving a tiny > hole . > It is really easy to flood on gas , so they get started as Dave mentioned > and switched over > > My big ones , thru trial and error I learn where to mark with a scribe , set > it thusly , > and they start consistantly . > > > > Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Thu Nov 18 13:01:40 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:01:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running References: <003101c4cbf7$24564250$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> <004b01c4cc11$e2dc3850$3775833e@p350> <419A5EF5.9060702@imc-group.com> <000701c4cc1f$0f9a7610$3775833e@p350> <419CEEC2.6050707@imc-group.com> <004901c4cda3$07066740$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <007a01c4cdb1$ccfd6300$3775833e@harryp1811> That would be a great idea Arnie! Since gasoline is about ?1.25 per liter, I could make good profit by selling it for around ?1 per liter. Of course I need to keep some for my own engines;-) Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Another engine running > Hi Harry, > > Gee, the answer seems pretty obvious. You need to import some of our > "kinder and gentler" gasoline. It's also pretty cheap at less than $2.00 > per gallon (~0.40 Euro per liter). 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Thu Nov 18 16:57:28 2004 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:57:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question In-Reply-To: <20041117113115.41034.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Graham, I have an engine I run on propane. The carburetor has an inlet for natural gas or propane just behind the air breather. In order to get the engine to throttle properly you need 2 regulators. If you're just going to run it with no load then you just need one. I have a primary regulator that goes on the tank, and a secondary regulator which is close to the carburetor. The primary regulator reduces the tank pressure to low line pressure. The secondary regulator is a large diaphram regulator that is sensitive to the vaccumm of the engines intake. When the secondary regulator senses more vaccumm then it allows more fuel into the engine. I put a ball valve between the secondary regulator and the carburetor which acts as the fuel adjustment. When the throttle is closed then less vaccumm the regulator cuts back the amount of gas. I use this setup on a Fairbanks 118 I use to drive a generator and it works really well. I've tried using just one regulator but as soon as the governor kicked in I had to re-adjust the regulator. I've run my IHC M just by sticking the hose into the intake, it's a little tricky to get it right though... I can send a pic of my FBM engine with the secondary regulator on the carburetor if you want to see it... Also you don't have to change any governor settings. It should still run the same. Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Graham Harris wrote: > G'day Mates > > I've been following the thread on using propane. Could > I ask someone to explain how this is done please? I'm > guessing, but maybe just a zerk into the mixer fuel > inlet fed by a gas regulator? Does running on gas > require changes to any engine settings e.g. governor > etc. > > Thanks > > Graham in Oz > > > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Thu Nov 18 17:00:38 2004 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:00:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] New flywheel engines. In-Reply-To: <001f01c4caa4$49beb9e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: Hey, They have a generator setup similar to mine! It sure beats a 10hp Briggs when you're running it for days at a time... >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Sun, 14 Nov 2004, Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi all, > > I saw this in GEM, and thought of those that don't get the magazine. Even if you do this is worth a look. > > http://arrowengine.com/ > > Check out the C and L series, and the gensets. Also some parts available that might interest some of you. > > Enjoy, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Sun Nov 14 01:41:23 2004 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:41:23 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Vertical Stover Rings References: <200411140901.iAE91ufv076770@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000801c4ca2e$1c1f5ba0$0301a8c0@Young1203> Hi Patrick, My no. 95096 (4hp) has 4 rings. Michael Y. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 8:01 PM Subject: [SEL] Vertical Stover Rings > Here is a quick question for those of you who have vertical Stovers. How > many piston rings does your engine have? > My YC and YB have four as does Ron's YB and Edd's YB but the piston we > pulled out of Ron's spare YC barrel today has three! It is an original > piston and is the same as my other YC piston but it has one less ring. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Nov 18 16:09:10 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 00:09:10 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running References: <003101c4cbf7$24564250$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7><004b01c4cc11$e2dc3850$3775833e@p350> <419A5EF5.9060702@imc-group.com><000701c4cc1f$0f9a7610$3775833e@p350> <419CEEC2.6050707@imc-group.com><004901c4cda3$07066740$3775833e@harryp1811> <007a01c4cdb1$ccfd6300$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <000a01c4cdcb$ffdd39c0$8c9f0952@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Terpstra" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Another engine running > That would be a great idea Arnie! > Since gasoline is about ?1.25 per liter, I could make good profit by selling > it for around ?1 per liter. > Of course I need to keep some for my own engines;-) > Harry Terpstra Hi Guys, I wish you wouldn't upset me this way. We are paying $6.86 a gallon & $1.52 a litre. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Nov 18 16:40:35 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:40:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running References: <003101c4cbf7$24564250$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7><004b01c4cc11$e2dc3850$3775833e@p350> <419A5EF5.9060702@imc-group.com><000701c4cc1f$0f9a7610$3775833e@p350> <419CEEC2.6050707@imc-group.com><004901c4cda3$07066740$3775833e@harryp1811><007a01c4cdb1$ccfd6300$3775833e@harryp1811> <000a01c4cdcb$ffdd39c0$8c9f0952@no1> Message-ID: <000701c4cdd0$62b6b810$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Dave, that's very sheap at your side of the canal. When Harry said it costs ?1.25 per litre, that's the same as $1.61796 US. Glad my car is diesel fired :o) John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web Hi Guys, I wish you wouldn't upset me this way. We are paying $6.86 a gallon & $1.52 a litre. Dave Croft From carrowor2002 at att.net Thu Nov 18 08:31:08 2004 From: carrowor2002 at att.net (Robert Jacobs) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:31:08 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Bull gear grease References: <419CCBB0.1050401@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <419CCE4C.000001.03220@NOTEBOOK> It's not important where the gears are on a bull. You just throw the bucket of grease at it and run like hell!! Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! Carrowor2002 at att.net -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 11/18/04 11:22:40 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Bull gear grease I've been following this thread and I am still wondering where the gears are located on a bull and just how one would go about greasing them... Gary From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Nov 18 18:06:03 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:06:03 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please Message-ID: Hi Everybody, I've been trying to buy an engine for a few years but haven't had any luck. I stopped by to check on it after work tonight. I got lucky as the owner was just pulling in the drive just as I was leaving. After chatting a bit I made an offer on the engine. He thought for about 2 seconds and said probably not. Which was better than times before as all I got before was I'm not ready to sell it. I was led to believe he actually thought about it this time and I feel he might sell it if I come up with the right amount of money. But this is also the first time I offered a dollar figure. I also offered to come back and put a bucket over top of the engine to keep it from rotting away any more, he replied with "Certainly, any time." I'm not real framiliar with rare engines and the price they bring. My question is, can someone give me an approximate value of the engine pictured here? http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/roughvertical/roughvertical.html What would something like this bring if it was all restored? I don't have a clue and think I might be low in my offer, but then again I don't want to offer more than a realistic price. Off list is Ok if you want. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 18 15:08:42 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:08:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New flywheel engines. References: Message-ID: <006e01c4cdc3$8cbc8b60$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> ----- > They have a generator setup similar to mine! It sure > beats a 10hp Briggs when you're running it for days at a time... http://arrowengine.com/990starter.htm someone was just asking about these things i see em once in a while for brushes and buttons Uses FoMoCo style rotating electrical From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 18 16:10:04 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:10:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Vertical Stover Rings References: <200411140901.iAE91ufv076770@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <000801c4ca2e$1c1f5ba0$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <00ad01c4cdcc$2180fb20$210110ac@PaulMaples> Michael what year is your engine? Does it have a fuel saver arm (Intake Valve Lock) on the head? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Young" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 3:41 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Vertical Stover Rings > Hi Patrick, > > My no. 95096 (4hp) has 4 rings. > > Michael Y. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; > "Stationary Engine Mailing List" > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 8:01 PM > From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Thu Nov 18 22:35:06 2004 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:35:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Vertical Stover Rings References: <200411140901.iAE91ufv076770@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><000801c4ca2e$1c1f5ba0$0301a8c0@Young1203> <00ad01c4cdcc$2180fb20$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <001301c4ce01$ea1a2e50$0301a8c0@Young1203> Hi Paul, My engine is 1917 and my fuel saver arm is missing. They look simple and when the time comes I will fabricate one. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Vertical Stover Rings > Michael what year is your engine? Does it have a fuel saver arm (Intake > Valve Lock) on the head? > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Young" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 3:41 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Vertical Stover Rings > > > > Hi Patrick, > > > > My no. 95096 (4hp) has 4 rings. > > > > Michael Y. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > > To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; > > "Stationary Engine Mailing List" > > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 8:01 PM > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Fri Nov 19 02:07:20 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:07:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Vertical Stover Rings References: <200411140901.iAE91ufv076770@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <000801c4ca2e$1c1f5ba0$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <001701c4ce1f$8e81dd40$3775833e@harryp1811> Hi Patrick, My Patrick, My Stover A type (2HP) sn: 5148 has 3 rings. My YB (3HP) sn: 15669, has 4 rings. This engine is from 1909. I never paid any attention to it, because the A type is a smaller engine (4" bore) so I guess that's the reason. Hope this helps. Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; > "Stationary Engine Mailing List" > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 8:01 PM > Subject: [SEL] Vertical Stover Rings > > > > Here is a quick question for those of you who have vertical Stovers. How > > many piston rings does your engine have? > > My YC and YB have four as does Ron's YB and Edd's YB but the piston we > > pulled out of Ron's spare YC barrel today has three! It is an original > > piston and is the same as my other YC piston but it has one less ring. > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > > Leichhardt NSW > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Fri Nov 19 02:09:39 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:09:39 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running References: <003101c4cbf7$24564250$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> <004b01c4cc11$e2dc3850$3775833e@p350> <419A5EF5.9060702@imc-group.com> <000701c4cc1f$0f9a7610$3775833e@p350> <419CEEC2.6050707@imc-group.com> <004901c4cda3$07066740$3775833e@harryp1811> <007a01c4cdb1$ccfd6300$3775833e@harryp1811> <000a01c4cdcb$ffdd39c0$8c9f0952@no1> <000701c4cdd0$62b6b810$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <002301c4ce1f$e7a932b0$3775833e@harryp1811> Yeh me too John, But at $1.17 per liter not really cheap either. Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 1:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Another engine running > > Hi Dave, that's very sheap at your side of the canal. > When Harry said it costs ?1.25 per litre, that's the > same as $1.61796 US. > Glad my car is diesel fired :o) > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > Hi Guys, I wish you wouldn't upset me this way. > We are paying $6.86 a gallon & $1.52 a litre. > Dave Croft > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Fri Nov 19 02:17:43 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:17:43 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please References: Message-ID: <002b01c4ce21$0203c2a0$3775833e@harryp1811> Wow Luke!! You did find something REAL nice!!!! Actually I have no idea what is it, but it's obvious it very old, and a real odball!! Look at the shape of that "A" frame base! I'm hooked;-) I have no idea what the valeu might be, and I geuss it's hard to put a price on something that is so rare. It certaintly needs allot of TLC, but I'm sure it's worth it. Maybe you better don't go to him and raise your offer, because he might think it's real valueable. (But I know it's difficult;-) I hope you can get this one Luke!! Good luck! Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 3:06 AM Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please > Hi Everybody, > > I've been trying to buy an engine for a few years but haven't had any luck. > I stopped by to check on it after work tonight. I got lucky as the owner was > just pulling in the drive just as I was leaving. After chatting a bit I made > an offer on the engine. He thought for about 2 seconds and said probably > not. Which was better than times before as all I got before was I'm not > ready to sell it. I was led to believe he actually thought about it this > time and I feel he might sell it if I come up with the right amount of > money. But this is also the first time I offered a dollar figure. I also > offered to come back and put a bucket over top of the engine to keep it from > rotting away any more, he replied with "Certainly, any time." I'm not real > framiliar with rare engines and the price they bring. > > My question is, can someone give me an approximate value of the engine > pictured here? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/roughvertical/roughvertical.html > > What would something like this bring if it was all restored? I don't have a > clue and think I might be low in my offer, but then again I don't want to > offer more than a realistic price. Off list is Ok if you want. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Fri Nov 19 04:26:14 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:26:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please Message-ID: <111920041226.27444.2552@mchsi.com> Luke, How much did you offer him????? Curt Andree > Hi Everybody, > > I've been trying to buy an engine for a few years but haven't had any luck. > I stopped by to check on it after work tonight. I got lucky as the owner was > just pulling in the drive just as I was leaving. After chatting a bit I made > an offer on the engine. He thought for about 2 seconds and said probably > not. Which was better than times before as all I got before was I'm not > ready to sell it. I was led to believe he actually thought about it this > time and I feel he might sell it if I come up with the right amount of > money. But this is also the first time I offered a dollar figure. I also > offered to come back and put a bucket over top of the engine to keep it from > rotting away any more, he replied with "Certainly, any time." I'm not real > framiliar with rare engines and the price they bring. > > My question is, can someone give me an approximate value of the engine > pictured here? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/roughvertical/roughvertical.html > > What would something like this bring if it was all restored? I don't have a > clue and think I might be low in my offer, but then again I don't want to > offer more than a realistic price. Off list is Ok if you want. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Nov 19 06:18:12 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:18:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Pouring Babbitt..revisited Message-ID: Howdy all; Well I'm getting my first on hands experience pouring babbitt for the saw arbor bearings on the sawrig. Should I leave the ends partially open so the trapped air can escape or just dam them air tight? After a couple pours the babbitt in places doesn't want to make it all the way to the dams. Should I heat the shaft also? I'm heating the babbitt until it chars a stick. The casting until I'm sure all the moisture is out. Appreciate any advise and thanks for the threads over the years!!! Take Care RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From segray at mlode.com Fri Nov 19 09:20:50 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:20:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question In-Reply-To: <005a01c4cda6$c610ee00$3775833e@harryp1811> References: <20041117113115.41034.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> <009f01c4ccf9$711c0040$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <005a01c4cda6$c610ee00$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <419E2B72.9000304@mlode.com> Hi Harry - I also recently entered the world of propane, this being on a newly completed model. At first, I tried the simple approach of just piping the gas to the mixer (two ball valves, one air, one gas), but didn't like the idea of the unchecked gas flow if the engine stalled, and the results weren't that good as far as operation. I ended up fabricating a 'demand valve' which made all the difference in the world. The thing runs so good now I hate to tear it down to paint it! The engine is a Mery like those 2 that Reg recently finished. Pictures, sound and a video are located at the top of my main web page. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Harry Terpstra wrote: >On the IHC Famous, we'll make a flange that will come between the mixer, and >the manifold. >It's about 12mm (?") thick, and we make a jet in the flange to hook up the >propane. >Works real good. We start on propane without much effort. >When cold it's isn't running that great, but as soon as it warms up (after a >couple of minutes) it runs real nice. > >We use it on a 4 or 5 engines. A few of them because on gasoline they are >dripping / leaking very much. >And our Witte headless, and the Monitor because on gasoline they get very >dirty. Mainly because they have a (pre) combustion chamber. > > >Harry Terpstra >Sint Annaparochie >Netherlands >h.terpstra at wxs.nl >http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:01 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] old engines on Propane question > > > > >>>I've been following the thread on using propane. Could >>>I ask someone to explain how this is done please? I'm >>>guessing, but maybe just a zerk into the mixer fuel >>>inlet fed by a gas regulator? Does running on gas >>>require changes to any engine settings e.g. governor >>>etc. >>> >>> >>Extremely complicated or >>It can be as simple as sticking an orifice in the venturi >>I have come across some field conversions that were >>no more that copper tube necked into the mixer . One they >>beat the tubing flat over what would appear to be a sewing needle >>inserted into the bore of the copper tube , then withdrew it leaving a >> >> >tiny > > >>hole . >>It is really easy to flood on gas , so they get started as Dave mentioned >>and switched over >> >>My big ones , thru trial and error I learn where to mark with a scribe , >> >> >set > > >>it thusly , >>and they start consistantly . >> >> >> >>Chuck >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Nov 19 11:07:18 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:07:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Browser Help Message-ID: <419E4466.6070804@fidnet.com> I have been using Mozilla Thunderbird for email for the past week and I can't find a way to add a signature, nor can I get it to check email every few minutes and automatically download it to my computer, and it doesn't search for email on start-up and download it. Does anyone know where I can find the settings to get it to do this? I would appreciate any help. Please reply off-list. Thank you, Gary From rholtzer at earthlink.net Fri Nov 19 13:19:42 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:19:42 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Browser Help In-Reply-To: <419E4466.6070804@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20041119131908.00bb4c80@mail.earthlink.net> I think Mozilla has a manual. Probably not free?? Bob Holtzer At 01:07 PM 11/19/2004 -0600, you wrote: >I have been using Mozilla Thunderbird for email for the past week and I >can't find a way to add a signature, nor can I get it to check email every >few minutes and auI tomatically download it to my computer, and it doesn't >search for email on start-up and download it. > >Does anyone know where I can find the settings to get it to do this? I >would appreciate any help. Please reply off-list. > >Thank you, > >Gary > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Fri Nov 19 13:36:26 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:36:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Browser Help In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20041119131908.00bb4c80@mail.earthlink.net> References: <419E4466.6070804@fidnet.com> <4.2.2.20041119131908.00bb4c80@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9mpsp0d6smnustkshdi5qfi1jkgbiqhd62@4ax.com> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:19:42 -0800, you wrote: >I think Mozilla has a manual. Probably not free?? > > >Bob Holtzer > >At 01:07 PM 11/19/2004 -0600, you wrote: >>I have been using Mozilla Thunderbird for email for the past week and I >>can't find a way to add a signature, nor can I get it to check email every >>few minutes and auI tomatically download it to my computer, and it doesn't >>search for email on start-up and download it. >> >>Does anyone know where I can find the settings to get it to do this? I >>would appreciate any help. Please reply off-list. >> >>Thank you, >> >>Gary Just had a look at the programme (downloaded and installed it) it doesn't appear to have any means of adding a sig to the outgoing email. Also note that the programme is a 'Technology Preview' to quote Mozilla in the release notes that accompany the programme. You're better off going to something lke Agent if you want a decent fully-featured email and news client. (www.forteinc.com) Peter From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Nov 19 14:34:10 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:34:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Browser Help In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20041119131908.00bb4c80@mail.earthlink.net> References: <4.2.2.20041119131908.00bb4c80@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <419E74E2.9000205@fidnet.com> Yes it has a manual, no it's not free, and yee I have it. However, it doesn't say anything about the email program, juat Mozilla Firefox the browser. Gary Robert L. Holtzer wrote: > I think Mozilla has a manual. Probably not free?? > > > Bob Holtzer > > At 01:07 PM 11/19/2004 -0600, you wrote: > >> I have been using Mozilla Thunderbird for email for the past week and >> I can't find a way to add a signature, nor can I get it to check email >> every few minutes and auI tomatically download it to my computer, and >> it doesn't search for email on start-up and download it. >> >> Does anyone know where I can find the settings to get it to do this? >> I would appreciate any help. Please reply off-list. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Gary >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Nov 19 14:37:38 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:37:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Browser Help In-Reply-To: <9mpsp0d6smnustkshdi5qfi1jkgbiqhd62@4ax.com> References: <419E4466.6070804@fidnet.com> <4.2.2.20041119131908.00bb4c80@mail.earthlink.net> <9mpsp0d6smnustkshdi5qfi1jkgbiqhd62@4ax.com> Message-ID: <419E75B2.9020300@fidnet.com> Thanks Peter, I'll give it a look-see. I don't recall, is Agent what you have been using? Gary Peter A Forbes wrote: > On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:19:42 -0800, you wrote: > > >>I think Mozilla has a manual. Probably not free?? >> >> >>Bob Holtzer >> >>At 01:07 PM 11/19/2004 -0600, you wrote: >> >>>I have been using Mozilla Thunderbird for email for the past week and I >>>can't find a way to add a signature, nor can I get it to check email every >>>few minutes and auI tomatically download it to my computer, and it doesn't >>>search for email on start-up and download it. >>> >>>Does anyone know where I can find the settings to get it to do this? I >>>would appreciate any help. Please reply off-list. >>> >>>Thank you, >>> >>>Gary > > > Just had a look at the programme (downloaded and installed it) it doesn't > appear to have any means of adding a sig to the outgoing email. > > Also note that the programme is a 'Technology Preview' to quote Mozilla in the > release notes that accompany the programme. > > You're better off going to something lke Agent if you want a decent > fully-featured email and news client. (www.forteinc.com) > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Fri Nov 19 14:39:45 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:39:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gasket sealing Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A702B7C4B9@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>>Lot of the gummers prefer grease . And for good reason . >>>Chuck Fitters and boilermakers often use a very stiff grease - a regular putty knife type scraper isn't stiff enough - on gaskets that get real hot. It is a major help in getting stuf apart later. Gasket primer: http://www.mgb.bc.ca/howto/gasket.html Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From edstoller at earthlink.net Fri Nov 19 14:49:00 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:49:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please References: Message-ID: <003001c4ce89$f7c2d9c0$9bf5f504@x8h7l9> Luke, You might think along the lines of what it would cost to restore the engine, ie buy a magneto and machine shop bills. In the end it is easy to have much more invested in the engine than what it is worth. Of coarse we do it any way, but it might give you some negation leverage. The seller probably has no idea of the restoration costs. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 9:06 PM Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please > Hi Everybody, > > I've been trying to buy an engine for a few years but haven't had any luck. > I stopped by to check on it after work tonight. I got lucky as the owner was > just pulling in the drive just as I was leaving. After chatting a bit I made > an offer on the engine. He thought for about 2 seconds and said probably > not. Which was better than times before as all I got before was I'm not > ready to sell it. I was led to believe he actually thought about it this > time and I feel he might sell it if I come up with the right amount of > money. But this is also the first time I offered a dollar figure. I also > offered to come back and put a bucket over top of the engine to keep it from > rotting away any more, he replied with "Certainly, any time." I'm not real > framiliar with rare engines and the price they bring. > > My question is, can someone give me an approximate value of the engine > pictured here? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/roughvertical/roughvertical.html > > What would something like this bring if it was all restored? I don't have a > clue and think I might be low in my offer, but then again I don't want to > offer more than a realistic price. Off list is Ok if you want. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Fri Nov 19 14:47:31 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:47:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Termites Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A702B7C4C3@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>>try A$560.oo for 2.5 litres of Premise 200 termite chemical spray. 2.500 litre [l] equivalent to: 0.66043 US gallon >>>Derek What am I offered for a quart of Chlordane? Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Fri Nov 19 14:57:58 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:57:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Diesel fired? Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A702B7C4CD@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>>Glad my car is diesel fired :o) >>>John Hammink Diesel here in Kansas is running THIRTY-TWO CENTS above gasoline. Regular unleaded is $1.78, diesel is $2.08. Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From jbcast at charter.net Fri Nov 19 10:33:55 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:33:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Pouring Babbitt..revisited Message-ID: <3khj62$gni8kh@mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net> > Howdy all; > Well I'm getting my first on hands experience pouring babbitt for the saw > arbor bearings on the sawrig. > > Should I leave the ends partially open so the trapped air can escape or > just dam them air tight? After a couple pours the babbitt in places doesn't > want to make it all the way to the dams. > > > Should I heat the shaft also? I'm heating the babbitt until it chars a > stick. The casting until I'm sure all the moisture is out. > > Appreciate any advise and thanks for the threads over the years!!! > You have to have an in for the babbit and an out for the air. Try to heat the shaft as well as the casting. Form a resrvoir on the pouring side to give it a head little pressure, pour it fast. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca Fri Nov 19 18:08:03 2004 From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:08:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question In-Reply-To: <419E2B72.9000304@mlode.com> Message-ID: <20041120020803.31966.qmail@web51409.mail.yahoo.com> Steve - I'm very interested in propane also. Could you give me some insight as to how you constructed the "demand valve". I would appreciate your hwlp so I could make one also. Thanks, Larry Anger, Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada. Steve Gray wrote:Hi Harry - I also recently entered the world of propane, this being on a newly completed model. At first, I tried the simple approach of just piping the gas to the mixer (two ball valves, one air, one gas), but didn't like the idea of the unchecked gas flow if the engine stalled, and the results weren't that good as far as operation. I ended up fabricating a 'demand valve' which made all the difference in the world. The thing runs so good now I hate to tear it down to paint it! The engine is a Mery like those 2 that Reg recently finished. Pictures, sound and a video are located at the top of my main web page. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Harry Terpstra wrote: >On the IHC Famous, we'll make a flange that will come between the mixer, and >the manifold. >It's about 12mm (?") thick, and we make a jet in the flange to hook up the >propane. >Works real good. We start on propane without much effort. >When cold it's isn't running that great, but as soon as it warms up (after a >couple of minutes) it runs real nice. > >We use it on a 4 or 5 engines. A few of them because on gasoline they are >dripping / leaking very much. >And our Witte headless, and the Monitor because on gasoline they get very >dirty. Mainly because they have a (pre) combustion chamber. > > >Harry Terpstra >Sint Annaparochie >Netherlands >h.terpstra at wxs.nl >http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:01 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] old engines on Propane question > > > > >>>I've been following the thread on using propane. Could >>>I ask someone to explain how this is done please? I'm >>>guessing, but maybe just a zerk into the mixer fuel >>>inlet fed by a gas regulator? Does running on gas >>>require changes to any engine settings e.g. governor >>>etc. >>> >>> >>Extremely complicated or >>It can be as simple as sticking an orifice in the venturi >>I have come across some field conversions that were >>no more that copper tube necked into the mixer . One they >>beat the tubing flat over what would appear to be a sewing needle >>inserted into the bore of the copper tube , then withdrew it leaving a >> >> >tiny > > >>hole . >>It is really easy to flood on gas , so they get started as Dave mentioned >>and switched over >> >>My big ones , thru trial and error I learn where to mark with a scribe , >> >> >set > > >>it thusly , >>and they start consistantly . >> >> >> >>Chuck >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals From alanb2 at webtv.net Fri Nov 19 18:25:44 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:25:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question In-Reply-To: Larry Anger 's message of Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:08:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <14700-419EAB28-186@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> Steve & Larry, Yes Steve, Please do tell and keep it on-list. I am also very interested. Thanks, Alan Bowen ~~~~~Larry Anger wrote~~~~~ Steve - I'm very interested in propane also. Could you give me some insight as to how you constructed the "demand valve". I would appreciate your hwlp so I could make one also. Thanks, Larry Anger, Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada. Steve Gray wrote: Hi Harry - I also recently entered the world of propane, this being on a newly completed model. At first, I tried the simple approach of just piping the gas to the mixer (two ball valves, one air, one gas), but didn't like the idea of the unchecked gas flow if the engine stalled, and the results weren't that good as far as operation. I ended up fabricating a 'demand valve' which made all the difference in the world. The thing runs so good now I hate to tear it down to paint it! The engine is a Mery like those 2 that Reg recently finished. Pictures, sound and a video are located at the top of my main web page. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Nov 19 19:22:03 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:22:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Browser Help In-Reply-To: <419E74E2.9000205@fidnet.com> References: <4.2.2.20041119131908.00bb4c80@mail.earthlink.net> <419E74E2.9000205@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <419EB85B.40105@fidnet.com> Robert, I should probably add that I bought the CD and manual rather than download it via the net. The manual seems to cover Firefox,the browser, but not Thunderbird, the email program. Now if I can find a manual for the email program... Gary Gary Epps wrote: > Yes it has a manual, no it's not free, and yee I have it. However, it > doesn't say anything about the email program, juat Mozilla Firefox the > browser. > > Gary > > Robert L. Holtzer wrote: > >> I think Mozilla has a manual. Probably not free?? >> >> >> Bob Holtzer >> >> At 01:07 PM 11/19/2004 -0600, you wrote: >> >>> I have been using Mozilla Thunderbird for email for the past week and >>> I can't find a way to add a signature, nor can I get it to check >>> email every few minutes and auI tomatically download it to my >>> computer, and it doesn't search for email on start-up and download it. >>> >>> Does anyone know where I can find the settings to get it to do this? >>> I would appreciate any help. Please reply off-list. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From f86sabre at kcweb.net Fri Nov 19 20:06:48 2004 From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (F86SABRE) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:06:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question References: <14700-419EAB28-186@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <001001c4ceb6$604aa190$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> There is a plan for building a propane demand regulator on the website of the Florida Association of Model Engineers. Just go the website, Tips and Info, and Assorted Model Engine building tips. It is the third one from the top. Dan Bousman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] old engines on Propane question > Steve & Larry, > > Yes Steve, > Please do tell and keep it on-list. > I am also very interested. > > Thanks, > Alan Bowen > > ~~~~~Larry Anger wrote~~~~~ > > Steve - I'm very interested in propane also. Could you give me some > insight as to how you constructed the "demand valve". I would appreciate > your hwlp so I could make one also. > > Thanks, Larry Anger, Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada. > > > Steve Gray wrote: > Hi Harry - > I also recently entered the world of propane, this being on a newly > completed model. At first, I tried the simple approach of just piping > the gas to the mixer (two ball valves, one air, one gas), but didn't > like the idea of the unchecked gas flow if the engine stalled, and the > results weren't that good as far as operation. I ended up fabricating a > 'demand valve' which made all the difference in the world. The thing > runs so good now I hate to tear it down to paint it! The engine is a > Mery like those 2 that Reg recently finished. Pictures, sound and a > video are located at the top of my main web page. > - Steve > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net > Williamsburg, Michigan > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Nov 19 19:57:56 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:57:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question Message-ID: <20041119.231722.912.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Steve, Nice job on the Mery. Looks great ! I know almost nothing about using LP as a fuel. I wonder if you could explain the fabrication of the "demand valve".? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rwenig at cable-lynx.net Fri Nov 19 21:09:44 2004 From: rwenig at cable-lynx.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:09:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT Browser Help In-Reply-To: <419E4466.6070804@fidnet.com> References: <419E4466.6070804@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <419ED198.8070707@cable-lynx.net> Hello Gary, Look under "Edit/mail & news groups account settings". I think you will find all the answers there. I'm using Mozella Firefox. The free download version to send this. It shoud have my signature lines at the bottom. Rupert Gary Epps wrote: > I have been using Mozilla Thunderbird for email for the past week and I > can't find a way to add a signature, nor can I get it to check email > every few minutes and automatically download it to my computer, and it > doesn't search for email on start-up and download it. > > Does anyone know where I can find the settings to get it to do this? I > would appreciate any help. Please reply off-list. > > Thank you, > > Gary > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. mailto://rwenig at cable-lynx.net http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/index.html From segray at mlode.com Fri Nov 19 23:02:52 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:02:52 -0800 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question In-Reply-To: <001001c4ceb6$604aa190$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> References: <14700-419EAB28-186@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> <001001c4ceb6$604aa190$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> Message-ID: <419EEC1C.7070704@mlode.com> Yep, that be the one. I got the plans from a different source, but it's the same thing. I made mine out of brass to go along with the rest of the plumbing on the engine. My question would be would this valve be big enough to work on a full size engine? I would guess not. As seen in the front view picture (http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/mery114net.jpg ), I use the small Coleman type propane tank run through a regulator used on propane gas grills. This steps the pressure down to about 11" of water column, which if I remember right, is just a few ounces of pressure. I then pipe that to the demand valve (not shown in this early picture) which is plumbed fairly close to the engine. From there, I changed the kit plans of using a pair of adjustable needle valves to control fuel and air flow into a mixer, to a setup more resembling the mixer valves used on the original engine. Most of the guys running oil field engines are familiar with the air and fuel valves dumping into a simple pipe Tee as a mixer. The little 5/16" miniature ball valves I use are a little tricky to set right but work fine once there. This is my first use of propane and at first, I wasn't too sold on it until I had the demand valve in the system. I can post some pictures of the valve if anyone wants a gander at it. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com F86SABRE wrote: > There is a plan for building a propane demand regulator on the website > of the Florida Association of Model Engineers. Just go the website, > Tips and Info, and Assorted Model Engine building tips. It is the > third one from the top. > Dan Bousman > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:25 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] old engines on Propane question > > >> Steve & Larry, >> >> Yes Steve, >> Please do tell and keep it on-list. >> I am also very interested. >> >> Thanks, >> Alan Bowen >> >> ~~~~~Larry Anger wrote~~~~~ >> >> Steve - I'm very interested in propane also. Could you give me some >> insight as to how you constructed the "demand valve". I would appreciate >> your hwlp so I could make one also. >> >> Thanks, Larry Anger, Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada. >> >> >> Steve Gray wrote: >> Hi Harry - >> I also recently entered the world of propane, this being on a newly >> completed model. At first, I tried the simple approach of just piping >> the gas to the mixer (two ball valves, one air, one gas), but didn't >> like the idea of the unchecked gas flow if the engine stalled, and the >> results weren't that good as far as operation. I ended up fabricating a >> 'demand valve' which made all the difference in the world. The thing >> runs so good now I hate to tear it down to paint it! The engine is a >> Mery like those 2 that Reg recently finished. Pictures, sound and a >> video are located at the top of my main web page. >> - Steve >> -- >> Steve Gray >> Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 >> Sonora, California USA >> e-mail: segray at mlode.com >> Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com >> >> Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net >> Williamsburg, Michigan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Nov 20 00:18:40 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:18:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Vertical Stover Rings In-Reply-To: <001701c4ce1f$8e81dd40$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <200411200818.iAK8Ieir081082@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Thanks to those who replied to this one. I am still not sure when, why, or if there was a point at which Stover changed from three to four rings on the verticals. The parts book I have here (effective 1926) only shows three ring pistons for both the early style and later style engines. I think I will end up putting the three ring piston I have into my YC as it is in much better condition than the original four ring one that was in it. The original piston has a badly chopped out upper ring groove. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Patrick, My Patrick, My Stover A type (2HP) sn: 5148 has 3 rings. My YB (3HP) sn: 15669, has 4 rings. This engine is from 1909. I never paid any attention to it, because the A type is a smaller engine (4" bore) so I guess that's the reason. Hope this helps. Harry Terpstra From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Nov 20 00:21:00 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:21:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Vertical Stover Rings In-Reply-To: <001301c4ce01$ea1a2e50$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <200411200821.iAK8Kxoj082478@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Paul and Michael. The fuel saver would look just like the one on my 1917 YB. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/0902yb8.jpg There must have been a big batch sent off in 1917 as there are a lot of YCs and YBs here from that year :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Paul, My engine is 1917 and my fuel saver arm is missing. They look simple and when the time comes I will fabricate one. Michael From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Nov 20 00:19:55 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 08:19:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Browser Help In-Reply-To: <419E75B2.9020300@fidnet.com> References: <419E4466.6070804@fidnet.com> <4.2.2.20041119131908.00bb4c80@mail.earthlink.net> <9mpsp0d6smnustkshdi5qfi1jkgbiqhd62@4ax.com> <419E75B2.9020300@fidnet.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:37:38 -0600, you wrote: >Thanks Peter, I'll give it a look-see. I don't recall, is Agent what >you have been using? > >Gary Yup, we have been using it for 6 years or so, went over to it from Internet Exploder 4.01 and Netscape (before AOL got their hooks into them) There is a free version and a paid-for version. We use the paid-for version as it has more features and we can run more than one instance on the PC at the same time for different email addresses. They are past V2.0 now, but we stayed with V1.93 which has a layout/look that I prefer. We have got V2.0 but it is not used. One reason for not moving between different email clients too often is the archives that we keep of previous year's emails. We have back to 2001 on this PC and earlier years on HDD's from older machines. I should point out that Agent is only for email and newsgroups, we use Opera as an internet browser. Tried Firefox a few weeks ago but was very disappointed with it so stayed with Opera. We have IE on the PC for the occasional website which won't run on Opera. Opera is now up to V7.54, http://www.opera.com if you want to try the evaluation version. Peter From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Nov 20 06:31:03 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 07:31:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Pouring Babbitt..revisited References: <3khj62$gni8kh@mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the info JB. The book I have doesn't mention heating up the shaft so will try that next pour. The second pour on the cap went better except for a void about half the size of a jelly bean but at least it made it all the way to the ends. Pouring is no problem as this bearing cap already has a large oil reservoir. I'm sure you know the type. IR thermometer shows 143 on the pulley bearing and 120 on the blade bearing. Will cheat and get out the Plastigauge now. Probably strive for ~.005 on an 1 1/2 inch shaft. Catcha later and thanks again! Rick PS: Ya'll might be careful when tighting bearing caps with ears.!!! I already broke the bolt ear off one cap at 60 ft. lbs. Lucky I had another one. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Pouring Babbitt..revisited > > > Howdy all; > > Well I'm getting my first on hands experience pouring babbitt for the > > saw > > arbor bearings on the sawrig. > > > > Should I leave the ends partially open so the trapped air can escape > > or > > just dam them air tight? After a couple pours the babbitt in places > > doesn't > > want to make it all the way to the dams. > > > > > > Should I heat the shaft also? I'm heating the babbitt until it chars > > a > > stick. The casting until I'm sure all the moisture is out. > > > > Appreciate any advise and thanks for the threads over the years!!! > > > You have to have an in for the babbit and an out for the air. Try to heat > the shaft as well as the casting. Form a resrvoir on the pouring side to > give it a head little pressure, pour it fast. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jhcullom at adelphia.net Sat Nov 20 06:39:10 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:39:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pouring Babbitt..revisited References: <3khj62$gni8kh@mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <005001c4cf0e$b2e30250$6401a8c0@office> Rick, I have a file on the "Magnolia Metal Bearing Book" in PDF form I can email to you if you don't have it. It covers babbit bearings pretty good. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" >> > Well I'm getting my first on hands experience pouring babbitt for the >> > saw >> > arbor bearings on the sawrig. From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Fri Nov 19 11:31:01 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:31:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question References: <20041117113115.41034.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> <009f01c4ccf9$711c0040$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <005a01c4cda6$c610ee00$3775833e@harryp1811> <419E2B72.9000304@mlode.com> Message-ID: <00c101c4ce6e$4dc58050$3775833e@harryp1811> Hi Steve, Very nice job!!! I also like the way you hide the propane tank. I think in the US you have different gas regulators than we have here. I'll make a picture of our type tomorrow, and I can send it to you (or maybe to the SEL?) I also see that you have a Blackstone vertical. We have one, but it's just a little diffrent than yours. Ours is a parafine engine. You can see pictures of it here: http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/blackstone.htm I guess yours is gasoline only? You did a GREAT job!! Oh could you pass on the address that suplied you the information? TTYL, Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] old engines on Propane question > Hi Harry - > > I also recently entered the world of propane, this being on a newly > completed model. At first, I tried the simple approach of just piping > the gas to the mixer (two ball valves, one air, one gas), but didn't > like the idea of the unchecked gas flow if the engine stalled, and the > results weren't that good as far as operation. I ended up fabricating > a 'demand valve' which made all the difference in the world. The thing > runs so good now I hate to tear it down to paint it! The engine is a > Mery like those 2 that Reg recently finished. Pictures, sound and a > video are located at the top of my main web page. > > - Steve > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Sat Nov 20 07:56:53 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:56:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: <00fe01c474f3$154c1880$6401a8c0@john> Message-ID: Hi John, Do you have any idea what rotary mag Galloway put on their engines? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================== >From: "John Cullom" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:34:45 -0400 > >Hi Luke, > Great story! You're right about the date on the Galloway, as far as I >can >figure it. Too bad it didn't come with the rotary mag. Here are a couple >pics of another type of mag bracket similar to yours. I believe the same >mag >fit both bracket styles, but I'm not 100% sure. If someone else knows, let >me know. I've been looking in my Galloway literature but can't find any >pics >of the brackets. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/magbracketA.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/magbracketB.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/rotarymag.jpg > >John > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Sat Nov 20 08:06:59 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:06:59 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please In-Reply-To: <002b01c4ce21$0203c2a0$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: Thanks Harry. I hope I can get it too! I'd like to think I'm getting closer. He was looking to buy a Rumely and cannot locate the guy that had it, as he moved away. I think I can track him down and this might help to move things in my favor in purchasing the engine. Time will tell. It does need alot of work, but it will be worth it if I can get it home in the garage. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========================= >From: Harry Terpstra >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please >Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:17:43 +0100 > >Wow Luke!! >You did find something REAL nice!!!! >Actually I have no idea what is it, but it's obvious it very old, and a >real >odball!! >Look at the shape of that "A" frame base! I'm hooked;-) > >I have no idea what the valeu might be, and I geuss it's hard to put a >price >on something that is so rare. >It certaintly needs allot of TLC, but I'm sure it's worth it. > >Maybe you better don't go to him and raise your offer, because he might >think it's real valueable. >(But I know it's difficult;-) > >I hope you can get this one Luke!! >Good luck! > >Harry Terpstra >Sint Annaparochie >Netherlands >h.terpstra at wxs.nl >http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Luke Tonneberger" >To: >Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 3:06 AM >Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please > > > > Hi Everybody, > > > > I've been trying to buy an engine for a few years but haven't had any >luck. > > I stopped by to check on it after work tonight. I got lucky as the owner >was > > just pulling in the drive just as I was leaving. After chatting a bit I >made > > an offer on the engine. He thought for about 2 seconds and said probably > > not. Which was better than times before as all I got before was I'm not > > ready to sell it. I was led to believe he actually thought about it this > > time and I feel he might sell it if I come up with the right amount of > > money. But this is also the first time I offered a dollar figure. I also > > offered to come back and put a bucket over top of the engine to keep it >from > > rotting away any more, he replied with "Certainly, any time." I'm not >real > > framiliar with rare engines and the price they bring. > > > > My question is, can someone give me an approximate value of the engine > > pictured here? > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/roughvertical/roughvertical.html > > > > What would something like this bring if it was all restored? I don't >have >a > > clue and think I might be low in my offer, but then again I don't want >to > > offer more than a realistic price. Off list is Ok if you want. > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Sat Nov 20 08:15:20 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:15:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please In-Reply-To: <003001c4ce89$f7c2d9c0$9bf5f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: Hi Ed, I don't think the seller knows what it would cost to restore it either. From the looks of his place he's not much of a restorer, more of a horder. Lots of tractors is various states of disrepair along with lots of other junk. I'm not sure if he's ever fixed anything up. To each his own. I think it will cost quite a bit to bring this engine back to life. But time and patience would help. First I need to get it home in the garage first. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: "ED" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please >Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:49:00 -0500 > >Luke, > >You might think along the lines of what it would cost to restore the >engine, >ie buy a magneto and machine shop bills. In the end it is easy to have much >more invested in the engine than what it is worth. Of coarse we do it any >way, but it might give you some negation leverage. The seller probably has >no idea of the restoration costs. > >Ed Stoller >New Fairfield, CT > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Luke Tonneberger" >To: >Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 9:06 PM >Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please > > > > Hi Everybody, > > > > I've been trying to buy an engine for a few years but haven't had any >luck. > > I stopped by to check on it after work tonight. I got lucky as the owner >was > > just pulling in the drive just as I was leaving. After chatting a bit I >made > > an offer on the engine. He thought for about 2 seconds and said probably > > not. Which was better than times before as all I got before was I'm not > > ready to sell it. I was led to believe he actually thought about it this > > time and I feel he might sell it if I come up with the right amount of > > money. But this is also the first time I offered a dollar figure. I also > > offered to come back and put a bucket over top of the engine to keep it >from > > rotting away any more, he replied with "Certainly, any time." I'm not >real > > framiliar with rare engines and the price they bring. > > > > My question is, can someone give me an approximate value of the engine > > pictured here? > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/roughvertical/roughvertical.html > > > > What would something like this bring if it was all restored? I don't >have >a > > clue and think I might be low in my offer, but then again I don't want >to > > offer more than a realistic price. Off list is Ok if you want. > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sat Nov 20 08:50:22 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:50:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please References: Message-ID: <008801c4cf21$06d96f40$3775833e@harryp1811> Find this guy Luke!! Keep us informed if you get this OLD oddball! Good luck!! Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please > Thanks Harry. I hope I can get it too! I'd like to think I'm getting closer. > He was looking to buy a Rumely and cannot locate the guy that had it, as he > moved away. I think I can track him down and this might help to move things > in my favor in purchasing the engine. Time will tell. It does need alot of > work, but it will be worth it if I can get it home in the garage. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ========================= > > >From: Harry Terpstra > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please > >Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:17:43 +0100 > > > >Wow Luke!! > >You did find something REAL nice!!!! > >Actually I have no idea what is it, but it's obvious it very old, and a > >real > >odball!! > >Look at the shape of that "A" frame base! I'm hooked;-) > > > >I have no idea what the valeu might be, and I geuss it's hard to put a > >price > >on something that is so rare. > >It certaintly needs allot of TLC, but I'm sure it's worth it. > > > >Maybe you better don't go to him and raise your offer, because he might > >think it's real valueable. > >(But I know it's difficult;-) > > > >I hope you can get this one Luke!! > >Good luck! > > > >Harry Terpstra > >Sint Annaparochie > >Netherlands > >h.terpstra at wxs.nl > >http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Luke Tonneberger" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 3:06 AM > >Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please > > > > > > > Hi Everybody, > > > > > > I've been trying to buy an engine for a few years but haven't had any > >luck. > > > I stopped by to check on it after work tonight. I got lucky as the owner > >was > > > just pulling in the drive just as I was leaving. After chatting a bit I > >made > > > an offer on the engine. He thought for about 2 seconds and said probably > > > not. Which was better than times before as all I got before was I'm not > > > ready to sell it. I was led to believe he actually thought about it this > > > time and I feel he might sell it if I come up with the right amount of > > > money. But this is also the first time I offered a dollar figure. I also > > > offered to come back and put a bucket over top of the engine to keep it > >from > > > rotting away any more, he replied with "Certainly, any time." I'm not > >real > > > framiliar with rare engines and the price they bring. > > > > > > My question is, can someone give me an approximate value of the engine > > > pictured here? > > > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/roughvertical/roughvertical.html > > > > > > What would something like this bring if it was all restored? I don't > >have > >a > > > clue and think I might be low in my offer, but then again I don't want > >to > > > offer more than a realistic price. Off list is Ok if you want. > > > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > > Rockford, Michigan > > > USA > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rholtzer at earthlink.net Sat Nov 20 10:33:00 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:33:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Browser Help In-Reply-To: <419EB85B.40105@fidnet.com> References: <419E74E2.9000205@fidnet.com> <4.2.2.20041119131908.00bb4c80@mail.earthlink.net> <419E74E2.9000205@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20041120103247.00c36a58@mail.earthlink.net> Let us know if you do! Bob H At 09:22 PM 11/19/2004 -0600, you wrote: >Robert, I should probably add that I bought the CD and manual rather than >download it via the net. The manual seems to cover Firefox,the browser, >but not Thunderbird, the email program. Now if I can find a manual for >the email program... > >Gary > >Gary Epps wrote: >> Yes it has a manual, no it's not free, and yee I have it. However, it >> doesn't say anything about the email program, juat Mozilla Firefox the browser. >>Gary >>Robert L. Holtzer wrote: >> >>>I think Mozilla has a manual. Probably not free?? >>> >>> >>>Bob Holtzer >>> >>>At 01:07 PM 11/19/2004 -0600, you wrote: >>> >>>>I have been using Mozilla Thunderbird for email for the past week and I >>>>can't find a way to add a signature, nor can I get it to check email >>>>every few minutes and auI tomatically download it to my computer, and >>>>it doesn't search for email on start-up and download it. >>>> >>>>Does anyone know where I can find the settings to get it to do this? >>>>I would appreciate any help. Please reply off-list. >>>> >>>>Thank you, >>>> >>>>Gary >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>SEL mailing list >>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From segray at mlode.com Sat Nov 20 21:48:35 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:48:35 -0800 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question In-Reply-To: <00c101c4ce6e$4dc58050$3775833e@harryp1811> References: <20041117113115.41034.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> <009f01c4ccf9$711c0040$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <005a01c4cda6$c610ee00$3775833e@harryp1811> <419E2B72.9000304@mlode.com> <00c101c4ce6e$4dc58050$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <41A02C33.8020702@mlode.com> Hi Harry - My ignition parts and (indirectly) the plans for the demand valve came from a gent in Colorado. I'm fairly sure he's the one that supplied the valve info, since I actually got the plans from a fellow model builder here in this area. The address I have is: Model Project Plans & Kits Jerry E. Howell 3980 Becket Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80906 The blue prints for the valve were originally conceived and drawn by: Richard Williams 39459 Crawfordsville Drive Sweet Home, OR 97386 I have no idea if this guy is still at this address. I just put up 3 pictures of the valve I made at: http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/valve1.jpg http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/valve2.jpg http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/valve3.jpg The four 6-32 screws will eventually be steel 6-32 miniature bolts. The Blackstone is a 3 1/2 HP gasoline only. Sure runs good! Thanks for the compliments. TTYL - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Harry Terpstra wrote: >Hi Steve, > >Very nice job!!! >I also like the way you hide the propane tank. >I think in the US you have different gas regulators than we have here. >I'll make a picture of our type tomorrow, and I can send it to you (or maybe >to the SEL?) > >I also see that you have a Blackstone vertical. >We have one, but it's just a little diffrent than yours. Ours is a parafine >engine. You can see pictures of it here: >http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/blackstone.htm >I guess yours is gasoline only? You did a GREAT job!! >Oh could you pass on the address that suplied you the information? > >TTYL, > >Harry Terpstra >Sint Annaparochie >Netherlands >h.terpstra at wxs.nl >http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > From edstoller at earthlink.net Sat Nov 20 15:08:13 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:08:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question References: <14700-419EAB28-186@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> <001001c4ceb6$604aa190$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> Message-ID: <004301c4cf55$d18a7b60$28f5f504@x8h7l9> I have an internet friend that has a Kohler 800 generator with a Briggs and Stratton Model B engine which is set up to run on natural gas. The engine is 2 or 3 HP so the set up might be more what is ended for a real engine. I can send a picture off list if interested. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "F86SABRE" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] old engines on Propane question > There is a plan for building a propane demand regulator on the website of > the Florida Association of Model Engineers. Just go the website, Tips and > Info, and Assorted Model Engine building tips. It is the third one from the > top. > Dan Bousman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Bowen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:25 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] old engines on Propane question > > > > Steve & Larry, > > > > Yes Steve, > > Please do tell and keep it on-list. > > I am also very interested. > > > > Thanks, > > Alan Bowen > > > > ~~~~~Larry Anger wrote~~~~~ > > > > Steve - I'm very interested in propane also. Could you give me some > > insight as to how you constructed the "demand valve". I would appreciate > > your hwlp so I could make one also. > > > > Thanks, Larry Anger, Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada. > > > > > > Steve Gray wrote: > > Hi Harry - > > I also recently entered the world of propane, this being on a newly > > completed model. At first, I tried the simple approach of just piping > > the gas to the mixer (two ball valves, one air, one gas), but didn't > > like the idea of the unchecked gas flow if the engine stalled, and the > > results weren't that good as far as operation. I ended up fabricating a > > 'demand valve' which made all the difference in the world. The thing > > runs so good now I hate to tear it down to paint it! The engine is a > > Mery like those 2 that Reg recently finished. Pictures, sound and a > > video are located at the top of my main web page. > > - Steve > > -- > > Steve Gray > > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 > > Sonora, California USA > > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > > > Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net > > Williamsburg, Michigan > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sat Nov 20 10:17:24 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:17:24 +0100 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question References: <20041117113115.41034.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com><009f01c4ccf9$711c0040$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net><005a01c4cda6$c610ee00$3775833e@harryp1811> <419E2B72.9000304@mlode.com> <00c101c4ce6e$4dc58050$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <002c01c4cf2d$3123bc40$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Harry, Steve and all, You may save yourself the trouble, I got a nice picture of our well known propane gas regulaters in stock. It can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/regulater.jpg The RED regulater is for the pressure and the BLUE one is for demand or as we say here "sucking valve". When starting the engine you push the brass botton on the BLUE one and the gas flows to the engine, the engine starts to run and every inlet stroke an amount of gas flows to the inlet side. When the engine stops the valve closes and there's no further harm. These regulaters are very scarce at the moment here cause more and more engine man switch over to use gas for their engines. Originally all those regulaters come from the UK, they were used on the Listers, Wolseleys etc. and mostly for milking units. Ps. Visited Harry and his Dad Lieuwe this afternoon and had a great time playing with their new 2 hp vert. air cooled Famous and running on propane of course. Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Hi Steve, > > Very nice job!!! > I also like the way you hide the propane tank. > I think in the US you have different gas regulators than we have here. > I'll make a picture of our type tomorrow, and I can send it to you (or maybe > to the SEL?) > > I also see that you have a Blackstone vertical. > We have one, but it's just a little diffrent than yours. Ours is a parafine > engine. You can see pictures of it here: > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/blackstone.htm > I guess yours is gasoline only? You did a GREAT job!! > Oh could you pass on the address that suplied you the information? > > TTYL, > > Harry Terpstra From brock at netspeed.com.au Sun Nov 21 04:07:18 2004 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:07:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please References: Message-ID: <006901c4cfc2$a7e27de0$5f11fea9@merlin> G,day Luke a mate of mine has always said the value depends on how bad you want the engine hope this helps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 1:06 PM Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please > Hi Everybody, > > I've been trying to buy an engine for a few years but haven't had any > luck. I stopped by to check on it after work tonight. I got lucky as the > owner was just pulling in the drive just as I was leaving. After chatting > a bit I made an offer on the engine. He thought for about 2 seconds and > said probably not. Which was better than times before as all I got before > was I'm not ready to sell it. I was led to believe he actually thought > about it this time and I feel he might sell it if I come up with the right > amount of money. But this is also the first time I offered a dollar > figure. I also offered to come back and put a bucket over top of the > engine to keep it from rotting away any more, he replied with "Certainly, > any time." I'm not real framiliar with rare engines and the price they > bring. > > My question is, can someone give me an approximate value of the engine > pictured here? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/roughvertical/roughvertical.html > > What would something like this bring if it was all restored? I don't have > a clue and think I might be low in my offer, but then again I don't want > to offer more than a realistic price. Off list is Ok if you want. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Nov 21 05:29:25 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:29:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Joe Maurer in hospital Message-ID: <112120041329.26504.dbf@mchsi.com> Thought I might pass on that my good friend Joe Maurer was taken to the hospital after having severe chest pains on friday. They ran all kinds of tests at the local hospital in Freeport then determined couldn't help him so they medivaced him to a Truma Center in Rockford where they finally found that he had a severly torn Arota wall and after 4hrs of surgery the reconstructed the wall saving his life. Spoke with his family yesterday and he is now off the respirator and being transfered to room sometime today. Will post any updates as I get them. Curt Andree From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Nov 21 05:41:22 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:41:22 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Joe Maurer in hospital In-Reply-To: <112120041329.26504.dbf@mchsi.com> References: <112120041329.26504.dbf@mchsi.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:29:25 +0000, you wrote: >Thought I might pass on that my good friend Joe Maurer was taken to the >hospital after having severe chest pains on friday. They ran all kinds of >tests at the local hospital in Freeport then determined couldn't help him so >they medivaced him to a Truma Center in Rockford where they finally found that >he had a severly torn Arota wall and after 4hrs of surgery the reconstructed >the wall saving his life. Spoke with his family yesterday and he is now off >the respirator and being transfered to room sometime today. Will post any >updates as I get them. >Curt Andree Send him our best wishes for a full recovery please, Curt. Peter From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Nov 21 06:31:23 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:31:23 EST Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question Message-ID: <1c0.20e3eb05.2ed200bb@aol.com> In a message dated 11/20/2004 2:05:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, segray at mlode.com writes: << (http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/mery114net.jpg ) >> Steve, A beautiful engine! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Nov 19 06:35:02 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:35:02 -0000 Subject: [SEL] OT but it could happen to a large engine. Message-ID: <000501c4ce44$f5d3e860$8c9f0952@no1> http://monkeyup.my-bulldog.com/pages/monkeyup_my-bulldog_com/Ooops.html Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Sun Nov 21 08:12:20 2004 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 08:12:20 -0800 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question In-Reply-To: <41A02C33.8020702@mlode.com> Message-ID: <000601c4cfe4$e1728b50$28dfd2d8@ownert3gdbbaf7> Greetings Harry, The address below for Richard is still a good one. His phone # 541-367-4902 or you can send him an e-mail at pattyw at proaxis.com Wayne A Thackery -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Steve Gray Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:49 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] old engines on Propane question Hi Harry - My ignition parts and (indirectly) the plans for the demand valve came from a gent in Colorado. I'm fairly sure he's the one that supplied the valve info, since I actually got the plans from a fellow model builder here in this area. The address I have is: Model Project Plans & Kits Jerry E. Howell 3980 Becket Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80906 The blue prints for the valve were originally conceived and drawn by: Richard Williams 39459 Crawfordsville Drive Sweet Home, OR 97386 I have no idea if this guy is still at this address. I just put up 3 pictures of the valve I made at: http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/valve1.jpg http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/valve2.jpg http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/valve3.jpg The four 6-32 screws will eventually be steel 6-32 miniature bolts. The Blackstone is a 3 1/2 HP gasoline only. Sure runs good! Thanks for the compliments. TTYL - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Harry Terpstra wrote: >Hi Steve, > >Very nice job!!! >I also like the way you hide the propane tank. >I think in the US you have different gas regulators than we have here. >I'll make a picture of our type tomorrow, and I can send it to you (or maybe >to the SEL?) > >I also see that you have a Blackstone vertical. >We have one, but it's just a little diffrent than yours. Ours is a parafine >engine. You can see pictures of it here: >http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/blackstone.htm >I guess yours is gasoline only? You did a GREAT job!! >Oh could you pass on the address that suplied you the information? > >TTYL, > >Harry Terpstra >Sint Annaparochie >Netherlands >h.terpstra at wxs.nl >http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Nov 21 08:29:08 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:29:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net> Does anyone have the "inside scoop" on the problems at the November 7th Tri-State membership meeting vis-a-vis Ken Doherty? Dave From glenn.karch at gte.net Sun Nov 21 11:13:19 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:13:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000001c4cffe$9166e920$7129ea41@oemcomputer> Dave, I got a call from Ken Doherty inviting me to come to the meeting, but I had other commitments for that day. When I quizzed him, he just said it was going to be an interesting meeting. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 10:29 AM Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? > Does anyone have the "inside scoop" on the problems at the November 7th > Tri-State membership meeting vis-a-vis Ken Doherty? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Sun Nov 21 11:36:04 2004 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:36:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question In-Reply-To: <000601c4cfe4$e1728b50$28dfd2d8@ownert3gdbbaf7> Message-ID: <20041121193604.21734.qmail@web25009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi One and All And Jerry Howells' web site is: http://www.jerry-howell.com/ He is a very well respected model engineer. Regards Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea --- Wayne Thackery wrote: > > Greetings Harry, > > The address below for Richard is still a good one. His phone # 541-367-4902 > or you can send him an e-mail at pattyw at proaxis.com > > Wayne A Thackery > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Steve Gray > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:49 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] old engines on Propane question > > > Hi Harry - > > My ignition parts and (indirectly) the plans for the demand valve came > from a gent in Colorado. I'm fairly sure he's the one that supplied the > valve info, since I actually got the plans from a fellow model builder > here in this area. The address I have is: > > Model Project Plans & Kits > Jerry E. Howell > 3980 Becket Drive > Colorado Springs, CO 80906 > > The blue prints for the valve were originally conceived and drawn by: > > Richard Williams > 39459 Crawfordsville Drive > Sweet Home, OR 97386 > > I have no idea if this guy is still at this address. I just put up 3 > pictures of the valve I made at: > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/valve1.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/valve2.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/valve3.jpg > > The four 6-32 screws will eventually be steel 6-32 miniature bolts. > > The Blackstone is a 3 1/2 HP gasoline only. Sure runs good! Thanks for > the compliments. > > TTYL > > - Steve > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > > > Harry Terpstra wrote: > > >Hi Steve, > > > >Very nice job!!! > >I also like the way you hide the propane tank. > >I think in the US you have different gas regulators than we have here. > >I'll make a picture of our type tomorrow, and I can send it to you (or > maybe > >to the SEL?) > > > >I also see that you have a Blackstone vertical. > >We have one, but it's just a little diffrent than yours. Ours is a parafine > >engine. You can see pictures of it here: > >http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/blackstone.htm > >I guess yours is gasoline only? You did a GREAT job!! > >Oh could you pass on the address that suplied you the information? > > > >TTYL, > > > >Harry Terpstra > >Sint Annaparochie > >Netherlands > >h.terpstra at wxs.nl > >http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ___________________________________________________________ Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Sun Nov 21 12:54:58 2004 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:54:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rice & Sargent steam engine progress Message-ID: <000d01c4d00c$5d34e8b0$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> Hi All! Those of you that have been on here for four or five years may remember the rescue of a 450 H.P. Rice & Sargent Corliss steam engine from the basement of the now demolished L.C.Smith and Brothers Typewriter Company. Inspired by the SEL group, and the Tod Engine Project, we were successful in moving the engine to a new home, building a museum around it, and obtaining a small boiler to roll it over with. We are getting closer to opening the museum, but a few critical items are holding us up. We need to bore the engine, as there was some scoring, so I have made up a rig for that, there is a little lubrication piping to be done, but the big item is piping up the boiler to the engine. We restored a steam pump for another museum and received a nice donation for our efforts, and we are buying the 4" stop and check valve for the top of the boiler as well as some 6" schedule 80 pipe to serve as a header. The valve turned out to be about a $1200.00 item, so we shopped for a used valve and managed to find a rebuilt valve for $800.00. The problem is, that valve weighs 250 lbs. and is in Lynwood, California. I think I can safely assume freight will eat up the difference, as we are in Camillus, N.Y., just west of Syracuse. So, we are asking for a little advice.... should we: 1)Try to find a rebuilder closer to home? I've been searching for a while, but I don't know everyone, so if you know of a valve rebuilder that may have a y-pattern 4" stop & check globe valve such as a Crane 28E, let us know. Or... 2)Give up the $400.00 savings ( a lot of money, to us anyways!) and buy a new one locally? Or... 3)Try to arrange a ride (or rides) for it from Lynwood, CA to points east until we get it home? I'm a little hesitant about asking since it's not a gas engine and is heavy, too much for one guy without equipment to handle alone, but I have seen this list accomplish wondrous feats when it comes to helping old iron migrate to a new home. What do you think, is this a project worthy of SEL help, or too far OT? If you do think a ride can be arranged, what is the proper way to go about it? I'd appreciate your views, and thanks for taking the time in advance! You can see what's been done so far at: http://www.eriecanalcamillus.com Just click on "Steam Engine". Best Regards; Jim Mackessy Camillus Canal Park Steam Museum Camillus, New York, USA From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Nov 21 12:45:52 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:45:52 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Rice & Sargent steam engine progress In-Reply-To: <000d01c4d00c$5d34e8b0$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> References: <000d01c4d00c$5d34e8b0$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:54:58 -0500, you wrote: >Hi All! > Those of you that have been on here for four or five years may remember >the >rescue of a 450 H.P. Rice & Sargent Corliss steam engine from the basement >of >the now demolished L.C.Smith and Brothers Typewriter Company. Inspired by >the SEL group, and the Tod Engine Project, we were successful in moving the >engine to a new home, building a museum around it, and obtaining a small >boiler >to roll it over with. We are getting closer to opening the museum, but a few >critical >items are holding us up. We need to bore the engine, as there was some >scoring, >so I have made up a rig for that, there is a little lubrication piping to be >done, but >the big item is piping up the boiler to the engine. We restored a steam pump >for >another museum and received a nice donation for our efforts, and we are >buying >the 4" stop and check valve for the top of the boiler as well as some 6" >schedule >80 pipe to serve as a header. The valve turned out to be about a $1200.00 >item, >so we shopped for a used valve and managed to find a rebuilt valve for >$800.00. >The problem is, that valve weighs 250 lbs. and is in Lynwood, California. I >think >I can safely assume freight will eat up the difference, as we are in >Camillus, N.Y., >just west of Syracuse. So, we are asking for a little advice.... should we: >1)Try to find a rebuilder closer to home? I've been searching for a while, >but I don't > know everyone, so if you know of a valve rebuilder that may have a >y-pattern > 4" stop & check globe valve such as a Crane 28E, let us know. Or... >2)Give up the $400.00 savings ( a lot of money, to us anyways!) and buy a >new > one locally? Or... >3)Try to arrange a ride (or rides) for it from Lynwood, CA to points east >until > we get it home? > I'm a little hesitant about asking since it's not a gas engine and is >heavy, too >much for one guy without equipment to handle alone, but I have seen this >list >accomplish wondrous feats when it comes to helping old iron migrate to a new >home. What do you think, is this a project worthy of SEL help, or too far >OT? >If you do think a ride can be arranged, what is the proper way to go about >it? >I'd appreciate your views, and thanks for taking the time in advance! > You can see what's been done so far at: >http://www.eriecanalcamillus.com >Just click on "Steam Engine". >Best Regards; >Jim Mackessy Jim: It's been done before, both in the USA and in the UK and Australia. It may take a while to organise but engines and other things have travelled the length and breadth of the countries on the 'engine old-boy' network. I am sure that help will be forthcoming eventually, pity we cannot offer any immediate help from over here, but all the best in your endeavours! Peter From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Nov 21 15:38:02 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:38:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <41A126DA.6000800@scrtc.com> Dave, I had heard some rumblings about the Tri State meeting but haven't heard what happened or what the real issues were (probably $$$$ related in some way). I've been a member of the Tri State Club off and on for 30 years and am concerned about its future leadership and direction. If you or anyone knows what happened, please let us know. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Dave Rotigel wrote: > Does anyone have the "inside scoop" on the problems at the November > 7th Tri-State membership meeting vis-a-vis Ken Doherty? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From lfevans at pacbell.net Sun Nov 21 16:43:43 2004 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 16:43:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Battery source Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20041121164216.022d9708@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Hi..... Harbor Freight has a 500,000 candle power cordless spotlight on sale in their retail stores (at least here in California) that has an easily removable 6 volt lead acid battery. There is a built in charger in the body of the flashlight with both 110 vac and 12 vdc adapters. The battery seems to work just fine on low tension ignitions but haven't tried it yet on a high tension system. At a cost of $7.99 it seems like a pretty good deal for a battery and charger that you can incidentally use as a spotlight between engine shows. Unlike many of these hand held lights it has a screw off back for access to the battery. The battery is about 2 x 2.5 x 4 inches. Their item number is 43972 and the catalog my brother has claims the price is good to 12-6-04. I have no connection with Harbor Freight but thought this might be of use to someone. A couple of pictures at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/battery/ Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From Todengine at aol.com Sun Nov 21 16:52:22 2004 From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:52:22 EST Subject: [SEL] Rice & Sargent steam engine progress Message-ID: <149.39020a7e.2ed29246@aol.com> Hey Jim I was wondering how things were going with that "little" engine you have up there! :-)) From the pictures she sure is a beauty! If someone can get that valve as far as Ohio I'll volunteer to take it on its last leg of the journey to deliver to your doorstep! Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH www.todengine.org From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Nov 21 16:53:54 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:53:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Battery source In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20041121164216.022d9708@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20041121164216.022d9708@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121195004.025979a8@mail.alltel.net> At 07:43 PM 11/21/2004, you wrote: >Hi..... >Harbor Freight has a 500,000 candle power cordless spotlight on sale in >their retail stores (at least here in California) that has an easily >removable 6 volt lead acid battery. There is a built in charger in the >body of the flashlight with both 110 vac and 12 vdc adapters. The battery >seems to work just fine on low tension ignitions but haven't tried it yet >on a high tension system. At a cost of $7.99 it seems like a pretty good >deal for a battery and charger that you can incidentally use as a >spotlight between engine shows. Unlike many of these hand held lights it >has a screw off back for access to the battery. The battery is about 2 x >2.5 x 4 inches. Their item number is 43972 and the catalog my brother has >claims the price is good to 12-6-04. >I have no connection with Harbor Freight but thought this might be of use >to someone. >A couple of pictures at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/battery/ >Larry Evans Hi Larry, It's $11.99 at: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?function=Search Still not a bad buy at all! Dave From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com Sun Nov 21 17:20:29 2004 From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:20:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present References: Message-ID: <002101c4d031$752d6260$f3c77040@user> Luke, don't know if you found what you are looking for but I have a 5 or 6 hp Galloway with the mag, and gear guard on it. Brkt # 00 02, I think, as it was through a mirror and buried. Can get you a picture if you want. Paul Russell Riga, Michigan hit_n_miss at tc3net.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present Hi John, Do you have any idea what rotary mag Galloway put on their engines? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================== >From: "John Cullom" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:34:45 -0400 > >Hi Luke, > Great story! You're right about the date on the Galloway, as far as I >can >figure it. Too bad it didn't come with the rotary mag. Here are a couple >pics of another type of mag bracket similar to yours. I believe the same >mag >fit both bracket styles, but I'm not 100% sure. If someone else knows, let >me know. I've been looking in my Galloway literature but can't find any >pics >of the brackets. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/magbracketA.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/magbracketB.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/rotarymag.jpg > >John > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BillMil357 at aol.com Sun Nov 21 17:29:44 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:29:44 EST Subject: [SEL] Battery source Message-ID: <1ac.2c064411.2ed29b08@aol.com> Larry I found my Harbor Freight sales bulletin, and the 43972 rechargeable light is on sale in our local store here in Memphis until 12-06-04 like you said for $7.99. Does anyone know what volt the battery is? See ya, Bill Miller. From lfevans at pacbell.net Sun Nov 21 18:10:36 2004 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:10:36 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Battery source In-Reply-To: <1ac.2c064411.2ed29b08@aol.com> References: <1ac.2c064411.2ed29b08@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20041121180159.02383448@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Bill... Thanks for the information that it probably is a nation wide price. I just measured the voltage of one at 6.5 fully charged so I guess my initial mention of 6 volts was close enough. At 05:29 PM 11/21/2004, you wrote: >Larry > >I found my Harbor Freight sales bulletin, and the 43972 rechargeable light is >on sale in our local store here in Memphis until 12-06-04 like you said for >$7.99. Does anyone know what volt the battery is? > >See ya, > >Bill Miller. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From BillMil357 at aol.com Sun Nov 21 18:48:30 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:48:30 EST Subject: [SEL] Battery source Message-ID: <1f1.2f101726.2ed2ad7e@aol.com> Hey Larry I am confused you say it tests out to be 6 volts but in the following link it is shown to be 12 Volt, check this link out, http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?function=Search See ya Bill Miller. From BillMil357 at aol.com Sun Nov 21 18:55:55 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:55:55 EST Subject: [SEL] Battery source Message-ID: <145.394d6a3b.2ed2af3b@aol.com> Hey Larry; The Link I gave you came up that it was an invalid part number so go ahead and bring that link up and you will see on the left a place to search part by part # so type in the part # 43972 and click go and the light should come up. See ya, Bill Miller. From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Nov 21 18:47:21 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:47:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Battery source Message-ID: <20041121.220123.1128.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Larry. Sounds good - - - Could use it on Buzz Coil ignition. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Nov 21 19:14:30 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:14:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? In-Reply-To: <41A126DA.6000800@scrtc.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net> <41A126DA.6000800@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121220331.12f331f0@mail.alltel.net> >Dave, > I had heard some rumblings about the Tri State meeting but haven't > heard what happened or what the real issues were (probably $$$$ related > in some way). I've been a member of the Tri State Club off and on for 30 > years and am concerned about its future leadership and direction. If you > or anyone knows what happened, please let us know. >Tommy Turner Hi Tommy I have only 2nd hand knowledge (that's been provided to me off List) and thus I don't feel at liberty to say too much. Portland will survive, and if it's cut back by 20% (or so) it will still be the greatest engine show on the face of this earth! Dave PS, Al Confer was elected as President. From lfevans at pacbell.net Sun Nov 21 19:15:07 2004 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:15:07 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Battery source In-Reply-To: <1f1.2f101726.2ed2ad7e@aol.com> References: <1f1.2f101726.2ed2ad7e@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20041121190406.02375b48@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Bill........... I'm sure that what they mean is that it is rechargeable from a 12 volt source. The AC adapter that comes with it puts out 12 volts and of course the cigarette lighter plug in adapter puts out 12 volts but I am sure the built in battery charger has a voltage regulator as part of the circuitry. The built in charger is even sophisticated enough to shut off when full charge is reached and turn off the indicator light which is more than an older one I have does. Regards, Larry At 06:48 PM 11/21/2004, you wrote: >Hey Larry > >I am confused you say it tests out to be 6 volts but in the following link it >is shown to be 12 Volt, check this link out, > >http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?function=Search > >See ya > >Bill Miller. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From frank at lbpinc.com Sun Nov 21 19:31:52 2004 From: frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:31:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Battery source In-Reply-To: <145.394d6a3b.2ed2af3b@aol.com> References: <145.394d6a3b.2ed2af3b@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20041121223030.02991140@MAIL1.THEBOOK.COM> It is a 6 volt says 3fm 4.5 Google says 6 volt 4.5 amp hr http://www.elights.com/6voltbat.html At 09:55 PM 11/21/2004, you wrote: >Hey Larry; > >The Link I gave you came up that it was an invalid part number so go ahead >and bring that link up and you will see on the left a place to search part by >part # so type in the part # 43972 and click go and the light should come up. > >See ya, > >Bill Miller. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W 77.5164| Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com From old_iron at msn.com Sun Nov 21 20:53:18 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:53:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Joe Maurer in hospital In-Reply-To: <112120041329.26504.dbf@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Send him our best wishes for a speedy recovery, he will be in our prayers. Bill & Peg Pfeiffer >From: cgandree at mchsi.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL list) >Subject: [SEL] OT Joe Maurer in hospital >Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:29:25 +0000 > >Thought I might pass on that my good friend Joe Maurer was taken to the >hospital after having severe chest pains on friday. They ran all kinds of >tests at the local hospital in Freeport then determined couldn't help him >so >they medivaced him to a Truma Center in Rockford where they finally found >that >he had a severly torn Arota wall and after 4hrs of surgery the >reconstructed >the wall saving his life. Spoke with his family yesterday and he is now off >the respirator and being transfered to room sometime today. Will post any >updates as I get them. >Curt Andree >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 21 21:12:43 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:12:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Joe Maurer in hospital References: <112120041329.26504.dbf@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <002c01c4d051$e7f136d0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Curt please get me Joe's phone number so I can call him when he feels like receiving calls. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL list" Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 7:29 AM Subject: [SEL] OT Joe Maurer in hospital > Thought I might pass on that my good friend Joe Maurer was taken to the > hospital after having severe chest pains on friday. They ran all kinds of > tests at the local hospital in Freeport then determined couldn't help him > so > they medivaced him to a Truma Center in Rockford where they finally found > that > he had a severly torn Arota wall and after 4hrs of surgery the > reconstructed > the wall saving his life. Spoke with his family yesterday and he is now > off > the respirator and being transfered to room sometime today. Will post any > updates as I get them. > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From segray at mlode.com Sun Nov 21 23:28:54 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:28:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question In-Reply-To: <1c0.20e3eb05.2ed200bb@aol.com> References: <1c0.20e3eb05.2ed200bb@aol.com> Message-ID: <41A19536.7070507@mlode.com> Thanks Tom! Should be changing from black and white to some colors here in the near future! :-) - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Germoamer at aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 11/20/2004 2:05:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, >segray at mlode.com writes: > ><< (http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/mery114net.jpg ) >> > > >Steve, > >A beautiful engine! > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. USA >Germoamer at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Sun Nov 21 08:03:01 2004 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 16:03:01 -0000 Subject: [SEL] marks magnetos Message-ID: <005a01c4cfe3$afc81df0$0294e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi everybody, I was wondering if anyone can help by giving me either an email address or a website address for Mark's magneto service See you latter, Craig Morrison from Scotland From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Nov 22 03:08:13 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:08:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] marks magnetos References: <005a01c4cfe3$afc81df0$0294e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <000d01c4d083$8fb3b970$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Craig, here you're. www.deschene.com/marksmagneto Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web Hi everybody, I was wondering if anyone can help by giving me either an email address or a website address for Mark's magneto service See you latter, Craig Morrison from Scotland _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustyiron at bigpond.com Sun Nov 21 15:14:32 2004 From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:14:32 +0800 Subject: [SEL] marks magnetos References: <005a01c4cfe3$afc81df0$0294e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <002701c4d01f$f7ddfa60$f093fea9@ibmbnh186c> Hi Craig. All I have for Mark is his mailing address, if you do get a website can you pass it on? Marks Magneto Service 395 South Burhnam Hwy. Lisban, CT. 06351 860-887-1094 Andy.... Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 12:03 AM Subject: [SEL] marks magnetos Hi everybody, I was wondering if anyone can help by giving me either an email address or a website address for Mark's magneto service See you latter, Craig Morrison from Scotland _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Nov 22 04:25:13 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:25:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: <002101c4d031$752d6260$f3c77040@user> Message-ID: Hi Paul, I have a different setup from the sounds of your description. Mine is set up for a friction drive rotary mag off the flywheel. You can see a picture of the bracket here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/galloway/galloway3.jpg I'll probably just try to find one that will match up to the slots in the bracket. Thanks. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA P.S. Will be over in your area in Tecumseh Thursday and Friday with family. Was born and raised there. Lots of our family history in Riga. =============== >From: "Paul Russell" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present >Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:20:29 -0500 > >Luke, don't know if you found what you are looking for but I have a 5 or 6 >hp Galloway with the mag, and gear guard on it. Brkt # 00 02, I think, as >it >was through a mirror and buried. Can get you a picture if you want. > >Paul Russell >Riga, Michigan >hit_n_miss at tc3net.com > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Luke Tonneberger" >To: >Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 10:56 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > >Hi John, > >Do you have any idea what rotary mag Galloway put on their engines? > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Nov 22 06:30:30 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:30:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Pouring Babbitt..revisited References: <3khj62$gni8kh@mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net> <005001c4cf0e$b2e30250$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: Thanks John! I already have it downloaded...jus too darn lazy to read it. Will bite the bullet and get it out. Re: Luke's rotary mag question, I have a picture of a Galloway with a mag. Looking now on the CD. later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Pouring Babbitt..revisited > Rick, > I have a file on the "Magnolia Metal Bearing Book" in PDF form I can > email > to you if you don't have it. It covers babbit bearings pretty good. > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > >> > Well I'm getting my first on hands experience pouring babbitt for the > >> > saw > >> > arbor bearings on the sawrig. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Mon Nov 22 06:42:54 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 06:42:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041122144254.76980.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Luke Here is a little larger ~7hp galloway that has a galloway rotary mag..Not sure who made it for them. Wizzard? This one has the coil inside of the magnets. I have 2 wizzards on the shelf with plans to use them on a challenge or two with separate coils. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004Baraboo/Engines/2/05.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004Baraboo/Engines/2/06.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004Baraboo/Engines/2/08.JPG You might need to check for link wrapping. Steve --- Luke Tonneberger wrote: Hi Paul, I have a different setup from the sounds of your description. Mine is set up for a friction drive rotary mag off the flywheel. You can see a picture of the bracket here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/galloway/galloway3.jpg I'll probably just try to find one that will match up to the slots in the bracket. Thanks. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =============== From: "Paul Russell" Luke, don't know if you found what you are looking for but I have a 5 or 6 hp Galloway with the mag, and gear guard on it. Brkt # 00 02, I think, as it was through a mirror and buried. Can get you a picture if you want. Paul Russell Riga, Michigan hit_n_miss at tc3net.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" Hi John, Do you have any idea what rotary mag Galloway put on their engines? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===== ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Nov 22 07:14:52 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:14:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: <20041122144254.76980.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041122144254.76980.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041122100441.12f53bc8@mail.alltel.net> Hi Steve, What you have pictured looks more like a generator than a magneto to me. Looks like the engine starts on a battery and then is changed over to the (whatever it is) for running. Am I correct on that? Dave PS, If it's a magneto how does the timing work? (Not the trip of the points, but the timing for firing the magneto?) PPS, If I am correct that it is a generator, then it's about the same set up as my 15 HP "push button" Domestic. The Domestic generator only produces about 3v at the slow speed at which I run it. That's not enough to fire the buzz coil on it! At 09:42 AM 11/22/2004, you wrote: >Luke > >Here is a little larger ~7hp galloway that has a galloway rotary mag..Not >sure who made it for them. Wizzard? This one has the coil inside of the >magnets. I have 2 wizzards on the shelf with plans to use them on a >challenge or two with separate coils. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004Baraboo/Engines/2/05.JPG > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004Baraboo/Engines/2/06.JPG > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004Baraboo/Engines/2/08.JPG > >You might need to check for link wrapping. > >Steve >--- Luke Tonneberger wrote: >Hi Paul, > >I have a different setup from the sounds of your description. Mine is set >up for a friction drive rotary mag off the flywheel. You can see a picture >of the bracket here: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/galloway/galloway3.jpg > >I'll probably just try to find one that will match up to the slots in >the bracket. Thanks. > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA > >=============== > >From: "Paul Russell" > >Luke, don't know if you found what you are looking for but I have a 5 or 6 >hp Galloway with the mag, and gear guard on it. Brkt # 00 02, I think, as >it was through a mirror and buried. Can get you a picture if you want. > >Paul Russell >Riga, Michigan >hit_n_miss at tc3net.com > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Luke Tonneberger" > >Hi John, > >Do you have any idea what rotary mag Galloway put on their engines? > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA > > >===== >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr > stevebarr at ameritech.net >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Nov 22 07:17:23 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:17:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Joe Maurer update Message-ID: <112220041517.21649.6638@mchsi.com> Just got off the phone with Joe Maurer and he is out of Intensive care unit in his own room. Very sore but feeling better and able to remember who hes talking too. Believe he wouldn't mind hearing from all of us since he realizes that if he had not been flown to Trauma Center he would not be here. The prayers worked! Thankyou to all who cares. Curt Joe's address: Dean "JOE" Maurer %OSF Saint Anthonys Medical Center 5666 East State Street, Room #420 Rockford, Illinois 61108 Phone: 1-800-343-3185 room #420 From stevebarr at ameritech.net Mon Nov 22 07:40:36 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:40:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041122100441.12f53bc8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <20041122154036.96893.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> Dave You are correct that it is a genrator. Too much work and not enough play out here...The galloway that I pictured has a battery in the wheel that they use to start it on. Steve --- Dave Rotigel wrote: Hi Steve, What you have pictured looks more like a generator than a magneto to me. Looks like the engine starts on a battery and then is changed over to the (whatever it is) for running. Am I correct on that? Dave PS, If it's a magneto how does the timing work? (Not the trip of the points, but the timing for firing the magneto?) PPS, If I am correct that it is a generator, then it's about the same set up as my 15 HP "push button" Domestic. The Domestic generator only produces about 3v at the slow speed at which I run it. That's not enough to fire the buzz coil on it! At 09:42 AM 11/22/2004, you wrote: Luke Here is a little larger ~7hp galloway that has a galloway rotary mag. Not sure who made it for them. Wizzard? This one has the coil inside of the magnets. I have 2 wizzards on the shelf with plans to use them on a challenge or two with separate coils. From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Nov 22 09:03:56 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:03:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: <20041122144254.76980.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, That is exactly what I'm looking for. It looks like a complex setup with all those wires. What is the deal with having a coil inside the magnets? Is it to start the engine on a battery and coil then switch it over to the mag once it is running? I thought you were supposed to keep a coil away from a magneto because of the magnetic field?? Maybe someone could explain? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: Steve Barr >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present >Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 06:42:54 -0800 (PST) > >Luke > >Here is a little larger ~7hp galloway that has a galloway rotary mag..Not >sure who made it for them. Wizzard? This one has the coil inside of the >magnets. I have 2 wizzards on the shelf with plans to use them on a >challenge or two with separate coils. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004Baraboo/Engines/2/05.JPG > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004Baraboo/Engines/2/06.JPG > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004Baraboo/Engines/2/08.JPG > >You might need to check for link wrapping. > >Steve From jhcullom at adelphia.net Mon Nov 22 09:09:04 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:09:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present References: <20041122144254.76980.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041122100441.12f53bc8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001e01c4d0b5$f8acf900$6401a8c0@office> Hi Dave, I'm glad you posted this, as I not sure I understand the difference between a mag & a generator. Does the generator provide the same umph (technical term), as a mag so the ignitor will spark? Or is a mag also a generator but not in the same terms as the generator you're referring to? Thanks, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" > What you have pictured looks more like a generator than a magneto > to me. Looks like the engine starts on a battery and then is changed over > to the (whatever it is) for running. Am I correct on that? From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Nov 22 09:34:00 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:34:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Generator / Magneto In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041122100441.12f53bc8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Guys, I should have changed the subject, but I kept forgetting, sorry. John Cullom sent me a scan out of a catalog and it shows an item similar to the one Steve pictured and it is called a magneto. It shows the coil inside the magnets. It also says on engines of larger horsepower (with larger flywheels) enough speed cannot be obtained to properly fire the engine when starting. So it is started on battery and coil first then switched over to the magneto. This is the purpose of having the coil inside the magnets. Still thought a coil should be kept away from a mag, but maybe I was mistaken?? The scan John sent talks about three mags. Two of them are the type I'm talking about and what Steve showed (for a make and break system). One with the coil in it and one without. The third one mentioned is for a jump spark system, which sounds like the system Dave has on his Domestic. Could someone maybe explain the difference between the friction drive magnetos for the make and break and jump spark systems? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================== >From: Dave Rotigel >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present >Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:14:52 -0500 > >Hi Steve, > What you have pictured looks more like a generator than a magneto >to me. Looks like the engine starts on a battery and then is changed over >to the (whatever it is) for running. Am I correct on that? > Dave >PS, If it's a magneto how does the timing work? (Not the trip of the >points, but the timing for firing the magneto?) >PPS, If I am correct that it is a generator, then it's about the same set >up as my 15 HP "push button" Domestic. The Domestic generator only produces >about 3v at the slow speed at which I run it. That's not enough to fire the >buzz coil on it! From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Nov 22 09:52:40 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:52:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old Engine Scam on Ebay Message-ID: <41A22768.8030404@scrtc.com> Just to tip to anyone bidding on iron on ebay. I bid on an engine about a month ago and ended up as the third bidder on it although it didn't reach the reserve. I got an email today that was a "Second Chance Offer" where the seller said they would let me have the item for my bid. I thought it was strange as there was a bid ahead of me after the high bid. I contacted the seller, not through the method provided in the "ebay email" but through another method as I know him. He said he had never done a second chance offer on the engine. The email looked authentic (as all the scam emails are beginning to look). I assume they were trying to get me to pay for it with Paypal and clean out my account. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 22 10:33:00 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:33:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Joe Maurer update References: <112220041517.21649.6638@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <003e01c4d0c1$ba719d10$210110ac@PaulMaples> Hey Curt I just talked to Joe and he was in good spirits. Said that they put in a new sleeve and re-ground the valves and he is back up and running. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL list" Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 9:17 AM Subject: [SEL] OT Joe Maurer update > Just got off the phone with Joe Maurer and he is out of Intensive care > unit in > his own room. Very sore but feeling better and able to remember who hes > talking too. Believe he wouldn't mind hearing from all of us since he > realizes that if he had not been flown to Trauma Center he would not be > here. > The prayers worked! > > Thankyou to all who cares. > Curt > > Joe's address: > Dean "JOE" Maurer > %OSF Saint Anthonys Medical Center > 5666 East State Street, Room #420 > Rockford, Illinois 61108 > > Phone: 1-800-343-3185 room #420 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Mon Nov 22 10:32:48 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:32:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net> <41A126DA.6000800@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <05b301c4d0c1$ad4592e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> This is probably unrelated but so close to Ken's spot that it is worth sharing. Wayne Walker who is 2 spots down from Ken's on the same side has his wife and kids with him. His wife has a display of JD/Chalmers/Int bras and underwear, thongs etc. I sit directly accross from them and just enjoy a week of watching men and women looking and "browsing" and buying those things. Last yr. in 2003 someone complained about the "items" and were offended and a higher up said something to Wayne , so wayne moved the display back under his canopy more............Well this yr. the same person who appears to be on the board came over and took pictures of the display and went with them to the directors meeting and complained some more.At the end of the show Wayne was not offered his space again and was told why. The guy who complained has power there. I talked with Wayne and they are very bothered by this as he has been coming there with nice engines and lots of original carts for many many yrs. He is there from Mon-Sun. and doesnt want to lose his spots,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Back to Ken, I know Ken was bothered by this as we all were in that area so this might be the issue at the meeting, it could be something else but the coincidence of the 2 spots is too close. This is 1st hand knowledge and if this isnt the right type of info you were looking for ,,,,sorry,,, and we now have something else to talk about at Portland, Take Care, Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Nov 22 11:32:24 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:32:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: <001e01c4d0b5$f8acf900$6401a8c0@office> References: <20041122144254.76980.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041122100441.12f53bc8@mail.alltel.net> <001e01c4d0b5$f8acf900$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041122142401.12fa4930@mail.alltel.net> Hi John, The generator (and I am pretty sure that that is what it is) simply supplies a constant source of 6v--just as the old 6v battery (actually 3 2v wet cells) would. The problem was that spinning the flywheels would not turn them fast enough to "generate" the 6v necessary to produce a spark--thus a battery was needed for starting the engine. On the photos that Steve sent to Luke there would be no way to "time" the "thing" if it was, indeed, a magneto. Once the engine was running "up to speed" 6v would be generated and the battery could be turned off (notice the 2 way switch in the photos) and it's energy saved for starting the engine when needed. Dave PS, keep in mind that charging a battery in the 20's likely meant hitching up the horses and going into town--then repeating the procedure the next day to pick up the charged battery! At 12:09 PM 11/22/2004, you wrote: >Hi Dave, > I'm glad you posted this, as I not sure I understand the difference > between a mag & a generator. Does the generator provide the same umph > (technical term), as a mag so the ignitor will spark? Or is a mag also a > generator but not in the same terms as the generator you're referring to? >Thanks, >John > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" >> What you have pictured looks more like a generator than a >> magneto to me. Looks like the engine starts on a battery and then is >> changed over to the (whatever it is) for running. Am I correct on that? > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Nov 22 11:41:34 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:41:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Generator / Magneto References: Message-ID: <001301c4d0cb$4644a9a0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Luke, Take a look at Harry Matthews ignition & mag site, you will find all the answers you want. http://www.old-engine.com/magign.htm Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Hi Guys, > > I should have changed the subject, but I kept forgetting, sorry. John > Cullom sent me a scan out of a catalog and it shows an item similar to the > one Steve pictured and it is called a magneto. It shows the coil inside the > magnets. It also says on engines of larger horsepower (with larger > flywheels) enough speed cannot be obtained to properly fire the engine when > starting. So it is started on battery and coil first then switched over to > the magneto. This is the purpose of having the coil inside the magnets. > Still thought a coil should be kept away from a mag, but maybe I was > mistaken?? The scan John sent talks about three mags. Two of them are the > type I'm talking about and what Steve showed (for a make and break system). > One with the coil in it and one without. The third one mentioned is for a > jump spark system, which sounds like the system Dave has on his Domestic. > Could someone maybe explain the difference between the friction drive > magnetos for the make and break and jump spark systems? > > Luke Tonneberger /mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Nov 22 12:01:27 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:01:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? In-Reply-To: <05b301c4d0c1$ad4592e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net> <41A126DA.6000800@scrtc.com> <05b301c4d0c1$ad4592e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <41A24597.9090006@scrtc.com> Portland...... Bras....... Thongs!....... Now I know why you didn't leave your space much since you're set up near him. Was there a "fitting room" nearby (say in the covered trailer located at your space?). I never thought the Portland show could be derailed by a Bra and a Thong..... although come to think of it, there could be worse things....... next year I may not go to look at the old iron after all! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Alec Stevens wrote: >This is probably unrelated but so close to Ken's spot that it is worth sharing. >Wayne Walker who is 2 spots down from Ken's on the same side has his wife and kids with him. His wife has a display of JD/Chalmers/Int bras and underwear, thongs etc. I sit directly accross from them and just enjoy a week of watching men and women looking and "browsing" and buying those things. >Last yr. in 2003 someone complained about the "items" and were offended and a higher up said something to Wayne , so wayne moved the display back under his canopy more............Well this yr. the same person who appears to be on the board came over and took pictures of the display and went with them to the directors meeting and complained some more.At the end of the show Wayne was not offered his space again and was told why. The guy who complained has power there. > I talked with Wayne and they are very bothered by this as he has been coming there with nice engines and lots of original carts for many many yrs. He is there from Mon-Sun. and doesnt want to lose his spots,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, > Back to Ken, I know Ken was bothered by this as we all were in that area so this might be the issue at the meeting, it could be something else but the coincidence of the 2 spots is too close. This is 1st hand knowledge and if this isnt the right type of info you were looking for ,,,,sorry,,, and we now have something else to talk about at Portland, >Take Care, > > Alec J. Stevens >Investment Specialist >80 Leighton Road, Suite C >Falmouth, ME 04105 >(800)842-6669 >(207)797-5169 >(207)797-2819 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Nov 22 12:03:41 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:03:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? In-Reply-To: <05b301c4d0c1$ad4592e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net> <41A126DA.6000800@scrtc.com> <05b301c4d0c1$ad4592e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <41A2461D.5050604@scrtc.com> PS Alec, I can go for a IHC Bra. But, an Allis Chalmers thong! .... Sounds repulsive! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Alec Stevens wrote: >This is probably unrelated but so close to Ken's spot that it is worth sharing. >Wayne Walker who is 2 spots down from Ken's on the same side has his wife and kids with him. His wife has a display of JD/Chalmers/Int bras and underwear, thongs etc. I sit directly accross from them and just enjoy a week of watching men and women looking and "browsing" and buying those things. >Last yr. in 2003 someone complained about the "items" and were offended and a higher up said something to Wayne , so wayne moved the display back under his canopy more............Well this yr. the same person who appears to be on the board came over and took pictures of the display and went with them to the directors meeting and complained some more.At the end of the show Wayne was not offered his space again and was told why. The guy who complained has power there. > I talked with Wayne and they are very bothered by this as he has been coming there with nice engines and lots of original carts for many many yrs. He is there from Mon-Sun. and doesnt want to lose his spots,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, > Back to Ken, I know Ken was bothered by this as we all were in that area so this might be the issue at the meeting, it could be something else but the coincidence of the 2 spots is too close. This is 1st hand knowledge and if this isnt the right type of info you were looking for ,,,,sorry,,, and we now have something else to talk about at Portland, >Take Care, > > Alec J. Stevens >Investment Specialist >80 Leighton Road, Suite C >Falmouth, ME 04105 >(800)842-6669 >(207)797-5169 >(207)797-2819 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Nov 22 12:05:38 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:05:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041122142401.12fa4930@mail.alltel.net> References: <20041122144254.76980.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041122100441.12f53bc8@mail.alltel.net> <001e01c4d0b5$f8acf900$6401a8c0@office> <6.1.2.0.0.20041122142401.12fa4930@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <41A24692.1090002@scrtc.com> Dave, That's why so many people used the wind chargers on their barns. A pretty neat set up. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > > Dave > PS, keep in mind that charging a battery in the 20's likely meant > hitching up the horses and going into town--then repeating the > procedure the next day to pick up the charged battery! > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Mon Nov 22 12:20:20 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:20:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? In-Reply-To: <05b301c4d0c1$ad4592e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net> <41A126DA.6000800@scrtc.com> <05b301c4d0c1$ad4592e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:32:48 -0500, you wrote: >This is probably unrelated but so close to Ken's spot that it is worth sharing. >Wayne Walker who is 2 spots down from Ken's on the same side has his wife and kids with him. His wife has a display of JD/Chalmers/Int bras and underwear, thongs etc. I sit directly accross from them and just enjoy a week of watching men and women looking and "browsing" and buying those things. > Alec J. Stevens Sounds like a storm in a 'C' cup to me..... :-)) Peter From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Mon Nov 22 12:26:54 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:26:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net> <41A126DA.6000800@scrtc.com><05b301c4d0c1$ad4592e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> <41A24597.9090006@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <05c401c4d0d1$9d6300f0$0301a8c0@ALEC> TT, Thats why you kept hanging out in my chairs so much at the show and asking for "cold" water and all I guess that isnt the issue Dave was asking about>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? > Portland...... Bras....... Thongs!....... Now I know why you didn't > leave your space much since you're set up near him. Was there a > "fitting room" nearby (say in the covered trailer located at your > space?). I never thought the Portland show could be derailed by a Bra > and a Thong..... although come to think of it, there could be worse > things....... next year I may not go to look at the old iron after all! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Alec Stevens wrote: > > >This is probably unrelated but so close to Ken's spot that it is worth sharing. > >Wayne Walker who is 2 spots down from Ken's on the same side has his wife and kids with him. His wife has a display of JD/Chalmers/Int bras and underwear, thongs etc. I sit directly accross from them and just enjoy a week of watching men and women looking and "browsing" and buying those things. > >Last yr. in 2003 someone complained about the "items" and were offended and a higher up said something to Wayne , so wayne moved the display back under his canopy more............Well this yr. the same person who appears to be on the board came over and took pictures of the display and went with them to the directors meeting and complained some more.At the end of the show Wayne was not offered his space again and was told why. The guy who complained has power there. > > I talked with Wayne and they are very bothered by this as he has been coming there with nice engines and lots of original carts for many many yrs. He is there from Mon-Sun. and doesnt want to lose his spots,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, > > Back to Ken, I know Ken was bothered by this as we all were in that area so this might be the issue at the meeting, it could be something else but the coincidence of the 2 spots is too close. This is 1st hand knowledge and if this isnt the right type of info you were looking for ,,,,sorry,,, and we now have something else to talk about at Portland, > >Take Care, > > > > Alec J. Stevens > >Investment Specialist > >80 Leighton Road, Suite C > >Falmouth, ME 04105 > >(800)842-6669 > >(207)797-5169 > >(207)797-2819 > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 22 12:32:20 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:32:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? In-Reply-To: <41A2461D.5050604@scrtc.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net> <41A126DA.6000800@scrtc.com> <05b301c4d0c1$ad4592e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> <41A2461D.5050604@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Gee Tommy, I dunno if the world's ready to see you in an IHC bra.... OR an Allis Chalmers thong! 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > PS Alec, I can go for a IHC Bra. But, an Allis Chalmers thong! .... > Sounds repulsive! From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 22 12:33:56 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:33:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? In-Reply-To: <41A24597.9090006@scrtc.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net> <41A126DA.6000800@scrtc.com> <05b301c4d0c1$ad4592e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> <41A24597.9090006@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Hiya Tommy, The best display I saw like that was one of Harley Davidson thongs with a sign offering "Free Installation." 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Portland...... Bras....... Thongs!....... Now I know why you didn't > leave your space much since you're set up near him. Was there a > "fitting room" nearby (say in the covered trailer located at your > space?). I never thought the Portland show could be derailed by a Bra > and a Thong..... although come to think of it, there could be worse > things....... next year I may not go to look at the old iron after all! From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Nov 22 13:24:16 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:24:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net> <41A126DA.6000800@scrtc.com> <05b301c4d0c1$ad4592e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> <41A2461D.5050604@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <41A25900.4070205@scrtc.com> If that were to happen I know that there wouldn't be many folks looking at the old iron. I think I could find a few folks a bit more appropriate to "display" them. I hope that issues like this don't cause too much turmoil at Portland. I agree with the point that I would prefer to see just iron related artifacts in the flea market area. However, we all know that there will be the occasional item(s) outside the old iron that are placed for sale by some of the iron hobbiest or their spouses. My wife is younger than me and was at one time a college cheerleader. While I have turned into a slob, she's still as fit and trim as ever. The items like those Wayne's wife had would be good in that they would interest her (and me if they're on her..). Seriously, we bring our spouses to the shows and for many, there is nothing to garner their interest while we're looking at an old mag, carb, or other junk. At least something like this keeps their attention. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Arnie Fero wrote: > Gee Tommy, > > I dunno if the world's ready to see you in an IHC bra.... OR an Allis > Chalmers thong! 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Mon Nov 22 13:44:41 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:44:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Anyone in Burnsville, MN ?? Message-ID: We picked up a nice NC controlled engraver a few weeks ago, and it got back here last week. One of the items that was advised by the vendor was that one of the two tape storage drives was not working. When we collected the machine, we were told that apparently it was thrown across the workshop in a fit of frustration by the operator.... Anyway, after a lot of searching and hunting, we think the makers are a company called:- Braemar, Inc. 11481 Rupp Drive Burnsville, MN 55337 USA Toll Free: 800.328.2719 Phone: 952.890.5135 Fax: 952.882.6550 We emailed them today with a request for help on the drive, but if we don't get any response, is there anyone near that could call in for us? Local people tend to get better responses than overseas enquiries in our experience. We have got images up on our website which we sent them the url of, so they should be aware of which machine it is. Peter From old_iron at msn.com Mon Nov 22 14:39:19 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:39:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? Message-ID: Gee Judge Tommy, I just guess you have never gone through the "arts and crafts" sellers area, that is where the real stuff is for the ladies that don't want to look at all the "rusty" men and "rusty" stuff. I go every year to a gentlemen that sells "cut" coin jewelry, and based on how guilty Bill feels (how much he has spent in the back 40) that is what I get to pick out from his booth. Just my 2 cents, Peg Pfeiffer PS: We went to Portland for 14 years in a row and didn't go this year because of the "politics" of some of the club members. When Reggie goes back, we will too, since then there is a good reason to return. >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? >Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:24:16 -0500 > > >If that were to happen I know that there wouldn't be many folks looking at >the old iron. I think I could find a few folks a bit more appropriate to >"display" them. I hope that issues like this don't cause too much turmoil >at Portland. I agree with the point that I would prefer to see just iron >related artifacts in the flea market area. However, we all know that there >will be the occasional item(s) outside the old iron that are placed for >sale by some of the iron hobbiest or their spouses. My wife is younger >than me and was at one time a college cheerleader. While I have turned >into a slob, she's still as fit and trim as ever. The items like those >Wayne's wife had would be good in that they would interest her (and me if >they're on her..). Seriously, we bring our spouses to the shows and for >many, there is nothing to garner their interest while we're looking at an >old mag, carb, or other junk. At least something like this keeps their >attention. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >Arnie Fero wrote: > >>Gee Tommy, >> >>I dunno if the world's ready to see you in an IHC bra.... OR an Allis >>Chalmers thong! 8-)) >> >>See ya, Arnie >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Nov 22 15:37:53 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:37:53 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: <41A24692.1090002@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <200411222337.iAMNbw29064258@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> >That's why so many people used the wind >chargers on their barns. A pretty neat set up. A couple weeks ago I was running an engine on a battery and a chap came by and asked how the batteries were recharged in the old days. I had to tell him I didn't know. A few days after that I was browsing through one of Hiscox's books and he went into great detail explaining how to mix up the chemicals for a battery. The impression I got was that one would run the battery until it was out of oomph, then empty it, clean it, and pour in another batch of chemicals. Was this one method, or did I misinterpret Hiscox' prose? Rob From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 22 14:56:11 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:56:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net><41A126DA.6000800@scrtc.com> <05b301c4d0c1$ad4592e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <004301c4d0e6$76fd8c40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> I talked with Wayne and they are very bothered by this as he has been coming there with nice engines and lots of original carts for many many yrs. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ///////////////////////////////////////// The KC Haypress officianado ? He does have every set of trucks there was . I've bought some of those from him , too ! JD , silver metallic, lycra thong, size 2 . Big hit too . I only half heartedly complained about there not being any Bessemer or tripolar thongs . Chuck Texas From BillMil357 at aol.com Mon Nov 22 15:49:10 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:49:10 EST Subject: [SEL] Battery source Message-ID: <1c4.20ab2b6c.2ed3d4f6@aol.com> Hey Guys; I went down to Harbor Freight today and purchased one of the 43972 spotlight's, it is a 6 v olt bat. but the charger is a 12 volt DC, 400 Milli. Amp. output. Why is the charger 12V and the battery 6V? That is one bright light. Thanks, Bill Miller Memphis, TN. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Nov 22 16:10:30 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:10:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41A27FF6.1020503@scrtc.com> Peg, I've been through the arts and crafts area many times over the last 31 years. The first year I went to Portland, in 1973, there were 2 engine / tractor vendors and about 8 - 10 craft vendors so I've seen the transformation into a large scale business. My wife went with me one year to Portland. I walked her through the engine tractor flea market (took all day) and burned her out. She hasn't come back with me since (but doesn't complain about me going). While I am one that isn't interested in seeing a vendor selling only glassware in the engine area, I understand if an engine dealer has a table with 10 or 15 pieces on it. My wife would be attracted to the glassware while I looked at the iron. I would suspect the complaints about Wayne's items centers around what the items were rather than there being a "mix" of items (iron vs. non iron). Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > Gee Judge Tommy, I just guess you have never gone through the "arts > and crafts" sellers area, that is where the real stuff is for the > ladies that don't want to look at all the "rusty" men and "rusty" stuff. > > I go every year to a gentlemen that sells "cut" coin jewelry, and > based on how guilty Bill feels (how much he has spent in the back 40) > that is what I get to pick out from his booth. > > Just my 2 cents, > > Peg Pfeiffer > > PS: We went to Portland for 14 years in a row and didn't go this year > because of the "politics" of some of the club members. When Reggie > goes back, we will too, since then there is a good reason to return. > >> From: Judge Tommy Turner >> Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >> >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? >> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:24:16 -0500 >> >> >> If that were to happen I know that there wouldn't be many folks >> looking at the old iron. I think I could find a few folks a bit more >> appropriate to "display" them. I hope that issues like this don't >> cause too much turmoil at Portland. I agree with the point that I >> would prefer to see just iron related artifacts in the flea market >> area. However, we all know that there will be the occasional item(s) >> outside the old iron that are placed for sale by some of the iron >> hobbiest or their spouses. My wife is younger than me and was at one >> time a college cheerleader. While I have turned into a slob, she's >> still as fit and trim as ever. The items like those Wayne's wife had >> would be good in that they would interest her (and me if they're on >> her..). Seriously, we bring our spouses to the shows and for many, >> there is nothing to garner their interest while we're looking at an >> old mag, carb, or other junk. At least something like this keeps >> their attention. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> Arnie Fero wrote: >> >>> Gee Tommy, >>> >>> I dunno if the world's ready to see you in an IHC bra.... OR an Allis >>> Chalmers thong! 8-)) >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Mon Nov 22 16:29:03 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:29:03 EST Subject: [SEL] Battery source Message-ID: <1a4.2bbd977f.2ed3de4f@aol.com> Hi Bill, Is it set up so you can charge it from your cigarette lighter in your vehicle? If so, it will have circuitry to reduce the voltage and/or shut it off when the 6 volt battery is charged. I suspect it charges at around 8 volts. Ron In a message dated 11/22/2004 5:54:39 PM Central Standard Time, BillMil357 at aol.com writes: Why is the charger 12V and the battery 6V? That is one bright light. Thanks, Bill Miller Memphis, TN. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Nov 22 18:08:33 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:08:33 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Thongs!!! OT Message-ID: <002101c4d101$5dc6d220$98a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Bloody Hell ...........do you Yanks have to take all our good ideas. You pinched our Ugg boots. Thong is a registered Trade Mark here in OZ , also called Japanese Safety Boots . BTW there is a beach in Indonesia where all the Thongs that are washed up are left footed, got ant ideas why ? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Mon Nov 22 18:33:35 2004 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:33:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rice & Sargent steam engine progress References: <149.39020a7e.2ed29246@aol.com> Message-ID: <001501c4d104$d55a5d40$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> Thanks, Peter and Rick for the positive replies, and Rick for your offer of transport. The good news is we found a "friendly" freight carrier and can get it here for a lot less than I thought, so we are going forward! I will try to update the website with some pic's of the new valve and the boiler work, WE ARE GETTING CLOSE! Best Regards; Jim Mackessy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Rice & Sargent steam engine progress > Hey Jim I was wondering how things were going with that "little" engine you > have up there! :-)) From the pictures she sure is a beauty! > > If someone can get that valve as far as Ohio I'll volunteer to take it on its > last leg of the journey to deliver to your doorstep! > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > www.todengine.org > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BillMil357 at aol.com Mon Nov 22 18:31:02 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:31:02 EST Subject: [SEL] Battery source Message-ID: <1dc.30a81994.2ed3fae6@aol.com> Hey Ron; Yes, just sent that in my last post, I hadn't read your post when I sent it. See ya, Bill Miller. From old_iron at msn.com Mon Nov 22 19:26:18 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:26:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS/Judge Tommy In-Reply-To: <41A27FF6.1020503@scrtc.com> Message-ID: I was just pullin' your chain!! I just think that thinks like this get so blown out of all proportion that it is a very sad state of affairs when something like this happens. Have a great day!! I need to send you a copy of my little ditty about how to live with an engine man, I will do this off list. Peg >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? >Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:10:30 -0500 > >Peg, > > I've been through the arts and crafts area many times over the last 31 >years. The first year I went to Portland, in 1973, there were 2 engine / >tractor vendors and about 8 - 10 craft vendors so I've seen the >transformation into a large scale business. My wife went with me one year >to Portland. I walked her through the engine tractor flea market (took all >day) and burned her out. She hasn't come back with me since (but doesn't >complain about me going). While I am one that isn't interested in seeing a >vendor selling only glassware in the engine area, I understand if an engine >dealer has a table with 10 or 15 pieces on it. My wife would be attracted >to the glassware while I looked at the iron. I would suspect the >complaints about Wayne's items centers around what the items were rather >than there being a "mix" of items (iron vs. non iron). > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > >>Gee Judge Tommy, I just guess you have never gone through the "arts and >>crafts" sellers area, that is where the real stuff is for the ladies that >>don't want to look at all the "rusty" men and "rusty" stuff. >> >>I go every year to a gentlemen that sells "cut" coin jewelry, and based on >>how guilty Bill feels (how much he has spent in the back 40) that is what >>I get to pick out from his booth. >> >>Just my 2 cents, >> >>Peg Pfeiffer >> >>PS: We went to Portland for 14 years in a row and didn't go this year >>because of the "politics" of some of the club members. When Reggie goes >>back, we will too, since then there is a good reason to return. >> >>>From: Judge Tommy Turner >>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>>To: The SEL email discussion list >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? >>>Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:24:16 -0500 >>> >>> >>>If that were to happen I know that there wouldn't be many folks looking >>>at the old iron. I think I could find a few folks a bit more appropriate >>>to "display" them. I hope that issues like this don't cause too much >>>turmoil at Portland. I agree with the point that I would prefer to see >>>just iron related artifacts in the flea market area. However, we all know >>>that there will be the occasional item(s) outside the old iron that are >>>placed for sale by some of the iron hobbiest or their spouses. My wife >>>is younger than me and was at one time a college cheerleader. While I >>>have turned into a slob, she's still as fit and trim as ever. The items >>>like those Wayne's wife had would be good in that they would interest her >>>(and me if they're on her..). Seriously, we bring our spouses to the >>>shows and for many, there is nothing to garner their interest while we're >>>looking at an old mag, carb, or other junk. At least something like this >>>keeps their attention. >>> >>>Tommy Turner >>>Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> >>>Arnie Fero wrote: >>> >>>>Gee Tommy, >>>> >>>>I dunno if the world's ready to see you in an IHC bra.... OR an Allis >>>>Chalmers thong! 8-)) >>>> >>>>See ya, Arnie >>>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cjclem at sysim.net Mon Nov 22 19:52:12 2004 From: cjclem at sysim.net (John) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:52:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) Message-ID: <1101181932.41a2b3ecef458@webmail.sysim.net> A hunter went beserk & killed 6, injured 2 more over deer hunting fracas. # 6 died this eve. http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/21/wisconsin.shootings/ From jhcullom at adelphia.net Mon Nov 22 15:37:23 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:37:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] generator/mag References: <20041122144254.76980.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com><6.1.2.0.0.20041122100441.12f53bc8@mail.alltel.net><001e01c4d0b5$f8acf900$6401a8c0@office> <6.1.2.0.0.20041122142401.12fa4930@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <00c201c4d0ec$37e39ee0$6401a8c0@office> Oh ok, duh, now that you put it that way, I understand. Just like having a battery without the coil. Thanks professor, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" > The generator (and I am pretty sure that that is what it is) > simply supplies a constant source of 6v--just as the old 6v battery > (actually 3 2v wet cells) would. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Nov 22 13:44:14 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:44:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net><41A126DA.6000800@scrtc.com> <05b301c4d0c1$ad4592e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <00f601c4d130$cf94fe20$370d1bd3@athlon> Forbes, ya need shooting for that one!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" > Sounds like a storm in a 'C' cup to me..... :-)) > > Peter From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Nov 23 00:25:37 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:25:37 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? References: <41A27FF6.1020503@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <004e01c4d136$05fe2f40$45111bd3@athlon> As a foreign visitor to the Portland event, I am awed by the magnitude of the problems in organising it. While I can see the sanity in having traders separated from the exhibitors, When my mate Tom Ball set up a table with his Eclipse model and castings in the ATIS area and was prepared to sell a few sets of castings, I really could see no problem. He was showing with his group of friends. Technically, he was in the wrong. So just where CAN you draw the line? I feel that there should be a very flexible dividing line so all can be accommodated without a lot of 'set in concrete' rules. The solidifying of 'rules' always drives people away and causes friction. Trust me, I KNOW!!! To me, Portland IS the greatest. Dont let the 'small minded' spoil it. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Nov 23 05:04:46 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:04:46 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Joe Maurer update Message-ID: <112320041304.13491.6dd9@mchsi.com> Hi Paul, Iam sure your call was very much appreciated. I had to be near Rockford yesterday so payed him a visit and he looked pretty damn good too. He is very greatfull to be alive. Don't know if you ve every seen that look that people have that have been saved before but he sure had that aura almost looked too good afer that type of surgery... I am very gratful that my prayer helped save him. thanks for caring about my friend. Curt > Hey Curt I just talked to Joe and he was in good spirits. Said that they put > in a new sleeve and re-ground the valves and he is back up and running. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "SEL list" > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 9:17 AM > Subject: [SEL] OT Joe Maurer update > > > > Just got off the phone with Joe Maurer and he is out of Intensive care > > unit in > > his own room. Very sore but feeling better and able to remember who hes > > talking too. Believe he wouldn't mind hearing from all of us since he > > realizes that if he had not been flown to Trauma Center he would not be > > here. > > The prayers worked! > > > > Thankyou to all who cares. > > Curt > > > > Joe's address: > > Dean "JOE" Maurer > > %OSF Saint Anthonys Medical Center > > 5666 East State Street, Room #420 > > Rockford, Illinois 61108 > > > > Phone: 1-800-343-3185 room #420 > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marvhed at ecenet.com Tue Nov 23 05:08:55 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 07:08:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Anyone in Burnsville, MN ?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35054.199.62.0.252.1101215335.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> peter, i can can call for you. marv in minn > We picked up a nice NC controlled engraver a few weeks ago, and it got > back here > last week. > > One of the items that was advised by the vendor was that one of the two > tape > storage drives was not working. When we collected the machine, we were > told that > apparently it was thrown across the workshop in a fit of frustration by > the > operator.... > > Anyway, after a lot of searching and hunting, we think the makers are a > company > called:- > > Braemar, Inc. > 11481 Rupp Drive > Burnsville, MN 55337 USA > > Toll Free: 800.328.2719 > Phone: 952.890.5135 > Fax: 952.882.6550 > > We emailed them today with a request for help on the drive, but if we > don't get > any response, is there anyone near that could call in for us? Local > people tend > to get better responses than overseas enquiries in our experience. > > We have got images up on our website which we sent them the url of, so > they > should be aware of which machine it is. > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 23 05:32:19 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:32:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) In-Reply-To: <004e01c4d136$05fe2f40$45111bd3@athlon> References: <41A27FF6.1020503@scrtc.com> <004e01c4d136$05fe2f40$45111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: G'day Reg, The "selling thing" at Portland is one thing I think they do have right. Since they charge ALL of the vendors for their "selling spots" (which helps the overall finances for running the show), they do have to draw a line somewhere on folks selling who have NOT paid for a "selling spot." The line that they've drawn is NO SELLING; nothing, nada, zip, zilch. That is a clear, unambiguous rule. Even a FATG can understand that one. If I bring a few items to Portland that I want to sell, I have two legit options. The first is to put them into the Trading Post. There the club takes 10% off the top on everything that sells. I've got no problem with that either. The other option is to ask one of many SEL friends who ARE sellers if they would mind me putting my "For Sale" item in their area. Courtesy dictates that you offer to buy 'em a sandwich or offer a beer as a "thank you." If it's a big dollar item, I think it's also nice to offer a financial "thank you." But that's just me. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > While I can see the sanity in having traders separated from the exhibitors, > When my mate Tom Ball set up a table with his Eclipse model and castings in > the ATIS area and was prepared to sell a few sets of castings, I really > could see no problem. He was showing with his group of friends. Technically, > he was in the wrong. > So just where CAN you draw the line? I feel that there should be a very > flexible dividing line so all can be accommodated without a lot of 'set in > concrete' rules. > The solidifying of 'rules' always drives people away and causes friction. From BetCleve321 at aol.com Tue Nov 23 06:04:32 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:04:32 EST Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) Message-ID: <1c9.2101f49e.2ed49d70@aol.com> In a message dated 11/22/2004 10:59:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, cjclem at sysim.net writes: A hunter went beserk & killed 6, injured 2 more over deer hunting fracas. # 6 died this eve. http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/21/wisconsin.shootings/ The reason why he did that is that he had an assult rifle. Said so on the news. Skip From marvhed at ecenet.com Tue Nov 23 06:34:46 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:34:46 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) In-Reply-To: <1c9.2101f49e.2ed49d70@aol.com> References: <1c9.2101f49e.2ed49d70@aol.com> Message-ID: <43963.199.62.0.252.1101220486.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> also read this article about the Hmong concerns. http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5099915.html marv in minn > > In a message dated 11/22/2004 10:59:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, > cjclem at sysim.net writes: > > A hunter went beserk & killed 6, injured 2 more over deer hunting > fracas. # 6 died this eve. > http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/21/wisconsin.shootings/ > > > > The reason why he did that is that he had an assult rifle. > Said so on the news. > > Skip > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Nov 23 06:50:45 2004 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:50:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) References: <41A27FF6.1020503@scrtc.com> <004e01c4d136$05fe2f40$45111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <002501c4d16b$d05a4820$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> Don't ya just hate it when Arnie makes sense? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) > G'day Reg, > > The "selling thing" at Portland is one thing I think they do have right. > Since they charge ALL of the vendors for their "selling spots" (which > helps the overall finances for running the show), they do have to draw a > line somewhere on folks selling who have NOT paid for a "selling spot." > > The line that they've drawn is NO SELLING; nothing, nada, zip, zilch. > That is a clear, unambiguous rule. Even a FATG can understand that one. > > If I bring a few items to Portland that I want to sell, I have two legit > options. The first is to put them into the Trading Post. There the club > takes 10% off the top on everything that sells. I've got no problem with > that either. The other option is to ask one of many SEL friends who ARE > sellers if they would mind me putting my "For Sale" item in their area. > Courtesy dictates that you offer to buy 'em a sandwich or offer a beer as > a "thank you." If it's a big dollar item, I think it's also nice to offer > a financial "thank you." But that's just me. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > > > While I can see the sanity in having traders separated from the exhibitors, > > When my mate Tom Ball set up a table with his Eclipse model and castings in > > the ATIS area and was prepared to sell a few sets of castings, I really > > could see no problem. He was showing with his group of friends. Technically, > > he was in the wrong. > > So just where CAN you draw the line? I feel that there should be a very > > flexible dividing line so all can be accommodated without a lot of 'set in > > concrete' rules. > > The solidifying of 'rules' always drives people away and causes friction. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Tue Nov 23 07:28:20 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (diesel at easynet.co.uk) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:28:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) In-Reply-To: References: <41A27FF6.1020503@scrtc.com> <004e01c4d136$05fe2f40$45111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <1101223700.41a35714dc2a3@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> Quoting Arnie Fero : > G'day Reg, > > The "selling thing" at Portland is one thing I think they do have right. > Since they charge ALL of the vendors for their "selling spots" (which > helps the overall finances for running the show), they do have to draw a > line somewhere on folks selling who have NOT paid for a "selling spot." > > The line that they've drawn is NO SELLING; nothing, nada, zip, zilch. > That is a clear, unambiguous rule. Even a FATG can understand that one. > > If I bring a few items to Portland that I want to sell, I have two legit > options. The first is to put them into the Trading Post. There the club > takes 10% off the top on everything that sells. I've got no problem with > that either. The other option is to ask one of many SEL friends who ARE > sellers if they would mind me putting my "For Sale" item in their area. > Courtesy dictates that you offer to buy 'em a sandwich or offer a beer as > a "thank you." If it's a big dollar item, I think it's also nice to offer > a financial "thank you." But that's just me. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero I'd agree with that, it is much better to have sales in one area and not make a mess like we see over here along the engine line-up of bits and pieces, especially non-engine related. Non-engine items 'with' engine logos I can live with, although I am probably past my sell-by date for thongs! :-)) Portland has a good show going, I hope they can keep it much the same. Peter -- Peter Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel --------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.easynetdial.co.uk From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Tue Nov 23 07:45:15 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:45:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) References: <41A27FF6.1020503@scrtc.com><004e01c4d136$05fe2f40$45111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <063601c4d173$6efc9df0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Hi all, In the past 5 yrs , I have seen the directors escort 5 people/individuals to the gate and ask them to not come back for violating the no selling before weds morning. This isnt harsh, just the rule, which I dont like but respect. There is alot of junk out in the selling areas, as long as there are engines and the like out in the selling area, it shouldnt matter what else is there as long as its not ,,,,,,,,,,,well I cant say because that opens another can of worms. Dave , Arnie, Tommy, Rex and others have had stuff for sale in my spots and that is the best way for staying out of trouble in the "show" areas. Anyone needing to sell something just ask. Wayne does have the best selection of good, common to rare engine trucks at the show and is a heck of a nice guy as is his family. It is a shame that he is not coming back unless he leaves his wifes clothes at home, I didnt mention but she also has a complete line of baby outfits/ hats scarves/etc. with the eng/tractor logo's which are very nice as well as being properly licensed with JD in order to use their logo. What is a real pleasure is to watch from across the isle the guys and gals who banter , blush and buy stuff. Tommy, I am not sure but if you run for Gov. of Kty. sometime soon your opponents may have a field day with the bra wearing thing from the SEL archives,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just a thought, I already printed a copy for my records ;-) Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) > G'day Reg, > > The "selling thing" at Portland is one thing I think they do have right. > Since they charge ALL of the vendors for their "selling spots" (which > helps the overall finances for running the show), they do have to draw a > line somewhere on folks selling who have NOT paid for a "selling spot." > > The line that they've drawn is NO SELLING; nothing, nada, zip, zilch. > That is a clear, unambiguous rule. Even a FATG can understand that one. > > If I bring a few items to Portland that I want to sell, I have two legit > options. The first is to put them into the Trading Post. There the club > takes 10% off the top on everything that sells. I've got no problem with > that either. The other option is to ask one of many SEL friends who ARE > sellers if they would mind me putting my "For Sale" item in their area. > Courtesy dictates that you offer to buy 'em a sandwich or offer a beer as > a "thank you." If it's a big dollar item, I think it's also nice to offer > a financial "thank you." But that's just me. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > > > While I can see the sanity in having traders separated from the exhibitors, > > When my mate Tom Ball set up a table with his Eclipse model and castings in > > the ATIS area and was prepared to sell a few sets of castings, I really > > could see no problem. He was showing with his group of friends. Technically, > > he was in the wrong. > > So just where CAN you draw the line? I feel that there should be a very > > flexible dividing line so all can be accommodated without a lot of 'set in > > concrete' rules. > > The solidifying of 'rules' always drives people away and causes friction. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From mtucker at uky.edu Tue Nov 23 08:12:49 2004 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:12:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) In-Reply-To: <063601c4d173$6efc9df0$0301a8c0@ALEC> References: <41A27FF6.1020503@scrtc.com><004 e01c4d136$05fe2f40$45111bd3@athlon> <063601c4d173$6efc9df0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: > Tommy, I am not sure but if you run for Gov. of Kty. sometime soon your >opponents may have a field day with the bra wearing thing from the SEL >archives,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just a thought, I already printed >a copy for my records ;-) Don't worry Tommy, unless Alex is a a Democrat he can't vote against you from his home far away in Maine. On the other hand, while I certainly want to erase the bra image from my mind, you would get my Kentucky vote! A potential constituent, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Nov 23 09:14:40 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:14:40 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Thongs!!! OT In-Reply-To: <002101c4d101$5dc6d220$98a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <200411231714.iANHEkLX090830@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Thong is a registered Trade Mark here in OZ , also > called Japanese Safety Boots . C'mon Peter, be honest with us here. You blokes might have INVENTED the thong, but we PERFECTED it!!! >BTW there is a beach in Indonesia where all > the Thongs that are washed up are left footed, I have a feeling I'm gonna be sorry for asking, but why is it that all the thongs that wash up on a beach in Indonisia are left footed? =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From jnyost at yahoo.com Tue Nov 23 09:20:07 2004 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:20:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Garden Tractor ID Message-ID: <20041123172007.89875.qmail@web40601.mail.yahoo.com> I have a friend that says he has a NORM TRUE DRAFT GARDEN TRACTOR. Does anyone have any info on these? Thanks, Jim ===== Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From curt at imc-group.com Tue Nov 23 09:27:30 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:27:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? In-Reply-To: <063601c4d173$6efc9df0$0301a8c0@ALEC> References: <41A27FF6.1020503@scrtc.com><004e01c4d136$05fe2f40$45111bd3@athlon> <063601c4d173$6efc9df0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <41A37302.8080805@imc-group.com> Alec, A few years ago you all may recall I utilized the SEL as a sounding board for a complaint I had concerning a policy of the Denton Farm Park show in North Carolina. The opinions of this group were unanimous and I made copies of many of the replies and included them with my letter to the directors of the Denton Farm Park show. The letter and your comments were instrumental in getting a policy changed. Concerning the issue of Wayne Walker and family, I think it is unanimous that everyone agrees the value that Wayne brings to the Portland experience. Truthfully I never even noticed the items being sold that are in dispute, so they must not have been too imposing. I believe it would be appropriate to make copies of the supportive comments about Wayne and send them (with a letter?) to the board of directors of the Portland show. I believe the consensus of the largest online organization of engine folk in the world would be of value to the directors as they debate their decision. It's a tough job they have knowing where to draw the line, and doing so in a timely fashion before matters get out of hand. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Alec Stevens wrote: >Hi all, > Wayne does have the best selection of good, common to rare engine trucks at >the show and is a heck of a nice guy as is his family. It is a shame that he >is not coming back unless he leaves his wifes clothes at home, I didnt >mention but she also has a complete line of baby outfits/ hats scarves/etc. >with the eng/tractor logo's which are very nice as well as being properly >licensed with JD in order to use their logo. >What is a real pleasure is to watch from across the isle the guys and gals >who banter , blush and buy stuff. > > > From swebre at hotmail.com Tue Nov 23 09:50:18 2004 From: swebre at hotmail.com (Steve Webre) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:50:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Joe Maurer Message-ID: Hey Folks, Just got off the phone w/ Joe. He's gonna be with us for a while and is pretty lucky. Sounds like they normally find what got him during the autophsy. He was in good spirits but was a bit concerned and had to get off the phone. Seems they were preping him for a shower. I'm sure there will be a story involved... Steve Webre Broussard, LA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 23 10:18:28 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:18:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Joe Maurer update References: <112320041304.13491.6dd9@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <001401c4d188$d6ff27a0$210110ac@PaulMaples> It was my pleasure Curt, Joe is a great guy and I am thrilled that he came through this in flying colors. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Joe Maurer update > Hi Paul, > Iam sure your call was very much appreciated. I had to be near Rockford > yesterday so payed him a visit and he looked pretty damn good too. He is > very greatfull to be alive. Don't know if you ve every seen that look > that > From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Tue Nov 23 12:31:42 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:31:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) References: <41A27FF6.1020503@scrtc.com><004e01c4d136$05fe2f40$45111bd3@athlon><063601c4d173$6efc9df0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <067001c4d19b$730f5fe0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Mike , Who says Republicans are conservative, your "swing" vote for Tommy would show the liberals how liberal we really are. Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 > Don't worry Tommy, unless Alex is a a Democrat he can't vote against > you from his home far away in Maine. On the other hand, while I > certainly want to erase the bra image from my mind, you would get my > Kentucky vote! > From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Nov 23 12:53:27 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:53:27 EST Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) Message-ID: <191.32e9d7ce.2ed4fd47@aol.com> In a message dated 11/23/2004 9:20:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, BetCleve321 at aol.com writes: << The reason why he did that is that he had an assult rifle. Said so on the news. >> Yes, and the news said it was loaded with 20 bullets. Who needs a semi automatic gun with 20 bullets to deer hunt? This is one of the greatest tragic reasons people want assault rifles banned. Virginia allows no more than 3 shells in a shot gun. I own many guns and enjoy rabbit hunting with my beagles, but laws allowing assault rifles with 20 bullets for hunting are stupid! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From George_Best at adp.com Tue Nov 23 13:44:29 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:44:29 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? Message-ID: Separating exhibitors and vendors is a problem I have a personal interest in. I prefer letting a person be both if they want to do both. Otherwise you're forcing the person to choose one or the other. In my personal case I exhibit engines/tractors at the shows I attend, plus I set up my W.A.I.T (Western Antique Iron Trader) booth. My booth basically is just a shade canopy like used by exhibitors, except I have a W.A.I.T. banner attached and have a table to give out free W.A.I.T. samples. The vendor part is that I also accept new subscriptions and renewals. The accepting payments at my exhibit is more of a service or convenience for people than anything else. We produce W.A.I.T. on such a low profit margin that it wouldn't pay to get a vendor space for the amount of new subscriptions we get at a show. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Reg & Margaret Ingold > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:26 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? > > As a foreign visitor to the Portland event, I am awed by the > magnitude of the problems in organising it. > While I can see the sanity in having traders separated from > the exhibitors, When my mate Tom Ball set up a table with his > Eclipse model and castings in the ATIS area and was prepared > to sell a few sets of castings, I really could see no > problem. He was showing with his group of friends. > Technically, he was in the wrong. > So just where CAN you draw the line? I feel that there should > be a very flexible dividing line so all can be accommodated > without a lot of 'set in concrete' rules. > The solidifying of 'rules' always drives people away and > causes friction. > Trust me, I KNOW!!! > To me, Portland IS the greatest. Dont let the 'small minded' spoil it. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. From asouth at strato.net Tue Nov 23 13:44:32 2004 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:44:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) References: <41A27FF6.1020503@scrtc.com><004e01c4d136$05fe2f40$45111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <025f01c4d1a5$9f235b40$4b00a8c0@Arthur> I think you are right on that one Arnie! Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) > G'day Reg, > > The "selling thing" at Portland is one thing I think they do have right. > Since they charge ALL of the vendors for their "selling spots" (which > helps the overall finances for running the show), they do have to draw a > line somewhere on folks selling who have NOT paid for a "selling spot." > > The line that they've drawn is NO SELLING; nothing, nada, zip, zilch. > That is a clear, unambiguous rule. Even a FATG can understand that one. > > If I bring a few items to Portland that I want to sell, I have two legit > options. The first is to put them into the Trading Post. There the club > takes 10% off the top on everything that sells. I've got no problem with > that either. The other option is to ask one of many SEL friends who ARE > sellers if they would mind me putting my "For Sale" item in their area. > Courtesy dictates that you offer to buy 'em a sandwich or offer a beer as > a "thank you." If it's a big dollar item, I think it's also nice to offer > a financial "thank you." But that's just me. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > > > While I can see the sanity in having traders separated from the exhibitors, > > When my mate Tom Ball set up a table with his Eclipse model and castings in > > the ATIS area and was prepared to sell a few sets of castings, I really > > could see no problem. He was showing with his group of friends. Technically, > > he was in the wrong. > > So just where CAN you draw the line? I feel that there should be a very > > flexible dividing line so all can be accommodated without a lot of 'set in > > concrete' rules. > > The solidifying of 'rules' always drives people away and causes friction. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From asouth at strato.net Tue Nov 23 13:45:33 2004 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:45:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) References: <41A27FF6.1020503@scrtc.com><004e01c4d136$05fe2f40$45111bd3@athlon> <002501c4d16b$d05a4820$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: <026601c4d1a5$c32976a0$4b00a8c0@Arthur> I hear ya, Mike. Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) > Don't ya just hate it when Arnie makes sense? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:32 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) > > > > G'day Reg, > > > > The "selling thing" at Portland is one thing I think they do have right. > > Since they charge ALL of the vendors for their "selling spots" (which > > helps the overall finances for running the show), they do have to draw a > > line somewhere on folks selling who have NOT paid for a "selling spot." > > > > The line that they've drawn is NO SELLING; nothing, nada, zip, zilch. > > That is a clear, unambiguous rule. Even a FATG can understand that one. > > > > If I bring a few items to Portland that I want to sell, I have two legit > > options. The first is to put them into the Trading Post. There the club > > takes 10% off the top on everything that sells. I've got no problem with > > that either. The other option is to ask one of many SEL friends who ARE > > sellers if they would mind me putting my "For Sale" item in their area. > > Courtesy dictates that you offer to buy 'em a sandwich or offer a beer as > > a "thank you." If it's a big dollar item, I think it's also nice to offer > > a financial "thank you." But that's just me. > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > Arnie Fero > > Pittsburgh, PA > > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > > > > > While I can see the sanity in having traders separated from the > exhibitors, > > > When my mate Tom Ball set up a table with his Eclipse model and castings > in > > > the ATIS area and was prepared to sell a few sets of castings, I really > > > could see no problem. He was showing with his group of friends. > Technically, > > > he was in the wrong. > > > So just where CAN you draw the line? I feel that there should be a very > > > flexible dividing line so all can be accommodated without a lot of 'set > in > > > concrete' rules. > > > The solidifying of 'rules' always drives people away and causes > friction. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From marvhed at ecenet.com Tue Nov 23 14:09:43 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:09:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) In-Reply-To: <191.32e9d7ce.2ed4fd47@aol.com> References: <191.32e9d7ce.2ed4fd47@aol.com> Message-ID: <55252.199.62.0.252.1101247783.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> just for the record, this is from an article in the minneapolis tribune: <<>> marv in minn > In a message dated 11/23/2004 9:20:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, > BetCleve321 at aol.com writes: > > << The reason why he did that is that he had an assult rifle. > Said so on the news. >> > > > Yes, and the news said it was loaded with 20 bullets. Who needs a semi > automatic gun with 20 bullets to deer hunt? This is one of the greatest > tragic > reasons people want assault rifles banned. Virginia allows no more than 3 > shells in a shot gun. I own many guns and enjoy rabbit hunting with my > beagles, > but laws allowing assault rifles with 20 bullets for hunting are stupid! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 23 14:21:27 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:21:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) In-Reply-To: <55252.199.62.0.252.1101247783.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <191.32e9d7ce.2ed4fd47@aol.com> <55252.199.62.0.252.1101247783.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: Hi Marv, On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > just for the record, this is from an article in the minneapolis tribune: > > << Dennis Anderson, Star Tribune > November 23, 2004 HUNTERS1123.GUN > The weapon is often misrepresented as an "assault" rifle, Monson said, but Ahhhh, that's cos it doesn't have enough of the meaningless cosmetic features to qualify. It only has a grenade launcher and a bayonet. Add a pistol grip and a detatchable mag, and whoa boy! ASSAULT RIFLE! > the popular "sporterized," or hunting, version sold by Monson and used by > some deer hunters was not covered by the federal assault weapons ban that > recently expired. > > The trigger of the semiautomatic SKS must be pulled each time to fire a > round. Yeah, EXACTLY as one needs to do with every so-called "assault rifle" that WAS banned! More to the point though, why isn't this thread over on Slick Willy instead of on the SEL? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Nov 23 14:29:57 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:29:57 EST Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) Message-ID: <1d9.3082ab5d.2ed513e5@aol.com> In a message dated 11/23/2004 5:14:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, marvhed at ecenet.com writes: << The weapon is often misrepresented as an "assault" rifle, Monson said, but the popular "sporterized," or hunting, version sold by Monson and used by some deer hunters was not covered by the federal assault weapons ban that recently expired. >> Marvin, Highly controversial subject and only "not listed" as an assault rifle thru a technicality and very simply converted to automatic firing by purchase of minor parts at any "legal" gun show. Regardless whether fully automatic or semi automatic trigger, I will say again that any high powered gun with a load capacity of 20 rounds is not a hunting gun! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Nov 23 14:32:18 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:32:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) References: <41A27FF6.1020503@scrtc.com><004e01c4d136$05fe2f40$45111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <010b01c4d1ac$69eaeb80$180d1bd3@athlon> I apologise to the list for making an error in my previous mail. I put it wrong. He took orders for castings. didnt sell on site. That was what I felt was ok. I have no argument with the existing policy. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) > G'day Reg, > > The "selling thing" at Portland is one thing I think they do have right. > Since they charge ALL of the vendors for their "selling spots" (which > helps the overall finances for running the show), they do have to draw a > line somewhere on folks selling who have NOT paid for a "selling spot." > > The line that they've drawn is NO SELLING; nothing, nada, zip, zilch. > That is a clear, unambiguous rule. Even a FATG can understand that one. > > If I bring a few items to Portland that I want to sell, I have two legit > options. The first is to put them into the Trading Post. There the club > takes 10% off the top on everything that sells. I've got no problem with > that either. The other option is to ask one of many SEL friends who ARE > sellers if they would mind me putting my "For Sale" item in their area. > Courtesy dictates that you offer to buy 'em a sandwich or offer a beer as > a "thank you." If it's a big dollar item, I think it's also nice to offer > a financial "thank you." But that's just me. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > > > While I can see the sanity in having traders separated from the exhibitors, > > When my mate Tom Ball set up a table with his Eclipse model and castings in > > the ATIS area and was prepared to sell a few sets of castings, I really > > could see no problem. He was showing with his group of friends. Technically, > > he was in the wrong. > > So just where CAN you draw the line? I feel that there should be a very > > flexible dividing line so all can be accommodated without a lot of 'set in > > concrete' rules. > > The solidifying of 'rules' always drives people away and causes friction. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Tue Nov 23 14:44:09 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:44:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) References: <191.32e9d7ce.2ed4fd47@aol.com> Message-ID: <008701c4d1ad$f379a700$201117d1@net.telenet.net> Tom, First off, the SKS IS NOT AN ASSAULT RIFLE. Second IF the new bills the Dems have introduced ever go through you will get your wish BUT you will also be turning in ANY semi-auto rifles YOU own. AND they also want to ban ANY semi-auto shotguns that were ever used by any military. Steve Williams I am the NRA http://www.nra.org/ http://www.mooreexposed.com/ Go here to read the truth about gun controls poster boy.... http://armingamericafraud.grimfacts.org/ And more about the Arming America Lies. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) > In a message dated 11/23/2004 9:20:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, > BetCleve321 at aol.com writes: > > << The reason why he did that is that he had an assult rifle. > Said so on the news. >> > > > Yes, and the news said it was loaded with 20 bullets. Who needs a semi > automatic gun with 20 bullets to deer hunt? This is one of the greatest tragic > reasons people want assault rifles banned. Virginia allows no more than 3 > shells in a shot gun. I own many guns and enjoy rabbit hunting with my beagles, > but laws allowing assault rifles with 20 bullets for hunting are stupid! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 23 15:14:18 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:14:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) In-Reply-To: <1d9.3082ab5d.2ed513e5@aol.com> References: <1d9.3082ab5d.2ed513e5@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom, On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Highly controversial subject and only "not listed" as an assault rifle thru a > technicality True!! As are a great many conventional hunting rifles. The ban was based on cosmetic features that made the rifles look "scary." > and very simply converted to automatic firing by purchase of > minor parts at any "legal" gun show. The SKS is NOT "simply converted" to full-auto. That is a myth. For rifles that CAN be converted to full auto, those conversion parts are regulated EXACTLY as are the full auto machine guns themselves. Both buyer and seller must have Federal Class 3 FFLs which entail more scrutiny into your life than most shooters are willing to bear and a $3000 fee on top of that. And, yes, machine guns may be legally bought and sold at gun shows providing that BOTH buyer and seller have Class 3 FFLs. And a helluva lot of money! A classic Tommy gun in shootable condition was going for ~$15,000 at my friendly local gun show this weekend. An Uzi was going in the range of $6,000 to $10,000 depending on features and condition. Full auto is a rich man's game. WAY too rich for me. > I will say again that any high powered gun with a load > capacity of 20 rounds is not a hunting gun! > Tom Schmutz I'll agree that anyone who would call himself a hunter sure as hell shouldn't NEED 20 rounds in the gun!! 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - Can we move this thread over to Slick Willy? Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Nov 23 15:04:26 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:04:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) Message-ID: <20041123.181813.524.5.jlb94@juno.com> The problem with the "Anti-Gun" people (Which includes the media ) is - They wouldn't know an assault weapon if it bit 'em in the ass. I don't care if the load capacity is 20 rounds or 2 rounds. Pretty soon they will be calling a B.B. Gun an "Assault Weapon". Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Nov 23 15:26:43 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:26:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) Message-ID: <20041123.182645.524.8.jlb94@juno.com> Is Tommy "Really" a judge ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 23 15:42:29 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:42:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... In-Reply-To: <20041123.182645.524.8.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20041123.182645.524.8.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe, Yep! http://www.lincolnbicentennial.gov/bios/turner.html See ya, Arnie On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Is Tommy "Really" a judge ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Nov 23 16:02:01 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:02:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... In-Reply-To: References: <20041123.182645.524.8.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041123190040.13178a70@mail.alltel.net> At 06:42 PM 11/23/2004, you wrote: >Hi Joe, >Yep! http://www.lincolnbicentennial.gov/bios/turner.html >See ya, Arnie And it should be added that his is the ONLY courtroom in KY (perhaps the USA) in which one can smoke! Dave From falcon at telenet.net Tue Nov 23 16:24:09 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:24:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) References: <1d9.3082ab5d.2ed513e5@aol.com> Message-ID: <01e701c4d1bb$ead78960$201117d1@net.telenet.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Slick Willy" Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) > Hi Tom, > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > > Highly controversial subject and only "not listed" as an assault rifle thru a > > technicality > > True!! As are a great many conventional hunting rifles. The ban was > based on cosmetic features that made the rifles look "scary." Yep, not a SINGLE item in the ban made ANY difference to the way the firearms actually functioned. OH and don't forget that it ONLY banned new production and sales of new weapons, any that were already out there were still available. > > > and very simply converted to automatic firing by purchase of > > minor parts at any "legal" gun show. > > The SKS is NOT "simply converted" to full-auto. That is a myth. For > rifles that CAN be converted to full auto, those conversion parts are > regulated EXACTLY as are the full auto machine guns themselves. Both > buyer and seller must have Federal Class 3 FFLs which entail more scrutiny > into your life than most shooters are willing to bear and a $3000 fee on > top of that. > > And, yes, machine guns may be legally bought and sold at gun shows > providing that BOTH buyer and seller have Class 3 FFLs. And a helluva lot > of money! A classic Tommy gun in shootable condition was going for > ~$15,000 at my friendly local gun show this weekend. An Uzi was going in > the range of $6,000 to $10,000 depending on features and condition. Full > auto is a rich man's game. WAY too rich for me. > Not entirely correct Arnie. To purchase an NFA weapon, you must submit two sets of fingerprints, a recent photo, a sworn affidavit that transfer of the NFA firearm is of "reasonable necessity," and that sale to and possession of the weapon by the applicant "would be consistent with public safety" and endure a background investigation. In addition, the application must be signed by a chief law enforcement officer with jurisdiction in the applicant's residence. However you do need two class 3s IF your buying a weapon from another dealer out of state. BUT prices are REDICULOUS as you stated. Get caught with a drop in "auto-sear" for an AR-15 and not have the paperwork for it and you WILL spend time behind bars, Plus lose your rights to EVER own any firearms ever again, and spend BIG money paying fines. Since that is one part that can make an ILLEGAL unregistered machine gun. Making any machine gun is illegal. > > I will say again that any high powered gun with a load > > capacity of 20 rounds is not a hunting gun! > > Tom Schmutz > I'll agree that anyone who would call himself a hunter sure as hell > shouldn't NEED 20 rounds in the gun!! 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - Can we move this thread over to Slick Willy? > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Nov 23 17:20:54 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:20:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... In-Reply-To: References: <20041123.182645.524.8.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <41A3E1F6.6080003@scrtc.com> Arnie, A lot of people think that is a High School photo of me but its only about 5 years old. I've aged alot in that time! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Joe, > >Yep! http://www.lincolnbicentennial.gov/bios/turner.html > >See ya, Arnie > >On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > > > >>Is Tommy "Really" a judge ? >> >>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Nov 23 17:20:43 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:20:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... Message-ID: <20041123.203025.280.3.jlb94@juno.com> And it should be added that his is the ONLY courtroom in KY (perhaps the USA) in which one can smoke! Dave = = = = = Now that you've quit. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Nov 23 17:16:08 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:16:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... Message-ID: <20041123.203025.280.2.jlb94@juno.com> Oh Shit !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Nov 23 17:54:10 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:54:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IDEAL Message-ID: <20041123.205436.1116.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, The other day, my kid came home and said, "Do you want an IDEAL" ? What - Are You kidding ? Anyway - It found it's way to my truck and into the garage. It's solid rust - many broken or missing pieces - The hopper & base seem to be entact with no cracks - the mixer is there but rusted solid. It's stuck tight. The other day, I put a new Master Cylinder on my truck and used the spent brake fluid to "paint" some of the bolts and parts in hopes it will help in taking it apart. Can be seen at my Community.Webshots Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Nov 23 18:14:50 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:14:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... In-Reply-To: <20041123.203025.280.3.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20041123.203025.280.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041123211314.13164f30@mail.alltel.net> At 08:20 PM 11/23/2004, you wrote: >And it should be added that his is the ONLY courtroom in KY (perhaps the >USA) in which one can smoke! > Dave >= = = = = >Now that you've quit. >Joe "Pip" Betz It matters not that I quit. What matters is that The Judge is concerned with freedom and his roots! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Nov 23 18:15:56 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:15:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... In-Reply-To: <41A3E1F6.6080003@scrtc.com> References: <20041123.182645.524.8.jlb94@juno.com> <41A3E1F6.6080003@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041123211507.131b0018@mail.alltel.net> At 08:20 PM 11/23/2004, you wrote: >Arnie, >A lot of people think that is a High School photo of me but its only about >5 years old. I've aged alot in that time! >Tommy Turner Thank doG for the air brush, eh Tommy? Dave From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Nov 23 18:38:23 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:38:23 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... In-Reply-To: <41A3E1F6.6080003@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <200411240238.iAO2cTiS076540@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > A lot of people think that is a High School photo of me No Tommy, Most of us recognized the picture at the top of the page as Abe Lincoln, mainly due to our familiarity with the five dollar bill. Hopefully there will be at least a few more years until you're eligible to have your picture on any currency. Rob From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Nov 23 18:48:04 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:48:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IDEAL In-Reply-To: <20041123.205436.1116.0.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20041123.205436.1116.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041123214629.1318f218@mail.alltel.net> VERY nice find Joe. I take for granted that it will be displayed at the Hammer In and Plowing Days show in the Spring! Dave At 08:54 PM 11/23/2004, you wrote: >Hi List, > >The other day, my kid came home and said, "Do you want an IDEAL" ? > >What - Are You kidding ? > >Anyway - It found it's way to my truck and into the garage. > >It's solid rust - many broken or missing pieces - The hopper & base seem >to be entact with no cracks - the mixer is there but rusted solid. > >It's stuck tight. > >The other day, I put a new Master Cylinder on my truck and used the spent >brake fluid to "paint" some of the bolts and parts in hopes it will help >in taking it apart. > >Can be seen at my Community.Webshots > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > \/)"(\/ when He was tired." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 23 19:13:39 2004 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 03:13:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041124031339.2072.qmail@web25009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To all our American hunters We would quite happily export our 'Animal Rights' activists from the UK and soon you would not have any hunting in the US, with assault rifles or any other weapons. Fur coats have been a no show for years and now they have just succeeded in getting foxhunting banned. Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Nov 23 20:35:58 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:35:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... References: <20041123.203025.280.3.jlb94@juno.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041123211314.13164f30@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <002201c4d1df$18f04c10$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> You nailed it Dave. Freedom and it's roots. Queers are out of the closet to make room for smokers. Maybe I'll quit and maybe not. Should be my choice. For the others it is also their choice. My opinion of either won't change with government intervention. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... > At 08:20 PM 11/23/2004, you wrote: >>And it should be added that his is the ONLY courtroom in KY (perhaps the >>USA) in which one can smoke! >> Dave >>= = = = = >>Now that you've quit. >>Joe "Pip" Betz > > It matters not that I quit. What matters is that The Judge is concerned > with freedom and his roots! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Mickc at vic.australis.com.au Tue Nov 23 22:16:56 2004 From: Mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:16:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engines for sale, aussie list members Message-ID: <001401c4d1ed$33b43940$23a557ca@n> G'day All I have a heap of engines for sale due to lack of space. So if interested email me off list, and i'll send you a list of whats on offer. Cheers Mick Mickc at vic.australis.com.au ------------------------------------------------------ InterNet Australis http://www.australis.com.au/ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Nov 23 23:00:31 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:00:31 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... In-Reply-To: <002201c4d1df$18f04c10$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <200411240700.iAO70bt0099982@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> >Queers are out of the closet >Maybe I'll quit and maybe not. Should be my choice. Jeff, I applaud you for coming out of the closet. It was a very brave move, considering all the right-wingers who lurk here. Don't worry, just because we don't approve of your lifestyle doesn't mean we think you're a bad person. Rob From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Nov 24 01:09:25 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:09:25 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... References: <20041123.182645.524.8.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <001e01c4d205$4cd01030$8c9f0952@no1> See also our profile page. http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/intro.htm#turner Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:42 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... > Hi Joe, > > Yep! http://www.lincolnbicentennial.gov/bios/turner.html > > See ya, Arnie > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > > > Is Tommy "Really" a judge ? > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Nov 24 03:37:38 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:37:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... References: <20041123.182645.524.8.jlb94@juno.com> <41A3E1F6.6080003@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <021e01c4d21a$03b08820$180d1bd3@athlon> A likely tale!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... > Arnie, > > A lot of people think that is a High School photo of me but its only > about 5 years old. I've aged alot in that time! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Arnie Fero wrote: > > >Hi Joe, > > > >Yep! http://www.lincolnbicentennial.gov/bios/turner.html > > > >See ya, Arnie > > > >On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > > > > > > > >>Is Tommy "Really" a judge ? > >> > >>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > >> > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Nov 24 06:43:06 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:43:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Slick Willy In-Reply-To: <000c01c4d1c0$05bd3af0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> References: <000c01c4d1c0$05bd3af0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: Hi Folks, I've decided to copy the list on this reply to Jeff as there may be others who are wondering about "Slick Willy." Hi Jeff, Slick Willy is an email list like the SEL that Jim Dunmyer built back in the heyday of Monica & Slick Willy (anyone remember them?). There was just too much "politics" on the SEL and folks were bailing. You'll recognize a large number of the folks who post to Slick. 8-)) NOTHING is off-topic (or sacred). All oxen are gored at will. The politics tend to be right of center. 8-)) Liberals are welcome cos they're such fun to bait. You should give it a try. Send an email to slick-request at toltbbs.com with only: subscribe in the subject and/or body of the message. You'll receive a reply within a few minutes. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Jeff Allen wrote: > Just what is Slick Willy? A list? Want porn, do a google search using the term. From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Nov 24 07:25:16 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:25:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... Message-ID: <20041124.103905.1124.9.jlb94@juno.com> It matters not that I quit. What matters is that The Judge is concerned with freedom and his roots! Dave = = = = = And - I admire you for that. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Nov 24 07:14:46 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:14:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IDEAL Message-ID: <20041124.103905.1124.7.jlb94@juno.com> VERY nice find Joe. I take for granted that it will be displayed at the Hammer In and Plowing Days show in the Spring! Dave = = = = = LOL - - - Well - That would be nice but I sorta doubt it. It will take more than one winter to get it back in shape - - - IF I decide to restore. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Nov 23 18:29:15 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:29:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... In-Reply-To: <41A3E1F6.6080003@scrtc.com> References: <20041123.182645.524.8.jlb94@juno.com> <41A3E1F6.6080003@scrtc.com> Message-ID: If you knew Abe Lincoln, it's about time! On Nov 23, 2004, at 8:20 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Arnie, > A lot of people think that is a High School photo of me but its only > about 5 years old. I've aged alot in that time! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 24 09:50:11 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:50:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124123357.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, This past spring while at the Coolspring Show I came across an old air compressor. It was only $100.00 so I bought the thing. Several weeks ago I decided to see if it would pump air, and discovered that one fitting had been broken off. In order to get to the fitting to replace it, I had to take the compressor and motor and deck off the tank. While it was off I decided to restore the thing. In the process of the restoration I discovered a tag soldered to the tank indicating that the tank was tested to 200 lbs. and that it was made in 1926. The compressor is single stage and the motor on the unit is a 1 1/2 HP GE. Power is provided from the motor to the compressor via a 2" flat belt. The unit was made by The United States Air Compressor Co. of Cleveland Ohio. After some 110v/220v problems (due to my ignorance) which Rob straightened out for me, the compressor runs just fine and has no problem pumping 125 lbs. It then turns itself off and the mechanical pressure switch turns it back on when the pressure drops to 75 lbs. It's kinda a neat unit and will make it's new home in my son's (DJ's) garage! Pictures can be seen at: http://www.nightvisionweb.com/anvs_3105.htm Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 24 09:54:13 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:54:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Compressor Pictures Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124125059.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> OPPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! The pictures of my 1926 compressor are at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Roti_Eng/ NOT http://www.nightvisionweb.com/anvs_3105.htm (The latter is where Arnie is buying goggles instead of a flashlight!) SORRY! Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Nov 24 10:02:39 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:02:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Compressor Pictures In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124125059.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124125059.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Dave, Well as long as the Neo-Druid Dead Puppy Cult keeps scheduling the naked frolics for the nights of a new moon, it makes sense to me. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Dave Rotigel wrote: > http://www.nightvisionweb.com/anvs_3105.htm (The latter is where Arnie is > buying goggles instead of a flashlight!) SORRY! From curt at imc-group.com Wed Nov 24 10:26:35 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:26:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124123357.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124123357.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <41A4D25B.1080909@imc-group.com> Wow Dave! This is quite a transformation from the original condition a few months ago. See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Coolsprings2004/P6190172.JPG Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Ref restored: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/1926_Compressor/index.html Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi All, > This past spring while at the Coolspring Show I came across an old > air compressor. It was only $100.00 so I bought the thing. Several > weeks ago I decided to see if it would pump air, and discovered that > one fitting had been broken off. In order to get to the fitting to > replace it, I had to take the compressor and motor and deck off the > tank. While it was off I decided to restore the thing. > In the process of the restoration I discovered a tag soldered to > the tank indicating that the tank was tested to 200 lbs. and that it > was made in 1926. The compressor is single stage and the motor on the > unit is a 1 1/2 HP GE. Power is provided from the motor to the > compressor via a 2" flat belt. The unit was made by The United States > Air Compressor Co. of Cleveland Ohio. After some 110v/220v problems > (due to my ignorance) which Rob straightened out for me, the > compressor runs just fine and has no problem pumping 125 lbs. It then > turns itself off and the mechanical pressure switch turns it back on > when the pressure drops to 75 lbs. It's kinda a neat unit and will > make it's new home in my son's (DJ's) garage! > Pictures can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/1926_Compressor/index.html > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 24 12:04:37 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:04:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor In-Reply-To: <41A4D25B.1080909@imc-group.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124123357.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> <41A4D25B.1080909@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124145803.13301ec0@mail.alltel.net> Hi Curt, GREAT! I didn't have any "before" pictures--now I do! I also, now, remember how I got the thing home from Coolspring! Damned if I could remember. Guess I was having too much fun that day! Dave PS, DJ, Please add this one ( http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Coolsprings2004/P6190172.JPG) to the Compressor Pictures. If you can put it up first that would be great. LY Me At 01:26 PM 11/24/2004, you wrote: >Wow Dave! This is quite a transformation from the original condition a few >months ago. See: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Coolsprings2004/P6190172.JPG >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC >Ref restored: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/1926_Compressor/index.html > >Dave Rotigel wrote: > >>Hi All, >> This past spring while at the Coolspring Show I came across an old >> air compressor. It was only $100.00 so I bought the thing. Several weeks >> ago I decided to see if it would pump air, and discovered that one >> fitting had been broken off. In order to get to the fitting to replace >> it, I had to take the compressor and motor and deck off the tank. While >> it was off I decided to restore the thing. >> In the process of the restoration I discovered a tag soldered to the >> tank indicating that the tank was tested to 200 lbs. and that it was >> made in 1926. The compressor is single stage and the motor on the unit >> is a 1 1/2 HP GE. Power is provided from the motor to the compressor via >> a 2" flat belt. The unit was made by The United States Air Compressor >> Co. of Cleveland Ohio. After some 110v/220v problems (due to my >> ignorance) which Rob straightened out for me, the compressor runs just >> fine and has no problem pumping 125 lbs. It then turns itself off and >> the mechanical pressure switch turns it back on when the pressure drops >> to 75 lbs. It's kinda a neat unit and will make it's new home in my >> son's (DJ's) garage! >> Pictures can be seen at: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/1926_Compressor/index.html > >> Dave >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 24 12:52:20 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:52:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Compressor Pictures References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124125059.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <008f01c4d267$81807380$210110ac@PaulMaples> Dave this is a beautiful restoration which is typical of your work. Great job and thanks for posting the pictures. I cannot wait to see this superb of a restoration on your Ideal Lawnmower. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 11:54 AM Subject: [SEL] Compressor Pictures > OPPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! The pictures of my 1926 compressor are at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Roti_Eng/ NOT > http://www.nightvisionweb.com/anvs_3105.htm (The latter is where Arnie is > buying goggles instead of a flashlight!) SORRY! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Nov 24 13:07:49 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:07:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124145803.13301ec0@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124123357.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> <41A4D25B.1080909@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124145803.13301ec0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Dave, The compressor rode home from Coolspring on the trailer in front of my Bessemer half-breed. That pic of Curt's is on the trailer. In the background of the pic you can see the support posts for the "roof" over the half-breed and the face of the steamer where the gas cylinder was removed. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Coolsprings2004/P6190172.JPG See ya, Arnie On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Dave Rotigel wrote: > GREAT! I didn't have any "before" pictures--now I do! I also, now, > remember how I got the thing home from Coolspring! Damned if I could > remember. Guess I was having too much fun that day! From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 24 13:20:30 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:20:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124123357.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> <41A4D25B.1080909@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124145803.13301ec0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124161556.132bd480@mail.alltel.net> At 04:07 PM 11/24/2004, Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Dave, >The compressor rode home from Coolspring on the trailer in front of my >Bessemer half-breed. That pic of Curt's is on the trailer. In the >background of the pic you can see the support posts for the "roof" over >the half-breed and the face of the steamer where the gas cylinder was >removed. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Coolsprings2004/P6190172.JPG >See ya, Arnie Hi Arnie, Yes, I remembered that upon seeing the picture. How in the hell did we get the antique hack saw home? WOW I really must have been having fun! Dave PS, Did you recognize the gal "swigging" white wine in the background of Curt's picture? From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Nov 24 13:44:55 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:44:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124161556.132bd480@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124123357.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> <41A4D25B.1080909@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124145803.13301ec0@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124161556.132bd480@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Dave, On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Yes, I remembered that upon seeing the picture. How in the hell > did we get the antique hack saw home? WOW I really must have been having fun! My trailer? > PS, Did you recognize the gal "swigging" white wine in the background of > Curt's picture? Yeah, wot a boozer!! See ya, Arnie PS - Did you notice that white-bearded pervert in the background? Looks like he's stealing tools from that truck!! From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 24 14:12:39 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:12:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What is Hylomar ? References: <20041118.001131.1020.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <00c201c4d272$b6c9ce00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > experiment with some Hylomar on that top surface , > It allows dissasembly and reuse .Lot of the gummers prefer grease . > And for good reason . > = = = = = > What's Hylomar ? Permatex makes it , looks like blue gel toothpaste . Gasket dressing , not gasket maker . Fills small imperfections and doesnt set up so you can get the joint apart later . Specified in my HD45 WL military bike manual . Been around a long time . From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 24 14:33:12 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:33:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124123357.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> <41A4D25B.1080909@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124145803.13301ec0@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124161556.132bd480@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124172419.132ce870@mail.alltel.net> >Hi Dave, >On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > Yes, I remembered that upon seeing the picture. How in the hell > > did we get the antique hack saw home? WOW I really must have been > having fun! >My trailer? > > PS, Did you recognize the gal "swigging" white wine in the background of > > Curt's picture? >Yeah, wot a boozer!! >See ya, Arnie >PS - Did you notice that white-bearded pervert in the background? Looks >like he's stealing tools from that truck!! It's my understanding that the old pervert with the white beard was arrested for theft and in now serving time. (I get this 2nd hand, so it may not be true.) The gal, I understand, used to dance at Climax l. I'll have to ask Nick what here stage name was. When I find out I'll let you know--I'm sure that you will recognize the name! Dave From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Nov 24 14:37:38 2004 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:37:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124123357.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> <41A4D25B.1080909@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124145803.13301ec0@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124161556.132bd480@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001d01c4d276$34123980$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> Those dang NC hillbillies "Uncle Dallas and Aunt Linda" bear watching! Great job on the compressor! I have done over a dozen of the 1950's era Brunners, which are not only far superior to the Japanese knockoff "FERO", but all of mine are finished and RUNNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor > Hi Dave, > > On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > > Yes, I remembered that upon seeing the picture. How in the hell > > did we get the antique hack saw home? WOW I really must have been having fun! > > My trailer? > > > PS, Did you recognize the gal "swigging" white wine in the background of > > Curt's picture? > > Yeah, wot a boozer!! > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - Did you notice that white-bearded pervert in the background? Looks > like he's stealing tools from that truck!! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Nov 24 14:46:03 2004 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:46:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124123357.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> <41A4D25B.1080909@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124145803.13301ec0@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124161556.132bd480@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <002f01c4d277$6100cc80$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> Dave: I forgot to mention, I may have the correct style air cleaner you so desperately need, and if you bring that hunk of junk to Asheville in October, I will double, that's right, DOUBLE your money on it. No, no don't thank me, you know my motto, "give,give,give, and never take". MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor > Hi Dave, > > On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > > Yes, I remembered that upon seeing the picture. How in the hell > > did we get the antique hack saw home? WOW I really must have been having fun! > > My trailer? > > > PS, Did you recognize the gal "swigging" white wine in the background of > > Curt's picture? > > Yeah, wot a boozer!! > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - Did you notice that white-bearded pervert in the background? Looks > like he's stealing tools from that truck!! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Nov 24 15:05:14 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:05:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What is Hylomar ? In-Reply-To: <00c201c4d272$b6c9ce00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <20041118.001131.1020.2.jlb94@juno.com> <00c201c4d272$b6c9ce00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:12:39 -0600, you wrote: > > >> experiment with some Hylomar on that top surface , >> It allows dissasembly and reuse .Lot of the gummers prefer grease . >> And for good reason . >> = = = = = >> What's Hylomar ? > > >Permatex makes it , looks like blue gel toothpaste . >Gasket dressing , not gasket maker . Fills small imperfections >and doesnt set up so you can get the joint apart later . >Specified in my HD45 WL military bike manual . >Been around a long time . Originally developed by Rolls-Royce, now licenced out to loads of people in the engine world including Perkins, caterpillar etc etc. It is a gasket jointing compound, often used where a gasket is not allowed or not practicable, but also used OB gaskets. Comes as an aerosol or in a tube. Peter From dcox at triad.rr.com Wed Nov 24 15:08:50 2004 From: dcox at triad.rr.com (Dallas Cox) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:08:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124123357.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> <41A4D25B.1080909@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124145803.13301ec0@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124161556.132bd480@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <004201c4d27a$8fd74770$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Darn it....I got caught!! As for Dallas, you never know what he's into.....I don't remember any extras in the truck when we got home!! Dave, The compressor looks GREAT....beautiful job! :>) We hope everyone has a safe and happy Thanksgiving and don't eat tooooooooo much. Dallas is going to be playing with his latest toy...another oil field engine! It followed him home last weekend! I said "Merry Christmas"! HO..HO..HO! Dallas and Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor > Hi Dave, > > On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > > Yes, I remembered that upon seeing the picture. How in the hell > > did we get the antique hack saw home? WOW I really must have been having fun! > > My trailer? > > > PS, Did you recognize the gal "swigging" white wine in the background of > > Curt's picture? > > Yeah, wot a boozer!! > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - Did you notice that white-bearded pervert in the background? Looks > like he's stealing tools from that truck!! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Nov 23 10:01:55 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:01:55 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) References: <1c9.2101f49e.2ed49d70@aol.com> <43963.199.62.0.252.1101220486.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <002601c4d186$85f782f0$8c9f0952@no1> Thanks for that Marv. They are a race that I haven't heard of in the English media. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) > also read this article about the Hmong concerns. > http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5099915.html > > > marv in minn > > > > > In a message dated 11/22/2004 10:59:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > cjclem at sysim.net writes: > > > > A hunter went beserk & killed 6, injured 2 more over deer hunting > > fracas. # 6 died this eve. > > http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/21/wisconsin.shootings/ > > > > > > > > The reason why he did that is that he had an assult rifle. > > Said so on the news. > > > > Skip > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Nov 24 17:27:14 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:27:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) References: <20041123.182645.524.8.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <003c01c4d28d$e56c7ad0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Joe, Heres another article on the judge's kewl engine. http://www.gasenginemagazine.com/1104/story.asp Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) > Is Tommy "Really" a judge ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > \/)"(\/ when He was tired." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Nov 24 19:49:21 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:49:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) Message-ID: <20041124.225522.880.7.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Jeff, Yes - I read that article in it's entirety - and - Was much impressed. I usually do not read ALL the article. This one kept my attention. Thanks, Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Nov 24 19:42:22 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:42:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Compressor Pictures Message-ID: <20041124.225522.880.6.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Dave, You don't waste any time - Do you ? It looks a little different than at Coolsprings. Nice Job. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 24 20:11:07 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:11:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Compressor Pictures In-Reply-To: <20041124.225522.880.6.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20041124.225522.880.6.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124230902.02350e58@mail.alltel.net> At 10:42 PM 11/24/2004, you wrote: >Hi Dave, >You don't waste any time - Do you ? >Joe "Pip" Betz Hi Joe, That's exactly what Jennie said to me last night--but I don't think she meant it in the same way you do! Dave From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Nov 25 06:30:52 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:30:52 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Cheffins sale cataloge Message-ID: <000701c4d2fb$5ee75660$8c9f0952@no1> Sale over so its safe to look without going bankrupt. See http://www.cheffins.co.uk/version2/vintage/tractorssteam/catalogues/2004/041015fleggburgh/ The main interest about engines seems to be in the 600-700 section. Might be a bit slow if your not on broadband. I picked this up from the UK newsgroup. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From mrengine at comcast.net Thu Nov 25 09:02:20 2004 From: mrengine at comcast.net (mrengine at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:02:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] HAPPY THANKSGIVING Message-ID: <112520041702.6634.41A6101C0007F72E000019EA22007503300A020709020A9D03@comcast.net> Happy Thanksgiving everyone!We have much to be thankful for. Frank From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 25 09:47:45 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:47:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] eBay: Buffalo Forge Blacksmiths Blower - Cheap! 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Learn more about spam email at http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/rfe-spam-ov.html. As outlined in our User Agreement, eBay will periodically send you information about site changes and enhancements. Visit our Privacy Policy at http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/privacy-policy.html and User Agreement at http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html if you have any questions. Copyright ? 2004 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners. eBay and the eBay logo are trademarks of eBay Inc. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 25 10:01:16 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:01:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Compressor Pictures In-Reply-To: <20041124.225522.880.6.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20041124.225522.880.6.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Damn those seven-day weekend guys anyway!! On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > You don't waste any time - Do you ? > It looks a little different than at Coolsprings. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 25 10:17:05 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:17:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor In-Reply-To: <001d01c4d276$34123980$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124123357.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> <41A4D25B.1080909@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124145803.13301ec0@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124161556.132bd480@mail.alltel.net> <001d01c4d276$34123980$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: <1101406625.41a621a1d0a8d@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Mike, THIS is the ONLY thing those damn Brunner compressors are any good for! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3853408738&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT Feel the love? See ya, Arnie Arnnie FERO Pittsburgh, PA (Home of the Fero Compressor) fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting Mike Royster : > Great job on the compressor! I have done over a dozen of the 1950's era > Brunners, which are not only far superior to the Japanese knockoff "FERO", > but all of mine are finished and RUNNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com Wed Nov 24 07:29:11 2004 From: Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com (Stojanov) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:29:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] TOMMY IS BACK! Message-ID: <000001c4d23a$59c252a0$666c4342@yourtwa0macjqu> Dear List, Hello, sorry about not posting on the list during these recent months. It has come to my attention that people have become worried about me, and I'd like you to know that I'm still around. My spam mail problem is huge, over 90% of my mail has become spam, and I recently upgraded Outlook express versions, which is one of the reasons I miss important mail (one of my fingers is always on the delete key!) On another note, I have acquired some new iron, I have a pair of wind generators- a 6V Crossley Windcharger with tower and a 6V Paris Dunn generator. The last engine I bought was a Hercules/ Arco GH on a spray rig. Next engine I am getting is a 2hp Jaeger in the mixer (hard rubber tires.) I also have an old snowmobile now (a little off topic), a 1967 Skidoo Olympique. This also lead to me purchasing a pair of newer snowmobiles, 2 Yamaha SRV540's, and eventually lead to me acquiring a 1980's Yamaha 3 wheeler. That pretty much sums it up for the iron as of now. See ya later. Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov From BillMil357 at aol.com Thu Nov 25 15:26:08 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 18:26:08 EST Subject: [SEL] TOMMY IS BACK! Message-ID: <12a.5139e806.2ed7c410@aol.com> Hey Tommy; Glad you are back, sounds like you will soon have enough toys to have your own show Ha Ha. Have a nice Thanksgiving. See you, Bill Miller Memphis, TN. From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Nov 25 16:17:39 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:17:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Happy Thanksgiving Message-ID: <001901c4d34d$574be270$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hi all, Yup it's an American thing, but we enjoy it. Had a great one here, and hope the same for all of you. Good food and family. The last one is the most important. Jeff Allen From Aermoter at aol.com Thu Nov 25 17:20:29 2004 From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 20:20:29 EST Subject: [SEL] Happy Thanksgiving Message-ID: <144.39a2fe5f.2ed7dedd@aol.com> It was a real joy to see my two little Russian's, now American's dig into all that food. They just could not believe how much food there was to eat. Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. Aermoter at aol.com From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Nov 25 18:38:23 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 21:38:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Happy Thanksgiving In-Reply-To: <144.39a2fe5f.2ed7dedd@aol.com> References: <144.39a2fe5f.2ed7dedd@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041125213537.021b9ad8@mail.alltel.net> At 08:20 PM 11/25/2004, you wrote: >It was a real joy to see my two little Russian's, now American's dig into all >that food. They just could not believe how much food there was to eat. >Tim Christoff Hi Tim' We all have lots to be thankful for this Thanksgiving. Your children are lucky to have you and your wife--and you them! Thanks for sharing them with us! Dave From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Nov 25 18:40:11 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 21:40:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic Message-ID: <41A6978B.4000505@scrtc.com> This is somewhat off topic but not totally. The first pickup truck I remember my dad driving was a 1940 Chevy. I can barely remember riding in it (I was probably 5 or 6 at the time). I want to find one and put an engine in the bed to drive to local shows, parades, fairs, etc. Anybody out there know of a pretty nice old '40 chevy pickup that might be had? I would consider a '39 as they were basically the same truck. I'm a bit leery of ebay as unless I can physically view a truck, they can be a piece of junk but look good in photos. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Nov 25 20:53:30 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 21:53:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Happy Thanksgiving References: <144.39a2fe5f.2ed7dedd@aol.com> Message-ID: <000f01c4d373$e0b64d40$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Our hearts sing together as I had two short ones here today. Ain't life grand!! Keep us posted on the lads. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Happy Thanksgiving > It was a real joy to see my two little Russian's, now American's dig into > all > that food. They just could not believe how much food there was to eat. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor, Ks. > Aermoter at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Nov 26 03:33:31 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:33:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The Eagle Has Landed References: <1c0.20e3eb05.2ed200bb@aol.com> Message-ID: <000c01c4d3ab$c22c0670$a5c5ecdc@morris> G'Day all Delayed news because of a hard drive failure, but now back to normal. Two stories in one, as some of you know I bought a large piece of American iron back in April it now has arrived in OZ. First story, Is the unbelievable effort Keith Kinney put into finding the engine in WV, going to get it and taking in back to Evansville IN before he and his dad did a fantastic job of crating it and then taking the load to Chicago for shipment to Australia. I will never be able to thank Keith enough for all the effort he put into this project to ensure it worked out the way it did. Once again engine people have proved they are the greatest group in the world and I proud to be part of it. Second story, Not an engine every body wants, but they took my eye when I was in the States in 2001. There are none in OZ and as.it weighs in over two tons it should be an attraction when it hits the rally field here. if your would like to see it http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Reid.html Kerry Kerry Morris Lithgow N.S.W OZ Friends in Engine Web: http://members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Nov 26 03:57:36 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:57:36 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The Eagle Has Landed In-Reply-To: <000c01c4d3ab$c22c0670$a5c5ecdc@morris> Message-ID: <200411261224.iAQCOENK005123@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Good to see it finally made it safely to Oz. It will be impressive on the Aussie rally scene. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Not an engine every body wants, but they took my eye when I was in the States in 2001. There are none in OZ and as.it weighs in over two tons it should be an attraction when it hits the rally field here. if your would like to see it http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Reid.html Kerry From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Nov 26 08:11:23 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:11:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Happy Thanksgiving References: <144.39a2fe5f.2ed7dedd@aol.com> Message-ID: A fine example of a real Thanksgiving, Tim. Very kewl!!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Happy Thanksgiving > It was a real joy to see my two little Russian's, now American's dig into > all > that food. They just could not believe how much food there was to eat. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor, Ks. > Aermoter at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Nov 26 08:18:31 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:18:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Compressor Pictures References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124125059.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Super Job as usual. I especially like those ole motors!! If nothing else, just to hear them start up. Take Care, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 10:54 AM Subject: [SEL] Compressor Pictures > OPPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! The pictures of my 1926 compressor are at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Roti_Eng/ NOT > http://www.nightvisionweb.com/anvs_3105.htm (The latter is where Arnie is > buying goggles instead of a flashlight!) SORRY! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Nov 26 09:22:39 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:22:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic Message-ID: <20041126.122428.1280.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Tommy, Around here (Pittsburgh, PA) we have a local magazine called "trader". Truck Trader - Car Trader - Antique Car Trader - Etc. It's available at the local convenience stores - FREE. and most of the cars are local. See if you have them around you. = = = = = = = = = = I would be leery of e-bay also, but I have a buddy that has bought a couple cars from e-bay and he is well satisfied. Right now he is/was looking at a Green Chevy Caprice- I think '68. Last I looked it was around $8,000 (Reserve Not Met) and it is a very nice looking car. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Nov 26 09:53:09 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:53:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic In-Reply-To: <20041126.122428.1280.4.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20041126.122428.1280.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <41A76D85.5050909@scrtc.com> Joe, I have seen those at some of the local stores and have, on occasion, looked at them to see what some of old vehicles are in them. Ususally most of the vehicles are in the 10 - 20 year old range and I haven't haven't seen any '39 or '40 PU in them. But, I should pay more attention to them as if one is listed in them, it would probalby be a much better bargain than what I would find in one of the classic / antique vehicle trader publications. Thanks for the tip and I'll give them a view. TT jlb94 at juno.com wrote: >Hi Tommy, > >Around here (Pittsburgh, PA) we have a local magazine called "trader". > >Truck Trader - Car Trader - Antique Car Trader - Etc. > >It's available at the local convenience stores - FREE. and most of the >cars are local. > >See if you have them around you. >= = = = = = = = = > = > >I would be leery of e-bay also, but I have a buddy that has bought a >couple cars from e-bay and he is well satisfied. > >Right now he is/was looking at a Green Chevy Caprice- I think '68. Last >I looked >it was around $8,000 (Reserve Not Met) and it is a very nice looking car. > > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > \/)"(\/ when He was tired." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Nov 26 12:51:40 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:51:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic References: <41A6978B.4000505@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <005201c4d3f9$bafe9360$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Tommy, Take a look here: http://www.hemmings.com/ Jeff Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 7:40 PM Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic > This is somewhat off topic but not totally. The first pickup truck I > remember my dad driving was a 1940 Chevy. I can barely remember riding > in it (I was probably 5 or 6 at the time). I want to find one and put > an engine in the bed to drive to local shows, parades, fairs, etc. > Anybody out there know of a pretty nice old '40 chevy pickup that might > be had? I would consider a '39 as they were basically the same truck. > I'm a bit leery of ebay as unless I can physically view a truck, they > can be a piece of junk but look good in photos. Thanks. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, Ky > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Nov 26 14:02:43 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 09:02:43 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Russel Gilbert References: <1c0.20e3eb05.2ed200bb@aol.com> <000c01c4d3ab$c22c0670$a5c5ecdc@morris> Message-ID: <001701c4d403$a7e26900$a5c5ecdc@morris> Could someone give me Russel's dads new email thanks Kerry From rexhinz at chorus.net Fri Nov 26 14:17:52 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:17:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic References: <41A6978B.4000505@scrtc.com> <005201c4d3f9$bafe9360$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <000801c4d405$ca5b42c0$7c86a5d8@mycomputer> Tommy; Heres another site http://www.oldchevytruck.com/chevytrucksforsale/ Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic > Tommy, > > Take a look here: http://www.hemmings.com/ > > Jeff Allen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 7:40 PM > Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic > > > > This is somewhat off topic but not totally. The first pickup truck I > > remember my dad driving was a 1940 Chevy. I can barely remember riding > > in it (I was probably 5 or 6 at the time). I want to find one and put > > an engine in the bed to drive to local shows, parades, fairs, etc. > > Anybody out there know of a pretty nice old '40 chevy pickup that might > > be had? I would consider a '39 as they were basically the same truck. > > I'm a bit leery of ebay as unless I can physically view a truck, they > > can be a piece of junk but look good in photos. Thanks. > > > > Tommy Turner > > Magnolia, Ky > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Nov 26 14:53:13 2004 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 09:53:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Russel Gilbert In-Reply-To: <001701c4d403$a7e26900$a5c5ecdc@morris> References: <1c0.20e3eb05.2ed200bb@aol.com> <000c01c4d3ab$c22c0670$a5c5ecdc@morris> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20041127095232.00b6ccc8@mail.ncable.com.au> G'day Kerry try: sumron at optusnet.com.au Should find them with this. Cheers, Russell At 09:02 AM 27/11/2004 +1100, you wrote: >Could someone give me Russel's dads new email >thanks > >Kerry >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Nov 26 15:08:15 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:08:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portable abrasive blaster Message-ID: <000601c4d40c$cfee1800$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hi all, I have access to a blasting cabinet at work, but it won't cut it for larger items such as flywheels. My search for portable blasters overwhelmed me, so I figured I'd turn to the lists. What are you guys, and gals, using for this type of rust removal. What works and doesn't work? I have a 4HP compressor with a 13 gallon tank, so that is an issue also cause it ain't gonna get bigger any time soon. This will be one of my Christmas presents also. I pick what I want and tell her what and where to buy. Works great and I don't have crap I don't need or want. She does the same, by the way, and it works. Thanks in advance and ... Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com Thu Nov 25 15:21:04 2004 From: Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com (Stojanov) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 18:21:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IM BACK! Message-ID: <001001c4d345$6f85cb60$666c4342@yourtwa0macjqu> Dear List, Hello, sorry about not posting on the list during these recent months. It has come to my attention that people have become worried about me, and I'd like you to know that I'm still around. My spam mail problem is huge, over 90% of my mail has become spam, and I recently upgraded Outlook express versions, which is one of the reasons I miss important mail (one of my fingers is always on the delete key!) On another note, I have acquired some new iron, I have a pair of wind generators- a 6V Crossley Windcharger with tower and a 6V Paris Dunn generator. The last engine I bought was a Hercules/ Arco GH on a spray rig. Next engine I am getting is a 2hp Jaeger in the mixer (hard rubber tires.) I also have an old snowmobile now (a little off topic), a 1967 Skidoo Olympique. This also lead to me purchasing a pair of newer snowmobiles, 2 Yamaha SRV540's, and eventually lead to me acquiring a 1980's Yamaha 3 wheeler. That pretty much sums it up for the iron as of now. See ya later. Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov From lfevans at pacbell.net Fri Nov 26 16:19:51 2004 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:19:51 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Deutz engine help needed Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20041126155132.02154838@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Hi...... I am trying to get any information I can on what I think is a Deutz vertical single cylinder probably two stroke cycle diesel engine. See a picture at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/deutz/ I was contacted by a person who is about to go back to the family property in Mexico and would like to try to get it running again if possible. All I know about the engine is that it says "Deutz" on the oiler. If you can verify that it is a Deutz engine, possible age, source of parts and/or engine manual, etc. please let me know and I will pass the information on to the owner Thanks, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From namhel at supernet.com Fri Nov 26 17:40:23 2004 From: namhel at supernet.com (LYNN LEHMAN) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:40:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic Message-ID: <410-220041162714023440@supernet.com> Tommy if you get a chance check out Hemmings motor news or go to their web site at: http://www.hemmings.com/index.cfm From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Nov 26 18:58:04 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:58:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic In-Reply-To: <000801c4d405$ca5b42c0$7c86a5d8@mycomputer> References: <41A6978B.4000505@scrtc.com> <005201c4d3f9$bafe9360$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <000801c4d405$ca5b42c0$7c86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <41A7ED3C.60907@scrtc.com> Rex, Thats a good site. Thanks for the tip. I'll keep and eye out on what shows up there for sale. Tommy Rex Hinz wrote: >Tommy; > > Heres another site http://www.oldchevytruck.com/chevytrucksforsale/ > > Rex Hinz >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jeff Allen" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 2:51 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic > > > > >>Tommy, >> >>Take a look here: http://www.hemmings.com/ >> >>Jeff Allen >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 7:40 PM >>Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic >> >> >> >> >>>This is somewhat off topic but not totally. The first pickup truck I >>>remember my dad driving was a 1940 Chevy. I can barely remember riding >>>in it (I was probably 5 or 6 at the time). I want to find one and put >>>an engine in the bed to drive to local shows, parades, fairs, etc. >>>Anybody out there know of a pretty nice old '40 chevy pickup that might >>>be had? I would consider a '39 as they were basically the same truck. >>>I'm a bit leery of ebay as unless I can physically view a truck, they >>>can be a piece of junk but look good in photos. Thanks. >>> >>>Tommy Turner >>>Magnolia, Ky >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Nov 26 19:00:22 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:00:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic In-Reply-To: <410-220041162714023440@supernet.com> References: <410-220041162714023440@supernet.com> Message-ID: <41A7EDC6.4060004@scrtc.com> Thanks Lynn. I checked there classifieds but didn't find anything. I'll keep checking back with them. Thanks again. Tommy LYNN LEHMAN wrote: >Tommy if you get a chance check out Hemmings motor news or go to their web site at: http://www.hemmings.com/index.cfm >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From brock at netspeed.com.au Fri Nov 26 21:14:53 2004 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:14:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The Eagle Has Landed References: <1c0.20e3eb05.2ed200bb@aol.com> <000c01c4d3ab$c22c0670$a5c5ecdc@morris> Message-ID: <003001c4d440$09e6e9a0$5f11fea9@merlin> Good to see the engine is fiinaly here mate it will good to see it run maybe you could have a new years day fire up ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 10:33 PM Subject: [SEL] The Eagle Has Landed > G'Day all > > Delayed news because of a hard drive failure, but now back to normal. > > Two stories in one, as some of you know I bought a large piece of American > iron back in April it now has arrived in OZ. > > First story, > Is the unbelievable effort Keith Kinney put into finding the engine in WV, > going to get it and taking in back to Evansville IN before he and his dad > did a fantastic job of crating it and then taking the load to Chicago for > shipment to Australia. I will never be able to thank Keith enough for all > the effort he put into this project to ensure it worked out the way it > did. > Once again engine people have proved they are the greatest group in the > world and I proud to be part of it. > > Second story, > Not an engine every body wants, but they took my eye when I was in the > States in 2001. There are none in OZ and as.it weighs in over two tons it > should be an attraction when it hits the rally field here. > if your would like to see it > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Reid.html > > Kerry > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow N.S.W OZ > > Friends in Engine > > Web: http://members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From brianne at ultratune.com.au Sat Nov 27 00:53:32 2004 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:53:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hervey Bay Museum (QLD) Australia Message-ID: <005701c4d45e$93ab54f0$6d55dccb@pcuser> Hi Guys The IH 3m is almost ready to start. Thanks for all the help on the way. I have put up a web page for the Museum (Space courtesy of museums.com in Germany) You may find some of the pictures of interest. Not fully completed yet. Need more time. Where does all the time go when you retire??? I would never have time to go to work now, too busy. Isn't life wonderful? Having our Xmas party on Sunday. Yee Haa! Brian (Hervey bay Historical Society Museum) From brianne at ultratune.com.au Sat Nov 27 00:55:54 2004 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:55:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Senior moment.... Message-ID: <006201c4d45e$e7f53e40$6d55dccb@pcuser> Senior moment.... It would help a lot if I gave you the address of the Hervey Bay Museum web site, would it not? http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html Thanks.... Brian From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Sat Nov 27 04:04:23 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:04:23 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re:The Eagle has landed Message-ID: <20041127120423.44902.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com> G'day Kerry Nice...a very desirable, oddball looking engine, the Reid. Will be great to see running, your pics show it all well. The Kinneys deserve a cold (OZ) beer for doing a fine crating job! Let me see...a later email from you is trying to contact Gilbo's old man, so that means you could be in the market for a quality Reid fuel tank or a Reid cooling tank, and if that's the case then you must be in a hurry...and the National rally is coming up soon...and wait a minute...you ain't planning to take it to Naracoorte are ya? Gee...duh...I'm rool smart I am, yup. Now get out to that shed and stop reading emails! Cheers Graham in Melb. Message: 1 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:33:31 +1100 From: "Kerry" Subject: [SEL] The Eagle Has Landed To: "The SEL email discussion list" G'Day all Delayed news because of a hard drive failure, but now back to normal. Two stories in one, as some of you know I bought a large piece of American iron back in April it now has arrived in OZ. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Nov 27 07:15:47 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:15:47 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Is this the way to be a salesman? Message-ID: <004501c4d493$fa2fbc90$8c9f0952@no1> See http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2030&item=4506535663 I don't think you could sell an engine this way. 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From oursecretgarden at interlinc.net Sat Nov 27 07:21:41 2004 From: oursecretgarden at interlinc.net (OUR SECRET GARDEN BED & BREAKFAST) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 09:21:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] ABRASIVE BLASTER Message-ID: <010a01c4d494$cc594fb0$8a64a00c@S0029387856> A reply to Jeff Allen about a portable abrasive blaster. I purchased a 20 gal. complete blaster from a local Harbor freight store (www.harborfreight.com) item # 40925. I also purchased a new air compressor model H4519 from a local Grizzly industrial store (www.grizzly.com) This is a 3hp 220 volt unit. It will produce 9.1 cfm @ 90 psi. (the blaster uses 6-25 cfm) The problem with the compressor is that it is supplied with a 1/4" quick disconnect fitting. To get the 9 cfm you will need 1/2" supply line. I had a buddy weld a 1/2" nipple on the bell end of the tank, a union on 10 ft. of 1/2" air line connects to the blaster, here I added a 1/2" air pressure regulator to control the blaster pressure. I purchased a 80# bag of fine blasting sand ($4.50) from a local lumber yard. (they have coarse,fine and extra fine). I used a painter drop cloth as a back drop,clamped to a partly open garage door to reclaim the spent sand. Hope this info will help. This system works fine for me, blasted my rusty engine and am now painting. Verne From rexhinz at chorus.net Sat Nov 27 09:29:07 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:29:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Is this the way to be a salesman? References: <004501c4d493$fa2fbc90$8c9f0952@no1> Message-ID: <001901c4d4a6$a17cb220$0686a5d8@mycomputer> Thanks Dave ; He gave a very good discription . at least you know what your bidding on , thanks for showing us a good laugh Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 9:15 AM Subject: [SEL] Is this the way to be a salesman? > See > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2030&item=4506535663 > I don't think you could sell an engine this way. 8^) > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Nov 26 16:47:15 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:47:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: A Bit Of Christmas Cheer On My New Axe Message-ID: Just posted this: http://guitarchat.net/modules/jinzora/Media_player/Ricochet/ JoyToTheP90s.mp3 It's a demo of my new Agile AS-820 semihollowbody with P-90 pickups. It's "Joy To The World," 3 essentially identical verses, the first played on the neck pickup, the second on the parallel combination, and the third on the bridge. Amp is my Electar Tube 10 with Jensen Mod speaker. Guitar volume and tone knobs were all set at maximum, the amp gain and volume both down to 3 1/2, bass, midrange and treble knobs all maxed. Maybe not the ideal combination, but a standard of comparison. The guitar's still got its original GHS .009-.046" strings on it, tuned in Open E, played with a combination of fretting and a green glass wine bottle neck slide. In a living room with 2 china cabinets, dozens of Christmas nutcrackers and similar stuff to rattle and buzz, neighbors mowing lawns, shooting Estes rockets, and my son in the basement playing Halo Extreme online and yelling at his opponents. (No joke!) Recorded with Audacity on my old 500 MHz G3 iMac with an Apple PlainTalk mic. 'Tis the season. The mall wars began in earnest today. ;-) John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Nov 27 11:23:13 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 14:23:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Is this the way to be a salesman? In-Reply-To: <004501c4d493$fa2fbc90$8c9f0952@no1> References: <004501c4d493$fa2fbc90$8c9f0952@no1> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041127142232.022cf450@mail.alltel.net> At 10:15 AM 11/27/2004, you wrote: >See >http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2030&item=4506535663 >I don't think you could sell an engine this way. 8^) >Dave Croft Might be right up Tommy's alley--until the right 40 Chevy turns up! Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Nov 27 15:56:03 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:56:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Eagle Has Landed In-Reply-To: <000c01c4d3ab$c22c0670$a5c5ecdc@morris> References: <1c0.20e3eb05.2ed200bb@aol.com> <000c01c4d3ab$c22c0670$a5c5ecdc@morris> Message-ID: <1101599763.41a9141368084@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Kerry, Pretty amazing story! A Reid in Oz, a Tillinghast in England, a Bessemer in Japan.... What IS IT with oilfield engines anyway? 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting Kerry : > Is the unbelievable effort Keith Kinney put into finding the engine in WV, > going to get it and taking in back to Evansville IN before he and his dad > did a fantastic job of crating it and then taking the load to Chicago for > shipment to Australia. I will never be able to thank Keith enough for all > the effort he put into this project to ensure it worked out the way it did. > Once again engine people have proved they are the greatest group in the > world and I proud to be part of it. From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Nov 27 16:07:21 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:07:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Small show Nov. 20 Message-ID: <20041127.160721.1384.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Saturday November 20 my club WAPA (Western Antique Power Associates) put on a small show in Etiwanda CA. This was for the yearly open house of the Chaffee-Garcia House, a home for some of the early settlers of the area. Just seven members displayed, but we had a nice time and the weather was good. Pictures at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31508644&f=0 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Nov 27 16:42:50 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:42:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Small show Nov. 20 In-Reply-To: <20041127.160721.1384.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20041127.160721.1384.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041127193638.023a1c58@mail.alltel.net> At 07:07 PM 11/27/2004, you wrote: >Hi all. >Saturday November 20 my club WAPA (Western Antique Power Associates) put >on a small show in Etiwanda CA. This was for the yearly open house of >the Chaffee-Garcia House, a home for some of the early settlers of the >area. Just seven members displayed, but we had a nice time and the >weather was good. >Pictures at: >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31508644&f=0 >Ron Haskell My doG, I know a FOXY chick who lives in KA whose last name is Garcia! Could there be any connection? Dave PS, GREAT pictures! THANKS! PPS, Has anyone ever told you that the name of your club (WAPA) is insulting to those of Italian background? From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Nov 27 16:42:55 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:42:55 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New Toy Message-ID: <20041127.164256.1384.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I picked up a new engine Friday. Large Economy, possibly 7hp. 5?" bore and 10" stroke. Runs like a top. The ignitor and mag have been replaced by a spark plug and coil activated by a micro switch. pictures can be seen at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31146541&f=0 The last five pictures. Any information as to HP. and possible years of production would be appreciated. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 27 17:08:16 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:08:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Small show Nov. 20 References: <20041127.160721.1384.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <00bb01c4d4e6$c097d8c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Thanks Ron, great pictures and I enjoyed looking at them very much. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 6:07 PM Subject: [SEL] Small show Nov. 20 > Hi all. > Saturday November 20 my club WAPA (Western Antique Power Associates) put > on a small show in Etiwanda CA. This was for the yearly open house of > the Chaffee-Garcia House, a home for some of the early settlers of the > From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Nov 27 17:34:18 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 20:34:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Toy In-Reply-To: <20041127.164256.1384.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20041127.164256.1384.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041127202804.023bbd20@mail.alltel.net> According to Karch, 5 3/4 X 9 would be a 7 HP. 6 1/2 X 11 would be 9 HP. (Get a new measuring stick and try again.) Looks like 1917-1919 to Me! Dave PS, $400.00/$450.00 should get you the Webster mag and the ignitor in order to put it back to original. At 07:42 PM 11/27/2004, you wrote: >Hi all. I picked up a new engine Friday. Large Economy, possibly 7hp. >5?" bore and 10" stroke. Runs like a top. The ignitor and mag have been >replaced by a spark plug and coil activated by a micro switch. pictures >can be seen at: >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31146541&f=0 >The last five pictures. > >Any information as to HP. and possible years of production would be >appreciated. Thanks. > >Ron Haskell From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Nov 27 18:08:40 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:08:40 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New Toy Message-ID: <20041127.180840.1384.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Dave. Upon further review, the stroke is 9". We thought it was a 7 hp. I had no clue as to the age, 1917-1919 is a pleasant surprise. It is really a sweet runner. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 20:34:18 -0500 Dave Rotigel writes: > According to Karch, 5 3/4 X 9 would be a 7 HP. 6 1/2 X 11 would be 9 > HP. > (Get a new measuring stick and try again.) Looks like 1917-1919 to > Me! > Dave > PS, $400.00/$450.00 should get you the Webster mag and the ignitor > in order > to put it back to original. From old_iron at msn.com Sat Nov 27 20:52:23 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:52:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Senior moment/or CRS In-Reply-To: <006201c4d45e$e7f53e40$6d55dccb@pcuser> Message-ID: No Brian around our house this would be called CRS or (can't remember sh_ _). Peg Pfeiffer >From: "Brian Taylor" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] Senior moment.... >Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:55:54 +1000 > >Senior moment.... >It would help a lot if I gave you the address of the Hervey Bay Museum web >site, would it not? >http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html >Thanks.... >Brian >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From segray at mlode.com Sat Nov 27 22:06:50 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:06:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mini flat belt sources Message-ID: <41A96AFA.2000706@mlode.com> Hi All - I put this question to the TheOldIronCOLLECTIVE yahoo group awhile back and thought I'd throw it out here for some comments. I'm finalizing the Mery display and could use a small flat belt for an idea I'm toying with. Ideally, it would be 30-36" long and 3/4-1" wide. Keeping it thin, similar to those used in vacuums cleaners, would be good for the small diameter pulley (1") that may be incorporated into this, and also would be less drag on the small engine. I would think rubber would be preferable in this application. Speed is of no concern here. McMaster-Carr has a few that might work, but I'm not exactly a fan of the colors available; green, yellow, OSHA orange, etc. (whatever happened to good ol' black??). I'd be leery of even the "flexible" vinyl paints eventually coming off a painted belt. As with the colored belts, serpentine belts were considered but passed by. After the work put into this thing, I guess I'm being more purist than usual! Any ideas as to sources? Thanks in advance! - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Nov 27 09:52:11 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:52:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: A Bit Of Christmas Cheer On My New Axe Message-ID: <1052E7B4-409D-11D9-A232-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Just posted this: http://guitarchat.net/modules/jinzora/Media_player/Ricochet/ JoyToTheP90s.mp3 It's a demo of my new Agile AS-820 semihollowbody with P-90 pickups. It's "Joy To The World," 3 essentially identical verses, the first played on the neck pickup, the second on the parallel combination, and the third on the bridge. Amp is my Electar Tube 10 with Jensen Mod speaker. Guitar volume and tone knobs were all set at maximum, the amp gain and volume both down to 3 1/2, bass, midrange and treble knobs all maxed. Maybe not the ideal combination, but a standard of comparison. The guitar's still got its original GHS .009-.046" strings on it, tuned in Open E, played with a combination of fretting and a green glass wine bottle neck slide. In a living room with 2 china cabinets, dozens of Christmas nutcrackers and similar stuff to rattle and buzz, neighbors mowing lawns, shooting Estes rockets, and my son in the basement playing Halo Extreme online and yelling at his opponents. (No joke!) Recorded with Audacity on my old 500 MHz G3 iMac with an Apple PlainTalk mic. 'Tis the season. The mall wars began in earnest today. ;-) John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Nov 27 12:13:53 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:13:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: A Bit Of Christmas Cheer On My New Axe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm told that link may not always go through. Try this alternate one: http://oldengine.org/members/culp/JoyToTheP90s.MP3 On Nov 26, 2004, at 7:47 PM, John Culp wrote: > Just posted this: > http://guitarchat.net/modules/jinzora/Media_player/Ricochet/ > JoyToTheP90s.mp3 John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sun Nov 28 02:39:20 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:39:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The Eagle Has Landed References: <1c0.20e3eb05.2ed200bb@aol.com><000c01c4d3ab$c22c0670$a5c5ecdc@morris> <1101599763.41a9141368084@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <012e01c4d536$84d02400$a5c5ecdc@morris> G'Day Arnie The amazing part is we got it out with out Chuck (original) knowing, is he getting slower or what 8-)) Kerry > G'day Kerry, > > Pretty amazing story! A Reid in Oz, a Tillinghast in England, a Bessemer > in > Japan.... What IS IT with oilfield engines anyway? 8-)) > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sun Nov 28 02:50:31 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:50:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The Eagle Has Landed References: <1c0.20e3eb05.2ed200bb@aol.com><000c01c4d3ab$c22c0670$a5c5ecdc@morris><1101599763.41a9141368084@webmail.city-net.com> <012e01c4d536$84d02400$a5c5ecdc@morris> Message-ID: <014101c4d538$14ce8460$a5c5ecdc@morris> Sorry forgot to add to all the OZ people that have asked off list if I have a new shed and shifted, no its the daughters place (6 acres only 7 mins away) we built 5 bays and I own 2, so now I can move in my shed at home and Ruth is happy with SOME of the iron shifted. kerry From alanb2 at webtv.net Sat Nov 27 20:22:25 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:22:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Small show Nov. 20 In-Reply-To: 's message of Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:08:16 -0600 Message-ID: <20790-41A95281-619@storefull-3277.bay.webtv.net> Hi Ron, Is this really a small rock crusher? http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=31508644&p=70158030 The only one I have seen in person is the one at Buckley. Ya could drop that one in ours engine and all. 8>)) A small one like that sure would be a lot of fun to show. I really appreciate the effort you and many others put into all the pictures. I need to ask Jim for sone web space and try my hand with the puter in the other room. Thanks, Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From Todengine at aol.com Sun Nov 28 05:08:13 2004 From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 08:08:13 EST Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? Message-ID: Before I scrapped my Chevy pickup I pulled the 350 engine out of it. I've been thinking of coupling it up to a 20 hp DC motor that I have laying around here and creating a generator. The one problem that I can't figure out is how to regulate the speed of the engine to a constant RPM. Anyone have any experience or knowlege of how to govern a car engine? Are there any companies that make a governor mechanism, or am I going to have to cobble something together? Any insights? Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH www.todengine.org From prepair at easynet.co.uk Sun Nov 28 05:35:18 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 13:35:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2lkjq0hntmvf2s32k483dchjojtk4cns3l@4ax.com> On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 08:08:13 EST, you wrote: >Before I scrapped my Chevy pickup I pulled the 350 engine out of it. I've >been thinking of coupling it up to a 20 hp DC motor that I have laying around >here and creating a generator. The one problem that I can't figure out is how >to regulate the speed of the engine to a constant RPM. Anyone have any >experience or knowlege of how to govern a car engine? Are there any companies that >make a governor mechanism, or am I going to have to cobble something together? > >Any insights? > >Rick Rowlands Hi Rick: You have a number of options: 1) Fit a mechanical governor to the engine 2) Fit an electronic governor to the engine. Mechanical governors are quite widespread and can often be found on ebay. They will need adapting to the engine, but for most applications they work quite well, and were probably the standard fit on all petrol stationary engines that were used for generating purposes. Electronic governors are much easier to adapt, but you have to have an electronic pickup on bellhousing that senses the ring gear teeth passing its nose, so you have speed feedback. Most are 12V or 24V so no problem there, and you'll need a bracket to site it near to the carb so you can do a mechanical link-up to the throttle. I've used both, VW have a neat little governor on the industrial VW flat four which might be worth a look. Of the electronic units, Woodward, American Bosch and Barber-Colman are the most popular. All-electric types are best generally, but Woodward used to have a 4301 model that used oil pressure in the engine as an actuating medium and the electronics did the controlling part. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From Todengine at aol.com Sun Nov 28 05:40:13 2004 From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 08:40:13 EST Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? Message-ID: <15b.451133ef.2edb2f3d@aol.com> Hmm I haven't thought about cruise control. I have never owned any older vehicles with cruise so I don't have much knowlege of them. I just wonder how close the speed regulation would be, but on a 230 VDC power system even a short term 10% power variation should be ok. I'll check it out. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH www.todengine.org From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Nov 28 06:52:53 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 07:52:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic References: <20041126.122428.1280.4.jlb94@juno.com> <41A76D85.5050909@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Hi Tommy; Got a '39... ton and a half dually stake body, but it is VERY tired. You might try www.stovebolt.com not to be confused with starbolt. Good Luck RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic > Joe, > I have seen those at some of the local stores and have, on occasion, > looked at them to see what some of old vehicles are in them. Ususally > most of the vehicles are in the 10 - 20 year old range and I haven't > haven't seen any '39 or '40 PU in them. But, I should pay more > attention to them as if one is listed in them, it would probalby be a > much better bargain than what I would find in one of the classic / > antique vehicle trader publications. Thanks for the tip and I'll give > them a view. > > TT > > > > jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > > >Hi Tommy, > > > >Around here (Pittsburgh, PA) we have a local magazine called "trader". > > > >Truck Trader - Car Trader - Antique Car Trader - Etc. > > > >It's available at the local convenience stores - FREE. and most of the > >cars are local. > > > >See if you have them around you. > >= = = = = = = = = > > = > > > >I would be leery of e-bay also, but I have a buddy that has bought a > >couple cars from e-bay and he is well satisfied. > > > >Right now he is/was looking at a Green Chevy Caprice- I think '68. Last > >I looked > >it was around $8,000 (Reserve Not Met) and it is a very nice looking car. > > > > > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > >jlb94 at juno.com > > ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > > \/)"(\/ when He was tired." > > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Nov 28 07:00:25 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 10:00:25 EST Subject: [SEL] Senior moment.... Message-ID: In a message dated 11/27/2004 3:57:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, brianne at ultratune.com.au writes: << http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html >> Brian, Thanks for the museum pictures. Why were the choppers called "beet choppers"? Were beets a major staple at one time? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From wrl at gwltd.com Sun Nov 28 07:10:40 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 09:10:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? References: Message-ID: <002301c4d55c$6d34c960$0800005a@laptop> Cruse control, which is really a gov. But you would have to cobble. Seems to me that running a big V8 to run a small generator is going to be very costly in fuel. Your going to have three times to much engine. J. Dave Mayfield www.w9wrl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 7:08 AM Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > Before I scrapped my Chevy pickup I pulled the 350 engine out of it. I've > been thinking of coupling it up to a 20 hp DC motor that I have laying around > here and creating a generator. The one problem that I can't figure out is how > to regulate the speed of the engine to a constant RPM. Anyone have any > experience or knowlege of how to govern a car engine? Are there any companies that > make a governor mechanism, or am I going to have to cobble something together? > > Any insights? > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > www.todengine.org > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Nov 28 07:50:26 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 10:50:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mini flat belt sources Message-ID: <20041128.112139.760.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Steve, Why not use Lee Pedersen for your belts ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Sun Nov 28 08:29:13 2004 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 08:29:13 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Small show Nov. 20 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041127193638.023a1c58@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Probably not Dave. Garcia over here on the left coast is as common as Smith on the right coast -- Kelley Garcia La Habra, Ka. USA PS it's WAPA, not WOPA..... On 11/27/04 4:42 PM, "Dave Rotigel" wrote: > At 07:07 PM 11/27/2004, you wrote: >> Hi all. >> Saturday November 20 my club WAPA (Western Antique Power Associates) put >> on a small show in Etiwanda CA. This was for the yearly open house of >> the Chaffee-Garcia House, a home for some of the early settlers of the >> area. Just seven members displayed, but we had a nice time and the >> weather was good. >> Pictures at: >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31508644&f=0 >> Ron Haskell > > My doG, I know a FOXY chick who lives in KA whose last name is Garcia! > Could there be any connection? > Dave > PS, GREAT pictures! THANKS! > PPS, Has anyone ever told you that the name of your club (WAPA) is > insulting to those of Italian background? > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Nov 28 09:23:04 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 09:23:04 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Small show Nov. 20 Message-ID: <20041128.092305.1472.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Alan. Just the yellow section is the jaw crusher. If you want I can send some better shots. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:22:25 -0500 alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) writes: > Hi Ron, > > Is this really a small rock crusher? > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=31508644&p=70158030 > > > The only one I have seen in person is the one at Buckley. Ya could > drop > that one in ours engine and all. 8>)) > > A small one like that sure would be a lot of fun to show. > > I really appreciate the effort you and many others put into all the > pictures. I need to ask Jim for sone web space and try my hand > with > the puter in the other room. > > Thanks, > > Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net > Williamsburg, Michigan From falcon at telenet.net Sun Nov 28 09:28:48 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:28:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? References: <15b.451133ef.2edb2f3d@aol.com> Message-ID: <005301c4d56f$b9371ee0$071117d1@net.telenet.net> The newer cruise controls can be adjusted as far as how sensitive they are. Since they pick up the signal off the distributor they are faster acting than the old ones. Most also have tap up-down so you can adjust them in fine steps. About the only problem you might have is that many of them don't work well a lower RPM. Mainly because of the fact that there is little rotating mass (that could be corrected by adding a heavy flywheel in the drivetrain) they hunt for the correct rpm. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > Hmm I haven't thought about cruise control. I have never owned any older > vehicles with cruise so I don't have much knowlege of them. I just wonder how > close the speed regulation would be, but on a 230 VDC power system even a short > term 10% power variation should be ok. I'll check it out. > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > www.todengine.org > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Sun Nov 28 10:25:28 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:25:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? In-Reply-To: <005301c4d56f$b9371ee0$071117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <003e01c4d577$a49f8a00$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Many older straight trucks had a governor that worked on the carb. What a pain in the butt those were. I worked on many a V8 with a governor on them. Pretty much all of them were on heavy duty straight trucks, boom trucks, etc. I used to work on power company trucks and delivery trucks, farm and coop trucks, etc. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W. Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 11:29 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? The newer cruise controls can be adjusted as far as how sensitive they are. Since they pick up the signal off the distributor they are faster acting than the old ones. Most also have tap up-down so you can adjust them in fine steps. About the only problem you might have is that many of them don't work well a lower RPM. Mainly because of the fact that there is little rotating mass (that could be corrected by adding a heavy flywheel in the drivetrain) they hunt for the correct rpm. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > Hmm I haven't thought about cruise control. I have never owned any older > vehicles with cruise so I don't have much knowlege of them. I just wonder how > close the speed regulation would be, but on a 230 VDC power system even a short > term 10% power variation should be ok. I'll check it out. > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH > www.todengine.org > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Sun Nov 28 08:11:11 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:11:11 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? Message-ID: <3khdfd$dq2o7l@mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net> Cruise control is not suitable for use as a governor, it's designed for slow speed changes with the momentum of the car keeping things smooth. If you jack a car up and engage the cruise you'll get full acceleration and deceleration swings. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose,LA From rwenig at cable-lynx.net Sun Nov 28 11:29:28 2004 From: rwenig at cable-lynx.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:29:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mini flat belt sources In-Reply-To: <41A96AFA.2000706@mlode.com> References: <41A96AFA.2000706@mlode.com> Message-ID: <41AA2718.8010505@cable-lynx.net> Hello Steve, You should be able to obtain leather of suitable thickness from a shoe maker to make a belt if you don't have any luck finding a ready made one. The ends can be joined using a leather lace or wire belt hooks. For info, the small South Bend lathes used a leather belt like the above. I can send you a scan of the lacing instructions from the South Bend manual if you would like it. Rupert Steve Gray wrote: > Hi All - > > I put this question to the TheOldIronCOLLECTIVE yahoo group awhile back > and thought I'd throw it out here for some comments. I'm finalizing the > Mery display and could use a small flat belt for an idea I'm toying > with. Ideally, it would be 30-36" long and 3/4-1" wide. Keeping it thin, > similar to those used in vacuums cleaners, would be good for the small > diameter pulley (1") that may be incorporated into this, and also would > be less drag on the small engine. I would think rubber would be > preferable in this application. Speed is of no concern here. > McMaster-Carr has a few that might work, but I'm not exactly a fan of > the colors available; green, yellow, OSHA orange, etc. (whatever > happened to good ol' black??). I'd be leery of even the "flexible" > vinyl paints eventually coming off a painted belt. As with the colored > belts, serpentine belts were considered but passed by. After the work > put into this thing, I guess I'm being more purist than usual! Any ideas > as to sources? Thanks in advance! > > - Steve > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. mailto://rwenig at cable-lynx.net http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/index.html From rwenig at cable-lynx.net Sun Nov 28 11:35:48 2004 From: rwenig at cable-lynx.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:35:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Small show Nov. 20 In-Reply-To: <20041128.092305.1472.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20041128.092305.1472.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <41AA2894.7020805@cable-lynx.net> Hello Ron, I would like to see views form each side and the top if your going to send out more pictures of the rock crusher. Rupert rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi Alan. > Just the yellow section is the jaw crusher. If you want I can send some > better shots. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. mailto://rwenig at cable-lynx.net http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/index.html From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Nov 28 12:10:27 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 15:10:27 EST Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help Message-ID: <154.452e5151.2edb8ab3@aol.com> I need some list help to unclog a pipe in a gas tank. See picture to better understand. http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/iron%20heater.jpg I am working on the gas heater for the soldering irons. The tank was full of dried junk and finally go it all out by shaking rocks inside for quite some time. However, the discharge pipe in also clogged. I have removed the cut off valve (to the right of tank). The pipe is welded to the tank and is radiused inside down to the bottom of the tank. Thankfully this was done rather than a right angle as it makes it easier to push something down it. I have tried forcing air, and a number of wires, braided wire on the end of a drill, etc., all to no avail. The pipe must be full of dried junk. I now have it standing upright with carb cleaner soaking in the pipe. Maybe I need to contact Mr. Roto-Roter! Does anyone have any ideas how to unclog the pipe? It is 1/4 inch steel. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Nov 28 12:25:54 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:25:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help In-Reply-To: <154.452e5151.2edb8ab3@aol.com> Message-ID: <200411282025.iASKPxu3016766@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Tom, I have used a section of speedometer cable in a drill with good luck. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 12:10 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help I need some list help to unclog a pipe in a gas tank. See picture to better understand. http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/iron%20heater.jpg I am working on the gas heater for the soldering irons. The tank was full of dried junk and finally go it all out by shaking rocks inside for quite some time. However, the discharge pipe in also clogged. I have removed the cut off valve (to the right of tank). The pipe is welded to the tank and is radiused inside down to the bottom of the tank. Thankfully this was done rather than a right angle as it makes it easier to push something down it. I have tried forcing air, and a number of wires, braided wire on the end of a drill, etc., all to no avail. The pipe must be full of dried junk. I now have it standing upright with carb cleaner soaking in the pipe. Maybe I need to contact Mr. Roto-Roter! Does anyone have any ideas how to unclog the pipe? It is 1/4 inch steel. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Todengine at aol.com Sun Nov 28 12:31:46 2004 From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 15:31:46 EST Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? Message-ID: Dave, I don't think the V8 would be too big, the motor I plan on using as a generator weighs about three times that of the engine. Its a big 20 or 25 hp DC motor, and depending upon the load placed on the generator the V8 might be perfect. My aim is to produce 230 DC to run a 20 ton overhead crane and possibly some other DC machines I have around here. As many people who know me can attest, my projects are seldom small. This current project that I have is to power the DC motor on an overhead crane in the Tod Engine restoration shop. There is no 220 AC power in the building to rectify to DC, so I thought an alternative would be to build a gas powered generator. I have the gas engine and motor already. I could probably forego the governor idea altogether and just go to a Ward Leonard system for speed control, however that means varying the engine throttle instead of operating the controller to change speed, but that might not be so bad of an idea since we would have to rig up bank of resistors to a barrel controller anyways. A friend has an old Cole truck crane that is all DC powered and a flat head V8 direct coupled to a generator. BTW what is the RPM range of this 350 engine anyway? From idle to red line? Anyone know? Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH www.todengine.org From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sun Nov 28 13:05:44 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:05:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Good engine day Message-ID: <009d01c4d58e$067527b0$3775833e@harryp1811> Yesterday we had a good engine day. After some trial and error trying to get the Vertical air-cooled IHC Famous going without snottering from the carburettor, we changed over to propane. This too needed quite some fine tuning. It was very hard to start, and after lots af headscratching we tried another sparkplug, and it's startning with only one pull through compression..... Seems we always were looking at the wrong end to find the problem. Anyway this mornig we started it up at around 9.45am, and it has been running flawless up until 4.15pm. The engine will stay on propane!! We also worked on our vertical Japy. We orederd new piston rings for it, and this morning we put them on the piston and put the (headless) cylinder back on the engine. It all turns over very nicely. I know we're still far from having it running. (the magneto needs to have the coil rewind) but it was much fun putting it back together. Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Nov 28 13:38:43 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 13:38:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200411282138.iASLclGk047249@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Rick, That old TIRED 350 will "Hand grenade " at about 5k! I'd pay to watch, JimmyO"Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Todengine at aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 12:32 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? Dave, I don't think the V8 would be too big, the motor I plan on using as a generator weighs about three times that of the engine. Its a big 20 or 25 hp DC motor, and depending upon the load placed on the generator the V8 might be perfect. My aim is to produce 230 DC to run a 20 ton overhead crane and possibly some other DC machines I have around here. As many people who know me can attest, my projects are seldom small. This current project that I have is to power the DC motor on an overhead crane in the Tod Engine restoration shop. There is no 220 AC power in the building to rectify to DC, so I thought an alternative would be to build a gas powered generator. I have the gas engine and motor already. I could probably forego the governor idea altogether and just go to a Ward Leonard system for speed control, however that means varying the engine throttle instead of operating the controller to change speed, but that might not be so bad of an idea since we would have to rig up bank of resistors to a barrel controller anyways. A friend has an old Cole truck crane that is all DC powered and a flat head V8 direct coupled to a generator. BTW what is the RPM range of this 350 engine anyway? From idle to red line? Anyone know? Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH www.todengine.org _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sun Nov 28 13:40:34 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:40:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Good engine day References: <009d01c4d58e$067527b0$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <001701c4d592$e47ff8b0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Harry, That's good news to hear you overwon the troubles you had. Don't know what sparkplug you used, but would suggest a D21 from Champion these are best for propane firering is my experience. C-ya, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > Yesterday we had a good engine day. > After some trial and error trying to get the Vertical air-cooled IHC Famous > going without snottering from the carburettor, we changed over to propane. > This too needed quite some fine tuning. > It was very hard to start, and after lots af headscratching we tried another > sparkplug, and it's startning with only one pull through compression..... > Seems we always were looking at the wrong end to find the problem. > > Anyway this mornig we started it up at around 9.45am, and it has been > running flawless up until 4.15pm. > The engine will stay on propane!! > > We also worked on our vertical Japy. We orederd new piston rings for it, and > this morning we put them on the piston and put the (headless) cylinder back > on the engine. It all turns over very nicely. I know we're still far from > having it running. (the magneto needs to have the coil rewind) but it was > much fun putting it back together. > > > > > Harry Terpstra > Sint Annaparochie > Netherlands > h.terpstra at wxs.nl > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Nov 28 13:55:40 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 13:55:40 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Rock crusher Message-ID: <20041128.135540.1472.6.rdhaskell@juno.com> To Alan and the others who asked for more information on the rock crusher, I put up some pictures at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31510198&f=0 If you need more just ask. This was made from plate material by a machinist friend who didn't want his name known for liability reasons. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From glenn.karch at gte.net Sun Nov 28 14:48:52 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:48:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? References: <200411282138.iASLclGk047249@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <002701c4d59c$715496c0$7429ea41@oemcomputer> Rick, The old Massey Ferguson 510 combines had a Chevy 350 in them with a belt driven governor and a rod going to the carb throttle shaft. As I recall, it was driven from a pulley on the crank shaft. They seemed to work well and were easily adjusted. You must use 10 weight oil in them. Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Todengine at aol.com Sun Nov 28 15:27:51 2004 From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:27:51 EST Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? Message-ID: OK you can watch but I'll hide behind that big rock over there! I think I need about 1200 rpm to get the voltage I want out of the generator. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH www.todengine.org From edstoller at earthlink.net Sun Nov 28 16:36:10 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:36:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT1 References: <20041118.001131.1020.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <000201c4d5ae$4001c4a0$59f5f504@x8h7l9> Thank you Joe, I will make an oil slinger. I think the bearing will get more oil if I leave the felt out. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover CT1 > Hi Ed, > > Actually - NO - I wouldn't have a pic of the oil slinger - but - I made a > new one for my Stover as the one in there seemed too little to do > anything. > > I made mine to fit on the lower rod cap bolt - the same width as the cap > and tapered it to a blunt point as it extends into the oil. > > Total length is about an inch & a quarter (1?" ) with only about three > quarter of an inch > extending toward the oil or bottom of the engine. > > It was also curved forward. Sort of like a bent finger or very similar to > a finger pick used in guitar playing. Not a real sharp bend, just sort of > curved forward. > = = = > As for the wad of felt in the bearing caps - - - I was tempted to take > mine out - then decided not to as that might allow the bearing to go dry > too fast or allow the bearings to leak. Felt stays wet with oil and > lubricates the crank. I don't think they should be too tight but should > be snug enough to stay in. > > I sort of felt the tiny slinger I had may have prevented my trip rod from > getting enough oil and causing it to stick. > > Hope this helps. > Feel free to ask any questions as you make that slinger. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > \/)"(\/ when He was tired." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Nov 28 17:26:10 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:26:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? References: <200411282138.iASLclGk047249@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <004601c4d5b2$68b95d50$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Never happen Jimmy. Valves float and it just tries to blow up. Speaking from experience here, and damn, I did try. Jeff Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 2:38 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > Rick, That old TIRED 350 will "Hand grenade " at about 5k! I'd pay to > watch, JimmyO"Hagan > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Todengine at aol.com > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 12:32 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > > Dave, > I don't think the V8 would be too big, the motor I plan on using as a > generator weighs about three times that of the engine. Its a big 20 or 25 > hp DC > motor, and depending upon the load placed on the generator the V8 might be > perfect. My aim is to produce 230 DC to run a 20 ton overhead crane and > possibly some > other DC machines I have around here. > > As many people who know me can attest, my projects are seldom small. This > current project that I have is to power the DC motor on an overhead crane > in > the > Tod Engine restoration shop. There is no 220 AC power in the building to > rectify to DC, so I thought an alternative would be to build a gas powered > generator. I have the gas engine and motor already. I could probably > forego > the > governor idea altogether and just go to a Ward Leonard system for speed > control, > however that means varying the engine throttle instead of operating the > controller to change speed, but that might not be so bad of an idea since > we > would > have to rig up bank of resistors to a barrel controller anyways. A friend > has > an old Cole truck crane that is all DC powered and a flat head V8 direct > coupled to a generator. > > BTW what is the RPM range of this 350 engine anyway? From idle to red > line? > > Anyone know? > > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > www.todengine.org > _______________________________________________ From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Nov 28 17:30:11 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:30:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Rock crusher References: <20041128.135540.1472.6.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <004b01c4d5b2$f8daf290$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Ron, Thanks for the "small show" pictures and the added rock crusher pictures. Rock crusher looked real popular. Jeff Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 2:55 PM Subject: [SEL] Rock crusher > To Alan and the others who asked for more information on the rock > crusher, I put up some pictures at: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31510198&f=0 > If you need more just ask. This was made from plate material by a > machinist friend who didn't want his name known for liability reasons. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From f86sabre at kcweb.net Sun Nov 28 17:21:36 2004 From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (F86SABRE) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:21:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mini flat belt sources References: <41A96AFA.2000706@mlode.com> Message-ID: <000c01c4d5b1$c76fff30$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> Again, there is an answer on the website of the Florida Association of Model Engineers. It is Bob Shore's Tip #10 under Tips & Links, Engine Building tips. Dan Bousman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 12:06 AM Subject: [SEL] Mini flat belt sources > Hi All - > > I put this question to the TheOldIronCOLLECTIVE yahoo group awhile back > and thought I'd throw it out here for some comments. I'm finalizing the > Mery display and could use a small flat belt for an idea I'm toying with. > Ideally, it would be 30-36" long and 3/4-1" wide. Keeping it thin, similar > to those used in vacuums cleaners, would be good for the small diameter > pulley (1") that may be incorporated into this, and also would be less > drag on the small engine. I would think rubber would be preferable in this > application. Speed is of no concern here. McMaster-Carr has a few that > might work, but I'm not exactly a fan of the colors available; green, > yellow, OSHA orange, etc. (whatever happened to good ol' black??). I'd be > leery of even the "flexible" vinyl paints eventually coming off a painted > belt. As with the colored belts, serpentine belts were considered but > passed by. After the work put into this thing, I guess I'm being more > purist than usual! Any ideas as to sources? Thanks in advance! > > - Steve > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From wrl at gwltd.com Sun Nov 28 17:55:57 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:55:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? References: Message-ID: <002e01c4d5b6$92bf6f00$0800005a@laptop> Sounds interesting, I had envisioned a smaller generator. As big as you say the v-8 may be a good engine to use. Good luck. J. Dave Mayfield www.w9wrl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > Dave, > I don't think the V8 would be too big, the motor I plan on using as a > generator weighs about three times that of the engine. Its a big 20 or 25 hp DC > motor, and depending upon the load placed on the generator the V8 might be > perfect. My aim is to produce 230 DC to run a 20 ton overhead crane and possibly some > other DC machines I have around here. > > As many people who know me can attest, my projects are seldom small. This > current project that I have is to power the DC motor on an overhead crane in the > Tod Engine restoration shop. There is no 220 AC power in the building to > rectify to DC, so I thought an alternative would be to build a gas powered > generator. I have the gas engine and motor already. I could probably forego the > governor idea altogether and just go to a Ward Leonard system for speed control, > however that means varying the engine throttle instead of operating the > controller to change speed, but that might not be so bad of an idea since we would > have to rig up bank of resistors to a barrel controller anyways. A friend has > an old Cole truck crane that is all DC powered and a flat head V8 direct > coupled to a generator. > > BTW what is the RPM range of this 350 engine anyway? From idle to red line? > Anyone know? > > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > www.todengine.org > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Sun Nov 28 18:08:32 2004 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:08:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? References: Message-ID: <003b01c4d5b8$5487c820$6ce0a841@ibm22761389857> I suspect that 1200 rpm may not be near the max power curve of the engine. A friend of mine is in the process of putting a Chevy 350 on a Lockheed AL-60 airplane. It has about a 3 to 1 reduction drive between it and the prop to get the engine at it's max power curve at about 2400 rpm prop speed. He is hoping for over 2000 lbs of thrust at takeoff rpm. Airboat folks do this stuff all the time. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW this stiff all the time ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 18:27 Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > OK you can watch but I'll hide behind that big rock over there! I think I > need about 1200 rpm to get the voltage I want out of the generator. > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > www.todengine.org > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Sun Nov 28 18:17:38 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:17:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? References: Message-ID: <005101c4d5b9$99959680$041117d1@net.telenet.net> Idle is usually around 600 rpm and a tired 350 should be able to hit 4 grand without problem. I have a built one that will turn closer to 9K. I would try to turn a 350 at about 2K or so for best economy though. They LIKE fuel. Might want to put a transmission in between to get a good operating range. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > Dave, > I don't think the V8 would be too big, the motor I plan on using as a > generator weighs about three times that of the engine. Its a big 20 or 25 hp DC > motor, and depending upon the load placed on the generator the V8 might be > perfect. My aim is to produce 230 DC to run a 20 ton overhead crane and possibly some > other DC machines I have around here. > > As many people who know me can attest, my projects are seldom small. This > current project that I have is to power the DC motor on an overhead crane in the > Tod Engine restoration shop. There is no 220 AC power in the building to > rectify to DC, so I thought an alternative would be to build a gas powered > generator. I have the gas engine and motor already. I could probably forego the > governor idea altogether and just go to a Ward Leonard system for speed control, > however that means varying the engine throttle instead of operating the > controller to change speed, but that might not be so bad of an idea since we would > have to rig up bank of resistors to a barrel controller anyways. A friend has > an old Cole truck crane that is all DC powered and a flat head V8 direct > coupled to a generator. > > BTW what is the RPM range of this 350 engine anyway? From idle to red line? > Anyone know? > > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > www.todengine.org > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Todengine at aol.com Sun Nov 28 18:35:34 2004 From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:35:34 EST Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? Message-ID: I will have to look at the motor nameplate to see what the motors speed is, that should tell me what kind of a transmission, if any I might need. Also have to consult my DC textbooks and study up on generators before getting the tools out. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH www.todengine.org From segray at mlode.com Sun Nov 28 22:41:57 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:41:57 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mini flat belt sources In-Reply-To: <20041128.112139.760.2.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20041128.112139.760.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <41AAC4B5.1060705@mlode.com> Thanks, Joe. I'd forgotten Lee carried the small stuff. Haven't talked with him in years. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com jlb94 at juno.com wrote: >Hi Steve, > >Why not use Lee Pedersen for your belts ? > > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > \/)"(\/ when He was tired." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Mon Nov 29 01:05:32 2004 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 04:05:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm wondering what voltage are you trying to get out of the generator and what are you going to power with DC? Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 Todengine at aol.com wrote: > OK you can watch but I'll hide behind that big rock over there! I think I > need about 1200 rpm to get the voltage I want out of the generator. > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > www.todengine.org > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Nov 28 19:26:23 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:26:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71C8B77B-41B6-11D9-B7BB-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> About 4400 RPM is where the 350s of the early '80s were rated at peak horsepower. I'd run it a lot slower for continuous duty. 2000-2500 RPM will be a very happy speed, near torque peak for a stock one. John John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Nov 28 17:16:23 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:16:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mini flat belt sources In-Reply-To: <20041128.112139.760.2.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20041128.112139.760.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041128201234.022c7608@mail.alltel.net> At 10:50 AM 11/28/2004, you wrote: >Hi Steve, >Why not use Lee Pedersen for your belts ? >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Lee made mine for my 1926 compressor--see: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/1926_Compressor/index.html The belt is 85"X 2" and the cost was $30.00. It's tan--never heard of a black flat belt! Dave From curt at imc-group.com Mon Nov 29 06:20:52 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:20:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help In-Reply-To: <154.452e5151.2edb8ab3@aol.com> References: <154.452e5151.2edb8ab3@aol.com> Message-ID: <41AB3044.8000100@imc-group.com> Tom, I'm guessing this is a gasoline fired soldering iron? Old gasoline will eventually dry into the cakes you describe. I've had good success dissolving dried gas residue with lacquer thinner. Fill her up and let it soak a few days and it'll be clean as a whistle. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Germoamer at aol.com wrote: >I need some list help to unclog a pipe in a gas tank. See picture to better >understand. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/iron%20heater.jpg > >I am working on the gas heater for the soldering irons. The tank was full of >dried junk and finally go it all out by shaking rocks inside for quite some >time. However, the discharge pipe in also clogged. I have removed the cut off >valve (to the right of tank). The pipe is welded to the tank and is radiused >inside down to the bottom of the tank. Thankfully this was done rather than >a right angle as it makes it easier to push something down it. I have tried >forcing air, and a number of wires, braided wire on the end of a drill, etc., >all to no avail. The pipe must be full of dried junk. I now have it standing >upright with carb cleaner soaking in the pipe. Maybe I need to contact Mr. >Roto-Roter! > >Does anyone have any ideas how to unclog the pipe? It is 1/4 inch steel. > >T > From shop at cccomm.net Mon Nov 29 07:11:58 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 07:11:58 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Webster Brass Message-ID: <014c01c4d625$c77e1740$6501a8c0@Shop> The reproduction brass bands for the Websters have a black background, which I presume is a duplication of the original. How is it done? I've got a very decent one, and I'd like to try it. Dave From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sun Nov 28 05:18:39 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 14:18:39 +0100 Subject: [SEL] good engine day References: Message-ID: <002601c4d54c$c6b2e4a0$3775833e@harryp1811> Yesterday we had a good engine day. After some trial and error trying to get the Vertical air-cooled IHC Famous going without snottering from the carburettor, we changed over to propane. This too needed quite some fine tuning. It was very hard to start, and after lots af headscratching we tried another sparkplug, and it's startning with only one pull through compression..... Seems we always were looking at the wrong end to find the problem. Anyway this mornig we started it up at around 9.45am, and it has been running flawless up until 4.15pm. The engine will stay on propane!! We also worked on our vertical Japy. We orederd new piston rings for it, and this morning we put them on the piston and put the (headless) cylinder back on the engine. It all turns over very nicely. I know we're still far from having it running. (the magneto needs to have the coil rewind) but it was much fun putting it back together. Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html From segray at mlode.com Mon Nov 29 07:53:14 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 07:53:14 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mini flat belt sources In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041128201234.022c7608@mail.alltel.net> References: <20041128.112139.760.2.jlb94@juno.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041128201234.022c7608@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <41AB45EA.9030908@mlode.com> Hi Dave - True, the leather belts don't usually start out black. Because of the desired thickness, I had a rubber based belt framed in my mine, but a usable tan leather would be great too. I'll send for some materials from Lee this week. Couldn't do anything with a belt now anyway since I'm in the midst of throwing some paint on the Mery. Hey, the compressor looks great! - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Dave Rotigel wrote: > At 10:50 AM 11/28/2004, you wrote: > >> Hi Steve, >> Why not use Lee Pedersen for your belts ? >> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > > Lee made mine for my 1926 compressor--see: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/1926_Compressor/index.html > The belt is 85"X 2" and the cost was $30.00. It's tan--never heard of > a black flat belt! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 29 07:56:33 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:56:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mini flat belt sources Message-ID: <20041129.110842.1108.0.jlb94@juno.com> As for flat belts being black - If it's leather and you want it black - Just dye it with leather dye. However - I find most all my belts are of a dark finish because of the handling using gloves or hands that are covered with oil & grease. I had one long belt that Lee shortened and made into two belts for a minimal charge at coolsprings. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 29 08:00:41 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:00:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help Message-ID: <20041129.110842.1108.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Tom, I've always used Denatured Alcohol to disolve varnished gasoline. I just picked up a Toro Snow Blower (FREE) that had no spark. Cleaned the points and got spark. The carb and siphon tube were all gummed up. Couldn't get a brazing rod through the tube. A day in Denatured Alcohol did the trick. Runs beautiful. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Nov 29 08:16:40 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:16:40 EST Subject: [SEL] Information Needed - WICO Model F - Johnson Utilimotor Message-ID: <62.4908fc15.2edca568@aol.com> Hi List, The Johnson Utilimotor is finally disassembled except for the piston which is rusted in the cylinder. Upon removing the flywheel, I found the magnet(s) in the magneto (WICO Model F) seem to be missing. Where is the magnet assembly located on the Model F WICO? Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 29 08:28:37 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:28:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Webster Brass References: <014c01c4d625$c77e1740$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <009901c4d630$7ae94a20$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> ferric chloride indelible hand and sink dye heated in a butter dish set in hot water to speed it up your choice of resists , wax , self adhesive shelf paper they even make one you can print off on a laser printer big blue something or other also see "photo chemical machining " ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// The reproduction brass bands ......I'd like to try it. Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Nov 29 09:41:51 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:41:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Small show Nov. 20 In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041127193638.023a1c58@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041129124045.02416ec0@mail.alltel.net> >PS it's WAPA, not WOPA..... Hi Kelley, I'ma sorry I gotta dis wrong. Thanks fora tella me dis! Dave From curt at imc-group.com Mon Nov 29 09:57:03 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:57:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rock crusher/ now Tommy Berry In-Reply-To: <20041128.135540.1472.6.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20041128.135540.1472.6.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <41AB62EF.7050309@imc-group.com> Ron, Alan, If list member Tommy Berry will pipe up and say hi, perhaps he will tell us a little bit about his small rock crusher project he has developed. Tommy is a machinst and is currently taking orders I believe to make a run of small rock crushers he developed. It is a scaled down version of an assay crusher he has. Perhaps he can post some picture links so you can see what he has come up with. It a real neat item. Tommy's email address is: tberry6 at carolina.rr.com Curt Holland Gastonia, NC rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: >To Alan and the others who asked for more information on the rock >crusher, I put up some pictures at: >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31510198&f=0 >If you need more just ask. This was made from plate material by a >machinist friend who didn't want his name known for liability reasons. > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Nov 29 09:55:04 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:55:04 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Information Needed - WICO Model F - Johnson Utilimotor References: <62.4908fc15.2edca568@aol.com> Message-ID: <003401c4d63c$8f9d77a0$8c9f0952@no1> Have a look at http://www.magnetoparts.com/wico_fw.htm This says the magnets are the same as a Wico EK magneto. Perhaps that is where your magnets went to! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 4:16 PM Subject: [SEL] Information Needed - WICO Model F - Johnson Utilimotor > Hi List, > The Johnson Utilimotor is finally disassembled except for the piston which > is rusted in the cylinder. Upon removing the flywheel, I found the magnet(s) > in the magneto (WICO Model F) seem to be missing. Where is the magnet > assembly located on the Model F WICO? > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, California > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Nov 29 10:03:35 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:03:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mini flat belt sources In-Reply-To: <41AB45EA.9030908@mlode.com> References: <20041128.112139.760.2.jlb94@juno.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041128201234.022c7608@mail.alltel.net> <41AB45EA.9030908@mlode.com> Message-ID: <41AB6477.1020602@imc-group.com> Steve, If anyone has specialty flat belting Rahmann Belting does. On the web at http://rahmannbelting.com/ Curt Holland Gastonia, NC (home of Rahmann Belting) Steve Gray wrote: > Hi Dave - > > True, the leather belts don't usually start out black. Because of the > desired thickness, I had a rubber based belt framed in my mine, but a > usable tan leather would be great too. I'll send for some materials > from Lee this week. Couldn't do anything with a belt now anyway since > I'm in the midst of throwing some paint on the Mery. Hey, the > compressor looks great! > > - Steve > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 29 10:08:21 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:08:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Small show Nov. 20 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041129124045.02416ec0@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041127193638.023a1c58@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041129124045.02416ec0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Hmmmm, I think she's gonna sleep with the fishes... On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Dave Rotigel wrote: > >PS it's WAPA, not WOPA..... > > Hi Kelley, I'ma sorry I gotta dis wrong. Thanks fora tella me dis! > Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 29 10:16:36 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:16:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] What Is It? Message-ID: Hi Folks, Here's a pic of an engine that I saw at the Fall show & swap at Coolspring. I was never able to locate the owner. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/images/WhatIsIt.jpg Does anyone know what the make of this oddball is? Any other info on it would also be appreciated. Damn thing is so butt ugly it's cute. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 29 10:31:33 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:31:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: What Is It? References: Message-ID: <001201c4d641$a7539eb0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Richmond Standard http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/Wolfs001.jpg Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 12:16 PM Subject: What Is It? > Hi Folks, > > Here's a pic of an engine that I saw at the Fall show & swap at > Coolspring. I was never able to locate the owner. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/images/WhatIsIt.jpg > > Does anyone know what the make of this oddball is? Any other info on it > would also be appreciated. Damn thing is so butt ugly it's cute. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 29 10:32:07 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:32:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What Is It? References: Message-ID: <001b01c4d641$bbb44b70$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Richmond Standard http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/Wolfs001.jpg Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 12:16 PM Subject: [SEL] What Is It? > Hi Folks, > > Here's a pic of an engine that I saw at the Fall show & swap at > Coolspring. I was never able to locate the owner. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/images/WhatIsIt.jpg > > Does anyone know what the make of this oddball is? Any other info on it > would also be appreciated. Damn thing is so butt ugly it's cute. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 29 10:37:57 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:37:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] What Is It? In-Reply-To: <001b01c4d641$bbb44b70$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <001b01c4d641$bbb44b70$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: Bwahahaha!!!! 15 minutes and 33 seconds. Damn Ted, yer slipping. Time was you'd have had that ID posted in under five minutes! Must be the crook foot slowing you down! 8-)))) BTW, THANKS!!!! See ya, Arnie On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Ted Brookover wrote: > Richmond Standard > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/Wolfs001.jpg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > > > > Here's a pic of an engine that I saw at the Fall show & swap at > > Coolspring. I was never able to locate the owner. > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/images/WhatIsIt.jpg > > > > Does anyone know what the make of this oddball is? Any other info on it > > would also be appreciated. Damn thing is so butt ugly it's cute. 8-)) From jbcast at charter.net Sun Nov 28 16:41:43 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 0:41:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? Message-ID: <3k70kp$iqbehg@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net> > OK you can watch but I'll hide behind that big rock over there! I think I > need about 1200 rpm to get the voltage I want out of the generator. > Rick, the ideal range for the 350 would probably be around 3600rpm. You won't get much power at 1200, but if it's all you need it will be more efficient. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From curt at imc-group.com Mon Nov 29 12:31:48 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:31:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What Is It? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41AB8734.2070208@imc-group.com> Arnie, That definitely falls in the cute category. Believe I'd nickname it Dolly (Parton) if it were mine 'cause it's so top heavy. :-) Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Folks, > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/images/WhatIsIt.jpg > >Damn thing is so butt ugly it's cute. 8-)) > > > From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Nov 29 12:33:56 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:33:56 EST Subject: [SEL] Information Needed - WICO Model F - Johnson Utilimotor Message-ID: <99.526d511c.2edce1b4@aol.com> In a message dated 11/29/2004 10:03:19 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes: Have a look at http://www.magnetoparts.com/wico_fw.htm This says the magnets are the same as a Wico EK magneto. Perhaps that is where your magnets went to! Thanks Dave. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Mon Nov 29 12:46:30 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:46:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Good engine day References: <009d01c4d58e$067527b0$3775833e@harryp1811> <001701c4d592$e47ff8b0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <001a01c4d654$81880af0$3775833e@harryp1811> No John this one has the big NPT thread. We use the Autolite 3095. I'm sure glad that we have it all sorted out. BTW the Japy looks like a real engine now too;) Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Good engine day > Hi Harry, > That's good news to hear you overwon the troubles you had. > Don't know what sparkplug you used, but would suggest a D21 > from Champion these are best for propane firering is my experience. > > C-ya, > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > From lfevans at pacbell.net Mon Nov 29 13:40:48 2004 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:40:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What Is It? In-Reply-To: References: <001b01c4d641$bbb44b70$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20041129133903.02276a20@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Arnie... Here are a couple of ads from the Alan King books. http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/richmond/ Larry At 10:37 AM 11/29/2004, you wrote: >Bwahahaha!!!! 15 minutes and 33 seconds. Damn Ted, yer slipping. Time >was you'd have had that ID posted in under five minutes! Must be the >crook foot slowing you down! 8-)))) > >BTW, THANKS!!!! > >See ya, Arnie > >On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Ted Brookover wrote: > > > Richmond Standard > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/Wolfs001.jpg > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Arnie Fero" > > > > > > Here's a pic of an engine that I saw at the Fall show & swap at > > > Coolspring. I was never able to locate the owner. > > > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/images/WhatIsIt.jpg > > > > > > Does anyone know what the make of this oddball is? Any other info on it > > > would also be appreciated. Damn thing is so butt ugly it's cute. 8-)) >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Mon Nov 29 14:28:44 2004 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:28:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What Is It? References: Message-ID: <001901c4d662$c9a85d90$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> Hi Arnie; With the oversize covered hopper you almost have to wonder if it isn't one of those "soup cooled" engines. Probably could cook a mean stew in there, too. Best Regards; Jim Mackessy Syracuse, New York, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 1:16 PM Subject: [SEL] What Is It? > Hi Folks, > > Here's a pic of an engine that I saw at the Fall show & swap at > Coolspring. I was never able to locate the owner. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/images/WhatIsIt.jpg > > Does anyone know what the make of this oddball is? Any other info on it > would also be appreciated. Damn thing is so butt ugly it's cute. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Nov 29 14:16:46 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:16:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Good engine day References: <009d01c4d58e$067527b0$3775833e@harryp1811><001701c4d592$e47ff8b0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> <001a01c4d654$81880af0$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <000501c4d661$1d5b9710$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Harry, Started today to rebuild my "Red Devil" 3hp M :o)) Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/3Mred.jpg John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > No John this one has the big NPT thread. > We use the Autolite 3095. > I'm sure glad that we have it all sorted out. > > BTW the Japy looks like a real engine now too;) > > > Harry Terpstra From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Nov 29 14:17:17 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:17:17 EST Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help Message-ID: <1de.2f6013f4.2edcf9ed@aol.com> In a message dated 11/28/2004 3:29:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, jdohagan at comcast.net writes: << I have used a section of speedometer cable in a drill with good luck >> Jimmy, I will scrounge up one somewhere. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Nov 29 14:23:05 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:23:05 EST Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help Message-ID: <86.1c43f342.2edcfb49@aol.com> In a message dated 11/29/2004 9:30:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: << I'm guessing this is a gasoline fired soldering iron? Old gasoline will eventually dry into the cakes you describe. I've had good success dissolving dried gas residue with lacquer thinner. >> Curt, Yes, it is a gas fired burner for soldering irons. Never seen one like it before. I will try soaking with lacquer thinner. I think the pipe must be solid for quite a ways up in it. It sucks from the bottom and the tank was 1/4 full of dried junk. After soaking for a while, I will try Jimmy's speedometer cable in the drill. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Nov 29 14:25:26 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:25:26 EST Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help Message-ID: <6.395673f5.2edcfbd6@aol.com> In a message dated 11/29/2004 11:16:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, jlb94 at juno.com writes: << A day in Denatured Alcohol did the trick >> Joe, Maybe I will try 1/2 denatured alcohol and 1/2 lacquer thinner like Curt said worked. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Todengine at aol.com Mon Nov 29 15:17:21 2004 From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:17:21 EST Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? Message-ID: I checked the DC motor today and the nameplate RPM rating is 500-1200. So from this info. I would ascertain that driving the motor at 1200 would produce 250 volts and from posts on this list I've determined that about 2400 would be a good speed for the V8 engine. I can obtain a 2 to 1 ratio reduction gearbox without much problem, but I was wondering about direct connecting the motor, gearbox and generator together. Basically I don't believe a standard starter motor would turn the whole mass over fast enough for the motor to start. But why not just run DC voltage through the generator (which is in fact a motor) and use that to start the gas motor. Might work! Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH www.todengine.org From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 29 15:30:03 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:30:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] What Is It? In-Reply-To: <001901c4d662$c9a85d90$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> References: <001901c4d662$c9a85d90$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> Message-ID: Hi Jim, Well, in terms of "cooking machines" its hard to top Dave Croft's Danish Uller. This pic shows him cooking up a batch of nice spicy black pudding in the hopper. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/3/astle1.jpg http://www.g4cio.demon.co.uk/bpudding/pudding.htm And this pic shows the happy eaters... 8-)) http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/3/astle2.jpg For other "hooper cooking" recipies be sure to check out the SEL Cookbook that Dolly did for the Charity Auction in 2001. Some awesome stuff in there!! And speaking of the Charity Auction, are we doing one this year? Spencer? See ya, Arnie On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, James Mackessy wrote: > Hi Arnie; > With the oversize covered hopper you almost have to wonder if it isn't > one of those > "soup cooled" engines. Probably could cook a mean stew in there, too. > Best Regards; > Jim Mackessy > Syracuse, New York, USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > > > > Here's a pic of an engine that I saw at the Fall show & swap at > > Coolspring. I was never able to locate the owner. > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/images/WhatIsIt.jpg From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 29 15:34:16 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:34:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] 2004 ATIS CHarity Auction? Message-ID: Hi Folks, Has anyone heard if we're doing an ATIS Charity Auction this year? The web site "looks" functional... http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity Spencer? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From driggars at earthlink.net Mon Nov 29 11:37:29 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:37:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help References: <20041129.110842.1108.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <016401c4d64a$dd93ee40$c8438304@clinton> Joe I have always wondered if a person could add a few oz of denatured alcohol to the gas tank to help keep things cleaned out? would it hury anything to do this? Clint > Hi Tom, > > I've always used Denatured Alcohol to disolve varnished gasoline. > > I just picked up a Toro Snow Blower (FREE) that had no spark. > Cleaned the points and got spark. > > The carb and siphon tube were all gummed up. > Couldn't get a brazing rod through the tube. > A day in Denatured Alcohol did the trick. > > Runs beautiful. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > \/)"(\/ when He was tired." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Mon Nov 29 17:44:22 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:44:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? References: Message-ID: <002901c4d67e$1e29dd60$981117d1@net.telenet.net> Put a heavy duty gear reduction starter on it and it will crank it over like nothing. I have horsed my old blazer over big rocks using nothing but the starter motor before. I would probably put a clutch in between the engine and anything else though, just for safety. Plus the extra mass of the flywheel and pressure plate will allow the engine to turn much smoother. I would even connect a second flywheel before the gearbox for that same reason. Instead of the gearbox you could just put a 3/4 speed transmission on the engine, easy and you could select the gear and speed according to how much power you actually need. IE put it in 2 and hit the gas when you need high output or put it in 3 and throttle back if your turning something a bit lighter. Just a thought. Oh if you go that route you don't need to be very specific since just about any GM transmission will fit. Just tell them the year of the engine so you get the correct flywheel (different bolt patterns for old/new) Bellhousings are all the same from small block/big block and the 4.3 V-6 so they are easy to find as well. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > I checked the DC motor today and the nameplate RPM rating is 500-1200. So > from this info. I would ascertain that driving the motor at 1200 would produce > 250 volts and from posts on this list I've determined that about 2400 would be > a good speed for the V8 engine. I can obtain a 2 to 1 ratio reduction gearbox > without much problem, but I was wondering about direct connecting the motor, > gearbox and generator together. Basically I don't believe a standard starter > motor would turn the whole mass over fast enough for the motor to start. > > But why not just run DC voltage through the generator (which is in fact a > motor) and use that to start the gas motor. Might work! > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > www.todengine.org > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brianne at ultratune.com.au Mon Nov 29 17:53:43 2004 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:53:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] IH3M Message-ID: <006e01c4d67f$6c8a9a70$1954dccb@pcuser> Hi Guys Finally got the 3M running. Video on web site under engines/IH3M project The video was taken today as we started it for the first time. Still have to get the mixture right, but she started!!!! Actually ran quite sweet for a few seconds. Web address: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html where you can see some progress pictures etc.plus other Museum pictures (Old machinery etc.) Check it out. Brian From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 29 17:46:41 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:46:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help Message-ID: <20041129.210419.248.1.jlb94@juno.com> I have always wondered if a person could add a few oz of denatured alcohol to the gas tank to help keep things cleaned out? would it hury anything to do this? - - - - - - - Hi Clint, I don't think it would hurt anything - After I cleaned out my IDEAL base with Denatured Alcohol, I could smell it when it was running. But - If you run the engine even a few times a year, you should have no problems. What better cleaner than gasoline ? Why not consider a fuel stabilizer for storage if you're worried about gumming up? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 29 17:41:04 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:41:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help Message-ID: <20041129.210419.248.0.jlb94@juno.com> Maybe I will try 1/2 denatured alcohol and 1/2 lacquer thinner like Curt said worked. = = = = = = = Careful when mixing flamable liquids. I once mixed Gasoline & Kerosene in a smudge pot and lit it not realizing what was mixed. It worked okay untill I picked it up to move it. About liked to blow my head off !! Luckily - The pressure of gasoline igniting blew itself out. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Nov 29 14:22:39 2004 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:22:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124123357.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> <41A4D25B.1080909@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124145803.13301ec0@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124161556.132bd480@mail.alltel.net> <001d01c4d276$34123980$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> <1101406625.41a621a1d0a8d@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <001801c4d661$efb058e0$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> And look what it sold for!!!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor > Hi Mike, > > THIS is the ONLY thing those damn Brunner compressors are any good for! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3853408738&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT > > Feel the love? > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnnie FERO > Pittsburgh, PA > (Home of the Fero Compressor) > fero_ah at city-net.com > > Quoting Mike Royster : > > Great job on the compressor! I have done over a dozen of the 1950's era > > Brunners, which are not only far superior to the Japanese knockoff "FERO", > > but all of mine are finished and RUNNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alanb2 at webtv.net Mon Nov 29 18:25:26 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:25:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2004 ATIS CHarity Auction? In-Reply-To: Arnie Fero 's message of Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:34:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1689-41ABDA16-3367@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net> Thanks Arnie. This is the first time I got to put up the first Charity Auction item. 8>)) Alan Bowen ~~~~~~Arnie?Fero wrote~~~~ Hi Folks, Has anyone heard if we're doing an ATIS Charity Auction this year? The web site "looks" functional... http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity Spencer? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com . . Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Nov 29 18:47:05 2004 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 02:47:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help In-Reply-To: <1de.2f6013f4.2edcf9ed@aol.com> Message-ID: <20041130024705.94074.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> And cut off the end fitting, then open up the last coil to make a hook. Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea --- Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/28/2004 3:29:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, > jdohagan at comcast.net writes: > > << I have used a section of speedometer cable in a drill with good luck >> > > Jimmy, > > I will scrounge up one somewhere. > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ___________________________________________________________ Moving house? Beach bar in Thailand? New Wardrobe? Win ?10k with Yahoo! Mail to make your dream a reality. Get Yahoo! Mail www.yahoo.co.uk/10k From frank at lbpinc.com Mon Nov 29 18:54:39 2004 From: frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:54:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? In-Reply-To: <002901c4d67e$1e29dd60$981117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <002901c4d67e$1e29dd60$981117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20041129214839.03188e68@MAIL1.THEBOOK.COM> If you can find any one from western PA they can put this together with you in about a day. When my son went to engineering college in PA (Grove City) he and I learned that "Putasmallblockinit' is one word and almost any boy over 14 can Putasmallblockinit in about a day. His friends really didn't understand why he didn't Putasmallblockinit to his Mazda RX7 Frank Snip > Oh if you go >that route you don't need to be very specific since just about any GM >transmission will fit. Just tell them the year of the engine so you get >the correct flywheel (different bolt patterns for old/new) Bellhousings >are all the same from small block/big block and the 4.3 V-6 so they are >easy to find as well. > >Steve Williams > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 6:17 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > > > > I checked the DC motor today and the nameplate RPM rating is 500-1200. >So > > from this info. I would ascertain that driving the motor at 1200 would >produce > > 250 volts and from posts on this list I've determined that about 2400 >would be > > a good speed for the V8 engine. I can obtain a 2 to 1 ratio reduction >gearbox > > without much problem, but I was wondering about direct connecting the >motor, > > gearbox and generator together. Basically I don't believe a standard >starter > > motor would turn the whole mass over fast enough for the motor to >start. > > > > But why not just run DC voltage through the generator (which is in >fact a > > motor) and use that to start the gas motor. Might work! > > > > Rick Rowlands > > Executive Director > > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > > Youngstown, OH > > www.todengine.org > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W 77.5164| Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Nov 29 19:44:07 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:44:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20041129214839.03188e68@MAIL1.THEBOOK.COM> Message-ID: <007301c4d68e$dbed2b30$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Yehaw - keep in mind not all SBC's are the same - some internally balanced, some externally, so, the flywheel/flexplate from a 350 will make a 400 vibrate........... So many people put sbc's in so many vehicles, it's now blazay, boring, etc. - too commonly done, no longer fun and unique. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Frank DeWitt Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 8:55 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? If you can find any one from western PA they can put this together with you in about a day. When my son went to engineering college in PA (Grove City) he and I learned that "Putasmallblockinit' is one word and almost any boy over 14 can Putasmallblockinit in about a day. His friends really didn't understand why he didn't Putasmallblockinit to his Mazda RX7 Frank Snip > Oh if you go >that route you don't need to be very specific since just about any GM >transmission will fit. Just tell them the year of the engine so you get >the correct flywheel (different bolt patterns for old/new) Bellhousings >are all the same from small block/big block and the 4.3 V-6 so they are >easy to find as well. > >Steve Williams > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 6:17 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > > > > I checked the DC motor today and the nameplate RPM rating is > > 500-1200. >So > > from this info. I would ascertain that driving the motor at 1200 > > would >produce > > 250 volts and from posts on this list I've determined that about > > 2400 >would be > > a good speed for the V8 engine. I can obtain a 2 to 1 ratio > > reduction >gearbox > > without much problem, but I was wondering about direct connecting > > the >motor, > > gearbox and generator together. Basically I don't believe a > > standard >starter > > motor would turn the whole mass over fast enough for the motor to >start. > > > > But why not just run DC voltage through the generator (which is in >fact a > > motor) and use that to start the gas motor. Might work! > > > > Rick Rowlands > > Executive Director > > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, > > OH www.todengine.org > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W 77.5164| Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Mon Nov 29 19:59:03 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:59:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? References: <002901c4d67e$1e29dd60$981117d1@net.telenet.net> <6.0.1.1.0.20041129214839.03188e68@MAIL1.THEBOOK.COM> Message-ID: <004101c4d690$ef16cca0$595c14d0@net.telenet.net> Frank, Your dead on there. I have put SBCs in just about everything. Jaguars, Fords, a couple Dodges, a VW or three and a few others the SBC is real easy to hop up and can fit in LOTS of engine compartments. Plus parts are cheap..... Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank DeWitt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > If you can find any one from western PA they can put this together with you > in about a day. > > When my son went to engineering college in PA (Grove City) he and I > learned that "Putasmallblockinit' is one word and almost any boy over 14 > can Putasmallblockinit in about a day. His friends really didn't > understand why he didn't Putasmallblockinit to his Mazda RX7 > > Frank > > Snip > > > Oh if you go > >that route you don't need to be very specific since just about any GM > >transmission will fit. Just tell them the year of the engine so you get > >the correct flywheel (different bolt patterns for old/new) Bellhousings > >are all the same from small block/big block and the 4.3 V-6 so they are > >easy to find as well. > > > >Steve Williams > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 6:17 PM > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > > > > > > > I checked the DC motor today and the nameplate RPM rating is 500-1200. > >So > > > from this info. I would ascertain that driving the motor at 1200 would > >produce > > > 250 volts and from posts on this list I've determined that about 2400 > >would be > > > a good speed for the V8 engine. I can obtain a 2 to 1 ratio reduction > >gearbox > > > without much problem, but I was wondering about direct connecting the > >motor, > > > gearbox and generator together. Basically I don't believe a standard > >starter > > > motor would turn the whole mass over fast enough for the motor to > >start. > > > > > > But why not just run DC voltage through the generator (which is in > >fact a > > > motor) and use that to start the gas motor. Might work! > > > > > > Rick Rowlands > > > Executive Director > > > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > > > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > > > Youngstown, OH > > > www.todengine.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > +----------------------------------------------------------------------- --+ > HONOR GOD > SERVE PEOPLE > DEVELOP EXCELLENCE > GROW PROFITABLE > FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES > > Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com > Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 > LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 > 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W > 77.5164| > Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Mon Nov 29 20:04:25 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:04:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help References: <20041129.210419.248.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <004d01c4d691$aead2000$595c14d0@net.telenet.net> Since that is about all gas line antifreeze is anyway, go ahead. Just be aware that if there is ANY water in the tank or any other crud it will travel with the alcohol. I learned that the hard way when my family went on a trip out west in the 80's. First tank of gasohol plugged the fuel filter 6 times. Nothing like changing the fuel filter on the side of the highway and then having to drop the tank to replace the fuel sock. I did get real good at changing the fuel filter on that 301 though.... Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] clogged pipe help > I have always wondered if a person could add a few oz of denatured > alcohol to > the gas tank to help keep things cleaned out? > would it hury anything to do this? > - - - - - - - > Hi Clint, > > I don't think it would hurt anything - After I cleaned out my IDEAL base > with Denatured > Alcohol, I could smell it when it was running. > > But - If you run the engine even a few times a year, you should have no > problems. > What better cleaner than gasoline ? > Why not consider a fuel stabilizer for storage if you're worried about > gumming up? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > \/)"(\/ when He was tired." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Nov 29 20:13:59 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:13:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2004 ATIS CHarity Auction? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041129230931.01b91a50@mail.alltel.net> At 06:34 PM 11/29/2004, you wrote: >Hi Folks, >Has anyone heard if we're doing an ATIS Charity Auction this year? >The web site "looks" functional... >http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity >Spencer? >See ya, Arnie Hi Arnie, and Others, Spencer usually wants to wait until the first of December to kick off the Charity Auction. I think it has something to do with the FATG's eating too much at Thanksgiving and needing time to get rid of gas before the announcement. I do notice that there is one bid on some nice knobs already! From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Nov 29 20:20:41 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:20:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Small show Nov. 20 In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041127193638.023a1c58@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041129124045.02416ec0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041129231437.01b73aa0@mail.alltel.net> At 01:08 PM 11/29/2004, you wrote: >Hmmmm, I think she's gonna sleep with the fishes... Atsa nica assa ona dat chick. Nica assa don't sleep witha no dama fishes! Dave PS, We figure out who she sleepa wit first ina early August! PPS, Onea silver star maka same as twoa dos blue ones! From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Nov 29 21:27:14 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:27:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic In-Reply-To: References: <20041126.122428.1280.4.jlb94@juno.com> <41A76D85.5050909@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <41AC04B2.60203@scrtc.com> Thanks Rick. I really want a PU if I can find one. TT Richard Strobel wrote: >Hi Tommy; > Got a '39... ton and a half dually stake body, but it is VERY tired. > >You might try www.stovebolt.com not to be confused with starbolt. > >Good Luck > >RickinMt. > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 10:53 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic > > > > >>Joe, >> I have seen those at some of the local stores and have, on occasion, >>looked at them to see what some of old vehicles are in them. Ususally >>most of the vehicles are in the 10 - 20 year old range and I haven't >>haven't seen any '39 or '40 PU in them. But, I should pay more >>attention to them as if one is listed in them, it would probalby be a >>much better bargain than what I would find in one of the classic / >>antique vehicle trader publications. Thanks for the tip and I'll give >>them a view. >> >>TT >> >> >> >>jlb94 at juno.com wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi Tommy, >>> >>>Around here (Pittsburgh, PA) we have a local magazine called "trader". >>> >>>Truck Trader - Car Trader - Antique Car Trader - Etc. >>> >>>It's available at the local convenience stores - FREE. and most of the >>>cars are local. >>> >>>See if you have them around you. >>>= = = = = = = = = >>> = >>> >>>I would be leery of e-bay also, but I have a buddy that has bought a >>>couple cars from e-bay and he is well satisfied. >>> >>>Right now he is/was looking at a Green Chevy Caprice- I think '68. Last >>>I looked >>>it was around $8,000 (Reserve Not Met) and it is a very nice looking car. >>> >>> >>>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >>>jlb94 at juno.com >>>,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - >>>\/)"(\/ when He was tired." >>>(_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Mon Nov 29 23:08:01 2004 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:08:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Small show Nov. 20 Message-ID: no problema... Kelley > > >PS it's WAPA, not WOPA..... > > Hi Kelley, I'ma sorry I gotta dis wrong. Thanks fora tella me dis! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- From b.jwalker at shaw.ca Mon Nov 29 15:32:15 2004 From: b.jwalker at shaw.ca (Bob and Joanne) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:32:15 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Re 350 governor Message-ID: <41ABB17F.000003.28585@HPPAV> Your best bet is to get the belt driven governor from an ag application, an example would be a Massey 510 combine which gives you the advantage of ready made brackets etc. As to the speed range you are operating in it is hard to say without knowing what application the 350 was originally used in. There is a big difference in 350 engines, an example would be two bolt mains, four bolt mains what cyl. heads,pistons,camshaft, what fuel system what crankshaft what valve springs etc etc. On some applications they will run under full load at 3800 to 4000 RPMs all day long depending on the engine. For the benefit of your pocket book with regards to fuel consumption I would try for the 1800 to 2400 RPM range. The benefit of the old style belt drive jobs is that they are adjustable for a very large operating range.I have used them with settings as low as 1200 to a high 4400. Good luck on your project. Bob- Fort Saskatchewan, Alberta, Canada. From jnyost at yahoo.com Tue Nov 30 04:04:52 2004 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:04:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] 2004 ATIS CHarity Auction? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041130120453.24961.qmail@web40602.mail.yahoo.com> I sure hope it is. I would like to see that "BIG OLD WRENCH" (Spencer) go back on the auction since my ISP went down and I could not put my last bid in. 8-)) Jim --- Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Has anyone heard if we're doing an ATIS Charity > Auction this year? > The web site "looks" functional... > http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity > > Spencer? > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Nov 30 04:08:10 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:08:10 +0000 Subject: [SEL] IH3M In-Reply-To: <006e01c4d67f$6c8a9a70$1954dccb@pcuser> Message-ID: Hey Brian, that was neat to hear an old M while sitting in my office here at work. Thanks for putting up the movie clip. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =================== >From: "Brian Taylor" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] IH3M >Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:53:43 +1000 > >Hi Guys >Finally got the 3M running. Video on web site under engines/IH3M project >The video was taken today as we started it for the first time. > Still have to get the mixture right, but she started!!!! Actually ran > quite sweet for a few seconds. >Web address: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html > where you can see some progress pictures etc.plus other Museum > pictures (Old machinery etc.) > Check it out. >Brian >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wrl at gwltd.com Tue Nov 30 04:48:20 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:48:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? References: Message-ID: <004201c4d6db$07d814c0$8ab217d0@laptop> Rick that should work fine. Many larger generators start the power plant in this way. Sure worth a try. J. Dave Mayfield www.w9wrl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > I checked the DC motor today and the nameplate RPM rating is 500-1200. So > from this info. I would ascertain that driving the motor at 1200 would produce > 250 volts and from posts on this list I've determined that about 2400 would be > a good speed for the V8 engine. I can obtain a 2 to 1 ratio reduction gearbox > without much problem, but I was wondering about direct connecting the motor, > gearbox and generator together. Basically I don't believe a standard starter > motor would turn the whole mass over fast enough for the motor to start. > > But why not just run DC voltage through the generator (which is in fact a > motor) and use that to start the gas motor. Might work! > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > www.todengine.org > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Nov 30 05:33:31 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:33:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41AC76AB.1060309@imc-group.com> Rick, Share with us the other DC nameplate information such as kw, kva, or HP. That is what is going to determine what speed you need to be running your 350 engine at. If you are only trying to generate say 30 HP (or roughly 20kw) then your 350 V8 ought to be able to do this just fine at 1200 rpms. Direct couple them and enjoy the fuel savings of running the engine at low rpm's. If you are trying to make say 150 HP (or roughly 100kw) then you are certainly going to need to be in the power band range for this motor. Then you will be forced to go the route of gear reduction or automotive transmission. If you wind up direct coupling the two, there is no reason the standard starter won't turn over both the engine and the unexcited generator. You should also give thought to a torsional flex plate between the engine flywheel and generator input shaft to prevent fatigue failure. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Todengine at aol.com wrote: >I checked the DC motor today and the nameplate RPM rating is 500-1200. So >from this info. I would ascertain that driving the motor at 1200 would produce >250 volts and from posts on this list I've determined that about 2400 would be >a good speed for the V8 engine. I can obtain a 2 to 1 ratio reduction gearbox >without much problem, but I was wondering about direct connecting the motor, >gearbox and generator together. Basically I don't believe a standard starter >motor would turn the whole mass over fast enough for the motor to start. > >But why not just run DC voltage through the generator (which is in fact a >motor) and use that to start the gas motor. Might work! > >Rick Rowlands >Executive Director >Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark >William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine >Youngstown, OH >www.todengine.org >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Nov 30 05:59:58 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:59:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic References: <20041126.122428.1280.4.jlb94@juno.com> <41A76D85.5050909@scrtc.com> <41AC04B2.60203@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Hi Tommy; Just remembered yesterday that a buddy/neighbor of mine has a PU. Don't remember the year. He's over the pond now but can email him. Hopefully you can find one closer. later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic > Thanks Rick. I really want a PU if I can find one. > TT > > > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > >Hi Tommy; > > Got a '39... ton and a half dually stake body, but it is VERY tired. > > > >You might try www.stovebolt.com not to be confused with starbolt. > > > >Good Luck > > > >RickinMt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 10:53 AM > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic > > > > > > > > > >>Joe, > >> I have seen those at some of the local stores and have, on occasion, > >>looked at them to see what some of old vehicles are in them. Ususally > >>most of the vehicles are in the 10 - 20 year old range and I haven't > >>haven't seen any '39 or '40 PU in them. But, I should pay more > >>attention to them as if one is listed in them, it would probalby be a > >>much better bargain than what I would find in one of the classic / > >>antique vehicle trader publications. Thanks for the tip and I'll give > >>them a view. > >> > >>TT > >> > >> > >> > >>jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Hi Tommy, > >>> > >>>Around here (Pittsburgh, PA) we have a local magazine called "trader". > >>> > >>>Truck Trader - Car Trader - Antique Car Trader - Etc. > >>> > >>>It's available at the local convenience stores - FREE. and most of the > >>>cars are local. > >>> > >>>See if you have them around you. > >>>= = = = = = = = > >>>= > >>> = > >>> > >>>I would be leery of e-bay also, but I have a buddy that has bought a > >>>couple cars from e-bay and he is well satisfied. > >>> > >>>Right now he is/was looking at a Green Chevy Caprice- I think '68. > >>>Last > >>>I looked > >>>it was around $8,000 (Reserve Not Met) and it is a very nice looking > >>>car. > >>> > >>> > >>>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > >>>jlb94 at juno.com > >>>,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > >>>\/)"(\/ when He was tired." > >>>(_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>SEL mailing list > >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From prepair at easynet.co.uk Tue Nov 30 06:14:06 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:14:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? In-Reply-To: <41AC76AB.1060309@imc-group.com> References: <41AC76AB.1060309@imc-group.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:33:31 -0500, you wrote: >Rick, >Share with us the other DC nameplate information such as kw, kva, or HP. >That is what is going to determine what speed you need to be running >your 350 engine at. Let us not confuse AC & DC here, kW is the rating of DC power or AC power with the power factor taken into account, kVA is an AC rating without power factor correction. HP is hosses by any other name :-)) >If you are only trying to generate say 30 HP (or >roughly 20kw) then your 350 V8 ought to be able to do this just fine at >1200 rpms. Direct couple them and enjoy the fuel savings of running the >engine at low rpm's. If you are trying to make say 150 HP (or roughly >100kw) then you are certainly going to need to be in the power band >range for this motor. Then you will be forced to go the route of gear >reduction or automotive transmission. Yes, the larger engines will run quite happily on load at considerably less than their rated speeds, and will be very quiet as well, especially if a decent exhaust is fitted. >If you wind up direct coupling the two, there is no reason the standard >starter won't turn over both the engine and the unexcited generator. >You should also give thought to a torsional flex plate between the >engine flywheel and generator input shaft to prevent fatigue failure. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC Starting big gennys is pretty standard stuff with conventional starter motors on big diesels, it's only when you get up to the very large engines that 48V starters or air starting becomes necessary (air starting as in an air starter motor, not air injection as used in big marine engines) Lister used the generator for a starter in a number of cases, we have a 110V 7kW DC set which is automatic start using the house battery that it kept charged to power the generator as a motor. Note that field reversal is necessary to run the genny as a motor compared to what it would be as a generator, which is why a lot of auto-start sets went for a separate starter winding on the rotor and a separate starter field as well. The Lister Start-O-Matics went this route, although they were AC output so couldn't be used as a motor from batteries. I think that made sense.... :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From andyglines at hotmail.com Tue Nov 30 08:36:19 2004 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:36:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Hunting for something - Old Truck In-Reply-To: <200411301114.iAUBERWh030571@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Try these sites. http://www.aths.org/ look at their calssifieds and they have a nice discussion forum. http://www.traderonline.com/ this site has adds for just about anything with an engine and some things which don't. http://www.atca-inc.net/ the discussion board here usually has a lot of advertising. > 45. Re: Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic > (Judge Tommy Turner) >Message: 45 >Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:27:14 -0500 >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <41AC04B2.60203 at scrtc.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >Thanks Rick. I really want a PU if I can find one. >TT > > > >Richard Strobel wrote: > > >Hi Tommy; > > Got a '39... ton and a half dually stake body, but it is VERY tired. > > > >You might try www.stovebolt.com not to be confused with starbolt. > > > >Good Luck > > > >RickinMt. From alanb2 at webtv.net Tue Nov 30 11:24:11 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:24:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2004 ATIS CHarity Auction? In-Reply-To: James Yost 's message of Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:04:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <24246-41ACC8DB-3006@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> Hi Jim, I was wondering if anyone would be interested in another one,,,, I will put up another Big Ol' Wrench soon. Grab yer own, OR,, Hey Spenser,,, Wanna set of 'em??? I guess I just need to make a simple web page of items on the Charity Auction. I have a book here I am putting up in a few minutes that could go either way. 8>)) Alan Bowen ~~~~~Jim?Yost wrote~~~~~ I sure hope it is. I would like to see that "BIG OLD WRENCH" (Spencer) go back on the auction since my ISP went down and I could not put my last bid in. 8-)) http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From curt at imc-group.com Tue Nov 30 13:08:37 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:08:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2004 ATIS CHarity Auction? In-Reply-To: <24246-41ACC8DB-3006@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> References: <24246-41ACC8DB-3006@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <41ACE155.9090408@imc-group.com> But Alan, is it a King Dick?! :-) Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Alan Bowen wrote: >Hi Jim, > >I was wondering if anyone would be interested in another one,,,, > >I will put up another Big Ol' Wrench soon. >Grab yer own, >OR,, Hey Spenser,,, Wanna set of 'em??? > >I guess I just need to make a simple web page of items on the Charity >Auction. > >I have a book here I am putting up in a few minutes that could go either >way. 8>)) > > > From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Tue Nov 30 13:08:55 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:08:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IH3M References: <006e01c4d67f$6c8a9a70$1954dccb@pcuser> Message-ID: <0a3501c4d720$cf65b110$0301a8c0@ALEC> Hi, Very nice engine, Do you or anyone else have a video / audio clip of a 6 hp M ??? I sure could use one for a project but my video eqip. is currently out of service, Tks Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Taylor" To: Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 8:53 PM Subject: [SEL] IH3M Hi Guys Finally got the 3M running. Video on web site under engines/IH3M project The video was taken today as we started it for the first time. Still have to get the mixture right, but she started!!!! Actually ran quite sweet for a few seconds. Web address: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html where you can see some progress pictures etc.plus other Museum pictures (Old machinery etc.) Check it out. Brian _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alanb2 at webtv.net Tue Nov 30 14:06:10 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:06:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2004 ATIS CHarity Auction? In-Reply-To: Curt 's message of Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:08:37 -0500 Message-ID: <13672-41ACEED2-4829@storefull-3276.bay.webtv.net> Curt, The wrench is what it is. Go place a bid. Pictues of the three things I have offered so far are loaded on one web page and the links work from all three items. Bid high and Bid often. Alan ~~~~~~Curt Holland wrote~~~~ But Alan, is it a King Dick?! :-) Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Alan Bowen wrote: Hi Jim, I was wondering if anyone would be interested in another one,,,, I will put up another Big Ol' Wrench soon. Grab yer own, OR,, Hey Spenser,,, Wanna set of 'em??? I guess I just need to make a simple web page of items on the Charity Auction. I have a book here I am putting up in a few minutes that could go either way. 8>)) Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan http://community.webtv.net/alanb2/ATISAuctionItems From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Nov 30 14:13:43 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:13:43 EST Subject: [SEL] Good engine day Message-ID: <7f.524bf16f.2ede4a97@aol.com> In a message dated 11/29/2004 6:23:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, jg.hammink at quicknet.nl writes: << Started today to rebuild my "Red Devil" 3hp M >> John, Nice red engine! What is the extra hopper on the top? Not familiar with that. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From edstoller at earthlink.net Tue Nov 30 14:31:51 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:31:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic References: <20041126.122428.1280.4.jlb94@juno.com> <41A76D85.5050909@scrtc.com><41AC04B2.60203@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000b01c4d72c$65162720$49b6f504@x8h7l9> A friend of mine has a 1926 IH sitting next to his garden for a few decades. He says it has a two speed rear end. I think anyone could have it for the taking. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic > Hi Tommy; > Just remembered yesterday that a buddy/neighbor of mine has a PU. Don't > remember the year. He's over the pond now but can email him. Hopefully you > can find one closer. > > later, > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:27 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic > > > > Thanks Rick. I really want a PU if I can find one. > > TT > > > > > > > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > > > >Hi Tommy; > > > Got a '39... ton and a half dually stake body, but it is VERY tired. > > > > > >You might try www.stovebolt.com not to be confused with starbolt. > > > > > >Good Luck > > > > > >RickinMt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > >Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 10:53 AM > > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Joe, > > >> I have seen those at some of the local stores and have, on occasion, > > >>looked at them to see what some of old vehicles are in them. Ususally > > >>most of the vehicles are in the 10 - 20 year old range and I haven't > > >>haven't seen any '39 or '40 PU in them. But, I should pay more > > >>attention to them as if one is listed in them, it would probalby be a > > >>much better bargain than what I would find in one of the classic / > > >>antique vehicle trader publications. Thanks for the tip and I'll give > > >>them a view. > > >> > > >>TT > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>Hi Tommy, > > >>> > > >>>Around here (Pittsburgh, PA) we have a local magazine called "trader". > > >>> > > >>>Truck Trader - Car Trader - Antique Car Trader - Etc. > > >>> > > >>>It's available at the local convenience stores - FREE. and most of the > > >>>cars are local. > > >>> > > >>>See if you have them around you. > > >>>= = = = = = = = > > >>>= > > >>> = > > >>> > > >>>I would be leery of e-bay also, but I have a buddy that has bought a > > >>>couple cars from e-bay and he is well satisfied. > > >>> > > >>>Right now he is/was looking at a Green Chevy Caprice- I think '68. > > >>>Last > > >>>I looked > > >>>it was around $8,000 (Reserve Not Met) and it is a very nice looking > > >>>car. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > >>>jlb94 at juno.com > > >>>,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > > >>>\/)"(\/ when He was tired." > > >>>(_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > >>>_______________________________________________ > > >>>SEL mailing list > > >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>SEL mailing list > > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Nov 30 15:20:42 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 00:20:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Good engine day References: <7f.524bf16f.2ede4a97@aol.com> Message-ID: <000d01c4d733$36158360$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Tom, that's an extension hopper they were made for the Australian market. Several times I saw them in the show reports Patrick Livingstone shared with us and I asked him to find me one. When he visited Ron Sullivan a while ago he talked about it and Ron had one in the shed and sent it to me all the way to " Up above". I'm very glad with it and have to thank them again. I think it's a habit to have something different on M's :o)) Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > John, > > Nice red engine! What is the extra hopper on the top? Not familiar with > that. > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz From tberry6 at carolina.rr.com Tue Nov 30 18:29:25 2004 From: tberry6 at carolina.rr.com (Tommy Berry) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:29:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Scale Rock Crusher Message-ID: <000001c4d74d$96d40ef0$6401a8c0@TBerry> Curt has accused me of lurking on the list because I do not Post often.My name is Tommy Berry my wifes name is Beverly.We operate a small machine and fabrication shop In Kings Mtn. NC.One of my winter projects is a production run of small1/3 scale 4? x6? assey jaw crusher.It weighs about 25 lbs.It has6? x1 ?? flywheels. The little crusher can be powered by a large model such as Shellys Galloway or a 1 HP Tom thumb gas engine. The crusher comes with hardned jaw plates,cheek plates and screw jaw adjustment.Justlike the original. The price is 950.00 plus shipping. My email address is tberry6 at carolina.rr.com the shop Phone is 704-739-5913 M-F 8-6 . Other than models we collect and restore IHC engines Famous and Moguls also Ohio and Newway and Fairbanks engines. My friend Ray Medford and I displayed at Portland This year with the list Bunch.I have a subscriber for a year and haven?t posted because my comments on most engine issues would be echoes. Pray for me because I live halfway between the Roysters and Curt Holland. Tommy From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Nov 30 19:15:09 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:15:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Scale Rock Crusher In-Reply-To: <000001c4d74d$96d40ef0$6401a8c0@TBerry> References: <000001c4d74d$96d40ef0$6401a8c0@TBerry> Message-ID: <41AD373D.3070206@scrtc.com> Tommy, I've prayed for your wife quite often but not for you..... hey, I know your crusher project will be A-1 cause I know the quality of the work you do. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky >Pray for me because I live halfway between the Roysters and Curt Holland. >Tommy > > From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Nov 30 20:10:17 2004 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:10:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Scale Rock Crusher References: <000001c4d74d$96d40ef0$6401a8c0@TBerry> Message-ID: <002101c4d75b$aae756a0$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> You know, it does my heart good to know I have led another lying, cheatin, slandering, tractor riding FATG to prayer, bless his heart!!!!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Berry" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 9:29 PM Subject: [SEL] Scale Rock Crusher Curt has accused me of lurking on the list because I do not Post often.My name is Tommy Berry my wifes name is Beverly.We operate a small machine and fabrication shop In Kings Mtn. NC.One of my winter projects is a production run of small1/3 scale 4" x6" assey jaw crusher.It weighs about 25 lbs.It has6" x1 ?" flywheels. The little crusher can be powered by a large model such as Shellys Galloway or a 1 HP Tom thumb gas engine. The crusher comes with hardned jaw plates,cheek plates and screw jaw adjustment.Justlike the original. The price is 950.00 plus shipping. My email address is tberry6 at carolina.rr.com the shop Phone is 704-739-5913 M-F 8-6 . Other than models we collect and restore IHC engines Famous and Moguls also Ohio and Newway and Fairbanks engines. My friend Ray Medford and I displayed at Portland This year with the list Bunch.I have a subscriber for a year and haven't posted because my comments on most engine issues would be echoes. Pray for me because I live halfway between the Roysters and Curt Holland. Tommy _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Nov 30 22:11:47 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:11:47 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson info. Message-ID: <20041130.221148.284.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Is Verne Kindschi still the keeper of the F&J records? I thought I heard he passed the information to someone else. I am looking for the information on a 3hp serial no. 78652, already know the year. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Nov 29 21:46:10 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:46:10 -0000 Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help References: <20041129.210419.248.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <002201c4d69f$e68ab290$8c9f0952@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 1:41 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] clogged pipe help > Maybe I will try 1/2 denatured alcohol and 1/2 lacquer thinner like Curt > said > worked. > Careful when mixing flamable liquids. > I once mixed Gasoline & Kerosene in a smudge pot and lit it not realizing > what was mixed. > It worked okay untill I picked it up to move it. > About liked to blow my head off !! > Luckily - The pressure of gasoline igniting blew itself out. > Joe "Pip" Betz Is Denatured Alcohol in the US the same as the "Meths" or "Methylated spirits" we use in the UK? Ours is purple in colour & is Ethyl alcohol with Methyl alcohol added to make it undrinkable. (Mind you, we do think about drinking it when Arnie is over here overworking all our breweries) 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Nov 1 03:25:11 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:25:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories References: <200411010702.iA1725JM074977@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <003701c4c005$74a8de50$431becdc@km> G'Day Patrick I assume Kelly and Lewis engines were made at Castlemaine (Victoria), they are a leading pump and rail eguipment manufacture if that is the case their factory is still operating ? Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Nov 1 03:33:56 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:33:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: <003701c4c005$74a8de50$431becdc@km> Message-ID: <200411011134.iA1BY2FE044092@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Kerry, The company still exists as Thompsons Kelly & Lewis but I don't think they are in Castlemaine anymore. Their website shows their head office location in Mulgrave. Vic. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- G'Day Patrick I assume Kelly and Lewis engines were made at Castlemaine (Victoria), they are a leading pump and rail eguipment manufacture if that is the case their factory is still operating ? Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Nov 1 04:00:36 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:00:36 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Ottawa throttle governed 4hp question - buggered governor? Message-ID: <41862564.3090400@steamengine.com.au> The governor on my Ottawa 4hp has failed (just a part of my engine problems at Goldsmith on the weekend...). Looking at the mechanism as far as I can tell: - the butterfly valve has a spring on it which holds it normally closed (without the governor connection it sits closed) - the governor seems to pull back on the rod closing the valve I'm thinking that one of these is wrong - either there is a spring missing which would keep the valve normally open and only close it when the governor comes into play at the "right" speed, or the governor should hold the valve open against its spring until it reaches the right speed. Can someone who knows about Ottawa governors point me in the right direction? Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 1 04:14:56 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 06:14:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Peanut Roaster - Louisana Message-ID: <002a01c4c00c$686fbb70$210110ac@PaulMaples> ----- Original Message ----- From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 3:25 PM Subject: Peanut Roaster - Louisana Age is taking it's toll on me, cannot remember anything nor find anything. Who was the SEL member that lives in Louisiana that was building a peanut roaster last year using a beer barrel and a Maytag engine. He was the one I got my "Lever-Rite" engine from, a good friend of mine and I'll be darn if I can think of his name. Someone bail me out on this or if my friend is reading this please forgive me for forgetting your name and give me a shout. His name is right on the tip of my tongue yet the brain is gone. Help!! Paul From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Nov 1 04:20:09 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 12:20:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Alamo engine Message-ID: Stacy, Here is a link to a book in .pdf format that has alot of useful info in it: http://www.metalwebnews.com/howto/babbitt/babbitt.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============================== >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Stacy Leis >Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 10:04 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Alamo engine > > >Hi everyone > > Thank you Bill for the info, is there a web site that tells how to >poure >the babbit bearings? > > Stacy :-) > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Nov 1 04:24:18 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 12:24:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Peanut Roaster - Louisana Message-ID: Was it Bo Hinch? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ==================== >From: >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] Fw: Peanut Roaster - Louisana >Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 06:14:56 -0600 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net >To: The SEL email discussion list >Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 3:25 PM >Subject: Peanut Roaster - Louisana > > >Age is taking it's toll on me, cannot remember anything nor find anything. >Who was the SEL member that lives in Louisiana that was building a peanut >roaster last year using a beer barrel and a Maytag engine. He was the one I >got my "Lever-Rite" engine from, a good friend of mine and I'll be darn if >I can think of his name. Someone bail me out on this or if my friend is >reading this please forgive me for forgetting your name and give me a >shout. > >His name is right on the tip of my tongue yet the brain is gone. > >Help!! > >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 1 04:48:23 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 06:48:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Peanut Roaster - Louisana References: Message-ID: <003b01c4c011$14f34200$210110ac@PaulMaples> Doug, Luke, that is it, thanks guys. Just goes to show you are a lot younger than I am. WHAT ABOUT AN E-MAIL ADDRESS, I NEED TO TALK TO HIM. Thanks, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:24 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Fw: Peanut Roaster - Louisana > Was it Bo Hinch? > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ==================== > >>From: >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >> From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 1 05:01:40 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 07:01:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] "Lever-Rite" Engine References: Message-ID: <005001c4c012$eff79120$210110ac@PaulMaples> Bo has another "Lever-Rite" engine he is giving me so I have to contact him. I have not seem him on the list in a long time, I hope all is well with him and his family. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:24 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Fw: Peanut Roaster - Louisana > Was it Bo Hinch? > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ==================== > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 1 05:13:41 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 07:13:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Bo Hinch E-mail Address Message-ID: <006201c4c014$a1ca86e0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Can someone send me Bo's e-mail address. Need to contact him about a Lever-Rite engine. Thanks Paul From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Nov 1 05:52:06 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 08:52:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Surviving Factories In-Reply-To: <200411010702.iA1725JM074977@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <003801c4bdfd$383576e0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <200411010702.iA1725JM074977@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041101085029.0230b640@mail.alltel.net> At 02:01 AM 11/1/2004, you wrote: >You make a good point Ted. I have seen some interesting, let's say, >stretches of the truth ............ Quite often just clever wording >but sometimes just outright fabrications. >Patrick I'm not sure that this sort of politics re: John Kerry belongs on this List! Dave From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Nov 1 05:57:55 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:57:55 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Need Bo Hinch E-mail Address References: <006201c4c014$a1ca86e0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <001e01c4c01a$c9cb8ee0$6b856ad5@no1> Hi Paul, His photo site is at http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009275 & 2 years ago his E Mail was mmco at cox-internet.com Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 1:13 PM Subject: [SEL] Need Bo Hinch E-mail Address Can someone send me Bo's e-mail address. Need to contact him about a Lever-Rite engine. Thanks Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Nov 1 06:30:28 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 09:30:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Louisana- now my forgetter be forgotten OT In-Reply-To: <002a01c4c00c$686fbb70$210110ac@PaulMaples> References: <002a01c4c00c$686fbb70$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <41864884.7090701@imc-group.com> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: >Age is taking it's toll on me, cannot remember anything nor find anything. Who was the SEL member that lives in Louisiana that was building a peanut roaster last year using a beer barrel and a Maytag engine. He was the one I got my "Lever-Rite" engine from, a good friend of mine and I'll be darn if I can think of his name. Someone bail me out on this or if my friend is reading this please forgive me for forgetting your name and give me a shout. > A lot of us can relate Paul! Here is a poem to commiserate with you. Curt My Forgetter Be Forgotten My forgetter's getting better, But my rememberer is broke To you that may seem funny But, to me, that is no joke For when I'm "here" I'm wondering If I really should be "there" And, when I try to think it through, I haven't got a prayer! Oft times I walk into a room, Say "what am I here for?" I wrack my brain, but all in vain! A zero, is my score. At times I put something away Where it is safe, but, Gee! The person it is safest from Is, generally, me! When shopping I may see someone, Say "Hi" and have a chat, Then, when the person walks away I ask myself, "who was that?" Yes, my forgetter's getting better While my rememberer is broke, And it's driving me plumb crazy And that isn't any joke. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Nov 1 08:31:07 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:31:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner Message-ID: Howdy all; Picked up an burner this weekend for melting babbitt. It has the air pump. Do I use white gas (Coleman fuel) in this? And would it be relatively safe to say if it has an air pump and mantle, use white gas....if it has a wick, use kero?? Saw outfit just needs the truck tongue tricked out and then she'll be ready for fall wood cuttin'.....just in time. :-)) later, RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 1 09:58:43 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:58:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Bo Hinch E-mail Address References: <006201c4c014$a1ca86e0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <001e01c4c01a$c9cb8ee0$6b856ad5@no1> Message-ID: <004f01c4c03c$6f7054e0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Thanks Dave. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Bo Hinch E-mail Address > Hi Paul, His photo site is at > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009275 > & 2 years ago his E Mail was mmco at cox-internet.com > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Nov 1 11:05:54 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:05:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200411011906.iA1J66Wp057983@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Picked up an burner this weekend for melting babbitt. It > has the air pump. Do I use white gas (Coleman fuel) in this? Hi Rick, Are we talking about a fire pot, like a backpacking stove but with a lot more mojo? It probably takes kero. I run diesel in mine 'cuz it's easier to obtain. Gasoline vaporizes too quickly and doesn't put out enough BTU's to get the job done. Tips: 1. NEVER look down on the burner. If things aren't just so, it can squirt a stream of flaming fuel a couple feet in the air. 2. Treat your orifice GENTLY. If you make it too big by cleaning it aggressively, the burner will cease to function properly. 3. Protective gear is a really good idea. Exploding molten metal will ruin your wool Armani jacket and leave pits in your Revo glasses. Have fun and play safe. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Nov 1 14:07:03 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:07:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner References: <200411011906.iA1J66Wp057983@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Thank you Chuck..no Rob this burner is like an ole style blow torch. I remember Uncle Joe used to use just plain ole leaded regular pump gas in his blow torches. Probably could use the new pump gas in this. I believe not only was it used for melting babbitt but probably used by plumbers a day or two ago along with Lead and Oakum to seal the cast iron sewer pipes. Now that was a day or two ago!!! Thanks guys!! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 12:05 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner > > > Picked up an burner this weekend for melting babbitt. It > > has the air pump. Do I use white gas (Coleman fuel) in this? > > Hi Rick, > Are we talking about a fire pot, like a backpacking stove but with a lot > more > mojo? It probably takes kero. I run diesel in mine 'cuz it's easier to > obtain. > Gasoline vaporizes too quickly and doesn't put out enough BTU's to get the > job > done. > > Tips: > > 1. NEVER look down on the burner. If things aren't just so, it can > squirt a > stream of flaming fuel a couple feet in the air. > > 2. Treat your orifice GENTLY. If you make it too big by cleaning it > aggressively, the burner will cease to function properly. > > 3. Protective gear is a really good idea. Exploding molten metal will > ruin your > wool Armani jacket and leave pits in your Revo glasses. > > Have fun and play safe. > Rob > > > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Mon Nov 1 16:06:22 2004 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:06:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner In-Reply-To: <200411011906.iA1J66Wp057983@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: I just want to add a couple tips- -To avoid the exploding molten metal part don't drop cold chunks into an already molten pot of metal, if you're going to add more, it's a very good idea to preheat the metal before putting it in, this gets rid of the moisture which is what usually causes that... Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > Picked up an burner this weekend for melting babbitt. It > > has the air pump. Do I use white gas (Coleman fuel) in this? > > Hi Rick, > Are we talking about a fire pot, like a backpacking stove but with a lot more > mojo? It probably takes kero. I run diesel in mine 'cuz it's easier to obtain. > Gasoline vaporizes too quickly and doesn't put out enough BTU's to get the job > done. > > Tips: > > 1. NEVER look down on the burner. If things aren't just so, it can squirt a > stream of flaming fuel a couple feet in the air. > > 2. Treat your orifice GENTLY. If you make it too big by cleaning it > aggressively, the burner will cease to function properly. > > 3. Protective gear is a really good idea. Exploding molten metal will ruin your > wool Armani jacket and leave pits in your Revo glasses. > > Have fun and play safe. > Rob > > > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Mon Nov 1 16:38:19 2004 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:38:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've got one of the plumbers pots and a couple old blow torches laying around too. I liked to use the white fuel, it takes longer for it to go bad unlike gasoline and gasoline has a slightly lower evaporation temperature, meaning the warmer it gets inside the container the more pressure... white gas has a slightly higher evaporation point. Kerosine has a much higher evaporation point. I tried kerosine in both the torches and the plumbers pot and neither one would burn right. Kerosine burns too slow... >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Richard Strobel wrote: > Thank you Chuck..no Rob this burner is like an ole style blow torch. I > remember Uncle Joe used to use just plain ole leaded regular pump gas in his > blow torches. Probably could use the new pump gas in this. I believe not > only was it used for melting babbitt but probably used by plumbers a day or > two ago along with Lead and Oakum to seal the cast iron sewer pipes. > > Now that was a day or two ago!!! > > Thanks guys!! > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Skinner" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 12:05 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner > > > > > > > Picked up an burner this weekend for melting babbitt. It > > > has the air pump. Do I use white gas (Coleman fuel) in this? > > > > Hi Rick, > > Are we talking about a fire pot, like a backpacking stove but with a lot > > more > > mojo? It probably takes kero. I run diesel in mine 'cuz it's easier to > > obtain. > > Gasoline vaporizes too quickly and doesn't put out enough BTU's to get the > > job > > done. > > > > Tips: > > > > 1. NEVER look down on the burner. If things aren't just so, it can > > squirt a > > stream of flaming fuel a couple feet in the air. > > > > 2. Treat your orifice GENTLY. If you make it too big by cleaning it > > aggressively, the burner will cease to function properly. > > > > 3. Protective gear is a really good idea. Exploding molten metal will > > ruin your > > wool Armani jacket and leave pits in your Revo glasses. > > > > Have fun and play safe. > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > > Rob Skinner > > La Habra, California > > www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Nov 1 16:11:22 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:11:22 EST Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner Message-ID: <1e6.2daed019.2eb82aaa@aol.com> In a message dated 11/1/2004 11:35:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: << Picked up an burner this weekend for melting babbitt. It has the air pump. Do I use white gas (Coleman fuel) in this? >> Rick, I have one I picked up at an auction a couple of years ago that no one else wanted. I fired it up with Coleman fuel and high test gas. I think high test gas will work fine, just need to drain out due to going bad like you said. When I first fired mine up, I took it outside and placed it on top of the well concrete casing and had the fire extinguisher handy just in case. I did find one small fitting leak that needed tightening. Works just fine! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Nov 1 16:41:59 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:41:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner In-Reply-To: <200411011906.iA1J66Wp057983@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200411011906.iA1J66Wp057983@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <015BA976-2C68-11D9-88C2-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > 2. Treat your orifice GENTLY. Good advice, always. Don't want to blow an O-ring. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 1 16:39:10 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:39:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner Message-ID: <20041101.194139.1080.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hey Rich, I know there's a bunch of Blow Torch sites out there. I use a blow torch every now & then when I solder. Try a search for Plumbers Stoves ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Nov 1 20:58:35 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:58:35 -0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: First Hit Miss Engine In-Reply-To: <005701c4c07c$c048f120$42c8f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <200411020458.iA24wlAD056589@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Congratulations Ed! Your engine was built in 1936 according to Wendel's Notebook. The mag is a WICO Model EK. Be gentle in trying to remove the valves and the piston ring. For me, I like to gently tap the ring into the groove, going around and around until it moves freely. No matter how you approach it, take your time. Rob From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Nov 2 02:09:27 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:09:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] For those of you discussing NHMA Insurance - Please read this... Message-ID: <41875CD7.50404@steamengine.com.au> I have reproduced on my site the information that has been provided to the secretaries of the NHMA affiliated clubs. This information is for all club members covered under the NHMA policies. Since not everyone in every club is likely to be shown this information I've taken the liberty of publishing it for members of NHMA affiliated clubs. I have reproduced the article out of journalistic interest and to allow INFORMED debate over the insurance matters. http://www.steamengine.com.au/misc/nhma/insurance2004.html Please don't flame me for taking "their" side as people did some time ago when I published the safety guidelines on my site. I'm providing the information to allow informed debate. Out of interest the guidelines are still available: http://www.steamengine.com.au/misc/nhma/safety_guidelines.html http://www.steamengine.com.au/misc/nhma/tractor_guidelines.html Note that these copies are about two years old and I know the guidelines have changed. I'll get a copy out of my club secretary and update the documents when I get a chance to. Sadly NHMA STILL have not put them online despite my repeated offers to them of free hosting. Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Nov 2 03:34:49 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 19:34:49 +0800 Subject: [SEL] re those of us discussing insurance Message-ID: <001501c4c0cf$fa0dace0$9ea226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Paul ...at last answers to those questions we have asked . I cant understand anyone who objects to this . But rest assured the objectors will soon be heard. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From froberts at dodo.com.au Mon Nov 1 15:56:21 2004 From: froberts at dodo.com.au (Fred Roberts) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:56:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Louisana- now my forgetter be forgotten OT References: <002a01c4c00c$686fbb70$210110ac@PaulMaples> <41864884.7090701@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <007b01c4c06e$63fa4c60$d185dccb@froberts> >Curt I loved your poem, how damn true it is I think I over taxed my little brain when I was younger. Regards Fred From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 2 17:28:37 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 19:28:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Curt Andree Telephone Number Message-ID: <00b001c4c144$7370b680$210110ac@PaulMaples> Can someone send me Curt's home telephone number, I am trying to call him. Thanks Paul From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Tue Nov 2 18:26:19 2004 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 21:26:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner References: Message-ID: <001401c4c14c$80fe6f10$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> Hi Rick; Pump that puppy up and make sure it will hold pressure without leaking. Minor leaks can ignite without major problems, but you definitely want to be sure there are no big leaks before any fire is involved. I've fixed hundreds ( no exaggeration ) of Coleman products and similar, including "Coleman Gas Plants" which are like a lead melting stove on steroids. Most run on white gas, but there were a lot of mantle lanterns made for kerosene only also. I have never seen a kerosene blowtorch, but I bet they are out there too. The vaporizing tubes for kerosene are generally larger than their gas counterparts, other than that they are so similar as to make it hard to tell them apart. Another thing to be looking for, especially on deep-drawn brass fuel tanks, is cracking. Even if it holds pressure, if there are vertical cracks in the brass fuel tank I would not use it. The potential for a really ugly and painful accident is there, so a little respect and preventative maintenance is in order. Good Luck! Best Regards; Jim Mackessy Syracuse, New York, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 11:31 AM Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner > Howdy all; > Picked up an burner this weekend for melting babbitt. It has the air > pump. Do I use white gas (Coleman fuel) in this? > From MBellar at aol.com Wed Nov 3 06:19:30 2004 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 09:19:30 EST Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner Message-ID: <191.316be765.2eba42f2@aol.com> In a message dated 11/2/2004 11:38:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, jmackess at twcny.rr.com writes: Hi Rick; Pump that puppy up and make sure it will hold pressure without leaking. Minor leaks can ignite without major problems, but you definitely want to be sure there are no big leaks before any fire is involved. Rick; I had a plumber's burner that appeared to work fine. To my dismay I found that if it needed to be pumped up while it is fired, sometimes it would spray fuel back through the pump onto my hand causing a awshit situation. Be careful and shut the burner off before operating the pump. I was able to solve the problem by trashing the burner. Tom Bellar From paul at semidiesel.com Wed Nov 3 21:07:18 2004 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 05:07:18 -0000 Subject: [SEL] A Complaint In-Reply-To: <103020040931.25867.1c8e@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Received the following email tonight from Jeff Allen " ordered my DVD from the museum on Sept. 28th. If finally arrived today, and that is very slow service in my opinion. I ordered NTSC format and got PAL, but my player on the computer has no problem with that. Still not the format I ordered though. The final insult is that it will not play and my drive won't recognize that there is media in it. Checked the drive with a PAL format DVD that I have and it played fine. It is not worth the time or trouble to send it back, so I guess I made a contribution. I am not sure how I will handle this on the SEL list, but it needs to be addressed. I really hate to see other list members go through this and should warn them. I'll sleep on it for now, but not happy here. " So to avoid him having to sleep on it I'm posting it for him. I've refunded his payment and will post him another DVD FOC in the morning. We have been having a lot of problems here trying to keep the museum up and running and for what it is worth I've just come out of hospital for the second time in 8 weeks and don't need the hassle so don't order anything! Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/04 From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 3 21:18:08 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:18:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic Message-ID: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Hi all, just got off the phone with Edd Payne, he says he and Patrick L. have not gotten anything from the list for two days. I got to thinking that it has been slow, though I was busy whatching the returns last night, iy seems I have only recieved 5 messages from SEL for the last two days, whats up ? are we alone or is it just slow? Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Nov 3 22:09:12 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 22:09:12 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic In-Reply-To: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <200411040609.iA469FSH060553@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > I got to thinking that it has been slow, though I was busy > whatching the > returns last night, iy seems I have only recieved 5 messages > from SEL for > the last two days, whats up ? are we alone or is it just slow? Heya Ted, I've been busy in the garage working on long-neglected projects. This evening I started making some spacers for one of my three jaw chucks that will allow me to grind them true again. I've never done this, but have read of a couple different ways to go about it. The chuck is well worn so it will never be perfect again, but it should come out considerably better than it is now. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Nov 4 00:12:48 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:12:48 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic In-Reply-To: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <8vojo05sbi3588oqdl14mm4tfal2qaph0d@4ax.com> On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:18:08 -0600, you wrote: >Hi all, just got off the phone with Edd Payne, he says he and Patrick L. >have not gotten anything from the list for two days. > >I got to thinking that it has been slow, though I was busy whatching the >returns last night, iy seems I have only recieved 5 messages from SEL for >the last two days, whats up ? are we alone or is it just slow? >Ted Brookover Hi Ted: We've been at a rail equipment exhibition all week, but there hasn't been much on the PC when we got back each evening, so you're not alone. Traffic on the usenet sites is down as well, and a lot of folks were caught up in the Presidential elections over on your side which kept them quiet! :-)) Smokestak has been quiet also, so it all seems to be a general trend for a few days, it will soon bounce back. Peter From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Nov 4 04:02:18 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 23:02:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Sort of OT: Odd iron on building Message-ID: <200411041202.iA4C2IdO089995@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Someone pointed out to me something strange in this picture: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240539.JPG The corrugated iron on the building is laid horizontally and not vertically (as is more usual). I think I have seen this a couple of times and Edd says he has seen it a few times. Does anyone have an idea why it would have been done this way? Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From marvhed at ecenet.com Thu Nov 4 04:36:04 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 06:36:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] OT sorta --Jensen pump jack info wanted In-Reply-To: <8vojo05sbi3588oqdl14mm4tfal2qaph0d@4ax.com> References: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <8vojo05sbi3588oqdl14mm4tfal2qaph0d@4ax.com> Message-ID: <30833.199.62.0.252.1099571764.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> i recently purchased a Jensen pump jack. (looks like a miniature oil well pump) i'm looking for operating speed info and the design of the cable clamps to the pump rod. i plan on running it with an IH LB engine. will i need an additional speed reducer jack shaft?" thanks, marv in minn. From curt at imc-group.com Thu Nov 4 04:43:13 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 07:43:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sort of OT: Odd iron on building In-Reply-To: <200411041202.iA4C2IdO089995@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200411041202.iA4C2IdO089995@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <418A23E1.9060602@imc-group.com> Patrick, Structural beam (post) spacing? Hanging vertical would have meant having to install structure between the posts to suppost the joint. Just a guess. Nice picture with your engine. Just curious why the Tippett name is not on the building too? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC curt at imc-group.com Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >Someone pointed out to me something strange in this picture: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240539.JPG > >The corrugated iron on the building is laid horizontally and not vertically >(as is more usual). I think I have seen this a couple of times and Edd says >he has seen it a few times. Does anyone have an idea why it would have been >done this way? >Patrick > > > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Nov 4 04:41:44 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 04:41:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Sort of OT: Odd iron on building In-Reply-To: <200411041202.iA4C2IdO089995@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200411041202.iA4C2IdO089995@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <37069.165.206.180.118.1099572104.squirrel@165.206.180.118> I've seen that quite a bit on larger buildings - and one fellow told me it was because there were fewer vertical seams which are harder to keep the weather out of. Horizontal seams are better/easier to keep the rain out of so more of them is less of an issue. At least that was his explanation. Strength could be a factor (just guessing) as the sheets tie more uprights together laid as they are. Again, that one is simply a guess. Could be there was no reason, just the preference of the person putting it up! Bill > Someone pointed out to me something strange in this picture: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240539.JPG > > The corrugated iron on the building is laid horizontally and not > vertically > (as is more usual). I think I have seen this a couple of times and Edd > says > he has seen it a few times. Does anyone have an idea why it would have > been > done this way? > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Nov 4 05:32:00 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:32:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sort of OT: Odd iron on building In-Reply-To: <200411041202.iA4C2IdO089995@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200411041202.iA4C2IdO089995@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041104083139.02361ec0@mail.alltel.net> At 07:02 AM 11/4/2004, you wrote: >Someone pointed out to me something strange in this picture: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rtc04/0410240539.JPG > >The corrugated iron on the building is laid horizontally and not vertically >(as is more usual). I think I have seen this a couple of times and Edd says >he has seen it a few times. Does anyone have an idea why it would have been >done this way? >Patrick That's the way it fit best! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Nov 4 05:47:50 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:47:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic In-Reply-To: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041104083411.0233b5a0@mail.alltel.net> >I got to thinking that it has been slow, though I was busy whatching the >returns last night, iy seems I have only recieved 5 messages from SEL for >the last two days, whats up ? are we alone or is it just slow? >Ted Brookover Hi Ted, I can't speak for others, but I've been out shooting my guns in the air, drinking beer, and just generally celebrating the loss of that FRENCH looking candidate for president of our great country! Dave PS, Did you know that "W" got the MOST votes EVER cast for a President of the USA? (About 4,000,000 more than that FRENCH looking guy!) PPS, Did you know that he is the first president in a LONG TIME to get over 50% of the vote? (Think that Reagan was the last one.) PPPS, I just knew that the American public was not as stupid as the polls were showing! PPPPS, I'm also in the process of restoring a United States Air Compressor built in Cleveland OH. (1930/40's?) S/N 655 SC--any idea how I can get an exact date on it? PPPPPS, Sorry this went to the List, I meant it to go to Ted directly, but pushed the "send" button before I remembered to change the address! PPPPPPS, This is the last "PS" From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Nov 4 05:48:34 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 06:48:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner References: <191.316be765.2eba42f2@aol.com> Message-ID: Appreciate the info guys. Here's a pix of the fire pot and a neat blowtorch..Don't know why but it's got two jets. http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/211469074Tanhks Take Care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner > In a message dated 11/2/2004 11:38:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, > jmackess at twcny.rr.com writes: > > Hi Rick; > Pump that puppy up and make sure it will hold pressure without leaking. > Minor > leaks can ignite without major problems, but you definitely want to be > sure > there > are no big leaks before any fire is involved. > > Rick; > > I had a plumber's burner that appeared to work fine. To my dismay I found > that if it needed to be pumped up while it is fired, sometimes it would > spray > fuel back through the pump onto my hand causing a awshit situation. Be > careful > and shut the burner off before operating the pump. I was able to solve the > problem by trashing the burner. > > Tom Bellar > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mtucker at uky.edu Thu Nov 4 06:01:55 2004 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:01:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic : NOW Election info In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041104083411.0233b5a0@mail.alltel.net> References: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <6.1.2.0.0.20041104083411.0233b5a0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: >PPS, Did you know that he is the first president in a LONG TIME to >get over 50% of the vote? (Think that Reagan was the last one.) Dave, Bush 41 was the last one in 1988 (53%). Here is an interesting site with presidential election results all the way back to 1789. See ya', Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From mtucker at uky.edu Thu Nov 4 06:19:02 2004 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:19:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic : NOW Election info Message-ID: >PPS, Did you know that he is the first president in a LONG TIME to >get over 50% of the vote? (Think that Reagan was the last one.) Dave, Bush 41 was the last one in 1988 (53%). Here is an interesting site with presidential election results all the way back to 1789. OOOOPS! http://uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT/ -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From EnginePaul at aol.com Thu Nov 4 06:41:56 2004 From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:41:56 EST Subject: [SEL] Sort of OT: Odd iron on building Message-ID: <53.19d5e775.2ebb99b4@aol.com> Distance between upright members can we wider with this layout = less cost for same strength. As for acting as a rain screen, as long as there is an overlap it wouldn't make much difference which way they were oriented. This is a guess; I'm not considering wind driven rain that is a factor in some areas as is seismic (earthquake) resistance which is pretty much the same as high wind resistance. Of course the best fit in the opinion of the builder is probably a good explanation. Shorter buildings are usually vertical so you won't have to trim as many panels. If I were building a shed, I'd make the side as high as the closest standard sheet. Paul, Former contractor, but still no expert From curt at imc-group.com Thu Nov 4 06:48:08 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:48:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT sorta --Jensen pump jack info wanted In-Reply-To: <30833.199.62.0.252.1099571764.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <8vojo05sbi3588oqdl14mm4tfal2qaph0d@4ax.com> <30833.199.62.0.252.1099571764.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <418A4128.9030309@imc-group.com> MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: >i recently purchased a Jensen pump jack. >(looks like a miniature oil well pump) >i'm looking for operating speed info and the design of the cable clamps to >the pump rod. > >i plan on running it with an IH LB engine. >will i need an additional speed reducer jack shaft?" > >thanks, marv in minn. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Marv, This spring I hauled one back to NC for a collector. The other day he told me he had it back together and had gotten his parts from the factory. Apparently they are still in business and have lots of old stock in inventory. I'd guess they can help you with speed ratio recommendations vs. HP input. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC curt at imc-group.com From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Nov 4 07:22:52 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:22:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic References: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <001301c4c282$28b1e260$64b0f504@x8h7l9> I have been busy out collecting old iron. Finally got my first hit miss, a Stover CT2 ( needs a mag) , a couple of twin Wisconsin's from a New Holland bailer, a Hobart light plant with a 4 cylinder Hercules, and a pump I don't need but had to rescue anyway. I have to finish the restoration of my Kohler 800 generator before I start something else. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Brookover" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 12:18 AM Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic > Hi all, just got off the phone with Edd Payne, he says he and Patrick L. > have not gotten anything from the list for two days. > > I got to thinking that it has been slow, though I was busy whatching the > returns last night, iy seems I have only recieved 5 messages from SEL for > the last two days, whats up ? are we alone or is it just slow? > Ted Brookover > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > 816-763-3142 > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Nov 4 07:25:35 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:25:35 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Sort of OT: Odd iron on building References: <53.19d5e775.2ebb99b4@aol.com> Message-ID: <002201c4c282$87db74e0$6b856ad5@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sort of OT: Odd iron on building Big Snip > Of course the best fit in the opinion of the builder is probably a good > explanation. Shorter buildings are usually vertical so you won't have to trim as > many panels. If I were building a shed, I'd make the side as high as the closest > standard sheet. > Paul, Perhaps if you lean your broom against the wall it isn't as likely to slip sideways. 8^) Dave Croft From stevebarr at ameritech.net Thu Nov 4 07:32:00 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 07:32:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT sorta --Jensen pump jack info wanted In-Reply-To: <30833.199.62.0.252.1099571764.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <20041104153200.6370.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Marvin My Dad purchased one earlier this year and has done some work on it. I snapped these pics this moring on the way out. (didn't bother to move any junck that was in front of it. We haven't researched the speed yet, http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/EngineEquip/jensenpumpjack.htm There are 2 smaller pumpjacks, but this is the smallest one that looks like its bigger brothers. Flat weights on the beam and coutnter weights. Steve PS - my dad is a FATG...ac b in the background..I just purchased a 1942 IH H over the weekend...I don't know why, but it has a loader and I can pick engines to move them around. Pic is on my auction result page. --- MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: i recently purchased a Jensen pump jack. (looks like a miniature oil well pump) i'm looking for operating speed info and the design of the cable clamps to the pump rod. i plan on running it with an IH LB engine. will i need an additional speed reducer jack shaft?" thanks, marv in minn. ===== ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From marvhed at ecenet.com Thu Nov 4 07:55:06 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:55:06 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] OT sorta --Jensen pump jack info wanted In-Reply-To: <20041104153200.6370.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <30833.199.62.0.252.1099571764.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> <20041104153200.6370.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46938.199.62.0.252.1099583706.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> steve, thanks for the pics!! same style but mine is smaller than that, under 3' tall. the cable rod clamps would be the same. i understand that mine would have been used for water wells. i have found a phone # for jensen. i'll let you know if it's correct. marv in minn > Marvin > > My Dad purchased one earlier this year and has done some work on it. I > snapped these pics this moring on the way out. (didn't bother to move any > junck that was in front of it. We haven't researched the speed yet, > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/EngineEquip/jensenpumpjack.htm > > There are 2 smaller pumpjacks, but this is the smallest one that looks > like its bigger brothers. Flat weights on the beam and coutnter weights. > > Steve > PS - my dad is a FATG...ac b in the background..I just purchased a 1942 IH > H over the weekend...I don't know why, but it has a loader and I can pick > engines to move them around. Pic is on my auction result page. > > --- MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > > i recently purchased a Jensen pump jack. > (looks like a miniature oil well pump) > i'm looking for operating speed info and the design of the cable clamps > to the pump rod. > > i plan on running it with an IH LB engine. > will i need an additional speed reducer jack shaft?" > > thanks, marv in minn. > > > ===== > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr > stevebarr at ameritech.net > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Nov 4 08:27:22 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:27:22 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT sorta --Jensen pump jack info wanted In-Reply-To: <30833.199.62.0.252.1099571764.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <200411041627.iA4GRP7u075217@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > i recently purchased a Jensen pump jack. > (looks like a miniature oil well pump) > i'm looking for operating speed info and the design of the > cable clamps to the pump rod. Hi Marv, IIRC, there is an aluminum tag specifying the cpm. Kelley's Jensen is offsite right now, but I'll try to stop by and get some data today. Rob From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Nov 4 08:56:36 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:56:36 EST Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner Message-ID: Rick, Here are two pictures of my heaters. Both operate off white gas. One is for melting babbit and the second is a very unusual soldering iron heater that will heat two or more irons at a time. Never seen one like it before acquiring it at an auction a few weeks ago. http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/iron%20heater.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/babbit%20heater.jpg Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From George_Best at adp.com Thu Nov 4 09:49:51 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:49:51 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Revitalizing your club Message-ID: Get your mind out of the gutter! ;-) I'm talking about the engine club you most likely belong to. Maybe you're lucky and belong to a club that is energized and growing, however a lot of us belong to clubs that have existed for years and to be honest are in a state of decline. What are some of the things you're club does which gets the membership involved in the club? Of course most clubs have one or more shows a year, but what else do you do? For example my club every winter has a class on the last Saturday of each month. These classes cover most of the restoration topics related to our hobby. We occasionally have a guest speaker come in to demonstrate something or club members put on part of a class. After doing these classes for years, most of us are attending mostly due to the social aspects of talking to our buddies to find out what they're working on, etc. My club has four general meetings during the year (Feb,Apr,Jun,Oct) and these meeting are generally hosted by one of the club members with a larger collection and room to accommodate the 40-50 people that may show up. We have two other meetings, but the Dec one is for election of officers and is held at a restaurant. The Aug meeting is basically a ice cream social held during our main show. I've toyed with the idea of trying to get more members involved by having an "open shop" program or programs. One version is for members who would like to show their collection/shop/projects/etc to select a date and have it published in the club newsletter. It would be an open invitation for people to come by between 9am and 3pm (or any time period the person wants to set). The idea is for members to select dates not conflicting with club meetings and events. Ideally, a club would have enough members interested in doing this that throughout the year most Saturday's excluding show weekends would have one or more members having a "open shop". Another version would be to have some members host a weekly shop night. I did this several years ago with another club member. Every Monday night during the winter he'd come over to my shop and we'd work on his engine or one of my projects. I still pretty much have Monday night as my night out in the shop, but I'm on my own now. So if there were members with nice shops willing to let others come over to work on projects, that would be another option. Comments? George From nancydick at keyconn.net Thu Nov 4 12:55:35 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:55:35 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Sort of OT: Odd iron on building In-Reply-To: <53.19d5e775.2ebb99b4@aol.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20041104125306.00b49ca0@mail.keyconn.net> Paul i don't know about your area but around here we can get them up to 40 feet. That would be a tall building. And as you said Former Contractor But i still don't know any thing. R Fink PA At 09:41 AM 11/4/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Distance between upright members can we wider with this layout = less cost >for same strength. As for acting as a rain screen, as long as there is an >overlap it wouldn't make much difference which way they were oriented. >This is a guess; I'm not considering wind driven rain that is a factor in >some areas as is seismic (earthquake) resistance which is pretty much the >same as >high wind resistance. > >Of course the best fit in the opinion of the builder is probably a good >explanation. Shorter buildings are usually vertical so you won't have to >trim as >many panels. If I were building a shed, I'd make the side as high as the >closest >standard sheet. > >Paul, >Former contractor, but still no expert >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Nov 4 10:49:39 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:49:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041104083411.0233b5a0@mail.alltel.net> References: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <6.1.2.0.0.20041104083411.0233b5a0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <486B6EE3-2E92-11D9-BB57-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Probably not the last BS, though. :-D John On Nov 4, 2004, at 8:47 AM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > PPPPPPS, This is the last "PS" (I'm happy about it, too, BTW.) John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From shop at cccomm.net Thu Nov 4 11:35:11 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:35:11 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Hercules/Economy engine Message-ID: <03a101c4c2a5$67482430$6501a8c0@Shop> The Hercules/Economy engine is just about compete except for a few parts that are coming from Hit & Miss. The red background on the Economy decal didn't come out in the photos as well as I would have liked, but in one of the photos you can see enough of it to get the idea. The red really stands out. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31299772 Dave From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Nov 4 12:35:07 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:35:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner Message-ID: <20041104.153955.812.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rick, Couple a good looking units you got there. And - everyone said I was going to blow myself up !!! I think I'll let you do it first. As for the blowtorch having 2 jets (orfaces) - >From my experience - One is for Gasoline - One is for Kerosene but don't know which.. Check out some sites: http://members.aol.com/blotorches/ http://people.ne.mediaone.net/wasser/NEMES/BlowTorch.html http://www.syrupmakers.com/temp/blowtorch.jpg http://www.syrupmakers.com/temp/blowtorch2.jpg www.blowtorch.net Good Luck. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Nov 4 06:32:08 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:32:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic : NOW Election info In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041104093122.02336650@mail.alltel.net> Thanks Mike, I knew it must have been someone with an "R" after his name! Dave At 09:19 AM 11/4/2004, you wrote: >>PPS, Did you know that he is the first president in a LONG TIME to get >>over 50% of the vote? (Think that Reagan was the last one.) > >Dave, > >Bush 41 was the last one in 1988 (53%). Here is an interesting site with >presidential election results all the way back to 1789. > >OOOOPS! >http://uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT/ >-- >____________________ >Michael Tucker >Midway, Kentucky, USA >mtucker at uky.edu >____________________ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Nov 4 13:32:36 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:32:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner References: Message-ID: I've never seen the first one, Tom. The second one is similiar to mine....both very nice. Thanks for taking the time! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner > Rick, > > Here are two pictures of my heaters. Both operate off white gas. One is > for > melting babbit and the second is a very unusual soldering iron heater that > will heat two or more irons at a time. Never seen one like it before > acquiring > it at an auction a few weeks ago. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/iron%20heater.jpg > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/babbit%20heater.jpg > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Nov 4 14:41:15 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:41:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] How much gap Message-ID: Howdy again; Well the "T" Bar handle has been turned on the lathe and installed on the Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit's truck tongue. She's almost done..whew!! Question please; When the exhaust valve is fully open, how much overlap/gap should there be between the two "latches?" The cam sure seems to hit the push bar roller hard and it's very noticeable. I would guess just enough gap so it does latch up and no more, but that's a guess. Help RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 4 17:39:48 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:39:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart Message-ID: <006601c4c2d8$5ff961c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Can anyone point me to a good source for information on how to make wagon wheels? I want to make a set for a cart I am going to build, I will need them to be smaller that a standard wheel but capable of carrying the weight of the engine? From galoway4 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 4 11:33:43 2004 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:33:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic References: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <6.1.2.0.0.20041104083411.0233b5a0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <002901c4c2a5$33c7c8e0$82d55a42@jake> Well the vote was great. Only 51% with I.Q. of 80 or less Arthur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Very little traffic > >>I got to thinking that it has been slow, though I was busy whatching the >>returns last night, iy seems I have only recieved 5 messages from SEL for >>the last two days, whats up ? are we alone or is it just slow? >>Ted Brookover > > Hi Ted, > I can't speak for others, but I've been out shooting my guns in > the air, drinking beer, and just generally celebrating the loss of that > FRENCH looking candidate for president of our great country! > Dave > PS, Did you know that "W" got the MOST votes EVER cast for a President of > the USA? (About 4,000,000 more than that FRENCH looking guy!) > PPS, Did you know that he is the first president in a LONG TIME to get > over 50% of the vote? (Think that Reagan was the last one.) > PPPS, I just knew that the American public was not as stupid as the polls > were showing! > PPPPS, I'm also in the process of restoring a United States Air Compressor > built in Cleveland OH. (1930/40's?) S/N 655 SC--any idea how I can get an > exact date on it? > PPPPPS, Sorry this went to the List, I meant it to go to Ted directly, but > pushed the "send" button before I remembered to change the address! > PPPPPPS, This is the last "PS" > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Nov 4 22:58:15 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 06:58:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Military engine/genny manual wanted in the USA Message-ID: <7v8mo0h19k1k77r44f0l9p5hftvhpuk6h9@4ax.com> I had a request for help from Jim in the USA for a military genset manual TM5-2805-208, engine is a Wisconsin 2-cylinder. Jim's email address is: jaycay28 at wmconnect.com If anyone can assist, please let me know or contact Jim directly please. Peter From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Thu Nov 4 23:14:42 2004 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 18:14:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Ignitor? Message-ID: <001701c4c307$205930c0$57741dd3@fred> Can anyone tell me where I can buy a set of Ignitor points and springs for a 1H.P. Mogul ? Brian in Melbourne. From cgandree at mchsi.com Fri Nov 5 04:26:35 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 12:26:35 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic Message-ID: <110520041226.22172.6514@mchsi.com> Dave, Was having the same celebration around here....but did you and your local boys do anything about that damned "prohibitional policy" on buying beer at the local gas station like most normal states enjoy??????? Curt > > >I got to thinking that it has been slow, though I was busy whatching the > >returns last night, iy seems I have only recieved 5 messages from SEL for > >the last two days, whats up ? are we alone or is it just slow? > >Ted Brookover > > Hi Ted, > I can't speak for others, but I've been out shooting my guns in > the air, drinking beer, and just generally celebrating the loss of that > FRENCH looking candidate for president of our great country! > Dave > PS, Did you know that "W" got the MOST votes EVER cast for a President of > the USA? (About 4,000,000 more than that FRENCH looking guy!) > PPS, Did you know that he is the first president in a LONG TIME to get over > 50% of the vote? (Think that Reagan was the last one.) > PPPS, I just knew that the American public was not as stupid as the polls > were showing! > PPPPS, I'm also in the process of restoring a United States Air Compressor > built in Cleveland OH. (1930/40's?) S/N 655 SC--any idea how I can get an > exact date on it? > PPPPPS, Sorry this went to the List, I meant it to go to Ted directly, but > pushed the "send" button before I remembered to change the address! > PPPPPPS, This is the last "PS" > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Nov 4 18:40:22 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:40:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Birmingham BKB England AC Generator Message-ID: <002a01c4c2e0$cc6b1850$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Forwarded message. Please contact directly if you can help. Thanks, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Lenn George To: transteck at earthlink.net Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 1:08 PM Subject: Birmingham BKB England AC Generator We came across your site on the internet. We are looking for some information on a power plant manufactured by Birmingham BKB England. The serial number on the generator is 61249/9 and the plant number is 106470/001/PB. The specific information we require is the schematic/electrical wiring diagram and the specification plate information for the generator. Maybe a manual might be available for the generator. Information on the engine (Number is 3303095ST2C06) is easily available, however no one seems to be able to help with the generator aspect of it. We'll appreciate any assistance. From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Fri Nov 5 14:07:26 2004 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:07:26 EST Subject: [SEL] My Mail Stopped!! Message-ID: <1e.37b7e047.2ebd539e@aol.com> Hi Spencer, My mail from the SEL just stopped.......got any ideas? Thanks in advance, (just in case you are able to perform your magic!) WinkAndGinger at aol.com Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV Members of W.A.P.A, (Western Antique Power Associates) The older the violin....the sweeter the music! From galoway4 at earthlink.net Fri Nov 5 16:01:49 2004 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 18:01:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <000801c4c393$d26a30c0$28da5a42@jake> From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Nov 5 19:05:29 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:05:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Sort of OT: Odd iron on building In-Reply-To: <418A23E1.9060602@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200411060305.iA635Piw015268@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Curt, The front section of the building has long ago been demolished. The side wall (which is in the picture) once proudly said Ronaldson Bros & Tippett but the Tippett part of the wall is gone. I think all that is holding the rest of the building up is its reputation as the structure seems to be in a bad way :( Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Patrick, Structural beam (post) spacing? Hanging vertical would have meant having to install structure between the posts to suppost the joint. Just a guess. Nice picture with your engine. Just curious why the Tippett name is not on the building too? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC curt at imc-group.com From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Nov 5 19:25:06 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:25:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] United States Air Compressor Date! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041104083411.0233b5a0@mail.alltel.net> References: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> <6.1.2.0.0.20041104083411.0233b5a0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041105220733.02185b48@mail.alltel.net> >PPPPS, I'm also in the process of restoring a United States Air Compressor >built in Cleveland OH. (1930/40's?) S/N 655 SC--any idea how I can get an >exact date on it? Tonight while readying the air tank for this compressor for paint, I came across a tag on it. The tag read: Air-Tic Steel Tank Designed and Tested For 200 pounds Working Pressure Pittsburgh, PA 1926 The "200" and the "1926" were stamped into the tag. This leads me to believe that the compressor (S/N 655 SC) was built in about 1926. Dave PS, Yes it is "Air-Tic" not Air-Tec! From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 5 20:06:24 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 22:06:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart References: <006601c4c2d8$5ff961c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <012f01c4c3b5$fd77cbc0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Wow, this message was posted yesterday at 7:39 PM and just now reached the SEL, Bin Laden insurgents must have gotten a hold of it. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:39 PM Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart Can anyone point me to a good source for information on how to make wagon wheels? I want to make a set for a cart I am going to build, I will need them to be smaller that a standard wheel but capable of carrying the weight of the engine? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Nov 5 20:35:50 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 20:35:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart Message-ID: <20041105.203551.804.5.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Paul. Does this do any good? http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/cart/ Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:39:48 -0600 writes: > Can anyone point me to a good source for information on how to make > wagon wheels? I want to make a set for a cart I am going to build, I > will need them to be smaller that a standard wheel but capable of > carrying the weight of the engine? > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From christison at coastalnet.com Fri Nov 5 19:54:50 2004 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 22:54:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart Message-ID: <410-22004116635450906@coastalnet.com> Paul, Here are a couple of sites that might help. http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold/wheels/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/cart/ Both pages are by list members. Take care. Ken > [Original Message] > From: > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 11/5/2004 10:49:57 PM > Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart > > Can anyone point me to a good source for information on how to make wagon wheels? I want to make a set for a cart I am going to build, I will need them to be smaller that a standard wheel but capable of carrying the weight of the engine? From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sat Nov 6 01:20:42 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:20:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Bush Mill Railway Auction (includes engines & sawmill) in Tassie Message-ID: <418C976A.4000806@steamengine.com.au> It is a pity this little railway and sawmill has closed down. Might be interesting to some list members... http://www.statewideauctions.com.au/5165.html -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From oldengin at udata.com Sat Nov 6 02:15:11 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 05:15:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] BIG HELP In-Reply-To: <012f01c4c3b5$fd77cbc0$210110ac@PaulMaples> References: <006601c4c2d8$5ff961c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <012f01c4c3b5$fd77cbc0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <418CA42F.9070905@udata.com> I have a big help question here I need some way to load a 18,000 lb chunk of steel??? Anyone near Fostoria Ohio that could help?? More if any response -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Nov 6 06:03:56 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:03:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] BIG HELP In-Reply-To: <418CA42F.9070905@udata.com> References: <006601c4c2d8$5ff961c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <012f01c4c3b5$fd77cbc0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <418CA42F.9070905@udata.com> Message-ID: SO Leroy, does this hunk of steel have flywheels? See ya, Arnie On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Leroy C. wrote: > I have a big help question here I need some way to load a 18,000 lb > chunk of steel??? Anyone near Fostoria Ohio that could help?? More if > any response From alanb2 at webtv.net Fri Nov 5 21:58:56 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 00:58:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart In-Reply-To: 's message of Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:39:48 -0600 Message-ID: <17061-418C6820-1871@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net> Hi Paul, Go to your local scrapy. (short for scrap yard) and look for some heavy walled pipe. Be sure to look in the "short steel" pile. The shorter pieces are easier to handle. Find some pipe that matches the size you want. Also find some flat steel to make the spokes from. Now,,,, just cut some rings off the pipe, grab some small pipe with a bore that matches the axle size you want. Cut five or size small pieces of the flat steel for each wheel and make them into spokes. Now start welding. Alan Bowen ~~~~Paul Maples wrote~~~~ Can anyone point me to a good source for information on how to make wagon wheels? I want to make a set for a cart I am going to build, I will need them to be smaller that a standard wheel but capable of carrying the weight of the engine? From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sat Nov 6 06:26:55 2004 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 06:26:55 -0800 Subject: [SEL] BIG HELP References: <006601c4c2d8$5ff961c0$210110ac@PaulMaples><012f01c4c3b5$fd77cbc0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <418CA42F.9070905@udata.com> Message-ID: <006001c4c40c$ac6f3f40$57bb2304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> OK Leroy tell us what you have that weighs 18,000 lbs. Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy C." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 2:15 AM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [SEL] BIG HELP > I have a big help question here I need some way to load a 18,000 lb > chunk of steel??? Anyone near Fostoria Ohio that could help?? More if > any response > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From shop at cccomm.net Sat Nov 6 07:04:10 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 07:04:10 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Noisy Gears Message-ID: <005f01c4c411$dfce64b0$6501a8c0@Shop> I've been bothered by the noise made by the timing and mag gear noise while running my engines and came up with an inspiration for you folks. My hay bailer has huge bull gears that operate the plunger and they require a heavy lubricant twice a day when in operation. Last year the Freeman dealer gave me hell because I was using cheap after market stuff and insisted I use their product. I saw an immense difference immediately. What this stuff does is that it coats the gears and in the open air it solidifies to a point that it is still somewhat flexible, yet fills all the gaps and worn areas between the teeth. The noise factor of when the teeth mesh goes from loud to almost zero. I am using it on my small engines and with great success. The product is Bull Gear Grease made by J. A. Freeman & Sons, Inc. Part number F7626. Just thought I'd share Dave From oldengin at udata.com Sat Nov 6 07:08:06 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 10:08:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] BIG HELP In-Reply-To: <006001c4c40c$ac6f3f40$57bb2304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <006601c4c2d8$5ff961c0$210110ac@PaulMaples><012f01c4c3b5$fd77cbc0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <418CA42F.9070905@udata.com> <006001c4c40c$ac6f3f40$57bb2304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <418CE8D6.6070909@udata.com> Jim and Diane wrote: >OK Leroy tell us what you have that weighs 18,000 lbs. > > Ok here is the deal...... Friday I met with a friend, out of stater, to load a piece of history. This chunk is sitting at an old factory in Fostoria Ohio and was headed for the scrap pile, had I not talked my friend in purchasing it. He, my friend, arrived at 11:00 am and had with him a trailer rated at 15,000 lbs, my guess was only 4 ton and Ed ( my brother) had guessed it at 5-6 ton range. It took three fork lifts all they had to raise this into the air and allow the trailer to go under it, everything went well. As the forklifts lowered this onto the trailer it was soon, QUICKLY!, noted that it ain't going to work. The trailer tires went down so low you could not read the writing on them. I have never seen a tire blow out from an overload but trust me these had to be close!!! We had 9 inches to possibly move this item forward on the trailer and wanted to move it 10 inches over to be dead middle and as all three lifts got themselves into proper position, under my guidance, and started to lift, the timbers it was sitting on broke through the trailer deck! She rocked hard and I thought we was going to lose the load but it came to a rest with only a few broken trailer plank, and my wet pants, and now it was decided that if we did reload it the trailer would not haul it out of state! The company, National Carbon, now want no part of a reload attempt and have given us another week or it is cut up and off to the junk man!!! Here is the deal "I" have invested my friend money into something "I" talked him into and now we can not move it. "I" might have a lead on a low boy, unsure what it will cost per mile, but still no way to move it ( pick it up and load it). My friend, my brother , and myself have arrived at a total, guess, weight of 18,000 pounds! We have removed some of the smaller items to lessen the load. Any and all ideas are welcome and a big crane would be better yet! Any one with some HELP????????? ps my friend is on list so be careful what you say. pss over a six hour trip one way and my friend went home empty handed. psss I still swear that cast iron had 17 ounces in each pound pssss my brother missed all the action but loved my wet pants! psssss did I tell you what this is??? -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 6 07:27:39 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:27:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart References: <20041105.203551.804.5.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <001f01c4c415$28efd4a0$210110ac@PaulMaples> This is great information Ron and I have bookmarked it but I want to make wooden spoke wagon wheels for the cart. However, with this information I can also now make steel wheels. Thanks a lot. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart > Hi Paul. Does this do any good? > http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/cart/ > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > > On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:39:48 -0600 writes: From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 6 07:10:41 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:10:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: How much gap References: Message-ID: <008c01c4c412$c8584520$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> The cam sure seems to hit the push bar roller > hard and it's very noticeable. I would guess just enough gap so it does > latch up and no more, but that's a guess. And there it is in a nutshell ,the fine art of coon tuning . Aside from gear noise , excessive lash at the detent and cam give you a clunking noise . You want it to move it just enough to release it . chuck? From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 6 07:29:29 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:29:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart References: <410-22004116635450906@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <002401c4c415$6a3e6d90$210110ac@PaulMaples> Thanks Ken, I can use this info but once again guys I am wanting to build wooden spoke wooden wheels for the cart, miniaturized wooden wagon wheels. I certainly appreciate all of the good information coming in and I can use it all. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 9:54 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart > Paul, > > Here are a couple of sites that might help. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold/wheels/ > http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/cart/ > > Both pages are by list members. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 6 07:35:58 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:35:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Noisy Gears References: <005f01c4c411$dfce64b0$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <005f01c4c416$525e4190$210110ac@PaulMaples> Sounds like a good idea Dave. I use to repair electronic calculators and the early brands had a very noisy printer in them caused by the small gearing. I took some STP and added some Talcum Powder to it and this made a great lubricant that would adhere to the teeth and could not be thrown off. I never tried it on larger gears but sure worked on the small gears to quieten them down. I use to get at least a dozen printers in a week to the repair shop with complaints that they were noisy, applied the STP/Talcum Powder mixture and no more noise. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 9:04 AM Subject: [SEL] Noisy Gears I've been bothered by the noise made by the timing and mag gear noise while running my engines and came up with an inspiration for you folks. My hay bailer has huge bull gears that operate the plunger and they require a heavy lubricant twice a day when in operation. Last year the Freeman dealer gave me hell because I was using cheap after market stuff and insisted I use their product. I saw an immense difference immediately. What this stuff does is that it coats the gears and in the open air it solidifies to a point that it is still somewhat flexible, yet fills all the gaps and worn areas between the teeth. The noise factor of when the teeth mesh goes from loud to almost zero. I am using it on my small engines and with great success. The product is Bull Gear Grease made by J. A. Freeman & Sons, Inc. Part number F7626. Just thought I'd share Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sat Nov 6 07:38:56 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:38:56 EST Subject: [SEL] Re: How much gap Message-ID: <74.4612725e.2ebe4a10@aol.com> In a message dated 11/6/2004 10:34:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, kerogas at sbcglobal.net writes: And there it is in a nutshell ,the fine art of coon tuning Hi Chuck, Is this a technical term? Are there texts and theories and charts and graphs and all? There are, and have been, variations of rigging and engineering, but coon tuning is new one for me. Could you please go into some depth with a full description? Regards, Ron Carroll Nokesville, Virginia(at the moment) and/or Clearmont, Missouri (probably by Tuesday) From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Nov 6 07:54:05 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:54:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] BIG HELP In-Reply-To: <418CE8D6.6070909@udata.com> References: <006601c4c2d8$5ff961c0$210110ac@PaulMaples><012f01c4c3b5$fd77cbc0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <418CA42F.9070905@udata.com> <006001c4c40c$ac6f3f40$57bb2304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <418CE8D6.6070909@udata.com> Message-ID: Hiya Leroy, Check with Rick Rowlands for advice on obtaining low-cost or free lifting, rigging, and hauling services. It does help if the heavy chunk of iron is historically significant. It helps even more if the NAME on the iron matches the family of a prominant local citizen. 8-)) On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Leroy C. wrote: > to load a piece of history. This chunk is sitting at an old > factory in Fostoria Ohio and was headed for the scrap pile > and a big crane would be better yet! Any one with some > HELP????????? > psssss did I tell you what this is??? NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! See ya, Arnie PS - Pictures would be nice. PPS - A video would be even better. PPPS - But NOT of your wet pants. 8-)) Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Nov 6 09:07:27 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:07:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: How much gap References: <008c01c4c412$c8584520$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: Thank you Chuck!! That confirms my suspicions. Apparently the latch has been filed on a bunch over the last 90 years. Will build a new one. Take Care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 8:10 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: How much gap > > The cam sure seems to hit the push bar roller > > hard and it's very noticeable. I would guess just enough gap so it does > > latch up and no more, but that's a guess. > > > > And there it is in a nutshell ,the fine art of coon tuning . Aside from > gear noise , excessive > lash at the detent and cam give you a clunking noise . You want it to move > it just enough to > release it . > > > chuck? > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Nov 6 09:17:48 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:17:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] BIG HELP References: <006601c4c2d8$5ff961c0$210110ac@PaulMaples><012f01c4c3b5$fd77cbc0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <418CA42F.9070905@udata.com><006001c4c40c$ac6f3f40$57bb2304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <418CE8D6.6070909@udata.com> Message-ID: Leroy, I mentioned this several years ago when 7 monsters needed new homes. If you have military such as the Army National Guard or Army Reserve...transportation or tank outfit resonably close, they are public/history help oriented. Huge cranes, lowboys, tank recovery, vehicles will definetly do the job. They get the training and you get the reward. Everyone wins. Suggest you give your Governor and the local AG (State Adjutant General) a call. Good Luck RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy C." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] BIG HELP > Jim and Diane wrote: > > >OK Leroy tell us what you have that weighs 18,000 lbs. > > > > > > Ok here is the deal...... Friday I met with a friend, out of > stater, to load a piece of history. This chunk is sitting at an old > factory in Fostoria Ohio and was headed for the scrap pile, had I not > talked my friend in purchasing it. He, my friend, arrived at 11:00 am > and had with him a trailer rated at 15,000 lbs, my guess was only 4 ton > and Ed ( my brother) had guessed it at 5-6 ton range. It took three fork > lifts all they had to raise this into the air and allow the trailer to > go under it, everything went well. As the forklifts lowered this onto > the trailer it was soon, QUICKLY!, noted that it ain't going to work. > The trailer tires went down so low you could not read the writing on > them. I have never seen a tire blow out from an overload but trust me > these had to be close!!! We had 9 inches to possibly move this item > forward on the trailer and wanted to move it 10 inches over to be dead > middle and as all three lifts got themselves into proper position, under > my guidance, and started to lift, the timbers it was sitting on broke > through the trailer deck! She rocked hard and I thought we was going to > lose the load but it came to a rest with only a few broken trailer > plank, and my wet pants, and now it was decided that if we did reload it > the trailer would not haul it out of state! The company, National > Carbon, now want no part of a reload attempt and have given us another > week or it is cut up and off to the junk man!!! > > Here is the deal "I" have invested my friend money into something "I" > talked him into and now we can not move it. "I" might have a lead on a > low boy, unsure what it will cost per mile, but still no way to move it > ( pick it up and load it). My friend, my brother , and myself have > arrived at a total, guess, weight of 18,000 pounds! We have removed > some of the smaller items to lessen the load. Any and all ideas are > welcome and a big crane would be better yet! Any one with some > HELP????????? > ps my friend is on list so be careful what you say. > pss over a six hour trip one way and my friend went home empty handed. > psss I still swear that cast iron had 17 ounces in each pound > pssss my brother missed all the action but loved my wet pants! > psssss did I tell you what this is??? > -- > > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Nov 6 09:25:14 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:25:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Military engine/genny manual wanted in the USA References: <7v8mo0h19k1k77r44f0l9p5hftvhpuk6h9@4ax.com> Message-ID: www.logsa.army.mil/etms/find_etm.cfm is the website for downloading Technical Manuals (TM's) if they're in the database. We used this on Glenn Wilson's wrecker. Also works for Parts Manuals and Lube Orders. I believe it's down on weekends..will check on Monday. I've Cc'd jaycay28. Hope it works for him. RickinMt. Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 11:58 PM Subject: [SEL] Military engine/genny manual wanted in the USA > I had a request for help from Jim in the USA for a military genset manual > TM5-2805-208, engine is a Wisconsin 2-cylinder. > > Jim's email address is: jaycay28 at wmconnect.com > > If anyone can assist, please let me know or contact Jim directly please. > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BillMil357 at aol.com Sat Nov 6 09:54:00 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:54:00 EST Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart Message-ID: Hey Men I thought wooden wagon wheels was what my OLE buddy Paul was wanting to make so now he is going to become a Wheelright (maker of wood wheels) among all the other trades that he has conquered Ha Ha. as a friend he is tops. See ya, Bill Miller. From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Nov 6 10:42:39 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:42:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Military engine/genny manual wanted in the USA In-Reply-To: References: <7v8mo0h19k1k77r44f0l9p5hftvhpuk6h9@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:25:14 -0700, you wrote: >www.logsa.army.mil/etms/find_etm.cfm is the website for downloading >Technical Manuals (TM's) if they're in the database. We used this on Glenn >Wilson's wrecker. Also works for Parts Manuals and Lube Orders. > > I believe it's down on weekends..will check on Monday. > >I've Cc'd jaycay28. > >Hope it works for him. > >RickinMt. >Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thank you kindly :-)) Peter From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Nov 6 10:51:14 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:51:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fred Dibnah Message-ID: Regret to pass on the news that Fred Dibnah died today of cancer. He has been unwell for a year, but was taken more seriously ill in September. I think Arnie Fero met him on one of his trips over here. The BBC website has an obituary: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3623347.stm Peter From BillMil357 at aol.com Sat Nov 6 10:56:39 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:56:39 EST Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart Message-ID: Hey Paul, see if you can get any info. from the links below, http://www.rptrading.biz/ http://www.jakesctp.com/ http://www.customwagons.com/ See ya, Bill Miller. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Nov 6 11:32:22 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:32:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Fred Dibnah In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Peter, Bummer. Fred was quite a character. I'm glad that I did get to meet him. At some point I need to get the set of his industrial heritage programs. I've seen a couple with Jim & Dolly and they were facinating. I also got to meet his third wife; another character. As Dave likes to say "They're still making wives, but they've stopped making the old iron." The bit that I'll remember most about Fred was the impish twinkle in his eye as he described sinking that backyard mineshaft without any council permits or permission. My kinda bloke. 8-)) http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/yank1.htm See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Peter A Forbes wrote: > Regret to pass on the news that Fred Dibnah died today of cancer. He has been > unwell for a year, but was taken more seriously ill in September. > > I think Arnie Fero met him on one of his trips over here. > > The BBC website has an obituary: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3623347.stm > > Peter From FRM8198 at aol.com Sat Nov 6 11:54:32 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:54:32 EST Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart Message-ID: <65.37a74d2a.2ebe85f8@aol.com> Here is an interesting wheelwright site Wheelwright tools Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Sat Nov 6 12:33:11 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:33:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] BIG HELP Message-ID: <002a01c4c43f$d8a51de0$69680b42@gnarmstrong> LEROY, Tractors used in hauling lowboys often have a winch in order to load disabled equipment for repair. Check with a couple of large contractors or a local large equip. dealer for availability--if they cannot help they prob. can direct you to a hauler. You can move tremendous loads by winching, and slowly as well, by adding parts to you line. Good Luck. George -----Original Message----- From: Leroy C. To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Saturday, November 06, 2004 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] BIG HELP >Jim and Diane wrote: > >>OK Leroy tell us what you have that weighs 18,000 lbs. >> >> > >Ok here is the deal...... Friday I met with a friend, out of >stater, to load a piece of history. This chunk is sitting at an old >factory in Fostoria Ohio and was headed for the scrap pile, had I not >talked my friend in purchasing it. He, my friend, arrived at 11:00 am >and had with him a trailer rated at 15,000 lbs, my guess was only 4 ton >and Ed ( my brother) had guessed it at 5-6 ton range. It took three fork >lifts all they had to raise this into the air and allow the trailer to >go under it, everything went well. As the forklifts lowered this onto >the trailer it was soon, QUICKLY!, noted that it ain't going to work. >The trailer tires went down so low you could not read the writing on >them. I have never seen a tire blow out from an overload but trust me >these had to be close!!! We had 9 inches to possibly move this item >forward on the trailer and wanted to move it 10 inches over to be dead >middle and as all three lifts got themselves into proper position, under >my guidance, and started to lift, the timbers it was sitting on broke >through the trailer deck! She rocked hard and I thought we was going to >lose the load but it came to a rest with only a few broken trailer >plank, and my wet pants, and now it was decided that if we did reload it >the trailer would not haul it out of state! The company, National >Carbon, now want no part of a reload attempt and have given us another >week or it is cut up and off to the junk man!!! > >Here is the deal "I" have invested my friend money into something "I" >talked him into and now we can not move it. "I" might have a lead on a >low boy, unsure what it will cost per mile, but still no way to move it >( pick it up and load it). My friend, my brother , and myself have >arrived at a total, guess, weight of 18,000 pounds! We have removed >some of the smaller items to lessen the load. Any and all ideas are >welcome and a big crane would be better yet! Any one with some >HELP????????? >ps my friend is on list so be careful what you say. >pss over a six hour trip one way and my friend went home empty handed. >psss I still swear that cast iron had 17 ounces in each pound >pssss my brother missed all the action but loved my wet pants! >psssss did I tell you what this is??? >-- > > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > >"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > >better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Nov 6 12:53:27 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:53:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fred Dibnah In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48eqo01ilhq8n9vfq87eroslflkg4bshun@4ax.com> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:32:22 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >Hi Peter, > >Bummer. Fred was quite a character. I'm glad that I did get to meet him. >At some point I need to get the set of his industrial heritage programs. >I've seen a couple with Jim & Dolly and they were facinating. I also got >to meet his third wife; another character. As Dave likes to say "They're >still making wives, but they've stopped making the old iron." The bit >that I'll remember most about Fred was the impish twinkle in his eye as he >described sinking that backyard mineshaft without any council permits or >permission. My kinda bloke. 8-)) >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/yank1.htm > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero He was a regular at the Rushden Cavalcade as you know, and will be missed by many old iron and hot fog enthusiasts. Many of the programmes that he nade will be released on DVD, so get an all-region DVD player or get a Region 1 that is hackable and we'll give you a shout when they are available. We bought a Region 1 DVD player last year, having first checked the 'net to see if it was in fact 'convertible to 'any region'. It was, and also had PAL output and 120/240 auto-switching PSU, you had to read the tech manual! There are plenty of hacks available for DVD players. Peter From edstoller at earthlink.net Sat Nov 6 14:27:57 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:27:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic References: <001c01c4c22d$ac78eee0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo><6.1.2.0.0.20041104083411.0233b5a0@mail.alltel.net> <002901c4c2a5$33c7c8e0$82d55a42@jake> Message-ID: <008501c4c44f$dfbd4480$94d7f504@x8h7l9> That should be I.Q. of 80 or more and a sence or values to boot. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Buchanan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Very little traffic > Well the vote was great. Only 51% with I.Q. of 80 or less > > Arthur > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:47 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Very little traffic > > > > > >>I got to thinking that it has been slow, though I was busy whatching the > >>returns last night, iy seems I have only recieved 5 messages from SEL for > >>the last two days, whats up ? are we alone or is it just slow? > >>Ted Brookover > > > > Hi Ted, > > I can't speak for others, but I've been out shooting my guns in > > the air, drinking beer, and just generally celebrating the loss of that > > FRENCH looking candidate for president of our great country! > > Dave > > PS, Did you know that "W" got the MOST votes EVER cast for a President of > > the USA? (About 4,000,000 more than that FRENCH looking guy!) > > PPS, Did you know that he is the first president in a LONG TIME to get > > over 50% of the vote? (Think that Reagan was the last one.) > > PPPS, I just knew that the American public was not as stupid as the polls > > were showing! > > PPPPS, I'm also in the process of restoring a United States Air Compressor > > built in Cleveland OH. (1930/40's?) S/N 655 SC--any idea how I can get an > > exact date on it? > > PPPPPS, Sorry this went to the List, I meant it to go to Ted directly, but > > pushed the "send" button before I remembered to change the address! > > PPPPPPS, This is the last "PS" > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 6 14:55:53 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:55:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: How much gap References: <74.4612725e.2ebe4a10@aol.com> Message-ID: <011701c4c453$c5932120$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Is this a technical term? Are there texts and theories and charts and graphs and all? Could you please go into some depth with a full>>>> http://www.chem.mtu.edu/~tbco/cm416/cctune.html why yes , there is Ron , knock yerself out . I prefer my math with a pien . > There are, and have been, variations of rigging and engineering, but coon > tuning is new one for me. Its about going slow , and doing so as silently as possible . Ninja stuff I wont go in depth but , There's running O-rings Vs piston rings , timing adjustments to compensate , some engines require you to reduce air inlet or run the choke slightly if equipped . Witness the halfbreeds with head spacers . Rick brought up the roller to cam / and latch clearances , which are really fun to tackle Improper or worn and buzzing gear mesh is another noisy problem . If you have ever been around a pet raccoon their constantly probing , inquisitive little human fingers behave similarly to a "coon tuner" rummaging a flatbed trailer full of parts .Coon tuning is merely a more publicly utterable form of another very similar oath . BTW Ron Stuck the Texas Seal back on a local fuzzes cheaply made badge about an hour ago with Goop ! Chuck? From jhcullom at adelphia.net Sat Nov 6 15:14:40 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:14:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How much gap References: Message-ID: <01a601c4c456$649403f0$6401a8c0@office> Ummm, I'm not quite following you............are you talking about the latch on the pushrod? I went on a bike trip yesterday, 43 miles long on a bicycle. I've got a recumbent bike, the kind you sit back in.....boy are my knees and legs sore...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" > When the exhaust valve is fully open, how much overlap/gap should there > be between the two "latches?" The cam sure seems to hit the push bar > roller hard and it's very noticeable. I would guess just enough gap so it > does latch up and no more, but that's a guess. From edstoller at earthlink.net Sat Nov 6 17:50:05 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:50:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT, WWI Machine Gun Cart Message-ID: <00d801c4c46c$1ce99a40$94d7f504@x8h7l9> I am helping a widow clean out a barn and there is a Machine Gun Cart from World War I with a brass tag that dates it to 1917. It doesn't have any wheels or machine gun but it is mostly wood in good condition. I hate to see it go into the dumpster. Does anyone know of someone who would be interested in it? Since it is not old iron I thought it off topic; plus it is horse drawn I think. I already picked up the engines. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Nov 6 18:25:16 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:25:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT, WWI Machine Gun Cart In-Reply-To: <00d801c4c46c$1ce99a40$94d7f504@x8h7l9> References: <00d801c4c46c$1ce99a40$94d7f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <418D878C.2070300@scrtc.com> Ed, I live near the Patton Museum at Ft. Knox and they have an extensive collection of WWI artifacts. A guy who lives near me is the curator. I can try to contact him to see if its something they would want. Don't throw it away as I'm sure someone can find some historic value in it. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ED wrote: >I am helping a widow clean out a barn and there is a Machine Gun Cart from World War I with a brass tag that dates it to 1917. It doesn't have any wheels or machine gun but it is mostly wood in good condition. I hate to see it go into the dumpster. Does anyone know of someone who would be interested in it? Since it is not old iron I thought it off topic; plus it is horse drawn I think. I already picked up the engines. > >Ed Stoller >New Fairfield, CT > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sat Nov 6 19:01:20 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:01:20 EST Subject: [SEL] Re: How much gap, now, secrets of Goop the glue, not the hand cleaner Message-ID: <196.32496669.2ebeea00@aol.com> Hi Chuck, Thanks for the Coon Tuning info. I am sure it will come in handy. Goop is useful stuff. I glued the aluminum fender back on my tandem axle cargo trailer using Goop just today. It had started to pull off somewhere in Indiana, and I had duct taped it in place. The Goop is easier to use than drilling out and replacing the pop rivets or putting in new pop rivets. Ron PS: I don't think I have ever seen anyone repair an officer's badge with Goop. That's a new use. PPS: Goop is the secret weapon for when JB Weld just won't do the trick. In a message dated 11/6/2004 6:14:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, kerogas at sbcglobal.net writes: BTW Ron Stuck the Texas Seal back on a local fuzzes cheaply made badge about an hour ago with Goop ! From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Sat Nov 6 20:12:51 2004 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:12:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart References: <006601c4c2d8$5ff961c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <002701c4c480$0c857f70$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> Hi Paul! There was a good section in an older series of books called "The Foxfire Book", which was a publication of a research project documenting old time "folk skills", lore, and such. There are several volumes and they all make fascinating reading. They were in paperback and came out in the 1970's. cabin building, iron smelting to gunsmithing and everything in between, processing wool, making a grist mill, soapmaking, and tons more. You will probably need to look for them in a used bookstore, as I do not think they are in print any longer. I'll check mine and see if I can tell you which one has the wheel article. Best Regards; Jim Mackessy Syracuse, New York, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 8:39 PM Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart Can anyone point me to a good source for information on how to make wagon wheels? I want to make a set for a cart I am going to build, I will need them to be smaller that a standard wheel but capable of carrying the weight of the engine? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Nov 6 20:19:51 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:19:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How much gap In-Reply-To: <01a601c4c456$649403f0$6401a8c0@office> References: <01a601c4c456$649403f0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <4510FA77-3074-11D9-B397-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > I went on a bike trip yesterday, 43 miles long on a bicycle. I've got > a recumbent bike, the kind you sit back in.....boy are my knees and > legs sore...... I used to have one, a RANS Stratus. I loved that bike! Fellow wanted to buy it right after I tore my arm up, and I sold it to him. That's definitely the way to go, if you want to ride a bike! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Nov 6 20:27:23 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:27:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT, WWI Machine Gun Cart In-Reply-To: <00d801c4c46c$1ce99a40$94d7f504@x8h7l9> References: <00d801c4c46c$1ce99a40$94d7f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <520D70DD-3075-11D9-B397-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Try going to one of these forums: http://milsurpshooter.net/ http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/mb/surplusrifle http://www.gunboards.com/forums/default.asp and put a notice about what you've found on an appropriate board. Somebody'll want it, for sure! John On Nov 6, 2004, at 8:50 PM, ED wrote: > I am helping a widow clean out a barn and there is a Machine Gun Cart > from World War?I with a brass tag that dates it to 1917. It doesn't > have any wheels? or machine gun?but it is mostly wood in good > condition. I hate to see it go into the dumpster. Does anyone know of > someone who would be interested in it? Since it is not old iron I > thought it off topic; plus it is horse drawn I think. I already picked > up the engines. > ? > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > ? > ? > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Nov 6 21:40:24 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:40:24 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT, WWI Machine Gun Cart In-Reply-To: <00d801c4c46c$1ce99a40$94d7f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <200411070540.iA75eQTn099713@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > I am helping a widow clean out a barn and there is a Machine > Gun Cart from World War I with a brass tag that dates it to > 1917. It doesn't have any wheels or machine gun but it is > mostly wood in good condition. I hate to see it go into the > dumpster. Does anyone know of someone who would be interested > in it? Since it is not old iron I thought it off topic; plus > it is horse drawn I think. I already picked up the engines. Ed, this kind of stuff could bring huge bucks from the right gun collector. Do not scrap it. Even if you're not interesting in cashing in, for a gun guy, this could be the equivalent of a missing flywheel to an engineman. From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Nov 6 21:05:59 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:05:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] My Mail Stopped!! References: <1e.37b7e047.2ebd539e@aol.com> Message-ID: <001c01c4c487$79334a10$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Spencer, Same problem here. No SEL for about 24 hours and then it was back up. One of my messages got through, and I keep getting mail on the others about not getting through. I use Earthlink and Wink and Ginger use AOL. Problem on our end or yours? Not complaining cause this is free, but I am curious. There were a couple others with a problem that got to my inbox. Any others with this problem, check in and give your ISP. Maybe Earthlink, AOhell, got on the Gates bandwagon and decided to protect us from ourselves. Time for a new ISP? Sorry Dave. I broke my promise, but when my SEL don't work I get testy and talk a little about computers cause I use one for my mail. Later boys and girls. Time for some zzzz's. Jeff Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 3:07 PM Subject: [SEL] My Mail Stopped!! > Hi Spencer, > My mail from the SEL just stopped.......got any ideas? > Thanks in advance, (just in case you are able to perform your magic!) > WinkAndGinger at aol.com > > Wink & Ginger Thornton, > Yucca Valley Ca., USA > KG6TVW, KG6TVV > Members of W.A.P.A, > (Western Antique Power Associates) > The older the violin....the sweeter the music! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Sun Nov 7 03:35:51 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 22:35:51 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] re: Noisy Gears Message-ID: <20041107113551.66403.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> G'day Dave Saw your very interesting post. I'll look out for something similiar in Oz and I'll mention it at my next club meeting. Cheers Graham in Oz Message: 4 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 07:04:10 -0800 From: "Dave Ernst" Subject: [SEL] Noisy Gears To: "The SEL email discussion list" Message-ID: <005f01c4c411$dfce64b0$6501a8c0 at Shop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've been bothered by the noise made by the timing and mag gear noise while running my engines and came up with an inspiration for you folks. My hay bailer has huge bull gears that operate the plunger and they require a heavy lubricant twice a day when in operation. Last year the Freeman dealer gave me hell because I was using cheap after market stuff and insisted I use their product. I saw an immense difference immediately. What this stuff does is that it coats the gears and in the open air it solidifies to a point that it is still somewhat flexible, yet fills all the gaps and worn areas between the teeth. The noise factor of when the teeth mesh goes from loud to almost zero. I am using it on my small engines and with great success. The product is Bull Gear Grease made by J. A. Freeman & Sons, Inc. Part number F7626. Just thought I'd share Dave Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sun Nov 7 03:44:51 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 22:44:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] non list memeber Help wanted References: <1e.37b7e047.2ebd539e@aol.com> <001c01c4c487$79334a10$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <002e01c4c4bf$31563f30$1c771fd3@km> G'Day All If anyone can help Gary please contact him direct HaywoodG at transfieldservices.com Hello Kerry have just visited you interesting site. I am based in Wellington NZ. I have a Simplex Model DR marine engine that I am hoping to restore and the fit a "put put" hull around it. The guy I bought it off via internet auction was a little extravagant with the facts about it's condition and Hardman & Hall [NSW} are helping me with parts including a new cylinder block, head and exhaust box. At this stage it looks like the remaining impediment to achieving the restoration is that the Schebler Model D? carburettor is missing. I have the threaded nipple and the throttle valve / flange that screw into the engine block and flanges to the main carburettor body. Roger Prettyman at Hardman & Hall thinks they may have enough parts for me to build up a carburettor but I would prefer to find a complete unit so the valuable spare parts remain available for others to draw on. Are you able to suggest any contacts on your side of the ditch who might have a Schebler Model D available for sale? The throttle valve flange I have has a 3/4 inch BSP female thread which matches to a threaded nipple to connect it to the engine block. The attached photo appear to be a close match to the line drawing in the Simplex owner's handbook so I am assuming this is what I am looking for. Regards Gary Haywood From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Nov 7 08:56:51 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 09:56:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] How much gap References: <01a601c4c456$649403f0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: > Ummm, I'm not quite following you............are you talking about the > latch > on the pushrod? The other or mating latch John. I believe it's been filed on a lot so will build a longer one. This will push and hold the exhaust valve further in also during "Miss."" > > I went on a bike trip yesterday, 43 miles long on a bicycle. I've got a > recumbent bike, the kind you sit back in.....boy are my knees and legs > sore...... Good for you John!! I get tired driving 43 miles :-)) Take care and thanks Rick > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > > When the exhaust valve is fully open, how much overlap/gap should there > > be between the two "latches?" The cam sure seems to hit the push bar > > roller hard and it's very noticeable. I would guess just enough gap so > > it > > does latch up and no more, but that's a guess. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Nov 7 09:04:12 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:04:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner References: <20041104.153955.812.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: That first one is the one I was looking for...Zangobob's blowtorch heaven. Thanks Pip!!!!!!!!! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fuel for babbitt/lead melting burner > Hi Rick, > > Couple a good looking units you got there. > > And - everyone said I was going to blow myself up !!! > > I think I'll let you do it first. > > As for the blowtorch having 2 jets (orfaces) - > >From my experience - One is for Gasoline - One is for Kerosene but don't > know which.. > Check out some sites: > http://members.aol.com/blotorches/ > http://people.ne.mediaone.net/wasser/NEMES/BlowTorch.html > http://www.syrupmakers.com/temp/blowtorch.jpg > http://www.syrupmakers.com/temp/blowtorch2.jpg > www.blowtorch.net > > Good Luck. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > \/)"(\/ when He was tired." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 6 20:19:28 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:19:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart References: <006601c4c2d8$5ff961c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <002701c4c480$0c857f70$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> Message-ID: <006201c4c480$fd572020$210110ac@PaulMaples> Hello Jim, I have two Foxfire Books that I bought years ago. They are stored away in the closet. If there is some information in them I will go and dig them out. Thanks for the "heads up" Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Mackessy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart > Hi Paul! > There was a good section in an older series of books called "The > Foxfire Book", which was a publication > of a research project documenting old time "folk skills", lore, and such. > There are several volumes and they all > make fascinating reading. They were in paperback and came out in the > 1970's. > cabin building, iron smelting to > gunsmithing and everything in between, processing wool, making a grist > mill, From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 7 11:20:42 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:20:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT, WWI Machine Gun Cart References: <00d801c4c46c$1ce99a40$94d7f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <013901c4c4fe$e01ab340$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> I hate to see it go into the dumpster. Does anyone know of someone who would be interested in it? ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// http://www.blackrivermilitaria.com/pics2.html http://www.blackrivermilitaria.com/pics/kcr99/dr~ed~2.jpg Cats like these , she probably oughta get an appraisal or two or three antique engines are small taters compared to some of the antique NFA stuff . Chuck? From jhcullom at adelphia.net Sun Nov 7 13:36:40 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:36:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How much gap References: <01a601c4c456$649403f0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <009c01c4c511$de631d90$6401a8c0@office> Oh ok, gotcha. The one on mine is adjustable, not yours huh? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" > The other or mating latch John. I believe it's been filed on a lot so > will build a longer one. This will push and hold the exhaust valve > further in also during "Miss."" From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 7 13:47:50 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:47:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT, WWI Machine Gun Cart In-Reply-To: <00d801c4c46c$1ce99a40$94d7f504@x8h7l9> References: <00d801c4c46c$1ce99a40$94d7f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: Hi Ed, If you want to help the widow convert the cart to cash, take a look at the eBay of the firearms world... http://www.gunbroker.com or http://www.auctionarms.com See ya, Arnie On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, ED wrote: > I am helping a widow clean out a barn and there is a Machine Gun Cart > from World War I with a brass tag that dates it to 1917. It doesn't have > any wheels or machine gun but it is mostly wood in good condition. I > hate to see it go into the dumpster. Does anyone know of someone who > would be interested in it? From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Nov 7 13:49:29 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:49:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Very little traffic In-Reply-To: <110520041226.22172.6514@mchsi.com> References: <110520041226.22172.6514@mchsi.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Was having the same celebration around here....but did you and your local boys > do anything about that damned "prohibitional policy" on buying beer at the > local gas station like most normal states enjoy??????? Hell Curt, we're still working on being able to buy beer on Sunday!! See ya, Arnie From edstoller at earthlink.net Sun Nov 7 17:15:29 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 20:15:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT, WWI Machine Gun Cart References: <00d801c4c46c$1ce99a40$94d7f504@x8h7l9> <013901c4c4fe$e01ab340$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <001a01c4c530$7197eaa0$89b6f504@x8h7l9> Tommy Turner is working on a contact at the Patton Museum at Ft. Knox. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, WWI Machine Gun Cart > I hate to see it go into the dumpster. Does anyone know of someone > who would be interested in it? > ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > http://www.blackrivermilitaria.com/pics2.html > http://www.blackrivermilitaria.com/pics/kcr99/dr~ed~2.jpg > Cats like these , she probably oughta get an appraisal or two or three > antique engines are small taters compared to some of the antique NFA stuff . > > > Chuck? > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Nov 7 21:37:50 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:37:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What is it? Message-ID: <20041107.213751.1508.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Wink Thornton, a fellow list member got a new toy but doesn't know what it is. Some one help him out. It can be seen at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=30882182&f=0 Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Nov 7 23:01:24 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 23:01:24 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What is it? In-Reply-To: <20041107.213751.1508.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <200411080701.iA871XSN090477@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Wink Thornton, a fellow list member got a new toy but doesn't > know what it is. Some one help him out. It can be seen at: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=30882182&f=0 > Thanks. If you look closely, there is a dead giveaway... The decal on the tailgate says "Toyota." No need for thanks. Rob P.S. What's the crazy hunk 'o iron on the trailer? That is WAY cool! From nancydick at keyconn.net Mon Nov 8 03:21:45 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 03:21:45 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart In-Reply-To: <006201c4c480$fd572020$210110ac@PaulMaples> References: <006601c4c2d8$5ff961c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <002701c4c480$0c857f70$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20041108032046.00b4b3c0@mail.keyconn.net> Paul i have the complete set if there is an item you don't have in your two. R Fink PA At 10:19 PM 11/6/2004 -0600, you wrote: >Hello Jim, > >I have two Foxfire Books that I bought years ago. They are stored away in >the closet. If there is some information in them I will go and dig them >out. Thanks for the "heads up" > >Paul > >----- Original Message ----- From: "James Mackessy" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 10:12 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart > > >>Hi Paul! >> There was a good section in an older series of books called "The >>Foxfire Book", which was a publication >>of a research project documenting old time "folk skills", lore, and such. >>There are several volumes and they all >>make fascinating reading. They were in paperback and came out in the 1970's. >>cabin building, iron smelting to >>gunsmithing and everything in between, processing wool, making a grist mill, > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Nov 8 05:04:22 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 06:04:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] How much gap References: <01a601c4c456$649403f0$6401a8c0@office> <009c01c4c511$de631d90$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: No adjustment John. That definetly would be the fix. Thanks Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] How much gap > Oh ok, gotcha. The one on mine is adjustable, not yours huh? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > > The other or mating latch John. I believe it's been filed on a lot so > > will build a longer one. This will push and hold the exhaust valve > > further in also during "Miss."" > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 8 05:44:40 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 07:44:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart References: <006601c4c2d8$5ff961c0$210110ac@PaulMaples><002701c4c480$0c857f70$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> <4.2.0.58.20041108032046.00b4b3c0@mail.keyconn.net> Message-ID: <002401c4c599$1a98dbb0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Thanks Richard I had volume #2 and #6 and Volume #2 had the wagon wheel article in it. I appreciate your response. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Info On Making Wagon Wheels for Cart > Paul i have the complete set if there is an item you don't have in your > two. > R Fink > PA > From wrl at gwltd.com Mon Nov 8 05:35:14 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 07:35:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What is it? References: <20041107.213751.1508.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <002901c4c597$cad66bc0$0c00005a@davem.com> It appears to be a single cylinder engine, and transmission. J. Dave Mayfield www.w9wrl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 11:37 PM Subject: [SEL] What is it? > Hi all. > Wink Thornton, a fellow list member got a new toy but doesn't know what > it is. Some one help him out. It can be seen at: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=30882182&f=0 > Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From andyglines at hotmail.com Mon Nov 8 08:09:35 2004 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:09:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: BIG HELP Message-ID: >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: BIG HELP (Arnie Fero) >Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:03:56 -0500 (EST) >From: Arnie Fero >Subject: Re: [SEL] BIG HELP >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >SO Leroy, does this hunk of steel have flywheels? See ya, Arnie > >On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Leroy C. wrote: > > > I have a big help question here I need some way to load a 18,000 lb > > chunk of steel??? Anyone near Fostoria Ohio that could help?? More if > > any response > > >------------------------------ Contact the local heavy wrecker service. Those big wreckers will lift 18,000 and set it on your trailer with little effort. Some even have booms that telescope and swivel. Be sure to discuss the needed rigging with them. I'm pretty sure that the service will have enough rigging to do the job, just ask to make sure. _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Nov 8 09:22:34 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:22:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done Message-ID: Howdy all; Well it's a beautiful morning so thought I'd shoot some after pictures. Many thanks to Corky my machinist bud and of course John Cullom, the GAL MAN!!! The SEL is FANTASTIC and I thank all that contributed!! Here's the first pix: http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/213770342GweFSV and the other side. Hope you all enjoy especially the generations to come. http://community.webshots.com/photo/213772212/213772212iTMqUd I'll put up some more photo's later, Take Care RickinMt. PS: Sorry for the larger file sizes http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 8 10:29:53 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:29:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT, WWI Machine Gun Cart References: <00d801c4c46c$1ce99a40$94d7f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <001f01c4c5c0$f19ce300$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > If you want to help the widow convert the cart to cash, take a look at the > eBay of the firearms world... ebay ? How about the Harry's of the full auto world ? http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/ BTW Arnie . I finished the roof on the new shop last night Chuck ? From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Nov 8 11:17:37 2004 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 14:17:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz info wanted Message-ID: <410-220041118191737430@coastalnet.com> Can anyone help this fellow in South Africa with any info on this presumably later model Lorenz? There is no name plate, so model and serial numbers are missing. http://www.oldiron-nut.com/temp/lorenz2.jpg Please pass any info on to me and I will forward it to him. Thank you and take care. Ken Christison christison at coastalnet.com www.oldiron-nut.com From edstoller at earthlink.net Mon Nov 8 12:32:24 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:32:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Upside down Message-ID: <002d01c4c5d2$1029dec0$05a4f504@x8h7l9> I want to put the rings back on the piston of my Stover CT2 and the bottom, ( oil ) ring has a bevel on one side and a sharp edge on the other. Does anybody know if the bevel goes towards the top of the piston or towards the skirt. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Nov 8 13:57:50 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:57:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041108165656.022e4148@mail.alltel.net> At 12:22 PM 11/8/2004, you wrote: >Howdy all; > Well it's a beautiful morning..... >Take Care >RickinMt. And a BEAUTIFUL saw outfit as well! Dave From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Mon Nov 8 14:59:12 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:59:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Tin Siding Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7029F74D5@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>>The corrugated iron on the building is laid horizontally and not vertically (as is more usual). I think I have seen this a couple of times and Edd says he has seen it a few times. Does anyone have an idea why it would have been done this way? >>>Patrick Sometimes the panels are hinged, so they can be pushed out at the bottom and propped open for ventilation. Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Nov 8 15:04:57 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 00:04:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done References: Message-ID: <001301c4c5e7$5e246fe0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Great looking saw outfit Rick! You guys did a well done job. Your weather is much better too. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Howdy all; > Well it's a beautiful morning so thought I'd shoot some after pictures. > Many thanks to Corky my machinist bud and of course John Cullom, the GAL > MAN!!! The SEL is FANTASTIC and I thank all that contributed!! > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/213772212/213772212iTMqUd > > RickinMt. From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Mon Nov 8 15:39:06 2004 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:39:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine #21 - #25 Message-ID: <200411082331.iA8NVlpg006632@photo.epson.com> Hello! WinkandGinger Thornton has an online photo album for you to see at http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw= Here is a message describing the photos: The unidentified engine is # 21 thru # 25 ....and it's not a "toyota"! I'v never sent pics before...hope this works! You can also create your own photo album to share with family and friends. Its free! Just join Epson PhotoCenter today. http://photo.epson.com/welcome/index.html AOL Users: Click on the link below to see the photos. If neither of the links are clickable, simply cut and paste the first link into your web browser. Click here Here are some of the exciting things you can do as a member of Epson PhotoCenter: - Send a customized electronic postcard with our free PicCheers! - Share your photos and photo albums online with family and friends. It's a great way to stay in touch with loved ones. And that's just the beginning. Changing the picture of photography.TM http://photo.epson.com/ Copyright(C) 2004 Epson America, Inc. 3840 Kilroy Airport Way, Long Beach, CA 90806 From alanb2 at webtv.net Mon Nov 8 15:58:35 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 18:58:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done In-Reply-To: "Richard Strobel" 's message of Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:22:34 -0700 Message-ID: <19195-4190082B-720@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net> Very sweet lookin' toy there, Rick, Have you cut much wood with it yet? Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From carrowor2002 at att.net Mon Nov 8 16:06:48 2004 From: carrowor2002 at att.net (Robert Jacobs) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 19:06:48 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done References: <19195-4190082B-720@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <41900A18.000001.02800@NOTEBOOK> I agree on the sweet toy, but don't even want to see the size of the kid peddling that three wheeler to pull it Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! Carrowor2002 at att.net -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 11/08/04 18:59:13 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done Very sweet lookin' toy there, Rick, Have you cut much wood with it yet? Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 8 17:18:20 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:18:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done Message-ID: <20041108.202811.280.0.jlb94@juno.com> That is a really nice outfit Rick. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jhcullom at adelphia.net Mon Nov 8 17:41:56 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:41:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done References: Message-ID: <00dd01c4c5fd$4c300630$6401a8c0@office> Good job buddy. Take a nice close-up & I'll stick it on my website with your name on it. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" > Well it's a beautiful morning so thought I'd shoot some after pictures. > Many thanks to Corky my machinist bud and of course John Cullom, the GAL > MAN!!! The SEL is FANTASTIC and I thank all that contributed!! From gibsongus at myway.com Mon Nov 8 22:11:33 2004 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 01:11:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine #21 - #25 Message-ID: <20041109061133.814EE39E0@mprdmxin.myway.com> That is sure differnt ,are you sure you didnt just pick up all the parts you found around the chinese laundy and put them together and have ginger hammer out the cover.-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Mon 11/08, < WinkAndGinger at aol.com > wrote: From: [mailto: WinkAndGinger at aol.com]To: WinkandGinger at aol.com, sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:39:06 -0800 (PST)Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine #21 - #25Hello!WinkandGinger Thornton has an online photo album for you to see at http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=Here is a message describing the photos:The unidentified engine is # 21 thru # 25....and it's not a "toyota"! I'v never sent pics before...hope this works! You can also create your own photo album to share with family andfriends. Its free! Just join Epson PhotoCenter today. http://photo.epson.com/welcome/index.htmlAOL Users: Click on the link below to see the photos. If neither of the links are clickable, simply cut and paste the first link into your web browser.Click here Here are some of the exciting things you can do as a member ofEpson PhotoCenter:- Send a customized electronic postcard with our free PicCheers!- Share your photos and photo albums online! with family and friends. It's a great way to stay in touch with loved ones. And that's just the beginning. Changing the picture of photography.TMhttp://photo.epson.com/Copyright(C) 2004 Epson America, Inc. 3840 Kilroy Airport Way, Long Beach, CA 90806_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Nov 9 05:45:40 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 06:45:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done References: <00dd01c4c5fd$4c300630$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: Thanks John! I still need to fix a few problems and then I'll shoot some closeups. Plus it needs a good cleanup. It was such a beautiful morning, I couldn't resist. Could you possibly guess how much pull down force on your belt tensioner? I guess the only way would be to swag it in lbs. Mine really flops up and down and I would guess it has ~ 25 pounds of pull down force...maybe less. and you'r right. Galloways are cold blooded. I heat the mixer and have much better luck. Just saw this is going to the list so maybe Curt or someothers could recommend the pull down force of the belt tensioner. Corky saw somewhere that IHC recommends ~150 pounds of force on the belt tensioner.......whew!!! I guess a guy could use a bathroom scale. Take Care Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done > Good job buddy. Take a nice close-up & I'll stick it on my website with > your > name on it. > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > > Well it's a beautiful morning so thought I'd shoot some after pictures. > > Many thanks to Corky my machinist bud and of course John Cullom, the GAL > > MAN!!! The SEL is FANTASTIC and I thank all that contributed!! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jhcullom at adelphia.net Tue Nov 9 05:53:06 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (jhcullom at adelphia.net) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 8:53:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done Message-ID: <20041109135307.FBZM11936.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> The belt on mine is rather tight, so the tensioner doesn't pull it down very far. Also, the tensioner pulley is pretty heavy as well, so I don't have to hook the spring to it. I'm at work now so I can't measure the downward force. John > From: "Richard Strobel" > Could you possibly guess how much pull down force on your belt tensioner? > I guess the only way would be to swag it in lbs. Mine really flops up and > down and I would guess it has ~ 25 pounds of pull down force...maybe less. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Nov 9 06:12:07 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 07:12:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit ..long ramble References: <001301c4c5e7$5e246fe0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: I really appreciate all the replies gang!! It was the most fun I could ever have..at my age :-)) Still need to "Coon-Tune" some pinstriping and do something with the bearing(s) on the belt tensioner. Latch needs some work and it needs retimed. I do wish I would have painted it in the bright sunlight as I now see some spots that didn't get covered well. It does shine a lot better than the pictures show. I'm very happy with the Nason paint and it didn't dig too deep into my pockets. Alan, I've cut a few discs like Curt and Missy do, but haven't even put a sharp on the blade yet. That revolving 1500 rpm blade is sure intimidating...and the blade condition is #1 on my safety list..so far it doesn't get warm. The automatic greaser on the rod works very well. I believe it was Pip who recommended the 10 to 4 clock angle on the flow control. This appears to work very well. Be careful with a new one, the flow control screwdriver slot turns VERY hard and easy to strip out. THANKS Pip!! The Webster thanks to Ted and Bill seems very strong. Maybe one of these days I'll send the tag to one of them and have them transfer the stamping to the new tag. It sure looks good and glad someone makes repro's. Curt, the finish on the wheel (trucks) is the stuff you insulate plier handles with. Somewhile back we talked about using truck bed liner like Rhino liner. I believe that would work better as the other stuff sure picks up crap. This baby is heavy and there's no way I can pull it on the grass. Just glad the neighbor kid stopped by with the wheeler. He's a strong lad :-) Again thanks all..more pictures to come with the PO and some scenery shots as soon as I go get the neighbors trailer. Have a good'un!! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done > Great looking saw outfit Rick! > You guys did a well done job. > Your weather is much better too. > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > Howdy all; > > Well it's a beautiful morning so thought I'd shoot some after > > pictures. > > Many thanks to Corky my machinist bud and of course John Cullom, the GAL > > MAN!!! The SEL is FANTASTIC and I thank all that contributed!! > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/213772212/213772212iTMqUd > > > > RickinMt. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 9 09:45:39 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:45:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Bamford - Bamford - Bamford Message-ID: Hi Folks, Thanks to some just-completed webbing by that AWESOME webmistress, Dolly French, I can now share with you a trio of Bamfords. The first is this year's "English" engine; a 2-1/2 hp Tulip Top Bamford, known affectionately as "Miss Whiplash." She had her stateside rally debut at Cotton Ginning Days in North Carolina. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/bamford.htm The second is a Bamford grain mill that's currently being re-assembled after being taken to bits to allow shipping across the pond with Miss Whiplash. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/mill.htm The third is a Bamford oil cake breaker that's still in England. They are such wicked toothy machines!!! http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/cakebreaker.htm Enjoy! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Nov 9 10:00:26 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:00:26 -0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Bamford - Bamford - Bamford In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200411091800.iA9I0W41038173@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Thanks to some just-completed webbing by that AWESOME > webmistress, Dolly > French, I can now share with you a trio of Bamfords. Woo hoo! The Triple Crown... the Trifecta! That's some nice iron you got, bro. Please refresh my memory... what's an oil cake and why do you want to break one? Rob From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 9 10:08:11 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:08:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] RE: Bamford - Bamford - Bamford In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rob, > Woo hoo! The Triple Crown... the Trifecta! That's some nice iron you got, bro. Thanks!! > Please refresh my memory... what's an oil cake and why do you want to break one? _Some_ folks just don't follow the links... 8-)) http://oldenginehouse.users.btopenworld.com/cakemill.htm BTW lacking oil cakes, chunks of particle board dropped in the hopper get chomped up into small pieces in a VERY impressive way. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Nov 9 03:43:31 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:43:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz info wanted Message-ID: <110920041143.13555.3d00@mchsi.com> Ken, For sure that is an early Lorenz then mine or most of the ones I know of here in the states. If like the later engines tell him to exam the crank under the rear housing and there should be a serial number stamped there some where. Maybe Arnie Fero can give some insight on dating it since he has the registry. Curt Andree > Can anyone help this fellow in South Africa with any info on this > presumably later model Lorenz? There is no name plate, so model > and serial numbers are missing. > http://www.oldiron-nut.com/temp/lorenz2.jpg > > Please pass any info on to me and I will forward it to him. > > Thank you and take care. > > > Ken Christison > christison at coastalnet.com > www.oldiron-nut.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Nov 9 11:31:17 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:31:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Bamford - Bamford - Bamford References: Message-ID: <001101c4c692$b4532810$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Arnie, When you're finished with all your Bamford toys, you could thinking about something like this :o)) http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/arniemill.htm Happy milling, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 9 11:36:32 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:36:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Bamford - Bamford - Bamford In-Reply-To: <001101c4c692$b4532810$3e636854@Sixmjohn> References: <001101c4c692$b4532810$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Hi John, That will never work. There's WAY too much empty space. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, John Hammink wrote: > When you're finished with all your Bamford toys, you > could thinking about something like this :o)) > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/arniemill.htm > > Happy milling, From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Nov 9 11:52:54 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:52:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan Message-ID: Hi Everybody, A couple weeks ago I asked about sealing up the crankcase and fuel tank on my 3hp John Deere. I picked up some cork type gasket material from Carquest and cut myself some new gaskets. I cleaned up all the cast surfaces with a razor blade then wiped them down with mineral spirits. I then took some permatex and put a small bead on the cast surfaces and assembled it all together. I did all this the weekend before last. This past weekend I added the oil and some fuel and cranked it up. It started and ran fine and didn't have any leaks show up. Time will tell, but it looks good so far. Just thought I'd share with the way I did it. Thanks for the advice everyone gave me. Here is a few pictures I took while I was working on it. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/jd/jd.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Tue Nov 9 12:12:00 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:12:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] R&H, Apple top Petters Message-ID: <019b01c4c698$61156fe0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Was someone asking about R&H sideshafts or Apple top Petters. I have both for sale , call my cell only, 1.207.939.89764 thanks Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 9 13:36:27 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:36:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Rejuvinating your club References: Message-ID: <002d01c4c6a4$2c5ac960$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> On RFD tv they were at a club that has "School Days" . No public , just kids and exhibitors . the buses come and they run them through there all day long . Thats a winner from every angle . You gotta get the kids involved they are always good at finding stuff , being so close to the floor . > _Some_ folks just don't follow the links... 8-)) > http://oldenginehouse.users.btopenworld.com/cakemill.htm > > BTW lacking oil cakes, chunks of particle board dropped in the hopper get > chomped up into small pieces in a VERY impressive way. > > See ya, Arnie Paint some flying tiger teeth on it and feed it boogie boards . I bet the kids would love that . Taliban pinatas would offend From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Nov 9 14:08:22 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:08:22 +0000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Bamford - Bamford - Bamford References: Message-ID: <41913FD6.3B604D6C@insulate.co.uk> Oh, Arnie! What a wasted opportunity! You should've told him that we dig up oil out of the ground in big solid cakes, then grind it up to get the oil out! Dolly Arnie Fero wrote: > > Please refresh my memory... what's an oil cake and why do you want to break one? > > _Some_ folks just don't follow the links... 8-)) > http://oldenginehouse.users.btopenworld.com/cakemill.htm > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Nov 9 14:09:38 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:09:38 EST Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done Message-ID: <88.19191f98.2ec29a22@aol.com> In a message dated 11/8/2004 1:13:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: << Well it's a beautiful morning so thought I'd shoot some after pictures. >> Rick, A beautiful job on the engine and cart! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Nov 9 14:22:06 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:22:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Weld Mold 706 Message-ID: <4191430E.69D936D7@insulate.co.uk> Hi I've had someone ask where these rods can be obtained. Any ideas, anyone? Thanks, Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From George_Best at adp.com Tue Nov 9 14:28:22 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:28:22 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Bamford - Bamford - Bamford Message-ID: Bamford is proud of the silver medal they won. I've got a couple questions on the medal they won. Was the silver medal the highest award? In today's ranking of medals, a gold medal would be first place and a silver is second place. So was Bamford proud of a second place finish (in which case I wonder who won the gold) or at that time was the silver medal the highest honor? From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Nov 9 15:57:23 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:57:23 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Weld Mold 706 References: <4191430E.69D936D7@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <001c01c4c6b7$dbf33340$3e636854@Sixmjohn> He Dolly, you wrote an article about it, remember!! Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 09:14:52 -0800 From: John Wilkens Subject: Re: Cast Iron Welding Curt, the fella who put us onto this Polyweld 700/706 welding rod was Bob Bolhuis (Canada). We found a good source that will sell the 1/8" 706 stick rod in less that 10 pound tubes. The price is good--about $11.50/lb. Contact Greg (Brance Mgr.), AFA Gas, Danville, Il. 217-443-0204. UPS shipping OK. John W. Take care, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Hi > > I've had someone ask where these rods can be obtained. Any ideas, > anyone? > > Thanks, > > Dolly From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Nov 9 16:19:47 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:19:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Bamford - Bamford - Bamford References: Message-ID: <000801c4c6ba$fc6c01d0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> George, I thought in the 20ths gold was to ???. and silver was good enough for this tail. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/silvermedal.jpg John H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" > Bamford is proud of the silver medal they won. > > I've got a couple questions on the medal they won. > > Was the silver medal the highest award? > > In today's ranking of medals, a gold medal would be first place and a > silver is second place. > So was Bamford proud of a second place finish (in which case I wonder > who won the gold) or at that time was the silver medal the highest > honor? From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Nov 9 16:42:49 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:42:49 -0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Bamford - Bamford - Bamford In-Reply-To: <41913FD6.3B604D6C@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <200411100042.iAA0gtQY059105@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > we dig up oil out of the > ground in big solid cakes, then grind it up to get the oil out! Thanks girlfriend, There's no way I was gonna buy into that load of bollocks that Arnie was trying to pass off. Geez! That guy will say anything! Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From alanb2 at webtv.net Tue Nov 9 17:16:22 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:16:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rejuvenating your club In-Reply-To: 's message of Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:36:27 -0600 Message-ID: <11296-41916BE6-7271@storefull-3276.bay.webtv.net> What club were they at? The Buckley club here in Michigan calls theirs Education Days. They had their EDs in the first week of October. Because of my new job I couldn't be there, but it went great. The weather was ever good. 8>)) I WAS at the event last year and we had cold rain then it turned to snow. The local newspaper had a huge picture on it's front page the next day of the club's train coming around the corner in what looked like a blizzard. The photographer made it look like that by using a telephoto lens from back a ways so he was shooting the picture through more snow. It is an event where a LOT of club members join together for the good of over 400 4th grade kids and they all have a good time together. I hope next year when I have some vacation days I can set up a corn processing display and and let all the kids shell a couple tons of corn for me. 8>)) Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan ~~kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote~~~~ On RFD tv they were at a club that has "School Days" . No public , just kids and exhibitors . the buses come and they run them through there all day long . Thats a winner from every angle . You gotta get the kids involved they are always good at finding stuff , being so close to the floor . From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Nov 9 17:29:32 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:29:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: Bamford - Bamford - Bamford Message-ID: <20041109.202948.984.0.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks Arnie, http://oldenginehouse.users.btopenworld.com/cakemill.htm Never heard of a cake breaker. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Nov 9 17:34:29 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:34:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan Message-ID: <20041109.203752.984.1.jlb94@juno.com> Congratulations on no leaks Luke. I find that the cork gasket material today seems to be too coarse, or of a cheap cork, and usually leaks for me. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From yostsw at atis.net Tue Nov 9 20:42:09 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:42:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200411092342090906.452D21E7@heavyiron.atis.net> Great job cutting the gasket. Looks very professional Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 11/9/2004 at 7:52 PM Luke Tonneberger wrote: >Hi Everybody, > >A couple weeks ago I asked about sealing up the crankcase and fuel tank on >my 3hp John Deere. I picked up some cork type gasket material from >Carquest >and cut myself some new gaskets. I cleaned up all the cast surfaces with a >razor blade then wiped them down with mineral spirits. I then took some >permatex and put a small bead on the cast surfaces and assembled it all >together. I did all this the weekend before last. This past weekend I >added >the oil and some fuel and cranked it up. It started and ran fine and >didn't >have any leaks show up. Time will tell, but it looks good so far. Just >thought I'd share with the way I did it. Thanks for the advice everyone >gave >me. Here is a few pictures I took while I was working on it. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/jd/jd.html > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Nov 9 20:56:25 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:56:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Bamford - Bamford - Bamford In-Reply-To: <001101c4c692$b4532810$3e636854@Sixmjohn> References: <001101c4c692$b4532810$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041109235437.0228fc70@mail.alltel.net> At 02:31 PM 11/9/2004, you wrote: >Hi Arnie, >When you're finished with all your Bamford toys, you >could thinking about something like this :o)) >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/arniemill.htm >Happy milling, >John Hammink Arnie only drinks Old Mill when he runs out of his private stock! Dave From pjp at steamengine.com.au Wed Nov 10 01:24:11 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:24:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4191DE3B.3050806@steamengine.com.au> Nice saw and impressive tow vehicle. Paul Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all; > Well it's a beautiful morning so thought I'd shoot some after pictures. > Many thanks to Corky my machinist bud and of course John Cullom, the GAL > MAN!!! The SEL is FANTASTIC and I thank all that contributed!! > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From fbi at insulate.co.uk Wed Nov 10 03:52:22 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:52:22 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Weld Mold 706 References: <4191430E.69D936D7@insulate.co.uk> <001c01c4c6b7$dbf33340$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <419200F6.7818CA66@insulate.co.uk> Hi John John Hammink wrote: > He Dolly, you wrote an article about it, remember!! I know - but I didn't mention where you can get it from!!! I think that was why the guy asked me in the first place ;-) Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Nov 10 03:59:30 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:59:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Weld Mold 706 Message-ID: A search on google.....second hit provided the info below.......... I picked some up but have the info at home. If I remember right they sent me about 6 sticks for free to try out. I have been very satisfied the few times I have used it. It flows like butter. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ------------- Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:06:37 -0500 (EST) From: Arnie Fero x4891 E-478 Subject: Re: Cast welding-new info on 706 rod Hi Folks, There have been a number of requests for the "source" info that John Wilkens provided for Weld Mold 706 rod for no-preheat cast iron welding. Here tis... BTW my two pounds arrived last week... Not tried it yet. See ya, Arnie - ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From owner-stationary-engine at newidea.atis.net Fri Feb 23 10:44:16 2001 Hi Folks, I just got off the phone after chatting with Greg. As John said, he's fantastic to deal with. I'd say this should be THE "SEL Source Site" for ordering Weld Mold 706 rod. I've got two pounds "in the mail." Thanks John for posting this!!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA feroa at vemnus.pgh.wec.com >For those interested in the prior thread on Bob's good experience with Weld >Mold 706 rod, I found a source that will sell the 1/8" 706 stick rod in >less that 10 pound tubes. The price is good--about $11.50/lb. Contact >Greg (Branch Mgr.), AFA Gas, Danville, Il. 217-443-0204. UPS shipping OK. > Nice fellow to deal with. John W. > > John Wilkens ========================================================== >From: Jim French >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: Stationary Engine List >Subject: [SEL] Weld Mold 706 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:22:06 +0000 > >Hi > >I've had someone ask where these rods can be obtained. Any ideas, >anyone? > >Thanks, > >Dolly > >-- >Jim French >fbi at insulate.co.uk >http://www.insulate.co.uk From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Nov 10 04:37:17 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:37:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Sort of OT: Odd iron on building In-Reply-To: <200411041202.iA4C2IdO089995@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200411101237.iAACbNiG044596@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Thanks to all for their input on this one. It looks like there could be as many reasons as there are sheets of iron ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 10 04:52:50 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:52:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan References: <20041109.203752.984.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <004501c4c724$302074c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > I find that the cork gasket material today seems to be too coarse, or of > a cheap cork, and usually leaks for me. that would be an effect of the advent of the big box stores , ask for Victor , somewhere else . Superior to the old stuff . The chinese stuff is inferior to all . But its only $3.00 . From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 10 05:03:57 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:03:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Rejuvenating your club References: <11296-41916BE6-7271@storefull-3276.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <004b01c4c725$bdb21ae0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > What club were they at? I didnt catch it all . Vista ? ......Ca. ? They kept coming back to a guy bar starting a Cat . They are interviewing a tractor boy , he's telling this fascinating story about how they bought this then bought that then bought this (technically mesmerizing stuff )while in the background one can here a 10-15 hp engine hitting every 20-30 seconds and lots of little ones . I think thats a pretty groovy idea , to not let in anybody over this high for one day . Chuck? From curt at imc-group.com Wed Nov 10 06:35:08 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:35:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done In-Reply-To: References: <00dd01c4c5fd$4c300630$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <4192271C.4010708@imc-group.com> Rick, Wow what a beauty! I am pleased to hear you say you plan on cutting a bit of wood on the Galloway saw. It really would be a shame to spend all the time and effort restoring and painting a saw rig and never have it see any real use again. Right Dave, Arnie??? As for the weight of the tensioner, the IHC "recommendation" is excessive at 150#, unless they are speaking of 150# of tension within the belt itself. The idler pulley on my Herc saw rig weighs about 30# and is heavier that the original since I turned it from a solid piece. Running a few numbers determined the internal belt tension is about 53# at the amount of belt deflection I currently have. With a 30# roller and 53# of internal belt tension I have never been able to slip the belt on this saw rig even when really loaded up. I'm certain the original idler was lighter and would have resulted in less belt tension. The idler on the Famous saw rig is considerable lighter. Without weighing it I would guess in the neighborhood of 15#. It is supposed to have a spring and handwheel assembly that provides down load to the idler to increase belt tension, but I don't have those parts made yet. I have been running this saw at shows for a couple of years now and the belt does not slip under load. I'll venture a guess that there is less belt tension on the Famous than on the Hercules. That said, I would not make any attempt to impose 150# on your belt tensioner, the arbor babbitt bearings, or the engine bearings. These parts might just give up! If you have 25# of tensioner weight, be assured that should be plenty. If you have a bouncing problem with the idler (so does my Famous), either ignore it or focus on adding some damping. Create some friction at the pivot point by clamping some dished washers or using rubber washers, etc. Basically you want to make a torsional shock absorber. Curt P.S. Would you post a couple of closeup photos of the pinstriping details? Richard Strobel wrote: >Thanks John! I still need to fix a few problems and then I'll shoot some >closeups. Plus it needs a good cleanup. It was such a beautiful morning, I >couldn't resist. > > Could you possibly guess how much pull down force on your belt tensioner? >I guess the only way would be to swag it in lbs. Mine really flops up and >down and I would guess it has ~ 25 pounds of pull down force...maybe less. > > and you'r right. Galloways are cold blooded. I heat the mixer and have >much better luck. > > Just saw this is going to the list so maybe Curt or someothers could >recommend the pull down force of the belt tensioner. Corky saw somewhere >that IHC recommends ~150 pounds of force on the belt tensioner.......whew!!! > > I guess a guy could use a bathroom scale. > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Nov 10 06:50:14 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:50:14 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Richard Bamford Message-ID: <002601c4c734$9754f250$6b856ad5@no1> I am passing on the message below from the English engine list. I also knew Richard over many years & fully agree with everything Phillip says below. __________________________________________________________ I've just heard the sad news from Eric Brain that Richard Bamford passed away on October 14th. I had the pleasure of meeting him several times, and always found him to be a real gentleman. A sad loss to the preservation world, after all he actually made some of the engines we now see on the rallyfield. Eric was going to post this message but I'm doing it on his behalf due to browser problems in Bath :-( Philip T-E _____________________________________________________________ Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Nov 10 07:42:21 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:42:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Bamford - Bamford - Bamford References: Message-ID: Very NICE IRON Arn!! Great pictures also. Thank you RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 10:45 AM Subject: [SEL] Bamford - Bamford - Bamford > Hi Folks, > > Thanks to some just-completed webbing by that AWESOME webmistress, Dolly > French, I can now share with you a trio of Bamfords. > > > The first is this year's "English" engine; a 2-1/2 hp Tulip Top Bamford, > known affectionately as "Miss Whiplash." She had her stateside rally > debut at Cotton Ginning Days in North Carolina. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/bamford.htm > > > The second is a Bamford grain mill that's currently being re-assembled > after being taken to bits to allow shipping across the pond with Miss > Whiplash. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/mill.htm > > > The third is a Bamford oil cake breaker that's still in England. They are > such wicked toothy machines!!! > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/cakebreaker.htm > > > Enjoy! > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Nov 10 08:13:25 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:13:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Bamford - Bamford - Bamford In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Rick! All credit for good pics (and great webbing) go to Dolly. See ya, Arnie On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, Richard Strobel wrote: > Very NICE IRON Arn!! Great pictures also. > > Thank you > RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Nov 10 08:32:34 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:32:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done References: <00dd01c4c5fd$4c300630$6401a8c0@office> <4192271C.4010708@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Thanks Curt..means a lot. Here's a picture from an old flyer that I used as a guide line for the pinstriping. http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/138407159kActEa Take Care pard Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Galloway 5hp Saw Outfit..finally done > Rick, > Wow what a beauty! I am pleased to hear you say you plan on cutting a > bit of wood on the Galloway saw. It really would be a shame to spend all > the time and effort restoring and painting a saw rig and never have it > see any real use again. Right Dave, Arnie??? > > As for the weight of the tensioner, the IHC "recommendation" is > excessive at 150#, unless they are speaking of 150# of tension within > the belt itself. > The idler pulley on my Herc saw rig weighs about 30# and is heavier that > the original since I turned it from a solid piece. > Running a few numbers determined the internal belt tension is about 53# > at the amount of belt deflection I currently have. With a 30# roller and > 53# of internal belt tension I have never been able to slip the belt on > this saw rig even when really loaded up. I'm certain the original idler > was lighter and would have resulted in less belt tension. > > The idler on the Famous saw rig is considerable lighter. Without > weighing it I would guess in the neighborhood of 15#. It is supposed to > have a spring and handwheel assembly that provides down load to the > idler to increase belt tension, but I don't have those parts made yet. I > have been running this saw at shows for a couple of years now and the > belt does not slip under load. I'll venture a guess that there is less > belt tension on the Famous than on the Hercules. > > That said, I would not make any attempt to impose 150# on your belt > tensioner, the arbor babbitt bearings, or the engine bearings. These > parts might just give up! If you have 25# of tensioner weight, be > assured that should be plenty. If you have a bouncing problem with the > idler (so does my Famous), either ignore it or focus on adding some > damping. Create some friction at the pivot point by clamping some dished > washers or using rubber washers, etc. Basically you want to make a > torsional shock absorber. > Curt > P.S. Would you post a couple of closeup photos of the pinstriping details? > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > >Thanks John! I still need to fix a few problems and then I'll shoot some > >closeups. Plus it needs a good cleanup. It was such a beautiful > >morning, I > >couldn't resist. > > > > Could you possibly guess how much pull down force on your belt > > tensioner? > >I guess the only way would be to swag it in lbs. Mine really flops up > >and > >down and I would guess it has ~ 25 pounds of pull down force...maybe > >less. > > > > and you'r right. Galloways are cold blooded. I heat the mixer and > > have > >much better luck. > > > > Just saw this is going to the list so maybe Curt or someothers could > >recommend the pull down force of the belt tensioner. Corky saw somewhere > >that IHC recommends ~150 pounds of force on the belt > >tensioner.......whew!!! > > > > I guess a guy could use a bathroom scale. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Nov 10 09:09:32 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:09:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Galloway Sawing Outfit Message-ID: I was going to just email Curt, but believe it belongs on the List. I don't remember if you said you found a sawrig, Curt, but beware of the belt tensioner pulley shaft. We could not press it out and had her up to over 10 ton. I can spin the shaft with a pipe wrench. We finally drilled it out and it appears that the shaft was placed in the mold (sand?) and then the casting poured. This sounds weird and we've never seen this used before. The pulley shaft appears to have had a ridge and the casting probably had a groove for this to fit in. Hope I explained it right RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From curt at imc-group.com Wed Nov 10 12:12:42 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:12:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2004 Message-ID: <4192763A.4000900@imc-group.com> Well I finally got a few pictures from Cotton Ginning Days 2004 up on our club web site. Yes, I been training at the Fero school of procrastination! I hope you enjoy them. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. Arnie, when are you going to post your CGD's photos? From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Nov 10 13:00:12 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:00:12 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2004 References: <4192763A.4000900@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001601c4c768$6612c990$6b856ad5@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 8:12 PM Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2004 > Well I finally got a few pictures from Cotton Ginning Days 2004 up on > our club web site. Yes, I been training at the Fero school of > procrastination! > I hope you enjoy them. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. Arnie, when are you going to post your CGD's photos? About 2 years after he posts the English trip pictures he took 2 years ago 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From marvhed at ecenet.com Wed Nov 10 14:31:20 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:31:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] OT sorta --Jensen pump jack info wanted In-Reply-To: <20041104153200.6370.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <30833.199.62.0.252.1099571764.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> <20041104153200.6370.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <33468.199.62.0.252.1100125880.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> steve, i recieved the spec and data sheets from jenson for the 2 smallest water pump jacks as well as the prints to make the cable clamps. is that customer service or what!!! thanks, marv in minn > Marvin > > My Dad purchased one earlier this year and has done some work on it. I > snapped these pics this morning on the way out. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/EngineEquip/jensenpumpjack.htm > > There are 2 smaller pumpjacks, but this is the smallest one that looks > like its bigger brothers. Flat weights on the beam and coutnter weights. > > Steve > --- MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > > i recently purchased a Jensen pump jack. > (looks like a miniature oil well pump) > thanks, marv in minn. > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Nov 10 15:14:53 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:14:53 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT sorta --Jensen pump jack info wanted In-Reply-To: <33468.199.62.0.252.1100125880.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <200411102314.iAANEEkq071643@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > steve, > i recieved the spec and data sheets from jenson for the 2 > smallest water > pump jacks as well as the prints to make the cable clamps. > is that customer service or what!!! Hi Marv, I just walked in the door from visiting our junk storage. The tag on our 13W says 40 SPM. From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Nov 10 17:22:40 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:22:40 EST Subject: [SEL] Dstrojan Message-ID: <13f.60cc350.2ec418e0@aol.com> Anyone heard from Tommy Dstrojan lately or know if he has changed his email address? I usually see him on my buddy list and chat once in a while, but have not seen or heard from him in quite a few weeks now. Have sent him 2 emails in the last two weeks, and no answer there either. Last known address is: Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com Just curious that he is doing ok. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Wed Nov 10 18:54:13 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:54:13 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] RE:piston ring upside down Message-ID: <20041111025413.25865.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> G'day Ed I had this dilemma just a few weeks ago. I dunno whether you've had other replies, but my thoughts directed me to place the lower oil ring with the bevel facing toward the top of piston. I reckoned that on the piston travel downward, a pool of oil at the bevel would coat the cylinder and the compression rings would receive that oil next in line. I dunno what happens on the up stroke, but my engine ran 2 days non stop at the Oz Ronnie Rally. Someone must know for sure though. I could have a look at my cooper-stover CT2, but I think I've got 3 standard (comp) rings anyway! Cheers Graham in Oz Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:32:24 -0500 From: "ED" Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Upside down To: , "stationary-engine at atis.net" Message-ID: <002d01c4c5d2$1029dec0$05a4f504 at x8h7l9> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I want to put the rings back on the piston of my Stover CT2 and the bottom, ( oil ) ring has a bevel on one side and a sharp edge on the other. Does anybody know if the bevel goes towards the top of the piston or towards the skirt. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From alanb2 at webtv.net Wed Nov 10 20:06:09 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:06:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rejuvenating your club In-Reply-To: 's message of Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:03:57 -0600 Message-ID: <809-4192E531-561@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net> The Buckley club's Education Days is a two day event. There is another club North of here that has been doing the same thing three days. Next year they are holding the event four days straight. There are just so many schools that want to be part of it. I know going to a three day event was just discussed last Friday evening at the Nov. Buckley Club meeting. Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Mchigan ~~~~~~~Chuck wrote~~~~~ What club were they at? I didnt catch it all . Vista ? ......Ca. ? They kept coming back to a guy bar starting a Cat . They are interviewing a tractor boy , he's telling this fascinating story about how they bought this then bought that then bought this (technically mesmerizing stuff )while in the background one can here a 10-15 hp engine hitting every 20-30 seconds and ??lots of little ones . I think thats a pretty groovy idea , to not let in anybody over this high for one day . Chuck? From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Nov 11 03:51:48 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:51:48 +0000 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan Message-ID: That's the kind I got Chuck, the Victor brand. It didn't have the big chunks of cork that is a pain in the butt to cut. This stuff cut real nice and the cork is made up of itty bitty pieces. I think it was around $20 for a 1/8" by 36" by 18" piece. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================= >From: >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:52:50 -0600 > > > > I find that the cork gasket material today seems to be too coarse, or of > > a cheap cork, and usually leaks for me. > > >that would be an effect of the advent of the big box stores , > ask for Victor , somewhere else . Superior to the old stuff . >The chinese stuff is inferior to all . But its only $3.00 . From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Nov 11 04:00:34 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:00:34 +0000 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan Message-ID: Thanks Spencer. I take a piece of white paper and lay it on the cast. Then with greasy fingers I run my fingers over all of the edges and holes. It leaves a perfect outline on the paper. Then I cut out the greasy tracing with some scissors. Take the template and tape it onto the cork gasket material and cut it out with a razor knife. I used a straight edge to cut the straight portions. For the holes I used a hollowed out punch looking deal. I got a couple of them in a box of junk from an auction. I think they are for punching holes in leather or something like that. Probably could make the same thing with a piece of pipe or tubing with the 'cutting edge' cut on an angle with the bench grinder. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =================== >From: "Spencer Yost" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: Re[2]: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan >Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:42:09 -0500 > >Great job cutting the gasket. Looks very professional > >Spencer Yost >Owner, ATIS >Plow the Net! >http://www.atis.net From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Nov 11 04:29:45 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:29:45 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2004 Message-ID: Fantastic pictures Curt!! Thanks for taking and posting them. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =============== >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: SEL >Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2004 >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:12:42 -0500 > >Well I finally got a few pictures from Cotton Ginning Days 2004 up on our >club web site. Yes, I been training at the Fero school of procrastination! >I hope you enjoy them. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC >P.S. Arnie, when are you going to post your CGD's photos? > > From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Nov 11 05:58:54 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:58:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE:piston ring upside down References: <20041111025413.25865.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101c4c7f6$96e838a0$90a4f504@x8h7l9> Thanks Graham, Tom got me an answer right away,so I put the piston together and stored it for now. Knowing the reason helps me remember the details. The way I understand it, the bevel on top spreads the oil on the up ( in ) stroke and the sharp edge wipes the oil on the down (out ) stroke. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Harris" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:54 PM Subject: [SEL] RE:piston ring upside down > G'day Ed > > I had this dilemma just a few weeks ago. I dunno > whether you've had other replies, but my thoughts > directed me to place the lower oil ring with the bevel > facing toward the top of piston. > > I reckoned that on the piston travel downward, a pool > of oil at the bevel would coat the cylinder and the > compression rings would receive that oil next in line. > I dunno what happens on the up stroke, but my engine > ran 2 days non stop at the Oz Ronnie Rally. Someone > must know for sure though. I could have a look at my > cooper-stover CT2, but I think I've got 3 standard > (comp) rings anyway! > > > Cheers > > Graham in Oz > > > Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:32:24 -0500 > From: "ED" > Subject: [SEL] Piston Ring Upside down > To: , > "stationary-engine at atis.net" > > Message-ID: <002d01c4c5d2$1029dec0$05a4f504 at x8h7l9> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I want to put the rings back on the piston of my > Stover CT2 and > the bottom, ( oil ) ring has a bevel on one side and a > sharp edge > on the other. Does anybody know if the bevel goes > towards the > top of the piston or towards the skirt. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Nov 11 06:07:21 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:07:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan References: Message-ID: <002301c4c7f7$c5cccf40$90a4f504@x8h7l9> I will have to remember your trick. I need to cut a head gasket and was thinking of spray painting the mating surface and immediately placing it on the gasket stock to transfer the pattern. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 7:00 AM Subject: RE: Re[2]: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan > Thanks Spencer. I take a piece of white paper and lay it on the cast. Then > with greasy fingers I run my fingers over all of the edges and holes. It > leaves a perfect outline on the paper. Then I cut out the greasy tracing > with some scissors. Take the template and tape it onto the cork gasket > material and cut it out with a razor knife. I used a straight edge to cut > the straight portions. For the holes I used a hollowed out punch looking > deal. I got a couple of them in a box of junk from an auction. I think they > are for punching holes in leather or something like that. Probably could > make the same thing with a piece of pipe or tubing with the 'cutting edge' > cut on an angle with the bench grinder. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > =================== > >From: "Spencer Yost" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >Subject: Re[2]: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan > >Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:42:09 -0500 > > > >Great job cutting the gasket. Looks very professional > > > >Spencer Yost > >Owner, ATIS > >Plow the Net! > >http://www.atis.net > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 11 07:04:17 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:04:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2004 In-Reply-To: <4192763A.4000900@imc-group.com> References: <4192763A.4000900@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, Nice pics and nice writeup. You should add the weight of that cotton bale. Very impressive! http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2004/043.jpg See ya, Arnie On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, Curt wrote: > Well I finally got a few pictures from Cotton Ginning Days 2004 up on > our club web site. Yes, I been training at the Fero school of > procrastination! From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Nov 11 04:19:39 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:19:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Stover engine dealer info needed Message-ID: <111120041219.6321.636b@mchsi.com> Looking for any info on the Gerherd & Hey Co.,NY,NY who purchased large amounts of Stover engines between 1913 to 1920. They later changed their name to Echard & Hey Co. Wondering if any one out east might not beable to help me. thankyou in advance, Curt Andree From don.h at wcoil.com Thu Nov 11 09:59:13 2004 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:59:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <004001c4c818$27a9db70$6401a8c0@shop> Thanks to all our vet,s out there Don in ohio 23443572 From falcon at telenet.net Thu Nov 11 12:09:19 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:09:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A personal thanks to all the Veterans Message-ID: <004501c4c82a$54cb2e80$a01117d1@net.telenet.net> Just wanted to say thank you to all of the Veterans on the lists. Without the sacrifices you made this country and the world itself would not be the place it is today. I thank YOU for the freedoms we have and the ability to speak freely. I also am very sorry for the way many are treated by my generation and others. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY From curt at imc-group.com Thu Nov 11 12:54:36 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:54:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: [HerculesEnginesGroup] J mixer for 5 hp herc / posted to SEL. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4193D18C.9010004@imc-group.com> Rich, One hell of a project you have just finished! I am going to copy this over to the Stationary Engine List because many will find this project very interesting. I hope you would consider joining the SEL in addition to the Herc List you are already on. You can join with this link. http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel I'm assuming you used the steriolithography technology or something similiar to make your mixer from the solid model you drew in CAD. By having this capability you are in an excellent position to go ahead and make a pattern and core box and cast yourself a brand new cast iron mixer. You'll just need to scale your pattern 1.0104 X and add about a 2" extension of the ID of the mixer for your core to be held in. Having this technology available puts you in the enviable position to easily make patterns for your replacement parts for your antique gas engines. Core boxes are particularly difficult and this technology would greatly simplify the process. Hope to see you on the SEL soon. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC on the web at http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/ sachs682000 wrote: > Thought you all might be interested in a project I tried that worked >out well. I have a 5 hp E model herc that was in really bad shape >when I got it. After completely going thru it and bringing it back to >life I still had a problem with the J mixer. It was so corroded and >pitted that I thought maybe this was the problem with the way the >engine ran. So I sat down at the computer with my Pro Engineer >modeling program and proceeded to draw up a model of the mixer. > After several days of getting it just right, I sent the file to my >modeling machine in the shop where I work and reproduced an exact >duplicate of the mixer. Here is the kicker, It is made out of >polycarbonate, basically a white colored plexiglass. After putting in >heli-coils for the needle valve threads and the fuel line attach >point, I removed the original mixer from the engine and attached the >new "model" mixer and it ran perfectly. I ran it for a little over 4 >hours and it worked without a hitch. The fuel didn't seem to bother >it at all. I thought it might eat the Poly material but it didn't. I >realise it is not original but at least now I know I need to find a >new mixer. > I also made a crank guard the same way. But I didn't have an >original to go by, I only had a picture in a book. It didn't come out >looking just right but only someone that is really into the hobby >would notice. I don't really think anyone could tell the difference >in the mixer. Anyway, just thought I pass this on. > > Rich Reed >Southern Maryland > > > > > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Nov 11 13:53:57 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:53:57 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit Message-ID: <20041111.135358.1084.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Last weekend at the Tulare swap meet a cute little Hercules Power unit followed me home. Model ZXB, serial no. 302475. A military version hopped on the trailer to keep it company. What information is available on these little fellows? Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Thu Nov 11 12:15:44 2004 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:15:44 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz info wanted References: <110920041143.13555.3d00@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <003901c4c82b$53dd2f90$7094e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Ken /Curt After studing the picture of the Lorenz along with pictures on the internet and pictures that I have taken in Holland, I would tempt fate and say that this is a latter version of the Lorenz probably throttle goverend I give this view as it looks as if there is a fuel tap at the far side of the picture,also on my own Lorenz which is mid 1920's the governer is contained in a housing on the side shaft. The governer works on the exhaust rocker which is under the cylinder , also a rod operates the inlet valve on top of the cylinder. As to serial numbers these are stamped on every part of the big end bearing plus various small parts ( only the last 2 digits of the number are used ), no complete serial number was found on any place on our engine . To add to the confusion I have translated as best I can from a Lorenz book that is in Chech as follows ; Normal horse power 3 Maximum horse power 3.5 Speed 750 rpm Flywheel 650 mm diameter Weight 240 kg on original steel trolley Bore 100mm diameter Stroke 200mm long See you later Craig Morrison ( Scotland ) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz info wanted > Ken, > For sure that is an early Lorenz then mine or most of the ones I know of here > in the states. If like the later engines tell him to exam the crank under the > rear housing and there should be a serial number stamped there some where. > Maybe Arnie Fero can give some insight on dating it since he has the registry. > Curt Andree > > Can anyone help this fellow in South Africa with any info on this > > presumably later model Lorenz? There is no name plate, so model > > and serial numbers are missing. > > http://www.oldiron-nut.com/temp/lorenz2.jpg > > > > Please pass any info on to me and I will forward it to him. > > > > Thank you and take care. > > > > > > Ken Christison > > christison at coastalnet.com > > www.oldiron-nut.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BetCleve321 at aol.com Thu Nov 11 14:37:35 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:37:35 EST Subject: [SEL] Stover engine dealer info needed Message-ID: <1ea.2f490ac1.2ec543af@aol.com> In a message dated 11/11/2004 10:45:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, cgandree at mchsi.com writes: Looking for any info on the Gerherd & Hey Co.,NY,NY who purchased large amounts of Stover engines between 1913 to 1920. They later changed their name to Echard & Hey Co. Wondering if any one out east might not beable to help me. thankyou in advance, Curt Andree Well, Wallmart is the local Stover dealer here. Trouble is, they don't do the service on 'em. You have to go the local A-1-A John Deere tractor dealer for service. Warranty work is real slow, I hear. That's why I went ahead and got an Inter M engine. Tractor supply sells Farmall stuff. Skip From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Nov 10 18:42:42 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:42:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Dstrojan In-Reply-To: <13f.60cc350.2ec418e0@aol.com> References: <13f.60cc350.2ec418e0@aol.com> Message-ID: <5C5B23C0-338B-11D9-91C3-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> I remember him as Tommy Stojanov. Haven't "talked" to him in a while. Try Googling on his name and see what turns up. John On Nov 10, 2004, at 8:22 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Anyone heard from Tommy Dstrojan lately or know if he has changed his > email > address? I usually see him on my buddy list and chat once in a while, > but have > not seen or heard from him in quite a few weeks now. Have sent him 2 > emails > in the last two weeks, and no answer there either. Last known address > is: > Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com > > Just curious that he is doing ok. > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 11 04:53:19 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 06:53:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2004 References: Message-ID: <003301c4c7ed$6da3bb80$210110ac@PaulMaples> Unbelievable..............Curt you have made history, do you realize you have caught the ICON without his suspenders???, this is truly history making. Great pictures and captions, thanks for all of the time and effort it took to take and process the pictures so the rest of us could enjoy the show. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 6:29 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2004 > Fantastic pictures Curt!! Thanks for taking and posting them. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > =============== > >>From: Curt >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: SEL >>Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2004 >>Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:12:42 -0500 >> >>Well I finally got a few pictures from Cotton Ginning Days 2004 up on our From carrowor2002 at att.net Thu Nov 11 10:06:24 2004 From: carrowor2002 at att.net (Robert Jacobs) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:06:24 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] (no subject) References: <004001c4c818$27a9db70$6401a8c0@shop> Message-ID: <4193AA20.000001.01948@NOTEBOOK> Thank You Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! Carrowor2002 at att.net -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 11/11/04 13:00:28 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Thanks to all our vet,s out there Don in ohio 23443572 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Nov 11 16:55:56 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:55:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit References: <20041111.135358.1084.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <003201c4c852$5fa15aa0$95b3f504@x8h7l9> Hello Ron. I had a Hercules Power Unit follow me home too. It is a 1945 Hobart PE-197, S/N 053. The engine is a 4 cylinder Hercules Model ZXB. The output is 120 Volt and 52 Amps, or 6.3 Kva. It will be a while before I can restore it, but I need help finding a manual. It looks like the one that was by the SEL tent at Portland; was that Jim Dunmyer's ????? Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 4:53 PM Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit > Hi all. > Last weekend at the Tulare swap meet a cute little Hercules Power unit > followed me home. Model ZXB, serial no. 302475. A military version > hopped on the trailer to keep it company. What information is available > on these little fellows? Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Nov 11 17:02:37 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:02:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: [HerculesEnginesGroup] J mixer for 5 hp herc / posted toSEL. References: <4193D18C.9010004@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003f01c4c853$4fdde740$95b3f504@x8h7l9> Curt, If the Herc List might be of help with a 4 cylinder Model ZXB, I would appreciate a link to it. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: ; "SEL" Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 3:54 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: [HerculesEnginesGroup] J mixer for 5 hp herc / posted toSEL. > Rich, > One hell of a project you have just finished! I am going to copy this > over to the Stationary Engine List because many will find this project > very interesting. I hope you would consider joining the SEL in addition > to the Herc List you are already on. You can join with this link. > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > I'm assuming you used the steriolithography technology or something > similiar to make your mixer from the solid model you drew in CAD. By > having this capability you are in an excellent position to go ahead and > make a pattern and core box and cast yourself a brand new cast iron > mixer. You'll just need to scale your pattern 1.0104 X and add about a > 2" extension of the ID of the mixer for your core to be held in. > > Having this technology available puts you in the enviable position to > easily make patterns for your replacement parts for your antique gas > engines. Core boxes are particularly difficult and this technology would > greatly simplify the process. > Hope to see you on the SEL soon. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > on the web at http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/ > > > sachs682000 wrote: > > > Thought you all might be interested in a project I tried that worked > >out well. I have a 5 hp E model herc that was in really bad shape > >when I got it. After completely going thru it and bringing it back to > >life I still had a problem with the J mixer. It was so corroded and > >pitted that I thought maybe this was the problem with the way the > >engine ran. So I sat down at the computer with my Pro Engineer > >modeling program and proceeded to draw up a model of the mixer. > > After several days of getting it just right, I sent the file to my > >modeling machine in the shop where I work and reproduced an exact > >duplicate of the mixer. Here is the kicker, It is made out of > >polycarbonate, basically a white colored plexiglass. After putting in > >heli-coils for the needle valve threads and the fuel line attach > >point, I removed the original mixer from the engine and attached the > >new "model" mixer and it ran perfectly. I ran it for a little over 4 > >hours and it worked without a hitch. The fuel didn't seem to bother > >it at all. I thought it might eat the Poly material but it didn't. I > >realise it is not original but at least now I know I need to find a > >new mixer. > > I also made a crank guard the same way. But I didn't have an > >original to go by, I only had a picture in a book. It didn't come out > >looking just right but only someone that is really into the hobby > >would notice. I don't really think anyone could tell the difference > >in the mixer. Anyway, just thought I pass this on. > > > > Rich Reed > >Southern Maryland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Nov 11 21:32:54 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:32:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] "OT" Worth a look. Message-ID: <003201c4c879$0ffb9340$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hi all, Haven't tried it yet, but looks pretty good to me. Way OT yes. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11835495~mode=flat Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Nov 12 04:29:52 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:29:52 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit Message-ID: This is the one that belonged to Jim. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-17.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-18.jpg Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ==================== >From: "ED" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules power unit >Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:55:56 -0500 > >Hello Ron. > >I had a Hercules Power Unit follow me home too. It is a 1945 Hobart PE-197, >S/N 053. The engine is a 4 cylinder Hercules Model ZXB. The output is 120 >Volt and 52 Amps, or 6.3 Kva. It will be a while before I can restore it, >but I need help finding a manual. It looks like the one that was by the SEL >tent at Portland; was that Jim Dunmyer's ????? > >Ed Stoller >New Fairfield, CT > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: ; >Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 4:53 PM >Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit > > > > Hi all. > > Last weekend at the Tulare swap meet a cute little Hercules Power unit > > followed me home. Model ZXB, serial no. 302475. A military version > > hopped on the trailer to keep it company. What information is available > > on these little fellows? Thanks. > > > > Ron Haskell > > rdhaskell at juno.com > > Riverside, California > > USA > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 11 09:15:27 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:15:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] John Deere Fuel Tank/Oil Pan References: Message-ID: <005801c4c812$0b91fd60$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/jd/jdcrankcase2.JPG very clean , next time lay the paper on this pretty iron flange , with the round end of a ball pien tap out a bolt hole at 10 o'clock put a bolt in the hole and then do the one 180 degrees out once you have a bolt in all four corners .either finish cutting it with the hammer or rub the paper over the edge of the casting with the hammer or a spoon or something leaving an impression Most gaskets I make get cut with the hammer , not doing a lot of GSXR's anymore puro iron alla time > Thanks Spencer. I take a piece of white paper and lay it on the cast. Then > with greasy fingers I run my fingers over all of the edges and holes. It > leaves a perfect outline on the paper. Then I cut out the greasy tracing > with some scissors. Take the template and tape it onto the cork gasket > material and cut it out with a razor knife. I used a straight edge to cut > the straight portions. For the holes I used a hollowed out punch looking > deal. From edstoller at earthlink.net Fri Nov 12 06:45:27 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:45:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit References: Message-ID: <001701c4c8c6$41e4a5c0$e0b6f504@x8h7l9> Thank You Luke. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules power unit > This is the one that belonged to Jim. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-17.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-18.jpg > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ==================== > > >From: "ED" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules power unit > >Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:55:56 -0500 > > > >Hello Ron. > > > >I had a Hercules Power Unit follow me home too. It is a 1945 Hobart PE-197, > >S/N 053. The engine is a 4 cylinder Hercules Model ZXB. The output is 120 > >Volt and 52 Amps, or 6.3 Kva. It will be a while before I can restore it, > >but I need help finding a manual. It looks like the one that was by the SEL > >tent at Portland; was that Jim Dunmyer's ????? > > > >Ed Stoller > >New Fairfield, CT > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: ; > >Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 4:53 PM > >Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit > > > > > > > Hi all. > > > Last weekend at the Tulare swap meet a cute little Hercules Power unit > > > followed me home. Model ZXB, serial no. 302475. A military version > > > hopped on the trailer to keep it company. What information is available > > > on these little fellows? Thanks. > > > > > > Ron Haskell > > > rdhaskell at juno.com > > > Riverside, California > > > USA > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Nov 12 08:08:08 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 08:08:08 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit Message-ID: <20041112.080808.174.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Luke. This one is double the size of mine. Mine is 2 3/8" bore and 3" stroke. Four cylinders. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ n Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:29:52 +0000 "Luke Tonneberger" writes: > This is the one that belonged to Jim. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-17.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-18.jpg > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ==================== From edstoller at earthlink.net Fri Nov 12 08:46:26 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:46:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit References: <20041112.080808.174.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <002a01c4c8d7$28675140$e0b6f504@x8h7l9> Ron, My 4 Cylinder Hercules , Model ZXB, S/N 1159763 has a bore of 2 5/8 ( vs your 2 3/8 ) and a stroke of 3 inches. RPM is 1800. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron D Haskell" To: Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules power unit > Thanks Luke. > This one is double the size of mine. Mine is 2 3/8" bore and 3" stroke. > Four cylinders. > > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside California USA > http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ > > n Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:29:52 +0000 "Luke Tonneberger" > writes: > > This is the one that belonged to Jim. > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-17.jpg > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-18.jpg From segray at mlode.com Fri Nov 12 09:08:12 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:08:12 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit In-Reply-To: <002a01c4c8d7$28675140$e0b6f504@x8h7l9> References: <20041112.080808.174.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <002a01c4c8d7$28675140$e0b6f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <4194EDFC.4070103@mlode.com> Per Hercules, the ZXA was a 2 1/2" x 3", while the ZXB was 2 5/8" x 3" as of July 1957. Only differences between the two were the block, head and pistons. Pistons ordered could be CI or Aluminum, and 3 different heads could be ordered: standard 6:1, 4000 Ft elev. 6.9:1, and a 7000 Ft elev. 7.5:1. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com ED wrote: >Ron, > >My 4 Cylinder Hercules , Model ZXB, S/N 1159763 has a bore of 2 5/8 ( vs >your 2 3/8 ) and a stroke of 3 inches. RPM is 1800. > >Ed > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ron D Haskell" >To: >Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 11:08 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules power unit > > > > >>Thanks Luke. >>This one is double the size of mine. Mine is 2 3/8" bore and 3" stroke. >>Four cylinders. >> >> >>Ron Haskell >>rdhaskell at juno.com >>Riverside California USA >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ >> >>n Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:29:52 +0000 "Luke Tonneberger" >> writes: >> >> >>>This is the one that belonged to Jim. >>> >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-17.jpg >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-18.jpg >>> >>> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Nov 12 09:23:04 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:23:04 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit Message-ID: <20041112.092304.174.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Ed. You are probably correct, I am working from memory and most likely mine is 2 5/8" Ron On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:46:26 -0500 "ED" writes: > Ron, > > My 4 Cylinder Hercules , Model ZXB, S/N 1159763 has a bore of 2 5/8 > ( vs > your 2 3/8 ) and a stroke of 3 inches. RPM is 1800. > > Ed From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Nov 12 09:48:36 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:48:36 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit Message-ID: <20041112.094837.174.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Steve. I printed this off for future reference. The 1957 part, do you know the years they were made? Obviously they were still being made in ' 57. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:08:12 -0800 Steve Gray writes: > Per Hercules, the ZXA was a 2 1/2" x 3", while the ZXB was 2 5/8" x > 3" > as of July 1957. Only differences between the two were the block, > head > and pistons. Pistons ordered could be CI or Aluminum, and 3 > different > heads could be ordered: standard 6:1, 4000 Ft elev. 6.9:1, and a > 7000 Ft > elev. 7.5:1. > > - Steve > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Nov 12 10:03:18 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:03:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz info wanted In-Reply-To: <003901c4c82b$53dd2f90$7094e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <200411121803.iACI3NFu024525@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > also on my own Lorenz which is mid 1920's the > governer is contained > in a housing on the side shaft. The governer works on the > exhaust rocker which is under the cylinder , > also a rod operates the inlet valve on top of > the cylinder. Hi Craig, Is that the same Lorenz of which you had the photographs last August? At the time, I thought it looked similar to ours, but we have a continuously operated exhaust valve, and the governor works on the intake. > Speed 750 rpm Shazzam! That spec must be for metric rpm's. Even though it's well balanced, there's no way I'd get near that engine if it was running at 750 SAE rpm's!!! Rob P.S. Is your Lorenz featured on the Online Lorenz Registry? From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 12 12:21:54 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:21:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fred Dibnah References: Message-ID: <013a01c4c8f5$40beb800$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> I'll remember most about Fred was the impish twinkle in his eye as he > described sinking that backyard mineshaft without any council permits or > permission. My kinda bloke. 8-)) > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/yank1.htm Is his industrial heritage site gone , or moved ? Dolly's link icht kaput From shop at cccomm.net Fri Nov 12 13:27:08 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:27:08 -0800 Subject: [SEL] John Deere H Message-ID: <010d01c4c8fe$5e632220$6501a8c0@Shop> I have taken on a project for an acquaintance that owns this H. He has had it apart for more than 5 years and admitted that he was in over his head. He purchased th overhaul kit and has had the head an valves done. What I need to know if anybody out there knows what in intake/exhaust clearances are and what the rods bearings should be set at. Thanks in advance Dave From hunterrowe at btinternet.com Fri Nov 12 13:40:55 2004 From: hunterrowe at btinternet.com (ANDREW HUNTER-ROWE) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:40:55 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Fred Dibnah In-Reply-To: <013a01c4c8f5$40beb800$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/programmes/dibnah/ Heres a link to his BBC site -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sent: 12 November 2004 20:22 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fred Dibnah I'll remember most about Fred was the impish twinkle in his eye as he > described sinking that backyard mineshaft without any council permits or > permission. My kinda bloke. 8-)) > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2000/yank1.htm Is his industrial heritage site gone , or moved ? Dolly's link icht kaput _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri Nov 12 13:58:03 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:58:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Any one near Lansing, MI/Sunfield, MI Message-ID: <20041112215803.92070.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Hello If any one on the list is near the Lansing/Sunfield MI area, please let me know Tonight. Email me off list with your phone and I will call you. Thanks Steve From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Nov 12 16:22:22 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:22:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairmont engine question Message-ID: <006a01c4c916$d8dbbf40$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hi all, If you can help with this contact him direct. Not a list member. "Anyone have any experience with a 2 stroke OD-B Fairmont engine? 1944 vintage. Gus Colorado Springs" Gus and Mary Mocilac E-mail Address(es): gus_mary at adelphia.net Thanks, Jeff Allen From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Nov 12 16:32:22 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:32:22 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit Message-ID: <20041112.163223.1012.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I put up some pictures of the Hercules Power unit at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31489102&f=0 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From edstoller at earthlink.net Fri Nov 12 16:45:52 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:45:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit References: Message-ID: <008301c4c91a$228cc500$e0b6f504@x8h7l9> Hello Jim Dunmyer , Do you have your ears on? We are talking about you. What is the model number of your Hercules powered plant? Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules power unit > This is the one that belonged to Jim. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-17.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-18.jpg > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ==================== > > >From: "ED" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules power unit > >Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:55:56 -0500 > > > >Hello Ron. > > > >I had a Hercules Power Unit follow me home too. It is a 1945 Hobart PE-197, > >S/N 053. The engine is a 4 cylinder Hercules Model ZXB. The output is 120 > >Volt and 52 Amps, or 6.3 Kva. It will be a while before I can restore it, > >but I need help finding a manual. It looks like the one that was by the SEL > >tent at Portland; was that Jim Dunmyer's ????? > > > >Ed Stoller > >New Fairfield, CT > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: ; > >Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 4:53 PM > >Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit > > > > > > > Hi all. > > > Last weekend at the Tulare swap meet a cute little Hercules Power unit > > > followed me home. Model ZXB, serial no. 302475. A military version > > > hopped on the trailer to keep it company. What information is available > > > on these little fellows? Thanks. > > > > > > Ron Haskell > > > rdhaskell at juno.com > > > Riverside, California > > > USA > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Nov 12 18:40:14 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 13:40:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Want to swap tractors? Need a front end loader? Live in Victoria Aus? Message-ID: <4195740E.1060808@steamengine.com.au> I am looking for a Farmall Cub or Farmall A or small Fergie (or some other small tractor with good 1st gear torque) in running condition. Looks are not an issue - it can be as ugly as you like but I need it to run. Minor problems are fine - I can deal with most things outside an engine or gearbox rebuild! It does not need to have ROPS. I don't need hydraulics. I have an McCormick AW-6 tractor with hydraulic front end loader (similar to a Inter Super 6, but built in Australia at the McCormick plant) which runs. The governor connection to the carb needs attention as the engine will now only run fast (used to govern just fine when I got it a year or so ago). The starter motor sometimes does and sometimes does not. The engine itself is very good - no funny noises or vibrations. The front rubber is shot (one sorta ok, one flat). The rear rubber would do for anything not muddy. The hydraulics are low pressure and not amazingly brilliant but work. The tin on the radiator and bonnet are rust free and could be restored. The wings over the wheels are missing. The kerosene ability is gone (runs on petrol). Air cleaner is original oil bath. Starting tank is there but rusted. Gearbox is good, 5 forward and 1 reverse. Brakes are ok but would need new bands for any really serious use (although they've been ok on my 1:4 rising block!). There is no ROPS. I used the tractor to level out my shed and house sites on my block, but it is much to big for the only use I have for it now (moving my engines around). I thought about restoring it for show, but it is too big for me to economically transport. People interested should really be in Victoria Australia, preferably the Eastern side of Melbourne. The tractor is located in the town of Emerald, in the Dandenong Ranges, Emerald Victoria. If you are reasonably nearby I'd cover the cost of the truck to bring the tractor and take yours - if you are further away, then the transport would be your problem! http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/tractors/identify-me/pics/DSC06089.JPG E-mail me directly off list for more information or more pics. If I don't get any offers of a swap, then I'll be selling it and buying something myself. Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From b2 at chooka.net Fri Nov 12 20:00:09 2004 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 22:00:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] John Deere H References: <010d01c4c8fe$5e632220$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <004d01c4c935$455f4e20$650aa8c0@BILLPC> both valves .015 hot rod bearings .001 - .003 B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, Minnesota USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "Engine List" Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 3:27 PM Subject: [SEL] John Deere H I have taken on a project for an acquaintance that owns this H. He has had it apart for more than 5 years and admitted that he was in over his head. He purchased th overhaul kit and has had the head an valves done. What I need to know if anybody out there knows what in intake/exhaust clearances are and what the rods bearings should be set at. Thanks in advance Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Sat Nov 13 14:02:14 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 22:02:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit / Jim Dunmyer Message-ID: Ed, I'm not sure if Jim is on the SEL or not. I copied this over to the oldengine.org list. Maybe he can contact you direct if he's not on the SEL. Jim, Please read attached messages in regards to your power plant you had at Portland this year. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =================== >From: "ED" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules power unit >Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:45:52 -0500 > >Hello Jim Dunmyer , > > Do you have your ears on? We are talking about you. What is the model >number of your Hercules powered plant? > >Ed Stoller >New Fairfield, CT > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Luke Tonneberger" >To: >Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 7:29 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules power unit > > > > This is the one that belonged to Jim. > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-17.jpg > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-18.jpg > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA > > ==================== > > > > >From: "ED" > > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > > > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules power unit > > >Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:55:56 -0500 > > > > > >Hello Ron. > > > > > >I had a Hercules Power Unit follow me home too. It is a 1945 Hobart >PE-197, > > >S/N 053. The engine is a 4 cylinder Hercules Model ZXB. The output is >120 > > >Volt and 52 Amps, or 6.3 Kva. It will be a while before I can restore >it, > > >but I need help finding a manual. It looks like the one that was by the >SEL > > >tent at Portland; was that Jim Dunmyer's ????? > > > > > >Ed Stoller > > >New Fairfield, CT > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: > > >To: ; > > >Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 4:53 PM > > >Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit > > > > > > > > > > Hi all. > > > > Last weekend at the Tulare swap meet a cute little Hercules Power >unit > > > > followed me home. Model ZXB, serial no. 302475. A military version > > > > hopped on the trailer to keep it company. What information is >available > > > > on these little fellows? Thanks. > > > > > > > > Ron Haskell > > > > rdhaskell at juno.com > > > > Riverside, California > > > > USA > > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From flywheelin at hotmail.com Sat Nov 13 14:08:21 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 22:08:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] John Deere H Message-ID: Hi Dave, If nobody can help you out, you might want to join the John Deere list that ATIS hosts. I've been on it for a couple months since buying a GP. Seems to be some pretty knowledgable guys on there. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================== >From: "Dave Ernst" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Engine List" >Subject: [SEL] John Deere H >Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:27:08 -0800 > >I have taken on a project for an acquaintance that owns this H. He has had >it apart for more than 5 years and admitted that he was in over his head. >He purchased th overhaul kit and has had the head an valves done. What I >need to know if anybody out there knows what in intake/exhaust clearances >are and what the rods bearings should be set at. > >Thanks in advance >Dave From shop at cccomm.net Sat Nov 13 14:52:33 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:52:33 -0800 Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines Message-ID: <018701c4c9d3$789c05f0$6501a8c0@Shop> I posted a while back about restoring a couple of Hercules built Economy engines and painting them something different than usual, like yellow. One person said he had stomach problems over it, so now there are two to look at! Still have skids and carts to build along with some red pinstriping, but I think they surely will draw comments at the shows they will be attending. pics at http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009545 Under Bob's Hercules and Hercules Restoration albums. Dave From alanb2 at webtv.net Sat Nov 13 15:28:44 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:28:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines In-Reply-To: "Dave Ernst" 's message of Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:52:33 -0800 Message-ID: <4339-419698AC-4882@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net> Hi Dave, Yup, I'm quite sure there are a couple nice engines hidden under that crappy colored paint. I wouldn't paint an engine if I didn't have the right paint. Yes,,, until they pass into the possesion of someone that will paint them the right color that ugly paint should keep them from rusting back up. Just my opinion, 8>)) Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Nov 13 19:12:12 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:12:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines References: <018701c4c9d3$789c05f0$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <002b01c4c9f7$bcceefc0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Dave, I have followed your posts on this, and my opinion of the color has not changed. I won't repeat the analogy I made. You have done a fine job on the engines and you have some thick skin to keep posting. Love your engines and hate the color. Run em and enjoy em. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:52 PM Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines I posted a while back about restoring a couple of Hercules built Economy engines and painting them something different than usual, like yellow. One person said he had stomach problems over it, so now there are two to look at! Still have skids and carts to build along with some red pinstriping, but I think they surely will draw comments at the shows they will be attending. pics at http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009545 Under Bob's Hercules and Hercules Restoration albums. Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net Sat Nov 13 19:08:13 2004 From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 22:08:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Auction results In-Reply-To: <006101c4b956$6efa25f0$6401a8c0@office> References: <006101c4b956$6efa25f0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <4196CC1D.7020407@zoominternet.net> John, You live in Westminster? Been spending lots of time that way with my job. Have 3 clients from the Liberty Road area. Ed John Cullom wrote: > Hi folks, > Went to a local auction today here in Westminster. I would've > needed to > get a 2nd mortgage on my house to be playing in the same league as the > buyers there. > Aermotor 8 cycle, original - $1200 > Foos 11hp, restored - $17,000 > New Holland 3hp (low serial #), restored - $14,000 > New Holland 4hp, high base, original - $4,400 > New Holland 5hp, original, on trucks - $5,500 > New Holland 1 1/2hp single flywheel, restored, on cart - $6,000 > New Holland 2hp, restored, on cart - $5,400 > Titan 2hp upright, restored on cart - $4,100 > Titan 6hp, restored, on trucks - $6,000 > Mogul 1hp, restored on cart - $1,600 > International "M", 1 1/2hp original, on cart - $950 > Middletown 1 1/2hp "Woodpecker", original on cart - $2,300 > Sattley 3hp, original, on cart - $1,200 > New Idea 1 1/2 - 2 1/2hp "Vari Speed", restored, on cart - $1,400 > > and....... > > John Deere 1 1/2hp, original - $3,300 > > yes, that's correct, $3,300 > > Here's some pics......... > > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos1.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos2.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/foos3.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/IHm.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/Sattley.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/newholland5hp.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/newholland4hp.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/Titanupright.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/titan6hp.jpg > > Just behind the Sattley, you can see the Gold plated Deere............ > > > John Cullom > Westminster, Md. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Nov 14 01:01:56 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:01:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Vertical Stover Rings Message-ID: <200411140901.iAE91ufv076770@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Here is a quick question for those of you who have vertical Stovers. How many piston rings does your engine have? My YC and YB have four as does Ron's YB and Edd's YB but the piston we pulled out of Ron's spare YC barrel today has three! It is an original piston and is the same as my other YC piston but it has one less ring. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From brianne at ultratune.com.au Sun Nov 14 02:18:18 2004 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:18:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] IH 3m Engine References: <000801c497ab$d90fa720$9954dccb@t2c0r9> <2FAF1C42-03A6-11D9-A5B1-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <007201c49c94$aae14780$22c5dccb@t2c0r9> Message-ID: <001201c4ca33$47508a60$7b55dccb@pcuser> Hi Guys Re-assembly is happening! IH 3m stationary engine Could you please give me an idea of some of the basic settings for: 1. Inlet valve spring tension adjustment? 2. Exhaust valve clearance? 3. Initial setting for petrol valve? (1 1/2 turns out?) 4. Governor initial spring tension length? 5. When starting for the first time, would you crank with choke fully on? We do not appear to have any sort of retainer for the gland packing for the fuel pump rod. I saw mentioned somewhere that it has a brass nut or similar to hold the packing in position??? I will post some pics on the net when she is running. I will also take some pics of some of the other stuff that the Museum has and which may be of interest to everyone. Many Thanks Brian (Hervey Bay...QLD..Australia) From plb at iinet.net.au Sun Nov 14 03:19:42 2004 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:19:42 +0800 Subject: [SEL] IH 3m Engine References: <000801c497ab$d90fa720$9954dccb@t2c0r9><2FAF1C42-03A6-11D9-A5B1-00039352D07A@chartertn.net><007201c49c94$aae14780$22c5dccb@t2c0r9> <001201c4ca33$47508a60$7b55dccb@pcuser> Message-ID: <02c201c4ca3b$d6a279f0$0201010a@Portable> Brian,other's will hopefully add their own thoughts but this worked for me. Inlet valve spring tension. Trial and error. It will depend on how good your valve stem clearance is and how well the butterfly seals in the mixer. Exhaust valve. Don't think it matters much as long as its plenty.Mine has clearance at the valve and also on the pushrod on the other side. Petrol Valve. Mine runs well at around a third of a turn but it will depend on any wear on the needle and jet. Give it plenty and you will soon see plenty of black smoke if its running rich. Govenor springs Mine are backed right off to allow the engine to run slow. Choke Mine likes full choke to start. Fuel pumps vary a bit but mine has a inverted cone retainer and its held down by a spring between the retainer and the lever that pushes it down. Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Taylor" To: Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 6:18 PM Subject: [SEL] IH 3m Engine > Hi Guys > Re-assembly is happening! > IH 3m stationary engine > Could you please give me an idea of some of the basic settings for: > 1. Inlet valve spring tension adjustment? > 2. Exhaust valve clearance? > 3. Initial setting for petrol valve? (1 1/2 turns out?) > 4. Governor initial spring tension length? > 5. When starting for the first time, would you crank with choke fully on? > > We do not appear to have any sort of retainer for the gland packing for > the fuel pump rod. > I saw mentioned somewhere that it has a brass nut or similar to hold the > packing in position??? > > I will post some pics on the net when she is running. > I will also take some pics of some of the other stuff that the Museum has > and which may be of interest to everyone. > > Many Thanks > Brian (Hervey Bay...QLD..Australia) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Nov 14 04:22:44 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 12:22:44 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Vertical Stover Rings Message-ID: <111420041222.29471.7eae@mchsi.com> Patrick, My Stover 5hp, model "C", 1905 upright has only three rings and for sure its all orginal. Curt Andree > Here is a quick question for those of you who have vertical Stovers. How > many piston rings does your engine have? > My YC and YB have four as does Ron's YB and Edd's YB but the piston we > pulled out of Ron's spare YC barrel today has three! It is an original > piston and is the same as my other YC piston but it has one less ring. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From avanti_64 at juno.com Sun Nov 14 05:03:40 2004 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (Joe Kelley) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:03:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines Message-ID: <20041114.080342.-283729.0.avanti_64@juno.com> I didn't realize that the Economy engine was offered in an "industrial yellow"!!! They must have been ahead of their time (G, lol)... Joe Kelley On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:12:12 -0700 "Jeff Allen" writes: > Dave, > > I have followed your posts on this, and my opinion of the color has > not > changed. I won't repeat the analogy I made. You have done a fine job > on the > engines and you have some thick skin to keep posting. Love your > engines and > hate the color. Run em and enjoy em. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Ernst" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:52 PM > Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines > > > I posted a while back about restoring a couple of Hercules built > Economy > engines and painting them something different than usual, like > yellow. One > person said he had stomach problems over it, so now there are two to > look > at! > Still have skids and carts to build along with some red pinstriping, > but I > think they surely will draw comments at the shows they will be > attending. > pics at > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009545 > > Under Bob's Hercules and Hercules Restoration albums. > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > ________________________________________________________________ Juno Platinum $9.95. Juno SpeedBand $14.95. Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com! Look for special offers at Best Buy stores. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sun Nov 14 05:55:33 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 14:55:33 +0100 Subject: [SEL] IH 3m Engine References: <000801c497ab$d90fa720$9954dccb@t2c0r9><2FAF1C42-03A6-11D9-A5B1-00039352D07A@chartertn.net><007201c49c94$aae14780$22c5dccb@t2c0r9> <001201c4ca33$47508a60$7b55dccb@pcuser> Message-ID: <000701c4ca51$9c500c70$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Brian, what 3hp M do you have? An ignitor, Am.Bosch or a Wico fired. Let me know and I could tell the the right adjustments. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Hi Guys > Re-assembly is happening! > IH 3m stationary engine > Could you please give me an idea of some of the basic settings for: > 1. Inlet valve spring tension adjustment? > 2. Exhaust valve clearance? > 3. Initial setting for petrol valve? (1 1/2 turns out?) > 4. Governor initial spring tension length? > 5. When starting for the first time, would you crank with choke fully on? > > We do not appear to have any sort of retainer for the gland packing for the > fuel pump rod. > I saw mentioned somewhere that it has a brass nut or similar to hold the > packing in position??? > > I will post some pics on the net when she is running. > I will also take some pics of some of the other stuff that the Museum has > and which may be of interest to everyone. > > Many Thanks > Brian (Hervey Bay...QLD..Australia) > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Todengine at aol.com Sun Nov 14 06:12:04 2004 From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 09:12:04 EST Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Progress Report Message-ID: Hello List, I can't believe I've been on this list for off and on over the last 9 years. Still plugging away at the Tod Engine project. I just got our building permit from the City of Youngstown for the construction of the Tod Engine Heritage Park. We have over 300,000 lbs. of parts moved to the heritage park site but still have four giant pieces left to move. That's next year's project. I have been working at a foundry for over a year now since I left the employ of CSX Transportation, and couldn't be happier. The glamour of riding the rails at 60 mph in control of 12,000 horsepower and tugging on 10,000 tons of Chinese imports in containers is more than nullified by sitting in a ratty Chicago hotel for 12 to 18 hours at a time and the uncertainty of when I will get called to work. Now that I am back home in good old Youngstown I've been able to spend much more time working on the Tod Engine and even found time for a family life, resulting in the October 28th marriage to my lovely wife Zara. Working at a foundry has allowed me to do something that I have always wanted, that is to start my own business. I am in the beginning stages of forming a small foundry that will cater to the production of reproduction castings for hobbyists and restorers. I am already working on jobs for two list members one of which is the result of last year's ATIS Charity Auction (Spencer your parts will be in the mail this week!) This new foundry is to be called the Tod Engine Works and will actually be a subsidiary of the Tod Engine Foundation, with the profits going toward the preservation of the Tod Engine and operation of the Tod Engine Heritage Park. The foundry is being set up in our leased building at the Castlo Industrial Park in Struthers, and will be able to provide both ductile and grey iron castings up to about 50 lbs.initially, and with the completion of a larger iron melting furnace we could go up to 150 lbs. We also would have the ability of melting brass and bronze up to about 50 lbs. If castings are required larger than this or made from another metal such as steel, stainless or heat resisting alloys, I can do this work through the foundry that I currently work at. I would prefer to work with actual patterns, but if you have a casting that needs replaced and if its not too complex I may be able to use an original as a pattern. Also if you don't have a pattern and if I work from a casting please be aware that the resulting casting will be tad bit shorter than the original. Iron shrinks upon solidification about 1/8" per foot so if you want a 20" flywheel remade from an original casting it will come out at about 19 3/4" diameter. That could be overcome by making a ring to go around the outside of the wheel to compensate and add some machine stock. I also have a few older machine tools that still need set up and restored, but when that is done I could offer limited machining services. Our largest lathe has a swing of 24" and a 16' bed, and is a historic piece itself dating from 1905. Anyways, back to the Tod Engine. I have set a goal of raising $17,000 for next year's work on her reassembly, which includes about $10,000 for crane and rigging services, $3,000 for concrete work and $4,000 for extension of electrical service to the heritage park site. That's after I pay the $3,000 bill to the architect. I still can't believe that we have spent over $60,000 on the engine over the last eight years, and she still isn't back together yet! Head over to our website at www.todengine.org and take a look at our webshots page which is where I put all the up to date progress photos. The link is at the top of the homepage. BTW if any list members happen to by passing through the Youngstown area and want to see the engine please email me and I'll provide directions to the heritage park site. Thanks Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH www.todengine.org From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Nov 14 06:57:25 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 09:57:25 EST Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines Message-ID: <1c7.20944bd3.2ec8cc55@aol.com> In a message dated 11/13/2004 5:53:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, shop at cccomm.net writes: << I posted a while back about restoring a couple of Hercules built Economy engines and painting them something different than usual, like yellow >> Dave, Beautiful engines! Paint them any color you like as long as it suits you! I have been painting mine rust lately. Suits me just fine and they seem to run ok that way too. Great looking shop you have! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From yostsw at atis.net Sun Nov 14 07:43:38 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 10:43:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Progress Report In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200411141043380046.5C243C8F@heavyiron.atis.net> >one of which is the result of last year's ATIS Charity Auction (Spencer >your parts will be in the mail this week!) > Thanks! Looking forward to them and congrats on the Tod project! Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Nov 14 07:57:40 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:57:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old Chevy 4 cyl. Message-ID: Howdy from chilly Mt. Just found a real old (early 1900?) Chevy 4 cyl. OHV, exposed push rods, simple updraft carb, ONE exhaust port out of the head..yup it's kewl, and has an electric starter. Any info on this engine? It turns over, but no compression. He wants 75 rockets. Also has the "cone clutch." TIA RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Nov 14 09:10:25 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:10:25 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Geoff Challinor & Anson engine museum win awards. Message-ID: <000d01c4ca6c$d6f20340$6b856ad5@no1> Hi, I am passing on some terrific news about Geoff Challinor (but he doesn't know I am doing it - he would be far too modest to tell you this himself). Everyone at the museum is bursting with pride and we want to share our news so I have written and sent out a press release (below). Do pass on the news to anyone I may have missed as Geoff deserves his few minutes in the limelight for a change. Margaret :-)))))) Chairman of the Anson Engine Museum Receives Prestigious Accolade Geoff Challinor received a massive accolade at the Cheshire Awards for Tourism Skills at The Mere Gold and Country Club on Thursday 11th November. He was awarded the "Commitment To Industry", prize. At a glittering award ceremony for the Cheshire Awards for Tourism Skills (CATS) 2004, a packed room of over 300 managers, professionals and employees from the North West's Tourism Industry, were spellbound listening as the shortlist and then winners for each category were read out. In the "Tourism Team of the Year" category, the Anson Engine Museum's "Gardner Exhibition Team" was among the 12 nominees. The team was rewarded for all their hard work and dedication by picking up a Bronze certificate. Fantastic achievement for a group of volunteers who were pitched against some of the major tourism and hospitality sites in the county. An even more hotly contested category was for the individual who had shown loyalty, commitment and whose contribution to the industry has been exceptional. Geoff Challinor, chairman of the Museum, was the winner of the "Commitment To Industry" award. He picked up the Gold certificate, an engraved trophy and a map showing where in the constellation of Perseus the star bought to remember the event "CATS 2004" will be shining. The judges were particularly impressed with Geoff's ability to inspire, coach and energise everyone he meets by his enthusiasm and willingness to share knowledge. His efforts have seen the museum grow from a private collection in a basic shed to a respected museum attracting visitors from across the world. All this on a shoestring budget and a workforce made up entirely of volunteers with no government subsidies or grants. The judges stated that "Geoff was an example to everyone" and paid tribute to his loyalty and dedication. The Museum has benefited from having such a friendly, welcoming host. Geoff spends hours talking to visitors, answering their many queries and starting the engines for them to view. His quiet, self-effacing, good-natured ways endear him to visitors and volunteers alike. As well as his own museum Geoff is often contacted for advice, and practical help, to strip or move engines for companies across the UK (eg Drainage Boards, Technical help for Manchester Science & Industry Museum, The National Trust). He was also the inspiration and key support to a friend of his to open a Stationary Engine Museum in Ceredigion, Wales last year. Geoff described the moment as one of the proudest in his life "I am honoured and humbled to receive this award. I am proud to accept it, not just on my behalf, but as an acknowledgement of the wonderful team I have working with me at the museum." He says he intends to have the two Award certificates on prominent display at the museum when it reopens for the 2005 season on Easter Sunday. --- Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Nov 14 09:32:43 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 09:32:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Progress Report In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200411141732.iAEHWoP1004790@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> >October 28th marriage to my lovely wife Zara. Congratulations ya ol' dawg! =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Nov 14 07:42:47 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 10:42:47 EST Subject: [SEL] O.T. - Check out AIM Manufacturing Videos and virtual factory tours Message-ID: <1cf.2cb57d2e.2ec8d6f7@aol.com> Hi: Here is a site that explains how various things are manufactured. It is very slow if you are using a modem but, it is worth it. Enjoy Click here: AIM Manufacturing Videos and virtual factory tours Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sun Nov 14 11:19:00 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 06:19:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Geoff Challinor & Anson engine museum win awards. References: <000d01c4ca6c$d6f20340$6b856ad5@no1> Message-ID: <001301c4ca7e$cd2c7770$20ac1dd3@km> G'Day Dave Not taking anything away from his Tourism award, well done, but now he may concentrate on getting some people skills. Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines ----- Original Message ----- > Hi, I am passing on some terrific news about Geoff Challinor (but he doesn't > know I am doing it - he would be far too modest to tell you this himself). > > Everyone at the museum is bursting with pride and we want to share our news > so I have written and sent out a press release (below). > > Do pass on the news to anyone I may have missed as Geoff deserves his few > minutes in the limelight for a change. > Margaret :-)))))) > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Nov 14 14:27:25 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 06:27:25 +0800 Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines References: <1c7.20944bd3.2ec8cc55@aol.com> Message-ID: <002e01c4ca99$21da2cd0$f5a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> For Christs sake Dave ......you paint them any colour you like ,don't let some '' know all '' start dictating colour schemes! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines > In a message dated 11/13/2004 5:53:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, > shop at cccomm.net writes: > > << I posted a while back about restoring a couple of Hercules built Economy > engines and painting them something different than usual, like yellow >> > > > Dave, > > Beautiful engines! Paint them any color you like as long as it suits you! I > have been painting mine rust lately. Suits me just fine and they seem to run > ok that way too. > > Great looking shop you have! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From BetCleve321 at aol.com Sun Nov 14 15:30:37 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:30:37 EST Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines Message-ID: <1d9.2fb968b8.2ec9449d@aol.com> In a message dated 11/14/2004 5:32:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, jopeter at omninet.net.au writes: For Christs sake Dave ......you paint them any colour you like ,don't let some '' know all '' start dictating colour schemes! I love this. It remindes me of the way things were about nine years ago. Ah. Those were the days. Skip From flywheelin at hotmail.com Sun Nov 14 17:00:33 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 01:00:33 +0000 Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines Message-ID: I like the color Dave. I bet the red striping will really set it off. Once they are finished and on carts, wheel them out into the sunshine. The red on the decals will probably get picked up better by the camera in some natural light. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============== >From: "Dave Ernst" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines >Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:52:33 -0800 > >I posted a while back about restoring a couple of Hercules built Economy >engines and painting them something different than usual, like yellow. One >person said he had stomach problems over it, so now there are two to look >at! >Still have skids and carts to build along with some red pinstriping, but I >think they surely will draw comments at the shows they will be attending. >pics at > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009545 > >Under Bob's Hercules and Hercules Restoration albums. > >Dave From cwja at telus.net Sun Nov 14 18:51:03 2004 From: cwja at telus.net (Jeff & Marja Allen) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:51:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] IH 3m Engine In-Reply-To: <001201c4ca33$47508a60$7b55dccb@pcuser> References: <000801c497ab$d90fa720$9954dccb@t2c0r9> <2FAF1C42-03A6-11D9-A5B1-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <007201c49c94$aae14780$22c5dccb@t2c0r9> <001201c4ca33$47508a60$7b55dccb@pcuser> Message-ID: <41981997.1000201@telus.net> Hi Brian, Just saw your post about IH engine. A trick I have found that has worked for the past four years on my two engines without a leak and full pump action is as follows. The tapered gland packing sleeve is fine but works better if you find a brass washer with the exact OD and ream it out to fit a sliding fit for the plunger. Put it beween the spring and the taper.More importantlly do not use regular graphite string packing!. Rather use a winding of tephlon packing sold for faucet repair in the kitchen and follow up with a few wraps of tephlon tape. The tephlon packs down to a gas tight fit but still has the lubricating qualities of tephlon and best of all costs almost nothing to buy. Beats the old graphite string and nobody knows you are using a modern replacement. The tephlon does not wash out like graphite and is self -lubricating. Works like a damn! Try it ! Brian Taylor wrote: > Hi Guys > Re-assembly is happening! > IH 3m stationary engine > Could you please give me an idea of some of the basic settings for: > 1. Inlet valve spring tension adjustment? > 2. Exhaust valve clearance? > 3. Initial setting for petrol valve? (1 1/2 turns out?) > 4. Governor initial spring tension length? > 5. When starting for the first time, would you crank with choke fully on? > > We do not appear to have any sort of retainer for the gland packing > for the fuel pump rod. > I saw mentioned somewhere that it has a brass nut or similar to hold > the packing in position??? > > I will post some pics on the net when she is running. > I will also take some pics of some of the other stuff that the Museum > has and which may be of interest to everyone. > > Many Thanks > Brian (Hervey Bay...QLD..Australia) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Jeff & Marja Allen cwja at telus.net Edmonton, Alberta, Canada http://members.moderndigital.net/jeff/ http://www.seniorcentre.org From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Nov 15 01:16:17 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:16:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. - Check out AIM Manufacturing Videos and virtual factorytours References: <1cf.2cb57d2e.2ec8d6f7@aol.com> Message-ID: <008901c4caf3$c429bd70$20ac1dd3@km> G'Day Francis Thanks for the great site, enjoyed some of the videos - the Mustang was great. Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines > Hi: > Here is a site that explains how various things are manufactured. It is very > slow if you are using a modem but, it is worth it. Enjoy > > Click here: AIM Manufacturing Videos and virtual factory tours > > > > From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Mon Nov 15 03:47:53 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:47:53 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: A pair of Economy Engines Message-ID: <20041115114753.89987.qmail@web41125.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Dave Tell the critics of your colour scheme to stick it up their arse. The Rosebery open crank (OZ copy of a F&J model N) that I restored for my kids has pink flywheels. That's because one of them is a girl. For the boy, he got the crankcase & hopper in mid blue and I got to choose yellow for the moving parts. It goes great, they are able to start it, and looks heaps better than all the green ones. Keep up the good work. Cheers Graham in Oz >From: "Dave Ernst" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines >Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:52:33 -0800 > >I posted a while back about restoring a couple of Hercules built Economy >engines and painting them something different than usual, like yellow. One >person said he had stomach problems over it, so now there are two to look >at! >Still have skids and carts to build along with some red pinstriping, but I >think they surely will draw comments at the shows they will be attending. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From hunterrowe at btinternet.com Mon Nov 15 04:27:37 2004 From: hunterrowe at btinternet.com (ANDREW HUNTER-ROWE) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:27:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [SEL] Re: A pair of Economy Engines In-Reply-To: <20041115114753.89987.qmail@web41125.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041115122737.6221.qmail@web86309.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I agree. I joined the forum because I am restoring a couple old old Petter Diesel engines so though it would be interesting and because of the mutual support and encouragement I would expect such a forum to provide. I don't think it is particualry helpful to anyone to be critical of what after all is a personal choice. I hope you enjoy your engines as much as i hope to enjoy mine when they are completed. Graham Harris wrote: Hi Dave Tell the critics of your colour scheme to stick it up their arse. The Rosebery open crank (OZ copy of a F&J model N) that I restored for my kids has pink flywheels. That's because one of them is a girl. For the boy, he got the crankcase & hopper in mid blue and I got to choose yellow for the moving parts. It goes great, they are able to start it, and looks heaps better than all the green ones. Keep up the good work. Cheers Graham in Oz >From: "Dave Ernst" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines >Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:52:33 -0800 > >I posted a while back about restoring a couple of Hercules built Economy >engines and painting them something different than usual, like yellow. One >person said he had stomach problems over it, so now there are two to look >at! >Still have skids and carts to build along with some red pinstriping, but I >think they surely will draw comments at the shows they will be attending. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Nov 15 04:45:06 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:45:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Re: A pair of Economy Engines References: <20041115122737.6221.qmail@web86309.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c4cb10$f2fb0970$f9a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Precisely Andrew.....and i am sure you will get whatever help ,advice etc that you request for your Petter restoration. For a start i have in my vast collection an old Petter book as would many others........any help if possible is there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANDREW HUNTER-ROWE" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: A pair of Economy Engines > I agree. > > I joined the forum because I am restoring a couple old old Petter Diesel engines so though it would be interesting and because of the mutual support and encouragement I would expect such a forum to provide. > > I don't think it is particualry helpful to anyone to be critical of what after all is a personal choice. > > I hope you enjoy your engines as much as i hope to enjoy mine when they are completed. > > Graham Harris wrote: > Hi Dave > > Tell the critics of your colour scheme to stick it up > their arse. The Rosebery open crank (OZ copy of a F&J > model N) that I restored for my kids has pink > flywheels. That's because one of them is a girl. For > the boy, he got the crankcase & hopper in mid blue and > I got to choose yellow for the moving parts. It goes > great, they are able to start it, and looks heaps > better than all the green ones. > > Keep up the good work. > > Cheers > > Graham in Oz > > > > >From: "Dave Ernst" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > >Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines > >Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:52:33 -0800 > > > >I posted a while back about restoring a couple of > Hercules built > Economy > >engines and painting them something different than > usual, like > yellow. One > >person said he had stomach problems over it, so now > there are > two to look > >at! > >Still have skids and carts to build along with some > red > pinstriping, but I > >think they surely will draw comments at the shows > they will be > attending. > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Nov 15 05:05:28 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:05:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit / oil filters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4198A998.1030605@imc-group.com> Luke, Ron, Ed, Jim, Herc/Canton OH. owners, Several of us have these Hercules power units. Does anyone have a lead on replacement oil filter cartridges? If not, I have a neighbor who is a filtration engineer for Wix/Dana and he has offered to build what I need to have a new filter! If there is interest from several of you, perhaps I could have the neighbor make a short production run so we could all have one or two for our engines. Let me know if of interest. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC (home of Wix/Dana filters) curt at imc-group.com Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Ed, > > I'm not sure if Jim is on the SEL or not. I copied this over to the > oldengine.org list. Maybe he can contact you direct if he's not on > the SEL. > > Jim, Please read attached messages in regards to your power plant you > had at Portland this year. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > =================== > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 15 05:12:17 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:12:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit / oil filters References: <4198A998.1030605@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <01b401c4cb14$bbdfb040$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Does anyone have a lead > on replacement oil filter cartridges? If not, I have a neighbor who is a > filtration engineer for Wix/Dana and he has offered to build what I need > to have a new filter! Ask him if he remembers Fred "dri-clean" Miller . So what size is this cartridge ? Or more importantly , the cannister and tube . Chuck ? From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Nov 14 11:04:00 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 14:04:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Progress Report In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Now that I am back home in good old Youngstown I've been able > to spend much more time working on the Tod Engine and even found time > for a > family life, resulting in the October 28th marriage to my lovely wife > Zara. Congratulations! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Nov 15 08:28:30 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:28:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit / oil filters Message-ID: <20041115.082831.215.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Curt. Oil filters were an option, one of mine has a filter and the other one doesn't. I hadn't given it any thought, but a replacement filter would be nice. When I get home today I will check the filter in the military unit and see what it looks like. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:05:28 -0500 Curt writes: > Luke, Ron, Ed, Jim, Herc/Canton OH. owners, > Several of us have these Hercules power units. Does anyone have a > lead > on replacement oil filter cartridges? If not, I have a neighbor who > is a > filtration engineer for Wix/Dana and he has offered to build what I > need > to have a new filter! If there is interest from several of you, > perhaps > I could have the neighbor make a short production run so we could > all > have one or two for our engines. > Let me know if of interest. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC (home of Wix/Dana filters) > curt at imc-group.com From brianne at ultratune.com.au Mon Nov 15 16:37:28 2004 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:37:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Thanks Message-ID: <00b501c4cb74$73d7bda0$dc54dccb@pcuser> Many thanks to the guys who replied to my last post ref. the IH 3M restoration. Lots of valuable info...just what we needed. Brian (Hervey Bay) From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Nov 11 00:42:06 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:42:06 -0000 Subject: [SEL] OT how about using your small engines like this Message-ID: <002d01c4c7ca$54abe850$6b856ad5@no1> http://www.motorcyclecity.com/bikewatch/Chain_Saw_Bike_Dolmette.htm Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 15 11:30:44 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:30:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Opinions Please Message-ID: <20041115.204314.1244.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, I've been putzing with a little Briggs WI with a cast iron base. I originally bought this engine for parts but after getting it running, decided to go another direction. The base is cracked and leaks oil. It has been repaired with epoxy (JB Weld). I chipped the epoxy off and cleaned it up and soldered the break. This worked okay except it still leaked around 2 bolt holes. I took it apart - heated the solder off and decided to braze the cracks. I cannot braze the crack shut because of the epoxy still in the crack preventing me from "bridging" the crack and cannot get it cleaned out enough. I am about to re-epoxy (JB Weld) it on the outside and use a gas tank sealer on the inside. I would like to weld or braze rather than epoxy it. While heating, I see that the crack extends almost to a complete circle. The idea of breaking out the circle - cleaning it up and then attempting to braze it back into place has crossed my mind. I also feel the engine ain't worth all this trouble. Anyone care to advise ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From MaytagTwin at aol.com Mon Nov 15 17:56:08 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:56:08 EST Subject: [SEL] Opinions Please Message-ID: <1a8.2afd83c2.2ecab838@aol.com> Hi Joe, Certainly you can find another base for it, but, why not try a different kind of repair. May I suggest you drill the end of any visible cracks to prevent their cracking further. Then, get a sheet of roofing copper sheet, and, using your hammer and a hot fire for annealing, form a copper liner to go inside the crankcase base. When finished, drill through it in several places and, using copper rivets, rivet the copper liner to the base. Be sure to put your name and date on the repair so that someone later on can marvel over your work. Regards, Ron Carroll Poverty Ridge West Home of the Wandering Maytags Clearmont, Missouri In a message dated 11/15/2004 7:49:19 PM Central Standard Time, jlb94 at juno.com writes: I took it apart - heated the solder off and decided to braze the cracks. I cannot braze the crack shut because of the epoxy still in the crack preventing me from "bridging" the crack and cannot get it cleaned out enough. I am about to re-epoxy (JB Weld) it on the outside and use a gas tank sealer on the inside. I would like to weld or braze rather than epoxy it. While heating, I see that the crack extends almost to a complete circle. The idea of breaking out the circle - cleaning it up and then attempting to braze it back into place has crossed my mind. I also feel the engine ain't worth all this trouble. Anyone care to advise ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 15 18:44:25 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:44:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Opinions Please Message-ID: <20041115.214425.1244.3.jlb94@juno.com> WOW - Ron, I would have never thought of something like that. I guess it could be done, in a different application, but there are too many obstacles in the way inside the base. And - being a Briggs - It's pretty small in there. There are 6 free standing pillars and 4 on the sides for bolt holes and oil pump mount that would all have to be cut around. It would be like laying a sheet of linoleum in a public men's room leaving the stalls intact. (I have done that as I am a floor covering installer. ) It was no fun. Something I didn't think of though - Name & Date - Good idea. As for finding another base - - - I'm sure I will find one somewhere - sometime. Problem is - - - When I find a "parts engine" I usually fix it up to run. Buying just parts - is like buying diamonds. Everything is "sky high". Thanks for the help. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Mon Nov 15 11:50:40 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:50:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running References: Message-ID: <007d01c4cb4c$62e3dd30$3775833e@p350> Hi all, Saturday we had our 2HP vertical air-cooled International Famous running. It's running very nice, and only needed little "fine tuning" The problem is that it's very much "snottering" from the carburettor. Every time it has an intake stroke, it snotters gas out of the mixer (air intake) It is so bad that painting the engine will be pointless as it will damage the paint within a few hours. Since I REALLY hate leaking or splattering engine's we tried something different today.... Propane...... Well it really seems to work, it's running very nice (after a short warming up) and every time it can coast 12 times. The engine is has very good compresion, and really is in top condition (we're lucky this time;-) We did have allot of work making allot of parts for it though. many of the xternal parts were missing. Is there anyone on the SEL that has an air-cooled Famous, or any other experiance with snotering from the mixer? However expect for this problem I'm very happy to have it running this great! H.Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines > I like the color Dave. I bet the red striping will really set it off. Once > they are finished and on carts, wheel them out into the sunshine. The red on > the decals will probably get picked up better by the camera in some natural > light. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ============== > > >From: "Dave Ernst" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines > >Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:52:33 -0800 > > > >I posted a while back about restoring a couple of Hercules built Economy > >engines and painting them something different than usual, like yellow. One > >person said he had stomach problems over it, so now there are two to look > >at! > >Still have skids and carts to build along with some red pinstriping, but I > >think they surely will draw comments at the shows they will be attending. > >pics at > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009545 > > > >Under Bob's Hercules and Hercules Restoration albums. > > > >Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Mon Nov 15 21:23:23 2004 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:23:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Opinions Please In-Reply-To: <20041115.214425.1244.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: I would drill a small hole on either end of the crack, and then use a small grinder and cut a small groove following the crack right in the crack, but not all the way through, that should get all the jb weld out and then you can braze or weld it, this will hold better than just doing a surface weld. Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > WOW - Ron, > I would have never thought of something like that. > I guess it could be done, in a different application, but there are too > many obstacles in the way inside the base. And - being a Briggs - It's > pretty small in there. > > There are 6 free standing pillars and 4 on the sides for bolt holes and > oil pump mount that would all have to be cut around. > > It would be like laying a sheet of linoleum in a public men's room > leaving the stalls intact. > (I have done that as I am a floor covering installer. ) It was no fun. > > Something I didn't think of though - Name & Date - Good idea. > > As for finding another base - - - I'm sure I will find one somewhere - > sometime. > Problem is - - - When I find a "parts engine" I usually fix it up to run. > Buying just parts - is like buying diamonds. Everything is "sky high". > > Thanks for the help. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > \/)"(\/ when He was tired." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Mon Nov 15 19:46:52 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:46:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Opinions Please References: <20041115.204314.1244.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <003001c4cb8e$e9ec7980$281117d1@net.telenet.net> Joe, Toss the base in an oven (NOT THE GOOD COOKING ONE) at 400 or so. That will bake out any oil still in the casting and should make the epoxy turn to dust. Now take a die grinder or even a dremel and V grind the cracks some. Then braze the cracks shut. Now to seal it coat it with some Glyptal paint (your local electric motor shop will have it or something like it, it is the stuff they use to seal armatures) Put it back together and you should be OK. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 2:30 PM Subject: [SEL] Opinions Please > Hi List, > > I've been putzing with a little Briggs WI with a cast iron base. > I originally bought this engine for parts but after getting it running, > decided to go another direction. > > The base is cracked and leaks oil. It has been repaired with epoxy (JB > Weld). > I chipped the epoxy off and cleaned it up and soldered the break. This > worked okay except it still leaked around 2 bolt holes. > > I took it apart - heated the solder off and decided to braze the cracks. > I cannot braze the crack shut because of the epoxy still in the crack > preventing me from "bridging" the crack and cannot get it cleaned out > enough. > > I am about to re-epoxy (JB Weld) it on the outside and use a gas tank > sealer on the inside. > > I would like to weld or braze rather than epoxy it. > > While heating, I see that the crack extends almost to a complete circle. > The idea of breaking out the circle - cleaning it up and then attempting > to braze it back into place has crossed my mind. I also feel the engine > ain't worth all this trouble. > > Anyone care to advise ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > \/)"(\/ when He was tired." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Nov 15 21:31:45 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:31:45 EST Subject: Fwd: [SEL] Another Maytag Running! Message-ID: <54.376f3d95.2ecaeac1@aol.com> From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Nov 15 21:42:14 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:42:14 EST Subject: [SEL] Another Maytag Running! Message-ID: <8b.1a40c73a.2ecaed36@aol.com> Just finished assemblying my junker Model 72 Maytag. The alumimum gas tank was modified to a base mount. This was accomplished by bolting a ?" x 6" - 12" iron plate to bottom of the gas tank. The orignal bolt holes (that held the tank to the base) were drilled through and 5/16" bolts (5) were used to fasten the iron plate to the tank. Next, two pieces of 3/8" x 2" - 10" iron were welded to ends of the plate. These two pieces were drilled for the base mount. The engine base is fasten to the top of the gas tank and held by the same bolts that is used to hold the tank. The gas tank is sandwiched between the iron plate and engine base. After the assembly was completed, the engine was started using a belt and an electric motor. The engine fired up with no apparent problems. Eventually, this engine will have a pull rope starter. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Nov 14 15:47:22 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:47:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New flywheel engines. Message-ID: <001f01c4caa4$49beb9e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hi all, I saw this in GEM, and thought of those that don't get the magazine. Even if you do this is worth a look. http://arrowengine.com/ Check out the C and L series, and the gensets. Also some parts available that might interest some of you. Enjoy, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From shop at cccomm.net Tue Nov 16 06:31:09 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 06:31:09 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running References: <007d01c4cb4c$62e3dd30$3775833e@p350> Message-ID: <022601c4cbe8$ec7fdbb0$6501a8c0@Shop> Sounds to me that your intake valve is not seating well enough. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Terpstra" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 11:50 AM Subject: [SEL] Another engine running > Hi all, > > Saturday we had our 2HP vertical air-cooled International Famous running. > It's running very nice, and only needed little "fine tuning" > The problem is that it's very much "snottering" from the carburettor. > Every time it has an intake stroke, it snotters gas out of the mixer (air > intake) > It is so bad that painting the engine will be pointless as it will damage > the paint within a few hours. > > Since I REALLY hate leaking or splattering engine's we tried something > different today.... Propane...... > Well it really seems to work, it's running very nice (after a short > warming > up) and every time it can coast 12 times. > The engine is has very good compresion, and really is in top condition > (we're lucky this time;-) > We did have allot of work making allot of parts for it though. > many of the xternal parts were missing. > > Is there anyone on the SEL that has an air-cooled Famous, or any other > experiance with snotering from the mixer? > > However expect for this problem I'm very happy to have it running this > great! > > > > H.Terpstra > Sint Anna Parochie > Netherlands > h.terpstra at wxs.nl > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luke Tonneberger" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 2:00 AM > Subject: RE: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines > > >> I like the color Dave. I bet the red striping will really set it off. >> Once >> they are finished and on carts, wheel them out into the sunshine. The red > on >> the decals will probably get picked up better by the camera in some > natural >> light. >> >> Luke Tonneberger >> Rockford, Michigan >> USA >> ============== >> >> >From: "Dave Ernst" >> >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >> > >> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines >> >Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:52:33 -0800 >> > >> >I posted a while back about restoring a couple of Hercules built Economy >> >engines and painting them something different than usual, like yellow. > One >> >person said he had stomach problems over it, so now there are two to >> >look >> >at! >> >Still have skids and carts to build along with some red pinstriping, but > I >> >think they surely will draw comments at the shows they will be >> >attending. >> >pics at >> > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009545 >> > >> >Under Bob's Hercules and Hercules Restoration albums. >> > >> >Dave >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Nov 16 07:25:07 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:25:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running References: <007d01c4cb4c$62e3dd30$3775833e@p350> Message-ID: <000701c4cbf0$742248d0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Harry, that's great to hear, so I have to come over one of these days to see it life. In the mean time you could fix that "Snottering" :o)) C-ya, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Hi all, > > Saturday we had our 2HP vertical air-cooled International Famous running. > It's running very nice, and only needed little "fine tuning" > > H.Terpstra From jdunmyer at toltbbs.com Mon Nov 15 17:03:54 2004 From: jdunmyer at toltbbs.com (Jim Dunmyer) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:03:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hercules power unit / oil filters References: <4198A998.1030605@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <005401c4cb78$5ad159c0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com> I'm using a NAPA filter that is the equivilant of a Fram C3. The rubber gaskets are a bit tight on the center tube, so I remove them. The element is still sealed by the washers above and below; you could add a thin gasket if you wished. <> <> <> <> <> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: ; Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules power unit / oil filters > Luke, Ron, Ed, Jim, Herc/Canton OH. owners, > Several of us have these Hercules power units. Does anyone have a lead > on replacement oil filter cartridges? If not, I have a neighbor who is a > filtration engineer for Wix/Dana and he has offered to build what I need > to have a new filter! If there is interest from several of you, perhaps > I could have the neighbor make a short production run so we could all > have one or two for our engines. > Let me know if of interest. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC (home of Wix/Dana filters) > curt at imc-group.com > > Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > > Ed, > > > > I'm not sure if Jim is on the SEL or not. I copied this over to the > > oldengine.org list. Maybe he can contact you direct if he's not on > > the SEL. > > > > Jim, Please read attached messages in regards to your power plant you > > had at Portland this year. > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA > > =================== > > > From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Tue Nov 16 08:12:58 2004 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:12:58 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running In-Reply-To: <007d01c4cb4c$62e3dd30$3775833e@p350> Message-ID: <003101c4cbf7$24564250$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Greetings Harry, Glad to hear you have gotten it to run! I have both the 2 and 3 HP IHC Verticals in both the air cooled and hopper cooled and have yet to have any trouble like you have described. Is your intake valve seating all the way closed? I also have a few engines that I run on propane and have great luck. You'll get it figured out. Stick with it! Wayne A Thackery -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Harry Terpstra Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 11:51 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Another engine running Hi all, Saturday we had our 2HP vertical air-cooled International Famous running. It's running very nice, and only needed little "fine tuning" The problem is that it's very much "snottering" from the carburettor. Every time it has an intake stroke, it snotters gas out of the mixer (air intake) It is so bad that painting the engine will be pointless as it will damage the paint within a few hours. Since I REALLY hate leaking or splattering engine's we tried something different today.... Propane...... Well it really seems to work, it's running very nice (after a short warming up) and every time it can coast 12 times. The engine is has very good compresion, and really is in top condition (we're lucky this time;-) We did have allot of work making allot of parts for it though. many of the xternal parts were missing. Is there anyone on the SEL that has an air-cooled Famous, or any other experiance with snotering from the mixer? However expect for this problem I'm very happy to have it running this great! H.Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines > I like the color Dave. I bet the red striping will really set it off. Once > they are finished and on carts, wheel them out into the sunshine. The red on > the decals will probably get picked up better by the camera in some natural > light. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ============== > > >From: "Dave Ernst" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Subject: [SEL] A pair of Economy Engines > >Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:52:33 -0800 > > > >I posted a while back about restoring a couple of Hercules built Economy > >engines and painting them something different than usual, like yellow. One > >person said he had stomach problems over it, so now there are two to look > >at! > >Still have skids and carts to build along with some red pinstriping, but I > >think they surely will draw comments at the shows they will be attending. > >pics at > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009545 > > > >Under Bob's Hercules and Hercules Restoration albums. > > > >Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Tue Nov 16 11:24:26 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:24:26 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running References: <003101c4cbf7$24564250$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Message-ID: <004b01c4cc11$e2dc3850$3775833e@p350> The intake valve is seating well! When i turn over the engine by hand (against compression) I don't hear any "hissing" in the carburator. Yes we have a few other engines on propane too, like our 4 HP ball hopper Monitor, and we have great luck with it as well. Wayne can you do me a favor? Can you meassure the distance between the top of the mixer to the top of the overflow pipe? On our engine it's 40 mm (1 9/16") maybe it's to high? Thanks H.Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Thackery" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:12 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Another engine running > Greetings Harry, > > Glad to hear you have gotten it to run! I have both the 2 and 3 HP IHC > Verticals in both the air cooled and hopper cooled and have yet to have any > trouble like you have described. Is your intake valve seating all the way > closed? I also have a few engines that I run on propane and have great luck. > You'll get it figured out. Stick with it! > > Wayne A Thackery > From nancydick at keyconn.net Tue Nov 16 14:30:28 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:30:28 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT1 Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20041116142313.00b6ff00@mail.keyconn.net> Hi need some help on my Stover. The trip assembly on the mag is sticking. When it trips the mag is does not go back far enough to latch and be ready for next trip. If i hold pressure on the trip rod at the valve it will go back. It appears something in side crank assembly is sticking. Just got the mag back from a rebuild now this problem.??????????? any and all information appreciated. R Fink PA From curt at imc-group.com Tue Nov 16 12:11:33 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:11:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running In-Reply-To: <004b01c4cc11$e2dc3850$3775833e@p350> References: <003101c4cbf7$24564250$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> <004b01c4cc11$e2dc3850$3775833e@p350> Message-ID: <419A5EF5.9060702@imc-group.com> Harry, Is an economizer supposed to be present on a 2 or 3 HP IHC vertical? Horizontals have them..... Possibly a weak intake valve spring? While it may be sealing when checking stationary against compression, it is possible that when running there is some valve bounce or slow closing action that allows a slight puff of return air back into the manifold. Curt P.S. Have you tried catalyzed paints and primers so you don't have to worry about the effect of fuel on your paint? Harry Terpstra wrote: >The intake valve is seating well! >When i turn over the engine by hand (against compression) I don't hear any >"hissing" in the carburator. > > > From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Tue Nov 16 12:58:44 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:58:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running References: <003101c4cbf7$24564250$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> <004b01c4cc11$e2dc3850$3775833e@p350> <419A5EF5.9060702@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000701c4cc1f$0f9a7610$3775833e@p350> Hi Curt, > Is an economizer supposed to be present on a 2 or 3 HP IHC vertical? > Horizontals have them..... > Not on the air-cooled, > Possibly a weak intake valve spring? > While it may be sealing when checking stationary against compression, it > is possible that when running there is some valve bounce or slow closing > action that allows a slight puff of return air back into the manifold. > I didn't think of it that way, it's worth a try. I tried to put a ring under the intake valve spring, to make the tension a bit stronger, but it did affect the snottering. > P.S. Have you tried catalyzed paints and primers so you don't have to > worry about the effect of fuel on your paint? > I use Dupont Centari. IMO this is one of the better paints on the market (it should be if you look at the price;) But it can't witstand the gas for a long time (more than a few hours) What paint you use? TTYL, H.Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Another engine running > Harry, > Is an economizer supposed to be present on a 2 or 3 HP IHC vertical? > Horizontals have them..... > Possibly a weak intake valve spring? > While it may be sealing when checking stationary against compression, it > is possible that when running there is some valve bounce or slow closing > action that allows a slight puff of return air back into the manifold. > Curt > P.S. Have you tried catalyzed paints and primers so you don't have to > worry about the effect of fuel on your paint? > > Harry Terpstra wrote: > > >The intake valve is seating well! > >When i turn over the engine by hand (against compression) I don't hear any > >"hissing" in the carburator. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Tue Nov 16 13:00:08 2004 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:00:08 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running In-Reply-To: <004b01c4cc11$e2dc3850$3775833e@p350> Message-ID: <000201c4cc1f$45795ad0$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Greetings, Harry, I have measured all four and they all measure just a hair under 1 1/2". Hope this helps! Wayne A Thackery -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Harry Terpstra Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:24 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Another engine running The intake valve is seating well! When i turn over the engine by hand (against compression) I don't hear any "hissing" in the carburator. Yes we have a few other engines on propane too, like our 4 HP ball hopper Monitor, and we have great luck with it as well. Wayne can you do me a favor? Can you meassure the distance between the top of the mixer to the top of the overflow pipe? On our engine it's 40 mm (1 9/16") maybe it's to high? Thanks H.Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Thackery" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:12 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Another engine running > Greetings Harry, > > Glad to hear you have gotten it to run! I have both the 2 and 3 HP IHC > Verticals in both the air cooled and hopper cooled and have yet to have any > trouble like you have described. Is your intake valve seating all the way > closed? I also have a few engines that I run on propane and have great luck. > You'll get it figured out. Stick with it! > > Wayne A Thackery > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Nov 16 18:12:04 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:12:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT1 Message-ID: <20041116.211345.1204.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rich, I think you have the same problem I had. Do you have an enclosed crank ? Mine seems to have an oil starvation problem just inside the cover at the trip rod. It gets dry and sticks - although there's oil everywhere. I guess it just gets dirty and gums up. Once I take the crank cover off and free it - it seems to be okay. Not sure why it sticks. It has only happened to me once. Sorry I can't give better info. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 16 16:22:21 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:22:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. References: <20040929002015.2861.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <015c01c4cc3b$83764700$210110ac@PaulMaples> Steve can you tell me what the diameter of the large flywheel is on the Appleton #9 Corn Chopper? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. > Paul > > No idea on he maker yet. I will have to check several books to see If I > can match any casting #'s. > > I hae an Appleton #9 awaiting some minor wood work. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/EngineEquip/CornChopper.htm > > I also picked up the monster...A small 4 roll Appleton Husker Shredder > which takes the entire stalk, pops the ear of corn off, drops the ear onto > the rollers which removes the husks, sending the ear up the track intoa > wagon...The stalk meanwhile, goes thru the same setup as the chopper and > sends it thru a blower into a silo or pile. I finally had it out to a > show to test run it and it needs a little work but is working. Pics: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/26.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/27.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/28.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/29.JPG > > They are a neat display, but you need corn stalks to run thru them. > > Steve > > --- paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hey Gang I acquired this Silage Chopper and need help in identifying it. > Take a look at these 11 pictures and let me know if anyone has any idea > who the maker is: > > http://community.webshots.com/album/193008252ojcKpj?340 > > Thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Wed Nov 17 03:31:15 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:31:15 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question Message-ID: <20041117113115.41034.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> G'day Mates I've been following the thread on using propane. Could I ask someone to explain how this is done please? I'm guessing, but maybe just a zerk into the mixer fuel inlet fed by a gas regulator? Does running on gas require changes to any engine settings e.g. governor etc. Thanks Graham in Oz Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Nov 17 03:57:00 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:57:00 -0000 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question References: <20041117113115.41034.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401c4cc9c$8d1589e0$8c9f0952@no1> Hi Graham, many years ago when I had an early Lister L & found I was running short of petrol I used to put a pipe into the air intake of the Carb with a low flow of propane. Then I turned off the petrol & it would run all day. To do it properly you need a suction valve in the supply to turn on the gas when the engine sucks fuel. If you don't have the valve, if the engine stops you could flood the area with explosive gas. Happy playing. 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Harris" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 11:31 AM Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question > G'day Mates > > I've been following the thread on using propane. Could > I ask someone to explain how this is done please? I'm > guessing, but maybe just a zerk into the mixer fuel > inlet fed by a gas regulator? Does running on gas > require changes to any engine settings e.g. governor > etc. > > Thanks > > Graham in Oz > > > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at keyconn.net Wed Nov 17 07:05:47 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:05:47 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT1 In-Reply-To: <20041116.211345.1204.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20041117070402.00b1dd90@mail.keyconn.net> Yes Joe it is enclosed crank. What do i make a new gasket out of when i open it up to clean up the rod. Thanks R Fink PA At 09:12 PM 11/16/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Rich, > >I think you have the same problem I had. > >Do you have an enclosed crank ? > >Mine seems to have an oil starvation problem just inside the cover at the >trip rod. >It gets dry and sticks - although there's oil everywhere. >I guess it just gets dirty and gums up. > >Once I take the crank cover off and free it - it seems to be okay. >Not sure why it sticks. >It has only happened to me once. > >Sorry I can't give better info. > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com >,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - >\/)"(\/ when He was tired." >(_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Wed Nov 17 04:56:06 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:56:06 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running References: <000201c4cc1f$45795ad0$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Message-ID: <001601c4cca4$cd78b7c0$3775833e@p350> Thanks Wayne, Will try if it helps to make it 1?" as well. H.Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Thackery" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:00 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Another engine running > > Greetings, > > Harry, I have measured all four and they all measure just a hair under 1 > 1/2". Hope this helps! > > Wayne A Thackery > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Harry > Terpstra > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:24 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Another engine running > > > The intake valve is seating well! > When i turn over the engine by hand (against compression) I don't hear any > "hissing" in the carburator. > > Yes we have a few other engines on propane too, like our 4 HP ball hopper > Monitor, and we have great luck with it as well. > > Wayne can you do me a favor? Can you meassure the distance between the top > of the mixer to the top of the overflow pipe? > On our engine it's 40 mm (1 9/16") maybe it's to high? > > Thanks > > H.Terpstra > Sint Anna Parochie > Netherlands > h.terpstra at wxs.nl > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wayne Thackery" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:12 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Another engine running > > > > Greetings Harry, > > > > Glad to hear you have gotten it to run! I have both the 2 and 3 HP IHC > > Verticals in both the air cooled and hopper cooled and have yet to have > any > > trouble like you have described. Is your intake valve seating all the way > > closed? I also have a few engines that I run on propane and have great > luck. > > You'll get it figured out. Stick with it! > > > > Wayne A Thackery > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Wed Nov 17 04:58:16 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:58:16 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running References: <007d01c4cb4c$62e3dd30$3775833e@p350> <000701c4cbf0$742248d0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <002f01c4cca5$1b00e490$3775833e@p350> You're alaways welcome John! Hope to have solved some problem by next weekend. I think it's time for an IHC only engine show here in the Netherlands. H.Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Another engine running > Hi Harry, that's great to hear, so I have to come over > one of these days to see it life. > In the mean time you could fix that "Snottering" :o)) > > C-ya, > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > Hi all, > > > > Saturday we had our 2HP vertical air-cooled International Famous running. > > It's running very nice, and only needed little "fine tuning" > > > > H.Terpstra > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Nov 17 06:49:01 2004 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 06:49:01 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. References: <20040929002015.2861.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> <015c01c4cc3b$83764700$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <003501c4ccb4$94c6e9a0$57bb2304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> 39.7 cm Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 4:22 PM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. > Steve can you tell me what the diameter of the large flywheel is on the > Appleton #9 Corn Chopper? > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Barr" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 6:20 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. > > > > Paul > > > > No idea on he maker yet. I will have to check several books to see If I > > can match any casting #'s. > > > > I hae an Appleton #9 awaiting some minor wood work. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/EngineEquip/CornChopper.htm > > > > I also picked up the monster...A small 4 roll Appleton Husker Shredder > > which takes the entire stalk, pops the ear of corn off, drops the ear onto > > the rollers which removes the husks, sending the ear up the track intoa > > wagon...The stalk meanwhile, goes thru the same setup as the chopper and > > sends it thru a blower into a silo or pile. I finally had it out to a > > show to test run it and it needs a little work but is working. Pics: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/26.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/27.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/28.JPG > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/29.JPG > > > > They are a neat display, but you need corn stalks to run thru them. > > > > Steve > > > > --- paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > > Hey Gang I acquired this Silage Chopper and need help in identifying it. > > Take a look at these 11 pictures and let me know if anyone has any idea > > who the maker is: > > > > http://community.webshots.com/album/193008252ojcKpj?340 > > > > Thanks, > > > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Nov 17 07:21:16 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:21:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT1 Message-ID: <20041117.104528.1204.10.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rich, You can buy a gasket kit through - Hit & Miss - Starbolt - Etc. There are about 4 cork gaskets and 3 felt gaskets. Problem : I've had mine apart many times. Thing is - I can't seem to get it sealed up tight and the engine always leaks and throws oil from the cover. The last time I put in new gaskets, I RTV'd one side of the gaskets as to "glue" them to the base. I allowed the gaskets to stay "dry" on the cover side so I could remove the cover without destroying the seal. It worked to some satisfaction. I still get a leak where the cork & felt meet each other in the corners. The cork is used on flat surfaces. The felt is used around the front section and over the top of the crank bearing caps. Make sure you have an "oil splasher" on the lower bolt of the connecting rod bearing. It's only about 3/4" long. Make sure your breather is clear on top of the cover. There is a lot of oil activity going on inside the cover. I love the Stover - It is a beautiful running engine - Runs fairly fast. But sort of embarrassing at a show to see all that oil running down the sides and on to the skids. Good Luck Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From nancydick at keyconn.net Wed Nov 17 12:39:02 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:39:02 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT1 In-Reply-To: <20041117.104528.1204.10.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20041117123605.00b56100@mail.keyconn.net> Thanks Joe this is a barn fresh engine so will call one of them for new gaskets. As to the problem with sealing at joints try some of the GM gasket maker between them. Have had good luck with it in butting gaskets. R Fink PA At 10:21 AM 11/17/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Rich, > >You can buy a gasket kit through - Hit & Miss - Starbolt - Etc. > >There are about 4 cork gaskets and 3 felt gaskets. > >Problem : I've had mine apart many times. Thing is - I can't seem to >get it sealed up >tight and the engine always leaks and throws oil from the cover. The >last time I put in new gaskets, I RTV'd one side of the gaskets as to >"glue" them to the base. I allowed the gaskets to stay "dry" on the >cover side so I could remove the cover without destroying the seal. > >It worked to some satisfaction. I still get a leak where the cork & felt >meet each other in the corners. > >The cork is used on flat surfaces. The felt is used around the front >section and over the top of the crank bearing caps. > >Make sure you have an "oil splasher" on the lower bolt of the connecting >rod bearing. >It's only about 3/4" long. >Make sure your breather is clear on top of the cover. >There is a lot of oil activity going on inside the cover. > >I love the Stover - It is a beautiful running engine - Runs fairly fast. >But sort of embarrassing at a show to see all that oil running down the >sides and on to the skids. > >Good Luck > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > \/)"(\/ when He was tired." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Nov 17 10:03:33 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:03:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT1 References: <20041117.104528.1204.10.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <002b01c4cccf$db676720$16f5f504@x8h7l9> Hello Joe, I am in the process of restoring a Stover CT2 and have been following your post attentively. The Piston and rod were out of mine when I picked it up and never saw an oil slinger on the rod cap. I am glad you mentioned it because I would not have known about it. Any Chance you could send me a picture of what I will have to make.edstoller at earthlink dot net. Also, I noticed that the crankshaft bearing on the PTO side ( opposite the magneto ) had more ware than the other and it looked like it was not getting enough oil. There was a very compact wad of felt in the oil hole on the bearing cap that to me looked liked it blocked the oil flow the bearing. I had in mind leaving the felt out entirely and if too much oil came thru the bearing putting a light piece of felt in the oil port. What do you think? Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover CT1 > Hi Rich, > SNIP> Make sure you have an "oil splasher" on the lower bolt of the connecting > rod bearing. > It's only about 3/4" long. SNIP> From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 17 14:46:14 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:46:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT1 References: <20041117.104528.1204.10.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <008d01c4ccf7$3edd5ea0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> I allowed the gaskets to stay "dry" on the > cover side so I could remove the cover without destroying the seal. > experiment with some Hylomar on that top surface , It allows dissasembly and reuse .Lot of the gummers prefer grease . And for good reason . . > It worked to some satisfaction. I still get a leak where the cork & felt > meet each other in the corners. > as said the Gm black will fill the void between the two , like the old style vee8 intakes and TC's that came in 4 pieces . The pinnacle of 70's engineering . From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 17 14:47:25 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:47:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bull gear grease Message-ID: <009501c4ccf7$68de3d00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> I called the baler company about that bull wheel grease ,and it was nearly 50 bucks a gallon . Chuck ? From rdi at rochester.rr.com Wed Nov 17 15:34:15 2004 From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:34:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: A pair of Economy Engines Message-ID: <000d01c4ccfd$f3d60c20$ecb4a918@rochester.rr.com> Hey, Dave- For further encouragement, check out the article & many pics online in Farm Collector magazine at: http://farmcollector.com/feature.asp?id=1004f1 -Rick I. Working on a Taylor Vacuum Engine, near Rochester, NY From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 17 15:01:58 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:01:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question References: <20041117113115.41034.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009f01c4ccf9$711c0040$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > I've been following the thread on using propane. Could > I ask someone to explain how this is done please? I'm > guessing, but maybe just a zerk into the mixer fuel > inlet fed by a gas regulator? Does running on gas > require changes to any engine settings e.g. governor > etc. Extremely complicated or It can be as simple as sticking an orifice in the venturi I have come across some field conversions that were no more that copper tube necked into the mixer . One they beat the tubing flat over what would appear to be a sewing needle inserted into the bore of the copper tube , then withdrew it leaving a tiny hole . It is really easy to flood on gas , so they get started as Dave mentioned and switched over My big ones , thru trial and error I learn where to mark with a scribe , set it thusly , and they start consistantly . Chuck From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Nov 17 21:10:54 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:10:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT1 Message-ID: <20041118.001131.1020.2.jlb94@juno.com> experiment with some Hylomar on that top surface , It allows dissasembly and reuse .Lot of the gummers prefer grease . And for good reason . = = = = = What's Hylomar ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Nov 17 21:09:22 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:09:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT1 Message-ID: <20041118.001131.1020.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Ed, Actually - NO - I wouldn't have a pic of the oil slinger - but - I made a new one for my Stover as the one in there seemed too little to do anything. I made mine to fit on the lower rod cap bolt - the same width as the cap and tapered it to a blunt point as it extends into the oil. Total length is about an inch & a quarter (1?" ) with only about three quarter of an inch extending toward the oil or bottom of the engine. It was also curved forward. Sort of like a bent finger or very similar to a finger pick used in guitar playing. Not a real sharp bend, just sort of curved forward. = = = As for the wad of felt in the bearing caps - - - I was tempted to take mine out - then decided not to as that might allow the bearing to go dry too fast or allow the bearings to leak. Felt stays wet with oil and lubricates the crank. I don't think they should be too tight but should be snug enough to stay in. I sort of felt the tiny slinger I had may have prevented my trip rod from getting enough oil and causing it to stick. Hope this helps. Feel free to ask any questions as you make that slinger. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 17 21:57:59 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:57:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bull gear grease In-Reply-To: <009501c4ccf7$68de3d00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <009501c4ccf7$68de3d00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041118005554.024ddb28@mail.alltel.net> At 05:47 PM 11/17/2004, you wrote: >I called the baler company about that bull wheel grease ,and it was nearly >50 bucks a gallon . >Chuck ? Hi Chuck ?, That's probably not all that bad a price. Last night I paid just a bit less than that for a gallon of diesel! Dave From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Thu Nov 18 01:53:06 2004 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:23:06 +1030 Subject: [SEL] Bull gear grease References: <009501c4ccf7$68de3d00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041118005554.024ddb28@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000601c4cd54$67d5ac60$9ec68890@chaos> try A$560.oo for 2.5 litres of Premise 200 termite chemical spray. 2.500 litre [l] equivalent to: 0.66043 US gallon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Bull gear grease At 05:47 PM 11/17/2004, you wrote: >I called the baler company about that bull wheel grease ,and it was nearly >50 bucks a gallon . >Chuck ? Hi Chuck ?, That's probably not all that bad a price. Last night I paid just a bit less than that for a gallon of diesel! Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Nov 18 08:20:00 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:20:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bull gear grease In-Reply-To: <000601c4cd54$67d5ac60$9ec68890@chaos> References: <009501c4ccf7$68de3d00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041118005554.024ddb28@mail.alltel.net> <000601c4cd54$67d5ac60$9ec68890@chaos> Message-ID: <419CCBB0.1050401@fidnet.com> I've been following this thread and I am still wondering where the gears are located on a bull and just how one would go about greasing them... Gary derek wrote: > try A$560.oo for 2.5 litres of Premise 200 termite chemical spray. > 2.500 litre [l] equivalent to: 0.66043 US gallon > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 4:27 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Bull gear grease > > > At 05:47 PM 11/17/2004, you wrote: > >> I called the baler company about that bull wheel grease ,and it was >> nearly >> 50 bucks a gallon . >> Chuck ? > > > Hi Chuck ?, That's probably not all that bad a price. Last night I paid > just a bit less than that for a gallon of diesel! > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Nov 18 09:24:35 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:24:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bull gear grease In-Reply-To: <419CCBB0.1050401@fidnet.com> References: <009501c4ccf7$68de3d00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041118005554.024ddb28@mail.alltel.net> <000601c4cd54$67d5ac60$9ec68890@chaos> <419CCBB0.1050401@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <419CDAD3.2030809@imc-group.com> Gary Epps wrote: > I've been following this thread and I am still wondering where the > gears are located on a bull Same place you find 'em on a worm. > and just how one would go about greasing them... VERY carefully! Curt > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Nov 18 10:49:38 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:49:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running In-Reply-To: <000701c4cc1f$0f9a7610$3775833e@p350> References: <003101c4cbf7$24564250$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> <004b01c4cc11$e2dc3850$3775833e@p350> <419A5EF5.9060702@imc-group.com> <000701c4cc1f$0f9a7610$3775833e@p350> Message-ID: <419CEEC2.6050707@imc-group.com> Harry Terpstra wrote: >I use Dupont Centari. IMO this is one of the better paints on the market (it >should be if you look at the price;) >But it can't witstand the gas for a long time (more than a few hours) >What paint you use? > > > Harry, Have been a fan of Dupont Imron for years, a 2 part urethane paint. Can soak it in gasoline or wipe down in lacquer thinner and it does not hurt it. Is Centari a 2 part paint? If so it should hold up to gasoline too. Are you using a 2 part primer under the Centari? If using a solvent based primer instead of a two part primer that is your problem. The primer is what is actually lifting, making it look like the color top coat is the problem. I have had beautiful black Imron destroyed by weeping gasoline because I used lacquer primer surfacer. Once I switched to 2 part primers that problem has gone away. Be ready for sticker shock, the primers are as expensive as the top coat. But at least it will stay down. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Thu Nov 18 11:15:55 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:15:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running References: <003101c4cbf7$24564250$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> <004b01c4cc11$e2dc3850$3775833e@p350> <419A5EF5.9060702@imc-group.com> <000701c4cc1f$0f9a7610$3775833e@p350> <419CEEC2.6050707@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004901c4cda3$07066740$3775833e@harryp1811> Curt, Yes Centari is a 2 part paint. It is car paint. I've heard about DuPont Imron, and Dulux, but both is not for sale up here:( I use original Dupont car primer too. (R810+ R815) it's a two part primer, and is told to be very good. (It's expensive as well;-) However the problem might be the gasoline we have here for the last decade. I think it's more agressive than the US gasoline. Two years ago we bought tank sealer in England, and our friend there uses it with sucses, but here it started leaking again after awhile. TTYL, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Another engine running > Harry Terpstra wrote: > > >I use Dupont Centari. IMO this is one of the better paints on the market (it > >should be if you look at the price;) > >But it can't witstand the gas for a long time (more than a few hours) > >What paint you use? > > > > > > > Harry, > Have been a fan of Dupont Imron for years, a 2 part urethane paint. Can > soak it in gasoline or wipe down in lacquer thinner and it does not hurt it. > > Is Centari a 2 part paint? If so it should hold up to gasoline too. > > Are you using a 2 part primer under the Centari? If using a solvent > based primer instead of a two part primer that is your problem. The > primer is what is actually lifting, making it look like the color top > coat is the problem. > I have had beautiful black Imron destroyed by weeping gasoline because I > used lacquer primer surfacer. Once I switched to 2 part primers that > problem has gone away. Be ready for sticker shock, the primers are as > expensive as the top coat. But at least it will stay down. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Thu Nov 18 11:23:20 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:23:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running References: <003101c4cbf7$24564250$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> <004b01c4cc11$e2dc3850$3775833e@p350> <419A5EF5.9060702@imc-group.com> <000701c4cc1f$0f9a7610$3775833e@p350> <419CEEC2.6050707@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <005201c4cda4$105c6dc0$3775833e@harryp1811> Wayne, We tried to set the return line on 1?" but still no luck:( We have taken apart the engine again now, as it was starting to leak arond the valve cage's as well. Now I'm cleaning / flattening them with a pipe and grinding compound. Just turning the pipe back and forth where the ring seats. I'm almost there for the exhaust side;-) Oh for now we will continue to go on with the propane..... Keep you updated. TTYL, Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 18 11:31:39 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:31:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Another engine running In-Reply-To: <004901c4cda3$07066740$3775833e@harryp1811> References: <003101c4cbf7$24564250$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> <004b01c4cc11$e2dc3850$3775833e@p350> <419A5EF5.9060702@imc-group.com> <000701c4cc1f$0f9a7610$3775833e@p350> <419CEEC2.6050707@imc-group.com> <004901c4cda3$07066740$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: Hi Harry, Gee, the answer seems pretty obvious. You need to import some of our "kinder and gentler" gasoline. It's also pretty cheap at less than $2.00 per gallon (~0.40 Euro per liter). 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, Harry Terpstra wrote: > (It's expensive as well;-) > However the problem might be the gasoline we have here for the last decade. > I think it's more agressive than the US gasoline. > > Two years ago we bought tank sealer in England, and our friend there uses it > with sucses, but here it started leaking again after awhile. From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Thu Nov 18 11:42:50 2004 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:42:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running In-Reply-To: <005201c4cda4$105c6dc0$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <002301c4cda6$ca4ff740$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Greetings, Thanks Harry, I'm just going out the door to my Rotary Club Meeting. Keep at it you will figure it out sooner or later. That's what makes this hobby so much fun. When you do get it right you really fell like your have concurred the world! Wayne -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Harry Terpstra Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 11:23 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Another engine running Wayne, We tried to set the return line on 1?" but still no luck:( We have taken apart the engine again now, as it was starting to leak arond the valve cage's as well. Now I'm cleaning / flattening them with a pipe and grinding compound. Just turning the pipe back and forth where the ring seats. I'm almost there for the exhaust side;-) Oh for now we will continue to go on with the propane..... Keep you updated. TTYL, Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Thu Nov 18 11:42:44 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:42:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question References: <20041117113115.41034.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> <009f01c4ccf9$711c0040$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <005a01c4cda6$c610ee00$3775833e@harryp1811> On the IHC Famous, we'll make a flange that will come between the mixer, and the manifold. It's about 12mm (?") thick, and we make a jet in the flange to hook up the propane. Works real good. We start on propane without much effort. When cold it's isn't running that great, but as soon as it warms up (after a couple of minutes) it runs real nice. We use it on a 4 or 5 engines. A few of them because on gasoline they are dripping / leaking very much. And our Witte headless, and the Monitor because on gasoline they get very dirty. Mainly because they have a (pre) combustion chamber. Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] old engines on Propane question > > > I've been following the thread on using propane. Could > > I ask someone to explain how this is done please? I'm > > guessing, but maybe just a zerk into the mixer fuel > > inlet fed by a gas regulator? Does running on gas > > require changes to any engine settings e.g. governor > > etc. > > Extremely complicated or > It can be as simple as sticking an orifice in the venturi > I have come across some field conversions that were > no more that copper tube necked into the mixer . One they > beat the tubing flat over what would appear to be a sewing needle > inserted into the bore of the copper tube , then withdrew it leaving a tiny > hole . > It is really easy to flood on gas , so they get started as Dave mentioned > and switched over > > My big ones , thru trial and error I learn where to mark with a scribe , set > it thusly , > and they start consistantly . > > > > Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Thu Nov 18 13:01:40 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:01:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running References: <003101c4cbf7$24564250$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> <004b01c4cc11$e2dc3850$3775833e@p350> <419A5EF5.9060702@imc-group.com> <000701c4cc1f$0f9a7610$3775833e@p350> <419CEEC2.6050707@imc-group.com> <004901c4cda3$07066740$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <007a01c4cdb1$ccfd6300$3775833e@harryp1811> That would be a great idea Arnie! Since gasoline is about ?1.25 per liter, I could make good profit by selling it for around ?1 per liter. Of course I need to keep some for my own engines;-) Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Another engine running > Hi Harry, > > Gee, the answer seems pretty obvious. You need to import some of our > "kinder and gentler" gasoline. It's also pretty cheap at less than $2.00 > per gallon (~0.40 Euro per liter). 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Thu Nov 18 16:57:28 2004 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:57:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question In-Reply-To: <20041117113115.41034.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Graham, I have an engine I run on propane. The carburetor has an inlet for natural gas or propane just behind the air breather. In order to get the engine to throttle properly you need 2 regulators. If you're just going to run it with no load then you just need one. I have a primary regulator that goes on the tank, and a secondary regulator which is close to the carburetor. The primary regulator reduces the tank pressure to low line pressure. The secondary regulator is a large diaphram regulator that is sensitive to the vaccumm of the engines intake. When the secondary regulator senses more vaccumm then it allows more fuel into the engine. I put a ball valve between the secondary regulator and the carburetor which acts as the fuel adjustment. When the throttle is closed then less vaccumm the regulator cuts back the amount of gas. I use this setup on a Fairbanks 118 I use to drive a generator and it works really well. I've tried using just one regulator but as soon as the governor kicked in I had to re-adjust the regulator. I've run my IHC M just by sticking the hose into the intake, it's a little tricky to get it right though... I can send a pic of my FBM engine with the secondary regulator on the carburetor if you want to see it... Also you don't have to change any governor settings. It should still run the same. Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Graham Harris wrote: > G'day Mates > > I've been following the thread on using propane. Could > I ask someone to explain how this is done please? I'm > guessing, but maybe just a zerk into the mixer fuel > inlet fed by a gas regulator? Does running on gas > require changes to any engine settings e.g. governor > etc. > > Thanks > > Graham in Oz > > > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Thu Nov 18 17:00:38 2004 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:00:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] New flywheel engines. In-Reply-To: <001f01c4caa4$49beb9e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: Hey, They have a generator setup similar to mine! It sure beats a 10hp Briggs when you're running it for days at a time... >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Sun, 14 Nov 2004, Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi all, > > I saw this in GEM, and thought of those that don't get the magazine. Even if you do this is worth a look. > > http://arrowengine.com/ > > Check out the C and L series, and the gensets. Also some parts available that might interest some of you. > > Enjoy, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Sun Nov 14 01:41:23 2004 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:41:23 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Vertical Stover Rings References: <200411140901.iAE91ufv076770@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000801c4ca2e$1c1f5ba0$0301a8c0@Young1203> Hi Patrick, My no. 95096 (4hp) has 4 rings. Michael Y. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 8:01 PM Subject: [SEL] Vertical Stover Rings > Here is a quick question for those of you who have vertical Stovers. How > many piston rings does your engine have? > My YC and YB have four as does Ron's YB and Edd's YB but the piston we > pulled out of Ron's spare YC barrel today has three! It is an original > piston and is the same as my other YC piston but it has one less ring. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Nov 18 16:09:10 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 00:09:10 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running References: <003101c4cbf7$24564250$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7><004b01c4cc11$e2dc3850$3775833e@p350> <419A5EF5.9060702@imc-group.com><000701c4cc1f$0f9a7610$3775833e@p350> <419CEEC2.6050707@imc-group.com><004901c4cda3$07066740$3775833e@harryp1811> <007a01c4cdb1$ccfd6300$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <000a01c4cdcb$ffdd39c0$8c9f0952@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Terpstra" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Another engine running > That would be a great idea Arnie! > Since gasoline is about ?1.25 per liter, I could make good profit by selling > it for around ?1 per liter. > Of course I need to keep some for my own engines;-) > Harry Terpstra Hi Guys, I wish you wouldn't upset me this way. We are paying $6.86 a gallon & $1.52 a litre. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Nov 18 16:40:35 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:40:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running References: <003101c4cbf7$24564250$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7><004b01c4cc11$e2dc3850$3775833e@p350> <419A5EF5.9060702@imc-group.com><000701c4cc1f$0f9a7610$3775833e@p350> <419CEEC2.6050707@imc-group.com><004901c4cda3$07066740$3775833e@harryp1811><007a01c4cdb1$ccfd6300$3775833e@harryp1811> <000a01c4cdcb$ffdd39c0$8c9f0952@no1> Message-ID: <000701c4cdd0$62b6b810$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Dave, that's very sheap at your side of the canal. When Harry said it costs ?1.25 per litre, that's the same as $1.61796 US. Glad my car is diesel fired :o) John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web Hi Guys, I wish you wouldn't upset me this way. We are paying $6.86 a gallon & $1.52 a litre. Dave Croft From carrowor2002 at att.net Thu Nov 18 08:31:08 2004 From: carrowor2002 at att.net (Robert Jacobs) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:31:08 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Bull gear grease References: <419CCBB0.1050401@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <419CCE4C.000001.03220@NOTEBOOK> It's not important where the gears are on a bull. You just throw the bucket of grease at it and run like hell!! Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! Carrowor2002 at att.net -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 11/18/04 11:22:40 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Bull gear grease I've been following this thread and I am still wondering where the gears are located on a bull and just how one would go about greasing them... Gary From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Nov 18 18:06:03 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:06:03 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please Message-ID: Hi Everybody, I've been trying to buy an engine for a few years but haven't had any luck. I stopped by to check on it after work tonight. I got lucky as the owner was just pulling in the drive just as I was leaving. After chatting a bit I made an offer on the engine. He thought for about 2 seconds and said probably not. Which was better than times before as all I got before was I'm not ready to sell it. I was led to believe he actually thought about it this time and I feel he might sell it if I come up with the right amount of money. But this is also the first time I offered a dollar figure. I also offered to come back and put a bucket over top of the engine to keep it from rotting away any more, he replied with "Certainly, any time." I'm not real framiliar with rare engines and the price they bring. My question is, can someone give me an approximate value of the engine pictured here? http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/roughvertical/roughvertical.html What would something like this bring if it was all restored? I don't have a clue and think I might be low in my offer, but then again I don't want to offer more than a realistic price. Off list is Ok if you want. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 18 15:08:42 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:08:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New flywheel engines. References: Message-ID: <006e01c4cdc3$8cbc8b60$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> ----- > They have a generator setup similar to mine! It sure > beats a 10hp Briggs when you're running it for days at a time... http://arrowengine.com/990starter.htm someone was just asking about these things i see em once in a while for brushes and buttons Uses FoMoCo style rotating electrical From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 18 16:10:04 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:10:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Vertical Stover Rings References: <200411140901.iAE91ufv076770@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <000801c4ca2e$1c1f5ba0$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <00ad01c4cdcc$2180fb20$210110ac@PaulMaples> Michael what year is your engine? Does it have a fuel saver arm (Intake Valve Lock) on the head? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Young" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 3:41 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Vertical Stover Rings > Hi Patrick, > > My no. 95096 (4hp) has 4 rings. > > Michael Y. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; > "Stationary Engine Mailing List" > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 8:01 PM > From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Thu Nov 18 22:35:06 2004 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:35:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Vertical Stover Rings References: <200411140901.iAE91ufv076770@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><000801c4ca2e$1c1f5ba0$0301a8c0@Young1203> <00ad01c4cdcc$2180fb20$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <001301c4ce01$ea1a2e50$0301a8c0@Young1203> Hi Paul, My engine is 1917 and my fuel saver arm is missing. They look simple and when the time comes I will fabricate one. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Vertical Stover Rings > Michael what year is your engine? Does it have a fuel saver arm (Intake > Valve Lock) on the head? > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Young" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 3:41 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Vertical Stover Rings > > > > Hi Patrick, > > > > My no. 95096 (4hp) has 4 rings. > > > > Michael Y. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > > To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; > > "Stationary Engine Mailing List" > > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 8:01 PM > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Fri Nov 19 02:07:20 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:07:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Vertical Stover Rings References: <200411140901.iAE91ufv076770@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <000801c4ca2e$1c1f5ba0$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <001701c4ce1f$8e81dd40$3775833e@harryp1811> Hi Patrick, My Patrick, My Stover A type (2HP) sn: 5148 has 3 rings. My YB (3HP) sn: 15669, has 4 rings. This engine is from 1909. I never paid any attention to it, because the A type is a smaller engine (4" bore) so I guess that's the reason. Hope this helps. Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; > "Stationary Engine Mailing List" > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 8:01 PM > Subject: [SEL] Vertical Stover Rings > > > > Here is a quick question for those of you who have vertical Stovers. How > > many piston rings does your engine have? > > My YC and YB have four as does Ron's YB and Edd's YB but the piston we > > pulled out of Ron's spare YC barrel today has three! It is an original > > piston and is the same as my other YC piston but it has one less ring. > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > > Leichhardt NSW > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Fri Nov 19 02:09:39 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:09:39 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Another engine running References: <003101c4cbf7$24564250$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> <004b01c4cc11$e2dc3850$3775833e@p350> <419A5EF5.9060702@imc-group.com> <000701c4cc1f$0f9a7610$3775833e@p350> <419CEEC2.6050707@imc-group.com> <004901c4cda3$07066740$3775833e@harryp1811> <007a01c4cdb1$ccfd6300$3775833e@harryp1811> <000a01c4cdcb$ffdd39c0$8c9f0952@no1> <000701c4cdd0$62b6b810$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <002301c4ce1f$e7a932b0$3775833e@harryp1811> Yeh me too John, But at $1.17 per liter not really cheap either. Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 1:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Another engine running > > Hi Dave, that's very sheap at your side of the canal. > When Harry said it costs ?1.25 per litre, that's the > same as $1.61796 US. > Glad my car is diesel fired :o) > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > Hi Guys, I wish you wouldn't upset me this way. > We are paying $6.86 a gallon & $1.52 a litre. > Dave Croft > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Fri Nov 19 02:17:43 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:17:43 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please References: Message-ID: <002b01c4ce21$0203c2a0$3775833e@harryp1811> Wow Luke!! You did find something REAL nice!!!! Actually I have no idea what is it, but it's obvious it very old, and a real odball!! Look at the shape of that "A" frame base! I'm hooked;-) I have no idea what the valeu might be, and I geuss it's hard to put a price on something that is so rare. It certaintly needs allot of TLC, but I'm sure it's worth it. Maybe you better don't go to him and raise your offer, because he might think it's real valueable. (But I know it's difficult;-) I hope you can get this one Luke!! Good luck! Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 3:06 AM Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please > Hi Everybody, > > I've been trying to buy an engine for a few years but haven't had any luck. > I stopped by to check on it after work tonight. I got lucky as the owner was > just pulling in the drive just as I was leaving. After chatting a bit I made > an offer on the engine. He thought for about 2 seconds and said probably > not. Which was better than times before as all I got before was I'm not > ready to sell it. I was led to believe he actually thought about it this > time and I feel he might sell it if I come up with the right amount of > money. But this is also the first time I offered a dollar figure. I also > offered to come back and put a bucket over top of the engine to keep it from > rotting away any more, he replied with "Certainly, any time." I'm not real > framiliar with rare engines and the price they bring. > > My question is, can someone give me an approximate value of the engine > pictured here? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/roughvertical/roughvertical.html > > What would something like this bring if it was all restored? I don't have a > clue and think I might be low in my offer, but then again I don't want to > offer more than a realistic price. Off list is Ok if you want. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Fri Nov 19 04:26:14 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:26:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please Message-ID: <111920041226.27444.2552@mchsi.com> Luke, How much did you offer him????? Curt Andree > Hi Everybody, > > I've been trying to buy an engine for a few years but haven't had any luck. > I stopped by to check on it after work tonight. I got lucky as the owner was > just pulling in the drive just as I was leaving. After chatting a bit I made > an offer on the engine. He thought for about 2 seconds and said probably > not. Which was better than times before as all I got before was I'm not > ready to sell it. I was led to believe he actually thought about it this > time and I feel he might sell it if I come up with the right amount of > money. But this is also the first time I offered a dollar figure. I also > offered to come back and put a bucket over top of the engine to keep it from > rotting away any more, he replied with "Certainly, any time." I'm not real > framiliar with rare engines and the price they bring. > > My question is, can someone give me an approximate value of the engine > pictured here? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/roughvertical/roughvertical.html > > What would something like this bring if it was all restored? I don't have a > clue and think I might be low in my offer, but then again I don't want to > offer more than a realistic price. Off list is Ok if you want. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Nov 19 06:18:12 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:18:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Pouring Babbitt..revisited Message-ID: Howdy all; Well I'm getting my first on hands experience pouring babbitt for the saw arbor bearings on the sawrig. Should I leave the ends partially open so the trapped air can escape or just dam them air tight? After a couple pours the babbitt in places doesn't want to make it all the way to the dams. Should I heat the shaft also? I'm heating the babbitt until it chars a stick. The casting until I'm sure all the moisture is out. Appreciate any advise and thanks for the threads over the years!!! Take Care RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From segray at mlode.com Fri Nov 19 09:20:50 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:20:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question In-Reply-To: <005a01c4cda6$c610ee00$3775833e@harryp1811> References: <20041117113115.41034.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> <009f01c4ccf9$711c0040$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <005a01c4cda6$c610ee00$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <419E2B72.9000304@mlode.com> Hi Harry - I also recently entered the world of propane, this being on a newly completed model. At first, I tried the simple approach of just piping the gas to the mixer (two ball valves, one air, one gas), but didn't like the idea of the unchecked gas flow if the engine stalled, and the results weren't that good as far as operation. I ended up fabricating a 'demand valve' which made all the difference in the world. The thing runs so good now I hate to tear it down to paint it! The engine is a Mery like those 2 that Reg recently finished. Pictures, sound and a video are located at the top of my main web page. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Harry Terpstra wrote: >On the IHC Famous, we'll make a flange that will come between the mixer, and >the manifold. >It's about 12mm (?") thick, and we make a jet in the flange to hook up the >propane. >Works real good. We start on propane without much effort. >When cold it's isn't running that great, but as soon as it warms up (after a >couple of minutes) it runs real nice. > >We use it on a 4 or 5 engines. A few of them because on gasoline they are >dripping / leaking very much. >And our Witte headless, and the Monitor because on gasoline they get very >dirty. Mainly because they have a (pre) combustion chamber. > > >Harry Terpstra >Sint Annaparochie >Netherlands >h.terpstra at wxs.nl >http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:01 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] old engines on Propane question > > > > >>>I've been following the thread on using propane. Could >>>I ask someone to explain how this is done please? I'm >>>guessing, but maybe just a zerk into the mixer fuel >>>inlet fed by a gas regulator? Does running on gas >>>require changes to any engine settings e.g. governor >>>etc. >>> >>> >>Extremely complicated or >>It can be as simple as sticking an orifice in the venturi >>I have come across some field conversions that were >>no more that copper tube necked into the mixer . One they >>beat the tubing flat over what would appear to be a sewing needle >>inserted into the bore of the copper tube , then withdrew it leaving a >> >> >tiny > > >>hole . >>It is really easy to flood on gas , so they get started as Dave mentioned >>and switched over >> >>My big ones , thru trial and error I learn where to mark with a scribe , >> >> >set > > >>it thusly , >>and they start consistantly . >> >> >> >>Chuck >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Nov 19 11:07:18 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:07:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Browser Help Message-ID: <419E4466.6070804@fidnet.com> I have been using Mozilla Thunderbird for email for the past week and I can't find a way to add a signature, nor can I get it to check email every few minutes and automatically download it to my computer, and it doesn't search for email on start-up and download it. Does anyone know where I can find the settings to get it to do this? I would appreciate any help. Please reply off-list. Thank you, Gary From rholtzer at earthlink.net Fri Nov 19 13:19:42 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:19:42 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Browser Help In-Reply-To: <419E4466.6070804@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20041119131908.00bb4c80@mail.earthlink.net> I think Mozilla has a manual. Probably not free?? Bob Holtzer At 01:07 PM 11/19/2004 -0600, you wrote: >I have been using Mozilla Thunderbird for email for the past week and I >can't find a way to add a signature, nor can I get it to check email every >few minutes and auI tomatically download it to my computer, and it doesn't >search for email on start-up and download it. > >Does anyone know where I can find the settings to get it to do this? I >would appreciate any help. Please reply off-list. > >Thank you, > >Gary > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Fri Nov 19 13:36:26 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:36:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Browser Help In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20041119131908.00bb4c80@mail.earthlink.net> References: <419E4466.6070804@fidnet.com> <4.2.2.20041119131908.00bb4c80@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9mpsp0d6smnustkshdi5qfi1jkgbiqhd62@4ax.com> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:19:42 -0800, you wrote: >I think Mozilla has a manual. Probably not free?? > > >Bob Holtzer > >At 01:07 PM 11/19/2004 -0600, you wrote: >>I have been using Mozilla Thunderbird for email for the past week and I >>can't find a way to add a signature, nor can I get it to check email every >>few minutes and auI tomatically download it to my computer, and it doesn't >>search for email on start-up and download it. >> >>Does anyone know where I can find the settings to get it to do this? I >>would appreciate any help. Please reply off-list. >> >>Thank you, >> >>Gary Just had a look at the programme (downloaded and installed it) it doesn't appear to have any means of adding a sig to the outgoing email. Also note that the programme is a 'Technology Preview' to quote Mozilla in the release notes that accompany the programme. You're better off going to something lke Agent if you want a decent fully-featured email and news client. (www.forteinc.com) Peter From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Nov 19 14:34:10 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:34:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Browser Help In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20041119131908.00bb4c80@mail.earthlink.net> References: <4.2.2.20041119131908.00bb4c80@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <419E74E2.9000205@fidnet.com> Yes it has a manual, no it's not free, and yee I have it. However, it doesn't say anything about the email program, juat Mozilla Firefox the browser. Gary Robert L. Holtzer wrote: > I think Mozilla has a manual. Probably not free?? > > > Bob Holtzer > > At 01:07 PM 11/19/2004 -0600, you wrote: > >> I have been using Mozilla Thunderbird for email for the past week and >> I can't find a way to add a signature, nor can I get it to check email >> every few minutes and auI tomatically download it to my computer, and >> it doesn't search for email on start-up and download it. >> >> Does anyone know where I can find the settings to get it to do this? >> I would appreciate any help. Please reply off-list. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Gary >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Nov 19 14:37:38 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:37:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Browser Help In-Reply-To: <9mpsp0d6smnustkshdi5qfi1jkgbiqhd62@4ax.com> References: <419E4466.6070804@fidnet.com> <4.2.2.20041119131908.00bb4c80@mail.earthlink.net> <9mpsp0d6smnustkshdi5qfi1jkgbiqhd62@4ax.com> Message-ID: <419E75B2.9020300@fidnet.com> Thanks Peter, I'll give it a look-see. I don't recall, is Agent what you have been using? Gary Peter A Forbes wrote: > On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:19:42 -0800, you wrote: > > >>I think Mozilla has a manual. Probably not free?? >> >> >>Bob Holtzer >> >>At 01:07 PM 11/19/2004 -0600, you wrote: >> >>>I have been using Mozilla Thunderbird for email for the past week and I >>>can't find a way to add a signature, nor can I get it to check email every >>>few minutes and auI tomatically download it to my computer, and it doesn't >>>search for email on start-up and download it. >>> >>>Does anyone know where I can find the settings to get it to do this? I >>>would appreciate any help. Please reply off-list. >>> >>>Thank you, >>> >>>Gary > > > Just had a look at the programme (downloaded and installed it) it doesn't > appear to have any means of adding a sig to the outgoing email. > > Also note that the programme is a 'Technology Preview' to quote Mozilla in the > release notes that accompany the programme. > > You're better off going to something lke Agent if you want a decent > fully-featured email and news client. (www.forteinc.com) > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Fri Nov 19 14:39:45 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:39:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gasket sealing Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A702B7C4B9@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>>Lot of the gummers prefer grease . And for good reason . >>>Chuck Fitters and boilermakers often use a very stiff grease - a regular putty knife type scraper isn't stiff enough - on gaskets that get real hot. It is a major help in getting stuf apart later. Gasket primer: http://www.mgb.bc.ca/howto/gasket.html Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From edstoller at earthlink.net Fri Nov 19 14:49:00 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:49:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please References: Message-ID: <003001c4ce89$f7c2d9c0$9bf5f504@x8h7l9> Luke, You might think along the lines of what it would cost to restore the engine, ie buy a magneto and machine shop bills. In the end it is easy to have much more invested in the engine than what it is worth. Of coarse we do it any way, but it might give you some negation leverage. The seller probably has no idea of the restoration costs. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 9:06 PM Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please > Hi Everybody, > > I've been trying to buy an engine for a few years but haven't had any luck. > I stopped by to check on it after work tonight. I got lucky as the owner was > just pulling in the drive just as I was leaving. After chatting a bit I made > an offer on the engine. He thought for about 2 seconds and said probably > not. Which was better than times before as all I got before was I'm not > ready to sell it. I was led to believe he actually thought about it this > time and I feel he might sell it if I come up with the right amount of > money. But this is also the first time I offered a dollar figure. I also > offered to come back and put a bucket over top of the engine to keep it from > rotting away any more, he replied with "Certainly, any time." I'm not real > framiliar with rare engines and the price they bring. > > My question is, can someone give me an approximate value of the engine > pictured here? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/roughvertical/roughvertical.html > > What would something like this bring if it was all restored? I don't have a > clue and think I might be low in my offer, but then again I don't want to > offer more than a realistic price. Off list is Ok if you want. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Fri Nov 19 14:47:31 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:47:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Termites Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A702B7C4C3@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>>try A$560.oo for 2.5 litres of Premise 200 termite chemical spray. 2.500 litre [l] equivalent to: 0.66043 US gallon >>>Derek What am I offered for a quart of Chlordane? Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Fri Nov 19 14:57:58 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:57:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Diesel fired? Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A702B7C4CD@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>>Glad my car is diesel fired :o) >>>John Hammink Diesel here in Kansas is running THIRTY-TWO CENTS above gasoline. Regular unleaded is $1.78, diesel is $2.08. Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From jbcast at charter.net Fri Nov 19 10:33:55 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:33:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Pouring Babbitt..revisited Message-ID: <3khj62$gni8kh@mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net> > Howdy all; > Well I'm getting my first on hands experience pouring babbitt for the saw > arbor bearings on the sawrig. > > Should I leave the ends partially open so the trapped air can escape or > just dam them air tight? After a couple pours the babbitt in places doesn't > want to make it all the way to the dams. > > > Should I heat the shaft also? I'm heating the babbitt until it chars a > stick. The casting until I'm sure all the moisture is out. > > Appreciate any advise and thanks for the threads over the years!!! > You have to have an in for the babbit and an out for the air. Try to heat the shaft as well as the casting. Form a resrvoir on the pouring side to give it a head little pressure, pour it fast. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca Fri Nov 19 18:08:03 2004 From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:08:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question In-Reply-To: <419E2B72.9000304@mlode.com> Message-ID: <20041120020803.31966.qmail@web51409.mail.yahoo.com> Steve - I'm very interested in propane also. Could you give me some insight as to how you constructed the "demand valve". I would appreciate your hwlp so I could make one also. Thanks, Larry Anger, Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada. Steve Gray wrote:Hi Harry - I also recently entered the world of propane, this being on a newly completed model. At first, I tried the simple approach of just piping the gas to the mixer (two ball valves, one air, one gas), but didn't like the idea of the unchecked gas flow if the engine stalled, and the results weren't that good as far as operation. I ended up fabricating a 'demand valve' which made all the difference in the world. The thing runs so good now I hate to tear it down to paint it! The engine is a Mery like those 2 that Reg recently finished. Pictures, sound and a video are located at the top of my main web page. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Harry Terpstra wrote: >On the IHC Famous, we'll make a flange that will come between the mixer, and >the manifold. >It's about 12mm (?") thick, and we make a jet in the flange to hook up the >propane. >Works real good. We start on propane without much effort. >When cold it's isn't running that great, but as soon as it warms up (after a >couple of minutes) it runs real nice. > >We use it on a 4 or 5 engines. A few of them because on gasoline they are >dripping / leaking very much. >And our Witte headless, and the Monitor because on gasoline they get very >dirty. Mainly because they have a (pre) combustion chamber. > > >Harry Terpstra >Sint Annaparochie >Netherlands >h.terpstra at wxs.nl >http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:01 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] old engines on Propane question > > > > >>>I've been following the thread on using propane. Could >>>I ask someone to explain how this is done please? I'm >>>guessing, but maybe just a zerk into the mixer fuel >>>inlet fed by a gas regulator? Does running on gas >>>require changes to any engine settings e.g. governor >>>etc. >>> >>> >>Extremely complicated or >>It can be as simple as sticking an orifice in the venturi >>I have come across some field conversions that were >>no more that copper tube necked into the mixer . One they >>beat the tubing flat over what would appear to be a sewing needle >>inserted into the bore of the copper tube , then withdrew it leaving a >> >> >tiny > > >>hole . >>It is really easy to flood on gas , so they get started as Dave mentioned >>and switched over >> >>My big ones , thru trial and error I learn where to mark with a scribe , >> >> >set > > >>it thusly , >>and they start consistantly . >> >> >> >>Chuck >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals From alanb2 at webtv.net Fri Nov 19 18:25:44 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:25:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question In-Reply-To: Larry Anger 's message of Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:08:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <14700-419EAB28-186@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> Steve & Larry, Yes Steve, Please do tell and keep it on-list. I am also very interested. Thanks, Alan Bowen ~~~~~Larry Anger wrote~~~~~ Steve - I'm very interested in propane also. Could you give me some insight as to how you constructed the "demand valve". I would appreciate your hwlp so I could make one also. Thanks, Larry Anger, Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada. Steve Gray wrote: Hi Harry - I also recently entered the world of propane, this being on a newly completed model. At first, I tried the simple approach of just piping the gas to the mixer (two ball valves, one air, one gas), but didn't like the idea of the unchecked gas flow if the engine stalled, and the results weren't that good as far as operation. I ended up fabricating a 'demand valve' which made all the difference in the world. The thing runs so good now I hate to tear it down to paint it! The engine is a Mery like those 2 that Reg recently finished. Pictures, sound and a video are located at the top of my main web page. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Nov 19 19:22:03 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:22:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Browser Help In-Reply-To: <419E74E2.9000205@fidnet.com> References: <4.2.2.20041119131908.00bb4c80@mail.earthlink.net> <419E74E2.9000205@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <419EB85B.40105@fidnet.com> Robert, I should probably add that I bought the CD and manual rather than download it via the net. The manual seems to cover Firefox,the browser, but not Thunderbird, the email program. Now if I can find a manual for the email program... Gary Gary Epps wrote: > Yes it has a manual, no it's not free, and yee I have it. However, it > doesn't say anything about the email program, juat Mozilla Firefox the > browser. > > Gary > > Robert L. Holtzer wrote: > >> I think Mozilla has a manual. Probably not free?? >> >> >> Bob Holtzer >> >> At 01:07 PM 11/19/2004 -0600, you wrote: >> >>> I have been using Mozilla Thunderbird for email for the past week and >>> I can't find a way to add a signature, nor can I get it to check >>> email every few minutes and auI tomatically download it to my >>> computer, and it doesn't search for email on start-up and download it. >>> >>> Does anyone know where I can find the settings to get it to do this? >>> I would appreciate any help. Please reply off-list. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From f86sabre at kcweb.net Fri Nov 19 20:06:48 2004 From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (F86SABRE) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:06:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question References: <14700-419EAB28-186@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <001001c4ceb6$604aa190$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> There is a plan for building a propane demand regulator on the website of the Florida Association of Model Engineers. Just go the website, Tips and Info, and Assorted Model Engine building tips. It is the third one from the top. Dan Bousman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] old engines on Propane question > Steve & Larry, > > Yes Steve, > Please do tell and keep it on-list. > I am also very interested. > > Thanks, > Alan Bowen > > ~~~~~Larry Anger wrote~~~~~ > > Steve - I'm very interested in propane also. Could you give me some > insight as to how you constructed the "demand valve". I would appreciate > your hwlp so I could make one also. > > Thanks, Larry Anger, Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada. > > > Steve Gray wrote: > Hi Harry - > I also recently entered the world of propane, this being on a newly > completed model. At first, I tried the simple approach of just piping > the gas to the mixer (two ball valves, one air, one gas), but didn't > like the idea of the unchecked gas flow if the engine stalled, and the > results weren't that good as far as operation. I ended up fabricating a > 'demand valve' which made all the difference in the world. The thing > runs so good now I hate to tear it down to paint it! The engine is a > Mery like those 2 that Reg recently finished. Pictures, sound and a > video are located at the top of my main web page. > - Steve > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net > Williamsburg, Michigan > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Nov 19 19:57:56 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:57:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question Message-ID: <20041119.231722.912.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Steve, Nice job on the Mery. Looks great ! I know almost nothing about using LP as a fuel. I wonder if you could explain the fabrication of the "demand valve".? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rwenig at cable-lynx.net Fri Nov 19 21:09:44 2004 From: rwenig at cable-lynx.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:09:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT Browser Help In-Reply-To: <419E4466.6070804@fidnet.com> References: <419E4466.6070804@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <419ED198.8070707@cable-lynx.net> Hello Gary, Look under "Edit/mail & news groups account settings". I think you will find all the answers there. I'm using Mozella Firefox. The free download version to send this. It shoud have my signature lines at the bottom. Rupert Gary Epps wrote: > I have been using Mozilla Thunderbird for email for the past week and I > can't find a way to add a signature, nor can I get it to check email > every few minutes and automatically download it to my computer, and it > doesn't search for email on start-up and download it. > > Does anyone know where I can find the settings to get it to do this? I > would appreciate any help. Please reply off-list. > > Thank you, > > Gary > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. mailto://rwenig at cable-lynx.net http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/index.html From segray at mlode.com Fri Nov 19 23:02:52 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:02:52 -0800 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question In-Reply-To: <001001c4ceb6$604aa190$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> References: <14700-419EAB28-186@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> <001001c4ceb6$604aa190$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> Message-ID: <419EEC1C.7070704@mlode.com> Yep, that be the one. I got the plans from a different source, but it's the same thing. I made mine out of brass to go along with the rest of the plumbing on the engine. My question would be would this valve be big enough to work on a full size engine? I would guess not. As seen in the front view picture (http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/mery114net.jpg ), I use the small Coleman type propane tank run through a regulator used on propane gas grills. This steps the pressure down to about 11" of water column, which if I remember right, is just a few ounces of pressure. I then pipe that to the demand valve (not shown in this early picture) which is plumbed fairly close to the engine. From there, I changed the kit plans of using a pair of adjustable needle valves to control fuel and air flow into a mixer, to a setup more resembling the mixer valves used on the original engine. Most of the guys running oil field engines are familiar with the air and fuel valves dumping into a simple pipe Tee as a mixer. The little 5/16" miniature ball valves I use are a little tricky to set right but work fine once there. This is my first use of propane and at first, I wasn't too sold on it until I had the demand valve in the system. I can post some pictures of the valve if anyone wants a gander at it. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com F86SABRE wrote: > There is a plan for building a propane demand regulator on the website > of the Florida Association of Model Engineers. Just go the website, > Tips and Info, and Assorted Model Engine building tips. It is the > third one from the top. > Dan Bousman > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:25 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] old engines on Propane question > > >> Steve & Larry, >> >> Yes Steve, >> Please do tell and keep it on-list. >> I am also very interested. >> >> Thanks, >> Alan Bowen >> >> ~~~~~Larry Anger wrote~~~~~ >> >> Steve - I'm very interested in propane also. Could you give me some >> insight as to how you constructed the "demand valve". I would appreciate >> your hwlp so I could make one also. >> >> Thanks, Larry Anger, Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada. >> >> >> Steve Gray wrote: >> Hi Harry - >> I also recently entered the world of propane, this being on a newly >> completed model. At first, I tried the simple approach of just piping >> the gas to the mixer (two ball valves, one air, one gas), but didn't >> like the idea of the unchecked gas flow if the engine stalled, and the >> results weren't that good as far as operation. I ended up fabricating a >> 'demand valve' which made all the difference in the world. The thing >> runs so good now I hate to tear it down to paint it! The engine is a >> Mery like those 2 that Reg recently finished. Pictures, sound and a >> video are located at the top of my main web page. >> - Steve >> -- >> Steve Gray >> Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 >> Sonora, California USA >> e-mail: segray at mlode.com >> Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com >> >> Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net >> Williamsburg, Michigan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Nov 20 00:18:40 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:18:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Vertical Stover Rings In-Reply-To: <001701c4ce1f$8e81dd40$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <200411200818.iAK8Ieir081082@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Thanks to those who replied to this one. I am still not sure when, why, or if there was a point at which Stover changed from three to four rings on the verticals. The parts book I have here (effective 1926) only shows three ring pistons for both the early style and later style engines. I think I will end up putting the three ring piston I have into my YC as it is in much better condition than the original four ring one that was in it. The original piston has a badly chopped out upper ring groove. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Patrick, My Patrick, My Stover A type (2HP) sn: 5148 has 3 rings. My YB (3HP) sn: 15669, has 4 rings. This engine is from 1909. I never paid any attention to it, because the A type is a smaller engine (4" bore) so I guess that's the reason. Hope this helps. Harry Terpstra From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Nov 20 00:21:00 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:21:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Vertical Stover Rings In-Reply-To: <001301c4ce01$ea1a2e50$0301a8c0@Young1203> Message-ID: <200411200821.iAK8Kxoj082478@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Paul and Michael. The fuel saver would look just like the one on my 1917 YB. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/0902yb8.jpg There must have been a big batch sent off in 1917 as there are a lot of YCs and YBs here from that year :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Paul, My engine is 1917 and my fuel saver arm is missing. They look simple and when the time comes I will fabricate one. Michael From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Nov 20 00:19:55 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 08:19:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Browser Help In-Reply-To: <419E75B2.9020300@fidnet.com> References: <419E4466.6070804@fidnet.com> <4.2.2.20041119131908.00bb4c80@mail.earthlink.net> <9mpsp0d6smnustkshdi5qfi1jkgbiqhd62@4ax.com> <419E75B2.9020300@fidnet.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:37:38 -0600, you wrote: >Thanks Peter, I'll give it a look-see. I don't recall, is Agent what >you have been using? > >Gary Yup, we have been using it for 6 years or so, went over to it from Internet Exploder 4.01 and Netscape (before AOL got their hooks into them) There is a free version and a paid-for version. We use the paid-for version as it has more features and we can run more than one instance on the PC at the same time for different email addresses. They are past V2.0 now, but we stayed with V1.93 which has a layout/look that I prefer. We have got V2.0 but it is not used. One reason for not moving between different email clients too often is the archives that we keep of previous year's emails. We have back to 2001 on this PC and earlier years on HDD's from older machines. I should point out that Agent is only for email and newsgroups, we use Opera as an internet browser. Tried Firefox a few weeks ago but was very disappointed with it so stayed with Opera. We have IE on the PC for the occasional website which won't run on Opera. Opera is now up to V7.54, http://www.opera.com if you want to try the evaluation version. Peter From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Nov 20 06:31:03 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 07:31:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Pouring Babbitt..revisited References: <3khj62$gni8kh@mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the info JB. The book I have doesn't mention heating up the shaft so will try that next pour. The second pour on the cap went better except for a void about half the size of a jelly bean but at least it made it all the way to the ends. Pouring is no problem as this bearing cap already has a large oil reservoir. I'm sure you know the type. IR thermometer shows 143 on the pulley bearing and 120 on the blade bearing. Will cheat and get out the Plastigauge now. Probably strive for ~.005 on an 1 1/2 inch shaft. Catcha later and thanks again! Rick PS: Ya'll might be careful when tighting bearing caps with ears.!!! I already broke the bolt ear off one cap at 60 ft. lbs. Lucky I had another one. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Pouring Babbitt..revisited > > > Howdy all; > > Well I'm getting my first on hands experience pouring babbitt for the > > saw > > arbor bearings on the sawrig. > > > > Should I leave the ends partially open so the trapped air can escape > > or > > just dam them air tight? After a couple pours the babbitt in places > > doesn't > > want to make it all the way to the dams. > > > > > > Should I heat the shaft also? I'm heating the babbitt until it chars > > a > > stick. The casting until I'm sure all the moisture is out. > > > > Appreciate any advise and thanks for the threads over the years!!! > > > You have to have an in for the babbit and an out for the air. Try to heat > the shaft as well as the casting. Form a resrvoir on the pouring side to > give it a head little pressure, pour it fast. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jhcullom at adelphia.net Sat Nov 20 06:39:10 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:39:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pouring Babbitt..revisited References: <3khj62$gni8kh@mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <005001c4cf0e$b2e30250$6401a8c0@office> Rick, I have a file on the "Magnolia Metal Bearing Book" in PDF form I can email to you if you don't have it. It covers babbit bearings pretty good. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" >> > Well I'm getting my first on hands experience pouring babbitt for the >> > saw >> > arbor bearings on the sawrig. From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Fri Nov 19 11:31:01 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:31:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question References: <20041117113115.41034.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> <009f01c4ccf9$711c0040$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <005a01c4cda6$c610ee00$3775833e@harryp1811> <419E2B72.9000304@mlode.com> Message-ID: <00c101c4ce6e$4dc58050$3775833e@harryp1811> Hi Steve, Very nice job!!! I also like the way you hide the propane tank. I think in the US you have different gas regulators than we have here. I'll make a picture of our type tomorrow, and I can send it to you (or maybe to the SEL?) I also see that you have a Blackstone vertical. We have one, but it's just a little diffrent than yours. Ours is a parafine engine. You can see pictures of it here: http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/blackstone.htm I guess yours is gasoline only? You did a GREAT job!! Oh could you pass on the address that suplied you the information? TTYL, Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] old engines on Propane question > Hi Harry - > > I also recently entered the world of propane, this being on a newly > completed model. At first, I tried the simple approach of just piping > the gas to the mixer (two ball valves, one air, one gas), but didn't > like the idea of the unchecked gas flow if the engine stalled, and the > results weren't that good as far as operation. I ended up fabricating > a 'demand valve' which made all the difference in the world. The thing > runs so good now I hate to tear it down to paint it! The engine is a > Mery like those 2 that Reg recently finished. Pictures, sound and a > video are located at the top of my main web page. > > - Steve > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Sat Nov 20 07:56:53 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:56:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: <00fe01c474f3$154c1880$6401a8c0@john> Message-ID: Hi John, Do you have any idea what rotary mag Galloway put on their engines? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================== >From: "John Cullom" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:34:45 -0400 > >Hi Luke, > Great story! You're right about the date on the Galloway, as far as I >can >figure it. Too bad it didn't come with the rotary mag. Here are a couple >pics of another type of mag bracket similar to yours. I believe the same >mag >fit both bracket styles, but I'm not 100% sure. If someone else knows, let >me know. I've been looking in my Galloway literature but can't find any >pics >of the brackets. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/magbracketA.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/magbracketB.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/rotarymag.jpg > >John > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Sat Nov 20 08:06:59 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:06:59 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please In-Reply-To: <002b01c4ce21$0203c2a0$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: Thanks Harry. I hope I can get it too! I'd like to think I'm getting closer. He was looking to buy a Rumely and cannot locate the guy that had it, as he moved away. I think I can track him down and this might help to move things in my favor in purchasing the engine. Time will tell. It does need alot of work, but it will be worth it if I can get it home in the garage. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========================= >From: Harry Terpstra >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please >Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:17:43 +0100 > >Wow Luke!! >You did find something REAL nice!!!! >Actually I have no idea what is it, but it's obvious it very old, and a >real >odball!! >Look at the shape of that "A" frame base! I'm hooked;-) > >I have no idea what the valeu might be, and I geuss it's hard to put a >price >on something that is so rare. >It certaintly needs allot of TLC, but I'm sure it's worth it. > >Maybe you better don't go to him and raise your offer, because he might >think it's real valueable. >(But I know it's difficult;-) > >I hope you can get this one Luke!! >Good luck! > >Harry Terpstra >Sint Annaparochie >Netherlands >h.terpstra at wxs.nl >http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Luke Tonneberger" >To: >Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 3:06 AM >Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please > > > > Hi Everybody, > > > > I've been trying to buy an engine for a few years but haven't had any >luck. > > I stopped by to check on it after work tonight. I got lucky as the owner >was > > just pulling in the drive just as I was leaving. After chatting a bit I >made > > an offer on the engine. He thought for about 2 seconds and said probably > > not. Which was better than times before as all I got before was I'm not > > ready to sell it. I was led to believe he actually thought about it this > > time and I feel he might sell it if I come up with the right amount of > > money. But this is also the first time I offered a dollar figure. I also > > offered to come back and put a bucket over top of the engine to keep it >from > > rotting away any more, he replied with "Certainly, any time." I'm not >real > > framiliar with rare engines and the price they bring. > > > > My question is, can someone give me an approximate value of the engine > > pictured here? > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/roughvertical/roughvertical.html > > > > What would something like this bring if it was all restored? I don't >have >a > > clue and think I might be low in my offer, but then again I don't want >to > > offer more than a realistic price. Off list is Ok if you want. > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Sat Nov 20 08:15:20 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:15:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please In-Reply-To: <003001c4ce89$f7c2d9c0$9bf5f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: Hi Ed, I don't think the seller knows what it would cost to restore it either. From the looks of his place he's not much of a restorer, more of a horder. Lots of tractors is various states of disrepair along with lots of other junk. I'm not sure if he's ever fixed anything up. To each his own. I think it will cost quite a bit to bring this engine back to life. But time and patience would help. First I need to get it home in the garage first. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: "ED" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please >Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:49:00 -0500 > >Luke, > >You might think along the lines of what it would cost to restore the >engine, >ie buy a magneto and machine shop bills. In the end it is easy to have much >more invested in the engine than what it is worth. Of coarse we do it any >way, but it might give you some negation leverage. The seller probably has >no idea of the restoration costs. > >Ed Stoller >New Fairfield, CT > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Luke Tonneberger" >To: >Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 9:06 PM >Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please > > > > Hi Everybody, > > > > I've been trying to buy an engine for a few years but haven't had any >luck. > > I stopped by to check on it after work tonight. I got lucky as the owner >was > > just pulling in the drive just as I was leaving. After chatting a bit I >made > > an offer on the engine. He thought for about 2 seconds and said probably > > not. Which was better than times before as all I got before was I'm not > > ready to sell it. I was led to believe he actually thought about it this > > time and I feel he might sell it if I come up with the right amount of > > money. But this is also the first time I offered a dollar figure. I also > > offered to come back and put a bucket over top of the engine to keep it >from > > rotting away any more, he replied with "Certainly, any time." I'm not >real > > framiliar with rare engines and the price they bring. > > > > My question is, can someone give me an approximate value of the engine > > pictured here? > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/roughvertical/roughvertical.html > > > > What would something like this bring if it was all restored? I don't >have >a > > clue and think I might be low in my offer, but then again I don't want >to > > offer more than a realistic price. Off list is Ok if you want. > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sat Nov 20 08:50:22 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:50:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please References: Message-ID: <008801c4cf21$06d96f40$3775833e@harryp1811> Find this guy Luke!! Keep us informed if you get this OLD oddball! Good luck!! Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please > Thanks Harry. I hope I can get it too! I'd like to think I'm getting closer. > He was looking to buy a Rumely and cannot locate the guy that had it, as he > moved away. I think I can track him down and this might help to move things > in my favor in purchasing the engine. Time will tell. It does need alot of > work, but it will be worth it if I can get it home in the garage. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ========================= > > >From: Harry Terpstra > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please > >Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:17:43 +0100 > > > >Wow Luke!! > >You did find something REAL nice!!!! > >Actually I have no idea what is it, but it's obvious it very old, and a > >real > >odball!! > >Look at the shape of that "A" frame base! I'm hooked;-) > > > >I have no idea what the valeu might be, and I geuss it's hard to put a > >price > >on something that is so rare. > >It certaintly needs allot of TLC, but I'm sure it's worth it. > > > >Maybe you better don't go to him and raise your offer, because he might > >think it's real valueable. > >(But I know it's difficult;-) > > > >I hope you can get this one Luke!! > >Good luck! > > > >Harry Terpstra > >Sint Annaparochie > >Netherlands > >h.terpstra at wxs.nl > >http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Luke Tonneberger" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 3:06 AM > >Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please > > > > > > > Hi Everybody, > > > > > > I've been trying to buy an engine for a few years but haven't had any > >luck. > > > I stopped by to check on it after work tonight. I got lucky as the owner > >was > > > just pulling in the drive just as I was leaving. After chatting a bit I > >made > > > an offer on the engine. He thought for about 2 seconds and said probably > > > not. Which was better than times before as all I got before was I'm not > > > ready to sell it. I was led to believe he actually thought about it this > > > time and I feel he might sell it if I come up with the right amount of > > > money. But this is also the first time I offered a dollar figure. I also > > > offered to come back and put a bucket over top of the engine to keep it > >from > > > rotting away any more, he replied with "Certainly, any time." I'm not > >real > > > framiliar with rare engines and the price they bring. > > > > > > My question is, can someone give me an approximate value of the engine > > > pictured here? > > > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/roughvertical/roughvertical.html > > > > > > What would something like this bring if it was all restored? I don't > >have > >a > > > clue and think I might be low in my offer, but then again I don't want > >to > > > offer more than a realistic price. Off list is Ok if you want. > > > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > > Rockford, Michigan > > > USA > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rholtzer at earthlink.net Sat Nov 20 10:33:00 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:33:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Browser Help In-Reply-To: <419EB85B.40105@fidnet.com> References: <419E74E2.9000205@fidnet.com> <4.2.2.20041119131908.00bb4c80@mail.earthlink.net> <419E74E2.9000205@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20041120103247.00c36a58@mail.earthlink.net> Let us know if you do! Bob H At 09:22 PM 11/19/2004 -0600, you wrote: >Robert, I should probably add that I bought the CD and manual rather than >download it via the net. The manual seems to cover Firefox,the browser, >but not Thunderbird, the email program. Now if I can find a manual for >the email program... > >Gary > >Gary Epps wrote: >> Yes it has a manual, no it's not free, and yee I have it. However, it >> doesn't say anything about the email program, juat Mozilla Firefox the browser. >>Gary >>Robert L. Holtzer wrote: >> >>>I think Mozilla has a manual. Probably not free?? >>> >>> >>>Bob Holtzer >>> >>>At 01:07 PM 11/19/2004 -0600, you wrote: >>> >>>>I have been using Mozilla Thunderbird for email for the past week and I >>>>can't find a way to add a signature, nor can I get it to check email >>>>every few minutes and auI tomatically download it to my computer, and >>>>it doesn't search for email on start-up and download it. >>>> >>>>Does anyone know where I can find the settings to get it to do this? >>>>I would appreciate any help. Please reply off-list. >>>> >>>>Thank you, >>>> >>>>Gary >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>SEL mailing list >>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From segray at mlode.com Sat Nov 20 21:48:35 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:48:35 -0800 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question In-Reply-To: <00c101c4ce6e$4dc58050$3775833e@harryp1811> References: <20041117113115.41034.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> <009f01c4ccf9$711c0040$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <005a01c4cda6$c610ee00$3775833e@harryp1811> <419E2B72.9000304@mlode.com> <00c101c4ce6e$4dc58050$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <41A02C33.8020702@mlode.com> Hi Harry - My ignition parts and (indirectly) the plans for the demand valve came from a gent in Colorado. I'm fairly sure he's the one that supplied the valve info, since I actually got the plans from a fellow model builder here in this area. The address I have is: Model Project Plans & Kits Jerry E. Howell 3980 Becket Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80906 The blue prints for the valve were originally conceived and drawn by: Richard Williams 39459 Crawfordsville Drive Sweet Home, OR 97386 I have no idea if this guy is still at this address. I just put up 3 pictures of the valve I made at: http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/valve1.jpg http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/valve2.jpg http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/valve3.jpg The four 6-32 screws will eventually be steel 6-32 miniature bolts. The Blackstone is a 3 1/2 HP gasoline only. Sure runs good! Thanks for the compliments. TTYL - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Harry Terpstra wrote: >Hi Steve, > >Very nice job!!! >I also like the way you hide the propane tank. >I think in the US you have different gas regulators than we have here. >I'll make a picture of our type tomorrow, and I can send it to you (or maybe >to the SEL?) > >I also see that you have a Blackstone vertical. >We have one, but it's just a little diffrent than yours. Ours is a parafine >engine. You can see pictures of it here: >http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/blackstone.htm >I guess yours is gasoline only? You did a GREAT job!! >Oh could you pass on the address that suplied you the information? > >TTYL, > >Harry Terpstra >Sint Annaparochie >Netherlands >h.terpstra at wxs.nl >http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > From edstoller at earthlink.net Sat Nov 20 15:08:13 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:08:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question References: <14700-419EAB28-186@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> <001001c4ceb6$604aa190$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> Message-ID: <004301c4cf55$d18a7b60$28f5f504@x8h7l9> I have an internet friend that has a Kohler 800 generator with a Briggs and Stratton Model B engine which is set up to run on natural gas. The engine is 2 or 3 HP so the set up might be more what is ended for a real engine. I can send a picture off list if interested. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "F86SABRE" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] old engines on Propane question > There is a plan for building a propane demand regulator on the website of > the Florida Association of Model Engineers. Just go the website, Tips and > Info, and Assorted Model Engine building tips. It is the third one from the > top. > Dan Bousman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Bowen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:25 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] old engines on Propane question > > > > Steve & Larry, > > > > Yes Steve, > > Please do tell and keep it on-list. > > I am also very interested. > > > > Thanks, > > Alan Bowen > > > > ~~~~~Larry Anger wrote~~~~~ > > > > Steve - I'm very interested in propane also. Could you give me some > > insight as to how you constructed the "demand valve". I would appreciate > > your hwlp so I could make one also. > > > > Thanks, Larry Anger, Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada. > > > > > > Steve Gray wrote: > > Hi Harry - > > I also recently entered the world of propane, this being on a newly > > completed model. At first, I tried the simple approach of just piping > > the gas to the mixer (two ball valves, one air, one gas), but didn't > > like the idea of the unchecked gas flow if the engine stalled, and the > > results weren't that good as far as operation. I ended up fabricating a > > 'demand valve' which made all the difference in the world. The thing > > runs so good now I hate to tear it down to paint it! The engine is a > > Mery like those 2 that Reg recently finished. Pictures, sound and a > > video are located at the top of my main web page. > > - Steve > > -- > > Steve Gray > > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 > > Sonora, California USA > > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > > > Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net > > Williamsburg, Michigan > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sat Nov 20 10:17:24 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:17:24 +0100 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question References: <20041117113115.41034.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com><009f01c4ccf9$711c0040$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net><005a01c4cda6$c610ee00$3775833e@harryp1811> <419E2B72.9000304@mlode.com> <00c101c4ce6e$4dc58050$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <002c01c4cf2d$3123bc40$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Harry, Steve and all, You may save yourself the trouble, I got a nice picture of our well known propane gas regulaters in stock. It can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/regulater.jpg The RED regulater is for the pressure and the BLUE one is for demand or as we say here "sucking valve". When starting the engine you push the brass botton on the BLUE one and the gas flows to the engine, the engine starts to run and every inlet stroke an amount of gas flows to the inlet side. When the engine stops the valve closes and there's no further harm. These regulaters are very scarce at the moment here cause more and more engine man switch over to use gas for their engines. Originally all those regulaters come from the UK, they were used on the Listers, Wolseleys etc. and mostly for milking units. Ps. Visited Harry and his Dad Lieuwe this afternoon and had a great time playing with their new 2 hp vert. air cooled Famous and running on propane of course. Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Hi Steve, > > Very nice job!!! > I also like the way you hide the propane tank. > I think in the US you have different gas regulators than we have here. > I'll make a picture of our type tomorrow, and I can send it to you (or maybe > to the SEL?) > > I also see that you have a Blackstone vertical. > We have one, but it's just a little diffrent than yours. Ours is a parafine > engine. You can see pictures of it here: > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/blackstone.htm > I guess yours is gasoline only? You did a GREAT job!! > Oh could you pass on the address that suplied you the information? > > TTYL, > > Harry Terpstra From brock at netspeed.com.au Sun Nov 21 04:07:18 2004 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:07:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please References: Message-ID: <006901c4cfc2$a7e27de0$5f11fea9@merlin> G,day Luke a mate of mine has always said the value depends on how bad you want the engine hope this helps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 1:06 PM Subject: [SEL] Help With Rare Engine Price Please > Hi Everybody, > > I've been trying to buy an engine for a few years but haven't had any > luck. I stopped by to check on it after work tonight. I got lucky as the > owner was just pulling in the drive just as I was leaving. After chatting > a bit I made an offer on the engine. He thought for about 2 seconds and > said probably not. Which was better than times before as all I got before > was I'm not ready to sell it. I was led to believe he actually thought > about it this time and I feel he might sell it if I come up with the right > amount of money. But this is also the first time I offered a dollar > figure. I also offered to come back and put a bucket over top of the > engine to keep it from rotting away any more, he replied with "Certainly, > any time." I'm not real framiliar with rare engines and the price they > bring. > > My question is, can someone give me an approximate value of the engine > pictured here? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/roughvertical/roughvertical.html > > What would something like this bring if it was all restored? I don't have > a clue and think I might be low in my offer, but then again I don't want > to offer more than a realistic price. Off list is Ok if you want. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Nov 21 05:29:25 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:29:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Joe Maurer in hospital Message-ID: <112120041329.26504.dbf@mchsi.com> Thought I might pass on that my good friend Joe Maurer was taken to the hospital after having severe chest pains on friday. They ran all kinds of tests at the local hospital in Freeport then determined couldn't help him so they medivaced him to a Truma Center in Rockford where they finally found that he had a severly torn Arota wall and after 4hrs of surgery the reconstructed the wall saving his life. Spoke with his family yesterday and he is now off the respirator and being transfered to room sometime today. Will post any updates as I get them. Curt Andree From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Nov 21 05:41:22 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:41:22 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Joe Maurer in hospital In-Reply-To: <112120041329.26504.dbf@mchsi.com> References: <112120041329.26504.dbf@mchsi.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:29:25 +0000, you wrote: >Thought I might pass on that my good friend Joe Maurer was taken to the >hospital after having severe chest pains on friday. They ran all kinds of >tests at the local hospital in Freeport then determined couldn't help him so >they medivaced him to a Truma Center in Rockford where they finally found that >he had a severly torn Arota wall and after 4hrs of surgery the reconstructed >the wall saving his life. Spoke with his family yesterday and he is now off >the respirator and being transfered to room sometime today. Will post any >updates as I get them. >Curt Andree Send him our best wishes for a full recovery please, Curt. Peter From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Nov 21 06:31:23 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:31:23 EST Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question Message-ID: <1c0.20e3eb05.2ed200bb@aol.com> In a message dated 11/20/2004 2:05:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, segray at mlode.com writes: << (http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/mery114net.jpg ) >> Steve, A beautiful engine! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Nov 19 06:35:02 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:35:02 -0000 Subject: [SEL] OT but it could happen to a large engine. Message-ID: <000501c4ce44$f5d3e860$8c9f0952@no1> http://monkeyup.my-bulldog.com/pages/monkeyup_my-bulldog_com/Ooops.html Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Sun Nov 21 08:12:20 2004 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 08:12:20 -0800 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question In-Reply-To: <41A02C33.8020702@mlode.com> Message-ID: <000601c4cfe4$e1728b50$28dfd2d8@ownert3gdbbaf7> Greetings Harry, The address below for Richard is still a good one. His phone # 541-367-4902 or you can send him an e-mail at pattyw at proaxis.com Wayne A Thackery -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Steve Gray Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:49 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] old engines on Propane question Hi Harry - My ignition parts and (indirectly) the plans for the demand valve came from a gent in Colorado. I'm fairly sure he's the one that supplied the valve info, since I actually got the plans from a fellow model builder here in this area. The address I have is: Model Project Plans & Kits Jerry E. Howell 3980 Becket Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80906 The blue prints for the valve were originally conceived and drawn by: Richard Williams 39459 Crawfordsville Drive Sweet Home, OR 97386 I have no idea if this guy is still at this address. I just put up 3 pictures of the valve I made at: http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/valve1.jpg http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/valve2.jpg http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/valve3.jpg The four 6-32 screws will eventually be steel 6-32 miniature bolts. The Blackstone is a 3 1/2 HP gasoline only. Sure runs good! Thanks for the compliments. TTYL - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Harry Terpstra wrote: >Hi Steve, > >Very nice job!!! >I also like the way you hide the propane tank. >I think in the US you have different gas regulators than we have here. >I'll make a picture of our type tomorrow, and I can send it to you (or maybe >to the SEL?) > >I also see that you have a Blackstone vertical. >We have one, but it's just a little diffrent than yours. Ours is a parafine >engine. You can see pictures of it here: >http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/blackstone.htm >I guess yours is gasoline only? You did a GREAT job!! >Oh could you pass on the address that suplied you the information? > >TTYL, > >Harry Terpstra >Sint Annaparochie >Netherlands >h.terpstra at wxs.nl >http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Nov 21 08:29:08 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:29:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net> Does anyone have the "inside scoop" on the problems at the November 7th Tri-State membership meeting vis-a-vis Ken Doherty? Dave From glenn.karch at gte.net Sun Nov 21 11:13:19 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:13:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000001c4cffe$9166e920$7129ea41@oemcomputer> Dave, I got a call from Ken Doherty inviting me to come to the meeting, but I had other commitments for that day. When I quizzed him, he just said it was going to be an interesting meeting. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 10:29 AM Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? > Does anyone have the "inside scoop" on the problems at the November 7th > Tri-State membership meeting vis-a-vis Ken Doherty? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Sun Nov 21 11:36:04 2004 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:36:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question In-Reply-To: <000601c4cfe4$e1728b50$28dfd2d8@ownert3gdbbaf7> Message-ID: <20041121193604.21734.qmail@web25009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi One and All And Jerry Howells' web site is: http://www.jerry-howell.com/ He is a very well respected model engineer. Regards Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea --- Wayne Thackery wrote: > > Greetings Harry, > > The address below for Richard is still a good one. His phone # 541-367-4902 > or you can send him an e-mail at pattyw at proaxis.com > > Wayne A Thackery > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Steve Gray > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:49 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] old engines on Propane question > > > Hi Harry - > > My ignition parts and (indirectly) the plans for the demand valve came > from a gent in Colorado. I'm fairly sure he's the one that supplied the > valve info, since I actually got the plans from a fellow model builder > here in this area. The address I have is: > > Model Project Plans & Kits > Jerry E. Howell > 3980 Becket Drive > Colorado Springs, CO 80906 > > The blue prints for the valve were originally conceived and drawn by: > > Richard Williams > 39459 Crawfordsville Drive > Sweet Home, OR 97386 > > I have no idea if this guy is still at this address. I just put up 3 > pictures of the valve I made at: > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/valve1.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/valve2.jpg > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/valve3.jpg > > The four 6-32 screws will eventually be steel 6-32 miniature bolts. > > The Blackstone is a 3 1/2 HP gasoline only. Sure runs good! Thanks for > the compliments. > > TTYL > > - Steve > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > > > Harry Terpstra wrote: > > >Hi Steve, > > > >Very nice job!!! > >I also like the way you hide the propane tank. > >I think in the US you have different gas regulators than we have here. > >I'll make a picture of our type tomorrow, and I can send it to you (or > maybe > >to the SEL?) > > > >I also see that you have a Blackstone vertical. > >We have one, but it's just a little diffrent than yours. Ours is a parafine > >engine. You can see pictures of it here: > >http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/blackstone.htm > >I guess yours is gasoline only? You did a GREAT job!! > >Oh could you pass on the address that suplied you the information? > > > >TTYL, > > > >Harry Terpstra > >Sint Annaparochie > >Netherlands > >h.terpstra at wxs.nl > >http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ___________________________________________________________ Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Sun Nov 21 12:54:58 2004 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:54:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rice & Sargent steam engine progress Message-ID: <000d01c4d00c$5d34e8b0$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> Hi All! Those of you that have been on here for four or five years may remember the rescue of a 450 H.P. Rice & Sargent Corliss steam engine from the basement of the now demolished L.C.Smith and Brothers Typewriter Company. Inspired by the SEL group, and the Tod Engine Project, we were successful in moving the engine to a new home, building a museum around it, and obtaining a small boiler to roll it over with. We are getting closer to opening the museum, but a few critical items are holding us up. We need to bore the engine, as there was some scoring, so I have made up a rig for that, there is a little lubrication piping to be done, but the big item is piping up the boiler to the engine. We restored a steam pump for another museum and received a nice donation for our efforts, and we are buying the 4" stop and check valve for the top of the boiler as well as some 6" schedule 80 pipe to serve as a header. The valve turned out to be about a $1200.00 item, so we shopped for a used valve and managed to find a rebuilt valve for $800.00. The problem is, that valve weighs 250 lbs. and is in Lynwood, California. I think I can safely assume freight will eat up the difference, as we are in Camillus, N.Y., just west of Syracuse. So, we are asking for a little advice.... should we: 1)Try to find a rebuilder closer to home? I've been searching for a while, but I don't know everyone, so if you know of a valve rebuilder that may have a y-pattern 4" stop & check globe valve such as a Crane 28E, let us know. Or... 2)Give up the $400.00 savings ( a lot of money, to us anyways!) and buy a new one locally? Or... 3)Try to arrange a ride (or rides) for it from Lynwood, CA to points east until we get it home? I'm a little hesitant about asking since it's not a gas engine and is heavy, too much for one guy without equipment to handle alone, but I have seen this list accomplish wondrous feats when it comes to helping old iron migrate to a new home. What do you think, is this a project worthy of SEL help, or too far OT? If you do think a ride can be arranged, what is the proper way to go about it? I'd appreciate your views, and thanks for taking the time in advance! You can see what's been done so far at: http://www.eriecanalcamillus.com Just click on "Steam Engine". Best Regards; Jim Mackessy Camillus Canal Park Steam Museum Camillus, New York, USA From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Nov 21 12:45:52 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:45:52 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Rice & Sargent steam engine progress In-Reply-To: <000d01c4d00c$5d34e8b0$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> References: <000d01c4d00c$5d34e8b0$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:54:58 -0500, you wrote: >Hi All! > Those of you that have been on here for four or five years may remember >the >rescue of a 450 H.P. Rice & Sargent Corliss steam engine from the basement >of >the now demolished L.C.Smith and Brothers Typewriter Company. Inspired by >the SEL group, and the Tod Engine Project, we were successful in moving the >engine to a new home, building a museum around it, and obtaining a small >boiler >to roll it over with. We are getting closer to opening the museum, but a few >critical >items are holding us up. We need to bore the engine, as there was some >scoring, >so I have made up a rig for that, there is a little lubrication piping to be >done, but >the big item is piping up the boiler to the engine. We restored a steam pump >for >another museum and received a nice donation for our efforts, and we are >buying >the 4" stop and check valve for the top of the boiler as well as some 6" >schedule >80 pipe to serve as a header. The valve turned out to be about a $1200.00 >item, >so we shopped for a used valve and managed to find a rebuilt valve for >$800.00. >The problem is, that valve weighs 250 lbs. and is in Lynwood, California. I >think >I can safely assume freight will eat up the difference, as we are in >Camillus, N.Y., >just west of Syracuse. So, we are asking for a little advice.... should we: >1)Try to find a rebuilder closer to home? I've been searching for a while, >but I don't > know everyone, so if you know of a valve rebuilder that may have a >y-pattern > 4" stop & check globe valve such as a Crane 28E, let us know. Or... >2)Give up the $400.00 savings ( a lot of money, to us anyways!) and buy a >new > one locally? Or... >3)Try to arrange a ride (or rides) for it from Lynwood, CA to points east >until > we get it home? > I'm a little hesitant about asking since it's not a gas engine and is >heavy, too >much for one guy without equipment to handle alone, but I have seen this >list >accomplish wondrous feats when it comes to helping old iron migrate to a new >home. What do you think, is this a project worthy of SEL help, or too far >OT? >If you do think a ride can be arranged, what is the proper way to go about >it? >I'd appreciate your views, and thanks for taking the time in advance! > You can see what's been done so far at: >http://www.eriecanalcamillus.com >Just click on "Steam Engine". >Best Regards; >Jim Mackessy Jim: It's been done before, both in the USA and in the UK and Australia. It may take a while to organise but engines and other things have travelled the length and breadth of the countries on the 'engine old-boy' network. I am sure that help will be forthcoming eventually, pity we cannot offer any immediate help from over here, but all the best in your endeavours! Peter From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Nov 21 15:38:02 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:38:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <41A126DA.6000800@scrtc.com> Dave, I had heard some rumblings about the Tri State meeting but haven't heard what happened or what the real issues were (probably $$$$ related in some way). I've been a member of the Tri State Club off and on for 30 years and am concerned about its future leadership and direction. If you or anyone knows what happened, please let us know. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Dave Rotigel wrote: > Does anyone have the "inside scoop" on the problems at the November > 7th Tri-State membership meeting vis-a-vis Ken Doherty? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From lfevans at pacbell.net Sun Nov 21 16:43:43 2004 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 16:43:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Battery source Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20041121164216.022d9708@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Hi..... Harbor Freight has a 500,000 candle power cordless spotlight on sale in their retail stores (at least here in California) that has an easily removable 6 volt lead acid battery. There is a built in charger in the body of the flashlight with both 110 vac and 12 vdc adapters. The battery seems to work just fine on low tension ignitions but haven't tried it yet on a high tension system. At a cost of $7.99 it seems like a pretty good deal for a battery and charger that you can incidentally use as a spotlight between engine shows. Unlike many of these hand held lights it has a screw off back for access to the battery. The battery is about 2 x 2.5 x 4 inches. Their item number is 43972 and the catalog my brother has claims the price is good to 12-6-04. I have no connection with Harbor Freight but thought this might be of use to someone. A couple of pictures at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/battery/ Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From Todengine at aol.com Sun Nov 21 16:52:22 2004 From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:52:22 EST Subject: [SEL] Rice & Sargent steam engine progress Message-ID: <149.39020a7e.2ed29246@aol.com> Hey Jim I was wondering how things were going with that "little" engine you have up there! :-)) From the pictures she sure is a beauty! If someone can get that valve as far as Ohio I'll volunteer to take it on its last leg of the journey to deliver to your doorstep! Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH www.todengine.org From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Nov 21 16:53:54 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:53:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Battery source In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20041121164216.022d9708@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20041121164216.022d9708@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121195004.025979a8@mail.alltel.net> At 07:43 PM 11/21/2004, you wrote: >Hi..... >Harbor Freight has a 500,000 candle power cordless spotlight on sale in >their retail stores (at least here in California) that has an easily >removable 6 volt lead acid battery. There is a built in charger in the >body of the flashlight with both 110 vac and 12 vdc adapters. The battery >seems to work just fine on low tension ignitions but haven't tried it yet >on a high tension system. At a cost of $7.99 it seems like a pretty good >deal for a battery and charger that you can incidentally use as a >spotlight between engine shows. Unlike many of these hand held lights it >has a screw off back for access to the battery. The battery is about 2 x >2.5 x 4 inches. Their item number is 43972 and the catalog my brother has >claims the price is good to 12-6-04. >I have no connection with Harbor Freight but thought this might be of use >to someone. >A couple of pictures at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/battery/ >Larry Evans Hi Larry, It's $11.99 at: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?function=Search Still not a bad buy at all! Dave From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com Sun Nov 21 17:20:29 2004 From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:20:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present References: Message-ID: <002101c4d031$752d6260$f3c77040@user> Luke, don't know if you found what you are looking for but I have a 5 or 6 hp Galloway with the mag, and gear guard on it. Brkt # 00 02, I think, as it was through a mirror and buried. Can get you a picture if you want. Paul Russell Riga, Michigan hit_n_miss at tc3net.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present Hi John, Do you have any idea what rotary mag Galloway put on their engines? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================== >From: "John Cullom" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:34:45 -0400 > >Hi Luke, > Great story! You're right about the date on the Galloway, as far as I >can >figure it. Too bad it didn't come with the rotary mag. Here are a couple >pics of another type of mag bracket similar to yours. I believe the same >mag >fit both bracket styles, but I'm not 100% sure. If someone else knows, let >me know. I've been looking in my Galloway literature but can't find any >pics >of the brackets. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/magbracketA.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/magbracketB.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/rotarymag.jpg > >John > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BillMil357 at aol.com Sun Nov 21 17:29:44 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:29:44 EST Subject: [SEL] Battery source Message-ID: <1ac.2c064411.2ed29b08@aol.com> Larry I found my Harbor Freight sales bulletin, and the 43972 rechargeable light is on sale in our local store here in Memphis until 12-06-04 like you said for $7.99. Does anyone know what volt the battery is? See ya, Bill Miller. From lfevans at pacbell.net Sun Nov 21 18:10:36 2004 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:10:36 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Battery source In-Reply-To: <1ac.2c064411.2ed29b08@aol.com> References: <1ac.2c064411.2ed29b08@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20041121180159.02383448@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Bill... Thanks for the information that it probably is a nation wide price. I just measured the voltage of one at 6.5 fully charged so I guess my initial mention of 6 volts was close enough. At 05:29 PM 11/21/2004, you wrote: >Larry > >I found my Harbor Freight sales bulletin, and the 43972 rechargeable light is >on sale in our local store here in Memphis until 12-06-04 like you said for >$7.99. Does anyone know what volt the battery is? > >See ya, > >Bill Miller. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From BillMil357 at aol.com Sun Nov 21 18:48:30 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:48:30 EST Subject: [SEL] Battery source Message-ID: <1f1.2f101726.2ed2ad7e@aol.com> Hey Larry I am confused you say it tests out to be 6 volts but in the following link it is shown to be 12 Volt, check this link out, http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?function=Search See ya Bill Miller. From BillMil357 at aol.com Sun Nov 21 18:55:55 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:55:55 EST Subject: [SEL] Battery source Message-ID: <145.394d6a3b.2ed2af3b@aol.com> Hey Larry; The Link I gave you came up that it was an invalid part number so go ahead and bring that link up and you will see on the left a place to search part by part # so type in the part # 43972 and click go and the light should come up. See ya, Bill Miller. From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Nov 21 18:47:21 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:47:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Battery source Message-ID: <20041121.220123.1128.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Larry. Sounds good - - - Could use it on Buzz Coil ignition. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Nov 21 19:14:30 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:14:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? In-Reply-To: <41A126DA.6000800@scrtc.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net> <41A126DA.6000800@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121220331.12f331f0@mail.alltel.net> >Dave, > I had heard some rumblings about the Tri State meeting but haven't > heard what happened or what the real issues were (probably $$$$ related > in some way). I've been a member of the Tri State Club off and on for 30 > years and am concerned about its future leadership and direction. If you > or anyone knows what happened, please let us know. >Tommy Turner Hi Tommy I have only 2nd hand knowledge (that's been provided to me off List) and thus I don't feel at liberty to say too much. Portland will survive, and if it's cut back by 20% (or so) it will still be the greatest engine show on the face of this earth! Dave PS, Al Confer was elected as President. From lfevans at pacbell.net Sun Nov 21 19:15:07 2004 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:15:07 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Battery source In-Reply-To: <1f1.2f101726.2ed2ad7e@aol.com> References: <1f1.2f101726.2ed2ad7e@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20041121190406.02375b48@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Bill........... I'm sure that what they mean is that it is rechargeable from a 12 volt source. The AC adapter that comes with it puts out 12 volts and of course the cigarette lighter plug in adapter puts out 12 volts but I am sure the built in battery charger has a voltage regulator as part of the circuitry. The built in charger is even sophisticated enough to shut off when full charge is reached and turn off the indicator light which is more than an older one I have does. Regards, Larry At 06:48 PM 11/21/2004, you wrote: >Hey Larry > >I am confused you say it tests out to be 6 volts but in the following link it >is shown to be 12 Volt, check this link out, > >http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?function=Search > >See ya > >Bill Miller. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From frank at lbpinc.com Sun Nov 21 19:31:52 2004 From: frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:31:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Battery source In-Reply-To: <145.394d6a3b.2ed2af3b@aol.com> References: <145.394d6a3b.2ed2af3b@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20041121223030.02991140@MAIL1.THEBOOK.COM> It is a 6 volt says 3fm 4.5 Google says 6 volt 4.5 amp hr http://www.elights.com/6voltbat.html At 09:55 PM 11/21/2004, you wrote: >Hey Larry; > >The Link I gave you came up that it was an invalid part number so go ahead >and bring that link up and you will see on the left a place to search part by >part # so type in the part # 43972 and click go and the light should come up. > >See ya, > >Bill Miller. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W 77.5164| Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com From old_iron at msn.com Sun Nov 21 20:53:18 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:53:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Joe Maurer in hospital In-Reply-To: <112120041329.26504.dbf@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Send him our best wishes for a speedy recovery, he will be in our prayers. Bill & Peg Pfeiffer >From: cgandree at mchsi.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL list) >Subject: [SEL] OT Joe Maurer in hospital >Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:29:25 +0000 > >Thought I might pass on that my good friend Joe Maurer was taken to the >hospital after having severe chest pains on friday. They ran all kinds of >tests at the local hospital in Freeport then determined couldn't help him >so >they medivaced him to a Truma Center in Rockford where they finally found >that >he had a severly torn Arota wall and after 4hrs of surgery the >reconstructed >the wall saving his life. Spoke with his family yesterday and he is now off >the respirator and being transfered to room sometime today. Will post any >updates as I get them. >Curt Andree >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 21 21:12:43 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:12:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Joe Maurer in hospital References: <112120041329.26504.dbf@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <002c01c4d051$e7f136d0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Curt please get me Joe's phone number so I can call him when he feels like receiving calls. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL list" Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 7:29 AM Subject: [SEL] OT Joe Maurer in hospital > Thought I might pass on that my good friend Joe Maurer was taken to the > hospital after having severe chest pains on friday. They ran all kinds of > tests at the local hospital in Freeport then determined couldn't help him > so > they medivaced him to a Truma Center in Rockford where they finally found > that > he had a severly torn Arota wall and after 4hrs of surgery the > reconstructed > the wall saving his life. Spoke with his family yesterday and he is now > off > the respirator and being transfered to room sometime today. Will post any > updates as I get them. > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From segray at mlode.com Sun Nov 21 23:28:54 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:28:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] old engines on Propane question In-Reply-To: <1c0.20e3eb05.2ed200bb@aol.com> References: <1c0.20e3eb05.2ed200bb@aol.com> Message-ID: <41A19536.7070507@mlode.com> Thanks Tom! Should be changing from black and white to some colors here in the near future! :-) - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Germoamer at aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 11/20/2004 2:05:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, >segray at mlode.com writes: > ><< (http://www.oldengineshed.com/graphics/mery114net.jpg ) >> > > >Steve, > >A beautiful engine! > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. USA >Germoamer at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Sun Nov 21 08:03:01 2004 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 16:03:01 -0000 Subject: [SEL] marks magnetos Message-ID: <005a01c4cfe3$afc81df0$0294e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi everybody, I was wondering if anyone can help by giving me either an email address or a website address for Mark's magneto service See you latter, Craig Morrison from Scotland From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Nov 22 03:08:13 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:08:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] marks magnetos References: <005a01c4cfe3$afc81df0$0294e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <000d01c4d083$8fb3b970$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Craig, here you're. www.deschene.com/marksmagneto Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web Hi everybody, I was wondering if anyone can help by giving me either an email address or a website address for Mark's magneto service See you latter, Craig Morrison from Scotland _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustyiron at bigpond.com Sun Nov 21 15:14:32 2004 From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:14:32 +0800 Subject: [SEL] marks magnetos References: <005a01c4cfe3$afc81df0$0294e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <002701c4d01f$f7ddfa60$f093fea9@ibmbnh186c> Hi Craig. All I have for Mark is his mailing address, if you do get a website can you pass it on? Marks Magneto Service 395 South Burhnam Hwy. Lisban, CT. 06351 860-887-1094 Andy.... Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 12:03 AM Subject: [SEL] marks magnetos Hi everybody, I was wondering if anyone can help by giving me either an email address or a website address for Mark's magneto service See you latter, Craig Morrison from Scotland _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Nov 22 04:25:13 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:25:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: <002101c4d031$752d6260$f3c77040@user> Message-ID: Hi Paul, I have a different setup from the sounds of your description. Mine is set up for a friction drive rotary mag off the flywheel. You can see a picture of the bracket here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/galloway/galloway3.jpg I'll probably just try to find one that will match up to the slots in the bracket. Thanks. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA P.S. Will be over in your area in Tecumseh Thursday and Friday with family. Was born and raised there. Lots of our family history in Riga. =============== >From: "Paul Russell" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present >Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:20:29 -0500 > >Luke, don't know if you found what you are looking for but I have a 5 or 6 >hp Galloway with the mag, and gear guard on it. Brkt # 00 02, I think, as >it >was through a mirror and buried. Can get you a picture if you want. > >Paul Russell >Riga, Michigan >hit_n_miss at tc3net.com > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Luke Tonneberger" >To: >Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 10:56 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > >Hi John, > >Do you have any idea what rotary mag Galloway put on their engines? > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Nov 22 06:30:30 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:30:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Pouring Babbitt..revisited References: <3khj62$gni8kh@mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net> <005001c4cf0e$b2e30250$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: Thanks John! I already have it downloaded...jus too darn lazy to read it. Will bite the bullet and get it out. Re: Luke's rotary mag question, I have a picture of a Galloway with a mag. Looking now on the CD. later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Pouring Babbitt..revisited > Rick, > I have a file on the "Magnolia Metal Bearing Book" in PDF form I can > email > to you if you don't have it. It covers babbit bearings pretty good. > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > >> > Well I'm getting my first on hands experience pouring babbitt for the > >> > saw > >> > arbor bearings on the sawrig. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Mon Nov 22 06:42:54 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 06:42:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041122144254.76980.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Luke Here is a little larger ~7hp galloway that has a galloway rotary mag..Not sure who made it for them. Wizzard? This one has the coil inside of the magnets. I have 2 wizzards on the shelf with plans to use them on a challenge or two with separate coils. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004Baraboo/Engines/2/05.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004Baraboo/Engines/2/06.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004Baraboo/Engines/2/08.JPG You might need to check for link wrapping. Steve --- Luke Tonneberger wrote: Hi Paul, I have a different setup from the sounds of your description. Mine is set up for a friction drive rotary mag off the flywheel. You can see a picture of the bracket here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/galloway/galloway3.jpg I'll probably just try to find one that will match up to the slots in the bracket. Thanks. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =============== From: "Paul Russell" Luke, don't know if you found what you are looking for but I have a 5 or 6 hp Galloway with the mag, and gear guard on it. Brkt # 00 02, I think, as it was through a mirror and buried. Can get you a picture if you want. Paul Russell Riga, Michigan hit_n_miss at tc3net.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" Hi John, Do you have any idea what rotary mag Galloway put on their engines? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===== ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Nov 22 07:14:52 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:14:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: <20041122144254.76980.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041122144254.76980.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041122100441.12f53bc8@mail.alltel.net> Hi Steve, What you have pictured looks more like a generator than a magneto to me. Looks like the engine starts on a battery and then is changed over to the (whatever it is) for running. Am I correct on that? Dave PS, If it's a magneto how does the timing work? (Not the trip of the points, but the timing for firing the magneto?) PPS, If I am correct that it is a generator, then it's about the same set up as my 15 HP "push button" Domestic. The Domestic generator only produces about 3v at the slow speed at which I run it. That's not enough to fire the buzz coil on it! At 09:42 AM 11/22/2004, you wrote: >Luke > >Here is a little larger ~7hp galloway that has a galloway rotary mag..Not >sure who made it for them. Wizzard? This one has the coil inside of the >magnets. I have 2 wizzards on the shelf with plans to use them on a >challenge or two with separate coils. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004Baraboo/Engines/2/05.JPG > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004Baraboo/Engines/2/06.JPG > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004Baraboo/Engines/2/08.JPG > >You might need to check for link wrapping. > >Steve >--- Luke Tonneberger wrote: >Hi Paul, > >I have a different setup from the sounds of your description. Mine is set >up for a friction drive rotary mag off the flywheel. You can see a picture >of the bracket here: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/galloway/galloway3.jpg > >I'll probably just try to find one that will match up to the slots in >the bracket. Thanks. > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA > >=============== > >From: "Paul Russell" > >Luke, don't know if you found what you are looking for but I have a 5 or 6 >hp Galloway with the mag, and gear guard on it. Brkt # 00 02, I think, as >it was through a mirror and buried. Can get you a picture if you want. > >Paul Russell >Riga, Michigan >hit_n_miss at tc3net.com > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Luke Tonneberger" > >Hi John, > >Do you have any idea what rotary mag Galloway put on their engines? > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA > > >===== >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr > stevebarr at ameritech.net >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Nov 22 07:17:23 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:17:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Joe Maurer update Message-ID: <112220041517.21649.6638@mchsi.com> Just got off the phone with Joe Maurer and he is out of Intensive care unit in his own room. Very sore but feeling better and able to remember who hes talking too. Believe he wouldn't mind hearing from all of us since he realizes that if he had not been flown to Trauma Center he would not be here. The prayers worked! Thankyou to all who cares. Curt Joe's address: Dean "JOE" Maurer %OSF Saint Anthonys Medical Center 5666 East State Street, Room #420 Rockford, Illinois 61108 Phone: 1-800-343-3185 room #420 From stevebarr at ameritech.net Mon Nov 22 07:40:36 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:40:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041122100441.12f53bc8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <20041122154036.96893.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> Dave You are correct that it is a genrator. Too much work and not enough play out here...The galloway that I pictured has a battery in the wheel that they use to start it on. Steve --- Dave Rotigel wrote: Hi Steve, What you have pictured looks more like a generator than a magneto to me. Looks like the engine starts on a battery and then is changed over to the (whatever it is) for running. Am I correct on that? Dave PS, If it's a magneto how does the timing work? (Not the trip of the points, but the timing for firing the magneto?) PPS, If I am correct that it is a generator, then it's about the same set up as my 15 HP "push button" Domestic. The Domestic generator only produces about 3v at the slow speed at which I run it. That's not enough to fire the buzz coil on it! At 09:42 AM 11/22/2004, you wrote: Luke Here is a little larger ~7hp galloway that has a galloway rotary mag. Not sure who made it for them. Wizzard? This one has the coil inside of the magnets. I have 2 wizzards on the shelf with plans to use them on a challenge or two with separate coils. From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Nov 22 09:03:56 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:03:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: <20041122144254.76980.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, That is exactly what I'm looking for. It looks like a complex setup with all those wires. What is the deal with having a coil inside the magnets? Is it to start the engine on a battery and coil then switch it over to the mag once it is running? I thought you were supposed to keep a coil away from a magneto because of the magnetic field?? Maybe someone could explain? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: Steve Barr >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present >Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 06:42:54 -0800 (PST) > >Luke > >Here is a little larger ~7hp galloway that has a galloway rotary mag..Not >sure who made it for them. Wizzard? This one has the coil inside of the >magnets. I have 2 wizzards on the shelf with plans to use them on a >challenge or two with separate coils. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004Baraboo/Engines/2/05.JPG > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004Baraboo/Engines/2/06.JPG > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004Baraboo/Engines/2/08.JPG > >You might need to check for link wrapping. > >Steve From jhcullom at adelphia.net Mon Nov 22 09:09:04 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:09:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present References: <20041122144254.76980.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041122100441.12f53bc8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001e01c4d0b5$f8acf900$6401a8c0@office> Hi Dave, I'm glad you posted this, as I not sure I understand the difference between a mag & a generator. Does the generator provide the same umph (technical term), as a mag so the ignitor will spark? Or is a mag also a generator but not in the same terms as the generator you're referring to? Thanks, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" > What you have pictured looks more like a generator than a magneto > to me. Looks like the engine starts on a battery and then is changed over > to the (whatever it is) for running. Am I correct on that? From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Nov 22 09:34:00 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:34:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Generator / Magneto In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041122100441.12f53bc8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Guys, I should have changed the subject, but I kept forgetting, sorry. John Cullom sent me a scan out of a catalog and it shows an item similar to the one Steve pictured and it is called a magneto. It shows the coil inside the magnets. It also says on engines of larger horsepower (with larger flywheels) enough speed cannot be obtained to properly fire the engine when starting. So it is started on battery and coil first then switched over to the magneto. This is the purpose of having the coil inside the magnets. Still thought a coil should be kept away from a mag, but maybe I was mistaken?? The scan John sent talks about three mags. Two of them are the type I'm talking about and what Steve showed (for a make and break system). One with the coil in it and one without. The third one mentioned is for a jump spark system, which sounds like the system Dave has on his Domestic. Could someone maybe explain the difference between the friction drive magnetos for the make and break and jump spark systems? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================== >From: Dave Rotigel >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present >Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:14:52 -0500 > >Hi Steve, > What you have pictured looks more like a generator than a magneto >to me. Looks like the engine starts on a battery and then is changed over >to the (whatever it is) for running. Am I correct on that? > Dave >PS, If it's a magneto how does the timing work? (Not the trip of the >points, but the timing for firing the magneto?) >PPS, If I am correct that it is a generator, then it's about the same set >up as my 15 HP "push button" Domestic. The Domestic generator only produces >about 3v at the slow speed at which I run it. That's not enough to fire the >buzz coil on it! From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Nov 22 09:52:40 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:52:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old Engine Scam on Ebay Message-ID: <41A22768.8030404@scrtc.com> Just to tip to anyone bidding on iron on ebay. I bid on an engine about a month ago and ended up as the third bidder on it although it didn't reach the reserve. I got an email today that was a "Second Chance Offer" where the seller said they would let me have the item for my bid. I thought it was strange as there was a bid ahead of me after the high bid. I contacted the seller, not through the method provided in the "ebay email" but through another method as I know him. He said he had never done a second chance offer on the engine. The email looked authentic (as all the scam emails are beginning to look). I assume they were trying to get me to pay for it with Paypal and clean out my account. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 22 10:33:00 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:33:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Joe Maurer update References: <112220041517.21649.6638@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <003e01c4d0c1$ba719d10$210110ac@PaulMaples> Hey Curt I just talked to Joe and he was in good spirits. Said that they put in a new sleeve and re-ground the valves and he is back up and running. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL list" Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 9:17 AM Subject: [SEL] OT Joe Maurer update > Just got off the phone with Joe Maurer and he is out of Intensive care > unit in > his own room. Very sore but feeling better and able to remember who hes > talking too. Believe he wouldn't mind hearing from all of us since he > realizes that if he had not been flown to Trauma Center he would not be > here. > The prayers worked! > > Thankyou to all who cares. > Curt > > Joe's address: > Dean "JOE" Maurer > %OSF Saint Anthonys Medical Center > 5666 East State Street, Room #420 > Rockford, Illinois 61108 > > Phone: 1-800-343-3185 room #420 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Mon Nov 22 10:32:48 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:32:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net> <41A126DA.6000800@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <05b301c4d0c1$ad4592e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> This is probably unrelated but so close to Ken's spot that it is worth sharing. Wayne Walker who is 2 spots down from Ken's on the same side has his wife and kids with him. His wife has a display of JD/Chalmers/Int bras and underwear, thongs etc. I sit directly accross from them and just enjoy a week of watching men and women looking and "browsing" and buying those things. Last yr. in 2003 someone complained about the "items" and were offended and a higher up said something to Wayne , so wayne moved the display back under his canopy more............Well this yr. the same person who appears to be on the board came over and took pictures of the display and went with them to the directors meeting and complained some more.At the end of the show Wayne was not offered his space again and was told why. The guy who complained has power there. I talked with Wayne and they are very bothered by this as he has been coming there with nice engines and lots of original carts for many many yrs. He is there from Mon-Sun. and doesnt want to lose his spots,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Back to Ken, I know Ken was bothered by this as we all were in that area so this might be the issue at the meeting, it could be something else but the coincidence of the 2 spots is too close. This is 1st hand knowledge and if this isnt the right type of info you were looking for ,,,,sorry,,, and we now have something else to talk about at Portland, Take Care, Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Nov 22 11:32:24 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:32:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: <001e01c4d0b5$f8acf900$6401a8c0@office> References: <20041122144254.76980.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041122100441.12f53bc8@mail.alltel.net> <001e01c4d0b5$f8acf900$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041122142401.12fa4930@mail.alltel.net> Hi John, The generator (and I am pretty sure that that is what it is) simply supplies a constant source of 6v--just as the old 6v battery (actually 3 2v wet cells) would. The problem was that spinning the flywheels would not turn them fast enough to "generate" the 6v necessary to produce a spark--thus a battery was needed for starting the engine. On the photos that Steve sent to Luke there would be no way to "time" the "thing" if it was, indeed, a magneto. Once the engine was running "up to speed" 6v would be generated and the battery could be turned off (notice the 2 way switch in the photos) and it's energy saved for starting the engine when needed. Dave PS, keep in mind that charging a battery in the 20's likely meant hitching up the horses and going into town--then repeating the procedure the next day to pick up the charged battery! At 12:09 PM 11/22/2004, you wrote: >Hi Dave, > I'm glad you posted this, as I not sure I understand the difference > between a mag & a generator. Does the generator provide the same umph > (technical term), as a mag so the ignitor will spark? Or is a mag also a > generator but not in the same terms as the generator you're referring to? >Thanks, >John > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" >> What you have pictured looks more like a generator than a >> magneto to me. Looks like the engine starts on a battery and then is >> changed over to the (whatever it is) for running. Am I correct on that? > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Nov 22 11:41:34 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:41:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Generator / Magneto References: Message-ID: <001301c4d0cb$4644a9a0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Luke, Take a look at Harry Matthews ignition & mag site, you will find all the answers you want. http://www.old-engine.com/magign.htm Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Hi Guys, > > I should have changed the subject, but I kept forgetting, sorry. John > Cullom sent me a scan out of a catalog and it shows an item similar to the > one Steve pictured and it is called a magneto. It shows the coil inside the > magnets. It also says on engines of larger horsepower (with larger > flywheels) enough speed cannot be obtained to properly fire the engine when > starting. So it is started on battery and coil first then switched over to > the magneto. This is the purpose of having the coil inside the magnets. > Still thought a coil should be kept away from a mag, but maybe I was > mistaken?? The scan John sent talks about three mags. Two of them are the > type I'm talking about and what Steve showed (for a make and break system). > One with the coil in it and one without. The third one mentioned is for a > jump spark system, which sounds like the system Dave has on his Domestic. > Could someone maybe explain the difference between the friction drive > magnetos for the make and break and jump spark systems? > > Luke Tonneberger /mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Nov 22 12:01:27 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:01:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? In-Reply-To: <05b301c4d0c1$ad4592e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net> <41A126DA.6000800@scrtc.com> <05b301c4d0c1$ad4592e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <41A24597.9090006@scrtc.com> Portland...... Bras....... Thongs!....... Now I know why you didn't leave your space much since you're set up near him. Was there a "fitting room" nearby (say in the covered trailer located at your space?). I never thought the Portland show could be derailed by a Bra and a Thong..... although come to think of it, there could be worse things....... next year I may not go to look at the old iron after all! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Alec Stevens wrote: >This is probably unrelated but so close to Ken's spot that it is worth sharing. >Wayne Walker who is 2 spots down from Ken's on the same side has his wife and kids with him. His wife has a display of JD/Chalmers/Int bras and underwear, thongs etc. I sit directly accross from them and just enjoy a week of watching men and women looking and "browsing" and buying those things. >Last yr. in 2003 someone complained about the "items" and were offended and a higher up said something to Wayne , so wayne moved the display back under his canopy more............Well this yr. the same person who appears to be on the board came over and took pictures of the display and went with them to the directors meeting and complained some more.At the end of the show Wayne was not offered his space again and was told why. The guy who complained has power there. > I talked with Wayne and they are very bothered by this as he has been coming there with nice engines and lots of original carts for many many yrs. He is there from Mon-Sun. and doesnt want to lose his spots,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, > Back to Ken, I know Ken was bothered by this as we all were in that area so this might be the issue at the meeting, it could be something else but the coincidence of the 2 spots is too close. This is 1st hand knowledge and if this isnt the right type of info you were looking for ,,,,sorry,,, and we now have something else to talk about at Portland, >Take Care, > > Alec J. Stevens >Investment Specialist >80 Leighton Road, Suite C >Falmouth, ME 04105 >(800)842-6669 >(207)797-5169 >(207)797-2819 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Nov 22 12:03:41 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:03:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? In-Reply-To: <05b301c4d0c1$ad4592e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net> <41A126DA.6000800@scrtc.com> <05b301c4d0c1$ad4592e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <41A2461D.5050604@scrtc.com> PS Alec, I can go for a IHC Bra. But, an Allis Chalmers thong! .... Sounds repulsive! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Alec Stevens wrote: >This is probably unrelated but so close to Ken's spot that it is worth sharing. >Wayne Walker who is 2 spots down from Ken's on the same side has his wife and kids with him. His wife has a display of JD/Chalmers/Int bras and underwear, thongs etc. I sit directly accross from them and just enjoy a week of watching men and women looking and "browsing" and buying those things. >Last yr. in 2003 someone complained about the "items" and were offended and a higher up said something to Wayne , so wayne moved the display back under his canopy more............Well this yr. the same person who appears to be on the board came over and took pictures of the display and went with them to the directors meeting and complained some more.At the end of the show Wayne was not offered his space again and was told why. The guy who complained has power there. > I talked with Wayne and they are very bothered by this as he has been coming there with nice engines and lots of original carts for many many yrs. He is there from Mon-Sun. and doesnt want to lose his spots,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, > Back to Ken, I know Ken was bothered by this as we all were in that area so this might be the issue at the meeting, it could be something else but the coincidence of the 2 spots is too close. This is 1st hand knowledge and if this isnt the right type of info you were looking for ,,,,sorry,,, and we now have something else to talk about at Portland, >Take Care, > > Alec J. Stevens >Investment Specialist >80 Leighton Road, Suite C >Falmouth, ME 04105 >(800)842-6669 >(207)797-5169 >(207)797-2819 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Nov 22 12:05:38 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:05:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041122142401.12fa4930@mail.alltel.net> References: <20041122144254.76980.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041122100441.12f53bc8@mail.alltel.net> <001e01c4d0b5$f8acf900$6401a8c0@office> <6.1.2.0.0.20041122142401.12fa4930@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <41A24692.1090002@scrtc.com> Dave, That's why so many people used the wind chargers on their barns. A pretty neat set up. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > > Dave > PS, keep in mind that charging a battery in the 20's likely meant > hitching up the horses and going into town--then repeating the > procedure the next day to pick up the charged battery! > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Mon Nov 22 12:20:20 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:20:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? In-Reply-To: <05b301c4d0c1$ad4592e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net> <41A126DA.6000800@scrtc.com> <05b301c4d0c1$ad4592e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:32:48 -0500, you wrote: >This is probably unrelated but so close to Ken's spot that it is worth sharing. >Wayne Walker who is 2 spots down from Ken's on the same side has his wife and kids with him. His wife has a display of JD/Chalmers/Int bras and underwear, thongs etc. I sit directly accross from them and just enjoy a week of watching men and women looking and "browsing" and buying those things. > Alec J. Stevens Sounds like a storm in a 'C' cup to me..... :-)) Peter From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Mon Nov 22 12:26:54 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:26:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net> <41A126DA.6000800@scrtc.com><05b301c4d0c1$ad4592e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> <41A24597.9090006@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <05c401c4d0d1$9d6300f0$0301a8c0@ALEC> TT, Thats why you kept hanging out in my chairs so much at the show and asking for "cold" water and all I guess that isnt the issue Dave was asking about>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? > Portland...... Bras....... Thongs!....... Now I know why you didn't > leave your space much since you're set up near him. Was there a > "fitting room" nearby (say in the covered trailer located at your > space?). I never thought the Portland show could be derailed by a Bra > and a Thong..... although come to think of it, there could be worse > things....... next year I may not go to look at the old iron after all! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Alec Stevens wrote: > > >This is probably unrelated but so close to Ken's spot that it is worth sharing. > >Wayne Walker who is 2 spots down from Ken's on the same side has his wife and kids with him. His wife has a display of JD/Chalmers/Int bras and underwear, thongs etc. I sit directly accross from them and just enjoy a week of watching men and women looking and "browsing" and buying those things. > >Last yr. in 2003 someone complained about the "items" and were offended and a higher up said something to Wayne , so wayne moved the display back under his canopy more............Well this yr. the same person who appears to be on the board came over and took pictures of the display and went with them to the directors meeting and complained some more.At the end of the show Wayne was not offered his space again and was told why. The guy who complained has power there. > > I talked with Wayne and they are very bothered by this as he has been coming there with nice engines and lots of original carts for many many yrs. He is there from Mon-Sun. and doesnt want to lose his spots,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, > > Back to Ken, I know Ken was bothered by this as we all were in that area so this might be the issue at the meeting, it could be something else but the coincidence of the 2 spots is too close. This is 1st hand knowledge and if this isnt the right type of info you were looking for ,,,,sorry,,, and we now have something else to talk about at Portland, > >Take Care, > > > > Alec J. Stevens > >Investment Specialist > >80 Leighton Road, Suite C > >Falmouth, ME 04105 > >(800)842-6669 > >(207)797-5169 > >(207)797-2819 > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 22 12:32:20 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:32:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? In-Reply-To: <41A2461D.5050604@scrtc.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net> <41A126DA.6000800@scrtc.com> <05b301c4d0c1$ad4592e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> <41A2461D.5050604@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Gee Tommy, I dunno if the world's ready to see you in an IHC bra.... OR an Allis Chalmers thong! 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > PS Alec, I can go for a IHC Bra. But, an Allis Chalmers thong! .... > Sounds repulsive! From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 22 12:33:56 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:33:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? In-Reply-To: <41A24597.9090006@scrtc.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net> <41A126DA.6000800@scrtc.com> <05b301c4d0c1$ad4592e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> <41A24597.9090006@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Hiya Tommy, The best display I saw like that was one of Harley Davidson thongs with a sign offering "Free Installation." 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Portland...... Bras....... Thongs!....... Now I know why you didn't > leave your space much since you're set up near him. Was there a > "fitting room" nearby (say in the covered trailer located at your > space?). I never thought the Portland show could be derailed by a Bra > and a Thong..... although come to think of it, there could be worse > things....... next year I may not go to look at the old iron after all! From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Nov 22 13:24:16 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:24:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net> <41A126DA.6000800@scrtc.com> <05b301c4d0c1$ad4592e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> <41A2461D.5050604@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <41A25900.4070205@scrtc.com> If that were to happen I know that there wouldn't be many folks looking at the old iron. I think I could find a few folks a bit more appropriate to "display" them. I hope that issues like this don't cause too much turmoil at Portland. I agree with the point that I would prefer to see just iron related artifacts in the flea market area. However, we all know that there will be the occasional item(s) outside the old iron that are placed for sale by some of the iron hobbiest or their spouses. My wife is younger than me and was at one time a college cheerleader. While I have turned into a slob, she's still as fit and trim as ever. The items like those Wayne's wife had would be good in that they would interest her (and me if they're on her..). Seriously, we bring our spouses to the shows and for many, there is nothing to garner their interest while we're looking at an old mag, carb, or other junk. At least something like this keeps their attention. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Arnie Fero wrote: > Gee Tommy, > > I dunno if the world's ready to see you in an IHC bra.... OR an Allis > Chalmers thong! 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Mon Nov 22 13:44:41 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:44:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Anyone in Burnsville, MN ?? Message-ID: We picked up a nice NC controlled engraver a few weeks ago, and it got back here last week. One of the items that was advised by the vendor was that one of the two tape storage drives was not working. When we collected the machine, we were told that apparently it was thrown across the workshop in a fit of frustration by the operator.... Anyway, after a lot of searching and hunting, we think the makers are a company called:- Braemar, Inc. 11481 Rupp Drive Burnsville, MN 55337 USA Toll Free: 800.328.2719 Phone: 952.890.5135 Fax: 952.882.6550 We emailed them today with a request for help on the drive, but if we don't get any response, is there anyone near that could call in for us? Local people tend to get better responses than overseas enquiries in our experience. We have got images up on our website which we sent them the url of, so they should be aware of which machine it is. Peter From old_iron at msn.com Mon Nov 22 14:39:19 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:39:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? Message-ID: Gee Judge Tommy, I just guess you have never gone through the "arts and crafts" sellers area, that is where the real stuff is for the ladies that don't want to look at all the "rusty" men and "rusty" stuff. I go every year to a gentlemen that sells "cut" coin jewelry, and based on how guilty Bill feels (how much he has spent in the back 40) that is what I get to pick out from his booth. Just my 2 cents, Peg Pfeiffer PS: We went to Portland for 14 years in a row and didn't go this year because of the "politics" of some of the club members. When Reggie goes back, we will too, since then there is a good reason to return. >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? >Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:24:16 -0500 > > >If that were to happen I know that there wouldn't be many folks looking at >the old iron. I think I could find a few folks a bit more appropriate to >"display" them. I hope that issues like this don't cause too much turmoil >at Portland. I agree with the point that I would prefer to see just iron >related artifacts in the flea market area. However, we all know that there >will be the occasional item(s) outside the old iron that are placed for >sale by some of the iron hobbiest or their spouses. My wife is younger >than me and was at one time a college cheerleader. While I have turned >into a slob, she's still as fit and trim as ever. The items like those >Wayne's wife had would be good in that they would interest her (and me if >they're on her..). Seriously, we bring our spouses to the shows and for >many, there is nothing to garner their interest while we're looking at an >old mag, carb, or other junk. At least something like this keeps their >attention. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >Arnie Fero wrote: > >>Gee Tommy, >> >>I dunno if the world's ready to see you in an IHC bra.... OR an Allis >>Chalmers thong! 8-)) >> >>See ya, Arnie >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Nov 22 15:37:53 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:37:53 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: <41A24692.1090002@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <200411222337.iAMNbw29064258@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> >That's why so many people used the wind >chargers on their barns. A pretty neat set up. A couple weeks ago I was running an engine on a battery and a chap came by and asked how the batteries were recharged in the old days. I had to tell him I didn't know. A few days after that I was browsing through one of Hiscox's books and he went into great detail explaining how to mix up the chemicals for a battery. The impression I got was that one would run the battery until it was out of oomph, then empty it, clean it, and pour in another batch of chemicals. Was this one method, or did I misinterpret Hiscox' prose? Rob From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 22 14:56:11 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:56:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net><41A126DA.6000800@scrtc.com> <05b301c4d0c1$ad4592e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <004301c4d0e6$76fd8c40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> I talked with Wayne and they are very bothered by this as he has been coming there with nice engines and lots of original carts for many many yrs. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ///////////////////////////////////////// The KC Haypress officianado ? He does have every set of trucks there was . I've bought some of those from him , too ! JD , silver metallic, lycra thong, size 2 . Big hit too . I only half heartedly complained about there not being any Bessemer or tripolar thongs . Chuck Texas From BillMil357 at aol.com Mon Nov 22 15:49:10 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:49:10 EST Subject: [SEL] Battery source Message-ID: <1c4.20ab2b6c.2ed3d4f6@aol.com> Hey Guys; I went down to Harbor Freight today and purchased one of the 43972 spotlight's, it is a 6 v olt bat. but the charger is a 12 volt DC, 400 Milli. Amp. output. Why is the charger 12V and the battery 6V? That is one bright light. Thanks, Bill Miller Memphis, TN. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Nov 22 16:10:30 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:10:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41A27FF6.1020503@scrtc.com> Peg, I've been through the arts and crafts area many times over the last 31 years. The first year I went to Portland, in 1973, there were 2 engine / tractor vendors and about 8 - 10 craft vendors so I've seen the transformation into a large scale business. My wife went with me one year to Portland. I walked her through the engine tractor flea market (took all day) and burned her out. She hasn't come back with me since (but doesn't complain about me going). While I am one that isn't interested in seeing a vendor selling only glassware in the engine area, I understand if an engine dealer has a table with 10 or 15 pieces on it. My wife would be attracted to the glassware while I looked at the iron. I would suspect the complaints about Wayne's items centers around what the items were rather than there being a "mix" of items (iron vs. non iron). Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > Gee Judge Tommy, I just guess you have never gone through the "arts > and crafts" sellers area, that is where the real stuff is for the > ladies that don't want to look at all the "rusty" men and "rusty" stuff. > > I go every year to a gentlemen that sells "cut" coin jewelry, and > based on how guilty Bill feels (how much he has spent in the back 40) > that is what I get to pick out from his booth. > > Just my 2 cents, > > Peg Pfeiffer > > PS: We went to Portland for 14 years in a row and didn't go this year > because of the "politics" of some of the club members. When Reggie > goes back, we will too, since then there is a good reason to return. > >> From: Judge Tommy Turner >> Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >> >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? >> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:24:16 -0500 >> >> >> If that were to happen I know that there wouldn't be many folks >> looking at the old iron. I think I could find a few folks a bit more >> appropriate to "display" them. I hope that issues like this don't >> cause too much turmoil at Portland. I agree with the point that I >> would prefer to see just iron related artifacts in the flea market >> area. However, we all know that there will be the occasional item(s) >> outside the old iron that are placed for sale by some of the iron >> hobbiest or their spouses. My wife is younger than me and was at one >> time a college cheerleader. While I have turned into a slob, she's >> still as fit and trim as ever. The items like those Wayne's wife had >> would be good in that they would interest her (and me if they're on >> her..). Seriously, we bring our spouses to the shows and for many, >> there is nothing to garner their interest while we're looking at an >> old mag, carb, or other junk. At least something like this keeps >> their attention. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> Arnie Fero wrote: >> >>> Gee Tommy, >>> >>> I dunno if the world's ready to see you in an IHC bra.... OR an Allis >>> Chalmers thong! 8-)) >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Mon Nov 22 16:29:03 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:29:03 EST Subject: [SEL] Battery source Message-ID: <1a4.2bbd977f.2ed3de4f@aol.com> Hi Bill, Is it set up so you can charge it from your cigarette lighter in your vehicle? If so, it will have circuitry to reduce the voltage and/or shut it off when the 6 volt battery is charged. I suspect it charges at around 8 volts. Ron In a message dated 11/22/2004 5:54:39 PM Central Standard Time, BillMil357 at aol.com writes: Why is the charger 12V and the battery 6V? That is one bright light. Thanks, Bill Miller Memphis, TN. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Nov 22 18:08:33 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:08:33 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Thongs!!! OT Message-ID: <002101c4d101$5dc6d220$98a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Bloody Hell ...........do you Yanks have to take all our good ideas. You pinched our Ugg boots. Thong is a registered Trade Mark here in OZ , also called Japanese Safety Boots . BTW there is a beach in Indonesia where all the Thongs that are washed up are left footed, got ant ideas why ? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Mon Nov 22 18:33:35 2004 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:33:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rice & Sargent steam engine progress References: <149.39020a7e.2ed29246@aol.com> Message-ID: <001501c4d104$d55a5d40$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> Thanks, Peter and Rick for the positive replies, and Rick for your offer of transport. The good news is we found a "friendly" freight carrier and can get it here for a lot less than I thought, so we are going forward! I will try to update the website with some pic's of the new valve and the boiler work, WE ARE GETTING CLOSE! Best Regards; Jim Mackessy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Rice & Sargent steam engine progress > Hey Jim I was wondering how things were going with that "little" engine you > have up there! :-)) From the pictures she sure is a beauty! > > If someone can get that valve as far as Ohio I'll volunteer to take it on its > last leg of the journey to deliver to your doorstep! > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > www.todengine.org > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BillMil357 at aol.com Mon Nov 22 18:31:02 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:31:02 EST Subject: [SEL] Battery source Message-ID: <1dc.30a81994.2ed3fae6@aol.com> Hey Ron; Yes, just sent that in my last post, I hadn't read your post when I sent it. See ya, Bill Miller. From old_iron at msn.com Mon Nov 22 19:26:18 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:26:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS/Judge Tommy In-Reply-To: <41A27FF6.1020503@scrtc.com> Message-ID: I was just pullin' your chain!! I just think that thinks like this get so blown out of all proportion that it is a very sad state of affairs when something like this happens. Have a great day!! I need to send you a copy of my little ditty about how to live with an engine man, I will do this off list. Peg >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? >Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:10:30 -0500 > >Peg, > > I've been through the arts and crafts area many times over the last 31 >years. The first year I went to Portland, in 1973, there were 2 engine / >tractor vendors and about 8 - 10 craft vendors so I've seen the >transformation into a large scale business. My wife went with me one year >to Portland. I walked her through the engine tractor flea market (took all >day) and burned her out. She hasn't come back with me since (but doesn't >complain about me going). While I am one that isn't interested in seeing a >vendor selling only glassware in the engine area, I understand if an engine >dealer has a table with 10 or 15 pieces on it. My wife would be attracted >to the glassware while I looked at the iron. I would suspect the >complaints about Wayne's items centers around what the items were rather >than there being a "mix" of items (iron vs. non iron). > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > >>Gee Judge Tommy, I just guess you have never gone through the "arts and >>crafts" sellers area, that is where the real stuff is for the ladies that >>don't want to look at all the "rusty" men and "rusty" stuff. >> >>I go every year to a gentlemen that sells "cut" coin jewelry, and based on >>how guilty Bill feels (how much he has spent in the back 40) that is what >>I get to pick out from his booth. >> >>Just my 2 cents, >> >>Peg Pfeiffer >> >>PS: We went to Portland for 14 years in a row and didn't go this year >>because of the "politics" of some of the club members. When Reggie goes >>back, we will too, since then there is a good reason to return. >> >>>From: Judge Tommy Turner >>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>>To: The SEL email discussion list >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? >>>Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:24:16 -0500 >>> >>> >>>If that were to happen I know that there wouldn't be many folks looking >>>at the old iron. I think I could find a few folks a bit more appropriate >>>to "display" them. I hope that issues like this don't cause too much >>>turmoil at Portland. I agree with the point that I would prefer to see >>>just iron related artifacts in the flea market area. However, we all know >>>that there will be the occasional item(s) outside the old iron that are >>>placed for sale by some of the iron hobbiest or their spouses. My wife >>>is younger than me and was at one time a college cheerleader. While I >>>have turned into a slob, she's still as fit and trim as ever. The items >>>like those Wayne's wife had would be good in that they would interest her >>>(and me if they're on her..). Seriously, we bring our spouses to the >>>shows and for many, there is nothing to garner their interest while we're >>>looking at an old mag, carb, or other junk. At least something like this >>>keeps their attention. >>> >>>Tommy Turner >>>Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> >>>Arnie Fero wrote: >>> >>>>Gee Tommy, >>>> >>>>I dunno if the world's ready to see you in an IHC bra.... OR an Allis >>>>Chalmers thong! 8-)) >>>> >>>>See ya, Arnie >>>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cjclem at sysim.net Mon Nov 22 19:52:12 2004 From: cjclem at sysim.net (John) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:52:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) Message-ID: <1101181932.41a2b3ecef458@webmail.sysim.net> A hunter went beserk & killed 6, injured 2 more over deer hunting fracas. # 6 died this eve. http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/21/wisconsin.shootings/ From jhcullom at adelphia.net Mon Nov 22 15:37:23 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:37:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] generator/mag References: <20041122144254.76980.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com><6.1.2.0.0.20041122100441.12f53bc8@mail.alltel.net><001e01c4d0b5$f8acf900$6401a8c0@office> <6.1.2.0.0.20041122142401.12fa4930@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <00c201c4d0ec$37e39ee0$6401a8c0@office> Oh ok, duh, now that you put it that way, I understand. Just like having a battery without the coil. Thanks professor, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" > The generator (and I am pretty sure that that is what it is) > simply supplies a constant source of 6v--just as the old 6v battery > (actually 3 2v wet cells) would. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Nov 22 13:44:14 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:44:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041121112638.026afc10@mail.alltel.net><41A126DA.6000800@scrtc.com> <05b301c4d0c1$ad4592e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <00f601c4d130$cf94fe20$370d1bd3@athlon> Forbes, ya need shooting for that one!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" > Sounds like a storm in a 'C' cup to me..... :-)) > > Peter From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Nov 23 00:25:37 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:25:37 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? References: <41A27FF6.1020503@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <004e01c4d136$05fe2f40$45111bd3@athlon> As a foreign visitor to the Portland event, I am awed by the magnitude of the problems in organising it. While I can see the sanity in having traders separated from the exhibitors, When my mate Tom Ball set up a table with his Eclipse model and castings in the ATIS area and was prepared to sell a few sets of castings, I really could see no problem. He was showing with his group of friends. Technically, he was in the wrong. So just where CAN you draw the line? I feel that there should be a very flexible dividing line so all can be accommodated without a lot of 'set in concrete' rules. The solidifying of 'rules' always drives people away and causes friction. Trust me, I KNOW!!! To me, Portland IS the greatest. Dont let the 'small minded' spoil it. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Nov 23 05:04:46 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:04:46 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Joe Maurer update Message-ID: <112320041304.13491.6dd9@mchsi.com> Hi Paul, Iam sure your call was very much appreciated. I had to be near Rockford yesterday so payed him a visit and he looked pretty damn good too. He is very greatfull to be alive. Don't know if you ve every seen that look that people have that have been saved before but he sure had that aura almost looked too good afer that type of surgery... I am very gratful that my prayer helped save him. thanks for caring about my friend. Curt > Hey Curt I just talked to Joe and he was in good spirits. Said that they put > in a new sleeve and re-ground the valves and he is back up and running. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "SEL list" > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 9:17 AM > Subject: [SEL] OT Joe Maurer update > > > > Just got off the phone with Joe Maurer and he is out of Intensive care > > unit in > > his own room. Very sore but feeling better and able to remember who hes > > talking too. Believe he wouldn't mind hearing from all of us since he > > realizes that if he had not been flown to Trauma Center he would not be > > here. > > The prayers worked! > > > > Thankyou to all who cares. > > Curt > > > > Joe's address: > > Dean "JOE" Maurer > > %OSF Saint Anthonys Medical Center > > 5666 East State Street, Room #420 > > Rockford, Illinois 61108 > > > > Phone: 1-800-343-3185 room #420 > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marvhed at ecenet.com Tue Nov 23 05:08:55 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 07:08:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Anyone in Burnsville, MN ?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35054.199.62.0.252.1101215335.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> peter, i can can call for you. marv in minn > We picked up a nice NC controlled engraver a few weeks ago, and it got > back here > last week. > > One of the items that was advised by the vendor was that one of the two > tape > storage drives was not working. When we collected the machine, we were > told that > apparently it was thrown across the workshop in a fit of frustration by > the > operator.... > > Anyway, after a lot of searching and hunting, we think the makers are a > company > called:- > > Braemar, Inc. > 11481 Rupp Drive > Burnsville, MN 55337 USA > > Toll Free: 800.328.2719 > Phone: 952.890.5135 > Fax: 952.882.6550 > > We emailed them today with a request for help on the drive, but if we > don't get > any response, is there anyone near that could call in for us? Local > people tend > to get better responses than overseas enquiries in our experience. > > We have got images up on our website which we sent them the url of, so > they > should be aware of which machine it is. > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 23 05:32:19 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:32:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) In-Reply-To: <004e01c4d136$05fe2f40$45111bd3@athlon> References: <41A27FF6.1020503@scrtc.com> <004e01c4d136$05fe2f40$45111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: G'day Reg, The "selling thing" at Portland is one thing I think they do have right. Since they charge ALL of the vendors for their "selling spots" (which helps the overall finances for running the show), they do have to draw a line somewhere on folks selling who have NOT paid for a "selling spot." The line that they've drawn is NO SELLING; nothing, nada, zip, zilch. That is a clear, unambiguous rule. Even a FATG can understand that one. If I bring a few items to Portland that I want to sell, I have two legit options. The first is to put them into the Trading Post. There the club takes 10% off the top on everything that sells. I've got no problem with that either. The other option is to ask one of many SEL friends who ARE sellers if they would mind me putting my "For Sale" item in their area. Courtesy dictates that you offer to buy 'em a sandwich or offer a beer as a "thank you." If it's a big dollar item, I think it's also nice to offer a financial "thank you." But that's just me. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > While I can see the sanity in having traders separated from the exhibitors, > When my mate Tom Ball set up a table with his Eclipse model and castings in > the ATIS area and was prepared to sell a few sets of castings, I really > could see no problem. He was showing with his group of friends. Technically, > he was in the wrong. > So just where CAN you draw the line? I feel that there should be a very > flexible dividing line so all can be accommodated without a lot of 'set in > concrete' rules. > The solidifying of 'rules' always drives people away and causes friction. From BetCleve321 at aol.com Tue Nov 23 06:04:32 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:04:32 EST Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) Message-ID: <1c9.2101f49e.2ed49d70@aol.com> In a message dated 11/22/2004 10:59:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, cjclem at sysim.net writes: A hunter went beserk & killed 6, injured 2 more over deer hunting fracas. # 6 died this eve. http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/21/wisconsin.shootings/ The reason why he did that is that he had an assult rifle. Said so on the news. Skip From marvhed at ecenet.com Tue Nov 23 06:34:46 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:34:46 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) In-Reply-To: <1c9.2101f49e.2ed49d70@aol.com> References: <1c9.2101f49e.2ed49d70@aol.com> Message-ID: <43963.199.62.0.252.1101220486.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> also read this article about the Hmong concerns. http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5099915.html marv in minn > > In a message dated 11/22/2004 10:59:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, > cjclem at sysim.net writes: > > A hunter went beserk & killed 6, injured 2 more over deer hunting > fracas. # 6 died this eve. > http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/21/wisconsin.shootings/ > > > > The reason why he did that is that he had an assult rifle. > Said so on the news. > > Skip > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Nov 23 06:50:45 2004 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:50:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) References: <41A27FF6.1020503@scrtc.com> <004e01c4d136$05fe2f40$45111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <002501c4d16b$d05a4820$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> Don't ya just hate it when Arnie makes sense? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) > G'day Reg, > > The "selling thing" at Portland is one thing I think they do have right. > Since they charge ALL of the vendors for their "selling spots" (which > helps the overall finances for running the show), they do have to draw a > line somewhere on folks selling who have NOT paid for a "selling spot." > > The line that they've drawn is NO SELLING; nothing, nada, zip, zilch. > That is a clear, unambiguous rule. Even a FATG can understand that one. > > If I bring a few items to Portland that I want to sell, I have two legit > options. The first is to put them into the Trading Post. There the club > takes 10% off the top on everything that sells. I've got no problem with > that either. The other option is to ask one of many SEL friends who ARE > sellers if they would mind me putting my "For Sale" item in their area. > Courtesy dictates that you offer to buy 'em a sandwich or offer a beer as > a "thank you." If it's a big dollar item, I think it's also nice to offer > a financial "thank you." But that's just me. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > > > While I can see the sanity in having traders separated from the exhibitors, > > When my mate Tom Ball set up a table with his Eclipse model and castings in > > the ATIS area and was prepared to sell a few sets of castings, I really > > could see no problem. He was showing with his group of friends. Technically, > > he was in the wrong. > > So just where CAN you draw the line? I feel that there should be a very > > flexible dividing line so all can be accommodated without a lot of 'set in > > concrete' rules. > > The solidifying of 'rules' always drives people away and causes friction. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Tue Nov 23 07:28:20 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (diesel at easynet.co.uk) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:28:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) In-Reply-To: References: <41A27FF6.1020503@scrtc.com> <004e01c4d136$05fe2f40$45111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <1101223700.41a35714dc2a3@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> Quoting Arnie Fero : > G'day Reg, > > The "selling thing" at Portland is one thing I think they do have right. > Since they charge ALL of the vendors for their "selling spots" (which > helps the overall finances for running the show), they do have to draw a > line somewhere on folks selling who have NOT paid for a "selling spot." > > The line that they've drawn is NO SELLING; nothing, nada, zip, zilch. > That is a clear, unambiguous rule. Even a FATG can understand that one. > > If I bring a few items to Portland that I want to sell, I have two legit > options. The first is to put them into the Trading Post. There the club > takes 10% off the top on everything that sells. I've got no problem with > that either. The other option is to ask one of many SEL friends who ARE > sellers if they would mind me putting my "For Sale" item in their area. > Courtesy dictates that you offer to buy 'em a sandwich or offer a beer as > a "thank you." If it's a big dollar item, I think it's also nice to offer > a financial "thank you." But that's just me. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero I'd agree with that, it is much better to have sales in one area and not make a mess like we see over here along the engine line-up of bits and pieces, especially non-engine related. Non-engine items 'with' engine logos I can live with, although I am probably past my sell-by date for thongs! :-)) Portland has a good show going, I hope they can keep it much the same. Peter -- Peter Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel --------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.easynetdial.co.uk From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Tue Nov 23 07:45:15 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:45:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) References: <41A27FF6.1020503@scrtc.com><004e01c4d136$05fe2f40$45111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <063601c4d173$6efc9df0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Hi all, In the past 5 yrs , I have seen the directors escort 5 people/individuals to the gate and ask them to not come back for violating the no selling before weds morning. This isnt harsh, just the rule, which I dont like but respect. There is alot of junk out in the selling areas, as long as there are engines and the like out in the selling area, it shouldnt matter what else is there as long as its not ,,,,,,,,,,,well I cant say because that opens another can of worms. Dave , Arnie, Tommy, Rex and others have had stuff for sale in my spots and that is the best way for staying out of trouble in the "show" areas. Anyone needing to sell something just ask. Wayne does have the best selection of good, common to rare engine trucks at the show and is a heck of a nice guy as is his family. It is a shame that he is not coming back unless he leaves his wifes clothes at home, I didnt mention but she also has a complete line of baby outfits/ hats scarves/etc. with the eng/tractor logo's which are very nice as well as being properly licensed with JD in order to use their logo. What is a real pleasure is to watch from across the isle the guys and gals who banter , blush and buy stuff. Tommy, I am not sure but if you run for Gov. of Kty. sometime soon your opponents may have a field day with the bra wearing thing from the SEL archives,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just a thought, I already printed a copy for my records ;-) Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) > G'day Reg, > > The "selling thing" at Portland is one thing I think they do have right. > Since they charge ALL of the vendors for their "selling spots" (which > helps the overall finances for running the show), they do have to draw a > line somewhere on folks selling who have NOT paid for a "selling spot." > > The line that they've drawn is NO SELLING; nothing, nada, zip, zilch. > That is a clear, unambiguous rule. Even a FATG can understand that one. > > If I bring a few items to Portland that I want to sell, I have two legit > options. The first is to put them into the Trading Post. There the club > takes 10% off the top on everything that sells. I've got no problem with > that either. The other option is to ask one of many SEL friends who ARE > sellers if they would mind me putting my "For Sale" item in their area. > Courtesy dictates that you offer to buy 'em a sandwich or offer a beer as > a "thank you." If it's a big dollar item, I think it's also nice to offer > a financial "thank you." But that's just me. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > > > While I can see the sanity in having traders separated from the exhibitors, > > When my mate Tom Ball set up a table with his Eclipse model and castings in > > the ATIS area and was prepared to sell a few sets of castings, I really > > could see no problem. He was showing with his group of friends. Technically, > > he was in the wrong. > > So just where CAN you draw the line? I feel that there should be a very > > flexible dividing line so all can be accommodated without a lot of 'set in > > concrete' rules. > > The solidifying of 'rules' always drives people away and causes friction. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From mtucker at uky.edu Tue Nov 23 08:12:49 2004 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:12:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) In-Reply-To: <063601c4d173$6efc9df0$0301a8c0@ALEC> References: <41A27FF6.1020503@scrtc.com><004 e01c4d136$05fe2f40$45111bd3@athlon> <063601c4d173$6efc9df0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: > Tommy, I am not sure but if you run for Gov. of Kty. sometime soon your >opponents may have a field day with the bra wearing thing from the SEL >archives,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just a thought, I already printed >a copy for my records ;-) Don't worry Tommy, unless Alex is a a Democrat he can't vote against you from his home far away in Maine. On the other hand, while I certainly want to erase the bra image from my mind, you would get my Kentucky vote! A potential constituent, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Nov 23 09:14:40 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:14:40 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Thongs!!! OT In-Reply-To: <002101c4d101$5dc6d220$98a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <200411231714.iANHEkLX090830@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Thong is a registered Trade Mark here in OZ , also > called Japanese Safety Boots . C'mon Peter, be honest with us here. You blokes might have INVENTED the thong, but we PERFECTED it!!! >BTW there is a beach in Indonesia where all > the Thongs that are washed up are left footed, I have a feeling I'm gonna be sorry for asking, but why is it that all the thongs that wash up on a beach in Indonisia are left footed? =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From jnyost at yahoo.com Tue Nov 23 09:20:07 2004 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:20:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Garden Tractor ID Message-ID: <20041123172007.89875.qmail@web40601.mail.yahoo.com> I have a friend that says he has a NORM TRUE DRAFT GARDEN TRACTOR. Does anyone have any info on these? Thanks, Jim ===== Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From curt at imc-group.com Tue Nov 23 09:27:30 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:27:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? In-Reply-To: <063601c4d173$6efc9df0$0301a8c0@ALEC> References: <41A27FF6.1020503@scrtc.com><004e01c4d136$05fe2f40$45111bd3@athlon> <063601c4d173$6efc9df0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <41A37302.8080805@imc-group.com> Alec, A few years ago you all may recall I utilized the SEL as a sounding board for a complaint I had concerning a policy of the Denton Farm Park show in North Carolina. The opinions of this group were unanimous and I made copies of many of the replies and included them with my letter to the directors of the Denton Farm Park show. The letter and your comments were instrumental in getting a policy changed. Concerning the issue of Wayne Walker and family, I think it is unanimous that everyone agrees the value that Wayne brings to the Portland experience. Truthfully I never even noticed the items being sold that are in dispute, so they must not have been too imposing. I believe it would be appropriate to make copies of the supportive comments about Wayne and send them (with a letter?) to the board of directors of the Portland show. I believe the consensus of the largest online organization of engine folk in the world would be of value to the directors as they debate their decision. It's a tough job they have knowing where to draw the line, and doing so in a timely fashion before matters get out of hand. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Alec Stevens wrote: >Hi all, > Wayne does have the best selection of good, common to rare engine trucks at >the show and is a heck of a nice guy as is his family. It is a shame that he >is not coming back unless he leaves his wifes clothes at home, I didnt >mention but she also has a complete line of baby outfits/ hats scarves/etc. >with the eng/tractor logo's which are very nice as well as being properly >licensed with JD in order to use their logo. >What is a real pleasure is to watch from across the isle the guys and gals >who banter , blush and buy stuff. > > > From swebre at hotmail.com Tue Nov 23 09:50:18 2004 From: swebre at hotmail.com (Steve Webre) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:50:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Joe Maurer Message-ID: Hey Folks, Just got off the phone w/ Joe. He's gonna be with us for a while and is pretty lucky. Sounds like they normally find what got him during the autophsy. He was in good spirits but was a bit concerned and had to get off the phone. Seems they were preping him for a shower. I'm sure there will be a story involved... Steve Webre Broussard, LA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 23 10:18:28 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:18:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Joe Maurer update References: <112320041304.13491.6dd9@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <001401c4d188$d6ff27a0$210110ac@PaulMaples> It was my pleasure Curt, Joe is a great guy and I am thrilled that he came through this in flying colors. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Joe Maurer update > Hi Paul, > Iam sure your call was very much appreciated. I had to be near Rockford > yesterday so payed him a visit and he looked pretty damn good too. He is > very greatfull to be alive. Don't know if you ve every seen that look > that > From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Tue Nov 23 12:31:42 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:31:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) References: <41A27FF6.1020503@scrtc.com><004e01c4d136$05fe2f40$45111bd3@athlon><063601c4d173$6efc9df0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <067001c4d19b$730f5fe0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Mike , Who says Republicans are conservative, your "swing" vote for Tommy would show the liberals how liberal we really are. Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 > Don't worry Tommy, unless Alex is a a Democrat he can't vote against > you from his home far away in Maine. On the other hand, while I > certainly want to erase the bra image from my mind, you would get my > Kentucky vote! > From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Nov 23 12:53:27 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:53:27 EST Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) Message-ID: <191.32e9d7ce.2ed4fd47@aol.com> In a message dated 11/23/2004 9:20:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, BetCleve321 at aol.com writes: << The reason why he did that is that he had an assult rifle. Said so on the news. >> Yes, and the news said it was loaded with 20 bullets. Who needs a semi automatic gun with 20 bullets to deer hunt? This is one of the greatest tragic reasons people want assault rifles banned. Virginia allows no more than 3 shells in a shot gun. I own many guns and enjoy rabbit hunting with my beagles, but laws allowing assault rifles with 20 bullets for hunting are stupid! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From George_Best at adp.com Tue Nov 23 13:44:29 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:44:29 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? Message-ID: Separating exhibitors and vendors is a problem I have a personal interest in. I prefer letting a person be both if they want to do both. Otherwise you're forcing the person to choose one or the other. In my personal case I exhibit engines/tractors at the shows I attend, plus I set up my W.A.I.T (Western Antique Iron Trader) booth. My booth basically is just a shade canopy like used by exhibitors, except I have a W.A.I.T. banner attached and have a table to give out free W.A.I.T. samples. The vendor part is that I also accept new subscriptions and renewals. The accepting payments at my exhibit is more of a service or convenience for people than anything else. We produce W.A.I.T. on such a low profit margin that it wouldn't pay to get a vendor space for the amount of new subscriptions we get at a show. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Reg & Margaret Ingold > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:26 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? > > As a foreign visitor to the Portland event, I am awed by the > magnitude of the problems in organising it. > While I can see the sanity in having traders separated from > the exhibitors, When my mate Tom Ball set up a table with his > Eclipse model and castings in the ATIS area and was prepared > to sell a few sets of castings, I really could see no > problem. He was showing with his group of friends. > Technically, he was in the wrong. > So just where CAN you draw the line? I feel that there should > be a very flexible dividing line so all can be accommodated > without a lot of 'set in concrete' rules. > The solidifying of 'rules' always drives people away and > causes friction. > Trust me, I KNOW!!! > To me, Portland IS the greatest. Dont let the 'small minded' spoil it. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. From asouth at strato.net Tue Nov 23 13:44:32 2004 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:44:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) References: <41A27FF6.1020503@scrtc.com><004e01c4d136$05fe2f40$45111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <025f01c4d1a5$9f235b40$4b00a8c0@Arthur> I think you are right on that one Arnie! Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) > G'day Reg, > > The "selling thing" at Portland is one thing I think they do have right. > Since they charge ALL of the vendors for their "selling spots" (which > helps the overall finances for running the show), they do have to draw a > line somewhere on folks selling who have NOT paid for a "selling spot." > > The line that they've drawn is NO SELLING; nothing, nada, zip, zilch. > That is a clear, unambiguous rule. Even a FATG can understand that one. > > If I bring a few items to Portland that I want to sell, I have two legit > options. The first is to put them into the Trading Post. There the club > takes 10% off the top on everything that sells. I've got no problem with > that either. The other option is to ask one of many SEL friends who ARE > sellers if they would mind me putting my "For Sale" item in their area. > Courtesy dictates that you offer to buy 'em a sandwich or offer a beer as > a "thank you." If it's a big dollar item, I think it's also nice to offer > a financial "thank you." But that's just me. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > > > While I can see the sanity in having traders separated from the exhibitors, > > When my mate Tom Ball set up a table with his Eclipse model and castings in > > the ATIS area and was prepared to sell a few sets of castings, I really > > could see no problem. He was showing with his group of friends. Technically, > > he was in the wrong. > > So just where CAN you draw the line? I feel that there should be a very > > flexible dividing line so all can be accommodated without a lot of 'set in > > concrete' rules. > > The solidifying of 'rules' always drives people away and causes friction. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From asouth at strato.net Tue Nov 23 13:45:33 2004 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:45:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) References: <41A27FF6.1020503@scrtc.com><004e01c4d136$05fe2f40$45111bd3@athlon> <002501c4d16b$d05a4820$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: <026601c4d1a5$c32976a0$4b00a8c0@Arthur> I hear ya, Mike. Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) > Don't ya just hate it when Arnie makes sense? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:32 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) > > > > G'day Reg, > > > > The "selling thing" at Portland is one thing I think they do have right. > > Since they charge ALL of the vendors for their "selling spots" (which > > helps the overall finances for running the show), they do have to draw a > > line somewhere on folks selling who have NOT paid for a "selling spot." > > > > The line that they've drawn is NO SELLING; nothing, nada, zip, zilch. > > That is a clear, unambiguous rule. Even a FATG can understand that one. > > > > If I bring a few items to Portland that I want to sell, I have two legit > > options. The first is to put them into the Trading Post. There the club > > takes 10% off the top on everything that sells. I've got no problem with > > that either. The other option is to ask one of many SEL friends who ARE > > sellers if they would mind me putting my "For Sale" item in their area. > > Courtesy dictates that you offer to buy 'em a sandwich or offer a beer as > > a "thank you." If it's a big dollar item, I think it's also nice to offer > > a financial "thank you." But that's just me. > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > Arnie Fero > > Pittsburgh, PA > > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > > > > > While I can see the sanity in having traders separated from the > exhibitors, > > > When my mate Tom Ball set up a table with his Eclipse model and castings > in > > > the ATIS area and was prepared to sell a few sets of castings, I really > > > could see no problem. He was showing with his group of friends. > Technically, > > > he was in the wrong. > > > So just where CAN you draw the line? I feel that there should be a very > > > flexible dividing line so all can be accommodated without a lot of 'set > in > > > concrete' rules. > > > The solidifying of 'rules' always drives people away and causes > friction. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From marvhed at ecenet.com Tue Nov 23 14:09:43 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:09:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) In-Reply-To: <191.32e9d7ce.2ed4fd47@aol.com> References: <191.32e9d7ce.2ed4fd47@aol.com> Message-ID: <55252.199.62.0.252.1101247783.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> just for the record, this is from an article in the minneapolis tribune: <<>> marv in minn > In a message dated 11/23/2004 9:20:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, > BetCleve321 at aol.com writes: > > << The reason why he did that is that he had an assult rifle. > Said so on the news. >> > > > Yes, and the news said it was loaded with 20 bullets. Who needs a semi > automatic gun with 20 bullets to deer hunt? This is one of the greatest > tragic > reasons people want assault rifles banned. Virginia allows no more than 3 > shells in a shot gun. I own many guns and enjoy rabbit hunting with my > beagles, > but laws allowing assault rifles with 20 bullets for hunting are stupid! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 23 14:21:27 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:21:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) In-Reply-To: <55252.199.62.0.252.1101247783.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <191.32e9d7ce.2ed4fd47@aol.com> <55252.199.62.0.252.1101247783.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: Hi Marv, On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > just for the record, this is from an article in the minneapolis tribune: > > << Dennis Anderson, Star Tribune > November 23, 2004 HUNTERS1123.GUN > The weapon is often misrepresented as an "assault" rifle, Monson said, but Ahhhh, that's cos it doesn't have enough of the meaningless cosmetic features to qualify. It only has a grenade launcher and a bayonet. Add a pistol grip and a detatchable mag, and whoa boy! ASSAULT RIFLE! > the popular "sporterized," or hunting, version sold by Monson and used by > some deer hunters was not covered by the federal assault weapons ban that > recently expired. > > The trigger of the semiautomatic SKS must be pulled each time to fire a > round. Yeah, EXACTLY as one needs to do with every so-called "assault rifle" that WAS banned! More to the point though, why isn't this thread over on Slick Willy instead of on the SEL? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Nov 23 14:29:57 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:29:57 EST Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) Message-ID: <1d9.3082ab5d.2ed513e5@aol.com> In a message dated 11/23/2004 5:14:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, marvhed at ecenet.com writes: << The weapon is often misrepresented as an "assault" rifle, Monson said, but the popular "sporterized," or hunting, version sold by Monson and used by some deer hunters was not covered by the federal assault weapons ban that recently expired. >> Marvin, Highly controversial subject and only "not listed" as an assault rifle thru a technicality and very simply converted to automatic firing by purchase of minor parts at any "legal" gun show. Regardless whether fully automatic or semi automatic trigger, I will say again that any high powered gun with a load capacity of 20 rounds is not a hunting gun! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Nov 23 14:32:18 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:32:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) References: <41A27FF6.1020503@scrtc.com><004e01c4d136$05fe2f40$45111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <010b01c4d1ac$69eaeb80$180d1bd3@athlon> I apologise to the list for making an error in my previous mail. I put it wrong. He took orders for castings. didnt sell on site. That was what I felt was ok. I have no argument with the existing policy. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland PROBLEMS????? (not in this case) > G'day Reg, > > The "selling thing" at Portland is one thing I think they do have right. > Since they charge ALL of the vendors for their "selling spots" (which > helps the overall finances for running the show), they do have to draw a > line somewhere on folks selling who have NOT paid for a "selling spot." > > The line that they've drawn is NO SELLING; nothing, nada, zip, zilch. > That is a clear, unambiguous rule. Even a FATG can understand that one. > > If I bring a few items to Portland that I want to sell, I have two legit > options. The first is to put them into the Trading Post. There the club > takes 10% off the top on everything that sells. I've got no problem with > that either. The other option is to ask one of many SEL friends who ARE > sellers if they would mind me putting my "For Sale" item in their area. > Courtesy dictates that you offer to buy 'em a sandwich or offer a beer as > a "thank you." If it's a big dollar item, I think it's also nice to offer > a financial "thank you." But that's just me. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > > > While I can see the sanity in having traders separated from the exhibitors, > > When my mate Tom Ball set up a table with his Eclipse model and castings in > > the ATIS area and was prepared to sell a few sets of castings, I really > > could see no problem. He was showing with his group of friends. Technically, > > he was in the wrong. > > So just where CAN you draw the line? I feel that there should be a very > > flexible dividing line so all can be accommodated without a lot of 'set in > > concrete' rules. > > The solidifying of 'rules' always drives people away and causes friction. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Tue Nov 23 14:44:09 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:44:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) References: <191.32e9d7ce.2ed4fd47@aol.com> Message-ID: <008701c4d1ad$f379a700$201117d1@net.telenet.net> Tom, First off, the SKS IS NOT AN ASSAULT RIFLE. Second IF the new bills the Dems have introduced ever go through you will get your wish BUT you will also be turning in ANY semi-auto rifles YOU own. AND they also want to ban ANY semi-auto shotguns that were ever used by any military. Steve Williams I am the NRA http://www.nra.org/ http://www.mooreexposed.com/ Go here to read the truth about gun controls poster boy.... http://armingamericafraud.grimfacts.org/ And more about the Arming America Lies. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) > In a message dated 11/23/2004 9:20:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, > BetCleve321 at aol.com writes: > > << The reason why he did that is that he had an assult rifle. > Said so on the news. >> > > > Yes, and the news said it was loaded with 20 bullets. Who needs a semi > automatic gun with 20 bullets to deer hunt? This is one of the greatest tragic > reasons people want assault rifles banned. Virginia allows no more than 3 > shells in a shot gun. I own many guns and enjoy rabbit hunting with my beagles, > but laws allowing assault rifles with 20 bullets for hunting are stupid! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 23 15:14:18 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:14:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) In-Reply-To: <1d9.3082ab5d.2ed513e5@aol.com> References: <1d9.3082ab5d.2ed513e5@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom, On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Highly controversial subject and only "not listed" as an assault rifle thru a > technicality True!! As are a great many conventional hunting rifles. The ban was based on cosmetic features that made the rifles look "scary." > and very simply converted to automatic firing by purchase of > minor parts at any "legal" gun show. The SKS is NOT "simply converted" to full-auto. That is a myth. For rifles that CAN be converted to full auto, those conversion parts are regulated EXACTLY as are the full auto machine guns themselves. Both buyer and seller must have Federal Class 3 FFLs which entail more scrutiny into your life than most shooters are willing to bear and a $3000 fee on top of that. And, yes, machine guns may be legally bought and sold at gun shows providing that BOTH buyer and seller have Class 3 FFLs. And a helluva lot of money! A classic Tommy gun in shootable condition was going for ~$15,000 at my friendly local gun show this weekend. An Uzi was going in the range of $6,000 to $10,000 depending on features and condition. Full auto is a rich man's game. WAY too rich for me. > I will say again that any high powered gun with a load > capacity of 20 rounds is not a hunting gun! > Tom Schmutz I'll agree that anyone who would call himself a hunter sure as hell shouldn't NEED 20 rounds in the gun!! 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - Can we move this thread over to Slick Willy? Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Nov 23 15:04:26 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:04:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) Message-ID: <20041123.181813.524.5.jlb94@juno.com> The problem with the "Anti-Gun" people (Which includes the media ) is - They wouldn't know an assault weapon if it bit 'em in the ass. I don't care if the load capacity is 20 rounds or 2 rounds. Pretty soon they will be calling a B.B. Gun an "Assault Weapon". Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Nov 23 15:26:43 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:26:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) Message-ID: <20041123.182645.524.8.jlb94@juno.com> Is Tommy "Really" a judge ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Nov 23 15:42:29 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:42:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... In-Reply-To: <20041123.182645.524.8.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20041123.182645.524.8.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe, Yep! http://www.lincolnbicentennial.gov/bios/turner.html See ya, Arnie On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Is Tommy "Really" a judge ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Nov 23 16:02:01 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:02:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... In-Reply-To: References: <20041123.182645.524.8.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041123190040.13178a70@mail.alltel.net> At 06:42 PM 11/23/2004, you wrote: >Hi Joe, >Yep! http://www.lincolnbicentennial.gov/bios/turner.html >See ya, Arnie And it should be added that his is the ONLY courtroom in KY (perhaps the USA) in which one can smoke! Dave From falcon at telenet.net Tue Nov 23 16:24:09 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:24:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) References: <1d9.3082ab5d.2ed513e5@aol.com> Message-ID: <01e701c4d1bb$ead78960$201117d1@net.telenet.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Slick Willy" Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) > Hi Tom, > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > > Highly controversial subject and only "not listed" as an assault rifle thru a > > technicality > > True!! As are a great many conventional hunting rifles. The ban was > based on cosmetic features that made the rifles look "scary." Yep, not a SINGLE item in the ban made ANY difference to the way the firearms actually functioned. OH and don't forget that it ONLY banned new production and sales of new weapons, any that were already out there were still available. > > > and very simply converted to automatic firing by purchase of > > minor parts at any "legal" gun show. > > The SKS is NOT "simply converted" to full-auto. That is a myth. For > rifles that CAN be converted to full auto, those conversion parts are > regulated EXACTLY as are the full auto machine guns themselves. Both > buyer and seller must have Federal Class 3 FFLs which entail more scrutiny > into your life than most shooters are willing to bear and a $3000 fee on > top of that. > > And, yes, machine guns may be legally bought and sold at gun shows > providing that BOTH buyer and seller have Class 3 FFLs. And a helluva lot > of money! A classic Tommy gun in shootable condition was going for > ~$15,000 at my friendly local gun show this weekend. An Uzi was going in > the range of $6,000 to $10,000 depending on features and condition. Full > auto is a rich man's game. WAY too rich for me. > Not entirely correct Arnie. To purchase an NFA weapon, you must submit two sets of fingerprints, a recent photo, a sworn affidavit that transfer of the NFA firearm is of "reasonable necessity," and that sale to and possession of the weapon by the applicant "would be consistent with public safety" and endure a background investigation. In addition, the application must be signed by a chief law enforcement officer with jurisdiction in the applicant's residence. However you do need two class 3s IF your buying a weapon from another dealer out of state. BUT prices are REDICULOUS as you stated. Get caught with a drop in "auto-sear" for an AR-15 and not have the paperwork for it and you WILL spend time behind bars, Plus lose your rights to EVER own any firearms ever again, and spend BIG money paying fines. Since that is one part that can make an ILLEGAL unregistered machine gun. Making any machine gun is illegal. > > I will say again that any high powered gun with a load > > capacity of 20 rounds is not a hunting gun! > > Tom Schmutz > I'll agree that anyone who would call himself a hunter sure as hell > shouldn't NEED 20 rounds in the gun!! 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - Can we move this thread over to Slick Willy? > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Nov 23 17:20:54 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:20:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... In-Reply-To: References: <20041123.182645.524.8.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <41A3E1F6.6080003@scrtc.com> Arnie, A lot of people think that is a High School photo of me but its only about 5 years old. I've aged alot in that time! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Joe, > >Yep! http://www.lincolnbicentennial.gov/bios/turner.html > >See ya, Arnie > >On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > > > >>Is Tommy "Really" a judge ? >> >>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Nov 23 17:20:43 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:20:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... Message-ID: <20041123.203025.280.3.jlb94@juno.com> And it should be added that his is the ONLY courtroom in KY (perhaps the USA) in which one can smoke! Dave = = = = = Now that you've quit. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Nov 23 17:16:08 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:16:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... Message-ID: <20041123.203025.280.2.jlb94@juno.com> Oh Shit !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Nov 23 17:54:10 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:54:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IDEAL Message-ID: <20041123.205436.1116.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, The other day, my kid came home and said, "Do you want an IDEAL" ? What - Are You kidding ? Anyway - It found it's way to my truck and into the garage. It's solid rust - many broken or missing pieces - The hopper & base seem to be entact with no cracks - the mixer is there but rusted solid. It's stuck tight. The other day, I put a new Master Cylinder on my truck and used the spent brake fluid to "paint" some of the bolts and parts in hopes it will help in taking it apart. Can be seen at my Community.Webshots Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Nov 23 18:14:50 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:14:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... In-Reply-To: <20041123.203025.280.3.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20041123.203025.280.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041123211314.13164f30@mail.alltel.net> At 08:20 PM 11/23/2004, you wrote: >And it should be added that his is the ONLY courtroom in KY (perhaps the >USA) in which one can smoke! > Dave >= = = = = >Now that you've quit. >Joe "Pip" Betz It matters not that I quit. What matters is that The Judge is concerned with freedom and his roots! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Nov 23 18:15:56 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:15:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... In-Reply-To: <41A3E1F6.6080003@scrtc.com> References: <20041123.182645.524.8.jlb94@juno.com> <41A3E1F6.6080003@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041123211507.131b0018@mail.alltel.net> At 08:20 PM 11/23/2004, you wrote: >Arnie, >A lot of people think that is a High School photo of me but its only about >5 years old. I've aged alot in that time! >Tommy Turner Thank doG for the air brush, eh Tommy? Dave From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Nov 23 18:38:23 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:38:23 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... In-Reply-To: <41A3E1F6.6080003@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <200411240238.iAO2cTiS076540@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > A lot of people think that is a High School photo of me No Tommy, Most of us recognized the picture at the top of the page as Abe Lincoln, mainly due to our familiarity with the five dollar bill. Hopefully there will be at least a few more years until you're eligible to have your picture on any currency. Rob From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Nov 23 18:48:04 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:48:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IDEAL In-Reply-To: <20041123.205436.1116.0.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20041123.205436.1116.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041123214629.1318f218@mail.alltel.net> VERY nice find Joe. I take for granted that it will be displayed at the Hammer In and Plowing Days show in the Spring! Dave At 08:54 PM 11/23/2004, you wrote: >Hi List, > >The other day, my kid came home and said, "Do you want an IDEAL" ? > >What - Are You kidding ? > >Anyway - It found it's way to my truck and into the garage. > >It's solid rust - many broken or missing pieces - The hopper & base seem >to be entact with no cracks - the mixer is there but rusted solid. > >It's stuck tight. > >The other day, I put a new Master Cylinder on my truck and used the spent >brake fluid to "paint" some of the bolts and parts in hopes it will help >in taking it apart. > >Can be seen at my Community.Webshots > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > \/)"(\/ when He was tired." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 23 19:13:39 2004 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 03:13:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041124031339.2072.qmail@web25009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To all our American hunters We would quite happily export our 'Animal Rights' activists from the UK and soon you would not have any hunting in the US, with assault rifles or any other weapons. Fur coats have been a no show for years and now they have just succeeded in getting foxhunting banned. Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Nov 23 20:35:58 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:35:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... References: <20041123.203025.280.3.jlb94@juno.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041123211314.13164f30@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <002201c4d1df$18f04c10$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> You nailed it Dave. Freedom and it's roots. Queers are out of the closet to make room for smokers. Maybe I'll quit and maybe not. Should be my choice. For the others it is also their choice. My opinion of either won't change with government intervention. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... > At 08:20 PM 11/23/2004, you wrote: >>And it should be added that his is the ONLY courtroom in KY (perhaps the >>USA) in which one can smoke! >> Dave >>= = = = = >>Now that you've quit. >>Joe "Pip" Betz > > It matters not that I quit. What matters is that The Judge is concerned > with freedom and his roots! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Mickc at vic.australis.com.au Tue Nov 23 22:16:56 2004 From: Mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:16:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engines for sale, aussie list members Message-ID: <001401c4d1ed$33b43940$23a557ca@n> G'day All I have a heap of engines for sale due to lack of space. So if interested email me off list, and i'll send you a list of whats on offer. Cheers Mick Mickc at vic.australis.com.au ------------------------------------------------------ InterNet Australis http://www.australis.com.au/ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Nov 23 23:00:31 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:00:31 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... In-Reply-To: <002201c4d1df$18f04c10$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <200411240700.iAO70bt0099982@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> >Queers are out of the closet >Maybe I'll quit and maybe not. Should be my choice. Jeff, I applaud you for coming out of the closet. It was a very brave move, considering all the right-wingers who lurk here. Don't worry, just because we don't approve of your lifestyle doesn't mean we think you're a bad person. Rob From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Nov 24 01:09:25 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:09:25 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... References: <20041123.182645.524.8.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <001e01c4d205$4cd01030$8c9f0952@no1> See also our profile page. http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/intro.htm#turner Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:42 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... > Hi Joe, > > Yep! http://www.lincolnbicentennial.gov/bios/turner.html > > See ya, Arnie > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > > > Is Tommy "Really" a judge ? > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Nov 24 03:37:38 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:37:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... References: <20041123.182645.524.8.jlb94@juno.com> <41A3E1F6.6080003@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <021e01c4d21a$03b08820$180d1bd3@athlon> A likely tale!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... > Arnie, > > A lot of people think that is a High School photo of me but its only > about 5 years old. I've aged alot in that time! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Arnie Fero wrote: > > >Hi Joe, > > > >Yep! http://www.lincolnbicentennial.gov/bios/turner.html > > > >See ya, Arnie > > > >On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > > > > > > > >>Is Tommy "Really" a judge ? > >> > >>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > >> > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Nov 24 06:43:06 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:43:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Slick Willy In-Reply-To: <000c01c4d1c0$05bd3af0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> References: <000c01c4d1c0$05bd3af0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: Hi Folks, I've decided to copy the list on this reply to Jeff as there may be others who are wondering about "Slick Willy." Hi Jeff, Slick Willy is an email list like the SEL that Jim Dunmyer built back in the heyday of Monica & Slick Willy (anyone remember them?). There was just too much "politics" on the SEL and folks were bailing. You'll recognize a large number of the folks who post to Slick. 8-)) NOTHING is off-topic (or sacred). All oxen are gored at will. The politics tend to be right of center. 8-)) Liberals are welcome cos they're such fun to bait. You should give it a try. Send an email to slick-request at toltbbs.com with only: subscribe in the subject and/or body of the message. You'll receive a reply within a few minutes. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Jeff Allen wrote: > Just what is Slick Willy? A list? Want porn, do a google search using the term. From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Nov 24 07:25:16 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:25:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... Message-ID: <20041124.103905.1124.9.jlb94@juno.com> It matters not that I quit. What matters is that The Judge is concerned with freedom and his roots! Dave = = = = = And - I admire you for that. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Nov 24 07:14:46 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:14:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IDEAL Message-ID: <20041124.103905.1124.7.jlb94@juno.com> VERY nice find Joe. I take for granted that it will be displayed at the Hammer In and Plowing Days show in the Spring! Dave = = = = = LOL - - - Well - That would be nice but I sorta doubt it. It will take more than one winter to get it back in shape - - - IF I decide to restore. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Nov 23 18:29:15 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:29:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Wisconsin Tradegy - Here come da judge... In-Reply-To: <41A3E1F6.6080003@scrtc.com> References: <20041123.182645.524.8.jlb94@juno.com> <41A3E1F6.6080003@scrtc.com> Message-ID: If you knew Abe Lincoln, it's about time! On Nov 23, 2004, at 8:20 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Arnie, > A lot of people think that is a High School photo of me but its only > about 5 years old. I've aged alot in that time! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 24 09:50:11 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:50:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124123357.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, This past spring while at the Coolspring Show I came across an old air compressor. It was only $100.00 so I bought the thing. Several weeks ago I decided to see if it would pump air, and discovered that one fitting had been broken off. In order to get to the fitting to replace it, I had to take the compressor and motor and deck off the tank. While it was off I decided to restore the thing. In the process of the restoration I discovered a tag soldered to the tank indicating that the tank was tested to 200 lbs. and that it was made in 1926. The compressor is single stage and the motor on the unit is a 1 1/2 HP GE. Power is provided from the motor to the compressor via a 2" flat belt. The unit was made by The United States Air Compressor Co. of Cleveland Ohio. After some 110v/220v problems (due to my ignorance) which Rob straightened out for me, the compressor runs just fine and has no problem pumping 125 lbs. It then turns itself off and the mechanical pressure switch turns it back on when the pressure drops to 75 lbs. It's kinda a neat unit and will make it's new home in my son's (DJ's) garage! Pictures can be seen at: http://www.nightvisionweb.com/anvs_3105.htm Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 24 09:54:13 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:54:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Compressor Pictures Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124125059.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> OPPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! The pictures of my 1926 compressor are at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Roti_Eng/ NOT http://www.nightvisionweb.com/anvs_3105.htm (The latter is where Arnie is buying goggles instead of a flashlight!) SORRY! Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Nov 24 10:02:39 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:02:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Compressor Pictures In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124125059.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124125059.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Dave, Well as long as the Neo-Druid Dead Puppy Cult keeps scheduling the naked frolics for the nights of a new moon, it makes sense to me. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Dave Rotigel wrote: > http://www.nightvisionweb.com/anvs_3105.htm (The latter is where Arnie is > buying goggles instead of a flashlight!) SORRY! From curt at imc-group.com Wed Nov 24 10:26:35 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:26:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124123357.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124123357.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <41A4D25B.1080909@imc-group.com> Wow Dave! This is quite a transformation from the original condition a few months ago. See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Coolsprings2004/P6190172.JPG Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Ref restored: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/1926_Compressor/index.html Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi All, > This past spring while at the Coolspring Show I came across an old > air compressor. It was only $100.00 so I bought the thing. Several > weeks ago I decided to see if it would pump air, and discovered that > one fitting had been broken off. In order to get to the fitting to > replace it, I had to take the compressor and motor and deck off the > tank. While it was off I decided to restore the thing. > In the process of the restoration I discovered a tag soldered to > the tank indicating that the tank was tested to 200 lbs. and that it > was made in 1926. The compressor is single stage and the motor on the > unit is a 1 1/2 HP GE. Power is provided from the motor to the > compressor via a 2" flat belt. The unit was made by The United States > Air Compressor Co. of Cleveland Ohio. After some 110v/220v problems > (due to my ignorance) which Rob straightened out for me, the > compressor runs just fine and has no problem pumping 125 lbs. It then > turns itself off and the mechanical pressure switch turns it back on > when the pressure drops to 75 lbs. It's kinda a neat unit and will > make it's new home in my son's (DJ's) garage! > Pictures can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/1926_Compressor/index.html > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 24 12:04:37 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:04:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor In-Reply-To: <41A4D25B.1080909@imc-group.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124123357.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> <41A4D25B.1080909@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124145803.13301ec0@mail.alltel.net> Hi Curt, GREAT! I didn't have any "before" pictures--now I do! I also, now, remember how I got the thing home from Coolspring! Damned if I could remember. Guess I was having too much fun that day! Dave PS, DJ, Please add this one ( http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Coolsprings2004/P6190172.JPG) to the Compressor Pictures. If you can put it up first that would be great. LY Me At 01:26 PM 11/24/2004, you wrote: >Wow Dave! This is quite a transformation from the original condition a few >months ago. See: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Coolsprings2004/P6190172.JPG >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC >Ref restored: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/1926_Compressor/index.html > >Dave Rotigel wrote: > >>Hi All, >> This past spring while at the Coolspring Show I came across an old >> air compressor. It was only $100.00 so I bought the thing. Several weeks >> ago I decided to see if it would pump air, and discovered that one >> fitting had been broken off. In order to get to the fitting to replace >> it, I had to take the compressor and motor and deck off the tank. While >> it was off I decided to restore the thing. >> In the process of the restoration I discovered a tag soldered to the >> tank indicating that the tank was tested to 200 lbs. and that it was >> made in 1926. The compressor is single stage and the motor on the unit >> is a 1 1/2 HP GE. Power is provided from the motor to the compressor via >> a 2" flat belt. The unit was made by The United States Air Compressor >> Co. of Cleveland Ohio. After some 110v/220v problems (due to my >> ignorance) which Rob straightened out for me, the compressor runs just >> fine and has no problem pumping 125 lbs. It then turns itself off and >> the mechanical pressure switch turns it back on when the pressure drops >> to 75 lbs. It's kinda a neat unit and will make it's new home in my >> son's (DJ's) garage! >> Pictures can be seen at: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/1926_Compressor/index.html > >> Dave >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 24 12:52:20 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:52:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Compressor Pictures References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124125059.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <008f01c4d267$81807380$210110ac@PaulMaples> Dave this is a beautiful restoration which is typical of your work. Great job and thanks for posting the pictures. I cannot wait to see this superb of a restoration on your Ideal Lawnmower. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 11:54 AM Subject: [SEL] Compressor Pictures > OPPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! The pictures of my 1926 compressor are at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Roti_Eng/ NOT > http://www.nightvisionweb.com/anvs_3105.htm (The latter is where Arnie is > buying goggles instead of a flashlight!) SORRY! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Nov 24 13:07:49 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:07:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124145803.13301ec0@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124123357.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> <41A4D25B.1080909@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124145803.13301ec0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Dave, The compressor rode home from Coolspring on the trailer in front of my Bessemer half-breed. That pic of Curt's is on the trailer. In the background of the pic you can see the support posts for the "roof" over the half-breed and the face of the steamer where the gas cylinder was removed. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Coolsprings2004/P6190172.JPG See ya, Arnie On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Dave Rotigel wrote: > GREAT! I didn't have any "before" pictures--now I do! I also, now, > remember how I got the thing home from Coolspring! Damned if I could > remember. Guess I was having too much fun that day! From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 24 13:20:30 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:20:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124123357.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> <41A4D25B.1080909@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124145803.13301ec0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124161556.132bd480@mail.alltel.net> At 04:07 PM 11/24/2004, Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Dave, >The compressor rode home from Coolspring on the trailer in front of my >Bessemer half-breed. That pic of Curt's is on the trailer. In the >background of the pic you can see the support posts for the "roof" over >the half-breed and the face of the steamer where the gas cylinder was >removed. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Coolsprings2004/P6190172.JPG >See ya, Arnie Hi Arnie, Yes, I remembered that upon seeing the picture. How in the hell did we get the antique hack saw home? WOW I really must have been having fun! Dave PS, Did you recognize the gal "swigging" white wine in the background of Curt's picture? From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Nov 24 13:44:55 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:44:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124161556.132bd480@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124123357.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> <41A4D25B.1080909@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124145803.13301ec0@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124161556.132bd480@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Dave, On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Yes, I remembered that upon seeing the picture. How in the hell > did we get the antique hack saw home? WOW I really must have been having fun! My trailer? > PS, Did you recognize the gal "swigging" white wine in the background of > Curt's picture? Yeah, wot a boozer!! See ya, Arnie PS - Did you notice that white-bearded pervert in the background? Looks like he's stealing tools from that truck!! From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 24 14:12:39 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:12:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What is Hylomar ? References: <20041118.001131.1020.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <00c201c4d272$b6c9ce00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > experiment with some Hylomar on that top surface , > It allows dissasembly and reuse .Lot of the gummers prefer grease . > And for good reason . > = = = = = > What's Hylomar ? Permatex makes it , looks like blue gel toothpaste . Gasket dressing , not gasket maker . Fills small imperfections and doesnt set up so you can get the joint apart later . Specified in my HD45 WL military bike manual . Been around a long time . From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 24 14:33:12 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:33:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124123357.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> <41A4D25B.1080909@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124145803.13301ec0@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124161556.132bd480@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124172419.132ce870@mail.alltel.net> >Hi Dave, >On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > Yes, I remembered that upon seeing the picture. How in the hell > > did we get the antique hack saw home? WOW I really must have been > having fun! >My trailer? > > PS, Did you recognize the gal "swigging" white wine in the background of > > Curt's picture? >Yeah, wot a boozer!! >See ya, Arnie >PS - Did you notice that white-bearded pervert in the background? Looks >like he's stealing tools from that truck!! It's my understanding that the old pervert with the white beard was arrested for theft and in now serving time. (I get this 2nd hand, so it may not be true.) The gal, I understand, used to dance at Climax l. I'll have to ask Nick what here stage name was. When I find out I'll let you know--I'm sure that you will recognize the name! Dave From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Nov 24 14:37:38 2004 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:37:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124123357.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> <41A4D25B.1080909@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124145803.13301ec0@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124161556.132bd480@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001d01c4d276$34123980$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> Those dang NC hillbillies "Uncle Dallas and Aunt Linda" bear watching! Great job on the compressor! I have done over a dozen of the 1950's era Brunners, which are not only far superior to the Japanese knockoff "FERO", but all of mine are finished and RUNNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor > Hi Dave, > > On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > > Yes, I remembered that upon seeing the picture. How in the hell > > did we get the antique hack saw home? WOW I really must have been having fun! > > My trailer? > > > PS, Did you recognize the gal "swigging" white wine in the background of > > Curt's picture? > > Yeah, wot a boozer!! > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - Did you notice that white-bearded pervert in the background? Looks > like he's stealing tools from that truck!! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Nov 24 14:46:03 2004 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:46:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124123357.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> <41A4D25B.1080909@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124145803.13301ec0@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124161556.132bd480@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <002f01c4d277$6100cc80$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> Dave: I forgot to mention, I may have the correct style air cleaner you so desperately need, and if you bring that hunk of junk to Asheville in October, I will double, that's right, DOUBLE your money on it. No, no don't thank me, you know my motto, "give,give,give, and never take". MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor > Hi Dave, > > On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > > Yes, I remembered that upon seeing the picture. How in the hell > > did we get the antique hack saw home? WOW I really must have been having fun! > > My trailer? > > > PS, Did you recognize the gal "swigging" white wine in the background of > > Curt's picture? > > Yeah, wot a boozer!! > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - Did you notice that white-bearded pervert in the background? Looks > like he's stealing tools from that truck!! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Nov 24 15:05:14 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:05:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What is Hylomar ? In-Reply-To: <00c201c4d272$b6c9ce00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <20041118.001131.1020.2.jlb94@juno.com> <00c201c4d272$b6c9ce00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:12:39 -0600, you wrote: > > >> experiment with some Hylomar on that top surface , >> It allows dissasembly and reuse .Lot of the gummers prefer grease . >> And for good reason . >> = = = = = >> What's Hylomar ? > > >Permatex makes it , looks like blue gel toothpaste . >Gasket dressing , not gasket maker . Fills small imperfections >and doesnt set up so you can get the joint apart later . >Specified in my HD45 WL military bike manual . >Been around a long time . Originally developed by Rolls-Royce, now licenced out to loads of people in the engine world including Perkins, caterpillar etc etc. It is a gasket jointing compound, often used where a gasket is not allowed or not practicable, but also used OB gaskets. Comes as an aerosol or in a tube. Peter From dcox at triad.rr.com Wed Nov 24 15:08:50 2004 From: dcox at triad.rr.com (Dallas Cox) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:08:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124123357.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> <41A4D25B.1080909@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124145803.13301ec0@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124161556.132bd480@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <004201c4d27a$8fd74770$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Darn it....I got caught!! As for Dallas, you never know what he's into.....I don't remember any extras in the truck when we got home!! Dave, The compressor looks GREAT....beautiful job! :>) We hope everyone has a safe and happy Thanksgiving and don't eat tooooooooo much. Dallas is going to be playing with his latest toy...another oil field engine! It followed him home last weekend! I said "Merry Christmas"! HO..HO..HO! Dallas and Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor > Hi Dave, > > On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > > Yes, I remembered that upon seeing the picture. How in the hell > > did we get the antique hack saw home? WOW I really must have been having fun! > > My trailer? > > > PS, Did you recognize the gal "swigging" white wine in the background of > > Curt's picture? > > Yeah, wot a boozer!! > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - Did you notice that white-bearded pervert in the background? Looks > like he's stealing tools from that truck!! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Nov 23 10:01:55 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:01:55 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) References: <1c9.2101f49e.2ed49d70@aol.com> <43963.199.62.0.252.1101220486.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <002601c4d186$85f782f0$8c9f0952@no1> Thanks for that Marv. They are a race that I haven't heard of in the English media. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) > also read this article about the Hmong concerns. > http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5099915.html > > > marv in minn > > > > > In a message dated 11/22/2004 10:59:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > cjclem at sysim.net writes: > > > > A hunter went beserk & killed 6, injured 2 more over deer hunting > > fracas. # 6 died this eve. > > http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/21/wisconsin.shootings/ > > > > > > > > The reason why he did that is that he had an assult rifle. > > Said so on the news. > > > > Skip > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Nov 24 17:27:14 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:27:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) References: <20041123.182645.524.8.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <003c01c4d28d$e56c7ad0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Joe, Heres another article on the judge's kewl engine. http://www.gasenginemagazine.com/1104/story.asp Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) > Is Tommy "Really" a judge ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > \/)"(\/ when He was tired." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Nov 24 19:49:21 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:49:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Tradegy (ot) Message-ID: <20041124.225522.880.7.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Jeff, Yes - I read that article in it's entirety - and - Was much impressed. I usually do not read ALL the article. This one kept my attention. Thanks, Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Nov 24 19:42:22 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:42:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Compressor Pictures Message-ID: <20041124.225522.880.6.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Dave, You don't waste any time - Do you ? It looks a little different than at Coolsprings. Nice Job. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Nov 24 20:11:07 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:11:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Compressor Pictures In-Reply-To: <20041124.225522.880.6.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20041124.225522.880.6.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124230902.02350e58@mail.alltel.net> At 10:42 PM 11/24/2004, you wrote: >Hi Dave, >You don't waste any time - Do you ? >Joe "Pip" Betz Hi Joe, That's exactly what Jennie said to me last night--but I don't think she meant it in the same way you do! Dave From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Nov 25 06:30:52 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:30:52 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Cheffins sale cataloge Message-ID: <000701c4d2fb$5ee75660$8c9f0952@no1> Sale over so its safe to look without going bankrupt. See http://www.cheffins.co.uk/version2/vintage/tractorssteam/catalogues/2004/041015fleggburgh/ The main interest about engines seems to be in the 600-700 section. Might be a bit slow if your not on broadband. I picked this up from the UK newsgroup. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From mrengine at comcast.net Thu Nov 25 09:02:20 2004 From: mrengine at comcast.net (mrengine at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:02:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] HAPPY THANKSGIVING Message-ID: <112520041702.6634.41A6101C0007F72E000019EA22007503300A020709020A9D03@comcast.net> Happy Thanksgiving everyone!We have much to be thankful for. Frank From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 25 09:47:45 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:47:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] eBay: Buffalo Forge Blacksmiths Blower - Cheap! Message-ID: FYI ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 08:46:28 -0800 View this Item on eBay at http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnter&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D6133680540%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1&partner=777701 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Buffalo Forge Blacksmiths Blower Pully Driven Item number: 6133680540 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Created by eBay Seller's Assistant Basic v.3.5.071. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Protect yourself from Spoof (fake) emails. Learn More at http://pages.ebay.com/education/spooftutorial. You are receiving this email because the sender thought you would be interested in this eBay item. You can report this message as unwanted (spam) email at http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ReportEmailAbuseshow. Learn more about spam email at http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/rfe-spam-ov.html. As outlined in our User Agreement, eBay will periodically send you information about site changes and enhancements. Visit our Privacy Policy at http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/privacy-policy.html and User Agreement at http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html if you have any questions. Copyright ? 2004 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners. eBay and the eBay logo are trademarks of eBay Inc. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 25 10:01:16 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:01:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Compressor Pictures In-Reply-To: <20041124.225522.880.6.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20041124.225522.880.6.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Damn those seven-day weekend guys anyway!! On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > You don't waste any time - Do you ? > It looks a little different than at Coolsprings. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Nov 25 10:17:05 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:17:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor In-Reply-To: <001d01c4d276$34123980$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124123357.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> <41A4D25B.1080909@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124145803.13301ec0@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124161556.132bd480@mail.alltel.net> <001d01c4d276$34123980$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: <1101406625.41a621a1d0a8d@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Mike, THIS is the ONLY thing those damn Brunner compressors are any good for! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3853408738&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT Feel the love? See ya, Arnie Arnnie FERO Pittsburgh, PA (Home of the Fero Compressor) fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting Mike Royster : > Great job on the compressor! I have done over a dozen of the 1950's era > Brunners, which are not only far superior to the Japanese knockoff "FERO", > but all of mine are finished and RUNNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com Wed Nov 24 07:29:11 2004 From: Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com (Stojanov) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:29:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] TOMMY IS BACK! Message-ID: <000001c4d23a$59c252a0$666c4342@yourtwa0macjqu> Dear List, Hello, sorry about not posting on the list during these recent months. It has come to my attention that people have become worried about me, and I'd like you to know that I'm still around. My spam mail problem is huge, over 90% of my mail has become spam, and I recently upgraded Outlook express versions, which is one of the reasons I miss important mail (one of my fingers is always on the delete key!) On another note, I have acquired some new iron, I have a pair of wind generators- a 6V Crossley Windcharger with tower and a 6V Paris Dunn generator. The last engine I bought was a Hercules/ Arco GH on a spray rig. Next engine I am getting is a 2hp Jaeger in the mixer (hard rubber tires.) I also have an old snowmobile now (a little off topic), a 1967 Skidoo Olympique. This also lead to me purchasing a pair of newer snowmobiles, 2 Yamaha SRV540's, and eventually lead to me acquiring a 1980's Yamaha 3 wheeler. That pretty much sums it up for the iron as of now. See ya later. Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov From BillMil357 at aol.com Thu Nov 25 15:26:08 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 18:26:08 EST Subject: [SEL] TOMMY IS BACK! Message-ID: <12a.5139e806.2ed7c410@aol.com> Hey Tommy; Glad you are back, sounds like you will soon have enough toys to have your own show Ha Ha. Have a nice Thanksgiving. See you, Bill Miller Memphis, TN. From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Nov 25 16:17:39 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:17:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Happy Thanksgiving Message-ID: <001901c4d34d$574be270$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hi all, Yup it's an American thing, but we enjoy it. Had a great one here, and hope the same for all of you. Good food and family. The last one is the most important. Jeff Allen From Aermoter at aol.com Thu Nov 25 17:20:29 2004 From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 20:20:29 EST Subject: [SEL] Happy Thanksgiving Message-ID: <144.39a2fe5f.2ed7dedd@aol.com> It was a real joy to see my two little Russian's, now American's dig into all that food. They just could not believe how much food there was to eat. Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. Aermoter at aol.com From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Nov 25 18:38:23 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 21:38:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Happy Thanksgiving In-Reply-To: <144.39a2fe5f.2ed7dedd@aol.com> References: <144.39a2fe5f.2ed7dedd@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041125213537.021b9ad8@mail.alltel.net> At 08:20 PM 11/25/2004, you wrote: >It was a real joy to see my two little Russian's, now American's dig into all >that food. They just could not believe how much food there was to eat. >Tim Christoff Hi Tim' We all have lots to be thankful for this Thanksgiving. Your children are lucky to have you and your wife--and you them! Thanks for sharing them with us! Dave From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Nov 25 18:40:11 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 21:40:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic Message-ID: <41A6978B.4000505@scrtc.com> This is somewhat off topic but not totally. The first pickup truck I remember my dad driving was a 1940 Chevy. I can barely remember riding in it (I was probably 5 or 6 at the time). I want to find one and put an engine in the bed to drive to local shows, parades, fairs, etc. Anybody out there know of a pretty nice old '40 chevy pickup that might be had? I would consider a '39 as they were basically the same truck. I'm a bit leery of ebay as unless I can physically view a truck, they can be a piece of junk but look good in photos. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Nov 25 20:53:30 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 21:53:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Happy Thanksgiving References: <144.39a2fe5f.2ed7dedd@aol.com> Message-ID: <000f01c4d373$e0b64d40$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Our hearts sing together as I had two short ones here today. Ain't life grand!! Keep us posted on the lads. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Happy Thanksgiving > It was a real joy to see my two little Russian's, now American's dig into > all > that food. They just could not believe how much food there was to eat. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor, Ks. > Aermoter at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Nov 26 03:33:31 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:33:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The Eagle Has Landed References: <1c0.20e3eb05.2ed200bb@aol.com> Message-ID: <000c01c4d3ab$c22c0670$a5c5ecdc@morris> G'Day all Delayed news because of a hard drive failure, but now back to normal. Two stories in one, as some of you know I bought a large piece of American iron back in April it now has arrived in OZ. First story, Is the unbelievable effort Keith Kinney put into finding the engine in WV, going to get it and taking in back to Evansville IN before he and his dad did a fantastic job of crating it and then taking the load to Chicago for shipment to Australia. I will never be able to thank Keith enough for all the effort he put into this project to ensure it worked out the way it did. Once again engine people have proved they are the greatest group in the world and I proud to be part of it. Second story, Not an engine every body wants, but they took my eye when I was in the States in 2001. There are none in OZ and as.it weighs in over two tons it should be an attraction when it hits the rally field here. if your would like to see it http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Reid.html Kerry Kerry Morris Lithgow N.S.W OZ Friends in Engine Web: http://members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Nov 26 03:57:36 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:57:36 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The Eagle Has Landed In-Reply-To: <000c01c4d3ab$c22c0670$a5c5ecdc@morris> Message-ID: <200411261224.iAQCOENK005123@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Good to see it finally made it safely to Oz. It will be impressive on the Aussie rally scene. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Not an engine every body wants, but they took my eye when I was in the States in 2001. There are none in OZ and as.it weighs in over two tons it should be an attraction when it hits the rally field here. if your would like to see it http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Reid.html Kerry From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Nov 26 08:11:23 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:11:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Happy Thanksgiving References: <144.39a2fe5f.2ed7dedd@aol.com> Message-ID: A fine example of a real Thanksgiving, Tim. Very kewl!!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Happy Thanksgiving > It was a real joy to see my two little Russian's, now American's dig into > all > that food. They just could not believe how much food there was to eat. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor, Ks. > Aermoter at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Nov 26 08:18:31 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:18:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Compressor Pictures References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124125059.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Super Job as usual. I especially like those ole motors!! If nothing else, just to hear them start up. Take Care, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 10:54 AM Subject: [SEL] Compressor Pictures > OPPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! The pictures of my 1926 compressor are at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Roti_Eng/ NOT > http://www.nightvisionweb.com/anvs_3105.htm (The latter is where Arnie is > buying goggles instead of a flashlight!) SORRY! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Nov 26 09:22:39 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:22:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic Message-ID: <20041126.122428.1280.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Tommy, Around here (Pittsburgh, PA) we have a local magazine called "trader". Truck Trader - Car Trader - Antique Car Trader - Etc. It's available at the local convenience stores - FREE. and most of the cars are local. See if you have them around you. = = = = = = = = = = I would be leery of e-bay also, but I have a buddy that has bought a couple cars from e-bay and he is well satisfied. Right now he is/was looking at a Green Chevy Caprice- I think '68. Last I looked it was around $8,000 (Reserve Not Met) and it is a very nice looking car. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Nov 26 09:53:09 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:53:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic In-Reply-To: <20041126.122428.1280.4.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20041126.122428.1280.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <41A76D85.5050909@scrtc.com> Joe, I have seen those at some of the local stores and have, on occasion, looked at them to see what some of old vehicles are in them. Ususally most of the vehicles are in the 10 - 20 year old range and I haven't haven't seen any '39 or '40 PU in them. But, I should pay more attention to them as if one is listed in them, it would probalby be a much better bargain than what I would find in one of the classic / antique vehicle trader publications. Thanks for the tip and I'll give them a view. TT jlb94 at juno.com wrote: >Hi Tommy, > >Around here (Pittsburgh, PA) we have a local magazine called "trader". > >Truck Trader - Car Trader - Antique Car Trader - Etc. > >It's available at the local convenience stores - FREE. and most of the >cars are local. > >See if you have them around you. >= = = = = = = = = > = > >I would be leery of e-bay also, but I have a buddy that has bought a >couple cars from e-bay and he is well satisfied. > >Right now he is/was looking at a Green Chevy Caprice- I think '68. Last >I looked >it was around $8,000 (Reserve Not Met) and it is a very nice looking car. > > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > \/)"(\/ when He was tired." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Nov 26 12:51:40 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:51:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic References: <41A6978B.4000505@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <005201c4d3f9$bafe9360$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Tommy, Take a look here: http://www.hemmings.com/ Jeff Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 7:40 PM Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic > This is somewhat off topic but not totally. The first pickup truck I > remember my dad driving was a 1940 Chevy. I can barely remember riding > in it (I was probably 5 or 6 at the time). I want to find one and put > an engine in the bed to drive to local shows, parades, fairs, etc. > Anybody out there know of a pretty nice old '40 chevy pickup that might > be had? I would consider a '39 as they were basically the same truck. > I'm a bit leery of ebay as unless I can physically view a truck, they > can be a piece of junk but look good in photos. Thanks. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, Ky > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Nov 26 14:02:43 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 09:02:43 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Russel Gilbert References: <1c0.20e3eb05.2ed200bb@aol.com> <000c01c4d3ab$c22c0670$a5c5ecdc@morris> Message-ID: <001701c4d403$a7e26900$a5c5ecdc@morris> Could someone give me Russel's dads new email thanks Kerry From rexhinz at chorus.net Fri Nov 26 14:17:52 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:17:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic References: <41A6978B.4000505@scrtc.com> <005201c4d3f9$bafe9360$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <000801c4d405$ca5b42c0$7c86a5d8@mycomputer> Tommy; Heres another site http://www.oldchevytruck.com/chevytrucksforsale/ Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic > Tommy, > > Take a look here: http://www.hemmings.com/ > > Jeff Allen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 7:40 PM > Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic > > > > This is somewhat off topic but not totally. The first pickup truck I > > remember my dad driving was a 1940 Chevy. I can barely remember riding > > in it (I was probably 5 or 6 at the time). I want to find one and put > > an engine in the bed to drive to local shows, parades, fairs, etc. > > Anybody out there know of a pretty nice old '40 chevy pickup that might > > be had? I would consider a '39 as they were basically the same truck. > > I'm a bit leery of ebay as unless I can physically view a truck, they > > can be a piece of junk but look good in photos. Thanks. > > > > Tommy Turner > > Magnolia, Ky > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Nov 26 14:53:13 2004 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 09:53:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Russel Gilbert In-Reply-To: <001701c4d403$a7e26900$a5c5ecdc@morris> References: <1c0.20e3eb05.2ed200bb@aol.com> <000c01c4d3ab$c22c0670$a5c5ecdc@morris> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20041127095232.00b6ccc8@mail.ncable.com.au> G'day Kerry try: sumron at optusnet.com.au Should find them with this. Cheers, Russell At 09:02 AM 27/11/2004 +1100, you wrote: >Could someone give me Russel's dads new email >thanks > >Kerry >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Nov 26 15:08:15 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:08:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portable abrasive blaster Message-ID: <000601c4d40c$cfee1800$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hi all, I have access to a blasting cabinet at work, but it won't cut it for larger items such as flywheels. My search for portable blasters overwhelmed me, so I figured I'd turn to the lists. What are you guys, and gals, using for this type of rust removal. What works and doesn't work? I have a 4HP compressor with a 13 gallon tank, so that is an issue also cause it ain't gonna get bigger any time soon. This will be one of my Christmas presents also. I pick what I want and tell her what and where to buy. Works great and I don't have crap I don't need or want. She does the same, by the way, and it works. Thanks in advance and ... Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com Thu Nov 25 15:21:04 2004 From: Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com (Stojanov) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 18:21:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IM BACK! Message-ID: <001001c4d345$6f85cb60$666c4342@yourtwa0macjqu> Dear List, Hello, sorry about not posting on the list during these recent months. It has come to my attention that people have become worried about me, and I'd like you to know that I'm still around. My spam mail problem is huge, over 90% of my mail has become spam, and I recently upgraded Outlook express versions, which is one of the reasons I miss important mail (one of my fingers is always on the delete key!) On another note, I have acquired some new iron, I have a pair of wind generators- a 6V Crossley Windcharger with tower and a 6V Paris Dunn generator. The last engine I bought was a Hercules/ Arco GH on a spray rig. Next engine I am getting is a 2hp Jaeger in the mixer (hard rubber tires.) I also have an old snowmobile now (a little off topic), a 1967 Skidoo Olympique. This also lead to me purchasing a pair of newer snowmobiles, 2 Yamaha SRV540's, and eventually lead to me acquiring a 1980's Yamaha 3 wheeler. That pretty much sums it up for the iron as of now. See ya later. Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov From lfevans at pacbell.net Fri Nov 26 16:19:51 2004 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:19:51 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Deutz engine help needed Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20041126155132.02154838@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Hi...... I am trying to get any information I can on what I think is a Deutz vertical single cylinder probably two stroke cycle diesel engine. See a picture at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/deutz/ I was contacted by a person who is about to go back to the family property in Mexico and would like to try to get it running again if possible. All I know about the engine is that it says "Deutz" on the oiler. If you can verify that it is a Deutz engine, possible age, source of parts and/or engine manual, etc. please let me know and I will pass the information on to the owner Thanks, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From namhel at supernet.com Fri Nov 26 17:40:23 2004 From: namhel at supernet.com (LYNN LEHMAN) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:40:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic Message-ID: <410-220041162714023440@supernet.com> Tommy if you get a chance check out Hemmings motor news or go to their web site at: http://www.hemmings.com/index.cfm From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Nov 26 18:58:04 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:58:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic In-Reply-To: <000801c4d405$ca5b42c0$7c86a5d8@mycomputer> References: <41A6978B.4000505@scrtc.com> <005201c4d3f9$bafe9360$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <000801c4d405$ca5b42c0$7c86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <41A7ED3C.60907@scrtc.com> Rex, Thats a good site. Thanks for the tip. I'll keep and eye out on what shows up there for sale. Tommy Rex Hinz wrote: >Tommy; > > Heres another site http://www.oldchevytruck.com/chevytrucksforsale/ > > Rex Hinz >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jeff Allen" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 2:51 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic > > > > >>Tommy, >> >>Take a look here: http://www.hemmings.com/ >> >>Jeff Allen >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 7:40 PM >>Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic >> >> >> >> >>>This is somewhat off topic but not totally. The first pickup truck I >>>remember my dad driving was a 1940 Chevy. I can barely remember riding >>>in it (I was probably 5 or 6 at the time). I want to find one and put >>>an engine in the bed to drive to local shows, parades, fairs, etc. >>>Anybody out there know of a pretty nice old '40 chevy pickup that might >>>be had? I would consider a '39 as they were basically the same truck. >>>I'm a bit leery of ebay as unless I can physically view a truck, they >>>can be a piece of junk but look good in photos. Thanks. >>> >>>Tommy Turner >>>Magnolia, Ky >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Nov 26 19:00:22 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:00:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic In-Reply-To: <410-220041162714023440@supernet.com> References: <410-220041162714023440@supernet.com> Message-ID: <41A7EDC6.4060004@scrtc.com> Thanks Lynn. I checked there classifieds but didn't find anything. I'll keep checking back with them. Thanks again. Tommy LYNN LEHMAN wrote: >Tommy if you get a chance check out Hemmings motor news or go to their web site at: http://www.hemmings.com/index.cfm >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From brock at netspeed.com.au Fri Nov 26 21:14:53 2004 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:14:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The Eagle Has Landed References: <1c0.20e3eb05.2ed200bb@aol.com> <000c01c4d3ab$c22c0670$a5c5ecdc@morris> Message-ID: <003001c4d440$09e6e9a0$5f11fea9@merlin> Good to see the engine is fiinaly here mate it will good to see it run maybe you could have a new years day fire up ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 10:33 PM Subject: [SEL] The Eagle Has Landed > G'Day all > > Delayed news because of a hard drive failure, but now back to normal. > > Two stories in one, as some of you know I bought a large piece of American > iron back in April it now has arrived in OZ. > > First story, > Is the unbelievable effort Keith Kinney put into finding the engine in WV, > going to get it and taking in back to Evansville IN before he and his dad > did a fantastic job of crating it and then taking the load to Chicago for > shipment to Australia. I will never be able to thank Keith enough for all > the effort he put into this project to ensure it worked out the way it > did. > Once again engine people have proved they are the greatest group in the > world and I proud to be part of it. > > Second story, > Not an engine every body wants, but they took my eye when I was in the > States in 2001. There are none in OZ and as.it weighs in over two tons it > should be an attraction when it hits the rally field here. > if your would like to see it > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Reid.html > > Kerry > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow N.S.W OZ > > Friends in Engine > > Web: http://members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From brianne at ultratune.com.au Sat Nov 27 00:53:32 2004 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:53:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hervey Bay Museum (QLD) Australia Message-ID: <005701c4d45e$93ab54f0$6d55dccb@pcuser> Hi Guys The IH 3m is almost ready to start. Thanks for all the help on the way. I have put up a web page for the Museum (Space courtesy of museums.com in Germany) You may find some of the pictures of interest. Not fully completed yet. Need more time. Where does all the time go when you retire??? I would never have time to go to work now, too busy. Isn't life wonderful? Having our Xmas party on Sunday. Yee Haa! Brian (Hervey bay Historical Society Museum) From brianne at ultratune.com.au Sat Nov 27 00:55:54 2004 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:55:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Senior moment.... Message-ID: <006201c4d45e$e7f53e40$6d55dccb@pcuser> Senior moment.... It would help a lot if I gave you the address of the Hervey Bay Museum web site, would it not? http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html Thanks.... Brian From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Sat Nov 27 04:04:23 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:04:23 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re:The Eagle has landed Message-ID: <20041127120423.44902.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com> G'day Kerry Nice...a very desirable, oddball looking engine, the Reid. Will be great to see running, your pics show it all well. The Kinneys deserve a cold (OZ) beer for doing a fine crating job! Let me see...a later email from you is trying to contact Gilbo's old man, so that means you could be in the market for a quality Reid fuel tank or a Reid cooling tank, and if that's the case then you must be in a hurry...and the National rally is coming up soon...and wait a minute...you ain't planning to take it to Naracoorte are ya? Gee...duh...I'm rool smart I am, yup. Now get out to that shed and stop reading emails! Cheers Graham in Melb. Message: 1 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:33:31 +1100 From: "Kerry" Subject: [SEL] The Eagle Has Landed To: "The SEL email discussion list" G'Day all Delayed news because of a hard drive failure, but now back to normal. Two stories in one, as some of you know I bought a large piece of American iron back in April it now has arrived in OZ. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Nov 27 07:15:47 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:15:47 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Is this the way to be a salesman? Message-ID: <004501c4d493$fa2fbc90$8c9f0952@no1> See http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2030&item=4506535663 I don't think you could sell an engine this way. 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From oursecretgarden at interlinc.net Sat Nov 27 07:21:41 2004 From: oursecretgarden at interlinc.net (OUR SECRET GARDEN BED & BREAKFAST) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 09:21:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] ABRASIVE BLASTER Message-ID: <010a01c4d494$cc594fb0$8a64a00c@S0029387856> A reply to Jeff Allen about a portable abrasive blaster. I purchased a 20 gal. complete blaster from a local Harbor freight store (www.harborfreight.com) item # 40925. I also purchased a new air compressor model H4519 from a local Grizzly industrial store (www.grizzly.com) This is a 3hp 220 volt unit. It will produce 9.1 cfm @ 90 psi. (the blaster uses 6-25 cfm) The problem with the compressor is that it is supplied with a 1/4" quick disconnect fitting. To get the 9 cfm you will need 1/2" supply line. I had a buddy weld a 1/2" nipple on the bell end of the tank, a union on 10 ft. of 1/2" air line connects to the blaster, here I added a 1/2" air pressure regulator to control the blaster pressure. I purchased a 80# bag of fine blasting sand ($4.50) from a local lumber yard. (they have coarse,fine and extra fine). I used a painter drop cloth as a back drop,clamped to a partly open garage door to reclaim the spent sand. Hope this info will help. This system works fine for me, blasted my rusty engine and am now painting. Verne From rexhinz at chorus.net Sat Nov 27 09:29:07 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:29:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Is this the way to be a salesman? References: <004501c4d493$fa2fbc90$8c9f0952@no1> Message-ID: <001901c4d4a6$a17cb220$0686a5d8@mycomputer> Thanks Dave ; He gave a very good discription . at least you know what your bidding on , thanks for showing us a good laugh Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 9:15 AM Subject: [SEL] Is this the way to be a salesman? > See > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2030&item=4506535663 > I don't think you could sell an engine this way. 8^) > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Nov 26 16:47:15 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:47:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: A Bit Of Christmas Cheer On My New Axe Message-ID: Just posted this: http://guitarchat.net/modules/jinzora/Media_player/Ricochet/ JoyToTheP90s.mp3 It's a demo of my new Agile AS-820 semihollowbody with P-90 pickups. It's "Joy To The World," 3 essentially identical verses, the first played on the neck pickup, the second on the parallel combination, and the third on the bridge. Amp is my Electar Tube 10 with Jensen Mod speaker. Guitar volume and tone knobs were all set at maximum, the amp gain and volume both down to 3 1/2, bass, midrange and treble knobs all maxed. Maybe not the ideal combination, but a standard of comparison. The guitar's still got its original GHS .009-.046" strings on it, tuned in Open E, played with a combination of fretting and a green glass wine bottle neck slide. In a living room with 2 china cabinets, dozens of Christmas nutcrackers and similar stuff to rattle and buzz, neighbors mowing lawns, shooting Estes rockets, and my son in the basement playing Halo Extreme online and yelling at his opponents. (No joke!) Recorded with Audacity on my old 500 MHz G3 iMac with an Apple PlainTalk mic. 'Tis the season. The mall wars began in earnest today. ;-) John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Nov 27 11:23:13 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 14:23:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Is this the way to be a salesman? In-Reply-To: <004501c4d493$fa2fbc90$8c9f0952@no1> References: <004501c4d493$fa2fbc90$8c9f0952@no1> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041127142232.022cf450@mail.alltel.net> At 10:15 AM 11/27/2004, you wrote: >See >http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2030&item=4506535663 >I don't think you could sell an engine this way. 8^) >Dave Croft Might be right up Tommy's alley--until the right 40 Chevy turns up! Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Nov 27 15:56:03 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:56:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Eagle Has Landed In-Reply-To: <000c01c4d3ab$c22c0670$a5c5ecdc@morris> References: <1c0.20e3eb05.2ed200bb@aol.com> <000c01c4d3ab$c22c0670$a5c5ecdc@morris> Message-ID: <1101599763.41a9141368084@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Kerry, Pretty amazing story! A Reid in Oz, a Tillinghast in England, a Bessemer in Japan.... What IS IT with oilfield engines anyway? 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting Kerry : > Is the unbelievable effort Keith Kinney put into finding the engine in WV, > going to get it and taking in back to Evansville IN before he and his dad > did a fantastic job of crating it and then taking the load to Chicago for > shipment to Australia. I will never be able to thank Keith enough for all > the effort he put into this project to ensure it worked out the way it did. > Once again engine people have proved they are the greatest group in the > world and I proud to be part of it. From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Nov 27 16:07:21 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:07:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Small show Nov. 20 Message-ID: <20041127.160721.1384.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Saturday November 20 my club WAPA (Western Antique Power Associates) put on a small show in Etiwanda CA. This was for the yearly open house of the Chaffee-Garcia House, a home for some of the early settlers of the area. Just seven members displayed, but we had a nice time and the weather was good. Pictures at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31508644&f=0 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Nov 27 16:42:50 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:42:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Small show Nov. 20 In-Reply-To: <20041127.160721.1384.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20041127.160721.1384.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041127193638.023a1c58@mail.alltel.net> At 07:07 PM 11/27/2004, you wrote: >Hi all. >Saturday November 20 my club WAPA (Western Antique Power Associates) put >on a small show in Etiwanda CA. This was for the yearly open house of >the Chaffee-Garcia House, a home for some of the early settlers of the >area. Just seven members displayed, but we had a nice time and the >weather was good. >Pictures at: >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31508644&f=0 >Ron Haskell My doG, I know a FOXY chick who lives in KA whose last name is Garcia! Could there be any connection? Dave PS, GREAT pictures! THANKS! PPS, Has anyone ever told you that the name of your club (WAPA) is insulting to those of Italian background? From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Nov 27 16:42:55 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:42:55 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New Toy Message-ID: <20041127.164256.1384.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I picked up a new engine Friday. Large Economy, possibly 7hp. 5?" bore and 10" stroke. Runs like a top. The ignitor and mag have been replaced by a spark plug and coil activated by a micro switch. pictures can be seen at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31146541&f=0 The last five pictures. Any information as to HP. and possible years of production would be appreciated. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 27 17:08:16 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:08:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Small show Nov. 20 References: <20041127.160721.1384.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <00bb01c4d4e6$c097d8c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Thanks Ron, great pictures and I enjoyed looking at them very much. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 6:07 PM Subject: [SEL] Small show Nov. 20 > Hi all. > Saturday November 20 my club WAPA (Western Antique Power Associates) put > on a small show in Etiwanda CA. This was for the yearly open house of > the Chaffee-Garcia House, a home for some of the early settlers of the > From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Nov 27 17:34:18 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 20:34:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Toy In-Reply-To: <20041127.164256.1384.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20041127.164256.1384.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041127202804.023bbd20@mail.alltel.net> According to Karch, 5 3/4 X 9 would be a 7 HP. 6 1/2 X 11 would be 9 HP. (Get a new measuring stick and try again.) Looks like 1917-1919 to Me! Dave PS, $400.00/$450.00 should get you the Webster mag and the ignitor in order to put it back to original. At 07:42 PM 11/27/2004, you wrote: >Hi all. I picked up a new engine Friday. Large Economy, possibly 7hp. >5?" bore and 10" stroke. Runs like a top. The ignitor and mag have been >replaced by a spark plug and coil activated by a micro switch. pictures >can be seen at: >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31146541&f=0 >The last five pictures. > >Any information as to HP. and possible years of production would be >appreciated. Thanks. > >Ron Haskell From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Nov 27 18:08:40 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:08:40 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New Toy Message-ID: <20041127.180840.1384.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Dave. Upon further review, the stroke is 9". We thought it was a 7 hp. I had no clue as to the age, 1917-1919 is a pleasant surprise. It is really a sweet runner. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 20:34:18 -0500 Dave Rotigel writes: > According to Karch, 5 3/4 X 9 would be a 7 HP. 6 1/2 X 11 would be 9 > HP. > (Get a new measuring stick and try again.) Looks like 1917-1919 to > Me! > Dave > PS, $400.00/$450.00 should get you the Webster mag and the ignitor > in order > to put it back to original. From old_iron at msn.com Sat Nov 27 20:52:23 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:52:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Senior moment/or CRS In-Reply-To: <006201c4d45e$e7f53e40$6d55dccb@pcuser> Message-ID: No Brian around our house this would be called CRS or (can't remember sh_ _). Peg Pfeiffer >From: "Brian Taylor" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] Senior moment.... >Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:55:54 +1000 > >Senior moment.... >It would help a lot if I gave you the address of the Hervey Bay Museum web >site, would it not? >http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html >Thanks.... >Brian >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From segray at mlode.com Sat Nov 27 22:06:50 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:06:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mini flat belt sources Message-ID: <41A96AFA.2000706@mlode.com> Hi All - I put this question to the TheOldIronCOLLECTIVE yahoo group awhile back and thought I'd throw it out here for some comments. I'm finalizing the Mery display and could use a small flat belt for an idea I'm toying with. Ideally, it would be 30-36" long and 3/4-1" wide. Keeping it thin, similar to those used in vacuums cleaners, would be good for the small diameter pulley (1") that may be incorporated into this, and also would be less drag on the small engine. I would think rubber would be preferable in this application. Speed is of no concern here. McMaster-Carr has a few that might work, but I'm not exactly a fan of the colors available; green, yellow, OSHA orange, etc. (whatever happened to good ol' black??). I'd be leery of even the "flexible" vinyl paints eventually coming off a painted belt. As with the colored belts, serpentine belts were considered but passed by. After the work put into this thing, I guess I'm being more purist than usual! Any ideas as to sources? Thanks in advance! - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Nov 27 09:52:11 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:52:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: A Bit Of Christmas Cheer On My New Axe Message-ID: <1052E7B4-409D-11D9-A232-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Just posted this: http://guitarchat.net/modules/jinzora/Media_player/Ricochet/ JoyToTheP90s.mp3 It's a demo of my new Agile AS-820 semihollowbody with P-90 pickups. It's "Joy To The World," 3 essentially identical verses, the first played on the neck pickup, the second on the parallel combination, and the third on the bridge. Amp is my Electar Tube 10 with Jensen Mod speaker. Guitar volume and tone knobs were all set at maximum, the amp gain and volume both down to 3 1/2, bass, midrange and treble knobs all maxed. Maybe not the ideal combination, but a standard of comparison. The guitar's still got its original GHS .009-.046" strings on it, tuned in Open E, played with a combination of fretting and a green glass wine bottle neck slide. In a living room with 2 china cabinets, dozens of Christmas nutcrackers and similar stuff to rattle and buzz, neighbors mowing lawns, shooting Estes rockets, and my son in the basement playing Halo Extreme online and yelling at his opponents. (No joke!) Recorded with Audacity on my old 500 MHz G3 iMac with an Apple PlainTalk mic. 'Tis the season. The mall wars began in earnest today. ;-) John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Nov 27 12:13:53 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:13:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: A Bit Of Christmas Cheer On My New Axe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm told that link may not always go through. Try this alternate one: http://oldengine.org/members/culp/JoyToTheP90s.MP3 On Nov 26, 2004, at 7:47 PM, John Culp wrote: > Just posted this: > http://guitarchat.net/modules/jinzora/Media_player/Ricochet/ > JoyToTheP90s.mp3 John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sun Nov 28 02:39:20 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:39:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The Eagle Has Landed References: <1c0.20e3eb05.2ed200bb@aol.com><000c01c4d3ab$c22c0670$a5c5ecdc@morris> <1101599763.41a9141368084@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <012e01c4d536$84d02400$a5c5ecdc@morris> G'Day Arnie The amazing part is we got it out with out Chuck (original) knowing, is he getting slower or what 8-)) Kerry > G'day Kerry, > > Pretty amazing story! A Reid in Oz, a Tillinghast in England, a Bessemer > in > Japan.... What IS IT with oilfield engines anyway? 8-)) > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sun Nov 28 02:50:31 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:50:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] The Eagle Has Landed References: <1c0.20e3eb05.2ed200bb@aol.com><000c01c4d3ab$c22c0670$a5c5ecdc@morris><1101599763.41a9141368084@webmail.city-net.com> <012e01c4d536$84d02400$a5c5ecdc@morris> Message-ID: <014101c4d538$14ce8460$a5c5ecdc@morris> Sorry forgot to add to all the OZ people that have asked off list if I have a new shed and shifted, no its the daughters place (6 acres only 7 mins away) we built 5 bays and I own 2, so now I can move in my shed at home and Ruth is happy with SOME of the iron shifted. kerry From alanb2 at webtv.net Sat Nov 27 20:22:25 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:22:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Small show Nov. 20 In-Reply-To: 's message of Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:08:16 -0600 Message-ID: <20790-41A95281-619@storefull-3277.bay.webtv.net> Hi Ron, Is this really a small rock crusher? http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=31508644&p=70158030 The only one I have seen in person is the one at Buckley. Ya could drop that one in ours engine and all. 8>)) A small one like that sure would be a lot of fun to show. I really appreciate the effort you and many others put into all the pictures. I need to ask Jim for sone web space and try my hand with the puter in the other room. Thanks, Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From Todengine at aol.com Sun Nov 28 05:08:13 2004 From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 08:08:13 EST Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? Message-ID: Before I scrapped my Chevy pickup I pulled the 350 engine out of it. I've been thinking of coupling it up to a 20 hp DC motor that I have laying around here and creating a generator. The one problem that I can't figure out is how to regulate the speed of the engine to a constant RPM. Anyone have any experience or knowlege of how to govern a car engine? Are there any companies that make a governor mechanism, or am I going to have to cobble something together? Any insights? Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH www.todengine.org From prepair at easynet.co.uk Sun Nov 28 05:35:18 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 13:35:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2lkjq0hntmvf2s32k483dchjojtk4cns3l@4ax.com> On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 08:08:13 EST, you wrote: >Before I scrapped my Chevy pickup I pulled the 350 engine out of it. I've >been thinking of coupling it up to a 20 hp DC motor that I have laying around >here and creating a generator. The one problem that I can't figure out is how >to regulate the speed of the engine to a constant RPM. Anyone have any >experience or knowlege of how to govern a car engine? Are there any companies that >make a governor mechanism, or am I going to have to cobble something together? > >Any insights? > >Rick Rowlands Hi Rick: You have a number of options: 1) Fit a mechanical governor to the engine 2) Fit an electronic governor to the engine. Mechanical governors are quite widespread and can often be found on ebay. They will need adapting to the engine, but for most applications they work quite well, and were probably the standard fit on all petrol stationary engines that were used for generating purposes. Electronic governors are much easier to adapt, but you have to have an electronic pickup on bellhousing that senses the ring gear teeth passing its nose, so you have speed feedback. Most are 12V or 24V so no problem there, and you'll need a bracket to site it near to the carb so you can do a mechanical link-up to the throttle. I've used both, VW have a neat little governor on the industrial VW flat four which might be worth a look. Of the electronic units, Woodward, American Bosch and Barber-Colman are the most popular. All-electric types are best generally, but Woodward used to have a 4301 model that used oil pressure in the engine as an actuating medium and the electronics did the controlling part. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From Todengine at aol.com Sun Nov 28 05:40:13 2004 From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 08:40:13 EST Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? Message-ID: <15b.451133ef.2edb2f3d@aol.com> Hmm I haven't thought about cruise control. I have never owned any older vehicles with cruise so I don't have much knowlege of them. I just wonder how close the speed regulation would be, but on a 230 VDC power system even a short term 10% power variation should be ok. I'll check it out. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH www.todengine.org From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Nov 28 06:52:53 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 07:52:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic References: <20041126.122428.1280.4.jlb94@juno.com> <41A76D85.5050909@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Hi Tommy; Got a '39... ton and a half dually stake body, but it is VERY tired. You might try www.stovebolt.com not to be confused with starbolt. Good Luck RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic > Joe, > I have seen those at some of the local stores and have, on occasion, > looked at them to see what some of old vehicles are in them. Ususally > most of the vehicles are in the 10 - 20 year old range and I haven't > haven't seen any '39 or '40 PU in them. But, I should pay more > attention to them as if one is listed in them, it would probalby be a > much better bargain than what I would find in one of the classic / > antique vehicle trader publications. Thanks for the tip and I'll give > them a view. > > TT > > > > jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > > >Hi Tommy, > > > >Around here (Pittsburgh, PA) we have a local magazine called "trader". > > > >Truck Trader - Car Trader - Antique Car Trader - Etc. > > > >It's available at the local convenience stores - FREE. and most of the > >cars are local. > > > >See if you have them around you. > >= = = = = = = = = > > = > > > >I would be leery of e-bay also, but I have a buddy that has bought a > >couple cars from e-bay and he is well satisfied. > > > >Right now he is/was looking at a Green Chevy Caprice- I think '68. Last > >I looked > >it was around $8,000 (Reserve Not Met) and it is a very nice looking car. > > > > > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > >jlb94 at juno.com > > ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > > \/)"(\/ when He was tired." > > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Nov 28 07:00:25 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 10:00:25 EST Subject: [SEL] Senior moment.... Message-ID: In a message dated 11/27/2004 3:57:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, brianne at ultratune.com.au writes: << http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html >> Brian, Thanks for the museum pictures. Why were the choppers called "beet choppers"? Were beets a major staple at one time? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From wrl at gwltd.com Sun Nov 28 07:10:40 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 09:10:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? References: Message-ID: <002301c4d55c$6d34c960$0800005a@laptop> Cruse control, which is really a gov. But you would have to cobble. Seems to me that running a big V8 to run a small generator is going to be very costly in fuel. Your going to have three times to much engine. J. Dave Mayfield www.w9wrl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 7:08 AM Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > Before I scrapped my Chevy pickup I pulled the 350 engine out of it. I've > been thinking of coupling it up to a 20 hp DC motor that I have laying around > here and creating a generator. The one problem that I can't figure out is how > to regulate the speed of the engine to a constant RPM. Anyone have any > experience or knowlege of how to govern a car engine? Are there any companies that > make a governor mechanism, or am I going to have to cobble something together? > > Any insights? > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > www.todengine.org > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Nov 28 07:50:26 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 10:50:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mini flat belt sources Message-ID: <20041128.112139.760.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Steve, Why not use Lee Pedersen for your belts ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Sun Nov 28 08:29:13 2004 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 08:29:13 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Small show Nov. 20 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041127193638.023a1c58@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Probably not Dave. Garcia over here on the left coast is as common as Smith on the right coast -- Kelley Garcia La Habra, Ka. USA PS it's WAPA, not WOPA..... On 11/27/04 4:42 PM, "Dave Rotigel" wrote: > At 07:07 PM 11/27/2004, you wrote: >> Hi all. >> Saturday November 20 my club WAPA (Western Antique Power Associates) put >> on a small show in Etiwanda CA. This was for the yearly open house of >> the Chaffee-Garcia House, a home for some of the early settlers of the >> area. Just seven members displayed, but we had a nice time and the >> weather was good. >> Pictures at: >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31508644&f=0 >> Ron Haskell > > My doG, I know a FOXY chick who lives in KA whose last name is Garcia! > Could there be any connection? > Dave > PS, GREAT pictures! THANKS! > PPS, Has anyone ever told you that the name of your club (WAPA) is > insulting to those of Italian background? > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Nov 28 09:23:04 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 09:23:04 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Small show Nov. 20 Message-ID: <20041128.092305.1472.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Alan. Just the yellow section is the jaw crusher. If you want I can send some better shots. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:22:25 -0500 alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) writes: > Hi Ron, > > Is this really a small rock crusher? > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=31508644&p=70158030 > > > The only one I have seen in person is the one at Buckley. Ya could > drop > that one in ours engine and all. 8>)) > > A small one like that sure would be a lot of fun to show. > > I really appreciate the effort you and many others put into all the > pictures. I need to ask Jim for sone web space and try my hand > with > the puter in the other room. > > Thanks, > > Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net > Williamsburg, Michigan From falcon at telenet.net Sun Nov 28 09:28:48 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:28:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? References: <15b.451133ef.2edb2f3d@aol.com> Message-ID: <005301c4d56f$b9371ee0$071117d1@net.telenet.net> The newer cruise controls can be adjusted as far as how sensitive they are. Since they pick up the signal off the distributor they are faster acting than the old ones. Most also have tap up-down so you can adjust them in fine steps. About the only problem you might have is that many of them don't work well a lower RPM. Mainly because of the fact that there is little rotating mass (that could be corrected by adding a heavy flywheel in the drivetrain) they hunt for the correct rpm. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > Hmm I haven't thought about cruise control. I have never owned any older > vehicles with cruise so I don't have much knowlege of them. I just wonder how > close the speed regulation would be, but on a 230 VDC power system even a short > term 10% power variation should be ok. I'll check it out. > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > www.todengine.org > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Sun Nov 28 10:25:28 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:25:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? In-Reply-To: <005301c4d56f$b9371ee0$071117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <003e01c4d577$a49f8a00$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Many older straight trucks had a governor that worked on the carb. What a pain in the butt those were. I worked on many a V8 with a governor on them. Pretty much all of them were on heavy duty straight trucks, boom trucks, etc. I used to work on power company trucks and delivery trucks, farm and coop trucks, etc. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W. Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 11:29 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? The newer cruise controls can be adjusted as far as how sensitive they are. Since they pick up the signal off the distributor they are faster acting than the old ones. Most also have tap up-down so you can adjust them in fine steps. About the only problem you might have is that many of them don't work well a lower RPM. Mainly because of the fact that there is little rotating mass (that could be corrected by adding a heavy flywheel in the drivetrain) they hunt for the correct rpm. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > Hmm I haven't thought about cruise control. I have never owned any older > vehicles with cruise so I don't have much knowlege of them. I just wonder how > close the speed regulation would be, but on a 230 VDC power system even a short > term 10% power variation should be ok. I'll check it out. > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH > www.todengine.org > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Sun Nov 28 08:11:11 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:11:11 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? Message-ID: <3khdfd$dq2o7l@mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net> Cruise control is not suitable for use as a governor, it's designed for slow speed changes with the momentum of the car keeping things smooth. If you jack a car up and engage the cruise you'll get full acceleration and deceleration swings. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose,LA From rwenig at cable-lynx.net Sun Nov 28 11:29:28 2004 From: rwenig at cable-lynx.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:29:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mini flat belt sources In-Reply-To: <41A96AFA.2000706@mlode.com> References: <41A96AFA.2000706@mlode.com> Message-ID: <41AA2718.8010505@cable-lynx.net> Hello Steve, You should be able to obtain leather of suitable thickness from a shoe maker to make a belt if you don't have any luck finding a ready made one. The ends can be joined using a leather lace or wire belt hooks. For info, the small South Bend lathes used a leather belt like the above. I can send you a scan of the lacing instructions from the South Bend manual if you would like it. Rupert Steve Gray wrote: > Hi All - > > I put this question to the TheOldIronCOLLECTIVE yahoo group awhile back > and thought I'd throw it out here for some comments. I'm finalizing the > Mery display and could use a small flat belt for an idea I'm toying > with. Ideally, it would be 30-36" long and 3/4-1" wide. Keeping it thin, > similar to those used in vacuums cleaners, would be good for the small > diameter pulley (1") that may be incorporated into this, and also would > be less drag on the small engine. I would think rubber would be > preferable in this application. Speed is of no concern here. > McMaster-Carr has a few that might work, but I'm not exactly a fan of > the colors available; green, yellow, OSHA orange, etc. (whatever > happened to good ol' black??). I'd be leery of even the "flexible" > vinyl paints eventually coming off a painted belt. As with the colored > belts, serpentine belts were considered but passed by. After the work > put into this thing, I guess I'm being more purist than usual! Any ideas > as to sources? Thanks in advance! > > - Steve > -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. mailto://rwenig at cable-lynx.net http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/index.html From rwenig at cable-lynx.net Sun Nov 28 11:35:48 2004 From: rwenig at cable-lynx.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:35:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Small show Nov. 20 In-Reply-To: <20041128.092305.1472.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20041128.092305.1472.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <41AA2894.7020805@cable-lynx.net> Hello Ron, I would like to see views form each side and the top if your going to send out more pictures of the rock crusher. Rupert rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi Alan. > Just the yellow section is the jaw crusher. If you want I can send some > better shots. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA -- -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. mailto://rwenig at cable-lynx.net http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/index.html From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Nov 28 12:10:27 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 15:10:27 EST Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help Message-ID: <154.452e5151.2edb8ab3@aol.com> I need some list help to unclog a pipe in a gas tank. See picture to better understand. http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/iron%20heater.jpg I am working on the gas heater for the soldering irons. The tank was full of dried junk and finally go it all out by shaking rocks inside for quite some time. However, the discharge pipe in also clogged. I have removed the cut off valve (to the right of tank). The pipe is welded to the tank and is radiused inside down to the bottom of the tank. Thankfully this was done rather than a right angle as it makes it easier to push something down it. I have tried forcing air, and a number of wires, braided wire on the end of a drill, etc., all to no avail. The pipe must be full of dried junk. I now have it standing upright with carb cleaner soaking in the pipe. Maybe I need to contact Mr. Roto-Roter! Does anyone have any ideas how to unclog the pipe? It is 1/4 inch steel. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Nov 28 12:25:54 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:25:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help In-Reply-To: <154.452e5151.2edb8ab3@aol.com> Message-ID: <200411282025.iASKPxu3016766@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Tom, I have used a section of speedometer cable in a drill with good luck. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 12:10 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help I need some list help to unclog a pipe in a gas tank. See picture to better understand. http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/iron%20heater.jpg I am working on the gas heater for the soldering irons. The tank was full of dried junk and finally go it all out by shaking rocks inside for quite some time. However, the discharge pipe in also clogged. I have removed the cut off valve (to the right of tank). The pipe is welded to the tank and is radiused inside down to the bottom of the tank. Thankfully this was done rather than a right angle as it makes it easier to push something down it. I have tried forcing air, and a number of wires, braided wire on the end of a drill, etc., all to no avail. The pipe must be full of dried junk. I now have it standing upright with carb cleaner soaking in the pipe. Maybe I need to contact Mr. Roto-Roter! Does anyone have any ideas how to unclog the pipe? It is 1/4 inch steel. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Todengine at aol.com Sun Nov 28 12:31:46 2004 From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 15:31:46 EST Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? Message-ID: Dave, I don't think the V8 would be too big, the motor I plan on using as a generator weighs about three times that of the engine. Its a big 20 or 25 hp DC motor, and depending upon the load placed on the generator the V8 might be perfect. My aim is to produce 230 DC to run a 20 ton overhead crane and possibly some other DC machines I have around here. As many people who know me can attest, my projects are seldom small. This current project that I have is to power the DC motor on an overhead crane in the Tod Engine restoration shop. There is no 220 AC power in the building to rectify to DC, so I thought an alternative would be to build a gas powered generator. I have the gas engine and motor already. I could probably forego the governor idea altogether and just go to a Ward Leonard system for speed control, however that means varying the engine throttle instead of operating the controller to change speed, but that might not be so bad of an idea since we would have to rig up bank of resistors to a barrel controller anyways. A friend has an old Cole truck crane that is all DC powered and a flat head V8 direct coupled to a generator. BTW what is the RPM range of this 350 engine anyway? From idle to red line? Anyone know? Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH www.todengine.org From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sun Nov 28 13:05:44 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:05:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Good engine day Message-ID: <009d01c4d58e$067527b0$3775833e@harryp1811> Yesterday we had a good engine day. After some trial and error trying to get the Vertical air-cooled IHC Famous going without snottering from the carburettor, we changed over to propane. This too needed quite some fine tuning. It was very hard to start, and after lots af headscratching we tried another sparkplug, and it's startning with only one pull through compression..... Seems we always were looking at the wrong end to find the problem. Anyway this mornig we started it up at around 9.45am, and it has been running flawless up until 4.15pm. The engine will stay on propane!! We also worked on our vertical Japy. We orederd new piston rings for it, and this morning we put them on the piston and put the (headless) cylinder back on the engine. It all turns over very nicely. I know we're still far from having it running. (the magneto needs to have the coil rewind) but it was much fun putting it back together. Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Nov 28 13:38:43 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 13:38:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200411282138.iASLclGk047249@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Rick, That old TIRED 350 will "Hand grenade " at about 5k! I'd pay to watch, JimmyO"Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Todengine at aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 12:32 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? Dave, I don't think the V8 would be too big, the motor I plan on using as a generator weighs about three times that of the engine. Its a big 20 or 25 hp DC motor, and depending upon the load placed on the generator the V8 might be perfect. My aim is to produce 230 DC to run a 20 ton overhead crane and possibly some other DC machines I have around here. As many people who know me can attest, my projects are seldom small. This current project that I have is to power the DC motor on an overhead crane in the Tod Engine restoration shop. There is no 220 AC power in the building to rectify to DC, so I thought an alternative would be to build a gas powered generator. I have the gas engine and motor already. I could probably forego the governor idea altogether and just go to a Ward Leonard system for speed control, however that means varying the engine throttle instead of operating the controller to change speed, but that might not be so bad of an idea since we would have to rig up bank of resistors to a barrel controller anyways. A friend has an old Cole truck crane that is all DC powered and a flat head V8 direct coupled to a generator. BTW what is the RPM range of this 350 engine anyway? From idle to red line? Anyone know? Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH www.todengine.org _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sun Nov 28 13:40:34 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:40:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Good engine day References: <009d01c4d58e$067527b0$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <001701c4d592$e47ff8b0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Harry, That's good news to hear you overwon the troubles you had. Don't know what sparkplug you used, but would suggest a D21 from Champion these are best for propane firering is my experience. C-ya, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > Yesterday we had a good engine day. > After some trial and error trying to get the Vertical air-cooled IHC Famous > going without snottering from the carburettor, we changed over to propane. > This too needed quite some fine tuning. > It was very hard to start, and after lots af headscratching we tried another > sparkplug, and it's startning with only one pull through compression..... > Seems we always were looking at the wrong end to find the problem. > > Anyway this mornig we started it up at around 9.45am, and it has been > running flawless up until 4.15pm. > The engine will stay on propane!! > > We also worked on our vertical Japy. We orederd new piston rings for it, and > this morning we put them on the piston and put the (headless) cylinder back > on the engine. It all turns over very nicely. I know we're still far from > having it running. (the magneto needs to have the coil rewind) but it was > much fun putting it back together. > > > > > Harry Terpstra > Sint Annaparochie > Netherlands > h.terpstra at wxs.nl > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Nov 28 13:55:40 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 13:55:40 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Rock crusher Message-ID: <20041128.135540.1472.6.rdhaskell@juno.com> To Alan and the others who asked for more information on the rock crusher, I put up some pictures at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31510198&f=0 If you need more just ask. This was made from plate material by a machinist friend who didn't want his name known for liability reasons. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From glenn.karch at gte.net Sun Nov 28 14:48:52 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:48:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? References: <200411282138.iASLclGk047249@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <002701c4d59c$715496c0$7429ea41@oemcomputer> Rick, The old Massey Ferguson 510 combines had a Chevy 350 in them with a belt driven governor and a rod going to the carb throttle shaft. As I recall, it was driven from a pulley on the crank shaft. They seemed to work well and were easily adjusted. You must use 10 weight oil in them. Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Todengine at aol.com Sun Nov 28 15:27:51 2004 From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:27:51 EST Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? Message-ID: OK you can watch but I'll hide behind that big rock over there! I think I need about 1200 rpm to get the voltage I want out of the generator. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH www.todengine.org From edstoller at earthlink.net Sun Nov 28 16:36:10 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:36:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT1 References: <20041118.001131.1020.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <000201c4d5ae$4001c4a0$59f5f504@x8h7l9> Thank you Joe, I will make an oil slinger. I think the bearing will get more oil if I leave the felt out. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover CT1 > Hi Ed, > > Actually - NO - I wouldn't have a pic of the oil slinger - but - I made a > new one for my Stover as the one in there seemed too little to do > anything. > > I made mine to fit on the lower rod cap bolt - the same width as the cap > and tapered it to a blunt point as it extends into the oil. > > Total length is about an inch & a quarter (1?" ) with only about three > quarter of an inch > extending toward the oil or bottom of the engine. > > It was also curved forward. Sort of like a bent finger or very similar to > a finger pick used in guitar playing. Not a real sharp bend, just sort of > curved forward. > = = = > As for the wad of felt in the bearing caps - - - I was tempted to take > mine out - then decided not to as that might allow the bearing to go dry > too fast or allow the bearings to leak. Felt stays wet with oil and > lubricates the crank. I don't think they should be too tight but should > be snug enough to stay in. > > I sort of felt the tiny slinger I had may have prevented my trip rod from > getting enough oil and causing it to stick. > > Hope this helps. > Feel free to ask any questions as you make that slinger. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > \/)"(\/ when He was tired." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Nov 28 17:26:10 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:26:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? References: <200411282138.iASLclGk047249@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <004601c4d5b2$68b95d50$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Never happen Jimmy. Valves float and it just tries to blow up. Speaking from experience here, and damn, I did try. Jeff Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 2:38 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > Rick, That old TIRED 350 will "Hand grenade " at about 5k! I'd pay to > watch, JimmyO"Hagan > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Todengine at aol.com > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 12:32 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > > Dave, > I don't think the V8 would be too big, the motor I plan on using as a > generator weighs about three times that of the engine. Its a big 20 or 25 > hp DC > motor, and depending upon the load placed on the generator the V8 might be > perfect. My aim is to produce 230 DC to run a 20 ton overhead crane and > possibly some > other DC machines I have around here. > > As many people who know me can attest, my projects are seldom small. This > current project that I have is to power the DC motor on an overhead crane > in > the > Tod Engine restoration shop. There is no 220 AC power in the building to > rectify to DC, so I thought an alternative would be to build a gas powered > generator. I have the gas engine and motor already. I could probably > forego > the > governor idea altogether and just go to a Ward Leonard system for speed > control, > however that means varying the engine throttle instead of operating the > controller to change speed, but that might not be so bad of an idea since > we > would > have to rig up bank of resistors to a barrel controller anyways. A friend > has > an old Cole truck crane that is all DC powered and a flat head V8 direct > coupled to a generator. > > BTW what is the RPM range of this 350 engine anyway? From idle to red > line? > > Anyone know? > > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > www.todengine.org > _______________________________________________ From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Nov 28 17:30:11 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:30:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Rock crusher References: <20041128.135540.1472.6.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <004b01c4d5b2$f8daf290$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Ron, Thanks for the "small show" pictures and the added rock crusher pictures. Rock crusher looked real popular. Jeff Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 2:55 PM Subject: [SEL] Rock crusher > To Alan and the others who asked for more information on the rock > crusher, I put up some pictures at: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31510198&f=0 > If you need more just ask. This was made from plate material by a > machinist friend who didn't want his name known for liability reasons. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From f86sabre at kcweb.net Sun Nov 28 17:21:36 2004 From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (F86SABRE) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:21:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mini flat belt sources References: <41A96AFA.2000706@mlode.com> Message-ID: <000c01c4d5b1$c76fff30$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> Again, there is an answer on the website of the Florida Association of Model Engineers. It is Bob Shore's Tip #10 under Tips & Links, Engine Building tips. Dan Bousman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 12:06 AM Subject: [SEL] Mini flat belt sources > Hi All - > > I put this question to the TheOldIronCOLLECTIVE yahoo group awhile back > and thought I'd throw it out here for some comments. I'm finalizing the > Mery display and could use a small flat belt for an idea I'm toying with. > Ideally, it would be 30-36" long and 3/4-1" wide. Keeping it thin, similar > to those used in vacuums cleaners, would be good for the small diameter > pulley (1") that may be incorporated into this, and also would be less > drag on the small engine. I would think rubber would be preferable in this > application. Speed is of no concern here. McMaster-Carr has a few that > might work, but I'm not exactly a fan of the colors available; green, > yellow, OSHA orange, etc. (whatever happened to good ol' black??). I'd be > leery of even the "flexible" vinyl paints eventually coming off a painted > belt. As with the colored belts, serpentine belts were considered but > passed by. After the work put into this thing, I guess I'm being more > purist than usual! Any ideas as to sources? Thanks in advance! > > - Steve > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From wrl at gwltd.com Sun Nov 28 17:55:57 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:55:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? References: Message-ID: <002e01c4d5b6$92bf6f00$0800005a@laptop> Sounds interesting, I had envisioned a smaller generator. As big as you say the v-8 may be a good engine to use. Good luck. J. Dave Mayfield www.w9wrl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > Dave, > I don't think the V8 would be too big, the motor I plan on using as a > generator weighs about three times that of the engine. Its a big 20 or 25 hp DC > motor, and depending upon the load placed on the generator the V8 might be > perfect. My aim is to produce 230 DC to run a 20 ton overhead crane and possibly some > other DC machines I have around here. > > As many people who know me can attest, my projects are seldom small. This > current project that I have is to power the DC motor on an overhead crane in the > Tod Engine restoration shop. There is no 220 AC power in the building to > rectify to DC, so I thought an alternative would be to build a gas powered > generator. I have the gas engine and motor already. I could probably forego the > governor idea altogether and just go to a Ward Leonard system for speed control, > however that means varying the engine throttle instead of operating the > controller to change speed, but that might not be so bad of an idea since we would > have to rig up bank of resistors to a barrel controller anyways. A friend has > an old Cole truck crane that is all DC powered and a flat head V8 direct > coupled to a generator. > > BTW what is the RPM range of this 350 engine anyway? From idle to red line? > Anyone know? > > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > www.todengine.org > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Sun Nov 28 18:08:32 2004 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:08:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? References: Message-ID: <003b01c4d5b8$5487c820$6ce0a841@ibm22761389857> I suspect that 1200 rpm may not be near the max power curve of the engine. A friend of mine is in the process of putting a Chevy 350 on a Lockheed AL-60 airplane. It has about a 3 to 1 reduction drive between it and the prop to get the engine at it's max power curve at about 2400 rpm prop speed. He is hoping for over 2000 lbs of thrust at takeoff rpm. Airboat folks do this stuff all the time. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW this stiff all the time ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 18:27 Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > OK you can watch but I'll hide behind that big rock over there! I think I > need about 1200 rpm to get the voltage I want out of the generator. > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > www.todengine.org > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Sun Nov 28 18:17:38 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:17:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? References: Message-ID: <005101c4d5b9$99959680$041117d1@net.telenet.net> Idle is usually around 600 rpm and a tired 350 should be able to hit 4 grand without problem. I have a built one that will turn closer to 9K. I would try to turn a 350 at about 2K or so for best economy though. They LIKE fuel. Might want to put a transmission in between to get a good operating range. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > Dave, > I don't think the V8 would be too big, the motor I plan on using as a > generator weighs about three times that of the engine. Its a big 20 or 25 hp DC > motor, and depending upon the load placed on the generator the V8 might be > perfect. My aim is to produce 230 DC to run a 20 ton overhead crane and possibly some > other DC machines I have around here. > > As many people who know me can attest, my projects are seldom small. This > current project that I have is to power the DC motor on an overhead crane in the > Tod Engine restoration shop. There is no 220 AC power in the building to > rectify to DC, so I thought an alternative would be to build a gas powered > generator. I have the gas engine and motor already. I could probably forego the > governor idea altogether and just go to a Ward Leonard system for speed control, > however that means varying the engine throttle instead of operating the > controller to change speed, but that might not be so bad of an idea since we would > have to rig up bank of resistors to a barrel controller anyways. A friend has > an old Cole truck crane that is all DC powered and a flat head V8 direct > coupled to a generator. > > BTW what is the RPM range of this 350 engine anyway? From idle to red line? > Anyone know? > > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > www.todengine.org > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Todengine at aol.com Sun Nov 28 18:35:34 2004 From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:35:34 EST Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? Message-ID: I will have to look at the motor nameplate to see what the motors speed is, that should tell me what kind of a transmission, if any I might need. Also have to consult my DC textbooks and study up on generators before getting the tools out. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH www.todengine.org From segray at mlode.com Sun Nov 28 22:41:57 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:41:57 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mini flat belt sources In-Reply-To: <20041128.112139.760.2.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20041128.112139.760.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <41AAC4B5.1060705@mlode.com> Thanks, Joe. I'd forgotten Lee carried the small stuff. Haven't talked with him in years. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com jlb94 at juno.com wrote: >Hi Steve, > >Why not use Lee Pedersen for your belts ? > > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > \/)"(\/ when He was tired." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Mon Nov 29 01:05:32 2004 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 04:05:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm wondering what voltage are you trying to get out of the generator and what are you going to power with DC? Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 Todengine at aol.com wrote: > OK you can watch but I'll hide behind that big rock over there! I think I > need about 1200 rpm to get the voltage I want out of the generator. > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > www.todengine.org > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Nov 28 19:26:23 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:26:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71C8B77B-41B6-11D9-B7BB-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> About 4400 RPM is where the 350s of the early '80s were rated at peak horsepower. I'd run it a lot slower for continuous duty. 2000-2500 RPM will be a very happy speed, near torque peak for a stock one. John John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Nov 28 17:16:23 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:16:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mini flat belt sources In-Reply-To: <20041128.112139.760.2.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20041128.112139.760.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041128201234.022c7608@mail.alltel.net> At 10:50 AM 11/28/2004, you wrote: >Hi Steve, >Why not use Lee Pedersen for your belts ? >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Lee made mine for my 1926 compressor--see: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/1926_Compressor/index.html The belt is 85"X 2" and the cost was $30.00. It's tan--never heard of a black flat belt! Dave From curt at imc-group.com Mon Nov 29 06:20:52 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:20:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help In-Reply-To: <154.452e5151.2edb8ab3@aol.com> References: <154.452e5151.2edb8ab3@aol.com> Message-ID: <41AB3044.8000100@imc-group.com> Tom, I'm guessing this is a gasoline fired soldering iron? Old gasoline will eventually dry into the cakes you describe. I've had good success dissolving dried gas residue with lacquer thinner. Fill her up and let it soak a few days and it'll be clean as a whistle. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Germoamer at aol.com wrote: >I need some list help to unclog a pipe in a gas tank. See picture to better >understand. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/iron%20heater.jpg > >I am working on the gas heater for the soldering irons. The tank was full of >dried junk and finally go it all out by shaking rocks inside for quite some >time. However, the discharge pipe in also clogged. I have removed the cut off >valve (to the right of tank). The pipe is welded to the tank and is radiused >inside down to the bottom of the tank. Thankfully this was done rather than >a right angle as it makes it easier to push something down it. I have tried >forcing air, and a number of wires, braided wire on the end of a drill, etc., >all to no avail. The pipe must be full of dried junk. I now have it standing >upright with carb cleaner soaking in the pipe. Maybe I need to contact Mr. >Roto-Roter! > >Does anyone have any ideas how to unclog the pipe? It is 1/4 inch steel. > >T > From shop at cccomm.net Mon Nov 29 07:11:58 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 07:11:58 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Webster Brass Message-ID: <014c01c4d625$c77e1740$6501a8c0@Shop> The reproduction brass bands for the Websters have a black background, which I presume is a duplication of the original. How is it done? I've got a very decent one, and I'd like to try it. Dave From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sun Nov 28 05:18:39 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 14:18:39 +0100 Subject: [SEL] good engine day References: Message-ID: <002601c4d54c$c6b2e4a0$3775833e@harryp1811> Yesterday we had a good engine day. After some trial and error trying to get the Vertical air-cooled IHC Famous going without snottering from the carburettor, we changed over to propane. This too needed quite some fine tuning. It was very hard to start, and after lots af headscratching we tried another sparkplug, and it's startning with only one pull through compression..... Seems we always were looking at the wrong end to find the problem. Anyway this mornig we started it up at around 9.45am, and it has been running flawless up until 4.15pm. The engine will stay on propane!! We also worked on our vertical Japy. We orederd new piston rings for it, and this morning we put them on the piston and put the (headless) cylinder back on the engine. It all turns over very nicely. I know we're still far from having it running. (the magneto needs to have the coil rewind) but it was much fun putting it back together. Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html From segray at mlode.com Mon Nov 29 07:53:14 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 07:53:14 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mini flat belt sources In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041128201234.022c7608@mail.alltel.net> References: <20041128.112139.760.2.jlb94@juno.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041128201234.022c7608@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <41AB45EA.9030908@mlode.com> Hi Dave - True, the leather belts don't usually start out black. Because of the desired thickness, I had a rubber based belt framed in my mine, but a usable tan leather would be great too. I'll send for some materials from Lee this week. Couldn't do anything with a belt now anyway since I'm in the midst of throwing some paint on the Mery. Hey, the compressor looks great! - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Dave Rotigel wrote: > At 10:50 AM 11/28/2004, you wrote: > >> Hi Steve, >> Why not use Lee Pedersen for your belts ? >> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > > Lee made mine for my 1926 compressor--see: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/1926_Compressor/index.html > The belt is 85"X 2" and the cost was $30.00. It's tan--never heard of > a black flat belt! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 29 07:56:33 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:56:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mini flat belt sources Message-ID: <20041129.110842.1108.0.jlb94@juno.com> As for flat belts being black - If it's leather and you want it black - Just dye it with leather dye. However - I find most all my belts are of a dark finish because of the handling using gloves or hands that are covered with oil & grease. I had one long belt that Lee shortened and made into two belts for a minimal charge at coolsprings. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 29 08:00:41 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:00:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help Message-ID: <20041129.110842.1108.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Tom, I've always used Denatured Alcohol to disolve varnished gasoline. I just picked up a Toro Snow Blower (FREE) that had no spark. Cleaned the points and got spark. The carb and siphon tube were all gummed up. Couldn't get a brazing rod through the tube. A day in Denatured Alcohol did the trick. Runs beautiful. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Nov 29 08:16:40 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:16:40 EST Subject: [SEL] Information Needed - WICO Model F - Johnson Utilimotor Message-ID: <62.4908fc15.2edca568@aol.com> Hi List, The Johnson Utilimotor is finally disassembled except for the piston which is rusted in the cylinder. Upon removing the flywheel, I found the magnet(s) in the magneto (WICO Model F) seem to be missing. Where is the magnet assembly located on the Model F WICO? Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 29 08:28:37 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:28:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Webster Brass References: <014c01c4d625$c77e1740$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <009901c4d630$7ae94a20$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> ferric chloride indelible hand and sink dye heated in a butter dish set in hot water to speed it up your choice of resists , wax , self adhesive shelf paper they even make one you can print off on a laser printer big blue something or other also see "photo chemical machining " ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// The reproduction brass bands ......I'd like to try it. Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Nov 29 09:41:51 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:41:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Small show Nov. 20 In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041127193638.023a1c58@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041129124045.02416ec0@mail.alltel.net> >PS it's WAPA, not WOPA..... Hi Kelley, I'ma sorry I gotta dis wrong. Thanks fora tella me dis! Dave From curt at imc-group.com Mon Nov 29 09:57:03 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:57:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rock crusher/ now Tommy Berry In-Reply-To: <20041128.135540.1472.6.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20041128.135540.1472.6.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <41AB62EF.7050309@imc-group.com> Ron, Alan, If list member Tommy Berry will pipe up and say hi, perhaps he will tell us a little bit about his small rock crusher project he has developed. Tommy is a machinst and is currently taking orders I believe to make a run of small rock crushers he developed. It is a scaled down version of an assay crusher he has. Perhaps he can post some picture links so you can see what he has come up with. It a real neat item. Tommy's email address is: tberry6 at carolina.rr.com Curt Holland Gastonia, NC rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: >To Alan and the others who asked for more information on the rock >crusher, I put up some pictures at: >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31510198&f=0 >If you need more just ask. This was made from plate material by a >machinist friend who didn't want his name known for liability reasons. > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Nov 29 09:55:04 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:55:04 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Information Needed - WICO Model F - Johnson Utilimotor References: <62.4908fc15.2edca568@aol.com> Message-ID: <003401c4d63c$8f9d77a0$8c9f0952@no1> Have a look at http://www.magnetoparts.com/wico_fw.htm This says the magnets are the same as a Wico EK magneto. Perhaps that is where your magnets went to! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 4:16 PM Subject: [SEL] Information Needed - WICO Model F - Johnson Utilimotor > Hi List, > The Johnson Utilimotor is finally disassembled except for the piston which > is rusted in the cylinder. Upon removing the flywheel, I found the magnet(s) > in the magneto (WICO Model F) seem to be missing. Where is the magnet > assembly located on the Model F WICO? > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, California > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Nov 29 10:03:35 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:03:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mini flat belt sources In-Reply-To: <41AB45EA.9030908@mlode.com> References: <20041128.112139.760.2.jlb94@juno.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041128201234.022c7608@mail.alltel.net> <41AB45EA.9030908@mlode.com> Message-ID: <41AB6477.1020602@imc-group.com> Steve, If anyone has specialty flat belting Rahmann Belting does. On the web at http://rahmannbelting.com/ Curt Holland Gastonia, NC (home of Rahmann Belting) Steve Gray wrote: > Hi Dave - > > True, the leather belts don't usually start out black. Because of the > desired thickness, I had a rubber based belt framed in my mine, but a > usable tan leather would be great too. I'll send for some materials > from Lee this week. Couldn't do anything with a belt now anyway since > I'm in the midst of throwing some paint on the Mery. Hey, the > compressor looks great! > > - Steve > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 29 10:08:21 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:08:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Small show Nov. 20 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041129124045.02416ec0@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041127193638.023a1c58@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041129124045.02416ec0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Hmmmm, I think she's gonna sleep with the fishes... On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Dave Rotigel wrote: > >PS it's WAPA, not WOPA..... > > Hi Kelley, I'ma sorry I gotta dis wrong. Thanks fora tella me dis! > Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 29 10:16:36 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:16:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] What Is It? Message-ID: Hi Folks, Here's a pic of an engine that I saw at the Fall show & swap at Coolspring. I was never able to locate the owner. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/images/WhatIsIt.jpg Does anyone know what the make of this oddball is? Any other info on it would also be appreciated. Damn thing is so butt ugly it's cute. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 29 10:31:33 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:31:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: What Is It? References: Message-ID: <001201c4d641$a7539eb0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Richmond Standard http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/Wolfs001.jpg Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 12:16 PM Subject: What Is It? > Hi Folks, > > Here's a pic of an engine that I saw at the Fall show & swap at > Coolspring. I was never able to locate the owner. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/images/WhatIsIt.jpg > > Does anyone know what the make of this oddball is? Any other info on it > would also be appreciated. Damn thing is so butt ugly it's cute. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 29 10:32:07 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:32:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What Is It? References: Message-ID: <001b01c4d641$bbb44b70$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Richmond Standard http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/Wolfs001.jpg Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 12:16 PM Subject: [SEL] What Is It? > Hi Folks, > > Here's a pic of an engine that I saw at the Fall show & swap at > Coolspring. I was never able to locate the owner. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/images/WhatIsIt.jpg > > Does anyone know what the make of this oddball is? Any other info on it > would also be appreciated. Damn thing is so butt ugly it's cute. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 29 10:37:57 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:37:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] What Is It? In-Reply-To: <001b01c4d641$bbb44b70$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <001b01c4d641$bbb44b70$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: Bwahahaha!!!! 15 minutes and 33 seconds. Damn Ted, yer slipping. Time was you'd have had that ID posted in under five minutes! Must be the crook foot slowing you down! 8-)))) BTW, THANKS!!!! See ya, Arnie On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Ted Brookover wrote: > Richmond Standard > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/Wolfs001.jpg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > > > > Here's a pic of an engine that I saw at the Fall show & swap at > > Coolspring. I was never able to locate the owner. > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/images/WhatIsIt.jpg > > > > Does anyone know what the make of this oddball is? Any other info on it > > would also be appreciated. Damn thing is so butt ugly it's cute. 8-)) From jbcast at charter.net Sun Nov 28 16:41:43 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 0:41:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? Message-ID: <3k70kp$iqbehg@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net> > OK you can watch but I'll hide behind that big rock over there! I think I > need about 1200 rpm to get the voltage I want out of the generator. > Rick, the ideal range for the 350 would probably be around 3600rpm. You won't get much power at 1200, but if it's all you need it will be more efficient. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From curt at imc-group.com Mon Nov 29 12:31:48 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:31:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What Is It? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41AB8734.2070208@imc-group.com> Arnie, That definitely falls in the cute category. Believe I'd nickname it Dolly (Parton) if it were mine 'cause it's so top heavy. :-) Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Folks, > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/images/WhatIsIt.jpg > >Damn thing is so butt ugly it's cute. 8-)) > > > From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Nov 29 12:33:56 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:33:56 EST Subject: [SEL] Information Needed - WICO Model F - Johnson Utilimotor Message-ID: <99.526d511c.2edce1b4@aol.com> In a message dated 11/29/2004 10:03:19 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes: Have a look at http://www.magnetoparts.com/wico_fw.htm This says the magnets are the same as a Wico EK magneto. Perhaps that is where your magnets went to! Thanks Dave. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Mon Nov 29 12:46:30 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:46:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Good engine day References: <009d01c4d58e$067527b0$3775833e@harryp1811> <001701c4d592$e47ff8b0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <001a01c4d654$81880af0$3775833e@harryp1811> No John this one has the big NPT thread. We use the Autolite 3095. I'm sure glad that we have it all sorted out. BTW the Japy looks like a real engine now too;) Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Good engine day > Hi Harry, > That's good news to hear you overwon the troubles you had. > Don't know what sparkplug you used, but would suggest a D21 > from Champion these are best for propane firering is my experience. > > C-ya, > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > From lfevans at pacbell.net Mon Nov 29 13:40:48 2004 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:40:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] What Is It? In-Reply-To: References: <001b01c4d641$bbb44b70$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20041129133903.02276a20@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Arnie... Here are a couple of ads from the Alan King books. http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/richmond/ Larry At 10:37 AM 11/29/2004, you wrote: >Bwahahaha!!!! 15 minutes and 33 seconds. Damn Ted, yer slipping. Time >was you'd have had that ID posted in under five minutes! Must be the >crook foot slowing you down! 8-)))) > >BTW, THANKS!!!! > >See ya, Arnie > >On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Ted Brookover wrote: > > > Richmond Standard > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/Wolfs001.jpg > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Arnie Fero" > > > > > > Here's a pic of an engine that I saw at the Fall show & swap at > > > Coolspring. I was never able to locate the owner. > > > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/images/WhatIsIt.jpg > > > > > > Does anyone know what the make of this oddball is? Any other info on it > > > would also be appreciated. Damn thing is so butt ugly it's cute. 8-)) >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Mon Nov 29 14:28:44 2004 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:28:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What Is It? References: Message-ID: <001901c4d662$c9a85d90$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> Hi Arnie; With the oversize covered hopper you almost have to wonder if it isn't one of those "soup cooled" engines. Probably could cook a mean stew in there, too. Best Regards; Jim Mackessy Syracuse, New York, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 1:16 PM Subject: [SEL] What Is It? > Hi Folks, > > Here's a pic of an engine that I saw at the Fall show & swap at > Coolspring. I was never able to locate the owner. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/images/WhatIsIt.jpg > > Does anyone know what the make of this oddball is? Any other info on it > would also be appreciated. Damn thing is so butt ugly it's cute. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Nov 29 14:16:46 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:16:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Good engine day References: <009d01c4d58e$067527b0$3775833e@harryp1811><001701c4d592$e47ff8b0$3e636854@Sixmjohn> <001a01c4d654$81880af0$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <000501c4d661$1d5b9710$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Hi Harry, Started today to rebuild my "Red Devil" 3hp M :o)) Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/3Mred.jpg John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > No John this one has the big NPT thread. > We use the Autolite 3095. > I'm sure glad that we have it all sorted out. > > BTW the Japy looks like a real engine now too;) > > > Harry Terpstra From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Nov 29 14:17:17 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:17:17 EST Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help Message-ID: <1de.2f6013f4.2edcf9ed@aol.com> In a message dated 11/28/2004 3:29:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, jdohagan at comcast.net writes: << I have used a section of speedometer cable in a drill with good luck >> Jimmy, I will scrounge up one somewhere. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Nov 29 14:23:05 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:23:05 EST Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help Message-ID: <86.1c43f342.2edcfb49@aol.com> In a message dated 11/29/2004 9:30:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: << I'm guessing this is a gasoline fired soldering iron? Old gasoline will eventually dry into the cakes you describe. I've had good success dissolving dried gas residue with lacquer thinner. >> Curt, Yes, it is a gas fired burner for soldering irons. Never seen one like it before. I will try soaking with lacquer thinner. I think the pipe must be solid for quite a ways up in it. It sucks from the bottom and the tank was 1/4 full of dried junk. After soaking for a while, I will try Jimmy's speedometer cable in the drill. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Nov 29 14:25:26 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:25:26 EST Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help Message-ID: <6.395673f5.2edcfbd6@aol.com> In a message dated 11/29/2004 11:16:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, jlb94 at juno.com writes: << A day in Denatured Alcohol did the trick >> Joe, Maybe I will try 1/2 denatured alcohol and 1/2 lacquer thinner like Curt said worked. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Todengine at aol.com Mon Nov 29 15:17:21 2004 From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:17:21 EST Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? Message-ID: I checked the DC motor today and the nameplate RPM rating is 500-1200. So from this info. I would ascertain that driving the motor at 1200 would produce 250 volts and from posts on this list I've determined that about 2400 would be a good speed for the V8 engine. I can obtain a 2 to 1 ratio reduction gearbox without much problem, but I was wondering about direct connecting the motor, gearbox and generator together. Basically I don't believe a standard starter motor would turn the whole mass over fast enough for the motor to start. But why not just run DC voltage through the generator (which is in fact a motor) and use that to start the gas motor. Might work! Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH www.todengine.org From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 29 15:30:03 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:30:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] What Is It? In-Reply-To: <001901c4d662$c9a85d90$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> References: <001901c4d662$c9a85d90$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> Message-ID: Hi Jim, Well, in terms of "cooking machines" its hard to top Dave Croft's Danish Uller. This pic shows him cooking up a batch of nice spicy black pudding in the hopper. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/3/astle1.jpg http://www.g4cio.demon.co.uk/bpudding/pudding.htm And this pic shows the happy eaters... 8-)) http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/3/astle2.jpg For other "hooper cooking" recipies be sure to check out the SEL Cookbook that Dolly did for the Charity Auction in 2001. Some awesome stuff in there!! And speaking of the Charity Auction, are we doing one this year? Spencer? See ya, Arnie On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, James Mackessy wrote: > Hi Arnie; > With the oversize covered hopper you almost have to wonder if it isn't > one of those > "soup cooled" engines. Probably could cook a mean stew in there, too. > Best Regards; > Jim Mackessy > Syracuse, New York, USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > > > > Here's a pic of an engine that I saw at the Fall show & swap at > > Coolspring. I was never able to locate the owner. > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/images/WhatIsIt.jpg From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Nov 29 15:34:16 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:34:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] 2004 ATIS CHarity Auction? Message-ID: Hi Folks, Has anyone heard if we're doing an ATIS Charity Auction this year? The web site "looks" functional... http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity Spencer? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From driggars at earthlink.net Mon Nov 29 11:37:29 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:37:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help References: <20041129.110842.1108.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <016401c4d64a$dd93ee40$c8438304@clinton> Joe I have always wondered if a person could add a few oz of denatured alcohol to the gas tank to help keep things cleaned out? would it hury anything to do this? Clint > Hi Tom, > > I've always used Denatured Alcohol to disolve varnished gasoline. > > I just picked up a Toro Snow Blower (FREE) that had no spark. > Cleaned the points and got spark. > > The carb and siphon tube were all gummed up. > Couldn't get a brazing rod through the tube. > A day in Denatured Alcohol did the trick. > > Runs beautiful. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > \/)"(\/ when He was tired." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Mon Nov 29 17:44:22 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:44:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? References: Message-ID: <002901c4d67e$1e29dd60$981117d1@net.telenet.net> Put a heavy duty gear reduction starter on it and it will crank it over like nothing. I have horsed my old blazer over big rocks using nothing but the starter motor before. I would probably put a clutch in between the engine and anything else though, just for safety. Plus the extra mass of the flywheel and pressure plate will allow the engine to turn much smoother. I would even connect a second flywheel before the gearbox for that same reason. Instead of the gearbox you could just put a 3/4 speed transmission on the engine, easy and you could select the gear and speed according to how much power you actually need. IE put it in 2 and hit the gas when you need high output or put it in 3 and throttle back if your turning something a bit lighter. Just a thought. Oh if you go that route you don't need to be very specific since just about any GM transmission will fit. Just tell them the year of the engine so you get the correct flywheel (different bolt patterns for old/new) Bellhousings are all the same from small block/big block and the 4.3 V-6 so they are easy to find as well. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > I checked the DC motor today and the nameplate RPM rating is 500-1200. So > from this info. I would ascertain that driving the motor at 1200 would produce > 250 volts and from posts on this list I've determined that about 2400 would be > a good speed for the V8 engine. I can obtain a 2 to 1 ratio reduction gearbox > without much problem, but I was wondering about direct connecting the motor, > gearbox and generator together. Basically I don't believe a standard starter > motor would turn the whole mass over fast enough for the motor to start. > > But why not just run DC voltage through the generator (which is in fact a > motor) and use that to start the gas motor. Might work! > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > www.todengine.org > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brianne at ultratune.com.au Mon Nov 29 17:53:43 2004 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:53:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] IH3M Message-ID: <006e01c4d67f$6c8a9a70$1954dccb@pcuser> Hi Guys Finally got the 3M running. Video on web site under engines/IH3M project The video was taken today as we started it for the first time. Still have to get the mixture right, but she started!!!! Actually ran quite sweet for a few seconds. Web address: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html where you can see some progress pictures etc.plus other Museum pictures (Old machinery etc.) Check it out. Brian From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 29 17:46:41 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:46:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help Message-ID: <20041129.210419.248.1.jlb94@juno.com> I have always wondered if a person could add a few oz of denatured alcohol to the gas tank to help keep things cleaned out? would it hury anything to do this? - - - - - - - Hi Clint, I don't think it would hurt anything - After I cleaned out my IDEAL base with Denatured Alcohol, I could smell it when it was running. But - If you run the engine even a few times a year, you should have no problems. What better cleaner than gasoline ? Why not consider a fuel stabilizer for storage if you're worried about gumming up? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Nov 29 17:41:04 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:41:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help Message-ID: <20041129.210419.248.0.jlb94@juno.com> Maybe I will try 1/2 denatured alcohol and 1/2 lacquer thinner like Curt said worked. = = = = = = = Careful when mixing flamable liquids. I once mixed Gasoline & Kerosene in a smudge pot and lit it not realizing what was mixed. It worked okay untill I picked it up to move it. About liked to blow my head off !! Luckily - The pressure of gasoline igniting blew itself out. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Nov 29 14:22:39 2004 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:22:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041124123357.132137a8@mail.alltel.net> <41A4D25B.1080909@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124145803.13301ec0@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041124161556.132bd480@mail.alltel.net> <001d01c4d276$34123980$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> <1101406625.41a621a1d0a8d@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <001801c4d661$efb058e0$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> And look what it sold for!!!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 1926 Air Compressor > Hi Mike, > > THIS is the ONLY thing those damn Brunner compressors are any good for! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3853408738&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT > > Feel the love? > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnnie FERO > Pittsburgh, PA > (Home of the Fero Compressor) > fero_ah at city-net.com > > Quoting Mike Royster : > > Great job on the compressor! I have done over a dozen of the 1950's era > > Brunners, which are not only far superior to the Japanese knockoff "FERO", > > but all of mine are finished and RUNNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alanb2 at webtv.net Mon Nov 29 18:25:26 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:25:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2004 ATIS CHarity Auction? In-Reply-To: Arnie Fero 's message of Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:34:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1689-41ABDA16-3367@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net> Thanks Arnie. This is the first time I got to put up the first Charity Auction item. 8>)) Alan Bowen ~~~~~~Arnie?Fero wrote~~~~ Hi Folks, Has anyone heard if we're doing an ATIS Charity Auction this year? The web site "looks" functional... http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity Spencer? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com . . Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Nov 29 18:47:05 2004 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 02:47:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help In-Reply-To: <1de.2f6013f4.2edcf9ed@aol.com> Message-ID: <20041130024705.94074.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> And cut off the end fitting, then open up the last coil to make a hook. Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea --- Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/28/2004 3:29:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, > jdohagan at comcast.net writes: > > << I have used a section of speedometer cable in a drill with good luck >> > > Jimmy, > > I will scrounge up one somewhere. > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ___________________________________________________________ Moving house? Beach bar in Thailand? New Wardrobe? Win ?10k with Yahoo! Mail to make your dream a reality. Get Yahoo! Mail www.yahoo.co.uk/10k From frank at lbpinc.com Mon Nov 29 18:54:39 2004 From: frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:54:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? In-Reply-To: <002901c4d67e$1e29dd60$981117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <002901c4d67e$1e29dd60$981117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20041129214839.03188e68@MAIL1.THEBOOK.COM> If you can find any one from western PA they can put this together with you in about a day. When my son went to engineering college in PA (Grove City) he and I learned that "Putasmallblockinit' is one word and almost any boy over 14 can Putasmallblockinit in about a day. His friends really didn't understand why he didn't Putasmallblockinit to his Mazda RX7 Frank Snip > Oh if you go >that route you don't need to be very specific since just about any GM >transmission will fit. Just tell them the year of the engine so you get >the correct flywheel (different bolt patterns for old/new) Bellhousings >are all the same from small block/big block and the 4.3 V-6 so they are >easy to find as well. > >Steve Williams > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 6:17 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > > > > I checked the DC motor today and the nameplate RPM rating is 500-1200. >So > > from this info. I would ascertain that driving the motor at 1200 would >produce > > 250 volts and from posts on this list I've determined that about 2400 >would be > > a good speed for the V8 engine. I can obtain a 2 to 1 ratio reduction >gearbox > > without much problem, but I was wondering about direct connecting the >motor, > > gearbox and generator together. Basically I don't believe a standard >starter > > motor would turn the whole mass over fast enough for the motor to >start. > > > > But why not just run DC voltage through the generator (which is in >fact a > > motor) and use that to start the gas motor. Might work! > > > > Rick Rowlands > > Executive Director > > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > > Youngstown, OH > > www.todengine.org > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W 77.5164| Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Nov 29 19:44:07 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:44:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20041129214839.03188e68@MAIL1.THEBOOK.COM> Message-ID: <007301c4d68e$dbed2b30$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Yehaw - keep in mind not all SBC's are the same - some internally balanced, some externally, so, the flywheel/flexplate from a 350 will make a 400 vibrate........... So many people put sbc's in so many vehicles, it's now blazay, boring, etc. - too commonly done, no longer fun and unique. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Frank DeWitt Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 8:55 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? If you can find any one from western PA they can put this together with you in about a day. When my son went to engineering college in PA (Grove City) he and I learned that "Putasmallblockinit' is one word and almost any boy over 14 can Putasmallblockinit in about a day. His friends really didn't understand why he didn't Putasmallblockinit to his Mazda RX7 Frank Snip > Oh if you go >that route you don't need to be very specific since just about any GM >transmission will fit. Just tell them the year of the engine so you get >the correct flywheel (different bolt patterns for old/new) Bellhousings >are all the same from small block/big block and the 4.3 V-6 so they are >easy to find as well. > >Steve Williams > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 6:17 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > > > > I checked the DC motor today and the nameplate RPM rating is > > 500-1200. >So > > from this info. I would ascertain that driving the motor at 1200 > > would >produce > > 250 volts and from posts on this list I've determined that about > > 2400 >would be > > a good speed for the V8 engine. I can obtain a 2 to 1 ratio > > reduction >gearbox > > without much problem, but I was wondering about direct connecting > > the >motor, > > gearbox and generator together. Basically I don't believe a > > standard >starter > > motor would turn the whole mass over fast enough for the motor to >start. > > > > But why not just run DC voltage through the generator (which is in >fact a > > motor) and use that to start the gas motor. Might work! > > > > Rick Rowlands > > Executive Director > > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, > > OH www.todengine.org > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W 77.5164| Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Mon Nov 29 19:59:03 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:59:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? References: <002901c4d67e$1e29dd60$981117d1@net.telenet.net> <6.0.1.1.0.20041129214839.03188e68@MAIL1.THEBOOK.COM> Message-ID: <004101c4d690$ef16cca0$595c14d0@net.telenet.net> Frank, Your dead on there. I have put SBCs in just about everything. Jaguars, Fords, a couple Dodges, a VW or three and a few others the SBC is real easy to hop up and can fit in LOTS of engine compartments. Plus parts are cheap..... Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank DeWitt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > If you can find any one from western PA they can put this together with you > in about a day. > > When my son went to engineering college in PA (Grove City) he and I > learned that "Putasmallblockinit' is one word and almost any boy over 14 > can Putasmallblockinit in about a day. His friends really didn't > understand why he didn't Putasmallblockinit to his Mazda RX7 > > Frank > > Snip > > > Oh if you go > >that route you don't need to be very specific since just about any GM > >transmission will fit. Just tell them the year of the engine so you get > >the correct flywheel (different bolt patterns for old/new) Bellhousings > >are all the same from small block/big block and the 4.3 V-6 so they are > >easy to find as well. > > > >Steve Williams > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 6:17 PM > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > > > > > > > I checked the DC motor today and the nameplate RPM rating is 500-1200. > >So > > > from this info. I would ascertain that driving the motor at 1200 would > >produce > > > 250 volts and from posts on this list I've determined that about 2400 > >would be > > > a good speed for the V8 engine. I can obtain a 2 to 1 ratio reduction > >gearbox > > > without much problem, but I was wondering about direct connecting the > >motor, > > > gearbox and generator together. Basically I don't believe a standard > >starter > > > motor would turn the whole mass over fast enough for the motor to > >start. > > > > > > But why not just run DC voltage through the generator (which is in > >fact a > > > motor) and use that to start the gas motor. Might work! > > > > > > Rick Rowlands > > > Executive Director > > > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > > > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > > > Youngstown, OH > > > www.todengine.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > +----------------------------------------------------------------------- --+ > HONOR GOD > SERVE PEOPLE > DEVELOP EXCELLENCE > GROW PROFITABLE > FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES > > Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com > Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 > LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 > 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W > 77.5164| > Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Mon Nov 29 20:04:25 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:04:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help References: <20041129.210419.248.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <004d01c4d691$aead2000$595c14d0@net.telenet.net> Since that is about all gas line antifreeze is anyway, go ahead. Just be aware that if there is ANY water in the tank or any other crud it will travel with the alcohol. I learned that the hard way when my family went on a trip out west in the 80's. First tank of gasohol plugged the fuel filter 6 times. Nothing like changing the fuel filter on the side of the highway and then having to drop the tank to replace the fuel sock. I did get real good at changing the fuel filter on that 301 though.... Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] clogged pipe help > I have always wondered if a person could add a few oz of denatured > alcohol to > the gas tank to help keep things cleaned out? > would it hury anything to do this? > - - - - - - - > Hi Clint, > > I don't think it would hurt anything - After I cleaned out my IDEAL base > with Denatured > Alcohol, I could smell it when it was running. > > But - If you run the engine even a few times a year, you should have no > problems. > What better cleaner than gasoline ? > Why not consider a fuel stabilizer for storage if you're worried about > gumming up? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > \/)"(\/ when He was tired." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Nov 29 20:13:59 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:13:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2004 ATIS CHarity Auction? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041129230931.01b91a50@mail.alltel.net> At 06:34 PM 11/29/2004, you wrote: >Hi Folks, >Has anyone heard if we're doing an ATIS Charity Auction this year? >The web site "looks" functional... >http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity >Spencer? >See ya, Arnie Hi Arnie, and Others, Spencer usually wants to wait until the first of December to kick off the Charity Auction. I think it has something to do with the FATG's eating too much at Thanksgiving and needing time to get rid of gas before the announcement. I do notice that there is one bid on some nice knobs already! From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Nov 29 20:20:41 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:20:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Small show Nov. 20 In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041127193638.023a1c58@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20041129124045.02416ec0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041129231437.01b73aa0@mail.alltel.net> At 01:08 PM 11/29/2004, you wrote: >Hmmmm, I think she's gonna sleep with the fishes... Atsa nica assa ona dat chick. Nica assa don't sleep witha no dama fishes! Dave PS, We figure out who she sleepa wit first ina early August! PPS, Onea silver star maka same as twoa dos blue ones! From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Nov 29 21:27:14 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:27:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic In-Reply-To: References: <20041126.122428.1280.4.jlb94@juno.com> <41A76D85.5050909@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <41AC04B2.60203@scrtc.com> Thanks Rick. I really want a PU if I can find one. TT Richard Strobel wrote: >Hi Tommy; > Got a '39... ton and a half dually stake body, but it is VERY tired. > >You might try www.stovebolt.com not to be confused with starbolt. > >Good Luck > >RickinMt. > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 10:53 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic > > > > >>Joe, >> I have seen those at some of the local stores and have, on occasion, >>looked at them to see what some of old vehicles are in them. Ususally >>most of the vehicles are in the 10 - 20 year old range and I haven't >>haven't seen any '39 or '40 PU in them. But, I should pay more >>attention to them as if one is listed in them, it would probalby be a >>much better bargain than what I would find in one of the classic / >>antique vehicle trader publications. Thanks for the tip and I'll give >>them a view. >> >>TT >> >> >> >>jlb94 at juno.com wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi Tommy, >>> >>>Around here (Pittsburgh, PA) we have a local magazine called "trader". >>> >>>Truck Trader - Car Trader - Antique Car Trader - Etc. >>> >>>It's available at the local convenience stores - FREE. and most of the >>>cars are local. >>> >>>See if you have them around you. >>>= = = = = = = = = >>> = >>> >>>I would be leery of e-bay also, but I have a buddy that has bought a >>>couple cars from e-bay and he is well satisfied. >>> >>>Right now he is/was looking at a Green Chevy Caprice- I think '68. Last >>>I looked >>>it was around $8,000 (Reserve Not Met) and it is a very nice looking car. >>> >>> >>>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >>>jlb94 at juno.com >>>,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - >>>\/)"(\/ when He was tired." >>>(_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Mon Nov 29 23:08:01 2004 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:08:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Small show Nov. 20 Message-ID: no problema... Kelley > > >PS it's WAPA, not WOPA..... > > Hi Kelley, I'ma sorry I gotta dis wrong. Thanks fora tella me dis! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- From b.jwalker at shaw.ca Mon Nov 29 15:32:15 2004 From: b.jwalker at shaw.ca (Bob and Joanne) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:32:15 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Re 350 governor Message-ID: <41ABB17F.000003.28585@HPPAV> Your best bet is to get the belt driven governor from an ag application, an example would be a Massey 510 combine which gives you the advantage of ready made brackets etc. As to the speed range you are operating in it is hard to say without knowing what application the 350 was originally used in. There is a big difference in 350 engines, an example would be two bolt mains, four bolt mains what cyl. heads,pistons,camshaft, what fuel system what crankshaft what valve springs etc etc. On some applications they will run under full load at 3800 to 4000 RPMs all day long depending on the engine. For the benefit of your pocket book with regards to fuel consumption I would try for the 1800 to 2400 RPM range. The benefit of the old style belt drive jobs is that they are adjustable for a very large operating range.I have used them with settings as low as 1200 to a high 4400. Good luck on your project. Bob- Fort Saskatchewan, Alberta, Canada. From jnyost at yahoo.com Tue Nov 30 04:04:52 2004 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:04:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] 2004 ATIS CHarity Auction? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041130120453.24961.qmail@web40602.mail.yahoo.com> I sure hope it is. I would like to see that "BIG OLD WRENCH" (Spencer) go back on the auction since my ISP went down and I could not put my last bid in. 8-)) Jim --- Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Has anyone heard if we're doing an ATIS Charity > Auction this year? > The web site "looks" functional... > http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity > > Spencer? > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Nov 30 04:08:10 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:08:10 +0000 Subject: [SEL] IH3M In-Reply-To: <006e01c4d67f$6c8a9a70$1954dccb@pcuser> Message-ID: Hey Brian, that was neat to hear an old M while sitting in my office here at work. Thanks for putting up the movie clip. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =================== >From: "Brian Taylor" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] IH3M >Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:53:43 +1000 > >Hi Guys >Finally got the 3M running. Video on web site under engines/IH3M project >The video was taken today as we started it for the first time. > Still have to get the mixture right, but she started!!!! Actually ran > quite sweet for a few seconds. >Web address: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html > where you can see some progress pictures etc.plus other Museum > pictures (Old machinery etc.) > Check it out. >Brian >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wrl at gwltd.com Tue Nov 30 04:48:20 2004 From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:48:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? References: Message-ID: <004201c4d6db$07d814c0$8ab217d0@laptop> Rick that should work fine. Many larger generators start the power plant in this way. Sure worth a try. J. Dave Mayfield www.w9wrl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? > I checked the DC motor today and the nameplate RPM rating is 500-1200. So > from this info. I would ascertain that driving the motor at 1200 would produce > 250 volts and from posts on this list I've determined that about 2400 would be > a good speed for the V8 engine. I can obtain a 2 to 1 ratio reduction gearbox > without much problem, but I was wondering about direct connecting the motor, > gearbox and generator together. Basically I don't believe a standard starter > motor would turn the whole mass over fast enough for the motor to start. > > But why not just run DC voltage through the generator (which is in fact a > motor) and use that to start the gas motor. Might work! > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > www.todengine.org > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Nov 30 05:33:31 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:33:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41AC76AB.1060309@imc-group.com> Rick, Share with us the other DC nameplate information such as kw, kva, or HP. That is what is going to determine what speed you need to be running your 350 engine at. If you are only trying to generate say 30 HP (or roughly 20kw) then your 350 V8 ought to be able to do this just fine at 1200 rpms. Direct couple them and enjoy the fuel savings of running the engine at low rpm's. If you are trying to make say 150 HP (or roughly 100kw) then you are certainly going to need to be in the power band range for this motor. Then you will be forced to go the route of gear reduction or automotive transmission. If you wind up direct coupling the two, there is no reason the standard starter won't turn over both the engine and the unexcited generator. You should also give thought to a torsional flex plate between the engine flywheel and generator input shaft to prevent fatigue failure. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Todengine at aol.com wrote: >I checked the DC motor today and the nameplate RPM rating is 500-1200. So >from this info. I would ascertain that driving the motor at 1200 would produce >250 volts and from posts on this list I've determined that about 2400 would be >a good speed for the V8 engine. I can obtain a 2 to 1 ratio reduction gearbox >without much problem, but I was wondering about direct connecting the motor, >gearbox and generator together. Basically I don't believe a standard starter >motor would turn the whole mass over fast enough for the motor to start. > >But why not just run DC voltage through the generator (which is in fact a >motor) and use that to start the gas motor. Might work! > >Rick Rowlands >Executive Director >Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark >William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine >Youngstown, OH >www.todengine.org >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Nov 30 05:59:58 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:59:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic References: <20041126.122428.1280.4.jlb94@juno.com> <41A76D85.5050909@scrtc.com> <41AC04B2.60203@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Hi Tommy; Just remembered yesterday that a buddy/neighbor of mine has a PU. Don't remember the year. He's over the pond now but can email him. Hopefully you can find one closer. later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic > Thanks Rick. I really want a PU if I can find one. > TT > > > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > >Hi Tommy; > > Got a '39... ton and a half dually stake body, but it is VERY tired. > > > >You might try www.stovebolt.com not to be confused with starbolt. > > > >Good Luck > > > >RickinMt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 10:53 AM > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic > > > > > > > > > >>Joe, > >> I have seen those at some of the local stores and have, on occasion, > >>looked at them to see what some of old vehicles are in them. Ususally > >>most of the vehicles are in the 10 - 20 year old range and I haven't > >>haven't seen any '39 or '40 PU in them. But, I should pay more > >>attention to them as if one is listed in them, it would probalby be a > >>much better bargain than what I would find in one of the classic / > >>antique vehicle trader publications. Thanks for the tip and I'll give > >>them a view. > >> > >>TT > >> > >> > >> > >>jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Hi Tommy, > >>> > >>>Around here (Pittsburgh, PA) we have a local magazine called "trader". > >>> > >>>Truck Trader - Car Trader - Antique Car Trader - Etc. > >>> > >>>It's available at the local convenience stores - FREE. and most of the > >>>cars are local. > >>> > >>>See if you have them around you. > >>>= = = = = = = = > >>>= > >>> = > >>> > >>>I would be leery of e-bay also, but I have a buddy that has bought a > >>>couple cars from e-bay and he is well satisfied. > >>> > >>>Right now he is/was looking at a Green Chevy Caprice- I think '68. > >>>Last > >>>I looked > >>>it was around $8,000 (Reserve Not Met) and it is a very nice looking > >>>car. > >>> > >>> > >>>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > >>>jlb94 at juno.com > >>>,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > >>>\/)"(\/ when He was tired." > >>>(_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>SEL mailing list > >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From prepair at easynet.co.uk Tue Nov 30 06:14:06 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:14:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Governor for Chevy 350 engine? In-Reply-To: <41AC76AB.1060309@imc-group.com> References: <41AC76AB.1060309@imc-group.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:33:31 -0500, you wrote: >Rick, >Share with us the other DC nameplate information such as kw, kva, or HP. >That is what is going to determine what speed you need to be running >your 350 engine at. Let us not confuse AC & DC here, kW is the rating of DC power or AC power with the power factor taken into account, kVA is an AC rating without power factor correction. HP is hosses by any other name :-)) >If you are only trying to generate say 30 HP (or >roughly 20kw) then your 350 V8 ought to be able to do this just fine at >1200 rpms. Direct couple them and enjoy the fuel savings of running the >engine at low rpm's. If you are trying to make say 150 HP (or roughly >100kw) then you are certainly going to need to be in the power band >range for this motor. Then you will be forced to go the route of gear >reduction or automotive transmission. Yes, the larger engines will run quite happily on load at considerably less than their rated speeds, and will be very quiet as well, especially if a decent exhaust is fitted. >If you wind up direct coupling the two, there is no reason the standard >starter won't turn over both the engine and the unexcited generator. >You should also give thought to a torsional flex plate between the >engine flywheel and generator input shaft to prevent fatigue failure. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC Starting big gennys is pretty standard stuff with conventional starter motors on big diesels, it's only when you get up to the very large engines that 48V starters or air starting becomes necessary (air starting as in an air starter motor, not air injection as used in big marine engines) Lister used the generator for a starter in a number of cases, we have a 110V 7kW DC set which is automatic start using the house battery that it kept charged to power the generator as a motor. Note that field reversal is necessary to run the genny as a motor compared to what it would be as a generator, which is why a lot of auto-start sets went for a separate starter winding on the rotor and a separate starter field as well. The Lister Start-O-Matics went this route, although they were AC output so couldn't be used as a motor from batteries. I think that made sense.... :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From andyglines at hotmail.com Tue Nov 30 08:36:19 2004 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:36:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Hunting for something - Old Truck In-Reply-To: <200411301114.iAUBERWh030571@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Try these sites. http://www.aths.org/ look at their calssifieds and they have a nice discussion forum. http://www.traderonline.com/ this site has adds for just about anything with an engine and some things which don't. http://www.atca-inc.net/ the discussion board here usually has a lot of advertising. > 45. Re: Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic > (Judge Tommy Turner) >Message: 45 >Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:27:14 -0500 >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <41AC04B2.60203 at scrtc.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >Thanks Rick. I really want a PU if I can find one. >TT > > > >Richard Strobel wrote: > > >Hi Tommy; > > Got a '39... ton and a half dually stake body, but it is VERY tired. > > > >You might try www.stovebolt.com not to be confused with starbolt. > > > >Good Luck > > > >RickinMt. From alanb2 at webtv.net Tue Nov 30 11:24:11 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:24:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2004 ATIS CHarity Auction? In-Reply-To: James Yost 's message of Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:04:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <24246-41ACC8DB-3006@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> Hi Jim, I was wondering if anyone would be interested in another one,,,, I will put up another Big Ol' Wrench soon. Grab yer own, OR,, Hey Spenser,,, Wanna set of 'em??? I guess I just need to make a simple web page of items on the Charity Auction. I have a book here I am putting up in a few minutes that could go either way. 8>)) Alan Bowen ~~~~~Jim?Yost wrote~~~~~ I sure hope it is. I would like to see that "BIG OLD WRENCH" (Spencer) go back on the auction since my ISP went down and I could not put my last bid in. 8-)) http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From curt at imc-group.com Tue Nov 30 13:08:37 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:08:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2004 ATIS CHarity Auction? In-Reply-To: <24246-41ACC8DB-3006@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> References: <24246-41ACC8DB-3006@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <41ACE155.9090408@imc-group.com> But Alan, is it a King Dick?! :-) Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Alan Bowen wrote: >Hi Jim, > >I was wondering if anyone would be interested in another one,,,, > >I will put up another Big Ol' Wrench soon. >Grab yer own, >OR,, Hey Spenser,,, Wanna set of 'em??? > >I guess I just need to make a simple web page of items on the Charity >Auction. > >I have a book here I am putting up in a few minutes that could go either >way. 8>)) > > > From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Tue Nov 30 13:08:55 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:08:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IH3M References: <006e01c4d67f$6c8a9a70$1954dccb@pcuser> Message-ID: <0a3501c4d720$cf65b110$0301a8c0@ALEC> Hi, Very nice engine, Do you or anyone else have a video / audio clip of a 6 hp M ??? I sure could use one for a project but my video eqip. is currently out of service, Tks Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Taylor" To: Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 8:53 PM Subject: [SEL] IH3M Hi Guys Finally got the 3M running. Video on web site under engines/IH3M project The video was taken today as we started it for the first time. Still have to get the mixture right, but she started!!!! Actually ran quite sweet for a few seconds. Web address: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html where you can see some progress pictures etc.plus other Museum pictures (Old machinery etc.) Check it out. Brian _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alanb2 at webtv.net Tue Nov 30 14:06:10 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:06:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2004 ATIS CHarity Auction? In-Reply-To: Curt 's message of Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:08:37 -0500 Message-ID: <13672-41ACEED2-4829@storefull-3276.bay.webtv.net> Curt, The wrench is what it is. Go place a bid. Pictues of the three things I have offered so far are loaded on one web page and the links work from all three items. Bid high and Bid often. Alan ~~~~~~Curt Holland wrote~~~~ But Alan, is it a King Dick?! :-) Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Alan Bowen wrote: Hi Jim, I was wondering if anyone would be interested in another one,,,, I will put up another Big Ol' Wrench soon. Grab yer own, OR,, Hey Spenser,,, Wanna set of 'em??? I guess I just need to make a simple web page of items on the Charity Auction. I have a book here I am putting up in a few minutes that could go either way. 8>)) Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan http://community.webtv.net/alanb2/ATISAuctionItems From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Nov 30 14:13:43 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:13:43 EST Subject: [SEL] Good engine day Message-ID: <7f.524bf16f.2ede4a97@aol.com> In a message dated 11/29/2004 6:23:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, jg.hammink at quicknet.nl writes: << Started today to rebuild my "Red Devil" 3hp M >> John, Nice red engine! What is the extra hopper on the top? Not familiar with that. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From edstoller at earthlink.net Tue Nov 30 14:31:51 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:31:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic References: <20041126.122428.1280.4.jlb94@juno.com> <41A76D85.5050909@scrtc.com><41AC04B2.60203@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000b01c4d72c$65162720$49b6f504@x8h7l9> A friend of mine has a 1926 IH sitting next to his garden for a few decades. He says it has a two speed rear end. I think anyone could have it for the taking. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic > Hi Tommy; > Just remembered yesterday that a buddy/neighbor of mine has a PU. Don't > remember the year. He's over the pond now but can email him. Hopefully you > can find one closer. > > later, > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:27 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic > > > > Thanks Rick. I really want a PU if I can find one. > > TT > > > > > > > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > > > >Hi Tommy; > > > Got a '39... ton and a half dually stake body, but it is VERY tired. > > > > > >You might try www.stovebolt.com not to be confused with starbolt. > > > > > >Good Luck > > > > > >RickinMt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > >Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 10:53 AM > > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hunting for something - Old Truck - Off Topic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Joe, > > >> I have seen those at some of the local stores and have, on occasion, > > >>looked at them to see what some of old vehicles are in them. Ususally > > >>most of the vehicles are in the 10 - 20 year old range and I haven't > > >>haven't seen any '39 or '40 PU in them. But, I should pay more > > >>attention to them as if one is listed in them, it would probalby be a > > >>much better bargain than what I would find in one of the classic / > > >>antique vehicle trader publications. Thanks for the tip and I'll give > > >>them a view. > > >> > > >>TT > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>Hi Tommy, > > >>> > > >>>Around here (Pittsburgh, PA) we have a local magazine called "trader". > > >>> > > >>>Truck Trader - Car Trader - Antique Car Trader - Etc. > > >>> > > >>>It's available at the local convenience stores - FREE. and most of the > > >>>cars are local. > > >>> > > >>>See if you have them around you. > > >>>= = = = = = = = > > >>>= > > >>> = > > >>> > > >>>I would be leery of e-bay also, but I have a buddy that has bought a > > >>>couple cars from e-bay and he is well satisfied. > > >>> > > >>>Right now he is/was looking at a Green Chevy Caprice- I think '68. > > >>>Last > > >>>I looked > > >>>it was around $8,000 (Reserve Not Met) and it is a very nice looking > > >>>car. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > >>>jlb94 at juno.com > > >>>,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - > > >>>\/)"(\/ when He was tired." > > >>>(_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > >>>_______________________________________________ > > >>>SEL mailing list > > >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>SEL mailing list > > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Nov 30 15:20:42 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 00:20:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Good engine day References: <7f.524bf16f.2ede4a97@aol.com> Message-ID: <000d01c4d733$36158360$3e636854@Sixmjohn> Tom, that's an extension hopper they were made for the Australian market. Several times I saw them in the show reports Patrick Livingstone shared with us and I asked him to find me one. When he visited Ron Sullivan a while ago he talked about it and Ron had one in the shed and sent it to me all the way to " Up above". I'm very glad with it and have to thank them again. I think it's a habit to have something different on M's :o)) Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > John, > > Nice red engine! What is the extra hopper on the top? Not familiar with > that. > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz From tberry6 at carolina.rr.com Tue Nov 30 18:29:25 2004 From: tberry6 at carolina.rr.com (Tommy Berry) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:29:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Scale Rock Crusher Message-ID: <000001c4d74d$96d40ef0$6401a8c0@TBerry> Curt has accused me of lurking on the list because I do not Post often.My name is Tommy Berry my wifes name is Beverly.We operate a small machine and fabrication shop In Kings Mtn. NC.One of my winter projects is a production run of small1/3 scale 4? x6? assey jaw crusher.It weighs about 25 lbs.It has6? x1 ?? flywheels. The little crusher can be powered by a large model such as Shellys Galloway or a 1 HP Tom thumb gas engine. The crusher comes with hardned jaw plates,cheek plates and screw jaw adjustment.Justlike the original. The price is 950.00 plus shipping. My email address is tberry6 at carolina.rr.com the shop Phone is 704-739-5913 M-F 8-6 . Other than models we collect and restore IHC engines Famous and Moguls also Ohio and Newway and Fairbanks engines. My friend Ray Medford and I displayed at Portland This year with the list Bunch.I have a subscriber for a year and haven?t posted because my comments on most engine issues would be echoes. Pray for me because I live halfway between the Roysters and Curt Holland. Tommy From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Nov 30 19:15:09 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:15:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Scale Rock Crusher In-Reply-To: <000001c4d74d$96d40ef0$6401a8c0@TBerry> References: <000001c4d74d$96d40ef0$6401a8c0@TBerry> Message-ID: <41AD373D.3070206@scrtc.com> Tommy, I've prayed for your wife quite often but not for you..... hey, I know your crusher project will be A-1 cause I know the quality of the work you do. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky >Pray for me because I live halfway between the Roysters and Curt Holland. >Tommy > > From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Nov 30 20:10:17 2004 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:10:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Scale Rock Crusher References: <000001c4d74d$96d40ef0$6401a8c0@TBerry> Message-ID: <002101c4d75b$aae756a0$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> You know, it does my heart good to know I have led another lying, cheatin, slandering, tractor riding FATG to prayer, bless his heart!!!!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Berry" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 9:29 PM Subject: [SEL] Scale Rock Crusher Curt has accused me of lurking on the list because I do not Post often.My name is Tommy Berry my wifes name is Beverly.We operate a small machine and fabrication shop In Kings Mtn. NC.One of my winter projects is a production run of small1/3 scale 4" x6" assey jaw crusher.It weighs about 25 lbs.It has6" x1 ?" flywheels. The little crusher can be powered by a large model such as Shellys Galloway or a 1 HP Tom thumb gas engine. The crusher comes with hardned jaw plates,cheek plates and screw jaw adjustment.Justlike the original. The price is 950.00 plus shipping. My email address is tberry6 at carolina.rr.com the shop Phone is 704-739-5913 M-F 8-6 . Other than models we collect and restore IHC engines Famous and Moguls also Ohio and Newway and Fairbanks engines. My friend Ray Medford and I displayed at Portland This year with the list Bunch.I have a subscriber for a year and haven't posted because my comments on most engine issues would be echoes. Pray for me because I live halfway between the Roysters and Curt Holland. Tommy _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Nov 30 22:11:47 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:11:47 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson info. Message-ID: <20041130.221148.284.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Is Verne Kindschi still the keeper of the F&J records? I thought I heard he passed the information to someone else. I am looking for the information on a 3hp serial no. 78652, already know the year. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Nov 29 21:46:10 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:46:10 -0000 Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help References: <20041129.210419.248.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <002201c4d69f$e68ab290$8c9f0952@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 1:41 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] clogged pipe help > Maybe I will try 1/2 denatured alcohol and 1/2 lacquer thinner like Curt > said > worked. > Careful when mixing flamable liquids. > I once mixed Gasoline & Kerosene in a smudge pot and lit it not realizing > what was mixed. > It worked okay untill I picked it up to move it. > About liked to blow my head off !! > Luckily - The pressure of gasoline igniting blew itself out. > Joe "Pip" Betz Is Denatured Alcohol in the US the same as the "Meths" or "Methylated spirits" we use in the UK? Ours is purple in colour & is Ethyl alcohol with Methyl alcohol added to make it undrinkable. (Mind you, we do think about drinking it when Arnie is over here overworking all our breweries) 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv