starting them with a little engine and a rubber wheel? = = = = = Hi Glenn - My Suggestion - GET HELP !!! - Forget the rubber wheel. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz