From Spencer.Yost at piedmontsystems.com  Tue Jun  1 14:22:19 2004
From: Spencer.Yost at piedmontsystems.com (Spencer Yost)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:22:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <200406011722190015.0030D661@newidea.atis.net>

Test - please ignore

Spencer



From BetCleve321 at aol.com  Tue Jun  1 14:35:04 2004
From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:35:04 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Herc cart progress update.
Message-ID: <4a.2c807603.2dee5088@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/1/2004 1:25:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
curt at imc-group.com writes:
If we look to modern engines we can see that lockwashers are being used 
less and less as understanding of their minimal benifits comes to light. 
Rod caps, crank mains, and even transmission pans (yes, a gasketed 
joint), no longer have lockwashers on them because they tear up the base 
metal when removed, and because they are completely unnecessary to keep 
the bolted connection tight.

Curt Holland
Gastonia, 
I have a small collection of square head fasteners here. I have a square nut 
that is convex on one side with no flat area at all. The corners are slightly 
rounded and the 'flat' side is concave. No place for a lock washer on the top 
which is  not suitable for a bearing surface at all.
I got a 5/16 square head bolt and nut. The nut is flat on the bottom and 
rounded on the corners on the top side with a bearing area. Just like a modern hex 
nut. The bolt head is identical with the exception that there is to hole in 
the center, just flat with beveled corners and a raised letter 'E' . Nice place 
for a bearing surface but no way to make something  bear on it except maybe a 
die with a female 'E' in it.
Maybe some vendors just have better nuts than others.
Remember when they were called bolts and burrs?

Skip


From pmaples at anaxis.net  Tue Jun  1 14:54:46 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:54:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express - Need Help Again
References: <00e401c447fe$36caeb70$eef70cd1@VAIO>
	<034101c44809$86fa6980$6401a8c0@john>
Message-ID: <004d01c44823$16a8c130$eef70cd1@VAIO>

Thanks John this should do it.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Cullom" <jhcullom at adelphia.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express - Need Help Again


> Hi Paul,
>    Here's what I saved from the previous thread, hope it's what you need.
> John
>
>
>
> Ok Steve it is fixed. I clicked on the
> http://www.theeldergeek.com/oe_spellcheck.htm and then followed the
> instructions in the box.
>       If you prefer not to expand the file from your own XP CD or can't
get
> the procedure to work properly;
>       Download Expanded CSAPI3T1.DLL File
>       directly into C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Proof
>
> Once I copied the file into the c:\Program Files\Microsoft Shared\Proof
> folder I rebooted the pc and went to Outlook Express and it works great.
> _______________________________________________
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From kerogas at the-i.net  Tue Jun  1 09:27:34 2004
From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:27:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - Trailer batteries
References: <GAEKIMAIANIDDENKHPAOEEDAMOAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000701c4482d$18494640$be02fea9@oemcomputer>




> Isn't there supposed to be more room under the plates on a Marne battery
> so discharging doesn't short out the plates as easily when discharged?
> Glenn


The plates are constructed with a different grid pattern ,so yes they are
shaped differently (deep cycle!  )
but  marine cranking is no different inside than a car , some have a layer
 of epoxy in the bottom to stabilize the plates



From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  1 16:35:54 2004
From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:35:54 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update
Message-ID: <BAY2-F121Uix1TjtTu100006ecd@hotmail.com>

Hi Curt,
         You are doing a fantastic job on the Herc. It looks great now and I 
can't wait to see the finished product. I have a 5 HP which I have not 
started to restore yet but seeing yours is making me fairly keen.
        Great job mate and good to see your son helping.

            PS. I see a Ronaldson & Tippett poster on the wall. I am only 12 
miles from the old factory.

Kind Regards,
Lyndsay .




                      <original message>
>From: Curt Holland <curt at imc-group.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "SEL(new)" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Hercules update
>Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 12:33:28 -0400
>
>Took a few pictures this weekend as we continued to work on the Hercules. 
>Hope you enjoy.
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/6Hercules/Memorialweekend/Weekend.html
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC
>P.S. Sure hope to see those 5, 12HP Herc's at SIAM just like we saw at the 
>85th anniversary!
>
>
>
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From pmaples at anaxis.net  Tue Jun  1 17:06:46 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:06:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express - Need Help Again
References: <00e401c447fe$36caeb70$eef70cd1@VAIO>
	<034101c44809$86fa6980$6401a8c0@john>
Message-ID: <000c01c44835$80c558a0$d1f70cd1@VAIO>

Thanks John, that did the trick it is back up and running. I will print this
out this time.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Cullom" <jhcullom at adelphia.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express - Need Help Again


> Hi Paul,
>    Here's what I saved from the previous thread, hope it's what you need.
> John
>
>
>
> Ok Steve it is fixed. I clicked on the
> http://www.theeldergeek.com/oe_spellcheck.htm and then followed the
> instructions in the box.
>       If you prefer not to expand the file from your own XP CD or can't
get
> the procedure to work properly;
>       Download Expanded CSAPI3T1.DLL File
>




From cjclem at sysim.net  Tue Jun  1 18:32:16 2004
From: cjclem at sysim.net (John)
Date: Tue,  1 Jun 2004 20:32:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Gade Gathering 100 YR Gathering
Message-ID: <1086139936.40bd2e20369d3@webmail.sysim.net>

 http://www.miapa.org/show2004/index.htm  



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Tue Jun  1 18:46:10 2004
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:46:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What is Felt used for?
References: <000f01c43ae6$c119d040$baecf504@x8h7l9><4.2.0.58.20040516073558.00b5a350@mail.keyconn.net>
	<4.2.0.58.20040518072702.00b32450@mail.keyconn.net>
Message-ID: <006401c44843$76ed7a20$b092f504@x8h7l9>

Thanks to all that responded. The next time I clean my antique lathe I think
I will put some in strategic places to keep the chips out. I was also
wondering if we could cut circles using a very hot end of a piece of pipe.

I got the felt out of the attic to cut a piece for Joel. The good news is
that it is 5.5 feet wide and 23 feet long and .080 inches thick. The bad
news  is it is not felt. I think it is a belt from a printing press. It
looks like felt on the outside but has a man made structure on the inside.
It is very tough. It might be useful to cushion an impact.

  I can send  a sample to any one who might want part of it. Just send me
your address so I can cut and paste it onto an envelope, edstoller at
earthlink dot net.

All I can think to do with it is use it to cover the carpet in the back of
my jeep and through the rest in a dumpster.


Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT





From bboyce at swat.coop  Tue Jun  1 18:56:45 2004
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:56:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Carb Rebuild kit
References: <ILEPJHGCGMNODDKDIEFAMEDMCFAA.bercar@shenhgts.net>
Message-ID: <000d01c44844$dc77c7f0$6401a8c0@BillyBob>

bernie,,,  i've used this place a couple of times,, not the cheapest, but
seem to have carb parts for odd stuff,,,,
http://www.thecarburetorshop.com,,,,,,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bernie" <bercar at shenhgts.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:52 PM
Subject: [SEL] Carb Rebuild kit


> Im looking for a carb rebuild kit for a Holley 859 Carb.  This is a single
> barrel, updraft carb off of my novo CW engine.
>
> Any ideas on where i might find this kit???
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Bernie
>
>
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From bboyce at swat.coop  Tue Jun  1 19:02:31 2004
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:02:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update, now Herc XK's
References: <40BCAFD8.3010705@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c44845$aa6474b0$6401a8c0@BillyBob>

curt,, enjoyed seeing the pics of your 6 hp xk,,,,gotta love those ole solid
flywheels,,,, did they make a solid flywheel xk larger than 6 hp? were the
solid flywheels limited to the xk's, we have a 1 3/4 hp and 6 hp, i know
there is a 3 hp, but never was sure of one larger than 6 hp...
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL(new)" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:33 AM
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update


> Took a few pictures this weekend as we continued to work on the
> Hercules. Hope you enjoy.
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/6Hercules/Memorialweekend/Weekend.html
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> P.S. Sure hope to see those 5, 12HP Herc's at SIAM just like we saw at
> the 85th anniversary!
>
>
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From jhcullom at adelphia.net  Tue Jun  1 19:08:02 2004
From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:08:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT - Trailer batteries
References: <20040527185929.90416.qmail@web20207.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <047601c44846$6f69ece0$6401a8c0@john>

My thanks to all you guys (there's too many to name here), who posted with
suggestions on my trailer battery questions.

John



From jhcullom at adelphia.net  Tue Jun  1 19:13:16 2004
From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:13:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Jensen steam engines
References: <20040527185929.90416.qmail@web20207.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <048101c44847$2a94f6e0$6401a8c0@john>

I know this isn't about gas engines, but it sure is interesting. I saw on a
public tv show tonight about things made in Pittsburg, a short spot on the
Jensen Steam Engine Company ( http://jensensteamengines.com/index.htm ).
I'll bet Arnie & Dave have been there. These are those small steam engines
we all had as kids. That's one place I'd sure like to visit for a tour.

John



From tberry6 at carolina.rr.com  Tue Jun  1 19:42:21 2004
From: tberry6 at carolina.rr.com (Tommy Berry)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:42:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Herc cart progress update.
In-Reply-To: <40BCBC3C.5090804@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <000501c4484b$3db9cb70$1bba8445@TBerry>

Hello Ill throw in my 2 cents worth on the lock washer debate. On modern
engines with no lock washers on the oil pans the pans have no gaskets
but they are sealed with an extremely high quality RTV sealant. The oil
pan is glued on and the  bolt load is low Thanks for the interesting
reading.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt
Holland
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 1:26 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Herc cart progress update.

Rob Skinner wrote:

>Hi Curt,
>I'm too much of a gentleman to tell you that you are full
>of crap.  
>
Rob,
Ahh this is why we have the Nomex! Missy and I were discussing this on 
Friday night and she reminded me about the nuts and U-bolts on her 1914 
Hercules doctor's buggy. When we replaced the tapered stub axles she 
spent about 2 hours figuring out which nuts went on which U-bolt. Seems 
each nut would only fit on one stud location on the U-bolts. There are 
at least 8 or 10 U-bolts one each axle that hold the wooden runner to 
the top of the bowed steel axle and it took her a while to get the 
combinations worked out. She recalled that each nuts would only fit in 
one location and that it would only go on in one direction. So we 
grabbed a flashlight and went to the engine shed. Guess what, the 
rounded side of the square nuts was toward the surface being clamped.

Then Missy said, you've got all these engine carts laying around, lets 
look at them. There are 2 of the drop center Herc carts that the 5/7HP 
engines went on and 2 of the medium sized carts that the 3/5HP engines 
went on. All of theses carts appear to be completely original and 
undisturbed. About 70% of the square nuts have the rounded corner side 
facing the lockwashers! Admittedly this leaves 30% of them installed 
with the rounded side up, but it sure makes one wonder when the vast 
majority of the nuts are installed the otherway. Especially on 4 
different carts. Maybe I am nuts, but there are 4 carts in my yard with 
3/4 of the nuts with the rounded side towards the lockwashers. 'Tis a 
mystery.

On the lockwashers, perhaps I should have clarified gasketed vs. rigid 
connections. On "soft" clamps such as gasketed connections there is a 
benefit to the use of lockwashers. However, on steel to steel 
connections with no give, there appears to be little benefit to the use 
of lockwashers (bearing caps for example). Correct torque, bolt stretch,

and self locking (especially with fine threads) make the use of a 
lockwasher unnecessary. This is well documented in engineering books and

I can try to look it up if of interest.
I chose not to use lockwashers on the cart because of the amount of 
damage they do to pretty paint when the nut is removed. To keep things 
tight instead of lockwashers I decided to use the 242 removable Locktite

(blue). I've had to take several nuts back off and have been very 
pleased with how they have come back off. The first couple of turns are 
pretty tough and then it gets real easy. Best of all I haven't spoiled 
any of the pretty paint around it. Have only had to touch up the red on 
the nuts where the wrench was pushing on it.
If we look to modern engines we can see that lockwashers are being used 
less and less as understanding of their minimal benifits comes to light.

Rod caps, crank mains, and even transmission pans (yes, a gasketed 
joint), no longer have lockwashers on them because they tear up the base

metal when removed, and because they are completely unnecessary to keep 
the bolted connection tight.

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC





 

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From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net  Tue Jun  1 20:05:15 2004
From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 23:05:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Finally back on
Message-ID: <40BD43EB.7070609@zoominternet.net>

I'd been noticing no posts from this list ever since the servers were 
tweaked with the new list software.  I guess somehow I was unsubbed. 
 Well I resubbed and I'm pleased to say, I'm back!!!!

Ed

BTW, John Culp, contact me via private email.





From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jun  1 20:06:07 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:06:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update
References: <40BCAFD8.3010705@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <013c01c4484e$8caea040$0400a8c0@Dave>

Looking GREAT Curt! See you at SIAM!
    Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL(new)" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:33 PM
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update


> Took a few pictures this weekend as we continued to work on the
> Hercules. Hope you enjoy.
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/6Hercules/Memorialweekend/Weekend.html
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> P.S. Sure hope to see those 5, 12HP Herc's at SIAM just like we saw at
> the 85th anniversary!
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun  1 20:41:04 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:41:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update
In-Reply-To: <40BCAFD8.3010705@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <200406020348.i523mhhh021076@newidea.atis.net>

> Took a few pictures this weekend as we continued to work
on 
> the Hercules. Hope you enjoy.

Looking good, Curt!  Of course the burning question is, are
you doing an authentic restoration with 70% of the nuts
right side up and 30% upside down?

Rob



From oldengin at udata.com  Wed Jun  2 04:13:48 2004
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 07:13:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] engin help ID
In-Reply-To: <40BA40FC.8010400@udata.com>
References: <200405292312.i4TNC4Cx005363@mxsf18.cluster1.charter.net><005201c445d4$475bfa50$d3f70cd1@VAIO><003301c445eb$687a67a0$30e0a841@ibm22761389857>	<00d801c445eb$ffb99500$d3f70cd1@VAIO>	<007c01c445f4$c671cca0$7e1117d1@net.telenet.net>
	<40BA40FC.8010400@udata.com>
Message-ID: <40BDB66C.5030702@udata.com>

I posted this a couple days ago and have not gotten any response from 
anyone? Am I the only one who has ever seen and know of a blue 
Titan?????????

> Gday
>    I have a fellow who has an "OSBORNE" engin, yes I know it is a IHC, 
> but would like more info on the Osborne name...  Like his engin had a 
> tag, missing, his engin is blue, his governor bracket is cast into the 
> flywheel instead of bolted onto the flywheel.... His oiler is almost 
> middle of the hopper also. None of these are like mine nor like any 
> other Titans I have seen.  His serial number is stamped on the con-rod 
> next to grease cup (#228) with it also on one flywheel hub. While 
> giving it a good look over I see that the off side flywheel is on 
> backwards to mine, but after more looking see that his has both cut 
> outs in the same location, mine are 180 off.   hmmmmmmmmmm  Also seen 
> two other with the same set-up as mine now please tell me what is 
> going on here?  Pics can be provided if needed and am wondering the 
> year built for this Osborne???  Thanks
>


-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jun  2 04:17:19 2004
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:17:19 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update
References: <40BCAFD8.3010705@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <00fd01c44893$2d58c040$28e031d2@km>

G'Day Curt
Well done on the Herc, starting to look great, No points for the MG  GT
still the same as in 2001 when I was there.

Kerry
Lithgow NSW OZ

PS. I See the R& T sheets are hanging up





> Took a few pictures this weekend as we continued to work on the
> Hercules. Hope you enjoy.
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/6Hercules/Memorialweekend/Weekend.html
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> P.S. Sure hope to see those 5, 12HP Herc's at SIAM just like we saw at
> the 85th anniversary!
>




From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jun  2 04:42:56 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:42:56 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update, now Herc XK's
Message-ID: <55.58f4adaf.2def1740@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/1/2004 10:17:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
bboyce at swat.coop writes:

<< were the
 solid flywheels limited to the xk's >>


Bill,

The XK's had wheels with holes in them, while the JK's had completely solid 
wheels.  I have one JK and two XK's.  The JK is all original, coming from a 
friends family farm in Lynchburg, Virginia. 

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jun  2 05:15:26 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:15:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.
In-Reply-To: <40BD43EB.7070609@zoominternet.net>
Message-ID: <00b001c4489b$4a81d550$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

Off topic, but once again the list has come through, at least in part.
I now have all 4 wheels on the VW bunny held on with the 4 bolts the factory
engineers intended thanks to a list member. It might figure he'd have parts
for such a vehicle as he also appreciates the other small iron such as
Maytags.
Still didn't find a tail light for the beast, but did get a great idea for
"patching" this one from the same list member.
I won't embarrass him by mentioning his name as some might think it sort of
goofy that anyone would hang on to the old VWs............ And appreciate
Maytags at the same time.

Thanks r.c. aka m.t.

Thanks to another list member for the links to auto parts places - one of
which I used to order new wheel cylinders for the '69 Javelin. And thanks to
all the others for other links and locations. I'm filing for future
reference. Looks like I have the job of fixing up this classic car. Anyone
have the "window brackets" that hold the glass in the left door? These cars
had a design issue where the window glass parted ways with the brackets that
held the glass. In this case, the glass didn't only come out of the bracket,
but the bracket is actually BENT, and it's a "pot metal" sort of piece.

In the old days, used to remove the old tape and adhesive and use new window
glass tape to put the glass back into the bracket - anyone have better ways
or ideas? You clean the glass and the bracket channel, put this "tape" over
the edge of the glass and tap the bracket back into place. This special tape
is supposed to hold it together, but doesn't always. How do others do it?
Any auto glass people here on list?

I'm considering talking my brother into selling me the car - I'll post pics
soon.

Bill




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Wed Jun  2 05:44:16 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:44:16 +0200
Subject: [SEL] engin help ID
References: <200405292312.i4TNC4Cx005363@mxsf18.cluster1.charter.net>
	<005201c445d4$475bfa50$d3f70cd1@VAIO>
	<003301c445eb$687a67a0$30e0a841@ibm22761389857>
	<00d801c445eb$ffb99500$d3f70cd1@VAIO>
	<007c01c445f4$c671cca0$7e1117d1@net.telenet.net>
	<40BA40FC.8010400@udata.com> <40BDB66C.5030702@udata.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c4489f$51247440$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Hi Leroy,

The name OSBORNE was given to the engine because the old Osborne dealers sells them
that time. A serial number without prefix letters doesn't work.
Need some part# to look up in the parts book, like flywheels, head, rod
and the hp when you already know that.
Send a picture along, it always says alot.

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl



> I posted this a couple days ago and have not gotten any response from 
> anyone? Am I the only one who has ever seen and know of a blue 
> Titan?????????
> 
> > Gday
> >    I have a fellow who has an "OSBORNE" engin, yes I know it is a IHC, 
> > but would like more info on the Osborne name...  Like his engin had a 
> > tag, missing, his engin is blue, his governor bracket is cast into the 
> > flywheel instead of bolted onto the flywheel.... His oiler is almost 
> > middle of the hopper also. None of these are like mine nor like any 
> > other Titans I have seen.  His serial number is stamped on the con-rod 
> > next to grease cup (#228) with it also on one flywheel hub. While 
> > giving it a good look over I see that the off side flywheel is on 
> > backwards to mine, but after more looking see that his has both cut 
> > outs in the same location, mine are 180 off.   hmmmmmmmmmm  Also seen 
> > two other with the same set-up as mine now please tell me what is 
> > going on here?  Pics can be provided if needed and am wondering the 
> > year built for this Osborne???  Thanks
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> C-ya
> 
>   Leroy Clark
> 
> "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
>             W.A. NANCE
> 
> 
> better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark
> 
> 
> 
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From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jun  2 06:12:39 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:12:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update
References: <BAY2-F121Uix1TjtTu100006ecd@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <40BDD247.5080103@imc-group.com>

Lyndsay,
The Ronaldson & Tippett posters are compliments of Kerry Morris when he 
was visiting a couple of years ago. Nice photos on these posters. I have 
several copies if there is interest in them....
Curt

Lyndsay Frazer wrote:

> Hi Curt,
>         You are doing a fantastic job on the Herc. It looks great now 
> and I can't wait to see the finished product. I have a 5 HP which I 
> have not started to restore yet but seeing yours is making me fairly 
> keen.
>        Great job mate and good to see your son helping.
>
>            PS. I see a Ronaldson & Tippett poster on the wall. I am 
> only 12 miles from the old factory.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Lyndsay .
>
>
>
>
>                      <original message>
>
>> From: Curt Holland <curt at imc-group.com>
>> Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list 
>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> To: "SEL(new)" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Subject: [SEL] Hercules update
>> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 12:33:28 -0400
>>
>> Took a few pictures this weekend as we continued to work on the 
>> Hercules. Hope you enjoy.
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/6Hercules/Memorialweekend/Weekend.html 
>>
>> Curt Holland
>> Gastonia, NC
>> P.S. Sure hope to see those 5, 12HP Herc's at SIAM just like we saw 
>> at the 85th anniversary!
>>
>>
>>
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From falcon at telenet.net  Wed Jun  2 06:11:06 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:11:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.
References: <00b001c4489b$4a81d550$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>
Message-ID: <001701c448a3$113e9640$c41117d1@net.telenet.net>

Use only a couple of pieces of the glass tape. Use windshield urethane
on the rest.
A lot of vehicles from that time have about the same problem. My Camaro
and the Starfire are both that way.
The glass channel gets cleaned good, wiped with alcohol and then I put a
couple small pieces of tape on the ends (they act as a spacer and hold
the glass while the urethane cures). Let it set at least two hours
before you move it much. I usually get everything set up in the door and
then set the glass, then roll it up tight, that holds it in the proper
position and then you just let it set. Done it that way on at least 8
different restores and never had one come apart on it's own.

Patching a lens (if the lens can be separated or easily accessed). Use
play-doh or clay to form a mold for the missing area. Then mix up a
small amount of clear epoxy and pour it into the area. To make it match
the color of the lens use RID dye of the correct color added to the
epoxy.


Steve Williams



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:15 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.


> Off topic, but once again the list has come through, at least in part.
> I now have all 4 wheels on the VW bunny held on with the 4 bolts the
factory
> engineers intended thanks to a list member. It might figure he'd have
parts
> for such a vehicle as he also appreciates the other small iron such as
> Maytags.
> Still didn't find a tail light for the beast, but did get a great idea
for
> "patching" this one from the same list member.
> I won't embarrass him by mentioning his name as some might think it
sort of
> goofy that anyone would hang on to the old VWs............ And
appreciate
> Maytags at the same time.
>
> Thanks r.c. aka m.t.
>
> Thanks to another list member for the links to auto parts places - one
of
> which I used to order new wheel cylinders for the '69 Javelin. And
thanks to
> all the others for other links and locations. I'm filing for future
> reference. Looks like I have the job of fixing up this classic car.
Anyone
> have the "window brackets" that hold the glass in the left door? These
cars
> had a design issue where the window glass parted ways with the
brackets that
> held the glass. In this case, the glass didn't only come out of the
bracket,
> but the bracket is actually BENT, and it's a "pot metal" sort of
piece.
>
> In the old days, used to remove the old tape and adhesive and use new
window
> glass tape to put the glass back into the bracket - anyone have better
ways
> or ideas? You clean the glass and the bracket channel, put this "tape"
over
> the edge of the glass and tap the bracket back into place. This
special tape
> is supposed to hold it together, but doesn't always. How do others do
it?
> Any auto glass people here on list?
>
> I'm considering talking my brother into selling me the car - I'll post
pics
> soon.
>
> Bill
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jun  2 07:15:12 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:15:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update
References: <200406020348.i523mhhh021076@newidea.atis.net>
Message-ID: <40BDE0F0.9050306@imc-group.com>

Rob,
All the nuts will be 100% wrong according to general concensus!
Sprayed the engine base/cylinder/hopper combination this morning at 
6:15. Perfect weather this morning for painting in the "paint booth in 
the sky". Whew no runs! Rolled it in the shop so it can dry today. Only 
have flywheels left....
Curt

Rob Skinner wrote:

>>Took a few pictures this weekend as we continued to work
>>    
>>
>on 
>  
>
>>the Hercules. Hope you enjoy.
>>    
>>
>
>Looking good, Curt!  Of course the burning question is, are
>you doing an authentic restoration with 70% of the nuts
>right side up and 30% upside down?
>
>Rob
>
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>
>
>  
>




From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jun  2 07:35:47 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:35:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update, now Herc XK's
References: <55.58f4adaf.2def1740@aol.com>
Message-ID: <40BDE5C3.4050702@imc-group.com>

Bill, Tom,
Any thoughts as to what the holes were for on the XK's? Was this to 
support rammed molds? Something for shrinkage?
Was it advances in casting technology that allowed the elimination of 
the holes on the  JK's?
Would be some good history to know....
Curt

Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

>In a message dated 6/1/2004 10:17:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
>bboyce at swat.coop writes:
>
><< were the
> solid flywheels limited to the xk's >>
>
>Bill,
>
>The XK's had wheels with holes in them, while the JK's had completely solid 
>wheels.  I have one JK and two XK's.  The JK is all original, coming from a 
>friends family farm in Lynchburg, Virginia. 
>
>Tom Schmutz
>  
>




From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jun  2 08:21:07 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 11:21:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Herc cart progress update./ now new member.
References: <000501c4484b$3db9cb70$1bba8445@TBerry>
Message-ID: <40BDF063.8030403@imc-group.com>

Hey Tommy! Good to hear from you and glad to know you are out of the 
lurk mode. Please tell the good folks on the list a little something 
about yourself, your business, and of course your old iron affliction.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
P.S. Who knows the link to the SEL's autobiographies page?

Tommy Berry wrote:

>Hello Ill throw in my 2 cents worth on the lock washer debate. On modern
>engines with no lock washers on the oil pans the pans have no gaskets
>but they are sealed with an extremely high quality RTV sealant. The oil
>pan is glued on and the  bolt load is low Thanks for the interesting
>reading.
>
>  
>




From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Wed Jun  2 08:39:33 2004
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 16:39:33 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Herc cart progress update./ now new member.
References: <000501c4484b$3db9cb70$1bba8445@TBerry>
	<40BDF063.8030403@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <40BDF4B5.D71B9EE0@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Curt

http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/intro.htm

Dolly

Curt Holland wrote:

>
> P.S. Who knows the link to the SEL's autobiographies page?
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jun  2 08:54:29 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:54:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list-now car pics
In-Reply-To: <001701c448a3$113e9640$c41117d1@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <00f301c448b9$f4967ff0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

For those old enough or who really care:

http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin001a.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin002a.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin003a.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin005.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin006.jpg

Rust around rear just behind wheels, typical place. Not all around the
wheels yet, mainly to rear.
No rust on tops of front fenders which happened when you didn't keep the
channels below cleaned of mud and salt, etc.
Interior rough, needs carpet and several trim parts, including the aluminum
scuff plates (the pieces across the bottom of door frame.
Rocker panels are good - but then, if I recall they were galvanized and
rarely rusted on these.
No power options - non-power brakes, non-power steering, no AC. 
Auto trans (a mopar if I recall)
Runs but needs carb rebuilt - a 2bbl on a 290 V8.
All 4 wheel cylinders ordered - they are leaking from sitting for years.
Do some looking and find that as a "project car", these aren't cheap, about
2 grand.
A fully loaded and restored AMX can bring 9K +

My biggest question would be how much gas mileage could one get??
I've seen V8 automatics do 27-28mpg. Used to have a 305 Camaro that did 28,
a friend has a Plymouth Fury that got about 25-26mpg.
However, my 232 6 cyl 68 Javelin did about 22mpg...........

Bill

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:15 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.


> Off topic, but once again the list has come through, at least in part. 
> I now have all 4 wheels on the VW bunny held on with the 4 bolts the
factory
> engineers intended thanks to a list member. It might figure he'd have
parts
> for such a vehicle as he also appreciates the other small iron such as 
> Maytags. Still didn't find a tail light for the beast, but did get a 
> great idea
for
> "patching" this one from the same list member.
> I won't embarrass him by mentioning his name as some might think it
sort of
> goofy that anyone would hang on to the old VWs............ And
appreciate
> Maytags at the same time.
>
> Thanks r.c. aka m.t.
>
> Thanks to another list member for the links to auto parts places - one
of
> which I used to order new wheel cylinders for the '69 Javelin. And
thanks to
> all the others for other links and locations. I'm filing for future 
> reference. Looks like I have the job of fixing up this classic car.
Anyone
> have the "window brackets" that hold the glass in the left door? These
cars
> had a design issue where the window glass parted ways with the
brackets that
> held the glass. In this case, the glass didn't only come out of the
bracket,
> but the bracket is actually BENT, and it's a "pot metal" sort of
piece.
>
> In the old days, used to remove the old tape and adhesive and use new
window
> glass tape to put the glass back into the bracket - anyone have better
ways
> or ideas? You clean the glass and the bracket channel, put this "tape"
over
> the edge of the glass and tap the bracket back into place. This
special tape
> is supposed to hold it together, but doesn't always. How do others do
it?
> Any auto glass people here on list?
>
> I'm considering talking my brother into selling me the car - I'll post
pics
> soon.
>
> Bill
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>

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From bercar at shenhgts.net  Wed Jun  2 09:16:52 2004
From: bercar at shenhgts.net (Bernie)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:16:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list-now car pics
In-Reply-To: <00f301c448b9$f4967ff0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>
Message-ID: <ILEPJHGCGMNODDKDIEFAKEEICFAA.bercar@shenhgts.net>

ah, to new for me.... :-)

Bernie

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Bill
Dickerson
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 11:54 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: RE: [SEL] OT - thanks to list-now car pics


For those old enough or who really care:

http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin001a.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin002a.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin003a.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin005.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin006.jpg

Rust around rear just behind wheels, typical place. Not all around the
wheels yet, mainly to rear.
No rust on tops of front fenders which happened when you didn't keep the
channels below cleaned of mud and salt, etc.
Interior rough, needs carpet and several trim parts, including the aluminum
scuff plates (the pieces across the bottom of door frame.
Rocker panels are good - but then, if I recall they were galvanized and
rarely rusted on these.
No power options - non-power brakes, non-power steering, no AC. 
Auto trans (a mopar if I recall)
Runs but needs carb rebuilt - a 2bbl on a 290 V8.
All 4 wheel cylinders ordered - they are leaking from sitting for years.
Do some looking and find that as a "project car", these aren't cheap, about
2 grand.
A fully loaded and restored AMX can bring 9K +

My biggest question would be how much gas mileage could one get??
I've seen V8 automatics do 27-28mpg. Used to have a 305 Camaro that did 28,
a friend has a Plymouth Fury that got about 25-26mpg.
However, my 232 6 cyl 68 Javelin did about 22mpg...........

Bill

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:15 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.


> Off topic, but once again the list has come through, at least in part. 
> I now have all 4 wheels on the VW bunny held on with the 4 bolts the
factory
> engineers intended thanks to a list member. It might figure he'd have
parts
> for such a vehicle as he also appreciates the other small iron such as 
> Maytags. Still didn't find a tail light for the beast, but did get a 
> great idea
for
> "patching" this one from the same list member.
> I won't embarrass him by mentioning his name as some might think it
sort of
> goofy that anyone would hang on to the old VWs............ And
appreciate
> Maytags at the same time.
>
> Thanks r.c. aka m.t.
>
> Thanks to another list member for the links to auto parts places - one
of
> which I used to order new wheel cylinders for the '69 Javelin. And
thanks to
> all the others for other links and locations. I'm filing for future 
> reference. Looks like I have the job of fixing up this classic car.
Anyone
> have the "window brackets" that hold the glass in the left door? These
cars
> had a design issue where the window glass parted ways with the
brackets that
> held the glass. In this case, the glass didn't only come out of the
bracket,
> but the bracket is actually BENT, and it's a "pot metal" sort of
piece.
>
> In the old days, used to remove the old tape and adhesive and use new
window
> glass tape to put the glass back into the bracket - anyone have better
ways
> or ideas? You clean the glass and the bracket channel, put this "tape"
over
> the edge of the glass and tap the bracket back into place. This
special tape
> is supposed to hold it together, but doesn't always. How do others do
it?
> Any auto glass people here on list?
>
> I'm considering talking my brother into selling me the car - I'll post
pics
> soon.
>
> Bill
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>

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From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us  Wed Jun  2 11:32:23 2004
From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:32:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 69 Javelin
Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A720222D@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>

Bill,

It is obvious this vehicle is unsafe at any speed (sorry, Ralph) and should be forever banned from the highways and byways of this great nation. I will arrive late this evening with equipment and a trailer to move it to a place of safety, where it can hurt no one. 

The 69's used a Borg-Warner tranny, type 35 methinks maybe. The Mopar 727 didn't come along in AMC-ville until '72.  The good news is, it should be utter simplicity to make the switch.

Bruce Younger
Lenexa, Kansas USA
mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com
 

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From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us  Wed Jun  2 11:39:13 2004
From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:39:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Auction in Kansaw
Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A720222E@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>

http://gannonauctions.com/06june04.php

Other stuff too; tried to delete off-topic items.

1952 Farmall Super 'M' tractor; Farmall 'H' tractor; Farmall 'B' tractor; these tractors are partially restored, clean, ready to go. Farmall 'H' tractor for parts; Allis 1616 16HP riding lawn tractor (good); Murray 14.5HP 42" riding mower; Cushman 4HP antique water cooled engine; Associated 1 1/2HP antique water cooled engine; Fairbanks-Morse 3HP model Z antique water cooled engine with trucks; Albin antique inboard boat engine; cultivator for 'H' farmall;  2-14" David Bradley plow; antique grain grinder; Skat Blast sandblaster & cabinet 46"X28"X27" with dust collection system; Enco mill R8 spindle 12speed milling machine; Buffalo #22 back gear floor model drill press, #4 taper; Miller Matic model 185 wire welder; Kohler 8HP 120V AC generator mounted on rubber tire cart; 3HP air compressor; 3/4HP Dayton grinder on stand

Bruce Younger
Lenexa, Kansas USA
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From oldengin at udata.com  Wed Jun  2 12:18:47 2004
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:18:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Lathe???
In-Reply-To: <00f301c448b9$f4967ff0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>
References: <00f301c448b9$f4967ff0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>
Message-ID: <40BE2817.7030301@udata.com>

Gday
    I have access to a big big lathe, it has a 16 feet bed,  a 42 inch 
face plate and is HEAVY!  This lathe is said to be one that turned 
locomotive wheels many a year ago. The bed is only inches off of the 
floor and the tool post is knee high. Any ideas or just let the junk man 
get it?

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Wed Jun  2 13:25:53 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 22:25:53 +0200
Subject: [SEL] New-Way model
Message-ID: <000d01c448df$cdc679e0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Hi All,

We had our famous International Stationary Engine Rally at Nuenen
last weekend and one of the club's best model makers brought his
new model with him to shown for every one.
It's still in progress, but great to see especially the details.
The model can be seen at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/newwaymodel.htm

Enjoy,

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl




From wmrohrer at myactv.net  Wed Jun  2 13:57:38 2004
From: wmrohrer at myactv.net (Mike Rohrer)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:57:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 1919 Fairbanks-Morse "Z" Catalog
In-Reply-To: <000d01c448df$cdc679e0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <200406022105.i52L5Chh030473@newidea.atis.net>


I pick up a 1919 Fairbanks-Morse "Z" Catalog, Bulletin No. H245. It is nice
shape.
I can scan it and email it to people on the list or if somebody wants it for
on their website. I think that there was someone that did that.
Contact me off list
Thanks
Mike



From kerogas at the-i.net  Wed Jun  2 14:10:46 2004
From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:10:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Lathe???
References: <00f301c448b9$f4967ff0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>
	<40BE2817.7030301@udata.com>
Message-ID: <004201c448e6$13316a20$be02fea9@oemcomputer>

Even after the inevitable market correction 
with the price of scrap right now ,  leroy, 
 I bet he outbids you anyway 

> Gday
>     I have access to a big big lathe, it has a 16 feet bed,  a 42 inch 
> face plate and is HEAVY!   Any ideas or just let the junk man 
> get it?
 



From dcox at triad.rr.com  Wed Jun  2 14:43:51 2004
From: dcox at triad.rr.com (Dallas Cox)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:43:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update
References: <200406020348.i523mhhh021076@newidea.atis.net>
	<40BDE0F0.9050306@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <009001c448ea$b1cd37a0$6701a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA>

Damn!!!!, Curt , now you got me doing it....................just went
outside and checked the drop
frame truck under my 9 HP economy E and sure enough......
70% and 30%.....................

Dallas



> Rob,
> All the nuts will be 100% wrong according to general concensus!
>> >>
> >



> >Looking good, Curt!  Of course the burning question is, are
> >you doing an authentic restoration with 70% of the nuts
> >right side up and 30% upside down?
> >
> >Rob
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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From ELIDAS at aol.com  Wed Jun  2 15:49:16 2004
From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:49:16 EDT
Subject: [SEL] 69 Javelin
Message-ID: <4f.3f0192ca.2defb36c@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/2/2004 2:49:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us writes:

> The good news is, it should be utter simplicity to make the switch

  The end of the crank where the torque convertor fits is different. My 
(feeble) memory seems to remember the hole is smaller for the Borg Warner unit.
 Mike


From transteck2 at msn.com  Wed Jun  2 16:12:15 2004
From: transteck2 at msn.com (ALLEN JEFFREY)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 23:12:15 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.
Message-ID: <BAY3-F4mhRC23XlePqz0003d9c0@hotmail.com>

Bill,

Guy at the glass shop sold me windshield glue and it works great. Pulled the 
channel out and cleaned it. Left the window in the door, but it has to be 
cleaned also. Put a bead in the channel, install it on the lift mechanism 
and set the window on it. Roll it up and leave it for a day or two.

Jeff


>From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.
>Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:15:26 -0500
>
>Off topic, but once again the list has come through, at least in part.
>I now have all 4 wheels on the VW bunny held on with the 4 bolts the 
>factory
>engineers intended thanks to a list member. It might figure he'd have parts
>for such a vehicle as he also appreciates the other small iron such as
>Maytags.
>Still didn't find a tail light for the beast, but did get a great idea for
>"patching" this one from the same list member.
>I won't embarrass him by mentioning his name as some might think it sort of
>goofy that anyone would hang on to the old VWs............ And appreciate
>Maytags at the same time.
>
>Thanks r.c. aka m.t.
>
>Thanks to another list member for the links to auto parts places - one of
>which I used to order new wheel cylinders for the '69 Javelin. And thanks 
>to
>all the others for other links and locations. I'm filing for future
>reference. Looks like I have the job of fixing up this classic car. Anyone
>have the "window brackets" that hold the glass in the left door? These cars
>had a design issue where the window glass parted ways with the brackets 
>that
>held the glass. In this case, the glass didn't only come out of the 
>bracket,
>but the bracket is actually BENT, and it's a "pot metal" sort of piece.
>
>In the old days, used to remove the old tape and adhesive and use new 
>window
>glass tape to put the glass back into the bracket - anyone have better ways
>or ideas? You clean the glass and the bracket channel, put this "tape" over
>the edge of the glass and tap the bracket back into place. This special 
>tape
>is supposed to hold it together, but doesn't always. How do others do it?
>Any auto glass people here on list?
>
>I'm considering talking my brother into selling me the car - I'll post pics
>soon.
>
>Bill
>
>
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From alanb2 at webtv.net  Wed Jun  2 16:40:01 2004
From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:40:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Lathe???
In-Reply-To: "Leroy C." <oldengin@udata.com>'s message of Wed,
	02 Jun 2004 15:18:47 -0400
Message-ID: <2335-40BE6551-1003@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net>

Hi Leroy,

By all means,,,, If you can,,,, GRAB it.

I know I have the biggest lathe on my block now, but if I had one like
that I would have the biggest lathe in the county. 8>))

Wow,, That has to be a heavy bugger.

Alan Bowen  alanb2 at webtv.net
Williamsburg, Michigan

~~~~Leroy?Clark wrote~~~

Gday 
????????I have access to a big big lathe, it has a 16
feet bed, a 42 inch face plate and is HEAVY! This lathe is said to be
one that turned locomotive wheels many a year ago. The bed is only
inches off of the floor and the tool post is knee high. Any ideas or
just let the junk man get it? 
-- 
????????????????????????????????C-ya 
????????????????????????????????????Leroy
Clark




From christison at coastalnet.com  Wed Jun  2 18:04:48 2004
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:04:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Another mystery engine.
References: <1086139936.40bd2e20369d3@webmail.sysim.net>
Message-ID: <003001c44906$c5931a40$9c8986ce@mshome.net>

Ernie Darrow sent some pictures of a small two cycle engine that he is trying
to identify.  To check it out, go to: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/ernie/ 

Thanks and take care.

Ken Christison
Conway, North Carolina
christison at coastalnet.com
http://www.oldiron-nut.com
http://www.syrupmakers.com


From FGreatwestern at aol.com  Wed Jun  2 19:30:57 2004
From: FGreatwestern at aol.com (FGreatwestern at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:30:57 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Old Craftsman Atlas Lathe Part
Message-ID: <a3.5ac8a89a.2defe761@aol.com>

Would anyone know who might have parts for this lathe?  Model No. 101.07403.  
I need 
the Lead Screw Bearing that goes on the right end of the lathe.  Thank you.
Fred Schultz in MI


From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jun  2 19:49:08 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:49:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.
In-Reply-To: <001701c448a3$113e9640$c41117d1@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <00a201c44915$6413b310$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

Thanks to Steve and others for the suggestion of hitting up an auto glass
shop for some windshield "adhesive".
This one I see had been "repaired" before, but seeing how they did it in the
past, no shock it didn't last - they used blue silicone! Yikes! For sure
that won't hold for long.

Got it all out and cleaned up good. Used mineral spirits to do some "rough"
cleaning, will fine tune that with alcohol.

One thought I had years ago was to drill the channel and the glass and use
the tape again and use small machine screws through the whole shootin match,
but I'm unwilling to try that on a window that is very hard to find.

I'll hit the shop up tomorrow for the adhesive.
Not much room in this door to make the assembly with the parts in the door,
so I'll do as I've done so many times before, assemble, let it sit, then put
it back in the door as a unit. It's sat with no window in it for days
already, a few more hours won't hurt.

Thanks again for the tips. Good to know a lot of been down this road before!
I thought it was just an AMC/Javelin thing, apparantly not.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W.
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:11 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.


Use only a couple of pieces of the glass tape. Use windshield urethane on
the rest. A lot of vehicles from that time have about the same problem. My
Camaro and the Starfire are both that way. The glass channel gets cleaned
good, wiped with alcohol and then I put a couple small pieces of tape on the
ends (they act as a spacer and hold the glass while the urethane cures). Let
it set at least two hours before you move it much. I usually get everything
set up in the door and then set the glass, then roll it up tight, that holds
it in the proper position and then you just let it set. Done it that way on
at least 8 different restores and never had one come apart on it's own.

Patching a lens (if the lens can be separated or easily accessed). Use
play-doh or clay to form a mold for the missing area. Then mix up a small
amount of clear epoxy and pour it into the area. To make it match the color
of the lens use RID dye of the correct color added to the epoxy.


Steve Williams



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:15 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.


> Off topic, but once again the list has come through, at least in part. 
> I now have all 4 wheels on the VW bunny held on with the 4 bolts the
factory
> engineers intended thanks to a list member. It might figure he'd have
parts
> for such a vehicle as he also appreciates the other small iron such as 
> Maytags. Still didn't find a tail light for the beast, but did get a 
> great idea
for
> "patching" this one from the same list member.
> I won't embarrass him by mentioning his name as some might think it
sort of
> goofy that anyone would hang on to the old VWs............ And
appreciate
> Maytags at the same time.
>
> Thanks r.c. aka m.t.
>
> Thanks to another list member for the links to auto parts places - one
of
> which I used to order new wheel cylinders for the '69 Javelin. And
thanks to
> all the others for other links and locations. I'm filing for future 
> reference. Looks like I have the job of fixing up this classic car.
Anyone
> have the "window brackets" that hold the glass in the left door? These
cars
> had a design issue where the window glass parted ways with the
brackets that
> held the glass. In this case, the glass didn't only come out of the
bracket,
> but the bracket is actually BENT, and it's a "pot metal" sort of
piece.
>
> In the old days, used to remove the old tape and adhesive and use new
window
> glass tape to put the glass back into the bracket - anyone have better
ways
> or ideas? You clean the glass and the bracket channel, put this "tape"
over
> the edge of the glass and tap the bracket back into place. This
special tape
> is supposed to hold it together, but doesn't always. How do others do
it?
> Any auto glass people here on list?
>
> I'm considering talking my brother into selling me the car - I'll post
pics
> soon.
>
> Bill
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>

_______________________________________________
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From BillMil357 at aol.com  Wed Jun  2 20:04:23 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:04:23 EDT
Subject: [SEL] 1919 Fairbanks-Morse "Z" Catalog
Message-ID: <3f.2c93d30c.2defef37@aol.com>

Hi Mike,

I have a 1920 3 HP F-M Z engine does your book cover it?

Thanks,

Bill Miller
Memphis, TN.


From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Wed Jun  2 20:28:09 2004
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 20:28:09 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Flax scutching revisited
Message-ID: <BCE3E8D9.8527%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>

Hi all,
A while back someone was asking about flax scutching and what it was.  Well,
Rob and I had been to the flax scutching festival in Stahlstown PA.  So I
dug thru all our vacation tapes and found our PA trip.  To see what
scutching is all about, go here
http://kelley.rustyiron.com/Flax%20Scutching.mov
You may need the PC version of Quicktime to view, which can be downloaded
here
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/standalone/
(don't fear the Apple.... It won't harm you[or your PC])
By the way, it was a very nice show if you every get an opportunity to go.
http://www.laurelhighlands.org/public/cfm/grouptour/flaxscultch.cfm?FUSEACTI
ON=Group
-- 
Kelley Garcia
La Habra, Ka.
USA



From falcon at telenet.net  Wed Jun  2 20:43:12 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:43:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Old Craftsman Atlas Lathe Part
References: <a3.5ac8a89a.2defe761@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00ab01c4491c$e5f58000$b55c14d0@net.telenet.net>

Sears still shows quite a few parts available for that lathe.
Take a look at
http://www3.sears.com/
Enter the Model number and it will bring up that lathe.
Then you can select the exploded view and the parts you need. They also
will list updated part numbers
for some parts.

This site works great for a lot of old Sears stuff.


Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FGreatwestern at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:30 PM
Subject: [SEL] Old Craftsman Atlas Lathe Part


> Would anyone know who might have parts for this lathe?  Model No.
101.07403.
> I need
> the Lead Screw Bearing that goes on the right end of the lathe.  Thank
you.
> Fred Schultz in MI
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jun  2 21:02:39 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:02:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question
Message-ID: <20040603.000241.600.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi List.
I need some "expertise".

I have a 3 HP Briggs that belongs on a Roto-Tiller "Roto-Ette".

I can't get it started because I feel there ain't enough compression.

I took off the head - The valves are working and the cylinder wall looks
good.

If I put my hand over the piston and turn the pulley, there's lots of
compression at the piston.

I went to clean up the valves with a little compound and found that the
intake valve is NOT closing tight.  The exhaust valves IS.

Everything seems to be okay with the valves but I cannot understand why
the Exhaust valve will not seat all the way.  

Question - - - How do you adjust the valves on a Briggs & Stratton ???

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -   
 \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From falcon at telenet.net  Wed Jun  2 21:13:29 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:13:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.
References: <00a201c44915$6413b310$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>
Message-ID: <000f01c44921$20c757e0$b55c14d0@net.telenet.net>

I wouldn't even try drilling that window.
It is tempered and will shatter almost instantly. Heck even a small chip
on the edge will turn one into scrap.

The stuff you want to glue it in is a urethane adhesive, looks like
black caulk.  If you were closer I'd give you a tube. It comes in handy
for a LOT of other things besides glass. Once it cures it is real tough
stuff.  Just make sure you DON"T get it on anything you don't want it
on. It is a bear to get out  of clothes, skin, hair.....  Don't ask.....

Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:49 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.


> Thanks to Steve and others for the suggestion of hitting up an auto
glass
> shop for some windshield "adhesive".
> This one I see had been "repaired" before, but seeing how they did it
in the
> past, no shock it didn't last - they used blue silicone! Yikes! For
sure
> that won't hold for long.
>
> Got it all out and cleaned up good. Used mineral spirits to do some
"rough"
> cleaning, will fine tune that with alcohol.
>
> One thought I had years ago was to drill the channel and the glass and
use
> the tape again and use small machine screws through the whole shootin
match,
> but I'm unwilling to try that on a window that is very hard to find.
>
> I'll hit the shop up tomorrow for the adhesive.
> Not much room in this door to make the assembly with the parts in the
door,
> so I'll do as I've done so many times before, assemble, let it sit,
then put
> it back in the door as a unit. It's sat with no window in it for days
> already, a few more hours won't hurt.
>
> Thanks again for the tips. Good to know a lot of been down this road
before!
> I thought it was just an AMC/Javelin thing, apparantly not.
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W.
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:11 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.
>
>
> Use only a couple of pieces of the glass tape. Use windshield urethane
on
> the rest. A lot of vehicles from that time have about the same
problem. My
> Camaro and the Starfire are both that way. The glass channel gets
cleaned
> good, wiped with alcohol and then I put a couple small pieces of tape
on the
> ends (they act as a spacer and hold the glass while the urethane
cures). Let
> it set at least two hours before you move it much. I usually get
everything
> set up in the door and then set the glass, then roll it up tight, that
holds
> it in the proper position and then you just let it set. Done it that
way on
> at least 8 different restores and never had one come apart on it's
own.
>
> Patching a lens (if the lens can be separated or easily accessed). Use
> play-doh or clay to form a mold for the missing area. Then mix up a
small
> amount of clear epoxy and pour it into the area. To make it match the
color
> of the lens use RID dye of the correct color added to the epoxy.
>
>
> Steve Williams
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:15 AM
> Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.
>
>
> > Off topic, but once again the list has come through, at least in
part.
> > I now have all 4 wheels on the VW bunny held on with the 4 bolts the
> factory
> > engineers intended thanks to a list member. It might figure he'd
have
> parts
> > for such a vehicle as he also appreciates the other small iron such
as
> > Maytags. Still didn't find a tail light for the beast, but did get a
> > great idea
> for
> > "patching" this one from the same list member.
> > I won't embarrass him by mentioning his name as some might think it
> sort of
> > goofy that anyone would hang on to the old VWs............ And
> appreciate
> > Maytags at the same time.
> >
> > Thanks r.c. aka m.t.
> >
> > Thanks to another list member for the links to auto parts places -
one
> of
> > which I used to order new wheel cylinders for the '69 Javelin. And
> thanks to
> > all the others for other links and locations. I'm filing for future
> > reference. Looks like I have the job of fixing up this classic car.
> Anyone
> > have the "window brackets" that hold the glass in the left door?
These
> cars
> > had a design issue where the window glass parted ways with the
> brackets that
> > held the glass. In this case, the glass didn't only come out of the
> bracket,
> > but the bracket is actually BENT, and it's a "pot metal" sort of
> piece.
> >
> > In the old days, used to remove the old tape and adhesive and use
new
> window
> > glass tape to put the glass back into the bracket - anyone have
better
> ways
> > or ideas? You clean the glass and the bracket channel, put this
"tape"
> over
> > the edge of the glass and tap the bracket back into place. This
> special tape
> > is supposed to hold it together, but doesn't always. How do others
do
> it?
> > Any auto glass people here on list?
> >
> > I'm considering talking my brother into selling me the car - I'll
post
> pics
> > soon.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From solarrog at pacbell.net  Wed Jun  2 21:45:39 2004
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:45:39 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question
References: <20040603.000241.600.1.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <005501c44925$9f3e3bd0$456b7343@solar>

Clearence for the aluminum block is .005 to.007 intake and .009 to.011
exhaust
You measure with a feeler gauge. Grind the ends till you have the required
clearences. please, a little at a time. It will run if you take to much, but
it will be noisy

Roger DiRuscio,  Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont
Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor
scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast
Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555
510-226-9785 voice mail line
Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly
web site.     scrapologist.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:02 PM
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question


> Hi List.
> I need some "expertise".
>
> I have a 3 HP Briggs that belongs on a Roto-Tiller "Roto-Ette".
>
> I can't get it started because I feel there ain't enough compression.
>
> I took off the head - The valves are working and the cylinder wall looks
> good.
>
> If I put my hand over the piston and turn the pulley, there's lots of
> compression at the piston.
>
> I went to clean up the valves with a little compound and found that the
> intake valve is NOT closing tight.  The exhaust valves IS.
>
> Everything seems to be okay with the valves but I cannot understand why
> the Exhaust valve will not seat all the way.
>
> Question - - - How do you adjust the valves on a Briggs & Stratton ???
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com
>  ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -
>  \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Wed Jun  2 21:54:02 2004
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:54:02 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question
Message-ID: <142.2b146e2d.2df008ea@aol.com>

Hi Joe,
If memory serves, you set up your bench grinder convenient to your Briggs 
engine, and as you clean up the seats and valve faces, and then lap the valves, 
you keep your feel gauge handy and, from time to time, grind a little off the 
end of the valve stem.  That is your adjustment.   Sound crude?  Well, I think 
the flathead Ford V8's had the same technology.

Regards,
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, Missouri USA


In a message dated 6/2/2004 11:10:44 PM Central Standard Time, jlb94 at juno.com 
writes:

> Question - - - How do you adjust the valves on a Briggs &Stratton ???



From b2 at chooka.net  Wed Jun  2 22:26:46 2004
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:26:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question
References: <20040603.000241.600.1.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c4492b$5d242dd0$650aa8c0@BILLPC>

I don't know which models this pertains to, or even if Briggs had this
feature, but some small engines had a compression release to make them
easier to crank.  There was a second action on the cam that held the exhaust
valve open just a little to accomplish this.  As soon as the engine had a
little speed up the little mechanism on the camshaft would swing out of the
way to give the engine full compression.

See if the exhaust valve closes all the way when you hold the engine upside
down.  I think the compression release would not engage if the engine was
upside down.

It's been a 30+ years since I used to work on these for a living.  I
remember running across this feature and thinking it was kind of silly on
such a small engine.  I can picture the cam action in my mind...sort of.

Maybe someone can be more specific.

B?
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, Minnesota USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 11:02 PM
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question


> Hi List.
> I need some "expertise".
>
> I have a 3 HP Briggs that belongs on a Roto-Tiller "Roto-Ette".
>
> I can't get it started because I feel there ain't enough compression.
>
> I took off the head - The valves are working and the cylinder wall looks
> good.
>
> If I put my hand over the piston and turn the pulley, there's lots of
> compression at the piston.
>
> I went to clean up the valves with a little compound and found that the
> intake valve is NOT closing tight.  The exhaust valves IS.
>
> Everything seems to be okay with the valves but I cannot understand why
> the Exhaust valve will not seat all the way.
>
> Question - - - How do you adjust the valves on a Briggs & Stratton ???
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com
>  ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -
>  \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jun  2 16:44:26 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:44:26 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update, now Herc XK's
References: <55.58f4adaf.2def1740@aol.com> <40BDE5C3.4050702@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <012c01c44957$a9ff9be0$1d131bd3@athlon>

So you could see at a glance that it was in motion?
Balance assist?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules update, now Herc XK's


> Bill, Tom,
> Any thoughts as to what the holes were for on the XK's? 


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jun  2 16:49:57 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:49:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Lathe???
References: <00f301c448b9$f4967ff0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>
	<40BE2817.7030301@udata.com>
Message-ID: <012d01c44957$aa6d78e0$1d131bd3@athlon>

Hmmm, Might be useful for the smaller model bits!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jun  2 17:28:11 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:28:11 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fame at last OT
Message-ID: <013001c44957$b99d6960$1d131bd3@athlon>

Well, Fame finally came to our tiny corner of the world.
Miss Universe lived just round the corner!
We are now selling autographs as a real live residents of Holmesville!!
Hey, wanna bet we dont get rich? <G>
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu Jun  3 03:44:40 2004
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 10:44:40 +0000
Subject: [SEL] New-Way model
Message-ID: <060320041044.7877.3438@mchsi.com>

Looks like a very nice job John, is that considered a 1/2 scale size?
regards,
Curt Andree
> Hi All,
> 
> We had our famous International Stationary Engine Rally at Nuenen
> last weekend and one of the club's best model makers brought his
> new model with him to shown for every one.
> It's still in progress, but great to see especially the details.
> The model can be seen at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/newwaymodel.htm
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> 
> 
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Thu Jun  3 05:14:13 2004
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:14:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Old Craftsman Atlas Lathe Part
References: <a3.5ac8a89a.2defe761@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c44964$49bd0c60$33c8f504@x8h7l9>

I use KAMAN Industrial for my belts and bearings. Typically, I just take the
old bearing in, they measure it and look for numbers and fine a replacement.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FGreatwestern at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:30 PM
Subject: [SEL] Old Craftsman Atlas Lathe Part


> Would anyone know who might have parts for this lathe?  Model No.
101.07403.
> I need
> the Lead Screw Bearing that goes on the right end of the lathe.  Thank
you.
> Fred Schultz in MI
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  3 05:21:05 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:21:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question
In-Reply-To: <005501c44925$9f3e3bd0$456b7343@solar>
Message-ID: <00bd01c44965$4ecb3000$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

I have a good supply of decent used B&S valves for the lower HPs, so if you
ruin one, not to worry - I'd send you a replacement. (assuming I can find
them in the loft)

As was said - a little at a time. Remove the valve, grind a tad off the end,
slip the valve into place, remeasure, and adjust accordingly.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Roger DiRuscio
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 11:46 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Briggs Question


Clearence for the aluminum block is .005 to.007 intake and .009 to.011
exhaust You measure with a feeler gauge. Grind the ends till you have the
required clearences. please, a little at a time. It will run if you take to
much, but it will be noisy

Roger DiRuscio,  Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector
and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle
motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in
Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter
mostly
web site.     scrapologist.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:02 PM
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question


> Hi List.
> I need some "expertise".
>
> I have a 3 HP Briggs that belongs on a Roto-Tiller "Roto-Ette".
>
> I can't get it started because I feel there ain't enough compression.
>
> I took off the head - The valves are working and the cylinder wall 
> looks good.
>
> If I put my hand over the piston and turn the pulley, there's lots of 
> compression at the piston.
>
> I went to clean up the valves with a little compound and found that 
> the intake valve is NOT closing tight.  The exhaust valves IS.
>
> Everything seems to be okay with the valves but I cannot understand 
> why the Exhaust valve will not seat all the way.
>
> Question - - - How do you adjust the valves on a Briggs & Stratton ???
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com
>  ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -
>  \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> _______________________________________________
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  3 05:21:39 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:21:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question
In-Reply-To: <003f01c4492b$5d242dd0$650aa8c0@BILLPC>
Message-ID: <00be01c44965$579120f0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

B&S of that HP range doesn't have "compression release" like the Kohlers,
etc.
It DOES have a special grind to the cam to releave a bit of compression, but
if you have the engine at TDC, you are off the part of the cam and can
adjust just fine.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Brueck
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:27 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Briggs Question


I don't know which models this pertains to, or even if Briggs had this
feature, but some small engines had a compression release to make them
easier to crank.  There was a second action on the cam that held the exhaust
valve open just a little to accomplish this.  As soon as the engine had a
little speed up the little mechanism on the camshaft would swing out of the
way to give the engine full compression.

See if the exhaust valve closes all the way when you hold the engine upside
down.  I think the compression release would not engage if the engine was
upside down.

It's been a 30+ years since I used to work on these for a living.  I
remember running across this feature and thinking it was kind of silly on
such a small engine.  I can picture the cam action in my mind...sort of.

Maybe someone can be more specific.

B?
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, Minnesota USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 11:02 PM
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question


> Hi List.
> I need some "expertise".
>
> I have a 3 HP Briggs that belongs on a Roto-Tiller "Roto-Ette".
>
> I can't get it started because I feel there ain't enough compression.
>
> I took off the head - The valves are working and the cylinder wall 
> looks good.
>
> If I put my hand over the piston and turn the pulley, there's lots of 
> compression at the piston.
>
> I went to clean up the valves with a little compound and found that 
> the intake valve is NOT closing tight.  The exhaust valves IS.
>
> Everything seems to be okay with the valves but I cannot understand 
> why the Exhaust valve will not seat all the way.
>
> Question - - - How do you adjust the valves on a Briggs & Stratton ???
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com
>  ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -
>  \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>

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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  3 05:22:55 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:22:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.
In-Reply-To: <000f01c44921$20c757e0$b55c14d0@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <00bf01c44965$8a365e80$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

You mean like personal experience :-)

I had wondered that myself, thus I didn't go the drill route. Just too risky
to experiment on such a window.  
I plan on seeing about getting the adhesive from a nearby auto glass place
today and giving it a shot.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W.
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 11:13 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.


I wouldn't even try drilling that window.
It is tempered and will shatter almost instantly. Heck even a small chip on
the edge will turn one into scrap.

The stuff you want to glue it in is a urethane adhesive, looks like black
caulk.  If you were closer I'd give you a tube. It comes in handy for a LOT
of other things besides glass. Once it cures it is real tough stuff.  Just
make sure you DON"T get it on anything you don't want it on. It is a bear to
get out  of clothes, skin, hair.....  Don't ask.....

Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:49 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.


> Thanks to Steve and others for the suggestion of hitting up an auto
glass
> shop for some windshield "adhesive".
> This one I see had been "repaired" before, but seeing how they did it
in the
> past, no shock it didn't last - they used blue silicone! Yikes! For
sure
> that won't hold for long.
>
> Got it all out and cleaned up good. Used mineral spirits to do some
"rough"
> cleaning, will fine tune that with alcohol.
>
> One thought I had years ago was to drill the channel and the glass and
use
> the tape again and use small machine screws through the whole shootin
match,
> but I'm unwilling to try that on a window that is very hard to find.
>
> I'll hit the shop up tomorrow for the adhesive.
> Not much room in this door to make the assembly with the parts in the
door,
> so I'll do as I've done so many times before, assemble, let it sit,
then put
> it back in the door as a unit. It's sat with no window in it for days 
> already, a few more hours won't hurt.
>
> Thanks again for the tips. Good to know a lot of been down this road
before!
> I thought it was just an AMC/Javelin thing, apparantly not.
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W.
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:11 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.
>
>
> Use only a couple of pieces of the glass tape. Use windshield urethane
on
> the rest. A lot of vehicles from that time have about the same
problem. My
> Camaro and the Starfire are both that way. The glass channel gets
cleaned
> good, wiped with alcohol and then I put a couple small pieces of tape
on the
> ends (they act as a spacer and hold the glass while the urethane
cures). Let
> it set at least two hours before you move it much. I usually get
everything
> set up in the door and then set the glass, then roll it up tight, that
holds
> it in the proper position and then you just let it set. Done it that
way on
> at least 8 different restores and never had one come apart on it's
own.
>
> Patching a lens (if the lens can be separated or easily accessed). Use 
> play-doh or clay to form a mold for the missing area. Then mix up a
small
> amount of clear epoxy and pour it into the area. To make it match the
color
> of the lens use RID dye of the correct color added to the epoxy.
>
>
> Steve Williams
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:15 AM
> Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.
>
>
> > Off topic, but once again the list has come through, at least in
part.
> > I now have all 4 wheels on the VW bunny held on with the 4 bolts the
> factory
> > engineers intended thanks to a list member. It might figure he'd
have
> parts
> > for such a vehicle as he also appreciates the other small iron such
as
> > Maytags. Still didn't find a tail light for the beast, but did get a 
> > great idea
> for
> > "patching" this one from the same list member.
> > I won't embarrass him by mentioning his name as some might think it
> sort of
> > goofy that anyone would hang on to the old VWs............ And
> appreciate
> > Maytags at the same time.
> >
> > Thanks r.c. aka m.t.
> >
> > Thanks to another list member for the links to auto parts places -
one
> of
> > which I used to order new wheel cylinders for the '69 Javelin. And
> thanks to
> > all the others for other links and locations. I'm filing for future 
> > reference. Looks like I have the job of fixing up this classic car.
> Anyone
> > have the "window brackets" that hold the glass in the left door?
These
> cars
> > had a design issue where the window glass parted ways with the
> brackets that
> > held the glass. In this case, the glass didn't only come out of the
> bracket,
> > but the bracket is actually BENT, and it's a "pot metal" sort of
> piece.
> >
> > In the old days, used to remove the old tape and adhesive and use
new
> window
> > glass tape to put the glass back into the bracket - anyone have
better
> ways
> > or ideas? You clean the glass and the bracket channel, put this
"tape"
> over
> > the edge of the glass and tap the bracket back into place. This
> special tape
> > is supposed to hold it together, but doesn't always. How do others
do
> it?
> > Any auto glass people here on list?
> >
> > I'm considering talking my brother into selling me the car - I'll
post
> pics
> > soon.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Jun  3 05:26:05 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:26:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update
References: <40BCAFD8.3010705@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <021301c44965$f2ce2fe0$0400a8c0@Dave>

Really looking good Curt! I'm looking forward to seeing it at SIAM next
week!
    Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL(new)" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:33 PM
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update


> Took a few pictures this weekend as we continued to work on the
> Hercules. Hope you enjoy.
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/6Hercules/Memorialweekend/Weekend.html
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> P.S. Sure hope to see those 5, 12HP Herc's at SIAM just like we saw at
> the 85th anniversary!
>
>
>
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From kerogas at the-i.net  Thu Jun  3 06:47:18 2004
From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:47:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.
References: <00a201c44915$6413b310$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>
	<000f01c44921$20c757e0$b55c14d0@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <002901c44971$4ab933c0$be02fea9@oemcomputer>


> The stuff you want to glue it in is a urethane adhesive, looks like
> black caulk.  If you were closer I'd give you a tube. It comes in handy
> for a LOT of other things besides glass. Once it cures it is real tough
> stuff.  Just make sure you DON"T get it on anything you don't want it
> on. It is a bear to get out  of clothes, skin, hair.....  Don't ask.....

if you cant find that so easy wally world and everybody else too has goop ?
adhesives
a cyanoacrylate based thick  stuff  will stick to glass permanently . lots
cheaper than eurthane
just as tenacious



From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Jun  3 07:11:26 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:11:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re:  Briggs Question
Message-ID: <20040603.101400.284.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks to all (Roger - Ron - Bill B. - Bill D.) for answering my question
on adjusting the Briggs valves.

This is one of the engines I picked up from an old fellow in a
neighboring borough.
He needed to make space and gave me 8 small engines and this Roto-Tiller.
I got 2 Sears Square Base Briggs running and a model 8 that I sold.
There was also a 1936 Briggs Model "B" that I sold.  
This is the last of the engines (Roto-Tiller) and I think there's hope
for it.

I figured I'd have to grind recalling posts from the past.

I am a little hesitant to start grinding as the engine had run (according
to the carbon) before.  But I couldn't find any adjustment.  And, cannot
imagine how the valve would "grow" - Unless the seat wore down.   I have
a couple spare valves from junkers.
I'll try to see if one of those fits any better.

I had a 1936 Model "B" - with crank - that had a compression release like
Bill B. mentioned - and - looked for something that might serve the same
purpose but couldn't find any.  Anyway, a compression release usually
works on the exhaust valve, not the intake valve - Right ?  

This is a small 3HP & I don't THINK it would have a compression release.


From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Jun  3 06:45:44 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:45:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fame at last OT
Message-ID: <20040603.101400.284.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Reg,

Nice to be famous isn't it ?

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -   
 \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From EnginePaul at aol.com  Thu Jun  3 07:17:30 2004
From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:17:30 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Lathe???
Message-ID: <148.2b26ce54.2df08cfa@aol.com>

The question to ask are:
Can you afford to move it?
Do you have space?
Do you have power?
Paul, with limited space in San Francisco


From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  3 07:33:37 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:33:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.
In-Reply-To: <002901c44971$4ab933c0$be02fea9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <004801c44977$cfa17f60$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

Love your description - thanks, will keep in mind

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Balyeat
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 8:47 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.



> The stuff you want to glue it in is a urethane adhesive, looks like 
> black caulk.  If you were closer I'd give you a tube. It comes in 
> handy for a LOT of other things besides glass. Once it cures it is 
> real tough stuff.  Just make sure you DON"T get it on anything you 
> don't want it on. It is a bear to get out  of clothes, skin, hair.....  
> Don't ask.....

if you cant find that so easy wally world and everybody else too has goop R
adhesives a cyanoacrylate based thick  stuff  will stick to glass
permanently . lots cheaper than eurthane just as tenacious

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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  3 07:38:10 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:38:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re:  Briggs Question
In-Reply-To: <20040603.101400.284.2.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <004901c44978$74131f90$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

Mechanical compression release works as a weight on the cam gear, it
operates a lever that is embedded in the cam lobe - gives the valve some
lift where there would normally be none.
As the engine speeds up, the weight moves outward, pulling the lever in and
letting the valve operate as normal.
B&S more commonly used a special cam grind to accomplish similar on their
small aluminum engines. Yes, the exhaust valve was lifted ever-so-slightly
to relieve some compression on the compression stroke. The idea was that as
the engine sped up, this would have little impact on the running and power
of the engine. Well, their engines always seemed to have enough power for
me.

Have you noticed that it now takes a 4.5 or 5hp engine to run the same
rotary lawn mower that we used to run with a 3 or 3.5 hp engine? 
Thank your government and blade speed limits for that............

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 9:11 AM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Re: Briggs Question


Thanks to all (Roger - Ron - Bill B. - Bill D.) for answering my question on
adjusting the Briggs valves.

This is one of the engines I picked up from an old fellow in a neighboring
borough. He needed to make space and gave me 8 small engines and this
Roto-Tiller. I got 2 Sears Square Base Briggs running and a model 8 that I
sold. There was also a 1936 Briggs Model "B" that I sold.  
This is the last of the engines (Roto-Tiller) and I think there's hope for
it.

I figured I'd have to grind recalling posts from the past.

I am a little hesitant to start grinding as the engine had run (according to
the carbon) before.  But I couldn't find any adjustment.  And, cannot
imagine how the valve would "grow" - Unless the seat wore down.   I have
a couple spare valves from junkers.
I'll try to see if one of those fits any better.

I had a 1936 Model "B" - with crank - that had a compression release like
Bill B. mentioned - and - looked for something that might serve the same
purpose but couldn't find any.  Anyway, a compression release usually works
on the exhaust valve, not the intake valve - Right ?  

This is a small 3HP & I don't THINK it would have a compression release.
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From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Thu Jun  3 10:16:07 2004
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:16:07 EDT
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20[SEL]=20OT=20-=20thanks=20to=20list=20for=20?=
	=?ISO-8859-1?Q?VW=20bolts=20etc.,=20goop=20=AE=20uses?=
Message-ID: <1e1.223e7477.2df0b6d7@aol.com>

Hi Chuck, Bill, and All,

This goop ? that Chuck mentioned is all around wonderful stuff.  I have 
repaired cracked plastic cold water pipes, a garden hose I hit with the lawn mower, 
joined leather belting, reattached chrome trim that was coming off an 
automobile, and patched cracks and peeling places in old tractor tires.  When you get 
to the hardware store and look for it, you will find "goop ? " to have 
several variations, all packed in about 4 ounce tubes.  Don't be concerned about the 
different types, they all seem to be the same.  I think the different labels 
are so that people will buy more product for different uses.  

The finest and highest (actually, lowest) use I have had for goop ? was to 
repair the sewage holding tank on  the old Winnie.  It hung low, and was in the 
middle, and the wheelbase was long.  So, I would hit it on stuff like railroad 
tracks and the plastic tank would crack and leak.  I found I could hose it 
out, rinse the outside off, let it dry and then apply a couple of beads of goop 
? down the cracks.  It would seal it until I hit something again and broke it 
open.  I did that several times and never had to replace the tank, which was a 
real savings in material and labor.

Clean the threads on the tube when you finish, and cap it tightly.  It still 
may require a pair or pliers to reopen.  If you don't cap tightly, it will 
harden in the tube.

I keep several new tubes of goop ? stashed in various tool boxes.  With a 
little of goop ?, and some duct tape to hold things while the goop ? sets, often 
the hopeless is back in service.

Chuck, thanks for mentioning goop ?.

Regards,
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, MIssouri USA

PS:  Historically, I believe goop ? is a descendent of a product of the 60's, 
Shoe Goo, which was sold in small cans to be used for repairing worn soles on 
shoes.  Slather it on, build up several layers, let it harden, and, walk on 
it.  I tried that once but it seemed too much trouble. 
  

In a message dated 6/3/2004 9:00:04 AM Central Standard Time, 
kerogas at the-i.net writes:

> if you cant find that so easy wally world and everybody else too has goop ?
> adhesives
> a cyanoacrylate based thick  stuff  will stick to glass permanently . lots
> cheaper than eurthane
> just as tenacious
> 



From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Thu Jun  3 10:48:02 2004
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:48:02 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Re:  Briggs Question
Message-ID: <1ed.22423453.2df0be52@aol.com>

Hi Joe,
It is unlikely that the valve will need much, if any stem removed to adjust 
it unless it has had a lot of running or maybe had the seat and face lapped.  

Just for grins, try spinning the engine backward to see if it shows 
compression in that direction.  If it has a compression release, that may defeat it and 
let you see what is happening in the running mode.  

Regards,
Ron

In a message dated 6/3/2004 9:27:42 AM Central Standard Time, jlb94 at juno.com 
writes:

> This is a small 3HP &I don't THINK it would have a compression release.
> 



From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  3 11:22:17 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:22:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re:  Briggs Question
In-Reply-To: <1ed.22423453.2df0be52@aol.com>
Message-ID: <007001c44997$cced7560$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

In order for it to have enough wear to need "adjustment", you'd most likely
be able to see wear in the valve face - you'll see a ring worn into the
valve.
Otherwise, I've only ever had to make the clearance adjustment on a couple
(that's over 30 years time) that didn't have valves ground or lapped.
If you have that much valve wear, they need to be ground and lapped anyway.
If the valve doesn't look visibly worn, chances are the clearance is still
within range like MT says.
Valves and seats wear, that's what causes the loss of clearance. Otherwise,
other ordinary wear should actually increase valve clearance (tappet and cam
wear, stem wear, etc.)
When it comes down to it - it's unusual to have to make clearance
adjustments on small block B&S engines unless there has also been other
valve related work done.
Due to the cam grind, you won't really feel a hard hit on compression like
you may on similar engines of other brands. B&S simply turns over easier and
more smoothly.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
MaytagTwin at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:48 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Briggs Question


Hi Joe,
It is unlikely that the valve will need much, if any stem removed to adjust 
it unless it has had a lot of running or maybe had the seat and face lapped.


Just for grins, try spinning the engine backward to see if it shows 
compression in that direction.  If it has a compression release, that may
defeat it and 
let you see what is happening in the running mode.  

Regards,
Ron

In a message dated 6/3/2004 9:27:42 AM Central Standard Time, jlb94 at juno.com

writes:

> This is a small 3HP &I don't THINK it would have a compression 
> release.
> 

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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Thu Jun  3 12:14:10 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:14:10 +0200
Subject: [SEL] New-Way model
References: <060320041044.7877.3438@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c4499e$f2f1cd90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Curt, I talked to the man and he said 1: 4.
     Another one asked for the castings, but he
never used castings, even the cilinder head is
made at the lathe with a pairing chisel he said.

Regards,
John Hammink



> Looks like a very nice job John, is that considered a 1/2 scale size?
> regards,
> Curt Andree




From chesnimnus at juno.com  Thu Jun  3 13:30:52 2004
From: chesnimnus at juno.com (chesnimnus at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:30:52 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 3
Message-ID: <20040603.133122.492.2947@webmail06.lax.untd.com>


You should join the AMC List if you have not already done so.  To join, visit the AMX Files, and follow the directions.  I know of some good people to call for parts and information on that, but you will need to let me know, and be patient, as I will leave tonight for two weeks for a trail run, and will not be answering mail for a while.
-Colin

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Bill
Dickerson
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 11:54 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: RE: [SEL] OT - thanks to list-now car pics


For those old enough or who really care:

http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin001a.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin002a.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin003a.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin005.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin006.jpg

Rust around rear just behind wheels, typical place. Not all around the
wheels yet, mainly to rear.
No rust on tops of front fenders which happened when you didn't keep the
channels below cleaned of mud and salt, etc.
Interior rough, needs carpet and several trim parts, including the aluminum
scuff plates (the pieces across the bottom of door frame.
Rocker panels are good - but then, if I recall they were galvanized and
rarely rusted on these.
No power options - non-power brakes, non-power steering, no AC. 
Auto trans (a mopar if I recall)
Runs but needs carb rebuilt - a 2bbl on a 290 V8.
All 4 wheel cylinders ordered - they are leaking from sitting for years.
Do some looking and find that as a "project car", these aren't cheap, 
about
2 grand.
A fully loaded and restored AMX can bring 9K +

My biggest question would be how much gas mileage could one get??
I've seen V8 automatics do 27-28mpg. Used to have a 305 Camaro that did 28,
a friend has a Plymouth Fury that got about 25-26mpg.
However, my 232 6 cyl 68 Javelin did about 22mpg...........

Bill



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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Thu Jun  3 13:34:52 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:34:52 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Rally 2004.
Message-ID: <000901c449aa$398a9d30$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>


Hi All,

I put some images together on a page of our last weekend
held International Stationary Engine Rally at Nuenen.
Pictures can be seen at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/nuenen2004.htm

Enjoy,

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jun  3 04:22:01 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:22:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Household Junk 
Message-ID: <000401c449af$1d5c28e0$6a0d1bd3@athlon>


>  How Household Junk Can Grow Into Mountains
>
>  June 1, 2004
>   By ANAHAD O'CONNOR
>
>
>  People who compulsively hoard objects have singular
>  patterns of brain activity that distinguish them from other
>  patients with obsessive compulsive disorder, a new study
>  finds.
>
>  Researchers say the study, based on brain scans of
>  compulsive hoarders, provides the first solid evidence that
>  hoarding defines a distinct subset of patients. The
>  research might also open a door to new treatments for the
>  illness, which is often unaffected by standard drugs.
>
>  "This adds to the evidence that O.C.D. is a heterogeneous
>  disorder, not a single entity," said Dr. Sanjaya Saxena,
>  director of the research program on the condition at the
>  Neuropsychiatric Institute at the University of California,
>  Los Angeles. "More specifically, it shows that compulsive
>  hoarding may be a variant or subtype that requires its own
>  type of treatment."
>
>  Scientists have long been puzzled by pathological hoarding,
>  which afflicts up to 40 percent of the seven million to
>  eight million Americans with obsessive compulsive disorder.
>  As a group, studies show, excessive hoarders, who fill
>  their houses with accumulations of junk, usually
>  newspapers, bags of old clothing and lists, experience more
>  anxiety, depression and social disability than obsessive
>  compulsive patients with other symptoms. The hoarders are
>  also less likely to seek help. Experts say eviction notices
>  or social workers often bring to light compulsive hoarders'
>  problems.
>
>  The new study, in The American Journal of Psychiatry today,
>  compared 45 obsessive compulsive adults, including 12
>  hoarders, with 17 healthy participants. Compulsive
>  hoarders, compared with people with other compulsive
>  symptoms, had decreased activity in the anterior cingulate,
>  a brain structure involved in decision making and problem
>  solving.
>
>  The hoarders also showed less activation than the healthy
>  subjects in the posterior cingulate, an area involved in
>  spatial orientation, memory and emotion..
>
>  The findings, said Dr. Dennis L. Murphy of the National
>  Institute of Mental Health, who was not involved with the
>  study, are the first step toward defining "hoarding as not
>  just a phenomenon, but as something that might have a
>  different basis in brain activity."
>
>  Dr. Saxena said the study might explain why hoarders are so
>  attached to their possessions. Deciding what to keep and
>  what to discard is often a struggle. They are tormented by
>  fears of throwing out items that may be needed one day.
>  Often, the objects are kept in the open, stacked to the
>  ceiling in the living room, the kitchen or even on the bed,
>  Dr. Saxena said. That may result from the lower activity
>  levels in brain regions that govern memory and spatial
>  orientation.
>
>  "It may have to do with the difficulty they have in their
>  visual spatial processing," he said. "And they may have
>  some trouble remembering where things are and feel that
>  they need to have them in sight."
>
>  Hoarders rarely respond to serotonin enhancers like Prozac,
>  Luvox or other standard drugs used to treat obsessive
>  compulsive disorder. The researchers said they were looking
>  into the effectiveness of newer drugs, including one that
>  can increase activity in the anterior cingulate.
>
>
>
ttp://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/01/health/psychology/01hoar.html?ex=108711005
> &ei=1&en=2350565b6ca925b0
>
>
>  Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company



From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Thu Jun  3 14:11:42 2004
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:11:42 +0100
Subject: [SEL] hercules question
Message-ID: <40BF940E.5E4DA086@insulate.co.uk>

Hi all
After dinner I had a little play with the 3HP Hercules and from when I
last ran it (New Year Crank-up) the gear meshing sound is very loud.
Last year at Portland I bought a new govenor gear and this gear seems to
sit too far away from the middle timing gear and chatters big time!
There's a stuffer greaser which feeds the middle timing gear and when
the engine is turning, you can feel the ratchetty meshing of the cogs
through the greaser shaft.  I thought it was all the slop between the
govenor gear but the vibration is from the middle (timing) gear.
Are these engines niosy on the gears?
Any info or opinions greatly appreciated!

Jim
--
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk



From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  3 16:50:41 2004
From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 09:50:41 +1000
Subject: [SEL] hercules question
Message-ID: <BAY2-F158G9BB3mfVJ500041357@hotmail.com>

Hi Jim,
          I find most of the smaller Hercs are very noisy in the gear train. 
On my one and a half hp I had a new governer and crank gear cut but it was 
still fairly noisy. I decided the only way out was to make an accentric cam 
gear pin which I could rotate to bring the gears into better mesh. This 
helped a fair bit but I think it would have been better to get a cam gear 
cut as well but the cost for me was prohibitive.
        At a Rally with all the other engines running you don't really 
notice the rattle; it's when yours is the only engine going that it is a 
very noticeable. I would certainly make a new cam pin though to get rid of 
the vibration there.
        It also sounds like that new governer gear may not be quite right.

Regards,
Lyndsay in Oz.





>From: Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: Stationary Engine List <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] hercules question
>Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:11:42 +0100
>
>Hi all
>After dinner I had a little play with the 3HP Hercules and from when I
>last ran it (New Year Crank-up) the gear meshing sound is very loud.
>Last year at Portland I bought a new govenor gear and this gear seems to
>sit too far away from the middle timing gear and chatters big time!
>There's a stuffer greaser which feeds the middle timing gear and when
>the engine is turning, you can feel the ratchetty meshing of the cogs
>through the greaser shaft.  I thought it was all the slop between the
>govenor gear but the vibration is from the middle (timing) gear.
>Are these engines niosy on the gears?
>Any info or opinions greatly appreciated!
>
>Jim
>--
>Jim French
>fbi at insulate.co.uk
>http://www.insulate.co.uk
>
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From FGreatwestern at aol.com  Thu Jun  3 18:53:09 2004
From: FGreatwestern at aol.com (FGreatwestern at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:53:09 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Old Craftsman Atlas Lathe Part
Message-ID: <88.bf599d2.2df13005@aol.com>

Steve,
Thanks a lot.  I'll check it out.
Fred


From FGreatwestern at aol.com  Thu Jun  3 20:07:53 2004
From: FGreatwestern at aol.com (FGreatwestern at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:07:53 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Old Craftsman Atlas Lathe Part
Message-ID: <1e0.22488fa8.2df14189@aol.com>

Thank you very much, Ed.
Fred


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jun  3 17:23:23 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:23:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] New-Way model
References: <060320041044.7877.3438@mchsi.com>
	<003a01c4499e$f2f1cd90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <00ee01c44a0e$e547c4e0$6a0d1bd3@athlon>

Hi John. That is an awesome effort there.
I show my full size one with no cowl as I reckon the work casting the top
end should be shown!
I feel like going back to swinging in the trees after seeing that!!
Always there is someone who is so much better than you, no matter what the
subject, eh.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 5:14 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New-Way model


> Curt, I talked to the man and he said 1: 4.
>      Another one asked for the castings, but he
> never used castings, even the cilinder head is
> made at the lathe with a pairing chisel he said.
>
> Regards,
> John Hammink
>
>
>
> > Looks like a very nice job John, is that considered a 1/2 scale size?
> > regards,
> > Curt Andree
>
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jun  3 17:28:25 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:28:25 +1000
Subject: [SEL] hercules question
References: <40BF940E.5E4DA086@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00f101c44a0e$eb022380$6a0d1bd3@athlon>

Yup!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

> Are these engines niosy on the gears?
> Jim



From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Jun  4 05:05:07 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 08:05:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] hercules question
References: <40BF940E.5E4DA086@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <40C06573.6050707@imc-group.com>

Jim,
By chance have you checked for a very worn babbitt shell bearing that 
would be letting the crankshaft ride too low. This would make the 
spacing between the cam gear and the crank gear closer than it should 
be. Bottomed out gears will make more racket than loose ones.
I have a 3HP Jaeger that makes no gear noise at all. If the shells are 
worn the good news is they are a piece of cake to change. A half hour of 
work and you will be done.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Jim French wrote:

>Hi all
>After dinner I had a little play with the 3HP Hercules and from when I
>last ran it (New Year Crank-up) the gear meshing sound is very loud.
>Last year at Portland I bought a new govenor gear and this gear seems to
>sit too far away from the middle timing gear and chatters big time!
>There's a stuffer greaser which feeds the middle timing gear and when
>the engine is turning, you can feel the ratchetty meshing of the cogs
>through the greaser shaft.  I thought it was all the slop between the
>govenor gear but the vibration is from the middle (timing) gear.
>Are these engines niosy on the gears?
>Any info or opinions greatly appreciated!
>
>Jim
>--
>Jim French
>fbi at insulate.co.uk
>http://www.insulate.co.uk
>
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>
>
>  
>




From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jun  4 05:51:11 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:51:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] hercules question
References: <40BF940E.5E4DA086@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <002401c44a32$9d838940$0400a8c0@Dave>

> Hi all
> After dinner I had a little play with the 3HP Hercules and from when I
> last ran it (New Year Crank-up) the gear meshing sound is very loud.
> Last year at Portland I bought a new govenor gear and this gear seems to
> sit too far away from the middle timing gear and chatters big time!
> There's a stuffer greaser which feeds the middle timing gear and when
> the engine is turning, you can feel the ratchetty meshing of the cogs
> through the greaser shaft.  I thought it was all the slop between the
> govenor gear but the vibration is from the middle (timing) gear.
> Are these engines niosy on the gears?
> Any info or opinions greatly appreciated!
> Jim

Hi Jim, The gears on your 3 HP Hercules should not be that noisy. Are you
sure that the gear that you bought was the correct one? What was wrong with
the old gear? Did it make the same noise? Is the timing (cam) gear shaft
loose?
    Dave



From glenn.karch at gte.net  Fri Jun  4 06:51:42 2004
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:51:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update, now Herc XK's
References: <55.58f4adaf.2def1740@aol.com> <40BDE5C3.4050702@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c44a3b$134c2620$5f29ea41@oemcomputer>

To all,

The change to the 3 hole flywheels was a safety measure.  It first occurred
on the industrial used engines (Jaeger).  It helped to keep idiots and
shovel handles from getting mixed up in the flywheels. No claims are made
for the positioning of the square nuts on Jaeger mixers.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules update, now Herc XK's


> Bill, Tom,
> Any thoughts as to what the holes were for on the XK's? Was this to
> support rammed molds? Something for shrinkage?
> Was it advances in casting technology that allowed the elimination of
> the holes on the  JK's?
> Would be some good history to know....
> Curt
>
> Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>
> >In a message dated 6/1/2004 10:17:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >bboyce at swat.coop writes:
> >
> ><< were the
> > solid flywheels limited to the xk's >>
> >
> >Bill,
> >
> >The XK's had wheels with holes in them, while the JK's had completely
solid
> >wheels.  I have one JK and two XK's.  The JK is all original, coming from
a
> >friends family farm in Lynchburg, Virginia.
> >
> >Tom Schmutz
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jun  4 11:55:11 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:55:11 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update, now Herc XK's
Message-ID: <1ad.2486fa66.2df21f8f@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/2/2004 11:01:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
curt at imc-group.com writes:

<< Any thoughts as to what the holes were for on the XK's? >>


Curt,

I always assumed that the holes were there to make for a certain weight 
flywheel, and it was simpler than making spokes. But, I have no idea.  I guess 
there is some correlation between engine size/rpm/hp/etc., and flywheel 
size/weight.  Your thought on shrinkage is a good possibility too. 

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us  Fri Jun  4 14:44:27 2004
From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:44:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Nuenen
Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7202255@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>


>Hi All,

>I put some images together on a page of our last weekend
>held International Stationary Engine Rally at Nuenen.
>Pictures can be seen at:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/nuenen2004.htm

>Enjoy,

>John Hammink
>Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
>jg.hammink at quicknet.nl

John,

Thanks for the pictures. I am continually amazed at the workmanship 
exhibited in your shows. The finish on Harry's Monitor beats most 
new cars...

On the Otto-Deutz (and licence) engines, what is the device below the 
gear on the head end of the side shaft, that looks something like a 
cooking pot?

Thanks,

Bruce Younger
Lenexa, Kansas USA
mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com
 

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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Fri Jun  4 15:22:36 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 00:22:36 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Nuenen
References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7202255@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>
Message-ID: <002101c44a82$70be2550$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Bruce, the one under the gears is the governor "pot".
The turning weights swing out and the "pot" protect
you for fatal accidents and collect leak oil.
The other pot is for collecting the abundance oil for
the slide valves.

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl


> On the Otto-Deutz (and licence) engines, what is the device below the 
> gear on the head end of the side shaft, that looks something like a 
> cooking pot?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bruce Younger
/mailman/listinfo/sel



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Fri Jun  4 15:30:32 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 00:30:32 +0200
Subject: [SEL] New-Way model
References: <060320041044.7877.3438@mchsi.com>
	<003a01c4499e$f2f1cd90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<00ee01c44a0e$e547c4e0$6a0d1bd3@athlon>
Message-ID: <002b01c44a83$8c2c2110$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Don't worry Reg, it will cost me many years to get
your level and deep in my heart I'm affraid I will
never reach that.

Take care,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl



> Hi John. That is an awesome effort there.
> I show my full size one with no cowl as I reckon the work casting the top
> end should be shown!
> I feel like going back to swinging in the trees after seeing that!!
> Always there is someone who is so much better than you, no matter what the
> subject, eh.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From bboyce at swat.coop  Fri Jun  4 17:06:41 2004
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 19:06:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update, now Herc XK's
References: <55.58f4adaf.2def1740@aol.com> <40BDE5C3.4050702@imc-group.com>
	<003d01c44a3b$134c2620$5f29ea41@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <000e01c44a90$fbaafe50$6401a8c0@BillyBob>

glenn, are you saying that some jaeger badged hercs had the 3 hole flywheels
? i cant recall ever seeing one,,,what were the years they were built ? were
there any 3 hole herc xk's larger than 6 hp?
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules update, now Herc XK's


> To all,
>
> The change to the 3 hole flywheels was a safety measure.  It first
occurred
> on the industrial used engines (Jaeger).  It helped to keep idiots and
> shovel handles from getting mixed up in the flywheels. No claims are made
> for the positioning of the square nuts on Jaeger mixers.
>
> Glenn
>
> Glenn Karch
> Haubstadt, IN, USA
> Hercules Historian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules update, now Herc XK's
>
>
> > Bill, Tom,
> > Any thoughts as to what the holes were for on the XK's? Was this to
> > support rammed molds? Something for shrinkage?
> > Was it advances in casting technology that allowed the elimination of
> > the holes on the  JK's?
> > Would be some good history to know....
> > Curt
> >
> > Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
> >
> > >In a message dated 6/1/2004 10:17:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > >bboyce at swat.coop writes:
> > >
> > ><< were the
> > > solid flywheels limited to the xk's >>
> > >
> > >Bill,
> > >
> > >The XK's had wheels with holes in them, while the JK's had completely
> solid
> > >wheels.  I have one JK and two XK's.  The JK is all original, coming
from
> a
> > >friends family farm in Lynchburg, Virginia.
> > >
> > >Tom Schmutz
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From ozengine at yahoo.com.au  Fri Jun  4 17:46:00 2004
From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:46:00 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Reg's next door neighbour, Miss Universe
Message-ID: <20040605004600.49647.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey Reg

You beat me to it :-( After watching Miss Universe on
TV last night, I was gunna post some garbage about how
Ms Hawkins was your next door neighbour and how last
summer she helped you work on your latest model, and
how the hot weather up there means the normal summer
gear for pretty girls is singlet, shorts and high
heels....and how...Well, I reckoned Arnie might have
been interested too.

And blow me down if it ain't partly true (well, the
neighbour part anyway. We'd be VERY upset if the rest
is even faintly true). She was the right winner. Go
Aussies!


Graham in Oz

PS I missed the swimsuit section.
PPS Interesting that Miss USA was runner up, but
nowhere near as pretty as our girl.
PPPS Amazing really, Newcastle is a pretty big town!!
PPPS I wonder if she'd like to join a vintage engine
club.

 



>Well, Fame finally came to our tiny corner of the
>world.
>Miss Universe lived just round the corner!
>We are now selling autographs as a real live
residents of 
Holmesville!!
Hey, wanna bet we dont get rich? <G>
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members

Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
http://au.movies.yahoo.com


From glenn.karch at gte.net  Fri Jun  4 19:49:40 2004
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:49:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 3 hole flywheels
Message-ID: <001301c44aa7$c2772ac0$f5c9e641@oemcomputer>

Bill,

Yes, there were Jaegers with 3 hole flywheels starting around serial number
368,000 in 1928 & 29.   They were 2, 2 1/2 and 3 1/2 HP.  The Hercules and
Economy XKs were also made in 8 HP.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jun  5 02:13:06 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:13:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Reg's next door neighbour, Miss Universe
References: <20040605004600.49647.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <010301c44add$54367760$5d111bd3@athlon>

There is a line about her having a bit of Pommie in her.
I know what bit of pommie!!!
Naaah!  aint goin there!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Graham Harris" <ozengine at yahoo.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 10:46 AM
Subject: [SEL] Reg's next door neighbour, Miss Universe


> Hey Reg
> 
> You beat me to it :-( After watching Miss Universe on
> TV last night, I was gunna post some garbage about how
> Ms Hawkins was your next door neighbour and how last
> summer she helped you work on your latest model, and
> how the hot weather up there means the normal summer
> gear for pretty girls is singlet, shorts and high
> heels....and how...Well, I reckoned Arnie might have
> been interested too.
> 
> And blow me down if it ain't partly true (well, the
> neighbour part anyway. We'd be VERY upset if the rest
> is even faintly true). She was the right winner. Go
> Aussies!
> 
> 
> Graham in Oz
> 
> PS I missed the swimsuit section.
> PPS Interesting that Miss USA was runner up, but
> nowhere near as pretty as our girl.
> PPPS Amazing really, Newcastle is a pretty big town!!
> PPPS I wonder if she'd like to join a vintage engine
> club.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> >Well, Fame finally came to our tiny corner of the
> >world.
> >Miss Universe lived just round the corner!
> >We are now selling autographs as a real live
> residents of 
> Holmesville!!
> Hey, wanna bet we dont get rich? <G>
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members
> 
> Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
> http://au.movies.yahoo.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sat Jun  5 03:47:06 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 12:47:06 +0200
Subject: [SEL] The Art of survival
Message-ID: <000901c44aea$7244a300$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Seen at the show, funny thing was it didn't
leak at all.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/survival.jpg

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl




From kerogas at the-i.net  Sat Jun  5 06:35:08 2004
From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 08:35:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] The Art of survival
References: <000901c44aea$7244a300$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <001c01c44b01$ec2ae0a0$be02fea9@oemcomputer>

 
> Seen at the show, funny thing was it didn't
> leak at all.
 

I really dig the way he used the paint to point out the patch too .
He gussied that thing all up and THEN started tapping on the brass 
a bead of silicone under there would assure it water tight . noone'll know 



From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  5 07:35:02 2004
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 07:35:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] hercules question
In-Reply-To: <40BF940E.5E4DA086@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20040605143502.15649.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Jim,
Since the main bearing caps are inclined, I would think that worn mains
would allow the gears to move further apart instead of closer together.
Take a strip of paper, like from a grocery bag, and run it between the cam
gear and crank gear to see if they have clearance. If the paper is cut by
the gears, or if things get bound up, then you need to look at your main
bearings.
If the pin that the cam gear rides on is worn badly, the gear will make a
fair amount of noise, particulary if it lacks grease or oil on the pin.
That noise is more of a singing noise than a ratchety feel. The solution
to a sloppy pin is to replace the pin with an oversized one and clean up
the hole in the gear. My experience has been that just replacing the pin
will get the job done. Grab the cam gear and try to wiggle it sideways to
see how much slop there is in it.
Like Curt pointed out, the mains are inserts and it is not a bad job to
fit new ones if they turn out to be the problem. I have had luck putting a
shim under the inserts and doind a little scraping to get them to run
longer without buying or making new inserts.
I have an engine much like yours, and it is one of my favorites. It is a 3
1/2 hp model S that belonged to a good friend and mentor. It is a good
runner and I am rather fond of the moss growing on the side of it. Here is
a photo of it:
http://members.tznet.com/jprindle/alseconomy1.jpg
When I got it running, I left the twigs and grass laying in the crankcase,
too:
http://members.tznet.com/jprindle/alseconomy5.jpg
People talk about "barn fresh", but this one wasn't in a barn, it sat
under a big white pine out behind the barn, and the gas tank didn't even
leak.
Good luck with your Hercules!
Joe
--- Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi all
> After dinner I had a little play with the 3HP Hercules and from when I
> last ran it (New Year Crank-up) the gear meshing sound is very loud.
> Last year at Portland I bought a new govenor gear and this gear seems to
> sit too far away from the middle timing gear and chatters big time!
> There's a stuffer greaser which feeds the middle timing gear and when
> the engine is turning, you can feel the ratchetty meshing of the cogs
> through the greaser shaft.  I thought it was all the slop between the
> govenor gear but the vibration is from the middle (timing) gear.
> Are these engines niosy on the gears?
> Any info or opinions greatly appreciated!
> 
> Jim


=====
Joe Prindle
Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist
See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at:
www.tznet.com/jprindle
Our Club:
www.badgersteamandgas.com
See Yoo in Baraboo!


	
		
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jun  5 09:29:29 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 12:29:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show SEL Area
Message-ID: <005701c44b1a$46e34970$0400a8c0@Dave>

Hi All,
    I've been in touch with Jake Faith about the SEL area at Coolspring again this year (June 17-19.) We will once again be at the end of the third row--near the trees. I'll have the SEL area marked by Wed. (the 16th) for all to see. As you fill up the area, please start from the far end near the trees. That way if we do not need the whole area we can give some back and still all be together.

From jimp53 at juno.com  Sat Jun  5 11:25:24 2004
From: jimp53 at juno.com (Jim Parenteau)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 13:25:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question
Message-ID: <20040605.132528.-70683.1.jimp53@juno.com>


On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:02:39 -0400 jlb94 at juno.com writes:
> Hi List.
> I need some "expertise".
> 
> I have a 3 HP Briggs that belongs on a Roto-Tiller "Roto-Ette".
> 
> I can't get it started because I feel there ain't enough 
> compression.
> 
> I took off the head - The valves are working and the cylinder wall 
> looks
> good.
> 
> If I put my hand over the piston and turn the pulley, there's lots 
> of
> compression at the piston.
> 
> I went to clean up the valves with a little compound and found that 
> the
> intake valve is NOT closing tight.  The exhaust valves IS.
> 
> Everything seems to be okay with the valves but I cannot understand 
> why
> the Exhaust valve will not seat all the way.  
> 
> Question - - - How do you adjust the valves on a Briggs & Stratton 
> ???
> 
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
> jlb94 at juno.com
>  ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -   
>  \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
> 
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 


From pmaples at anaxis.net  Sat Jun  5 11:26:35 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 13:26:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Keith Kinney's Email Address
Message-ID: <00bd01c44b2a$a494a090$e9f70cd1@VAIO>

Hey Keith if you are out there lurking please send me your e-mail address as
I need to holler at you. I have not got my e-mail address book re-populated
yet since the last crash of my hard drive. If anyone else has Keith's
address just send it my way and I would appreciate it.

Paul




From bercar at shenhgts.net  Sat Jun  5 12:42:45 2004
From: bercar at shenhgts.net (Bernie)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 15:42:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Allis Chalmers b-207
In-Reply-To: <00bd01c44b2a$a494a090$e9f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <ILEPJHGCGMNODDKDIEFAGEIHCFAA.bercar@shenhgts.net>

anyone out there have impliments for an allis chalmers B-207 lawn tractor???
The impliments should fit the entire B series of lawn tractors built
somewhere between the late 60's and early 70's.  These were also sold under
the simplicity line.  Im trying to for a complete set of impliments from
scratch. The primariy items im looking for are the front end loader, fork
lift and generator.

Please contact off list

Thanks

Bernie Carter
bercar at shenhgts.net





From glenn.karch at gte.net  Sat Jun  5 13:03:01 2004
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 15:03:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Keith Kinney's Email Address
References: <00bd01c44b2a$a494a090$e9f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <000901c44b38$1d16c5e0$df29ea41@oemcomputer>

Paul,

It is kkinney at herculesengines.com

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 1:26 PM
Subject: [SEL] Need Keith Kinney's Email Address


> Hey Keith if you are out there lurking please send me your e-mail address
as
> I need to holler at you. I have not got my e-mail address book
re-populated
> yet since the last crash of my hard drive. If anyone else has Keith's
> address just send it my way and I would appreciate it.
>
> Paul
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From pmaples at anaxis.net  Sat Jun  5 15:06:43 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 17:06:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Computer Help for Engine Manual
Message-ID: <000b01c44b49$65f69090$dff70cd1@VAIO>

OK You computer Guru's I am trying to re-create the front page of my
Original Petter Manual as the front page is torn and wrinkled bad. The words
Petter Oil Engines M Type are in just plain thick block letters and I need
to know where I can go to find this font. If anyone thinks they can help me
I will send you a .jpg picture of the exact words I am trying re-produce.
Thanks




From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Sat Jun  5 15:17:01 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 23:17:01 +0100
Subject: [SEL] New Computer Help for Engine Manual
In-Reply-To: <000b01c44b49$65f69090$dff70cd1@VAIO>
References: <000b01c44b49$65f69090$dff70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <ehh4c017carp2rk79v1gp1j2v3rd6qelh8@4ax.com>

On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 17:06:43 -0500, you wrote:

>OK You computer Guru's I am trying to re-create the front page of my
>Original Petter Manual as the front page is torn and wrinkled bad. The words
>Petter Oil Engines M Type are in just plain thick block letters and I need
>to know where I can go to find this font. If anyone thinks they can help me
>I will send you a .jpg picture of the exact words I am trying re-produce.
>Thanks

OK, let's have a look, Paul.

Peter
 
--
Peter & Rita Forbes
diesel at easynet.co.uk
Engine pages for preservation info:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From jhcullom at adelphia.net  Sat Jun  5 15:17:11 2004
From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 18:17:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New Computer Help for Engine Manual
References: <000b01c44b49$65f69090$dff70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <03ef01c44b4a$d9413950$6401a8c0@john>

Try www.fonts.com to see if there is an example of what you need. Send me
the jpeg & maybe I can find it.
John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> OK You computer Guru's I am trying to re-create the front page of my
> Original Petter Manual as the front page is torn and wrinkled bad. The
words
> Petter Oil Engines M Type are in just plain thick block letters and I need
> to know where I can go to find this font. If anyone thinks they can help
me
> I will send you a .jpg picture of the exact words I am trying re-produce.



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sat Jun  5 15:36:11 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 00:36:11 +0200
Subject: [SEL] New Computer Help for Engine Manual
References: <000b01c44b49$65f69090$dff70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <000b01c44b4d$80e31ff0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Paul, is this the type of letter you're looking for?
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/petterfont.jpg

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl



> OK You computer Guru's I am trying to re-create the front page of my
> Original Petter Manual as the front page is torn and wrinkled bad. The words
> Petter Oil Engines M Type are in just plain thick block letters and I need
> to know where I can go to find this font. If anyone thinks they can help me
> I will send you a .jpg picture of the exact words I am trying re-produce.
> Thanks




From dcox at triad.rr.com  Sat Jun  5 15:53:56 2004
From: dcox at triad.rr.com (Dallas Cox)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 18:53:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show SEL Area
References: <005701c44b1a$46e34970$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <000801c44b4f$fb6f4710$6701a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA>

Thanks Dave, see you and all others Wednesday afternoon.
Dallas

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 12:29 PM
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show SEL Area


Hi All,
    I've been in touch with Jake Faith about the SEL area at Coolspring
again this year (June 17-19.) We will once again be at the end of the third
row--near the trees. I'll have the SEL area marked by Wed. (the 16th) for
all to see. As you fill up the area, please start from the far end near the
trees. That way if we do not need the whole area we can give some back and
still all be together.
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From rexhinz at chorus.net  Sat Jun  5 18:39:47 2004
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 20:39:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT , Can you ID this Mill , Stover ?
Message-ID: <000701c44b67$28dcf320$7586a5d8@rex>

Hi All ;

      I just purchsed a small burr mill at a swap meet , I was told it was
may be a Stover but the man was unsure ,  check out the pic at this address
http://community.webshots.com/photo/113498875/149764754klDFMA  thanks in
advance for any help on Make ,Model and age ,


             Rex Hinz



From jbcast at charter.net  Sat Jun  5 19:06:40 2004
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 2:06:40 +0000
Subject: [SEL] 12hp Economy and grist mill
Message-ID: <200406060206.i5626eod077011@mxsf11.cluster1.charter.net>

They're still out there. From the shed where it ran I picked up a 12hp I think Economy, tag says Engine 140601, rpm 300, 12EK. The mill is a Williams Mill, 16in #B2994. The engine was mostly complete, missing the mag and ignitor. I took it home and cleaned it up, had to pull the head and regrind the valves, had it running this evening. Compression came up and it's hard to pull over by hand now, have to wait for it to bleed off. The mill was a bonus, I couldn't see it when I first went to look at the engine, it was covered with old lumber. It really looks good, the wood is like new, most of the paint is still on it. The metal is a little rusty but all of the bolts and knobs turn by hand. It has a shaker attachment but I haven't figured out where it went yet. I plan to belt it up and grind some corn at the shows.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA  



From glenn.karch at gte.net  Sat Jun  5 19:33:10 2004
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 21:33:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12hp Economy and grist mill
References: <200406060206.i5626eod077011@mxsf11.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <002301c44b6e$9dd22fe0$5329ea41@oemcomputer>

JB,

Congratulations on your 12 EK Hercules engine find with the grist mill
bonus.  EK gives it away.  There were no EK Economy engines.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: <jbcast at charter.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 9:06 PM
Subject: [SEL] 12hp Economy and grist mill


> They're still out there. From the shed where it ran I picked up a 12hp I
think Economy, tag says Engine 140601, rpm 300, 12EK. The mill is a Williams
Mill, 16in #B2994. The engine was mostly complete, missing the mag and
ignitor. I took it home and cleaned it up, had to pull the head and regrind
the valves, had it running this evening. Compression came up and it's hard
to pull over by hand now, have to wait for it to bleed off. The mill was a
bonus, I couldn't see it when I first went to look at the engine, it was
covered with old lumber. It really looks good, the wood is like new, most of
the paint is still on it. The metal is a little rusty but all of the bolts
and knobs turn by hand. It has a shaker attachment but I haven't figured out
where it went yet. I plan to belt it up and grind some corn at the shows.
> J.B. Castagnos
> Belle Rose, LA
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jun  5 19:43:18 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:43:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 12hp Economy and grist mill
References: <200406060206.i5626eod077011@mxsf11.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <018a01c44b70$06829ce0$0400a8c0@Dave>

> They're still out there. From the shed where it ran I picked up a 12hp I
think Economy, tag says Engine 140601, rpm 300, 12EK. The mill is a Williams
Mill, 16in #B2994. The engine was mostly complete, missing the mag and
ignitor. I took it home and cleaned it up, had to pull the head and regrind
the valves, had it running this evening. Compression came up and it's hard
to pull over by hand now, have to wait for it to bleed off. The mill was a
bonus, I couldn't see it when I first went to look at the engine, it was
covered with old lumber. It really looks good, the wood is like new, most of
the paint is still on it. The metal is a little rusty but all of the bolts
and knobs turn by hand. It has a shaker attachment but I haven't figured out
where it went yet. I plan to belt it up and grind some corn at the shows.
> J.B. Castagnos

Hi J. B.,
    VERY nice "find!" Not at all unlike what I ran across several years ago.
See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Roti_Eng/12Herc/index.html and
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/12herc/dad_herc.html
Your engine was built in 1916. How about some pictures?
    Dave
PS, I take for granted that it's of hit and miss design. I think the T/G
engines built by Hercules were marketed only under the Hercules brand.
PPS, Your engine should have no trouble pulling the mill. The 12 HP Hercules
I had pulled 48" rocks!



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Jun  5 19:48:32 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:48:32 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Information Needed
Message-ID: <24.580c5505.2df3e000@aol.com>

Hi List,
I understand from the research I have completed that the two cylinder Maytag 
came with one of 5 (five) different gas tanks.  The unit that I have has the 
aluminum tank and therefore it doesn't have a flat mounting base.  The other 
tanks are made of cast iron with provisions to hold the engine down.  This 
particular model of Maytag (with the aluminum tank) that I have is supposed to hang 
from an overhead mount.  The P.O. of this engine made a mount so that the 
engine can be fitted to a flat surface.  In order to do this, the top of the gas 
tank was modified to fasten 4 (four) brackets with bolts.  
I would like to obtain a cast tank or find out how this engine was originally 
mounted to an overhead mount.  To date, I haven't been able locate a 
different gas or how the overhead mount is fabricated and where it attaches to the 
engine.  Can anyone point me in the right direction to either find a replacement 
cast iron tank or how to make the overhead mount and connect it to the engine?


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  5 20:14:16 2004
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 20:14:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Upright Questions
Message-ID: <20040606031416.49254.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com>

I am getting ready to start painting and assembling my maytag MOTOR. It is
a vertical, with battery and coil ignition. I have a few questions, for
those who might know. Here goes....
Which fuel tank is better, the one with the sloping sides or the straight
one? I have one of each, and they both would fit.
When assembling the engine, which way does the connecting rod go in? With
the offset end pointing towards the carby or the other way? The crankshaft
for this engine had real good mains, but the crankpin was worn tapered and
oval. Since it is a side crank, it wasn't that bad to fix. The crank pin
had a center in it, and I took a block of steel, bored a hole in it to
slip over the end of the crank and put it in the 4 jaw, then ran my
tailstock center in the center hole in the crank pin. It wasn't the most
rigid setup I have ever done, but I must have had my tongue held just
right because it worked real slick. Last winter I cast a new rod and now I
need to bore it undersized by ten thou to match the crankpin. The heck of
it is that I took the old rod out of the piston, but I can't remember
whether the bend on the end of the rod goes towards the carby or away from
it. I knew I was getting old when I started getting a few grey hairs, now
I seem to be getting CRS, too.
Any help you could give me would sure be appreciated. I tried to look in
the SEL archives on the atis site, but they are not very navigable.
Thanks,
Joe

=====
Joe Prindle
Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist
See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at:
www.tznet.com/jprindle
Our Club:
www.badgersteamandgas.com
See Yoo in Baraboo!


	
		
__________________________________
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Friends.  Fun.  Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger.
http://messenger.yahoo.com/ 


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jun  5 20:13:30 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 23:13:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: OT Memorial Day
In-Reply-To: <003501c4476d$0b24b960$da00a8c0@ARTHUR>
References: <003501c4476d$0b24b960$da00a8c0@ARTHUR>
Message-ID: <7CABCBBD-B767-11D8-AA01-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>


On May 31, 2004, at 8:11 PM, Arthur Southwell wrote:
> I hope all of our USA members attended a memorial service today 
> somewhere. I thank each and everyone of you who laid it on the line to 
> protect our freedom here in the Good Ole USA.

Down at the beach, I played around with slide guitar variations on "The 
Star Spangled Banner." (I'm booked to do that before our church choir's 
patriotic musical program on July 3 & 4.) Saw where "Dear Abby" asked 
everyone with a trumpet or bugle to play "Taps" at 3:00 p.m., so I did 
that on the guitar, too. In an open tuning, that tune's a one-hand job. 
Sounds good on a resonator guitar, though.

Watched lots of war movies on AMC including "The Longest Day." Bought 
the special edition DVD of "Saving Private Ryan" that's out now and 
watched it. Also bought and read a book titled "The War of the Century, 
Hitler vs. Stalin" that's on the discount rack at Waldenbooks. It's 
based on a BBC program on the Eastern Front in WWII, based on 
interviews with people who were there. Well worth reading. Little's 
known by most Americans of the Russian "Great Patriotic War," and until 
recently no Russian war records were publicly available, and no Russian 
veterans or civilian survivors of the war dared speak openly and 
frankly of their experiences. Estimates run around 30 million dead in 
Russia for WWII. It was pretty rough. Then Stalin sent the ones who 
made it back off to Siberia, along with relocating whole peoples from 
areas that had been occupied by the Germans. Darn near as bad as 
Hitler, he was.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jun  5 20:19:25 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 23:19:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP WITTE I Owned
Message-ID: <01b001c44b75$125b80e0$0400a8c0@Dave>

Hi All,
    Several years ago at Coolspring I sold this 8 HP head type Witte (http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Roti_Eng/witte.html) to a man from, I believe, NY. In any event, I forgot to give him the crank guard when he purchased the engine. I'd like to give it to him, but don't remember his name. Does anyone know the guy and/or how I can get the crank guard to him? I could bring it to Coolspring in several weeks if anyone thinks that the fellow may be there. The guard is cast iron and probably worth a few bucks. But I'd rather give it to the man who bought the engine rather than just sell it outright and buy Old Mill with the profit! 
    Dave
PS, Perhaps it's a good Charity Auction Item if I can't find the rightful owner!

From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jun  5 20:22:03 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 23:22:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Finally back on
In-Reply-To: <40BD43EB.7070609@zoominternet.net>
References: <40BD43EB.7070609@zoominternet.net>
Message-ID: <AE705570-B768-11D8-AA01-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>


On Jun 1, 2004, at 11:05 PM, Edward Tabor wrote:

> I'd been noticing no posts from this list ever since the servers were 
> tweaked with the new list software.  I guess somehow I was unsubbed. 
> Well I resubbed and I'm pleased to say, I'm back!!!!
>
> Ed
>
> BTW, John Culp, contact me via private email.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From jbcast at charter.net  Sat Jun  5 20:33:34 2004
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 3:33:34 +0000
Subject: [SEL] 12hp Economy and grist mill
Message-ID: <200406060333.i563XY50075118@mxsf24.cluster1.charter.net>


> Hi J. B.,
>     VERY nice "find!" Not at all unlike what I ran across several years ago.
> See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Roti_Eng/12Herc/index.html and
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/12herc/dad_herc.html
> Your engine was built in 1916. How about some pictures?
>     Dave
> PS, I take for granted that it's of hit and miss design. I think the T/G
> engines built by Hercules were marketed only under the Hercules brand.
> PPS, Your engine should have no trouble pulling the mill. The 12 HP Hercules
> I had pulled 48" rocks!
> 
Dave, Glenn has informed me that it's a Hercules, it is throttle governed. The catalog Ken sent shows 6-8 hp for a 16 inch mill, the 12hp should take it with a smile. I used my wrecker to drag the engine and the mill out from a pile of lumber, have a few pictures but my friends battery went dead on the camera. It could use a facelift but at least it runs for now.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA




From alanb2 at webtv.net  Sat Jun  5 21:12:29 2004
From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:12:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Information Needed
In-Reply-To: FRM8198@aol.com's message of Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:48:32 EDT
Message-ID: <17713-40C299AD-784@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net>

Hi Francis,

I have one of the overhead mounted Maytag twins.  Someone made an angle
iron frame to mount it, but the original mounting plate is still there. 

It is rather thin metal and is attached to the top two bolts/studs on
each side that hold the cylinders on.

This question has come up before,,,,
I guess I will have to take a picture of it as it is now then take it
apart to show the original plate and post the pictures on a web page.
With my new job I don't have much engine time available, but I will try
to get at it soon.  

That Maytag, with the others and a 4hp footed-base Ottawa, is in a Ford
van that that I need to empty out and have the scrap man haul away this
week anyway.

If you would rather have a different style tank then I have a friend
that probably has one for sale.  I could give him a call. He isn't
online. It would be a while before I could grab it for you.

Alan Bowen  alanb2 at webtv.net
Williamsburg, Michigan


~~~~~~You wrote~~~~~

Hi List, 
I understand from the research I have completed that the two cylinder
Maytag came with one of 5 (five) different gas tanks. The unit that I
have has the aluminum tank and therefore it doesn't have a flat mounting
base. The other tanks are made of cast iron with provisions to hold the
engine down. This particular model of Maytag (with the aluminum tank)
that I have is supposed to hang from an overhead mount. The P.O. of this
engine made a mount so that the engine can be fitted to a flat surface.
In order to do this, the top of the gas tank was modified to fasten 4
(four) brackets with bolts. I would like to obtain a cast tank or find
out how this engine was originally mounted to an overhead mount. To
date, I haven't been able locate a different gas or how the overhead
mount is fabricated and where it attaches to the engine. Can anyone
point me in the right direction to either find a replacement cast iron
tank or how to make the overhead mount and connect it to the engine? 
Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jun  5 21:12:35 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:12:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Upright Questions
References: <20040606031416.49254.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01be01c44b7c$7fcac6c0$0400a8c0@Dave>

Hi Joe, Perhaps I can help with at least some if your problems.
From: "Joe Prindle" <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>

> I am getting ready to start painting and assembling my maytag MOTOR. It is
> a vertical, with battery and coil ignition. I have a few questions, for
> those who might know. Here goes....
> Which fuel tank is better, the one with the sloping sides or the straight
> one? I have one of each, and they both would fit.

You will fine that if you use the tank with sloping sides that your MAYTAG
will not start nor run. On the other side of the coin, you will find that if
you use the tank with the straight sides your MAYTAG will not start nor run.

> When assembling the engine, which way does the connecting rod go in? With
> the offset end pointing towards the carby or the other way?

It's always best when putting the connecting rod in to put the end attached
to the piston in first. It doesn't help with making the MOTOR run, but
cosmetically it seems the thing to do.

 had real good mains, but the crankpin was worn tapered and
> oval. Since it is a side crank, it wasn't that bad to fix. The crank pin
> had a center in it, and I took a block of steel, bored a hole in it to
> slip over the end of the crank and put it in the 4 jaw, then ran my
> tailstock center in the center hole in the crank pin. It wasn't the most
> rigid setup I have ever done, but I must have had my tongue held just
> right because it worked real slick.

Joe, PLEASE remember that this is a family oriented List. This sort of talk
is, I'm sure, very acceptable on the LIBERAL lists to which you subscribe,
and I've heard you LIBERALS say that "It's only kinky the first time."
However, kindly remember that we have some women under the age of 40 on our
List with virgin ears!

Last winter I cast a new rod and now I
> need to bore it undersized by ten thou to match the crankpin. The heck of
> it is that I took the old rod out of the piston, but I can't remember
> whether the bend on the end of the rod goes towards the carby or away from
> it.
The MOTOR will not run which-ever way you put it in. But be of good cheer
for NONE of Fred's instruments of the devil ever did run!

> I knew I was getting old when I started getting a few grey hairs, now
> I seem to be getting CRS, too.
> Any help you could give me would sure be appreciated. I tried to look in
> the SEL archives on the atis site, but they are not very navigable.
> Thanks,
> Joe

    I sure hope that I've been of help to you Joe. Someone like you who
supports a looser in the election to be held in about 150 days needs all the
help that they can get!
    Dave
PS, I tried to find your snail on your HP so that I could send you a copy of
the MAYTAG Service Manual that I have copied for friends in the past.
However, your snail is not there. I guess that if Interpol were looking for
me I wouldn't publish my snail either!
PPS, Send me your snail off List. I'll copy it to the envelope into which
I'll put the Service Manual and then eat the paper so that Interpol will not
be able to find it. The Manual will then go out tomorrow and all your
problems will be solved by Wed. at the latest!



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Jun  6 02:18:25 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 05:18:25 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Upright Questions
Message-ID: <7e.502a7788.2df43b61@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/5/2004 9:28:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
rotigel at alltel.net writes:
PS, I tried to find your snail on your HP so that I could send you a copy of
the MAYTAG Service Manual that I have copied for friends in the past.
However, your snail is not there. I guess that if Interpol were looking for
me I wouldn't publish my snail either!
PPS, Send me your snail off List. I'll copy it to the envelope into which
I'll put the Service Manual and then eat the paper so that Interpol will not
be able to find it. The Manual will then go out tomorrow and all your
problems will be solved by Wed. at the latest!
Dave,
This is the site where I found the Service Instructions for Maytag Models 72, 
82, & 92.

http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Maytag_SM.pdf


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  6 08:46:31 2004
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 08:46:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Upright Questions
In-Reply-To: <01be01c44b7c$7fcac6c0$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <20040606154631.46783.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>

Greetings Dave,
You do realize I would have been disappointed had you not responded to my
maytag Motor query, don't you?

--- Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> Hi Joe, Perhaps I can help with at least some if your problems.

Dave, I know you are an amazing fellow, and capable of great things, but
NOT a miracle worker. Thanks for the help, though! 
 
> You will fine that if you use the tank with sloping sides that your
> MAYTAG
> will not start nor run. On the other side of the coin, you will find
> that if
> you use the tank with the straight sides your MAYTAG will not start nor
> run.

Dave, you are assuming that I believe that a maytag MOTOR will run. I
didn't say anything about running it, just putting it together and
painting it to make a nice static display. I call it a static display
because I am sure to get a lot of static from my "friends" when I display
it!
> 
> 
> It's always best when putting the connecting rod in to put the end
> attached
> to the piston in first. It doesn't help with making the MOTOR run, but
> cosmetically it seems the thing to do.

Like I said, running is not the goal, assembling it is. OK, now I get it,
rod goes in piston end up. I knew I was missing something.


> Joe, PLEASE remember that this is a family oriented List. This sort of
> talk
> is, I'm sure, very acceptable on the LIBERAL lists to which you
> subscribe,
> and I've heard you LIBERALS say that "It's only kinky the first time."
> However, kindly remember that we have some women under the age of 40 on
> our
> List with virgin ears!

Kinky involes the use of a feather, while perverted involves the entire
chicken! I do wish to apologise (note spelling of apologise) if I have
offended the fair maiden in question. I will not comment on the "Liberal"
comments for fear of getting too many folk's blood pressure up. You call
it "Liberal", I call it "open-minded". ;-)

> 
>     I sure hope that I've been of help to you Joe. Someone like you who
> supports a looser in the election to be held in about 150 days needs all
> the
> help that they can get!

I think you are trying to bait me into making comments about how I voted
last time or how I made a mistake thinking the guy who gets the most votes
wins. Well, I won't do it because once my man wins in November, I don't
want to seem smug about it.

>     Dave
> PS, I tried to find your snail on your HP so that I could send you a
> copy of
> the MAYTAG Service Manual that I have copied for friends in the past.
> However, your snail is not there. I guess that if Interpol were looking
> for
> me I wouldn't publish my snail either!

I took my address off my page when I admitted to the world that I owned a
maytag MOTOR. I was concerned about the DNR and EPA decending on me with a
BFH. Here it is:
In town:
Joe Prindle
Post Office Box 1381
Wisconsin Rapids, WI, 54495
715-424-0793

Out at the shop and the farm:

Joe Prindle III
3090 8th Drive
Grand Marsh, WI, 53936

The engine I have is a lot different than the 72,82 & 92, so a manual for
them wouldn't do me any good. I am not going to make a habit out of
restoring maytags, but I bought this one for $3 and am only doing it up to
make a few bucks, although I am sort of fond to it, it is sort of a cute
little bugger.

Thanks for all the help, Dave! I am really looking forward to meeting up
with you at our show this year. I have met up with a few people from the
list now, Arnie,Curt Andree, Leroy, Luke T., Marv from mn, John Clemens,
Ed Herreid, Bill Brueck, and a few others, and it is real thrill to meet
folks in person after you get to "know them" via email.It is a real blast.
Even meeting Reg was great, but I need a hearing aid and he needs an
interpreter, between him speaking softly, my hard of hearing, and that
accent, I could just smile and nod. Why can't folks talk normal like we do
up nort' here? Beth was disappointed that she didn't get to meet Reg last
year, but I gave her the traditional Ozzie greeting for him!
Later,
Joe



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From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Jun  6 07:48:08 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 10:48:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update, now Herc XK's
Message-ID: <20040606.120350.492.3.jlb94@juno.com>

I use the holes in mine to move it around the garage.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -   
 \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Jun  6 07:55:40 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 10:55:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update, now Herc XK's
Message-ID: <20040606.120350.492.8.jlb94@juno.com>

some jaeger badged hercs had the 3 hole flywheels
=        =        =        =        
I have a 1928 S - 2? HP with 3 hole flywheel in my garage.

(See my webshots under "toys".

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -   
\/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Jun  6 07:59:20 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 10:59:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show SEL Area
Message-ID: <20040606.120350.492.10.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Dave,

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -   
 \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From christison at coastalnet.com  Sun Jun  6 09:26:50 2004
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:26:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT , Can you ID this Mill , Stover ?
References: <000701c44b67$28dcf320$7586a5d8@rex>
Message-ID: <001b01c44be3$138ec6c0$0100a8c0@mshome.net>

Rex,

In case nobody else has emailed you off list, your mill is indeed
Stover built.  It is one of the larger hand cranked models.  I don't
have any more to offer except it looks like a decent mill.

Take care.

Ken Christison
Conway, NC
christison at coastalnet.com
http://www.oldiron-nut.com
http://www.syrupmakers.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rex Hinz" <rexhinz at chorus.net>
Subject: [SEL] OT , Can you ID this Mill , Stover ?


> Hi All ;
> 
>       I just purchsed a small burr mill at a swap meet 

> 
>              Rex Hinz



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sun Jun  6 14:06:32 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 23:06:32 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.
Message-ID: <000701c44c0a$24e30c20$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>


Dr. Dave, smash your ceramic Old Mill bank!
     Here is the opportunity.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11754&item=3820076062&rd=1

Take care,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl




From sel at antique-engine.com  Sun Jun  6 14:51:01 2004
From: sel at antique-engine.com (Craig Prucha)
Date: Sun,  6 Jun 2004 14:51:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP WITTE I Owned
In-Reply-To: <01b001c44b75$125b80e0$0400a8c0@Dave>
References: <01b001c44b75$125b80e0$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <1086558660.40c391c50273a@login.kupio.lunarpages.com>

Hi dave,

The fellows name is Howard Hoffman, from East Auora, NY. who bought your Witte.
Howard will not be at Coolspring this June but if you want, I can deliver the
crank guard to him. He's a good friend of mine. Thanks, Craig...



Quoting Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>:

> Hi All,
>     Several years ago at Coolspring I sold this 8 HP head type Witte
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Roti_Eng/witte.html) to a man from,
> I believe, NY. In any event, I forgot to give him the crank guard when he
> purchased the engine. I'd like to give it to him, but don't remember his
> name. Does anyone know the guy and/or how I can get the crank guard to him? I
> could bring it to Coolspring in several weeks if anyone thinks that the
> fellow may be there. The guard is cast iron and probably worth a few bucks.
> But I'd rather give it to the man who bought the engine rather than just sell
> it outright and buy Old Mill with the profit! 
>     Dave
> PS, Perhaps it's a good Charity Auction Item if I can't find the rightful
> owner!



From alanb2 at webtv.net  Sun Jun  6 16:10:23 2004
From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:10:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.
In-Reply-To: John Hammink <jg.hammink@quicknet.nl>'s message of Sun, 06 Jun
	2004 23:06:32 +0200
Message-ID: <18846-40C3A45F-3240@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net>

Hi John,

With two Maytag 92s, two Maytag 72s plus six or seven ice cream machines
around here, I think I will leave that over priced toy alone. 8>))

Besides that,,,,,

A Maytag Ice Cream attachment hooks onto any Maytag washer in place of
the wringer. I have seen a couple of them, but I didn't have the $650
USD that the guy was asking for one.  He had Maytag meat grinders too.

I think all but one of my ice cream machines make six quarts at a time.
Now to just find the proper right angle drive unit,,,,,,,,

Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net
Williamsburg, Michigan

~~~~John?Hammink wrote~~~~~

Dr. Dave, smash your ceramic Old Mill bank! ? ? Here is the
opportunity. 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11754&item=3820076062&rd=1 
Take care,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl




From rexhinz at chorus.net  Sun Jun  6 16:42:22 2004
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:42:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.
References: <000701c44c0a$24e30c20$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <000e01c44c1f$eaa51100$0486a5d8@rex>

Hey John ;

        I built one simular to the one on Ebay but after all the info on the
Maytags from Dave  I decided to put a flat belt pulley on it and use a Hit
Miss, Mine Has a Three speed transmission on it ( you just might  want to
mix some cement ) I,ll put a pic up on the web if you would like to see it ,
My Maytags run better on Dave's gas oil mix of 1000 to 1 but I run into a
lack of power after a awhile of  mixing the cream , Its no antique but my
grandkids love the results :-)

 Rex


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "sel at list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 4:06 PM
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.


>
> Dr. Dave, smash your ceramic Old Mill bank!
>      Here is the opportunity.
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11754&item=3820076062&rd=1
>
> Take care,
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Jun  6 20:01:55 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:01:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP WITTE I Owned
References: <01b001c44b75$125b80e0$0400a8c0@Dave>
	<1086558660.40c391c50273a@login.kupio.lunarpages.com>
Message-ID: <016f01c44c3b$caf1c440$0400a8c0@Dave>

Hi Craig,
    I'll bring the crank guard (really a cover) to Coolspring with me and
hand it off to you. Thanks for getting it to the owner. Has he shown the
engine? His big worry was that perhaps he could not start an engine so big.
I guess that everything in the engine world is relative!
    Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Craig Prucha" <sel at antique-engine.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 8 HP WITTE I Owned


> Hi dave,
>
> The fellows name is Howard Hoffman, from East Auora, NY. who bought your
Witte.
> Howard will not be at Coolspring this June but if you want, I can deliver
the
> crank guard to him. He's a good friend of mine. Thanks, Craig...
>
>
>
> Quoting Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>:
>
> > Hi All,
> >     Several years ago at Coolspring I sold this 8 HP head type Witte
> > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Roti_Eng/witte.html) to a man
from,
> > I believe, NY. In any event, I forgot to give him the crank guard when
he
> > purchased the engine. I'd like to give it to him, but don't remember his
> > name. Does anyone know the guy and/or how I can get the crank guard to
him? I
> > could bring it to Coolspring in several weeks if anyone thinks that the
> > fellow may be there. The guard is cast iron and probably worth a few
bucks.
> > But I'd rather give it to the man who bought the engine rather than just
sell
> > it outright and buy Old Mill with the profit!
> >     Dave
> > PS, Perhaps it's a good Charity Auction Item if I can't find the
rightful
> > owner!
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From sel at antique-engine.com  Sun Jun  6 20:46:47 2004
From: sel at antique-engine.com (Craig Prucha)
Date: Sun,  6 Jun 2004 20:46:47 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP WITTE I Owned
In-Reply-To: <016f01c44c3b$caf1c440$0400a8c0@Dave>
References: <01b001c44b75$125b80e0$0400a8c0@Dave>
	<1086558660.40c391c50273a@login.kupio.lunarpages.com>
	<016f01c44c3b$caf1c440$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <1086580007.40c3e527b4adb@login.kupio.lunarpages.com>

Hi Dave,

Howard has shown the engine at a few shows I have been too. One of them I
remember was the Port Allegheny show in North Central Pa., and yes it was
running. I know Howard liked the fact he could just hook up to the trailer and
off the show. Well take care and see you at Coolspring. See ya, Craig...


Quoting Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>:

> Hi Craig,
>     I'll bring the crank guard (really a cover) to Coolspring with me and
> hand it off to you. Thanks for getting it to the owner. Has he shown the
> engine? His big worry was that perhaps he could not start an engine so big.
> I guess that everything in the engine world is relative!
>     Dave



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Jun  7 00:34:55 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 09:34:55 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.
References: <000701c44c0a$24e30c20$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<000e01c44c1f$eaa51100$0486a5d8@rex>
Message-ID: <001301c44c61$edb83e70$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Hi Rex, I would love that to see a picture of your ice cream unit.

Thanks in advance,

Regards,John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl



>         I built one simular to the one on Ebay but after all the info on the
> Maytags from Dave  I decided to put a flat belt pulley on it and use a Hit
> Miss, Mine Has a Three speed transmission on it ( you just might  want to
> mix some cement ) I,ll put a pic up on the web if you would like to see it ,
> My Maytags run better on Dave's gas oil mix of 1000 to 1 but I run into a
> lack of power after a awhile of  mixing the cream , Its no antique but my
> grandkids love the results :-)
> 
>  Rex




From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Jun  7 04:47:21 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:47:21 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.
Message-ID: <155.36b6998e.2df5afc9@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/6/2004 7:24:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
alanb2 at webtv.net writes:

<< I think I will leave that over priced toy alone >>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11754&item=3820076062&r
d=1


$1900 for parts using a High priced Maytag motor/ White Mountain freezer/ and 
other parts, must make the clutch and gear reducer about $1000.  Seems high!
$1000 labor at 45 hours is $22/hour.  He works cheap!  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From solarrog at pacbell.net  Mon Jun  7 08:11:50 2004
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:11:50 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.
References: <155.36b6998e.2df5afc9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <019601c44ca1$c2955a30$a9f2af40@solar>

I wonder how you put a price on something like this, He did a nice job on
it, It must have really taken alot of time, But I think he's asking about 3
times what its worth. But as always, someone will prove me wrong.

Roger DiRuscio,  Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont
Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor
scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast
Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555
510-226-9785 voice mail line
Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly
web site.     scrapologist.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.


> In a message dated 6/6/2004 7:24:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> alanb2 at webtv.net writes:
>
> << I think I will leave that over priced toy alone >>
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11754&item=3820076062&r
> d=1
>
>
> $1900 for parts using a High priced Maytag motor/ White Mountain freezer/
and
> other parts, must make the clutch and gear reducer about $1000.  Seems
high!
> $1000 labor at 45 hours is $22/hour.  He works cheap!
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jun  7 08:45:05 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:45:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.
In-Reply-To: <019601c44ca1$c2955a30$a9f2af40@solar>
Message-ID: <001001c44ca6$761d2480$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

I think it was Uncle Dave who professes that an item is worth whatever a
buyer will pay for it. 
So...........
Although it's WAAY out of my range, and I'd never pay that for it, so I
don't think it's worth that, it's POSSIBLE that someone else will - or maybe
they won't!

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Roger DiRuscio
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 10:12 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.


I wonder how you put a price on something like this, He did a nice job on
it, It must have really taken alot of time, But I think he's asking about 3
times what its worth. But as always, someone will prove me wrong.

Roger DiRuscio,  Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector
and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle
motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in
Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter
mostly
web site.     scrapologist.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.


> In a message dated 6/6/2004 7:24:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> alanb2 at webtv.net writes:
>
> << I think I will leave that over priced toy alone >>
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11754&item=3820076062
&r
> d=1
>
>
> $1900 for parts using a High priced Maytag motor/ White Mountain 
> freezer/
and
> other parts, must make the clutch and gear reducer about $1000.  Seems
high!
> $1000 labor at 45 hours is $22/hour.  He works cheap!
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  7 08:53:23 2004
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 10:53:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Governor Pots
Message-ID: <BAY1-F141qboZpxjlYu00049a25@hotmail.com>

>Bruce, the one under the gears is the governor "pot".
>The turning weights swing out and the "pot" protect
>you for fatal accidents and collect leak oil.
>The other pot is for collecting the abundance oil for
>the slide valves.

>Regards,
>John Hammink

Thanks, John, that makes "neat" sense, to collect the stray
lubricant before it hoses folks nearby and makes a mess.
Hadn't thought about it, but slide valves would take a lot
of oil.

Grandpa had a slide-valve Willys-Knight automobile, but all the
sliding and valving were internal - couldn't watch the fun. It
was a very quiet engine...


Bruce Younger
05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
Lenexa, KS
sluggo54 at hotmail.com

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From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jun  7 09:11:25 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 12:11:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.
Message-ID: <40C493AD.6040208@imc-group.com>

Have a couple of water transfer decals to put on and would like a little 
advice about putting them on. I think I was a pre-teen the last time I 
did these and that was on model airplanes or something like it. Can 
anyone tell me the proceedure and the tricks of the trade?
Thanks,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC



From jhcullom at adelphia.net  Mon Jun  7 09:19:33 2004
From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:19:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.
References: <40C493AD.6040208@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <032b01c44cab$38273a30$6401a8c0@john>

Hi Curt,
   When I did them a couple of years ago, I just put some warm water in a
shallow pan & let the decals soak in it for about 30 seconds or so (there
are probably directions on the back of the decals). Then I just held the
decal up to what I was putting it on & gently slid it off the backing onto
the surface. For the first few seconds you can position the decal around a
bit if there is enough water. Then take a sponge & dab the excess water off,
taking care you don't dry off the decal too fast.
John





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
> Have a couple of water transfer decals to put on and would like a little
> advice about putting them on. I think I was a pre-teen the last time I
> did these and that was on model airplanes or something like it. Can
> anyone tell me the proceedure and the tricks of the trade?



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Jun  7 09:49:14 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 17:49:14 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.
References: <40C493AD.6040208@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <00c801c44caf$61c4ed20$0101a8c0@nemesis>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL(new)" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.


> Have a couple of water transfer decals to put on and would like a little 
> advice about putting them on. I think I was a pre-teen the last time I 
> did these and that was on model airplanes or something like it. Can 
> anyone tell me the proceedure and the tricks of the trade?
> Thanks,
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC

Hi Curt, See water slide at http://www.bsaoc.demon.co.uk/tferinst.htm
It seems the same as the last time I did any.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jun  7 10:04:45 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 13:04:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.
References: <40C493AD.6040208@imc-group.com>
	<032b01c44cab$38273a30$6401a8c0@john>
Message-ID: <40C4A02D.5040505@imc-group.com>

John,
Thanks for the information. Any need to have a soft squegee or something 
to squeeze the airbubbles out? Or should one just use a thumb or finger 
to do so?
Should I mist the surface being transfered on to with water?
Curt

John Cullom wrote:

>Hi Curt,
>   When I did them a couple of years ago, I just put some warm water in a
>shallow pan & let the decals soak in it for about 30 seconds or so (there
>are probably directions on the back of the decals). Then I just held the
>decal up to what I was putting it on & gently slid it off the backing onto
>the surface. For the first few seconds you can position the decal around a
>bit if there is enough water. Then take a sponge & dab the excess water off,
>taking care you don't dry off the decal too fast.
>John
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
>  
>
>>Have a couple of water transfer decals to put on and would like a little
>>advice about putting them on. I think I was a pre-teen the last time I
>>did these and that was on model airplanes or something like it. Can
>>anyone tell me the proceedure and the tricks of the trade?
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>
>
>  
>




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jun  7 10:01:33 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:01:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.
In-Reply-To: <40C493AD.6040208@imc-group.com>
References: <40C493AD.6040208@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406071253210.51317@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Curt,

We all know that Ted Brookover is a mag-master with an advanced degree in
ignitors.  Many folks will be surprised to know that he's also highly
accomplished in the arts of water slide decals (transfers for the Brits).

At Portland he applied a number of Crossley Brothers transfers and a
wonderful script Fat Bastard to my 1070 Crossley.  There were DEFINITELY a
few "tricks of the trade."  I'll let Ted offer up some advice as there is
no way that I can do justice to the subject.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Curt Holland wrote:

> Have a couple of water transfer decals to put on and would like a little
> advice about putting them on. I think I was a pre-teen the last time I
> did these and that was on model airplanes or something like it. Can
> anyone tell me the proceedure and the tricks of the trade?


From jhcullom at adelphia.net  Mon Jun  7 10:09:44 2004
From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:09:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.
References: <40C493AD.6040208@imc-group.com><032b01c44cab$38273a30$6401a8c0@john>
	<40C4A02D.5040505@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <037a01c44cb2$3aff8350$6401a8c0@john>

I used the sponge to smooth it out. I didn't mist the surface, there seemed
to be enough water put on the surface from the decal & backing.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
> Thanks for the information. Any need to have a soft squegee or something
> to squeeze the airbubbles out? Or should one just use a thumb or finger
> to do so?
> Should I mist the surface being transfered on to with water?
> Curt



From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Jun  7 10:28:03 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:28:03 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.
Message-ID: <b6.2cfee0b2.2df5ffa3@aol.com>

Curt,

I put some fine pencil marks on the paint in advance where I wanted to 
position the decals. 

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jun  7 10:32:37 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:32:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406071253210.51317@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c44cb5$79d4d780$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

I also recommend Ted as the man - he made the door decal for Barbara's store
and advised as to how to apply it - that was 5 years ago and it's still
there intact.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:02 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Water transfer decals.


Hi Curt,

We all know that Ted Brookover is a mag-master with an advanced degree in
ignitors.  Many folks will be surprised to know that he's also highly
accomplished in the arts of water slide decals (transfers for the Brits).

At Portland he applied a number of Crossley Brothers transfers and a
wonderful script Fat Bastard to my 1070 Crossley.  There were DEFINITELY a
few "tricks of the trade."  I'll let Ted offer up some advice as there is no
way that I can do justice to the subject.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Curt Holland wrote:

> Have a couple of water transfer decals to put on and would like a 
> little advice about putting them on. I think I was a pre-teen the last 
> time I did these and that was on model airplanes or something like it. 
> Can anyone tell me the proceedure and the tricks of the trade?
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From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jun  7 10:43:52 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 13:43:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.
References: <40C493AD.6040208@imc-group.com>
	<00c801c44caf$61c4ed20$0101a8c0@nemesis>
Message-ID: <40C4A958.6060703@imc-group.com>

Dave,
 From the web site it reads:

Soak transfer in water for not more than 30 seconds.  When design 
releases itself, slide it off face upwards into position.  Press well 
down wiping gently from the centre outwards to squeeze out surplus water 
and air bubbles.  Leave at least 24 hours to dry and varnish if 
required.  One point worth mentioning is, it is worthwhile rubbing the 
area where the transfer is to be fixed with neat washing up liquid on a 
bit of cotton wool - as this helps the transfer slide into position.

The last sentence "it is worthwhile rubbing the area where the transfer 
is to be fixed with neat washing up liquid on a bit of cotton wool"

Does this mean soap and water to be dabbed on the surface to help slide 
the decal into the correct position?
Curt


Dave Croft wrote:

>>C
>>    
>>
>
>Hi Curt, See water slide at http://www.bsaoc.demon.co.uk/tferinst.htm
>It seems the same as the last time I did any.
>Dave Croft
>Warrington
>England
>  
>




From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jun  7 11:27:01 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:27:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.
In-Reply-To: <40C4A958.6060703@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <002801c44cbd$10cff2d0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

Ted told me - dishwashing soap mixture on door window. So I used a sponge
and washed the window with a dish detergent solution, didn't let it dry,
then applied decal as per his directions.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Holland
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:44 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Water transfer decals.


Dave,
 From the web site it reads:

Soak transfer in water for not more than 30 seconds.  When design 
releases itself, slide it off face upwards into position.  Press well 
down wiping gently from the centre outwards to squeeze out surplus water 
and air bubbles.  Leave at least 24 hours to dry and varnish if 
required.  One point worth mentioning is, it is worthwhile rubbing the 
area where the transfer is to be fixed with neat washing up liquid on a 
bit of cotton wool - as this helps the transfer slide into position.

The last sentence "it is worthwhile rubbing the area where the transfer 
is to be fixed with neat washing up liquid on a bit of cotton wool"

Does this mean soap and water to be dabbed on the surface to help slide 
the decal into the correct position?
Curt


Dave Croft wrote:

>>C
>>    
>>
>
>Hi Curt, See water slide at http://www.bsaoc.demon.co.uk/tferinst.htm
>It seems the same as the last time I did any.
>Dave Croft
>Warrington
>England
>  
>


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From l-d-holderman at kconline.com  Mon Jun  7 14:26:22 2004
From: l-d-holderman at kconline.com (Larry Holderman)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:26:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.(removing)
References: <40C493AD.6040208@imc-group.com><032b01c44cab$38273a30$6401a8c0@john><40C4A02D.5040505@imc-group.com>
	<037a01c44cb2$3aff8350$6401a8c0@john>
Message-ID: <003001c44cd6$16040110$8380f1d8@lholderman>


Now we know how to put them on how do we get them off??   I have and engine
that I repainted a few years ago and placed water transfer decals on it.
They have since been damaged and I would like to remove them.  I tried hot
water and some rubbing without any luck..  I don't want to damge the paint.
Any ideas on how to do this task?

Larry Holderman
Warsaw, Indiana

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Cullom" <jhcullom at adelphia.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Water transfer decals.


> I used the sponge to smooth it out. I didn't mist the surface, there
seemed
> to be enough water put on the surface from the decal & backing.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
> > Thanks for the information. Any need to have a soft squegee or something
> > to squeeze the airbubbles out? Or should one just use a thumb or finger
> > to do so?
> > Should I mist the surface being transfered on to with water?
> > Curt
>
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>
>




From rexhinz at chorus.net  Mon Jun  7 15:11:43 2004
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 17:11:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.
References: <000701c44c0a$24e30c20$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn><000e01c44c1f$eaa51100$0486a5d8@rex>
	<001301c44c61$edb83e70$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <000601c44cdc$719c47c0$4786a5d8@rex>

John and All ;

   Here is my webshots site  you can look at some of my stuff there , the
Ice Cream maker is not as fancy as the one on Ebay but very functional ,
please tell me what you think of my pics good or bad , I didn't put the
maytags on yet as they are still too hot as I just ran them yesterday on
daves oil gas mix , .... 8-)
http://community.webshots.com/photo/113498875/150456445zyOTLr
  Rex
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 2:34 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.


> Hi Rex, I would love that to see a picture of your ice cream unit.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Regards,John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
>
>
>
> >         I built one simular to the one on Ebay but after all the info on
the
> > Maytags from Dave  I decided to put a flat belt pulley on it and use a
Hit
> > Miss, Mine Has a Three speed transmission on it ( you just might  want
to
> > mix some cement ) I,ll put a pic up on the web if you would like to see
it ,
> > My Maytags run better on Dave's gas oil mix of 1000 to 1 but I run into
a
> > lack of power after a awhile of  mixing the cream , Its no antique but
my
> > grandkids love the results :-)
> >
> >  Rex
>
>
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jun  7 18:26:01 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:26:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Famous Running
Message-ID: <200406080133.i581XIYv001295@newidea.atis.net>

Sunday I went out to Ron's to play engines. We decided that it was time to
have another go at Ron's 6hp Famous as it had been about 11 months since we
had last put any effort into it. Ron had cleaned the carby up since we had
last run the engine so it was bolted back on and the engine oiled up. The
engine started easily (which was great as last time I had sore arms for
days) but was running a little quick. After stopping the engine we removed
one of the governor springs and fired the engine up again. It was now
running a lot slower. The engine has a lot of blowby but a bit of running
will probably help. 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/03072702.JPG
The engine is a little unusual in Oz being a hit and miss as most of the
larger Famous engines in Oz seem to be throttlers. This engine had
originally been fitted with a Webster but it was long gone. It has an Edd
Payne built ignitor fitted which works perfectly (as Edd's ignitors do).

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jun  7 18:30:57 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:30:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally
Message-ID: <200406080138.i581c9Yv002311@newidea.atis.net>

Which of our Aussie list members are heading to Manilla this weekend? I am
told it is a pretty good rally. I am still not sure if I will get there as
work is getting in the way again but I may pop up for a look if I cannot
take an engine. It is only 7 hours from here so it might be a nice day trip
;)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From jbcast at charter.net  Mon Jun  7 19:09:28 2004
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 2:09:28 +0000
Subject: [SEL] drive in brads 
Message-ID: <36u7i2$2hg15@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net>


Does anyone know where to find the drive in brads to hold the tags on. I saved a site that was listed a while back but lost it in a crash.
Thanks,
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA



From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Jun  7 19:10:23 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:10:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.(removing)
References: <40C493AD.6040208@imc-group.com><032b01c44cab$38273a30$6401a8c0@john><40C4A02D.5040505@imc-group.com><037a01c44cb2$3aff8350$6401a8c0@john>
	<003001c44cd6$16040110$8380f1d8@lholderman>
Message-ID: <03ee01c44cfd$c1cde6b0$0400a8c0@Dave>

> Now we know how to put them on how do we get them off??   I have and
engine
> that I repainted a few years ago and placed water transfer decals on it.
> They have since been damaged and I would like to remove them.  I tried hot
> water and some rubbing without any luck..  I don't want to damge the
paint.
> Any ideas on how to do this task?
>
> Larry Holderman
Hi Larry,
    When I was a kid (1880's) we would soak a blotter (ask your mama what
that is) in water and then press it on to the transfer and leave it for an
hour or so. After this was repeated several times the transfer would soften
up and was removable.
    Dave
PS, Keep in mind that I was a kid long before conservatives POLLUTED THE
WATER and took food away from older folks and kids--so this process may no
longer work!



From alanb2 at webtv.net  Mon Jun  7 19:21:29 2004
From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:21:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] drive in brads
In-Reply-To: <jbcast@charter.net>'s message of Tue, 8 Jun 2004 2:09:28 +0000
Message-ID: <322-40C522A9-3774@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net>

Hi JB,

Here is Curt's email,,,,,

I just buy them at my local Ace Hardware.
I found them in the row with all those little slide out trays on misc.
hardware and fasteners.

HTH,
Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net
Williamsburg, Michigan

~~~~Curt?Holland wrote~~~~
 
On occation a discussion comes up concerning those rivets for holding
tags on engines. Believe this might be them. This site calls them drive
screws. Here is the link: 
http://www.bigflatsrivet.com/drive_screws.html Curt Holland 
Gastonia, NC 

Alan Bowen  alanb2 at webtv.net
Williamsburg, Michigan




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jun  7 19:54:15 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 19:54:15 -0700
Subject: [SEL] drive in brads
Message-ID: <20040607.195416.748.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi J.B.
Try this:

http://www.bigflatsrivet.com/drive_screws.html

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA

On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 2:09:28 +0000 <jbcast at charter.net> writes:
> 
> Does anyone know where to find the drive in brads to hold the tags 
> on. I saved a site that was listed a while back but lost it in a 
> crash.
> Thanks,
> J.B. Castagnos
> Belle Rose, LA


From rholtzer at earthlink.net  Mon Jun  7 20:03:07 2004
From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 20:03:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.
In-Reply-To: <40C4A02D.5040505@imc-group.com>
References: <40C493AD.6040208@imc-group.com>
	<032b01c44cab$38273a30$6401a8c0@john>
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040607195939.00b7e778@mail.earthlink.net>

The last decal I put on recommended a drop or two of detergent (dish soap) 
in a quart or so of water.  Wet the receiving surface and slide the decal 
on to the surface.  The soft rubber edge of a window washer, sponge, or 
such applied gently to the decal will help remove bubbles.  If you have a 
small trapped bubble, prick it with a straight pin and the air will escape 
without harm to the decal.

Bob Holtzer

At 01:04 PM 6/7/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>John,
>Thanks for the information. Any need to have a soft squegee or something 
>to squeeze the airbubbles out? Or should one just use a thumb or finger to 
>do so?
>Should I mist the surface being transfered on to with water?
>Curt
>
>John Cullom wrote:
>
>>Hi Curt,
>>   When I did them a couple of years ago, I just put some warm water in a
>>shallow pan & let the decals soak in it for about 30 seconds or so (there
>>are probably directions on the back of the decals). Then I just held the
>>decal up to what I was putting it on & gently slid it off the backing onto
>>the surface. For the first few seconds you can position the decal around a
>>bit if there is enough water. Then take a sponge & dab the excess water off,
>>taking care you don't dry off the decal too fast.
>>John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
>>
>>
>>>Have a couple of water transfer decals to put on and would like a little
>>>advice about putting them on. I think I was a pre-teen the last time I
>>>did these and that was on model airplanes or something like it. Can
>>>anyone tell me the proceedure and the tricks of the trade?
>>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>Your ISP has scanned this email for Viruses and Spam Control.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jun  7 20:22:16 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:22:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - yet another EBAY hoax
In-Reply-To: <20040607.195416.748.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <006001c44d07$cebb55b0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

If you get an email asking you to go to ebay's web site and pay your fees,
watch out, it's a scam.
However, I'm sure that a lot of folks will fall for it (I suspect no one
here will, however) 
It goes without saying, EBAY and other legit businesses don't operate this
way. (especially with a  24 hour deadline)

The link looks like EBAY, but it's not:

<a
href="http://ns.zonasiete.org/.eBay/eBayISAPI.php?MfcISAPICommand=SignInFPP&
UsingSSL=1&email=&userid=">http://signin.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?OneTi
mePayment&ssPageName=h:h:sin:US</a>

It's really taking you to ns.zonasiete.org

These scam artists are getting really tricky - we get messages telling us to
go to our bank site - how in the world did they know we actually use that
bank???? Or was it a guess. The message in that case is actually well
crafted and clever. Our bank is concerned because the message is so good and
believable. (I forwarded them a copy advising them to be on the lookout)

Be careful........... If in doubt, call the business before acting.

Bill




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Jun  7 20:47:46 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:47:46 EDT
Subject: [SEL] OT - yet another EBAY hoax
Message-ID: <1d5.23394c4f.2df690e2@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/7/2004 8:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
bill at antique-engines.com writes:
If you get an email asking you to go to ebay's web site and pay your fees,
watch out, it's a scam.
Bill,
I received a similar message last week.  I immediately forwarded the message 
to ebay asking them if it was legit.  In about 2 (two) hours, a reply from 
ebay stated that it wasn't.  You can forward suspected ebay messages to: 
<spoof at ebay.com>
Ebay needs the entire message to be forwarded so that they locate the 
originator in order to stop this scam.

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jun  7 21:08:44 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:08:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - yet another EBAY hoax
In-Reply-To: <1d5.23394c4f.2df690e2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <006801c44d0e$50a77850$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

Thanks - I've forwarded it with all header info, etc.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
FRM8198 at aol.com
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 10:48 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - yet another EBAY hoax


In a message dated 6/7/2004 8:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
bill at antique-engines.com writes:
If you get an email asking you to go to ebay's web site and pay your fees,
watch out, it's a scam. Bill, I received a similar message last week.  I
immediately forwarded the message 
to ebay asking them if it was legit.  In about 2 (two) hours, a reply from 
ebay stated that it wasn't.  You can forward suspected ebay messages to: 
<spoof at ebay.com>
Ebay needs the entire message to be forwarded so that they locate the 
originator in order to stop this scam.

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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Jun  7 22:14:16 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 07:14:16 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.
References: <000701c44c0a$24e30c20$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<000e01c44c1f$eaa51100$0486a5d8@rex>
	<001301c44c61$edb83e70$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<000601c44cdc$719c47c0$4786a5d8@rex>
Message-ID: <000901c44d17$720a7110$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

That looks good to me Rex, the most importend thing is
that the results of the made ice cream is smooth and tasty.

Thanks for the pic,

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl



>    Here is my webshots site  you can look at some of my stuff there , the
> Ice Cream maker is not as fancy as the one on Ebay but very functional ,
> please tell me what you think of my pics good or bad , I didn't put the
> maytags on yet as they are still too hot as I just ran them yesterday on
> daves oil gas mix , .... 8-)
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/113498875/150456445zyOTLr
>   Rex




From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  7 23:16:42 2004
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:16:42 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Famous Running
Message-ID: <BAY14-F27iE5gLJENss0005b64b@hotmail.com>

hi patrick nice pic of rons famous, i have a 6hp hit'n'miss screen cooled 
famous, they seem to be more common down this way as lindsays and one other 
are the only two throttle governed ones i have seen down here. cheers dave


>From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,        
>"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>Subject: [SEL] Famous Running
>Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:26:01 +1000
>
>Sunday I went out to Ron's to play engines. We decided that it was time to
>have another go at Ron's 6hp Famous as it had been about 11 months since we
>had last put any effort into it. Ron had cleaned the carby up since we had
>last run the engine so it was bolted back on and the engine oiled up. The
>engine started easily (which was great as last time I had sore arms for
>days) but was running a little quick. After stopping the engine we removed
>one of the governor springs and fired the engine up again. It was now
>running a lot slower. The engine has a lot of blowby but a bit of running
>will probably help.
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/03072702.JPG
>The engine is a little unusual in Oz being a hit and miss as most of the
>larger Famous engines in Oz seem to be throttlers. This engine had
>originally been fitted with a Webster but it was long gone. It has an Edd
>Payne built ignitor fitted which works perfectly (as Edd's ignitors do).
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
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From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  7 23:44:56 2004
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:44:56 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Kelly barnett arstrong
Message-ID: <BAY14-F293pbQ1mtLkF0005b346@hotmail.com>

wanting to get in touch with Kelly Barnett wondering if someone can send me 
his email address of list cheers dave

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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Jun  8 03:01:39 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 04:01:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] drive in brads
References: <20040607.195416.748.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV103yyBlvGIY00015787@hotmail.com>

HitnMiss has them also.  Page 32, bottom right in new catalog.  Stainless 
Steel and 50 cents a pair.  Web page...  www.hitnmiss.com .

Good Luck J.B.
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] drive in brads


> Hi J.B.
> Try this:
>
> http://www.bigflatsrivet.com/drive_screws.html
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
>
> On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 2:09:28 +0000 <jbcast at charter.net> writes:
> >
> > Does anyone know where to find the drive in brads to hold the tags
> > on. I saved a site that was listed a while back but lost it in a
> > crash.
> > Thanks,
> > J.B. Castagnos
> > Belle Rose, LA
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From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Jun  8 04:02:50 2004
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:02:50 +0000
Subject: [SEL] drive in brads
Message-ID: <344nff$p3ikr@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net>


> 
> Hi J.B.
> Try this:
> 
> http://www.bigflatsrivet.com/drive_screws.html
> 
> Ron Haskell
Thanks Ron, that's what I was looking for. Alan I'm glad to know H&M has them also.
J.B.



From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Tue Jun  8 05:15:07 2004
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:15:07 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally
References: <200406080138.i581c9Yv002311@newidea.atis.net>
Message-ID: <001001c44d52$40a48f80$c76f29cb@oemcomputer>

I will be there and expect to see you there also.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
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From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:30
Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally


> Which of our Aussie list members are heading to Manilla this weekend? I am
> told it is a pretty good rally. I am still not sure if I will get there as
> work is getting in the way again but I may pop up for a look if I cannot
> take an engine. It is only 7 hours from here so it might be a nice day
trip
> ;)
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Tue Jun  8 05:19:38 2004
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:19:38 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Famous Running
References: <200406080133.i581XIYv001295@newidea.atis.net>
Message-ID: <001a01c44d52$df21ae40$c76f29cb@oemcomputer>

Great pic Patrick.My 4,6,8 and 10 HP Famous engines are all throttlers.Only
my 1HP Titan and Tom thumb and 2.5 HP are hit and miss as this was the only
way they were made.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:26
Subject: [SEL] Famous Running


> Sunday I went out to Ron's to play engines. We decided that it was time to
> have another go at Ron's 6hp Famous as it had been about 11 months since
we
> had last put any effort into it. Ron had cleaned the carby up since we had
> last run the engine so it was bolted back on and the engine oiled up. The
> engine started easily (which was great as last time I had sore arms for
> days) but was running a little quick. After stopping the engine we removed
> one of the governor springs and fired the engine up again. It was now
> running a lot slower. The engine has a lot of blowby but a bit of running
> will probably help.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/03072702.JPG
> The engine is a little unusual in Oz being a hit and miss as most of the
> larger Famous engines in Oz seem to be throttlers. This engine had
> originally been fitted with a Webster but it was long gone. It has an Edd
> Payne built ignitor fitted which works perfectly (as Edd's ignitors do).
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Jun  8 05:49:23 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:49:23 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Famous Running
Message-ID: <a0.eaea02c.2df70fd3@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/7/2004 9:40:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes:

<< We decided that it was time to
 have another go at Ron's 6hp Famous >>


Patrick,

The 6 Famous of Ron is a great engine and looks to be all original.  My 6 
Famous hopper cooled is on the wrong cart.  I have a set of original wheels and 
keep saying I am going to get some channel and put it on the proper cart.  My 6 
Famous screen cooled is all original.  Pictures of both can be seen at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/Shop3.htm

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From sleis at mwt.net  Tue Jun  8 08:16:35 2004
From: sleis at mwt.net (Stacy Leis)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:16:35 -0700
Subject: [SEL] coulee antique engine show dates?
Message-ID: <001201c44d6b$a83b1420$2355becf@computer>

Hi List

  I was wondering of someone could look at there 2004 show directory and tell me if and when the coulee antique engine show is in Viroqua Wisconsin? thank you for the help ? :-)

                                        Stacy



From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Jun  8 07:26:52 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:26:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] coulee antique engine show dates?
Message-ID: <20040608.103708.1136.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Can't find it Stacy,

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Jun  8 08:50:29 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:50:29 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hercules XK revisited
Message-ID: <dc.c875c8c.2df73a45@aol.com>

While in one of the outbuildings this morning, I stopped and looked at a 
Hercules XK and studied the 3 hole flywheels.  A thought as to why they are there 
came to me, and you have to understand by brain to appreciate the significance 
that!  The flywheel hub is split with a bolt to hold onto the crank with a 
straight key.  The split is directly centered in one of the flywheel holes.  
Would not that hole then be there to permit minor expansion/contraction of the 
flywheel as it is tightned/loosened on the crankshaft?  The other two holes 
would then be there to balance the flywheel, or also to permit 
expansion/contraction.  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jun  8 10:02:03 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:02:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules XK revisited
References: <dc.c875c8c.2df73a45@aol.com>
Message-ID: <40C5F10B.5040708@imc-group.com>

Tom,
On my 6HP flywheels there are the 3 holes about 3" in diameter. Very 
near the split hub is another smaller hole about an 1 1/2 in diameter 
that serves the same purpose you mention for the expansion/contraction.
What HP are you looking at? You can see the smaller holes in this picture:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/6Hercules/Flywheels/P4170006c.jpg
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

>While in one of the outbuildings this morning, I stopped and looked at a 
>Hercules XK and studied the 3 hole flywheels.  A thought as to why they are there 
>came to me, and you have to understand by brain to appreciate the significance 
>that!  The flywheel hub is split with a bolt to hold onto the crank with a 
>straight key.  The split is directly centered in one of the flywheel holes.  
>Would not that hole then be there to permit minor expansion/contraction of the 
>flywheel as it is tightned/loosened on the crankshaft?  The other two holes 
>would then be there to balance the flywheel, or also to permit 
>expansion/contraction.  
>
>  
>




From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Jun  8 11:46:29 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:46:29 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hercules XK revisited
Message-ID: <f6.3ba127b4.2df76385@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/8/2004 1:07:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
curt at imc-group.com writes:

<< What HP are you looking at? >>


Curt,

Both the 1 3/4 and 2 1/2 are the same, 3 holes with the split into one hole.  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From weirgrant at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  8 13:08:35 2004
From: weirgrant at hotmail.com (Grant Weir)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:08:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Novo?
Message-ID: <BAY14-F14LdZs3JcXu900061d5b@hotmail.com>


Hello all,

Some health trouble has kept me away from computers and rusty iron for 
pretty much the entire winter, but now that spring has sprung, and summer is 
here, I find I have more energy and am ready for some engine action!

I could not make it to the Fred Schneider auction last weekend, 
(aaarrrrrggg!!!) but I did get around to picking up and engine I had found a 
couple weeks ago in an old farm yard.  Because it looked so rough I did not 
at first have much interest, but...  well, you know the deal;  several 
sleepless nights later and I'm off looking for the owner.  He was not hard 
to find and agreed to let me have it for nothing.  I'd like to say that it 
is "barn fresh" but that would not be a particularly accurate description.  
Here is a picture of it as I found it:

http://groups.msn.com/GrantsOldTractorGoodies/sundaymorningcruise.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1055

I would also like to say that "it followed me home" but it did not do that 
either - I had to force it to come with me!  It was down at the bottom of a 
ditch in a big pile of debris, and much digging, tugging, and hoisting took 
place to yard it out of there.  The water hopper is broken, the cam gear, 
rocker arm, carb, and various other parts are missing.

It is an upright single cylinder engine with a closed crank-case and two 
flywheels.  It looks to be about 2 or 3 HP and feels heavy enough to be 5 or 
6 HP! :-) I think it is a Novo but I've never seen one before so I can not 
be sure.  Wendels book shows that is looks like either a Novo, a Hildreth 
(early Novo?), or maybe a Peerless?  I don't really know.  It also looks 
like an Ideal, but mine has a spark plug hole, and never had an ignitor.  An 
engine just like it sold at the Schneider auction last weekend - here is a 
picture:

http://groups.msn.com/GrantsOldTractorGoodies/newengine.msnw?Page=1

What do you think gang?  Is it a Novo?  Were many made?  Can I find parts?  
Any help would be appreciated.  It's pretty rough, so I'm kind of thinking 
"flower pot" but if this thing is rare or something, then perhaps I'll have 
to work on it some.  Thanks!

Grant Weir
Saskatoon, SK.
Canada

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun  8 14:38:58 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:38:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Novo?
In-Reply-To: <BAY14-F14LdZs3JcXu900061d5b@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY14-F14LdZs3JcXu900061d5b@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406081726110.58396@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Grant,

Neat find!!  It might be a Novo, but I can't tell for sure from that
single pic.  If it is a Novo it would look like this and you can determine
the HP from the dimensions given.  It would probably also have "Novo"
cast into the hand-hole covers for the crankcase.
http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Nova_S_data.pdf

Here's a couple of pics of my 3 hp Novo "S".
http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/novo.htm

Parts are available for the Novo.  Hit & Miss is one supplier that has a
stock of Novo parts.

Let us know when you get more pics.  Good luck!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA USA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Grant Weir wrote:

> I could not make it to the Fred Schneider auction last weekend,
> (aaarrrrrggg!!!) but I did get around to picking up and engine I had found a
> couple weeks ago in an old farm yard.  Because it looked so rough I did not
> at first have much interest, but...  well, you know the deal;  several
> sleepless nights later and I'm off looking for the owner.  He was not hard
> to find and agreed to let me have it for nothing.  I'd like to say that it
> is "barn fresh" but that would not be a particularly accurate description.
> Here is a picture of it as I found it:
>
> http://groups.msn.com/GrantsOldTractorGoodies/sundaymorningcruise.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1055



From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  8 16:56:18 2004
From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 09:56:18 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Famous Running
Message-ID: <BAY2-F163U46M74M88W0001f7d9@hotmail.com>


Hi Patrick,
             The inter looks great. Thanks for the pic. Very original 
looking engine. I only hope mine looks as good when it is finished.

Regards,
Lyndsay .





>From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,        
>"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>Subject: [SEL] Famous Running
>Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:26:01 +1000
>
>Sunday I went out to Ron's to play engines.

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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  8 19:36:29 2004
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:36:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] coulee antique engine show dates?
In-Reply-To: <001201c44d6b$a83b1420$2355becf@computer>
Message-ID: <20040609023629.13697.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Stacy,
I can't find my show directory, either lost it or lent it out. I thought
the show used to be about this time of the year, same time as Plainfield.
I know they were having some problems over there, they have been suffering
for years. I looked on the department of tourism's site, and on the web
using Vernon County, Viroqua and Coulee, and nothing to be seen on this
year's show. I suppose you could try to find a telephone number for
someone in Viroqua, like a chamber of commerce or even the sherrif's
department, and give them a call and see if they can tell you more.
If that doesn't work out, perhaps you would come up to Plainfield. That
show is getting better every year and there are some real good folks
there. Last year it was so cold and rainy we pulled out early on Sunday to
go get coffee, and we never even brought any beer. I hope this doesn't
mean we are getting old!!
Eagle River is a week or two later, that club has had a major shake-up and
seems to be straightening out. Scott Vassar, from Rhinelander, is the
President now and Scott is working real hard to make things go. I haven't
been there for years, but it used to be that some of the finest engines to
be seen anywhere in WI would show up at that little show at the campground
in Eagle River. Now it is moved to the snowmobile race track, so it might
not be as cozy as it was, but there was getting to be a lot of tension
between the folks who owned the campground and the club. They have a heck
of a deal now, the guys who run the snowmobile racetrack welcomed the club
with open arms, charged them nothing to use the place and put it on their
insurance. You just can't kick about a deal like that.
Does anyone know when the Freeport show is? Oddly I never see much about
it on the list. I haven't gone in a long, long time but it used to be one
of my favorite shows. There are some real good folks down there and they
put on a nice show. If I can get off from work, I wouldn't mind going down
there again.
Maybe I will see you at Plainfield. Just remember, the locals don't find
Ed Gein jokes to be very funny!
Joe
--- Stacy Leis <sleis at mwt.net> wrote:
> Hi List
> 
>   I was wondering of someone could look at there 2004 show directory and
> tell me if and when the coulee antique engine show is in Viroqua
> Wisconsin? thank you for the help ? :-)
> 
>                                         Stacy
> 
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From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net  Tue Jun  8 20:00:40 2004
From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 23:00:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP WITTE I Owned
References: <01b001c44b75$125b80e0$0400a8c0@Dave>	<1086558660.40c391c50273a@login.kupio.lunarpages.com>
	<016f01c44c3b$caf1c440$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <40C67D58.2030808@zoominternet.net>

I have found that at most shows, if you are having a problem, your 
fellow showmen are willing to lend a hand.  My brother and I own a crank 
start tractor.  He can crank this sucker to start on the first turn, in 
the middle of winter, after it sets for 1 year.  I can't start it warm, 
much less....  At a show, I had to move it.  I had 20 volunteers willing 
to crank that engine for me.  Help can always be found.

Ed

Dave Rotigel wrote:

>Hi Craig,
>    I'll bring the crank guard (really a cover) to Coolspring with me and
>hand it off to you. Thanks for getting it to the owner. Has he shown the
>engine? His big worry was that perhaps he could not start an engine so big.
>I guess that everything in the engine world is relative!
>    Dave
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Craig Prucha" <sel at antique-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 5:51 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] 8 HP WITTE I Owned
>
>
>  
>
>>Hi dave,
>>
>>The fellows name is Howard Hoffman, from East Auora, NY. who bought your
>>    
>>
>Witte.
>  
>
>>Howard will not be at Coolspring this June but if you want, I can deliver
>>    
>>
>the
>  
>
>>crank guard to him. He's a good friend of mine. Thanks, Craig...
>>
>>
>>
>>Quoting Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hi All,
>>>    Several years ago at Coolspring I sold this 8 HP head type Witte
>>>(http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Roti_Eng/witte.html) to a man
>>>      
>>>
>from,
>  
>
>>>I believe, NY. In any event, I forgot to give him the crank guard when
>>>      
>>>
>he
>  
>
>>>purchased the engine. I'd like to give it to him, but don't remember his
>>>name. Does anyone know the guy and/or how I can get the crank guard to
>>>      
>>>
>him? I
>  
>
>>>could bring it to Coolspring in several weeks if anyone thinks that the
>>>fellow may be there. The guard is cast iron and probably worth a few
>>>      
>>>
>bucks.
>  
>
>>>But I'd rather give it to the man who bought the engine rather than just
>>>      
>>>
>sell
>  
>
>>>it outright and buy Old Mill with the profit!
>>>    Dave
>>>PS, Perhaps it's a good Charity Auction Item if I can't find the
>>>      
>>>
>rightful
>  
>
>>>owner!
>>>      
>>>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Jun  8 20:46:51 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:46:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] West Coast Show
Message-ID: <20040608.204652.628.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  Last Saturday WAPA put on a show to help the FFA club at Sonora
High School (La Habra CA.) raise funds.  Here are a few pictures of our
display. 

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31277041

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA


From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Jun  8 21:15:23 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:15:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules XK revisited
Message-ID: <20040609.003050.800.4.jlb94@juno.com>

Sounds good to me.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Jun  9 03:23:37 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 06:23:37 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Check out Hit & Miss Main Page
Message-ID: <db.c970c03.2df83f29@aol.com>

Hi List,
Here is an interesting web site featuring miniature "hit - miss" engines.  
There are also links to other various small engines.  Have fun!

Click here: Hit & Miss Main Page http://www.minimodelengines.com/HitNMiss.htm


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From r.j.mattson at juno.com  Wed Jun  9 04:35:02 2004
From: r.j.mattson at juno.com (Ronald J Mattson)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:35:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Schmidt's Chilled Cylinder
Message-ID: <20040609.073537.-180231.0.R.J.Mattson@juno.com>

Hi All,
Just picked up a 3 HP, air cooled Schmidt's. It looks like it was used as
a boat anchor- pretty rusty, but the former owner did manage to get it
apart with some damage. The piston is busted and the rod is rotted so bad
that it is unusable. I would like to find a piston and rod, I know this
is not the most common engine but if anyone has a wasted parts engine,
please let me know.
I also would like to find out about the ignition system, it has a spark
plug hole so I'm guessing that it used a buzz coil. What I need to know
is what triggered the coil, the details of the contacts etc, etc. Did it
have a spark advance?
I have copies of some ads that show the pin stripes but need to know the
original color. Was it red with a silver cylinder? 
Thanks for any help you can give with this project.
Ron in RI

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From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Jun  9 04:45:03 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:45:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Check out Hit & Miss Main Page
References: <db.c970c03.2df83f29@aol.com>
Message-ID: <035401c44e17$3402ce70$0400a8c0@Dave>

> Hi List,
> Here is an interesting web site featuring miniature "hit - miss" engines.
> There are also links to other various small engines.  Have fun!
> Click here: Hit & Miss Main Page
http://www.minimodelengines.com/HitNMiss.htm
> Francis Maciel

Thank you Francis. I enjoyed your page!
    Dave



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  9 10:22:19 2004
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 17:22:19 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Check out Hit & Miss Main Page
Message-ID: <BAY22-F2kZIhTrBoe2U00003322@hotmail.com>

Hi Francis,

I've seen George's work at the NAMES Expo a few times now. Amazing that he 
makes engines so small that run.  I have quite a few pictures of his work on 
my web pages. Here is a nice one

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/names03/names03109.jpg

Thanks for sharing his page.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
================================
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 06:23:37 EDT
From: FRM8198 at aol.com
Subject: [SEL] Check out Hit & Miss Main Page

Hi List,
Here is an interesting web site featuring miniature "hit - miss" engines.
There are also links to other various small engines.  Have fun!

Click here: Hit & Miss Main Page 
http://www.minimodelengines.com/HitNMiss.htm


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California

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From weirgrant at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  9 14:29:18 2004
From: weirgrant at hotmail.com (Grant Weir)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 15:29:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Novo?
Message-ID: <BAY14-F217PDqqgNjWO0006d499@hotmail.com>


Thanks a bunch Arnie!  The brochure info is great.  It sure does look like a 
Novo to me.  I'll see if I can get a digital over to snap some pictures 
soon.  Wow - your's sure looks like it's in super-nice original shape.

I'll post some more pictures soon.  Thanks again!

Grant Weir
Saskatoon, SK.
Canada


>From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo?
>Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:38:58 -0400 (EDT)
>
>Hi Grant,
>
>Neat find!!  It might be a Novo, but I can't tell for sure from that
>single pic.  If it is a Novo it would look like this and you can determine
>the HP from the dimensions given.  It would probably also have "Novo"
>cast into the hand-hole covers for the crankcase.
>http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Nova_S_data.pdf
>
>Here's a couple of pics of my 3 hp Novo "S".
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/novo.htm
>
>Parts are available for the Novo.  Hit & Miss is one supplier that has a
>stock of Novo parts.
>
>Let us know when you get more pics.  Good luck!!
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA USA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Grant Weir wrote:
>
> > I could not make it to the Fred Schneider auction last weekend,
> > (aaarrrrrggg!!!) but I did get around to picking up and engine I had 
>found a
> > couple weeks ago in an old farm yard.  Because it looked so rough I did 
>not
> > at first have much interest, but...  well, you know the deal;  several
> > sleepless nights later and I'm off looking for the owner.  He was not 
>hard
> > to find and agreed to let me have it for nothing.  I'd like to say that 
>it
> > is "barn fresh" but that would not be a particularly accurate 
>description.
> > Here is a picture of it as I found it:
> >
> > 
>http://groups.msn.com/GrantsOldTractorGoodies/sundaymorningcruise.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1055
>
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From transteck2 at msn.com  Mon Jun  7 16:13:11 2004
From: transteck2 at msn.com (ALLEN JEFFREY)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:13:11 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Information Needed
Message-ID: <BAY3-F38PggRdYIsSGS0001ab34@hotmail.com>

Francis,

Check out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63952&item=3820241986&rd=1

for a gas tank. Seller also has a bracket for sale that might be what you 
are looing for.

Jeff


>From: FRM8198 at aol.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] Maytag Information Needed
>Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:48:32 EDT
>
>Hi List,
>I understand from the research I have completed that the two cylinder 
>Maytag
>came with one of 5 (five) different gas tanks.  The unit that I have has 
>the
>aluminum tank and therefore it doesn't have a flat mounting base.  The 
>other
>tanks are made of cast iron with provisions to hold the engine down.  This
>particular model of Maytag (with the aluminum tank) that I have is supposed 
>to hang
>from an overhead mount.  The P.O. of this engine made a mount so that the
>engine can be fitted to a flat surface.  In order to do this, the top of 
>the gas
>tank was modified to fasten 4 (four) brackets with bolts.
>I would like to obtain a cast tank or find out how this engine was 
>originally
>mounted to an overhead mount.  To date, I haven't been able locate a
>different gas or how the overhead mount is fabricated and where it attaches 
>to the
>engine.  Can anyone point me in the right direction to either find a 
>replacement
>cast iron tank or how to make the overhead mount and connect it to the 
>engine?
>
>
>Francis Maciel
>Santa Maria, California
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From mholland at softwaretoolbox.com  Wed Jun  9 15:18:54 2004
From: mholland at softwaretoolbox.com (Melissa Holland)
Date: Wed,  9 Jun 2004 18:18:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] automated response
Message-ID: <10406091818.AA7611694@beechmtn.softwaretoolbox.com>

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From alanb2 at webtv.net  Wed Jun  9 16:32:32 2004
From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:32:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Information Needed
In-Reply-To: "ALLEN JEFFREY" <transteck2@msn.com>'s message of Mon,
	07 Jun 2004 23:13:11 +0000
Message-ID: <10000-40C79E10-144@storefull-3277.bay.webtv.net>

Hi Jeff,

That tank is like what Francis has now.
The bracket the seller is offering might be the part that bolts to the
underside of the washer, but it is not the part that attaches to the two
top cylinder bolts on each side of the engine.

I will try to put up a picture of mine this weekend.

Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net
Williamsburg, Michigan

~~~~~Jeff Allen wrote~~~~~ 

Francis, 
Check out: 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63952&item=3820241986&rd=1 
for a gas tank. Seller also has a bracket for sale that might be what
you are looking for. 
Jeff



From rexhinz at chorus.net  Wed Jun  9 16:43:52 2004
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:43:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] coulee antique engine show dates?
References: <20040609023629.13697.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c44e7b$a5a1ba00$4986a5d8@rex>

   Here a good site for shows in the wisconsin area for 2004 , hope it helps
, they have a show list
 www.upsteamandgasengine.org
   Rex


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Prindle" <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] coulee antique engine show dates?


> Hi Stacy,
> I can't find my show directory, either lost it or lent it out. I thought
> the show used to be about this time of the year, same time as Plainfield.
> I know they were having some problems over there, they have been suffering
> for years. I looked on the department of tourism's site, and on the web
> using Vernon County, Viroqua and Coulee, and nothing to be seen on this
> year's show. I suppose you could try to find a telephone number for
> someone in Viroqua, like a chamber of commerce or even the sherrif's
> department, and give them a call and see if they can tell you more.
> If that doesn't work out, perhaps you would come up to Plainfield. That
> show is getting better every year and there are some real good folks
> there. Last year it was so cold and rainy we pulled out early on Sunday to
> go get coffee, and we never even brought any beer. I hope this doesn't
> mean we are getting old!!
> Eagle River is a week or two later, that club has had a major shake-up and
> seems to be straightening out. Scott Vassar, from Rhinelander, is the
> President now and Scott is working real hard to make things go. I haven't
> been there for years, but it used to be that some of the finest engines to
> be seen anywhere in WI would show up at that little show at the campground
> in Eagle River. Now it is moved to the snowmobile race track, so it might
> not be as cozy as it was, but there was getting to be a lot of tension
> between the folks who owned the campground and the club. They have a heck
> of a deal now, the guys who run the snowmobile racetrack welcomed the club
> with open arms, charged them nothing to use the place and put it on their
> insurance. You just can't kick about a deal like that.
> Does anyone know when the Freeport show is? Oddly I never see much about
> it on the list. I haven't gone in a long, long time but it used to be one
> of my favorite shows. There are some real good folks down there and they
> put on a nice show. If I can get off from work, I wouldn't mind going down
> there again.
> Maybe I will see you at Plainfield. Just remember, the locals don't find
> Ed Gein jokes to be very funny!
> Joe
> --- Stacy Leis <sleis at mwt.net> wrote:
> > Hi List
> >
> >   I was wondering of someone could look at there 2004 show directory and
> > tell me if and when the coulee antique engine show is in Viroqua
> > Wisconsin? thank you for the help ? :-)
> >
> >                                         Stacy
> >
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Jun  9 18:15:57 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:15:57 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Information Needed
Message-ID: <7d.5036c367.2df9104d@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/9/2004 3:16:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
transteck2 at msn.com writes:
Seller also has a bracket for sale that might be what you 
are looking for.
Jeff,
Thanks for the information.  


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jun  9 22:19:41 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:19:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Computer question
Message-ID: <20040609.221941.1400.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  A friend of mine is using AOL 9.0.  When I send him a message
with a hyper text, it does not appear blue and he says when he cuts and
pastes it into his browser it still does nothing.  Any suggestions how he
can fix this.  The same message sent to other AOL users works ok.
Thanks.
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  9 10:35:37 2004
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 17:35:37 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Novo?
Message-ID: <BAY22-F23fKRfcjcMzf00019301@hotmail.com>

Hi Grant,

The picture of the engine laying in the grass looks similar to a Novo, but 
the base is pretty square looking and doesn't look similar to the Novo's 
I've seen.  I don't think it is a Novo, but I'm no expert and it very well 
could be.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
========================
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:08:35 -0600
From: "Grant Weir" <weirgrant at hotmail.com>
Subject: [SEL] Novo?

http://groups.msn.com/GrantsOldTractorGoodies/sundaymorningcruise.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1055

What do you think gang?  Is it a Novo?  It's pretty rough, so I'm kind of 
thinking
"flower pot" but if this thing is rare or something, then perhaps I'll have
to work on it some.  Thanks!

Grant Weir
Saskatoon, SK.
Canada

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From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Jun 10 07:25:31 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:25:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question - Update
Message-ID: <20040610.102531.1124.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi List,

A little while ago I sent out a question on how to adjust the valves on a
Briggs & Stratton.

I couldn't imagine how a valve could stretch and be bigger than it was
when installed.

Thanks to all who responded. It is much appreciated.

Sometimes my thinking just defy's all logic.  When I finally got around
to taking the valve out of the engine, I realized that the valve face had
simply worn away.  (Stupid me !)  Thus, making the valve seem too long
and not seating.  Feeling that I "had nothing to lose", I figured I need
to reface the valve.  

I stuck it in the drill press to spin it and used a file to reface the
valve.  Then ground the end of the stem to fit the valve in the engine
with a .007 clearance.  Looking at the work I did,  I was starting to
feel like a damn machinist !!!  I actually felt good about what I did !

After installing the valve and putting the little engine back together -
I gave it a little squirt of gasoline and pulled the rope - - - IT
STARTED !! and ran for about 2 seconds.

Then I tried again and the engine seized up.  Damn !!! What happened ???
It seemed that something got into the cylinder (or so I thought).  Upon
taking the piston out I found that there was a bunch of aluminum shavings
between the rings and the piston groves.  I guess the rings were "frozen"
to the piston and now I have a scored cylinder wall.  

CAUTION - - Never take for granted the condition of things you cannot
see.

I still have hope for the little engine.  I've cleaned up the cylinder
and feel it just might be runable in this condition.  If the cylinder
wall scores again, then I guess it will be JUNK.

Right now I'm soaking the carburetor parts in denatured alcohol so
dissolve the varnish.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
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\/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jun 10 07:33:26 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 00:33:26 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Famous Running
In-Reply-To: <BAY14-F27iE5gLJENss0005b64b@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <200406101442.i5AEgGuw026845@newidea.atis.net>

Hi Dave,
	It is interesting ho the different styles get spread around. After
talking with Edd it seems that 7 out of 10 Famous engines, up this way, are
throttlers. Edd has every size Famous up to 10hp. A nice collection.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----


hi patrick nice pic of rons famous, i have a 6hp hit'n'miss screen cooled 
famous, they seem to be more common down this way as lindsays and one other 
are the only two throttle governed ones i have seen down here. cheers dave





From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jun 10 07:34:23 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 00:34:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Famous Running
In-Reply-To: <a0.eaea02c.2df70fd3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200406101443.i5AEh8uw027478@newidea.atis.net>

They are nice looking engines Tom. A Famous is on my list of engines I would
like to own one day. I will have to keep looking.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----
Patrick,

The 6 Famous of Ron is a great engine and looks to be all original.  My 6 
Famous hopper cooled is on the wrong cart.  I have a set of original wheels
and 
keep saying I am going to get some channel and put it on the proper cart.
My 6 
Famous screen cooled is all original.  Pictures of both can be seen at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/Shop3.htm

Tom Schmutz




From bolhuis at amtelecom.net  Thu Jun 10 07:45:24 2004
From: bolhuis at amtelecom.net (Bob & Sheila Bolhuis)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:45:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Novo?
References: <BAY14-F217PDqqgNjWO0006d499@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <007001c44ef9$90262a20$6600a8c0@EMACHINE>

Grant ,   There were lots of Novos sold in Canada , but they were tagged London.   Made by London Gas Power or prior to that , Scott
Machine. The early ones had the square brass mixer like on the Ideal .
        Bob
Bob & Sheila Bolhuis
RR#4
Aylmer , Ont, Can
N5H-2R3
519-765-3337




From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun 10 08:38:45 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:38:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question - Update
In-Reply-To: <20040610.102531.1124.1.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <007f01c44f01$06a4c600$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

Don't give up, some list member just might have a block they'd donate.......
Never know what one could find.
If I can locate wheel bolts for a 83 VW bunny, anything can happen!

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 9:26 AM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question - Update


Hi List,

A little while ago I sent out a question on how to adjust the valves on a
Briggs & Stratton.

I couldn't imagine how a valve could stretch and be bigger than it was when
installed.

Thanks to all who responded. It is much appreciated.

Sometimes my thinking just defy's all logic.  When I finally got around to
taking the valve out of the engine, I realized that the valve face had
simply worn away.  (Stupid me !)  Thus, making the valve seem too long and
not seating.  Feeling that I "had nothing to lose", I figured I need to
reface the valve.  

I stuck it in the drill press to spin it and used a file to reface the
valve.  Then ground the end of the stem to fit the valve in the engine with
a .007 clearance.  Looking at the work I did,  I was starting to feel like a
damn machinist !!!  I actually felt good about what I did !

After installing the valve and putting the little engine back together - I
gave it a little squirt of gasoline and pulled the rope - - - IT STARTED !!
and ran for about 2 seconds.

Then I tried again and the engine seized up.  Damn !!! What happened ??? It
seemed that something got into the cylinder (or so I thought).  Upon taking
the piston out I found that there was a bunch of aluminum shavings between
the rings and the piston groves.  I guess the rings were "frozen" to the
piston and now I have a scored cylinder wall.  

CAUTION - - Never take for granted the condition of things you cannot see.

I still have hope for the little engine.  I've cleaned up the cylinder and
feel it just might be runable in this condition.  If the cylinder wall
scores again, then I guess it will be JUNK.

Right now I'm soaking the carburetor parts in denatured alcohol so dissolve
the varnish.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
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From ivancou at usachoice.net  Thu Jun 10 13:52:18 2004
From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 16:52:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question - Update
References: <20040610.102531.1124.1.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <000201c44f2c$d2c815e0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7>

I had one that was scored ,guy told me to do it myself .  Used a engine hone
to take it .010 over .  Oil doesnt make a good lubricant when honing the
alum block ,it just clogs up the stones ,  but PB blaster worked real good .
Only took about half an hour . Work slow and measure often .  New piston &
rings , runs great .  Ivan




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jun 10 16:38:44 2004
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 19:38:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Schmidt's Chilled Cylinder
References: <20040609.073537.-180231.0.R.J.Mattson@juno.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c44f44$11ec8460$463e4a18@carolina.rr.com>

I believe Greg Doby has one.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ronald J Mattson" <r.j.mattson at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 7:35 AM
Subject: [SEL] Schmidt's Chilled Cylinder


> Hi All,
> Just picked up a 3 HP, air cooled Schmidt's. It looks like it was used as
> a boat anchor- pretty rusty, but the former owner did manage to get it
> apart with some damage. The piston is busted and the rod is rotted so bad
> that it is unusable. I would like to find a piston and rod, I know this
> is not the most common engine but if anyone has a wasted parts engine,
> please let me know.
> I also would like to find out about the ignition system, it has a spark
> plug hole so I'm guessing that it used a buzz coil. What I need to know
> is what triggered the coil, the details of the contacts etc, etc. Did it
> have a spark advance?
> I have copies of some ads that show the pin stripes but need to know the
> original color. Was it red with a silver cylinder? 
> Thanks for any help you can give with this project.
> Ron in RI
> 
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From christison at coastalnet.com  Thu Jun 10 18:05:35 2004
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 21:05:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IHC serial numbers
References: <20040609023629.13697.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com>
	<000d01c44e7b$a5a1ba00$4986a5d8@rex>
Message-ID: <000f01c44f50$35435680$0100a8c0@mshome.net>

I have just added more IHC serial numbers to the serial numbers page
at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/numbers.htm
Look for the link from my name.

Take care.

Ken Christison
Conway, NC
christison at coastalnet.com
http://www.oldiron-nut.com
http://www.syrupmakers.com


From ozengine at yahoo.com.au  Thu Jun 10 18:14:30 2004
From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:14:30 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Grant's Novo
Message-ID: <20040611011430.34127.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Grant

Very interested in your Novo find at the farm. What a
pleasure to behold seeing old iron like that - a nice
picture for the rest of us. I hope you acquire it and
that it's not too bad inside. There's a few holes
exposed to the weather though.

My 2c worth. I think it's only the light and grass
shadows showing the base as "different, squarer" to a
Novo as Luke suggested. The upright fuel fillers IMO
is a clue to the early series (except that the Ideal's
differ), and it may be a London as suggested.
Unfortunately the carby is missing, but I would reckon
it's the early brass square type too. On the later
series (Novo's at least) the serial number is on the
top edge of the hopper after about 70,000. In your
case, like my early Novo it would only be on the tag.
Can't tell if the tag is there or not (on the spark
plug side)...yet! but the other hand-hole cover might
tell you something if it's still there.

There appears to be scads of parts in the USA for
these and some good list mates with Novo's who have
helped me with pics etc. I'd say go get it! especially
if it's cheap. Offer maybe 30 $, considering it's
condition. And see if the carby is on a shelf
somewhere at the farm!! Don't leave without looking
whatever you do and don't forget to tell us how you
get on.

Cheers

Graham in Oz
 



Thanks a bunch Arnie!  The brochure info is great.  It
sure does 
look like a 
Novo to me.  I'll see if I can get a digital over to
snap some 
pictures 
soon.  Wow - your's sure looks like it's in super-nice
original 
shape.

I'll post some more pictures soon.  Thanks again!

Grant Weir


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From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Jun 10 18:26:01 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 21:26:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question - Update
Message-ID: <20040610.212939.1112.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi List,
Especially Bill D.

Well - - - After soaking the carb parts in denatured alcohol - the little
3 HP Briggs with a scored cylinder wall and hand faced valves - - - RUNS
!!!  and runs strong !

Damn - - - I'm lucky !!!

Don't want to put any $$$ into this thing.



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\/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jun 10 19:14:14 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:14:14 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT: Walking the Dog in Winter
Message-ID: <200406110223.i5B2N0uw026220@newidea.atis.net>

I took my digital camera with me on my walk the other night and snapped a
few pics of my part of the world in Winter. It cold almost be on topic as I
pass a number of items of old machinery :)
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/winter04.html


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jun 11 05:03:11 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:03:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Grant's Novo
In-Reply-To: <20040611011430.34127.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040611011430.34127.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406110755540.72533@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Graham makes an EXCELLENT point here that's really worth repeating.

When you make a deal to pick up that "barn fresh" engine (or rusty yard
ornament) that's missing the mixer, mag, etc. DO ask if you can have a
look around in the barn, celler, etc.  I think VERY OFTEN the "easily
removed" bits were removed and put up on a shelf for safe-keeping while
the owner decided what to do with the engine that quit working.  Then you
come along decades later.  I've heard too many stories of folks who found
the expensive bits, covered in dirt, straw, and pigeon poop sitting on the
shelf where they were put.

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, [iso-8859-1] Graham Harris wrote:

<snip>

> Unfortunately the carby is missing, but I would reckon
> it's the early brass square type too.

<snip>

> And see if the carby is on a shelf
> somewhere at the farm!! Don't leave without looking
> whatever you do and don't forget to tell us how you
> get on.


From pmaples at anaxis.net  Fri Jun 11 05:23:03 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 07:23:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
Message-ID: <004701c44fae$da6c4910$d7f70cd1@VAIO>

Do any of the List members live anywhere near Ashfield, MA. I have a corn
cutter I would like to purchase but it has to be picked up within 10 days of
the close of the auction. I would need someone who could pick it up for me
and store it until I could arrange for transportation to Portland for it.

Thanks,

Paul




From r.j.mattson at juno.com  Fri Jun 11 06:51:31 2004
From: r.j.mattson at juno.com (Ronald J Mattson)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:51:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Schmidt's Chilled Cylinder
Message-ID: <20040611.095318.-443535.0.R.J.Mattson@juno.com>

Hi All,
Thanks to all the folks who answered my post both on and off list. I
remember what we went through, 15 or 20 years ago with a similar project.
Ain't this electronic age wonderful.
Ron in RI

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 19:38:44 -0400 "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
writes:
> I believe Greg Doby has one.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ronald J Mattson" <r.j.mattson at juno.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 7:35 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Schmidt's Chilled Cylinder
> 
> 
> > Hi All,
> > Just picked up a 3 HP, air cooled Schmidt's. It looks like it was 
> used as
> > a boat anchor- pretty rusty, but the former owner did manage to 
> get it
> > apart with some damage. The piston is busted and the rod is rotted 
> so bad
> > that it is unusable. I would like to find a piston and rod, I know 
> this
> > is not the most common engine but if anyone has a wasted parts 
> engine,
> > please let me know.
> > I also would like to find out about the ignition system, it has a 
> spark
> > plug hole so I'm guessing that it used a buzz coil. What I need to 
> know
> > is what triggered the coil, the details of the contacts etc, etc. 
> Did it
> > have a spark advance?
> > I have copies of some ads that show the pin stripes but need to 
> know the
> > original color. Was it red with a silver cylinder? 
> > Thanks for any help you can give with this project.
> > Ron in RI
> > 
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From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Fri Jun 11 10:05:49 2004
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:05:49 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question - Update
Message-ID: <131.2efefbe1.2dfb406d@aol.com>

Hi Joe,
Well done!

Ron Carroll
Clearmont, MO USA

In a message dated 6/10/2004 8:41:46 PM Central Standard Time, jlb94 at juno.com 
writes:

> Well - - - After soaking the carb parts in denatured alcohol - the little
> 3 HP Briggs with a scored cylinder wall and hand faced valves - - - RUNS
> !!!  and runs strong !



From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jun 11 08:12:18 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:12:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Walking the Dog in Winter
Message-ID: <20040611.150955.1040.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Nice pics Pat,
It's interesting to see what it looks like at this time of year in other
countries.

What time of day is it on these pics ?

Shannon is a good looker also.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -   
 \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From weirgrant at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 11 14:04:51 2004
From: weirgrant at hotmail.com (Grant Weir)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:04:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Novo?
Message-ID: <BAY14-F34RFTKwegH3m00056543@hotmail.com>


Hi Bob,

   That is very interesting!  I've heard of London Gas Power before but I 
can't remember where...  Oh yeah - I saw something with than name on it last 
year at one of the big Schneider auctions.  Hmmm....  That makes sense that 
it would be a Canadian built engine.   Sure there are lots of IHC's and more 
common imported stuff like that, but Canadian engines are not uncommon out 
here.  (Judson, OWE & P Co., Dejardins, T.Eaton, etc.)  Unfortunately, the 
serial# plate is gone as are the crank-case covers with the name cast into 
them.  I do have the engine at home now and will get some pictures posted 
this weekend.   I don't know...  this engine is pretty rough - I'm still 
thinking "flower pot" but I am getting more and more interested all the 
time!

  Thanks for the info!

Grant Weir
Saskatoon, SK.
Canada



>From: "Bob & Sheila Bolhuis" <bolhuis at amtelecom.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo?
>Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:45:24 -0400
>
>Grant ,   There were lots of Novos sold in Canada , but they were tagged 
>London.   Made by London Gas Power or prior to that , Scott
>Machine. The early ones had the square brass mixer like on the Ideal .
>         Bob
>Bob & Sheila Bolhuis
>RR#4
>Aylmer , Ont, Can
>N5H-2R3
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From weirgrant at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 11 14:17:35 2004
From: weirgrant at hotmail.com (Grant Weir)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:17:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Grant's Novo
Message-ID: <BAY14-F20vqQ7SzE2NS00006b0e@hotmail.com>


Hi Graham,

   Thanks for the comments!  I did end up going back and getting the engine, 
but there was nothing else there to see, as the farmer had recently decided 
to push the entire yard into a hole and bury it!  By some miracle this 
engine missed the carnage, as did an IHC LB which ended up in the farmers 
yard.  In the background of that picture is the well where my mystery engine 
once pumped water.  The little upright must have pumped water there for 
several decades until the farm went "modern" and picked up the IHC LB to 
replace it.  At that point the old girl was tossed out the back of the pump 
shack and into the ditch behind where we found it.  I thought it interesting 
that way in which the poor old machine was so unceremoniously tossed aside 
was what ultimately ended up saving it.  If it were not tossed into that 
junk pile behind the pump shack it surely would have been found long ago, 
and if that Caterpillar had not drove the whole farm into a hole, the engine 
would probably still be buried.  Love it!

  I'll post some pictures this weekend.

Grant Weir
Saskatoon, SK.
Canada


>From: Graham Harris <ozengine at yahoo.com.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] Grant's Novo
>Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:14:30 +1000 (EST)
>
>Hi Grant
>
>Very interested in your Novo find at the farm. What a
>pleasure to behold seeing old iron like that - a nice
>picture for the rest of us. I hope you acquire it and
>that it's not too bad inside. There's a few holes
>exposed to the weather though.
>
>My 2c worth. I think it's only the light and grass
>shadows showing the base as "different, squarer" to a
>Novo as Luke suggested. The upright fuel fillers IMO
>is a clue to the early series (except that the Ideal's
>differ), and it may be a London as suggested.
>Unfortunately the carby is missing, but I would reckon
>it's the early brass square type too. On the later
>series (Novo's at least) the serial number is on the
>top edge of the hopper after about 70,000. In your
>case, like my early Novo it would only be on the tag.
>Can't tell if the tag is there or not (on the spark
>plug side)...yet! but the other hand-hole cover might
>tell you something if it's still there.
>
>There appears to be scads of parts in the USA for
>these and some good list mates with Novo's who have
>helped me with pics etc. I'd say go get it! especially
>if it's cheap. Offer maybe 30 $, considering it's
>condition. And see if the carby is on a shelf
>somewhere at the farm!! Don't leave without looking
>whatever you do and don't forget to tell us how you
>get on.
>
>Cheers
>
>Graham in Oz
>
>
>
>
>Thanks a bunch Arnie!  The brochure info is great.  It
>sure does
>look like a
>Novo to me.  I'll see if I can get a digital over to
>snap some
>pictures
>soon.  Wow - your's sure looks like it's in super-nice
>original
>shape.
>
>I'll post some more pictures soon.  Thanks again!
>
>Grant Weir
>
>
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From pmaples at anaxis.net  Fri Jun 11 15:53:19 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:53:19 -0500
Subject: Fw: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
Message-ID: <01bc01c45006$e70496c0$e9f70cd1@VAIO>

Folks this is a small unit that will fit in the back of a pickup, in fact
several of them would fit in the back of a pickup. Sure would like to have
it but need a temporary storage for it until I can arrange transportation to
the August Portland Show - anyone out there who can pick it up in Ashfield,
Ma for me?

Thanks

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 7:23 AM
Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help


> Do any of the List members live anywhere near Ashfield, MA. I have a corn
> cutter I would like to purchase but it has to be picked up within 10 days
of
> the close of the auction. I would need someone who could pick it up for me
> and store it until I could arrange for transportation to Portland for it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
>
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jun 11 21:41:51 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 14:41:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT: Walking the Dog in Winter
In-Reply-To: <20040611.150955.1040.1.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200406120452.i5C4q5uw016552@newidea.atis.net>

Hi Joe. The photos were taken late afternoon from about 4.30pm until sunset
at 5pm. The sun keeps setting earlier and earlier but thankfully we are
almost at the shortest day so we will soon be heading back to summer :)
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----
Nice pics Pat,
It's interesting to see what it looks like at this time of year in other
countries.

What time of day is it on these pics ?

Shannon is a good looker also.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Jun 12 03:38:10 2004
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:38:10 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Old 
Message-ID: <061220041038.4902.73a7@mchsi.com>




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Jun 12 03:43:41 2004
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:43:41 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Old iron express service needed
Message-ID: <061220041043.5689.7f0f@mchsi.com>

Still looking for some to help tranport a crankshaft and flywheel off an 
Edwards engine from Somers, Montana to northern Illinois. The parts only 
weight about 60lbs and will fit in car trunk easily.  Skip Landis has the 
parts and lives near Glacier Nat. Park in Montana.  Would like to have them 
before August 20th or even if some one can take them to Portland show the 
folowing week would help.
Thankyou in advance,
Curt Andree
McConnell, Ill.


From edstoller at earthlink.net  Sat Jun 12 12:47:56 2004
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:47:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
References: <01bc01c45006$e70496c0$e9f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <004401c450b6$39d448a0$9a9ef504@x8h7l9>

Paul,

I live about 115 mi  South of Ashfield; it would be a trip. Did you get any
other feelers?

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 6:53 PM
Subject: Fw: [SEL] Need Transportation Help


> Folks this is a small unit that will fit in the back of a pickup, in fact
> several of them would fit in the back of a pickup. Sure would like to have
> it but need a temporary storage for it until I can arrange transportation
to
> the August Portland Show - anyone out there who can pick it up in
Ashfield,
> Ma for me?
>
> Thanks
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 7:23 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
>
>
> > Do any of the List members live anywhere near Ashfield, MA. I have a
corn
> > cutter I would like to purchase but it has to be picked up within 10
days
> of
> > the close of the auction. I would need someone who could pick it up for
me
> > and store it until I could arrange for transportation to Portland for
it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From pmaples at anaxis.net  Sat Jun 12 18:34:24 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 20:34:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
References: <01bc01c45006$e70496c0$e9f70cd1@VAIO>
	<004401c450b6$39d448a0$9a9ef504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <007d01c450e6$91cd5670$e0f70cd1@VAIO>

Not yet Ed and that is way too far for you to go. I so appreciate your
response but unless someone closer comes through I will just forget it.

Thanks again Ed,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help


> Paul,
>
> I live about 115 mi  South of Ashfield; it would be a trip. Did you get
any
> other feelers?
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 6:53 PM
> Subject: Fw: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
>
>
> > Folks this is a small unit that will fit in the back of a pickup, in
fact
> > several of them would fit in the back of a pickup. Sure would like to
have
> > it but need a temporary storage for it until I can arrange
transportation
> to
> > the August Portland Show - anyone out there who can pick it up in
> Ashfield,
> > Ma for me?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> > To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 7:23 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> >
> >
> > > Do any of the List members live anywhere near Ashfield, MA. I have a
> corn
> > > cutter I would like to purchase but it has to be picked up within 10
> days
> > of
> > > the close of the auction. I would need someone who could pick it up
for
> me
> > > and store it until I could arrange for transportation to Portland for
> it.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
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> > >
> > >
> >
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From gwwny at verizon.net  Sat Jun 12 19:23:29 2004
From: gwwny at verizon.net (George Woodzell)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 22:23:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
In-Reply-To: <007d01c450e6$91cd5670$e0f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <BCF132E1.5426%gwwny@verizon.net>

Hi, Paul!

I'm in Schenectady, New York - near Albany. If this unit of yours will fit
in the back of a station wagon, I'd be happy to go get the thing and store
it for you. How much does the thing weigh?

George

> Not yet Ed and that is way too far for you to go. I so appreciate your
> response but unless someone closer comes through I will just forget it.
> 
> Thanks again Ed,
> 
> Paul
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 2:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> 
> 
>> Paul,
>> 
>> I live about 115 mi  South of Ashfield; it would be a trip. Did you get
> any
>> other feelers?
>> 
>> Ed Stoller
>> New Fairfield, CT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
>> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 6:53 PM
>> Subject: Fw: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
>> 
>> 
>>> Folks this is a small unit that will fit in the back of a pickup, in
> fact
>>> several of them would fit in the back of a pickup. Sure would like to
> have
>>> it but need a temporary storage for it until I can arrange
> transportation
>> to
>>> the August Portland Show - anyone out there who can pick it up in
>> Ashfield,
>>> Ma for me?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
>>> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 7:23 AM
>>> Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Do any of the List members live anywhere near Ashfield, MA. I have a
>> corn
>>>> cutter I would like to purchase but it has to be picked up within 10
>> days
>>> of
>>>> the close of the auction. I would need someone who could pick it up
> for
>> me
>>>> and store it until I could arrange for transportation to Portland for
>> it.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Paul
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Jun 12 23:24:37 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:24:37 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Johnson Multimotor Information Needed
Message-ID: <1c8.1a840069.2dfd4d25@aol.com>

Hi List,
Does anyone know where I can find some technical data on a Johnson 
Multimotor, single cylinder, two cycle engine.  I need to know where I might be able to 
get a carburetor.  This engine is similar in design to the Model 92 Maytag.  
It has a cast iron flywheel and a detactable head.
Any information is appreciated.

Thanks, 

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From sutter at iprimus.com.au  Sun Jun 13 00:48:32 2004
From: sutter at iprimus.com.au (Sutter)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:48:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Bamford EV1 / EG! Big end bearing adjustment
Message-ID: <MCBBLAKEEFPFODGGJMCMIEJKDAAA.sutter@iprimus.com.au>


G'day SEL list

I have a Bamford EV1 /EG1 1.5 hp.
On both engines the big end has split white metal shell inserts  with shim
adjustment.
The difference between these big ends and all the other ones I have seen and
done is that the shims sit OUTSIDE the shells ie. the shells butt up against
each other and the shims are behind the shell and located by the big end
bolts. The Bamford parts manual clearly shows this setup as well.

Question:
If you want to adjust the clearance and remove say 2 shims it does not
really make any difference as the shells are already butted hard against
each other. Do you have to "rub' the surface of each shell down the required
amount on fine emery/flat surface to match the thickness of shims removed ?
If so isn't this method inaccurate and basically not very good- if you rub
the shell down too much it could then move slightly in the big end - or it
might not be square etc. etc.

Am I missing something ? Engines I have dealt with have the shims between
the shells - you add or remove the required amount of shims - do the big end
up and everything is locked together and cannot move - end of story.
Also does anyone know of a source for a 10 thou undersize set of bamford big
end shells ie. 1.490 inch?

Looking forward to hearing from (Bamford) experts.

Rod Sutter
Melbourne Australia
sutter at iprimus.com.au
03 9763 9235



From pmaples at anaxis.net  Sun Jun 13 09:15:30 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:15:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
References: <BCF132E1.5426%gwwny@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <00bb01c45161$a8bfb4b0$f2f70cd1@VAIO>

Folks I done something I am good at and that is show my ignorance. I had
stated in a previous list that the corn cutter I am looking for
transportation for was in Ashfield, Maryland as I assumed that the state
abbreviation Ma was Maryland. My good friend George Woodzell, who is
obviously more educated that I aptly pointed out to me that Ma is
Massachusetts, not Maryland. So if any of you folks live near Ashfield, Mass
and could pick the cutter up and store it for me until I can arrange
transportation to Portland I would appreciate it. It will easily fit in the
back of any pickup and as I have said before you could probably put tow or
three in the back of a normal pickup. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Woodzell" <gwwny at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help


> Hi, Paul!
>
> I'm in Schenectady, New York - near Albany. If this unit of yours will fit
> in the back of a station wagon, I'd be happy to go get the thing and store
> it for you. How much does the thing weigh?
>
> George
>
> > Not yet Ed and that is way too far for you to go. I so appreciate your
> > response but unless someone closer comes through I will just forget it.
> >
> > Thanks again Ed,
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 2:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> >
> >
> >> Paul,
> >>
> >> I live about 115 mi  South of Ashfield; it would be a trip. Did you get
> > any
> >> other feelers?
> >>
> >> Ed Stoller
> >> New Fairfield, CT
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> >> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 6:53 PM
> >> Subject: Fw: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> >>
> >>
> >>> Folks this is a small unit that will fit in the back of a pickup, in
> > fact
> >>> several of them would fit in the back of a pickup. Sure would like to
> > have
> >>> it but need a temporary storage for it until I can arrange
> > transportation
> >> to
> >>> the August Portland Show - anyone out there who can pick it up in
> >> Ashfield,
> >>> Ma for me?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> >>> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 7:23 AM
> >>> Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Do any of the List members live anywhere near Ashfield, MA. I have a
> >> corn
> >>>> cutter I would like to purchase but it has to be picked up within 10
> >> days
> >>> of
> >>>> the close of the auction. I would need someone who could pick it up
> > for
> >> me
> >>>> and store it until I could arrange for transportation to Portland for
> >> it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Paul
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> SEL mailing list
> >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> SEL mailing list
> >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jun 13 10:25:08 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:25:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Test - OT Disregard
In-Reply-To: <014901c44705$2721c670$6809a4cb@km>
References: <000d01c41de3$7892ba00$f6a557ca@andrewiowlw0rj>
	<014901c44705$2721c670$6809a4cb@km>
Message-ID: <40CC8DF4.5040300@scrtc.com>



Not getting any SEL emails.  Sorry for the test to see if its on my end.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Sun Jun 13 12:23:21 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 20:23:21 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Test - OT Disregard
In-Reply-To: <40CC8DF4.5040300@scrtc.com>
References: <000d01c41de3$7892ba00$f6a557ca@andrewiowlw0rj>
	<014901c44705$2721c670$6809a4cb@km> <40CC8DF4.5040300@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <7capc0tnrprb9713slmed79fquqvsgr283@4ax.com>

On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:25:08 -0400, you wrote:

>
>
>Not getting any SEL emails.  Sorry for the test to see if its on my end.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY

Been fairly quiet here all weekend, Tommy, you're probably seeing the same
thing.

Peter

--
Peter & Rita Forbes
diesel at easynet.co.uk
Engine pages for preservation info:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From falcon at telenet.net  Sun Jun 13 13:40:52 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:40:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
References: <BCF132E1.5426%gwwny@verizon.net>
	<00bb01c45161$a8bfb4b0$f2f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <001701c45186$b86f83c0$911117d1@net.telenet.net>

135 miles one way for me Paul. It's a shame it has a time limit. I go
out to Springfield for the Big E but that is a ways away yet.


Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help


> Folks I done something I am good at and that is show my ignorance. I
had
> stated in a previous list that the corn cutter I am looking for
> transportation for was in Ashfield, Maryland as I assumed that the
state
> abbreviation Ma was Maryland. My good friend George Woodzell, who is
> obviously more educated that I aptly pointed out to me that Ma is
> Massachusetts, not Maryland. So if any of you folks live near
Ashfield, Mass
> and could pick the cutter up and store it for me until I can arrange
> transportation to Portland I would appreciate it. It will easily fit
in the
> back of any pickup and as I have said before you could probably put
tow or
> three in the back of a normal pickup. Any help would be greatly
appreciated.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "George Woodzell" <gwwny at verizon.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 9:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
>
>
> > Hi, Paul!
> >
> > I'm in Schenectady, New York - near Albany. If this unit of yours
will fit
> > in the back of a station wagon, I'd be happy to go get the thing and
store
> > it for you. How much does the thing weigh?
> >
> > George
> >
> > > Not yet Ed and that is way too far for you to go. I so appreciate
your
> > > response but unless someone closer comes through I will just
forget it.
> > >
> > > Thanks again Ed,
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> > > To: "The SEL email discussion list"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 2:47 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> > >
> > >
> > >> Paul,
> > >>
> > >> I live about 115 mi  South of Ashfield; it would be a trip. Did
you get
> > > any
> > >> other feelers?
> > >>
> > >> Ed Stoller
> > >> New Fairfield, CT
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> > >> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > >> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 6:53 PM
> > >> Subject: Fw: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Folks this is a small unit that will fit in the back of a
pickup, in
> > > fact
> > >>> several of them would fit in the back of a pickup. Sure would
like to
> > > have
> > >>> it but need a temporary storage for it until I can arrange
> > > transportation
> > >> to
> > >>> the August Portland Show - anyone out there who can pick it up
in
> > >> Ashfield,
> > >>> Ma for me?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> > >>> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > >>> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 7:23 AM
> > >>> Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Do any of the List members live anywhere near Ashfield, MA. I
have a
> > >> corn
> > >>>> cutter I would like to purchase but it has to be picked up
within 10
> > >> days
> > >>> of
> > >>>> the close of the auction. I would need someone who could pick
it up
> > > for
> > >> me
> > >>>> and store it until I could arrange for transportation to
Portland for
> > >> it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Paul
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>> SEL mailing list
> > >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> SEL mailing list
> > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> SEL mailing list
> > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Jun 13 13:54:48 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:54:48 EDT
Subject: [SEL]Should Be Utilimotor (made by Johnson), -- Info Needed
Message-ID: <1c0.1a614efc.2dfe1918@aol.com>

Hi List,
I screwed up when I was asking for data on a Johnson Multimotor.  Looking at 
the name tag in better lighting, I see that this engine is a Utilimotor (made 
by Johnson), Engine No. U20333.  I need technical information for this 
Utilimotor.  This Utilimotor is fairly complete except for the missing carburetor.


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Jun 13 14:53:58 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:53:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Test - OT Disregard
References: <000d01c41de3$7892ba00$f6a557ca@andrewiowlw0rj><014901c44705$2721c670$6809a4cb@km>
	<40CC8DF4.5040300@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV117ayeEHawO0001a9df@hotmail.com>

Made it to Montana Tommy.
   We got home late last night after attending the Lewistown, Mt. EDGE&TA 
show.  Only around 7 stationaries were there.  Show stopper for me was the 
150 Hp F-M, two lunger, horizontal....very sweet to the ears.

  Life is good..sawrig coming along jus fine.

later,
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 11:25 AM
Subject: [SEL] Test - OT Disregard


>
>
> Not getting any SEL emails.  Sorry for the test to see if its on my end.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From pmaples at anaxis.net  Sun Jun 13 15:43:23 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:43:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
References: <BCF132E1.5426%gwwny@verizon.net><00bb01c45161$a8bfb4b0$f2f70cd1@VAIO>
	<001701c45186$b86f83c0$911117d1@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <008401c45197$d8151b70$d4f70cd1@VAIO>

Thanks Steve for the response. I ask the lady if she would extend me any
grace on the pickup time and she let me know in a hurry that once it was
sold I had 10 days to get it and that was that. She told me that she had
been burned in the past by telling folks she could hold something for awhile
and then she ended up be a storage facility.

Thanks,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help


> 135 miles one way for me Paul. It's a shame it has a time limit. I go
> out to Springfield for the Big E but that is a ways away yet.
>
>
> Steve Williams
> Near Cooperstown NY
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
>
>
> > Folks I done something I am good at and that is show my ignorance. I
> had
> > stated in a previous list that the corn cutter I am looking for
> > transportation for was in Ashfield, Maryland as I assumed that the
> state
> > abbreviation Ma was Maryland. My good friend George Woodzell, who is
> > obviously more educated that I aptly pointed out to me that Ma is
> > Massachusetts, not Maryland. So if any of you folks live near
> Ashfield, Mass
> > and could pick the cutter up and store it for me until I can arrange
> > transportation to Portland I would appreciate it. It will easily fit
> in the
> > back of any pickup and as I have said before you could probably put
> tow or
> > three in the back of a normal pickup. Any help would be greatly
> appreciated.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "George Woodzell" <gwwny at verizon.net>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 9:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> >
> >
> > > Hi, Paul!
> > >
> > > I'm in Schenectady, New York - near Albany. If this unit of yours
> will fit
> > > in the back of a station wagon, I'd be happy to go get the thing and
> store
> > > it for you. How much does the thing weigh?
> > >
> > > George
> > >
> > > > Not yet Ed and that is way too far for you to go. I so appreciate
> your
> > > > response but unless someone closer comes through I will just
> forget it.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again Ed,
> > > >
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> > > > To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 2:47 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Paul,
> > > >>
> > > >> I live about 115 mi  South of Ashfield; it would be a trip. Did
> you get
> > > > any
> > > >> other feelers?
> > > >>
> > > >> Ed Stoller
> > > >> New Fairfield, CT
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> > > >> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > >> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 6:53 PM
> > > >> Subject: Fw: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> Folks this is a small unit that will fit in the back of a
> pickup, in
> > > > fact
> > > >>> several of them would fit in the back of a pickup. Sure would
> like to
> > > > have
> > > >>> it but need a temporary storage for it until I can arrange
> > > > transportation
> > > >> to
> > > >>> the August Portland Show - anyone out there who can pick it up
> in
> > > >> Ashfield,
> > > >>> Ma for me?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> > > >>> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > >>> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 7:23 AM
> > > >>> Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Do any of the List members live anywhere near Ashfield, MA. I
> have a
> > > >> corn
> > > >>>> cutter I would like to purchase but it has to be picked up
> within 10
> > > >> days
> > > >>> of
> > > >>>> the close of the auction. I would need someone who could pick
> it up
> > > > for
> > > >> me
> > > >>>> and store it until I could arrange for transportation to
> Portland for
> > > >> it.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Paul
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > > >>>> SEL mailing list
> > > >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> _______________________________________________
> > > >>> SEL mailing list
> > > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> _______________________________________________
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Jun 13 16:36:53 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:36:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] What's the Horsepower?  (Bessemer half-breed)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406131932050.86197@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

I've got a Bessemer half-breed, bore & stroke are 6.5" x 12".
I've seen reference info that suggests that this is a 10 hp gas cylinder
and other reference info that suggests that it's a 12.5 hp gas cylinder.

Anyone out there with something definititive?  Or even a good guess?

10 hp or 12.5 hp?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Jun 13 17:25:02 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:25:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] RE: What's the Horsepower?  (Bessemer half-breed)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406131932050.86197@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <200406140033.i5E0Xbuw021366@newidea.atis.net>


 
> I've got a Bessemer half-breed, bore & stroke are 6.5" x
12".
> I've seen reference info that suggests that this is a 10
hp 
> gas cylinder and other reference info that suggests that
it's 
> a 12.5 hp gas cylinder.
> 
> Anyone out there with something definititive?  Or even a
good guess?

My guess is about three cents a pound.  

Rob

P.S.
C'mon, spill the beans!  
How did the flywheel pull go today?




From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net  Sun Jun 13 19:08:53 2004
From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 22:08:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Test - OT Disregard
References: <000d01c41de3$7892ba00$f6a557ca@andrewiowlw0rj>	<014901c44705$2721c670$6809a4cb@km>
	<40CC8DF4.5040300@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <40CD08B5.60503@zoominternet.net>

Your Honor,
I copy you loud and clear.

 Ed

Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

>
>
> Not getting any SEL emails.  Sorry for the test to see if its on my end.
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From jenkins.frames at juno.com  Sun Jun 13 20:08:20 2004
From: jenkins.frames at juno.com (Arthur r Jenkins)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:08:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] another favor
Message-ID: <20040613.230836.-1932479.4.jenkins.frames@juno.com>

Have a favor to ask of the list 
I have a young friend that I have taken to a few engine typ shows, he has
enjoyed himself.  Since he will in California through August and I am in
Virginia was wondering if anyone on the west coast could sugges a few
shows or events for him to attend.  He will be in Oceanside somewhere
near San Deigo.
Send to me any show dates and locations off list and I will forward them.

Thanks
Arthur

Kohler generator project.

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From pavy at ihug.com.au  Sun Jun 13 23:28:19 2004
From: pavy at ihug.com.au (Mark and Leeanne)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:58:19 +0930
Subject: [SEL] IHC M 6HP
Message-ID: <003901c451d8$caba4f90$9505d9cb@yourvrozpt3zvx>

How is everyone?

I unsubscribed a while back due to an ongoing illness. I'm still not well
and am struggling to do everyday things and have not been doing much in the
way of restoring or attending engine shows. I have resubsribed now and
apologise to anyone left wondering if I dropped off the face of the earth.

Anyway about 3 months back a new mate asked me to give him an idea of value
of some engines he had in his shed as he wanted to sell some of them (he
doesn't have much interest in them and they were given to him by his
grandpa).
He had about a dozen of the more common engines seen in Australia but
amongst them were a Fuller and Johnson pumper and a 6HP Inter M. I asked
about these 2 but he was adamant he was keeping these 2 engines.
He rang me a couple of weeks ago stating he needed $1000 quick and I could
have the Inter M.
I wasted no time in picking it up as I have missed out on engines before
while thinking.

What I ended up with is engine No 10949 6HP dated 1920 with low tension
ignition complete with muffler, crankhandle and correct oiler on a farm made
transport. It has no sign of wear and I don't think it has had a lot of use.
Although it has been painted long ago. I repaired and remagnetised the
magneto, fixed the ignitor and cleaned and got the spiders out of the carby
and it runs very sweetly at 280RPM.

Photos at
http://community.webshots.com/user/pavys

Do I restore it or leave it as found?. Also I have never seen one with a
carby like this.
Thanks

Mark Pavy
Queenstown South Australia



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Jun 14 01:00:27 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:00:27 +0200
Subject: [SEL] IHC M 6HP
References: <003901c451d8$caba4f90$9505d9cb@yourvrozpt3zvx>
Message-ID: <000d01c451e5$a7beb370$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>


Hi Mark,

Nice early engine you have there. Only the color is a little strange
it has to be darker green. The carb is the early two-way carb, they
change them about 1921 for the three-way ones. The brass valve
plunger is new home made so to see. It has the old hand hole plate
with the wingnut. You have to find an original or repro fuel tank, it
sits under in the crank case. I think when you replace the governor 
springs for slacker ones you could make 200-220 rpm.
All in all a nice engine, when you have the time and like it to look
better, I would restore it and paint it in the right color with at the
governor side in yellow         INTERNATIONAL
                                                      engine

and the double white globe on the mag side.
But it's up to you of course, you're the lucky owner.

Have alot fun with your toy,

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl


> http://community.webshots.com/user/pavys
> Do I restore it or leave it as found?. Also I have never seen one with a
> carby like this.
> Thanks
> 
> Mark Pavy
> Queenstown South Australia




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jun 14 01:20:00 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:20:00 +1000
Subject: [SEL] IHC M 6HP
In-Reply-To: <003901c451d8$caba4f90$9505d9cb@yourvrozpt3zvx>
Message-ID: <200406140954.i5E9sMuw026521@newidea.atis.net>

Hi Mark,
	Good to have another Aussie back on the list :)
John has covered most of the facts on the engine. I would definitely give it
a nice coat of paint and a little TLC. I can see the fuel pump lurking on
the engine so with a little refurbishing you could have it running off the
tank in the base.  
The M is a good find. It is unusual to find any engine in Oz with its low
tension ignition intact. Most engines have been attacked by the spark plug
elves.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----

Do I restore it or leave it as found? Also I have never seen one with a
carby like this.
Thanks

Mark Pavy
Queenstown South Australia





From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Jun 14 05:34:07 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:34:07 +0100
Subject: [SEL] British Engine show Rules
Message-ID: <000501c4520b$e2b5ce20$0101a8c0@nemesis>

We have frequently discussed the different rules & ways of running an Engine show
in our various countries.
I have posted the rules for our biggest engine show at 
http://community.webshots.com/photo/152558084/152558982eXTBkD
(View full size to read) 
Does anyone have a rules sheet from their own show for comparison?
Dave Croft
Warrington
England



From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Jun 14 05:44:40 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:44:40 EDT
Subject: [SEL] IHC M 6HP
Message-ID: <117.341254f6.2dfef7b8@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/14/2004 4:14:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl writes:

<< Nice early engine you have there. Only the color is a little strange
 it has to be darker green. >>


John/Mark

I have two 6-M's, and have painted them with 1936 Buick engine green, which I 
believe is close to the original color.  It is special engine enamel that I 
have ordered from an auto restoration parts house and seems to hold up very 
well. Picture at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/Engine9.htm

The 6-M's are beautiful runners, but I still have nightmares about the 10-M 
that I have known about for years sitting in an apple packing shed that is tied 
up in an estate that cannot be bought yet!!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Jun 14 06:52:59 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:52:59 +0200
Subject: [SEL] IHC M 6HP
References: <117.341254f6.2dfef7b8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002401c45216$e70f1520$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Keep it warm Tom, don't loose that ten horse!
Think of any tricks you can do to get it.

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl


> The 6-M's are beautiful runners, but I still have nightmares about the 10-M 
> that I have known about for years sitting in an apple packing shed that is tied 
> up in an estate that cannot be bought yet!!
> 
> Tom Schmutz




From cjclem at sysim.net  Mon Jun 14 06:56:29 2004
From: cjclem at sysim.net (John)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:56:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Wis Engine Show (Viroqua)
Message-ID: <1087221389.40cdae8deb470@webmail.sysim.net>

Last week a list question was asked about former Viroqua,Wis show.  
Here is reply I rec'd via email 
today. /                                  The Coulee Antique Engines, 
now known as the Western Wisconsin Agricultural Museum, Inc., is 
undergoing a big change, putting on a new face!  This year the event 
will be held July 30-Aug. 1 at their new grounds on HWY 27 between 
Cashton and Westby.  Oliver will be the featured farm equipment this 
year. Hope you can make it!
Ingrid Mahan
Exec. Director
Viroqua Partners
220 South Main
Viroqua, WI
54665
(608) 637-2575
 




From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Jun 14 08:07:39 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:07:39 EDT
Subject: [SEL] IHC M 6HP
Message-ID: <1dd.23f7b83a.2dff193b@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/14/2004 10:28:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl writes:

<< Keep it warm Tom, don't loose that ten horse! >>

John,

I try to do that visiting maybe once a year.  While at a small show this past 
Saturday, got a lead on an Economy drop frame cart that I need to pay a visit 
in the very near future.  Ken Christison and his wife Connie drove up the 
show and we had a nice visit with them.  

Have a good day.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us  Mon Jun 14 09:30:05 2004
From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:30:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Paul's Transport Problem
Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A72022A9@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>

Paul, 

If I can meddle a bit here, Ashfield, MA isn't all that far from George in Schenectady. Maybe 40 miles as the crow flies. If the crow is walking along the road, it will be some further, but still not all that far.
I was there LAST month, of course...

Bruce Younger
Lenexa, Kansas USA
mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com
 

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From chesnimnus at juno.com  Mon Jun 14 10:55:48 2004
From: chesnimnus at juno.com (Colin M Rush)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:55:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Vaughan Motor; Mitchell, Lewis, Staver Motor
Message-ID: <20040614.110159.2708.3.chesnimnus@juno.com>

I was visiting an old dredge museum in eastern Oregon last week, and saw
in the yard there a small motor made by Vaughan Motor Works in Portland,
Oregon.  Since I live in Portland, I am thinking I would like to find one
of these.  I find no information on it by doing internet searches, other
than some photos of a unit at a museum in Australia.  Does anyone have
any information on one of these, or does anyone have one of these in
restorable condition that they would be willing to part with?  
Also, I am going to an auction south of me where there is a motor made by
Mitchell, Lewis, & Staver, again of Portland, Oregon.  I am looking for
the same information on that motor, as well as an estimate of what would
be an acceptable price to bid on it.  It does not run, does not turn, but
looks to be all there.  It is painted orange, but I do not know if that
is original or not.  I do not know the model, but the flywheel is about 2
to 3 feet in diameter, it is a single piston motor, and it has the CI
water tank on it.
-Colin Rush

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From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jun 14 11:35:31 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:35:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Lauson gaskets needed
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406131932050.86197@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000001c4523e$699cf300$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

Air cooled from 40's or 50's.
55AB-609
5172328

The little green one about 1 horse or so as used on reel mowers, etc.
Need all gaskets.
The local dudes can't even look 'em up any more, and simply don't want to
try.

Bill
Sunny hot and wet Iowa



From sleis at mwt.net  Mon Jun 14 14:17:48 2004
From: sleis at mwt.net (Stacy Leis)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:17:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Wis Engine Show (Viroqua)
References: <1087221389.40cdae8deb470@webmail.sysim.net>
Message-ID: <001e01c45255$1cda8fc0$0a55becf@computer>


Hi John 

 Thank you, I really appreciate you finding out this information for me .
              
                                            Stacy :-)
                                              Elroy, Wisconsin


From weirgrant at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 14 14:42:34 2004
From: weirgrant at hotmail.com (Grant Weir)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:42:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Novo/London pictures
Message-ID: <BAY14-F13e7vAtmOzLT0008e33a@hotmail.com>


Hi all,

   I finally got some pictures taken of my new treasure:

http://groups.msn.com/GrantsOldTractorGoodies/newengine.msnw?albumlist=2

   From the info Arnie sent me (thanks!), it looks like it is a 3HP Novo 
engine.  If it is not a Novo, then it is some form of knock-off thereof.  
One thing I am sure of is that it is very heavy - this thing will need a 
cart very soon! :-)

   I did manage to find the serial number - stamped plain-as-day on the 
bottom edge of the water hopper is "C5967" and also on one end of the 
crankshaft is stamped "5967" - neat!   This number does not jive with any 
Novo serial number lists I found on the net.  Something else that is a bit 
different is is that the valves are not housed in "cages" like the Novo 
brochure shows, but are actually more "normal" in that the seats are built 
right into the cylinder casting.  Less "normal" is the fact that the only 
way to access them is through two big threaded holes into the top of the 
combustion chamber way down in the water hopper.  The threaded holes are 
plugged with big ugly taper-threaded, NPT-looking plug-things.  They look 
well sealed now, but I'll bet their a real hassle to get "re-sealed" once 
I've removed them for valve repair.  Part of the fun I guess.  One positive 
point to the water hopper being all broken away like it is will be the 
easier to access to the valves.  Yipee!  :-)

   I have never seen a Novo engine up close before so I do not know, but...  
does the round top of the water hopper unbolt from the rest of the engine?  
This engine I have is missing the top part of the water hopper.   This seems 
different to a Novo too as all the pictures of Novo's I have seen look like 
the top of the water hopper is cast right in.  My engine seems more like 
this picture of a London I found on Duncan & Sandy Denman's website at the 
"Canadian Show Engine Patch":

http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/page39.html

   Well, that's all I know about this subject for now.  This little gem will 
have to sit on the back-burner for a while anyway as my little 18' x 26' 
garage/shop is currently home to two disassembled antique tractors, eight or 
ten stationary engines, half a kitchen and several bags of little league 
baseball equipment.   It's getting to be a bit of a squeeze - I guess I'd 
better get that darn ball equipment out of there!  :-)

Grant Weir
Saskatoon, SK.
Canada

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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun 14 15:04:23 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:04:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] another favor
In-Reply-To: <20040613.230836.-1932479.4.jenkins.frames@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200406142212.i5EMCruw019147@newidea.atis.net>


> Since he will in California 
> through August and I am in Virginia was wondering if
anyone 
> on the west coast could sugges a few shows or events for
him 
> to attend.  He will be in Oceanside somewhere near San
Deigo.


Art,
Is your buddy in California NOW?  

June 19, 20, 26, 27 is the show in Vista, about 7 miles
inland 
from Oceanside.  He couldn't have picked a better time to
visit.  
The address of the museum is 2040 N. Santa Fe.  
http://www.agsem.com/



=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
www.rustyiron.com 













From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jun 14 15:26:51 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:26:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] another favor
Message-ID: <20040614.152652.864.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Arthur.
I don't know of any shows at that time, but if he is in Oceanside he
should go to the Antique Gas & Steam Engine Museum in Vista.  2040 N.
Santa Fe Avenue 92083.  Phone 760-941-1791.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA


> Have a favor to ask of the list 
> I have a young friend that I have taken to a few engine typ shows, 
> he has
> enjoyed himself.  Since he will in California through August and I 
> am in
> Virginia was wondering if anyone on the west coast could sugges a 
> few
> shows or events for him to attend.  He will be in Oceanside 
> somewhere
> near San Deigo.
> Send to me any show dates and locations off list and I will forward 
> them.
> 
> Thanks
> Arthur
> 
> Kohler generator project.


From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu  Mon Jun 14 16:38:58 2004
From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:38:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Vaughan Motor; Mitchell, Lewis, Staver Motor
Message-ID: <ECA98EBA2E42EA47A07249BE0A38E9002C03E3@EMAIL6.bsu.edu>

Hello Colin,
 
I don't know anything about the Vaughan Motor Works but I do have one picture of a Vaughan Motor Works engine/motor, Portland, Oregon on my website.  I took this picture at a show in Indiana in 2002.  
To see it go to
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker/shows/huntington/vaughanmotorworksportlandor.jpg
 
 
 
Regards,
 
Don Siefker
28 Miles SW of Portland, Indiana
http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker
 
 

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Colin M Rush 
	Sent: Mon 6/14/2004 12:55 PM 
	To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com 
	Cc: 
	Subject: [SEL] Vaughan Motor; Mitchell, Lewis, Staver Motor
	
	

	I was visiting an old dredge museum in eastern Oregon last week, and saw
	in the yard there a small motor made by Vaughan Motor Works in Portland,
	Oregon.  Since I live in Portland, I am thinking I would like to find one
	of these.  I find no information on it by doing internet searches, other
	than some photos of a unit at a museum in Australia.  Does anyone have
	any information on one of these, or does anyone have one of these in
	restorable condition that they would be willing to part with? 
	Also, I am going to an auction south of me where there is a motor made by
	Mitchell, Lewis, & Staver, again of Portland, Oregon.  I am looking for
	the same information on that motor, as well as an estimate of what would
	be an acceptable price to bid on it.  It does not run, does not turn, but
	looks to be all there.  It is painted orange, but I do not know if that
	is original or not.  I do not know the model, but the flywheel is about 2
	to 3 feet in diameter, it is a single piston motor, and it has the CI
	water tank on it.
	-Colin Rush
	
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From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Mon Jun 14 19:10:28 2004
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:10:28 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Novo/London pictures
Message-ID: <24.58be43ad.2dffb494@aol.com>

Hi Grant,

Thank you for the great pictures.  

Since you know it will be a while before you can work on your new "Novo" why 
not rig it in an electrolysis bath and let it spend the summer bubbling.  It 
might make a world of difference in getting those pipe plugs out.


Regards,
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, Virginia USA

In a message dated 6/14/2004 5:08:13 PM Central Standard Time, 
weirgrant at hotmail.com writes:

> This little gem will 
> have to sit on the back-burner for a while anyway 



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun 14 22:17:25 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:17:25 -0700
Subject: [SEL] RE: another favor
Message-ID: <200406150525.i5F5Ptuw003021@newidea.atis.net>

 
> Since he will in California
> through August and I am in Virginia was wondering if
anyone on the 
> west coast could sugges a few shows or events for him to
attend.  He 
> will be in Oceanside somewhere near San Deigo.


Art,
Is your buddy in California NOW?  

June 19, 20, 26, 27 is the show in Vista, about 7 miles
inland 
from Oceanside.  He couldn't have picked a better time to
visit.  
The address of the museum is 2040 N. Santa Fe.  
http://www.agsem.com/



=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
www.rustyiron.com 













From bercar at shenhgts.net  Mon Jun 14 20:24:30 2004
From: bercar at shenhgts.net (Bernie)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:24:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] sun engine tester help
In-Reply-To: <ECA98EBA2E42EA47A07249BE0A38E9002C03E3@EMAIL6.bsu.edu>
Message-ID: <ILEPJHGCGMNODDKDIEFACEOKCFAA.bercar@shenhgts.net>

alright, this may be on topic or off topic depending on how you look at it.

Im looking for schematics and calibration data for a sun electric engine tester model 1120. This unit was made in the late 60's

Problem is i cant find any.  I was wondering if anyone on the list came across anything like this before.  

Either that or does anyone know someone who works for Snap-On, sun electric, or EquiServ?????

This unit was made by sun electric, but not to long ago snap-on bought them out, and EquiServ does the repair work.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Bernie Carter





From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Jun 15 03:53:14 2004
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:53:14 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Vaughan Motor; Mitchell, Lewis, Staver Motor
Message-ID: <061520041053.14008.4754@mchsi.com>

Collin,
Very much interested in the engine made by Mitchell, Lewis & Staver since Ive 
been doing much research on Stover engines and have records showing large 
amounts of engines sold to them in early 1900's.  That company was a big 
exporter of Stover/Cooper badged engines sent to Australia.  If you could 
contact me off list I would greatly appreciate it.
thankyou in advance,
Curt Andree
> I was visiting an old dredge museum in eastern Oregon last week, and saw
> in the yard there a small motor made by Vaughan Motor Works in Portland,
> Oregon.  Since I live in Portland, I am thinking I would like to find one
> of these.  I find no information on it by doing internet searches, other
> than some photos of a unit at a museum in Australia.  Does anyone have
> any information on one of these, or does anyone have one of these in
> restorable condition that they would be willing to part with?  
> Also, I am going to an auction south of me where there is a motor made by
> Mitchell, Lewis, & Staver, again of Portland, Oregon.  I am looking for
> the same information on that motor, as well as an estimate of what would
> be an acceptable price to bid on it.  It does not run, does not turn, but
> looks to be all there.  It is painted orange, but I do not know if that
> is original or not.  I do not know the model, but the flywheel is about 2
> to 3 feet in diameter, it is a single piston motor, and it has the CI
> water tank on it.
> -Colin Rush
> 
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jun 15 04:45:14 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 07:45:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] RE: What's the Horsepower?  (Bessemer half-breed)
References: <200406140033.i5E0Xbuw021366@newidea.atis.net>
Message-ID: <028701c452ce$3967c8a0$0400a8c0@Dave>

> P.S.
> C'mon, spill the beans!  
> How did the flywheel pull go today?

Hi Rob, I have information that the HP of Arnie's Bessemer is still ZERO!
    Dave


From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Jun 15 04:56:18 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 07:56:18 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Novo/London pictures
Message-ID: <b4.2d4c86c8.2e003de2@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/14/2004 6:08:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
weirgrant at hotmail.com writes:

<<  It's getting to be a bit of a squeeze - I guess I'd 
 better get that darn ball equipment out of there! >>

Grant,

NO! NO!  The only proper thing to do to solve this problem, it to add on to 
the sheds to provide more space for dismantled old iron!!  Nice project engine 
and looks like a Novo clone.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jenkins.frames at juno.com  Tue Jun 15 05:18:29 2004
From: jenkins.frames at juno.com (Arthur r Jenkins)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 08:18:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] another favor
Message-ID: <20040615.090618.-2077185.26.jenkins.frames@juno.com>

Ron

Thank you
I will forward the information

Arthur


On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:26:51 -0700 rdhaskell at juno.com writes:
> Hi Arthur.
> I don't know of any shows at that time, but if he is in Oceanside 
> he
> should go to the Antique Gas & Steam Engine Museum in Vista.  2040 
> N.
> Santa Fe Avenue 92083.  Phone 760-941-1791.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> 
> 
> > Have a favor to ask of the list 
> > I have a young friend that I have taken to a few engine typ shows, 
> 
> > he has
> > enjoyed himself.  Since he will in California through August and I 
> 
> > am in
> > Virginia was wondering if anyone on the west coast could sugges a 
> 
> > few
> > shows or events for him to attend.  He will be in Oceanside 
> > somewhere
> > near San Deigo.
> > Send to me any show dates and locations off list and I will 
> forward 
> > them.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Arthur
> > 
> > Kohler generator project.
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From jenkins.frames at juno.com  Tue Jun 15 05:27:12 2004
From: jenkins.frames at juno.com (Arthur r Jenkins)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 08:27:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] another favor
Message-ID: <20040615.090618.-2077185.30.jenkins.frames@juno.com>

Rob

Yes he is there NOW.
I have forwarded the information.  Let's hope he can go.

Arthur


On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:04:23 -0700 "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
writes:
> 
> > Since he will in California 
> > through August and I am in Virginia was wondering if
> anyone 
> > on the west coast could sugges a few shows or events for
> him 
> > to attend.  He will be in Oceanside somewhere near San
> Deigo.
> 
> 
> Art,
> Is your buddy in California NOW?  
> 
> June 19, 20, 26, 27 is the show in Vista, about 7 miles
> inland 
> from Oceanside.  He couldn't have picked a better time to
> visit.  
> The address of the museum is 2040 N. Santa Fe.  
> http://www.agsem.com/
> 
> 
> 
> =-=-=-=-=-=
> Rob Skinner
> La Habra, California
> www.rustyiron.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun 15 05:59:44 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 08:59:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] RE: What's the Horsepower?  (Bessemer half-breed)
In-Reply-To: <028701c452ce$3967c8a0$0400a8c0@Dave>
References: <200406140033.i5E0Xbuw021366@newidea.atis.net>
	<028701c452ce$3967c8a0$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406150857010.94538@vegeta.city-net.com>

ROFLMAO!!!!  Cheeky sod!!  Tomorrow we drag Bessie up to Coolspring.
Hopefully being surrounded by all those other half-breeds will inspire her
to make some noise of her own.  Time will tell...  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 15 Jun 2004, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> > P.S.
> > C'mon, spill the beans!
> > How did the flywheel pull go today?
>
> Hi Rob, I have information that the HP of Arnie's Bessemer is still ZERO!
>     Dave


From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Tue Jun 15 06:18:00 2004
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:18:00 +0100
Subject: [SEL] RE: What's the Horsepower?  (Bessemer half-breed)
References: <200406140033.i5E0Xbuw021366@newidea.atis.net>
	<028701c452ce$3967c8a0$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <40CEF708.D0FEFA93@insulate.co.uk>

And I've got a MAYTAG which runs better than that!

Dolly

Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Hi Rob, I have information that the HP of Arnie's Bessemer is still ZERO!
>

--
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk




From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jun 15 07:42:21 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:42:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] RE: What's the Horsepower?  (Bessemer half-breed)
References: <200406140033.i5E0Xbuw021366@newidea.atis.net><028701c452ce$3967c8a0$0400a8c0@Dave>
	<40CEF708.D0FEFA93@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <03cd01c452e6$f794db20$0400a8c0@Dave>

That's NOT NICE!
    Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim French" <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: What's the Horsepower? (Bessemer half-breed)


> And I've got a MAYTAG which runs better than that!
>
> Dolly
>
> Dave Rotigel wrote:
>
> > Hi Rob, I have information that the HP of Arnie's Bessemer is still
ZERO!
> >
>
> --
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
>
>
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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Tue Jun 15 08:40:12 2004
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 16:40:12 +0100
Subject: [SEL] RE: What's the Horsepower?  (Bessemer half-breed)
References: <200406140033.i5E0Xbuw021366@newidea.atis.net><028701c452ce$3967c8a0$0400a8c0@Dave>
	<40CEF708.D0FEFA93@insulate.co.uk>
	<03cd01c452e6$f794db20$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <40CF185C.E3977F41@insulate.co.uk>



Dave Rotigel wrote:

> That's NOT NICE!

But true!

Dolly

--
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fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun 15 08:36:37 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:36:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer Half-Breed Patent Number
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406151134170.94538@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Does anyone happen to have handy the patent number for the Bessemer
half-breed?  I have the damn thing at home and THOUGHT I also had it here
at work.

If you don't have it handy, I can get it tonight.  Thanks.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From hugh.stannard at ntlworld.com  Tue Jun 15 10:24:41 2004
From: hugh.stannard at ntlworld.com (Hugh Stannard)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:24:41 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] British Engine show Rules / now waste of space
References: <000501c4520b$e2b5ce20$0101a8c0@nemesis>
Message-ID: <40CF30D9.000005.89063@DEFAULT>

On a different slant to this post, at English rallies the stationary engines
are usually the poor relation and as such, only get a small site on the
rally field and are usually cramped up in a compound. As a regular rally
attender I accept this fact and generally help out the engine marshalls by
keeping close up to the next exhibitor leaving enough space to get all the
other engine exhibitors into the allowed space. But there seem to be an
increasing number of so called "engine enthusiasts" who selfishly arrive
early and set up camp with numerous cars, caravans complete with awning for
one small (usually the cheapest) engine on the market and take up massive
amounts of room and then generally leave it alone all day and not even
attempt to run it. What we term as ticket engines. A way to get into the
rally for free!!

See http://community.webshots.com/album/152913114ivvZBy for an example. I am
going to take more photos during my rounds this season and put them in my
hall of shame. Is this just typical in England or do any other countries
suffer these selfish people? Maybe some-one with an engine related website
would like to host this "Hall of Shame"? Then we could all contribute
photographs of our experiences?

Lets see if this sparks off some comments!!

Regards,

Hugh Stannard,
Rushden, England.

 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: The SEL email discussion list
Date: 06/15/04 02:19:31
To: atis
Cc: oldengine
Subject: [SEL] British Engine show Rules
 
We have frequently discussed the different rules & ways of running an Engine
show
in our various countries.
I have posted the rules for our biggest engine show at
http://community.webshots.com/photo/152558084/152558982eXTBkD
(View full size to read)
Does anyone have a rules sheet from their own show for comparison?
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun 15 11:02:59 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:02:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] British Engine show Rules / now waste of space
In-Reply-To: <40CF30D9.000005.89063@DEFAULT>
References: <000501c4520b$e2b5ce20$0101a8c0@nemesis>
	<40CF30D9.000005.89063@DEFAULT>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406151356180.94538@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Hugh,

In the states show organizers simply wouldn't allow all that "empty green"
to go to waste.  They'd direct later arrivals to setup in that area and
fill it in.  Why don't the engine stewards do the same at English rallys?

It's also not the norm to have the campers (caravans) setup with the
engines.  Some shows do, but most have the campers in a different area.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 15 Jun 2004, Hugh Stannard wrote:

> On a different slant to this post, at English rallies the stationary engines
> are usually the poor relation and as such, only get a small site on the
> rally field and are usually cramped up in a compound. As a regular rally
> attender I accept this fact and generally help out the engine marshalls by
> keeping close up to the next exhibitor leaving enough space to get all the
> other engine exhibitors into the allowed space. But there seem to be an
> increasing number of so called "engine enthusiasts" who selfishly arrive
> early and set up camp with numerous cars, caravans complete with awning for
> one small (usually the cheapest) engine on the market and take up massive
> amounts of room and then generally leave it alone all day and not even
> attempt to run it. What we term as ticket engines. A way to get into the
> rally for free!!
>
> See http://community.webshots.com/album/152913114ivvZBy for an example.


From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Jun 15 13:04:10 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 16:04:10 EDT
Subject: [SEL] British Engine show Rules / now waste of space
Message-ID: <19a.25c975cd.2e00b03a@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/15/2004 2:18:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:

<< In the states show organizers simply wouldn't allow all that "empty green"
 to go to waste.  They'd direct later arrivals to setup in that area and
 fill it in. >>


Hugh,

Arnie is correct.  In your photo, the cars between the tent and camper would 
have been asked to move and allow another displayer to set up.  Two shows that 
I know of that allow campers and displays in the same area are Coolsprings, 
Pa., and Denton, NC., but they pack them in tight!  In the case of Denton, I do 
mean tight!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From hugh.stannard at ntlworld.com  Tue Jun 15 13:45:31 2004
From: hugh.stannard at ntlworld.com (Hugh Stannard)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 21:45:31 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] British Engine show Rules / now waste of space
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406151356180.94538@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <40CF5FEB.000007.89063@DEFAULT>

 Hi Arnie,

These guys usually turn up before an engine steward arrives. They set up and
take up all the room they like. The engine stewards are all volunteers, and
they are there to enjoy the weekend not have confrontations with stroppy 
engine enthusiasts" who dig their heels in when told to move their excess
stuff so 9 times out 10 the engine steward will not bother trying to get
them to move. When the other engine folk arrive there is no room to put
their camping equipment behind the engine so they squeeze in where there is
a gap. The majority of the rallies over here have camping behind your engine


Regards,

Hugh.
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: The SEL email discussion list
Date: 06/15/04 19:56:14
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] British Engine show Rules / now waste of space
 
Hi Hugh,
 
In the states show organizers simply wouldn't allow all that "empty green"
to go to waste. They'd direct later arrivals to setup in that area and
fill it in. Why don't the engine stewards do the same at English rallys?
 
It's also not the norm to have the campers (caravans) setup with the
engines. Some shows do, but most have the campers in a different area.
 
See ya, Arnie
 
Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com
 
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004, Hugh Stannard wrote:
 
> On a different slant to this post, at English rallies the stationary
engines
> are usually the poor relation and as such, only get a small site on the
> rally field and are usually cramped up in a compound. As a regular rally
> attender I accept this fact and generally help out the engine marshalls by
> keeping close up to the next exhibitor leaving enough space to get all the
> other engine exhibitors into the allowed space. But there seem to be an
> increasing number of so called "engine enthusiasts" who selfishly arrive
> early and set up camp with numerous cars, caravans complete with awning
for
> one small (usually the cheapest) engine on the market and take up massive
> amounts of room and then generally leave it alone all day and not even
> attempt to run it. What we term as ticket engines. A way to get into the
> rally for free!!
>
> See http://community.webshots.com/album/152913114ivvZBy for an example.
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From BillMil357 at aol.com  Tue Jun 15 14:08:19 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:08:19 EDT
Subject: [SEL] 2004 SIAM pictures.
Message-ID: <1db.2409e255.2e00bf43@aol.com>

Hey List Members,

Click below and you can see the SIAM pictures I put on Webshots, be nice to 
me for this is the first time I have put any pictures up here. There are 2 
pages of them.

http://community.webshots.com/user/billmil357

Thanks,

Bill Miller.


From andyglines at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 15 14:05:37 2004
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:05:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] RE Lauson parts
Message-ID: <BAY19-F13VwcdZ06YO40003a9b2@hotmail.com>

try John Smith
jks at frontiernet.net

>    3. Lauson gaskets needed (Bill Dickerson)
>Message: 3
>Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:35:31 -0500
>From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Lauson gaskets needed
>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'"
>	<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <000001c4523e$699cf300$32a8a8c0 at LOFFICE>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
>Air cooled from 40's or 50's.
>55AB-609
>5172328
>
>The little green one about 1 horse or so as used on reel mowers, etc.
>Need all gaskets.
>The local dudes can't even look 'em up any more, and simply don't want to
>try.
>
>Bill
>Sunny hot and wet Iowa
>
>

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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Tue Jun 15 14:54:23 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:54:23 +0200
Subject: [SEL] 2004 SIAM pictures.
References: <1db.2409e255.2e00bf43@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c45323$520cd530$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Thanks for sharing the pics Bill, saw  the well known SEL
members and they all look good, there engines too.
Didn't know Dave sells Maytag skids for extra pocket money :o)

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl



> Hey List Members,
> 
> Click below and you can see the SIAM pictures I put on Webshots, be nice to 
> me for this is the first time I have put any pictures up here. There are 2 
> pages of them.
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/user/billmil357
> 
> Thanks,
> Bill Miller.




From BillMil357 at aol.com  Tue Jun 15 15:13:20 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:13:20 EDT
Subject: [SEL] 2004 SIAM Pictures with easier to use Web addresss
Message-ID: <4e.2cf65385.2e00ce80@aol.com>

Hey List Members,

Click below and you can see the SIAM pictures I put on Webshots, be nice to 
me for this is the first time I have put any pictures up here. There are 2 
Pages of them.

This Web address will be easier to use.

http://community.webshots.com/user/billmil357

Thanks,

Bill Miller.


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun 15 15:30:24 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:30:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] British Engine show Rules / now waste of space
In-Reply-To: <40CF5FEB.000007.89063@DEFAULT>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406151356180.94538@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<40CF5FEB.000007.89063@DEFAULT>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406151749290.97352@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Hugh,

Huh.  On this side of the pond the "engine stewards" are also volunteers
who like to enjoy the show.  However when some stroppy asshole needs to be
sorted out and shown the error of his ways, the old adage "there's
strength in numbers" enters the picture.  The engine steward would return
to "reason" with the bloke accompanied by a number of large engine
friends.  Somewhere there's a pic of Dolly with Leroy, Ted, and Rick Monk
that shows you that "size matters."

Even lacking engine stewards who have balls, the other engine folks who
needed a place to set up their display would soon fill in all that open
space.  If the goofball who was trying to hog all the open green space had
a problem with that he would either be told to piss off or take it to the
head of the show.

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 15 Jun 2004, Hugh Stannard wrote:

> These guys usually turn up before an engine steward arrives. They set up and
> take up all the room they like. The engine stewards are all volunteers, and
> they are there to enjoy the weekend not have confrontations with stroppy
> engine enthusiasts" who dig their heels in when told to move their excess
> stuff so 9 times out 10 the engine steward will not bother trying to get
> them to move. When the other engine folk arrive there is no room to put
> their camping equipment behind the engine so they squeeze in where there is
> a gap. The majority of the rallies over here have camping behind your engine


From kerogas at the-i.net  Tue Jun 15 15:55:17 2004
From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:55:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: diesel exhaust smell
Message-ID: <007501c4532b$d40c6de0$be02fea9@oemcomputer>

What does peanut oil smell like .
Rudy did his original experiments with that 



From kerogas at the-i.net  Tue Jun 15 15:59:15 2004
From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:59:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] British Engine show Rules / now waste of space
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406151356180.94538@vegeta.city-net.com><40CF5FEB.000007.89063@DEFAULT>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406151749290.97352@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <009b01c4532c$63474ca0$be02fea9@oemcomputer>

 engine folks who
> needed a place to set up their display would soon fill in all that open
> space.  If the goofball who was trying to hog all the open green space had
> a problem with that he would either be told to piss off or take it to the
> head of the show.


I have rolled right up under that empty canopy ,  stabbed a  lawnchair in
the ground
gas up and plunk down  in the shade . Maybe its my personality but I never
 caught any crap from a  goofball . SHade yes , crap no .  Communal living !



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jun 15 16:11:51 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:11:51 +0100
Subject: [SEL] 2004 SIAM pictures.
References: <1db.2409e255.2e00bf43@aol.com>
	<001b01c45323$520cd530$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <000801c4532e$24588ac0$0101a8c0@nemesis>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 2004 SIAM pictures.


> Thanks for sharing the pics Bill, saw  the well known SEL
> members and they all look good, there engines too.
> Didn't know Dave sells Maytag skids for extra pocket money :o)
> John Hammink

Hey John, I was just doing the artwork for that one & you beat me to it!
Dave Croft
Warrington
England



From alanb2 at webtv.net  Tue Jun 15 17:23:36 2004
From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:23:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] British Engine show Rules / now waste of space
In-Reply-To: "Hugh Stannard" <hugh.stannard@ntlworld.com>'s message of Tue,
	15 Jun 2004 18:24:41 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Message-ID: <22112-40CF9308-1120@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net>

Hi Hugh,

At the Buckley, Michigan U.S. of A. show last year there was a very long
motor home taking up a lot of space and all we ever saw was a little mid
40s Briggs & Stratton sitting in front of it.

If it shows up again his year I am thinking about gathering up a group
of guys and drawing straws to see who paints that Briggs pink and tapes
a sign to the door that says something like "Space Hog," on it.

Alan Bowen

~~~~Hugh?Stannard wrote~~~

On a different slant to this post, at English rallies the stationary
engines are usually the poor relation and as such, only get a small site
on the rally field and are usually cramped up in a compound. As a
regular rally attender I accept this fact and generally help out the
engine marshalls by keeping close up to the next exhibitor leaving
enough space to get all the other engine exhibitors into the allowed
space. But there seem to be an increasing number of so called "engine
enthusiasts" who selfishly arrive early and set up camp with numerous
cars, caravans complete with awning for one small (usually the cheapest)
engine on the market and take up massive amounts of room and then
generally leave it alone all day and not even attempt to run it. What we
term as ticket engines. A way to get into the rally for free!! 
See http://community.webshots.com/album/152913114ivvZBy
 for an example. I am going to take more photos during my rounds this
season and put them in my hall of shame. Is this just typical in England
or do any other countries suffer these selfish people? Maybe some-one
with an engine related website would like to host this "Hall of Shame"?
Then we could all contribute photographs of our experiences? 
Lets see if this sparks off some comments!! 
Regards, 
Hugh Stannard,
Rushden, England. 




From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Jun 15 18:33:19 2004
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 1:33:19 +0000
Subject: [SEL] 2004 SIAM pictures.
Message-ID: <36u636$q5hun@mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net>


Good job on the engine pictures Bill. How's the Powerstroke working out?
J.B. Castagnos



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Jun 15 19:17:44 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 22:17:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: diesel exhaust smell
In-Reply-To: <007501c4532b$d40c6de0$be02fea9@oemcomputer>
References: <007501c4532b$d40c6de0$be02fea9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <5A6B0152-BF3B-11D8-A875-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Not his original experiments (which were done with gasoline), but he 
did use peanut and other oils.

On Jun 15, 2004, at 6:55 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote:

> What does peanut oil smell like .
> Rudy did his original experiments with that

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From ELIDAS at aol.com  Tue Jun 15 19:47:08 2004
From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 22:47:08 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring
Message-ID: <99.4845fd23.2e010eac@aol.com>

   I've found that I can make Coolspring this year. Where is the list group 
located? Think there will be any room for a small camper Friday morning?
 Mike Semanoff
 Waterbury Ct


From BillMil357 at aol.com  Tue Jun 15 20:35:02 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:35:02 EDT
Subject: [SEL] 2004 SIAM pictures.
Message-ID: <1cf.239d9710.2e0119e6@aol.com>

Hey JB.

Thanks on the pictures, my Powerstroke engine is running fine since I put in 
the IPR O-ring kit, but the E40d tranny is giving me a little trouble, the 
Overdrive light comes on once in a while, I don't know if it is the Tranny or 
Tork converter. I have a friend that has some EASE diagnostic software and I am 
going to get him to check it for any codes. I drove my 1985 IDI diesel up in 
IN. to the engine show over the weekend and she run like a charm, that is the 
one I put the new engine in. Have you been doing OK?

See ya.

Bill Miller.


From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jun 15 21:00:14 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:00:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: diesel exhaust smell
In-Reply-To: <5A6B0152-BF3B-11D8-A875-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <002f01c45356$75cae2e0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

We use peanut oil in the WOK. It's a neutral sort of smell to me.......

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:18 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: diesel exhaust smell


Not his original experiments (which were done with gasoline), but he 
did use peanut and other oils.

On Jun 15, 2004, at 6:55 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote:

> What does peanut oil smell like .
> Rudy did his original experiments with that

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA

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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jun 15 21:12:12 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:12:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring
References: <99.4845fd23.2e010eac@aol.com>
Message-ID: <03ee01c45358$199be0d0$0400a8c0@Dave>

Should be enough room Mike. I set the List space up earlier today. We are in
row 2 at the end near the trees. Arnie and I should be there Friday by 9:00
or so. Ask Jake Faith if you have any questions.
    Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ELIDAS at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:47 PM
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring


>    I've found that I can make Coolspring this year. Where is the list
group
> located? Think there will be any room for a small camper Friday morning?
>  Mike Semanoff
>  Waterbury Ct
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Jun 16 00:48:43 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:48:43 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 2004 SIAM pictures.
In-Reply-To: <1db.2409e255.2e00bf43@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200406160757.i5G7vAOK002509@newidea.atis.net>

Nice pictures Bill. A nice display of engines. How come Dave always seems to
have a drink in his hand? I hope it was beer ;)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----
Hey List Members,

Click below and you can see the SIAM pictures I put on Webshots, be nice to 
me for this is the first time I have put any pictures up here. There are 2 
pages of them.

http://community.webshots.com/user/billmil357

Thanks,

Bill Miller.




From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Wed Jun 16 06:28:44 2004
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:28:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Novo/London pictures
References: <BAY14-F13e7vAtmOzLT0008e33a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <40D04B0B.BDE97165@wightman.ca>

Hi Grant,

London engines that I have seen have different casting numbers than found on Novo engines. On the connecting rod on my
London, there is a maple leaf cast into the rod.
I will check out mine when I get back. I am leaving for Georgia this afternoon for my sister's wedding and should be back
around by Monday. I will check when I get back.

Duncan

Grant Weir wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>    I finally got some pictures taken of my new treasure:
>
> http://groups.msn.com/GrantsOldTractorGoodies/newengine.msnw?albumlist=2
>
>    From the info Arnie sent me (thanks!), it looks like it is a 3HP Novo
> engine.  If it is not a Novo, then it is some form of knock-off thereof.
> One thing I am sure of is that it is very heavy - this thing will need a
> cart very soon! :-)
>
>    I did manage to find the serial number - stamped plain-as-day on the
> bottom edge of the water hopper is "C5967" and also on one end of the
> crankshaft is stamped "5967" - neat!   This number does not jive with any
> Novo serial number lists I found on the net.  Something else that is a bit
> different is is that the valves are not housed in "cages" like the Novo
> brochure shows, but are actually more "normal" in that the seats are built
> right into the cylinder casting.  Less "normal" is the fact that the only
> way to access them is through two big threaded holes into the top of the
> combustion chamber way down in the water hopper.  The threaded holes are
> plugged with big ugly taper-threaded, NPT-looking plug-things.  They look
> well sealed now, but I'll bet their a real hassle to get "re-sealed" once
> I've removed them for valve repair.  Part of the fun I guess.  One positive
> point to the water hopper being all broken away like it is will be the
> easier to access to the valves.  Yipee!  :-)
>
>    I have never seen a Novo engine up close before so I do not know, but...
> does the round top of the water hopper unbolt from the rest of the engine?
> This engine I have is missing the top part of the water hopper.   This seems
> different to a Novo too as all the pictures of Novo's I have seen look like
> the top of the water hopper is cast right in.  My engine seems more like
> this picture of a London I found on Duncan & Sandy Denman's website at the
> "Canadian Show Engine Patch":
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/page39.html
>
>    Well, that's all I know about this subject for now.  This little gem will
> have to sit on the back-burner for a while anyway as my little 18' x 26'
> garage/shop is currently home to two disassembled antique tractors, eight or
> ten stationary engines, half a kitchen and several bags of little league
> baseball equipment.   It's getting to be a bit of a squeeze - I guess I'd
> better get that darn ball equipment out of there!  :-)
>
> Grant Weir
> Saskatoon, SK.
> Canada
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jun 16 04:46:22 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:46:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 2004 SIAM Pictures with easier to use Web addresss
References: <4e.2cf65385.2e00ce80@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV68QVuRWCy7r0001dc9f@hotmail.com>

Great job, Bill!!  Jus put 'er on slideshow and sat back with a cup of java 
and enjoyed immensely!!
  Thank you and atta boys to you all!

later,
RickinMt with a partially crashed 'puter.





> This Web address will be easier to use.
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/billmil357
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Miller.
> _______________________________________________ 


From klbandy at dtccom.net  Wed Jun 16 10:01:56 2004
From: klbandy at dtccom.net (klbandy at dtccom.net)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:01:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Franklin, TN show this weekend
Message-ID: <245480-22004631617156798@M2W033.mail2web.com>

Anyone have info on the show at Franklin.  I've forgotten the exact
location.  I was told earlier, but you know how it goes...

Thanks.

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From christison at coastalnet.com  Wed Jun 16 10:44:37 2004
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:44:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Franklin, TN show this weekend
References: <245480-22004631617156798@M2W033.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <002801c453c9$9949d0a0$0100a8c0@mshome.net>

Kevin,

Check this page: http://tinyurl.com/23ma2

Take care.

Ken
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <klbandy at dtccom.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:01 PM
Subject: [SEL] Franklin, TN show this weekend


> Anyone have info on the show at Franklin.  I've forgotten the exact
> location.  I was told earlier, but you know how it goes...
> 
> Thanks.



From klbandy at dtccom.net  Wed Jun 16 15:42:50 2004
From: klbandy at dtccom.net (Kevin Bandy)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:42:50 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Franklin, TN show this weekend
Message-ID: <000601c453f3$41b425a0$01f76b0c@kevin>

Thanks for the info!  Exactly what I needed.

Kevin

From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us  Wed Jun 16 14:37:32 2004
From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:37:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SIAM Pics
Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A72022CB@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>

Bill,

Great pictures! Thanks for making the available for us. First time or not, you done good!!

Bruce Younger
Lenexa, Kansas USA
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 17 05:23:44 2004
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:23:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need muffler picked up @ Cool Spring
Message-ID: <BAY12-F113G6A5ISwoR0006856c@hotmail.com>




>If any one has contact with the SEL group at Cool Spring, would you please 
>relay to Curt Holland  that Dave Deardorf  possibly has a muffler for me I 
>would like transported home to N.C. Thanks, I wish I were there instead of 
>here at work! Steve Royster

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From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Thu Jun 17 06:54:33 2004
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:54:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need muffler picked up @ Cool Spring
In-Reply-To: <BAY12-F113G6A5ISwoR0006856c@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY12-F113G6A5ISwoR0006856c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040617085357.02c0b160@mail.herculesengines.com>

I'm heading out this afternoon and will be there tomorrow.  I'll let Curt know.
Keith


At 07:23 AM 6/17/2004, you wrote:



>>If any one has contact with the SEL group at Cool Spring, would you 
>>please relay to Curt Holland  that Dave Deardorf  possibly has a muffler 
>>for me I would like transported home to N.C. Thanks, I wish I were there 
>>instead of here at work! Steve Royster
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Jun 18 05:56:14 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 06:56:14 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Aaarrghh
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV90PYz1NHZVU0002019d@hotmail.com>

I'm dying!!!! Where's my mornin' FIX?????

  On a lighter note,, I found a magnet recharger made by Allen...purdy 
healthy little unit.

Headed for the Webster..

RickinMt.

http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 


From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 17 10:33:26 2004
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:33:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need muffler picked up @ Cool Spring
Message-ID: <BAY12-F109JUOjQFONR00068e5f@hotmail.com>

Thank you Keith, I think my brother told him about it berore your show last 
weekend but I'm just double checking. I appreciate your help  and I'll miss 
you guys this year at C S. See you at Portland, Thanks again, Steve


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>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Need muffler picked up @ Cool Spring
>Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:54:33 -0500
>
>I'm heading out this afternoon and will be there tomorrow.  I'll let Curt 
>know.
>Keith
>
>
>At 07:23 AM 6/17/2004, you wrote:
>
>
>
>>>If any one has contact with the SEL group at Cool Spring, would you 
>>>please relay to Curt Holland  that Dave Deardorf  possibly has a muffler 
>>>for me I would like transported home to N.C. Thanks, I wish I were there 
>>>instead of here at work! Steve Royster
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From asouth at strato.net  Thu Jun 17 19:35:12 2004
From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:35:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] British Engine show Rules / now waste of space
References: <19a.25c975cd.2e00b03a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00fb01c454dc$e2280b70$8700a8c0@ARTHUR>

Hugh,

Arnie is correct.  In your photo, the cars between the tent and camper would 
have been asked to move and allow another displayer to set up.  Two shows that 
I know of that allow campers and displays in the same area are Coolsprings, 
Pa., and Denton, NC., but they pack them in tight!  In the case of Denton, I do 
mean tight!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


Zolfo Springs Fla. Pioneer Park Days  allows camping with engines. Fla. Flywheelers , Ft. Meade Fla., allow camping with the engines. 

My 2 cents.

Arthur Southwell
Arcadia, FL  USA
asouth at strato.net

From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jun 19 01:43:42 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 18:43:42 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Stover YB/YC Parts
Message-ID: <200406191951.i5JJosdD022862@newidea.atis.net>

I am getting some Stover YB/YC parts cast this week. Both the upper and
lower exhaust rockers and the speed control parts. If anyone needs these let
me know soon and I will at to the order.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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From BillMil357 at aol.com  Sun Jun 20 18:22:16 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:22:16 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Electrical Problem, Way-Way-Way OT.
Message-ID: <d5.f95ebea.2e079248@aol.com>

Hey Guy's and Gal's;

I know there are some good electrician's and electrical Engineers on this 
list and Your OLE engine buddy has a problem I have some electric light dimmer 
controls on lights down at my church and they are made by Hunter Electronics, 
Dallas, Texas and I was wondering if any of you had worked on these controls or 
would have a wiring diagram for them, The top control number is MC 50 and the 
bottom control number is PC 20 LR. This set of lights would only burn about 
half brightness, and when I would turn the rheostat one place the lights got a 
little brighter and I could hear the pot humming, like arcing so I put a jumper 
wire across from the center terminal to one outside terminal and the lights 
got good and bright, and there is another rheostat on the same shaft that has 
never been used, how can I determine if it is the right size to work if I 
switch my wires over to it, this rheostat just had 3 wires run over to the terminal 
board and ended there. These controls are about 35 years old and Hunter Is no 
longer in business and the controls just look brand new when you take the 
covers off and no burned wires or anything, I would sure like to have a wiring 
diag. and some technical help. I have several pictures on my Webshots page that 
will give you a lot better idea of what is going on. I will also list my 
E-mail address so you can write off list.

http://community.webshots.com/user/billmil357

Thanks,

Bill Miller.
billmil357 at aol.com


From syost at triad.rr.com  Sun Jun 20 18:59:49 2004
From: syost at triad.rr.com (Spencer Yost)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:59:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] System Outage
Message-ID: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com>

The note I sent last Thursday about the new ATIS system and an update to my
professional situation was sent literally less than an hour before the
server that ran ATIS lost the only drive (boot drive) that wasn't on a RAID
array.   The ATIS server was sold as part of my business last month with
the clause in the business separation agreement that Piedmont Systems
continue to host ATIS until the end of June.  Fortunately I was called in
to consult with them and help restore the server.   Found out they had no
backups after I left )-;

Long story short:   A couple of long days with a Partition and MBR editing
utility saved the data but not the drive.   The old system came backup
yesterday.   But since I was no longer going to trust the old server and
the care and administration it was getting I went ahead and initiated the
changes to DNS last Friday to start the switch to the new equipment.   That
is why still tonight some people are having trouble.  DNS is still
propagating.  Thanks God the folks at Road Runner came early for me.   They
weren't supposed to install my business class service until Saturday.  This
saved us quite a bit of time.   At least ATIS will be back up, mostly, by
tomorrow morning.

Thanks for your patience and more to come later,

PS  The OFES, Ford-Ferguson, and Steam-engine lists are still down as are
several web based utilities at ATIS.   I will continue to work to restore
services without stop or break

PSS  Happy Father's day to all the father's out there!


Spencer



From pmaples at anaxis.net  Sun Jun 20 19:58:16 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:58:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] System Outage
References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com>
Message-ID: <009701c4573b$9cb7ba70$ccf70cd1@VAIO>

Thanks Spencer for all of your dedication and hard work to keep the SEL up
an running, I cannot even fathom what this all involves but know it exceeds
my capabilities so I am grateful for someone such as you whose
professionalism and commitment is second to none.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Spencer Yost" <syost at triad.rr.com>
To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
<farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com>;
<antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 8:59 PM
Subject: [SEL] System Outage


> The note I sent last Thursday about the new ATIS system and an update to
my
> professional situation was sent literally less than an hour before the
> server that ran ATIS lost the only drive (boot drive) that wasn't on a
RAID
> array.   The ATIS server was sold as part of my business last month with
> the clause in the business separation agreement that Piedmont Systems
> continue to host ATIS until the end of June.  Fortunately I was called in
> to consult with them and help restore the server.   Found out they had no
> backups after I left )-;
>
> Long story short:   A couple of long days with a Partition and MBR editing
> utility saved the data but not the drive.   The old system came backup
> yesterday.   But since I was no longer going to trust the old server and
> the care and administration it was getting I went ahead and initiated the
> changes to DNS last Friday to start the switch to the new equipment.
That
> is why still tonight some people are having trouble.  DNS is still
> propagating.  Thanks God the folks at Road Runner came early for me.
They
> weren't supposed to install my business class service until Saturday.
This
> saved us quite a bit of time.   At least ATIS will be back up, mostly, by
> tomorrow morning.
>
> Thanks for your patience and more to come later,
>
> PS  The OFES, Ford-Ferguson, and Steam-engine lists are still down as are
> several web based utilities at ATIS.   I will continue to work to restore
> services without stop or break
>
> PSS  Happy Father's day to all the father's out there!
>
>
> Spencer
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 20 22:31:58 2004
From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:31:58 +1000
Subject: FW: [SEL] System Outage
Message-ID: <BAY2-F75n4BiiCeKJ3L00019dc7@hotmail.com>


Dave,
       Got this today.


Lyndsay





>From: "Spencer Yost" <syost at triad.rr.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com,   
>farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com,   
>antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com
>Subject: [SEL] System Outage
>Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:59:49 -0400
>
>The note I sent last Thursday about the new ATIS system and an update to my
>professional situation was sent literally less than an hour before the
>server that ran ATIS lost the only drive (boot drive) that wasn't on a RAID
>array.   The ATIS server was sold as part of my business last month with
>the clause in the business separation agreement that Piedmont Systems
>continue to host ATIS until the end of June.  Fortunately I was called in
>to consult with them and help restore the server.   Found out they had no
>backups after I left )-;
>
>Long story short:   A couple of long days with a Partition and MBR editing
>utility saved the data but not the drive.   The old system came backup
>yesterday.   But since I was no longer going to trust the old server and
>the care and administration it was getting I went ahead and initiated the
>changes to DNS last Friday to start the switch to the new equipment.   That
>is why still tonight some people are having trouble.  DNS is still
>propagating.  Thanks God the folks at Road Runner came early for me.   They
>weren't supposed to install my business class service until Saturday.  This
>saved us quite a bit of time.   At least ATIS will be back up, mostly, by
>tomorrow morning.
>
>Thanks for your patience and more to come later,
>
>PS  The OFES, Ford-Ferguson, and Steam-engine lists are still down as are
>several web based utilities at ATIS.   I will continue to work to restore
>services without stop or break
>
>PSS  Happy Father's day to all the father's out there!
>
>
>Spencer
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jun 21 00:12:55 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:12:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fw: [Min_Int_Comb_Eng] jay peters/breisch associated
Message-ID: <006d01c4575f$30bb2fe0$05111bd3@athlon>

I got  this from Tom Ball today and felt it needed to be passed on.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: STB440 at aol.com 
To: randmingold at hotkey.net.au 
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 10:40 AM
Subject: Fwd: Fw: [Min_Int_Comb_Eng] jay peters/breisch associated


Hi Reg !

Thought you might be interested in this email that I recieved.

Tom

From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Jun 21 01:04:59 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:04:59 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fw: [Min_Int_Comb_Eng] jay peters/breisch associated
References: <006d01c4575f$30bb2fe0$05111bd3@athlon>
Message-ID: <001f01c45766$73865280$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Hi Reg, what is the message?

John H.


I got  this from Tom Ball today and felt it needed to be passed on.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: STB440 at aol.com 
To: randmingold at hotkey.net.au 
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 10:40 AM
Subject: Fwd: Fw: [Min_Int_Comb_Eng] jay peters/breisch associated


Hi Reg !

Thought you might be interested in this email that I recieved.

Tom




From wmrohrer at myactv.net  Sat Jun 19 03:14:14 2004
From: wmrohrer at myactv.net (Mike Rohrer)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 06:14:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] TEST
Message-ID: <200406211114.i5LBEJXK027253@heavyiron.atis.net>

Is the list down? NO mail the last 2 days

This is just a test.

Mike

 

Mike Rohrer

Smithsburg, Maryland USA

Collector of Antique Farm Literature

Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/

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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Jun 21 04:26:36 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:26:36 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring.
Message-ID: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Wonder how it ended.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Arnie'sBreath.jpg

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl

PS. @ photo by Bill Tremel.




From stait at winsoft.net.au  Mon Jun 21 05:13:29 2004
From: stait at winsoft.net.au (Stait)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:13:29 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test.
Message-ID: <001c01c45789$38069cb0$581131cb@Bear>

Hi all. 
Just a test .



From pmaples at anaxis.net  Mon Jun 21 06:30:25 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:30:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fw: [Min_Int_Comb_Eng] jay peters/breisch associated
References: <006d01c4575f$30bb2fe0$05111bd3@athlon>
Message-ID: <006d01c45793$ec52b9b0$e3f70cd1@VAIO>

Reg there was nothing in the attachment, did you leave out something?

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "List SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 2:12 AM
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fw: [Min_Int_Comb_Eng] jay peters/breisch associated


I got  this from Tom Ball today and felt it needed to be passed on.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: STB440 at aol.com
To: randmingold at hotkey.net.au
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 10:40 AM
Subject: Fwd: Fw: [Min_Int_Comb_Eng] jay peters/breisch associated


Hi Reg !

Thought you might be interested in this email that I recieved.

Tom


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From mickc at vic.australis.com.au  Sun Jun 20 19:10:35 2004
From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Michael Christie)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:10:35 +1000
Subject: [SEL] new photos
Message-ID: <002f01c45734$f3502bd0$5da557ca@andrewiowlw0rj>


G'day All
I have added some more pictures to my webshot page of some engines i have
acquired and finished off in the last 6 months and thought you all might
like to have a look.
   Cheers
        Mick

http://community.webshots.com/album/143394803IRIBri

Mick Christie
Victoria, Australia
mickc at vic.australis.com.au








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From mickc at vic.australis.com.au  Sun Jun 20 19:12:17 2004
From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Michael Christie)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:12:17 +1000
Subject: [SEL] new photos
Message-ID: <004001c45735$2db3d560$5da557ca@andrewiowlw0rj>


 G'day All
 I have added some more pictures to my webshot page of some engines i have
acquired and finished off in the last 6 months and thought you all might
 like to have a look.
    Cheers
        Mick

 http://community.webshots.com/album/143394803IRIBri

 Mick Christie
 Victoria, Australia
 mickc at vic.australis.com.au




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jun 21 07:47:07 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:47:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring.
In-Reply-To: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi John,

Bessie's Coolspring outing was great even if she didn't do more than chuff
a bit.  A large gang (Craig Prucha, Paul Grey, Dallas Cox, Bill Tremel,
and me) all got our morning exercise pulling and tromping the flywheels.
Despite all the creative suggestions and adjustments, the lack of
compression just couldn't be overcome.  Saturday morning I removed the
cylinder and piston and sent those home with Craig.  He'll bore the
cylinder, order new rings, and flame spray the piston if needed.  Next
year she'll be amazing.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, John Hammink wrote:

> Wonder how it ended.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Arnie'sBreath.jpg



From mickc at vic.australis.com.au  Mon Jun 21 01:50:27 2004
From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Michael Christie)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:50:27 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test only
Message-ID: <000e01c4576c$cd75cb30$a9a557ca@andrewiowlw0rj>









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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Mon Jun 21 08:27:45 2004
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:27:45 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring.
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <40D6FE70.AB374410@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Arnie

Arnie Fero wrote:

>   Next
> year she'll be amazing.  8-))

The Yank Returns Again (2002) will be finished, The Yank Returns Yet Again
(2004) will also be complete, and those keen on firearms sports will be
shooting pigs out of the sky from their lawn chairs.

Dolly

PS  See you Wednesday!
--
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jun 21 09:12:58 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:12:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring & Beyond...
In-Reply-To: <40D6FE70.AB374410@insulate.co.uk>
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<40D6FE70.AB374410@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211159420.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Dolly,

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Jim French wrote:

> > Arnie Fero wrote:
> > Next year she'll be amazing.  8-))
>
> The Yank Returns Again (2002) will be finished, The Yank Returns Yet Again
> (2004) will also be complete, and those keen on firearms sports will be
> shooting pigs out of the sky from their lawn chairs.

Well since the only remaining key activity for Bessie is in Craig's
capable hands, I think we can take THAT promise to the bank.  8-))

As to TYRA (2002) and TYRYA (2004), there's been a rumour that supplies of
food and beer may be tied to page production rates...  Watch this space
for further developments.

> PS  See you Wednesday!

Bright-eyed, bushy-tailed, and sassy as ever!!  8-)))))

See ya,  Arnie

PS - When shooting flying pigs from a lawn chair does one use #2 shot or
move up to buckshot?  8-))

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com



From mtucker at uky.edu  Mon Jun 21 09:13:09 2004
From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:13:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring. NOW: Cylinder boring
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <p06020403bcfcb6b90b7f@[128.163.81.76]>

>  He'll bore the cylinder, order new rings, and flame spray the 
>piston if needed.

I didn't realize that NOT putting in an oversized piston in when you 
bored the cylinder was an option.  Does it depend on how much (or 
little, in this case) that you bore the cylinder before you decide 
what to do with the piston?  I thought that if you bored the cylinder 
and left the original piston you would get a fair amount of piston 
skirt slap.  Why not just try a new set of rings to see if that will 
get her running before you (or Craig) go through the trouble of 
boring the cylinder?

>Next year she'll be amazing.  8-))

Oh PLLLEEEAAASE!  How long have you had Bessie?  Is this the first 
time that you noticed that she didn't have enough compression to run 
or are you just using that as an excuse to cover up the fact that 
ANOTHER deadline has come and gone with no results! :-)))

See ya',
Mike
-- 
____________________
Michael Tucker
Midway, Kentucky, USA
mtucker at uky.edu
____________________


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jun 21 09:55:08 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:55:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring. NOW: Cylinder boring
In-Reply-To: <p06020403bcfcb6b90b7f@[128.163.81.76]>
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<p06020403bcfcb6b90b7f@[128.163.81.76]>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211243260.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Mike,

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Michael Tucker wrote:

> I didn't realize that NOT putting in an oversized piston in when you
> bored the cylinder was an option.  Does it depend on how much (or
> little, in this case) that you bore the cylinder before you decide
> what to do with the piston?

I think the amount you need to remove is clearly a factor.  Perhaps as
Craig reads this he can offer some comments from his experience.

> I thought that if you bored the cylinder
> and left the original piston you would get a fair amount of piston
> skirt slap.

The situation is a bit different in an engine that has a cross-head.
I think you don't have the side forces with changing con rod angle that
lead to piston slap.

> Why not just try a new set of rings to see if that will
> get her running before you (or Craig) go through the trouble of
> boring the cylinder?

I thought about that.  And decided against it.  There's a bit of sadness
at the bottom of the bore (between the intake ports and the head) where it
looks like water was sitting for a LONG time.  I'll let Craig make the
final call on the bore, but I think he agrees with me that she'll be much
better off with having that bore cleaned up.

> Oh PLLLEEEAAASE!  How long have you had Bessie?  Is this the first
> time that you noticed that she didn't have enough compression to run
> or are you just using that as an excuse to cover up the fact that
> ANOTHER deadline has come and gone with no results! :-)))

Actually, the lack of compression was noticed last summer when I first
tried to get her started.  This summer I again pulled the piston and was
gonna measure the bore & piston for new rings.  It was during that
inspection that I decided against new rings without a cylinder bore.

As to deadlines....  Have you been talking to Dolly?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie


From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Mon Jun 21 10:13:20 2004
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:13:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
References: <BCF132E1.5426%gwwny@verizon.net><00bb01c45161$a8bfb4b0$f2f70cd1@VAIO><001701c45186$b86f83c0$911117d1@net.telenet.net>
	<008401c45197$d8151b70$d4f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <053401c457b3$0de2daf0$0301a8c0@ALEC>

Paul,
 I have been away fro the PC for 12 days, Sorry I didnt see this earlier,
 I drove by there on my way home from Coolsprings,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 Its 195 miles from my house, sorry, Good luck with it,
 Maybe offer her an extra 25 bucks if its not picked up by 8-15-04, or that
she can leave it outside till then or that it is hers after that
date????????????????????

Alec J. Stevens
Investment Specialist
80 Leighton Road, Suite C
Falmouth, ME 04105
(800)842-6669
(207)797-5169
(207)797-2819
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help


> Thanks Steve for the response. I ask the lady if she would extend me any
> grace on the pickup time and she let me know in a hurry that once it was
> sold I had 10 days to get it and that was that. She told me that she had
> been burned in the past by telling folks she could hold something for
awhile
> and then she ended up be a storage facility.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 3:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
>
>
> > 135 miles one way for me Paul. It's a shame it has a time limit. I go
> > out to Springfield for the Big E but that is a ways away yet.
> >
> >
> > Steve Williams
> > Near Cooperstown NY
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> >
> >
> > > Folks I done something I am good at and that is show my ignorance. I
> > had
> > > stated in a previous list that the corn cutter I am looking for
> > > transportation for was in Ashfield, Maryland as I assumed that the
> > state
> > > abbreviation Ma was Maryland. My good friend George Woodzell, who is
> > > obviously more educated that I aptly pointed out to me that Ma is
> > > Massachusetts, not Maryland. So if any of you folks live near
> > Ashfield, Mass
> > > and could pick the cutter up and store it for me until I can arrange
> > > transportation to Portland I would appreciate it. It will easily fit
> > in the
> > > back of any pickup and as I have said before you could probably put
> > tow or
> > > three in the back of a normal pickup. Any help would be greatly
> > appreciated.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "George Woodzell" <gwwny at verizon.net>
> > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 9:23 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi, Paul!
> > > >
> > > > I'm in Schenectady, New York - near Albany. If this unit of yours
> > will fit
> > > > in the back of a station wagon, I'd be happy to go get the thing and
> > store
> > > > it for you. How much does the thing weigh?
> > > >
> > > > George
> > > >
> > > > > Not yet Ed and that is way too far for you to go. I so appreciate
> > your
> > > > > response but unless someone closer comes through I will just
> > forget it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks again Ed,
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> > > > > To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> > <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 2:47 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> Paul,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I live about 115 mi  South of Ashfield; it would be a trip. Did
> > you get
> > > > > any
> > > > >> other feelers?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Ed Stoller
> > > > >> New Fairfield, CT
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> > > > >> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > > >> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 6:53 PM
> > > > >> Subject: Fw: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Folks this is a small unit that will fit in the back of a
> > pickup, in
> > > > > fact
> > > > >>> several of them would fit in the back of a pickup. Sure would
> > like to
> > > > > have
> > > > >>> it but need a temporary storage for it until I can arrange
> > > > > transportation
> > > > >> to
> > > > >>> the August Portland Show - anyone out there who can pick it up
> > in
> > > > >> Ashfield,
> > > > >>> Ma for me?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Thanks
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >>> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> > > > >>> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > > >>> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 7:23 AM
> > > > >>> Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Do any of the List members live anywhere near Ashfield, MA. I
> > have a
> > > > >> corn
> > > > >>>> cutter I would like to purchase but it has to be picked up
> > within 10
> > > > >> days
> > > > >>> of
> > > > >>>> the close of the auction. I would need someone who could pick
> > it up
> > > > > for
> > > > >> me
> > > > >>>> and store it until I could arrange for transportation to
> > Portland for
> > > > >> it.
> > > > >>>>
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From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Mon Jun 21 10:14:38 2004
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:14:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Style D  "shoebox"  fairbanks
References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A72022A9@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>
Message-ID: <053b01c457b3$3b808f20$0301a8c0@ALEC>

Does anyone have an extra crank they want to sell for a style D ?????
 Tks , 
Alec



From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Mon Jun 21 10:18:25 2004
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:18:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Thompson engines or Thompson Tiger
References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A72022A9@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>
Message-ID: <054201c457b3$c3a21b80$0301a8c0@ALEC>

Anyone out there have info on these engines?????????????
Mine is a dual ported aircooled engine with all the stufff on the wrong
side, like a Gilson, These were made in Beloit Wis. , about 40 miles from
the Gilson plant
 Bob B. from the list says they were similar but different, If there are any
reprints of catalogs etc. that anyone knows about , It would be of great
help to me , Tks
Alec J. Stevens
Investment Specialist
80 Leighton Road, Suite C
Falmouth, ME 04105
(800)842-6669
(207)797-5169
(207)797-2819




From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jun 21 10:45:56 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:45:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring. NOW: Cylinder boring
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<p06020403bcfcb6b90b7f@[128.163.81.76]>
Message-ID: <40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>

While ripping on ol' Arnie is a hoot (and so appropriate!), the subject 
of boring an oil field engine is of interest too. During the long hours 
of driving back from Coolsprings this weekend, I was wondering about the 
possibilities of boring an oil field engine cylinder in place. Several 
years ago we rented GE Services equipment and line bored 3 high speed 
brass pinion bushings in the bed of a forging machine. I was thinking 
similiar equipment could be used, locating one end of the boring bar 
between the throws of the crankshaft (or the bearing caps) and locating 
the other end with a plate clamped by the cylinder head bolts. Does 
anyone have experience boring an engine this way? Does it sound reasonable?
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Michael Tucker wrote:

> Oh PLLLEEEAAASE!  How long have you had Bessie?  Is this the first 
> time that you noticed that she didn't have enough compression to run 
> or are you just using that as an excuse to cover up the fact that 
> ANOTHER deadline has come and gone with no results! :-)))
>




From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Mon Jun 21 10:46:30 2004
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:46:30 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring & Beyond...
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<40D6FE70.AB374410@insulate.co.uk>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211159420.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <40D71EF6.9D28A7BF@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Arnie

Arnie Fero wrote:

> As to TYRA (2002) and TYRYA (2004), there's been a rumour that supplies of
> food and beer may be tied to page production rates...  Watch this space
> for further developments.

Jim has come up with a better name for this year's trip.  Very apt.
"Been on Long Lazy Overseas Cavort.  Keep Snoring"

> PS - When shooting flying pigs from a lawn chair does one use #2 shot or
> move up to buckshot?  8-))

I believe it's quite acceptable to use a Bren.

Dolly and Jim

--
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk




From mtucker at uky.edu  Mon Jun 21 10:44:06 2004
From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:44:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring & Beyond...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211159420.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<40D6FE70.AB374410@insulate.co.uk>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211159420.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <p06020404bcfcce61969c@[128.163.81.76]>

>PS - When shooting flying pigs from a lawn chair does one use #2 shot or
>move up to buckshot?  8-))

Flying pigs move very slowly so if you need to use a shotgun, you've 
been making WAY too much shimstock!  I prefer to use whatever 
favorite large caliber handgun I happen to have with me.

See ya',
Mike
-- 
____________________
Michael Tucker
Midway, Kentucky, USA
mtucker at uky.edu
____________________


From cgbusch at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 21 11:25:24 2004
From: cgbusch at yahoo.com (Chris Busch)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:25:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: engine tolerances - Re: [SEL] Coolspring & Beyond...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211159420.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20040621182524.73006.qmail@web11309.mail.yahoo.com>

>and left the original piston you would get a fair
>amount of piston 
>skirt slap.  Why not just try a new set of rings to 

On my vintage garden tractor project, last Sunday, I
put my FMZ 2hp dishpan back together with new rings. 
Since the stationary engine isn't stationary anymore,
I noticed that I have to improve clearances a lot
more.  

When the engine would tilt side to side, it would
knock, I fixed that by adding solder to the ends of
the main bearings.  This tightened up the end play
slop.

I also adjusted the mains to not have slop when
lifting on either flywheel.

However, I still notice a little knock sound if you
are in high gear and hit a big bump.  On the FMZ the
crank handle is loose, so it can bang around.  But
perhaps it is piston skirt slop?

I am using synthetic grease with teflon in it, for
super slippery-ness.  I use high quality modern motor
oil in the oiler.  (I may start using synthethic oil.)

The engine probably runs better than it has in 50
years. Although it is in battered work clothes. When
actually using these engines for work, you need 'em to
run right. :)



=====
--
Chris Busch
cgbusch at yahoo.com
http://www.geocities.com/cgbusch/


From BillMil357 at aol.com  Mon Jun 21 11:48:55 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:48:55 EDT
Subject: [SEL] new photos
Message-ID: <1e1.23970ff8.2e088797@aol.com>

Hi Mick;

I enjoyed the pictures, you done good.

Bill Miller.


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Jun 21 12:40:55 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:40:55 +0200
Subject: [SEL] new photos
References: <004001c45735$2db3d560$5da557ca@andrewiowlw0rj>
Message-ID: <003101c457c7$ab446070$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>


Hi Mick, you got a nice collection in that short time.
Especially the Titan and Famous are interesting, pitty
you can't find them here.
Thanks for sharing the pics.

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl


> 
>  G'day All
>  I have added some more pictures to my webshot page of some engines i have
> acquired and finished off in the last 6 months and thought you all might
>  like to have a look.
>     Cheers
>         Mick
> 
>  http://community.webshots.com/album/143394803IRIBri
> 
>  Mick Christie
>  Victoria, Australia
>  mickc at vic.australis.com.au




From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 21 12:45:59 2004
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:45:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Thompson engines or Thompson Tiger
In-Reply-To: <054201c457b3$c3a21b80$0301a8c0@ALEC>
Message-ID: <20040621194559.77728.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com>

Thompson engines were built by J. Thompson & Sons. Thompson got into the
business very early and built some large double acting industrial engines,
gasifiers and water pumping outfits for municipalities. I don't know of
any paper on them.
Thompson Tigers were built in the teens and were sold under the Thompson
name, the Woodmanse name and also under the UMA name by United
Manufacturer's Association. 
One fellow that might have some information on them is a guy by the name
of Tom Enderson, of Jim Falls, WI. Tom is a retired pipefitter who worked
construction, and when he was working away from home he occupied his free
time by going to the library in whatever town he was staying in and going
through the newspapers. Beats going to the saloon. Tom is a wealth of
knowledge on Wisconsin built engines and has owned some pretty obscure
stuff over the years. I do not know if he is online or not, but you should
be able to get his telephone number through Yahoo and then give him a
call. I have learned a few things from him and find him to be very cordial
and willing to share what he knows.
ANother collector you might try is Kevin Behnke, in Wausau, WI. Kevin has
an incredible collection of paper and is also a wealth of knowledge. I
have never talked about Thompsons with him, but the chances are good that
if he doesn't know a lot about them, he could tell you who does. Kevin
just might have some paper. You can tell either of them that I gave you
their names, they won't hang up on you for doing so!
It would be nice to see a picture of your Thompson, they are nice engines
and quite desirable around here since they are one of the more obscure
Wisconsin built engines.
So nice to have the list back up and running. I don't post much, but I do
enjoy reading it and missed is when it was down.
Later,
Joe
--- Alec Stevens <ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz> wrote:
> Anyone out there have info on these engines?????????????
> Mine is a dual ported aircooled engine with all the stufff on the wrong
> side, like a Gilson, These were made in Beloit Wis. , about 40 miles
> from
> the Gilson plant
>  Bob B. from the list says they were similar but different, If there are
> any
> reprints of catalogs etc. that anyone knows about , It would be of great
> help to me , Tks
> Alec J. Stevens
> Investment Specialist
> 80 Leighton Road, Suite C
> Falmouth, ME 04105
> (800)842-6669
> (207)797-5169
> (207)797-2819


=====
Joe Prindle
Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist
See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at:
www.tznet.com/jprindle
Our Club:
www.badgersteamandgas.com
See Yoo in Baraboo!


		
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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 21 12:53:33 2004
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:53:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20040621195333.85715.qmail@web20228.mail.yahoo.com>

You did the right thing. When Craig gets done with it, it will be done
right. You have a nice looking engine there and the heart of an engine is
the cylinder. When Craig gets done with it, you will have an engine that
will start easy and run good, and you can enjoy it.
Did you see our club's Farrar & Trefts steam engine last year? I think it
is pretty much the same engine that yours was before it was converted to a
half-breed. Ours came off the Windy City lease, so it has a nice history
to go along with it. Over in our engine shed we have a McEwen Bros. half
breed on a Farrar & Trefts base. It has a good cylinder on it and it
starts real easy, just crack open the gas cock and flip the flywheels back
and forth a few times real gently and it pops right off. Never seen an
engine start so easy and run so nice. THAT is what a good cylinder will do
for you.
Darn, that is a nice engine. I really wish it was mine, and not yours! The
skid and canopy are pretty classy.
Later,
Joe
--- Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> Hi John,
> 
> Bessie's Coolspring outing was great even if she didn't do more than
> chuff
> a bit.  A large gang (Craig Prucha, Paul Grey, Dallas Cox, Bill Tremel,
> and me) all got our morning exercise pulling and tromping the flywheels.
> Despite all the creative suggestions and adjustments, the lack of
> compression just couldn't be overcome.  Saturday morning I removed the
> cylinder and piston and sent those home with Craig.  He'll bore the
> cylinder, order new rings, and flame spray the piston if needed.  Next
> year she'll be amazing.  8-))
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, John Hammink wrote:
> 
> > Wonder how it ended.
> >
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Arnie'sBreath.jpg
> 
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See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at:
www.tznet.com/jprindle
Our Club:
www.badgersteamandgas.com
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From kerogas at the-i.net  Mon Jun 21 13:06:54 2004
From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:06:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring.
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn><Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<40D6FE70.AB374410@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <006901c457cb$4d31bf60$be02fea9@oemcomputer>

 
> >   Next
> > year she'll be amazing.  8-))
 

You better put extra elves on this one 



From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jun 21 13:44:59 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:44:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - need tune-up specs..
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406150857010.94538@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <008801c457d0$9f561750$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

Sorry, folks - the AMCFORUM is down, can't get answers there  - and my
Chilton's only goes back to the mid-70's.
I need the tune-up specs for a 1969 AMC Javelin with a 290 2bbl and
automatic tranny.
Idle speed, fast idle speed, timing (I'd bet dwell is 29-31!) and so forth.
Doing a complete work-over of such a beast and don't have any specs to go
by.
I've gotten it working a WHOLE lot better just by using instincts and what I
can remember about them (since I used to work on them all the time).

Right now, it's a semi-stationary engine - it's in the garage with the hood
up.

To do:
Radiator
Read spring rebuild
Transmission service (and leaks)

Done:
Brakes/wheel cylinders
Carb overhaul
Driver window repair

(no, it's my brother's car)

http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin001a.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin002a.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin003a.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin005.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin006.jpg

Bill




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Jun 21 14:32:21 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 23:32:21 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring. NOW: Cylinder boring
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn><Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com><p06020403bcfcb6b90b7f@[128.163.81.76]>
	<40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <000501c457d7$3d623d10$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>


Hi Curt,
    Have you ever seen Harry Terpstra's setup, boring a cylinder and
turning a new piston with a homemade construction.
It can be seen at:
http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/eaton.htm

Enjoy,

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl


> While ripping on ol' Arnie is a hoot (and so appropriate!), the subject 
> of boring an oil field engine is of interest too. During the long hours 
> of driving back from Coolsprings this weekend, I was wondering about the 
> possibilities of boring an oil field engine cylinder in place. Several 
> years ago we rented GE Services equipment and line bored 3 high speed 
> brass pinion bushings in the bed of a forging machine. I was thinking 
> similiar equipment could be used, locating one end of the boring bar 
> between the throws of the crankshaft (or the bearing caps) and locating 
> the other end with a plate clamped by the cylinder head bolts. Does 
> anyone have experience boring an engine this way? Does it sound reasonable?
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jun 21 14:33:24 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:33:24 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fw: [Min_Int_Comb_Eng] jay peters/breisch associated
References: <006d01c4575f$30bb2fe0$05111bd3@athlon>
Message-ID: <005f01c457d8$99467320$7c0d1bd3@athlon>

Sorry about the previous message not being complete. Here is what it said.

!> Hi, I ordered a couple of casting kits, little Brother and Associated
> hired man, From Jay peters about 3 weeks ago. During a fairly lengthy
> phone conversation mister peters explained to me that he had ALS and
> was in the last stages of degeneration and had lost most of his
> muscle control. As such he was moving in with one of his children. I
> spoke at length yesterday with Jays lady friend at the contact number
> I had for him. She told me most everything has now been packed up and
> stored away and that the website would no longer be available. Jay
> has moved a few hours away, and she seemed to think his kids didnt
> want the hassle of operating a mail order business and had ask that
> their phone number not be given out so their dad could rest. My big
> problem is I did not recieve any prints with the two casting sets. I
> ordered both sets to get an idea of the qaulity with the mindset of
> buying Mr Peters business, now Im just worried I wont get the prints
> to go along with the two casting kits, kinda hard to finish accuratly
> with out blue prints. If anyone can help it would be greatly
> appreciated, I will gladly reimburse for the trouble.  Jay Peters our
> prayers are with you. 
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jun 21 14:51:54 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:51:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring. NOW: Cylinder boring
In-Reply-To: <40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>	<p06020403bcfcb6b90b7f@[128.163.81.76]>
	<40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <40D7587A.30409@scrtc.com>

Curt,

	While I've never seen it, I'll bet that the equipment exists (or 
existed) to do it.  I remember my dad having the equipment to grind 
crankshafts in place in an engine.  I remember (when I was a little boy) 
helping him grind a rod journal on an M Farmall and it was in the engine 
and never removed.  I don't remember all the details but I do remember 
the set up and clean up took quite a while.

Tommy Turner




Curt Holland wrote:

> While ripping on ol' Arnie is a hoot (and so appropriate!), the subject 
> of boring an oil field engine is of interest too. During the long hours 
> of driving back from Coolsprings this weekend, I was wondering about the 
> possibilities of boring an oil field engine cylinder in place. Several 
> years ago we rented GE Services equipment and line bored 3 high speed 
> brass pinion bushings in the bed of a forging machine. I was thinking 
> similiar equipment could be used, locating one end of the boring bar 
> between the throws of the crankshaft (or the bearing caps) and locating 
> the other end with a plate clamped by the cylinder head bolts. Does 
> anyone have experience boring an engine this way? Does it sound reasonable?
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> 
> Michael Tucker wrote:
> 
>> Oh PLLLEEEAAASE!  How long have you had Bessie?  Is this the first 
>> time that you noticed that she didn't have enough compression to run 
>> or are you just using that as an excuse to cover up the fact that 
>> ANOTHER deadline has come and gone with no results! :-)))
>>
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 



From BillMil357 at aol.com  Mon Jun 21 15:36:04 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:36:04 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Electrical Problem, Way-Way-Way OT.
Message-ID: <1da.249a35e3.2e08bcd4@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/20/2004 8:54:48 PM Central Standard Time, 
BillMil357 at aol.com writes:
Hey Guy's and Gal's;

I know there are some good electrician's and electrical Engineers on this 
list and Your OLE engine buddy has a problem I have some electric light 
dimmer 
controls on lights down at my church and they are made by Hunter Electronics, 
Dallas, Texas and I was wondering if any of you had worked on these controls 
or 
would have a wiring diagram for them, The top control number is MC 50 and the 
Bottom control number is PC 20 LR. This set of lights would only burn about 
half brightness, and when I would turn the rheostat one place the lights got 
a 
little brighter and I could hear the pot humming, like arcing so I put a 
jumper 
wire across from the center terminal to one outside terminal and the lights 
got good and bright, and there is another rheostat on the same shaft that has 
never been used, how can I determine if it is the right size to work if I 
switch my wires over to it, this rheostat just had 3 wires run over to the 
terminal 
board and ended there. These controls are about 35 years old and Hunter Is no 
longer in business and the controls just look brand new when you take the 
covers off and no burned wires or anything, I would sure like to have a 
wiring 
diag. and some technical help. I have several pictures on my Webshots page 
that 
will give you a lot better idea of what is going on. I will also list my 
E-mail address so you can write off list.

http://community.webshots.com/user/billmil357
I wrote this message yesterday and was afraid it didn't get through during 
the LIST computer switching around, and I sure need a wiring diagram bad, just 
thought someone possibly may have one.


Thanks,

Bill Miller.
billmil357 at aol.com
_______________________________________________


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Jun 21 15:55:43 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:55:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Reel Mower and Gal Sawrig
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV33PDVniSnRM00001a64@hotmail.com>

  Question please!..Was a "Single Reel" lawn mower powered by a Maytag..ever 
manufactured?  Found one..looks OEM but never seen one.

  And get this..found another Gal (?) sawrig w/o engine....carriage offset 
on this one is to the left..blade on the right (normal)    and..has the 
blade cover provisions like John's...mine doesn't.

  Is RED my destiny?????...

We saw the sun today...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TIA
RickinMt.







http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 


From BetCleve321 at aol.com  Mon Jun 21 16:24:54 2004
From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:24:54 EDT
Subject: engine tolerances - Re: [SEL] Coolspring & Beyond...
Message-ID: <11b.337e4bef.2e08c846@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/21/2004 5:51:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
cgbusch at yahoo.com writes:

I use  high quality modern motor
oil in the oiler.  (I may start using  synthethic oil.)

The engine probably runs better than it has in  50
years. Although it is in battered work clothes. When
actually using  these engines for work, you need 'em to
run right.  :)



=====
--
Chris Busch



Why not use some heavy cylinder oil like 60 wt Harley oil. Or some 50 wt.  
aero Shell 100..
The stuff really quiets the noise down. I believe they were intended for  use 
with heavy cylinder oil back then.
If you are leaving loose clearances in your projects, the heavy stuff will  
work well.
 
Skip


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Jun 21 17:29:35 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:29:35 EDT
Subject: [SEL] OT - need tune-up specs..
Message-ID: <1e0.239bfade.2e08d76f@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/21/2004 3:45:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
bill at antique-engines.com writes:
I need the tune-up specs for a 1969 AMC Javelin with a 290 2bbl and
automatic tranny.
Idle speed, fast idle speed, timing (I'd bet dwell is 29-31!) and so forth.
Doing a complete work-over of such a beast and don't have any specs to go
by.
Bill,
Here is the data you requested from Motor Auto Repair Manual (1968 to 1974):

Spark Plugs - N12Y .035" Gap

Point Gap - .016" Gap

Dwell Angle 29 - 31 Degrees

Hot Idle Speed - 550D (With A/C, turn A/C switch to full) 


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 21 17:37:23 2004
From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:37:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] System Outage
Message-ID: <BAY2-F1227kx2fuplvi0005fc15@hotmail.com>

Thanks Spencer for all your hard work getting the list up and going again.


Regards,
Lyndsay.





>From: "Spencer Yost" <syost at triad.rr.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com,   
>farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com,   
>antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com
>Subject: [SEL] System Outage
>Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:59:49 -0400
>
>The note I sent last Thursday about the new ATIS system and an update to my
>professional situation was sent literally less than an hour before the
>server that ran ATIS lost the only drive (boot drive) that wasn't on a RAID
>array.   The ATIS server was sold as part of my business last month with
>the clause in the business separation agreement that Piedmont Systems
>continue to host ATIS until the end of June.  Fortunately I was called in
>to consult with them and help restore the server.   Found out they had no
>backups after I left )-;
>
>Long story short:   A couple of long days with a Partition and MBR editing
>utility saved the data but not the drive.   The old system came backup
>yesterday.   But since I was no longer going to trust the old server and
>the care and administration it was getting I went ahead and initiated the
>changes to DNS last Friday to start the switch to the new equipment.   That
>is why still tonight some people are having trouble.  DNS is still
>propagating.  Thanks God the folks at Road Runner came early for me.   They
>weren't supposed to install my business class service until Saturday.  This
>saved us quite a bit of time.   At least ATIS will be back up, mostly, by
>tomorrow morning.
>
>Thanks for your patience and more to come later,
>
>PS  The OFES, Ford-Ferguson, and Steam-engine lists are still down as are
>several web based utilities at ATIS.   I will continue to work to restore
>services without stop or break
>
>PSS  Happy Father's day to all the father's out there!
>
>
>Spencer
>
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From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Mon Jun 21 17:53:52 2004
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:53:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring. NOW: Cylinder boring
In-Reply-To: <40D7587A.30409@scrtc.com>
References: <40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>
	<000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<p06020403bcfcb6b90b7f@[128.163.81.76]>
	<40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20040621205352.017b33f8@mail.accnorwalk.com>

At 05:51 PM 6/21/04 -0400, you wrote:
>Curt,
>
>	While I've never seen it, I'll bet that the equipment exists (or 
>existed) to do it.  I remember my dad having the equipment to grind 
>crankshafts in place in an engine.  >Tommy Turner
>
 
I've got a boring bar set that was meant to do engines in the car. It
attaches to the head studs and is turned by hand. I've never tried it but
have been tempted a few times.


                                                      
           Doug Tallman                  Join us for the 2004 regional show
           dtallman at accnorwalk.com              in conjunction with      
           VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director   Ashland Co Yesteryear Mach club
               Greenwich, OH USA                July 9-11, 2004             
             


From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jun 21 17:55:27 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:55:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - need tune-up specs..
In-Reply-To: <1e0.239bfade.2e08d76f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002301c457f3$9cacdb60$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

I assume the 550D is in drive with parking brake on......
How about timing?

Thanks. I figured the dwell was "standard" for a V8
The plugs were a bit close, I guessed .35 and these were .30

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
FRM8198 at aol.com
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 7:30 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - need tune-up specs..


In a message dated 6/21/2004 3:45:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
bill at antique-engines.com writes:
I need the tune-up specs for a 1969 AMC Javelin with a 290 2bbl and
automatic tranny. Idle speed, fast idle speed, timing (I'd bet dwell is
29-31!) and so forth. Doing a complete work-over of such a beast and don't
have any specs to go by. Bill, Here is the data you requested from Motor
Auto Repair Manual (1968 to 1974):

Spark Plugs - N12Y .035" Gap

Point Gap - .016" Gap

Dwell Angle 29 - 31 Degrees

Hot Idle Speed - 550D (With A/C, turn A/C switch to full) 


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California _______________________________________________
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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From sel at antique-engine.com  Mon Jun 21 18:08:33 2004
From: sel at antique-engine.com (Craig Prucha)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:08:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring. NOW: Cylinder boring
In-Reply-To: <40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<p06020403bcfcb6b90b7f@[128.163.81.76]>
	<40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <1087866513.40d7869107551@login.kupio.lunarpages.com>

Hi Curt, Arnie, and Michael,

Quite a few years ago some friends and I went out to the Henry Ford Museum. They
have an awesome display of steam engines. There was one corliss steam engine
setup with a portable boring machine driven by a small vertical steam engine.
On the following webpage, (see below) about 3/4 of the way down, you can see a
photo of the setup. It's the photo just before the Lima Locomotive.

http://www.pacificsun.ca/~robert/2001/part03.htm

About using a larger piston:

The first step will be to measure the bore and indicate it on the Horizontal
Boring Mill. Usually I have the bore mapped out on paper and know exactly where
the boring tool will start removing material. The piston reguardless of how
it's achieved, will have to have the proper clearance with the new bore. After
the boring process is completed this can all be figured out, how to get the
piston within the new required specs. Piston ring land depth and OD also play a
part in the decision of how to rework the piston. Every job is different. Well
take care, Craig...


Quoting Curt Holland <curt at imc-group.com>:

> While ripping on ol' Arnie is a hoot (and so appropriate!), the subject 
> of boring an oil field engine is of interest too. During the long hours 
> of driving back from Coolsprings this weekend, I was wondering about the 
> possibilities of boring an oil field engine cylinder in place. Several 
> years ago we rented GE Services equipment and line bored 3 high speed 
> brass pinion bushings in the bed of a forging machine. I was thinking 
> similiar equipment could be used, locating one end of the boring bar 
> between the throws of the crankshaft (or the bearing caps) and locating 
> the other end with a plate clamped by the cylinder head bolts. Does 
> anyone have experience boring an engine this way? Does it sound reasonable?
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Jun 21 19:56:24 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:56:24 EDT
Subject: [SEL] OT - need tune-up specs..
Message-ID: <c8.490051bc.2e08f9d8@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/21/2004 6:46:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
bill at antique-engines.com writes:
I assume the 550D is in drive with parking brake on......
It doesn't really state so.  However, I believe you are correct.


How about timing?
Timing is TDC with the vacuum hose or tube disconnected at the distributor 
and the disconnected line (hose or tube) plugged so the idle speed will not be 
affected.

Firing order is 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2


Francis


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun 21 20:17:00 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:17:00 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Style D  "shoebox"  fairbanks
In-Reply-To: <053b01c457b3$3b808f20$0301a8c0@ALEC>
Message-ID: <200406220317.i5M3H3f5027855@heavyiron.atis.net>


> Does anyone have an extra crank they want to sell for a
style D ?????

Crank as in the bent thing to start the engine, or crank as
in the crankSHAFT, that bent thing way on the inside of the
engine?




From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jun 21 20:36:03 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:36:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - need tune-up specs..
In-Reply-To: <c8.490051bc.2e08f9d8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003001c4580a$0c0555d0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

Thanks.
TDC would seem a bit late - it's sitting at about 7 BTDC now, however that
could be incorrect since not much else was right, except dwell, which was
right on.
They never did use radical specs. That little 290 is a screamer now that
it's carb is clean inside and it's better adjusted.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
FRM8198 at aol.com
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 9:56 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - need tune-up specs..


In a message dated 6/21/2004 6:46:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
bill at antique-engines.com writes:
I assume the 550D is in drive with parking brake on......
It doesn't really state so.  However, I believe you are correct.


How about timing?
Timing is TDC with the vacuum hose or tube disconnected at the distributor 
and the disconnected line (hose or tube) plugged so the idle speed will not
be 
affected.

Firing order is 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2


Francis
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From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Jun 22 02:26:39 2004
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 9:26:39 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT - need tune-up specs..
Message-ID: <36u7i2$1f7q9e@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net>


> TDC would seem a bit late - it's sitting at about 7 BTDC now, however that


This was when they were first starting emission controls and the retarded timing got them by for a little while, helped one area but hurt another that wasn't being checked at the time, don't remember the details. This was when you would see the dual diaphram distributors that would actually retard the timing at idle. Check your total advance if you leave it set high, you may be over advancing. A timing advance kit in the distributor would get things in order for performance.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jun 22 03:07:07 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 05:07:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - need tune-up specs..
In-Reply-To: <36u7i2$1f7q9e@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <006101c45840$ad600980$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

This has the single diaphragm, but the total advance is the critical issue
here, correct.
I'll check the advance curve on it and see - probably best back it off a
bit.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
jbcast at charter.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 4:27 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: RE: [SEL] OT - need tune-up specs..



> TDC would seem a bit late - it's sitting at about 7 BTDC now, however 
> that


This was when they were first starting emission controls and the retarded
timing got them by for a little while, helped one area but hurt another that
wasn't being checked at the time, don't remember the details. This was when
you would see the dual diaphram distributors that would actually retard the
timing at idle. Check your total advance if you leave it set high, you may
be over advancing. A timing advance kit in the distributor would get things
in order for performance. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA

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From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jun 22 04:33:37 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:33:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring. NOW: Cylinder boring
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn><Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com><p06020403bcfcb6b90b7f@[128.163.81.76]>	<40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>
	<000501c457d7$3d623d10$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <40D81911.2020704@imc-group.com>

John,
This is exactly what I had in mind. Being a non cross slide engine 
allowed the use of a large diameter boring bar for rigidity. Those oil 
fields with cross slides and rod gland seal may limit the size of boring 
bar, resulting in too much chatter. Thanks for posting Harry's work.
Curt
P.S. Is an Eaton a Waterloo made engine?

John Hammink wrote:

>Hi Curt,
>    Have you ever seen Harry Terpstra's setup, boring a cylinder and
>turning a new piston with a homemade construction.
>It can be seen at:
>http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/eaton.htm
>
>Enjoy,
>
>John Hammink
>Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
>jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
>
>  
>




From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jun 22 04:46:48 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:46:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring. NOW: Cylinder boring
References: <40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>	<000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>	<p06020403bcfcb6b90b7f@[128.163.81.76]>	<40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>
	<3.0.3.32.20040621205352.017b33f8@mail.accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <40D81C28.3090007@imc-group.com>

Doug,
How is the feed controlled? Could you post a picture of the set up?
Curt

Doug Tallman wrote:

>I've got a boring bar set that was meant to do engines in the car. It
>attaches to the head studs and is turned by hand. I've never tried it but
>have been tempted a few times.
>
>
>                                                      
>    
>




From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Jun 22 10:06:44 2004
From: frappi at wcoil.com (frappi at wcoil.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:06:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine in Washington State USA 
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040622130644.007f9cb0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi All, I just got this engine is Auburn, WA. and Is there anyone near
there that could use the left  over parts? Or pick it up and bring it along
to Portland Show in August?  The seller is removing the mag and bracket and
the carb and shipping those parts to me and he is going to scrap the rest
if nothing happens. Anyone want the rest? Its a drag saw, most likely a
Wade. Looks like good parts. If I can't get a ride for it or nobody wants
the rest its gonna be scrapped. 
I'd like to have the whole thing but shipping is too much to invest unless
I can get a ride for it .   
              
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3822391797>

                                 Help, Thanks,  Maytag Mark



Mark Shulaw            GOD BLESS THE USA! 
454 Co. Rd. 33              
Bluffton, Ohio 45817        <frappi at wcoil.com>  419-358-5206



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Tue Jun 22 11:33:33 2004
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:33:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring pictures.
In-Reply-To: <1087866513.40d7869107551@login.kupio.lunarpages.com>
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<p06020403bcfcb6b90b7f@[128.163.81.76]>
	<40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>
	<1087866513.40d7869107551@login.kupio.lunarpages.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040622132716.02c403e0@mail.herculesengines.com>

We were at the Coolspring show on Friday and Saturday. I took a few 
pictures and posted them at the attached link.  I may not have the H.P. 
correct on some of the Reid pictures particularly in the 8-15 H.P. 
range.  If someone sees any errors please let me know and I'll correct them.
http://www.herculesengines.com/OFES/Coolspring2004.htm
The main point of the trip was to pick up an engine on the way home for a 
friend.  That too went successfully and I'll post some additional pictures 
later.

Keith






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From yostsw at atis.net  Tue Jun 22 12:14:45 2004
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:14:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] System Outage - kinda
References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com>
	<200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com>
	<200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200>
Message-ID: <200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200>

To all the folks that use ATIS

There is a problem with one (or more) of the root servers in the DNS system
that is creating some problems that is affecting ATIS.   One of the root
servers is continuing to cache old information and is not reporting "glue"
records and still has my OLD secondary name server in its cache.   This
information was changed Friday so I am not sure why this is still happening
since the TTL for this information was only 3 days.  Unfortunately, no one
at ISC (Keepers of BIND) can explain it nor is there a remedy.  All I have
gotten from them is something like:

I am very confused...This output for ATIS leads me to believe that there
are missing glue records
at the parent.  But when I issue successive "dig" commands, I find the
glue.    I have been seeing this for a few weeks though.

Not comforting words from experts.  In a nutshell what is happening is most
servers return the correct information (B.GTLD-SERVERS for instance) but
some of them (I haven't tested all of them) return the IP address of my old
secondary nameserver.  Specifically G.GTLD-SERVERS.net is a big culprit.

Anyways, there is nothing I can do about it.   If your ISP happens to get
G.GTLD-SERVERS or one of the others with an outdated cache when your ISP's
name servers reissues a query for ATIS, you will not be able to access ATIS
for about 1 day.   Sorry about this, but there is nothing I can do.
Eventually all of these servers have to have the DNS information reloaded
so I feel comfortable this inconvienence will not last too many more days.

For more information on DNS and to test and prove what I am saying, visit:

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnstime.ch?name=atis.net&type=A

Just keep hitting refresh until G.GTLD-SERVERS.net reports
ns2-auth.sprintlink.net instead of heavyiron.atis.net or one of my
secondaries at biz.rr.com    ns2-auth.sprintlink.net is one of three old
secondaries I use to have and ns2-auth had old information cached.

Sorry for any inconvienence but this should be resolved with a day or two
on its own I would expect,

Sincerely,

Spencer Yost



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun 22 18:08:17 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:08:17 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Check Balls for Pumps - 10 bags available
Message-ID: <200406230108.i5N18Mf5021946@heavyiron.atis.net>

Hi boys and girls,
If you need a supply of parts for your pumps, I've got just
the deal for you.  

My dilemma started two weeks ago when I needed to get a
fuel pump working IMMEDIATELY.  It turned out that one of
the check balls had become rusty and pitted after the
engine had sat for a couple years.  It was late and I
didn't have any extra balls rolling around, so I polished
up the seat and made due with a half-fast repair.

Not wanting to be in such a predicament again, I decided to
buy a selection of stainless steel balls to have on hand
for emergencies.  The corner hardware store is great;  they
have everything.  But their markup on little parts like
stainless balls is ridiculous.  To save some money, I
ordered up some full bags of stainless steel balls.  

Now what can I do with 375 assorted stainless steel balls?
Go into the fuel pump repair business?  Not bloody likely.
I'm gonna save a few out of each bag for myself and then
bag up the rest of them for those of you who might also
want a stash on hand.  

Here's what each package will contain:

8 each   1/8" stainless ball
8 each   3/16" stainless ball
8 each   1/4" stainless ball
4 each   5/16" stainless ball
2 each   3/8" stainless ball

I'll put them all in a ziplock baggie, sandwich it between
cardboard, stick it in an envelope, and send it First Class
Insured to anywhere in the U.S. for seven dollars.  I've
only got enough to do ten packages like this.  If you want
one, let me know OFF LIST.  

Rob



=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
www.rustyiron.com 
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com





















From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Tue Jun 22 19:14:31 2004
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 22:14:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring. NOW: Cylinder boring
In-Reply-To: <40D81C28.3090007@imc-group.com>
References: <40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>
	<000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<p06020403bcfcb6b90b7f@[128.163.81.76]>
	<40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>
	<3.0.3.32.20040621205352.017b33f8@mail.accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20040622221431.0166c348@mail.accnorwalk.com>

At 07:46 AM 6/22/04 -0400, you wrote:
>Doug,
>How is the feed controlled? Could you post a picture of the set up?
>Curt
>_______________________________________________

It uses a gear reduced screw feed if I remember right. Its been a LONG time
since I even opened the box and looked at it. May take a month of Sundays
to dig it out. It had different size guide plates to go with the cylinder
size. I'll see what I can do about a picture.


                                                      
           Doug Tallman                  Join us for the 2004 regional show
           dtallman at accnorwalk.com              in conjunction with      
           VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director   Ashland Co Yesteryear Mach club
               Greenwich, OH USA                July 9-11, 2004             
             


From pmaples at anaxis.net  Tue Jun 22 19:24:25 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:24:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Dave Rotigel E-mail Address
Message-ID: <00bd01c458c9$36feb730$daf70cd1@VAIO>

Hey Dave if you are lurking out there I need to get a hold of you. If
someone else can send me Dave's e-mail address I would appreciate it. I lost
it during my last hard drive crash.

Thanks




From pmaples at anaxis.net  Wed Jun 23 05:58:34 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 07:58:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to a Resdential Wiring Electrician
Message-ID: <00ad01c45921$ce3e9fe0$e7f70cd1@VAIO>

Hey Gang,

If one of you folks is a licensed residential wiring electrician I need to
talk to you about a question I have in regards to wiring up my son's new
house. Please contact me off list and I would appreciate it.

Thanks,

Paul




From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jun 23 07:45:16 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:45:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need Dave Rotigel E-mail Address
Message-ID: <20040623.105109.272.4.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Paul 
Dave's e-mail = rotigel at alltel.net
Good day !

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -   
 \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:24:25 -0500 "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
writes:
> Hey Dave if you are lurking out there I need to get a hold of you. 
> If
> someone else can send me Dave's e-mail address I would appreciate 
> it. I lost
> it during my last hard drive crash.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jun 23 08:23:28 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:23:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Check Balls for Pumps - 10 bags available
In-Reply-To: <200406230108.i5N18Mf5021946@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200406231523.i5NFNXf5019323@heavyiron.atis.net>


All the balls are spoken for.
All gone.
No more.

Thanks,
Rob



From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jun 23 08:30:10 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:30:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Check Balls for Pumps - 10 bags available
In-Reply-To: <200406231523.i5NFNXf5019323@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <003601c45936$fd8822c0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

Rob are you saying you have no balls?

I never saw an email saying you DID have balls..........

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:23 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: RE: [SEL] Check Balls for Pumps - 10 bags available



All the balls are spoken for.
All gone.
No more.

Thanks,
Rob

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From edstoller at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 23 10:49:06 2004
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:49:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Old Radios
Message-ID: <004f01c4594a$62874260$dc9ef504@x8h7l9>

I know there are a few old radio buffs on the engine list. I have been cleaning out a widow friends tractor barn and two old radios followed me home in hope the may be of use to someone. Feel free to cross post them to a radio list. Anybody interested in them?

1.    Western Electric, Code-A-Phone, made by K W Industries, Model KS 19245 L1, S/N 007819,R-1-67, R-2-67, May 65. It has a telephone hand set and a diked phone wire coming out the back.

2.    A.M. Communications Tr / Rx, made by Kaar, Model 12 TR 226, Chassis 8927, s/n 1664. Has four Delco 2N 441 power transistors and two tubes, 12GE6,12AQ5. This unit had mice in it and may not be restorable.

Ed Stoller
edstoller at earthlink dot net
New Fairfield, CT



From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jun 23 12:19:48 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:19:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Imaging software
Message-ID: <40D9D7D4.3090008@imc-group.com>

A while back someone recommended some software that resized and 
compressed images in mass. I use Irfanview software for resizing and 
compressing but it only lets me do one image at a time. I have a couple 
of hundred images from Evansville and Coolsprings that I would like to 
adjust an easier way.
Thanks,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Wed Jun 23 13:35:21 2004
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:35:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Imaging software
In-Reply-To: <40D9D7D4.3090008@imc-group.com>
References: <40D9D7D4.3090008@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040623152508.02ba0358@mail.herculesengines.com>

Curt
I think that was me.  I use WebGraphic Optimizer.  Here is their web site:
http://www.webopt.com/
The professional version lets you do multiple images at one time.  I 
reduced all my Coolsprings photo's in about 30 seconds.
Keith


At 02:19 PM 6/23/2004, you wrote:
>A while back someone recommended some software that resized and compressed 
>images in mass. I use Irfanview software for resizing and compressing but 
>it only lets me do one image at a time. I have a couple of hundred images 
>from Evansville and Coolsprings that I would like to adjust an easier way.
>Thanks,
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Keith Kinney
Evansville, Indiana USA
kkinney(N0 Spam)@HerculesEngines.com - Please remove the (N0 Spam)
WWW.HerculesEngines.com

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         HerculesEnginesGroup-subscribe at yahoogroups.com




From yostsw at atis.net  Wed Jun 23 15:16:10 2004
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:16:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] System Outage - Update
References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com>
	<200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com>
	<200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200>
	<200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200>
Message-ID: <200406231816100593.1B13A373@192.168.2.200>

The problems with DNS ever since Saturday when I changed the DNS
information have stemmed from secondary or root servers.  First the
transitional secondary server was never set up at Sprint as promised.  Then
the secondary DNS service at my ISP seemed to have one small problem after
another and 3 days later it still wasn't answering correctly.   To boot, a
caching problem of some type showed up Monday night on about 5 of the root
servers that brought my old primary name server back in to the mix, which
then reported wrong answers to everyone.

To make a long story short:  I have fired my secondary DNS service with my
ISP and have hired another company to act as my secondaries.   Everything
is now right, perfect, and zones have already transferred.  NS records have
been updated at my registrar to reflect my new secondaries and now we are
just waiting for the information to propagate.   Everything will be back to
normal in 12 -24 hours.  In fact, even though the information was keyed
into the registrar an hour ago, some root servers are already reporting the
correct secondaries so I am guessing by morning most everyone will have no
troubles.

Many, many thanks again for your patience and let me know if you have any
questions,

Spencer



From ignitors at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 23 18:28:50 2004
From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:28:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SCAM alert
Message-ID: <000e01c4598a$9b28ae70$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>

Just a word to let everyone know that there is a party offering the
Industrial Iron Works engine that my Dad and I had on e-bay last week for
sale at $6K.

This not true, the engine failed to make the reserve and is not at this time
for sale.

Ted Brookover
4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
816-763-3142
ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page,
http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm

This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus




From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jun 23 19:52:28 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:52:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] System Outage - Update
Message-ID: <20040623.225623.840.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Spencer,

I can only say - THANK YOU - - - I have no idea what you are talking
about - 
but - without you - we would all be in a pretty bad state of affair.

Thanks Again,

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -   
 \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Jun 23 18:46:09 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:46:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Balls
Message-ID: <022101c4598d$05e6f760$0400a8c0@Dave>

Hi Rob,
    Please send me one set of balls. I don't need any at the moment, but I
know that Arnie is having a bit of trouble with his balls. (It started last
year when we were at Portland and neither Bambi nor Nitro showed up and he
went off with some gal he met in the flea market area--but I digress.) Arnie
is currently in the UK and may miss your post. I'll even up with you at
Portland if that's OK--if not I'll snail the $7.00 to you. let me know!
    Dave
PS, As a mater of fact, just bring the balls to Portland with you and I'll
pick them up there.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:08 PM
Subject: [SEL] Check Balls for Pumps - 10 bags available


> Hi boys and girls,
> If you need a supply of parts for your pumps, I've got just
> the deal for you.
>
> My dilemma started two weeks ago when I needed to get a
> fuel pump working IMMEDIATELY.  It turned out that one of
> the check balls had become rusty and pitted after the
> engine had sat for a couple years.  It was late and I
> didn't have any extra balls rolling around, so I polished
> up the seat and made due with a half-fast repair.
>
> Not wanting to be in such a predicament again, I decided to
> buy a selection of stainless steel balls to have on hand
> for emergencies.  The corner hardware store is great;  they
> have everything.  But their markup on little parts like
> stainless balls is ridiculous.  To save some money, I
> ordered up some full bags of stainless steel balls.
>
> Now what can I do with 375 assorted stainless steel balls?
> Go into the fuel pump repair business?  Not bloody likely.
> I'm gonna save a few out of each bag for myself and then
> bag up the rest of them for those of you who might also
> want a stash on hand.
>
> Here's what each package will contain:
>
> 8 each   1/8" stainless ball
> 8 each   3/16" stainless ball
> 8 each   1/4" stainless ball
> 4 each   5/16" stainless ball
> 2 each   3/8" stainless ball
>
> I'll put them all in a ziplock baggie, sandwich it between
> cardboard, stick it in an envelope, and send it First Class
> Insured to anywhere in the U.S. for seven dollars.  I've
> only got enough to do ten packages like this.  If you want
> one, let me know OFF LIST.
>
> Rob


From yostsw at atis.net  Thu Jun 24 08:45:38 2004
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:45:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] System Outage - Update
References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com>
	<200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com>
	<200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200>
	<200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200>
	<200406231816100593.1B13A373@192.168.2.200>
Message-ID: <200406241145380078.1ED4722F@192.168.2.200>

I believe DNS information that includes the new secondary DNS service I am
using is beginning to propagate.   It was in WHOIS last night but of course
it can take a 12-24 hours to make its rounds and show up for most folks and
up to 3 days for some people/ISPs.  DNS test suites and sites are pulling
up the right information from time to depending on which root server they
happen to get so I know it is beginning to happen.

Some of you may be able to get to the ATIS/Antique-Tractor site now.   BTW,
I just fixed the problem with the Cub FAQ not loading(PS  Jim Becker please
contact me offline).

Spencer



From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 24 08:21:43 2004
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:21:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arnie Where are you?
Message-ID: <BAY12-F53XCUOGqcaZI0000cf94@hotmail.com>


Hey Arnie, Where are you? I have your  Bamford/ Millars book ready to mail 
but you never sent me a snail mail address. Did you get so busy finishing up 
  TYRA III and IV that you forgot so send it?  Steve Royster

_________________________________________________________________
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jun 24 12:07:17 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:07:17 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Arnie Where are you?
References: <BAY12-F53XCUOGqcaZI0000cf94@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000401c45a1e$78556e80$6190ff3e@zen>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:21 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Arnie Where are you?


>
> Hey Arnie, Where are you? I have your  Bamford/ Millars book ready to mail
> but you never sent me a snail mail address. Did you get so busy finishing
up
>   TYRA III and IV that you forgot so send it?  Steve Royster

Hi Steve, He left it so late writing about England that he forgot
what we are like.
As a result he is back here having a reminder.
I should be meeting him again on Saturday at the 1000 engine rally.

Dave Croft
Warrington
England.



From yostsw at atis.net  Thu Jun 24 14:34:50 2004
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:34:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] System Outage - Update
References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com>
	<200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com>
	<200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200>
	<200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200>
	<200406231816100593.1B13A373@192.168.2.200>
	<200406241145380078.1ED4722F@192.168.2.200>
Message-ID: <200406241734500359.201437E1@192.168.2.200>

I am starting to see a marked increase in web traffic and know for sure
most if not all AOL users can get through just fine.   I just answered some
mail from a few as a matter of fact.  All root DNS servers are now all
reporting correct information and its just a matter of time before the
information your ISP has cached expires and your ISP DNS servers must look
it up.  They will get the right information then.

If your ISP is small and very helpful, you may be able to call them up and
ask them to "flush" their DNS servers' caches.  This will speed up the
process of getting to my servers.   Don't even bother calling the big guys
with that favor (-;

By the way, here is the DNS timing test link.  We're getting As and A+s now

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnstime.ch?name=www.atis.net&type=A

Spencer



From ozengine at yahoo.com.au  Thu Jun 24 17:05:34 2004
From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:05:34 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] test only
Message-ID: <20040625000534.66861.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com>

Test, might be something wrong with my email address??

Graham in Oz



Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
http://au.movies.yahoo.com


From yostsw at atis.net  Thu Jun 24 21:22:09 2004
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:22:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] System Outage - Update
References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com>
	<200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com>
	<200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200>
	<200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200>
	<200406231816100593.1B13A373@192.168.2.200>
	<200406241145380078.1ED4722F@192.168.2.200>
	<200406241734500359.201437E1@192.168.2.200>
Message-ID: <200406250022090828.2189228E@192.168.2.200>

DNS is mostly propagated and most everyone should be able to get to ATIS,
certainly by morning for the remainder of you.   Traffic is starting to
move again.

However, I did go ahead, while traffic was light, bring down mail services
for a few hours late tonight (10-12) while I installed the virus software
and upgraded the SPAM filtering software.   During this time those of you
that could get to ATIS, well couldn't get to ATIS (-;  -  not with an email
message anyways.

The upgrade was something that was planned for the very near term and I
figured, why not now.   I wanted to get it done yesterday but didn't have
all the software I needed.

Good night and take care,

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net



From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Jun 23 21:10:59 2004
From: frappi at wcoil.com (frappi at wcoil.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:10:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine in Washington State USA 
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040624001059.00897180@pop3.wcoil.com>

For some reason I can not seem to figure out I am not getting my regular
notes from the list, so if anyone can help, email me directly.   Thanks,
Mark     frappi at wcoil.com


  

Mark Shulaw            GOD BLESS THE USA! 
454 Co. Rd. 33              
Bluffton, Ohio 45817        <frappi at wcoil.com>  419-358-5206



From bercar at shenhgts.net  Thu Jun 24 18:52:48 2004
From: bercar at shenhgts.net (Bernie)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:52:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] System Outage - Update
In-Reply-To: <200406241734500359.201437E1@192.168.2.200>
Message-ID: <ILEPJHGCGMNODDKDIEFAOEFDCGAA.bercar@shenhgts.net>

just as a note, i ran the dns test from here 10 times and got "F" each time.

Im wondering if some people have their dns servers setup to refresh every 7
days instead of 3 like it should be....

bernie

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Spencer
Yost
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 5:35 PM
To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com;
farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com;
antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com;
ford-ferguson at lists.antique-tractor.com;
steam-engine at lists.stationary-engine.com;
ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] System Outage - Update


I am starting to see a marked increase in web traffic and know for sure
most if not all AOL users can get through just fine.   I just answered some
mail from a few as a matter of fact.  All root DNS servers are now all
reporting correct information and its just a matter of time before the
information your ISP has cached expires and your ISP DNS servers must look
it up.  They will get the right information then.

If your ISP is small and very helpful, you may be able to call them up and
ask them to "flush" their DNS servers' caches.  This will speed up the
process of getting to my servers.   Don't even bother calling the big guys
with that favor (-;

By the way, here is the DNS timing test link.  We're getting As and A+s now

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnstime.ch?name=www.atis.net&type=A

Spencer

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Jun 24 19:41:54 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:41:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SCAM alert
References: <000e01c4598a$9b28ae70$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>
Message-ID: <02c901c45a5d$fa362f90$0400a8c0@Dave>

> Just a word to let everyone know that there is a party offering the
> Industrial Iron Works engine that my Dad and I had on e-bay last week for
> sale at $6K.
> This not true, the engine failed to make the reserve and is not at this
time
> for sale.
> Ted Brookover

Thanks for the heads up Ted! Who is the guy? I tried e-bay, but couldn't
find the IIW.
    Dave
PS, Another scam that we all need to be aware of is the following:
    If someone comes to your front door saying they are conducting a survey
    on deer ticks and asks you to take your clothes off, do not do it! IT IS
    A SCAM; they only want to see you naked.
    I wish I'd gotten this yesterday. I feel so stupid and cheap now....



From nancydick at keyconn.net  Fri Jun 25 08:18:07 2004
From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:18:07 -0800
Subject: [SEL] test only
In-Reply-To: <20040625000534.66861.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20040625071704.00b71db8@mail.keyconn.net>

Yes it is coming through backwards
R Fink
PA



At 10:05 AM 6/25/2004 +1000, you wrote:
>Test, might be something wrong with my email address??
>
>Graham in Oz
>
>
>
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From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Fri Jun 25 04:41:05 2004
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 04:41:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Sandwich Engine Show
In-Reply-To: <000c01c45aa5$e4abbb20$6718a4cb@userk3rkcanzew>
Message-ID: <20040625114105.24350.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>



Just wanted to invite every one who is in the neighborhood to the Sandwich
Early Day Gas Engine Club Show this weekend.  Saturday and Sunday June
26-27 in Sandwich, Illinois at the Sandwich Fairgrounds.  (Just north of
the airport/Rt 34).  This years feature is Massey Harris Engines &
Tractors.

More info on the club page at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/

See you there.  

Steve


=====
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Steve Barr                N9NDE            Downers Grove, IL
          http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr
                      stevebarr at ameritech.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Fri Jun 25 04:45:11 2004
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 04:45:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Show Photos
In-Reply-To: <000c01c45aa5$e4abbb20$6718a4cb@userk3rkcanzew>
Message-ID: <20040625114511.32592.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com>

I have added show photos from the Evansville,IN and Lyons Farm in
Yorkville IL shows to my web space.

Evansville:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2004siam1.htm

Lyons Farm:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2004LyonsFarmSpring1.htm

I also have photos and results from the Chris Kabele auciton on my page 
at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2004Kabele1.htm

Enjoy

Steve



From BillMil357 at aol.com  Fri Jun 25 06:18:00 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:18:00 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Show Photos
Message-ID: <198.2b4fa8a7.2e0d8008@aol.com>

Hey Steve;

Sure enjoyed your new pictures, thanks for showing them.

See Ya,

Bill Miller
Memphis, TN.


From pmaples at anaxis.net  Fri Jun 25 06:19:55 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 08:19:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
Message-ID: <00a301c45ab7$1ec79d90$c9f70cd1@VAIO>

Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and since I
have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to the group.
Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out? I know you
have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that somewhere out
in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and submitted
his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just once but
still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.

Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year but I don't
remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight, hearing, and
reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has done this
let me hear about your results.

I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have someone that
has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost for a
normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder, at least
not just yet.

Thanks




From don.h at wcoil.com  Fri Jun 25 06:49:33 2004
From: don.h at wcoil.com (don)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:49:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
References: <00a301c45ab7$1ec79d90$c9f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <002e01c45abb$3f502e20$6401a8c0@shop>

Hi Paul.
I have a Power Coat outfit from Eastwood Co. Now there is a set of heat
lamps you can use to powder kote big iron with so no oven is needed I have
not bought a set of lamps to try this out with ( there a little price e for
home use ) but my buddy has a set he used in his body shop.
The big  problem in trying to paint any big engine is getting every  part of
the casting smoth and dirt, greese free just as if you where useing any kind
of paint. if you use body shop mud,iceing it has to be able to with stand
400 degrees at 20 or 30 minuits. there is a body filler with metal in it
that you can use. Powder coat is neat its messy cause your blowing a powder
on the metal parts with the help of static electricty to suck it( the
powder ) into all the cracks and crevices then heat is used to melt the
powder in to a very nice hig gloss finish There is a art into powder coating
just like spray painting its not quite as easy to do as it sounds do a
search on powder coating here on the net and you will find out a better
explani then what i can do.
good luck
Don in Ohio
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 9:19 AM
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines


> Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and since I
> have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to the
group.
> Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out? I know
you
> have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that somewhere
out
> in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and submitted
> his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just once
but
> still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
>
> Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year but I
don't
> remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight, hearing, and
> reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has done this
> let me hear about your results.
>
> I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have someone
that
> has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost for a
> normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder, at
least
> not just yet.
>
> Thanks
>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From pmaples at anaxis.net  Fri Jun 25 06:54:17 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 08:54:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
References: <00a301c45ab7$1ec79d90$c9f70cd1@VAIO>
	<002e01c45abb$3f502e20$6401a8c0@shop>
Message-ID: <00c201c45abb$ebd00800$c9f70cd1@VAIO>

Thanks Don for this information. I gather from your message that you have
not actually tired it on an engine yet?

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "don" <don.h at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines


> Hi Paul.
> I have a Power Coat outfit from Eastwood Co. Now there is a set of heat
> lamps you can use to powder kote big iron with so no oven is needed I have
> not bought a set of lamps to try this out with ( there a little price e
for
> home use ) but my buddy has a set he used in his body shop.
> The big  problem in trying to paint any big engine is getting every  part
of
> the casting smoth and dirt, greese free just as if you where useing any
kind
> of paint. if you use body shop mud,iceing it has to be able to with stand
> 400 degrees at 20 or 30 minuits. there is a body filler with metal in it
> that you can use. Powder coat is neat its messy cause your blowing a
powder
> on the metal parts with the help of static electricty to suck it( the
> powder ) into all the cracks and crevices then heat is used to melt the
> powder in to a very nice hig gloss finish There is a art into powder
coating
> just like spray painting its not quite as easy to do as it sounds do a
> search on powder coating here on the net and you will find out a better
> explani then what i can do.
> good luck
> Don in Ohio
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 9:19 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
>
>
> > Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and since
I
> > have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to the
> group.
> > Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out? I know
> you
> > have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that somewhere
> out
> > in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and
submitted
> > his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just once
> but
> > still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
> >
> > Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year but I
> don't
> > remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight, hearing,
and
> > reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has done
this
> > let me hear about your results.
> >
> > I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have someone
> that
> > has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost for a
> > normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder, at
> least
> > not just yet.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
>
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 25 07:18:45 2004
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:18:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arnie Where are you?
Message-ID: <BAY12-F114NjuIooYCW000114af@hotmail.com>

Hi Dave,  Hope you guys have a great time at the rally. Please send lots of 
pictures as I'm sure Arnie is very busy writing and may not have any time to 
take pictures!  Thanks for the report, Steve Royster


>From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie Where are you?
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:07:17 +0100
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:21 PM
>Subject: RE: [SEL] Arnie Where are you?
>
>
> >
> > Hey Arnie, Where are you? I have your  Bamford/ Millars book ready to 
>mail
> > but you never sent me a snail mail address. Did you get so busy 
>finishing
>up
> >   TYRA III and IV that you forgot so send it?  Steve Royster
>
>Hi Steve, He left it so late writing about England that he forgot
>what we are like.
>As a result he is back here having a reminder.
>I should be meeting him again on Saturday at the 1000 engine rally.
>
>Dave Croft
>Warrington
>England.
>
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From bercar at shenhgts.net  Fri Jun 25 08:06:34 2004
From: bercar at shenhgts.net (Bernie)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:06:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
In-Reply-To: <00a301c45ab7$1ec79d90$c9f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <ILEPJHGCGMNODDKDIEFAOEFJCGAA.bercar@shenhgts.net>

i have the outfit from eastwood, and power coat things from time to time.
Yes there is a nack to powder coating.  Anyone can powder coat anything,
however doing it right, and doint it that it will last is another thing.
when powder coating is done right, you wont get the coating off without a
struggle.

i setup a test piece one time to see just how hard powder coating is when
done right.
you cant sandblast it (unless your willing to stand there hours on end
working on one little area).
you cant polish it off with a buffer (uless you want to stang there untill
the coating gets to hot and melts off, or you wear it off, in other words a
very long time).
Burning with a torch takes a long time as not everything comes off you have
to heat, and clean, and repeat
they only thing i could do to get it off was cutting it in some way, either
grinding, or filing, or sawing, etc....

its one hard coating.  The test piece BTW was cast.  This coating is
resistant to gas, and oil. one problem is tho, you cant use it on gas tanks
as when you heat it you melt the solder out of the joints on the tank.
Only side effect is if its put on a head, it will discolor and flake. now
there is hightemp coatings you can get that will withstand higher temps
(eastwoods high-temp powder goes to 1000 deg)

professional jobs cost the same as a pofessional paint job.
heres a list from a place in california
http://www.powdercoater.com/autoprices.htm

i currently have an engine awaiting powder coating, when i decide to get to
it.  Problem is i dont have an oven big enough to hold the block (IHC M - 1
1/2), and i refuse to use a heat lamp as i an unable to properly prep that
part, and get a good cure that i like.  I have plans to build a large oven
as i from time to time have a need for one, but as with everything, didnt
get around to building it yet.

bernie


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Paul Maples
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 9:20 AM
To: Stationary Engine List
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines


Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and since I
have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to the group.
Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out? I know you
have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that somewhere out
in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and submitted
his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just once but
still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.

Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year but I don't
remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight, hearing, and
reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has done this
let me hear about your results.

I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have someone that
has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost for a
normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder, at least
not just yet.

Thanks


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http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Fri Jun 25 08:21:04 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (diesel at easynet.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:21:04 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
In-Reply-To: <00a301c45ab7$1ec79d90$c9f70cd1@VAIO>
References: <00a301c45ab7$1ec79d90$c9f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <1088176864.40dc42e0d91ba@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk>

Quoting Paul Maples <pmaples at anaxis.net>:

> Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and since I
> have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to the group.
> Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out? I know you
> have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that somewhere out
> in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and submitted
> his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just once but
> still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
> 
> Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year but I don't
> remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight, hearing, and
> reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has done this
> let me hear about your results.
> 
> I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have someone that
> has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost for a
> normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder, at least
> not just yet.
> 
> Thanks

Hi Paul:

We use powder coating for all our commercial products at the factory, and did 
have a couple of engines shot blasted then powder coated some time ago.

A few things I would comment on:

1) The powder will soften with heat, so areas around the cylinder head for 
example will discolour.

2) The powder is put on electrostaically so complex shapes can be difficult to 
get powder into, so some retouching may be required.

3) The coating is thicker than paint by some distance, so it does tend to smooth 
over surface imperfections. If you like to see all the casting marks etc, you 
may find that powder is too good a finish.

4) It is not easily polished and takes scratches easily. Some solvents will 
attack the surface, depending on whether you have Polyester or Polyurethane 
powder. Polyester is the hardest wearing and used for outdoors, the other is for 
indoors use.

5) It needs a good key to hang on to the surface, so shotblasting first is a 
good idea. 

6) Zinc spraying after shotblasting but before powder coating is very good for 
things that sit outdoors all the time like trailer chassis etc.

We still have the two engines BTW, both are staying in the collection.

Peter
-- 

Peter Forbes
diesel at easynet.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

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From dave.croft at boltblue.com  Thu Jun 24 05:06:10 2004
From: dave.croft at boltblue.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:06:10 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Balls
References: <022101c4598d$05e6f760$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <000901c459e3$a4e16660$afaafea9@nemesis>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:46 AM
Subject: [SEL] Balls


Hi Rob,
    Please send me one set of balls. I don't need any at the moment, but I
know that Arnie is having a bit of trouble with his balls. (It started last
year when we were at Portland and neither Bambi nor Nitro showed up and he
went off with some gal he met in the flea market area--but I digress.) Arnie
is currently in the UK and may miss your post. I'll even up with you at
Portland if that's OK--if not I'll snail the $7.00 to you. let me know!
    Dave
PS, As a mater of fact, just bring the balls to Portland with you and I'll
pick them up there.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:08 PM
Subject: [SEL] Check Balls for Pumps - 10 bags available
snip

Hi Dave, If it keeps raining & windy the way it has for the last few days, Arnie
will be coming back to the USA with his balls well washed & blow dried. 8^)
Dave Croft.








From falcon at telenet.net  Fri Jun 25 08:31:52 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:31:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
References: <00a301c45ab7$1ec79d90$c9f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <00ed01c45ac9$8a90faa0$8a1117d1@net.telenet.net>

Not one of mine, but a few. I spent a few years in a powder/liquid shop.
Coated things with powder that even the manufacturers
were shocked by.  Anyway..
There are two big things with coating an engine. One is getting it
clean, that you can do by sandblasting it then baking it for an hour or
two then giving it another light blast. That will remove the original
paint, and the baking will outgas any oil/water/whatever in the cast
iron, the follow-up blasting is to clean anything that made it to the
surface off. ( this step is critical on ANY cast item that has been near
oil EVER).
The second one is deciding if you want an as cast finish OR do you want
a smooth finish. As cast you just final blast preheat and coat. For a
smooth finish you need to grind the cast smooth and fill pinholes/cracks
with brass before the final wipe down. Then preheat and coat.

I have seen a lot of plans for homemade ovens BUT you only need a well
insulated box large enough to cover the engine, a heat source capable of
350-400 degrees and a way to power the source. One of the neat things we
had in the shop was a  set of infrared heater units that worked pretty
well, they were a LOT like the propane powered wall mount heaters (just
electric), they heated the parts and not the air around them. If you
used a pair of them and rotated them, or the engine, to avoid
overheating spots you could get the engine up to temp and coat it easily
enough.

Just a possible idea.
 Build a well insulated shed (use steel studs, tin siding/interior,
10 -12" fiberglass insulation) Or find one of the outdoor freezer units
like they use at McDonalds, Dunkin Doughnuts and a bunch of other food
places and convert it. For heat a pair of the heater panels (strip the
safety stuff off and relocate it outside the shed since it is usually
plastic enclosed and that won't last long in a 350-400 degree box) Buy
an industrial thermostat with a timer. In the middle of the floor attach
a sturdy turntable (powered with an external motor kept outside the box)
Mount the heat panels on arms from the ceiling that can be adjusted
in/out.  That completes the oven. BUT it also makes a nice sandblast
cabinet as well (just cover the heat panels).

Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 9:19 AM
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines


> Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and
since I
> have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to the
group.
> Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out? I
know you
> have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that
somewhere out
> in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and
submitted
> his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just
once but
> still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
>
> Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year but I
don't
> remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight, hearing,
and
> reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has done
this
> let me hear about your results.
>
> I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have
someone that
> has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost for a
> normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder, at
least
> not just yet.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From driggars at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 25 09:19:10 2004
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:19:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
References: <00a301c45ab7$1ec79d90$c9f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <00b001c45ad0$26f05ac0$150fe204@clinton>


Paul

Good topic!  From what I know, (not much...)

You have to use a special powder coat that is heat resistant, then just
having a way to bake the size of parts

You can build make shift ovens, etc using heated lamps, etc. or if the
engine parts are small enough, a regular electric oven will do

I picked up a double electric oven at my local country auction for 1.00

I would say I can do the typical Briggs engine in it

I would like to hear what others have to say myself

Clint






> Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and since I
> have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to the
group.
> Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out? I know
you
> have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that somewhere
out
> in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and submitted
> his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just once
but
> still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
>
> Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year but I
don't
> remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight, hearing, and
> reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has done this
> let me hear about your results.
>
> I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have someone
that
> has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost for a
> normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder, at
least
> not just yet.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Jun 25 09:22:21 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:22:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
References: <00a301c45ab7$1ec79d90$c9f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <40DC513D.2010907@imc-group.com>

Paul,
Interesting you should mention this. We have a new neighbor and it turns 
out he owns a powder coat business. We were talking last night and he 
has discovered he can powder coat over small amounts of Bondo. So it is 
possible to do some smoothing on your engine with filler and then still 
be able to have it powder coated. I was most surprised that the filler 
held up to the 400?F curing temps.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Paul Maples wrote:

>Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and since I
>have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to the group.
>Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out? I know you
>have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that somewhere out
>in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and submitted
>his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just once but
>still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
>
>Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year but I don't
>remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight, hearing, and
>reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has done this
>let me hear about your results.
>
>I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have someone that
>has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost for a
>normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder, at least
>not just yet.
>
>Thanks
>
>
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From don.h at wcoil.com  Fri Jun 25 09:48:50 2004
From: don.h at wcoil.com (don)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:48:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
References: <00a301c45ab7$1ec79d90$c9f70cd1@VAIO><002e01c45abb$3f502e20$6401a8c0@shop>
	<00c201c45abb$ebd00800$c9f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <000b01c45ad4$4b165d60$6401a8c0@shop>

Thats right it would be a lot of work filling all the castings and sanding
them smooth.. But  I,m sure a powder coat job would be neat.. I was lucky to
get a frame for my cushman powder coated  ( Goverment job  hi hi ) but I had
it sandblasted and all ready to go.. You would have to take a engine all
apart to sand blast fill all the rough parts with mud  sand till it ,s like
a new babys bottom . ect
I,v seen a couple engines around our local show that are very nice all fixed
up this way .But then of course your always wipeing them clean.. a couple
yrs ago I re did a t-craft ( 1940) airplane the fellow i  sold it to who
always is rebuilding something , ie cushmans ,airplanes, indian 4s  all the
good toys once told me the only trouble with doing such a nice job on the
stuff is you cant hardly get it dirty or some one will call you on the
carpet for getting it dirty.
Come to Findlay Ohio show and look at DR Daves nice engines there  nice
Don in Ohio*-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines


> Thanks Don for this information. I gather from your message that you have
> not actually tired it on an engine yet?
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "don" <don.h at wcoil.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
>
>
> > Hi Paul.
> > I have a Power Coat outfit from Eastwood Co. Now there is a set of heat
> > lamps you can use to powder kote big iron with so no oven is needed I
have
> > not bought a set of lamps to try this out with ( there a little price e
> for
> > home use ) but my buddy has a set he used in his body shop.
> > The big  problem in trying to paint any big engine is getting every
part
> of
> > the casting smoth and dirt, greese free just as if you where useing any
> kind
> > of paint. if you use body shop mud,iceing it has to be able to with
stand
> > 400 degrees at 20 or 30 minuits. there is a body filler with metal in it
> > that you can use. Powder coat is neat its messy cause your blowing a
> powder
> > on the metal parts with the help of static electricty to suck it( the
> > powder ) into all the cracks and crevices then heat is used to melt the
> > powder in to a very nice hig gloss finish There is a art into powder
> coating
> > just like spray painting its not quite as easy to do as it sounds do a
> > search on powder coating here on the net and you will find out a better
> > explani then what i can do.
> > good luck
> > Don in Ohio
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> > To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 9:19 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
> >
> >
> > > Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and
since
> I
> > > have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to the
> > group.
> > > Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out? I
know
> > you
> > > have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that
somewhere
> > out
> > > in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and
> submitted
> > > his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just
once
> > but
> > > still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
> > >
> > > Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year but I
> > don't
> > > remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight, hearing,
> and
> > > reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has done
> this
> > > let me hear about your results.
> > >
> > > I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have
someone
> > that
> > > has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost for a
> > > normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder, at
> > least
> > > not just yet.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
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From ignitors at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jun 25 11:50:40 2004
From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:50:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
References: <00a301c45ab7$1ec79d90$c9f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <001801c45ae5$50a1ad00$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>

When I was in the Radiator repair business, a fellow brought in the radiator
and overflow tank from a 56 T Bird he was restoring. I odered him a new core
for the radiator and re-soldered all the seams and installed a new neck on
the overflow tank. He had asked that I not paint either piece, so I guessed
he was going to have his paint guy do a really fine job on them.

A few days later he walked in with the overflow tank, and wanted to know if
I thought it could be saved, he had taken it to the powder coater and they
melted all the solder out of the seams and the new neck fell off.
Ted Brookover
4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
816-763-3142
ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page,
http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:19 AM
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines


> Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and since I
> have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to the
group.
> Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out? I know
you
> have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that somewhere
out
> in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and submitted
> his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just once
but
> still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
>
> Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year but I
don't
> remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight, hearing, and
> reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has done this
> let me hear about your results.
>
> I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have someone
that
> has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost for a
> normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder, at
least
> not just yet.
>
> Thanks
>
>
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jun 25 12:57:34 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:57:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
Message-ID: <20040625.155744.588.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Guys - 
Good point on the radiator, Ted.
Happens alot on re-chroming - the brass gets eaten in the acid.

In any case - I don't know what "Powder Coating" is.  I always thought it
was like 
spray painting but, apparently, not.
What's the idea of using heat ?
The powder IS sprayed on - RIGHT ?
Isn't it just like paint but tougher ?

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -   
 \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:50:40 -0500 "Ted Brookover"
<ignitors at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> When I was in the Radiator repair business, a fellow brought in the 
> radiator
> and overflow tank from a 56 T Bird he was restoring. I odered him a 
> new core
> for the radiator and re-soldered all the seams and installed a new 
> neck on
> the overflow tank. He had asked that I not paint either piece, so I 
> guessed
> he was going to have his paint guy do a really fine job on them.
> 
> A few days later he walked in with the overflow tank, and wanted to 
> know if
> I thought it could be saved, he had taken it to the powder coater 
> and they
> melted all the solder out of the seams and the new neck fell off.
> Ted Brookover
> 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
> Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
> 816-763-3142
> ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page,
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
> Ignitor ID Page, 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm
> 
> This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:19 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
> 
> 
> > Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and 
> since I
> > have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to 
> the
> group.
> > Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out? 
> I know
> you
> > have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that 
> somewhere
> out
> > in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and 
> submitted
> > his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just 
> once
> but
> > still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
> >
> > Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year 
> but I
> don't
> > remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight, 
> hearing, and
> > reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has 
> done this
> > let me hear about your results.
> >
> > I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have 
> someone
> that
> > has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost 
> for a
> > normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder, 
> at
> least
> > not just yet.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From falcon at telenet.net  Fri Jun 25 13:29:02 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:29:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
References: <20040625.155744.588.1.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c45af3$0dfdb4e0$761117d1@net.telenet.net>

Powder coating uses a ground plasticized powder that is applied to a
clean surface with an electrostatic charge.
Then the part is heated up to 300-400^ and baked to flow and cure the
powder. Then you let it cool and Presto your done...

If applied properly to a clean and prepped material it will last a lot
longer than any liquid paint. BUT it also has a problem if the material
underneath starts to corrode, the powder will mask that and the part can
fail without you knowing it.

Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines


> Hi Guys -
> Good point on the radiator, Ted.
> Happens alot on re-chroming - the brass gets eaten in the acid.
>
> In any case - I don't know what "Powder Coating" is.  I always thought
it
> was like
> spray painting but, apparently, not.
> What's the idea of using heat ?
> The powder IS sprayed on - RIGHT ?
> Isn't it just like paint but tougher ?
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com
>  ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -
>  \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>
> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:50:40 -0500 "Ted Brookover"
> <ignitors at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> > When I was in the Radiator repair business, a fellow brought in the
> > radiator
> > and overflow tank from a 56 T Bird he was restoring. I odered him a
> > new core
> > for the radiator and re-soldered all the seams and installed a new
> > neck on
> > the overflow tank. He had asked that I not paint either piece, so I
> > guessed
> > he was going to have his paint guy do a really fine job on them.
> >
> > A few days later he walked in with the overflow tank, and wanted to
> > know if
> > I thought it could be saved, he had taken it to the powder coater
> > and they
> > melted all the solder out of the seams and the new neck fell off.
> > Ted Brookover
> > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
> > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
> > 816-763-3142
> > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page,
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
> > Ignitor ID Page,
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm
> >
> > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> > To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:19 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
> >
> >
> > > Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and
> > since I
> > > have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to
> > the
> > group.
> > > Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out?
> > I know
> > you
> > > have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that
> > somewhere
> > out
> > > in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and
> > submitted
> > > his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just
> > once
> > but
> > > still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
> > >
> > > Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year
> > but I
> > don't
> > > remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight,
> > hearing, and
> > > reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has
> > done this
> > > let me hear about your results.
> > >
> > > I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have
> > someone
> > that
> > > has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost
> > for a
> > > normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder,
> > at
> > least
> > > not just yet.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> >
> >
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From falcon at telenet.net  Fri Jun 25 13:34:38 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:34:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
References: <ILEPJHGCGMNODDKDIEFAOEFJCGAA.bercar@shenhgts.net>
Message-ID: <003801c45af3$d7b91400$761117d1@net.telenet.net>

Bernie,
  The durability depends a LOT on powder type. However if the material
is heavy enough we used a burn off oven.
The Bayco we had could melt aluminum easily when it was cooking. The
other method we used was a special
stripping bath. It would take off any powder we used, but you had to be
careful with aluminum as well. Then we
also used a sandblaster on some stuff.

It is the one thing I miss about working there, no longer have as much
access to get stuff done.

Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bernie" <bercar at shenhgts.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 11:06 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines


> i have the outfit from eastwood, and power coat things from time to
time.
> Yes there is a nack to powder coating.  Anyone can powder coat
anything,
> however doing it right, and doint it that it will last is another
thing.
> when powder coating is done right, you wont get the coating off
without a
> struggle.
>
> i setup a test piece one time to see just how hard powder coating is
when
> done right.
> you cant sandblast it (unless your willing to stand there hours on end
> working on one little area).
> you cant polish it off with a buffer (uless you want to stang there
untill
> the coating gets to hot and melts off, or you wear it off, in other
words a
> very long time).
> Burning with a torch takes a long time as not everything comes off you
have
> to heat, and clean, and repeat
> they only thing i could do to get it off was cutting it in some way,
either
> grinding, or filing, or sawing, etc....
>
> its one hard coating.  The test piece BTW was cast.  This coating is
> resistant to gas, and oil. one problem is tho, you cant use it on gas
tanks
> as when you heat it you melt the solder out of the joints on the tank.
> Only side effect is if its put on a head, it will discolor and flake.
now
> there is hightemp coatings you can get that will withstand higher
temps
> (eastwoods high-temp powder goes to 1000 deg)
>
> professional jobs cost the same as a pofessional paint job.
> heres a list from a place in california
> http://www.powdercoater.com/autoprices.htm
>
> i currently have an engine awaiting powder coating, when i decide to
get to
> it.  Problem is i dont have an oven big enough to hold the block (IHC
M - 1
> 1/2), and i refuse to use a heat lamp as i an unable to properly prep
that
> part, and get a good cure that i like.  I have plans to build a large
oven
> as i from time to time have a need for one, but as with everything,
didnt
> get around to building it yet.
>
> bernie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Paul
Maples
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 9:20 AM
> To: Stationary Engine List
> Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
>
>
> Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and
since I
> have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to the
group.
> Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out? I
know you
> have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that
somewhere out
> in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and
submitted
> his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just
once but
> still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
>
> Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year but I
don't
> remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight, hearing,
and
> reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has done
this
> let me hear about your results.
>
> I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have
someone that
> has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost for a
> normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder, at
least
> not just yet.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ignitors at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jun 25 13:55:14 2004
From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:55:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
References: <20040625.155744.588.1.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <001601c45af6$b73d7790$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>

It starts out as a powder Joe, and is applied with the aid of electrostatic
charging, but must be "Baked" the powder melts and runs together forming a
porcelain like surface that is just about bullet proof.

It's great for items that are likely to get chipped like motor cycle frames
or hot rod chassis parts, but to me it is way more expense and trouble than
what is needed for a gas engine.

I have for years been using Dupont Centari acrylic enamel applied to a
sandblasted engine block with NO primer, that's right, I said NO Primer.

This makes for a very tuff finish that will not chip like it will if you put
the soft primer under it.

Ted Brookover
4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
816-763-3142
ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page,
http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines


> Hi Guys -
> Good point on the radiator, Ted.
> Happens alot on re-chroming - the brass gets eaten in the acid.
>
> In any case - I don't know what "Powder Coating" is.  I always thought it
> was like
> spray painting but, apparently, not.
> What's the idea of using heat ?
> The powder IS sprayed on - RIGHT ?
> Isn't it just like paint but tougher ?
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com
>  ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -
>  \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>
> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:50:40 -0500 "Ted Brookover"
> <ignitors at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> > When I was in the Radiator repair business, a fellow brought in the
> > radiator
> > and overflow tank from a 56 T Bird he was restoring. I odered him a
> > new core
> > for the radiator and re-soldered all the seams and installed a new
> > neck on
> > the overflow tank. He had asked that I not paint either piece, so I
> > guessed
> > he was going to have his paint guy do a really fine job on them.
> >
> > A few days later he walked in with the overflow tank, and wanted to
> > know if
> > I thought it could be saved, he had taken it to the powder coater
> > and they
> > melted all the solder out of the seams and the new neck fell off.
> > Ted Brookover
> > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
> > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
> > 816-763-3142
> > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page,
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
> > Ignitor ID Page,
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm
> >
> > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> > To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:19 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
> >
> >
> > > Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and
> > since I
> > > have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to
> > the
> > group.
> > > Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out?
> > I know
> > you
> > > have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that
> > somewhere
> > out
> > > in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and
> > submitted
> > > his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just
> > once
> > but
> > > still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
> > >
> > > Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year
> > but I
> > don't
> > > remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight,
> > hearing, and
> > > reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has
> > done this
> > > let me hear about your results.
> > >
> > > I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have
> > someone
> > that
> > > has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost
> > for a
> > > normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder,
> > at
> > least
> > > not just yet.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jun 25 14:02:42 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:02:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
In-Reply-To: <001601c45af6$b73d7790$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>
Message-ID: <000601c45af7$c38b8860$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

Ted - what about "fuel proofness"?
I've found the enamel will wrinkle and lift, even if left sit for a few
weeks prior to use.
Comments?

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ted Brookover
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 3:55 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines


It starts out as a powder Joe, and is applied with the aid of electrostatic
charging, but must be "Baked" the powder melts and runs together forming a
porcelain like surface that is just about bullet proof.

It's great for items that are likely to get chipped like motor cycle frames
or hot rod chassis parts, but to me it is way more expense and trouble than
what is needed for a gas engine.

I have for years been using Dupont Centari acrylic enamel applied to a
sandblasted engine block with NO primer, that's right, I said NO Primer.

This makes for a very tuff finish that will not chip like it will if you put
the soft primer under it.

Ted Brookover
4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
816-763-3142
ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page,
http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines


> Hi Guys -
> Good point on the radiator, Ted.
> Happens alot on re-chroming - the brass gets eaten in the acid.
>
> In any case - I don't know what "Powder Coating" is.  I always thought 
> it was like spray painting but, apparently, not.
> What's the idea of using heat ?
> The powder IS sprayed on - RIGHT ?
> Isn't it just like paint but tougher ?
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com
>  ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -
>  \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>
> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:50:40 -0500 "Ted Brookover" 
> <ignitors at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> > When I was in the Radiator repair business, a fellow brought in the 
> > radiator and overflow tank from a 56 T Bird he was restoring. I 
> > odered him a new core
> > for the radiator and re-soldered all the seams and installed a new
> > neck on
> > the overflow tank. He had asked that I not paint either piece, so I
> > guessed
> > he was going to have his paint guy do a really fine job on them.
> >
> > A few days later he walked in with the overflow tank, and wanted to 
> > know if I thought it could be saved, he had taken it to the powder 
> > coater and they
> > melted all the solder out of the seams and the new neck fell off.
> > Ted Brookover
> > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
> > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
> > 816-763-3142
> > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page,
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
> > Ignitor ID Page,
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm
> >
> > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> > To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:19 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
> >
> >
> > > Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and
> > since I
> > > have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to
> > the
> > group.
> > > Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out?
> > I know
> > you
> > > have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that
> > somewhere
> > out
> > > in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and
> > submitted
> > > his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just
> > once
> > but
> > > still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
> > >
> > > Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year
> > but I
> > don't
> > > remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight,
> > hearing, and
> > > reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has
> > done this
> > > let me hear about your results.
> > >
> > > I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have
> > someone
> > that
> > > has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost
> > for a
> > > normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder,
> > at
> > least
> > > not just yet.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 25 14:31:41 2004
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:31:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Rivets
Message-ID: <001c01c45afb$cf67e440$fcf5f504@x8h7l9>

I was replacing the bearing in an idler pulley today and when I went to rivet it back together I was stumped. How does one form the nice rounded head on the rivets? I have the rivets that fit the hole but I have never had a special tool to form the heads. The rivets I have are hollow.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT





From ignitors at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jun 25 15:05:15 2004
From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:05:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
References: <000601c45af7$c38b8860$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>
Message-ID: <000701c45b00$7f092590$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>

Centari used with the hardener will not be bothered by Gasolene.

Ted Brookover
4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
816-763-3142
ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page,
http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 4:02 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines


> Ted - what about "fuel proofness"?
> I've found the enamel will wrinkle and lift, even if left sit for a few
> weeks prior to use.
> Comments?
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ted
Brookover
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 3:55 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
>
>
> It starts out as a powder Joe, and is applied with the aid of
electrostatic
> charging, but must be "Baked" the powder melts and runs together forming a
> porcelain like surface that is just about bullet proof.
>
> It's great for items that are likely to get chipped like motor cycle
frames
> or hot rod chassis parts, but to me it is way more expense and trouble
than
> what is needed for a gas engine.
>
> I have for years been using Dupont Centari acrylic enamel applied to a
> sandblasted engine block with NO primer, that's right, I said NO Primer.
>
> This makes for a very tuff finish that will not chip like it will if you
put
> the soft primer under it.
>
> Ted Brookover
> 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
> Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
> 816-763-3142
> ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page,
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
> Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm
>
> This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 2:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
>
>
> > Hi Guys -
> > Good point on the radiator, Ted.
> > Happens alot on re-chroming - the brass gets eaten in the acid.
> >
> > In any case - I don't know what "Powder Coating" is.  I always thought
> > it was like spray painting but, apparently, not.
> > What's the idea of using heat ?
> > The powder IS sprayed on - RIGHT ?
> > Isn't it just like paint but tougher ?
> >
> > Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> > jlb94 at juno.com
> >  ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -
> >  \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "
> >  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> >
> > On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:50:40 -0500 "Ted Brookover"
> > <ignitors at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> > > When I was in the Radiator repair business, a fellow brought in the
> > > radiator and overflow tank from a 56 T Bird he was restoring. I
> > > odered him a new core
> > > for the radiator and re-soldered all the seams and installed a new
> > > neck on
> > > the overflow tank. He had asked that I not paint either piece, so I
> > > guessed
> > > he was going to have his paint guy do a really fine job on them.
> > >
> > > A few days later he walked in with the overflow tank, and wanted to
> > > know if I thought it could be saved, he had taken it to the powder
> > > coater and they
> > > melted all the solder out of the seams and the new neck fell off.
> > > Ted Brookover
> > > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
> > > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
> > > 816-763-3142
> > > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page,
> > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
> > > Ignitor ID Page,
> > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm
> > >
> > > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> > > To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:19 AM
> > > Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and
> > > since I
> > > > have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to
> > > the
> > > group.
> > > > Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out?
> > > I know
> > > you
> > > > have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that
> > > somewhere
> > > out
> > > > in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and
> > > submitted
> > > > his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just
> > > once
> > > but
> > > > still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
> > > >
> > > > Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year
> > > but I
> > > don't
> > > > remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight,
> > > hearing, and
> > > > reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has
> > > done this
> > > > let me hear about your results.
> > > >
> > > > I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have
> > > someone
> > > that
> > > > has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost
> > > for a
> > > > normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder,
> > > at
> > > least
> > > > not just yet.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > SEL mailing list
> > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> > >
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>
>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jun 25 15:18:24 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:18:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Balls
References: <022101c4598d$05e6f760$0400a8c0@Dave>
	<000901c459e3$a4e16660$afaafea9@nemesis>
Message-ID: <043b01c45b02$5566a8f0$0400a8c0@Dave>

> Hi Dave, If it keeps raining & windy the way it has for the last few days,
Arnie
> will be coming back to the USA with his balls well washed & blow dried.
8^)
> Dave Croft.

Hi Dave,
    Arnie has come back to our motel at engine shows many times like that in
the USA. I had no idea that the same service was available in the UK!
    Dave



From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 25 15:37:20 2004
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:37:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Rivets
In-Reply-To: <001c01c45afb$cf67e440$fcf5f504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <20040625223720.60388.qmail@web14101.mail.yahoo.com>

Ed,
There are anvils available that form the round head. There also is backup anvils to keep the rivit head shape on the other side.
Ron

ED <edstoller at earthlink.net> wrote:
I was replacing the bearing in an idler pulley today and when I went to rivet it back together I was stumped. How does one form the nice rounded head on the rivets? I have the rivets that fit the hole but I have never had a special tool to form the heads. The rivets I have are hollow.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT



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From BetCleve321 at aol.com  Fri Jun 25 15:38:57 2004
From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:38:57 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Balls
Message-ID: <164.312fb478.2e0e0381@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/25/2004 6:21:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
rotigel at alltel.net writes:

Arnie
> will be coming back to the USA with his balls well washed  & blow dried.
8^)



"BALLS"! Said the Queen. "If I had two, I'd be King".
 
Anybody care to finish that?
 
 
Skip


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Fri Jun 25 15:50:28 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:50:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
In-Reply-To: <001801c45ae5$50a1ad00$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>
References: <00a301c45ab7$1ec79d90$c9f70cd1@VAIO>
	<001801c45ae5$50a1ad00$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>
Message-ID: <0DBB1957-C6FA-11D8-AE6E-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> A few days later he walked in with the overflow tank, and wanted to 
> know if
> I thought it could be saved, he had taken it to the powder coater and 
> they
> melted all the solder out of the seams and the new neck fell off.

I was wondering if this might be risky to solder and babbitt.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Fri Jun 25 15:53:10 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:53:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Balls
In-Reply-To: <043b01c45b02$5566a8f0$0400a8c0@Dave>
References: <022101c4598d$05e6f760$0400a8c0@Dave>
	<000901c459e3$a4e16660$afaafea9@nemesis>
	<043b01c45b02$5566a8f0$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <6EC028BA-C6FA-11D8-AE6E-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

>> Hi Dave, If it keeps raining & windy the way it has for the last few 
>> days,
> Arnie
>> will be coming back to the USA with his balls well washed & blow 
>> dried.
> 8^)
>> Dave Croft.

I thought Arnie'd shot his balls away with his cannon.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 25 16:07:13 2004
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 19:07:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Rivets
References: <20040625223720.60388.qmail@web14101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c45b09$27d329c0$fcf5f504@x8h7l9>

Hi Ron,

Would Sears sell these anvils? I guess it would look like a center punch of
drive pin.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Rivets


> Ed,
> There are anvils available that form the round head. There also is backup
anvils to keep the rivit head shape on the other side.
> Ron
>
> ED <edstoller at earthlink.net> wrote:
> I was replacing the bearing in an idler pulley today and when I went to
rivet it back together I was stumped. How does one form the nice rounded
head on the rivets? I have the rivets that fit the hole but I have never had
a special tool to form the heads. The rivets I have are hollow.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
>
>
>
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>
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 25 17:22:56 2004
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:22:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Rivets
In-Reply-To: <004c01c45b09$27d329c0$fcf5f504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <20040626002256.73634.qmail@web14106.mail.yahoo.com>

Ed,
I doubt that Sears would have them. I'd try an industrial supply house od MSC or Mcmaster-Carr.
Ron

ED <edstoller at earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi Ron,

Would Sears sell these anvils? I guess it would look like a center punch of
drive pin.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Rivets


> Ed,
> There are anvils available that form the round head. There also is backup
anvils to keep the rivit head shape on the other side.
> Ron
>
> ED wrote:
> I was replacing the bearing in an idler pulley today and when I went to
rivet it back together I was stumped. How does one form the nice rounded
head on the rivets? I have the rivets that fit the hole but I have never had
a special tool to form the heads. The rivets I have are hollow.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 25 17:57:39 2004
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:57:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Rivets
In-Reply-To: <20040626002256.73634.qmail@web14106.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040626005739.76885.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com>

I have been looking for tools for setting large solid rivets, stuff in the
1/4" to 1/2" range, and have not found a source. I have some work I would
like to do that will require rivets and would be interested in knowing of
a supplier of tools. Worst case scenario is that I would have to make
them, but I know nothing of it and hate to reinvent the wheel. Like so
many things, I think the process is empirical.
Joe
--- "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ed,
> I doubt that Sears would have them. I'd try an industrial supply house
> od MSC or Mcmaster-Carr.
> Ron
> 
> ED <edstoller at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi Ron,
> 
> Would Sears sell these anvils? I guess it would look like a center punch
> of
> drive pin.
> 
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" 
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 6:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Rivets
> 
> 
> > Ed,
> > There are anvils available that form the round head. There also is
> backup
> anvils to keep the rivit head shape on the other side.
> > Ron
> >
> > ED wrote:
> > I was replacing the bearing in an idler pulley today and when I went
> to
> rivet it back together I was stumped. How does one form the nice rounded
> head on the rivets? I have the rivets that fit the hole but I have never
> had
> a special tool to form the heads. The rivets I have are hollow.
> >
> > Ed Stoller
> > New Fairfield, CT
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > Ron Frost
> > Kersey, PA
> > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
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> 
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From pmaples at anaxis.net  Fri Jun 25 18:52:06 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 20:52:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating
Message-ID: <00ef01c45b20$32ca0d00$d5f70cd1@VAIO>

Thanks guys for all of the interesting comments on this subject, I have read
and enjoyed each one of them. It looks like SEL is alive and well and this
is great.

Paul




From pmaples at anaxis.net  Fri Jun 25 19:02:53 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:02:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Transporation Help
Message-ID: <010101c45b21$b438db90$d5f70cd1@VAIO>

Hey guys I fell into a heck of a deal on a small corn chopper, a lady had it
and basically just wanted to get rid of it and my good friend George
Woodzell who lives in Schenectady, New York picked it up for me in the back
of his station wagon and now has it stored in his barn. I am looking for
someone who can pick it up at George's house and either bring it to Portland
for me or get it closer to Portland for me. He hauled it in the back of his
Volvo Station Wagon so it will easily fit into any small truck.  Can anyone
help?




From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Jun 25 19:29:41 2004
From: frappi at wcoil.com (frappi at wcoil.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:29:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine in Washington State USA 
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040625222941.008a5ce0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi All, I just got this engine is Auburn, WA. and Is there anyone near
there that could use the left  over parts? Or pick it up and bring it along
to Portland Show in August? Or any points further east then it is? The
seller is removing the mag and bracket and the carb and shipping those
parts to me and he is going to scrap the rest if nothing happens. Anyone
want the rest? Its a drag saw, most likely a Wade. Looks like good parts.
If I can't get a ride for it or nobody wants the rest its gonna be scrapped. 
I'd like to have the whole thing but shipping is too much to invest unless
I can get a ride for it              The fellow who has the engine goes
July 10 & 11 to Shelton, Washington. This may help some. 
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3822391797>

                                 Help, Thanks,  Maytag Mark



Mark Shulaw            GOD BLESS THE USA! 
454 Co. Rd. 33              
Bluffton, Ohio 45817        <frappi at wcoil.com>  419-358-5206



From falcon at telenet.net  Fri Jun 25 19:59:42 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:59:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Rivets
References: <20040626005739.76885.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004801c45b29$a1d823e0$025c14d0@net.telenet.net>

REAL easy to make rivet sets. First you need a good solid punch that is
about 50% larger that the finished rivet head. Then you need a drill
press and a set of V block to hold the punch vertical under the drill
chuck. Now use a GOOD carbide bit and oil to drill a starter hole in the
tip of the punch GO SLOW. You want to stop when the hole is JUST as
large as the outside of the finished head. Now take a piece of hardened
steel that has been ground into the final shape of the head, coat it
with some valve grinding compound and use it in place of the drill to
finish the hole. (OR you can cheat and use a Dremel or similar
grindstone to do the same thing. This gives you a hammer powered set.
You can do the same thing to a hunk of steel to act as the backer block.
For powered use start with an air hammer punch instead. I have some up
to 9/16" that are used in an air hammer (I also have an old CP riveter
that handles up to 5/16")

OR buy a set from Snap-On.

Now if your going to be using these tools to set rivets on mower
sections you can buy a tool that looks like a chain breaker that will
set those rivets easier, I think Tractor Supply carries that one. They
used to have regular rivet set punches too but I haven't looked in a
while.

Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Prindle" <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Rivets


> I have been looking for tools for setting large solid rivets, stuff in
the
> 1/4" to 1/2" range, and have not found a source. I have some work I
would
> like to do that will require rivets and would be interested in knowing
of
> a supplier of tools. Worst case scenario is that I would have to make
> them, but I know nothing of it and hate to reinvent the wheel. Like so
> many things, I think the process is empirical.
> Joe
> --- "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Ed,
> > I doubt that Sears would have them. I'd try an industrial supply
house
> > od MSC or Mcmaster-Carr.
> > Ron
> >
> > ED <edstoller at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Hi Ron,
> >
> > Would Sears sell these anvils? I guess it would look like a center
punch
> > of
> > drive pin.
> >
> > Ed Stoller
> > New Fairfield, CT
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA"
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 6:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Rivets
> >
> >
> > > Ed,
> > > There are anvils available that form the round head. There also is
> > backup
> > anvils to keep the rivit head shape on the other side.
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > ED wrote:
> > > I was replacing the bearing in an idler pulley today and when I
went
> > to
> > rivet it back together I was stumped. How does one form the nice
rounded
> > head on the rivets? I have the rivets that fit the hole but I have
never
> > had
> > a special tool to form the heads. The rivets I have are hollow.
> > >
> > > Ed Stoller
> > > New Fairfield, CT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ron Frost
> > > Kersey, PA
> > >
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0
> > >
> > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
> > >
> > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
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> >
> >   http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jun 25 20:22:29 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:22:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
Message-ID: <20040625.232327.1156.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Steve & Ted for informing me that Powder Coating is done with a
"plasticized powder".  I didn't know that.  Now I understand the "heat"
aspect of it.

Must be rather expensive also.

I had seen painters spray file cabinets in an office using an
electrostatic charge to 
make the paint attract to the metal, to eliminate over spray, but that
didn't need heat.

Thanks again.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
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\/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sat Jun 26 00:39:58 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 09:39:58 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <001201c45b50$c83515d0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Trying again.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Fri Jun 25 13:24:51 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:24:51 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <001c01c45af2$780f9890$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

T b or N tb.

J.H



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Fri Jun 25 07:24:49 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:24:49 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Only testing.
Message-ID: <000701c45ac0$2c6edc20$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Missing post.
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Thu Jun 24 01:30:30 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:30:30 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Balls
References: <022101c4598d$05e6f760$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <000901c459c5$82d87630$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Hi Dave, you better let Rob send them straight away to this
side of the big pond. Now he is in the UK he needs them
more than ever.

John H.



Hi Rob,
    Please send me one set of balls. I don't need any at the moment, but I
know that Arnie is having a bit of trouble with his balls.    

Dave.



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jun 26 01:28:18 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 18:28:18 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Hot-Bulb
Message-ID: <200406260828.i5Q8SLpe021525@heavyiron.atis.net>

Here is something you don not see every day, the inside of a Blackstone
hot-bulb.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/04062614.JPG
The one off my engine has been cut in half to allow a pattern to be made.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/04062616.JPG
I had thought of repairing the cracks on the outside of it but it would have
failed due to the cracking on the inside.
Here is a picture showing a complete hot-bulb with the sectioned one.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/04062612.JPG


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jun 25 16:09:00 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 09:09:00 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
References: <00a301c45ab7$1ec79d90$c9f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <016f01c45b5c$1b90a680$71111bd3@athlon>

Never had one powder coated but I got some metal garden chairs done.
Wasnt too impressed by the finish.
Two pack paint is on a lot of my models. I have a backscratching mate with
an auto painting business.
Its tough and as good as it gets for me.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jun 26 02:09:32 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 19:09:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Running
Message-ID: <200406260909.i5Q99ZH5024522@heavyiron.atis.net>

A nice clear winter's day today so I rolled a mate's engine out of his shed
for a run. For those of you with broadband (or really patient on dial up) I
have a couple of short videos of the engine running. It is a 1909 Richard
Hornsby Oil Engine:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04062608.AVI
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04062610.AVI
The videos are about 1mb each.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sat Jun 26 03:01:33 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 12:01:33 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Running
References: <200406260909.i5Q99ZH5024522@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <002901c45b64$8fa8d440$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Hi Patrick, looks and sounds good. That little nervy piston
in the second movie, is that the water pump?
Watching your mate in the background, it looks he puts
a sledge hammer in his shirt ( just to borrow I think) :o))

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl



> A nice clear winter's day today so I rolled a mate's engine out of his shed
> for a run. For those of you with broadband (or really patient on dial up) I
> have a couple of short videos of the engine running. It is a 1909 Richard
> Hornsby Oil Engine:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04062608.AVI
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04062610.AVI
> The videos are about 1mb each.
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From oldengines at bigpond.com  Sat Jun 26 03:55:02 2004
From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron & Liz Sullivan)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:55:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Help wanted Fielding& Platt
Message-ID: <00d901c45b6c$0823b550$5ce58690@ronliz1>

Hi All
Need some photo's of a 2hp Fielding  & Platt  to chase some parts.
Thanks 
Ron & Liz Sullivan

From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jun 26 04:22:13 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:22:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Help wanted Fielding& Platt
In-Reply-To: <00d901c45b6c$0823b550$5ce58690@ronliz1>
Message-ID: <200406261122.i5QBMGfh002429@heavyiron.atis.net>

I should be able to get some pictures of one tomorrow :)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----

Hi All
Need some photo's of a 2hp Fielding  & Platt  to chase some parts.
Thanks 
Ron & Liz Sullivan




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jun 26 04:26:12 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:26:12 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Running
In-Reply-To: <002901c45b64$8fa8d440$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <200406261126.i5QBQFl3002782@heavyiron.atis.net>

Hi John,
	The little piston is the water pump. It is driven off an eccentric
on the crankshaft. Only the portable engines were fitted with a water pump.
I hate to think what was going on the background. The mission of the day was
to build the transports for two little Crossleys while I gave the Hornsby a
run in the sun :)
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----

Hi Patrick, looks and sounds good. That little nervy piston
in the second movie, is that the water pump?
Watching your mate in the background, it looks he puts
a sledge hammer in his shirt ( just to borrow I think) :o))

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl






From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Jun 26 04:37:08 2004
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:37:08 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Running
Message-ID: <062620041137.26775.1fd1@mchsi.com>

Hi Patrick,
Great vidio pics, but does this engine run both directions?   Because in your 
first pic it was runing forward and in second one it was runing 
backwards....or was it just the maner you sent the vidio pics?
regards,
Curt
> A nice clear winter's day today so I rolled a mate's engine out of his shed
> for a run. For those of you with broadband (or really patient on dial up) I
> have a couple of short videos of the engine running. It is a 1909 Richard
> Hornsby Oil Engine:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04062608.AVI
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04062610.AVI
> The videos are about 1mb each.
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jun 26 04:52:51 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:52:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Running
In-Reply-To: <062620041137.26775.1fd1@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <200406261152.i5QBqsGp004725@heavyiron.atis.net>

Hi Curt,
	It is probably an optical illusion caused by the frame rate of the
video. It is running in the same direction in both video clips.
We did get it running backwards at one point but it made all sorts of
strange noises as the valve timing is all wrong for backwards running.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----

Hi Patrick,
Great vidio pics, but does this engine run both directions?   Because in
your 
first pic it was runing forward and in second one it was runing 
backwards....or was it just the maner you sent the vidio pics?
regards,
Curt




From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sat Jun 26 05:45:39 2004
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:45:39 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Hot-Bulb
References: <200406260828.i5Q8SLpe021525@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <004f01c45b7b$ab581cc0$326f29cb@oemcomputer>

Very interesting.It will be good to get some cast and get some more engines
of the scrap heap.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 6:28
Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Hot-Bulb


> Here is something you don not see every day, the inside of a Blackstone
> hot-bulb.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/04062614.JPG
> The one off my engine has been cut in half to allow a pattern to be made.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/04062616.JPG
> I had thought of repairing the cracks on the outside of it but it would
have
> failed due to the cracking on the inside.
> Here is a picture showing a complete hot-bulb with the sectioned one.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/04062612.JPG
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jun 26 07:26:34 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 08:26:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Running
References: <200406260909.i5Q99ZH5024522@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV18jXi2QdUeG000143e1@hotmail.com>

That's FANTASTIC Patrick!! Thanks for the mornin' fix.

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 3:09 AM
Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Running


> A nice clear winter's day today so I rolled a mate's engine out of his 
> shed
> for a run. For those of you with broadband (or really patient on dial up) 
> I
> have a couple of short videos of the engine running. It is a 1909 Richard
> Hornsby Oil Engine:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04062608.AVI
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04062610.AVI
> The videos are about 1mb each.
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
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From ivancou at usachoice.net  Sat Jun 26 07:53:58 2004
From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:53:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need Transporation Help
References: <010101c45b21$b438db90$d5f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <000001c45b8d$6a1cb880$ea83fea9@y0y2a7>

Paul , if you can get it to Clarion PA  I can get it to Portland along with
the other stuff I'm hauling .I've already got three boxes for Alen B .
Or if you can get it moved south to Lancaster Pa we'll be out that way in
two weeks  ,well if it would fit into a Cavalier since were taking wifes car
.  Ivan




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jun 26 09:40:08 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:40:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Conn rod slop
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV25HFKpO2DTS000149dd@hotmail.com>

Howdy all, live is good in "The Big Sky."

   Seems to me that the side slop (axial play) in the connecting rod/piston 
assembly is excessive and would lead to premature conn rod bushing wear..in 
other words, one second the conn rod is hugging one side of the piston and 
the next second it moves over to the other side (of the piston).  Down the 
road aways, you'll wind up with an elongated, oval  rod to wrist (grudgeon) 
pin bushing.
   Possibly this is an undue concern and the rod seeks its own center 
(inside the piston).

   Any thot's????

TIA
RickinMt.
PS: Update on Galloway Sawrig.  Main casting mounted on frame.  Thanks to 
Spudhead the major machining repairs have been done.  "She's a lookin' good, 
Momma!!!"..if I do say so myself.  Loads of fun gang  and can't 
wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 


From kerogas at the-i.net  Sat Jun 26 13:31:14 2004
From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:31:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Conn rod slop
References: <BAY3-DAV25HFKpO2DTS000149dd@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001701c45bbc$87a2f700$be02fea9@oemcomputer>




>    Possibly this is an undue concern and the rod seeks its own center
> (inside the piston

It'll stick or bind if it cant flop around , you crank aint perfectly plumb
.
Binding will make it wear out faster . Even in my climate  , I wouldnt sweat
it .
The crank on my stirling is a little out of whack and every once in a while
I have to loosen the screw on the big end bearing and slide it over just a
nudge
or it will slap against the piston at one end of the stroke . tak tak tak
tak tak



From pmaples at anaxis.net  Sat Jun 26 15:06:06 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 17:06:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Transporation Help
References: <010101c45b21$b438db90$d5f70cd1@VAIO>
	<000001c45b8d$6a1cb880$ea83fea9@y0y2a7>
Message-ID: <004501c45bc9$c9fb24d0$e5f70cd1@VAIO>

What about it gang, Ivan said he can get it to Portland if someone can get
it to him at Clarion, Pa. Is there anyone that can haul it to Ivan for me
from Schenectady, New York to Clarion, Pa.

Thanks Ivan for the offer of help, it is greatly appreciated. Hopefully
someone can get it to you.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ivan Cousins" <ivancou at usachoice.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transporation Help


> Paul , if you can get it to Clarion PA  I can get it to Portland along
with
> the other stuff I'm hauling .I've already got three boxes for Alen B .
> Or if you can get it moved south to Lancaster Pa we'll be out that way in
> two weeks  ,well if it would fit into a Cavalier since were taking wifes
car
> .  Ivan
>
>
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Jun 26 19:33:10 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:33:10 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Model 92 Status
Message-ID: <196.2b6fcba2.2e0f8be6@aol.com>

Hi List,
I am working on my third Maytag Model 92.  The other two are running great.  
They start on the first or second kick.  It is a sweet sound to hear the hit 
miss rhythm.  I have no idea how long since these engines last ran.  The first 
one was purchased at Paso Robles Branch 27 swap meet.  The party from whom I 
purchased the engine said that it had been sitting in his garage for 20 years 
and he never ran it.  It needed some ignition and carburetor work.  The second 
unit was obtained from a friend who had no idea when this engine ran the last 
time.  This unit also needed some ignition and carburetor work. Third unit 
also obtained from the same friend.  He picked it up at an old mine site with the 
permission of the owner.  The spark plug wasn't install and as a result water 
got in the cylinder.  Needless to say, the engine was stuck.  Ignition and 
governor parts are also missing.  The flywheel was not installed but was near 
the engine  The gas tank was filled with water.
The first thing I did was to clean the gas tank.  It was a mess.  The 
carburetor is being soaked in thinner.  The screen on the check valve is gone. 
Now I am in the process of getting the piston out of cylinder.  I tried the 
grease gun method and I got the piston to move to the point where the exhaust 
port was uncovered.  That is as far as I could get it to move.  I decided to 
use Paul Pavlinovich's  method to get it out.  I made a 5/16" thick square iron 
plate with 3/8" holes matching the cylinder mating holes.  In the center of 
this plate, a ?" diameter was bored.  I used a one end of ?" all thread rod to 
fashion a "J" hook to fit under the piston pin.  The other end went into the 
center of the plate.  I used 4 short equal lengths of 3/8" pipe as supports 
between the plate and the cylinder which was fastened together with bolts.  The 
distance between the cylinder and the plate is about 6".  Fastening the "J" hook 
under the wrist pin and, then, a ?" nut was installed on the other end.  
Turning this nut, causes a pulling force to be applied to piston.  I got the 
piston to move about 3/8" before the "J" hook gave way.  Well, tomorrow is another 
day.
By the way, anyone have an extra set of points and governor parts for a 
Maytag 92?
  


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jun 26 19:35:47 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:35:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Conn rod slop
References: <BAY3-DAV25HFKpO2DTS000149dd@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <059a01c45bef$747c21a0$0400a8c0@Dave>

> Howdy all, live is good in "The Big Sky."
>
>    Seems to me that the side slop (axial play) in the connecting
rod/piston
> assembly is excessive and would lead to premature conn rod bushing
wear..in
> other words, one second the conn rod is hugging one side of the piston and
> the next second it moves over to the other side (of the piston).  Down the
> road aways, you'll wind up with an elongated, oval  rod to wrist
(grudgeon)
> pin bushing.
>    Possibly this is an undue concern and the rod seeks its own center
> (inside the piston).
>    Any thot's????
> TIA
> RickinMt.
Hi Rick,
    The con rod of which you speak has been doing what you describe for the
past 80 years. Now you, as the new owner, think it's a problem! I suspect
that it will last about another 80 years. At that point you will need to
replace it!
    Dave



From bill at antique-engines.com  Sat Jun 26 20:53:39 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:53:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sale stuff posted in forum
In-Reply-To: <004501c45bc9$c9fb24d0$e5f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <001b01c45bfa$56903720$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

.........http://www.oldengine.org/members/billd/forum/default.asp

Recent posting, looks like some goodies will be sold.

Bill



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jun 26 21:53:39 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 00:53:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Model 92 Status
In-Reply-To: <196.2b6fcba2.2e0f8be6@aol.com>
References: <196.2b6fcba2.2e0f8be6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F4E12DB4-C7F5-11D8-B13E-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Good work, Francis! I like that idea of pulling the piston with the J'd 
allthread. Hadn't seen it before.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Jun 26 22:55:24 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:55:24 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Model 92 Status
Message-ID: <190.2b71acbe.2e0fbb4c@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/26/2004 9:58:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
johnculp at chartertn.net writes:
I like that idea of pulling the piston with the J'd 
allthread. Hadn't seen it before.
John,
Here is the article that Paul wrote.

Steam & Engine of Australia - Restoration of a Maytag model 92
<http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/restore/maytag/>

Paul did an excellent job on the engine and the article.  I picked up several 
important pointers from the article.


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jun 27 06:53:35 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 09:53:35 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Rivets
Message-ID: <1d7.24b47b36.2e102b5f@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/25/2004 8:26:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
ron217_2000 at yahoo.com writes:

<< Would Sears sell these anvils? I guess it would look like a center punch of
 drive pin. >>


Rivet anvils are also used to replace hay mower sections on the blades, so 
you might check a farm supply house.  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Jun 27 09:05:57 2004
From: frappi at wcoil.com (frappi at wcoil.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:05:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re:Maytag Model 92 Status-Getting it loose
In-Reply-To: <200406271000.i5RA0Hs5017242@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040627120557.008ac680@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi Francis, 
 Well part or your battle is done ,the piston is moving. Once I get the
piston to move any at all what I do next has worked very well, Many times
in the past for me.  
 You will need the crankshaft in the block with the bearing housing bolted
in place, We also want the tank top plate bolted up to the block then bolt
the rod back up to the crankshaft and bolt the cylinder back up to the
block. Then reinstall the flywheel back onto the crankshaft with the key in
place and tighten the nut back up so that the flywheel is firmly tightened
back up onto the crankshaft. Its not necessary to have the ignition plate
in place. Now at this point I bolt the assembly to my work bench which is
2x6 plank top bench with the flywheel hanging over the side of the bench.
Once its bolted down this make it so that you can grab the flywheel like a
ships wheel and start applying force backwards and forwards. Since you have
it moved partly out move it back again, this will start working more grease
between the piston and cylinder. I know it seems odd to move it back to
where you just moved it from but trust me it will be way easier to move it
forward the second time then it was the first and it will work out a bit
more every time too. Now work it back and forth, back and forth. Soon you
will have the piston doing what it should. If need be to get it moving
backwards again I use a 1/2" brass rod and pound on the crankthrow to move
the piston backwards. You will be surprised at how quick it will start
moving again. It would be preferreable to be able to get thinner lube into
it now rather then the grease but it may work fine with the grease.     
 As many of you who know me know I've worked on more then my share of these
little engines and for me this method works well and is one of the easier
ways I know on really stuck engines, and since I'm a very lazy person I
find the easiest ways. There is one other way I use on rare occasion but
its not for the faint of heart and takes some special equipment that not
all have.    

                                  Goodluck,   Maytag Mark

>Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:33:10 EDT
>From: FRM8198 at aol.com
>Subject: [SEL] Maytag Model 92 Status
>
>Hi List,
>I tried the 
>grease gun method and I got the piston to move to the point where the
exhaust 
>port was uncovered.  That is as far as I could get it to move.  I decided to 
>use Paul Pavlinovich's  method to get it out.  I made a 5/16" thick square
iron 
>plate with 3/8" holes matching the cylinder mating holes.  In the center of 
>this plate, a ?" diameter was bored.  I used a one end of ?" all thread
rod to 
>fashion a "J" hook to fit under the piston pin.  The other end went into the 
>center of the plate.  I used 4 short equal lengths of 3/8" pipe as supports 
>between the plate and the cylinder which was fastened together with bolts.
 The 
>distance between the cylinder and the plate is about 6".  Fastening the
"J" hook 
>under the wrist pin and, then, a ?" nut was installed on the other end.  
>Turning this nut, causes a pulling force to be applied to piston.  I got the 
>piston to move about 3/8" before the "J" hook gave way.  Well, tomorrow is
another 
>day.
>By the way, anyone have an extra set of points and governor parts for a 
>Maytag 92?
>  
>Francis Maciel
>Santa Maria, California
>
Mark A. Shulaw              GOD BLESS THE USA
454 Co.Rd. 33
Bluffton, Ohio 45817             frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for                 Ask Me About The 
Maytag Multi-Motor parts and accessories.        Maytag Collectors Club
Parts lists available on request.               <http://www.maytagclub.com/>
 
  




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jun 27 09:43:00 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:43:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re:Maytag Model 92 Status-Getting it loose
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040627120557.008ac680@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <3.0.6.32.20040627120557.008ac680@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <0D5F87E2-C859-11D8-8A10-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>


On Jun 27, 2004, at 12:05 PM, frappi at wcoil.com wrote:

> There is one other way I use on rare occasion but
> its not for the faint of heart and takes some special equipment that 
> not
> all have.
>
>                                   Goodluck,   Maytag Mark

Dynamite, blasting cap, crank generator?

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Jun 27 10:44:08 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:44:08 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Re:Maytag Model 92 Status-Getting it loose
Message-ID: <1d0.2483222e.2e106168@aol.com>

Hi List,
The piston is out and soaking in thinner.  Like Mark mentioned in his 
message, once it start to move and using back and forth motion on it, it came out.  
The tool I built worked like a charm.  


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From edstoller at earthlink.net  Sun Jun 27 14:12:18 2004
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:12:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Model 92 Status
References: <196.2b6fcba2.2e0f8be6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005b01c45c8b$6ede79e0$ee8ff504@x8h7l9>

Francis,

If you get the piston to move at all, just put p-oil on it and move it back
and forth. It should get progressively looser.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:33 PM
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Model 92 Status


Hi List,
I am working on my third Maytag Model 92.  The other two are running great.
They start on the first or second kick.  It is a sweet sound to hear the hit
miss rhythm.  I have no idea how long since these engines last ran.  The
first
one was purchased at Paso Robles Branch 27 swap meet.  The party from whom I
purchased the engine said that it had been sitting in his garage for 20
years
and he never ran it.  It needed some ignition and carburetor work.  The
second
unit was obtained from a friend who had no idea when this engine ran the
last
time.  This unit also needed some ignition and carburetor work. Third unit
also obtained from the same friend.  He picked it up at an old mine site
with the
permission of the owner.  The spark plug wasn't install and as a result
water
got in the cylinder.  Needless to say, the engine was stuck.  Ignition and
governor parts are also missing.  The flywheel was not installed but was
near
the engine  The gas tank was filled with water.
The first thing I did was to clean the gas tank.  It was a mess.  The
carburetor is being soaked in thinner.  The screen on the check valve is
gone.
Now I am in the process of getting the piston out of cylinder.  I tried the
grease gun method and I got the piston to move to the point where the
exhaust
port was uncovered.  That is as far as I could get it to move.  I decided to
use Paul Pavlinovich's  method to get it out.  I made a 5/16" thick square
iron
plate with 3/8" holes matching the cylinder mating holes.  In the center of
this plate, a ?" diameter was bored.  I used a one end of ?" all thread rod
to
fashion a "J" hook to fit under the piston pin.  The other end went into the
center of the plate.  I used 4 short equal lengths of 3/8" pipe as supports
between the plate and the cylinder which was fastened together with bolts.
The
distance between the cylinder and the plate is about 6".  Fastening the "J"
hook
under the wrist pin and, then, a ?" nut was installed on the other end.
Turning this nut, causes a pulling force to be applied to piston.  I got the
piston to move about 3/8" before the "J" hook gave way.  Well, tomorrow is
another
day.
By the way, anyone have an extra set of points and governor parts for a
Maytag 92?



Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California
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From alanb2 at webtv.net  Sun Jun 27 14:28:42 2004
From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:28:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Any good topics yesterday or today?
Message-ID: <15385-40DF3C0A-1959@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net>

Howdy Folks,

I had mail turned off while I drove down to central Missouri yesterday
and back today.

The quick trip was to pick up my Mom who was spending some time down
there with family.  It was a quick visit, but there was a side
benifit,,,,,,,,

On the way down I dropped into the engine show in Sandwich, Illinois
that Steve Barr invited us all to.

Steve was a good host for the couple hours I had to spend there.

I saw a nice group of fine engines, but my favorite was a display of
about ten flywheel engines that were ALL running.

They were not all engines I would like to have, but it was a sweet sound
with them all running together each with their own rythum.

What I want to say here,,,,,,
Please speak up and mention any show or swap meet you know about,
You just never can tell when one of us are headed on a road trip for any
reason and would like to drop by a show to break up the trip with some
fun. 8>))

Alan Bowen  alanb2 at webtv.net
Williamsburg, Michigan



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jun 27 14:38:14 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:38:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re:Maytag Model 92 Status-Getting it loose
In-Reply-To: <1d0.2483222e.2e106168@aol.com>
References: <1d0.2483222e.2e106168@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B54F230-C882-11D8-BC99-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Great!

John

On Jun 27, 2004, at 1:44 PM, FRM8198 at aol.com wrote:

> Hi List,
> The piston is out and soaking in thinner.  Like Mark mentioned in his
> message, once it start to move and using back and forth motion on it, 
> it came out.
> The tool I built worked like a charm.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From alanb2 at webtv.net  Sun Jun 27 15:10:17 2004
From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 18:10:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show Photos
In-Reply-To: Steve Barr <stevebarr@ameritech.net>'s message of Fri, 25 Jun
	2004 04:45:11 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <15386-40DF45C9-1197@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net>

Hi Steve, or other list folks,,,

Is there any more info on this Graham Bradley tractor?

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004LyonsFarmSpringShow/34.JPG

Any relation to Graham Paige or David Bradley?

I have a Graham Paige engine on a Keiser Frazier Rototiller and we have
all seen the David Bradley walk behind garden tracors.

I am wondering if some of them folks got together and made that tractor.
?????

TIA for any info.

Alan Bowen  alanb2 at webtv.net
Williamsburg, Michigan



From ozengine at yahoo.com.au  Sun Jun 27 17:02:29 2004
From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:02:29 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re:Balls
Message-ID: <20040628000229.10622.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com>

G'day John and Arnie

In Oz we might call that a Ballsup.

Graham in Oz


Message: 28
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:53:10 -0400
From: John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Balls


I thought Arnie'd shot his balls away with his cannon.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


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From ozengine at yahoo.com.au  Sun Jun 27 17:07:26 2004
From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:07:26 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Blackstone hot bulbs
Message-ID: <20040628000726.26402.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Patrick

I know a bloke down here who has already had some
blackstone hot bulbs cast. Are they all the same size
regardless of HP?

Graham in Melb. (Oz)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 6:28
Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Hot-Bulb


> Here is something you don not see every day, the
inside of a 
Blackstone
> hot-bulb.
> 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/04062614.JPG
> The one off my engine has been cut in half to allow
a pattern 
to be made.


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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Jun 27 18:14:35 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:14:35 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Re:Maytag Model 92 Status-Getting it loose
Message-ID: <6b.2cf3472a.2e10cafb@aol.com>

Hi List,
Now that the piston is out, I have gotten the rings loose and most of rust 
out of the combustion chamber.
I was able get the rusted rings loose by carefully inserting a tie-rap under 
each ring to force the rings out of grooves.  I was looking for something that 
was flexible and stiff.  The tie-rap was the answer as I didn't want to break 
any ring.
The top of the piston was covered with rust.  This has been removed.
I hope to start reassembling the engine this week.  Since I don't have a 
complete magneto for this engine, I intend to temporarily use one from the other 
engines.
I have cleaned the gas tank.  It was a mess.  After removing the rusty crud, 
I used muriatic acid to seal it.  I made sure that drain plug was removable.
Luckly, I happen to have another carburetor.  I have already checked it out 
on one the running engine.


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From skipl at montana.com  Sun Jun 27 21:03:37 2004
From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:03:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] list
Message-ID: <40DF9899.2EF83A0C@montana.com>

i was getting the individual postings which is what i prefer. then i
wasn't getting any, now i'm getting them batched together. what did i
do, how can i fix it. thanks,  skip




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jun 27 23:15:33 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:15:33 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Blackstone hot bulbs
In-Reply-To: <20040628000726.26402.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200406280615.i5S6FWJe023104@heavyiron.atis.net>

Hi Graham,
	I have been told that the 3hp and 4hp hot-bulbs are different
(though they can be made to fit with modification). The 8hp hot-bulb is
definitely bigger than the 4hp but the 10hp is the same as the 8hp. I am not
sure about the middle sized engines.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----
Hi Patrick

I know a bloke down here who has already had some
blackstone hot bulbs cast. Are they all the same size
regardless of HP?

Graham in Melb. (Oz)





From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun 28 00:07:07 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:07:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Vista, California
Message-ID: <200406280707.i5S77BTm025307@heavyiron.atis.net>

G'day mates!
For your consideration, pictures from this weekend and
last:
http://engines.rustyiron.com/vista04a

If you see errors or omissions, please let me know.
Thanks,
Rob



From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Mon Jun 28 00:17:38 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:17:38 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Re: Vista, California
In-Reply-To: <B0017628078@mail.tbbs.net>
References: <B0017628078@mail.tbbs.net>
Message-ID: <rdhvd0lorq3094o9sh6r8ah7ithaui6rl8@4ax.com>

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:07:07 -0700, you wrote:

>G'day mates!
>For your consideration, pictures from this weekend and
>last:
>http://engines.rustyiron.com/vista04a
>
>If you see errors or omissions, please let me know.
>Thanks,
>Rob

Liked Kelley with the grader, Ron's engine and the Venn-Severin engine.

Was the Venn-Severin a runner?

Peter

--
Peter & Rita Forbes
diesel at easynet.co.uk
Engine pages for preservation info:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jun 28 00:51:59 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:51:59 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fielding & Platt
Message-ID: <200406280752.i5S7pwYt027071@heavyiron.atis.net>

Here are some pictures of Ron Sullivan's recently acquired Fielding & Platt
which we think is 2hp.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/04062701.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/04062702.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/04062703.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/04062703.JPG

A carby has been bolted to the end of the air intake pipe and the engine has
been run like this. There is some sort of vaporiser missing from the front
of the engine as is the correct fuel intake assembly. 
Does anyone (especially our English list members) have any pictures,
diagrams, or drawings showing the missing parts? 
Any help would be greatly appreciated as this is a nice little English
engine.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Jun 28 07:40:42 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:40:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Conn rod slop
References: <BAY3-DAV25HFKpO2DTS000149dd@hotmail.com>
	<059a01c45bef$747c21a0$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV26HQNEOafeJ00006dc8@hotmail.com>

Thanks guys!!!
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Conn rod slop


> > Howdy all, live is good in "The Big Sky."
> >
> >    Seems to me that the side slop (axial play) in the connecting
> rod/piston
> > assembly is excessive and would lead to premature conn rod bushing
> wear..in
> > other words, one second the conn rod is hugging one side of the piston 
> > and
> > the next second it moves over to the other side (of the piston).  Down 
> > the
> > road aways, you'll wind up with an elongated, oval  rod to wrist
> (grudgeon)
> > pin bushing.
> >    Possibly this is an undue concern and the rod seeks its own center
> > (inside the piston).
> >    Any thot's????
> > TIA
> > RickinMt.
> Hi Rick,
>     The con rod of which you speak has been doing what you describe for 
> the
> past 80 years. Now you, as the new owner, think it's a problem! I suspect
> that it will last about another 80 years. At that point you will need to
> replace it!
>     Dave
>
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> 


From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Jun 28 07:48:09 2004
From: frappi at wcoil.com (frappi at wcoil.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:48:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re:Maytag Model 92 Status-Getting it loose
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040628104809.008b4320@pop3.wcoil.com>

>> There is one other way I use on rare occasion but
>> its not for the faint of heart and takes some special equipment that 
>> not
>> all have.
>>
>>                                   Goodluck,   Maytag Mark
>
>Dynamite, blasting cap, crank generator?
>
>John Culp
>Bristol, Tennessee, USA
>
>
Hi John, Not quite, GRINNNNNN  Although that would be neat to see..... from
a distance,,,, once. 
 Its a heat and quench thing.           Mark
Mark A. Shulaw              GOD BLESS THE USA
454 Co.Rd. 33
Bluffton, Ohio 45817             frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for                 Ask Me About The 
Maytag Multi-Motor parts and accessories.        Maytag Collectors Club
Parts lists available on request.               <http://www.maytagclub.com/>
 
  



From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Jun 28 07:55:00 2004
From: frappi at wcoil.com (frappi at wcoil.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:55:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New Bulk Mail format
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040628105500.008b5600@pop3.wcoil.com>

Thanks Spencer, 
I am really happy with the new way the bulk mail is set up, each individule
email has a number and the subject lines have a corresponding number to
match. It makes it so much easier to find the specific note one is looking
for.  Thanks to Spencer and anyone else who may be involved for all the
work in keeping this forum going.        
                                  Maytag Mark

Mark Shulaw            GOD BLESS THE USA! 
454 Co. Rd. 33              
Bluffton, Ohio 45817        <frappi at wcoil.com>  419-358-5206



From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Mon Jun 28 10:57:15 2004
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:57:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally
Message-ID: <40E05BFB.2D90CEDD@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Folks

I thought maybe you wouldn't want to wait for Arnie's report of the 2004
1000 Engine Rally at Astle Park.  I mean, some of us may not live that
long!
So, to keep you going until you receive his great words of wisdom on the
subject, you can take a look at my pages:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/astle.htm
Of course, you don't get all the tech stuff from me, but you can enjoy
the pretty pictures anyway!

Dolly

--
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk




From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Mon Jun 28 11:17:00 2004
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:17:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.S.Kelly Vert. Eng.
Message-ID: <09bc01c45d3c$1b09bb20$0301a8c0@ALEC>

Does anyone have info. on this engine that is different than whats in the BYB.???
 Mine appears to be the 2.5 hp version. the flywheels are 2 ft, while the engine is barley 31" tall, 
 I need the rocker arm and bracket, otherwise its a gearless , vert. engine with the original brass water jacket, ( gearless on the outside, as there is a cam that is not on the crankshaft).
 I also cannot figure out the needle valve setup. There is a long tube , like a New Way, etc. that would be 18-20" and the needle valve cant go all that way, so I must be confused because the needle valve is at the top , not the bottom of the setup,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,tks for any help,
 
Alec J. Stevens
Investment Specialist
80 Leighton Road, Suite C
Falmouth, ME 04105
(800)842-6669
(207)797-5169
(207)797-2819

From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jun 28 12:27:11 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:27:11 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Re: Vista, California
Message-ID: <20040628.122711.1084.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Peter.
No the Venn-Severin is not a runner.  It was apart for years, last year
they set the cylinders and heads on, and gave it a paint job to make it
look presentable.  With some work it should run.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:17:38 +0100 Peter A Forbes <diesel at easynet.co.uk>
writes:
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:07:07 -0700, you wrote:
> 
> >G'day mates!
> >For your consideration, pictures from this weekend and
> >last:
> >http://engines.rustyiron.com/vista04a
> >
> >If you see errors or omissions, please let me know.
> >Thanks,
> >Rob
> 
> Liked Kelley with the grader, Ron's engine and the Venn-Severin 
> engine.
> 
> Was the Venn-Severin a runner?
> 
> Peter
> 
> --
> Peter & Rita Forbes
> diesel at easynet.co.uk
> Engine pages for preservation info:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Jun 28 12:52:32 2004
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:52:32 +0000
Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally
Message-ID: <062820041952.1153.dd4@mchsi.com>

Hi Dolly,
Really great pics of the rally especially seeing even more pics of my new 
Lorenz prize.
Thankyou for all the trouble again.
Curt Andree
> Hi Folks
> 
> I thought maybe you wouldn't want to wait for Arnie's report of the 2004
> 1000 Engine Rally at Astle Park.  I mean, some of us may not live that
> long!
> So, to keep you going until you receive his great words of wisdom on the
> subject, you can take a look at my pages:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/astle.htm
> Of course, you don't get all the tech stuff from me, but you can enjoy
> the pretty pictures anyway!
> 
> Dolly
> 
> --
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jun 28 12:59:47 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:59:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally
References: <40E05BFB.2D90CEDD@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <40E078B3.1070505@imc-group.com>

Dolly,
Great photos.
Looks like we need to add Godiva engines to the list of 5 spoke engines 
we were naming a while back.
What is the Cambell engine driving? A dyno?
A pint for breakfast? Whew you Brits have iron stomachs! Or is that an 
Arnie thing?
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Jim French wrote:

>Hi Folks
>
>I thought maybe you wouldn't want to wait for Arnie's report of the 2004
>1000 Engine Rally at Astle Park.  I mean, some of us may not live that
>long!
>So, to keep you going until you receive his great words of wisdom on the
>subject, you can take a look at my pages:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/astle.htm
>Of course, you don't get all the tech stuff from me, but you can enjoy
>the pretty pictures anyway!
>
>Dolly
>
>  
>




From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Mon Jun 28 13:16:02 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:16:02 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Re: Vista, California
In-Reply-To: <20040628.122711.1084.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20040628.122711.1084.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <i2v0e09fdtf19044f1mtj534i21a76fuan@4ax.com>

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:27:11 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi Peter.
>No the Venn-Severin is not a runner.  It was apart for years, last year
>they set the cylinders and heads on, and gave it a paint job to make it
>look presentable.  With some work it should run.
>
>Ron Haskell

Nice to see some of the more obscure engines getting new life brewathed into
them.

What happened with the Lister-Blackstone CD engine ?

Peter

--
Peter & Rita Forbes
diesel at easynet.co.uk
Engine pages for preservation info:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jun 28 13:55:44 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:55:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Lister-Blackstone
Message-ID: <20040628.135545.1084.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hello Peter.  It is sitting on a cart (trolley) jammed up against my
Witte Dieselectric unit.  I need to make carts to separate them so I can
put it back together and start it up.
This is just my second week of summer vacation, so I hope to get to it
soon

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:16:02 +0100 Peter A Forbes <diesel at easynet.co.uk>
writes:
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:27:11 -0700, you wrote:
> 
> Nice to see some of the more obscure engines getting new life 
> brewathed into
> them.
> 
> What happened with the Lister-Blackstone CD engine ?
> 
> Peter
> 
> --
> Peter & Rita Forbes
> diesel at easynet.co.uk
> Engine pages for preservation info:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Jun 28 14:27:14 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:27:14 +0200
Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally
References: <40E05BFB.2D90CEDD@insulate.co.uk> <40E078B3.1070505@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c45d56$ae9c0e50$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Hi Curt,
  The Campbell engine is driving a Waller gas pump.
That's what the engine did for living in Australia.
The  Australian collector Wayne Timms was
also at our International engine rally in Nuenen last
month. It's a 1894 built engine. Another picture can
be seen at this link.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Campbell.jpg

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl



> What is the Cambell engine driving? A dyno?
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC




From andyglines at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 28 14:29:32 2004
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:29:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Small Engine Muffler
Message-ID: <BAY19-F185K9kINc0VU000ab009@hotmail.com>

I need to build a muffler for my 6 HP Wisconsin.  The goal is to be as quiet 
as is practical.  This engine is on my Gard'n Mast'r tractor that I want to 
drive at shows.  I want something that I can talk over while its running.  
Exhaust is 3/4" pipe.  Who has design tips?

_________________________________________________________________
Make the most of your family vacation with tips from the MSN Family Travel 
Guide! http://dollar.msn.com



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Jun 28 14:34:19 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:34:19 +0200
Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally
References: <40E05BFB.2D90CEDD@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <002401c45d57$ab84edd0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Hi Dolly, thanks for the great pictures you took at
    the Astle Park rally. Alot of beauties to see.
Glad Arnie could ride that bike, I think he feels
much better now.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl



> I thought maybe you wouldn't want to wait for Arnie's report of the 2004
> 1000 Engine Rally at Astle Park.  I mean, some of us may not live that
> long!
> So, to keep you going until you receive his great words of wisdom on the
> subject, you can take a look at my pages:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/astle.htm
> Of course, you don't get all the tech stuff from me, but you can enjoy
> the pretty pictures anyway!
> 
> Dolly




From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Mon Jun 28 14:54:44 2004
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:54:44 +0100
Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally
References: <40E05BFB.2D90CEDD@insulate.co.uk> <40E078B3.1070505@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <40E093A4.B75B1BC4@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Curt

Curt Holland wrote:

>
> What is the Cambell engine driving? A dyno?

Oh, please!  You expect me to know such things??  I shall ask the experts ...

Ok, we have a pump.  Don't ask me what sort!  Tomorrow or sometime when we
have time we'll fire up the laptop and see if Arnie's pics included a shot of
the guy's display card.

>
> A pint for breakfast? Whew you Brits have iron stomachs! Or is that an
> Arnie thing?

It was a Dave Croft and Arnie thing.  No-one else could face beer at that
time in the morning!

Dolly

--
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun 28 16:05:38 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:05:38 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally
In-Reply-To: <40E05BFB.2D90CEDD@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200406282305.i5SN5gCO030315@heavyiron.atis.net>


> I thought maybe you wouldn't want to wait for Arnie's
report 
> of the 2004 1000 Engine Rally at Astle Park.  I mean,
some of 
> us may not live that long!
> So, to keep you going until you receive his great words
of 
> wisdom on the subject, you can take a look at my pages:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/astle.htm
> Of course, you don't get all the tech stuff from me, but
you 
> can enjoy the pretty pictures anyway!

Wow.  An attractive web page showing excellent pictures of
fabulous engines.




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun 28 16:40:36 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:40:36 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Small Engine Muffler
In-Reply-To: <BAY19-F185K9kINc0VU000ab009@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <200406282340.i5SNecoH032214@heavyiron.atis.net>

> I need to build a muffler for my 6 HP Wisconsin.  The
goal is 
> to be as quiet as is practical.  This engine is on my
Gard'n 
> Mast'r tractor that I want to drive at shows.  I want 
> something that I can talk over while its running.  
> Exhaust is 3/4" pipe.  Who has design tips?

Hi Andy,
Is the engine at the front of the tractor?  You might want
to consider running it out the back.  If you increase the
size of the pipe to one inch, it will allow the gases to
expand and slow down even more.  Put some kind of a muffler
in the middle of the pipe someplace.  Either use a
commercial muffler, or build something that will disrupt
the sound waves and slow down the travel of the gasses
before they exit the pipe.

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
www.rustyiron.com 















From solarrog at pacbell.net  Mon Jun 28 16:59:49 2004
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:59:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Small Engine Muffler
References: <200406282340.i5SNecoH032214@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <001c01c45d6c$00007e60$4af5c13f@pacbell.net>

Rob swing by your Onan dealer and pick up a RV genset muffler. It will work
just about as good  as anything you will find.

Roger DiRuscio, The Realty Experts. Sales since 1977
contact 510-226-9785  Fremont,Ca 94539
Collector restorer of antique marine engines, Motorscooters, Micro cars
private pilot 1981, Ham radio KG6QKZ
Volunteer  Cert-Comm member, Fremont Fire department.
web site---   scrapologist.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 4:40 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Small Engine Muffler


> > I need to build a muffler for my 6 HP Wisconsin.  The
> goal is
> > to be as quiet as is practical.  This engine is on my
> Gard'n
> > Mast'r tractor that I want to drive at shows.  I want
> > something that I can talk over while its running.
> > Exhaust is 3/4" pipe.  Who has design tips?
>
> Hi Andy,
> Is the engine at the front of the tractor?  You might want
> to consider running it out the back.  If you increase the
> size of the pipe to one inch, it will allow the gases to
> expand and slow down even more.  Put some kind of a muffler
> in the middle of the pipe someplace.  Either use a
> commercial muffler, or build something that will disrupt
> the sound waves and slow down the travel of the gasses
> before they exit the pipe.
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=
> Rob Skinner
> La Habra, California
> www.rustyiron.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 28 17:12:40 2004
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:12:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Small Engine Muffler
In-Reply-To: <BAY19-F185K9kINc0VU000ab009@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040629001240.35831.qmail@web14103.mail.yahoo.com>

Tell you what I did for a 3.5HP Briggs that I wanted quiet. I started  from the engine with  1/2" pipe as that was the size of the engine connection. Out to a piece of 1-1/2"  about 10" long. Calculate the cross sectional area of the 1/2" pipe and then the area of 1/8" holes. Divide the pipe area by the 1/8" area and this will give you the number of holes that equal the exhaust pipe area. Drill this number of holes into a 5 or 6"  end section of the exhaust pipe. Weld a cap on the end of the exhaust pipe, forcing all the exhaust gas through the small 1/8" holes. Weld a washer to one end of the 1-1/2" pipe with a center hole enlarged to fit the 1/2" pipe. Insert the engine end pipe through the washer just past the holes you drilled and weld it in place. Now put the tail pipe into the muffler housing and pack steel wool around it With an inch or two of the tail pipe inserted into the muffler and after it's packed, slide the second washer down as a cap for the outlet end and weld it to
 both the housing and the tail pipe. The big thing to be sure of is not to restrict areas less than what the engine outlet size is. Too much restriction will cause excessive heat and destroy the engine valves and cylinder. A loss of power will also be noticed. I'd also use elbows and nipples to get the muffler down under the tractor and pointed toward the rear.
For 3/4" pipe and 1/8" holes, you will need about 36 holes to equal the exhaust area. You could also go to 1" tail pipe, say 12" long beond the muffler.  
Have fun. Experment.
I'd like to see some pictures of what you end up with.
Ron


Andy Glines <andyglines at hotmail.com> wrote:
I need to build a muffler for my 6 HP Wisconsin. The goal is to be as quiet 
as is practical. This engine is on my Gard'n Mast'r tractor that I want to 
drive at shows. I want something that I can talk over while its running. 
Exhaust is 3/4" pipe. Who has design tips?

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From segray at mlode.com  Mon Jun 28 21:50:42 2004
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:50:42 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Lister-Blackstone
In-Reply-To: <20040628.135545.1084.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20040628.135545.1084.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <40E0F522.2040506@mlode.com>

Hey Ron -

  The CD is a sweet running engine. I just finished  going through an 8 
HP, I think like yours, for a friend of mine. The oil had never been 
changed and was like THICK pudding, resulting is a starved and partially 
pounded out rod bearing. The owner will probably paint it, I just did 
the mechanical. What a beast! The injector nozzle was shot also (water 
had wiped out the needle and seat), but the owner was able to buy a new 
one from an outfit up here in the bay area, so keep it in mind if you 
need to go that route. Cost him about $60 (came from Austria!).

- Steve

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Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
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Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

>Hello Peter.  It is sitting on a cart (trolley) jammed up against my
>Witte Dieselectric unit.  I need to make carts to separate them so I can
>put it back together and start it up.
>This is just my second week of summer vacation, so I hope to get to it
>soon
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside, California
>USA
>
>On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:16:02 +0100 Peter A Forbes <diesel at easynet.co.uk>
>writes:
>  
>
>>On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:27:11 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>>Nice to see some of the more obscure engines getting new life 
>>brewathed into
>>them.
>>
>>What happened with the Lister-Blackstone CD engine ?
>>
>>Peter
>>
>>--
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>>diesel at easynet.co.uk
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>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Tue Jun 29 00:12:45 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:12:45 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Lister-Blackstone
In-Reply-To: <20040628.135545.1084.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20040628.135545.1084.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <fi52e01rde9i1sui13d4alcjm51ve98k2p@4ax.com>

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:55:44 -0700, you wrote:

>Hello Peter.  It is sitting on a cart (trolley) jammed up against my
>Witte Dieselectric unit.  I need to make carts to separate them so I can
>put it back together and start it up.
>This is just my second week of summer vacation, so I hope to get to it
>soon
>
>Ron Haskell

OK, get off the keyboard and get out there in the workshop! :-))

Peter

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From prepair at easynet.co.uk  Tue Jun 29 02:53:02 2004
From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:53:02 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Lister-Blackstone
In-Reply-To: <40E0F522.2040506@mlode.com>
References: <20040628.135545.1084.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<40E0F522.2040506@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <sse2e0d6jtg3980nfnf3pgh76jp0lpcr9d@4ax.com>

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:50:42 -0700, you wrote:

>Hey Ron -
>
>  The CD is a sweet running engine. I just finished  going through an 8 
>HP, I think like yours, for a friend of mine. The oil had never been 
>changed and was like THICK pudding, resulting is a starved and partially 
>pounded out rod bearing. The owner will probably paint it, I just did 
>the mechanical. What a beast! The injector nozzle was shot also (water 
>had wiped out the needle and seat), but the owner was able to buy a new 
>one from an outfit up here in the bay area, so keep it in mind if you 
>need to go that route. Cost him about $60 (came from Austria!).
>
>- Steve

We have new nozzles for these on the shelf, they are ?24 plus postage,
made in Italy.... We also have some genuine CAV and Bryce stuff as
well.

The CE is a two-cylinder variant of the CD single, we've got three or
four holding the foundations down outside!



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Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Jun 29 03:36:43 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:36:43 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Kurt
Message-ID: <00d201c45dc4$fc3ac660$470e1bd3@athlon>

Hey Curt, I just got a mail to you returned. Mail box full!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Jun 29 03:37:01 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:37:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Kurt Andre
Message-ID: <00d301c45dc5$06de7800$470e1bd3@athlon>

Hey Curt, I just got a mail to you returned. Mail box full!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Jun 29 03:37:25 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:37:25 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Kurt Andre
Message-ID: <00da01c45dc5$152e1aa0$470e1bd3@athlon>

Hey Curt, I just got a mail to you returned. Mail box full!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jun 29 05:11:16 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:11:16 +0100
Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally
References: <40E05BFB.2D90CEDD@insulate.co.uk> <40E078B3.1070505@imc-group.com>
	<40E093A4.B75B1BC4@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000601c45dd2$2e6b0f20$1f90ff3e@zen>

Snip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim French" <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally


> Curt Holland wrote:
Snip
> > A pint for breakfast? Whew you Brits have iron stomachs! Or is that an
> > Arnie thing?
> 
> It was a Dave Croft and Arnie thing.  No-one else could face beer at that
> time in the morning!
> Dolly

Hi Curt, I like my beer but Arnie has a much better capacity than me.
See http://community.webshots.com/photo/152558084/157656670WPwZdT
This was Arnies second course for breakfast.
Do they put the US brewery's on short time working when Arnie comes over here
for a few weeks? 8^)
Dave Croft



From pmaples at anaxis.net  Tue Jun 29 05:26:24 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 07:26:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kurt
References: <00d201c45dc4$fc3ac660$470e1bd3@athlon>
Message-ID: <005d01c45dd4$4de46480$c8f70cd1@VAIO>

Same here Reg, I tried to send him a message last night and got it returned
saying his mailbox is full.

Paul

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From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "List SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 5:36 AM
Subject: [SEL] Kurt


> Hey Curt, I just got a mail to you returned. Mail box full!!
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
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From andyglines at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 29 05:44:05 2004
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:44:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] RE: Venn-Severin
Message-ID: <BAY19-F25pvTjtPUNWY000ad29e@hotmail.com>

Ron, I would like to know a little about the foundation under the 
Venn-Severin.  The SIAM Club owns a 100HP V-S that I want to get set on a 
permanent foundation.  One problem is that I don't know what it takes to 
hold the engine.

>
> >Hi Peter.
> >No the Venn-Severin is not a runner.  It was apart for years, last year
> >they set the cylinders and heads on, and gave it a paint job to make it
> >look presentable.  With some work it should run.
> >
> >Ron Haskell

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From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Jun 29 08:14:17 2004
From: frappi at wcoil.com (frappi at wcoil.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:14:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Last chance Log Saw Engine in WA.  
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040629111417.00800b60@pop3.wcoil.com>

Last chance guys anyone want the log saw engine parts in WA. state before I
tell the fellow to scrap them? 

Heres the original note: 
>I just got this engine is Auburn, WA. and Is there anyone near
>there that could use the left  over parts? Or pick it up and bring it along
>to Portland Show in August? Or any points further east then it is? The
>seller is removing the mag and bracket and the carb and shipping those
>parts to me and he is going to scrap the rest if nothing happens. Anyone
>want the rest? Its a drag saw, most likely a Wade. Looks like good parts.
>If I can't get a ride for it or nobody wants the rest its gonna be scrapped. 
>I'd like to have the whole thing but shipping (through a freight company)
is too much to invest unless
>I can get a ride for it              The fellow who has the engine goes
>July 10 & 11 to Shelton, Washington. This may help some. 
>
>

As I said he's going to scrap them, anybody want the parts? Free Free Free
Going Once, Going Twice 


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Mark Shulaw            GOD BLESS THE USA! 
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From segray at mlode.com  Tue Jun 29 11:58:05 2004
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:58:05 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...
Message-ID: <40E1BBBD.4000003@mlode.com>

Hi All -

   Some of you out here on the Left Coast have seen this trailer before, 
but I need some input. I've acquired several old porcelain light sockets 
and am toying with the idea of mounting several around the edge of the 
trailer. Questions are: to do it or not; if so, how many, etc. My first 
opinion is it might be too gaudy, but then again...  If I do install 
'em, I'll most likely use the clear 40 watt bulbs, unless the consensus 
points to something else. There would be a max. 12 in all. All 
electrical on the trailer is powered by the Lister twin in the center. 
Any and all inputs, pros and cons, welcome! Thanks!

Pictures are at:   http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot

- Steve

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Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
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Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com





From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jun 29 12:15:32 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:15:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Evansville 2004 SIAM show
Message-ID: <40E1BFD4.5080406@imc-group.com>

Have finally gotten the Evansville images sized and compressed suitable 
for a web page. Thank Keith, your software suggestion was a real help!
Here are some of my favorite engines at the SIAM show this year. Hope 
you enjoy them.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Evansville2004/Thumbnails.html




From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jun 29 12:27:44 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:27:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor with Wico mag fitted!
Message-ID: <40E1C2B0.4070107@imc-group.com>

Guys,
Recall the thread a while back on Baker Monitors fitted with Wico's? At 
Evansville there was one running. Here is the picture. 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Evansville2004/P6120029.JPG
While common in Australia, they are never seen here. As I recall the 
thread concluded there were none shipped in the states???
Maybe this one was imported, maybe not, who knows. Was sure fascinated 
to see it. It did have the special fuel tank to accomodate the mag.
I took more detailed photos if anyone is interested.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC



From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Tue Jun 29 13:10:53 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:10:53 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...
In-Reply-To: <40E1BBBD.4000003@mlode.com>
References: <40E1BBBD.4000003@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <0ui3e0pnavguqbe0u4tmh9p2qq1k60mtln@4ax.com>

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:58:05 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi All -
>
>   Some of you out here on the Left Coast have seen this trailer before, 
>but I need some input. I've acquired several old porcelain light sockets 
>and am toying with the idea of mounting several around the edge of the 
>trailer. Questions are: to do it or not; if so, how many, etc. My first 
>opinion is it might be too gaudy, but then again...  If I do install 
>'em, I'll most likely use the clear 40 watt bulbs, unless the consensus 
>points to something else. There would be a max. 12 in all. All 
>electrical on the trailer is powered by the Lister twin in the center. 
>Any and all inputs, pros and cons, welcome! Thanks!
>
>Pictures are at:   http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot
>
>- Steve

Nice trailer! :-))

My personal thoughts would be the survivability of anything that is relatively
delicate on the extremeties of the trailer, unless you mounted them on a carrier
bar that you could take off before travelling.

Lights are always nice at night, but I feel that they would look a bit flashy
(literally if your generator volts are too high!) for what looks like an
extremely nice setup in the first place.

I've often wondered about getting a couple of heavier-duty 500W or 1kW bulbs as
used in film & TV lighting and running them in an enclosure (and behind glass
please) to give a load and to look different.

30V 300W are common for the hand-held 'sun-gun' lights, the others are used iin
the larger lamp heads.

Peter

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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Tue Jun 29 13:29:31 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:29:31 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Evansville 2004 SIAM show
References: <40E1BFD4.5080406@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c45e17$c96d0380$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Thanks for sharing the pics Curt, there're some
very pretty engines to see. 

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl



> Have finally gotten the Evansville images sized and compressed suitable 
> for a web page. Thank Keith, your software suggestion was a real help!
> Here are some of my favorite engines at the SIAM show this year. Hope 
> you enjoy them.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Evansville2004/Thumbnails.html




From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Tue Jun 29 13:41:34 2004
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:41:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...
References: <40E1BBBD.4000003@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c45e19$78d784c0$24b74004@dslverizon.net>

Hi Steve,

It looks real nice but also very fragile.  I would be worried about thumps
and bumps moving the trailer around.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA, U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Gray" <segray at mlode.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 11:58 AM
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...


> Hi All -
>
>    Some of you out here on the Left Coast have seen this trailer before,
> but I need some input. I've acquired several old porcelain light sockets
> and am toying with the idea of mounting several around the edge of the
> trailer. Questions are: to do it or not; if so, how many, etc. My first
> opinion is it might be too gaudy, but then again...  If I do install
> 'em, I'll most likely use the clear 40 watt bulbs, unless the consensus
> points to something else. There would be a max. 12 in all. All
> electrical on the trailer is powered by the Lister twin in the center.
> Any and all inputs, pros and cons, welcome! Thanks!
>
> Pictures are at:   http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot
>
> - Steve
>
> --
> Steve Gray
> Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
> Sonora, California USA
> e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
> Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com
>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Jun 29 15:08:11 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:08:11 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...
Message-ID: <20040629.150812.856.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Steve.
I go along with the other opinions that the lights placed in the second
picture look like they would have a very short life, getting bumped etc. 
The overhead light in the first picture looks really nice, but it doesn't
use up the nice porcelain sockets you have.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:58:05 -0700 Steve Gray <segray at mlode.com> writes:
> Hi All -
> 
>    Some of you out here on the Left Coast have seen this trailer 
> before, 
> but I need some input. I've acquired several old porcelain light 
> sockets 
> and am toying with the idea of mounting several around the edge of 
> the 
> trailer. Questions are: to do it or not; if so, how many, etc. My 
> first 
> opinion is it might be too gaudy, but then again...  If I do install 
> 
> 'em, I'll most likely use the clear 40 watt bulbs, unless the 
> consensus 
> points to something else. There would be a max. 12 in all. All 
> electrical on the trailer is powered by the Lister twin in the 
> center. 
> Any and all inputs, pros and cons, welcome! Thanks!
> 
> Pictures are at:   http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot
> 
> - Steve
> 
> -- 
> Steve Gray
> Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
> Sonora, California USA
> e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
> Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com
>


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jun 29 15:56:13 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:56:13 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...
References: <20040629.150812.856.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c45e2c$475a78e0$ef856ad5@zen>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 11:08 PM
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...


> Hi Steve.
> I go along with the other opinions that the lights placed in the second
> picture look like they would have a very short life, getting bumped etc. 
> The overhead light in the first picture looks really nice, but it doesn't
> use up the nice porcelain sockets you have.
> Ron Haskell

My 25 years experience is that the sockets should be OK if you remove the bulbs until you set up.
The lamp on the post should be made removable for transit with a plug & socket for connection.
Take a few replacement bulbs & sockets & a test meter & you should show fine.
Dave Croft



From ignitors at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 29 15:59:57 2004
From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:59:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor with Wico mag fitted!
References: <40E1C2B0.4070107@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <001501c45e2c$cd108380$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>

Hi Curt, it was the Monitor with a Dixie that is never seen in the states, I
have seen several with the EK.

Ted Brookover
4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
816-763-3142
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL(new)" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 2:27 PM
Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor with Wico mag fitted!


> Guys,
> Recall the thread a while back on Baker Monitors fitted with Wico's? At
> Evansville there was one running. Here is the picture.
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Evansville2004/P6120029.JPG
> While common in Australia, they are never seen here. As I recall the
> thread concluded there were none shipped in the states???
> Maybe this one was imported, maybe not, who knows. Was sure fascinated
> to see it. It did have the special fuel tank to accomodate the mag.
> I took more detailed photos if anyone is interested.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From segray at mlode.com  Tue Jun 29 17:01:34 2004
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:01:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...
In-Reply-To: <40E1BBBD.4000003@mlode.com>
References: <40E1BBBD.4000003@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <40E202DE.2000001@mlode.com>

  Well, as far as the sockets go, I'm not overly worried about breakage, 
though if it's possible, yours truly will find a way to destroy at least 
one! True, the bulbs are the weak point for physical breakage. If I 
actually manage to stay away from wiping them out  in the sockets, past 
experience tells me they should hold up pretty well, filament wise. I 
currently use the 'ruggedized' bulbs used in ceiling fans in the panel 
placed next to the genset. It's mounted directly to the wood rails the 
set sits on and easily takes all the vibration from the twin plus the 
trailer. I've only lost one so far over a year and a half of shows and 
travel. That's another point; the peripheral bulbs would be removed 
during transit. All of this, I suppose, is in lieu of not being able to 
find what I call a "pie pan" style street light that I'd like to be able 
to mount on the back end of the trailer. By pie pan I mean the old style 
flat corrugated tin reflector, white porcelain underside, usually green 
porcelain top with a bare bulb hanging from the socket. I stuck an EBAY 
photo of what I'm referring to at 
http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/antiquelite.jpg. Anyway, my 
personal concern with this whole bulb/socket thing, is how hokey it 
would look. :-\   I got upwards of 7500 watts to burn!

TTYL

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com





From BillMil357 at aol.com  Tue Jun 29 21:00:54 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:00:54 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.
Message-ID: <be.1055ab03.2e1394f6@aol.com>

Hey Men;

I told my OLE friend Paul Maples the other day that I wanted a pitcher pump 
to run with my Hercules engine with a pump jack so I met him today and he gave 
me one (Thanks again Paul) and I am trying to find out what kind it is, the 
only number on it is FP 3 cast into the pump handle, also can anyone tell me 
where I can purchase pump leathers for it. I am also looking for a small belt 
driven pump jack that someone may have lying around that I may belt up to my 
Hercules 1 3/4 S when I finish restoring it. I will list my Webshots address below 
and you can see the pump under pitcher pump and if you will look under my 
Siam show pictures album there is a nice picture of a pitcher pump display that a 
fellow had at the SIAM show that mine will look similar.

http://community.webshots.com/user/billmil357

Thanks,

Bill Miller.


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Jun 30 03:06:37 2004
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:06:37 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.
Message-ID: <063020041006.28764.3994@mchsi.com>

Hey Bill,
Give me some measurements of the your leather cup sizes, maybeable to help. 
Got a very large stock of new old style pump leathers.  Contact me off list.
Curt Andree
> Hey Men;
> 
> I told my OLE friend Paul Maples the other day that I wanted a pitcher pump 
> to run with my Hercules engine with a pump jack so I met him today and he gave 
> me one (Thanks again Paul) and I am trying to find out what kind it is, the 
> only number on it is FP 3 cast into the pump handle, also can anyone tell me 
> where I can purchase pump leathers for it. I am also looking for a small belt 
> driven pump jack that someone may have lying around that I may belt up to my 
> Hercules 1 3/4 S when I finish restoring it. I will list my Webshots address 
> below 
> and you can see the pump under pitcher pump and if you will look under my 
> Siam show pictures album there is a nice picture of a pitcher pump display that 
> a 
> fellow had at the SIAM show that mine will look similar.
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/user/billmil357
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bill Miller.
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From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jun 30 04:45:18 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:45:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.
References: <be.1055ab03.2e1394f6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <40E2A7CE.6010309@imc-group.com>

Bill,
If someone can dig up a phone number for Jack Welton of Ohio, he could 
certainly ID your pump. Jack is THE waterpump guru!
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

BillMil357 at aol.com wrote:

>Hey Men;
>
>I told my OLE friend Paul Maples the other day that I wanted a pitcher pump 
>to run with my Hercules engine with a pump jack so I met him today and he gave 
>me one (Thanks again Paul) and I am trying to find out what kind it is, the 
>only number on it is FP 3 cast into the pump handle, also can anyone tell me 
>where I can purchase pump leathers for it. I am also looking for a small belt 
>driven pump jack that someone may have lying around that I may belt up to my 
>Hercules 1 3/4 S when I finish restoring it. I will list my Webshots address below 
>and you can see the pump under pitcher pump and if you will look under my 
>Siam show pictures album there is a nice picture of a pitcher pump display that a 
>fellow had at the SIAM show that mine will look similar.
>




From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jun 30 04:52:57 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:52:57 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.
Message-ID: <1e4.2404d692.2e140399@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/30/2004 12:59:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
BillMil357 at aol.com writes:

<< I told my OLE friend Paul Maples the other day that I wanted a pitcher 
pump 
 to run with my Hercules engine with a pump jack so I met him today and he 
gave 
 me one  >>


Bill,

Did they make a pump jack to fit a pitcher pump?  I have seen plenty for the 
larger well pumps, but not sure I have seen one for the smaller ones.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From christison at coastalnet.com  Wed Jun 30 05:02:28 2004
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:02:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.
References: <be.1055ab03.2e1394f6@aol.com> <40E2A7CE.6010309@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <000901c45e9a$1eb269c0$0100a8c0@mshome.net>

Jack Welton  Ph. 330 666 1576 or weltonspump at aol.com

Welton's Maintenance
4117 Copley Rd
Copley, OH 44321
(330)666-1576

Take care.

Ken
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.


> Bill,
> If someone can dig up a phone number for Jack Welton of Ohio, he could 
> certainly ID your pump. Jack is THE waterpump guru!
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jun 30 05:50:21 2004
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:50:21 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...
References: <40E1BBBD.4000003@mlode.com> <40E202DE.2000001@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <02ef01c45ea0$cf2fef60$39e031d2@km>

G'Day Steve

What a great looking trailer and load, well done I like it
Kerry





Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW OZ

Web   http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49

Friends in Engines





From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jun 30 07:24:41 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:24:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...
In-Reply-To: <40E202DE.2000001@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <008d01c45ead$fc8b5780$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

One genset display I saw had the lights mounted on a bar over the trailer.
There were uprights that fit into small tubes sort of like "stake pockets"
with a cross-piece the sockets were mounted onto.
This put the lights over the trailer and made a great display at night,
fully lit.
The whole thing was easily broken down and stowed for travel, and no one
could touch or break the bulbs as they were up just out of reach. 

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Gray
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 7:02 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Display opinion needed...


  Well, as far as the sockets go, I'm not overly worried about breakage, 
though if it's possible, yours truly will find a way to destroy at least 
one! True, the bulbs are the weak point for physical breakage. If I 
actually manage to stay away from wiping them out  in the sockets, past 
experience tells me they should hold up pretty well, filament wise. I 
currently use the 'ruggedized' bulbs used in ceiling fans in the panel 
placed next to the genset. It's mounted directly to the wood rails the 
set sits on and easily takes all the vibration from the twin plus the 
trailer. I've only lost one so far over a year and a half of shows and 
travel. That's another point; the peripheral bulbs would be removed 
during transit. All of this, I suppose, is in lieu of not being able to 
find what I call a "pie pan" style street light that I'd like to be able 
to mount on the back end of the trailer. By pie pan I mean the old style 
flat corrugated tin reflector, white porcelain underside, usually green 
porcelain top with a bare bulb hanging from the socket. I stuck an EBAY 
photo of what I'm referring to at 
http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/antiquelite.jpg. Anyway, my 
personal concern with this whole bulb/socket thing, is how hokey it 
would look. :-\   I got upwards of 7500 watts to burn!

TTYL

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



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From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jun 30 08:04:35 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:04:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...
Message-ID: <20040630.112754.1076.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Steve - 
Without going into all the ramifications - I think two of the "pie-pan"
street lights (one at each end) would look great !!!

If you must use all those white ceramic sockets - Why not run a couple
strings above the trailer.

With the lights down on the rail (like you have them ), I think, in your
words, would look to hokey.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -   
 \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From dotto at velocitus.net  Wed Jun 30 08:29:39 2004
From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:29:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Missoula show
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV620FUZe1r0x00006bfe@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000401c45eb7$0f76b340$01043c0a@DD1BF421>

Hey Rick,

Are you still around? I will be heading up to Missoula on Friday with my
wife and kids. We are planning to set up with the Branch 150 folks from
Idaho. Just look for my really shiny 1.5 hp John Deere.

Will you be displaying any thing, or just looking?

Dave


Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Strobel
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 8:46 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Missoula show

  Howdy all;
  Well Kathy and I went to the Lewistown, Mt. (EDGE&Ta) show last
weekend. 
Very Kewl 150 hp F-M horizontal, two lunger, two stroke...permanent
display 
up and runnin.  Lots of tractors..not too many engines.  Took some
pictures, 
but can't post them as my graphics capability has gone south on this
cyber 
box.

   Kathy and I plan on being at the Missoula show on the 3rd..next
month. 
Who else plans on coming?  I believe Mr. Parks said he'd be there..don't

know about Skip L.

   Well life is good in Montana....sawrig coming along fine.   I found a

commercial Magnet Recharger that I borrowed..so that's pretty kewl also.

Ya'll take care,
RickinMt.
 "Beauty is in the eyes of the beerholders"

 
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From segray at mlode.com  Wed Jun 30 08:38:33 2004
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:38:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...
In-Reply-To: <40E1BBBD.4000003@mlode.com>
References: <40E1BBBD.4000003@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <40E2DE79.2030105@mlode.com>

Mornin' All -

   Thanks to all who replied on/off list. I think what I might try, is 
building up a small number of socket mounts and trying it. Not wanting 
to punch any more holes than necessary in the trailer, most all the 
hardware will clamp in place. I forgot to mention, the existing street 
light and post DO all come apart and are removed for transit. In fact, a 
custom enclosure (bin) was built onto the trailer containing a cradle 
that the light gets strapped into. Gives me a place to store spare 
bulbs, too. The light dates back to the late teens early 20s and was 
pulled out of service in L.A. in the 60's, being recovered by my dad who 
worked for the power company (DWP).  It uses a 500w, 115v bulb. I should 
try to get some updated pictures of the whole setup when I have it out 
in a few weeks. Thanks again!

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



Steve Gray wrote:

> Hi All -
>
>   Some of you out here on the Left Coast have seen this trailer 
> before, but I need some input. I've acquired several old porcelain 
> light sockets and am toying with the idea of mounting several around 
> the edge of the trailer. Questions are: to do it or not; if so, how 
> many, etc. My first opinion is it might be too gaudy, but then 
> again...  If I do install 'em, I'll most likely use the clear 40 watt 
> bulbs, unless the consensus points to something else. There would be a 
> max. 12 in all. All electrical on the trailer is powered by the Lister 
> twin in the center. Any and all inputs, pros and cons, welcome! Thanks!
>
> Pictures are at:   http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot
>
> - Steve
>



From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Wed Jun 30 08:56:41 2004
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:56:41 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.
Message-ID: <1e.2d4d1fdd.2e143cb9@aol.com>

Hi Bill,
When I was but a wee lad an Aunt in SE Kansas had one of those in her 
kitchen.  It would pump water from the cistern outdoors to a tank up in the attic.  
Then, she could turn on the faucet in her kitchen sink and water from the attic 
tank would flow.

Your pump has a packing gland and, on the lift stroke can build enough 
pressure to easily put water 15 or 20 feet higher than the pump.  Once you find a 
good leather (have you looked at the one it has in it?  Maybe oiling it with 
neatsfoot oil will rejuvenate it and you won't need a new leather.) When you have 
cleaned the check valve (should be a ball or leather flap at the bottom) your 
pump should prime itself, especially if you are lifting water from only a 
foot or two below the pump.

If you want to run it like a picture pump, just remove the plug and install a 
faucet.  You should keep the handle setup because it is designed to give a 
straight pull to the piston rod as required by the packing gland.  With a hose, 
and nozzle, your should be able to squirt water a good distance with this 
pump.  What you have is a prehistoric pressure washer.

Nice find!

Regards,
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, Virginia 



In a message dated 6/30/2004 12:59:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
BillMil357 at aol.com writes:

> Hey Men;
> 
> I told my OLE friend Paul Maples the other day that I wanted a pitcher pump 
> to run with my Hercules engine with a pump jack so I met him today and he 
> gave 
> me one (Thanks again Paul) and I am trying to find out what kind it is, the 
> only number on it is FP 3 cast into the pump handle, also can anyone tell me 
> 
> where I can purchase pump leathers for it. I am also looking for a small 
> belt 
> driven pump jack that someone may have lying around that I may belt up to my 
> 
> Hercules 1 3/4 S when I finish restoring it. I will list my Webshots address 
> below 
> and you can see the pump under pitcher pump and if you will look under my 
> Siam show pictures album there is a nice picture of a pitcher pump display 
> that a 
> fellow had at the SIAM show that mine will look similar.
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/user/billmil357
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bill Miller.
> _______________________________________________



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Jun 30 10:24:51 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (dave croft)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:24:51 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...
References: <20040630.112754.1076.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c45ec7$2709e800$06856ad5@one>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Display opinion needed...


> Hi Steve - 
> Without going into all the ramifications - I think two of the "pie-pan"
> street lights (one at each end) would look great !!!
> If you must use all those white ceramic sockets - Why not run a couple
> strings above the trailer.
> With the lights down on the rail (like you have them ), I think, in your
> words, would look to hokey.
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 

There are a few shows in England towards the end of the season
which specialise in lighting displays.
The main show is after dark when rows of lamps make sailing ships, pictures 
& all sorts of display. Those of us that don't drive a dynamo use carbide lamps 
& paraffin lamps to illuminate our displays.
Dave Croft.



From BillMil357 at aol.com  Wed Jun 30 10:38:31 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:38:31 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.
Message-ID: <9b.49cfd28a.2e145497@aol.com>

Thanks, Curt. Curt. Ken and Tom. For the information. Ken I just added three 
more pictures on my Webshots page of a pitcher pump display I saw at the SIAM 
show and what I am calling a pump jack is probably something else, look at the 
pictures and tell me what that is that is driven by the motor and moves the 
arm up and down to operate the pump? Curt Andree I will get back to you on the 
pump leathers as soon as I dismantle the pump.

Thanks friends,

Bill Miller.


From BillMil357 at aol.com  Wed Jun 30 10:50:29 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:50:29 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.
Message-ID: <c6.2df45192.2e145765@aol.com>

Hey  I forgot to list my Webshots address a few minutes ago

http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=1
57829854

Thanks, Curt. Curt. Ken and Tom. For the information. Ken I just added three 
more pictures on my Webshots page of a pitcher pump display I saw at the SIAM 
show and what I am calling a pump jack is probably something else, look at the 
pictures and tell me what that is that is driven by the motor and moves the 
arm up and down to operate the pump? Curt Andree I will get back to you on the 
pump leathers as soon as I dismantle the pump.

Thanks friends,

Bill Miller.


From BillMil357 at aol.com  Wed Jun 30 11:04:19 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:04:19 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.
Message-ID: <1dd.255465ef.2e145aa3@aol.com>

Hi Ron;

Man you have sure shed some light on my pump, if you wanted to run a pipe 
straight up where the plug is would you put the plug in the hole on the side?

Thanks,

Bill.


From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Wed Jun 30 12:34:06 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:34:06 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Scientific Instrument transportation to Portland 
Message-ID: <qt46e0t0timkfdigak7nsqem2v74m05h76@4ax.com>

We have a few items that we need to sort out transport for, ready for Portland
this year.

They are all wooden-cased type of instruments, in the following locations:

Deerfield, New Hampshire
Catskill Mtns, NY
Jackson, NJ 

One further unit is in LA, but that is going to our friends in Cupertino for
collection on our next visit, so no problem with that one. Sizes vary, but a
foot cube is probably average.

We can get them posted anywhere, but they still need to be brought to the
Portland show for us to collect and bring back home after the show.

Any suggestions/offers  please?

Peter

--
Peter & Rita Forbes
diesel at easynet.co.uk
Engine pages for preservation info:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From segray at mlode.com  Wed Jun 30 12:47:33 2004
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:47:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...
In-Reply-To: <20040630.112754.1076.0.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20040630.112754.1076.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <40E318D5.3010403@mlode.com>

   I have to agree, Joe. Looking at it again, the thought that comes to 
mind is "Circus Wagon". Not good. I like your idea, Bill, but with the 
equipment lay out that exists, I don't think it's feasible. OK, scrap 
the sockets, I'll patiently(?) wait for a "pie pan" to show up!

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



jlb94 at juno.com wrote:

>Hi Steve - 
>Without going into all the ramifications - I think two of the "pie-pan"
>street lights (one at each end) would look great !!!
>
>If you must use all those white ceramic sockets - Why not run a couple
>strings above the trailer.
>
>With the lights down on the rail (like you have them ), I think, in your
>words, would look to hokey.
>
>
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
>jlb94 at juno.com
> ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -   
> \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
> (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>  
>





From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Wed Jun 30 13:45:48 2004
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:45:48 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.
Message-ID: <12e.45558f70.2e14807c@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/30/2004 4:33:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
BillMil357 at aol.com writes:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Ron;
> 
> Man you have sure shed some light on my pump, if you wanted to run a pipe 
> straight up where the plug is would you put the plug in the hole on the 
> side?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bill.

Hi Bill,
Yes, either the hole on top that is plugged, or, the hole on the side can be 
output.  You should have another hole or pipe under your pump that is the 
intake port.  Just above it should be a built in check valve.  IF that valve is 
missing, you can install a simple flap check valve in the intake line.  That 
will work OK, especially if your intake line is pipe, not poly.

Pay attention to the geometry of your power setup.  If you use a walking beam 
as you saw at SIAM, you might set up the center of the walking beam so that 
it has enough pivot motion to keep your pump piston rod centered in the packing 
gland.  Those parts can all be wood, and you'll get lots of monkey motion.  
You can use cardboard, and cut out the shapes, then pin them together and study 
the motion before you make them of wood, using the cardboard as templates for 
cutting your wood.  

I think you have a fine pump there, with much more potential than a common 
pitcher pump.

Ron



From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Jun 30 14:01:55 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:01:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Scientific Instrument transportation to Portland 
References: <qt46e0t0timkfdigak7nsqem2v74m05h76@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <08d801c45ee5$7be05e40$0400a8c0@Dave>

> We have a few items that we need to sort out transport for, ready for
Portland
> this year.
> They are all wooden-cased type of instruments, in the following locations:
> Deerfield, New Hampshire
> Catskill Mtns, NY
> Jackson, NJ
> One further unit is in LA, but that is going to our friends in Cupertino
for
> collection on our next visit, so no problem with that one. Sizes vary, but
a
> foot cube is probably average.
> We can get them posted anywhere, but they still need to be brought to the
> Portland show for us to collect and bring back home after the show.
> Any suggestions/offers  please?
> Peter
Hi Peter,
    If a "foot cube" means 12" X 12" X 12" (and there are 3 such crates) I
can get them to Portland if you can get them to me. Contact me off List.
    Dave



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Wed Jun 30 15:45:01 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 00:45:01 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Scientific Instrument transportation to Portland
References: <qt46e0t0timkfdigak7nsqem2v74m05h76@4ax.com>
	<08d801c45ee5$7be05e40$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <003d01c45ef3$e0e2f290$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Hi Dave, that remembers me the post I got lately from
 a Pittsburgh  "House" they offered me a special surprise
in a 12x12x12 box good for the four seasons.

John H.

> Hi Peter,
>     If a "foot cube" means 12" X 12" X 12" (and there are 3 such crates) I
> can get them to Portland if you can get them to me. Contact me off List.
>     Dave




From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jun 30 16:05:22 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:05:22 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.
Message-ID: <15c.3837a630.2e14a132@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/30/2004 4:29:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
BillMil357 at aol.com writes:

<< what I am calling a pump jack is probably something else, look at the 
 pictures and tell me what that is that is driven by the motor and moves the 
 arm up and down to operate the pump >>


Bill,

Guess that is some sort of gear reducer with an eccentric arm on the other 
side moving the walking beam to pump.  That is a nice set up and what a 
beautiful job on the muffler.  Bet it is a quiet running Hercules!

http://community.webshots.com/photo/157829854/158041925dHQYNe

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From BillMil357 at aol.com  Wed Jun 30 16:19:46 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:19:46 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.
Message-ID: <9a.e39bd4c.2e14a492@aol.com>

Hi Tom;

Did you click to the right and see the eccentric in the next two pictures. My 
Herc. is just like this fellows other than mine has a Wico ignitor and his 
has a Webster.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/157829854/158041925dHQYNe


From d.fleming at sasktel.net  Wed Jun 30 17:59:19 2004
From: d.fleming at sasktel.net (D. Fleming)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:59:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.
References: <1dd.255465ef.2e145aa3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002401c45f06$b398e200$cdc36e40@don>

Hi Bill,

I think what you may have is a pump that was used in a house with hot water
heat.  My uncle had such a house with the big hot water radiators in each
room and an expansion tank sitting on one of the radiators in an upstairs
bedroom.  Every morning they would look at the level of the water in the
expansion tank and then come down and screw in the plug leading to the
kitchen sink and pump water from the cistern up into the tank in the
upstairs bedroom.  They then removed the plug and used the pump for their
other water needs.  I spent some time looking for that pump after the house
was vacated but could never find it.

Don Fleming
Kipling, Sask. Canada
<d.fleming at sasktel.net>


----- Original Message -----
From: <BillMil357 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.


> Hi Ron;
>
> Man you have sure shed some light on my pump, if you wanted to run a pipe
> straight up where the plug is would you put the plug in the hole on the
side?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill.
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From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Wed Jun 30 23:32:46 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 07:32:46 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Scientific Instrument transportation to Portland 
In-Reply-To: <08d801c45ee5$7be05e40$0400a8c0@Dave>
References: <qt46e0t0timkfdigak7nsqem2v74m05h76@4ax.com>
	<08d801c45ee5$7be05e40$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <nvb7e0l4gjkq6hujs6ojdhaj0dg92f624o@4ax.com>

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:01:55 -0400, you wrote:

>> We have a few items that we need to sort out transport for, ready for
>Portland
>> this year.
>> They are all wooden-cased type of instruments, in the following locations:
>> Deerfield, New Hampshire
>> Catskill Mtns, NY
>> Jackson, NJ
>> One further unit is in LA, but that is going to our friends in Cupertino
>for
>> collection on our next visit, so no problem with that one. Sizes vary, but
>a
>> foot cube is probably average.
>> We can get them posted anywhere, but they still need to be brought to the
>> Portland show for us to collect and bring back home after the show.
>> Any suggestions/offers  please?
>> Peter
>Hi Peter,
>    If a "foot cube" means 12" X 12" X 12" (and there are 3 such crates) I
>can get them to Portland if you can get them to me. Contact me off List.
>    Dave

Thanks, Dave, I have emailed you off-list as requested.

Peter

--
Peter & Rita Forbes
diesel at easynet.co.uk
Engine pages for preservation info:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From Spencer.Yost at piedmontsystems.com  Tue Jun  1 14:22:19 2004
From: Spencer.Yost at piedmontsystems.com (Spencer Yost)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:22:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <200406011722190015.0030D661@newidea.atis.net>

Test - please ignore

Spencer



From BetCleve321 at aol.com  Tue Jun  1 14:35:04 2004
From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:35:04 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Herc cart progress update.
Message-ID: <4a.2c807603.2dee5088@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/1/2004 1:25:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
curt at imc-group.com writes:
If we look to modern engines we can see that lockwashers are being used 
less and less as understanding of their minimal benifits comes to light. 
Rod caps, crank mains, and even transmission pans (yes, a gasketed 
joint), no longer have lockwashers on them because they tear up the base 
metal when removed, and because they are completely unnecessary to keep 
the bolted connection tight.

Curt Holland
Gastonia, 
I have a small collection of square head fasteners here. I have a square nut 
that is convex on one side with no flat area at all. The corners are slightly 
rounded and the 'flat' side is concave. No place for a lock washer on the top 
which is  not suitable for a bearing surface at all.
I got a 5/16 square head bolt and nut. The nut is flat on the bottom and 
rounded on the corners on the top side with a bearing area. Just like a modern hex 
nut. The bolt head is identical with the exception that there is to hole in 
the center, just flat with beveled corners and a raised letter 'E' . Nice place 
for a bearing surface but no way to make something  bear on it except maybe a 
die with a female 'E' in it.
Maybe some vendors just have better nuts than others.
Remember when they were called bolts and burrs?

Skip


From pmaples at anaxis.net  Tue Jun  1 14:54:46 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:54:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express - Need Help Again
References: <00e401c447fe$36caeb70$eef70cd1@VAIO>
	<034101c44809$86fa6980$6401a8c0@john>
Message-ID: <004d01c44823$16a8c130$eef70cd1@VAIO>

Thanks John this should do it.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Cullom" <jhcullom at adelphia.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express - Need Help Again


> Hi Paul,
>    Here's what I saved from the previous thread, hope it's what you need.
> John
>
>
>
> Ok Steve it is fixed. I clicked on the
> http://www.theeldergeek.com/oe_spellcheck.htm and then followed the
> instructions in the box.
>       If you prefer not to expand the file from your own XP CD or can't
get
> the procedure to work properly;
>       Download Expanded CSAPI3T1.DLL File
>       directly into C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Proof
>
> Once I copied the file into the c:\Program Files\Microsoft Shared\Proof
> folder I rebooted the pc and went to Outlook Express and it works great.
> _______________________________________________
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From kerogas at the-i.net  Tue Jun  1 09:27:34 2004
From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:27:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - Trailer batteries
References: <GAEKIMAIANIDDENKHPAOEEDAMOAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000701c4482d$18494640$be02fea9@oemcomputer>




> Isn't there supposed to be more room under the plates on a Marne battery
> so discharging doesn't short out the plates as easily when discharged?
> Glenn


The plates are constructed with a different grid pattern ,so yes they are
shaped differently (deep cycle!  )
but  marine cranking is no different inside than a car , some have a layer
 of epoxy in the bottom to stabilize the plates



From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  1 16:35:54 2004
From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:35:54 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update
Message-ID: <BAY2-F121Uix1TjtTu100006ecd@hotmail.com>

Hi Curt,
         You are doing a fantastic job on the Herc. It looks great now and I 
can't wait to see the finished product. I have a 5 HP which I have not 
started to restore yet but seeing yours is making me fairly keen.
        Great job mate and good to see your son helping.

            PS. I see a Ronaldson & Tippett poster on the wall. I am only 12 
miles from the old factory.

Kind Regards,
Lyndsay .




                      <original message>
>From: Curt Holland <curt at imc-group.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "SEL(new)" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Hercules update
>Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 12:33:28 -0400
>
>Took a few pictures this weekend as we continued to work on the Hercules. 
>Hope you enjoy.
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/6Hercules/Memorialweekend/Weekend.html
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC
>P.S. Sure hope to see those 5, 12HP Herc's at SIAM just like we saw at the 
>85th anniversary!
>
>
>
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From pmaples at anaxis.net  Tue Jun  1 17:06:46 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:06:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express - Need Help Again
References: <00e401c447fe$36caeb70$eef70cd1@VAIO>
	<034101c44809$86fa6980$6401a8c0@john>
Message-ID: <000c01c44835$80c558a0$d1f70cd1@VAIO>

Thanks John, that did the trick it is back up and running. I will print this
out this time.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Cullom" <jhcullom at adelphia.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express - Need Help Again


> Hi Paul,
>    Here's what I saved from the previous thread, hope it's what you need.
> John
>
>
>
> Ok Steve it is fixed. I clicked on the
> http://www.theeldergeek.com/oe_spellcheck.htm and then followed the
> instructions in the box.
>       If you prefer not to expand the file from your own XP CD or can't
get
> the procedure to work properly;
>       Download Expanded CSAPI3T1.DLL File
>




From cjclem at sysim.net  Tue Jun  1 18:32:16 2004
From: cjclem at sysim.net (John)
Date: Tue,  1 Jun 2004 20:32:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Gade Gathering 100 YR Gathering
Message-ID: <1086139936.40bd2e20369d3@webmail.sysim.net>

 http://www.miapa.org/show2004/index.htm  



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Tue Jun  1 18:46:10 2004
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:46:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What is Felt used for?
References: <000f01c43ae6$c119d040$baecf504@x8h7l9><4.2.0.58.20040516073558.00b5a350@mail.keyconn.net>
	<4.2.0.58.20040518072702.00b32450@mail.keyconn.net>
Message-ID: <006401c44843$76ed7a20$b092f504@x8h7l9>

Thanks to all that responded. The next time I clean my antique lathe I think
I will put some in strategic places to keep the chips out. I was also
wondering if we could cut circles using a very hot end of a piece of pipe.

I got the felt out of the attic to cut a piece for Joel. The good news is
that it is 5.5 feet wide and 23 feet long and .080 inches thick. The bad
news  is it is not felt. I think it is a belt from a printing press. It
looks like felt on the outside but has a man made structure on the inside.
It is very tough. It might be useful to cushion an impact.

  I can send  a sample to any one who might want part of it. Just send me
your address so I can cut and paste it onto an envelope, edstoller at
earthlink dot net.

All I can think to do with it is use it to cover the carpet in the back of
my jeep and through the rest in a dumpster.


Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT





From bboyce at swat.coop  Tue Jun  1 18:56:45 2004
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:56:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Carb Rebuild kit
References: <ILEPJHGCGMNODDKDIEFAMEDMCFAA.bercar@shenhgts.net>
Message-ID: <000d01c44844$dc77c7f0$6401a8c0@BillyBob>

bernie,,,  i've used this place a couple of times,, not the cheapest, but
seem to have carb parts for odd stuff,,,,
http://www.thecarburetorshop.com,,,,,,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bernie" <bercar at shenhgts.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:52 PM
Subject: [SEL] Carb Rebuild kit


> Im looking for a carb rebuild kit for a Holley 859 Carb.  This is a single
> barrel, updraft carb off of my novo CW engine.
>
> Any ideas on where i might find this kit???
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Bernie
>
>
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From bboyce at swat.coop  Tue Jun  1 19:02:31 2004
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:02:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update, now Herc XK's
References: <40BCAFD8.3010705@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c44845$aa6474b0$6401a8c0@BillyBob>

curt,, enjoyed seeing the pics of your 6 hp xk,,,,gotta love those ole solid
flywheels,,,, did they make a solid flywheel xk larger than 6 hp? were the
solid flywheels limited to the xk's, we have a 1 3/4 hp and 6 hp, i know
there is a 3 hp, but never was sure of one larger than 6 hp...
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL(new)" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:33 AM
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update


> Took a few pictures this weekend as we continued to work on the
> Hercules. Hope you enjoy.
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/6Hercules/Memorialweekend/Weekend.html
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> P.S. Sure hope to see those 5, 12HP Herc's at SIAM just like we saw at
> the 85th anniversary!
>
>
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From jhcullom at adelphia.net  Tue Jun  1 19:08:02 2004
From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:08:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT - Trailer batteries
References: <20040527185929.90416.qmail@web20207.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <047601c44846$6f69ece0$6401a8c0@john>

My thanks to all you guys (there's too many to name here), who posted with
suggestions on my trailer battery questions.

John



From jhcullom at adelphia.net  Tue Jun  1 19:13:16 2004
From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:13:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Jensen steam engines
References: <20040527185929.90416.qmail@web20207.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <048101c44847$2a94f6e0$6401a8c0@john>

I know this isn't about gas engines, but it sure is interesting. I saw on a
public tv show tonight about things made in Pittsburg, a short spot on the
Jensen Steam Engine Company ( http://jensensteamengines.com/index.htm ).
I'll bet Arnie & Dave have been there. These are those small steam engines
we all had as kids. That's one place I'd sure like to visit for a tour.

John



From tberry6 at carolina.rr.com  Tue Jun  1 19:42:21 2004
From: tberry6 at carolina.rr.com (Tommy Berry)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:42:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Herc cart progress update.
In-Reply-To: <40BCBC3C.5090804@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <000501c4484b$3db9cb70$1bba8445@TBerry>

Hello Ill throw in my 2 cents worth on the lock washer debate. On modern
engines with no lock washers on the oil pans the pans have no gaskets
but they are sealed with an extremely high quality RTV sealant. The oil
pan is glued on and the  bolt load is low Thanks for the interesting
reading.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt
Holland
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 1:26 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Herc cart progress update.

Rob Skinner wrote:

>Hi Curt,
>I'm too much of a gentleman to tell you that you are full
>of crap.  
>
Rob,
Ahh this is why we have the Nomex! Missy and I were discussing this on 
Friday night and she reminded me about the nuts and U-bolts on her 1914 
Hercules doctor's buggy. When we replaced the tapered stub axles she 
spent about 2 hours figuring out which nuts went on which U-bolt. Seems 
each nut would only fit on one stud location on the U-bolts. There are 
at least 8 or 10 U-bolts one each axle that hold the wooden runner to 
the top of the bowed steel axle and it took her a while to get the 
combinations worked out. She recalled that each nuts would only fit in 
one location and that it would only go on in one direction. So we 
grabbed a flashlight and went to the engine shed. Guess what, the 
rounded side of the square nuts was toward the surface being clamped.

Then Missy said, you've got all these engine carts laying around, lets 
look at them. There are 2 of the drop center Herc carts that the 5/7HP 
engines went on and 2 of the medium sized carts that the 3/5HP engines 
went on. All of theses carts appear to be completely original and 
undisturbed. About 70% of the square nuts have the rounded corner side 
facing the lockwashers! Admittedly this leaves 30% of them installed 
with the rounded side up, but it sure makes one wonder when the vast 
majority of the nuts are installed the otherway. Especially on 4 
different carts. Maybe I am nuts, but there are 4 carts in my yard with 
3/4 of the nuts with the rounded side towards the lockwashers. 'Tis a 
mystery.

On the lockwashers, perhaps I should have clarified gasketed vs. rigid 
connections. On "soft" clamps such as gasketed connections there is a 
benefit to the use of lockwashers. However, on steel to steel 
connections with no give, there appears to be little benefit to the use 
of lockwashers (bearing caps for example). Correct torque, bolt stretch,

and self locking (especially with fine threads) make the use of a 
lockwasher unnecessary. This is well documented in engineering books and

I can try to look it up if of interest.
I chose not to use lockwashers on the cart because of the amount of 
damage they do to pretty paint when the nut is removed. To keep things 
tight instead of lockwashers I decided to use the 242 removable Locktite

(blue). I've had to take several nuts back off and have been very 
pleased with how they have come back off. The first couple of turns are 
pretty tough and then it gets real easy. Best of all I haven't spoiled 
any of the pretty paint around it. Have only had to touch up the red on 
the nuts where the wrench was pushing on it.
If we look to modern engines we can see that lockwashers are being used 
less and less as understanding of their minimal benifits comes to light.

Rod caps, crank mains, and even transmission pans (yes, a gasketed 
joint), no longer have lockwashers on them because they tear up the base

metal when removed, and because they are completely unnecessary to keep 
the bolted connection tight.

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC





 

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From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net  Tue Jun  1 20:05:15 2004
From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 23:05:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Finally back on
Message-ID: <40BD43EB.7070609@zoominternet.net>

I'd been noticing no posts from this list ever since the servers were 
tweaked with the new list software.  I guess somehow I was unsubbed. 
 Well I resubbed and I'm pleased to say, I'm back!!!!

Ed

BTW, John Culp, contact me via private email.





From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jun  1 20:06:07 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:06:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update
References: <40BCAFD8.3010705@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <013c01c4484e$8caea040$0400a8c0@Dave>

Looking GREAT Curt! See you at SIAM!
    Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL(new)" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:33 PM
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update


> Took a few pictures this weekend as we continued to work on the
> Hercules. Hope you enjoy.
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/6Hercules/Memorialweekend/Weekend.html
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> P.S. Sure hope to see those 5, 12HP Herc's at SIAM just like we saw at
> the 85th anniversary!
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun  1 20:41:04 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:41:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update
In-Reply-To: <40BCAFD8.3010705@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <200406020348.i523mhhh021076@newidea.atis.net>

> Took a few pictures this weekend as we continued to work
on 
> the Hercules. Hope you enjoy.

Looking good, Curt!  Of course the burning question is, are
you doing an authentic restoration with 70% of the nuts
right side up and 30% upside down?

Rob



From oldengin at udata.com  Wed Jun  2 04:13:48 2004
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 07:13:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] engin help ID
In-Reply-To: <40BA40FC.8010400@udata.com>
References: <200405292312.i4TNC4Cx005363@mxsf18.cluster1.charter.net><005201c445d4$475bfa50$d3f70cd1@VAIO><003301c445eb$687a67a0$30e0a841@ibm22761389857>	<00d801c445eb$ffb99500$d3f70cd1@VAIO>	<007c01c445f4$c671cca0$7e1117d1@net.telenet.net>
	<40BA40FC.8010400@udata.com>
Message-ID: <40BDB66C.5030702@udata.com>

I posted this a couple days ago and have not gotten any response from 
anyone? Am I the only one who has ever seen and know of a blue 
Titan?????????

> Gday
>    I have a fellow who has an "OSBORNE" engin, yes I know it is a IHC, 
> but would like more info on the Osborne name...  Like his engin had a 
> tag, missing, his engin is blue, his governor bracket is cast into the 
> flywheel instead of bolted onto the flywheel.... His oiler is almost 
> middle of the hopper also. None of these are like mine nor like any 
> other Titans I have seen.  His serial number is stamped on the con-rod 
> next to grease cup (#228) with it also on one flywheel hub. While 
> giving it a good look over I see that the off side flywheel is on 
> backwards to mine, but after more looking see that his has both cut 
> outs in the same location, mine are 180 off.   hmmmmmmmmmm  Also seen 
> two other with the same set-up as mine now please tell me what is 
> going on here?  Pics can be provided if needed and am wondering the 
> year built for this Osborne???  Thanks
>


-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jun  2 04:17:19 2004
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:17:19 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update
References: <40BCAFD8.3010705@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <00fd01c44893$2d58c040$28e031d2@km>

G'Day Curt
Well done on the Herc, starting to look great, No points for the MG  GT
still the same as in 2001 when I was there.

Kerry
Lithgow NSW OZ

PS. I See the R& T sheets are hanging up





> Took a few pictures this weekend as we continued to work on the
> Hercules. Hope you enjoy.
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/6Hercules/Memorialweekend/Weekend.html
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> P.S. Sure hope to see those 5, 12HP Herc's at SIAM just like we saw at
> the 85th anniversary!
>




From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jun  2 04:42:56 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:42:56 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update, now Herc XK's
Message-ID: <55.58f4adaf.2def1740@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/1/2004 10:17:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
bboyce at swat.coop writes:

<< were the
 solid flywheels limited to the xk's >>


Bill,

The XK's had wheels with holes in them, while the JK's had completely solid 
wheels.  I have one JK and two XK's.  The JK is all original, coming from a 
friends family farm in Lynchburg, Virginia. 

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jun  2 05:15:26 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:15:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.
In-Reply-To: <40BD43EB.7070609@zoominternet.net>
Message-ID: <00b001c4489b$4a81d550$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

Off topic, but once again the list has come through, at least in part.
I now have all 4 wheels on the VW bunny held on with the 4 bolts the factory
engineers intended thanks to a list member. It might figure he'd have parts
for such a vehicle as he also appreciates the other small iron such as
Maytags.
Still didn't find a tail light for the beast, but did get a great idea for
"patching" this one from the same list member.
I won't embarrass him by mentioning his name as some might think it sort of
goofy that anyone would hang on to the old VWs............ And appreciate
Maytags at the same time.

Thanks r.c. aka m.t.

Thanks to another list member for the links to auto parts places - one of
which I used to order new wheel cylinders for the '69 Javelin. And thanks to
all the others for other links and locations. I'm filing for future
reference. Looks like I have the job of fixing up this classic car. Anyone
have the "window brackets" that hold the glass in the left door? These cars
had a design issue where the window glass parted ways with the brackets that
held the glass. In this case, the glass didn't only come out of the bracket,
but the bracket is actually BENT, and it's a "pot metal" sort of piece.

In the old days, used to remove the old tape and adhesive and use new window
glass tape to put the glass back into the bracket - anyone have better ways
or ideas? You clean the glass and the bracket channel, put this "tape" over
the edge of the glass and tap the bracket back into place. This special tape
is supposed to hold it together, but doesn't always. How do others do it?
Any auto glass people here on list?

I'm considering talking my brother into selling me the car - I'll post pics
soon.

Bill




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Wed Jun  2 05:44:16 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:44:16 +0200
Subject: [SEL] engin help ID
References: <200405292312.i4TNC4Cx005363@mxsf18.cluster1.charter.net>
	<005201c445d4$475bfa50$d3f70cd1@VAIO>
	<003301c445eb$687a67a0$30e0a841@ibm22761389857>
	<00d801c445eb$ffb99500$d3f70cd1@VAIO>
	<007c01c445f4$c671cca0$7e1117d1@net.telenet.net>
	<40BA40FC.8010400@udata.com> <40BDB66C.5030702@udata.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c4489f$51247440$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Hi Leroy,

The name OSBORNE was given to the engine because the old Osborne dealers sells them
that time. A serial number without prefix letters doesn't work.
Need some part# to look up in the parts book, like flywheels, head, rod
and the hp when you already know that.
Send a picture along, it always says alot.

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl



> I posted this a couple days ago and have not gotten any response from 
> anyone? Am I the only one who has ever seen and know of a blue 
> Titan?????????
> 
> > Gday
> >    I have a fellow who has an "OSBORNE" engin, yes I know it is a IHC, 
> > but would like more info on the Osborne name...  Like his engin had a 
> > tag, missing, his engin is blue, his governor bracket is cast into the 
> > flywheel instead of bolted onto the flywheel.... His oiler is almost 
> > middle of the hopper also. None of these are like mine nor like any 
> > other Titans I have seen.  His serial number is stamped on the con-rod 
> > next to grease cup (#228) with it also on one flywheel hub. While 
> > giving it a good look over I see that the off side flywheel is on 
> > backwards to mine, but after more looking see that his has both cut 
> > outs in the same location, mine are 180 off.   hmmmmmmmmmm  Also seen 
> > two other with the same set-up as mine now please tell me what is 
> > going on here?  Pics can be provided if needed and am wondering the 
> > year built for this Osborne???  Thanks
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> C-ya
> 
>   Leroy Clark
> 
> "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
>             W.A. NANCE
> 
> 
> better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jun  2 06:12:39 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:12:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update
References: <BAY2-F121Uix1TjtTu100006ecd@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <40BDD247.5080103@imc-group.com>

Lyndsay,
The Ronaldson & Tippett posters are compliments of Kerry Morris when he 
was visiting a couple of years ago. Nice photos on these posters. I have 
several copies if there is interest in them....
Curt

Lyndsay Frazer wrote:

> Hi Curt,
>         You are doing a fantastic job on the Herc. It looks great now 
> and I can't wait to see the finished product. I have a 5 HP which I 
> have not started to restore yet but seeing yours is making me fairly 
> keen.
>        Great job mate and good to see your son helping.
>
>            PS. I see a Ronaldson & Tippett poster on the wall. I am 
> only 12 miles from the old factory.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Lyndsay .
>
>
>
>
>                      <original message>
>
>> From: Curt Holland <curt at imc-group.com>
>> Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list 
>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> To: "SEL(new)" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Subject: [SEL] Hercules update
>> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 12:33:28 -0400
>>
>> Took a few pictures this weekend as we continued to work on the 
>> Hercules. Hope you enjoy.
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/6Hercules/Memorialweekend/Weekend.html 
>>
>> Curt Holland
>> Gastonia, NC
>> P.S. Sure hope to see those 5, 12HP Herc's at SIAM just like we saw 
>> at the 85th anniversary!
>>
>>
>>
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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>
>




From falcon at telenet.net  Wed Jun  2 06:11:06 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:11:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.
References: <00b001c4489b$4a81d550$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>
Message-ID: <001701c448a3$113e9640$c41117d1@net.telenet.net>

Use only a couple of pieces of the glass tape. Use windshield urethane
on the rest.
A lot of vehicles from that time have about the same problem. My Camaro
and the Starfire are both that way.
The glass channel gets cleaned good, wiped with alcohol and then I put a
couple small pieces of tape on the ends (they act as a spacer and hold
the glass while the urethane cures). Let it set at least two hours
before you move it much. I usually get everything set up in the door and
then set the glass, then roll it up tight, that holds it in the proper
position and then you just let it set. Done it that way on at least 8
different restores and never had one come apart on it's own.

Patching a lens (if the lens can be separated or easily accessed). Use
play-doh or clay to form a mold for the missing area. Then mix up a
small amount of clear epoxy and pour it into the area. To make it match
the color of the lens use RID dye of the correct color added to the
epoxy.


Steve Williams



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:15 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.


> Off topic, but once again the list has come through, at least in part.
> I now have all 4 wheels on the VW bunny held on with the 4 bolts the
factory
> engineers intended thanks to a list member. It might figure he'd have
parts
> for such a vehicle as he also appreciates the other small iron such as
> Maytags.
> Still didn't find a tail light for the beast, but did get a great idea
for
> "patching" this one from the same list member.
> I won't embarrass him by mentioning his name as some might think it
sort of
> goofy that anyone would hang on to the old VWs............ And
appreciate
> Maytags at the same time.
>
> Thanks r.c. aka m.t.
>
> Thanks to another list member for the links to auto parts places - one
of
> which I used to order new wheel cylinders for the '69 Javelin. And
thanks to
> all the others for other links and locations. I'm filing for future
> reference. Looks like I have the job of fixing up this classic car.
Anyone
> have the "window brackets" that hold the glass in the left door? These
cars
> had a design issue where the window glass parted ways with the
brackets that
> held the glass. In this case, the glass didn't only come out of the
bracket,
> but the bracket is actually BENT, and it's a "pot metal" sort of
piece.
>
> In the old days, used to remove the old tape and adhesive and use new
window
> glass tape to put the glass back into the bracket - anyone have better
ways
> or ideas? You clean the glass and the bracket channel, put this "tape"
over
> the edge of the glass and tap the bracket back into place. This
special tape
> is supposed to hold it together, but doesn't always. How do others do
it?
> Any auto glass people here on list?
>
> I'm considering talking my brother into selling me the car - I'll post
pics
> soon.
>
> Bill
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jun  2 07:15:12 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:15:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update
References: <200406020348.i523mhhh021076@newidea.atis.net>
Message-ID: <40BDE0F0.9050306@imc-group.com>

Rob,
All the nuts will be 100% wrong according to general concensus!
Sprayed the engine base/cylinder/hopper combination this morning at 
6:15. Perfect weather this morning for painting in the "paint booth in 
the sky". Whew no runs! Rolled it in the shop so it can dry today. Only 
have flywheels left....
Curt

Rob Skinner wrote:

>>Took a few pictures this weekend as we continued to work
>>    
>>
>on 
>  
>
>>the Hercules. Hope you enjoy.
>>    
>>
>
>Looking good, Curt!  Of course the burning question is, are
>you doing an authentic restoration with 70% of the nuts
>right side up and 30% upside down?
>
>Rob
>
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>Your ISP has scanned this email for Viruses and Spam Control.
>
>
>  
>




From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jun  2 07:35:47 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:35:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update, now Herc XK's
References: <55.58f4adaf.2def1740@aol.com>
Message-ID: <40BDE5C3.4050702@imc-group.com>

Bill, Tom,
Any thoughts as to what the holes were for on the XK's? Was this to 
support rammed molds? Something for shrinkage?
Was it advances in casting technology that allowed the elimination of 
the holes on the  JK's?
Would be some good history to know....
Curt

Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

>In a message dated 6/1/2004 10:17:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
>bboyce at swat.coop writes:
>
><< were the
> solid flywheels limited to the xk's >>
>
>Bill,
>
>The XK's had wheels with holes in them, while the JK's had completely solid 
>wheels.  I have one JK and two XK's.  The JK is all original, coming from a 
>friends family farm in Lynchburg, Virginia. 
>
>Tom Schmutz
>  
>




From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jun  2 08:21:07 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 11:21:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Herc cart progress update./ now new member.
References: <000501c4484b$3db9cb70$1bba8445@TBerry>
Message-ID: <40BDF063.8030403@imc-group.com>

Hey Tommy! Good to hear from you and glad to know you are out of the 
lurk mode. Please tell the good folks on the list a little something 
about yourself, your business, and of course your old iron affliction.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
P.S. Who knows the link to the SEL's autobiographies page?

Tommy Berry wrote:

>Hello Ill throw in my 2 cents worth on the lock washer debate. On modern
>engines with no lock washers on the oil pans the pans have no gaskets
>but they are sealed with an extremely high quality RTV sealant. The oil
>pan is glued on and the  bolt load is low Thanks for the interesting
>reading.
>
>  
>




From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Wed Jun  2 08:39:33 2004
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 16:39:33 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Herc cart progress update./ now new member.
References: <000501c4484b$3db9cb70$1bba8445@TBerry>
	<40BDF063.8030403@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <40BDF4B5.D71B9EE0@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Curt

http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/intro.htm

Dolly

Curt Holland wrote:

>
> P.S. Who knows the link to the SEL's autobiographies page?
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jun  2 08:54:29 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:54:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list-now car pics
In-Reply-To: <001701c448a3$113e9640$c41117d1@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <00f301c448b9$f4967ff0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

For those old enough or who really care:

http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin001a.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin002a.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin003a.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin005.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin006.jpg

Rust around rear just behind wheels, typical place. Not all around the
wheels yet, mainly to rear.
No rust on tops of front fenders which happened when you didn't keep the
channels below cleaned of mud and salt, etc.
Interior rough, needs carpet and several trim parts, including the aluminum
scuff plates (the pieces across the bottom of door frame.
Rocker panels are good - but then, if I recall they were galvanized and
rarely rusted on these.
No power options - non-power brakes, non-power steering, no AC. 
Auto trans (a mopar if I recall)
Runs but needs carb rebuilt - a 2bbl on a 290 V8.
All 4 wheel cylinders ordered - they are leaking from sitting for years.
Do some looking and find that as a "project car", these aren't cheap, about
2 grand.
A fully loaded and restored AMX can bring 9K +

My biggest question would be how much gas mileage could one get??
I've seen V8 automatics do 27-28mpg. Used to have a 305 Camaro that did 28,
a friend has a Plymouth Fury that got about 25-26mpg.
However, my 232 6 cyl 68 Javelin did about 22mpg...........

Bill

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:15 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.


> Off topic, but once again the list has come through, at least in part. 
> I now have all 4 wheels on the VW bunny held on with the 4 bolts the
factory
> engineers intended thanks to a list member. It might figure he'd have
parts
> for such a vehicle as he also appreciates the other small iron such as 
> Maytags. Still didn't find a tail light for the beast, but did get a 
> great idea
for
> "patching" this one from the same list member.
> I won't embarrass him by mentioning his name as some might think it
sort of
> goofy that anyone would hang on to the old VWs............ And
appreciate
> Maytags at the same time.
>
> Thanks r.c. aka m.t.
>
> Thanks to another list member for the links to auto parts places - one
of
> which I used to order new wheel cylinders for the '69 Javelin. And
thanks to
> all the others for other links and locations. I'm filing for future 
> reference. Looks like I have the job of fixing up this classic car.
Anyone
> have the "window brackets" that hold the glass in the left door? These
cars
> had a design issue where the window glass parted ways with the
brackets that
> held the glass. In this case, the glass didn't only come out of the
bracket,
> but the bracket is actually BENT, and it's a "pot metal" sort of
piece.
>
> In the old days, used to remove the old tape and adhesive and use new
window
> glass tape to put the glass back into the bracket - anyone have better
ways
> or ideas? You clean the glass and the bracket channel, put this "tape"
over
> the edge of the glass and tap the bracket back into place. This
special tape
> is supposed to hold it together, but doesn't always. How do others do
it?
> Any auto glass people here on list?
>
> I'm considering talking my brother into selling me the car - I'll post
pics
> soon.
>
> Bill
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>

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From bercar at shenhgts.net  Wed Jun  2 09:16:52 2004
From: bercar at shenhgts.net (Bernie)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:16:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list-now car pics
In-Reply-To: <00f301c448b9$f4967ff0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>
Message-ID: <ILEPJHGCGMNODDKDIEFAKEEICFAA.bercar@shenhgts.net>

ah, to new for me.... :-)

Bernie

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Bill
Dickerson
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 11:54 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: RE: [SEL] OT - thanks to list-now car pics


For those old enough or who really care:

http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin001a.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin002a.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin003a.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin005.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin006.jpg

Rust around rear just behind wheels, typical place. Not all around the
wheels yet, mainly to rear.
No rust on tops of front fenders which happened when you didn't keep the
channels below cleaned of mud and salt, etc.
Interior rough, needs carpet and several trim parts, including the aluminum
scuff plates (the pieces across the bottom of door frame.
Rocker panels are good - but then, if I recall they were galvanized and
rarely rusted on these.
No power options - non-power brakes, non-power steering, no AC. 
Auto trans (a mopar if I recall)
Runs but needs carb rebuilt - a 2bbl on a 290 V8.
All 4 wheel cylinders ordered - they are leaking from sitting for years.
Do some looking and find that as a "project car", these aren't cheap, about
2 grand.
A fully loaded and restored AMX can bring 9K +

My biggest question would be how much gas mileage could one get??
I've seen V8 automatics do 27-28mpg. Used to have a 305 Camaro that did 28,
a friend has a Plymouth Fury that got about 25-26mpg.
However, my 232 6 cyl 68 Javelin did about 22mpg...........

Bill

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:15 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.


> Off topic, but once again the list has come through, at least in part. 
> I now have all 4 wheels on the VW bunny held on with the 4 bolts the
factory
> engineers intended thanks to a list member. It might figure he'd have
parts
> for such a vehicle as he also appreciates the other small iron such as 
> Maytags. Still didn't find a tail light for the beast, but did get a 
> great idea
for
> "patching" this one from the same list member.
> I won't embarrass him by mentioning his name as some might think it
sort of
> goofy that anyone would hang on to the old VWs............ And
appreciate
> Maytags at the same time.
>
> Thanks r.c. aka m.t.
>
> Thanks to another list member for the links to auto parts places - one
of
> which I used to order new wheel cylinders for the '69 Javelin. And
thanks to
> all the others for other links and locations. I'm filing for future 
> reference. Looks like I have the job of fixing up this classic car.
Anyone
> have the "window brackets" that hold the glass in the left door? These
cars
> had a design issue where the window glass parted ways with the
brackets that
> held the glass. In this case, the glass didn't only come out of the
bracket,
> but the bracket is actually BENT, and it's a "pot metal" sort of
piece.
>
> In the old days, used to remove the old tape and adhesive and use new
window
> glass tape to put the glass back into the bracket - anyone have better
ways
> or ideas? You clean the glass and the bracket channel, put this "tape"
over
> the edge of the glass and tap the bracket back into place. This
special tape
> is supposed to hold it together, but doesn't always. How do others do
it?
> Any auto glass people here on list?
>
> I'm considering talking my brother into selling me the car - I'll post
pics
> soon.
>
> Bill
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>

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From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us  Wed Jun  2 11:32:23 2004
From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:32:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 69 Javelin
Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A720222D@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>

Bill,

It is obvious this vehicle is unsafe at any speed (sorry, Ralph) and should be forever banned from the highways and byways of this great nation. I will arrive late this evening with equipment and a trailer to move it to a place of safety, where it can hurt no one. 

The 69's used a Borg-Warner tranny, type 35 methinks maybe. The Mopar 727 didn't come along in AMC-ville until '72.  The good news is, it should be utter simplicity to make the switch.

Bruce Younger
Lenexa, Kansas USA
mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com
 

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From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us  Wed Jun  2 11:39:13 2004
From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:39:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Auction in Kansaw
Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A720222E@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>

http://gannonauctions.com/06june04.php

Other stuff too; tried to delete off-topic items.

1952 Farmall Super 'M' tractor; Farmall 'H' tractor; Farmall 'B' tractor; these tractors are partially restored, clean, ready to go. Farmall 'H' tractor for parts; Allis 1616 16HP riding lawn tractor (good); Murray 14.5HP 42" riding mower; Cushman 4HP antique water cooled engine; Associated 1 1/2HP antique water cooled engine; Fairbanks-Morse 3HP model Z antique water cooled engine with trucks; Albin antique inboard boat engine; cultivator for 'H' farmall;  2-14" David Bradley plow; antique grain grinder; Skat Blast sandblaster & cabinet 46"X28"X27" with dust collection system; Enco mill R8 spindle 12speed milling machine; Buffalo #22 back gear floor model drill press, #4 taper; Miller Matic model 185 wire welder; Kohler 8HP 120V AC generator mounted on rubber tire cart; 3HP air compressor; 3/4HP Dayton grinder on stand

Bruce Younger
Lenexa, Kansas USA
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From oldengin at udata.com  Wed Jun  2 12:18:47 2004
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:18:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Lathe???
In-Reply-To: <00f301c448b9$f4967ff0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>
References: <00f301c448b9$f4967ff0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>
Message-ID: <40BE2817.7030301@udata.com>

Gday
    I have access to a big big lathe, it has a 16 feet bed,  a 42 inch 
face plate and is HEAVY!  This lathe is said to be one that turned 
locomotive wheels many a year ago. The bed is only inches off of the 
floor and the tool post is knee high. Any ideas or just let the junk man 
get it?

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Wed Jun  2 13:25:53 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 22:25:53 +0200
Subject: [SEL] New-Way model
Message-ID: <000d01c448df$cdc679e0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Hi All,

We had our famous International Stationary Engine Rally at Nuenen
last weekend and one of the club's best model makers brought his
new model with him to shown for every one.
It's still in progress, but great to see especially the details.
The model can be seen at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/newwaymodel.htm

Enjoy,

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl




From wmrohrer at myactv.net  Wed Jun  2 13:57:38 2004
From: wmrohrer at myactv.net (Mike Rohrer)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:57:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 1919 Fairbanks-Morse "Z" Catalog
In-Reply-To: <000d01c448df$cdc679e0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <200406022105.i52L5Chh030473@newidea.atis.net>


I pick up a 1919 Fairbanks-Morse "Z" Catalog, Bulletin No. H245. It is nice
shape.
I can scan it and email it to people on the list or if somebody wants it for
on their website. I think that there was someone that did that.
Contact me off list
Thanks
Mike



From kerogas at the-i.net  Wed Jun  2 14:10:46 2004
From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:10:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Lathe???
References: <00f301c448b9$f4967ff0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>
	<40BE2817.7030301@udata.com>
Message-ID: <004201c448e6$13316a20$be02fea9@oemcomputer>

Even after the inevitable market correction 
with the price of scrap right now ,  leroy, 
 I bet he outbids you anyway 

> Gday
>     I have access to a big big lathe, it has a 16 feet bed,  a 42 inch 
> face plate and is HEAVY!   Any ideas or just let the junk man 
> get it?
 



From dcox at triad.rr.com  Wed Jun  2 14:43:51 2004
From: dcox at triad.rr.com (Dallas Cox)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:43:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update
References: <200406020348.i523mhhh021076@newidea.atis.net>
	<40BDE0F0.9050306@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <009001c448ea$b1cd37a0$6701a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA>

Damn!!!!, Curt , now you got me doing it....................just went
outside and checked the drop
frame truck under my 9 HP economy E and sure enough......
70% and 30%.....................

Dallas



> Rob,
> All the nuts will be 100% wrong according to general concensus!
>> >>
> >



> >Looking good, Curt!  Of course the burning question is, are
> >you doing an authentic restoration with 70% of the nuts
> >right side up and 30% upside down?
> >
> >Rob
> >
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From ELIDAS at aol.com  Wed Jun  2 15:49:16 2004
From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:49:16 EDT
Subject: [SEL] 69 Javelin
Message-ID: <4f.3f0192ca.2defb36c@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/2/2004 2:49:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us writes:

> The good news is, it should be utter simplicity to make the switch

  The end of the crank where the torque convertor fits is different. My 
(feeble) memory seems to remember the hole is smaller for the Borg Warner unit.
 Mike


From transteck2 at msn.com  Wed Jun  2 16:12:15 2004
From: transteck2 at msn.com (ALLEN JEFFREY)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 23:12:15 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.
Message-ID: <BAY3-F4mhRC23XlePqz0003d9c0@hotmail.com>

Bill,

Guy at the glass shop sold me windshield glue and it works great. Pulled the 
channel out and cleaned it. Left the window in the door, but it has to be 
cleaned also. Put a bead in the channel, install it on the lift mechanism 
and set the window on it. Roll it up and leave it for a day or two.

Jeff


>From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.
>Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:15:26 -0500
>
>Off topic, but once again the list has come through, at least in part.
>I now have all 4 wheels on the VW bunny held on with the 4 bolts the 
>factory
>engineers intended thanks to a list member. It might figure he'd have parts
>for such a vehicle as he also appreciates the other small iron such as
>Maytags.
>Still didn't find a tail light for the beast, but did get a great idea for
>"patching" this one from the same list member.
>I won't embarrass him by mentioning his name as some might think it sort of
>goofy that anyone would hang on to the old VWs............ And appreciate
>Maytags at the same time.
>
>Thanks r.c. aka m.t.
>
>Thanks to another list member for the links to auto parts places - one of
>which I used to order new wheel cylinders for the '69 Javelin. And thanks 
>to
>all the others for other links and locations. I'm filing for future
>reference. Looks like I have the job of fixing up this classic car. Anyone
>have the "window brackets" that hold the glass in the left door? These cars
>had a design issue where the window glass parted ways with the brackets 
>that
>held the glass. In this case, the glass didn't only come out of the 
>bracket,
>but the bracket is actually BENT, and it's a "pot metal" sort of piece.
>
>In the old days, used to remove the old tape and adhesive and use new 
>window
>glass tape to put the glass back into the bracket - anyone have better ways
>or ideas? You clean the glass and the bracket channel, put this "tape" over
>the edge of the glass and tap the bracket back into place. This special 
>tape
>is supposed to hold it together, but doesn't always. How do others do it?
>Any auto glass people here on list?
>
>I'm considering talking my brother into selling me the car - I'll post pics
>soon.
>
>Bill
>
>
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From alanb2 at webtv.net  Wed Jun  2 16:40:01 2004
From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:40:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Lathe???
In-Reply-To: "Leroy C." <oldengin@udata.com>'s message of Wed,
	02 Jun 2004 15:18:47 -0400
Message-ID: <2335-40BE6551-1003@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net>

Hi Leroy,

By all means,,,, If you can,,,, GRAB it.

I know I have the biggest lathe on my block now, but if I had one like
that I would have the biggest lathe in the county. 8>))

Wow,, That has to be a heavy bugger.

Alan Bowen  alanb2 at webtv.net
Williamsburg, Michigan

~~~~Leroy?Clark wrote~~~

Gday 
????????I have access to a big big lathe, it has a 16
feet bed, a 42 inch face plate and is HEAVY! This lathe is said to be
one that turned locomotive wheels many a year ago. The bed is only
inches off of the floor and the tool post is knee high. Any ideas or
just let the junk man get it? 
-- 
????????????????????????????????C-ya 
????????????????????????????????????Leroy
Clark




From christison at coastalnet.com  Wed Jun  2 18:04:48 2004
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:04:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Another mystery engine.
References: <1086139936.40bd2e20369d3@webmail.sysim.net>
Message-ID: <003001c44906$c5931a40$9c8986ce@mshome.net>

Ernie Darrow sent some pictures of a small two cycle engine that he is trying
to identify.  To check it out, go to: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/ernie/ 

Thanks and take care.

Ken Christison
Conway, North Carolina
christison at coastalnet.com
http://www.oldiron-nut.com
http://www.syrupmakers.com


From FGreatwestern at aol.com  Wed Jun  2 19:30:57 2004
From: FGreatwestern at aol.com (FGreatwestern at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:30:57 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Old Craftsman Atlas Lathe Part
Message-ID: <a3.5ac8a89a.2defe761@aol.com>

Would anyone know who might have parts for this lathe?  Model No. 101.07403.  
I need 
the Lead Screw Bearing that goes on the right end of the lathe.  Thank you.
Fred Schultz in MI


From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jun  2 19:49:08 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:49:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.
In-Reply-To: <001701c448a3$113e9640$c41117d1@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <00a201c44915$6413b310$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

Thanks to Steve and others for the suggestion of hitting up an auto glass
shop for some windshield "adhesive".
This one I see had been "repaired" before, but seeing how they did it in the
past, no shock it didn't last - they used blue silicone! Yikes! For sure
that won't hold for long.

Got it all out and cleaned up good. Used mineral spirits to do some "rough"
cleaning, will fine tune that with alcohol.

One thought I had years ago was to drill the channel and the glass and use
the tape again and use small machine screws through the whole shootin match,
but I'm unwilling to try that on a window that is very hard to find.

I'll hit the shop up tomorrow for the adhesive.
Not much room in this door to make the assembly with the parts in the door,
so I'll do as I've done so many times before, assemble, let it sit, then put
it back in the door as a unit. It's sat with no window in it for days
already, a few more hours won't hurt.

Thanks again for the tips. Good to know a lot of been down this road before!
I thought it was just an AMC/Javelin thing, apparantly not.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W.
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:11 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.


Use only a couple of pieces of the glass tape. Use windshield urethane on
the rest. A lot of vehicles from that time have about the same problem. My
Camaro and the Starfire are both that way. The glass channel gets cleaned
good, wiped with alcohol and then I put a couple small pieces of tape on the
ends (they act as a spacer and hold the glass while the urethane cures). Let
it set at least two hours before you move it much. I usually get everything
set up in the door and then set the glass, then roll it up tight, that holds
it in the proper position and then you just let it set. Done it that way on
at least 8 different restores and never had one come apart on it's own.

Patching a lens (if the lens can be separated or easily accessed). Use
play-doh or clay to form a mold for the missing area. Then mix up a small
amount of clear epoxy and pour it into the area. To make it match the color
of the lens use RID dye of the correct color added to the epoxy.


Steve Williams



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:15 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.


> Off topic, but once again the list has come through, at least in part. 
> I now have all 4 wheels on the VW bunny held on with the 4 bolts the
factory
> engineers intended thanks to a list member. It might figure he'd have
parts
> for such a vehicle as he also appreciates the other small iron such as 
> Maytags. Still didn't find a tail light for the beast, but did get a 
> great idea
for
> "patching" this one from the same list member.
> I won't embarrass him by mentioning his name as some might think it
sort of
> goofy that anyone would hang on to the old VWs............ And
appreciate
> Maytags at the same time.
>
> Thanks r.c. aka m.t.
>
> Thanks to another list member for the links to auto parts places - one
of
> which I used to order new wheel cylinders for the '69 Javelin. And
thanks to
> all the others for other links and locations. I'm filing for future 
> reference. Looks like I have the job of fixing up this classic car.
Anyone
> have the "window brackets" that hold the glass in the left door? These
cars
> had a design issue where the window glass parted ways with the
brackets that
> held the glass. In this case, the glass didn't only come out of the
bracket,
> but the bracket is actually BENT, and it's a "pot metal" sort of
piece.
>
> In the old days, used to remove the old tape and adhesive and use new
window
> glass tape to put the glass back into the bracket - anyone have better
ways
> or ideas? You clean the glass and the bracket channel, put this "tape"
over
> the edge of the glass and tap the bracket back into place. This
special tape
> is supposed to hold it together, but doesn't always. How do others do
it?
> Any auto glass people here on list?
>
> I'm considering talking my brother into selling me the car - I'll post
pics
> soon.
>
> Bill
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>

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From BillMil357 at aol.com  Wed Jun  2 20:04:23 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:04:23 EDT
Subject: [SEL] 1919 Fairbanks-Morse "Z" Catalog
Message-ID: <3f.2c93d30c.2defef37@aol.com>

Hi Mike,

I have a 1920 3 HP F-M Z engine does your book cover it?

Thanks,

Bill Miller
Memphis, TN.


From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Wed Jun  2 20:28:09 2004
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 20:28:09 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Flax scutching revisited
Message-ID: <BCE3E8D9.8527%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>

Hi all,
A while back someone was asking about flax scutching and what it was.  Well,
Rob and I had been to the flax scutching festival in Stahlstown PA.  So I
dug thru all our vacation tapes and found our PA trip.  To see what
scutching is all about, go here
http://kelley.rustyiron.com/Flax%20Scutching.mov
You may need the PC version of Quicktime to view, which can be downloaded
here
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/standalone/
(don't fear the Apple.... It won't harm you[or your PC])
By the way, it was a very nice show if you every get an opportunity to go.
http://www.laurelhighlands.org/public/cfm/grouptour/flaxscultch.cfm?FUSEACTI
ON=Group
-- 
Kelley Garcia
La Habra, Ka.
USA



From falcon at telenet.net  Wed Jun  2 20:43:12 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:43:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Old Craftsman Atlas Lathe Part
References: <a3.5ac8a89a.2defe761@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00ab01c4491c$e5f58000$b55c14d0@net.telenet.net>

Sears still shows quite a few parts available for that lathe.
Take a look at
http://www3.sears.com/
Enter the Model number and it will bring up that lathe.
Then you can select the exploded view and the parts you need. They also
will list updated part numbers
for some parts.

This site works great for a lot of old Sears stuff.


Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FGreatwestern at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:30 PM
Subject: [SEL] Old Craftsman Atlas Lathe Part


> Would anyone know who might have parts for this lathe?  Model No.
101.07403.
> I need
> the Lead Screw Bearing that goes on the right end of the lathe.  Thank
you.
> Fred Schultz in MI
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jun  2 21:02:39 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:02:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question
Message-ID: <20040603.000241.600.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi List.
I need some "expertise".

I have a 3 HP Briggs that belongs on a Roto-Tiller "Roto-Ette".

I can't get it started because I feel there ain't enough compression.

I took off the head - The valves are working and the cylinder wall looks
good.

If I put my hand over the piston and turn the pulley, there's lots of
compression at the piston.

I went to clean up the valves with a little compound and found that the
intake valve is NOT closing tight.  The exhaust valves IS.

Everything seems to be okay with the valves but I cannot understand why
the Exhaust valve will not seat all the way.  

Question - - - How do you adjust the valves on a Briggs & Stratton ???

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -   
 \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From falcon at telenet.net  Wed Jun  2 21:13:29 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:13:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.
References: <00a201c44915$6413b310$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>
Message-ID: <000f01c44921$20c757e0$b55c14d0@net.telenet.net>

I wouldn't even try drilling that window.
It is tempered and will shatter almost instantly. Heck even a small chip
on the edge will turn one into scrap.

The stuff you want to glue it in is a urethane adhesive, looks like
black caulk.  If you were closer I'd give you a tube. It comes in handy
for a LOT of other things besides glass. Once it cures it is real tough
stuff.  Just make sure you DON"T get it on anything you don't want it
on. It is a bear to get out  of clothes, skin, hair.....  Don't ask.....

Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:49 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.


> Thanks to Steve and others for the suggestion of hitting up an auto
glass
> shop for some windshield "adhesive".
> This one I see had been "repaired" before, but seeing how they did it
in the
> past, no shock it didn't last - they used blue silicone! Yikes! For
sure
> that won't hold for long.
>
> Got it all out and cleaned up good. Used mineral spirits to do some
"rough"
> cleaning, will fine tune that with alcohol.
>
> One thought I had years ago was to drill the channel and the glass and
use
> the tape again and use small machine screws through the whole shootin
match,
> but I'm unwilling to try that on a window that is very hard to find.
>
> I'll hit the shop up tomorrow for the adhesive.
> Not much room in this door to make the assembly with the parts in the
door,
> so I'll do as I've done so many times before, assemble, let it sit,
then put
> it back in the door as a unit. It's sat with no window in it for days
> already, a few more hours won't hurt.
>
> Thanks again for the tips. Good to know a lot of been down this road
before!
> I thought it was just an AMC/Javelin thing, apparantly not.
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W.
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:11 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.
>
>
> Use only a couple of pieces of the glass tape. Use windshield urethane
on
> the rest. A lot of vehicles from that time have about the same
problem. My
> Camaro and the Starfire are both that way. The glass channel gets
cleaned
> good, wiped with alcohol and then I put a couple small pieces of tape
on the
> ends (they act as a spacer and hold the glass while the urethane
cures). Let
> it set at least two hours before you move it much. I usually get
everything
> set up in the door and then set the glass, then roll it up tight, that
holds
> it in the proper position and then you just let it set. Done it that
way on
> at least 8 different restores and never had one come apart on it's
own.
>
> Patching a lens (if the lens can be separated or easily accessed). Use
> play-doh or clay to form a mold for the missing area. Then mix up a
small
> amount of clear epoxy and pour it into the area. To make it match the
color
> of the lens use RID dye of the correct color added to the epoxy.
>
>
> Steve Williams
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:15 AM
> Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.
>
>
> > Off topic, but once again the list has come through, at least in
part.
> > I now have all 4 wheels on the VW bunny held on with the 4 bolts the
> factory
> > engineers intended thanks to a list member. It might figure he'd
have
> parts
> > for such a vehicle as he also appreciates the other small iron such
as
> > Maytags. Still didn't find a tail light for the beast, but did get a
> > great idea
> for
> > "patching" this one from the same list member.
> > I won't embarrass him by mentioning his name as some might think it
> sort of
> > goofy that anyone would hang on to the old VWs............ And
> appreciate
> > Maytags at the same time.
> >
> > Thanks r.c. aka m.t.
> >
> > Thanks to another list member for the links to auto parts places -
one
> of
> > which I used to order new wheel cylinders for the '69 Javelin. And
> thanks to
> > all the others for other links and locations. I'm filing for future
> > reference. Looks like I have the job of fixing up this classic car.
> Anyone
> > have the "window brackets" that hold the glass in the left door?
These
> cars
> > had a design issue where the window glass parted ways with the
> brackets that
> > held the glass. In this case, the glass didn't only come out of the
> bracket,
> > but the bracket is actually BENT, and it's a "pot metal" sort of
> piece.
> >
> > In the old days, used to remove the old tape and adhesive and use
new
> window
> > glass tape to put the glass back into the bracket - anyone have
better
> ways
> > or ideas? You clean the glass and the bracket channel, put this
"tape"
> over
> > the edge of the glass and tap the bracket back into place. This
> special tape
> > is supposed to hold it together, but doesn't always. How do others
do
> it?
> > Any auto glass people here on list?
> >
> > I'm considering talking my brother into selling me the car - I'll
post
> pics
> > soon.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
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From solarrog at pacbell.net  Wed Jun  2 21:45:39 2004
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:45:39 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question
References: <20040603.000241.600.1.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <005501c44925$9f3e3bd0$456b7343@solar>

Clearence for the aluminum block is .005 to.007 intake and .009 to.011
exhaust
You measure with a feeler gauge. Grind the ends till you have the required
clearences. please, a little at a time. It will run if you take to much, but
it will be noisy

Roger DiRuscio,  Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont
Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor
scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast
Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555
510-226-9785 voice mail line
Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly
web site.     scrapologist.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:02 PM
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question


> Hi List.
> I need some "expertise".
>
> I have a 3 HP Briggs that belongs on a Roto-Tiller "Roto-Ette".
>
> I can't get it started because I feel there ain't enough compression.
>
> I took off the head - The valves are working and the cylinder wall looks
> good.
>
> If I put my hand over the piston and turn the pulley, there's lots of
> compression at the piston.
>
> I went to clean up the valves with a little compound and found that the
> intake valve is NOT closing tight.  The exhaust valves IS.
>
> Everything seems to be okay with the valves but I cannot understand why
> the Exhaust valve will not seat all the way.
>
> Question - - - How do you adjust the valves on a Briggs & Stratton ???
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com
>  ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -
>  \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
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From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Wed Jun  2 21:54:02 2004
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:54:02 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question
Message-ID: <142.2b146e2d.2df008ea@aol.com>

Hi Joe,
If memory serves, you set up your bench grinder convenient to your Briggs 
engine, and as you clean up the seats and valve faces, and then lap the valves, 
you keep your feel gauge handy and, from time to time, grind a little off the 
end of the valve stem.  That is your adjustment.   Sound crude?  Well, I think 
the flathead Ford V8's had the same technology.

Regards,
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, Missouri USA


In a message dated 6/2/2004 11:10:44 PM Central Standard Time, jlb94 at juno.com 
writes:

> Question - - - How do you adjust the valves on a Briggs &Stratton ???



From b2 at chooka.net  Wed Jun  2 22:26:46 2004
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:26:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question
References: <20040603.000241.600.1.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c4492b$5d242dd0$650aa8c0@BILLPC>

I don't know which models this pertains to, or even if Briggs had this
feature, but some small engines had a compression release to make them
easier to crank.  There was a second action on the cam that held the exhaust
valve open just a little to accomplish this.  As soon as the engine had a
little speed up the little mechanism on the camshaft would swing out of the
way to give the engine full compression.

See if the exhaust valve closes all the way when you hold the engine upside
down.  I think the compression release would not engage if the engine was
upside down.

It's been a 30+ years since I used to work on these for a living.  I
remember running across this feature and thinking it was kind of silly on
such a small engine.  I can picture the cam action in my mind...sort of.

Maybe someone can be more specific.

B?
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, Minnesota USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 11:02 PM
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question


> Hi List.
> I need some "expertise".
>
> I have a 3 HP Briggs that belongs on a Roto-Tiller "Roto-Ette".
>
> I can't get it started because I feel there ain't enough compression.
>
> I took off the head - The valves are working and the cylinder wall looks
> good.
>
> If I put my hand over the piston and turn the pulley, there's lots of
> compression at the piston.
>
> I went to clean up the valves with a little compound and found that the
> intake valve is NOT closing tight.  The exhaust valves IS.
>
> Everything seems to be okay with the valves but I cannot understand why
> the Exhaust valve will not seat all the way.
>
> Question - - - How do you adjust the valves on a Briggs & Stratton ???
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com
>  ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -
>  \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jun  2 16:44:26 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:44:26 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update, now Herc XK's
References: <55.58f4adaf.2def1740@aol.com> <40BDE5C3.4050702@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <012c01c44957$a9ff9be0$1d131bd3@athlon>

So you could see at a glance that it was in motion?
Balance assist?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules update, now Herc XK's


> Bill, Tom,
> Any thoughts as to what the holes were for on the XK's? 


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jun  2 16:49:57 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:49:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Lathe???
References: <00f301c448b9$f4967ff0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>
	<40BE2817.7030301@udata.com>
Message-ID: <012d01c44957$aa6d78e0$1d131bd3@athlon>

Hmmm, Might be useful for the smaller model bits!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jun  2 17:28:11 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:28:11 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fame at last OT
Message-ID: <013001c44957$b99d6960$1d131bd3@athlon>

Well, Fame finally came to our tiny corner of the world.
Miss Universe lived just round the corner!
We are now selling autographs as a real live residents of Holmesville!!
Hey, wanna bet we dont get rich? <G>
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu Jun  3 03:44:40 2004
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 10:44:40 +0000
Subject: [SEL] New-Way model
Message-ID: <060320041044.7877.3438@mchsi.com>

Looks like a very nice job John, is that considered a 1/2 scale size?
regards,
Curt Andree
> Hi All,
> 
> We had our famous International Stationary Engine Rally at Nuenen
> last weekend and one of the club's best model makers brought his
> new model with him to shown for every one.
> It's still in progress, but great to see especially the details.
> The model can be seen at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/newwaymodel.htm
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> 
> 
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Thu Jun  3 05:14:13 2004
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:14:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Old Craftsman Atlas Lathe Part
References: <a3.5ac8a89a.2defe761@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c44964$49bd0c60$33c8f504@x8h7l9>

I use KAMAN Industrial for my belts and bearings. Typically, I just take the
old bearing in, they measure it and look for numbers and fine a replacement.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FGreatwestern at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:30 PM
Subject: [SEL] Old Craftsman Atlas Lathe Part


> Would anyone know who might have parts for this lathe?  Model No.
101.07403.
> I need
> the Lead Screw Bearing that goes on the right end of the lathe.  Thank
you.
> Fred Schultz in MI
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  3 05:21:05 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:21:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question
In-Reply-To: <005501c44925$9f3e3bd0$456b7343@solar>
Message-ID: <00bd01c44965$4ecb3000$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

I have a good supply of decent used B&S valves for the lower HPs, so if you
ruin one, not to worry - I'd send you a replacement. (assuming I can find
them in the loft)

As was said - a little at a time. Remove the valve, grind a tad off the end,
slip the valve into place, remeasure, and adjust accordingly.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Roger DiRuscio
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 11:46 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Briggs Question


Clearence for the aluminum block is .005 to.007 intake and .009 to.011
exhaust You measure with a feeler gauge. Grind the ends till you have the
required clearences. please, a little at a time. It will run if you take to
much, but it will be noisy

Roger DiRuscio,  Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector
and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle
motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in
Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter
mostly
web site.     scrapologist.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:02 PM
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question


> Hi List.
> I need some "expertise".
>
> I have a 3 HP Briggs that belongs on a Roto-Tiller "Roto-Ette".
>
> I can't get it started because I feel there ain't enough compression.
>
> I took off the head - The valves are working and the cylinder wall 
> looks good.
>
> If I put my hand over the piston and turn the pulley, there's lots of 
> compression at the piston.
>
> I went to clean up the valves with a little compound and found that 
> the intake valve is NOT closing tight.  The exhaust valves IS.
>
> Everything seems to be okay with the valves but I cannot understand 
> why the Exhaust valve will not seat all the way.
>
> Question - - - How do you adjust the valves on a Briggs & Stratton ???
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com
>  ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -
>  \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  3 05:21:39 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:21:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question
In-Reply-To: <003f01c4492b$5d242dd0$650aa8c0@BILLPC>
Message-ID: <00be01c44965$579120f0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

B&S of that HP range doesn't have "compression release" like the Kohlers,
etc.
It DOES have a special grind to the cam to releave a bit of compression, but
if you have the engine at TDC, you are off the part of the cam and can
adjust just fine.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Brueck
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:27 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Briggs Question


I don't know which models this pertains to, or even if Briggs had this
feature, but some small engines had a compression release to make them
easier to crank.  There was a second action on the cam that held the exhaust
valve open just a little to accomplish this.  As soon as the engine had a
little speed up the little mechanism on the camshaft would swing out of the
way to give the engine full compression.

See if the exhaust valve closes all the way when you hold the engine upside
down.  I think the compression release would not engage if the engine was
upside down.

It's been a 30+ years since I used to work on these for a living.  I
remember running across this feature and thinking it was kind of silly on
such a small engine.  I can picture the cam action in my mind...sort of.

Maybe someone can be more specific.

B?
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, Minnesota USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 11:02 PM
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question


> Hi List.
> I need some "expertise".
>
> I have a 3 HP Briggs that belongs on a Roto-Tiller "Roto-Ette".
>
> I can't get it started because I feel there ain't enough compression.
>
> I took off the head - The valves are working and the cylinder wall 
> looks good.
>
> If I put my hand over the piston and turn the pulley, there's lots of 
> compression at the piston.
>
> I went to clean up the valves with a little compound and found that 
> the intake valve is NOT closing tight.  The exhaust valves IS.
>
> Everything seems to be okay with the valves but I cannot understand 
> why the Exhaust valve will not seat all the way.
>
> Question - - - How do you adjust the valves on a Briggs & Stratton ???
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com
>  ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -
>  \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  3 05:22:55 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:22:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.
In-Reply-To: <000f01c44921$20c757e0$b55c14d0@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <00bf01c44965$8a365e80$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

You mean like personal experience :-)

I had wondered that myself, thus I didn't go the drill route. Just too risky
to experiment on such a window.  
I plan on seeing about getting the adhesive from a nearby auto glass place
today and giving it a shot.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W.
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 11:13 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.


I wouldn't even try drilling that window.
It is tempered and will shatter almost instantly. Heck even a small chip on
the edge will turn one into scrap.

The stuff you want to glue it in is a urethane adhesive, looks like black
caulk.  If you were closer I'd give you a tube. It comes in handy for a LOT
of other things besides glass. Once it cures it is real tough stuff.  Just
make sure you DON"T get it on anything you don't want it on. It is a bear to
get out  of clothes, skin, hair.....  Don't ask.....

Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:49 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.


> Thanks to Steve and others for the suggestion of hitting up an auto
glass
> shop for some windshield "adhesive".
> This one I see had been "repaired" before, but seeing how they did it
in the
> past, no shock it didn't last - they used blue silicone! Yikes! For
sure
> that won't hold for long.
>
> Got it all out and cleaned up good. Used mineral spirits to do some
"rough"
> cleaning, will fine tune that with alcohol.
>
> One thought I had years ago was to drill the channel and the glass and
use
> the tape again and use small machine screws through the whole shootin
match,
> but I'm unwilling to try that on a window that is very hard to find.
>
> I'll hit the shop up tomorrow for the adhesive.
> Not much room in this door to make the assembly with the parts in the
door,
> so I'll do as I've done so many times before, assemble, let it sit,
then put
> it back in the door as a unit. It's sat with no window in it for days 
> already, a few more hours won't hurt.
>
> Thanks again for the tips. Good to know a lot of been down this road
before!
> I thought it was just an AMC/Javelin thing, apparantly not.
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W.
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:11 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.
>
>
> Use only a couple of pieces of the glass tape. Use windshield urethane
on
> the rest. A lot of vehicles from that time have about the same
problem. My
> Camaro and the Starfire are both that way. The glass channel gets
cleaned
> good, wiped with alcohol and then I put a couple small pieces of tape
on the
> ends (they act as a spacer and hold the glass while the urethane
cures). Let
> it set at least two hours before you move it much. I usually get
everything
> set up in the door and then set the glass, then roll it up tight, that
holds
> it in the proper position and then you just let it set. Done it that
way on
> at least 8 different restores and never had one come apart on it's
own.
>
> Patching a lens (if the lens can be separated or easily accessed). Use 
> play-doh or clay to form a mold for the missing area. Then mix up a
small
> amount of clear epoxy and pour it into the area. To make it match the
color
> of the lens use RID dye of the correct color added to the epoxy.
>
>
> Steve Williams
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:15 AM
> Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.
>
>
> > Off topic, but once again the list has come through, at least in
part.
> > I now have all 4 wheels on the VW bunny held on with the 4 bolts the
> factory
> > engineers intended thanks to a list member. It might figure he'd
have
> parts
> > for such a vehicle as he also appreciates the other small iron such
as
> > Maytags. Still didn't find a tail light for the beast, but did get a 
> > great idea
> for
> > "patching" this one from the same list member.
> > I won't embarrass him by mentioning his name as some might think it
> sort of
> > goofy that anyone would hang on to the old VWs............ And
> appreciate
> > Maytags at the same time.
> >
> > Thanks r.c. aka m.t.
> >
> > Thanks to another list member for the links to auto parts places -
one
> of
> > which I used to order new wheel cylinders for the '69 Javelin. And
> thanks to
> > all the others for other links and locations. I'm filing for future 
> > reference. Looks like I have the job of fixing up this classic car.
> Anyone
> > have the "window brackets" that hold the glass in the left door?
These
> cars
> > had a design issue where the window glass parted ways with the
> brackets that
> > held the glass. In this case, the glass didn't only come out of the
> bracket,
> > but the bracket is actually BENT, and it's a "pot metal" sort of
> piece.
> >
> > In the old days, used to remove the old tape and adhesive and use
new
> window
> > glass tape to put the glass back into the bracket - anyone have
better
> ways
> > or ideas? You clean the glass and the bracket channel, put this
"tape"
> over
> > the edge of the glass and tap the bracket back into place. This
> special tape
> > is supposed to hold it together, but doesn't always. How do others
do
> it?
> > Any auto glass people here on list?
> >
> > I'm considering talking my brother into selling me the car - I'll
post
> pics
> > soon.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Jun  3 05:26:05 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:26:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update
References: <40BCAFD8.3010705@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <021301c44965$f2ce2fe0$0400a8c0@Dave>

Really looking good Curt! I'm looking forward to seeing it at SIAM next
week!
    Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL(new)" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:33 PM
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update


> Took a few pictures this weekend as we continued to work on the
> Hercules. Hope you enjoy.
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/6Hercules/Memorialweekend/Weekend.html
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> P.S. Sure hope to see those 5, 12HP Herc's at SIAM just like we saw at
> the 85th anniversary!
>
>
>
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From kerogas at the-i.net  Thu Jun  3 06:47:18 2004
From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:47:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.
References: <00a201c44915$6413b310$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>
	<000f01c44921$20c757e0$b55c14d0@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <002901c44971$4ab933c0$be02fea9@oemcomputer>


> The stuff you want to glue it in is a urethane adhesive, looks like
> black caulk.  If you were closer I'd give you a tube. It comes in handy
> for a LOT of other things besides glass. Once it cures it is real tough
> stuff.  Just make sure you DON"T get it on anything you don't want it
> on. It is a bear to get out  of clothes, skin, hair.....  Don't ask.....

if you cant find that so easy wally world and everybody else too has goop ?
adhesives
a cyanoacrylate based thick  stuff  will stick to glass permanently . lots
cheaper than eurthane
just as tenacious



From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Jun  3 07:11:26 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:11:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re:  Briggs Question
Message-ID: <20040603.101400.284.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks to all (Roger - Ron - Bill B. - Bill D.) for answering my question
on adjusting the Briggs valves.

This is one of the engines I picked up from an old fellow in a
neighboring borough.
He needed to make space and gave me 8 small engines and this Roto-Tiller.
I got 2 Sears Square Base Briggs running and a model 8 that I sold.
There was also a 1936 Briggs Model "B" that I sold.  
This is the last of the engines (Roto-Tiller) and I think there's hope
for it.

I figured I'd have to grind recalling posts from the past.

I am a little hesitant to start grinding as the engine had run (according
to the carbon) before.  But I couldn't find any adjustment.  And, cannot
imagine how the valve would "grow" - Unless the seat wore down.   I have
a couple spare valves from junkers.
I'll try to see if one of those fits any better.

I had a 1936 Model "B" - with crank - that had a compression release like
Bill B. mentioned - and - looked for something that might serve the same
purpose but couldn't find any.  Anyway, a compression release usually
works on the exhaust valve, not the intake valve - Right ?  

This is a small 3HP & I don't THINK it would have a compression release.


From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Jun  3 06:45:44 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:45:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fame at last OT
Message-ID: <20040603.101400.284.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Reg,

Nice to be famous isn't it ?

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -   
 \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From EnginePaul at aol.com  Thu Jun  3 07:17:30 2004
From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:17:30 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Lathe???
Message-ID: <148.2b26ce54.2df08cfa@aol.com>

The question to ask are:
Can you afford to move it?
Do you have space?
Do you have power?
Paul, with limited space in San Francisco


From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  3 07:33:37 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:33:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.
In-Reply-To: <002901c44971$4ab933c0$be02fea9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <004801c44977$cfa17f60$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

Love your description - thanks, will keep in mind

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Balyeat
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 8:47 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - thanks to list for VW bolts etc.



> The stuff you want to glue it in is a urethane adhesive, looks like 
> black caulk.  If you were closer I'd give you a tube. It comes in 
> handy for a LOT of other things besides glass. Once it cures it is 
> real tough stuff.  Just make sure you DON"T get it on anything you 
> don't want it on. It is a bear to get out  of clothes, skin, hair.....  
> Don't ask.....

if you cant find that so easy wally world and everybody else too has goop R
adhesives a cyanoacrylate based thick  stuff  will stick to glass
permanently . lots cheaper than eurthane just as tenacious

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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  3 07:38:10 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:38:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re:  Briggs Question
In-Reply-To: <20040603.101400.284.2.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <004901c44978$74131f90$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

Mechanical compression release works as a weight on the cam gear, it
operates a lever that is embedded in the cam lobe - gives the valve some
lift where there would normally be none.
As the engine speeds up, the weight moves outward, pulling the lever in and
letting the valve operate as normal.
B&S more commonly used a special cam grind to accomplish similar on their
small aluminum engines. Yes, the exhaust valve was lifted ever-so-slightly
to relieve some compression on the compression stroke. The idea was that as
the engine sped up, this would have little impact on the running and power
of the engine. Well, their engines always seemed to have enough power for
me.

Have you noticed that it now takes a 4.5 or 5hp engine to run the same
rotary lawn mower that we used to run with a 3 or 3.5 hp engine? 
Thank your government and blade speed limits for that............

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 9:11 AM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Re: Briggs Question


Thanks to all (Roger - Ron - Bill B. - Bill D.) for answering my question on
adjusting the Briggs valves.

This is one of the engines I picked up from an old fellow in a neighboring
borough. He needed to make space and gave me 8 small engines and this
Roto-Tiller. I got 2 Sears Square Base Briggs running and a model 8 that I
sold. There was also a 1936 Briggs Model "B" that I sold.  
This is the last of the engines (Roto-Tiller) and I think there's hope for
it.

I figured I'd have to grind recalling posts from the past.

I am a little hesitant to start grinding as the engine had run (according to
the carbon) before.  But I couldn't find any adjustment.  And, cannot
imagine how the valve would "grow" - Unless the seat wore down.   I have
a couple spare valves from junkers.
I'll try to see if one of those fits any better.

I had a 1936 Model "B" - with crank - that had a compression release like
Bill B. mentioned - and - looked for something that might serve the same
purpose but couldn't find any.  Anyway, a compression release usually works
on the exhaust valve, not the intake valve - Right ?  

This is a small 3HP & I don't THINK it would have a compression release.
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From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Thu Jun  3 10:16:07 2004
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:16:07 EDT
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20[SEL]=20OT=20-=20thanks=20to=20list=20for=20?=
	=?ISO-8859-1?Q?VW=20bolts=20etc.,=20goop=20=AE=20uses?=
Message-ID: <1e1.223e7477.2df0b6d7@aol.com>

Hi Chuck, Bill, and All,

This goop ? that Chuck mentioned is all around wonderful stuff.  I have 
repaired cracked plastic cold water pipes, a garden hose I hit with the lawn mower, 
joined leather belting, reattached chrome trim that was coming off an 
automobile, and patched cracks and peeling places in old tractor tires.  When you get 
to the hardware store and look for it, you will find "goop ? " to have 
several variations, all packed in about 4 ounce tubes.  Don't be concerned about the 
different types, they all seem to be the same.  I think the different labels 
are so that people will buy more product for different uses.  

The finest and highest (actually, lowest) use I have had for goop ? was to 
repair the sewage holding tank on  the old Winnie.  It hung low, and was in the 
middle, and the wheelbase was long.  So, I would hit it on stuff like railroad 
tracks and the plastic tank would crack and leak.  I found I could hose it 
out, rinse the outside off, let it dry and then apply a couple of beads of goop 
? down the cracks.  It would seal it until I hit something again and broke it 
open.  I did that several times and never had to replace the tank, which was a 
real savings in material and labor.

Clean the threads on the tube when you finish, and cap it tightly.  It still 
may require a pair or pliers to reopen.  If you don't cap tightly, it will 
harden in the tube.

I keep several new tubes of goop ? stashed in various tool boxes.  With a 
little of goop ?, and some duct tape to hold things while the goop ? sets, often 
the hopeless is back in service.

Chuck, thanks for mentioning goop ?.

Regards,
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, MIssouri USA

PS:  Historically, I believe goop ? is a descendent of a product of the 60's, 
Shoe Goo, which was sold in small cans to be used for repairing worn soles on 
shoes.  Slather it on, build up several layers, let it harden, and, walk on 
it.  I tried that once but it seemed too much trouble. 
  

In a message dated 6/3/2004 9:00:04 AM Central Standard Time, 
kerogas at the-i.net writes:

> if you cant find that so easy wally world and everybody else too has goop ?
> adhesives
> a cyanoacrylate based thick  stuff  will stick to glass permanently . lots
> cheaper than eurthane
> just as tenacious
> 



From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Thu Jun  3 10:48:02 2004
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:48:02 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Re:  Briggs Question
Message-ID: <1ed.22423453.2df0be52@aol.com>

Hi Joe,
It is unlikely that the valve will need much, if any stem removed to adjust 
it unless it has had a lot of running or maybe had the seat and face lapped.  

Just for grins, try spinning the engine backward to see if it shows 
compression in that direction.  If it has a compression release, that may defeat it and 
let you see what is happening in the running mode.  

Regards,
Ron

In a message dated 6/3/2004 9:27:42 AM Central Standard Time, jlb94 at juno.com 
writes:

> This is a small 3HP &I don't THINK it would have a compression release.
> 



From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun  3 11:22:17 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:22:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re:  Briggs Question
In-Reply-To: <1ed.22423453.2df0be52@aol.com>
Message-ID: <007001c44997$cced7560$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

In order for it to have enough wear to need "adjustment", you'd most likely
be able to see wear in the valve face - you'll see a ring worn into the
valve.
Otherwise, I've only ever had to make the clearance adjustment on a couple
(that's over 30 years time) that didn't have valves ground or lapped.
If you have that much valve wear, they need to be ground and lapped anyway.
If the valve doesn't look visibly worn, chances are the clearance is still
within range like MT says.
Valves and seats wear, that's what causes the loss of clearance. Otherwise,
other ordinary wear should actually increase valve clearance (tappet and cam
wear, stem wear, etc.)
When it comes down to it - it's unusual to have to make clearance
adjustments on small block B&S engines unless there has also been other
valve related work done.
Due to the cam grind, you won't really feel a hard hit on compression like
you may on similar engines of other brands. B&S simply turns over easier and
more smoothly.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
MaytagTwin at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:48 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Briggs Question


Hi Joe,
It is unlikely that the valve will need much, if any stem removed to adjust 
it unless it has had a lot of running or maybe had the seat and face lapped.


Just for grins, try spinning the engine backward to see if it shows 
compression in that direction.  If it has a compression release, that may
defeat it and 
let you see what is happening in the running mode.  

Regards,
Ron

In a message dated 6/3/2004 9:27:42 AM Central Standard Time, jlb94 at juno.com

writes:

> This is a small 3HP &I don't THINK it would have a compression 
> release.
> 

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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Thu Jun  3 12:14:10 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:14:10 +0200
Subject: [SEL] New-Way model
References: <060320041044.7877.3438@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c4499e$f2f1cd90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Curt, I talked to the man and he said 1: 4.
     Another one asked for the castings, but he
never used castings, even the cilinder head is
made at the lathe with a pairing chisel he said.

Regards,
John Hammink



> Looks like a very nice job John, is that considered a 1/2 scale size?
> regards,
> Curt Andree




From chesnimnus at juno.com  Thu Jun  3 13:30:52 2004
From: chesnimnus at juno.com (chesnimnus at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:30:52 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 3
Message-ID: <20040603.133122.492.2947@webmail06.lax.untd.com>


You should join the AMC List if you have not already done so.  To join, visit the AMX Files, and follow the directions.  I know of some good people to call for parts and information on that, but you will need to let me know, and be patient, as I will leave tonight for two weeks for a trail run, and will not be answering mail for a while.
-Colin

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Bill
Dickerson
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 11:54 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: RE: [SEL] OT - thanks to list-now car pics


For those old enough or who really care:

http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin001a.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin002a.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin003a.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin005.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin006.jpg

Rust around rear just behind wheels, typical place. Not all around the
wheels yet, mainly to rear.
No rust on tops of front fenders which happened when you didn't keep the
channels below cleaned of mud and salt, etc.
Interior rough, needs carpet and several trim parts, including the aluminum
scuff plates (the pieces across the bottom of door frame.
Rocker panels are good - but then, if I recall they were galvanized and
rarely rusted on these.
No power options - non-power brakes, non-power steering, no AC. 
Auto trans (a mopar if I recall)
Runs but needs carb rebuilt - a 2bbl on a 290 V8.
All 4 wheel cylinders ordered - they are leaking from sitting for years.
Do some looking and find that as a "project car", these aren't cheap, 
about
2 grand.
A fully loaded and restored AMX can bring 9K +

My biggest question would be how much gas mileage could one get??
I've seen V8 automatics do 27-28mpg. Used to have a 305 Camaro that did 28,
a friend has a Plymouth Fury that got about 25-26mpg.
However, my 232 6 cyl 68 Javelin did about 22mpg...........

Bill



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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Thu Jun  3 13:34:52 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:34:52 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Rally 2004.
Message-ID: <000901c449aa$398a9d30$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>


Hi All,

I put some images together on a page of our last weekend
held International Stationary Engine Rally at Nuenen.
Pictures can be seen at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/nuenen2004.htm

Enjoy,

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jun  3 04:22:01 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:22:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Household Junk 
Message-ID: <000401c449af$1d5c28e0$6a0d1bd3@athlon>


>  How Household Junk Can Grow Into Mountains
>
>  June 1, 2004
>   By ANAHAD O'CONNOR
>
>
>  People who compulsively hoard objects have singular
>  patterns of brain activity that distinguish them from other
>  patients with obsessive compulsive disorder, a new study
>  finds.
>
>  Researchers say the study, based on brain scans of
>  compulsive hoarders, provides the first solid evidence that
>  hoarding defines a distinct subset of patients. The
>  research might also open a door to new treatments for the
>  illness, which is often unaffected by standard drugs.
>
>  "This adds to the evidence that O.C.D. is a heterogeneous
>  disorder, not a single entity," said Dr. Sanjaya Saxena,
>  director of the research program on the condition at the
>  Neuropsychiatric Institute at the University of California,
>  Los Angeles. "More specifically, it shows that compulsive
>  hoarding may be a variant or subtype that requires its own
>  type of treatment."
>
>  Scientists have long been puzzled by pathological hoarding,
>  which afflicts up to 40 percent of the seven million to
>  eight million Americans with obsessive compulsive disorder.
>  As a group, studies show, excessive hoarders, who fill
>  their houses with accumulations of junk, usually
>  newspapers, bags of old clothing and lists, experience more
>  anxiety, depression and social disability than obsessive
>  compulsive patients with other symptoms. The hoarders are
>  also less likely to seek help. Experts say eviction notices
>  or social workers often bring to light compulsive hoarders'
>  problems.
>
>  The new study, in The American Journal of Psychiatry today,
>  compared 45 obsessive compulsive adults, including 12
>  hoarders, with 17 healthy participants. Compulsive
>  hoarders, compared with people with other compulsive
>  symptoms, had decreased activity in the anterior cingulate,
>  a brain structure involved in decision making and problem
>  solving.
>
>  The hoarders also showed less activation than the healthy
>  subjects in the posterior cingulate, an area involved in
>  spatial orientation, memory and emotion..
>
>  The findings, said Dr. Dennis L. Murphy of the National
>  Institute of Mental Health, who was not involved with the
>  study, are the first step toward defining "hoarding as not
>  just a phenomenon, but as something that might have a
>  different basis in brain activity."
>
>  Dr. Saxena said the study might explain why hoarders are so
>  attached to their possessions. Deciding what to keep and
>  what to discard is often a struggle. They are tormented by
>  fears of throwing out items that may be needed one day.
>  Often, the objects are kept in the open, stacked to the
>  ceiling in the living room, the kitchen or even on the bed,
>  Dr. Saxena said. That may result from the lower activity
>  levels in brain regions that govern memory and spatial
>  orientation.
>
>  "It may have to do with the difficulty they have in their
>  visual spatial processing," he said. "And they may have
>  some trouble remembering where things are and feel that
>  they need to have them in sight."
>
>  Hoarders rarely respond to serotonin enhancers like Prozac,
>  Luvox or other standard drugs used to treat obsessive
>  compulsive disorder. The researchers said they were looking
>  into the effectiveness of newer drugs, including one that
>  can increase activity in the anterior cingulate.
>
>
>
ttp://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/01/health/psychology/01hoar.html?ex=108711005
> &ei=1&en=2350565b6ca925b0
>
>
>  Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company



From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Thu Jun  3 14:11:42 2004
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:11:42 +0100
Subject: [SEL] hercules question
Message-ID: <40BF940E.5E4DA086@insulate.co.uk>

Hi all
After dinner I had a little play with the 3HP Hercules and from when I
last ran it (New Year Crank-up) the gear meshing sound is very loud.
Last year at Portland I bought a new govenor gear and this gear seems to
sit too far away from the middle timing gear and chatters big time!
There's a stuffer greaser which feeds the middle timing gear and when
the engine is turning, you can feel the ratchetty meshing of the cogs
through the greaser shaft.  I thought it was all the slop between the
govenor gear but the vibration is from the middle (timing) gear.
Are these engines niosy on the gears?
Any info or opinions greatly appreciated!

Jim
--
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk



From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  3 16:50:41 2004
From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 09:50:41 +1000
Subject: [SEL] hercules question
Message-ID: <BAY2-F158G9BB3mfVJ500041357@hotmail.com>

Hi Jim,
          I find most of the smaller Hercs are very noisy in the gear train. 
On my one and a half hp I had a new governer and crank gear cut but it was 
still fairly noisy. I decided the only way out was to make an accentric cam 
gear pin which I could rotate to bring the gears into better mesh. This 
helped a fair bit but I think it would have been better to get a cam gear 
cut as well but the cost for me was prohibitive.
        At a Rally with all the other engines running you don't really 
notice the rattle; it's when yours is the only engine going that it is a 
very noticeable. I would certainly make a new cam pin though to get rid of 
the vibration there.
        It also sounds like that new governer gear may not be quite right.

Regards,
Lyndsay in Oz.





>From: Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: Stationary Engine List <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] hercules question
>Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:11:42 +0100
>
>Hi all
>After dinner I had a little play with the 3HP Hercules and from when I
>last ran it (New Year Crank-up) the gear meshing sound is very loud.
>Last year at Portland I bought a new govenor gear and this gear seems to
>sit too far away from the middle timing gear and chatters big time!
>There's a stuffer greaser which feeds the middle timing gear and when
>the engine is turning, you can feel the ratchetty meshing of the cogs
>through the greaser shaft.  I thought it was all the slop between the
>govenor gear but the vibration is from the middle (timing) gear.
>Are these engines niosy on the gears?
>Any info or opinions greatly appreciated!
>
>Jim
>--
>Jim French
>fbi at insulate.co.uk
>http://www.insulate.co.uk
>
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From FGreatwestern at aol.com  Thu Jun  3 18:53:09 2004
From: FGreatwestern at aol.com (FGreatwestern at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:53:09 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Old Craftsman Atlas Lathe Part
Message-ID: <88.bf599d2.2df13005@aol.com>

Steve,
Thanks a lot.  I'll check it out.
Fred


From FGreatwestern at aol.com  Thu Jun  3 20:07:53 2004
From: FGreatwestern at aol.com (FGreatwestern at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:07:53 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Old Craftsman Atlas Lathe Part
Message-ID: <1e0.22488fa8.2df14189@aol.com>

Thank you very much, Ed.
Fred


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jun  3 17:23:23 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:23:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] New-Way model
References: <060320041044.7877.3438@mchsi.com>
	<003a01c4499e$f2f1cd90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <00ee01c44a0e$e547c4e0$6a0d1bd3@athlon>

Hi John. That is an awesome effort there.
I show my full size one with no cowl as I reckon the work casting the top
end should be shown!
I feel like going back to swinging in the trees after seeing that!!
Always there is someone who is so much better than you, no matter what the
subject, eh.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 5:14 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New-Way model


> Curt, I talked to the man and he said 1: 4.
>      Another one asked for the castings, but he
> never used castings, even the cilinder head is
> made at the lathe with a pairing chisel he said.
>
> Regards,
> John Hammink
>
>
>
> > Looks like a very nice job John, is that considered a 1/2 scale size?
> > regards,
> > Curt Andree
>
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jun  3 17:28:25 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:28:25 +1000
Subject: [SEL] hercules question
References: <40BF940E.5E4DA086@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00f101c44a0e$eb022380$6a0d1bd3@athlon>

Yup!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

> Are these engines niosy on the gears?
> Jim



From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Jun  4 05:05:07 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 08:05:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] hercules question
References: <40BF940E.5E4DA086@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <40C06573.6050707@imc-group.com>

Jim,
By chance have you checked for a very worn babbitt shell bearing that 
would be letting the crankshaft ride too low. This would make the 
spacing between the cam gear and the crank gear closer than it should 
be. Bottomed out gears will make more racket than loose ones.
I have a 3HP Jaeger that makes no gear noise at all. If the shells are 
worn the good news is they are a piece of cake to change. A half hour of 
work and you will be done.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Jim French wrote:

>Hi all
>After dinner I had a little play with the 3HP Hercules and from when I
>last ran it (New Year Crank-up) the gear meshing sound is very loud.
>Last year at Portland I bought a new govenor gear and this gear seems to
>sit too far away from the middle timing gear and chatters big time!
>There's a stuffer greaser which feeds the middle timing gear and when
>the engine is turning, you can feel the ratchetty meshing of the cogs
>through the greaser shaft.  I thought it was all the slop between the
>govenor gear but the vibration is from the middle (timing) gear.
>Are these engines niosy on the gears?
>Any info or opinions greatly appreciated!
>
>Jim
>--
>Jim French
>fbi at insulate.co.uk
>http://www.insulate.co.uk
>
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>
>
>  
>




From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jun  4 05:51:11 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:51:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] hercules question
References: <40BF940E.5E4DA086@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <002401c44a32$9d838940$0400a8c0@Dave>

> Hi all
> After dinner I had a little play with the 3HP Hercules and from when I
> last ran it (New Year Crank-up) the gear meshing sound is very loud.
> Last year at Portland I bought a new govenor gear and this gear seems to
> sit too far away from the middle timing gear and chatters big time!
> There's a stuffer greaser which feeds the middle timing gear and when
> the engine is turning, you can feel the ratchetty meshing of the cogs
> through the greaser shaft.  I thought it was all the slop between the
> govenor gear but the vibration is from the middle (timing) gear.
> Are these engines niosy on the gears?
> Any info or opinions greatly appreciated!
> Jim

Hi Jim, The gears on your 3 HP Hercules should not be that noisy. Are you
sure that the gear that you bought was the correct one? What was wrong with
the old gear? Did it make the same noise? Is the timing (cam) gear shaft
loose?
    Dave



From glenn.karch at gte.net  Fri Jun  4 06:51:42 2004
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:51:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update, now Herc XK's
References: <55.58f4adaf.2def1740@aol.com> <40BDE5C3.4050702@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c44a3b$134c2620$5f29ea41@oemcomputer>

To all,

The change to the 3 hole flywheels was a safety measure.  It first occurred
on the industrial used engines (Jaeger).  It helped to keep idiots and
shovel handles from getting mixed up in the flywheels. No claims are made
for the positioning of the square nuts on Jaeger mixers.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules update, now Herc XK's


> Bill, Tom,
> Any thoughts as to what the holes were for on the XK's? Was this to
> support rammed molds? Something for shrinkage?
> Was it advances in casting technology that allowed the elimination of
> the holes on the  JK's?
> Would be some good history to know....
> Curt
>
> Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>
> >In a message dated 6/1/2004 10:17:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >bboyce at swat.coop writes:
> >
> ><< were the
> > solid flywheels limited to the xk's >>
> >
> >Bill,
> >
> >The XK's had wheels with holes in them, while the JK's had completely
solid
> >wheels.  I have one JK and two XK's.  The JK is all original, coming from
a
> >friends family farm in Lynchburg, Virginia.
> >
> >Tom Schmutz
> >
> >
>
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jun  4 11:55:11 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:55:11 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update, now Herc XK's
Message-ID: <1ad.2486fa66.2df21f8f@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/2/2004 11:01:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
curt at imc-group.com writes:

<< Any thoughts as to what the holes were for on the XK's? >>


Curt,

I always assumed that the holes were there to make for a certain weight 
flywheel, and it was simpler than making spokes. But, I have no idea.  I guess 
there is some correlation between engine size/rpm/hp/etc., and flywheel 
size/weight.  Your thought on shrinkage is a good possibility too. 

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us  Fri Jun  4 14:44:27 2004
From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:44:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Nuenen
Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7202255@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>


>Hi All,

>I put some images together on a page of our last weekend
>held International Stationary Engine Rally at Nuenen.
>Pictures can be seen at:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/nuenen2004.htm

>Enjoy,

>John Hammink
>Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
>jg.hammink at quicknet.nl

John,

Thanks for the pictures. I am continually amazed at the workmanship 
exhibited in your shows. The finish on Harry's Monitor beats most 
new cars...

On the Otto-Deutz (and licence) engines, what is the device below the 
gear on the head end of the side shaft, that looks something like a 
cooking pot?

Thanks,

Bruce Younger
Lenexa, Kansas USA
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Fri Jun  4 15:22:36 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 00:22:36 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Nuenen
References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7202255@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>
Message-ID: <002101c44a82$70be2550$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Bruce, the one under the gears is the governor "pot".
The turning weights swing out and the "pot" protect
you for fatal accidents and collect leak oil.
The other pot is for collecting the abundance oil for
the slide valves.

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl


> On the Otto-Deutz (and licence) engines, what is the device below the 
> gear on the head end of the side shaft, that looks something like a 
> cooking pot?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bruce Younger
/mailman/listinfo/sel



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Fri Jun  4 15:30:32 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 00:30:32 +0200
Subject: [SEL] New-Way model
References: <060320041044.7877.3438@mchsi.com>
	<003a01c4499e$f2f1cd90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<00ee01c44a0e$e547c4e0$6a0d1bd3@athlon>
Message-ID: <002b01c44a83$8c2c2110$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Don't worry Reg, it will cost me many years to get
your level and deep in my heart I'm affraid I will
never reach that.

Take care,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl



> Hi John. That is an awesome effort there.
> I show my full size one with no cowl as I reckon the work casting the top
> end should be shown!
> I feel like going back to swinging in the trees after seeing that!!
> Always there is someone who is so much better than you, no matter what the
> subject, eh.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From bboyce at swat.coop  Fri Jun  4 17:06:41 2004
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 19:06:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update, now Herc XK's
References: <55.58f4adaf.2def1740@aol.com> <40BDE5C3.4050702@imc-group.com>
	<003d01c44a3b$134c2620$5f29ea41@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <000e01c44a90$fbaafe50$6401a8c0@BillyBob>

glenn, are you saying that some jaeger badged hercs had the 3 hole flywheels
? i cant recall ever seeing one,,,what were the years they were built ? were
there any 3 hole herc xk's larger than 6 hp?
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules update, now Herc XK's


> To all,
>
> The change to the 3 hole flywheels was a safety measure.  It first
occurred
> on the industrial used engines (Jaeger).  It helped to keep idiots and
> shovel handles from getting mixed up in the flywheels. No claims are made
> for the positioning of the square nuts on Jaeger mixers.
>
> Glenn
>
> Glenn Karch
> Haubstadt, IN, USA
> Hercules Historian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules update, now Herc XK's
>
>
> > Bill, Tom,
> > Any thoughts as to what the holes were for on the XK's? Was this to
> > support rammed molds? Something for shrinkage?
> > Was it advances in casting technology that allowed the elimination of
> > the holes on the  JK's?
> > Would be some good history to know....
> > Curt
> >
> > Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
> >
> > >In a message dated 6/1/2004 10:17:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > >bboyce at swat.coop writes:
> > >
> > ><< were the
> > > solid flywheels limited to the xk's >>
> > >
> > >Bill,
> > >
> > >The XK's had wheels with holes in them, while the JK's had completely
> solid
> > >wheels.  I have one JK and two XK's.  The JK is all original, coming
from
> a
> > >friends family farm in Lynchburg, Virginia.
> > >
> > >Tom Schmutz
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From ozengine at yahoo.com.au  Fri Jun  4 17:46:00 2004
From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:46:00 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Reg's next door neighbour, Miss Universe
Message-ID: <20040605004600.49647.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey Reg

You beat me to it :-( After watching Miss Universe on
TV last night, I was gunna post some garbage about how
Ms Hawkins was your next door neighbour and how last
summer she helped you work on your latest model, and
how the hot weather up there means the normal summer
gear for pretty girls is singlet, shorts and high
heels....and how...Well, I reckoned Arnie might have
been interested too.

And blow me down if it ain't partly true (well, the
neighbour part anyway. We'd be VERY upset if the rest
is even faintly true). She was the right winner. Go
Aussies!


Graham in Oz

PS I missed the swimsuit section.
PPS Interesting that Miss USA was runner up, but
nowhere near as pretty as our girl.
PPPS Amazing really, Newcastle is a pretty big town!!
PPPS I wonder if she'd like to join a vintage engine
club.

 



>Well, Fame finally came to our tiny corner of the
>world.
>Miss Universe lived just round the corner!
>We are now selling autographs as a real live
residents of 
Holmesville!!
Hey, wanna bet we dont get rich? <G>
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members

Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
http://au.movies.yahoo.com


From glenn.karch at gte.net  Fri Jun  4 19:49:40 2004
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:49:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 3 hole flywheels
Message-ID: <001301c44aa7$c2772ac0$f5c9e641@oemcomputer>

Bill,

Yes, there were Jaegers with 3 hole flywheels starting around serial number
368,000 in 1928 & 29.   They were 2, 2 1/2 and 3 1/2 HP.  The Hercules and
Economy XKs were also made in 8 HP.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jun  5 02:13:06 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:13:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Reg's next door neighbour, Miss Universe
References: <20040605004600.49647.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <010301c44add$54367760$5d111bd3@athlon>

There is a line about her having a bit of Pommie in her.
I know what bit of pommie!!!
Naaah!  aint goin there!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Graham Harris" <ozengine at yahoo.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 10:46 AM
Subject: [SEL] Reg's next door neighbour, Miss Universe


> Hey Reg
> 
> You beat me to it :-( After watching Miss Universe on
> TV last night, I was gunna post some garbage about how
> Ms Hawkins was your next door neighbour and how last
> summer she helped you work on your latest model, and
> how the hot weather up there means the normal summer
> gear for pretty girls is singlet, shorts and high
> heels....and how...Well, I reckoned Arnie might have
> been interested too.
> 
> And blow me down if it ain't partly true (well, the
> neighbour part anyway. We'd be VERY upset if the rest
> is even faintly true). She was the right winner. Go
> Aussies!
> 
> 
> Graham in Oz
> 
> PS I missed the swimsuit section.
> PPS Interesting that Miss USA was runner up, but
> nowhere near as pretty as our girl.
> PPPS Amazing really, Newcastle is a pretty big town!!
> PPPS I wonder if she'd like to join a vintage engine
> club.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> >Well, Fame finally came to our tiny corner of the
> >world.
> >Miss Universe lived just round the corner!
> >We are now selling autographs as a real live
> residents of 
> Holmesville!!
> Hey, wanna bet we dont get rich? <G>
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members
> 
> Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
> http://au.movies.yahoo.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sat Jun  5 03:47:06 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 12:47:06 +0200
Subject: [SEL] The Art of survival
Message-ID: <000901c44aea$7244a300$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Seen at the show, funny thing was it didn't
leak at all.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/survival.jpg

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl




From kerogas at the-i.net  Sat Jun  5 06:35:08 2004
From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 08:35:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] The Art of survival
References: <000901c44aea$7244a300$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <001c01c44b01$ec2ae0a0$be02fea9@oemcomputer>

 
> Seen at the show, funny thing was it didn't
> leak at all.
 

I really dig the way he used the paint to point out the patch too .
He gussied that thing all up and THEN started tapping on the brass 
a bead of silicone under there would assure it water tight . noone'll know 



From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  5 07:35:02 2004
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 07:35:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] hercules question
In-Reply-To: <40BF940E.5E4DA086@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20040605143502.15649.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Jim,
Since the main bearing caps are inclined, I would think that worn mains
would allow the gears to move further apart instead of closer together.
Take a strip of paper, like from a grocery bag, and run it between the cam
gear and crank gear to see if they have clearance. If the paper is cut by
the gears, or if things get bound up, then you need to look at your main
bearings.
If the pin that the cam gear rides on is worn badly, the gear will make a
fair amount of noise, particulary if it lacks grease or oil on the pin.
That noise is more of a singing noise than a ratchety feel. The solution
to a sloppy pin is to replace the pin with an oversized one and clean up
the hole in the gear. My experience has been that just replacing the pin
will get the job done. Grab the cam gear and try to wiggle it sideways to
see how much slop there is in it.
Like Curt pointed out, the mains are inserts and it is not a bad job to
fit new ones if they turn out to be the problem. I have had luck putting a
shim under the inserts and doind a little scraping to get them to run
longer without buying or making new inserts.
I have an engine much like yours, and it is one of my favorites. It is a 3
1/2 hp model S that belonged to a good friend and mentor. It is a good
runner and I am rather fond of the moss growing on the side of it. Here is
a photo of it:
http://members.tznet.com/jprindle/alseconomy1.jpg
When I got it running, I left the twigs and grass laying in the crankcase,
too:
http://members.tznet.com/jprindle/alseconomy5.jpg
People talk about "barn fresh", but this one wasn't in a barn, it sat
under a big white pine out behind the barn, and the gas tank didn't even
leak.
Good luck with your Hercules!
Joe
--- Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi all
> After dinner I had a little play with the 3HP Hercules and from when I
> last ran it (New Year Crank-up) the gear meshing sound is very loud.
> Last year at Portland I bought a new govenor gear and this gear seems to
> sit too far away from the middle timing gear and chatters big time!
> There's a stuffer greaser which feeds the middle timing gear and when
> the engine is turning, you can feel the ratchetty meshing of the cogs
> through the greaser shaft.  I thought it was all the slop between the
> govenor gear but the vibration is from the middle (timing) gear.
> Are these engines niosy on the gears?
> Any info or opinions greatly appreciated!
> 
> Jim


=====
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Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist
See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at:
www.tznet.com/jprindle
Our Club:
www.badgersteamandgas.com
See Yoo in Baraboo!


	
		
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jun  5 09:29:29 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 12:29:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show SEL Area
Message-ID: <005701c44b1a$46e34970$0400a8c0@Dave>

Hi All,
    I've been in touch with Jake Faith about the SEL area at Coolspring again this year (June 17-19.) We will once again be at the end of the third row--near the trees. I'll have the SEL area marked by Wed. (the 16th) for all to see. As you fill up the area, please start from the far end near the trees. That way if we do not need the whole area we can give some back and still all be together.

From jimp53 at juno.com  Sat Jun  5 11:25:24 2004
From: jimp53 at juno.com (Jim Parenteau)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 13:25:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question
Message-ID: <20040605.132528.-70683.1.jimp53@juno.com>


On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:02:39 -0400 jlb94 at juno.com writes:
> Hi List.
> I need some "expertise".
> 
> I have a 3 HP Briggs that belongs on a Roto-Tiller "Roto-Ette".
> 
> I can't get it started because I feel there ain't enough 
> compression.
> 
> I took off the head - The valves are working and the cylinder wall 
> looks
> good.
> 
> If I put my hand over the piston and turn the pulley, there's lots 
> of
> compression at the piston.
> 
> I went to clean up the valves with a little compound and found that 
> the
> intake valve is NOT closing tight.  The exhaust valves IS.
> 
> Everything seems to be okay with the valves but I cannot understand 
> why
> the Exhaust valve will not seat all the way.  
> 
> Question - - - How do you adjust the valves on a Briggs & Stratton 
> ???
> 
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
> jlb94 at juno.com
>  ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -   
>  \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
> 
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From pmaples at anaxis.net  Sat Jun  5 11:26:35 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 13:26:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Keith Kinney's Email Address
Message-ID: <00bd01c44b2a$a494a090$e9f70cd1@VAIO>

Hey Keith if you are out there lurking please send me your e-mail address as
I need to holler at you. I have not got my e-mail address book re-populated
yet since the last crash of my hard drive. If anyone else has Keith's
address just send it my way and I would appreciate it.

Paul




From bercar at shenhgts.net  Sat Jun  5 12:42:45 2004
From: bercar at shenhgts.net (Bernie)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 15:42:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Allis Chalmers b-207
In-Reply-To: <00bd01c44b2a$a494a090$e9f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <ILEPJHGCGMNODDKDIEFAGEIHCFAA.bercar@shenhgts.net>

anyone out there have impliments for an allis chalmers B-207 lawn tractor???
The impliments should fit the entire B series of lawn tractors built
somewhere between the late 60's and early 70's.  These were also sold under
the simplicity line.  Im trying to for a complete set of impliments from
scratch. The primariy items im looking for are the front end loader, fork
lift and generator.

Please contact off list

Thanks

Bernie Carter
bercar at shenhgts.net





From glenn.karch at gte.net  Sat Jun  5 13:03:01 2004
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 15:03:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Keith Kinney's Email Address
References: <00bd01c44b2a$a494a090$e9f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <000901c44b38$1d16c5e0$df29ea41@oemcomputer>

Paul,

It is kkinney at herculesengines.com

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 1:26 PM
Subject: [SEL] Need Keith Kinney's Email Address


> Hey Keith if you are out there lurking please send me your e-mail address
as
> I need to holler at you. I have not got my e-mail address book
re-populated
> yet since the last crash of my hard drive. If anyone else has Keith's
> address just send it my way and I would appreciate it.
>
> Paul
>
>
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From pmaples at anaxis.net  Sat Jun  5 15:06:43 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 17:06:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Computer Help for Engine Manual
Message-ID: <000b01c44b49$65f69090$dff70cd1@VAIO>

OK You computer Guru's I am trying to re-create the front page of my
Original Petter Manual as the front page is torn and wrinkled bad. The words
Petter Oil Engines M Type are in just plain thick block letters and I need
to know where I can go to find this font. If anyone thinks they can help me
I will send you a .jpg picture of the exact words I am trying re-produce.
Thanks




From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Sat Jun  5 15:17:01 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 23:17:01 +0100
Subject: [SEL] New Computer Help for Engine Manual
In-Reply-To: <000b01c44b49$65f69090$dff70cd1@VAIO>
References: <000b01c44b49$65f69090$dff70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <ehh4c017carp2rk79v1gp1j2v3rd6qelh8@4ax.com>

On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 17:06:43 -0500, you wrote:

>OK You computer Guru's I am trying to re-create the front page of my
>Original Petter Manual as the front page is torn and wrinkled bad. The words
>Petter Oil Engines M Type are in just plain thick block letters and I need
>to know where I can go to find this font. If anyone thinks they can help me
>I will send you a .jpg picture of the exact words I am trying re-produce.
>Thanks

OK, let's have a look, Paul.

Peter
 
--
Peter & Rita Forbes
diesel at easynet.co.uk
Engine pages for preservation info:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From jhcullom at adelphia.net  Sat Jun  5 15:17:11 2004
From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 18:17:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New Computer Help for Engine Manual
References: <000b01c44b49$65f69090$dff70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <03ef01c44b4a$d9413950$6401a8c0@john>

Try www.fonts.com to see if there is an example of what you need. Send me
the jpeg & maybe I can find it.
John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> OK You computer Guru's I am trying to re-create the front page of my
> Original Petter Manual as the front page is torn and wrinkled bad. The
words
> Petter Oil Engines M Type are in just plain thick block letters and I need
> to know where I can go to find this font. If anyone thinks they can help
me
> I will send you a .jpg picture of the exact words I am trying re-produce.



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sat Jun  5 15:36:11 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 00:36:11 +0200
Subject: [SEL] New Computer Help for Engine Manual
References: <000b01c44b49$65f69090$dff70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <000b01c44b4d$80e31ff0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Paul, is this the type of letter you're looking for?
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/petterfont.jpg

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl



> OK You computer Guru's I am trying to re-create the front page of my
> Original Petter Manual as the front page is torn and wrinkled bad. The words
> Petter Oil Engines M Type are in just plain thick block letters and I need
> to know where I can go to find this font. If anyone thinks they can help me
> I will send you a .jpg picture of the exact words I am trying re-produce.
> Thanks




From dcox at triad.rr.com  Sat Jun  5 15:53:56 2004
From: dcox at triad.rr.com (Dallas Cox)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 18:53:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show SEL Area
References: <005701c44b1a$46e34970$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <000801c44b4f$fb6f4710$6701a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA>

Thanks Dave, see you and all others Wednesday afternoon.
Dallas

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 12:29 PM
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show SEL Area


Hi All,
    I've been in touch with Jake Faith about the SEL area at Coolspring
again this year (June 17-19.) We will once again be at the end of the third
row--near the trees. I'll have the SEL area marked by Wed. (the 16th) for
all to see. As you fill up the area, please start from the far end near the
trees. That way if we do not need the whole area we can give some back and
still all be together.
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From rexhinz at chorus.net  Sat Jun  5 18:39:47 2004
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 20:39:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT , Can you ID this Mill , Stover ?
Message-ID: <000701c44b67$28dcf320$7586a5d8@rex>

Hi All ;

      I just purchsed a small burr mill at a swap meet , I was told it was
may be a Stover but the man was unsure ,  check out the pic at this address
http://community.webshots.com/photo/113498875/149764754klDFMA  thanks in
advance for any help on Make ,Model and age ,


             Rex Hinz



From jbcast at charter.net  Sat Jun  5 19:06:40 2004
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 2:06:40 +0000
Subject: [SEL] 12hp Economy and grist mill
Message-ID: <200406060206.i5626eod077011@mxsf11.cluster1.charter.net>

They're still out there. From the shed where it ran I picked up a 12hp I think Economy, tag says Engine 140601, rpm 300, 12EK. The mill is a Williams Mill, 16in #B2994. The engine was mostly complete, missing the mag and ignitor. I took it home and cleaned it up, had to pull the head and regrind the valves, had it running this evening. Compression came up and it's hard to pull over by hand now, have to wait for it to bleed off. The mill was a bonus, I couldn't see it when I first went to look at the engine, it was covered with old lumber. It really looks good, the wood is like new, most of the paint is still on it. The metal is a little rusty but all of the bolts and knobs turn by hand. It has a shaker attachment but I haven't figured out where it went yet. I plan to belt it up and grind some corn at the shows.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA  



From glenn.karch at gte.net  Sat Jun  5 19:33:10 2004
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 21:33:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12hp Economy and grist mill
References: <200406060206.i5626eod077011@mxsf11.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <002301c44b6e$9dd22fe0$5329ea41@oemcomputer>

JB,

Congratulations on your 12 EK Hercules engine find with the grist mill
bonus.  EK gives it away.  There were no EK Economy engines.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: <jbcast at charter.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 9:06 PM
Subject: [SEL] 12hp Economy and grist mill


> They're still out there. From the shed where it ran I picked up a 12hp I
think Economy, tag says Engine 140601, rpm 300, 12EK. The mill is a Williams
Mill, 16in #B2994. The engine was mostly complete, missing the mag and
ignitor. I took it home and cleaned it up, had to pull the head and regrind
the valves, had it running this evening. Compression came up and it's hard
to pull over by hand now, have to wait for it to bleed off. The mill was a
bonus, I couldn't see it when I first went to look at the engine, it was
covered with old lumber. It really looks good, the wood is like new, most of
the paint is still on it. The metal is a little rusty but all of the bolts
and knobs turn by hand. It has a shaker attachment but I haven't figured out
where it went yet. I plan to belt it up and grind some corn at the shows.
> J.B. Castagnos
> Belle Rose, LA
>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jun  5 19:43:18 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:43:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 12hp Economy and grist mill
References: <200406060206.i5626eod077011@mxsf11.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <018a01c44b70$06829ce0$0400a8c0@Dave>

> They're still out there. From the shed where it ran I picked up a 12hp I
think Economy, tag says Engine 140601, rpm 300, 12EK. The mill is a Williams
Mill, 16in #B2994. The engine was mostly complete, missing the mag and
ignitor. I took it home and cleaned it up, had to pull the head and regrind
the valves, had it running this evening. Compression came up and it's hard
to pull over by hand now, have to wait for it to bleed off. The mill was a
bonus, I couldn't see it when I first went to look at the engine, it was
covered with old lumber. It really looks good, the wood is like new, most of
the paint is still on it. The metal is a little rusty but all of the bolts
and knobs turn by hand. It has a shaker attachment but I haven't figured out
where it went yet. I plan to belt it up and grind some corn at the shows.
> J.B. Castagnos

Hi J. B.,
    VERY nice "find!" Not at all unlike what I ran across several years ago.
See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Roti_Eng/12Herc/index.html and
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/12herc/dad_herc.html
Your engine was built in 1916. How about some pictures?
    Dave
PS, I take for granted that it's of hit and miss design. I think the T/G
engines built by Hercules were marketed only under the Hercules brand.
PPS, Your engine should have no trouble pulling the mill. The 12 HP Hercules
I had pulled 48" rocks!



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Jun  5 19:48:32 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:48:32 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Information Needed
Message-ID: <24.580c5505.2df3e000@aol.com>

Hi List,
I understand from the research I have completed that the two cylinder Maytag 
came with one of 5 (five) different gas tanks.  The unit that I have has the 
aluminum tank and therefore it doesn't have a flat mounting base.  The other 
tanks are made of cast iron with provisions to hold the engine down.  This 
particular model of Maytag (with the aluminum tank) that I have is supposed to hang 
from an overhead mount.  The P.O. of this engine made a mount so that the 
engine can be fitted to a flat surface.  In order to do this, the top of the gas 
tank was modified to fasten 4 (four) brackets with bolts.  
I would like to obtain a cast tank or find out how this engine was originally 
mounted to an overhead mount.  To date, I haven't been able locate a 
different gas or how the overhead mount is fabricated and where it attaches to the 
engine.  Can anyone point me in the right direction to either find a replacement 
cast iron tank or how to make the overhead mount and connect it to the engine?


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  5 20:14:16 2004
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 20:14:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Upright Questions
Message-ID: <20040606031416.49254.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com>

I am getting ready to start painting and assembling my maytag MOTOR. It is
a vertical, with battery and coil ignition. I have a few questions, for
those who might know. Here goes....
Which fuel tank is better, the one with the sloping sides or the straight
one? I have one of each, and they both would fit.
When assembling the engine, which way does the connecting rod go in? With
the offset end pointing towards the carby or the other way? The crankshaft
for this engine had real good mains, but the crankpin was worn tapered and
oval. Since it is a side crank, it wasn't that bad to fix. The crank pin
had a center in it, and I took a block of steel, bored a hole in it to
slip over the end of the crank and put it in the 4 jaw, then ran my
tailstock center in the center hole in the crank pin. It wasn't the most
rigid setup I have ever done, but I must have had my tongue held just
right because it worked real slick. Last winter I cast a new rod and now I
need to bore it undersized by ten thou to match the crankpin. The heck of
it is that I took the old rod out of the piston, but I can't remember
whether the bend on the end of the rod goes towards the carby or away from
it. I knew I was getting old when I started getting a few grey hairs, now
I seem to be getting CRS, too.
Any help you could give me would sure be appreciated. I tried to look in
the SEL archives on the atis site, but they are not very navigable.
Thanks,
Joe

=====
Joe Prindle
Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist
See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at:
www.tznet.com/jprindle
Our Club:
www.badgersteamandgas.com
See Yoo in Baraboo!


	
		
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http://messenger.yahoo.com/ 


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jun  5 20:13:30 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 23:13:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: OT Memorial Day
In-Reply-To: <003501c4476d$0b24b960$da00a8c0@ARTHUR>
References: <003501c4476d$0b24b960$da00a8c0@ARTHUR>
Message-ID: <7CABCBBD-B767-11D8-AA01-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>


On May 31, 2004, at 8:11 PM, Arthur Southwell wrote:
> I hope all of our USA members attended a memorial service today 
> somewhere. I thank each and everyone of you who laid it on the line to 
> protect our freedom here in the Good Ole USA.

Down at the beach, I played around with slide guitar variations on "The 
Star Spangled Banner." (I'm booked to do that before our church choir's 
patriotic musical program on July 3 & 4.) Saw where "Dear Abby" asked 
everyone with a trumpet or bugle to play "Taps" at 3:00 p.m., so I did 
that on the guitar, too. In an open tuning, that tune's a one-hand job. 
Sounds good on a resonator guitar, though.

Watched lots of war movies on AMC including "The Longest Day." Bought 
the special edition DVD of "Saving Private Ryan" that's out now and 
watched it. Also bought and read a book titled "The War of the Century, 
Hitler vs. Stalin" that's on the discount rack at Waldenbooks. It's 
based on a BBC program on the Eastern Front in WWII, based on 
interviews with people who were there. Well worth reading. Little's 
known by most Americans of the Russian "Great Patriotic War," and until 
recently no Russian war records were publicly available, and no Russian 
veterans or civilian survivors of the war dared speak openly and 
frankly of their experiences. Estimates run around 30 million dead in 
Russia for WWII. It was pretty rough. Then Stalin sent the ones who 
made it back off to Siberia, along with relocating whole peoples from 
areas that had been occupied by the Germans. Darn near as bad as 
Hitler, he was.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jun  5 20:19:25 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 23:19:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP WITTE I Owned
Message-ID: <01b001c44b75$125b80e0$0400a8c0@Dave>

Hi All,
    Several years ago at Coolspring I sold this 8 HP head type Witte (http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Roti_Eng/witte.html) to a man from, I believe, NY. In any event, I forgot to give him the crank guard when he purchased the engine. I'd like to give it to him, but don't remember his name. Does anyone know the guy and/or how I can get the crank guard to him? I could bring it to Coolspring in several weeks if anyone thinks that the fellow may be there. The guard is cast iron and probably worth a few bucks. But I'd rather give it to the man who bought the engine rather than just sell it outright and buy Old Mill with the profit! 
    Dave
PS, Perhaps it's a good Charity Auction Item if I can't find the rightful owner!

From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jun  5 20:22:03 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 23:22:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Finally back on
In-Reply-To: <40BD43EB.7070609@zoominternet.net>
References: <40BD43EB.7070609@zoominternet.net>
Message-ID: <AE705570-B768-11D8-AA01-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>


On Jun 1, 2004, at 11:05 PM, Edward Tabor wrote:

> I'd been noticing no posts from this list ever since the servers were 
> tweaked with the new list software.  I guess somehow I was unsubbed. 
> Well I resubbed and I'm pleased to say, I'm back!!!!
>
> Ed
>
> BTW, John Culp, contact me via private email.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From jbcast at charter.net  Sat Jun  5 20:33:34 2004
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 3:33:34 +0000
Subject: [SEL] 12hp Economy and grist mill
Message-ID: <200406060333.i563XY50075118@mxsf24.cluster1.charter.net>


> Hi J. B.,
>     VERY nice "find!" Not at all unlike what I ran across several years ago.
> See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Roti_Eng/12Herc/index.html and
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/12herc/dad_herc.html
> Your engine was built in 1916. How about some pictures?
>     Dave
> PS, I take for granted that it's of hit and miss design. I think the T/G
> engines built by Hercules were marketed only under the Hercules brand.
> PPS, Your engine should have no trouble pulling the mill. The 12 HP Hercules
> I had pulled 48" rocks!
> 
Dave, Glenn has informed me that it's a Hercules, it is throttle governed. The catalog Ken sent shows 6-8 hp for a 16 inch mill, the 12hp should take it with a smile. I used my wrecker to drag the engine and the mill out from a pile of lumber, have a few pictures but my friends battery went dead on the camera. It could use a facelift but at least it runs for now.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA




From alanb2 at webtv.net  Sat Jun  5 21:12:29 2004
From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:12:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Information Needed
In-Reply-To: FRM8198@aol.com's message of Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:48:32 EDT
Message-ID: <17713-40C299AD-784@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net>

Hi Francis,

I have one of the overhead mounted Maytag twins.  Someone made an angle
iron frame to mount it, but the original mounting plate is still there. 

It is rather thin metal and is attached to the top two bolts/studs on
each side that hold the cylinders on.

This question has come up before,,,,
I guess I will have to take a picture of it as it is now then take it
apart to show the original plate and post the pictures on a web page.
With my new job I don't have much engine time available, but I will try
to get at it soon.  

That Maytag, with the others and a 4hp footed-base Ottawa, is in a Ford
van that that I need to empty out and have the scrap man haul away this
week anyway.

If you would rather have a different style tank then I have a friend
that probably has one for sale.  I could give him a call. He isn't
online. It would be a while before I could grab it for you.

Alan Bowen  alanb2 at webtv.net
Williamsburg, Michigan


~~~~~~You wrote~~~~~

Hi List, 
I understand from the research I have completed that the two cylinder
Maytag came with one of 5 (five) different gas tanks. The unit that I
have has the aluminum tank and therefore it doesn't have a flat mounting
base. The other tanks are made of cast iron with provisions to hold the
engine down. This particular model of Maytag (with the aluminum tank)
that I have is supposed to hang from an overhead mount. The P.O. of this
engine made a mount so that the engine can be fitted to a flat surface.
In order to do this, the top of the gas tank was modified to fasten 4
(four) brackets with bolts. I would like to obtain a cast tank or find
out how this engine was originally mounted to an overhead mount. To
date, I haven't been able locate a different gas or how the overhead
mount is fabricated and where it attaches to the engine. Can anyone
point me in the right direction to either find a replacement cast iron
tank or how to make the overhead mount and connect it to the engine? 
Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jun  5 21:12:35 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:12:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Upright Questions
References: <20040606031416.49254.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01be01c44b7c$7fcac6c0$0400a8c0@Dave>

Hi Joe, Perhaps I can help with at least some if your problems.
From: "Joe Prindle" <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>

> I am getting ready to start painting and assembling my maytag MOTOR. It is
> a vertical, with battery and coil ignition. I have a few questions, for
> those who might know. Here goes....
> Which fuel tank is better, the one with the sloping sides or the straight
> one? I have one of each, and they both would fit.

You will fine that if you use the tank with sloping sides that your MAYTAG
will not start nor run. On the other side of the coin, you will find that if
you use the tank with the straight sides your MAYTAG will not start nor run.

> When assembling the engine, which way does the connecting rod go in? With
> the offset end pointing towards the carby or the other way?

It's always best when putting the connecting rod in to put the end attached
to the piston in first. It doesn't help with making the MOTOR run, but
cosmetically it seems the thing to do.

 had real good mains, but the crankpin was worn tapered and
> oval. Since it is a side crank, it wasn't that bad to fix. The crank pin
> had a center in it, and I took a block of steel, bored a hole in it to
> slip over the end of the crank and put it in the 4 jaw, then ran my
> tailstock center in the center hole in the crank pin. It wasn't the most
> rigid setup I have ever done, but I must have had my tongue held just
> right because it worked real slick.

Joe, PLEASE remember that this is a family oriented List. This sort of talk
is, I'm sure, very acceptable on the LIBERAL lists to which you subscribe,
and I've heard you LIBERALS say that "It's only kinky the first time."
However, kindly remember that we have some women under the age of 40 on our
List with virgin ears!

Last winter I cast a new rod and now I
> need to bore it undersized by ten thou to match the crankpin. The heck of
> it is that I took the old rod out of the piston, but I can't remember
> whether the bend on the end of the rod goes towards the carby or away from
> it.
The MOTOR will not run which-ever way you put it in. But be of good cheer
for NONE of Fred's instruments of the devil ever did run!

> I knew I was getting old when I started getting a few grey hairs, now
> I seem to be getting CRS, too.
> Any help you could give me would sure be appreciated. I tried to look in
> the SEL archives on the atis site, but they are not very navigable.
> Thanks,
> Joe

    I sure hope that I've been of help to you Joe. Someone like you who
supports a looser in the election to be held in about 150 days needs all the
help that they can get!
    Dave
PS, I tried to find your snail on your HP so that I could send you a copy of
the MAYTAG Service Manual that I have copied for friends in the past.
However, your snail is not there. I guess that if Interpol were looking for
me I wouldn't publish my snail either!
PPS, Send me your snail off List. I'll copy it to the envelope into which
I'll put the Service Manual and then eat the paper so that Interpol will not
be able to find it. The Manual will then go out tomorrow and all your
problems will be solved by Wed. at the latest!



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Jun  6 02:18:25 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 05:18:25 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Upright Questions
Message-ID: <7e.502a7788.2df43b61@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/5/2004 9:28:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
rotigel at alltel.net writes:
PS, I tried to find your snail on your HP so that I could send you a copy of
the MAYTAG Service Manual that I have copied for friends in the past.
However, your snail is not there. I guess that if Interpol were looking for
me I wouldn't publish my snail either!
PPS, Send me your snail off List. I'll copy it to the envelope into which
I'll put the Service Manual and then eat the paper so that Interpol will not
be able to find it. The Manual will then go out tomorrow and all your
problems will be solved by Wed. at the latest!
Dave,
This is the site where I found the Service Instructions for Maytag Models 72, 
82, & 92.

http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Maytag_SM.pdf


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  6 08:46:31 2004
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 08:46:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Upright Questions
In-Reply-To: <01be01c44b7c$7fcac6c0$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <20040606154631.46783.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>

Greetings Dave,
You do realize I would have been disappointed had you not responded to my
maytag Motor query, don't you?

--- Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> Hi Joe, Perhaps I can help with at least some if your problems.

Dave, I know you are an amazing fellow, and capable of great things, but
NOT a miracle worker. Thanks for the help, though! 
 
> You will fine that if you use the tank with sloping sides that your
> MAYTAG
> will not start nor run. On the other side of the coin, you will find
> that if
> you use the tank with the straight sides your MAYTAG will not start nor
> run.

Dave, you are assuming that I believe that a maytag MOTOR will run. I
didn't say anything about running it, just putting it together and
painting it to make a nice static display. I call it a static display
because I am sure to get a lot of static from my "friends" when I display
it!
> 
> 
> It's always best when putting the connecting rod in to put the end
> attached
> to the piston in first. It doesn't help with making the MOTOR run, but
> cosmetically it seems the thing to do.

Like I said, running is not the goal, assembling it is. OK, now I get it,
rod goes in piston end up. I knew I was missing something.


> Joe, PLEASE remember that this is a family oriented List. This sort of
> talk
> is, I'm sure, very acceptable on the LIBERAL lists to which you
> subscribe,
> and I've heard you LIBERALS say that "It's only kinky the first time."
> However, kindly remember that we have some women under the age of 40 on
> our
> List with virgin ears!

Kinky involes the use of a feather, while perverted involves the entire
chicken! I do wish to apologise (note spelling of apologise) if I have
offended the fair maiden in question. I will not comment on the "Liberal"
comments for fear of getting too many folk's blood pressure up. You call
it "Liberal", I call it "open-minded". ;-)

> 
>     I sure hope that I've been of help to you Joe. Someone like you who
> supports a looser in the election to be held in about 150 days needs all
> the
> help that they can get!

I think you are trying to bait me into making comments about how I voted
last time or how I made a mistake thinking the guy who gets the most votes
wins. Well, I won't do it because once my man wins in November, I don't
want to seem smug about it.

>     Dave
> PS, I tried to find your snail on your HP so that I could send you a
> copy of
> the MAYTAG Service Manual that I have copied for friends in the past.
> However, your snail is not there. I guess that if Interpol were looking
> for
> me I wouldn't publish my snail either!

I took my address off my page when I admitted to the world that I owned a
maytag MOTOR. I was concerned about the DNR and EPA decending on me with a
BFH. Here it is:
In town:
Joe Prindle
Post Office Box 1381
Wisconsin Rapids, WI, 54495
715-424-0793

Out at the shop and the farm:

Joe Prindle III
3090 8th Drive
Grand Marsh, WI, 53936

The engine I have is a lot different than the 72,82 & 92, so a manual for
them wouldn't do me any good. I am not going to make a habit out of
restoring maytags, but I bought this one for $3 and am only doing it up to
make a few bucks, although I am sort of fond to it, it is sort of a cute
little bugger.

Thanks for all the help, Dave! I am really looking forward to meeting up
with you at our show this year. I have met up with a few people from the
list now, Arnie,Curt Andree, Leroy, Luke T., Marv from mn, John Clemens,
Ed Herreid, Bill Brueck, and a few others, and it is real thrill to meet
folks in person after you get to "know them" via email.It is a real blast.
Even meeting Reg was great, but I need a hearing aid and he needs an
interpreter, between him speaking softly, my hard of hearing, and that
accent, I could just smile and nod. Why can't folks talk normal like we do
up nort' here? Beth was disappointed that she didn't get to meet Reg last
year, but I gave her the traditional Ozzie greeting for him!
Later,
Joe



=====
Joe Prindle
Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist
See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at:
www.tznet.com/jprindle
Our Club:
www.badgersteamandgas.com
See Yoo in Baraboo!


	
		
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Jun  6 07:48:08 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 10:48:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update, now Herc XK's
Message-ID: <20040606.120350.492.3.jlb94@juno.com>

I use the holes in mine to move it around the garage.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -   
 \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Jun  6 07:55:40 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 10:55:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules update, now Herc XK's
Message-ID: <20040606.120350.492.8.jlb94@juno.com>

some jaeger badged hercs had the 3 hole flywheels
=        =        =        =        
I have a 1928 S - 2? HP with 3 hole flywheel in my garage.

(See my webshots under "toys".

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -   
\/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Jun  6 07:59:20 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 10:59:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Show SEL Area
Message-ID: <20040606.120350.492.10.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Dave,

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -   
 \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From christison at coastalnet.com  Sun Jun  6 09:26:50 2004
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:26:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT , Can you ID this Mill , Stover ?
References: <000701c44b67$28dcf320$7586a5d8@rex>
Message-ID: <001b01c44be3$138ec6c0$0100a8c0@mshome.net>

Rex,

In case nobody else has emailed you off list, your mill is indeed
Stover built.  It is one of the larger hand cranked models.  I don't
have any more to offer except it looks like a decent mill.

Take care.

Ken Christison
Conway, NC
christison at coastalnet.com
http://www.oldiron-nut.com
http://www.syrupmakers.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rex Hinz" <rexhinz at chorus.net>
Subject: [SEL] OT , Can you ID this Mill , Stover ?


> Hi All ;
> 
>       I just purchsed a small burr mill at a swap meet 

> 
>              Rex Hinz



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sun Jun  6 14:06:32 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 23:06:32 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.
Message-ID: <000701c44c0a$24e30c20$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>


Dr. Dave, smash your ceramic Old Mill bank!
     Here is the opportunity.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11754&item=3820076062&rd=1

Take care,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl




From sel at antique-engine.com  Sun Jun  6 14:51:01 2004
From: sel at antique-engine.com (Craig Prucha)
Date: Sun,  6 Jun 2004 14:51:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP WITTE I Owned
In-Reply-To: <01b001c44b75$125b80e0$0400a8c0@Dave>
References: <01b001c44b75$125b80e0$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <1086558660.40c391c50273a@login.kupio.lunarpages.com>

Hi dave,

The fellows name is Howard Hoffman, from East Auora, NY. who bought your Witte.
Howard will not be at Coolspring this June but if you want, I can deliver the
crank guard to him. He's a good friend of mine. Thanks, Craig...



Quoting Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>:

> Hi All,
>     Several years ago at Coolspring I sold this 8 HP head type Witte
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Roti_Eng/witte.html) to a man from,
> I believe, NY. In any event, I forgot to give him the crank guard when he
> purchased the engine. I'd like to give it to him, but don't remember his
> name. Does anyone know the guy and/or how I can get the crank guard to him? I
> could bring it to Coolspring in several weeks if anyone thinks that the
> fellow may be there. The guard is cast iron and probably worth a few bucks.
> But I'd rather give it to the man who bought the engine rather than just sell
> it outright and buy Old Mill with the profit! 
>     Dave
> PS, Perhaps it's a good Charity Auction Item if I can't find the rightful
> owner!



From alanb2 at webtv.net  Sun Jun  6 16:10:23 2004
From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:10:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.
In-Reply-To: John Hammink <jg.hammink@quicknet.nl>'s message of Sun, 06 Jun
	2004 23:06:32 +0200
Message-ID: <18846-40C3A45F-3240@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net>

Hi John,

With two Maytag 92s, two Maytag 72s plus six or seven ice cream machines
around here, I think I will leave that over priced toy alone. 8>))

Besides that,,,,,

A Maytag Ice Cream attachment hooks onto any Maytag washer in place of
the wringer. I have seen a couple of them, but I didn't have the $650
USD that the guy was asking for one.  He had Maytag meat grinders too.

I think all but one of my ice cream machines make six quarts at a time.
Now to just find the proper right angle drive unit,,,,,,,,

Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net
Williamsburg, Michigan

~~~~John?Hammink wrote~~~~~

Dr. Dave, smash your ceramic Old Mill bank! ? ? Here is the
opportunity. 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11754&item=3820076062&rd=1 
Take care,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl




From rexhinz at chorus.net  Sun Jun  6 16:42:22 2004
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:42:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.
References: <000701c44c0a$24e30c20$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <000e01c44c1f$eaa51100$0486a5d8@rex>

Hey John ;

        I built one simular to the one on Ebay but after all the info on the
Maytags from Dave  I decided to put a flat belt pulley on it and use a Hit
Miss, Mine Has a Three speed transmission on it ( you just might  want to
mix some cement ) I,ll put a pic up on the web if you would like to see it ,
My Maytags run better on Dave's gas oil mix of 1000 to 1 but I run into a
lack of power after a awhile of  mixing the cream , Its no antique but my
grandkids love the results :-)

 Rex


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "sel at list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 4:06 PM
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.


>
> Dr. Dave, smash your ceramic Old Mill bank!
>      Here is the opportunity.
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11754&item=3820076062&rd=1
>
> Take care,
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Jun  6 20:01:55 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:01:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP WITTE I Owned
References: <01b001c44b75$125b80e0$0400a8c0@Dave>
	<1086558660.40c391c50273a@login.kupio.lunarpages.com>
Message-ID: <016f01c44c3b$caf1c440$0400a8c0@Dave>

Hi Craig,
    I'll bring the crank guard (really a cover) to Coolspring with me and
hand it off to you. Thanks for getting it to the owner. Has he shown the
engine? His big worry was that perhaps he could not start an engine so big.
I guess that everything in the engine world is relative!
    Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Craig Prucha" <sel at antique-engine.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 8 HP WITTE I Owned


> Hi dave,
>
> The fellows name is Howard Hoffman, from East Auora, NY. who bought your
Witte.
> Howard will not be at Coolspring this June but if you want, I can deliver
the
> crank guard to him. He's a good friend of mine. Thanks, Craig...
>
>
>
> Quoting Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>:
>
> > Hi All,
> >     Several years ago at Coolspring I sold this 8 HP head type Witte
> > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Roti_Eng/witte.html) to a man
from,
> > I believe, NY. In any event, I forgot to give him the crank guard when
he
> > purchased the engine. I'd like to give it to him, but don't remember his
> > name. Does anyone know the guy and/or how I can get the crank guard to
him? I
> > could bring it to Coolspring in several weeks if anyone thinks that the
> > fellow may be there. The guard is cast iron and probably worth a few
bucks.
> > But I'd rather give it to the man who bought the engine rather than just
sell
> > it outright and buy Old Mill with the profit!
> >     Dave
> > PS, Perhaps it's a good Charity Auction Item if I can't find the
rightful
> > owner!
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From sel at antique-engine.com  Sun Jun  6 20:46:47 2004
From: sel at antique-engine.com (Craig Prucha)
Date: Sun,  6 Jun 2004 20:46:47 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP WITTE I Owned
In-Reply-To: <016f01c44c3b$caf1c440$0400a8c0@Dave>
References: <01b001c44b75$125b80e0$0400a8c0@Dave>
	<1086558660.40c391c50273a@login.kupio.lunarpages.com>
	<016f01c44c3b$caf1c440$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <1086580007.40c3e527b4adb@login.kupio.lunarpages.com>

Hi Dave,

Howard has shown the engine at a few shows I have been too. One of them I
remember was the Port Allegheny show in North Central Pa., and yes it was
running. I know Howard liked the fact he could just hook up to the trailer and
off the show. Well take care and see you at Coolspring. See ya, Craig...


Quoting Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>:

> Hi Craig,
>     I'll bring the crank guard (really a cover) to Coolspring with me and
> hand it off to you. Thanks for getting it to the owner. Has he shown the
> engine? His big worry was that perhaps he could not start an engine so big.
> I guess that everything in the engine world is relative!
>     Dave



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Jun  7 00:34:55 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 09:34:55 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.
References: <000701c44c0a$24e30c20$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<000e01c44c1f$eaa51100$0486a5d8@rex>
Message-ID: <001301c44c61$edb83e70$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Hi Rex, I would love that to see a picture of your ice cream unit.

Thanks in advance,

Regards,John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl



>         I built one simular to the one on Ebay but after all the info on the
> Maytags from Dave  I decided to put a flat belt pulley on it and use a Hit
> Miss, Mine Has a Three speed transmission on it ( you just might  want to
> mix some cement ) I,ll put a pic up on the web if you would like to see it ,
> My Maytags run better on Dave's gas oil mix of 1000 to 1 but I run into a
> lack of power after a awhile of  mixing the cream , Its no antique but my
> grandkids love the results :-)
> 
>  Rex




From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Jun  7 04:47:21 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:47:21 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.
Message-ID: <155.36b6998e.2df5afc9@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/6/2004 7:24:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
alanb2 at webtv.net writes:

<< I think I will leave that over priced toy alone >>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11754&item=3820076062&r
d=1


$1900 for parts using a High priced Maytag motor/ White Mountain freezer/ and 
other parts, must make the clutch and gear reducer about $1000.  Seems high!
$1000 labor at 45 hours is $22/hour.  He works cheap!  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From solarrog at pacbell.net  Mon Jun  7 08:11:50 2004
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:11:50 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.
References: <155.36b6998e.2df5afc9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <019601c44ca1$c2955a30$a9f2af40@solar>

I wonder how you put a price on something like this, He did a nice job on
it, It must have really taken alot of time, But I think he's asking about 3
times what its worth. But as always, someone will prove me wrong.

Roger DiRuscio,  Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont
Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor
scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast
Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555
510-226-9785 voice mail line
Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly
web site.     scrapologist.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.


> In a message dated 6/6/2004 7:24:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> alanb2 at webtv.net writes:
>
> << I think I will leave that over priced toy alone >>
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11754&item=3820076062&r
> d=1
>
>
> $1900 for parts using a High priced Maytag motor/ White Mountain freezer/
and
> other parts, must make the clutch and gear reducer about $1000.  Seems
high!
> $1000 labor at 45 hours is $22/hour.  He works cheap!
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jun  7 08:45:05 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:45:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.
In-Reply-To: <019601c44ca1$c2955a30$a9f2af40@solar>
Message-ID: <001001c44ca6$761d2480$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

I think it was Uncle Dave who professes that an item is worth whatever a
buyer will pay for it. 
So...........
Although it's WAAY out of my range, and I'd never pay that for it, so I
don't think it's worth that, it's POSSIBLE that someone else will - or maybe
they won't!

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Roger DiRuscio
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 10:12 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.


I wonder how you put a price on something like this, He did a nice job on
it, It must have really taken alot of time, But I think he's asking about 3
times what its worth. But as always, someone will prove me wrong.

Roger DiRuscio,  Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector
and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle
motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in
Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter
mostly
web site.     scrapologist.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.


> In a message dated 6/6/2004 7:24:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> alanb2 at webtv.net writes:
>
> << I think I will leave that over priced toy alone >>
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11754&item=3820076062
&r
> d=1
>
>
> $1900 for parts using a High priced Maytag motor/ White Mountain 
> freezer/
and
> other parts, must make the clutch and gear reducer about $1000.  Seems
high!
> $1000 labor at 45 hours is $22/hour.  He works cheap!
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  7 08:53:23 2004
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 10:53:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Governor Pots
Message-ID: <BAY1-F141qboZpxjlYu00049a25@hotmail.com>

>Bruce, the one under the gears is the governor "pot".
>The turning weights swing out and the "pot" protect
>you for fatal accidents and collect leak oil.
>The other pot is for collecting the abundance oil for
>the slide valves.

>Regards,
>John Hammink

Thanks, John, that makes "neat" sense, to collect the stray
lubricant before it hoses folks nearby and makes a mess.
Hadn't thought about it, but slide valves would take a lot
of oil.

Grandpa had a slide-valve Willys-Knight automobile, but all the
sliding and valving were internal - couldn't watch the fun. It
was a very quiet engine...


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05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
Lenexa, KS
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From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jun  7 09:11:25 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 12:11:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.
Message-ID: <40C493AD.6040208@imc-group.com>

Have a couple of water transfer decals to put on and would like a little 
advice about putting them on. I think I was a pre-teen the last time I 
did these and that was on model airplanes or something like it. Can 
anyone tell me the proceedure and the tricks of the trade?
Thanks,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC



From jhcullom at adelphia.net  Mon Jun  7 09:19:33 2004
From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:19:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.
References: <40C493AD.6040208@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <032b01c44cab$38273a30$6401a8c0@john>

Hi Curt,
   When I did them a couple of years ago, I just put some warm water in a
shallow pan & let the decals soak in it for about 30 seconds or so (there
are probably directions on the back of the decals). Then I just held the
decal up to what I was putting it on & gently slid it off the backing onto
the surface. For the first few seconds you can position the decal around a
bit if there is enough water. Then take a sponge & dab the excess water off,
taking care you don't dry off the decal too fast.
John





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
> Have a couple of water transfer decals to put on and would like a little
> advice about putting them on. I think I was a pre-teen the last time I
> did these and that was on model airplanes or something like it. Can
> anyone tell me the proceedure and the tricks of the trade?



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Jun  7 09:49:14 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 17:49:14 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.
References: <40C493AD.6040208@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <00c801c44caf$61c4ed20$0101a8c0@nemesis>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL(new)" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.


> Have a couple of water transfer decals to put on and would like a little 
> advice about putting them on. I think I was a pre-teen the last time I 
> did these and that was on model airplanes or something like it. Can 
> anyone tell me the proceedure and the tricks of the trade?
> Thanks,
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC

Hi Curt, See water slide at http://www.bsaoc.demon.co.uk/tferinst.htm
It seems the same as the last time I did any.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jun  7 10:04:45 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 13:04:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.
References: <40C493AD.6040208@imc-group.com>
	<032b01c44cab$38273a30$6401a8c0@john>
Message-ID: <40C4A02D.5040505@imc-group.com>

John,
Thanks for the information. Any need to have a soft squegee or something 
to squeeze the airbubbles out? Or should one just use a thumb or finger 
to do so?
Should I mist the surface being transfered on to with water?
Curt

John Cullom wrote:

>Hi Curt,
>   When I did them a couple of years ago, I just put some warm water in a
>shallow pan & let the decals soak in it for about 30 seconds or so (there
>are probably directions on the back of the decals). Then I just held the
>decal up to what I was putting it on & gently slid it off the backing onto
>the surface. For the first few seconds you can position the decal around a
>bit if there is enough water. Then take a sponge & dab the excess water off,
>taking care you don't dry off the decal too fast.
>John
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
>  
>
>>Have a couple of water transfer decals to put on and would like a little
>>advice about putting them on. I think I was a pre-teen the last time I
>>did these and that was on model airplanes or something like it. Can
>>anyone tell me the proceedure and the tricks of the trade?
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>
>
>  
>




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jun  7 10:01:33 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:01:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.
In-Reply-To: <40C493AD.6040208@imc-group.com>
References: <40C493AD.6040208@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406071253210.51317@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Curt,

We all know that Ted Brookover is a mag-master with an advanced degree in
ignitors.  Many folks will be surprised to know that he's also highly
accomplished in the arts of water slide decals (transfers for the Brits).

At Portland he applied a number of Crossley Brothers transfers and a
wonderful script Fat Bastard to my 1070 Crossley.  There were DEFINITELY a
few "tricks of the trade."  I'll let Ted offer up some advice as there is
no way that I can do justice to the subject.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Curt Holland wrote:

> Have a couple of water transfer decals to put on and would like a little
> advice about putting them on. I think I was a pre-teen the last time I
> did these and that was on model airplanes or something like it. Can
> anyone tell me the proceedure and the tricks of the trade?


From jhcullom at adelphia.net  Mon Jun  7 10:09:44 2004
From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:09:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.
References: <40C493AD.6040208@imc-group.com><032b01c44cab$38273a30$6401a8c0@john>
	<40C4A02D.5040505@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <037a01c44cb2$3aff8350$6401a8c0@john>

I used the sponge to smooth it out. I didn't mist the surface, there seemed
to be enough water put on the surface from the decal & backing.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
> Thanks for the information. Any need to have a soft squegee or something
> to squeeze the airbubbles out? Or should one just use a thumb or finger
> to do so?
> Should I mist the surface being transfered on to with water?
> Curt



From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Jun  7 10:28:03 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:28:03 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.
Message-ID: <b6.2cfee0b2.2df5ffa3@aol.com>

Curt,

I put some fine pencil marks on the paint in advance where I wanted to 
position the decals. 

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jun  7 10:32:37 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:32:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406071253210.51317@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c44cb5$79d4d780$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

I also recommend Ted as the man - he made the door decal for Barbara's store
and advised as to how to apply it - that was 5 years ago and it's still
there intact.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:02 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Water transfer decals.


Hi Curt,

We all know that Ted Brookover is a mag-master with an advanced degree in
ignitors.  Many folks will be surprised to know that he's also highly
accomplished in the arts of water slide decals (transfers for the Brits).

At Portland he applied a number of Crossley Brothers transfers and a
wonderful script Fat Bastard to my 1070 Crossley.  There were DEFINITELY a
few "tricks of the trade."  I'll let Ted offer up some advice as there is no
way that I can do justice to the subject.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Curt Holland wrote:

> Have a couple of water transfer decals to put on and would like a 
> little advice about putting them on. I think I was a pre-teen the last 
> time I did these and that was on model airplanes or something like it. 
> Can anyone tell me the proceedure and the tricks of the trade?
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From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jun  7 10:43:52 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 13:43:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.
References: <40C493AD.6040208@imc-group.com>
	<00c801c44caf$61c4ed20$0101a8c0@nemesis>
Message-ID: <40C4A958.6060703@imc-group.com>

Dave,
 From the web site it reads:

Soak transfer in water for not more than 30 seconds.  When design 
releases itself, slide it off face upwards into position.  Press well 
down wiping gently from the centre outwards to squeeze out surplus water 
and air bubbles.  Leave at least 24 hours to dry and varnish if 
required.  One point worth mentioning is, it is worthwhile rubbing the 
area where the transfer is to be fixed with neat washing up liquid on a 
bit of cotton wool - as this helps the transfer slide into position.

The last sentence "it is worthwhile rubbing the area where the transfer 
is to be fixed with neat washing up liquid on a bit of cotton wool"

Does this mean soap and water to be dabbed on the surface to help slide 
the decal into the correct position?
Curt


Dave Croft wrote:

>>C
>>    
>>
>
>Hi Curt, See water slide at http://www.bsaoc.demon.co.uk/tferinst.htm
>It seems the same as the last time I did any.
>Dave Croft
>Warrington
>England
>  
>




From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jun  7 11:27:01 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:27:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.
In-Reply-To: <40C4A958.6060703@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <002801c44cbd$10cff2d0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

Ted told me - dishwashing soap mixture on door window. So I used a sponge
and washed the window with a dish detergent solution, didn't let it dry,
then applied decal as per his directions.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Holland
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:44 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Water transfer decals.


Dave,
 From the web site it reads:

Soak transfer in water for not more than 30 seconds.  When design 
releases itself, slide it off face upwards into position.  Press well 
down wiping gently from the centre outwards to squeeze out surplus water 
and air bubbles.  Leave at least 24 hours to dry and varnish if 
required.  One point worth mentioning is, it is worthwhile rubbing the 
area where the transfer is to be fixed with neat washing up liquid on a 
bit of cotton wool - as this helps the transfer slide into position.

The last sentence "it is worthwhile rubbing the area where the transfer 
is to be fixed with neat washing up liquid on a bit of cotton wool"

Does this mean soap and water to be dabbed on the surface to help slide 
the decal into the correct position?
Curt


Dave Croft wrote:

>>C
>>    
>>
>
>Hi Curt, See water slide at http://www.bsaoc.demon.co.uk/tferinst.htm
>It seems the same as the last time I did any.
>Dave Croft
>Warrington
>England
>  
>


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From l-d-holderman at kconline.com  Mon Jun  7 14:26:22 2004
From: l-d-holderman at kconline.com (Larry Holderman)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:26:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.(removing)
References: <40C493AD.6040208@imc-group.com><032b01c44cab$38273a30$6401a8c0@john><40C4A02D.5040505@imc-group.com>
	<037a01c44cb2$3aff8350$6401a8c0@john>
Message-ID: <003001c44cd6$16040110$8380f1d8@lholderman>


Now we know how to put them on how do we get them off??   I have and engine
that I repainted a few years ago and placed water transfer decals on it.
They have since been damaged and I would like to remove them.  I tried hot
water and some rubbing without any luck..  I don't want to damge the paint.
Any ideas on how to do this task?

Larry Holderman
Warsaw, Indiana

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Cullom" <jhcullom at adelphia.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Water transfer decals.


> I used the sponge to smooth it out. I didn't mist the surface, there
seemed
> to be enough water put on the surface from the decal & backing.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
> > Thanks for the information. Any need to have a soft squegee or something
> > to squeeze the airbubbles out? Or should one just use a thumb or finger
> > to do so?
> > Should I mist the surface being transfered on to with water?
> > Curt
>
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From rexhinz at chorus.net  Mon Jun  7 15:11:43 2004
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 17:11:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.
References: <000701c44c0a$24e30c20$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn><000e01c44c1f$eaa51100$0486a5d8@rex>
	<001301c44c61$edb83e70$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <000601c44cdc$719c47c0$4786a5d8@rex>

John and All ;

   Here is my webshots site  you can look at some of my stuff there , the
Ice Cream maker is not as fancy as the one on Ebay but very functional ,
please tell me what you think of my pics good or bad , I didn't put the
maytags on yet as they are still too hot as I just ran them yesterday on
daves oil gas mix , .... 8-)
http://community.webshots.com/photo/113498875/150456445zyOTLr
  Rex
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 2:34 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.


> Hi Rex, I would love that to see a picture of your ice cream unit.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Regards,John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
>
>
>
> >         I built one simular to the one on Ebay but after all the info on
the
> > Maytags from Dave  I decided to put a flat belt pulley on it and use a
Hit
> > Miss, Mine Has a Three speed transmission on it ( you just might  want
to
> > mix some cement ) I,ll put a pic up on the web if you would like to see
it ,
> > My Maytags run better on Dave's gas oil mix of 1000 to 1 but I run into
a
> > lack of power after a awhile of  mixing the cream , Its no antique but
my
> > grandkids love the results :-)
> >
> >  Rex
>
>
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jun  7 18:26:01 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:26:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Famous Running
Message-ID: <200406080133.i581XIYv001295@newidea.atis.net>

Sunday I went out to Ron's to play engines. We decided that it was time to
have another go at Ron's 6hp Famous as it had been about 11 months since we
had last put any effort into it. Ron had cleaned the carby up since we had
last run the engine so it was bolted back on and the engine oiled up. The
engine started easily (which was great as last time I had sore arms for
days) but was running a little quick. After stopping the engine we removed
one of the governor springs and fired the engine up again. It was now
running a lot slower. The engine has a lot of blowby but a bit of running
will probably help. 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/03072702.JPG
The engine is a little unusual in Oz being a hit and miss as most of the
larger Famous engines in Oz seem to be throttlers. This engine had
originally been fitted with a Webster but it was long gone. It has an Edd
Payne built ignitor fitted which works perfectly (as Edd's ignitors do).

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jun  7 18:30:57 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:30:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally
Message-ID: <200406080138.i581c9Yv002311@newidea.atis.net>

Which of our Aussie list members are heading to Manilla this weekend? I am
told it is a pretty good rally. I am still not sure if I will get there as
work is getting in the way again but I may pop up for a look if I cannot
take an engine. It is only 7 hours from here so it might be a nice day trip
;)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From jbcast at charter.net  Mon Jun  7 19:09:28 2004
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 2:09:28 +0000
Subject: [SEL] drive in brads 
Message-ID: <36u7i2$2hg15@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net>


Does anyone know where to find the drive in brads to hold the tags on. I saved a site that was listed a while back but lost it in a crash.
Thanks,
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA



From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Jun  7 19:10:23 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:10:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.(removing)
References: <40C493AD.6040208@imc-group.com><032b01c44cab$38273a30$6401a8c0@john><40C4A02D.5040505@imc-group.com><037a01c44cb2$3aff8350$6401a8c0@john>
	<003001c44cd6$16040110$8380f1d8@lholderman>
Message-ID: <03ee01c44cfd$c1cde6b0$0400a8c0@Dave>

> Now we know how to put them on how do we get them off??   I have and
engine
> that I repainted a few years ago and placed water transfer decals on it.
> They have since been damaged and I would like to remove them.  I tried hot
> water and some rubbing without any luck..  I don't want to damge the
paint.
> Any ideas on how to do this task?
>
> Larry Holderman
Hi Larry,
    When I was a kid (1880's) we would soak a blotter (ask your mama what
that is) in water and then press it on to the transfer and leave it for an
hour or so. After this was repeated several times the transfer would soften
up and was removable.
    Dave
PS, Keep in mind that I was a kid long before conservatives POLLUTED THE
WATER and took food away from older folks and kids--so this process may no
longer work!



From alanb2 at webtv.net  Mon Jun  7 19:21:29 2004
From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:21:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] drive in brads
In-Reply-To: <jbcast@charter.net>'s message of Tue, 8 Jun 2004 2:09:28 +0000
Message-ID: <322-40C522A9-3774@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net>

Hi JB,

Here is Curt's email,,,,,

I just buy them at my local Ace Hardware.
I found them in the row with all those little slide out trays on misc.
hardware and fasteners.

HTH,
Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net
Williamsburg, Michigan

~~~~Curt?Holland wrote~~~~
 
On occation a discussion comes up concerning those rivets for holding
tags on engines. Believe this might be them. This site calls them drive
screws. Here is the link: 
http://www.bigflatsrivet.com/drive_screws.html Curt Holland 
Gastonia, NC 

Alan Bowen  alanb2 at webtv.net
Williamsburg, Michigan




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jun  7 19:54:15 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 19:54:15 -0700
Subject: [SEL] drive in brads
Message-ID: <20040607.195416.748.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi J.B.
Try this:

http://www.bigflatsrivet.com/drive_screws.html

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA

On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 2:09:28 +0000 <jbcast at charter.net> writes:
> 
> Does anyone know where to find the drive in brads to hold the tags 
> on. I saved a site that was listed a while back but lost it in a 
> crash.
> Thanks,
> J.B. Castagnos
> Belle Rose, LA


From rholtzer at earthlink.net  Mon Jun  7 20:03:07 2004
From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 20:03:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Water transfer decals.
In-Reply-To: <40C4A02D.5040505@imc-group.com>
References: <40C493AD.6040208@imc-group.com>
	<032b01c44cab$38273a30$6401a8c0@john>
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040607195939.00b7e778@mail.earthlink.net>

The last decal I put on recommended a drop or two of detergent (dish soap) 
in a quart or so of water.  Wet the receiving surface and slide the decal 
on to the surface.  The soft rubber edge of a window washer, sponge, or 
such applied gently to the decal will help remove bubbles.  If you have a 
small trapped bubble, prick it with a straight pin and the air will escape 
without harm to the decal.

Bob Holtzer

At 01:04 PM 6/7/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>John,
>Thanks for the information. Any need to have a soft squegee or something 
>to squeeze the airbubbles out? Or should one just use a thumb or finger to 
>do so?
>Should I mist the surface being transfered on to with water?
>Curt
>
>John Cullom wrote:
>
>>Hi Curt,
>>   When I did them a couple of years ago, I just put some warm water in a
>>shallow pan & let the decals soak in it for about 30 seconds or so (there
>>are probably directions on the back of the decals). Then I just held the
>>decal up to what I was putting it on & gently slid it off the backing onto
>>the surface. For the first few seconds you can position the decal around a
>>bit if there is enough water. Then take a sponge & dab the excess water off,
>>taking care you don't dry off the decal too fast.
>>John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
>>
>>
>>>Have a couple of water transfer decals to put on and would like a little
>>>advice about putting them on. I think I was a pre-teen the last time I
>>>did these and that was on model airplanes or something like it. Can
>>>anyone tell me the proceedure and the tricks of the trade?
>>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>Your ISP has scanned this email for Viruses and Spam Control.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jun  7 20:22:16 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:22:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - yet another EBAY hoax
In-Reply-To: <20040607.195416.748.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <006001c44d07$cebb55b0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

If you get an email asking you to go to ebay's web site and pay your fees,
watch out, it's a scam.
However, I'm sure that a lot of folks will fall for it (I suspect no one
here will, however) 
It goes without saying, EBAY and other legit businesses don't operate this
way. (especially with a  24 hour deadline)

The link looks like EBAY, but it's not:

<a
href="http://ns.zonasiete.org/.eBay/eBayISAPI.php?MfcISAPICommand=SignInFPP&
UsingSSL=1&email=&userid=">http://signin.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?OneTi
mePayment&ssPageName=h:h:sin:US</a>

It's really taking you to ns.zonasiete.org

These scam artists are getting really tricky - we get messages telling us to
go to our bank site - how in the world did they know we actually use that
bank???? Or was it a guess. The message in that case is actually well
crafted and clever. Our bank is concerned because the message is so good and
believable. (I forwarded them a copy advising them to be on the lookout)

Be careful........... If in doubt, call the business before acting.

Bill




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Jun  7 20:47:46 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:47:46 EDT
Subject: [SEL] OT - yet another EBAY hoax
Message-ID: <1d5.23394c4f.2df690e2@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/7/2004 8:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
bill at antique-engines.com writes:
If you get an email asking you to go to ebay's web site and pay your fees,
watch out, it's a scam.
Bill,
I received a similar message last week.  I immediately forwarded the message 
to ebay asking them if it was legit.  In about 2 (two) hours, a reply from 
ebay stated that it wasn't.  You can forward suspected ebay messages to: 
<spoof at ebay.com>
Ebay needs the entire message to be forwarded so that they locate the 
originator in order to stop this scam.

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jun  7 21:08:44 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:08:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - yet another EBAY hoax
In-Reply-To: <1d5.23394c4f.2df690e2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <006801c44d0e$50a77850$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

Thanks - I've forwarded it with all header info, etc.

Bill

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FRM8198 at aol.com
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 10:48 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - yet another EBAY hoax


In a message dated 6/7/2004 8:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
bill at antique-engines.com writes:
If you get an email asking you to go to ebay's web site and pay your fees,
watch out, it's a scam. Bill, I received a similar message last week.  I
immediately forwarded the message 
to ebay asking them if it was legit.  In about 2 (two) hours, a reply from 
ebay stated that it wasn't.  You can forward suspected ebay messages to: 
<spoof at ebay.com>
Ebay needs the entire message to be forwarded so that they locate the 
originator in order to stop this scam.

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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Jun  7 22:14:16 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 07:14:16 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Ice Cream Making Machine.
References: <000701c44c0a$24e30c20$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<000e01c44c1f$eaa51100$0486a5d8@rex>
	<001301c44c61$edb83e70$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<000601c44cdc$719c47c0$4786a5d8@rex>
Message-ID: <000901c44d17$720a7110$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

That looks good to me Rex, the most importend thing is
that the results of the made ice cream is smooth and tasty.

Thanks for the pic,

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl



>    Here is my webshots site  you can look at some of my stuff there , the
> Ice Cream maker is not as fancy as the one on Ebay but very functional ,
> please tell me what you think of my pics good or bad , I didn't put the
> maytags on yet as they are still too hot as I just ran them yesterday on
> daves oil gas mix , .... 8-)
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/113498875/150456445zyOTLr
>   Rex




From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  7 23:16:42 2004
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:16:42 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Famous Running
Message-ID: <BAY14-F27iE5gLJENss0005b64b@hotmail.com>

hi patrick nice pic of rons famous, i have a 6hp hit'n'miss screen cooled 
famous, they seem to be more common down this way as lindsays and one other 
are the only two throttle governed ones i have seen down here. cheers dave


>From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,        
>"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>Subject: [SEL] Famous Running
>Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:26:01 +1000
>
>Sunday I went out to Ron's to play engines. We decided that it was time to
>have another go at Ron's 6hp Famous as it had been about 11 months since we
>had last put any effort into it. Ron had cleaned the carby up since we had
>last run the engine so it was bolted back on and the engine oiled up. The
>engine started easily (which was great as last time I had sore arms for
>days) but was running a little quick. After stopping the engine we removed
>one of the governor springs and fired the engine up again. It was now
>running a lot slower. The engine has a lot of blowby but a bit of running
>will probably help.
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/03072702.JPG
>The engine is a little unusual in Oz being a hit and miss as most of the
>larger Famous engines in Oz seem to be throttlers. This engine had
>originally been fitted with a Webster but it was long gone. It has an Edd
>Payne built ignitor fitted which works perfectly (as Edd's ignitors do).
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
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From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  7 23:44:56 2004
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:44:56 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Kelly barnett arstrong
Message-ID: <BAY14-F293pbQ1mtLkF0005b346@hotmail.com>

wanting to get in touch with Kelly Barnett wondering if someone can send me 
his email address of list cheers dave

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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Jun  8 03:01:39 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 04:01:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] drive in brads
References: <20040607.195416.748.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV103yyBlvGIY00015787@hotmail.com>

HitnMiss has them also.  Page 32, bottom right in new catalog.  Stainless 
Steel and 50 cents a pair.  Web page...  www.hitnmiss.com .

Good Luck J.B.
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] drive in brads


> Hi J.B.
> Try this:
>
> http://www.bigflatsrivet.com/drive_screws.html
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
>
> On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 2:09:28 +0000 <jbcast at charter.net> writes:
> >
> > Does anyone know where to find the drive in brads to hold the tags
> > on. I saved a site that was listed a while back but lost it in a
> > crash.
> > Thanks,
> > J.B. Castagnos
> > Belle Rose, LA
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From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Jun  8 04:02:50 2004
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:02:50 +0000
Subject: [SEL] drive in brads
Message-ID: <344nff$p3ikr@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net>


> 
> Hi J.B.
> Try this:
> 
> http://www.bigflatsrivet.com/drive_screws.html
> 
> Ron Haskell
Thanks Ron, that's what I was looking for. Alan I'm glad to know H&M has them also.
J.B.



From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Tue Jun  8 05:15:07 2004
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:15:07 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally
References: <200406080138.i581c9Yv002311@newidea.atis.net>
Message-ID: <001001c44d52$40a48f80$c76f29cb@oemcomputer>

I will be there and expect to see you there also.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:30
Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally


> Which of our Aussie list members are heading to Manilla this weekend? I am
> told it is a pretty good rally. I am still not sure if I will get there as
> work is getting in the way again but I may pop up for a look if I cannot
> take an engine. It is only 7 hours from here so it might be a nice day
trip
> ;)
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Tue Jun  8 05:19:38 2004
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:19:38 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Famous Running
References: <200406080133.i581XIYv001295@newidea.atis.net>
Message-ID: <001a01c44d52$df21ae40$c76f29cb@oemcomputer>

Great pic Patrick.My 4,6,8 and 10 HP Famous engines are all throttlers.Only
my 1HP Titan and Tom thumb and 2.5 HP are hit and miss as this was the only
way they were made.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:26
Subject: [SEL] Famous Running


> Sunday I went out to Ron's to play engines. We decided that it was time to
> have another go at Ron's 6hp Famous as it had been about 11 months since
we
> had last put any effort into it. Ron had cleaned the carby up since we had
> last run the engine so it was bolted back on and the engine oiled up. The
> engine started easily (which was great as last time I had sore arms for
> days) but was running a little quick. After stopping the engine we removed
> one of the governor springs and fired the engine up again. It was now
> running a lot slower. The engine has a lot of blowby but a bit of running
> will probably help.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/03072702.JPG
> The engine is a little unusual in Oz being a hit and miss as most of the
> larger Famous engines in Oz seem to be throttlers. This engine had
> originally been fitted with a Webster but it was long gone. It has an Edd
> Payne built ignitor fitted which works perfectly (as Edd's ignitors do).
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
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> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Jun  8 05:49:23 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:49:23 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Famous Running
Message-ID: <a0.eaea02c.2df70fd3@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/7/2004 9:40:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes:

<< We decided that it was time to
 have another go at Ron's 6hp Famous >>


Patrick,

The 6 Famous of Ron is a great engine and looks to be all original.  My 6 
Famous hopper cooled is on the wrong cart.  I have a set of original wheels and 
keep saying I am going to get some channel and put it on the proper cart.  My 6 
Famous screen cooled is all original.  Pictures of both can be seen at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/Shop3.htm

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From sleis at mwt.net  Tue Jun  8 08:16:35 2004
From: sleis at mwt.net (Stacy Leis)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:16:35 -0700
Subject: [SEL] coulee antique engine show dates?
Message-ID: <001201c44d6b$a83b1420$2355becf@computer>

Hi List

  I was wondering of someone could look at there 2004 show directory and tell me if and when the coulee antique engine show is in Viroqua Wisconsin? thank you for the help ? :-)

                                        Stacy



From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Jun  8 07:26:52 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:26:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] coulee antique engine show dates?
Message-ID: <20040608.103708.1136.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Can't find it Stacy,

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Jun  8 08:50:29 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:50:29 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hercules XK revisited
Message-ID: <dc.c875c8c.2df73a45@aol.com>

While in one of the outbuildings this morning, I stopped and looked at a 
Hercules XK and studied the 3 hole flywheels.  A thought as to why they are there 
came to me, and you have to understand by brain to appreciate the significance 
that!  The flywheel hub is split with a bolt to hold onto the crank with a 
straight key.  The split is directly centered in one of the flywheel holes.  
Would not that hole then be there to permit minor expansion/contraction of the 
flywheel as it is tightned/loosened on the crankshaft?  The other two holes 
would then be there to balance the flywheel, or also to permit 
expansion/contraction.  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jun  8 10:02:03 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:02:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules XK revisited
References: <dc.c875c8c.2df73a45@aol.com>
Message-ID: <40C5F10B.5040708@imc-group.com>

Tom,
On my 6HP flywheels there are the 3 holes about 3" in diameter. Very 
near the split hub is another smaller hole about an 1 1/2 in diameter 
that serves the same purpose you mention for the expansion/contraction.
What HP are you looking at? You can see the smaller holes in this picture:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/6Hercules/Flywheels/P4170006c.jpg
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

>While in one of the outbuildings this morning, I stopped and looked at a 
>Hercules XK and studied the 3 hole flywheels.  A thought as to why they are there 
>came to me, and you have to understand by brain to appreciate the significance 
>that!  The flywheel hub is split with a bolt to hold onto the crank with a 
>straight key.  The split is directly centered in one of the flywheel holes.  
>Would not that hole then be there to permit minor expansion/contraction of the 
>flywheel as it is tightned/loosened on the crankshaft?  The other two holes 
>would then be there to balance the flywheel, or also to permit 
>expansion/contraction.  
>
>  
>




From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Jun  8 11:46:29 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:46:29 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hercules XK revisited
Message-ID: <f6.3ba127b4.2df76385@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/8/2004 1:07:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
curt at imc-group.com writes:

<< What HP are you looking at? >>


Curt,

Both the 1 3/4 and 2 1/2 are the same, 3 holes with the split into one hole.  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From weirgrant at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  8 13:08:35 2004
From: weirgrant at hotmail.com (Grant Weir)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:08:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Novo?
Message-ID: <BAY14-F14LdZs3JcXu900061d5b@hotmail.com>


Hello all,

Some health trouble has kept me away from computers and rusty iron for 
pretty much the entire winter, but now that spring has sprung, and summer is 
here, I find I have more energy and am ready for some engine action!

I could not make it to the Fred Schneider auction last weekend, 
(aaarrrrrggg!!!) but I did get around to picking up and engine I had found a 
couple weeks ago in an old farm yard.  Because it looked so rough I did not 
at first have much interest, but...  well, you know the deal;  several 
sleepless nights later and I'm off looking for the owner.  He was not hard 
to find and agreed to let me have it for nothing.  I'd like to say that it 
is "barn fresh" but that would not be a particularly accurate description.  
Here is a picture of it as I found it:

http://groups.msn.com/GrantsOldTractorGoodies/sundaymorningcruise.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1055

I would also like to say that "it followed me home" but it did not do that 
either - I had to force it to come with me!  It was down at the bottom of a 
ditch in a big pile of debris, and much digging, tugging, and hoisting took 
place to yard it out of there.  The water hopper is broken, the cam gear, 
rocker arm, carb, and various other parts are missing.

It is an upright single cylinder engine with a closed crank-case and two 
flywheels.  It looks to be about 2 or 3 HP and feels heavy enough to be 5 or 
6 HP! :-) I think it is a Novo but I've never seen one before so I can not 
be sure.  Wendels book shows that is looks like either a Novo, a Hildreth 
(early Novo?), or maybe a Peerless?  I don't really know.  It also looks 
like an Ideal, but mine has a spark plug hole, and never had an ignitor.  An 
engine just like it sold at the Schneider auction last weekend - here is a 
picture:

http://groups.msn.com/GrantsOldTractorGoodies/newengine.msnw?Page=1

What do you think gang?  Is it a Novo?  Were many made?  Can I find parts?  
Any help would be appreciated.  It's pretty rough, so I'm kind of thinking 
"flower pot" but if this thing is rare or something, then perhaps I'll have 
to work on it some.  Thanks!

Grant Weir
Saskatoon, SK.
Canada

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun  8 14:38:58 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:38:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Novo?
In-Reply-To: <BAY14-F14LdZs3JcXu900061d5b@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY14-F14LdZs3JcXu900061d5b@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406081726110.58396@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Grant,

Neat find!!  It might be a Novo, but I can't tell for sure from that
single pic.  If it is a Novo it would look like this and you can determine
the HP from the dimensions given.  It would probably also have "Novo"
cast into the hand-hole covers for the crankcase.
http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Nova_S_data.pdf

Here's a couple of pics of my 3 hp Novo "S".
http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/novo.htm

Parts are available for the Novo.  Hit & Miss is one supplier that has a
stock of Novo parts.

Let us know when you get more pics.  Good luck!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA USA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Grant Weir wrote:

> I could not make it to the Fred Schneider auction last weekend,
> (aaarrrrrggg!!!) but I did get around to picking up and engine I had found a
> couple weeks ago in an old farm yard.  Because it looked so rough I did not
> at first have much interest, but...  well, you know the deal;  several
> sleepless nights later and I'm off looking for the owner.  He was not hard
> to find and agreed to let me have it for nothing.  I'd like to say that it
> is "barn fresh" but that would not be a particularly accurate description.
> Here is a picture of it as I found it:
>
> http://groups.msn.com/GrantsOldTractorGoodies/sundaymorningcruise.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1055



From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  8 16:56:18 2004
From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 09:56:18 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Famous Running
Message-ID: <BAY2-F163U46M74M88W0001f7d9@hotmail.com>


Hi Patrick,
             The inter looks great. Thanks for the pic. Very original 
looking engine. I only hope mine looks as good when it is finished.

Regards,
Lyndsay .





>From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,        
>"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>Subject: [SEL] Famous Running
>Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:26:01 +1000
>
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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  8 19:36:29 2004
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:36:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] coulee antique engine show dates?
In-Reply-To: <001201c44d6b$a83b1420$2355becf@computer>
Message-ID: <20040609023629.13697.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Stacy,
I can't find my show directory, either lost it or lent it out. I thought
the show used to be about this time of the year, same time as Plainfield.
I know they were having some problems over there, they have been suffering
for years. I looked on the department of tourism's site, and on the web
using Vernon County, Viroqua and Coulee, and nothing to be seen on this
year's show. I suppose you could try to find a telephone number for
someone in Viroqua, like a chamber of commerce or even the sherrif's
department, and give them a call and see if they can tell you more.
If that doesn't work out, perhaps you would come up to Plainfield. That
show is getting better every year and there are some real good folks
there. Last year it was so cold and rainy we pulled out early on Sunday to
go get coffee, and we never even brought any beer. I hope this doesn't
mean we are getting old!!
Eagle River is a week or two later, that club has had a major shake-up and
seems to be straightening out. Scott Vassar, from Rhinelander, is the
President now and Scott is working real hard to make things go. I haven't
been there for years, but it used to be that some of the finest engines to
be seen anywhere in WI would show up at that little show at the campground
in Eagle River. Now it is moved to the snowmobile race track, so it might
not be as cozy as it was, but there was getting to be a lot of tension
between the folks who owned the campground and the club. They have a heck
of a deal now, the guys who run the snowmobile racetrack welcomed the club
with open arms, charged them nothing to use the place and put it on their
insurance. You just can't kick about a deal like that.
Does anyone know when the Freeport show is? Oddly I never see much about
it on the list. I haven't gone in a long, long time but it used to be one
of my favorite shows. There are some real good folks down there and they
put on a nice show. If I can get off from work, I wouldn't mind going down
there again.
Maybe I will see you at Plainfield. Just remember, the locals don't find
Ed Gein jokes to be very funny!
Joe
--- Stacy Leis <sleis at mwt.net> wrote:
> Hi List
> 
>   I was wondering of someone could look at there 2004 show directory and
> tell me if and when the coulee antique engine show is in Viroqua
> Wisconsin? thank you for the help ? :-)
> 
>                                         Stacy
> 
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From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net  Tue Jun  8 20:00:40 2004
From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 23:00:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 8 HP WITTE I Owned
References: <01b001c44b75$125b80e0$0400a8c0@Dave>	<1086558660.40c391c50273a@login.kupio.lunarpages.com>
	<016f01c44c3b$caf1c440$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <40C67D58.2030808@zoominternet.net>

I have found that at most shows, if you are having a problem, your 
fellow showmen are willing to lend a hand.  My brother and I own a crank 
start tractor.  He can crank this sucker to start on the first turn, in 
the middle of winter, after it sets for 1 year.  I can't start it warm, 
much less....  At a show, I had to move it.  I had 20 volunteers willing 
to crank that engine for me.  Help can always be found.

Ed

Dave Rotigel wrote:

>Hi Craig,
>    I'll bring the crank guard (really a cover) to Coolspring with me and
>hand it off to you. Thanks for getting it to the owner. Has he shown the
>engine? His big worry was that perhaps he could not start an engine so big.
>I guess that everything in the engine world is relative!
>    Dave
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Craig Prucha" <sel at antique-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 5:51 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] 8 HP WITTE I Owned
>
>
>  
>
>>Hi dave,
>>
>>The fellows name is Howard Hoffman, from East Auora, NY. who bought your
>>    
>>
>Witte.
>  
>
>>Howard will not be at Coolspring this June but if you want, I can deliver
>>    
>>
>the
>  
>
>>crank guard to him. He's a good friend of mine. Thanks, Craig...
>>
>>
>>
>>Quoting Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hi All,
>>>    Several years ago at Coolspring I sold this 8 HP head type Witte
>>>(http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Roti_Eng/witte.html) to a man
>>>      
>>>
>from,
>  
>
>>>I believe, NY. In any event, I forgot to give him the crank guard when
>>>      
>>>
>he
>  
>
>>>purchased the engine. I'd like to give it to him, but don't remember his
>>>name. Does anyone know the guy and/or how I can get the crank guard to
>>>      
>>>
>him? I
>  
>
>>>could bring it to Coolspring in several weeks if anyone thinks that the
>>>fellow may be there. The guard is cast iron and probably worth a few
>>>      
>>>
>bucks.
>  
>
>>>But I'd rather give it to the man who bought the engine rather than just
>>>      
>>>
>sell
>  
>
>>>it outright and buy Old Mill with the profit!
>>>    Dave
>>>PS, Perhaps it's a good Charity Auction Item if I can't find the
>>>      
>>>
>rightful
>  
>
>>>owner!
>>>      
>>>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Jun  8 20:46:51 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:46:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] West Coast Show
Message-ID: <20040608.204652.628.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  Last Saturday WAPA put on a show to help the FFA club at Sonora
High School (La Habra CA.) raise funds.  Here are a few pictures of our
display. 

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31277041

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA


From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Jun  8 21:15:23 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:15:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules XK revisited
Message-ID: <20040609.003050.800.4.jlb94@juno.com>

Sounds good to me.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Jun  9 03:23:37 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 06:23:37 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Check out Hit & Miss Main Page
Message-ID: <db.c970c03.2df83f29@aol.com>

Hi List,
Here is an interesting web site featuring miniature "hit - miss" engines.  
There are also links to other various small engines.  Have fun!

Click here: Hit & Miss Main Page http://www.minimodelengines.com/HitNMiss.htm


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From r.j.mattson at juno.com  Wed Jun  9 04:35:02 2004
From: r.j.mattson at juno.com (Ronald J Mattson)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:35:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Schmidt's Chilled Cylinder
Message-ID: <20040609.073537.-180231.0.R.J.Mattson@juno.com>

Hi All,
Just picked up a 3 HP, air cooled Schmidt's. It looks like it was used as
a boat anchor- pretty rusty, but the former owner did manage to get it
apart with some damage. The piston is busted and the rod is rotted so bad
that it is unusable. I would like to find a piston and rod, I know this
is not the most common engine but if anyone has a wasted parts engine,
please let me know.
I also would like to find out about the ignition system, it has a spark
plug hole so I'm guessing that it used a buzz coil. What I need to know
is what triggered the coil, the details of the contacts etc, etc. Did it
have a spark advance?
I have copies of some ads that show the pin stripes but need to know the
original color. Was it red with a silver cylinder? 
Thanks for any help you can give with this project.
Ron in RI

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From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Jun  9 04:45:03 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:45:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Check out Hit & Miss Main Page
References: <db.c970c03.2df83f29@aol.com>
Message-ID: <035401c44e17$3402ce70$0400a8c0@Dave>

> Hi List,
> Here is an interesting web site featuring miniature "hit - miss" engines.
> There are also links to other various small engines.  Have fun!
> Click here: Hit & Miss Main Page
http://www.minimodelengines.com/HitNMiss.htm
> Francis Maciel

Thank you Francis. I enjoyed your page!
    Dave



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  9 10:22:19 2004
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 17:22:19 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Check out Hit & Miss Main Page
Message-ID: <BAY22-F2kZIhTrBoe2U00003322@hotmail.com>

Hi Francis,

I've seen George's work at the NAMES Expo a few times now. Amazing that he 
makes engines so small that run.  I have quite a few pictures of his work on 
my web pages. Here is a nice one

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/names03/names03109.jpg

Thanks for sharing his page.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
================================
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 06:23:37 EDT
From: FRM8198 at aol.com
Subject: [SEL] Check out Hit & Miss Main Page

Hi List,
Here is an interesting web site featuring miniature "hit - miss" engines.
There are also links to other various small engines.  Have fun!

Click here: Hit & Miss Main Page 
http://www.minimodelengines.com/HitNMiss.htm


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California

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From weirgrant at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  9 14:29:18 2004
From: weirgrant at hotmail.com (Grant Weir)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 15:29:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Novo?
Message-ID: <BAY14-F217PDqqgNjWO0006d499@hotmail.com>


Thanks a bunch Arnie!  The brochure info is great.  It sure does look like a 
Novo to me.  I'll see if I can get a digital over to snap some pictures 
soon.  Wow - your's sure looks like it's in super-nice original shape.

I'll post some more pictures soon.  Thanks again!

Grant Weir
Saskatoon, SK.
Canada


>From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo?
>Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:38:58 -0400 (EDT)
>
>Hi Grant,
>
>Neat find!!  It might be a Novo, but I can't tell for sure from that
>single pic.  If it is a Novo it would look like this and you can determine
>the HP from the dimensions given.  It would probably also have "Novo"
>cast into the hand-hole covers for the crankcase.
>http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Nova_S_data.pdf
>
>Here's a couple of pics of my 3 hp Novo "S".
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/novo.htm
>
>Parts are available for the Novo.  Hit & Miss is one supplier that has a
>stock of Novo parts.
>
>Let us know when you get more pics.  Good luck!!
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA USA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Grant Weir wrote:
>
> > I could not make it to the Fred Schneider auction last weekend,
> > (aaarrrrrggg!!!) but I did get around to picking up and engine I had 
>found a
> > couple weeks ago in an old farm yard.  Because it looked so rough I did 
>not
> > at first have much interest, but...  well, you know the deal;  several
> > sleepless nights later and I'm off looking for the owner.  He was not 
>hard
> > to find and agreed to let me have it for nothing.  I'd like to say that 
>it
> > is "barn fresh" but that would not be a particularly accurate 
>description.
> > Here is a picture of it as I found it:
> >
> > 
>http://groups.msn.com/GrantsOldTractorGoodies/sundaymorningcruise.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1055
>
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From transteck2 at msn.com  Mon Jun  7 16:13:11 2004
From: transteck2 at msn.com (ALLEN JEFFREY)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:13:11 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Information Needed
Message-ID: <BAY3-F38PggRdYIsSGS0001ab34@hotmail.com>

Francis,

Check out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63952&item=3820241986&rd=1

for a gas tank. Seller also has a bracket for sale that might be what you 
are looing for.

Jeff


>From: FRM8198 at aol.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] Maytag Information Needed
>Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:48:32 EDT
>
>Hi List,
>I understand from the research I have completed that the two cylinder 
>Maytag
>came with one of 5 (five) different gas tanks.  The unit that I have has 
>the
>aluminum tank and therefore it doesn't have a flat mounting base.  The 
>other
>tanks are made of cast iron with provisions to hold the engine down.  This
>particular model of Maytag (with the aluminum tank) that I have is supposed 
>to hang
>from an overhead mount.  The P.O. of this engine made a mount so that the
>engine can be fitted to a flat surface.  In order to do this, the top of 
>the gas
>tank was modified to fasten 4 (four) brackets with bolts.
>I would like to obtain a cast tank or find out how this engine was 
>originally
>mounted to an overhead mount.  To date, I haven't been able locate a
>different gas or how the overhead mount is fabricated and where it attaches 
>to the
>engine.  Can anyone point me in the right direction to either find a 
>replacement
>cast iron tank or how to make the overhead mount and connect it to the 
>engine?
>
>
>Francis Maciel
>Santa Maria, California
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From mholland at softwaretoolbox.com  Wed Jun  9 15:18:54 2004
From: mholland at softwaretoolbox.com (Melissa Holland)
Date: Wed,  9 Jun 2004 18:18:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] automated response
Message-ID: <10406091818.AA7611694@beechmtn.softwaretoolbox.com>

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From alanb2 at webtv.net  Wed Jun  9 16:32:32 2004
From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:32:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Information Needed
In-Reply-To: "ALLEN JEFFREY" <transteck2@msn.com>'s message of Mon,
	07 Jun 2004 23:13:11 +0000
Message-ID: <10000-40C79E10-144@storefull-3277.bay.webtv.net>

Hi Jeff,

That tank is like what Francis has now.
The bracket the seller is offering might be the part that bolts to the
underside of the washer, but it is not the part that attaches to the two
top cylinder bolts on each side of the engine.

I will try to put up a picture of mine this weekend.

Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net
Williamsburg, Michigan

~~~~~Jeff Allen wrote~~~~~ 

Francis, 
Check out: 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63952&item=3820241986&rd=1 
for a gas tank. Seller also has a bracket for sale that might be what
you are looking for. 
Jeff



From rexhinz at chorus.net  Wed Jun  9 16:43:52 2004
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:43:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] coulee antique engine show dates?
References: <20040609023629.13697.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c44e7b$a5a1ba00$4986a5d8@rex>

   Here a good site for shows in the wisconsin area for 2004 , hope it helps
, they have a show list
 www.upsteamandgasengine.org
   Rex


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Prindle" <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] coulee antique engine show dates?


> Hi Stacy,
> I can't find my show directory, either lost it or lent it out. I thought
> the show used to be about this time of the year, same time as Plainfield.
> I know they were having some problems over there, they have been suffering
> for years. I looked on the department of tourism's site, and on the web
> using Vernon County, Viroqua and Coulee, and nothing to be seen on this
> year's show. I suppose you could try to find a telephone number for
> someone in Viroqua, like a chamber of commerce or even the sherrif's
> department, and give them a call and see if they can tell you more.
> If that doesn't work out, perhaps you would come up to Plainfield. That
> show is getting better every year and there are some real good folks
> there. Last year it was so cold and rainy we pulled out early on Sunday to
> go get coffee, and we never even brought any beer. I hope this doesn't
> mean we are getting old!!
> Eagle River is a week or two later, that club has had a major shake-up and
> seems to be straightening out. Scott Vassar, from Rhinelander, is the
> President now and Scott is working real hard to make things go. I haven't
> been there for years, but it used to be that some of the finest engines to
> be seen anywhere in WI would show up at that little show at the campground
> in Eagle River. Now it is moved to the snowmobile race track, so it might
> not be as cozy as it was, but there was getting to be a lot of tension
> between the folks who owned the campground and the club. They have a heck
> of a deal now, the guys who run the snowmobile racetrack welcomed the club
> with open arms, charged them nothing to use the place and put it on their
> insurance. You just can't kick about a deal like that.
> Does anyone know when the Freeport show is? Oddly I never see much about
> it on the list. I haven't gone in a long, long time but it used to be one
> of my favorite shows. There are some real good folks down there and they
> put on a nice show. If I can get off from work, I wouldn't mind going down
> there again.
> Maybe I will see you at Plainfield. Just remember, the locals don't find
> Ed Gein jokes to be very funny!
> Joe
> --- Stacy Leis <sleis at mwt.net> wrote:
> > Hi List
> >
> >   I was wondering of someone could look at there 2004 show directory and
> > tell me if and when the coulee antique engine show is in Viroqua
> > Wisconsin? thank you for the help ? :-)
> >
> >                                         Stacy
> >
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> www.tznet.com/jprindle
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Jun  9 18:15:57 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:15:57 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Information Needed
Message-ID: <7d.5036c367.2df9104d@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/9/2004 3:16:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
transteck2 at msn.com writes:
Seller also has a bracket for sale that might be what you 
are looking for.
Jeff,
Thanks for the information.  


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jun  9 22:19:41 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:19:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Computer question
Message-ID: <20040609.221941.1400.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  A friend of mine is using AOL 9.0.  When I send him a message
with a hyper text, it does not appear blue and he says when he cuts and
pastes it into his browser it still does nothing.  Any suggestions how he
can fix this.  The same message sent to other AOL users works ok.
Thanks.
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  9 10:35:37 2004
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 17:35:37 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Novo?
Message-ID: <BAY22-F23fKRfcjcMzf00019301@hotmail.com>

Hi Grant,

The picture of the engine laying in the grass looks similar to a Novo, but 
the base is pretty square looking and doesn't look similar to the Novo's 
I've seen.  I don't think it is a Novo, but I'm no expert and it very well 
could be.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
========================
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:08:35 -0600
From: "Grant Weir" <weirgrant at hotmail.com>
Subject: [SEL] Novo?

http://groups.msn.com/GrantsOldTractorGoodies/sundaymorningcruise.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1055

What do you think gang?  Is it a Novo?  It's pretty rough, so I'm kind of 
thinking
"flower pot" but if this thing is rare or something, then perhaps I'll have
to work on it some.  Thanks!

Grant Weir
Saskatoon, SK.
Canada

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From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Jun 10 07:25:31 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:25:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question - Update
Message-ID: <20040610.102531.1124.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi List,

A little while ago I sent out a question on how to adjust the valves on a
Briggs & Stratton.

I couldn't imagine how a valve could stretch and be bigger than it was
when installed.

Thanks to all who responded. It is much appreciated.

Sometimes my thinking just defy's all logic.  When I finally got around
to taking the valve out of the engine, I realized that the valve face had
simply worn away.  (Stupid me !)  Thus, making the valve seem too long
and not seating.  Feeling that I "had nothing to lose", I figured I need
to reface the valve.  

I stuck it in the drill press to spin it and used a file to reface the
valve.  Then ground the end of the stem to fit the valve in the engine
with a .007 clearance.  Looking at the work I did,  I was starting to
feel like a damn machinist !!!  I actually felt good about what I did !

After installing the valve and putting the little engine back together -
I gave it a little squirt of gasoline and pulled the rope - - - IT
STARTED !! and ran for about 2 seconds.

Then I tried again and the engine seized up.  Damn !!! What happened ???
It seemed that something got into the cylinder (or so I thought).  Upon
taking the piston out I found that there was a bunch of aluminum shavings
between the rings and the piston groves.  I guess the rings were "frozen"
to the piston and now I have a scored cylinder wall.  

CAUTION - - Never take for granted the condition of things you cannot
see.

I still have hope for the little engine.  I've cleaned up the cylinder
and feel it just might be runable in this condition.  If the cylinder
wall scores again, then I guess it will be JUNK.

Right now I'm soaking the carburetor parts in denatured alcohol so
dissolve the varnish.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
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\/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jun 10 07:33:26 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 00:33:26 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Famous Running
In-Reply-To: <BAY14-F27iE5gLJENss0005b64b@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <200406101442.i5AEgGuw026845@newidea.atis.net>

Hi Dave,
	It is interesting ho the different styles get spread around. After
talking with Edd it seems that 7 out of 10 Famous engines, up this way, are
throttlers. Edd has every size Famous up to 10hp. A nice collection.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----


hi patrick nice pic of rons famous, i have a 6hp hit'n'miss screen cooled 
famous, they seem to be more common down this way as lindsays and one other 
are the only two throttle governed ones i have seen down here. cheers dave





From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jun 10 07:34:23 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 00:34:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Famous Running
In-Reply-To: <a0.eaea02c.2df70fd3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200406101443.i5AEh8uw027478@newidea.atis.net>

They are nice looking engines Tom. A Famous is on my list of engines I would
like to own one day. I will have to keep looking.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----
Patrick,

The 6 Famous of Ron is a great engine and looks to be all original.  My 6 
Famous hopper cooled is on the wrong cart.  I have a set of original wheels
and 
keep saying I am going to get some channel and put it on the proper cart.
My 6 
Famous screen cooled is all original.  Pictures of both can be seen at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/Shop3.htm

Tom Schmutz




From bolhuis at amtelecom.net  Thu Jun 10 07:45:24 2004
From: bolhuis at amtelecom.net (Bob & Sheila Bolhuis)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:45:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Novo?
References: <BAY14-F217PDqqgNjWO0006d499@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <007001c44ef9$90262a20$6600a8c0@EMACHINE>

Grant ,   There were lots of Novos sold in Canada , but they were tagged London.   Made by London Gas Power or prior to that , Scott
Machine. The early ones had the square brass mixer like on the Ideal .
        Bob
Bob & Sheila Bolhuis
RR#4
Aylmer , Ont, Can
N5H-2R3
519-765-3337




From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun 10 08:38:45 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:38:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question - Update
In-Reply-To: <20040610.102531.1124.1.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <007f01c44f01$06a4c600$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

Don't give up, some list member just might have a block they'd donate.......
Never know what one could find.
If I can locate wheel bolts for a 83 VW bunny, anything can happen!

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 9:26 AM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question - Update


Hi List,

A little while ago I sent out a question on how to adjust the valves on a
Briggs & Stratton.

I couldn't imagine how a valve could stretch and be bigger than it was when
installed.

Thanks to all who responded. It is much appreciated.

Sometimes my thinking just defy's all logic.  When I finally got around to
taking the valve out of the engine, I realized that the valve face had
simply worn away.  (Stupid me !)  Thus, making the valve seem too long and
not seating.  Feeling that I "had nothing to lose", I figured I need to
reface the valve.  

I stuck it in the drill press to spin it and used a file to reface the
valve.  Then ground the end of the stem to fit the valve in the engine with
a .007 clearance.  Looking at the work I did,  I was starting to feel like a
damn machinist !!!  I actually felt good about what I did !

After installing the valve and putting the little engine back together - I
gave it a little squirt of gasoline and pulled the rope - - - IT STARTED !!
and ran for about 2 seconds.

Then I tried again and the engine seized up.  Damn !!! What happened ??? It
seemed that something got into the cylinder (or so I thought).  Upon taking
the piston out I found that there was a bunch of aluminum shavings between
the rings and the piston groves.  I guess the rings were "frozen" to the
piston and now I have a scored cylinder wall.  

CAUTION - - Never take for granted the condition of things you cannot see.

I still have hope for the little engine.  I've cleaned up the cylinder and
feel it just might be runable in this condition.  If the cylinder wall
scores again, then I guess it will be JUNK.

Right now I'm soaking the carburetor parts in denatured alcohol so dissolve
the varnish.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
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From ivancou at usachoice.net  Thu Jun 10 13:52:18 2004
From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 16:52:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question - Update
References: <20040610.102531.1124.1.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <000201c44f2c$d2c815e0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7>

I had one that was scored ,guy told me to do it myself .  Used a engine hone
to take it .010 over .  Oil doesnt make a good lubricant when honing the
alum block ,it just clogs up the stones ,  but PB blaster worked real good .
Only took about half an hour . Work slow and measure often .  New piston &
rings , runs great .  Ivan




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jun 10 16:38:44 2004
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 19:38:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Schmidt's Chilled Cylinder
References: <20040609.073537.-180231.0.R.J.Mattson@juno.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c44f44$11ec8460$463e4a18@carolina.rr.com>

I believe Greg Doby has one.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ronald J Mattson" <r.j.mattson at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 7:35 AM
Subject: [SEL] Schmidt's Chilled Cylinder


> Hi All,
> Just picked up a 3 HP, air cooled Schmidt's. It looks like it was used as
> a boat anchor- pretty rusty, but the former owner did manage to get it
> apart with some damage. The piston is busted and the rod is rotted so bad
> that it is unusable. I would like to find a piston and rod, I know this
> is not the most common engine but if anyone has a wasted parts engine,
> please let me know.
> I also would like to find out about the ignition system, it has a spark
> plug hole so I'm guessing that it used a buzz coil. What I need to know
> is what triggered the coil, the details of the contacts etc, etc. Did it
> have a spark advance?
> I have copies of some ads that show the pin stripes but need to know the
> original color. Was it red with a silver cylinder? 
> Thanks for any help you can give with this project.
> Ron in RI
> 
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From christison at coastalnet.com  Thu Jun 10 18:05:35 2004
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 21:05:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] IHC serial numbers
References: <20040609023629.13697.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com>
	<000d01c44e7b$a5a1ba00$4986a5d8@rex>
Message-ID: <000f01c44f50$35435680$0100a8c0@mshome.net>

I have just added more IHC serial numbers to the serial numbers page
at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/numbers.htm
Look for the link from my name.

Take care.

Ken Christison
Conway, NC
christison at coastalnet.com
http://www.oldiron-nut.com
http://www.syrupmakers.com


From ozengine at yahoo.com.au  Thu Jun 10 18:14:30 2004
From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:14:30 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Grant's Novo
Message-ID: <20040611011430.34127.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Grant

Very interested in your Novo find at the farm. What a
pleasure to behold seeing old iron like that - a nice
picture for the rest of us. I hope you acquire it and
that it's not too bad inside. There's a few holes
exposed to the weather though.

My 2c worth. I think it's only the light and grass
shadows showing the base as "different, squarer" to a
Novo as Luke suggested. The upright fuel fillers IMO
is a clue to the early series (except that the Ideal's
differ), and it may be a London as suggested.
Unfortunately the carby is missing, but I would reckon
it's the early brass square type too. On the later
series (Novo's at least) the serial number is on the
top edge of the hopper after about 70,000. In your
case, like my early Novo it would only be on the tag.
Can't tell if the tag is there or not (on the spark
plug side)...yet! but the other hand-hole cover might
tell you something if it's still there.

There appears to be scads of parts in the USA for
these and some good list mates with Novo's who have
helped me with pics etc. I'd say go get it! especially
if it's cheap. Offer maybe 30 $, considering it's
condition. And see if the carby is on a shelf
somewhere at the farm!! Don't leave without looking
whatever you do and don't forget to tell us how you
get on.

Cheers

Graham in Oz
 



Thanks a bunch Arnie!  The brochure info is great.  It
sure does 
look like a 
Novo to me.  I'll see if I can get a digital over to
snap some 
pictures 
soon.  Wow - your's sure looks like it's in super-nice
original 
shape.

I'll post some more pictures soon.  Thanks again!

Grant Weir


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http://au.movies.yahoo.com


From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Jun 10 18:26:01 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 21:26:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question - Update
Message-ID: <20040610.212939.1112.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi List,
Especially Bill D.

Well - - - After soaking the carb parts in denatured alcohol - the little
3 HP Briggs with a scored cylinder wall and hand faced valves - - - RUNS
!!!  and runs strong !

Damn - - - I'm lucky !!!

Don't want to put any $$$ into this thing.



Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -   
\/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jun 10 19:14:14 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:14:14 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT: Walking the Dog in Winter
Message-ID: <200406110223.i5B2N0uw026220@newidea.atis.net>

I took my digital camera with me on my walk the other night and snapped a
few pics of my part of the world in Winter. It cold almost be on topic as I
pass a number of items of old machinery :)
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/winter04.html


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jun 11 05:03:11 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:03:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Grant's Novo
In-Reply-To: <20040611011430.34127.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040611011430.34127.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406110755540.72533@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Graham makes an EXCELLENT point here that's really worth repeating.

When you make a deal to pick up that "barn fresh" engine (or rusty yard
ornament) that's missing the mixer, mag, etc. DO ask if you can have a
look around in the barn, celler, etc.  I think VERY OFTEN the "easily
removed" bits were removed and put up on a shelf for safe-keeping while
the owner decided what to do with the engine that quit working.  Then you
come along decades later.  I've heard too many stories of folks who found
the expensive bits, covered in dirt, straw, and pigeon poop sitting on the
shelf where they were put.

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, [iso-8859-1] Graham Harris wrote:

<snip>

> Unfortunately the carby is missing, but I would reckon
> it's the early brass square type too.

<snip>

> And see if the carby is on a shelf
> somewhere at the farm!! Don't leave without looking
> whatever you do and don't forget to tell us how you
> get on.


From pmaples at anaxis.net  Fri Jun 11 05:23:03 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 07:23:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
Message-ID: <004701c44fae$da6c4910$d7f70cd1@VAIO>

Do any of the List members live anywhere near Ashfield, MA. I have a corn
cutter I would like to purchase but it has to be picked up within 10 days of
the close of the auction. I would need someone who could pick it up for me
and store it until I could arrange for transportation to Portland for it.

Thanks,

Paul




From r.j.mattson at juno.com  Fri Jun 11 06:51:31 2004
From: r.j.mattson at juno.com (Ronald J Mattson)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:51:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Schmidt's Chilled Cylinder
Message-ID: <20040611.095318.-443535.0.R.J.Mattson@juno.com>

Hi All,
Thanks to all the folks who answered my post both on and off list. I
remember what we went through, 15 or 20 years ago with a similar project.
Ain't this electronic age wonderful.
Ron in RI

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 19:38:44 -0400 "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
writes:
> I believe Greg Doby has one.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ronald J Mattson" <r.j.mattson at juno.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 7:35 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Schmidt's Chilled Cylinder
> 
> 
> > Hi All,
> > Just picked up a 3 HP, air cooled Schmidt's. It looks like it was 
> used as
> > a boat anchor- pretty rusty, but the former owner did manage to 
> get it
> > apart with some damage. The piston is busted and the rod is rotted 
> so bad
> > that it is unusable. I would like to find a piston and rod, I know 
> this
> > is not the most common engine but if anyone has a wasted parts 
> engine,
> > please let me know.
> > I also would like to find out about the ignition system, it has a 
> spark
> > plug hole so I'm guessing that it used a buzz coil. What I need to 
> know
> > is what triggered the coil, the details of the contacts etc, etc. 
> Did it
> > have a spark advance?
> > I have copies of some ads that show the pin stripes but need to 
> know the
> > original color. Was it red with a silver cylinder? 
> > Thanks for any help you can give with this project.
> > Ron in RI
> > 
> > ________________________________________________________________
> > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
> > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
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From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Fri Jun 11 10:05:49 2004
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:05:49 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Briggs Question - Update
Message-ID: <131.2efefbe1.2dfb406d@aol.com>

Hi Joe,
Well done!

Ron Carroll
Clearmont, MO USA

In a message dated 6/10/2004 8:41:46 PM Central Standard Time, jlb94 at juno.com 
writes:

> Well - - - After soaking the carb parts in denatured alcohol - the little
> 3 HP Briggs with a scored cylinder wall and hand faced valves - - - RUNS
> !!!  and runs strong !



From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jun 11 08:12:18 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:12:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Walking the Dog in Winter
Message-ID: <20040611.150955.1040.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Nice pics Pat,
It's interesting to see what it looks like at this time of year in other
countries.

What time of day is it on these pics ?

Shannon is a good looker also.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -   
 \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From weirgrant at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 11 14:04:51 2004
From: weirgrant at hotmail.com (Grant Weir)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:04:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Novo?
Message-ID: <BAY14-F34RFTKwegH3m00056543@hotmail.com>


Hi Bob,

   That is very interesting!  I've heard of London Gas Power before but I 
can't remember where...  Oh yeah - I saw something with than name on it last 
year at one of the big Schneider auctions.  Hmmm....  That makes sense that 
it would be a Canadian built engine.   Sure there are lots of IHC's and more 
common imported stuff like that, but Canadian engines are not uncommon out 
here.  (Judson, OWE & P Co., Dejardins, T.Eaton, etc.)  Unfortunately, the 
serial# plate is gone as are the crank-case covers with the name cast into 
them.  I do have the engine at home now and will get some pictures posted 
this weekend.   I don't know...  this engine is pretty rough - I'm still 
thinking "flower pot" but I am getting more and more interested all the 
time!

  Thanks for the info!

Grant Weir
Saskatoon, SK.
Canada



>From: "Bob & Sheila Bolhuis" <bolhuis at amtelecom.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo?
>Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:45:24 -0400
>
>Grant ,   There were lots of Novos sold in Canada , but they were tagged 
>London.   Made by London Gas Power or prior to that , Scott
>Machine. The early ones had the square brass mixer like on the Ideal .
>         Bob
>Bob & Sheila Bolhuis
>RR#4
>Aylmer , Ont, Can
>N5H-2R3
>519-765-3337
>
>
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From weirgrant at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 11 14:17:35 2004
From: weirgrant at hotmail.com (Grant Weir)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:17:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Grant's Novo
Message-ID: <BAY14-F20vqQ7SzE2NS00006b0e@hotmail.com>


Hi Graham,

   Thanks for the comments!  I did end up going back and getting the engine, 
but there was nothing else there to see, as the farmer had recently decided 
to push the entire yard into a hole and bury it!  By some miracle this 
engine missed the carnage, as did an IHC LB which ended up in the farmers 
yard.  In the background of that picture is the well where my mystery engine 
once pumped water.  The little upright must have pumped water there for 
several decades until the farm went "modern" and picked up the IHC LB to 
replace it.  At that point the old girl was tossed out the back of the pump 
shack and into the ditch behind where we found it.  I thought it interesting 
that way in which the poor old machine was so unceremoniously tossed aside 
was what ultimately ended up saving it.  If it were not tossed into that 
junk pile behind the pump shack it surely would have been found long ago, 
and if that Caterpillar had not drove the whole farm into a hole, the engine 
would probably still be buried.  Love it!

  I'll post some pictures this weekend.

Grant Weir
Saskatoon, SK.
Canada


>From: Graham Harris <ozengine at yahoo.com.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] Grant's Novo
>Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:14:30 +1000 (EST)
>
>Hi Grant
>
>Very interested in your Novo find at the farm. What a
>pleasure to behold seeing old iron like that - a nice
>picture for the rest of us. I hope you acquire it and
>that it's not too bad inside. There's a few holes
>exposed to the weather though.
>
>My 2c worth. I think it's only the light and grass
>shadows showing the base as "different, squarer" to a
>Novo as Luke suggested. The upright fuel fillers IMO
>is a clue to the early series (except that the Ideal's
>differ), and it may be a London as suggested.
>Unfortunately the carby is missing, but I would reckon
>it's the early brass square type too. On the later
>series (Novo's at least) the serial number is on the
>top edge of the hopper after about 70,000. In your
>case, like my early Novo it would only be on the tag.
>Can't tell if the tag is there or not (on the spark
>plug side)...yet! but the other hand-hole cover might
>tell you something if it's still there.
>
>There appears to be scads of parts in the USA for
>these and some good list mates with Novo's who have
>helped me with pics etc. I'd say go get it! especially
>if it's cheap. Offer maybe 30 $, considering it's
>condition. And see if the carby is on a shelf
>somewhere at the farm!! Don't leave without looking
>whatever you do and don't forget to tell us how you
>get on.
>
>Cheers
>
>Graham in Oz
>
>
>
>
>Thanks a bunch Arnie!  The brochure info is great.  It
>sure does
>look like a
>Novo to me.  I'll see if I can get a digital over to
>snap some
>pictures
>soon.  Wow - your's sure looks like it's in super-nice
>original
>shape.
>
>I'll post some more pictures soon.  Thanks again!
>
>Grant Weir
>
>
>Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
>http://au.movies.yahoo.com
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From pmaples at anaxis.net  Fri Jun 11 15:53:19 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:53:19 -0500
Subject: Fw: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
Message-ID: <01bc01c45006$e70496c0$e9f70cd1@VAIO>

Folks this is a small unit that will fit in the back of a pickup, in fact
several of them would fit in the back of a pickup. Sure would like to have
it but need a temporary storage for it until I can arrange transportation to
the August Portland Show - anyone out there who can pick it up in Ashfield,
Ma for me?

Thanks

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 7:23 AM
Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help


> Do any of the List members live anywhere near Ashfield, MA. I have a corn
> cutter I would like to purchase but it has to be picked up within 10 days
of
> the close of the auction. I would need someone who could pick it up for me
> and store it until I could arrange for transportation to Portland for it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
>
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jun 11 21:41:51 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 14:41:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT: Walking the Dog in Winter
In-Reply-To: <20040611.150955.1040.1.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200406120452.i5C4q5uw016552@newidea.atis.net>

Hi Joe. The photos were taken late afternoon from about 4.30pm until sunset
at 5pm. The sun keeps setting earlier and earlier but thankfully we are
almost at the shortest day so we will soon be heading back to summer :)
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----
Nice pics Pat,
It's interesting to see what it looks like at this time of year in other
countries.

What time of day is it on these pics ?

Shannon is a good looker also.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Jun 12 03:38:10 2004
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:38:10 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Old 
Message-ID: <061220041038.4902.73a7@mchsi.com>




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Jun 12 03:43:41 2004
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:43:41 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Old iron express service needed
Message-ID: <061220041043.5689.7f0f@mchsi.com>

Still looking for some to help tranport a crankshaft and flywheel off an 
Edwards engine from Somers, Montana to northern Illinois. The parts only 
weight about 60lbs and will fit in car trunk easily.  Skip Landis has the 
parts and lives near Glacier Nat. Park in Montana.  Would like to have them 
before August 20th or even if some one can take them to Portland show the 
folowing week would help.
Thankyou in advance,
Curt Andree
McConnell, Ill.


From edstoller at earthlink.net  Sat Jun 12 12:47:56 2004
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:47:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
References: <01bc01c45006$e70496c0$e9f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <004401c450b6$39d448a0$9a9ef504@x8h7l9>

Paul,

I live about 115 mi  South of Ashfield; it would be a trip. Did you get any
other feelers?

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 6:53 PM
Subject: Fw: [SEL] Need Transportation Help


> Folks this is a small unit that will fit in the back of a pickup, in fact
> several of them would fit in the back of a pickup. Sure would like to have
> it but need a temporary storage for it until I can arrange transportation
to
> the August Portland Show - anyone out there who can pick it up in
Ashfield,
> Ma for me?
>
> Thanks
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 7:23 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
>
>
> > Do any of the List members live anywhere near Ashfield, MA. I have a
corn
> > cutter I would like to purchase but it has to be picked up within 10
days
> of
> > the close of the auction. I would need someone who could pick it up for
me
> > and store it until I could arrange for transportation to Portland for
it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From pmaples at anaxis.net  Sat Jun 12 18:34:24 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 20:34:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
References: <01bc01c45006$e70496c0$e9f70cd1@VAIO>
	<004401c450b6$39d448a0$9a9ef504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <007d01c450e6$91cd5670$e0f70cd1@VAIO>

Not yet Ed and that is way too far for you to go. I so appreciate your
response but unless someone closer comes through I will just forget it.

Thanks again Ed,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help


> Paul,
>
> I live about 115 mi  South of Ashfield; it would be a trip. Did you get
any
> other feelers?
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 6:53 PM
> Subject: Fw: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
>
>
> > Folks this is a small unit that will fit in the back of a pickup, in
fact
> > several of them would fit in the back of a pickup. Sure would like to
have
> > it but need a temporary storage for it until I can arrange
transportation
> to
> > the August Portland Show - anyone out there who can pick it up in
> Ashfield,
> > Ma for me?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> > To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 7:23 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> >
> >
> > > Do any of the List members live anywhere near Ashfield, MA. I have a
> corn
> > > cutter I would like to purchase but it has to be picked up within 10
> days
> > of
> > > the close of the auction. I would need someone who could pick it up
for
> me
> > > and store it until I could arrange for transportation to Portland for
> it.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From gwwny at verizon.net  Sat Jun 12 19:23:29 2004
From: gwwny at verizon.net (George Woodzell)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 22:23:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
In-Reply-To: <007d01c450e6$91cd5670$e0f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <BCF132E1.5426%gwwny@verizon.net>

Hi, Paul!

I'm in Schenectady, New York - near Albany. If this unit of yours will fit
in the back of a station wagon, I'd be happy to go get the thing and store
it for you. How much does the thing weigh?

George

> Not yet Ed and that is way too far for you to go. I so appreciate your
> response but unless someone closer comes through I will just forget it.
> 
> Thanks again Ed,
> 
> Paul
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 2:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> 
> 
>> Paul,
>> 
>> I live about 115 mi  South of Ashfield; it would be a trip. Did you get
> any
>> other feelers?
>> 
>> Ed Stoller
>> New Fairfield, CT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
>> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 6:53 PM
>> Subject: Fw: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
>> 
>> 
>>> Folks this is a small unit that will fit in the back of a pickup, in
> fact
>>> several of them would fit in the back of a pickup. Sure would like to
> have
>>> it but need a temporary storage for it until I can arrange
> transportation
>> to
>>> the August Portland Show - anyone out there who can pick it up in
>> Ashfield,
>>> Ma for me?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
>>> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 7:23 AM
>>> Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Do any of the List members live anywhere near Ashfield, MA. I have a
>> corn
>>>> cutter I would like to purchase but it has to be picked up within 10
>> days
>>> of
>>>> the close of the auction. I would need someone who could pick it up
> for
>> me
>>>> and store it until I could arrange for transportation to Portland for
>> it.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Paul
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Jun 12 23:24:37 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:24:37 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Johnson Multimotor Information Needed
Message-ID: <1c8.1a840069.2dfd4d25@aol.com>

Hi List,
Does anyone know where I can find some technical data on a Johnson 
Multimotor, single cylinder, two cycle engine.  I need to know where I might be able to 
get a carburetor.  This engine is similar in design to the Model 92 Maytag.  
It has a cast iron flywheel and a detactable head.
Any information is appreciated.

Thanks, 

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From sutter at iprimus.com.au  Sun Jun 13 00:48:32 2004
From: sutter at iprimus.com.au (Sutter)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:48:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Bamford EV1 / EG! Big end bearing adjustment
Message-ID: <MCBBLAKEEFPFODGGJMCMIEJKDAAA.sutter@iprimus.com.au>


G'day SEL list

I have a Bamford EV1 /EG1 1.5 hp.
On both engines the big end has split white metal shell inserts  with shim
adjustment.
The difference between these big ends and all the other ones I have seen and
done is that the shims sit OUTSIDE the shells ie. the shells butt up against
each other and the shims are behind the shell and located by the big end
bolts. The Bamford parts manual clearly shows this setup as well.

Question:
If you want to adjust the clearance and remove say 2 shims it does not
really make any difference as the shells are already butted hard against
each other. Do you have to "rub' the surface of each shell down the required
amount on fine emery/flat surface to match the thickness of shims removed ?
If so isn't this method inaccurate and basically not very good- if you rub
the shell down too much it could then move slightly in the big end - or it
might not be square etc. etc.

Am I missing something ? Engines I have dealt with have the shims between
the shells - you add or remove the required amount of shims - do the big end
up and everything is locked together and cannot move - end of story.
Also does anyone know of a source for a 10 thou undersize set of bamford big
end shells ie. 1.490 inch?

Looking forward to hearing from (Bamford) experts.

Rod Sutter
Melbourne Australia
sutter at iprimus.com.au
03 9763 9235



From pmaples at anaxis.net  Sun Jun 13 09:15:30 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:15:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
References: <BCF132E1.5426%gwwny@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <00bb01c45161$a8bfb4b0$f2f70cd1@VAIO>

Folks I done something I am good at and that is show my ignorance. I had
stated in a previous list that the corn cutter I am looking for
transportation for was in Ashfield, Maryland as I assumed that the state
abbreviation Ma was Maryland. My good friend George Woodzell, who is
obviously more educated that I aptly pointed out to me that Ma is
Massachusetts, not Maryland. So if any of you folks live near Ashfield, Mass
and could pick the cutter up and store it for me until I can arrange
transportation to Portland I would appreciate it. It will easily fit in the
back of any pickup and as I have said before you could probably put tow or
three in the back of a normal pickup. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Woodzell" <gwwny at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help


> Hi, Paul!
>
> I'm in Schenectady, New York - near Albany. If this unit of yours will fit
> in the back of a station wagon, I'd be happy to go get the thing and store
> it for you. How much does the thing weigh?
>
> George
>
> > Not yet Ed and that is way too far for you to go. I so appreciate your
> > response but unless someone closer comes through I will just forget it.
> >
> > Thanks again Ed,
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 2:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> >
> >
> >> Paul,
> >>
> >> I live about 115 mi  South of Ashfield; it would be a trip. Did you get
> > any
> >> other feelers?
> >>
> >> Ed Stoller
> >> New Fairfield, CT
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> >> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 6:53 PM
> >> Subject: Fw: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> >>
> >>
> >>> Folks this is a small unit that will fit in the back of a pickup, in
> > fact
> >>> several of them would fit in the back of a pickup. Sure would like to
> > have
> >>> it but need a temporary storage for it until I can arrange
> > transportation
> >> to
> >>> the August Portland Show - anyone out there who can pick it up in
> >> Ashfield,
> >>> Ma for me?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> >>> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 7:23 AM
> >>> Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Do any of the List members live anywhere near Ashfield, MA. I have a
> >> corn
> >>>> cutter I would like to purchase but it has to be picked up within 10
> >> days
> >>> of
> >>>> the close of the auction. I would need someone who could pick it up
> > for
> >> me
> >>>> and store it until I could arrange for transportation to Portland for
> >> it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Paul
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> SEL mailing list
> >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> SEL mailing list
> >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jun 13 10:25:08 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:25:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Test - OT Disregard
In-Reply-To: <014901c44705$2721c670$6809a4cb@km>
References: <000d01c41de3$7892ba00$f6a557ca@andrewiowlw0rj>
	<014901c44705$2721c670$6809a4cb@km>
Message-ID: <40CC8DF4.5040300@scrtc.com>



Not getting any SEL emails.  Sorry for the test to see if its on my end.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Sun Jun 13 12:23:21 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 20:23:21 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Test - OT Disregard
In-Reply-To: <40CC8DF4.5040300@scrtc.com>
References: <000d01c41de3$7892ba00$f6a557ca@andrewiowlw0rj>
	<014901c44705$2721c670$6809a4cb@km> <40CC8DF4.5040300@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <7capc0tnrprb9713slmed79fquqvsgr283@4ax.com>

On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:25:08 -0400, you wrote:

>
>
>Not getting any SEL emails.  Sorry for the test to see if its on my end.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY

Been fairly quiet here all weekend, Tommy, you're probably seeing the same
thing.

Peter

--
Peter & Rita Forbes
diesel at easynet.co.uk
Engine pages for preservation info:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From falcon at telenet.net  Sun Jun 13 13:40:52 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:40:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
References: <BCF132E1.5426%gwwny@verizon.net>
	<00bb01c45161$a8bfb4b0$f2f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <001701c45186$b86f83c0$911117d1@net.telenet.net>

135 miles one way for me Paul. It's a shame it has a time limit. I go
out to Springfield for the Big E but that is a ways away yet.


Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help


> Folks I done something I am good at and that is show my ignorance. I
had
> stated in a previous list that the corn cutter I am looking for
> transportation for was in Ashfield, Maryland as I assumed that the
state
> abbreviation Ma was Maryland. My good friend George Woodzell, who is
> obviously more educated that I aptly pointed out to me that Ma is
> Massachusetts, not Maryland. So if any of you folks live near
Ashfield, Mass
> and could pick the cutter up and store it for me until I can arrange
> transportation to Portland I would appreciate it. It will easily fit
in the
> back of any pickup and as I have said before you could probably put
tow or
> three in the back of a normal pickup. Any help would be greatly
appreciated.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "George Woodzell" <gwwny at verizon.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 9:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
>
>
> > Hi, Paul!
> >
> > I'm in Schenectady, New York - near Albany. If this unit of yours
will fit
> > in the back of a station wagon, I'd be happy to go get the thing and
store
> > it for you. How much does the thing weigh?
> >
> > George
> >
> > > Not yet Ed and that is way too far for you to go. I so appreciate
your
> > > response but unless someone closer comes through I will just
forget it.
> > >
> > > Thanks again Ed,
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> > > To: "The SEL email discussion list"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 2:47 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> > >
> > >
> > >> Paul,
> > >>
> > >> I live about 115 mi  South of Ashfield; it would be a trip. Did
you get
> > > any
> > >> other feelers?
> > >>
> > >> Ed Stoller
> > >> New Fairfield, CT
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> > >> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > >> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 6:53 PM
> > >> Subject: Fw: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Folks this is a small unit that will fit in the back of a
pickup, in
> > > fact
> > >>> several of them would fit in the back of a pickup. Sure would
like to
> > > have
> > >>> it but need a temporary storage for it until I can arrange
> > > transportation
> > >> to
> > >>> the August Portland Show - anyone out there who can pick it up
in
> > >> Ashfield,
> > >>> Ma for me?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> > >>> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > >>> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 7:23 AM
> > >>> Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Do any of the List members live anywhere near Ashfield, MA. I
have a
> > >> corn
> > >>>> cutter I would like to purchase but it has to be picked up
within 10
> > >> days
> > >>> of
> > >>>> the close of the auction. I would need someone who could pick
it up
> > > for
> > >> me
> > >>>> and store it until I could arrange for transportation to
Portland for
> > >> it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Paul
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>> SEL mailing list
> > >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> SEL mailing list
> > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> SEL mailing list
> > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Jun 13 13:54:48 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:54:48 EDT
Subject: [SEL]Should Be Utilimotor (made by Johnson), -- Info Needed
Message-ID: <1c0.1a614efc.2dfe1918@aol.com>

Hi List,
I screwed up when I was asking for data on a Johnson Multimotor.  Looking at 
the name tag in better lighting, I see that this engine is a Utilimotor (made 
by Johnson), Engine No. U20333.  I need technical information for this 
Utilimotor.  This Utilimotor is fairly complete except for the missing carburetor.


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Jun 13 14:53:58 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:53:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Test - OT Disregard
References: <000d01c41de3$7892ba00$f6a557ca@andrewiowlw0rj><014901c44705$2721c670$6809a4cb@km>
	<40CC8DF4.5040300@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV117ayeEHawO0001a9df@hotmail.com>

Made it to Montana Tommy.
   We got home late last night after attending the Lewistown, Mt. EDGE&TA 
show.  Only around 7 stationaries were there.  Show stopper for me was the 
150 Hp F-M, two lunger, horizontal....very sweet to the ears.

  Life is good..sawrig coming along jus fine.

later,
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 11:25 AM
Subject: [SEL] Test - OT Disregard


>
>
> Not getting any SEL emails.  Sorry for the test to see if its on my end.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From pmaples at anaxis.net  Sun Jun 13 15:43:23 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:43:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
References: <BCF132E1.5426%gwwny@verizon.net><00bb01c45161$a8bfb4b0$f2f70cd1@VAIO>
	<001701c45186$b86f83c0$911117d1@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <008401c45197$d8151b70$d4f70cd1@VAIO>

Thanks Steve for the response. I ask the lady if she would extend me any
grace on the pickup time and she let me know in a hurry that once it was
sold I had 10 days to get it and that was that. She told me that she had
been burned in the past by telling folks she could hold something for awhile
and then she ended up be a storage facility.

Thanks,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help


> 135 miles one way for me Paul. It's a shame it has a time limit. I go
> out to Springfield for the Big E but that is a ways away yet.
>
>
> Steve Williams
> Near Cooperstown NY
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
>
>
> > Folks I done something I am good at and that is show my ignorance. I
> had
> > stated in a previous list that the corn cutter I am looking for
> > transportation for was in Ashfield, Maryland as I assumed that the
> state
> > abbreviation Ma was Maryland. My good friend George Woodzell, who is
> > obviously more educated that I aptly pointed out to me that Ma is
> > Massachusetts, not Maryland. So if any of you folks live near
> Ashfield, Mass
> > and could pick the cutter up and store it for me until I can arrange
> > transportation to Portland I would appreciate it. It will easily fit
> in the
> > back of any pickup and as I have said before you could probably put
> tow or
> > three in the back of a normal pickup. Any help would be greatly
> appreciated.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "George Woodzell" <gwwny at verizon.net>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 9:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> >
> >
> > > Hi, Paul!
> > >
> > > I'm in Schenectady, New York - near Albany. If this unit of yours
> will fit
> > > in the back of a station wagon, I'd be happy to go get the thing and
> store
> > > it for you. How much does the thing weigh?
> > >
> > > George
> > >
> > > > Not yet Ed and that is way too far for you to go. I so appreciate
> your
> > > > response but unless someone closer comes through I will just
> forget it.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again Ed,
> > > >
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> > > > To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 2:47 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Paul,
> > > >>
> > > >> I live about 115 mi  South of Ashfield; it would be a trip. Did
> you get
> > > > any
> > > >> other feelers?
> > > >>
> > > >> Ed Stoller
> > > >> New Fairfield, CT
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> > > >> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > >> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 6:53 PM
> > > >> Subject: Fw: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> Folks this is a small unit that will fit in the back of a
> pickup, in
> > > > fact
> > > >>> several of them would fit in the back of a pickup. Sure would
> like to
> > > > have
> > > >>> it but need a temporary storage for it until I can arrange
> > > > transportation
> > > >> to
> > > >>> the August Portland Show - anyone out there who can pick it up
> in
> > > >> Ashfield,
> > > >>> Ma for me?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> > > >>> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > >>> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 7:23 AM
> > > >>> Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Do any of the List members live anywhere near Ashfield, MA. I
> have a
> > > >> corn
> > > >>>> cutter I would like to purchase but it has to be picked up
> within 10
> > > >> days
> > > >>> of
> > > >>>> the close of the auction. I would need someone who could pick
> it up
> > > > for
> > > >> me
> > > >>>> and store it until I could arrange for transportation to
> Portland for
> > > >> it.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Paul
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > > >>>> SEL mailing list
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Jun 13 16:36:53 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:36:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] What's the Horsepower?  (Bessemer half-breed)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406131932050.86197@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

I've got a Bessemer half-breed, bore & stroke are 6.5" x 12".
I've seen reference info that suggests that this is a 10 hp gas cylinder
and other reference info that suggests that it's a 12.5 hp gas cylinder.

Anyone out there with something definititive?  Or even a good guess?

10 hp or 12.5 hp?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Jun 13 17:25:02 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:25:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] RE: What's the Horsepower?  (Bessemer half-breed)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406131932050.86197@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <200406140033.i5E0Xbuw021366@newidea.atis.net>


 
> I've got a Bessemer half-breed, bore & stroke are 6.5" x
12".
> I've seen reference info that suggests that this is a 10
hp 
> gas cylinder and other reference info that suggests that
it's 
> a 12.5 hp gas cylinder.
> 
> Anyone out there with something definititive?  Or even a
good guess?

My guess is about three cents a pound.  

Rob

P.S.
C'mon, spill the beans!  
How did the flywheel pull go today?




From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net  Sun Jun 13 19:08:53 2004
From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 22:08:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Test - OT Disregard
References: <000d01c41de3$7892ba00$f6a557ca@andrewiowlw0rj>	<014901c44705$2721c670$6809a4cb@km>
	<40CC8DF4.5040300@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <40CD08B5.60503@zoominternet.net>

Your Honor,
I copy you loud and clear.

 Ed

Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

>
>
> Not getting any SEL emails.  Sorry for the test to see if its on my end.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From jenkins.frames at juno.com  Sun Jun 13 20:08:20 2004
From: jenkins.frames at juno.com (Arthur r Jenkins)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:08:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] another favor
Message-ID: <20040613.230836.-1932479.4.jenkins.frames@juno.com>

Have a favor to ask of the list 
I have a young friend that I have taken to a few engine typ shows, he has
enjoyed himself.  Since he will in California through August and I am in
Virginia was wondering if anyone on the west coast could sugges a few
shows or events for him to attend.  He will be in Oceanside somewhere
near San Deigo.
Send to me any show dates and locations off list and I will forward them.

Thanks
Arthur

Kohler generator project.

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From pavy at ihug.com.au  Sun Jun 13 23:28:19 2004
From: pavy at ihug.com.au (Mark and Leeanne)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:58:19 +0930
Subject: [SEL] IHC M 6HP
Message-ID: <003901c451d8$caba4f90$9505d9cb@yourvrozpt3zvx>

How is everyone?

I unsubscribed a while back due to an ongoing illness. I'm still not well
and am struggling to do everyday things and have not been doing much in the
way of restoring or attending engine shows. I have resubsribed now and
apologise to anyone left wondering if I dropped off the face of the earth.

Anyway about 3 months back a new mate asked me to give him an idea of value
of some engines he had in his shed as he wanted to sell some of them (he
doesn't have much interest in them and they were given to him by his
grandpa).
He had about a dozen of the more common engines seen in Australia but
amongst them were a Fuller and Johnson pumper and a 6HP Inter M. I asked
about these 2 but he was adamant he was keeping these 2 engines.
He rang me a couple of weeks ago stating he needed $1000 quick and I could
have the Inter M.
I wasted no time in picking it up as I have missed out on engines before
while thinking.

What I ended up with is engine No 10949 6HP dated 1920 with low tension
ignition complete with muffler, crankhandle and correct oiler on a farm made
transport. It has no sign of wear and I don't think it has had a lot of use.
Although it has been painted long ago. I repaired and remagnetised the
magneto, fixed the ignitor and cleaned and got the spiders out of the carby
and it runs very sweetly at 280RPM.

Photos at
http://community.webshots.com/user/pavys

Do I restore it or leave it as found?. Also I have never seen one with a
carby like this.
Thanks

Mark Pavy
Queenstown South Australia



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Jun 14 01:00:27 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:00:27 +0200
Subject: [SEL] IHC M 6HP
References: <003901c451d8$caba4f90$9505d9cb@yourvrozpt3zvx>
Message-ID: <000d01c451e5$a7beb370$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>


Hi Mark,

Nice early engine you have there. Only the color is a little strange
it has to be darker green. The carb is the early two-way carb, they
change them about 1921 for the three-way ones. The brass valve
plunger is new home made so to see. It has the old hand hole plate
with the wingnut. You have to find an original or repro fuel tank, it
sits under in the crank case. I think when you replace the governor 
springs for slacker ones you could make 200-220 rpm.
All in all a nice engine, when you have the time and like it to look
better, I would restore it and paint it in the right color with at the
governor side in yellow         INTERNATIONAL
                                                      engine

and the double white globe on the mag side.
But it's up to you of course, you're the lucky owner.

Have alot fun with your toy,

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl


> http://community.webshots.com/user/pavys
> Do I restore it or leave it as found?. Also I have never seen one with a
> carby like this.
> Thanks
> 
> Mark Pavy
> Queenstown South Australia




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jun 14 01:20:00 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:20:00 +1000
Subject: [SEL] IHC M 6HP
In-Reply-To: <003901c451d8$caba4f90$9505d9cb@yourvrozpt3zvx>
Message-ID: <200406140954.i5E9sMuw026521@newidea.atis.net>

Hi Mark,
	Good to have another Aussie back on the list :)
John has covered most of the facts on the engine. I would definitely give it
a nice coat of paint and a little TLC. I can see the fuel pump lurking on
the engine so with a little refurbishing you could have it running off the
tank in the base.  
The M is a good find. It is unusual to find any engine in Oz with its low
tension ignition intact. Most engines have been attacked by the spark plug
elves.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----

Do I restore it or leave it as found? Also I have never seen one with a
carby like this.
Thanks

Mark Pavy
Queenstown South Australia





From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Jun 14 05:34:07 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:34:07 +0100
Subject: [SEL] British Engine show Rules
Message-ID: <000501c4520b$e2b5ce20$0101a8c0@nemesis>

We have frequently discussed the different rules & ways of running an Engine show
in our various countries.
I have posted the rules for our biggest engine show at 
http://community.webshots.com/photo/152558084/152558982eXTBkD
(View full size to read) 
Does anyone have a rules sheet from their own show for comparison?
Dave Croft
Warrington
England



From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Jun 14 05:44:40 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:44:40 EDT
Subject: [SEL] IHC M 6HP
Message-ID: <117.341254f6.2dfef7b8@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/14/2004 4:14:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl writes:

<< Nice early engine you have there. Only the color is a little strange
 it has to be darker green. >>


John/Mark

I have two 6-M's, and have painted them with 1936 Buick engine green, which I 
believe is close to the original color.  It is special engine enamel that I 
have ordered from an auto restoration parts house and seems to hold up very 
well. Picture at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/Engine9.htm

The 6-M's are beautiful runners, but I still have nightmares about the 10-M 
that I have known about for years sitting in an apple packing shed that is tied 
up in an estate that cannot be bought yet!!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Jun 14 06:52:59 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:52:59 +0200
Subject: [SEL] IHC M 6HP
References: <117.341254f6.2dfef7b8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002401c45216$e70f1520$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Keep it warm Tom, don't loose that ten horse!
Think of any tricks you can do to get it.

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl


> The 6-M's are beautiful runners, but I still have nightmares about the 10-M 
> that I have known about for years sitting in an apple packing shed that is tied 
> up in an estate that cannot be bought yet!!
> 
> Tom Schmutz




From cjclem at sysim.net  Mon Jun 14 06:56:29 2004
From: cjclem at sysim.net (John)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:56:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Wis Engine Show (Viroqua)
Message-ID: <1087221389.40cdae8deb470@webmail.sysim.net>

Last week a list question was asked about former Viroqua,Wis show.  
Here is reply I rec'd via email 
today. /                                  The Coulee Antique Engines, 
now known as the Western Wisconsin Agricultural Museum, Inc., is 
undergoing a big change, putting on a new face!  This year the event 
will be held July 30-Aug. 1 at their new grounds on HWY 27 between 
Cashton and Westby.  Oliver will be the featured farm equipment this 
year. Hope you can make it!
Ingrid Mahan
Exec. Director
Viroqua Partners
220 South Main
Viroqua, WI
54665
(608) 637-2575
 




From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Jun 14 08:07:39 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:07:39 EDT
Subject: [SEL] IHC M 6HP
Message-ID: <1dd.23f7b83a.2dff193b@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/14/2004 10:28:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl writes:

<< Keep it warm Tom, don't loose that ten horse! >>

John,

I try to do that visiting maybe once a year.  While at a small show this past 
Saturday, got a lead on an Economy drop frame cart that I need to pay a visit 
in the very near future.  Ken Christison and his wife Connie drove up the 
show and we had a nice visit with them.  

Have a good day.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us  Mon Jun 14 09:30:05 2004
From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:30:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Paul's Transport Problem
Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A72022A9@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>

Paul, 

If I can meddle a bit here, Ashfield, MA isn't all that far from George in Schenectady. Maybe 40 miles as the crow flies. If the crow is walking along the road, it will be some further, but still not all that far.
I was there LAST month, of course...

Bruce Younger
Lenexa, Kansas USA
mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com
 

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From chesnimnus at juno.com  Mon Jun 14 10:55:48 2004
From: chesnimnus at juno.com (Colin M Rush)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:55:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Vaughan Motor; Mitchell, Lewis, Staver Motor
Message-ID: <20040614.110159.2708.3.chesnimnus@juno.com>

I was visiting an old dredge museum in eastern Oregon last week, and saw
in the yard there a small motor made by Vaughan Motor Works in Portland,
Oregon.  Since I live in Portland, I am thinking I would like to find one
of these.  I find no information on it by doing internet searches, other
than some photos of a unit at a museum in Australia.  Does anyone have
any information on one of these, or does anyone have one of these in
restorable condition that they would be willing to part with?  
Also, I am going to an auction south of me where there is a motor made by
Mitchell, Lewis, & Staver, again of Portland, Oregon.  I am looking for
the same information on that motor, as well as an estimate of what would
be an acceptable price to bid on it.  It does not run, does not turn, but
looks to be all there.  It is painted orange, but I do not know if that
is original or not.  I do not know the model, but the flywheel is about 2
to 3 feet in diameter, it is a single piston motor, and it has the CI
water tank on it.
-Colin Rush

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From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jun 14 11:35:31 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:35:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Lauson gaskets needed
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406131932050.86197@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000001c4523e$699cf300$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

Air cooled from 40's or 50's.
55AB-609
5172328

The little green one about 1 horse or so as used on reel mowers, etc.
Need all gaskets.
The local dudes can't even look 'em up any more, and simply don't want to
try.

Bill
Sunny hot and wet Iowa



From sleis at mwt.net  Mon Jun 14 14:17:48 2004
From: sleis at mwt.net (Stacy Leis)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:17:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Wis Engine Show (Viroqua)
References: <1087221389.40cdae8deb470@webmail.sysim.net>
Message-ID: <001e01c45255$1cda8fc0$0a55becf@computer>


Hi John 

 Thank you, I really appreciate you finding out this information for me .
              
                                            Stacy :-)
                                              Elroy, Wisconsin


From weirgrant at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 14 14:42:34 2004
From: weirgrant at hotmail.com (Grant Weir)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:42:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Novo/London pictures
Message-ID: <BAY14-F13e7vAtmOzLT0008e33a@hotmail.com>


Hi all,

   I finally got some pictures taken of my new treasure:

http://groups.msn.com/GrantsOldTractorGoodies/newengine.msnw?albumlist=2

   From the info Arnie sent me (thanks!), it looks like it is a 3HP Novo 
engine.  If it is not a Novo, then it is some form of knock-off thereof.  
One thing I am sure of is that it is very heavy - this thing will need a 
cart very soon! :-)

   I did manage to find the serial number - stamped plain-as-day on the 
bottom edge of the water hopper is "C5967" and also on one end of the 
crankshaft is stamped "5967" - neat!   This number does not jive with any 
Novo serial number lists I found on the net.  Something else that is a bit 
different is is that the valves are not housed in "cages" like the Novo 
brochure shows, but are actually more "normal" in that the seats are built 
right into the cylinder casting.  Less "normal" is the fact that the only 
way to access them is through two big threaded holes into the top of the 
combustion chamber way down in the water hopper.  The threaded holes are 
plugged with big ugly taper-threaded, NPT-looking plug-things.  They look 
well sealed now, but I'll bet their a real hassle to get "re-sealed" once 
I've removed them for valve repair.  Part of the fun I guess.  One positive 
point to the water hopper being all broken away like it is will be the 
easier to access to the valves.  Yipee!  :-)

   I have never seen a Novo engine up close before so I do not know, but...  
does the round top of the water hopper unbolt from the rest of the engine?  
This engine I have is missing the top part of the water hopper.   This seems 
different to a Novo too as all the pictures of Novo's I have seen look like 
the top of the water hopper is cast right in.  My engine seems more like 
this picture of a London I found on Duncan & Sandy Denman's website at the 
"Canadian Show Engine Patch":

http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/page39.html

   Well, that's all I know about this subject for now.  This little gem will 
have to sit on the back-burner for a while anyway as my little 18' x 26' 
garage/shop is currently home to two disassembled antique tractors, eight or 
ten stationary engines, half a kitchen and several bags of little league 
baseball equipment.   It's getting to be a bit of a squeeze - I guess I'd 
better get that darn ball equipment out of there!  :-)

Grant Weir
Saskatoon, SK.
Canada

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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun 14 15:04:23 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:04:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] another favor
In-Reply-To: <20040613.230836.-1932479.4.jenkins.frames@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200406142212.i5EMCruw019147@newidea.atis.net>


> Since he will in California 
> through August and I am in Virginia was wondering if
anyone 
> on the west coast could sugges a few shows or events for
him 
> to attend.  He will be in Oceanside somewhere near San
Deigo.


Art,
Is your buddy in California NOW?  

June 19, 20, 26, 27 is the show in Vista, about 7 miles
inland 
from Oceanside.  He couldn't have picked a better time to
visit.  
The address of the museum is 2040 N. Santa Fe.  
http://www.agsem.com/



=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
www.rustyiron.com 













From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jun 14 15:26:51 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:26:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] another favor
Message-ID: <20040614.152652.864.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Arthur.
I don't know of any shows at that time, but if he is in Oceanside he
should go to the Antique Gas & Steam Engine Museum in Vista.  2040 N.
Santa Fe Avenue 92083.  Phone 760-941-1791.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA


> Have a favor to ask of the list 
> I have a young friend that I have taken to a few engine typ shows, 
> he has
> enjoyed himself.  Since he will in California through August and I 
> am in
> Virginia was wondering if anyone on the west coast could sugges a 
> few
> shows or events for him to attend.  He will be in Oceanside 
> somewhere
> near San Deigo.
> Send to me any show dates and locations off list and I will forward 
> them.
> 
> Thanks
> Arthur
> 
> Kohler generator project.


From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu  Mon Jun 14 16:38:58 2004
From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:38:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Vaughan Motor; Mitchell, Lewis, Staver Motor
Message-ID: <ECA98EBA2E42EA47A07249BE0A38E9002C03E3@EMAIL6.bsu.edu>

Hello Colin,
 
I don't know anything about the Vaughan Motor Works but I do have one picture of a Vaughan Motor Works engine/motor, Portland, Oregon on my website.  I took this picture at a show in Indiana in 2002.  
To see it go to
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker/shows/huntington/vaughanmotorworksportlandor.jpg
 
 
 
Regards,
 
Don Siefker
28 Miles SW of Portland, Indiana
http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker
 
 

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Colin M Rush 
	Sent: Mon 6/14/2004 12:55 PM 
	To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com 
	Cc: 
	Subject: [SEL] Vaughan Motor; Mitchell, Lewis, Staver Motor
	
	

	I was visiting an old dredge museum in eastern Oregon last week, and saw
	in the yard there a small motor made by Vaughan Motor Works in Portland,
	Oregon.  Since I live in Portland, I am thinking I would like to find one
	of these.  I find no information on it by doing internet searches, other
	than some photos of a unit at a museum in Australia.  Does anyone have
	any information on one of these, or does anyone have one of these in
	restorable condition that they would be willing to part with? 
	Also, I am going to an auction south of me where there is a motor made by
	Mitchell, Lewis, & Staver, again of Portland, Oregon.  I am looking for
	the same information on that motor, as well as an estimate of what would
	be an acceptable price to bid on it.  It does not run, does not turn, but
	looks to be all there.  It is painted orange, but I do not know if that
	is original or not.  I do not know the model, but the flywheel is about 2
	to 3 feet in diameter, it is a single piston motor, and it has the CI
	water tank on it.
	-Colin Rush
	
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From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Mon Jun 14 19:10:28 2004
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:10:28 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Novo/London pictures
Message-ID: <24.58be43ad.2dffb494@aol.com>

Hi Grant,

Thank you for the great pictures.  

Since you know it will be a while before you can work on your new "Novo" why 
not rig it in an electrolysis bath and let it spend the summer bubbling.  It 
might make a world of difference in getting those pipe plugs out.


Regards,
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, Virginia USA

In a message dated 6/14/2004 5:08:13 PM Central Standard Time, 
weirgrant at hotmail.com writes:

> This little gem will 
> have to sit on the back-burner for a while anyway 



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun 14 22:17:25 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:17:25 -0700
Subject: [SEL] RE: another favor
Message-ID: <200406150525.i5F5Ptuw003021@newidea.atis.net>

 
> Since he will in California
> through August and I am in Virginia was wondering if
anyone on the 
> west coast could sugges a few shows or events for him to
attend.  He 
> will be in Oceanside somewhere near San Deigo.


Art,
Is your buddy in California NOW?  

June 19, 20, 26, 27 is the show in Vista, about 7 miles
inland 
from Oceanside.  He couldn't have picked a better time to
visit.  
The address of the museum is 2040 N. Santa Fe.  
http://www.agsem.com/



=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
www.rustyiron.com 













From bercar at shenhgts.net  Mon Jun 14 20:24:30 2004
From: bercar at shenhgts.net (Bernie)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:24:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] sun engine tester help
In-Reply-To: <ECA98EBA2E42EA47A07249BE0A38E9002C03E3@EMAIL6.bsu.edu>
Message-ID: <ILEPJHGCGMNODDKDIEFACEOKCFAA.bercar@shenhgts.net>

alright, this may be on topic or off topic depending on how you look at it.

Im looking for schematics and calibration data for a sun electric engine tester model 1120. This unit was made in the late 60's

Problem is i cant find any.  I was wondering if anyone on the list came across anything like this before.  

Either that or does anyone know someone who works for Snap-On, sun electric, or EquiServ?????

This unit was made by sun electric, but not to long ago snap-on bought them out, and EquiServ does the repair work.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Bernie Carter





From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Jun 15 03:53:14 2004
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:53:14 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Vaughan Motor; Mitchell, Lewis, Staver Motor
Message-ID: <061520041053.14008.4754@mchsi.com>

Collin,
Very much interested in the engine made by Mitchell, Lewis & Staver since Ive 
been doing much research on Stover engines and have records showing large 
amounts of engines sold to them in early 1900's.  That company was a big 
exporter of Stover/Cooper badged engines sent to Australia.  If you could 
contact me off list I would greatly appreciate it.
thankyou in advance,
Curt Andree
> I was visiting an old dredge museum in eastern Oregon last week, and saw
> in the yard there a small motor made by Vaughan Motor Works in Portland,
> Oregon.  Since I live in Portland, I am thinking I would like to find one
> of these.  I find no information on it by doing internet searches, other
> than some photos of a unit at a museum in Australia.  Does anyone have
> any information on one of these, or does anyone have one of these in
> restorable condition that they would be willing to part with?  
> Also, I am going to an auction south of me where there is a motor made by
> Mitchell, Lewis, & Staver, again of Portland, Oregon.  I am looking for
> the same information on that motor, as well as an estimate of what would
> be an acceptable price to bid on it.  It does not run, does not turn, but
> looks to be all there.  It is painted orange, but I do not know if that
> is original or not.  I do not know the model, but the flywheel is about 2
> to 3 feet in diameter, it is a single piston motor, and it has the CI
> water tank on it.
> -Colin Rush
> 
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jun 15 04:45:14 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 07:45:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] RE: What's the Horsepower?  (Bessemer half-breed)
References: <200406140033.i5E0Xbuw021366@newidea.atis.net>
Message-ID: <028701c452ce$3967c8a0$0400a8c0@Dave>

> P.S.
> C'mon, spill the beans!  
> How did the flywheel pull go today?

Hi Rob, I have information that the HP of Arnie's Bessemer is still ZERO!
    Dave


From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Jun 15 04:56:18 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 07:56:18 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Novo/London pictures
Message-ID: <b4.2d4c86c8.2e003de2@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/14/2004 6:08:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
weirgrant at hotmail.com writes:

<<  It's getting to be a bit of a squeeze - I guess I'd 
 better get that darn ball equipment out of there! >>

Grant,

NO! NO!  The only proper thing to do to solve this problem, it to add on to 
the sheds to provide more space for dismantled old iron!!  Nice project engine 
and looks like a Novo clone.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jenkins.frames at juno.com  Tue Jun 15 05:18:29 2004
From: jenkins.frames at juno.com (Arthur r Jenkins)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 08:18:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] another favor
Message-ID: <20040615.090618.-2077185.26.jenkins.frames@juno.com>

Ron

Thank you
I will forward the information

Arthur


On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:26:51 -0700 rdhaskell at juno.com writes:
> Hi Arthur.
> I don't know of any shows at that time, but if he is in Oceanside 
> he
> should go to the Antique Gas & Steam Engine Museum in Vista.  2040 
> N.
> Santa Fe Avenue 92083.  Phone 760-941-1791.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> 
> 
> > Have a favor to ask of the list 
> > I have a young friend that I have taken to a few engine typ shows, 
> 
> > he has
> > enjoyed himself.  Since he will in California through August and I 
> 
> > am in
> > Virginia was wondering if anyone on the west coast could sugges a 
> 
> > few
> > shows or events for him to attend.  He will be in Oceanside 
> > somewhere
> > near San Deigo.
> > Send to me any show dates and locations off list and I will 
> forward 
> > them.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Arthur
> > 
> > Kohler generator project.
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From jenkins.frames at juno.com  Tue Jun 15 05:27:12 2004
From: jenkins.frames at juno.com (Arthur r Jenkins)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 08:27:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] another favor
Message-ID: <20040615.090618.-2077185.30.jenkins.frames@juno.com>

Rob

Yes he is there NOW.
I have forwarded the information.  Let's hope he can go.

Arthur


On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:04:23 -0700 "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
writes:
> 
> > Since he will in California 
> > through August and I am in Virginia was wondering if
> anyone 
> > on the west coast could sugges a few shows or events for
> him 
> > to attend.  He will be in Oceanside somewhere near San
> Deigo.
> 
> 
> Art,
> Is your buddy in California NOW?  
> 
> June 19, 20, 26, 27 is the show in Vista, about 7 miles
> inland 
> from Oceanside.  He couldn't have picked a better time to
> visit.  
> The address of the museum is 2040 N. Santa Fe.  
> http://www.agsem.com/
> 
> 
> 
> =-=-=-=-=-=
> Rob Skinner
> La Habra, California
> www.rustyiron.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun 15 05:59:44 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 08:59:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] RE: What's the Horsepower?  (Bessemer half-breed)
In-Reply-To: <028701c452ce$3967c8a0$0400a8c0@Dave>
References: <200406140033.i5E0Xbuw021366@newidea.atis.net>
	<028701c452ce$3967c8a0$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406150857010.94538@vegeta.city-net.com>

ROFLMAO!!!!  Cheeky sod!!  Tomorrow we drag Bessie up to Coolspring.
Hopefully being surrounded by all those other half-breeds will inspire her
to make some noise of her own.  Time will tell...  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 15 Jun 2004, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> > P.S.
> > C'mon, spill the beans!
> > How did the flywheel pull go today?
>
> Hi Rob, I have information that the HP of Arnie's Bessemer is still ZERO!
>     Dave


From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Tue Jun 15 06:18:00 2004
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:18:00 +0100
Subject: [SEL] RE: What's the Horsepower?  (Bessemer half-breed)
References: <200406140033.i5E0Xbuw021366@newidea.atis.net>
	<028701c452ce$3967c8a0$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <40CEF708.D0FEFA93@insulate.co.uk>

And I've got a MAYTAG which runs better than that!

Dolly

Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Hi Rob, I have information that the HP of Arnie's Bessemer is still ZERO!
>

--
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk




From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jun 15 07:42:21 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:42:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] RE: What's the Horsepower?  (Bessemer half-breed)
References: <200406140033.i5E0Xbuw021366@newidea.atis.net><028701c452ce$3967c8a0$0400a8c0@Dave>
	<40CEF708.D0FEFA93@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <03cd01c452e6$f794db20$0400a8c0@Dave>

That's NOT NICE!
    Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim French" <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: What's the Horsepower? (Bessemer half-breed)


> And I've got a MAYTAG which runs better than that!
>
> Dolly
>
> Dave Rotigel wrote:
>
> > Hi Rob, I have information that the HP of Arnie's Bessemer is still
ZERO!
> >
>
> --
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
>
>
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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Tue Jun 15 08:40:12 2004
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 16:40:12 +0100
Subject: [SEL] RE: What's the Horsepower?  (Bessemer half-breed)
References: <200406140033.i5E0Xbuw021366@newidea.atis.net><028701c452ce$3967c8a0$0400a8c0@Dave>
	<40CEF708.D0FEFA93@insulate.co.uk>
	<03cd01c452e6$f794db20$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <40CF185C.E3977F41@insulate.co.uk>



Dave Rotigel wrote:

> That's NOT NICE!

But true!

Dolly

--
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fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun 15 08:36:37 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:36:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Bessemer Half-Breed Patent Number
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406151134170.94538@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Does anyone happen to have handy the patent number for the Bessemer
half-breed?  I have the damn thing at home and THOUGHT I also had it here
at work.

If you don't have it handy, I can get it tonight.  Thanks.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From hugh.stannard at ntlworld.com  Tue Jun 15 10:24:41 2004
From: hugh.stannard at ntlworld.com (Hugh Stannard)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:24:41 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] British Engine show Rules / now waste of space
References: <000501c4520b$e2b5ce20$0101a8c0@nemesis>
Message-ID: <40CF30D9.000005.89063@DEFAULT>

On a different slant to this post, at English rallies the stationary engines
are usually the poor relation and as such, only get a small site on the
rally field and are usually cramped up in a compound. As a regular rally
attender I accept this fact and generally help out the engine marshalls by
keeping close up to the next exhibitor leaving enough space to get all the
other engine exhibitors into the allowed space. But there seem to be an
increasing number of so called "engine enthusiasts" who selfishly arrive
early and set up camp with numerous cars, caravans complete with awning for
one small (usually the cheapest) engine on the market and take up massive
amounts of room and then generally leave it alone all day and not even
attempt to run it. What we term as ticket engines. A way to get into the
rally for free!!

See http://community.webshots.com/album/152913114ivvZBy for an example. I am
going to take more photos during my rounds this season and put them in my
hall of shame. Is this just typical in England or do any other countries
suffer these selfish people? Maybe some-one with an engine related website
would like to host this "Hall of Shame"? Then we could all contribute
photographs of our experiences?

Lets see if this sparks off some comments!!

Regards,

Hugh Stannard,
Rushden, England.

 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: The SEL email discussion list
Date: 06/15/04 02:19:31
To: atis
Cc: oldengine
Subject: [SEL] British Engine show Rules
 
We have frequently discussed the different rules & ways of running an Engine
show
in our various countries.
I have posted the rules for our biggest engine show at
http://community.webshots.com/photo/152558084/152558982eXTBkD
(View full size to read)
Does anyone have a rules sheet from their own show for comparison?
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun 15 11:02:59 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:02:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] British Engine show Rules / now waste of space
In-Reply-To: <40CF30D9.000005.89063@DEFAULT>
References: <000501c4520b$e2b5ce20$0101a8c0@nemesis>
	<40CF30D9.000005.89063@DEFAULT>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406151356180.94538@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Hugh,

In the states show organizers simply wouldn't allow all that "empty green"
to go to waste.  They'd direct later arrivals to setup in that area and
fill it in.  Why don't the engine stewards do the same at English rallys?

It's also not the norm to have the campers (caravans) setup with the
engines.  Some shows do, but most have the campers in a different area.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 15 Jun 2004, Hugh Stannard wrote:

> On a different slant to this post, at English rallies the stationary engines
> are usually the poor relation and as such, only get a small site on the
> rally field and are usually cramped up in a compound. As a regular rally
> attender I accept this fact and generally help out the engine marshalls by
> keeping close up to the next exhibitor leaving enough space to get all the
> other engine exhibitors into the allowed space. But there seem to be an
> increasing number of so called "engine enthusiasts" who selfishly arrive
> early and set up camp with numerous cars, caravans complete with awning for
> one small (usually the cheapest) engine on the market and take up massive
> amounts of room and then generally leave it alone all day and not even
> attempt to run it. What we term as ticket engines. A way to get into the
> rally for free!!
>
> See http://community.webshots.com/album/152913114ivvZBy for an example.


From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Jun 15 13:04:10 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 16:04:10 EDT
Subject: [SEL] British Engine show Rules / now waste of space
Message-ID: <19a.25c975cd.2e00b03a@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/15/2004 2:18:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:

<< In the states show organizers simply wouldn't allow all that "empty green"
 to go to waste.  They'd direct later arrivals to setup in that area and
 fill it in. >>


Hugh,

Arnie is correct.  In your photo, the cars between the tent and camper would 
have been asked to move and allow another displayer to set up.  Two shows that 
I know of that allow campers and displays in the same area are Coolsprings, 
Pa., and Denton, NC., but they pack them in tight!  In the case of Denton, I do 
mean tight!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From hugh.stannard at ntlworld.com  Tue Jun 15 13:45:31 2004
From: hugh.stannard at ntlworld.com (Hugh Stannard)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 21:45:31 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] British Engine show Rules / now waste of space
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406151356180.94538@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <40CF5FEB.000007.89063@DEFAULT>

 Hi Arnie,

These guys usually turn up before an engine steward arrives. They set up and
take up all the room they like. The engine stewards are all volunteers, and
they are there to enjoy the weekend not have confrontations with stroppy 
engine enthusiasts" who dig their heels in when told to move their excess
stuff so 9 times out 10 the engine steward will not bother trying to get
them to move. When the other engine folk arrive there is no room to put
their camping equipment behind the engine so they squeeze in where there is
a gap. The majority of the rallies over here have camping behind your engine


Regards,

Hugh.
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: The SEL email discussion list
Date: 06/15/04 19:56:14
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] British Engine show Rules / now waste of space
 
Hi Hugh,
 
In the states show organizers simply wouldn't allow all that "empty green"
to go to waste. They'd direct later arrivals to setup in that area and
fill it in. Why don't the engine stewards do the same at English rallys?
 
It's also not the norm to have the campers (caravans) setup with the
engines. Some shows do, but most have the campers in a different area.
 
See ya, Arnie
 
Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com
 
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004, Hugh Stannard wrote:
 
> On a different slant to this post, at English rallies the stationary
engines
> are usually the poor relation and as such, only get a small site on the
> rally field and are usually cramped up in a compound. As a regular rally
> attender I accept this fact and generally help out the engine marshalls by
> keeping close up to the next exhibitor leaving enough space to get all the
> other engine exhibitors into the allowed space. But there seem to be an
> increasing number of so called "engine enthusiasts" who selfishly arrive
> early and set up camp with numerous cars, caravans complete with awning
for
> one small (usually the cheapest) engine on the market and take up massive
> amounts of room and then generally leave it alone all day and not even
> attempt to run it. What we term as ticket engines. A way to get into the
> rally for free!!
>
> See http://community.webshots.com/album/152913114ivvZBy for an example.
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From BillMil357 at aol.com  Tue Jun 15 14:08:19 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:08:19 EDT
Subject: [SEL] 2004 SIAM pictures.
Message-ID: <1db.2409e255.2e00bf43@aol.com>

Hey List Members,

Click below and you can see the SIAM pictures I put on Webshots, be nice to 
me for this is the first time I have put any pictures up here. There are 2 
pages of them.

http://community.webshots.com/user/billmil357

Thanks,

Bill Miller.


From andyglines at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 15 14:05:37 2004
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:05:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] RE Lauson parts
Message-ID: <BAY19-F13VwcdZ06YO40003a9b2@hotmail.com>

try John Smith
jks at frontiernet.net

>    3. Lauson gaskets needed (Bill Dickerson)
>Message: 3
>Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:35:31 -0500
>From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Lauson gaskets needed
>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'"
>	<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <000001c4523e$699cf300$32a8a8c0 at LOFFICE>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
>Air cooled from 40's or 50's.
>55AB-609
>5172328
>
>The little green one about 1 horse or so as used on reel mowers, etc.
>Need all gaskets.
>The local dudes can't even look 'em up any more, and simply don't want to
>try.
>
>Bill
>Sunny hot and wet Iowa
>
>

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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Tue Jun 15 14:54:23 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:54:23 +0200
Subject: [SEL] 2004 SIAM pictures.
References: <1db.2409e255.2e00bf43@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c45323$520cd530$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Thanks for sharing the pics Bill, saw  the well known SEL
members and they all look good, there engines too.
Didn't know Dave sells Maytag skids for extra pocket money :o)

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl



> Hey List Members,
> 
> Click below and you can see the SIAM pictures I put on Webshots, be nice to 
> me for this is the first time I have put any pictures up here. There are 2 
> pages of them.
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/user/billmil357
> 
> Thanks,
> Bill Miller.




From BillMil357 at aol.com  Tue Jun 15 15:13:20 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:13:20 EDT
Subject: [SEL] 2004 SIAM Pictures with easier to use Web addresss
Message-ID: <4e.2cf65385.2e00ce80@aol.com>

Hey List Members,

Click below and you can see the SIAM pictures I put on Webshots, be nice to 
me for this is the first time I have put any pictures up here. There are 2 
Pages of them.

This Web address will be easier to use.

http://community.webshots.com/user/billmil357

Thanks,

Bill Miller.


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun 15 15:30:24 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:30:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] British Engine show Rules / now waste of space
In-Reply-To: <40CF5FEB.000007.89063@DEFAULT>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406151356180.94538@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<40CF5FEB.000007.89063@DEFAULT>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406151749290.97352@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Hugh,

Huh.  On this side of the pond the "engine stewards" are also volunteers
who like to enjoy the show.  However when some stroppy asshole needs to be
sorted out and shown the error of his ways, the old adage "there's
strength in numbers" enters the picture.  The engine steward would return
to "reason" with the bloke accompanied by a number of large engine
friends.  Somewhere there's a pic of Dolly with Leroy, Ted, and Rick Monk
that shows you that "size matters."

Even lacking engine stewards who have balls, the other engine folks who
needed a place to set up their display would soon fill in all that open
space.  If the goofball who was trying to hog all the open green space had
a problem with that he would either be told to piss off or take it to the
head of the show.

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 15 Jun 2004, Hugh Stannard wrote:

> These guys usually turn up before an engine steward arrives. They set up and
> take up all the room they like. The engine stewards are all volunteers, and
> they are there to enjoy the weekend not have confrontations with stroppy
> engine enthusiasts" who dig their heels in when told to move their excess
> stuff so 9 times out 10 the engine steward will not bother trying to get
> them to move. When the other engine folk arrive there is no room to put
> their camping equipment behind the engine so they squeeze in where there is
> a gap. The majority of the rallies over here have camping behind your engine


From kerogas at the-i.net  Tue Jun 15 15:55:17 2004
From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:55:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: diesel exhaust smell
Message-ID: <007501c4532b$d40c6de0$be02fea9@oemcomputer>

What does peanut oil smell like .
Rudy did his original experiments with that 



From kerogas at the-i.net  Tue Jun 15 15:59:15 2004
From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:59:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] British Engine show Rules / now waste of space
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406151356180.94538@vegeta.city-net.com><40CF5FEB.000007.89063@DEFAULT>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406151749290.97352@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <009b01c4532c$63474ca0$be02fea9@oemcomputer>

 engine folks who
> needed a place to set up their display would soon fill in all that open
> space.  If the goofball who was trying to hog all the open green space had
> a problem with that he would either be told to piss off or take it to the
> head of the show.


I have rolled right up under that empty canopy ,  stabbed a  lawnchair in
the ground
gas up and plunk down  in the shade . Maybe its my personality but I never
 caught any crap from a  goofball . SHade yes , crap no .  Communal living !



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jun 15 16:11:51 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:11:51 +0100
Subject: [SEL] 2004 SIAM pictures.
References: <1db.2409e255.2e00bf43@aol.com>
	<001b01c45323$520cd530$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <000801c4532e$24588ac0$0101a8c0@nemesis>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 2004 SIAM pictures.


> Thanks for sharing the pics Bill, saw  the well known SEL
> members and they all look good, there engines too.
> Didn't know Dave sells Maytag skids for extra pocket money :o)
> John Hammink

Hey John, I was just doing the artwork for that one & you beat me to it!
Dave Croft
Warrington
England



From alanb2 at webtv.net  Tue Jun 15 17:23:36 2004
From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:23:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] British Engine show Rules / now waste of space
In-Reply-To: "Hugh Stannard" <hugh.stannard@ntlworld.com>'s message of Tue,
	15 Jun 2004 18:24:41 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Message-ID: <22112-40CF9308-1120@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net>

Hi Hugh,

At the Buckley, Michigan U.S. of A. show last year there was a very long
motor home taking up a lot of space and all we ever saw was a little mid
40s Briggs & Stratton sitting in front of it.

If it shows up again his year I am thinking about gathering up a group
of guys and drawing straws to see who paints that Briggs pink and tapes
a sign to the door that says something like "Space Hog," on it.

Alan Bowen

~~~~Hugh?Stannard wrote~~~

On a different slant to this post, at English rallies the stationary
engines are usually the poor relation and as such, only get a small site
on the rally field and are usually cramped up in a compound. As a
regular rally attender I accept this fact and generally help out the
engine marshalls by keeping close up to the next exhibitor leaving
enough space to get all the other engine exhibitors into the allowed
space. But there seem to be an increasing number of so called "engine
enthusiasts" who selfishly arrive early and set up camp with numerous
cars, caravans complete with awning for one small (usually the cheapest)
engine on the market and take up massive amounts of room and then
generally leave it alone all day and not even attempt to run it. What we
term as ticket engines. A way to get into the rally for free!! 
See http://community.webshots.com/album/152913114ivvZBy
 for an example. I am going to take more photos during my rounds this
season and put them in my hall of shame. Is this just typical in England
or do any other countries suffer these selfish people? Maybe some-one
with an engine related website would like to host this "Hall of Shame"?
Then we could all contribute photographs of our experiences? 
Lets see if this sparks off some comments!! 
Regards, 
Hugh Stannard,
Rushden, England. 




From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Jun 15 18:33:19 2004
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 1:33:19 +0000
Subject: [SEL] 2004 SIAM pictures.
Message-ID: <36u636$q5hun@mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net>


Good job on the engine pictures Bill. How's the Powerstroke working out?
J.B. Castagnos



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Jun 15 19:17:44 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 22:17:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: diesel exhaust smell
In-Reply-To: <007501c4532b$d40c6de0$be02fea9@oemcomputer>
References: <007501c4532b$d40c6de0$be02fea9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <5A6B0152-BF3B-11D8-A875-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Not his original experiments (which were done with gasoline), but he 
did use peanut and other oils.

On Jun 15, 2004, at 6:55 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote:

> What does peanut oil smell like .
> Rudy did his original experiments with that

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From ELIDAS at aol.com  Tue Jun 15 19:47:08 2004
From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 22:47:08 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring
Message-ID: <99.4845fd23.2e010eac@aol.com>

   I've found that I can make Coolspring this year. Where is the list group 
located? Think there will be any room for a small camper Friday morning?
 Mike Semanoff
 Waterbury Ct


From BillMil357 at aol.com  Tue Jun 15 20:35:02 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:35:02 EDT
Subject: [SEL] 2004 SIAM pictures.
Message-ID: <1cf.239d9710.2e0119e6@aol.com>

Hey JB.

Thanks on the pictures, my Powerstroke engine is running fine since I put in 
the IPR O-ring kit, but the E40d tranny is giving me a little trouble, the 
Overdrive light comes on once in a while, I don't know if it is the Tranny or 
Tork converter. I have a friend that has some EASE diagnostic software and I am 
going to get him to check it for any codes. I drove my 1985 IDI diesel up in 
IN. to the engine show over the weekend and she run like a charm, that is the 
one I put the new engine in. Have you been doing OK?

See ya.

Bill Miller.


From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jun 15 21:00:14 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:00:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: diesel exhaust smell
In-Reply-To: <5A6B0152-BF3B-11D8-A875-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <002f01c45356$75cae2e0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

We use peanut oil in the WOK. It's a neutral sort of smell to me.......

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:18 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: diesel exhaust smell


Not his original experiments (which were done with gasoline), but he 
did use peanut and other oils.

On Jun 15, 2004, at 6:55 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote:

> What does peanut oil smell like .
> Rudy did his original experiments with that

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA

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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jun 15 21:12:12 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:12:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring
References: <99.4845fd23.2e010eac@aol.com>
Message-ID: <03ee01c45358$199be0d0$0400a8c0@Dave>

Should be enough room Mike. I set the List space up earlier today. We are in
row 2 at the end near the trees. Arnie and I should be there Friday by 9:00
or so. Ask Jake Faith if you have any questions.
    Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ELIDAS at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:47 PM
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring


>    I've found that I can make Coolspring this year. Where is the list
group
> located? Think there will be any room for a small camper Friday morning?
>  Mike Semanoff
>  Waterbury Ct
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Jun 16 00:48:43 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:48:43 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 2004 SIAM pictures.
In-Reply-To: <1db.2409e255.2e00bf43@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200406160757.i5G7vAOK002509@newidea.atis.net>

Nice pictures Bill. A nice display of engines. How come Dave always seems to
have a drink in his hand? I hope it was beer ;)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----
Hey List Members,

Click below and you can see the SIAM pictures I put on Webshots, be nice to 
me for this is the first time I have put any pictures up here. There are 2 
pages of them.

http://community.webshots.com/user/billmil357

Thanks,

Bill Miller.




From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Wed Jun 16 06:28:44 2004
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:28:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Novo/London pictures
References: <BAY14-F13e7vAtmOzLT0008e33a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <40D04B0B.BDE97165@wightman.ca>

Hi Grant,

London engines that I have seen have different casting numbers than found on Novo engines. On the connecting rod on my
London, there is a maple leaf cast into the rod.
I will check out mine when I get back. I am leaving for Georgia this afternoon for my sister's wedding and should be back
around by Monday. I will check when I get back.

Duncan

Grant Weir wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>    I finally got some pictures taken of my new treasure:
>
> http://groups.msn.com/GrantsOldTractorGoodies/newengine.msnw?albumlist=2
>
>    From the info Arnie sent me (thanks!), it looks like it is a 3HP Novo
> engine.  If it is not a Novo, then it is some form of knock-off thereof.
> One thing I am sure of is that it is very heavy - this thing will need a
> cart very soon! :-)
>
>    I did manage to find the serial number - stamped plain-as-day on the
> bottom edge of the water hopper is "C5967" and also on one end of the
> crankshaft is stamped "5967" - neat!   This number does not jive with any
> Novo serial number lists I found on the net.  Something else that is a bit
> different is is that the valves are not housed in "cages" like the Novo
> brochure shows, but are actually more "normal" in that the seats are built
> right into the cylinder casting.  Less "normal" is the fact that the only
> way to access them is through two big threaded holes into the top of the
> combustion chamber way down in the water hopper.  The threaded holes are
> plugged with big ugly taper-threaded, NPT-looking plug-things.  They look
> well sealed now, but I'll bet their a real hassle to get "re-sealed" once
> I've removed them for valve repair.  Part of the fun I guess.  One positive
> point to the water hopper being all broken away like it is will be the
> easier to access to the valves.  Yipee!  :-)
>
>    I have never seen a Novo engine up close before so I do not know, but...
> does the round top of the water hopper unbolt from the rest of the engine?
> This engine I have is missing the top part of the water hopper.   This seems
> different to a Novo too as all the pictures of Novo's I have seen look like
> the top of the water hopper is cast right in.  My engine seems more like
> this picture of a London I found on Duncan & Sandy Denman's website at the
> "Canadian Show Engine Patch":
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/page39.html
>
>    Well, that's all I know about this subject for now.  This little gem will
> have to sit on the back-burner for a while anyway as my little 18' x 26'
> garage/shop is currently home to two disassembled antique tractors, eight or
> ten stationary engines, half a kitchen and several bags of little league
> baseball equipment.   It's getting to be a bit of a squeeze - I guess I'd
> better get that darn ball equipment out of there!  :-)
>
> Grant Weir
> Saskatoon, SK.
> Canada
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jun 16 04:46:22 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:46:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 2004 SIAM Pictures with easier to use Web addresss
References: <4e.2cf65385.2e00ce80@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV68QVuRWCy7r0001dc9f@hotmail.com>

Great job, Bill!!  Jus put 'er on slideshow and sat back with a cup of java 
and enjoyed immensely!!
  Thank you and atta boys to you all!

later,
RickinMt with a partially crashed 'puter.





> This Web address will be easier to use.
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/billmil357
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Miller.
> _______________________________________________ 


From klbandy at dtccom.net  Wed Jun 16 10:01:56 2004
From: klbandy at dtccom.net (klbandy at dtccom.net)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:01:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Franklin, TN show this weekend
Message-ID: <245480-22004631617156798@M2W033.mail2web.com>

Anyone have info on the show at Franklin.  I've forgotten the exact
location.  I was told earlier, but you know how it goes...

Thanks.

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From christison at coastalnet.com  Wed Jun 16 10:44:37 2004
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:44:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Franklin, TN show this weekend
References: <245480-22004631617156798@M2W033.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <002801c453c9$9949d0a0$0100a8c0@mshome.net>

Kevin,

Check this page: http://tinyurl.com/23ma2

Take care.

Ken
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From: <klbandy at dtccom.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:01 PM
Subject: [SEL] Franklin, TN show this weekend


> Anyone have info on the show at Franklin.  I've forgotten the exact
> location.  I was told earlier, but you know how it goes...
> 
> Thanks.



From klbandy at dtccom.net  Wed Jun 16 15:42:50 2004
From: klbandy at dtccom.net (Kevin Bandy)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:42:50 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Franklin, TN show this weekend
Message-ID: <000601c453f3$41b425a0$01f76b0c@kevin>

Thanks for the info!  Exactly what I needed.

Kevin

From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us  Wed Jun 16 14:37:32 2004
From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:37:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SIAM Pics
Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A72022CB@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>

Bill,

Great pictures! Thanks for making the available for us. First time or not, you done good!!

Bruce Younger
Lenexa, Kansas USA
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 17 05:23:44 2004
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:23:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need muffler picked up @ Cool Spring
Message-ID: <BAY12-F113G6A5ISwoR0006856c@hotmail.com>




>If any one has contact with the SEL group at Cool Spring, would you please 
>relay to Curt Holland  that Dave Deardorf  possibly has a muffler for me I 
>would like transported home to N.C. Thanks, I wish I were there instead of 
>here at work! Steve Royster

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From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Thu Jun 17 06:54:33 2004
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:54:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need muffler picked up @ Cool Spring
In-Reply-To: <BAY12-F113G6A5ISwoR0006856c@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY12-F113G6A5ISwoR0006856c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040617085357.02c0b160@mail.herculesengines.com>

I'm heading out this afternoon and will be there tomorrow.  I'll let Curt know.
Keith


At 07:23 AM 6/17/2004, you wrote:



>>If any one has contact with the SEL group at Cool Spring, would you 
>>please relay to Curt Holland  that Dave Deardorf  possibly has a muffler 
>>for me I would like transported home to N.C. Thanks, I wish I were there 
>>instead of here at work! Steve Royster
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Jun 18 05:56:14 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 06:56:14 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Aaarrghh
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV90PYz1NHZVU0002019d@hotmail.com>

I'm dying!!!! Where's my mornin' FIX?????

  On a lighter note,, I found a magnet recharger made by Allen...purdy 
healthy little unit.

Headed for the Webster..

RickinMt.

http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 


From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 17 10:33:26 2004
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:33:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need muffler picked up @ Cool Spring
Message-ID: <BAY12-F109JUOjQFONR00068e5f@hotmail.com>

Thank you Keith, I think my brother told him about it berore your show last 
weekend but I'm just double checking. I appreciate your help  and I'll miss 
you guys this year at C S. See you at Portland, Thanks again, Steve


>From: Keith Kinney <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
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>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Need muffler picked up @ Cool Spring
>Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:54:33 -0500
>
>I'm heading out this afternoon and will be there tomorrow.  I'll let Curt 
>know.
>Keith
>
>
>At 07:23 AM 6/17/2004, you wrote:
>
>
>
>>>If any one has contact with the SEL group at Cool Spring, would you 
>>>please relay to Curt Holland  that Dave Deardorf  possibly has a muffler 
>>>for me I would like transported home to N.C. Thanks, I wish I were there 
>>>instead of here at work! Steve Royster
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From asouth at strato.net  Thu Jun 17 19:35:12 2004
From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:35:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] British Engine show Rules / now waste of space
References: <19a.25c975cd.2e00b03a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00fb01c454dc$e2280b70$8700a8c0@ARTHUR>

Hugh,

Arnie is correct.  In your photo, the cars between the tent and camper would 
have been asked to move and allow another displayer to set up.  Two shows that 
I know of that allow campers and displays in the same area are Coolsprings, 
Pa., and Denton, NC., but they pack them in tight!  In the case of Denton, I do 
mean tight!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


Zolfo Springs Fla. Pioneer Park Days  allows camping with engines. Fla. Flywheelers , Ft. Meade Fla., allow camping with the engines. 

My 2 cents.

Arthur Southwell
Arcadia, FL  USA
asouth at strato.net

From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jun 19 01:43:42 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 18:43:42 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Stover YB/YC Parts
Message-ID: <200406191951.i5JJosdD022862@newidea.atis.net>

I am getting some Stover YB/YC parts cast this week. Both the upper and
lower exhaust rockers and the speed control parts. If anyone needs these let
me know soon and I will at to the order.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From BillMil357 at aol.com  Sun Jun 20 18:22:16 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:22:16 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Electrical Problem, Way-Way-Way OT.
Message-ID: <d5.f95ebea.2e079248@aol.com>

Hey Guy's and Gal's;

I know there are some good electrician's and electrical Engineers on this 
list and Your OLE engine buddy has a problem I have some electric light dimmer 
controls on lights down at my church and they are made by Hunter Electronics, 
Dallas, Texas and I was wondering if any of you had worked on these controls or 
would have a wiring diagram for them, The top control number is MC 50 and the 
bottom control number is PC 20 LR. This set of lights would only burn about 
half brightness, and when I would turn the rheostat one place the lights got a 
little brighter and I could hear the pot humming, like arcing so I put a jumper 
wire across from the center terminal to one outside terminal and the lights 
got good and bright, and there is another rheostat on the same shaft that has 
never been used, how can I determine if it is the right size to work if I 
switch my wires over to it, this rheostat just had 3 wires run over to the terminal 
board and ended there. These controls are about 35 years old and Hunter Is no 
longer in business and the controls just look brand new when you take the 
covers off and no burned wires or anything, I would sure like to have a wiring 
diag. and some technical help. I have several pictures on my Webshots page that 
will give you a lot better idea of what is going on. I will also list my 
E-mail address so you can write off list.

http://community.webshots.com/user/billmil357

Thanks,

Bill Miller.
billmil357 at aol.com


From syost at triad.rr.com  Sun Jun 20 18:59:49 2004
From: syost at triad.rr.com (Spencer Yost)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:59:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] System Outage
Message-ID: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com>

The note I sent last Thursday about the new ATIS system and an update to my
professional situation was sent literally less than an hour before the
server that ran ATIS lost the only drive (boot drive) that wasn't on a RAID
array.   The ATIS server was sold as part of my business last month with
the clause in the business separation agreement that Piedmont Systems
continue to host ATIS until the end of June.  Fortunately I was called in
to consult with them and help restore the server.   Found out they had no
backups after I left )-;

Long story short:   A couple of long days with a Partition and MBR editing
utility saved the data but not the drive.   The old system came backup
yesterday.   But since I was no longer going to trust the old server and
the care and administration it was getting I went ahead and initiated the
changes to DNS last Friday to start the switch to the new equipment.   That
is why still tonight some people are having trouble.  DNS is still
propagating.  Thanks God the folks at Road Runner came early for me.   They
weren't supposed to install my business class service until Saturday.  This
saved us quite a bit of time.   At least ATIS will be back up, mostly, by
tomorrow morning.

Thanks for your patience and more to come later,

PS  The OFES, Ford-Ferguson, and Steam-engine lists are still down as are
several web based utilities at ATIS.   I will continue to work to restore
services without stop or break

PSS  Happy Father's day to all the father's out there!


Spencer



From pmaples at anaxis.net  Sun Jun 20 19:58:16 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:58:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] System Outage
References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com>
Message-ID: <009701c4573b$9cb7ba70$ccf70cd1@VAIO>

Thanks Spencer for all of your dedication and hard work to keep the SEL up
an running, I cannot even fathom what this all involves but know it exceeds
my capabilities so I am grateful for someone such as you whose
professionalism and commitment is second to none.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Spencer Yost" <syost at triad.rr.com>
To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
<farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com>;
<antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 8:59 PM
Subject: [SEL] System Outage


> The note I sent last Thursday about the new ATIS system and an update to
my
> professional situation was sent literally less than an hour before the
> server that ran ATIS lost the only drive (boot drive) that wasn't on a
RAID
> array.   The ATIS server was sold as part of my business last month with
> the clause in the business separation agreement that Piedmont Systems
> continue to host ATIS until the end of June.  Fortunately I was called in
> to consult with them and help restore the server.   Found out they had no
> backups after I left )-;
>
> Long story short:   A couple of long days with a Partition and MBR editing
> utility saved the data but not the drive.   The old system came backup
> yesterday.   But since I was no longer going to trust the old server and
> the care and administration it was getting I went ahead and initiated the
> changes to DNS last Friday to start the switch to the new equipment.
That
> is why still tonight some people are having trouble.  DNS is still
> propagating.  Thanks God the folks at Road Runner came early for me.
They
> weren't supposed to install my business class service until Saturday.
This
> saved us quite a bit of time.   At least ATIS will be back up, mostly, by
> tomorrow morning.
>
> Thanks for your patience and more to come later,
>
> PS  The OFES, Ford-Ferguson, and Steam-engine lists are still down as are
> several web based utilities at ATIS.   I will continue to work to restore
> services without stop or break
>
> PSS  Happy Father's day to all the father's out there!
>
>
> Spencer
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 20 22:31:58 2004
From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:31:58 +1000
Subject: FW: [SEL] System Outage
Message-ID: <BAY2-F75n4BiiCeKJ3L00019dc7@hotmail.com>


Dave,
       Got this today.


Lyndsay





>From: "Spencer Yost" <syost at triad.rr.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com,   
>farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com,   
>antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com
>Subject: [SEL] System Outage
>Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:59:49 -0400
>
>The note I sent last Thursday about the new ATIS system and an update to my
>professional situation was sent literally less than an hour before the
>server that ran ATIS lost the only drive (boot drive) that wasn't on a RAID
>array.   The ATIS server was sold as part of my business last month with
>the clause in the business separation agreement that Piedmont Systems
>continue to host ATIS until the end of June.  Fortunately I was called in
>to consult with them and help restore the server.   Found out they had no
>backups after I left )-;
>
>Long story short:   A couple of long days with a Partition and MBR editing
>utility saved the data but not the drive.   The old system came backup
>yesterday.   But since I was no longer going to trust the old server and
>the care and administration it was getting I went ahead and initiated the
>changes to DNS last Friday to start the switch to the new equipment.   That
>is why still tonight some people are having trouble.  DNS is still
>propagating.  Thanks God the folks at Road Runner came early for me.   They
>weren't supposed to install my business class service until Saturday.  This
>saved us quite a bit of time.   At least ATIS will be back up, mostly, by
>tomorrow morning.
>
>Thanks for your patience and more to come later,
>
>PS  The OFES, Ford-Ferguson, and Steam-engine lists are still down as are
>several web based utilities at ATIS.   I will continue to work to restore
>services without stop or break
>
>PSS  Happy Father's day to all the father's out there!
>
>
>Spencer
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jun 21 00:12:55 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:12:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fw: [Min_Int_Comb_Eng] jay peters/breisch associated
Message-ID: <006d01c4575f$30bb2fe0$05111bd3@athlon>

I got  this from Tom Ball today and felt it needed to be passed on.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: STB440 at aol.com 
To: randmingold at hotkey.net.au 
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 10:40 AM
Subject: Fwd: Fw: [Min_Int_Comb_Eng] jay peters/breisch associated


Hi Reg !

Thought you might be interested in this email that I recieved.

Tom

From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Jun 21 01:04:59 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:04:59 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fw: [Min_Int_Comb_Eng] jay peters/breisch associated
References: <006d01c4575f$30bb2fe0$05111bd3@athlon>
Message-ID: <001f01c45766$73865280$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Hi Reg, what is the message?

John H.


I got  this from Tom Ball today and felt it needed to be passed on.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: STB440 at aol.com 
To: randmingold at hotkey.net.au 
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 10:40 AM
Subject: Fwd: Fw: [Min_Int_Comb_Eng] jay peters/breisch associated


Hi Reg !

Thought you might be interested in this email that I recieved.

Tom




From wmrohrer at myactv.net  Sat Jun 19 03:14:14 2004
From: wmrohrer at myactv.net (Mike Rohrer)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 06:14:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] TEST
Message-ID: <200406211114.i5LBEJXK027253@heavyiron.atis.net>

Is the list down? NO mail the last 2 days

This is just a test.

Mike

 

Mike Rohrer

Smithsburg, Maryland USA

Collector of Antique Farm Literature

Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/

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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Jun 21 04:26:36 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:26:36 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring.
Message-ID: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Wonder how it ended.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Arnie'sBreath.jpg

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl

PS. @ photo by Bill Tremel.




From stait at winsoft.net.au  Mon Jun 21 05:13:29 2004
From: stait at winsoft.net.au (Stait)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:13:29 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test.
Message-ID: <001c01c45789$38069cb0$581131cb@Bear>

Hi all. 
Just a test .



From pmaples at anaxis.net  Mon Jun 21 06:30:25 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:30:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fw: [Min_Int_Comb_Eng] jay peters/breisch associated
References: <006d01c4575f$30bb2fe0$05111bd3@athlon>
Message-ID: <006d01c45793$ec52b9b0$e3f70cd1@VAIO>

Reg there was nothing in the attachment, did you leave out something?

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "List SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 2:12 AM
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fw: [Min_Int_Comb_Eng] jay peters/breisch associated


I got  this from Tom Ball today and felt it needed to be passed on.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: STB440 at aol.com
To: randmingold at hotkey.net.au
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 10:40 AM
Subject: Fwd: Fw: [Min_Int_Comb_Eng] jay peters/breisch associated


Hi Reg !

Thought you might be interested in this email that I recieved.

Tom


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From mickc at vic.australis.com.au  Sun Jun 20 19:10:35 2004
From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Michael Christie)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:10:35 +1000
Subject: [SEL] new photos
Message-ID: <002f01c45734$f3502bd0$5da557ca@andrewiowlw0rj>


G'day All
I have added some more pictures to my webshot page of some engines i have
acquired and finished off in the last 6 months and thought you all might
like to have a look.
   Cheers
        Mick

http://community.webshots.com/album/143394803IRIBri

Mick Christie
Victoria, Australia
mickc at vic.australis.com.au








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From mickc at vic.australis.com.au  Sun Jun 20 19:12:17 2004
From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Michael Christie)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:12:17 +1000
Subject: [SEL] new photos
Message-ID: <004001c45735$2db3d560$5da557ca@andrewiowlw0rj>


 G'day All
 I have added some more pictures to my webshot page of some engines i have
acquired and finished off in the last 6 months and thought you all might
 like to have a look.
    Cheers
        Mick

 http://community.webshots.com/album/143394803IRIBri

 Mick Christie
 Victoria, Australia
 mickc at vic.australis.com.au




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jun 21 07:47:07 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:47:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring.
In-Reply-To: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi John,

Bessie's Coolspring outing was great even if she didn't do more than chuff
a bit.  A large gang (Craig Prucha, Paul Grey, Dallas Cox, Bill Tremel,
and me) all got our morning exercise pulling and tromping the flywheels.
Despite all the creative suggestions and adjustments, the lack of
compression just couldn't be overcome.  Saturday morning I removed the
cylinder and piston and sent those home with Craig.  He'll bore the
cylinder, order new rings, and flame spray the piston if needed.  Next
year she'll be amazing.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, John Hammink wrote:

> Wonder how it ended.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Arnie'sBreath.jpg



From mickc at vic.australis.com.au  Mon Jun 21 01:50:27 2004
From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Michael Christie)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:50:27 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test only
Message-ID: <000e01c4576c$cd75cb30$a9a557ca@andrewiowlw0rj>









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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Mon Jun 21 08:27:45 2004
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:27:45 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring.
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <40D6FE70.AB374410@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Arnie

Arnie Fero wrote:

>   Next
> year she'll be amazing.  8-))

The Yank Returns Again (2002) will be finished, The Yank Returns Yet Again
(2004) will also be complete, and those keen on firearms sports will be
shooting pigs out of the sky from their lawn chairs.

Dolly

PS  See you Wednesday!
--
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fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jun 21 09:12:58 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:12:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring & Beyond...
In-Reply-To: <40D6FE70.AB374410@insulate.co.uk>
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<40D6FE70.AB374410@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211159420.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Dolly,

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Jim French wrote:

> > Arnie Fero wrote:
> > Next year she'll be amazing.  8-))
>
> The Yank Returns Again (2002) will be finished, The Yank Returns Yet Again
> (2004) will also be complete, and those keen on firearms sports will be
> shooting pigs out of the sky from their lawn chairs.

Well since the only remaining key activity for Bessie is in Craig's
capable hands, I think we can take THAT promise to the bank.  8-))

As to TYRA (2002) and TYRYA (2004), there's been a rumour that supplies of
food and beer may be tied to page production rates...  Watch this space
for further developments.

> PS  See you Wednesday!

Bright-eyed, bushy-tailed, and sassy as ever!!  8-)))))

See ya,  Arnie

PS - When shooting flying pigs from a lawn chair does one use #2 shot or
move up to buckshot?  8-))

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com



From mtucker at uky.edu  Mon Jun 21 09:13:09 2004
From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:13:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring. NOW: Cylinder boring
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <p06020403bcfcb6b90b7f@[128.163.81.76]>

>  He'll bore the cylinder, order new rings, and flame spray the 
>piston if needed.

I didn't realize that NOT putting in an oversized piston in when you 
bored the cylinder was an option.  Does it depend on how much (or 
little, in this case) that you bore the cylinder before you decide 
what to do with the piston?  I thought that if you bored the cylinder 
and left the original piston you would get a fair amount of piston 
skirt slap.  Why not just try a new set of rings to see if that will 
get her running before you (or Craig) go through the trouble of 
boring the cylinder?

>Next year she'll be amazing.  8-))

Oh PLLLEEEAAASE!  How long have you had Bessie?  Is this the first 
time that you noticed that she didn't have enough compression to run 
or are you just using that as an excuse to cover up the fact that 
ANOTHER deadline has come and gone with no results! :-)))

See ya',
Mike
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Midway, Kentucky, USA
mtucker at uky.edu
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jun 21 09:55:08 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:55:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring. NOW: Cylinder boring
In-Reply-To: <p06020403bcfcb6b90b7f@[128.163.81.76]>
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<p06020403bcfcb6b90b7f@[128.163.81.76]>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211243260.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Mike,

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Michael Tucker wrote:

> I didn't realize that NOT putting in an oversized piston in when you
> bored the cylinder was an option.  Does it depend on how much (or
> little, in this case) that you bore the cylinder before you decide
> what to do with the piston?

I think the amount you need to remove is clearly a factor.  Perhaps as
Craig reads this he can offer some comments from his experience.

> I thought that if you bored the cylinder
> and left the original piston you would get a fair amount of piston
> skirt slap.

The situation is a bit different in an engine that has a cross-head.
I think you don't have the side forces with changing con rod angle that
lead to piston slap.

> Why not just try a new set of rings to see if that will
> get her running before you (or Craig) go through the trouble of
> boring the cylinder?

I thought about that.  And decided against it.  There's a bit of sadness
at the bottom of the bore (between the intake ports and the head) where it
looks like water was sitting for a LONG time.  I'll let Craig make the
final call on the bore, but I think he agrees with me that she'll be much
better off with having that bore cleaned up.

> Oh PLLLEEEAAASE!  How long have you had Bessie?  Is this the first
> time that you noticed that she didn't have enough compression to run
> or are you just using that as an excuse to cover up the fact that
> ANOTHER deadline has come and gone with no results! :-)))

Actually, the lack of compression was noticed last summer when I first
tried to get her started.  This summer I again pulled the piston and was
gonna measure the bore & piston for new rings.  It was during that
inspection that I decided against new rings without a cylinder bore.

As to deadlines....  Have you been talking to Dolly?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie


From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Mon Jun 21 10:13:20 2004
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:13:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
References: <BCF132E1.5426%gwwny@verizon.net><00bb01c45161$a8bfb4b0$f2f70cd1@VAIO><001701c45186$b86f83c0$911117d1@net.telenet.net>
	<008401c45197$d8151b70$d4f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <053401c457b3$0de2daf0$0301a8c0@ALEC>

Paul,
 I have been away fro the PC for 12 days, Sorry I didnt see this earlier,
 I drove by there on my way home from Coolsprings,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 Its 195 miles from my house, sorry, Good luck with it,
 Maybe offer her an extra 25 bucks if its not picked up by 8-15-04, or that
she can leave it outside till then or that it is hers after that
date????????????????????

Alec J. Stevens
Investment Specialist
80 Leighton Road, Suite C
Falmouth, ME 04105
(800)842-6669
(207)797-5169
(207)797-2819
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help


> Thanks Steve for the response. I ask the lady if she would extend me any
> grace on the pickup time and she let me know in a hurry that once it was
> sold I had 10 days to get it and that was that. She told me that she had
> been burned in the past by telling folks she could hold something for
awhile
> and then she ended up be a storage facility.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 3:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
>
>
> > 135 miles one way for me Paul. It's a shame it has a time limit. I go
> > out to Springfield for the Big E but that is a ways away yet.
> >
> >
> > Steve Williams
> > Near Cooperstown NY
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> >
> >
> > > Folks I done something I am good at and that is show my ignorance. I
> > had
> > > stated in a previous list that the corn cutter I am looking for
> > > transportation for was in Ashfield, Maryland as I assumed that the
> > state
> > > abbreviation Ma was Maryland. My good friend George Woodzell, who is
> > > obviously more educated that I aptly pointed out to me that Ma is
> > > Massachusetts, not Maryland. So if any of you folks live near
> > Ashfield, Mass
> > > and could pick the cutter up and store it for me until I can arrange
> > > transportation to Portland I would appreciate it. It will easily fit
> > in the
> > > back of any pickup and as I have said before you could probably put
> > tow or
> > > three in the back of a normal pickup. Any help would be greatly
> > appreciated.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "George Woodzell" <gwwny at verizon.net>
> > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 9:23 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi, Paul!
> > > >
> > > > I'm in Schenectady, New York - near Albany. If this unit of yours
> > will fit
> > > > in the back of a station wagon, I'd be happy to go get the thing and
> > store
> > > > it for you. How much does the thing weigh?
> > > >
> > > > George
> > > >
> > > > > Not yet Ed and that is way too far for you to go. I so appreciate
> > your
> > > > > response but unless someone closer comes through I will just
> > forget it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks again Ed,
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> > > > > To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> > <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 2:47 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> Paul,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I live about 115 mi  South of Ashfield; it would be a trip. Did
> > you get
> > > > > any
> > > > >> other feelers?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Ed Stoller
> > > > >> New Fairfield, CT
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> > > > >> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > > >> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 6:53 PM
> > > > >> Subject: Fw: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Folks this is a small unit that will fit in the back of a
> > pickup, in
> > > > > fact
> > > > >>> several of them would fit in the back of a pickup. Sure would
> > like to
> > > > > have
> > > > >>> it but need a temporary storage for it until I can arrange
> > > > > transportation
> > > > >> to
> > > > >>> the August Portland Show - anyone out there who can pick it up
> > in
> > > > >> Ashfield,
> > > > >>> Ma for me?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Thanks
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >>> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> > > > >>> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > > >>> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 7:23 AM
> > > > >>> Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Do any of the List members live anywhere near Ashfield, MA. I
> > have a
> > > > >> corn
> > > > >>>> cutter I would like to purchase but it has to be picked up
> > within 10
> > > > >> days
> > > > >>> of
> > > > >>>> the close of the auction. I would need someone who could pick
> > it up
> > > > > for
> > > > >> me
> > > > >>>> and store it until I could arrange for transportation to
> > Portland for
> > > > >> it.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Paul
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > > > >>>> SEL mailing list
> > > > >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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> > > > >>
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> > > > >
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From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Mon Jun 21 10:14:38 2004
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:14:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Style D  "shoebox"  fairbanks
References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A72022A9@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>
Message-ID: <053b01c457b3$3b808f20$0301a8c0@ALEC>

Does anyone have an extra crank they want to sell for a style D ?????
 Tks , 
Alec



From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Mon Jun 21 10:18:25 2004
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:18:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Thompson engines or Thompson Tiger
References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A72022A9@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>
Message-ID: <054201c457b3$c3a21b80$0301a8c0@ALEC>

Anyone out there have info on these engines?????????????
Mine is a dual ported aircooled engine with all the stufff on the wrong
side, like a Gilson, These were made in Beloit Wis. , about 40 miles from
the Gilson plant
 Bob B. from the list says they were similar but different, If there are any
reprints of catalogs etc. that anyone knows about , It would be of great
help to me , Tks
Alec J. Stevens
Investment Specialist
80 Leighton Road, Suite C
Falmouth, ME 04105
(800)842-6669
(207)797-5169
(207)797-2819




From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jun 21 10:45:56 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:45:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring. NOW: Cylinder boring
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<p06020403bcfcb6b90b7f@[128.163.81.76]>
Message-ID: <40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>

While ripping on ol' Arnie is a hoot (and so appropriate!), the subject 
of boring an oil field engine is of interest too. During the long hours 
of driving back from Coolsprings this weekend, I was wondering about the 
possibilities of boring an oil field engine cylinder in place. Several 
years ago we rented GE Services equipment and line bored 3 high speed 
brass pinion bushings in the bed of a forging machine. I was thinking 
similiar equipment could be used, locating one end of the boring bar 
between the throws of the crankshaft (or the bearing caps) and locating 
the other end with a plate clamped by the cylinder head bolts. Does 
anyone have experience boring an engine this way? Does it sound reasonable?
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Michael Tucker wrote:

> Oh PLLLEEEAAASE!  How long have you had Bessie?  Is this the first 
> time that you noticed that she didn't have enough compression to run 
> or are you just using that as an excuse to cover up the fact that 
> ANOTHER deadline has come and gone with no results! :-)))
>




From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Mon Jun 21 10:46:30 2004
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:46:30 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring & Beyond...
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<40D6FE70.AB374410@insulate.co.uk>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211159420.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <40D71EF6.9D28A7BF@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Arnie

Arnie Fero wrote:

> As to TYRA (2002) and TYRYA (2004), there's been a rumour that supplies of
> food and beer may be tied to page production rates...  Watch this space
> for further developments.

Jim has come up with a better name for this year's trip.  Very apt.
"Been on Long Lazy Overseas Cavort.  Keep Snoring"

> PS - When shooting flying pigs from a lawn chair does one use #2 shot or
> move up to buckshot?  8-))

I believe it's quite acceptable to use a Bren.

Dolly and Jim

--
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk




From mtucker at uky.edu  Mon Jun 21 10:44:06 2004
From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:44:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring & Beyond...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211159420.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<40D6FE70.AB374410@insulate.co.uk>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211159420.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <p06020404bcfcce61969c@[128.163.81.76]>

>PS - When shooting flying pigs from a lawn chair does one use #2 shot or
>move up to buckshot?  8-))

Flying pigs move very slowly so if you need to use a shotgun, you've 
been making WAY too much shimstock!  I prefer to use whatever 
favorite large caliber handgun I happen to have with me.

See ya',
Mike
-- 
____________________
Michael Tucker
Midway, Kentucky, USA
mtucker at uky.edu
____________________


From cgbusch at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 21 11:25:24 2004
From: cgbusch at yahoo.com (Chris Busch)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:25:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: engine tolerances - Re: [SEL] Coolspring & Beyond...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211159420.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20040621182524.73006.qmail@web11309.mail.yahoo.com>

>and left the original piston you would get a fair
>amount of piston 
>skirt slap.  Why not just try a new set of rings to 

On my vintage garden tractor project, last Sunday, I
put my FMZ 2hp dishpan back together with new rings. 
Since the stationary engine isn't stationary anymore,
I noticed that I have to improve clearances a lot
more.  

When the engine would tilt side to side, it would
knock, I fixed that by adding solder to the ends of
the main bearings.  This tightened up the end play
slop.

I also adjusted the mains to not have slop when
lifting on either flywheel.

However, I still notice a little knock sound if you
are in high gear and hit a big bump.  On the FMZ the
crank handle is loose, so it can bang around.  But
perhaps it is piston skirt slop?

I am using synthetic grease with teflon in it, for
super slippery-ness.  I use high quality modern motor
oil in the oiler.  (I may start using synthethic oil.)

The engine probably runs better than it has in 50
years. Although it is in battered work clothes. When
actually using these engines for work, you need 'em to
run right. :)



=====
--
Chris Busch
cgbusch at yahoo.com
http://www.geocities.com/cgbusch/


From BillMil357 at aol.com  Mon Jun 21 11:48:55 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:48:55 EDT
Subject: [SEL] new photos
Message-ID: <1e1.23970ff8.2e088797@aol.com>

Hi Mick;

I enjoyed the pictures, you done good.

Bill Miller.


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Jun 21 12:40:55 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:40:55 +0200
Subject: [SEL] new photos
References: <004001c45735$2db3d560$5da557ca@andrewiowlw0rj>
Message-ID: <003101c457c7$ab446070$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>


Hi Mick, you got a nice collection in that short time.
Especially the Titan and Famous are interesting, pitty
you can't find them here.
Thanks for sharing the pics.

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl


> 
>  G'day All
>  I have added some more pictures to my webshot page of some engines i have
> acquired and finished off in the last 6 months and thought you all might
>  like to have a look.
>     Cheers
>         Mick
> 
>  http://community.webshots.com/album/143394803IRIBri
> 
>  Mick Christie
>  Victoria, Australia
>  mickc at vic.australis.com.au




From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 21 12:45:59 2004
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:45:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Thompson engines or Thompson Tiger
In-Reply-To: <054201c457b3$c3a21b80$0301a8c0@ALEC>
Message-ID: <20040621194559.77728.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com>

Thompson engines were built by J. Thompson & Sons. Thompson got into the
business very early and built some large double acting industrial engines,
gasifiers and water pumping outfits for municipalities. I don't know of
any paper on them.
Thompson Tigers were built in the teens and were sold under the Thompson
name, the Woodmanse name and also under the UMA name by United
Manufacturer's Association. 
One fellow that might have some information on them is a guy by the name
of Tom Enderson, of Jim Falls, WI. Tom is a retired pipefitter who worked
construction, and when he was working away from home he occupied his free
time by going to the library in whatever town he was staying in and going
through the newspapers. Beats going to the saloon. Tom is a wealth of
knowledge on Wisconsin built engines and has owned some pretty obscure
stuff over the years. I do not know if he is online or not, but you should
be able to get his telephone number through Yahoo and then give him a
call. I have learned a few things from him and find him to be very cordial
and willing to share what he knows.
ANother collector you might try is Kevin Behnke, in Wausau, WI. Kevin has
an incredible collection of paper and is also a wealth of knowledge. I
have never talked about Thompsons with him, but the chances are good that
if he doesn't know a lot about them, he could tell you who does. Kevin
just might have some paper. You can tell either of them that I gave you
their names, they won't hang up on you for doing so!
It would be nice to see a picture of your Thompson, they are nice engines
and quite desirable around here since they are one of the more obscure
Wisconsin built engines.
So nice to have the list back up and running. I don't post much, but I do
enjoy reading it and missed is when it was down.
Later,
Joe
--- Alec Stevens <ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz> wrote:
> Anyone out there have info on these engines?????????????
> Mine is a dual ported aircooled engine with all the stufff on the wrong
> side, like a Gilson, These were made in Beloit Wis. , about 40 miles
> from
> the Gilson plant
>  Bob B. from the list says they were similar but different, If there are
> any
> reprints of catalogs etc. that anyone knows about , It would be of great
> help to me , Tks
> Alec J. Stevens
> Investment Specialist
> 80 Leighton Road, Suite C
> Falmouth, ME 04105
> (800)842-6669
> (207)797-5169
> (207)797-2819


=====
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Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist
See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at:
www.tznet.com/jprindle
Our Club:
www.badgersteamandgas.com
See Yoo in Baraboo!


		
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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 21 12:53:33 2004
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:53:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20040621195333.85715.qmail@web20228.mail.yahoo.com>

You did the right thing. When Craig gets done with it, it will be done
right. You have a nice looking engine there and the heart of an engine is
the cylinder. When Craig gets done with it, you will have an engine that
will start easy and run good, and you can enjoy it.
Did you see our club's Farrar & Trefts steam engine last year? I think it
is pretty much the same engine that yours was before it was converted to a
half-breed. Ours came off the Windy City lease, so it has a nice history
to go along with it. Over in our engine shed we have a McEwen Bros. half
breed on a Farrar & Trefts base. It has a good cylinder on it and it
starts real easy, just crack open the gas cock and flip the flywheels back
and forth a few times real gently and it pops right off. Never seen an
engine start so easy and run so nice. THAT is what a good cylinder will do
for you.
Darn, that is a nice engine. I really wish it was mine, and not yours! The
skid and canopy are pretty classy.
Later,
Joe
--- Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> Hi John,
> 
> Bessie's Coolspring outing was great even if she didn't do more than
> chuff
> a bit.  A large gang (Craig Prucha, Paul Grey, Dallas Cox, Bill Tremel,
> and me) all got our morning exercise pulling and tromping the flywheels.
> Despite all the creative suggestions and adjustments, the lack of
> compression just couldn't be overcome.  Saturday morning I removed the
> cylinder and piston and sent those home with Craig.  He'll bore the
> cylinder, order new rings, and flame spray the piston if needed.  Next
> year she'll be amazing.  8-))
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, John Hammink wrote:
> 
> > Wonder how it ended.
> >
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Arnie'sBreath.jpg
> 
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See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at:
www.tznet.com/jprindle
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From kerogas at the-i.net  Mon Jun 21 13:06:54 2004
From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:06:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring.
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn><Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<40D6FE70.AB374410@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <006901c457cb$4d31bf60$be02fea9@oemcomputer>

 
> >   Next
> > year she'll be amazing.  8-))
 

You better put extra elves on this one 



From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jun 21 13:44:59 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:44:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - need tune-up specs..
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0406150857010.94538@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <008801c457d0$9f561750$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

Sorry, folks - the AMCFORUM is down, can't get answers there  - and my
Chilton's only goes back to the mid-70's.
I need the tune-up specs for a 1969 AMC Javelin with a 290 2bbl and
automatic tranny.
Idle speed, fast idle speed, timing (I'd bet dwell is 29-31!) and so forth.
Doing a complete work-over of such a beast and don't have any specs to go
by.
I've gotten it working a WHOLE lot better just by using instincts and what I
can remember about them (since I used to work on them all the time).

Right now, it's a semi-stationary engine - it's in the garage with the hood
up.

To do:
Radiator
Read spring rebuild
Transmission service (and leaks)

Done:
Brakes/wheel cylinders
Carb overhaul
Driver window repair

(no, it's my brother's car)

http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin001a.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin002a.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin003a.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin005.jpg
http://www.antique-engines.com/images/javelin006.jpg

Bill




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Jun 21 14:32:21 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 23:32:21 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring. NOW: Cylinder boring
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn><Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com><p06020403bcfcb6b90b7f@[128.163.81.76]>
	<40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <000501c457d7$3d623d10$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>


Hi Curt,
    Have you ever seen Harry Terpstra's setup, boring a cylinder and
turning a new piston with a homemade construction.
It can be seen at:
http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/eaton.htm

Enjoy,

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl


> While ripping on ol' Arnie is a hoot (and so appropriate!), the subject 
> of boring an oil field engine is of interest too. During the long hours 
> of driving back from Coolsprings this weekend, I was wondering about the 
> possibilities of boring an oil field engine cylinder in place. Several 
> years ago we rented GE Services equipment and line bored 3 high speed 
> brass pinion bushings in the bed of a forging machine. I was thinking 
> similiar equipment could be used, locating one end of the boring bar 
> between the throws of the crankshaft (or the bearing caps) and locating 
> the other end with a plate clamped by the cylinder head bolts. Does 
> anyone have experience boring an engine this way? Does it sound reasonable?
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jun 21 14:33:24 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:33:24 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fw: [Min_Int_Comb_Eng] jay peters/breisch associated
References: <006d01c4575f$30bb2fe0$05111bd3@athlon>
Message-ID: <005f01c457d8$99467320$7c0d1bd3@athlon>

Sorry about the previous message not being complete. Here is what it said.

!> Hi, I ordered a couple of casting kits, little Brother and Associated
> hired man, From Jay peters about 3 weeks ago. During a fairly lengthy
> phone conversation mister peters explained to me that he had ALS and
> was in the last stages of degeneration and had lost most of his
> muscle control. As such he was moving in with one of his children. I
> spoke at length yesterday with Jays lady friend at the contact number
> I had for him. She told me most everything has now been packed up and
> stored away and that the website would no longer be available. Jay
> has moved a few hours away, and she seemed to think his kids didnt
> want the hassle of operating a mail order business and had ask that
> their phone number not be given out so their dad could rest. My big
> problem is I did not recieve any prints with the two casting sets. I
> ordered both sets to get an idea of the qaulity with the mindset of
> buying Mr Peters business, now Im just worried I wont get the prints
> to go along with the two casting kits, kinda hard to finish accuratly
> with out blue prints. If anyone can help it would be greatly
> appreciated, I will gladly reimburse for the trouble.  Jay Peters our
> prayers are with you. 
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jun 21 14:51:54 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:51:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring. NOW: Cylinder boring
In-Reply-To: <40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>	<p06020403bcfcb6b90b7f@[128.163.81.76]>
	<40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <40D7587A.30409@scrtc.com>

Curt,

	While I've never seen it, I'll bet that the equipment exists (or 
existed) to do it.  I remember my dad having the equipment to grind 
crankshafts in place in an engine.  I remember (when I was a little boy) 
helping him grind a rod journal on an M Farmall and it was in the engine 
and never removed.  I don't remember all the details but I do remember 
the set up and clean up took quite a while.

Tommy Turner




Curt Holland wrote:

> While ripping on ol' Arnie is a hoot (and so appropriate!), the subject 
> of boring an oil field engine is of interest too. During the long hours 
> of driving back from Coolsprings this weekend, I was wondering about the 
> possibilities of boring an oil field engine cylinder in place. Several 
> years ago we rented GE Services equipment and line bored 3 high speed 
> brass pinion bushings in the bed of a forging machine. I was thinking 
> similiar equipment could be used, locating one end of the boring bar 
> between the throws of the crankshaft (or the bearing caps) and locating 
> the other end with a plate clamped by the cylinder head bolts. Does 
> anyone have experience boring an engine this way? Does it sound reasonable?
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> 
> Michael Tucker wrote:
> 
>> Oh PLLLEEEAAASE!  How long have you had Bessie?  Is this the first 
>> time that you noticed that she didn't have enough compression to run 
>> or are you just using that as an excuse to cover up the fact that 
>> ANOTHER deadline has come and gone with no results! :-)))
>>
> 
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From BillMil357 at aol.com  Mon Jun 21 15:36:04 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:36:04 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Electrical Problem, Way-Way-Way OT.
Message-ID: <1da.249a35e3.2e08bcd4@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/20/2004 8:54:48 PM Central Standard Time, 
BillMil357 at aol.com writes:
Hey Guy's and Gal's;

I know there are some good electrician's and electrical Engineers on this 
list and Your OLE engine buddy has a problem I have some electric light 
dimmer 
controls on lights down at my church and they are made by Hunter Electronics, 
Dallas, Texas and I was wondering if any of you had worked on these controls 
or 
would have a wiring diagram for them, The top control number is MC 50 and the 
Bottom control number is PC 20 LR. This set of lights would only burn about 
half brightness, and when I would turn the rheostat one place the lights got 
a 
little brighter and I could hear the pot humming, like arcing so I put a 
jumper 
wire across from the center terminal to one outside terminal and the lights 
got good and bright, and there is another rheostat on the same shaft that has 
never been used, how can I determine if it is the right size to work if I 
switch my wires over to it, this rheostat just had 3 wires run over to the 
terminal 
board and ended there. These controls are about 35 years old and Hunter Is no 
longer in business and the controls just look brand new when you take the 
covers off and no burned wires or anything, I would sure like to have a 
wiring 
diag. and some technical help. I have several pictures on my Webshots page 
that 
will give you a lot better idea of what is going on. I will also list my 
E-mail address so you can write off list.

http://community.webshots.com/user/billmil357
I wrote this message yesterday and was afraid it didn't get through during 
the LIST computer switching around, and I sure need a wiring diagram bad, just 
thought someone possibly may have one.


Thanks,

Bill Miller.
billmil357 at aol.com
_______________________________________________


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Jun 21 15:55:43 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:55:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Reel Mower and Gal Sawrig
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV33PDVniSnRM00001a64@hotmail.com>

  Question please!..Was a "Single Reel" lawn mower powered by a Maytag..ever 
manufactured?  Found one..looks OEM but never seen one.

  And get this..found another Gal (?) sawrig w/o engine....carriage offset 
on this one is to the left..blade on the right (normal)    and..has the 
blade cover provisions like John's...mine doesn't.

  Is RED my destiny?????...

We saw the sun today...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TIA
RickinMt.







http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 


From BetCleve321 at aol.com  Mon Jun 21 16:24:54 2004
From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:24:54 EDT
Subject: engine tolerances - Re: [SEL] Coolspring & Beyond...
Message-ID: <11b.337e4bef.2e08c846@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/21/2004 5:51:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
cgbusch at yahoo.com writes:

I use  high quality modern motor
oil in the oiler.  (I may start using  synthethic oil.)

The engine probably runs better than it has in  50
years. Although it is in battered work clothes. When
actually using  these engines for work, you need 'em to
run right.  :)



=====
--
Chris Busch



Why not use some heavy cylinder oil like 60 wt Harley oil. Or some 50 wt.  
aero Shell 100..
The stuff really quiets the noise down. I believe they were intended for  use 
with heavy cylinder oil back then.
If you are leaving loose clearances in your projects, the heavy stuff will  
work well.
 
Skip


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Jun 21 17:29:35 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:29:35 EDT
Subject: [SEL] OT - need tune-up specs..
Message-ID: <1e0.239bfade.2e08d76f@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/21/2004 3:45:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
bill at antique-engines.com writes:
I need the tune-up specs for a 1969 AMC Javelin with a 290 2bbl and
automatic tranny.
Idle speed, fast idle speed, timing (I'd bet dwell is 29-31!) and so forth.
Doing a complete work-over of such a beast and don't have any specs to go
by.
Bill,
Here is the data you requested from Motor Auto Repair Manual (1968 to 1974):

Spark Plugs - N12Y .035" Gap

Point Gap - .016" Gap

Dwell Angle 29 - 31 Degrees

Hot Idle Speed - 550D (With A/C, turn A/C switch to full) 


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 21 17:37:23 2004
From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:37:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] System Outage
Message-ID: <BAY2-F1227kx2fuplvi0005fc15@hotmail.com>

Thanks Spencer for all your hard work getting the list up and going again.


Regards,
Lyndsay.





>From: "Spencer Yost" <syost at triad.rr.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com,   
>farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com,   
>antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com
>Subject: [SEL] System Outage
>Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:59:49 -0400
>
>The note I sent last Thursday about the new ATIS system and an update to my
>professional situation was sent literally less than an hour before the
>server that ran ATIS lost the only drive (boot drive) that wasn't on a RAID
>array.   The ATIS server was sold as part of my business last month with
>the clause in the business separation agreement that Piedmont Systems
>continue to host ATIS until the end of June.  Fortunately I was called in
>to consult with them and help restore the server.   Found out they had no
>backups after I left )-;
>
>Long story short:   A couple of long days with a Partition and MBR editing
>utility saved the data but not the drive.   The old system came backup
>yesterday.   But since I was no longer going to trust the old server and
>the care and administration it was getting I went ahead and initiated the
>changes to DNS last Friday to start the switch to the new equipment.   That
>is why still tonight some people are having trouble.  DNS is still
>propagating.  Thanks God the folks at Road Runner came early for me.   They
>weren't supposed to install my business class service until Saturday.  This
>saved us quite a bit of time.   At least ATIS will be back up, mostly, by
>tomorrow morning.
>
>Thanks for your patience and more to come later,
>
>PS  The OFES, Ford-Ferguson, and Steam-engine lists are still down as are
>several web based utilities at ATIS.   I will continue to work to restore
>services without stop or break
>
>PSS  Happy Father's day to all the father's out there!
>
>
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From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Mon Jun 21 17:53:52 2004
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:53:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring. NOW: Cylinder boring
In-Reply-To: <40D7587A.30409@scrtc.com>
References: <40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>
	<000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<p06020403bcfcb6b90b7f@[128.163.81.76]>
	<40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20040621205352.017b33f8@mail.accnorwalk.com>

At 05:51 PM 6/21/04 -0400, you wrote:
>Curt,
>
>	While I've never seen it, I'll bet that the equipment exists (or 
>existed) to do it.  I remember my dad having the equipment to grind 
>crankshafts in place in an engine.  >Tommy Turner
>
 
I've got a boring bar set that was meant to do engines in the car. It
attaches to the head studs and is turned by hand. I've never tried it but
have been tempted a few times.


                                                      
           Doug Tallman                  Join us for the 2004 regional show
           dtallman at accnorwalk.com              in conjunction with      
           VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director   Ashland Co Yesteryear Mach club
               Greenwich, OH USA                July 9-11, 2004             
             


From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jun 21 17:55:27 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:55:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - need tune-up specs..
In-Reply-To: <1e0.239bfade.2e08d76f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002301c457f3$9cacdb60$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

I assume the 550D is in drive with parking brake on......
How about timing?

Thanks. I figured the dwell was "standard" for a V8
The plugs were a bit close, I guessed .35 and these were .30

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
FRM8198 at aol.com
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 7:30 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - need tune-up specs..


In a message dated 6/21/2004 3:45:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
bill at antique-engines.com writes:
I need the tune-up specs for a 1969 AMC Javelin with a 290 2bbl and
automatic tranny. Idle speed, fast idle speed, timing (I'd bet dwell is
29-31!) and so forth. Doing a complete work-over of such a beast and don't
have any specs to go by. Bill, Here is the data you requested from Motor
Auto Repair Manual (1968 to 1974):

Spark Plugs - N12Y .035" Gap

Point Gap - .016" Gap

Dwell Angle 29 - 31 Degrees

Hot Idle Speed - 550D (With A/C, turn A/C switch to full) 


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California _______________________________________________
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From sel at antique-engine.com  Mon Jun 21 18:08:33 2004
From: sel at antique-engine.com (Craig Prucha)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:08:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring. NOW: Cylinder boring
In-Reply-To: <40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<p06020403bcfcb6b90b7f@[128.163.81.76]>
	<40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <1087866513.40d7869107551@login.kupio.lunarpages.com>

Hi Curt, Arnie, and Michael,

Quite a few years ago some friends and I went out to the Henry Ford Museum. They
have an awesome display of steam engines. There was one corliss steam engine
setup with a portable boring machine driven by a small vertical steam engine.
On the following webpage, (see below) about 3/4 of the way down, you can see a
photo of the setup. It's the photo just before the Lima Locomotive.

http://www.pacificsun.ca/~robert/2001/part03.htm

About using a larger piston:

The first step will be to measure the bore and indicate it on the Horizontal
Boring Mill. Usually I have the bore mapped out on paper and know exactly where
the boring tool will start removing material. The piston reguardless of how
it's achieved, will have to have the proper clearance with the new bore. After
the boring process is completed this can all be figured out, how to get the
piston within the new required specs. Piston ring land depth and OD also play a
part in the decision of how to rework the piston. Every job is different. Well
take care, Craig...


Quoting Curt Holland <curt at imc-group.com>:

> While ripping on ol' Arnie is a hoot (and so appropriate!), the subject 
> of boring an oil field engine is of interest too. During the long hours 
> of driving back from Coolsprings this weekend, I was wondering about the 
> possibilities of boring an oil field engine cylinder in place. Several 
> years ago we rented GE Services equipment and line bored 3 high speed 
> brass pinion bushings in the bed of a forging machine. I was thinking 
> similiar equipment could be used, locating one end of the boring bar 
> between the throws of the crankshaft (or the bearing caps) and locating 
> the other end with a plate clamped by the cylinder head bolts. Does 
> anyone have experience boring an engine this way? Does it sound reasonable?
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Jun 21 19:56:24 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:56:24 EDT
Subject: [SEL] OT - need tune-up specs..
Message-ID: <c8.490051bc.2e08f9d8@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/21/2004 6:46:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
bill at antique-engines.com writes:
I assume the 550D is in drive with parking brake on......
It doesn't really state so.  However, I believe you are correct.


How about timing?
Timing is TDC with the vacuum hose or tube disconnected at the distributor 
and the disconnected line (hose or tube) plugged so the idle speed will not be 
affected.

Firing order is 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2


Francis


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun 21 20:17:00 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:17:00 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Style D  "shoebox"  fairbanks
In-Reply-To: <053b01c457b3$3b808f20$0301a8c0@ALEC>
Message-ID: <200406220317.i5M3H3f5027855@heavyiron.atis.net>


> Does anyone have an extra crank they want to sell for a
style D ?????

Crank as in the bent thing to start the engine, or crank as
in the crankSHAFT, that bent thing way on the inside of the
engine?




From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jun 21 20:36:03 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:36:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - need tune-up specs..
In-Reply-To: <c8.490051bc.2e08f9d8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003001c4580a$0c0555d0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

Thanks.
TDC would seem a bit late - it's sitting at about 7 BTDC now, however that
could be incorrect since not much else was right, except dwell, which was
right on.
They never did use radical specs. That little 290 is a screamer now that
it's carb is clean inside and it's better adjusted.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
FRM8198 at aol.com
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 9:56 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - need tune-up specs..


In a message dated 6/21/2004 6:46:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
bill at antique-engines.com writes:
I assume the 550D is in drive with parking brake on......
It doesn't really state so.  However, I believe you are correct.


How about timing?
Timing is TDC with the vacuum hose or tube disconnected at the distributor 
and the disconnected line (hose or tube) plugged so the idle speed will not
be 
affected.

Firing order is 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2


Francis
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From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Jun 22 02:26:39 2004
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 9:26:39 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT - need tune-up specs..
Message-ID: <36u7i2$1f7q9e@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net>


> TDC would seem a bit late - it's sitting at about 7 BTDC now, however that


This was when they were first starting emission controls and the retarded timing got them by for a little while, helped one area but hurt another that wasn't being checked at the time, don't remember the details. This was when you would see the dual diaphram distributors that would actually retard the timing at idle. Check your total advance if you leave it set high, you may be over advancing. A timing advance kit in the distributor would get things in order for performance.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Jun 22 03:07:07 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 05:07:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT - need tune-up specs..
In-Reply-To: <36u7i2$1f7q9e@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <006101c45840$ad600980$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

This has the single diaphragm, but the total advance is the critical issue
here, correct.
I'll check the advance curve on it and see - probably best back it off a
bit.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
jbcast at charter.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 4:27 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: RE: [SEL] OT - need tune-up specs..



> TDC would seem a bit late - it's sitting at about 7 BTDC now, however 
> that


This was when they were first starting emission controls and the retarded
timing got them by for a little while, helped one area but hurt another that
wasn't being checked at the time, don't remember the details. This was when
you would see the dual diaphram distributors that would actually retard the
timing at idle. Check your total advance if you leave it set high, you may
be over advancing. A timing advance kit in the distributor would get things
in order for performance. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA

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From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jun 22 04:33:37 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:33:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring. NOW: Cylinder boring
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn><Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com><p06020403bcfcb6b90b7f@[128.163.81.76]>	<40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>
	<000501c457d7$3d623d10$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <40D81911.2020704@imc-group.com>

John,
This is exactly what I had in mind. Being a non cross slide engine 
allowed the use of a large diameter boring bar for rigidity. Those oil 
fields with cross slides and rod gland seal may limit the size of boring 
bar, resulting in too much chatter. Thanks for posting Harry's work.
Curt
P.S. Is an Eaton a Waterloo made engine?

John Hammink wrote:

>Hi Curt,
>    Have you ever seen Harry Terpstra's setup, boring a cylinder and
>turning a new piston with a homemade construction.
>It can be seen at:
>http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/eaton.htm
>
>Enjoy,
>
>John Hammink
>Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
>jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
>
>  
>




From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jun 22 04:46:48 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:46:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring. NOW: Cylinder boring
References: <40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>	<000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>	<p06020403bcfcb6b90b7f@[128.163.81.76]>	<40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>
	<3.0.3.32.20040621205352.017b33f8@mail.accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <40D81C28.3090007@imc-group.com>

Doug,
How is the feed controlled? Could you post a picture of the set up?
Curt

Doug Tallman wrote:

>I've got a boring bar set that was meant to do engines in the car. It
>attaches to the head studs and is turned by hand. I've never tried it but
>have been tempted a few times.
>
>
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Jun 22 10:06:44 2004
From: frappi at wcoil.com (frappi at wcoil.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:06:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine in Washington State USA 
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040622130644.007f9cb0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi All, I just got this engine is Auburn, WA. and Is there anyone near
there that could use the left  over parts? Or pick it up and bring it along
to Portland Show in August?  The seller is removing the mag and bracket and
the carb and shipping those parts to me and he is going to scrap the rest
if nothing happens. Anyone want the rest? Its a drag saw, most likely a
Wade. Looks like good parts. If I can't get a ride for it or nobody wants
the rest its gonna be scrapped. 
I'd like to have the whole thing but shipping is too much to invest unless
I can get a ride for it .   
              
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3822391797>

                                 Help, Thanks,  Maytag Mark



Mark Shulaw            GOD BLESS THE USA! 
454 Co. Rd. 33              
Bluffton, Ohio 45817        <frappi at wcoil.com>  419-358-5206



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Tue Jun 22 11:33:33 2004
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:33:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring pictures.
In-Reply-To: <1087866513.40d7869107551@login.kupio.lunarpages.com>
References: <000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<p06020403bcfcb6b90b7f@[128.163.81.76]>
	<40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>
	<1087866513.40d7869107551@login.kupio.lunarpages.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040622132716.02c403e0@mail.herculesengines.com>

We were at the Coolspring show on Friday and Saturday. I took a few 
pictures and posted them at the attached link.  I may not have the H.P. 
correct on some of the Reid pictures particularly in the 8-15 H.P. 
range.  If someone sees any errors please let me know and I'll correct them.
http://www.herculesengines.com/OFES/Coolspring2004.htm
The main point of the trip was to pick up an engine on the way home for a 
friend.  That too went successfully and I'll post some additional pictures 
later.

Keith






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From yostsw at atis.net  Tue Jun 22 12:14:45 2004
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:14:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] System Outage - kinda
References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com>
	<200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com>
	<200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200>
Message-ID: <200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200>

To all the folks that use ATIS

There is a problem with one (or more) of the root servers in the DNS system
that is creating some problems that is affecting ATIS.   One of the root
servers is continuing to cache old information and is not reporting "glue"
records and still has my OLD secondary name server in its cache.   This
information was changed Friday so I am not sure why this is still happening
since the TTL for this information was only 3 days.  Unfortunately, no one
at ISC (Keepers of BIND) can explain it nor is there a remedy.  All I have
gotten from them is something like:

I am very confused...This output for ATIS leads me to believe that there
are missing glue records
at the parent.  But when I issue successive "dig" commands, I find the
glue.    I have been seeing this for a few weeks though.

Not comforting words from experts.  In a nutshell what is happening is most
servers return the correct information (B.GTLD-SERVERS for instance) but
some of them (I haven't tested all of them) return the IP address of my old
secondary nameserver.  Specifically G.GTLD-SERVERS.net is a big culprit.

Anyways, there is nothing I can do about it.   If your ISP happens to get
G.GTLD-SERVERS or one of the others with an outdated cache when your ISP's
name servers reissues a query for ATIS, you will not be able to access ATIS
for about 1 day.   Sorry about this, but there is nothing I can do.
Eventually all of these servers have to have the DNS information reloaded
so I feel comfortable this inconvienence will not last too many more days.

For more information on DNS and to test and prove what I am saying, visit:

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnstime.ch?name=atis.net&type=A

Just keep hitting refresh until G.GTLD-SERVERS.net reports
ns2-auth.sprintlink.net instead of heavyiron.atis.net or one of my
secondaries at biz.rr.com    ns2-auth.sprintlink.net is one of three old
secondaries I use to have and ns2-auth had old information cached.

Sorry for any inconvienence but this should be resolved with a day or two
on its own I would expect,

Sincerely,

Spencer Yost



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun 22 18:08:17 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:08:17 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Check Balls for Pumps - 10 bags available
Message-ID: <200406230108.i5N18Mf5021946@heavyiron.atis.net>

Hi boys and girls,
If you need a supply of parts for your pumps, I've got just
the deal for you.  

My dilemma started two weeks ago when I needed to get a
fuel pump working IMMEDIATELY.  It turned out that one of
the check balls had become rusty and pitted after the
engine had sat for a couple years.  It was late and I
didn't have any extra balls rolling around, so I polished
up the seat and made due with a half-fast repair.

Not wanting to be in such a predicament again, I decided to
buy a selection of stainless steel balls to have on hand
for emergencies.  The corner hardware store is great;  they
have everything.  But their markup on little parts like
stainless balls is ridiculous.  To save some money, I
ordered up some full bags of stainless steel balls.  

Now what can I do with 375 assorted stainless steel balls?
Go into the fuel pump repair business?  Not bloody likely.
I'm gonna save a few out of each bag for myself and then
bag up the rest of them for those of you who might also
want a stash on hand.  

Here's what each package will contain:

8 each   1/8" stainless ball
8 each   3/16" stainless ball
8 each   1/4" stainless ball
4 each   5/16" stainless ball
2 each   3/8" stainless ball

I'll put them all in a ziplock baggie, sandwich it between
cardboard, stick it in an envelope, and send it First Class
Insured to anywhere in the U.S. for seven dollars.  I've
only got enough to do ten packages like this.  If you want
one, let me know OFF LIST.  

Rob



=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
www.rustyiron.com 
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com





















From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Tue Jun 22 19:14:31 2004
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 22:14:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring. NOW: Cylinder boring
In-Reply-To: <40D81C28.3090007@imc-group.com>
References: <40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>
	<000601c45782$9e15cb90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0406211040200.84793@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<p06020403bcfcb6b90b7f@[128.163.81.76]>
	<40D71ED4.2030103@imc-group.com>
	<3.0.3.32.20040621205352.017b33f8@mail.accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20040622221431.0166c348@mail.accnorwalk.com>

At 07:46 AM 6/22/04 -0400, you wrote:
>Doug,
>How is the feed controlled? Could you post a picture of the set up?
>Curt
>_______________________________________________

It uses a gear reduced screw feed if I remember right. Its been a LONG time
since I even opened the box and looked at it. May take a month of Sundays
to dig it out. It had different size guide plates to go with the cylinder
size. I'll see what I can do about a picture.


                                                      
           Doug Tallman                  Join us for the 2004 regional show
           dtallman at accnorwalk.com              in conjunction with      
           VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director   Ashland Co Yesteryear Mach club
               Greenwich, OH USA                July 9-11, 2004             
             


From pmaples at anaxis.net  Tue Jun 22 19:24:25 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:24:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Dave Rotigel E-mail Address
Message-ID: <00bd01c458c9$36feb730$daf70cd1@VAIO>

Hey Dave if you are lurking out there I need to get a hold of you. If
someone else can send me Dave's e-mail address I would appreciate it. I lost
it during my last hard drive crash.

Thanks




From pmaples at anaxis.net  Wed Jun 23 05:58:34 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 07:58:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need to talk to a Resdential Wiring Electrician
Message-ID: <00ad01c45921$ce3e9fe0$e7f70cd1@VAIO>

Hey Gang,

If one of you folks is a licensed residential wiring electrician I need to
talk to you about a question I have in regards to wiring up my son's new
house. Please contact me off list and I would appreciate it.

Thanks,

Paul




From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jun 23 07:45:16 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:45:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need Dave Rotigel E-mail Address
Message-ID: <20040623.105109.272.4.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Paul 
Dave's e-mail = rotigel at alltel.net
Good day !

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -   
 \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:24:25 -0500 "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
writes:
> Hey Dave if you are lurking out there I need to get a hold of you. 
> If
> someone else can send me Dave's e-mail address I would appreciate 
> it. I lost
> it during my last hard drive crash.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jun 23 08:23:28 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:23:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Check Balls for Pumps - 10 bags available
In-Reply-To: <200406230108.i5N18Mf5021946@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200406231523.i5NFNXf5019323@heavyiron.atis.net>


All the balls are spoken for.
All gone.
No more.

Thanks,
Rob



From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jun 23 08:30:10 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:30:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Check Balls for Pumps - 10 bags available
In-Reply-To: <200406231523.i5NFNXf5019323@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <003601c45936$fd8822c0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

Rob are you saying you have no balls?

I never saw an email saying you DID have balls..........

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:23 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: RE: [SEL] Check Balls for Pumps - 10 bags available



All the balls are spoken for.
All gone.
No more.

Thanks,
Rob

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From edstoller at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 23 10:49:06 2004
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:49:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Old Radios
Message-ID: <004f01c4594a$62874260$dc9ef504@x8h7l9>

I know there are a few old radio buffs on the engine list. I have been cleaning out a widow friends tractor barn and two old radios followed me home in hope the may be of use to someone. Feel free to cross post them to a radio list. Anybody interested in them?

1.    Western Electric, Code-A-Phone, made by K W Industries, Model KS 19245 L1, S/N 007819,R-1-67, R-2-67, May 65. It has a telephone hand set and a diked phone wire coming out the back.

2.    A.M. Communications Tr / Rx, made by Kaar, Model 12 TR 226, Chassis 8927, s/n 1664. Has four Delco 2N 441 power transistors and two tubes, 12GE6,12AQ5. This unit had mice in it and may not be restorable.

Ed Stoller
edstoller at earthlink dot net
New Fairfield, CT



From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jun 23 12:19:48 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:19:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Imaging software
Message-ID: <40D9D7D4.3090008@imc-group.com>

A while back someone recommended some software that resized and 
compressed images in mass. I use Irfanview software for resizing and 
compressing but it only lets me do one image at a time. I have a couple 
of hundred images from Evansville and Coolsprings that I would like to 
adjust an easier way.
Thanks,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Wed Jun 23 13:35:21 2004
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:35:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Imaging software
In-Reply-To: <40D9D7D4.3090008@imc-group.com>
References: <40D9D7D4.3090008@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040623152508.02ba0358@mail.herculesengines.com>

Curt
I think that was me.  I use WebGraphic Optimizer.  Here is their web site:
http://www.webopt.com/
The professional version lets you do multiple images at one time.  I 
reduced all my Coolsprings photo's in about 30 seconds.
Keith


At 02:19 PM 6/23/2004, you wrote:
>A while back someone recommended some software that resized and compressed 
>images in mass. I use Irfanview software for resizing and compressing but 
>it only lets me do one image at a time. I have a couple of hundred images 
>from Evansville and Coolsprings that I would like to adjust an easier way.
>Thanks,
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Keith Kinney
Evansville, Indiana USA
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From yostsw at atis.net  Wed Jun 23 15:16:10 2004
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:16:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] System Outage - Update
References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com>
	<200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com>
	<200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200>
	<200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200>
Message-ID: <200406231816100593.1B13A373@192.168.2.200>

The problems with DNS ever since Saturday when I changed the DNS
information have stemmed from secondary or root servers.  First the
transitional secondary server was never set up at Sprint as promised.  Then
the secondary DNS service at my ISP seemed to have one small problem after
another and 3 days later it still wasn't answering correctly.   To boot, a
caching problem of some type showed up Monday night on about 5 of the root
servers that brought my old primary name server back in to the mix, which
then reported wrong answers to everyone.

To make a long story short:  I have fired my secondary DNS service with my
ISP and have hired another company to act as my secondaries.   Everything
is now right, perfect, and zones have already transferred.  NS records have
been updated at my registrar to reflect my new secondaries and now we are
just waiting for the information to propagate.   Everything will be back to
normal in 12 -24 hours.  In fact, even though the information was keyed
into the registrar an hour ago, some root servers are already reporting the
correct secondaries so I am guessing by morning most everyone will have no
troubles.

Many, many thanks again for your patience and let me know if you have any
questions,

Spencer



From ignitors at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 23 18:28:50 2004
From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:28:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SCAM alert
Message-ID: <000e01c4598a$9b28ae70$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>

Just a word to let everyone know that there is a party offering the
Industrial Iron Works engine that my Dad and I had on e-bay last week for
sale at $6K.

This not true, the engine failed to make the reserve and is not at this time
for sale.

Ted Brookover
4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
816-763-3142
ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page,
http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm

This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus




From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jun 23 19:52:28 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:52:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] System Outage - Update
Message-ID: <20040623.225623.840.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Spencer,

I can only say - THANK YOU - - - I have no idea what you are talking
about - 
but - without you - we would all be in a pretty bad state of affair.

Thanks Again,

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -   
 \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Jun 23 18:46:09 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:46:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Balls
Message-ID: <022101c4598d$05e6f760$0400a8c0@Dave>

Hi Rob,
    Please send me one set of balls. I don't need any at the moment, but I
know that Arnie is having a bit of trouble with his balls. (It started last
year when we were at Portland and neither Bambi nor Nitro showed up and he
went off with some gal he met in the flea market area--but I digress.) Arnie
is currently in the UK and may miss your post. I'll even up with you at
Portland if that's OK--if not I'll snail the $7.00 to you. let me know!
    Dave
PS, As a mater of fact, just bring the balls to Portland with you and I'll
pick them up there.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:08 PM
Subject: [SEL] Check Balls for Pumps - 10 bags available


> Hi boys and girls,
> If you need a supply of parts for your pumps, I've got just
> the deal for you.
>
> My dilemma started two weeks ago when I needed to get a
> fuel pump working IMMEDIATELY.  It turned out that one of
> the check balls had become rusty and pitted after the
> engine had sat for a couple years.  It was late and I
> didn't have any extra balls rolling around, so I polished
> up the seat and made due with a half-fast repair.
>
> Not wanting to be in such a predicament again, I decided to
> buy a selection of stainless steel balls to have on hand
> for emergencies.  The corner hardware store is great;  they
> have everything.  But their markup on little parts like
> stainless balls is ridiculous.  To save some money, I
> ordered up some full bags of stainless steel balls.
>
> Now what can I do with 375 assorted stainless steel balls?
> Go into the fuel pump repair business?  Not bloody likely.
> I'm gonna save a few out of each bag for myself and then
> bag up the rest of them for those of you who might also
> want a stash on hand.
>
> Here's what each package will contain:
>
> 8 each   1/8" stainless ball
> 8 each   3/16" stainless ball
> 8 each   1/4" stainless ball
> 4 each   5/16" stainless ball
> 2 each   3/8" stainless ball
>
> I'll put them all in a ziplock baggie, sandwich it between
> cardboard, stick it in an envelope, and send it First Class
> Insured to anywhere in the U.S. for seven dollars.  I've
> only got enough to do ten packages like this.  If you want
> one, let me know OFF LIST.
>
> Rob


From yostsw at atis.net  Thu Jun 24 08:45:38 2004
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:45:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] System Outage - Update
References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com>
	<200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com>
	<200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200>
	<200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200>
	<200406231816100593.1B13A373@192.168.2.200>
Message-ID: <200406241145380078.1ED4722F@192.168.2.200>

I believe DNS information that includes the new secondary DNS service I am
using is beginning to propagate.   It was in WHOIS last night but of course
it can take a 12-24 hours to make its rounds and show up for most folks and
up to 3 days for some people/ISPs.  DNS test suites and sites are pulling
up the right information from time to depending on which root server they
happen to get so I know it is beginning to happen.

Some of you may be able to get to the ATIS/Antique-Tractor site now.   BTW,
I just fixed the problem with the Cub FAQ not loading(PS  Jim Becker please
contact me offline).

Spencer



From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 24 08:21:43 2004
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:21:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arnie Where are you?
Message-ID: <BAY12-F53XCUOGqcaZI0000cf94@hotmail.com>


Hey Arnie, Where are you? I have your  Bamford/ Millars book ready to mail 
but you never sent me a snail mail address. Did you get so busy finishing up 
  TYRA III and IV that you forgot so send it?  Steve Royster

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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jun 24 12:07:17 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:07:17 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Arnie Where are you?
References: <BAY12-F53XCUOGqcaZI0000cf94@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000401c45a1e$78556e80$6190ff3e@zen>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:21 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Arnie Where are you?


>
> Hey Arnie, Where are you? I have your  Bamford/ Millars book ready to mail
> but you never sent me a snail mail address. Did you get so busy finishing
up
>   TYRA III and IV that you forgot so send it?  Steve Royster

Hi Steve, He left it so late writing about England that he forgot
what we are like.
As a result he is back here having a reminder.
I should be meeting him again on Saturday at the 1000 engine rally.

Dave Croft
Warrington
England.



From yostsw at atis.net  Thu Jun 24 14:34:50 2004
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:34:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] System Outage - Update
References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com>
	<200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com>
	<200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200>
	<200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200>
	<200406231816100593.1B13A373@192.168.2.200>
	<200406241145380078.1ED4722F@192.168.2.200>
Message-ID: <200406241734500359.201437E1@192.168.2.200>

I am starting to see a marked increase in web traffic and know for sure
most if not all AOL users can get through just fine.   I just answered some
mail from a few as a matter of fact.  All root DNS servers are now all
reporting correct information and its just a matter of time before the
information your ISP has cached expires and your ISP DNS servers must look
it up.  They will get the right information then.

If your ISP is small and very helpful, you may be able to call them up and
ask them to "flush" their DNS servers' caches.  This will speed up the
process of getting to my servers.   Don't even bother calling the big guys
with that favor (-;

By the way, here is the DNS timing test link.  We're getting As and A+s now

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnstime.ch?name=www.atis.net&type=A

Spencer



From ozengine at yahoo.com.au  Thu Jun 24 17:05:34 2004
From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:05:34 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] test only
Message-ID: <20040625000534.66861.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com>

Test, might be something wrong with my email address??

Graham in Oz



Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
http://au.movies.yahoo.com


From yostsw at atis.net  Thu Jun 24 21:22:09 2004
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:22:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] System Outage - Update
References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com>
	<200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com>
	<200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200>
	<200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200>
	<200406231816100593.1B13A373@192.168.2.200>
	<200406241145380078.1ED4722F@192.168.2.200>
	<200406241734500359.201437E1@192.168.2.200>
Message-ID: <200406250022090828.2189228E@192.168.2.200>

DNS is mostly propagated and most everyone should be able to get to ATIS,
certainly by morning for the remainder of you.   Traffic is starting to
move again.

However, I did go ahead, while traffic was light, bring down mail services
for a few hours late tonight (10-12) while I installed the virus software
and upgraded the SPAM filtering software.   During this time those of you
that could get to ATIS, well couldn't get to ATIS (-;  -  not with an email
message anyways.

The upgrade was something that was planned for the very near term and I
figured, why not now.   I wanted to get it done yesterday but didn't have
all the software I needed.

Good night and take care,

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net



From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Jun 23 21:10:59 2004
From: frappi at wcoil.com (frappi at wcoil.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:10:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine in Washington State USA 
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040624001059.00897180@pop3.wcoil.com>

For some reason I can not seem to figure out I am not getting my regular
notes from the list, so if anyone can help, email me directly.   Thanks,
Mark     frappi at wcoil.com


  

Mark Shulaw            GOD BLESS THE USA! 
454 Co. Rd. 33              
Bluffton, Ohio 45817        <frappi at wcoil.com>  419-358-5206



From bercar at shenhgts.net  Thu Jun 24 18:52:48 2004
From: bercar at shenhgts.net (Bernie)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:52:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] System Outage - Update
In-Reply-To: <200406241734500359.201437E1@192.168.2.200>
Message-ID: <ILEPJHGCGMNODDKDIEFAOEFDCGAA.bercar@shenhgts.net>

just as a note, i ran the dns test from here 10 times and got "F" each time.

Im wondering if some people have their dns servers setup to refresh every 7
days instead of 3 like it should be....

bernie

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Spencer
Yost
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 5:35 PM
To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com;
farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com;
antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com;
ford-ferguson at lists.antique-tractor.com;
steam-engine at lists.stationary-engine.com;
ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] System Outage - Update


I am starting to see a marked increase in web traffic and know for sure
most if not all AOL users can get through just fine.   I just answered some
mail from a few as a matter of fact.  All root DNS servers are now all
reporting correct information and its just a matter of time before the
information your ISP has cached expires and your ISP DNS servers must look
it up.  They will get the right information then.

If your ISP is small and very helpful, you may be able to call them up and
ask them to "flush" their DNS servers' caches.  This will speed up the
process of getting to my servers.   Don't even bother calling the big guys
with that favor (-;

By the way, here is the DNS timing test link.  We're getting As and A+s now

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnstime.ch?name=www.atis.net&type=A

Spencer

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From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Jun 24 19:41:54 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:41:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SCAM alert
References: <000e01c4598a$9b28ae70$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>
Message-ID: <02c901c45a5d$fa362f90$0400a8c0@Dave>

> Just a word to let everyone know that there is a party offering the
> Industrial Iron Works engine that my Dad and I had on e-bay last week for
> sale at $6K.
> This not true, the engine failed to make the reserve and is not at this
time
> for sale.
> Ted Brookover

Thanks for the heads up Ted! Who is the guy? I tried e-bay, but couldn't
find the IIW.
    Dave
PS, Another scam that we all need to be aware of is the following:
    If someone comes to your front door saying they are conducting a survey
    on deer ticks and asks you to take your clothes off, do not do it! IT IS
    A SCAM; they only want to see you naked.
    I wish I'd gotten this yesterday. I feel so stupid and cheap now....



From nancydick at keyconn.net  Fri Jun 25 08:18:07 2004
From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:18:07 -0800
Subject: [SEL] test only
In-Reply-To: <20040625000534.66861.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20040625071704.00b71db8@mail.keyconn.net>

Yes it is coming through backwards
R Fink
PA



At 10:05 AM 6/25/2004 +1000, you wrote:
>Test, might be something wrong with my email address??
>
>Graham in Oz
>
>
>
>Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
>http://au.movies.yahoo.com
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Fri Jun 25 04:41:05 2004
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 04:41:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Sandwich Engine Show
In-Reply-To: <000c01c45aa5$e4abbb20$6718a4cb@userk3rkcanzew>
Message-ID: <20040625114105.24350.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>



Just wanted to invite every one who is in the neighborhood to the Sandwich
Early Day Gas Engine Club Show this weekend.  Saturday and Sunday June
26-27 in Sandwich, Illinois at the Sandwich Fairgrounds.  (Just north of
the airport/Rt 34).  This years feature is Massey Harris Engines &
Tractors.

More info on the club page at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/

See you there.  

Steve


=====
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Steve Barr                N9NDE            Downers Grove, IL
          http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr
                      stevebarr at ameritech.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Fri Jun 25 04:45:11 2004
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 04:45:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Show Photos
In-Reply-To: <000c01c45aa5$e4abbb20$6718a4cb@userk3rkcanzew>
Message-ID: <20040625114511.32592.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com>

I have added show photos from the Evansville,IN and Lyons Farm in
Yorkville IL shows to my web space.

Evansville:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2004siam1.htm

Lyons Farm:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2004LyonsFarmSpring1.htm

I also have photos and results from the Chris Kabele auciton on my page 
at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/AuctionReports/2004Kabele1.htm

Enjoy

Steve



From BillMil357 at aol.com  Fri Jun 25 06:18:00 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:18:00 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Show Photos
Message-ID: <198.2b4fa8a7.2e0d8008@aol.com>

Hey Steve;

Sure enjoyed your new pictures, thanks for showing them.

See Ya,

Bill Miller
Memphis, TN.


From pmaples at anaxis.net  Fri Jun 25 06:19:55 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 08:19:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
Message-ID: <00a301c45ab7$1ec79d90$c9f70cd1@VAIO>

Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and since I
have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to the group.
Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out? I know you
have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that somewhere out
in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and submitted
his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just once but
still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.

Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year but I don't
remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight, hearing, and
reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has done this
let me hear about your results.

I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have someone that
has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost for a
normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder, at least
not just yet.

Thanks




From don.h at wcoil.com  Fri Jun 25 06:49:33 2004
From: don.h at wcoil.com (don)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:49:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
References: <00a301c45ab7$1ec79d90$c9f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <002e01c45abb$3f502e20$6401a8c0@shop>

Hi Paul.
I have a Power Coat outfit from Eastwood Co. Now there is a set of heat
lamps you can use to powder kote big iron with so no oven is needed I have
not bought a set of lamps to try this out with ( there a little price e for
home use ) but my buddy has a set he used in his body shop.
The big  problem in trying to paint any big engine is getting every  part of
the casting smoth and dirt, greese free just as if you where useing any kind
of paint. if you use body shop mud,iceing it has to be able to with stand
400 degrees at 20 or 30 minuits. there is a body filler with metal in it
that you can use. Powder coat is neat its messy cause your blowing a powder
on the metal parts with the help of static electricty to suck it( the
powder ) into all the cracks and crevices then heat is used to melt the
powder in to a very nice hig gloss finish There is a art into powder coating
just like spray painting its not quite as easy to do as it sounds do a
search on powder coating here on the net and you will find out a better
explani then what i can do.
good luck
Don in Ohio
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 9:19 AM
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines


> Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and since I
> have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to the
group.
> Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out? I know
you
> have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that somewhere
out
> in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and submitted
> his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just once
but
> still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
>
> Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year but I
don't
> remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight, hearing, and
> reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has done this
> let me hear about your results.
>
> I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have someone
that
> has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost for a
> normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder, at
least
> not just yet.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From pmaples at anaxis.net  Fri Jun 25 06:54:17 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 08:54:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
References: <00a301c45ab7$1ec79d90$c9f70cd1@VAIO>
	<002e01c45abb$3f502e20$6401a8c0@shop>
Message-ID: <00c201c45abb$ebd00800$c9f70cd1@VAIO>

Thanks Don for this information. I gather from your message that you have
not actually tired it on an engine yet?

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "don" <don.h at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines


> Hi Paul.
> I have a Power Coat outfit from Eastwood Co. Now there is a set of heat
> lamps you can use to powder kote big iron with so no oven is needed I have
> not bought a set of lamps to try this out with ( there a little price e
for
> home use ) but my buddy has a set he used in his body shop.
> The big  problem in trying to paint any big engine is getting every  part
of
> the casting smoth and dirt, greese free just as if you where useing any
kind
> of paint. if you use body shop mud,iceing it has to be able to with stand
> 400 degrees at 20 or 30 minuits. there is a body filler with metal in it
> that you can use. Powder coat is neat its messy cause your blowing a
powder
> on the metal parts with the help of static electricty to suck it( the
> powder ) into all the cracks and crevices then heat is used to melt the
> powder in to a very nice hig gloss finish There is a art into powder
coating
> just like spray painting its not quite as easy to do as it sounds do a
> search on powder coating here on the net and you will find out a better
> explani then what i can do.
> good luck
> Don in Ohio
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 9:19 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
>
>
> > Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and since
I
> > have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to the
> group.
> > Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out? I know
> you
> > have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that somewhere
> out
> > in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and
submitted
> > his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just once
> but
> > still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
> >
> > Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year but I
> don't
> > remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight, hearing,
and
> > reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has done
this
> > let me hear about your results.
> >
> > I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have someone
> that
> > has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost for a
> > normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder, at
> least
> > not just yet.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 25 07:18:45 2004
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:18:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Arnie Where are you?
Message-ID: <BAY12-F114NjuIooYCW000114af@hotmail.com>

Hi Dave,  Hope you guys have a great time at the rally. Please send lots of 
pictures as I'm sure Arnie is very busy writing and may not have any time to 
take pictures!  Thanks for the report, Steve Royster


>From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie Where are you?
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:07:17 +0100
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:21 PM
>Subject: RE: [SEL] Arnie Where are you?
>
>
> >
> > Hey Arnie, Where are you? I have your  Bamford/ Millars book ready to 
>mail
> > but you never sent me a snail mail address. Did you get so busy 
>finishing
>up
> >   TYRA III and IV that you forgot so send it?  Steve Royster
>
>Hi Steve, He left it so late writing about England that he forgot
>what we are like.
>As a result he is back here having a reminder.
>I should be meeting him again on Saturday at the 1000 engine rally.
>
>Dave Croft
>Warrington
>England.
>
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From bercar at shenhgts.net  Fri Jun 25 08:06:34 2004
From: bercar at shenhgts.net (Bernie)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:06:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
In-Reply-To: <00a301c45ab7$1ec79d90$c9f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <ILEPJHGCGMNODDKDIEFAOEFJCGAA.bercar@shenhgts.net>

i have the outfit from eastwood, and power coat things from time to time.
Yes there is a nack to powder coating.  Anyone can powder coat anything,
however doing it right, and doint it that it will last is another thing.
when powder coating is done right, you wont get the coating off without a
struggle.

i setup a test piece one time to see just how hard powder coating is when
done right.
you cant sandblast it (unless your willing to stand there hours on end
working on one little area).
you cant polish it off with a buffer (uless you want to stang there untill
the coating gets to hot and melts off, or you wear it off, in other words a
very long time).
Burning with a torch takes a long time as not everything comes off you have
to heat, and clean, and repeat
they only thing i could do to get it off was cutting it in some way, either
grinding, or filing, or sawing, etc....

its one hard coating.  The test piece BTW was cast.  This coating is
resistant to gas, and oil. one problem is tho, you cant use it on gas tanks
as when you heat it you melt the solder out of the joints on the tank.
Only side effect is if its put on a head, it will discolor and flake. now
there is hightemp coatings you can get that will withstand higher temps
(eastwoods high-temp powder goes to 1000 deg)

professional jobs cost the same as a pofessional paint job.
heres a list from a place in california
http://www.powdercoater.com/autoprices.htm

i currently have an engine awaiting powder coating, when i decide to get to
it.  Problem is i dont have an oven big enough to hold the block (IHC M - 1
1/2), and i refuse to use a heat lamp as i an unable to properly prep that
part, and get a good cure that i like.  I have plans to build a large oven
as i from time to time have a need for one, but as with everything, didnt
get around to building it yet.

bernie


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Paul Maples
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 9:20 AM
To: Stationary Engine List
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines


Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and since I
have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to the group.
Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out? I know you
have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that somewhere out
in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and submitted
his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just once but
still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.

Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year but I don't
remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight, hearing, and
reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has done this
let me hear about your results.

I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have someone that
has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost for a
normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder, at least
not just yet.

Thanks


_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Fri Jun 25 08:21:04 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (diesel at easynet.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:21:04 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
In-Reply-To: <00a301c45ab7$1ec79d90$c9f70cd1@VAIO>
References: <00a301c45ab7$1ec79d90$c9f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <1088176864.40dc42e0d91ba@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk>

Quoting Paul Maples <pmaples at anaxis.net>:

> Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and since I
> have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to the group.
> Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out? I know you
> have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that somewhere out
> in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and submitted
> his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just once but
> still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
> 
> Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year but I don't
> remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight, hearing, and
> reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has done this
> let me hear about your results.
> 
> I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have someone that
> has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost for a
> normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder, at least
> not just yet.
> 
> Thanks

Hi Paul:

We use powder coating for all our commercial products at the factory, and did 
have a couple of engines shot blasted then powder coated some time ago.

A few things I would comment on:

1) The powder will soften with heat, so areas around the cylinder head for 
example will discolour.

2) The powder is put on electrostaically so complex shapes can be difficult to 
get powder into, so some retouching may be required.

3) The coating is thicker than paint by some distance, so it does tend to smooth 
over surface imperfections. If you like to see all the casting marks etc, you 
may find that powder is too good a finish.

4) It is not easily polished and takes scratches easily. Some solvents will 
attack the surface, depending on whether you have Polyester or Polyurethane 
powder. Polyester is the hardest wearing and used for outdoors, the other is for 
indoors use.

5) It needs a good key to hang on to the surface, so shotblasting first is a 
good idea. 

6) Zinc spraying after shotblasting but before powder coating is very good for 
things that sit outdoors all the time like trailer chassis etc.

We still have the two engines BTW, both are staying in the collection.

Peter
-- 

Peter Forbes
diesel at easynet.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

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From dave.croft at boltblue.com  Thu Jun 24 05:06:10 2004
From: dave.croft at boltblue.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:06:10 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Balls
References: <022101c4598d$05e6f760$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <000901c459e3$a4e16660$afaafea9@nemesis>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:46 AM
Subject: [SEL] Balls


Hi Rob,
    Please send me one set of balls. I don't need any at the moment, but I
know that Arnie is having a bit of trouble with his balls. (It started last
year when we were at Portland and neither Bambi nor Nitro showed up and he
went off with some gal he met in the flea market area--but I digress.) Arnie
is currently in the UK and may miss your post. I'll even up with you at
Portland if that's OK--if not I'll snail the $7.00 to you. let me know!
    Dave
PS, As a mater of fact, just bring the balls to Portland with you and I'll
pick them up there.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:08 PM
Subject: [SEL] Check Balls for Pumps - 10 bags available
snip

Hi Dave, If it keeps raining & windy the way it has for the last few days, Arnie
will be coming back to the USA with his balls well washed & blow dried. 8^)
Dave Croft.








From falcon at telenet.net  Fri Jun 25 08:31:52 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:31:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
References: <00a301c45ab7$1ec79d90$c9f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <00ed01c45ac9$8a90faa0$8a1117d1@net.telenet.net>

Not one of mine, but a few. I spent a few years in a powder/liquid shop.
Coated things with powder that even the manufacturers
were shocked by.  Anyway..
There are two big things with coating an engine. One is getting it
clean, that you can do by sandblasting it then baking it for an hour or
two then giving it another light blast. That will remove the original
paint, and the baking will outgas any oil/water/whatever in the cast
iron, the follow-up blasting is to clean anything that made it to the
surface off. ( this step is critical on ANY cast item that has been near
oil EVER).
The second one is deciding if you want an as cast finish OR do you want
a smooth finish. As cast you just final blast preheat and coat. For a
smooth finish you need to grind the cast smooth and fill pinholes/cracks
with brass before the final wipe down. Then preheat and coat.

I have seen a lot of plans for homemade ovens BUT you only need a well
insulated box large enough to cover the engine, a heat source capable of
350-400 degrees and a way to power the source. One of the neat things we
had in the shop was a  set of infrared heater units that worked pretty
well, they were a LOT like the propane powered wall mount heaters (just
electric), they heated the parts and not the air around them. If you
used a pair of them and rotated them, or the engine, to avoid
overheating spots you could get the engine up to temp and coat it easily
enough.

Just a possible idea.
 Build a well insulated shed (use steel studs, tin siding/interior,
10 -12" fiberglass insulation) Or find one of the outdoor freezer units
like they use at McDonalds, Dunkin Doughnuts and a bunch of other food
places and convert it. For heat a pair of the heater panels (strip the
safety stuff off and relocate it outside the shed since it is usually
plastic enclosed and that won't last long in a 350-400 degree box) Buy
an industrial thermostat with a timer. In the middle of the floor attach
a sturdy turntable (powered with an external motor kept outside the box)
Mount the heat panels on arms from the ceiling that can be adjusted
in/out.  That completes the oven. BUT it also makes a nice sandblast
cabinet as well (just cover the heat panels).

Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 9:19 AM
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines


> Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and
since I
> have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to the
group.
> Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out? I
know you
> have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that
somewhere out
> in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and
submitted
> his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just
once but
> still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
>
> Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year but I
don't
> remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight, hearing,
and
> reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has done
this
> let me hear about your results.
>
> I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have
someone that
> has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost for a
> normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder, at
least
> not just yet.
>
> Thanks
>
>
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From driggars at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 25 09:19:10 2004
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:19:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
References: <00a301c45ab7$1ec79d90$c9f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <00b001c45ad0$26f05ac0$150fe204@clinton>


Paul

Good topic!  From what I know, (not much...)

You have to use a special powder coat that is heat resistant, then just
having a way to bake the size of parts

You can build make shift ovens, etc using heated lamps, etc. or if the
engine parts are small enough, a regular electric oven will do

I picked up a double electric oven at my local country auction for 1.00

I would say I can do the typical Briggs engine in it

I would like to hear what others have to say myself

Clint






> Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and since I
> have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to the
group.
> Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out? I know
you
> have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that somewhere
out
> in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and submitted
> his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just once
but
> still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
>
> Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year but I
don't
> remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight, hearing, and
> reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has done this
> let me hear about your results.
>
> I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have someone
that
> has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost for a
> normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder, at
least
> not just yet.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Jun 25 09:22:21 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:22:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
References: <00a301c45ab7$1ec79d90$c9f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <40DC513D.2010907@imc-group.com>

Paul,
Interesting you should mention this. We have a new neighbor and it turns 
out he owns a powder coat business. We were talking last night and he 
has discovered he can powder coat over small amounts of Bondo. So it is 
possible to do some smoothing on your engine with filler and then still 
be able to have it powder coated. I was most surprised that the filler 
held up to the 400?F curing temps.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Paul Maples wrote:

>Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and since I
>have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to the group.
>Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out? I know you
>have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that somewhere out
>in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and submitted
>his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just once but
>still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
>
>Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year but I don't
>remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight, hearing, and
>reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has done this
>let me hear about your results.
>
>I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have someone that
>has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost for a
>normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder, at least
>not just yet.
>
>Thanks
>
>
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From don.h at wcoil.com  Fri Jun 25 09:48:50 2004
From: don.h at wcoil.com (don)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:48:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
References: <00a301c45ab7$1ec79d90$c9f70cd1@VAIO><002e01c45abb$3f502e20$6401a8c0@shop>
	<00c201c45abb$ebd00800$c9f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <000b01c45ad4$4b165d60$6401a8c0@shop>

Thats right it would be a lot of work filling all the castings and sanding
them smooth.. But  I,m sure a powder coat job would be neat.. I was lucky to
get a frame for my cushman powder coated  ( Goverment job  hi hi ) but I had
it sandblasted and all ready to go.. You would have to take a engine all
apart to sand blast fill all the rough parts with mud  sand till it ,s like
a new babys bottom . ect
I,v seen a couple engines around our local show that are very nice all fixed
up this way .But then of course your always wipeing them clean.. a couple
yrs ago I re did a t-craft ( 1940) airplane the fellow i  sold it to who
always is rebuilding something , ie cushmans ,airplanes, indian 4s  all the
good toys once told me the only trouble with doing such a nice job on the
stuff is you cant hardly get it dirty or some one will call you on the
carpet for getting it dirty.
Come to Findlay Ohio show and look at DR Daves nice engines there  nice
Don in Ohio*-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines


> Thanks Don for this information. I gather from your message that you have
> not actually tired it on an engine yet?
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "don" <don.h at wcoil.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
>
>
> > Hi Paul.
> > I have a Power Coat outfit from Eastwood Co. Now there is a set of heat
> > lamps you can use to powder kote big iron with so no oven is needed I
have
> > not bought a set of lamps to try this out with ( there a little price e
> for
> > home use ) but my buddy has a set he used in his body shop.
> > The big  problem in trying to paint any big engine is getting every
part
> of
> > the casting smoth and dirt, greese free just as if you where useing any
> kind
> > of paint. if you use body shop mud,iceing it has to be able to with
stand
> > 400 degrees at 20 or 30 minuits. there is a body filler with metal in it
> > that you can use. Powder coat is neat its messy cause your blowing a
> powder
> > on the metal parts with the help of static electricty to suck it( the
> > powder ) into all the cracks and crevices then heat is used to melt the
> > powder in to a very nice hig gloss finish There is a art into powder
> coating
> > just like spray painting its not quite as easy to do as it sounds do a
> > search on powder coating here on the net and you will find out a better
> > explani then what i can do.
> > good luck
> > Don in Ohio
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> > To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 9:19 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
> >
> >
> > > Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and
since
> I
> > > have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to the
> > group.
> > > Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out? I
know
> > you
> > > have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that
somewhere
> > out
> > > in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and
> submitted
> > > his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just
once
> > but
> > > still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
> > >
> > > Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year but I
> > don't
> > > remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight, hearing,
> and
> > > reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has done
> this
> > > let me hear about your results.
> > >
> > > I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have
someone
> > that
> > > has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost for a
> > > normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder, at
> > least
> > > not just yet.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
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From ignitors at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jun 25 11:50:40 2004
From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:50:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
References: <00a301c45ab7$1ec79d90$c9f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <001801c45ae5$50a1ad00$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>

When I was in the Radiator repair business, a fellow brought in the radiator
and overflow tank from a 56 T Bird he was restoring. I odered him a new core
for the radiator and re-soldered all the seams and installed a new neck on
the overflow tank. He had asked that I not paint either piece, so I guessed
he was going to have his paint guy do a really fine job on them.

A few days later he walked in with the overflow tank, and wanted to know if
I thought it could be saved, he had taken it to the powder coater and they
melted all the solder out of the seams and the new neck fell off.
Ted Brookover
4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
816-763-3142
ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page,
http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:19 AM
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines


> Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and since I
> have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to the
group.
> Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out? I know
you
> have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that somewhere
out
> in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and submitted
> his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just once
but
> still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
>
> Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year but I
don't
> remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight, hearing, and
> reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has done this
> let me hear about your results.
>
> I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have someone
that
> has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost for a
> normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder, at
least
> not just yet.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jun 25 12:57:34 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:57:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
Message-ID: <20040625.155744.588.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Guys - 
Good point on the radiator, Ted.
Happens alot on re-chroming - the brass gets eaten in the acid.

In any case - I don't know what "Powder Coating" is.  I always thought it
was like 
spray painting but, apparently, not.
What's the idea of using heat ?
The powder IS sprayed on - RIGHT ?
Isn't it just like paint but tougher ?

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -   
 \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:50:40 -0500 "Ted Brookover"
<ignitors at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> When I was in the Radiator repair business, a fellow brought in the 
> radiator
> and overflow tank from a 56 T Bird he was restoring. I odered him a 
> new core
> for the radiator and re-soldered all the seams and installed a new 
> neck on
> the overflow tank. He had asked that I not paint either piece, so I 
> guessed
> he was going to have his paint guy do a really fine job on them.
> 
> A few days later he walked in with the overflow tank, and wanted to 
> know if
> I thought it could be saved, he had taken it to the powder coater 
> and they
> melted all the solder out of the seams and the new neck fell off.
> Ted Brookover
> 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
> Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
> 816-763-3142
> ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page,
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
> Ignitor ID Page, 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm
> 
> This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:19 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
> 
> 
> > Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and 
> since I
> > have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to 
> the
> group.
> > Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out? 
> I know
> you
> > have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that 
> somewhere
> out
> > in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and 
> submitted
> > his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just 
> once
> but
> > still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
> >
> > Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year 
> but I
> don't
> > remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight, 
> hearing, and
> > reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has 
> done this
> > let me hear about your results.
> >
> > I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have 
> someone
> that
> > has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost 
> for a
> > normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder, 
> at
> least
> > not just yet.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
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From falcon at telenet.net  Fri Jun 25 13:29:02 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:29:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
References: <20040625.155744.588.1.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c45af3$0dfdb4e0$761117d1@net.telenet.net>

Powder coating uses a ground plasticized powder that is applied to a
clean surface with an electrostatic charge.
Then the part is heated up to 300-400^ and baked to flow and cure the
powder. Then you let it cool and Presto your done...

If applied properly to a clean and prepped material it will last a lot
longer than any liquid paint. BUT it also has a problem if the material
underneath starts to corrode, the powder will mask that and the part can
fail without you knowing it.

Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines


> Hi Guys -
> Good point on the radiator, Ted.
> Happens alot on re-chroming - the brass gets eaten in the acid.
>
> In any case - I don't know what "Powder Coating" is.  I always thought
it
> was like
> spray painting but, apparently, not.
> What's the idea of using heat ?
> The powder IS sprayed on - RIGHT ?
> Isn't it just like paint but tougher ?
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com
>  ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -
>  \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>
> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:50:40 -0500 "Ted Brookover"
> <ignitors at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> > When I was in the Radiator repair business, a fellow brought in the
> > radiator
> > and overflow tank from a 56 T Bird he was restoring. I odered him a
> > new core
> > for the radiator and re-soldered all the seams and installed a new
> > neck on
> > the overflow tank. He had asked that I not paint either piece, so I
> > guessed
> > he was going to have his paint guy do a really fine job on them.
> >
> > A few days later he walked in with the overflow tank, and wanted to
> > know if
> > I thought it could be saved, he had taken it to the powder coater
> > and they
> > melted all the solder out of the seams and the new neck fell off.
> > Ted Brookover
> > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
> > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
> > 816-763-3142
> > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page,
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
> > Ignitor ID Page,
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm
> >
> > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> > To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:19 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
> >
> >
> > > Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and
> > since I
> > > have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to
> > the
> > group.
> > > Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out?
> > I know
> > you
> > > have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that
> > somewhere
> > out
> > > in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and
> > submitted
> > > his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just
> > once
> > but
> > > still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
> > >
> > > Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year
> > but I
> > don't
> > > remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight,
> > hearing, and
> > > reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has
> > done this
> > > let me hear about your results.
> > >
> > > I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have
> > someone
> > that
> > > has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost
> > for a
> > > normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder,
> > at
> > least
> > > not just yet.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> >
> >
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From falcon at telenet.net  Fri Jun 25 13:34:38 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:34:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
References: <ILEPJHGCGMNODDKDIEFAOEFJCGAA.bercar@shenhgts.net>
Message-ID: <003801c45af3$d7b91400$761117d1@net.telenet.net>

Bernie,
  The durability depends a LOT on powder type. However if the material
is heavy enough we used a burn off oven.
The Bayco we had could melt aluminum easily when it was cooking. The
other method we used was a special
stripping bath. It would take off any powder we used, but you had to be
careful with aluminum as well. Then we
also used a sandblaster on some stuff.

It is the one thing I miss about working there, no longer have as much
access to get stuff done.

Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bernie" <bercar at shenhgts.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 11:06 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines


> i have the outfit from eastwood, and power coat things from time to
time.
> Yes there is a nack to powder coating.  Anyone can powder coat
anything,
> however doing it right, and doint it that it will last is another
thing.
> when powder coating is done right, you wont get the coating off
without a
> struggle.
>
> i setup a test piece one time to see just how hard powder coating is
when
> done right.
> you cant sandblast it (unless your willing to stand there hours on end
> working on one little area).
> you cant polish it off with a buffer (uless you want to stang there
untill
> the coating gets to hot and melts off, or you wear it off, in other
words a
> very long time).
> Burning with a torch takes a long time as not everything comes off you
have
> to heat, and clean, and repeat
> they only thing i could do to get it off was cutting it in some way,
either
> grinding, or filing, or sawing, etc....
>
> its one hard coating.  The test piece BTW was cast.  This coating is
> resistant to gas, and oil. one problem is tho, you cant use it on gas
tanks
> as when you heat it you melt the solder out of the joints on the tank.
> Only side effect is if its put on a head, it will discolor and flake.
now
> there is hightemp coatings you can get that will withstand higher
temps
> (eastwoods high-temp powder goes to 1000 deg)
>
> professional jobs cost the same as a pofessional paint job.
> heres a list from a place in california
> http://www.powdercoater.com/autoprices.htm
>
> i currently have an engine awaiting powder coating, when i decide to
get to
> it.  Problem is i dont have an oven big enough to hold the block (IHC
M - 1
> 1/2), and i refuse to use a heat lamp as i an unable to properly prep
that
> part, and get a good cure that i like.  I have plans to build a large
oven
> as i from time to time have a need for one, but as with everything,
didnt
> get around to building it yet.
>
> bernie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Paul
Maples
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 9:20 AM
> To: Stationary Engine List
> Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
>
>
> Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and
since I
> have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to the
group.
> Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out? I
know you
> have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that
somewhere out
> in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and
submitted
> his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just
once but
> still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
>
> Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year but I
don't
> remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight, hearing,
and
> reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has done
this
> let me hear about your results.
>
> I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have
someone that
> has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost for a
> normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder, at
least
> not just yet.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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>
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From ignitors at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jun 25 13:55:14 2004
From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:55:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
References: <20040625.155744.588.1.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <001601c45af6$b73d7790$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>

It starts out as a powder Joe, and is applied with the aid of electrostatic
charging, but must be "Baked" the powder melts and runs together forming a
porcelain like surface that is just about bullet proof.

It's great for items that are likely to get chipped like motor cycle frames
or hot rod chassis parts, but to me it is way more expense and trouble than
what is needed for a gas engine.

I have for years been using Dupont Centari acrylic enamel applied to a
sandblasted engine block with NO primer, that's right, I said NO Primer.

This makes for a very tuff finish that will not chip like it will if you put
the soft primer under it.

Ted Brookover
4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
816-763-3142
ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page,
http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines


> Hi Guys -
> Good point on the radiator, Ted.
> Happens alot on re-chroming - the brass gets eaten in the acid.
>
> In any case - I don't know what "Powder Coating" is.  I always thought it
> was like
> spray painting but, apparently, not.
> What's the idea of using heat ?
> The powder IS sprayed on - RIGHT ?
> Isn't it just like paint but tougher ?
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com
>  ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -
>  \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>
> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:50:40 -0500 "Ted Brookover"
> <ignitors at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> > When I was in the Radiator repair business, a fellow brought in the
> > radiator
> > and overflow tank from a 56 T Bird he was restoring. I odered him a
> > new core
> > for the radiator and re-soldered all the seams and installed a new
> > neck on
> > the overflow tank. He had asked that I not paint either piece, so I
> > guessed
> > he was going to have his paint guy do a really fine job on them.
> >
> > A few days later he walked in with the overflow tank, and wanted to
> > know if
> > I thought it could be saved, he had taken it to the powder coater
> > and they
> > melted all the solder out of the seams and the new neck fell off.
> > Ted Brookover
> > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
> > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
> > 816-763-3142
> > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page,
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
> > Ignitor ID Page,
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm
> >
> > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> > To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:19 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
> >
> >
> > > Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and
> > since I
> > > have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to
> > the
> > group.
> > > Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out?
> > I know
> > you
> > > have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that
> > somewhere
> > out
> > > in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and
> > submitted
> > > his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just
> > once
> > but
> > > still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
> > >
> > > Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year
> > but I
> > don't
> > > remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight,
> > hearing, and
> > > reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has
> > done this
> > > let me hear about your results.
> > >
> > > I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have
> > someone
> > that
> > > has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost
> > for a
> > > normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder,
> > at
> > least
> > > not just yet.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jun 25 14:02:42 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:02:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
In-Reply-To: <001601c45af6$b73d7790$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>
Message-ID: <000601c45af7$c38b8860$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

Ted - what about "fuel proofness"?
I've found the enamel will wrinkle and lift, even if left sit for a few
weeks prior to use.
Comments?

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ted Brookover
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 3:55 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines


It starts out as a powder Joe, and is applied with the aid of electrostatic
charging, but must be "Baked" the powder melts and runs together forming a
porcelain like surface that is just about bullet proof.

It's great for items that are likely to get chipped like motor cycle frames
or hot rod chassis parts, but to me it is way more expense and trouble than
what is needed for a gas engine.

I have for years been using Dupont Centari acrylic enamel applied to a
sandblasted engine block with NO primer, that's right, I said NO Primer.

This makes for a very tuff finish that will not chip like it will if you put
the soft primer under it.

Ted Brookover
4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
816-763-3142
ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page,
http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines


> Hi Guys -
> Good point on the radiator, Ted.
> Happens alot on re-chroming - the brass gets eaten in the acid.
>
> In any case - I don't know what "Powder Coating" is.  I always thought 
> it was like spray painting but, apparently, not.
> What's the idea of using heat ?
> The powder IS sprayed on - RIGHT ?
> Isn't it just like paint but tougher ?
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com
>  ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -
>  \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>
> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:50:40 -0500 "Ted Brookover" 
> <ignitors at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> > When I was in the Radiator repair business, a fellow brought in the 
> > radiator and overflow tank from a 56 T Bird he was restoring. I 
> > odered him a new core
> > for the radiator and re-soldered all the seams and installed a new
> > neck on
> > the overflow tank. He had asked that I not paint either piece, so I
> > guessed
> > he was going to have his paint guy do a really fine job on them.
> >
> > A few days later he walked in with the overflow tank, and wanted to 
> > know if I thought it could be saved, he had taken it to the powder 
> > coater and they
> > melted all the solder out of the seams and the new neck fell off.
> > Ted Brookover
> > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
> > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
> > 816-763-3142
> > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page,
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
> > Ignitor ID Page,
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm
> >
> > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> > To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:19 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
> >
> >
> > > Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and
> > since I
> > > have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to
> > the
> > group.
> > > Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out?
> > I know
> > you
> > > have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that
> > somewhere
> > out
> > > in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and
> > submitted
> > > his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just
> > once
> > but
> > > still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
> > >
> > > Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year
> > but I
> > don't
> > > remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight,
> > hearing, and
> > > reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has
> > done this
> > > let me hear about your results.
> > >
> > > I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have
> > someone
> > that
> > > has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost
> > for a
> > > normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder,
> > at
> > least
> > > not just yet.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 25 14:31:41 2004
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:31:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Rivets
Message-ID: <001c01c45afb$cf67e440$fcf5f504@x8h7l9>

I was replacing the bearing in an idler pulley today and when I went to rivet it back together I was stumped. How does one form the nice rounded head on the rivets? I have the rivets that fit the hole but I have never had a special tool to form the heads. The rivets I have are hollow.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT





From ignitors at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jun 25 15:05:15 2004
From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:05:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
References: <000601c45af7$c38b8860$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>
Message-ID: <000701c45b00$7f092590$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>

Centari used with the hardener will not be bothered by Gasolene.

Ted Brookover
4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
816-763-3142
ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page,
http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 4:02 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines


> Ted - what about "fuel proofness"?
> I've found the enamel will wrinkle and lift, even if left sit for a few
> weeks prior to use.
> Comments?
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ted
Brookover
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 3:55 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
>
>
> It starts out as a powder Joe, and is applied with the aid of
electrostatic
> charging, but must be "Baked" the powder melts and runs together forming a
> porcelain like surface that is just about bullet proof.
>
> It's great for items that are likely to get chipped like motor cycle
frames
> or hot rod chassis parts, but to me it is way more expense and trouble
than
> what is needed for a gas engine.
>
> I have for years been using Dupont Centari acrylic enamel applied to a
> sandblasted engine block with NO primer, that's right, I said NO Primer.
>
> This makes for a very tuff finish that will not chip like it will if you
put
> the soft primer under it.
>
> Ted Brookover
> 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
> Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
> 816-763-3142
> ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page,
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
> Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm
>
> This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 2:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
>
>
> > Hi Guys -
> > Good point on the radiator, Ted.
> > Happens alot on re-chroming - the brass gets eaten in the acid.
> >
> > In any case - I don't know what "Powder Coating" is.  I always thought
> > it was like spray painting but, apparently, not.
> > What's the idea of using heat ?
> > The powder IS sprayed on - RIGHT ?
> > Isn't it just like paint but tougher ?
> >
> > Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> > jlb94 at juno.com
> >  ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -
> >  \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "
> >  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> >
> > On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:50:40 -0500 "Ted Brookover"
> > <ignitors at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> > > When I was in the Radiator repair business, a fellow brought in the
> > > radiator and overflow tank from a 56 T Bird he was restoring. I
> > > odered him a new core
> > > for the radiator and re-soldered all the seams and installed a new
> > > neck on
> > > the overflow tank. He had asked that I not paint either piece, so I
> > > guessed
> > > he was going to have his paint guy do a really fine job on them.
> > >
> > > A few days later he walked in with the overflow tank, and wanted to
> > > know if I thought it could be saved, he had taken it to the powder
> > > coater and they
> > > melted all the solder out of the seams and the new neck fell off.
> > > Ted Brookover
> > > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
> > > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
> > > 816-763-3142
> > > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page,
> > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
> > > Ignitor ID Page,
> > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm
> > >
> > > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Paul Maples" <pmaples at anaxis.net>
> > > To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:19 AM
> > > Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hey Gang, things seem to be a little slow on the SEL right now and
> > > since I
> > > > have been wondering about this I thought I would throw it out to
> > > the
> > > group.
> > > > Has anyone powder coated an engine and if so how did it come out?
> > > I know
> > > you
> > > > have to have one heck of an oven to do this and I figured that
> > > somewhere
> > > out
> > > > in cyberspace someone has bound to have built a homemade one and
> > > submitted
> > > > his plans. Probably have to sell the wife and kids to fire it just
> > > once
> > > but
> > > > still would like to know the feasibility of such a project.
> > > >
> > > > Someone mentioned that this might have been discussed last year
> > > but I
> > > don't
> > > > remember seeing it but then again age is affecting my sight,
> > > hearing, and
> > > > reasoning ability so you will have to forgive me. If anyone has
> > > done this
> > > > let me hear about your results.
> > > >
> > > > I guess another option would be to get the parts ready and have
> > > someone
> > > that
> > > > has the setup do the powder coating, wonder what this would cost
> > > for a
> > > > normal size 3 to 6 HP engine? Hey it don't cost a penny to wonder,
> > > at
> > > least
> > > > not just yet.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > SEL mailing list
> > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Jun 25 15:18:24 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:18:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Balls
References: <022101c4598d$05e6f760$0400a8c0@Dave>
	<000901c459e3$a4e16660$afaafea9@nemesis>
Message-ID: <043b01c45b02$5566a8f0$0400a8c0@Dave>

> Hi Dave, If it keeps raining & windy the way it has for the last few days,
Arnie
> will be coming back to the USA with his balls well washed & blow dried.
8^)
> Dave Croft.

Hi Dave,
    Arnie has come back to our motel at engine shows many times like that in
the USA. I had no idea that the same service was available in the UK!
    Dave



From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 25 15:37:20 2004
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:37:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Rivets
In-Reply-To: <001c01c45afb$cf67e440$fcf5f504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <20040625223720.60388.qmail@web14101.mail.yahoo.com>

Ed,
There are anvils available that form the round head. There also is backup anvils to keep the rivit head shape on the other side.
Ron

ED <edstoller at earthlink.net> wrote:
I was replacing the bearing in an idler pulley today and when I went to rivet it back together I was stumped. How does one form the nice rounded head on the rivets? I have the rivets that fit the hole but I have never had a special tool to form the heads. The rivets I have are hollow.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT



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From BetCleve321 at aol.com  Fri Jun 25 15:38:57 2004
From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:38:57 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Balls
Message-ID: <164.312fb478.2e0e0381@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/25/2004 6:21:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
rotigel at alltel.net writes:

Arnie
> will be coming back to the USA with his balls well washed  & blow dried.
8^)



"BALLS"! Said the Queen. "If I had two, I'd be King".
 
Anybody care to finish that?
 
 
Skip


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Fri Jun 25 15:50:28 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:50:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
In-Reply-To: <001801c45ae5$50a1ad00$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>
References: <00a301c45ab7$1ec79d90$c9f70cd1@VAIO>
	<001801c45ae5$50a1ad00$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>
Message-ID: <0DBB1957-C6FA-11D8-AE6E-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> A few days later he walked in with the overflow tank, and wanted to 
> know if
> I thought it could be saved, he had taken it to the powder coater and 
> they
> melted all the solder out of the seams and the new neck fell off.

I was wondering if this might be risky to solder and babbitt.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Fri Jun 25 15:53:10 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:53:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Balls
In-Reply-To: <043b01c45b02$5566a8f0$0400a8c0@Dave>
References: <022101c4598d$05e6f760$0400a8c0@Dave>
	<000901c459e3$a4e16660$afaafea9@nemesis>
	<043b01c45b02$5566a8f0$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <6EC028BA-C6FA-11D8-AE6E-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

>> Hi Dave, If it keeps raining & windy the way it has for the last few 
>> days,
> Arnie
>> will be coming back to the USA with his balls well washed & blow 
>> dried.
> 8^)
>> Dave Croft.

I thought Arnie'd shot his balls away with his cannon.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 25 16:07:13 2004
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 19:07:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Rivets
References: <20040625223720.60388.qmail@web14101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c45b09$27d329c0$fcf5f504@x8h7l9>

Hi Ron,

Would Sears sell these anvils? I guess it would look like a center punch of
drive pin.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Rivets


> Ed,
> There are anvils available that form the round head. There also is backup
anvils to keep the rivit head shape on the other side.
> Ron
>
> ED <edstoller at earthlink.net> wrote:
> I was replacing the bearing in an idler pulley today and when I went to
rivet it back together I was stumped. How does one form the nice rounded
head on the rivets? I have the rivets that fit the hole but I have never had
a special tool to form the heads. The rivets I have are hollow.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
>
>
>
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>
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>
>   http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
>
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>
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 25 17:22:56 2004
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:22:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Rivets
In-Reply-To: <004c01c45b09$27d329c0$fcf5f504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <20040626002256.73634.qmail@web14106.mail.yahoo.com>

Ed,
I doubt that Sears would have them. I'd try an industrial supply house od MSC or Mcmaster-Carr.
Ron

ED <edstoller at earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi Ron,

Would Sears sell these anvils? I guess it would look like a center punch of
drive pin.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Rivets


> Ed,
> There are anvils available that form the round head. There also is backup
anvils to keep the rivit head shape on the other side.
> Ron
>
> ED wrote:
> I was replacing the bearing in an idler pulley today and when I went to
rivet it back together I was stumped. How does one form the nice rounded
head on the rivets? I have the rivets that fit the hole but I have never had
a special tool to form the heads. The rivets I have are hollow.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
> Ron Frost
> Kersey, PA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
>
> " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "
>
>
>
>
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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 25 17:57:39 2004
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:57:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Rivets
In-Reply-To: <20040626002256.73634.qmail@web14106.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040626005739.76885.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com>

I have been looking for tools for setting large solid rivets, stuff in the
1/4" to 1/2" range, and have not found a source. I have some work I would
like to do that will require rivets and would be interested in knowing of
a supplier of tools. Worst case scenario is that I would have to make
them, but I know nothing of it and hate to reinvent the wheel. Like so
many things, I think the process is empirical.
Joe
--- "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ed,
> I doubt that Sears would have them. I'd try an industrial supply house
> od MSC or Mcmaster-Carr.
> Ron
> 
> ED <edstoller at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi Ron,
> 
> Would Sears sell these anvils? I guess it would look like a center punch
> of
> drive pin.
> 
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" 
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 6:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Rivets
> 
> 
> > Ed,
> > There are anvils available that form the round head. There also is
> backup
> anvils to keep the rivit head shape on the other side.
> > Ron
> >
> > ED wrote:
> > I was replacing the bearing in an idler pulley today and when I went
> to
> rivet it back together I was stumped. How does one form the nice rounded
> head on the rivets? I have the rivets that fit the hole but I have never
> had
> a special tool to form the heads. The rivets I have are hollow.
> >
> > Ed Stoller
> > New Fairfield, CT
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >
> > Ron Frost
> > Kersey, PA
> > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
> >
> > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> 
> 
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> 
>   http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
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From pmaples at anaxis.net  Fri Jun 25 18:52:06 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 20:52:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating
Message-ID: <00ef01c45b20$32ca0d00$d5f70cd1@VAIO>

Thanks guys for all of the interesting comments on this subject, I have read
and enjoyed each one of them. It looks like SEL is alive and well and this
is great.

Paul




From pmaples at anaxis.net  Fri Jun 25 19:02:53 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:02:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Transporation Help
Message-ID: <010101c45b21$b438db90$d5f70cd1@VAIO>

Hey guys I fell into a heck of a deal on a small corn chopper, a lady had it
and basically just wanted to get rid of it and my good friend George
Woodzell who lives in Schenectady, New York picked it up for me in the back
of his station wagon and now has it stored in his barn. I am looking for
someone who can pick it up at George's house and either bring it to Portland
for me or get it closer to Portland for me. He hauled it in the back of his
Volvo Station Wagon so it will easily fit into any small truck.  Can anyone
help?




From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Jun 25 19:29:41 2004
From: frappi at wcoil.com (frappi at wcoil.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:29:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine in Washington State USA 
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040625222941.008a5ce0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi All, I just got this engine is Auburn, WA. and Is there anyone near
there that could use the left  over parts? Or pick it up and bring it along
to Portland Show in August? Or any points further east then it is? The
seller is removing the mag and bracket and the carb and shipping those
parts to me and he is going to scrap the rest if nothing happens. Anyone
want the rest? Its a drag saw, most likely a Wade. Looks like good parts.
If I can't get a ride for it or nobody wants the rest its gonna be scrapped. 
I'd like to have the whole thing but shipping is too much to invest unless
I can get a ride for it              The fellow who has the engine goes
July 10 & 11 to Shelton, Washington. This may help some. 
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3822391797>

                                 Help, Thanks,  Maytag Mark



Mark Shulaw            GOD BLESS THE USA! 
454 Co. Rd. 33              
Bluffton, Ohio 45817        <frappi at wcoil.com>  419-358-5206



From falcon at telenet.net  Fri Jun 25 19:59:42 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:59:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Rivets
References: <20040626005739.76885.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004801c45b29$a1d823e0$025c14d0@net.telenet.net>

REAL easy to make rivet sets. First you need a good solid punch that is
about 50% larger that the finished rivet head. Then you need a drill
press and a set of V block to hold the punch vertical under the drill
chuck. Now use a GOOD carbide bit and oil to drill a starter hole in the
tip of the punch GO SLOW. You want to stop when the hole is JUST as
large as the outside of the finished head. Now take a piece of hardened
steel that has been ground into the final shape of the head, coat it
with some valve grinding compound and use it in place of the drill to
finish the hole. (OR you can cheat and use a Dremel or similar
grindstone to do the same thing. This gives you a hammer powered set.
You can do the same thing to a hunk of steel to act as the backer block.
For powered use start with an air hammer punch instead. I have some up
to 9/16" that are used in an air hammer (I also have an old CP riveter
that handles up to 5/16")

OR buy a set from Snap-On.

Now if your going to be using these tools to set rivets on mower
sections you can buy a tool that looks like a chain breaker that will
set those rivets easier, I think Tractor Supply carries that one. They
used to have regular rivet set punches too but I haven't looked in a
while.

Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Prindle" <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Rivets


> I have been looking for tools for setting large solid rivets, stuff in
the
> 1/4" to 1/2" range, and have not found a source. I have some work I
would
> like to do that will require rivets and would be interested in knowing
of
> a supplier of tools. Worst case scenario is that I would have to make
> them, but I know nothing of it and hate to reinvent the wheel. Like so
> many things, I think the process is empirical.
> Joe
> --- "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Ed,
> > I doubt that Sears would have them. I'd try an industrial supply
house
> > od MSC or Mcmaster-Carr.
> > Ron
> >
> > ED <edstoller at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Hi Ron,
> >
> > Would Sears sell these anvils? I guess it would look like a center
punch
> > of
> > drive pin.
> >
> > Ed Stoller
> > New Fairfield, CT
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA"
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 6:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Rivets
> >
> >
> > > Ed,
> > > There are anvils available that form the round head. There also is
> > backup
> > anvils to keep the rivit head shape on the other side.
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > ED wrote:
> > > I was replacing the bearing in an idler pulley today and when I
went
> > to
> > rivet it back together I was stumped. How does one form the nice
rounded
> > head on the rivets? I have the rivets that fit the hole but I have
never
> > had
> > a special tool to form the heads. The rivets I have are hollow.
> > >
> > > Ed Stoller
> > > New Fairfield, CT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ron Frost
> > > Kersey, PA
> > >
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0
> > >
> > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
> > >
> > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
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> >
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> www.tznet.com/jprindle
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>
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jun 25 20:22:29 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:22:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
Message-ID: <20040625.232327.1156.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Steve & Ted for informing me that Powder Coating is done with a
"plasticized powder".  I didn't know that.  Now I understand the "heat"
aspect of it.

Must be rather expensive also.

I had seen painters spray file cabinets in an office using an
electrostatic charge to 
make the paint attract to the metal, to eliminate over spray, but that
didn't need heat.

Thanks again.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -   
\/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sat Jun 26 00:39:58 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 09:39:58 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <001201c45b50$c83515d0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Trying again.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Fri Jun 25 13:24:51 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:24:51 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <001c01c45af2$780f9890$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

T b or N tb.

J.H



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Fri Jun 25 07:24:49 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:24:49 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Only testing.
Message-ID: <000701c45ac0$2c6edc20$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Missing post.
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Thu Jun 24 01:30:30 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:30:30 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Balls
References: <022101c4598d$05e6f760$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <000901c459c5$82d87630$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Hi Dave, you better let Rob send them straight away to this
side of the big pond. Now he is in the UK he needs them
more than ever.

John H.



Hi Rob,
    Please send me one set of balls. I don't need any at the moment, but I
know that Arnie is having a bit of trouble with his balls.    

Dave.



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jun 26 01:28:18 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 18:28:18 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Hot-Bulb
Message-ID: <200406260828.i5Q8SLpe021525@heavyiron.atis.net>

Here is something you don not see every day, the inside of a Blackstone
hot-bulb.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/04062614.JPG
The one off my engine has been cut in half to allow a pattern to be made.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/04062616.JPG
I had thought of repairing the cracks on the outside of it but it would have
failed due to the cracking on the inside.
Here is a picture showing a complete hot-bulb with the sectioned one.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/04062612.JPG


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jun 25 16:09:00 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 09:09:00 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Powder Coating Engines
References: <00a301c45ab7$1ec79d90$c9f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <016f01c45b5c$1b90a680$71111bd3@athlon>

Never had one powder coated but I got some metal garden chairs done.
Wasnt too impressed by the finish.
Two pack paint is on a lot of my models. I have a backscratching mate with
an auto painting business.
Its tough and as good as it gets for me.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jun 26 02:09:32 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 19:09:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Running
Message-ID: <200406260909.i5Q99ZH5024522@heavyiron.atis.net>

A nice clear winter's day today so I rolled a mate's engine out of his shed
for a run. For those of you with broadband (or really patient on dial up) I
have a couple of short videos of the engine running. It is a 1909 Richard
Hornsby Oil Engine:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04062608.AVI
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04062610.AVI
The videos are about 1mb each.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sat Jun 26 03:01:33 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 12:01:33 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Running
References: <200406260909.i5Q99ZH5024522@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <002901c45b64$8fa8d440$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Hi Patrick, looks and sounds good. That little nervy piston
in the second movie, is that the water pump?
Watching your mate in the background, it looks he puts
a sledge hammer in his shirt ( just to borrow I think) :o))

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl



> A nice clear winter's day today so I rolled a mate's engine out of his shed
> for a run. For those of you with broadband (or really patient on dial up) I
> have a couple of short videos of the engine running. It is a 1909 Richard
> Hornsby Oil Engine:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04062608.AVI
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04062610.AVI
> The videos are about 1mb each.
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From oldengines at bigpond.com  Sat Jun 26 03:55:02 2004
From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron & Liz Sullivan)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:55:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Help wanted Fielding& Platt
Message-ID: <00d901c45b6c$0823b550$5ce58690@ronliz1>

Hi All
Need some photo's of a 2hp Fielding  & Platt  to chase some parts.
Thanks 
Ron & Liz Sullivan

From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jun 26 04:22:13 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:22:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Help wanted Fielding& Platt
In-Reply-To: <00d901c45b6c$0823b550$5ce58690@ronliz1>
Message-ID: <200406261122.i5QBMGfh002429@heavyiron.atis.net>

I should be able to get some pictures of one tomorrow :)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----

Hi All
Need some photo's of a 2hp Fielding  & Platt  to chase some parts.
Thanks 
Ron & Liz Sullivan




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jun 26 04:26:12 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:26:12 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Running
In-Reply-To: <002901c45b64$8fa8d440$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <200406261126.i5QBQFl3002782@heavyiron.atis.net>

Hi John,
	The little piston is the water pump. It is driven off an eccentric
on the crankshaft. Only the portable engines were fitted with a water pump.
I hate to think what was going on the background. The mission of the day was
to build the transports for two little Crossleys while I gave the Hornsby a
run in the sun :)
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----

Hi Patrick, looks and sounds good. That little nervy piston
in the second movie, is that the water pump?
Watching your mate in the background, it looks he puts
a sledge hammer in his shirt ( just to borrow I think) :o))

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl






From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Jun 26 04:37:08 2004
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:37:08 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Running
Message-ID: <062620041137.26775.1fd1@mchsi.com>

Hi Patrick,
Great vidio pics, but does this engine run both directions?   Because in your 
first pic it was runing forward and in second one it was runing 
backwards....or was it just the maner you sent the vidio pics?
regards,
Curt
> A nice clear winter's day today so I rolled a mate's engine out of his shed
> for a run. For those of you with broadband (or really patient on dial up) I
> have a couple of short videos of the engine running. It is a 1909 Richard
> Hornsby Oil Engine:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04062608.AVI
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04062610.AVI
> The videos are about 1mb each.
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
> 
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jun 26 04:52:51 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:52:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Running
In-Reply-To: <062620041137.26775.1fd1@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <200406261152.i5QBqsGp004725@heavyiron.atis.net>

Hi Curt,
	It is probably an optical illusion caused by the frame rate of the
video. It is running in the same direction in both video clips.
We did get it running backwards at one point but it made all sorts of
strange noises as the valve timing is all wrong for backwards running.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----

Hi Patrick,
Great vidio pics, but does this engine run both directions?   Because in
your 
first pic it was runing forward and in second one it was runing 
backwards....or was it just the maner you sent the vidio pics?
regards,
Curt




From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sat Jun 26 05:45:39 2004
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:45:39 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Hot-Bulb
References: <200406260828.i5Q8SLpe021525@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <004f01c45b7b$ab581cc0$326f29cb@oemcomputer>

Very interesting.It will be good to get some cast and get some more engines
of the scrap heap.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 6:28
Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Hot-Bulb


> Here is something you don not see every day, the inside of a Blackstone
> hot-bulb.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/04062614.JPG
> The one off my engine has been cut in half to allow a pattern to be made.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/04062616.JPG
> I had thought of repairing the cracks on the outside of it but it would
have
> failed due to the cracking on the inside.
> Here is a picture showing a complete hot-bulb with the sectioned one.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/04062612.JPG
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jun 26 07:26:34 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 08:26:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Running
References: <200406260909.i5Q99ZH5024522@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV18jXi2QdUeG000143e1@hotmail.com>

That's FANTASTIC Patrick!! Thanks for the mornin' fix.

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 3:09 AM
Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Running


> A nice clear winter's day today so I rolled a mate's engine out of his 
> shed
> for a run. For those of you with broadband (or really patient on dial up) 
> I
> have a couple of short videos of the engine running. It is a 1909 Richard
> Hornsby Oil Engine:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04062608.AVI
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04062610.AVI
> The videos are about 1mb each.
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From ivancou at usachoice.net  Sat Jun 26 07:53:58 2004
From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:53:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need Transporation Help
References: <010101c45b21$b438db90$d5f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <000001c45b8d$6a1cb880$ea83fea9@y0y2a7>

Paul , if you can get it to Clarion PA  I can get it to Portland along with
the other stuff I'm hauling .I've already got three boxes for Alen B .
Or if you can get it moved south to Lancaster Pa we'll be out that way in
two weeks  ,well if it would fit into a Cavalier since were taking wifes car
.  Ivan




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Jun 26 09:40:08 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:40:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Conn rod slop
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV25HFKpO2DTS000149dd@hotmail.com>

Howdy all, live is good in "The Big Sky."

   Seems to me that the side slop (axial play) in the connecting rod/piston 
assembly is excessive and would lead to premature conn rod bushing wear..in 
other words, one second the conn rod is hugging one side of the piston and 
the next second it moves over to the other side (of the piston).  Down the 
road aways, you'll wind up with an elongated, oval  rod to wrist (grudgeon) 
pin bushing.
   Possibly this is an undue concern and the rod seeks its own center 
(inside the piston).

   Any thot's????

TIA
RickinMt.
PS: Update on Galloway Sawrig.  Main casting mounted on frame.  Thanks to 
Spudhead the major machining repairs have been done.  "She's a lookin' good, 
Momma!!!"..if I do say so myself.  Loads of fun gang  and can't 
wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 


From kerogas at the-i.net  Sat Jun 26 13:31:14 2004
From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:31:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Conn rod slop
References: <BAY3-DAV25HFKpO2DTS000149dd@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001701c45bbc$87a2f700$be02fea9@oemcomputer>




>    Possibly this is an undue concern and the rod seeks its own center
> (inside the piston

It'll stick or bind if it cant flop around , you crank aint perfectly plumb
.
Binding will make it wear out faster . Even in my climate  , I wouldnt sweat
it .
The crank on my stirling is a little out of whack and every once in a while
I have to loosen the screw on the big end bearing and slide it over just a
nudge
or it will slap against the piston at one end of the stroke . tak tak tak
tak tak



From pmaples at anaxis.net  Sat Jun 26 15:06:06 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 17:06:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Transporation Help
References: <010101c45b21$b438db90$d5f70cd1@VAIO>
	<000001c45b8d$6a1cb880$ea83fea9@y0y2a7>
Message-ID: <004501c45bc9$c9fb24d0$e5f70cd1@VAIO>

What about it gang, Ivan said he can get it to Portland if someone can get
it to him at Clarion, Pa. Is there anyone that can haul it to Ivan for me
from Schenectady, New York to Clarion, Pa.

Thanks Ivan for the offer of help, it is greatly appreciated. Hopefully
someone can get it to you.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ivan Cousins" <ivancou at usachoice.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transporation Help


> Paul , if you can get it to Clarion PA  I can get it to Portland along
with
> the other stuff I'm hauling .I've already got three boxes for Alen B .
> Or if you can get it moved south to Lancaster Pa we'll be out that way in
> two weeks  ,well if it would fit into a Cavalier since were taking wifes
car
> .  Ivan
>
>
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>
>




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Jun 26 19:33:10 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:33:10 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Model 92 Status
Message-ID: <196.2b6fcba2.2e0f8be6@aol.com>

Hi List,
I am working on my third Maytag Model 92.  The other two are running great.  
They start on the first or second kick.  It is a sweet sound to hear the hit 
miss rhythm.  I have no idea how long since these engines last ran.  The first 
one was purchased at Paso Robles Branch 27 swap meet.  The party from whom I 
purchased the engine said that it had been sitting in his garage for 20 years 
and he never ran it.  It needed some ignition and carburetor work.  The second 
unit was obtained from a friend who had no idea when this engine ran the last 
time.  This unit also needed some ignition and carburetor work. Third unit 
also obtained from the same friend.  He picked it up at an old mine site with the 
permission of the owner.  The spark plug wasn't install and as a result water 
got in the cylinder.  Needless to say, the engine was stuck.  Ignition and 
governor parts are also missing.  The flywheel was not installed but was near 
the engine  The gas tank was filled with water.
The first thing I did was to clean the gas tank.  It was a mess.  The 
carburetor is being soaked in thinner.  The screen on the check valve is gone. 
Now I am in the process of getting the piston out of cylinder.  I tried the 
grease gun method and I got the piston to move to the point where the exhaust 
port was uncovered.  That is as far as I could get it to move.  I decided to 
use Paul Pavlinovich's  method to get it out.  I made a 5/16" thick square iron 
plate with 3/8" holes matching the cylinder mating holes.  In the center of 
this plate, a ?" diameter was bored.  I used a one end of ?" all thread rod to 
fashion a "J" hook to fit under the piston pin.  The other end went into the 
center of the plate.  I used 4 short equal lengths of 3/8" pipe as supports 
between the plate and the cylinder which was fastened together with bolts.  The 
distance between the cylinder and the plate is about 6".  Fastening the "J" hook 
under the wrist pin and, then, a ?" nut was installed on the other end.  
Turning this nut, causes a pulling force to be applied to piston.  I got the 
piston to move about 3/8" before the "J" hook gave way.  Well, tomorrow is another 
day.
By the way, anyone have an extra set of points and governor parts for a 
Maytag 92?
  


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jun 26 19:35:47 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:35:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Conn rod slop
References: <BAY3-DAV25HFKpO2DTS000149dd@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <059a01c45bef$747c21a0$0400a8c0@Dave>

> Howdy all, live is good in "The Big Sky."
>
>    Seems to me that the side slop (axial play) in the connecting
rod/piston
> assembly is excessive and would lead to premature conn rod bushing
wear..in
> other words, one second the conn rod is hugging one side of the piston and
> the next second it moves over to the other side (of the piston).  Down the
> road aways, you'll wind up with an elongated, oval  rod to wrist
(grudgeon)
> pin bushing.
>    Possibly this is an undue concern and the rod seeks its own center
> (inside the piston).
>    Any thot's????
> TIA
> RickinMt.
Hi Rick,
    The con rod of which you speak has been doing what you describe for the
past 80 years. Now you, as the new owner, think it's a problem! I suspect
that it will last about another 80 years. At that point you will need to
replace it!
    Dave



From bill at antique-engines.com  Sat Jun 26 20:53:39 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:53:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sale stuff posted in forum
In-Reply-To: <004501c45bc9$c9fb24d0$e5f70cd1@VAIO>
Message-ID: <001b01c45bfa$56903720$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

.........http://www.oldengine.org/members/billd/forum/default.asp

Recent posting, looks like some goodies will be sold.

Bill



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jun 26 21:53:39 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 00:53:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Model 92 Status
In-Reply-To: <196.2b6fcba2.2e0f8be6@aol.com>
References: <196.2b6fcba2.2e0f8be6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F4E12DB4-C7F5-11D8-B13E-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Good work, Francis! I like that idea of pulling the piston with the J'd 
allthread. Hadn't seen it before.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Jun 26 22:55:24 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:55:24 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Model 92 Status
Message-ID: <190.2b71acbe.2e0fbb4c@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/26/2004 9:58:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
johnculp at chartertn.net writes:
I like that idea of pulling the piston with the J'd 
allthread. Hadn't seen it before.
John,
Here is the article that Paul wrote.

Steam & Engine of Australia - Restoration of a Maytag model 92
<http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/restore/maytag/>

Paul did an excellent job on the engine and the article.  I picked up several 
important pointers from the article.


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jun 27 06:53:35 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 09:53:35 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Rivets
Message-ID: <1d7.24b47b36.2e102b5f@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/25/2004 8:26:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
ron217_2000 at yahoo.com writes:

<< Would Sears sell these anvils? I guess it would look like a center punch of
 drive pin. >>


Rivet anvils are also used to replace hay mower sections on the blades, so 
you might check a farm supply house.  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Jun 27 09:05:57 2004
From: frappi at wcoil.com (frappi at wcoil.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:05:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re:Maytag Model 92 Status-Getting it loose
In-Reply-To: <200406271000.i5RA0Hs5017242@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040627120557.008ac680@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi Francis, 
 Well part or your battle is done ,the piston is moving. Once I get the
piston to move any at all what I do next has worked very well, Many times
in the past for me.  
 You will need the crankshaft in the block with the bearing housing bolted
in place, We also want the tank top plate bolted up to the block then bolt
the rod back up to the crankshaft and bolt the cylinder back up to the
block. Then reinstall the flywheel back onto the crankshaft with the key in
place and tighten the nut back up so that the flywheel is firmly tightened
back up onto the crankshaft. Its not necessary to have the ignition plate
in place. Now at this point I bolt the assembly to my work bench which is
2x6 plank top bench with the flywheel hanging over the side of the bench.
Once its bolted down this make it so that you can grab the flywheel like a
ships wheel and start applying force backwards and forwards. Since you have
it moved partly out move it back again, this will start working more grease
between the piston and cylinder. I know it seems odd to move it back to
where you just moved it from but trust me it will be way easier to move it
forward the second time then it was the first and it will work out a bit
more every time too. Now work it back and forth, back and forth. Soon you
will have the piston doing what it should. If need be to get it moving
backwards again I use a 1/2" brass rod and pound on the crankthrow to move
the piston backwards. You will be surprised at how quick it will start
moving again. It would be preferreable to be able to get thinner lube into
it now rather then the grease but it may work fine with the grease.     
 As many of you who know me know I've worked on more then my share of these
little engines and for me this method works well and is one of the easier
ways I know on really stuck engines, and since I'm a very lazy person I
find the easiest ways. There is one other way I use on rare occasion but
its not for the faint of heart and takes some special equipment that not
all have.    

                                  Goodluck,   Maytag Mark

>Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:33:10 EDT
>From: FRM8198 at aol.com
>Subject: [SEL] Maytag Model 92 Status
>
>Hi List,
>I tried the 
>grease gun method and I got the piston to move to the point where the
exhaust 
>port was uncovered.  That is as far as I could get it to move.  I decided to 
>use Paul Pavlinovich's  method to get it out.  I made a 5/16" thick square
iron 
>plate with 3/8" holes matching the cylinder mating holes.  In the center of 
>this plate, a ?" diameter was bored.  I used a one end of ?" all thread
rod to 
>fashion a "J" hook to fit under the piston pin.  The other end went into the 
>center of the plate.  I used 4 short equal lengths of 3/8" pipe as supports 
>between the plate and the cylinder which was fastened together with bolts.
 The 
>distance between the cylinder and the plate is about 6".  Fastening the
"J" hook 
>under the wrist pin and, then, a ?" nut was installed on the other end.  
>Turning this nut, causes a pulling force to be applied to piston.  I got the 
>piston to move about 3/8" before the "J" hook gave way.  Well, tomorrow is
another 
>day.
>By the way, anyone have an extra set of points and governor parts for a 
>Maytag 92?
>  
>Francis Maciel
>Santa Maria, California
>
Mark A. Shulaw              GOD BLESS THE USA
454 Co.Rd. 33
Bluffton, Ohio 45817             frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for                 Ask Me About The 
Maytag Multi-Motor parts and accessories.        Maytag Collectors Club
Parts lists available on request.               <http://www.maytagclub.com/>
 
  




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jun 27 09:43:00 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:43:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re:Maytag Model 92 Status-Getting it loose
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040627120557.008ac680@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <3.0.6.32.20040627120557.008ac680@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <0D5F87E2-C859-11D8-8A10-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>


On Jun 27, 2004, at 12:05 PM, frappi at wcoil.com wrote:

> There is one other way I use on rare occasion but
> its not for the faint of heart and takes some special equipment that 
> not
> all have.
>
>                                   Goodluck,   Maytag Mark

Dynamite, blasting cap, crank generator?

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Jun 27 10:44:08 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:44:08 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Re:Maytag Model 92 Status-Getting it loose
Message-ID: <1d0.2483222e.2e106168@aol.com>

Hi List,
The piston is out and soaking in thinner.  Like Mark mentioned in his 
message, once it start to move and using back and forth motion on it, it came out.  
The tool I built worked like a charm.  


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From edstoller at earthlink.net  Sun Jun 27 14:12:18 2004
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:12:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Model 92 Status
References: <196.2b6fcba2.2e0f8be6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005b01c45c8b$6ede79e0$ee8ff504@x8h7l9>

Francis,

If you get the piston to move at all, just put p-oil on it and move it back
and forth. It should get progressively looser.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:33 PM
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Model 92 Status


Hi List,
I am working on my third Maytag Model 92.  The other two are running great.
They start on the first or second kick.  It is a sweet sound to hear the hit
miss rhythm.  I have no idea how long since these engines last ran.  The
first
one was purchased at Paso Robles Branch 27 swap meet.  The party from whom I
purchased the engine said that it had been sitting in his garage for 20
years
and he never ran it.  It needed some ignition and carburetor work.  The
second
unit was obtained from a friend who had no idea when this engine ran the
last
time.  This unit also needed some ignition and carburetor work. Third unit
also obtained from the same friend.  He picked it up at an old mine site
with the
permission of the owner.  The spark plug wasn't install and as a result
water
got in the cylinder.  Needless to say, the engine was stuck.  Ignition and
governor parts are also missing.  The flywheel was not installed but was
near
the engine  The gas tank was filled with water.
The first thing I did was to clean the gas tank.  It was a mess.  The
carburetor is being soaked in thinner.  The screen on the check valve is
gone.
Now I am in the process of getting the piston out of cylinder.  I tried the
grease gun method and I got the piston to move to the point where the
exhaust
port was uncovered.  That is as far as I could get it to move.  I decided to
use Paul Pavlinovich's  method to get it out.  I made a 5/16" thick square
iron
plate with 3/8" holes matching the cylinder mating holes.  In the center of
this plate, a ?" diameter was bored.  I used a one end of ?" all thread rod
to
fashion a "J" hook to fit under the piston pin.  The other end went into the
center of the plate.  I used 4 short equal lengths of 3/8" pipe as supports
between the plate and the cylinder which was fastened together with bolts.
The
distance between the cylinder and the plate is about 6".  Fastening the "J"
hook
under the wrist pin and, then, a ?" nut was installed on the other end.
Turning this nut, causes a pulling force to be applied to piston.  I got the
piston to move about 3/8" before the "J" hook gave way.  Well, tomorrow is
another
day.
By the way, anyone have an extra set of points and governor parts for a
Maytag 92?



Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California
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From alanb2 at webtv.net  Sun Jun 27 14:28:42 2004
From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:28:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Any good topics yesterday or today?
Message-ID: <15385-40DF3C0A-1959@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net>

Howdy Folks,

I had mail turned off while I drove down to central Missouri yesterday
and back today.

The quick trip was to pick up my Mom who was spending some time down
there with family.  It was a quick visit, but there was a side
benifit,,,,,,,,

On the way down I dropped into the engine show in Sandwich, Illinois
that Steve Barr invited us all to.

Steve was a good host for the couple hours I had to spend there.

I saw a nice group of fine engines, but my favorite was a display of
about ten flywheel engines that were ALL running.

They were not all engines I would like to have, but it was a sweet sound
with them all running together each with their own rythum.

What I want to say here,,,,,,
Please speak up and mention any show or swap meet you know about,
You just never can tell when one of us are headed on a road trip for any
reason and would like to drop by a show to break up the trip with some
fun. 8>))

Alan Bowen  alanb2 at webtv.net
Williamsburg, Michigan



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jun 27 14:38:14 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:38:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re:Maytag Model 92 Status-Getting it loose
In-Reply-To: <1d0.2483222e.2e106168@aol.com>
References: <1d0.2483222e.2e106168@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B54F230-C882-11D8-BC99-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Great!

John

On Jun 27, 2004, at 1:44 PM, FRM8198 at aol.com wrote:

> Hi List,
> The piston is out and soaking in thinner.  Like Mark mentioned in his
> message, once it start to move and using back and forth motion on it, 
> it came out.
> The tool I built worked like a charm.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From alanb2 at webtv.net  Sun Jun 27 15:10:17 2004
From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 18:10:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show Photos
In-Reply-To: Steve Barr <stevebarr@ameritech.net>'s message of Fri, 25 Jun
	2004 04:45:11 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <15386-40DF45C9-1197@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net>

Hi Steve, or other list folks,,,

Is there any more info on this Graham Bradley tractor?

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004LyonsFarmSpringShow/34.JPG

Any relation to Graham Paige or David Bradley?

I have a Graham Paige engine on a Keiser Frazier Rototiller and we have
all seen the David Bradley walk behind garden tracors.

I am wondering if some of them folks got together and made that tractor.
?????

TIA for any info.

Alan Bowen  alanb2 at webtv.net
Williamsburg, Michigan



From ozengine at yahoo.com.au  Sun Jun 27 17:02:29 2004
From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:02:29 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re:Balls
Message-ID: <20040628000229.10622.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com>

G'day John and Arnie

In Oz we might call that a Ballsup.

Graham in Oz


Message: 28
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:53:10 -0400
From: John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Balls


I thought Arnie'd shot his balls away with his cannon.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
http://au.movies.yahoo.com


From ozengine at yahoo.com.au  Sun Jun 27 17:07:26 2004
From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:07:26 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Blackstone hot bulbs
Message-ID: <20040628000726.26402.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Patrick

I know a bloke down here who has already had some
blackstone hot bulbs cast. Are they all the same size
regardless of HP?

Graham in Melb. (Oz)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 6:28
Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Hot-Bulb


> Here is something you don not see every day, the
inside of a 
Blackstone
> hot-bulb.
> 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/04062614.JPG
> The one off my engine has been cut in half to allow
a pattern 
to be made.


Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
http://au.movies.yahoo.com


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Jun 27 18:14:35 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:14:35 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Re:Maytag Model 92 Status-Getting it loose
Message-ID: <6b.2cf3472a.2e10cafb@aol.com>

Hi List,
Now that the piston is out, I have gotten the rings loose and most of rust 
out of the combustion chamber.
I was able get the rusted rings loose by carefully inserting a tie-rap under 
each ring to force the rings out of grooves.  I was looking for something that 
was flexible and stiff.  The tie-rap was the answer as I didn't want to break 
any ring.
The top of the piston was covered with rust.  This has been removed.
I hope to start reassembling the engine this week.  Since I don't have a 
complete magneto for this engine, I intend to temporarily use one from the other 
engines.
I have cleaned the gas tank.  It was a mess.  After removing the rusty crud, 
I used muriatic acid to seal it.  I made sure that drain plug was removable.
Luckly, I happen to have another carburetor.  I have already checked it out 
on one the running engine.


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From skipl at montana.com  Sun Jun 27 21:03:37 2004
From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:03:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] list
Message-ID: <40DF9899.2EF83A0C@montana.com>

i was getting the individual postings which is what i prefer. then i
wasn't getting any, now i'm getting them batched together. what did i
do, how can i fix it. thanks,  skip




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jun 27 23:15:33 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:15:33 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Blackstone hot bulbs
In-Reply-To: <20040628000726.26402.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200406280615.i5S6FWJe023104@heavyiron.atis.net>

Hi Graham,
	I have been told that the 3hp and 4hp hot-bulbs are different
(though they can be made to fit with modification). The 8hp hot-bulb is
definitely bigger than the 4hp but the 10hp is the same as the 8hp. I am not
sure about the middle sized engines.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----
Hi Patrick

I know a bloke down here who has already had some
blackstone hot bulbs cast. Are they all the same size
regardless of HP?

Graham in Melb. (Oz)





From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun 28 00:07:07 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:07:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Vista, California
Message-ID: <200406280707.i5S77BTm025307@heavyiron.atis.net>

G'day mates!
For your consideration, pictures from this weekend and
last:
http://engines.rustyiron.com/vista04a

If you see errors or omissions, please let me know.
Thanks,
Rob



From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Mon Jun 28 00:17:38 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:17:38 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Re: Vista, California
In-Reply-To: <B0017628078@mail.tbbs.net>
References: <B0017628078@mail.tbbs.net>
Message-ID: <rdhvd0lorq3094o9sh6r8ah7ithaui6rl8@4ax.com>

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:07:07 -0700, you wrote:

>G'day mates!
>For your consideration, pictures from this weekend and
>last:
>http://engines.rustyiron.com/vista04a
>
>If you see errors or omissions, please let me know.
>Thanks,
>Rob

Liked Kelley with the grader, Ron's engine and the Venn-Severin engine.

Was the Venn-Severin a runner?

Peter

--
Peter & Rita Forbes
diesel at easynet.co.uk
Engine pages for preservation info:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jun 28 00:51:59 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:51:59 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fielding & Platt
Message-ID: <200406280752.i5S7pwYt027071@heavyiron.atis.net>

Here are some pictures of Ron Sullivan's recently acquired Fielding & Platt
which we think is 2hp.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/04062701.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/04062702.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/04062703.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/04062703.JPG

A carby has been bolted to the end of the air intake pipe and the engine has
been run like this. There is some sort of vaporiser missing from the front
of the engine as is the correct fuel intake assembly. 
Does anyone (especially our English list members) have any pictures,
diagrams, or drawings showing the missing parts? 
Any help would be greatly appreciated as this is a nice little English
engine.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Jun 28 07:40:42 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:40:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Conn rod slop
References: <BAY3-DAV25HFKpO2DTS000149dd@hotmail.com>
	<059a01c45bef$747c21a0$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV26HQNEOafeJ00006dc8@hotmail.com>

Thanks guys!!!
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Conn rod slop


> > Howdy all, live is good in "The Big Sky."
> >
> >    Seems to me that the side slop (axial play) in the connecting
> rod/piston
> > assembly is excessive and would lead to premature conn rod bushing
> wear..in
> > other words, one second the conn rod is hugging one side of the piston 
> > and
> > the next second it moves over to the other side (of the piston).  Down 
> > the
> > road aways, you'll wind up with an elongated, oval  rod to wrist
> (grudgeon)
> > pin bushing.
> >    Possibly this is an undue concern and the rod seeks its own center
> > (inside the piston).
> >    Any thot's????
> > TIA
> > RickinMt.
> Hi Rick,
>     The con rod of which you speak has been doing what you describe for 
> the
> past 80 years. Now you, as the new owner, think it's a problem! I suspect
> that it will last about another 80 years. At that point you will need to
> replace it!
>     Dave
>
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Jun 28 07:48:09 2004
From: frappi at wcoil.com (frappi at wcoil.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:48:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re:Maytag Model 92 Status-Getting it loose
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040628104809.008b4320@pop3.wcoil.com>

>> There is one other way I use on rare occasion but
>> its not for the faint of heart and takes some special equipment that 
>> not
>> all have.
>>
>>                                   Goodluck,   Maytag Mark
>
>Dynamite, blasting cap, crank generator?
>
>John Culp
>Bristol, Tennessee, USA
>
>
Hi John, Not quite, GRINNNNNN  Although that would be neat to see..... from
a distance,,,, once. 
 Its a heat and quench thing.           Mark
Mark A. Shulaw              GOD BLESS THE USA
454 Co.Rd. 33
Bluffton, Ohio 45817             frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for                 Ask Me About The 
Maytag Multi-Motor parts and accessories.        Maytag Collectors Club
Parts lists available on request.               <http://www.maytagclub.com/>
 
  



From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Jun 28 07:55:00 2004
From: frappi at wcoil.com (frappi at wcoil.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:55:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New Bulk Mail format
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040628105500.008b5600@pop3.wcoil.com>

Thanks Spencer, 
I am really happy with the new way the bulk mail is set up, each individule
email has a number and the subject lines have a corresponding number to
match. It makes it so much easier to find the specific note one is looking
for.  Thanks to Spencer and anyone else who may be involved for all the
work in keeping this forum going.        
                                  Maytag Mark

Mark Shulaw            GOD BLESS THE USA! 
454 Co. Rd. 33              
Bluffton, Ohio 45817        <frappi at wcoil.com>  419-358-5206



From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Mon Jun 28 10:57:15 2004
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:57:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally
Message-ID: <40E05BFB.2D90CEDD@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Folks

I thought maybe you wouldn't want to wait for Arnie's report of the 2004
1000 Engine Rally at Astle Park.  I mean, some of us may not live that
long!
So, to keep you going until you receive his great words of wisdom on the
subject, you can take a look at my pages:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/astle.htm
Of course, you don't get all the tech stuff from me, but you can enjoy
the pretty pictures anyway!

Dolly

--
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk




From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Mon Jun 28 11:17:00 2004
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:17:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.S.Kelly Vert. Eng.
Message-ID: <09bc01c45d3c$1b09bb20$0301a8c0@ALEC>

Does anyone have info. on this engine that is different than whats in the BYB.???
 Mine appears to be the 2.5 hp version. the flywheels are 2 ft, while the engine is barley 31" tall, 
 I need the rocker arm and bracket, otherwise its a gearless , vert. engine with the original brass water jacket, ( gearless on the outside, as there is a cam that is not on the crankshaft).
 I also cannot figure out the needle valve setup. There is a long tube , like a New Way, etc. that would be 18-20" and the needle valve cant go all that way, so I must be confused because the needle valve is at the top , not the bottom of the setup,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,tks for any help,
 
Alec J. Stevens
Investment Specialist
80 Leighton Road, Suite C
Falmouth, ME 04105
(800)842-6669
(207)797-5169
(207)797-2819

From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jun 28 12:27:11 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:27:11 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Re: Vista, California
Message-ID: <20040628.122711.1084.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Peter.
No the Venn-Severin is not a runner.  It was apart for years, last year
they set the cylinders and heads on, and gave it a paint job to make it
look presentable.  With some work it should run.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:17:38 +0100 Peter A Forbes <diesel at easynet.co.uk>
writes:
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:07:07 -0700, you wrote:
> 
> >G'day mates!
> >For your consideration, pictures from this weekend and
> >last:
> >http://engines.rustyiron.com/vista04a
> >
> >If you see errors or omissions, please let me know.
> >Thanks,
> >Rob
> 
> Liked Kelley with the grader, Ron's engine and the Venn-Severin 
> engine.
> 
> Was the Venn-Severin a runner?
> 
> Peter
> 
> --
> Peter & Rita Forbes
> diesel at easynet.co.uk
> Engine pages for preservation info:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Jun 28 12:52:32 2004
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:52:32 +0000
Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally
Message-ID: <062820041952.1153.dd4@mchsi.com>

Hi Dolly,
Really great pics of the rally especially seeing even more pics of my new 
Lorenz prize.
Thankyou for all the trouble again.
Curt Andree
> Hi Folks
> 
> I thought maybe you wouldn't want to wait for Arnie's report of the 2004
> 1000 Engine Rally at Astle Park.  I mean, some of us may not live that
> long!
> So, to keep you going until you receive his great words of wisdom on the
> subject, you can take a look at my pages:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/astle.htm
> Of course, you don't get all the tech stuff from me, but you can enjoy
> the pretty pictures anyway!
> 
> Dolly
> 
> --
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jun 28 12:59:47 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:59:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally
References: <40E05BFB.2D90CEDD@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <40E078B3.1070505@imc-group.com>

Dolly,
Great photos.
Looks like we need to add Godiva engines to the list of 5 spoke engines 
we were naming a while back.
What is the Cambell engine driving? A dyno?
A pint for breakfast? Whew you Brits have iron stomachs! Or is that an 
Arnie thing?
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Jim French wrote:

>Hi Folks
>
>I thought maybe you wouldn't want to wait for Arnie's report of the 2004
>1000 Engine Rally at Astle Park.  I mean, some of us may not live that
>long!
>So, to keep you going until you receive his great words of wisdom on the
>subject, you can take a look at my pages:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/astle.htm
>Of course, you don't get all the tech stuff from me, but you can enjoy
>the pretty pictures anyway!
>
>Dolly
>
>  
>




From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Mon Jun 28 13:16:02 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:16:02 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Re: Vista, California
In-Reply-To: <20040628.122711.1084.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20040628.122711.1084.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <i2v0e09fdtf19044f1mtj534i21a76fuan@4ax.com>

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:27:11 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi Peter.
>No the Venn-Severin is not a runner.  It was apart for years, last year
>they set the cylinders and heads on, and gave it a paint job to make it
>look presentable.  With some work it should run.
>
>Ron Haskell

Nice to see some of the more obscure engines getting new life brewathed into
them.

What happened with the Lister-Blackstone CD engine ?

Peter

--
Peter & Rita Forbes
diesel at easynet.co.uk
Engine pages for preservation info:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jun 28 13:55:44 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:55:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Lister-Blackstone
Message-ID: <20040628.135545.1084.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hello Peter.  It is sitting on a cart (trolley) jammed up against my
Witte Dieselectric unit.  I need to make carts to separate them so I can
put it back together and start it up.
This is just my second week of summer vacation, so I hope to get to it
soon

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:16:02 +0100 Peter A Forbes <diesel at easynet.co.uk>
writes:
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:27:11 -0700, you wrote:
> 
> Nice to see some of the more obscure engines getting new life 
> brewathed into
> them.
> 
> What happened with the Lister-Blackstone CD engine ?
> 
> Peter
> 
> --
> Peter & Rita Forbes
> diesel at easynet.co.uk
> Engine pages for preservation info:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Jun 28 14:27:14 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:27:14 +0200
Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally
References: <40E05BFB.2D90CEDD@insulate.co.uk> <40E078B3.1070505@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c45d56$ae9c0e50$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Hi Curt,
  The Campbell engine is driving a Waller gas pump.
That's what the engine did for living in Australia.
The  Australian collector Wayne Timms was
also at our International engine rally in Nuenen last
month. It's a 1894 built engine. Another picture can
be seen at this link.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Campbell.jpg

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl



> What is the Cambell engine driving? A dyno?
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC




From andyglines at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 28 14:29:32 2004
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:29:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Small Engine Muffler
Message-ID: <BAY19-F185K9kINc0VU000ab009@hotmail.com>

I need to build a muffler for my 6 HP Wisconsin.  The goal is to be as quiet 
as is practical.  This engine is on my Gard'n Mast'r tractor that I want to 
drive at shows.  I want something that I can talk over while its running.  
Exhaust is 3/4" pipe.  Who has design tips?

_________________________________________________________________
Make the most of your family vacation with tips from the MSN Family Travel 
Guide! http://dollar.msn.com



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Jun 28 14:34:19 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:34:19 +0200
Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally
References: <40E05BFB.2D90CEDD@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <002401c45d57$ab84edd0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Hi Dolly, thanks for the great pictures you took at
    the Astle Park rally. Alot of beauties to see.
Glad Arnie could ride that bike, I think he feels
much better now.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl



> I thought maybe you wouldn't want to wait for Arnie's report of the 2004
> 1000 Engine Rally at Astle Park.  I mean, some of us may not live that
> long!
> So, to keep you going until you receive his great words of wisdom on the
> subject, you can take a look at my pages:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/astle.htm
> Of course, you don't get all the tech stuff from me, but you can enjoy
> the pretty pictures anyway!
> 
> Dolly




From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Mon Jun 28 14:54:44 2004
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:54:44 +0100
Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally
References: <40E05BFB.2D90CEDD@insulate.co.uk> <40E078B3.1070505@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <40E093A4.B75B1BC4@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Curt

Curt Holland wrote:

>
> What is the Cambell engine driving? A dyno?

Oh, please!  You expect me to know such things??  I shall ask the experts ...

Ok, we have a pump.  Don't ask me what sort!  Tomorrow or sometime when we
have time we'll fire up the laptop and see if Arnie's pics included a shot of
the guy's display card.

>
> A pint for breakfast? Whew you Brits have iron stomachs! Or is that an
> Arnie thing?

It was a Dave Croft and Arnie thing.  No-one else could face beer at that
time in the morning!

Dolly

--
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fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun 28 16:05:38 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:05:38 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally
In-Reply-To: <40E05BFB.2D90CEDD@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200406282305.i5SN5gCO030315@heavyiron.atis.net>


> I thought maybe you wouldn't want to wait for Arnie's
report 
> of the 2004 1000 Engine Rally at Astle Park.  I mean,
some of 
> us may not live that long!
> So, to keep you going until you receive his great words
of 
> wisdom on the subject, you can take a look at my pages:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/astle.htm
> Of course, you don't get all the tech stuff from me, but
you 
> can enjoy the pretty pictures anyway!

Wow.  An attractive web page showing excellent pictures of
fabulous engines.




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun 28 16:40:36 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:40:36 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Small Engine Muffler
In-Reply-To: <BAY19-F185K9kINc0VU000ab009@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <200406282340.i5SNecoH032214@heavyiron.atis.net>

> I need to build a muffler for my 6 HP Wisconsin.  The
goal is 
> to be as quiet as is practical.  This engine is on my
Gard'n 
> Mast'r tractor that I want to drive at shows.  I want 
> something that I can talk over while its running.  
> Exhaust is 3/4" pipe.  Who has design tips?

Hi Andy,
Is the engine at the front of the tractor?  You might want
to consider running it out the back.  If you increase the
size of the pipe to one inch, it will allow the gases to
expand and slow down even more.  Put some kind of a muffler
in the middle of the pipe someplace.  Either use a
commercial muffler, or build something that will disrupt
the sound waves and slow down the travel of the gasses
before they exit the pipe.

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
www.rustyiron.com 















From solarrog at pacbell.net  Mon Jun 28 16:59:49 2004
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:59:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Small Engine Muffler
References: <200406282340.i5SNecoH032214@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <001c01c45d6c$00007e60$4af5c13f@pacbell.net>

Rob swing by your Onan dealer and pick up a RV genset muffler. It will work
just about as good  as anything you will find.

Roger DiRuscio, The Realty Experts. Sales since 1977
contact 510-226-9785  Fremont,Ca 94539
Collector restorer of antique marine engines, Motorscooters, Micro cars
private pilot 1981, Ham radio KG6QKZ
Volunteer  Cert-Comm member, Fremont Fire department.
web site---   scrapologist.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 4:40 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Small Engine Muffler


> > I need to build a muffler for my 6 HP Wisconsin.  The
> goal is
> > to be as quiet as is practical.  This engine is on my
> Gard'n
> > Mast'r tractor that I want to drive at shows.  I want
> > something that I can talk over while its running.
> > Exhaust is 3/4" pipe.  Who has design tips?
>
> Hi Andy,
> Is the engine at the front of the tractor?  You might want
> to consider running it out the back.  If you increase the
> size of the pipe to one inch, it will allow the gases to
> expand and slow down even more.  Put some kind of a muffler
> in the middle of the pipe someplace.  Either use a
> commercial muffler, or build something that will disrupt
> the sound waves and slow down the travel of the gasses
> before they exit the pipe.
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=
> Rob Skinner
> La Habra, California
> www.rustyiron.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 28 17:12:40 2004
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:12:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Small Engine Muffler
In-Reply-To: <BAY19-F185K9kINc0VU000ab009@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040629001240.35831.qmail@web14103.mail.yahoo.com>

Tell you what I did for a 3.5HP Briggs that I wanted quiet. I started  from the engine with  1/2" pipe as that was the size of the engine connection. Out to a piece of 1-1/2"  about 10" long. Calculate the cross sectional area of the 1/2" pipe and then the area of 1/8" holes. Divide the pipe area by the 1/8" area and this will give you the number of holes that equal the exhaust pipe area. Drill this number of holes into a 5 or 6"  end section of the exhaust pipe. Weld a cap on the end of the exhaust pipe, forcing all the exhaust gas through the small 1/8" holes. Weld a washer to one end of the 1-1/2" pipe with a center hole enlarged to fit the 1/2" pipe. Insert the engine end pipe through the washer just past the holes you drilled and weld it in place. Now put the tail pipe into the muffler housing and pack steel wool around it With an inch or two of the tail pipe inserted into the muffler and after it's packed, slide the second washer down as a cap for the outlet end and weld it to
 both the housing and the tail pipe. The big thing to be sure of is not to restrict areas less than what the engine outlet size is. Too much restriction will cause excessive heat and destroy the engine valves and cylinder. A loss of power will also be noticed. I'd also use elbows and nipples to get the muffler down under the tractor and pointed toward the rear.
For 3/4" pipe and 1/8" holes, you will need about 36 holes to equal the exhaust area. You could also go to 1" tail pipe, say 12" long beond the muffler.  
Have fun. Experment.
I'd like to see some pictures of what you end up with.
Ron


Andy Glines <andyglines at hotmail.com> wrote:
I need to build a muffler for my 6 HP Wisconsin. The goal is to be as quiet 
as is practical. This engine is on my Gard'n Mast'r tractor that I want to 
drive at shows. I want something that I can talk over while its running. 
Exhaust is 3/4" pipe. Who has design tips?

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From segray at mlode.com  Mon Jun 28 21:50:42 2004
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:50:42 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Lister-Blackstone
In-Reply-To: <20040628.135545.1084.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20040628.135545.1084.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <40E0F522.2040506@mlode.com>

Hey Ron -

  The CD is a sweet running engine. I just finished  going through an 8 
HP, I think like yours, for a friend of mine. The oil had never been 
changed and was like THICK pudding, resulting is a starved and partially 
pounded out rod bearing. The owner will probably paint it, I just did 
the mechanical. What a beast! The injector nozzle was shot also (water 
had wiped out the needle and seat), but the owner was able to buy a new 
one from an outfit up here in the bay area, so keep it in mind if you 
need to go that route. Cost him about $60 (came from Austria!).

- Steve

-- 
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Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

>Hello Peter.  It is sitting on a cart (trolley) jammed up against my
>Witte Dieselectric unit.  I need to make carts to separate them so I can
>put it back together and start it up.
>This is just my second week of summer vacation, so I hope to get to it
>soon
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside, California
>USA
>
>On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:16:02 +0100 Peter A Forbes <diesel at easynet.co.uk>
>writes:
>  
>
>>On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:27:11 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>>Nice to see some of the more obscure engines getting new life 
>>brewathed into
>>them.
>>
>>What happened with the Lister-Blackstone CD engine ?
>>
>>Peter
>>
>>--
>>Peter & Rita Forbes
>>diesel at easynet.co.uk
>>Engine pages for preservation info:
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>>    
>>
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>



From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Tue Jun 29 00:12:45 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:12:45 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Lister-Blackstone
In-Reply-To: <20040628.135545.1084.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20040628.135545.1084.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <fi52e01rde9i1sui13d4alcjm51ve98k2p@4ax.com>

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:55:44 -0700, you wrote:

>Hello Peter.  It is sitting on a cart (trolley) jammed up against my
>Witte Dieselectric unit.  I need to make carts to separate them so I can
>put it back together and start it up.
>This is just my second week of summer vacation, so I hope to get to it
>soon
>
>Ron Haskell

OK, get off the keyboard and get out there in the workshop! :-))

Peter

--
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diesel at easynet.co.uk
Engine pages for preservation info:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From prepair at easynet.co.uk  Tue Jun 29 02:53:02 2004
From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:53:02 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Lister-Blackstone
In-Reply-To: <40E0F522.2040506@mlode.com>
References: <20040628.135545.1084.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<40E0F522.2040506@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <sse2e0d6jtg3980nfnf3pgh76jp0lpcr9d@4ax.com>

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:50:42 -0700, you wrote:

>Hey Ron -
>
>  The CD is a sweet running engine. I just finished  going through an 8 
>HP, I think like yours, for a friend of mine. The oil had never been 
>changed and was like THICK pudding, resulting is a starved and partially 
>pounded out rod bearing. The owner will probably paint it, I just did 
>the mechanical. What a beast! The injector nozzle was shot also (water 
>had wiped out the needle and seat), but the owner was able to buy a new 
>one from an outfit up here in the bay area, so keep it in mind if you 
>need to go that route. Cost him about $60 (came from Austria!).
>
>- Steve

We have new nozzles for these on the shelf, they are ?24 plus postage,
made in Italy.... We also have some genuine CAV and Bryce stuff as
well.

The CE is a two-cylinder variant of the CD single, we've got three or
four holding the foundations down outside!



--
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Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK
prepair at easynet.co.uk
http://www.prepair.co.uk




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Jun 29 03:36:43 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:36:43 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Kurt
Message-ID: <00d201c45dc4$fc3ac660$470e1bd3@athlon>

Hey Curt, I just got a mail to you returned. Mail box full!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Jun 29 03:37:01 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:37:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Kurt Andre
Message-ID: <00d301c45dc5$06de7800$470e1bd3@athlon>

Hey Curt, I just got a mail to you returned. Mail box full!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Jun 29 03:37:25 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:37:25 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Kurt Andre
Message-ID: <00da01c45dc5$152e1aa0$470e1bd3@athlon>

Hey Curt, I just got a mail to you returned. Mail box full!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jun 29 05:11:16 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:11:16 +0100
Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally
References: <40E05BFB.2D90CEDD@insulate.co.uk> <40E078B3.1070505@imc-group.com>
	<40E093A4.B75B1BC4@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000601c45dd2$2e6b0f20$1f90ff3e@zen>

Snip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim French" <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally


> Curt Holland wrote:
Snip
> > A pint for breakfast? Whew you Brits have iron stomachs! Or is that an
> > Arnie thing?
> 
> It was a Dave Croft and Arnie thing.  No-one else could face beer at that
> time in the morning!
> Dolly

Hi Curt, I like my beer but Arnie has a much better capacity than me.
See http://community.webshots.com/photo/152558084/157656670WPwZdT
This was Arnies second course for breakfast.
Do they put the US brewery's on short time working when Arnie comes over here
for a few weeks? 8^)
Dave Croft



From pmaples at anaxis.net  Tue Jun 29 05:26:24 2004
From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 07:26:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kurt
References: <00d201c45dc4$fc3ac660$470e1bd3@athlon>
Message-ID: <005d01c45dd4$4de46480$c8f70cd1@VAIO>

Same here Reg, I tried to send him a message last night and got it returned
saying his mailbox is full.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "List SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 5:36 AM
Subject: [SEL] Kurt


> Hey Curt, I just got a mail to you returned. Mail box full!!
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
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From andyglines at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 29 05:44:05 2004
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:44:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] RE: Venn-Severin
Message-ID: <BAY19-F25pvTjtPUNWY000ad29e@hotmail.com>

Ron, I would like to know a little about the foundation under the 
Venn-Severin.  The SIAM Club owns a 100HP V-S that I want to get set on a 
permanent foundation.  One problem is that I don't know what it takes to 
hold the engine.

>
> >Hi Peter.
> >No the Venn-Severin is not a runner.  It was apart for years, last year
> >they set the cylinders and heads on, and gave it a paint job to make it
> >look presentable.  With some work it should run.
> >
> >Ron Haskell

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From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Jun 29 08:14:17 2004
From: frappi at wcoil.com (frappi at wcoil.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:14:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Last chance Log Saw Engine in WA.  
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040629111417.00800b60@pop3.wcoil.com>

Last chance guys anyone want the log saw engine parts in WA. state before I
tell the fellow to scrap them? 

Heres the original note: 
>I just got this engine is Auburn, WA. and Is there anyone near
>there that could use the left  over parts? Or pick it up and bring it along
>to Portland Show in August? Or any points further east then it is? The
>seller is removing the mag and bracket and the carb and shipping those
>parts to me and he is going to scrap the rest if nothing happens. Anyone
>want the rest? Its a drag saw, most likely a Wade. Looks like good parts.
>If I can't get a ride for it or nobody wants the rest its gonna be scrapped. 
>I'd like to have the whole thing but shipping (through a freight company)
is too much to invest unless
>I can get a ride for it              The fellow who has the engine goes
>July 10 & 11 to Shelton, Washington. This may help some. 
>
>

As I said he's going to scrap them, anybody want the parts? Free Free Free
Going Once, Going Twice 


                   Maytag Mark
 

Mark Shulaw            GOD BLESS THE USA! 
454 Co. Rd. 33              
Bluffton, Ohio 45817        <frappi at wcoil.com>  419-358-5206



From segray at mlode.com  Tue Jun 29 11:58:05 2004
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:58:05 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...
Message-ID: <40E1BBBD.4000003@mlode.com>

Hi All -

   Some of you out here on the Left Coast have seen this trailer before, 
but I need some input. I've acquired several old porcelain light sockets 
and am toying with the idea of mounting several around the edge of the 
trailer. Questions are: to do it or not; if so, how many, etc. My first 
opinion is it might be too gaudy, but then again...  If I do install 
'em, I'll most likely use the clear 40 watt bulbs, unless the consensus 
points to something else. There would be a max. 12 in all. All 
electrical on the trailer is powered by the Lister twin in the center. 
Any and all inputs, pros and cons, welcome! Thanks!

Pictures are at:   http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com





From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jun 29 12:15:32 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:15:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Evansville 2004 SIAM show
Message-ID: <40E1BFD4.5080406@imc-group.com>

Have finally gotten the Evansville images sized and compressed suitable 
for a web page. Thank Keith, your software suggestion was a real help!
Here are some of my favorite engines at the SIAM show this year. Hope 
you enjoy them.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Evansville2004/Thumbnails.html




From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jun 29 12:27:44 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:27:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor with Wico mag fitted!
Message-ID: <40E1C2B0.4070107@imc-group.com>

Guys,
Recall the thread a while back on Baker Monitors fitted with Wico's? At 
Evansville there was one running. Here is the picture. 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Evansville2004/P6120029.JPG
While common in Australia, they are never seen here. As I recall the 
thread concluded there were none shipped in the states???
Maybe this one was imported, maybe not, who knows. Was sure fascinated 
to see it. It did have the special fuel tank to accomodate the mag.
I took more detailed photos if anyone is interested.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC



From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Tue Jun 29 13:10:53 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:10:53 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...
In-Reply-To: <40E1BBBD.4000003@mlode.com>
References: <40E1BBBD.4000003@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <0ui3e0pnavguqbe0u4tmh9p2qq1k60mtln@4ax.com>

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:58:05 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi All -
>
>   Some of you out here on the Left Coast have seen this trailer before, 
>but I need some input. I've acquired several old porcelain light sockets 
>and am toying with the idea of mounting several around the edge of the 
>trailer. Questions are: to do it or not; if so, how many, etc. My first 
>opinion is it might be too gaudy, but then again...  If I do install 
>'em, I'll most likely use the clear 40 watt bulbs, unless the consensus 
>points to something else. There would be a max. 12 in all. All 
>electrical on the trailer is powered by the Lister twin in the center. 
>Any and all inputs, pros and cons, welcome! Thanks!
>
>Pictures are at:   http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot
>
>- Steve

Nice trailer! :-))

My personal thoughts would be the survivability of anything that is relatively
delicate on the extremeties of the trailer, unless you mounted them on a carrier
bar that you could take off before travelling.

Lights are always nice at night, but I feel that they would look a bit flashy
(literally if your generator volts are too high!) for what looks like an
extremely nice setup in the first place.

I've often wondered about getting a couple of heavier-duty 500W or 1kW bulbs as
used in film & TV lighting and running them in an enclosure (and behind glass
please) to give a load and to look different.

30V 300W are common for the hand-held 'sun-gun' lights, the others are used iin
the larger lamp heads.

Peter

--
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Tue Jun 29 13:29:31 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:29:31 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Evansville 2004 SIAM show
References: <40E1BFD4.5080406@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c45e17$c96d0380$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Thanks for sharing the pics Curt, there're some
very pretty engines to see. 

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl



> Have finally gotten the Evansville images sized and compressed suitable 
> for a web page. Thank Keith, your software suggestion was a real help!
> Here are some of my favorite engines at the SIAM show this year. Hope 
> you enjoy them.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Evansville2004/Thumbnails.html




From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Tue Jun 29 13:41:34 2004
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:41:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...
References: <40E1BBBD.4000003@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c45e19$78d784c0$24b74004@dslverizon.net>

Hi Steve,

It looks real nice but also very fragile.  I would be worried about thumps
and bumps moving the trailer around.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA, U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Gray" <segray at mlode.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 11:58 AM
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...


> Hi All -
>
>    Some of you out here on the Left Coast have seen this trailer before,
> but I need some input. I've acquired several old porcelain light sockets
> and am toying with the idea of mounting several around the edge of the
> trailer. Questions are: to do it or not; if so, how many, etc. My first
> opinion is it might be too gaudy, but then again...  If I do install
> 'em, I'll most likely use the clear 40 watt bulbs, unless the consensus
> points to something else. There would be a max. 12 in all. All
> electrical on the trailer is powered by the Lister twin in the center.
> Any and all inputs, pros and cons, welcome! Thanks!
>
> Pictures are at:   http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot
>
> - Steve
>
> --
> Steve Gray
> Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
> Sonora, California USA
> e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
> Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com
>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Jun 29 15:08:11 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:08:11 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...
Message-ID: <20040629.150812.856.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Steve.
I go along with the other opinions that the lights placed in the second
picture look like they would have a very short life, getting bumped etc. 
The overhead light in the first picture looks really nice, but it doesn't
use up the nice porcelain sockets you have.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:58:05 -0700 Steve Gray <segray at mlode.com> writes:
> Hi All -
> 
>    Some of you out here on the Left Coast have seen this trailer 
> before, 
> but I need some input. I've acquired several old porcelain light 
> sockets 
> and am toying with the idea of mounting several around the edge of 
> the 
> trailer. Questions are: to do it or not; if so, how many, etc. My 
> first 
> opinion is it might be too gaudy, but then again...  If I do install 
> 
> 'em, I'll most likely use the clear 40 watt bulbs, unless the 
> consensus 
> points to something else. There would be a max. 12 in all. All 
> electrical on the trailer is powered by the Lister twin in the 
> center. 
> Any and all inputs, pros and cons, welcome! Thanks!
> 
> Pictures are at:   http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot
> 
> - Steve
> 
> -- 
> Steve Gray
> Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
> Sonora, California USA
> e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
> Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com
>


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jun 29 15:56:13 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:56:13 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...
References: <20040629.150812.856.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c45e2c$475a78e0$ef856ad5@zen>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 11:08 PM
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...


> Hi Steve.
> I go along with the other opinions that the lights placed in the second
> picture look like they would have a very short life, getting bumped etc. 
> The overhead light in the first picture looks really nice, but it doesn't
> use up the nice porcelain sockets you have.
> Ron Haskell

My 25 years experience is that the sockets should be OK if you remove the bulbs until you set up.
The lamp on the post should be made removable for transit with a plug & socket for connection.
Take a few replacement bulbs & sockets & a test meter & you should show fine.
Dave Croft



From ignitors at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 29 15:59:57 2004
From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:59:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor with Wico mag fitted!
References: <40E1C2B0.4070107@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <001501c45e2c$cd108380$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>

Hi Curt, it was the Monitor with a Dixie that is never seen in the states, I
have seen several with the EK.

Ted Brookover
4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
816-763-3142
ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page,
http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/
Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL(new)" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 2:27 PM
Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor with Wico mag fitted!


> Guys,
> Recall the thread a while back on Baker Monitors fitted with Wico's? At
> Evansville there was one running. Here is the picture.
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Evansville2004/P6120029.JPG
> While common in Australia, they are never seen here. As I recall the
> thread concluded there were none shipped in the states???
> Maybe this one was imported, maybe not, who knows. Was sure fascinated
> to see it. It did have the special fuel tank to accomodate the mag.
> I took more detailed photos if anyone is interested.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
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From segray at mlode.com  Tue Jun 29 17:01:34 2004
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:01:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...
In-Reply-To: <40E1BBBD.4000003@mlode.com>
References: <40E1BBBD.4000003@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <40E202DE.2000001@mlode.com>

  Well, as far as the sockets go, I'm not overly worried about breakage, 
though if it's possible, yours truly will find a way to destroy at least 
one! True, the bulbs are the weak point for physical breakage. If I 
actually manage to stay away from wiping them out  in the sockets, past 
experience tells me they should hold up pretty well, filament wise. I 
currently use the 'ruggedized' bulbs used in ceiling fans in the panel 
placed next to the genset. It's mounted directly to the wood rails the 
set sits on and easily takes all the vibration from the twin plus the 
trailer. I've only lost one so far over a year and a half of shows and 
travel. That's another point; the peripheral bulbs would be removed 
during transit. All of this, I suppose, is in lieu of not being able to 
find what I call a "pie pan" style street light that I'd like to be able 
to mount on the back end of the trailer. By pie pan I mean the old style 
flat corrugated tin reflector, white porcelain underside, usually green 
porcelain top with a bare bulb hanging from the socket. I stuck an EBAY 
photo of what I'm referring to at 
http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/antiquelite.jpg. Anyway, my 
personal concern with this whole bulb/socket thing, is how hokey it 
would look. :-\   I got upwards of 7500 watts to burn!

TTYL

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com





From BillMil357 at aol.com  Tue Jun 29 21:00:54 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:00:54 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.
Message-ID: <be.1055ab03.2e1394f6@aol.com>

Hey Men;

I told my OLE friend Paul Maples the other day that I wanted a pitcher pump 
to run with my Hercules engine with a pump jack so I met him today and he gave 
me one (Thanks again Paul) and I am trying to find out what kind it is, the 
only number on it is FP 3 cast into the pump handle, also can anyone tell me 
where I can purchase pump leathers for it. I am also looking for a small belt 
driven pump jack that someone may have lying around that I may belt up to my 
Hercules 1 3/4 S when I finish restoring it. I will list my Webshots address below 
and you can see the pump under pitcher pump and if you will look under my 
Siam show pictures album there is a nice picture of a pitcher pump display that a 
fellow had at the SIAM show that mine will look similar.

http://community.webshots.com/user/billmil357

Thanks,

Bill Miller.


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Jun 30 03:06:37 2004
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:06:37 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.
Message-ID: <063020041006.28764.3994@mchsi.com>

Hey Bill,
Give me some measurements of the your leather cup sizes, maybeable to help. 
Got a very large stock of new old style pump leathers.  Contact me off list.
Curt Andree
> Hey Men;
> 
> I told my OLE friend Paul Maples the other day that I wanted a pitcher pump 
> to run with my Hercules engine with a pump jack so I met him today and he gave 
> me one (Thanks again Paul) and I am trying to find out what kind it is, the 
> only number on it is FP 3 cast into the pump handle, also can anyone tell me 
> where I can purchase pump leathers for it. I am also looking for a small belt 
> driven pump jack that someone may have lying around that I may belt up to my 
> Hercules 1 3/4 S when I finish restoring it. I will list my Webshots address 
> below 
> and you can see the pump under pitcher pump and if you will look under my 
> Siam show pictures album there is a nice picture of a pitcher pump display that 
> a 
> fellow had at the SIAM show that mine will look similar.
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/user/billmil357
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bill Miller.
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jun 30 04:45:18 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:45:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.
References: <be.1055ab03.2e1394f6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <40E2A7CE.6010309@imc-group.com>

Bill,
If someone can dig up a phone number for Jack Welton of Ohio, he could 
certainly ID your pump. Jack is THE waterpump guru!
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

BillMil357 at aol.com wrote:

>Hey Men;
>
>I told my OLE friend Paul Maples the other day that I wanted a pitcher pump 
>to run with my Hercules engine with a pump jack so I met him today and he gave 
>me one (Thanks again Paul) and I am trying to find out what kind it is, the 
>only number on it is FP 3 cast into the pump handle, also can anyone tell me 
>where I can purchase pump leathers for it. I am also looking for a small belt 
>driven pump jack that someone may have lying around that I may belt up to my 
>Hercules 1 3/4 S when I finish restoring it. I will list my Webshots address below 
>and you can see the pump under pitcher pump and if you will look under my 
>Siam show pictures album there is a nice picture of a pitcher pump display that a 
>fellow had at the SIAM show that mine will look similar.
>




From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jun 30 04:52:57 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:52:57 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.
Message-ID: <1e4.2404d692.2e140399@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/30/2004 12:59:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
BillMil357 at aol.com writes:

<< I told my OLE friend Paul Maples the other day that I wanted a pitcher 
pump 
 to run with my Hercules engine with a pump jack so I met him today and he 
gave 
 me one  >>


Bill,

Did they make a pump jack to fit a pitcher pump?  I have seen plenty for the 
larger well pumps, but not sure I have seen one for the smaller ones.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From christison at coastalnet.com  Wed Jun 30 05:02:28 2004
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:02:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.
References: <be.1055ab03.2e1394f6@aol.com> <40E2A7CE.6010309@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <000901c45e9a$1eb269c0$0100a8c0@mshome.net>

Jack Welton  Ph. 330 666 1576 or weltonspump at aol.com

Welton's Maintenance
4117 Copley Rd
Copley, OH 44321
(330)666-1576

Take care.

Ken
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt Holland" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.


> Bill,
> If someone can dig up a phone number for Jack Welton of Ohio, he could 
> certainly ID your pump. Jack is THE waterpump guru!
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jun 30 05:50:21 2004
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:50:21 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...
References: <40E1BBBD.4000003@mlode.com> <40E202DE.2000001@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <02ef01c45ea0$cf2fef60$39e031d2@km>

G'Day Steve

What a great looking trailer and load, well done I like it
Kerry





Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW OZ

Web   http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49

Friends in Engines





From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jun 30 07:24:41 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:24:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...
In-Reply-To: <40E202DE.2000001@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <008d01c45ead$fc8b5780$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

One genset display I saw had the lights mounted on a bar over the trailer.
There were uprights that fit into small tubes sort of like "stake pockets"
with a cross-piece the sockets were mounted onto.
This put the lights over the trailer and made a great display at night,
fully lit.
The whole thing was easily broken down and stowed for travel, and no one
could touch or break the bulbs as they were up just out of reach. 

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Gray
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 7:02 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Display opinion needed...


  Well, as far as the sockets go, I'm not overly worried about breakage, 
though if it's possible, yours truly will find a way to destroy at least 
one! True, the bulbs are the weak point for physical breakage. If I 
actually manage to stay away from wiping them out  in the sockets, past 
experience tells me they should hold up pretty well, filament wise. I 
currently use the 'ruggedized' bulbs used in ceiling fans in the panel 
placed next to the genset. It's mounted directly to the wood rails the 
set sits on and easily takes all the vibration from the twin plus the 
trailer. I've only lost one so far over a year and a half of shows and 
travel. That's another point; the peripheral bulbs would be removed 
during transit. All of this, I suppose, is in lieu of not being able to 
find what I call a "pie pan" style street light that I'd like to be able 
to mount on the back end of the trailer. By pie pan I mean the old style 
flat corrugated tin reflector, white porcelain underside, usually green 
porcelain top with a bare bulb hanging from the socket. I stuck an EBAY 
photo of what I'm referring to at 
http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/antiquelite.jpg. Anyway, my 
personal concern with this whole bulb/socket thing, is how hokey it 
would look. :-\   I got upwards of 7500 watts to burn!

TTYL

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



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From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jun 30 08:04:35 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:04:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...
Message-ID: <20040630.112754.1076.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Steve - 
Without going into all the ramifications - I think two of the "pie-pan"
street lights (one at each end) would look great !!!

If you must use all those white ceramic sockets - Why not run a couple
strings above the trailer.

With the lights down on the rail (like you have them ), I think, in your
words, would look to hokey.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Poor is the nation having no heroes -   
 \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From dotto at velocitus.net  Wed Jun 30 08:29:39 2004
From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:29:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Missoula show
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV620FUZe1r0x00006bfe@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000401c45eb7$0f76b340$01043c0a@DD1BF421>

Hey Rick,

Are you still around? I will be heading up to Missoula on Friday with my
wife and kids. We are planning to set up with the Branch 150 folks from
Idaho. Just look for my really shiny 1.5 hp John Deere.

Will you be displaying any thing, or just looking?

Dave


Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Strobel
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 8:46 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Missoula show

  Howdy all;
  Well Kathy and I went to the Lewistown, Mt. (EDGE&Ta) show last
weekend. 
Very Kewl 150 hp F-M horizontal, two lunger, two stroke...permanent
display 
up and runnin.  Lots of tractors..not too many engines.  Took some
pictures, 
but can't post them as my graphics capability has gone south on this
cyber 
box.

   Kathy and I plan on being at the Missoula show on the 3rd..next
month. 
Who else plans on coming?  I believe Mr. Parks said he'd be there..don't

know about Skip L.

   Well life is good in Montana....sawrig coming along fine.   I found a

commercial Magnet Recharger that I borrowed..so that's pretty kewl also.

Ya'll take care,
RickinMt.
 "Beauty is in the eyes of the beerholders"

 
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From segray at mlode.com  Wed Jun 30 08:38:33 2004
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:38:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...
In-Reply-To: <40E1BBBD.4000003@mlode.com>
References: <40E1BBBD.4000003@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <40E2DE79.2030105@mlode.com>

Mornin' All -

   Thanks to all who replied on/off list. I think what I might try, is 
building up a small number of socket mounts and trying it. Not wanting 
to punch any more holes than necessary in the trailer, most all the 
hardware will clamp in place. I forgot to mention, the existing street 
light and post DO all come apart and are removed for transit. In fact, a 
custom enclosure (bin) was built onto the trailer containing a cradle 
that the light gets strapped into. Gives me a place to store spare 
bulbs, too. The light dates back to the late teens early 20s and was 
pulled out of service in L.A. in the 60's, being recovered by my dad who 
worked for the power company (DWP).  It uses a 500w, 115v bulb. I should 
try to get some updated pictures of the whole setup when I have it out 
in a few weeks. Thanks again!

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



Steve Gray wrote:

> Hi All -
>
>   Some of you out here on the Left Coast have seen this trailer 
> before, but I need some input. I've acquired several old porcelain 
> light sockets and am toying with the idea of mounting several around 
> the edge of the trailer. Questions are: to do it or not; if so, how 
> many, etc. My first opinion is it might be too gaudy, but then 
> again...  If I do install 'em, I'll most likely use the clear 40 watt 
> bulbs, unless the consensus points to something else. There would be a 
> max. 12 in all. All electrical on the trailer is powered by the Lister 
> twin in the center. Any and all inputs, pros and cons, welcome! Thanks!
>
> Pictures are at:   http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot
>
> - Steve
>



From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Wed Jun 30 08:56:41 2004
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:56:41 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.
Message-ID: <1e.2d4d1fdd.2e143cb9@aol.com>

Hi Bill,
When I was but a wee lad an Aunt in SE Kansas had one of those in her 
kitchen.  It would pump water from the cistern outdoors to a tank up in the attic.  
Then, she could turn on the faucet in her kitchen sink and water from the attic 
tank would flow.

Your pump has a packing gland and, on the lift stroke can build enough 
pressure to easily put water 15 or 20 feet higher than the pump.  Once you find a 
good leather (have you looked at the one it has in it?  Maybe oiling it with 
neatsfoot oil will rejuvenate it and you won't need a new leather.) When you have 
cleaned the check valve (should be a ball or leather flap at the bottom) your 
pump should prime itself, especially if you are lifting water from only a 
foot or two below the pump.

If you want to run it like a picture pump, just remove the plug and install a 
faucet.  You should keep the handle setup because it is designed to give a 
straight pull to the piston rod as required by the packing gland.  With a hose, 
and nozzle, your should be able to squirt water a good distance with this 
pump.  What you have is a prehistoric pressure washer.

Nice find!

Regards,
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, Virginia 



In a message dated 6/30/2004 12:59:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
BillMil357 at aol.com writes:

> Hey Men;
> 
> I told my OLE friend Paul Maples the other day that I wanted a pitcher pump 
> to run with my Hercules engine with a pump jack so I met him today and he 
> gave 
> me one (Thanks again Paul) and I am trying to find out what kind it is, the 
> only number on it is FP 3 cast into the pump handle, also can anyone tell me 
> 
> where I can purchase pump leathers for it. I am also looking for a small 
> belt 
> driven pump jack that someone may have lying around that I may belt up to my 
> 
> Hercules 1 3/4 S when I finish restoring it. I will list my Webshots address 
> below 
> and you can see the pump under pitcher pump and if you will look under my 
> Siam show pictures album there is a nice picture of a pitcher pump display 
> that a 
> fellow had at the SIAM show that mine will look similar.
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/user/billmil357
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bill Miller.
> _______________________________________________



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Jun 30 10:24:51 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (dave croft)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:24:51 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...
References: <20040630.112754.1076.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c45ec7$2709e800$06856ad5@one>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Display opinion needed...


> Hi Steve - 
> Without going into all the ramifications - I think two of the "pie-pan"
> street lights (one at each end) would look great !!!
> If you must use all those white ceramic sockets - Why not run a couple
> strings above the trailer.
> With the lights down on the rail (like you have them ), I think, in your
> words, would look to hokey.
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 

There are a few shows in England towards the end of the season
which specialise in lighting displays.
The main show is after dark when rows of lamps make sailing ships, pictures 
& all sorts of display. Those of us that don't drive a dynamo use carbide lamps 
& paraffin lamps to illuminate our displays.
Dave Croft.



From BillMil357 at aol.com  Wed Jun 30 10:38:31 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:38:31 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.
Message-ID: <9b.49cfd28a.2e145497@aol.com>

Thanks, Curt. Curt. Ken and Tom. For the information. Ken I just added three 
more pictures on my Webshots page of a pitcher pump display I saw at the SIAM 
show and what I am calling a pump jack is probably something else, look at the 
pictures and tell me what that is that is driven by the motor and moves the 
arm up and down to operate the pump? Curt Andree I will get back to you on the 
pump leathers as soon as I dismantle the pump.

Thanks friends,

Bill Miller.


From BillMil357 at aol.com  Wed Jun 30 10:50:29 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:50:29 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.
Message-ID: <c6.2df45192.2e145765@aol.com>

Hey  I forgot to list my Webshots address a few minutes ago

http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=1
57829854

Thanks, Curt. Curt. Ken and Tom. For the information. Ken I just added three 
more pictures on my Webshots page of a pitcher pump display I saw at the SIAM 
show and what I am calling a pump jack is probably something else, look at the 
pictures and tell me what that is that is driven by the motor and moves the 
arm up and down to operate the pump? Curt Andree I will get back to you on the 
pump leathers as soon as I dismantle the pump.

Thanks friends,

Bill Miller.


From BillMil357 at aol.com  Wed Jun 30 11:04:19 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:04:19 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.
Message-ID: <1dd.255465ef.2e145aa3@aol.com>

Hi Ron;

Man you have sure shed some light on my pump, if you wanted to run a pipe 
straight up where the plug is would you put the plug in the hole on the side?

Thanks,

Bill.


From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Wed Jun 30 12:34:06 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:34:06 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Scientific Instrument transportation to Portland 
Message-ID: <qt46e0t0timkfdigak7nsqem2v74m05h76@4ax.com>

We have a few items that we need to sort out transport for, ready for Portland
this year.

They are all wooden-cased type of instruments, in the following locations:

Deerfield, New Hampshire
Catskill Mtns, NY
Jackson, NJ 

One further unit is in LA, but that is going to our friends in Cupertino for
collection on our next visit, so no problem with that one. Sizes vary, but a
foot cube is probably average.

We can get them posted anywhere, but they still need to be brought to the
Portland show for us to collect and bring back home after the show.

Any suggestions/offers  please?

Peter

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From segray at mlode.com  Wed Jun 30 12:47:33 2004
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:47:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Display opinion needed...
In-Reply-To: <20040630.112754.1076.0.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20040630.112754.1076.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <40E318D5.3010403@mlode.com>

   I have to agree, Joe. Looking at it again, the thought that comes to 
mind is "Circus Wagon". Not good. I like your idea, Bill, but with the 
equipment lay out that exists, I don't think it's feasible. OK, scrap 
the sockets, I'll patiently(?) wait for a "pie pan" to show up!

- Steve

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jlb94 at juno.com wrote:

>Hi Steve - 
>Without going into all the ramifications - I think two of the "pie-pan"
>street lights (one at each end) would look great !!!
>
>If you must use all those white ceramic sockets - Why not run a couple
>strings above the trailer.
>
>With the lights down on the rail (like you have them ), I think, in your
>words, would look to hokey.
>
>
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
>jlb94 at juno.com
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> \/)"(\/            Shameful is the one having them that forgets "  
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From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Wed Jun 30 13:45:48 2004
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:45:48 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.
Message-ID: <12e.45558f70.2e14807c@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/30/2004 4:33:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
BillMil357 at aol.com writes:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Ron;
> 
> Man you have sure shed some light on my pump, if you wanted to run a pipe 
> straight up where the plug is would you put the plug in the hole on the 
> side?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bill.

Hi Bill,
Yes, either the hole on top that is plugged, or, the hole on the side can be 
output.  You should have another hole or pipe under your pump that is the 
intake port.  Just above it should be a built in check valve.  IF that valve is 
missing, you can install a simple flap check valve in the intake line.  That 
will work OK, especially if your intake line is pipe, not poly.

Pay attention to the geometry of your power setup.  If you use a walking beam 
as you saw at SIAM, you might set up the center of the walking beam so that 
it has enough pivot motion to keep your pump piston rod centered in the packing 
gland.  Those parts can all be wood, and you'll get lots of monkey motion.  
You can use cardboard, and cut out the shapes, then pin them together and study 
the motion before you make them of wood, using the cardboard as templates for 
cutting your wood.  

I think you have a fine pump there, with much more potential than a common 
pitcher pump.

Ron



From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Jun 30 14:01:55 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:01:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Scientific Instrument transportation to Portland 
References: <qt46e0t0timkfdigak7nsqem2v74m05h76@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <08d801c45ee5$7be05e40$0400a8c0@Dave>

> We have a few items that we need to sort out transport for, ready for
Portland
> this year.
> They are all wooden-cased type of instruments, in the following locations:
> Deerfield, New Hampshire
> Catskill Mtns, NY
> Jackson, NJ
> One further unit is in LA, but that is going to our friends in Cupertino
for
> collection on our next visit, so no problem with that one. Sizes vary, but
a
> foot cube is probably average.
> We can get them posted anywhere, but they still need to be brought to the
> Portland show for us to collect and bring back home after the show.
> Any suggestions/offers  please?
> Peter
Hi Peter,
    If a "foot cube" means 12" X 12" X 12" (and there are 3 such crates) I
can get them to Portland if you can get them to me. Contact me off List.
    Dave



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Wed Jun 30 15:45:01 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 00:45:01 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Scientific Instrument transportation to Portland
References: <qt46e0t0timkfdigak7nsqem2v74m05h76@4ax.com>
	<08d801c45ee5$7be05e40$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <003d01c45ef3$e0e2f290$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn>

Hi Dave, that remembers me the post I got lately from
 a Pittsburgh  "House" they offered me a special surprise
in a 12x12x12 box good for the four seasons.

John H.

> Hi Peter,
>     If a "foot cube" means 12" X 12" X 12" (and there are 3 such crates) I
> can get them to Portland if you can get them to me. Contact me off List.
>     Dave




From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jun 30 16:05:22 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:05:22 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.
Message-ID: <15c.3837a630.2e14a132@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/30/2004 4:29:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
BillMil357 at aol.com writes:

<< what I am calling a pump jack is probably something else, look at the 
 pictures and tell me what that is that is driven by the motor and moves the 
 arm up and down to operate the pump >>


Bill,

Guess that is some sort of gear reducer with an eccentric arm on the other 
side moving the walking beam to pump.  That is a nice set up and what a 
beautiful job on the muffler.  Bet it is a quiet running Hercules!

http://community.webshots.com/photo/157829854/158041925dHQYNe

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From BillMil357 at aol.com  Wed Jun 30 16:19:46 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:19:46 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.
Message-ID: <9a.e39bd4c.2e14a492@aol.com>

Hi Tom;

Did you click to the right and see the eccentric in the next two pictures. My 
Herc. is just like this fellows other than mine has a Wico ignitor and his 
has a Webster.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/157829854/158041925dHQYNe


From d.fleming at sasktel.net  Wed Jun 30 17:59:19 2004
From: d.fleming at sasktel.net (D. Fleming)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:59:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.
References: <1dd.255465ef.2e145aa3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002401c45f06$b398e200$cdc36e40@don>

Hi Bill,

I think what you may have is a pump that was used in a house with hot water
heat.  My uncle had such a house with the big hot water radiators in each
room and an expansion tank sitting on one of the radiators in an upstairs
bedroom.  Every morning they would look at the level of the water in the
expansion tank and then come down and screw in the plug leading to the
kitchen sink and pump water from the cistern up into the tank in the
upstairs bedroom.  They then removed the plug and used the pump for their
other water needs.  I spent some time looking for that pump after the house
was vacated but could never find it.

Don Fleming
Kipling, Sask. Canada
<d.fleming at sasktel.net>


----- Original Message -----
From: <BillMil357 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc.


> Hi Ron;
>
> Man you have sure shed some light on my pump, if you wanted to run a pipe
> straight up where the plug is would you put the plug in the hole on the
side?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill.
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From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Wed Jun 30 23:32:46 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 07:32:46 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Scientific Instrument transportation to Portland 
In-Reply-To: <08d801c45ee5$7be05e40$0400a8c0@Dave>
References: <qt46e0t0timkfdigak7nsqem2v74m05h76@4ax.com>
	<08d801c45ee5$7be05e40$0400a8c0@Dave>
Message-ID: <nvb7e0l4gjkq6hujs6ojdhaj0dg92f624o@4ax.com>

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:01:55 -0400, you wrote:

>> We have a few items that we need to sort out transport for, ready for
>Portland
>> this year.
>> They are all wooden-cased type of instruments, in the following locations:
>> Deerfield, New Hampshire
>> Catskill Mtns, NY
>> Jackson, NJ
>> One further unit is in LA, but that is going to our friends in Cupertino
>for
>> collection on our next visit, so no problem with that one. Sizes vary, but
>a
>> foot cube is probably average.
>> We can get them posted anywhere, but they still need to be brought to the
>> Portland show for us to collect and bring back home after the show.
>> Any suggestions/offers  please?
>> Peter
>Hi Peter,
>    If a "foot cube" means 12" X 12" X 12" (and there are 3 such crates) I
>can get them to Portland if you can get them to me. Contact me off List.
>    Dave

Thanks, Dave, I have emailed you off-list as requested.

Peter

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diesel at easynet.co.uk
Engine pages for preservation info:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel