From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 1 04:19:29 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 05:19:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Missoula show References: <000401c45eb7$0f76b340$01043c0a@DD1BF421> Message-ID: Howdy Dave. Should be there on Saturday and I won't be showing. No trailer yet. See ya there. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Otto" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:29 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Missoula show > Hey Rick, > > Are you still around? I will be heading up to Missoula on Friday with my > wife and kids. We are planning to set up with the Branch 150 folks from > Idaho. Just look for my really shiny 1.5 hp John Deere. > > Will you be displaying any thing, or just looking? > > Dave > > > Dave Otto > Boise, Idaho > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 8:46 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Missoula show > > Howdy all; > Well Kathy and I went to the Lewistown, Mt. (EDGE&Ta) show last > weekend. > Very Kewl 150 hp F-M horizontal, two lunger, two stroke...permanent > display > up and runnin. Lots of tractors..not too many engines. Took some > pictures, > but can't post them as my graphics capability has gone south on this > cyber > box. > > Kathy and I plan on being at the Missoula show on the 3rd..next > month. > Who else plans on coming? I believe Mr. Parks said he'd be there..don't > > know about Skip L. > > Well life is good in Montana....sawrig coming along fine. I found a > > commercial Magnet Recharger that I borrowed..so that's pretty kewl also. > > Ya'll take care, > RickinMt. > "Beauty is in the eyes of the beerholders" > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Jul 1 04:39:51 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:39:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc. Message-ID: <070120041139.19034.7146@mchsi.com> Bill after you take apart the pump try to measure the leathers if they are still there. If not you may have measure the openings and will have make some guesses as to proper sizes. Not too many I don't have. Also need to know if they were flat or cuped. Curt Andree > Hey I forgot to list my Webshots address a few minutes ago > > http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=1 > 57829854 > > Thanks, Curt. Curt. Ken and Tom. For the information. Ken I just added three > more pictures on my Webshots page of a pitcher pump display I saw at the SIAM > show and what I am calling a pump jack is probably something else, look at the > pictures and tell me what that is that is driven by the motor and moves the > arm up and down to operate the pump? Curt Andree I will get back to you on the > pump leathers as soon as I dismantle the pump. > > Thanks friends, > > Bill Miller. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Jul 1 04:56:04 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:56:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally In-Reply-To: <40E05BFB.2D90CEDD@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <200407011209.i61C9W9I028288@heavyiron.atis.net> I enjoyed the pictures Dolly. It looks like a great time was had by all. I am looking forward to Arnie's report being ready in time for me to read to my grandchildren ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Folks I thought maybe you wouldn't want to wait for Arnie's report of the 2004 1000 Engine Rally at Astle Park. I mean, some of us may not live that long! So, to keep you going until you receive his great words of wisdom on the subject, you can take a look at my pages: http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/astle.htm Of course, you don't get all the tech stuff from me, but you can enjoy the pretty pictures anyway! Dolly From stevebarr at ameritech.net Thu Jul 1 08:02:47 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc. In-Reply-To: <070120041139.19034.7146@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20040701150247.19403.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Bill Yes, you do have a vaild pump jack there. I think that it was made in Ohio by Haller. I had a pump jack just like it, but gave it to a friend (who stores many of my engines on his farm). He is working it into another display. His old display which he sold last year is pictured here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2002SandwichFair/59.jpg The key is to get the leather cup to start swelling a day before the show...We did this on that black pump (mounted on yellow milk can at SIAM) and it worked great...otherwise, it takes a few primes if it hasn't been used for several weeks. Steve --- Bill wrote: Hey I forgot to list my Webshots address a few minutes ago http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=157829854 Thanks, Curt. Curt. Ken and Tom. For the information. Ken I just added three more pictures on my Webshots page of a pitcher pump display I saw at the SIAM show and what I am calling a pump jack is probably something else, look at the pictures and tell me what that is that is driven by the motor and moves the arm up and down to operate the pump? Curt Andree I will get back to you on the pump leathers as soon as I dismantle the pump. Thanks friends, Bill Miller. From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu Jul 1 13:48:47 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 21:48:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally References: <200407011209.i61C9W9I028288@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <40E478AF.1E06733@insulate.co.uk> Hi Patrick Just between you and me, I THINK we're getting somewhere with the LAST trip report. I've got Arnie on a work-reward scheme and progress is gradually being made. Here's a pic of how it works: http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/work4beer.jpg Dolly Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > I enjoyed the pictures Dolly. It looks like a great time was had by all. I > am looking forward to Arnie's report being ready in time for me to read to > my grandchildren ;) -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Jul 1 13:53:57 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (dave croft) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:53:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Leader Engines Message-ID: <003801c45fad$875b3920$06856ad5@one> Hi Gang, I just had a call from a chap in Dorset called Eddie Ridout. Last year I contacted him about an American Leader engine he had at the 1000 engine 2 years ago. He said I told him it was someone abroad, possibly Dutch or Aussie. Does anyone remember anything about this. As you know I suffer from severe memory problems & cannot remember who asked me for information. If you know anybody can you please let me know. Eddie never heard from anyone about it & he is interested in a contact Regards, Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Jul 1 14:35:41 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 23:35:41 +0200 Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally References: <200407011209.i61C9W9I028288@heavyiron.atis.net> <40E478AF.1E06733@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <001701c45fb3$5bfa94f0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Dolly, seldom seen such a nice and quitely Gentleman. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > I've got Arnie on a work-reward scheme and progress is gradually > being made. > Here's a pic of how it works: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/work4beer.jpg > > Dolly From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Jul 1 15:54:53 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (dave croft) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 23:54:53 +0100 Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally References: <200407011209.i61C9W9I028288@heavyiron.atis.net> <40E478AF.1E06733@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <004701c45fbe$6c0bbcb0$06856ad5@one> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally > Hi Patrick > Just between you and me, I THINK we're getting somewhere with the LAST trip > report. I've got Arnie on a work-reward scheme and progress is gradually > being made. > Here's a pic of how it works: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/work4beer.jpg > Dolly Hi Helen, It won't work You forgot the bottle opener & the glass! From pmaples at anaxis.net Thu Jul 1 17:25:38 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 19:25:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc. References: <9a.e39bd4c.2e14a492@aol.com> Message-ID: <04b401c45fcb$1d0fefc0$cff70cd1@VAIO> Hey Bill, just got home from St. Louis and I see you are having a fun time with the old pump I gave you and that you are getting a lot of input from the folks on the list. I got to looking at the SIAM picture of the Hercules - Pump setup again that you posted on your webshots site and just noticed that the pump I gave you is not exactly like the one that was at Siam. The one at SIAM has the water spout and the one I gave you does not, I was feeling bad when I realized this but when I read Ron's input where he thinks you now have a pretty good pump setup I felt better. Did not want to give my OLE Buddy something he could not use. I am thrilled you are having fun with it. IT has been setting in my shop for about four years, like I said I bought it an old estate auction in Central Illinois. I will be following your threads. Be sure and post pictures for us all to see showing it all apart once you dismantle it. Your OLE Arkansas Buddy, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc. > Hi Tom; > > Did you click to the right and see the eccentric in the next two pictures. My > Herc. is just like this fellows other than mine has a Wico ignitor and his > has a Webster. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/157829854/158041925dHQYNe > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From BillMil357 at aol.com Thu Jul 1 18:11:47 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:11:47 EDT Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc. Message-ID: <19a.2673b120.2e161053@aol.com> Hi Paul; I am glad you had a safe trip and got it behind you, yeah I am proud of the pump I was just going to put me a small piece of pipe with an elbow on it to run back in the tub, but Ron Carrol was telling me that his Aunt had one to pump water up to a tank in the attic and then drained back down to the sink with a faucet. I have sent some info. and pictures to a fellow hoping he can tell me who made it and what for. Click on this and go to the pump album. http://community.webshots.com/user/billmil357 Your OLE engine buddy, Bill. From pmaples at anaxis.net Thu Jul 1 18:40:01 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:40:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc. References: <20040701150247.19403.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <053f01c45fd5$83c0a610$cff70cd1@VAIO> Steve if you get a chance and it is not too much trouble could you send me some pictures of the Corn Sheller? I lost the pictures you sent me when my hard drive crashed and I just want to look at it and swoon over it. Thanks for selling it to me and I will be happy to send you your money right now of you want me to. Thanks Steve, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc. > Bill > > Yes, you do have a vaild pump jack there. I think that it was made in > Ohio by Haller. I had a pump jack just like it, but gave it to a friend > (who stores many of my engines on his farm). He is working it into > another display. His old display which he sold last year is pictured here: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2002SandwichFair/59.jpg > > The key is to get the leather cup to start swelling a day before the > show...We did this on that black pump (mounted on yellow milk can at SIAM) > and it worked great...otherwise, it takes a few primes if it hasn't been > used for several weeks. > > Steve > --- Bill wrote: > Hey I forgot to list my Webshots address a few minutes ago > http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=157829854 > > Thanks, Curt. Curt. Ken and Tom. For the information. Ken I just added > three more pictures on my Webshots page of a pitcher pump display I saw at > the SIAM show and what I am calling a pump jack is probably something > else, look at the pictures and tell me what that is that is driven by the > motor and moves the arm up and down to operate the pump? Curt Andree I > will get back to you on the pump leathers as soon as I dismantle the pump. > > Thanks friends, > > Bill Miller. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From FRM8198 at aol.com Thu Jul 1 21:06:48 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:06:48 EDT Subject: [SEL] Maytag Model 92 Update Message-ID: <3e.40fc2e21.2e163958@aol.com> Hi List, Well, the third Maytag Model 92 which was stuck is now running. I borrowed the missing magneto parts from one of the other running engines to get it in operating condition. It is hard to believe that just a few days ago this weather beaten stuck engine was inoperative and now it runs. Once I get the missing parts, there will be three Model 92 Maytags operating in my stable. I appreciate all help I have received from the list. It sure has been a learning experience for me such as removing rusted nuts/bolts, making gaskets, freeing a rusted piston, etc. Next week, I hope to get started on one of the twins. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From sutter at iprimus.com.au Fri Jul 2 03:53:36 2004 From: sutter at iprimus.com.au (Sutter) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:53:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Bamford big end EV1/EG1 Message-ID: This is a re-send - I don't know if it went thru the first time. G'day SEL list I have a Bamford EV1 /EG1 1.5 hp. On both engines the big end has split white metal shell inserts with shim adjustment. The difference between these big ends and all the other ones I have seen and done is that the shims sit OUTSIDE the shells ie. the shells butt up against each other and the shims are behind the shell and located by the big end bolts. The Bamford parts manual clearly shows this setup as well. Question: If you want to adjust the clearance and remove say 2 shims it does not really make any difference as the shells are already butted hard against each other. Do you have to "rub' the surface of each shell down the required amount on fine emery/flat surface to match the thickness of shims removed ? If so isn't this method inaccurate and basically not very good- if you rub the shell down too much it could then move slightly in the big end - or it might not be square etc. etc. Am I missing something ? Engines I have dealt with have the shims between the shells - you add or remove the required amount of shims - do the big end up and everything is locked together and cannot move - end of story. Also does anyone know of a source for a 10 thou undersize set of bamford big end shells ie. 1.490 inch? Looking forward to hearing from (Bamford) experts. Rod Sutter Melbourne Australia sutter at iprimus.com.au 03 9763 9235 From fbi at insulate.co.uk Fri Jul 2 05:53:22 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 13:53:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally References: <200407011209.i61C9W9I028288@heavyiron.atis.net> <40E478AF.1E06733@insulate.co.uk> <004701c45fbe$6c0bbcb0$06856ad5@one> Message-ID: <40E55AC2.2EE3B84D@insulate.co.uk> Hi Dave dave croft wrote: > > > Here's a pic of how it works: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/work4beer.jpg > > Dolly > > Hi Helen, It won't work You forgot the bottle opener & the glass! That's exactly how it DOES work - he has to EARN those too! Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Jul 2 08:20:34 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:20:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Model 92 Update Message-ID: <20040702.115222.268.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Fran, Glad you got those little engines (motors) running. It's a good feeling when you get those rusty buckets performing again ain't it? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jul 2 12:38:48 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 15:38:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally References: <200407011209.i61C9W9I028288@heavyiron.atis.net> <40E478AF.1E06733@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <40E5B9C8.8050109@imc-group.com> Whipped? :-) Curt Jim French wrote: >Hi Patrick > >Just between you and me, I THINK we're getting somewhere with the LAST trip >report. I've got Arnie on a work-reward scheme and progress is gradually >being made. >Here's a pic of how it works: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/work4beer.jpg > >Dolly > > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Jul 2 18:51:11 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:51:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: BESSEMER Message-ID: <76067908-CC93-11D8-B5DE-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Can anybody help Dan with his question? Begin forwarded message: > From: "Dan" > Date: July 2, 2004 8:22:06 PM EDT > To: > Subject: BESSEMER > > Hi John > Do you know if there is a Bessemer dating/serial number guide? > Thanks for your time. > Dan Wiese > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Jul 2 19:04:39 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 22:04:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally References: <200407011209.i61C9W9I028288@heavyiron.atis.net><40E478AF.1E06733@insulate.co.uk> <40E5B9C8.8050109@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <0abf01c460a2$194c5d60$0400a8c0@Dave> In 2000 at Portland Bambi told me that Arnie was into bondage. Perhaps Dolly is on to something--but I'll not ask what! Dave > Whipped? :-) > Curt > > Jim French wrote: > > >Hi Patrick > > > >Just between you and me, I THINK we're getting somewhere with the LAST trip > >report. I've got Arnie on a work-reward scheme and progress is gradually > >being made. > >Here's a pic of how it works: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/work4beer.jpg > > > >Dolly > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Jul 2 19:12:42 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 22:12:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Model 92 Update In-Reply-To: <3e.40fc2e21.2e163958@aol.com> References: <3e.40fc2e21.2e163958@aol.com> Message-ID: <777FBA28-CC96-11D8-B5DE-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Great work, Francis! On Jul 2, 2004, at 12:06 AM, FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > Hi List, > Well, the third Maytag Model 92 which was stuck is now running. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From segray at mlode.com Fri Jul 2 22:04:37 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 22:04:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Clointon engines.] Message-ID: <40E63E65.7030703@mlode.com> Any small Clinton engine owners out there? This guy needs a hand... Thanks - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Clinton engines. Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:53:36 EDT From: pokerrun1940 at aol.com To: segray at mlode.com I have two Clinton motors. One has no id plate but the year made is stamped on the block and is a 1952. I would like more info on this unit. The other is serial # 7327281 B Model B1290 1107 . Can you direct me to a web site that has info on Clinton motors for the serial numbers and date made? Thank you Bob From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Sat Jul 3 00:14:19 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 17:14:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] urgent call - yb stover Message-ID: hello, i am urgently looking for someone who has a vertical YB 4hp STOVER in running order. this might sound as if i am abit stupid but am having trouble working out which direction this engine should run. if we time it to run clock wise from the igniter side it only just runs but if we do it in the other direction it is hard to get the ignition timing right. hope someone out there can please HELP, getting very frustrating. yours dave in oz _________________________________________________________________ Open an Online Savings Account today & collect a bonus $30*! http://clk.atdmt.com/1DG/go/hsb005000991dg/direct/01/ From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Jul 3 01:56:46 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (dave croft) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 09:56:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tractors into the sunset Message-ID: <000d01c460db$ab9ffdf0$06856ad5@one> Sometime last year someone posted some very good pictures from an American Tractor show. One picture was every exhibit driving into the sunset. Can anyone remember the web address of these excellent pictures please. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Jul 3 05:28:47 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 12:28:47 +0000 Subject: [SEL] urgent call - yb stover Message-ID: <070320041228.12253.6e29@mchsi.com> Dave, If she is like my Stover upright model C, 5hp....as your on the side with the ignitor and fuel pump turn her clockwise. Contact me off list as I am the register for Stover engines and don't believe we have talked. Curt Andree > hello, i am urgently looking for someone who has a vertical YB 4hp STOVER in > running order. this might sound as if i am abit stupid but am having trouble > working out which direction this engine should run. if we time it to run > clock wise from the igniter side it only just runs but if we do it in the > other direction it is hard to get the ignition timing right. hope someone > out there can please HELP, getting very frustrating. yours dave in oz > > _________________________________________________________________ > Open an Online Savings Account today & collect a bonus $30*! > http://clk.atdmt.com/1DG/go/hsb005000991dg/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Sat Jul 3 05:45:26 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 22:45:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] urgent call - yb stover References: <070320041228.12253.6e29@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <001b01c460fb$9e268980$cd6f29cb@oemcomputer> As Curt said,clockwise on the ign side.Have you got the cam timing correct ,The exhaust should start to open at about 35 deg before bottom centre and close between top dead centre and 5 deg after. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 10:28 Subject: Re: [SEL] urgent call - yb stover > Dave, > If she is like my Stover upright model C, 5hp....as your on the side with the > ignitor and fuel pump turn her clockwise. > Contact me off list as I am the register for Stover engines and don't believe > we have talked. > Curt Andree > > hello, i am urgently looking for someone who has a vertical YB 4hp STOVER in > > running order. this might sound as if i am abit stupid but am having trouble > > working out which direction this engine should run. if we time it to run > > clock wise from the igniter side it only just runs but if we do it in the > > other direction it is hard to get the ignition timing right. hope someone > > out there can please HELP, getting very frustrating. yours dave in oz > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Open an Online Savings Account today & collect a bonus $30*! > > http://clk.atdmt.com/1DG/go/hsb005000991dg/direct/01/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. > From f86sabre at kcweb.net Sat Jul 3 09:05:08 2004 From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (F86SABRE) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 11:05:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Clointon engines.] References: <40E63E65.7030703@mlode.com> Message-ID: <000c01c46117$83eb3b30$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> Try this: http://www.asecc.com/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 12:04 AM Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Clointon engines.] > Any small Clinton engine owners out there? This guy needs a hand... > Thanks > > - Steve > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Clinton engines. > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:53:36 EDT > From: pokerrun1940 at aol.com > To: segray at mlode.com > > > > > I have two Clinton motors. One has no id plate but the year made > is stamped on the block and is a 1952. I would like more info on this > unit. The other is serial # 7327281 B Model B1290 1107 . Can you > direct me to a web site that has info on Clinton motors for the serial > numbers and date made? Thank you Bob > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BillMil357 at aol.com Sat Jul 3 10:10:01 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:10:01 EDT Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc. Message-ID: <1d1.2500cc85.2e184269@aol.com> Hey Men; I still have not had anyone able to tell me who Manufactured my pitcher (Cistern) pump, it has FP and a part number cast into all the cast fittings, could that be Fairbanks Pump just guessing. Also what chemical can I use to get the worse tarnish off the brass cylinder, Paul Maples has a big buffer that we can put the finishing touch to it and should I urethane clear coat it outside when I get the brass bright. Does anyone have one like this or has seen one besides the two fellows that said they had seen one in their childhood? I got a good message from Curt Andree today, he said he had the leathers for it, all my pump pictures are at this address http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV Thanks, Bill Miller, Memphis, TN. From alanb2 at webtv.net Sat Jul 3 11:29:33 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:29:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc. In-Reply-To: BillMil357@aol.com's message of Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:10:01 EDT Message-ID: <1755-40E6FB0D-7106@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net> Hi Bill, Sorry,,,, I don't have any idea who made your pump. I do have one that is bigger though. It is also in a lot worse shape. Ten years ago it was brought up from a large boat that had been sunk for forty years then. 8>)) It has a larger bore and just two 3/4" pipe outputs. It would have probably put out a lot of pressure. It is gonna be a real challenge getting it open. The top packing seems to be shot. Last summer, right after I got it, I filled up a barrel and set the pump on top. I washed a LOT of sand out of it. Then with a prime it pumped a LOT of water,,,,, Most of it came out the top where the packing is shot. Considering the overall condition and where it spent so much time,,,, I thougtht it did real good. 8>)) It must have been used to pull up lake water. It was a good sized wooden fishing boat that spent most of it's working life on Lake Michigan. It sank though on the middle lake of the three lakes here that are connected together by a small river and the two end lakes each have access to lake Michigan. The North lake in the three is Walloon Lake where Ernest Hemmingway lived and did a lot of writing. (trivia) I know today they bring very large yatchs into Walloon Lake. I am sure your pump will make a nice display before mine does. 8>)) Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan ~~~~~~You wrote~~~~ Hey Men; I still have not had anyone able to tell me who Manufactured my pitcher (Cistern) pump, it has FP and a part number cast into all the cast fittings, could that be Fairbanks Pump just guessing. Also what chemical can I use to get the worse tarnish off the brass cylinder, Paul Maples has a big buffer that we can put the finishing touch to it and should I urethane clear coat it outside when I get the brass bright. Does anyone have one like this or has seen one besides the two fellows that said they had seen one in their childhood? I got a good message from Curt Andree today, he said he had the leathers for it, all my pump pictures are at this address http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV Thanks, Bill Miller, Memphis, TN. From FRM8198 at aol.com Sat Jul 3 13:07:49 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 16:07:49 EDT Subject: [SEL] [{SEL] OT Test Message-ID: <156.38fc6037.2e186c15@aol.com> Test Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From BillMil357 at aol.com Sat Jul 3 15:13:27 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 18:13:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] TEST Message-ID: <1a8.259924ef.2e188987@aol.com> This is just a test, I am having trouble getting messages. Bill Miller. From rexhinz at chorus.net Sat Jul 3 16:07:00 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 18:07:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Gencolight model 26 light plant Message-ID: <001001c46152$754846a0$1e86a5d8@rex> Hi list ' Maybe some one can help . I have a friend (Eric Applebaum) that has a General Gas-Electric Co. Gencolight generator model 26 type H serial # 14082 it is complete and he had it running until it started to back fire and stopped , one of the con. rod bearing cap bolts stripped and the piston hit the intake valve broke it off and also busted the first and second lands on the piston not to mention the crank end of the rod where the cap and rod are bent out of shape due to the one rod bolt still in place , the rod had babit for bearing is that normal ? my friend also is looking to weld up the piston with a tig and recut the ring grooves, would that work ? we plan to straighten the rod and cap by hammering both around a shaft or pipe of the right diameter and then find someone to pour us a babit bearing ,will that work or has anyone tried this ? also if any one has a manual he would be willing to pay for a copy , also any one with spare parts he would be more than willing to purchase them ,thanks for reading Rex Hinz From reb at apex.net Sat Jul 3 18:13:14 2004 From: reb at apex.net (REB) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 20:13:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc. References: <1d1.2500cc85.2e184269@aol.com> Message-ID: <002f01c46164$3ed53300$88618941@digital> Bill I have always used straight ammonia to clean brass up. Dick Bauer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc. > Hey Men; > > I still have not had anyone able to tell me who Manufactured my pitcher > (Cistern) pump, it has FP and a part number cast into all the cast fittings, could > that be Fairbanks Pump just guessing. Also what chemical can I use to get the > worse tarnish off the brass cylinder, Paul Maples has a big buffer that we can > put the finishing touch to it and should I urethane clear coat it outside > when I get the brass bright. Does anyone have one like this or has seen one > besides the two fellows that said they had seen one in their childhood? I got a > good message from Curt Andree today, he said he had the leathers for it, all my > pump pictures are at this address > > http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV > > Thanks, > > Bill Miller, > Memphis, TN. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustyiron at bigpond.com Sat Jul 3 07:11:25 2004 From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 22:11:25 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Stover Spark Plugs Message-ID: <005d01c46107$a76388c0$fb4cfea9@rustyiron> Hello All, I'm starting to get things together to fix up a KA Stover, one thing that may slow things down is getting a Spark plug to suit, I have two old ones that I'd like to change. I've been looking through eBay but I'm not sure exactly what to get, can any one out there help, ether with a cross reference chart or just a list of different types of plugs that would be suitable? The two plugs I have are; Champion 22 and an AC (no #'s). Thanks.....Andy..... Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 3 19:11:58 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 21:11:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Outlook Express - Need Help Message-ID: <00ff01c4616c$4cabdb70$c3f70cd1@VAIO> Folks I have been noticing that I have not been getting any messages from enginads at sisna.com and I sent a message to Harry about it last night. I just now fired up my PC and opened up Outlook Express and I was watching my incoming messages downloading and I noticed that the Deleted Items folder was automatically receiving messages just like the Spam Folder was. I was not deleting anything, just watching the messages coming in. What's going on here? I never new Outlook Express would automatically delete anything, I thought you had to manually delete a message. Does someone know what is going on here? Thanks From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Sat Jul 3 20:53:36 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 13:53:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Stover Spark Plugs Message-ID: try a champion d16 or a d21 and you shouldn't go wrong >From: "Andy" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] Stover Spark Plugs >Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 22:11:25 +0800 > >Hello All, I'm starting to get things together to fix up a KA Stover, one >thing that may slow things down is getting a Spark plug to suit, I have two >old ones that I'd like to change. I've been looking through eBay but I'm >not >sure exactly what to get, can any one out there help, ether with a cross >reference chart or just a list of different types of plugs that would be >suitable? The two plugs I have are; Champion 22 and an AC (no #'s). >Thanks.....Andy..... > >Andy Nicholson >Exmouth W.A. >Oz. >rustyiron at bigpond.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Looking to buy a new house? Try http://property.ninemsn.com.au/ From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Sun Jul 4 04:37:58 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 21:37:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Stover Spark Plugs References: <005d01c46107$a76388c0$fb4cfea9@rustyiron> Message-ID: <001101c461bb$68b22320$681131cb@oemcomputer> What you need is a Autolite 3076.These are 7/8" fine thread plug and are readily available. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy" To: Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 12:11 Subject: [SEL] Stover Spark Plugs > Hello All, I'm starting to get things together to fix up a KA Stover, one > thing that may slow things down is getting a Spark plug to suit, I have two > old ones that I'd like to change. I've been looking through eBay but I'm not > sure exactly what to get, can any one out there help, ether with a cross > reference chart or just a list of different types of plugs that would be > suitable? The two plugs I have are; Champion 22 and an AC (no #'s). > Thanks.....Andy..... > > Andy Nicholson > Exmouth W.A. > Oz. > rustyiron at bigpond.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Jul 4 06:44:18 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 07:44:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Missoula, Mt. Show Message-ID: Howdy all; Nice day yesterday at the Missoula EDGE&TA show. Pix's at the below link. http://community.webshots.com/album/159073653hTibfl Hope ya enjoy RickinMt. PS: Are the pix's too big? I'm using a new feature from Webshots for batch uploading. From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 4 07:28:51 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 07:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Missoula, Mt. Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040704142852.96928.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Rick, The photos looked good to me, but I am on a cable modem so I don't know if they took "too long" to load. Looks like it was a nice show, some good variety and no mud puddles, which are becoming a way of life around here. I thought I saw a hummingbird yesterday, turns out it was a monsquito. Thanks fer sharon. I mean sharing. Joe --- Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all; > Nice day yesterday at the Missoula EDGE&TA show. Pix's at the below > link. > > http://community.webshots.com/album/159073653hTibfl > > Hope ya enjoy > > RickinMt. > PS: Are the pix's too big? I'm using a new feature from Webshots for > batch > uploading. ===== Joe Prindle Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: www.tznet.com/jprindle Our Club: www.badgersteamandgas.com See Yoo in Baraboo! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From rexhinz at chorus.net Sun Jul 4 07:39:09 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 09:39:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Missoula, Mt. Show References: Message-ID: <000601c461d4$acd640e0$2b86a5d8@rex> Rick ; Nice pictures , no they are not too big , Just Right ,and Thanks for sharing them , you sure know how to use that camera ! Rex Hinz Baraboo Wi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 8:44 AM Subject: [SEL] Missoula, Mt. Show > Howdy all; > Nice day yesterday at the Missoula EDGE&TA show. Pix's at the below link. > > http://community.webshots.com/album/159073653hTibfl > > Hope ya enjoy > > RickinMt. > PS: Are the pix's too big? I'm using a new feature from Webshots for batch > uploading. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 4 07:37:12 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 07:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Gencolight model 26 light plant In-Reply-To: <001001c46152$754846a0$1e86a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <20040704143712.10880.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Rex, I think that the way you have talked about straightening things out should work just fine. How bad is the rod? Can you put a helicoil in there to fix the stripped threads? As far as your rod bearing goes.... I can pour one for you, or lend you a ladle, some babbitrite, a furnace to melt the babbit with and give you some babbit, if you want to try doing it yourself. Or, I can pour one for you if you would like. I will be on vacation starting Wednesday, through the following Monday. I will be in and out of the showgrounds, working on getting the foundation forms ready for the 3 cylinder Fairbanks, NW of the gas engine shed. If you want to take a chance and catch me, I can fix you up with the stuff to do your own bearing. If you want, email me off list with the time to expect you, or for my cell phone number. We have some errands to run, got to go to portage and pick up stock to make the foundation bolts and rebar, then down to Hoot Owl Valley to use Bill Klemm's wirefeed welder, or better yet, watch Bill use it. If you need Helicoils, let me know what size, I have most sizes at home in the shop and can fix you up. There is a fellow on Harry's who calls himself Delco Don. He might have parts. I have had a little correspondence with him and think I made him (or some other light plant collector) some 1/2-12 studs a few years back. He is a really good guy and might know where to get parts. I can't find his email addy, but you shouldn't have a hard time getting it if you ask around. Joe --- Rex Hinz wrote: > Hi list ' > > Maybe some one can help . I have a friend (Eric Applebaum) that has a > General Gas-Electric Co. Gencolight generator model 26 type H serial # > 14082 it is complete and he had it running until it started to back > fire > and stopped , one of the con. rod bearing cap bolts stripped and the > piston hit the intake valve broke it off and also busted the first and > second lands on the piston not to mention the crank end of the rod > where > the cap and rod are bent out of shape due to the one rod bolt still in > place > , the rod had babit for bearing is that normal ? my friend also is > looking > to weld up the piston with a tig and recut the ring grooves, would that > work > ? we plan to straighten the rod and cap by hammering both around a > shaft or > pipe of the right diameter and then find someone to pour us a babit > bearing > ,will that work or has anyone tried this ? also if any one has a manual > he > would be willing to pay for a copy , also any one with spare parts he > would > be more than willing to purchase them ,thanks for reading > > > Rex Hinz > > ===== Joe Prindle Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: www.tznet.com/jprindle Our Club: www.badgersteamandgas.com See Yoo in Baraboo! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Jul 4 08:33:09 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 09:33:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Missoula, Mt. Show References: <20040704142852.96928.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Rex and Joe! There was a nice variety and I got to see my first oil well run..the Reid, most cool. He said it came from back east. Funny thing..when I mentioned the Yellow Dog up on the perch, he didn't know what I was talking about. And wouldn't ya know it, the camera crapped out just as I was going to snap a shot of a Baker horizontal..very kewl engine as the push/pull rod operates both the exhaust and intake valve..center of pg 45, BPB. The big F-M ran a grain elevator not too far from me. Finding out F-M's were commonly used in Montana elevators...~~the 15hp version. My apologizes to list member, Dave Otto from Idaho for not taggin' up with him. Idaho brought some nice iron and one could tell this was not their first barbe...good job gang! later, Rick PS's Dave C. I believe your question about the tractor(s) in the sunset, had to do with the tractor record set in Oz around Easter. I cannot find that pix. Paul...IE is doing some weird crap with spyware and adware...I'm not using it until it starts to behave itself. From pmaples at anaxis.net Sun Jul 4 08:46:53 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 10:46:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Missoula, Mt. Show References: Message-ID: <008401c461de$25805d60$e5f70cd1@VAIO> Super Great Pictures Rick and I enjoyed each one of them. I will be writing you back off list in a few minutes to ask you some specific questions about some of he carts I saw. Thanks for posting them. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 8:44 AM Subject: [SEL] Missoula, Mt. Show > Howdy all; > Nice day yesterday at the Missoula EDGE&TA show. Pix's at the below link. > > http://community.webshots.com/album/159073653hTibfl > > Hope ya enjoy > > RickinMt. > PS: Are the pix's too big? I'm using a new feature from Webshots for batch > uploading. > From rexhinz at chorus.net Sun Jul 4 12:01:07 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:01:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytags completed and running Message-ID: <000f01c461f9$46c0adc0$6186a5d8@rex> Hi : Finaly got up enough nerve to put a picture of my two just completed Maytags a 92 and a 72 , they were both almost hopeless but with way too much money they are now ready to smoke out anyone who dares to get close, see them at link below :-) http://community.webshots.com/photo/113498875/159352031obDuFi Rex From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Jul 4 14:28:21 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 17:28:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags completed and running In-Reply-To: <000f01c461f9$46c0adc0$6186a5d8@rex> References: <000f01c461f9$46c0adc0$6186a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <12AE5A88-CE01-11D8-9F72-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Take off the bag and grin proudly over your two fine pieces of American classic machinery! John On Jul 4, 2004, at 3:01 PM, Rex Hinz wrote: > Hi : > > Finaly got up enough nerve to put a picture of my two just completed > Maytags a 92 and a 72 , they were both almost hopeless but with way > too > much money they are now ready to smoke out anyone who dares to get > close, > see them at link below :-) > http://community.webshots.com/photo/113498875/159352031obDuFi > > Rex > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Jul 4 15:23:04 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (dave croft) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 23:23:04 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Maytags completed and running References: <000f01c461f9$46c0adc0$6186a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <000401c46215$796c6a40$06856ad5@one> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 8:01 PM Subject: [SEL] Maytags completed and running > Hi : > Finaly got up enough nerve to put a picture of my two just completed > Maytags a 92 and a 72 , they were both almost hopeless but with way too > much money they are now ready to smoke out anyone who dares to get close, > see them at link below :-) > http://community.webshots.com/photo/113498875/159352031obDuFi > Rex Nice one Rex! Full marks for a very good post. From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu Sun Jul 4 18:20:29 2004 From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 20:20:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Edinburgh, IN 2004 Show, Engine Pictures Message-ID: Hello, Pictures of engines (17 of them) which I took at the recent Edinburgh, IN show are now on my website. http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker/shows/edinburgh-04 A very special thanks to Jim, Ken, and my family!! Enjoy the photos. Don Siefker 28 Miles SW of Portland, IN http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker From pmaples at anaxis.net Sun Jul 4 19:39:33 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 21:39:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help to Portland Message-ID: <013b01c46239$56bb4d30$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Folks I am still trying to find a ride for my Corn Chopper that I bought from a lady in Massachusetts and then my good friend George Woodzell picked it up and has it stored for me at his place in Schenectady, New York. George hauled it from Massachusetts to his place in New York in the back of his Volvo Station Wagon so it will not take much of anything to haul it. I am trying to get it delivered to Portland in August where I can pick it up or maybe someone can pick it up and get it closer to Portland where someone else can get it. Is there anyone out there who might could help me out with transportation for the corn chopper? Ivan Cousins has told me that if I can get it to Clarion PA he can haul it from there to Portland for me. I would appreciate any help I can get in getting the corn chopper picked up and moved towards Portland. Thanks so much. Paul From wilson at stny.rr.com Sun Jul 4 20:19:04 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 23:19:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? Message-ID: What suggestions do you folks have for those of us with BIG engines who are going to try starting them with a little engine and a rubber wheel? I know if it is done wrong, it can suck the engine in and bust the flywheel or worse. Thanks, Glenn Wilson From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net Sun Jul 4 20:41:15 2004 From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 23:41:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tractors into the sunset References: <000d01c460db$ab9ffdf0$06856ad5@one> Message-ID: <40E8CDDB.7010700@zoominternet.net> Dave, Here is what I can offer: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3010152&a=30328434&f= Ed dave croft wrote: >Sometime last year someone posted some very good pictures from an American >Tractor show. One picture was every exhibit driving into the sunset. >Can anyone remember the web address of these excellent pictures please. >Dave Croft >Warrington >England >http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sun Jul 4 20:43:54 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 22:43:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tractors into the sunset References: <000d01c460db$ab9ffdf0$06856ad5@one> <40E8CDDB.7010700@zoominternet.net> Message-ID: <019e01c46242$4f741df0$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Hey Ed I tried to look at the picture and got a message that this photo center is down for now. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Tabor" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Tractors into the sunset > Dave, > Here is what I can offer: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3010152&a=30328434&f= > > Ed > > dave croft wrote: > > >Sometime last year someone posted some very good pictures from an American > >Tractor show. One picture was every exhibit driving into the sunset. > >Can anyone remember the web address of these excellent pictures please. > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sun Jul 4 21:13:13 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 23:13:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cream Separators Message-ID: <01c301c46246$6858cf60$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Folks I bought a 1-1/2 HP 1913 Stover K several years ago and it has the cream separator pulley on it. I was just wondering if cream separators were sort of like corn shellers, they come with a crank but you could take the crank off and install a pulley. Or do you have to look for a special belt driven cream separator to run with an engine. Don't know anything about them but someday would like to find an old cream separator I could marry up with the little Stover to use for a demonstration. Thanks From nancydick at keyconn.net Mon Jul 5 06:50:17 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 05:50:17 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Maytags completed and running In-Reply-To: <000f01c461f9$46c0adc0$6186a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20040705054823.00b37d50@mail.keyconn.net> Hey Rex who is that fellow with the long straight hair. we use to get an other photo that need that type of hair on it. he he R Fink PA At 02:01 PM 7/4/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hi : > > Finaly got up enough nerve to put a picture of my two just completed >Maytags a 92 and a 72 , they were both almost hopeless but with way too >much money they are now ready to smoke out anyone who dares to get close, >see them at link below :-) > http://community.webshots.com/photo/113498875/159352031obDuFi > >Rex > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at keyconn.net Mon Jul 5 06:52:49 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 05:52:49 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Edinburgh, IN 2004 Show, Engine Pictures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20040705055158.00b7c420@mail.keyconn.net> Some nice engines there Don. thanks for the photos R Fink PA At 08:20 PM 7/4/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hello, > >Pictures of engines (17 of them) which I took at the recent Edinburgh, IN >show are now on my website. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker/shows/edinburgh-04 > >A very special thanks to Jim, Ken, and my family!! > >Enjoy the photos. > >Don Siefker >28 Miles SW of Portland, IN >http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at keyconn.net Mon Jul 5 06:56:13 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 05:56:13 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20040705055516.00b85da0@mail.keyconn.net> Hi Glenn it appears you may be ready to start that 60 hp?????????????? R Fink PA At 11:19 PM 7/4/2004 -0400, you wrote: >What suggestions do you folks have for those of us with BIG engines >who are going to try starting them with a little engine and a rubber >wheel? I know if it is done wrong, it can suck the engine in and bust >the flywheel or worse. >Thanks, Glenn Wilson >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wilson at stny.rr.com Mon Jul 5 05:17:30 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 08:17:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20040705055516.00b85da0@mail.keyconn.net> Message-ID: No - I've been lazy. The head isn't even off it. The 60 starts with air :) I'm mounting a 22.5HP Bessemer on steel wheels and wondering how to start it. I'm not as strong as I used to be and I know they turn HARD. My little 15HP half breed starts ok but it only has one flywheel. I just doubt I can start the 22.5HP myself without help and I'm thinking of doing it the easy way with a little engine. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard Fink Sr Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:56 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? Hi Glenn it appears you may be ready to start that 60 hp?????????????? R Fink PA At 11:19 PM 7/4/2004 -0400, you wrote: >What suggestions do you folks have for those of us with BIG engines >who are going to try starting them with a little engine and a rubber >wheel? I know if it is done wrong, it can suck the engine in and bust >the flywheel or worse. >Thanks, Glenn Wilson >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Jul 5 05:47:17 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 06:47:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Maytags completed and running References: <000f01c461f9$46c0adc0$6186a5d8@rex> Message-ID: Very nice Rex! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: [SEL] Maytags completed and running > Hi : > > Finaly got up enough nerve to put a picture of my two just completed > Maytags a 92 and a 72 , they were both almost hopeless but with way too > much money they are now ready to smoke out anyone who dares to get close, > see them at link below :-) > http://community.webshots.com/photo/113498875/159352031obDuFi > > Rex > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mack at melbpc.org.au Mon Jul 5 05:50:21 2004 From: mack at melbpc.org.au (John Mackesy) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:50:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Delco-Light Model 1271 questions Message-ID: <000c01c4628e$ce84bc20$069c0ccb@v8n0y0> I've just acquired a Delco-Light Model 1271 lighting plant, 125V 1.25 Kw . It's essentially complete and in reasonable condition, but will require some serious cosmetic work, rings, top cap and generator end cover. Although I have a serious mechanical background (larger radial aircraft engines, auto engines and gearboxes, truck diesels) I've never worked on 'vintage' machinery. As of right now I don't have any repair or overhaul data, but would like to get started. A few questions for those who've 'been there, done that': 1. How do you remove the flywheel/fan assembly? 2. How is the generator separated from the engine? 3. Does it run on gasoline or kerosene (has mixer valve, not carb)? 4. What sort of ignition coil should it have? 5. Parts - looking for top cap and generator end cover, gaskets. Piston rings I can probably source locally (I'm in Australia). Any other sage advice would be most appreciated. Thanks, John Mackesy From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Jul 5 05:51:56 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:51:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Missoula, Mt. Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200407051601.i65G13Nt014899@heavyiron.atis.net> Some very nice engines there Rick especially the three R&Vs ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Howdy all; Nice day yesterday at the Missoula EDGE&TA show. Pix's at the below link. http://community.webshots.com/album/159073653hTibfl Hope ya enjoy RickinMt. PS: Are the pix's too big? I'm using a new feature from Webshots for batch uploading. From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Jul 5 13:29:06 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:29:06 EDT Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <15.2cf371e4.2e1b1412@aol.com> No list mail since July 2 Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net Mon Jul 5 17:40:00 2004 From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 20:40:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tractors into the sunset References: <000d01c460db$ab9ffdf0$06856ad5@one> <40E8CDDB.7010700@zoominternet.net> <019e01c46242$4f741df0$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <40E9F4E0.1080207@zoominternet.net> Try this link: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3010152&a=30328434&f= or www.photo.epson.com and type in edward.tabor at dol.net for the name, then look under Parade of Power 2002 Ed Paul Maples wrote: >Hey Ed I tried to look at the picture and got a message that this photo >center is down for now. > >Paul > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Edward Tabor" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 10:41 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Tractors into the sunset > > > > >>Dave, >>Here is what I can offer: >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3010152&a=30328434&f= >> >>Ed >> >>dave croft wrote: >> >> >> >>>Sometime last year someone posted some very good pictures from an >>> >>> >American > > >>>Tractor show. One picture was every exhibit driving into the sunset. >>>Can anyone remember the web address of these excellent pictures please. >>> >>> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From ivancou at usachoice.net Mon Jul 5 18:07:13 2004 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:07:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help to Portland References: <013b01c46239$56bb4d30$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <000701c462f5$a88dee80$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Paul , I posted your plea to the AT list . Maybe someone over there can help . I know a couple of them live in NY . Ivan From dotto at velocitus.net Mon Jul 5 18:09:30 2004 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:09:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Missoula, Mt. Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000a01c462f5$e81ed1e0$01043c0a@DD1BF421> Hi Rick, Great Pictures, sorry I missed you. I was kind of looking out for you but not sure who I was looking for, exactly. You did manage to get a picture of my shiny Deere (DSCF0006) and of me (DSCF0011) I'm the one in the desert camo Boonie hat talking to friend Jim York about his Domestic, Jim is also from Boise. You also got a picture of my Wife and daughter Debby and Kalli in a couple of other shots. (Associated) daughter behind the Associated and (Stover 4hp) Wife Debby sitting under the canopy. It was a fun show but we got rained on pretty good Sunday afternoon. The spectators disappeared real fast when the wind and rain came. We also got the joy of loading in the rain. Maybe I will catch up with you next time, Dave -----Original Message----- My apologizes to list member, Dave Otto from Idaho for not taggin' up with him. Idaho brought some nice iron and one could tell this was not their first barbe...good job gang! later, Rick From bboyce at swat.coop Mon Jul 5 18:36:34 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 20:36:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? References: Message-ID: <001301c462f9$acc66b40$6401a8c0@BillyBob> glenn,, have you seen the removable pony engine bryan and i set up to start the Reid? maybe this is something similar to what you're wanting to do? bill boyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 7:17 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? > No - I've been lazy. The head isn't even off it. > The 60 starts with air :) > > I'm mounting a 22.5HP Bessemer on steel wheels and wondering > how to start it. I'm not as strong as I used to be and I know they turn > HARD. My little 15HP half breed starts ok but it only has one flywheel. > I just doubt I can start the 22.5HP myself without help and I'm > thinking of doing it the easy way with a little engine. > Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard > Fink Sr > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:56 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? > > > Hi Glenn it appears you may be ready to start that 60 hp?????????????? > R Fink > PA > > > > > > > At 11:19 PM 7/4/2004 -0400, you wrote: > >What suggestions do you folks have for those of us with BIG engines > >who are going to try starting them with a little engine and a rubber > >wheel? I know if it is done wrong, it can suck the engine in and bust > >the flywheel or worse. > >Thanks, Glenn Wilson > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Mon Jul 5 18:50:29 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 20:50:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help to Portland References: <013b01c46239$56bb4d30$d3f70cd1@VAIO> <000701c462f5$a88dee80$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Message-ID: <000701c462fb$a0a49330$d4f70cd1@VAIO> Thanks so much Ivan, I need all of the help I can get. I appreciate your efforts. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivan Cousins" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help to Portland > Paul , I posted your plea to the AT list . Maybe someone over there can help > . I know a couple of them live in NY . Ivan > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Mon Jul 5 18:57:58 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 20:57:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice Message-ID: <001901c462fc$ac2b8370$d4f70cd1@VAIO> Folks I am having a problem again that I had about a month ago and it is really frustrating. I connect to my ISP and check my e-mail but the minute I try to use Internet Explorer it will disconnect my computer from the ISP and I have to dial back up to get on line again. The last time I completely done a Complete System Recovery, reformatted my hard drive and it has worked until now and it is starting it all over. I have Norton Internet Security (Professional) and I ran it and there are no virus's indicated. I have dumped every program on the PC except the absolute ones I have to have. I don't even want to think that I have to do another system recovery and start all over again. Any ides from you computer guru's? I am on dial up, not DSL. I am wondering if DSL would help solve some of these issues. Thanks, Paul From pmaples at anaxis.net Mon Jul 5 19:00:06 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:00:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help to Portland References: <013b01c46239$56bb4d30$d3f70cd1@VAIO> <000701c462f5$a88dee80$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Message-ID: <002501c462fc$f8bf1710$d4f70cd1@VAIO> Ivan what is the AT List? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivan Cousins" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help to Portland > Paul , I posted your plea to the AT list . Maybe someone over there can help > . I know a couple of them live in NY . Ivan > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jul 5 19:28:19 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:28:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Auction Site needed References: <013b01c46239$56bb4d30$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <021b01c46300$e8e0c150$0400a8c0@Dave> Hi All, I've changed 'puters and have lost the site where auction results are listed. Can anyone help me? Thanks! Dave From wilson at stny.rr.com Mon Jul 5 19:42:58 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:42:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? In-Reply-To: <001301c462f9$acc66b40$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: Does it work flawless or is there a chance it may get sucked in by the Reid? I thought reid was spelled ried. Hmm. that doesn't look right either. must be Reid. No, I don't remember seeing it or pictures of it. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Bill Boyce Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:37 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? glenn,, have you seen the removable pony engine bryan and i set up to start the Reid? maybe this is something similar to what you're wanting to do? bill boyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 7:17 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? > No - I've been lazy. The head isn't even off it. > The 60 starts with air :) > > I'm mounting a 22.5HP Bessemer on steel wheels and wondering > how to start it. I'm not as strong as I used to be and I know they turn > HARD. My little 15HP half breed starts ok but it only has one flywheel. > I just doubt I can start the 22.5HP myself without help and I'm > thinking of doing it the easy way with a little engine. > Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard > Fink Sr > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:56 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? > > > Hi Glenn it appears you may be ready to start that 60 hp?????????????? > R Fink > PA > > > > > > > At 11:19 PM 7/4/2004 -0400, you wrote: > >What suggestions do you folks have for those of us with BIG engines > >who are going to try starting them with a little engine and a rubber > >wheel? I know if it is done wrong, it can suck the engine in and bust > >the flywheel or worse. > >Thanks, Glenn Wilson > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Markshattuck at ntelos.net Mon Jul 5 20:05:29 2004 From: Markshattuck at ntelos.net (Mark L Shattuck) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 23:05:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice References: <001901c462fc$ac2b8370$d4f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <001501c46306$195b1650$6401a8c0@markby5481638j> Paul you like me got it a virus . start all over again fresh . Even if you back up on your system restore the virus comes back .. Since I started over fresh I have ok This virus thing backs up with you the only way to get rid of it is to resatll windows with a clean install.. Mark L Shattuck Waynesboro Va From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Jul 5 20:50:31 2004 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 23:50:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Auction Site needed References: <013b01c46239$56bb4d30$d3f70cd1@VAIO> <021b01c46300$e8e0c150$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <000701c4630c$641e9620$0100a8c0@mshome.net> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/index.htm Take care, Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 10:28 PM Subject: [SEL] Auction Site needed > Hi All, > I've changed 'puters and have lost the site where auction results are > listed. Can anyone help me? Thanks! > Dave From d.fleming at sasktel.net Mon Jul 5 22:18:09 2004 From: d.fleming at sasktel.net (D. Fleming) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:18:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? References: Message-ID: <002001c46318$a3609fc0$cdc36e40@don> Glen, I am thinking that the starting engine should be engaged to the side of the flywheel that is coming up ( left side on a flywheel turning clockwise ). Then when the engine fires it will push the starting engine away from the flywheel rather than pull it into and under the engine being started. Am I missing something here??? Don Fleming Kipling, Sask. Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:42 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? > Does it work flawless or is there a chance it may get sucked in by the Reid? > I thought reid was spelled ried. Hmm. that doesn't look right either. must > be > Reid. > > No, I don't remember seeing it or pictures of it. > > Glenn > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Jul 5 20:40:00 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:40:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Auction Site needed In-Reply-To: <021b01c46300$e8e0c150$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <200407060544.i665iJbK027576@heavyiron.atis.net> Hi Dave, Is this what you were looking for? http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/auctionreport.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi All, I've changed 'puters and have lost the site where auction results are listed. Can anyone help me? Thanks! Dave From peter at loud-n-clear.net Tue Jul 6 00:33:30 2004 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:33:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ping list Message-ID: <6bvpDUHKXl6AFwd5@loud-n-clear.net> Hi all No mail in three days - is it me? Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From diesel at easynet.co.uk Tue Jul 6 02:39:46 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:39:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ping list In-Reply-To: <6bvpDUHKXl6AFwd5@loud-n-clear.net> References: <6bvpDUHKXl6AFwd5@loud-n-clear.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:33:30 +0100, you wrote: >Hi all > >No mail in three days - is it me? > >Regards > > Pete Nope, just not a lot of mail..... It's that time of year when the outdoors is more fun than being in the workshop, July the 4th has just passed by with its celebrations for the Colonials :-)) and people are generally just busy methinks. We are flat out at the factory for a change, with an order book out to October, so 7-day weeks are back with a vengeance! Have not made many shows at all this year, but will be at Portland.... Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Jul 6 04:26:13 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:26:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Crossley Motors 100 Year Australian Rally Message-ID: <001f01c4634c$0e20a020$f6e131d2@km> G'Day All Crossley Brothers of Engine produced engines from 1866, they built cars from 1904. I took my Crossley engine to the Crossley Motors Centenary Rally in May, only a few engines but two nice Vertical Crossley's and a Otto Crossley were there. for a look http://members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/Webpages/Crossley100.html Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines From curt at imc-group.com Tue Jul 6 04:59:49 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 07:59:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? References: <002001c46318$a3609fc0$cdc36e40@don> Message-ID: <40EA9435.4040908@imc-group.com> Don, Without getting into a long drawn out tale there is an unfortunate fellow down here that learned the hard way just what you are speaking of! He rigged up a free standing starter and when the engine fired it move back hard enough to climb the starter wheel and rolled the entire engine over breaking a 10HP Bessemer flywheel into many pieces. As you can imagine he was sick. We were all sick for him too. Whatever the starter motor (if it is truly needed) it would be the best of practice to attach it to the skid the engine is bolted to. Then you are assured absolute control of both parts to prevent any mishaps..... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC D. Fleming wrote: >Glen, > >I am thinking that the starting engine should be engaged to the side of the >flywheel that is coming up ( left side on a flywheel turning clockwise ). >Then when the engine fires it will push the starting engine away from the >flywheel rather than pull it into and under the engine being started. Am I >missing something here??? > >Don Fleming > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Jul 6 05:08:42 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 22:08:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Delivery failure (glenn.karch@gte.net) Message-ID: <002e01c46351$feb82bc0$71121bd3@athlon> I never have worked out what this is all about but, It happens a lot. Is it a fault with my computer or what? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 9:59 PM Subject: Delivery failure (glenn.karch at gte.net) > Your message has encountered delivery problems > to the following recipient(s): > > glenn.karch at gte.net > Delivery failed > 550 You are not allowed to send mail:sc013pub.verizon.net > > > Sent: MAIL FROM: SIZE=2478 > Received:550 You are not allowed to send mail:sc013pub.verizon.net > > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Tue Jul 6 05:54:27 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:54:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice References: <001901c462fc$ac2b8370$d4f70cd1@VAIO> <001501c46306$195b1650$6401a8c0@markby5481638j> Message-ID: <007701c46358$8e8e9f80$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Mark do you mean just put a new copy of the Windows XP Home Version on or do I have to completely dump everything on the computer with a system restore? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark L Shattuck" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > Paul you like me got it a virus . start all over again fresh . Even if you > back up on your system restore the virus comes back .. Since I started over > fresh I have ok > This virus thing backs up with you the only way to get rid of it is to > resatll windows with a clean install.. > > Mark L Shattuck > Waynesboro Va > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Tue Jul 6 06:01:40 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 14:01:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Delivery failure (glenn.karch@gte.net) In-Reply-To: <002e01c46351$feb82bc0$71121bd3@athlon> References: <002e01c46351$feb82bc0$71121bd3@athlon> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 22:08:42 +1000, you wrote: >I never have worked out what this is all about but, It happens a lot. >Is it a fault with my computer or what? >Reg & Marg Ingold. Glen's ISP has a block on email from your own ISP by the look of the error message. Not an unusual thing, Easynet gets blocked quite a lot when spammers use their email system for sending spam out. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pmaples at anaxis.net Tue Jul 6 05:57:28 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:57:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice References: <001901c462fc$ac2b8370$d4f70cd1@VAIO> <001501c46306$195b1650$6401a8c0@markby5481638j> Message-ID: <008101c46359$3cf2f0d0$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Mark please call me at 501-230-8229. Give me your telephone number when you call and hang up instantly and I will call you back. This computer will not stay connected long enough to even download my e-mail messages. Thanks, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark L Shattuck" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > Paul you like me got it a virus . start all over again fresh . Even if you > back up on your system restore the virus comes back .. Since I started over > fresh I have ok > This virus thing backs up with you the only way to get rid of it is to > resatll windows with a clean install.. > > Mark L Shattuck > Waynesboro Va > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Jul 6 06:21:20 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:21:20 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? References: <002001c46318$a3609fc0$cdc36e40@don> <40EA9435.4040908@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000501c4635c$20e5ab00$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> I have seen doing this many times and it works perfect. With the help of a tractor, push the wheel to the flywheel and when the engine runs let it lose. Pic can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/enginestarting.jpg John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > Don, > Without getting into a long drawn out tale there is an unfortunate > fellow down here that learned the hard way just what you are speaking > of! He rigged up a free standing starter and when the engine fired it > move back hard enough to climb the starter wheel and rolled the entire > engine over breaking a 10HP Bessemer flywheel into many pieces. As you > can imagine he was sick. We were all sick for him too. > Whatever the starter motor (if it is truly needed) it would be the best > of practice to attach it to the skid the engine is bolted to. Then you > are assured absolute control of both parts to prevent any mishaps..... > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > D. Fleming wrote: > > >Glen, > > > >I am thinking that the starting engine should be engaged to the side of the > >flywheel that is coming up ( left side on a flywheel turning clockwise ). > >Then when the engine fires it will push the starting engine away from the > >flywheel rather than pull it into and under the engine being started. Am I > >missing something here??? > > > >Don Fleming > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at the-i.net Tue Jul 6 06:27:24 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:27:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Auction Site needed References: <013b01c46239$56bb4d30$d3f70cd1@VAIO> <021b01c46300$e8e0c150$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <003701c4635c$fa0b4480$07905841@oemcomputer> Hi All, > I've changed 'puters and have lost the site where auction results are > listed. Can anyone help me? Thanks! > Dave Does -this one- have speakers and an automatic starter ? From kerogas at the-i.net Tue Jul 6 06:36:55 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:36:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? References: <002001c46318$a3609fc0$cdc36e40@don> <40EA9435.4040908@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004301c4635e$4f3d2760$07905841@oemcomputer> > Don, > Without getting into a long drawn out tale there is an unfortunate > fellow down here that learned the hard way just what you are speaking > of! He rigged up a free standing starter and when the engine fired it > move back hard enough to climb the starter wheel and rolled the entire > engine over breaking a 10HP Bessemer flywheel into many pieces. As you > can imagine he was sick. We were all sick for him too. ch He's still sick , or so the reappearing adv for a wheel would suggest that was a garden tiller with a mower tire mounted on it . If the pony motor is bolted down with stops on the slides it wont get under the wheel . but with no overrunning clutch there will be a difference of opinion between the two when she starts and tire smoking imagine a pair of parralell tubes for motor mounts one slides inside the other . The outside pair bolted to the enginewith a big lever and several big springs . The inners bolted to the engine frame .start the pony , delatch and let the springs pull it into the wheel slowly with the lever . if the engine lights , you pull it back and latch out . Chuck Balyeat Engineers Essentials http://www.angelfire.com/tx/hotube/indexps.html From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Jul 6 07:39:30 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:39:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? Message-ID: <20040706.104434.872.3.jlb94@juno.com> starting them with a little engine and a rubber wheel? = = = = = Hi Glenn - My Suggestion - GET HELP !!! - Forget the rubber wheel. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Jul 6 07:37:28 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:37:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags completed and running Message-ID: <20040706.104434.872.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rex, Congrats on Finishing the Maytags - We all know that Maytags DO NOT RUN !! In any case - - - What part does "The Unknown Comic" have to do with this ??? Good Job ! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From Markshattuck at ntelos.net Tue Jul 6 08:11:41 2004 From: Markshattuck at ntelos.net (Mark L Shattuck) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:11:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice References: <001901c462fc$ac2b8370$d4f70cd1@VAIO><001501c46306$195b1650$6401a8c0@markby5481638j> <007701c46358$8e8e9f80$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <005e01c4636b$8c4fd870$6401a8c0@markby5481638j> Paul I just renstalled windows xp with the clean install feature . at first I tryed to do the repair feature(which was system restore) and the virus came with it . so I went back and chose clean install and the virus went bye bye my computer is running like it did went it was new . Mark From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Jul 6 08:12:39 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:12:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Crossley Motors 100 Year Australian Rally Message-ID: <20040706.081240.1088.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Nice pictures Kerry, Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:26:13 +1000 "Kerry" writes: > G'Day All > > Crossley Brothers of Engine produced engines from 1866, they built > cars from > 1904. > I took my Crossley engine to the Crossley Motors Centenary Rally in > May, > only a few engines but two nice Vertical Crossley's and a Otto > Crossley were > there. > for a look > http://members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/Webpages/Crossley100.html > > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow NSW OZ > > Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 > > Friends in Engines From BillMil357 at aol.com Tue Jul 6 08:46:58 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:46:58 EDT Subject: [SEL] Test. Message-ID: <1ca.252e5cc5.2e1c2372@aol.com> Hi Guy's; This is just a test. Thanks, Bill Miller. From BillMil357 at aol.com Tue Jul 6 10:18:04 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:18:04 EDT Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc. Message-ID: <9e.e9c7d4e.2e1c38cc@aol.com> Hello; I have not been able to Receive the SEL for the last three days and I don't know how many of you might have been unable to also, I am now rec. a few messages, I put the following message up July 3rd. and in case some didn't get it I am posting it again below. Hey Men; I still have not had anyone able to tell me who Manufactured my pitcher (Cistern) pump, it has FP and a part number cast into all the cast fittings, could that be Fairbanks Pump just guessing. Also what chemical can I use to get the worse tarnish off the brass cylinder, Paul Maples has a big buffer that we can put the finishing touch to it and should I urethane clear coat it outside when I get the brass bright. Does anyone have one like this or has seen one besides the two fellows that said they had seen one in their childhood? I got a good message from Curt Andree today, he said he had the leathers for it, all my pump pictures are at this address http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV Thanks, Bill Miller, Memphis, TN. From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Tue Jul 6 11:02:53 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:02:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines Message-ID: <0df101c46383$75c532e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Does anyone have an old set or 2 of chain falls from 1900-1930 area??? I am looking for 2 different sets, stuck , broke , doesnt matter, let me know, Tks Did Little Wonder make there own engines or were they kits like Little Stewart etc??? A fiend is being offered a 3/4 hp tank cooled engine for 3 K and I told him I thought it was too much. Any help will be appreciated, Tks Again Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 From bboyce at swat.coop Tue Jul 6 10:59:26 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:59:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? References: Message-ID: <004601c46382$fa6cf740$6401a8c0@BillyBob> glenn, the rig we built is a 5 horse b&s bolted to a small square angle iron frame,,, an 3/4 inch axle with 2 go cart type wheels and tires are also mounted to the frame and chain driven to the auto clutch on the b&s,,,,, we pin this to a couple of lugs on the Reid skid, pinned on the back side so it will pivot upward in the front, and the go cart tires engage both flywheels,,,, a bar, maybe 5 feet long, is slipped under the pony frame, and pushed down to pivot the front of the frame up,,,,, when the reid is warmed up and runnning good, we pull the pin, remove the pony rig, and shove it under the trailer, out of sight,,, dont think i have any pictures of it, but i;ll look,, bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:42 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? > Does it work flawless or is there a chance it may get sucked in by the Reid? > I thought reid was spelled ried. Hmm. that doesn't look right either. must > be > Reid. > > No, I don't remember seeing it or pictures of it. > > Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Bill Boyce > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:37 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? > > > glenn,, have you seen the removable pony engine bryan and i set up to start > the Reid? maybe this is something similar to what you're wanting to do? > bill boyce > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenn Wilson" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 7:17 AM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? > > > > No - I've been lazy. The head isn't even off it. > > The 60 starts with air :) > > > > I'm mounting a 22.5HP Bessemer on steel wheels and wondering > > how to start it. I'm not as strong as I used to be and I know they turn > > HARD. My little 15HP half breed starts ok but it only has one flywheel. > > I just doubt I can start the 22.5HP myself without help and I'm > > thinking of doing it the easy way with a little engine. > > Glenn > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard > > Fink Sr > > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:56 AM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? > > > > > > Hi Glenn it appears you may be ready to start that 60 hp?????????????? > > R Fink > > PA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 11:19 PM 7/4/2004 -0400, you wrote: > > >What suggestions do you folks have for those of us with BIG engines > > >who are going to try starting them with a little engine and a rubber > > >wheel? I know if it is done wrong, it can suck the engine in and bust > > >the flywheel or worse. > > >Thanks, Glenn Wilson > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Jul 6 11:21:07 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:21:07 EDT Subject: [SEL] Test. ot Message-ID: <1ec.248c45df.2e1c4793@aol.com> In a message dated 7/6/2004 1:41:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BillMil357 at aol.com writes: << This is just a test. >> Bill, I see that your test came thru ok and mine is doing the same. AOL must have changed some spam controls this morning allowing us to get the list mail again. It is nice to know that we have "Big Brother AOL and the Government" looking after our interests! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From yostsw at atis.net Tue Jul 6 11:38:37 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 14:38:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] AOL users of ATIS References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200> <200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200> <200406231816100593.1B13A373@192.168.2.200> <200406241145380078.1ED4722F@192.168.2.200> <200406241734500359.201437E1@192.168.2.200> Message-ID: <200407061438370953.14B4E57A@192.168.2.200> Long story short: - AOL was blocking mail from many mail servers in the Triad NC area, including mine. This outage lasted fro a few days by was fixed early this mourning, according to AOL. Long story long: - AOL blocks mail being sent directly from dynamic and "residential"(I am not sure how they define or identify "residential) address. They assume this mail should come from the ISPs mail server, not directly from the addresses of this ISP. Late last week or this weekend Time Warner(AKA Road Runner), a parent/sibling company of AOL, sent a block of IP addresses to AOL as residential or dynamic IP addresses. Unfortunately, according to AOL, this block of IP address was incorrect and even more unfortunately, this block included my IP address(I am neither dynamic or "residential" by the way). AOL/RR caught their own problem and fixed it but not until there was at least 1-2 days of blocked mail. Sorry for any inconvenience. Here is a like to a web page explaining the error I was receiving from AOL: http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554rtrbb.html Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Jul 6 06:01:12 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:01:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] FW: k & l stationary engin Message-ID: <200407061858.i66IwtDh004419@heavyiron.atis.net> If anyone can help with this question please reply to the address below. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW _____ From: bill watson [mailto:wiliwat at optusnet.com.au] Subject: k & l stationary engin i am in townsville north queensland and i am looking for any info on a kelly and lewis 2 cyl 6 hp diesesl stationary engine would appreciate any help you could give me thanks From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jul 6 12:32:21 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:32:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice In-Reply-To: <001901c462fc$ac2b8370$d4f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <000001c4638f$f6fc75b0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Paul, without a little time I can't tell you what it IS, but can tell you it's pretty much NOT a virus. It's amazing how many computer woes get blamed on viruses now days. It's usually easier than finding the real cause. Most computer ills are due to file corruption, file conflicts, ill-behaved software, spyware or hardware malfunctions. A real computer virus doesn't typically "disconnect". If NAV says you don't have a virus, you don't have one. They aren't magic and don't escape detection that easily. Bill (former anti-virus administrator for a very large financial company, and former Symantec support volunteer who just turned down a Symantec position in California) -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:58 PM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice Folks I am having a problem again that I had about a month ago and it is really frustrating. I connect to my ISP and check my e-mail but the minute I try to use Internet Explorer it will disconnect my computer from the ISP and I have to dial back up to get on line again. The last time I completely done a Complete System Recovery, reformatted my hard drive and it has worked until now and it is starting it all over. I have Norton Internet Security (Professional) and I ran it and there are no virus's indicated. I have dumped every program on the PC except the absolute ones I have to have. I don't even want to think that I have to do another system recovery and start all over again. Any ides from you computer guru's? I am on dial up, not DSL. I am wondering if DSL would help solve some of these issues. Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wilson at stny.rr.com Tue Jul 6 14:27:28 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:27:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? In-Reply-To: <20040706.104434.872.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Maybe - I'm not as strong as I used to be AND I've seen some pretty healthy guys spinning a 22.5HP Bessember. I don't think I could do it myself. I haven't yet started my 18HP Christensen by myself but I saw a video of Skip starting it by himself. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 10:40 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? starting them with a little engine and a rubber wheel? = = = = = Hi Glenn - My Suggestion - GET HELP !!! - Forget the rubber wheel. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kkinney at herculesengines.com Tue Jul 6 14:26:15 2004 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 16:26:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20040705055516.00b85da0@mail.keyconn.net> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040706161942.02aa5e68@mail.herculesengines.com> Glenn Take a look at this link to see how we rigged up a pony engine on our Superior 25 HP. http://www.herculesengines.com/OFES/images/Portland2002/2002_0824_134151AA.jpg It works by turning the iron wheel on the back of the cart. It activates a threaded rod that moves the pony motor in our out. It works real well but could would work better if the rub wheel were smaller. You really have to slip the clutch to get it up to speed. I put a small hydraulic jack under the exhaust valve and get her turning over pretty good. Release the exhaust valve, adjust the fuel mixture and away she goes. We are getting better at starting the engine by hand and I expect we'll be removing the pony engine before to long. Keith At 07:17 AM 7/5/2004, you wrote: >No - I've been lazy. The head isn't even off it. >The 60 starts with air :) > >I'm mounting a 22.5HP Bessemer on steel wheels and wondering >how to start it. I'm not as strong as I used to be and I know they turn >HARD. My little 15HP half breed starts ok but it only has one flywheel. >I just doubt I can start the 22.5HP myself without help and I'm >thinking of doing it the easy way with a little engine. >Glenn > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard >Fink Sr >Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:56 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? > > >Hi Glenn it appears you may be ready to start that 60 hp?????????????? >R Fink >PA > > > > > > >At 11:19 PM 7/4/2004 -0400, you wrote: > >What suggestions do you folks have for those of us with BIG engines > >who are going to try starting them with a little engine and a rubber > >wheel? I know if it is done wrong, it can suck the engine in and bust > >the flywheel or worse. > >Thanks, Glenn Wilson > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA kkinney(N0 Spam)@HerculesEngines.com - Please remove the (N0 Spam) WWW.HerculesEngines.com To join the Hercules Engines e-mail list send an email to: HerculesEnginesGroup-subscribe at yahoogroups.com From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Jul 6 14:29:27 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:29:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] AOL users of ATIS Message-ID: <8c.f07654b.2e1c73b7@aol.com> In a message dated 7/6/2004 4:03:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, yostsw at atis.net writes: << AOL was blocking mail from many mail servers in the Triad NC area, including mine. >> Spencer, Thanks for all you help in keeping the list running! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From kkinney at herculesengines.com Tue Jul 6 14:57:44 2004 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 16:57:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20040705055516.00b85da0@mail.keyconn.net> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040706165046.02adc298@mail.herculesengines.com> Glenn If you look around at the pictures I have posted on these two web sites you will see several variations of pony motor setups that people have used to start their big engines. http://www.herculesengines.com/OFES/Portland2002.htm http://www.herculesengines.com/OFES/Elnora2002.htm Then for the smaller engines is this really neat setup. Maybe you could scale this idea larger. http://www.herculesengines.com/starter/ Keith At 07:17 AM 7/5/2004, you wrote: >No - I've been lazy. The head isn't even off it. >The 60 starts with air :) > >I'm mounting a 22.5HP Bessemer on steel wheels and wondering >how to start it. I'm not as strong as I used to be and I know they turn >HARD. My little 15HP half breed starts ok but it only has one flywheel. >I just doubt I can start the 22.5HP myself without help and I'm >thinking of doing it the easy way with a little engine. >Glenn > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard >Fink Sr >Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:56 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? > > >Hi Glenn it appears you may be ready to start that 60 hp?????????????? >R Fink >PA > > > > > > >At 11:19 PM 7/4/2004 -0400, you wrote: > >What suggestions do you folks have for those of us with BIG engines > >who are going to try starting them with a little engine and a rubber > >wheel? I know if it is done wrong, it can suck the engine in and bust > >the flywheel or worse. > >Thanks, Glenn Wilson > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA kkinney(N0 Spam)@HerculesEngines.com - Please remove the (N0 Spam) WWW.HerculesEngines.com To join the Hercules Engines e-mail list send an email to: HerculesEnginesGroup-subscribe at yahoogroups.com From pmaples at anaxis.net Tue Jul 6 15:38:33 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:38:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice References: <000001c4638f$f6fc75b0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <03b101c463a9$fb9e60a0$d0f70cd1@VAIO> Bill I ran Norton Internet Security (Professional Version) and it said no virus's, I ran Housecall.antivirus.com and it to said I had no virus's so with your statement I am convinced that I d not have a virus. This happened to me about a month ago and I did a complete System Recover (took me two days) and this solved the problem up until now. I am running Windows XP Home Version. Do you have any recommendations other than a complete system recovery? One guy called me and told me that he reloaded Windows XP and did what he called a clean sweep, now a repair, and this took care of his "virus" as he called it. I dread dumping all of my files and reformatting the hard drive in a System Recovery. I am open to any thing to try whether it works or now. Thanks Bill for writing back. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 2:32 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > Paul, without a little time I can't tell you what it IS, but can tell you > it's pretty much NOT a virus. > It's amazing how many computer woes get blamed on viruses now days. > It's usually easier than finding the real cause. > Most computer ills are due to file corruption, file conflicts, ill-behaved > software, spyware or hardware malfunctions. A real computer virus doesn't > typically "disconnect". > If NAV says you don't have a virus, you don't have one. They aren't magic > and don't escape detection that easily. > > Bill > (former anti-virus administrator for a very large financial company, and > former Symantec support volunteer who just turned down a Symantec position > in California) > > -----Original Message----- > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Jul 6 15:45:46 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:45:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice References: <001901c462fc$ac2b8370$d4f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <001b01c463aa$fa98bb00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Paul, Sounds like the blaster worm. Had to remove one for a friend a few days ago. Check out: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.blaster.worm.removal.tool.html for the removal program. If you need more help, contact me off list. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 7:57 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > Folks I am having a problem again that I had about a month ago and it is > really frustrating. I connect to my ISP and check my e-mail but the minute I > try to use Internet Explorer it will disconnect my computer from the ISP and > I have to dial back up to get on line again. The last time I completely done > a Complete System Recovery, reformatted my hard drive and it has worked > until now and it is starting it all over. I have Norton Internet Security > (Professional) and I ran it and there are no virus's indicated. I have > dumped every program on the PC except the absolute ones I have to have. I > don't even want to think that I have to do another system recovery and start > all over again. > > Any ides from you computer guru's? I am on dial up, not DSL. I am wondering > if DSL would help solve some of these issues. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From keebler at ptd.net Tue Jul 6 16:56:23 2004 From: keebler at ptd.net (Francis jr) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:56:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Aermotor info wanted Message-ID: <004301c463b5$12ea6c80$bd2dee18@ptdprolog.net> Just a quick hello to everybody on the list. HELLO!! Well anyway, Im just finishing up my new restoration on my Aermotor 8 Cycle. I would like to get all the info that I can on the engines. If you would like to send any info that you know, it would be much appreciated. This includes ANY info. Things you heard, things you know, things that you think are correct but not sure, ANYTHING. Id like to get together something to put on the internet. Also, if you have an Aermotor of any kind, id like to start a serial number list. Just send your name a pic, and some details.....what condition,flyweight or ball gov, etc. Again, if I get enough together, it will be put on the internet. Again, Thanks very much for your help. Frank Y P.S.--If you know the running speed of the 8-Cycle, I need to know that too. From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Jul 6 18:07:10 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:07:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice References: <000001c4638f$f6fc75b0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <000701c463be$bc0a8a80$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Bill, The Blaster Worm will shut down a computer. Not a true virus, but a worm. An anti virus that is out of date won't catch it, and that is Paul's problem. The Microsoft patch, and the virus definition have been out for almost a year now. I just cleaned a system a couple weeks ago with the worm. I spent about four hours cleaning and updating the computer, and that was on DSL. There were over 25 Meg of Microsoft updates, and about the same for the anti virus. There really is no excuse for this. So to you and all on the list: Install all Microsoft critical updates weekly, and update your anti virus at least once a week. Run a virus scan weekly, and most can be automated, so there is no excuse. Install a firewall, or at least use the one that came with XP. It's better than nothing. Also use Lavasoft Adaware for spyware. It's free. There is also another option. Pay someone like me or my buddy a couple hundred bucks to clean up your mess. The system I did was for my cousin and she was informed the next one won't be free. For more info on the worm check out: http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.mspx Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:32 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > Paul, without a little time I can't tell you what it IS, but can tell you > it's pretty much NOT a virus. > It's amazing how many computer woes get blamed on viruses now days. > It's usually easier than finding the real cause. > Most computer ills are due to file corruption, file conflicts, ill-behaved > software, spyware or hardware malfunctions. A real computer virus doesn't > typically "disconnect". > If NAV says you don't have a virus, you don't have one. They aren't magic > and don't escape detection that easily. > > Bill > (former anti-virus administrator for a very large financial company, and > former Symantec support volunteer who just turned down a Symantec position > in California) > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:58 PM > To: Stationary Engine List > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > Folks I am having a problem again that I had about a month ago and it is > really frustrating. I connect to my ISP and check my e-mail but the minute I > try to use Internet Explorer it will disconnect my computer from the ISP and > I have to dial back up to get on line again. The last time I completely done > a Complete System Recovery, reformatted my hard drive and it has worked > until now and it is starting it all over. I have Norton Internet Security > (Professional) and I ran it and there are no virus's indicated. I have > dumped every program on the PC except the absolute ones I have to have. I > don't even want to think that I have to do another system recovery and start > all over again. > > Any ides from you computer guru's? I am on dial up, not DSL. I am wondering > if DSL would help solve some of these issues. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Tue Jul 6 18:43:40 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:43:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems Message-ID: <04a901c463c3$f3342570$d0f70cd1@VAIO> Folks here is where I stand on this problem: I have Windows XP, I am on dial up service. I dial up my ISP and I connect, no problem, however it may totally disconnect me from my dial up service at any moment, sometimes within 60 seconds, other times it may run a few minutes but always disconnects me and I have to dial back up. Jeff Allen tried to help me thinking it was the Blaster Worm but as Jeff said the Blaster Worm gives you notice that it is going to shut your computer down within seconds and it turns the computer off. My computer does not turn off, it just disconnects from the ISP. I get no messages, it just disconnects. I have Norton Internet Security (Professional Version) and I do a live update each morning when I first turn it on. The instant I get any notice of a Microsoft Update I stop and download all updates. I used a different virus program also and both programs said I do not have any virus's. IT has me stumped but if I don't fix it soon I am going to have to do a System Recovery and lose a lot of files and it will take me two days to get back on line. One gentleman called me today and told me all I had to do was to reload Windows XP and to do a Clean Load, not a Repair Load. My Windows XP came on my computer so I do not have just the Windows XP operating system, it is all on the Recovery Disk. Any fresh ideas will be appreciated. Hey I have stayed connected this time long enough to write this message so I am going to stop and send it before I disconnect. Paul From ivancou at usachoice.net Tue Jul 6 18:47:20 2004 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:47:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help to Portland References: <013b01c46239$56bb4d30$d3f70cd1@VAIO><000701c462f5$a88dee80$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> <002501c462fc$f8bf1710$d4f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <000301c463c4$6e5f5da0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Antique T t t t tractor . Even the evil one confesses to own one . Ivan From oldengin at udata.com Tue Jul 6 19:26:49 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 22:26:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] help? In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040706165046.02adc298@mail.herculesengines.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20040705055516.00b85da0@mail.keyconn.net> <6.1.0.6.0.20040706165046.02adc298@mail.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <40EB5F69.1040402@udata.com> Gday Hey, what is latex glue and where do I find it???? Have a project that needs some, more on it later 8-) sights might be made in Portland -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From pmaples at anaxis.net Tue Jul 6 19:51:36 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:51:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help to Portland References: <013b01c46239$56bb4d30$d3f70cd1@VAIO><000701c462f5$a88dee80$ea83fea9@y0y2a7><002501c462fc$f8bf1710$d4f70cd1@VAIO> <000301c463c4$6e5f5da0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Message-ID: <052b01c463cd$587c1970$d0f70cd1@VAIO> Ivan I don't believe you have stirred any of those tractor guys up enough to haul out my corn chopper, what does it take to fire these guys fired up. Surely there is someone in the big state of New York that can haul my little bitty corn chopper out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivan Cousins" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help to Portland > Antique T t t t tractor . Even the evil one confesses to own one . Ivan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Jul 6 19:54:53 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:54:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] help? In-Reply-To: <40EB5F69.1040402@udata.com> Message-ID: <200407070254.i672suhJ023981@heavyiron.atis.net> > Hey, what is latex glue and where do I find it???? Have > a project that needs some, more on it later 8-) sights might > be made in Portland Hey bro, Perhaps you could try www.latex.com From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jul 6 19:56:18 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:56:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice In-Reply-To: <000701c463be$bc0a8a80$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <001801c463cd$faba37d0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> It CAN shut down a computer - but only certain operating systems, not all. And, it has nothing to do with dial-up connections. It's a root service that it affects and the end result is a complete Windows shutdown. (which you can PREVENT, by the way, with a simple command) However, that is NOT the intent of BLASTER - that is a SIDE EFFECT only, not by design. So I still maintain, the virus does not attempt to disconnect from the Internet. And my statement still stands - NAV will catch the virus - you mention "out of date" - that is the fault of the operator, not the product, so the product will indeed catch it, however, it's like a gun - a gun will only hit what the operator aims at, operator error equals missed target. Failure to load gun, missed target. BLASTER is quite old, so unless they have not updated this year at all, NAV will find the "original" BLASTER. Do watch for VARIANTS, however. Yes, I'm aware of what "blaster" does, and doesn't do - I've written articles on computer viruses, including FAQs used by Symantec............... I've even disassembled them - and ( just turned down a chance to be an engineer at Symantec, working on their corporate products. Their engineers called me and wanted to fly me out to Santa Monica but we refuse to live in CA) And I'm a lot cheaper than a couple hundred bucks - I can clean them up in a couple of hours, $35/hour. I've cleaned up entire corporate networks.............. I still stick with my original contention that about 90% of computer woes blamed on "viruses" are NOT viruses. Yes, viruses DO infect computers and cause problems, but in my experience (over 14 years worth of computer virus fighting) MOST issues are not virus related at all - and everyone seems to like to cry "VIRUS!" at the first sign of computer problems - the result is that they learn NOTHING about the REAL cause, and simply go in and blast things away and do a resintall! Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:07 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice Bill, The Blaster Worm will shut down a computer. Not a true virus, but a worm. An anti virus that is out of date won't catch it, and that is Paul's problem. The Microsoft patch, and the virus definition have been out for almost a year now. I just cleaned a system a couple weeks ago with the worm. I spent about four hours cleaning and updating the computer, and that was on DSL. There were over 25 Meg of Microsoft updates, and about the same for the anti virus. There really is no excuse for this. So to you and all on the list: Install all Microsoft critical updates weekly, and update your anti virus at least once a week. Run a virus scan weekly, and most can be automated, so there is no excuse. Install a firewall, or at least use the one that came with XP. It's better than nothing. Also use Lavasoft Adaware for spyware. It's free. There is also another option. Pay someone like me or my buddy a couple hundred bucks to clean up your mess. The system I did was for my cousin and she was informed the next one won't be free. For more info on the worm check out: http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.mspx Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:32 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > Paul, without a little time I can't tell you what it IS, but can tell > you it's pretty much NOT a virus. It's amazing how many computer woes > get blamed on viruses now days. It's usually easier than finding the > real cause. Most computer ills are due to file corruption, file > conflicts, ill-behaved software, spyware or hardware malfunctions. A > real computer virus doesn't typically "disconnect". > If NAV says you don't have a virus, you don't have one. They aren't magic > and don't escape detection that easily. > > Bill > (former anti-virus administrator for a very large financial company, > and former Symantec support volunteer who just turned down a Symantec > position in California) > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul > Maples > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:58 PM > To: Stationary Engine List > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > Folks I am having a problem again that I had about a month ago and it > is really frustrating. I connect to my ISP and check my e-mail but the > minute I > try to use Internet Explorer it will disconnect my computer from the > ISP and > I have to dial back up to get on line again. The last time I > completely done > a Complete System Recovery, reformatted my hard drive and it has > worked until now and it is starting it all over. I have Norton > Internet Security > (Professional) and I ran it and there are no virus's indicated. I have > dumped every program on the PC except the absolute ones I have to have. I > don't even want to think that I have to do another system recovery and start > all over again. > > Any ides from you computer guru's? I am on dial up, not DSL. I am wondering > if DSL would help solve some of these issues. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jul 6 20:03:14 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 22:03:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems In-Reply-To: <04a901c463c3$f3342570$d0f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <001901c463ce$f288a230$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Paul - a bad modem or phone line will also do this! I'm serious, it happens to me once in a while, simply because our phone lines get wet - they suck. A bad modem can do this. I had to move to a dedicated telephone line and a new modem to get mine to stay connected. I went to a brand new internal modem and ran CAT5 cable from the demark to the back of the computer. Disconnects are now rare, they used to happen every couple of hours. IF you can find a spare modem, or connect on another line, try that before going too crazy - might save you a ton of work! Most computer issues are much more simple that folks make them out to be. And I am sorry, but I get sick of everyone crying "VIRUS!!!!" each time a computer burps. Virus happen, but cause less computer woes than you think. Computers DO BREAK, ya know! They are electro-mechanical devices made by humans - they can simply break or go bad. Files also simply get corrupted - gee, it's WINDOWS! They get corrupted more often do to other causes than viruses. Viruses are not the leading cause of file corruption or loss. Drives can and do still go bad - much more RARE now, but it does happen now and then. XP is good, but not perfect - it can crash and lead to terrible messes and file loss and corruption, totally unrelated to viruses. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:44 PM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems Folks here is where I stand on this problem: I have Windows XP, I am on dial up service. I dial up my ISP and I connect, no problem, however it may totally disconnect me from my dial up service at any moment, sometimes within 60 seconds, other times it may run a few minutes but always disconnects me and I have to dial back up. Jeff Allen tried to help me thinking it was the Blaster Worm but as Jeff said the Blaster Worm gives you notice that it is going to shut your computer down within seconds and it turns the computer off. My computer does not turn off, it just disconnects from the ISP. I get no messages, it just disconnects. I have Norton Internet Security (Professional Version) and I do a live update each morning when I first turn it on. The instant I get any notice of a Microsoft Update I stop and download all updates. I used a different virus program also and both programs said I do not have any virus's. IT has me stumped but if I don't fix it soon I am going to have to do a System Recovery and lose a lot of files and it will take me two days to get back on line. One gentleman called me today and told me all I had to do was to reload Windows XP and to do a Clean Load, not a Repair Load. My Windows XP came on my computer so I do not have just the Windows XP operating system, it is all on the Recovery Disk. Any fresh ideas will be appreciated. Hey I have stayed connected this time long enough to write this message so I am going to stop and send it before I disconnect. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Jul 6 22:00:02 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:00:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice References: <001801c463cd$faba37d0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <002801c463df$44888130$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hells bells Bill, >snip And I'm a lot cheaper than a couple hundred bucks - I can clean them up in a > couple of hours, $35/hour. I mentioned that I would charge a couple hundred to clean and update. Tell us all how to do a 25 Meg upgrade on dialup in this time frame, and then tell us the best time to hunt bacon with a shotgun. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:56 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > It CAN shut down a computer - but only certain operating systems, not all. > And, it has nothing to do with dial-up connections. > It's a root service that it affects and the end result is a complete Windows > shutdown. > (which you can PREVENT, by the way, with a simple command) > However, that is NOT the intent of BLASTER - that is a SIDE EFFECT only, not > by design. > So I still maintain, the virus does not attempt to disconnect from the > Internet. > And my statement still stands - NAV will catch the virus - you mention "out > of date" - that is the fault of the operator, not the product, so the > product will indeed catch it, however, it's like a gun - a gun will only hit > what the operator aims at, operator error equals missed target. Failure to > load gun, missed target. > BLASTER is quite old, so unless they have not updated this year at all, NAV > will find the "original" BLASTER. Do watch for VARIANTS, however. > > Yes, I'm aware of what "blaster" does, and doesn't do - I've written > articles on computer viruses, including FAQs used by Symantec............... > I've even disassembled them - and ( just turned down a chance to be an > engineer at Symantec, working on their corporate products. Their engineers > called me and wanted to fly me out to Santa Monica but we refuse to live in > CA) > And I'm a lot cheaper than a couple hundred bucks - I can clean them up in a > couple of hours, $35/hour. I've cleaned up entire corporate > networks.............. > > I still stick with my original contention that about 90% of computer woes > blamed on "viruses" are NOT viruses. Yes, viruses DO infect computers and > cause problems, but in my experience (over 14 years worth of computer virus > fighting) MOST issues are not virus related at all - and everyone seems to > like to cry "VIRUS!" at the first sign of computer problems - the result is > that they learn NOTHING about the REAL cause, and simply go in and blast > things away and do a resintall! > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:07 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > Bill, > > The Blaster Worm will shut down a computer. Not a true virus, but a worm. An > anti virus that is out of date won't catch it, and that is Paul's problem. > The Microsoft patch, and the virus definition have been out for almost a > year now. I just cleaned a system a couple weeks ago with the worm. I spent > about four hours cleaning and updating the computer, and that was on DSL. > There were over 25 Meg of Microsoft updates, and about the same for the anti > virus. There really is no excuse for this. So to you and all on the list: > > Install all Microsoft critical updates weekly, and update your anti virus at > least once a week. Run a virus scan weekly, and most can be automated, so > there is no excuse. Install a firewall, or at least use the one that came > with XP. It's better than nothing. Also use Lavasoft Adaware for spyware. > It's free. > > There is also another option. Pay someone like me or my buddy a couple > hundred bucks to clean up your mess. The system I did was for my cousin and > she was informed the next one won't be free. For more info on the worm check > out: > http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.mspx > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Dickerson" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:32 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > Paul, without a little time I can't tell you what it IS, but can tell > > you it's pretty much NOT a virus. It's amazing how many computer woes > > get blamed on viruses now days. It's usually easier than finding the > > real cause. Most computer ills are due to file corruption, file > > conflicts, ill-behaved software, spyware or hardware malfunctions. A > > real computer virus doesn't typically "disconnect". > > If NAV says you don't have a virus, you don't have one. They aren't magic > > and don't escape detection that easily. > > > > Bill > > (former anti-virus administrator for a very large financial company, > > and former Symantec support volunteer who just turned down a Symantec > > position in California) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul > > Maples > > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:58 PM > > To: Stationary Engine List > > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > > > Folks I am having a problem again that I had about a month ago and it > > is really frustrating. I connect to my ISP and check my e-mail but the > > minute > I > > try to use Internet Explorer it will disconnect my computer from the > > ISP > and > > I have to dial back up to get on line again. The last time I > > completely > done > > a Complete System Recovery, reformatted my hard drive and it has > > worked until now and it is starting it all over. I have Norton > > Internet Security > > (Professional) and I ran it and there are no virus's indicated. I have > > dumped every program on the PC except the absolute ones I have to have. I > > don't even want to think that I have to do another system recovery and > start > > all over again. > > > > Any ides from you computer guru's? I am on dial up, not DSL. I am > wondering > > if DSL would help solve some of these issues. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Paul > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Jul 7 04:31:24 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 07:31:24 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems Message-ID: <148.2db6b19c.2e1d390c@aol.com> In a message dated 7/6/2004 11:07:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bill at antique-engines.com writes: << I went to a brand new internal modem and ran CAT5 cable from the demark to the back of the computer. >> Bill, You computer gru's keep on talking so an illiterate like me can learn. What is a CAT5 cable and denmark? Is this something that can help connection speeds to a phone line? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Jul 7 04:42:57 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 12:42:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems In-Reply-To: <148.2db6b19c.2e1d390c@aol.com> References: <148.2db6b19c.2e1d390c@aol.com> Message-ID: <97one01tdap7gmm5pv3q6d428lajspfb00@4ax.com> On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 07:31:24 EDT, you wrote: >You computer gru's keep on talking so an illiterate like me can learn. What >is a CAT5 cable and denmark? Is this something that can help connection >speeds to a phone line? > >Tom Schmutz Tom: Cat5 is a type of networking cable that is used extensively for telecoms and is designed for use with lines and modems. Demark is probably Bills abbreviation for the demarcation point between where the phone service enters his building and where his own wiring takes over. As a lot of us use PC's entensively in our businesses and homes alongside the engine hobby, we have a much better understanding of the workings etc than the guys that just use them occasionally, and it would probably be a good idea for some of these expressions to be a little more user-friendly :-)) Done any more to the web-site? Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 7 05:36:28 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 07:36:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems In-Reply-To: <148.2db6b19c.2e1d390c@aol.com> Message-ID: <008e01c4641f$06f21a30$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> CAT 5 is "category 5" cable, it's the level of quality, put simply. There are a certain number of twists in certain pairs of wires within the cable, in short. Could get the full specs, but that's not needed here. Phone cable is low-quality cable, made for voice only, static doesn't matter. Categories 3 on up improve the cable quality, thus reducing noise and interference and allowing higher frequencies to traverse the cable with less interference. There's a bit more to it, but again, not needed here. I mis-spelled, I suspect. D mark is the point outside your house (usually outside) where the phone cable owned cable from the outside joins the house cable that you own and are responsible for - it's the point where their wires and your wires connect, typically on the side of the house, usually outside. If you run a clean, good cable from that point to the computer, you really reduce the possibility of problems. There are so many splices and break points in the phone wiring in a house, and they use the cheapest cable possible, again, they wire and guarantee it for voice only. They really don't have to make it any better than that. I do a "home run" (one cable, no breaks, no splices, straightest route) from the point of the phone company cable to my computer. I had to to remove interference and static. A modem WILL hang up or disconnect if there is poor signal quality - i.e.. Static, cross-talk, etc. This also allows the highest possible speeds - modems "negotiate" speeds - they start high, then keep dropping speed until they get to a point that communications are good. A bad cable can mean a 56K modem will connect at only 28.8 or LESS. A good cable can improve that, ASSUMING all else in the line is good........ The phone lines in West Des Moines where Barbara's store is are so bad that a computer/fax which SHOULD send and receive at 14.4 can only connect at 7200 - THAT is SLOW for a FAX. DSL is even slow there! Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 6:31 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems In a message dated 7/6/2004 11:07:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bill at antique-engines.com writes: << I went to a brand new internal modem and ran CAT5 cable from the demark to the back of the computer. >> Bill, You computer gru's keep on talking so an illiterate like me can learn. What is a CAT5 cable and denmark? Is this something that can help connection speeds to a phone line? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Jul 7 06:47:23 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 07:47:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines References: <0df101c46383$75c532e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: Ok, I'll bite..what are "chain falls?" Thanks RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alec Stevens" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines Does anyone have an old set or 2 of chain falls from 1900-1930 area??? I am looking for 2 different sets, stuck , broke , doesnt matter, let me know, Tks Did Little Wonder make there own engines or were they kits like Little Stewart etc??? A fiend is being offered a 3/4 hp tank cooled engine for 3 K and I told him I thought it was too much. Any help will be appreciated, Tks Again Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Wed Jul 7 07:44:50 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:44:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines References: <0df101c46383$75c532e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <0e7201c46430$f5096d20$0301a8c0@ALEC> Rick, Chain falls are what i have always called them, Hoist, winches, etc. are similar but I have only growd up calling them that. hang em in a tree or off something that can support the weight of whatever you are lifting and pull on one end of the chain , it lifts the end up, pull the other side of the chain and it lets it down, Some are a 1 piece continous chain, others are 2 seperate chains. I have never heard of a 3 piece chain in one of these.. The oldest one I have had or seen was last pat.d. in 1867, it was really old and very cool. Some were screw differential types, others rachet and so on. inside the casing the chain runs "doubled up" like using a come -along and having enough cable to double back gives you 2x+ the lifting /pulling capacity. I am sure there are many others on the list who can explain it better Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 > Ok, I'll bite..what are "chain falls?" > > Thanks > RickinMt. > > > > Does anyone have an old set or 2 of chain falls from 1900-1930 area??? > I am looking for 2 different sets, > stuck , broke , doesnt matter, let me know, Tks > > Did Little Wonder make there own engines or were they kits like Little > Stewart etc??? A fiend is being offered a 3/4 hp tank cooled engine for 3 K > and I told him I thought it was too much. Any help will be appreciated, > Tks Again > > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Jul 7 07:58:40 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:58:40 EDT Subject: [SEL] Economy cart Message-ID: <1ec.249e742d.2e1d69a0@aol.com> Made an offer on a nice yard ornament today! Owner does not live where it is located and on oxygen so he does not get out much. He told me he would consider my offer over the phone and to call back in a few days. Do not like to leave it like that as too much thinking time, but had to go along with his wishes. I would like to have been in his presence rather than over the phone. 1923 5F Economy saw rig, sn 285392, complete, one bent wheel, head cracked, all grease cups missing, mag/bracket long gone, very rusted and stuck. Even the idler pulley is there. Hopper full of dirt, but someone long ago loosened the head bolts and pulled it away from the block 1/4 inch, and took out the drain bolt, so do not believe the block is cracked. I have known about this engine for many years and took a notion to follow up on it again the other day. This is the first time the owner has considered selling it, but his health has deteriorated considerably since I last talked to him a few years ago. Pictures at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mvc-006f.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mvc-008f.jpg I have also made arrangements Monday to purchase another Economy drop frame cart that I recently found about at a small local show. It is in good condition, complete, but no engine or idler pulley. Ken Christison was at that show with us when I found out about it. So maybe a good week will turn into a great week!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jul 7 08:11:26 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 11:11:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines References: <0df101c46383$75c532e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <40EC129E.1040701@imc-group.com> Rick, You've seen 'em. Those magic metal boxes with a chain and hook hanging down for lifting heavy loads. And then another loop of chain that you pull on one way to make the load go up and the other way to make the load go down. What they had before electric hoists..... What do you guys on the left coast call 'em? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Richard Strobel wrote: >Ok, I'll bite..what are "chain falls?" > >Thanks >RickinMt. > > > > From solarrog at pacbell.net Wed Jul 7 08:20:08 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:20:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy cart References: <1ec.249e742d.2e1d69a0@aol.com> Message-ID: <023d01c46435$e3f2a1f0$34697343@solar> This looks like a great find, It also looks like a large project, It really deserves to be restored. Good luck! I hope you make a deal Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 7:58 AM Subject: [SEL] Economy cart > Made an offer on a nice yard ornament today! Owner does not live where it is > located and on oxygen so he does not get out much. He told me he would > consider my offer over the phone and to call back in a few days. Do not like to > leave it like that as too much thinking time, but had to go along with his > wishes. I would like to have been in his presence rather than over the phone. > > 1923 5F Economy saw rig, sn 285392, complete, one bent wheel, head cracked, > all grease cups missing, mag/bracket long gone, very rusted and stuck. Even the > idler pulley is there. Hopper full of dirt, but someone long ago loosened the > head bolts and pulled it away from the block 1/4 inch, and took out the drain > bolt, so do not believe the block is cracked. I have known about this engine > for many years and took a notion to follow up on it again the other day. > This is the first time the owner has considered selling it, but his health has > deteriorated considerably since I last talked to him a few years ago. Pictures > at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mvc-006f.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mvc-008f.jpg > > I have also made arrangements Monday to purchase another Economy drop frame > cart that I recently found about at a small local show. It is in good > condition, complete, but no engine or idler pulley. Ken Christison was at that show > with us when I found out about it. > > So maybe a good week will turn into a great week!! > > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rlcook at pionet.net Wed Jul 7 08:26:21 2004 From: rlcook at pionet.net (Ronald L. Cook) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:26:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines In-Reply-To: <40EC129E.1040701@imc-group.com> References: <0df101c46383$75c532e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> <40EC129E.1040701@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <40EC161D.2010002@pionet.net> Here in Northwest Iowa at my place we always call them chain hoists. However, I have a friend that works for a power company and he has always referred to them as chain falls. His go through a gearbox. Ours are an endless chain set up like a block and tackle. That might be the difference or maybe there is no difference other than terminology. Ron Cook Salix, IA Curt Holland wrote: > Rick, > You've seen 'em. Those magic metal boxes with a chain and hook hanging > down for lifting heavy loads. And then another loop of chain that you > pull on one way to make the load go up and the other way to make the > load go down. What they had before electric hoists..... > What do you guys on the left coast call 'em? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Richard Strobel wrote: > >> Ok, I'll bite..what are "chain falls?" >> >> Thanks >> RickinMt. From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Jul 7 08:26:13 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:26:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy cart Message-ID: <20040707.082613.1208.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Nice find Tom. Keep us up on the progress. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Jul 7 08:12:24 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:12:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] help? Message-ID: <20040707.113431.284.4.jlb94@juno.com> Probably a glue that is water based - We used them a lot in the flooring industry. Would need more info. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Jul 7 08:11:00 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:11:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems Message-ID: <20040707.113431.284.3.jlb94@juno.com> Paul - Have you given any thought to your modem ? As cheap as they are - It ain't a bad idea to have an extra. I had a modem that wouldn't hang up after I signed off and my phone line stayed busy. Once a phone call came in at the same time as my computer was dialing out and blew the modem. It may be your modem that's disconnecting. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed Jul 7 09:05:39 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:05:39 EDT Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines Message-ID: <21.4083328f.2e1d7953@aol.com> Hi Rick, The chainfall is a modern equivalent of the Chinese windlass. Another name for a chainfall might be a differential chain hoist. It looks a little like a block and tackle with chain instead of rope, but, the pulley's are all slightly different from each other in size, and, they are relieved so the chain links fall into pockets, effectively having the chain act as gear teeth. The chain is connected in a loop, and, as the direction of the chain moves in one directions, the two blocks either move away from each other or closer together. The force it can generate is immense. Ask me how I know all this? I once pulled a Hudson Hornet a 1/4 block down a muddy ditch using a chainfall and a long cable. It took most of a Sunday to accomplish, but, I got the car out of the ditch without having to call for help. Regards, Ron Carroll Nokesville, Virginia From ottawa at pa.net Wed Jul 7 09:30:16 2004 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:30:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines References: <0df101c46383$75c532e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> <40EC129E.1040701@imc-group.com> <40EC161D.2010002@pionet.net> Message-ID: <323101c4643f$b06d8020$1ef0cd97@HONDESKTOP> Hey Rick, Just go to google and type in chain fall. Surprise! Helen George L. & Helen S. Myers The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Tel 717-536-3711 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ronald L. Cook To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines Here in Northwest Iowa at my place we always call them chain hoists. However, I have a friend that works for a power company and he has always referred to them as chain falls. His go through a gearbox. Ours are an endless chain set up like a block and tackle. That might be the difference or maybe there is no difference other than terminology. Ron Cook Salix, IA Curt Holland wrote: > Rick, > You've seen 'em. Those magic metal boxes with a chain and hook hanging > down for lifting heavy loads. And then another loop of chain that you > pull on one way to make the load go up and the other way to make the > load go down. What they had before electric hoists..... > What do you guys on the left coast call 'em? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Richard Strobel wrote: > >> Ok, I'll bite..what are "chain falls?" >> >> Thanks >> RickinMt. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From don.h at wcoil.com Wed Jul 7 09:54:30 2004 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:54:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] help? References: <4.2.0.58.20040705055516.00b85da0@mail.keyconn.net> <6.1.0.6.0.20040706165046.02adc298@mail.herculesengines.com> <40EB5F69.1040402@udata.com> Message-ID: <001901c46443$12902700$6401a8c0@shop> same thing as liquid nail..also we used Latex glue to install carpet Dr Dave uses it to afix latex ??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy C." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 10:26 PM Subject: [SEL] help? > Gday > Hey, what is latex glue and where do I find it???? Have a project > that needs some, more on it later 8-) sights might be made in Portland > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 7 09:54:27 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:54:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice In-Reply-To: <002801c463df$44888130$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <00be01c46443$116da000$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Updates on CD............... There are apps that will pick what you want then run a script to apply them. And for my personal stuff - you go choose what you want and let it run while you go mow the yard. As for second question - ask John F. Kerry - I hear he's a great shooter! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:00 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice Hells bells Bill, >snip And I'm a lot cheaper than a couple hundred bucks - I can clean them up in a > couple of hours, $35/hour. I mentioned that I would charge a couple hundred to clean and update. Tell us all how to do a 25 Meg upgrade on dialup in this time frame, and then tell us the best time to hunt bacon with a shotgun. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:56 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > It CAN shut down a computer - but only certain operating systems, not > all. And, it has nothing to do with dial-up connections. It's a root > service that it affects and the end result is a complete Windows > shutdown. > (which you can PREVENT, by the way, with a simple command) However, > that is NOT the intent of BLASTER - that is a SIDE EFFECT only, not > by design. > So I still maintain, the virus does not attempt to disconnect from the > Internet. And my statement still stands - NAV will catch the virus - > you mention "out > of date" - that is the fault of the operator, not the product, so the > product will indeed catch it, however, it's like a gun - a gun will > only hit > what the operator aims at, operator error equals missed target. > Failure to load gun, missed target. BLASTER is quite old, so unless > they have not updated this year at all, NAV > will find the "original" BLASTER. Do watch for VARIANTS, however. > > Yes, I'm aware of what "blaster" does, and doesn't do - I've written > articles on computer viruses, including FAQs used by Symantec............... > I've even disassembled them - and ( just turned down a chance to be an > engineer at Symantec, working on their corporate products. Their > engineers called me and wanted to fly me out to Santa Monica but we > refuse to live in > CA) > And I'm a lot cheaper than a couple hundred bucks - I can clean them > up in a > couple of hours, $35/hour. I've cleaned up entire corporate > networks.............. > > I still stick with my original contention that about 90% of computer > woes blamed on "viruses" are NOT viruses. Yes, viruses DO infect > computers and cause problems, but in my experience (over 14 years > worth of computer virus > fighting) MOST issues are not virus related at all - and everyone > seems to like to cry "VIRUS!" at the first sign of computer problems - > the result is > that they learn NOTHING about the REAL cause, and simply go in and > blast things away and do a resintall! > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff > Allen > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:07 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > Bill, > > The Blaster Worm will shut down a computer. Not a true virus, but a > worm. An > anti virus that is out of date won't catch it, and that is Paul's > problem. The Microsoft patch, and the virus definition have been out > for almost a year now. I just cleaned a system a couple weeks ago with > the worm. I spent > about four hours cleaning and updating the computer, and that was on > DSL. There were over 25 Meg of Microsoft updates, and about the same > for the anti > virus. There really is no excuse for this. So to you and all on the > list: > > Install all Microsoft critical updates weekly, and update your anti > virus at > least once a week. Run a virus scan weekly, and most can be automated, > so there is no excuse. Install a firewall, or at least use the one > that came with XP. It's better than nothing. Also use Lavasoft Adaware > for spyware. It's free. > > There is also another option. Pay someone like me or my buddy a couple > hundred bucks to clean up your mess. The system I did was for my > cousin and > she was informed the next one won't be free. For more info on the worm check > out: > http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.mspx > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Dickerson" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:32 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > Paul, without a little time I can't tell you what it IS, but can > > tell you it's pretty much NOT a virus. It's amazing how many > > computer woes get blamed on viruses now days. It's usually easier > > than finding the real cause. Most computer ills are due to file > > corruption, file conflicts, ill-behaved software, spyware or > > hardware malfunctions. A real computer virus doesn't typically > > "disconnect". If NAV says you don't have a virus, you don't have > > one. They aren't magic > > and don't escape detection that easily. > > > > Bill > > (former anti-virus administrator for a very large financial company, > > and former Symantec support volunteer who just turned down a > > Symantec position in California) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul > > Maples > > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:58 PM > > To: Stationary Engine List > > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > > > Folks I am having a problem again that I had about a month ago and > > it is really frustrating. I connect to my ISP and check my e-mail > > but the minute > I > > try to use Internet Explorer it will disconnect my computer from the > > ISP > and > > I have to dial back up to get on line again. The last time I > > completely > done > > a Complete System Recovery, reformatted my hard drive and it has > > worked until now and it is starting it all over. I have Norton > > Internet Security > > (Professional) and I ran it and there are no virus's indicated. I > > have dumped every program on the PC except the absolute ones I have > > to have. I > > don't even want to think that I have to do another system recovery > > and > start > > all over again. > > > > Any ides from you computer guru's? I am on dial up, not DSL. I am > wondering > > if DSL would help solve some of these issues. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Paul > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pmaples at anaxis.net Wed Jul 7 10:05:11 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:05:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems References: <20040707.113431.284.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <006901c46444$a99cb630$cbf70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Joe for the input, Bill Dickerson has also suggested this as a possibility. I have a Sony Vaio Laptop, can I still easily use another modem or would I have to send this laptop off to get the modem changed out. I am not sure if I can connect an external modem, don't know much about this subject. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems > Paul - > Have you given any thought to your modem ? > > As cheap as they are - It ain't a bad idea to have an extra. > > I had a modem that wouldn't hang up after I signed off and my phone line > stayed busy. > > Once a phone call came in at the same time as my computer was dialing out > and > blew the modem. > > It may be your modem that's disconnecting. > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - > \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jul 7 10:18:19 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:18:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines/ditch pulling for fun References: <21.4083328f.2e1d7953@aol.com> Message-ID: <40EC305B.2030109@imc-group.com> Hey Ron, Why'd ya pull it a 1/4 block down the ditch instead of just pulling it right out of the ditch? Is this something Virginian's do for Sunday fun? :-) Curt Holland Gastonia, NC MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: >Ask me how I know all this? I once pulled a Hudson Hornet a 1/4 block down a >muddy ditch using a chainfall and a long cable. It took most of a Sunday to >accomplish, but, I got the car out of the ditch without having to call for >help. > >Regards, >Ron Carroll >Noville, Virginia > > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed Jul 7 10:25:11 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:25:11 EDT Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines/ditch pulling for fun Message-ID: <128.45b26fb7.2e1d8bf7@aol.com> In a message dated 7/7/2004 1:18:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: > > Hey Ron, > Why'd ya pull it a 1/4 block down the ditch instead of just pulling it > right out of the ditch? Is this something Virginian's do for Sunday fun? > :-) > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC Hi Curt, This was in Missouri, the street was mud, and the reason for pulling it so far was that the only anchor point I could find was a tree a ways down the block and across the street. The whole endeavor was, I must say, good exercise. Ron Carroll Nokesville, Virginia From falcon at telenet.net Wed Jul 7 10:28:29 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:28:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice References: <00be01c46443$116da000$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <006901c46447$d27d5020$1e5c14d0@net.telenet.net> Or even better go to http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/cd/order.asp and get a FREE CD with all the updates up to February on it. Did I mention it was FREE. It covers XP, ME, 2000, 98 and 98 SE. Includes media player 9 and IE 6 SP1 Oh and it's FREE in case I forgot that.... Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:54 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > Updates on CD............... > There are apps that will pick what you want then run a script to apply them. > And for my personal stuff - you go choose what you want and let it run while > you go mow the yard. > > As for second question - ask John F. Kerry - I hear he's a great shooter! > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:00 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > Hells bells Bill, > > >snip > And I'm a lot cheaper than a couple hundred bucks - I can clean them up in a > > couple of hours, $35/hour. > > I mentioned that I would charge a couple hundred to clean and update. Tell > us all how to do a 25 Meg upgrade on dialup in this time frame, and then > tell us the best time to hunt bacon with a shotgun. > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Dickerson" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:56 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > It CAN shut down a computer - but only certain operating systems, not > > all. And, it has nothing to do with dial-up connections. It's a root > > service that it affects and the end result is a complete > Windows > > shutdown. > > (which you can PREVENT, by the way, with a simple command) However, > > that is NOT the intent of BLASTER - that is a SIDE EFFECT only, > not > > by design. > > So I still maintain, the virus does not attempt to disconnect from the > > Internet. And my statement still stands - NAV will catch the virus - > > you mention > "out > > of date" - that is the fault of the operator, not the product, so the > > product will indeed catch it, however, it's like a gun - a gun will > > only > hit > > what the operator aims at, operator error equals missed target. > > Failure to load gun, missed target. BLASTER is quite old, so unless > > they have not updated this year at all, > NAV > > will find the "original" BLASTER. Do watch for VARIANTS, however. > > > > Yes, I'm aware of what "blaster" does, and doesn't do - I've written > > articles on computer viruses, including FAQs used by > Symantec............... > > I've even disassembled them - and ( just turned down a chance to be an > > engineer at Symantec, working on their corporate products. Their > > engineers called me and wanted to fly me out to Santa Monica but we > > refuse to live > in > > CA) > > And I'm a lot cheaper than a couple hundred bucks - I can clean them > > up in > a > > couple of hours, $35/hour. I've cleaned up entire corporate > > networks.............. > > > > I still stick with my original contention that about 90% of computer > > woes blamed on "viruses" are NOT viruses. Yes, viruses DO infect > > computers and cause problems, but in my experience (over 14 years > > worth of computer > virus > > fighting) MOST issues are not virus related at all - and everyone > > seems to like to cry "VIRUS!" at the first sign of computer problems - > > the result > is > > that they learn NOTHING about the REAL cause, and simply go in and > > blast things away and do a resintall! > > > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff > > Allen > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:07 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > > > Bill, > > > > The Blaster Worm will shut down a computer. Not a true virus, but a > > worm. > An > > anti virus that is out of date won't catch it, and that is Paul's > > problem. The Microsoft patch, and the virus definition have been out > > for almost a year now. I just cleaned a system a couple weeks ago with > > the worm. I > spent > > about four hours cleaning and updating the computer, and that was on > > DSL. There were over 25 Meg of Microsoft updates, and about the same > > for the > anti > > virus. There really is no excuse for this. So to you and all on the > > list: > > > > Install all Microsoft critical updates weekly, and update your anti > > virus > at > > least once a week. Run a virus scan weekly, and most can be automated, > > so there is no excuse. Install a firewall, or at least use the one > > that came with XP. It's better than nothing. Also use Lavasoft Adaware > > for spyware. It's free. > > > > There is also another option. Pay someone like me or my buddy a couple > > hundred bucks to clean up your mess. The system I did was for my > > cousin > and > > she was informed the next one won't be free. For more info on the worm > check > > out: > > http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.mspx > > > > Regards, > > > > Jeff Allen > > Arvada, Colorado USA > > > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > > http://frapa.us/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Dickerson" > > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:32 PM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > > > > Paul, without a little time I can't tell you what it IS, but can > > > tell you it's pretty much NOT a virus. It's amazing how many > > > computer woes get blamed on viruses now days. It's usually easier > > > than finding the real cause. Most computer ills are due to file > > > corruption, file conflicts, ill-behaved software, spyware or > > > hardware malfunctions. A real computer virus doesn't typically > > > "disconnect". If NAV says you don't have a virus, you don't have > > > one. They aren't > magic > > > and don't escape detection that easily. > > > > > > Bill > > > (former anti-virus administrator for a very large financial company, > > > and former Symantec support volunteer who just turned down a > > > Symantec position in California) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul > > > Maples > > > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:58 PM > > > To: Stationary Engine List > > > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > > > > > > Folks I am having a problem again that I had about a month ago and > > > it is really frustrating. I connect to my ISP and check my e-mail > > > but the minute > > I > > > try to use Internet Explorer it will disconnect my computer from the > > > ISP > > and > > > I have to dial back up to get on line again. The last time I > > > completely > > done > > > a Complete System Recovery, reformatted my hard drive and it has > > > worked until now and it is starting it all over. I have Norton > > > Internet Security > > > (Professional) and I ran it and there are no virus's indicated. I > > > have dumped every program on the PC except the absolute ones I have > > > to have. > I > > > don't even want to think that I have to do another system recovery > > > and > > start > > > all over again. > > > > > > Any ides from you computer guru's? I am on dial up, not DSL. I am > > wondering > > > if DSL would help solve some of these issues. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Wed Jul 7 10:31:52 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:31:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice Message-ID: <006f01c46448$4b08b020$1e5c14d0@net.telenet.net> Forgot to mention it also includes a one year free version of Etrusts EZ armor which is a firewall and AV program put out by Computer Associates. Did I mention it was FREE !!!!!! Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > Or even better go to > > http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/cd/order.asp > > and get a FREE CD with all the updates up to February on it. Did I > mention it was FREE. > It covers XP, ME, 2000, 98 and 98 SE. Includes media player 9 and IE 6 > SP1 > > Oh and it's FREE in case I forgot that.... > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown NY > From falcon at telenet.net Wed Jul 7 10:33:32 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:33:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems References: <20040707.113431.284.3.jlb94@juno.com> <006901c46444$a99cb630$cbf70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <007701c46448$88735820$1e5c14d0@net.telenet.net> External modems use either the older serial ports OR the newer ones use the USB ports. Plus for a laptop that has card slots there are card modems that also can be connected to a network. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems > Thanks Joe for the input, Bill Dickerson has also suggested this as a > possibility. I have a Sony Vaio Laptop, can I still easily use another modem > or would I have to send this laptop off to get the modem changed out. I am > not sure if I can connect an external modem, don't know much about this > subject. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:11 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems > > > > Paul - > > Have you given any thought to your modem ? > > > > As cheap as they are - It ain't a bad idea to have an extra. > > > > I had a modem that wouldn't hang up after I signed off and my phone line > > stayed busy. > > > > Once a phone call came in at the same time as my computer was dialing out > > and > > blew the modem. > > > > It may be your modem that's disconnecting. > > > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > jlb94 at juno.com > > ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - > > \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " > > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 7 12:40:42 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:40:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems In-Reply-To: <007701c46448$88735820$1e5c14d0@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <000b01c4645a$4dfd80f0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Hey Steve - are those updates on CD free by any chance?????? Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W. Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:34 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems External modems use either the older serial ports OR the newer ones use the USB ports. Plus for a laptop that has card slots there are card modems that also can be connected to a network. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems > Thanks Joe for the input, Bill Dickerson has also suggested this as a > possibility. I have a Sony Vaio Laptop, can I still easily use another modem > or would I have to send this laptop off to get the modem changed out. I am > not sure if I can connect an external modem, don't know much about this > subject. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:11 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems > > > > Paul - > > Have you given any thought to your modem ? > > > > As cheap as they are - It ain't a bad idea to have an extra. > > > > I had a modem that wouldn't hang up after I signed off and my phone line > > stayed busy. > > > > Once a phone call came in at the same time as my computer was dialing out > > and > > blew the modem. > > > > It may be your modem that's disconnecting. > > > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > jlb94 at juno.com > > ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - > > \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " > > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 7 12:40:42 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:40:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice In-Reply-To: <006901c46447$d27d5020$1e5c14d0@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <000c01c4645a$4f4b36a0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Hmmm, I thought I said "updates on CD", guess I must have said "updates on TV" instead. :-) And - it's FREE (aw, com'on, something FREE from Bill the Gates? You're joshing, right? Nope, it's true, and part of their great plot for world domination. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W. Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:28 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice Or even better go to http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/cd/order.asp and get a FREE CD with all the updates up to February on it. Did I mention it was FREE. It covers XP, ME, 2000, 98 and 98 SE. Includes media player 9 and IE 6 SP1 Oh and it's FREE in case I forgot that.... Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:54 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > Updates on CD............... > There are apps that will pick what you want then run a script to apply them. > And for my personal stuff - you go choose what you want and let it run while > you go mow the yard. > > As for second question - ask John F. Kerry - I hear he's a great shooter! > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:00 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > Hells bells Bill, > > >snip > And I'm a lot cheaper than a couple hundred bucks - I can clean them up in a > > couple of hours, $35/hour. > > I mentioned that I would charge a couple hundred to clean and update. Tell > us all how to do a 25 Meg upgrade on dialup in this time frame, and then > tell us the best time to hunt bacon with a shotgun. > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Dickerson" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:56 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > It CAN shut down a computer - but only certain operating systems, not > > all. And, it has nothing to do with dial-up connections. It's a root > > service that it affects and the end result is a complete > Windows > > shutdown. > > (which you can PREVENT, by the way, with a simple command) However, > > that is NOT the intent of BLASTER - that is a SIDE EFFECT only, > not > > by design. > > So I still maintain, the virus does not attempt to disconnect from the > > Internet. And my statement still stands - NAV will catch the virus - > > you mention > "out > > of date" - that is the fault of the operator, not the product, so the > > product will indeed catch it, however, it's like a gun - a gun will > > only > hit > > what the operator aims at, operator error equals missed target. > > Failure to load gun, missed target. BLASTER is quite old, so unless > > they have not updated this year at all, > NAV > > will find the "original" BLASTER. Do watch for VARIANTS, however. > > > > Yes, I'm aware of what "blaster" does, and doesn't do - I've written > > articles on computer viruses, including FAQs used by > Symantec............... > > I've even disassembled them - and ( just turned down a chance to be an > > engineer at Symantec, working on their corporate products. Their > > engineers called me and wanted to fly me out to Santa Monica but we > > refuse to live > in > > CA) > > And I'm a lot cheaper than a couple hundred bucks - I can clean them > > up in > a > > couple of hours, $35/hour. I've cleaned up entire corporate > > networks.............. > > > > I still stick with my original contention that about 90% of computer > > woes blamed on "viruses" are NOT viruses. Yes, viruses DO infect > > computers and cause problems, but in my experience (over 14 years > > worth of computer > virus > > fighting) MOST issues are not virus related at all - and everyone > > seems to like to cry "VIRUS!" at the first sign of computer problems - > > the result > is > > that they learn NOTHING about the REAL cause, and simply go in and > > blast things away and do a resintall! > > > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff > > Allen > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:07 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > > > Bill, > > > > The Blaster Worm will shut down a computer. Not a true virus, but a > > worm. > An > > anti virus that is out of date won't catch it, and that is Paul's > > problem. The Microsoft patch, and the virus definition have been out > > for almost a year now. I just cleaned a system a couple weeks ago with > > the worm. I > spent > > about four hours cleaning and updating the computer, and that was on > > DSL. There were over 25 Meg of Microsoft updates, and about the same > > for the > anti > > virus. There really is no excuse for this. So to you and all on the > > list: > > > > Install all Microsoft critical updates weekly, and update your anti > > virus > at > > least once a week. Run a virus scan weekly, and most can be automated, > > so there is no excuse. Install a firewall, or at least use the one > > that came with XP. It's better than nothing. Also use Lavasoft Adaware > > for spyware. It's free. > > > > There is also another option. Pay someone like me or my buddy a couple > > hundred bucks to clean up your mess. The system I did was for my > > cousin > and > > she was informed the next one won't be free. For more info on the worm > check > > out: > > http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.mspx > > > > Regards, > > > > Jeff Allen > > Arvada, Colorado USA > > > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > > http://frapa.us/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Dickerson" > > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:32 PM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > > > > Paul, without a little time I can't tell you what it IS, but can > > > tell you it's pretty much NOT a virus. It's amazing how many > > > computer woes get blamed on viruses now days. It's usually easier > > > than finding the real cause. Most computer ills are due to file > > > corruption, file conflicts, ill-behaved software, spyware or > > > hardware malfunctions. A real computer virus doesn't typically > > > "disconnect". If NAV says you don't have a virus, you don't have > > > one. They aren't > magic > > > and don't escape detection that easily. > > > > > > Bill > > > (former anti-virus administrator for a very large financial company, > > > and former Symantec support volunteer who just turned down a > > > Symantec position in California) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul > > > Maples > > > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:58 PM > > > To: Stationary Engine List > > > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > > > > > > Folks I am having a problem again that I had about a month ago and > > > it is really frustrating. I connect to my ISP and check my e-mail > > > but the minute > > I > > > try to use Internet Explorer it will disconnect my computer from the > > > ISP > > and > > > I have to dial back up to get on line again. The last time I > > > completely > > done > > > a Complete System Recovery, reformatted my hard drive and it has > > > worked until now and it is starting it all over. I have Norton > > > Internet Security > > > (Professional) and I ran it and there are no virus's indicated. I > > > have dumped every program on the PC except the absolute ones I have > > > to have. > I > > > don't even want to think that I have to do another system recovery > > > and > > start > > > all over again. > > > > > > Any ides from you computer guru's? I am on dial up, not DSL. I am > > wondering > > > if DSL would help solve some of these issues. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Jul 7 13:49:26 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:49:26 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Industrion 2004 Festival. Message-ID: <000701c46463$e47c0750$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi All, Put some images on the site of last weekend's engine festival held at Kerkrade. We had good weather and lots of engine fun in the Industrion Museum garden. Pictures can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/industrion2004.htm Enjoy it, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Jul 7 14:06:16 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:06:16 EDT Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines Message-ID: <19e.26640c5e.2e1dbfc8@aol.com> In a message dated 7/7/2004 9:52:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: << Ok, I'll bite..what are "chain falls? >> Rick, Picture of chain falls GEM, June issue, page 62, top right of page. 2 ton for sale for $100. Probably long gone. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jul 7 04:43:34 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 21:43:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: [SEL Little Wonder engines In-Reply-To: <0df101c46383$75c532e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <200407072110.i67LAf4D013192@heavyiron.atis.net> Hi Alec, By Little Wonder are you referring to the engines made by Chicago Flexible Shaft? These were sold as Stewart Little Wonder and Cooper, Stover and probably others but were made by Chicago Flexible Shaft. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cammay04/04051625.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Did Little Wonder make there own engines or were they kits like Little Stewart etc??? A fiend is being offered a 3/4 hp tank cooled engine for 3 K and I told him I thought it was too much. Any help will be appreciated, Tks Again Alec J. Stevens From rholtzer at earthlink.net Wed Jul 7 14:31:20 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:31:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems In-Reply-To: <008e01c4641f$06f21a30$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> References: <148.2db6b19c.2e1d390c@aol.com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040707142952.00bac528@mail.earthlink.net> Quite a while back I had "modem trouble". Turned out to be the extension phone in the bedroom. Modem worked fine after the phone was disconnected! Of course, I had to have the phone company out to tell me their line was OK! Bob Holtzer At 07:36 AM 7/7/2004 -0500, you wrote: >CAT 5 is "category 5" cable, it's the level of quality, put simply. >There are a certain number of twists in certain pairs of wires within the >cable, in short. >Could get the full specs, but that's not needed here. >Phone cable is low-quality cable, made for voice only, static doesn't >matter. >Categories 3 on up improve the cable quality, thus reducing noise and >interference and allowing higher frequencies to traverse the cable with less >interference. >There's a bit more to it, but again, not needed here. >I mis-spelled, I suspect. D mark is the point outside your house (usually >outside) where the phone cable owned cable from the outside joins the house >cable that you own and are responsible for - it's the point where their >wires and your wires connect, typically on the side of the house, usually >outside. >If you run a clean, good cable from that point to the computer, you really >reduce the possibility of problems. There are so many splices and break >points in the phone wiring in a house, and they use the cheapest cable >possible, again, they wire and guarantee it for voice only. They really >don't have to make it any better than that. >I do a "home run" (one cable, no breaks, no splices, straightest route) from >the point of the phone company cable to my computer. I had to to remove >interference and static. A modem WILL hang up or disconnect if there is poor >signal quality - i.e.. Static, cross-talk, etc. This also allows the highest >possible speeds - modems "negotiate" speeds - they start high, then keep >dropping speed until they get to a point that communications are good. A bad >cable can mean a 56K modem will connect at only 28.8 or LESS. A good cable >can improve that, ASSUMING all else in the line is good........ >The phone lines in West Des Moines where Barbara's store is are so bad that >a computer/fax which SHOULD send and receive at 14.4 can only connect at >7200 - THAT is SLOW for a FAX. >DSL is even slow there! > >Bill > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >Germoamer at aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 6:31 AM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems > > >In a message dated 7/6/2004 11:07:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >bill at antique-engines.com writes: > ><< I went to a brand new internal > modem and ran CAT5 cable from the demark to the back of the computer. >> > >Bill, > >You computer gru's keep on talking so an illiterate like me can learn. What > >is a CAT5 cable and denmark? Is this something that can help connection >speeds to a phone line? > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. USA >Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rholtzer at earthlink.net Wed Jul 7 14:41:09 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:41:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems In-Reply-To: <20040707.113431.284.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040707143940.00b97fa8@mail.earthlink.net> And if you do, consider an external modem. It is really handy to see the lights and directly see what is happening. Also allows turning it off when not in use -- which may be helpful at times. Bob Holtzer At 11:11 AM 7/7/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Paul - >Have you given any thought to your modem ? > >As cheap as they are - It ain't a bad idea to have an extra. > >I had a modem that wouldn't hang up after I signed off and my phone line >stayed busy. > >Once a phone call came in at the same time as my computer was dialing out >and >blew the modem. > >It may be your modem that's disconnecting. > > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - > \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rholtzer at earthlink.net Wed Jul 7 14:51:54 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:51:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice In-Reply-To: <006901c46447$d27d5020$1e5c14d0@net.telenet.net> References: <00be01c46443$116da000$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040707145113.00bccf00@mail.earthlink.net> You did say free! And even better -- SO DID MICROSOFT!! Thanks for the info. Bob Holtzer At 01:28 PM 7/7/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Or even better go to > >http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/cd/order.asp > >and get a FREE CD with all the updates up to February on it. Did I >mention it was FREE. >It covers XP, ME, 2000, 98 and 98 SE. Includes media player 9 and IE 6 >SP1 > >Oh and it's FREE in case I forgot that.... > >Steve Williams >Near Cooperstown NY > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Dickerson" >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:54 PM >Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > Updates on CD............... > > There are apps that will pick what you want then run a script to apply >them. > > And for my personal stuff - you go choose what you want and let it run >while > > you go mow the yard. > > > > As for second question - ask John F. Kerry - I hear he's a great >shooter! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff >Allen > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:00 AM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > > > Hells bells Bill, > > > > >snip > > And I'm a lot cheaper than a couple hundred bucks - I can clean them >up in a > > > couple of hours, $35/hour. > > > > I mentioned that I would charge a couple hundred to clean and update. >Tell > > us all how to do a 25 Meg upgrade on dialup in this time frame, and >then > > tell us the best time to hunt bacon with a shotgun. > > > > Jeff > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Dickerson" > > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:56 PM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > > > > It CAN shut down a computer - but only certain operating systems, >not > > > all. And, it has nothing to do with dial-up connections. It's a root > > > service that it affects and the end result is a complete > > Windows > > > shutdown. > > > (which you can PREVENT, by the way, with a simple command) However, > > > that is NOT the intent of BLASTER - that is a SIDE EFFECT only, > > not > > > by design. > > > So I still maintain, the virus does not attempt to disconnect from >the > > > Internet. And my statement still stands - NAV will catch the virus - > > > you mention > > "out > > > of date" - that is the fault of the operator, not the product, so >the > > > product will indeed catch it, however, it's like a gun - a gun will > > > only > > hit > > > what the operator aims at, operator error equals missed target. > > > Failure to load gun, missed target. BLASTER is quite old, so unless > > > they have not updated this year at all, > > NAV > > > will find the "original" BLASTER. Do watch for VARIANTS, however. > > > > > > Yes, I'm aware of what "blaster" does, and doesn't do - I've written > > > articles on computer viruses, including FAQs used by > > Symantec............... > > > I've even disassembled them - and ( just turned down a chance to be >an > > > engineer at Symantec, working on their corporate products. Their > > > engineers called me and wanted to fly me out to Santa Monica but we > > > refuse to live > > in > > > CA) > > > And I'm a lot cheaper than a couple hundred bucks - I can clean them > > > up in > > a > > > couple of hours, $35/hour. I've cleaned up entire corporate > > > networks.............. > > > > > > I still stick with my original contention that about 90% of computer > > > woes blamed on "viruses" are NOT viruses. Yes, viruses DO infect > > > computers and cause problems, but in my experience (over 14 years > > > worth of computer > > virus > > > fighting) MOST issues are not virus related at all - and everyone > > > seems to like to cry "VIRUS!" at the first sign of computer >problems - > > > the result > > is > > > that they learn NOTHING about the REAL cause, and simply go in and > > > blast things away and do a resintall! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff > > > Allen > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:07 PM > > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > The Blaster Worm will shut down a computer. Not a true virus, but a > > > worm. > > An > > > anti virus that is out of date won't catch it, and that is Paul's > > > problem. The Microsoft patch, and the virus definition have been out > > > for almost a year now. I just cleaned a system a couple weeks ago >with > > > the worm. I > > spent > > > about four hours cleaning and updating the computer, and that was on > > > DSL. There were over 25 Meg of Microsoft updates, and about the same > > > for the > > anti > > > virus. There really is no excuse for this. So to you and all on the > > > list: > > > > > > Install all Microsoft critical updates weekly, and update your anti > > > virus > > at > > > least once a week. Run a virus scan weekly, and most can be >automated, > > > so there is no excuse. Install a firewall, or at least use the one > > > that came with XP. It's better than nothing. Also use Lavasoft >Adaware > > > for spyware. It's free. > > > > > > There is also another option. Pay someone like me or my buddy a >couple > > > hundred bucks to clean up your mess. The system I did was for my > > > cousin > > and > > > she was informed the next one won't be free. For more info on the >worm > > check > > > out: > > > http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.mspx > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Jeff Allen > > > Arvada, Colorado USA > > > > > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > > > http://frapa.us/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bill Dickerson" > > > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:32 PM > > > Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > > > > > > > Paul, without a little time I can't tell you what it IS, but can > > > > tell you it's pretty much NOT a virus. It's amazing how many > > > > computer woes get blamed on viruses now days. It's usually easier > > > > than finding the real cause. Most computer ills are due to file > > > > corruption, file conflicts, ill-behaved software, spyware or > > > > hardware malfunctions. A real computer virus doesn't typically > > > > "disconnect". If NAV says you don't have a virus, you don't have > > > > one. They aren't > > magic > > > > and don't escape detection that easily. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > (former anti-virus administrator for a very large financial >company, > > > > and former Symantec support volunteer who just turned down a > > > > Symantec position in California) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul > > > > Maples > > > > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:58 PM > > > > To: Stationary Engine List > > > > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks I am having a problem again that I had about a month ago and > > > > it is really frustrating. I connect to my ISP and check my e-mail > > > > but the minute > > > I > > > > try to use Internet Explorer it will disconnect my computer from >the > > > > ISP > > > and > > > > I have to dial back up to get on line again. The last time I > > > > completely > > > done > > > > a Complete System Recovery, reformatted my hard drive and it has > > > > worked until now and it is starting it all over. I have Norton > > > > Internet Security > > > > (Professional) and I ran it and there are no virus's indicated. I > > > > have dumped every program on the PC except the absolute ones I >have > > > > to have. > > I > > > > don't even want to think that I have to do another system recovery > > > > and > > > start > > > > all over again. > > > > > > > > Any ides from you computer guru's? I am on dial up, not DSL. I am > > > wondering > > > > if DSL would help solve some of these issues. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SEL mailing list > > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SEL mailing list > > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Jul 7 17:40:16 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:40:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Industrion 2004 Festival. In-Reply-To: <000701c46463$e47c0750$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <200407080040.i680eKuY030588@heavyiron.atis.net> > Put some images on the site of last weekend's engine festival > held at Kerkrade. We had good weather and lots of engine fun > in the Industrion Museum garden. > Pictures can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/industrion2004 .htm As usual John, your pictures are stunning. Thanks for sharing them. Rob From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jul 7 19:30:26 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:30:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Delivery failure (glenn.karch@gte.net) References: <002e01c46351$feb82bc0$71121bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <047a01c46493$874bfa10$0400a8c0@Dave> No Reg, it is not the fault of your computer. Spencer (ATIS) has invented a system that only lets the clean and pure contact Glenn Karch. I can forward your posts to Glenn if you wish! Dave > I never have worked out what this is all about but, It happens a lot. > Is it a fault with my computer or what? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 9:59 PM > Subject: Delivery failure (glenn.karch at gte.net) > > > > Your message has encountered delivery problems > > to the following recipient(s): > > > > glenn.karch at gte.net > > Delivery failed > > 550 You are not allowed to send mail:sc013pub.verizon.net > > > > > > Sent: MAIL FROM: SIZE=2478 > > Received:550 You are not allowed to send mail:sc013pub.verizon.net > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Wed Jul 7 19:40:21 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 21:40:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems References: <20040707.113431.284.3.jlb94@juno.com><006901c46444$a99cb630$cbf70cd1@VAIO> <007701c46448$88735820$1e5c14d0@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <007a01c46494$ed261590$daf70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Steve, I am struggling to stay connected long enough to answer anyone's mail. IT has disconnected five times on me in the last 2 minutes, What a bummer. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems > External modems use either the older serial ports OR the newer ones use > the USB ports. Plus for a laptop that has card slots there are card > modems that also can be connected to a network. > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown NY > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 1:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems > > > > Thanks Joe for the input, Bill Dickerson has also suggested this as a > > possibility. I have a Sony Vaio Laptop, can I still easily use another > modem > > or would I have to send this laptop off to get the modem changed out. > I am > > not sure if I can connect an external modem, don't know much about > this > > subject. > > > > Paul > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:11 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems > > > > > > > Paul - > > > Have you given any thought to your modem ? > > > > > > As cheap as they are - It ain't a bad idea to have an extra. > > > > > > I had a modem that wouldn't hang up after I signed off and my phone > line > > > stayed busy. > > > > > > Once a phone call came in at the same time as my computer was > dialing out > > > and > > > blew the modem. > > > > > > It may be your modem that's disconnecting. > > > > > > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > > jlb94 at juno.com > > > ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - > > > \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " > > > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Wed Jul 7 19:49:35 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 21:49:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy cart References: <1ec.249e742d.2e1d69a0@aol.com> Message-ID: <009801c46496$37954d20$daf70cd1@VAIO> Tom you have to be one of the luckiest guys I know, you are always finding something. Congratulations on the find. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: [SEL] Economy cart > Made an offer on a nice yard ornament today! Owner does not live where it is > located and on oxygen so he does not get out much. He told me he would > consider my offer over the phone and to call back in a few days. Do not like to > leave it like that as too much thinking time, but had to go along with his > wishes. I would like to have been in his presence rather than over the phone. > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Wed Jul 7 20:44:00 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:44:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven Message-ID: <010301c4649d$d1b9bbf0$daf70cd1@VAIO> I am just about finished with wiring up my son's new home and I am in the kitchen now. I have run two dedicated 20 AMP GFIC circuits for the countertops and wall receptacles in the kitchen, I ran a dedicated 20 amp service for the dishwasher. I am wondering about the microwave oven, should I run a separate circuit for this or can I come off of a lighting circuit. I am not sure how much they pull but I am guessing around 12 to 15 amps which tells me it might need its own circuit. Let me hear from you electricians on this. Thanks. From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Jul 7 20:57:12 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 23:57:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven In-Reply-To: <010301c4649d$d1b9bbf0$daf70cd1@VAIO> References: <010301c4649d$d1b9bbf0$daf70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: The microwave I carried up to Kentucky and to Portland last year makes Dolly bark pretty smartly when it kicks on. Just wandered down to the basement and peered at the label on the back, upside down. Looks like 13 amps. John On Jul 7, 2004, at 11:44 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > I am just about finished with wiring up my son's new home and I am in > the > kitchen now. I have run two dedicated 20 AMP GFIC circuits for the > countertops and wall receptacles in the kitchen, I ran a dedicated 20 > amp > service for the dishwasher. I am wondering about the microwave oven, > should > I run a separate circuit for this or can I come off of a lighting > circuit. I > am not sure how much they pull but I am guessing around 12 to 15 amps > which > tells me it might need its own circuit. Let me hear from you > electricians on > this. Thanks. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From pmaples at anaxis.net Wed Jul 7 21:03:52 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 23:03:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven References: <010301c4649d$d1b9bbf0$daf70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <012501c464a0$98ae4800$daf70cd1@VAIO> Thanks John, I appreciate you taking the time to go and look. I think I better put this critter on it on leash. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven > The microwave I carried up to Kentucky and to Portland last year makes > Dolly bark pretty smartly when it kicks on. > > Just wandered down to the basement and peered at the label on the back, > upside down. Looks like 13 amps. > > John > > On Jul 7, 2004, at 11:44 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > > > I am just about finished with wiring up my son's new home and I am in > > the > From garyepps at fidnet.com Wed Jul 7 21:21:45 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 23:21:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven References: <010301c4649d$d1b9bbf0$daf70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <00ba01c464a3$31734020$4c83fb40@3rbys01> Paul, I'm not a licensed electrician, but you should install a dedicated 20 Amp circuit (12/2 wire) for a microwave. While some small microwaves can operate on a 15 Amp circuit, you need to plan for the possibility that a larger microwave might be used in the future. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:44 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven > I am just about finished with wiring up my son's new home and I am in the > kitchen now. I have run two dedicated 20 AMP GFIC circuits for the > countertops and wall receptacles in the kitchen, I ran a dedicated 20 amp > service for the dishwasher. I am wondering about the microwave oven, should > I run a separate circuit for this or can I come off of a lighting circuit. I > am not sure how much they pull but I am guessing around 12 to 15 amps which > tells me it might need its own circuit. Let me hear from you electricians on > this. Thanks. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From EnginePaul at aol.com Wed Jul 7 21:44:22 2004 From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 00:44:22 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven Message-ID: <3e.4130aeae.2e1e2b26@aol.com> I can't see why a dedicated circuit would be necessary unless called for in your local codes. I've done the wall mount over the stove, with vent and all in many kitchens and never used a dedicated line. Even the two 20 amp lines are capable of handling lots of stuff. Add up everything on your counter, bet that even if you ran all of them, you'd have power to spare. If not, then do another line. Paul in San Francisco (inactive Licensed Contractor, but did not go to the books for the answer) PS: I own apartments, some of which are older and a tripped breaker is rare, and usually caused by a huge overload or a faulty appliance. From alanb2 at webtv.net Thu Jul 8 02:42:28 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:42:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven In-Reply-To: EnginePaul@aol.com's message of Thu, 8 Jul 2004 00:44:22 EDT Message-ID: <16320-40ED1704-4197@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net> Hi Paul, In the six years I spent working with a licensed master electrician we installed a dedicated 20A circuit for every nuke box. That said,,,,, When I built and wired my house I never planned for a microwave. Ours seems happy to share it's 20A circuit with the fridge, a counter outlet that gets used every day and the outlet behind the stove that runs the fan and light. It as never tripped in the 27 years since I built the house. So,,, Do what you want. If I had the wire, and a spot in the panel, I would run the dedicated circuit. If not then I wouldn't worry about it. Have fun Sparky Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jul 8 03:35:20 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 20:35:20 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Delivery failure (glenn.karch@gte.net) References: <002e01c46351$feb82bc0$71121bd3@athlon> <047a01c46493$874bfa10$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <00f301c464d7$4be28860$a0111bd3@athlon> You! Clean and pure?? Ha!! Now Ive heard it all!!!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Delivery failure (glenn.karch at gte.net) > No Reg, it is not the fault of your computer. Spencer (ATIS) has invented a > system that only lets the clean and pure contact Glenn Karch. I can forward > your posts to Glenn if you wish! > Dave From sutter at iprimus.com.au Thu Jul 8 04:00:14 2004 From: sutter at iprimus.com.au (Sutter) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 21:00:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: This is a test - is anyone out there! Thanks Rod Sutter Melbourne Australia sutter at iprimus.com.au From wilson at stny.rr.com Thu Jul 8 04:21:20 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 07:21:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: yep -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Sutter Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 7:00 AM To: Engine List Subject: [SEL] test This is a test - is anyone out there! Thanks Rod Sutter Melbourne Australia sutter at iprimus.com.au _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Jul 8 05:05:20 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 08:05:20 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven Message-ID: <193.2b80d20d.2e1e9280@aol.com> Paul, I am not a licensed electrician, but I think the building codes require a separate circuit for the microwave, refrigerator, dish washer. Also, there must be an outlet for each separate section of counter top, minimum of 2 separate circuits, and some maximum distance between the outlets. I can make some phone calls this evening to a licensed friend if you need to know more. A phone call to your local building inspector should also answer the question. I once took the electrical code course at the community college, but that was 25 years ago and a lot has changed. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 8 05:28:19 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:28:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines References: <0df101c46383$75c532e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> <0e7201c46430$f5096d20$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: Ok thanks Alec...we have numerous names for them also...chain hoist being the most common. Jus never heard chain fall before. later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alec Stevens" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines > Rick, > Chain falls are what i have always called them, > Hoist, winches, etc. are similar but I have only growd up calling them > that. hang em in a tree or off something that can support the weight of > whatever you are lifting and pull on one end of the chain , it lifts the > end > up, pull the other side of the chain and it lets it down, > Some are a 1 piece continous chain, others are 2 seperate chains. I have > never heard of a 3 piece chain in one of these.. The oldest one I have had > or seen was last pat.d. in 1867, it was really old and very cool. Some > were > screw differential types, others rachet and so on. inside the casing the > chain runs "doubled up" like using a come -along and having enough cable > to > double back gives you 2x+ the lifting /pulling capacity. > I am sure there are many others on the list who can explain it better > > Alec J. Stevens > Investment Specialist > 80 Leighton Road, Suite C > Falmouth, ME 04105 > (800)842-6669 > (207)797-5169 > (207)797-2819 > > > > Ok, I'll bite..what are "chain falls?" > > > > Thanks > > RickinMt. > > > > > > > > Does anyone have an old set or 2 of chain falls from 1900-1930 area??? > > I am looking for 2 different sets, > > stuck , broke , doesnt matter, let me know, Tks > > > > Did Little Wonder make there own engines or were they kits like Little > > Stewart etc??? A fiend is being offered a 3/4 hp tank cooled engine for > > 3 > K > > and I told him I thought it was too much. Any help will be appreciated, > > Tks Again > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 8 05:34:42 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:34:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy cart References: <1ec.249e742d.2e1d69a0@aol.com> Message-ID: Good Luck on 'er Tom!!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 8:58 AM Subject: [SEL] Economy cart > Made an offer on a nice yard ornament today! Owner does not live where it > is > located and on oxygen so he does not get out much. He told me he would > consider my offer over the phone and to call back in a few days. Do not > like to > leave it like that as too much thinking time, but had to go along with his > wishes. I would like to have been in his presence rather than over the > phone. > > 1923 5F Economy saw rig, sn 285392, complete, one bent wheel, head > cracked, > all grease cups missing, mag/bracket long gone, very rusted and stuck. > Even the > idler pulley is there. Hopper full of dirt, but someone long ago loosened > the > head bolts and pulled it away from the block 1/4 inch, and took out the > drain > bolt, so do not believe the block is cracked. I have known about this > engine > for many years and took a notion to follow up on it again the other day. > This is the first time the owner has considered selling it, but his health > has > deteriorated considerably since I last talked to him a few years ago. > Pictures > at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mvc-006f.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mvc-008f.jpg > > I have also made arrangements Monday to purchase another Economy drop > frame > cart that I recently found about at a small local show. It is in good > condition, complete, but no engine or idler pulley. Ken Christison was at > that show > with us when I found out about it. > > So maybe a good week will turn into a great week!! > > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Thu Jul 8 05:33:45 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 07:33:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven References: <010301c4649d$d1b9bbf0$daf70cd1@VAIO> <00ba01c464a3$31734020$4c83fb40@3rbys01> Message-ID: <008301c464e8$d3b8f240$e3f70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Gary, this has been the input I have been receiving so this is what I am going to do. I appreciate your response. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven > Paul, > > I'm not a licensed electrician, but you should install a dedicated 20 Amp > circuit (12/2 wire) for a microwave. While some small microwaves can > operate on a 15 Amp circuit, you need to plan for the possibility that a > larger microwave might be used in the future. > > Gary > ----- Original Message ----- From pmaples at anaxis.net Thu Jul 8 05:44:42 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 07:44:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O. T. Wiring up a Microwanve Message-ID: <008c01c464e9$70a49b90$e3f70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Jim, Gary, Alan, Paul, and Curt for all of the excellent feedback on this issue. If I missed naming someone because of my lack of memory space (in my head) forgive me and thank you. You guys are great and come through for me each time. Paul From Jdragoset at galvotec.com Thu Jul 8 06:02:14 2004 From: Jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 08:02:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven In-Reply-To: <010301c4649d$d1b9bbf0$daf70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: Paul, With the possibility of multiple circuits being used, all in a space like the kitchen should feed off the same bus-bar so that 240 volts cannot exist between any two circuits. Jim Dragoset -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:44 PM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven I am just about finished with wiring up my son's new home and I am in the kitchen now. I have run two dedicated 20 AMP GFIC circuits for the countertops and wall receptacles in the kitchen, I ran a dedicated 20 amp service for the dishwasher. I am wondering about the microwave oven, should I run a separate circuit for this or can I come off of a lighting circuit. I am not sure how much they pull but I am guessing around 12 to 15 amps which tells me it might need its own circuit. Let me hear from you electricians on this. Thanks. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 8 06:19:25 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 07:19:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & some Mt. iron References: <21.4083328f.2e1d7953@aol.com> Message-ID: I'll bet that was interesting..using a chain hoist,er falls..... horizontally. No Ron..you pulled it down the "Borrow Pit," not the ditch . A meadow is a park, a valley is a coulee or gulch. Had to learn English all over again when I moved to Montana. So Alec..why would you want a broken chain fall??? (initial post) Here's some pix's of Montana iron I took on the way to the Lewistown EDGE&TA show a couple weeks ago. Course Grandpa has to start out with a picture of his shy, bashful grandaughter...after that hit fwd or slideshow. Very cool 150 hp F-M, two lunger here gang....sweet stack music..would have liked to hear it work!!! The electric locomotive is in Harlowton, Mt. 3000 volts dc powered that baby. They were retired in 1974...some rectifier stations are still around. Why electric?? to hard to breathe in the numerous tunnels in the Rocky Mtn's, using steam. I learnt sometin there, never would have thot of that. http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/158662957jAGXFd ya'll take care RickinMt. > > Ask me how I know all this? I once pulled a Hudson Hornet a 1/4 block > down a > muddy ditch using a chainfall and a long cable. It took most of a Sunday > to > accomplish, but, I got the car out of the ditch without having to call for > help. From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Jul 7 20:06:29 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 23:06:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems Message-ID: <20040708.094446.1256.0.jlb94@juno.com> Well - - - I knew if I opened my mouth, you'd think I knew something. As for the Sony Vaio Laptop, I have no idea. Sorry, Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Thu Jul 8 07:03:11 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:03:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & some Mt. iron References: <21.4083328f.2e1d7953@aol.com> Message-ID: <105e01c464f4$4e30b7f0$0301a8c0@ALEC> So Alec..why would you want a broken chain fall??? (initial post) Rick, They are cheaper than working ones and its for decorative purposes, you know , "decor" sorta like having a nice looking cady in the yard , looks good but doesnt work!!!!!! Unless the casing is broke , they are not hard to fix . My dad found a 1ton one this week for 10 bucks, he liked it better than the one he has used at his house since 1969.Its a big mistake to change something that worked so well for so long, but I ended up buying his old one for 50 and that is fine by me. Still would like to find a couple more, they are getting very hard to find, a good working one, you know like a good maytag, hard to find. Tks Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Thu Jul 8 07:04:49 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:04:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: [SEL Little Wonder engines References: <200407072110.i67LAf4D013192@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <106801c464f4$887b5b40$0301a8c0@ALEC> Patrick, I am still waiting for pics, its a 3/4 hp and I believe horizontal, so I cant be sure, I am on vacation till the 18th so I hope to have more info by then. Tks for the picture. Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 7:43 AM Subject: [SEL] RE: [SEL Little Wonder engines > Hi Alec, > By Little Wonder are you referring to the engines made by Chicago > Flexible Shaft? These were sold as Stewart Little Wonder and Cooper, Stover > and probably others but were made by Chicago Flexible Shaft. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cammay04/04051625.JPG > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > -----Original Message----- > > > Did Little Wonder make there own engines or were they kits like Little > Stewart etc??? A fiend is being offered a 3/4 hp tank cooled engine for 3 K > and I told him I thought it was too much. Any help will be appreciated, > Tks Again > > Alec J. Stevens > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Jul 8 07:03:52 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:03:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <20040708.104423.1256.5.jlb94@juno.com> I'm Here - Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rholtzer at earthlink.net Thu Jul 8 08:15:34 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:15:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven In-Reply-To: <010301c4649d$d1b9bbf0$daf70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040708081106.00b95dc0@mail.earthlink.net> If you have room in the panel, I'd go for the circuit. Hard to have too many plugs in my view. Here in California there is no requirement for a dedicated microwave circuit to the best of my knowledge. Two countertop circuits (which can be 3 wire), dishwasher, disposal, and refrigerator are required. Of course there may be local jurisdiction requirements beyond national code. Bob Holtzer At 10:44 PM 7/7/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I am just about finished with wiring up my son's new home and I am in the >kitchen now. I have run two dedicated 20 AMP GFIC circuits for the >countertops and wall receptacles in the kitchen, I ran a dedicated 20 amp >service for the dishwasher. I am wondering about the microwave oven, should >I run a separate circuit for this or can I come off of a lighting circuit. I >am not sure how much they pull but I am guessing around 12 to 15 amps which >tells me it might need its own circuit. Let me hear from you electricians on >this. Thanks. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Jul 8 10:09:44 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 12:09:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven References: <010301c4649d$d1b9bbf0$daf70cd1@VAIO><00ba01c464a3$31734020$4c83fb40@3rbys01> <008301c464e8$d3b8f240$e3f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <002801c4650f$22dde9e0$4d83fb40@3rbys01> Paul you didn't ask this question, but you might want to install arc-fault interrupters in the box for sleeping room circuits. These are different from GFI circuits, they trip when a loose connection begins to arc. Think about it, most electrical fires start with an arc. I think the National Electrical Code mandated them in January of 2003 or 2004. In my neck of the woods, some of the licensed electricians look at you with a funny look when you mention them. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven > Thanks Gary, this has been the input I have been receiving so this is what I > am going to do. I appreciate your response. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Epps" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 11:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven > > > > Paul, > > > > I'm not a licensed electrician, but you should install a dedicated 20 Amp > > circuit (12/2 wire) for a microwave. While some small microwaves can > > operate on a 15 Amp circuit, you need to plan for the possibility that a > > larger microwave might be used in the future. > > > > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Jul 8 11:03:49 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:03:49 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems Message-ID: In a message dated 7/7/2004 7:41:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, diesel at easynet.co.uk writes: << Done any more to the web-site? >> Peter, No, I have not done much. Ken made a folder for me to send pictures to share with folks like the Economy drop frame yesterday. Guess I need more lessons from you on how to get the photos to a particular spot there, and then how to label them/descriptions, etc. When you have the time and feel like it let me know and I will see if I can learn. Been pretty hot here with humidity so makes it not so nice to work hard outside. Installed new French doors in the basement taking out an old set of aluminum sliding doors, then put in all new door knobs on outside doors keying all alike. Painted the new door/frame today. Always something to do with a home! Hope all is well with you folks. Tom From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu Jul 8 13:59:05 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 21:59:05 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Industrion 2004 Festival. References: <000701c46463$e47c0750$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <40EDB599.E1213D3@insulate.co.uk> Great pictures, John - Thank you! Dolly John Hammink wrote: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/industrion2004.htm -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Jul 8 14:25:15 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 22:25:15 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:03:49 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 7/7/2004 7:41:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >diesel at easynet.co.uk writes: > ><< Done any more to the web-site? >> > >Peter, > >No, I have not done much. Ken made a folder for me to send pictures to share >with folks like the Economy drop frame yesterday. Guess I need more lessons >from you on how to get the photos to a particular spot there, and then how to >label them/descriptions, etc. When you have the time and feel like it let me >know and I will see if I can learn. Can do, did you get the ftp program working OK ? you'll need that to send stuff out to the site. I thought you had that ready and working a while back. >Been pretty hot here with humidity so makes it not so nice to work hard >outside. Installed new French doors in the basement taking out an old set of >aluminum sliding doors, then put in all new door knobs on outside doors keying all >alike. Painted the new door/frame today. Always something to do with a home! Weather has been awful the past 24 hours, heavy storms coming up from northern Spain. Same maintenance jobs here, but we have a factory as well, and we are very busy right now with a 3-1/2 month order book. >Hope all is well with you folks. We are all fine, best to you all there, >Tom Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Jul 8 19:13:58 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:13:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Industrion 2004 Festival. In-Reply-To: <000701c46463$e47c0750$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <200407090213.i692DrEK028115@heavyiron.atis.net> Great pictures John of some very interesting engines. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi All, Put some images on the site of last weekend's engine festival held at Kerkrade. We had good weather and lots of engine fun in the Industrion Museum garden. Pictures can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/industrion2004.htm Enjoy it, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 8 09:00:46 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:00:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & some Mt. iron References: <21.4083328f.2e1d7953@aol.com> <105e01c464f4$4e30b7f0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: I see Alec...yea, think I'd stay with the older ones also. Was not impressed with Harbor Freights'...1 ton (?). Good Luck Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alec Stevens" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Chain Falls & some Mt. iron So Alec..why would you want a broken chain fall??? (initial post) Rick, They are cheaper than working ones and its for decorative purposes, you know , "decor" sorta like having a nice looking cady in the yard , looks good but doesnt work!!!!!! Unless the casing is broke , they are not hard to fix . My dad found a 1ton one this week for 10 bucks, he liked it better than the one he has used at his house since 1969.Its a big mistake to change something that worked so well for so long, but I ended up buying his old one for 50 and that is fine by me. Still would like to find a couple more, they are getting very hard to find, a good working one, you know like a good maytag, hard to find. Tks Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jul 9 05:59:24 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 08:59:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? Message-ID: <40EE96AC.1010404@imc-group.com> Guys, Have a question for you. What exactly defines an engine as a oil field engine? -It's not the number of cycles.....I've seen a few (very few though) 4 cycle oil field engines. -It's not the HP.....I've seen oilfield engines in the 4HP range. -Some have side shafts and some don't...... -Some have hot tube and some are mag fired..... Is it the NG fuel use? (Did any OF engines use a fuel other than NG?) Is it simply that it was marketed for use only as an oil pumper? Looking forward to your thoughts.... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From glenn.karch at gte.net Fri Jul 9 07:48:07 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:48:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? References: <40EE96AC.1010404@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002f01c465c3$c1ffa040$3b29ea41@oemcomputer> Curt, I would define an oil field engine as one that was used in the oil fields for some purpose or another. I have 2 HP upright Famous that came from the oil fileld and it was rigged to run on NG and also rigged to use one of those big Wico magnetos. I also have a 6 HP Foos that was also rigged up the same way. There was an ordinary F-M hopper cooled Z rigged up the same way. I took them right out of the oil field junk yard along with many other oil field artifacts including a 25 HP superior, two 12" 35 HP Superior pistons, big Wico magnetos, misc parts, etc. We think of Bessmers, Reids, etc as being oil field engines, but I am sure they were also used in some non oil filed situations. Define a feed mill or a cotton gin engine Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "SEL(new)" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 7:59 AM Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? > Guys, > Have a question for you. What exactly defines an engine as a oil field > engine? > -It's not the number of cycles.....I've seen a few (very few though) 4 > cycle oil field engines. > -It's not the HP.....I've seen oilfield engines in the 4HP range. > -Some have side shafts and some don't...... > -Some have hot tube and some are mag fired..... > > Is it the NG fuel use? (Did any OF engines use a fuel other than NG?) > Is it simply that it was marketed for use only as an oil pumper? > > Looking forward to your thoughts.... > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Jdragoset at galvotec.com Fri Jul 9 08:41:42 2004 From: Jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:41:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? In-Reply-To: <40EE96AC.1010404@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Curt, I would think that the term implies the engine is intended to run 24/7 in a mostly untended condition. Jim Dragoset -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Curt Holland Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 7:59 AM To: SEL(new) Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? Guys, Have a question for you. What exactly defines an engine as a oil field engine? -It's not the number of cycles.....I've seen a few (very few though) 4 cycle oil field engines. -It's not the HP.....I've seen oilfield engines in the 4HP range. -Some have side shafts and some don't...... -Some have hot tube and some are mag fired..... Is it the NG fuel use? (Did any OF engines use a fuel other than NG?) Is it simply that it was marketed for use only as an oil pumper? Looking forward to your thoughts.... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Jul 9 09:01:18 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:01:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? References: <40EE96AC.1010404@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <06cf01c465cd$f88d7e20$0400a8c0@Dave> If an owner tells you that his engine is "an oilfield engine" then it is so. Who are you (or I) to challenge the owners culture and parentage? This is (particularly) true if the owner is a black man who is also a democrat! Dave PS, This is a GREAT thread for Dolly's GEM column! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "SEL(new)" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 8:59 AM Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? > Guys, > Have a question for you. What exactly defines an engine as a oil field > engine? > -It's not the number of cycles.....I've seen a few (very few though) 4 > cycle oil field engines. > -It's not the HP.....I've seen oilfield engines in the 4HP range. > -Some have side shafts and some don't...... > -Some have hot tube and some are mag fired..... > > Is it the NG fuel use? (Did any OF engines use a fuel other than NG?) > Is it simply that it was marketed for use only as an oil pumper? > > Looking forward to your thoughts.... > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jul 9 09:10:20 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 12:10:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? References: <40EE96AC.1010404@imc-group.com> <002f01c465c3$c1ffa040$3b29ea41@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <40EEC36C.6080308@imc-group.com> Glenn, Like the Famous and the Foos you mention, I have seen Witte's on pumpers. I don't think of a Witte as an oilfiled engine either. There are a handful of engines we just naturally think of as oilfield engines. Maybe it is simply that these are the engines that were marketed exclusively(?) thru the oilfield supply catalogs. There are engines like the Spence that Tom posted yesterday on OFES that leave no doubt it is an oilfiled engine because of the heavy back gearing and crankarms built into the subbase of the engine. Certainly companies like Fairbanks marketed their engines to both the farm and oilfield segments. Did companies like Famous and Hercules make an effort to do so? I've never seen anything in their literature to indicate this.... Curt Glenn A Karch wrote: >Curt, > >I would define an oil field engine as one that was used in the oil fields >for some purpose or another. I have 2 HP upright Famous that came from the >oil fileld and it was rigged to run on NG and also rigged to use one of >those big Wico magnetos. I also have a 6 HP Foos that was also rigged up >the same way. There was an ordinary F-M hopper cooled Z rigged up the same >way. I took them right out of the oil field junk yard along with many other >oil field artifacts including a 25 HP superior, two 12" 35 HP Superior >pistons, big Wico magnetos, misc parts, etc. > >We think of Bessmers, Reids, etc as being oil field engines, but I am sure >they were also used in some non oil filed situations. > >Define a feed mill or a cotton gin engine > >Glenn > >Glenn Karch >Haubstadt, IN, USA >Hercules Historian >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Curt Holland" >To: "SEL(new)" >Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 7:59 AM >Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? > > > > >>Guys, >>Have a question for you. What exactly defines an engine as a oil field >>engine? >>-It's not the number of cycles.....I've seen a few (very few though) 4 >>cycle oil field engines. >>-It's not the HP.....I've seen oilfield engines in the 4HP range. >>-Some have side shafts and some don't...... >>-Some have hot tube and some are mag fired..... >> >>Is it the NG fuel use? (Did any OF engines use a fuel other than NG?) >>Is it simply that it was marketed for use only as an oil pumper? >> >>Looking forward to your thoughts.... >>Curt Holland >>Gastonia, NC >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jul 9 09:21:22 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 12:21:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? References: Message-ID: <40EEC602.5000303@imc-group.com> Excellent point Jim! The Fairbanks engines with the self contained radiators fall right into that category. Curt Jim Dragoset wrote: >Curt, >I would think that the term implies the engine is intended to run 24/7 in a >mostly >untended condition. >Jim Dragoset > > > From don.h at wcoil.com Fri Jul 9 09:39:54 2004 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:39:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? References: <40EE96AC.1010404@imc-group.com> <002f01c465c3$c1ffa040$3b29ea41@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000501c465d3$5d881240$6401a8c0@shop> My OIL FIELD ENGINE was used in the oil fields to run a washer its called a MAYTAG Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn A Karch" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? > Curt, > > I would define an oil field engine as one that was used in the oil fields > for some purpose or another. I have 2 HP upright Famous that came from the > oil fileld and it was rigged to run on NG and also rigged to use one of > those big Wico magnetos. I also have a 6 HP Foos that was also rigged up > the same way. There was an ordinary F-M hopper cooled Z rigged up the same > way. I took them right out of the oil field junk yard along with many other > oil field artifacts including a 25 HP superior, two 12" 35 HP Superior > pistons, big Wico magnetos, misc parts, etc. > > We think of Bessmers, Reids, etc as being oil field engines, but I am sure > they were also used in some non oil filed situations. > > Define a feed mill or a cotton gin engine > > Glenn > > Glenn Karch > Haubstadt, IN, USA > Hercules Historian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt Holland" > To: "SEL(new)" > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 7:59 AM > Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? > > > > Guys, > > Have a question for you. What exactly defines an engine as a oil field > > engine? > > -It's not the number of cycles.....I've seen a few (very few though) 4 > > cycle oil field engines. > > -It's not the HP.....I've seen oilfield engines in the 4HP range. > > -Some have side shafts and some don't...... > > -Some have hot tube and some are mag fired..... > > > > Is it the NG fuel use? (Did any OF engines use a fuel other than NG?) > > Is it simply that it was marketed for use only as an oil pumper? > > > > Looking forward to your thoughts.... > > Curt Holland > > Gastonia, NC > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From kerogas at the-i.net Fri Jul 9 11:44:06 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:44:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? References: <40EE96AC.1010404@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003201c465e4$b7f5baa0$07905841@oemcomputer> If it can pull a power Id say you're in by the narrowist definition When someone says they collect oilfield engines you know he doesnt mean "those little things " . From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jul 9 11:50:18 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? In-Reply-To: <40EEC36C.6080308@imc-group.com> References: <40EE96AC.1010404@imc-group.com> <002f01c465c3$c1ffa040$3b29ea41@oemcomputer> <40EEC36C.6080308@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, While Novo didn't specifically market the Novo "S" engine as an "oilfield engine", Novo did offer these engines with optional gas mixers and gasometers that would allow them to be run on well head gas. They also had substantial factory back-gearing as an option that facilitated use on pump & winch applications. However, the Oil Well Supply Company certainly did offer pumping rigs based on the Novo "S" engines. I copied several pages from an OWS catalog that shows three different styles of pump jack equipped with a Novo "S" engine in the range of 4-10 hp. Refer to: http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Nova_S_misc.pdf They also point out that the outfit can be equipped with a winch for pulling rods or tubing. So add the trusty and ever popular Novo "S" to the list of "oilfield engines." See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Curt Holland wrote: > Like the Famous and the Foos you mention, I have seen Witte's on > pumpers. I don't think of a Witte as an oilfiled engine either. > There are a handful of engines we just naturally think of as oilfield > engines. > Maybe it is simply that these are the engines that were marketed > exclusively(?) thru the oilfield supply catalogs. > There are engines like the Spence that Tom posted yesterday on OFES that > leave no doubt it is an oilfiled engine because of the heavy back > gearing and crankarms built into the subbase of the engine. > Certainly companies like Fairbanks marketed their engines to both the > farm and oilfield segments. Did companies like Famous and Hercules make > an effort to do so? I've never seen anything in their literature to > indicate this.... From diesel at easynet.co.uk Fri Jul 9 12:12:59 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 20:12:59 +0100 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? In-Reply-To: References: <40EE96AC.1010404@imc-group.com> <002f01c465c3$c1ffa040$3b29ea41@oemcomputer> <40EEC36C.6080308@imc-group.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:50:18 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Hi Curt, > >While Novo didn't specifically market the Novo "S" engine as an "oilfield >engine", Novo did offer these engines with optional gas mixers >and gasometers that would allow them to be run on well head gas. They >also had substantial factory back-gearing as an option that facilitated >use on pump & winch applications. > >However, the Oil Well Supply Company certainly did offer pumping rigs >based on the Novo "S" engines. > >I copied several pages from an OWS catalog that shows three different >styles of pump jack equipped with a Novo "S" engine in the range of 4-10 >hp. Refer to: http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Nova_S_misc.pdf >They also point out that the outfit can be equipped with a winch for >pulling rods or tubing. > >So add the trusty and ever popular Novo "S" to the list of "oilfield >engines." > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero Nordberg also made engine sets for oil well pumping duty, we have a bunch of pic's of them on our webpages somewhere... http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nordberg/Nordberg1.htm Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jul 9 13:06:05 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 16:06:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? References: <40EE96AC.1010404@imc-group.com> <002f01c465c3$c1ffa040$3b29ea41@oemcomputer> <40EEC36C.6080308@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <40EEFAAD.5050804@imc-group.com> Arnie, Nice post from the Oil Well Supply Catalog! Would this kind of pump (Barnes) have been used to pump oil from a holding tank (being filled by several wells being run on a power) to a nearby rail car? When Keith took us to the oil lease in Ill. I believe it was described to us that way. The transfer pump was no longer there because today they pumped out of the holding tank into over the road tankers. But the foundation for the old transfer pump was still there. Curt Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Curt, > >While Novo didn't specifically market the Novo "S" engine as an "oilfield >engine", Novo did offer these engines with optional gas mixers >and gasometers that would allow them to be run on well head gas. They >also had substantial factory back-gearing as an option that facilitated >use on pump & winch applications. > >However, the Oil Well Supply Company certainly did offer pumping rigs >based on the Novo "S" engines. > >I copied several pages from an OWS catalog that shows three different >styles of pump jack equipped with a Novo "S" engine in the range of 4-10 >hp. Refer to: http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Nova_S_misc.pdf >They also point out that the outfit can be equipped with a winch for >pulling rods or tubing. > >So add the trusty and ever popular Novo "S" to the list of "oilfield >engines." > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA > >On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Curt Holland wrote: > > > >>Like the Famous and the Foos you mention, I have seen Witte's on >>pumpers. I don't think of a Witte as an oilfiled engine either. >>There are a handful of engines we just naturally think of as oilfield >>engines. >>Maybe it is simply that these are the engines that were marketed >>exclusively(?) thru the oilfield supply catalogs. >>There are engines like the Spence that Tom posted yesterday on OFES that >>leave no doubt it is an oilfiled engine because of the heavy back >>gearing and crankarms built into the subbase of the engine. >>Certainly companies like Fairbanks marketed their engines to both the >>farm and oilfield segments. Did companies like Famous and Hercules make >>an effort to do so? I've never seen anything in their literature to >>indicate this.... >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From ivancou at usachoice.net Fri Jul 9 16:31:37 2004 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:31:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help to Portland References: <013b01c46239$56bb4d30$d3f70cd1@VAIO><000701c462f5$a88dee80$ea83fea9@y0y2a7><002501c462fc$f8bf1710$d4f70cd1@VAIO><000301c463c4$6e5f5da0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> <052b01c463cd$587c1970$d0f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <002901c4660c$e699db20$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Paul , just got back from out of town .Wife and I were talking about it so I looked it up to see how far it is from me . Would be a 16 hr drive rt . I'll try again , Ivan From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Fri Jul 9 17:02:40 2004 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 17:02:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'd say Jim pretty much hit the nail on the head. We had two 'oilfield engines' on our lease (Murphy Coyote http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?t=1&s=13&x=256&y=2344&z=11&w=1) They were both inline 6's, ran off the gas we produced on the hill, and had a typical radiator that was self filling, similar to toilet internals using a ballcock. Wish now that I had taken pictures, but those engines weren't all that exciting to me back then. Something else to consider, the gas engines that worked pumping units are for shallow wells. They just don't have the oomph needed for deep wells. For some pics of the lease I operated on in So Kal, go to http://homepage.mac.com/kelleygarcia/Chevron/PhotoAlbum4.html -- Kelley Garcia La Habra, Ka. USA On 7/9/04 8:41 AM, "Jim Dragoset" wrote: > Curt, > I would think that the term implies the engine is intended to run 24/7 in a > mostly > untended condition. > Jim Dragoset > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Curt > Holland > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 7:59 AM > To: SEL(new) > Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? > > > Guys, > Have a question for you. What exactly defines an engine as a oil field > engine? > -It's not the number of cycles.....I've seen a few (very few though) 4 > cycle oil field engines. > -It's not the HP.....I've seen oilfield engines in the 4HP range. > -Some have side shafts and some don't...... > -Some have hot tube and some are mag fired..... > > Is it the NG fuel use? (Did any OF engines use a fuel other than NG?) > Is it simply that it was marketed for use only as an oil pumper? > > Looking forward to your thoughts.... > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > From yostsw at atis.net Fri Jul 9 19:31:06 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 22:31:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Auction Proceeds References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200> <200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200> <200406231816100593.1B13A373@192.168.2.200> <200406241145380078.1ED4722F@192.168.2.200> <200406241734500359.201437E1@192.168.2.200> <200407061438370953.14B4E57A@192.168.2.200> Message-ID: <200407092231060171.026123B2@192.168.2.200> Just wanted to give everyone an accounting of the charity auction votes and proceeds. Sorry this is so late, but a lot was packed up during the sales of my business and it took me a few weeks to find it and get everything organized and money sent out. Also, this was this worst year for dead bids, "lost" checks, broken items, etc. It took 4 months just to get a 75% collection rate. The overwhelming favorites were ALS and Military Family Relief organizations. Therefore, these two organizations merited %20 of the proceeds each. I used %5 of my choice to our church's mission trip for the youth group and Dave Rotigel ear-marked his for the Urban Education Scholarship Endowment at Indiana University of Pennsylvania. I was going to use my 5% for Scott Satturlund Memorial Cancer Fund. but I used it to refund the money on the broken "Lavender Lady". There is a $150 "mystery donation" coming in from a subscriber so I am going to go ahead and write a $200 check to this fund and mail it tomorrow. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------- Disbursements: $800 ALS (Lou Gehrig's disease) Association. In memory of Bernie Hartman $800 Miltary Family Relief. Consisted of: $400 Navy and Marines Corps Relief Society $200 Air Force Assistance Fund $200 Army Emergency Relief $400 Wisconsin Historical Society (Keeper of the IHC Archives) $400 Internal Fire, Museum of Power $400 Urban Education Scholarship Endowment Fund (Dave Rotigel Choice) $200 Brookstown United Methodist Church Youth Mission Trip (my choice) $400 Tod Engine Project $400 Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation International $168 Refund to Dave DiRuscio for Laveder Lady Engine that arrived broken. --------------- $3968 $84.02 Amount in Checking -------------- $4052.02 ======== Income: $2500 - Summer 2003 Portland Charity Auction(The amount was actually $2400 plus some change but Dave Rotigel rounded up to $2500) $1557 - Christmas Charity Auction (Bids of $2054 but only collected $1557. This was the worst year ever for dead bids, broken items and "lost" and bad checks!!!) ------------- $4039.52 $ 13 Deposit by Spencer last summer to keep minimum balance ------------- $4052.02 ======= Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Jul 9 20:16:00 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 23:16:00 EDT Subject: [SEL] Auction Proceeds Message-ID: <6d.2def6c8d.2e20b970@aol.com> Spencer, Thanks for the up date. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From glenn.karch at gte.net Fri Jul 9 20:54:56 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:54:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? References: <40EE96AC.1010404@imc-group.com><002f01c465c3$c1ffa040$3b29ea41@oemcomputer> <40EEC36C.6080308@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003d01c46631$ac3c9a60$9e29ea41@oemcomputer> Curt, Hercules made engines that had a mixer that would allow it to run on gasoline, NG and producer gas. These are most often found in the eastern oil field areas. The Parkersburg Machine Co sold the equivalent of a model T thermoil. They also made a NG mixer for the throttling governed Hercules engines. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? > Glenn, > Like the Famous and the Foos you mention, I have seen Witte's on > pumpers. I don't think of a Witte as an oilfiled engine either. > There are a handful of engines we just naturally think of as oilfield > engines. > Maybe it is simply that these are the engines that were marketed > exclusively(?) thru the oilfield supply catalogs. > There are engines like the Spence that Tom posted yesterday on OFES that > leave no doubt it is an oilfiled engine because of the heavy back > gearing and crankarms built into the subbase of the engine. > Certainly companies like Fairbanks marketed their engines to both the > farm and oilfield segments. Did companies like Famous and Hercules make > an effort to do so? I've never seen anything in their literature to > indicate this.... > Curt > > Glenn A Karch wrote: > > >Curt, > > > >I would define an oil field engine as one that was used in the oil fields > >for some purpose or another. I have 2 HP upright Famous that came from the > >oil fileld and it was rigged to run on NG and also rigged to use one of > >those big Wico magnetos. I also have a 6 HP Foos that was also rigged up > >the same way. There was an ordinary F-M hopper cooled Z rigged up the same > >way. I took them right out of the oil field junk yard along with many other > >oil field artifacts including a 25 HP superior, two 12" 35 HP Superior > >pistons, big Wico magnetos, misc parts, etc. > > > >We think of Bessmers, Reids, etc as being oil field engines, but I am sure > >they were also used in some non oil filed situations. > > > >Define a feed mill or a cotton gin engine > > > >Glenn > > > >Glenn Karch > >Haubstadt, IN, USA > >Hercules Historian > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Curt Holland" > >To: "SEL(new)" > >Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 7:59 AM > >Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? > > > > > > > > > >>Guys, > >>Have a question for you. What exactly defines an engine as a oil field > >>engine? > >>-It's not the number of cycles.....I've seen a few (very few though) 4 > >>cycle oil field engines. > >>-It's not the HP.....I've seen oilfield engines in the 4HP range. > >>-Some have side shafts and some don't...... > >>-Some have hot tube and some are mag fired..... > >> > >>Is it the NG fuel use? (Did any OF engines use a fuel other than NG?) > >>Is it simply that it was marketed for use only as an oil pumper? > >> > >>Looking forward to your thoughts.... > >>Curt Holland > >>Gastonia, NC > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 9 21:47:14 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 23:47:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Ted Brookover's E-mail Address Message-ID: <028701c46638$fc7d2c40$e3f70cd1@VAIO> Ted if you are lurking I need your e-mail address and if Ted is not lurking I would appreciate someone sending it to me. Thanks, Paul From jlb94 at juno.com Sat Jul 10 11:15:00 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:15:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Ted Brookover's E-mail Address Message-ID: <20040710.141514.608.0.jlb94@juno.com> Here's what I have Paul, ignitors at earthlink.net From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Jul 10 11:17:04 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:17:04 EDT Subject: [SEL] Need Ted Brookover's E-mail Address Message-ID: In a message dated 7/10/2004 12:50:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pmaples at anaxis.net writes: << Ted if you are lurking I need your e-mail address and if Ted is not lurking I would appreciate someone sending it to me. >> Paul, This is the last address i had for Ted: ignitors at sbcglobal.net Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sat Jul 10 13:38:54 2004 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:38:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] portland camping? Message-ID: <000901c466bd$eb6603c0$24b74004@dslverizon.net> Who is running the camping at portland this year? Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA, U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net From oldengin at udata.com Sat Jul 10 17:04:10 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 20:04:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] portland camping? In-Reply-To: <000901c466bd$eb6603c0$24b74004@dslverizon.net> References: <000901c466bd$eb6603c0$24b74004@dslverizon.net> Message-ID: <40F083FA.4080701@udata.com> Jim and Diane wrote: >Who is running the camping at portland this year? > > > Gday Well for the past few years it seems like me and Bill Pfeiffer Jr. have been holding down the forts.... I was thinking just today that maybe it was time to start asking if any one wants or needs camping space in Portland? The area that I have been camping at is next to the river and close to the bathroom facilities. This camp site, on Minneapolis Moline Drive, does have electric but is a good walk to the exhibit area. Portland does have a trolley service which will haul you to gate of the fairgrounds. Portland last year also implemented a 5.00 camping fee for exhibitors, 25.00 PER DAY for non exhibitors. I know of one other fellow that wants a camping space saved for him at this time, so that makes 3! See my old friend from Kansas, 81 now, will be camping beside of me..... And be sure to bring an engin to exhibit! -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Jul 10 21:47:27 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 21:47:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <200407110448.i6B4lagu003416@heavyiron.atis.net> Hi, I'm trying to help a friend identify an engine. It has the name "Dairy Maid" on the hopper that resembles a Waterloo except the igniter mounting boss is diamond shaped instead of round . Dose anyone have a similar engine or know its origin? Thanks for any help. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato,Ca Jim O'Hagan From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 10 23:28:37 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 01:28:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Ted Brookover's E-mail Address References: <20040710.141514.608.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <00e601c46711$dab9a140$e9f70cd1@VAIO> Thanks. It is now 1:30 AM in the morning and I just got my computer back on line after doing a full system recovery. Everything is once again working and I hope it will stay this way. This is why I am so late in responding to your message. Thanks for giving me Ted's e-mail address. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Ted Brookover's E-mail Address > Here's what I have Paul, > > > > ignitors at earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 10 23:28:56 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 01:28:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Ted Brookover's E-mail Address References: Message-ID: <00e701c46711$db231170$e9f70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Tom, I appreciate it. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Ted Brookover's E-mail Address > In a message dated 7/10/2004 12:50:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > pmaples at anaxis.net writes: > > << Ted if you are lurking I need your e-mail address and if Ted is not lurking > I would appreciate someone sending it to me. >> > Paul, > > This is the last address i had for Ted: ignitors at sbcglobal.net > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From zobel at earthvision.asu.edu Sat Jul 10 23:55:04 2004 From: zobel at earthvision.asu.edu (zobel) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 23:55:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Associated Fuel Tank Mount Message-ID: I have an Associated 2 1/2 Hp hopper cooled engine. Finally got it running. The only thing left to sort out is the box that holds the fuel tank at the mixer height. Does anybody know of any plans for this box? I'd like to know what the proper joinery is. There are pictures of it in the book I bought about Associated Engines but they are a little vague. Thanks for any help. From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 10 23:59:07 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 01:59:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problem Solved - I hope! Message-ID: <010301c46714$91d6b230$e9f70cd1@VAIO> Well folks after trying everything everyone suggested and nothing working I did a complete System Recovery starting early Saturday afternoon. It is now 1:55 AM Sunday morning and I just finished getting all of the Norton and Windows updates loaded and I am now back on line and everything seems to be working great. No more disconnecting and things are running great for the Dial Up connection that I have. I can only surmise that somehow some file must have gotten corrupted or I lost a file or something as there was no virus's on the computer. I once again need the Outlook Express information for downloading the file I need to get "Spell Check" working so I am hoping that once again someone will still have the copy of the e-mail that gave the instructions for fixing the "Spell Check" issue with Outlook Express. I am going to close for now and body slam the bed as I am exhausted. This will be the last time I ever do a System Recovery with Dial Up, I am going to DSL, it has taken me eight hours to complete this System Recovery using Dial Up. Good Night Folks, Paul From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Jul 10 16:39:01 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 09:39:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] portland camping? References: <000901c466bd$eb6603c0$24b74004@dslverizon.net> Message-ID: <007c01c46722$bebfb400$770d1bd3@athlon> Dunno but, sadly, I wont be there to check it out. (Sob) Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Diane" To: Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:38 AM Subject: [SEL] portland camping? > Who is running the camping at portland this year? > > Jim > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Jul 11 01:58:53 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 09:58:53 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problem Solved - I hope! In-Reply-To: <010301c46714$91d6b230$e9f70cd1@VAIO> References: <010301c46714$91d6b230$e9f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 01:59:07 -0500, you wrote: > >I am going to close for now and body slam the bed as I am exhausted. This >will be the last time I ever do a System Recovery with Dial Up, I am going >to DSL, it has taken me eight hours to complete this System Recovery using >Dial Up. > >Good Night Folks, > >Paul An epic tale indeed, but surely Paul's tale is not typical for others, and there is some reason for the failure/problems? We have had the occasional glitch, but nothing as bad as what Paul has been describing, and we operate many more machines than he does, with a mixture of DSL and dial-up connections. One thing we have kept consistently to on ALL machines is Windows2000Pro, Microsoft automatic updates, Zone-Alarm Pro firewall and Norton AV. I personally don't reckon much on XP as an Operating System, seeing a lot of compatibility issues on the newsgroups. We find that Win2kPro is much better supported on the hardware side. Just to give a quick example of that, we have one machine we run DOS CAD programmes on, and that uses a 1991 Orchid ProDesigner II graphics card with 1meg of memory only. That runs perfectly well in Windows with no problems at all, while some of the newer cards have all sorts of speed and memory hassles. Just a few thoughts from the UK. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Jul 11 04:38:45 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 07:38:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] portland camping? References: <000901c466bd$eb6603c0$24b74004@dslverizon.net> <007c01c46722$bebfb400$770d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <089f01c4673b$a05a4b60$0400a8c0@Dave> Hi Reg, Will you please appoint me to give the "Traditional Australian Greeting" to the waitresses at the Back 40? Dave Dunno but, sadly, I wont be there to check it out. (Sob) > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim and Diane" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:38 AM > Subject: [SEL] portland camping? > > > > Who is running the camping at portland this year? > > > > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Jul 11 06:10:31 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 09:10:31 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problem Solved - I hope! Message-ID: In a message dated 7/11/2004 3:08:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pmaples at anaxis.net writes: << I did a complete System Recovery starting early Saturday afternoon >> Paul, Hope that things continue to work correctly and I hope I never have to do a system recovery as you have done. I would not even know where to begin. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From pmaples at anaxis.net Sun Jul 11 07:13:14 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 09:13:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] portland camping? References: <000901c466bd$eb6603c0$24b74004@dslverizon.net> <007c01c46722$bebfb400$770d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <002201c46751$36ce5400$ebf70cd1@VAIO> Reg we are going to miss you at Portland, it just want be the same without you. Come on, sell one of those models and get you an airline ticket, there is still pleanty of time. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] portland camping? > Dunno but, sadly, I wont be there to check it out. (Sob) > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim and Diane" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:38 AM > Subject: [SEL] portland camping? > > > > Who is running the camping at portland this year? > > > > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sun Jul 11 07:20:05 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 09:20:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problem Solved - I hope! References: Message-ID: <005601c46752$2bba5ef0$ebf70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Tom for the kind words, she is running fine this morning and I hope it continues to do so as I am too old to have to deal with things like this. This took an additional two years off of my life...........at least. I am calling first thing tomorrow and getting DSL which would have cut my install time in half over this slow Dial Up service I have now. Have A Great Day!! Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problem Solved - I hope! > In a message dated 7/11/2004 3:08:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > pmaples at anaxis.net writes: > > << I > did a complete System Recovery starting early Saturday afternoon >> > > > Paul, > > Hope that things continue to work correctly and I hope I never have to do a > system recovery as you have done. I would not even know where to begin. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Jul 11 09:05:08 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 12:05:08 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problem Solved - I hope! Message-ID: In a message dated 7/11/2004 10:37:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pmaples at anaxis.net writes: << I am calling first thing tomorrow and getting DSL which would have cut my install time in half over this slow Dial Up service I have now. >> Paul, DSL will probably be 10 years before it comes to the rural America where I live. Connecting at 44 to 48 K on my old country line now. Slow compared to most now a days. Tom From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Jul 11 12:10:37 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 15:10:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland In-Reply-To: <089f01c4673b$a05a4b60$0400a8c0@Dave> References: <000901c466bd$eb6603c0$24b74004@dslverizon.net> <007c01c46722$bebfb400$770d1bd3@athlon> <089f01c4673b$a05a4b60$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: Well, being in a short-term cash flow bind after buying and renovating a house that the kids are now living in, having a bunch of recent unexpected vehicle repair and medical expenses, etc., I told Jane I'd skip Portland this year. I was sad to do so, of course, but Jane suggested I could "reward myself" by buying another old cheapo military surplus firearm, which eases the pain a bit. What surprised me was how hard Jennifer and Josh took the news that we weren't going. They really enjoyed being there and getting to know everybody last year. Jenn's really pushing to go up there for one day, going in as spectators and just visiting around with everybody before going back. Haven't yet cancelled the motel reservation in Muncie, so we just might yet do that. Jenn'll probably settle down when she hears Reg isn't coming, though. She was really looking forward to seeing him again. BTW, I've got a nice one-owner 1985 Harley FLTC Tour Glide with lots of extras for sale, priced quite reasonably. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Jul 11 12:33:03 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (dave croft) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 20:33:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Unknown engine Message-ID: <000501c4677d$eeef7560$06856ad5@one> This engine was shown at Burford show in the UK this weekend. http://community.webshots.com/photo/26047737/161954358tcwbaz The photographer has lost his notes & I would love to know the name of this little Engine/Compressor unit. It doesn't look English to me. Does anyone recognise it please?. Dave Croft Warrington England http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv British Map http://pub32.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=2692147218 World Map http://pub13.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=1064374771 From don.h at wcoil.com Sun Jul 11 12:40:11 2004 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 15:40:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] shame on you??? References: <000901c466bd$eb6603c0$24b74004@dslverizon.net><007c01c46722$bebfb400$770d1bd3@athlon><089f01c4673b$a05a4b60$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <000501c4677e$e1acb970$6401a8c0@shop> Sorry Dr your not going to portland I,m no going eather just cant do the walking any more Sorry you got the hog for sale, Me to so if you need something faster i have a mint v-rod for sale 4700 miles 2002 with all new red flames paint. Even thinking of selling my big engines 3hp John deer and my 1 1/2 ih few other things I just cant load them up and unload by myself any more gonna think smaller engines hi hi nice seeing ya in print here thought maybee you got so caught up in the music field you might have reverted back to rock and roll Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland > Well, being in a short-term cash flow bind after buying and renovating > a house that the kids are now living in, having a bunch of recent > unexpected vehicle repair and medical expenses, etc., I told Jane I'd > skip Portland this year. I was sad to do so, of course, but Jane > suggested I could "reward myself" by buying another old cheapo military > surplus firearm, which eases the pain a bit. What surprised me was how > hard Jennifer and Josh took the news that we weren't going. They really > enjoyed being there and getting to know everybody last year. Jenn's > really pushing to go up there for one day, going in as spectators and > just visiting around with everybody before going back. Haven't yet > cancelled the motel reservation in Muncie, so we just might yet do > that. Jenn'll probably settle down when she hears Reg isn't coming, > though. She was really looking forward to seeing him again. > > BTW, I've got a nice one-owner 1985 Harley FLTC Tour Glide with lots of > extras for sale, priced quite reasonably. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sun Jul 11 15:23:38 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 17:23:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Spell Checker Message-ID: <005a01c46795$b8c40a60$d7f70cd1@VAIO> Ok gang here we go again. I dumped my hard drive and competed a System Recovery on my pc and as usual the spell checker does not work in Outlook Express. I need someone to send back to me the message I sent out sometime ago that had the instructions for downloading a certain file and then copying it back into the right folder which then turns the spell checker on. Thanks for the help, this computer is draining the life right out of me. Paul From don.h at wcoil.com Sun Jul 11 15:59:28 2004 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 18:59:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Spell Checker References: <005a01c46795$b8c40a60$d7f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <000501c4679a$b8a3bee0$6401a8c0@shop> How to fix spell check in Outlook Express 6 If you are running Windows XP and are also using Microsoft Office 97, you may find that spell checking does not work in Outlook Express 6.0. When you try to spell check a message, you receive the message "an error occurred whilst the spelling was being checked". The cause of this problem is a missing file which Outlook Express requires. Solution: Obtain a copy of the file csapi3t1.dll and place it in the folder "Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Proof". Copies of this file may be extracted from the file mailnews.cab in an Internet Explorer 5.0 or 5.5 distribution set, the file win98_27.cab on a Windows 98 CD, or the file Win_10.cab on a Windows Me CD. A copy may also be downloaded by clicking on this link which will download from the site listed below. Note: the spell checker will only work if you have a recent version of Microsoft Office. You didn't really expect Microsoft to support spell checkers in competitors' Office packages, did you? This tip was taken from: http://www.tech-pro.co.uk/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:23 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Spell Checker > Ok gang here we go again. I dumped my hard drive and competed a System > Recovery on my pc and as usual the spell checker does not work in Outlook > Express. I need someone to send back to me the message I sent out sometime > ago that had the instructions for downloading a certain file and then > copying it back into the right folder which then turns the spell checker on. > Thanks for the help, this computer is draining the life right out of me. > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From don.h at wcoil.com Sun Jul 11 16:00:50 2004 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 19:00:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Spell Checker References: <005a01c46795$b8c40a60$d7f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <000901c4679a$e92224d0$6401a8c0@shop> Hope the file I sent you will help?? Dont no what system your useing???? Just serch on Outlook express in your broser ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:23 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Spell Checker > Ok gang here we go again. I dumped my hard drive and competed a System > Recovery on my pc and as usual the spell checker does not work in Outlook > Express. I need someone to send back to me the message I sent out sometime > ago that had the instructions for downloading a certain file and then > copying it back into the right folder which then turns the spell checker on. > Thanks for the help, this computer is draining the life right out of me. > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From driggars at earthlink.net Sun Jul 11 16:41:44 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 18:41:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Spell Checker References: <005a01c46795$b8c40a60$d7f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <01f301c467a0$a0940520$d8a3e104@clinton> Paul is this the link you are looking for? http://www.iespell.com/ Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 5:23 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Spell Checker > Ok gang here we go again. I dumped my hard drive and competed a System > Recovery on my pc and as usual the spell checker does not work in Outlook > Express. I need someone to send back to me the message I sent out sometime > ago that had the instructions for downloading a certain file and then > copying it back into the right folder which then turns the spell checker on. > Thanks for the help, this computer is draining the life right out of me. > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pmaples at anaxis.net Sun Jul 11 18:35:31 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 20:35:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Spell Checker References: <005a01c46795$b8c40a60$d7f70cd1@VAIO> <01f301c467a0$a0940520$d8a3e104@clinton> Message-ID: <005501c467b0$a034dae0$eaf70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Clint for responding. Larry Evans and Don had responded off list and gave me the link which is this one http://www.theeldergeek.com/oe_spellcheck.htm. I now have it up and running. Thanks to all who responded, I appreciate all of you. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Spell Checker > Paul > > is this the link you are looking for? > http://www.iespell.com/ > > Clint > > From driggars at earthlink.net Mon Jul 12 00:51:29 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 02:51:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Spell Checker References: <005a01c46795$b8c40a60$d7f70cd1@VAIO><01f301c467a0$a0940520$d8a3e104@clinton> <005501c467b0$a034dae0$eaf70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <006701c467e5$0b74eb40$0d18e204@clinton> Paul Is the below link a spell check program? to use in place of office 97, etc? Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Spell Checker > Thanks Clint for responding. Larry Evans and Don had responded off list and > gave me the link which is this one > http://www.theeldergeek.com/oe_spellcheck.htm. I now have it up and running. > Thanks to all who responded, I appreciate all of you. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clint D" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:41 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Spell Checker > > > > Paul > > > > is this the link you are looking for? > > http://www.iespell.com/ > > > > Clint > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Jul 11 16:13:36 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:13:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] portland camping? References: <000901c466bd$eb6603c0$24b74004@dslverizon.net><007c01c46722$bebfb400$770d1bd3@athlon> <089f01c4673b$a05a4b60$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <00df01c467fe$f10f91a0$b5111bd3@athlon> Of course! A foregone conclusion!! Now remember the training I gave you. Dont stuff it up!! Hmmm, maybe a rephrase is needed! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] portland camping? > Hi Reg, > Will you please appoint me to give the "Traditional Australian Greeting" > to the waitresses at the Back 40? > Dave > > Dunno but, sadly, I wont be there to check it out. (Sob) > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim and Diane" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:38 AM > > Subject: [SEL] portland camping? > > > > > > > Who is running the camping at portland this year? > > > > > > Jim > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Jul 11 16:15:53 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:15:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] portland camping? References: <000901c466bd$eb6603c0$24b74004@dslverizon.net><007c01c46722$bebfb400$770d1bd3@athlon> <002201c46751$36ce5400$ebf70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <00e001c467fe$f1ae42a0$b5111bd3@athlon> The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] portland camping? > Reg we are going to miss you at Portland, it just want be the same without > you. Come on, sell one of those models and get you an airline ticket, there > is still pleanty of time. > > Paul From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 12 09:07:07 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Scott-Homer Engines (fwd) Message-ID: If you can help, please contact her directly. She is NOT on the list. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 19:47:55 +0100 From: Emmie Foxall To: fero_ah at city-net.com Subject: Scott-Homer Engines Dear Sir I am writing in the hope that you will be able to help me. I am trying to find out as much information as Scott-Homer Gas Engines as possible, and in a perfect world trace a machine. My Grandad is Harry Scott Homer (III) and it is his grandfather, Harry Scott-Homer who made these machines. My Grandad still lives in the same house in the Midlands, England and the workshop is still standing albeit used as a garage now. If you could help me in the smallest way, I would be incredibly grateful. Thank you for taking the time to read this email & I apologise for any inconvenience caused. Emmie Foxall From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jul 12 12:01:18 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:01:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? References: <40EE96AC.1010404@imc-group.com><002f01c465c3$c1ffa040$3b29ea41@oemcomputer> <40EEC36C.6080308@imc-group.com> <003d01c46631$ac3c9a60$9e29ea41@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <40F2DFFE.7000407@imc-group.com> Glenn, This is the same style NG mixer you were showing at Coolsprings last year? Did Parkersburg Machine make a knockoff of the Thermoil or buy and rebadge the engine? Curt Glenn A Karch wrote: >Curt, > >Hercules made engines that had a mixer that would allow it to run on >gasoline, NG and producer gas. These are most often found in the eastern >oil field areas. The Parkersburg Machine Co sold the equivalent of a model >T thermoil. They also made a NG mixer for the throttling governed Hercules >engines. > > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Mon Jul 12 12:29:18 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:29:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. DSL Service - Run a Dedicated line? Message-ID: <00bb01c46846$889bd550$c9f70cd1@VAIO> Ok Gang enough is enough, I just ordered DSL service for my internet connections on my PC. However it will be the 22nd of this month before it is turned on, something about them doing a major upgrade on the local service which is delaying it a few days...phooey!. Anyway my question to you current DSL users or you computer guru's is: (1) Would it be better if I ran a dedicated cable from the phone box to my new DSL router? Currently I have two phone lines, (only one phone cable) one for the home and one for the computer and of course they are all in one cable with two of the four wires for the home line and two of the four wires for the computer. (I have two separate telephone numbers). Also connected to this home is an array of extension wires to phones in every room of the house including my shop as well as phone lines to the satellite receivers. If it would be better to run a dedicated line to my router for DSL service is there a certain wire, or cable that is recommended. I want to do this up right and need the input from you experts on the subject. Thanks again for all of the help. Paul P.S. So far the computer is working, I have my fingers crossed that it will stay this way. From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Jul 12 13:41:44 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:41:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. DSL Service - Run a Dedicated line? References: <00bb01c46846$889bd550$c9f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <001c01c46850$a5e00190$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Paul, I would go with a dedicated line from the phone box. I did mine that way with regular phone cable and it works fine. For a new line like you're installing, go with Cat 5 as Bill mentioned. You can buy two or four wire Cat 5 cable depending on how many wires your system uses. My Telco uses two. Run from the box outside to the plug in box inside. No connectors needed. The RJ11 cord that comes with your DSL kit should work fine from the inside box to the modem. You will also need a NIC for this. That's a network interface card. It connects between the modem and your computer. On a laptop you can buy a PC card NIC. For a desktop you have to add a card inside if you don't have one. I think there are USB cards available also if you don't want to go inside the box. My two cents worth. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 1:29 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. DSL Service - Run a Dedicated line? > Ok Gang enough is enough, I just ordered DSL service for my internet > connections on my PC. However it will be the 22nd of this month before it is > turned on, something about them doing a major upgrade on the local service > which is delaying it a few days...phooey!. > > Anyway my question to you current DSL users or you computer guru's is: > > (1) Would it be better if I ran a dedicated cable from the phone box to my > new DSL router? Currently I have two phone lines, (only one phone cable) one > for the home and one for the computer and of course they are all in one > cable with two of the four wires for the home line and two of the four wires > for the computer. (I have two separate telephone numbers). > > Also connected to this home is an array of extension wires to phones in > every room of the house including my shop as well as phone lines to the > satellite receivers. > > If it would be better to run a dedicated line to my router for DSL service > is there a certain wire, or cable that is recommended. I want to do this up > right and need the input from you experts on the subject. > > Thanks again for all of the help. > > Paul > > P.S. So far the computer is working, I have my fingers crossed that it will > stay this way. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Mon Jul 12 13:46:24 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:46:24 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. DSL Service - Run a Dedicated line? In-Reply-To: <00bb01c46846$889bd550$c9f70cd1@VAIO> References: <00bb01c46846$889bd550$c9f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:29:18 -0500, you wrote: > >Anyway my question to you current DSL users or you computer guru's is: > >(1) Would it be better if I ran a dedicated cable from the phone box to my >new DSL router? Currently I have two phone lines, (only one phone cable) one >for the home and one for the computer and of course they are all in one >cable with two of the four wires for the home line and two of the four wires >for the computer. (I have two separate telephone numbers). > >Also connected to this home is an array of extension wires to phones in >every room of the house including my shop as well as phone lines to the >satellite receivers. > >If it would be better to run a dedicated line to my router for DSL service >is there a certain wire, or cable that is recommended. I want to do this up >right and need the input from you experts on the subject. > >Thanks again for all of the help. > >Paul It depends on how your DSL service is set up by the phone company. Here, we have a standard phone line which takes low frequency voice calls as usual, and also the high-frequency DSL At the phone jack, we have a filter which plugs into the phone jack and splits the signal, one socket then going to the standard phone, another to the DSL service user (DSL modem) I believe that our lines are tested for response before our phone service turns on the DSL service, and in our case the phone lines are fairly new as we had the three lines moved about 5 years ago from one end of the property to the other, but they still come in on overhead wires like a lot of country homes. The DSL signal goes to the new modem (You cannot use the old modem on DSL) and then it all depends on what you need at home. We run out of the modem into a US Robotics 8000 series router, which then feeds an 8-way network switch. All our machines are on the network switch. We use the switch as we have more than 4 machines on the network. If we had 4 or less then the basic router would do the job. If you had a modem/router combination unit, then you're saved the cabling between two units as all the machines would come straight out of the modem/router. As we have the phone line in the same room as the modem etc., there is no need for us to 'improve' the signal by renewing any cables etc., and the modem service screen shows we are getting maximum rates of data flow so no problems there. In your case it is probably the same, unless you have a grungy old copper cable that is prone to rain or earth leakage, in which case the telco should check it out first. One other point: Wireless. Had we known about wireless modems and networks a little bit earlier, we would have gone for wireless rather than Cat5 cable etc. If you are not too worried about security then wireless networks can be great in the home, especially if you can't drill holes or have cables draped all over. What you should end up with is 24/7 access to the net, with a reliable and fast service. We are slightly ahead of the US in speeds at present, but not hugely so. We can have five machines all running on the net at once here, all sharing the DSL connection and not seeing a big slow-down at all, and it is reliable! Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From glenn.karch at gte.net Mon Jul 12 13:58:33 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:58:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? References: <40EE96AC.1010404@imc-group.com><002f01c465c3$c1ffa040$3b29ea41@oemcomputer> <40EEC36C.6080308@imc-group.com><003d01c46631$ac3c9a60$9e29ea41@oemcomputer> <40F2DFFE.7000407@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001701c46853$0115d9c0$d129ea41@oemcomputer> Curt, The mixer I had at Coolspring last year has a place to screw in the very early version of the NG attachment which I have never seen yet. The more common Hercules NG mixer has is a modified J to accept the NG body which attaches where the choke normally is. In apppearance it looks something like the log saw mixer and has a similar looking valve inside. I think the Parkersburg Co simply rebadged the model T Thermoil. By the way, I am working with another person supplying information to help him develope a Thermoil and Hvid engine web site. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? > Glenn, > This is the same style NG mixer you were showing at Coolsprings last year? > Did Parkersburg Machine make a knockoff of the Thermoil or buy and > rebadge the engine? > Curt > > Glenn A Karch wrote: > > >Curt, > > > >Hercules made engines that had a mixer that would allow it to run on > >gasoline, NG and producer gas. These are most often found in the eastern > >oil field areas. The Parkersburg Machine Co sold the equivalent of a model > >T thermoil. They also made a NG mixer for the throttling governed Hercules > >engines. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Mon Jul 12 13:53:15 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:53:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. DSL Service - Run a Dedicated line? References: <00bb01c46846$889bd550$c9f70cd1@VAIO> <001c01c46850$a5e00190$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <010c01c46852$44235630$c9f70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Jeff for the information. I had lost all of the information on this subject during the System Recovery over the weekend. They are sending me out a complete installation kit which includes everything for a wireless router. However I want to go and get some of the CAT5 wire and have a dedicated circuit run before the hardware gets here. Thanks again for the information. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. DSL Service - Run a Dedicated line? > Paul, > > I would go with a dedicated line from the phone box. I did mine that way > with regular phone cable and it works fine. For a new line like you're > installing, go with Cat 5 as Bill mentioned. You can buy two or four wire > Cat 5 cable depending on how many wires your system uses. My Telco uses two. > Run from the box outside to the plug in box inside. No connectors needed. > The RJ11 cord that comes with your DSL kit should work fine from the inside > box to the modem. > > You will also need a NIC for this. That's a network interface card. It > connects between the modem and your computer. On a laptop you can buy a PC > card NIC. For a desktop you have to add a card inside if you don't have one. > I think there are USB cards available also if you don't want to go inside > the box. > From pmaples at anaxis.net Mon Jul 12 13:55:17 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:55:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. DSL Service - Run a Dedicated line? References: <00bb01c46846$889bd550$c9f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <011401c46852$8c017810$c9f70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Peter for all of this excellent information. I am installing a wireless router so this will help out quite a bit. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. DSL Service - Run a Dedicated line? > On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:29:18 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >Anyway my question to you current DSL users or you computer guru's is: > > > >(1) Would it be better if I ran a dedicated cable from the phone box to my > >new DSL router? Currently I have two phone lines, (only one phone cable) one > >for the home and one for the computer and of course they are all in one > >cable with two of the four wires for the home line and two of the four wires > >for the computer. (I have two separate telephone numbers). > > > >Also connected to this home is an array of extension wires to phones in > >every room of the house including my shop as well as phone lines to the From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Jul 12 15:14:39 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:14:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) References: <200407110448.i6B4lagu003416@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <001201c4685d$a0bdb150$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Jim, Take a look here: http://oldengine.org/members/allen/WardCatalogs/WardCatalogs.html I can scan more pictures if you want them. Still a work in progress at the link above. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 10:47 PM Subject: [SEL] (no subject) > Hi, > > I'm trying to help a friend identify an engine. It has the name "Dairy > Maid" on the hopper that resembles a Waterloo except the igniter mounting > boss is diamond shaped instead of round . Dose anyone have a similar engine > or know its origin? > > Thanks for any help. Jimmy > O'Hagan, Novato,Ca > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Mon Jul 12 15:27:01 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:27:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Microsoft Powerpoint Template Message-ID: <014e01c4685f$62ced340$c9f70cd1@VAIO> I am looking for a PowerPoint Template that looks like Aluminum Diamond Plate. Does anyone know where I can find this template? Paul From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Jul 12 17:42:09 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:42:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <001201c4685d$a0bdb150$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <200407130042.i6D0gDX8010126@heavyiron.atis.net> Jeff, Thanks for the reply. I'll try to send you a couple of pictures. Ignore the first one, couldn't open it anyway. I looked at it briefly Sunday. It's a little odd in it has only 3 head bolts. Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:15 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) Jim, Take a look here: http://oldengine.org/members/allen/WardCatalogs/WardCatalogs.html I can scan more pictures if you want them. Still a work in progress at the link above. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 10:47 PM Subject: [SEL] (no subject) > Hi, > > I'm trying to help a friend identify an engine. It has the name "Dairy > Maid" on the hopper that resembles a Waterloo except the igniter mounting > boss is diamond shaped instead of round . Dose anyone have a similar engine > or know its origin? > > Thanks for any help. Jimmy > O'Hagan, Novato,Ca > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pmaples at anaxis.net Tue Jul 13 07:40:36 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:40:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need John Billings E-mail Address Message-ID: <00a101c468e9$5f05a290$c6f70cd1@VAIO> Can someone send me John Billings e-mail address, thanks. Paul From pmaples at anaxis.net Tue Jul 13 08:07:05 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:07:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <00e001c468eb$11623ab0$c6f70cd1@VAIO> Folks is it just me or is it taking a long time for messages that we post to show up on the List? Paul From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jul 13 09:20:10 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:20:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters Message-ID: Howdy List; I know some of you build your own checkvalves. Are there any home made, hidden fuel filters, that you learned about and were impressed with? What I've got to work with is 1/4" npt elbows and ~ 3 feet of 1/4" pipe. The sawrig uses a Lunk. Sawrig coming along nicely Thanks gang RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Jul 13 10:56:33 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:56:33 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Test References: <00e001c468eb$11623ab0$c6f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <000d01c46902$bc1dfef0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> From: "Paul Maples" > Folks is it just me or is it taking a long time for messages that we post to > show up on the List? > > Paul Hi Paul, I got the same idea. Sometimes I see my own post 1 to 2 hours later. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue Jul 13 11:29:08 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:29:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <00e001c468eb$11623ab0$c6f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <200407131829.i6DITFeu006278@heavyiron.atis.net> Hi Paul, It must be you, mine only take a few hours. Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:07 AM To: Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Test Folks is it just me or is it taking a long time for messages that we post to show up on the List? Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rexhinz at chorus.net Tue Jul 13 14:52:20 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:52:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal Message-ID: <001001c46923$afc7df60$5686a5d8@rex> Hi All; I have recived three emails from people claiming to be Reps from PayPal in two days claiming someone is trying to log on to my PayPal account , Each email is from a different sender , First of all I don't have an account or never signed up for a PayPal account , anyone else reciving the same ? I always Pay ebay wins with money order , I am asked to log on to PayPal and type in a new pass word , by not having a account I am thinking maybe some spyware is trying to collect my information , Any thoughts ? rex From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Jul 13 16:50:51 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:50:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson info. Message-ID: <20040713.165052.276.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Is there any serial number lists on the web for Fuller & Johnson, or is Vern Kindschi still the only source? Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Jul 13 17:13:36 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:13:36 EDT Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters Message-ID: In a message dated 7/13/2004 11:38:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: I know some of you build your own checkvalves. Does anyone have a diagram or schematic (with possible list of material) for small check valves for small engines? Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From bcl at grandecom.net Tue Jul 13 18:49:20 2004 From: bcl at grandecom.net (LEW BEST) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:49:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal In-Reply-To: <001001c46923$afc7df60$5686a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <001701c46944$c805c350$6400a8c0@OFFICELEW> Someone's trying to get info! Go to the Paypal site; should be a way to forward the messages to them. May help keep someone with a Paypal account from getting burned if they can find the source! Meantime I'll try to find a link; may have to be a member & log on to get the link. Lew Best in Waco, TX -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 4:52 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal Hi All; I have recived three emails from people claiming to be Reps from PayPal in two days claiming someone is trying to log on to my PayPal account , Each email is from a different sender , First of all I don't have an account or never signed up for a PayPal account , anyone else reciving the same ? I always Pay ebay wins with money order , I am asked to log on to PayPal and type in a new pass word , by not having a account I am thinking maybe some spyware is trying to collect my information , Any thoughts ? rex _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bcl at grandecom.net Tue Jul 13 18:55:04 2004 From: bcl at grandecom.net (LEW BEST) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:55:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal In-Reply-To: <001001c46923$afc7df60$5686a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <001a01c46945$953e8960$6400a8c0@OFFICELEW> Check this out, Rex. Not necessary to log in as a member. https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/email-security-outside If it don't work go to Paypal.com & click on protect yourself link on the left column of the page. Lew Best in Waco, TX -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 4:52 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal Hi All; I have recived three emails from people claiming to be Reps from PayPal in two days claiming someone is trying to log on to my PayPal account , Each email is from a different sender , First of all I don't have an account or never signed up for a PayPal account , anyone else reciving the same ? I always Pay ebay wins with money order , I am asked to log on to PayPal and type in a new pass word , by not having a account I am thinking maybe some spyware is trying to collect my information , Any thoughts ? rex _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jul 13 19:54:21 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:54:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal In-Reply-To: <001001c46923$afc7df60$5686a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <000101c4694d$dd989860$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> It's not "spyware", it's a "scam". They are attempting to collect information. SPYWARE is software installed on YOUR computer, this is like a person coming to your door pretending to be taking census, etc. - this is a "scam". NEVER put in any confidential info. The link isn't even to paypal, even though it "looks like" it is. Never follow such a link - they can see who is visiting by collecting IP addresses and info from your computer if you don't have a good firewall. You may find the same thing from ebay asking you to confirm or update ebay account info because "someone is attempting to use your ebay account". I get the same thing from support at USBank. No one will ever ask you for such info online or via email. USBank asks that you forward a copy of each message to them. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 4:52 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal Hi All; I have recived three emails from people claiming to be Reps from PayPal in two days claiming someone is trying to log on to my PayPal account , Each email is from a different sender , First of all I don't have an account or never signed up for a PayPal account , anyone else reciving the same ? I always Pay ebay wins with money order , I am asked to log on to PayPal and type in a new pass word , by not having a account I am thinking maybe some spyware is trying to collect my information , Any thoughts ? rex _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From driggars at earthlink.net Tue Jul 13 19:57:45 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:57:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal References: <001001c46923$afc7df60$5686a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <019001c4694e$5753ece0$9a1be204@clinton> rex If is a spoof, forward them to spoof at paypal.com if you receive any that says tfrom ebay asking for info, then forward it to spoof at ebay.com ebay or paypal will respond to you to let you know if they are fake or not Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 4:52 PM Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal > Hi All; > > I have recived three emails from people claiming to be Reps from PayPal > in two days claiming someone is trying to log on to my PayPal account , Each > email is from a different sender , First of all I don't have an account or > never signed up for a PayPal account , anyone else reciving the same ? I > always Pay ebay wins with money order , I am asked to log on to PayPal and > type in a new pass word , by not having a account I am thinking maybe some > spyware is trying to collect my information , Any thoughts ? > > rex > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Tue Jul 13 20:18:53 2004 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:18:53 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal Message-ID: <59.1073dbdf.2e26001d@aol.com> In a message dated 7/13/2004 6:45:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rexhinz at chorus.net writes: > three emails from people claiming to be Reps from PayPal > in two days claiming someone is trying to log on to my PayPal account , Each > email is from a different sender Same here Rex, I've received two of those...and I DO have paypal. I just deleted them! Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV Members of W.A.P.A, (Western Antique Power Associates) The older the violin....the sweeter the music! From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Jul 13 20:25:33 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:25:33 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal Message-ID: <1e6.24f60bd2.2e2601ad@aol.com> In a message dated 7/13/2004 6:45:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rexhinz at chorus.net writes: Any thoughts ? Yes, I had the same thing happen to me several days ago. As I have an account with them, I immediately forwarded the email to PayPal (webform at paypal.com) asking if the email was legit. They informed me that it was a hoax and that they would take action. To date, I haven't received any other PayPal requesting information emails. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net Tue Jul 13 21:16:17 2004 From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:16:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal References: <001001c46923$afc7df60$5686a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <40F4B391.2040705@zoominternet.net> Rex, Those are probably scam emails. If paypal wants to contact you, they will send you an email advising you to log on to your account. There will be no "clickable" links. Ed Rex Hinz wrote: >Hi All; > > I have recived three emails from people claiming to be Reps from PayPal >in two days claiming someone is trying to log on to my PayPal account , Each >email is from a different sender , First of all I don't have an account or >never signed up for a PayPal account , anyone else reciving the same ? I >always Pay ebay wins with money order , I am asked to log on to PayPal and >type in a new pass word , by not having a account I am thinking maybe some >spyware is trying to collect my information , Any thoughts ? > >rex > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Jul 13 21:21:29 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:21:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson info. In-Reply-To: <20040713.165052.276.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <200407140421.i6E4LNZn028739@heavyiron.atis.net> Try: http://www.oldengine.org/members/lozzi/Index.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message-----. Hi all. Is there any serial number lists on the web for Fuller & Johnson, or is Vern Kindschi still the only source? Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Jul 13 21:31:21 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:31:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200407140431.i6E4VPd5030560@heavyiron.atis.net> > I know some of you build your own checkvalves. > Does anyone have a diagram or schematic (with possible list > of material) for > small check valves for small engines? Hi Francis, I've made them from tubing fittings (see attachment). Find a ball that is larger than the ID of the tubing, and that won't fall through the fitting. You can hand lap the tapered inside of the fitting, but most already have a nice enough finish. Put the ball in the fitting and blow down on it. See if it seals or needs more lapping. Don't inhale the ball. Next, without the ball in place, assemble the compression fitting with the tubing, you don't want the tubing to bottom into the fitting. Take it apart, stick the ball in, and carefully reassemble. If the tubing bottoms out on the ball, take it apart and shorten the tubing protruding from the ferrule. Keep reassembling until the ball will rattle. Now take it apart again. Notice that if the ball is pushed UP against the tubing in direction of fuel flow, it will seal againt the tubing, preventing flow. You need to notch the end of the tubing with a triangular file. Put about four substantial notches into the end of the tubing. You can balance the ball on the end of the tubing and blow down. Make sure you get some air flow. Again, you run the risk of swallowing the ball, which is why you should have bought two in the first place. Brass fittings are nice, brass balls are nice, stainless balls are nicer, steel balls will rust. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Jul 13 21:52:43 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:52:43 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson info. References: <20040713.165052.276.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <001b01c4695e$664ed060$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Ron, try Nick Lozzi the F&J collector. http://www.oldengine.org/members/lozzi/Index.htm John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Hi all. > Is there any serial number lists on the web for Fuller & Johnson, or is > Vern Kindschi still the only source? > Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA From gibsongus at myway.com Tue Jul 13 22:28:26 2004 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 01:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson info. Message-ID: <20040714052826.9D2B4399A@mprdmxin.myway.com> RON I have 3 books on fuller johnson engines 2 on pumpjack engines 1 book on N engines I send verne a pic. of my pumpjack engine and he said it was a1913 I also have some other litature.-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Tue 07/13, < rdhaskell at juno.com > wrote: From: [mailto: rdhaskell at juno.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:50:51 -0700Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson info.Hi all.Is there any serial number lists on the web for Fuller & Johnson, or isVern Kindschi still the only source?Thanks.Ron Haskellrdhaskell at juno.comRiverside, CaliforniaUSA_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From diesel at easynet.co.uk Tue Jul 13 23:58:28 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:58:28 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal In-Reply-To: <001001c46923$afc7df60$5686a5d8@rex> References: <001001c46923$afc7df60$5686a5d8@rex> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:52:20 -0500, you wrote: >Hi All; > > I have recived three emails from people claiming to be Reps from PayPal >in two days claiming someone is trying to log on to my PayPal account , Each >email is from a different sender , First of all I don't have an account or >never signed up for a PayPal account , anyone else reciving the same ? I >always Pay ebay wins with money order , I am asked to log on to PayPal and >type in a new pass word , by not having a account I am thinking maybe some >spyware is trying to collect my information , Any thoughts ? > >rex Always forward any emails like that to: spoof at paypal.com Same with ebay: spoof at ebay.com If possible, forward 'verbatim' which means that the email is sent exactly as you received it with all headers and sender's information intact. In all cases we have always received a confirmation of receipt email by return, and a response within 24hours stating that the email was a fraud. There's a lot of fraud out there, you have to be vigilant. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jul 14 01:56:08 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:56:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal References: <001001c46923$afc7df60$5686a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <003f01c46980$7de35f80$e40d1bd3@athlon> Just another scammer trying to get into your back pocket mate!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 7:52 AM Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal > Hi All; > > I have recived three emails from people claiming to be Reps from PayPal > in two days claiming someone is trying to log on to my PayPal account , Each > email is from a different sender , First of all I don't have an account or > never signed up for a PayPal account , anyone else reciving the same ? I > always Pay ebay wins with money order , I am asked to log on to PayPal and > type in a new pass word , by not having a account I am thinking maybe some > spyware is trying to collect my information , Any thoughts ? > > rex > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at keyconn.net Wed Jul 14 08:04:38 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:04:38 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal In-Reply-To: <001001c46923$afc7df60$5686a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20040714070219.02083948@mail.keyconn.net> Yes i have received some of the same it is a scam. send it to spoof at paypal.com R fink PA At 04:52 PM 7/13/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hi All; > > I have recived three emails from people claiming to be Reps from PayPal >in two days claiming someone is trying to log on to my PayPal account , Each >email is from a different sender , First of all I don't have an account or >never signed up for a PayPal account , anyone else reciving the same ? I >always Pay ebay wins with money order , I am asked to log on to PayPal and >type in a new pass word , by not having a account I am thinking maybe some >spyware is trying to collect my information , Any thoughts ? > >rex > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 04:10:36 2004 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 04:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson info. In-Reply-To: <20040713.165052.276.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <20040714111036.64168.qmail@web52605.mail.yahoo.com> Most complete one out there is on my website, click the link in my sig. Be aware the list is a rough guide only and the engine might have been shipped earlier or later than the s/n range indicates. rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: Hi all. Is there any serial number lists on the web for Fuller & Johnson, or is Vern Kindschi still the only source? Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Cheers! NICK Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web! "He who sees the other first already has half the victory." Erich Hartmann "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt" Hans Rudel --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jul 14 04:14:43 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:14:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <200407141114.i6EBEbJr001575@heavyiron.atis.net> 2114 Wednesday Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Wed Jul 14 05:47:01 2004 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Michael Christie) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:47:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] monitor date Message-ID: <00d801c469a0$ad6afbd0$70a557ca@andrewiowlw0rj> G'day All Could anybody possibly date a monitor engine sn23137? Cheers Mick ------------------------------------------------------ InterNet Australis http://www.australis.com.au/ From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Jul 14 07:21:48 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:21:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson info. Message-ID: <20040714.104055.820.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Ron, Here are a couple sites I have in my phone book - Not sure what's there. http://people.ne.mediaone.net/dora9/index.html http://www.oldengine.org/members/lozzi/Index.htm Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Jul 14 07:22:52 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:22:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal Message-ID: <20040714.104055.820.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rex Usually - I just ignore them and press "delete". Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 14 09:51:37 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:51:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT totally - wanted....... In-Reply-To: <20040714111036.64168.qmail@web52605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004a01c469c2$d60e74a0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> 1968 - 1974 AMC Javelin or AMX, or Javelin AMX (Javelin with AMX options) Prefer 1970 (the year they improved the front suspension) or later V8 manual trans, no rust, drivable, decent interior & seats. Will definitely consider 68 or 69 as well. Doesn't have to be perfect, I don't mind fixen' up, but needs solid glass and sheet metal. Bill From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Jul 14 13:30:07 2004 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:30:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] monitor date References: <00d801c469a0$ad6afbd0$70a557ca@andrewiowlw0rj> Message-ID: <002f01c469e1$5bb71620$24b74004@dslverizon.net> Hi Mick, According to Wendel's Notebook engine 23000 was made April 20, 1920, engine 24000 was made Sept. 7, 1920. Your number is between these numbers, probably pretty close to early May, 1920. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA, U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Christie" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 5:47 AM Subject: [SEL] monitor date > G'day All > Could anybody possibly date a monitor engine sn23137? > Cheers > Mick > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > InterNet Australis > http://www.australis.com.au/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jul 14 13:55:47 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:55:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] monitor date In-Reply-To: <00d801c469a0$ad6afbd0$70a557ca@andrewiowlw0rj> Message-ID: <200407142056.i6EKu0hA005776@heavyiron.atis.net> 1920 Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- G'day All Could anybody possibly date a monitor engine sn23137? Cheers Mick From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Wed Jul 14 14:45:15 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:45:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Orchid ProDesigner II Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7019C6068@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>>>Just to give a quick example of that, we have one machine we run DOS CAD programmes on, and that uses a 1991 Orchid ProDesigner II graphics card with 1meg of memory only. That runs perfectly well in Windows with no problems at all, while some of the newer cards have all sorts of speed and memory hassles. >>>Just a few thoughts from the UK. >>>Peter That was a GREAT card - not just for its time, but still. I had a 2 meg version, and it would do anything - never before nor since saw such great color control. Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. 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From rexhinz at chorus.net Wed Jul 14 15:27:03 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:27:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal References: <20040714.104055.820.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <005301c469f1$b0f99d00$6686a5d8@rex> Hey group ; Thanks for all the replies , I just recived an email from PayPal claiming its a hoax , I also downloaded a spyware remover and found 62 spys in my computer regeristry , I manualy typed in regedit and removed all 62 , it took about an hour , I use Norton and it keeps out the virus's but does nothing for spyware , again thank you all , Rex Hinz Ps. I did not give the scammers any of my info, I'm sometimes a little dumb but I stay away from stupid ;-) > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Jul 14 16:19:16 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:19:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal In-Reply-To: <001001c46923$afc7df60$5686a5d8@rex> References: <001001c46923$afc7df60$5686a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <3A06643E-D5EC-11D8-8DC0-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> These things are spoofed and are just set up to get you to reveal your account number, password, etc. so they can clean you out. I got a bunch of them today claiming to be from various businesses like Citibank and PayPal, an announcement that I've won $550,000 US from "The Canadian International Lottery" and must claim it by July 21, and several more copies of the good old African money laundering scam. John On Jul 13, 2004, at 5:52 PM, Rex Hinz wrote: > Hi All; > > I have recived three emails from people claiming to be Reps from > PayPal > in two days claiming someone is trying to log on to my PayPal account > , Each > email is from a different sender , First of all I don't have an > account or > never signed up for a PayPal account , anyone else reciving the same ? > I > always Pay ebay wins with money order , I am asked to log on to PayPal > and > type in a new pass word , by not having a account I am thinking maybe > some > spyware is trying to collect my information , Any thoughts ? > > rex > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Jul 14 19:07:28 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 02:07:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <071520040207.23505.4485@mchsi.com> Patrick, your coming in loud and clear. regards, Curt > 2114 Wednesday > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 14 19:44:58 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:44:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal In-Reply-To: <005301c469f1$b0f99d00$6686a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <003a01c46a15$ba12d3b0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> >>I did not give the scammers any of my info, I'm sometimes a little dumb but I stay away from stupid ;-)<< Love it! That describes a lot of folks - I'd have to say myself included. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 5:27 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal Hey group ; Thanks for all the replies , I just recived an email from PayPal claiming its a hoax , I also downloaded a spyware remover and found 62 spys in my computer regeristry , I manualy typed in regedit and removed all 62 , it took about an hour , I use Norton and it keeps out the virus's but does nothing for spyware , again thank you all , Rex Hinz Ps. I did not give the scammers any of my info, I'm sometimes a little dumb but I stay away from stupid ;-) > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From driggars at earthlink.net Wed Jul 14 21:57:07 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:57:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal References: <20040714.104055.820.3.jlb94@juno.com> <005301c469f1$b0f99d00$6686a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <021b01c46a28$2edba840$9012e204@clinton> Rex what spyware program did you use? Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal > Hey group ; > > Thanks for all the replies , I just recived an email from PayPal claiming > its a hoax , I also downloaded a spyware remover and found 62 spys in my > computer regeristry , I manualy typed in regedit and removed all 62 , it > took about an hour , I use Norton and it keeps out the virus's but does > nothing for spyware , again thank you all , Rex Hinz > > Ps. > I did not give the scammers any of my info, I'm sometimes a little dumb but > I stay away from stupid ;-) > > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Jul 14 23:52:10 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 07:52:10 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Orchid ProDesigner II In-Reply-To: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7019C6068@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7019C6068@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:45:15 -0500, you wrote: >>>>>Just to give a quick example of that, we have one machine we run DOS >CAD programmes on, and that uses a 1991 Orchid ProDesigner II graphics >card with 1meg of memory only. That runs perfectly well in Windows with >no problems at all, while some of the newer cards have all sorts of >speed and memory hassles. > >>>>Just a few thoughts from the UK. > >>>>Peter > >That was a GREAT card - not just for its time, but still. I had a 2 meg >version, and it would do anything - never before nor since saw such >great color control. > >Bruce Younger >Lenexa, Kansas USA >mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com I'll have to see about upgrading the memory on ours, the sockets are on the board for the extra 1mb. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Jul 15 00:42:12 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:42:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <071520040207.23505.4485@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <200407150742.i6F7g42U003239@heavyiron.atis.net> I though my mail was not getting through at all but it seems that there is a slight delay. My reply to the F&J question took 24 hours to get through and my test message took about three hours! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Patrick, your coming in loud and clear. regards, Curt From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jul 15 01:49:29 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:49:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] tragedy Message-ID: <01a301c46a4c$f3c43f40$710d1bd3@athlon> Marg and I want to thank all our friends who responded to the sad events that have hit us and our family circle. It is having friends like you that makes life worthwhile. Thankyou all. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Jul 15 02:16:39 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:16:39 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Test References: <200407150742.i6F7g42U003239@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <000901c46a4c$6facc970$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Patrick, I have the same trouble lately. I think it is in the SEL cyber-box, cause my off list posts come through at once. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > I though my mail was not getting through at all but it seems that there is a > slight delay. My reply to the F&J question took 24 hours to get through and > my test message took about three hours! > > Patrick M Livingstone From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jul 15 03:33:03 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:33:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <200407150742.i6F7g42U003239@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <007701c46a57$1dda20b0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> I've seen similar delays, however, there should be a delay of only minutes, not hours! There is an issue with the system, it appears. I can send an email to 750 people in 3 minutes from the server my wife's stuff is on. Responses come back almost as soon as the server quits sending. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:42 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] Test I though my mail was not getting through at all but it seems that there is a slight delay. My reply to the F&J question took 24 hours to get through and my test message took about three hours! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Patrick, your coming in loud and clear. regards, Curt _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Jul 15 03:52:58 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:52:58 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Stover Model "C" Engines Message-ID: <071520041052.5257.1882@mchsi.com> I am looking for owners of Stover Model "C" Engines as I have one but need to help a friend restore his. His head is newer design and stover changed the fuel saver lever asy so we need to fabricate or modify one to get working. Any and all detailed pics would be grately appreciated. Thankyou in advance, Curt Andree From glenn.karch at gte.net Thu Jul 15 06:10:48 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:10:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ATIS Portland Dinner 2004 References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040423225817.01c2de70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <005e01c46a6d$2710abc0$0329ea41@oemcomputer> Dave, Count me in for one at the dinner. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: ; ; Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 1:09 AM Subject: [SEL] ATIS Portland Dinner 2004 > Hi All, > I'm once again taking care of coordinating the Annual ATIS Dinner during > the Portland Show this year. The dinner will be on Thursday August 26th, > 2004 at 6:00 PM at the Back 40 Junction in Decatur. Decatur is about 25 > miles North of Portland, and the Back 40 is on Rt. 27 (on the left as you > are driving North) at the North end of town. > I just talked to Ellen at the Back Forty and made our reservations! (In > the course of our conversation she indicated that the waitresses asked > [begged] to know if Arnie Ferro would be back this year. I told he that he > would be back--there was then cheering in the background! She also asked > (again) if that "older gentleman" from Australia would be at the dinner > this year. I asked her if she meant Reg and she said that she didn't know > his name but "It is the guy who gave all the waitresses what he called 'the > traditional Australian greeting'." When I asked her what on earth that was > she replied "A little pat on the rear end. He said it's a show of respect > in Australia." I told her that it MUST have been Reg and that I would > contact her as soon as I knew if he will be with us this year. Ellen also > said that the father of one of the waiterss' said that he would be real > glad to meet up with George Willer "if he ever shows his face in the area > again." Do any of you FATG's know anything about this? > As usual, the Summer ATIS Charity Auction will be conducted right after we > finish eating.We will rely once again on the "Karch method" that we used > the last years. Start thinking about what you will be donating for the > auction this year! If memory serves, we took in a little over $3,000.00 for > charity at the dinner last year! > If you know that you will be able to join us for the dinner, please contact > me off List (rotigel at alltel.net) and let me know how many will be in your > party. I hope to be able to give Ellen a fairly accurate count again this > year. (We were at just around 105 people last year!) No money is necessary > in order to make your "reservation," and if you find you can't make it > after you have let me know that you will be there, please let me know of > your change in plans. Thanks! > Dave > PS, Ellen promised me AIR CONDITIONING this year! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pmaples at anaxis.net Thu Jul 15 11:35:51 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:35:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Looking for John Billings Message-ID: <007d01c46a9a$90b315e0$d0f70cd1@VAIO> John I am looking for you to tell you how much I appreciate you making the part for me and sending it to me. It will require a slight modification to work but this is no big deal. I am grateful for what you have done. I do not have your e-mail address, it was lost during my last system recovery or I would be writing this off list. Please let me know what I owe you. Paul From kerogas at the-i.net Thu Jul 15 16:20:11 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:20:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters References: Message-ID: <007d01c46ac2$47ac7260$07905841@oemcomputer> You said filters ... Or did you mean check valves ? There are a dozen different tiny in lines you can dangle from a piece of vinyl tubing if it can hit the bottom of the tank . Think chainsaws , weedwhackers etc . http://www.smallenginebusiness.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_ Code=SEB&Category_Code=61-2 (7-02358) is one example bottom of the page I have soldered brass screen onto the end of the stand pipe most of " them " were like that I have -crammed- screen into the tubing as well , but that aint so cool . > Howdy List; > I know some of you build your own checkvalves. Are there any home made, > hidden fuel filters, that you learned about and were impressed with? What > I've got to work with is 1/4" npt elbows and ~ 3 feet of 1/4" pipe. The > sawrig uses a Lunk. From rexhinz at chorus.net Thu Jul 15 16:31:05 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:31:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal now spyware References: <20040714.104055.820.3.jlb94@juno.com><005301c469f1$b0f99d00$6686a5d8@rex> <021b01c46a28$2edba840$9012e204@clinton> Message-ID: <001a01c46ac3$ceb2ae40$1886a5d8@rex> > Rex > > what spyware program did you use? > > Clint > > > Hi Clint, I used spyhunter , Its a free download from cnet.com , Go to www.cnet.com and click downloads and search for spyware ,you can use the demo version free and it finds most of the bad stuff and lists it and shows the location and the big long numbers that you must delete from your registry ,or if you buy the program it will remove the spyware automaticly , you can do it manualy , but If your not up on regestry editing you must be very careful that you don't delete the wrong items as it could cause Very big computer woes :-( If you try it it would be interesting to hear how many you find , Rex Hinz From pmaples at anaxis.net Thu Jul 15 19:12:07 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:12:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Telephone Number Of AmeriHost Message-ID: <00f101c46ada$4f933a00$e9f70cd1@VAIO> Can someone send me the telephone number of the Amerihost Hotel in Decatur? Paul From dipaul at mcihispeed.net Thu Jul 15 19:29:15 2004 From: dipaul at mcihispeed.net (Dieter Paul) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:29:15 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [SEL] Looking for John Billings Message-ID: <26988310.1089944956373.JavaMail.root@wamui04.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Hi Paul The following is the address have for John, hope this helps "john billing" Regards Dieter -----Original Message----- From: Paul Maples Sent: Jul 15, 2004 11:35 AM To: Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Looking for John Billings John I am looking for you to tell you how much I appreciate you making the part for me and sending it to me. It will require a slight modification to work but this is no big deal. I am grateful for what you have done. I do not have your e-mail address, it was lost during my last system recovery or I would be writing this off list. Please let me know what I owe you. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From driggars at earthlink.net Thu Jul 15 20:05:28 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:05:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal now spyware References: <20040714.104055.820.3.jlb94@juno.com><005301c469f1$b0f99d00$6686a5d8@rex><021b01c46a28$2edba840$9012e204@clinton> <001a01c46ac3$ceb2ae40$1886a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <00cd01c46ae1$c06ef6e0$0215e204@clinton> Rex thanks, I will give it a try Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal now spyware > > > > > Rex > > > > what spyware program did you use? > > > > Clint > > > > > > Hi Clint, > > I used spyhunter , Its a free download from cnet.com , Go to > www.cnet.com and click downloads and search for spyware ,you can use the > demo version free and it finds most of the bad stuff and lists it and shows > the location and the big long numbers that you must delete from your > registry ,or if you buy the program it will remove the spyware automaticly , > you can do it manualy , but If your not up on regestry editing you must be > very careful that you don't delete the wrong items as it could cause Very > big computer woes :-( If you try it it would be interesting to hear how > many you find , > > Rex Hinz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Thu Jul 15 20:35:13 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:35:13 EDT Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters Message-ID: <1dc.2653e66f.2e28a6f1@aol.com> In a message dated 7/14/2004 4:50:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rskinner at rustyiron.com writes: I've made them from tubing fittings (see attachment). Find a ball that is larger than the ID of the tubing, and that won't fall through the fitting. You can hand lap the tapered inside of the fitting, but most already have a nice enough finish. Put the ball in the fitting and blow down on it. See if it seals or needs more lapping. Don't inhale the ball. Next, without the ball in place, assemble the compression fitting with the tubing, you don't want the tubing to bottom into the fitting. Take it apart, stick the ball in, and carefully reassemble. If the tubing bottoms out on the ball, take it apart and shorten the tubing protruding from the ferrule. Keep reassembling until the ball will rattle. Now take it apart again. Notice that if the ball is pushed UP against the tubing in direction of fuel flow, it will seal againt the tubing, preventing flow. You need to notch the end of the tubing with a triangular file. Put about four substantial notches into the end of the tubing. You can balance the ball on the end of the tubing and blow down. Make sure you get some air flow. Again, you run the risk of swallowing the ball, which is why you should have bought two in the first place. Rob, With the above instructions, I was able to fabricate a nice check valve. I used a flare type connector with 1/8" NPT end. I cut off the 1/8" NPT part to the hex and shorten the flare side of the male connector. I soldered a piece of copper tubing to the inside of the mating nut. I also soldered a small piece of fine mess brass screen to bottom side of the male connector where the 1/8" NPT was. Again, thanks for the excellent directions. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From MaytagTwin at aol.com Thu Jul 15 21:54:59 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:54:59 EDT Subject: [SEL] Need Telephone Number Of AmeriHost Message-ID: <27.5d11197c.2e28b9a3@aol.com> In a message dated 7/16/2004 12:48:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pmaples at anaxis.net writes: > Can someone send me the telephone number of the Amerihost Hotel in Decatur? > > Paul Amerihost Inn & Suites-Decatur 1201 South 13th Street Decatur, IN ?46733 260-728-4600 Hi Paul, Here you are. I used Metacrawler.com to get it. Ron From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Jul 15 22:31:47 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:31:47 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Need Telephone Number Of AmeriHost References: <00f101c46ada$4f933a00$e9f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <000501c46af6$2ff59820$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Paul here you are. Amerihost Inn 1201 South 13th Street Decatur, IN 46733 Phone: (219) 728-4600 Take care, John H. > Can someone send me the telephone number of the Amerihost Hotel in Decatur? > > Paul From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Thu Jul 15 22:44:42 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:44:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: i have noticed this seems to happen quite often. when you dont get a reply from an email it does make you wonder if they are getting through. >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Test >Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:42:12 +1000 > >I though my mail was not getting through at all but it seems that there is >a >slight delay. My reply to the F&J question took 24 hours to get through and >my test message took about three hours! > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > >-----Original Message----- > >Patrick, >your coming in loud and clear. >regards, >Curt > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday and find love! http://mobilecentral.ninemsn.com.au/mclovehunt/lovehunt.aspx From bethell1 at iinet.net.au Fri Jul 16 03:39:24 2004 From: bethell1 at iinet.net.au (bethell) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:39:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] tangye dating Message-ID: <000d01c46b21$2bd52be0$d2eacecb@default> Hi all, I had a friend ring me today during his trip to central = Australia where he found a Tangye engine, open crank serial no 32832 in = pretty fair shape. Can anyone date these engines and give me an idea of = size? He also located a Inter famous at the same property in the scrap = heap. As the property has been sold we are keen to move them south to a = better home. regards Jim Bethell Mildura "Gateway to the outback" bethell1 at iinet.net..au http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Jul 16 05:41:26 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:41:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Radio Brock Message-ID: <200407161241.i6GCfFUp020286@heavyiron.atis.net> Wandering around the net I came across this: http://www.abc.net.au/canberra/stories/s1058743.htm Brock talking about engines, now that is unusual ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 05:59:05 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:59:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Telephone Number Of AmeriHost References: <27.5d11197c.2e28b9a3@aol.com> Message-ID: <003901c46b34$afcaa020$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Ron, I appreciate it. I made reservations months ago and had all of my confirmation information but lost all of it in the computer crash. I want to call them and make sure I still have a room. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Telephone Number Of AmeriHost In a message dated 7/16/2004 12:48:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pmaples at anaxis.net writes: > Can someone send me the telephone number of the Amerihost Hotel in Decatur? > > Paul Amerihost Inn & Suites-Decatur 1201 South 13th Street Decatur, IN 46733 260-728-4600 Hi Paul, Here you are. I used Metacrawler.com to get it. Ron _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 06:00:18 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:00:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Telephone Number Of AmeriHost References: <00f101c46ada$4f933a00$e9f70cd1@VAIO> <000501c46af6$2ff59820$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <003a01c46b34$da679770$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Thanks John. For some reason this telephone number is wrong but I used the one Maytag Twin sent me and it worked. Strange they would list two numbers for the same hotel. I appreciate the response. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Telephone Number Of AmeriHost > Hi Paul here you are. > > Amerihost Inn > 1201 South 13th Street > Decatur, IN 46733 > Phone: (219) 728-4600 > > Take care, > John H. > From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 06:02:27 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:02:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Looking for John Billings References: <26988310.1089944956373.JavaMail.root@wamui04.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <006f01c46b35$276f49a0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Dieter. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dieter Paul" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for John Billings > Hi Paul > > The following is the address have for John, hope this helps > > "john billing" > > Regards > Dieter > > > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 06:32:43 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:32:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! Message-ID: <008001c46b39$61f39dc0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Folks you all know that I have been trying for years to find the right Fuel Saver Arm for my 1905 Vertical Stover. I thought I had finally succeeded when my good friend John Billings wrote me that he had purchased a Stover and he thought it had the exact arm on it I needed. Not only did John give me this information but he immediately offered to take his arm off and have one cast for me and send it to me. John took the part off of his Stover, had one cast for me, and then machined it and sent it to me.......what a friend...... I got the parts in last Friday and excitedly ran out to the shop to install them. It became apparent immediately that this was not the right arm. I am enclosing pictures of my Stover Head without the rocker arm and fuel saver arm installed and then I show the head with the rocker arm and the new fuel saver arm that John made for me. The pictures will affirm the following: The bevel grind that John put on the arm (which was correct for his engine) is on the wrong side for my setup. Although this is wrong this would be an easy fix if this was all that was wrong. Also you will not that the arm will have to have a right hand bend in it to properly work as now it is as close as it can get the to contact plate on the valve. I know that cast iron cannot be bent but I now have the basic design of the arm and by having this part I can calculate the amount of bend I would need in a correct arm. I have confirmed, by looking at the wear pattern on the rocker arm finger that the fuel saver arm did set on the head at this exact angle thus also confirming that the arm did originally have a bend in it in order to reach the valve contact plate. Here are pictures of my head and parts: http://community.webshots.com/photo/163076625/163077139KGQWJV I am searching for several things at this point. It is obvious to me that Stover installed many different fuel saver arms on his engines as there are many configurations out in the engine world. I would love to find someone who has my exact setup as this would make it easier for me to redesign the parts I have and make them work. I also need an understanding of just how this fuel saver arm works and should be set up. I not only want to get my engine setup but, after all of the problems I have encountered, I want to put together a small booklet on Stover Fuel Saver Arms and make this available to the engine public (free - only cost postage to mail to you). I would appreciate all of the pictures I could get of Stover Fuel Saver Arms advising me of the following: Year and Model of Engine the Fuel Saver Arm is On. Model Number and Serial Number of Engine Horse of Engine Your Name (if you want to give it) I will compile this information into a colored brochure, or booklet, and make it available to anyone who would want one. Thanks and I am looking forward to hearing from all of you Stover Owners who have engines with Fuel Saver Arms on them. Thanks, Paul From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Jul 16 06:40:48 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 23:40:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Stover Model "C" Engines In-Reply-To: <071520041052.5257.1882@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <200407161341.i6GDeoft024472@heavyiron.atis.net> Hi Curt, Would the later Type C Stover have the same fuel saver (or similar) as the YB and YC engines? Or possibly the horizontal engines? I could help with pics of these. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- I am looking for owners of Stover Model "C" Engines as I have one but need to help a friend restore his. His head is newer design and stover changed the fuel saver lever asy so we need to fabricate or modify one to get working. Any and all detailed pics would be grately appreciated. Thankyou in advance, Curt Andree From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 07:35:45 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:35:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? Message-ID: <00ed01c46b42$306b52d0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Folks is there something wrong with the SEL, use to I would post something and it would pop right up, now it seems like it takes forever, may just be my computer and this is why I am asking. Thanks From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jul 16 10:09:12 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:09:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! References: <008001c46b39$61f39dc0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <40F80BB8.7080709@imc-group.com> Paul, Interesting economizer! I'm taking a guess that it works buy swinging, with light spring pressure, under the washer of the intake valve to keep the intake valve closed when the exhaust valve is latched open, correct? And then when the exhaust valve is allowed to close, the economizer is pushed out from under the washer allowing the intake valve to be sucked open, correct? Rather than risking heating and bending your new casting, would making a slightly larger washer solve the problem? How about one with a bevel/chamfer on the bottom side to help the economizer arm swing under it. Then you would not have to grind much on the cast arm. Thanks for the photos. It's been way too quiet on the SEL lately. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Paul Maples wrote: >Paul > > >_______________________________________________ > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jul 16 10:03:18 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover Fuel Saver Arm In-Reply-To: <008001c46b39$61f39dc0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> References: <008001c46b39$61f39dc0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: Hi Paul, I can't really tell from your pictures and description exactly what the problem is here. When I think of a "fuel saver" I think of a mechanical gadget that firmly holds the intake valve closed while the exhaust valve is being held open by the govenor latch arm. The engine is free-wheeling with no compression. The "fuel savings" results from preventing the intake valve from opening under a slight pressure differential that might occur on the intake stroke with the exhaust valve open. Are we on the same page so far? On your Stover should the fuel saver arm do its thing by going under the washer that's above the intake valve spring? What would move the arm toward the valve stem; is there a spring we don't see in your pictures? Or is there some other mechanical actuation? If there's a spring, what counters the spring force? Is there a tapered "finger" on the exhaust valve rocker that would allow the arm to move toward the valve (under spring tension) when the exhaust valve was open and would push the arm back away from the intake valve when the exhaust valve was closed? Or some other mechanical action entirely? If your concern is that the arm isn't under the washer, maybe your washer is just too small or is the wrong shape? Any elaboration that you (or others) can provide on this Stover setup would be appreciated. And, as always, some pictures of a complete setup in operation would be worth several thousand email words. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Paul Maples wrote: > Folks you all know that I have been trying for years to find the right Fuel > Saver Arm for my 1905 Vertical Stover. > > Also you will not that the arm will have to have a right hand bend in it to > properly work as now it is as close as it can get the to contact plate on > the valve. I know that cast iron cannot be bent but I now have the basic > design of the arm and by having this part I can calculate the amount of bend > I would need in a correct arm. I have confirmed, by looking at the wear > pattern on the rocker arm finger that the fuel saver arm did set on the head > at this exact angle thus also confirming that the arm did originally have a > bend in it in order to reach the valve contact plate. Here are pictures of > my head and parts: > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/163076625/163077139KGQWJV From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jul 16 10:26:12 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:26:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? References: <00ed01c46b42$306b52d0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <40F80FB4.7080909@imc-group.com> Paul, It takes hours for my posts to post sometimes. The owner of the ISP we use (Carolina Internet), used to be an employee here so I know him well. I have discussed this at length with him and in the past have sent him copies of emails I have posted to the SEL that had huge delays. He took the time to research where the delays were occurring and sent me detailed reports of the routing. His company, Carolina Internet, is not the bottleneck in my delayed posts. His data showed the delay was with the host of the SEL. Since this is a free service to us all it would be inappropriate to even utter a hint of complaint about it, so that ended my pursuit of the issue. I am content to deal with the mild inconvenience this causes. What made me suspect this was a Carolina Internet problem, was that I will see replies to one of my posts before I see my own post. But according to Morgan's data the delay is not in his portion of the route. I would dig thru my trash folder and post Morgan's data, but unfortunately just last week I deleted some 69,000 messages from my trash folder because it was making my browser slow. I guess I could ask him to prepare another report if there is interest. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Post time 1:28 EST Paul Maples wrote: >Folks is there something wrong with the SEL, use to I would post something >and it would pop right up, now it seems like it takes forever, may just be >my computer and this is why I am asking. Thanks > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From BillMil357 at aol.com Fri Jul 16 10:47:03 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:47:03 EDT Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? Message-ID: <1ca.25f625b6.2e296e97@aol.com> Paul; I am going to send this message and see how long it takes to come back to me. Thanks, Bill. From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Jul 16 11:05:29 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:05:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? In-Reply-To: <00ed01c46b42$306b52d0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <001401c46b5f$7b54b2b0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> No, I've noticed it can take hours, even into the next day. One time it never showed up. It's definitely SLOOOOOWer than it ever was. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 9:36 AM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? Folks is there something wrong with the SEL, use to I would post something and it would pop right up, now it seems like it takes forever, may just be my computer and this is why I am asking. Thanks _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 11:40:49 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:40:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old Homelite Generator - Need Info Message-ID: <017a01c46b64$7092d870$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Hey Gang Keith Kinney and I recently did some swapping and I ended up with an old Homelite Generator and I was wondering if anyone else has one or knows where I can find any information on the unit: Here are some pictures of it: http://community.webshots.com/photo/163279382/163280014bCnIDK The nametag data is as follows: HOMELITE Model 8HY -1A DC Volts 115 21.7 Amps PH 3 AC Volts 230 7.5 Amps CYC 180 Serial Number 1642470 Any info will be appreciated. Paul From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 12:44:40 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:44:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Weekly Plea for Transportation Help Message-ID: <01ab01c46b6d$58306370$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Ok Gang once again I am submitting my weekly plea for transportation help to get my fodder chopper hauled from George Woodzell's house in Schenectady, NY to Ivan Cousins place in Clarion, Pa or to Portland. Ivan has graciously consented to haul it from his place in Clarion, Pa to Portland if someone can get it to him there. As I have said in previous posts George hauled the chopper from Massachusetts to his home in Schenectady in the back of his Volvo station wagon so it is not a big piece of equipment. If anyone can help me please contact me via e-mail or via phone at 501-230-8229. Thanks, Paul From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Fri Jul 16 13:04:21 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:04:21 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! References: <008001c46b39$61f39dc0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <002c01c46b70$1a0682c0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Paul , I have an early 3 HP Stover YB, with the original fuel saver on. I can take pictures for you to see if this is what you need. If it is exactly the same, I could have one cast for you. I doubt if they are the same though as your engine is about 11000 earlier than my YB. Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 3:32 PM Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! > Folks you all know that I have been trying for years to find the right Fuel > Saver Arm for my 1905 Vertical Stover. I thought I had finally succeeded > when my good friend John Billings wrote me that he had purchased a Stover > and he thought it had the exact arm on it I needed. Not only did John give > me this information but he immediately offered to take his arm off and have > one cast for me and send it to me. John took the part off of his Stover, had > one cast for me, and then machined it and sent it to me.......what a > friend...... > > I got the parts in last Friday and excitedly ran out to the shop to install > them. It became apparent immediately that this was not the right arm. I am > enclosing pictures of my Stover Head without the rocker arm and fuel saver > arm installed and then I show the head with the rocker arm and the new fuel > saver arm that John made for me. The pictures will affirm the following: > > The bevel grind that John put on the arm (which was correct for his engine) > is on the wrong side for my setup. Although this is wrong this would be an > easy fix if this was all that was wrong. > > Also you will not that the arm will have to have a right hand bend in it to > properly work as now it is as close as it can get the to contact plate on > the valve. I know that cast iron cannot be bent but I now have the basic > design of the arm and by having this part I can calculate the amount of bend > I would need in a correct arm. I have confirmed, by looking at the wear > pattern on the rocker arm finger that the fuel saver arm did set on the head > at this exact angle thus also confirming that the arm did originally have a > bend in it in order to reach the valve contact plate. Here are pictures of > my head and parts: > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/163076625/163077139KGQWJV > > I am searching for several things at this point. It is obvious to me that > Stover installed many different fuel saver arms on his engines as there are > many configurations out in the engine world. I would love to find someone > who has my exact setup as this would make it easier for me to redesign the > parts I have and make them work. I also need an understanding of just how > this fuel saver arm works and should be set up. > > I not only want to get my engine setup but, after all of the problems I have > encountered, I want to put together a small booklet on Stover Fuel Saver > Arms and make this available to the engine public (free - only cost postage > to mail to you). I would appreciate all of the pictures I could get of > Stover Fuel Saver Arms advising me of the following: > > Year and Model of Engine the Fuel Saver Arm is On. > Model Number and Serial Number of Engine > Horse of Engine > Your Name (if you want to give it) > > I will compile this information into a colored brochure, or booklet, and > make it available to anyone who would want one. > > Thanks and I am looking forward to hearing from all of you Stover Owners who > have engines with Fuel Saver Arms on them. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 16 17:42:09 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! In-Reply-To: <008001c46b39$61f39dc0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <20040717004209.89801.qmail@web20228.mail.yahoo.com> I fail to understand what the problem is with the set up that you have pictured. The fuel saver arm should only be doing its job when the exhaust valve is being held open. In the photos it looks like it fits good, the intake valve is free to open. If the exhaust valve were held open, the little finger on the bottom of the rocker arm would move out of the way so that the torsion spring that belongs on the fuel saver could swing the fuel saver over under the washer on the intake valve and keep the intake valve from being sucked open by the air rushing in and out of the cylinder while the engine is on the miss strokes. The fuel saver arm comes into play only when the exhaust rocker arm is holding the exhaust valve open. In the photos, it does not look like the rocker arm is holding the exhaust valve open, so the fuel saver should not be in position under the washer on the intake valve. It looks to me like what you have pictured is very close to being a working assembly, with little more than a little handiwork with a file needed to make it all fit together nicely. Perhaps I am not looking at this right, but it looks pretty good to me. Joe ===== Joe Prindle Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: www.tznet.com/jprindle Our Club: www.badgersteamandgas.com See Yoo in Baraboo! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 17:42:49 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:42:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover Fuel Saver Arm References: <008001c46b39$61f39dc0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <000c01c46b96$fe89b2c0$d0f70cd1@VAIO> Curt, Arnie, hang on just for a minute as I took some more pictures. I am processing them right now and will have them posted in just a few minutes. Maybe it will answer some of your questions. As far as knowing how it works, heck I don't know and this is why I am asking. The pictures will be forthcoming shortly. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 12:03 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover Fuel Saver Arm > Hi Paul, > > I can't really tell from your pictures and description exactly what the > problem is here. > > When I think of a "fuel saver" I think of a mechanical gadget that firmly > holds the intake valve closed while the exhaust valve is being held open > by the govenor latch arm. The engine is free-wheeling with no > compression. The "fuel savings" results from preventing the intake valve > from opening under a slight pressure differential that might occur on the > intake stroke with the exhaust valve open. > > Are we on the same page so far? > > On your Stover should the fuel saver arm do its thing by going under the > washer that's above the intake valve spring? What would move the arm > toward the valve stem; is there a spring we don't see in your pictures? > Or is there some other mechanical actuation? > > If there's a spring, what counters the spring force? Is there a tapered > "finger" on the exhaust valve rocker that would allow the arm to move > toward the valve (under spring tension) when the exhaust valve was open > and would push the arm back away from the intake valve when the exhaust > valve was closed? Or some other mechanical action entirely? > > If your concern is that the arm isn't under the washer, maybe your washer > is just too small or is the wrong shape? > > Any elaboration that you (or others) can provide on this Stover setup > would be appreciated. And, as always, some pictures of a complete setup > in operation would be worth several thousand email words. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Paul Maples wrote: > > > Folks you all know that I have been trying for years to find the right Fuel > > Saver Arm for my 1905 Vertical Stover. > > > > Also you will not that the arm will have to have a right hand bend in it to > > properly work as now it is as close as it can get the to contact plate on > > the valve. I know that cast iron cannot be bent but I now have the basic > > design of the arm and by having this part I can calculate the amount of bend > > I would need in a correct arm. I have confirmed, by looking at the wear > > pattern on the rocker arm finger that the fuel saver arm did set on the head > > at this exact angle thus also confirming that the arm did originally have a > > bend in it in order to reach the valve contact plate. Here are pictures of > > my head and parts: > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/163076625/163077139KGQWJV > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 18:11:17 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:11:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover Fuel Saver Arm- New Pictures References: <008001c46b39$61f39dc0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <001001c46b9a$f8b23260$d0f70cd1@VAIO> Ok Arnie, Curt, and anyone else interested I have added seven more pictures to the StoverHead Album. Start with Stover Head 7 to start with the new pictures. http://community.webshots.com/photo/163076625/163948835fAFRfY Let me know what you think. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 12:03 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover Fuel Saver Arm > Hi Paul, > > I can't really tell from your pictures and description exactly what the > problem is here. > > When I think of a "fuel saver" I think of a mechanical gadget that firmly > holds the intake valve closed while the exhaust valve is being held open > by the govenor latch arm. The engine is free-wheeling with no > compression. The "fuel savings" results from preventing the intake valve > from opening under a slight pressure differential that might occur on the > intake stroke with the exhaust valve open. > From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 18:13:28 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:13:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? References: <00ed01c46b42$306b52d0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> <40F80FB4.7080909@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002c01c46b9b$478778a0$d0f70cd1@VAIO> I was afraid of this Curt. I just posted some new pictures of the Stover Head Fuel Saver arm and it will probably be tomorrow before anyone will see them. Thanks for the update. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? > Paul, > It takes hours for my posts to post sometimes. The owner of the ISP we > use (Carolina Internet), used to be an employee here so I know him well. > I have discussed this at length with him and in the past have sent him > copies of emails I have posted to the SEL that had huge delays. He took > the time to research where the delays were occurring and sent me > detailed reports of the routing. His company, Carolina Internet, is not > the bottleneck in my delayed posts. His data showed the delay was with > the host of the SEL. Since this is a free service to us all it would be > inappropriate to even utter a hint of complaint about it, so that ended > my pursuit of the issue. I am content to deal with the mild > inconvenience this causes. > What made me suspect this was a Carolina Internet problem, was that I > will see replies to one of my posts before I see my own post. But > according to Morgan's data the delay is not in his portion of the route. > I would dig thru my trash folder and post Morgan's data, but > unfortunately just last week I deleted some 69,000 messages from my > trash folder because it was making my browser slow. I guess I could ask > him to prepare another report if there is interest. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > Post time 1:28 EST > > Paul Maples wrote: > > >Folks is there something wrong with the SEL, use to I would post something > >and it would pop right up, now it seems like it takes forever, may just be > >my computer and this is why I am asking. Thanks > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 18:18:46 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:18:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? References: <00ed01c46b42$306b52d0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> <40F80FB4.7080909@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004801c46b9c$04bc8370$d0f70cd1@VAIO> Curt this is exactly what happens to me, I see replies to my posts before I ever see my original posts. In fact today I spent some time checking my computer out to be sure that I had not inadvertently blocked messages from the SEL and I had not. I just wish it was faster as it really disrupts the continuity of the messages we are sending but as you say, it is free so beggars cannot be choosers...right? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? > Paul, > It takes hours for my posts to post sometimes. The owner of the ISP we > use (Carolina Internet), used to be an employee here so I know him well. > I have discussed this at length with him and in the past have sent him > copies of emails I have posted to the SEL that had huge delays. He took > the time to research where the delays were occurring and sent me > detailed reports of the routing. His company, Carolina Internet, is not > the bottleneck in my delayed posts. His data showed the delay was with > the host of the SEL. Since this is a free service to us all it would be > From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Jul 16 18:22:02 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:22:02 EDT Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/16/2004 6:19:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, BillMil357 at aol.com writes: I am going to send this message and see how long it takes to come back to me. Bill. Your message was received at 6:19 PDT. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 18:30:19 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:30:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? References: <001401c46b5f$7b54b2b0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <005301c46b9d$a1ab4490$d0f70cd1@VAIO> I agree Bill. I wonder if there is anything at all that Spencer can do about it or is this something that we will just learn to live with. It sure takes the fun out of responding to an ongoing thread. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:05 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? > No, I've noticed it can take hours, even into the next day. > One time it never showed up. > It's definitely SLOOOOOWer than it ever was. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 18:30:43 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:30:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? References: <1ca.25f625b6.2e296e97@aol.com> Message-ID: <005f01c46b9d$affe90b0$d0f70cd1@VAIO> Ok Bill, everyone is saying it is "turtle" slow right now. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? > Paul; > > I am going to send this message and see how long it takes to come back to me. > > Thanks, > > Bill. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From BillMil357 at aol.com Fri Jul 16 18:38:40 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:38:40 EDT Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? Message-ID: <1d3.26168ad3.2e29dd20@aol.com> Hi Paul; I finally got the message back that I sent you on the SEL this afternoon it took 6 or 7 hours. Thanks, Bill. From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 19:30:08 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:30:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! References: <008001c46b39$61f39dc0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> <002c01c46b70$1a0682c0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: <00c301c46ba5$fccee590$d0f70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Harry I would love to see your pictures, I am getting desperate. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Terpstra" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Stover Help! > Paul , > > I have an early 3 HP Stover YB, with the original fuel saver on. > I can take pictures for you to see if this is what you need. > If it is exactly the same, I could have one cast for you. > I doubt if they are the same though as your engine is about 11000 earlier > than my YB. > > > Harry Terpstra > Sint Anna Parochie > Netherlands > h.terpstra at wxs.nl > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: "Stationary Engine List" > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 3:32 PM > Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! > > > > Folks you all know that I have been trying for years to find the right > Fuel > > Saver Arm for my 1905 Vertical Stover. I thought I had finally succeeded > > when my good friend John Billings wrote me that he had purchased a Stover > > and he thought it had the exact arm on it I needed. Not only did John give > > me this information but he immediately offered to take his arm off and > have > > one cast for me and send it to me. John took the part off of his Stover, > had > > one cast for me, and then machined it and sent it to me.......what a > > friend...... > > > > I got the parts in last Friday and excitedly ran out to the shop to > install > > them. It became apparent immediately that this was not the right arm. I am > > enclosing pictures of my Stover Head without the rocker arm and fuel saver > > arm installed and then I show the head with the rocker arm and the new > fuel > > saver arm that John made for me. The pictures will affirm the following: > > > > The bevel grind that John put on the arm (which was correct for his > engine) > > is on the wrong side for my setup. Although this is wrong this would be an > > easy fix if this was all that was wrong. > > > > Also you will not that the arm will have to have a right hand bend in it > to > > properly work as now it is as close as it can get the to contact plate on > > the valve. I know that cast iron cannot be bent but I now have the basic > > design of the arm and by having this part I can calculate the amount of > bend > > I would need in a correct arm. I have confirmed, by looking at the wear > > pattern on the rocker arm finger that the fuel saver arm did set on the > head > > at this exact angle thus also confirming that the arm did originally have > a > > bend in it in order to reach the valve contact plate. Here are pictures of > > my head and parts: > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/163076625/163077139KGQWJV > > > > I am searching for several things at this point. It is obvious to me that > > Stover installed many different fuel saver arms on his engines as there > are > > many configurations out in the engine world. I would love to find someone > > who has my exact setup as this would make it easier for me to redesign the > > parts I have and make them work. I also need an understanding of just how > > this fuel saver arm works and should be set up. > > > > I not only want to get my engine setup but, after all of the problems I > have > > encountered, I want to put together a small booklet on Stover Fuel Saver > > Arms and make this available to the engine public (free - only cost > postage > > to mail to you). I would appreciate all of the pictures I could get of > > Stover Fuel Saver Arms advising me of the following: > > > > Year and Model of Engine the Fuel Saver Arm is On. > > Model Number and Serial Number of Engine > > Horse of Engine > > Your Name (if you want to give it) > > > > I will compile this information into a colored brochure, or booklet, and > > make it available to anyone who would want one. > > > > Thanks and I am looking forward to hearing from all of you Stover Owners > who > > have engines with Fuel Saver Arms on them. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Paul > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 19:56:15 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:56:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Message response time Message-ID: <00e201c46ba9$a2e92550$d0f70cd1@VAIO> Well folks it looks like it is taking anywhere from 6 to 7 hours for any SEL message to make it's flight through cyberspace to the List Members, gosh if it gets any slower we will have to go the dreaded land lines to communicate. I think someone needs to change the mag on the server engine, might run faster...what do you think, maybe a new fuel pump to. Paul From Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com Fri Jul 16 20:20:51 2004 From: Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com (Stojanov) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 23:20:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Another engine- Arco Spray rig References: <1ca.25f625b6.2e296e97@aol.com> Message-ID: <006001c46bad$10960d40$666c4342@yourtwa0macjqu> Dear List, I bought an Arco engine and rig last Friday, and managed to bring it home today. It was only a mile from my home, go figure! Anyways, it has a Hercules 11/2hp GH with WICO EK, brass Lunkenheimer mixer, hopper lid, and tin crank guard. The Hardie pump is still with the rig, I don't know if the wand and fittings are original or not (they look too new, not brass, aluminum), and they have rigged a wooden barrel as the tank. I would like to find a more suitable tank for this rig, it would be a smaller model I beleive, as it only appears that it had 1 axel, the one on their now. It has a hitch on it, it looks fairly original. So, my main goal as of now is to find a spray tank, and wand, if possible. The engine and pump need work. They are both stuck, the bearings are loose on the engine, but there are shims left in them. It should get a new rocker arm, and a muffler to be original. The oiler is not original, but not a big deal. I am going to work on it for these next few weeks until she is running, I would like to take this engine to the NYSEA show (Pageant of Steam). If I happen to run across a sprayer tank, I will open it and place a plastic drum in it, so the tank is a dummy. I think it will turn out to be a nice project. I will let you all know how it turns out. Unfortunately, I cannot post a picture right now, as I broke my digital camera on the 1st outing for this engine! See ya. Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Jul 17 01:15:29 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 09:15:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? In-Reply-To: <1d3.26168ad3.2e29dd20@aol.com> References: <1d3.26168ad3.2e29dd20@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:38:40 EDT, you wrote: >Hi Paul; > >I finally got the message back that I sent you on the SEL this afternoon it >took 6 or 7 hours. > >Thanks, > >Bill. That seems to be a server problem, either through telco access being restricted or by bandwith restrictions? Oldengine was running at less than a minute turnround time recently, but that has also had its problems over the years. Now that Spencer has had to take the system out from his business that he sold, he probably does not have the resources to give the higher speeds, so perhaps we should be asking him if we can help in any (collective) way ? Certainly we should all be prepared to offer our help to the guy after all he has done for the engine movement over the years. If it is a question of new hardware or something like that, we could start a collection right now. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Jul 17 01:50:00 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:50:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! In-Reply-To: <002c01c46b70$1a0682c0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: <200407170850.i6H8o1LO021789@heavyiron.atis.net> I took some more pictures today to more clearly show the fuel savers on Stovers. I have added these to the pictures that were already on my Stover pages. This photo shows the head of Ron's YB with everything in place (ignore the lifting lugs on the head bolts): http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/0902yb7.jpg This is a rather naked view of the head of my YB: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/0902yb8.jpg Here are two views of the fuel saver on Ron's YB with the rocker removed: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/04071701.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/04071702.JPG I am not 100% sure of the workings of the fuel saver but if you consider that the exhaust valve is already held open so there is not a huge amount of vacuum left to suck open the intake valve. All the fuel saver needs to do is to add a little tension to the intake valve spring and the valve will not open. A slightly different style of Stover fuel saver can be seen on my DX (6hp) horizontal. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/04071703.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/04071704.JPG The YB and YC fuel savers are identical and the YA engines were not fitted with fuel savers. The horizontal and vertical engine fuel savers seem to be identical in operating principle but are just pivoted differently due to the different layout of the rocker and valves. My YC does not have a fuel saver as it is a throttle governed engine so the exhaust valve is never latched out. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Jul 17 03:47:02 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 10:47:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Stover Model "C" Engines Message-ID: <071720041047.21121.187@mchsi.com> Hi Patrick, If I could trouble you for both that might help the friend. Just the head asy shots are critical showing rocker arm and valve asys up close if possible. thankyou, Curt > Hi Curt, > Would the later Type C Stover have the same fuel saver (or similar) > as the YB and YC engines? Or possibly the horizontal engines? I could help > with pics of these. > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > > > I am looking for owners of Stover Model "C" Engines as I have one but need > to > help a friend restore his. His head is newer design and stover changed the > fuel saver lever asy so we need to fabricate or modify one to get working. > Any and all detailed pics would be grately appreciated. > Thankyou in advance, > Curt Andree > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 05:01:07 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 07:01:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? References: <1d3.26168ad3.2e29dd20@aol.com> Message-ID: <00a901c46bf5$c2a131c0$def70cd1@VAIO> Peter I hear you and I could not agree more, if OLE Spencer needs something and we can get it for him I will be in line to donate to the cause. Excellent comment Peter. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? > On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:38:40 EDT, you wrote: > > >Hi Paul; > > > >I finally got the message back that I sent you on the SEL this afternoon it > >took 6 or 7 hours. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Bill. > > That seems to be a server problem, either through telco access being restricted > or by bandwith restrictions? > > Oldengine was running at less than a minute turnround time recently, but that > has also had its problems over the years. > > Now that Spencer has had to take the system out from his business that he sold, > he probably does not have the resources to give the higher speeds, so perhaps we > should be asking him if we can help in any (collective) way ? > > Certainly we should all be prepared to offer our help to the guy after all he > has done for the engine movement over the years. If it is a question of new > hardware or something like that, we could start a collection right now. > > Peter > > -- > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Jul 17 05:21:53 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:21:53 +0100 Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? In-Reply-To: References: <1d3.26168ad3.2e29dd20@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 09:15:29 +0100, you wrote: My response took 4 hours almost exactly to appear in my inbox. This is posted at 13.21 UK BST. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 05:26:55 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 07:26:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! References: <20040717004209.89801.qmail@web20228.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00bc01c46bf9$5b4eb4d0$def70cd1@VAIO> Good Morning Joe, Joe I think you may just be right about your analysis of the setup. I have never had a fuel saver arm since I acquired this engine. But thanks to my good friend John Billings I now have the one that you see in the pictures. I also, up until now, never understood how the darn thing was suppose to work but as you, Arnie, and Curt have now done an excellent job in explaining to me how it works I can see that this may be the right setup. You are right, the exhaust valve is closed and right now it is "stuck" so I cannot depress it any further until I get it unstuck. I will start today loosening the valves up and you are probably right, once the exhaust valve is depressed there should be enough movement to let the arm swing under the intake valve. Right now the skirt on the bottom part of the fuel saver arm is a little long thus keeping the arm elevated to high on the pivot pin. This can be easily taken care of allowing the arm to fit down on the pivot pin and the top of the arm to be flush with the top of the pivot pin. Also the spring is currently applying reverse tension to the arm, in other words it is causing the fuel saver arm to spring away from the intake valve and not towards the valve as this was the way John's setup worked. I will need to get another spring or maybe I can modify this one, don't know much about anything and especially winding or modifying springs. John had ground the bevel on the arm on the wrong side for me but the right side for his engine. This also can be easily taken care of, just braze this area back up and then dress it down to achieve the square look again. I am going to take the head back out to the shop and put some penetrating oil on the stems and let it soak today while I continue to work on wiring up my son's new home today and just maybe when I get in later this afternoon the valves will be loose enough so I can depress them and I bet when I do you will be right, there will be enough movement that will allow the arm to swing under the intake valve washer which would hold it closed. Thanks Joe, Arnie, Curt, Patrick, and to anyone else I have missed that has written in about this issue. It is great to be able to call upon such knowledge. Man I am feeling better about everything now and I cannot wait to get back to the shop tonight and work on loosening up the valves and getting started in this engine. I am still wanting to develop a colored brochure/booklet on all of the different style fuel saver arms that Stover made so as I get the pictures in I will add them to an album and make them available for all to see. Thanks folks and keep those cards and letters coming in, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Prindle" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Stover Help! > I fail to understand what the problem is with the set up that you have > pictured. The fuel saver arm should only be doing its job when the exhaust > valve is being held open. In the photos it looks like it fits good, the > intake valve is free to open. If the exhaust valve were held open, the > little finger on the bottom of the rocker arm would move out of the way so > that the torsion spring that belongs on the fuel saver could swing the > fuel saver over under the washer on the intake valve and keep the intake > valve from being sucked open by the air rushing in and out of the cylinder > while the engine is on the miss strokes. The fuel saver arm comes into > play only when the exhaust rocker arm is holding the exhaust valve open. > In the photos, it does not look like the rocker arm is holding the exhaust > valve open, so the fuel saver should not be in position under the washer > on the intake valve. > It looks to me like what you have pictured is very close to being a > working assembly, with little more than a little handiwork with a file > needed to make it all fit together nicely. > Perhaps I am not looking at this right, but it looks pretty good to me. > Joe > > ===== > Joe Prindle > Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist > See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: > www.tznet.com/jprindle > Our Club: > www.badgersteamandgas.com > See Yoo in Baraboo! > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 05:31:25 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 07:31:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! References: <200407170850.i6H8o1LO021789@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <00cf01c46bf9$fc6ae870$def70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Patrick, more great shots and these go a long way into understanding the setup. I think I am now on my way to making this thing work. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 3:50 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Need Stover Help! > I took some more pictures today to more clearly show the fuel savers on > Stovers. I have added these to the pictures that were already on my Stover > pages. > This photo shows the head of Ron's YB with everything in place (ignore the > lifting lugs on the head bolts): > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/0902yb7.jpg > This is a rather naked view of the head of my YB: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/0902yb8.jpg > Here are two views of the fuel saver on Ron's YB with the rocker removed: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/04071701.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/04071702.JPG > > I am not 100% sure of the workings of the fuel saver but if you consider > that the exhaust valve is already held open so there is not a huge amount of > vacuum left to suck open the intake valve. All the fuel saver needs to do is > to add a little tension to the intake valve spring and the valve will not > open. > A slightly different style of Stover fuel saver can be seen on my DX (6hp) > horizontal. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/04071703.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/04071704.JPG > > The YB and YC fuel savers are identical and the YA engines were not fitted > with fuel savers. The horizontal and vertical engine fuel savers seem to be > identical in operating principle but are just pivoted differently due to the > different layout of the rocker and valves. > My YC does not have a fuel saver as it is a throttle governed engine so the > exhaust valve is never latched out. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 05:32:31 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 07:32:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover Model "C" Engines References: <071720041047.21121.187@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <00e001c46bfa$2363b6f0$def70cd1@VAIO> Hey Curt we are getting there with the help of our good friends on the list. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 5:47 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Stover Model "C" Engines > Hi Patrick, > If I could trouble you for both that might help the friend. Just the head asy > shots are critical showing rocker arm and valve asys up close if possible. > thankyou, > Curt > > Hi Curt, > > Would the later Type C Stover have the same fuel saver (or similar) > > as the YB and YC engines? Or possibly the horizontal engines? I could help > > with pics of these. > > Patrick > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > > Leichhardt NSW > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Sat Jul 17 05:35:21 2004 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 22:35:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! Message-ID: Hi Paul. I was helping a friend with his YB Stover recently (1917) and the fuel saver was double ended and I am fairly sure it was positioned on the opossite side of the inlet valve to yours. I also have a friend with a horizontal and the fuel saver on it is more like the one in your photos. Is it possible you have the wrong lever(perhaps off a type C horizontal).. I can't really see how yours could work as when the rocker moves downward it will push the lever away from the valve instead of towards it. I could be entirely wrong here but it is just a thought. Regards, Lyndsay in OZ >From: "Paul Maples" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine List" >Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! >Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:32:43 -0500 > >Folks you all know that I have been trying for years to find the right Fuel >Saver Arm for my 1905 Vertical Stover. I thought I had finally succeeded >when my good friend John Billings wrote me that he had purchased a Stover >and he thought it had the exact arm on it I needed. Not only did John give >me this information but he immediately offered to take his arm off and have >one cast for me and send it to me. John took the part off of his Stover, >had >one cast for me, and then machined it and sent it to me.......what a >friend...... > >I got the parts in last Friday and excitedly ran out to the shop to install >them. It became apparent immediately that this was not the right arm. I am >enclosing pictures of my Stover Head without the rocker arm and fuel saver >arm installed and then I show the head with the rocker arm and the new fuel >saver arm that John made for me. The pictures will affirm the following: > >The bevel grind that John put on the arm (which was correct for his engine) >is on the wrong side for my setup. Although this is wrong this would be an >easy fix if this was all that was wrong. > >Also you will not that the arm will have to have a right hand bend in it to >properly work as now it is as close as it can get the to contact plate on >the valve. I know that cast iron cannot be bent but I now have the basic >design of the arm and by having this part I can calculate the amount of >bend >I would need in a correct arm. I have confirmed, by looking at the wear >pattern on the rocker arm finger that the fuel saver arm did set on the >head >at this exact angle thus also confirming that the arm did originally have a >bend in it in order to reach the valve contact plate. Here are pictures of >my head and parts: > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/163076625/163077139KGQWJV > >I am searching for several things at this point. It is obvious to me that >Stover installed many different fuel saver arms on his engines as there are >many configurations out in the engine world. I would love to find someone >who has my exact setup as this would make it easier for me to redesign the >parts I have and make them work. I also need an understanding of just how >this fuel saver arm works and should be set up. > >I not only want to get my engine setup but, after all of the problems I >have >encountered, I want to put together a small booklet on Stover Fuel Saver >Arms and make this available to the engine public (free - only cost postage >to mail to you). I would appreciate all of the pictures I could get of >Stover Fuel Saver Arms advising me of the following: > >Year and Model of Engine the Fuel Saver Arm is On. >Model Number and Serial Number of Engine >Horse of Engine >Your Name (if you want to give it) > >I will compile this information into a colored brochure, or booklet, and >make it available to anyone who would want one. > >Thanks and I am looking forward to hearing from all of you Stover Owners >who >have engines with Fuel Saver Arms on them. > >Thanks, > >Paul > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Looking to buy a new house? Try http://property.ninemsn.com.au/ From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Jul 17 05:35:23 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 08:35:23 EDT Subject: [SEL] great engine week Message-ID: <1dd.267ca18d.2e2a770b@aol.com> Look what the trailer was able to haul home this week. Economy cart with saw rig: http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mvc-013f.jpg Economy cart with engine and saw rig: http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mvc-016f.jpg Now to find a cheap Webster mag and bracket, unstick it and go to work! Of course if that does not work, Millie will make the auctioneer happy when the time comes!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 05:52:09 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 07:52:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover Engine Fuel Saver References: <200407170721139.SM00237@psmtp.com> Message-ID: <00e601c46bfc$e22f7c70$def70cd1@VAIO> Hey Guys since we all need a laugh every once in a while I thought I would share my stuck valve story with you. I just sent out a message on the SEL in response to Joe Prindle's message to me and I told him that I thought he was right, if the exhaust valve was depressed and the finger on the rocker arm move downward then there might be enough movement that the fuel saver arm would actually move over under the intake valve washer. BUT, I told Joe, and the whole world, that my valves were stuck and I would have to get them loosened up before I would know. Now there was a very good reason the valves were stuck. I have the head off and setting on the table when I took all of the pictures that everyone is seeing. I had tried to depress the valves to check out Joe's theory and they would not move so obviously they were stuck right......WRONG, The darn head must weight 30# or more and since the head, with the face of the valves, were setting flush on the table there was no way I could depress the valves.......dumb, but laughable so having already admitted my dumbness to everyone in other posts I was not ashamed to share this with you. Like someone said yesterday on the List about themselves, the same applies to me, I am eat up with the dumb's but I stay away from the stupids, ha, ha. I picked up the head and took it to the shop just now to put some penetrating oil on the stems and as I was turning the head up on it's side so I could apply oil to the stem the darn valves started working, moving in and out easily. I still applied oil to them. I have to run now and start on the house wiring but as soon as I get in I will check out the movement with the exhaust valve depressed and see if the fuel saver arm will swing under the intake valve washer. I hope that I stay away from the dumbs on wiring this house or my son and his family may be in trouble. I will be back on line later this afternoon. Keep the cards and letters coming in on this subject. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'Paul Maples'" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 7:21 AM Subject: RE: Fuel Savers > Hi Paul, > That fuel saver is on my DX horizontal. I was beginning to suspect > that it would be what you were looking for. The standard horizontals changed > very little in their production run and the early verticals seem to have > been based on their design. The later verticals appear to be a design step > from the standard horizontals and early verticals to the 'Junior' range. > The fuel saver lever is of very simple construction, it seems to be > fabricated and not cast. I would not worry too much about it as they are not > essential for the running of the engine and do not do a lot. Having a strong > valve spring will do the same job. It was a bit of an advertising gimmick a > bit like the "Stover single rod engines". > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > -----Original Message----- > > > Great pictures Patrick, your picture #1703 looks almost like the setup I am > trying get to. The pivot pin on this head is directly in front of the rocker > arm stanchion where my sets off to one side but the fuel saver arm is > setting at the same angle as mine is setting right now. Thanks a million for > the pictures, they will be part of the brochure/booklet of Stover Fuel Saver > Arms. > > I may be getting back to you to see if I can get a few more detail shots of > the #1703 head picture. > > Paul > > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jul 17 07:39:11 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 08:39:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] great engine week References: <1dd.267ca18d.2e2a770b@aol.com> Message-ID: Congrats Tom! Guess we know what you'll be doing for the rest of the summer. Good Luck!!! She's a beauty! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 6:35 AM Subject: [SEL] great engine week > Look what the trailer was able to haul home this week. > > Economy cart with saw rig: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mvc-013f.jpg > > Economy cart with engine and saw rig: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mvc-016f.jpg > > Now to find a cheap Webster mag and bracket, unstick it and go to work! > > Of course if that does not work, Millie will make the auctioneer happy > when > the time comes!! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Sat Jul 17 07:54:47 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 10:54:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Weekly Plea for Transportation Help References: <01ab01c46b6d$58306370$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <000d01c46c0e$0250acc0$4ed7f504@x8h7l9> Paul, If you could get it down to I-80, I could pick it up on my way to Portland, Ind. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 3:44 PM Subject: [SEL] Weekly Plea for Transportation Help > Ok Gang once again I am submitting my weekly plea for transportation help to > get my fodder chopper hauled from George Woodzell's house in Schenectady, NY > to Ivan Cousins place in Clarion, Pa or to Portland. Ivan has graciously > consented to haul it from his place in Clarion, Pa to Portland if someone > can get it to him there. As I have said in previous posts George hauled the > chopper from Massachusetts to his home in Schenectady in the back of his > Volvo station wagon so it is not a big piece of equipment. If anyone can > help me please contact me via e-mail or via phone at 501-230-8229. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From don.h at wcoil.com Sat Jul 17 10:36:12 2004 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:36:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover Engine Fuel Saver References: <200407170721139.SM00237@psmtp.com> <00e601c46bfc$e22f7c70$def70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <000501c46c24$8e3c1060$6401a8c0@shop> Hey Paul dont get the GAS lines mixed up with the Letric. in the house!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 8:52 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover Engine Fuel Saver > Hey Guys since we all need a laugh every once in a while I thought I would > share my stuck valve story with you. I just sent out a message on the SEL in > response to Joe Prindle's message to me and I told him that I thought he was > right, if the exhaust valve was depressed and the finger on the rocker arm > move downward then there might be enough movement that the fuel saver arm > would actually move over under the intake valve washer. BUT, I told Joe, and > the whole world, that my valves were stuck and I would have to get them > loosened up before I would know. Now there was a very good reason the valves > were stuck. > > I have the head off and setting on the table when I took all of the pictures > that everyone is seeing. I had tried to depress the valves to check out > Joe's theory and they would not move so obviously they were stuck > right......WRONG, The darn head must weight 30# or more and since the head, > with the face of the valves, were setting flush on the table there was no > way I could depress the valves.......dumb, but laughable so having already > admitted my dumbness to everyone in other posts I was not ashamed to share > this with you. Like someone said yesterday on the List about themselves, the > same applies to me, I am eat up with the dumb's but I stay away from the > stupids, ha, ha. > > I picked up the head and took it to the shop just now to put some > penetrating oil on the stems and as I was turning the head up on it's side > so I could apply oil to the stem the darn valves started working, moving in > and out easily. I still applied oil to them. I have to run now and start on > the house wiring but as soon as I get in I will check out the movement with > the exhaust valve depressed and see if the fuel saver arm will swing under > the intake valve washer. I hope that I stay away from the dumbs on wiring > this house or my son and his family may be in trouble. I will be back on > line later this afternoon. Keep the cards and letters coming in on this > subject. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > To: "'Paul Maples'" > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 7:21 AM > Subject: RE: Fuel Savers > > > > Hi Paul, > > That fuel saver is on my DX horizontal. I was beginning to suspect > > that it would be what you were looking for. The standard horizontals > changed > > very little in their production run and the early verticals seem to have > > been based on their design. The later verticals appear to be a design step > > from the standard horizontals and early verticals to the 'Junior' range. > > The fuel saver lever is of very simple construction, it seems to be > > fabricated and not cast. I would not worry too much about it as they are > not > > essential for the running of the engine and do not do a lot. Having a > strong > > valve spring will do the same job. It was a bit of an advertising gimmick > a > > bit like the "Stover single rod engines". > > Patrick > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > > Leichhardt NSW > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > Great pictures Patrick, your picture #1703 looks almost like the setup I > am > > trying get to. The pivot pin on this head is directly in front of the > rocker > > arm stanchion where my sets off to one side but the fuel saver arm is > > setting at the same angle as mine is setting right now. Thanks a million > for > > the pictures, they will be part of the brochure/booklet of Stover Fuel > Saver > > Arms. > > > > I may be getting back to you to see if I can get a few more detail shots > of > > the #1703 head picture. > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From driggars at earthlink.net Sat Jul 17 10:47:23 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:47:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? References: <1d3.26168ad3.2e29dd20@aol.com> Message-ID: <00e501c46c26$2528bb80$f41be204@clinton> My Test for response time, 12:46 CST Clint From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Jul 17 10:56:12 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:56:12 +0100 Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? In-Reply-To: <00e501c46c26$2528bb80$f41be204@clinton> References: <1d3.26168ad3.2e29dd20@aol.com> <00e501c46c26$2528bb80$f41be204@clinton> Message-ID: <6vpif05nvtp77oddeg1kjobeoktc1vunb0@4ax.com> On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:47:23 -0500, you wrote: >My Test for response time, 12:46 CST > > >Clint Turned up here at 19.50 UK BST, that is not Bull-Sh*t Time either!... :-)) Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sat Jul 17 11:18:54 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 20:18:54 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! References: <008001c46b39$61f39dc0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> <002c01c46b70$1a0682c0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> <00c301c46ba5$fccee590$d0f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <003c01c46c2a$87945cd0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Paul, I looked at the pictures you posted, and like Joe, I think it's really close to be working properly. On your pics the rocker arm is not in "freewheel" position. I guess it should work now with the right spring to push it under the valve keeper. Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sat Jul 17 12:28:01 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 21:28:01 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Famous magneto question. References: <20040717004209.89801.qmail@web20228.mail.yahoo.com> <00bc01c46bf9$5b4eb4d0$def70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <006601c46c34$30a3d900$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Hi folks, I'm currently restoring a Webster bracket for a 1914 6 HP International Famous. Unfortunately the magneto is not the original, and they made it to fit the bracket. There are still some things that I don't really understand. Like the advance device, and there is a hole drilled in the bracket, that I don't see any use for. Is there anyone that has pictures of Webster bracket for an IHC Famous? Thanks, Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 14:12:24 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:12:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Weekly Plea for Transportation Help References: <01ab01c46b6d$58306370$e1f70cd1@VAIO> <000d01c46c0e$0250acc0$4ed7f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <012301c46c42$c6f2d1a0$def70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Ed, let me see what I can do. I am hoping I can get something going as there are several people willing to help if I can just get it in the right place at the right time. Thanks for the offer of help, it is GREATLY appreciated. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "ED" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Weekly Plea for Transportation Help > Paul, > > If you could get it down to I-80, I could pick it up on my way to Portland, > Ind. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: "Stationary Engine List" > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 3:44 PM > Subject: [SEL] Weekly Plea for Transportation Help > > > > Ok Gang once again I am submitting my weekly plea for transportation help > to > > get my fodder chopper hauled from George Woodzell's house in Schenectady, > NY > > to Ivan Cousins place in Clarion, Pa or to Portland. Ivan has graciously > > consented to haul it from his place in Clarion, Pa to Portland if someone > > can get it to him there. As I have said in previous posts George hauled > the > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 14:14:32 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:14:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover Engine Fuel Saver References: <200407170721139.SM00237@psmtp.com><00e601c46bfc$e22f7c70$def70cd1@VAIO> <000501c46c24$8e3c1060$6401a8c0@shop> Message-ID: <015001c46c43$11158c50$def70cd1@VAIO> WOW, thanks for this timely advice Don, I certainly will watch out for that one. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "don" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Stover Engine Fuel Saver > Hey Paul dont get the GAS lines mixed up with the Letric. in the > house!!!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 17 14:24:20 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:24:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Famous magneto question. References: <20040717004209.89801.qmail@web20228.mail.yahoo.com><00bc01c46bf9$5b4eb4d0$def70cd1@VAIO> <006601c46c34$30a3d900$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: <002801c46c44$6d066c90$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Are you speaking of a hole that is about .375 in diameter and runs from the front of the engine to the rear ? Or are you speaking of a hole that is behind the advance quadrent and runs perpendicular to the path of the piston ? Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Terpstra" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 2:28 PM Subject: [SEL] Famous magneto question. > Hi folks, > > I'm currently restoring a Webster bracket for a 1914 6 HP International > Famous. > Unfortunately the magneto is not the original, and they made it to fit the > bracket. > > There are still some things that I don't really understand. > Like the advance device, and there is a hole drilled in the bracket, that I > don't see any use for. > Is there anyone that has pictures of Webster bracket for an IHC Famous? > > Thanks, > > Harry Terpstra > Sint Anna Parochie > Netherlands > h.terpstra at wxs.nl > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 14:23:53 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:23:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! References: <008001c46b39$61f39dc0$e1f70cd1@VAIO><002c01c46b70$1a0682c0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb><00c301c46ba5$fccee590$d0f70cd1@VAIO> <003c01c46c2a$87945cd0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: <01a301c46c45$11068640$def70cd1@VAIO> Harry even with the exhaust valve depressed the fuel saver arm still doesn't quite come into contact with the valve keeper. It looks like I will need to make one out of steel and put a slight bend in it. I have seen some of these fuel saver arms that was bent on the end (they were original). I use to have some pictures of them but you guessed it, they were stored on the computer and was lost in the crash. This time I am downloading all of my pictures onto a disk to make sure this does not happen again. I appreciate you Harry. Don't forget to resend me your address. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Terpstra" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Stover Help! > Paul, > I looked at the pictures you posted, and like Joe, I think it's really close > to be working properly. > On your pics the rocker arm is not in "freewheel" position. > I guess it should work now with the right spring to push it under the valve > keeper. > > > Harry Terpstra > Sint Anna Parochie > Netherlands > h.terpstra at wxs.nl > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From don.h at wcoil.com Sat Jul 17 14:51:08 2004 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:51:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover Engine Fuel Saver References: <200407170721139.SM00237@psmtp.com><00e601c46bfc$e22f7c70$def70cd1@VAIO><000501c46c24$8e3c1060$6401a8c0@shop> <015001c46c43$11158c50$def70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <000901c46c48$2b3c1720$6401a8c0@shop> Your more then welcome Paul ...all in jest by the way I cant seem to find my tools when there right in front of me so maybee theres a cure for our misfortune hi hi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Stover Engine Fuel Saver > WOW, thanks for this timely advice Don, I certainly will watch out for that > one. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "don" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 12:36 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Stover Engine Fuel Saver > > > > Hey Paul dont get the GAS lines mixed up with the Letric. in the > > house!!!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Maples" > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 14:58:03 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:58:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! References: <008001c46b39$61f39dc0$e1f70cd1@VAIO><002c01c46b70$1a0682c0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb><00c301c46ba5$fccee590$d0f70cd1@VAIO> <003c01c46c2a$87945cd0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: <01cd01c46c49$25605860$def70cd1@VAIO> Hello Harry, Harry, I would be interested to know how far does your fuel saver arm go up under the valve keeper? If I depress the intake valve all the way down until the fuel saver arm is high as it can go on the rocker arm then the fuel saver arm is approximately 1/8" under the valve keeper. However when I look at the wear pattern on the rocker arm where the fuel saver rubs against it I see that the original fuel saver arm never went that high. If I push the rocker arm down to where the fuel saver arm matches the old wear pattern on the rocker arm then I am just barely contacting the valve keeper and not going under it. Looking at the bottom of the valve keeper it looks as though the original fuel saver arm must have slid up under the valve keeper about a 1/4", maybe a little more. How far does your rocker arm push your intake valve down before it starts retracting, I am trying to get sense of how much downward movement is normal for the intake valve. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Terpstra" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Stover Help! > Paul, > I looked at the pictures you posted, and like Joe, I think it's really close > to be working properly. > On your pics the rocker arm is not in "freewheel" position. > I guess it should work now with the right spring to push it under the valve > keeper. > > > Harry Terpstra > Sint Anna Parochie > Netherlands > h.terpstra at wxs.nl > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 15:02:09 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:02:09 -0500 Subject: Fw: [SEL] Need Stover Help! Message-ID: <01d901c46c49$b7bcc270$def70cd1@VAIO> Guys I meant to say depress the exhaust valve al the way down, not the intake valve. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Stover Help! > Hello Harry, > > Harry, I would be interested to know how far does your fuel saver arm go up > under the valve keeper? If I depress the intake valve all the way down until > the fuel saver arm is high as it can go on the rocker arm then the fuel > saver arm is approximately 1/8" under the valve keeper. However when I look > at the wear pattern on the rocker arm where the fuel saver rubs against it I > see that the original fuel saver arm never went that high. If I push the > rocker arm down to where the fuel saver arm matches the old wear pattern on > the rocker arm then I am just barely contacting the valve keeper and not > going under it. > > Looking at the bottom of the valve keeper it looks as though the original > fuel saver arm must have slid up under the valve keeper about a 1/4", maybe > a little more. > > How far does your rocker arm push your intake valve down before it starts > retracting, I am trying to get sense of how much downward movement is normal > for the intake valve. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harry Terpstra" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:18 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Stover Help! > > > > Paul, > > I looked at the pictures you posted, and like Joe, I think it's really > close > > to be working properly. > > On your pics the rocker arm is not in "freewheel" position. > > I guess it should work now with the right spring to push it under the > valve > > keeper. > > > > > > Harry Terpstra > > Sint Anna Parochie > > Netherlands > > h.terpstra at wxs.nl > > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 15:17:05 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:17:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! References: Message-ID: <01f601c46c4b$cdcb3450$def70cd1@VAIO> Hello Lyndsay, You are right Lyndsay, this rocker arm came off of a horizontal engine, well not really this one, but the original one that this was cast from came off of a horizontal engine and this probably accounts for the slight difference in the arms. The fuel saver arm has a torsion spring on it that is suppose to move the fuel saver arm over and under the intake valve keeper when the exhaust valve is depressed thus locking out the intake valve during the exhaust stroke. The pictures may be deceiving but as the rocker arm goes down it actually allows for the fuel saver arm to advance forward under the Intake Valve Keeper. The design of the rocker arm, with the actuating finger hanging down from it, is such that as the rocker arm comes up it actually pushes the arm away from the intake valve, as it goes down the spring drives the arm towards the Intake valve. Do you have any pictures of your friends YB fuel saver arm or your other friend's type C horizontal fuel saver arm? I would love to see them. Thanks, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyndsay Frazer" To: Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 7:35 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Need Stover Help! > Hi Paul. > I was helping a friend with his YB Stover recently (1917) and the > fuel saver was double ended and I am fairly sure it was positioned on the > opossite side of the inlet valve to yours. I also have a friend with a > horizontal and the fuel saver on it is more like the one in your photos. Is > it possible you have the wrong lever(perhaps off a type C horizontal).. I > can't really see how yours could work as when the rocker moves downward it > will push the lever away from the valve instead of towards it. > I could be entirely wrong here but it is just a thought. > > Regards, > Lyndsay in OZ > > > > > > >From: "Paul Maples" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "Stationary Engine List" > >Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! > >Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:32:43 -0500 > > > >Folks you all know that I have been trying for years to find the right Fuel > >Saver Arm for my 1905 Vertical Stover. I thought I had finally succeeded > >when my good friend John Billings wrote me that he had purchased a Stover > >and he thought it had the exact arm on it I needed. Not only did John give > >me this information but he immediately offered to take his arm off and have > >one cast for me and send it to me. John took the part off of his Stover, > >had > >one cast for me, and then machined it and sent it to me.......what a > >friend...... > > > >I got the parts in last Friday and excitedly ran out to the shop to install > >them. It became apparent immediately that this was not the right arm. I am > >enclosing pictures of my Stover Head without the rocker arm and fuel saver > >arm installed and then I show the head with the rocker arm and the new fuel > >saver arm that John made for me. The pictures will affirm the following: > > > >The bevel grind that John put on the arm (which was correct for his engine) > >is on the wrong side for my setup. Although this is wrong this would be an > >easy fix if this was all that was wrong. > > > >Also you will not that the arm will have to have a right hand bend in it to > >properly work as now it is as close as it can get the to contact plate on > >the valve. I know that cast iron cannot be bent but I now have the basic > >design of the arm and by having this part I can calculate the amount of > >bend > >I would need in a correct arm. I have confirmed, by looking at the wear > >pattern on the rocker arm finger that the fuel saver arm did set on the > >head > >at this exact angle thus also confirming that the arm did originally have a > >bend in it in order to reach the valve contact plate. Here are pictures of > >my head and parts: > > > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/163076625/163077139KGQWJV > > > >I am searching for several things at this point. It is obvious to me that > >Stover installed many different fuel saver arms on his engines as there are > >many configurations out in the engine world. I would love to find someone > >who has my exact setup as this would make it easier for me to redesign the > >parts I have and make them work. I also need an understanding of just how > >this fuel saver arm works and should be set up. > > > >I not only want to get my engine setup but, after all of the problems I > >have > >encountered, I want to put together a small booklet on Stover Fuel Saver > >Arms and make this available to the engine public (free - only cost postage > >to mail to you). I would appreciate all of the pictures I could get of > >Stover Fuel Saver Arms advising me of the following: > > > >Year and Model of Engine the Fuel Saver Arm is On. > >Model Number and Serial Number of Engine > >Horse of Engine > >Your Name (if you want to give it) > > > >I will compile this information into a colored brochure, or booklet, and > >make it available to anyone who would want one. > > > >Thanks and I am looking forward to hearing from all of you Stover Owners > >who > >have engines with Fuel Saver Arms on them. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Paul > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Looking to buy a new house? Try http://property.ninemsn.com.au/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 15:36:10 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:36:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover Fuel Saver Arm Message-ID: <020701c46c4e$7891b380$def70cd1@VAIO> I found the picture that a guy out west sent me about a year ago, he said this came off of an early Stover. I am wondering if this is the type of arm I need as it has a bend in it. http://community.webshots.com/photo/164226936/164227114AHVirW What do you think? Paul From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 15:47:21 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:47:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down Message-ID: <021301c46c50$084c7b30$def70cd1@VAIO> Ok you computer guru's I need your help again. I am not completely stupid, almost but not quite there yet. I had enough sense about six months ago when I was having computer trouble before to go out and buy a 60 gig external hard drive and using Norton Ghost a friend of mine came over and did a complete backup of my hard drive. He said the option he selected was such that I cannot just hook up the hard drive to my computer and pick and choose the files I want, I have to completely download everything and this is all of the applications. He also said I would have to use Norton Ghost just to download the files again. Is there anyway I can hook up the external hard drive and see all of my files and then download just the ones I want or is what he said true, I can only do a complete backup onto my computer of the information that is on the external harddrive. Surely there is a way to see these files and to pull off what I want. So there it is gang, the challenge for all of the computer guru's, and I am confident that someone can tell me how to do this. By the way I now have Norton Internet Security on my computer which does not include Ghost.....does this make the challenge harder? I will appreciate any and all help you folks can give me and just maybe I might learn how to use this thing before I buy the farm as we say here in the South. Paul From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 15:49:40 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:49:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover Engine Fuel Saver References: <200407170721139.SM00237@psmtp.com><00e601c46bfc$e22f7c70$def70cd1@VAIO><000501c46c24$8e3c1060$6401a8c0@shop><015001c46c43$11158c50$def70cd1@VAIO> <000901c46c48$2b3c1720$6401a8c0@shop> Message-ID: <021901c46c50$5aabd290$def70cd1@VAIO> Heck Don I know your just having fun jabbing at me and I enjoy every minute of it. I get as much fun out of telling folks the fouls up I make as I do telling them when I do succeed in doing something right which is very rare. Have A Great Weekend. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "don" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Stover Engine Fuel Saver > Your more then welcome Paul ...all in jest by the way I cant seem to find my > tools when there right in front of me so maybee theres a cure for our > misfortune hi hi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 5:14 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Stover Engine Fuel Saver > > > > WOW, thanks for this timely advice Don, I certainly will watch out for > that > > one. > > > > Paul > > > > From edstoller at earthlink.net Sat Jul 17 16:18:36 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:18:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down References: <021301c46c50$084c7b30$def70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <003401c46c54$6424c300$798ff504@x8h7l9> Hello Paul, I don't consider my self a computer Guru but the approach to back up that I take is to save my files on a cd with a read write cd rom drive. The files are individually accessible. I file what I want to keep in several directories by subject and copy these directories to a the CD every once in a while. I try to be fussy about keeping a copy of the various programs and save there up dates to a file backed up to the CD. I don't use ghost. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 6:47 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down > Ok you computer guru's I need your help again. I am not completely stupid, > almost but not quite there yet. I had enough sense about six months ago when > I was having computer trouble before to go out and buy a 60 gig external > hard drive and using Norton Ghost a friend of mine came over and did a > complete backup of my hard drive. He said the option he selected was such > that I cannot just hook up the hard drive to my computer and pick and choose > the files I want, I have to completely download everything and this is all > of the applications. He also said I would have to use Norton Ghost just to > download the files again. > > Is there anyway I can hook up the external hard drive and see all of my > files and then download just the ones I want or is what he said true, I can > only do a complete backup onto my computer of the information that is on the > external harddrive. Surely there is a way to see these files and to pull off > what I want. > > So there it is gang, the challenge for all of the computer guru's, and I am > confident that someone can tell me how to do this. By the way I now have > Norton Internet Security on my computer which does not include > Ghost.....does this make the challenge harder? > > I will appreciate any and all help you folks can give me and just maybe I > might learn how to use this thing before I buy the farm as we say here in > the South. > > Paul > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 16:54:51 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:54:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down References: <021301c46c50$084c7b30$def70cd1@VAIO> <003401c46c54$6424c300$798ff504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <025801c46c59$7679cf00$def70cd1@VAIO> Sounds like a good idea Ed and I wish I had done the same, you live and learn. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "ED" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down > Hello Paul, > > I don't consider my self a computer Guru but the approach to back up that I > take is to save my files on a cd with a read write cd rom drive. The files > are individually accessible. I file what I want to keep in several > directories by subject and copy these directories to a the CD every once in > a while. I try to be fussy about keeping a copy of the various programs and From rholtzer at earthlink.net Sat Jul 17 16:59:01 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:59:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down In-Reply-To: <021301c46c50$084c7b30$def70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040717164921.00b7e0d8@mail.earthlink.net> I haven't used Ghost for quite a while. I used it to completely transfer the contents of a hard drive to another hard drive -- for upgrading to a bigger/faster hard drive. The new hard drive then physically replaced the old one. As I recall there were a number of options the program could carry out. Frankly I'd try hooking up the external hard drive and have Windows Explorer check out its contents. I've copied the boot drive to another internal hard drive and there has been no evident conflict, ie, the system doesn't try to boot from the copy since BIOS controls the initial boot device. Will be interested in other suggestions you get! Best wishes. Bob Holtzer At 05:47 PM 7/17/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Ok you computer guru's I need your help again. I am not completely stupid, >almost but not quite there yet. I had enough sense about six months ago when >I was having computer trouble before to go out and buy a 60 gig external >hard drive and using Norton Ghost a friend of mine came over and did a >complete backup of my hard drive. He said the option he selected was such >that I cannot just hook up the hard drive to my computer and pick and choose >the files I want, I have to completely download everything and this is all >of the applications. He also said I would have to use Norton Ghost just to >download the files again. > >Is there anyway I can hook up the external hard drive and see all of my >files and then download just the ones I want or is what he said true, I can >only do a complete backup onto my computer of the information that is on the >external harddrive. Surely there is a way to see these files and to pull off >what I want. > >So there it is gang, the challenge for all of the computer guru's, and I am >confident that someone can tell me how to do this. By the way I now have >Norton Internet Security on my computer which does not include >Ghost.....does this make the challenge harder? > >I will appreciate any and all help you folks can give me and just maybe I >might learn how to use this thing before I buy the farm as we say here in >the South. > >Paul > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 17:37:22 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:37:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down References: <4.2.2.20040717164921.00b7e0d8@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <026e01c46c5f$667ff010$def70cd1@VAIO> Bob, you don't think this will wipe out my present hard drive do you? or cause a conflict?. I have had my share of computer problems lately and just now got back on line and I am a little skeptical of trying anything that has the potential of causing me more trouble. I will wait for just a while longer to see if anyone may have done this and can advise me on it. I appreciate your input and if I get no other suggestions I will try your idea. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Holtzer" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down > I haven't used Ghost for quite a while. I used it to completely transfer > the contents of a hard drive to another hard drive -- for upgrading to a > bigger/faster hard drive. The new hard drive then physically replaced the > old one. As I recall there were a number of options the program could > carry out. > > Frankly I'd try hooking up the external hard drive and have Windows > Explorer check out its contents. I've copied the boot drive to another > internal hard drive and there has been no evident conflict, ie, the system > doesn't try to boot from the copy since BIOS controls the initial boot > device. Will be interested in other suggestions you get! Best wishes. > > Bob Holtzer > > At From rholtzer at earthlink.net Sat Jul 17 21:54:58 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 21:54:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down In-Reply-To: <026e01c46c5f$667ff010$def70cd1@VAIO> References: <4.2.2.20040717164921.00b7e0d8@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040717215351.00af55d0@mail.earthlink.net> I don't think it will -- but agree it is prudent to see if anyone else can help. I am not a guru by a long shot! Bob Holtzer At 07:37 PM 7/17/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Bob, you don't think this will wipe out my present hard drive do you? or >cause a conflict?. I have had my share of computer problems lately and just >now got back on line and I am a little skeptical of trying anything that has >the potential of causing me more trouble. I will wait for just a while >longer to see if anyone may have done this and can advise me on it. I >appreciate your input and if I get no other suggestions I will try your >idea. > >Paul > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Robert L. Holtzer" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 6:59 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down > > > > I haven't used Ghost for quite a while. I used it to completely transfer > > the contents of a hard drive to another hard drive -- for upgrading to a > > bigger/faster hard drive. The new hard drive then physically replaced the > > old one. As I recall there were a number of options the program could > > carry out. > > > > Frankly I'd try hooking up the external hard drive and have Windows > > Explorer check out its contents. I've copied the boot drive to another > > internal hard drive and there has been no evident conflict, ie, the system > > doesn't try to boot from the copy since BIOS controls the initial boot > > device. Will be interested in other suggestions you get! Best wishes. > > > > Bob Holtzer > > > > At > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Jul 18 00:25:02 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 08:25:02 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down In-Reply-To: <021301c46c50$084c7b30$def70cd1@VAIO> References: <021301c46c50$084c7b30$def70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <9n8kf0p6s7t5paetvduflaidj7c83gpnsc@4ax.com> On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:47:21 -0500, you wrote: >Ok you computer guru's I need your help again. >Paul OK, there are two or three ways to do a backup, but if you want to be able to access them at any time and without going through hoops then you need to just copy complete drives or folders over to the backup medium. Ordinary backups use compression techniques to write one large file to a backup medium which has to be unscrambled if you want to see a particular file. This requires the original backup programme as well. We backup to a second hard drive inside the computer, then once a fortnight we write all our files to a DVD. Both these backups are straight file copies, so we can look at the DVD with Windows Explorer (Not Internet Explorer) and pick any file(s) out that we want. The second hard drive is a 40gb unit which 'only' holds backups, and is used for nothing else. We use Nero 6 for writing CD's and DVD's, and it includes a 'proper' backup programme, but you cannot read the files with anything else, so we dropped that straight away. We write the backups across the network to one of the machines with a DVD writer, and with all the network machines running we can back up the whole lot in about an hour or so, about 10gb. The other thing to remember is that for quick backups you need to locate all your files in a couple of folders so you can find them and back them up quickly. We back up our email programme folder (Agent) our pictures folder, our webpages folder and a couple of others. The other thing we do is to regularly make up an emergency repair disk so if we have a system crash we can restore the system using Win2KPro's built-in recovery process. I think XP has this as well. Peter (Posted at 08.24am UK BST Sunday) -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Sun Jul 18 01:47:41 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 18:47:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] olds Message-ID: hi everyone, just chasing a bit of imfo on a 3hp type a olds i picked up yesterday. any imfo would be appreciated. thanks in advance. dave in oz _________________________________________________________________ Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday and find love! http://mobilecentral.ninemsn.com.au/mclovehunt/lovehunt.aspx From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Jul 18 02:17:30 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:17:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down References: <021301c46c50$084c7b30$def70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <001601c46ca8$12bdca30$06856ad5@one> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 11:47 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down > Ok you computer guru's I need your help again. I am not completely stupid, > almost but not quite there yet. I had enough sense about six months ago when > I was having computer trouble before to go out and buy a 60 gig external > hard drive and using Norton Ghost a friend of mine came over and did a > complete backup of my hard drive. (SNIP) > Paul Hi Paul, On my previous computer which used to lock up on me I found Norton ghost would replace my entire C drive with my last back up. (not pieces of it). This kept me going for a couple of years. The guide to ghost is at http://ghost.radified.com/ghost_1.htm It seems that a new Ghost is available now for more modern systems. Sorry I cannot be of more help. Dave Croft Warrington England http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv British Map http://pub32.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=2692147218 World Map http://pub13.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=1064374771 From oldengines at bigpond.com Sun Jul 18 03:07:52 2004 From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron & Liz Sullivan) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:07:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] olds References: Message-ID: <002801c46caf$16909ff0$d6e58690@ronliz1> Hi Dave What do u need to know Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 6:47 PM Subject: [SEL] olds > hi everyone, just chasing a bit of imfo on a 3hp type a olds i picked up > yesterday. any imfo would be appreciated. thanks in advance. dave in oz > > _________________________________________________________________ > Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday and find love! > http://mobilecentral.ninemsn.com.au/mclovehunt/lovehunt.aspx > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From wara at ozemail.com.au Sun Jul 18 03:49:12 2004 From: wara at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:49:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] olds References: Message-ID: <00b101c46cb4$dde56d10$db6854d2@Young1203> Hi David, I dont pretend to be an expert on them but as I have 2 Olds engines, I have tried to find out what I could over the years. Tell me what your engine is and the exact details on your plate and I will tell you what I can. As far as I know there is no one keeping a serial no. register of Olds engines and there are no original factory records in captivity. There are a few Olds specialists in the States (as in US of) who might care to identify themselves and they might know something. If you have a pre Seager Olds Type A engine (i.e. Olds Gas Power Plate - with B serial no. prefix.) it can probably be dated within a year or so. They were made in the 1904/5 - 1910 era. The early engines - pre 1904 - can also be very roughly dated but I dont know about the Seager plated engines. I have a 12Hp type A ~1909 and a gearless 12hp ~1898/9 which has given me a keen interest in this brand. Regards, Michael Young ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 6:47 PM Subject: [SEL] olds > hi everyone, just chasing a bit of imfo on a 3hp type a olds i picked up > yesterday. any imfo would be appreciated. thanks in advance. dave in oz > > _________________________________________________________________ > Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday and find love! > http://mobilecentral.ninemsn.com.au/mclovehunt/lovehunt.aspx > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Sun Jul 18 04:20:54 2004 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:20:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! Message-ID: Hi Paul, Sorry mate but I can't send pics at this time as I don't have a digital camera. My friend with the YB will have one very soon so will get them to you then. Regards Lyndsay > < You Wrote > >Do you have any pictures of your friends YB fuel saver arm or your other >friend's type C horizontal fuel saver arm? I would love to see them. > >Thanks, > >Paul > _________________________________________________________________ Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday and find love! http://mobilecentral.ninemsn.com.au/mclovehunt/lovehunt.aspx From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Jul 18 04:39:51 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 12:39:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Updates to Oldengine.org website Message-ID: <66okf0l7u0gd47bti7f1heap8770a218g0@4ax.com> We have updated the members and commercial pages, look for Jim Sherman's link in the member's pages and a couple of commercial links elsewhere. Apologies to Jim Dunmyer for the delay in getting this updated, he originally requested the new links back at the beginning of June, but we have been a bit busy over here.. :-)) Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Jul 18 06:55:21 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 09:55:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] Famous magneto question. Message-ID: <144.2e739471.2e2bdb49@aol.com> In a message dated 7/17/2004 3:59:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, h.terpstra at wxs.nl writes: << Is there anyone that has pictures of Webster bracket for an IHC Famous? >> Harry, I have sent you three photos of my 1914 Famous mag/bracket off line, so be on the lookout for it. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From ivancou at usachoice.net Sun Jul 18 08:04:56 2004 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:04:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Homelite Generator - Need Info References: <017a01c46b64$7092d870$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <000801c46cd8$990083a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Paul , did you know about this ? Ivan < EnginAds Sparks & Arcs"? is set up as a place to post questions and get answers about antique Power Generation Systems, Lightplants, Generators, Alternators and Motors and the related things that make them run or that they run. > http://www.enginads.com/faq_sprk.htm From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sun Jul 18 10:55:04 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 19:55:04 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Famous magneto question. References: <144.2e739471.2e2bdb49@aol.com> Message-ID: <003601c46cf0$5e6d51b0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Thanks Tom, It really makes things clear! It is obvious that the bracket I'm working on is missing allot. TTYL, Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous magneto question. > In a message dated 7/17/2004 3:59:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > h.terpstra at wxs.nl writes: > > << Is there anyone that has pictures of Webster bracket for an IHC Famous? >> > > > Harry, > > I have sent you three photos of my 1914 Famous mag/bracket off line, so be on > the lookout for it. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Jul 18 12:39:05 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:39:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down References: <021301c46c50$084c7b30$def70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <001301c46cfe$e3466170$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Paul, Norton Ghost makes a compressed image of your entire hard drive. The only way to get the data back is using Ghost. I have a CD that has an image of a laptop drive on it. The CD contains an executable and the ghost image. The executable is Ghost and once opened it will allow you to restore a drive. If you have a spare drive around that you don't mind trashing you could use it to get to your data. Another option would be to move the two files from your external drive to the drive on the computer you are using, and then run the exe from there and install the backup on your external drive. This option could trash your current drive if you don't do it right. Not for the timid by any means. That's about the best I can do for you. I will tell you I am not a fan of Ghost and don't use it. All of my files are in the My Documents folder in their own subdirectories. I back them all up using an external DVD burner. If I ever had a fatal crash my data is safe. Good luck. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 4:47 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down > Ok you computer guru's I need your help again. I am not completely stupid, > almost but not quite there yet. I had enough sense about six months ago when > I was having computer trouble before to go out and buy a 60 gig external > hard drive and using Norton Ghost a friend of mine came over and did a > complete backup of my hard drive. He said the option he selected was such > that I cannot just hook up the hard drive to my computer and pick and choose > the files I want, I have to completely download everything and this is all > of the applications. He also said I would have to use Norton Ghost just to > download the files again. > > Is there anyway I can hook up the external hard drive and see all of my > files and then download just the ones I want or is what he said true, I can > only do a complete backup onto my computer of the information that is on the > external harddrive. Surely there is a way to see these files and to pull off > what I want. > > So there it is gang, the challenge for all of the computer guru's, and I am > confident that someone can tell me how to do this. By the way I now have > Norton Internet Security on my computer which does not include > Ghost.....does this make the challenge harder? > > I will appreciate any and all help you folks can give me and just maybe I > might learn how to use this thing before I buy the farm as we say here in > the South. > > Paul > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Jul 18 12:59:20 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:59:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] great engine week References: <1dd.267ca18d.2e2a770b@aol.com> Message-ID: <001901c46d01$b79ed090$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Tom, Love your new toy. I have a Webster L with 303K ignitor that I don't need. If this is what you need we can try to work something out. I can put pictures up if you want them. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 6:35 AM Subject: [SEL] great engine week > Look what the trailer was able to haul home this week. > > Economy cart with saw rig: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mvc-013f.jpg > > Economy cart with engine and saw rig: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mvc-016f.jpg > > Now to find a cheap Webster mag and bracket, unstick it and go to work! > > Of course if that does not work, Millie will make the auctioneer happy when > the time comes!! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sun Jul 18 14:14:20 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 16:14:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old Homelite Generator - Need Info References: <017a01c46b64$7092d870$e1f70cd1@VAIO> <000801c46cd8$990083a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Message-ID: <002701c46d0c$357742e0$dff70cd1@VAIO> No Ivan I did not, thanks for this info, I will go and check it out. Did you see the message the other night where George Woodzell was telling Ed Stoller that he could haul the Fodder Chopper to Ed who had said if anyone could get it to I-88 he could pick it up. I do not know if Ed has responded back to George or not but maybe something will work out, I sure hope so. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivan Cousins" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Homelite Generator - Need Info > Paul , did you know about this ? Ivan > > < EnginAds Sparks & Arcs"? is set up as a place to post questions and get > answers about antique Power Generation Systems, Lightplants, Generators, > Alternators and Motors and the related things that make them run or that > they run. > > > http://www.enginads.com/faq_sprk.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sun Jul 18 16:48:57 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 18:48:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down References: <021301c46c50$084c7b30$def70cd1@VAIO> <001301c46cfe$e3466170$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <00f801c46d21$cdd01110$dff70cd1@VAIO> Thanks so much Jeff for the advice and offer of help. Jeff I have a friend who has three laptops, he only uses one. He is out of town right now but when he gets back I am going to see if he will loan me one of them and if I can get a copy of Ghost I would install the backup that is on my 60 gig external drive to his laptop and once I get it on his laptop I would then copy all of the files to a CD and then I could put the CD in my laptop and pick and choose the files I wanted on my current hard drive. This will leave me with an empty 60 gig external hard drive, it looks like I could take this empty 60 gig hard drive and hook it up once a week and just download all of my files and folders which I to keep in "My Documents" to the hard drive. Would this work? Can I use the CD you are talking about to extract Ghost from it so that I can pull the data off of the 60 gig external hard drive and onto my friends un-used laptop (assuming he will let me use it)? If this will all work I would be indebted to you if you could give me a step by step procedure to use so that I don't destroy the data. Once I get it back I am through with Ghost forever, it is just too much trouble to use and I regret ever being talked into using it. Thanks Jeff Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down > Paul, > > Norton Ghost makes a compressed image of your entire hard drive. The only > way to get the data back is using Ghost. I have a CD that has an image of a > laptop drive on it. The CD contains an executable and the ghost image. The > executable is Ghost and once opened it will allow you to restore a drive. If > you have a spare drive around that you don't mind trashing you could use it > to get to your data. Another option would be to move the two files from your > external drive to the drive on the computer you are using, and then run the > exe from there and install the backup on your external drive. This option > could trash your current drive if you don't do it right. Not for the timid > by any means. That's about the best I can do for you. I will tell you I am > not a fan of Ghost and don't use it. All of my files are in the My Documents From ivancou at usachoice.net Sun Jul 18 17:39:16 2004 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:39:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Homelite Generator - Need Info References: <017a01c46b64$7092d870$e1f70cd1@VAIO><000801c46cd8$990083a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> <002701c46d0c$357742e0$dff70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <001401c46d28$d325b640$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Paul , no , I missed Georges reply . But it sounds like it might work out . Hope so . Hope the link is helpful , I had forgotten about the site . So today I was looking for info on a newer gen set and stumbled across it . Must've been more than two brain cells working at the same time as it clicked right away . Ivan From alanb2 at webtv.net Sun Jul 18 17:43:44 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:43:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters In-Reply-To: "Richard Strobel" 's message of Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:20:10 -0600 Message-ID: <11747-40FB1940-2196@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> Hi Rick, I got ta thinkin' about your hidden fuel filter question last night while I was out in my engine trailer trying to find the leak in my 1-1/2hp Herc. S gas tank. There is a filter (screen) on the end of the fuel pipe. Picture fine brass screen rolled up to fit into the end of the fuel pipe that screws into the tank. Then solder it into the pipe and fold and solder the end shut. Now when you screw the fuel line into the tank the filter isn't seen. I sure don't think anything that gets through that screen will hurt the engine. I dunno, but it has been there for a whole bunch of years,,,, Did Hercules put fuel screens in a lot of their tanks????? Yes,,,, I build check valves too,,,,, Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan ~~~~Richard?Strobel wrote~~~~~ Howdy List; ????I know some of you build your own checkvalves. Are there any home made, hidden fuel filters, that you learned about and were impressed with? What I've got to work with is 1/4" npt elbows and ~ 3 feet of 1/4" pipe. The sawrig uses a Lunk. Sawrig coming along nicely Thanks gang RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From pmaples at anaxis.net Sun Jul 18 18:55:15 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:55:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. New Home Wiring Questions Message-ID: <009501c46d33$724c9e00$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Ok you electrical guru's I am ringing your phone again. I am now 98% through with wiring my son's new home and I am now ready to start wiring the phone and satellite circuits and here is my questions: (1) I will be using CAT5 unshielded wire for the telephone circuits and RG-6 Quad Shield for the Satellite circuits. (2) Is it better to run separate boxes, that is a separate box for the phone wire and a separate box for the satellite circuits or just run both circuits in one box and install a modular outlet (multi-port outlets) If I use one box for both circuits I was thinking of getting a modular connector that would have (2) CAT5 jacks, one for the phone and one for the computer and then (1) RG-6 jack for the Satellite. (3) I am going to wire the telephone circuits with home runs from each box to the outside of the house. What type of termination box do I need to use on the outside to wire all of the home runs in? Do I need to have this available before they brick the house so they can mount it in the brick or do I just use a surface mount box after they finish the bricking? (4) I know that I need to keep the phone wires a minimum of 6" from any electrical circuit and preferably 12" but I assume it is ok to go past these circuits since they are in the same wall. I don't mean run parallel with them, just past them in the wall. I would appreciate any recommendations on wiring up the telephone and satellite TV circuits. Thanks, Paul From wilson at stny.rr.com Sun Jul 18 19:59:38 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:59:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song Message-ID: Can someone tell me the name or singer of the oldies song that goes something like this: A Cadillac was driving and a Nash came up behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP the Cadillac sped up but the Nash was still right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP Then the Cadillac hit 120, all it could go. The Nash was right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP Then the Nash came up along side of the Cadillac and asked "How do I get this thing out of second gear"? Thanks, Glenn From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Sun Jul 18 21:27:55 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:27:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] olds Message-ID: Hi Michael, the crank guard is missing as well as the carby but it is the same as the engine on page 358 in the brb of wendel's. it is the one in the top right hand corner. are the serial no stamped on the engine anyware? thanks for the quick reply dave in oz >From: "Michael Young" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] olds Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:49:12 +1000 > >Hi David, > >I dont pretend to be an expert on them but as I have 2 Olds engines, I have >tried to find out what I could over the years. Tell me what your engine is >and the exact details on your plate and I will tell you what I can. As far >as I know there is no one keeping a serial no. register of Olds engines and >there are no original factory records in captivity. There are a few Olds >specialists in the States (as in US of) who might care to identify >themselves and they might know something. > >If you have a pre Seager Olds Type A engine (i.e. Olds Gas Power Plate - >with B serial no. prefix.) it can probably be dated within a year or so. >They were made in the 1904/5 - 1910 era. The early engines - pre 1904 - >can >also be very roughly dated but I dont know about the Seager plated engines. > >I have a 12Hp type A ~1909 and a gearless 12hp ~1898/9 which has given me a >keen interest in this brand. > >Regards, > >Michael Young >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Nicolson" >To: >Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 6:47 PM >Subject: [SEL] olds > > > > hi everyone, just chasing a bit of imfo on a 3hp type a olds i picked up > > yesterday. any imfo would be appreciated. thanks in advance. dave in oz > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday and find love! > > http://mobilecentral.ninemsn.com.au/mclovehunt/lovehunt.aspx > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday and find love! http://mobilecentral.ninemsn.com.au/mclovehunt/lovehunt.aspx From rholtzer at earthlink.net Sun Jul 18 22:20:09 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:20:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down In-Reply-To: <001301c46cfe$e3466170$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> References: <021301c46c50$084c7b30$def70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040718220613.00a99130@mail.earthlink.net> True, Ghost can create an image file which may be used for backup, etc. Ghost will also clone disks using the Local>Disk>To Disk command. The source disk is copied to the destination per pages 33 and 34 of the manual (2001 version). The result is the same file structure on both disks. Ghost also allows disk creation from an image file, partition duplication, partition image file creation, and partition creation from an image file. Going back to Paul's original question and description, it may well be that he has a .gho image file. He can still hook up the drive and see what Windows Explorer indicates is present. If there are files other the .gho, it may be worth trying to open them. Bob Holtzer At 01:39 PM 7/18/2004 -0600, you wrote: >Paul, > >Norton Ghost makes a compressed image of your entire hard drive. The only >way to get the data back is using Ghost. I have a CD that has an image of a >laptop drive on it. The CD contains an executable and the ghost image. The >executable is Ghost and once opened it will allow you to restore a drive. If >you have a spare drive around that you don't mind trashing you could use it >to get to your data. Another option would be to move the two files from your >external drive to the drive on the computer you are using, and then run the >exe from there and install the backup on your external drive. This option >could trash your current drive if you don't do it right. Not for the timid >by any means. That's about the best I can do for you. I will tell you I am >not a fan of Ghost and don't use it. All of my files are in the My Documents >folder in their own subdirectories. I back them all up using an external DVD >burner. If I ever had a fatal crash my data is safe. Good luck. > >Jeff >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Paul Maples" >To: "Stationary Engine List" >Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 4:47 PM >Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down > > > > Ok you computer guru's I need your help again. I am not completely stupid, > > almost but not quite there yet. I had enough sense about six months ago >when > > I was having computer trouble before to go out and buy a 60 gig external > > hard drive and using Norton Ghost a friend of mine came over and did a > > complete backup of my hard drive. He said the option he selected was such > > that I cannot just hook up the hard drive to my computer and pick and >choose > > the files I want, I have to completely download everything and this is all > > of the applications. He also said I would have to use Norton Ghost just to > > download the files again. > > > > Is there anyway I can hook up the external hard drive and see all of my > > files and then download just the ones I want or is what he said true, I >can > > only do a complete backup onto my computer of the information that is on >the > > external harddrive. Surely there is a way to see these files and to pull >off > > what I want. > > > > So there it is gang, the challenge for all of the computer guru's, and I >am > > confident that someone can tell me how to do this. By the way I now have > > Norton Internet Security on my computer which does not include > > Ghost.....does this make the challenge harder? > > > > I will appreciate any and all help you folks can give me and just maybe I > > might learn how to use this thing before I buy the farm as we say here in > > the South. > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From peter at loud-n-clear.net Mon Jul 19 02:13:07 2004 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:13:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I do remember the song, but not the singer, sadly. As I recall, part of the lyrics were "The bubble-car went beep-beep-beep" and "How do I get this thing out of passing gear?". A Google search turned up nothing for either version of the lyrics :-( In message , Glenn Wilson writes >Can someone tell me the name or singer of the oldies song that >goes something like this: > >A Cadillac was driving and a Nash came up behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP >the Cadillac sped up but the Nash was still right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP >Then the Cadillac hit 120, all it could go. >The Nash was right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP >Then the Nash came up along side of the Cadillac and asked >"How do I get this thing out of second gear"? > >Thanks, Glenn >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Peter Scales From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 19 02:29:12 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:29:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] olds Message-ID: hi michael, i got a tip on where to find the serial no and located it on top of the piston, it is 4994. just thought i'd add this to what i sent earlier. dave in oz >From: "Michael Young" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] olds Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:49:12 +1000 > >Hi David, > >I dont pretend to be an expert on them but as I have 2 Olds engines, I have >tried to find out what I could over the years. Tell me what your engine is >and the exact details on your plate and I will tell you what I can. As far >as I know there is no one keeping a serial no. register of Olds engines and >there are no original factory records in captivity. There are a few Olds >specialists in the States (as in US of) who might care to identify >themselves and they might know something. > >If you have a pre Seager Olds Type A engine (i.e. Olds Gas Power Plate - >with B serial no. prefix.) it can probably be dated within a year or so. >They were made in the 1904/5 - 1910 era. The early engines - pre 1904 - >can >also be very roughly dated but I dont know about the Seager plated engines. > >I have a 12Hp type A ~1909 and a gearless 12hp ~1898/9 which has given me a >keen interest in this brand. > >Regards, > >Michael Young >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Nicolson" >To: >Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 6:47 PM >Subject: [SEL] olds > > > > hi everyone, just chasing a bit of imfo on a 3hp type a olds i picked up > > yesterday. any imfo would be appreciated. thanks in advance. dave in oz > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday and find love! > > http://mobilecentral.ninemsn.com.au/mclovehunt/lovehunt.aspx > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Smart Saving with ING Direct ? earn 5.25% p.a. variable rate: http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/clk;7249209;8842331;n?http://www.ingdirect.com.au/burst6offer.asp?id=8 From prepair at easynet.co.uk Mon Jul 19 02:49:50 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:49:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:59:38 -0400, you wrote: >Can someone tell me the name or singer of the oldies song that >goes something like this: > >A Cadillac was driving and a Nash came up behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP >the Cadillac sped up but the Nash was still right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP >Then the Cadillac hit 120, all it could go. >The Nash was right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP >Then the Nash came up along side of the Cadillac and asked >"How do I get this thing out of second gear"? > >Thanks, Glenn Playmates, the Bubble Car Song, probably 1958-59. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From buggy1914 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 19 04:30:50 2004 From: buggy1914 at hotmail.com (Missy Holland) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 07:30:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Email Address Message-ID: My email address has changed. It is now buggy1914 at hotmail.com. Thanks, Missy Holland Gastonia, NC USA _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From bolhuis at amtelecom.net Mon Jul 19 04:39:10 2004 From: bolhuis at amtelecom.net (Bob & Sheila Bolhuis) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 07:39:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song References: Message-ID: <003a01c46d85$01c433d0$6500a8c0@EMACHINE> Here ya go Glenn http://www.science.uwaterloo.ca/~afleming/amc/beepbeep.html Bob Bob & Sheila Bolhuis RR#4 Aylmer , Ont, Can N5H-2R3 519-765-3337 From b2 at chooka.net Mon Jul 19 04:51:33 2004 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 06:51:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song References: Message-ID: <011401c46d86$bd466910$660aa8c0@BILLPC> Here ya go, Glenn! (chorus) Beep beep (sound of horn - beep beep!) Beep beep (beep beep) His horn went beep beep beep (beep beep) While riding in my Cadillac What to my surprise A little Nash Rambler was following me About one-third my size The guy must have wanted to pass me out As he kept on tooting his horn (beep beep) I'll show him that a Cadillac Is not a car to scorn (chorus) I pushed my foot down to the floor To give the guy the shake But the little Nash Rambler stayed right behind He still had on his brake He must have thought his car had more guts As he kept on tooting his horn (beep beep) I'll show him that a Cadillac Is not a car to scorn (chorus) My car went in to passing gear And we took off with gust And soon we were doing ninety Must have left him in the dust When I peeked in the mirror of my car I couldn't believe my eyes The little Nash Rambler was right behind You'd think that guy could fly (beep beep) Now we're doing a hundred and ten It certainly was a race For a Rambler to pass a Caddy Would be a big disgrace The guy must have wanted to pass me out As he kept on tooting his horn I'll show him that a Cadillac Is not a car to scorn (beep beep) Now we're doing a hundred and twenty As fast as I could go The Rambler pulled alongside of me As if we were going slow The fellow rolled his window down And yelled for me to hear "Hey buddy how can I get this car out... of... second gear!" B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, Minnesota USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: ".Newsgroup ATIS" Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 9:59 PM Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song > Can someone tell me the name or singer of the oldies song that > goes something like this: > > A Cadillac was driving and a Nash came up behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > the Cadillac sped up but the Nash was still right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > Then the Cadillac hit 120, all it could go. > The Nash was right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > Then the Nash came up along side of the Cadillac and asked > "How do I get this thing out of second gear"? > > Thanks, Glenn > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jul 19 05:00:24 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:00:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters References: <11747-40FB1940-2196@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <40FBB7D8.7080102@imc-group.com> Alan, Any thoughts on where to buy the fine brass screen you mentioned? I've never seen any in a hardware store but need to buy some for an engine Devin and I are working on. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Alan Bowen wrote: >Picture fine brass screen rolled up to fit into the end of the fuel pipe >that screws into the tank. Then solder it into the pipe and fold and >solder the end shut. > > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Jul 19 05:05:23 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:05:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] olds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200407191205.i6JC5KtC024764@heavyiron.atis.net> Hi Dave, Your engine would probably be identical to Ron Sullivan's engine. I cannot remember the engine number on his engine being anywhere other than on the plate but we will have a search of the engine when it is dug out of storage :) As a wild guess (from looking at lots of American engines) I would suggest looking at the ends of the crank, flywheel hubs, flywheel rims and faces, and on top of the cylinder. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Michael, the crank guard is missing as well as the carby but it is the same as the engine on page 358 in the brb of wendel's. it is the one in the top right hand corner. are the serial no stamped on the engine anyware? thanks for the quick reply dave in oz From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Jul 19 05:15:46 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:15:46 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fuel Savers Message-ID: <200407191215.i6JCFhWF026126@heavyiron.atis.net> Here is a question for all you clever engine guys. Were the fuel savers on hit and miss engines effective or just a marketing gimmick? Some manufacturers fitted fuel savers to their engines while others did not. Companies like IHC, Fuller & Johnson, and Stover used them while others such as R&V and Challenge did not. It would also be interesting to survey who used them and who did not. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Jul 19 06:22:01 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 07:22:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters References: <11747-40FB1940-2196@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Thanks Alan and Chuck. Seeings as how I'm going to use a "T" fitting at the mixer (where I'll put a tank drain), the plan is to roll up some fine mesh screen and stuff it in that fitting, using the long dimension. Thanks all for the help. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters > Hi Rick, > > I got ta thinkin' about your hidden fuel filter question last night > while I was out in my engine trailer trying to find the leak in my > 1-1/2hp Herc. S gas tank. There is a filter (screen) on the end of the > fuel pipe. > > Picture fine brass screen rolled up to fit into the end of the fuel pipe > that screws into the tank. Then solder it into the pipe and fold and > solder the end shut. > > Now when you screw the fuel line into the tank the filter isn't seen. > I sure don't think anything that gets through that screen will hurt the > engine. > > I dunno, but it has been there for a whole bunch of years,,,, Did > Hercules put fuel screens in a lot of their tanks????? > > Yes,,,, I build check valves too,,,,, > > Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net > Williamsburg, Michigan > > ~~~~Richard Strobel wrote~~~~~ > > Howdy List; > I know some of you build your own checkvalves. Are there any > home made, hidden fuel filters, that you learned about and were > impressed with? What I've got to work with is 1/4" npt elbows and ~ 3 > feet of 1/4" pipe. The sawrig uses a Lunk. > Sawrig coming along nicely > Thanks gang > RickinMt. > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Jul 19 06:53:51 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 06:53:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. New Home Wiring Questions In-Reply-To: <009501c46d33$724c9e00$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <200407191354.i6JDs00v014014@heavyiron.atis.net> Hi Paul, Use rings at the room locations rather than boxes.The modular idea is the way to go, up to 6 terminations at one location. Get a couple of interface weatherproof boxes from your phone and Tv cable Co and run all of the cables to them before you brick or close up the walls. The overhead or underground should terminate at the same location. Gota go to work, Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 6:55 PM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] O.T. New Home Wiring Questions Ok you electrical guru's I am ringing your phone again. I am now 98% through with wiring my son's new home and I am now ready to start wiring the phone and satellite circuits and here is my questions: (1) I will be using CAT5 unshielded wire for the telephone circuits and RG-6 Quad Shield for the Satellite circuits. (2) Is it better to run separate boxes, that is a separate box for the phone wire and a separate box for the satellite circuits or just run both circuits in one box and install a modular outlet (multi-port outlets) If I use one box for both circuits I was thinking of getting a modular connector that would have (2) CAT5 jacks, one for the phone and one for the computer and then (1) RG-6 jack for the Satellite. (3) I am going to wire the telephone circuits with home runs from each box to the outside of the house. What type of termination box do I need to use on the outside to wire all of the home runs in? Do I need to have this available before they brick the house so they can mount it in the brick or do I just use a surface mount box after they finish the bricking? (4) I know that I need to keep the phone wires a minimum of 6" from any electrical circuit and preferably 12" but I assume it is ok to go past these circuits since they are in the same wall. I don't mean run parallel with them, just past them in the wall. I would appreciate any recommendations on wiring up the telephone and satellite TV circuits. Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Jul 19 07:31:31 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:31:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song References: Message-ID: Here it is..play this to your teenage kids :-)) http://www.geocities.com/nashmetro_1961/beep.html RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Scales" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 3:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song > I do remember the song, but not the singer, sadly. As I recall, part of > the lyrics were "The bubble-car went beep-beep-beep" and "How do I get > this thing out of passing gear?". > > A Google search turned up nothing for either version of the lyrics :-( > > In message , Glenn > Wilson writes > >Can someone tell me the name or singer of the oldies song that > >goes something like this: > > > >A Cadillac was driving and a Nash came up behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > >the Cadillac sped up but the Nash was still right behind it BEEP BEEP > >BEEP > >Then the Cadillac hit 120, all it could go. > >The Nash was right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > >Then the Nash came up along side of the Cadillac and asked > >"How do I get this thing out of second gear"? > > > >Thanks, Glenn > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > Peter Scales > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BetCleve321 at aol.com Mon Jul 19 07:33:23 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:33:23 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song Message-ID: In a message dated 7/19/2004 10:23:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, peter at loud-n-clear.net writes: I do remember the song, but not the singer, sadly. As I recall, part of the lyrics were "The bubble-car went beep-beep-beep" and "How do I get this thing out of passing gear?". The Playmates did that one and the name of the song is 'The Little Nash Rambler'. Skip From MaytagTwin at aol.com Mon Jul 19 07:36:57 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:36:57 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song Message-ID: <5b.53cfcce0.2e2d3689@aol.com> In a message dated 7/19/2004 10:23:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, peter at loud-n-clear.net writes: > I do remember the song, but not the singer, sadly. As I recall, part of > the lyrics were "The bubble-car went beep-beep-beep" and "How do I get > this thing out of passing gear?". Here you go: pioneer Chuck Berry for his 1955 classic "Mabelline.". Regards, Ron Carroll From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 19 07:25:06 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Fuel Savers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Patrick, The headless Witte engines have a "fuel saver." Recall that the exhaust valve is operated from underneath the valve block by a walking beam. There's a roughly C-shaped piece that couples the exhaust valve to the intake valve at the top of the valve block. When the exhaust valve is held open by the walking beam, the fuel saver lifts the intake valve tightly against the valve seat. My opinion is that this was more a marketing gimmick than an engineering reality. This part is often missing on a headless Witte and I've never noticed any flutter of the intake valve when the engine was free wheeling with the exhaust valve open. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 19 Jul 2004, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > Here is a question for all you clever engine guys. Were the fuel savers on > hit and miss engines effective or just a marketing gimmick? > Some manufacturers fitted fuel savers to their engines while others did not. > Companies like IHC, Fuller & Johnson, and Stover used them while others such > as R&V and Challenge did not. It would also be interesting to survey who > used them and who did not. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Jul 19 07:45:34 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:45:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song References: Message-ID: <006801c46d9f$0c846f50$06856ad5@one> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Scales" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song > I do remember the song, but not the singer, sadly. As I recall, part of > the lyrics were "The bubble-car went beep-beep-beep" and "How do I get > this thing out of passing gear?". > A Google search turned up nothing for either version of the lyrics :-( > In message , Glenn > Wilson writes > >Can someone tell me the name or singer of the oldies song that > >goes something like this: Snip Google always finds what you want!! See http://www.elyrics4u.com/b/beep_beep_the_playmates.htm# Dave Croft Warrington England http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv British Map http://pub32.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=2692147218 World Map http://pub13.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=1064374771 From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 19 08:00:22 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:00:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004001c46da1$24f0f570$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> The artist: The Playmates (their specialty was novelty music, formed 1956, disbanded 1964, originally known as The Nitwits) The song: Beep Beep Composed by: Donald Claps & Carl Cicchetti (they were The Playmates) Song peaked at #4 in 1958 The lyrics: (very slowly) Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep While riding in my Cadillac What to my surprise A little Nash Rambler was following me About one third my size The guy musta wanted to pass me up As he kept on tooting his horn I'll show him that a Cadillac is not a car to scorn Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (slowly) I pushed my foot down to the floor To give the guy the shake But the little Nash Rambler stayed right behind He still had on his brake He musta thought his car had more guts As he kept on tooting his horn (beep beep) I'll show him that a Cadillac is not a car to scorn Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (normal speed) My car went into passing gear And we took off with gust (whoosh) Soon we were going ninety Musta left him in the dust When I peeked in the mirror of my car I couldn't believe my eyes The little Nash Rambler was right behind You'd think that guy could fly Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (quickly) Now we were doing a hundred and ten This certainly was a race For a Rambler to pass a Caddy Would be a big disgrace The guy musta wanted to pass me up As he kept on tooting his horn (beep beep) I'll show him that a Cadillac is not a car to scorn Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (very quickly) Now we're going a hundred twenty As fast as I can go The Rambler pulled along side of me As if we were going slow The fella rolled down his window And yelled for me to hear "Hey buddy how do I get this car outa second gear?" ------------------------ OK, so I'm an old AMC fan......... Above is the "U.S." version played on American radio. Peter is thinking of the UK version where they used "bubble car" because the BBC wouldn't allow songs played that contained "advertising" or corporate names. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Wilson Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 10:00 PM To: .Newsgroup ATIS Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song Can someone tell me the name or singer of the oldies song that goes something like this: A Cadillac was driving and a Nash came up behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP the Cadillac sped up but the Nash was still right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP Then the Cadillac hit 120, all it could go. The Nash was right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP Then the Nash came up along side of the Cadillac and asked "How do I get this thing out of second gear"? Thanks, Glenn _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From prepair at easynet.co.uk Mon Jul 19 08:33:11 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:33:11 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:13:07 +0100, you wrote: >I do remember the song, but not the singer, sadly. As I recall, part of >the lyrics were "The bubble-car went beep-beep-beep" and "How do I get >this thing out of passing gear?". > >A Google search turned up nothing for either version of the lyrics :-( It was the Playmates, and three separate versions were recorded. The wording was slightly different, "second gear" replacing "passing gear", Words are at: http://www.monologues.co.uk/Beep_Beep.htm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From falcon at telenet.net Mon Jul 19 08:33:25 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:33:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song References: Message-ID: <000701c46da5$bc32e520$345c14d0@net.telenet.net> It is "Beep Beep" by the Playmates. Released in 1958 through Roulette Records. I have it on MP3. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Scales" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song > I do remember the song, but not the singer, sadly. As I recall, part of > the lyrics were "The bubble-car went beep-beep-beep" and "How do I get > this thing out of passing gear?". > > A Google search turned up nothing for either version of the lyrics :-( > > In message , Glenn > Wilson writes > >Can someone tell me the name or singer of the oldies song that > >goes something like this: > > > >A Cadillac was driving and a Nash came up behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > >the Cadillac sped up but the Nash was still right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > >Then the Cadillac hit 120, all it could go. > >The Nash was right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > >Then the Nash came up along side of the Cadillac and asked > >"How do I get this thing out of second gear"? > > > >Thanks, Glenn > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > Peter Scales > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From yostsw at atis.net Mon Jul 19 08:34:28 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:34:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] List outage References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200> <200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200> <200406231816100593.1B13A373@192.168.2.200> <200406241145380078.1ED4722F@192.168.2.200> <200406241734500359.201437E1@192.168.2.200> <200407061438370953.14B4E57A@192.168.2.200> <200407092231060171.026123B2@192.168.2.200> Message-ID: <200407191134280218.038A5E84@192.168.2.200> I am going to be doing some maintenance on the list software, so the lists will be down for about 20 minutes. Sorry for any inconvenience, Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From b2 at chooka.net Mon Jul 19 08:50:00 2004 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:50:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song Message-ID: <001c01c46da8$0cc16230$690a0a0a@BILLPC> Here ya go, Glenn! I sent this once this morning about 4 hours ago and haven't seen it posted yet so will re-send. BEEP BEEP The Playmates (very slowly) Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep While riding in my Cadillac What to my surprise A little Nash Rambler was following me About one third my size The guy musta wanted to pass me up As he kept on tooting his horn I'll show him that a Cadillac is not a car to scorn Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (slowly) I pushed my foot down to the floor To give the guy the shake But the little Nash Rambler stayed right behind He still had on his brake He musta thought his car had more guts As he kept on tooting his horn (beep beep) I'll show him that a Cadillac is not a car to scorn Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (normal speed) My car went into passing gear And we took off with gust (whoosh) Soon we were going ninety Musta left him in the dust When I peeked in the mirror of my car I couldn't believe my eyes The little Nash Rambler was right behind You'd think that guy could fly Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (quickly) Now we were doing a hundred and ten This certainly was a race For a Rambler to pass a Caddy Would be a big disgrace The guy musta wanted to pass me up As he kept on tooting his horn (beep beep) I'll show him that a Cadillac is not a car to scorn Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (very quickly) Now we're going a hundred twenty As fast as I can go The Rambler pulled along side of me As if we were going slow The fella rolled down his window And yelled for me to hear "Hey buddy how do I get this car out... of... second gear!" B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, Minnesota USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > > > Can someone tell me the name or singer of the oldies song that > > goes something like this: > > > > A Cadillac was driving and a Nash came up behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > > the Cadillac sped up but the Nash was still right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > > Then the Cadillac hit 120, all it could go. > > The Nash was right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > > Then the Nash came up along side of the Cadillac and asked > > "How do I get this thing out of second gear"? > > > > Thanks, Glenn > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From kerogas at the-i.net Mon Jul 19 09:22:20 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:22:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? References: <1d3.26168ad3.2e29dd20@aol.com><00e501c46c26$2528bb80$f41be204@clinton> <6vpif05nvtp77oddeg1kjobeoktc1vunb0@4ax.com> Message-ID: <007101c46dac$9170ae60$07905841@oemcomputer> Remember when you used to have to wait for a person with a fuel saver to show up at a show to ask for measurements ? THAT ........was slow . From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Mon Jul 19 09:44:01 2004 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 02:14:01 +0930 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song References: Message-ID: <000d01c46daf$9b1ed510$18c68890@chaos> here you go http://lp2cd.com/time/MP3/the_playmates--beep_beep040328.mp3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Scales" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song > I do remember the song, but not the singer, sadly. As I recall, part of > the lyrics were "The bubble-car went beep-beep-beep" and "How do I get > this thing out of passing gear?". > > A Google search turned up nothing for either version of the lyrics :-( > > In message , Glenn > Wilson writes > >Can someone tell me the name or singer of the oldies song that > >goes something like this: > > > >A Cadillac was driving and a Nash came up behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > >the Cadillac sped up but the Nash was still right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > >Then the Cadillac hit 120, all it could go. > >The Nash was right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > >Then the Nash came up along side of the Cadillac and asked > >"How do I get this thing out of second gear"? > > > >Thanks, Glenn > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > Peter Scales > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 19 09:56:58 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:56:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song In-Reply-To: <000d01c46daf$9b1ed510$18c68890@chaos> Message-ID: <005101c46db1$7448bee0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Now isn't that weird, I posted a response probably 2 hours ago - have yet to see it. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of derek Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 11:44 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song here you go http://lp2cd.com/time/MP3/the_playmates--beep_beep040328.mp3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Scales" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song > I do remember the song, but not the singer, sadly. As I recall, part > of the lyrics were "The bubble-car went beep-beep-beep" and "How do I > get this thing out of passing gear?". > > A Google search turned up nothing for either version of the lyrics :-( > > In message , Glenn > Wilson writes > >Can someone tell me the name or singer of the oldies song that goes > >something like this: > > > >A Cadillac was driving and a Nash came up behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > >the Cadillac sped up but the Nash was still right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > >Then the Cadillac hit 120, all it could go. > >The Nash was right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > >Then the Nash came up along side of the Cadillac and asked "How do I > >get this thing out of second gear"? > > > >Thanks, Glenn _______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > Peter Scales > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at the-i.net Mon Jul 19 10:02:08 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:02:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song References: Message-ID: <009901c46db2$20feeb00$07905841@oemcomputer> Will trade a copy of Beep Beep by the Playmates for an MP3 of Charlton Heston reading the forward from Jurassic Park . This week I am learning Bachs Fugue in G , thats an old song Dom Dom Dom duh dom de dum de dum de dum Many Happy Etudes , Dudes Chuck B From greatness99 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 19 10:13:27 2004 From: greatness99 at hotmail.com (George Vaughan) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:13:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song Message-ID: Hello Glenn. I used google.com and found this site. The name of the group that you are looking for is the PLAYMATES. http://www.science.uwaterloo.ca/~afleming/amc/beepbeep.html From: "Glenn Wilson" To: ".Newsgroup ATIS" Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:59:38 -0400 Can someone tell me the name or singer of the oldies song that goes something like this: Beep Beep Thanks, Glenn _________________________________________________________________ Planning a family vacation? Check out the MSN Family Travel guide! http://dollar.msn.com From adpnaut at earthlink.net Mon Jul 19 10:45:59 2004 From: adpnaut at earthlink.net (Don Riedel) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:45:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song References: <009901c46db2$20feeb00$07905841@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <003b01c46db8$43eaae00$8aee79a5@usal4devhpa4ad> And the complete lyrics.... They start painfully slow, dragging each word, and speed up with each verse. By the end, it's a very fast tempo. I assume from the chart info that was already posted that it's a tribute to the 1957 Rebel, but I'm just guessing... Beep beep Beep beep His horn went beep beep beep While riding in my Cadillac What to my surprise A little Nash Rambler was following me About one-third my size The guy must have wanted to pass me out As he kept on tooting his horn I'll show him that a Cadillac Is not a car to scorn I pushed my foot down to the floor To give the guy the shake But the little Nash Rambler stayed right behind He still had on his brake He must have thought his car had more guts As he kept on tooting his horn I'll show him that a Cadillac Is not a car to scorn My car went in to passing gear And we took off with gust And soon we were doing ninety Must have left him in the dust When I peeked in the mirror of my car I couldn't believe my eyes The little Nash Rambler was right behind You'd think that guy could fly Now we're doing a hundred and ten It certainly was a race For a Rambler to pass a Caddy Would be a big disgrace The guy must have wanted to pass me out As he kept on tooting his horn I'll show him that a Cadillac Is not a car to scorn Now we're doing a hundred and twenty As fast as I could go The Rambler pulled alongside of me As if we were going slow The fellow rolled his window down And yelled for me to hear "Hey buddy how can I get this car out... of... second gear!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song > Will trade a copy of Beep Beep by the Playmates for an MP3 of > Charlton Heston reading the forward from Jurassic Park . > This week I am learning Bachs Fugue in G , thats an old song > Dom Dom Dom duh dom de dum de dum de dum > > > Many Happy Etudes , > Dudes > Chuck B > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jul 19 10:54:42 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:54:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - Funny vehicle maintenance stories Message-ID: <40FC0AE2.1000300@imc-group.com> Hope you find this humorous! Just for some light fun, what funny automotive maintenance stories can you all tell? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC The Oil Change Oil Change instructions for Women: 1) Pull up to Jiffy Lube when the mileage reaches 3000 miles since the last oil change. 2) Drink a cup of coffee. 3) 30 minutes later write a check and leave with a properly maintained vehicle. Money spent: Oil Change $20.00 Coffee $1.00 Total $21.00 * * * * * * * * * * Oil Change instructions for Men: 1) Wait until Saturday, drive to auto parts store and buy a case of oil, filter, kitty litter, hand cleaner and a scented tree, write a check for $50.00. 2) Stop by 7 - 11 and buy a case of beer, write a check for $20.00, drive home. 3) Open a beer and drink it. 4) Jack car up. Spend 30 minutes looking for jack stands. 5) Find jack stands under kid's pedal car. 6) In frustration, open another beer and drink it. 7) Place drain pan under engine. 8) Look for 9/16 box end wrench. 9) Give up and use crescent wrench. 10) Unscrew drain plug. 11) Drop drain plug in pan of hot oil: splash hot oil on face and arms in process. Cuss. 12) Crawl out from under car to wipe hot oil off face and arms. Throw kitty litter on spilled oil. 13) Have another beer while watching oil drain. 14) Spend 30 minutes looking for oil filter wrench. 15) Give up; crawl under car and hammer a screwdriver through oil filter and twist off. 16) Crawl out from under car with dripping oil filter splashing oil everywhere from holes. Cleverly hide old oil filter among trash in trash can to avoid environmental penalties. Drink a beer. 17) Buddy shows up; finish case of beer with him. Decide to finish oil change tomorrow so you can go see his new garage door opener work. 18) Sunday: Skip church because "I gotta finish the oil change". Drag pan full of old oil out from underneath car. Cleverly dump oil in hole in back yard instead of taking it to recycle. 19) Throw kitty litter on oil spilled during step 18. 20) Beer. No, drank it all yesterday. 21) Walk to 7 - 11; buy beer. 22) Install new oil filter making sure to apply a thin coat of oil to gasket surface. 23) Dump first quart of fresh oil into engine. 24) Remember drain plug from step 11. 25) Hurry to find drain plug in drain pan. 26) Remember that the used oil is buried in a hole in the back yard along with drain plug. 27) Drink beer 28) Shovel out hole and sift oily mud for drain plug. Re-shovel oily patch of ground and avoid environmental penalties.. Wash drain plug in lawn mower gas. 29) Discover that first quart of fresh oil is now on the floor. Throw kitty litter on oil spill. 39) Drink beer. 31) Crawl under car getting kitty litter into eyes. Wipe eyes with oilyrag used to clean drain plug. Slip with stupid crescent wrench tightening drain plug and bang knuckles on frame. 32) Bang head on floorboards in reaction to step 31. 33. Begin cussing fit. 34) Throw stupid crescent wrench. 35) Cuss for additional 10 minutes because wrench hit Miss August in the left boob. 36. Beer. 37) Clean up hands and forehead and bandage as required to stop blood flow. 38) Beer. 39) Beer 40) Dump in five fresh quarts of oil. 41) Beer. 42) Lower car from jack stands. 43) Accidentally crush remaining case of new motor oil. 44) Move car back to apply more kitty litter to fresh oil spilled during steps 23-43. 45) Beer. 46) Test drive car. 47) Get pulled over: arrested for driving under the influence. 48) Car gets impounded. 49) Call loving wife, make bail. 50) 12 hours later, get car from impound yard. Money spent: Parts $50.00 DUI $2500.00 Impound fee $75.00 Bail $1500.00 Beer $40.00 Total -- $4615.00 From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jul 19 11:02:27 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:02:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag flywheel help needed. Message-ID: <40FC0CB3.5090901@imc-group.com> Ye Maytag experts.... I need some advice on removing the flywheel on a Maytag twin. Wife friend volunteered me for painting a twin for the Charity Auction this year and I am taking apart my first (and hopefully last) Maytag. I made the assumption that the flywheel is a tapered fit like a Briggs, and with the nut loose have tapped it with a brass hammer while gently pressing behind the flywheel. But I don't want to break anything..... Am I going about this the correct way? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From rholtzer at earthlink.net Mon Jul 19 11:07:47 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:07:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. New Home Wiring Questions In-Reply-To: <009501c46d33$724c9e00$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040719110640.00bd42a0@mail.earthlink.net> Paul, I don't have any electrical suggestions but if you want Ghost please contact me off list. I have the 2001 version with manual I'd be happy to loan you for a while. Bob Holtzer At 08:55 PM 7/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Ok you electrical guru's I am ringing your phone again. > >I am now 98% through with wiring my son's new home and I am now ready to >start wiring the phone and satellite circuits and here is my questions: > >(1) I will be using CAT5 unshielded wire for the telephone circuits and RG-6 >Quad Shield for the Satellite circuits. >(2) Is it better to run separate boxes, that is a separate box for the phone >wire and a separate box for the satellite circuits or just run both circuits >in one > box and install a modular outlet (multi-port outlets) If I use one box >for both circuits I was thinking of getting a modular connector that would >have > (2) CAT5 jacks, one for the phone and one for the computer and then (1) >RG-6 jack for the Satellite. >(3) I am going to wire the telephone circuits with home runs from each box >to the outside of the house. What type of termination box do I need to use > on the outside to wire all of the home runs in? Do I need to have this >available before they brick the house so they can mount it in the brick or >do I > just use a surface mount box after they finish the bricking? >(4) I know that I need to keep the phone wires a minimum of 6" from any >electrical circuit and preferably 12" but I assume it is ok to go past these >circuits > since they are in the same wall. I don't mean run parallel with them, >just past them in the wall. > >I would appreciate any recommendations on wiring up the telephone and >satellite TV circuits. > >Thanks, > >Paul > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 19 11:30:03 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytag flywheel help needed. In-Reply-To: <40FC0CB3.5090901@imc-group.com> References: <40FC0CB3.5090901@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, You have recognized the flaw in your approach. No, you are not going about the disassembly in the right way. You should take the largest wood-splitting maul you can find and apply it between the flywheel and case with a full overhead downward swing. It's best done on a concrete surface so that no energy is lost burying the motor in the ground with the blow. Good luck with your project. See ya, Arnie On Mon, 19 Jul 2004, Curt Holland wrote: > Ye Maytag experts.... > > I need some advice on removing the flywheel on a Maytag twin. Wife > friend volunteered me for painting a twin for the Charity Auction this > year and I am taking apart my first (and hopefully last) Maytag. > > I made the assumption that the flywheel is a tapered fit like a Briggs, > and with the nut loose have tapped it with a brass hammer while gently > pressing behind the flywheel. But I don't want to break anything..... > > Am I going about this the correct way? From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 19 11:46:47 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:46:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song In-Reply-To: <003b01c46db8$43eaae00$8aee79a5@usal4devhpa4ad> Message-ID: <006701c46dc0$c6e98e40$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> And anyone who believes that AMC's can't go fast, let's just say that there are growing numbers of folks who take their old Ramblers and squeeze 12 and 13 second quarter mile runs out of them. Wanna impress your girlfriend - http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=248469704 2&category=5357 And this from a fellow who drives a bit milder Gremmie with a 360: 360 Gremlin: 11.52 @ 111 < on: Jul 11th, 2004, 3:14pm > We had better traction today, and car responded with the best ET to date: 11.52. 60 foot times still suffer a lot, as the slicks are not here yet, but the 60 foot for the above run was: 1.673. ------------------------------- I suspect he WAS out of second gear, however......... Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Don Riedel Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 12:46 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song And the complete lyrics.... They start painfully slow, dragging each word, and speed up with each verse. By the end, it's a very fast tempo. I assume from the chart info that was already posted that it's a tribute to the 1957 Rebel, but I'm just guessing... Beep beep Beep beep His horn went beep beep beep While riding in my Cadillac What to my surprise A little Nash Rambler was following me About one-third my size The guy must have wanted to pass me out As he kept on tooting his horn I'll show him that a Cadillac Is not a car to scorn I pushed my foot down to the floor To give the guy the shake But the little Nash Rambler stayed right behind He still had on his brake He must have thought his car had more guts As he kept on tooting his horn I'll show him that a Cadillac Is not a car to scorn My car went in to passing gear And we took off with gust And soon we were doing ninety Must have left him in the dust When I peeked in the mirror of my car I couldn't believe my eyes The little Nash Rambler was right behind You'd think that guy could fly Now we're doing a hundred and ten It certainly was a race For a Rambler to pass a Caddy Would be a big disgrace The guy must have wanted to pass me out As he kept on tooting his horn I'll show him that a Cadillac Is not a car to scorn Now we're doing a hundred and twenty As fast as I could go The Rambler pulled alongside of me As if we were going slow The fellow rolled his window down And yelled for me to hear "Hey buddy how can I get this car out... of... second gear!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song > Will trade a copy of Beep Beep by the Playmates for an MP3 of > Charlton Heston reading the forward from Jurassic Park . This week I > am learning Bachs Fugue in G , thats an old song Dom Dom Dom duh dom > de dum de dum de dum > > > Many Happy Etudes , > Dudes > Chuck B > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Mon Jul 19 12:02:30 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:02:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag flywheel help needed. Message-ID: <000e01c46dc2$f1aac480$70680b42@gnarmstrong> Curt, Gentle is the correct word. I broke the end off of a twin Maytag doing just that. I think Maytag Mark told me the twins were bad for that, apparently the heat treating process on the cranks of the twins was poorer than that on the singles. That was Mark's judgement. Caution is the defining operative. Good Luck. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Curt Holland To: SEL(new) Date: Monday, July 19, 2004 1:15 PM Subject: [SEL] Maytag flywheel help needed. >Ye Maytag experts.... > >I need some advice on removing the flywheel on a Maytag twin. Wife >friend volunteered me for painting a twin for the Charity Auction this >year and I am taking apart my first (and hopefully last) Maytag. > >I made the assumption that the flywheel is a tapered fit like a Briggs, >and with the nut loose have tapped it with a brass hammer while gently >pressing behind the flywheel. But I don't want to break anything..... > >Am I going about this the correct way? > >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mtucker at uky.edu Mon Jul 19 11:47:01 2004 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:47:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag flywheel help needed. In-Reply-To: <40FC0CB3.5090901@imc-group.com> References: <40FC0CB3.5090901@imc-group.com> Message-ID: >Am I going about this the correct way? More or less. Maytag Mark suggested to me to hold the engine a few inches off the ground by the flywheel (hold it horizontally). With the nut loosely on the crankshaft, have Devon tap on the nut and it should pop right off. See ya', Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 19 11:05:25 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:05:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song References: Message-ID: <000901c46dba$f8406190$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> By the Playmates (very slowly) Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep While riding in my Cadillac What to my surprise A little Nash Rambler was following me About one third my size The guy musta wanted to pass me up As he kept on tooting his horn I'll show him that a Cadillac is not a car to scorn Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (slowly) I pushed my foot down to the floor To give the guy the shake But the little Nash Rambler stayed right behind He still had on his brake He musta thought his car had more guts As he kept on tooting his horn (beep beep) I'll show him that a Cadillac is not a car to scorn Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (normal speed) My car went into passing gear And we took off with gust (whoosh) Soon we were going ninety Musta left him in the dust When I peeked in the mirror of my car I couldn't believe my eyes The little Nash Rambler was right behind You'd think that guy could fly Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (quickly) Now we were doing a hundred and ten This certainly was a race For a Rambler to pass a Caddy Would be a big disgrace The guy musta wanted to pass me up As he kept on tooting his horn (beep beep) I'll show him that a Cadillac is not a car to scorn Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (very quickly) Now we're going a hundred twenty As fast as I can go The Rambler pulled along side of me As if we were going slow The fella rolled down his window And yelled for me to hear "Hey buddy how do I get this car outa second gear?" Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: ".Newsgroup ATIS" Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 9:59 PM Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song > Can someone tell me the name or singer of the oldies song that > goes something like this: > > A Cadillac was driving and a Nash came up behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > the Cadillac sped up but the Nash was still right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > Then the Cadillac hit 120, all it could go. > The Nash was right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > Then the Nash came up along side of the Cadillac and asked > "How do I get this thing out of second gear"? > > Thanks, Glenn > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 19 12:16:31 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:16:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - anyone here from Ohio? In-Reply-To: <000e01c46dc2$f1aac480$70680b42@gnarmstrong> Message-ID: <007501c46dc4$ee556d10$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> More specifically, anyone near Painesville, Ohio? IF Barbara approves, I may consider a car on ebay, however, it's in Ohio and I doin't like to buy unless somone has looked it over that I'd trust. Bill Runnells, Iowa From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 19 12:36:21 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:36:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag flywheel help needed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007f01c46dc7$b18af550$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> That's pretty much how I do it. Put the nut on the shaft so it's flush. Too far and you risk mushrooming the shaft, not far enough and you'll drive the nut on and ruin threads. Should take only a good solid tap. If you go STRAIGHT at the end if the shaft, not at any angle, it should be fine. I understand a list member has developed a special Maytag flywheel puller. It's shown on his web site.............. Anyone have the link to Dave's special Maytag flywheel tool? Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tucker Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 1:47 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag flywheel help needed. >Am I going about this the correct way? More or less. Maytag Mark suggested to me to hold the engine a few inches off the ground by the flywheel (hold it horizontally). With the nut loosely on the crankshaft, have Devon tap on the nut and it should pop right off. See ya', Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Mon Jul 19 12:49:11 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:49:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song References: <009901c46db2$20feeb00$07905841@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <003501c46dc9$76d76c20$215c14d0@net.telenet.net> For yourself or friends? I always thought the first notes were..... dumb,dumb,dumb, he dumb, he dumb, he dumb........ Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song > Will trade a copy of Beep Beep by the Playmates for an MP3 of > Charlton Heston reading the forward from Jurassic Park . > This week I am learning Bachs Fugue in G , thats an old song > Dom Dom Dom duh dom de dum de dum de dum > > > Many Happy Etudes , > Dudes > Chuck B > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 19 13:40:41 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:40:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FW: Your message to Mailman awaits moderator approval Message-ID: <009001c46dd0$aa069600$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> WOW - I guess I'm no longer a member??? See, it even went to the right email I've been using. Have I been kicked off the list? Bill -----Original Message----- From: mailman-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com [mailto:mailman-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 2:37 PM To: bill at antique-engines.com Subject: Your message to Mailman awaits moderator approval Your mail to 'Mailman' with the subject RE: [SEL] Maytag flywheel help needed. Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Jul 19 14:20:22 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:20:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song In-Reply-To: <000d01c46daf$9b1ed510$18c68890@chaos> References: <000d01c46daf$9b1ed510$18c68890@chaos> Message-ID: <71D9C162-D9C9-11D8-B605-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> That's pretty funny! John On Jul 19, 2004, at 12:44 PM, derek wrote: > here you go > http://lp2cd.com/time/MP3/the_playmates--beep_beep040328.mp3 John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Jul 19 14:22:35 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:22:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song In-Reply-To: <009901c46db2$20feeb00$07905841@oemcomputer> References: <009901c46db2$20feeb00$07905841@oemcomputer> Message-ID: > This week I am learning Bachs Fugue in G , thats an old song > Dom Dom Dom duh dom de dum de dum de dum Can't help you with that one. This week I've been working on "Ain't No Sunshine When She's Gone" and "I just Want To Make Love To You." Couple more good old classics. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From wilson at stny.rr.com Mon Jul 19 14:31:58 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:31:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT -THanks to all for the Nash BEEP BEEP BEEP song info! Message-ID: I am amazed at how many people hunted down information about that song and emailed me back! I never expected anywhere near as many replys..... Thanks to all of you.. Glenn From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 19 14:42:52 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:42:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FW: Your message to Mailman awaits moderator approval In-Reply-To: <009001c46dd0$aa069600$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <00a301c46dd9$59e4bc70$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> HA - even this one got that same reply back! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Dickerson Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 3:41 PM To: Atis Engine List Subject: [SEL] FW: Your message to Mailman awaits moderator approval WOW - I guess I'm no longer a member??? See, it even went to the right email I've been using. Have I been kicked off the list? Bill -----Original Message----- From: mailman-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com [mailto:mailman-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 2:37 PM To: bill at antique-engines.com Subject: Your message to Mailman awaits moderator approval Your mail to 'Mailman' with the subject RE: [SEL] Maytag flywheel help needed. Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldiron at charter.net Mon Jul 19 15:39:39 2004 From: oldiron at charter.net (Myron Busch) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:39:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. New Home Wiring Questions References: <009501c46d33$724c9e00$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <005e01c46de1$4776e560$6401a8c0@myron> This is what I suggest for communications wiring, telephone, cable for a lot of items. Install plastic conduit, the bigger the better that will fit in the space, one inch or 3/4 inch. Then with accessible pull boxes you can change cables and up grade as needed for the future. Just how many homes have flat 300 ohm twin lead for television that is no longer used. If they used conduit then you could pull out the 300 ohm and install the most modern high efficient cable. Over time technology will change and maybe you would like to add closed circuit TV. Using conduit you can place the runs away from the electrical line's preventing crosstalk and spikes in the communications lines. Just a thought. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 8:55 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. New Home Wiring Questions > Ok you electrical guru's I am ringing your phone again. > > I am now 98% through with wiring my son's new home and I am now ready to > start wiring the phone and satellite circuits and here is my questions: From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Jul 19 16:01:55 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:01:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Rollag Message-ID: <004101c46de4$634d5500$06856ad5@one> I received this from the steam list that is on ATIS. Thought some of you would be interested in the sad news. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'Steam-engine mailing list'" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:34 AM Subject: [Steam-engine] Bad news from Rollag > Last night I received the following message from my brother. He got the > information from his daughter who lives in Moorhead, Minnesota. > Orrin ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Bad news at Rollag. Tornado went thru last Friday, tens of thousands of > dollars in damage. The huge shed housing the threshing machines had been > hurt in a previous storm. Demolished in this one and moved many feet. Some of the machines destroyed, I think maybe the oldest, wooden ones. > "Others badly damaged. Other buildings also damaged. I assume that trees > were hurt too. Plans are to have the Reunion as scheduled, if volunteers > turn out in sufficient numbers to do all the work." > Orrin Iseminger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This is news to me so I thought I should cross post it! Dave Croft Warrington England http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv British Map http://pub32.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=2692147218 World Map http://pub13.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=1064374771 From alanb2 at webtv.net Mon Jul 19 16:50:00 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:50:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters In-Reply-To: Curt Holland 's message of Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:00:24 -0400 Message-ID: <4324-40FC5E28-5067@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net> Hi Curt, I am very sorry to say I have no idea where to buy fine screen like that. I was wondering the same thing. I really liked what I found there. I have run that engine many days at shows and I had no idea there was a screen like that keeping crud out of the mixer. I am putting together another Hercules that is ten years older. It is a model E 1-1/2 hp. I want to give it a filter just like it's newer cousin. 8>)) I just ordered the tank and fuel line that goes from the tank to the mixer from Hit-N-Miss. I wonder if the pipe will have a screen attached,,,,,, 8>)) Normally I would just make up the fuel line and check valve, but I am working so many hours now I would much rather just install the parts. SO,,,, Anybody know where to buy VERY fine mesh brass scee???? Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan ~~~~~Curt?Holland wrote~~~~~~ Alan, Any thoughts on where to buy the fine brass screen you mentioned? I've never seen any in a hardware store but need to buy some for an engine Devin and I are working on. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Alan Bowen wrote: Picture fine brass screen rolled up to fit into the end of the fuel pipe that screws into the tank. Then solder it into the pipe and fold and solder the end shut. Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From ELIDAS at aol.com Mon Jul 19 16:53:55 2004 From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:53:55 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song Message-ID: <145.2ea3e3ce.2e2db913@aol.com> Beep Beep has a special significance for me. The Playmates were a local group (so I'm told) and the place I work at was a Rambler dealer . Mike Semanoff Waterbury,Ct From carriagehillfarm at att.net Mon Jul 19 17:17:52 2004 From: carriagehillfarm at att.net (Jim Fisk) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:17:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Little Nash Rambler Message-ID: Try http://www.geocities.com/nashmetro_1961/beep.html it even has a sound file of the song. Also http://sniff.numachi.com/~rickheit/dtrad/pages/tiBEEPBEEP.html Jim & Elaine Fisk Carriage Hill Farm North Branch, MN carriagehillfarm at att.net --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.723 / Virus Database: 479 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 19 17:20:26 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:20:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song In-Reply-To: <145.2ea3e3ce.2e2db913@aol.com> Message-ID: <00bf01c46def$5cb3e000$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> You are from where they were from, you are correct. They started as "the nitwits". Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of ELIDAS at aol.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 6:54 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song Beep Beep has a special significance for me. The Playmates were a local group (so I'm told) and the place I work at was a Rambler dealer . Mike Semanoff Waterbury,Ct _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Mon Jul 19 17:33:53 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 0:33:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters Message-ID: <3948se$3uund0@mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net> > Alan, > Any thoughts on where to buy the fine brass screen you mentioned? I've > never seen any in a hardware store but need to buy some for an engine > Devin and I are working on. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > Curt, go to an auto parts store that's been around a while and look at the screens for A/C expansion valves, Chuck may have some hanging around. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From jbcast at charter.net Mon Jul 19 17:58:30 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 0:58:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing Message-ID: <3a57rt$3o8p5t@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> I took the mixer of my 12hp Herc throttle governed this weekend, it was overspeeding, over 300 with the throttle shut down. The butterfly looks to be home made, soldered in. It didn't fit very closed when shut so I worked on it a while and got it to shut fairly tight. I put it together and it ran about 325 on the governor, when throttled down it would die. I took it down and when the throttle was closed it blocked the fuel tube. I drilled a small hole where the tube met the butterfly, I can now slow it down to about 200 rpm s in the slow position. Still a lot faster than I would like, I'll have to work on it some more. What kind of speeds can I expect from an engine like this? J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 19 18:07:39 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 20:07:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing In-Reply-To: <3a57rt$3o8p5t@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <00cb01c46df5$f5af2d90$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Can't say on the Herc, but some mixers and modern carbs use a throttle plate that is NOT round. It closes the passage, but is not straight up and down, or perpendicular to the throat. This way it won't close off the fuel tube. In other words, on many engines, the throttle when closed will be at a slight angle - they are egg-shaped rather than round, to accomplish this. IF that one is home-made, it might be round instead. Might take a think on that - see how they are with the engines that list members have. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jbcast at charter.net Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 7:59 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing I took the mixer of my 12hp Herc throttle governed this weekend, it was overspeeding, over 300 with the throttle shut down. The butterfly looks to be home made, soldered in. It didn't fit very closed when shut so I worked on it a while and got it to shut fairly tight. I put it together and it ran about 325 on the governor, when throttled down it would die. I took it down and when the throttle was closed it blocked the fuel tube. I drilled a small hole where the tube met the butterfly, I can now slow it down to about 200 rpm s in the slow position. Still a lot faster than I would like, I'll have to work on it some more. What kind of speeds can I expect from an engine like this? J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Mon Jul 19 18:53:01 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 1:53:01 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing Message-ID: <3a57qo$3qgn81@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net> > > From: "Bill Dickerson" > Date: 2004/07/20 Tue AM 01:07:39 GMT > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Can't say on the Herc, but some mixers and modern carbs use a throttle plate > that is NOT round. > It closes the passage, but is not straight up and down, or perpendicular to > the throat. This way it won't close off the fuel tube. > In other words, on many engines, the throttle when closed will be at a > slight angle - they are egg-shaped rather than round, to accomplish this. IF > that one is home-made, it might be round instead. > > Might take a think on that - see how they are with the engines that list > members have. > > Bill Bill, this one looked like a football, it was touching at the points, rounding them off a little made it seat a lot better. It is still at a noticeable angle when closed, probably 15 or 20 degrees. The fuel tube is at the top of the throat and the butterfly closes toward it, when closed there was no airflow through the tube and the engine would lean out.Restricting the intake like a choke would keep it running. J.B. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Jul 19 18:57:12 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:57:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Fuel Savers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200407200157.i6K1v8X3032723@heavyiron.atis.net> Hi Arnie, I suspect that the fuel savers are a bit of a gimmick. A good intake valve spring will prevent any flutter on the missing strokes. The fuel saver seems to be the first part discarded off the F-M T engines as very few still have them on the engine. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Patrick, The headless Witte engines have a "fuel saver." Recall that the exhaust valve is operated from underneath the valve block by a walking beam. There's a roughly C-shaped piece that couples the exhaust valve to the intake valve at the top of the valve block. When the exhaust valve is held open by the walking beam, the fuel saver lifts the intake valve tightly against the valve seat. My opinion is that this was more a marketing gimmick than an engineering reality. This part is often missing on a headless Witte and I've never noticed any flutter of the intake valve when the engine was free wheeling with the exhaust valve open. See ya, Arnie From pmaples at anaxis.net Mon Jul 19 19:06:42 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:06:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. New Home Wiring Questions References: <009501c46d33$724c9e00$e1f70cd1@VAIO> <005e01c46de1$4776e560$6401a8c0@myron> Message-ID: <002001c46dfe$36557ef0$c5f70cd1@VAIO> Myron, that is an excellent idea. Thanks, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myron Busch" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. New Home Wiring Questions > This is what I suggest for communications wiring, telephone, cable for a lot of items. > > Install plastic conduit, the bigger the better that will fit in the space, one inch or 3/4 inch. Then with accessible pull boxes you > can change cables and up grade as needed for the future. > > Just how many homes have flat 300 ohm twin lead for television that is no longer used. If they used conduit then you could pull out > the 300 ohm and install the most modern high efficient cable. Over time technology will change and maybe you would like to add > closed circuit TV. Using conduit you can place the runs away from the electrical line's preventing crosstalk and spikes in the > communications lines. > > Just a thought. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul From pmaples at anaxis.net Mon Jul 19 19:08:33 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:08:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. New Home Wiring Questions References: <200407191354.i6JDs00v014014@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <003601c46dfe$78292660$c5f70cd1@VAIO> Jim what are you calling rings? not sure I understand what they are. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 8:53 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. New Home Wiring Questions > Hi Paul, > Use rings at the room locations rather than boxes.The modular idea is > the way to go, up to 6 terminations at one location. Get a couple of > interface weatherproof boxes from your phone and Tv cable Co and run all of > the cables to them before you brick or close up the walls. The overhead or > underground should terminate at the same location. > Gota go to work, Jimmy O'Hagan > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jul 19 19:22:08 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:22:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Message response time References: <00e201c46ba9$a2e92550$d0f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <027201c46e00$5c03e130$0400a8c0@Dave> > Well folks it looks like it is taking anywhere from 6 to 7 hours for any SEL > message to make it's flight through cyberspace to the List Members, gosh if > it gets any slower we will have to go the dreaded land lines to communicate. > I think someone needs to change the mag on the server engine, might run > faster...what do you think, maybe a new fuel pump to. > Paul I agree with you 100% Paul! The GREAT importance of ALL the recent posts to the List lends credence to the assertion that something MUST be done before the whole world goes to hell in a hand basket! Idiots could easily take over the Kerry headquarters before anyone receives a post warning us of such an impending event. (Oh, wait a minute, that's already happened--but you get the idea.) The primary thing that we must all realize is that what we have to say is so very important that it needs to be communicated to other List members with as little lag time as is possible. In fact, some of the recent discussion on List is so important to the antique engine world that we must find a way to get it to the screens of List members BEFORE the sender conceives of the idea! Dave From oldengin at udata.com Mon Jul 19 19:23:58 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:23:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters In-Reply-To: <3948se$3uund0@mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3948se$3uund0@mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <40FC823E.8050705@udata.com> jbcast at charter.net wrote: >>Alan, >>Any thoughts on where to buy the fine brass screen you mentioned? I've >>never seen any in a hardware store but need to buy some for an engine >>Devin and I are working on. >>Curt Holland >>Gastonia, NC >> >> >> Curt, how much do you need? I have some you can have if the neede piece is not giant ( only have small pieces)..... -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jul 19 19:37:00 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:37:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing References: <3a57rt$3o8p5t@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <038101c46e02$6f666cf0$0400a8c0@Dave> > I took the mixer of my 12hp Herc throttle governed this weekend, it was overspeeding, over 300 with the throttle shut down. The butterfly looks to be home made, soldered in. It didn't fit very closed when shut so I worked on it a while and got it to shut fairly tight. I put it together and it ran about 325 on the governor, when throttled down it would die. I took it down and when the throttle was closed it blocked the fuel tube. I drilled a small hole where the tube met the butterfly, I can now slow it down to about 200 rpm s in the slow position. Still a lot faster than I would like, I'll have to work on it some more. What kind of speeds can I expect from an engine like this? > J.B. Castagnos Hi J.B., My 12 HP T/G Herc ran at about 90 RPM's. Dave From glenn.karch at gte.net Mon Jul 19 19:37:31 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:37:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters References: <11747-40FB1940-2196@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> <40FBB7D8.7080102@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00cf01c46e02$84186e00$bb47f143@oemcomputer> Curt, Starbolt, Hitt & Miss and ohters have the fine brass screen. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters > Alan, > Any thoughts on where to buy the fine brass screen you mentioned? I've > never seen any in a hardware store but need to buy some for an engine > Devin and I are working on. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Alan Bowen wrote: > > >Picture fine brass screen rolled up to fit into the end of the fuel pipe > >that screws into the tank. Then solder it into the pipe and fold and > >solder the end shut. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From glenn.karch at gte.net Mon Jul 19 19:40:28 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:40:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing References: <3a57rt$3o8p5t@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <00d901c46e02$eca14b40$bb47f143@oemcomputer> JB, You might contact JAMES SWANK. He has a nice running 12 HP EK Hercules. That is the only address that ahows up on his email. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 7:58 PM Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing > I took the mixer of my 12hp Herc throttle governed this weekend, it was overspeeding, over 300 with the throttle shut down. The butterfly looks to be home made, soldered in. It didn't fit very closed when shut so I worked on it a while and got it to shut fairly tight. I put it together and it ran about 325 on the governor, when throttled down it would die. I took it down and when the throttle was closed it blocked the fuel tube. I drilled a small hole where the tube met the butterfly, I can now slow it down to about 200 rpm s in the slow position. Still a lot faster than I would like, I'll have to work on it some more. What kind of speeds can I expect from an engine like this? > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pmaples at anaxis.net Mon Jul 19 19:49:15 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:49:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Message response time References: <00e201c46ba9$a2e92550$d0f70cd1@VAIO> <027201c46e00$5c03e130$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <00ef01c46e04$27e8f6c0$c5f70cd1@VAIO> Hey Dave I changed the Mag and installed a new plug in the server and it is running better now...what do you think? May need to advance the timing just a hair but it is getting close. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Message response time > > Well folks it looks like it is taking anywhere from 6 to 7 hours for any > SEL > > message to make it's flight through cyberspace to the List Members, gosh > if > > it gets any slower we will have to go the dreaded land lines to > communicate. > > I think someone needs to change the mag on the server engine, might run > > faster...what do you think, maybe a new fuel pump to. > > Paul > > I agree with you 100% Paul! The GREAT importance of ALL the recent posts to > the List lends credence to the assertion that something MUST be done before > From cjclem at sysim.net Mon Jul 19 19:57:20 2004 From: cjclem at sysim.net (John) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:57:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fine Brass Screen (wire cloth) In-Reply-To: <40FBB7D8.7080102@imc-group.com> References: <11747-40FB1940-2196@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> <40FBB7D8.7080102@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <1090292240.40fc8a10f29c7@webmail.sysim.net> It is available from MC Master Carr, page 344 or search for "wire cloth" is what industry calls it. Brass is PN 9241T18 Approx $ 21.50 for lifetime roll 1'x 5'. Quoting Curt Holland : > Alan, > Any thoughts on where to buy the fine brass screen you mentioned? > I've > never seen any in a hardware store but need to buy some for an engine > > Devin and I are working on. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Alan Bowen wrote: > > >Picture fine brass screen rolled up to fit into the end of the fuel > pipe > >that screws into the tank. Then solder it into the pipe and fold > and > >solder the end shut. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dotto at velocitus.net Mon Jul 19 20:25:21 2004 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:25:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters In-Reply-To: <40FBB7D8.7080102@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000301c46e09$3406d300$01043c0a@DD1BF421> http://www.mcmaster.com/ -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Holland Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 5:00 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters Alan, Any thoughts on where to buy the fine brass screen you mentioned? I've never seen any in a hardware store but need to buy some for an engine Devin and I are working on. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Alan Bowen wrote: >Picture fine brass screen rolled up to fit into the end of the fuel pipe >that screws into the tank. Then solder it into the pipe and fold and >solder the end shut. > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wara at ozemail.com.au Mon Jul 19 21:10:42 2004 From: wara at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:10:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] olds References: Message-ID: <001001c46e0f$87394a20$576854d2@Young1203> David, I dont know where else the serial no. is stamped other than the plate which is on the (now missing) crank guard. The larger engines - 4A, 5A and 6A - have a nose plate where there is a spot for the number to be stamped, although a lot have nothing stamped there at all. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] olds > Hi Michael, the crank guard is missing as well as the carby but it is the > same as the engine on page 358 in the brb of wendel's. it is the one in the > top right hand corner. are the serial no stamped on the engine anyware? > thanks for the quick reply dave in oz > > > >From: "Michael Young" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Subject: Re: [SEL] olds Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:49:12 +1000 > > > >Hi David, > > > >I dont pretend to be an expert on them but as I have 2 Olds engines, I have > >tried to find out what I could over the years. Tell me what your engine is > >and the exact details on your plate and I will tell you what I can. As far > >as I know there is no one keeping a serial no. register of Olds engines and > >there are no original factory records in captivity. There are a few Olds > >specialists in the States (as in US of) who might care to identify > >themselves and they might know something. > > > >If you have a pre Seager Olds Type A engine (i.e. Olds Gas Power Plate - > >with B serial no. prefix.) it can probably be dated within a year or so. > >They were made in the 1904/5 - 1910 era. The early engines - pre 1904 - > >can > >also be very roughly dated but I dont know about the Seager plated engines. > > > >I have a 12Hp type A ~1909 and a gearless 12hp ~1898/9 which has given me a > >keen interest in this brand. > > > >Regards, > > > >Michael Young > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "David Nicolson" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 6:47 PM > >Subject: [SEL] olds > > > > > > > hi everyone, just chasing a bit of imfo on a 3hp type a olds i picked up > > > yesterday. any imfo would be appreciated. thanks in advance. dave in oz > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday and find love! > > > http://mobilecentral.ninemsn.com.au/mclovehunt/lovehunt.aspx > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday and find love! > http://mobilecentral.ninemsn.com.au/mclovehunt/lovehunt.aspx > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marshallman at iprimus.com.au Mon Jul 19 21:52:47 2004 From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (jim) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:52:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 19 References: <200407191557.i6JFvcGL009107@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <005501c46e15$68fa28d0$8a651bd3@usernhpg3sdooo> > > Playmates, the Bubble Car Song, probably 1958-59. Try this .... BEEP BEEP The Playmates (very slowly) Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep While riding in my Cadillac What to my surprise A little Nash Rambler was following me About one third my size The guy musta wanted to pass me up As he kept on tooting his horn I'll show him that a Cadillac is not a car to scorn Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (slowly) I pushed my foot down to the floor To give the guy the shake But the little Nash Rambler stayed right behind He still had on his brake He musta thought his car had more guts As he kept on tooting his horn (beep beep) I'll show him that a Cadillac is not a car to scorn Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (normal speed) My car went into passing gear And we took off with gust (whoosh) Soon we were going ninety Musta left him in the dust When I peeked in the mirror of my car I couldn't believe my eyes The little Nash Rambler was right behind You'd think that guy could fly Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (quickly) Now we were doing a hundred and ten This certainly was a race For a Rambler to pass a Caddy Would be a big disgrace The guy musta wanted to pass me up As he kept on tooting his horn (beep beep) I'll show him that a Cadillac is not a car to scorn Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (very quickly) Now we're going a hundred twenty As fast as I can go The Rambler pulled along side of me As if we were going slow The fella rolled down his window And yelled for me to hear "Hey buddy how do I get this car outa second gear?" Jim From old_iron at msn.com Mon Jul 19 22:31:39 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:31:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Orchid ProDesigner II Message-ID: I agree really great card, I am also still using one on an oldie but goodie unit. Peg Pfeiffer >From: "Bruce Younger" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] Orchid ProDesigner II >Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:45:15 -0500 > > >>>>Just to give a quick example of that, we have one machine we run DOS >CAD programmes on, and that uses a 1991 Orchid ProDesigner II graphics >card with 1meg of memory only. That runs perfectly well in Windows with >no problems at all, while some of the newer cards have all sorts of >speed and memory hassles. > > >>>Just a few thoughts from the UK. > > >>>Peter > >That was a GREAT card - not just for its time, but still. I had a 2 meg >version, and it would do anything - never before nor since saw such >great color control. > >Bruce Younger >Lenexa, Kansas USA >mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > >CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: > >This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of >the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for >the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If >you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that >you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) >477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other >use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this >e-mail is strictly prohibited. > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jul 19 16:16:22 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:16:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Maytag flywheel help needed. References: <40FC0CB3.5090901@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <016101c46e40$40fcfb20$f9121bd3@athlon> Ha, Arnie, I see you are refining your workshop technique. Dave's lessons on care in disassembly have finally got through that thick skull of yours. See, there is hope for us all. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 4:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag flywheel help needed. > Hi Curt, > > You have recognized the flaw in your approach. No, you are not going > about the disassembly in the right way. You should take the largest > wood-splitting maul you can find and apply it between the flywheel and > case with a full overhead downward swing. It's best done on a concrete > surface so that no energy is lost burying the motor in the ground with the > blow. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Jul 20 03:12:15 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:12:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Message response time References: <00e201c46ba9$a2e92550$d0f70cd1@VAIO> <027201c46e00$5c03e130$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <01d801c46e42$0ba6e380$f9121bd3@athlon> Hey Dave, I WONDERED when you couldnt hold it any longer!!! VBG Not to say that you aint on the right trail! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Message response time > > Well folks it looks like it is taking anywhere from 6 to 7 hours for any > SEL > > message to make it's flight through cyberspace to the List Members, gosh > if > > it gets any slower we will have to go the dreaded land lines to > communicate. > > I think someone needs to change the mag on the server engine, might run > > faster...what do you think, maybe a new fuel pump to. > > Paul > > I agree with you 100% Paul! The GREAT importance of ALL the recent posts to > the List lends credence to the assertion that something MUST be done before > the whole world goes to hell in a hand basket! Idiots could easily take over > the Kerry headquarters before anyone receives a post warning us of such an > impending event. (Oh, wait a minute, that's already happened--but you get > the idea.) The primary thing that we must all realize is that what we have > to say is so very important that it needs to be communicated to other List > members with as little lag time as is possible. In fact, some of the recent > discussion on List is so important to the antique engine world that we must > find a way to get it to the screens of List members BEFORE the sender > conceives of the idea! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Jul 20 03:55:39 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:55:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing Message-ID: Hi J.B., I've had our throttle gov 9hp Sattley down to about 84 or 86 RPM if I remember right. That is with the Webster mag in the retarded position. I was just thinking...... using some CAD drafting software, if you were to measure the throat diameter in the carb where the butterfly is. Draw a cylinder to represent that throat size. Then take a cross section at the angle where the butterfly would need to be. Make an auxillary view projected out at the angle of the cross section. This would give you a flat pattern of the egg shape needed to close off the throat. Print that off at full size on a printer, cut it out with scissors and transfer it to brass or whatever is used for the butterfly material. Once it was cut out, you then would have to file the edges of the butterfly to match the throat of the carb to close it off tight. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. I can picture it in my mind. I think the hardest part would be to guesstimate the angle the butterfly would need to be at. Luke Tonneberger >From: >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing >Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 0:58:30 +0000 > >I took the mixer of my 12hp Herc throttle governed this weekend, it was >overspeeding, over 300 with the throttle shut down. The butterfly looks to >be home made, soldered in. It didn't fit very closed when shut so I worked >on it a while and got it to shut fairly tight. I put it together and it ran >about 325 on the governor, when throttled down it would die. I took it down >and when the throttle was closed it blocked the fuel tube. I drilled a >small hole where the tube met the butterfly, I can now slow it down to >about 200 rpm s in the slow position. Still a lot faster than I would like, >I'll have to work on it some more. What kind of speeds can I expect from an >engine like this? >J.B. Castagnos >Belle Rose, LA _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From jbcast at charter.net Tue Jul 20 04:12:23 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:12:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing Message-ID: <391ogq$3p8vd3@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> > > From: "Luke Tonneberger" > Date: 2004/07/20 Tue AM 10:55:39 GMT > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: RE: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing > > Hi J.B., > > I've had our throttle gov 9hp Sattley down to about 84 or 86 RPM if I > remember right. That is with the Webster mag in the retarded position. > I was just thinking...... using some CAD drafting software, if you were to > measure the throat diameter in the carb where the butterfly is. Draw a > cylinder to represent that throat size. Then take a cross section at the > angle where the butterfly would need to be. Make an auxillary view > projected out at the angle of the cross section. This would give you a flat > pattern of the egg shape needed to close off the throat. Print that off at > full size on a printer, cut it out with scissors and transfer it to brass or > whatever is used for the butterfly material. Once it was cut out, you then > would have to file the edges of the butterfly to match the throat of the > carb to close it off tight. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. > I can picture it in my mind. I think the hardest part would be to > guesstimate the angle the butterfly would need to be at. > > Luke Tonneberger Luke, my plan was to correct the wear in the throttle shaft and clean up the bore in the throat where the butterfly seats. I would then take a piece of shaft and turn it to match the bore, cut it at the correct angle, screw the plate to it and machine it, it would be wobbleing in the lathe looking at it. This should give a nice fit. J.B. From jbcast at charter.net Tue Jul 20 04:19:06 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:19:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing Message-ID: <391s2r$3q4uep@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net> > > Hi J.B., My 12 HP T/G Herc ran at about 90 RPM's. > Dave > Thanks Dave, that's what I was hoping to get it to. >>You might contact JAMES SWANK. He has a nice running 12 HP EK Hercules. That is the only address that ahows up on his email. Glenn>> Thanks Glenn, I'll see if I can get in touch with him. J.B. Castagnos From curt at imc-group.com Tue Jul 20 04:38:10 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:38:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Beep Beep] Message-ID: <40FD0422.6000400@imc-group.com> More info on your song Glenn..... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Beep Beep Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:49:24 +0000 From: "jerry bumbaugh" To: curt at imc-group.com "Beep Beep" Hit the top 40 on the Billboard charts June 9, 1958, made number 4, and was in the top 40 for 12 weeks. http://www.geocities.com/nashmetro_1961/beep.html From bolhuis at amtelecom.net Tue Jul 20 04:44:58 2004 From: bolhuis at amtelecom.net (Bob & Sheila Bolhuis) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:44:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters References: <4324-40FC5E28-5067@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <002f01c46e4e$fc083fc0$6500a8c0@EMACHINE> >I am very sorry to say I have no idea where to buy fine screen like >that. >I was wondering the same thing. I really liked what I found there. I >have run that engine many days at shows and I had no idea there was a >screen like that keeping crud out of the mixer. Ken Branson Jr. ( he sells tools at a lot of the shows ) sells it in 12 x 12 sheets I believe his brother and dad, Branson Enterprises ( ignitors , mags and carbs ) also have it Bob Bob & Sheila Bolhuis RR#4 Aylmer , Ont, Can N5H-2R3 519-765-3337 From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Jul 20 04:52:03 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:52:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers In-Reply-To: <015b01c46e40$180109a0$f9121bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <200407201152.i6KBpx8P028555@heavyiron.atis.net> If the fuel savers were such a good idea how come they were not universally adopted in the USA? I also cannot think of any English engines which used a fuel saver mechanism. Tangyes would be a good example of an English engine that could have benefited from such a mechanism. They govern by holding the exhaust valve open but have an atmospheric intake valve. The fuel intake is through the valve seat of the atmospheric valve. Any fluttering of this valve would allow fuel in and the engine would not govern properly (if at all). Admittedly the spring tension is critical but it all seems to work fine. Perhaps the fuel saver was a mechanical way to get around the need for critical spring tensions on the mass produced American engines? Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- This was a much needed item on larger H&M engines. The problem was that the inlet valve spring did not have the strength to hold it shut on the 'miss' strokes and yet be weak enough to allow the fuel mix free entry on the 'hit cycle'. Under these conditions the fuel loss would have been quite high. It must have been for the makers to go to this extra expense. Some designs would have been worse than others but, makers of engines that sold well took the trouble to add this feature. It was, then as now, easy to lose customers due to a 'greedy' engine model. After all, the ability to do a job using less fuel than the opposition was a good selling point. Users of engines were very aware of the cost of fuel. Same as now. If I had a unit that gobbled fuel, I would not replace it with another like it. I wonder how many makers went under due to this excessive fuel drinking? Reg & Marg Ingold. From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Tue Jul 20 04:57:53 2004 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:57:53 EDT Subject: [SEL] olds Message-ID: Hi Dave I have a 1 1/2 hp Olds and it has the piston diameter stamped on top of the piston. What dia piston do you have? Woody peterwoodmore at aol.com 27 Craig Av Moorebank 2170 NSW Australia From curt at imc-group.com Tue Jul 20 05:21:51 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:21:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters/Baker Monitor pick up tube References: <3948se$3uund0@mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net> <40FC823E.8050705@udata.com> Message-ID: <40FD0E5F.5060709@imc-group.com> Leroy, I'm guessing about 2" square? I need to ask the Baker Monitor experts a question first. I pulled the fuel pick up out of the gas tank and the bottom end is a badly rusted piece of 1/8 pipe. Just a thin rusty pipe with no screen on the end. Is this correct? Or should there be a screen filter soldered on the end? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Leroy C. wrote: > jbcast at charter.net wrote: > >>> Alan, >>> Any thoughts on where to buy the fine brass screen you mentioned? >>> I've never seen any in a hardware store but need to buy some for an >>> engine Devin and I are working on. >>> Curt Holland >>> Gastonia, NC >>> >>> >> > Curt, how much do you need? I have some you can have if the neede > piece is not giant ( only have small pieces)..... > From pmaples at anaxis.net Tue Jul 20 05:45:24 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:45:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A Message from the Past Message-ID: <01c601c46e57$7169dd70$c5f70cd1@VAIO> He gang I think I retarded the timing too much when I was working on speeding up our SEL Server, I had already mentioned that I installed a new mag and spark plug and things were running faster but then, you know me, I had to go and mess with the timing and I guess I retarded it too much. I GOT A MESSAGE JUST AWHILE AGO THAT I HAD SENT OVER A YEAR AGO AND IT WAS SENT TO THE OLD SEL ADDRESS. I think I better quit working on the Server and let Spencer do his own magic. For you folks that don't know what I am talking about just forget it as it aint' worth the trouble trying to figure it out. What I said about the message is true and just thought it was interesting.......anyone else getting any messages from the past? Paul From pmaples at anaxis.net Tue Jul 20 06:17:21 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:17:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers References: <200407201152.i6KBpx8P028555@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <01dd01c46e5b$e6c78050$c5f70cd1@VAIO> Patrick, I just now realized that you are the one who is bidding on my 1911 Stover Reprint Book on E-bay. I wish I had know this and I would have sold you the book for $15.00. Don't bid anymore on this book and hopefully someone will bump your bid and if they do I will send you one for $15.00 plus the cost of postage. I don't do friends this way. Thanks, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: ; "Stationary Engine ATIS List" Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 6:52 AM Subject: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers > If the fuel savers were such a good idea how come they were not universally > adopted in the USA? I also cannot think of any English engines which used a > fuel saver mechanism. > Tangyes would be a good example of an English engine that could have > benefited from such a mechanism. They govern by holding the exhaust valve > open but have an atmospheric intake valve. The fuel intake is through the > valve seat of the atmospheric valve. Any fluttering of this valve would > allow fuel in and the engine would not govern properly (if at all). > Admittedly the spring tension is critical but it all seems to work fine. > Perhaps the fuel saver was a mechanical way to get around the need for > critical spring tensions on the mass produced American engines? > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > -----Original Message----- > This was a much needed item on larger H&M engines. > The problem was that the inlet valve spring did not have the strength to > hold it shut on the 'miss' strokes and yet be weak enough to allow the fuel > mix free entry on the 'hit cycle'. > Under these conditions the fuel loss would have been quite high. > It must have been for the makers to go to this extra expense. > Some designs would have been worse than others but, makers of engines that > sold well took the trouble to add this feature. It was, then as now, easy to > lose customers due to a 'greedy' engine model. > After all, the ability to do a job using less fuel than the opposition was a > good selling point. > Users of engines were very aware of the cost of fuel. Same as now. > If I had a unit that gobbled fuel, I would not replace it with another like > it. > I wonder how many makers went under due to this excessive fuel drinking? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Jul 20 06:57:19 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:57:19 +0000 Subject: [SEL] A Message from the Past Message-ID: <072020041357.20843.37b5@mchsi.com> Hey Paul you need spend less time on that junk puter you have and more time on restoring something worthwile......Stover model "C"......... Curt > He gang I think I retarded the timing too much when I was working on > speeding up our SEL Server, I had already mentioned that I installed a new > mag and spark plug and things were running faster but then, you know me, I > had to go and mess with the timing and I guess I retarded it too much. I GOT > A MESSAGE JUST AWHILE AGO THAT I HAD SENT OVER A YEAR AGO AND IT WAS SENT TO > THE OLD SEL ADDRESS. I think I better quit working on the Server and let > Spencer do his own magic. > > For you folks that don't know what I am talking about just forget it as it > aint' worth the trouble trying to figure it out. What I said about the > message is true and just thought it was interesting.......anyone else > getting any messages from the past? > > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Jul 20 07:59:47 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:59:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Message response time References: <00e201c46ba9$a2e92550$d0f70cd1@VAIO> <027201c46e00$5c03e130$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <40FD3363.EACF902E@insulate.co.uk> Dave's post has led me to the solution of this problem. All that is needed is for EVERYONE to adjust the clock on their computers by putting them forward 6 hours. That way, we'll receive all the posts at the correct time. Dolly Dave Rotigel wrote: > The primary thing that we must all realize is that what we have > to say is so very important that it needs to be communicated to other List > members with as little lag time as is possible. In fact, some of the recent > discussion on List is so important to the antique engine world that we must > find a way to get it to the screens of List members BEFORE the sender > conceives of the idea! > Dave > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Jul 20 08:12:25 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Rollag In-Reply-To: <004101c46de4$634d5500$06856ad5@one> Message-ID: <20040720151225.14659.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Dave Thanks for the sad news. I did some searching and found this story. Looks like it hit late on Monday 7/12 (11:30pm-1:30 am). I enjoyed my visit to the show last fall. This story has a few pictures. http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=64476§ion=News The site has several more photos. And may require you to register to view. Steve --- Dave Croft wrote: I received this from the steam list that is on ATIS. Thought some of you would be interested in the sad news. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'Steam-engine mailing list'" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:34 AM Subject: [Steam-engine] Bad news from Rollag Last night I received the following message from my brother. He got the information from his daughter who lives in Moorhead, Minnesota. Orrin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Bad news at Rollag. Tornado went thru last Friday, tens of thousands of dollars in damage. The huge shed housing the threshing machines had been hurt in a previous storm. Demolished in this one and moved many feet. Some of the machines destroyed, I think maybe the oldest, wooden ones. "Others badly damaged. Other buildings also damaged. I assume that trees were hurt too. Plans are to have the Reunion as scheduled, if volunteers turn out in sufficient numbers to do all the work." Orrin Iseminger ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This is news to me so I thought I should cross post it! Dave Croft Warrington England http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv British Map http://pub32.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=2692147218 World Map http://pub13.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=1064374771 From pmaples at anaxis.net Tue Jul 20 08:49:11 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:49:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Message response time References: <00e201c46ba9$a2e92550$d0f70cd1@VAIO><027201c46e00$5c03e130$0400a8c0@Dave> <40FD3363.EACF902E@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <023a01c46e71$1cd6de60$c5f70cd1@VAIO> WOW, Leave it to Dolly to come up with a simple solution to a complicated technical issue, BRAVO, BRAVO, Dolly. I just set my clock on my computer ahead six hours so now all of my messages will be on time or early, this is great. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Message response time > Dave's post has led me to the solution of this problem. All that is needed is > for EVERYONE to adjust the clock on their computers by putting them forward 6 > hours. That way, we'll receive all the posts at the correct time. > > Dolly > > Dave Rotigel wrote: > > > The primary thing that we must all realize is that what we have > > to say is so very important that it needs to be communicated to other List > > members with as little lag time as is possible. In fact, some of the recent > > discussion on List is so important to the antique engine world that we must > > find a way to get it to the screens of List members BEFORE the sender > > conceives of the idea! > > Dave > > > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Jul 20 09:40:54 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:40:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Message response time References: <00e201c46ba9$a2e92550$d0f70cd1@VAIO> <027201c46e00$5c03e130$0400a8c0@Dave> <40FD3363.EACF902E@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <40FD4B16.2000405@imc-group.com> Dolly, You're brilliant! It's no wonder Jim knew you were such a great catch! Curt Jim French wrote: >Dave's post has led me to the solution of this problem. All that is needed is >for EVERYONE to adjust the clock on their computers by putting them forward 6 >hours. That way, we'll receive all the posts at the correct time. > >Dolly > > > >> >> > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jul 20 09:41:59 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Message response time In-Reply-To: <40FD4B16.2000405@imc-group.com> References: <00e201c46ba9$a2e92550$d0f70cd1@VAIO> <027201c46e00$5c03e130$0400a8c0@Dave> <40FD3363.EACF902E@insulate.co.uk> <40FD4B16.2000405@imc-group.com> Message-ID: AND he knew it six hours BEFORE she did!! On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Curt Holland wrote: > Dolly, > You're brilliant! It's no wonder Jim knew you were such a great catch! > Curt > > Jim French wrote: > > >Dave's post has led me to the solution of this problem. All that is needed is > >for EVERYONE to adjust the clock on their computers by putting them forward 6 > >hours. That way, we'll receive all the posts at the correct time. > >Dolly From curt at imc-group.com Tue Jul 20 10:08:35 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:08:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers References: <200407201152.i6KBpx8P028555@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <40FD5193.1090104@imc-group.com> Patrick, I am going to go out on a limb here and say that I think the fuel savers were adopted on the better engineered engines in the US. Three well engineered engines come to mind at the moment. 1) Hercules - Hercules continued the use of the fuel saver over into the throttle governed engines due to their merit. 2) IHC - The Famous lines incorporated the fuel saver into the intake valve stand on at least the H&M style. It was no easy task to add this feature but apparently the fuel savings justified the effort. 3) Stickney - Charles Stickney was a intense engineer who really pushed the superior engineering features in the Stickney sales literature. The fuel saver on a Stickney is a complicated bent push rod casting that wraps around the lower portion of the water hopper to get at the intake valve on the front. Again, it was no easy task to add this feature but apparently the fuel savings justified the effort. Can anyone name other engines that used the fuel saver feature to this list? How about a list of engines that did not use the feature? As Reg mentioned, bore size necessitated the use of the fuel saver. Are there some manufacturers of engines that used fuel savers on their larger HP engines but did not use them on their smaller HP engines? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >If the fuel savers were such a good idea how come they were not universally >adopted in the USA? I also cannot think of any English engines which used a >fuel saver mechanism. >Tangyes would be a good example of an English engine that could have >benefited from such a mechanism. They govern by holding the exhaust valve >open but have an atmospheric intake valve. The fuel intake is through the >valve seat of the atmospheric valve. Any fluttering of this valve would >allow fuel in and the engine would not govern properly (if at all). >Admittedly the spring tension is critical but it all seems to work fine. >Perhaps the fuel saver was a mechanical way to get around the need for >critical spring tensions on the mass produced American engines? > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > >-----Original Message----- >This was a much needed item on larger H&M engines. >The problem was that the inlet valve spring did not have the strength to >hold it shut on the 'miss' strokes and yet be weak enough to allow the fuel >mix free entry on the 'hit cycle'. >Under these conditions the fuel loss would have been quite high. >It must have been for the makers to go to this extra expense. >Some designs would have been worse than others but, makers of engines that >sold well took the trouble to add this feature. It was, then as now, easy to >lose customers due to a 'greedy' engine model. >After all, the ability to do a job using less fuel than the opposition was a >good selling point. >Users of engines were very aware of the cost of fuel. Same as now. >If I had a unit that gobbled fuel, I would not replace it with another like >it. >I wonder how many makers went under due to this excessive fuel drinking? >Reg & Marg Ingold. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From kerogas at the-i.net Tue Jul 20 10:29:02 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:29:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters References: <11747-40FB1940-2196@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> <40FBB7D8.7080102@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003301c46e7f$0e0188a0$07905841@oemcomputer> > Alan, > Any thoughts on where to buy the fine brass screen you mentioned? I've > never seen any in a hardware store but need to buy some for an engine > Devin and I are working on. Head shops From kerogas at the-i.net Tue Jul 20 10:37:34 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:37:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters References: <3948se$3uund0@mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <007101c46e80$3e576280$07905841@oemcomputer> > > > Curt, go to an auto parts store that's been around a while and look at the screens for A/C expansion valves, Chuck may have some hanging around. I do have some cone shaped still . Theres also one with a brass neck that you push into a #6 tube but they suck there are also funnels you can poke the screen out of with your finger . JB---- are you doing any of the brazed AC line repairs ? (Braze on beadocks and the like to save manifold assys . ) Chuck From kerogas at the-i.net Tue Jul 20 10:49:09 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:49:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing References: <3a57rt$3o8p5t@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <00e801c46e81$dd9ff220$07905841@oemcomputer> I can now slow it down to about 200 rpm s in the slow position. Still a lot faster than I would like, I'll have to work on it some more. What kind of speeds can I expect from an engine like this? a fourth of that bro ! Time to grab some shears aye ? Im partial to the lids from Bush's Beans . Leroy is most qualified for spec'ing lid metals From kerogas at the-i.net Tue Jul 20 10:51:32 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:51:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters/Baker Monitor pick up tube References: <3948se$3uund0@mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net><40FC823E.8050705@udata.com> <40FD0E5F.5060709@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <010e01c46e82$3743a380$07905841@oemcomputer> RE; Monitor VJ Or should there be a screen filter soldered on the end? I havent found one yet . It nearly 8 inches straight up anyway . not a real problem From kerogas at the-i.net Tue Jul 20 10:57:35 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:57:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag flywheel help needed. References: <40FC0CB3.5090901@imc-group.com> <016101c46e40$40fcfb20$f9121bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <013001c46e83$0a962640$07905841@oemcomputer> > Ha, Arnie, I see you are refining your workshop technique. I see he is no longer recomending the 100 ton Bliss press http://www.tannerite.com/she_exploding_targets.html Have you tried any of this ? 50 state legal . From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jul 20 10:56:27 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:56:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers In-Reply-To: <40FD5193.1090104@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <019301c46e82$e320adb0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> 2hp Chapman doesn't have such a device, the 7hp (and other higher HPs) did. One must consider the relationship of the intake valve to the exhaust valve. On the 2hp, they are side-by-side, on the larger engines, they are above on another - the exhaust pushes toward the head to open, the intake pushes toward the back of the engine to open. As the rush of exhaust gases passes the intake in its way out, it tends to float the intake like the rush of air over an airplane wing - there is lift. Of course, a stronger intake spring could keep it closed, but it would take a pretty stout spring if the engine speed was high enough to make for a good rush of exhaust gases pouring out, then you'd have issues on the intake end. Anyway, I can sure see where there could be a need for it on this large Chapman, that's a lot of exhaust gas rushing by - it's a large bore and stroke, so I suspect there was a pretty good pull on that intake, almost a "siphon" effect as the gas rushed past that intake valve, wanting to pull the intake mix right in and out with it. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Holland Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 12:09 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers Patrick, I am going to go out on a limb here and say that I think the fuel savers were adopted on the better engineered engines in the US. Three well engineered engines come to mind at the moment. 1) Hercules - Hercules continued the use of the fuel saver over into the throttle governed engines due to their merit. 2) IHC - The Famous lines incorporated the fuel saver into the intake valve stand on at least the H&M style. It was no easy task to add this feature but apparently the fuel savings justified the effort. 3) Stickney - Charles Stickney was a intense engineer who really pushed the superior engineering features in the Stickney sales literature. The fuel saver on a Stickney is a complicated bent push rod casting that wraps around the lower portion of the water hopper to get at the intake valve on the front. Again, it was no easy task to add this feature but apparently the fuel savings justified the effort. Can anyone name other engines that used the fuel saver feature to this list? How about a list of engines that did not use the feature? As Reg mentioned, bore size necessitated the use of the fuel saver. Are there some manufacturers of engines that used fuel savers on their larger HP engines but did not use them on their smaller HP engines? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >If the fuel savers were such a good idea how come they were not >universally adopted in the USA? I also cannot think of any English >engines which used a fuel saver mechanism. Tangyes would be a good >example of an English engine that could have benefited from such a >mechanism. They govern by holding the exhaust valve open but have an >atmospheric intake valve. The fuel intake is through the valve seat of >the atmospheric valve. Any fluttering of this valve would allow fuel in >and the engine would not govern properly (if at all). Admittedly the >spring tension is critical but it all seems to work fine. Perhaps the >fuel saver was a mechanical way to get around the need for critical >spring tensions on the mass produced American engines? > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > >-----Original Message----- >This was a much needed item on larger H&M engines. >The problem was that the inlet valve spring did not have the strength >to hold it shut on the 'miss' strokes and yet be weak enough to allow >the fuel mix free entry on the 'hit cycle'. Under these conditions the >fuel loss would have been quite high. It must have been for the makers >to go to this extra expense. Some designs would have been worse than >others but, makers of engines that sold well took the trouble to add >this feature. It was, then as now, easy to lose customers due to a >'greedy' engine model. After all, the ability to do a job using less >fuel than the opposition was a good selling point. >Users of engines were very aware of the cost of fuel. Same as now. >If I had a unit that gobbled fuel, I would not replace it with another like >it. >I wonder how many makers went under due to this excessive fuel drinking? >Reg & Marg Ingold. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlwiley123 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 20 11:18:25 2004 From: jlwiley123 at earthlink.net (James Wiley) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Y Motor question Message-ID: <630760.1090347505708.JavaMail.root@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Are there any Y motor experts out there? I need to repair the fuel injector on my 25 HP: While the motor was in someone elses care they broke the end off of the injector and lost the parts broken off. I am not actually sure what all is missing, but the part I still have is the steel part that screws into the head (and stuff inside the injector - held in place, I think, by the broken off brass piece). I think the missing part is brass and has the fitting that the injector line from the pump screwes into. I have the fitting that screws into the pump. So, I actually need everything between the fitting on the pump and the steel body of the injector... Does anyone have an injector they would be willing to sell, or barring that, the parts I need to fix mine, or some way to reproduce what I need? Thanks James L. Wiley Stephenville Texas jlwiley123 at earthlink.net From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Jul 20 12:36:51 2004 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:36:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers Message-ID: Hi Curt, My Gilson Air Cooled has a spring steel arm on the pushrod that holds the intake valve closed! Steve Royster >From: Curt Holland >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers >Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:08:35 -0400 > >Patrick, >I am going to go out on a limb here and say that I think the fuel savers >were adopted on the better engineered engines in the US. >Three well engineered engines come to mind at the moment. >1) Hercules - Hercules continued the use of the fuel saver over into the >throttle governed engines due to their merit. >2) IHC - The Famous lines incorporated the fuel saver into the intake valve >stand on at least the H&M style. It was no easy task to add this feature >but apparently the fuel savings justified the effort. >3) Stickney - Charles Stickney was a intense engineer who really pushed the >superior engineering features in the Stickney sales literature. The fuel >saver on a Stickney is a complicated bent push rod casting that wraps >around the lower portion of the water hopper to get at the intake valve on >the front. Again, it was no easy task to add this feature but >apparently the fuel savings justified the effort. > >Can anyone name other engines that used the fuel saver feature to this >list? >How about a list of engines that did not use the feature? >As Reg mentioned, bore size necessitated the use of the fuel saver. Are >there some manufacturers of engines that used fuel savers on their larger >HP engines but did not use them on their smaller HP engines? > >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > >Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >>If the fuel savers were such a good idea how come they were not >>universally >>adopted in the USA? I also cannot think of any English engines which used >>a >>fuel saver mechanism. >>Tangyes would be a good example of an English engine that could have >>benefited from such a mechanism. They govern by holding the exhaust valve >>open but have an atmospheric intake valve. The fuel intake is through the >>valve seat of the atmospheric valve. Any fluttering of this valve would >>allow fuel in and the engine would not govern properly (if at all). >>Admittedly the spring tension is critical but it all seems to work fine. >>Perhaps the fuel saver was a mechanical way to get around the need for >>critical spring tensions on the mass produced American engines? >> >>Patrick M Livingstone >>Leichhardt NSW >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >> >>-----Original Message----- >>This was a much needed item on larger H&M engines. >>The problem was that the inlet valve spring did not have the strength to >>hold it shut on the 'miss' strokes and yet be weak enough to allow the >>fuel >>mix free entry on the 'hit cycle'. >>Under these conditions the fuel loss would have been quite high. >>It must have been for the makers to go to this extra expense. >>Some designs would have been worse than others but, makers of engines that >>sold well took the trouble to add this feature. It was, then as now, easy >>to >>lose customers due to a 'greedy' engine model. >>After all, the ability to do a job using less fuel than the opposition was >>a >>good selling point. >>Users of engines were very aware of the cost of fuel. Same as now. >>If I had a unit that gobbled fuel, I would not replace it with another >>like >>it. >>I wonder how many makers went under due to this excessive fuel drinking? >>Reg & Marg Ingold. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/ From BetCleve321 at aol.com Tue Jul 20 13:09:58 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:09:58 EDT Subject: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers Message-ID: In a message dated 7/20/2004 1:39:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: Can anyone name other engines that used the fuel saver feature to this list? How about a list of engines that did not use the feature? Absolutely. Anyone with a moustash has a fuel saver. If you have been sluggin' your beer properly while sitting around listening to engines, you should have saved quite a bit of fuel (beer) in yer stash to keep a buzz on while t'olady gets yer another one. Skip From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Tue Jul 20 14:16:57 2004 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers In-Reply-To: <40FD5193.1090104@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20040720211657.63348.qmail@web52607.mail.yahoo.com> I've seen fuel savers on some New Holland engines. F&J used them on the DE, Big 4, People's Priced and model N but dropped the feature sometime in the early 20's. Headless Witte engines also had them. Curt Holland wrote: Patrick, I am going to go out on a limb here and say that I think the fuel savers were adopted on the better engineered engines in the US. Three well engineered engines come to mind at the moment. 1) Hercules - Hercules continued the use of the fuel saver over into the throttle governed engines due to their merit. 2) IHC - The Famous lines incorporated the fuel saver into the intake valve stand on at least the H&M style. It was no easy task to add this feature but apparently the fuel savings justified the effort. 3) Stickney - Charles Stickney was a intense engineer who really pushed the superior engineering features in the Stickney sales literature. The fuel saver on a Stickney is a complicated bent push rod casting that wraps around the lower portion of the water hopper to get at the intake valve on the front. Again, it was no easy task to add this feature but apparently the fuel savings justified the effort. Can anyone name other engines that used the fuel saver feature to this list? How about a list of engines that did not use the feature? As Reg mentioned, bore size necessitated the use of the fuel saver. Are there some manufacturers of engines that used fuel savers on their larger HP engines but did not use them on their smaller HP engines? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >If the fuel savers were such a good idea how come they were not universally >adopted in the USA? I also cannot think of any English engines which used a >fuel saver mechanism. >Tangyes would be a good example of an English engine that could have >benefited from such a mechanism. They govern by holding the exhaust valve >open but have an atmospheric intake valve. The fuel intake is through the >valve seat of the atmospheric valve. Any fluttering of this valve would >allow fuel in and the engine would not govern properly (if at all). >Admittedly the spring tension is critical but it all seems to work fine. >Perhaps the fuel saver was a mechanical way to get around the need for >critical spring tensions on the mass produced American engines? > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > >-----Original Message----- >This was a much needed item on larger H&M engines. >The problem was that the inlet valve spring did not have the strength to >hold it shut on the 'miss' strokes and yet be weak enough to allow the fuel >mix free entry on the 'hit cycle'. >Under these conditions the fuel loss would have been quite high. >It must have been for the makers to go to this extra expense. >Some designs would have been worse than others but, makers of engines that >sold well took the trouble to add this feature. It was, then as now, easy to >lose customers due to a 'greedy' engine model. >After all, the ability to do a job using less fuel than the opposition was a >good selling point. >Users of engines were very aware of the cost of fuel. Same as now. >If I had a unit that gobbled fuel, I would not replace it with another like >it. >I wonder how many makers went under due to this excessive fuel drinking? >Reg & Marg Ingold. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Cheers! NICK Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web! "He who sees the other first already has half the victory." Erich Hartmann "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt" Hans Rudel --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Jul 20 14:27:58 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:27:58 EDT Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing Message-ID: <30.5b9f9fac.2e2ee85e@aol.com> In a message dated 7/19/2004 9:11:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bill at antique-engines.com writes: << they are egg-shaped rather than round >> Most factory ones that I know of are egg shaped and not simple for the home repairman to accomplish. They are egg shaped so they completely close. The problem with round ones home made is that they need to stop at top dead center to work properly. If they go beyond top dead center, they effectively open up again and allow fuel to enter. My 6 hp hopper cooled Famous used to run away from me when I first bought it and I could not figure out why until I pulled it down and found home made round throttle and it was going past top dead center. I made a stop for it and cured the problem. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Jul 20 14:38:54 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:38:54 EDT Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing Message-ID: In a message dated 7/20/2004 7:15:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jbcast at charter.net writes: << I would then take a piece of shaft and turn it to match the bore, cut it at the correct angle, screw the plate to it and machine it, it would be wobbleing in the lathe looking at it >> JB, That is the way to do it, but simpler if you cut a section out of the round piece you have turned, at the correct angle like you said. Then, if the piece is steel, take it to a machine shop and have them put it on their magnetic surface grinder and grind each side to proper thickness you want. Makes a perfect egg shape every time and with proper edge angles to lock up in the bore correctly. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Jul 20 14:49:30 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:49:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally Message-ID: <001001c46ea3$7348ec20$1d0d1bd3@athlon> To the Oz members. I have had quite a few comments over the costs that will be incurred going to this event. If I write to them stating that we are unhappy about the cost of the meal, cost of camping, Single entry and any other gripes you have, Who is going to allow me to add their names to the letter? You can contact me off list or on. I will,as usual, keep this completely open for you all to see and put up the letter for your comments before I send it. I also think the Nat. body need to see a copy of Arnie's letter and the editorial in the GEM. They need to see that they have lost the plot by having us cowering behind barriers. No wonder the hobby in Oz is in decline show wise. Waiting to hear from you. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Jul 20 14:41:56 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:41:56 EDT Subject: [SEL] Message response time Message-ID: <156.3a4543a9.2e2eeba4@aol.com> In a message dated 7/20/2004 11:02:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fbi at insulate.co.uk writes: << All that is needed is for EVERYONE to adjust the clock on their computers by putting them forward 6 hours. >> Geesh Dolly, I am usually in bed by that time. Does that mean I have to adjust my bed time too? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Jul 20 14:51:34 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 23:51:34 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally References: <001001c46ea3$7348ec20$1d0d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <001901c46ea3$b9aec5e0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hit'em up, move them out Reg!! John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > To the Oz members. > I have had quite a few comments over the costs that will be incurred going > to this event. > If I write to them stating that we are unhappy about the cost of the meal, > cost of camping, Single entry and any other gripes you have, Who is going to > allow me to add their names to the letter? > You can contact me off list or on. I will,as usual, keep this completely > open for you all to see and put up the letter for your comments before I > send it. > I also think the Nat. body need to see a copy of Arnie's letter and the > editorial in the GEM. > They need to see that they have lost the plot by having us cowering behind > barriers. > No wonder the hobby in Oz is in decline show wise. > Waiting to hear from you. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From glenn.karch at gte.net Tue Jul 20 14:55:12 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:55:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fuel savers Message-ID: <002a01c46ea4$3e001060$8f29ea41@oemcomputer> Curt etal, My Atlas 4 HP has a fuel saver that works off of a lever activated by the the exhaust valve. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Jul 20 16:37:13 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:37:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally References: <001001c46ea3$7348ec20$1d0d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <006401c46eb2$7ccc14c0$1b6f29cb@oemcomputer> Go for it on all accounts Reg.Yes let us see what you say. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "List SEL" Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 7:49 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally > To the Oz members. > I have had quite a few comments over the costs that will be incurred going > to this event. > If I write to them stating that we are unhappy about the cost of the meal, > cost of camping, Single entry and any other gripes you have, Who is going to > allow me to add their names to the letter? > You can contact me off list or on. I will,as usual, keep this completely > open for you all to see and put up the letter for your comments before I > send it. > I also think the Nat. body need to see a copy of Arnie's letter and the > editorial in the GEM. > They need to see that they have lost the plot by having us cowering behind > barriers. > No wonder the hobby in Oz is in decline show wise. > Waiting to hear from you. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jul 20 17:59:25 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:59:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing In-Reply-To: <30.5b9f9fac.2e2ee85e@aol.com> Message-ID: <01d701c46ebe$18cb3a30$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Egg-zactly. :-) Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 4:28 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing In a message dated 7/19/2004 9:11:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bill at antique-engines.com writes: << they are egg-shaped rather than round >> Most factory ones that I know of are egg shaped and not simple for the home repairman to accomplish. They are egg shaped so they completely close. The problem with round ones home made is that they need to stop at top dead center to work properly. If they go beyond top dead center, they effectively open up again and allow fuel to enter. My 6 hp hopper cooled Famous used to run away from me when I first bought it and I could not figure out why until I pulled it down and found home made round throttle and it was going past top dead center. I made a stop for it and cured the problem. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ottawa at pa.net Tue Jul 20 18:01:17 2004 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:01:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Rollag References: <20040720151225.14659.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005001c46ebe$45675ce0$22f1cd97@HONDESKTOP> Steve, Thanks for posting that site of the Rollag Story. The pictures from ND are unbelievable to most of us Easterners although we did have severe tornado damage just east of Hershey PA last week. We are grateful that tornados are not normally part of our severe weather threats. I can't begin to imagine what must go thru one's mind during a storm like that even though it happens in the wink of an eye. Helen George L. & Helen S. Myers The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Tel 717-536-3711 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 http://community.webshots.com/user/doitnowo ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Barr To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Cc: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 11:12 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Rollag Dave Thanks for the sad news. I did some searching and found this story. Looks like it hit late on Monday 7/12 (11:30pm-1:30 am). I enjoyed my visit to the show last fall. This story has a few pictures. http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=64476§ion=News The site has several more photos. And may require you to register to view. Steve --- Dave Croft wrote: I received this from the steam list that is on ATIS. Thought some of you would be interested in the sad news. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'Steam-engine mailing list'" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:34 AM Subject: [Steam-engine] Bad news from Rollag Last night I received the following message from my brother. He got the information from his daughter who lives in Moorhead, Minnesota. Orrin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Bad news at Rollag. Tornado went thru last Friday, tens of thousands of dollars in damage. The huge shed housing the threshing machines had been hurt in a previous storm. Demolished in this one and moved many feet. Some of the machines destroyed, I think maybe the oldest, wooden ones. "Others badly damaged. Other buildings also damaged. I assume that trees were hurt too. Plans are to have the Reunion as scheduled, if volunteers turn out in sufficient numbers to do all the work." Orrin Iseminger ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This is news to me so I thought I should cross post it! Dave Croft Warrington England http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv British Map http://pub32.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=2692147218 World Map http://pub13.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=1064374771 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Jul 20 20:25:12 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 23:25:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A Message from the Past References: <01c601c46e57$7169dd70$c5f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <066f01c46ed2$557b0690$0400a8c0@Dave> > For you folks that don't know what I am talking about just forget it as it > aint' worth the trouble trying to figure it out. > Paul Well said Paul! Dave From pmaples at anaxis.net Tue Jul 20 20:30:02 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:30:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Telephone I.D. Message-ID: <007601c46ed3$04fd7210$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Hey Gang I need to find out who this number belongs to: 402-517-9978 I just got a call from this number and surely there is a way to find out who this number belongs to. Any of you super sleuths want to take this on as a challenge, if so please contact me off list. I know that area code 402 is Omaha, Nebraska but this is all I know. Thanks for the help. Paul From pmaples at anaxis.net Tue Jul 20 20:32:01 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:32:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A Message from the Past References: <01c601c46e57$7169dd70$c5f70cd1@VAIO> <066f01c46ed2$557b0690$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <007c01c46ed3$4b621350$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Dave where do you stand on the old Ideal Lawnmower restoration? did you give up on it or is it on the back burner for awhile? I expected to see one of those World Famous Dave Rotigel restorations on the old lady....what about it? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Message from the Past > > For you folks that don't know what I am talking about just forget it as it > > aint' worth the trouble trying to figure it out. > > Paul > > Well said Paul! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Jul 20 20:40:28 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 23:40:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A Message from the Past References: <01c601c46e57$7169dd70$c5f70cd1@VAIO><066f01c46ed2$557b0690$0400a8c0@Dave> <007c01c46ed3$4b621350$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <074a01c46ed4$77889b60$0400a8c0@Dave> Hi Paul, I had intended to work on the Ideal this month. However with all the OT posts to the List (particularly those having to do with broken computers) I just haven't had time to do any engine work. Perhaps next month people will slow down a bit with their OT posts and I will have some time to get out to the shop! Dave PS, Yes, it's on the back burner, but coming along ever so slowly. > Dave where do you stand on the old Ideal Lawnmower restoration? did you give > up on it or is it on the back burner for awhile? I expected to see one of > those World Famous Dave Rotigel restorations on the old lady....what about > it? > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 10:25 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] A Message from the Past > > > > > For you folks that don't know what I am talking about just forget it as > it > > > aint' worth the trouble trying to figure it out. > > > Paul > > > > Well said Paul! > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Tue Jul 20 20:51:30 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:51:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A Message from the Past References: <01c601c46e57$7169dd70$c5f70cd1@VAIO><066f01c46ed2$557b0690$0400a8c0@Dave><007c01c46ed3$4b621350$d3f70cd1@VAIO> <074a01c46ed4$77889b60$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <008c01c46ed6$041bbd40$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Darn Dave I figured by now you would have posted pictures of the wife out mowing the yard with it. As I recall this was the reason you bought it. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Message from the Past > Hi Paul, > I had intended to work on the Ideal this month. However with all the OT > posts to the List (particularly those having to do with broken computers) I > just haven't had time to do any engine work. Perhaps next month people will > slow down a bit with their OT posts and I will have some time to get out to > the shop! > Dave > PS, Yes, it's on the back burner, but coming along ever so slowly. > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 20 23:43:30 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:43:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] olds Message-ID: hi patrick, i got a reply from smokstak the engine serial no is stamped into the top of the piston. i found no 4994 on mine . dave >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Subject: RE: [SEL] olds >Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:05:23 +1000 > >Hi Dave, >Your engine would probably be identical to Ron Sullivan's engine. I cannot >remember the engine number on his engine being anywhere other than on the >plate but we will have a search of the engine when it is dug out of storage >:) >As a wild guess (from looking at lots of American engines) I would suggest >looking at the ends of the crank, flywheel hubs, flywheel rims and faces, >and on top of the cylinder. >Patrick > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >-----Original Message----- > >Hi Michael, the crank guard is missing as well as the carby but it is the >same as the engine on page 358 in the brb of wendel's. it is the one in the >top right hand corner. are the serial no stamped on the engine anyware? >thanks for the quick reply dave in oz > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Find love today with ninemsn personals. Click here: http://ninemsn.match.com?referrer=hotmailtagline From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Jul 20 15:38:04 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:38:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing References: Message-ID: <00c901c46eff$186b0840$57111bd3@athlon> I have replaced the butterfly on a few engines and my method is to turn a bit of brass to the dia of the bore and then cut off the plate at an angle of about 10 to 15 degrees. I do this with the mill but if you are careful, it can be done with a hacksaw, power or hand. This method gives a perfect fit to the carb bore and I have never had any further troubles with over revving at idle. Oh, one other thing, I fix the slop of the pivot shaft before I make the new plate as this is usually fixes the problem. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Jul 20 15:56:32 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:56:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A Message from the Past References: <01c601c46e57$7169dd70$c5f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <00cd01c46eff$30303cc0$57111bd3@athlon> <,.......anyone else > getting any messages from the past?> Yes, all the time! My body is telling me all about the misuse I gave it over the years! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Jul 20 20:20:29 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:20:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally Message-ID: <00d501c46eff$69c5c0e0$57111bd3@athlon> Here is a breakdown of cost for a family of four at the event. Thurs night BBQ $40 Fri Night BBQ $40 Sat night meal @$30 PP $120 Rally badge $15 (No free plaques at our events) Registration per exhibitor $6 Camping(No power, etc.) $10 PP P night 4nights $160 Admissions for the wife and kids assuming $10 PP $90 This adds up to $471.00 and that is just the start of it! Then there is the costs of getting there, all other meals, etc.etc.etc. Our fuel is $1 a litre now. not cheap! I really doubt if this sort of expense is justified for an engine show. I am most interested to hear the views of you others on this matter . Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jul 21 01:58:56 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:58:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally References: <001001c46ea3$7348ec20$1d0d1bd3@athlon> <001901c46ea3$b9aec5e0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <00fe01c46f00$f843e9e0$57111bd3@athlon> John, I am NOT doing this as a shitstirring excercise. I really am fed up with the way things are going here and am trying to put the brakes on. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat rally > Hit'em up, move them out Reg!! > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > To the Oz members. > > I have had quite a few comments over the costs that will be incurred going > > to this event. > > If I write to them stating that we are unhappy about the cost of the meal, > > cost of camping, Single entry and any other gripes you have, Who is going to > > allow me to add their names to the letter? > > You can contact me off list or on. I will,as usual, keep this completely > > open for you all to see and put up the letter for your comments before I > > send it. > > I also think the Nat. body need to see a copy of Arnie's letter and the > > editorial in the GEM. > > They need to see that they have lost the plot by having us cowering behind > > barriers. > > No wonder the hobby in Oz is in decline show wise. > > Waiting to hear from you. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From peter at loud-n-clear.net Wed Jul 21 04:19:43 2004 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:19:43 +0100 Subject: [SEL] A Message from the Past In-Reply-To: <00cd01c46eff$30303cc0$57111bd3@athlon> References: <01c601c46e57$7169dd70$c5f70cd1@VAIO> <00cd01c46eff$30303cc0$57111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: This sounds horribly familiar... :-) In message <00cd01c46eff$30303cc0$57111bd3 at athlon>, Reg & Margaret Ingold writes ><,.......anyone else >> getting any messages from the past?> > >Yes, all the time! My body is telling me all about the misuse I gave it >over the years! >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Peter Scales From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jul 21 04:22:49 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:22:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers In-Reply-To: <00cb01c46eff$2e7434e0$57111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <200407211122.i6LBMp4S006509@heavyiron.atis.net> I would not say they were easily retrofitted. Many of them (F&J, IHC and F-M for example) are quite complicated and fussy devices and are frequently not found on engines that are 'barn fresh' as they were frequently the first thing that was chucked :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- As I see it, it was a cheap and easily retrofitted modification that would overcome a problem with particular engines. it was then kept on further production models. Cheaper than a complete re design job. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jul 21 04:36:47 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:36:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers In-Reply-To: <40FD5193.1090104@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200407211136.i6LBamCF014292@heavyiron.atis.net> There seems to have been more US manufacturers who used fuel savers than didn't so they must have been on to something (or all had just picked up on the same advertising gimmick). Stover, IHC, F-M, & F&J did not provide fuel savers on their smallest engines and R&V, Challenge and Galloway did not seem to use them at all. My 12hp R&V does not have a fuel saver and there is no flutter at all from the intake valve while the engine is missing and it is an engine that is not short of suction. I am not convinced 100% as to if fuel savers are worthwhile or if they were a marketing gimmick but it has made a nice on topic thread ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Jul 21 04:37:28 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:37:28 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally References: <00d501c46eff$69c5c0e0$57111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <001c01c46f17$1a514080$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Reg, That's to grazy for words, $471 for an engine show attended by four people. This weekend we have our Nat.show at Panningen, the showbook counts 1155 members that will be on display. For 3 nights camping (with full hook up, power-bathrooms-showers) we pay $40 for max 4 people. We always stay together with friends and you get 6x8 metres per unit ground space. The first night you take care for your own food, the second we do BBQ and cost you about $7.50 PP. The third night we always eat Chinees (lots of food) and cost around $8.00 PP. Admissions are free for exhibitor, wife and two kids. Spectators have to pay $7.50 per day. Rally badge ( heavy brass plaque) is free, one for every exhibitor. Total cost $70 + $45 fuel + $15 beer/softdrinks is around $130 US. Funny thing is after two months you get a check for $75 in the post, because your display was great and you brought the engines that were mention in the showbook. Ultimately it cost me $55 for four days engine fun and seeing all my friends again from the North to the South. You see the Rallies are much better overhere. A few weeks ago we had a good show in the South and they used to use a special formula for exhibitors (distance X weight X amount of engines X showdays) and they paid me $130 + two T-shirts, just for coming. Staying at night was free and 10 free drinks PP, food was for your own. Send the Directors to this side of the pond, there is much to learn for them. Take care, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Here is a breakdown of cost for a family of four at the event. > Thurs night BBQ $40 > Fri Night BBQ $40 > Sat night meal @$30 PP $120 > Rally badge $15 (No free plaques at our > events) > Registration per exhibitor $6 > Camping(No power, etc.) > $10 PP P night 4nights $160 > Admissions for the wife > and kids assuming $10 PP $90 > > This adds up to $471.00 and that is just the start of it! > Then there is the costs of getting there, all other meals, etc.etc.etc. > Our fuel is $1 a litre now. not cheap! > I really doubt if this sort of expense is justified for an engine show. > > I am most interested to hear the views of you others on this matter . > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jul 21 04:39:07 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:39:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: OT Message response time In-Reply-To: <40FD3363.EACF902E@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <200407211139.i6LBd9RP016216@heavyiron.atis.net> Does that mean I will get a reply two days before I have a question? Will I then still need to send the question or will not sending it result in the end of the universe? ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Dave's post has led me to the solution of this problem. All that is needed is for EVERYONE to adjust the clock on their computers by putting them forward 6 hours. That way, we'll receive all the posts at the correct time. Dolly Dave Rotigel wrote: From adamcottrill at telstra.com Wed Jul 21 04:35:45 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:35:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Message-ID: <34468334432c.34432c344683@email.bigpond.com> Hi Gents, I felt I had to reply to this one, I was at a meeting of the (NHMA) National Rally committee last Thursday in South Aus and it seems after some internal difficulties you most likely know about they are getting things back on track. I?m not sure if you realise how much an event of this size costs to put on? You just don?t wake up one morning and decide I?m going to hold a national rally. A good example of this is the portable toilets costing $17,000 for the event. In stead of complaining about that costs supply a solution of how a cost such as this can be paid for or eliminated from the rally... should one bring there own toilet paper? As for the hobby in this country in decline again I beg to differ the NHMA has now over 7,000 members compared to the high 5000's 18-24 months ago reference to this is in the current NHMA Newsletter. Another misconception is accommodation is not available. This is not true it is readily available for the event and is now being handled exclusively by the local tourist information centre. I will agree that not all things are perfect at this stage but even the best laid plans can go sour, time will tell, if you have a complaint of concern with the rally convey it directly and at the same time provide a feasible solution or alternative to the problem. The thing I wish would decline in this country is the tall poppy syndrome. If you need the contact details of the exec and organisers let me know and I will pass them on. Kind regards, Adam From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Jul 21 04:48:23 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:48:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally References: <001001c46ea3$7348ec20$1d0d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <060401c46f18$a1686c50$0c09a4cb@km> G'Day Reg Totally with you (again, I need to see someone about that, I need help ). The cost of taking your engine to their rally is becoming a joke. Getting the young into the hobby is one thing but if we are priced out no one will be there to encourage them. Lately a few of us have been giving the Club ran meals a miss settling for a close pub meal and a few beers because of some very poor meals for your $ that we have attended, saying that I have also had some good ones. I don't have a problem with clubs making a $ but surly that should be from sponsors and the public, when you look at the majority of engine people they are older workers, a lot retired and cannot afford the high costs of showing their engines/tractors that this club has put on us. I also believe that a wife should also be admitted free for any rally that we take an engine to, a lot of organisations are now only allowing one person per exhibit, the out to that is take a MAYTAG as well. So to put it in to perspective for me, We have decided to make this a holiday so the cost of fuel etc is not to us purely rally related but the decision must now be made to forget pulling an engine and just go to the rally for a day and pay as a normal public. If we all do this only the locals will turn up with engines and EVERYONE looses out. I don't care about the meals do my own thing, $10 PP/PNight camping seems a lot but there is a cost to the club for hot showers etc depends on quality and quantity of amenities so all in all may be reasonable. The rally badge, well you either want one or you don't, they have been good quality but $15 is a bit much, the club will be makeing money on them. So the old story if you want to go pay the freight BUT IT IS NOT GOING TO HELP OUR HOBBY with these costs Kerry (not the dark side one) Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines From bolhuis at amtelecom.net Wed Jul 21 04:51:25 2004 From: bolhuis at amtelecom.net (Bob & Sheila Bolhuis) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:51:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally References: <00d501c46eff$69c5c0e0$57111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <006001c46f19$1045c550$6500a8c0@EMACHINE> >This adds up to $471.00 HOLY SHIT REG !!!!!!!! I'd have told them to kissoff a long time ago!! I'm not nearly so patient as you .........;o)) Bob Bob & Sheila Bolhuis RR#4 Aylmer , Ont, Can N5H-2R3 519-765-3337 From Markshattuck at ntelos.net Wed Jul 21 04:56:43 2004 From: Markshattuck at ntelos.net (Mark L Shattuck) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:56:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally References: <00d501c46eff$69c5c0e0$57111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <003001c46f19$cdb39360$6401a8c0@markby5481638j> Hey Reg that 's about what it costs here in the US to go to a Football game. The only difference is parking at FED X field is now 30.dollars per car . Tickets, Hot Dogs, Beer, sodas, Parking . O well Happy Nat Rally day !! Mark L Shattuck Waynesboro Va From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jul 21 05:07:28 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:07:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Message response time References: <156.3a4543a9.2e2eeba4@aol.com> Message-ID: <40FE5C80.80004@imc-group.com> Tom! By all means adjust your bed time to accommodate Dolly! :-) Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Germoamer at aol.com wrote: >All that is needed is > for EVERYONE to adjust the clock on their computers by putting them forward 6 > hours. >> > > >Geesh Dolly, I am usually in bed by that time. Does that mean I have to >adjust my bed time too? > >Tom Schmutz > > From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 21 05:46:20 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 05:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally In-Reply-To: <34468334432c.34432c344683@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <20040721124620.50193.qmail@web20228.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Adam, Just out of curiosity, how many engines and tractors does an event like this attract? How many exhibitors? How many spectators? How many days does this event run? I am just trying to comprehend how big of an event this is. It sounds like a really large show, but if the expenses are that high, even with the exchange rate, it must be far bigger than I ever imagined. Thanks for the info, Joe Prindle --- Adam Cottrill wrote: > I?m not sure if you realise how much an event of this size costs to put > on? You just don?t wake up one morning and decide I?m going to hold a > national rally. A good example of this is the portable toilets costing > $17,000 for the event. In stead of complaining about that costs supply a > solution of how a cost such as this can be paid for or eliminated from > the rally... should one bring there own toilet paper? ===== Joe Prindle Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: www.tznet.com/jprindle Our Club: www.badgersteamandgas.com See Yoo in Baraboo! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 21 06:07:37 2004 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:07:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag flywheel Message-ID: >I need some advice on removing the flywheel on a Maytag twin. I made the >assumption that the flywheel is a tapered fit like a Briggs, and with the nut loose have tapped it with a brass hammer while gently pressing behind the flywheel. But I don't want to break anything..... >Am I going about this the correct way? >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC Curt, Take it to Jiffy Lube. Or buy more beer. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Lenexa, KS sluggo54 at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jul 21 06:16:55 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally In-Reply-To: <34468334432c.34432c344683@email.bigpond.com> References: <34468334432c.34432c344683@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: Hi Adam, Given the sorts of numbers that Reg has posted, I'm pretty stunned about the Aussie National Rally. I think Portland may serve as the defacto National Rally here in the US. I think it holds fair claim to being the biggest rally in the world. This year the event runs from August 25-29. Typical registered exhibits are on the order of 2,500 stationary engines and 600 1955 and older tractors. >From my observations there are probably that many engines not registered / for sale. Exhibitors & families are free. The admission fee for the general public is on the order of $5. Camping on grassy sites with electric power and a shower house with toilets is $5 for the entire show for exhibitors. Non-exhibitors pay $10 per day for the camping. Food on the grounds is abundent, good, and cheap; generally done by service organizations as a fund raiser. Free gasoline is provided to exhibitors for their exhibit engines. Rally plaques are free to exhibitors. Granted they are silkscreened sheet aluminum not the massive cast brass varity given in other parts of the world, but they suffice. I sincerely hope that you will pass contact info along to the National Rally Committee at the first opportunity. http://www.adamswells.com/%7Etristate/tractorshow.htm The National folks are SERIOUSLY out of touch with the world-wide engine rally mainstream and should REALLY gather some of the "best practices" from organizers like the folks at Portland who are getting ready for their 39th annual "National Rally." See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA USA fero_ah at city-net.com PS - Portland also manages heaving crowds of spectators around running engines and exhibits with a single strand of rope between 'em and no carnage. But that's another discussion.... 8-)) On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, Adam Cottrill wrote: > I felt I had to reply to this one, I was at a meeting of the (NHMA) > National Rally committee last Thursday in South Aus and it seems after > some internal difficulties you most likely know about they are getting > things back on track. > > I?m not sure if you realise how much an event of this size costs to put > on? You just don?t wake up one morning and decide I?m going to hold a > national rally. A good example of this is the portable toilets costing > $17,000 for the event. In stead of complaining about that costs supply a > solution of how a cost such as this can be paid for or eliminated from > the rally... should one bring there own toilet paper? From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 21 06:47:50 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:47:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007501c46f29$520fb580$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> We found locally that expenses could be reduced when competition was introduced. For example, due to lack of volunteers, there was always the same person lining up certain things like the toilets. Then suddenly someone else says "hey, what about Joe's Toilets" or whatever. Then suddenly the cost goes down, the service is better. Similar for food - when one group controls it, it's costly and people complain (man, don't we know that here). Then you get some competition in there and prices drop. Of course in this part of the country we complain if a meal costs more than $4 so you can imagine. Gee, competition, supply and demand, capitalism, hmmmmmm. When you get rid of the same old bunch always doing the same old thing the same old way and get some new blood in and some competition and do things differently, you'll succeed in not only growing the show but reducing costs. (Have some drink company sponsor the toilets - then they can control the coming and going of liquid refreshments.) Sounds to me like that was an event to make money, not to put on a show for the public and enjoyment of the hobby. And yeah, take some examples away from successful shows in the US, like Arnie said. IF we can do it, they can do it. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 8:17 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Hi Adam, Given the sorts of numbers that Reg has posted, I'm pretty stunned about the Aussie National Rally. I think Portland may serve as the defacto National Rally here in the US. I think it holds fair claim to being the biggest rally in the world. This year the event runs from August 25-29. Typical registered exhibits are on the order of 2,500 stationary engines and 600 1955 and older tractors. >From my observations there are probably that many engines not >registered / for sale. Exhibitors & families are free. The admission fee for the general public is on the order of $5. Camping on grassy sites with electric power and a shower house with toilets is $5 for the entire show for exhibitors. Non-exhibitors pay $10 per day for the camping. Food on the grounds is abundent, good, and cheap; generally done by service organizations as a fund raiser. Free gasoline is provided to exhibitors for their exhibit engines. Rally plaques are free to exhibitors. Granted they are silkscreened sheet aluminum not the massive cast brass varity given in other parts of the world, but they suffice. I sincerely hope that you will pass contact info along to the National Rally Committee at the first opportunity. http://www.adamswells.com/%7Etristate/tractorshow.htm The National folks are SERIOUSLY out of touch with the world-wide engine rally mainstream and should REALLY gather some of the "best practices" from organizers like the folks at Portland who are getting ready for their 39th annual "National Rally." See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA USA fero_ah at city-net.com PS - Portland also manages heaving crowds of spectators around running engines and exhibits with a single strand of rope between 'em and no carnage. But that's another discussion.... 8-)) On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, Adam Cottrill wrote: > I felt I had to reply to this one, I was at a meeting of the (NHMA) > National Rally committee last Thursday in South Aus and it seems after > some internal difficulties you most likely know about they are getting > things back on track. > > I'm not sure if you realise how much an event of this size costs to > put on? You just don't wake up one morning and decide I'm going to > hold a national rally. A good example of this is the portable toilets > costing $17,000 for the event. In stead of complaining about that > costs supply a solution of how a cost such as this can be paid for or > eliminated from the rally... should one bring there own toilet paper? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From prepair at easynet.co.uk Wed Jul 21 07:21:45 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:21:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally In-Reply-To: <007501c46f29$520fb580$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> References: <007501c46f29$520fb580$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <8pusf0t2r6f3drt73f1i48539paetjs557@4ax.com> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:47:50 -0500, you wrote: >Sounds to me like that was an event to make money, not to put on a show for >the public and enjoyment of the hobby. >Bill I think it always ends up that way, as soon as the profit from the show takes precedent over the show itself, then it starts to fall apart for the visiting public. On a separate forum there has been discussion about the Fairford Air Show, with tickets at the gate of ?35.00 each adult ( that is $65.00 each!) The smaller events are taking more visitors these days as long as they keep the costs and ticket prices under control. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Wed Jul 21 07:33:36 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:33:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] olds References: <001001c46e0f$87394a20$576854d2@Young1203> Message-ID: <15c801c46f2f$b5f9a780$0301a8c0@ALEC> The olds engines only had the # stamped on the tag. If you are missing the tag, you will not find a serial #. You have a 1906-1916 guess on the later ones and a better guess on the earlier ones. Good luck Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Young" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] olds > > I dont know where else the serial no. is stamped other than the plate which > is on the (now missing) crank guard. The larger engines - 4A, 5A and 6A - > have a nose plate where there is a spot for the number to be stamped, > although a lot have nothing stamped there at all. > >> > top right hand corner. are the serial no stamped on the engine anyware? > > thanks for the quick reply dave in oz > > > > > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Wed Jul 21 07:45:06 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:45:06 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally References: <34468334432c.34432c344683@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <40FE8172.D0EB8BC0@insulate.co.uk> Arnie Fero wrote: > The National folks are SERIOUSLY out of touch with the world-wide engine > rally mainstream and should REALLY gather some of the "best practices" > from organizers like the folks at Portland who are getting ready for > their 39th annual "National Rally." I believe it will be possible to do just that in the next couple of editions of GEM ;-) Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Jul 21 06:53:10 2004 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:53:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally In-Reply-To: <00d501c46eff$69c5c0e0$57111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040721232959.00b7e5c8@mail.ncable.com.au> Interesting to see how prices effect individuals Reg, (btw guys - yes i'm still alive!) I kinda read it different in that. Now my family would not see the humor in 4 days worth of engines so I'm on my own. Lets see, Thursday night would be a tin of braised steak and veg at $2.50! plus 1/2 slab of beer =$16.00 thats 18.50 for a single! do that again on Friday so Im up to $37 for 2 nights. Accomodation would be gate crashing in Morris's tent or Cam Grundys trailor! Now the entertainment provided by the above mentioned alone is well worth the $37 dollars! As long as the farting and burping aint to strong. Saturday night is up the pub for a steak and a purve! mmmmm few beers, $40.00 I recon. Coffee's cheap because we can Con Liz Sulivan into making one for us. Well I always seem to pay $15 for a badge so I'll do it again. $40 for 4 days of hot showers when you feel shit house in the morning could be quite good value! And $6 bucks to enter. $138.00 plus a few panadol. I don't get to many Rally's and wouldn't miss the national for quids! Reasonably cheep fun for 4 days if you look at it like that. I recon it cost me that just to spend 5 hours at seaworld. Russell BTW: I hope your $17000 buys a lot of shitters Adam! That sure does sound like someone is taking you guys for a ride??? At 01:20 PM 21/07/2004 +1000, you wrote: >Here is a breakdown of cost for a family of four at the event. >Thurs night BBQ $40 >Fri Night BBQ $40 >Sat night meal @$30 PP $120 >Rally badge $15 (No free plaques at our >events) >Registration per exhibitor $6 >Camping(No power, etc.) >$10 PP P night 4nights $160 >Admissions for the wife >and kids assuming $10 PP $90 > >This adds up to $471.00 and that is just the start of it! >Then there is the costs of getting there, all other meals, etc.etc.etc. >Our fuel is $1 a litre now. not cheap! >I really doubt if this sort of expense is justified for an engine show. > >I am most interested to hear the views of you others on this matter . >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jul 21 08:04:24 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:04:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] More Maytag questions Message-ID: <40FE85F8.2060508@imc-group.com> The excellent advice from the list (even Arnie's) helped to safely get the flywheel loose on the Maytag twin. I have two more questions: 1) The fuel tank is off. How do I get the brass fuel pick up tube out of the upper housing? The two set screws only seem to hold onto the air inlet tube. 2) After removing the flywheel and ignition plate there is a crankcase end plate with a large hex on it. Does this unscrew to get into the crankcase? Is it RH or LH threads? Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jul 21 08:14:27 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:14:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A Baker Monitor question Message-ID: <40FE8853.3090707@imc-group.com> Making several new shafts for Devin's Baker Monitor. It looks like the parts are held on the shafts with tapered keys. I've done measuring and some math on the tapers and am not coming up with the standard 1 in 100 taper or 1/8 per foot. Taper works out to as little as .192/ft to as much as .480/ft. While difficult to measure on narrow parts (only an inch wide), generally I'll be in the ballpark, but this is not even close to standard! Does anyone know if Baker used nonstandard, steeper tapers in fixing hubs and gears to the shafts? Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From mtucker at uky.edu Wed Jul 21 08:19:13 2004 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:19:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] More Maytag questions In-Reply-To: <40FE85F8.2060508@imc-group.com> References: <40FE85F8.2060508@imc-group.com> Message-ID: >1) The fuel tank is off. How do I get the brass fuel pick up tube >out of the upper housing? The two set screws only seem to hold onto >the air inlet tube. Curt, as I recall on Lincoln's 92 the pick up tube screws into the upper housing with regular ole RH threads See ya', Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From billalan at busynet.net Wed Jul 21 09:48:29 2004 From: billalan at busynet.net (Bill Herreid) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:48:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Telephone I.D. In-Reply-To: <007601c46ed3$04fd7210$d3f70cd1@VAIO> References: <007601c46ed3$04fd7210$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <40FE9E5D.6000101@busynet.net> I tried some of the reverse lookup pages, and they could not match it to a name. This could mean it is a cell phone number. From the Cheddar Curtain - Bill From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Wed Jul 21 11:05:08 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:05:08 +0200 Subject: [SEL] A Baker Monitor question References: <40FE8853.3090707@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000b01c46f4d$4673b6d0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Curt, I'm not quite sure what you mean, but on my 4 hp ball hopper Monitor are no tapered keys. Maybe at some point Monitor changed to other keys? Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "SEL(new)" Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 5:14 PM Subject: [SEL] A Baker Monitor question > Making several new shafts for Devin's Baker Monitor. It looks like the > parts are held on the shafts with tapered keys. > I've done measuring and some math on the tapers and am not coming up > with the standard 1 in 100 taper or 1/8 per foot. > Taper works out to as little as .192/ft to as much as .480/ft. > While difficult to measure on narrow parts (only an inch wide), > generally I'll be in the ballpark, but this is not even close to standard! > > Does anyone know if Baker used nonstandard, steeper tapers in fixing > hubs and gears to the shafts? > Thanks, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Wed Jul 21 11:23:30 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:23:30 +0200 Subject: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers References: <200407201152.i6KBpx8P028555@heavyiron.atis.net> <40FD5193.1090104@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <005901c46f4f$d5f8fa20$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> I think that generally fuel savers were only used on engines over 2-3 HP. My 2 hp Stover A has no fuel saver, the bigger 3 hp YB does has one. Small Associated had no fuel saver, the bigger did have one. Fairbanks used them on the 3 HP T types and bigger engines. The headless Witte has a fuel saver. International used them on there Famous line. I think on higher speeds with bigger engines it was necessary to prevent the intake valve from fluttering. > Can anyone name other engines that used the fuel saver feature to this list? > How about a list of engines that did not use the feature? > As Reg mentioned, bore size necessitated the use of the fuel saver. Are > there some manufacturers of engines that used fuel savers on their > larger HP engines but did not use them on their smaller HP engines? > Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jul 21 11:50:59 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:50:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A Baker Monitor question References: <40FE8853.3090707@imc-group.com> <000b01c46f4d$4673b6d0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: <40FEBB13.1040707@imc-group.com> Ref: Curt, I'm not quite sure what you mean.... Harry, On each part mounted on a shaft such as gears and pump jack arms, the key ways are broached on an angle instead of parallel to the bore. This allows a slip fit of the part. After each part is in place a tapered key, sometimes called a gib key, is driven in until it locks up. This locks the gear to the shaft. As a manufacturing method it greatly reduced the complexity of assembly. Whereas a .001/.002" interference fit required the female part to be heated, usually 300 to 400 degrees F to allow enough expansion to slide on the shaft. The taper is very slight, generally is around .010 per inch of hub width and is easily mistaken for a straight broached key way. Baker used tapered keys and cut the gib head off, grinding the keys flush with the ends of the shafts. This makes them impossible to remove and the only way to take the engines apart without risking breaking the cast parts is to just bore the shafts out of the hubs, intersecting the key ways. Once the key ways are driven in towards the now hollow shaft the shaft shrinks and is easily pulled out. You have to make new shafts, but that's OK, you saved the castings and generally the shafts are worn out anyway. Curt Harry Terpstra wrote: >Curt, > >I'm not quite sure what you mean, but on my 4 hp ball hopper Monitor are no >tapered keys. >Maybe at some point Monitor changed to other keys? > > >Harry Terpstra >Sint Anna Parochie >Netherlands >h.terpstra at wxs.nl >http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Curt Holland" >To: "SEL(new)" >Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 5:14 PM >Subject: [SEL] A Baker Monitor question > > > > >>Making several new shafts for Devin's Baker Monitor. It looks like the >>parts are held on the shafts with tapered keys. >>I've done measuring and some math on the tapers and am not coming up >>with the standard 1 in 100 taper or 1/8 per foot. >>Taper works out to as little as .192/ft to as much as .480/ft. >>While difficult to measure on narrow parts (only an inch wide), >>generally I'll be in the ballpark, but this is not even close to standard! >> >>Does anyone know if Baker used nonstandard, steeper tapers in fixing >>hubs and gears to the shafts? >>Thanks, >>Curt Holland >>Gastonia, NC >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Wed Jul 21 11:55:34 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:55:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Early Kohler info needed Message-ID: <175c01c46f54$4e321ea0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Does anyone have info or pics of a 1920ish Kohler 4 cylinder Gen set??? I have a friend who is looking for 1 or alot of info about them, Anything would be appreciated, Tks, Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 From greatness99 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 21 12:01:56 2004 From: greatness99 at hotmail.com (George Vaughan) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:01:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Telephone I.D. Message-ID: Hey Paul. Go to Google.com and then type in the phone number when the search block shows up. Pretty interesting site it takes you to. >From: "Paul Maples" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine List" >Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Telephone I.D. >Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:30:02 -0500 > >Hey Gang I need to find out who this number belongs to: 402-517-9978 > >I just got a call from this number and surely there is a way to find out >who >this number belongs to. Any of you super sleuths want to take this on as a >challenge, if so please contact me off list. I know that area code 402 is >Omaha, Nebraska but this is all I know. Thanks for the help. > >Paul > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Wed Jul 21 12:27:00 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:27:00 +0200 Subject: [SEL] A Baker Monitor question References: <40FE8853.3090707@imc-group.com> <000b01c46f4d$4673b6d0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> <40FEBB13.1040707@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <027b01c46f58$b53b3ce0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> I see what you mean Curt, I guess these are mainly the parts of the pump gears right? grinding the keys flush with the shaft sure makes it look nice, but taking it apart is not so easy ;-) Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Baker Monitor question > Ref: Curt, > I'm not quite sure what you mean.... > Harry, > On each part mounted on a shaft such as gears and pump jack arms, the > key ways are broached on an angle instead of parallel to the bore. This > allows a slip fit of the part. After each part is in place a tapered > key, sometimes called a gib key, is driven in until it locks up. This > locks the gear to the shaft. > > As a manufacturing method it greatly reduced the complexity of assembly. > Whereas a .001/.002" interference fit required the female part to be > heated, usually 300 to 400 degrees F to allow enough expansion to slide > on the shaft. > > The taper is very slight, generally is around .010 per inch of hub width > and is easily mistaken for a straight broached key way. > > Baker used tapered keys and cut the gib head off, grinding the keys > flush with the ends of the shafts. This makes them impossible to remove > and the only way to take the engines apart without risking breaking the > cast parts is to just bore the shafts out of the hubs, intersecting the > key ways. Once the key ways are driven in towards the now hollow shaft > the shaft shrinks and is easily pulled out. You have to make new shafts, > but that's OK, you saved the castings and generally the shafts are worn > out anyway. > Curt > > > Harry Terpstra wrote: > > >Curt, > > > >I'm not quite sure what you mean, but on my 4 hp ball hopper Monitor are no > >tapered keys. > >Maybe at some point Monitor changed to other keys? > > > > > >Harry Terpstra > >Sint Anna Parochie > >Netherlands > >h.terpstra at wxs.nl > >http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Curt Holland" > >To: "SEL(new)" > >Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 5:14 PM > >Subject: [SEL] A Baker Monitor question > > > > > > > > > >>Making several new shafts for Devin's Baker Monitor. It looks like the > >>parts are held on the shafts with tapered keys. > >>I've done measuring and some math on the tapers and am not coming up > >>with the standard 1 in 100 taper or 1/8 per foot. > >>Taper works out to as little as .192/ft to as much as .480/ft. > >>While difficult to measure on narrow parts (only an inch wide), > >>generally I'll be in the ballpark, but this is not even close to standard! > >> > >>Does anyone know if Baker used nonstandard, steeper tapers in fixing > >>hubs and gears to the shafts? > >>Thanks, > >>Curt Holland > >>Gastonia, NC > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jul 21 12:54:19 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:54:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A Baker Monitor question References: <40FE8853.3090707@imc-group.com> <000b01c46f4d$4673b6d0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> <40FEBB13.1040707@imc-group.com> <027b01c46f58$b53b3ce0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: <40FEC9EB.7010101@imc-group.com> Harry, Every part fitted to a shaft on this Baker Monitor is fitted with the tapered keys, both on the engine and on the pump jack. Makes for a lot of fun! Curt Harry Terpstra wrote: >I see what you mean Curt, >I guess these are mainly the parts of the pump gears right? >grinding the keys flush with the shaft sure makes it look nice, but taking >it apart is not so easy ;-) > > > > > From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 21 13:10:37 2004 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:10:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tornadoes Message-ID: >I can't begin to imagine what must go thru one's mind during a storm like >that even though it >happens in the wink of an eye. >Helen >George L. & Helen S. Myers >The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Helen, Too often, it's a 2 X 4 or equivalent. Many of the new homes hereabouts are being built with hardened rooms, either poured concrete or steel-clad timbers. There are even pre-built shelters one may incorporate in his old or new construction. http://www.stormxshelters.com/pages/1/index.htm http://www.fema.gov/hazards/tornadoes/npc_ts.shtm Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Lenexa, KS sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/ From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 21 13:31:44 2004 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:31:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] High Cost of Oz Rallies Message-ID: >I am most interested to hear the views of you others on this matter . >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold Reg, It's cheaper to fly to the states. Just this weekend, there's a great little show at Adrian, MO with a little something for everyone. Admission ain't much, 3 bucks a day, or 5 for the three days. I will celebrate our 39th anniversary there, and stop by the Aubrey BBQ in Drexel on the way home to pick up some ribs to take home. It's the least I can do for Duckems. http://www.wmatma.com/ Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Lenexa, KS sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page ? FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Jul 21 15:37:53 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:37:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Message response time In-Reply-To: <01d801c46e42$0ba6e380$f9121bd3@athlon> References: <00e201c46ba9$a2e92550$d0f70cd1@VAIO> <027201c46e00$5c03e130$0400a8c0@Dave> <01d801c46e42$0ba6e380$f9121bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <9A730724-DB66-11D8-9355-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> At his age, that probably started long ago. > Hey Dave, I WONDERED when you couldnt hold it any longer!!! > VBG John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Jul 21 15:46:53 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:46:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A Message from the Past In-Reply-To: <01c601c46e57$7169dd70$c5f70cd1@VAIO> References: <01c601c46e57$7169dd70$c5f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: > I GOT > A MESSAGE JUST AWHILE AGO THAT I HAD SENT OVER A YEAR AGO AND IT WAS > SENT TO > THE OLD SEL ADDRESS. A virus sent by somebody's infected computer that had that old message on the hard drive. I hope you're well protected if you opened it. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Jul 21 15:52:09 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:52:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally In-Reply-To: <001901c46ea3$b9aec5e0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> References: <001001c46ea3$7348ec20$1d0d1bd3@athlon> <001901c46ea3$b9aec5e0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <99218DA0-DB68-11D8-9355-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> John, I always understood that as "Head 'em up, move 'em out!" I think "hit 'em up" is what the cowpokes did to the cows after they set up camp. On Jul 20, 2004, at 5:51 PM, John Hammink wrote: > Hit'em up, move them out Reg!! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Jul 21 15:59:23 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:59:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A Message from the Past In-Reply-To: <00cd01c46eff$30303cc0$57111bd3@athlon> References: <01c601c46e57$7169dd70$c5f70cd1@VAIO> <00cd01c46eff$30303cc0$57111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <9BAB3C16-DB69-11D8-9355-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Whoever's infected with that virus sending out "A Message From The Past" has my address and the one for antique-tractors.com in his computer. I just got a bounce from that tractor list saying I'd tried to post that message and wasn't a member. John On Jul 20, 2004, at 6:56 PM, Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > <,.......anyone else >> getting any messages from the past?> John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Jul 21 16:12:05 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 01:12:05 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally References: <001001c46ea3$7348ec20$1d0d1bd3@athlon><001901c46ea3$b9aec5e0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> <99218DA0-DB68-11D8-9355-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <000b01c46f78$23c861f0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> That's exactly what I meant John, but in this case the OZ Nat club Directors instead of the cows :o) John H. > John, I always understood that as "Head 'em up, move 'em out!" I think > "hit 'em up" is what the cowpokes did to the cows after they set up > camp. > > On Jul 20, 2004, at 5:51 PM, John Hammink wrote: > > > Hit'em up, move them out Reg!! > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jul 21 15:44:54 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:44:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A Baker Monitor question References: <40FE8853.3090707@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <011d01c46f83$aeb4cd20$62111bd3@athlon> Hey, a lot depended on the apprentice filing them! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "SEL(new)" Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 1:14 AM Subject: [SEL] A Baker Monitor question > Making several new shafts for Devin's Baker Monitor. It looks like the > parts are held on the shafts with tapered keys. > I've done measuring and some math on the tapers and am not coming up > with the standard 1 in 100 taper or 1/8 per foot. > Taper works out to as little as .192/ft to as much as .480/ft. > While difficult to measure on narrow parts (only an inch wide), > generally I'll be in the ballpark, but this is not even close to standard! > > Does anyone know if Baker used nonstandard, steeper tapers in fixing > hubs and gears to the shafts? From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jul 21 17:13:11 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:13:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re nat rally Message-ID: <012001c46f83$b121d580$62111bd3@athlon> Thankyou all for the comments on the costs of the rally. Taking these into account, I shall draft a message to the organisers. On view shortly. To Adam Cotrill. I am trying to get across to the NHMA and the club who are running the rally that, If the prices they are charging are too high, then they wont have the attendance. If there is discontent, this will be a dampener on the event. The ongoing result will be that there will be less urge to attend the next one. Thus things decline. There ARE more ways of running an event than to overcharge the exhibitors After all, we are the ones who,at our own expense, bring together a collection of rare machinery in one place that is called an engine show. Without our efforts there is no show. Under the 'leadership' of the NHMA, the shows have been overpriced, less than well organised, and as such, not as enjoyable as they could have been. As to your comment about the rise in membership, these are figures on paper. Sure clubs have a rise in members but, how many of them are active? Our club has around 150 members, but maybe 20 who have actually been seen at a meeting or event. If you have been going to shows for the last 18 years as I have, you will note that a lot of shows have disappeared or shrunk drastically in stature. Others have prospered. Ask yourself why this is so. When all is said and done, it is due to the enjoyment/cost ratio that the exhibitors get fron the event. So, until the NHMA change, there will not be much left when the older engine men have passed on. Their whole aim seems to be to keep everyone out, not encourage new blood. I know they are volunteers but that still does not make them right or infallable. At least my opening this subject has brought out in the open, what a cross section are thinking. It would be good if less 'lurked' on these sorts of matters and spoke out so the message gets across. Reg Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Jul 21 17:26:59 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:26:59 EDT Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Message-ID: <12b.46b95fa2.2e3063d3@aol.com> In a message dated 7/21/2004 10:09:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bill at antique-engines.com writes: << When you get rid of the same old bunch always doing the same old thing the same old way and get some new blood in and some competition and do things differently, you'll succeed in not only growing the show but reducing costs. >> Bill, Please elaborate! At our show the same ones unpack everything for the show, put up fences, mow, layout grounds and put up ropes, help park exhibitors, register and give out badge bags, collect entrance fees from spectators, put out and collect trash cans, fix food, take everything down and pack away for next year, etc., etc. Can't seem to get anyone else interested in working 14 hours a day for 3 days to put on a show. Most of the worker were retired when we started 13 years ago, getting worn out, and unless we get people interested in working the show it will fold in the next few years. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jul 21 17:34:00 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:34:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] letter to the Nat Rally organisers Message-ID: <012101c46f83$b1e21840$62111bd3@athlon> Here is what I will pass on to the organisers if you are happy with it. Reg Ingold 22 July 2004 37 Seaham St Homesville 2286. NSW. Sirs, I wish to inform you of the views of some members of the engine fraternity re the upcoming National Rally. We feel that having to pay entry for immediate family is not right. Unpowered camping should be free for exhibitors and their families. The cost of your dinner is too high. The rally badge is overpriced. These appear to be the main points that have arisen in an SEL internet discussion recently. My comments to you are that, A lot of the engine folk are retired or on limited finances. The costs incurred in bringing machinery to any event have risen due to fuel costs, etc. and being faced with the prices you have quoted in the entry forms makes for serious thought on whether to bother coming. I am aware of the costs of putting on an event but, there are other ways of funding. Also, the Nat Rally should not be a profit making exercise. Sincerely, Reg Ingold. From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 21 17:46:17 2004 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] More Maytag questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040722004617.82242.qmail@web14102.mail.yahoo.com> Yep, Curt, the fuel pickup line is threaded and screws into the housing. Just use a good pair of pliers and take hold of the 1/8" line near where it enters the housing. Should come right out. The lump at the other end also unscrews and there is a disk type check valve in it, plus the filter screen visible from the outer end. Ron Frost Must be you got home OK from Cool Springs. Neat saw rig you have there. Michael Tucker wrote: >1) The fuel tank is off. How do I get the brass fuel pick up tube >out of the upper housing? The two set screws only seem to hold onto >the air inlet tube. Curt, as I recall on Lincoln's 92 the pick up tube screws into the upper housing with regular ole RH threads See ya', Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! From pmaples at anaxis.net Wed Jul 21 17:56:35 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:56:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A Message from the Past References: <01c601c46e57$7169dd70$c5f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <000f01c46f86$f4f0d060$e2f70cd1@VAIO> John I got so much virus protection on my pc that it can hardly breathe. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Message from the Past > > I GOT > > A MESSAGE JUST AWHILE AGO THAT I HAD SENT OVER A YEAR AGO AND IT WAS > > SENT TO > > THE OLD SEL ADDRESS. > > A virus sent by somebody's infected computer that had that old message > on the hard drive. I hope you're well protected if you opened it. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Jul 21 20:41:31 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:41:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] letter to the Nat Rally organisers References: <012101c46f83$b1e21840$62111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <001101c46f9d$c7841fd0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Reg, Far to timid. Write as you did to Adam, or better yet, let Arnie write it for you. His wit and writing skills would certainly get their attention. My two cents worth. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "List SEL" Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: [SEL] letter to the Nat Rally organisers > Here is what I will pass on to the organisers if you are happy with it. > > > > > > Reg Ingold > 22 July 2004 > 37 Seaham St > Homesville 2286. > NSW. > > > Sirs, > I wish to inform you of the views of some members of the engine fraternity > re the upcoming National Rally. > We feel that having to pay entry for immediate family is not right. > Unpowered camping should be free for exhibitors and their families. > The cost of your dinner is too high. > The rally badge is overpriced. > These appear to be the main points that have arisen in an SEL internet > discussion recently. > My comments to you are that, A lot of the engine folk are retired or on > limited finances. > The costs incurred in bringing machinery to any event have risen due to fuel > costs, etc. and being faced with the prices you have quoted in the entry > forms makes for serious thought on whether to bother coming. > I am aware of the costs of putting on an event but, there are other ways of > funding. Also, the Nat Rally should not be a profit making exercise. > > Sincerely, Reg Ingold. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jul 21 21:41:19 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 00:41:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A Message from the Past References: <01c601c46e57$7169dd70$c5f70cd1@VAIO><066f01c46ed2$557b0690$0400a8c0@Dave><007c01c46ed3$4b621350$d3f70cd1@VAIO><074a01c46ed4$77889b60$0400a8c0@Dave> <008c01c46ed6$041bbd40$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <075f01c46fa6$225ab240$0400a8c0@Dave> I bought her a MAYTAG washer for her birthday last year and she hasn't even started it as yet. Until she does, she can keep using the scissors that I gave her for X-mas several years ago. We only have a little over 4 acres that needs to be mowed! Dave > Darn Dave I figured by now you would have posted pictures of the wife out > mowing the yard with it. As I recall this was the reason you bought it. > > Paul > > > Hi Paul, > > I had intended to work on the Ideal this month. However with all the > OT > > posts to the List (particularly those having to do with broken computers) > I > > just haven't had time to do any engine work. Perhaps next month people > will > > slow down a bit with their OT posts and I will have some time to get out > to > > the shop! > > Dave > > PS, Yes, it's on the back burner, but coming along ever so slowly. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jul 22 01:50:00 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:50:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] letter to the Nat Rally organisers References: <012101c46f83$b1e21840$62111bd3@athlon> <001101c46f9d$c7841fd0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <01ad01c46fc8$e372a420$62111bd3@athlon> I have tried to stay right on the subject with no room for critisism, personalities etc. My comments to Adam were a different ballgame. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] letter to the Nat Rally organisers > Reg, > > Far to timid. Write as you did to Adam, or better yet, let Arnie write it > for you. His wit and writing skills would certainly get their attention. My > two cents worth. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > To: "List SEL" > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 6:34 PM > Subject: [SEL] letter to the Nat Rally organisers > > > > Here is what I will pass on to the organisers if you are happy with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg Ingold > > 22 July 2004 > > 37 Seaham St > > Homesville 2286. > > NSW. > > > > > > Sirs, > > I wish to inform you of the views of some members of the engine fraternity > > re the upcoming National Rally. > > We feel that having to pay entry for immediate family is not right. > > Unpowered camping should be free for exhibitors and their families. > > The cost of your dinner is too high. > > The rally badge is overpriced. > > These appear to be the main points that have arisen in an SEL internet > > discussion recently. > > My comments to you are that, A lot of the engine folk are retired or on > > limited finances. > > The costs incurred in bringing machinery to any event have risen due to > fuel > > costs, etc. and being faced with the prices you have quoted in the entry > > forms makes for serious thought on whether to bother coming. > > I am aware of the costs of putting on an event but, there are other ways > of > > funding. Also, the Nat Rally should not be a profit making exercise. > > > > Sincerely, Reg Ingold. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Thu Jul 22 01:51:09 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:51:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally Message-ID: yes i agree with you Russel after all it is only every 2 years , how often do we save up for months just to go on holidays each year only to blow it all on a couple of weeks fun the memories soon fade but the memory of a rare engine stays with us for years all in the hope of finding one some day. Dave >From: Russell Gilbert >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat rally >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:53:10 +1000 > >Interesting to see how prices effect individuals Reg, (btw guys - yes i'm >still alive!) I kinda read it different in that. Now my family would not >see the humor in 4 days worth of engines so I'm on my own. Lets see, >Thursday night would be a tin of braised steak and veg at $2.50! plus 1/2 >slab of beer =$16.00 thats 18.50 for a single! do that again on Friday so >Im up to $37 for 2 nights. Accomodation would be gate crashing in Morris's >tent or Cam Grundys trailor! Now the entertainment provided by the above >mentioned alone is well worth the $37 dollars! As long as the farting and >burping aint to strong. Saturday night is up the pub for a steak and a >purve! mmmmm few beers, $40.00 I recon. Coffee's cheap because we can Con >Liz Sulivan into making one for us. Well I always seem to pay $15 for a >badge so I'll do it again. $40 for 4 days of hot showers when you feel >shit house in the morning could be quite good value! And $6 bucks to enter. > $138.00 plus a few panadol. > >I don't get to many Rally's and wouldn't miss the national for quids! >Reasonably cheep fun for 4 days if you look at it like that. I recon it >cost me that just to spend 5 hours at seaworld. >Russell > >BTW: I hope your $17000 buys a lot of shitters Adam! That sure does sound >like someone is taking you guys for a ride??? > >At 01:20 PM 21/07/2004 +1000, you wrote: >>Here is a breakdown of cost for a family of four at the event. >>Thurs night BBQ $40 >>Fri Night BBQ $40 >>Sat night meal @$30 PP $120 >>Rally badge $15 (No free plaques at our >>events) >>Registration per exhibitor $6 >>Camping(No power, etc.) >>$10 PP P night 4nights $160 >>Admissions for the wife >>and kids assuming $10 PP $90 >> >>This adds up to $471.00 and that is just the start of it! >>Then there is the costs of getting there, all other meals, etc.etc.etc. >>Our fuel is $1 a litre now. not cheap! >>I really doubt if this sort of expense is justified for an engine show. >> >>I am most interested to hear the views of you others on this matter . >>Reg & Marg Ingold. >>Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >Russell Gilbert >Sunny Sunraysia >russell at ncable.com.au >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Feeling spent? Apply here for emergency plastic surgery: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;9577691;9687279;r?http://www.promo.com.au/virgincreditcard/plasticsurgery/track.cfm?source=P08 From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Jul 22 02:07:55 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:07:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Stirling model castings for sale on EBAY (Australia) Message-ID: <004901c46fcb$603f4560$06856ad5@one> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5911058078&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT#ebayphotohosting Dave Croft Warrington England http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From wara at ozemail.com.au Thu Jul 22 03:05:47 2004 From: wara at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:05:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] olds - now dating them References: Message-ID: <001e01c46fd3$77b91f60$ec6854d2@Young1203> Hi, the following might help with dating Olds engines. The letter prefix on an Olds type A serial no. - as stamped on the name plate/tag - can tell you more about the engine than the number itself. The following is what I have figured out after a few years of recording serial numbers and engine details, not to mention Olds catalogues, books etc. There is a bit a guess work, but the following gives a guide at least. No Letter: Some really early Type A engines did not have a letter prefix. These were the engines with the Olds Gas Engine Works tag. The engines had an earlier carb design quite different to the trumpet like intake and suction design most usually associated with Type A engines. Some early engines also had a bolt on head. The serial numbers of these engines may have continued on from the gearless Olds (Type E). The Type G and the later Gearless were also made with the Olds Gas Engine Works tag. Type A engines with this tag would have been made in 1904/05. B prefix. This denotes an engine with the Olds Gas Power Company tag. The numbers appear to have started again and go up to about 9,500. Possibly sometime in 1906 the familiar trumpet like suction carb came into being. Although the carb design wasn't patented until 1911, it was in use much earlier, indicating a long delay between patent application and grant. If you have a B serial number engine it seems it was made from ~1906 - 1910. D prefix. These are the engines with the Seager Engine Works plate. The name change did not bring about any real changes to the design, however the numbers seem to have started again. Whether they started from 000 or not I don't know. The name change occurred in mid 1910 according to the BRB. Therefore, you are making a mistake if you think a B5000 serial numbered engine is the same as a D5000 serial numbered engine. If you have D serial number engine, it was made in 1910 or later. F prefix. It seems these are the engines sold by Rumely Products Company from about 1912. I am not sure how long the arrangement with Rumely lasted, but it wasnt long. Maybe just a couple of years. The numbers appear to continue on from the Seager engines. If anyone can correct any matters of fact in the above, please let me know. I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has an Olds with a known purchase date. This could help firm up the above date estimates. Thanks. Michael YoungMichael Young 5 Beech Crescent, Orange, NSW, 2800 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 4:43 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] olds > hi patrick, i got a reply from smokstak the engine serial no is stamped > into the top of the piston. i found no 4994 on mine . dave > > > >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > >Subject: RE: [SEL] olds > >Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:05:23 +1000 > > > >Hi Dave, > >Your engine would probably be identical to Ron Sullivan's engine. I cannot > >remember the engine number on his engine being anywhere other than on the > >plate but we will have a search of the engine when it is dug out of storage > >:) > >As a wild guess (from looking at lots of American engines) I would suggest > >looking at the ends of the crank, flywheel hubs, flywheel rims and faces, > >and on top of the cylinder. > >Patrick > > > >Patrick M Livingstone > >Leichhardt NSW > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > >-----Original Message----- > > > >Hi Michael, the crank guard is missing as well as the carby but it is the > >same as the engine on page 358 in the brb of wendel's. it is the one in the > >top right hand corner. are the serial no stamped on the engine anyware? > >thanks for the quick reply dave in oz > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find love today with ninemsn personals. Click here: > http://ninemsn.match.com?referrer=hotmailtagline > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From adamcottrill at telstra.com Thu Jul 22 03:34:47 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:34:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 22 Message-ID: <36e39a36ffb3.36ffb336e39a@email.bigpond.com> Hi everyone and Reg, Thanks so much for all your responses, I agree there are costs to attend an event like this are mounting again I pose the question and the challange give the organisers suggestions on how to reduce the costs, and it is this I also encourage you Reg you place in your letter and I congratulate you in the forsight to take this action. As for the club and members situation I agree you have people who do nothing but pay there dues each year in clubs yes my club has them too. But I cant think of any clubs in Victoria who aren't getting bigger maybe some of the other guys in Vic can raise some Orford, Goldsmith, Weddurburn, Bookaar, Hamilton and the Sumpoilers are going from strength to strength there is even a new rally being planned in Warrnambool in Jan next year. I think as a good example the Junction Rally on recently is a good gauge of how healthy the hobby is, no I didnt attend but from what I hear it was standing room only for exhbitiors by Saturday Lunch time. I'm right behind you on the lerking comment the more guys who say something as you have Reg the better the hobby will be positive debate is always good. The hobby and clubs have had to make changes and become more modern in a historical hobby, people dont like change in most cases older people are reluctant as they dont understand or are scared of the outcomes or on the other hand dont want to leave there comfort zone. Maybe the examples you placed Reg in NSW reflect this and I mean no disrespect in this comment to the older persons in this hobby. I will admit Reg as you breifly touched on rallys have almost become a business due to the requirements from local council, insurance and all the other stuff im sure you well know. No we should not be profited off, but at the same token the organisers have to break even. Think the other side of the card no exhibitors no rallys.... no rallys being organised no opertunity to exhibit. In closing your comments about the NHMA as valid as they may or maynot be I suggest you move to make a "alternative" to the NHMA, one of the other guys commented about competition brining prices down. Yes the NHMA does have the monopoly on clubs and exhibitors. When you wish to do this Reg please let me know I would be more than happy to help you in putting this togeather and would welcome sitting down with you and working through it. . Cheers, Adam From oldengines at bigpond.com Thu Jul 22 03:39:28 2004 From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron & Liz Sullivan) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:39:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally References: Message-ID: <001401c46fd8$2a380530$d2e18690@ronliz1> Hi All I must side with Reg the camping prices should at least have power I dont mind spending a dollar or 2 . Anyway I know a gourmet chef that will be slurping piss; burping and farting, should be able To set up a menu for our nights of fun at a good price. and for you blokes who don,t have to drive far can't wait till Qld. Ron & Liz {coffee &tea maker ] ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat rally > yes i agree with you Russel after all it is only every 2 years , how often > do we save up for months just to go on holidays each year only to blow it > all on a couple of weeks fun the memories soon fade but the memory of a rare > engine stays with us for years all in the hope of finding one some day. > Dave > > > >From: Russell Gilbert > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat rally > >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:53:10 +1000 > > > >Interesting to see how prices effect individuals Reg, (btw guys - yes i'm > >still alive!) I kinda read it different in that. Now my family would not > >see the humor in 4 days worth of engines so I'm on my own. Lets see, > >Thursday night would be a tin of braised steak and veg at $2.50! plus 1/2 > >slab of beer =$16.00 thats 18.50 for a single! do that again on Friday so > >Im up to $37 for 2 nights. Accomodation would be gate crashing in Morris's > >tent or Cam Grundys trailor! Now the entertainment provided by the above > >mentioned alone is well worth the $37 dollars! As long as the farting and > >burping aint to strong. Saturday night is up the pub for a steak and a > >purve! mmmmm few beers, $40.00 I recon. Coffee's cheap because we can Con > >Liz Sulivan into making one for us. Well I always seem to pay $15 for a > >badge so I'll do it again. $40 for 4 days of hot showers when you feel > >shit house in the morning could be quite good value! And $6 bucks to enter. > > $138.00 plus a few panadol. > > > >I don't get to many Rally's and wouldn't miss the national for quids! > >Reasonably cheep fun for 4 days if you look at it like that. I recon it > >cost me that just to spend 5 hours at seaworld. > >Russell > > > >BTW: I hope your $17000 buys a lot of shitters Adam! That sure does sound > >like someone is taking you guys for a ride??? > > > >At 01:20 PM 21/07/2004 +1000, you wrote: > >>Here is a breakdown of cost for a family of four at the event. > >>Thurs night BBQ $40 > >>Fri Night BBQ $40 > >>Sat night meal @$30 PP $120 > >>Rally badge $15 (No free plaques at our > >>events) > >>Registration per exhibitor $6 > >>Camping(No power, etc.) > >>$10 PP P night 4nights $160 > >>Admissions for the wife > >>and kids assuming $10 PP $90 > >> > >>This adds up to $471.00 and that is just the start of it! > >>Then there is the costs of getting there, all other meals, etc.etc.etc. > >>Our fuel is $1 a litre now. not cheap! > >>I really doubt if this sort of expense is justified for an engine show. > >> > >>I am most interested to hear the views of you others on this matter . > >>Reg & Marg Ingold. > >>Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > >>randmingold at hotkey.net.au > >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >Russell Gilbert > >Sunny Sunraysia > >russell at ncable.com.au > >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Feeling spent? Apply here for emergency plastic surgery: > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;9577691;9687279;r?http://www.promo.com.au/virgincreditcard/plasticsurgery/track.cfm?source=P08 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Thu Jul 22 04:36:49 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:36:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Older club members...... References: <40FFA3B4.4020307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <40FFA6D1.9090807@imc-group.com> Oops! Sorry about reposting this to the SEL. Was intending to send this to some of our club members. Must have hit "reply" instead of "forward". Haven't had my wake up juice yet! Curt Curt Holland wrote: > Sound familiar? Other clubs have the same woes we have! > Curt > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Jul 22 05:01:24 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:01:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] olds - now dating them In-Reply-To: <001e01c46fd3$77b91f60$ec6854d2@Young1203> References: <001e01c46fd3$77b91f60$ec6854d2@Young1203> Message-ID: <40FFAC94.5090901@scrtc.com> Michael, Good info on the Olds dating. However, there are some "screwy" things that happen when trying to pinpoint a date for an Olds (or other engines for that matter). The sale or delivery date of the old iron often doesn't match the construction date. My 6 HP Gearless is a good example. The Gearless production ended sometime around the turn of the century. I have the original sales receipt, delivery ticket (from the depot) and even the original order placed for the engine. It is dated April 1906. The Type A engines were in production then. My Gearless was sold by the Lunt Moss Company. Discussing this with others, we determined that possibly when the switch over was made from the gearless to the other models, there was possibly a good supply of the gearless engines warehoused. They were possibly shipped to the jobbers such as Lunt Moss, with the Type A's going to the regular Olds suppliers/dealers. I don't know much about my 10 HP Type G and the date on it. It has quite a bit of similarity to the Gearless engines however. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Michael Young wrote: > Hi, > > the following might help with dating Olds engines. The letter prefix on an > Olds type A serial no. - as stamped on the name plate/tag - can tell you > more about the engine than the number itself. The following is what I have > figured out after a few years of recording serial numbers and engine > details, not to mention Olds catalogues, books etc. There is a bit a guess > work, but the following gives a guide at least. > > > No Letter: Some really early Type A engines did not have a letter prefix. > These were the engines with the Olds Gas Engine Works tag. The engines had > an earlier carb design quite different to the trumpet like intake and > suction design most usually associated with Type A engines. Some early > engines also had a bolt on head. The serial numbers of these engines may > have continued on from the gearless Olds (Type E). The Type G and the later > Gearless were also made with the Olds Gas Engine Works tag. Type A engines > with this tag would have been made in 1904/05. > From pmaples at anaxis.net Thu Jul 22 06:21:12 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:21:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A Message from the Past References: <01c601c46e57$7169dd70$c5f70cd1@VAIO><066f01c46ed2$557b0690$0400a8c0@Dave><007c01c46ed3$4b621350$d3f70cd1@VAIO><074a01c46ed4$77889b60$0400a8c0@Dave><008c01c46ed6$041bbd40$d3f70cd1@VAIO> <075f01c46fa6$225ab240$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <00a001c46fee$c4f5f710$edf70cd1@VAIO> Well now Mr. Dave I must admit that you are not setting a very good example for her, after all you went and buried a hatchet in the head of that poor defenseless Maytag that you have and she may have gotten the idea this could happen to her if she upset the old professor, reckon that could have anything to do with it?. I mean after all, you don't appear to be the easiest going bloke I have seen, .....sinking hatchets in little Maytag's, toting heaters (guns) around, wearing diapers and Arnie had done told all of us that you had a derringer in that diaper, imbibing a lot of the pearl pop with the foam on top. Why the poor girl is probably terrified that if she starts the New Maytag washer a wookalard (unnamed monster) may jump out of it and consume her. You must calm down and present a more calmly figure to your little Jenny and then she will be more receptive to change. Now this is just my take on the situation and I could be wrong. Maybe some of the other list members have a different opinion why Jenny is rejecting your offers of such nice gifts and they will write back and tell you, we may be able to get this issue resolved for you but you must be willing to accept sound advice and then apply it or there will be no hope for you becoming a better husband to poor little Jenny. What about it gang, do any of you have any good advice for OLE Dave, I mean this is bad news, his wife not accepting these wonderful gifts that he goes out of his way to buy her. This could be the early beginnings of a D..I..V..O..R..C..E and I, and I know all of you, don't want to see this, so let's help Dave through his dark period of his life. Hang in there OLE Buddy help will be forthcoming. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Message from the Past > I bought her a MAYTAG washer for her birthday last year and she hasn't even > started it as yet. Until she does, she can keep using the scissors that I > gave her for X-mas several years ago. We only have a little over 4 acres > that needs to be mowed! > Dave > > Darn Dave I figured by now you would have posted pictures of the wife out > > mowing the yard with it. As I recall this was the reason you bought it. > > > > Paul > > > > > > Hi Paul, > > > I had intended to work on the Ideal this month. However with all the > > OT > > > posts to the List (particularly those having to do with broken > computers) > > I > > > just haven't had time to do any engine work. Perhaps next month people > > will > > > slow down a bit with their OT posts and I will have some time to get out > > to > > > the shop! > > > Dave > > > PS, Yes, it's on the back burner, but coming along ever so slowly. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Thu Jul 22 07:29:27 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:29:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <183601c46ff8$4b8b4f10$0301a8c0@ALEC> This is a test, Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Thu Jul 22 07:45:16 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:45:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] olds - now dating them References: <001e01c46fd3$77b91f60$ec6854d2@Young1203> Message-ID: <183b01c46ffa$81a13770$0301a8c0@ALEC> Michael, As Tommy said, somethings are not as they appear, I have the serial #ers of the 18 hp Type G Olds that are in Keith K. July 2004 calender, Contrary to your "gas engine works" theroy. The red one has a serial # of 7354 and the tag says, Olds Gas Engine Works, I do believe this to be a 1900 engine. The other 18 hp Olds type G sitting right beside it has a "Gas Power Co." tag. serial c-295, with a patent date of 8-29-1905. My 18 hp type G has the gas engine works tag and has a serial # of 7813. I also have the serial # from a 12 hp Gearless, its 6119, and has the "Olds Gas Motor Works" tag. this is a heavy cast tag. the other 3 are etched tags,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, The main difference in the 18hp type G's are the fuel pump on the 7354 and 7813 engines go through the base to the fuel pump and need a bearing replaced , if it were used alot, the later "gas power " one with the 1905 patent, has a bent arm going on the outside of the base instead of through it, as well as the shoe type gov. system. the others have the vert. flyballs or the shoe. gov. Hope this clears up the mud, but I dont see how it can!!!!!!!!!!!!! Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 > have continued on from the gearless Olds (Type E). The Type G and the later > Gearless were also made with the Olds Gas Engine Works tag. Type A engines > with this tag would have been made in 1904/05. > B prefix. This denotes an engine with the Olds Gas Power Company tag. The > numbers appear to have started again and go up to about 9,500. Possibly > sometime in 1906 From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Thu Jul 22 08:28:35 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:28:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] early Kohler info . needed Message-ID: <185f01c47000$8e1a5da0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Does anyone have info or pics of a 1920ish Kohler 4 cylinder Gen set??? I have a friend who is looking for 1 or alot of info about them, Anything would be appreciated, Tks Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Jul 22 10:18:01 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:18:01 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Engine Show Pictures Message-ID: Hi Everybody, I have put up some pictures I took a couple weeks ago at a local show. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton04/charlton04.html While I was at the show I was talking to a guy and noticed an accent right away in his voice. I looked at his hat and there was a tag on it that said "Sydney Antique machinery Club". I asked if he was from Australia, and he was. I happened to mention my mate, the famous Reg Ingold, and to my surprise he knew Reg and had been to his place before! He asked me to say hi to his mate Reggie. It is a small world indeed!! Our Reg is truly famous all over the world! He also knew Patrick Livingstone and the 12hp R&V. I was amazed and it was great talking with him!! So Reg, Ron Irving from Old Toongabbie says hello all the way from the states. Also Reg, nice photo of your Mottershead and Atkinson in the August GEM. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From yostsw at atis.net Thu Jul 22 18:52:04 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:52:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] List upgrade and outage References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200> <200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200> <200406231816100593.1B13A373@192.168.2.200> <200406241145380078.1ED4722F@192.168.2.200> <200406241734500359.201437E1@192.168.2.200> <200407061438370953.14B4E57A@192.168.2.200> <200407092231060171.026123B2@192.168.2.200> <200407191134280218.038A5E84@192.168.2.200> Message-ID: <200407222152040656.1183F39A@192.168.2.200> First I wanted to let you folks know that I have new SPAM filtering software. This actually will have some impact on ATIS because the new product I am using is a new service from mail-abuse.com(The DNS-RBL people for you old-time sendmail guys like me). Its not on their web site yet and it is only in evaluation but basically it off-loads SPAM scanning from my server to their servers. This means my server will be less busy. SPAM and virus scanning account for the majority of CPU usage on my system. Also headers of the messages on the list have changed. If you see "Received:" trails that includes servers you don't think should be involved in the transaction, rest assured they are. UNFORTUNATELY: This SPAM scanning is real tough though. If your business or your personal account is a source of SPAM and mail-abuse.org knows about you or your employer, then your message will NEVER make it to my servers to begin with. Before I wasn't doing some of the dial-up account/IP/freemail scanning that this new service will do. If in fact you find yourself blocked by mail-abuse.com, follow the instructions in the rejection email you should get. They should be able to explain why it is happening and what your options are. But feel free to get me involved by contacting me at this other address: syost at triad.rr.com Tomorrow my IP address will change. Since I had the chance to plan this, the outage should be short for most of you - statistically 1/2 hour but it could be an hour and if you are unlucky enough to have an ISP run by an incompetent system administrator, if could be days(they force their DNS resolvers to ignore expiration of the DNS data, which is set by me to be 1 hour right now). Again, contact me at syost at triad.rr.com if you have any unexpected problems. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Jul 23 09:01:55 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:01:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT - Test - Please Ignore Message-ID: Check Check 1 2 3 Check _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Jul 23 10:33:22 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:33:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Need your help for a friend In-Reply-To: <410123D0.9080106@scrtc.com> References: <410123D0.9080106@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <41014BE2.1050107@scrtc.com> I sent the message below and it was returned. We'll try this again. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > I haven't had much time to think engines the last week or so > (I think I got on the list once or twice and posted once on Olds > engines). Many of you have met my buddy Steve Gibson. Steve > comes with me to Portland, Coolspring, and other shows. Steve collects > small (2 HP or less) engines and has some nice ones. Last Thurs. Steve > began to have pain in his side. A strained muscle he thought. > It continued thru Friday evening and then eased some. Then it hit > him hard on Sat night and he was in tremendous pain. He lives next > door to his brother and and he rushed him to the local hospital. > His appendix had ruptured. He had emergency surgery and had to spend > the last few days in the hospital. He's doing better now and has come > home. Other than his brother, Steve doesn't have much family around > here. He worked for a company in Elizabethtown, KY for 31 > years (as soon as he got out of HS). Then, about 4 months ago the > corporate folks walked in and said they were shutting the plant down. > Their production ended up in China. The company retirement plan makes > him ineligible for retirement so Steve has to find another carSo, Steve > has really been down. He's always commenting about the SEL folks and > how nice everyone is to him. Steve doesn't have a computer but I think > I've talked him into getting one. If anyone could send him a card, it > would cheer him up a lot. His address is: Steve Gibson, 270 Warren > Road, Mt. Sherman, KY, 42764. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > > From yostsw at atis.net Fri Jul 23 10:42:12 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:42:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - Test - Please Ignore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200407231342120890.14E9D404@192.168.2.200> I have mail-abuse.org looking at some problems with the stationary-engine.com domain. Apparently they mis-configured this one domain but Luke's test seems to indicate they may have just fixed it??? Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 7/23/2004 at 4:01 PM Luke Tonneberger wrote: >Check Check 1 2 3 Check > >_________________________________________________________________ >Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jul 23 10:37:56 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? Message-ID: Hi Folks, Last night I was reading the Profile piece on David Edgington (written by Eric Brain) in the April 2004 issue of Stationary Engine magazine. It was an interesting and informative piece on one of the guys who is very well known in English engine circles. In addition to being the founder of the magazine in 1974 he's also published a number of key reference books including (among others) "Amanco Engines", "The Story of Petters Limited," and "The History and Development of the Lister D Type." He's also a frequent contributor to Stationary Engine and TOMM. I don't know if he's ever had anything published in GEM or not. Now to the subject of this post. In the piece Eric states... "David Edgington can be described as the best known name throughout the stationary engine world but at the same time, he has one of the least known faces." It's the first part of that statement that intrigued me. And yes, I do realize that it was the contrast that Eric was getting at. Nevertheless... We have folks on the list from the US, Canada, England, Wales, Netherlands, South Africa, Austrailia, New Zeland, etc. OK folks, do you agree with that statement? Is "David Edgington" THE NAME? Or, if not, whose name would you offer up? Or are the "stars" in the hobby local ones only? Here in the US I think that Glenn Karch is probably better known than David Edgington (but I could be wrong) and I'll bet that very few in England or Oz would recognize Glenn's name. In terms of number of books published, I'll wager that David Edgington is at the top of the list by a good margin. But as the politicians say, "How's the name recognition?" Give it some thought and post if you've a mind to. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Jul 23 11:26:50 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:26:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Need your help for a friend Message-ID: Hi Tommy, I'm sorry to hear about your buddy. I think I saw him at an auction in Battle Creek, Michigan a couple weeks ago. I hope he feels better so he can make it to Portland this year. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ==================== >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Re: Need your help for a friend >Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:33:22 -0400 > >I sent the message below and it was returned. We'll try this again. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >>I haven't had much time to think engines the last week or so >>(I think I got on the list once or twice and posted once on Olds engines). >> Many of you have met my buddy Steve Gibson. Steve >>comes with me to Portland, Coolspring, and other shows. Steve collects >>small (2 HP or less) engines and has some nice ones. Last Thurs. Steve >>began to have pain in his side. A strained muscle he thought. >>It continued thru Friday evening and then eased some. Then it hit >>him hard on Sat night and he was in tremendous pain. He lives next >>door to his brother and and he rushed him to the local hospital. >>His appendix had ruptured. He had emergency surgery and had to spend >>the last few days in the hospital. He's doing better now and has come >>home. Other than his brother, Steve doesn't have much family around >>here. He worked for a company in Elizabethtown, KY for 31 >>years (as soon as he got out of HS). Then, about 4 months ago the >>corporate folks walked in and said they were shutting the plant down. >>Their production ended up in China. The company retirement plan makes him >>ineligible for retirement so Steve has to find another carSo, Steve has >>really been down. He's always commenting about the SEL folks and how nice >>everyone is to him. Steve doesn't have a computer but I think I've talked >>him into getting one. If anyone could send him a card, it would cheer him >>up a lot. His address is: Steve Gibson, 270 Warren Road, Mt. Sherman, >>KY, 42764. >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jul 23 11:27:38 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] RE: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? (fwd) Message-ID: From: George Best Great topic Arnie! To be truthful, David Edgington didn't mean anything to me. I'd never even seen the name before, unless someone on SEL has posted his name in the past. While I can very well say that I know who Glenn Karch is and have even met him a few times. :-) I would think that Charles Wendel is one of the most known people in the engine hobby. But then authors of books or writers of articles tend to be better known to a wider area, than collectors in general. Some collectors can be very well known but most aren't well known outside of their own country. The hobby is also big enough that you'd have a hard time defining what "well known" means. George Ps.. If this is also being discussed on the SEL list, maybe someone will cross post this message. From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 23 11:41:56 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:41:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Trailer Plans Message-ID: <001301c470e4$beb76180$d2f70cd1@VAIO> My Grandson's FFA Teacher just contacted me and ask me if I by any chance had any plans for building a 5' X 12' trailer with loading ramps. She is getting ready for this year's FFA Projects and my Grandson is going to be on the Trailer Build Team. The teacher was aware that I had hundreds of plans but most of them are woodworking plans. Do any of you guys are gals have any plans you could donate to the Searcy High School FFA program? Thought it was worth the effort to ask. Thanks, Paul From diesel at easynet.co.uk Fri Jul 23 12:25:36 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:25:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:37:56 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Hi Folks, >OK folks, do you agree with that statement? Is "David Edgington" THE >NAME? Or, if not, whose name would you offer up? Or are the "stars" in >the hobby local ones only? >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero I believe that it depends on your location more than anything else. DWE brought the Stationary Engine hobby and magazine from obscurity into its present state, but generally he was more active/effective in those areas where Lister, Petter and other engines mainly had their markets, such as the UK and Colonies such as Australia etc. Charles Wendel was similarly effective in those areas where American-built machinery was predominant, and that still holds today. What has happened is that a lot of cross-pollination of engines has gone on between continents so the picture is a little mixed up now, but I would say that in their own fields and areas each is the main and best-known player. As far as 'local heroes' go, there are plenty of those on both sides, and alongside Glenn you have others with their own specialities such as Ted Brookover (as one example) The picture is slightly different in the UK, as we are a different bunch of guys when it comes to collecting and restoring, and most have more than a few hobbies which fit alongside their engine stuff, and our lack of room, towing limitations etc etc mean that generally we don't have as many larger engines on display as we might. Of all the items that have spread the word over the past 10 years, I think the Internet and the engine Lists have to be out there in front of everything else. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Fri Jul 23 12:25:36 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:25:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:37:56 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Hi Folks, >OK folks, do you agree with that statement? Is "David Edgington" THE >NAME? Or, if not, whose name would you offer up? Or are the "stars" in >the hobby local ones only? >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero I believe that it depends on your location more than anything else. DWE brought the Stationary Engine hobby and magazine from obscurity into its present state, but generally he was more active/effective in those areas where Lister, Petter and other engines mainly had their markets, such as the UK and Colonies such as Australia etc. Charles Wendel was similarly effective in those areas where American-built machinery was predominant, and that still holds today. What has happened is that a lot of cross-pollination of engines has gone on between continents so the picture is a little mixed up now, but I would say that in their own fields and areas each is the main and best-known player. As far as 'local heroes' go, there are plenty of those on both sides, and alongside Glenn you have others with their own specialities such as Ted Brookover (as one example) The picture is slightly different in the UK, as we are a different bunch of guys when it comes to collecting and restoring, and most have more than a few hobbies which fit alongside their engine stuff, and our lack of room, towing limitations etc etc mean that generally we don't have as many larger engines on display as we might. Of all the items that have spread the word over the past 10 years, I think the Internet and the engine Lists have to be out there in front of everything else. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jul 23 12:13:41 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? In-Reply-To: <002d01c470e7$d33cf400$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> References: <002d01c470e7$d33cf400$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: Hi Harry, On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Harry Terpstra wrote: > I think for GEM readers Glenn Karch, and Helen French are "famous" too;-) Right you are!! And WHO could forget this smiling face? 8-)) http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/news.jpg See ya, Arnie From lfevans at pacbell.net Fri Jul 23 13:12:28 2004 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:12:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Trailer Plans In-Reply-To: <001301c470e4$beb76180$d2f70cd1@VAIO> References: <001301c470e4$beb76180$d2f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040723130514.05ebfbc0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Paul.......... I don't have any plans but you might want to take a look at this web page: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/trailer/ It is a series of pictures of a 5' x 9' trailer with loading ramps that was custom built and you might pick up a few design ideas from it. Regards, Larry At 11:41 AM 7/23/2004, you wrote: >My Grandson's FFA Teacher just contacted me and ask me if I by any chance >had any plans for building a 5' X 12' trailer with loading ramps. She is >getting ready for this year's FFA Projects and my Grandson is going to be on >the Trailer Build Team. The teacher was aware that I had hundreds of plans >but most of them are woodworking plans. > >Do any of you guys are gals have any plans you could donate to the Searcy >High School FFA program? > >Thought it was worth the effort to ask. > >Thanks, > >Paul > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From oldengin at udata.com Fri Jul 23 13:18:29 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:18:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay ohio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41017295.9000907@udata.com> Gday The show in Findlay Ohio will be Aug. 5, 6, 7, 8 and will be featuring the Massey line of equipment. I will be next to the river again and can save area for those needing it, let me know, and looking forward to seeing you there! -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From yostsw at atis.net Fri Jul 23 13:22:57 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:22:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Address change References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200> <200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200> <200406231816100593.1B13A373@192.168.2.200> <200406241145380078.1ED4722F@192.168.2.200> <200406241734500359.201437E1@192.168.2.200> <200407061438370953.14B4E57A@192.168.2.200> <200407092231060171.026123B2@192.168.2.200> <200407191134280218.038A5E84@192.168.2.200> <200407222152040656.1183F39A@192.168.2.200> Message-ID: <200407231622570453.157CFE16@192.168.2.200> The address change is happening here in about a half an hour. DNS changes are going to be made in just a minute. Connection and service will be spotty for an hour or so. I'll keep posting to the lists to keep everyone up to date. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jul 23 13:26:41 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Trailer Plans In-Reply-To: <001301c470e4$beb76180$d2f70cd1@VAIO> References: <001301c470e4$beb76180$d2f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: Hi Paul, Why not spring for a $20 tax-deduction and buy a good set of plans? http://www.trailerplans.com/ or http://www.synthx.com/btw/trailers.htm And don't forget to checkout the advice of the pros... http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/trailer.html See ya, Arnie On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Paul Maples wrote: > My Grandson's FFA Teacher just contacted me and ask me if I by any chance > had any plans for building a 5' X 12' trailer with loading ramps. She is > getting ready for this year's FFA Projects and my Grandson is going to be on > the Trailer Build Team. The teacher was aware that I had hundreds of plans > but most of them are woodworking plans. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jul 23 13:31:26 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Findlay ohio In-Reply-To: <41017295.9000907@udata.com> References: <41017295.9000907@udata.com> Message-ID: Hiya Leroy, Save room for Dave and I in the low rent district on the floodplain. We'll be there around lunchtime on Thursday with Dave's Famous and my Witte and Lorenz. And for the rest of you who have never been to the Findlay show, you're missing one of the very best. As an exhibitor you are made VERY welcome! The food is great too!! This show is a "Must Go" right up there with Portland and Coolspring. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Leroy C. wrote: > The show in Findlay Ohio will be Aug. 5, 6, 7, 8 and will be > featuring the Massey line of equipment. I will be next to the river > again and can save area for those needing it, let me know, and looking > forward to seeing you there! From oldengin at udata.com Fri Jul 23 14:24:29 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:24:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? In-Reply-To: References: <002d01c470e7$d33cf400$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: <4101820D.3040808@udata.com> I think for GEM readers Glenn Karch, and Helen French are "famous" too;-) See ya, Arnie Arnie, here is my list 1) Wendell, because of books and articles in mags. (GEM) 2) Brookover, his work is well known all over the world! 3) Karch, he took a small player in the market and made them known. 4)T French, her work and dedication is some of the best. 4)T Farmer, same as above 5) Matthews, Harry has the best web site, engin related, on the web 6) Wolfe, Kenny is known for his million dollar row. There you have it JMO -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From yostsw at atis.net Fri Jul 23 14:57:21 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:57:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Address change References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200> <200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200> <200406231816100593.1B13A373@192.168.2.200> <200406241145380078.1ED4722F@192.168.2.200> <200406241734500359.201437E1@192.168.2.200> <200407061438370953.14B4E57A@192.168.2.200> <200407092231060171.026123B2@192.168.2.200> <200407191134280218.038A5E84@192.168.2.200> <200407222152040656.1183F39A@192.168.2.200> <200407231622570453.157CFE16@192.168.2.200> Message-ID: <200407231757210109.002E2606@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> Access seems to be returning. A message came through on SEL and I received some mail personally. I am seeing web traffic, light to be sure, but I am seeing it nonetheless. The address change was delayed by about 45 minutes , so it has only been about 25 minutes since the change. Most everyone should be coming back on line very shortly. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From BetCleve321 at aol.com Fri Jul 23 15:40:29 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:40:29 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? Message-ID: <1ea.25e41acd.2e32eddd@aol.com> In a message dated 7/23/2004 3:28:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: I think for GEM readers Glenn Karch, and Helen French are "famous" too;-) Right you are!! And WHO could forget this smiling face? 8-)) http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/news.jpg See ya, Arnie Somewhere up there in Pittsville, I just can HEAR somebody saying, "Come on, come on someone say my name. Please , just some damn one of you ungrateful bastards say it. I jus know you want to say my name. Come on. Damn it. From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Jul 23 15:43:57 2004 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:43:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? References: <002d01c470e7$d33cf400$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> <4101820D.3040808@udata.com> Message-ID: <000f01c47106$8b6aef00$48394a18@carolina.rr.com> Leroy: You forgot Fero, Arnie. Known worldwide for taking the Art of Procrastination to new limits in story, deeds, and promises. Ahh to be the master of so much at such a tender age. A legacy known round the world. If only I could snatch the pebble from his hand............ MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy C." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 5:24 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? > I think for GEM readers Glenn Karch, and Helen French are "famous" too;-) > > See ya, Arnie > > > Arnie, here is my list > > 1) Wendell, because of books and articles in mags. (GEM) > 2) Brookover, his work is well known all over the world! > 3) Karch, he took a small player in the market and made them known. > 4)T French, her work and dedication is some of the best. > 4)T Farmer, same as above > 5) Matthews, Harry has the best web site, engin related, on the web > 6) Wolfe, Kenny is known for his million dollar row. > > There you have it JMO > > > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rexhinz at chorus.net Fri Jul 23 16:30:59 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:30:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Govenor weight springs Message-ID: <001801c4710d$26ea0140$6286a5d8@rex> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 6:24 PM Subject: Govenor weight springs > can anyonr tell me how to replace the govenor weight springs on my > simplicity 1.5 Hp .? , not as to where they go but to find the right springs > with the right pull or tension , do I look for springs with the same wire > dia. or do I have to try to measure the pull of the old spring and find some > with the same pull , the old ones are there buy someone has streached them > out and made new hooks on them and they look like they could break at any > time (very rusty) How do I adjust them when I replace them ? trial and error > or is there a formula ? > > Question # 2 > > Also the engine has an adjuster on the latch , what does it do ? its > got a lock nut and thumb screw and spring is this part of the speed control > ? > > Thanks > Rex Hinz > > > > From ELIDAS at aol.com Fri Jul 23 16:43:21 2004 From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:43:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? Message-ID: <1a2.271c9bd7.2e32fc99@aol.com> In a message dated 7/23/2004 5:48:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, oldengin at udata.com writes: 1) Wendell, because of books and articles in mags. (GEM) 2) Brookover, his work is well known all over the world! 3) Karch, he took a small player in the market and made them known. 4)T French, her work and dedication is some of the best. 4)T Farmer, same as above 5) Matthews, Harry has the best web site, engin related, on the web 6) Wolfe, Kenny is known for his million dollar row. 7) Lee Pederson- Anyone here never heard of him? Mike Semanoff Waterbury CT From old_iron at msn.com Fri Jul 23 17:13:40 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:13:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Need your help for a friend Message-ID: The get well card is in the snail. Peg Pfeiffer >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Re: Need your help for a friend >Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:33:22 -0400 > >I sent the message below and it was returned. We'll try this again. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >>I haven't had much time to think engines the last week or so >>(I think I got on the list once or twice and posted once on Olds engines). >> Many of you have met my buddy Steve Gibson. Steve >>comes with me to Portland, Coolspring, and other shows. Steve collects >>small (2 HP or less) engines and has some nice ones. Last Thurs. Steve >>began to have pain in his side. A strained muscle he thought. >>It continued thru Friday evening and then eased some. Then it hit >>him hard on Sat night and he was in tremendous pain. He lives next >>door to his brother and and he rushed him to the local hospital. >>His appendix had ruptured. He had emergency surgery and had to spend >>the last few days in the hospital. He's doing better now and has come >>home. Other than his brother, Steve doesn't have much family around >>here. He worked for a company in Elizabethtown, KY for 31 >>years (as soon as he got out of HS). Then, about 4 months ago the >>corporate folks walked in and said they were shutting the plant down. >>Their production ended up in China. The company retirement plan makes him >>ineligible for retirement so Steve has to find another carSo, Steve has >>really been down. He's always commenting about the SEL folks and how nice >>everyone is to him. Steve doesn't have a computer but I think I've talked >>him into getting one. If anyone could send him a card, it would cheer him >>up a lot. His address is: Steve Gibson, 270 Warren Road, Mt. Sherman, >>KY, 42764. >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 23 18:03:38 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:03:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Weekly Plea for Transportation Help Message-ID: <002301c4711a$140421c0$220110ac@VAIO> Portland is getting closer and once again I am submitting my weekly plea for transportation help to get my fodder chopper hauled from George Woodzell's house in Schenectady, NY to Ivan Cousins place in Clarion, Pa or to Portland. Ivan has graciously consented to haul it from his place in Clarion, Pa to Portland if someone can get it to him there. As I have said in previous posts George hauled the chopper from Massachusetts to his home in Schenectady in the back of his Volvo station wagon so it is not a big piece of equipment. If anyone can help me please contact me via e-mail or via phone at 501-230-8229. Anybody, somebody...help, please! Thanks, Paul From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Jul 23 18:57:10 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 21:57:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? References: <1a2.271c9bd7.2e32fc99@aol.com> Message-ID: <0c4801c47121$88bf3bb0$0400a8c0@Dave> > 1) Wendell, because of books and articles in mags. (GEM) > 2) Brookover, his work is well known all over the world! > 3) Karch, he took a small player in the market and made them known. > 4)T French, her work and dedication is some of the best. > 4)T Farmer, same as above > 5) Matthews, Harry has the best web site, engin related, on the web > 6) Wolfe, Kenny is known for his million dollar row. > 7) Lee Pederson- Anyone here never heard of him? > Mike Semanoff A good list Mike, but how could we forget Bambi and Nitro? Dave PS, Bambi can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Arden_2003/MVC-836X.JPG From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Jul 24 01:58:16 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:58:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NR Message-ID: <010f01c4715c$5f92c280$660d1bd3@athlon> <<> In closing your comments about the NHMA as valid as they may or maynot be I suggest you move to make a "alternative" to the NHMA, one of the other guys commented about competition brining prices down. Yes the NHMA does have the monopoly on clubs and exhibitors. When you wish to do this Reg please let me know I would be more than happy to help you in putting this togeather and would welcome sitting down with you and working through it.>> Adam, I am past really caring about the overall picture. I am getting to be too old to be of use. I only comment OPENLY about what I feel might be against forward progress in the hobby. I will be the first to admit that I am wasting my time but. At least I tried to make things better in my time in the hobby. I really should know better by now! Go back to running it your way. there are always sheep waiting to be fleeced. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Jul 24 02:05:21 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:05:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? References: <002d01c470e7$d33cf400$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: <011f01c4715d$5cc491e0$660d1bd3@athlon> Arnie, NEVER has ONE woman been loved by so many!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: Cc: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 5:13 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? > Hi Harry, > > On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Harry Terpstra wrote: > > > I think for GEM readers Glenn Karch, and Helen French are "famous" too;-) > > Right you are!! And WHO could forget this smiling face? 8-)) > http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/news.jpg > > See ya, Arnie > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Jul 24 02:07:26 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:07:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Address change References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com><200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com><200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200><200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200><200406231816100593.1B13A373@192.168.2.200><200406241145380078.1ED4722F@192.168.2.200><200406241734500359.201437E1@192.168.2.200><200407061438370953.14B4E57A@192.168.2.200><200407092231060171.026123B2@192.168.2.200><200407191134280218.038A5E84@192.168.2.200><200407222152040656.1183F39A@192.168.2.200><200407231622570453.157CFE16@192.168.2.200> <200407231757210109.002E2606@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> Message-ID: <012701c4715d$a78ab880$660d1bd3@athlon> >From the heart mate, THANKS for your efforts. I would be lost without this link to my friends, you included of course. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spencer Yost" To: ; ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 7:57 AM Subject: [SEL] Address change > Access seems to be returning. A message came through on SEL and I > received some mail personally. I am seeing web traffic, light to be sure, > but I am seeing it nonetheless. The address change was delayed by about > 45 minutes , so it has only been about 25 minutes since the change. Most > everyone should be coming back on line very shortly. > > Spencer Yost > Owner, ATIS > Plow the Net! > http://www.atis.net > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Jul 24 02:44:42 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:44:42 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Address change Message-ID: <072420040944.13078.2726@mchsi.com> Spencer, Your coming through loud and clear in northen Illinois....and you don't know how much I appreciate all your dedicated work in making communication possible with alot of good folks on this globe. THANKYOU VERY MUCH. Curt Andree > Access seems to be returning. A message came through on SEL and I > received some mail personally. I am seeing web traffic, light to be sure, > but I am seeing it nonetheless. The address change was delayed by about > 45 minutes , so it has only been about 25 minutes since the change. Most > everyone should be coming back on line very shortly. > > Spencer Yost > Owner, ATIS > Plow the Net! > http://www.atis.net > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sat Jul 24 04:06:29 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:06:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? References: <1ea.25e41acd.2e32eddd@aol.com> Message-ID: <410242B4.B7118E5C@insulate.co.uk> Skip, I think the word you're looking for is "INfamous" Dolly BetCleve321 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/23/2004 3:28:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, > fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > > I think for GEM readers Glenn Karch, and Helen French are "famous" too;-) > > Somewhere up there in Pittsville, I just can HEAR somebody saying, "Come on, > come on someone say my name. Please , just some damn one of you ungrateful > bastards say it. I jus know you want to say my name. > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Jul 24 06:17:07 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 23:17:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200407241317.i6ODH3wf042750@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi Arnie, Probably the two most recognizable 'international' names in Oz would have to be C.H. Wendel as there would be few who do not have his book. The other would be Patrick Knight as a lot of people have his A-Z of British engines and he is a regular contributor to TOMM. Patrick PS Arnie and Dave are known but that is only because of the shoot on sight order at the airport ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Folks, In the piece Eric states... "David Edgington can be described as the best known name throughout the stationary engine world but at the same time, he has one of the least known faces." It's the first part of that statement that intrigued me. And yes, I do realize that it was the contrast that Eric was getting at. Nevertheless... We have folks on the list from the US, Canada, England, Wales, Netherlands, South Africa, Austrailia, New Zeland, etc. OK folks, do you agree with that statement? Is "David Edgington" THE NAME? Or, if not, whose name would you offer up? Or are the "stars" in the hobby local ones only? Here in the US I think that Glenn Karch is probably better known than David Edgington (but I could be wrong) and I'll bet that very few in England or Oz would recognize Glenn's name. In terms of number of books published, I'll wager that David Edgington is at the top of the list by a good margin. But as the politicians say, "How's the name recognition?" Give it some thought and post if you've a mind to. See ya, Arnie From ELIDAS at aol.com Sat Jul 24 07:08:27 2004 From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 10:08:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/23/2004 10:01:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: A good list Mike, but how could we forget Bambi and Nitro? Dave PS, Bambi can be seen at: I only added #7. I think the rest is Leroys. Looks like you added #8 and #9 . Mike From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jul 24 07:50:56 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:50:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Magnet Recharge Message-ID: Howdy all; Well I can't say enough on how well my engines start after recharging the magnets on the Websters. The little Gal (2 1/4 hp.) was quite onry and had to break sweat in order to get her going. Now it starts on the second pull. Eco was a good starter but a recharge didn't hurt her either. Will be interesting to see what the sawrig will do, but on the table it throws a pretty good spark. I wouldn't have thot a hot spark compared to a weak spark would have made that much difference. btw, this charger has coils made of very healthy "flat on both sides" wire. I'm using 12vdc. "Happy Camper" RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sat Jul 24 14:17:18 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:17:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? References: <002d01c470e7$d33cf400$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> <011f01c4715d$5cc491e0$660d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <4102D1DE.56290DAD@insulate.co.uk> Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > Arnie, NEVER has ONE woman been loved by so many!!! Steady - you'll make me blush! Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Jul 24 14:47:34 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 07:47:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally Message-ID: <031301c471c7$d91243e0$660d1bd3@athlon> Here is the reply I have received. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: JULIAN PRICE To: randmingold at hotkey.net.au Cc: david carter Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 10:31 PM Subject: Acknowledgement of e-mail Dear Reg, Your letter of concern has been passed on to me for my comments, and I can assure you that this letter will be tabled at our very next committee meeting, as a letter of this nature is a big concern of ours and as such must be properly addressed. I can promise you that this letter will receive the attention of all of our committee members and will be dealt with in a correct manner and either myself or someone from the committee will be in touch with you once we have dealt with the issues you have raised. Once again Reg, thank you for the letter, as it only through this sort of thing that we can be aware of any problems. Sincerely Julian Price Senior Coordinator P.S It is my intention that every member will have a copy of this letter, to take home and return with their answers at the following meeting, with no one knowing what each other has written, as since the drawing up of the original registration form, so much has happened, that an entirely different focus on things may be expected. Yours etc JP From kerogas at the-i.net Sat Jul 24 14:48:45 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:48:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Govenor weight springs References: <001801c4710d$26ea0140$6286a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <002c01c471c8$03c29c20$07905841@oemcomputer> can anyonr tell me how to replace the govenor weight springs on my > simplicity 1.5 Hp .? , not as to where they go but to find the right springs >>. How do I adjust them when I replace them ? trial and > error > > or is there a formula ? Yes there is , but I cant think why , for the life of me , you would need to mess up prefectly clean chalkboard for this one . You need to find some rather light gauge springs. A smaller gauge than what it had will usually do . THe hdw store variety bend and cut to any length or shape you want (that's shorther) then set them all the way out and get started , starting your motor . It isnt hard at all . If it stays latched out and never hits again tighten up the screw , shorten the spring or put a heavier one . loosening and tightening the screw most manuf's put for the spring to hook into is normally sufficient . From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jul 24 15:48:11 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? In-Reply-To: <011f01c4715d$5cc491e0$660d1bd3@athlon> References: <002d01c470e7$d33cf400$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> <011f01c4715d$5cc491e0$660d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: G'day Reg, I'll drink to that!!!! 8-))))) See ya, Arnie On Sat, 24 Jul 2004, Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > Arnie, NEVER has ONE woman been loved by so many!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > > > > Right you are!! And WHO could forget this smiling face? 8-)) > > http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/news.jpg From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jul 24 15:51:10 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? In-Reply-To: <200407241317.i6ODH3wf042750@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> References: <200407241317.i6ODH3wf042750@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: G'day Patrick, On Sat, 24 Jul 2004, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > PS Arnie and Dave are known but that is only because of the shoot on sight > order at the airport ;) Memo to self: Rethink idea of attending National Rally in Oz in 2005!! 8-)) See ya, Arnie From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jul 24 15:58:40 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? In-Reply-To: <000f01c47106$8b6aef00$48394a18@carolina.rr.com> References: <002d01c470e7$d33cf400$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> <4101820D.3040808@udata.com> <000f01c47106$8b6aef00$48394a18@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike, WHEW!!! For a second there I thought you were gonna refer to that unfortunate incident that involved a half-dozen dry martinis on an empty stomach!! 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Mike Royster wrote: > You forgot Fero, Arnie. > Known worldwide for taking the Art of Procrastination to new limits in > story, deeds, and promises. Ahh to be the master of so much at such a > tender age. A legacy known round the world. If only I could snatch the > pebble from his hand............ > From page at velocitynet.com.au Sat Jul 24 16:52:30 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:52:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? References: <200407241317.i6ODH3wf042750@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <002701c471d9$4996d480$8a63fea9@sweeper> I agree Patrick but I would also think that Ray Hooley could be placed up there, If it was localised then we in OZ would have to include you, Ed Payne, the Summerfield's, the Daniels to name but a few. Ron Page ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 11:17 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? > Hi Arnie, > Probably the two most recognizable 'international' names in Oz would > have to be C.H. Wendel as there would be few who do not have his book. The > other would be Patrick Knight as a lot of people have his A-Z of British > engines and he is a regular contributor to TOMM. > Patrick > > PS Arnie and Dave are known but that is only because of the shoot on sight > order at the airport ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > -----Original Message----- > Hi Folks, > > In the piece Eric states... "David Edgington can be described as the best > known name throughout the stationary engine world but at the same time, he > has one of the least known faces." > > It's the first part of that statement that intrigued me. And yes, I do > realize that it was the contrast that Eric was getting at. > Nevertheless... > > We have folks on the list from the US, Canada, England, Wales, > Netherlands, South Africa, Austrailia, New Zeland, etc. > > OK folks, do you agree with that statement? Is "David Edgington" THE > NAME? Or, if not, whose name would you offer up? Or are the "stars" in > the hobby local ones only? > > Here in the US I think that Glenn Karch is probably better known than > David Edgington (but I could be wrong) and I'll bet that very few in > England or Oz would recognize Glenn's name. > > In terms of number of books published, I'll wager that David Edgington is > at the top of the list by a good margin. But as the politicians say, > "How's the name recognition?" > > Give it some thought and post if you've a mind to. > > See ya, Arnie > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From alanb2 at webtv.net Sat Jul 24 17:00:46 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 20:00:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Magnet Recharge In-Reply-To: "Richard Strobel" 's message of Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:50:56 -0600 Message-ID: <9988-4102F82E-262@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> E-mail message Sender: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com(Richard?Strobel) Date: Sat, Jul 24, 2004, 8:50am (EDT-2) To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL email discussion list) Subject: [SEL] Magnet Recharge Reply?to: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (The SEL email discussion list) Howdy all; ????Well I can't say enough on how well my engines start after recharging the magnets on the Websters. The little Gal (2 1/4 hp.) was quite onry and had to break sweat in order to get her going. Now it starts on the second pull. Eco was a good starter but a recharge didn't hurt her either. Will be interesting to see what the sawrig will do, but on the table it throws a pretty good spark. ??????I wouldn't have thot a hot spark compared to a weak spark would have made that much difference. ????btw, this charger has coils made of very healthy "flat on both sides" wire. I'm using 12vdc. "Happy Camper" RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From bill at antique-engines.com Sat Jul 24 17:15:01 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:15:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] NR In-Reply-To: <010f01c4715c$5f92c280$660d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <00a301c471dc$6e3e3190$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Click go the shears boys, click click click. Jumbuck................ -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Reg & Margaret Ingold Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 3:58 AM To: List SEL Subject: [SEL] NR <<> In closing your comments about the NHMA as valid as they may or maynot be I suggest you move to make a "alternative" to the NHMA, one of the other guys commented about competition brining prices down. Yes the NHMA does have the monopoly on clubs and exhibitors. When you wish to do this Reg please let me know I would be more than happy to help you in putting this togeather and would welcome sitting down with you and working through it.>> Adam, I am past really caring about the overall picture. I am getting to be too old to be of use. I only comment OPENLY about what I feel might be against forward progress in the hobby. I will be the first to admit that I am wasting my time but. At least I tried to make things better in my time in the hobby. I really should know better by now! Go back to running it your way. there are always sheep waiting to be fleeced. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 24 18:14:52 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Fw: Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally In-Reply-To: <031301c471c7$d91243e0$660d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <20040725011452.77854.qmail@web20223.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Reg, Around here, when someone is treated in such a patronizing fashion, we refer to it as "having smoke blown up yer arse". Perhaps I am too cynical, but I really doubt you will get much satisfaction there. I do not fully understand how things are done in your part of the world, and would appreciate it if you could "explain me this": Who is the group that puts on this national rally of yours? Is it a group of investors or a management group, working to earn a profit for themselves? Or are they a non-profit group, consisting of clubs and collectors who use the proceeds to promote the hobby? How many days does this show run? How many spectators does such an event draw? Is admission charged and how much? How many engines and tractors show up? How many exhibitors are there? Does this organization own their own showgrounds? If so, how big are they and how many permanent displays do they have there? Does paying the fees and participating in this event carry any benefits? Does it make you a member with voting rights, receiving a newsletter or magazine periodically? These are legitimate questions. When I asked them before, someone may have thought I was not serious about them, but I am. I am curious about what sort of expenses are incurred in putting this event together. I could understand the need for the fees if the money is used to make some sort of permanent investment that will better the hobby in the future. Here in the states, most shows are paid for by the spectators, not the exhibitors. As you surely have noticed by the posts in the past here and on Harry's, folks here get really upset if they are expected to pay anything to exhibit. Any insight you can give me would be appreciated! Joe --- Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > Here is the reply I have received. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ===== Joe Prindle Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: www.tznet.com/jprindle Our Club: www.badgersteamandgas.com See Yoo in Baraboo! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 24 14:37:30 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:37:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] E-mail Address Change Message-ID: <00bd01c471c6$7066dff0$240110ac@VAIO> Ok folks I now have DSL up and running and I now have a new e-mail address so I would like for all of you that are interested to change my address in your address book to my new e-mail address paulmaples at sbcglobal.net . I am going to hold on the old e-mail address for a couple of months just to be sure that everyone has gotten it that wants it. Thanks. Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 24 19:11:30 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:11:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Harry Matthews E-mail Address Message-ID: <007e01c471ec$b53f1f90$240110ac@VAIO> Can someone send me Harry's e-mail address? Thanks From bercar at shenhgts.net Sat Jul 24 20:43:05 2004 From: bercar at shenhgts.net (Bernie) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 23:43:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] E-Bay warning In-Reply-To: <00bd01c471c6$7066dff0$240110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: a word of caution to anyone selling items on ebay. There has been lots of attempted, and sometimes sucessful scams on ebay using fake escrow services. I has a user try to get me to use e-safetrades.com to complete a transaction, luckly i suspected them from the start so i didnt do anything except reply to a few emails, and report them to ebay. Bernie From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Sat Jul 24 20:45:26 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:45:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally Message-ID: Hi Joe just thought i would put in my little bit of criticism of the hobby here in australia. it has been a growing trend in the last 5 years(i have been involved in the hobby for 12years) that more and more clubs have been charging exhibitors to camp on site and these charges have been rising regulary. We have been told that these charges are to go towards upgrades of the facilities but i am yet to see this especially at one rally inparticular.In my oppinion we are the ones who supply what the general public come to see there for why do we the exhibitors keep getting charged to attend.Sure the clubs have to make money to cover costs but that should come from the public or commisions from club run auctions or other events not from our pockets.I think clubs should be putting more time into fundraising and more time into keeping the costs down for the exhibitors.As it is with rising global fuel costs it is making it more expensive to travel to most rallies unless they are local.A friend and i recently travel 1200 kilometres round trip to attend a rally that is only held every 3yrs ,to do this on our own would have made it an expensive trip considering it was only for 2 days but it was well worth it.I think you just have to weigh up the costs and how important some rallies are to you,i myself will travel hours just to squeeze an exrta rally in each year but this is out of reach of alot of collectors.anyway this is only my opinion. Dave ps if anyone out there has any ideas that could be put in place to keep costs down for exhibitors i would like to hear them. >From: Joe Prindle >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally >Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:14:52 -0700 (PDT) > >Hello Reg, >Around here, when someone is treated in such a patronizing fashion, we >refer to it as "having smoke blown up yer arse". Perhaps I am too cynical, >but I really doubt you will get much satisfaction there. >I do not fully understand how things are done in your part of the world, >and would appreciate it if you could "explain me this": > >Who is the group that puts on this national rally of yours? Is it a group >of investors or a management group, working to earn a profit for >themselves? Or are they a non-profit group, consisting of clubs and >collectors who use the proceeds to promote the hobby? >How many days does this show run? >How many spectators does such an event draw? Is admission charged and how >much? >How many engines and tractors show up? >How many exhibitors are there? >Does this organization own their own showgrounds? If so, how big are they >and how many permanent displays do they have there? >Does paying the fees and participating in this event carry any benefits? >Does it make you a member with voting rights, receiving a newsletter or >magazine periodically? >These are legitimate questions. When I asked them before, someone may have >thought I was not serious about them, but I am. >I am curious about what sort of expenses are incurred in putting this >event together. I could understand the need for the fees if the money is >used to make some sort of permanent investment that will better the hobby >in the future. Here in the states, most shows are paid for by the >spectators, not the exhibitors. As you surely have noticed by the posts in >the past here and on Harry's, folks here get really upset if they are >expected to pay anything to exhibit. >Any insight you can give me would be appreciated! >Joe > >--- Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > > Here is the reply I have received. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > >===== >Joe Prindle >Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist >See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: >www.tznet.com/jprindle >Our Club: >www.badgersteamandgas.com >See Yoo in Baraboo! > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Smart Saving with ING Direct ? earn 5.25% p.a. variable rate: http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/clk;7249209;8842331;n?http://www.ingdirect.com.au/burst6offer.asp?id=8 From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Sat Jul 24 20:51:54 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:51:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] little jumbo Message-ID: Hi can someone out there tell me wether the conrods in the 1 3/4 little jumbo's are the same in the model p and the later u and t models Dave _________________________________________________________________ Protect your inbox from harmful viruses with new ninemsn Premium. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp?banner=emailtag&referrer=hotmail From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Jul 25 02:52:34 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 19:52:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally References: <20040725011452.77854.qmail@web20223.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00de01c4722e$14d3bf60$0100007f@athlon> Hi Joe. To answer your questions as best I can, and in order. The Nat rally is held every two years. At the meeting held by the NHMA at these events, clubs interested in holding the next event vie for it with a 'presentation' and it is voted on. he original idea put up by the NHMA was for it to go to different states in rotation but that fell over. Then, with the 'help' of the NHMA, it goes ahead and sets it up. At this point I must say that a lot of folk work their arses off doing the hard work. My hat is off to them. It usually is a three day event. Admission at the last one was $15 each day. regarding size, your show is bigger. I have no figures on attendance, exhibits, etc. You also have to take into account the much lower population here. As an event, it is the biggest Oz has to offer. There are only a few clubs over here who own their own estate. The upcoming event will be held at the local horse racing grounds. Some clubs have newsletters and the like. There is no benefit to be had from the host club by exhibiting. There seems to be a trend to make the exhibitors pay a higher percent each show. I dont know the finance details but, the blurb says the area hopes to be a few million $$ better off after it closes. In the time I have been attending these events, I have noticed that the next organising club copies the methods of the previous. Sure, there is a lot of effort in getting the sponsorship needed. But, in the event of not raising enough from the local area, who benefit the most, I dont agree with milking the exhibitors. Our club has a rule in its minutes that "No member will pay to show his exhibits" Where does that put our club members? An Ozzie BBQ at a show is usually a sausage on a slice of bread. Even if there is a bit of salad, $10 is a bit steep! And so it goes. It really is not the few extra $$ so much as the whole underlying structure and thinking that made me 'spit the dummy' and open my mouth. Further, the concept of a National Body was put up some years back with the object of giving a united voice to the engine clubs. It took upon itself the task of giving us an insurance cover and its version of a safety code, etc.etc. It now regards itself as the rulers of the hobby. I am less than happy with the way things have gone. Any independent club has no chance of co existing amicably due to the nature of the rules re members insurance cover. You are one or the other. The thought of doing things in a different way to what is stated by the NHMA is regarded as TREASON in a lot of cases. (I know!!) So, I hope this gives you a little insight into how things are here. I will close with the thought, Best of luck to all the hard workers who are doing their best to put on this event. I dont envy you all the hard work ahead. Just dont let the easy route of loading prices to the exhibitors eventuate. It is an ongoing downward path. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Prindle" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally > Hello Reg, > Around here, when someone is treated in such a patronizing fashion, we > refer to it as "having smoke blown up yer arse". Perhaps I am too cynical, > but I really doubt you will get much satisfaction there. > I do not fully understand how things are done in your part of the world, > and would appreciate it if you could "explain me this": > > Who is the group that puts on this national rally of yours? Is it a group > of investors or a management group, working to earn a profit for > themselves? Or are they a non-profit group, consisting of clubs and > collectors who use the proceeds to promote the hobby? > How many days does this show run? > How many spectators does such an event draw? Is admission charged and how > much? > How many engines and tractors show up? > How many exhibitors are there? > Does this organization own their own showgrounds? If so, how big are they > and how many permanent displays do they have there? > Does paying the fees and participating in this event carry any benefits? > Does it make you a member with voting rights, receiving a newsletter or > magazine periodically? > These are legitimate questions. When I asked them before, someone may have > thought I was not serious about them, but I am. > I am curious about what sort of expenses are incurred in putting this > event together. I could understand the need for the fees if the money is > used to make some sort of permanent investment that will better the hobby > in the future. Here in the states, most shows are paid for by the > spectators, not the exhibitors. As you surely have noticed by the posts in > the past here and on Harry's, folks here get really upset if they are > expected to pay anything to exhibit. > Any insight you can give me would be appreciated! > Joe > > --- Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > > Here is the reply I have received. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > ===== > Joe Prindle > Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist > See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: > www.tznet.com/jprindle > Our Club: > www.badgersteamandgas.com > See Yoo in Baraboo! > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Jul 25 03:10:22 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:10:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tom Mackay Message-ID: I thought that you would all want to hear about Tom Mackay who is presently in hospital with a couple of serious problems. Peter Ogborne and Jack Watson have very kindly kept me informed about Tom's condition, but it is not looking too good for the long term. We met Tom and Beth during our visit to Australia in 1999, and we spent a very full day with them, followed by a very nice evening with Jack and his wife Nadia. I know that you would all want to send your best wishes to Tom and Beth at this very difficult time for them both. As soon as I have more info via Jack and Peter I will post it to the Lists. -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From dcox at triad.rr.com Sun Jul 25 05:35:54 2004 From: dcox at triad.rr.com (Dallas Cox) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:35:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cut off engine Message-ID: <003a01c47243$eebbb1f0$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Will someone please tell me what is the meaning of the term "cut off engine" in idenfying different engine types. I have seen this term reading different information and copies of manuals on oil field pumping engines. Thanks Dallas From adamcottrill at telstra.com Sun Jul 25 05:55:39 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:55:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally Message-ID: <3b049f3ad202.3ad2023b049f@email.bigpond.com> "Any independent club has no chance of co existing amicably due to the nature of the rules re members insurance cover. You are one or the other." You missed the point Reg that Orford one of the most popular and fastest growing rallys does not have NHMA affiliation (ok well maybe this says something). Two of its members kindly fund the insurance premium privately so they can run the rally. My own club until recently has its own private insurance policy and changed to the National body simply because it was more cost effective $12 per person compared to $2500 a year. I also draw your attention to the National Rally Entry form to the section where it asks if do or do not have public liability of $10mill or more, if you dont they offer avenues to obtain it in previous National rallys before Hayfield my club sort to abtain to to meet the requirements of the NHMA as we only had $5mill at the time. Clubs do have a fair and equal chance to co exist as proven by the examples above so long as they have a minimun of 10mill public liablity which is now in most states is the min requirement by law. Insurance is avalible for this hobby in this country if you can afford it and I see that point being no fault of the NHMA who collectively with its 7000 or so members pay for a insurance policy inexcess of $50,000 per year which gives national coverage. I can tell you from personal experience being a saftey officer and checking insurance cards of exhibitors that come to my rally very many have there own private public liability insurance of $10mill and I assure to they are made most welcome and take part in all events and continue to come back year after year. Maybe you can suggest to your club Reg seeking alternate insurance providers as it seems from what your saying in regards to your consitution the NHMA doesnt meet your needs of your club I assure you there are companys more than willing to do business contact me off list and I will pass on the contact details. And if you do decide to seek alternate means of coverage so long as it meets the $10mill requirement you will be most welcome to be a an exhbitor and guest at our forth comming rally in March the weekend after the National. If it doesnt meet the $10mill requirement I assure you also there are means of allowing you to exhbit and having a great time at our rally and to that end I extend an invitation to you to visit the weekend after in March. Kind regards, Adam From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Jul 25 07:33:09 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:33:09 EDT Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally Message-ID: <1f1.2602fae9.2e351ea5@aol.com> In a message dated 7/25/2004 10:14:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, adamcottrill at telstra.com writes: << And if you do decide to seek alternate means of coverage so long as it meets the $10mill requirement you will be most welcome to be a an exhbitor >> Holly Mackerel!!! I would hate to price $10M liability insurance. I thought the $1M rider was expensive enough. It will come a time that folks will just keep their stuff at home and let people come to visit provided they sign a document releasing the land owner from any liability like tripping over a blade of grass!! $ for engines, $ for restoration costs, $ truck and trailer, $ for transportation to/from show, $ for sleeping quarters, $ for food, $ for gas for demonstrations, $ for insurance, $ for entrance fees in some cases, $ for misc. expenses. All to demonstrate to the spectators the old ways of life! Great bunch of people we are spending all this money for the enjoyment of others!!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 25 07:46:56 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:46:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Unethical Engine Sellers -ugh!! Message-ID: <00a001c47256$3ec72910$240110ac@VAIO> Reading about several people being recently burned on E-bay purchases reminded me of an engine I purchased at Portland about three years ago. I KNOW, I KNOW, all about buyer beware and all of the other little precautionary statements associated with buying something from a stranger but I guess the human psyche is such that when one engine collector is talking to another we want to believe what the man is telling us is true. How many times have you been told by someone not to turn an engine flywheel over as the valves may be stuck and you can break a rocker arm and there are other reasons you just don't walk up to someone's engine and start jacking it around as we say here in the South. It was the last day I was going to be at Portland and I was making my final round before leaving and I saw a 1-1/4 HP Monitor engine with a pump and pump jack all in tack and it looked pretty good, being an ole vertical engine collector I ask the man about the engine. Now please understand that this engine was setting at the back of his trailer and the flywheel was tied to his trailer frame rails so even if I had wanted to turn the flywheels I could have not without him moving some things out of the way in the trailer, then unstrapping the engine and moving it away from the rail where it was tied. I ask the usual questions; does it run, are there any breaks, cracks or welds and got a resounding "Yes it runs and no there are no CBW's", he went on to tell me this was a great engine. I offered him $100 less than he was asking and he acted like I insulted him and then he went on another tirade telling me what each component was worth, he would tell me what the engine alone was worth, what the pump jack was worth and then what the pump was worth, why he even exclaimed that if I did not believe him I should just ask anyone on the grounds, this engine was a bargain he exclaimed. Being hot, tired and not wanting to further insult this good engineman I told him I would take the engine, I paid him and then while I went and got my truck he and some of his friends un-tied the engine and had it setting on the back end of the trailer when I got there so I could quickly load it up and be on my way which I did. I get the engine home and after a few days of resting and recovering from the Portland experience I decided to go out and see if I could "bust off" the old Monitor and when I turned the flywheel to start it I immediately knew why he had positioned the engine at the back of the trailer and why the flywheel had been tied to the rails....the crankshaft was bent...ugh!!. I am sure that many of you could tell a similar story. With this in mind, and knowing that Portland is just around the corner as well as many other shows, why don't we start a thread on similar experiences we have had buying engines and things that we all should check on an engine before we actually pass the money to the seller. I know that each of us already think we know (and most probably do know) the things to check for such as cracks along the water hopper, in the head, etc, end play, compression leakage by the valves, etc but it might be helpful to some if we would reiterate these things. I use to buy old low end antique cars to restore (Model A's, T's, etc. when I say low end I am talking about their condition not the classis value) and a lot of people would have tons of bondo in rusted areas. I got to where I would carry a little ice box magnet with me and gently rub it around the car and anywhere there was a lot of bondo the magnet would not stick and fall off. Of course if you ask the seller if it had a lot of bondo you usually got the answer, no this old car is solid. What about it gang, someone else share their engine buying experience and impart some timely advice on buying engines to the rest of us. It makes no difference if is seems to obvious to mention, mention it anyway. Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 25 08:02:39 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:02:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fuel saver getting more confusing Message-ID: <00c201c47258$71009a90$240110ac@VAIO> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyndsay Frazer" To: Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 7:30 AM Subject: Fuel saver getting more confusing > > G'day paul, > Sorry it's taken a while to get back to you. As the subject > line suggests things are becoming more confusing each day. On friday I went > to a mates place who has a 12 hp stover of the " Regular Engine Range"(a > beautiful thing it is too). The fuel saver arm on his engine works the same > way that you think yours should ie. the torsion spring holds the arm under > the valve keeper and the tag on the rocker returns it out of the way. This > is all fine except the pic you sent from the guy out west ( which is a type > W stover) obviously is the opposite unless he has reversed the spring or > something. I would have a photo of the type YB one but my friend who owns > that engine for some reason cannot download the photo from his camera to his > PC. It is no good asking me as I only know how to turn the computer on. > He did send me an email though saying that the fuel saver arm > is definately pushed under the valve keeper by the rocker and the spring > does the returning. As I say it is getting confusing. I will see the YB for > myself next weekend and then I will be sure. It seems to me that Stover may > have changed things as they went along. I did have a thought that pushing > the arm against the valve would cause a lot of stress on the stem so it > could be that I am completely wrong in my thinking but the photos tend to > make me think things may have changed between models. If it turns out that I > am wrong I am very sorry( getting old and silly). > > > Cheers, > Lyndsay. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Love Movies? You'll love HomeScreen. Rental DVDs - no late fees! Go to: > http://www.ninemsn.homescreen.com.au/account/freetrial/?.promo=9msn_hotmail_ > tagline > > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Jul 25 08:28:20 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:28:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally In-Reply-To: <1f1.2602fae9.2e351ea5@aol.com> References: <1f1.2602fae9.2e351ea5@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:33:09 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 7/25/2004 10:14:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >adamcottrill at telstra.com writes: > ><< And if you do decide to seek alternate means of coverage so long as it >meets the $10mill requirement you will be most welcome to be a an exhbitor >> > > >Holly Mackerel!!! I would hate to price $10M liability insurance. I thought >the $1M rider was expensive enough. It will come a time that folks will just >keep their stuff at home and let people come to visit provided they sign a >document releasing the land owner from any liability like tripping over a blade >of grass!! Don't forget the relative value of the Australian Dollar to the US Dollar, Tom, but it is still probably $US 5million or so. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Jul 25 08:56:15 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:56:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally References: <1f1.2602fae9.2e351ea5@aol.com> Message-ID: <0efd01c4725f$ec1894b0$0400a8c0@Dave> > Holly Mackerel!!! I would hate to price $10M liability insurance. I thought > the $1M rider was expensive enough. > Tom Schmutz EDGE&TA insurance will cost you only $4.50 for 1M--and that's for the whole year! Dave From adamcottrill at telstra.com Sun Jul 25 01:54:51 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:54:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NR Message-ID: <3a71c43a792f.3a792f3a71c4@email.bigpond.com> Dear Reg, If you change your mind the offer still stands lets talk? As for go back to running it my way??? I think thats a bit unfair. I'll say this however I am a NHMA member I have one vote as do you Reg and every other member in the NHMA. Again I congratulate you on your "Open Comments" and I look forward to many more which I hope you will choose to air. As I mentioned before Reg if there where more people who wherent afriad to say what they think like you Reg and provide a solution and act on it; the world would be a better place and I take my hat off to you. Best regards, Adam From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jul 25 16:52:38 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 19:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally In-Reply-To: <3b049f3ad202.3ad2023b049f@email.bigpond.com> References: <3b049f3ad202.3ad2023b049f@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: Hi Adam, What sort of national law requires $10 mill. insurance? How extensive is this sort of requirement? Just for old engine exhibitors or anyone? For example if I wanted to throw a village picnic would all participants need to have $10 mill. insurance cover? How about buskers (street entertainers)? Do they need the $10 mill. cover? DOes it depend on their act? Mimes and singers, no. Jugglers and accordian players yes? How about automobile liability; $10 mill also? More? Seems a VERY strange national requirement in the absence of abundent evidence of mass carnage at engine rallys. At least with autos on the road there's a huge database of evidence of death and destruction. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA USA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sun, 25 Jul 2004, Adam Cottrill wrote: > Clubs do have a fair and equal chance to co exist as proven by the > examples above so long as they have a minimun of 10mill public liablity > which is now in most states is the min requirement by law. > And if you do decide to seek alternate means of coverage so long as it > meets the $10mill requirement you will be most welcome to be a an > exhbitor and guest at our forth comming rally in March the weekend after > the National. If it doesnt meet the $10mill requirement I assure you > also there are means of allowing you to exhbit and having a great time > at our rally and to that end I extend an invitation to you to visit the > weekend after in March. From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Jul 25 17:46:58 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:46:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally References: <3b049f3ad202.3ad2023b049f@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <002d01c472aa$10672b20$8a63fea9@sweeper> Well done Adam. What you have said puts it into perspective. Ron Page ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 10:55 PM Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally > > "Any independent club has no chance of co existing amicably due to the nature > of the rules re members insurance cover. You are one or the other." > > You missed the point Reg that Orford one of the most popular and fastest growing rallys does not have NHMA affiliation (ok well maybe this says something). Two of its members kindly fund the insurance premium privately so they can run the rally. > > My own club until recently has its own private insurance policy and changed to the National body simply because it was more cost effective $12 per person compared to $2500 a year. > > I also draw your attention to the National Rally Entry form to the section where it asks if do or do not have public liability of $10mill or more, if you dont they offer avenues to obtain it in previous National rallys before Hayfield my club sort to abtain to to meet the requirements of the NHMA as we only had $5mill at the time. > > Clubs do have a fair and equal chance to co exist as proven by the examples above so long as they have a minimun of 10mill public liablity which is now in most states is the min requirement by law. > > Insurance is avalible for this hobby in this country if you can afford it and I see that point being no fault of the NHMA who collectively with its 7000 or so members pay for a insurance policy inexcess of $50,000 per year which gives national coverage. > > I can tell you from personal experience being a saftey officer and checking insurance cards of exhibitors that come to my rally very many have there own private public liability insurance of $10mill and I assure to they are made most welcome and take part in all events and continue to come back year after year. > > Maybe you can suggest to your club Reg seeking alternate insurance providers as it seems from what your saying in regards to your consitution the NHMA doesnt meet your needs of your club I assure you there are companys more than willing to do business contact me off list and I will pass on the contact details. > > And if you do decide to seek alternate means of coverage so long as it meets the $10mill requirement you will be most welcome to be a an exhbitor and guest at our forth comming rally in March the weekend after the National. If it doesnt meet the $10mill requirement I assure you also there are means of allowing you to exhbit and having a great time at our rally and to that end I extend an invitation to you to visit the weekend after in March. > > Kind regards, > Adam > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Jul 25 18:00:05 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:00:05 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally References: <3b049f3ad202.3ad2023b049f@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <004001c472ab$e37d24a0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Arnie Most of our States and local councils require this before you can conduct an event. We have had a number of small events wiped off the books because the clubs are too small to come up with the premiums. This is not just for our hobby. If you wanted to have a public picnic in a park then you would need council approval and meet their requirements. Don't know about buskers. When we register our cars we have what they call COMPULSORY third party insurance for protection. We can also get third party property and also comprehensive insurance but these are personal choice. Ron Page ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally > Hi Adam, > > What sort of national law requires $10 mill. insurance? How extensive is > this sort of requirement? Just for old engine exhibitors or anyone? For > example if I wanted to throw a village picnic would all participants need > to have $10 mill. insurance cover? How about buskers (street > entertainers)? Do they need the $10 mill. cover? DOes it depend on their > act? Mimes and singers, no. Jugglers and accordian players yes? > > How about automobile liability; $10 mill also? More? > > Seems a VERY strange national requirement in the absence of abundent > evidence of mass carnage at engine rallys. At least with autos on the > road there's a huge database of evidence of death and destruction. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA USA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Sun, 25 Jul 2004, Adam Cottrill wrote: > > > Clubs do have a fair and equal chance to co exist as proven by the > > examples above so long as they have a minimun of 10mill public liablity > > which is now in most states is the min requirement by law. > > > > > And if you do decide to seek alternate means of coverage so long as it > > meets the $10mill requirement you will be most welcome to be a an > > exhbitor and guest at our forth comming rally in March the weekend after > > the National. If it doesnt meet the $10mill requirement I assure you > > also there are means of allowing you to exhbit and having a great time > > at our rally and to that end I extend an invitation to you to visit the > > weekend after in March. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Jul 25 19:23:05 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:23:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally Message-ID: <20040725.223512.988.7.jlb94@juno.com> Good Job Reg - Keep us all posted. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 07:47:34 +1000 "Reg & Margaret Ingold" writes: > Here is the reply I have received. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JULIAN PRICE > To: randmingold at hotkey.net.au > Cc: david carter > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 10:31 PM > Subject: Acknowledgement of e-mail > > > Dear Reg, > Your letter of concern has been passed on to me for my > comments, and I can assure you that this letter will be tabled at > our very next committee meeting, as a letter of this nature is a big > concern of ours and as such must be properly addressed. I can > promise you that this letter will receive the attention of all of > our committee members and will be dealt with in a correct manner and > either myself or someone from the committee will be in touch with > you once we have dealt with the issues you have raised. Once again > Reg, thank you for the letter, as it only through this sort of thing > that we can be aware of any problems. > Sincerely > > Julian Price > Senior Coordinator > > P.S It is my intention that every member will have a copy of this > letter, to take home and return with their answers at the following > meeting, with no one knowing what each other has written, as since > the drawing up of the original registration form, so much has > happened, that an entirely different focus on things may be > expected. > Yours etc > JP > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 25 19:43:41 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 19:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show Message-ID: <20040726024341.6890.qmail@web20221.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Folks, Well, things are starting to shape up for this year's badger Steam & Gas Engine Club show. I think it will be a pretty good one. We are going to be joined this year by the Ford/Fordson Collectors for their national show. We are expecting a lot of tractors, this might just be our biggest feature yet. When I heard that the feature was Ford, I asked myself just how many 8N's can a guy look at without getting bored. Then I did a little research and saw some photos from past shows, and I realized how wrong I was. There should be a lot of really unusual variations on Ford and Fordson tractors, tracklayers, half tracks, all sorts of goodies. I am really looking forward to it. I hope I get a chance to get out of the shed long enough to see the show. We have just finished putting up a 50 by 100 foot building that will be our machine shop. It won't be operational for the show, since hanging the lineshaft and getting everything lined up will take a lot of time and head scratching. One of our fellow list members, Jon Rowsam, is doing some repair to the 20 hp Otto that we will use to run the lineshaft. Jon is a good machinist and mechanic, but we don't hear much from him on the list, he would rather work than talk about work! Here is pic of him working on a Ruston at a show a few years ago:http://badgersteamandgas.com/photos/Scan303.jpg Natty dresser, ain't he. I prefer bib overalls and a goofy hat, myself. The Otto should make a nice powerplant to run the shop, and it will be nice to see her working. Other than that, not a great deal of news. We have removed a lot of small trees in the engine area. There will still be lots of shade, but a little thinning was in order. They were pretty scrubby and made getting around with a trailer and truck a little tight at times. One of our members, Mark Beard, has been busy grinding stumps and I think that the guys who exhibit up there will be pretty happy with the results. Also, we have added a bunch of camping spots. All camping is primitive, but the setting is nice and it is convenient. The main improvements to our show grounds are things that no one will really notice, new lawn care equipment, additional electrical service, some maintenance on a few things. These were all things that were needed and will certainly make those of us who take care of the place have an easier time of it. I am working on making some major improvements to the cooling system in the gas shed, adding larger pumps and changing the control logic. This coming Saturday, the 31st, is a work day, and we are going to be doing some cleaning up and moving some junk to make for more exhibitor parking. Funny, when we hauled that stuff in there it SEEMED like it was out of the way! During the show, I would sure welcome some help in the gas engine shed. If you always wanted to play with big engines, this is your chance. The big thing is that we get folks who keep an eye on them and make sure that the water is flowing, there is oil in the oilers and to shut the gas off if something stalls. It is a lot of fun and you get to play with something a little different than what most of us are used to. Here is a link to some photos of the engine shed: http://badgersteamandgas.com/gas_engine_shed.htm A recent addition to our website is a message board. I just put it up the other night, so it hasn't seen much traffic. I am hoping it will help encourage the sharing of information and answering of questions. I would appreciate comments on how to improve it. Here's a link: http://badgersteamandgas.com/phpBB2/ I am told that there will be a list area at this year's show, August 20th, 21st & 22nd. Last year I got to meet Arnie, which was really great, and I hope to meet more listfolk this year! See ya! Joe ===== Joe Prindle Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: www.tznet.com/jprindle Our Club: www.badgersteamandgas.com See Yoo in Baraboo! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Jul 25 19:43:47 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:43:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally References: <3b049f3ad202.3ad2023b049f@email.bigpond.com> <004001c472ab$e37d24a0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: <002901c472ba$60560470$0400a8c0@Dave> > Arnie > Most of our States and local councils require this before you can conduct an > event. We have had a number of small events wiped off the books because the > clubs are too small to come up with the premiums. This is not just for our > hobby. If you wanted to have a public picnic in a park then you would need > council approval and meet their requirements. Don't know about buskers. > When we register our cars we have what they call COMPULSORY third party > insurance for protection. We can also get third party property and also > comprehensive insurance but these are personal choice. > Ron Page Hi Ron, I take for granted all this was done to you by your government AFTER they took away your guns! Dave From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Jul 25 21:35:58 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:35:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally References: <3b049f3ad202.3ad2023b049f@email.bigpond.com><004001c472ab$e37d24a0$8a63fea9@sweeper> <002901c472ba$60560470$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <000901c472ca$0de52da0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Dave The State governments have had this in place for as long as I can remember. I have been registering cars since 1965 and have always had to pay third party insurance. In the case of our area the insurance is about 60% of the registration cost. The guns issue is a relatively recent initiative. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally > > Arnie > > Most of our States and local councils require this before you can conduct > an > > event. We have had a number of small events wiped off the books because > the > > clubs are too small to come up with the premiums. This is not just for > our > > hobby. If you wanted to have a public picnic in a park then you would > need > > council approval and meet their requirements. Don't know about buskers. > > When we register our cars we have what they call COMPULSORY third party > > insurance for protection. We can also get third party property and also > > comprehensive insurance but these are personal choice. > > Ron Page > > Hi Ron, > I take for granted all this was done to you by your government AFTER > they took away your guns! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Jul 25 21:58:41 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:58:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally References: <3b049f3ad202.3ad2023b049f@email.bigpond.com><004001c472ab$e37d24a0$8a63fea9@sweeper> <002901c472ba$60560470$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <000901c472cd$3956aba0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Dave, I think your timeframe is a little off. First they insured there were nothing but ewes and wethers in the country. At that point they took the guns. Next logical step is smoking, and old engines smoke. Must have done a pride cut on Reg cause he still has enough to try. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally > > Arnie > > Most of our States and local councils require this before you can conduct > an > > event. We have had a number of small events wiped off the books because > the > > clubs are too small to come up with the premiums. This is not just for > our > > hobby. If you wanted to have a public picnic in a park then you would > need > > council approval and meet their requirements. Don't know about buskers. > > When we register our cars we have what they call COMPULSORY third party > > insurance for protection. We can also get third party property and also > > comprehensive insurance but these are personal choice. > > Ron Page > > Hi Ron, > I take for granted all this was done to you by your government AFTER > they took away your guns! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From adamcottrill at telstra.com Sun Jul 25 05:27:14 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:27:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Cost Message-ID: <3a8d483ae57c.3ae57c3a8d48@email.bigpond.com> Guys, Im told the national rally is going to cost $300,000 to run lets give the organisers some help in bringing this cost down? Cheers, Adam From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Jul 25 23:27:42 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:27:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally In-Reply-To: References: <3b049f3ad202.3ad2023b049f@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 19:52:38 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Hi Adam, > >What sort of national law requires $10 mill. insurance? How extensive is >this sort of requirement? Just for old engine exhibitors or anyone? For >example if I wanted to throw a village picnic would all participants need >to have $10 mill. insurance cover? How about buskers (street >entertainers)? Do they need the $10 mill. cover? DOes it depend on their >act? Mimes and singers, no. Jugglers and accordian players yes? Our engine club has ?5,000,000 liability insurance, individually, for its members, that is the going rate now if you want to exhibit in the UK. That equates to: $US 9,174,500 or $AU 12,932,418 >How about automobile liability; $10 mill also? More? Unlimited in the UK for 3rd party accidents IIRC. >Seems a VERY strange national requirement in the absence of abundent >evidence of mass carnage at engine rallys. At least with autos on the >road there's a huge database of evidence of death and destruction. Yes, I have to agree with you, Arnie, but it is a requirement and we are now in the era of the 'ambulance-chasers' and lawyers who offer to pursue liability claims for almost any kind of accident or incidient, however small. Litigation is what is going to kill the small rallies as they sink below the paperwork, regulations and insurance premiums. Unfortunately while we have inherited these things from overseas, we haven't inherited their relatively low premiums for insurance cover! >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Mon Jul 26 00:37:50 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:37:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Collection - Gilbertsville, NY Message-ID: <1hc9g09blp2bbk54dhhkd8jbgdmanrunmm@4ax.com> Is there anyone in the Gilbertsville, NY area that could collect a couple of Homelite gennies for us and hold them for a while? Thes are the two-stroke models with 120V 400Hz AC alternators on. They are bolted on a pallet, & paid for but the vendor seems to have had problems with the shipping arrangements, so we need to collect them from him and have a rethink. Vendor can assist with loading. All travelling expenses etc paid for, of course! :-)) Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Jul 26 03:54:32 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:54:32 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show Message-ID: <072620041054.14915.13a7@mchsi.com> Hi Joe, Looks like I might beable to come up for workday and was wondering if we could rope off The "SEL List" turf back in the timber area as we previously talked last month? Curt Andree > Hi Folks, > Well, things are starting to shape up for this year's badger Steam & Gas > Engine Club show. I think it will be a pretty good one. We are going to be > joined this year by the Ford/Fordson Collectors for their national show. > We are expecting a lot of tractors, this might just be our biggest feature > yet. When I heard that the feature was Ford, I asked myself just how many > 8N's can a guy look at without getting bored. Then I did a little research > and saw some photos from past shows, and I realized how wrong I was. There > should be a lot of really unusual variations on Ford and Fordson tractors, > tracklayers, half tracks, all sorts of goodies. I am really looking > forward to it. I hope I get a chance to get out of the shed long enough to > see the show. > We have just finished putting up a 50 by 100 foot building that will be > our machine shop. It won't be operational for the show, since hanging the > lineshaft and getting everything lined up will take a lot of time and head > scratching. One of our fellow list members, Jon Rowsam, is doing some > repair to the 20 hp Otto that we will use to run the lineshaft. Jon is a > good machinist and mechanic, but we don't hear much from him on the list, > he would rather work than talk about work! Here is pic of him working on a > Ruston at a show a few years > ago:http://badgersteamandgas.com/photos/Scan303.jpg > Natty dresser, ain't he. I prefer bib overalls and a goofy hat, myself. > The Otto should make a nice powerplant to run the shop, and it will be > nice to see her working. > Other than that, not a great deal of news. We have removed a lot of small > trees in the engine area. There will still be lots of shade, but a little > thinning was in order. They were pretty scrubby and made getting around > with a trailer and truck a little tight at times. One of our members, Mark > Beard, has been busy grinding stumps and I think that the guys who exhibit > up there will be pretty happy with the results. Also, we have added a > bunch of camping spots. All camping is primitive, but the setting is nice > and it is convenient. > The main improvements to our show grounds are things that no one will > really notice, new lawn care equipment, additional electrical service, > some maintenance on a few things. These were all things that were needed > and will certainly make those of us who take care of the place have an > easier time of it. I am working on making some major improvements to the > cooling system in the gas shed, adding larger pumps and changing the > control logic. > This coming Saturday, the 31st, is a work day, and we are going to be > doing some cleaning up and moving some junk to make for more exhibitor > parking. Funny, when we hauled that stuff in there it SEEMED like it was > out of the way! > During the show, I would sure welcome some help in the gas engine shed. If > you always wanted to play with big engines, this is your chance. The big > thing is that we get folks who keep an eye on them and make sure that the > water is flowing, there is oil in the oilers and to shut the gas off if > something stalls. It is a lot of fun and you get to play with something a > little different than what most of us are used to. Here is a link to some > photos of the engine shed: > http://badgersteamandgas.com/gas_engine_shed.htm > A recent addition to our website is a message board. I just put it up the > other night, so it hasn't seen much traffic. I am hoping it will help > encourage the sharing of information and answering of questions. I would > appreciate comments on how to improve it. > Here's a link: > http://badgersteamandgas.com/phpBB2/ > I am told that there will be a list area at this year's show, August 20th, > 21st & 22nd. Last year I got to meet Arnie, which was really great, and I > hope to meet more listfolk this year! > See ya! > Joe > > ===== > Joe Prindle > Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist > See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: > www.tznet.com/jprindle > Our Club: > www.badgersteamandgas.com > See Yoo in Baraboo! > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jul 26 04:51:44 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:51:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Unethical Engine Sellers/engine buying References: <00a001c47256$3ec72910$240110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <4104F050.5090707@imc-group.com> Paul, I've gotten in the habit of buying engines with the nod of approval from a fellow engine buddy. In the excitement of buying an engine it is easy to overlook an item on your mental checklist of things that can be wrong with an engine. So when I find an engine at a show I'll ask a buddy to look it over with me first before I make an offer. The reciprocal is true too. A well known collector asked me to look over a Massey Harris engine he had the hots for at Portland this spring. He was ready to buy it but asked me to check it out first. I went thru the whole check list and was rotating the flywheels and discovered the crankshaft was bent. As soon as he saw it he was no long interested. This fellow has bought thousands of engines in his years in the engine hobby and knew exactly what to check for. But we all have mental lapses in the heat of the moment. It always helps to have a buddy who can add a non-biased, levelheaded assessment of engine before you whip out the cash. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: >I get the engine home and after a few days of resting and recovering from >the Portland experience I decided to go out and see if I could "bust off" >the old Monitor and when I turned the flywheel to start it I immediately >knew why he had positioned the engine at the back of the trailer and why the >flywheel had been tied to the rails....the crankshaft was bent...ugh!!. I am >sure that many of you could tell a similar story. > > > From falcon at telenet.net Mon Jul 26 05:31:01 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:31:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Collection - Gilbertsville, NY References: <1hc9g09blp2bbk54dhhkd8jbgdmanrunmm@4ax.com> Message-ID: <005c01c4730c$6a155040$c41117d1@net.telenet.net> About how tall are they on the pallet? Under 39" ? Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 3:37 AM Subject: [SEL] Collection - Gilbertsville, NY > Is there anyone in the Gilbertsville, NY area that could collect a couple of > Homelite gennies for us and hold them for a while? Thes are the two-stroke > models with 120V 400Hz AC alternators on. > > They are bolted on a pallet, & paid for but the vendor seems to have had > problems with the shipping arrangements, so we need to collect them from him and > have a rethink. Vendor can assist with loading. > > All travelling expenses etc paid for, of course! :-)) > > Peter > > -- > Peter & Rita Forbes > diesel at easynet.co.uk > Engine pages for preservation info: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From andyglines at hotmail.com Mon Jul 26 05:36:22 2004 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:36:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: trailer plans Message-ID: >Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:41:56 -0500 >From: "Paul Maples" >Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Trailer Plans >To: "Stationary Engine List" >Message-ID: <001301c470e4$beb76180$d2f70cd1 at VAIO> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >My Grandson's FFA Teacher just contacted me and ask me if I by any chance >had any plans for building a 5' X 12' trailer with loading ramps. She is >getting ready for this year's FFA Projects and my Grandson is going to be >on >the Trailer Build Team. The teacher was aware that I had hundreds of plans >but most of them are woodworking plans. > >Do any of you guys are gals have any plans you could donate to the Searcy >High School FFA program? > >Thought it was worth the effort to ask. > >Thanks, > >Paul They should consider borrowing a trailer and copying it. Not only will you get a lesson on how to build something they will get to do some reverse engineering. The class can take the measurements and make inprovements or refinements to the original manufacturers design. Reverse engineer will be a good skill to have on the farm. When a replacement part has to be made there won't be plans available. _________________________________________________________________ Planning a family vacation? Check out the MSN Family Travel guide! http://dollar.msn.com From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Jul 26 05:49:01 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:49:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? References: <200407241317.i6ODH3wf042750@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <002901c4730e$ef793150$4609a4cb@km> G'Day Patrick As Peter said depends where you live, remember most Americans only know the world ends on the East coast on one side and the West coast on the other, no offence intended. In OZ I think the other way round now that P Knight has articles in TOMM, but you have all forgotten the one and only (thank goodness), known and loved by engine woman all over the world, unliked by his club and the NHMA, a body that no one would want, and there is more! old no knee's, model guru, world traveller. after all that I have forgotten his name 8-)) Kerry > Hi Arnie, > Probably the two most recognizable 'international' names in Oz would > have to be C.H. Wendel as there would be few who do not have his book. The > other would be Patrick Knight as a lot of people have his A-Z of British > engines and he is a regular contributor to TOMM. > Patrick > From prepair at easynet.co.uk Mon Jul 26 06:25:47 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:25:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Collection - Gilbertsville, NY In-Reply-To: <005c01c4730c$6a155040$c41117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <1hc9g09blp2bbk54dhhkd8jbgdmanrunmm@4ax.com> <005c01c4730c$6a155040$c41117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:31:01 -0400, you wrote: >About how tall are they on the pallet? Under 39" ? > >Steve Williams >Near Cooperstown NY I'd have thought that they would be well under that, Steve, these are the small Homelite two-cycle engine genny sets that a few of the list guys have in their collections, but I haven't got a height readily available. I have the vendor's phone number on my home PC (I'm at work now) so I can email you his number later unless one of the other guys can confirm a height for us. I'd guess less than 24" myself. Thanks, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Jul 26 06:29:34 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:29:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gas tank holdown Message-ID: Howdy all; Looking for any information/pix's regarding the gas tank holdown on a 1910 5hp Galloway Sawrig. Evidence shows a previously installed 1" band around the circumference halfway up the tank. This tank is 12" in dia. and ~ 16" high with a coned top. Evidence also shows 4 holes in the top of the frame rails, just outside the circumference. TIA RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From jhcullom at adelphia.net Mon Jul 26 07:34:50 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:34:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gas tank holdown References: Message-ID: <010b01c4731d$b5446220$6401a8c0@john> Hi Rick, Don't know if I've showed you this before, but here's what was on mine. Little tabs that were soldered in places around the bottom of the tank, which were secured to the base with screws. Here they are.... http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/tab1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/tab2.jpg Hope this helps, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" > Looking for any information/pix's regarding the gas tank holdown on a 1910 > 5hp Galloway Sawrig. Evidence shows a previously installed 1" band around > the circumference halfway up the tank. This tank is 12" in dia. and ~ 16" > high with a coned top. Evidence also shows 4 holes in the top of the frame > rails, just outside the circumference. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 26 08:20:51 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland - Unethical Engine Sellers/engine buying In-Reply-To: <4104F050.5090707@imc-group.com> References: <00a001c47256$3ec72910$240110ac@VAIO> <4104F050.5090707@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, That bit of advice is soooo important. In addition to providing a dispassionate assessment of the condition of the engine, I think it also helps to get a "sanity check" on the price. This is probably even more important at an auction where the passion to own the engine can also be fired by "auction fever." As the old wheeze goes... "Been there, done that, and now own an EXPENSIVE lump of iron." See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, Curt Holland wrote: > I've gotten in the habit of buying engines with the nod of approval from > a fellow engine buddy. In the excitement of buying an engine it is easy > to overlook an item on your mental checklist of things that can be wrong > with an engine. So when I find an engine at a show I'll ask a buddy to > look it over with me first before I make an offer. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 26 08:39:01 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally In-Reply-To: <004001c472ab$e37d24a0$8a63fea9@sweeper> References: <3b049f3ad202.3ad2023b049f@email.bigpond.com> <004001c472ab$e37d24a0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: Hi Ron, Thanks, but that didn't answer my question. Is the $10 mill. insurance cover required for EVERYTHING? A church tea & crumpet social for example; or is just old engine rallys? And with regard to auto insurance, my question was not is it required, but is the minimum at the $10 mill. level, more, less? What I find so incredibly shocking is the disparity between risk and coverage. I think you lot have allowed the insurance lobby to do to Oz what the trial lawyer lobby has done to the US. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA USA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, Ron Page wrote: > Most of our States and local councils require this before you can conduct an > event. We have had a number of small events wiped off the books because the > clubs are too small to come up with the premiums. This is not just for our > hobby. If you wanted to have a public picnic in a park then you would need > council approval and meet their requirements. Don't know about buskers. > > When we register our cars we have what they call COMPULSORY third party > insurance for protection. We can also get third party property and also > comprehensive insurance but these are personal choice. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > > > > What sort of national law requires $10 mill. insurance? How extensive is > > this sort of requirement? Just for old engine exhibitors or anyone? For > > example if I wanted to throw a village picnic would all participants need > > to have $10 mill. insurance cover? How about buskers (street > > entertainers)? Do they need the $10 mill. cover? DOes it depend on their > > act? Mimes and singers, no. Jugglers and accordian players yes? > > > > How about automobile liability; $10 mill also? More? > > > > Seems a VERY strange national requirement in the absence of abundent > > evidence of mass carnage at engine rallys. At least with autos on the > > road there's a huge database of evidence of death and destruction. From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 26 10:00:15 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:00:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <019901c47332$067d4ad0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> >>I think you lot have allowed the insurance lobby to do to Oz what the trial lawyer lobby has done to the US.<< And the "need" for such insurance is because of the lawyers following ambulances around telling people they should sue for all they can. Of course the insurance industry doesn't mind the business, either........ Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:39 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally Hi Ron, Thanks, but that didn't answer my question. Is the $10 mill. insurance cover required for EVERYTHING? A church tea & crumpet social for example; or is just old engine rallys? And with regard to auto insurance, my question was not is it required, but is the minimum at the $10 mill. level, more, less? What I find so incredibly shocking is the disparity between risk and coverage. I think you lot have allowed the insurance lobby to do to Oz what the trial lawyer lobby has done to the US. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA USA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, Ron Page wrote: > Most of our States and local councils require this before you can > conduct an event. We have had a number of small events wiped off the > books because the clubs are too small to come up with the premiums. > This is not just for our hobby. If you wanted to have a public picnic > in a park then you would need council approval and meet their > requirements. Don't know about buskers. > > When we register our cars we have what they call COMPULSORY third > party insurance for protection. We can also get third party property > and also comprehensive insurance but these are personal choice. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > > > > What sort of national law requires $10 mill. insurance? How > > extensive is this sort of requirement? Just for old engine > > exhibitors or anyone? For example if I wanted to throw a village > > picnic would all participants need to have $10 mill. insurance > > cover? How about buskers (street entertainers)? Do they need the > > $10 mill. cover? DOes it depend on their act? Mimes and singers, > > no. Jugglers and accordian players yes? > > > > How about automobile liability; $10 mill also? More? > > > > Seems a VERY strange national requirement in the absence of abundent > > evidence of mass carnage at engine rallys. At least with autos on > > the road there's a huge database of evidence of death and > > destruction. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 26 10:26:11 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:26:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally In-Reply-To: <000901c472ca$0de52da0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: <01a001c47335$a71eefe0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> >>the insurance is about 60% of the registration costthe insurance is about 60% of the registration cost<, I wish MY auto insurance was about 60% of the registration cost! Either I'd have cheap insurance, or my registration costs would skyrocket. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Page Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 11:36 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally Dave The State governments have had this in place for as long as I can remember. I have been registering cars since 1965 and have always had to pay third party insurance. In the case of our area the insurance is about 60% of the registration cost. The guns issue is a relatively recent initiative. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally > > Arnie > > Most of our States and local councils require this before you can conduct > an > > event. We have had a number of small events wiped off the books > > because > the > > clubs are too small to come up with the premiums. This is not just > > for > our > > hobby. If you wanted to have a public picnic in a park then you > > would > need > > council approval and meet their requirements. Don't know about > > buskers. When we register our cars we have what they call COMPULSORY > > third party insurance for protection. We can also get third party > > property and also comprehensive insurance but these are personal > > choice. Ron Page > > Hi Ron, > I take for granted all this was done to you by your government > AFTER they took away your guns! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 26 12:04:28 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:04:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Unethical Engine Sellers/engine buying References: <00a001c47256$3ec72910$240110ac@VAIO> <4104F050.5090707@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <006c01c47343$61e16120$240110ac@VAIO> Good advise Curt, thanks. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Unethical Engine Sellers/engine buying > Paul, > I've gotten in the habit of buying engines with the nod of approval from > a fellow engine buddy. In the excitement of buying an engine it is easy > to overlook an item on your mental checklist of things that can be wrong > with an engine. So when I find an engine at a show I'll ask a buddy to > look it over with me first before I make an offer. The reciprocal is > true too. A well known collector asked me to look over a Massey Harris > engine he had the hots for at Portland this spring. He was ready to buy > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Jul 26 13:04:31 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:04:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT-1 Message-ID: <20040726.160613.248.7.jlb94@juno.com> Hey Guys - Today I took the crank cover off my Stover CT-1 and am going to replace the oil gaskets. While cleaning up the surfaces, I realized that I've done this several times and it always seems to leak pretty bad. It's almost like it's foolish to try sealing it up. I have gaskets which are cork - and the felt that goes over the bearing caps and between the cover and housing. The felt doesn't seem to be much more than carpet padding. I could pretty much guarantee that when I 'm done it's going to leak no matter how hard I try to seal it up. The surfaces are in good shape and no cracks or welds. How about some opinions as to what methods to use to insure a leak-proof seal ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jrowland3 at neo.rr.com Mon Jul 26 13:28:30 2004 From: jrowland3 at neo.rr.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:28:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Progress Report References: Message-ID: <008101c4734f$1da3c820$a4291941@neo.rr.com> Thanks everyone involved with the ATIS Charity Auction. The Tod Engine Foundation was a recipient of $400 which is certainly going to be put to use shortly! I called our rigging outfit this morning and he plans to get started Wednesday on moving five of the large Tod Engine parts from Girard to the museum site. I've been waiting it seems like an eternity to get this phase of the project underway, and it looks like it may finally happen. This will be a big day for the Tod Engine Foundation and I plan to take many many photos and place them on our webshots page. More updates as work progresses. Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Foundation 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Stationary Rolling Mill Engine Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark Youngstown, OH www.todengine.org From diesel at easynet.co.uk Mon Jul 26 13:31:16 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:31:16 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT-1 In-Reply-To: <20040726.160613.248.7.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20040726.160613.248.7.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:04:31 -0400, you wrote: >How about some opinions as to what methods to use to insure a leak-proof >seal ? > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. What are the breathing arrangements, Joe ? That piston whizzing in and out is going to cause pressure pulses in the enclosed area which will tend to blow oil out at every gap. Reminds me of the big F-M at Mount Wilson, that had a veritable gale blowing in and out of the two breather covers when the engine was running, as both pistons went up and down together. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jul 26 02:14:21 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:14:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Cost References: <3a8d483ae57c.3ae57c3a8d48@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <000201c47357$85aa5c60$5e111bd3@athlon> How? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 10:27 PM Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Cost > > Guys, > Im told the national rally is going to cost $300,000 to run lets give the organisers some help in bringing this cost down? > > Cheers, > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at the-i.net Mon Jul 26 15:58:37 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:58:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Cost References: <3a8d483ae57c.3ae57c3a8d48@email.bigpond.com> <000201c47357$85aa5c60$5e111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <016701c47364$1776c500$07905841@oemcomputer> > How? > > > Guys, > > Im told the national rally is going to cost $300,000 to run lets give > the organisers some help in bringing this cost down? Open the books regarding the expense accounts . I just went through mine again and made money by not spending it anymore . This is what I was thinking when you made the request to pare the 300k down Man , that is a lot of bread....... aint it ? From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Jul 26 16:20:10 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:20:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally References: <3b049f3ad202.3ad2023b049f@email.bigpond.com><004001c472ab$e37d24a0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: <003901c47367$190a7d00$8a63fea9@sweeper> Hi Arnie Sorry I did not explain it properly but if you want to hold a public function most counncil will want you to have $10 mill coverage and as for the motor vehicle third party insurance no upper sum is provided - they generally have a schedule for certain things like like for loss of arms, legs, etc however you can go to court and try and get more. Others in the field may be more familiar with the technicalities. As for your last comment the lawyers in Oz have certainly copied the US model and this has subsequently put pressure on the insurance companies although it is appearing that "personal accountability" is being recognised by the courts. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally > Hi Ron, > > Thanks, but that didn't answer my question. Is the $10 mill. insurance > cover required for EVERYTHING? A church tea & crumpet social for example; > or is just old engine rallys? And with regard to auto insurance, my > question was not is it required, but is the minimum at the $10 mill. > level, more, less? What I find so incredibly shocking is the disparity > between risk and coverage. I think you lot have allowed the insurance > lobby to do to Oz what the trial lawyer lobby has done to the US. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA USA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, Ron Page wrote: > > > Most of our States and local councils require this before you can conduct an > > event. We have had a number of small events wiped off the books because the > > clubs are too small to come up with the premiums. This is not just for our > > hobby. If you wanted to have a public picnic in a park then you would need > > council approval and meet their requirements. Don't know about buskers. > > > > When we register our cars we have what they call COMPULSORY third party > > insurance for protection. We can also get third party property and also > > comprehensive insurance but these are personal choice. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Arnie Fero" > > > > > > What sort of national law requires $10 mill. insurance? How extensive is > > > this sort of requirement? Just for old engine exhibitors or anyone? For > > > example if I wanted to throw a village picnic would all participants need > > > to have $10 mill. insurance cover? How about buskers (street > > > entertainers)? Do they need the $10 mill. cover? DOes it depend on their > > > act? Mimes and singers, no. Jugglers and accordian players yes? > > > > > > How about automobile liability; $10 mill also? More? > > > > > > Seems a VERY strange national requirement in the absence of abundent > > > evidence of mass carnage at engine rallys. At least with autos on the > > > road there's a huge database of evidence of death and destruction. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon Jul 26 16:41:03 2004 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:41:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT-1 References: <20040726.160613.248.7.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <002301c4736a$0551efc0$24b74004@dslverizon.net> A real good point Peter. I have a 4 HP Cushman Binder engine which is a real oil slinger. I was able to make a big reduction by making a check valve for the crankcase breather. Lets air out but does not let it in. This keeps the crankcase pressure slightly negative and stopped a lot of the oil seeping out everywhere. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA, U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover CT-1 > On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:04:31 -0400, you wrote: > > >How about some opinions as to what methods to use to insure a leak-proof > >seal ? > > > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > What are the breathing arrangements, Joe ? That piston whizzing in and out is > going to cause pressure pulses in the enclosed area which will tend to blow oil > out at every gap. > > Reminds me of the big F-M at Mount Wilson, that had a veritable gale blowing in > and out of the two breather covers when the engine was running, as both pistons > went up and down together. > > Peter > > -- > Peter & Rita Forbes > diesel at easynet.co.uk > Engine pages for preservation info: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jfaust at mfi.net Mon Jul 26 16:07:35 2004 From: jfaust at mfi.net (Joe Faust) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:07:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] what color? Message-ID: <006b01c47365$58386ac0$23cc7d41@jfaust> I am in the process of restoring an ALPHA Delaval milking machine engine. Who knows what the originga color was? It seems there are traces of olive drab, but I don't want to make a mistake. Joe F From yostsw at atis.net Tue Jul 27 05:32:09 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:32:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] List outage References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200> <200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200> <200406231816100593.1B13A373@192.168.2.200> <200406241145380078.1ED4722F@192.168.2.200> <200406241734500359.201437E1@192.168.2.200> <200407061438370953.14B4E57A@192.168.2.200> <200407092231060171.026123B2@192.168.2.200> <200407191134280218.038A5E84@192.168.2.200> <200407222152040656.1183F39A@192.168.2.200> <200407231622570453.157CFE16@192.168.2.200> <200407231757210109.002E2606@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> Message-ID: <200407270832090468.03C195F4@heavyiron.atis.net> Starting sometime yesterday evening, the SPAM prevention service I am using stopped forwarding ATIS mail to us. I have a call into them and will keep you folks updated if the repair seems to take a while. For now however, no mail is coming in. Thanks for your patience, Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From bboyce at swat.coop Mon Jul 26 18:48:56 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:48:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update Message-ID: <000c01c4737b$e12f6d90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> after several letters and several months, i finally got a reply from kansas city southern railroad today,,,, got a call from the head of the bridge dept at the shreveport office,,,,evidently, someone from higher up had forwarded one of my letters to him and told him to check into it,,, his words to me were " i think you've gotten the attention of one of the big guys",,,,, so, maybe my letter to mr. haverty, the ceo in kansas city did find its way to his desk......... the guy i talked to today was very cordial and sounded very positive ,,,,,, he didnt know there was an engine still at that location, but said he would go to the location tomorrw and look it over,,,,,, his last words were " i really think that i;ll be able to give you a call back and tell you to come get it",,,,,,,,, so, i guess we'll see,,,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 26 20:04:50 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:04:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Cost In-Reply-To: <000201c47357$85aa5c60$5e111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <003c01c47386$80785c40$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Shop around for suppliers, cut out unnecessary crap. How would YOU budget YOUR money if you lost your job for nearly 2 years? You learn not to spend when you don't NEED to, and to shop for better deals rather than buying the first thing you see. And it's always easy to spend money that is not your own - sort of like politicians....... Organizers don't always see a need to "budget" if they can make more by simply raising prices (taxes?) Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Reg & Margaret Ingold Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 4:14 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Cost How? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 10:27 PM Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Cost > > Guys, > Im told the national rally is going to cost $300,000 to run lets > give the organisers some help in bringing this cost down? > > Cheers, > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Jul 26 20:14:27 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 05:14:27 +0200 Subject: [SEL] HMT 2004 pics Message-ID: <000701c47387$d3c50460$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Put some pictures together to see for y'all, taken at our HMT show last weekend. It was its 25th anniversary and they gave us a brass plaque of 5lbs. We had good weather overall. Pics can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/historischfestival2004.htm John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From rexhinz at chorus.net Sat Jul 24 15:30:28 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 17:30:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Govenor weight springs References: <001801c4710d$26ea0140$6286a5d8@rex> <002c01c471c8$03c29c20$07905841@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000e01c471cd$d5a34d20$2486a5d8@rex> Thanks for the help Alan & Chuck , the engine is now running at a safe speed around 500 rpm and I'm less worried about things flying apart , didn't mean to ruin a chaukboard but I thought I would ask the Pro's , as I just got started in the hobby and I thought good advice is better than a poke in the dark. Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Govenor weight springs > can anyonr tell me how to replace the govenor weight springs on my > > simplicity 1.5 Hp .? , not as to where they go but to find the right > springs > >>. > How do I adjust them when I replace them ? trial and > > error > > > or is there a formula ? > > > Yes there is , but I cant think why , for the life of me , you would need to > mess up prefectly clean chalkboard for this one . > You need to find some rather light gauge springs. A smaller gauge than what > it had will usually do . THe hdw store variety > bend and cut to any length or shape you want (that's shorther) then set them > all the way out and get started , starting your motor . > It isnt hard at all . If it stays latched out and never hits again tighten > up the screw , shorten the spring or put a heavier one . > loosening and tightening the screw most manuf's put for the spring to hook > into is normally sufficient . > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From skipl at montana.com Mon Jul 26 20:38:34 2004 From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:38:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show References: <072620041054.14915.13a7@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <4105CE3A.5EEF19FC@montana.com> curt, what ever happened to the fellow that wanted the edwards crankshaft? skip cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Hi Joe, > Looks like I might beable to come up for workday and was wondering if we could > rope off The "SEL List" turf back in the timber area as we previously talked > last month? > Curt Andree > > Hi Folks, > > Well, things are starting to shape up for this year's badger Steam & Gas > > Engine Club show. I think it will be a pretty good one. We are going to be > > joined this year by the Ford/Fordson Collectors for their national show. > > We are expecting a lot of tractors, this might just be our biggest feature > > yet. When I heard that the feature was Ford, I asked myself just how many > > 8N's can a guy look at without getting bored. Then I did a little research > > and saw some photos from past shows, and I realized how wrong I was. There > > should be a lot of really unusual variations on Ford and Fordson tractors, > > tracklayers, half tracks, all sorts of goodies. I am really looking > > forward to it. I hope I get a chance to get out of the shed long enough to > > see the show. > > We have just finished putting up a 50 by 100 foot building that will be > > our machine shop. It won't be operational for the show, since hanging the > > lineshaft and getting everything lined up will take a lot of time and head > > scratching. One of our fellow list members, Jon Rowsam, is doing some > > repair to the 20 hp Otto that we will use to run the lineshaft. Jon is a > > good machinist and mechanic, but we don't hear much from him on the list, > > he would rather work than talk about work! Here is pic of him working on a > > Ruston at a show a few years > > ago:http://badgersteamandgas.com/photos/Scan303.jpg > > Natty dresser, ain't he. I prefer bib overalls and a goofy hat, myself. > > The Otto should make a nice powerplant to run the shop, and it will be > > nice to see her working. > > Other than that, not a great deal of news. We have removed a lot of small > > trees in the engine area. There will still be lots of shade, but a little > > thinning was in order. They were pretty scrubby and made getting around > > with a trailer and truck a little tight at times. One of our members, Mark > > Beard, has been busy grinding stumps and I think that the guys who exhibit > > up there will be pretty happy with the results. Also, we have added a > > bunch of camping spots. All camping is primitive, but the setting is nice > > and it is convenient. > > The main improvements to our show grounds are things that no one will > > really notice, new lawn care equipment, additional electrical service, > > some maintenance on a few things. These were all things that were needed > > and will certainly make those of us who take care of the place have an > > easier time of it. I am working on making some major improvements to the > > cooling system in the gas shed, adding larger pumps and changing the > > control logic. > > This coming Saturday, the 31st, is a work day, and we are going to be > > doing some cleaning up and moving some junk to make for more exhibitor > > parking. Funny, when we hauled that stuff in there it SEEMED like it was > > out of the way! > > During the show, I would sure welcome some help in the gas engine shed. If > > you always wanted to play with big engines, this is your chance. The big > > thing is that we get folks who keep an eye on them and make sure that the > > water is flowing, there is oil in the oilers and to shut the gas off if > > something stalls. It is a lot of fun and you get to play with something a > > little different than what most of us are used to. Here is a link to some > > photos of the engine shed: > > http://badgersteamandgas.com/gas_engine_shed.htm > > A recent addition to our website is a message board. I just put it up the > > other night, so it hasn't seen much traffic. I am hoping it will help > > encourage the sharing of information and answering of questions. I would > > appreciate comments on how to improve it. > > Here's a link: > > http://badgersteamandgas.com/phpBB2/ > > I am told that there will be a list area at this year's show, August 20th, > > 21st & 22nd. Last year I got to meet Arnie, which was really great, and I > > hope to meet more listfolk this year! > > See ya! > > Joe > > > > ===== > > Joe Prindle > > Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist > > See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: > > www.tznet.com/jprindle > > Our Club: > > www.badgersteamandgas.com > > See Yoo in Baraboo! > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 26 20:47:42 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:47:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT (way OT!) advice on how to sell business needed Message-ID: <004401c4738c$799e4e10$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Since there are so many great minds out here, thought I would ask this group. I know there are doctors, mechanics, judges and heaven forbid, probably even lawyers out here. Time to sell - wife wants to get back to normal life. We've done this for 5.5 years and it's time to move on. She wants to sell the quilt store. Running it was easy compared to what it seems to take to sell. Anyone know how to value the thing and how to go about it - or more importantly, how to NOT go about it? Anyone know what SDCF and/or EBITDA cash flow are and how to get to that? It's been successful, it's paid its own way and has survived competition and economic downturn but we want our time back! So what do we do - or not do? Bill Runnells, Iowa, USA "and tho my race was thought immune, Themselves they did consume. So be warned, or be mourned tomorrow" From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jul 26 15:38:31 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:38:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT-1 References: <20040726.160613.248.7.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <003901c473b8$0a49c540$d7111bd3@athlon> There is a one way breather on top of the cover. If that aint working you will slop oil. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 6:04 AM Subject: [SEL] Stover CT-1 > Hey Guys - > Today I took the crank cover off my Stover CT-1 and am going to replace > the oil gaskets. > While cleaning up the surfaces, I realized that I've done this several > times and it always > seems to leak pretty bad. It's almost like it's foolish to try sealing > it up. > > I have gaskets which are cork - and the felt that goes over the bearing > caps and between the cover and housing. The felt doesn't seem to be > much more than carpet padding. > > I could pretty much guarantee that when I 'm done it's going to leak no > matter how hard I try to seal it up. > > The surfaces are in good shape and no cracks or welds. > > How about some opinions as to what methods to use to insure a leak-proof > seal ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease - > \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Jul 27 06:43:35 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:43:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test References: <004301c463b5$12ea6c80$bd2dee18@ptdprolog.net> Message-ID: <006801c473df$b76d2060$3a6f29cb@oemcomputer> EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francis jr" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 9:56 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Certified virus free. From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jul 26 18:16:21 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:16:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally References: <3b049f3ad202.3ad2023b049f@email.bigpond.com><004001c472ab$e37d24a0$8a63fea9@sweeper> <003901c47367$190a7d00$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: <01f701c47377$53ef7140$0400a8c0@Dave> > Hi Arnie > Sorry I did not explain it properly but if you want to hold a public > function most counncil will want you to have $10 mill coverage and as for > the motor vehicle third party insurance no upper sum is provided - they > generally have a schedule for certain things like like for loss of arms, > legs, etc however you can go to court and try and get more. Others in the > field may be more familiar with the technicalities. As for your last > comment the lawyers in Oz have certainly copied the US model and this has > subsequently put pressure on the insurance companies although it is > appearing that "personal accountability" is being recognised by the courts. > Ron Was this all after they disarmed you poor bastards? Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jul 27 09:49:42 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update In-Reply-To: <000c01c4737b$e12f6d90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> References: <000c01c4737b$e12f6d90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: Hey Bill, YEE HAW!!! What excellent news! First we get a post from RIck Rowlands on progress with the Tod Engine and now this!! Obviously keep us informed (and don't forget your camera). Now wasn't there another of these "bridge engines" that a list member was chasing? Arkansas maybe....? And while we're having a great engine day, maybe we'll soon be hearing a great story from Paul Evans in Wales? 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, Bill Boyce wrote: > after several letters and several months, i finally got a reply from kansas city southern railroad today,,,, got a call from the head of the bridge dept at the shreveport office,,,,evidently, someone from higher up had forwarded one of my letters to him and told him to check into it,,, his words to me were " i think you've gotten the attention of one of the big guys",,,,, so, maybe my letter to mr. haverty, the ceo in kansas city did find its way to his desk......... > the guy i talked to today was very cordial and sounded very positive ,,,,,, he didnt know there was an engine still at that location, but said he would go to the location tomorrw and look it over,,,,,, his last words were " i really think that i;ll be able to give you a call back and tell you to come get it",,,,,,,,, From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jul 27 10:06:41 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] HMT 2004 pics In-Reply-To: <000701c47387$d3c50460$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> References: <000701c47387$d3c50460$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Hi John, WOW! Great show with some really unusual engines. That 5 hp Bauman; is that an exhaust preheater for the mixer? http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/Baumanheadview.jpg Do you by any chance have the S/N and owner's info for the Benz and Lorenz? Please email me off-list if you do, Thanks. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/Benz3-4hp.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/Lorenz5hp.jpg See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA USA fero_ah at city-net.com On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, John Hammink wrote: > Put some pictures together to see for y'all, taken at our > HMT show last weekend. It was its 25th anniversary > and they gave us a brass plaque of 5 lbs. We had good > weather overall. Pics can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/historischfestival2004.htm From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Jul 27 11:23:02 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:23:02 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Cumbria Steam Fair Message-ID: <002501c47406$cb21c3f0$06856ad5@one> We had our yearly weekend in the Lake District. One good day & one wet, cold & windy. I have posted some pictures at http://community.webshots.com/album/167571610Nkxrin I managed a few unusual pictures such as steam ploughing with an atomic reactor in the background. Also a picture of a helicopter just over a ploughing engine. Someone had made a good job of sectioning a Lister D. My wife thinks this years plaque is the best ever, weighing two pounds of brass.(See Fred picture) Dave Croft Warrington England http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv British Map http://pub32.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=2692147218 World Map http://pub13.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=1064374771 From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 27 13:58:10 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:58:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <000c01c4737b$e12f6d90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <005401c4741c$6e7c4240$240110ac@VAIO> Hey Bill I have one of these engines spotted in an old Railroad Trestle about 5 miles from me. If you have any success let me know and I will follow the same part you went. I will not do anything now as it might interfere with what you are doing. If you go after the engine let me know how you plan to do this, I am curious how you plan on getting it off of the bridge trestle. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Boyce" To: "stationary engine list" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 8:48 PM Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update after several letters and several months, i finally got a reply from kansas city southern railroad today,,,, got a call from the head of the bridge dept at the shreveport office,,,,evidently, someone from higher up had forwarded one of my letters to him and told him to check into it,,, his words to me were " i think you've gotten the attention of one of the big guys",,,,, so, maybe my letter to mr. haverty, the ceo in kansas city did find its way to his desk......... the guy i talked to today was very cordial and sounded very positive ,,,,,, he didnt know there was an engine still at that location, but said he would go to the location tomorrw and look it over,,,,,, his last words were " i really think that i;ll be able to give you a call back and tell you to come get it",,,,,,,,, so, i guess we'll see,,,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From asouth at strato.net Tue Jul 27 14:08:10 2004 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur & Deana Southwell) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:08:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <000c01c4737b$e12f6d90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <005901c4741e$92978160$0100a8c0@emachine> Good Luck Bill. Arthur Southwell asouth at strato.net Arcadia, FL From alanb2 at webtv.net Tue Jul 27 14:59:52 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:59:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Govenor weight springs In-Reply-To: "Rex Hinz" 's message of Sat, 24 Jul 2004 17:30:28 -0500 Message-ID: <28736-4106D058-513@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net> Hi Rex, I'm guessing you found some lighter springs,,,,, I try to keep a supply of them around and I take them to shows. Note to self,,, Go dig through the box of mixed springs that the hardware store sells cheap. It looks like I will be taking a 1918 1-1/2hp Hercules E to the Buckley show along with a bunch of parts and see it she will speak up after approx. 75 years of silence. I expect I will need a lighter spring for the gov. A couple years ago when I took my barn fresh 1928 Herc. S to Buckley and fired her up I just happened to have the perfect spring in the bag. My engine buddy suggested I just cut off part of the original spring. I just pulled out a bag of springs,,,,,,, Well,,, I better get off here and go start grinding on a FBM rod end-cap to make it fit the Herc's con-rod. That's tonight's project. Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan ~~~~~~Rex?Hinz wrote~~~~~ Thanks for the help Alan & Chuck , the engine is now running at a safe speed around 500 rpm and I'm less worried about things flying apart , didn't mean to ruin a chaukboard but I thought I would ask the Pro's , as I just got started in the hobby and I thought good advice is better than a poke in the dark. Rex From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Jul 27 16:15:38 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:15:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally References: <3b049f3ad202.3ad2023b049f@email.bigpond.com><004001c472ab$e37d24a0$8a63fea9@sweeper><003901c47367$190a7d00$8a63fea9@sweeper> <01f701c47377$53ef7140$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <002a01c4742f$a11688b0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Hi Dave Short answer - No. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally > > Hi Arnie > > Sorry I did not explain it properly but if you want to hold a public > > function most counncil will want you to have $10 mill coverage and as for > > the motor vehicle third party insurance no upper sum is provided - they > > generally have a schedule for certain things like like for loss of arms, > > legs, etc however you can go to court and try and get more. Others in the > > field may be more familiar with the technicalities. As for your last > > comment the lawyers in Oz have certainly copied the US model and this has > > subsequently put pressure on the insurance companies although it is > > appearing that "personal accountability" is being recognised by the > courts. > > Ron > > Was this all after they disarmed you poor bastards? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Jul 27 15:29:59 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:29:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Cost References: <003c01c47386$80785c40$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <007001c47434$1ed4cb00$14111bd3@athlon> I really would like to see a full breakdown of these costs. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > Guys, > > Im told the national rally is going to cost $300,000 to run lets > > give > the organisers some help in bringing this cost down? > > > > Cheers, > > Adam From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Tue Jul 27 11:45:08 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:45:08 +0200 Subject: [SEL] what color? References: <006b01c47365$58386ac0$23cc7d41@jfaust> Message-ID: <004801c47409$da1d56a0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Joe, For what it's worth: I used Dupont Centari , "bottle green" number G0398. It's hard to say what's the original color, but IMO I'm not far of. You can see a few pictures at here: http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/delaval.htm I think the last picture comes close on how it looks in real. I can send you a picture if you like. Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Faust" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 1:07 AM Subject: [SEL] what color? I am in the process of restoring an ALPHA Delaval milking machine engine. Who knows what the originga color was? It seems there are traces of olive drab, but I don't want to make a mistake. Joe F _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Jul 27 17:11:26 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:11:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update In-Reply-To: <000c01c4737b$e12f6d90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> References: <000c01c4737b$e12f6d90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: WOO-HOOOO! John On Jul 26, 2004, at 9:48 PM, Bill Boyce wrote: > the guy i talked to today was very cordial and sounded very positive > ,,,,,, he didnt know there was an engine still at that location, but > said he would go to the location tomorrw and look it over,,,,,, his > last words were " i really think that i;ll be able to give you a call > back and tell you to come get it",,,,,,,,, John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 27 17:26:17 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show In-Reply-To: <072620041054.14915.13a7@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20040728002617.54997.qmail@web20224.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Curt, We really can't rope anything prior to Sunday, August 15th. There is still some stump grinding and hole filling to be done up in that area and there is at least one more trip through there with the lawn mower, probably on the 14th. Another problem is that if we start reserving or roping this soon, the land rush will be on and we really do not want that. We have had major problems with that in the past and we really have to hold firm on 1:00 pm on August 15th as the very earliest that a rope can go up. If showing up on the 15th to do the roping yourself is going to prove to be inconvenient, you are more than welcome to come up this weekend and show me where you want to set up the list area. If you show me exactly where you want it, I can be reasonably sure that you will get it. I will be heading up the gang roping off that portion of the grounds, so we could be standing there with ropes and stakes ready when the little hand is on 1 and the big one on 12! The roping is usually fun, we hook a trailer behind the little L Oil Pull and pile it full of stuff and head out and do it. There is usually a fair amount of kidding around involved and it only takes 4 or 5 hours to get it done. How many folks are we expecting from the list to be setting up in that area? I hope that Dave brings some of his maytag artwork, I know one guy who will have a coniption fit (or a sh!t hemmorage) when he sees that.... Let me know what you want to do about the roping, I will do all I can to help you but we just can't put anything up any earlier than the 15th. Joe --- cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Hi Joe, > Looks like I might beable to come up for workday and was wondering if we > could > rope off The "SEL List" turf back in the timber area as we previously > talked > last month? > Curt Andree ===== Joe Prindle Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: www.tznet.com/jprindle Our Club: www.badgersteamandgas.com See Yoo in Baraboo! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Jul 27 17:13:58 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:13:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update Message-ID: <20040727.203424.788.1.jlb94@juno.com> Good News Bill - Sounds Positive Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:48:56 -0500 "Bill Boyce" writes: > after several letters and several months, i finally got a reply from > kansas city southern railroad today,,,, got a call from the head of > the bridge dept at the shreveport office,,,,evidently, someone from > higher up had forwarded one of my letters to him and told him to > check into it,,, his words to me were " i think you've gotten the > attention of one of the big guys",,,,, so, maybe my letter to mr. > haverty, the ceo in kansas city did find its way to his > desk......... > the guy i talked to today was very cordial and sounded very positive > ,,,,,, he didnt know there was an engine still at that location, but > said he would go to the location tomorrw and look it over,,,,,, his > last words were " i really think that i;ll be able to give you a > call back and tell you to come get it",,,,,,,,, > so, i guess we'll see,,,,, > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 27 17:38:13 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:38:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040728003813.27683.qmail@web20223.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Bill, Good Luck! If there turns out to be an engine there and you can get it, you are going to have quite a story for GEM, and quite a story to tell folks when you show the engine! When someone says "What did it do?", you are going to be ready with one heck of an answer for them. Yes sir, that is a once in a lifetime opportunity and I realy hope that your string of good luck continues! Between now and the time that the phone rings, how ya gonna sleep? Joe ===== Joe Prindle Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: www.tznet.com/jprindle Our Club: www.badgersteamandgas.com See Yoo in Baraboo! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Tue Jul 27 18:04:52 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:04:52 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Best known name etc Message-ID: <20040728010452.46742.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> G'day All ROTFL - Kerry, I'm Buggered if I can recall what his name is as well. I do know he tries hard to please everybody, but I sure hope he doesn't get pissed off with the crap and take up lawn bowls instead! Ha Ha Ha Good one! Graham in Oz From: "Kerry" Subject: Re: [SEL] Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? To: "The SEL email discussion list" Message-ID: <002901c4730e$ef793150$4609a4cb at km> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" G'Day Patrick As Peter said depends where you live, remember most Americans only know the world ends on the East coast on one side and the West coast on the other, no offence intended. In OZ I think the other way round now that P Knight has articles in TOMM, but you have all forgotten the one and only (thank goodness), known and loved by engine woman all over the world, unliked by his club and the NHMA, a body that no one would want, and there is more! old no knee's, model guru, world traveller. after all that I have forgotten his name 8-)) Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From canuckiron at wightman.ca Tue Jul 27 21:40:08 2004 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:40:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Pump Question Message-ID: <41072E27.77046E62@wightman.ca> Hi All, I was offered a piston pump recently. It is far bigger than the one you would find on a residential well with a flywheel that is probably 18" or so. The inlet and outlet pipes are are about 1 1/2" NPT. The unit is at least four to five feet long and built by McDougall. My question is, what kind of HP would be needed to run this thing? If I can use it at a show, fine. If not, I will take a pass on this one. Thoughts??? Thanks, Duncan -- Duncan and Sandy Denman Ayton, Ontario, Canada Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca Visit our Home Page at: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Jul 28 03:12:04 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:12:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show Message-ID: <072820041012.10698.8e6@mchsi.com> No problem Joe with not roping until 1:00 on 15th of August. I didn't know what you ment by work party this weekend. Doesn't look like much in the way of local shows this weekend so may just make a roady and helpyou where I can. Not sure about the evil one bringing his "maytag artwork" yet. Iam sure knowing that motley crew (Dave & Arnie) they will bring alot of JOY to all spectators. Not sure about how many off the list will actually be attending yet. Will keep you posted though. thanks for all your help, Curt > Hi Curt, > We really can't rope anything prior to Sunday, August 15th. There is still > some stump grinding and hole filling to be done up in that area and there > is at least one more trip through there with the lawn mower, probably on > the 14th. > Another problem is that if we start reserving or roping this soon, the > land rush will be on and we really do not want that. We have had major > problems with that in the past and we really have to hold firm on 1:00 pm > on August 15th as the very earliest that a rope can go up. > If showing up on the 15th to do the roping yourself is going to prove to > be inconvenient, you are more than welcome to come up this weekend and > show me where you want to set up the list area. If you show me exactly > where you want it, I can be reasonably sure that you will get it. I will > be heading up the gang roping off that portion of the grounds, so we could > be standing there with ropes and stakes ready when the little hand is on 1 > and the big one on 12! The roping is usually fun, we hook a trailer behind > the little L Oil Pull and pile it full of stuff and head out and do it. > There is usually a fair amount of kidding around involved and it only > takes 4 or 5 hours to get it done. > How many folks are we expecting from the list to be setting up in that > area? I hope that Dave brings some of his maytag artwork, I know one guy > who will have a coniption fit (or a sh!t hemmorage) when he sees that.... > Let me know what you want to do about the roping, I will do all I can to > help you but we just can't put anything up any earlier than the 15th. > Joe > --- cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > Looks like I might beable to come up for workday and was wondering if we > > could > > rope off The "SEL List" turf back in the timber area as we previously > > talked > > last month? > > Curt Andree > > > ===== > Joe Prindle > Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist > See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: > www.tznet.com/jprindle > Our Club: > www.badgersteamandgas.com > See Yoo in Baraboo! > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Jul 28 03:32:22 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:32:22 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show Message-ID: <072820041032.13630.3c2d@mchsi.com> Skip Landis he still wants the edwards parts...will contact you off list. Curt > curt, what ever happened to the fellow that wanted the edwards crankshaft? > skip > > cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > Looks like I might beable to come up for workday and was wondering if we could > > rope off The "SEL List" turf back in the timber area as we previously talked > > last month? > > Curt Andree > > > Hi Folks, > > > Well, things are starting to shape up for this year's badger Steam & Gas > > > Engine Club show. I think it will be a pretty good one. We are going to be > > > joined this year by the Ford/Fordson Collectors for their national show. > > > We are expecting a lot of tractors, this might just be our biggest feature > > > yet. When I heard that the feature was Ford, I asked myself just how many > > > 8N's can a guy look at without getting bored. Then I did a little research > > > and saw some photos from past shows, and I realized how wrong I was. There > > > should be a lot of really unusual variations on Ford and Fordson tractors, > > > tracklayers, half tracks, all sorts of goodies. I am really looking > > > forward to it. I hope I get a chance to get out of the shed long enough to > > > see the show. > > > We have just finished putting up a 50 by 100 foot building that will be > > > our machine shop. It won't be operational for the show, since hanging the > > > lineshaft and getting everything lined up will take a lot of time and head > > > scratching. One of our fellow list members, Jon Rowsam, is doing some > > > repair to the 20 hp Otto that we will use to run the lineshaft. Jon is a > > > good machinist and mechanic, but we don't hear much from him on the list, > > > he would rather work than talk about work! Here is pic of him working on a > > > Ruston at a show a few years > > > ago:http://badgersteamandgas.com/photos/Scan303.jpg > > > Natty dresser, ain't he. I prefer bib overalls and a goofy hat, myself. > > > The Otto should make a nice powerplant to run the shop, and it will be > > > nice to see her working. > > > Other than that, not a great deal of news. We have removed a lot of small > > > trees in the engine area. There will still be lots of shade, but a little > > > thinning was in order. They were pretty scrubby and made getting around > > > with a trailer and truck a little tight at times. One of our members, Mark > > > Beard, has been busy grinding stumps and I think that the guys who exhibit > > > up there will be pretty happy with the results. Also, we have added a > > > bunch of camping spots. All camping is primitive, but the setting is nice > > > and it is convenient. > > > The main improvements to our show grounds are things that no one will > > > really notice, new lawn care equipment, additional electrical service, > > > some maintenance on a few things. These were all things that were needed > > > and will certainly make those of us who take care of the place have an > > > easier time of it. I am working on making some major improvements to the > > > cooling system in the gas shed, adding larger pumps and changing the > > > control logic. > > > This coming Saturday, the 31st, is a work day, and we are going to be > > > doing some cleaning up and moving some junk to make for more exhibitor > > > parking. Funny, when we hauled that stuff in there it SEEMED like it was > > > out of the way! > > > During the show, I would sure welcome some help in the gas engine shed. If > > > you always wanted to play with big engines, this is your chance. The big > > > thing is that we get folks who keep an eye on them and make sure that the > > > water is flowing, there is oil in the oilers and to shut the gas off if > > > something stalls. It is a lot of fun and you get to play with something a > > > little different than what most of us are used to. Here is a link to some > > > photos of the engine shed: > > > http://badgersteamandgas.com/gas_engine_shed.htm > > > A recent addition to our website is a message board. I just put it up the > > > other night, so it hasn't seen much traffic. I am hoping it will help > > > encourage the sharing of information and answering of questions. I would > > > appreciate comments on how to improve it. > > > Here's a link: > > > http://badgersteamandgas.com/phpBB2/ > > > I am told that there will be a list area at this year's show, August 20th, > > > 21st & 22nd. Last year I got to meet Arnie, which was really great, and I > > > hope to meet more listfolk this year! > > > See ya! > > > Joe > > > > > > ===== > > > Joe Prindle > > > Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist > > > See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: > > > www.tznet.com/jprindle > > > Our Club: > > > www.badgersteamandgas.com > > > See Yoo in Baraboo! > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Jul 28 03:53:46 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:53:46 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show Message-ID: <072820041053.16800.22ce@mchsi.com> Who all will be attending Baraboo show? Trying to get a a head count so Joe Prindle and I can figure out how much turf we need to ropeoff. I also have one room left available at a local motel still available before I have to cancel the reserveration. Let me know, Curt Andree From adamcottrill at telstra.com Wed Jul 28 04:16:33 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:16:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Nat Rally Costs Message-ID: <43316343123a.43123a433163@email.bigpond.com> Hi Bill, Great suggestion and points I will be sure to pass this on to the organisers when I talk to them over the next few days well done and thanks so much for your efforts. I hope we can see some more. Reg, a media release is currently being drafted which I believe will address the issue of cost and other comments made both here on the list and other places about the National, mean while Reg your suggestions on how to offset the costs are still most welcome and I look forward to seeing them....... watch this space.... Kind regards, Adam From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jul 28 04:42:02 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:42:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Nat Rally Costs In-Reply-To: <43316343123a.43123a433163@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <200407281142.i6SBg49D095708@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi Adam, I hope there is some positive and informative news on the costs of the rally and general info on the rally. I know of a number of collectors in this part of Oz who have been looking at the distance and the cost and may only just go down for a look if they go at all. It would be sad if a lot of nice engines did not make the trip. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Bill, Great suggestion and points I will be sure to pass this on to the organisers when I talk to them over the next few days well done and thanks so much for your efforts. I hope we can see some more. Reg, a media release is currently being drafted which I believe will address the issue of cost and other comments made both here on the list and other places about the National, mean while Reg your suggestions on how to offset the costs are still most welcome and I look forward to seeing them....... watch this space.... Kind regards, Adam From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Jul 28 08:21:51 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:21:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Pump Question Message-ID: <20040728.112502.1156.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Duncan, Nice Find. With inlet & outlet being 1=" - I don't think it would take much to work it. Probably a 2 HP T/G would do well. By "Flywheel" I assume you mean "pulley". Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:40:08 -0700 Duncan Denman writes: > Hi All, > > I was offered a piston pump recently. It is far bigger than the one > you > would find on a residential well with a flywheel that is probably > 18" or > so. The inlet and outlet pipes are are about 1 1/2" NPT. The unit is > at > least four to five feet long and built by McDougall. My question > is, > what kind of HP would be needed to run this thing? If I can use it > at a > show, fine. If not, I will take a pass on this one. > Thoughts??? > > Thanks, > Duncan > > -- > Duncan and Sandy Denman > Ayton, Ontario, Canada > Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca > Visit our Home Page at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ > Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 28 08:53:40 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:53:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pump Question In-Reply-To: <20040728.112502.1156.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <012a01c474bb$1c4f4540$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Ya, a small engine will run that one. Think of it - a centrifugal pump with 2" pipes and a 1.5 hp Lauson TG will run it. Also a "mud pump" with 3" pipes and a 1.5hp Fairbanks TG will run it - granted, it's geared down, but it sure kicks out a bunch of H2O when it's on the downstroke. I'd think a common engine 1.5 to 3 hp would run that thing nicely for display - the purpose being not to move 10,000 gph but to make a nice display pumping any amount. Go for it. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 10:22 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Pump Question Hi Duncan, Nice Find. With inlet & outlet being 1=" - I don't think it would take much to work it. Probably a 2 HP T/G would do well. By "Flywheel" I assume you mean "pulley". Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:40:08 -0700 Duncan Denman writes: > Hi All, > > I was offered a piston pump recently. It is far bigger than the one > you > would find on a residential well with a flywheel that is probably > 18" or > so. The inlet and outlet pipes are are about 1 1/2" NPT. The unit is > at > least four to five feet long and built by McDougall. My question > is, > what kind of HP would be needed to run this thing? If I can use it > at a > show, fine. If not, I will take a pass on this one. > Thoughts??? > > Thanks, > Duncan > > -- > Duncan and Sandy Denman > Ayton, Ontario, Canada > Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca > Visit our Home Page at: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ > Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From christison at coastalnet.com Wed Jul 28 10:35:24 2004 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:35:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Pump Question References: <20040728.112502.1156.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <004e01c474c9$450f5de0$0100a8c0@mshome.net> Duncan, Here is a Myers catalog page showing a setup like you describe: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/myers/page25.jpg Take care. Ken > what kind of HP would be needed to run this thing? If I can use it > at a > > show, fine. If not, I will take a pass on this one. > > Thoughts??? > > > > Thanks, > > Duncan > > > > -- > > Duncan and Sandy Denman > > Ayton, Ontario, Canada > > Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Jul 28 11:40:57 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:40:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT- Bit of ebay trickery Message-ID: Posted to stationary engine/model engineering newsgroups, Oldengine.org and Atis (SEL) I post this as a warning to everyone about a clever bit of skullduggery that came our way today. Received an email, purporting to be from ebay, regarding an alleged breach of security and fraudulent use of my ebay account and user name. The email asked me to sign in and confirm my details and to fill in all the blanks on the form I would come to. So far, a pretty ordinary scam email, but the clever bit is to come: The url for signing in was the same as the normal ebay one, together with https:// at the front to show a secure signing in link. If you clicked on the link you would come to the standard ebay page with boxes for user name and password, and presumably further on it would ask you to confirm your credit card details etc etc: https://signin.ebay.com/saw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?SignIn&UsingSSL=1 The url was in fact a graphic, not straight text, and if you held the mouse pointer over it, a different url would show up, with an IP address in the far east. So if you clicked normally you wouldn't see the different address, which was: http://211.252.9.126/.secure/safeharbor.verify.ebay.com/login.php That IP is in the APNIC (Asia Pacific Network Information Centre) area, and I tracked it down to a School in South Korea. It was a very clever bit of fraud, and one that me scratching my head for a while as I waiting for ebay to confirm it was a fraudulent email, which they did within 20 minutes. I didn't go to the url, I just reported it to ebay and then starting looking at how they did the switch of url's. You have all been warned! :-)) Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Jul 28 11:55:41 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:55:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present Message-ID: Hi Everybody, I picked up two new engines a couple weeks ago at an auction near Battle Creek, Michigan. About a week before the auction I showed the listing to my wife Shirley. They happened to have an Economy 7hp on a drop frame cart with a buzz rig listed. One of Shirley's favorite engines is an Economy. She made a comment on how it would be nice to have a bigger Economy than the 5hp that we already have. I informed her of the auctioneers web site that has a picture of the buzz rig. Once she saw the picture of it she said that it really looked pretty and she wanted me to take a couple pictures of the buzz rig while I was at the auction. For the next several days, prior to the auction, I heard several times a day that the engine was a pretty engine, how much she liked Economy's, it would be neat to have a bigger one, and on and on. Every day I heard this. Not really having the room to store it and the extra money to buy it I just wrote it off and figured I'd take some pictures for her. Our tandem axle trailer that I usually haul stuff on is loaded for shows this year with a couple engines belted to a couple big blowers already all bolted down. So I just took the truck to the auction. Well, on the way to the auction I remembered her birthday was coming up in a few weeks and didn't know what to get her. The buzz rig would make a great birthday gift I figured. But no where to put it and no way to haul it home. I ended up bidding on the buzz rig and was the high bidder. I also picked up a Galloway 5hp with a round connecting rod. I had the Galloway loaded up into the truck and asked the owners about storing the Economy and buzz rig for a couple weeks until I could come back down and get it. They said they would push it into the fence row and I could cover it up. During the drive home that didn't set well with me so when I got back in town I stopped and rented a Uhaul trailer. I wanted to surprise Shirley with the buzz rig sitting in the front yard when she got home from work on her birthday, but it was a few weeks away and she would have the bank statement by then, nowhere to hide the buzz rig, and I would have to take time off of work to pick it up without her knowing. So I thought some more and this is what I did. I got home and told Shirley about the Galloway I bought and a bunch of other junk that I picked up really cheap (sometimes I do get a bunch of junk to haul to the scrapyard for trading material). Told her I got a drag, some disks, scrap iron, and a drop frame cart for the Economy (the one we already have, but I didn't say that. just a drop frame cart for the Economy). I told her that the stuff needed to be removed by this evening and wondered if she wanted to go back down there with me. She decided to go to help me load the junk because she had nothing else to do. So my daughter Brooklynn and I unloaded the Galloway then all three of us headed back down to the auction site. On the way she asked how much the buzz rig sold for and I told her that I didn't remember as there were so many engines there. I did tell her I took a few pictures though and she could see the pictures later. When we got there there weren't many people left and the tents that some of the stuff was under had the sides all closed in with tarps. I suggested looking in the tents to see what was leftover and she could maybe see a few of the nice engines that they had there to sell. There were a few tractors we were looking at and back in the corner of the tent was the buzz rig. I said, "oh look, they didn't pick up the buzz rig yet and you can atleast get to see it in person." She was so excited. She walked up to it looked it over and said, "it is so beautiful and alot better than the picture, someone got a nice engine, this is really nice." I said, "yep someone did get a nice engine, happy birthday." She paused for a few seconds and said, "WHAT?" So I said, "happy birthday." The look on her face was priceless. Saying that she was excited is an understatement. She was certainly surprised. We loaded it up and headed home. The next morning we unloaded it then headed to church. After church and lunch I had it running and she was very satisfied. I was too, it runs really nice. She doesn't want very many engines that she sees, but this is a nice one. Thought some of you would enjoy reading about it. Pictures of the engines are here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/sawrig/sawrig.html http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/galloway/galloway.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jul 28 11:50:42 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT- Bit of ebay trickery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ahhhhh, one more of the subtle benefits of using a no mouse needed, text-based email reader instead of a gooey-graphic one. 8-)) On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Peter A Forbes wrote: > I post this as a warning to everyone about a clever bit of skullduggery that > came our way today. > The url was in fact a graphic, not straight text, and if you held the mouse > pointer over it, a different url would show up, with an IP address in the far > east. So if you clicked normally you wouldn't see the different address, which > was: From solarrog at pacbell.net Wed Jul 28 12:08:00 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:08:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present References: Message-ID: <009b01c474d6$33e0a440$33687343@solar> Great story, Keep her happy, she will keep you happy. (or at least put up with you) lol Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:55 AM Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > Hi Everybody, > > I picked up two new engines a couple weeks ago at an auction near Battle > Creek, Michigan. About a week before the auction I showed the listing to my > wife Shirley. They happened to have an Economy 7hp on a drop frame cart with > a buzz rig listed. One of Shirley's favorite engines is an Economy. She > made a comment on how it would be nice to have a bigger Economy than the 5hp > that we already have. I informed her of the auctioneers web site that has a > picture of the buzz rig. Once she saw the picture of it she said that it > really looked pretty and she wanted me to take a couple pictures of the buzz > rig while I was at the auction. For the next several days, prior to the > auction, I heard several times a day that the engine was a pretty engine, > how much she liked Economy's, it would be neat to have a bigger one, and on > and on. Every day I heard this. Not really having the room to store it and > the extra money to buy it I just wrote it off and figured I'd take some > pictures for her. > > Our tandem axle trailer that I usually haul stuff on is loaded for shows > this year with a couple engines belted to a couple big blowers already all > bolted down. So I just took the truck to the auction. Well, on the way to > the auction I remembered her birthday was coming up in a few weeks and > didn't know what to get her. The buzz rig would make a great birthday gift I > figured. But no where to put it and no way to haul it home. I ended up > bidding on the buzz rig and was the high bidder. I also picked up a Galloway > 5hp with a round connecting rod. I had the Galloway loaded up into the truck > and asked the owners about storing the Economy and buzz rig for a couple > weeks until I could come back down and get it. They said they would push it > into the fence row and I could cover it up. During the drive home that > didn't set well with me so when I got back in town I stopped and rented a > Uhaul trailer. > > I wanted to surprise Shirley with the buzz rig sitting in the front yard > when she got home from work on her birthday, but it was a few weeks away and > she would have the bank statement by then, nowhere to hide the buzz rig, and > I would have to take time off of work to pick it up without her knowing. So > I thought some more and this is what I did. > > I got home and told Shirley about the Galloway I bought and a bunch of other > junk that I picked up really cheap (sometimes I do get a bunch of junk to > haul to the scrapyard for trading material). Told her I got a drag, some > disks, scrap iron, and a drop frame cart for the Economy (the one we already > have, but I didn't say that. just a drop frame cart for the Economy). I told > her that the stuff needed to be removed by this evening and wondered if she > wanted to go back down there with me. She decided to go to help me load the > junk because she had nothing else to do. So my daughter Brooklynn and I > unloaded the Galloway then all three of us headed back down to the auction > site. On the way she asked how much the buzz rig sold for and I told her > that I didn't remember as there were so many engines there. I did tell her I > took a few pictures though and she could see the pictures later. > > When we got there there weren't many people left and the tents that some of > the stuff was under had the sides all closed in with tarps. I suggested > looking in the tents to see what was leftover and she could maybe see a few > of the nice engines that they had there to sell. There were a few tractors > we were looking at and back in the corner of the tent was the buzz rig. I > said, "oh look, they didn't pick up the buzz rig yet and you can atleast get > to see it in person." She was so excited. She walked up to it looked it over > and said, "it is so beautiful and alot better than the picture, someone got > a nice engine, this is really nice." I said, "yep someone did get a nice > engine, happy birthday." She paused for a few seconds and said, "WHAT?" So I > said, "happy birthday." The look on her face was priceless. Saying that she > was excited is an understatement. She was certainly surprised. We loaded it > up and headed home. The next morning we unloaded it then headed to church. > After church and lunch I had it running and she was very satisfied. I was > too, it runs really nice. She doesn't want very many engines that she sees, > but this is a nice one. Thought some of you would enjoy reading about it. > Pictures of the engines are here: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/sawrig/sawrig.html > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/galloway/galloway.html > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > _________________________________________________________________ > Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jul 28 11:58:48 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Luke, WOW, GREAT story!! I think you should send it to Richard (with high quality pics) for consideration as a GEM article!! BTW, well done on the b'day pressie!! Between you and Dolly this might get to be a regular SEL occurrence. 8-)) On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > I said, "yep someone did get a nice > engine, happy birthday." She paused for a few seconds and said, "WHAT?" So I > said, "happy birthday." The look on her face was priceless. Saying that she > was excited is an understatement. She was certainly surprised. We loaded it > up and headed home. The next morning we unloaded it then headed to church. > After church and lunch I had it running and she was very satisfied. I was > too, it runs really nice. She doesn't want very many engines that she sees, > but this is a nice one. Thought some of you would enjoy reading about it. > Pictures of the engines are here: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/sawrig/sawrig.html From bboyce at swat.coop Wed Jul 28 12:18:59 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:18:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present References: Message-ID: <005201c474d7$bcbb5200$6401a8c0@BillyBob> what a great story, Luke !!!! good job !!! bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 1:55 PM Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > Hi Everybody, > > I picked up two new engines a couple weeks ago at an auction near Battle > Creek, Michigan. About a week before the auction I showed the listing to my > wife Shirley. They happened to have an Economy 7hp on a drop frame cart with > a buzz rig listed. One of Shirley's favorite engines is an Economy. She > made a comment on how it would be nice to have a bigger Economy than the 5hp > that we already have. I informed her of the auctioneers web site that has a > picture of the buzz rig. Once she saw the picture of it she said that it > really looked pretty and she wanted me to take a couple pictures of the buzz > rig while I was at the auction. For the next several days, prior to the > auction, I heard several times a day that the engine was a pretty engine, > how much she liked Economy's, it would be neat to have a bigger one, and on > and on. Every day I heard this. Not really having the room to store it and > the extra money to buy it I just wrote it off and figured I'd take some > pictures for her. > > Our tandem axle trailer that I usually haul stuff on is loaded for shows > this year with a couple engines belted to a couple big blowers already all > bolted down. So I just took the truck to the auction. Well, on the way to > the auction I remembered her birthday was coming up in a few weeks and > didn't know what to get her. The buzz rig would make a great birthday gift I > figured. But no where to put it and no way to haul it home. I ended up > bidding on the buzz rig and was the high bidder. I also picked up a Galloway > 5hp with a round connecting rod. I had the Galloway loaded up into the truck > and asked the owners about storing the Economy and buzz rig for a couple > weeks until I could come back down and get it. They said they would push it > into the fence row and I could cover it up. During the drive home that > didn't set well with me so when I got back in town I stopped and rented a > Uhaul trailer. > > I wanted to surprise Shirley with the buzz rig sitting in the front yard > when she got home from work on her birthday, but it was a few weeks away and > she would have the bank statement by then, nowhere to hide the buzz rig, and > I would have to take time off of work to pick it up without her knowing. So > I thought some more and this is what I did. > > I got home and told Shirley about the Galloway I bought and a bunch of other > junk that I picked up really cheap (sometimes I do get a bunch of junk to > haul to the scrapyard for trading material). Told her I got a drag, some > disks, scrap iron, and a drop frame cart for the Economy (the one we already > have, but I didn't say that. just a drop frame cart for the Economy). I told > her that the stuff needed to be removed by this evening and wondered if she > wanted to go back down there with me. She decided to go to help me load the > junk because she had nothing else to do. So my daughter Brooklynn and I > unloaded the Galloway then all three of us headed back down to the auction > site. On the way she asked how much the buzz rig sold for and I told her > that I didn't remember as there were so many engines there. I did tell her I > took a few pictures though and she could see the pictures later. > > When we got there there weren't many people left and the tents that some of > the stuff was under had the sides all closed in with tarps. I suggested > looking in the tents to see what was leftover and she could maybe see a few > of the nice engines that they had there to sell. There were a few tractors > we were looking at and back in the corner of the tent was the buzz rig. I > said, "oh look, they didn't pick up the buzz rig yet and you can atleast get > to see it in person." She was so excited. She walked up to it looked it over > and said, "it is so beautiful and alot better than the picture, someone got > a nice engine, this is really nice." I said, "yep someone did get a nice > engine, happy birthday." She paused for a few seconds and said, "WHAT?" So I > said, "happy birthday." The look on her face was priceless. Saying that she > was excited is an understatement. She was certainly surprised. We loaded it > up and headed home. The next morning we unloaded it then headed to church. > After church and lunch I had it running and she was very satisfied. I was > too, it runs really nice. She doesn't want very many engines that she sees, > but this is a nice one. Thought some of you would enjoy reading about it. > Pictures of the engines are here: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/sawrig/sawrig.html > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/galloway/galloway.html > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > _________________________________________________________________ > Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Jul 28 12:21:02 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:21:02 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT- Bit of ebay trickery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5qufg094ehtiot93jp6icj6p1fjfs4o844@4ax.com> On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:50:42 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Ahhhhh, one more of the subtle benefits of using a no mouse needed, >text-based email reader instead of a gooey-graphic one. 8-)) > >On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Peter A Forbes wrote: > >> I post this as a warning to everyone about a clever bit of skullduggery that >> came our way today. Yes indeed, although I originally first saw the email at work using the easynet web-based email service, where its HTML showed up almost normally, but viewing the source gives the game away, the first url is what does the dirty work the second url is what you see on-screen:- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ href="http://211.252.9.126/.secure/safeharbor.verify.ebay.com/login.php"> https://signin.ebay.com/saw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?SignIn&UsingSSL=1
> (To complete the verification process you must fill in all the required ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Jul 28 12:20:04 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:20:04 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT- Bit of ebay trickery Message-ID: <78.5cc86c56.2e395664@aol.com> In a message dated 7/28/2004 11:43:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, diesel at easynet.co.uk writes: It was a very clever bit of fraud, and one that me scratching my head for a while as I waiting for ebay to confirm it was a fraudulent email, which they did within 20 minutes. I didn't go to the url, I just reported it to ebay and then starting looking at how they did the switch of url's. Thanks for the heads up! Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From bboyce at swat.coop Wed Jul 28 12:25:35 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:25:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <000c01c4737b$e12f6d90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> <005401c4741c$6e7c4240$240110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <005e01c474d8$a8c1d610$6401a8c0@BillyBob> yes Paul, i have followed your bridge engine story from the beginning and wish you good luck also,,,,i;m not counting any chickens yet, as i have no final word yet from ksc,,, and also, have not priced any crane services for the job, as that will weigh heavily in the outcome,,, bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] bridge engine update > Hey Bill I have one of these engines spotted in an old Railroad Trestle > about 5 miles from me. If you have any success let me know and I will follow > the same part you went. I will not do anything now as it might interfere > with what you are doing. > > If you go after the engine let me know how you plan to do this, I am curious > how you plan on getting it off of the bridge trestle. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Boyce" > To: "stationary engine list" > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 8:48 PM > Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update > > > after several letters and several months, i finally got a reply from kansas > city southern railroad today,,,, got a call from the head of the bridge > dept at the shreveport office,,,,evidently, someone from higher up had > forwarded one of my letters to him and told him to check into it,,, his > words to me were " i think you've gotten the attention of one of the big > guys",,,,, so, maybe my letter to mr. haverty, the ceo in kansas city did > find its way to his desk......... > the guy i talked to today was very cordial and sounded very positive ,,,,,, > he didnt know there was an engine still at that location, but said he would > go to the location tomorrw and look it over,,,,,, his last words were " i > really think that i;ll be able to give you a call back and tell you to come > get it",,,,,,,,, > so, i guess we'll see,,,,, > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Jul 28 12:31:20 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:31:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:58:48 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Hi Luke, > >WOW, GREAT story!! I think you should send it to Richard (with high >quality pics) for consideration as a GEM article!! > >BTW, well done on the b'day pressie!! Between you and Dolly this might >get to be a regular SEL occurrence. 8-)) > Seems like a lot of ladies are getting hold of engines these days. We bought Rita a little Douglas flat twin petrol engine the other day, she actually said she liked it so we bought it! :-)) Too heavy to bring to Portland though.... Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bboyce at swat.coop Wed Jul 28 12:30:06 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:30:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present References: Message-ID: <007101c474d9$49ba06f0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> luke,, i agree with arnie,,,,definitely gem material !!! bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > Hi Luke, > > WOW, GREAT story!! I think you should send it to Richard (with high > quality pics) for consideration as a GEM article!! > > BTW, well done on the b'day pressie!! Between you and Dolly this might > get to be a regular SEL occurrence. 8-)) > > On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > > > I said, "yep someone did get a nice > > engine, happy birthday." She paused for a few seconds and said, "WHAT?" So I > > said, "happy birthday." The look on her face was priceless. Saying that she > > was excited is an understatement. She was certainly surprised. We loaded it > > up and headed home. The next morning we unloaded it then headed to church. > > After church and lunch I had it running and she was very satisfied. I was > > too, it runs really nice. She doesn't want very many engines that she sees, > > but this is a nice one. Thought some of you would enjoy reading about it. > > Pictures of the engines are here: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/sawrig/sawrig.html > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Jul 28 13:33:44 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:33:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present References: Message-ID: Congrats Luke!! Great story. Of course I'm kinda partial to the Gals, so big time congrats on that also. Here's what I consider a great paint scheme for a 5hp. roundrod with a sub-base. http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/138616381AmaPJX Take Care, RickinMt. PS: Actually I love'm all!!! > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/galloway/galloway.html From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jul 28 13:44:21 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Rita's Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Peter, That's some SERIOUSLY excellent news!! Give Rita my congratulations!! Sounds like you two should plan on setting up with Jim & Dolly French at the next rally. Rita can setup her Douglas with Dolly's Baker Monitor & Maytag, and you can setup that Ruston 1ZHR Diesel of yours (including all of its interesting "college" bits) with Jim's engines. http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Ruston1ZHR/RustonMenu.htm Where all has that rascal been now? What's been the public's response to a fully equipped college engine on the rally field? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Peter A Forbes wrote: > Seems like a lot of ladies are getting hold of engines these days. We bought > Rita a little Douglas flat twin petrol engine the other day, she actually said > she liked it so we bought it! :-)) > > Too heavy to bring to Portland though.... From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Jul 28 14:38:57 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:38:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <881442B4-E0DE-11D8-9A85-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Now, that is nice! Jane and I've got an anniversary in a couple of days, Think I should buy her an engine? Or a gun? A guitar, maybe? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rexhinz at chorus.net Wed Jul 28 15:11:26 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:11:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show References: <20040726024341.6890.qmail@web20221.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002301c474f0$343b6fa0$1a86a5d8@rexhinz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Prindle" To: Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 9:43 PM Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show > Hi Folks, > Well, things are starting to shape up for this year's badger Steam & Gas > Engine Club show. > Joe > Joe : I will be there Sat to help with the clean up , you can put me to work on anything you wish , I also will be exhibiting , only need a small area , see you Sat July 31 St Rex Hinz > ===== > Joe Prindle > Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist > See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: > www.tznet.com/jprindle > Our Club: > www.badgersteamandgas.com > See Yoo in Baraboo! > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jhcullom at adelphia.net Wed Jul 28 15:34:45 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:34:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present References: Message-ID: <00fe01c474f3$154c1880$6401a8c0@john> Hi Luke, Great story! You're right about the date on the Galloway, as far as I can figure it. Too bad it didn't come with the rotary mag. Here are a couple pics of another type of mag bracket similar to yours. I believe the same mag fit both bracket styles, but I'm not 100% sure. If someone else knows, let me know. I've been looking in my Galloway literature but can't find any pics of the brackets. http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/magbracketA.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/magbracketB.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/rotarymag.jpg John From kerogas at the-i.net Wed Jul 28 15:01:13 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:01:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <000c01c4737b$e12f6d90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> <005401c4741c$6e7c4240$240110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <00a101c474f3$51f67dc0$07905841@oemcomputer> > If you go after the engine let me know how you plan to do this, I am curious > how you plan on getting it off of the bridge trestle. > Chinook and chains ! From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Jul 28 15:55:44 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:55:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present References: <881442B4-E0DE-11D8-9A85-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <000801c474f6$050f92a0$06856ad5@one> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > Now, that is nice! > Jane and I've got an anniversary in a couple of days, Think I should > buy her an engine? Or a gun? A guitar, maybe? > John Culp John, only you know your woman enough to answer the question. 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv British Map http://pub32.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=2692147218 World Map http://pub13.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=1064374771 From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Jul 28 17:13:26 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:13:26 EDT Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present Message-ID: <30.5c5ff901.2e399b26@aol.com> In a message dated 7/28/2004 6:03:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, johnculp at chartertn.net writes: << Or a gun? >> John, I once bought Millie a gun for Christmas that I wanted. It did not go over too well. You may want to eliminate the gun idea, but stick with the engine and guitar thought. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Jul 28 18:26:07 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 01:26:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present Message-ID: Hi John, How could you go wrong with a gun or an engine??? I think she'd love it. A couple years ago we picked up this engine on our anniversary. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/sattley5/5hpsattley.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: John Culp >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:38:57 -0400 > >Now, that is nice! > >Jane and I've got an anniversary in a couple of days, Think I should buy >her an engine? Or a gun? A guitar, maybe? > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Jul 28 18:33:44 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 01:33:44 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present Message-ID: Hi John, Thanks to your web pages and registry work I was able to come up with that date. I will have better pictures to share with you in the future when the restoration begins. Since there isn't a lick of paint on the entire engine I think I'll paint this one up. I wish it came with the rotary mag too, but maybe I'll come across one at a reasonable price someday. Have no idea what they even run for a functional one. Guessing $300 maybe. Thanks for the pics too. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================================= >From: "John Cullom" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:34:45 -0400 > >Hi Luke, > Great story! You're right about the date on the Galloway, as far as I >can >figure it. Too bad it didn't come with the rotary mag. Here are a couple >pics of another type of mag bracket similar to yours. I believe the same >mag >fit both bracket styles, but I'm not 100% sure. If someone else knows, let >me know. I've been looking in my Galloway literature but can't find any >pics >of the brackets. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/magbracketA.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/magbracketB.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/rotarymag.jpg > >John > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From canuckiron at wightman.ca Wed Jul 28 21:42:39 2004 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:42:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Pump Question References: <41072E27.77046E62@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <4108803F.C765B389@wightman.ca> Thanks all. Yeah Joe, I meant pulley. See what having a daughter did to me? :-) It looks almost identical to the one in Ken's picture. I think I can get it pretty cheap too and as Bill said, I am not out to compete with the local Fire Department. It is in good original shape and has the decals still on it. Lets see what we can do now. Thanks, Duncan Duncan Denman wrote: -- Duncan and Sandy Denman Ayton, Ontario, Canada Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca Visit our Home Page at: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry From ottawa at pa.net Wed Jul 28 19:02:14 2004 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:02:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present References: Message-ID: <00dc01c47510$123a3e70$f7f0cd97@HONDESKTOP> It is just an undesirable Ottawa but this was our 50th anniversary gift to ourselves, which we picked up 2 weeks ago: http://community.webshots.com/album/166043764LFftpN Helen George L. & Helen S. Myers The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Tel 717-536-3711 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 ----- Original Message ----- From: Luke Tonneberger To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present Hi John, How could you go wrong with a gun or an engine??? I think she'd love it. A couple years ago we picked up this engine on our anniversary. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/sattley5/5hpsattley.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: John Culp >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:38:57 -0400 > >Now, that is nice! > >Jane and I've got an anniversary in a couple of days, Think I should buy >her an engine? Or a gun? A guitar, maybe? > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Jul 28 20:11:58 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:11:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: <00dc01c47510$123a3e70$f7f0cd97@HONDESKTOP> References: <00dc01c47510$123a3e70$f7f0cd97@HONDESKTOP> Message-ID: <0D6232AF-E10D-11D8-A379-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Well now, that's a nice one, Helen! Congratulations on the 50th! We're just up to 26. I think I'd be wise not to get Jane an engine, gun or guitar for an anniversary present. I've always been careful not to buy her a rolling pin, but I'm pretty sure she's got one. John On Jul 28, 2004, at 10:02 PM, George/Helen Myers wrote: > It is just an undesirable Ottawa but this was our 50th anniversary > gift to ourselves, which we picked up 2 weeks ago: > http://community.webshots.com/album/166043764LFftpN John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Jul 28 21:25:10 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:25:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present References: Message-ID: <001b01c47524$0a2229a0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Luke, Great story. Wish I could get my wife interested in this. The look on her face when I bring an engine home is priceless also. About the same look she gives our grandson when he shows her the latest snake he caught. Around here it's a guy thing and I'm outnumbered most days. Happy Birthday to Shirley. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 12:55 PM Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > Hi Everybody, > > I picked up two new engines a couple weeks ago at an auction near Battle > Creek, Michigan. About a week before the auction I showed the listing to my > wife Shirley. They happened to have an Economy 7hp on a drop frame cart with > a buzz rig listed. One of Shirley's favorite engines is an Economy. She > made a comment on how it would be nice to have a bigger Economy than the 5hp > that we already have. I informed her of the auctioneers web site that has a > picture of the buzz rig. Once she saw the picture of it she said that it > really looked pretty and she wanted me to take a couple pictures of the buzz > rig while I was at the auction. For the next several days, prior to the > auction, I heard several times a day that the engine was a pretty engine, > how much she liked Economy's, it would be neat to have a bigger one, and on > and on. Every day I heard this. Not really having the room to store it and > the extra money to buy it I just wrote it off and figured I'd take some > pictures for her. > > Our tandem axle trailer that I usually haul stuff on is loaded for shows > this year with a couple engines belted to a couple big blowers already all > bolted down. So I just took the truck to the auction. Well, on the way to > the auction I remembered her birthday was coming up in a few weeks and > didn't know what to get her. The buzz rig would make a great birthday gift I > figured. But no where to put it and no way to haul it home. I ended up > bidding on the buzz rig and was the high bidder. I also picked up a Galloway > 5hp with a round connecting rod. I had the Galloway loaded up into the truck > and asked the owners about storing the Economy and buzz rig for a couple > weeks until I could come back down and get it. They said they would push it > into the fence row and I could cover it up. During the drive home that > didn't set well with me so when I got back in town I stopped and rented a > Uhaul trailer. > > I wanted to surprise Shirley with the buzz rig sitting in the front yard > when she got home from work on her birthday, but it was a few weeks away and > she would have the bank statement by then, nowhere to hide the buzz rig, and > I would have to take time off of work to pick it up without her knowing. So > I thought some more and this is what I did. > > I got home and told Shirley about the Galloway I bought and a bunch of other > junk that I picked up really cheap (sometimes I do get a bunch of junk to > haul to the scrapyard for trading material). Told her I got a drag, some > disks, scrap iron, and a drop frame cart for the Economy (the one we already > have, but I didn't say that. just a drop frame cart for the Economy). I told > her that the stuff needed to be removed by this evening and wondered if she > wanted to go back down there with me. She decided to go to help me load the > junk because she had nothing else to do. So my daughter Brooklynn and I > unloaded the Galloway then all three of us headed back down to the auction > site. On the way she asked how much the buzz rig sold for and I told her > that I didn't remember as there were so many engines there. I did tell her I > took a few pictures though and she could see the pictures later. > > When we got there there weren't many people left and the tents that some of > the stuff was under had the sides all closed in with tarps. I suggested > looking in the tents to see what was leftover and she could maybe see a few > of the nice engines that they had there to sell. There were a few tractors > we were looking at and back in the corner of the tent was the buzz rig. I > said, "oh look, they didn't pick up the buzz rig yet and you can atleast get > to see it in person." She was so excited. She walked up to it looked it over > and said, "it is so beautiful and alot better than the picture, someone got > a nice engine, this is really nice." I said, "yep someone did get a nice > engine, happy birthday." She paused for a few seconds and said, "WHAT?" So I > said, "happy birthday." The look on her face was priceless. Saying that she > was excited is an understatement. She was certainly surprised. We loaded it > up and headed home. The next morning we unloaded it then headed to church. > After church and lunch I had it running and she was very satisfied. I was > too, it runs really nice. She doesn't want very many engines that she sees, > but this is a nice one. Thought some of you would enjoy reading about it. > Pictures of the engines are here: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/sawrig/sawrig.html > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/galloway/galloway.html > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > _________________________________________________________________ > Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jul 28 21:42:43 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:42:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT (way OT!) advice on how to sell business needed References: <004401c4738c$799e4e10$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <06bb01c47526$7d04a540$0400a8c0@Dave> Hi Bill, One thing that you need to plan for is how to get food on the table after you no longer have an income from your wife's quilt shop. That, it seems to me, is the most important thing that needs to be considered! As to the value of the business, start out with the value of the inventory and then multiply it by 0.75. Add to that the replacement cost of the building. Be honest here--we all think that what we own is worth more that any buyer will! (75% of your estimate, again, is probably right unless you get a professional agent to evaluate the structure.) As to the value of the business itself, if it's only "paid it's own way" (that is, if there is no profit at the end of the year) it's not worth anything. If there has been a profit, I believe the rule of thumb is 10 times the yearly profit. Perhaps someone in business can comment on this "10 rule." In any event, good luck with the selling venture. Let us know how it goes and how you intend to put food on the table once the business is sold! Dave PS, You might want to consider carrying the mortgage yourself on a land contract. That way if the buyer defaults you get the business/building back. > Since there are so many great minds out here, thought I would ask this > group. > I know there are doctors, mechanics, judges and heaven forbid, probably even > lawyers out here. > Time to sell - wife wants to get back to normal life. > We've done this for 5.5 years and it's time to move on. > She wants to sell the quilt store. > Running it was easy compared to what it seems to take to sell. > Anyone know how to value the thing and how to go about it - or more > importantly, how to NOT go about it? > > Anyone know what SDCF and/or EBITDA cash flow are and how to get to that? > It's been successful, it's paid its own way and has survived competition and > economic downturn but we want our time back! > > So what do we do - or not do? > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa, USA > > "and tho my race was thought immune, > Themselves they did consume. > So be warned, or be mourned tomorrow" > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jul 29 02:33:30 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:33:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present References: <001b01c47524$0a2229a0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <00f901c4754f$1ff48040$76111bd3@athlon> Ah, Jeff, we have the same troubles in life! (But at least the workshop is safe) VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > Luke, > > Great story. Wish I could get my wife interested in this. The look on her > face when I bring an engine home is priceless also. About the same look she > gives our grandson when he shows her the latest snake he caught. From prepair at easynet.co.uk Thu Jul 29 03:01:24 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:01:24 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT (way OT!) advice on how to sell business needed In-Reply-To: <06bb01c47526$7d04a540$0400a8c0@Dave> References: <004401c4738c$799e4e10$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> <06bb01c47526$7d04a540$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:42:43 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Bill, > One thing that you need to plan for is how to get food on the table >after you no longer have an income from your wife's quilt shop. That, it >seems to me, is the most important thing that needs to be considered! > As to the value of the business, start out with the value of the >inventory and then multiply it by 0.75. Add to that the replacement cost of >the building. Be honest here--we all think that what we own is worth more >that any buyer will! (75% of your estimate, again, is probably right unless >you get a professional agent to evaluate the structure.) > As to the value of the business itself, if it's only "paid it's own way" >(that is, if there is no profit at the end of the year) it's not worth >anything. If there has been a profit, I believe the rule of thumb is 10 >times the yearly profit. Perhaps someone in business can comment on this "10 >rule." > In any event, good luck with the selling venture. Let us know how it >goes and how you intend to put food on the table once the business is sold! > Dave >PS, You might want to consider carrying the mortgage yourself on a land >contract. That way if the buyer defaults you get the business/building back. Serious and good advice there from Dave. I think that the considerations of post-business sale should be looming large in your thoughts, you have to eat and pay the bills as Dave says, so be careful you don't agree a sale and then spend 6 months waiting for completion and payment. What someone will pay for a running business depends very much on how they see it and what the attractions are to them, so although it may be the apple of your own eye, try and take a look from the other side of the sales counter and figure out how it looks from the consumer side. We have been working for ourselves for so long now it would be difficult to go back to a paid job, and at our ages we probably couldn't find work anyway! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From wilson at stny.rr.com Thu Jul 29 04:19:23 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:19:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom In-Reply-To: <00f901c4754f$1ff48040$76111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse engine but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose in the playroom as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. There is no doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It is brown with diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be outlined in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width like a milksnake and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - its tail is about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. The snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about 24" inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we haven't seen it since. hmm. Glenn Wilson -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Reg & Margaret Ingold Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:34 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present Ah, Jeff, we have the same troubles in life! (But at least the workshop is safe) VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > Luke, > > Great story. Wish I could get my wife interested in this. The look on her > face when I bring an engine home is priceless also. About the same look she > gives our grandson when he shows her the latest snake he caught. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jul 29 04:31:53 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 06:31:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT (way OT!) advice on how to sell business needed In-Reply-To: <06bb01c47526$7d04a540$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <01f301c4755f$aeab6eb0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> >>how to get food on the table after you no longer have an income from your wife's quilt shop<< I've now got a full time job. I start Friday, decent job, though not as good as I'm used to, the benefits will be good. That means that BOTH of us will have full time jobs and thus little time to put into the things that it takes to own a business. The building is leased from the Masonic Lodge (they are not-for-profit as far as IRS is concerned and have always kept rent LOW) It's in Valley Junction - a tourist area of West Des Moines. There has been profit in each of the 5 years we've had it. Inventory - it's packed to the gills. Inventory has grown in each of the 5 years we've had it. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:43 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT (way OT!) advice on how to sell business needed Hi Bill, One thing that you need to plan for is how to get food on the table after you no longer have an income from your wife's quilt shop. That, it seems to me, is the most important thing that needs to be considered! As to the value of the business, start out with the value of the inventory and then multiply it by 0.75. Add to that the replacement cost of the building. Be honest here--we all think that what we own is worth more that any buyer will! (75% of your estimate, again, is probably right unless you get a professional agent to evaluate the structure.) As to the value of the business itself, if it's only "paid it's own way" (that is, if there is no profit at the end of the year) it's not worth anything. If there has been a profit, I believe the rule of thumb is 10 times the yearly profit. Perhaps someone in business can comment on this "10 rule." In any event, good luck with the selling venture. Let us know how it goes and how you intend to put food on the table once the business is sold! Dave PS, You might want to consider carrying the mortgage yourself on a land contract. That way if the buyer defaults you get the business/building back. > Since there are so many great minds out here, thought I would ask this > group. I know there are doctors, mechanics, judges and heaven forbid, > probably even > lawyers out here. > Time to sell - wife wants to get back to normal life. > We've done this for 5.5 years and it's time to move on. > She wants to sell the quilt store. > Running it was easy compared to what it seems to take to sell. Anyone > know how to value the thing and how to go about it - or more > importantly, how to NOT go about it? > > Anyone know what SDCF and/or EBITDA cash flow are and how to get to > that? It's been successful, it's paid its own way and has survived > competition and > economic downturn but we want our time back! > > So what do we do - or not do? > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa, USA > > "and tho my race was thought immune, > Themselves they did consume. > So be warned, or be mourned tomorrow" > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Jul 29 07:03:37 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:03:37 +0000 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom Message-ID: <072920041403.19183.4a0f@mchsi.com> Glenn, Old farmer remedy...put some used antifreeze in a shallow pan providing you have no other pets around the playroom and Mr Snake will eventually get thristy and drink the green beverage and fall asleep.....permanently! good luck, Curt > Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found > our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. > We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse engine > but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose in the > playroom > as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. There is no > doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It is brown with > diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be outlined > in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width like a > milksnake > and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - its tail is > about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. The > snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about 24" > inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we > haven't seen it since. hmm. > Glenn Wilson > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Reg & > Margaret Ingold > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:34 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > Ah, Jeff, we have the same troubles in life! (But at least the workshop is > safe) VBG > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:25 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > > Luke, > > > > Great story. Wish I could get my wife interested in this. The look on her > > face when I bring an engine home is priceless also. About the same look > she > > gives our grandson when he shows her the latest snake he caught. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Jul 29 07:07:30 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:07:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Pump Question Message-ID: <20040729.102025.716.3.jlb94@juno.com> GET IT !!! I've always liked an engine display where the engine is doing something. Problem with water pumps - - - Getting water. Sometimes it's easier to dig a well. Good Find ! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:42:39 -0700 Duncan Denman writes: > Thanks all. Yeah Joe, I meant pulley. See what having a daughter did > to me? > :-) > It looks almost identical to the one in Ken's picture. I think I can > get it > pretty cheap too and as Bill said, I am not out to compete with the > local > Fire Department. It is in good original shape and has the decals > still on > it. > > Lets see what we can do now. > > Thanks, > Duncan > > Duncan Denman wrote: > -- > Duncan and Sandy Denman > Ayton, Ontario, Canada > Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca > Visit our Home Page at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ > Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Jul 29 07:13:55 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:13:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom Message-ID: <20040729.102025.716.4.jlb94@juno.com> Holly Cow Glenn, !!! I think if that was me - I'd HAVE to know where it is AT ALL TIMES !!! I wouldn't want to kill it (Maybe) because I feel thay're just trying to make a living but - I would make it so he doesn't want to be there. Good luck and safe hunting. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From ottawa at pa.net Thu Jul 29 07:41:27 2004 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:41:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present References: <00dc01c47510$123a3e70$f7f0cd97@HONDESKTOP> <0D6232AF-E10D-11D8-A379-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <002a01c4757a$221bbe80$8cf1cd97@HONDESKTOP> Thanks John! I really feel sorry for some of you fellows! George can honestly tell you that he has never bought and engine. He just looks at me with his lower lip quivering like the kid that wanted a candy bar. If he knows I said this I may not see another anniversary! It has been a great 50 years and we hope to stay healthy and see a few more years go by. Best advice I can give is "talk to one another and do things together as partners" also treat your spouse as your best friend, which is what he/she should be. One year I received a new broom, after that we just had the clutch replace in it! Off my soap box... Helen George L. & Helen S. Myers The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Tel 717-536-3711 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 http://community.webshots.com/user/doitnowo ----- Original Message ----- From: John Culp To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present Well now, that's a nice one, Helen! Congratulations on the 50th! We're just up to 26. I think I'd be wise not to get Jane an engine, gun or guitar for an anniversary present. I've always been careful not to buy her a rolling pin, but I'm pretty sure she's got one. John On Jul 28, 2004, at 10:02 PM, George/Helen Myers wrote: > It is just an undesirable Ottawa but this was our 50th anniversary > gift to ourselves, which we picked up 2 weeks ago: > http://community.webshots.com/album/166043764LFftpN John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Jul 29 07:59:40 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:59:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present / Magnet Recharge Message-ID: Shirley's buzz rig really isn't ready to go to a show. The Webster mag isn't able to fire the engine. It throws a spark when I trip the mag with a screwdriver on the workbench, but when it is on the engine it won't run it. I unhooked the wire from the Webster and grounded it out, then hooked up a battery and coil and it popped right off. Of course I couldn't run it long as the points are normally closed and the coil heats up after about 20 to 30 minutes. I'm thinking/hoping it just needs the magnets recharged. Does anybody know if I can get this done at Portland? Not sure if any vendors are capable of doing this out in the field in the sale area? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============================== >From: "Richard Strobel" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] Magnet Recharge >Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:50:56 -0600 > >Howdy all; > Well I can't say enough on how well my engines start after recharging >the >magnets on the Websters. The little Gal (2 1/4 hp.) was quite onry and had >to break sweat in order to get her going. Now it starts on the second >pull. >Eco was a good starter but a recharge didn't hurt her either. Will be >interesting to see what the sawrig will do, but on the table it throws a >pretty good spark. > I wouldn't have thot a hot spark compared to a weak spark would have >made >that much difference. > btw, this charger has coils made of very healthy "flat on both sides" >wire. I'm using 12vdc. > >"Happy Camper" > >RickinMt. >http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jul 29 09:10:38 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: rattlesnake in my playroom (OT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Glenn, A couple of suggestions.... Take your trusty 12 gauge and magnum loads of buckshot. Fire a couple of rounds into every spot that looks like it could harbor a snake. That should do the trick. Another option would be to take a nice fat mouse or hamster, tie a string around it's middle and tie the other end to a piece of furniture. Put a dish of mouse or hamster food and a dish of water nearby so the "bait" remains calm and happy. Wait for Mr. Snake to "take the bait". Then use the string to lead Mr. Snake back outside. I hope that helps... See ya, Arnie On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Glenn Wilson wrote: > Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found > our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. > We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse engine > but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose in the > playroom > as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. There is no > doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It is brown with > diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be outlined > in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width like a > milksnake > and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - its tail is > about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. The > snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about 24" > inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we > haven't seen it since. hmm. From EnginePaul at aol.com Thu Jul 29 09:35:09 2004 From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:35:09 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re: rattlesnake in my playroom (OT) Message-ID: <9e.106facb9.2e3a813d@aol.com> A playroom with a rattlesnake! You play rough. Or you don't like your kids. Last night, I had a lawyer in my dinning room; he left on his own when he discover that I don't have any problems that he could profit from. But not all snakes are like that. As for your snake, I've heard the antifreeze thing, supposed to work. If you can find a Marine that was stationed at Camp Pendelton; they have an annual rattlesnake hunt and should be experienced. Good luck, and be careful Paul From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Jul 29 09:48:30 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:48:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: rattlesnake in my playroom (OT) References: Message-ID: <002401c4758b$e50f36e0$4d83fb40@3rbys01> Well, Arnie, the other choice is to keep him as a 'mouser'. I understand they can be pretty effective. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 11:10 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: rattlesnake in my playroom (OT) > Hi Glenn, > > A couple of suggestions.... > > Take your trusty 12 gauge and magnum loads of buckshot. Fire a couple of > rounds into every spot that looks like it could harbor a snake. That > should do the trick. > > Another option would be to take a nice fat mouse or hamster, tie a string > around it's middle and tie the other end to a piece of furniture. Put a > dish of mouse or hamster food and a dish of water nearby so the "bait" > remains calm and happy. Wait for Mr. Snake to "take the bait". Then use > the string to lead Mr. Snake back outside. > > I hope that helps... > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Glenn Wilson wrote: > > > Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found > > our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. > > We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse engine > > but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose in the > > playroom > > as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. There is no > > doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It is brown with > > diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be outlined > > in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width like a > > milksnake > > and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - its tail is > > about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. The > > snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about 24" > > inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we > > haven't seen it since. hmm. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From shop at cccomm.net Thu Jul 29 10:08:38 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:08:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder Epoxy Message-ID: <00ed01c4758e$b0ba4620$6501a8c0@Shop> Last year there was a healthy discussion pertaining to using epoxy, like JB Weld to fill pits in cylinder walls. I have an old Hercules that is in dire need of such a fix. Details and proceedures will be appreciated. Thanks in advance Dave Ernst From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 29 10:13:54 2004 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom In-Reply-To: <072920041403.19183.4a0f@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20040729171354.17366.qmail@web14103.mail.yahoo.com> But in the meantime Glenn, I think I'd move out. Ron cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: Glenn, Old farmer remedy...put some used antifreeze in a shallow pan providing you have no other pets around the playroom and Mr Snake will eventually get thristy and drink the green beverage and fall asleep.....permanently! good luck, Curt > Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found > our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. > We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse engine > but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose in the > playroom > as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. There is no > doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It is brown with > diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be outlined > in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width like a > milksnake > and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - its tail is > about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. The > snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about 24" > inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we > haven't seen it since. hmm. > Glenn Wilson > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Reg & > Margaret Ingold > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:34 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > Ah, Jeff, we have the same troubles in life! (But at least the workshop is > safe) VBG > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:25 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > > Luke, > > > > Great story. Wish I could get my wife interested in this. The look on her > > face when I bring an engine home is priceless also. About the same look > she > > gives our grandson when he shows her the latest snake he caught. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! From kerogas at the-i.net Thu Jul 29 10:41:46 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:41:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: rattlesnake in my playroom (OT) References: Message-ID: <004901c47593$52d130a0$07905841@oemcomputer> > Another option would be to take a nice fat mouse or hamster, tie a string > around it's middle and tie the other end to a piece of furniture. Put a > dish of mouse or hamster food and a dish of water nearby so the "bait" > remains calm and happy. Wait for Mr. Snake to "take the bait". Then use > the string to lead Mr. Snake back outside. I like that idea ,BTW was that GREAT BIG FAT scorpion still in your Bessie's tool box when you tore it apart ? I was all out of tarantulas at the moment and he sorta volunteered for the duty From kerogas at the-i.net Thu Jul 29 10:55:11 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:55:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder Epoxy References: <00ed01c4758e$b0ba4620$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <008901c47595$32a0ea80$07905841@oemcomputer> Last year there was a healthy discussion pertaining to using epoxy, like JB Weld to fill pits in cylinder walls. I have an old Hercules that is in dire need of such a fix. Details and proceedures will be appreciated. >>> Pits you can do easy . Sitting forever with water on the piston , leaving a "ring around the collar " that reapir might fall off though . But no big deal if it does . Degrease , burn, , scrub , just get the cylinder oil free sandblast the pits to give em some bite . Mix up epoxy , swab into pits and use a broken piston ring with a silicone release agent to spread into bore . Release agent is not absolutely necc . Hone to fit . Tell no-one and save yourself a lecture . Just like bodywork the trick is to get it near perfect the first time and not spend all day with a bondo file , or in this case the hone . If it is pitted all the way around in a small cylinder , do one side let it set up , do the other , then hone both . You can make it up as you go and still get it right From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Jul 29 10:56:59 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:56:59 +0000 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom Message-ID: Hi Everybody, Not sure what kind of snake this is but Shirley about stepped on it while she was going out to hang up some laundry on the clothes line this past Saturday afternoon. It was about 16 inches long. After poking at it with a broom handle to get him to go on his way he sorta coiled up, raised his head, and hissed a few times. You can see him donig this in the second picture. I was able to dangle him off the broom handle and put him out in the weeds. He never did try to bite at the broom handle. Shirley watched from faaaaar away as she is very afraid of snakes. When I get time I'm going to try and see what type of snake it was. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-005s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-008s.jpg Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================== >From: "Glenn Wilson" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:19:23 -0400 > >Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found >our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. >We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse engine >but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose in the >playroom >as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. There is no >doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It is brown >with >diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be outlined >in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width like a >milksnake >and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - its tail is >about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. The >snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about 24" >inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we >haven't seen it since. hmm. >Glenn Wilson > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 29 12:06:51 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040729190651.84803.qmail@web20222.mail.yahoo.com> Is that a Hendricks rotary mag? I think I have one of those all tore apart in a box. What is the bolt pattern on your bracket? Joe --- Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi John, > > Thanks to your web pages and registry work I was able to come up with > that > date. I will have better pictures to share with you in the future when > the > restoration begins. Since there isn't a lick of paint on the entire > engine > I think I'll paint this one up. I wish it came with the rotary mag too, > but > maybe I'll come across one at a reasonable price someday. Have no idea > what > they even run for a functional one. Guessing $300 maybe. Thanks for the > > pics too. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ================================= > > >From: "John Cullom" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:34:45 -0400 > > > >Hi Luke, > > Great story! You're right about the date on the Galloway, as far as > I > >can > >figure it. Too bad it didn't come with the rotary mag. Here are a > couple > >pics of another type of mag bracket similar to yours. I believe the > same > >mag > >fit both bracket styles, but I'm not 100% sure. If someone else knows, > let > >me know. I've been looking in my Galloway literature but can't find any > > >pics > >of the brackets. > > > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/magbracketA.jpg > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/magbracketB.jpg > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/rotarymag.jpg > > > >John > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Joe Prindle Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: www.tznet.com/jprindle Our Club: www.badgersteamandgas.com See Yoo in Baraboo! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jul 29 12:03:56 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: rattlesnake in my playroom (OT) In-Reply-To: <004901c47593$52d130a0$07905841@oemcomputer> References: <004901c47593$52d130a0$07905841@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Hi Chuck, On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > I like that idea ,BTW was that GREAT BIG FAT scorpion > still in your Bessie's tool box when you tore it apart ? > I was all out of tarantulas at the moment and he sorta volunteered for the > duty Yep, he's now cast in clear plastic and sits on my dresser. BIG sucker he was too!! See ya, Arnie From curt at imc-group.com Thu Jul 29 12:16:41 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:16:41 -0400 Subject: way OT [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom References: Message-ID: <41094D19.7030804@imc-group.com> Luke, Have always enjoyed snakes and had quite a few while growing up. All the neighbors call me when they have a snake in the yard or house. I gather them up and release them to the safety of the woods. Markings like the one you pictured would scare a southerner good, immediately fearing copperhead. I did a search on snakes in your are and here is the link. http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Reserve/7416/mi.html or http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=snakes+of+michigan&page=1&offset=2&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D14fd0405d9f2c20d%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26userQuery%3Dsnakes%2Bof%2Bmichigan%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.geocities.com%252FPetsburgh%252FReserve%252F7416%252Fmi.html%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DnsBrowserRoll%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2FPetsburgh%2FReserve%2F7416%2Fmi.html Eastern Hognose snake looks familiar and the caption says they play dead when provoked. However, look at this link or the last photo! http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=snakes+of+michigan&page=1&offset=2&result_url=redir?src=websearch&requestId=14fd0405d9f2c20d&clickedItemRank=1&userQuery=snakes+of+michigan&clickedItemURN=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2FPetsburgh%2FReserve%2F7416%2Fmi.html&invocationType=-&fromPage=nsBrowserRoll&Test=1&remove_url=http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Reserve/7416/mi.html I put your picture and this picture side by side on the monitor and the marking on the head, over the eyes, and down the neck are VERY similiar. No rattle? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > Not sure what kind of snake this is but Shirley about stepped on it > while she was going out to hang up some laundry on the clothes line > this past Saturday afternoon. It was about 16 inches long. After > poking at it with a broom handle to get him to go on his way he sorta > coiled up, raised his head, and hissed a few times. You can see him > donig this in the second picture. I was able to dangle him off the > broom handle and put him out in the weeds. He never did try to bite at > the broom handle. Shirley watched from faaaaar away as she is very > afraid of snakes. When I get time I'm going to try and see what type > of snake it was. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-005s.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-008s.jpg > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > From driggars at earthlink.net Thu Jul 29 12:31:23 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:31:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom References: Message-ID: <00e601c475a2$a2e22d60$0718e204@clinton> Looks well like a rattler to me, i see em all the times around here Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:56 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom > Hi Everybody, > > Not sure what kind of snake this is but Shirley about stepped on it while > she was going out to hang up some laundry on the clothes line this past > Saturday afternoon. It was about 16 inches long. After poking at it with a > broom handle to get him to go on his way he sorta coiled up, raised his > head, and hissed a few times. You can see him donig this in the second > picture. I was able to dangle him off the broom handle and put him out in > the weeds. He never did try to bite at the broom handle. Shirley watched > from faaaaar away as she is very afraid of snakes. When I get time I'm going > to try and see what type of snake it was. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-005s.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-008s.jpg > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > ======================== > > >From: "Glenn Wilson" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom > >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:19:23 -0400 > > > >Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found > >our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. > >We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse engine > >but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose in the > >playroom > >as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. There is no > >doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It is brown > >with > >diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be outlined > >in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width like a > >milksnake > >and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - its tail is > >about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. The > >snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about 24" > >inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we > >haven't seen it since. hmm. > >Glenn Wilson > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jul 29 12:16:51 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom - OT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Luke, He sorta looks like a copperhead.... http://www.snakesandfrogs.com/scra/snakes/copperh.htm http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/wildlife/resources/wildnotes/pub373.htm Too bad you didn't get a nice closeup of the head that would show the pits. Get a lot closer next time, OK? 8-))) See ya, Arnie PS - I HOPE you gave Shirley lots of sympathy. Friend spouse encountered a five-foot black snake while hanging clothes. Made it back to the porch (~20 feet) in one great leap. My mistake was in going to check out the really cool big black snake first. 8-)) Here's a peek at one... http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/StratfordLandingES/Ecology/mpages/black_rat_snake.htm On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Not sure what kind of snake this is but Shirley about stepped on it while > she was going out to hang up some laundry on the clothes line this past > Saturday afternoon. It was about 16 inches long. After poking at it with a > broom handle to get him to go on his way he sorta coiled up, raised his > head, and hissed a few times. You can see him donig this in the second > picture. I was able to dangle him off the broom handle and put him out in > the weeds. He never did try to bite at the broom handle. Shirley watched > from faaaaar away as she is very afraid of snakes. When I get time I'm going > to try and see what type of snake it was. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-005s.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-008s.jpg From wilson at stny.rr.com Thu Jul 29 14:08:00 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:08:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom In-Reply-To: <072920041403.19183.4a0f@mchsi.com> Message-ID: We have 5 cats :(( -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of cgandree at mchsi.com Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 10:04 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom Glenn, Old farmer remedy...put some used antifreeze in a shallow pan providing you have no other pets around the playroom and Mr Snake will eventually get thristy and drink the green beverage and fall asleep.....permanently! good luck, Curt > Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found > our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. > We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse engine > but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose in the > playroom > as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. There is no > doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It is brown with > diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be outlined > in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width like a > milksnake > and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - its tail is > about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. The > snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about 24" > inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we > haven't seen it since. hmm. > Glenn Wilson > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Reg & > Margaret Ingold > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:34 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > Ah, Jeff, we have the same troubles in life! (But at least the workshop is > safe) VBG > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:25 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > > Luke, > > > > Great story. Wish I could get my wife interested in this. The look on her > > face when I bring an engine home is priceless also. About the same look > she > > gives our grandson when he shows her the latest snake he caught. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jul 29 04:23:45 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:23:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Nat Rally Costs References: <43316343123a.43123a433163@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <000201c475b4$789350e0$170d1bd3@athlon> Hey adam, go ahead with your little digs but, Just bear in mind that I and others made known our feelings about the prices being charged. That was the original statement. That pricing policy was the only content of the letter I sent to the club holding the event. THEY are the ones holding the event, not me! It is not my place to take over the planning. All the later mail was an expansion of the feelings of list members.That is what the list is about. I hope the organisers can accept our views better than you. If the prices remain high. single admission, etc. then the following will happen. Exhibitor attendance will be down. Less exhibitors will go to the meal. There will not be the spirit of enjoyment that could and should be at an event like this. That is and was all I intended to point out. As far as I am concerned, the subject is closed as further sniping is totally non productive. But, If things are left as they are, I will not be making the trip with a van load of models. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 9:16 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: Nat Rally Costs > > Hi Bill, > Great suggestion and points I will be sure to pass this on to the organisers when I talk to them over the next few days well done and thanks so much for your efforts. I hope we can see some more. > > Reg, a media release is currently being drafted which I believe will address the issue of cost and other comments made both here on the list and other places about the National, mean while Reg your suggestions on how to offset the costs are still most welcome and I look forward to seeing them....... watch this space.... > > Kind regards, > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From EnginePaul at aol.com Thu Jul 29 14:36:16 2004 From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:36:16 EDT Subject: way OT [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom Message-ID: Rattle snakes don't always have rattles; but they do have the venom. The younger ones are the deadliest. Do some on-line research. AND be careful. Paul From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Jul 29 15:33:03 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:33:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4160AB28-E1AF-11D8-BFFE-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Good cats will team up and kill a rattlesnake. We had cats in Alabama that would do it. One cat would sneak up behind and grab its head while others out front kept it distracted. John On Jul 29, 2004, at 5:08 PM, Glenn Wilson wrote: > We have 5 cats :(( John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Jul 29 15:38:29 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:38:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: <00dc01c47510$123a3e70$f7f0cd97@HONDESKTOP> References: <00dc01c47510$123a3e70$f7f0cd97@HONDESKTOP> Message-ID: <037F8A93-E1B0-11D8-BFFE-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Rather than an engine, gun or guitar I got her a cool little bonsai tree, which she likes. Meanwhile, I'm going to grab my Mosin and head for the range before it's too dark. If I'm going to get a little action going, it's going to be bolt action. John From Za3Sh at aol.com Thu Jul 29 16:20:57 2004 From: Za3Sh at aol.com (Za3Sh at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:20:57 EDT Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Moved to Museum!!! Message-ID: <7a.5d4bf91e.2e3ae059@aol.com> Yesterday two 50 ton hydraulic cranes and four semi trucks from Grim's Crane service arrived at the plate mill building at V&M Star Steel in Girard, OH to begin loading out parts of the Tod Engine for shipment to the future Tod Engine Museum site. By the end of the day one of the flywheel halves was on a trailer and the LP bedplate was ready to lift. Today we successfully moved both halves of the flywheel, low pressure bedplate and LP soleplate to the Tod Engine Museum site. The LP bedplate and sole plate were placed into position on the concrete, and one flywheel half was placed into the pit. A total of 239,000 lbs. of engien parts were moved in a convoy this afternoon. Tommorrow we will complete this phase of the project by unloading the remaining flywheel half and doing some fine adjustments on the locations of the bedplate, to assure that they will line up with the crank and flywheel when the remainder of the engine is assembled. We had full media coverage for the move. All three local TV network affiliates had newscrews for interviews, the Youngstown Vindicator sent a reporter as well as the local Business Journal. Mr. David Tod, one of our past benefactors, also was on hand to view the work in progress. The Tod Family is still quite interested in the project, and the son of William Tod, of whose company built our engine, will be in town and I plan to give him a personal tour of the engine and grounds. After tommorrow's work the riggers will return in about a week to move and set the low pressure cylinder. After that is completed the only parts that will remain at V&M Star Steel will be the high pressure bedplate, cylinder and crankshaft. These parts will move early next year. Photos of today's work is on the webshots site at http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine For the remainder of the year the Tod Engine Foundation will focus on filling in and constructing the concrete pad for the high pressure side of the engine, and cleaning and painting the parts that are at the museum site. These last two days have certainly been good ones for us! Thanks to everyone on the SEL wrecking crew whose work eight years ago dismantling this engine made today's success possible!!! Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Foundation Youngstown, OH www.todengine.org From solarrog at pacbell.net Thu Jul 29 17:49:55 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:49:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom References: Message-ID: <050401c475cf$2229eeb0$e2687343@solar> I suspect you knew he was a rattler. They dont like to be messed with much. Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom > Hi Everybody, > > Not sure what kind of snake this is but Shirley about stepped on it while > she was going out to hang up some laundry on the clothes line this past > Saturday afternoon. It was about 16 inches long. After poking at it with a > broom handle to get him to go on his way he sorta coiled up, raised his > head, and hissed a few times. You can see him donig this in the second > picture. I was able to dangle him off the broom handle and put him out in > the weeds. He never did try to bite at the broom handle. Shirley watched > from faaaaar away as she is very afraid of snakes. When I get time I'm going > to try and see what type of snake it was. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-005s.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-008s.jpg > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > ======================== > > >From: "Glenn Wilson" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom > >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:19:23 -0400 > > > >Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found > >our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. > >We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse engine > >but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose in the > >playroom > >as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. There is no > >doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It is brown > >with > >diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be outlined > >in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width like a > >milksnake > >and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - its tail is > >about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. The > >snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about 24" > >inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we > >haven't seen it since. hmm. > >Glenn Wilson > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Jul 29 17:57:44 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:57:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom References: Message-ID: <002401c475d0$39d11e70$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Glen, My grandson came up with the perfect solution when I mentioned your snake. He wants it. All you have to do is catch it and ship it to Colorado. :) Great idea, but I had to say no. Didn't even ask Grandma. I know her answer. Here are a couple links on timber rattlers: http://www.mpm.edu/collect/vertzo/herp/timber/factshe1.html http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/land/er/factsheets/herps/timber.htm Seems their numbers are declining and they are protected in some states, so if you kill it, keep your mouth shut. The second link has how to catch it, and what to do if you want to keep it alive. Hotline number included. Personally any venomous snake in or near my house would meet buckshot or a shovel. Now I will have to ask how this rope got in your playroom in the first place. Perhaps a gift from one of your cats? They do love to share with us when they catch something. In closing I will tell you all I'm on the way to my first engine show tomorrow night. I've been to festivals and fairs that had engines, and that is where my love for hit and miss begin many years ago. This will be my first show billed as an engine show. The short one and I will drive to Goodland, KS and spend the night tomorrow. On Saturday morning we'll drive the few miles to Bird City, KS to attend the show for most of the day, and then drive back home. It ain't Portland or Cool Springs, or any of the other big ones, but I'm excited. Hope to have lots of pictures to share next week. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:19 AM Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom > Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found > our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. > We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse engine > but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose in the > playroom > as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. There is no > doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It is brown with > diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be outlined > in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width like a > milksnake > and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - its tail is > about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. The > snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about 24" > inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we > haven't seen it since. hmm. > Glenn Wilson > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Reg & > Margaret Ingold > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:34 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > Ah, Jeff, we have the same troubles in life! (But at least the workshop is > safe) VBG > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:25 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > > Luke, > > > > Great story. Wish I could get my wife interested in this. The look on her > > face when I bring an engine home is priceless also. About the same look > she > > gives our grandson when he shows her the latest snake he caught. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Jul 29 19:15:34 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:15:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom References: Message-ID: <07b201c475db$18b92150$0400a8c0@Dave> > Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found > our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. > Glenn Wilson Hi Glenn, For goodness sake, don't be such a WOSS! A 24" timber rattler is just a baby. He is more afraid of you than you are of him! The little guy is just playing with you. Contact me off List and I'll tell you about some games that he might like. Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Jul 29 19:27:14 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:27:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom References: Message-ID: <004e01c475dc$ba28fdc0$0400a8c0@Dave> The anti-freeze will work well on them as well. Dave PS, Did you know that the more times you run over a cat the flatter it gets? > We have 5 cats :(( > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > cgandree at mchsi.com > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 10:04 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom > > > Glenn, > Old farmer remedy...put some used antifreeze in a shallow pan providing you > have no other pets around the playroom and Mr Snake will eventually get > thristy and drink the green beverage and fall asleep.....permanently! > good luck, > Curt > > Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found > > our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. > > We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse engine > > but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose in the > > playroom > > as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. There is no > > doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It is brown > with > > diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be outlined > > in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width like a > > milksnake > > and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - its tail > is > > about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. The > > snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about 24" > > inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we > > haven't seen it since. hmm. > > Glenn Wilson > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Reg & > > Margaret Ingold > > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:34 AM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > > > > Ah, Jeff, we have the same troubles in life! (But at least the workshop > is > > safe) VBG > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jeff Allen" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:25 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > > > > > Luke, > > > > > > Great story. Wish I could get my wife interested in this. The look on > her > > > face when I bring an engine home is priceless also. About the same look > > she > > > gives our grandson when he shows her the latest snake he caught. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Jul 29 19:50:55 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:50:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom References: <07b201c475db$18b92150$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <000f01c475e0$0a5c1ef0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Very rude Dave There may be others that would like to know the games to play with rattlers. Why would you keep it off list? Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom > > Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found > > our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. > > Glenn Wilson > Hi Glenn, > For goodness sake, don't be such a WOSS! A 24" timber rattler is just a > baby. He is more afraid of you than you are of him! The little guy is just > playing with you. Contact me off List and I'll tell you about some games > that he might like. > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Jul 29 19:50:30 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:50:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom Message-ID: <20040729.225828.808.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hey Luke - Don't know and don't want to find out. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Jul 29 19:57:45 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:57:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Moved to Museum!!! References: <7a.5d4bf91e.2e3ae059@aol.com> Message-ID: <00b101c475e1$005a3620$0400a8c0@Dave> > Photos of today's work is on the webshots site at > http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine > These last two days have certainly been good ones for us! Thanks to everyone > on the SEL wrecking crew whose work eight years ago dismantling this engine > made today's success possible!!! > Rick Rowlands Thanks for the memories Rick--and keep up the good work! Dave From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Jul 29 20:06:22 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:06:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT (way OT!) advice on how to sell business needed References: <01f301c4755f$aeab6eb0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <002101c475e2$3204f1a0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Bill, You are in a tough position not owning the building. I had a buddy try to sell his business some years ago and he was in a similar situation. He didn't own the building. The deal fell through because the owner would not lease to a buyer at the same rate. If the Masonic Lodge will agree to commit the same rate to a buyer you are in good shape. If not you have an inventory to sell off. Your low rent rate is part of your profit and any buyer will look at that. The "blue sky" won't fly if the business has to move to another location. You have an established customer base at an established location and that is your selling point if it works out. Best of luck. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:31 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] OT (way OT!) advice on how to sell business needed > >>how to get food on the table after you no longer have an income from your > wife's quilt shop<< > > I've now got a full time job. I start Friday, decent job, though not as good > as I'm used to, the benefits will be good. > That means that BOTH of us will have full time jobs and thus little time to > put into the things that it takes to own a business. > > The building is leased from the Masonic Lodge (they are not-for-profit as > far as IRS is concerned and have always kept rent LOW) > It's in Valley Junction - a tourist area of West Des Moines. > > There has been profit in each of the 5 years we've had it. > Inventory - it's packed to the gills. Inventory has grown in each of the 5 > years we've had it. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:43 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT (way OT!) advice on how to sell business needed > > > Hi Bill, > One thing that you need to plan for is how to get food on the table > after you no longer have an income from your wife's quilt shop. That, it > seems to me, is the most important thing that needs to be considered! > As to the value of the business, start out with the value of the > inventory and then multiply it by 0.75. Add to that the replacement cost of > the building. Be honest here--we all think that what we own is worth more > that any buyer will! (75% of your estimate, again, is probably right unless > you get a professional agent to evaluate the structure.) > As to the value of the business itself, if it's only "paid it's own way" > (that is, if there is no profit at the end of the year) it's not worth > anything. If there has been a profit, I believe the rule of thumb is 10 > times the yearly profit. Perhaps someone in business can comment on this "10 > rule." > In any event, good luck with the selling venture. Let us know how it > goes and how you intend to put food on the table once the business is sold! > Dave > PS, You might want to consider carrying the mortgage yourself on a land > contract. That way if the buyer defaults you get the business/building back. > > > Since there are so many great minds out here, thought I would ask this > > group. I know there are doctors, mechanics, judges and heaven forbid, > > probably > even > > lawyers out here. > > Time to sell - wife wants to get back to normal life. > > We've done this for 5.5 years and it's time to move on. > > She wants to sell the quilt store. > > Running it was easy compared to what it seems to take to sell. Anyone > > know how to value the thing and how to go about it - or more > > importantly, how to NOT go about it? > > > > Anyone know what SDCF and/or EBITDA cash flow are and how to get to > > that? It's been successful, it's paid its own way and has survived > > competition > and > > economic downturn but we want our time back! > > > > So what do we do - or not do? > > > > Bill > > Runnells, Iowa, USA > > > > "and tho my race was thought immune, > > Themselves they did consume. > > So be warned, or be mourned tomorrow" > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From maytag_eradication_initiative at yahoo.com Thu Jul 29 20:48:24 2004 From: maytag_eradication_initiative at yahoo.com (Hugh Jorgan) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom In-Reply-To: <050401c475cf$2229eeb0$e2687343@solar> Message-ID: <20040730034824.91145.qmail@web50307.mail.yahoo.com> Hey there Winslow, Better get it out of the "playroom" before it gets really hungry. They can get really agressive when they are hungry. You need to draw him out by offering him some sort of food. Snakes like rodents. A gerbil will do. Drop your pants, bend over and he will be able to smell gerbil. When he comes out of hiding, run for the door, let him follow you and then run back in and shut the door. Obviously, this wouldn't work for some folks, but anyone who has a "playroom" obviously is into something a little different from the hetero world. You could call the cops and let them deal with it. Who knows, maybe you will get lucky and get the cop that used to be in the Village People. Wouldn't that just be dreamy! Good Luck, Hugh Jorgan Maytag Eradication Initiative > > > > >From: "Glenn Wilson" > > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > > > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > >Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom > > >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:19:23 -0400 > > > > > >Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we > just found > > >our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our > playroom. > > >We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse > engine > > >but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose > in the > > >playroom > > >as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. > There is no > > >doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It > is brown > > >with > > >diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be > outlined > > >in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width > like a > > >milksnake > > >and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - > its tail > is > > >about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. > The > > >snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about > 24" > > >inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and > we > > >haven't seen it since. hmm. > > >Glenn Wilson > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - > it's FREE! > > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From wilson at stny.rr.com Thu Jul 29 21:53:12 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:53:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom In-Reply-To: <002401c475d0$39d11e70$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: I do NOT know how this snake came here... We are right on the edge of its range. One thing I can tell you is that 2 trailers came up from AR where AR is right in the middle of its range..... One trailer had the 60HP engine on it and it could easily have hidden inside it. The other trailer - same deal with the exhaust pipe etc... -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Allen Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 8:58 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom Glen, My grandson came up with the perfect solution when I mentioned your snake. He wants it. All you have to do is catch it and ship it to Colorado. :) Great idea, but I had to say no. Didn't even ask Grandma. I know her answer. Here are a couple links on timber rattlers: http://www.mpm.edu/collect/vertzo/herp/timber/factshe1.html http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/land/er/factsheets/herps/timber.htm Seems their numbers are declining and they are protected in some states, so if you kill it, keep your mouth shut. The second link has how to catch it, and what to do if you want to keep it alive. Hotline number included. Personally any venomous snake in or near my house would meet buckshot or a shovel. Now I will have to ask how this rope got in your playroom in the first place. Perhaps a gift from one of your cats? They do love to share with us when they catch something. In closing I will tell you all I'm on the way to my first engine show tomorrow night. I've been to festivals and fairs that had engines, and that is where my love for hit and miss begin many years ago. This will be my first show billed as an engine show. The short one and I will drive to Goodland, KS and spend the night tomorrow. On Saturday morning we'll drive the few miles to Bird City, KS to attend the show for most of the day, and then drive back home. It ain't Portland or Cool Springs, or any of the other big ones, but I'm excited. Hope to have lots of pictures to share next week. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:19 AM Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom > Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found > our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. > We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse engine > but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose in the > playroom > as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. There is no > doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It is brown with > diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be outlined > in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width like a > milksnake > and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - its tail is > about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. The > snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about 24" > inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we > haven't seen it since. hmm. > Glenn Wilson > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Reg & > Margaret Ingold > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:34 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > Ah, Jeff, we have the same troubles in life! (But at least the workshop is > safe) VBG > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:25 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > > Luke, > > > > Great story. Wish I could get my wife interested in this. The look on her > > face when I bring an engine home is priceless also. About the same look > she > > gives our grandson when he shows her the latest snake he caught. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wilson at stny.rr.com Thu Jul 29 21:57:02 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:57:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom In-Reply-To: <20040730034824.91145.qmail@web50307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: my "playroom" started out containing a pool table and ping pong table on top of it. It now contains 45 antique fans, stacks and stacks of test equipment, 500 music CDs, a computer, books, 30,000 key blanks and several key machines, machining tools in a gerstner tool box etc etc etc etc - a grown up guy's "playroom" now :) Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Hugh Jorgan Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 11:48 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom Hey there Winslow, Better get it out of the "playroom" before it gets really hungry. They can get really agressive when they are hungry. You need to draw him out by offering him some sort of food. Snakes like rodents. A gerbil will do. Drop your pants, bend over and he will be able to smell gerbil. When he comes out of hiding, run for the door, let him follow you and then run back in and shut the door. Obviously, this wouldn't work for some folks, but anyone who has a "playroom" obviously is into something a little different from the hetero world. You could call the cops and let them deal with it. Who knows, maybe you will get lucky and get the cop that used to be in the Village People. Wouldn't that just be dreamy! Good Luck, Hugh Jorgan Maytag Eradication Initiative > > > > >From: "Glenn Wilson" > > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > > > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > >Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom > > >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:19:23 -0400 > > > > > >Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we > just found > > >our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our > playroom. > > >We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse > engine > > >but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose > in the > > >playroom > > >as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. > There is no > > >doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It > is brown > > >with > > >diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be > outlined > > >in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width > like a > > >milksnake > > >and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - > its tail > is > > >about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. > The > > >snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about > 24" > > >inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and > we > > >haven't seen it since. hmm. > > >Glenn Wilson > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - > it's FREE! > > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jul 29 15:58:15 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:58:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder Epoxy References: <00ed01c4758e$b0ba4620$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <010901c47611$7dd8d360$170d1bd3@athlon> The New Eay I did over 10 years back is still going ok. A light sandblast of the areas, filled with Belzona and wiped with a piston ring did the job. Not as good as a sleeve but a lot cheaper for an engine that only runs now and then at a show. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "Engine List" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 3:08 AM Subject: [SEL] Cylinder Epoxy Last year there was a healthy discussion pertaining to using epoxy, like JB Weld to fill pits in cylinder walls. I have an old Hercules that is in dire need of such a fix. Details and proceedures will be appreciated. Thanks in advance Dave Ernst _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jul 29 15:53:43 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:53:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present / Magnet Recharge References: Message-ID: <010801c47611$7d295980$170d1bd3@athlon> I am sure Bill Loupolis has his gear at Portland. Say hi to them all there for me mate. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 12:59 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present / Magnet Recharge > Shirley's buzz rig really isn't ready to go to a show. The Webster mag isn't > able to fire the engine. It throws a spark when I trip the mag with a > screwdriver on the workbench, but when it is on the engine it won't run it. > I unhooked the wire from the Webster and grounded it out, then hooked up a > battery and coil and it popped right off. Of course I couldn't run it long > as the points are normally closed and the coil heats up after about 20 to 30 > minutes. I'm thinking/hoping it just needs the magnets recharged. Does > anybody know if I can get this done at Portland? Not sure if any vendors are > capable of doing this out in the field in the sale area? > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ============================== > > >From: "Richard Strobel" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "SEL email discussion list" > >Subject: [SEL] Magnet Recharge > >Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:50:56 -0600 > > > >Howdy all; > > Well I can't say enough on how well my engines start after recharging > >the > >magnets on the Websters. The little Gal (2 1/4 hp.) was quite onry and had > >to break sweat in order to get her going. Now it starts on the second > >pull. > >Eco was a good starter but a recharge didn't hurt her either. Will be > >interesting to see what the sawrig will do, but on the table it throws a > >pretty good spark. > > I wouldn't have thot a hot spark compared to a weak spark would have > >made > >that much difference. > > btw, this charger has coils made of very healthy "flat on both sides" > >wire. I'm using 12vdc. > > > >"Happy Camper" > > > >RickinMt. > >http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Jul 30 04:08:03 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:08:03 +0000 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom - OT Message-ID: I suggested to her that I pin down the head and pick him up. She wasn't too fond of that idea. I wasn't either once I could hear it hissing at me. So I told her to go and get my camera while I was poking at it. Not much sympathy from me. That's funny you mentioned the black snake, a couple years ago we saw one next to our wood pile. It must have been 5 feet long and it was FAST! That one gave me the willies. I found a picture of a Milk Snake that looks similar. http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/resources/ummz_herpetology/05.herp.jpg Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========================== >From: Arnie Fero >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: RE: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom - OT >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:16:51 -0400 (EDT) > >Hi Luke, > >He sorta looks like a copperhead.... >http://www.snakesandfrogs.com/scra/snakes/copperh.htm >http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/wildlife/resources/wildnotes/pub373.htm > >Too bad you didn't get a nice closeup of the head that would show the >pits. Get a lot closer next time, OK? 8-))) > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - I HOPE you gave Shirley lots of sympathy. Friend spouse encountered >a five-foot black snake while hanging clothes. Made it back to the porch >(~20 feet) in one great leap. My mistake was in going to check out the >really cool big black snake first. 8-)) Here's a peek at one... >http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/StratfordLandingES/Ecology/mpages/black_rat_snake.htm > _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From cgandree at mchsi.com Fri Jul 30 04:12:29 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:12:29 +0000 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom Message-ID: <073020041112.3786.4abb@mchsi.com> Yup Glenn, we ve got five cats too, thats why I cautioned the use of antifreeze. The Old Farmer who told me the antifreeze trick used this sure kill method for rats and coons in his barn. Personally I have used it for rats in my engine shed with great success but the cats can not get in there. Curt > We have 5 cats :(( > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > cgandree at mchsi.com > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 10:04 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom > > > Glenn, > Old farmer remedy...put some used antifreeze in a shallow pan providing you > have no other pets around the playroom and Mr Snake will eventually get > thristy and drink the green beverage and fall asleep.....permanently! > good luck, > Curt > > Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found > > our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. > > We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse engine > > but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose in the > > playroom > > as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. There is no > > doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It is brown > with > > diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be outlined > > in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width like a > > milksnake > > and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - its tail > is > > about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. The > > snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about 24" > > inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we > > haven't seen it since. hmm. > > Glenn Wilson > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Reg & > > Margaret Ingold > > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:34 AM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > > > > Ah, Jeff, we have the same troubles in life! (But at least the workshop > is > > safe) VBG > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jeff Allen" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:25 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > > > > > Luke, > > > > > > Great story. Wish I could get my wife interested in this. The look on > her > > > face when I bring an engine home is priceless also. About the same look > > she > > > gives our grandson when he shows her the latest snake he caught. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Jul 30 04:28:57 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:28:57 +0000 Subject: way OT [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom Message-ID: Hey Curt, you found it! It was the hog nose. When I put him down in the weeds he rolled over belly up. I thought I killed it but know I didn't do any harm. I rolled him top side up and he immediately rolled back over belly up. I knew if he was dead he couldn't roll himself over. I went in to get Brooklynn and when we came back it was gone. We had a skunk going through the back yard later that evening. Shirley hollered that we have a friend in the back yard. I saw the skunk back there and grabbed the camera and headed out to see how close I could get with out him wheeling around backwards to spray me. I know how close to get but that's a story for another time. I can have Shirley tell you all about that at Portland! http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/skunk1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/skunk2.jpg Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =============================== >From: Curt Holland >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: way OT [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:16:41 -0400 > >Luke, >Have always enjoyed snakes and had quite a few while growing up. All the >neighbors call me when they have a snake in the yard or house. I gather >them up and release them to the safety of the woods. >Markings like the one you pictured would scare a southerner good, >immediately fearing copperhead. >I did a search on snakes in your are and here is the link. >http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Reserve/7416/mi.html or >http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=snakes+of+michigan&page=1&offset=2&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D14fd0405d9f2c20d%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26userQuery%3Dsnakes%2Bof%2Bmichigan%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.geocities.com%252FPetsburgh%252FReserve%252F7416%252Fmi.html%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DnsBrowserRoll%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2FPetsburgh%2FReserve%2F7416%2Fmi.html >Eastern Hognose snake looks familiar and the caption says they play dead >when provoked. >However, look at this link or the last photo! >http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=snakes+of+michigan&page=1&offset=2&result_url=redir?src=websearch&requestId=14fd0405d9f2c20d&clickedItemRank=1&userQuery=snakes+of+michigan&clickedItemURN=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2FPetsburgh%2FReserve%2F7416%2Fmi.html&invocationType=-&fromPage=nsBrowserRoll&Test=1&remove_url=http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Reserve/7416/mi.html > >I put your picture and this picture side by side on the monitor and the >marking on the head, over the eyes, and down the neck are VERY similiar. No >rattle? >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > >Luke Tonneberger wrote: > >>Hi Everybody, >> >>Not sure what kind of snake this is but Shirley about stepped on it while >>she was going out to hang up some laundry on the clothes line this past >>Saturday afternoon. It was about 16 inches long. After poking at it with a >>broom handle to get him to go on his way he sorta coiled up, raised his >>head, and hissed a few times. You can see him donig this in the second >>picture. I was able to dangle him off the broom handle and put him out in >>the weeds. He never did try to bite at the broom handle. Shirley watched >>from faaaaar away as she is very afraid of snakes. When I get time I'm >>going to try and see what type of snake it was. >> >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-005s.jpg >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-008s.jpg >> >>Luke Tonneberger >>Rockford, Michigan >>USA _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From adamcottrill at telstra.com Fri Jul 30 04:28:21 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:28:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] National Rally Cost Message-ID: <47b70f479851.47985147b70f@email.bigpond.com> Hey Reg, if you think im personally attacking you with little digs, im sorry but that is not my intention and in my opinion is not the case. In my view since YOU started the thread on the list about cost, of which I agreed with you several times is 100% correct it seemed logical to me you would be the point of call to response since you seem to represent those with the same opinion. The point im trying to make is you found a problem and said something about of which several times I congratulated you for doing so. However that being said since you are so passionate about the National provide some solutions on how the organisers could cut costs. If you are lost for ideas or suggestions please say so no one will knock you for not knowing. The information I gave you in the last email was exactly that "for your information" which means Reg people have been taking your (and the other comments) thoughts seriously and are trying to work out ways to address them in the best possible way and in turn are asking for outside help........ yours and everyone elses on the list! Please explain the problem of this to me? I share your views Reg lower cost benefits us all, however im not throwing my hands up in the air and putting it in the to hard basket, im trying to be proactive and make this rally the best it can be something im sure you will agree would be in every exhibitors best interest. Of trying I am guilty 100%, and I accept your remarks about me personally however as you so kindly mentioned we are no here to snip each other but to help make this hobby continue and be great for everyone involved and in that interest I again welcome 100% your input and comment to the National and anything else in regards to the hobby you may feel about and congratulate you on your courage in doing what you have so far, the hobby and directlty the National Im sure will be better because of it. So without insult, offence or anything else please anyone who may have some suggestions about reducing the costs of the National please voice them for the points mentioned above. Kind regards, Adam From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jul 30 05:24:35 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom (OT) In-Reply-To: <4160AB28-E1AF-11D8-BFFE-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> References: <4160AB28-E1AF-11D8-BFFE-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: And, as the cats could tell you, don't forget that rattlesnake tastes like chicken. 8-)) On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, John Culp wrote: > Good cats will team up and kill a rattlesnake. We had cats in Alabama > that would do it. One cat would sneak up behind and grab its head while > others out front kept it distracted. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jul 30 06:05:23 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] National Rally Cost In-Reply-To: <47b70f479851.47985147b70f@email.bigpond.com> References: <47b70f479851.47985147b70f@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: Hi Adam, On Fri, 30 Jul 2004, Adam Cottrill wrote: > So without insult, offence or anything else please anyone who may have > some suggestions about reducing the costs of the National please voice > them for the points mentioned above. The talent on the list is pretty diverse. I think the thing that would be the most useful in eliciting specific recommendations for cost reduction would be to see a detailed budget for the upcoming national. ISTR $300,000 to put the event on? Also useful would be the detailed actuals from the last two nationals. That would provide some "meat" to chew on. Otherwise, you've already gotten a number of good general suggestions and a strong suggestion to talk to the good folks who put on the Portland show each year. Portland is a MUCH bigger affair than the National in Oz. I have no idea what their budget is, but the event is free to exhibitors and their families, $5 to visitors, with cheap food and camping. I think the ball's in your court Adam. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA USA fero_ah at city-net.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Jul 30 06:20:28 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:20:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gas tank holdown References: <010b01c4731d$b5446220$6401a8c0@john> Message-ID: > Hi Rick, > Don't know if I've showed you this before, but here's what was on > mine. > Little tabs that were soldered in places around the bottom of the tank, > which were secured to the base with screws. Here they are.... > http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/tab1.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/tab2.jpg > Hope this helps, > John Mines a little different John. There are no tabs or evidence there of. Just the 1" inch band around the center. Pictures 2 & 3 at this link show it and the holes in the frame rails top. Disregard the last picture. Even at 200 rpm it turns too fast to be a tumbler. http://community.webshots.com/album/88886243mzpsZq/3 Any help with this holdown would be appreciated. RickinMt From jhcullom at adelphia.net Fri Jul 30 06:31:00 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:31:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gas tank holdown References: <010b01c4731d$b5446220$6401a8c0@john> Message-ID: <00f601c47639$7403dc40$6401a8c0@john> Hummm, well, you could devise 4 small clamps that fit over the edge of the lip on the bottom of the tank. I couldn't tell you how they did it originally, I've not seen anything describing it in my literature. I didn't use the tabs on mine for fear they would be weak. I just used several round head bolts with large heads that fit over the lip on mine. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" > Mines a little different John. There are no tabs or evidence there of. > Just the 1" inch band around the center. Pictures 2 & 3 at this link show > it and the holes in the frame rails top. From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Fri Jul 30 07:35:46 2004 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:35:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mr Rattlesnake Message-ID: >We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we >haven't seen it since. hmm. >Glenn Wilson Keep a CO2 fire extinguisher handy. Next time you see him, chill the dude right out and do with him what you wish. You can either slow him down a little or a lot, or put him out of your misery. Once he thaws, skin him... Too small for a belt, maybe for a kid... Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Lenexa, KS sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Overwhelmed by debt? Find out how to ?Dig Yourself Out of Debt? from MSN Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0407debt.armx From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jul 30 09:12:47 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Moved to Museum!!! In-Reply-To: <7a.5d4bf91e.2e3ae059@aol.com> References: <7a.5d4bf91e.2e3ae059@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Rick, Thanks for this update!!! It really has been an AMAZING project so far! I remember vividly nearly ten years ago when you first posted to the list about the discovery of the Tod Engine and your request for help to save it from becoming scrap iron. I also VIVIDLY remember meeting for the first time this skinny kid covered in Tod Engine grease as he articulated his vision for saving and restoring this 600,000 pound monster with all volunteer help. And the really cool thing is that you NEVER lost your vision!!! I'm incredibly proud to have been a part of it and continue to be amazed at what you accomplish with next to no funding and amazing will. BTW here's a good pic of the "skinny kid" with the "discovery." 8-)) http://www.todengine.org/images/photo_atbh.jpg For those of you who are less familiar with the project, take a look at the web site (and order the CD!!). http://www.todengine.org/ I would also STRONGLY encourage volunteering to help. Cleaning and painting always goes faster with more hands. And this beast is BIG so there's room to work without getting in someone's way. 8-)) Thanks again for the update!! I can't wait till the time that she rolls over again!!!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 Za3Sh at aol.com wrote: > Photos of today's work is on the webshots site at > http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine > > For the remainder of the year the Tod Engine Foundation will focus on filling > in and constructing the concrete pad for the high pressure side of the > engine, and cleaning and painting the parts that are at the museum site. > > These last two days have certainly been good ones for us! Thanks to everyone > on the SEL wrecking crew whose work eight years ago dismantling this engine > made today's success possible!!! > > Rick Rowlands > Tod Engine Foundation > Youngstown, OH > www.todengine.org From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Jul 30 09:57:51 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:57:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Moved to Museum!!! Message-ID: Hi Rick, Thanks for taking the pics and putting them up. It was exciting to click through all the pics on the site. I've seen some of them before but it doesn't get old looking at them. The size of these pieces just blows me away! It was neat to see the pics of the concrete at the museum site. Looks really nice. Is there any type of drain in the bottom of the flywheel pit? Do you keep it covered to keep the rain water out? What fills up the gap from the concrete pad to the bottom of the low pressure bedplate? Is this where the grout goes? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================== >From: Za3Sh at aol.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Moved to Museum!!! >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:20:57 EDT > >Yesterday two 50 ton hydraulic cranes and four semi trucks from Grim's >Crane >service arrived at the plate mill building at V&M Star Steel in Girard, OH >to >begin loading out parts of the Tod Engine for shipment to the future Tod >Engine Museum site. By the end of the day one of the flywheel halves was >on a >trailer and the LP bedplate was ready to lift. > >Today we successfully moved both halves of the flywheel, low pressure >bedplate and LP soleplate to the Tod Engine Museum site. The LP bedplate >and sole >plate were placed into position on the concrete, and one flywheel half was >placed into the pit. A total of 239,000 lbs. of engien parts were moved in >a >convoy this afternoon. > >Tommorrow we will complete this phase of the project by unloading the >remaining flywheel half and doing some fine adjustments on the locations of >the >bedplate, to assure that they will line up with the crank and flywheel when >the >remainder of the engine is assembled. > >We had full media coverage for the move. All three local TV network >affiliates had newscrews for interviews, the Youngstown Vindicator sent a >reporter as >well as the local Business Journal. Mr. David Tod, one of our past >benefactors, also was on hand to view the work in progress. The Tod Family >is still quite >interested in the project, and the son of William Tod, of whose company >built >our engine, will be in town and I plan to give him a personal tour of the >engine and grounds. > >After tommorrow's work the riggers will return in about a week to move and >set the low pressure cylinder. After that is completed the only parts that >will >remain at V&M Star Steel will be the high pressure bedplate, cylinder and >crankshaft. These parts will move early next year. > >Photos of today's work is on the webshots site at >http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine > >For the remainder of the year the Tod Engine Foundation will focus on >filling >in and constructing the concrete pad for the high pressure side of the >engine, and cleaning and painting the parts that are at the museum site. > >These last two days have certainly been good ones for us! Thanks to >everyone >on the SEL wrecking crew whose work eight years ago dismantling this engine >made today's success possible!!! > >Rick Rowlands >Tod Engine Foundation >Youngstown, OH >www.todengine.org _________________________________________________________________ Planning a family vacation? Check out the MSN Family Travel guide! http://dollar.msn.com From asouth at strato.net Fri Jul 30 11:07:21 2004 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:07:21 -0400 Subject: OT Re: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom References: <20040729.102025.716.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <002f01c47660$101d2520$d500a8c0@ARTHUR> I think if that was me - I'd HAVE to know where it is AT ALL TIMES !!! I wouldn't want to kill it (Maybe) because I feel thay're just trying to make a living but - I would make it so he doesn't want to be there. Good luck and safe hunting. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com There are some things that deserve Killin', and rattle snakes are one of them. To each his own. One of those things comes into my territory, it's DEAD! There used to be so many folks bitten down here in Fla. that a local man made a darn good living for 30 odd years making "rattle snake (proof) leggings". Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Jul 30 10:55:01 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:55:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gas tank holdown References: <010b01c4731d$b5446220$6401a8c0@john> <00f601c47639$7403dc40$6401a8c0@john> Message-ID: > Hummm, well, you could devise 4 small clamps that fit over the edge of the > lip on the bottom of the tank. Thanks pard! That's pretty much the way I was thinking also. Spud wants me to use a brass 1" band with 4 holdown studs which would work also. Catcha later, Rick From jrowland3 at neo.rr.com Fri Jul 30 11:55:14 2004 From: jrowland3 at neo.rr.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:55:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Moved to Museum!!! References: Message-ID: <003201c47666$bfbd1c00$a4291941@neo.rr.com> Luke, I have a 5 gallon bucket in the floor of the pit in which I put a pump. It is set up so that at some point in the future I can dig down behind the pit and tie a drain line into that sump pit and turn it into a drain. There is plenty of fall to drain by gravity. I haven't done the drain line yet because there is a house trailer and lots of parts in the path of the drain. The pit will fill up some with water until the building is built. I am not concerned with it because there is so much grease on the flywheel that it will be well protected. That grease is a tenaceous, sticky goo and won't wash off in a hundred years! That space, about 20", between pad and bedplate will eventually be filled with concrete up to the bedplate. The engine will be blocked and leveled beforehand. Grout is just portland cement and sand, and we may be able to get by with just concreteing up to the bedplate without using grout. BTW we set the LP soleplate directly on the pad, and it came out perfectly level! Apparently we must have been pretty accurate when we poured the pad. I just have to lift the rear of the bedplate up about 2" using jacks to get that piece perfectly level. Probably do that next wek after I make up a couple of pedestals to set it on. Also, the wrecking crew may remember laying on our backs removing those bolts that attached the soleplate and bedplate. Working conditions didn't get any better when I put them back in this morning. Was flat on my back holding a 15 pound bolt up three feet inside the casting and screwing it in during a pouring rainstorm while the riggers were dry in their truck! Rick From jrowland3 at neo.rr.com Fri Jul 30 11:58:35 2004 From: jrowland3 at neo.rr.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:58:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Moved to Museum!!! References: Message-ID: <00ac01c47667$3803d1e0$a4291941@neo.rr.com> Take a look at www.business-journal.com for an article on the engine move. Rick From diesel at easynet.co.uk Fri Jul 30 12:15:18 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:15:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Moved to Museum!!! In-Reply-To: <00ac01c47667$3803d1e0$a4291941@neo.rr.com> References: <00ac01c47667$3803d1e0$a4291941@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: <6e7lg052iqv3mpitjcd392sp5bq50232up@4ax.com> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:58:35 -0400, you wrote: >Take a look at www.business-journal.com for an article on the engine move. > >Rick You need to get more publicity like that, also you need to be able to mention that volunteers, donations of materiel and $$'s are also needed. It is certainly an impressive achievement, well done!. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Jul 30 14:35:54 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:35:54 EDT Subject: [SEL] list mail help Message-ID: <7e.54971bac.2e3c193a@aol.com> Yesterday I noticed I was missing some list mail after noting that I only had a few and then checking with the archives for July. Today I received none and counted 18 posts in the archives. I checked to make sure I was still active in the list and all boxes properly checked. My list information also notes that I am having mail bounced again 3.0 out of 5.0 it says. I have been having this problem off and on for some time now and every time I contact AOL, they inform me that Spencer has to contact them to resolve the problem. I have gone directly to the AOL Postmaster Team without resolve on my part as they will not talk to me about the problem. I have sent Spencer emails about my problems and to contact AOL, and then they clear up for a while, but I now feel that I am worrying him too much with my problem and AOL. I have no email/spam/etc., blockers of any kind in my computer. I receive all regular emails without failure. It is just mail coming from the list. It is also apparently just list mail coming thru AOL, as I do not hear of problems with the rest of you folks. I am on AOL 5.0. Does anyone have any ideas what to do to continue on the list without worrying someone all the time, or its it just time for me to say good by to the list. Other than this recent problem, I have not had much problems with AOL and sort of hesitant to change at this time. Also understand that I am not very computer savvy, do not down load much into it, never had a worm in 6 years now, so what ever I do must work except for this problem. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rexhinz at chorus.net Fri Jul 30 14:40:08 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:40:08 -0500 Subject: way OT [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom References: <41094D19.7030804@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004101c4767d$ca2309e0$3486a5d8@mycomputer> I think Curt has it right , I have caught around 5 Hog nose snakes in my yard and put them in in the wooded area in my back yard (wife goes nuts at the site of em) they hiss ,spit, regurgatate and some times rattle their tail aganst something to make a rattler sound , they are harmless , but be safe if your not 100 % sure , stay out striking range , let em go , if you have kids and pets take them to a remote place and carefully release them , :-)) Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:16 PM Subject: way OT [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom > Luke, > Have always enjoyed snakes and had quite a few while growing up. All the > neighbors call me when they have a snake in the yard or house. I gather > them up and release them to the safety of the woods. > Markings like the one you pictured would scare a southerner good, > immediately fearing copperhead. > I did a search on snakes in your are and here is the link. > http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Reserve/7416/mi.html or > http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=snakes+of+michigan&page=1&offset=2&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D14fd0405d9f2c20d%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26userQuery%3Dsnakes%2Bof%2Bmichigan%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.geocities.com%252FPetsburgh%252FReserve%252F7416%252Fmi.html%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DnsBrowserRoll%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2FPetsburgh%2FReserve%2F7416%2Fmi.html > Eastern Hognose snake looks familiar and the caption says they play dead > when provoked. > However, look at this link or the last photo! > http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=snakes+of+michigan&page=1&offset=2&result_url=redir?src=websearch&requestId=14fd0405d9f2c20d&clickedIt emRank=1&userQuery=snakes+of+michigan&clickedItemURN=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocit ies.com%2FPetsburgh%2FReserve%2F7416%2Fmi.html&invocationType=-&fromPage=nsB rowserRoll&Test=1&remove_url=http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Reserve/7 416/mi.html > > I put your picture and this picture side by side on the monitor and the > marking on the head, over the eyes, and down the neck are VERY similiar. > No rattle? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > > Hi Everybody, > > > > Not sure what kind of snake this is but Shirley about stepped on it > > while she was going out to hang up some laundry on the clothes line > > this past Saturday afternoon. It was about 16 inches long. After > > poking at it with a broom handle to get him to go on his way he sorta > > coiled up, raised his head, and hissed a few times. You can see him > > donig this in the second picture. I was able to dangle him off the > > broom handle and put him out in the weeds. He never did try to bite at > > the broom handle. Shirley watched from faaaaar away as she is very > > afraid of snakes. When I get time I'm going to try and see what type > > of snake it was. > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-005s.jpg > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-008s.jpg > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Fri Jul 30 14:47:10 2004 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:47:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] magneto question Message-ID: <001101c4767e$c5235340$24b74004@dslverizon.net> I have been fooling around with a Maytag mag and am having some problems. I replaced the condenser and reset the points. I had no spark at all and now I get a very feeble spark. I suspect the magnets need recharging. They seem very weak when a screwdriver is touched to them. Does anybody know where to get this done. Any other ideas? Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA, U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net From alanb2 at webtv.net Fri Jul 30 17:16:10 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:16:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] magneto question In-Reply-To: "Jim and Diane" 's message of Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:47:10 -0700 Message-ID: <15028-410AE4CA-3858@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net> Hi Jim, Before someone asks if you have a boat that needs an anchor,,,,, I will ask if you belong to an engine club in your area???? If you do then ask around to see if anyone has a magneto charger? I have seen a Maytag flywheel all set up to get it's magnet charged. I'm sure anyone that has the mag charger will know how to set it up. Alan ~~~~~Jim Kirkes wrote~~~~~ I suspect the magnets need recharging. They seem very weak when a screwdriver is touched to them. Does anybody know where to get this done. Any other ideas? Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA, U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net , , Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From alanb2 at webtv.net Fri Jul 30 17:28:18 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:28:18 -0400 Subject: WOW,,, Fast post return,,,,Re: [SEL] magneto question In-Reply-To: alanb2@webtv.net (Alan Bowen)'s message of Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:16:10 -0400 Message-ID: <15028-410AE7A2-3862@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net> Only 8 minutes before my post showed up here. I have been seeing 30-45 minute delays for over a year. Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Jul 30 17:59:30 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:59:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] magneto question References: <001101c4767e$c5235340$24b74004@dslverizon.net> Message-ID: <019f01c47699$a2c54e50$0400a8c0@Dave> > I have been fooling around with a Maytag mag and am having some problems. > Jim That's SOP with a MAYTAG. It's working just as Fred designed it to work! Dave From clemsweller at earthlink.net Fri Jul 30 20:12:46 2004 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 22:12:46 -0500 Subject: way OT [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom In-Reply-To: <004101c4767d$ca2309e0$3486a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <000e01c476ac$47b2d010$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> We've tried that, but the kids keep coming home anyway! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 4:40 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: way OT [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom I think Curt has it right , I have caught around 5 Hog nose snakes in my yard and put them in in the wooded area in my back yard (wife goes nuts at the site of em) they hiss ,spit, regurgatate and some times rattle their tail aganst something to make a rattler sound , they are harmless , but be safe if your not 100 % sure , stay out striking range , let em go , if you have kids and pets take them to a remote place and carefully release them , :-)) Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:16 PM Subject: way OT [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom > Luke, > Have always enjoyed snakes and had quite a few while growing up. All the > neighbors call me when they have a snake in the yard or house. I gather > them up and release them to the safety of the woods. > Markings like the one you pictured would scare a southerner good, > immediately fearing copperhead. > I did a search on snakes in your are and here is the link. > http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Reserve/7416/mi.html or > http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=snakes+of+michigan&pag e=1&offset=2&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D14fd0405d9 f2c20d%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26userQuery%3Dsnakes%2Bof%2Bmichigan%26clic kedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.geocities.com%252FPetsburgh%252FRese rve%252F7416%252Fmi.html%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DnsBrowserRoll %26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2FPetsbur gh%2FReserve%2F7416%2Fmi.html > Eastern Hognose snake looks familiar and the caption says they play dead > when provoked. > However, look at this link or the last photo! > http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=snakes+of+michigan&pag e=1&offset=2&result_url=redir?src=websearch&requestId=14fd0405d9f2c20d&c lickedIt emRank=1&userQuery=snakes+of+michigan&clickedItemURN=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ge ocit ies.com%2FPetsburgh%2FReserve%2F7416%2Fmi.html&invocationType=-&fromPage =nsB rowserRoll&Test=1&remove_url=http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Reser ve/7 416/mi.html > > I put your picture and this picture side by side on the monitor and the > marking on the head, over the eyes, and down the neck are VERY similiar. > No rattle? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > > Hi Everybody, > > > > Not sure what kind of snake this is but Shirley about stepped on it > > while she was going out to hang up some laundry on the clothes line > > this past Saturday afternoon. It was about 16 inches long. After > > poking at it with a broom handle to get him to go on his way he sorta > > coiled up, raised his head, and hissed a few times. You can see him > > donig this in the second picture. I was able to dangle him off the > > broom handle and put him out in the weeds. He never did try to bite at > > the broom handle. Shirley watched from faaaaar away as she is very > > afraid of snakes. When I get time I'm going to try and see what type > > of snake it was. > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-005s.jpg > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-008s.jpg > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Jul 30 20:32:20 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 23:32:20 -0400 Subject: OT Re: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom Message-ID: <20040730.233505.1092.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Art, I can't tell you how to think. I just don't think an animal - any animal - deserves to be killed just because he crossed paths with a human. Humans are supposed to be the intelligent one. As much as I wouldn't want it in my place - I think it should given the chance to be free. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:07:21 -0400 "Arthur Southwell" writes: > I think if that was me - I'd HAVE to know where it is AT ALL TIMES > !!! > I wouldn't want to kill it (Maybe) because I feel thay're just > trying to > make a living > but - I would make it so he doesn't want to be there. > Good luck and safe hunting. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > > There are some things that deserve Killin', and rattle snakes are > one of them. > > To each his own. > > One of those things comes into my territory, it's DEAD! > > There used to be so many folks bitten down here in Fla. that a local > man made a darn good living for 30 odd years making "rattle snake > (proof) leggings". > > > Arthur Southwell > Arthur Southwell Rebuilding > Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. > asouth at strato.net > > > http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html > http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee > http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Jul 30 13:13:30 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:13:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Cumbria Steam Fair References: <002501c47406$cb21c3f0$06856ad5@one> Message-ID: <001a01c47671$aebdc1b0$06856ad5@one> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 7:23 PM Subject: [SEL] Cumbria Steam Fair > We had our yearly weekend in the Lake District. > One good day & one wet, cold & windy. > I have posted some pictures at > http://community.webshots.com/album/167571610Nkxrin > I managed a few unusual pictures such as steam ploughing > with an atomic reactor in the background. > Also a picture of a helicopter just over a ploughing engine. > Someone had made a good job of sectioning a Lister D. > My wife thinks this years plaque is the best ever, weighing > two pounds of brass.(See Fred picture) > Dave Croft Hi, I first posted this four days ago & all the pictures were checked as OK before I posted to the group. Later someone said that some were missing & I found several had disappeared. I reported it to Webshots & they said you had to wait for 70 working hours for pictures to be posted. They have re-appeared today. Has anyone else had problems like this with Webshots? Dave Croft Warrington England http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv British Map http://pub32.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=2692147218 World Map http://pub13.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=1064374771 From diesel at easynet.co.uk Fri Jul 30 23:16:08 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 07:16:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] list mail help In-Reply-To: <7e.54971bac.2e3c193a@aol.com> References: <7e.54971bac.2e3c193a@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:35:54 EDT, you wrote: >Yesterday I noticed I was missing some list mail after noting that I only had >a few and then checking with the archives for July. >Also understand that I am not very computer savvy, do not down load much into >it, never had a worm in 6 years now, so what ever I do must work except for >this problem. > >Thanks, > >Tom Schmutz Tom: Historically, AOL has made its customers use their own proprietary software, rather than letting them use the same as the rest of the world. This has led to the current situation where AOL customers have little choice in selecting software that works properly with other sources and many are the tales of woe from out there from folks who have connectivity and other problems with AOL. I seem to remember that when we were with AOL for a year or so we did find a way of running other software like Netscape, but since then AOL bought up Netscape so that option isn't available now. It's not a simple thing to change an ISP, but if I were you I would give serious thought to looking at making the change. AOL has not been a good option for some years now and while a lot of folks do get on with it, there are far more that have used it, found it wanting and have moved on. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From adamcottrill at telstra.com Sat Jul 31 05:39:41 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 22:39:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Message-ID: <488fe748b808.48b808488fe7@email.bigpond.com> Hi Arnie, great points and suggestions 100% right!!!! Im not sure if previous events balance sheets are avalible as they have been run by different clubs across the country... could you compare apples with apples in that being the case? As for this National some of the expenses are to be in the Press release I mentioned was being drafted a little while back (i will get a date when this is to be released)so I guess in the short term discussion will be about the numbers listed there. However I will ask the question and see (if it isnt included in the press release) if the organisers will disclose more actuals or at least give me access and permission of them so I can ask them on here for you guys to view. I hope Arnie you believe this is pushing the ball enough to get the response you suggested, if not please suggest another angle you feel is required which I can take. Kind regards, Adam From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jul 31 08:08:20 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:08:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cumbria Steam Fair References: <002501c47406$cb21c3f0$06856ad5@one> <001a01c47671$aebdc1b0$06856ad5@one> Message-ID: > Hi, I first posted this four days ago & all the pictures were checked as > OK > before I posted to the group. > Later someone said that some were missing & I found several had > disappeared. > I reported it to Webshots & they said you had to wait for 70 working hours > for > pictures to be posted. They have re-appeared today. > Has anyone else had problems like this with Webshots? Howdy Dave; It was a bit erratic on me the other day. Me thinks the new uploading program is way too fancy. Thanks for the great photo's!! RickinMt. From oldengin at udata.com Sat Jul 31 08:56:15 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 11:56:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally In-Reply-To: <488fe748b808.48b808488fe7@email.bigpond.com> References: <488fe748b808.48b808488fe7@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <410BC11F.5090808@udata.com> Adam Cottrill wrote: >However I will ask the question and see (if it isnt included in the press release) if the organisers will disclose more actuals or at least give me access and permission of them so I can ask them on here for you guys to view. > >I hope Arnie you believe this is pushing the ball enough to get the response you suggested, if not please suggest another angle you feel is required which I can take. > >Kind regards, > Adam > > > Adam, not being a mud slinger here, BUT her is your next angle...... how many of your top brass accept pay for their positions? How many of them also pad themselves with the printing costs, own the printers, or how many of them really ever exhibit?? Ohhh now maybe I see some light here, these fine national folks would rather govern the masses and not worry about the rules them selves? See "IF" the national is as big as you are stating then it looks like they could control the rules (hmmmm I have read this already) and if the fence issue was to be challenged by them it might go away, again who owns the rental fences and also sells fences????????? This press release, is it written by a lawyer, or who gets paid for the writing of it? Also is it true a new one is needed each time you hold a nat. rally ( hmmm every two years different clubs). And how many of these directors, sounding like dictators...., decide the gates and just where the fund go from them? See here in Ahio you have to join to be a member to exhibit, not my rule! but I do join all the shows with which I exhibit, the cost runs me around 5.00-10.00 dollars each, again this is all directly going to the CLUB.... now if you tell me that my membership to your national is good at each and every show you do then this will be a wash. Oh I also think that each club should have the chance to have a member on the national staff too? And as far a camping I pay for this privilege also. again 5.00- 15-00 per event. Did I mention that this includes electric hook-up and a dump station for my ole camper and lest me to forget a hot shower any time of day or night, I missed it, your national has these same advantages? CORRECT???????? after all in today's world even the most out dated events have semis with showers in them for a small fee.. And the cost of electric is near nothing once it is installed..... And food!!!!!!!!!!! At 4 feet 10 inches wide you could say I LOVE TO EAT! see it has become part of my daily habit, but when I do attend shows it is my choosing where and what to eat. After all some shows will feed me "FREE" fresh roasting corn and also fresh melon, again free... And other shows will allow only civic organizations to sell food on there grounds, yeas they purchase the rights to be on the grounds but what a way to build your organizations funds. still others will offer you everything you can imagine to eat again at very little cost.. I even know of one show that has in the past held beer tasting events with the only cost being beers of your liking. Yes your plaques are very very nice and something to admire. ours are plate brass with stencil on them... But let me see,,,,,, if I had to purchase them then it would be a no brainer to pass them up. After all this is still a HOBBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Have you and the other members of your national forgot this? Seems to me that it might be time for you, the national, to do some gut checking. See I can still run my engins at home and enjoy them, I can invite select friends over and also enjoy them, I can probably even talk my friends into allowing me to start there engins and enjoy the sounds of them also. The reason to go to the shows are for John Q. Public... Yes I enjoy the shows and yes I enjoy the fellowship which occurs at these events also... BUT trust me when I tell you I CAN DO THIS AT HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hmmmmmmmmmm now if it is the idea of this national to help cripple the hobby and make lots of money for there own use then maybe, yes MAYBE, you are heading in the right direction... Here in the states, many of the old car collectors started some of the same things I see you doing and now "they" are a select group with their noses in the air, ask them a question and see if you get an honest answer, again many of the recent reading on this list have this taste to them, All posts not one person. Adam, one last question, do you, personal or your national, have signs for your engins that say "PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH" ? ohhh I almost forgot about the fencey thing! PS I have some 6 feet privacy for sale cheap and will it will allow you bathroom use for your next camp outing. Have a nice day -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From jlb94 at juno.com Sat Jul 31 09:54:12 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 12:54:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cumbria Steam Fair Message-ID: <20040731.125800.916.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rick, I haven't had any problems with webshots (that I know of). I think some of us expect too much from this media. If I post something and it shows up within minutes - or hours - I think it's a bonus. If it shows up the next day - I think that's normal. I've been reading posts where people are timing when their post shows up. If it ain't "immediate" they think something's wrong. Just my 2 cents Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Jul 31 21:08:06 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 14:08:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally In-Reply-To: <410BC11F.5090808@udata.com> Message-ID: <200408010408.i71481st007271@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi Leroy, I am not sure if you are trying to be inflammatory or defamatory. The executive of the NHMA are all volunteers. I doubt if any of them even live within a convenient distance of the rally location so the idea of them personally making money out of it is fairly ludicrous. As with most volunteers of a club I am sure that most of their expenses are covered but I doubt if they even claim all of them. I know of many club secretaries who often just wear the cost of posting things rather than claim back a couple of dollars. Decisions are made by the NHMA and often people disagree with them (myself included) but you cannot deny that they are doing a hard job with no material benefits. I am sure that they will listen to the complaints about cost but it may be too late to solve the problem at this National which would be a shame. It will probably still be a great event with lots of engines and tractors but for every person who stays home or goes 'just for a look' the event is diminished. I shall now step down from my battery box (it used to be a soap box but I found another use for it). Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 1 04:19:29 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 05:19:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Missoula show References: <000401c45eb7$0f76b340$01043c0a@DD1BF421> Message-ID: Howdy Dave. Should be there on Saturday and I won't be showing. No trailer yet. See ya there. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Otto" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:29 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Missoula show > Hey Rick, > > Are you still around? I will be heading up to Missoula on Friday with my > wife and kids. We are planning to set up with the Branch 150 folks from > Idaho. Just look for my really shiny 1.5 hp John Deere. > > Will you be displaying any thing, or just looking? > > Dave > > > Dave Otto > Boise, Idaho > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 8:46 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Missoula show > > Howdy all; > Well Kathy and I went to the Lewistown, Mt. (EDGE&Ta) show last > weekend. > Very Kewl 150 hp F-M horizontal, two lunger, two stroke...permanent > display > up and runnin. Lots of tractors..not too many engines. Took some > pictures, > but can't post them as my graphics capability has gone south on this > cyber > box. > > Kathy and I plan on being at the Missoula show on the 3rd..next > month. > Who else plans on coming? I believe Mr. Parks said he'd be there..don't > > know about Skip L. > > Well life is good in Montana....sawrig coming along fine. I found a > > commercial Magnet Recharger that I borrowed..so that's pretty kewl also. > > Ya'll take care, > RickinMt. > "Beauty is in the eyes of the beerholders" > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Jul 1 04:39:51 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:39:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc. Message-ID: <070120041139.19034.7146@mchsi.com> Bill after you take apart the pump try to measure the leathers if they are still there. If not you may have measure the openings and will have make some guesses as to proper sizes. Not too many I don't have. Also need to know if they were flat or cuped. Curt Andree > Hey I forgot to list my Webshots address a few minutes ago > > http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=1 > 57829854 > > Thanks, Curt. Curt. Ken and Tom. For the information. Ken I just added three > more pictures on my Webshots page of a pitcher pump display I saw at the SIAM > show and what I am calling a pump jack is probably something else, look at the > pictures and tell me what that is that is driven by the motor and moves the > arm up and down to operate the pump? Curt Andree I will get back to you on the > pump leathers as soon as I dismantle the pump. > > Thanks friends, > > Bill Miller. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Jul 1 04:56:04 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:56:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally In-Reply-To: <40E05BFB.2D90CEDD@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <200407011209.i61C9W9I028288@heavyiron.atis.net> I enjoyed the pictures Dolly. It looks like a great time was had by all. I am looking forward to Arnie's report being ready in time for me to read to my grandchildren ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Folks I thought maybe you wouldn't want to wait for Arnie's report of the 2004 1000 Engine Rally at Astle Park. I mean, some of us may not live that long! So, to keep you going until you receive his great words of wisdom on the subject, you can take a look at my pages: http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/astle.htm Of course, you don't get all the tech stuff from me, but you can enjoy the pretty pictures anyway! Dolly From stevebarr at ameritech.net Thu Jul 1 08:02:47 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc. In-Reply-To: <070120041139.19034.7146@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20040701150247.19403.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Bill Yes, you do have a vaild pump jack there. I think that it was made in Ohio by Haller. I had a pump jack just like it, but gave it to a friend (who stores many of my engines on his farm). He is working it into another display. His old display which he sold last year is pictured here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2002SandwichFair/59.jpg The key is to get the leather cup to start swelling a day before the show...We did this on that black pump (mounted on yellow milk can at SIAM) and it worked great...otherwise, it takes a few primes if it hasn't been used for several weeks. Steve --- Bill wrote: Hey I forgot to list my Webshots address a few minutes ago http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=157829854 Thanks, Curt. Curt. Ken and Tom. For the information. Ken I just added three more pictures on my Webshots page of a pitcher pump display I saw at the SIAM show and what I am calling a pump jack is probably something else, look at the pictures and tell me what that is that is driven by the motor and moves the arm up and down to operate the pump? Curt Andree I will get back to you on the pump leathers as soon as I dismantle the pump. Thanks friends, Bill Miller. From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu Jul 1 13:48:47 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 21:48:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally References: <200407011209.i61C9W9I028288@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <40E478AF.1E06733@insulate.co.uk> Hi Patrick Just between you and me, I THINK we're getting somewhere with the LAST trip report. I've got Arnie on a work-reward scheme and progress is gradually being made. Here's a pic of how it works: http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/work4beer.jpg Dolly Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > I enjoyed the pictures Dolly. It looks like a great time was had by all. I > am looking forward to Arnie's report being ready in time for me to read to > my grandchildren ;) -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Jul 1 13:53:57 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (dave croft) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:53:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Leader Engines Message-ID: <003801c45fad$875b3920$06856ad5@one> Hi Gang, I just had a call from a chap in Dorset called Eddie Ridout. Last year I contacted him about an American Leader engine he had at the 1000 engine 2 years ago. He said I told him it was someone abroad, possibly Dutch or Aussie. Does anyone remember anything about this. As you know I suffer from severe memory problems & cannot remember who asked me for information. If you know anybody can you please let me know. Eddie never heard from anyone about it & he is interested in a contact Regards, Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Jul 1 14:35:41 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 23:35:41 +0200 Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally References: <200407011209.i61C9W9I028288@heavyiron.atis.net> <40E478AF.1E06733@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <001701c45fb3$5bfa94f0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Dolly, seldom seen such a nice and quitely Gentleman. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > I've got Arnie on a work-reward scheme and progress is gradually > being made. > Here's a pic of how it works: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/work4beer.jpg > > Dolly From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Jul 1 15:54:53 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (dave croft) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 23:54:53 +0100 Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally References: <200407011209.i61C9W9I028288@heavyiron.atis.net> <40E478AF.1E06733@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <004701c45fbe$6c0bbcb0$06856ad5@one> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally > Hi Patrick > Just between you and me, I THINK we're getting somewhere with the LAST trip > report. I've got Arnie on a work-reward scheme and progress is gradually > being made. > Here's a pic of how it works: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/work4beer.jpg > Dolly Hi Helen, It won't work You forgot the bottle opener & the glass! From pmaples at anaxis.net Thu Jul 1 17:25:38 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 19:25:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc. References: <9a.e39bd4c.2e14a492@aol.com> Message-ID: <04b401c45fcb$1d0fefc0$cff70cd1@VAIO> Hey Bill, just got home from St. Louis and I see you are having a fun time with the old pump I gave you and that you are getting a lot of input from the folks on the list. I got to looking at the SIAM picture of the Hercules - Pump setup again that you posted on your webshots site and just noticed that the pump I gave you is not exactly like the one that was at Siam. The one at SIAM has the water spout and the one I gave you does not, I was feeling bad when I realized this but when I read Ron's input where he thinks you now have a pretty good pump setup I felt better. Did not want to give my OLE Buddy something he could not use. I am thrilled you are having fun with it. IT has been setting in my shop for about four years, like I said I bought it an old estate auction in Central Illinois. I will be following your threads. Be sure and post pictures for us all to see showing it all apart once you dismantle it. Your OLE Arkansas Buddy, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc. > Hi Tom; > > Did you click to the right and see the eccentric in the next two pictures. My > Herc. is just like this fellows other than mine has a Wico ignitor and his > has a Webster. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/157829854/158041925dHQYNe > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From BillMil357 at aol.com Thu Jul 1 18:11:47 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:11:47 EDT Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc. Message-ID: <19a.2673b120.2e161053@aol.com> Hi Paul; I am glad you had a safe trip and got it behind you, yeah I am proud of the pump I was just going to put me a small piece of pipe with an elbow on it to run back in the tub, but Ron Carrol was telling me that his Aunt had one to pump water up to a tank in the attic and then drained back down to the sink with a faucet. I have sent some info. and pictures to a fellow hoping he can tell me who made it and what for. Click on this and go to the pump album. http://community.webshots.com/user/billmil357 Your OLE engine buddy, Bill. From pmaples at anaxis.net Thu Jul 1 18:40:01 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:40:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc. References: <20040701150247.19403.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <053f01c45fd5$83c0a610$cff70cd1@VAIO> Steve if you get a chance and it is not too much trouble could you send me some pictures of the Corn Sheller? I lost the pictures you sent me when my hard drive crashed and I just want to look at it and swoon over it. Thanks for selling it to me and I will be happy to send you your money right now of you want me to. Thanks Steve, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc. > Bill > > Yes, you do have a vaild pump jack there. I think that it was made in > Ohio by Haller. I had a pump jack just like it, but gave it to a friend > (who stores many of my engines on his farm). He is working it into > another display. His old display which he sold last year is pictured here: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2002SandwichFair/59.jpg > > The key is to get the leather cup to start swelling a day before the > show...We did this on that black pump (mounted on yellow milk can at SIAM) > and it worked great...otherwise, it takes a few primes if it hasn't been > used for several weeks. > > Steve > --- Bill wrote: > Hey I forgot to list my Webshots address a few minutes ago > http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=157829854 > > Thanks, Curt. Curt. Ken and Tom. For the information. Ken I just added > three more pictures on my Webshots page of a pitcher pump display I saw at > the SIAM show and what I am calling a pump jack is probably something > else, look at the pictures and tell me what that is that is driven by the > motor and moves the arm up and down to operate the pump? Curt Andree I > will get back to you on the pump leathers as soon as I dismantle the pump. > > Thanks friends, > > Bill Miller. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From FRM8198 at aol.com Thu Jul 1 21:06:48 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:06:48 EDT Subject: [SEL] Maytag Model 92 Update Message-ID: <3e.40fc2e21.2e163958@aol.com> Hi List, Well, the third Maytag Model 92 which was stuck is now running. I borrowed the missing magneto parts from one of the other running engines to get it in operating condition. It is hard to believe that just a few days ago this weather beaten stuck engine was inoperative and now it runs. Once I get the missing parts, there will be three Model 92 Maytags operating in my stable. I appreciate all help I have received from the list. It sure has been a learning experience for me such as removing rusted nuts/bolts, making gaskets, freeing a rusted piston, etc. Next week, I hope to get started on one of the twins. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From sutter at iprimus.com.au Fri Jul 2 03:53:36 2004 From: sutter at iprimus.com.au (Sutter) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:53:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Bamford big end EV1/EG1 Message-ID: This is a re-send - I don't know if it went thru the first time. G'day SEL list I have a Bamford EV1 /EG1 1.5 hp. On both engines the big end has split white metal shell inserts with shim adjustment. The difference between these big ends and all the other ones I have seen and done is that the shims sit OUTSIDE the shells ie. the shells butt up against each other and the shims are behind the shell and located by the big end bolts. The Bamford parts manual clearly shows this setup as well. Question: If you want to adjust the clearance and remove say 2 shims it does not really make any difference as the shells are already butted hard against each other. Do you have to "rub' the surface of each shell down the required amount on fine emery/flat surface to match the thickness of shims removed ? If so isn't this method inaccurate and basically not very good- if you rub the shell down too much it could then move slightly in the big end - or it might not be square etc. etc. Am I missing something ? Engines I have dealt with have the shims between the shells - you add or remove the required amount of shims - do the big end up and everything is locked together and cannot move - end of story. Also does anyone know of a source for a 10 thou undersize set of bamford big end shells ie. 1.490 inch? Looking forward to hearing from (Bamford) experts. Rod Sutter Melbourne Australia sutter at iprimus.com.au 03 9763 9235 From fbi at insulate.co.uk Fri Jul 2 05:53:22 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 13:53:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally References: <200407011209.i61C9W9I028288@heavyiron.atis.net> <40E478AF.1E06733@insulate.co.uk> <004701c45fbe$6c0bbcb0$06856ad5@one> Message-ID: <40E55AC2.2EE3B84D@insulate.co.uk> Hi Dave dave croft wrote: > > > Here's a pic of how it works: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/work4beer.jpg > > Dolly > > Hi Helen, It won't work You forgot the bottle opener & the glass! That's exactly how it DOES work - he has to EARN those too! Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Jul 2 08:20:34 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:20:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Model 92 Update Message-ID: <20040702.115222.268.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Fran, Glad you got those little engines (motors) running. It's a good feeling when you get those rusty buckets performing again ain't it? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jul 2 12:38:48 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 15:38:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally References: <200407011209.i61C9W9I028288@heavyiron.atis.net> <40E478AF.1E06733@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <40E5B9C8.8050109@imc-group.com> Whipped? :-) Curt Jim French wrote: >Hi Patrick > >Just between you and me, I THINK we're getting somewhere with the LAST trip >report. I've got Arnie on a work-reward scheme and progress is gradually >being made. >Here's a pic of how it works: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/work4beer.jpg > >Dolly > > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Jul 2 18:51:11 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:51:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: BESSEMER Message-ID: <76067908-CC93-11D8-B5DE-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Can anybody help Dan with his question? Begin forwarded message: > From: "Dan" > Date: July 2, 2004 8:22:06 PM EDT > To: > Subject: BESSEMER > > Hi John > Do you know if there is a Bessemer dating/serial number guide? > Thanks for your time. > Dan Wiese > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Jul 2 19:04:39 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 22:04:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 1000 Engine Rally References: <200407011209.i61C9W9I028288@heavyiron.atis.net><40E478AF.1E06733@insulate.co.uk> <40E5B9C8.8050109@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <0abf01c460a2$194c5d60$0400a8c0@Dave> In 2000 at Portland Bambi told me that Arnie was into bondage. Perhaps Dolly is on to something--but I'll not ask what! Dave > Whipped? :-) > Curt > > Jim French wrote: > > >Hi Patrick > > > >Just between you and me, I THINK we're getting somewhere with the LAST trip > >report. I've got Arnie on a work-reward scheme and progress is gradually > >being made. > >Here's a pic of how it works: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/work4beer.jpg > > > >Dolly > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Jul 2 19:12:42 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 22:12:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Model 92 Update In-Reply-To: <3e.40fc2e21.2e163958@aol.com> References: <3e.40fc2e21.2e163958@aol.com> Message-ID: <777FBA28-CC96-11D8-B5DE-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Great work, Francis! On Jul 2, 2004, at 12:06 AM, FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > Hi List, > Well, the third Maytag Model 92 which was stuck is now running. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From segray at mlode.com Fri Jul 2 22:04:37 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 22:04:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Clointon engines.] Message-ID: <40E63E65.7030703@mlode.com> Any small Clinton engine owners out there? This guy needs a hand... Thanks - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Clinton engines. Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:53:36 EDT From: pokerrun1940 at aol.com To: segray at mlode.com I have two Clinton motors. One has no id plate but the year made is stamped on the block and is a 1952. I would like more info on this unit. The other is serial # 7327281 B Model B1290 1107 . Can you direct me to a web site that has info on Clinton motors for the serial numbers and date made? Thank you Bob From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Sat Jul 3 00:14:19 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 17:14:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] urgent call - yb stover Message-ID: hello, i am urgently looking for someone who has a vertical YB 4hp STOVER in running order. this might sound as if i am abit stupid but am having trouble working out which direction this engine should run. if we time it to run clock wise from the igniter side it only just runs but if we do it in the other direction it is hard to get the ignition timing right. hope someone out there can please HELP, getting very frustrating. yours dave in oz _________________________________________________________________ Open an Online Savings Account today & collect a bonus $30*! http://clk.atdmt.com/1DG/go/hsb005000991dg/direct/01/ From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Jul 3 01:56:46 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (dave croft) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 09:56:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tractors into the sunset Message-ID: <000d01c460db$ab9ffdf0$06856ad5@one> Sometime last year someone posted some very good pictures from an American Tractor show. One picture was every exhibit driving into the sunset. Can anyone remember the web address of these excellent pictures please. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Jul 3 05:28:47 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 12:28:47 +0000 Subject: [SEL] urgent call - yb stover Message-ID: <070320041228.12253.6e29@mchsi.com> Dave, If she is like my Stover upright model C, 5hp....as your on the side with the ignitor and fuel pump turn her clockwise. Contact me off list as I am the register for Stover engines and don't believe we have talked. Curt Andree > hello, i am urgently looking for someone who has a vertical YB 4hp STOVER in > running order. this might sound as if i am abit stupid but am having trouble > working out which direction this engine should run. if we time it to run > clock wise from the igniter side it only just runs but if we do it in the > other direction it is hard to get the ignition timing right. hope someone > out there can please HELP, getting very frustrating. yours dave in oz > > _________________________________________________________________ > Open an Online Savings Account today & collect a bonus $30*! > http://clk.atdmt.com/1DG/go/hsb005000991dg/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Sat Jul 3 05:45:26 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 22:45:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] urgent call - yb stover References: <070320041228.12253.6e29@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <001b01c460fb$9e268980$cd6f29cb@oemcomputer> As Curt said,clockwise on the ign side.Have you got the cam timing correct ,The exhaust should start to open at about 35 deg before bottom centre and close between top dead centre and 5 deg after. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 10:28 Subject: Re: [SEL] urgent call - yb stover > Dave, > If she is like my Stover upright model C, 5hp....as your on the side with the > ignitor and fuel pump turn her clockwise. > Contact me off list as I am the register for Stover engines and don't believe > we have talked. > Curt Andree > > hello, i am urgently looking for someone who has a vertical YB 4hp STOVER in > > running order. this might sound as if i am abit stupid but am having trouble > > working out which direction this engine should run. if we time it to run > > clock wise from the igniter side it only just runs but if we do it in the > > other direction it is hard to get the ignition timing right. hope someone > > out there can please HELP, getting very frustrating. yours dave in oz > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Open an Online Savings Account today & collect a bonus $30*! > > http://clk.atdmt.com/1DG/go/hsb005000991dg/direct/01/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. > From f86sabre at kcweb.net Sat Jul 3 09:05:08 2004 From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (F86SABRE) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 11:05:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Clointon engines.] References: <40E63E65.7030703@mlode.com> Message-ID: <000c01c46117$83eb3b30$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> Try this: http://www.asecc.com/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 12:04 AM Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Clointon engines.] > Any small Clinton engine owners out there? This guy needs a hand... > Thanks > > - Steve > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Clinton engines. > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:53:36 EDT > From: pokerrun1940 at aol.com > To: segray at mlode.com > > > > > I have two Clinton motors. One has no id plate but the year made > is stamped on the block and is a 1952. I would like more info on this > unit. The other is serial # 7327281 B Model B1290 1107 . Can you > direct me to a web site that has info on Clinton motors for the serial > numbers and date made? Thank you Bob > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BillMil357 at aol.com Sat Jul 3 10:10:01 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:10:01 EDT Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc. Message-ID: <1d1.2500cc85.2e184269@aol.com> Hey Men; I still have not had anyone able to tell me who Manufactured my pitcher (Cistern) pump, it has FP and a part number cast into all the cast fittings, could that be Fairbanks Pump just guessing. Also what chemical can I use to get the worse tarnish off the brass cylinder, Paul Maples has a big buffer that we can put the finishing touch to it and should I urethane clear coat it outside when I get the brass bright. Does anyone have one like this or has seen one besides the two fellows that said they had seen one in their childhood? I got a good message from Curt Andree today, he said he had the leathers for it, all my pump pictures are at this address http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV Thanks, Bill Miller, Memphis, TN. From alanb2 at webtv.net Sat Jul 3 11:29:33 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:29:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc. In-Reply-To: BillMil357@aol.com's message of Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:10:01 EDT Message-ID: <1755-40E6FB0D-7106@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net> Hi Bill, Sorry,,,, I don't have any idea who made your pump. I do have one that is bigger though. It is also in a lot worse shape. Ten years ago it was brought up from a large boat that had been sunk for forty years then. 8>)) It has a larger bore and just two 3/4" pipe outputs. It would have probably put out a lot of pressure. It is gonna be a real challenge getting it open. The top packing seems to be shot. Last summer, right after I got it, I filled up a barrel and set the pump on top. I washed a LOT of sand out of it. Then with a prime it pumped a LOT of water,,,,, Most of it came out the top where the packing is shot. Considering the overall condition and where it spent so much time,,,, I thougtht it did real good. 8>)) It must have been used to pull up lake water. It was a good sized wooden fishing boat that spent most of it's working life on Lake Michigan. It sank though on the middle lake of the three lakes here that are connected together by a small river and the two end lakes each have access to lake Michigan. The North lake in the three is Walloon Lake where Ernest Hemmingway lived and did a lot of writing. (trivia) I know today they bring very large yatchs into Walloon Lake. I am sure your pump will make a nice display before mine does. 8>)) Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan ~~~~~~You wrote~~~~ Hey Men; I still have not had anyone able to tell me who Manufactured my pitcher (Cistern) pump, it has FP and a part number cast into all the cast fittings, could that be Fairbanks Pump just guessing. Also what chemical can I use to get the worse tarnish off the brass cylinder, Paul Maples has a big buffer that we can put the finishing touch to it and should I urethane clear coat it outside when I get the brass bright. Does anyone have one like this or has seen one besides the two fellows that said they had seen one in their childhood? I got a good message from Curt Andree today, he said he had the leathers for it, all my pump pictures are at this address http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV Thanks, Bill Miller, Memphis, TN. From FRM8198 at aol.com Sat Jul 3 13:07:49 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 16:07:49 EDT Subject: [SEL] [{SEL] OT Test Message-ID: <156.38fc6037.2e186c15@aol.com> Test Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From BillMil357 at aol.com Sat Jul 3 15:13:27 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 18:13:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] TEST Message-ID: <1a8.259924ef.2e188987@aol.com> This is just a test, I am having trouble getting messages. Bill Miller. From rexhinz at chorus.net Sat Jul 3 16:07:00 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 18:07:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Gencolight model 26 light plant Message-ID: <001001c46152$754846a0$1e86a5d8@rex> Hi list ' Maybe some one can help . I have a friend (Eric Applebaum) that has a General Gas-Electric Co. Gencolight generator model 26 type H serial # 14082 it is complete and he had it running until it started to back fire and stopped , one of the con. rod bearing cap bolts stripped and the piston hit the intake valve broke it off and also busted the first and second lands on the piston not to mention the crank end of the rod where the cap and rod are bent out of shape due to the one rod bolt still in place , the rod had babit for bearing is that normal ? my friend also is looking to weld up the piston with a tig and recut the ring grooves, would that work ? we plan to straighten the rod and cap by hammering both around a shaft or pipe of the right diameter and then find someone to pour us a babit bearing ,will that work or has anyone tried this ? also if any one has a manual he would be willing to pay for a copy , also any one with spare parts he would be more than willing to purchase them ,thanks for reading Rex Hinz From reb at apex.net Sat Jul 3 18:13:14 2004 From: reb at apex.net (REB) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 20:13:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc. References: <1d1.2500cc85.2e184269@aol.com> Message-ID: <002f01c46164$3ed53300$88618941@digital> Bill I have always used straight ammonia to clean brass up. Dick Bauer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc. > Hey Men; > > I still have not had anyone able to tell me who Manufactured my pitcher > (Cistern) pump, it has FP and a part number cast into all the cast fittings, could > that be Fairbanks Pump just guessing. Also what chemical can I use to get the > worse tarnish off the brass cylinder, Paul Maples has a big buffer that we can > put the finishing touch to it and should I urethane clear coat it outside > when I get the brass bright. Does anyone have one like this or has seen one > besides the two fellows that said they had seen one in their childhood? I got a > good message from Curt Andree today, he said he had the leathers for it, all my > pump pictures are at this address > > http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV > > Thanks, > > Bill Miller, > Memphis, TN. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustyiron at bigpond.com Sat Jul 3 07:11:25 2004 From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 22:11:25 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Stover Spark Plugs Message-ID: <005d01c46107$a76388c0$fb4cfea9@rustyiron> Hello All, I'm starting to get things together to fix up a KA Stover, one thing that may slow things down is getting a Spark plug to suit, I have two old ones that I'd like to change. I've been looking through eBay but I'm not sure exactly what to get, can any one out there help, ether with a cross reference chart or just a list of different types of plugs that would be suitable? The two plugs I have are; Champion 22 and an AC (no #'s). Thanks.....Andy..... Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 3 19:11:58 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 21:11:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Outlook Express - Need Help Message-ID: <00ff01c4616c$4cabdb70$c3f70cd1@VAIO> Folks I have been noticing that I have not been getting any messages from enginads at sisna.com and I sent a message to Harry about it last night. I just now fired up my PC and opened up Outlook Express and I was watching my incoming messages downloading and I noticed that the Deleted Items folder was automatically receiving messages just like the Spam Folder was. I was not deleting anything, just watching the messages coming in. What's going on here? I never new Outlook Express would automatically delete anything, I thought you had to manually delete a message. Does someone know what is going on here? Thanks From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Sat Jul 3 20:53:36 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 13:53:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Stover Spark Plugs Message-ID: try a champion d16 or a d21 and you shouldn't go wrong >From: "Andy" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] Stover Spark Plugs >Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 22:11:25 +0800 > >Hello All, I'm starting to get things together to fix up a KA Stover, one >thing that may slow things down is getting a Spark plug to suit, I have two >old ones that I'd like to change. I've been looking through eBay but I'm >not >sure exactly what to get, can any one out there help, ether with a cross >reference chart or just a list of different types of plugs that would be >suitable? The two plugs I have are; Champion 22 and an AC (no #'s). >Thanks.....Andy..... > >Andy Nicholson >Exmouth W.A. >Oz. >rustyiron at bigpond.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Looking to buy a new house? Try http://property.ninemsn.com.au/ From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Sun Jul 4 04:37:58 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 21:37:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Stover Spark Plugs References: <005d01c46107$a76388c0$fb4cfea9@rustyiron> Message-ID: <001101c461bb$68b22320$681131cb@oemcomputer> What you need is a Autolite 3076.These are 7/8" fine thread plug and are readily available. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy" To: Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 12:11 Subject: [SEL] Stover Spark Plugs > Hello All, I'm starting to get things together to fix up a KA Stover, one > thing that may slow things down is getting a Spark plug to suit, I have two > old ones that I'd like to change. I've been looking through eBay but I'm not > sure exactly what to get, can any one out there help, ether with a cross > reference chart or just a list of different types of plugs that would be > suitable? The two plugs I have are; Champion 22 and an AC (no #'s). > Thanks.....Andy..... > > Andy Nicholson > Exmouth W.A. > Oz. > rustyiron at bigpond.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Jul 4 06:44:18 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 07:44:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Missoula, Mt. Show Message-ID: Howdy all; Nice day yesterday at the Missoula EDGE&TA show. Pix's at the below link. http://community.webshots.com/album/159073653hTibfl Hope ya enjoy RickinMt. PS: Are the pix's too big? I'm using a new feature from Webshots for batch uploading. From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 4 07:28:51 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 07:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Missoula, Mt. Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040704142852.96928.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Rick, The photos looked good to me, but I am on a cable modem so I don't know if they took "too long" to load. Looks like it was a nice show, some good variety and no mud puddles, which are becoming a way of life around here. I thought I saw a hummingbird yesterday, turns out it was a monsquito. Thanks fer sharon. I mean sharing. Joe --- Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all; > Nice day yesterday at the Missoula EDGE&TA show. Pix's at the below > link. > > http://community.webshots.com/album/159073653hTibfl > > Hope ya enjoy > > RickinMt. > PS: Are the pix's too big? I'm using a new feature from Webshots for > batch > uploading. ===== Joe Prindle Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: www.tznet.com/jprindle Our Club: www.badgersteamandgas.com See Yoo in Baraboo! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From rexhinz at chorus.net Sun Jul 4 07:39:09 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 09:39:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Missoula, Mt. Show References: Message-ID: <000601c461d4$acd640e0$2b86a5d8@rex> Rick ; Nice pictures , no they are not too big , Just Right ,and Thanks for sharing them , you sure know how to use that camera ! Rex Hinz Baraboo Wi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 8:44 AM Subject: [SEL] Missoula, Mt. Show > Howdy all; > Nice day yesterday at the Missoula EDGE&TA show. Pix's at the below link. > > http://community.webshots.com/album/159073653hTibfl > > Hope ya enjoy > > RickinMt. > PS: Are the pix's too big? I'm using a new feature from Webshots for batch > uploading. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 4 07:37:12 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 07:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Gencolight model 26 light plant In-Reply-To: <001001c46152$754846a0$1e86a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <20040704143712.10880.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Rex, I think that the way you have talked about straightening things out should work just fine. How bad is the rod? Can you put a helicoil in there to fix the stripped threads? As far as your rod bearing goes.... I can pour one for you, or lend you a ladle, some babbitrite, a furnace to melt the babbit with and give you some babbit, if you want to try doing it yourself. Or, I can pour one for you if you would like. I will be on vacation starting Wednesday, through the following Monday. I will be in and out of the showgrounds, working on getting the foundation forms ready for the 3 cylinder Fairbanks, NW of the gas engine shed. If you want to take a chance and catch me, I can fix you up with the stuff to do your own bearing. If you want, email me off list with the time to expect you, or for my cell phone number. We have some errands to run, got to go to portage and pick up stock to make the foundation bolts and rebar, then down to Hoot Owl Valley to use Bill Klemm's wirefeed welder, or better yet, watch Bill use it. If you need Helicoils, let me know what size, I have most sizes at home in the shop and can fix you up. There is a fellow on Harry's who calls himself Delco Don. He might have parts. I have had a little correspondence with him and think I made him (or some other light plant collector) some 1/2-12 studs a few years back. He is a really good guy and might know where to get parts. I can't find his email addy, but you shouldn't have a hard time getting it if you ask around. Joe --- Rex Hinz wrote: > Hi list ' > > Maybe some one can help . I have a friend (Eric Applebaum) that has a > General Gas-Electric Co. Gencolight generator model 26 type H serial # > 14082 it is complete and he had it running until it started to back > fire > and stopped , one of the con. rod bearing cap bolts stripped and the > piston hit the intake valve broke it off and also busted the first and > second lands on the piston not to mention the crank end of the rod > where > the cap and rod are bent out of shape due to the one rod bolt still in > place > , the rod had babit for bearing is that normal ? my friend also is > looking > to weld up the piston with a tig and recut the ring grooves, would that > work > ? we plan to straighten the rod and cap by hammering both around a > shaft or > pipe of the right diameter and then find someone to pour us a babit > bearing > ,will that work or has anyone tried this ? also if any one has a manual > he > would be willing to pay for a copy , also any one with spare parts he > would > be more than willing to purchase them ,thanks for reading > > > Rex Hinz > > ===== Joe Prindle Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: www.tznet.com/jprindle Our Club: www.badgersteamandgas.com See Yoo in Baraboo! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Jul 4 08:33:09 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 09:33:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Missoula, Mt. Show References: <20040704142852.96928.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Rex and Joe! There was a nice variety and I got to see my first oil well run..the Reid, most cool. He said it came from back east. Funny thing..when I mentioned the Yellow Dog up on the perch, he didn't know what I was talking about. And wouldn't ya know it, the camera crapped out just as I was going to snap a shot of a Baker horizontal..very kewl engine as the push/pull rod operates both the exhaust and intake valve..center of pg 45, BPB. The big F-M ran a grain elevator not too far from me. Finding out F-M's were commonly used in Montana elevators...~~the 15hp version. My apologizes to list member, Dave Otto from Idaho for not taggin' up with him. Idaho brought some nice iron and one could tell this was not their first barbe...good job gang! later, Rick PS's Dave C. I believe your question about the tractor(s) in the sunset, had to do with the tractor record set in Oz around Easter. I cannot find that pix. Paul...IE is doing some weird crap with spyware and adware...I'm not using it until it starts to behave itself. From pmaples at anaxis.net Sun Jul 4 08:46:53 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 10:46:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Missoula, Mt. Show References: Message-ID: <008401c461de$25805d60$e5f70cd1@VAIO> Super Great Pictures Rick and I enjoyed each one of them. I will be writing you back off list in a few minutes to ask you some specific questions about some of he carts I saw. Thanks for posting them. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 8:44 AM Subject: [SEL] Missoula, Mt. Show > Howdy all; > Nice day yesterday at the Missoula EDGE&TA show. Pix's at the below link. > > http://community.webshots.com/album/159073653hTibfl > > Hope ya enjoy > > RickinMt. > PS: Are the pix's too big? I'm using a new feature from Webshots for batch > uploading. > From rexhinz at chorus.net Sun Jul 4 12:01:07 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:01:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytags completed and running Message-ID: <000f01c461f9$46c0adc0$6186a5d8@rex> Hi : Finaly got up enough nerve to put a picture of my two just completed Maytags a 92 and a 72 , they were both almost hopeless but with way too much money they are now ready to smoke out anyone who dares to get close, see them at link below :-) http://community.webshots.com/photo/113498875/159352031obDuFi Rex From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Jul 4 14:28:21 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 17:28:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags completed and running In-Reply-To: <000f01c461f9$46c0adc0$6186a5d8@rex> References: <000f01c461f9$46c0adc0$6186a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <12AE5A88-CE01-11D8-9F72-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Take off the bag and grin proudly over your two fine pieces of American classic machinery! John On Jul 4, 2004, at 3:01 PM, Rex Hinz wrote: > Hi : > > Finaly got up enough nerve to put a picture of my two just completed > Maytags a 92 and a 72 , they were both almost hopeless but with way > too > much money they are now ready to smoke out anyone who dares to get > close, > see them at link below :-) > http://community.webshots.com/photo/113498875/159352031obDuFi > > Rex > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Jul 4 15:23:04 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (dave croft) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 23:23:04 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Maytags completed and running References: <000f01c461f9$46c0adc0$6186a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <000401c46215$796c6a40$06856ad5@one> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 8:01 PM Subject: [SEL] Maytags completed and running > Hi : > Finaly got up enough nerve to put a picture of my two just completed > Maytags a 92 and a 72 , they were both almost hopeless but with way too > much money they are now ready to smoke out anyone who dares to get close, > see them at link below :-) > http://community.webshots.com/photo/113498875/159352031obDuFi > Rex Nice one Rex! Full marks for a very good post. From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu Sun Jul 4 18:20:29 2004 From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 20:20:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Edinburgh, IN 2004 Show, Engine Pictures Message-ID: Hello, Pictures of engines (17 of them) which I took at the recent Edinburgh, IN show are now on my website. http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker/shows/edinburgh-04 A very special thanks to Jim, Ken, and my family!! Enjoy the photos. Don Siefker 28 Miles SW of Portland, IN http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker From pmaples at anaxis.net Sun Jul 4 19:39:33 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 21:39:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help to Portland Message-ID: <013b01c46239$56bb4d30$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Folks I am still trying to find a ride for my Corn Chopper that I bought from a lady in Massachusetts and then my good friend George Woodzell picked it up and has it stored for me at his place in Schenectady, New York. George hauled it from Massachusetts to his place in New York in the back of his Volvo Station Wagon so it will not take much of anything to haul it. I am trying to get it delivered to Portland in August where I can pick it up or maybe someone can pick it up and get it closer to Portland where someone else can get it. Is there anyone out there who might could help me out with transportation for the corn chopper? Ivan Cousins has told me that if I can get it to Clarion PA he can haul it from there to Portland for me. I would appreciate any help I can get in getting the corn chopper picked up and moved towards Portland. Thanks so much. Paul From wilson at stny.rr.com Sun Jul 4 20:19:04 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 23:19:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? Message-ID: What suggestions do you folks have for those of us with BIG engines who are going to try starting them with a little engine and a rubber wheel? I know if it is done wrong, it can suck the engine in and bust the flywheel or worse. Thanks, Glenn Wilson From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net Sun Jul 4 20:41:15 2004 From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 23:41:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tractors into the sunset References: <000d01c460db$ab9ffdf0$06856ad5@one> Message-ID: <40E8CDDB.7010700@zoominternet.net> Dave, Here is what I can offer: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3010152&a=30328434&f= Ed dave croft wrote: >Sometime last year someone posted some very good pictures from an American >Tractor show. One picture was every exhibit driving into the sunset. >Can anyone remember the web address of these excellent pictures please. >Dave Croft >Warrington >England >http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sun Jul 4 20:43:54 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 22:43:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tractors into the sunset References: <000d01c460db$ab9ffdf0$06856ad5@one> <40E8CDDB.7010700@zoominternet.net> Message-ID: <019e01c46242$4f741df0$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Hey Ed I tried to look at the picture and got a message that this photo center is down for now. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Tabor" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Tractors into the sunset > Dave, > Here is what I can offer: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3010152&a=30328434&f= > > Ed > > dave croft wrote: > > >Sometime last year someone posted some very good pictures from an American > >Tractor show. One picture was every exhibit driving into the sunset. > >Can anyone remember the web address of these excellent pictures please. > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sun Jul 4 21:13:13 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 23:13:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cream Separators Message-ID: <01c301c46246$6858cf60$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Folks I bought a 1-1/2 HP 1913 Stover K several years ago and it has the cream separator pulley on it. I was just wondering if cream separators were sort of like corn shellers, they come with a crank but you could take the crank off and install a pulley. Or do you have to look for a special belt driven cream separator to run with an engine. Don't know anything about them but someday would like to find an old cream separator I could marry up with the little Stover to use for a demonstration. Thanks From nancydick at keyconn.net Mon Jul 5 06:50:17 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 05:50:17 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Maytags completed and running In-Reply-To: <000f01c461f9$46c0adc0$6186a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20040705054823.00b37d50@mail.keyconn.net> Hey Rex who is that fellow with the long straight hair. we use to get an other photo that need that type of hair on it. he he R Fink PA At 02:01 PM 7/4/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hi : > > Finaly got up enough nerve to put a picture of my two just completed >Maytags a 92 and a 72 , they were both almost hopeless but with way too >much money they are now ready to smoke out anyone who dares to get close, >see them at link below :-) > http://community.webshots.com/photo/113498875/159352031obDuFi > >Rex > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at keyconn.net Mon Jul 5 06:52:49 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 05:52:49 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Edinburgh, IN 2004 Show, Engine Pictures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20040705055158.00b7c420@mail.keyconn.net> Some nice engines there Don. thanks for the photos R Fink PA At 08:20 PM 7/4/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hello, > >Pictures of engines (17 of them) which I took at the recent Edinburgh, IN >show are now on my website. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker/shows/edinburgh-04 > >A very special thanks to Jim, Ken, and my family!! > >Enjoy the photos. > >Don Siefker >28 Miles SW of Portland, IN >http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at keyconn.net Mon Jul 5 06:56:13 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 05:56:13 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20040705055516.00b85da0@mail.keyconn.net> Hi Glenn it appears you may be ready to start that 60 hp?????????????? R Fink PA At 11:19 PM 7/4/2004 -0400, you wrote: >What suggestions do you folks have for those of us with BIG engines >who are going to try starting them with a little engine and a rubber >wheel? I know if it is done wrong, it can suck the engine in and bust >the flywheel or worse. >Thanks, Glenn Wilson >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wilson at stny.rr.com Mon Jul 5 05:17:30 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 08:17:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20040705055516.00b85da0@mail.keyconn.net> Message-ID: No - I've been lazy. The head isn't even off it. The 60 starts with air :) I'm mounting a 22.5HP Bessemer on steel wheels and wondering how to start it. I'm not as strong as I used to be and I know they turn HARD. My little 15HP half breed starts ok but it only has one flywheel. I just doubt I can start the 22.5HP myself without help and I'm thinking of doing it the easy way with a little engine. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard Fink Sr Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:56 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? Hi Glenn it appears you may be ready to start that 60 hp?????????????? R Fink PA At 11:19 PM 7/4/2004 -0400, you wrote: >What suggestions do you folks have for those of us with BIG engines >who are going to try starting them with a little engine and a rubber >wheel? I know if it is done wrong, it can suck the engine in and bust >the flywheel or worse. >Thanks, Glenn Wilson >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Jul 5 05:47:17 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 06:47:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Maytags completed and running References: <000f01c461f9$46c0adc0$6186a5d8@rex> Message-ID: Very nice Rex! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: [SEL] Maytags completed and running > Hi : > > Finaly got up enough nerve to put a picture of my two just completed > Maytags a 92 and a 72 , they were both almost hopeless but with way too > much money they are now ready to smoke out anyone who dares to get close, > see them at link below :-) > http://community.webshots.com/photo/113498875/159352031obDuFi > > Rex > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mack at melbpc.org.au Mon Jul 5 05:50:21 2004 From: mack at melbpc.org.au (John Mackesy) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:50:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Delco-Light Model 1271 questions Message-ID: <000c01c4628e$ce84bc20$069c0ccb@v8n0y0> I've just acquired a Delco-Light Model 1271 lighting plant, 125V 1.25 Kw . It's essentially complete and in reasonable condition, but will require some serious cosmetic work, rings, top cap and generator end cover. Although I have a serious mechanical background (larger radial aircraft engines, auto engines and gearboxes, truck diesels) I've never worked on 'vintage' machinery. As of right now I don't have any repair or overhaul data, but would like to get started. A few questions for those who've 'been there, done that': 1. How do you remove the flywheel/fan assembly? 2. How is the generator separated from the engine? 3. Does it run on gasoline or kerosene (has mixer valve, not carb)? 4. What sort of ignition coil should it have? 5. Parts - looking for top cap and generator end cover, gaskets. Piston rings I can probably source locally (I'm in Australia). Any other sage advice would be most appreciated. Thanks, John Mackesy From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Jul 5 05:51:56 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:51:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Missoula, Mt. Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200407051601.i65G13Nt014899@heavyiron.atis.net> Some very nice engines there Rick especially the three R&Vs ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Howdy all; Nice day yesterday at the Missoula EDGE&TA show. Pix's at the below link. http://community.webshots.com/album/159073653hTibfl Hope ya enjoy RickinMt. PS: Are the pix's too big? I'm using a new feature from Webshots for batch uploading. From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Jul 5 13:29:06 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:29:06 EDT Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <15.2cf371e4.2e1b1412@aol.com> No list mail since July 2 Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net Mon Jul 5 17:40:00 2004 From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 20:40:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tractors into the sunset References: <000d01c460db$ab9ffdf0$06856ad5@one> <40E8CDDB.7010700@zoominternet.net> <019e01c46242$4f741df0$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <40E9F4E0.1080207@zoominternet.net> Try this link: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3010152&a=30328434&f= or www.photo.epson.com and type in edward.tabor at dol.net for the name, then look under Parade of Power 2002 Ed Paul Maples wrote: >Hey Ed I tried to look at the picture and got a message that this photo >center is down for now. > >Paul > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Edward Tabor" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 10:41 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Tractors into the sunset > > > > >>Dave, >>Here is what I can offer: >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3010152&a=30328434&f= >> >>Ed >> >>dave croft wrote: >> >> >> >>>Sometime last year someone posted some very good pictures from an >>> >>> >American > > >>>Tractor show. One picture was every exhibit driving into the sunset. >>>Can anyone remember the web address of these excellent pictures please. >>> >>> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From ivancou at usachoice.net Mon Jul 5 18:07:13 2004 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:07:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help to Portland References: <013b01c46239$56bb4d30$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <000701c462f5$a88dee80$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Paul , I posted your plea to the AT list . Maybe someone over there can help . I know a couple of them live in NY . Ivan From dotto at velocitus.net Mon Jul 5 18:09:30 2004 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:09:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Missoula, Mt. Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000a01c462f5$e81ed1e0$01043c0a@DD1BF421> Hi Rick, Great Pictures, sorry I missed you. I was kind of looking out for you but not sure who I was looking for, exactly. You did manage to get a picture of my shiny Deere (DSCF0006) and of me (DSCF0011) I'm the one in the desert camo Boonie hat talking to friend Jim York about his Domestic, Jim is also from Boise. You also got a picture of my Wife and daughter Debby and Kalli in a couple of other shots. (Associated) daughter behind the Associated and (Stover 4hp) Wife Debby sitting under the canopy. It was a fun show but we got rained on pretty good Sunday afternoon. The spectators disappeared real fast when the wind and rain came. We also got the joy of loading in the rain. Maybe I will catch up with you next time, Dave -----Original Message----- My apologizes to list member, Dave Otto from Idaho for not taggin' up with him. Idaho brought some nice iron and one could tell this was not their first barbe...good job gang! later, Rick From bboyce at swat.coop Mon Jul 5 18:36:34 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 20:36:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? References: Message-ID: <001301c462f9$acc66b40$6401a8c0@BillyBob> glenn,, have you seen the removable pony engine bryan and i set up to start the Reid? maybe this is something similar to what you're wanting to do? bill boyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 7:17 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? > No - I've been lazy. The head isn't even off it. > The 60 starts with air :) > > I'm mounting a 22.5HP Bessemer on steel wheels and wondering > how to start it. I'm not as strong as I used to be and I know they turn > HARD. My little 15HP half breed starts ok but it only has one flywheel. > I just doubt I can start the 22.5HP myself without help and I'm > thinking of doing it the easy way with a little engine. > Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard > Fink Sr > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:56 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? > > > Hi Glenn it appears you may be ready to start that 60 hp?????????????? > R Fink > PA > > > > > > > At 11:19 PM 7/4/2004 -0400, you wrote: > >What suggestions do you folks have for those of us with BIG engines > >who are going to try starting them with a little engine and a rubber > >wheel? I know if it is done wrong, it can suck the engine in and bust > >the flywheel or worse. > >Thanks, Glenn Wilson > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Mon Jul 5 18:50:29 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 20:50:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help to Portland References: <013b01c46239$56bb4d30$d3f70cd1@VAIO> <000701c462f5$a88dee80$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Message-ID: <000701c462fb$a0a49330$d4f70cd1@VAIO> Thanks so much Ivan, I need all of the help I can get. I appreciate your efforts. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivan Cousins" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help to Portland > Paul , I posted your plea to the AT list . Maybe someone over there can help > . I know a couple of them live in NY . Ivan > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Mon Jul 5 18:57:58 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 20:57:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice Message-ID: <001901c462fc$ac2b8370$d4f70cd1@VAIO> Folks I am having a problem again that I had about a month ago and it is really frustrating. I connect to my ISP and check my e-mail but the minute I try to use Internet Explorer it will disconnect my computer from the ISP and I have to dial back up to get on line again. The last time I completely done a Complete System Recovery, reformatted my hard drive and it has worked until now and it is starting it all over. I have Norton Internet Security (Professional) and I ran it and there are no virus's indicated. I have dumped every program on the PC except the absolute ones I have to have. I don't even want to think that I have to do another system recovery and start all over again. Any ides from you computer guru's? I am on dial up, not DSL. I am wondering if DSL would help solve some of these issues. Thanks, Paul From pmaples at anaxis.net Mon Jul 5 19:00:06 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:00:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help to Portland References: <013b01c46239$56bb4d30$d3f70cd1@VAIO> <000701c462f5$a88dee80$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Message-ID: <002501c462fc$f8bf1710$d4f70cd1@VAIO> Ivan what is the AT List? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivan Cousins" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help to Portland > Paul , I posted your plea to the AT list . Maybe someone over there can help > . I know a couple of them live in NY . Ivan > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jul 5 19:28:19 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:28:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Auction Site needed References: <013b01c46239$56bb4d30$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <021b01c46300$e8e0c150$0400a8c0@Dave> Hi All, I've changed 'puters and have lost the site where auction results are listed. Can anyone help me? Thanks! Dave From wilson at stny.rr.com Mon Jul 5 19:42:58 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:42:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? In-Reply-To: <001301c462f9$acc66b40$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: Does it work flawless or is there a chance it may get sucked in by the Reid? I thought reid was spelled ried. Hmm. that doesn't look right either. must be Reid. No, I don't remember seeing it or pictures of it. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Bill Boyce Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:37 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? glenn,, have you seen the removable pony engine bryan and i set up to start the Reid? maybe this is something similar to what you're wanting to do? bill boyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 7:17 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? > No - I've been lazy. The head isn't even off it. > The 60 starts with air :) > > I'm mounting a 22.5HP Bessemer on steel wheels and wondering > how to start it. I'm not as strong as I used to be and I know they turn > HARD. My little 15HP half breed starts ok but it only has one flywheel. > I just doubt I can start the 22.5HP myself without help and I'm > thinking of doing it the easy way with a little engine. > Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard > Fink Sr > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:56 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? > > > Hi Glenn it appears you may be ready to start that 60 hp?????????????? > R Fink > PA > > > > > > > At 11:19 PM 7/4/2004 -0400, you wrote: > >What suggestions do you folks have for those of us with BIG engines > >who are going to try starting them with a little engine and a rubber > >wheel? I know if it is done wrong, it can suck the engine in and bust > >the flywheel or worse. > >Thanks, Glenn Wilson > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Markshattuck at ntelos.net Mon Jul 5 20:05:29 2004 From: Markshattuck at ntelos.net (Mark L Shattuck) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 23:05:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice References: <001901c462fc$ac2b8370$d4f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <001501c46306$195b1650$6401a8c0@markby5481638j> Paul you like me got it a virus . start all over again fresh . Even if you back up on your system restore the virus comes back .. Since I started over fresh I have ok This virus thing backs up with you the only way to get rid of it is to resatll windows with a clean install.. Mark L Shattuck Waynesboro Va From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Jul 5 20:50:31 2004 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 23:50:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Auction Site needed References: <013b01c46239$56bb4d30$d3f70cd1@VAIO> <021b01c46300$e8e0c150$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <000701c4630c$641e9620$0100a8c0@mshome.net> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/index.htm Take care, Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 10:28 PM Subject: [SEL] Auction Site needed > Hi All, > I've changed 'puters and have lost the site where auction results are > listed. Can anyone help me? Thanks! > Dave From d.fleming at sasktel.net Mon Jul 5 22:18:09 2004 From: d.fleming at sasktel.net (D. Fleming) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:18:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? References: Message-ID: <002001c46318$a3609fc0$cdc36e40@don> Glen, I am thinking that the starting engine should be engaged to the side of the flywheel that is coming up ( left side on a flywheel turning clockwise ). Then when the engine fires it will push the starting engine away from the flywheel rather than pull it into and under the engine being started. Am I missing something here??? Don Fleming Kipling, Sask. Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:42 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? > Does it work flawless or is there a chance it may get sucked in by the Reid? > I thought reid was spelled ried. Hmm. that doesn't look right either. must > be > Reid. > > No, I don't remember seeing it or pictures of it. > > Glenn > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Jul 5 20:40:00 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:40:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Auction Site needed In-Reply-To: <021b01c46300$e8e0c150$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <200407060544.i665iJbK027576@heavyiron.atis.net> Hi Dave, Is this what you were looking for? http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/auctionreport.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi All, I've changed 'puters and have lost the site where auction results are listed. Can anyone help me? Thanks! Dave From peter at loud-n-clear.net Tue Jul 6 00:33:30 2004 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:33:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ping list Message-ID: <6bvpDUHKXl6AFwd5@loud-n-clear.net> Hi all No mail in three days - is it me? Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From diesel at easynet.co.uk Tue Jul 6 02:39:46 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:39:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ping list In-Reply-To: <6bvpDUHKXl6AFwd5@loud-n-clear.net> References: <6bvpDUHKXl6AFwd5@loud-n-clear.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:33:30 +0100, you wrote: >Hi all > >No mail in three days - is it me? > >Regards > > Pete Nope, just not a lot of mail..... It's that time of year when the outdoors is more fun than being in the workshop, July the 4th has just passed by with its celebrations for the Colonials :-)) and people are generally just busy methinks. We are flat out at the factory for a change, with an order book out to October, so 7-day weeks are back with a vengeance! Have not made many shows at all this year, but will be at Portland.... Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Jul 6 04:26:13 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:26:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Crossley Motors 100 Year Australian Rally Message-ID: <001f01c4634c$0e20a020$f6e131d2@km> G'Day All Crossley Brothers of Engine produced engines from 1866, they built cars from 1904. I took my Crossley engine to the Crossley Motors Centenary Rally in May, only a few engines but two nice Vertical Crossley's and a Otto Crossley were there. for a look http://members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/Webpages/Crossley100.html Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines From curt at imc-group.com Tue Jul 6 04:59:49 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 07:59:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? References: <002001c46318$a3609fc0$cdc36e40@don> Message-ID: <40EA9435.4040908@imc-group.com> Don, Without getting into a long drawn out tale there is an unfortunate fellow down here that learned the hard way just what you are speaking of! He rigged up a free standing starter and when the engine fired it move back hard enough to climb the starter wheel and rolled the entire engine over breaking a 10HP Bessemer flywheel into many pieces. As you can imagine he was sick. We were all sick for him too. Whatever the starter motor (if it is truly needed) it would be the best of practice to attach it to the skid the engine is bolted to. Then you are assured absolute control of both parts to prevent any mishaps..... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC D. Fleming wrote: >Glen, > >I am thinking that the starting engine should be engaged to the side of the >flywheel that is coming up ( left side on a flywheel turning clockwise ). >Then when the engine fires it will push the starting engine away from the >flywheel rather than pull it into and under the engine being started. Am I >missing something here??? > >Don Fleming > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Jul 6 05:08:42 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 22:08:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Delivery failure (glenn.karch@gte.net) Message-ID: <002e01c46351$feb82bc0$71121bd3@athlon> I never have worked out what this is all about but, It happens a lot. Is it a fault with my computer or what? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 9:59 PM Subject: Delivery failure (glenn.karch at gte.net) > Your message has encountered delivery problems > to the following recipient(s): > > glenn.karch at gte.net > Delivery failed > 550 You are not allowed to send mail:sc013pub.verizon.net > > > Sent: MAIL FROM: SIZE=2478 > Received:550 You are not allowed to send mail:sc013pub.verizon.net > > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Tue Jul 6 05:54:27 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:54:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice References: <001901c462fc$ac2b8370$d4f70cd1@VAIO> <001501c46306$195b1650$6401a8c0@markby5481638j> Message-ID: <007701c46358$8e8e9f80$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Mark do you mean just put a new copy of the Windows XP Home Version on or do I have to completely dump everything on the computer with a system restore? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark L Shattuck" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > Paul you like me got it a virus . start all over again fresh . Even if you > back up on your system restore the virus comes back .. Since I started over > fresh I have ok > This virus thing backs up with you the only way to get rid of it is to > resatll windows with a clean install.. > > Mark L Shattuck > Waynesboro Va > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Tue Jul 6 06:01:40 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 14:01:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Delivery failure (glenn.karch@gte.net) In-Reply-To: <002e01c46351$feb82bc0$71121bd3@athlon> References: <002e01c46351$feb82bc0$71121bd3@athlon> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 22:08:42 +1000, you wrote: >I never have worked out what this is all about but, It happens a lot. >Is it a fault with my computer or what? >Reg & Marg Ingold. Glen's ISP has a block on email from your own ISP by the look of the error message. Not an unusual thing, Easynet gets blocked quite a lot when spammers use their email system for sending spam out. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pmaples at anaxis.net Tue Jul 6 05:57:28 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:57:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice References: <001901c462fc$ac2b8370$d4f70cd1@VAIO> <001501c46306$195b1650$6401a8c0@markby5481638j> Message-ID: <008101c46359$3cf2f0d0$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Mark please call me at 501-230-8229. Give me your telephone number when you call and hang up instantly and I will call you back. This computer will not stay connected long enough to even download my e-mail messages. Thanks, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark L Shattuck" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > Paul you like me got it a virus . start all over again fresh . Even if you > back up on your system restore the virus comes back .. Since I started over > fresh I have ok > This virus thing backs up with you the only way to get rid of it is to > resatll windows with a clean install.. > > Mark L Shattuck > Waynesboro Va > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Jul 6 06:21:20 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:21:20 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? References: <002001c46318$a3609fc0$cdc36e40@don> <40EA9435.4040908@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000501c4635c$20e5ab00$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> I have seen doing this many times and it works perfect. With the help of a tractor, push the wheel to the flywheel and when the engine runs let it lose. Pic can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/enginestarting.jpg John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > Don, > Without getting into a long drawn out tale there is an unfortunate > fellow down here that learned the hard way just what you are speaking > of! He rigged up a free standing starter and when the engine fired it > move back hard enough to climb the starter wheel and rolled the entire > engine over breaking a 10HP Bessemer flywheel into many pieces. As you > can imagine he was sick. We were all sick for him too. > Whatever the starter motor (if it is truly needed) it would be the best > of practice to attach it to the skid the engine is bolted to. Then you > are assured absolute control of both parts to prevent any mishaps..... > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > D. Fleming wrote: > > >Glen, > > > >I am thinking that the starting engine should be engaged to the side of the > >flywheel that is coming up ( left side on a flywheel turning clockwise ). > >Then when the engine fires it will push the starting engine away from the > >flywheel rather than pull it into and under the engine being started. Am I > >missing something here??? > > > >Don Fleming > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at the-i.net Tue Jul 6 06:27:24 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:27:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Auction Site needed References: <013b01c46239$56bb4d30$d3f70cd1@VAIO> <021b01c46300$e8e0c150$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <003701c4635c$fa0b4480$07905841@oemcomputer> Hi All, > I've changed 'puters and have lost the site where auction results are > listed. Can anyone help me? Thanks! > Dave Does -this one- have speakers and an automatic starter ? From kerogas at the-i.net Tue Jul 6 06:36:55 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:36:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? References: <002001c46318$a3609fc0$cdc36e40@don> <40EA9435.4040908@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004301c4635e$4f3d2760$07905841@oemcomputer> > Don, > Without getting into a long drawn out tale there is an unfortunate > fellow down here that learned the hard way just what you are speaking > of! He rigged up a free standing starter and when the engine fired it > move back hard enough to climb the starter wheel and rolled the entire > engine over breaking a 10HP Bessemer flywheel into many pieces. As you > can imagine he was sick. We were all sick for him too. ch He's still sick , or so the reappearing adv for a wheel would suggest that was a garden tiller with a mower tire mounted on it . If the pony motor is bolted down with stops on the slides it wont get under the wheel . but with no overrunning clutch there will be a difference of opinion between the two when she starts and tire smoking imagine a pair of parralell tubes for motor mounts one slides inside the other . The outside pair bolted to the enginewith a big lever and several big springs . The inners bolted to the engine frame .start the pony , delatch and let the springs pull it into the wheel slowly with the lever . if the engine lights , you pull it back and latch out . Chuck Balyeat Engineers Essentials http://www.angelfire.com/tx/hotube/indexps.html From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Jul 6 07:39:30 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:39:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? Message-ID: <20040706.104434.872.3.jlb94@juno.com> starting them with a little engine and a rubber wheel? = = = = = Hi Glenn - My Suggestion - GET HELP !!! - Forget the rubber wheel. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Jul 6 07:37:28 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:37:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytags completed and running Message-ID: <20040706.104434.872.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rex, Congrats on Finishing the Maytags - We all know that Maytags DO NOT RUN !! In any case - - - What part does "The Unknown Comic" have to do with this ??? Good Job ! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From Markshattuck at ntelos.net Tue Jul 6 08:11:41 2004 From: Markshattuck at ntelos.net (Mark L Shattuck) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:11:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice References: <001901c462fc$ac2b8370$d4f70cd1@VAIO><001501c46306$195b1650$6401a8c0@markby5481638j> <007701c46358$8e8e9f80$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <005e01c4636b$8c4fd870$6401a8c0@markby5481638j> Paul I just renstalled windows xp with the clean install feature . at first I tryed to do the repair feature(which was system restore) and the virus came with it . so I went back and chose clean install and the virus went bye bye my computer is running like it did went it was new . Mark From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Jul 6 08:12:39 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:12:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Crossley Motors 100 Year Australian Rally Message-ID: <20040706.081240.1088.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Nice pictures Kerry, Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:26:13 +1000 "Kerry" writes: > G'Day All > > Crossley Brothers of Engine produced engines from 1866, they built > cars from > 1904. > I took my Crossley engine to the Crossley Motors Centenary Rally in > May, > only a few engines but two nice Vertical Crossley's and a Otto > Crossley were > there. > for a look > http://members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/Webpages/Crossley100.html > > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow NSW OZ > > Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 > > Friends in Engines From BillMil357 at aol.com Tue Jul 6 08:46:58 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:46:58 EDT Subject: [SEL] Test. Message-ID: <1ca.252e5cc5.2e1c2372@aol.com> Hi Guy's; This is just a test. Thanks, Bill Miller. From BillMil357 at aol.com Tue Jul 6 10:18:04 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:18:04 EDT Subject: [SEL] Little OT pitcher pump that I want to drive with Herc. Message-ID: <9e.e9c7d4e.2e1c38cc@aol.com> Hello; I have not been able to Receive the SEL for the last three days and I don't know how many of you might have been unable to also, I am now rec. a few messages, I put the following message up July 3rd. and in case some didn't get it I am posting it again below. Hey Men; I still have not had anyone able to tell me who Manufactured my pitcher (Cistern) pump, it has FP and a part number cast into all the cast fittings, could that be Fairbanks Pump just guessing. Also what chemical can I use to get the worse tarnish off the brass cylinder, Paul Maples has a big buffer that we can put the finishing touch to it and should I urethane clear coat it outside when I get the brass bright. Does anyone have one like this or has seen one besides the two fellows that said they had seen one in their childhood? I got a good message from Curt Andree today, he said he had the leathers for it, all my pump pictures are at this address http://community.webshots.com/album/157829854MYkbaV Thanks, Bill Miller, Memphis, TN. From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Tue Jul 6 11:02:53 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:02:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines Message-ID: <0df101c46383$75c532e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Does anyone have an old set or 2 of chain falls from 1900-1930 area??? I am looking for 2 different sets, stuck , broke , doesnt matter, let me know, Tks Did Little Wonder make there own engines or were they kits like Little Stewart etc??? A fiend is being offered a 3/4 hp tank cooled engine for 3 K and I told him I thought it was too much. Any help will be appreciated, Tks Again Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 From bboyce at swat.coop Tue Jul 6 10:59:26 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:59:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? References: Message-ID: <004601c46382$fa6cf740$6401a8c0@BillyBob> glenn, the rig we built is a 5 horse b&s bolted to a small square angle iron frame,,, an 3/4 inch axle with 2 go cart type wheels and tires are also mounted to the frame and chain driven to the auto clutch on the b&s,,,,, we pin this to a couple of lugs on the Reid skid, pinned on the back side so it will pivot upward in the front, and the go cart tires engage both flywheels,,,, a bar, maybe 5 feet long, is slipped under the pony frame, and pushed down to pivot the front of the frame up,,,,, when the reid is warmed up and runnning good, we pull the pin, remove the pony rig, and shove it under the trailer, out of sight,,, dont think i have any pictures of it, but i;ll look,, bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:42 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? > Does it work flawless or is there a chance it may get sucked in by the Reid? > I thought reid was spelled ried. Hmm. that doesn't look right either. must > be > Reid. > > No, I don't remember seeing it or pictures of it. > > Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Bill Boyce > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:37 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? > > > glenn,, have you seen the removable pony engine bryan and i set up to start > the Reid? maybe this is something similar to what you're wanting to do? > bill boyce > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenn Wilson" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 7:17 AM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? > > > > No - I've been lazy. The head isn't even off it. > > The 60 starts with air :) > > > > I'm mounting a 22.5HP Bessemer on steel wheels and wondering > > how to start it. I'm not as strong as I used to be and I know they turn > > HARD. My little 15HP half breed starts ok but it only has one flywheel. > > I just doubt I can start the 22.5HP myself without help and I'm > > thinking of doing it the easy way with a little engine. > > Glenn > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard > > Fink Sr > > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:56 AM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? > > > > > > Hi Glenn it appears you may be ready to start that 60 hp?????????????? > > R Fink > > PA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 11:19 PM 7/4/2004 -0400, you wrote: > > >What suggestions do you folks have for those of us with BIG engines > > >who are going to try starting them with a little engine and a rubber > > >wheel? I know if it is done wrong, it can suck the engine in and bust > > >the flywheel or worse. > > >Thanks, Glenn Wilson > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Jul 6 11:21:07 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:21:07 EDT Subject: [SEL] Test. ot Message-ID: <1ec.248c45df.2e1c4793@aol.com> In a message dated 7/6/2004 1:41:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BillMil357 at aol.com writes: << This is just a test. >> Bill, I see that your test came thru ok and mine is doing the same. AOL must have changed some spam controls this morning allowing us to get the list mail again. It is nice to know that we have "Big Brother AOL and the Government" looking after our interests! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From yostsw at atis.net Tue Jul 6 11:38:37 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 14:38:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] AOL users of ATIS References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200> <200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200> <200406231816100593.1B13A373@192.168.2.200> <200406241145380078.1ED4722F@192.168.2.200> <200406241734500359.201437E1@192.168.2.200> Message-ID: <200407061438370953.14B4E57A@192.168.2.200> Long story short: - AOL was blocking mail from many mail servers in the Triad NC area, including mine. This outage lasted fro a few days by was fixed early this mourning, according to AOL. Long story long: - AOL blocks mail being sent directly from dynamic and "residential"(I am not sure how they define or identify "residential) address. They assume this mail should come from the ISPs mail server, not directly from the addresses of this ISP. Late last week or this weekend Time Warner(AKA Road Runner), a parent/sibling company of AOL, sent a block of IP addresses to AOL as residential or dynamic IP addresses. Unfortunately, according to AOL, this block of IP address was incorrect and even more unfortunately, this block included my IP address(I am neither dynamic or "residential" by the way). AOL/RR caught their own problem and fixed it but not until there was at least 1-2 days of blocked mail. Sorry for any inconvenience. Here is a like to a web page explaining the error I was receiving from AOL: http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554rtrbb.html Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Jul 6 06:01:12 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:01:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] FW: k & l stationary engin Message-ID: <200407061858.i66IwtDh004419@heavyiron.atis.net> If anyone can help with this question please reply to the address below. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW _____ From: bill watson [mailto:wiliwat at optusnet.com.au] Subject: k & l stationary engin i am in townsville north queensland and i am looking for any info on a kelly and lewis 2 cyl 6 hp diesesl stationary engine would appreciate any help you could give me thanks From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jul 6 12:32:21 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:32:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice In-Reply-To: <001901c462fc$ac2b8370$d4f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <000001c4638f$f6fc75b0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Paul, without a little time I can't tell you what it IS, but can tell you it's pretty much NOT a virus. It's amazing how many computer woes get blamed on viruses now days. It's usually easier than finding the real cause. Most computer ills are due to file corruption, file conflicts, ill-behaved software, spyware or hardware malfunctions. A real computer virus doesn't typically "disconnect". If NAV says you don't have a virus, you don't have one. They aren't magic and don't escape detection that easily. Bill (former anti-virus administrator for a very large financial company, and former Symantec support volunteer who just turned down a Symantec position in California) -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:58 PM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice Folks I am having a problem again that I had about a month ago and it is really frustrating. I connect to my ISP and check my e-mail but the minute I try to use Internet Explorer it will disconnect my computer from the ISP and I have to dial back up to get on line again. The last time I completely done a Complete System Recovery, reformatted my hard drive and it has worked until now and it is starting it all over. I have Norton Internet Security (Professional) and I ran it and there are no virus's indicated. I have dumped every program on the PC except the absolute ones I have to have. I don't even want to think that I have to do another system recovery and start all over again. Any ides from you computer guru's? I am on dial up, not DSL. I am wondering if DSL would help solve some of these issues. Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wilson at stny.rr.com Tue Jul 6 14:27:28 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:27:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? In-Reply-To: <20040706.104434.872.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Maybe - I'm not as strong as I used to be AND I've seen some pretty healthy guys spinning a 22.5HP Bessember. I don't think I could do it myself. I haven't yet started my 18HP Christensen by myself but I saw a video of Skip starting it by himself. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 10:40 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? starting them with a little engine and a rubber wheel? = = = = = Hi Glenn - My Suggestion - GET HELP !!! - Forget the rubber wheel. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kkinney at herculesengines.com Tue Jul 6 14:26:15 2004 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 16:26:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20040705055516.00b85da0@mail.keyconn.net> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040706161942.02aa5e68@mail.herculesengines.com> Glenn Take a look at this link to see how we rigged up a pony engine on our Superior 25 HP. http://www.herculesengines.com/OFES/images/Portland2002/2002_0824_134151AA.jpg It works by turning the iron wheel on the back of the cart. It activates a threaded rod that moves the pony motor in our out. It works real well but could would work better if the rub wheel were smaller. You really have to slip the clutch to get it up to speed. I put a small hydraulic jack under the exhaust valve and get her turning over pretty good. Release the exhaust valve, adjust the fuel mixture and away she goes. We are getting better at starting the engine by hand and I expect we'll be removing the pony engine before to long. Keith At 07:17 AM 7/5/2004, you wrote: >No - I've been lazy. The head isn't even off it. >The 60 starts with air :) > >I'm mounting a 22.5HP Bessemer on steel wheels and wondering >how to start it. I'm not as strong as I used to be and I know they turn >HARD. My little 15HP half breed starts ok but it only has one flywheel. >I just doubt I can start the 22.5HP myself without help and I'm >thinking of doing it the easy way with a little engine. >Glenn > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard >Fink Sr >Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:56 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? > > >Hi Glenn it appears you may be ready to start that 60 hp?????????????? >R Fink >PA > > > > > > >At 11:19 PM 7/4/2004 -0400, you wrote: > >What suggestions do you folks have for those of us with BIG engines > >who are going to try starting them with a little engine and a rubber > >wheel? I know if it is done wrong, it can suck the engine in and bust > >the flywheel or worse. > >Thanks, Glenn Wilson > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA kkinney(N0 Spam)@HerculesEngines.com - Please remove the (N0 Spam) WWW.HerculesEngines.com To join the Hercules Engines e-mail list send an email to: HerculesEnginesGroup-subscribe at yahoogroups.com From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Jul 6 14:29:27 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:29:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] AOL users of ATIS Message-ID: <8c.f07654b.2e1c73b7@aol.com> In a message dated 7/6/2004 4:03:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, yostsw at atis.net writes: << AOL was blocking mail from many mail servers in the Triad NC area, including mine. >> Spencer, Thanks for all you help in keeping the list running! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From kkinney at herculesengines.com Tue Jul 6 14:57:44 2004 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 16:57:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20040705055516.00b85da0@mail.keyconn.net> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040706165046.02adc298@mail.herculesengines.com> Glenn If you look around at the pictures I have posted on these two web sites you will see several variations of pony motor setups that people have used to start their big engines. http://www.herculesengines.com/OFES/Portland2002.htm http://www.herculesengines.com/OFES/Elnora2002.htm Then for the smaller engines is this really neat setup. Maybe you could scale this idea larger. http://www.herculesengines.com/starter/ Keith At 07:17 AM 7/5/2004, you wrote: >No - I've been lazy. The head isn't even off it. >The 60 starts with air :) > >I'm mounting a 22.5HP Bessemer on steel wheels and wondering >how to start it. I'm not as strong as I used to be and I know they turn >HARD. My little 15HP half breed starts ok but it only has one flywheel. >I just doubt I can start the 22.5HP myself without help and I'm >thinking of doing it the easy way with a little engine. >Glenn > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard >Fink Sr >Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:56 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Big engine starting wheels? > > >Hi Glenn it appears you may be ready to start that 60 hp?????????????? >R Fink >PA > > > > > > >At 11:19 PM 7/4/2004 -0400, you wrote: > >What suggestions do you folks have for those of us with BIG engines > >who are going to try starting them with a little engine and a rubber > >wheel? I know if it is done wrong, it can suck the engine in and bust > >the flywheel or worse. > >Thanks, Glenn Wilson > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA kkinney(N0 Spam)@HerculesEngines.com - Please remove the (N0 Spam) WWW.HerculesEngines.com To join the Hercules Engines e-mail list send an email to: HerculesEnginesGroup-subscribe at yahoogroups.com From pmaples at anaxis.net Tue Jul 6 15:38:33 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:38:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice References: <000001c4638f$f6fc75b0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <03b101c463a9$fb9e60a0$d0f70cd1@VAIO> Bill I ran Norton Internet Security (Professional Version) and it said no virus's, I ran Housecall.antivirus.com and it to said I had no virus's so with your statement I am convinced that I d not have a virus. This happened to me about a month ago and I did a complete System Recover (took me two days) and this solved the problem up until now. I am running Windows XP Home Version. Do you have any recommendations other than a complete system recovery? One guy called me and told me that he reloaded Windows XP and did what he called a clean sweep, now a repair, and this took care of his "virus" as he called it. I dread dumping all of my files and reformatting the hard drive in a System Recovery. I am open to any thing to try whether it works or now. Thanks Bill for writing back. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 2:32 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > Paul, without a little time I can't tell you what it IS, but can tell you > it's pretty much NOT a virus. > It's amazing how many computer woes get blamed on viruses now days. > It's usually easier than finding the real cause. > Most computer ills are due to file corruption, file conflicts, ill-behaved > software, spyware or hardware malfunctions. A real computer virus doesn't > typically "disconnect". > If NAV says you don't have a virus, you don't have one. They aren't magic > and don't escape detection that easily. > > Bill > (former anti-virus administrator for a very large financial company, and > former Symantec support volunteer who just turned down a Symantec position > in California) > > -----Original Message----- > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Jul 6 15:45:46 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:45:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice References: <001901c462fc$ac2b8370$d4f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <001b01c463aa$fa98bb00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Paul, Sounds like the blaster worm. Had to remove one for a friend a few days ago. Check out: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.blaster.worm.removal.tool.html for the removal program. If you need more help, contact me off list. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 7:57 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > Folks I am having a problem again that I had about a month ago and it is > really frustrating. I connect to my ISP and check my e-mail but the minute I > try to use Internet Explorer it will disconnect my computer from the ISP and > I have to dial back up to get on line again. The last time I completely done > a Complete System Recovery, reformatted my hard drive and it has worked > until now and it is starting it all over. I have Norton Internet Security > (Professional) and I ran it and there are no virus's indicated. I have > dumped every program on the PC except the absolute ones I have to have. I > don't even want to think that I have to do another system recovery and start > all over again. > > Any ides from you computer guru's? I am on dial up, not DSL. I am wondering > if DSL would help solve some of these issues. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From keebler at ptd.net Tue Jul 6 16:56:23 2004 From: keebler at ptd.net (Francis jr) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:56:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Aermotor info wanted Message-ID: <004301c463b5$12ea6c80$bd2dee18@ptdprolog.net> Just a quick hello to everybody on the list. HELLO!! Well anyway, Im just finishing up my new restoration on my Aermotor 8 Cycle. I would like to get all the info that I can on the engines. If you would like to send any info that you know, it would be much appreciated. This includes ANY info. Things you heard, things you know, things that you think are correct but not sure, ANYTHING. Id like to get together something to put on the internet. Also, if you have an Aermotor of any kind, id like to start a serial number list. Just send your name a pic, and some details.....what condition,flyweight or ball gov, etc. Again, if I get enough together, it will be put on the internet. Again, Thanks very much for your help. Frank Y P.S.--If you know the running speed of the 8-Cycle, I need to know that too. From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Jul 6 18:07:10 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:07:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice References: <000001c4638f$f6fc75b0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <000701c463be$bc0a8a80$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Bill, The Blaster Worm will shut down a computer. Not a true virus, but a worm. An anti virus that is out of date won't catch it, and that is Paul's problem. The Microsoft patch, and the virus definition have been out for almost a year now. I just cleaned a system a couple weeks ago with the worm. I spent about four hours cleaning and updating the computer, and that was on DSL. There were over 25 Meg of Microsoft updates, and about the same for the anti virus. There really is no excuse for this. So to you and all on the list: Install all Microsoft critical updates weekly, and update your anti virus at least once a week. Run a virus scan weekly, and most can be automated, so there is no excuse. Install a firewall, or at least use the one that came with XP. It's better than nothing. Also use Lavasoft Adaware for spyware. It's free. There is also another option. Pay someone like me or my buddy a couple hundred bucks to clean up your mess. The system I did was for my cousin and she was informed the next one won't be free. For more info on the worm check out: http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.mspx Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:32 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > Paul, without a little time I can't tell you what it IS, but can tell you > it's pretty much NOT a virus. > It's amazing how many computer woes get blamed on viruses now days. > It's usually easier than finding the real cause. > Most computer ills are due to file corruption, file conflicts, ill-behaved > software, spyware or hardware malfunctions. A real computer virus doesn't > typically "disconnect". > If NAV says you don't have a virus, you don't have one. They aren't magic > and don't escape detection that easily. > > Bill > (former anti-virus administrator for a very large financial company, and > former Symantec support volunteer who just turned down a Symantec position > in California) > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:58 PM > To: Stationary Engine List > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > Folks I am having a problem again that I had about a month ago and it is > really frustrating. I connect to my ISP and check my e-mail but the minute I > try to use Internet Explorer it will disconnect my computer from the ISP and > I have to dial back up to get on line again. The last time I completely done > a Complete System Recovery, reformatted my hard drive and it has worked > until now and it is starting it all over. I have Norton Internet Security > (Professional) and I ran it and there are no virus's indicated. I have > dumped every program on the PC except the absolute ones I have to have. I > don't even want to think that I have to do another system recovery and start > all over again. > > Any ides from you computer guru's? I am on dial up, not DSL. I am wondering > if DSL would help solve some of these issues. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Tue Jul 6 18:43:40 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:43:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems Message-ID: <04a901c463c3$f3342570$d0f70cd1@VAIO> Folks here is where I stand on this problem: I have Windows XP, I am on dial up service. I dial up my ISP and I connect, no problem, however it may totally disconnect me from my dial up service at any moment, sometimes within 60 seconds, other times it may run a few minutes but always disconnects me and I have to dial back up. Jeff Allen tried to help me thinking it was the Blaster Worm but as Jeff said the Blaster Worm gives you notice that it is going to shut your computer down within seconds and it turns the computer off. My computer does not turn off, it just disconnects from the ISP. I get no messages, it just disconnects. I have Norton Internet Security (Professional Version) and I do a live update each morning when I first turn it on. The instant I get any notice of a Microsoft Update I stop and download all updates. I used a different virus program also and both programs said I do not have any virus's. IT has me stumped but if I don't fix it soon I am going to have to do a System Recovery and lose a lot of files and it will take me two days to get back on line. One gentleman called me today and told me all I had to do was to reload Windows XP and to do a Clean Load, not a Repair Load. My Windows XP came on my computer so I do not have just the Windows XP operating system, it is all on the Recovery Disk. Any fresh ideas will be appreciated. Hey I have stayed connected this time long enough to write this message so I am going to stop and send it before I disconnect. Paul From ivancou at usachoice.net Tue Jul 6 18:47:20 2004 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:47:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help to Portland References: <013b01c46239$56bb4d30$d3f70cd1@VAIO><000701c462f5$a88dee80$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> <002501c462fc$f8bf1710$d4f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <000301c463c4$6e5f5da0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Antique T t t t tractor . Even the evil one confesses to own one . Ivan From oldengin at udata.com Tue Jul 6 19:26:49 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 22:26:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] help? In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040706165046.02adc298@mail.herculesengines.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20040705055516.00b85da0@mail.keyconn.net> <6.1.0.6.0.20040706165046.02adc298@mail.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <40EB5F69.1040402@udata.com> Gday Hey, what is latex glue and where do I find it???? Have a project that needs some, more on it later 8-) sights might be made in Portland -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From pmaples at anaxis.net Tue Jul 6 19:51:36 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:51:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help to Portland References: <013b01c46239$56bb4d30$d3f70cd1@VAIO><000701c462f5$a88dee80$ea83fea9@y0y2a7><002501c462fc$f8bf1710$d4f70cd1@VAIO> <000301c463c4$6e5f5da0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Message-ID: <052b01c463cd$587c1970$d0f70cd1@VAIO> Ivan I don't believe you have stirred any of those tractor guys up enough to haul out my corn chopper, what does it take to fire these guys fired up. Surely there is someone in the big state of New York that can haul my little bitty corn chopper out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivan Cousins" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Transportation Help to Portland > Antique T t t t tractor . Even the evil one confesses to own one . Ivan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Jul 6 19:54:53 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:54:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] help? In-Reply-To: <40EB5F69.1040402@udata.com> Message-ID: <200407070254.i672suhJ023981@heavyiron.atis.net> > Hey, what is latex glue and where do I find it???? Have > a project that needs some, more on it later 8-) sights might > be made in Portland Hey bro, Perhaps you could try www.latex.com From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jul 6 19:56:18 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:56:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice In-Reply-To: <000701c463be$bc0a8a80$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <001801c463cd$faba37d0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> It CAN shut down a computer - but only certain operating systems, not all. And, it has nothing to do with dial-up connections. It's a root service that it affects and the end result is a complete Windows shutdown. (which you can PREVENT, by the way, with a simple command) However, that is NOT the intent of BLASTER - that is a SIDE EFFECT only, not by design. So I still maintain, the virus does not attempt to disconnect from the Internet. And my statement still stands - NAV will catch the virus - you mention "out of date" - that is the fault of the operator, not the product, so the product will indeed catch it, however, it's like a gun - a gun will only hit what the operator aims at, operator error equals missed target. Failure to load gun, missed target. BLASTER is quite old, so unless they have not updated this year at all, NAV will find the "original" BLASTER. Do watch for VARIANTS, however. Yes, I'm aware of what "blaster" does, and doesn't do - I've written articles on computer viruses, including FAQs used by Symantec............... I've even disassembled them - and ( just turned down a chance to be an engineer at Symantec, working on their corporate products. Their engineers called me and wanted to fly me out to Santa Monica but we refuse to live in CA) And I'm a lot cheaper than a couple hundred bucks - I can clean them up in a couple of hours, $35/hour. I've cleaned up entire corporate networks.............. I still stick with my original contention that about 90% of computer woes blamed on "viruses" are NOT viruses. Yes, viruses DO infect computers and cause problems, but in my experience (over 14 years worth of computer virus fighting) MOST issues are not virus related at all - and everyone seems to like to cry "VIRUS!" at the first sign of computer problems - the result is that they learn NOTHING about the REAL cause, and simply go in and blast things away and do a resintall! Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:07 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice Bill, The Blaster Worm will shut down a computer. Not a true virus, but a worm. An anti virus that is out of date won't catch it, and that is Paul's problem. The Microsoft patch, and the virus definition have been out for almost a year now. I just cleaned a system a couple weeks ago with the worm. I spent about four hours cleaning and updating the computer, and that was on DSL. There were over 25 Meg of Microsoft updates, and about the same for the anti virus. There really is no excuse for this. So to you and all on the list: Install all Microsoft critical updates weekly, and update your anti virus at least once a week. Run a virus scan weekly, and most can be automated, so there is no excuse. Install a firewall, or at least use the one that came with XP. It's better than nothing. Also use Lavasoft Adaware for spyware. It's free. There is also another option. Pay someone like me or my buddy a couple hundred bucks to clean up your mess. The system I did was for my cousin and she was informed the next one won't be free. For more info on the worm check out: http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.mspx Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:32 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > Paul, without a little time I can't tell you what it IS, but can tell > you it's pretty much NOT a virus. It's amazing how many computer woes > get blamed on viruses now days. It's usually easier than finding the > real cause. Most computer ills are due to file corruption, file > conflicts, ill-behaved software, spyware or hardware malfunctions. A > real computer virus doesn't typically "disconnect". > If NAV says you don't have a virus, you don't have one. They aren't magic > and don't escape detection that easily. > > Bill > (former anti-virus administrator for a very large financial company, > and former Symantec support volunteer who just turned down a Symantec > position in California) > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul > Maples > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:58 PM > To: Stationary Engine List > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > Folks I am having a problem again that I had about a month ago and it > is really frustrating. I connect to my ISP and check my e-mail but the > minute I > try to use Internet Explorer it will disconnect my computer from the > ISP and > I have to dial back up to get on line again. The last time I > completely done > a Complete System Recovery, reformatted my hard drive and it has > worked until now and it is starting it all over. I have Norton > Internet Security > (Professional) and I ran it and there are no virus's indicated. I have > dumped every program on the PC except the absolute ones I have to have. I > don't even want to think that I have to do another system recovery and start > all over again. > > Any ides from you computer guru's? I am on dial up, not DSL. I am wondering > if DSL would help solve some of these issues. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jul 6 20:03:14 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 22:03:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems In-Reply-To: <04a901c463c3$f3342570$d0f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <001901c463ce$f288a230$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Paul - a bad modem or phone line will also do this! I'm serious, it happens to me once in a while, simply because our phone lines get wet - they suck. A bad modem can do this. I had to move to a dedicated telephone line and a new modem to get mine to stay connected. I went to a brand new internal modem and ran CAT5 cable from the demark to the back of the computer. Disconnects are now rare, they used to happen every couple of hours. IF you can find a spare modem, or connect on another line, try that before going too crazy - might save you a ton of work! Most computer issues are much more simple that folks make them out to be. And I am sorry, but I get sick of everyone crying "VIRUS!!!!" each time a computer burps. Virus happen, but cause less computer woes than you think. Computers DO BREAK, ya know! They are electro-mechanical devices made by humans - they can simply break or go bad. Files also simply get corrupted - gee, it's WINDOWS! They get corrupted more often do to other causes than viruses. Viruses are not the leading cause of file corruption or loss. Drives can and do still go bad - much more RARE now, but it does happen now and then. XP is good, but not perfect - it can crash and lead to terrible messes and file loss and corruption, totally unrelated to viruses. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:44 PM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems Folks here is where I stand on this problem: I have Windows XP, I am on dial up service. I dial up my ISP and I connect, no problem, however it may totally disconnect me from my dial up service at any moment, sometimes within 60 seconds, other times it may run a few minutes but always disconnects me and I have to dial back up. Jeff Allen tried to help me thinking it was the Blaster Worm but as Jeff said the Blaster Worm gives you notice that it is going to shut your computer down within seconds and it turns the computer off. My computer does not turn off, it just disconnects from the ISP. I get no messages, it just disconnects. I have Norton Internet Security (Professional Version) and I do a live update each morning when I first turn it on. The instant I get any notice of a Microsoft Update I stop and download all updates. I used a different virus program also and both programs said I do not have any virus's. IT has me stumped but if I don't fix it soon I am going to have to do a System Recovery and lose a lot of files and it will take me two days to get back on line. One gentleman called me today and told me all I had to do was to reload Windows XP and to do a Clean Load, not a Repair Load. My Windows XP came on my computer so I do not have just the Windows XP operating system, it is all on the Recovery Disk. Any fresh ideas will be appreciated. Hey I have stayed connected this time long enough to write this message so I am going to stop and send it before I disconnect. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Jul 6 22:00:02 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:00:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice References: <001801c463cd$faba37d0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <002801c463df$44888130$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hells bells Bill, >snip And I'm a lot cheaper than a couple hundred bucks - I can clean them up in a > couple of hours, $35/hour. I mentioned that I would charge a couple hundred to clean and update. Tell us all how to do a 25 Meg upgrade on dialup in this time frame, and then tell us the best time to hunt bacon with a shotgun. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:56 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > It CAN shut down a computer - but only certain operating systems, not all. > And, it has nothing to do with dial-up connections. > It's a root service that it affects and the end result is a complete Windows > shutdown. > (which you can PREVENT, by the way, with a simple command) > However, that is NOT the intent of BLASTER - that is a SIDE EFFECT only, not > by design. > So I still maintain, the virus does not attempt to disconnect from the > Internet. > And my statement still stands - NAV will catch the virus - you mention "out > of date" - that is the fault of the operator, not the product, so the > product will indeed catch it, however, it's like a gun - a gun will only hit > what the operator aims at, operator error equals missed target. Failure to > load gun, missed target. > BLASTER is quite old, so unless they have not updated this year at all, NAV > will find the "original" BLASTER. Do watch for VARIANTS, however. > > Yes, I'm aware of what "blaster" does, and doesn't do - I've written > articles on computer viruses, including FAQs used by Symantec............... > I've even disassembled them - and ( just turned down a chance to be an > engineer at Symantec, working on their corporate products. Their engineers > called me and wanted to fly me out to Santa Monica but we refuse to live in > CA) > And I'm a lot cheaper than a couple hundred bucks - I can clean them up in a > couple of hours, $35/hour. I've cleaned up entire corporate > networks.............. > > I still stick with my original contention that about 90% of computer woes > blamed on "viruses" are NOT viruses. Yes, viruses DO infect computers and > cause problems, but in my experience (over 14 years worth of computer virus > fighting) MOST issues are not virus related at all - and everyone seems to > like to cry "VIRUS!" at the first sign of computer problems - the result is > that they learn NOTHING about the REAL cause, and simply go in and blast > things away and do a resintall! > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:07 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > Bill, > > The Blaster Worm will shut down a computer. Not a true virus, but a worm. An > anti virus that is out of date won't catch it, and that is Paul's problem. > The Microsoft patch, and the virus definition have been out for almost a > year now. I just cleaned a system a couple weeks ago with the worm. I spent > about four hours cleaning and updating the computer, and that was on DSL. > There were over 25 Meg of Microsoft updates, and about the same for the anti > virus. There really is no excuse for this. So to you and all on the list: > > Install all Microsoft critical updates weekly, and update your anti virus at > least once a week. Run a virus scan weekly, and most can be automated, so > there is no excuse. Install a firewall, or at least use the one that came > with XP. It's better than nothing. Also use Lavasoft Adaware for spyware. > It's free. > > There is also another option. Pay someone like me or my buddy a couple > hundred bucks to clean up your mess. The system I did was for my cousin and > she was informed the next one won't be free. For more info on the worm check > out: > http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.mspx > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Dickerson" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:32 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > Paul, without a little time I can't tell you what it IS, but can tell > > you it's pretty much NOT a virus. It's amazing how many computer woes > > get blamed on viruses now days. It's usually easier than finding the > > real cause. Most computer ills are due to file corruption, file > > conflicts, ill-behaved software, spyware or hardware malfunctions. A > > real computer virus doesn't typically "disconnect". > > If NAV says you don't have a virus, you don't have one. They aren't magic > > and don't escape detection that easily. > > > > Bill > > (former anti-virus administrator for a very large financial company, > > and former Symantec support volunteer who just turned down a Symantec > > position in California) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul > > Maples > > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:58 PM > > To: Stationary Engine List > > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > > > Folks I am having a problem again that I had about a month ago and it > > is really frustrating. I connect to my ISP and check my e-mail but the > > minute > I > > try to use Internet Explorer it will disconnect my computer from the > > ISP > and > > I have to dial back up to get on line again. The last time I > > completely > done > > a Complete System Recovery, reformatted my hard drive and it has > > worked until now and it is starting it all over. I have Norton > > Internet Security > > (Professional) and I ran it and there are no virus's indicated. I have > > dumped every program on the PC except the absolute ones I have to have. I > > don't even want to think that I have to do another system recovery and > start > > all over again. > > > > Any ides from you computer guru's? I am on dial up, not DSL. I am > wondering > > if DSL would help solve some of these issues. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Paul > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Jul 7 04:31:24 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 07:31:24 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems Message-ID: <148.2db6b19c.2e1d390c@aol.com> In a message dated 7/6/2004 11:07:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bill at antique-engines.com writes: << I went to a brand new internal modem and ran CAT5 cable from the demark to the back of the computer. >> Bill, You computer gru's keep on talking so an illiterate like me can learn. What is a CAT5 cable and denmark? Is this something that can help connection speeds to a phone line? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Jul 7 04:42:57 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 12:42:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems In-Reply-To: <148.2db6b19c.2e1d390c@aol.com> References: <148.2db6b19c.2e1d390c@aol.com> Message-ID: <97one01tdap7gmm5pv3q6d428lajspfb00@4ax.com> On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 07:31:24 EDT, you wrote: >You computer gru's keep on talking so an illiterate like me can learn. What >is a CAT5 cable and denmark? Is this something that can help connection >speeds to a phone line? > >Tom Schmutz Tom: Cat5 is a type of networking cable that is used extensively for telecoms and is designed for use with lines and modems. Demark is probably Bills abbreviation for the demarcation point between where the phone service enters his building and where his own wiring takes over. As a lot of us use PC's entensively in our businesses and homes alongside the engine hobby, we have a much better understanding of the workings etc than the guys that just use them occasionally, and it would probably be a good idea for some of these expressions to be a little more user-friendly :-)) Done any more to the web-site? Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 7 05:36:28 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 07:36:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems In-Reply-To: <148.2db6b19c.2e1d390c@aol.com> Message-ID: <008e01c4641f$06f21a30$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> CAT 5 is "category 5" cable, it's the level of quality, put simply. There are a certain number of twists in certain pairs of wires within the cable, in short. Could get the full specs, but that's not needed here. Phone cable is low-quality cable, made for voice only, static doesn't matter. Categories 3 on up improve the cable quality, thus reducing noise and interference and allowing higher frequencies to traverse the cable with less interference. There's a bit more to it, but again, not needed here. I mis-spelled, I suspect. D mark is the point outside your house (usually outside) where the phone cable owned cable from the outside joins the house cable that you own and are responsible for - it's the point where their wires and your wires connect, typically on the side of the house, usually outside. If you run a clean, good cable from that point to the computer, you really reduce the possibility of problems. There are so many splices and break points in the phone wiring in a house, and they use the cheapest cable possible, again, they wire and guarantee it for voice only. They really don't have to make it any better than that. I do a "home run" (one cable, no breaks, no splices, straightest route) from the point of the phone company cable to my computer. I had to to remove interference and static. A modem WILL hang up or disconnect if there is poor signal quality - i.e.. Static, cross-talk, etc. This also allows the highest possible speeds - modems "negotiate" speeds - they start high, then keep dropping speed until they get to a point that communications are good. A bad cable can mean a 56K modem will connect at only 28.8 or LESS. A good cable can improve that, ASSUMING all else in the line is good........ The phone lines in West Des Moines where Barbara's store is are so bad that a computer/fax which SHOULD send and receive at 14.4 can only connect at 7200 - THAT is SLOW for a FAX. DSL is even slow there! Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 6:31 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems In a message dated 7/6/2004 11:07:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bill at antique-engines.com writes: << I went to a brand new internal modem and ran CAT5 cable from the demark to the back of the computer. >> Bill, You computer gru's keep on talking so an illiterate like me can learn. What is a CAT5 cable and denmark? Is this something that can help connection speeds to a phone line? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Jul 7 06:47:23 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 07:47:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines References: <0df101c46383$75c532e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: Ok, I'll bite..what are "chain falls?" Thanks RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alec Stevens" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines Does anyone have an old set or 2 of chain falls from 1900-1930 area??? I am looking for 2 different sets, stuck , broke , doesnt matter, let me know, Tks Did Little Wonder make there own engines or were they kits like Little Stewart etc??? A fiend is being offered a 3/4 hp tank cooled engine for 3 K and I told him I thought it was too much. Any help will be appreciated, Tks Again Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Wed Jul 7 07:44:50 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:44:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines References: <0df101c46383$75c532e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <0e7201c46430$f5096d20$0301a8c0@ALEC> Rick, Chain falls are what i have always called them, Hoist, winches, etc. are similar but I have only growd up calling them that. hang em in a tree or off something that can support the weight of whatever you are lifting and pull on one end of the chain , it lifts the end up, pull the other side of the chain and it lets it down, Some are a 1 piece continous chain, others are 2 seperate chains. I have never heard of a 3 piece chain in one of these.. The oldest one I have had or seen was last pat.d. in 1867, it was really old and very cool. Some were screw differential types, others rachet and so on. inside the casing the chain runs "doubled up" like using a come -along and having enough cable to double back gives you 2x+ the lifting /pulling capacity. I am sure there are many others on the list who can explain it better Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 > Ok, I'll bite..what are "chain falls?" > > Thanks > RickinMt. > > > > Does anyone have an old set or 2 of chain falls from 1900-1930 area??? > I am looking for 2 different sets, > stuck , broke , doesnt matter, let me know, Tks > > Did Little Wonder make there own engines or were they kits like Little > Stewart etc??? A fiend is being offered a 3/4 hp tank cooled engine for 3 K > and I told him I thought it was too much. Any help will be appreciated, > Tks Again > > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Jul 7 07:58:40 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:58:40 EDT Subject: [SEL] Economy cart Message-ID: <1ec.249e742d.2e1d69a0@aol.com> Made an offer on a nice yard ornament today! Owner does not live where it is located and on oxygen so he does not get out much. He told me he would consider my offer over the phone and to call back in a few days. Do not like to leave it like that as too much thinking time, but had to go along with his wishes. I would like to have been in his presence rather than over the phone. 1923 5F Economy saw rig, sn 285392, complete, one bent wheel, head cracked, all grease cups missing, mag/bracket long gone, very rusted and stuck. Even the idler pulley is there. Hopper full of dirt, but someone long ago loosened the head bolts and pulled it away from the block 1/4 inch, and took out the drain bolt, so do not believe the block is cracked. I have known about this engine for many years and took a notion to follow up on it again the other day. This is the first time the owner has considered selling it, but his health has deteriorated considerably since I last talked to him a few years ago. Pictures at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mvc-006f.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mvc-008f.jpg I have also made arrangements Monday to purchase another Economy drop frame cart that I recently found about at a small local show. It is in good condition, complete, but no engine or idler pulley. Ken Christison was at that show with us when I found out about it. So maybe a good week will turn into a great week!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jul 7 08:11:26 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 11:11:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines References: <0df101c46383$75c532e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <40EC129E.1040701@imc-group.com> Rick, You've seen 'em. Those magic metal boxes with a chain and hook hanging down for lifting heavy loads. And then another loop of chain that you pull on one way to make the load go up and the other way to make the load go down. What they had before electric hoists..... What do you guys on the left coast call 'em? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Richard Strobel wrote: >Ok, I'll bite..what are "chain falls?" > >Thanks >RickinMt. > > > > From solarrog at pacbell.net Wed Jul 7 08:20:08 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:20:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy cart References: <1ec.249e742d.2e1d69a0@aol.com> Message-ID: <023d01c46435$e3f2a1f0$34697343@solar> This looks like a great find, It also looks like a large project, It really deserves to be restored. Good luck! I hope you make a deal Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 7:58 AM Subject: [SEL] Economy cart > Made an offer on a nice yard ornament today! Owner does not live where it is > located and on oxygen so he does not get out much. He told me he would > consider my offer over the phone and to call back in a few days. Do not like to > leave it like that as too much thinking time, but had to go along with his > wishes. I would like to have been in his presence rather than over the phone. > > 1923 5F Economy saw rig, sn 285392, complete, one bent wheel, head cracked, > all grease cups missing, mag/bracket long gone, very rusted and stuck. Even the > idler pulley is there. Hopper full of dirt, but someone long ago loosened the > head bolts and pulled it away from the block 1/4 inch, and took out the drain > bolt, so do not believe the block is cracked. I have known about this engine > for many years and took a notion to follow up on it again the other day. > This is the first time the owner has considered selling it, but his health has > deteriorated considerably since I last talked to him a few years ago. Pictures > at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mvc-006f.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mvc-008f.jpg > > I have also made arrangements Monday to purchase another Economy drop frame > cart that I recently found about at a small local show. It is in good > condition, complete, but no engine or idler pulley. Ken Christison was at that show > with us when I found out about it. > > So maybe a good week will turn into a great week!! > > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rlcook at pionet.net Wed Jul 7 08:26:21 2004 From: rlcook at pionet.net (Ronald L. Cook) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:26:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines In-Reply-To: <40EC129E.1040701@imc-group.com> References: <0df101c46383$75c532e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> <40EC129E.1040701@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <40EC161D.2010002@pionet.net> Here in Northwest Iowa at my place we always call them chain hoists. However, I have a friend that works for a power company and he has always referred to them as chain falls. His go through a gearbox. Ours are an endless chain set up like a block and tackle. That might be the difference or maybe there is no difference other than terminology. Ron Cook Salix, IA Curt Holland wrote: > Rick, > You've seen 'em. Those magic metal boxes with a chain and hook hanging > down for lifting heavy loads. And then another loop of chain that you > pull on one way to make the load go up and the other way to make the > load go down. What they had before electric hoists..... > What do you guys on the left coast call 'em? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Richard Strobel wrote: > >> Ok, I'll bite..what are "chain falls?" >> >> Thanks >> RickinMt. From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Jul 7 08:26:13 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:26:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy cart Message-ID: <20040707.082613.1208.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Nice find Tom. Keep us up on the progress. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Jul 7 08:12:24 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:12:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] help? Message-ID: <20040707.113431.284.4.jlb94@juno.com> Probably a glue that is water based - We used them a lot in the flooring industry. Would need more info. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Jul 7 08:11:00 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:11:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems Message-ID: <20040707.113431.284.3.jlb94@juno.com> Paul - Have you given any thought to your modem ? As cheap as they are - It ain't a bad idea to have an extra. I had a modem that wouldn't hang up after I signed off and my phone line stayed busy. Once a phone call came in at the same time as my computer was dialing out and blew the modem. It may be your modem that's disconnecting. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed Jul 7 09:05:39 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:05:39 EDT Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines Message-ID: <21.4083328f.2e1d7953@aol.com> Hi Rick, The chainfall is a modern equivalent of the Chinese windlass. Another name for a chainfall might be a differential chain hoist. It looks a little like a block and tackle with chain instead of rope, but, the pulley's are all slightly different from each other in size, and, they are relieved so the chain links fall into pockets, effectively having the chain act as gear teeth. The chain is connected in a loop, and, as the direction of the chain moves in one directions, the two blocks either move away from each other or closer together. The force it can generate is immense. Ask me how I know all this? I once pulled a Hudson Hornet a 1/4 block down a muddy ditch using a chainfall and a long cable. It took most of a Sunday to accomplish, but, I got the car out of the ditch without having to call for help. Regards, Ron Carroll Nokesville, Virginia From ottawa at pa.net Wed Jul 7 09:30:16 2004 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:30:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines References: <0df101c46383$75c532e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> <40EC129E.1040701@imc-group.com> <40EC161D.2010002@pionet.net> Message-ID: <323101c4643f$b06d8020$1ef0cd97@HONDESKTOP> Hey Rick, Just go to google and type in chain fall. Surprise! Helen George L. & Helen S. Myers The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Tel 717-536-3711 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ronald L. Cook To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines Here in Northwest Iowa at my place we always call them chain hoists. However, I have a friend that works for a power company and he has always referred to them as chain falls. His go through a gearbox. Ours are an endless chain set up like a block and tackle. That might be the difference or maybe there is no difference other than terminology. Ron Cook Salix, IA Curt Holland wrote: > Rick, > You've seen 'em. Those magic metal boxes with a chain and hook hanging > down for lifting heavy loads. And then another loop of chain that you > pull on one way to make the load go up and the other way to make the > load go down. What they had before electric hoists..... > What do you guys on the left coast call 'em? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Richard Strobel wrote: > >> Ok, I'll bite..what are "chain falls?" >> >> Thanks >> RickinMt. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From don.h at wcoil.com Wed Jul 7 09:54:30 2004 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:54:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] help? References: <4.2.0.58.20040705055516.00b85da0@mail.keyconn.net> <6.1.0.6.0.20040706165046.02adc298@mail.herculesengines.com> <40EB5F69.1040402@udata.com> Message-ID: <001901c46443$12902700$6401a8c0@shop> same thing as liquid nail..also we used Latex glue to install carpet Dr Dave uses it to afix latex ??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy C." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 10:26 PM Subject: [SEL] help? > Gday > Hey, what is latex glue and where do I find it???? Have a project > that needs some, more on it later 8-) sights might be made in Portland > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 7 09:54:27 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:54:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice In-Reply-To: <002801c463df$44888130$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <00be01c46443$116da000$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Updates on CD............... There are apps that will pick what you want then run a script to apply them. And for my personal stuff - you go choose what you want and let it run while you go mow the yard. As for second question - ask John F. Kerry - I hear he's a great shooter! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:00 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice Hells bells Bill, >snip And I'm a lot cheaper than a couple hundred bucks - I can clean them up in a > couple of hours, $35/hour. I mentioned that I would charge a couple hundred to clean and update. Tell us all how to do a 25 Meg upgrade on dialup in this time frame, and then tell us the best time to hunt bacon with a shotgun. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:56 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > It CAN shut down a computer - but only certain operating systems, not > all. And, it has nothing to do with dial-up connections. It's a root > service that it affects and the end result is a complete Windows > shutdown. > (which you can PREVENT, by the way, with a simple command) However, > that is NOT the intent of BLASTER - that is a SIDE EFFECT only, not > by design. > So I still maintain, the virus does not attempt to disconnect from the > Internet. And my statement still stands - NAV will catch the virus - > you mention "out > of date" - that is the fault of the operator, not the product, so the > product will indeed catch it, however, it's like a gun - a gun will > only hit > what the operator aims at, operator error equals missed target. > Failure to load gun, missed target. BLASTER is quite old, so unless > they have not updated this year at all, NAV > will find the "original" BLASTER. Do watch for VARIANTS, however. > > Yes, I'm aware of what "blaster" does, and doesn't do - I've written > articles on computer viruses, including FAQs used by Symantec............... > I've even disassembled them - and ( just turned down a chance to be an > engineer at Symantec, working on their corporate products. Their > engineers called me and wanted to fly me out to Santa Monica but we > refuse to live in > CA) > And I'm a lot cheaper than a couple hundred bucks - I can clean them > up in a > couple of hours, $35/hour. I've cleaned up entire corporate > networks.............. > > I still stick with my original contention that about 90% of computer > woes blamed on "viruses" are NOT viruses. Yes, viruses DO infect > computers and cause problems, but in my experience (over 14 years > worth of computer virus > fighting) MOST issues are not virus related at all - and everyone > seems to like to cry "VIRUS!" at the first sign of computer problems - > the result is > that they learn NOTHING about the REAL cause, and simply go in and > blast things away and do a resintall! > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff > Allen > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:07 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > Bill, > > The Blaster Worm will shut down a computer. Not a true virus, but a > worm. An > anti virus that is out of date won't catch it, and that is Paul's > problem. The Microsoft patch, and the virus definition have been out > for almost a year now. I just cleaned a system a couple weeks ago with > the worm. I spent > about four hours cleaning and updating the computer, and that was on > DSL. There were over 25 Meg of Microsoft updates, and about the same > for the anti > virus. There really is no excuse for this. So to you and all on the > list: > > Install all Microsoft critical updates weekly, and update your anti > virus at > least once a week. Run a virus scan weekly, and most can be automated, > so there is no excuse. Install a firewall, or at least use the one > that came with XP. It's better than nothing. Also use Lavasoft Adaware > for spyware. It's free. > > There is also another option. Pay someone like me or my buddy a couple > hundred bucks to clean up your mess. The system I did was for my > cousin and > she was informed the next one won't be free. For more info on the worm check > out: > http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.mspx > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Dickerson" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:32 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > Paul, without a little time I can't tell you what it IS, but can > > tell you it's pretty much NOT a virus. It's amazing how many > > computer woes get blamed on viruses now days. It's usually easier > > than finding the real cause. Most computer ills are due to file > > corruption, file conflicts, ill-behaved software, spyware or > > hardware malfunctions. A real computer virus doesn't typically > > "disconnect". If NAV says you don't have a virus, you don't have > > one. They aren't magic > > and don't escape detection that easily. > > > > Bill > > (former anti-virus administrator for a very large financial company, > > and former Symantec support volunteer who just turned down a > > Symantec position in California) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul > > Maples > > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:58 PM > > To: Stationary Engine List > > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > > > Folks I am having a problem again that I had about a month ago and > > it is really frustrating. I connect to my ISP and check my e-mail > > but the minute > I > > try to use Internet Explorer it will disconnect my computer from the > > ISP > and > > I have to dial back up to get on line again. The last time I > > completely > done > > a Complete System Recovery, reformatted my hard drive and it has > > worked until now and it is starting it all over. I have Norton > > Internet Security > > (Professional) and I ran it and there are no virus's indicated. I > > have dumped every program on the PC except the absolute ones I have > > to have. I > > don't even want to think that I have to do another system recovery > > and > start > > all over again. > > > > Any ides from you computer guru's? I am on dial up, not DSL. I am > wondering > > if DSL would help solve some of these issues. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Paul > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pmaples at anaxis.net Wed Jul 7 10:05:11 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:05:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems References: <20040707.113431.284.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <006901c46444$a99cb630$cbf70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Joe for the input, Bill Dickerson has also suggested this as a possibility. I have a Sony Vaio Laptop, can I still easily use another modem or would I have to send this laptop off to get the modem changed out. I am not sure if I can connect an external modem, don't know much about this subject. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems > Paul - > Have you given any thought to your modem ? > > As cheap as they are - It ain't a bad idea to have an extra. > > I had a modem that wouldn't hang up after I signed off and my phone line > stayed busy. > > Once a phone call came in at the same time as my computer was dialing out > and > blew the modem. > > It may be your modem that's disconnecting. > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - > \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jul 7 10:18:19 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:18:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines/ditch pulling for fun References: <21.4083328f.2e1d7953@aol.com> Message-ID: <40EC305B.2030109@imc-group.com> Hey Ron, Why'd ya pull it a 1/4 block down the ditch instead of just pulling it right out of the ditch? Is this something Virginian's do for Sunday fun? :-) Curt Holland Gastonia, NC MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: >Ask me how I know all this? I once pulled a Hudson Hornet a 1/4 block down a >muddy ditch using a chainfall and a long cable. It took most of a Sunday to >accomplish, but, I got the car out of the ditch without having to call for >help. > >Regards, >Ron Carroll >Noville, Virginia > > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed Jul 7 10:25:11 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:25:11 EDT Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines/ditch pulling for fun Message-ID: <128.45b26fb7.2e1d8bf7@aol.com> In a message dated 7/7/2004 1:18:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: > > Hey Ron, > Why'd ya pull it a 1/4 block down the ditch instead of just pulling it > right out of the ditch? Is this something Virginian's do for Sunday fun? > :-) > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC Hi Curt, This was in Missouri, the street was mud, and the reason for pulling it so far was that the only anchor point I could find was a tree a ways down the block and across the street. The whole endeavor was, I must say, good exercise. Ron Carroll Nokesville, Virginia From falcon at telenet.net Wed Jul 7 10:28:29 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:28:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice References: <00be01c46443$116da000$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <006901c46447$d27d5020$1e5c14d0@net.telenet.net> Or even better go to http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/cd/order.asp and get a FREE CD with all the updates up to February on it. Did I mention it was FREE. It covers XP, ME, 2000, 98 and 98 SE. Includes media player 9 and IE 6 SP1 Oh and it's FREE in case I forgot that.... Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:54 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > Updates on CD............... > There are apps that will pick what you want then run a script to apply them. > And for my personal stuff - you go choose what you want and let it run while > you go mow the yard. > > As for second question - ask John F. Kerry - I hear he's a great shooter! > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:00 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > Hells bells Bill, > > >snip > And I'm a lot cheaper than a couple hundred bucks - I can clean them up in a > > couple of hours, $35/hour. > > I mentioned that I would charge a couple hundred to clean and update. Tell > us all how to do a 25 Meg upgrade on dialup in this time frame, and then > tell us the best time to hunt bacon with a shotgun. > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Dickerson" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:56 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > It CAN shut down a computer - but only certain operating systems, not > > all. And, it has nothing to do with dial-up connections. It's a root > > service that it affects and the end result is a complete > Windows > > shutdown. > > (which you can PREVENT, by the way, with a simple command) However, > > that is NOT the intent of BLASTER - that is a SIDE EFFECT only, > not > > by design. > > So I still maintain, the virus does not attempt to disconnect from the > > Internet. And my statement still stands - NAV will catch the virus - > > you mention > "out > > of date" - that is the fault of the operator, not the product, so the > > product will indeed catch it, however, it's like a gun - a gun will > > only > hit > > what the operator aims at, operator error equals missed target. > > Failure to load gun, missed target. BLASTER is quite old, so unless > > they have not updated this year at all, > NAV > > will find the "original" BLASTER. Do watch for VARIANTS, however. > > > > Yes, I'm aware of what "blaster" does, and doesn't do - I've written > > articles on computer viruses, including FAQs used by > Symantec............... > > I've even disassembled them - and ( just turned down a chance to be an > > engineer at Symantec, working on their corporate products. Their > > engineers called me and wanted to fly me out to Santa Monica but we > > refuse to live > in > > CA) > > And I'm a lot cheaper than a couple hundred bucks - I can clean them > > up in > a > > couple of hours, $35/hour. I've cleaned up entire corporate > > networks.............. > > > > I still stick with my original contention that about 90% of computer > > woes blamed on "viruses" are NOT viruses. Yes, viruses DO infect > > computers and cause problems, but in my experience (over 14 years > > worth of computer > virus > > fighting) MOST issues are not virus related at all - and everyone > > seems to like to cry "VIRUS!" at the first sign of computer problems - > > the result > is > > that they learn NOTHING about the REAL cause, and simply go in and > > blast things away and do a resintall! > > > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff > > Allen > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:07 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > > > Bill, > > > > The Blaster Worm will shut down a computer. Not a true virus, but a > > worm. > An > > anti virus that is out of date won't catch it, and that is Paul's > > problem. The Microsoft patch, and the virus definition have been out > > for almost a year now. I just cleaned a system a couple weeks ago with > > the worm. I > spent > > about four hours cleaning and updating the computer, and that was on > > DSL. There were over 25 Meg of Microsoft updates, and about the same > > for the > anti > > virus. There really is no excuse for this. So to you and all on the > > list: > > > > Install all Microsoft critical updates weekly, and update your anti > > virus > at > > least once a week. Run a virus scan weekly, and most can be automated, > > so there is no excuse. Install a firewall, or at least use the one > > that came with XP. It's better than nothing. Also use Lavasoft Adaware > > for spyware. It's free. > > > > There is also another option. Pay someone like me or my buddy a couple > > hundred bucks to clean up your mess. The system I did was for my > > cousin > and > > she was informed the next one won't be free. For more info on the worm > check > > out: > > http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.mspx > > > > Regards, > > > > Jeff Allen > > Arvada, Colorado USA > > > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > > http://frapa.us/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Dickerson" > > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:32 PM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > > > > Paul, without a little time I can't tell you what it IS, but can > > > tell you it's pretty much NOT a virus. It's amazing how many > > > computer woes get blamed on viruses now days. It's usually easier > > > than finding the real cause. Most computer ills are due to file > > > corruption, file conflicts, ill-behaved software, spyware or > > > hardware malfunctions. A real computer virus doesn't typically > > > "disconnect". If NAV says you don't have a virus, you don't have > > > one. They aren't > magic > > > and don't escape detection that easily. > > > > > > Bill > > > (former anti-virus administrator for a very large financial company, > > > and former Symantec support volunteer who just turned down a > > > Symantec position in California) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul > > > Maples > > > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:58 PM > > > To: Stationary Engine List > > > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > > > > > > Folks I am having a problem again that I had about a month ago and > > > it is really frustrating. I connect to my ISP and check my e-mail > > > but the minute > > I > > > try to use Internet Explorer it will disconnect my computer from the > > > ISP > > and > > > I have to dial back up to get on line again. The last time I > > > completely > > done > > > a Complete System Recovery, reformatted my hard drive and it has > > > worked until now and it is starting it all over. I have Norton > > > Internet Security > > > (Professional) and I ran it and there are no virus's indicated. I > > > have dumped every program on the PC except the absolute ones I have > > > to have. > I > > > don't even want to think that I have to do another system recovery > > > and > > start > > > all over again. > > > > > > Any ides from you computer guru's? I am on dial up, not DSL. I am > > wondering > > > if DSL would help solve some of these issues. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Wed Jul 7 10:31:52 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:31:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice Message-ID: <006f01c46448$4b08b020$1e5c14d0@net.telenet.net> Forgot to mention it also includes a one year free version of Etrusts EZ armor which is a firewall and AV program put out by Computer Associates. Did I mention it was FREE !!!!!! Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > Or even better go to > > http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/cd/order.asp > > and get a FREE CD with all the updates up to February on it. Did I > mention it was FREE. > It covers XP, ME, 2000, 98 and 98 SE. Includes media player 9 and IE 6 > SP1 > > Oh and it's FREE in case I forgot that.... > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown NY > From falcon at telenet.net Wed Jul 7 10:33:32 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:33:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems References: <20040707.113431.284.3.jlb94@juno.com> <006901c46444$a99cb630$cbf70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <007701c46448$88735820$1e5c14d0@net.telenet.net> External modems use either the older serial ports OR the newer ones use the USB ports. Plus for a laptop that has card slots there are card modems that also can be connected to a network. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems > Thanks Joe for the input, Bill Dickerson has also suggested this as a > possibility. I have a Sony Vaio Laptop, can I still easily use another modem > or would I have to send this laptop off to get the modem changed out. I am > not sure if I can connect an external modem, don't know much about this > subject. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:11 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems > > > > Paul - > > Have you given any thought to your modem ? > > > > As cheap as they are - It ain't a bad idea to have an extra. > > > > I had a modem that wouldn't hang up after I signed off and my phone line > > stayed busy. > > > > Once a phone call came in at the same time as my computer was dialing out > > and > > blew the modem. > > > > It may be your modem that's disconnecting. > > > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > jlb94 at juno.com > > ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - > > \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " > > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 7 12:40:42 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:40:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems In-Reply-To: <007701c46448$88735820$1e5c14d0@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <000b01c4645a$4dfd80f0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Hey Steve - are those updates on CD free by any chance?????? Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W. Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:34 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems External modems use either the older serial ports OR the newer ones use the USB ports. Plus for a laptop that has card slots there are card modems that also can be connected to a network. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems > Thanks Joe for the input, Bill Dickerson has also suggested this as a > possibility. I have a Sony Vaio Laptop, can I still easily use another modem > or would I have to send this laptop off to get the modem changed out. I am > not sure if I can connect an external modem, don't know much about this > subject. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:11 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems > > > > Paul - > > Have you given any thought to your modem ? > > > > As cheap as they are - It ain't a bad idea to have an extra. > > > > I had a modem that wouldn't hang up after I signed off and my phone line > > stayed busy. > > > > Once a phone call came in at the same time as my computer was dialing out > > and > > blew the modem. > > > > It may be your modem that's disconnecting. > > > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > jlb94 at juno.com > > ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - > > \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " > > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 7 12:40:42 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:40:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice In-Reply-To: <006901c46447$d27d5020$1e5c14d0@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <000c01c4645a$4f4b36a0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Hmmm, I thought I said "updates on CD", guess I must have said "updates on TV" instead. :-) And - it's FREE (aw, com'on, something FREE from Bill the Gates? You're joshing, right? Nope, it's true, and part of their great plot for world domination. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W. Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:28 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice Or even better go to http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/cd/order.asp and get a FREE CD with all the updates up to February on it. Did I mention it was FREE. It covers XP, ME, 2000, 98 and 98 SE. Includes media player 9 and IE 6 SP1 Oh and it's FREE in case I forgot that.... Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:54 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > Updates on CD............... > There are apps that will pick what you want then run a script to apply them. > And for my personal stuff - you go choose what you want and let it run while > you go mow the yard. > > As for second question - ask John F. Kerry - I hear he's a great shooter! > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:00 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > Hells bells Bill, > > >snip > And I'm a lot cheaper than a couple hundred bucks - I can clean them up in a > > couple of hours, $35/hour. > > I mentioned that I would charge a couple hundred to clean and update. Tell > us all how to do a 25 Meg upgrade on dialup in this time frame, and then > tell us the best time to hunt bacon with a shotgun. > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Dickerson" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:56 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > It CAN shut down a computer - but only certain operating systems, not > > all. And, it has nothing to do with dial-up connections. It's a root > > service that it affects and the end result is a complete > Windows > > shutdown. > > (which you can PREVENT, by the way, with a simple command) However, > > that is NOT the intent of BLASTER - that is a SIDE EFFECT only, > not > > by design. > > So I still maintain, the virus does not attempt to disconnect from the > > Internet. And my statement still stands - NAV will catch the virus - > > you mention > "out > > of date" - that is the fault of the operator, not the product, so the > > product will indeed catch it, however, it's like a gun - a gun will > > only > hit > > what the operator aims at, operator error equals missed target. > > Failure to load gun, missed target. BLASTER is quite old, so unless > > they have not updated this year at all, > NAV > > will find the "original" BLASTER. Do watch for VARIANTS, however. > > > > Yes, I'm aware of what "blaster" does, and doesn't do - I've written > > articles on computer viruses, including FAQs used by > Symantec............... > > I've even disassembled them - and ( just turned down a chance to be an > > engineer at Symantec, working on their corporate products. Their > > engineers called me and wanted to fly me out to Santa Monica but we > > refuse to live > in > > CA) > > And I'm a lot cheaper than a couple hundred bucks - I can clean them > > up in > a > > couple of hours, $35/hour. I've cleaned up entire corporate > > networks.............. > > > > I still stick with my original contention that about 90% of computer > > woes blamed on "viruses" are NOT viruses. Yes, viruses DO infect > > computers and cause problems, but in my experience (over 14 years > > worth of computer > virus > > fighting) MOST issues are not virus related at all - and everyone > > seems to like to cry "VIRUS!" at the first sign of computer problems - > > the result > is > > that they learn NOTHING about the REAL cause, and simply go in and > > blast things away and do a resintall! > > > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff > > Allen > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:07 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > > > Bill, > > > > The Blaster Worm will shut down a computer. Not a true virus, but a > > worm. > An > > anti virus that is out of date won't catch it, and that is Paul's > > problem. The Microsoft patch, and the virus definition have been out > > for almost a year now. I just cleaned a system a couple weeks ago with > > the worm. I > spent > > about four hours cleaning and updating the computer, and that was on > > DSL. There were over 25 Meg of Microsoft updates, and about the same > > for the > anti > > virus. There really is no excuse for this. So to you and all on the > > list: > > > > Install all Microsoft critical updates weekly, and update your anti > > virus > at > > least once a week. Run a virus scan weekly, and most can be automated, > > so there is no excuse. Install a firewall, or at least use the one > > that came with XP. It's better than nothing. Also use Lavasoft Adaware > > for spyware. It's free. > > > > There is also another option. Pay someone like me or my buddy a couple > > hundred bucks to clean up your mess. The system I did was for my > > cousin > and > > she was informed the next one won't be free. For more info on the worm > check > > out: > > http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.mspx > > > > Regards, > > > > Jeff Allen > > Arvada, Colorado USA > > > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > > http://frapa.us/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Dickerson" > > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:32 PM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > > > > Paul, without a little time I can't tell you what it IS, but can > > > tell you it's pretty much NOT a virus. It's amazing how many > > > computer woes get blamed on viruses now days. It's usually easier > > > than finding the real cause. Most computer ills are due to file > > > corruption, file conflicts, ill-behaved software, spyware or > > > hardware malfunctions. A real computer virus doesn't typically > > > "disconnect". If NAV says you don't have a virus, you don't have > > > one. They aren't > magic > > > and don't escape detection that easily. > > > > > > Bill > > > (former anti-virus administrator for a very large financial company, > > > and former Symantec support volunteer who just turned down a > > > Symantec position in California) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul > > > Maples > > > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:58 PM > > > To: Stationary Engine List > > > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > > > > > > Folks I am having a problem again that I had about a month ago and > > > it is really frustrating. I connect to my ISP and check my e-mail > > > but the minute > > I > > > try to use Internet Explorer it will disconnect my computer from the > > > ISP > > and > > > I have to dial back up to get on line again. The last time I > > > completely > > done > > > a Complete System Recovery, reformatted my hard drive and it has > > > worked until now and it is starting it all over. I have Norton > > > Internet Security > > > (Professional) and I ran it and there are no virus's indicated. I > > > have dumped every program on the PC except the absolute ones I have > > > to have. > I > > > don't even want to think that I have to do another system recovery > > > and > > start > > > all over again. > > > > > > Any ides from you computer guru's? I am on dial up, not DSL. I am > > wondering > > > if DSL would help solve some of these issues. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Jul 7 13:49:26 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:49:26 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Industrion 2004 Festival. Message-ID: <000701c46463$e47c0750$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi All, Put some images on the site of last weekend's engine festival held at Kerkrade. We had good weather and lots of engine fun in the Industrion Museum garden. Pictures can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/industrion2004.htm Enjoy it, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Jul 7 14:06:16 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:06:16 EDT Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines Message-ID: <19e.26640c5e.2e1dbfc8@aol.com> In a message dated 7/7/2004 9:52:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: << Ok, I'll bite..what are "chain falls? >> Rick, Picture of chain falls GEM, June issue, page 62, top right of page. 2 ton for sale for $100. Probably long gone. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jul 7 04:43:34 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 21:43:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: [SEL Little Wonder engines In-Reply-To: <0df101c46383$75c532e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <200407072110.i67LAf4D013192@heavyiron.atis.net> Hi Alec, By Little Wonder are you referring to the engines made by Chicago Flexible Shaft? These were sold as Stewart Little Wonder and Cooper, Stover and probably others but were made by Chicago Flexible Shaft. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cammay04/04051625.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Did Little Wonder make there own engines or were they kits like Little Stewart etc??? A fiend is being offered a 3/4 hp tank cooled engine for 3 K and I told him I thought it was too much. Any help will be appreciated, Tks Again Alec J. Stevens From rholtzer at earthlink.net Wed Jul 7 14:31:20 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:31:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems In-Reply-To: <008e01c4641f$06f21a30$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> References: <148.2db6b19c.2e1d390c@aol.com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040707142952.00bac528@mail.earthlink.net> Quite a while back I had "modem trouble". Turned out to be the extension phone in the bedroom. Modem worked fine after the phone was disconnected! Of course, I had to have the phone company out to tell me their line was OK! Bob Holtzer At 07:36 AM 7/7/2004 -0500, you wrote: >CAT 5 is "category 5" cable, it's the level of quality, put simply. >There are a certain number of twists in certain pairs of wires within the >cable, in short. >Could get the full specs, but that's not needed here. >Phone cable is low-quality cable, made for voice only, static doesn't >matter. >Categories 3 on up improve the cable quality, thus reducing noise and >interference and allowing higher frequencies to traverse the cable with less >interference. >There's a bit more to it, but again, not needed here. >I mis-spelled, I suspect. D mark is the point outside your house (usually >outside) where the phone cable owned cable from the outside joins the house >cable that you own and are responsible for - it's the point where their >wires and your wires connect, typically on the side of the house, usually >outside. >If you run a clean, good cable from that point to the computer, you really >reduce the possibility of problems. There are so many splices and break >points in the phone wiring in a house, and they use the cheapest cable >possible, again, they wire and guarantee it for voice only. They really >don't have to make it any better than that. >I do a "home run" (one cable, no breaks, no splices, straightest route) from >the point of the phone company cable to my computer. I had to to remove >interference and static. A modem WILL hang up or disconnect if there is poor >signal quality - i.e.. Static, cross-talk, etc. This also allows the highest >possible speeds - modems "negotiate" speeds - they start high, then keep >dropping speed until they get to a point that communications are good. A bad >cable can mean a 56K modem will connect at only 28.8 or LESS. A good cable >can improve that, ASSUMING all else in the line is good........ >The phone lines in West Des Moines where Barbara's store is are so bad that >a computer/fax which SHOULD send and receive at 14.4 can only connect at >7200 - THAT is SLOW for a FAX. >DSL is even slow there! > >Bill > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >Germoamer at aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 6:31 AM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems > > >In a message dated 7/6/2004 11:07:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >bill at antique-engines.com writes: > ><< I went to a brand new internal > modem and ran CAT5 cable from the demark to the back of the computer. >> > >Bill, > >You computer gru's keep on talking so an illiterate like me can learn. What > >is a CAT5 cable and denmark? Is this something that can help connection >speeds to a phone line? > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. USA >Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rholtzer at earthlink.net Wed Jul 7 14:41:09 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:41:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems In-Reply-To: <20040707.113431.284.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040707143940.00b97fa8@mail.earthlink.net> And if you do, consider an external modem. It is really handy to see the lights and directly see what is happening. Also allows turning it off when not in use -- which may be helpful at times. Bob Holtzer At 11:11 AM 7/7/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Paul - >Have you given any thought to your modem ? > >As cheap as they are - It ain't a bad idea to have an extra. > >I had a modem that wouldn't hang up after I signed off and my phone line >stayed busy. > >Once a phone call came in at the same time as my computer was dialing out >and >blew the modem. > >It may be your modem that's disconnecting. > > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - > \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rholtzer at earthlink.net Wed Jul 7 14:51:54 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:51:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice In-Reply-To: <006901c46447$d27d5020$1e5c14d0@net.telenet.net> References: <00be01c46443$116da000$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040707145113.00bccf00@mail.earthlink.net> You did say free! And even better -- SO DID MICROSOFT!! Thanks for the info. Bob Holtzer At 01:28 PM 7/7/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Or even better go to > >http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/cd/order.asp > >and get a FREE CD with all the updates up to February on it. Did I >mention it was FREE. >It covers XP, ME, 2000, 98 and 98 SE. Includes media player 9 and IE 6 >SP1 > >Oh and it's FREE in case I forgot that.... > >Steve Williams >Near Cooperstown NY > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Dickerson" >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:54 PM >Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > Updates on CD............... > > There are apps that will pick what you want then run a script to apply >them. > > And for my personal stuff - you go choose what you want and let it run >while > > you go mow the yard. > > > > As for second question - ask John F. Kerry - I hear he's a great >shooter! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff >Allen > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:00 AM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > > > Hells bells Bill, > > > > >snip > > And I'm a lot cheaper than a couple hundred bucks - I can clean them >up in a > > > couple of hours, $35/hour. > > > > I mentioned that I would charge a couple hundred to clean and update. >Tell > > us all how to do a 25 Meg upgrade on dialup in this time frame, and >then > > tell us the best time to hunt bacon with a shotgun. > > > > Jeff > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Dickerson" > > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:56 PM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > > > > It CAN shut down a computer - but only certain operating systems, >not > > > all. And, it has nothing to do with dial-up connections. It's a root > > > service that it affects and the end result is a complete > > Windows > > > shutdown. > > > (which you can PREVENT, by the way, with a simple command) However, > > > that is NOT the intent of BLASTER - that is a SIDE EFFECT only, > > not > > > by design. > > > So I still maintain, the virus does not attempt to disconnect from >the > > > Internet. And my statement still stands - NAV will catch the virus - > > > you mention > > "out > > > of date" - that is the fault of the operator, not the product, so >the > > > product will indeed catch it, however, it's like a gun - a gun will > > > only > > hit > > > what the operator aims at, operator error equals missed target. > > > Failure to load gun, missed target. BLASTER is quite old, so unless > > > they have not updated this year at all, > > NAV > > > will find the "original" BLASTER. Do watch for VARIANTS, however. > > > > > > Yes, I'm aware of what "blaster" does, and doesn't do - I've written > > > articles on computer viruses, including FAQs used by > > Symantec............... > > > I've even disassembled them - and ( just turned down a chance to be >an > > > engineer at Symantec, working on their corporate products. Their > > > engineers called me and wanted to fly me out to Santa Monica but we > > > refuse to live > > in > > > CA) > > > And I'm a lot cheaper than a couple hundred bucks - I can clean them > > > up in > > a > > > couple of hours, $35/hour. I've cleaned up entire corporate > > > networks.............. > > > > > > I still stick with my original contention that about 90% of computer > > > woes blamed on "viruses" are NOT viruses. Yes, viruses DO infect > > > computers and cause problems, but in my experience (over 14 years > > > worth of computer > > virus > > > fighting) MOST issues are not virus related at all - and everyone > > > seems to like to cry "VIRUS!" at the first sign of computer >problems - > > > the result > > is > > > that they learn NOTHING about the REAL cause, and simply go in and > > > blast things away and do a resintall! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff > > > Allen > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:07 PM > > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > The Blaster Worm will shut down a computer. Not a true virus, but a > > > worm. > > An > > > anti virus that is out of date won't catch it, and that is Paul's > > > problem. The Microsoft patch, and the virus definition have been out > > > for almost a year now. I just cleaned a system a couple weeks ago >with > > > the worm. I > > spent > > > about four hours cleaning and updating the computer, and that was on > > > DSL. There were over 25 Meg of Microsoft updates, and about the same > > > for the > > anti > > > virus. There really is no excuse for this. So to you and all on the > > > list: > > > > > > Install all Microsoft critical updates weekly, and update your anti > > > virus > > at > > > least once a week. Run a virus scan weekly, and most can be >automated, > > > so there is no excuse. Install a firewall, or at least use the one > > > that came with XP. It's better than nothing. Also use Lavasoft >Adaware > > > for spyware. It's free. > > > > > > There is also another option. Pay someone like me or my buddy a >couple > > > hundred bucks to clean up your mess. The system I did was for my > > > cousin > > and > > > she was informed the next one won't be free. For more info on the >worm > > check > > > out: > > > http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.mspx > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Jeff Allen > > > Arvada, Colorado USA > > > > > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > > > http://frapa.us/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bill Dickerson" > > > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:32 PM > > > Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > > > > > > > Paul, without a little time I can't tell you what it IS, but can > > > > tell you it's pretty much NOT a virus. It's amazing how many > > > > computer woes get blamed on viruses now days. It's usually easier > > > > than finding the real cause. Most computer ills are due to file > > > > corruption, file conflicts, ill-behaved software, spyware or > > > > hardware malfunctions. A real computer virus doesn't typically > > > > "disconnect". If NAV says you don't have a virus, you don't have > > > > one. They aren't > > magic > > > > and don't escape detection that easily. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > (former anti-virus administrator for a very large financial >company, > > > > and former Symantec support volunteer who just turned down a > > > > Symantec position in California) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul > > > > Maples > > > > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:58 PM > > > > To: Stationary Engine List > > > > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks I am having a problem again that I had about a month ago and > > > > it is really frustrating. I connect to my ISP and check my e-mail > > > > but the minute > > > I > > > > try to use Internet Explorer it will disconnect my computer from >the > > > > ISP > > > and > > > > I have to dial back up to get on line again. The last time I > > > > completely > > > done > > > > a Complete System Recovery, reformatted my hard drive and it has > > > > worked until now and it is starting it all over. I have Norton > > > > Internet Security > > > > (Professional) and I ran it and there are no virus's indicated. I > > > > have dumped every program on the PC except the absolute ones I >have > > > > to have. > > I > > > > don't even want to think that I have to do another system recovery > > > > and > > > start > > > > all over again. > > > > > > > > Any ides from you computer guru's? I am on dial up, not DSL. I am > > > wondering > > > > if DSL would help solve some of these issues. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SEL mailing list > > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SEL mailing list > > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Jul 7 17:40:16 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:40:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Industrion 2004 Festival. In-Reply-To: <000701c46463$e47c0750$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <200407080040.i680eKuY030588@heavyiron.atis.net> > Put some images on the site of last weekend's engine festival > held at Kerkrade. We had good weather and lots of engine fun > in the Industrion Museum garden. > Pictures can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/industrion2004 .htm As usual John, your pictures are stunning. Thanks for sharing them. Rob From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jul 7 19:30:26 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:30:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Delivery failure (glenn.karch@gte.net) References: <002e01c46351$feb82bc0$71121bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <047a01c46493$874bfa10$0400a8c0@Dave> No Reg, it is not the fault of your computer. Spencer (ATIS) has invented a system that only lets the clean and pure contact Glenn Karch. I can forward your posts to Glenn if you wish! Dave > I never have worked out what this is all about but, It happens a lot. > Is it a fault with my computer or what? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 9:59 PM > Subject: Delivery failure (glenn.karch at gte.net) > > > > Your message has encountered delivery problems > > to the following recipient(s): > > > > glenn.karch at gte.net > > Delivery failed > > 550 You are not allowed to send mail:sc013pub.verizon.net > > > > > > Sent: MAIL FROM: SIZE=2478 > > Received:550 You are not allowed to send mail:sc013pub.verizon.net > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Wed Jul 7 19:40:21 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 21:40:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems References: <20040707.113431.284.3.jlb94@juno.com><006901c46444$a99cb630$cbf70cd1@VAIO> <007701c46448$88735820$1e5c14d0@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <007a01c46494$ed261590$daf70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Steve, I am struggling to stay connected long enough to answer anyone's mail. IT has disconnected five times on me in the last 2 minutes, What a bummer. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems > External modems use either the older serial ports OR the newer ones use > the USB ports. Plus for a laptop that has card slots there are card > modems that also can be connected to a network. > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown NY > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 1:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems > > > > Thanks Joe for the input, Bill Dickerson has also suggested this as a > > possibility. I have a Sony Vaio Laptop, can I still easily use another > modem > > or would I have to send this laptop off to get the modem changed out. > I am > > not sure if I can connect an external modem, don't know much about > this > > subject. > > > > Paul > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:11 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems > > > > > > > Paul - > > > Have you given any thought to your modem ? > > > > > > As cheap as they are - It ain't a bad idea to have an extra. > > > > > > I had a modem that wouldn't hang up after I signed off and my phone > line > > > stayed busy. > > > > > > Once a phone call came in at the same time as my computer was > dialing out > > > and > > > blew the modem. > > > > > > It may be your modem that's disconnecting. > > > > > > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > > jlb94 at juno.com > > > ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - > > > \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " > > > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Wed Jul 7 19:49:35 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 21:49:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy cart References: <1ec.249e742d.2e1d69a0@aol.com> Message-ID: <009801c46496$37954d20$daf70cd1@VAIO> Tom you have to be one of the luckiest guys I know, you are always finding something. Congratulations on the find. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: [SEL] Economy cart > Made an offer on a nice yard ornament today! Owner does not live where it is > located and on oxygen so he does not get out much. He told me he would > consider my offer over the phone and to call back in a few days. Do not like to > leave it like that as too much thinking time, but had to go along with his > wishes. I would like to have been in his presence rather than over the phone. > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Wed Jul 7 20:44:00 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:44:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven Message-ID: <010301c4649d$d1b9bbf0$daf70cd1@VAIO> I am just about finished with wiring up my son's new home and I am in the kitchen now. I have run two dedicated 20 AMP GFIC circuits for the countertops and wall receptacles in the kitchen, I ran a dedicated 20 amp service for the dishwasher. I am wondering about the microwave oven, should I run a separate circuit for this or can I come off of a lighting circuit. I am not sure how much they pull but I am guessing around 12 to 15 amps which tells me it might need its own circuit. Let me hear from you electricians on this. Thanks. From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Jul 7 20:57:12 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 23:57:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven In-Reply-To: <010301c4649d$d1b9bbf0$daf70cd1@VAIO> References: <010301c4649d$d1b9bbf0$daf70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: The microwave I carried up to Kentucky and to Portland last year makes Dolly bark pretty smartly when it kicks on. Just wandered down to the basement and peered at the label on the back, upside down. Looks like 13 amps. John On Jul 7, 2004, at 11:44 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > I am just about finished with wiring up my son's new home and I am in > the > kitchen now. I have run two dedicated 20 AMP GFIC circuits for the > countertops and wall receptacles in the kitchen, I ran a dedicated 20 > amp > service for the dishwasher. I am wondering about the microwave oven, > should > I run a separate circuit for this or can I come off of a lighting > circuit. I > am not sure how much they pull but I am guessing around 12 to 15 amps > which > tells me it might need its own circuit. Let me hear from you > electricians on > this. Thanks. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From pmaples at anaxis.net Wed Jul 7 21:03:52 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 23:03:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven References: <010301c4649d$d1b9bbf0$daf70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <012501c464a0$98ae4800$daf70cd1@VAIO> Thanks John, I appreciate you taking the time to go and look. I think I better put this critter on it on leash. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven > The microwave I carried up to Kentucky and to Portland last year makes > Dolly bark pretty smartly when it kicks on. > > Just wandered down to the basement and peered at the label on the back, > upside down. Looks like 13 amps. > > John > > On Jul 7, 2004, at 11:44 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > > > I am just about finished with wiring up my son's new home and I am in > > the > From garyepps at fidnet.com Wed Jul 7 21:21:45 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 23:21:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven References: <010301c4649d$d1b9bbf0$daf70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <00ba01c464a3$31734020$4c83fb40@3rbys01> Paul, I'm not a licensed electrician, but you should install a dedicated 20 Amp circuit (12/2 wire) for a microwave. While some small microwaves can operate on a 15 Amp circuit, you need to plan for the possibility that a larger microwave might be used in the future. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:44 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven > I am just about finished with wiring up my son's new home and I am in the > kitchen now. I have run two dedicated 20 AMP GFIC circuits for the > countertops and wall receptacles in the kitchen, I ran a dedicated 20 amp > service for the dishwasher. I am wondering about the microwave oven, should > I run a separate circuit for this or can I come off of a lighting circuit. I > am not sure how much they pull but I am guessing around 12 to 15 amps which > tells me it might need its own circuit. Let me hear from you electricians on > this. Thanks. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From EnginePaul at aol.com Wed Jul 7 21:44:22 2004 From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 00:44:22 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven Message-ID: <3e.4130aeae.2e1e2b26@aol.com> I can't see why a dedicated circuit would be necessary unless called for in your local codes. I've done the wall mount over the stove, with vent and all in many kitchens and never used a dedicated line. Even the two 20 amp lines are capable of handling lots of stuff. Add up everything on your counter, bet that even if you ran all of them, you'd have power to spare. If not, then do another line. Paul in San Francisco (inactive Licensed Contractor, but did not go to the books for the answer) PS: I own apartments, some of which are older and a tripped breaker is rare, and usually caused by a huge overload or a faulty appliance. From alanb2 at webtv.net Thu Jul 8 02:42:28 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:42:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven In-Reply-To: EnginePaul@aol.com's message of Thu, 8 Jul 2004 00:44:22 EDT Message-ID: <16320-40ED1704-4197@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net> Hi Paul, In the six years I spent working with a licensed master electrician we installed a dedicated 20A circuit for every nuke box. That said,,,,, When I built and wired my house I never planned for a microwave. Ours seems happy to share it's 20A circuit with the fridge, a counter outlet that gets used every day and the outlet behind the stove that runs the fan and light. It as never tripped in the 27 years since I built the house. So,,, Do what you want. If I had the wire, and a spot in the panel, I would run the dedicated circuit. If not then I wouldn't worry about it. Have fun Sparky Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jul 8 03:35:20 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 20:35:20 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Delivery failure (glenn.karch@gte.net) References: <002e01c46351$feb82bc0$71121bd3@athlon> <047a01c46493$874bfa10$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <00f301c464d7$4be28860$a0111bd3@athlon> You! Clean and pure?? Ha!! Now Ive heard it all!!!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Delivery failure (glenn.karch at gte.net) > No Reg, it is not the fault of your computer. Spencer (ATIS) has invented a > system that only lets the clean and pure contact Glenn Karch. I can forward > your posts to Glenn if you wish! > Dave From sutter at iprimus.com.au Thu Jul 8 04:00:14 2004 From: sutter at iprimus.com.au (Sutter) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 21:00:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: This is a test - is anyone out there! Thanks Rod Sutter Melbourne Australia sutter at iprimus.com.au From wilson at stny.rr.com Thu Jul 8 04:21:20 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 07:21:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: yep -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Sutter Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 7:00 AM To: Engine List Subject: [SEL] test This is a test - is anyone out there! Thanks Rod Sutter Melbourne Australia sutter at iprimus.com.au _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Jul 8 05:05:20 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 08:05:20 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven Message-ID: <193.2b80d20d.2e1e9280@aol.com> Paul, I am not a licensed electrician, but I think the building codes require a separate circuit for the microwave, refrigerator, dish washer. Also, there must be an outlet for each separate section of counter top, minimum of 2 separate circuits, and some maximum distance between the outlets. I can make some phone calls this evening to a licensed friend if you need to know more. A phone call to your local building inspector should also answer the question. I once took the electrical code course at the community college, but that was 25 years ago and a lot has changed. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 8 05:28:19 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:28:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines References: <0df101c46383$75c532e0$0301a8c0@ALEC> <0e7201c46430$f5096d20$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: Ok thanks Alec...we have numerous names for them also...chain hoist being the most common. Jus never heard chain fall before. later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alec Stevens" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Chain Falls & Little Wonder engines > Rick, > Chain falls are what i have always called them, > Hoist, winches, etc. are similar but I have only growd up calling them > that. hang em in a tree or off something that can support the weight of > whatever you are lifting and pull on one end of the chain , it lifts the > end > up, pull the other side of the chain and it lets it down, > Some are a 1 piece continous chain, others are 2 seperate chains. I have > never heard of a 3 piece chain in one of these.. The oldest one I have had > or seen was last pat.d. in 1867, it was really old and very cool. Some > were > screw differential types, others rachet and so on. inside the casing the > chain runs "doubled up" like using a come -along and having enough cable > to > double back gives you 2x+ the lifting /pulling capacity. > I am sure there are many others on the list who can explain it better > > Alec J. Stevens > Investment Specialist > 80 Leighton Road, Suite C > Falmouth, ME 04105 > (800)842-6669 > (207)797-5169 > (207)797-2819 > > > > Ok, I'll bite..what are "chain falls?" > > > > Thanks > > RickinMt. > > > > > > > > Does anyone have an old set or 2 of chain falls from 1900-1930 area??? > > I am looking for 2 different sets, > > stuck , broke , doesnt matter, let me know, Tks > > > > Did Little Wonder make there own engines or were they kits like Little > > Stewart etc??? A fiend is being offered a 3/4 hp tank cooled engine for > > 3 > K > > and I told him I thought it was too much. Any help will be appreciated, > > Tks Again > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 8 05:34:42 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 06:34:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy cart References: <1ec.249e742d.2e1d69a0@aol.com> Message-ID: Good Luck on 'er Tom!!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 8:58 AM Subject: [SEL] Economy cart > Made an offer on a nice yard ornament today! Owner does not live where it > is > located and on oxygen so he does not get out much. He told me he would > consider my offer over the phone and to call back in a few days. Do not > like to > leave it like that as too much thinking time, but had to go along with his > wishes. I would like to have been in his presence rather than over the > phone. > > 1923 5F Economy saw rig, sn 285392, complete, one bent wheel, head > cracked, > all grease cups missing, mag/bracket long gone, very rusted and stuck. > Even the > idler pulley is there. Hopper full of dirt, but someone long ago loosened > the > head bolts and pulled it away from the block 1/4 inch, and took out the > drain > bolt, so do not believe the block is cracked. I have known about this > engine > for many years and took a notion to follow up on it again the other day. > This is the first time the owner has considered selling it, but his health > has > deteriorated considerably since I last talked to him a few years ago. > Pictures > at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mvc-006f.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mvc-008f.jpg > > I have also made arrangements Monday to purchase another Economy drop > frame > cart that I recently found about at a small local show. It is in good > condition, complete, but no engine or idler pulley. Ken Christison was at > that show > with us when I found out about it. > > So maybe a good week will turn into a great week!! > > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Thu Jul 8 05:33:45 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 07:33:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven References: <010301c4649d$d1b9bbf0$daf70cd1@VAIO> <00ba01c464a3$31734020$4c83fb40@3rbys01> Message-ID: <008301c464e8$d3b8f240$e3f70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Gary, this has been the input I have been receiving so this is what I am going to do. I appreciate your response. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven > Paul, > > I'm not a licensed electrician, but you should install a dedicated 20 Amp > circuit (12/2 wire) for a microwave. While some small microwaves can > operate on a 15 Amp circuit, you need to plan for the possibility that a > larger microwave might be used in the future. > > Gary > ----- Original Message ----- From pmaples at anaxis.net Thu Jul 8 05:44:42 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 07:44:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O. T. Wiring up a Microwanve Message-ID: <008c01c464e9$70a49b90$e3f70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Jim, Gary, Alan, Paul, and Curt for all of the excellent feedback on this issue. If I missed naming someone because of my lack of memory space (in my head) forgive me and thank you. You guys are great and come through for me each time. Paul From Jdragoset at galvotec.com Thu Jul 8 06:02:14 2004 From: Jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 08:02:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven In-Reply-To: <010301c4649d$d1b9bbf0$daf70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: Paul, With the possibility of multiple circuits being used, all in a space like the kitchen should feed off the same bus-bar so that 240 volts cannot exist between any two circuits. Jim Dragoset -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:44 PM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven I am just about finished with wiring up my son's new home and I am in the kitchen now. I have run two dedicated 20 AMP GFIC circuits for the countertops and wall receptacles in the kitchen, I ran a dedicated 20 amp service for the dishwasher. I am wondering about the microwave oven, should I run a separate circuit for this or can I come off of a lighting circuit. I am not sure how much they pull but I am guessing around 12 to 15 amps which tells me it might need its own circuit. Let me hear from you electricians on this. Thanks. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 8 06:19:25 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 07:19:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & some Mt. iron References: <21.4083328f.2e1d7953@aol.com> Message-ID: I'll bet that was interesting..using a chain hoist,er falls..... horizontally. No Ron..you pulled it down the "Borrow Pit," not the ditch . A meadow is a park, a valley is a coulee or gulch. Had to learn English all over again when I moved to Montana. So Alec..why would you want a broken chain fall??? (initial post) Here's some pix's of Montana iron I took on the way to the Lewistown EDGE&TA show a couple weeks ago. Course Grandpa has to start out with a picture of his shy, bashful grandaughter...after that hit fwd or slideshow. Very cool 150 hp F-M, two lunger here gang....sweet stack music..would have liked to hear it work!!! The electric locomotive is in Harlowton, Mt. 3000 volts dc powered that baby. They were retired in 1974...some rectifier stations are still around. Why electric?? to hard to breathe in the numerous tunnels in the Rocky Mtn's, using steam. I learnt sometin there, never would have thot of that. http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/158662957jAGXFd ya'll take care RickinMt. > > Ask me how I know all this? I once pulled a Hudson Hornet a 1/4 block > down a > muddy ditch using a chainfall and a long cable. It took most of a Sunday > to > accomplish, but, I got the car out of the ditch without having to call for > help. From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Jul 7 20:06:29 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 23:06:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems Message-ID: <20040708.094446.1256.0.jlb94@juno.com> Well - - - I knew if I opened my mouth, you'd think I knew something. As for the Sony Vaio Laptop, I have no idea. Sorry, Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Thu Jul 8 07:03:11 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:03:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & some Mt. iron References: <21.4083328f.2e1d7953@aol.com> Message-ID: <105e01c464f4$4e30b7f0$0301a8c0@ALEC> So Alec..why would you want a broken chain fall??? (initial post) Rick, They are cheaper than working ones and its for decorative purposes, you know , "decor" sorta like having a nice looking cady in the yard , looks good but doesnt work!!!!!! Unless the casing is broke , they are not hard to fix . My dad found a 1ton one this week for 10 bucks, he liked it better than the one he has used at his house since 1969.Its a big mistake to change something that worked so well for so long, but I ended up buying his old one for 50 and that is fine by me. Still would like to find a couple more, they are getting very hard to find, a good working one, you know like a good maytag, hard to find. Tks Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Thu Jul 8 07:04:49 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:04:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: [SEL Little Wonder engines References: <200407072110.i67LAf4D013192@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <106801c464f4$887b5b40$0301a8c0@ALEC> Patrick, I am still waiting for pics, its a 3/4 hp and I believe horizontal, so I cant be sure, I am on vacation till the 18th so I hope to have more info by then. Tks for the picture. Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 7:43 AM Subject: [SEL] RE: [SEL Little Wonder engines > Hi Alec, > By Little Wonder are you referring to the engines made by Chicago > Flexible Shaft? These were sold as Stewart Little Wonder and Cooper, Stover > and probably others but were made by Chicago Flexible Shaft. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cammay04/04051625.JPG > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > -----Original Message----- > > > Did Little Wonder make there own engines or were they kits like Little > Stewart etc??? A fiend is being offered a 3/4 hp tank cooled engine for 3 K > and I told him I thought it was too much. Any help will be appreciated, > Tks Again > > Alec J. Stevens > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Jul 8 07:03:52 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:03:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <20040708.104423.1256.5.jlb94@juno.com> I'm Here - Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rholtzer at earthlink.net Thu Jul 8 08:15:34 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:15:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven In-Reply-To: <010301c4649d$d1b9bbf0$daf70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040708081106.00b95dc0@mail.earthlink.net> If you have room in the panel, I'd go for the circuit. Hard to have too many plugs in my view. Here in California there is no requirement for a dedicated microwave circuit to the best of my knowledge. Two countertop circuits (which can be 3 wire), dishwasher, disposal, and refrigerator are required. Of course there may be local jurisdiction requirements beyond national code. Bob Holtzer At 10:44 PM 7/7/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I am just about finished with wiring up my son's new home and I am in the >kitchen now. I have run two dedicated 20 AMP GFIC circuits for the >countertops and wall receptacles in the kitchen, I ran a dedicated 20 amp >service for the dishwasher. I am wondering about the microwave oven, should >I run a separate circuit for this or can I come off of a lighting circuit. I >am not sure how much they pull but I am guessing around 12 to 15 amps which >tells me it might need its own circuit. Let me hear from you electricians on >this. Thanks. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Jul 8 10:09:44 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 12:09:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven References: <010301c4649d$d1b9bbf0$daf70cd1@VAIO><00ba01c464a3$31734020$4c83fb40@3rbys01> <008301c464e8$d3b8f240$e3f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <002801c4650f$22dde9e0$4d83fb40@3rbys01> Paul you didn't ask this question, but you might want to install arc-fault interrupters in the box for sleeping room circuits. These are different from GFI circuits, they trip when a loose connection begins to arc. Think about it, most electrical fires start with an arc. I think the National Electrical Code mandated them in January of 2003 or 2004. In my neck of the woods, some of the licensed electricians look at you with a funny look when you mention them. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven > Thanks Gary, this has been the input I have been receiving so this is what I > am going to do. I appreciate your response. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Epps" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 11:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Wiring up a MicroWave Oven > > > > Paul, > > > > I'm not a licensed electrician, but you should install a dedicated 20 Amp > > circuit (12/2 wire) for a microwave. While some small microwaves can > > operate on a 15 Amp circuit, you need to plan for the possibility that a > > larger microwave might be used in the future. > > > > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Jul 8 11:03:49 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:03:49 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems Message-ID: In a message dated 7/7/2004 7:41:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, diesel at easynet.co.uk writes: << Done any more to the web-site? >> Peter, No, I have not done much. Ken made a folder for me to send pictures to share with folks like the Economy drop frame yesterday. Guess I need more lessons from you on how to get the photos to a particular spot there, and then how to label them/descriptions, etc. When you have the time and feel like it let me know and I will see if I can learn. Been pretty hot here with humidity so makes it not so nice to work hard outside. Installed new French doors in the basement taking out an old set of aluminum sliding doors, then put in all new door knobs on outside doors keying all alike. Painted the new door/frame today. Always something to do with a home! Hope all is well with you folks. Tom From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu Jul 8 13:59:05 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 21:59:05 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Industrion 2004 Festival. References: <000701c46463$e47c0750$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <40EDB599.E1213D3@insulate.co.uk> Great pictures, John - Thank you! Dolly John Hammink wrote: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/industrion2004.htm -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Jul 8 14:25:15 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 22:25:15 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:03:49 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 7/7/2004 7:41:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >diesel at easynet.co.uk writes: > ><< Done any more to the web-site? >> > >Peter, > >No, I have not done much. Ken made a folder for me to send pictures to share >with folks like the Economy drop frame yesterday. Guess I need more lessons >from you on how to get the photos to a particular spot there, and then how to >label them/descriptions, etc. When you have the time and feel like it let me >know and I will see if I can learn. Can do, did you get the ftp program working OK ? you'll need that to send stuff out to the site. I thought you had that ready and working a while back. >Been pretty hot here with humidity so makes it not so nice to work hard >outside. Installed new French doors in the basement taking out an old set of >aluminum sliding doors, then put in all new door knobs on outside doors keying all >alike. Painted the new door/frame today. Always something to do with a home! Weather has been awful the past 24 hours, heavy storms coming up from northern Spain. Same maintenance jobs here, but we have a factory as well, and we are very busy right now with a 3-1/2 month order book. >Hope all is well with you folks. We are all fine, best to you all there, >Tom Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Jul 8 19:13:58 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:13:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Industrion 2004 Festival. In-Reply-To: <000701c46463$e47c0750$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <200407090213.i692DrEK028115@heavyiron.atis.net> Great pictures John of some very interesting engines. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi All, Put some images on the site of last weekend's engine festival held at Kerkrade. We had good weather and lots of engine fun in the Industrion Museum garden. Pictures can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/industrion2004.htm Enjoy it, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 8 09:00:46 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:00:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Chain Falls & some Mt. iron References: <21.4083328f.2e1d7953@aol.com> <105e01c464f4$4e30b7f0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: I see Alec...yea, think I'd stay with the older ones also. Was not impressed with Harbor Freights'...1 ton (?). Good Luck Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alec Stevens" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Chain Falls & some Mt. iron So Alec..why would you want a broken chain fall??? (initial post) Rick, They are cheaper than working ones and its for decorative purposes, you know , "decor" sorta like having a nice looking cady in the yard , looks good but doesnt work!!!!!! Unless the casing is broke , they are not hard to fix . My dad found a 1ton one this week for 10 bucks, he liked it better than the one he has used at his house since 1969.Its a big mistake to change something that worked so well for so long, but I ended up buying his old one for 50 and that is fine by me. Still would like to find a couple more, they are getting very hard to find, a good working one, you know like a good maytag, hard to find. Tks Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jul 9 05:59:24 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 08:59:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? Message-ID: <40EE96AC.1010404@imc-group.com> Guys, Have a question for you. What exactly defines an engine as a oil field engine? -It's not the number of cycles.....I've seen a few (very few though) 4 cycle oil field engines. -It's not the HP.....I've seen oilfield engines in the 4HP range. -Some have side shafts and some don't...... -Some have hot tube and some are mag fired..... Is it the NG fuel use? (Did any OF engines use a fuel other than NG?) Is it simply that it was marketed for use only as an oil pumper? Looking forward to your thoughts.... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From glenn.karch at gte.net Fri Jul 9 07:48:07 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:48:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? References: <40EE96AC.1010404@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002f01c465c3$c1ffa040$3b29ea41@oemcomputer> Curt, I would define an oil field engine as one that was used in the oil fields for some purpose or another. I have 2 HP upright Famous that came from the oil fileld and it was rigged to run on NG and also rigged to use one of those big Wico magnetos. I also have a 6 HP Foos that was also rigged up the same way. There was an ordinary F-M hopper cooled Z rigged up the same way. I took them right out of the oil field junk yard along with many other oil field artifacts including a 25 HP superior, two 12" 35 HP Superior pistons, big Wico magnetos, misc parts, etc. We think of Bessmers, Reids, etc as being oil field engines, but I am sure they were also used in some non oil filed situations. Define a feed mill or a cotton gin engine Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "SEL(new)" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 7:59 AM Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? > Guys, > Have a question for you. What exactly defines an engine as a oil field > engine? > -It's not the number of cycles.....I've seen a few (very few though) 4 > cycle oil field engines. > -It's not the HP.....I've seen oilfield engines in the 4HP range. > -Some have side shafts and some don't...... > -Some have hot tube and some are mag fired..... > > Is it the NG fuel use? (Did any OF engines use a fuel other than NG?) > Is it simply that it was marketed for use only as an oil pumper? > > Looking forward to your thoughts.... > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Jdragoset at galvotec.com Fri Jul 9 08:41:42 2004 From: Jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:41:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? In-Reply-To: <40EE96AC.1010404@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Curt, I would think that the term implies the engine is intended to run 24/7 in a mostly untended condition. Jim Dragoset -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Curt Holland Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 7:59 AM To: SEL(new) Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? Guys, Have a question for you. What exactly defines an engine as a oil field engine? -It's not the number of cycles.....I've seen a few (very few though) 4 cycle oil field engines. -It's not the HP.....I've seen oilfield engines in the 4HP range. -Some have side shafts and some don't...... -Some have hot tube and some are mag fired..... Is it the NG fuel use? (Did any OF engines use a fuel other than NG?) Is it simply that it was marketed for use only as an oil pumper? Looking forward to your thoughts.... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Jul 9 09:01:18 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:01:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? References: <40EE96AC.1010404@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <06cf01c465cd$f88d7e20$0400a8c0@Dave> If an owner tells you that his engine is "an oilfield engine" then it is so. Who are you (or I) to challenge the owners culture and parentage? This is (particularly) true if the owner is a black man who is also a democrat! Dave PS, This is a GREAT thread for Dolly's GEM column! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "SEL(new)" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 8:59 AM Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? > Guys, > Have a question for you. What exactly defines an engine as a oil field > engine? > -It's not the number of cycles.....I've seen a few (very few though) 4 > cycle oil field engines. > -It's not the HP.....I've seen oilfield engines in the 4HP range. > -Some have side shafts and some don't...... > -Some have hot tube and some are mag fired..... > > Is it the NG fuel use? (Did any OF engines use a fuel other than NG?) > Is it simply that it was marketed for use only as an oil pumper? > > Looking forward to your thoughts.... > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jul 9 09:10:20 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 12:10:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? References: <40EE96AC.1010404@imc-group.com> <002f01c465c3$c1ffa040$3b29ea41@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <40EEC36C.6080308@imc-group.com> Glenn, Like the Famous and the Foos you mention, I have seen Witte's on pumpers. I don't think of a Witte as an oilfiled engine either. There are a handful of engines we just naturally think of as oilfield engines. Maybe it is simply that these are the engines that were marketed exclusively(?) thru the oilfield supply catalogs. There are engines like the Spence that Tom posted yesterday on OFES that leave no doubt it is an oilfiled engine because of the heavy back gearing and crankarms built into the subbase of the engine. Certainly companies like Fairbanks marketed their engines to both the farm and oilfield segments. Did companies like Famous and Hercules make an effort to do so? I've never seen anything in their literature to indicate this.... Curt Glenn A Karch wrote: >Curt, > >I would define an oil field engine as one that was used in the oil fields >for some purpose or another. I have 2 HP upright Famous that came from the >oil fileld and it was rigged to run on NG and also rigged to use one of >those big Wico magnetos. I also have a 6 HP Foos that was also rigged up >the same way. There was an ordinary F-M hopper cooled Z rigged up the same >way. I took them right out of the oil field junk yard along with many other >oil field artifacts including a 25 HP superior, two 12" 35 HP Superior >pistons, big Wico magnetos, misc parts, etc. > >We think of Bessmers, Reids, etc as being oil field engines, but I am sure >they were also used in some non oil filed situations. > >Define a feed mill or a cotton gin engine > >Glenn > >Glenn Karch >Haubstadt, IN, USA >Hercules Historian >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Curt Holland" >To: "SEL(new)" >Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 7:59 AM >Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? > > > > >>Guys, >>Have a question for you. What exactly defines an engine as a oil field >>engine? >>-It's not the number of cycles.....I've seen a few (very few though) 4 >>cycle oil field engines. >>-It's not the HP.....I've seen oilfield engines in the 4HP range. >>-Some have side shafts and some don't...... >>-Some have hot tube and some are mag fired..... >> >>Is it the NG fuel use? (Did any OF engines use a fuel other than NG?) >>Is it simply that it was marketed for use only as an oil pumper? >> >>Looking forward to your thoughts.... >>Curt Holland >>Gastonia, NC >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jul 9 09:21:22 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 12:21:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? References: Message-ID: <40EEC602.5000303@imc-group.com> Excellent point Jim! The Fairbanks engines with the self contained radiators fall right into that category. Curt Jim Dragoset wrote: >Curt, >I would think that the term implies the engine is intended to run 24/7 in a >mostly >untended condition. >Jim Dragoset > > > From don.h at wcoil.com Fri Jul 9 09:39:54 2004 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:39:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? References: <40EE96AC.1010404@imc-group.com> <002f01c465c3$c1ffa040$3b29ea41@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000501c465d3$5d881240$6401a8c0@shop> My OIL FIELD ENGINE was used in the oil fields to run a washer its called a MAYTAG Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn A Karch" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? > Curt, > > I would define an oil field engine as one that was used in the oil fields > for some purpose or another. I have 2 HP upright Famous that came from the > oil fileld and it was rigged to run on NG and also rigged to use one of > those big Wico magnetos. I also have a 6 HP Foos that was also rigged up > the same way. There was an ordinary F-M hopper cooled Z rigged up the same > way. I took them right out of the oil field junk yard along with many other > oil field artifacts including a 25 HP superior, two 12" 35 HP Superior > pistons, big Wico magnetos, misc parts, etc. > > We think of Bessmers, Reids, etc as being oil field engines, but I am sure > they were also used in some non oil filed situations. > > Define a feed mill or a cotton gin engine > > Glenn > > Glenn Karch > Haubstadt, IN, USA > Hercules Historian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt Holland" > To: "SEL(new)" > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 7:59 AM > Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? > > > > Guys, > > Have a question for you. What exactly defines an engine as a oil field > > engine? > > -It's not the number of cycles.....I've seen a few (very few though) 4 > > cycle oil field engines. > > -It's not the HP.....I've seen oilfield engines in the 4HP range. > > -Some have side shafts and some don't...... > > -Some have hot tube and some are mag fired..... > > > > Is it the NG fuel use? (Did any OF engines use a fuel other than NG?) > > Is it simply that it was marketed for use only as an oil pumper? > > > > Looking forward to your thoughts.... > > Curt Holland > > Gastonia, NC > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From kerogas at the-i.net Fri Jul 9 11:44:06 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:44:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? References: <40EE96AC.1010404@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003201c465e4$b7f5baa0$07905841@oemcomputer> If it can pull a power Id say you're in by the narrowist definition When someone says they collect oilfield engines you know he doesnt mean "those little things " . From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jul 9 11:50:18 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? In-Reply-To: <40EEC36C.6080308@imc-group.com> References: <40EE96AC.1010404@imc-group.com> <002f01c465c3$c1ffa040$3b29ea41@oemcomputer> <40EEC36C.6080308@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, While Novo didn't specifically market the Novo "S" engine as an "oilfield engine", Novo did offer these engines with optional gas mixers and gasometers that would allow them to be run on well head gas. They also had substantial factory back-gearing as an option that facilitated use on pump & winch applications. However, the Oil Well Supply Company certainly did offer pumping rigs based on the Novo "S" engines. I copied several pages from an OWS catalog that shows three different styles of pump jack equipped with a Novo "S" engine in the range of 4-10 hp. Refer to: http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Nova_S_misc.pdf They also point out that the outfit can be equipped with a winch for pulling rods or tubing. So add the trusty and ever popular Novo "S" to the list of "oilfield engines." See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Curt Holland wrote: > Like the Famous and the Foos you mention, I have seen Witte's on > pumpers. I don't think of a Witte as an oilfiled engine either. > There are a handful of engines we just naturally think of as oilfield > engines. > Maybe it is simply that these are the engines that were marketed > exclusively(?) thru the oilfield supply catalogs. > There are engines like the Spence that Tom posted yesterday on OFES that > leave no doubt it is an oilfiled engine because of the heavy back > gearing and crankarms built into the subbase of the engine. > Certainly companies like Fairbanks marketed their engines to both the > farm and oilfield segments. Did companies like Famous and Hercules make > an effort to do so? I've never seen anything in their literature to > indicate this.... From diesel at easynet.co.uk Fri Jul 9 12:12:59 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 20:12:59 +0100 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? In-Reply-To: References: <40EE96AC.1010404@imc-group.com> <002f01c465c3$c1ffa040$3b29ea41@oemcomputer> <40EEC36C.6080308@imc-group.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:50:18 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Hi Curt, > >While Novo didn't specifically market the Novo "S" engine as an "oilfield >engine", Novo did offer these engines with optional gas mixers >and gasometers that would allow them to be run on well head gas. They >also had substantial factory back-gearing as an option that facilitated >use on pump & winch applications. > >However, the Oil Well Supply Company certainly did offer pumping rigs >based on the Novo "S" engines. > >I copied several pages from an OWS catalog that shows three different >styles of pump jack equipped with a Novo "S" engine in the range of 4-10 >hp. Refer to: http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Nova_S_misc.pdf >They also point out that the outfit can be equipped with a winch for >pulling rods or tubing. > >So add the trusty and ever popular Novo "S" to the list of "oilfield >engines." > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero Nordberg also made engine sets for oil well pumping duty, we have a bunch of pic's of them on our webpages somewhere... http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nordberg/Nordberg1.htm Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jul 9 13:06:05 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 16:06:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? References: <40EE96AC.1010404@imc-group.com> <002f01c465c3$c1ffa040$3b29ea41@oemcomputer> <40EEC36C.6080308@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <40EEFAAD.5050804@imc-group.com> Arnie, Nice post from the Oil Well Supply Catalog! Would this kind of pump (Barnes) have been used to pump oil from a holding tank (being filled by several wells being run on a power) to a nearby rail car? When Keith took us to the oil lease in Ill. I believe it was described to us that way. The transfer pump was no longer there because today they pumped out of the holding tank into over the road tankers. But the foundation for the old transfer pump was still there. Curt Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Curt, > >While Novo didn't specifically market the Novo "S" engine as an "oilfield >engine", Novo did offer these engines with optional gas mixers >and gasometers that would allow them to be run on well head gas. They >also had substantial factory back-gearing as an option that facilitated >use on pump & winch applications. > >However, the Oil Well Supply Company certainly did offer pumping rigs >based on the Novo "S" engines. > >I copied several pages from an OWS catalog that shows three different >styles of pump jack equipped with a Novo "S" engine in the range of 4-10 >hp. Refer to: http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Nova_S_misc.pdf >They also point out that the outfit can be equipped with a winch for >pulling rods or tubing. > >So add the trusty and ever popular Novo "S" to the list of "oilfield >engines." > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA > >On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Curt Holland wrote: > > > >>Like the Famous and the Foos you mention, I have seen Witte's on >>pumpers. I don't think of a Witte as an oilfiled engine either. >>There are a handful of engines we just naturally think of as oilfield >>engines. >>Maybe it is simply that these are the engines that were marketed >>exclusively(?) thru the oilfield supply catalogs. >>There are engines like the Spence that Tom posted yesterday on OFES that >>leave no doubt it is an oilfiled engine because of the heavy back >>gearing and crankarms built into the subbase of the engine. >>Certainly companies like Fairbanks marketed their engines to both the >>farm and oilfield segments. Did companies like Famous and Hercules make >>an effort to do so? I've never seen anything in their literature to >>indicate this.... >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From ivancou at usachoice.net Fri Jul 9 16:31:37 2004 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:31:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Transportation Help to Portland References: <013b01c46239$56bb4d30$d3f70cd1@VAIO><000701c462f5$a88dee80$ea83fea9@y0y2a7><002501c462fc$f8bf1710$d4f70cd1@VAIO><000301c463c4$6e5f5da0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> <052b01c463cd$587c1970$d0f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <002901c4660c$e699db20$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Paul , just got back from out of town .Wife and I were talking about it so I looked it up to see how far it is from me . Would be a 16 hr drive rt . I'll try again , Ivan From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Fri Jul 9 17:02:40 2004 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 17:02:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'd say Jim pretty much hit the nail on the head. We had two 'oilfield engines' on our lease (Murphy Coyote http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?t=1&s=13&x=256&y=2344&z=11&w=1) They were both inline 6's, ran off the gas we produced on the hill, and had a typical radiator that was self filling, similar to toilet internals using a ballcock. Wish now that I had taken pictures, but those engines weren't all that exciting to me back then. Something else to consider, the gas engines that worked pumping units are for shallow wells. They just don't have the oomph needed for deep wells. For some pics of the lease I operated on in So Kal, go to http://homepage.mac.com/kelleygarcia/Chevron/PhotoAlbum4.html -- Kelley Garcia La Habra, Ka. USA On 7/9/04 8:41 AM, "Jim Dragoset" wrote: > Curt, > I would think that the term implies the engine is intended to run 24/7 in a > mostly > untended condition. > Jim Dragoset > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Curt > Holland > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 7:59 AM > To: SEL(new) > Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? > > > Guys, > Have a question for you. What exactly defines an engine as a oil field > engine? > -It's not the number of cycles.....I've seen a few (very few though) 4 > cycle oil field engines. > -It's not the HP.....I've seen oilfield engines in the 4HP range. > -Some have side shafts and some don't...... > -Some have hot tube and some are mag fired..... > > Is it the NG fuel use? (Did any OF engines use a fuel other than NG?) > Is it simply that it was marketed for use only as an oil pumper? > > Looking forward to your thoughts.... > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > From yostsw at atis.net Fri Jul 9 19:31:06 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 22:31:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Auction Proceeds References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200> <200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200> <200406231816100593.1B13A373@192.168.2.200> <200406241145380078.1ED4722F@192.168.2.200> <200406241734500359.201437E1@192.168.2.200> <200407061438370953.14B4E57A@192.168.2.200> Message-ID: <200407092231060171.026123B2@192.168.2.200> Just wanted to give everyone an accounting of the charity auction votes and proceeds. Sorry this is so late, but a lot was packed up during the sales of my business and it took me a few weeks to find it and get everything organized and money sent out. Also, this was this worst year for dead bids, "lost" checks, broken items, etc. It took 4 months just to get a 75% collection rate. The overwhelming favorites were ALS and Military Family Relief organizations. Therefore, these two organizations merited %20 of the proceeds each. I used %5 of my choice to our church's mission trip for the youth group and Dave Rotigel ear-marked his for the Urban Education Scholarship Endowment at Indiana University of Pennsylvania. I was going to use my 5% for Scott Satturlund Memorial Cancer Fund. but I used it to refund the money on the broken "Lavender Lady". There is a $150 "mystery donation" coming in from a subscriber so I am going to go ahead and write a $200 check to this fund and mail it tomorrow. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------- Disbursements: $800 ALS (Lou Gehrig's disease) Association. In memory of Bernie Hartman $800 Miltary Family Relief. Consisted of: $400 Navy and Marines Corps Relief Society $200 Air Force Assistance Fund $200 Army Emergency Relief $400 Wisconsin Historical Society (Keeper of the IHC Archives) $400 Internal Fire, Museum of Power $400 Urban Education Scholarship Endowment Fund (Dave Rotigel Choice) $200 Brookstown United Methodist Church Youth Mission Trip (my choice) $400 Tod Engine Project $400 Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation International $168 Refund to Dave DiRuscio for Laveder Lady Engine that arrived broken. --------------- $3968 $84.02 Amount in Checking -------------- $4052.02 ======== Income: $2500 - Summer 2003 Portland Charity Auction(The amount was actually $2400 plus some change but Dave Rotigel rounded up to $2500) $1557 - Christmas Charity Auction (Bids of $2054 but only collected $1557. This was the worst year ever for dead bids, broken items and "lost" and bad checks!!!) ------------- $4039.52 $ 13 Deposit by Spencer last summer to keep minimum balance ------------- $4052.02 ======= Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Jul 9 20:16:00 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 23:16:00 EDT Subject: [SEL] Auction Proceeds Message-ID: <6d.2def6c8d.2e20b970@aol.com> Spencer, Thanks for the up date. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From glenn.karch at gte.net Fri Jul 9 20:54:56 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:54:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? References: <40EE96AC.1010404@imc-group.com><002f01c465c3$c1ffa040$3b29ea41@oemcomputer> <40EEC36C.6080308@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003d01c46631$ac3c9a60$9e29ea41@oemcomputer> Curt, Hercules made engines that had a mixer that would allow it to run on gasoline, NG and producer gas. These are most often found in the eastern oil field areas. The Parkersburg Machine Co sold the equivalent of a model T thermoil. They also made a NG mixer for the throttling governed Hercules engines. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? > Glenn, > Like the Famous and the Foos you mention, I have seen Witte's on > pumpers. I don't think of a Witte as an oilfiled engine either. > There are a handful of engines we just naturally think of as oilfield > engines. > Maybe it is simply that these are the engines that were marketed > exclusively(?) thru the oilfield supply catalogs. > There are engines like the Spence that Tom posted yesterday on OFES that > leave no doubt it is an oilfiled engine because of the heavy back > gearing and crankarms built into the subbase of the engine. > Certainly companies like Fairbanks marketed their engines to both the > farm and oilfield segments. Did companies like Famous and Hercules make > an effort to do so? I've never seen anything in their literature to > indicate this.... > Curt > > Glenn A Karch wrote: > > >Curt, > > > >I would define an oil field engine as one that was used in the oil fields > >for some purpose or another. I have 2 HP upright Famous that came from the > >oil fileld and it was rigged to run on NG and also rigged to use one of > >those big Wico magnetos. I also have a 6 HP Foos that was also rigged up > >the same way. There was an ordinary F-M hopper cooled Z rigged up the same > >way. I took them right out of the oil field junk yard along with many other > >oil field artifacts including a 25 HP superior, two 12" 35 HP Superior > >pistons, big Wico magnetos, misc parts, etc. > > > >We think of Bessmers, Reids, etc as being oil field engines, but I am sure > >they were also used in some non oil filed situations. > > > >Define a feed mill or a cotton gin engine > > > >Glenn > > > >Glenn Karch > >Haubstadt, IN, USA > >Hercules Historian > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Curt Holland" > >To: "SEL(new)" > >Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 7:59 AM > >Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? > > > > > > > > > >>Guys, > >>Have a question for you. What exactly defines an engine as a oil field > >>engine? > >>-It's not the number of cycles.....I've seen a few (very few though) 4 > >>cycle oil field engines. > >>-It's not the HP.....I've seen oilfield engines in the 4HP range. > >>-Some have side shafts and some don't...... > >>-Some have hot tube and some are mag fired..... > >> > >>Is it the NG fuel use? (Did any OF engines use a fuel other than NG?) > >>Is it simply that it was marketed for use only as an oil pumper? > >> > >>Looking forward to your thoughts.... > >>Curt Holland > >>Gastonia, NC > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 9 21:47:14 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 23:47:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Ted Brookover's E-mail Address Message-ID: <028701c46638$fc7d2c40$e3f70cd1@VAIO> Ted if you are lurking I need your e-mail address and if Ted is not lurking I would appreciate someone sending it to me. Thanks, Paul From jlb94 at juno.com Sat Jul 10 11:15:00 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:15:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Ted Brookover's E-mail Address Message-ID: <20040710.141514.608.0.jlb94@juno.com> Here's what I have Paul, ignitors at earthlink.net From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Jul 10 11:17:04 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:17:04 EDT Subject: [SEL] Need Ted Brookover's E-mail Address Message-ID: In a message dated 7/10/2004 12:50:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pmaples at anaxis.net writes: << Ted if you are lurking I need your e-mail address and if Ted is not lurking I would appreciate someone sending it to me. >> Paul, This is the last address i had for Ted: ignitors at sbcglobal.net Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sat Jul 10 13:38:54 2004 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:38:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] portland camping? Message-ID: <000901c466bd$eb6603c0$24b74004@dslverizon.net> Who is running the camping at portland this year? Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA, U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net From oldengin at udata.com Sat Jul 10 17:04:10 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 20:04:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] portland camping? In-Reply-To: <000901c466bd$eb6603c0$24b74004@dslverizon.net> References: <000901c466bd$eb6603c0$24b74004@dslverizon.net> Message-ID: <40F083FA.4080701@udata.com> Jim and Diane wrote: >Who is running the camping at portland this year? > > > Gday Well for the past few years it seems like me and Bill Pfeiffer Jr. have been holding down the forts.... I was thinking just today that maybe it was time to start asking if any one wants or needs camping space in Portland? The area that I have been camping at is next to the river and close to the bathroom facilities. This camp site, on Minneapolis Moline Drive, does have electric but is a good walk to the exhibit area. Portland does have a trolley service which will haul you to gate of the fairgrounds. Portland last year also implemented a 5.00 camping fee for exhibitors, 25.00 PER DAY for non exhibitors. I know of one other fellow that wants a camping space saved for him at this time, so that makes 3! See my old friend from Kansas, 81 now, will be camping beside of me..... And be sure to bring an engin to exhibit! -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Jul 10 21:47:27 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 21:47:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <200407110448.i6B4lagu003416@heavyiron.atis.net> Hi, I'm trying to help a friend identify an engine. It has the name "Dairy Maid" on the hopper that resembles a Waterloo except the igniter mounting boss is diamond shaped instead of round . Dose anyone have a similar engine or know its origin? Thanks for any help. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato,Ca Jim O'Hagan From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 10 23:28:37 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 01:28:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Ted Brookover's E-mail Address References: <20040710.141514.608.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <00e601c46711$dab9a140$e9f70cd1@VAIO> Thanks. It is now 1:30 AM in the morning and I just got my computer back on line after doing a full system recovery. Everything is once again working and I hope it will stay this way. This is why I am so late in responding to your message. Thanks for giving me Ted's e-mail address. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Ted Brookover's E-mail Address > Here's what I have Paul, > > > > ignitors at earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 10 23:28:56 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 01:28:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Ted Brookover's E-mail Address References: Message-ID: <00e701c46711$db231170$e9f70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Tom, I appreciate it. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Ted Brookover's E-mail Address > In a message dated 7/10/2004 12:50:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > pmaples at anaxis.net writes: > > << Ted if you are lurking I need your e-mail address and if Ted is not lurking > I would appreciate someone sending it to me. >> > Paul, > > This is the last address i had for Ted: ignitors at sbcglobal.net > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From zobel at earthvision.asu.edu Sat Jul 10 23:55:04 2004 From: zobel at earthvision.asu.edu (zobel) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 23:55:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Associated Fuel Tank Mount Message-ID: I have an Associated 2 1/2 Hp hopper cooled engine. Finally got it running. The only thing left to sort out is the box that holds the fuel tank at the mixer height. Does anybody know of any plans for this box? I'd like to know what the proper joinery is. There are pictures of it in the book I bought about Associated Engines but they are a little vague. Thanks for any help. From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 10 23:59:07 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 01:59:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problem Solved - I hope! Message-ID: <010301c46714$91d6b230$e9f70cd1@VAIO> Well folks after trying everything everyone suggested and nothing working I did a complete System Recovery starting early Saturday afternoon. It is now 1:55 AM Sunday morning and I just finished getting all of the Norton and Windows updates loaded and I am now back on line and everything seems to be working great. No more disconnecting and things are running great for the Dial Up connection that I have. I can only surmise that somehow some file must have gotten corrupted or I lost a file or something as there was no virus's on the computer. I once again need the Outlook Express information for downloading the file I need to get "Spell Check" working so I am hoping that once again someone will still have the copy of the e-mail that gave the instructions for fixing the "Spell Check" issue with Outlook Express. I am going to close for now and body slam the bed as I am exhausted. This will be the last time I ever do a System Recovery with Dial Up, I am going to DSL, it has taken me eight hours to complete this System Recovery using Dial Up. Good Night Folks, Paul From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Jul 10 16:39:01 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 09:39:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] portland camping? References: <000901c466bd$eb6603c0$24b74004@dslverizon.net> Message-ID: <007c01c46722$bebfb400$770d1bd3@athlon> Dunno but, sadly, I wont be there to check it out. (Sob) Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Diane" To: Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:38 AM Subject: [SEL] portland camping? > Who is running the camping at portland this year? > > Jim > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Jul 11 01:58:53 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 09:58:53 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problem Solved - I hope! In-Reply-To: <010301c46714$91d6b230$e9f70cd1@VAIO> References: <010301c46714$91d6b230$e9f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 01:59:07 -0500, you wrote: > >I am going to close for now and body slam the bed as I am exhausted. This >will be the last time I ever do a System Recovery with Dial Up, I am going >to DSL, it has taken me eight hours to complete this System Recovery using >Dial Up. > >Good Night Folks, > >Paul An epic tale indeed, but surely Paul's tale is not typical for others, and there is some reason for the failure/problems? We have had the occasional glitch, but nothing as bad as what Paul has been describing, and we operate many more machines than he does, with a mixture of DSL and dial-up connections. One thing we have kept consistently to on ALL machines is Windows2000Pro, Microsoft automatic updates, Zone-Alarm Pro firewall and Norton AV. I personally don't reckon much on XP as an Operating System, seeing a lot of compatibility issues on the newsgroups. We find that Win2kPro is much better supported on the hardware side. Just to give a quick example of that, we have one machine we run DOS CAD programmes on, and that uses a 1991 Orchid ProDesigner II graphics card with 1meg of memory only. That runs perfectly well in Windows with no problems at all, while some of the newer cards have all sorts of speed and memory hassles. Just a few thoughts from the UK. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Jul 11 04:38:45 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 07:38:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] portland camping? References: <000901c466bd$eb6603c0$24b74004@dslverizon.net> <007c01c46722$bebfb400$770d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <089f01c4673b$a05a4b60$0400a8c0@Dave> Hi Reg, Will you please appoint me to give the "Traditional Australian Greeting" to the waitresses at the Back 40? Dave Dunno but, sadly, I wont be there to check it out. (Sob) > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim and Diane" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:38 AM > Subject: [SEL] portland camping? > > > > Who is running the camping at portland this year? > > > > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Jul 11 06:10:31 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 09:10:31 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problem Solved - I hope! Message-ID: In a message dated 7/11/2004 3:08:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pmaples at anaxis.net writes: << I did a complete System Recovery starting early Saturday afternoon >> Paul, Hope that things continue to work correctly and I hope I never have to do a system recovery as you have done. I would not even know where to begin. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From pmaples at anaxis.net Sun Jul 11 07:13:14 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 09:13:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] portland camping? References: <000901c466bd$eb6603c0$24b74004@dslverizon.net> <007c01c46722$bebfb400$770d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <002201c46751$36ce5400$ebf70cd1@VAIO> Reg we are going to miss you at Portland, it just want be the same without you. Come on, sell one of those models and get you an airline ticket, there is still pleanty of time. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] portland camping? > Dunno but, sadly, I wont be there to check it out. (Sob) > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim and Diane" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:38 AM > Subject: [SEL] portland camping? > > > > Who is running the camping at portland this year? > > > > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sun Jul 11 07:20:05 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 09:20:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problem Solved - I hope! References: Message-ID: <005601c46752$2bba5ef0$ebf70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Tom for the kind words, she is running fine this morning and I hope it continues to do so as I am too old to have to deal with things like this. This took an additional two years off of my life...........at least. I am calling first thing tomorrow and getting DSL which would have cut my install time in half over this slow Dial Up service I have now. Have A Great Day!! Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problem Solved - I hope! > In a message dated 7/11/2004 3:08:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > pmaples at anaxis.net writes: > > << I > did a complete System Recovery starting early Saturday afternoon >> > > > Paul, > > Hope that things continue to work correctly and I hope I never have to do a > system recovery as you have done. I would not even know where to begin. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Jul 11 09:05:08 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 12:05:08 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Problem Solved - I hope! Message-ID: In a message dated 7/11/2004 10:37:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pmaples at anaxis.net writes: << I am calling first thing tomorrow and getting DSL which would have cut my install time in half over this slow Dial Up service I have now. >> Paul, DSL will probably be 10 years before it comes to the rural America where I live. Connecting at 44 to 48 K on my old country line now. Slow compared to most now a days. Tom From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Jul 11 12:10:37 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 15:10:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland In-Reply-To: <089f01c4673b$a05a4b60$0400a8c0@Dave> References: <000901c466bd$eb6603c0$24b74004@dslverizon.net> <007c01c46722$bebfb400$770d1bd3@athlon> <089f01c4673b$a05a4b60$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: Well, being in a short-term cash flow bind after buying and renovating a house that the kids are now living in, having a bunch of recent unexpected vehicle repair and medical expenses, etc., I told Jane I'd skip Portland this year. I was sad to do so, of course, but Jane suggested I could "reward myself" by buying another old cheapo military surplus firearm, which eases the pain a bit. What surprised me was how hard Jennifer and Josh took the news that we weren't going. They really enjoyed being there and getting to know everybody last year. Jenn's really pushing to go up there for one day, going in as spectators and just visiting around with everybody before going back. Haven't yet cancelled the motel reservation in Muncie, so we just might yet do that. Jenn'll probably settle down when she hears Reg isn't coming, though. She was really looking forward to seeing him again. BTW, I've got a nice one-owner 1985 Harley FLTC Tour Glide with lots of extras for sale, priced quite reasonably. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Jul 11 12:33:03 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (dave croft) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 20:33:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Unknown engine Message-ID: <000501c4677d$eeef7560$06856ad5@one> This engine was shown at Burford show in the UK this weekend. http://community.webshots.com/photo/26047737/161954358tcwbaz The photographer has lost his notes & I would love to know the name of this little Engine/Compressor unit. It doesn't look English to me. Does anyone recognise it please?. Dave Croft Warrington England http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv British Map http://pub32.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=2692147218 World Map http://pub13.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=1064374771 From don.h at wcoil.com Sun Jul 11 12:40:11 2004 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 15:40:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] shame on you??? References: <000901c466bd$eb6603c0$24b74004@dslverizon.net><007c01c46722$bebfb400$770d1bd3@athlon><089f01c4673b$a05a4b60$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <000501c4677e$e1acb970$6401a8c0@shop> Sorry Dr your not going to portland I,m no going eather just cant do the walking any more Sorry you got the hog for sale, Me to so if you need something faster i have a mint v-rod for sale 4700 miles 2002 with all new red flames paint. Even thinking of selling my big engines 3hp John deer and my 1 1/2 ih few other things I just cant load them up and unload by myself any more gonna think smaller engines hi hi nice seeing ya in print here thought maybee you got so caught up in the music field you might have reverted back to rock and roll Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland > Well, being in a short-term cash flow bind after buying and renovating > a house that the kids are now living in, having a bunch of recent > unexpected vehicle repair and medical expenses, etc., I told Jane I'd > skip Portland this year. I was sad to do so, of course, but Jane > suggested I could "reward myself" by buying another old cheapo military > surplus firearm, which eases the pain a bit. What surprised me was how > hard Jennifer and Josh took the news that we weren't going. They really > enjoyed being there and getting to know everybody last year. Jenn's > really pushing to go up there for one day, going in as spectators and > just visiting around with everybody before going back. Haven't yet > cancelled the motel reservation in Muncie, so we just might yet do > that. Jenn'll probably settle down when she hears Reg isn't coming, > though. She was really looking forward to seeing him again. > > BTW, I've got a nice one-owner 1985 Harley FLTC Tour Glide with lots of > extras for sale, priced quite reasonably. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sun Jul 11 15:23:38 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 17:23:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Spell Checker Message-ID: <005a01c46795$b8c40a60$d7f70cd1@VAIO> Ok gang here we go again. I dumped my hard drive and competed a System Recovery on my pc and as usual the spell checker does not work in Outlook Express. I need someone to send back to me the message I sent out sometime ago that had the instructions for downloading a certain file and then copying it back into the right folder which then turns the spell checker on. Thanks for the help, this computer is draining the life right out of me. Paul From don.h at wcoil.com Sun Jul 11 15:59:28 2004 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 18:59:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Spell Checker References: <005a01c46795$b8c40a60$d7f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <000501c4679a$b8a3bee0$6401a8c0@shop> How to fix spell check in Outlook Express 6 If you are running Windows XP and are also using Microsoft Office 97, you may find that spell checking does not work in Outlook Express 6.0. When you try to spell check a message, you receive the message "an error occurred whilst the spelling was being checked". The cause of this problem is a missing file which Outlook Express requires. Solution: Obtain a copy of the file csapi3t1.dll and place it in the folder "Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Proof". Copies of this file may be extracted from the file mailnews.cab in an Internet Explorer 5.0 or 5.5 distribution set, the file win98_27.cab on a Windows 98 CD, or the file Win_10.cab on a Windows Me CD. A copy may also be downloaded by clicking on this link which will download from the site listed below. Note: the spell checker will only work if you have a recent version of Microsoft Office. You didn't really expect Microsoft to support spell checkers in competitors' Office packages, did you? This tip was taken from: http://www.tech-pro.co.uk/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:23 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Spell Checker > Ok gang here we go again. I dumped my hard drive and competed a System > Recovery on my pc and as usual the spell checker does not work in Outlook > Express. I need someone to send back to me the message I sent out sometime > ago that had the instructions for downloading a certain file and then > copying it back into the right folder which then turns the spell checker on. > Thanks for the help, this computer is draining the life right out of me. > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From don.h at wcoil.com Sun Jul 11 16:00:50 2004 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 19:00:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Spell Checker References: <005a01c46795$b8c40a60$d7f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <000901c4679a$e92224d0$6401a8c0@shop> Hope the file I sent you will help?? Dont no what system your useing???? Just serch on Outlook express in your broser ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:23 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Spell Checker > Ok gang here we go again. I dumped my hard drive and competed a System > Recovery on my pc and as usual the spell checker does not work in Outlook > Express. I need someone to send back to me the message I sent out sometime > ago that had the instructions for downloading a certain file and then > copying it back into the right folder which then turns the spell checker on. > Thanks for the help, this computer is draining the life right out of me. > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From driggars at earthlink.net Sun Jul 11 16:41:44 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 18:41:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Spell Checker References: <005a01c46795$b8c40a60$d7f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <01f301c467a0$a0940520$d8a3e104@clinton> Paul is this the link you are looking for? http://www.iespell.com/ Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 5:23 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Spell Checker > Ok gang here we go again. I dumped my hard drive and competed a System > Recovery on my pc and as usual the spell checker does not work in Outlook > Express. I need someone to send back to me the message I sent out sometime > ago that had the instructions for downloading a certain file and then > copying it back into the right folder which then turns the spell checker on. > Thanks for the help, this computer is draining the life right out of me. > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pmaples at anaxis.net Sun Jul 11 18:35:31 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 20:35:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Spell Checker References: <005a01c46795$b8c40a60$d7f70cd1@VAIO> <01f301c467a0$a0940520$d8a3e104@clinton> Message-ID: <005501c467b0$a034dae0$eaf70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Clint for responding. Larry Evans and Don had responded off list and gave me the link which is this one http://www.theeldergeek.com/oe_spellcheck.htm. I now have it up and running. Thanks to all who responded, I appreciate all of you. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Spell Checker > Paul > > is this the link you are looking for? > http://www.iespell.com/ > > Clint > > From driggars at earthlink.net Mon Jul 12 00:51:29 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 02:51:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Spell Checker References: <005a01c46795$b8c40a60$d7f70cd1@VAIO><01f301c467a0$a0940520$d8a3e104@clinton> <005501c467b0$a034dae0$eaf70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <006701c467e5$0b74eb40$0d18e204@clinton> Paul Is the below link a spell check program? to use in place of office 97, etc? Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Spell Checker > Thanks Clint for responding. Larry Evans and Don had responded off list and > gave me the link which is this one > http://www.theeldergeek.com/oe_spellcheck.htm. I now have it up and running. > Thanks to all who responded, I appreciate all of you. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clint D" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:41 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Spell Checker > > > > Paul > > > > is this the link you are looking for? > > http://www.iespell.com/ > > > > Clint > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Jul 11 16:13:36 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:13:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] portland camping? References: <000901c466bd$eb6603c0$24b74004@dslverizon.net><007c01c46722$bebfb400$770d1bd3@athlon> <089f01c4673b$a05a4b60$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <00df01c467fe$f10f91a0$b5111bd3@athlon> Of course! A foregone conclusion!! Now remember the training I gave you. Dont stuff it up!! Hmmm, maybe a rephrase is needed! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] portland camping? > Hi Reg, > Will you please appoint me to give the "Traditional Australian Greeting" > to the waitresses at the Back 40? > Dave > > Dunno but, sadly, I wont be there to check it out. (Sob) > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim and Diane" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:38 AM > > Subject: [SEL] portland camping? > > > > > > > Who is running the camping at portland this year? > > > > > > Jim > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Jul 11 16:15:53 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:15:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] portland camping? References: <000901c466bd$eb6603c0$24b74004@dslverizon.net><007c01c46722$bebfb400$770d1bd3@athlon> <002201c46751$36ce5400$ebf70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <00e001c467fe$f1ae42a0$b5111bd3@athlon> The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] portland camping? > Reg we are going to miss you at Portland, it just want be the same without > you. Come on, sell one of those models and get you an airline ticket, there > is still pleanty of time. > > Paul From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 12 09:07:07 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Scott-Homer Engines (fwd) Message-ID: If you can help, please contact her directly. She is NOT on the list. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 19:47:55 +0100 From: Emmie Foxall To: fero_ah at city-net.com Subject: Scott-Homer Engines Dear Sir I am writing in the hope that you will be able to help me. I am trying to find out as much information as Scott-Homer Gas Engines as possible, and in a perfect world trace a machine. My Grandad is Harry Scott Homer (III) and it is his grandfather, Harry Scott-Homer who made these machines. My Grandad still lives in the same house in the Midlands, England and the workshop is still standing albeit used as a garage now. If you could help me in the smallest way, I would be incredibly grateful. Thank you for taking the time to read this email & I apologise for any inconvenience caused. Emmie Foxall From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jul 12 12:01:18 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:01:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? References: <40EE96AC.1010404@imc-group.com><002f01c465c3$c1ffa040$3b29ea41@oemcomputer> <40EEC36C.6080308@imc-group.com> <003d01c46631$ac3c9a60$9e29ea41@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <40F2DFFE.7000407@imc-group.com> Glenn, This is the same style NG mixer you were showing at Coolsprings last year? Did Parkersburg Machine make a knockoff of the Thermoil or buy and rebadge the engine? Curt Glenn A Karch wrote: >Curt, > >Hercules made engines that had a mixer that would allow it to run on >gasoline, NG and producer gas. These are most often found in the eastern >oil field areas. The Parkersburg Machine Co sold the equivalent of a model >T thermoil. They also made a NG mixer for the throttling governed Hercules >engines. > > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Mon Jul 12 12:29:18 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:29:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. DSL Service - Run a Dedicated line? Message-ID: <00bb01c46846$889bd550$c9f70cd1@VAIO> Ok Gang enough is enough, I just ordered DSL service for my internet connections on my PC. However it will be the 22nd of this month before it is turned on, something about them doing a major upgrade on the local service which is delaying it a few days...phooey!. Anyway my question to you current DSL users or you computer guru's is: (1) Would it be better if I ran a dedicated cable from the phone box to my new DSL router? Currently I have two phone lines, (only one phone cable) one for the home and one for the computer and of course they are all in one cable with two of the four wires for the home line and two of the four wires for the computer. (I have two separate telephone numbers). Also connected to this home is an array of extension wires to phones in every room of the house including my shop as well as phone lines to the satellite receivers. If it would be better to run a dedicated line to my router for DSL service is there a certain wire, or cable that is recommended. I want to do this up right and need the input from you experts on the subject. Thanks again for all of the help. Paul P.S. So far the computer is working, I have my fingers crossed that it will stay this way. From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Jul 12 13:41:44 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:41:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. DSL Service - Run a Dedicated line? References: <00bb01c46846$889bd550$c9f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <001c01c46850$a5e00190$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Paul, I would go with a dedicated line from the phone box. I did mine that way with regular phone cable and it works fine. For a new line like you're installing, go with Cat 5 as Bill mentioned. You can buy two or four wire Cat 5 cable depending on how many wires your system uses. My Telco uses two. Run from the box outside to the plug in box inside. No connectors needed. The RJ11 cord that comes with your DSL kit should work fine from the inside box to the modem. You will also need a NIC for this. That's a network interface card. It connects between the modem and your computer. On a laptop you can buy a PC card NIC. For a desktop you have to add a card inside if you don't have one. I think there are USB cards available also if you don't want to go inside the box. My two cents worth. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 1:29 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. DSL Service - Run a Dedicated line? > Ok Gang enough is enough, I just ordered DSL service for my internet > connections on my PC. However it will be the 22nd of this month before it is > turned on, something about them doing a major upgrade on the local service > which is delaying it a few days...phooey!. > > Anyway my question to you current DSL users or you computer guru's is: > > (1) Would it be better if I ran a dedicated cable from the phone box to my > new DSL router? Currently I have two phone lines, (only one phone cable) one > for the home and one for the computer and of course they are all in one > cable with two of the four wires for the home line and two of the four wires > for the computer. (I have two separate telephone numbers). > > Also connected to this home is an array of extension wires to phones in > every room of the house including my shop as well as phone lines to the > satellite receivers. > > If it would be better to run a dedicated line to my router for DSL service > is there a certain wire, or cable that is recommended. I want to do this up > right and need the input from you experts on the subject. > > Thanks again for all of the help. > > Paul > > P.S. So far the computer is working, I have my fingers crossed that it will > stay this way. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Mon Jul 12 13:46:24 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:46:24 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. DSL Service - Run a Dedicated line? In-Reply-To: <00bb01c46846$889bd550$c9f70cd1@VAIO> References: <00bb01c46846$889bd550$c9f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:29:18 -0500, you wrote: > >Anyway my question to you current DSL users or you computer guru's is: > >(1) Would it be better if I ran a dedicated cable from the phone box to my >new DSL router? Currently I have two phone lines, (only one phone cable) one >for the home and one for the computer and of course they are all in one >cable with two of the four wires for the home line and two of the four wires >for the computer. (I have two separate telephone numbers). > >Also connected to this home is an array of extension wires to phones in >every room of the house including my shop as well as phone lines to the >satellite receivers. > >If it would be better to run a dedicated line to my router for DSL service >is there a certain wire, or cable that is recommended. I want to do this up >right and need the input from you experts on the subject. > >Thanks again for all of the help. > >Paul It depends on how your DSL service is set up by the phone company. Here, we have a standard phone line which takes low frequency voice calls as usual, and also the high-frequency DSL At the phone jack, we have a filter which plugs into the phone jack and splits the signal, one socket then going to the standard phone, another to the DSL service user (DSL modem) I believe that our lines are tested for response before our phone service turns on the DSL service, and in our case the phone lines are fairly new as we had the three lines moved about 5 years ago from one end of the property to the other, but they still come in on overhead wires like a lot of country homes. The DSL signal goes to the new modem (You cannot use the old modem on DSL) and then it all depends on what you need at home. We run out of the modem into a US Robotics 8000 series router, which then feeds an 8-way network switch. All our machines are on the network switch. We use the switch as we have more than 4 machines on the network. If we had 4 or less then the basic router would do the job. If you had a modem/router combination unit, then you're saved the cabling between two units as all the machines would come straight out of the modem/router. As we have the phone line in the same room as the modem etc., there is no need for us to 'improve' the signal by renewing any cables etc., and the modem service screen shows we are getting maximum rates of data flow so no problems there. In your case it is probably the same, unless you have a grungy old copper cable that is prone to rain or earth leakage, in which case the telco should check it out first. One other point: Wireless. Had we known about wireless modems and networks a little bit earlier, we would have gone for wireless rather than Cat5 cable etc. If you are not too worried about security then wireless networks can be great in the home, especially if you can't drill holes or have cables draped all over. What you should end up with is 24/7 access to the net, with a reliable and fast service. We are slightly ahead of the US in speeds at present, but not hugely so. We can have five machines all running on the net at once here, all sharing the DSL connection and not seeing a big slow-down at all, and it is reliable! Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From glenn.karch at gte.net Mon Jul 12 13:58:33 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:58:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? References: <40EE96AC.1010404@imc-group.com><002f01c465c3$c1ffa040$3b29ea41@oemcomputer> <40EEC36C.6080308@imc-group.com><003d01c46631$ac3c9a60$9e29ea41@oemcomputer> <40F2DFFE.7000407@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001701c46853$0115d9c0$d129ea41@oemcomputer> Curt, The mixer I had at Coolspring last year has a place to screw in the very early version of the NG attachment which I have never seen yet. The more common Hercules NG mixer has is a modified J to accept the NG body which attaches where the choke normally is. In apppearance it looks something like the log saw mixer and has a similar looking valve inside. I think the Parkersburg Co simply rebadged the model T Thermoil. By the way, I am working with another person supplying information to help him develope a Thermoil and Hvid engine web site. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] When is it an oil field engine? > Glenn, > This is the same style NG mixer you were showing at Coolsprings last year? > Did Parkersburg Machine make a knockoff of the Thermoil or buy and > rebadge the engine? > Curt > > Glenn A Karch wrote: > > >Curt, > > > >Hercules made engines that had a mixer that would allow it to run on > >gasoline, NG and producer gas. These are most often found in the eastern > >oil field areas. The Parkersburg Machine Co sold the equivalent of a model > >T thermoil. They also made a NG mixer for the throttling governed Hercules > >engines. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Mon Jul 12 13:53:15 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:53:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. DSL Service - Run a Dedicated line? References: <00bb01c46846$889bd550$c9f70cd1@VAIO> <001c01c46850$a5e00190$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <010c01c46852$44235630$c9f70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Jeff for the information. I had lost all of the information on this subject during the System Recovery over the weekend. They are sending me out a complete installation kit which includes everything for a wireless router. However I want to go and get some of the CAT5 wire and have a dedicated circuit run before the hardware gets here. Thanks again for the information. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. DSL Service - Run a Dedicated line? > Paul, > > I would go with a dedicated line from the phone box. I did mine that way > with regular phone cable and it works fine. For a new line like you're > installing, go with Cat 5 as Bill mentioned. You can buy two or four wire > Cat 5 cable depending on how many wires your system uses. My Telco uses two. > Run from the box outside to the plug in box inside. No connectors needed. > The RJ11 cord that comes with your DSL kit should work fine from the inside > box to the modem. > > You will also need a NIC for this. That's a network interface card. It > connects between the modem and your computer. On a laptop you can buy a PC > card NIC. For a desktop you have to add a card inside if you don't have one. > I think there are USB cards available also if you don't want to go inside > the box. > From pmaples at anaxis.net Mon Jul 12 13:55:17 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:55:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. DSL Service - Run a Dedicated line? References: <00bb01c46846$889bd550$c9f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <011401c46852$8c017810$c9f70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Peter for all of this excellent information. I am installing a wireless router so this will help out quite a bit. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. DSL Service - Run a Dedicated line? > On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:29:18 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >Anyway my question to you current DSL users or you computer guru's is: > > > >(1) Would it be better if I ran a dedicated cable from the phone box to my > >new DSL router? Currently I have two phone lines, (only one phone cable) one > >for the home and one for the computer and of course they are all in one > >cable with two of the four wires for the home line and two of the four wires > >for the computer. (I have two separate telephone numbers). > > > >Also connected to this home is an array of extension wires to phones in > >every room of the house including my shop as well as phone lines to the From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Jul 12 15:14:39 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:14:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) References: <200407110448.i6B4lagu003416@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <001201c4685d$a0bdb150$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Jim, Take a look here: http://oldengine.org/members/allen/WardCatalogs/WardCatalogs.html I can scan more pictures if you want them. Still a work in progress at the link above. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 10:47 PM Subject: [SEL] (no subject) > Hi, > > I'm trying to help a friend identify an engine. It has the name "Dairy > Maid" on the hopper that resembles a Waterloo except the igniter mounting > boss is diamond shaped instead of round . Dose anyone have a similar engine > or know its origin? > > Thanks for any help. Jimmy > O'Hagan, Novato,Ca > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Mon Jul 12 15:27:01 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:27:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Microsoft Powerpoint Template Message-ID: <014e01c4685f$62ced340$c9f70cd1@VAIO> I am looking for a PowerPoint Template that looks like Aluminum Diamond Plate. Does anyone know where I can find this template? Paul From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Jul 12 17:42:09 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:42:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <001201c4685d$a0bdb150$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <200407130042.i6D0gDX8010126@heavyiron.atis.net> Jeff, Thanks for the reply. I'll try to send you a couple of pictures. Ignore the first one, couldn't open it anyway. I looked at it briefly Sunday. It's a little odd in it has only 3 head bolts. Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:15 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) Jim, Take a look here: http://oldengine.org/members/allen/WardCatalogs/WardCatalogs.html I can scan more pictures if you want them. Still a work in progress at the link above. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 10:47 PM Subject: [SEL] (no subject) > Hi, > > I'm trying to help a friend identify an engine. It has the name "Dairy > Maid" on the hopper that resembles a Waterloo except the igniter mounting > boss is diamond shaped instead of round . Dose anyone have a similar engine > or know its origin? > > Thanks for any help. Jimmy > O'Hagan, Novato,Ca > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pmaples at anaxis.net Tue Jul 13 07:40:36 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:40:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need John Billings E-mail Address Message-ID: <00a101c468e9$5f05a290$c6f70cd1@VAIO> Can someone send me John Billings e-mail address, thanks. Paul From pmaples at anaxis.net Tue Jul 13 08:07:05 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:07:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <00e001c468eb$11623ab0$c6f70cd1@VAIO> Folks is it just me or is it taking a long time for messages that we post to show up on the List? Paul From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Jul 13 09:20:10 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:20:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters Message-ID: Howdy List; I know some of you build your own checkvalves. Are there any home made, hidden fuel filters, that you learned about and were impressed with? What I've got to work with is 1/4" npt elbows and ~ 3 feet of 1/4" pipe. The sawrig uses a Lunk. Sawrig coming along nicely Thanks gang RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Jul 13 10:56:33 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:56:33 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Test References: <00e001c468eb$11623ab0$c6f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <000d01c46902$bc1dfef0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> From: "Paul Maples" > Folks is it just me or is it taking a long time for messages that we post to > show up on the List? > > Paul Hi Paul, I got the same idea. Sometimes I see my own post 1 to 2 hours later. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue Jul 13 11:29:08 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:29:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <00e001c468eb$11623ab0$c6f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <200407131829.i6DITFeu006278@heavyiron.atis.net> Hi Paul, It must be you, mine only take a few hours. Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:07 AM To: Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Test Folks is it just me or is it taking a long time for messages that we post to show up on the List? Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rexhinz at chorus.net Tue Jul 13 14:52:20 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:52:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal Message-ID: <001001c46923$afc7df60$5686a5d8@rex> Hi All; I have recived three emails from people claiming to be Reps from PayPal in two days claiming someone is trying to log on to my PayPal account , Each email is from a different sender , First of all I don't have an account or never signed up for a PayPal account , anyone else reciving the same ? I always Pay ebay wins with money order , I am asked to log on to PayPal and type in a new pass word , by not having a account I am thinking maybe some spyware is trying to collect my information , Any thoughts ? rex From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Jul 13 16:50:51 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:50:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson info. Message-ID: <20040713.165052.276.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Is there any serial number lists on the web for Fuller & Johnson, or is Vern Kindschi still the only source? Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Jul 13 17:13:36 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:13:36 EDT Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters Message-ID: In a message dated 7/13/2004 11:38:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: I know some of you build your own checkvalves. Does anyone have a diagram or schematic (with possible list of material) for small check valves for small engines? Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From bcl at grandecom.net Tue Jul 13 18:49:20 2004 From: bcl at grandecom.net (LEW BEST) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:49:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal In-Reply-To: <001001c46923$afc7df60$5686a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <001701c46944$c805c350$6400a8c0@OFFICELEW> Someone's trying to get info! Go to the Paypal site; should be a way to forward the messages to them. May help keep someone with a Paypal account from getting burned if they can find the source! Meantime I'll try to find a link; may have to be a member & log on to get the link. Lew Best in Waco, TX -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 4:52 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal Hi All; I have recived three emails from people claiming to be Reps from PayPal in two days claiming someone is trying to log on to my PayPal account , Each email is from a different sender , First of all I don't have an account or never signed up for a PayPal account , anyone else reciving the same ? I always Pay ebay wins with money order , I am asked to log on to PayPal and type in a new pass word , by not having a account I am thinking maybe some spyware is trying to collect my information , Any thoughts ? rex _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bcl at grandecom.net Tue Jul 13 18:55:04 2004 From: bcl at grandecom.net (LEW BEST) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:55:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal In-Reply-To: <001001c46923$afc7df60$5686a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <001a01c46945$953e8960$6400a8c0@OFFICELEW> Check this out, Rex. Not necessary to log in as a member. https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/email-security-outside If it don't work go to Paypal.com & click on protect yourself link on the left column of the page. Lew Best in Waco, TX -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 4:52 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal Hi All; I have recived three emails from people claiming to be Reps from PayPal in two days claiming someone is trying to log on to my PayPal account , Each email is from a different sender , First of all I don't have an account or never signed up for a PayPal account , anyone else reciving the same ? I always Pay ebay wins with money order , I am asked to log on to PayPal and type in a new pass word , by not having a account I am thinking maybe some spyware is trying to collect my information , Any thoughts ? rex _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jul 13 19:54:21 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:54:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal In-Reply-To: <001001c46923$afc7df60$5686a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <000101c4694d$dd989860$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> It's not "spyware", it's a "scam". They are attempting to collect information. SPYWARE is software installed on YOUR computer, this is like a person coming to your door pretending to be taking census, etc. - this is a "scam". NEVER put in any confidential info. The link isn't even to paypal, even though it "looks like" it is. Never follow such a link - they can see who is visiting by collecting IP addresses and info from your computer if you don't have a good firewall. You may find the same thing from ebay asking you to confirm or update ebay account info because "someone is attempting to use your ebay account". I get the same thing from support at USBank. No one will ever ask you for such info online or via email. USBank asks that you forward a copy of each message to them. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 4:52 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal Hi All; I have recived three emails from people claiming to be Reps from PayPal in two days claiming someone is trying to log on to my PayPal account , Each email is from a different sender , First of all I don't have an account or never signed up for a PayPal account , anyone else reciving the same ? I always Pay ebay wins with money order , I am asked to log on to PayPal and type in a new pass word , by not having a account I am thinking maybe some spyware is trying to collect my information , Any thoughts ? rex _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From driggars at earthlink.net Tue Jul 13 19:57:45 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:57:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal References: <001001c46923$afc7df60$5686a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <019001c4694e$5753ece0$9a1be204@clinton> rex If is a spoof, forward them to spoof at paypal.com if you receive any that says tfrom ebay asking for info, then forward it to spoof at ebay.com ebay or paypal will respond to you to let you know if they are fake or not Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 4:52 PM Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal > Hi All; > > I have recived three emails from people claiming to be Reps from PayPal > in two days claiming someone is trying to log on to my PayPal account , Each > email is from a different sender , First of all I don't have an account or > never signed up for a PayPal account , anyone else reciving the same ? I > always Pay ebay wins with money order , I am asked to log on to PayPal and > type in a new pass word , by not having a account I am thinking maybe some > spyware is trying to collect my information , Any thoughts ? > > rex > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Tue Jul 13 20:18:53 2004 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:18:53 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal Message-ID: <59.1073dbdf.2e26001d@aol.com> In a message dated 7/13/2004 6:45:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rexhinz at chorus.net writes: > three emails from people claiming to be Reps from PayPal > in two days claiming someone is trying to log on to my PayPal account , Each > email is from a different sender Same here Rex, I've received two of those...and I DO have paypal. I just deleted them! Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV Members of W.A.P.A, (Western Antique Power Associates) The older the violin....the sweeter the music! From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Jul 13 20:25:33 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:25:33 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal Message-ID: <1e6.24f60bd2.2e2601ad@aol.com> In a message dated 7/13/2004 6:45:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rexhinz at chorus.net writes: Any thoughts ? Yes, I had the same thing happen to me several days ago. As I have an account with them, I immediately forwarded the email to PayPal (webform at paypal.com) asking if the email was legit. They informed me that it was a hoax and that they would take action. To date, I haven't received any other PayPal requesting information emails. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net Tue Jul 13 21:16:17 2004 From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:16:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal References: <001001c46923$afc7df60$5686a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <40F4B391.2040705@zoominternet.net> Rex, Those are probably scam emails. If paypal wants to contact you, they will send you an email advising you to log on to your account. There will be no "clickable" links. Ed Rex Hinz wrote: >Hi All; > > I have recived three emails from people claiming to be Reps from PayPal >in two days claiming someone is trying to log on to my PayPal account , Each >email is from a different sender , First of all I don't have an account or >never signed up for a PayPal account , anyone else reciving the same ? I >always Pay ebay wins with money order , I am asked to log on to PayPal and >type in a new pass word , by not having a account I am thinking maybe some >spyware is trying to collect my information , Any thoughts ? > >rex > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Jul 13 21:21:29 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:21:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson info. In-Reply-To: <20040713.165052.276.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <200407140421.i6E4LNZn028739@heavyiron.atis.net> Try: http://www.oldengine.org/members/lozzi/Index.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message-----. Hi all. Is there any serial number lists on the web for Fuller & Johnson, or is Vern Kindschi still the only source? Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Jul 13 21:31:21 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:31:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200407140431.i6E4VPd5030560@heavyiron.atis.net> > I know some of you build your own checkvalves. > Does anyone have a diagram or schematic (with possible list > of material) for > small check valves for small engines? Hi Francis, I've made them from tubing fittings (see attachment). Find a ball that is larger than the ID of the tubing, and that won't fall through the fitting. You can hand lap the tapered inside of the fitting, but most already have a nice enough finish. Put the ball in the fitting and blow down on it. See if it seals or needs more lapping. Don't inhale the ball. Next, without the ball in place, assemble the compression fitting with the tubing, you don't want the tubing to bottom into the fitting. Take it apart, stick the ball in, and carefully reassemble. If the tubing bottoms out on the ball, take it apart and shorten the tubing protruding from the ferrule. Keep reassembling until the ball will rattle. Now take it apart again. Notice that if the ball is pushed UP against the tubing in direction of fuel flow, it will seal againt the tubing, preventing flow. You need to notch the end of the tubing with a triangular file. Put about four substantial notches into the end of the tubing. You can balance the ball on the end of the tubing and blow down. Make sure you get some air flow. Again, you run the risk of swallowing the ball, which is why you should have bought two in the first place. Brass fittings are nice, brass balls are nice, stainless balls are nicer, steel balls will rust. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Jul 13 21:52:43 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:52:43 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson info. References: <20040713.165052.276.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <001b01c4695e$664ed060$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Ron, try Nick Lozzi the F&J collector. http://www.oldengine.org/members/lozzi/Index.htm John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Hi all. > Is there any serial number lists on the web for Fuller & Johnson, or is > Vern Kindschi still the only source? > Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA From gibsongus at myway.com Tue Jul 13 22:28:26 2004 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 01:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson info. Message-ID: <20040714052826.9D2B4399A@mprdmxin.myway.com> RON I have 3 books on fuller johnson engines 2 on pumpjack engines 1 book on N engines I send verne a pic. of my pumpjack engine and he said it was a1913 I also have some other litature.-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Tue 07/13, < rdhaskell at juno.com > wrote: From: [mailto: rdhaskell at juno.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:50:51 -0700Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson info.Hi all.Is there any serial number lists on the web for Fuller & Johnson, or isVern Kindschi still the only source?Thanks.Ron Haskellrdhaskell at juno.comRiverside, CaliforniaUSA_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From diesel at easynet.co.uk Tue Jul 13 23:58:28 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:58:28 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal In-Reply-To: <001001c46923$afc7df60$5686a5d8@rex> References: <001001c46923$afc7df60$5686a5d8@rex> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:52:20 -0500, you wrote: >Hi All; > > I have recived three emails from people claiming to be Reps from PayPal >in two days claiming someone is trying to log on to my PayPal account , Each >email is from a different sender , First of all I don't have an account or >never signed up for a PayPal account , anyone else reciving the same ? I >always Pay ebay wins with money order , I am asked to log on to PayPal and >type in a new pass word , by not having a account I am thinking maybe some >spyware is trying to collect my information , Any thoughts ? > >rex Always forward any emails like that to: spoof at paypal.com Same with ebay: spoof at ebay.com If possible, forward 'verbatim' which means that the email is sent exactly as you received it with all headers and sender's information intact. In all cases we have always received a confirmation of receipt email by return, and a response within 24hours stating that the email was a fraud. There's a lot of fraud out there, you have to be vigilant. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jul 14 01:56:08 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:56:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal References: <001001c46923$afc7df60$5686a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <003f01c46980$7de35f80$e40d1bd3@athlon> Just another scammer trying to get into your back pocket mate!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 7:52 AM Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal > Hi All; > > I have recived three emails from people claiming to be Reps from PayPal > in two days claiming someone is trying to log on to my PayPal account , Each > email is from a different sender , First of all I don't have an account or > never signed up for a PayPal account , anyone else reciving the same ? I > always Pay ebay wins with money order , I am asked to log on to PayPal and > type in a new pass word , by not having a account I am thinking maybe some > spyware is trying to collect my information , Any thoughts ? > > rex > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at keyconn.net Wed Jul 14 08:04:38 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:04:38 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal In-Reply-To: <001001c46923$afc7df60$5686a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20040714070219.02083948@mail.keyconn.net> Yes i have received some of the same it is a scam. send it to spoof at paypal.com R fink PA At 04:52 PM 7/13/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hi All; > > I have recived three emails from people claiming to be Reps from PayPal >in two days claiming someone is trying to log on to my PayPal account , Each >email is from a different sender , First of all I don't have an account or >never signed up for a PayPal account , anyone else reciving the same ? I >always Pay ebay wins with money order , I am asked to log on to PayPal and >type in a new pass word , by not having a account I am thinking maybe some >spyware is trying to collect my information , Any thoughts ? > >rex > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 04:10:36 2004 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 04:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson info. In-Reply-To: <20040713.165052.276.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <20040714111036.64168.qmail@web52605.mail.yahoo.com> Most complete one out there is on my website, click the link in my sig. Be aware the list is a rough guide only and the engine might have been shipped earlier or later than the s/n range indicates. rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: Hi all. Is there any serial number lists on the web for Fuller & Johnson, or is Vern Kindschi still the only source? Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Cheers! NICK Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web! "He who sees the other first already has half the victory." Erich Hartmann "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt" Hans Rudel --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jul 14 04:14:43 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:14:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <200407141114.i6EBEbJr001575@heavyiron.atis.net> 2114 Wednesday Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Wed Jul 14 05:47:01 2004 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Michael Christie) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:47:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] monitor date Message-ID: <00d801c469a0$ad6afbd0$70a557ca@andrewiowlw0rj> G'day All Could anybody possibly date a monitor engine sn23137? Cheers Mick ------------------------------------------------------ InterNet Australis http://www.australis.com.au/ From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Jul 14 07:21:48 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:21:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson info. Message-ID: <20040714.104055.820.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Ron, Here are a couple sites I have in my phone book - Not sure what's there. http://people.ne.mediaone.net/dora9/index.html http://www.oldengine.org/members/lozzi/Index.htm Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Jul 14 07:22:52 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:22:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal Message-ID: <20040714.104055.820.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rex Usually - I just ignore them and press "delete". Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd desease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 14 09:51:37 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:51:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT totally - wanted....... In-Reply-To: <20040714111036.64168.qmail@web52605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004a01c469c2$d60e74a0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> 1968 - 1974 AMC Javelin or AMX, or Javelin AMX (Javelin with AMX options) Prefer 1970 (the year they improved the front suspension) or later V8 manual trans, no rust, drivable, decent interior & seats. Will definitely consider 68 or 69 as well. Doesn't have to be perfect, I don't mind fixen' up, but needs solid glass and sheet metal. Bill From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Jul 14 13:30:07 2004 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:30:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] monitor date References: <00d801c469a0$ad6afbd0$70a557ca@andrewiowlw0rj> Message-ID: <002f01c469e1$5bb71620$24b74004@dslverizon.net> Hi Mick, According to Wendel's Notebook engine 23000 was made April 20, 1920, engine 24000 was made Sept. 7, 1920. Your number is between these numbers, probably pretty close to early May, 1920. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA, U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Christie" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 5:47 AM Subject: [SEL] monitor date > G'day All > Could anybody possibly date a monitor engine sn23137? > Cheers > Mick > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > InterNet Australis > http://www.australis.com.au/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jul 14 13:55:47 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:55:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] monitor date In-Reply-To: <00d801c469a0$ad6afbd0$70a557ca@andrewiowlw0rj> Message-ID: <200407142056.i6EKu0hA005776@heavyiron.atis.net> 1920 Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- G'day All Could anybody possibly date a monitor engine sn23137? Cheers Mick From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Wed Jul 14 14:45:15 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:45:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Orchid ProDesigner II Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7019C6068@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>>>Just to give a quick example of that, we have one machine we run DOS CAD programmes on, and that uses a 1991 Orchid ProDesigner II graphics card with 1meg of memory only. That runs perfectly well in Windows with no problems at all, while some of the newer cards have all sorts of speed and memory hassles. >>>Just a few thoughts from the UK. >>>Peter That was a GREAT card - not just for its time, but still. I had a 2 meg version, and it would do anything - never before nor since saw such great color control. Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. 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From rexhinz at chorus.net Wed Jul 14 15:27:03 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:27:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal References: <20040714.104055.820.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <005301c469f1$b0f99d00$6686a5d8@rex> Hey group ; Thanks for all the replies , I just recived an email from PayPal claiming its a hoax , I also downloaded a spyware remover and found 62 spys in my computer regeristry , I manualy typed in regedit and removed all 62 , it took about an hour , I use Norton and it keeps out the virus's but does nothing for spyware , again thank you all , Rex Hinz Ps. I did not give the scammers any of my info, I'm sometimes a little dumb but I stay away from stupid ;-) > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Jul 14 16:19:16 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:19:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal In-Reply-To: <001001c46923$afc7df60$5686a5d8@rex> References: <001001c46923$afc7df60$5686a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <3A06643E-D5EC-11D8-8DC0-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> These things are spoofed and are just set up to get you to reveal your account number, password, etc. so they can clean you out. I got a bunch of them today claiming to be from various businesses like Citibank and PayPal, an announcement that I've won $550,000 US from "The Canadian International Lottery" and must claim it by July 21, and several more copies of the good old African money laundering scam. John On Jul 13, 2004, at 5:52 PM, Rex Hinz wrote: > Hi All; > > I have recived three emails from people claiming to be Reps from > PayPal > in two days claiming someone is trying to log on to my PayPal account > , Each > email is from a different sender , First of all I don't have an > account or > never signed up for a PayPal account , anyone else reciving the same ? > I > always Pay ebay wins with money order , I am asked to log on to PayPal > and > type in a new pass word , by not having a account I am thinking maybe > some > spyware is trying to collect my information , Any thoughts ? > > rex > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Jul 14 19:07:28 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 02:07:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <071520040207.23505.4485@mchsi.com> Patrick, your coming in loud and clear. regards, Curt > 2114 Wednesday > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 14 19:44:58 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:44:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal In-Reply-To: <005301c469f1$b0f99d00$6686a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <003a01c46a15$ba12d3b0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> >>I did not give the scammers any of my info, I'm sometimes a little dumb but I stay away from stupid ;-)<< Love it! That describes a lot of folks - I'd have to say myself included. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 5:27 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal Hey group ; Thanks for all the replies , I just recived an email from PayPal claiming its a hoax , I also downloaded a spyware remover and found 62 spys in my computer regeristry , I manualy typed in regedit and removed all 62 , it took about an hour , I use Norton and it keeps out the virus's but does nothing for spyware , again thank you all , Rex Hinz Ps. I did not give the scammers any of my info, I'm sometimes a little dumb but I stay away from stupid ;-) > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From driggars at earthlink.net Wed Jul 14 21:57:07 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:57:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal References: <20040714.104055.820.3.jlb94@juno.com> <005301c469f1$b0f99d00$6686a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <021b01c46a28$2edba840$9012e204@clinton> Rex what spyware program did you use? Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal > Hey group ; > > Thanks for all the replies , I just recived an email from PayPal claiming > its a hoax , I also downloaded a spyware remover and found 62 spys in my > computer regeristry , I manualy typed in regedit and removed all 62 , it > took about an hour , I use Norton and it keeps out the virus's but does > nothing for spyware , again thank you all , Rex Hinz > > Ps. > I did not give the scammers any of my info, I'm sometimes a little dumb but > I stay away from stupid ;-) > > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Jul 14 23:52:10 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 07:52:10 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Orchid ProDesigner II In-Reply-To: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7019C6068@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7019C6068@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:45:15 -0500, you wrote: >>>>>Just to give a quick example of that, we have one machine we run DOS >CAD programmes on, and that uses a 1991 Orchid ProDesigner II graphics >card with 1meg of memory only. That runs perfectly well in Windows with >no problems at all, while some of the newer cards have all sorts of >speed and memory hassles. > >>>>Just a few thoughts from the UK. > >>>>Peter > >That was a GREAT card - not just for its time, but still. I had a 2 meg >version, and it would do anything - never before nor since saw such >great color control. > >Bruce Younger >Lenexa, Kansas USA >mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com I'll have to see about upgrading the memory on ours, the sockets are on the board for the extra 1mb. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Jul 15 00:42:12 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:42:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <071520040207.23505.4485@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <200407150742.i6F7g42U003239@heavyiron.atis.net> I though my mail was not getting through at all but it seems that there is a slight delay. My reply to the F&J question took 24 hours to get through and my test message took about three hours! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Patrick, your coming in loud and clear. regards, Curt From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jul 15 01:49:29 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:49:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] tragedy Message-ID: <01a301c46a4c$f3c43f40$710d1bd3@athlon> Marg and I want to thank all our friends who responded to the sad events that have hit us and our family circle. It is having friends like you that makes life worthwhile. Thankyou all. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Jul 15 02:16:39 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:16:39 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Test References: <200407150742.i6F7g42U003239@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <000901c46a4c$6facc970$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Patrick, I have the same trouble lately. I think it is in the SEL cyber-box, cause my off list posts come through at once. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > I though my mail was not getting through at all but it seems that there is a > slight delay. My reply to the F&J question took 24 hours to get through and > my test message took about three hours! > > Patrick M Livingstone From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jul 15 03:33:03 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:33:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <200407150742.i6F7g42U003239@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <007701c46a57$1dda20b0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> I've seen similar delays, however, there should be a delay of only minutes, not hours! There is an issue with the system, it appears. I can send an email to 750 people in 3 minutes from the server my wife's stuff is on. Responses come back almost as soon as the server quits sending. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:42 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] Test I though my mail was not getting through at all but it seems that there is a slight delay. My reply to the F&J question took 24 hours to get through and my test message took about three hours! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Patrick, your coming in loud and clear. regards, Curt _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Jul 15 03:52:58 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:52:58 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Stover Model "C" Engines Message-ID: <071520041052.5257.1882@mchsi.com> I am looking for owners of Stover Model "C" Engines as I have one but need to help a friend restore his. His head is newer design and stover changed the fuel saver lever asy so we need to fabricate or modify one to get working. Any and all detailed pics would be grately appreciated. Thankyou in advance, Curt Andree From glenn.karch at gte.net Thu Jul 15 06:10:48 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:10:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ATIS Portland Dinner 2004 References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040423225817.01c2de70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <005e01c46a6d$2710abc0$0329ea41@oemcomputer> Dave, Count me in for one at the dinner. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: ; ; Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 1:09 AM Subject: [SEL] ATIS Portland Dinner 2004 > Hi All, > I'm once again taking care of coordinating the Annual ATIS Dinner during > the Portland Show this year. The dinner will be on Thursday August 26th, > 2004 at 6:00 PM at the Back 40 Junction in Decatur. Decatur is about 25 > miles North of Portland, and the Back 40 is on Rt. 27 (on the left as you > are driving North) at the North end of town. > I just talked to Ellen at the Back Forty and made our reservations! (In > the course of our conversation she indicated that the waitresses asked > [begged] to know if Arnie Ferro would be back this year. I told he that he > would be back--there was then cheering in the background! She also asked > (again) if that "older gentleman" from Australia would be at the dinner > this year. I asked her if she meant Reg and she said that she didn't know > his name but "It is the guy who gave all the waitresses what he called 'the > traditional Australian greeting'." When I asked her what on earth that was > she replied "A little pat on the rear end. He said it's a show of respect > in Australia." I told her that it MUST have been Reg and that I would > contact her as soon as I knew if he will be with us this year. Ellen also > said that the father of one of the waiterss' said that he would be real > glad to meet up with George Willer "if he ever shows his face in the area > again." Do any of you FATG's know anything about this? > As usual, the Summer ATIS Charity Auction will be conducted right after we > finish eating.We will rely once again on the "Karch method" that we used > the last years. Start thinking about what you will be donating for the > auction this year! If memory serves, we took in a little over $3,000.00 for > charity at the dinner last year! > If you know that you will be able to join us for the dinner, please contact > me off List (rotigel at alltel.net) and let me know how many will be in your > party. I hope to be able to give Ellen a fairly accurate count again this > year. (We were at just around 105 people last year!) No money is necessary > in order to make your "reservation," and if you find you can't make it > after you have let me know that you will be there, please let me know of > your change in plans. Thanks! > Dave > PS, Ellen promised me AIR CONDITIONING this year! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pmaples at anaxis.net Thu Jul 15 11:35:51 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:35:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Looking for John Billings Message-ID: <007d01c46a9a$90b315e0$d0f70cd1@VAIO> John I am looking for you to tell you how much I appreciate you making the part for me and sending it to me. It will require a slight modification to work but this is no big deal. I am grateful for what you have done. I do not have your e-mail address, it was lost during my last system recovery or I would be writing this off list. Please let me know what I owe you. Paul From kerogas at the-i.net Thu Jul 15 16:20:11 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:20:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters References: Message-ID: <007d01c46ac2$47ac7260$07905841@oemcomputer> You said filters ... Or did you mean check valves ? There are a dozen different tiny in lines you can dangle from a piece of vinyl tubing if it can hit the bottom of the tank . Think chainsaws , weedwhackers etc . http://www.smallenginebusiness.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_ Code=SEB&Category_Code=61-2 (7-02358) is one example bottom of the page I have soldered brass screen onto the end of the stand pipe most of " them " were like that I have -crammed- screen into the tubing as well , but that aint so cool . > Howdy List; > I know some of you build your own checkvalves. Are there any home made, > hidden fuel filters, that you learned about and were impressed with? What > I've got to work with is 1/4" npt elbows and ~ 3 feet of 1/4" pipe. The > sawrig uses a Lunk. From rexhinz at chorus.net Thu Jul 15 16:31:05 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:31:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal now spyware References: <20040714.104055.820.3.jlb94@juno.com><005301c469f1$b0f99d00$6686a5d8@rex> <021b01c46a28$2edba840$9012e204@clinton> Message-ID: <001a01c46ac3$ceb2ae40$1886a5d8@rex> > Rex > > what spyware program did you use? > > Clint > > > Hi Clint, I used spyhunter , Its a free download from cnet.com , Go to www.cnet.com and click downloads and search for spyware ,you can use the demo version free and it finds most of the bad stuff and lists it and shows the location and the big long numbers that you must delete from your registry ,or if you buy the program it will remove the spyware automaticly , you can do it manualy , but If your not up on regestry editing you must be very careful that you don't delete the wrong items as it could cause Very big computer woes :-( If you try it it would be interesting to hear how many you find , Rex Hinz From pmaples at anaxis.net Thu Jul 15 19:12:07 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:12:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Telephone Number Of AmeriHost Message-ID: <00f101c46ada$4f933a00$e9f70cd1@VAIO> Can someone send me the telephone number of the Amerihost Hotel in Decatur? Paul From dipaul at mcihispeed.net Thu Jul 15 19:29:15 2004 From: dipaul at mcihispeed.net (Dieter Paul) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:29:15 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [SEL] Looking for John Billings Message-ID: <26988310.1089944956373.JavaMail.root@wamui04.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Hi Paul The following is the address have for John, hope this helps "john billing" Regards Dieter -----Original Message----- From: Paul Maples Sent: Jul 15, 2004 11:35 AM To: Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Looking for John Billings John I am looking for you to tell you how much I appreciate you making the part for me and sending it to me. It will require a slight modification to work but this is no big deal. I am grateful for what you have done. I do not have your e-mail address, it was lost during my last system recovery or I would be writing this off list. Please let me know what I owe you. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From driggars at earthlink.net Thu Jul 15 20:05:28 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:05:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal now spyware References: <20040714.104055.820.3.jlb94@juno.com><005301c469f1$b0f99d00$6686a5d8@rex><021b01c46a28$2edba840$9012e204@clinton> <001a01c46ac3$ceb2ae40$1886a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <00cd01c46ae1$c06ef6e0$0215e204@clinton> Rex thanks, I will give it a try Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT mail from PayPal now spyware > > > > > Rex > > > > what spyware program did you use? > > > > Clint > > > > > > Hi Clint, > > I used spyhunter , Its a free download from cnet.com , Go to > www.cnet.com and click downloads and search for spyware ,you can use the > demo version free and it finds most of the bad stuff and lists it and shows > the location and the big long numbers that you must delete from your > registry ,or if you buy the program it will remove the spyware automaticly , > you can do it manualy , but If your not up on regestry editing you must be > very careful that you don't delete the wrong items as it could cause Very > big computer woes :-( If you try it it would be interesting to hear how > many you find , > > Rex Hinz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Thu Jul 15 20:35:13 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:35:13 EDT Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters Message-ID: <1dc.2653e66f.2e28a6f1@aol.com> In a message dated 7/14/2004 4:50:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rskinner at rustyiron.com writes: I've made them from tubing fittings (see attachment). Find a ball that is larger than the ID of the tubing, and that won't fall through the fitting. You can hand lap the tapered inside of the fitting, but most already have a nice enough finish. Put the ball in the fitting and blow down on it. See if it seals or needs more lapping. Don't inhale the ball. Next, without the ball in place, assemble the compression fitting with the tubing, you don't want the tubing to bottom into the fitting. Take it apart, stick the ball in, and carefully reassemble. If the tubing bottoms out on the ball, take it apart and shorten the tubing protruding from the ferrule. Keep reassembling until the ball will rattle. Now take it apart again. Notice that if the ball is pushed UP against the tubing in direction of fuel flow, it will seal againt the tubing, preventing flow. You need to notch the end of the tubing with a triangular file. Put about four substantial notches into the end of the tubing. You can balance the ball on the end of the tubing and blow down. Make sure you get some air flow. Again, you run the risk of swallowing the ball, which is why you should have bought two in the first place. Rob, With the above instructions, I was able to fabricate a nice check valve. I used a flare type connector with 1/8" NPT end. I cut off the 1/8" NPT part to the hex and shorten the flare side of the male connector. I soldered a piece of copper tubing to the inside of the mating nut. I also soldered a small piece of fine mess brass screen to bottom side of the male connector where the 1/8" NPT was. Again, thanks for the excellent directions. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From MaytagTwin at aol.com Thu Jul 15 21:54:59 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:54:59 EDT Subject: [SEL] Need Telephone Number Of AmeriHost Message-ID: <27.5d11197c.2e28b9a3@aol.com> In a message dated 7/16/2004 12:48:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pmaples at anaxis.net writes: > Can someone send me the telephone number of the Amerihost Hotel in Decatur? > > Paul Amerihost Inn & Suites-Decatur 1201 South 13th Street Decatur, IN ?46733 260-728-4600 Hi Paul, Here you are. I used Metacrawler.com to get it. Ron From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Jul 15 22:31:47 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:31:47 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Need Telephone Number Of AmeriHost References: <00f101c46ada$4f933a00$e9f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <000501c46af6$2ff59820$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Paul here you are. Amerihost Inn 1201 South 13th Street Decatur, IN 46733 Phone: (219) 728-4600 Take care, John H. > Can someone send me the telephone number of the Amerihost Hotel in Decatur? > > Paul From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Thu Jul 15 22:44:42 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:44:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: i have noticed this seems to happen quite often. when you dont get a reply from an email it does make you wonder if they are getting through. >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Test >Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:42:12 +1000 > >I though my mail was not getting through at all but it seems that there is >a >slight delay. My reply to the F&J question took 24 hours to get through and >my test message took about three hours! > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > >-----Original Message----- > >Patrick, >your coming in loud and clear. >regards, >Curt > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday and find love! http://mobilecentral.ninemsn.com.au/mclovehunt/lovehunt.aspx From bethell1 at iinet.net.au Fri Jul 16 03:39:24 2004 From: bethell1 at iinet.net.au (bethell) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:39:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] tangye dating Message-ID: <000d01c46b21$2bd52be0$d2eacecb@default> Hi all, I had a friend ring me today during his trip to central = Australia where he found a Tangye engine, open crank serial no 32832 in = pretty fair shape. Can anyone date these engines and give me an idea of = size? He also located a Inter famous at the same property in the scrap = heap. As the property has been sold we are keen to move them south to a = better home. regards Jim Bethell Mildura "Gateway to the outback" bethell1 at iinet.net..au http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Jul 16 05:41:26 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:41:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Radio Brock Message-ID: <200407161241.i6GCfFUp020286@heavyiron.atis.net> Wandering around the net I came across this: http://www.abc.net.au/canberra/stories/s1058743.htm Brock talking about engines, now that is unusual ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 05:59:05 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:59:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Telephone Number Of AmeriHost References: <27.5d11197c.2e28b9a3@aol.com> Message-ID: <003901c46b34$afcaa020$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Ron, I appreciate it. I made reservations months ago and had all of my confirmation information but lost all of it in the computer crash. I want to call them and make sure I still have a room. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Telephone Number Of AmeriHost In a message dated 7/16/2004 12:48:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pmaples at anaxis.net writes: > Can someone send me the telephone number of the Amerihost Hotel in Decatur? > > Paul Amerihost Inn & Suites-Decatur 1201 South 13th Street Decatur, IN 46733 260-728-4600 Hi Paul, Here you are. I used Metacrawler.com to get it. Ron _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 06:00:18 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:00:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Telephone Number Of AmeriHost References: <00f101c46ada$4f933a00$e9f70cd1@VAIO> <000501c46af6$2ff59820$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <003a01c46b34$da679770$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Thanks John. For some reason this telephone number is wrong but I used the one Maytag Twin sent me and it worked. Strange they would list two numbers for the same hotel. I appreciate the response. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Telephone Number Of AmeriHost > Hi Paul here you are. > > Amerihost Inn > 1201 South 13th Street > Decatur, IN 46733 > Phone: (219) 728-4600 > > Take care, > John H. > From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 06:02:27 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:02:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Looking for John Billings References: <26988310.1089944956373.JavaMail.root@wamui04.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <006f01c46b35$276f49a0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Dieter. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dieter Paul" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for John Billings > Hi Paul > > The following is the address have for John, hope this helps > > "john billing" > > Regards > Dieter > > > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 06:32:43 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:32:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! Message-ID: <008001c46b39$61f39dc0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Folks you all know that I have been trying for years to find the right Fuel Saver Arm for my 1905 Vertical Stover. I thought I had finally succeeded when my good friend John Billings wrote me that he had purchased a Stover and he thought it had the exact arm on it I needed. Not only did John give me this information but he immediately offered to take his arm off and have one cast for me and send it to me. John took the part off of his Stover, had one cast for me, and then machined it and sent it to me.......what a friend...... I got the parts in last Friday and excitedly ran out to the shop to install them. It became apparent immediately that this was not the right arm. I am enclosing pictures of my Stover Head without the rocker arm and fuel saver arm installed and then I show the head with the rocker arm and the new fuel saver arm that John made for me. The pictures will affirm the following: The bevel grind that John put on the arm (which was correct for his engine) is on the wrong side for my setup. Although this is wrong this would be an easy fix if this was all that was wrong. Also you will not that the arm will have to have a right hand bend in it to properly work as now it is as close as it can get the to contact plate on the valve. I know that cast iron cannot be bent but I now have the basic design of the arm and by having this part I can calculate the amount of bend I would need in a correct arm. I have confirmed, by looking at the wear pattern on the rocker arm finger that the fuel saver arm did set on the head at this exact angle thus also confirming that the arm did originally have a bend in it in order to reach the valve contact plate. Here are pictures of my head and parts: http://community.webshots.com/photo/163076625/163077139KGQWJV I am searching for several things at this point. It is obvious to me that Stover installed many different fuel saver arms on his engines as there are many configurations out in the engine world. I would love to find someone who has my exact setup as this would make it easier for me to redesign the parts I have and make them work. I also need an understanding of just how this fuel saver arm works and should be set up. I not only want to get my engine setup but, after all of the problems I have encountered, I want to put together a small booklet on Stover Fuel Saver Arms and make this available to the engine public (free - only cost postage to mail to you). I would appreciate all of the pictures I could get of Stover Fuel Saver Arms advising me of the following: Year and Model of Engine the Fuel Saver Arm is On. Model Number and Serial Number of Engine Horse of Engine Your Name (if you want to give it) I will compile this information into a colored brochure, or booklet, and make it available to anyone who would want one. Thanks and I am looking forward to hearing from all of you Stover Owners who have engines with Fuel Saver Arms on them. Thanks, Paul From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Jul 16 06:40:48 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 23:40:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Stover Model "C" Engines In-Reply-To: <071520041052.5257.1882@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <200407161341.i6GDeoft024472@heavyiron.atis.net> Hi Curt, Would the later Type C Stover have the same fuel saver (or similar) as the YB and YC engines? Or possibly the horizontal engines? I could help with pics of these. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- I am looking for owners of Stover Model "C" Engines as I have one but need to help a friend restore his. His head is newer design and stover changed the fuel saver lever asy so we need to fabricate or modify one to get working. Any and all detailed pics would be grately appreciated. Thankyou in advance, Curt Andree From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 07:35:45 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:35:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? Message-ID: <00ed01c46b42$306b52d0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Folks is there something wrong with the SEL, use to I would post something and it would pop right up, now it seems like it takes forever, may just be my computer and this is why I am asking. Thanks From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jul 16 10:09:12 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:09:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! References: <008001c46b39$61f39dc0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <40F80BB8.7080709@imc-group.com> Paul, Interesting economizer! I'm taking a guess that it works buy swinging, with light spring pressure, under the washer of the intake valve to keep the intake valve closed when the exhaust valve is latched open, correct? And then when the exhaust valve is allowed to close, the economizer is pushed out from under the washer allowing the intake valve to be sucked open, correct? Rather than risking heating and bending your new casting, would making a slightly larger washer solve the problem? How about one with a bevel/chamfer on the bottom side to help the economizer arm swing under it. Then you would not have to grind much on the cast arm. Thanks for the photos. It's been way too quiet on the SEL lately. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Paul Maples wrote: >Paul > > >_______________________________________________ > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jul 16 10:03:18 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover Fuel Saver Arm In-Reply-To: <008001c46b39$61f39dc0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> References: <008001c46b39$61f39dc0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: Hi Paul, I can't really tell from your pictures and description exactly what the problem is here. When I think of a "fuel saver" I think of a mechanical gadget that firmly holds the intake valve closed while the exhaust valve is being held open by the govenor latch arm. The engine is free-wheeling with no compression. The "fuel savings" results from preventing the intake valve from opening under a slight pressure differential that might occur on the intake stroke with the exhaust valve open. Are we on the same page so far? On your Stover should the fuel saver arm do its thing by going under the washer that's above the intake valve spring? What would move the arm toward the valve stem; is there a spring we don't see in your pictures? Or is there some other mechanical actuation? If there's a spring, what counters the spring force? Is there a tapered "finger" on the exhaust valve rocker that would allow the arm to move toward the valve (under spring tension) when the exhaust valve was open and would push the arm back away from the intake valve when the exhaust valve was closed? Or some other mechanical action entirely? If your concern is that the arm isn't under the washer, maybe your washer is just too small or is the wrong shape? Any elaboration that you (or others) can provide on this Stover setup would be appreciated. And, as always, some pictures of a complete setup in operation would be worth several thousand email words. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Paul Maples wrote: > Folks you all know that I have been trying for years to find the right Fuel > Saver Arm for my 1905 Vertical Stover. > > Also you will not that the arm will have to have a right hand bend in it to > properly work as now it is as close as it can get the to contact plate on > the valve. I know that cast iron cannot be bent but I now have the basic > design of the arm and by having this part I can calculate the amount of bend > I would need in a correct arm. I have confirmed, by looking at the wear > pattern on the rocker arm finger that the fuel saver arm did set on the head > at this exact angle thus also confirming that the arm did originally have a > bend in it in order to reach the valve contact plate. Here are pictures of > my head and parts: > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/163076625/163077139KGQWJV From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jul 16 10:26:12 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:26:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? References: <00ed01c46b42$306b52d0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <40F80FB4.7080909@imc-group.com> Paul, It takes hours for my posts to post sometimes. The owner of the ISP we use (Carolina Internet), used to be an employee here so I know him well. I have discussed this at length with him and in the past have sent him copies of emails I have posted to the SEL that had huge delays. He took the time to research where the delays were occurring and sent me detailed reports of the routing. His company, Carolina Internet, is not the bottleneck in my delayed posts. His data showed the delay was with the host of the SEL. Since this is a free service to us all it would be inappropriate to even utter a hint of complaint about it, so that ended my pursuit of the issue. I am content to deal with the mild inconvenience this causes. What made me suspect this was a Carolina Internet problem, was that I will see replies to one of my posts before I see my own post. But according to Morgan's data the delay is not in his portion of the route. I would dig thru my trash folder and post Morgan's data, but unfortunately just last week I deleted some 69,000 messages from my trash folder because it was making my browser slow. I guess I could ask him to prepare another report if there is interest. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Post time 1:28 EST Paul Maples wrote: >Folks is there something wrong with the SEL, use to I would post something >and it would pop right up, now it seems like it takes forever, may just be >my computer and this is why I am asking. Thanks > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From BillMil357 at aol.com Fri Jul 16 10:47:03 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:47:03 EDT Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? Message-ID: <1ca.25f625b6.2e296e97@aol.com> Paul; I am going to send this message and see how long it takes to come back to me. Thanks, Bill. From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Jul 16 11:05:29 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:05:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? In-Reply-To: <00ed01c46b42$306b52d0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <001401c46b5f$7b54b2b0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> No, I've noticed it can take hours, even into the next day. One time it never showed up. It's definitely SLOOOOOWer than it ever was. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 9:36 AM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? Folks is there something wrong with the SEL, use to I would post something and it would pop right up, now it seems like it takes forever, may just be my computer and this is why I am asking. Thanks _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 11:40:49 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:40:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old Homelite Generator - Need Info Message-ID: <017a01c46b64$7092d870$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Hey Gang Keith Kinney and I recently did some swapping and I ended up with an old Homelite Generator and I was wondering if anyone else has one or knows where I can find any information on the unit: Here are some pictures of it: http://community.webshots.com/photo/163279382/163280014bCnIDK The nametag data is as follows: HOMELITE Model 8HY -1A DC Volts 115 21.7 Amps PH 3 AC Volts 230 7.5 Amps CYC 180 Serial Number 1642470 Any info will be appreciated. Paul From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 12:44:40 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:44:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Weekly Plea for Transportation Help Message-ID: <01ab01c46b6d$58306370$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Ok Gang once again I am submitting my weekly plea for transportation help to get my fodder chopper hauled from George Woodzell's house in Schenectady, NY to Ivan Cousins place in Clarion, Pa or to Portland. Ivan has graciously consented to haul it from his place in Clarion, Pa to Portland if someone can get it to him there. As I have said in previous posts George hauled the chopper from Massachusetts to his home in Schenectady in the back of his Volvo station wagon so it is not a big piece of equipment. If anyone can help me please contact me via e-mail or via phone at 501-230-8229. Thanks, Paul From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Fri Jul 16 13:04:21 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:04:21 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! References: <008001c46b39$61f39dc0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <002c01c46b70$1a0682c0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Paul , I have an early 3 HP Stover YB, with the original fuel saver on. I can take pictures for you to see if this is what you need. If it is exactly the same, I could have one cast for you. I doubt if they are the same though as your engine is about 11000 earlier than my YB. Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 3:32 PM Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! > Folks you all know that I have been trying for years to find the right Fuel > Saver Arm for my 1905 Vertical Stover. I thought I had finally succeeded > when my good friend John Billings wrote me that he had purchased a Stover > and he thought it had the exact arm on it I needed. Not only did John give > me this information but he immediately offered to take his arm off and have > one cast for me and send it to me. John took the part off of his Stover, had > one cast for me, and then machined it and sent it to me.......what a > friend...... > > I got the parts in last Friday and excitedly ran out to the shop to install > them. It became apparent immediately that this was not the right arm. I am > enclosing pictures of my Stover Head without the rocker arm and fuel saver > arm installed and then I show the head with the rocker arm and the new fuel > saver arm that John made for me. The pictures will affirm the following: > > The bevel grind that John put on the arm (which was correct for his engine) > is on the wrong side for my setup. Although this is wrong this would be an > easy fix if this was all that was wrong. > > Also you will not that the arm will have to have a right hand bend in it to > properly work as now it is as close as it can get the to contact plate on > the valve. I know that cast iron cannot be bent but I now have the basic > design of the arm and by having this part I can calculate the amount of bend > I would need in a correct arm. I have confirmed, by looking at the wear > pattern on the rocker arm finger that the fuel saver arm did set on the head > at this exact angle thus also confirming that the arm did originally have a > bend in it in order to reach the valve contact plate. Here are pictures of > my head and parts: > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/163076625/163077139KGQWJV > > I am searching for several things at this point. It is obvious to me that > Stover installed many different fuel saver arms on his engines as there are > many configurations out in the engine world. I would love to find someone > who has my exact setup as this would make it easier for me to redesign the > parts I have and make them work. I also need an understanding of just how > this fuel saver arm works and should be set up. > > I not only want to get my engine setup but, after all of the problems I have > encountered, I want to put together a small booklet on Stover Fuel Saver > Arms and make this available to the engine public (free - only cost postage > to mail to you). I would appreciate all of the pictures I could get of > Stover Fuel Saver Arms advising me of the following: > > Year and Model of Engine the Fuel Saver Arm is On. > Model Number and Serial Number of Engine > Horse of Engine > Your Name (if you want to give it) > > I will compile this information into a colored brochure, or booklet, and > make it available to anyone who would want one. > > Thanks and I am looking forward to hearing from all of you Stover Owners who > have engines with Fuel Saver Arms on them. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 16 17:42:09 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! In-Reply-To: <008001c46b39$61f39dc0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <20040717004209.89801.qmail@web20228.mail.yahoo.com> I fail to understand what the problem is with the set up that you have pictured. The fuel saver arm should only be doing its job when the exhaust valve is being held open. In the photos it looks like it fits good, the intake valve is free to open. If the exhaust valve were held open, the little finger on the bottom of the rocker arm would move out of the way so that the torsion spring that belongs on the fuel saver could swing the fuel saver over under the washer on the intake valve and keep the intake valve from being sucked open by the air rushing in and out of the cylinder while the engine is on the miss strokes. The fuel saver arm comes into play only when the exhaust rocker arm is holding the exhaust valve open. In the photos, it does not look like the rocker arm is holding the exhaust valve open, so the fuel saver should not be in position under the washer on the intake valve. It looks to me like what you have pictured is very close to being a working assembly, with little more than a little handiwork with a file needed to make it all fit together nicely. Perhaps I am not looking at this right, but it looks pretty good to me. Joe ===== Joe Prindle Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: www.tznet.com/jprindle Our Club: www.badgersteamandgas.com See Yoo in Baraboo! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 17:42:49 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:42:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover Fuel Saver Arm References: <008001c46b39$61f39dc0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <000c01c46b96$fe89b2c0$d0f70cd1@VAIO> Curt, Arnie, hang on just for a minute as I took some more pictures. I am processing them right now and will have them posted in just a few minutes. Maybe it will answer some of your questions. As far as knowing how it works, heck I don't know and this is why I am asking. The pictures will be forthcoming shortly. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 12:03 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover Fuel Saver Arm > Hi Paul, > > I can't really tell from your pictures and description exactly what the > problem is here. > > When I think of a "fuel saver" I think of a mechanical gadget that firmly > holds the intake valve closed while the exhaust valve is being held open > by the govenor latch arm. The engine is free-wheeling with no > compression. The "fuel savings" results from preventing the intake valve > from opening under a slight pressure differential that might occur on the > intake stroke with the exhaust valve open. > > Are we on the same page so far? > > On your Stover should the fuel saver arm do its thing by going under the > washer that's above the intake valve spring? What would move the arm > toward the valve stem; is there a spring we don't see in your pictures? > Or is there some other mechanical actuation? > > If there's a spring, what counters the spring force? Is there a tapered > "finger" on the exhaust valve rocker that would allow the arm to move > toward the valve (under spring tension) when the exhaust valve was open > and would push the arm back away from the intake valve when the exhaust > valve was closed? Or some other mechanical action entirely? > > If your concern is that the arm isn't under the washer, maybe your washer > is just too small or is the wrong shape? > > Any elaboration that you (or others) can provide on this Stover setup > would be appreciated. And, as always, some pictures of a complete setup > in operation would be worth several thousand email words. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Paul Maples wrote: > > > Folks you all know that I have been trying for years to find the right Fuel > > Saver Arm for my 1905 Vertical Stover. > > > > Also you will not that the arm will have to have a right hand bend in it to > > properly work as now it is as close as it can get the to contact plate on > > the valve. I know that cast iron cannot be bent but I now have the basic > > design of the arm and by having this part I can calculate the amount of bend > > I would need in a correct arm. I have confirmed, by looking at the wear > > pattern on the rocker arm finger that the fuel saver arm did set on the head > > at this exact angle thus also confirming that the arm did originally have a > > bend in it in order to reach the valve contact plate. Here are pictures of > > my head and parts: > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/163076625/163077139KGQWJV > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 18:11:17 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:11:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover Fuel Saver Arm- New Pictures References: <008001c46b39$61f39dc0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <001001c46b9a$f8b23260$d0f70cd1@VAIO> Ok Arnie, Curt, and anyone else interested I have added seven more pictures to the StoverHead Album. Start with Stover Head 7 to start with the new pictures. http://community.webshots.com/photo/163076625/163948835fAFRfY Let me know what you think. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 12:03 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover Fuel Saver Arm > Hi Paul, > > I can't really tell from your pictures and description exactly what the > problem is here. > > When I think of a "fuel saver" I think of a mechanical gadget that firmly > holds the intake valve closed while the exhaust valve is being held open > by the govenor latch arm. The engine is free-wheeling with no > compression. The "fuel savings" results from preventing the intake valve > from opening under a slight pressure differential that might occur on the > intake stroke with the exhaust valve open. > From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 18:13:28 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:13:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? References: <00ed01c46b42$306b52d0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> <40F80FB4.7080909@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002c01c46b9b$478778a0$d0f70cd1@VAIO> I was afraid of this Curt. I just posted some new pictures of the Stover Head Fuel Saver arm and it will probably be tomorrow before anyone will see them. Thanks for the update. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? > Paul, > It takes hours for my posts to post sometimes. The owner of the ISP we > use (Carolina Internet), used to be an employee here so I know him well. > I have discussed this at length with him and in the past have sent him > copies of emails I have posted to the SEL that had huge delays. He took > the time to research where the delays were occurring and sent me > detailed reports of the routing. His company, Carolina Internet, is not > the bottleneck in my delayed posts. His data showed the delay was with > the host of the SEL. Since this is a free service to us all it would be > inappropriate to even utter a hint of complaint about it, so that ended > my pursuit of the issue. I am content to deal with the mild > inconvenience this causes. > What made me suspect this was a Carolina Internet problem, was that I > will see replies to one of my posts before I see my own post. But > according to Morgan's data the delay is not in his portion of the route. > I would dig thru my trash folder and post Morgan's data, but > unfortunately just last week I deleted some 69,000 messages from my > trash folder because it was making my browser slow. I guess I could ask > him to prepare another report if there is interest. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > Post time 1:28 EST > > Paul Maples wrote: > > >Folks is there something wrong with the SEL, use to I would post something > >and it would pop right up, now it seems like it takes forever, may just be > >my computer and this is why I am asking. Thanks > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 18:18:46 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:18:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? References: <00ed01c46b42$306b52d0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> <40F80FB4.7080909@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004801c46b9c$04bc8370$d0f70cd1@VAIO> Curt this is exactly what happens to me, I see replies to my posts before I ever see my original posts. In fact today I spent some time checking my computer out to be sure that I had not inadvertently blocked messages from the SEL and I had not. I just wish it was faster as it really disrupts the continuity of the messages we are sending but as you say, it is free so beggars cannot be choosers...right? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? > Paul, > It takes hours for my posts to post sometimes. The owner of the ISP we > use (Carolina Internet), used to be an employee here so I know him well. > I have discussed this at length with him and in the past have sent him > copies of emails I have posted to the SEL that had huge delays. He took > the time to research where the delays were occurring and sent me > detailed reports of the routing. His company, Carolina Internet, is not > the bottleneck in my delayed posts. His data showed the delay was with > the host of the SEL. Since this is a free service to us all it would be > From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Jul 16 18:22:02 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:22:02 EDT Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/16/2004 6:19:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, BillMil357 at aol.com writes: I am going to send this message and see how long it takes to come back to me. Bill. Your message was received at 6:19 PDT. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 18:30:19 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:30:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? References: <001401c46b5f$7b54b2b0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <005301c46b9d$a1ab4490$d0f70cd1@VAIO> I agree Bill. I wonder if there is anything at all that Spencer can do about it or is this something that we will just learn to live with. It sure takes the fun out of responding to an ongoing thread. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:05 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? > No, I've noticed it can take hours, even into the next day. > One time it never showed up. > It's definitely SLOOOOOWer than it ever was. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 18:30:43 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:30:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? References: <1ca.25f625b6.2e296e97@aol.com> Message-ID: <005f01c46b9d$affe90b0$d0f70cd1@VAIO> Ok Bill, everyone is saying it is "turtle" slow right now. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? > Paul; > > I am going to send this message and see how long it takes to come back to me. > > Thanks, > > Bill. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From BillMil357 at aol.com Fri Jul 16 18:38:40 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:38:40 EDT Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? Message-ID: <1d3.26168ad3.2e29dd20@aol.com> Hi Paul; I finally got the message back that I sent you on the SEL this afternoon it took 6 or 7 hours. Thanks, Bill. From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 19:30:08 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:30:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! References: <008001c46b39$61f39dc0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> <002c01c46b70$1a0682c0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: <00c301c46ba5$fccee590$d0f70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Harry I would love to see your pictures, I am getting desperate. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Terpstra" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Stover Help! > Paul , > > I have an early 3 HP Stover YB, with the original fuel saver on. > I can take pictures for you to see if this is what you need. > If it is exactly the same, I could have one cast for you. > I doubt if they are the same though as your engine is about 11000 earlier > than my YB. > > > Harry Terpstra > Sint Anna Parochie > Netherlands > h.terpstra at wxs.nl > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: "Stationary Engine List" > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 3:32 PM > Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! > > > > Folks you all know that I have been trying for years to find the right > Fuel > > Saver Arm for my 1905 Vertical Stover. I thought I had finally succeeded > > when my good friend John Billings wrote me that he had purchased a Stover > > and he thought it had the exact arm on it I needed. Not only did John give > > me this information but he immediately offered to take his arm off and > have > > one cast for me and send it to me. John took the part off of his Stover, > had > > one cast for me, and then machined it and sent it to me.......what a > > friend...... > > > > I got the parts in last Friday and excitedly ran out to the shop to > install > > them. It became apparent immediately that this was not the right arm. I am > > enclosing pictures of my Stover Head without the rocker arm and fuel saver > > arm installed and then I show the head with the rocker arm and the new > fuel > > saver arm that John made for me. The pictures will affirm the following: > > > > The bevel grind that John put on the arm (which was correct for his > engine) > > is on the wrong side for my setup. Although this is wrong this would be an > > easy fix if this was all that was wrong. > > > > Also you will not that the arm will have to have a right hand bend in it > to > > properly work as now it is as close as it can get the to contact plate on > > the valve. I know that cast iron cannot be bent but I now have the basic > > design of the arm and by having this part I can calculate the amount of > bend > > I would need in a correct arm. I have confirmed, by looking at the wear > > pattern on the rocker arm finger that the fuel saver arm did set on the > head > > at this exact angle thus also confirming that the arm did originally have > a > > bend in it in order to reach the valve contact plate. Here are pictures of > > my head and parts: > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/163076625/163077139KGQWJV > > > > I am searching for several things at this point. It is obvious to me that > > Stover installed many different fuel saver arms on his engines as there > are > > many configurations out in the engine world. I would love to find someone > > who has my exact setup as this would make it easier for me to redesign the > > parts I have and make them work. I also need an understanding of just how > > this fuel saver arm works and should be set up. > > > > I not only want to get my engine setup but, after all of the problems I > have > > encountered, I want to put together a small booklet on Stover Fuel Saver > > Arms and make this available to the engine public (free - only cost > postage > > to mail to you). I would appreciate all of the pictures I could get of > > Stover Fuel Saver Arms advising me of the following: > > > > Year and Model of Engine the Fuel Saver Arm is On. > > Model Number and Serial Number of Engine > > Horse of Engine > > Your Name (if you want to give it) > > > > I will compile this information into a colored brochure, or booklet, and > > make it available to anyone who would want one. > > > > Thanks and I am looking forward to hearing from all of you Stover Owners > who > > have engines with Fuel Saver Arms on them. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Paul > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 16 19:56:15 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:56:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Message response time Message-ID: <00e201c46ba9$a2e92550$d0f70cd1@VAIO> Well folks it looks like it is taking anywhere from 6 to 7 hours for any SEL message to make it's flight through cyberspace to the List Members, gosh if it gets any slower we will have to go the dreaded land lines to communicate. I think someone needs to change the mag on the server engine, might run faster...what do you think, maybe a new fuel pump to. Paul From Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com Fri Jul 16 20:20:51 2004 From: Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com (Stojanov) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 23:20:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Another engine- Arco Spray rig References: <1ca.25f625b6.2e296e97@aol.com> Message-ID: <006001c46bad$10960d40$666c4342@yourtwa0macjqu> Dear List, I bought an Arco engine and rig last Friday, and managed to bring it home today. It was only a mile from my home, go figure! Anyways, it has a Hercules 11/2hp GH with WICO EK, brass Lunkenheimer mixer, hopper lid, and tin crank guard. The Hardie pump is still with the rig, I don't know if the wand and fittings are original or not (they look too new, not brass, aluminum), and they have rigged a wooden barrel as the tank. I would like to find a more suitable tank for this rig, it would be a smaller model I beleive, as it only appears that it had 1 axel, the one on their now. It has a hitch on it, it looks fairly original. So, my main goal as of now is to find a spray tank, and wand, if possible. The engine and pump need work. They are both stuck, the bearings are loose on the engine, but there are shims left in them. It should get a new rocker arm, and a muffler to be original. The oiler is not original, but not a big deal. I am going to work on it for these next few weeks until she is running, I would like to take this engine to the NYSEA show (Pageant of Steam). If I happen to run across a sprayer tank, I will open it and place a plastic drum in it, so the tank is a dummy. I think it will turn out to be a nice project. I will let you all know how it turns out. Unfortunately, I cannot post a picture right now, as I broke my digital camera on the 1st outing for this engine! See ya. Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Jul 17 01:15:29 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 09:15:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? In-Reply-To: <1d3.26168ad3.2e29dd20@aol.com> References: <1d3.26168ad3.2e29dd20@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:38:40 EDT, you wrote: >Hi Paul; > >I finally got the message back that I sent you on the SEL this afternoon it >took 6 or 7 hours. > >Thanks, > >Bill. That seems to be a server problem, either through telco access being restricted or by bandwith restrictions? Oldengine was running at less than a minute turnround time recently, but that has also had its problems over the years. Now that Spencer has had to take the system out from his business that he sold, he probably does not have the resources to give the higher speeds, so perhaps we should be asking him if we can help in any (collective) way ? Certainly we should all be prepared to offer our help to the guy after all he has done for the engine movement over the years. If it is a question of new hardware or something like that, we could start a collection right now. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Jul 17 01:50:00 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:50:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! In-Reply-To: <002c01c46b70$1a0682c0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: <200407170850.i6H8o1LO021789@heavyiron.atis.net> I took some more pictures today to more clearly show the fuel savers on Stovers. I have added these to the pictures that were already on my Stover pages. This photo shows the head of Ron's YB with everything in place (ignore the lifting lugs on the head bolts): http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/0902yb7.jpg This is a rather naked view of the head of my YB: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/0902yb8.jpg Here are two views of the fuel saver on Ron's YB with the rocker removed: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/04071701.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/04071702.JPG I am not 100% sure of the workings of the fuel saver but if you consider that the exhaust valve is already held open so there is not a huge amount of vacuum left to suck open the intake valve. All the fuel saver needs to do is to add a little tension to the intake valve spring and the valve will not open. A slightly different style of Stover fuel saver can be seen on my DX (6hp) horizontal. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/04071703.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/04071704.JPG The YB and YC fuel savers are identical and the YA engines were not fitted with fuel savers. The horizontal and vertical engine fuel savers seem to be identical in operating principle but are just pivoted differently due to the different layout of the rocker and valves. My YC does not have a fuel saver as it is a throttle governed engine so the exhaust valve is never latched out. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Jul 17 03:47:02 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 10:47:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Stover Model "C" Engines Message-ID: <071720041047.21121.187@mchsi.com> Hi Patrick, If I could trouble you for both that might help the friend. Just the head asy shots are critical showing rocker arm and valve asys up close if possible. thankyou, Curt > Hi Curt, > Would the later Type C Stover have the same fuel saver (or similar) > as the YB and YC engines? Or possibly the horizontal engines? I could help > with pics of these. > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > > > I am looking for owners of Stover Model "C" Engines as I have one but need > to > help a friend restore his. His head is newer design and stover changed the > fuel saver lever asy so we need to fabricate or modify one to get working. > Any and all detailed pics would be grately appreciated. > Thankyou in advance, > Curt Andree > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 05:01:07 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 07:01:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? References: <1d3.26168ad3.2e29dd20@aol.com> Message-ID: <00a901c46bf5$c2a131c0$def70cd1@VAIO> Peter I hear you and I could not agree more, if OLE Spencer needs something and we can get it for him I will be in line to donate to the cause. Excellent comment Peter. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? > On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:38:40 EDT, you wrote: > > >Hi Paul; > > > >I finally got the message back that I sent you on the SEL this afternoon it > >took 6 or 7 hours. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Bill. > > That seems to be a server problem, either through telco access being restricted > or by bandwith restrictions? > > Oldengine was running at less than a minute turnround time recently, but that > has also had its problems over the years. > > Now that Spencer has had to take the system out from his business that he sold, > he probably does not have the resources to give the higher speeds, so perhaps we > should be asking him if we can help in any (collective) way ? > > Certainly we should all be prepared to offer our help to the guy after all he > has done for the engine movement over the years. If it is a question of new > hardware or something like that, we could start a collection right now. > > Peter > > -- > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Jul 17 05:21:53 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:21:53 +0100 Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? In-Reply-To: References: <1d3.26168ad3.2e29dd20@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 09:15:29 +0100, you wrote: My response took 4 hours almost exactly to appear in my inbox. This is posted at 13.21 UK BST. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 05:26:55 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 07:26:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! References: <20040717004209.89801.qmail@web20228.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00bc01c46bf9$5b4eb4d0$def70cd1@VAIO> Good Morning Joe, Joe I think you may just be right about your analysis of the setup. I have never had a fuel saver arm since I acquired this engine. But thanks to my good friend John Billings I now have the one that you see in the pictures. I also, up until now, never understood how the darn thing was suppose to work but as you, Arnie, and Curt have now done an excellent job in explaining to me how it works I can see that this may be the right setup. You are right, the exhaust valve is closed and right now it is "stuck" so I cannot depress it any further until I get it unstuck. I will start today loosening the valves up and you are probably right, once the exhaust valve is depressed there should be enough movement to let the arm swing under the intake valve. Right now the skirt on the bottom part of the fuel saver arm is a little long thus keeping the arm elevated to high on the pivot pin. This can be easily taken care of allowing the arm to fit down on the pivot pin and the top of the arm to be flush with the top of the pivot pin. Also the spring is currently applying reverse tension to the arm, in other words it is causing the fuel saver arm to spring away from the intake valve and not towards the valve as this was the way John's setup worked. I will need to get another spring or maybe I can modify this one, don't know much about anything and especially winding or modifying springs. John had ground the bevel on the arm on the wrong side for me but the right side for his engine. This also can be easily taken care of, just braze this area back up and then dress it down to achieve the square look again. I am going to take the head back out to the shop and put some penetrating oil on the stems and let it soak today while I continue to work on wiring up my son's new home today and just maybe when I get in later this afternoon the valves will be loose enough so I can depress them and I bet when I do you will be right, there will be enough movement that will allow the arm to swing under the intake valve washer which would hold it closed. Thanks Joe, Arnie, Curt, Patrick, and to anyone else I have missed that has written in about this issue. It is great to be able to call upon such knowledge. Man I am feeling better about everything now and I cannot wait to get back to the shop tonight and work on loosening up the valves and getting started in this engine. I am still wanting to develop a colored brochure/booklet on all of the different style fuel saver arms that Stover made so as I get the pictures in I will add them to an album and make them available for all to see. Thanks folks and keep those cards and letters coming in, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Prindle" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Stover Help! > I fail to understand what the problem is with the set up that you have > pictured. The fuel saver arm should only be doing its job when the exhaust > valve is being held open. In the photos it looks like it fits good, the > intake valve is free to open. If the exhaust valve were held open, the > little finger on the bottom of the rocker arm would move out of the way so > that the torsion spring that belongs on the fuel saver could swing the > fuel saver over under the washer on the intake valve and keep the intake > valve from being sucked open by the air rushing in and out of the cylinder > while the engine is on the miss strokes. The fuel saver arm comes into > play only when the exhaust rocker arm is holding the exhaust valve open. > In the photos, it does not look like the rocker arm is holding the exhaust > valve open, so the fuel saver should not be in position under the washer > on the intake valve. > It looks to me like what you have pictured is very close to being a > working assembly, with little more than a little handiwork with a file > needed to make it all fit together nicely. > Perhaps I am not looking at this right, but it looks pretty good to me. > Joe > > ===== > Joe Prindle > Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist > See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: > www.tznet.com/jprindle > Our Club: > www.badgersteamandgas.com > See Yoo in Baraboo! > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 05:31:25 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 07:31:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! References: <200407170850.i6H8o1LO021789@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <00cf01c46bf9$fc6ae870$def70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Patrick, more great shots and these go a long way into understanding the setup. I think I am now on my way to making this thing work. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 3:50 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Need Stover Help! > I took some more pictures today to more clearly show the fuel savers on > Stovers. I have added these to the pictures that were already on my Stover > pages. > This photo shows the head of Ron's YB with everything in place (ignore the > lifting lugs on the head bolts): > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/0902yb7.jpg > This is a rather naked view of the head of my YB: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/0902yb8.jpg > Here are two views of the fuel saver on Ron's YB with the rocker removed: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/04071701.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/04071702.JPG > > I am not 100% sure of the workings of the fuel saver but if you consider > that the exhaust valve is already held open so there is not a huge amount of > vacuum left to suck open the intake valve. All the fuel saver needs to do is > to add a little tension to the intake valve spring and the valve will not > open. > A slightly different style of Stover fuel saver can be seen on my DX (6hp) > horizontal. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/04071703.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/04071704.JPG > > The YB and YC fuel savers are identical and the YA engines were not fitted > with fuel savers. The horizontal and vertical engine fuel savers seem to be > identical in operating principle but are just pivoted differently due to the > different layout of the rocker and valves. > My YC does not have a fuel saver as it is a throttle governed engine so the > exhaust valve is never latched out. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 05:32:31 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 07:32:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover Model "C" Engines References: <071720041047.21121.187@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <00e001c46bfa$2363b6f0$def70cd1@VAIO> Hey Curt we are getting there with the help of our good friends on the list. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 5:47 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Stover Model "C" Engines > Hi Patrick, > If I could trouble you for both that might help the friend. Just the head asy > shots are critical showing rocker arm and valve asys up close if possible. > thankyou, > Curt > > Hi Curt, > > Would the later Type C Stover have the same fuel saver (or similar) > > as the YB and YC engines? Or possibly the horizontal engines? I could help > > with pics of these. > > Patrick > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > > Leichhardt NSW > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Sat Jul 17 05:35:21 2004 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 22:35:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! Message-ID: Hi Paul. I was helping a friend with his YB Stover recently (1917) and the fuel saver was double ended and I am fairly sure it was positioned on the opossite side of the inlet valve to yours. I also have a friend with a horizontal and the fuel saver on it is more like the one in your photos. Is it possible you have the wrong lever(perhaps off a type C horizontal).. I can't really see how yours could work as when the rocker moves downward it will push the lever away from the valve instead of towards it. I could be entirely wrong here but it is just a thought. Regards, Lyndsay in OZ >From: "Paul Maples" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine List" >Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! >Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:32:43 -0500 > >Folks you all know that I have been trying for years to find the right Fuel >Saver Arm for my 1905 Vertical Stover. I thought I had finally succeeded >when my good friend John Billings wrote me that he had purchased a Stover >and he thought it had the exact arm on it I needed. Not only did John give >me this information but he immediately offered to take his arm off and have >one cast for me and send it to me. John took the part off of his Stover, >had >one cast for me, and then machined it and sent it to me.......what a >friend...... > >I got the parts in last Friday and excitedly ran out to the shop to install >them. It became apparent immediately that this was not the right arm. I am >enclosing pictures of my Stover Head without the rocker arm and fuel saver >arm installed and then I show the head with the rocker arm and the new fuel >saver arm that John made for me. The pictures will affirm the following: > >The bevel grind that John put on the arm (which was correct for his engine) >is on the wrong side for my setup. Although this is wrong this would be an >easy fix if this was all that was wrong. > >Also you will not that the arm will have to have a right hand bend in it to >properly work as now it is as close as it can get the to contact plate on >the valve. I know that cast iron cannot be bent but I now have the basic >design of the arm and by having this part I can calculate the amount of >bend >I would need in a correct arm. I have confirmed, by looking at the wear >pattern on the rocker arm finger that the fuel saver arm did set on the >head >at this exact angle thus also confirming that the arm did originally have a >bend in it in order to reach the valve contact plate. Here are pictures of >my head and parts: > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/163076625/163077139KGQWJV > >I am searching for several things at this point. It is obvious to me that >Stover installed many different fuel saver arms on his engines as there are >many configurations out in the engine world. I would love to find someone >who has my exact setup as this would make it easier for me to redesign the >parts I have and make them work. I also need an understanding of just how >this fuel saver arm works and should be set up. > >I not only want to get my engine setup but, after all of the problems I >have >encountered, I want to put together a small booklet on Stover Fuel Saver >Arms and make this available to the engine public (free - only cost postage >to mail to you). I would appreciate all of the pictures I could get of >Stover Fuel Saver Arms advising me of the following: > >Year and Model of Engine the Fuel Saver Arm is On. >Model Number and Serial Number of Engine >Horse of Engine >Your Name (if you want to give it) > >I will compile this information into a colored brochure, or booklet, and >make it available to anyone who would want one. > >Thanks and I am looking forward to hearing from all of you Stover Owners >who >have engines with Fuel Saver Arms on them. > >Thanks, > >Paul > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Looking to buy a new house? Try http://property.ninemsn.com.au/ From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Jul 17 05:35:23 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 08:35:23 EDT Subject: [SEL] great engine week Message-ID: <1dd.267ca18d.2e2a770b@aol.com> Look what the trailer was able to haul home this week. Economy cart with saw rig: http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mvc-013f.jpg Economy cart with engine and saw rig: http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mvc-016f.jpg Now to find a cheap Webster mag and bracket, unstick it and go to work! Of course if that does not work, Millie will make the auctioneer happy when the time comes!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 05:52:09 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 07:52:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover Engine Fuel Saver References: <200407170721139.SM00237@psmtp.com> Message-ID: <00e601c46bfc$e22f7c70$def70cd1@VAIO> Hey Guys since we all need a laugh every once in a while I thought I would share my stuck valve story with you. I just sent out a message on the SEL in response to Joe Prindle's message to me and I told him that I thought he was right, if the exhaust valve was depressed and the finger on the rocker arm move downward then there might be enough movement that the fuel saver arm would actually move over under the intake valve washer. BUT, I told Joe, and the whole world, that my valves were stuck and I would have to get them loosened up before I would know. Now there was a very good reason the valves were stuck. I have the head off and setting on the table when I took all of the pictures that everyone is seeing. I had tried to depress the valves to check out Joe's theory and they would not move so obviously they were stuck right......WRONG, The darn head must weight 30# or more and since the head, with the face of the valves, were setting flush on the table there was no way I could depress the valves.......dumb, but laughable so having already admitted my dumbness to everyone in other posts I was not ashamed to share this with you. Like someone said yesterday on the List about themselves, the same applies to me, I am eat up with the dumb's but I stay away from the stupids, ha, ha. I picked up the head and took it to the shop just now to put some penetrating oil on the stems and as I was turning the head up on it's side so I could apply oil to the stem the darn valves started working, moving in and out easily. I still applied oil to them. I have to run now and start on the house wiring but as soon as I get in I will check out the movement with the exhaust valve depressed and see if the fuel saver arm will swing under the intake valve washer. I hope that I stay away from the dumbs on wiring this house or my son and his family may be in trouble. I will be back on line later this afternoon. Keep the cards and letters coming in on this subject. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'Paul Maples'" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 7:21 AM Subject: RE: Fuel Savers > Hi Paul, > That fuel saver is on my DX horizontal. I was beginning to suspect > that it would be what you were looking for. The standard horizontals changed > very little in their production run and the early verticals seem to have > been based on their design. The later verticals appear to be a design step > from the standard horizontals and early verticals to the 'Junior' range. > The fuel saver lever is of very simple construction, it seems to be > fabricated and not cast. I would not worry too much about it as they are not > essential for the running of the engine and do not do a lot. Having a strong > valve spring will do the same job. It was a bit of an advertising gimmick a > bit like the "Stover single rod engines". > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > -----Original Message----- > > > Great pictures Patrick, your picture #1703 looks almost like the setup I am > trying get to. The pivot pin on this head is directly in front of the rocker > arm stanchion where my sets off to one side but the fuel saver arm is > setting at the same angle as mine is setting right now. Thanks a million for > the pictures, they will be part of the brochure/booklet of Stover Fuel Saver > Arms. > > I may be getting back to you to see if I can get a few more detail shots of > the #1703 head picture. > > Paul > > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jul 17 07:39:11 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 08:39:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] great engine week References: <1dd.267ca18d.2e2a770b@aol.com> Message-ID: Congrats Tom! Guess we know what you'll be doing for the rest of the summer. Good Luck!!! She's a beauty! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 6:35 AM Subject: [SEL] great engine week > Look what the trailer was able to haul home this week. > > Economy cart with saw rig: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mvc-013f.jpg > > Economy cart with engine and saw rig: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mvc-016f.jpg > > Now to find a cheap Webster mag and bracket, unstick it and go to work! > > Of course if that does not work, Millie will make the auctioneer happy > when > the time comes!! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Sat Jul 17 07:54:47 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 10:54:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Weekly Plea for Transportation Help References: <01ab01c46b6d$58306370$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <000d01c46c0e$0250acc0$4ed7f504@x8h7l9> Paul, If you could get it down to I-80, I could pick it up on my way to Portland, Ind. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 3:44 PM Subject: [SEL] Weekly Plea for Transportation Help > Ok Gang once again I am submitting my weekly plea for transportation help to > get my fodder chopper hauled from George Woodzell's house in Schenectady, NY > to Ivan Cousins place in Clarion, Pa or to Portland. Ivan has graciously > consented to haul it from his place in Clarion, Pa to Portland if someone > can get it to him there. As I have said in previous posts George hauled the > chopper from Massachusetts to his home in Schenectady in the back of his > Volvo station wagon so it is not a big piece of equipment. If anyone can > help me please contact me via e-mail or via phone at 501-230-8229. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From don.h at wcoil.com Sat Jul 17 10:36:12 2004 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:36:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover Engine Fuel Saver References: <200407170721139.SM00237@psmtp.com> <00e601c46bfc$e22f7c70$def70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <000501c46c24$8e3c1060$6401a8c0@shop> Hey Paul dont get the GAS lines mixed up with the Letric. in the house!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 8:52 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover Engine Fuel Saver > Hey Guys since we all need a laugh every once in a while I thought I would > share my stuck valve story with you. I just sent out a message on the SEL in > response to Joe Prindle's message to me and I told him that I thought he was > right, if the exhaust valve was depressed and the finger on the rocker arm > move downward then there might be enough movement that the fuel saver arm > would actually move over under the intake valve washer. BUT, I told Joe, and > the whole world, that my valves were stuck and I would have to get them > loosened up before I would know. Now there was a very good reason the valves > were stuck. > > I have the head off and setting on the table when I took all of the pictures > that everyone is seeing. I had tried to depress the valves to check out > Joe's theory and they would not move so obviously they were stuck > right......WRONG, The darn head must weight 30# or more and since the head, > with the face of the valves, were setting flush on the table there was no > way I could depress the valves.......dumb, but laughable so having already > admitted my dumbness to everyone in other posts I was not ashamed to share > this with you. Like someone said yesterday on the List about themselves, the > same applies to me, I am eat up with the dumb's but I stay away from the > stupids, ha, ha. > > I picked up the head and took it to the shop just now to put some > penetrating oil on the stems and as I was turning the head up on it's side > so I could apply oil to the stem the darn valves started working, moving in > and out easily. I still applied oil to them. I have to run now and start on > the house wiring but as soon as I get in I will check out the movement with > the exhaust valve depressed and see if the fuel saver arm will swing under > the intake valve washer. I hope that I stay away from the dumbs on wiring > this house or my son and his family may be in trouble. I will be back on > line later this afternoon. Keep the cards and letters coming in on this > subject. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > To: "'Paul Maples'" > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 7:21 AM > Subject: RE: Fuel Savers > > > > Hi Paul, > > That fuel saver is on my DX horizontal. I was beginning to suspect > > that it would be what you were looking for. The standard horizontals > changed > > very little in their production run and the early verticals seem to have > > been based on their design. The later verticals appear to be a design step > > from the standard horizontals and early verticals to the 'Junior' range. > > The fuel saver lever is of very simple construction, it seems to be > > fabricated and not cast. I would not worry too much about it as they are > not > > essential for the running of the engine and do not do a lot. Having a > strong > > valve spring will do the same job. It was a bit of an advertising gimmick > a > > bit like the "Stover single rod engines". > > Patrick > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > > Leichhardt NSW > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > Great pictures Patrick, your picture #1703 looks almost like the setup I > am > > trying get to. The pivot pin on this head is directly in front of the > rocker > > arm stanchion where my sets off to one side but the fuel saver arm is > > setting at the same angle as mine is setting right now. Thanks a million > for > > the pictures, they will be part of the brochure/booklet of Stover Fuel > Saver > > Arms. > > > > I may be getting back to you to see if I can get a few more detail shots > of > > the #1703 head picture. > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From driggars at earthlink.net Sat Jul 17 10:47:23 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:47:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? References: <1d3.26168ad3.2e29dd20@aol.com> Message-ID: <00e501c46c26$2528bb80$f41be204@clinton> My Test for response time, 12:46 CST Clint From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Jul 17 10:56:12 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:56:12 +0100 Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? In-Reply-To: <00e501c46c26$2528bb80$f41be204@clinton> References: <1d3.26168ad3.2e29dd20@aol.com> <00e501c46c26$2528bb80$f41be204@clinton> Message-ID: <6vpif05nvtp77oddeg1kjobeoktc1vunb0@4ax.com> On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:47:23 -0500, you wrote: >My Test for response time, 12:46 CST > > >Clint Turned up here at 19.50 UK BST, that is not Bull-Sh*t Time either!... :-)) Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sat Jul 17 11:18:54 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 20:18:54 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! References: <008001c46b39$61f39dc0$e1f70cd1@VAIO> <002c01c46b70$1a0682c0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> <00c301c46ba5$fccee590$d0f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <003c01c46c2a$87945cd0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Paul, I looked at the pictures you posted, and like Joe, I think it's really close to be working properly. On your pics the rocker arm is not in "freewheel" position. I guess it should work now with the right spring to push it under the valve keeper. Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sat Jul 17 12:28:01 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 21:28:01 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Famous magneto question. References: <20040717004209.89801.qmail@web20228.mail.yahoo.com> <00bc01c46bf9$5b4eb4d0$def70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <006601c46c34$30a3d900$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Hi folks, I'm currently restoring a Webster bracket for a 1914 6 HP International Famous. Unfortunately the magneto is not the original, and they made it to fit the bracket. There are still some things that I don't really understand. Like the advance device, and there is a hole drilled in the bracket, that I don't see any use for. Is there anyone that has pictures of Webster bracket for an IHC Famous? Thanks, Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 14:12:24 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:12:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Weekly Plea for Transportation Help References: <01ab01c46b6d$58306370$e1f70cd1@VAIO> <000d01c46c0e$0250acc0$4ed7f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <012301c46c42$c6f2d1a0$def70cd1@VAIO> Thanks Ed, let me see what I can do. I am hoping I can get something going as there are several people willing to help if I can just get it in the right place at the right time. Thanks for the offer of help, it is GREATLY appreciated. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "ED" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Weekly Plea for Transportation Help > Paul, > > If you could get it down to I-80, I could pick it up on my way to Portland, > Ind. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: "Stationary Engine List" > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 3:44 PM > Subject: [SEL] Weekly Plea for Transportation Help > > > > Ok Gang once again I am submitting my weekly plea for transportation help > to > > get my fodder chopper hauled from George Woodzell's house in Schenectady, > NY > > to Ivan Cousins place in Clarion, Pa or to Portland. Ivan has graciously > > consented to haul it from his place in Clarion, Pa to Portland if someone > > can get it to him there. As I have said in previous posts George hauled > the > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 14:14:32 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:14:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover Engine Fuel Saver References: <200407170721139.SM00237@psmtp.com><00e601c46bfc$e22f7c70$def70cd1@VAIO> <000501c46c24$8e3c1060$6401a8c0@shop> Message-ID: <015001c46c43$11158c50$def70cd1@VAIO> WOW, thanks for this timely advice Don, I certainly will watch out for that one. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "don" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Stover Engine Fuel Saver > Hey Paul dont get the GAS lines mixed up with the Letric. in the > house!!!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 17 14:24:20 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:24:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Famous magneto question. References: <20040717004209.89801.qmail@web20228.mail.yahoo.com><00bc01c46bf9$5b4eb4d0$def70cd1@VAIO> <006601c46c34$30a3d900$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: <002801c46c44$6d066c90$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Are you speaking of a hole that is about .375 in diameter and runs from the front of the engine to the rear ? Or are you speaking of a hole that is behind the advance quadrent and runs perpendicular to the path of the piston ? Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Terpstra" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 2:28 PM Subject: [SEL] Famous magneto question. > Hi folks, > > I'm currently restoring a Webster bracket for a 1914 6 HP International > Famous. > Unfortunately the magneto is not the original, and they made it to fit the > bracket. > > There are still some things that I don't really understand. > Like the advance device, and there is a hole drilled in the bracket, that I > don't see any use for. > Is there anyone that has pictures of Webster bracket for an IHC Famous? > > Thanks, > > Harry Terpstra > Sint Anna Parochie > Netherlands > h.terpstra at wxs.nl > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 14:23:53 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:23:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! References: <008001c46b39$61f39dc0$e1f70cd1@VAIO><002c01c46b70$1a0682c0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb><00c301c46ba5$fccee590$d0f70cd1@VAIO> <003c01c46c2a$87945cd0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: <01a301c46c45$11068640$def70cd1@VAIO> Harry even with the exhaust valve depressed the fuel saver arm still doesn't quite come into contact with the valve keeper. It looks like I will need to make one out of steel and put a slight bend in it. I have seen some of these fuel saver arms that was bent on the end (they were original). I use to have some pictures of them but you guessed it, they were stored on the computer and was lost in the crash. This time I am downloading all of my pictures onto a disk to make sure this does not happen again. I appreciate you Harry. Don't forget to resend me your address. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Terpstra" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Stover Help! > Paul, > I looked at the pictures you posted, and like Joe, I think it's really close > to be working properly. > On your pics the rocker arm is not in "freewheel" position. > I guess it should work now with the right spring to push it under the valve > keeper. > > > Harry Terpstra > Sint Anna Parochie > Netherlands > h.terpstra at wxs.nl > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From don.h at wcoil.com Sat Jul 17 14:51:08 2004 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:51:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover Engine Fuel Saver References: <200407170721139.SM00237@psmtp.com><00e601c46bfc$e22f7c70$def70cd1@VAIO><000501c46c24$8e3c1060$6401a8c0@shop> <015001c46c43$11158c50$def70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <000901c46c48$2b3c1720$6401a8c0@shop> Your more then welcome Paul ...all in jest by the way I cant seem to find my tools when there right in front of me so maybee theres a cure for our misfortune hi hi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Stover Engine Fuel Saver > WOW, thanks for this timely advice Don, I certainly will watch out for that > one. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "don" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 12:36 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Stover Engine Fuel Saver > > > > Hey Paul dont get the GAS lines mixed up with the Letric. in the > > house!!!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Maples" > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 14:58:03 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:58:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! References: <008001c46b39$61f39dc0$e1f70cd1@VAIO><002c01c46b70$1a0682c0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb><00c301c46ba5$fccee590$d0f70cd1@VAIO> <003c01c46c2a$87945cd0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: <01cd01c46c49$25605860$def70cd1@VAIO> Hello Harry, Harry, I would be interested to know how far does your fuel saver arm go up under the valve keeper? If I depress the intake valve all the way down until the fuel saver arm is high as it can go on the rocker arm then the fuel saver arm is approximately 1/8" under the valve keeper. However when I look at the wear pattern on the rocker arm where the fuel saver rubs against it I see that the original fuel saver arm never went that high. If I push the rocker arm down to where the fuel saver arm matches the old wear pattern on the rocker arm then I am just barely contacting the valve keeper and not going under it. Looking at the bottom of the valve keeper it looks as though the original fuel saver arm must have slid up under the valve keeper about a 1/4", maybe a little more. How far does your rocker arm push your intake valve down before it starts retracting, I am trying to get sense of how much downward movement is normal for the intake valve. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Terpstra" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Stover Help! > Paul, > I looked at the pictures you posted, and like Joe, I think it's really close > to be working properly. > On your pics the rocker arm is not in "freewheel" position. > I guess it should work now with the right spring to push it under the valve > keeper. > > > Harry Terpstra > Sint Anna Parochie > Netherlands > h.terpstra at wxs.nl > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 15:02:09 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:02:09 -0500 Subject: Fw: [SEL] Need Stover Help! Message-ID: <01d901c46c49$b7bcc270$def70cd1@VAIO> Guys I meant to say depress the exhaust valve al the way down, not the intake valve. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Stover Help! > Hello Harry, > > Harry, I would be interested to know how far does your fuel saver arm go up > under the valve keeper? If I depress the intake valve all the way down until > the fuel saver arm is high as it can go on the rocker arm then the fuel > saver arm is approximately 1/8" under the valve keeper. However when I look > at the wear pattern on the rocker arm where the fuel saver rubs against it I > see that the original fuel saver arm never went that high. If I push the > rocker arm down to where the fuel saver arm matches the old wear pattern on > the rocker arm then I am just barely contacting the valve keeper and not > going under it. > > Looking at the bottom of the valve keeper it looks as though the original > fuel saver arm must have slid up under the valve keeper about a 1/4", maybe > a little more. > > How far does your rocker arm push your intake valve down before it starts > retracting, I am trying to get sense of how much downward movement is normal > for the intake valve. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harry Terpstra" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:18 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Stover Help! > > > > Paul, > > I looked at the pictures you posted, and like Joe, I think it's really > close > > to be working properly. > > On your pics the rocker arm is not in "freewheel" position. > > I guess it should work now with the right spring to push it under the > valve > > keeper. > > > > > > Harry Terpstra > > Sint Anna Parochie > > Netherlands > > h.terpstra at wxs.nl > > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 15:17:05 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:17:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! References: Message-ID: <01f601c46c4b$cdcb3450$def70cd1@VAIO> Hello Lyndsay, You are right Lyndsay, this rocker arm came off of a horizontal engine, well not really this one, but the original one that this was cast from came off of a horizontal engine and this probably accounts for the slight difference in the arms. The fuel saver arm has a torsion spring on it that is suppose to move the fuel saver arm over and under the intake valve keeper when the exhaust valve is depressed thus locking out the intake valve during the exhaust stroke. The pictures may be deceiving but as the rocker arm goes down it actually allows for the fuel saver arm to advance forward under the Intake Valve Keeper. The design of the rocker arm, with the actuating finger hanging down from it, is such that as the rocker arm comes up it actually pushes the arm away from the intake valve, as it goes down the spring drives the arm towards the Intake valve. Do you have any pictures of your friends YB fuel saver arm or your other friend's type C horizontal fuel saver arm? I would love to see them. Thanks, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyndsay Frazer" To: Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 7:35 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Need Stover Help! > Hi Paul. > I was helping a friend with his YB Stover recently (1917) and the > fuel saver was double ended and I am fairly sure it was positioned on the > opossite side of the inlet valve to yours. I also have a friend with a > horizontal and the fuel saver on it is more like the one in your photos. Is > it possible you have the wrong lever(perhaps off a type C horizontal).. I > can't really see how yours could work as when the rocker moves downward it > will push the lever away from the valve instead of towards it. > I could be entirely wrong here but it is just a thought. > > Regards, > Lyndsay in OZ > > > > > > >From: "Paul Maples" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "Stationary Engine List" > >Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! > >Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:32:43 -0500 > > > >Folks you all know that I have been trying for years to find the right Fuel > >Saver Arm for my 1905 Vertical Stover. I thought I had finally succeeded > >when my good friend John Billings wrote me that he had purchased a Stover > >and he thought it had the exact arm on it I needed. Not only did John give > >me this information but he immediately offered to take his arm off and have > >one cast for me and send it to me. John took the part off of his Stover, > >had > >one cast for me, and then machined it and sent it to me.......what a > >friend...... > > > >I got the parts in last Friday and excitedly ran out to the shop to install > >them. It became apparent immediately that this was not the right arm. I am > >enclosing pictures of my Stover Head without the rocker arm and fuel saver > >arm installed and then I show the head with the rocker arm and the new fuel > >saver arm that John made for me. The pictures will affirm the following: > > > >The bevel grind that John put on the arm (which was correct for his engine) > >is on the wrong side for my setup. Although this is wrong this would be an > >easy fix if this was all that was wrong. > > > >Also you will not that the arm will have to have a right hand bend in it to > >properly work as now it is as close as it can get the to contact plate on > >the valve. I know that cast iron cannot be bent but I now have the basic > >design of the arm and by having this part I can calculate the amount of > >bend > >I would need in a correct arm. I have confirmed, by looking at the wear > >pattern on the rocker arm finger that the fuel saver arm did set on the > >head > >at this exact angle thus also confirming that the arm did originally have a > >bend in it in order to reach the valve contact plate. Here are pictures of > >my head and parts: > > > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/163076625/163077139KGQWJV > > > >I am searching for several things at this point. It is obvious to me that > >Stover installed many different fuel saver arms on his engines as there are > >many configurations out in the engine world. I would love to find someone > >who has my exact setup as this would make it easier for me to redesign the > >parts I have and make them work. I also need an understanding of just how > >this fuel saver arm works and should be set up. > > > >I not only want to get my engine setup but, after all of the problems I > >have > >encountered, I want to put together a small booklet on Stover Fuel Saver > >Arms and make this available to the engine public (free - only cost postage > >to mail to you). I would appreciate all of the pictures I could get of > >Stover Fuel Saver Arms advising me of the following: > > > >Year and Model of Engine the Fuel Saver Arm is On. > >Model Number and Serial Number of Engine > >Horse of Engine > >Your Name (if you want to give it) > > > >I will compile this information into a colored brochure, or booklet, and > >make it available to anyone who would want one. > > > >Thanks and I am looking forward to hearing from all of you Stover Owners > >who > >have engines with Fuel Saver Arms on them. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Paul > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Looking to buy a new house? Try http://property.ninemsn.com.au/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 15:36:10 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:36:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover Fuel Saver Arm Message-ID: <020701c46c4e$7891b380$def70cd1@VAIO> I found the picture that a guy out west sent me about a year ago, he said this came off of an early Stover. I am wondering if this is the type of arm I need as it has a bend in it. http://community.webshots.com/photo/164226936/164227114AHVirW What do you think? Paul From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 15:47:21 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:47:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down Message-ID: <021301c46c50$084c7b30$def70cd1@VAIO> Ok you computer guru's I need your help again. I am not completely stupid, almost but not quite there yet. I had enough sense about six months ago when I was having computer trouble before to go out and buy a 60 gig external hard drive and using Norton Ghost a friend of mine came over and did a complete backup of my hard drive. He said the option he selected was such that I cannot just hook up the hard drive to my computer and pick and choose the files I want, I have to completely download everything and this is all of the applications. He also said I would have to use Norton Ghost just to download the files again. Is there anyway I can hook up the external hard drive and see all of my files and then download just the ones I want or is what he said true, I can only do a complete backup onto my computer of the information that is on the external harddrive. Surely there is a way to see these files and to pull off what I want. So there it is gang, the challenge for all of the computer guru's, and I am confident that someone can tell me how to do this. By the way I now have Norton Internet Security on my computer which does not include Ghost.....does this make the challenge harder? I will appreciate any and all help you folks can give me and just maybe I might learn how to use this thing before I buy the farm as we say here in the South. Paul From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 15:49:40 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:49:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover Engine Fuel Saver References: <200407170721139.SM00237@psmtp.com><00e601c46bfc$e22f7c70$def70cd1@VAIO><000501c46c24$8e3c1060$6401a8c0@shop><015001c46c43$11158c50$def70cd1@VAIO> <000901c46c48$2b3c1720$6401a8c0@shop> Message-ID: <021901c46c50$5aabd290$def70cd1@VAIO> Heck Don I know your just having fun jabbing at me and I enjoy every minute of it. I get as much fun out of telling folks the fouls up I make as I do telling them when I do succeed in doing something right which is very rare. Have A Great Weekend. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "don" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Stover Engine Fuel Saver > Your more then welcome Paul ...all in jest by the way I cant seem to find my > tools when there right in front of me so maybee theres a cure for our > misfortune hi hi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 5:14 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Stover Engine Fuel Saver > > > > WOW, thanks for this timely advice Don, I certainly will watch out for > that > > one. > > > > Paul > > > > From edstoller at earthlink.net Sat Jul 17 16:18:36 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:18:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down References: <021301c46c50$084c7b30$def70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <003401c46c54$6424c300$798ff504@x8h7l9> Hello Paul, I don't consider my self a computer Guru but the approach to back up that I take is to save my files on a cd with a read write cd rom drive. The files are individually accessible. I file what I want to keep in several directories by subject and copy these directories to a the CD every once in a while. I try to be fussy about keeping a copy of the various programs and save there up dates to a file backed up to the CD. I don't use ghost. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 6:47 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down > Ok you computer guru's I need your help again. I am not completely stupid, > almost but not quite there yet. I had enough sense about six months ago when > I was having computer trouble before to go out and buy a 60 gig external > hard drive and using Norton Ghost a friend of mine came over and did a > complete backup of my hard drive. He said the option he selected was such > that I cannot just hook up the hard drive to my computer and pick and choose > the files I want, I have to completely download everything and this is all > of the applications. He also said I would have to use Norton Ghost just to > download the files again. > > Is there anyway I can hook up the external hard drive and see all of my > files and then download just the ones I want or is what he said true, I can > only do a complete backup onto my computer of the information that is on the > external harddrive. Surely there is a way to see these files and to pull off > what I want. > > So there it is gang, the challenge for all of the computer guru's, and I am > confident that someone can tell me how to do this. By the way I now have > Norton Internet Security on my computer which does not include > Ghost.....does this make the challenge harder? > > I will appreciate any and all help you folks can give me and just maybe I > might learn how to use this thing before I buy the farm as we say here in > the South. > > Paul > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 16:54:51 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:54:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down References: <021301c46c50$084c7b30$def70cd1@VAIO> <003401c46c54$6424c300$798ff504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <025801c46c59$7679cf00$def70cd1@VAIO> Sounds like a good idea Ed and I wish I had done the same, you live and learn. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "ED" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down > Hello Paul, > > I don't consider my self a computer Guru but the approach to back up that I > take is to save my files on a cd with a read write cd rom drive. The files > are individually accessible. I file what I want to keep in several > directories by subject and copy these directories to a the CD every once in > a while. I try to be fussy about keeping a copy of the various programs and From rholtzer at earthlink.net Sat Jul 17 16:59:01 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:59:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down In-Reply-To: <021301c46c50$084c7b30$def70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040717164921.00b7e0d8@mail.earthlink.net> I haven't used Ghost for quite a while. I used it to completely transfer the contents of a hard drive to another hard drive -- for upgrading to a bigger/faster hard drive. The new hard drive then physically replaced the old one. As I recall there were a number of options the program could carry out. Frankly I'd try hooking up the external hard drive and have Windows Explorer check out its contents. I've copied the boot drive to another internal hard drive and there has been no evident conflict, ie, the system doesn't try to boot from the copy since BIOS controls the initial boot device. Will be interested in other suggestions you get! Best wishes. Bob Holtzer At 05:47 PM 7/17/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Ok you computer guru's I need your help again. I am not completely stupid, >almost but not quite there yet. I had enough sense about six months ago when >I was having computer trouble before to go out and buy a 60 gig external >hard drive and using Norton Ghost a friend of mine came over and did a >complete backup of my hard drive. He said the option he selected was such >that I cannot just hook up the hard drive to my computer and pick and choose >the files I want, I have to completely download everything and this is all >of the applications. He also said I would have to use Norton Ghost just to >download the files again. > >Is there anyway I can hook up the external hard drive and see all of my >files and then download just the ones I want or is what he said true, I can >only do a complete backup onto my computer of the information that is on the >external harddrive. Surely there is a way to see these files and to pull off >what I want. > >So there it is gang, the challenge for all of the computer guru's, and I am >confident that someone can tell me how to do this. By the way I now have >Norton Internet Security on my computer which does not include >Ghost.....does this make the challenge harder? > >I will appreciate any and all help you folks can give me and just maybe I >might learn how to use this thing before I buy the farm as we say here in >the South. > >Paul > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pmaples at anaxis.net Sat Jul 17 17:37:22 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:37:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down References: <4.2.2.20040717164921.00b7e0d8@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <026e01c46c5f$667ff010$def70cd1@VAIO> Bob, you don't think this will wipe out my present hard drive do you? or cause a conflict?. I have had my share of computer problems lately and just now got back on line and I am a little skeptical of trying anything that has the potential of causing me more trouble. I will wait for just a while longer to see if anyone may have done this and can advise me on it. I appreciate your input and if I get no other suggestions I will try your idea. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Holtzer" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down > I haven't used Ghost for quite a while. I used it to completely transfer > the contents of a hard drive to another hard drive -- for upgrading to a > bigger/faster hard drive. The new hard drive then physically replaced the > old one. As I recall there were a number of options the program could > carry out. > > Frankly I'd try hooking up the external hard drive and have Windows > Explorer check out its contents. I've copied the boot drive to another > internal hard drive and there has been no evident conflict, ie, the system > doesn't try to boot from the copy since BIOS controls the initial boot > device. Will be interested in other suggestions you get! Best wishes. > > Bob Holtzer > > At From rholtzer at earthlink.net Sat Jul 17 21:54:58 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 21:54:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down In-Reply-To: <026e01c46c5f$667ff010$def70cd1@VAIO> References: <4.2.2.20040717164921.00b7e0d8@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040717215351.00af55d0@mail.earthlink.net> I don't think it will -- but agree it is prudent to see if anyone else can help. I am not a guru by a long shot! Bob Holtzer At 07:37 PM 7/17/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Bob, you don't think this will wipe out my present hard drive do you? or >cause a conflict?. I have had my share of computer problems lately and just >now got back on line and I am a little skeptical of trying anything that has >the potential of causing me more trouble. I will wait for just a while >longer to see if anyone may have done this and can advise me on it. I >appreciate your input and if I get no other suggestions I will try your >idea. > >Paul > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Robert L. Holtzer" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 6:59 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down > > > > I haven't used Ghost for quite a while. I used it to completely transfer > > the contents of a hard drive to another hard drive -- for upgrading to a > > bigger/faster hard drive. The new hard drive then physically replaced the > > old one. As I recall there were a number of options the program could > > carry out. > > > > Frankly I'd try hooking up the external hard drive and have Windows > > Explorer check out its contents. I've copied the boot drive to another > > internal hard drive and there has been no evident conflict, ie, the system > > doesn't try to boot from the copy since BIOS controls the initial boot > > device. Will be interested in other suggestions you get! Best wishes. > > > > Bob Holtzer > > > > At > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Jul 18 00:25:02 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 08:25:02 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down In-Reply-To: <021301c46c50$084c7b30$def70cd1@VAIO> References: <021301c46c50$084c7b30$def70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <9n8kf0p6s7t5paetvduflaidj7c83gpnsc@4ax.com> On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:47:21 -0500, you wrote: >Ok you computer guru's I need your help again. >Paul OK, there are two or three ways to do a backup, but if you want to be able to access them at any time and without going through hoops then you need to just copy complete drives or folders over to the backup medium. Ordinary backups use compression techniques to write one large file to a backup medium which has to be unscrambled if you want to see a particular file. This requires the original backup programme as well. We backup to a second hard drive inside the computer, then once a fortnight we write all our files to a DVD. Both these backups are straight file copies, so we can look at the DVD with Windows Explorer (Not Internet Explorer) and pick any file(s) out that we want. The second hard drive is a 40gb unit which 'only' holds backups, and is used for nothing else. We use Nero 6 for writing CD's and DVD's, and it includes a 'proper' backup programme, but you cannot read the files with anything else, so we dropped that straight away. We write the backups across the network to one of the machines with a DVD writer, and with all the network machines running we can back up the whole lot in about an hour or so, about 10gb. The other thing to remember is that for quick backups you need to locate all your files in a couple of folders so you can find them and back them up quickly. We back up our email programme folder (Agent) our pictures folder, our webpages folder and a couple of others. The other thing we do is to regularly make up an emergency repair disk so if we have a system crash we can restore the system using Win2KPro's built-in recovery process. I think XP has this as well. Peter (Posted at 08.24am UK BST Sunday) -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Sun Jul 18 01:47:41 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 18:47:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] olds Message-ID: hi everyone, just chasing a bit of imfo on a 3hp type a olds i picked up yesterday. any imfo would be appreciated. thanks in advance. dave in oz _________________________________________________________________ Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday and find love! http://mobilecentral.ninemsn.com.au/mclovehunt/lovehunt.aspx From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Jul 18 02:17:30 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:17:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down References: <021301c46c50$084c7b30$def70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <001601c46ca8$12bdca30$06856ad5@one> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 11:47 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down > Ok you computer guru's I need your help again. I am not completely stupid, > almost but not quite there yet. I had enough sense about six months ago when > I was having computer trouble before to go out and buy a 60 gig external > hard drive and using Norton Ghost a friend of mine came over and did a > complete backup of my hard drive. (SNIP) > Paul Hi Paul, On my previous computer which used to lock up on me I found Norton ghost would replace my entire C drive with my last back up. (not pieces of it). This kept me going for a couple of years. The guide to ghost is at http://ghost.radified.com/ghost_1.htm It seems that a new Ghost is available now for more modern systems. Sorry I cannot be of more help. Dave Croft Warrington England http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv British Map http://pub32.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=2692147218 World Map http://pub13.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=1064374771 From oldengines at bigpond.com Sun Jul 18 03:07:52 2004 From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron & Liz Sullivan) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:07:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] olds References: Message-ID: <002801c46caf$16909ff0$d6e58690@ronliz1> Hi Dave What do u need to know Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 6:47 PM Subject: [SEL] olds > hi everyone, just chasing a bit of imfo on a 3hp type a olds i picked up > yesterday. any imfo would be appreciated. thanks in advance. dave in oz > > _________________________________________________________________ > Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday and find love! > http://mobilecentral.ninemsn.com.au/mclovehunt/lovehunt.aspx > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From wara at ozemail.com.au Sun Jul 18 03:49:12 2004 From: wara at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:49:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] olds References: Message-ID: <00b101c46cb4$dde56d10$db6854d2@Young1203> Hi David, I dont pretend to be an expert on them but as I have 2 Olds engines, I have tried to find out what I could over the years. Tell me what your engine is and the exact details on your plate and I will tell you what I can. As far as I know there is no one keeping a serial no. register of Olds engines and there are no original factory records in captivity. There are a few Olds specialists in the States (as in US of) who might care to identify themselves and they might know something. If you have a pre Seager Olds Type A engine (i.e. Olds Gas Power Plate - with B serial no. prefix.) it can probably be dated within a year or so. They were made in the 1904/5 - 1910 era. The early engines - pre 1904 - can also be very roughly dated but I dont know about the Seager plated engines. I have a 12Hp type A ~1909 and a gearless 12hp ~1898/9 which has given me a keen interest in this brand. Regards, Michael Young ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 6:47 PM Subject: [SEL] olds > hi everyone, just chasing a bit of imfo on a 3hp type a olds i picked up > yesterday. any imfo would be appreciated. thanks in advance. dave in oz > > _________________________________________________________________ > Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday and find love! > http://mobilecentral.ninemsn.com.au/mclovehunt/lovehunt.aspx > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Sun Jul 18 04:20:54 2004 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:20:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Need Stover Help! Message-ID: Hi Paul, Sorry mate but I can't send pics at this time as I don't have a digital camera. My friend with the YB will have one very soon so will get them to you then. Regards Lyndsay > < You Wrote > >Do you have any pictures of your friends YB fuel saver arm or your other >friend's type C horizontal fuel saver arm? I would love to see them. > >Thanks, > >Paul > _________________________________________________________________ Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday and find love! http://mobilecentral.ninemsn.com.au/mclovehunt/lovehunt.aspx From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Jul 18 04:39:51 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 12:39:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Updates to Oldengine.org website Message-ID: <66okf0l7u0gd47bti7f1heap8770a218g0@4ax.com> We have updated the members and commercial pages, look for Jim Sherman's link in the member's pages and a couple of commercial links elsewhere. Apologies to Jim Dunmyer for the delay in getting this updated, he originally requested the new links back at the beginning of June, but we have been a bit busy over here.. :-)) Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Jul 18 06:55:21 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 09:55:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] Famous magneto question. Message-ID: <144.2e739471.2e2bdb49@aol.com> In a message dated 7/17/2004 3:59:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, h.terpstra at wxs.nl writes: << Is there anyone that has pictures of Webster bracket for an IHC Famous? >> Harry, I have sent you three photos of my 1914 Famous mag/bracket off line, so be on the lookout for it. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From ivancou at usachoice.net Sun Jul 18 08:04:56 2004 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:04:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Homelite Generator - Need Info References: <017a01c46b64$7092d870$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <000801c46cd8$990083a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Paul , did you know about this ? Ivan < EnginAds Sparks & Arcs"? is set up as a place to post questions and get answers about antique Power Generation Systems, Lightplants, Generators, Alternators and Motors and the related things that make them run or that they run. > http://www.enginads.com/faq_sprk.htm From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sun Jul 18 10:55:04 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 19:55:04 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Famous magneto question. References: <144.2e739471.2e2bdb49@aol.com> Message-ID: <003601c46cf0$5e6d51b0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Thanks Tom, It really makes things clear! It is obvious that the bracket I'm working on is missing allot. TTYL, Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous magneto question. > In a message dated 7/17/2004 3:59:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > h.terpstra at wxs.nl writes: > > << Is there anyone that has pictures of Webster bracket for an IHC Famous? >> > > > Harry, > > I have sent you three photos of my 1914 Famous mag/bracket off line, so be on > the lookout for it. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Jul 18 12:39:05 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:39:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down References: <021301c46c50$084c7b30$def70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <001301c46cfe$e3466170$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Paul, Norton Ghost makes a compressed image of your entire hard drive. The only way to get the data back is using Ghost. I have a CD that has an image of a laptop drive on it. The CD contains an executable and the ghost image. The executable is Ghost and once opened it will allow you to restore a drive. If you have a spare drive around that you don't mind trashing you could use it to get to your data. Another option would be to move the two files from your external drive to the drive on the computer you are using, and then run the exe from there and install the backup on your external drive. This option could trash your current drive if you don't do it right. Not for the timid by any means. That's about the best I can do for you. I will tell you I am not a fan of Ghost and don't use it. All of my files are in the My Documents folder in their own subdirectories. I back them all up using an external DVD burner. If I ever had a fatal crash my data is safe. Good luck. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 4:47 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down > Ok you computer guru's I need your help again. I am not completely stupid, > almost but not quite there yet. I had enough sense about six months ago when > I was having computer trouble before to go out and buy a 60 gig external > hard drive and using Norton Ghost a friend of mine came over and did a > complete backup of my hard drive. He said the option he selected was such > that I cannot just hook up the hard drive to my computer and pick and choose > the files I want, I have to completely download everything and this is all > of the applications. He also said I would have to use Norton Ghost just to > download the files again. > > Is there anyway I can hook up the external hard drive and see all of my > files and then download just the ones I want or is what he said true, I can > only do a complete backup onto my computer of the information that is on the > external harddrive. Surely there is a way to see these files and to pull off > what I want. > > So there it is gang, the challenge for all of the computer guru's, and I am > confident that someone can tell me how to do this. By the way I now have > Norton Internet Security on my computer which does not include > Ghost.....does this make the challenge harder? > > I will appreciate any and all help you folks can give me and just maybe I > might learn how to use this thing before I buy the farm as we say here in > the South. > > Paul > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Jul 18 12:59:20 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:59:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] great engine week References: <1dd.267ca18d.2e2a770b@aol.com> Message-ID: <001901c46d01$b79ed090$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Tom, Love your new toy. I have a Webster L with 303K ignitor that I don't need. If this is what you need we can try to work something out. I can put pictures up if you want them. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 6:35 AM Subject: [SEL] great engine week > Look what the trailer was able to haul home this week. > > Economy cart with saw rig: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mvc-013f.jpg > > Economy cart with engine and saw rig: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/mvc-016f.jpg > > Now to find a cheap Webster mag and bracket, unstick it and go to work! > > Of course if that does not work, Millie will make the auctioneer happy when > the time comes!! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sun Jul 18 14:14:20 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 16:14:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old Homelite Generator - Need Info References: <017a01c46b64$7092d870$e1f70cd1@VAIO> <000801c46cd8$990083a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Message-ID: <002701c46d0c$357742e0$dff70cd1@VAIO> No Ivan I did not, thanks for this info, I will go and check it out. Did you see the message the other night where George Woodzell was telling Ed Stoller that he could haul the Fodder Chopper to Ed who had said if anyone could get it to I-88 he could pick it up. I do not know if Ed has responded back to George or not but maybe something will work out, I sure hope so. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivan Cousins" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Homelite Generator - Need Info > Paul , did you know about this ? Ivan > > < EnginAds Sparks & Arcs"? is set up as a place to post questions and get > answers about antique Power Generation Systems, Lightplants, Generators, > Alternators and Motors and the related things that make them run or that > they run. > > > http://www.enginads.com/faq_sprk.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pmaples at anaxis.net Sun Jul 18 16:48:57 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 18:48:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down References: <021301c46c50$084c7b30$def70cd1@VAIO> <001301c46cfe$e3466170$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <00f801c46d21$cdd01110$dff70cd1@VAIO> Thanks so much Jeff for the advice and offer of help. Jeff I have a friend who has three laptops, he only uses one. He is out of town right now but when he gets back I am going to see if he will loan me one of them and if I can get a copy of Ghost I would install the backup that is on my 60 gig external drive to his laptop and once I get it on his laptop I would then copy all of the files to a CD and then I could put the CD in my laptop and pick and choose the files I wanted on my current hard drive. This will leave me with an empty 60 gig external hard drive, it looks like I could take this empty 60 gig hard drive and hook it up once a week and just download all of my files and folders which I to keep in "My Documents" to the hard drive. Would this work? Can I use the CD you are talking about to extract Ghost from it so that I can pull the data off of the 60 gig external hard drive and onto my friends un-used laptop (assuming he will let me use it)? If this will all work I would be indebted to you if you could give me a step by step procedure to use so that I don't destroy the data. Once I get it back I am through with Ghost forever, it is just too much trouble to use and I regret ever being talked into using it. Thanks Jeff Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down > Paul, > > Norton Ghost makes a compressed image of your entire hard drive. The only > way to get the data back is using Ghost. I have a CD that has an image of a > laptop drive on it. The CD contains an executable and the ghost image. The > executable is Ghost and once opened it will allow you to restore a drive. If > you have a spare drive around that you don't mind trashing you could use it > to get to your data. Another option would be to move the two files from your > external drive to the drive on the computer you are using, and then run the > exe from there and install the backup on your external drive. This option > could trash your current drive if you don't do it right. Not for the timid > by any means. That's about the best I can do for you. I will tell you I am > not a fan of Ghost and don't use it. All of my files are in the My Documents From ivancou at usachoice.net Sun Jul 18 17:39:16 2004 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:39:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Homelite Generator - Need Info References: <017a01c46b64$7092d870$e1f70cd1@VAIO><000801c46cd8$990083a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> <002701c46d0c$357742e0$dff70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <001401c46d28$d325b640$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Paul , no , I missed Georges reply . But it sounds like it might work out . Hope so . Hope the link is helpful , I had forgotten about the site . So today I was looking for info on a newer gen set and stumbled across it . Must've been more than two brain cells working at the same time as it clicked right away . Ivan From alanb2 at webtv.net Sun Jul 18 17:43:44 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:43:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters In-Reply-To: "Richard Strobel" 's message of Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:20:10 -0600 Message-ID: <11747-40FB1940-2196@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> Hi Rick, I got ta thinkin' about your hidden fuel filter question last night while I was out in my engine trailer trying to find the leak in my 1-1/2hp Herc. S gas tank. There is a filter (screen) on the end of the fuel pipe. Picture fine brass screen rolled up to fit into the end of the fuel pipe that screws into the tank. Then solder it into the pipe and fold and solder the end shut. Now when you screw the fuel line into the tank the filter isn't seen. I sure don't think anything that gets through that screen will hurt the engine. I dunno, but it has been there for a whole bunch of years,,,, Did Hercules put fuel screens in a lot of their tanks????? Yes,,,, I build check valves too,,,,, Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan ~~~~Richard?Strobel wrote~~~~~ Howdy List; ????I know some of you build your own checkvalves. Are there any home made, hidden fuel filters, that you learned about and were impressed with? What I've got to work with is 1/4" npt elbows and ~ 3 feet of 1/4" pipe. The sawrig uses a Lunk. Sawrig coming along nicely Thanks gang RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From pmaples at anaxis.net Sun Jul 18 18:55:15 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:55:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. New Home Wiring Questions Message-ID: <009501c46d33$724c9e00$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Ok you electrical guru's I am ringing your phone again. I am now 98% through with wiring my son's new home and I am now ready to start wiring the phone and satellite circuits and here is my questions: (1) I will be using CAT5 unshielded wire for the telephone circuits and RG-6 Quad Shield for the Satellite circuits. (2) Is it better to run separate boxes, that is a separate box for the phone wire and a separate box for the satellite circuits or just run both circuits in one box and install a modular outlet (multi-port outlets) If I use one box for both circuits I was thinking of getting a modular connector that would have (2) CAT5 jacks, one for the phone and one for the computer and then (1) RG-6 jack for the Satellite. (3) I am going to wire the telephone circuits with home runs from each box to the outside of the house. What type of termination box do I need to use on the outside to wire all of the home runs in? Do I need to have this available before they brick the house so they can mount it in the brick or do I just use a surface mount box after they finish the bricking? (4) I know that I need to keep the phone wires a minimum of 6" from any electrical circuit and preferably 12" but I assume it is ok to go past these circuits since they are in the same wall. I don't mean run parallel with them, just past them in the wall. I would appreciate any recommendations on wiring up the telephone and satellite TV circuits. Thanks, Paul From wilson at stny.rr.com Sun Jul 18 19:59:38 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:59:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song Message-ID: Can someone tell me the name or singer of the oldies song that goes something like this: A Cadillac was driving and a Nash came up behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP the Cadillac sped up but the Nash was still right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP Then the Cadillac hit 120, all it could go. The Nash was right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP Then the Nash came up along side of the Cadillac and asked "How do I get this thing out of second gear"? Thanks, Glenn From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Sun Jul 18 21:27:55 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:27:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] olds Message-ID: Hi Michael, the crank guard is missing as well as the carby but it is the same as the engine on page 358 in the brb of wendel's. it is the one in the top right hand corner. are the serial no stamped on the engine anyware? thanks for the quick reply dave in oz >From: "Michael Young" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] olds Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:49:12 +1000 > >Hi David, > >I dont pretend to be an expert on them but as I have 2 Olds engines, I have >tried to find out what I could over the years. Tell me what your engine is >and the exact details on your plate and I will tell you what I can. As far >as I know there is no one keeping a serial no. register of Olds engines and >there are no original factory records in captivity. There are a few Olds >specialists in the States (as in US of) who might care to identify >themselves and they might know something. > >If you have a pre Seager Olds Type A engine (i.e. Olds Gas Power Plate - >with B serial no. prefix.) it can probably be dated within a year or so. >They were made in the 1904/5 - 1910 era. The early engines - pre 1904 - >can >also be very roughly dated but I dont know about the Seager plated engines. > >I have a 12Hp type A ~1909 and a gearless 12hp ~1898/9 which has given me a >keen interest in this brand. > >Regards, > >Michael Young >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Nicolson" >To: >Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 6:47 PM >Subject: [SEL] olds > > > > hi everyone, just chasing a bit of imfo on a 3hp type a olds i picked up > > yesterday. any imfo would be appreciated. thanks in advance. dave in oz > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday and find love! > > http://mobilecentral.ninemsn.com.au/mclovehunt/lovehunt.aspx > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday and find love! http://mobilecentral.ninemsn.com.au/mclovehunt/lovehunt.aspx From rholtzer at earthlink.net Sun Jul 18 22:20:09 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:20:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down In-Reply-To: <001301c46cfe$e3466170$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> References: <021301c46c50$084c7b30$def70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040718220613.00a99130@mail.earthlink.net> True, Ghost can create an image file which may be used for backup, etc. Ghost will also clone disks using the Local>Disk>To Disk command. The source disk is copied to the destination per pages 33 and 34 of the manual (2001 version). The result is the same file structure on both disks. Ghost also allows disk creation from an image file, partition duplication, partition image file creation, and partition creation from an image file. Going back to Paul's original question and description, it may well be that he has a .gho image file. He can still hook up the drive and see what Windows Explorer indicates is present. If there are files other the .gho, it may be worth trying to open them. Bob Holtzer At 01:39 PM 7/18/2004 -0600, you wrote: >Paul, > >Norton Ghost makes a compressed image of your entire hard drive. The only >way to get the data back is using Ghost. I have a CD that has an image of a >laptop drive on it. The CD contains an executable and the ghost image. The >executable is Ghost and once opened it will allow you to restore a drive. If >you have a spare drive around that you don't mind trashing you could use it >to get to your data. Another option would be to move the two files from your >external drive to the drive on the computer you are using, and then run the >exe from there and install the backup on your external drive. This option >could trash your current drive if you don't do it right. Not for the timid >by any means. That's about the best I can do for you. I will tell you I am >not a fan of Ghost and don't use it. All of my files are in the My Documents >folder in their own subdirectories. I back them all up using an external DVD >burner. If I ever had a fatal crash my data is safe. Good luck. > >Jeff >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Paul Maples" >To: "Stationary Engine List" >Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 4:47 PM >Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help - Not Down > > > > Ok you computer guru's I need your help again. I am not completely stupid, > > almost but not quite there yet. I had enough sense about six months ago >when > > I was having computer trouble before to go out and buy a 60 gig external > > hard drive and using Norton Ghost a friend of mine came over and did a > > complete backup of my hard drive. He said the option he selected was such > > that I cannot just hook up the hard drive to my computer and pick and >choose > > the files I want, I have to completely download everything and this is all > > of the applications. He also said I would have to use Norton Ghost just to > > download the files again. > > > > Is there anyway I can hook up the external hard drive and see all of my > > files and then download just the ones I want or is what he said true, I >can > > only do a complete backup onto my computer of the information that is on >the > > external harddrive. Surely there is a way to see these files and to pull >off > > what I want. > > > > So there it is gang, the challenge for all of the computer guru's, and I >am > > confident that someone can tell me how to do this. By the way I now have > > Norton Internet Security on my computer which does not include > > Ghost.....does this make the challenge harder? > > > > I will appreciate any and all help you folks can give me and just maybe I > > might learn how to use this thing before I buy the farm as we say here in > > the South. > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From peter at loud-n-clear.net Mon Jul 19 02:13:07 2004 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:13:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I do remember the song, but not the singer, sadly. As I recall, part of the lyrics were "The bubble-car went beep-beep-beep" and "How do I get this thing out of passing gear?". A Google search turned up nothing for either version of the lyrics :-( In message , Glenn Wilson writes >Can someone tell me the name or singer of the oldies song that >goes something like this: > >A Cadillac was driving and a Nash came up behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP >the Cadillac sped up but the Nash was still right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP >Then the Cadillac hit 120, all it could go. >The Nash was right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP >Then the Nash came up along side of the Cadillac and asked >"How do I get this thing out of second gear"? > >Thanks, Glenn >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Peter Scales From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 19 02:29:12 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:29:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] olds Message-ID: hi michael, i got a tip on where to find the serial no and located it on top of the piston, it is 4994. just thought i'd add this to what i sent earlier. dave in oz >From: "Michael Young" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] olds Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:49:12 +1000 > >Hi David, > >I dont pretend to be an expert on them but as I have 2 Olds engines, I have >tried to find out what I could over the years. Tell me what your engine is >and the exact details on your plate and I will tell you what I can. As far >as I know there is no one keeping a serial no. register of Olds engines and >there are no original factory records in captivity. There are a few Olds >specialists in the States (as in US of) who might care to identify >themselves and they might know something. > >If you have a pre Seager Olds Type A engine (i.e. Olds Gas Power Plate - >with B serial no. prefix.) it can probably be dated within a year or so. >They were made in the 1904/5 - 1910 era. The early engines - pre 1904 - >can >also be very roughly dated but I dont know about the Seager plated engines. > >I have a 12Hp type A ~1909 and a gearless 12hp ~1898/9 which has given me a >keen interest in this brand. > >Regards, > >Michael Young >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Nicolson" >To: >Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 6:47 PM >Subject: [SEL] olds > > > > hi everyone, just chasing a bit of imfo on a 3hp type a olds i picked up > > yesterday. any imfo would be appreciated. thanks in advance. dave in oz > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday and find love! > > http://mobilecentral.ninemsn.com.au/mclovehunt/lovehunt.aspx > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Smart Saving with ING Direct ? earn 5.25% p.a. variable rate: http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/clk;7249209;8842331;n?http://www.ingdirect.com.au/burst6offer.asp?id=8 From prepair at easynet.co.uk Mon Jul 19 02:49:50 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:49:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:59:38 -0400, you wrote: >Can someone tell me the name or singer of the oldies song that >goes something like this: > >A Cadillac was driving and a Nash came up behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP >the Cadillac sped up but the Nash was still right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP >Then the Cadillac hit 120, all it could go. >The Nash was right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP >Then the Nash came up along side of the Cadillac and asked >"How do I get this thing out of second gear"? > >Thanks, Glenn Playmates, the Bubble Car Song, probably 1958-59. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From buggy1914 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 19 04:30:50 2004 From: buggy1914 at hotmail.com (Missy Holland) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 07:30:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Email Address Message-ID: My email address has changed. It is now buggy1914 at hotmail.com. Thanks, Missy Holland Gastonia, NC USA _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From bolhuis at amtelecom.net Mon Jul 19 04:39:10 2004 From: bolhuis at amtelecom.net (Bob & Sheila Bolhuis) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 07:39:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song References: Message-ID: <003a01c46d85$01c433d0$6500a8c0@EMACHINE> Here ya go Glenn http://www.science.uwaterloo.ca/~afleming/amc/beepbeep.html Bob Bob & Sheila Bolhuis RR#4 Aylmer , Ont, Can N5H-2R3 519-765-3337 From b2 at chooka.net Mon Jul 19 04:51:33 2004 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 06:51:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song References: Message-ID: <011401c46d86$bd466910$660aa8c0@BILLPC> Here ya go, Glenn! (chorus) Beep beep (sound of horn - beep beep!) Beep beep (beep beep) His horn went beep beep beep (beep beep) While riding in my Cadillac What to my surprise A little Nash Rambler was following me About one-third my size The guy must have wanted to pass me out As he kept on tooting his horn (beep beep) I'll show him that a Cadillac Is not a car to scorn (chorus) I pushed my foot down to the floor To give the guy the shake But the little Nash Rambler stayed right behind He still had on his brake He must have thought his car had more guts As he kept on tooting his horn (beep beep) I'll show him that a Cadillac Is not a car to scorn (chorus) My car went in to passing gear And we took off with gust And soon we were doing ninety Must have left him in the dust When I peeked in the mirror of my car I couldn't believe my eyes The little Nash Rambler was right behind You'd think that guy could fly (beep beep) Now we're doing a hundred and ten It certainly was a race For a Rambler to pass a Caddy Would be a big disgrace The guy must have wanted to pass me out As he kept on tooting his horn I'll show him that a Cadillac Is not a car to scorn (beep beep) Now we're doing a hundred and twenty As fast as I could go The Rambler pulled alongside of me As if we were going slow The fellow rolled his window down And yelled for me to hear "Hey buddy how can I get this car out... of... second gear!" B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, Minnesota USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: ".Newsgroup ATIS" Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 9:59 PM Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song > Can someone tell me the name or singer of the oldies song that > goes something like this: > > A Cadillac was driving and a Nash came up behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > the Cadillac sped up but the Nash was still right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > Then the Cadillac hit 120, all it could go. > The Nash was right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > Then the Nash came up along side of the Cadillac and asked > "How do I get this thing out of second gear"? > > Thanks, Glenn > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jul 19 05:00:24 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:00:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters References: <11747-40FB1940-2196@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <40FBB7D8.7080102@imc-group.com> Alan, Any thoughts on where to buy the fine brass screen you mentioned? I've never seen any in a hardware store but need to buy some for an engine Devin and I are working on. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Alan Bowen wrote: >Picture fine brass screen rolled up to fit into the end of the fuel pipe >that screws into the tank. Then solder it into the pipe and fold and >solder the end shut. > > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Jul 19 05:05:23 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:05:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] olds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200407191205.i6JC5KtC024764@heavyiron.atis.net> Hi Dave, Your engine would probably be identical to Ron Sullivan's engine. I cannot remember the engine number on his engine being anywhere other than on the plate but we will have a search of the engine when it is dug out of storage :) As a wild guess (from looking at lots of American engines) I would suggest looking at the ends of the crank, flywheel hubs, flywheel rims and faces, and on top of the cylinder. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Michael, the crank guard is missing as well as the carby but it is the same as the engine on page 358 in the brb of wendel's. it is the one in the top right hand corner. are the serial no stamped on the engine anyware? thanks for the quick reply dave in oz From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Jul 19 05:15:46 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:15:46 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fuel Savers Message-ID: <200407191215.i6JCFhWF026126@heavyiron.atis.net> Here is a question for all you clever engine guys. Were the fuel savers on hit and miss engines effective or just a marketing gimmick? Some manufacturers fitted fuel savers to their engines while others did not. Companies like IHC, Fuller & Johnson, and Stover used them while others such as R&V and Challenge did not. It would also be interesting to survey who used them and who did not. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Jul 19 06:22:01 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 07:22:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters References: <11747-40FB1940-2196@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Thanks Alan and Chuck. Seeings as how I'm going to use a "T" fitting at the mixer (where I'll put a tank drain), the plan is to roll up some fine mesh screen and stuff it in that fitting, using the long dimension. Thanks all for the help. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters > Hi Rick, > > I got ta thinkin' about your hidden fuel filter question last night > while I was out in my engine trailer trying to find the leak in my > 1-1/2hp Herc. S gas tank. There is a filter (screen) on the end of the > fuel pipe. > > Picture fine brass screen rolled up to fit into the end of the fuel pipe > that screws into the tank. Then solder it into the pipe and fold and > solder the end shut. > > Now when you screw the fuel line into the tank the filter isn't seen. > I sure don't think anything that gets through that screen will hurt the > engine. > > I dunno, but it has been there for a whole bunch of years,,,, Did > Hercules put fuel screens in a lot of their tanks????? > > Yes,,,, I build check valves too,,,,, > > Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net > Williamsburg, Michigan > > ~~~~Richard Strobel wrote~~~~~ > > Howdy List; > I know some of you build your own checkvalves. Are there any > home made, hidden fuel filters, that you learned about and were > impressed with? What I've got to work with is 1/4" npt elbows and ~ 3 > feet of 1/4" pipe. The sawrig uses a Lunk. > Sawrig coming along nicely > Thanks gang > RickinMt. > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Jul 19 06:53:51 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 06:53:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. New Home Wiring Questions In-Reply-To: <009501c46d33$724c9e00$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <200407191354.i6JDs00v014014@heavyiron.atis.net> Hi Paul, Use rings at the room locations rather than boxes.The modular idea is the way to go, up to 6 terminations at one location. Get a couple of interface weatherproof boxes from your phone and Tv cable Co and run all of the cables to them before you brick or close up the walls. The overhead or underground should terminate at the same location. Gota go to work, Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 6:55 PM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] O.T. New Home Wiring Questions Ok you electrical guru's I am ringing your phone again. I am now 98% through with wiring my son's new home and I am now ready to start wiring the phone and satellite circuits and here is my questions: (1) I will be using CAT5 unshielded wire for the telephone circuits and RG-6 Quad Shield for the Satellite circuits. (2) Is it better to run separate boxes, that is a separate box for the phone wire and a separate box for the satellite circuits or just run both circuits in one box and install a modular outlet (multi-port outlets) If I use one box for both circuits I was thinking of getting a modular connector that would have (2) CAT5 jacks, one for the phone and one for the computer and then (1) RG-6 jack for the Satellite. (3) I am going to wire the telephone circuits with home runs from each box to the outside of the house. What type of termination box do I need to use on the outside to wire all of the home runs in? Do I need to have this available before they brick the house so they can mount it in the brick or do I just use a surface mount box after they finish the bricking? (4) I know that I need to keep the phone wires a minimum of 6" from any electrical circuit and preferably 12" but I assume it is ok to go past these circuits since they are in the same wall. I don't mean run parallel with them, just past them in the wall. I would appreciate any recommendations on wiring up the telephone and satellite TV circuits. Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Jul 19 07:31:31 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:31:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song References: Message-ID: Here it is..play this to your teenage kids :-)) http://www.geocities.com/nashmetro_1961/beep.html RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Scales" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 3:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song > I do remember the song, but not the singer, sadly. As I recall, part of > the lyrics were "The bubble-car went beep-beep-beep" and "How do I get > this thing out of passing gear?". > > A Google search turned up nothing for either version of the lyrics :-( > > In message , Glenn > Wilson writes > >Can someone tell me the name or singer of the oldies song that > >goes something like this: > > > >A Cadillac was driving and a Nash came up behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > >the Cadillac sped up but the Nash was still right behind it BEEP BEEP > >BEEP > >Then the Cadillac hit 120, all it could go. > >The Nash was right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > >Then the Nash came up along side of the Cadillac and asked > >"How do I get this thing out of second gear"? > > > >Thanks, Glenn > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > Peter Scales > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BetCleve321 at aol.com Mon Jul 19 07:33:23 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:33:23 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song Message-ID: In a message dated 7/19/2004 10:23:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, peter at loud-n-clear.net writes: I do remember the song, but not the singer, sadly. As I recall, part of the lyrics were "The bubble-car went beep-beep-beep" and "How do I get this thing out of passing gear?". The Playmates did that one and the name of the song is 'The Little Nash Rambler'. Skip From MaytagTwin at aol.com Mon Jul 19 07:36:57 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:36:57 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song Message-ID: <5b.53cfcce0.2e2d3689@aol.com> In a message dated 7/19/2004 10:23:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, peter at loud-n-clear.net writes: > I do remember the song, but not the singer, sadly. As I recall, part of > the lyrics were "The bubble-car went beep-beep-beep" and "How do I get > this thing out of passing gear?". Here you go: pioneer Chuck Berry for his 1955 classic "Mabelline.". Regards, Ron Carroll From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 19 07:25:06 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Fuel Savers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Patrick, The headless Witte engines have a "fuel saver." Recall that the exhaust valve is operated from underneath the valve block by a walking beam. There's a roughly C-shaped piece that couples the exhaust valve to the intake valve at the top of the valve block. When the exhaust valve is held open by the walking beam, the fuel saver lifts the intake valve tightly against the valve seat. My opinion is that this was more a marketing gimmick than an engineering reality. This part is often missing on a headless Witte and I've never noticed any flutter of the intake valve when the engine was free wheeling with the exhaust valve open. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 19 Jul 2004, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > Here is a question for all you clever engine guys. Were the fuel savers on > hit and miss engines effective or just a marketing gimmick? > Some manufacturers fitted fuel savers to their engines while others did not. > Companies like IHC, Fuller & Johnson, and Stover used them while others such > as R&V and Challenge did not. It would also be interesting to survey who > used them and who did not. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Jul 19 07:45:34 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:45:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song References: Message-ID: <006801c46d9f$0c846f50$06856ad5@one> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Scales" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song > I do remember the song, but not the singer, sadly. As I recall, part of > the lyrics were "The bubble-car went beep-beep-beep" and "How do I get > this thing out of passing gear?". > A Google search turned up nothing for either version of the lyrics :-( > In message , Glenn > Wilson writes > >Can someone tell me the name or singer of the oldies song that > >goes something like this: Snip Google always finds what you want!! See http://www.elyrics4u.com/b/beep_beep_the_playmates.htm# Dave Croft Warrington England http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv British Map http://pub32.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=2692147218 World Map http://pub13.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=1064374771 From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 19 08:00:22 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:00:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004001c46da1$24f0f570$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> The artist: The Playmates (their specialty was novelty music, formed 1956, disbanded 1964, originally known as The Nitwits) The song: Beep Beep Composed by: Donald Claps & Carl Cicchetti (they were The Playmates) Song peaked at #4 in 1958 The lyrics: (very slowly) Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep While riding in my Cadillac What to my surprise A little Nash Rambler was following me About one third my size The guy musta wanted to pass me up As he kept on tooting his horn I'll show him that a Cadillac is not a car to scorn Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (slowly) I pushed my foot down to the floor To give the guy the shake But the little Nash Rambler stayed right behind He still had on his brake He musta thought his car had more guts As he kept on tooting his horn (beep beep) I'll show him that a Cadillac is not a car to scorn Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (normal speed) My car went into passing gear And we took off with gust (whoosh) Soon we were going ninety Musta left him in the dust When I peeked in the mirror of my car I couldn't believe my eyes The little Nash Rambler was right behind You'd think that guy could fly Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (quickly) Now we were doing a hundred and ten This certainly was a race For a Rambler to pass a Caddy Would be a big disgrace The guy musta wanted to pass me up As he kept on tooting his horn (beep beep) I'll show him that a Cadillac is not a car to scorn Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (very quickly) Now we're going a hundred twenty As fast as I can go The Rambler pulled along side of me As if we were going slow The fella rolled down his window And yelled for me to hear "Hey buddy how do I get this car outa second gear?" ------------------------ OK, so I'm an old AMC fan......... Above is the "U.S." version played on American radio. Peter is thinking of the UK version where they used "bubble car" because the BBC wouldn't allow songs played that contained "advertising" or corporate names. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Wilson Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 10:00 PM To: .Newsgroup ATIS Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song Can someone tell me the name or singer of the oldies song that goes something like this: A Cadillac was driving and a Nash came up behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP the Cadillac sped up but the Nash was still right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP Then the Cadillac hit 120, all it could go. The Nash was right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP Then the Nash came up along side of the Cadillac and asked "How do I get this thing out of second gear"? Thanks, Glenn _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From prepair at easynet.co.uk Mon Jul 19 08:33:11 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:33:11 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:13:07 +0100, you wrote: >I do remember the song, but not the singer, sadly. As I recall, part of >the lyrics were "The bubble-car went beep-beep-beep" and "How do I get >this thing out of passing gear?". > >A Google search turned up nothing for either version of the lyrics :-( It was the Playmates, and three separate versions were recorded. The wording was slightly different, "second gear" replacing "passing gear", Words are at: http://www.monologues.co.uk/Beep_Beep.htm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From falcon at telenet.net Mon Jul 19 08:33:25 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:33:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song References: Message-ID: <000701c46da5$bc32e520$345c14d0@net.telenet.net> It is "Beep Beep" by the Playmates. Released in 1958 through Roulette Records. I have it on MP3. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Scales" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song > I do remember the song, but not the singer, sadly. As I recall, part of > the lyrics were "The bubble-car went beep-beep-beep" and "How do I get > this thing out of passing gear?". > > A Google search turned up nothing for either version of the lyrics :-( > > In message , Glenn > Wilson writes > >Can someone tell me the name or singer of the oldies song that > >goes something like this: > > > >A Cadillac was driving and a Nash came up behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > >the Cadillac sped up but the Nash was still right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > >Then the Cadillac hit 120, all it could go. > >The Nash was right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > >Then the Nash came up along side of the Cadillac and asked > >"How do I get this thing out of second gear"? > > > >Thanks, Glenn > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > Peter Scales > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From yostsw at atis.net Mon Jul 19 08:34:28 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:34:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] List outage References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200> <200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200> <200406231816100593.1B13A373@192.168.2.200> <200406241145380078.1ED4722F@192.168.2.200> <200406241734500359.201437E1@192.168.2.200> <200407061438370953.14B4E57A@192.168.2.200> <200407092231060171.026123B2@192.168.2.200> Message-ID: <200407191134280218.038A5E84@192.168.2.200> I am going to be doing some maintenance on the list software, so the lists will be down for about 20 minutes. Sorry for any inconvenience, Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From b2 at chooka.net Mon Jul 19 08:50:00 2004 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:50:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song Message-ID: <001c01c46da8$0cc16230$690a0a0a@BILLPC> Here ya go, Glenn! I sent this once this morning about 4 hours ago and haven't seen it posted yet so will re-send. BEEP BEEP The Playmates (very slowly) Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep While riding in my Cadillac What to my surprise A little Nash Rambler was following me About one third my size The guy musta wanted to pass me up As he kept on tooting his horn I'll show him that a Cadillac is not a car to scorn Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (slowly) I pushed my foot down to the floor To give the guy the shake But the little Nash Rambler stayed right behind He still had on his brake He musta thought his car had more guts As he kept on tooting his horn (beep beep) I'll show him that a Cadillac is not a car to scorn Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (normal speed) My car went into passing gear And we took off with gust (whoosh) Soon we were going ninety Musta left him in the dust When I peeked in the mirror of my car I couldn't believe my eyes The little Nash Rambler was right behind You'd think that guy could fly Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (quickly) Now we were doing a hundred and ten This certainly was a race For a Rambler to pass a Caddy Would be a big disgrace The guy musta wanted to pass me up As he kept on tooting his horn (beep beep) I'll show him that a Cadillac is not a car to scorn Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (very quickly) Now we're going a hundred twenty As fast as I can go The Rambler pulled along side of me As if we were going slow The fella rolled down his window And yelled for me to hear "Hey buddy how do I get this car out... of... second gear!" B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, Minnesota USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > > > Can someone tell me the name or singer of the oldies song that > > goes something like this: > > > > A Cadillac was driving and a Nash came up behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > > the Cadillac sped up but the Nash was still right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > > Then the Cadillac hit 120, all it could go. > > The Nash was right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > > Then the Nash came up along side of the Cadillac and asked > > "How do I get this thing out of second gear"? > > > > Thanks, Glenn > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From kerogas at the-i.net Mon Jul 19 09:22:20 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:22:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Response Time - Is there a Problem? References: <1d3.26168ad3.2e29dd20@aol.com><00e501c46c26$2528bb80$f41be204@clinton> <6vpif05nvtp77oddeg1kjobeoktc1vunb0@4ax.com> Message-ID: <007101c46dac$9170ae60$07905841@oemcomputer> Remember when you used to have to wait for a person with a fuel saver to show up at a show to ask for measurements ? THAT ........was slow . From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Mon Jul 19 09:44:01 2004 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 02:14:01 +0930 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song References: Message-ID: <000d01c46daf$9b1ed510$18c68890@chaos> here you go http://lp2cd.com/time/MP3/the_playmates--beep_beep040328.mp3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Scales" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song > I do remember the song, but not the singer, sadly. As I recall, part of > the lyrics were "The bubble-car went beep-beep-beep" and "How do I get > this thing out of passing gear?". > > A Google search turned up nothing for either version of the lyrics :-( > > In message , Glenn > Wilson writes > >Can someone tell me the name or singer of the oldies song that > >goes something like this: > > > >A Cadillac was driving and a Nash came up behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > >the Cadillac sped up but the Nash was still right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > >Then the Cadillac hit 120, all it could go. > >The Nash was right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > >Then the Nash came up along side of the Cadillac and asked > >"How do I get this thing out of second gear"? > > > >Thanks, Glenn > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > Peter Scales > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 19 09:56:58 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:56:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song In-Reply-To: <000d01c46daf$9b1ed510$18c68890@chaos> Message-ID: <005101c46db1$7448bee0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Now isn't that weird, I posted a response probably 2 hours ago - have yet to see it. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of derek Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 11:44 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song here you go http://lp2cd.com/time/MP3/the_playmates--beep_beep040328.mp3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Scales" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song > I do remember the song, but not the singer, sadly. As I recall, part > of the lyrics were "The bubble-car went beep-beep-beep" and "How do I > get this thing out of passing gear?". > > A Google search turned up nothing for either version of the lyrics :-( > > In message , Glenn > Wilson writes > >Can someone tell me the name or singer of the oldies song that goes > >something like this: > > > >A Cadillac was driving and a Nash came up behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > >the Cadillac sped up but the Nash was still right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > >Then the Cadillac hit 120, all it could go. > >The Nash was right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > >Then the Nash came up along side of the Cadillac and asked "How do I > >get this thing out of second gear"? > > > >Thanks, Glenn _______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > Peter Scales > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at the-i.net Mon Jul 19 10:02:08 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:02:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song References: Message-ID: <009901c46db2$20feeb00$07905841@oemcomputer> Will trade a copy of Beep Beep by the Playmates for an MP3 of Charlton Heston reading the forward from Jurassic Park . This week I am learning Bachs Fugue in G , thats an old song Dom Dom Dom duh dom de dum de dum de dum Many Happy Etudes , Dudes Chuck B From greatness99 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 19 10:13:27 2004 From: greatness99 at hotmail.com (George Vaughan) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:13:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song Message-ID: Hello Glenn. I used google.com and found this site. The name of the group that you are looking for is the PLAYMATES. http://www.science.uwaterloo.ca/~afleming/amc/beepbeep.html From: "Glenn Wilson" To: ".Newsgroup ATIS" Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:59:38 -0400 Can someone tell me the name or singer of the oldies song that goes something like this: Beep Beep Thanks, Glenn _________________________________________________________________ Planning a family vacation? Check out the MSN Family Travel guide! http://dollar.msn.com From adpnaut at earthlink.net Mon Jul 19 10:45:59 2004 From: adpnaut at earthlink.net (Don Riedel) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:45:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song References: <009901c46db2$20feeb00$07905841@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <003b01c46db8$43eaae00$8aee79a5@usal4devhpa4ad> And the complete lyrics.... They start painfully slow, dragging each word, and speed up with each verse. By the end, it's a very fast tempo. I assume from the chart info that was already posted that it's a tribute to the 1957 Rebel, but I'm just guessing... Beep beep Beep beep His horn went beep beep beep While riding in my Cadillac What to my surprise A little Nash Rambler was following me About one-third my size The guy must have wanted to pass me out As he kept on tooting his horn I'll show him that a Cadillac Is not a car to scorn I pushed my foot down to the floor To give the guy the shake But the little Nash Rambler stayed right behind He still had on his brake He must have thought his car had more guts As he kept on tooting his horn I'll show him that a Cadillac Is not a car to scorn My car went in to passing gear And we took off with gust And soon we were doing ninety Must have left him in the dust When I peeked in the mirror of my car I couldn't believe my eyes The little Nash Rambler was right behind You'd think that guy could fly Now we're doing a hundred and ten It certainly was a race For a Rambler to pass a Caddy Would be a big disgrace The guy must have wanted to pass me out As he kept on tooting his horn I'll show him that a Cadillac Is not a car to scorn Now we're doing a hundred and twenty As fast as I could go The Rambler pulled alongside of me As if we were going slow The fellow rolled his window down And yelled for me to hear "Hey buddy how can I get this car out... of... second gear!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song > Will trade a copy of Beep Beep by the Playmates for an MP3 of > Charlton Heston reading the forward from Jurassic Park . > This week I am learning Bachs Fugue in G , thats an old song > Dom Dom Dom duh dom de dum de dum de dum > > > Many Happy Etudes , > Dudes > Chuck B > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jul 19 10:54:42 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:54:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - Funny vehicle maintenance stories Message-ID: <40FC0AE2.1000300@imc-group.com> Hope you find this humorous! Just for some light fun, what funny automotive maintenance stories can you all tell? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC The Oil Change Oil Change instructions for Women: 1) Pull up to Jiffy Lube when the mileage reaches 3000 miles since the last oil change. 2) Drink a cup of coffee. 3) 30 minutes later write a check and leave with a properly maintained vehicle. Money spent: Oil Change $20.00 Coffee $1.00 Total $21.00 * * * * * * * * * * Oil Change instructions for Men: 1) Wait until Saturday, drive to auto parts store and buy a case of oil, filter, kitty litter, hand cleaner and a scented tree, write a check for $50.00. 2) Stop by 7 - 11 and buy a case of beer, write a check for $20.00, drive home. 3) Open a beer and drink it. 4) Jack car up. Spend 30 minutes looking for jack stands. 5) Find jack stands under kid's pedal car. 6) In frustration, open another beer and drink it. 7) Place drain pan under engine. 8) Look for 9/16 box end wrench. 9) Give up and use crescent wrench. 10) Unscrew drain plug. 11) Drop drain plug in pan of hot oil: splash hot oil on face and arms in process. Cuss. 12) Crawl out from under car to wipe hot oil off face and arms. Throw kitty litter on spilled oil. 13) Have another beer while watching oil drain. 14) Spend 30 minutes looking for oil filter wrench. 15) Give up; crawl under car and hammer a screwdriver through oil filter and twist off. 16) Crawl out from under car with dripping oil filter splashing oil everywhere from holes. Cleverly hide old oil filter among trash in trash can to avoid environmental penalties. Drink a beer. 17) Buddy shows up; finish case of beer with him. Decide to finish oil change tomorrow so you can go see his new garage door opener work. 18) Sunday: Skip church because "I gotta finish the oil change". Drag pan full of old oil out from underneath car. Cleverly dump oil in hole in back yard instead of taking it to recycle. 19) Throw kitty litter on oil spilled during step 18. 20) Beer. No, drank it all yesterday. 21) Walk to 7 - 11; buy beer. 22) Install new oil filter making sure to apply a thin coat of oil to gasket surface. 23) Dump first quart of fresh oil into engine. 24) Remember drain plug from step 11. 25) Hurry to find drain plug in drain pan. 26) Remember that the used oil is buried in a hole in the back yard along with drain plug. 27) Drink beer 28) Shovel out hole and sift oily mud for drain plug. Re-shovel oily patch of ground and avoid environmental penalties.. Wash drain plug in lawn mower gas. 29) Discover that first quart of fresh oil is now on the floor. Throw kitty litter on oil spill. 39) Drink beer. 31) Crawl under car getting kitty litter into eyes. Wipe eyes with oilyrag used to clean drain plug. Slip with stupid crescent wrench tightening drain plug and bang knuckles on frame. 32) Bang head on floorboards in reaction to step 31. 33. Begin cussing fit. 34) Throw stupid crescent wrench. 35) Cuss for additional 10 minutes because wrench hit Miss August in the left boob. 36. Beer. 37) Clean up hands and forehead and bandage as required to stop blood flow. 38) Beer. 39) Beer 40) Dump in five fresh quarts of oil. 41) Beer. 42) Lower car from jack stands. 43) Accidentally crush remaining case of new motor oil. 44) Move car back to apply more kitty litter to fresh oil spilled during steps 23-43. 45) Beer. 46) Test drive car. 47) Get pulled over: arrested for driving under the influence. 48) Car gets impounded. 49) Call loving wife, make bail. 50) 12 hours later, get car from impound yard. Money spent: Parts $50.00 DUI $2500.00 Impound fee $75.00 Bail $1500.00 Beer $40.00 Total -- $4615.00 From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jul 19 11:02:27 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:02:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag flywheel help needed. Message-ID: <40FC0CB3.5090901@imc-group.com> Ye Maytag experts.... I need some advice on removing the flywheel on a Maytag twin. Wife friend volunteered me for painting a twin for the Charity Auction this year and I am taking apart my first (and hopefully last) Maytag. I made the assumption that the flywheel is a tapered fit like a Briggs, and with the nut loose have tapped it with a brass hammer while gently pressing behind the flywheel. But I don't want to break anything..... Am I going about this the correct way? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From rholtzer at earthlink.net Mon Jul 19 11:07:47 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:07:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. New Home Wiring Questions In-Reply-To: <009501c46d33$724c9e00$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040719110640.00bd42a0@mail.earthlink.net> Paul, I don't have any electrical suggestions but if you want Ghost please contact me off list. I have the 2001 version with manual I'd be happy to loan you for a while. Bob Holtzer At 08:55 PM 7/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Ok you electrical guru's I am ringing your phone again. > >I am now 98% through with wiring my son's new home and I am now ready to >start wiring the phone and satellite circuits and here is my questions: > >(1) I will be using CAT5 unshielded wire for the telephone circuits and RG-6 >Quad Shield for the Satellite circuits. >(2) Is it better to run separate boxes, that is a separate box for the phone >wire and a separate box for the satellite circuits or just run both circuits >in one > box and install a modular outlet (multi-port outlets) If I use one box >for both circuits I was thinking of getting a modular connector that would >have > (2) CAT5 jacks, one for the phone and one for the computer and then (1) >RG-6 jack for the Satellite. >(3) I am going to wire the telephone circuits with home runs from each box >to the outside of the house. What type of termination box do I need to use > on the outside to wire all of the home runs in? Do I need to have this >available before they brick the house so they can mount it in the brick or >do I > just use a surface mount box after they finish the bricking? >(4) I know that I need to keep the phone wires a minimum of 6" from any >electrical circuit and preferably 12" but I assume it is ok to go past these >circuits > since they are in the same wall. I don't mean run parallel with them, >just past them in the wall. > >I would appreciate any recommendations on wiring up the telephone and >satellite TV circuits. > >Thanks, > >Paul > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 19 11:30:03 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytag flywheel help needed. In-Reply-To: <40FC0CB3.5090901@imc-group.com> References: <40FC0CB3.5090901@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, You have recognized the flaw in your approach. No, you are not going about the disassembly in the right way. You should take the largest wood-splitting maul you can find and apply it between the flywheel and case with a full overhead downward swing. It's best done on a concrete surface so that no energy is lost burying the motor in the ground with the blow. Good luck with your project. See ya, Arnie On Mon, 19 Jul 2004, Curt Holland wrote: > Ye Maytag experts.... > > I need some advice on removing the flywheel on a Maytag twin. Wife > friend volunteered me for painting a twin for the Charity Auction this > year and I am taking apart my first (and hopefully last) Maytag. > > I made the assumption that the flywheel is a tapered fit like a Briggs, > and with the nut loose have tapped it with a brass hammer while gently > pressing behind the flywheel. But I don't want to break anything..... > > Am I going about this the correct way? From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 19 11:46:47 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:46:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song In-Reply-To: <003b01c46db8$43eaae00$8aee79a5@usal4devhpa4ad> Message-ID: <006701c46dc0$c6e98e40$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> And anyone who believes that AMC's can't go fast, let's just say that there are growing numbers of folks who take their old Ramblers and squeeze 12 and 13 second quarter mile runs out of them. Wanna impress your girlfriend - http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=248469704 2&category=5357 And this from a fellow who drives a bit milder Gremmie with a 360: 360 Gremlin: 11.52 @ 111 < on: Jul 11th, 2004, 3:14pm > We had better traction today, and car responded with the best ET to date: 11.52. 60 foot times still suffer a lot, as the slicks are not here yet, but the 60 foot for the above run was: 1.673. ------------------------------- I suspect he WAS out of second gear, however......... Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Don Riedel Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 12:46 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song And the complete lyrics.... They start painfully slow, dragging each word, and speed up with each verse. By the end, it's a very fast tempo. I assume from the chart info that was already posted that it's a tribute to the 1957 Rebel, but I'm just guessing... Beep beep Beep beep His horn went beep beep beep While riding in my Cadillac What to my surprise A little Nash Rambler was following me About one-third my size The guy must have wanted to pass me out As he kept on tooting his horn I'll show him that a Cadillac Is not a car to scorn I pushed my foot down to the floor To give the guy the shake But the little Nash Rambler stayed right behind He still had on his brake He must have thought his car had more guts As he kept on tooting his horn I'll show him that a Cadillac Is not a car to scorn My car went in to passing gear And we took off with gust And soon we were doing ninety Must have left him in the dust When I peeked in the mirror of my car I couldn't believe my eyes The little Nash Rambler was right behind You'd think that guy could fly Now we're doing a hundred and ten It certainly was a race For a Rambler to pass a Caddy Would be a big disgrace The guy must have wanted to pass me out As he kept on tooting his horn I'll show him that a Cadillac Is not a car to scorn Now we're doing a hundred and twenty As fast as I could go The Rambler pulled alongside of me As if we were going slow The fellow rolled his window down And yelled for me to hear "Hey buddy how can I get this car out... of... second gear!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song > Will trade a copy of Beep Beep by the Playmates for an MP3 of > Charlton Heston reading the forward from Jurassic Park . This week I > am learning Bachs Fugue in G , thats an old song Dom Dom Dom duh dom > de dum de dum de dum > > > Many Happy Etudes , > Dudes > Chuck B > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Mon Jul 19 12:02:30 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:02:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag flywheel help needed. Message-ID: <000e01c46dc2$f1aac480$70680b42@gnarmstrong> Curt, Gentle is the correct word. I broke the end off of a twin Maytag doing just that. I think Maytag Mark told me the twins were bad for that, apparently the heat treating process on the cranks of the twins was poorer than that on the singles. That was Mark's judgement. Caution is the defining operative. Good Luck. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Curt Holland To: SEL(new) Date: Monday, July 19, 2004 1:15 PM Subject: [SEL] Maytag flywheel help needed. >Ye Maytag experts.... > >I need some advice on removing the flywheel on a Maytag twin. Wife >friend volunteered me for painting a twin for the Charity Auction this >year and I am taking apart my first (and hopefully last) Maytag. > >I made the assumption that the flywheel is a tapered fit like a Briggs, >and with the nut loose have tapped it with a brass hammer while gently >pressing behind the flywheel. But I don't want to break anything..... > >Am I going about this the correct way? > >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mtucker at uky.edu Mon Jul 19 11:47:01 2004 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:47:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag flywheel help needed. In-Reply-To: <40FC0CB3.5090901@imc-group.com> References: <40FC0CB3.5090901@imc-group.com> Message-ID: >Am I going about this the correct way? More or less. Maytag Mark suggested to me to hold the engine a few inches off the ground by the flywheel (hold it horizontally). With the nut loosely on the crankshaft, have Devon tap on the nut and it should pop right off. See ya', Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 19 11:05:25 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:05:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song References: Message-ID: <000901c46dba$f8406190$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> By the Playmates (very slowly) Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep While riding in my Cadillac What to my surprise A little Nash Rambler was following me About one third my size The guy musta wanted to pass me up As he kept on tooting his horn I'll show him that a Cadillac is not a car to scorn Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (slowly) I pushed my foot down to the floor To give the guy the shake But the little Nash Rambler stayed right behind He still had on his brake He musta thought his car had more guts As he kept on tooting his horn (beep beep) I'll show him that a Cadillac is not a car to scorn Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (normal speed) My car went into passing gear And we took off with gust (whoosh) Soon we were going ninety Musta left him in the dust When I peeked in the mirror of my car I couldn't believe my eyes The little Nash Rambler was right behind You'd think that guy could fly Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (quickly) Now we were doing a hundred and ten This certainly was a race For a Rambler to pass a Caddy Would be a big disgrace The guy musta wanted to pass me up As he kept on tooting his horn (beep beep) I'll show him that a Cadillac is not a car to scorn Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (very quickly) Now we're going a hundred twenty As fast as I can go The Rambler pulled along side of me As if we were going slow The fella rolled down his window And yelled for me to hear "Hey buddy how do I get this car outa second gear?" Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: ".Newsgroup ATIS" Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 9:59 PM Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song > Can someone tell me the name or singer of the oldies song that > goes something like this: > > A Cadillac was driving and a Nash came up behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > the Cadillac sped up but the Nash was still right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > Then the Cadillac hit 120, all it could go. > The Nash was right behind it BEEP BEEP BEEP > Then the Nash came up along side of the Cadillac and asked > "How do I get this thing out of second gear"? > > Thanks, Glenn > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 19 12:16:31 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:16:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - anyone here from Ohio? In-Reply-To: <000e01c46dc2$f1aac480$70680b42@gnarmstrong> Message-ID: <007501c46dc4$ee556d10$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> More specifically, anyone near Painesville, Ohio? IF Barbara approves, I may consider a car on ebay, however, it's in Ohio and I doin't like to buy unless somone has looked it over that I'd trust. Bill Runnells, Iowa From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 19 12:36:21 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:36:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag flywheel help needed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007f01c46dc7$b18af550$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> That's pretty much how I do it. Put the nut on the shaft so it's flush. Too far and you risk mushrooming the shaft, not far enough and you'll drive the nut on and ruin threads. Should take only a good solid tap. If you go STRAIGHT at the end if the shaft, not at any angle, it should be fine. I understand a list member has developed a special Maytag flywheel puller. It's shown on his web site.............. Anyone have the link to Dave's special Maytag flywheel tool? Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tucker Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 1:47 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag flywheel help needed. >Am I going about this the correct way? More or less. Maytag Mark suggested to me to hold the engine a few inches off the ground by the flywheel (hold it horizontally). With the nut loosely on the crankshaft, have Devon tap on the nut and it should pop right off. See ya', Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Mon Jul 19 12:49:11 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:49:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song References: <009901c46db2$20feeb00$07905841@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <003501c46dc9$76d76c20$215c14d0@net.telenet.net> For yourself or friends? I always thought the first notes were..... dumb,dumb,dumb, he dumb, he dumb, he dumb........ Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song > Will trade a copy of Beep Beep by the Playmates for an MP3 of > Charlton Heston reading the forward from Jurassic Park . > This week I am learning Bachs Fugue in G , thats an old song > Dom Dom Dom duh dom de dum de dum de dum > > > Many Happy Etudes , > Dudes > Chuck B > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 19 13:40:41 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:40:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FW: Your message to Mailman awaits moderator approval Message-ID: <009001c46dd0$aa069600$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> WOW - I guess I'm no longer a member??? See, it even went to the right email I've been using. Have I been kicked off the list? Bill -----Original Message----- From: mailman-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com [mailto:mailman-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 2:37 PM To: bill at antique-engines.com Subject: Your message to Mailman awaits moderator approval Your mail to 'Mailman' with the subject RE: [SEL] Maytag flywheel help needed. Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Jul 19 14:20:22 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:20:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song In-Reply-To: <000d01c46daf$9b1ed510$18c68890@chaos> References: <000d01c46daf$9b1ed510$18c68890@chaos> Message-ID: <71D9C162-D9C9-11D8-B605-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> That's pretty funny! John On Jul 19, 2004, at 12:44 PM, derek wrote: > here you go > http://lp2cd.com/time/MP3/the_playmates--beep_beep040328.mp3 John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Jul 19 14:22:35 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:22:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song In-Reply-To: <009901c46db2$20feeb00$07905841@oemcomputer> References: <009901c46db2$20feeb00$07905841@oemcomputer> Message-ID: > This week I am learning Bachs Fugue in G , thats an old song > Dom Dom Dom duh dom de dum de dum de dum Can't help you with that one. This week I've been working on "Ain't No Sunshine When She's Gone" and "I just Want To Make Love To You." Couple more good old classics. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From wilson at stny.rr.com Mon Jul 19 14:31:58 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:31:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT -THanks to all for the Nash BEEP BEEP BEEP song info! Message-ID: I am amazed at how many people hunted down information about that song and emailed me back! I never expected anywhere near as many replys..... Thanks to all of you.. Glenn From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 19 14:42:52 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:42:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FW: Your message to Mailman awaits moderator approval In-Reply-To: <009001c46dd0$aa069600$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <00a301c46dd9$59e4bc70$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> HA - even this one got that same reply back! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Dickerson Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 3:41 PM To: Atis Engine List Subject: [SEL] FW: Your message to Mailman awaits moderator approval WOW - I guess I'm no longer a member??? See, it even went to the right email I've been using. Have I been kicked off the list? Bill -----Original Message----- From: mailman-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com [mailto:mailman-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 2:37 PM To: bill at antique-engines.com Subject: Your message to Mailman awaits moderator approval Your mail to 'Mailman' with the subject RE: [SEL] Maytag flywheel help needed. Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldiron at charter.net Mon Jul 19 15:39:39 2004 From: oldiron at charter.net (Myron Busch) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:39:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. New Home Wiring Questions References: <009501c46d33$724c9e00$e1f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <005e01c46de1$4776e560$6401a8c0@myron> This is what I suggest for communications wiring, telephone, cable for a lot of items. Install plastic conduit, the bigger the better that will fit in the space, one inch or 3/4 inch. Then with accessible pull boxes you can change cables and up grade as needed for the future. Just how many homes have flat 300 ohm twin lead for television that is no longer used. If they used conduit then you could pull out the 300 ohm and install the most modern high efficient cable. Over time technology will change and maybe you would like to add closed circuit TV. Using conduit you can place the runs away from the electrical line's preventing crosstalk and spikes in the communications lines. Just a thought. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 8:55 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. New Home Wiring Questions > Ok you electrical guru's I am ringing your phone again. > > I am now 98% through with wiring my son's new home and I am now ready to > start wiring the phone and satellite circuits and here is my questions: From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Jul 19 16:01:55 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:01:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Rollag Message-ID: <004101c46de4$634d5500$06856ad5@one> I received this from the steam list that is on ATIS. Thought some of you would be interested in the sad news. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'Steam-engine mailing list'" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:34 AM Subject: [Steam-engine] Bad news from Rollag > Last night I received the following message from my brother. He got the > information from his daughter who lives in Moorhead, Minnesota. > Orrin ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Bad news at Rollag. Tornado went thru last Friday, tens of thousands of > dollars in damage. The huge shed housing the threshing machines had been > hurt in a previous storm. Demolished in this one and moved many feet. Some of the machines destroyed, I think maybe the oldest, wooden ones. > "Others badly damaged. Other buildings also damaged. I assume that trees > were hurt too. Plans are to have the Reunion as scheduled, if volunteers > turn out in sufficient numbers to do all the work." > Orrin Iseminger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This is news to me so I thought I should cross post it! Dave Croft Warrington England http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv British Map http://pub32.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=2692147218 World Map http://pub13.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=1064374771 From alanb2 at webtv.net Mon Jul 19 16:50:00 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:50:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters In-Reply-To: Curt Holland 's message of Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:00:24 -0400 Message-ID: <4324-40FC5E28-5067@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net> Hi Curt, I am very sorry to say I have no idea where to buy fine screen like that. I was wondering the same thing. I really liked what I found there. I have run that engine many days at shows and I had no idea there was a screen like that keeping crud out of the mixer. I am putting together another Hercules that is ten years older. It is a model E 1-1/2 hp. I want to give it a filter just like it's newer cousin. 8>)) I just ordered the tank and fuel line that goes from the tank to the mixer from Hit-N-Miss. I wonder if the pipe will have a screen attached,,,,,, 8>)) Normally I would just make up the fuel line and check valve, but I am working so many hours now I would much rather just install the parts. SO,,,, Anybody know where to buy VERY fine mesh brass scee???? Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan ~~~~~Curt?Holland wrote~~~~~~ Alan, Any thoughts on where to buy the fine brass screen you mentioned? I've never seen any in a hardware store but need to buy some for an engine Devin and I are working on. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Alan Bowen wrote: Picture fine brass screen rolled up to fit into the end of the fuel pipe that screws into the tank. Then solder it into the pipe and fold and solder the end shut. Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From ELIDAS at aol.com Mon Jul 19 16:53:55 2004 From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:53:55 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song Message-ID: <145.2ea3e3ce.2e2db913@aol.com> Beep Beep has a special significance for me. The Playmates were a local group (so I'm told) and the place I work at was a Rambler dealer . Mike Semanoff Waterbury,Ct From carriagehillfarm at att.net Mon Jul 19 17:17:52 2004 From: carriagehillfarm at att.net (Jim Fisk) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:17:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Little Nash Rambler Message-ID: Try http://www.geocities.com/nashmetro_1961/beep.html it even has a sound file of the song. Also http://sniff.numachi.com/~rickheit/dtrad/pages/tiBEEPBEEP.html Jim & Elaine Fisk Carriage Hill Farm North Branch, MN carriagehillfarm at att.net --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.723 / Virus Database: 479 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 19 17:20:26 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:20:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song In-Reply-To: <145.2ea3e3ce.2e2db913@aol.com> Message-ID: <00bf01c46def$5cb3e000$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> You are from where they were from, you are correct. They started as "the nitwits". Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of ELIDAS at aol.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 6:54 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - would like help with an old song Beep Beep has a special significance for me. The Playmates were a local group (so I'm told) and the place I work at was a Rambler dealer . Mike Semanoff Waterbury,Ct _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Mon Jul 19 17:33:53 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 0:33:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters Message-ID: <3948se$3uund0@mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net> > Alan, > Any thoughts on where to buy the fine brass screen you mentioned? I've > never seen any in a hardware store but need to buy some for an engine > Devin and I are working on. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > Curt, go to an auto parts store that's been around a while and look at the screens for A/C expansion valves, Chuck may have some hanging around. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From jbcast at charter.net Mon Jul 19 17:58:30 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 0:58:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing Message-ID: <3a57rt$3o8p5t@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> I took the mixer of my 12hp Herc throttle governed this weekend, it was overspeeding, over 300 with the throttle shut down. The butterfly looks to be home made, soldered in. It didn't fit very closed when shut so I worked on it a while and got it to shut fairly tight. I put it together and it ran about 325 on the governor, when throttled down it would die. I took it down and when the throttle was closed it blocked the fuel tube. I drilled a small hole where the tube met the butterfly, I can now slow it down to about 200 rpm s in the slow position. Still a lot faster than I would like, I'll have to work on it some more. What kind of speeds can I expect from an engine like this? J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 19 18:07:39 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 20:07:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing In-Reply-To: <3a57rt$3o8p5t@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <00cb01c46df5$f5af2d90$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Can't say on the Herc, but some mixers and modern carbs use a throttle plate that is NOT round. It closes the passage, but is not straight up and down, or perpendicular to the throat. This way it won't close off the fuel tube. In other words, on many engines, the throttle when closed will be at a slight angle - they are egg-shaped rather than round, to accomplish this. IF that one is home-made, it might be round instead. Might take a think on that - see how they are with the engines that list members have. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jbcast at charter.net Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 7:59 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing I took the mixer of my 12hp Herc throttle governed this weekend, it was overspeeding, over 300 with the throttle shut down. The butterfly looks to be home made, soldered in. It didn't fit very closed when shut so I worked on it a while and got it to shut fairly tight. I put it together and it ran about 325 on the governor, when throttled down it would die. I took it down and when the throttle was closed it blocked the fuel tube. I drilled a small hole where the tube met the butterfly, I can now slow it down to about 200 rpm s in the slow position. Still a lot faster than I would like, I'll have to work on it some more. What kind of speeds can I expect from an engine like this? J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Mon Jul 19 18:53:01 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 1:53:01 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing Message-ID: <3a57qo$3qgn81@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net> > > From: "Bill Dickerson" > Date: 2004/07/20 Tue AM 01:07:39 GMT > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Can't say on the Herc, but some mixers and modern carbs use a throttle plate > that is NOT round. > It closes the passage, but is not straight up and down, or perpendicular to > the throat. This way it won't close off the fuel tube. > In other words, on many engines, the throttle when closed will be at a > slight angle - they are egg-shaped rather than round, to accomplish this. IF > that one is home-made, it might be round instead. > > Might take a think on that - see how they are with the engines that list > members have. > > Bill Bill, this one looked like a football, it was touching at the points, rounding them off a little made it seat a lot better. It is still at a noticeable angle when closed, probably 15 or 20 degrees. The fuel tube is at the top of the throat and the butterfly closes toward it, when closed there was no airflow through the tube and the engine would lean out.Restricting the intake like a choke would keep it running. J.B. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Jul 19 18:57:12 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:57:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Fuel Savers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200407200157.i6K1v8X3032723@heavyiron.atis.net> Hi Arnie, I suspect that the fuel savers are a bit of a gimmick. A good intake valve spring will prevent any flutter on the missing strokes. The fuel saver seems to be the first part discarded off the F-M T engines as very few still have them on the engine. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Patrick, The headless Witte engines have a "fuel saver." Recall that the exhaust valve is operated from underneath the valve block by a walking beam. There's a roughly C-shaped piece that couples the exhaust valve to the intake valve at the top of the valve block. When the exhaust valve is held open by the walking beam, the fuel saver lifts the intake valve tightly against the valve seat. My opinion is that this was more a marketing gimmick than an engineering reality. This part is often missing on a headless Witte and I've never noticed any flutter of the intake valve when the engine was free wheeling with the exhaust valve open. See ya, Arnie From pmaples at anaxis.net Mon Jul 19 19:06:42 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:06:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. New Home Wiring Questions References: <009501c46d33$724c9e00$e1f70cd1@VAIO> <005e01c46de1$4776e560$6401a8c0@myron> Message-ID: <002001c46dfe$36557ef0$c5f70cd1@VAIO> Myron, that is an excellent idea. Thanks, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myron Busch" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. New Home Wiring Questions > This is what I suggest for communications wiring, telephone, cable for a lot of items. > > Install plastic conduit, the bigger the better that will fit in the space, one inch or 3/4 inch. Then with accessible pull boxes you > can change cables and up grade as needed for the future. > > Just how many homes have flat 300 ohm twin lead for television that is no longer used. If they used conduit then you could pull out > the 300 ohm and install the most modern high efficient cable. Over time technology will change and maybe you would like to add > closed circuit TV. Using conduit you can place the runs away from the electrical line's preventing crosstalk and spikes in the > communications lines. > > Just a thought. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul From pmaples at anaxis.net Mon Jul 19 19:08:33 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:08:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. New Home Wiring Questions References: <200407191354.i6JDs00v014014@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <003601c46dfe$78292660$c5f70cd1@VAIO> Jim what are you calling rings? not sure I understand what they are. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 8:53 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. New Home Wiring Questions > Hi Paul, > Use rings at the room locations rather than boxes.The modular idea is > the way to go, up to 6 terminations at one location. Get a couple of > interface weatherproof boxes from your phone and Tv cable Co and run all of > the cables to them before you brick or close up the walls. The overhead or > underground should terminate at the same location. > Gota go to work, Jimmy O'Hagan > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jul 19 19:22:08 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:22:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Message response time References: <00e201c46ba9$a2e92550$d0f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <027201c46e00$5c03e130$0400a8c0@Dave> > Well folks it looks like it is taking anywhere from 6 to 7 hours for any SEL > message to make it's flight through cyberspace to the List Members, gosh if > it gets any slower we will have to go the dreaded land lines to communicate. > I think someone needs to change the mag on the server engine, might run > faster...what do you think, maybe a new fuel pump to. > Paul I agree with you 100% Paul! The GREAT importance of ALL the recent posts to the List lends credence to the assertion that something MUST be done before the whole world goes to hell in a hand basket! Idiots could easily take over the Kerry headquarters before anyone receives a post warning us of such an impending event. (Oh, wait a minute, that's already happened--but you get the idea.) The primary thing that we must all realize is that what we have to say is so very important that it needs to be communicated to other List members with as little lag time as is possible. In fact, some of the recent discussion on List is so important to the antique engine world that we must find a way to get it to the screens of List members BEFORE the sender conceives of the idea! Dave From oldengin at udata.com Mon Jul 19 19:23:58 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:23:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters In-Reply-To: <3948se$3uund0@mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3948se$3uund0@mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <40FC823E.8050705@udata.com> jbcast at charter.net wrote: >>Alan, >>Any thoughts on where to buy the fine brass screen you mentioned? I've >>never seen any in a hardware store but need to buy some for an engine >>Devin and I are working on. >>Curt Holland >>Gastonia, NC >> >> >> Curt, how much do you need? I have some you can have if the neede piece is not giant ( only have small pieces)..... -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jul 19 19:37:00 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:37:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing References: <3a57rt$3o8p5t@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <038101c46e02$6f666cf0$0400a8c0@Dave> > I took the mixer of my 12hp Herc throttle governed this weekend, it was overspeeding, over 300 with the throttle shut down. The butterfly looks to be home made, soldered in. It didn't fit very closed when shut so I worked on it a while and got it to shut fairly tight. I put it together and it ran about 325 on the governor, when throttled down it would die. I took it down and when the throttle was closed it blocked the fuel tube. I drilled a small hole where the tube met the butterfly, I can now slow it down to about 200 rpm s in the slow position. Still a lot faster than I would like, I'll have to work on it some more. What kind of speeds can I expect from an engine like this? > J.B. Castagnos Hi J.B., My 12 HP T/G Herc ran at about 90 RPM's. Dave From glenn.karch at gte.net Mon Jul 19 19:37:31 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:37:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters References: <11747-40FB1940-2196@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> <40FBB7D8.7080102@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00cf01c46e02$84186e00$bb47f143@oemcomputer> Curt, Starbolt, Hitt & Miss and ohters have the fine brass screen. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters > Alan, > Any thoughts on where to buy the fine brass screen you mentioned? I've > never seen any in a hardware store but need to buy some for an engine > Devin and I are working on. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Alan Bowen wrote: > > >Picture fine brass screen rolled up to fit into the end of the fuel pipe > >that screws into the tank. Then solder it into the pipe and fold and > >solder the end shut. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From glenn.karch at gte.net Mon Jul 19 19:40:28 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:40:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing References: <3a57rt$3o8p5t@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <00d901c46e02$eca14b40$bb47f143@oemcomputer> JB, You might contact JAMES SWANK. He has a nice running 12 HP EK Hercules. That is the only address that ahows up on his email. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 7:58 PM Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing > I took the mixer of my 12hp Herc throttle governed this weekend, it was overspeeding, over 300 with the throttle shut down. The butterfly looks to be home made, soldered in. It didn't fit very closed when shut so I worked on it a while and got it to shut fairly tight. I put it together and it ran about 325 on the governor, when throttled down it would die. I took it down and when the throttle was closed it blocked the fuel tube. I drilled a small hole where the tube met the butterfly, I can now slow it down to about 200 rpm s in the slow position. Still a lot faster than I would like, I'll have to work on it some more. What kind of speeds can I expect from an engine like this? > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pmaples at anaxis.net Mon Jul 19 19:49:15 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:49:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Message response time References: <00e201c46ba9$a2e92550$d0f70cd1@VAIO> <027201c46e00$5c03e130$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <00ef01c46e04$27e8f6c0$c5f70cd1@VAIO> Hey Dave I changed the Mag and installed a new plug in the server and it is running better now...what do you think? May need to advance the timing just a hair but it is getting close. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Message response time > > Well folks it looks like it is taking anywhere from 6 to 7 hours for any > SEL > > message to make it's flight through cyberspace to the List Members, gosh > if > > it gets any slower we will have to go the dreaded land lines to > communicate. > > I think someone needs to change the mag on the server engine, might run > > faster...what do you think, maybe a new fuel pump to. > > Paul > > I agree with you 100% Paul! The GREAT importance of ALL the recent posts to > the List lends credence to the assertion that something MUST be done before > From cjclem at sysim.net Mon Jul 19 19:57:20 2004 From: cjclem at sysim.net (John) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:57:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fine Brass Screen (wire cloth) In-Reply-To: <40FBB7D8.7080102@imc-group.com> References: <11747-40FB1940-2196@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> <40FBB7D8.7080102@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <1090292240.40fc8a10f29c7@webmail.sysim.net> It is available from MC Master Carr, page 344 or search for "wire cloth" is what industry calls it. Brass is PN 9241T18 Approx $ 21.50 for lifetime roll 1'x 5'. Quoting Curt Holland : > Alan, > Any thoughts on where to buy the fine brass screen you mentioned? > I've > never seen any in a hardware store but need to buy some for an engine > > Devin and I are working on. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Alan Bowen wrote: > > >Picture fine brass screen rolled up to fit into the end of the fuel > pipe > >that screws into the tank. Then solder it into the pipe and fold > and > >solder the end shut. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dotto at velocitus.net Mon Jul 19 20:25:21 2004 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:25:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters In-Reply-To: <40FBB7D8.7080102@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000301c46e09$3406d300$01043c0a@DD1BF421> http://www.mcmaster.com/ -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Holland Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 5:00 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters Alan, Any thoughts on where to buy the fine brass screen you mentioned? I've never seen any in a hardware store but need to buy some for an engine Devin and I are working on. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Alan Bowen wrote: >Picture fine brass screen rolled up to fit into the end of the fuel pipe >that screws into the tank. Then solder it into the pipe and fold and >solder the end shut. > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wara at ozemail.com.au Mon Jul 19 21:10:42 2004 From: wara at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:10:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] olds References: Message-ID: <001001c46e0f$87394a20$576854d2@Young1203> David, I dont know where else the serial no. is stamped other than the plate which is on the (now missing) crank guard. The larger engines - 4A, 5A and 6A - have a nose plate where there is a spot for the number to be stamped, although a lot have nothing stamped there at all. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] olds > Hi Michael, the crank guard is missing as well as the carby but it is the > same as the engine on page 358 in the brb of wendel's. it is the one in the > top right hand corner. are the serial no stamped on the engine anyware? > thanks for the quick reply dave in oz > > > >From: "Michael Young" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Subject: Re: [SEL] olds Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:49:12 +1000 > > > >Hi David, > > > >I dont pretend to be an expert on them but as I have 2 Olds engines, I have > >tried to find out what I could over the years. Tell me what your engine is > >and the exact details on your plate and I will tell you what I can. As far > >as I know there is no one keeping a serial no. register of Olds engines and > >there are no original factory records in captivity. There are a few Olds > >specialists in the States (as in US of) who might care to identify > >themselves and they might know something. > > > >If you have a pre Seager Olds Type A engine (i.e. Olds Gas Power Plate - > >with B serial no. prefix.) it can probably be dated within a year or so. > >They were made in the 1904/5 - 1910 era. The early engines - pre 1904 - > >can > >also be very roughly dated but I dont know about the Seager plated engines. > > > >I have a 12Hp type A ~1909 and a gearless 12hp ~1898/9 which has given me a > >keen interest in this brand. > > > >Regards, > > > >Michael Young > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "David Nicolson" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 6:47 PM > >Subject: [SEL] olds > > > > > > > hi everyone, just chasing a bit of imfo on a 3hp type a olds i picked up > > > yesterday. any imfo would be appreciated. thanks in advance. dave in oz > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday and find love! > > > http://mobilecentral.ninemsn.com.au/mclovehunt/lovehunt.aspx > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday and find love! > http://mobilecentral.ninemsn.com.au/mclovehunt/lovehunt.aspx > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marshallman at iprimus.com.au Mon Jul 19 21:52:47 2004 From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (jim) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:52:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 19 References: <200407191557.i6JFvcGL009107@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <005501c46e15$68fa28d0$8a651bd3@usernhpg3sdooo> > > Playmates, the Bubble Car Song, probably 1958-59. Try this .... BEEP BEEP The Playmates (very slowly) Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep While riding in my Cadillac What to my surprise A little Nash Rambler was following me About one third my size The guy musta wanted to pass me up As he kept on tooting his horn I'll show him that a Cadillac is not a car to scorn Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (slowly) I pushed my foot down to the floor To give the guy the shake But the little Nash Rambler stayed right behind He still had on his brake He musta thought his car had more guts As he kept on tooting his horn (beep beep) I'll show him that a Cadillac is not a car to scorn Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (normal speed) My car went into passing gear And we took off with gust (whoosh) Soon we were going ninety Musta left him in the dust When I peeked in the mirror of my car I couldn't believe my eyes The little Nash Rambler was right behind You'd think that guy could fly Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (quickly) Now we were doing a hundred and ten This certainly was a race For a Rambler to pass a Caddy Would be a big disgrace The guy musta wanted to pass me up As he kept on tooting his horn (beep beep) I'll show him that a Cadillac is not a car to scorn Beep beep beep beep His horn went beep beep beep (very quickly) Now we're going a hundred twenty As fast as I can go The Rambler pulled along side of me As if we were going slow The fella rolled down his window And yelled for me to hear "Hey buddy how do I get this car outa second gear?" Jim From old_iron at msn.com Mon Jul 19 22:31:39 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:31:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Orchid ProDesigner II Message-ID: I agree really great card, I am also still using one on an oldie but goodie unit. Peg Pfeiffer >From: "Bruce Younger" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] Orchid ProDesigner II >Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:45:15 -0500 > > >>>>Just to give a quick example of that, we have one machine we run DOS >CAD programmes on, and that uses a 1991 Orchid ProDesigner II graphics >card with 1meg of memory only. That runs perfectly well in Windows with >no problems at all, while some of the newer cards have all sorts of >speed and memory hassles. > > >>>Just a few thoughts from the UK. > > >>>Peter > >That was a GREAT card - not just for its time, but still. I had a 2 meg >version, and it would do anything - never before nor since saw such >great color control. > >Bruce Younger >Lenexa, Kansas USA >mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > >CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: > >This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of >the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for >the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If >you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that >you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) >477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other >use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this >e-mail is strictly prohibited. > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jul 19 16:16:22 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:16:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Maytag flywheel help needed. References: <40FC0CB3.5090901@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <016101c46e40$40fcfb20$f9121bd3@athlon> Ha, Arnie, I see you are refining your workshop technique. Dave's lessons on care in disassembly have finally got through that thick skull of yours. See, there is hope for us all. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 4:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag flywheel help needed. > Hi Curt, > > You have recognized the flaw in your approach. No, you are not going > about the disassembly in the right way. You should take the largest > wood-splitting maul you can find and apply it between the flywheel and > case with a full overhead downward swing. It's best done on a concrete > surface so that no energy is lost burying the motor in the ground with the > blow. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Jul 20 03:12:15 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:12:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Message response time References: <00e201c46ba9$a2e92550$d0f70cd1@VAIO> <027201c46e00$5c03e130$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <01d801c46e42$0ba6e380$f9121bd3@athlon> Hey Dave, I WONDERED when you couldnt hold it any longer!!! VBG Not to say that you aint on the right trail! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Message response time > > Well folks it looks like it is taking anywhere from 6 to 7 hours for any > SEL > > message to make it's flight through cyberspace to the List Members, gosh > if > > it gets any slower we will have to go the dreaded land lines to > communicate. > > I think someone needs to change the mag on the server engine, might run > > faster...what do you think, maybe a new fuel pump to. > > Paul > > I agree with you 100% Paul! The GREAT importance of ALL the recent posts to > the List lends credence to the assertion that something MUST be done before > the whole world goes to hell in a hand basket! Idiots could easily take over > the Kerry headquarters before anyone receives a post warning us of such an > impending event. (Oh, wait a minute, that's already happened--but you get > the idea.) The primary thing that we must all realize is that what we have > to say is so very important that it needs to be communicated to other List > members with as little lag time as is possible. In fact, some of the recent > discussion on List is so important to the antique engine world that we must > find a way to get it to the screens of List members BEFORE the sender > conceives of the idea! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Jul 20 03:55:39 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:55:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing Message-ID: Hi J.B., I've had our throttle gov 9hp Sattley down to about 84 or 86 RPM if I remember right. That is with the Webster mag in the retarded position. I was just thinking...... using some CAD drafting software, if you were to measure the throat diameter in the carb where the butterfly is. Draw a cylinder to represent that throat size. Then take a cross section at the angle where the butterfly would need to be. Make an auxillary view projected out at the angle of the cross section. This would give you a flat pattern of the egg shape needed to close off the throat. Print that off at full size on a printer, cut it out with scissors and transfer it to brass or whatever is used for the butterfly material. Once it was cut out, you then would have to file the edges of the butterfly to match the throat of the carb to close it off tight. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. I can picture it in my mind. I think the hardest part would be to guesstimate the angle the butterfly would need to be at. Luke Tonneberger >From: >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing >Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 0:58:30 +0000 > >I took the mixer of my 12hp Herc throttle governed this weekend, it was >overspeeding, over 300 with the throttle shut down. The butterfly looks to >be home made, soldered in. It didn't fit very closed when shut so I worked >on it a while and got it to shut fairly tight. I put it together and it ran >about 325 on the governor, when throttled down it would die. I took it down >and when the throttle was closed it blocked the fuel tube. I drilled a >small hole where the tube met the butterfly, I can now slow it down to >about 200 rpm s in the slow position. Still a lot faster than I would like, >I'll have to work on it some more. What kind of speeds can I expect from an >engine like this? >J.B. Castagnos >Belle Rose, LA _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From jbcast at charter.net Tue Jul 20 04:12:23 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:12:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing Message-ID: <391ogq$3p8vd3@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> > > From: "Luke Tonneberger" > Date: 2004/07/20 Tue AM 10:55:39 GMT > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: RE: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing > > Hi J.B., > > I've had our throttle gov 9hp Sattley down to about 84 or 86 RPM if I > remember right. That is with the Webster mag in the retarded position. > I was just thinking...... using some CAD drafting software, if you were to > measure the throat diameter in the carb where the butterfly is. Draw a > cylinder to represent that throat size. Then take a cross section at the > angle where the butterfly would need to be. Make an auxillary view > projected out at the angle of the cross section. This would give you a flat > pattern of the egg shape needed to close off the throat. Print that off at > full size on a printer, cut it out with scissors and transfer it to brass or > whatever is used for the butterfly material. Once it was cut out, you then > would have to file the edges of the butterfly to match the throat of the > carb to close it off tight. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. > I can picture it in my mind. I think the hardest part would be to > guesstimate the angle the butterfly would need to be at. > > Luke Tonneberger Luke, my plan was to correct the wear in the throttle shaft and clean up the bore in the throat where the butterfly seats. I would then take a piece of shaft and turn it to match the bore, cut it at the correct angle, screw the plate to it and machine it, it would be wobbleing in the lathe looking at it. This should give a nice fit. J.B. From jbcast at charter.net Tue Jul 20 04:19:06 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:19:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing Message-ID: <391s2r$3q4uep@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net> > > Hi J.B., My 12 HP T/G Herc ran at about 90 RPM's. > Dave > Thanks Dave, that's what I was hoping to get it to. >>You might contact JAMES SWANK. He has a nice running 12 HP EK Hercules. That is the only address that ahows up on his email. Glenn>> Thanks Glenn, I'll see if I can get in touch with him. J.B. Castagnos From curt at imc-group.com Tue Jul 20 04:38:10 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:38:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Beep Beep] Message-ID: <40FD0422.6000400@imc-group.com> More info on your song Glenn..... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Beep Beep Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:49:24 +0000 From: "jerry bumbaugh" To: curt at imc-group.com "Beep Beep" Hit the top 40 on the Billboard charts June 9, 1958, made number 4, and was in the top 40 for 12 weeks. http://www.geocities.com/nashmetro_1961/beep.html From bolhuis at amtelecom.net Tue Jul 20 04:44:58 2004 From: bolhuis at amtelecom.net (Bob & Sheila Bolhuis) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:44:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters References: <4324-40FC5E28-5067@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <002f01c46e4e$fc083fc0$6500a8c0@EMACHINE> >I am very sorry to say I have no idea where to buy fine screen like >that. >I was wondering the same thing. I really liked what I found there. I >have run that engine many days at shows and I had no idea there was a >screen like that keeping crud out of the mixer. Ken Branson Jr. ( he sells tools at a lot of the shows ) sells it in 12 x 12 sheets I believe his brother and dad, Branson Enterprises ( ignitors , mags and carbs ) also have it Bob Bob & Sheila Bolhuis RR#4 Aylmer , Ont, Can N5H-2R3 519-765-3337 From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Jul 20 04:52:03 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:52:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers In-Reply-To: <015b01c46e40$180109a0$f9121bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <200407201152.i6KBpx8P028555@heavyiron.atis.net> If the fuel savers were such a good idea how come they were not universally adopted in the USA? I also cannot think of any English engines which used a fuel saver mechanism. Tangyes would be a good example of an English engine that could have benefited from such a mechanism. They govern by holding the exhaust valve open but have an atmospheric intake valve. The fuel intake is through the valve seat of the atmospheric valve. Any fluttering of this valve would allow fuel in and the engine would not govern properly (if at all). Admittedly the spring tension is critical but it all seems to work fine. Perhaps the fuel saver was a mechanical way to get around the need for critical spring tensions on the mass produced American engines? Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- This was a much needed item on larger H&M engines. The problem was that the inlet valve spring did not have the strength to hold it shut on the 'miss' strokes and yet be weak enough to allow the fuel mix free entry on the 'hit cycle'. Under these conditions the fuel loss would have been quite high. It must have been for the makers to go to this extra expense. Some designs would have been worse than others but, makers of engines that sold well took the trouble to add this feature. It was, then as now, easy to lose customers due to a 'greedy' engine model. After all, the ability to do a job using less fuel than the opposition was a good selling point. Users of engines were very aware of the cost of fuel. Same as now. If I had a unit that gobbled fuel, I would not replace it with another like it. I wonder how many makers went under due to this excessive fuel drinking? Reg & Marg Ingold. From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Tue Jul 20 04:57:53 2004 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:57:53 EDT Subject: [SEL] olds Message-ID: Hi Dave I have a 1 1/2 hp Olds and it has the piston diameter stamped on top of the piston. What dia piston do you have? Woody peterwoodmore at aol.com 27 Craig Av Moorebank 2170 NSW Australia From curt at imc-group.com Tue Jul 20 05:21:51 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:21:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters/Baker Monitor pick up tube References: <3948se$3uund0@mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net> <40FC823E.8050705@udata.com> Message-ID: <40FD0E5F.5060709@imc-group.com> Leroy, I'm guessing about 2" square? I need to ask the Baker Monitor experts a question first. I pulled the fuel pick up out of the gas tank and the bottom end is a badly rusted piece of 1/8 pipe. Just a thin rusty pipe with no screen on the end. Is this correct? Or should there be a screen filter soldered on the end? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Leroy C. wrote: > jbcast at charter.net wrote: > >>> Alan, >>> Any thoughts on where to buy the fine brass screen you mentioned? >>> I've never seen any in a hardware store but need to buy some for an >>> engine Devin and I are working on. >>> Curt Holland >>> Gastonia, NC >>> >>> >> > Curt, how much do you need? I have some you can have if the neede > piece is not giant ( only have small pieces)..... > From pmaples at anaxis.net Tue Jul 20 05:45:24 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:45:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A Message from the Past Message-ID: <01c601c46e57$7169dd70$c5f70cd1@VAIO> He gang I think I retarded the timing too much when I was working on speeding up our SEL Server, I had already mentioned that I installed a new mag and spark plug and things were running faster but then, you know me, I had to go and mess with the timing and I guess I retarded it too much. I GOT A MESSAGE JUST AWHILE AGO THAT I HAD SENT OVER A YEAR AGO AND IT WAS SENT TO THE OLD SEL ADDRESS. I think I better quit working on the Server and let Spencer do his own magic. For you folks that don't know what I am talking about just forget it as it aint' worth the trouble trying to figure it out. What I said about the message is true and just thought it was interesting.......anyone else getting any messages from the past? Paul From pmaples at anaxis.net Tue Jul 20 06:17:21 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:17:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers References: <200407201152.i6KBpx8P028555@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <01dd01c46e5b$e6c78050$c5f70cd1@VAIO> Patrick, I just now realized that you are the one who is bidding on my 1911 Stover Reprint Book on E-bay. I wish I had know this and I would have sold you the book for $15.00. Don't bid anymore on this book and hopefully someone will bump your bid and if they do I will send you one for $15.00 plus the cost of postage. I don't do friends this way. Thanks, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: ; "Stationary Engine ATIS List" Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 6:52 AM Subject: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers > If the fuel savers were such a good idea how come they were not universally > adopted in the USA? I also cannot think of any English engines which used a > fuel saver mechanism. > Tangyes would be a good example of an English engine that could have > benefited from such a mechanism. They govern by holding the exhaust valve > open but have an atmospheric intake valve. The fuel intake is through the > valve seat of the atmospheric valve. Any fluttering of this valve would > allow fuel in and the engine would not govern properly (if at all). > Admittedly the spring tension is critical but it all seems to work fine. > Perhaps the fuel saver was a mechanical way to get around the need for > critical spring tensions on the mass produced American engines? > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > -----Original Message----- > This was a much needed item on larger H&M engines. > The problem was that the inlet valve spring did not have the strength to > hold it shut on the 'miss' strokes and yet be weak enough to allow the fuel > mix free entry on the 'hit cycle'. > Under these conditions the fuel loss would have been quite high. > It must have been for the makers to go to this extra expense. > Some designs would have been worse than others but, makers of engines that > sold well took the trouble to add this feature. It was, then as now, easy to > lose customers due to a 'greedy' engine model. > After all, the ability to do a job using less fuel than the opposition was a > good selling point. > Users of engines were very aware of the cost of fuel. Same as now. > If I had a unit that gobbled fuel, I would not replace it with another like > it. > I wonder how many makers went under due to this excessive fuel drinking? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Jul 20 06:57:19 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:57:19 +0000 Subject: [SEL] A Message from the Past Message-ID: <072020041357.20843.37b5@mchsi.com> Hey Paul you need spend less time on that junk puter you have and more time on restoring something worthwile......Stover model "C"......... Curt > He gang I think I retarded the timing too much when I was working on > speeding up our SEL Server, I had already mentioned that I installed a new > mag and spark plug and things were running faster but then, you know me, I > had to go and mess with the timing and I guess I retarded it too much. I GOT > A MESSAGE JUST AWHILE AGO THAT I HAD SENT OVER A YEAR AGO AND IT WAS SENT TO > THE OLD SEL ADDRESS. I think I better quit working on the Server and let > Spencer do his own magic. > > For you folks that don't know what I am talking about just forget it as it > aint' worth the trouble trying to figure it out. What I said about the > message is true and just thought it was interesting.......anyone else > getting any messages from the past? > > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Jul 20 07:59:47 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:59:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Message response time References: <00e201c46ba9$a2e92550$d0f70cd1@VAIO> <027201c46e00$5c03e130$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <40FD3363.EACF902E@insulate.co.uk> Dave's post has led me to the solution of this problem. All that is needed is for EVERYONE to adjust the clock on their computers by putting them forward 6 hours. That way, we'll receive all the posts at the correct time. Dolly Dave Rotigel wrote: > The primary thing that we must all realize is that what we have > to say is so very important that it needs to be communicated to other List > members with as little lag time as is possible. In fact, some of the recent > discussion on List is so important to the antique engine world that we must > find a way to get it to the screens of List members BEFORE the sender > conceives of the idea! > Dave > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Jul 20 08:12:25 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Rollag In-Reply-To: <004101c46de4$634d5500$06856ad5@one> Message-ID: <20040720151225.14659.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Dave Thanks for the sad news. I did some searching and found this story. Looks like it hit late on Monday 7/12 (11:30pm-1:30 am). I enjoyed my visit to the show last fall. This story has a few pictures. http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=64476§ion=News The site has several more photos. And may require you to register to view. Steve --- Dave Croft wrote: I received this from the steam list that is on ATIS. Thought some of you would be interested in the sad news. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'Steam-engine mailing list'" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:34 AM Subject: [Steam-engine] Bad news from Rollag Last night I received the following message from my brother. He got the information from his daughter who lives in Moorhead, Minnesota. Orrin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Bad news at Rollag. Tornado went thru last Friday, tens of thousands of dollars in damage. The huge shed housing the threshing machines had been hurt in a previous storm. Demolished in this one and moved many feet. Some of the machines destroyed, I think maybe the oldest, wooden ones. "Others badly damaged. Other buildings also damaged. I assume that trees were hurt too. Plans are to have the Reunion as scheduled, if volunteers turn out in sufficient numbers to do all the work." Orrin Iseminger ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This is news to me so I thought I should cross post it! Dave Croft Warrington England http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv British Map http://pub32.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=2692147218 World Map http://pub13.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=1064374771 From pmaples at anaxis.net Tue Jul 20 08:49:11 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:49:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Message response time References: <00e201c46ba9$a2e92550$d0f70cd1@VAIO><027201c46e00$5c03e130$0400a8c0@Dave> <40FD3363.EACF902E@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <023a01c46e71$1cd6de60$c5f70cd1@VAIO> WOW, Leave it to Dolly to come up with a simple solution to a complicated technical issue, BRAVO, BRAVO, Dolly. I just set my clock on my computer ahead six hours so now all of my messages will be on time or early, this is great. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Message response time > Dave's post has led me to the solution of this problem. All that is needed is > for EVERYONE to adjust the clock on their computers by putting them forward 6 > hours. That way, we'll receive all the posts at the correct time. > > Dolly > > Dave Rotigel wrote: > > > The primary thing that we must all realize is that what we have > > to say is so very important that it needs to be communicated to other List > > members with as little lag time as is possible. In fact, some of the recent > > discussion on List is so important to the antique engine world that we must > > find a way to get it to the screens of List members BEFORE the sender > > conceives of the idea! > > Dave > > > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Jul 20 09:40:54 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:40:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Message response time References: <00e201c46ba9$a2e92550$d0f70cd1@VAIO> <027201c46e00$5c03e130$0400a8c0@Dave> <40FD3363.EACF902E@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <40FD4B16.2000405@imc-group.com> Dolly, You're brilliant! It's no wonder Jim knew you were such a great catch! Curt Jim French wrote: >Dave's post has led me to the solution of this problem. All that is needed is >for EVERYONE to adjust the clock on their computers by putting them forward 6 >hours. That way, we'll receive all the posts at the correct time. > >Dolly > > > >> >> > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jul 20 09:41:59 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Message response time In-Reply-To: <40FD4B16.2000405@imc-group.com> References: <00e201c46ba9$a2e92550$d0f70cd1@VAIO> <027201c46e00$5c03e130$0400a8c0@Dave> <40FD3363.EACF902E@insulate.co.uk> <40FD4B16.2000405@imc-group.com> Message-ID: AND he knew it six hours BEFORE she did!! On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Curt Holland wrote: > Dolly, > You're brilliant! It's no wonder Jim knew you were such a great catch! > Curt > > Jim French wrote: > > >Dave's post has led me to the solution of this problem. All that is needed is > >for EVERYONE to adjust the clock on their computers by putting them forward 6 > >hours. That way, we'll receive all the posts at the correct time. > >Dolly From curt at imc-group.com Tue Jul 20 10:08:35 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:08:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers References: <200407201152.i6KBpx8P028555@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <40FD5193.1090104@imc-group.com> Patrick, I am going to go out on a limb here and say that I think the fuel savers were adopted on the better engineered engines in the US. Three well engineered engines come to mind at the moment. 1) Hercules - Hercules continued the use of the fuel saver over into the throttle governed engines due to their merit. 2) IHC - The Famous lines incorporated the fuel saver into the intake valve stand on at least the H&M style. It was no easy task to add this feature but apparently the fuel savings justified the effort. 3) Stickney - Charles Stickney was a intense engineer who really pushed the superior engineering features in the Stickney sales literature. The fuel saver on a Stickney is a complicated bent push rod casting that wraps around the lower portion of the water hopper to get at the intake valve on the front. Again, it was no easy task to add this feature but apparently the fuel savings justified the effort. Can anyone name other engines that used the fuel saver feature to this list? How about a list of engines that did not use the feature? As Reg mentioned, bore size necessitated the use of the fuel saver. Are there some manufacturers of engines that used fuel savers on their larger HP engines but did not use them on their smaller HP engines? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >If the fuel savers were such a good idea how come they were not universally >adopted in the USA? I also cannot think of any English engines which used a >fuel saver mechanism. >Tangyes would be a good example of an English engine that could have >benefited from such a mechanism. They govern by holding the exhaust valve >open but have an atmospheric intake valve. The fuel intake is through the >valve seat of the atmospheric valve. Any fluttering of this valve would >allow fuel in and the engine would not govern properly (if at all). >Admittedly the spring tension is critical but it all seems to work fine. >Perhaps the fuel saver was a mechanical way to get around the need for >critical spring tensions on the mass produced American engines? > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > >-----Original Message----- >This was a much needed item on larger H&M engines. >The problem was that the inlet valve spring did not have the strength to >hold it shut on the 'miss' strokes and yet be weak enough to allow the fuel >mix free entry on the 'hit cycle'. >Under these conditions the fuel loss would have been quite high. >It must have been for the makers to go to this extra expense. >Some designs would have been worse than others but, makers of engines that >sold well took the trouble to add this feature. It was, then as now, easy to >lose customers due to a 'greedy' engine model. >After all, the ability to do a job using less fuel than the opposition was a >good selling point. >Users of engines were very aware of the cost of fuel. Same as now. >If I had a unit that gobbled fuel, I would not replace it with another like >it. >I wonder how many makers went under due to this excessive fuel drinking? >Reg & Marg Ingold. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From kerogas at the-i.net Tue Jul 20 10:29:02 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:29:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters References: <11747-40FB1940-2196@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> <40FBB7D8.7080102@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003301c46e7f$0e0188a0$07905841@oemcomputer> > Alan, > Any thoughts on where to buy the fine brass screen you mentioned? I've > never seen any in a hardware store but need to buy some for an engine > Devin and I are working on. Head shops From kerogas at the-i.net Tue Jul 20 10:37:34 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:37:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters References: <3948se$3uund0@mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <007101c46e80$3e576280$07905841@oemcomputer> > > > Curt, go to an auto parts store that's been around a while and look at the screens for A/C expansion valves, Chuck may have some hanging around. I do have some cone shaped still . Theres also one with a brass neck that you push into a #6 tube but they suck there are also funnels you can poke the screen out of with your finger . JB---- are you doing any of the brazed AC line repairs ? (Braze on beadocks and the like to save manifold assys . ) Chuck From kerogas at the-i.net Tue Jul 20 10:49:09 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:49:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing References: <3a57rt$3o8p5t@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <00e801c46e81$dd9ff220$07905841@oemcomputer> I can now slow it down to about 200 rpm s in the slow position. Still a lot faster than I would like, I'll have to work on it some more. What kind of speeds can I expect from an engine like this? a fourth of that bro ! Time to grab some shears aye ? Im partial to the lids from Bush's Beans . Leroy is most qualified for spec'ing lid metals From kerogas at the-i.net Tue Jul 20 10:51:32 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:51:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hidden fuel filters/Baker Monitor pick up tube References: <3948se$3uund0@mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net><40FC823E.8050705@udata.com> <40FD0E5F.5060709@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <010e01c46e82$3743a380$07905841@oemcomputer> RE; Monitor VJ Or should there be a screen filter soldered on the end? I havent found one yet . It nearly 8 inches straight up anyway . not a real problem From kerogas at the-i.net Tue Jul 20 10:57:35 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:57:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag flywheel help needed. References: <40FC0CB3.5090901@imc-group.com> <016101c46e40$40fcfb20$f9121bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <013001c46e83$0a962640$07905841@oemcomputer> > Ha, Arnie, I see you are refining your workshop technique. I see he is no longer recomending the 100 ton Bliss press http://www.tannerite.com/she_exploding_targets.html Have you tried any of this ? 50 state legal . From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jul 20 10:56:27 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:56:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers In-Reply-To: <40FD5193.1090104@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <019301c46e82$e320adb0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> 2hp Chapman doesn't have such a device, the 7hp (and other higher HPs) did. One must consider the relationship of the intake valve to the exhaust valve. On the 2hp, they are side-by-side, on the larger engines, they are above on another - the exhaust pushes toward the head to open, the intake pushes toward the back of the engine to open. As the rush of exhaust gases passes the intake in its way out, it tends to float the intake like the rush of air over an airplane wing - there is lift. Of course, a stronger intake spring could keep it closed, but it would take a pretty stout spring if the engine speed was high enough to make for a good rush of exhaust gases pouring out, then you'd have issues on the intake end. Anyway, I can sure see where there could be a need for it on this large Chapman, that's a lot of exhaust gas rushing by - it's a large bore and stroke, so I suspect there was a pretty good pull on that intake, almost a "siphon" effect as the gas rushed past that intake valve, wanting to pull the intake mix right in and out with it. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Holland Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 12:09 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers Patrick, I am going to go out on a limb here and say that I think the fuel savers were adopted on the better engineered engines in the US. Three well engineered engines come to mind at the moment. 1) Hercules - Hercules continued the use of the fuel saver over into the throttle governed engines due to their merit. 2) IHC - The Famous lines incorporated the fuel saver into the intake valve stand on at least the H&M style. It was no easy task to add this feature but apparently the fuel savings justified the effort. 3) Stickney - Charles Stickney was a intense engineer who really pushed the superior engineering features in the Stickney sales literature. The fuel saver on a Stickney is a complicated bent push rod casting that wraps around the lower portion of the water hopper to get at the intake valve on the front. Again, it was no easy task to add this feature but apparently the fuel savings justified the effort. Can anyone name other engines that used the fuel saver feature to this list? How about a list of engines that did not use the feature? As Reg mentioned, bore size necessitated the use of the fuel saver. Are there some manufacturers of engines that used fuel savers on their larger HP engines but did not use them on their smaller HP engines? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >If the fuel savers were such a good idea how come they were not >universally adopted in the USA? I also cannot think of any English >engines which used a fuel saver mechanism. Tangyes would be a good >example of an English engine that could have benefited from such a >mechanism. They govern by holding the exhaust valve open but have an >atmospheric intake valve. The fuel intake is through the valve seat of >the atmospheric valve. Any fluttering of this valve would allow fuel in >and the engine would not govern properly (if at all). Admittedly the >spring tension is critical but it all seems to work fine. Perhaps the >fuel saver was a mechanical way to get around the need for critical >spring tensions on the mass produced American engines? > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > >-----Original Message----- >This was a much needed item on larger H&M engines. >The problem was that the inlet valve spring did not have the strength >to hold it shut on the 'miss' strokes and yet be weak enough to allow >the fuel mix free entry on the 'hit cycle'. Under these conditions the >fuel loss would have been quite high. It must have been for the makers >to go to this extra expense. Some designs would have been worse than >others but, makers of engines that sold well took the trouble to add >this feature. It was, then as now, easy to lose customers due to a >'greedy' engine model. After all, the ability to do a job using less >fuel than the opposition was a good selling point. >Users of engines were very aware of the cost of fuel. Same as now. >If I had a unit that gobbled fuel, I would not replace it with another like >it. >I wonder how many makers went under due to this excessive fuel drinking? >Reg & Marg Ingold. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlwiley123 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 20 11:18:25 2004 From: jlwiley123 at earthlink.net (James Wiley) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Y Motor question Message-ID: <630760.1090347505708.JavaMail.root@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Are there any Y motor experts out there? I need to repair the fuel injector on my 25 HP: While the motor was in someone elses care they broke the end off of the injector and lost the parts broken off. I am not actually sure what all is missing, but the part I still have is the steel part that screws into the head (and stuff inside the injector - held in place, I think, by the broken off brass piece). I think the missing part is brass and has the fitting that the injector line from the pump screwes into. I have the fitting that screws into the pump. So, I actually need everything between the fitting on the pump and the steel body of the injector... Does anyone have an injector they would be willing to sell, or barring that, the parts I need to fix mine, or some way to reproduce what I need? Thanks James L. Wiley Stephenville Texas jlwiley123 at earthlink.net From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Jul 20 12:36:51 2004 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:36:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers Message-ID: Hi Curt, My Gilson Air Cooled has a spring steel arm on the pushrod that holds the intake valve closed! Steve Royster >From: Curt Holland >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers >Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:08:35 -0400 > >Patrick, >I am going to go out on a limb here and say that I think the fuel savers >were adopted on the better engineered engines in the US. >Three well engineered engines come to mind at the moment. >1) Hercules - Hercules continued the use of the fuel saver over into the >throttle governed engines due to their merit. >2) IHC - The Famous lines incorporated the fuel saver into the intake valve >stand on at least the H&M style. It was no easy task to add this feature >but apparently the fuel savings justified the effort. >3) Stickney - Charles Stickney was a intense engineer who really pushed the >superior engineering features in the Stickney sales literature. The fuel >saver on a Stickney is a complicated bent push rod casting that wraps >around the lower portion of the water hopper to get at the intake valve on >the front. Again, it was no easy task to add this feature but >apparently the fuel savings justified the effort. > >Can anyone name other engines that used the fuel saver feature to this >list? >How about a list of engines that did not use the feature? >As Reg mentioned, bore size necessitated the use of the fuel saver. Are >there some manufacturers of engines that used fuel savers on their larger >HP engines but did not use them on their smaller HP engines? > >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > >Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >>If the fuel savers were such a good idea how come they were not >>universally >>adopted in the USA? I also cannot think of any English engines which used >>a >>fuel saver mechanism. >>Tangyes would be a good example of an English engine that could have >>benefited from such a mechanism. They govern by holding the exhaust valve >>open but have an atmospheric intake valve. The fuel intake is through the >>valve seat of the atmospheric valve. Any fluttering of this valve would >>allow fuel in and the engine would not govern properly (if at all). >>Admittedly the spring tension is critical but it all seems to work fine. >>Perhaps the fuel saver was a mechanical way to get around the need for >>critical spring tensions on the mass produced American engines? >> >>Patrick M Livingstone >>Leichhardt NSW >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >> >>-----Original Message----- >>This was a much needed item on larger H&M engines. >>The problem was that the inlet valve spring did not have the strength to >>hold it shut on the 'miss' strokes and yet be weak enough to allow the >>fuel >>mix free entry on the 'hit cycle'. >>Under these conditions the fuel loss would have been quite high. >>It must have been for the makers to go to this extra expense. >>Some designs would have been worse than others but, makers of engines that >>sold well took the trouble to add this feature. It was, then as now, easy >>to >>lose customers due to a 'greedy' engine model. >>After all, the ability to do a job using less fuel than the opposition was >>a >>good selling point. >>Users of engines were very aware of the cost of fuel. Same as now. >>If I had a unit that gobbled fuel, I would not replace it with another >>like >>it. >>I wonder how many makers went under due to this excessive fuel drinking? >>Reg & Marg Ingold. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/ From BetCleve321 at aol.com Tue Jul 20 13:09:58 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:09:58 EDT Subject: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers Message-ID: In a message dated 7/20/2004 1:39:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: Can anyone name other engines that used the fuel saver feature to this list? How about a list of engines that did not use the feature? Absolutely. Anyone with a moustash has a fuel saver. If you have been sluggin' your beer properly while sitting around listening to engines, you should have saved quite a bit of fuel (beer) in yer stash to keep a buzz on while t'olady gets yer another one. Skip From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Tue Jul 20 14:16:57 2004 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers In-Reply-To: <40FD5193.1090104@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20040720211657.63348.qmail@web52607.mail.yahoo.com> I've seen fuel savers on some New Holland engines. F&J used them on the DE, Big 4, People's Priced and model N but dropped the feature sometime in the early 20's. Headless Witte engines also had them. Curt Holland wrote: Patrick, I am going to go out on a limb here and say that I think the fuel savers were adopted on the better engineered engines in the US. Three well engineered engines come to mind at the moment. 1) Hercules - Hercules continued the use of the fuel saver over into the throttle governed engines due to their merit. 2) IHC - The Famous lines incorporated the fuel saver into the intake valve stand on at least the H&M style. It was no easy task to add this feature but apparently the fuel savings justified the effort. 3) Stickney - Charles Stickney was a intense engineer who really pushed the superior engineering features in the Stickney sales literature. The fuel saver on a Stickney is a complicated bent push rod casting that wraps around the lower portion of the water hopper to get at the intake valve on the front. Again, it was no easy task to add this feature but apparently the fuel savings justified the effort. Can anyone name other engines that used the fuel saver feature to this list? How about a list of engines that did not use the feature? As Reg mentioned, bore size necessitated the use of the fuel saver. Are there some manufacturers of engines that used fuel savers on their larger HP engines but did not use them on their smaller HP engines? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >If the fuel savers were such a good idea how come they were not universally >adopted in the USA? I also cannot think of any English engines which used a >fuel saver mechanism. >Tangyes would be a good example of an English engine that could have >benefited from such a mechanism. They govern by holding the exhaust valve >open but have an atmospheric intake valve. The fuel intake is through the >valve seat of the atmospheric valve. Any fluttering of this valve would >allow fuel in and the engine would not govern properly (if at all). >Admittedly the spring tension is critical but it all seems to work fine. >Perhaps the fuel saver was a mechanical way to get around the need for >critical spring tensions on the mass produced American engines? > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > >-----Original Message----- >This was a much needed item on larger H&M engines. >The problem was that the inlet valve spring did not have the strength to >hold it shut on the 'miss' strokes and yet be weak enough to allow the fuel >mix free entry on the 'hit cycle'. >Under these conditions the fuel loss would have been quite high. >It must have been for the makers to go to this extra expense. >Some designs would have been worse than others but, makers of engines that >sold well took the trouble to add this feature. It was, then as now, easy to >lose customers due to a 'greedy' engine model. >After all, the ability to do a job using less fuel than the opposition was a >good selling point. >Users of engines were very aware of the cost of fuel. Same as now. >If I had a unit that gobbled fuel, I would not replace it with another like >it. >I wonder how many makers went under due to this excessive fuel drinking? >Reg & Marg Ingold. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Cheers! NICK Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web! "He who sees the other first already has half the victory." Erich Hartmann "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt" Hans Rudel --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Jul 20 14:27:58 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:27:58 EDT Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing Message-ID: <30.5b9f9fac.2e2ee85e@aol.com> In a message dated 7/19/2004 9:11:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bill at antique-engines.com writes: << they are egg-shaped rather than round >> Most factory ones that I know of are egg shaped and not simple for the home repairman to accomplish. They are egg shaped so they completely close. The problem with round ones home made is that they need to stop at top dead center to work properly. If they go beyond top dead center, they effectively open up again and allow fuel to enter. My 6 hp hopper cooled Famous used to run away from me when I first bought it and I could not figure out why until I pulled it down and found home made round throttle and it was going past top dead center. I made a stop for it and cured the problem. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Jul 20 14:38:54 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:38:54 EDT Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing Message-ID: In a message dated 7/20/2004 7:15:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jbcast at charter.net writes: << I would then take a piece of shaft and turn it to match the bore, cut it at the correct angle, screw the plate to it and machine it, it would be wobbleing in the lathe looking at it >> JB, That is the way to do it, but simpler if you cut a section out of the round piece you have turned, at the correct angle like you said. Then, if the piece is steel, take it to a machine shop and have them put it on their magnetic surface grinder and grind each side to proper thickness you want. Makes a perfect egg shape every time and with proper edge angles to lock up in the bore correctly. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Jul 20 14:49:30 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:49:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally Message-ID: <001001c46ea3$7348ec20$1d0d1bd3@athlon> To the Oz members. I have had quite a few comments over the costs that will be incurred going to this event. If I write to them stating that we are unhappy about the cost of the meal, cost of camping, Single entry and any other gripes you have, Who is going to allow me to add their names to the letter? You can contact me off list or on. I will,as usual, keep this completely open for you all to see and put up the letter for your comments before I send it. I also think the Nat. body need to see a copy of Arnie's letter and the editorial in the GEM. They need to see that they have lost the plot by having us cowering behind barriers. No wonder the hobby in Oz is in decline show wise. Waiting to hear from you. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Jul 20 14:41:56 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:41:56 EDT Subject: [SEL] Message response time Message-ID: <156.3a4543a9.2e2eeba4@aol.com> In a message dated 7/20/2004 11:02:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fbi at insulate.co.uk writes: << All that is needed is for EVERYONE to adjust the clock on their computers by putting them forward 6 hours. >> Geesh Dolly, I am usually in bed by that time. Does that mean I have to adjust my bed time too? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Jul 20 14:51:34 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 23:51:34 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally References: <001001c46ea3$7348ec20$1d0d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <001901c46ea3$b9aec5e0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hit'em up, move them out Reg!! John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > To the Oz members. > I have had quite a few comments over the costs that will be incurred going > to this event. > If I write to them stating that we are unhappy about the cost of the meal, > cost of camping, Single entry and any other gripes you have, Who is going to > allow me to add their names to the letter? > You can contact me off list or on. I will,as usual, keep this completely > open for you all to see and put up the letter for your comments before I > send it. > I also think the Nat. body need to see a copy of Arnie's letter and the > editorial in the GEM. > They need to see that they have lost the plot by having us cowering behind > barriers. > No wonder the hobby in Oz is in decline show wise. > Waiting to hear from you. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From glenn.karch at gte.net Tue Jul 20 14:55:12 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:55:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fuel savers Message-ID: <002a01c46ea4$3e001060$8f29ea41@oemcomputer> Curt etal, My Atlas 4 HP has a fuel saver that works off of a lever activated by the the exhaust valve. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Jul 20 16:37:13 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:37:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally References: <001001c46ea3$7348ec20$1d0d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <006401c46eb2$7ccc14c0$1b6f29cb@oemcomputer> Go for it on all accounts Reg.Yes let us see what you say. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "List SEL" Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 7:49 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally > To the Oz members. > I have had quite a few comments over the costs that will be incurred going > to this event. > If I write to them stating that we are unhappy about the cost of the meal, > cost of camping, Single entry and any other gripes you have, Who is going to > allow me to add their names to the letter? > You can contact me off list or on. I will,as usual, keep this completely > open for you all to see and put up the letter for your comments before I > send it. > I also think the Nat. body need to see a copy of Arnie's letter and the > editorial in the GEM. > They need to see that they have lost the plot by having us cowering behind > barriers. > No wonder the hobby in Oz is in decline show wise. > Waiting to hear from you. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jul 20 17:59:25 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:59:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing In-Reply-To: <30.5b9f9fac.2e2ee85e@aol.com> Message-ID: <01d701c46ebe$18cb3a30$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Egg-zactly. :-) Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 4:28 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing In a message dated 7/19/2004 9:11:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bill at antique-engines.com writes: << they are egg-shaped rather than round >> Most factory ones that I know of are egg shaped and not simple for the home repairman to accomplish. They are egg shaped so they completely close. The problem with round ones home made is that they need to stop at top dead center to work properly. If they go beyond top dead center, they effectively open up again and allow fuel to enter. My 6 hp hopper cooled Famous used to run away from me when I first bought it and I could not figure out why until I pulled it down and found home made round throttle and it was going past top dead center. I made a stop for it and cured the problem. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ottawa at pa.net Tue Jul 20 18:01:17 2004 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:01:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Rollag References: <20040720151225.14659.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005001c46ebe$45675ce0$22f1cd97@HONDESKTOP> Steve, Thanks for posting that site of the Rollag Story. The pictures from ND are unbelievable to most of us Easterners although we did have severe tornado damage just east of Hershey PA last week. We are grateful that tornados are not normally part of our severe weather threats. I can't begin to imagine what must go thru one's mind during a storm like that even though it happens in the wink of an eye. Helen George L. & Helen S. Myers The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Tel 717-536-3711 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 http://community.webshots.com/user/doitnowo ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Barr To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Cc: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 11:12 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Rollag Dave Thanks for the sad news. I did some searching and found this story. Looks like it hit late on Monday 7/12 (11:30pm-1:30 am). I enjoyed my visit to the show last fall. This story has a few pictures. http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=64476§ion=News The site has several more photos. And may require you to register to view. Steve --- Dave Croft wrote: I received this from the steam list that is on ATIS. Thought some of you would be interested in the sad news. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'Steam-engine mailing list'" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:34 AM Subject: [Steam-engine] Bad news from Rollag Last night I received the following message from my brother. He got the information from his daughter who lives in Moorhead, Minnesota. Orrin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Bad news at Rollag. Tornado went thru last Friday, tens of thousands of dollars in damage. The huge shed housing the threshing machines had been hurt in a previous storm. Demolished in this one and moved many feet. Some of the machines destroyed, I think maybe the oldest, wooden ones. "Others badly damaged. Other buildings also damaged. I assume that trees were hurt too. Plans are to have the Reunion as scheduled, if volunteers turn out in sufficient numbers to do all the work." Orrin Iseminger ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This is news to me so I thought I should cross post it! Dave Croft Warrington England http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv British Map http://pub32.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=2692147218 World Map http://pub13.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=1064374771 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Jul 20 20:25:12 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 23:25:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A Message from the Past References: <01c601c46e57$7169dd70$c5f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <066f01c46ed2$557b0690$0400a8c0@Dave> > For you folks that don't know what I am talking about just forget it as it > aint' worth the trouble trying to figure it out. > Paul Well said Paul! Dave From pmaples at anaxis.net Tue Jul 20 20:30:02 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:30:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Telephone I.D. Message-ID: <007601c46ed3$04fd7210$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Hey Gang I need to find out who this number belongs to: 402-517-9978 I just got a call from this number and surely there is a way to find out who this number belongs to. Any of you super sleuths want to take this on as a challenge, if so please contact me off list. I know that area code 402 is Omaha, Nebraska but this is all I know. Thanks for the help. Paul From pmaples at anaxis.net Tue Jul 20 20:32:01 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:32:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A Message from the Past References: <01c601c46e57$7169dd70$c5f70cd1@VAIO> <066f01c46ed2$557b0690$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <007c01c46ed3$4b621350$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Dave where do you stand on the old Ideal Lawnmower restoration? did you give up on it or is it on the back burner for awhile? I expected to see one of those World Famous Dave Rotigel restorations on the old lady....what about it? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Message from the Past > > For you folks that don't know what I am talking about just forget it as it > > aint' worth the trouble trying to figure it out. > > Paul > > Well said Paul! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Jul 20 20:40:28 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 23:40:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A Message from the Past References: <01c601c46e57$7169dd70$c5f70cd1@VAIO><066f01c46ed2$557b0690$0400a8c0@Dave> <007c01c46ed3$4b621350$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <074a01c46ed4$77889b60$0400a8c0@Dave> Hi Paul, I had intended to work on the Ideal this month. However with all the OT posts to the List (particularly those having to do with broken computers) I just haven't had time to do any engine work. Perhaps next month people will slow down a bit with their OT posts and I will have some time to get out to the shop! Dave PS, Yes, it's on the back burner, but coming along ever so slowly. > Dave where do you stand on the old Ideal Lawnmower restoration? did you give > up on it or is it on the back burner for awhile? I expected to see one of > those World Famous Dave Rotigel restorations on the old lady....what about > it? > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 10:25 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] A Message from the Past > > > > > For you folks that don't know what I am talking about just forget it as > it > > > aint' worth the trouble trying to figure it out. > > > Paul > > > > Well said Paul! > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pmaples at anaxis.net Tue Jul 20 20:51:30 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:51:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A Message from the Past References: <01c601c46e57$7169dd70$c5f70cd1@VAIO><066f01c46ed2$557b0690$0400a8c0@Dave><007c01c46ed3$4b621350$d3f70cd1@VAIO> <074a01c46ed4$77889b60$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <008c01c46ed6$041bbd40$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Darn Dave I figured by now you would have posted pictures of the wife out mowing the yard with it. As I recall this was the reason you bought it. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Message from the Past > Hi Paul, > I had intended to work on the Ideal this month. However with all the OT > posts to the List (particularly those having to do with broken computers) I > just haven't had time to do any engine work. Perhaps next month people will > slow down a bit with their OT posts and I will have some time to get out to > the shop! > Dave > PS, Yes, it's on the back burner, but coming along ever so slowly. > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 20 23:43:30 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:43:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] olds Message-ID: hi patrick, i got a reply from smokstak the engine serial no is stamped into the top of the piston. i found no 4994 on mine . dave >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Subject: RE: [SEL] olds >Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:05:23 +1000 > >Hi Dave, >Your engine would probably be identical to Ron Sullivan's engine. I cannot >remember the engine number on his engine being anywhere other than on the >plate but we will have a search of the engine when it is dug out of storage >:) >As a wild guess (from looking at lots of American engines) I would suggest >looking at the ends of the crank, flywheel hubs, flywheel rims and faces, >and on top of the cylinder. >Patrick > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >-----Original Message----- > >Hi Michael, the crank guard is missing as well as the carby but it is the >same as the engine on page 358 in the brb of wendel's. it is the one in the >top right hand corner. are the serial no stamped on the engine anyware? >thanks for the quick reply dave in oz > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Find love today with ninemsn personals. Click here: http://ninemsn.match.com?referrer=hotmailtagline From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Jul 20 15:38:04 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:38:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hercules tg, idleing References: Message-ID: <00c901c46eff$186b0840$57111bd3@athlon> I have replaced the butterfly on a few engines and my method is to turn a bit of brass to the dia of the bore and then cut off the plate at an angle of about 10 to 15 degrees. I do this with the mill but if you are careful, it can be done with a hacksaw, power or hand. This method gives a perfect fit to the carb bore and I have never had any further troubles with over revving at idle. Oh, one other thing, I fix the slop of the pivot shaft before I make the new plate as this is usually fixes the problem. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Jul 20 15:56:32 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:56:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A Message from the Past References: <01c601c46e57$7169dd70$c5f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <00cd01c46eff$30303cc0$57111bd3@athlon> <,.......anyone else > getting any messages from the past?> Yes, all the time! My body is telling me all about the misuse I gave it over the years! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Jul 20 20:20:29 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:20:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally Message-ID: <00d501c46eff$69c5c0e0$57111bd3@athlon> Here is a breakdown of cost for a family of four at the event. Thurs night BBQ $40 Fri Night BBQ $40 Sat night meal @$30 PP $120 Rally badge $15 (No free plaques at our events) Registration per exhibitor $6 Camping(No power, etc.) $10 PP P night 4nights $160 Admissions for the wife and kids assuming $10 PP $90 This adds up to $471.00 and that is just the start of it! Then there is the costs of getting there, all other meals, etc.etc.etc. Our fuel is $1 a litre now. not cheap! I really doubt if this sort of expense is justified for an engine show. I am most interested to hear the views of you others on this matter . Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jul 21 01:58:56 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:58:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally References: <001001c46ea3$7348ec20$1d0d1bd3@athlon> <001901c46ea3$b9aec5e0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <00fe01c46f00$f843e9e0$57111bd3@athlon> John, I am NOT doing this as a shitstirring excercise. I really am fed up with the way things are going here and am trying to put the brakes on. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat rally > Hit'em up, move them out Reg!! > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > To the Oz members. > > I have had quite a few comments over the costs that will be incurred going > > to this event. > > If I write to them stating that we are unhappy about the cost of the meal, > > cost of camping, Single entry and any other gripes you have, Who is going to > > allow me to add their names to the letter? > > You can contact me off list or on. I will,as usual, keep this completely > > open for you all to see and put up the letter for your comments before I > > send it. > > I also think the Nat. body need to see a copy of Arnie's letter and the > > editorial in the GEM. > > They need to see that they have lost the plot by having us cowering behind > > barriers. > > No wonder the hobby in Oz is in decline show wise. > > Waiting to hear from you. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From peter at loud-n-clear.net Wed Jul 21 04:19:43 2004 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:19:43 +0100 Subject: [SEL] A Message from the Past In-Reply-To: <00cd01c46eff$30303cc0$57111bd3@athlon> References: <01c601c46e57$7169dd70$c5f70cd1@VAIO> <00cd01c46eff$30303cc0$57111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: This sounds horribly familiar... :-) In message <00cd01c46eff$30303cc0$57111bd3 at athlon>, Reg & Margaret Ingold writes ><,.......anyone else >> getting any messages from the past?> > >Yes, all the time! My body is telling me all about the misuse I gave it >over the years! >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Peter Scales From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jul 21 04:22:49 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:22:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers In-Reply-To: <00cb01c46eff$2e7434e0$57111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <200407211122.i6LBMp4S006509@heavyiron.atis.net> I would not say they were easily retrofitted. Many of them (F&J, IHC and F-M for example) are quite complicated and fussy devices and are frequently not found on engines that are 'barn fresh' as they were frequently the first thing that was chucked :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- As I see it, it was a cheap and easily retrofitted modification that would overcome a problem with particular engines. it was then kept on further production models. Cheaper than a complete re design job. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jul 21 04:36:47 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:36:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers In-Reply-To: <40FD5193.1090104@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200407211136.i6LBamCF014292@heavyiron.atis.net> There seems to have been more US manufacturers who used fuel savers than didn't so they must have been on to something (or all had just picked up on the same advertising gimmick). Stover, IHC, F-M, & F&J did not provide fuel savers on their smallest engines and R&V, Challenge and Galloway did not seem to use them at all. My 12hp R&V does not have a fuel saver and there is no flutter at all from the intake valve while the engine is missing and it is an engine that is not short of suction. I am not convinced 100% as to if fuel savers are worthwhile or if they were a marketing gimmick but it has made a nice on topic thread ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Jul 21 04:37:28 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:37:28 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally References: <00d501c46eff$69c5c0e0$57111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <001c01c46f17$1a514080$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Reg, That's to grazy for words, $471 for an engine show attended by four people. This weekend we have our Nat.show at Panningen, the showbook counts 1155 members that will be on display. For 3 nights camping (with full hook up, power-bathrooms-showers) we pay $40 for max 4 people. We always stay together with friends and you get 6x8 metres per unit ground space. The first night you take care for your own food, the second we do BBQ and cost you about $7.50 PP. The third night we always eat Chinees (lots of food) and cost around $8.00 PP. Admissions are free for exhibitor, wife and two kids. Spectators have to pay $7.50 per day. Rally badge ( heavy brass plaque) is free, one for every exhibitor. Total cost $70 + $45 fuel + $15 beer/softdrinks is around $130 US. Funny thing is after two months you get a check for $75 in the post, because your display was great and you brought the engines that were mention in the showbook. Ultimately it cost me $55 for four days engine fun and seeing all my friends again from the North to the South. You see the Rallies are much better overhere. A few weeks ago we had a good show in the South and they used to use a special formula for exhibitors (distance X weight X amount of engines X showdays) and they paid me $130 + two T-shirts, just for coming. Staying at night was free and 10 free drinks PP, food was for your own. Send the Directors to this side of the pond, there is much to learn for them. Take care, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Here is a breakdown of cost for a family of four at the event. > Thurs night BBQ $40 > Fri Night BBQ $40 > Sat night meal @$30 PP $120 > Rally badge $15 (No free plaques at our > events) > Registration per exhibitor $6 > Camping(No power, etc.) > $10 PP P night 4nights $160 > Admissions for the wife > and kids assuming $10 PP $90 > > This adds up to $471.00 and that is just the start of it! > Then there is the costs of getting there, all other meals, etc.etc.etc. > Our fuel is $1 a litre now. not cheap! > I really doubt if this sort of expense is justified for an engine show. > > I am most interested to hear the views of you others on this matter . > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jul 21 04:39:07 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:39:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: OT Message response time In-Reply-To: <40FD3363.EACF902E@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <200407211139.i6LBd9RP016216@heavyiron.atis.net> Does that mean I will get a reply two days before I have a question? Will I then still need to send the question or will not sending it result in the end of the universe? ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Dave's post has led me to the solution of this problem. All that is needed is for EVERYONE to adjust the clock on their computers by putting them forward 6 hours. That way, we'll receive all the posts at the correct time. Dolly Dave Rotigel wrote: From adamcottrill at telstra.com Wed Jul 21 04:35:45 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:35:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Message-ID: <34468334432c.34432c344683@email.bigpond.com> Hi Gents, I felt I had to reply to this one, I was at a meeting of the (NHMA) National Rally committee last Thursday in South Aus and it seems after some internal difficulties you most likely know about they are getting things back on track. I?m not sure if you realise how much an event of this size costs to put on? You just don?t wake up one morning and decide I?m going to hold a national rally. A good example of this is the portable toilets costing $17,000 for the event. In stead of complaining about that costs supply a solution of how a cost such as this can be paid for or eliminated from the rally... should one bring there own toilet paper? As for the hobby in this country in decline again I beg to differ the NHMA has now over 7,000 members compared to the high 5000's 18-24 months ago reference to this is in the current NHMA Newsletter. Another misconception is accommodation is not available. This is not true it is readily available for the event and is now being handled exclusively by the local tourist information centre. I will agree that not all things are perfect at this stage but even the best laid plans can go sour, time will tell, if you have a complaint of concern with the rally convey it directly and at the same time provide a feasible solution or alternative to the problem. The thing I wish would decline in this country is the tall poppy syndrome. If you need the contact details of the exec and organisers let me know and I will pass them on. Kind regards, Adam From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Jul 21 04:48:23 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:48:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally References: <001001c46ea3$7348ec20$1d0d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <060401c46f18$a1686c50$0c09a4cb@km> G'Day Reg Totally with you (again, I need to see someone about that, I need help ). The cost of taking your engine to their rally is becoming a joke. Getting the young into the hobby is one thing but if we are priced out no one will be there to encourage them. Lately a few of us have been giving the Club ran meals a miss settling for a close pub meal and a few beers because of some very poor meals for your $ that we have attended, saying that I have also had some good ones. I don't have a problem with clubs making a $ but surly that should be from sponsors and the public, when you look at the majority of engine people they are older workers, a lot retired and cannot afford the high costs of showing their engines/tractors that this club has put on us. I also believe that a wife should also be admitted free for any rally that we take an engine to, a lot of organisations are now only allowing one person per exhibit, the out to that is take a MAYTAG as well. So to put it in to perspective for me, We have decided to make this a holiday so the cost of fuel etc is not to us purely rally related but the decision must now be made to forget pulling an engine and just go to the rally for a day and pay as a normal public. If we all do this only the locals will turn up with engines and EVERYONE looses out. I don't care about the meals do my own thing, $10 PP/PNight camping seems a lot but there is a cost to the club for hot showers etc depends on quality and quantity of amenities so all in all may be reasonable. The rally badge, well you either want one or you don't, they have been good quality but $15 is a bit much, the club will be makeing money on them. So the old story if you want to go pay the freight BUT IT IS NOT GOING TO HELP OUR HOBBY with these costs Kerry (not the dark side one) Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines From bolhuis at amtelecom.net Wed Jul 21 04:51:25 2004 From: bolhuis at amtelecom.net (Bob & Sheila Bolhuis) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:51:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally References: <00d501c46eff$69c5c0e0$57111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <006001c46f19$1045c550$6500a8c0@EMACHINE> >This adds up to $471.00 HOLY SHIT REG !!!!!!!! I'd have told them to kissoff a long time ago!! I'm not nearly so patient as you .........;o)) Bob Bob & Sheila Bolhuis RR#4 Aylmer , Ont, Can N5H-2R3 519-765-3337 From Markshattuck at ntelos.net Wed Jul 21 04:56:43 2004 From: Markshattuck at ntelos.net (Mark L Shattuck) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:56:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally References: <00d501c46eff$69c5c0e0$57111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <003001c46f19$cdb39360$6401a8c0@markby5481638j> Hey Reg that 's about what it costs here in the US to go to a Football game. The only difference is parking at FED X field is now 30.dollars per car . Tickets, Hot Dogs, Beer, sodas, Parking . O well Happy Nat Rally day !! Mark L Shattuck Waynesboro Va From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jul 21 05:07:28 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:07:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Message response time References: <156.3a4543a9.2e2eeba4@aol.com> Message-ID: <40FE5C80.80004@imc-group.com> Tom! By all means adjust your bed time to accommodate Dolly! :-) Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Germoamer at aol.com wrote: >All that is needed is > for EVERYONE to adjust the clock on their computers by putting them forward 6 > hours. >> > > >Geesh Dolly, I am usually in bed by that time. Does that mean I have to >adjust my bed time too? > >Tom Schmutz > > From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 21 05:46:20 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 05:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally In-Reply-To: <34468334432c.34432c344683@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <20040721124620.50193.qmail@web20228.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Adam, Just out of curiosity, how many engines and tractors does an event like this attract? How many exhibitors? How many spectators? How many days does this event run? I am just trying to comprehend how big of an event this is. It sounds like a really large show, but if the expenses are that high, even with the exchange rate, it must be far bigger than I ever imagined. Thanks for the info, Joe Prindle --- Adam Cottrill wrote: > I?m not sure if you realise how much an event of this size costs to put > on? You just don?t wake up one morning and decide I?m going to hold a > national rally. A good example of this is the portable toilets costing > $17,000 for the event. In stead of complaining about that costs supply a > solution of how a cost such as this can be paid for or eliminated from > the rally... should one bring there own toilet paper? ===== Joe Prindle Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: www.tznet.com/jprindle Our Club: www.badgersteamandgas.com See Yoo in Baraboo! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 21 06:07:37 2004 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:07:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag flywheel Message-ID: >I need some advice on removing the flywheel on a Maytag twin. I made the >assumption that the flywheel is a tapered fit like a Briggs, and with the nut loose have tapped it with a brass hammer while gently pressing behind the flywheel. But I don't want to break anything..... >Am I going about this the correct way? >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC Curt, Take it to Jiffy Lube. Or buy more beer. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Lenexa, KS sluggo54 at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jul 21 06:16:55 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally In-Reply-To: <34468334432c.34432c344683@email.bigpond.com> References: <34468334432c.34432c344683@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: Hi Adam, Given the sorts of numbers that Reg has posted, I'm pretty stunned about the Aussie National Rally. I think Portland may serve as the defacto National Rally here in the US. I think it holds fair claim to being the biggest rally in the world. This year the event runs from August 25-29. Typical registered exhibits are on the order of 2,500 stationary engines and 600 1955 and older tractors. >From my observations there are probably that many engines not registered / for sale. Exhibitors & families are free. The admission fee for the general public is on the order of $5. Camping on grassy sites with electric power and a shower house with toilets is $5 for the entire show for exhibitors. Non-exhibitors pay $10 per day for the camping. Food on the grounds is abundent, good, and cheap; generally done by service organizations as a fund raiser. Free gasoline is provided to exhibitors for their exhibit engines. Rally plaques are free to exhibitors. Granted they are silkscreened sheet aluminum not the massive cast brass varity given in other parts of the world, but they suffice. I sincerely hope that you will pass contact info along to the National Rally Committee at the first opportunity. http://www.adamswells.com/%7Etristate/tractorshow.htm The National folks are SERIOUSLY out of touch with the world-wide engine rally mainstream and should REALLY gather some of the "best practices" from organizers like the folks at Portland who are getting ready for their 39th annual "National Rally." See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA USA fero_ah at city-net.com PS - Portland also manages heaving crowds of spectators around running engines and exhibits with a single strand of rope between 'em and no carnage. But that's another discussion.... 8-)) On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, Adam Cottrill wrote: > I felt I had to reply to this one, I was at a meeting of the (NHMA) > National Rally committee last Thursday in South Aus and it seems after > some internal difficulties you most likely know about they are getting > things back on track. > > I?m not sure if you realise how much an event of this size costs to put > on? You just don?t wake up one morning and decide I?m going to hold a > national rally. A good example of this is the portable toilets costing > $17,000 for the event. In stead of complaining about that costs supply a > solution of how a cost such as this can be paid for or eliminated from > the rally... should one bring there own toilet paper? From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 21 06:47:50 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:47:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007501c46f29$520fb580$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> We found locally that expenses could be reduced when competition was introduced. For example, due to lack of volunteers, there was always the same person lining up certain things like the toilets. Then suddenly someone else says "hey, what about Joe's Toilets" or whatever. Then suddenly the cost goes down, the service is better. Similar for food - when one group controls it, it's costly and people complain (man, don't we know that here). Then you get some competition in there and prices drop. Of course in this part of the country we complain if a meal costs more than $4 so you can imagine. Gee, competition, supply and demand, capitalism, hmmmmmm. When you get rid of the same old bunch always doing the same old thing the same old way and get some new blood in and some competition and do things differently, you'll succeed in not only growing the show but reducing costs. (Have some drink company sponsor the toilets - then they can control the coming and going of liquid refreshments.) Sounds to me like that was an event to make money, not to put on a show for the public and enjoyment of the hobby. And yeah, take some examples away from successful shows in the US, like Arnie said. IF we can do it, they can do it. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 8:17 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Hi Adam, Given the sorts of numbers that Reg has posted, I'm pretty stunned about the Aussie National Rally. I think Portland may serve as the defacto National Rally here in the US. I think it holds fair claim to being the biggest rally in the world. This year the event runs from August 25-29. Typical registered exhibits are on the order of 2,500 stationary engines and 600 1955 and older tractors. >From my observations there are probably that many engines not >registered / for sale. Exhibitors & families are free. The admission fee for the general public is on the order of $5. Camping on grassy sites with electric power and a shower house with toilets is $5 for the entire show for exhibitors. Non-exhibitors pay $10 per day for the camping. Food on the grounds is abundent, good, and cheap; generally done by service organizations as a fund raiser. Free gasoline is provided to exhibitors for their exhibit engines. Rally plaques are free to exhibitors. Granted they are silkscreened sheet aluminum not the massive cast brass varity given in other parts of the world, but they suffice. I sincerely hope that you will pass contact info along to the National Rally Committee at the first opportunity. http://www.adamswells.com/%7Etristate/tractorshow.htm The National folks are SERIOUSLY out of touch with the world-wide engine rally mainstream and should REALLY gather some of the "best practices" from organizers like the folks at Portland who are getting ready for their 39th annual "National Rally." See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA USA fero_ah at city-net.com PS - Portland also manages heaving crowds of spectators around running engines and exhibits with a single strand of rope between 'em and no carnage. But that's another discussion.... 8-)) On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, Adam Cottrill wrote: > I felt I had to reply to this one, I was at a meeting of the (NHMA) > National Rally committee last Thursday in South Aus and it seems after > some internal difficulties you most likely know about they are getting > things back on track. > > I'm not sure if you realise how much an event of this size costs to > put on? You just don't wake up one morning and decide I'm going to > hold a national rally. A good example of this is the portable toilets > costing $17,000 for the event. In stead of complaining about that > costs supply a solution of how a cost such as this can be paid for or > eliminated from the rally... should one bring there own toilet paper? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From prepair at easynet.co.uk Wed Jul 21 07:21:45 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:21:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally In-Reply-To: <007501c46f29$520fb580$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> References: <007501c46f29$520fb580$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <8pusf0t2r6f3drt73f1i48539paetjs557@4ax.com> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:47:50 -0500, you wrote: >Sounds to me like that was an event to make money, not to put on a show for >the public and enjoyment of the hobby. >Bill I think it always ends up that way, as soon as the profit from the show takes precedent over the show itself, then it starts to fall apart for the visiting public. On a separate forum there has been discussion about the Fairford Air Show, with tickets at the gate of ?35.00 each adult ( that is $65.00 each!) The smaller events are taking more visitors these days as long as they keep the costs and ticket prices under control. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Wed Jul 21 07:33:36 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:33:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] olds References: <001001c46e0f$87394a20$576854d2@Young1203> Message-ID: <15c801c46f2f$b5f9a780$0301a8c0@ALEC> The olds engines only had the # stamped on the tag. If you are missing the tag, you will not find a serial #. You have a 1906-1916 guess on the later ones and a better guess on the earlier ones. Good luck Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Young" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] olds > > I dont know where else the serial no. is stamped other than the plate which > is on the (now missing) crank guard. The larger engines - 4A, 5A and 6A - > have a nose plate where there is a spot for the number to be stamped, > although a lot have nothing stamped there at all. > >> > top right hand corner. are the serial no stamped on the engine anyware? > > thanks for the quick reply dave in oz > > > > > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Wed Jul 21 07:45:06 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:45:06 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally References: <34468334432c.34432c344683@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <40FE8172.D0EB8BC0@insulate.co.uk> Arnie Fero wrote: > The National folks are SERIOUSLY out of touch with the world-wide engine > rally mainstream and should REALLY gather some of the "best practices" > from organizers like the folks at Portland who are getting ready for > their 39th annual "National Rally." I believe it will be possible to do just that in the next couple of editions of GEM ;-) Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Jul 21 06:53:10 2004 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:53:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally In-Reply-To: <00d501c46eff$69c5c0e0$57111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040721232959.00b7e5c8@mail.ncable.com.au> Interesting to see how prices effect individuals Reg, (btw guys - yes i'm still alive!) I kinda read it different in that. Now my family would not see the humor in 4 days worth of engines so I'm on my own. Lets see, Thursday night would be a tin of braised steak and veg at $2.50! plus 1/2 slab of beer =$16.00 thats 18.50 for a single! do that again on Friday so Im up to $37 for 2 nights. Accomodation would be gate crashing in Morris's tent or Cam Grundys trailor! Now the entertainment provided by the above mentioned alone is well worth the $37 dollars! As long as the farting and burping aint to strong. Saturday night is up the pub for a steak and a purve! mmmmm few beers, $40.00 I recon. Coffee's cheap because we can Con Liz Sulivan into making one for us. Well I always seem to pay $15 for a badge so I'll do it again. $40 for 4 days of hot showers when you feel shit house in the morning could be quite good value! And $6 bucks to enter. $138.00 plus a few panadol. I don't get to many Rally's and wouldn't miss the national for quids! Reasonably cheep fun for 4 days if you look at it like that. I recon it cost me that just to spend 5 hours at seaworld. Russell BTW: I hope your $17000 buys a lot of shitters Adam! That sure does sound like someone is taking you guys for a ride??? At 01:20 PM 21/07/2004 +1000, you wrote: >Here is a breakdown of cost for a family of four at the event. >Thurs night BBQ $40 >Fri Night BBQ $40 >Sat night meal @$30 PP $120 >Rally badge $15 (No free plaques at our >events) >Registration per exhibitor $6 >Camping(No power, etc.) >$10 PP P night 4nights $160 >Admissions for the wife >and kids assuming $10 PP $90 > >This adds up to $471.00 and that is just the start of it! >Then there is the costs of getting there, all other meals, etc.etc.etc. >Our fuel is $1 a litre now. not cheap! >I really doubt if this sort of expense is justified for an engine show. > >I am most interested to hear the views of you others on this matter . >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jul 21 08:04:24 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:04:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] More Maytag questions Message-ID: <40FE85F8.2060508@imc-group.com> The excellent advice from the list (even Arnie's) helped to safely get the flywheel loose on the Maytag twin. I have two more questions: 1) The fuel tank is off. How do I get the brass fuel pick up tube out of the upper housing? The two set screws only seem to hold onto the air inlet tube. 2) After removing the flywheel and ignition plate there is a crankcase end plate with a large hex on it. Does this unscrew to get into the crankcase? Is it RH or LH threads? Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jul 21 08:14:27 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:14:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A Baker Monitor question Message-ID: <40FE8853.3090707@imc-group.com> Making several new shafts for Devin's Baker Monitor. It looks like the parts are held on the shafts with tapered keys. I've done measuring and some math on the tapers and am not coming up with the standard 1 in 100 taper or 1/8 per foot. Taper works out to as little as .192/ft to as much as .480/ft. While difficult to measure on narrow parts (only an inch wide), generally I'll be in the ballpark, but this is not even close to standard! Does anyone know if Baker used nonstandard, steeper tapers in fixing hubs and gears to the shafts? Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From mtucker at uky.edu Wed Jul 21 08:19:13 2004 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:19:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] More Maytag questions In-Reply-To: <40FE85F8.2060508@imc-group.com> References: <40FE85F8.2060508@imc-group.com> Message-ID: >1) The fuel tank is off. How do I get the brass fuel pick up tube >out of the upper housing? The two set screws only seem to hold onto >the air inlet tube. Curt, as I recall on Lincoln's 92 the pick up tube screws into the upper housing with regular ole RH threads See ya', Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From billalan at busynet.net Wed Jul 21 09:48:29 2004 From: billalan at busynet.net (Bill Herreid) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:48:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Telephone I.D. In-Reply-To: <007601c46ed3$04fd7210$d3f70cd1@VAIO> References: <007601c46ed3$04fd7210$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <40FE9E5D.6000101@busynet.net> I tried some of the reverse lookup pages, and they could not match it to a name. This could mean it is a cell phone number. From the Cheddar Curtain - Bill From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Wed Jul 21 11:05:08 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:05:08 +0200 Subject: [SEL] A Baker Monitor question References: <40FE8853.3090707@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000b01c46f4d$4673b6d0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Curt, I'm not quite sure what you mean, but on my 4 hp ball hopper Monitor are no tapered keys. Maybe at some point Monitor changed to other keys? Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "SEL(new)" Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 5:14 PM Subject: [SEL] A Baker Monitor question > Making several new shafts for Devin's Baker Monitor. It looks like the > parts are held on the shafts with tapered keys. > I've done measuring and some math on the tapers and am not coming up > with the standard 1 in 100 taper or 1/8 per foot. > Taper works out to as little as .192/ft to as much as .480/ft. > While difficult to measure on narrow parts (only an inch wide), > generally I'll be in the ballpark, but this is not even close to standard! > > Does anyone know if Baker used nonstandard, steeper tapers in fixing > hubs and gears to the shafts? > Thanks, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Wed Jul 21 11:23:30 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:23:30 +0200 Subject: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers References: <200407201152.i6KBpx8P028555@heavyiron.atis.net> <40FD5193.1090104@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <005901c46f4f$d5f8fa20$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> I think that generally fuel savers were only used on engines over 2-3 HP. My 2 hp Stover A has no fuel saver, the bigger 3 hp YB does has one. Small Associated had no fuel saver, the bigger did have one. Fairbanks used them on the 3 HP T types and bigger engines. The headless Witte has a fuel saver. International used them on there Famous line. I think on higher speeds with bigger engines it was necessary to prevent the intake valve from fluttering. > Can anyone name other engines that used the fuel saver feature to this list? > How about a list of engines that did not use the feature? > As Reg mentioned, bore size necessitated the use of the fuel saver. Are > there some manufacturers of engines that used fuel savers on their > larger HP engines but did not use them on their smaller HP engines? > Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Fuel Savers From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jul 21 11:50:59 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:50:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A Baker Monitor question References: <40FE8853.3090707@imc-group.com> <000b01c46f4d$4673b6d0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: <40FEBB13.1040707@imc-group.com> Ref: Curt, I'm not quite sure what you mean.... Harry, On each part mounted on a shaft such as gears and pump jack arms, the key ways are broached on an angle instead of parallel to the bore. This allows a slip fit of the part. After each part is in place a tapered key, sometimes called a gib key, is driven in until it locks up. This locks the gear to the shaft. As a manufacturing method it greatly reduced the complexity of assembly. Whereas a .001/.002" interference fit required the female part to be heated, usually 300 to 400 degrees F to allow enough expansion to slide on the shaft. The taper is very slight, generally is around .010 per inch of hub width and is easily mistaken for a straight broached key way. Baker used tapered keys and cut the gib head off, grinding the keys flush with the ends of the shafts. This makes them impossible to remove and the only way to take the engines apart without risking breaking the cast parts is to just bore the shafts out of the hubs, intersecting the key ways. Once the key ways are driven in towards the now hollow shaft the shaft shrinks and is easily pulled out. You have to make new shafts, but that's OK, you saved the castings and generally the shafts are worn out anyway. Curt Harry Terpstra wrote: >Curt, > >I'm not quite sure what you mean, but on my 4 hp ball hopper Monitor are no >tapered keys. >Maybe at some point Monitor changed to other keys? > > >Harry Terpstra >Sint Anna Parochie >Netherlands >h.terpstra at wxs.nl >http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Curt Holland" >To: "SEL(new)" >Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 5:14 PM >Subject: [SEL] A Baker Monitor question > > > > >>Making several new shafts for Devin's Baker Monitor. It looks like the >>parts are held on the shafts with tapered keys. >>I've done measuring and some math on the tapers and am not coming up >>with the standard 1 in 100 taper or 1/8 per foot. >>Taper works out to as little as .192/ft to as much as .480/ft. >>While difficult to measure on narrow parts (only an inch wide), >>generally I'll be in the ballpark, but this is not even close to standard! >> >>Does anyone know if Baker used nonstandard, steeper tapers in fixing >>hubs and gears to the shafts? >>Thanks, >>Curt Holland >>Gastonia, NC >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Wed Jul 21 11:55:34 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:55:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Early Kohler info needed Message-ID: <175c01c46f54$4e321ea0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Does anyone have info or pics of a 1920ish Kohler 4 cylinder Gen set??? I have a friend who is looking for 1 or alot of info about them, Anything would be appreciated, Tks, Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 From greatness99 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 21 12:01:56 2004 From: greatness99 at hotmail.com (George Vaughan) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:01:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Telephone I.D. Message-ID: Hey Paul. Go to Google.com and then type in the phone number when the search block shows up. Pretty interesting site it takes you to. >From: "Paul Maples" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine List" >Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Telephone I.D. >Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:30:02 -0500 > >Hey Gang I need to find out who this number belongs to: 402-517-9978 > >I just got a call from this number and surely there is a way to find out >who >this number belongs to. Any of you super sleuths want to take this on as a >challenge, if so please contact me off list. I know that area code 402 is >Omaha, Nebraska but this is all I know. Thanks for the help. > >Paul > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Wed Jul 21 12:27:00 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:27:00 +0200 Subject: [SEL] A Baker Monitor question References: <40FE8853.3090707@imc-group.com> <000b01c46f4d$4673b6d0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> <40FEBB13.1040707@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <027b01c46f58$b53b3ce0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> I see what you mean Curt, I guess these are mainly the parts of the pump gears right? grinding the keys flush with the shaft sure makes it look nice, but taking it apart is not so easy ;-) Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Baker Monitor question > Ref: Curt, > I'm not quite sure what you mean.... > Harry, > On each part mounted on a shaft such as gears and pump jack arms, the > key ways are broached on an angle instead of parallel to the bore. This > allows a slip fit of the part. After each part is in place a tapered > key, sometimes called a gib key, is driven in until it locks up. This > locks the gear to the shaft. > > As a manufacturing method it greatly reduced the complexity of assembly. > Whereas a .001/.002" interference fit required the female part to be > heated, usually 300 to 400 degrees F to allow enough expansion to slide > on the shaft. > > The taper is very slight, generally is around .010 per inch of hub width > and is easily mistaken for a straight broached key way. > > Baker used tapered keys and cut the gib head off, grinding the keys > flush with the ends of the shafts. This makes them impossible to remove > and the only way to take the engines apart without risking breaking the > cast parts is to just bore the shafts out of the hubs, intersecting the > key ways. Once the key ways are driven in towards the now hollow shaft > the shaft shrinks and is easily pulled out. You have to make new shafts, > but that's OK, you saved the castings and generally the shafts are worn > out anyway. > Curt > > > Harry Terpstra wrote: > > >Curt, > > > >I'm not quite sure what you mean, but on my 4 hp ball hopper Monitor are no > >tapered keys. > >Maybe at some point Monitor changed to other keys? > > > > > >Harry Terpstra > >Sint Anna Parochie > >Netherlands > >h.terpstra at wxs.nl > >http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Curt Holland" > >To: "SEL(new)" > >Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 5:14 PM > >Subject: [SEL] A Baker Monitor question > > > > > > > > > >>Making several new shafts for Devin's Baker Monitor. It looks like the > >>parts are held on the shafts with tapered keys. > >>I've done measuring and some math on the tapers and am not coming up > >>with the standard 1 in 100 taper or 1/8 per foot. > >>Taper works out to as little as .192/ft to as much as .480/ft. > >>While difficult to measure on narrow parts (only an inch wide), > >>generally I'll be in the ballpark, but this is not even close to standard! > >> > >>Does anyone know if Baker used nonstandard, steeper tapers in fixing > >>hubs and gears to the shafts? > >>Thanks, > >>Curt Holland > >>Gastonia, NC > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jul 21 12:54:19 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:54:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A Baker Monitor question References: <40FE8853.3090707@imc-group.com> <000b01c46f4d$4673b6d0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> <40FEBB13.1040707@imc-group.com> <027b01c46f58$b53b3ce0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: <40FEC9EB.7010101@imc-group.com> Harry, Every part fitted to a shaft on this Baker Monitor is fitted with the tapered keys, both on the engine and on the pump jack. Makes for a lot of fun! Curt Harry Terpstra wrote: >I see what you mean Curt, >I guess these are mainly the parts of the pump gears right? >grinding the keys flush with the shaft sure makes it look nice, but taking >it apart is not so easy ;-) > > > > > From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 21 13:10:37 2004 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:10:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tornadoes Message-ID: >I can't begin to imagine what must go thru one's mind during a storm like >that even though it >happens in the wink of an eye. >Helen >George L. & Helen S. Myers >The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Helen, Too often, it's a 2 X 4 or equivalent. Many of the new homes hereabouts are being built with hardened rooms, either poured concrete or steel-clad timbers. There are even pre-built shelters one may incorporate in his old or new construction. http://www.stormxshelters.com/pages/1/index.htm http://www.fema.gov/hazards/tornadoes/npc_ts.shtm Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Lenexa, KS sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/ From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 21 13:31:44 2004 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:31:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] High Cost of Oz Rallies Message-ID: >I am most interested to hear the views of you others on this matter . >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold Reg, It's cheaper to fly to the states. Just this weekend, there's a great little show at Adrian, MO with a little something for everyone. Admission ain't much, 3 bucks a day, or 5 for the three days. I will celebrate our 39th anniversary there, and stop by the Aubrey BBQ in Drexel on the way home to pick up some ribs to take home. It's the least I can do for Duckems. http://www.wmatma.com/ Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Lenexa, KS sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page ? FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Jul 21 15:37:53 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:37:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Message response time In-Reply-To: <01d801c46e42$0ba6e380$f9121bd3@athlon> References: <00e201c46ba9$a2e92550$d0f70cd1@VAIO> <027201c46e00$5c03e130$0400a8c0@Dave> <01d801c46e42$0ba6e380$f9121bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <9A730724-DB66-11D8-9355-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> At his age, that probably started long ago. > Hey Dave, I WONDERED when you couldnt hold it any longer!!! > VBG John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Jul 21 15:46:53 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:46:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A Message from the Past In-Reply-To: <01c601c46e57$7169dd70$c5f70cd1@VAIO> References: <01c601c46e57$7169dd70$c5f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: > I GOT > A MESSAGE JUST AWHILE AGO THAT I HAD SENT OVER A YEAR AGO AND IT WAS > SENT TO > THE OLD SEL ADDRESS. A virus sent by somebody's infected computer that had that old message on the hard drive. I hope you're well protected if you opened it. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Jul 21 15:52:09 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:52:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally In-Reply-To: <001901c46ea3$b9aec5e0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> References: <001001c46ea3$7348ec20$1d0d1bd3@athlon> <001901c46ea3$b9aec5e0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <99218DA0-DB68-11D8-9355-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> John, I always understood that as "Head 'em up, move 'em out!" I think "hit 'em up" is what the cowpokes did to the cows after they set up camp. On Jul 20, 2004, at 5:51 PM, John Hammink wrote: > Hit'em up, move them out Reg!! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Jul 21 15:59:23 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:59:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A Message from the Past In-Reply-To: <00cd01c46eff$30303cc0$57111bd3@athlon> References: <01c601c46e57$7169dd70$c5f70cd1@VAIO> <00cd01c46eff$30303cc0$57111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <9BAB3C16-DB69-11D8-9355-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Whoever's infected with that virus sending out "A Message From The Past" has my address and the one for antique-tractors.com in his computer. I just got a bounce from that tractor list saying I'd tried to post that message and wasn't a member. John On Jul 20, 2004, at 6:56 PM, Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > <,.......anyone else >> getting any messages from the past?> John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Jul 21 16:12:05 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 01:12:05 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally References: <001001c46ea3$7348ec20$1d0d1bd3@athlon><001901c46ea3$b9aec5e0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> <99218DA0-DB68-11D8-9355-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <000b01c46f78$23c861f0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> That's exactly what I meant John, but in this case the OZ Nat club Directors instead of the cows :o) John H. > John, I always understood that as "Head 'em up, move 'em out!" I think > "hit 'em up" is what the cowpokes did to the cows after they set up > camp. > > On Jul 20, 2004, at 5:51 PM, John Hammink wrote: > > > Hit'em up, move them out Reg!! > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jul 21 15:44:54 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:44:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A Baker Monitor question References: <40FE8853.3090707@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <011d01c46f83$aeb4cd20$62111bd3@athlon> Hey, a lot depended on the apprentice filing them! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "SEL(new)" Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 1:14 AM Subject: [SEL] A Baker Monitor question > Making several new shafts for Devin's Baker Monitor. It looks like the > parts are held on the shafts with tapered keys. > I've done measuring and some math on the tapers and am not coming up > with the standard 1 in 100 taper or 1/8 per foot. > Taper works out to as little as .192/ft to as much as .480/ft. > While difficult to measure on narrow parts (only an inch wide), > generally I'll be in the ballpark, but this is not even close to standard! > > Does anyone know if Baker used nonstandard, steeper tapers in fixing > hubs and gears to the shafts? From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jul 21 17:13:11 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:13:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re nat rally Message-ID: <012001c46f83$b121d580$62111bd3@athlon> Thankyou all for the comments on the costs of the rally. Taking these into account, I shall draft a message to the organisers. On view shortly. To Adam Cotrill. I am trying to get across to the NHMA and the club who are running the rally that, If the prices they are charging are too high, then they wont have the attendance. If there is discontent, this will be a dampener on the event. The ongoing result will be that there will be less urge to attend the next one. Thus things decline. There ARE more ways of running an event than to overcharge the exhibitors After all, we are the ones who,at our own expense, bring together a collection of rare machinery in one place that is called an engine show. Without our efforts there is no show. Under the 'leadership' of the NHMA, the shows have been overpriced, less than well organised, and as such, not as enjoyable as they could have been. As to your comment about the rise in membership, these are figures on paper. Sure clubs have a rise in members but, how many of them are active? Our club has around 150 members, but maybe 20 who have actually been seen at a meeting or event. If you have been going to shows for the last 18 years as I have, you will note that a lot of shows have disappeared or shrunk drastically in stature. Others have prospered. Ask yourself why this is so. When all is said and done, it is due to the enjoyment/cost ratio that the exhibitors get fron the event. So, until the NHMA change, there will not be much left when the older engine men have passed on. Their whole aim seems to be to keep everyone out, not encourage new blood. I know they are volunteers but that still does not make them right or infallable. At least my opening this subject has brought out in the open, what a cross section are thinking. It would be good if less 'lurked' on these sorts of matters and spoke out so the message gets across. Reg Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Jul 21 17:26:59 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:26:59 EDT Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Message-ID: <12b.46b95fa2.2e3063d3@aol.com> In a message dated 7/21/2004 10:09:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bill at antique-engines.com writes: << When you get rid of the same old bunch always doing the same old thing the same old way and get some new blood in and some competition and do things differently, you'll succeed in not only growing the show but reducing costs. >> Bill, Please elaborate! At our show the same ones unpack everything for the show, put up fences, mow, layout grounds and put up ropes, help park exhibitors, register and give out badge bags, collect entrance fees from spectators, put out and collect trash cans, fix food, take everything down and pack away for next year, etc., etc. Can't seem to get anyone else interested in working 14 hours a day for 3 days to put on a show. Most of the worker were retired when we started 13 years ago, getting worn out, and unless we get people interested in working the show it will fold in the next few years. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jul 21 17:34:00 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:34:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] letter to the Nat Rally organisers Message-ID: <012101c46f83$b1e21840$62111bd3@athlon> Here is what I will pass on to the organisers if you are happy with it. Reg Ingold 22 July 2004 37 Seaham St Homesville 2286. NSW. Sirs, I wish to inform you of the views of some members of the engine fraternity re the upcoming National Rally. We feel that having to pay entry for immediate family is not right. Unpowered camping should be free for exhibitors and their families. The cost of your dinner is too high. The rally badge is overpriced. These appear to be the main points that have arisen in an SEL internet discussion recently. My comments to you are that, A lot of the engine folk are retired or on limited finances. The costs incurred in bringing machinery to any event have risen due to fuel costs, etc. and being faced with the prices you have quoted in the entry forms makes for serious thought on whether to bother coming. I am aware of the costs of putting on an event but, there are other ways of funding. Also, the Nat Rally should not be a profit making exercise. Sincerely, Reg Ingold. From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 21 17:46:17 2004 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] More Maytag questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040722004617.82242.qmail@web14102.mail.yahoo.com> Yep, Curt, the fuel pickup line is threaded and screws into the housing. Just use a good pair of pliers and take hold of the 1/8" line near where it enters the housing. Should come right out. The lump at the other end also unscrews and there is a disk type check valve in it, plus the filter screen visible from the outer end. Ron Frost Must be you got home OK from Cool Springs. Neat saw rig you have there. Michael Tucker wrote: >1) The fuel tank is off. How do I get the brass fuel pick up tube >out of the upper housing? The two set screws only seem to hold onto >the air inlet tube. Curt, as I recall on Lincoln's 92 the pick up tube screws into the upper housing with regular ole RH threads See ya', Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! From pmaples at anaxis.net Wed Jul 21 17:56:35 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:56:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A Message from the Past References: <01c601c46e57$7169dd70$c5f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <000f01c46f86$f4f0d060$e2f70cd1@VAIO> John I got so much virus protection on my pc that it can hardly breathe. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Message from the Past > > I GOT > > A MESSAGE JUST AWHILE AGO THAT I HAD SENT OVER A YEAR AGO AND IT WAS > > SENT TO > > THE OLD SEL ADDRESS. > > A virus sent by somebody's infected computer that had that old message > on the hard drive. I hope you're well protected if you opened it. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Jul 21 20:41:31 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:41:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] letter to the Nat Rally organisers References: <012101c46f83$b1e21840$62111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <001101c46f9d$c7841fd0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Reg, Far to timid. Write as you did to Adam, or better yet, let Arnie write it for you. His wit and writing skills would certainly get their attention. My two cents worth. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "List SEL" Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: [SEL] letter to the Nat Rally organisers > Here is what I will pass on to the organisers if you are happy with it. > > > > > > Reg Ingold > 22 July 2004 > 37 Seaham St > Homesville 2286. > NSW. > > > Sirs, > I wish to inform you of the views of some members of the engine fraternity > re the upcoming National Rally. > We feel that having to pay entry for immediate family is not right. > Unpowered camping should be free for exhibitors and their families. > The cost of your dinner is too high. > The rally badge is overpriced. > These appear to be the main points that have arisen in an SEL internet > discussion recently. > My comments to you are that, A lot of the engine folk are retired or on > limited finances. > The costs incurred in bringing machinery to any event have risen due to fuel > costs, etc. and being faced with the prices you have quoted in the entry > forms makes for serious thought on whether to bother coming. > I am aware of the costs of putting on an event but, there are other ways of > funding. Also, the Nat Rally should not be a profit making exercise. > > Sincerely, Reg Ingold. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jul 21 21:41:19 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 00:41:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A Message from the Past References: <01c601c46e57$7169dd70$c5f70cd1@VAIO><066f01c46ed2$557b0690$0400a8c0@Dave><007c01c46ed3$4b621350$d3f70cd1@VAIO><074a01c46ed4$77889b60$0400a8c0@Dave> <008c01c46ed6$041bbd40$d3f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <075f01c46fa6$225ab240$0400a8c0@Dave> I bought her a MAYTAG washer for her birthday last year and she hasn't even started it as yet. Until she does, she can keep using the scissors that I gave her for X-mas several years ago. We only have a little over 4 acres that needs to be mowed! Dave > Darn Dave I figured by now you would have posted pictures of the wife out > mowing the yard with it. As I recall this was the reason you bought it. > > Paul > > > Hi Paul, > > I had intended to work on the Ideal this month. However with all the > OT > > posts to the List (particularly those having to do with broken computers) > I > > just haven't had time to do any engine work. Perhaps next month people > will > > slow down a bit with their OT posts and I will have some time to get out > to > > the shop! > > Dave > > PS, Yes, it's on the back burner, but coming along ever so slowly. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jul 22 01:50:00 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:50:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] letter to the Nat Rally organisers References: <012101c46f83$b1e21840$62111bd3@athlon> <001101c46f9d$c7841fd0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <01ad01c46fc8$e372a420$62111bd3@athlon> I have tried to stay right on the subject with no room for critisism, personalities etc. My comments to Adam were a different ballgame. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] letter to the Nat Rally organisers > Reg, > > Far to timid. Write as you did to Adam, or better yet, let Arnie write it > for you. His wit and writing skills would certainly get their attention. My > two cents worth. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > To: "List SEL" > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 6:34 PM > Subject: [SEL] letter to the Nat Rally organisers > > > > Here is what I will pass on to the organisers if you are happy with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg Ingold > > 22 July 2004 > > 37 Seaham St > > Homesville 2286. > > NSW. > > > > > > Sirs, > > I wish to inform you of the views of some members of the engine fraternity > > re the upcoming National Rally. > > We feel that having to pay entry for immediate family is not right. > > Unpowered camping should be free for exhibitors and their families. > > The cost of your dinner is too high. > > The rally badge is overpriced. > > These appear to be the main points that have arisen in an SEL internet > > discussion recently. > > My comments to you are that, A lot of the engine folk are retired or on > > limited finances. > > The costs incurred in bringing machinery to any event have risen due to > fuel > > costs, etc. and being faced with the prices you have quoted in the entry > > forms makes for serious thought on whether to bother coming. > > I am aware of the costs of putting on an event but, there are other ways > of > > funding. Also, the Nat Rally should not be a profit making exercise. > > > > Sincerely, Reg Ingold. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Thu Jul 22 01:51:09 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:51:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally Message-ID: yes i agree with you Russel after all it is only every 2 years , how often do we save up for months just to go on holidays each year only to blow it all on a couple of weeks fun the memories soon fade but the memory of a rare engine stays with us for years all in the hope of finding one some day. Dave >From: Russell Gilbert >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat rally >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:53:10 +1000 > >Interesting to see how prices effect individuals Reg, (btw guys - yes i'm >still alive!) I kinda read it different in that. Now my family would not >see the humor in 4 days worth of engines so I'm on my own. Lets see, >Thursday night would be a tin of braised steak and veg at $2.50! plus 1/2 >slab of beer =$16.00 thats 18.50 for a single! do that again on Friday so >Im up to $37 for 2 nights. Accomodation would be gate crashing in Morris's >tent or Cam Grundys trailor! Now the entertainment provided by the above >mentioned alone is well worth the $37 dollars! As long as the farting and >burping aint to strong. Saturday night is up the pub for a steak and a >purve! mmmmm few beers, $40.00 I recon. Coffee's cheap because we can Con >Liz Sulivan into making one for us. Well I always seem to pay $15 for a >badge so I'll do it again. $40 for 4 days of hot showers when you feel >shit house in the morning could be quite good value! And $6 bucks to enter. > $138.00 plus a few panadol. > >I don't get to many Rally's and wouldn't miss the national for quids! >Reasonably cheep fun for 4 days if you look at it like that. I recon it >cost me that just to spend 5 hours at seaworld. >Russell > >BTW: I hope your $17000 buys a lot of shitters Adam! That sure does sound >like someone is taking you guys for a ride??? > >At 01:20 PM 21/07/2004 +1000, you wrote: >>Here is a breakdown of cost for a family of four at the event. >>Thurs night BBQ $40 >>Fri Night BBQ $40 >>Sat night meal @$30 PP $120 >>Rally badge $15 (No free plaques at our >>events) >>Registration per exhibitor $6 >>Camping(No power, etc.) >>$10 PP P night 4nights $160 >>Admissions for the wife >>and kids assuming $10 PP $90 >> >>This adds up to $471.00 and that is just the start of it! >>Then there is the costs of getting there, all other meals, etc.etc.etc. >>Our fuel is $1 a litre now. not cheap! >>I really doubt if this sort of expense is justified for an engine show. >> >>I am most interested to hear the views of you others on this matter . >>Reg & Marg Ingold. >>Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >Russell Gilbert >Sunny Sunraysia >russell at ncable.com.au >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Feeling spent? Apply here for emergency plastic surgery: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;9577691;9687279;r?http://www.promo.com.au/virgincreditcard/plasticsurgery/track.cfm?source=P08 From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Jul 22 02:07:55 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:07:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Stirling model castings for sale on EBAY (Australia) Message-ID: <004901c46fcb$603f4560$06856ad5@one> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5911058078&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT#ebayphotohosting Dave Croft Warrington England http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From wara at ozemail.com.au Thu Jul 22 03:05:47 2004 From: wara at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:05:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] olds - now dating them References: Message-ID: <001e01c46fd3$77b91f60$ec6854d2@Young1203> Hi, the following might help with dating Olds engines. The letter prefix on an Olds type A serial no. - as stamped on the name plate/tag - can tell you more about the engine than the number itself. The following is what I have figured out after a few years of recording serial numbers and engine details, not to mention Olds catalogues, books etc. There is a bit a guess work, but the following gives a guide at least. No Letter: Some really early Type A engines did not have a letter prefix. These were the engines with the Olds Gas Engine Works tag. The engines had an earlier carb design quite different to the trumpet like intake and suction design most usually associated with Type A engines. Some early engines also had a bolt on head. The serial numbers of these engines may have continued on from the gearless Olds (Type E). The Type G and the later Gearless were also made with the Olds Gas Engine Works tag. Type A engines with this tag would have been made in 1904/05. B prefix. This denotes an engine with the Olds Gas Power Company tag. The numbers appear to have started again and go up to about 9,500. Possibly sometime in 1906 the familiar trumpet like suction carb came into being. Although the carb design wasn't patented until 1911, it was in use much earlier, indicating a long delay between patent application and grant. If you have a B serial number engine it seems it was made from ~1906 - 1910. D prefix. These are the engines with the Seager Engine Works plate. The name change did not bring about any real changes to the design, however the numbers seem to have started again. Whether they started from 000 or not I don't know. The name change occurred in mid 1910 according to the BRB. Therefore, you are making a mistake if you think a B5000 serial numbered engine is the same as a D5000 serial numbered engine. If you have D serial number engine, it was made in 1910 or later. F prefix. It seems these are the engines sold by Rumely Products Company from about 1912. I am not sure how long the arrangement with Rumely lasted, but it wasnt long. Maybe just a couple of years. The numbers appear to continue on from the Seager engines. If anyone can correct any matters of fact in the above, please let me know. I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has an Olds with a known purchase date. This could help firm up the above date estimates. Thanks. Michael YoungMichael Young 5 Beech Crescent, Orange, NSW, 2800 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 4:43 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] olds > hi patrick, i got a reply from smokstak the engine serial no is stamped > into the top of the piston. i found no 4994 on mine . dave > > > >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > >Subject: RE: [SEL] olds > >Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:05:23 +1000 > > > >Hi Dave, > >Your engine would probably be identical to Ron Sullivan's engine. I cannot > >remember the engine number on his engine being anywhere other than on the > >plate but we will have a search of the engine when it is dug out of storage > >:) > >As a wild guess (from looking at lots of American engines) I would suggest > >looking at the ends of the crank, flywheel hubs, flywheel rims and faces, > >and on top of the cylinder. > >Patrick > > > >Patrick M Livingstone > >Leichhardt NSW > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > >-----Original Message----- > > > >Hi Michael, the crank guard is missing as well as the carby but it is the > >same as the engine on page 358 in the brb of wendel's. it is the one in the > >top right hand corner. are the serial no stamped on the engine anyware? > >thanks for the quick reply dave in oz > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find love today with ninemsn personals. Click here: > http://ninemsn.match.com?referrer=hotmailtagline > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From adamcottrill at telstra.com Thu Jul 22 03:34:47 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:34:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 22 Message-ID: <36e39a36ffb3.36ffb336e39a@email.bigpond.com> Hi everyone and Reg, Thanks so much for all your responses, I agree there are costs to attend an event like this are mounting again I pose the question and the challange give the organisers suggestions on how to reduce the costs, and it is this I also encourage you Reg you place in your letter and I congratulate you in the forsight to take this action. As for the club and members situation I agree you have people who do nothing but pay there dues each year in clubs yes my club has them too. But I cant think of any clubs in Victoria who aren't getting bigger maybe some of the other guys in Vic can raise some Orford, Goldsmith, Weddurburn, Bookaar, Hamilton and the Sumpoilers are going from strength to strength there is even a new rally being planned in Warrnambool in Jan next year. I think as a good example the Junction Rally on recently is a good gauge of how healthy the hobby is, no I didnt attend but from what I hear it was standing room only for exhbitiors by Saturday Lunch time. I'm right behind you on the lerking comment the more guys who say something as you have Reg the better the hobby will be positive debate is always good. The hobby and clubs have had to make changes and become more modern in a historical hobby, people dont like change in most cases older people are reluctant as they dont understand or are scared of the outcomes or on the other hand dont want to leave there comfort zone. Maybe the examples you placed Reg in NSW reflect this and I mean no disrespect in this comment to the older persons in this hobby. I will admit Reg as you breifly touched on rallys have almost become a business due to the requirements from local council, insurance and all the other stuff im sure you well know. No we should not be profited off, but at the same token the organisers have to break even. Think the other side of the card no exhibitors no rallys.... no rallys being organised no opertunity to exhibit. In closing your comments about the NHMA as valid as they may or maynot be I suggest you move to make a "alternative" to the NHMA, one of the other guys commented about competition brining prices down. Yes the NHMA does have the monopoly on clubs and exhibitors. When you wish to do this Reg please let me know I would be more than happy to help you in putting this togeather and would welcome sitting down with you and working through it. . Cheers, Adam From oldengines at bigpond.com Thu Jul 22 03:39:28 2004 From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron & Liz Sullivan) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:39:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat rally References: Message-ID: <001401c46fd8$2a380530$d2e18690@ronliz1> Hi All I must side with Reg the camping prices should at least have power I dont mind spending a dollar or 2 . Anyway I know a gourmet chef that will be slurping piss; burping and farting, should be able To set up a menu for our nights of fun at a good price. and for you blokes who don,t have to drive far can't wait till Qld. Ron & Liz {coffee &tea maker ] ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat rally > yes i agree with you Russel after all it is only every 2 years , how often > do we save up for months just to go on holidays each year only to blow it > all on a couple of weeks fun the memories soon fade but the memory of a rare > engine stays with us for years all in the hope of finding one some day. > Dave > > > >From: Russell Gilbert > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat rally > >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:53:10 +1000 > > > >Interesting to see how prices effect individuals Reg, (btw guys - yes i'm > >still alive!) I kinda read it different in that. Now my family would not > >see the humor in 4 days worth of engines so I'm on my own. Lets see, > >Thursday night would be a tin of braised steak and veg at $2.50! plus 1/2 > >slab of beer =$16.00 thats 18.50 for a single! do that again on Friday so > >Im up to $37 for 2 nights. Accomodation would be gate crashing in Morris's > >tent or Cam Grundys trailor! Now the entertainment provided by the above > >mentioned alone is well worth the $37 dollars! As long as the farting and > >burping aint to strong. Saturday night is up the pub for a steak and a > >purve! mmmmm few beers, $40.00 I recon. Coffee's cheap because we can Con > >Liz Sulivan into making one for us. Well I always seem to pay $15 for a > >badge so I'll do it again. $40 for 4 days of hot showers when you feel > >shit house in the morning could be quite good value! And $6 bucks to enter. > > $138.00 plus a few panadol. > > > >I don't get to many Rally's and wouldn't miss the national for quids! > >Reasonably cheep fun for 4 days if you look at it like that. I recon it > >cost me that just to spend 5 hours at seaworld. > >Russell > > > >BTW: I hope your $17000 buys a lot of shitters Adam! That sure does sound > >like someone is taking you guys for a ride??? > > > >At 01:20 PM 21/07/2004 +1000, you wrote: > >>Here is a breakdown of cost for a family of four at the event. > >>Thurs night BBQ $40 > >>Fri Night BBQ $40 > >>Sat night meal @$30 PP $120 > >>Rally badge $15 (No free plaques at our > >>events) > >>Registration per exhibitor $6 > >>Camping(No power, etc.) > >>$10 PP P night 4nights $160 > >>Admissions for the wife > >>and kids assuming $10 PP $90 > >> > >>This adds up to $471.00 and that is just the start of it! > >>Then there is the costs of getting there, all other meals, etc.etc.etc. > >>Our fuel is $1 a litre now. not cheap! > >>I really doubt if this sort of expense is justified for an engine show. > >> > >>I am most interested to hear the views of you others on this matter . > >>Reg & Marg Ingold. > >>Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > >>randmingold at hotkey.net.au > >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >Russell Gilbert > >Sunny Sunraysia > >russell at ncable.com.au > >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Feeling spent? Apply here for emergency plastic surgery: > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;9577691;9687279;r?http://www.promo.com.au/virgincreditcard/plasticsurgery/track.cfm?source=P08 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Thu Jul 22 04:36:49 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:36:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Older club members...... References: <40FFA3B4.4020307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <40FFA6D1.9090807@imc-group.com> Oops! Sorry about reposting this to the SEL. Was intending to send this to some of our club members. Must have hit "reply" instead of "forward". Haven't had my wake up juice yet! Curt Curt Holland wrote: > Sound familiar? Other clubs have the same woes we have! > Curt > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Jul 22 05:01:24 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:01:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] olds - now dating them In-Reply-To: <001e01c46fd3$77b91f60$ec6854d2@Young1203> References: <001e01c46fd3$77b91f60$ec6854d2@Young1203> Message-ID: <40FFAC94.5090901@scrtc.com> Michael, Good info on the Olds dating. However, there are some "screwy" things that happen when trying to pinpoint a date for an Olds (or other engines for that matter). The sale or delivery date of the old iron often doesn't match the construction date. My 6 HP Gearless is a good example. The Gearless production ended sometime around the turn of the century. I have the original sales receipt, delivery ticket (from the depot) and even the original order placed for the engine. It is dated April 1906. The Type A engines were in production then. My Gearless was sold by the Lunt Moss Company. Discussing this with others, we determined that possibly when the switch over was made from the gearless to the other models, there was possibly a good supply of the gearless engines warehoused. They were possibly shipped to the jobbers such as Lunt Moss, with the Type A's going to the regular Olds suppliers/dealers. I don't know much about my 10 HP Type G and the date on it. It has quite a bit of similarity to the Gearless engines however. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Michael Young wrote: > Hi, > > the following might help with dating Olds engines. The letter prefix on an > Olds type A serial no. - as stamped on the name plate/tag - can tell you > more about the engine than the number itself. The following is what I have > figured out after a few years of recording serial numbers and engine > details, not to mention Olds catalogues, books etc. There is a bit a guess > work, but the following gives a guide at least. > > > No Letter: Some really early Type A engines did not have a letter prefix. > These were the engines with the Olds Gas Engine Works tag. The engines had > an earlier carb design quite different to the trumpet like intake and > suction design most usually associated with Type A engines. Some early > engines also had a bolt on head. The serial numbers of these engines may > have continued on from the gearless Olds (Type E). The Type G and the later > Gearless were also made with the Olds Gas Engine Works tag. Type A engines > with this tag would have been made in 1904/05. > From pmaples at anaxis.net Thu Jul 22 06:21:12 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:21:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A Message from the Past References: <01c601c46e57$7169dd70$c5f70cd1@VAIO><066f01c46ed2$557b0690$0400a8c0@Dave><007c01c46ed3$4b621350$d3f70cd1@VAIO><074a01c46ed4$77889b60$0400a8c0@Dave><008c01c46ed6$041bbd40$d3f70cd1@VAIO> <075f01c46fa6$225ab240$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <00a001c46fee$c4f5f710$edf70cd1@VAIO> Well now Mr. Dave I must admit that you are not setting a very good example for her, after all you went and buried a hatchet in the head of that poor defenseless Maytag that you have and she may have gotten the idea this could happen to her if she upset the old professor, reckon that could have anything to do with it?. I mean after all, you don't appear to be the easiest going bloke I have seen, .....sinking hatchets in little Maytag's, toting heaters (guns) around, wearing diapers and Arnie had done told all of us that you had a derringer in that diaper, imbibing a lot of the pearl pop with the foam on top. Why the poor girl is probably terrified that if she starts the New Maytag washer a wookalard (unnamed monster) may jump out of it and consume her. You must calm down and present a more calmly figure to your little Jenny and then she will be more receptive to change. Now this is just my take on the situation and I could be wrong. Maybe some of the other list members have a different opinion why Jenny is rejecting your offers of such nice gifts and they will write back and tell you, we may be able to get this issue resolved for you but you must be willing to accept sound advice and then apply it or there will be no hope for you becoming a better husband to poor little Jenny. What about it gang, do any of you have any good advice for OLE Dave, I mean this is bad news, his wife not accepting these wonderful gifts that he goes out of his way to buy her. This could be the early beginnings of a D..I..V..O..R..C..E and I, and I know all of you, don't want to see this, so let's help Dave through his dark period of his life. Hang in there OLE Buddy help will be forthcoming. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Message from the Past > I bought her a MAYTAG washer for her birthday last year and she hasn't even > started it as yet. Until she does, she can keep using the scissors that I > gave her for X-mas several years ago. We only have a little over 4 acres > that needs to be mowed! > Dave > > Darn Dave I figured by now you would have posted pictures of the wife out > > mowing the yard with it. As I recall this was the reason you bought it. > > > > Paul > > > > > > Hi Paul, > > > I had intended to work on the Ideal this month. However with all the > > OT > > > posts to the List (particularly those having to do with broken > computers) > > I > > > just haven't had time to do any engine work. Perhaps next month people > > will > > > slow down a bit with their OT posts and I will have some time to get out > > to > > > the shop! > > > Dave > > > PS, Yes, it's on the back burner, but coming along ever so slowly. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Thu Jul 22 07:29:27 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:29:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <183601c46ff8$4b8b4f10$0301a8c0@ALEC> This is a test, Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Thu Jul 22 07:45:16 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:45:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] olds - now dating them References: <001e01c46fd3$77b91f60$ec6854d2@Young1203> Message-ID: <183b01c46ffa$81a13770$0301a8c0@ALEC> Michael, As Tommy said, somethings are not as they appear, I have the serial #ers of the 18 hp Type G Olds that are in Keith K. July 2004 calender, Contrary to your "gas engine works" theroy. The red one has a serial # of 7354 and the tag says, Olds Gas Engine Works, I do believe this to be a 1900 engine. The other 18 hp Olds type G sitting right beside it has a "Gas Power Co." tag. serial c-295, with a patent date of 8-29-1905. My 18 hp type G has the gas engine works tag and has a serial # of 7813. I also have the serial # from a 12 hp Gearless, its 6119, and has the "Olds Gas Motor Works" tag. this is a heavy cast tag. the other 3 are etched tags,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, The main difference in the 18hp type G's are the fuel pump on the 7354 and 7813 engines go through the base to the fuel pump and need a bearing replaced , if it were used alot, the later "gas power " one with the 1905 patent, has a bent arm going on the outside of the base instead of through it, as well as the shoe type gov. system. the others have the vert. flyballs or the shoe. gov. Hope this clears up the mud, but I dont see how it can!!!!!!!!!!!!! Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 > have continued on from the gearless Olds (Type E). The Type G and the later > Gearless were also made with the Olds Gas Engine Works tag. Type A engines > with this tag would have been made in 1904/05. > B prefix. This denotes an engine with the Olds Gas Power Company tag. The > numbers appear to have started again and go up to about 9,500. Possibly > sometime in 1906 From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Thu Jul 22 08:28:35 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:28:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] early Kohler info . needed Message-ID: <185f01c47000$8e1a5da0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Does anyone have info or pics of a 1920ish Kohler 4 cylinder Gen set??? I have a friend who is looking for 1 or alot of info about them, Anything would be appreciated, Tks Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Jul 22 10:18:01 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:18:01 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Engine Show Pictures Message-ID: Hi Everybody, I have put up some pictures I took a couple weeks ago at a local show. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton04/charlton04.html While I was at the show I was talking to a guy and noticed an accent right away in his voice. I looked at his hat and there was a tag on it that said "Sydney Antique machinery Club". I asked if he was from Australia, and he was. I happened to mention my mate, the famous Reg Ingold, and to my surprise he knew Reg and had been to his place before! He asked me to say hi to his mate Reggie. It is a small world indeed!! Our Reg is truly famous all over the world! He also knew Patrick Livingstone and the 12hp R&V. I was amazed and it was great talking with him!! So Reg, Ron Irving from Old Toongabbie says hello all the way from the states. Also Reg, nice photo of your Mottershead and Atkinson in the August GEM. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From yostsw at atis.net Thu Jul 22 18:52:04 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:52:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] List upgrade and outage References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200> <200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200> <200406231816100593.1B13A373@192.168.2.200> <200406241145380078.1ED4722F@192.168.2.200> <200406241734500359.201437E1@192.168.2.200> <200407061438370953.14B4E57A@192.168.2.200> <200407092231060171.026123B2@192.168.2.200> <200407191134280218.038A5E84@192.168.2.200> Message-ID: <200407222152040656.1183F39A@192.168.2.200> First I wanted to let you folks know that I have new SPAM filtering software. This actually will have some impact on ATIS because the new product I am using is a new service from mail-abuse.com(The DNS-RBL people for you old-time sendmail guys like me). Its not on their web site yet and it is only in evaluation but basically it off-loads SPAM scanning from my server to their servers. This means my server will be less busy. SPAM and virus scanning account for the majority of CPU usage on my system. Also headers of the messages on the list have changed. If you see "Received:" trails that includes servers you don't think should be involved in the transaction, rest assured they are. UNFORTUNATELY: This SPAM scanning is real tough though. If your business or your personal account is a source of SPAM and mail-abuse.org knows about you or your employer, then your message will NEVER make it to my servers to begin with. Before I wasn't doing some of the dial-up account/IP/freemail scanning that this new service will do. If in fact you find yourself blocked by mail-abuse.com, follow the instructions in the rejection email you should get. They should be able to explain why it is happening and what your options are. But feel free to get me involved by contacting me at this other address: syost at triad.rr.com Tomorrow my IP address will change. Since I had the chance to plan this, the outage should be short for most of you - statistically 1/2 hour but it could be an hour and if you are unlucky enough to have an ISP run by an incompetent system administrator, if could be days(they force their DNS resolvers to ignore expiration of the DNS data, which is set by me to be 1 hour right now). Again, contact me at syost at triad.rr.com if you have any unexpected problems. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Jul 23 09:01:55 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:01:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT - Test - Please Ignore Message-ID: Check Check 1 2 3 Check _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Jul 23 10:33:22 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:33:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Need your help for a friend In-Reply-To: <410123D0.9080106@scrtc.com> References: <410123D0.9080106@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <41014BE2.1050107@scrtc.com> I sent the message below and it was returned. We'll try this again. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > I haven't had much time to think engines the last week or so > (I think I got on the list once or twice and posted once on Olds > engines). Many of you have met my buddy Steve Gibson. Steve > comes with me to Portland, Coolspring, and other shows. Steve collects > small (2 HP or less) engines and has some nice ones. Last Thurs. Steve > began to have pain in his side. A strained muscle he thought. > It continued thru Friday evening and then eased some. Then it hit > him hard on Sat night and he was in tremendous pain. He lives next > door to his brother and and he rushed him to the local hospital. > His appendix had ruptured. He had emergency surgery and had to spend > the last few days in the hospital. He's doing better now and has come > home. Other than his brother, Steve doesn't have much family around > here. He worked for a company in Elizabethtown, KY for 31 > years (as soon as he got out of HS). Then, about 4 months ago the > corporate folks walked in and said they were shutting the plant down. > Their production ended up in China. The company retirement plan makes > him ineligible for retirement so Steve has to find another carSo, Steve > has really been down. He's always commenting about the SEL folks and > how nice everyone is to him. Steve doesn't have a computer but I think > I've talked him into getting one. If anyone could send him a card, it > would cheer him up a lot. His address is: Steve Gibson, 270 Warren > Road, Mt. Sherman, KY, 42764. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > > From yostsw at atis.net Fri Jul 23 10:42:12 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:42:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - Test - Please Ignore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200407231342120890.14E9D404@192.168.2.200> I have mail-abuse.org looking at some problems with the stationary-engine.com domain. Apparently they mis-configured this one domain but Luke's test seems to indicate they may have just fixed it??? Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 7/23/2004 at 4:01 PM Luke Tonneberger wrote: >Check Check 1 2 3 Check > >_________________________________________________________________ >Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jul 23 10:37:56 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? Message-ID: Hi Folks, Last night I was reading the Profile piece on David Edgington (written by Eric Brain) in the April 2004 issue of Stationary Engine magazine. It was an interesting and informative piece on one of the guys who is very well known in English engine circles. In addition to being the founder of the magazine in 1974 he's also published a number of key reference books including (among others) "Amanco Engines", "The Story of Petters Limited," and "The History and Development of the Lister D Type." He's also a frequent contributor to Stationary Engine and TOMM. I don't know if he's ever had anything published in GEM or not. Now to the subject of this post. In the piece Eric states... "David Edgington can be described as the best known name throughout the stationary engine world but at the same time, he has one of the least known faces." It's the first part of that statement that intrigued me. And yes, I do realize that it was the contrast that Eric was getting at. Nevertheless... We have folks on the list from the US, Canada, England, Wales, Netherlands, South Africa, Austrailia, New Zeland, etc. OK folks, do you agree with that statement? Is "David Edgington" THE NAME? Or, if not, whose name would you offer up? Or are the "stars" in the hobby local ones only? Here in the US I think that Glenn Karch is probably better known than David Edgington (but I could be wrong) and I'll bet that very few in England or Oz would recognize Glenn's name. In terms of number of books published, I'll wager that David Edgington is at the top of the list by a good margin. But as the politicians say, "How's the name recognition?" Give it some thought and post if you've a mind to. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Jul 23 11:26:50 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:26:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Need your help for a friend Message-ID: Hi Tommy, I'm sorry to hear about your buddy. I think I saw him at an auction in Battle Creek, Michigan a couple weeks ago. I hope he feels better so he can make it to Portland this year. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ==================== >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Re: Need your help for a friend >Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:33:22 -0400 > >I sent the message below and it was returned. We'll try this again. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >>I haven't had much time to think engines the last week or so >>(I think I got on the list once or twice and posted once on Olds engines). >> Many of you have met my buddy Steve Gibson. Steve >>comes with me to Portland, Coolspring, and other shows. Steve collects >>small (2 HP or less) engines and has some nice ones. Last Thurs. Steve >>began to have pain in his side. A strained muscle he thought. >>It continued thru Friday evening and then eased some. Then it hit >>him hard on Sat night and he was in tremendous pain. He lives next >>door to his brother and and he rushed him to the local hospital. >>His appendix had ruptured. He had emergency surgery and had to spend >>the last few days in the hospital. He's doing better now and has come >>home. Other than his brother, Steve doesn't have much family around >>here. He worked for a company in Elizabethtown, KY for 31 >>years (as soon as he got out of HS). Then, about 4 months ago the >>corporate folks walked in and said they were shutting the plant down. >>Their production ended up in China. The company retirement plan makes him >>ineligible for retirement so Steve has to find another carSo, Steve has >>really been down. He's always commenting about the SEL folks and how nice >>everyone is to him. Steve doesn't have a computer but I think I've talked >>him into getting one. If anyone could send him a card, it would cheer him >>up a lot. His address is: Steve Gibson, 270 Warren Road, Mt. Sherman, >>KY, 42764. >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jul 23 11:27:38 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] RE: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? (fwd) Message-ID: From: George Best Great topic Arnie! To be truthful, David Edgington didn't mean anything to me. I'd never even seen the name before, unless someone on SEL has posted his name in the past. While I can very well say that I know who Glenn Karch is and have even met him a few times. :-) I would think that Charles Wendel is one of the most known people in the engine hobby. But then authors of books or writers of articles tend to be better known to a wider area, than collectors in general. Some collectors can be very well known but most aren't well known outside of their own country. The hobby is also big enough that you'd have a hard time defining what "well known" means. George Ps.. If this is also being discussed on the SEL list, maybe someone will cross post this message. From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 23 11:41:56 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:41:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Trailer Plans Message-ID: <001301c470e4$beb76180$d2f70cd1@VAIO> My Grandson's FFA Teacher just contacted me and ask me if I by any chance had any plans for building a 5' X 12' trailer with loading ramps. She is getting ready for this year's FFA Projects and my Grandson is going to be on the Trailer Build Team. The teacher was aware that I had hundreds of plans but most of them are woodworking plans. Do any of you guys are gals have any plans you could donate to the Searcy High School FFA program? Thought it was worth the effort to ask. Thanks, Paul From diesel at easynet.co.uk Fri Jul 23 12:25:36 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:25:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:37:56 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Hi Folks, >OK folks, do you agree with that statement? Is "David Edgington" THE >NAME? Or, if not, whose name would you offer up? Or are the "stars" in >the hobby local ones only? >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero I believe that it depends on your location more than anything else. DWE brought the Stationary Engine hobby and magazine from obscurity into its present state, but generally he was more active/effective in those areas where Lister, Petter and other engines mainly had their markets, such as the UK and Colonies such as Australia etc. Charles Wendel was similarly effective in those areas where American-built machinery was predominant, and that still holds today. What has happened is that a lot of cross-pollination of engines has gone on between continents so the picture is a little mixed up now, but I would say that in their own fields and areas each is the main and best-known player. As far as 'local heroes' go, there are plenty of those on both sides, and alongside Glenn you have others with their own specialities such as Ted Brookover (as one example) The picture is slightly different in the UK, as we are a different bunch of guys when it comes to collecting and restoring, and most have more than a few hobbies which fit alongside their engine stuff, and our lack of room, towing limitations etc etc mean that generally we don't have as many larger engines on display as we might. Of all the items that have spread the word over the past 10 years, I think the Internet and the engine Lists have to be out there in front of everything else. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Fri Jul 23 12:25:36 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:25:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:37:56 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Hi Folks, >OK folks, do you agree with that statement? Is "David Edgington" THE >NAME? Or, if not, whose name would you offer up? Or are the "stars" in >the hobby local ones only? >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero I believe that it depends on your location more than anything else. DWE brought the Stationary Engine hobby and magazine from obscurity into its present state, but generally he was more active/effective in those areas where Lister, Petter and other engines mainly had their markets, such as the UK and Colonies such as Australia etc. Charles Wendel was similarly effective in those areas where American-built machinery was predominant, and that still holds today. What has happened is that a lot of cross-pollination of engines has gone on between continents so the picture is a little mixed up now, but I would say that in their own fields and areas each is the main and best-known player. As far as 'local heroes' go, there are plenty of those on both sides, and alongside Glenn you have others with their own specialities such as Ted Brookover (as one example) The picture is slightly different in the UK, as we are a different bunch of guys when it comes to collecting and restoring, and most have more than a few hobbies which fit alongside their engine stuff, and our lack of room, towing limitations etc etc mean that generally we don't have as many larger engines on display as we might. Of all the items that have spread the word over the past 10 years, I think the Internet and the engine Lists have to be out there in front of everything else. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jul 23 12:13:41 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? In-Reply-To: <002d01c470e7$d33cf400$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> References: <002d01c470e7$d33cf400$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: Hi Harry, On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Harry Terpstra wrote: > I think for GEM readers Glenn Karch, and Helen French are "famous" too;-) Right you are!! And WHO could forget this smiling face? 8-)) http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/news.jpg See ya, Arnie From lfevans at pacbell.net Fri Jul 23 13:12:28 2004 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:12:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Trailer Plans In-Reply-To: <001301c470e4$beb76180$d2f70cd1@VAIO> References: <001301c470e4$beb76180$d2f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040723130514.05ebfbc0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Paul.......... I don't have any plans but you might want to take a look at this web page: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/trailer/ It is a series of pictures of a 5' x 9' trailer with loading ramps that was custom built and you might pick up a few design ideas from it. Regards, Larry At 11:41 AM 7/23/2004, you wrote: >My Grandson's FFA Teacher just contacted me and ask me if I by any chance >had any plans for building a 5' X 12' trailer with loading ramps. She is >getting ready for this year's FFA Projects and my Grandson is going to be on >the Trailer Build Team. The teacher was aware that I had hundreds of plans >but most of them are woodworking plans. > >Do any of you guys are gals have any plans you could donate to the Searcy >High School FFA program? > >Thought it was worth the effort to ask. > >Thanks, > >Paul > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From oldengin at udata.com Fri Jul 23 13:18:29 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:18:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay ohio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41017295.9000907@udata.com> Gday The show in Findlay Ohio will be Aug. 5, 6, 7, 8 and will be featuring the Massey line of equipment. I will be next to the river again and can save area for those needing it, let me know, and looking forward to seeing you there! -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From yostsw at atis.net Fri Jul 23 13:22:57 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:22:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Address change References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200> <200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200> <200406231816100593.1B13A373@192.168.2.200> <200406241145380078.1ED4722F@192.168.2.200> <200406241734500359.201437E1@192.168.2.200> <200407061438370953.14B4E57A@192.168.2.200> <200407092231060171.026123B2@192.168.2.200> <200407191134280218.038A5E84@192.168.2.200> <200407222152040656.1183F39A@192.168.2.200> Message-ID: <200407231622570453.157CFE16@192.168.2.200> The address change is happening here in about a half an hour. DNS changes are going to be made in just a minute. Connection and service will be spotty for an hour or so. I'll keep posting to the lists to keep everyone up to date. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jul 23 13:26:41 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Trailer Plans In-Reply-To: <001301c470e4$beb76180$d2f70cd1@VAIO> References: <001301c470e4$beb76180$d2f70cd1@VAIO> Message-ID: Hi Paul, Why not spring for a $20 tax-deduction and buy a good set of plans? http://www.trailerplans.com/ or http://www.synthx.com/btw/trailers.htm And don't forget to checkout the advice of the pros... http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/trailer.html See ya, Arnie On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Paul Maples wrote: > My Grandson's FFA Teacher just contacted me and ask me if I by any chance > had any plans for building a 5' X 12' trailer with loading ramps. She is > getting ready for this year's FFA Projects and my Grandson is going to be on > the Trailer Build Team. The teacher was aware that I had hundreds of plans > but most of them are woodworking plans. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jul 23 13:31:26 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Findlay ohio In-Reply-To: <41017295.9000907@udata.com> References: <41017295.9000907@udata.com> Message-ID: Hiya Leroy, Save room for Dave and I in the low rent district on the floodplain. We'll be there around lunchtime on Thursday with Dave's Famous and my Witte and Lorenz. And for the rest of you who have never been to the Findlay show, you're missing one of the very best. As an exhibitor you are made VERY welcome! The food is great too!! This show is a "Must Go" right up there with Portland and Coolspring. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Leroy C. wrote: > The show in Findlay Ohio will be Aug. 5, 6, 7, 8 and will be > featuring the Massey line of equipment. I will be next to the river > again and can save area for those needing it, let me know, and looking > forward to seeing you there! From oldengin at udata.com Fri Jul 23 14:24:29 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:24:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? In-Reply-To: References: <002d01c470e7$d33cf400$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: <4101820D.3040808@udata.com> I think for GEM readers Glenn Karch, and Helen French are "famous" too;-) See ya, Arnie Arnie, here is my list 1) Wendell, because of books and articles in mags. (GEM) 2) Brookover, his work is well known all over the world! 3) Karch, he took a small player in the market and made them known. 4)T French, her work and dedication is some of the best. 4)T Farmer, same as above 5) Matthews, Harry has the best web site, engin related, on the web 6) Wolfe, Kenny is known for his million dollar row. There you have it JMO -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From yostsw at atis.net Fri Jul 23 14:57:21 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:57:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Address change References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200> <200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200> <200406231816100593.1B13A373@192.168.2.200> <200406241145380078.1ED4722F@192.168.2.200> <200406241734500359.201437E1@192.168.2.200> <200407061438370953.14B4E57A@192.168.2.200> <200407092231060171.026123B2@192.168.2.200> <200407191134280218.038A5E84@192.168.2.200> <200407222152040656.1183F39A@192.168.2.200> <200407231622570453.157CFE16@192.168.2.200> Message-ID: <200407231757210109.002E2606@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> Access seems to be returning. A message came through on SEL and I received some mail personally. I am seeing web traffic, light to be sure, but I am seeing it nonetheless. The address change was delayed by about 45 minutes , so it has only been about 25 minutes since the change. Most everyone should be coming back on line very shortly. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From BetCleve321 at aol.com Fri Jul 23 15:40:29 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:40:29 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? Message-ID: <1ea.25e41acd.2e32eddd@aol.com> In a message dated 7/23/2004 3:28:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: I think for GEM readers Glenn Karch, and Helen French are "famous" too;-) Right you are!! And WHO could forget this smiling face? 8-)) http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/news.jpg See ya, Arnie Somewhere up there in Pittsville, I just can HEAR somebody saying, "Come on, come on someone say my name. Please , just some damn one of you ungrateful bastards say it. I jus know you want to say my name. Come on. Damn it. From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Jul 23 15:43:57 2004 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:43:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? References: <002d01c470e7$d33cf400$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> <4101820D.3040808@udata.com> Message-ID: <000f01c47106$8b6aef00$48394a18@carolina.rr.com> Leroy: You forgot Fero, Arnie. Known worldwide for taking the Art of Procrastination to new limits in story, deeds, and promises. Ahh to be the master of so much at such a tender age. A legacy known round the world. If only I could snatch the pebble from his hand............ MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy C." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 5:24 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? > I think for GEM readers Glenn Karch, and Helen French are "famous" too;-) > > See ya, Arnie > > > Arnie, here is my list > > 1) Wendell, because of books and articles in mags. (GEM) > 2) Brookover, his work is well known all over the world! > 3) Karch, he took a small player in the market and made them known. > 4)T French, her work and dedication is some of the best. > 4)T Farmer, same as above > 5) Matthews, Harry has the best web site, engin related, on the web > 6) Wolfe, Kenny is known for his million dollar row. > > There you have it JMO > > > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rexhinz at chorus.net Fri Jul 23 16:30:59 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:30:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Govenor weight springs Message-ID: <001801c4710d$26ea0140$6286a5d8@rex> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 6:24 PM Subject: Govenor weight springs > can anyonr tell me how to replace the govenor weight springs on my > simplicity 1.5 Hp .? , not as to where they go but to find the right springs > with the right pull or tension , do I look for springs with the same wire > dia. or do I have to try to measure the pull of the old spring and find some > with the same pull , the old ones are there buy someone has streached them > out and made new hooks on them and they look like they could break at any > time (very rusty) How do I adjust them when I replace them ? trial and error > or is there a formula ? > > Question # 2 > > Also the engine has an adjuster on the latch , what does it do ? its > got a lock nut and thumb screw and spring is this part of the speed control > ? > > Thanks > Rex Hinz > > > > From ELIDAS at aol.com Fri Jul 23 16:43:21 2004 From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:43:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? Message-ID: <1a2.271c9bd7.2e32fc99@aol.com> In a message dated 7/23/2004 5:48:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, oldengin at udata.com writes: 1) Wendell, because of books and articles in mags. (GEM) 2) Brookover, his work is well known all over the world! 3) Karch, he took a small player in the market and made them known. 4)T French, her work and dedication is some of the best. 4)T Farmer, same as above 5) Matthews, Harry has the best web site, engin related, on the web 6) Wolfe, Kenny is known for his million dollar row. 7) Lee Pederson- Anyone here never heard of him? Mike Semanoff Waterbury CT From old_iron at msn.com Fri Jul 23 17:13:40 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:13:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Need your help for a friend Message-ID: The get well card is in the snail. Peg Pfeiffer >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Re: Need your help for a friend >Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:33:22 -0400 > >I sent the message below and it was returned. We'll try this again. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >>I haven't had much time to think engines the last week or so >>(I think I got on the list once or twice and posted once on Olds engines). >> Many of you have met my buddy Steve Gibson. Steve >>comes with me to Portland, Coolspring, and other shows. Steve collects >>small (2 HP or less) engines and has some nice ones. Last Thurs. Steve >>began to have pain in his side. A strained muscle he thought. >>It continued thru Friday evening and then eased some. Then it hit >>him hard on Sat night and he was in tremendous pain. He lives next >>door to his brother and and he rushed him to the local hospital. >>His appendix had ruptured. He had emergency surgery and had to spend >>the last few days in the hospital. He's doing better now and has come >>home. Other than his brother, Steve doesn't have much family around >>here. He worked for a company in Elizabethtown, KY for 31 >>years (as soon as he got out of HS). Then, about 4 months ago the >>corporate folks walked in and said they were shutting the plant down. >>Their production ended up in China. The company retirement plan makes him >>ineligible for retirement so Steve has to find another carSo, Steve has >>really been down. He's always commenting about the SEL folks and how nice >>everyone is to him. Steve doesn't have a computer but I think I've talked >>him into getting one. If anyone could send him a card, it would cheer him >>up a lot. His address is: Steve Gibson, 270 Warren Road, Mt. Sherman, >>KY, 42764. >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pmaples at anaxis.net Fri Jul 23 18:03:38 2004 From: pmaples at anaxis.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:03:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Weekly Plea for Transportation Help Message-ID: <002301c4711a$140421c0$220110ac@VAIO> Portland is getting closer and once again I am submitting my weekly plea for transportation help to get my fodder chopper hauled from George Woodzell's house in Schenectady, NY to Ivan Cousins place in Clarion, Pa or to Portland. Ivan has graciously consented to haul it from his place in Clarion, Pa to Portland if someone can get it to him there. As I have said in previous posts George hauled the chopper from Massachusetts to his home in Schenectady in the back of his Volvo station wagon so it is not a big piece of equipment. If anyone can help me please contact me via e-mail or via phone at 501-230-8229. Anybody, somebody...help, please! Thanks, Paul From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Jul 23 18:57:10 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 21:57:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? References: <1a2.271c9bd7.2e32fc99@aol.com> Message-ID: <0c4801c47121$88bf3bb0$0400a8c0@Dave> > 1) Wendell, because of books and articles in mags. (GEM) > 2) Brookover, his work is well known all over the world! > 3) Karch, he took a small player in the market and made them known. > 4)T French, her work and dedication is some of the best. > 4)T Farmer, same as above > 5) Matthews, Harry has the best web site, engin related, on the web > 6) Wolfe, Kenny is known for his million dollar row. > 7) Lee Pederson- Anyone here never heard of him? > Mike Semanoff A good list Mike, but how could we forget Bambi and Nitro? Dave PS, Bambi can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/Arden_2003/MVC-836X.JPG From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Jul 24 01:58:16 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:58:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NR Message-ID: <010f01c4715c$5f92c280$660d1bd3@athlon> <<> In closing your comments about the NHMA as valid as they may or maynot be I suggest you move to make a "alternative" to the NHMA, one of the other guys commented about competition brining prices down. Yes the NHMA does have the monopoly on clubs and exhibitors. When you wish to do this Reg please let me know I would be more than happy to help you in putting this togeather and would welcome sitting down with you and working through it.>> Adam, I am past really caring about the overall picture. I am getting to be too old to be of use. I only comment OPENLY about what I feel might be against forward progress in the hobby. I will be the first to admit that I am wasting my time but. At least I tried to make things better in my time in the hobby. I really should know better by now! Go back to running it your way. there are always sheep waiting to be fleeced. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Jul 24 02:05:21 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:05:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? References: <002d01c470e7$d33cf400$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: <011f01c4715d$5cc491e0$660d1bd3@athlon> Arnie, NEVER has ONE woman been loved by so many!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: Cc: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 5:13 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? > Hi Harry, > > On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Harry Terpstra wrote: > > > I think for GEM readers Glenn Karch, and Helen French are "famous" too;-) > > Right you are!! And WHO could forget this smiling face? 8-)) > http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/news.jpg > > See ya, Arnie > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Jul 24 02:07:26 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:07:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Address change References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com><200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com><200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200><200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200><200406231816100593.1B13A373@192.168.2.200><200406241145380078.1ED4722F@192.168.2.200><200406241734500359.201437E1@192.168.2.200><200407061438370953.14B4E57A@192.168.2.200><200407092231060171.026123B2@192.168.2.200><200407191134280218.038A5E84@192.168.2.200><200407222152040656.1183F39A@192.168.2.200><200407231622570453.157CFE16@192.168.2.200> <200407231757210109.002E2606@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> Message-ID: <012701c4715d$a78ab880$660d1bd3@athlon> >From the heart mate, THANKS for your efforts. I would be lost without this link to my friends, you included of course. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spencer Yost" To: ; ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 7:57 AM Subject: [SEL] Address change > Access seems to be returning. A message came through on SEL and I > received some mail personally. I am seeing web traffic, light to be sure, > but I am seeing it nonetheless. The address change was delayed by about > 45 minutes , so it has only been about 25 minutes since the change. Most > everyone should be coming back on line very shortly. > > Spencer Yost > Owner, ATIS > Plow the Net! > http://www.atis.net > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Jul 24 02:44:42 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:44:42 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Address change Message-ID: <072420040944.13078.2726@mchsi.com> Spencer, Your coming through loud and clear in northen Illinois....and you don't know how much I appreciate all your dedicated work in making communication possible with alot of good folks on this globe. THANKYOU VERY MUCH. Curt Andree > Access seems to be returning. A message came through on SEL and I > received some mail personally. I am seeing web traffic, light to be sure, > but I am seeing it nonetheless. The address change was delayed by about > 45 minutes , so it has only been about 25 minutes since the change. Most > everyone should be coming back on line very shortly. > > Spencer Yost > Owner, ATIS > Plow the Net! > http://www.atis.net > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sat Jul 24 04:06:29 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:06:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? References: <1ea.25e41acd.2e32eddd@aol.com> Message-ID: <410242B4.B7118E5C@insulate.co.uk> Skip, I think the word you're looking for is "INfamous" Dolly BetCleve321 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/23/2004 3:28:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, > fero_ah at city-net.com writes: > > I think for GEM readers Glenn Karch, and Helen French are "famous" too;-) > > Somewhere up there in Pittsville, I just can HEAR somebody saying, "Come on, > come on someone say my name. Please , just some damn one of you ungrateful > bastards say it. I jus know you want to say my name. > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Jul 24 06:17:07 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 23:17:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200407241317.i6ODH3wf042750@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi Arnie, Probably the two most recognizable 'international' names in Oz would have to be C.H. Wendel as there would be few who do not have his book. The other would be Patrick Knight as a lot of people have his A-Z of British engines and he is a regular contributor to TOMM. Patrick PS Arnie and Dave are known but that is only because of the shoot on sight order at the airport ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Folks, In the piece Eric states... "David Edgington can be described as the best known name throughout the stationary engine world but at the same time, he has one of the least known faces." It's the first part of that statement that intrigued me. And yes, I do realize that it was the contrast that Eric was getting at. Nevertheless... We have folks on the list from the US, Canada, England, Wales, Netherlands, South Africa, Austrailia, New Zeland, etc. OK folks, do you agree with that statement? Is "David Edgington" THE NAME? Or, if not, whose name would you offer up? Or are the "stars" in the hobby local ones only? Here in the US I think that Glenn Karch is probably better known than David Edgington (but I could be wrong) and I'll bet that very few in England or Oz would recognize Glenn's name. In terms of number of books published, I'll wager that David Edgington is at the top of the list by a good margin. But as the politicians say, "How's the name recognition?" Give it some thought and post if you've a mind to. See ya, Arnie From ELIDAS at aol.com Sat Jul 24 07:08:27 2004 From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 10:08:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/23/2004 10:01:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: A good list Mike, but how could we forget Bambi and Nitro? Dave PS, Bambi can be seen at: I only added #7. I think the rest is Leroys. Looks like you added #8 and #9 . Mike From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jul 24 07:50:56 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:50:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Magnet Recharge Message-ID: Howdy all; Well I can't say enough on how well my engines start after recharging the magnets on the Websters. The little Gal (2 1/4 hp.) was quite onry and had to break sweat in order to get her going. Now it starts on the second pull. Eco was a good starter but a recharge didn't hurt her either. Will be interesting to see what the sawrig will do, but on the table it throws a pretty good spark. I wouldn't have thot a hot spark compared to a weak spark would have made that much difference. btw, this charger has coils made of very healthy "flat on both sides" wire. I'm using 12vdc. "Happy Camper" RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sat Jul 24 14:17:18 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:17:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? References: <002d01c470e7$d33cf400$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> <011f01c4715d$5cc491e0$660d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <4102D1DE.56290DAD@insulate.co.uk> Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > Arnie, NEVER has ONE woman been loved by so many!!! Steady - you'll make me blush! Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Jul 24 14:47:34 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 07:47:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally Message-ID: <031301c471c7$d91243e0$660d1bd3@athlon> Here is the reply I have received. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: JULIAN PRICE To: randmingold at hotkey.net.au Cc: david carter Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 10:31 PM Subject: Acknowledgement of e-mail Dear Reg, Your letter of concern has been passed on to me for my comments, and I can assure you that this letter will be tabled at our very next committee meeting, as a letter of this nature is a big concern of ours and as such must be properly addressed. I can promise you that this letter will receive the attention of all of our committee members and will be dealt with in a correct manner and either myself or someone from the committee will be in touch with you once we have dealt with the issues you have raised. Once again Reg, thank you for the letter, as it only through this sort of thing that we can be aware of any problems. Sincerely Julian Price Senior Coordinator P.S It is my intention that every member will have a copy of this letter, to take home and return with their answers at the following meeting, with no one knowing what each other has written, as since the drawing up of the original registration form, so much has happened, that an entirely different focus on things may be expected. Yours etc JP From kerogas at the-i.net Sat Jul 24 14:48:45 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:48:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Govenor weight springs References: <001801c4710d$26ea0140$6286a5d8@rex> Message-ID: <002c01c471c8$03c29c20$07905841@oemcomputer> can anyonr tell me how to replace the govenor weight springs on my > simplicity 1.5 Hp .? , not as to where they go but to find the right springs >>. How do I adjust them when I replace them ? trial and > error > > or is there a formula ? Yes there is , but I cant think why , for the life of me , you would need to mess up prefectly clean chalkboard for this one . You need to find some rather light gauge springs. A smaller gauge than what it had will usually do . THe hdw store variety bend and cut to any length or shape you want (that's shorther) then set them all the way out and get started , starting your motor . It isnt hard at all . If it stays latched out and never hits again tighten up the screw , shorten the spring or put a heavier one . loosening and tightening the screw most manuf's put for the spring to hook into is normally sufficient . From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jul 24 15:48:11 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? In-Reply-To: <011f01c4715d$5cc491e0$660d1bd3@athlon> References: <002d01c470e7$d33cf400$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> <011f01c4715d$5cc491e0$660d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: G'day Reg, I'll drink to that!!!! 8-))))) See ya, Arnie On Sat, 24 Jul 2004, Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > Arnie, NEVER has ONE woman been loved by so many!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > > > > Right you are!! And WHO could forget this smiling face? 8-)) > > http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/news.jpg From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jul 24 15:51:10 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? In-Reply-To: <200407241317.i6ODH3wf042750@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> References: <200407241317.i6ODH3wf042750@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: G'day Patrick, On Sat, 24 Jul 2004, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > PS Arnie and Dave are known but that is only because of the shoot on sight > order at the airport ;) Memo to self: Rethink idea of attending National Rally in Oz in 2005!! 8-)) See ya, Arnie From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jul 24 15:58:40 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? In-Reply-To: <000f01c47106$8b6aef00$48394a18@carolina.rr.com> References: <002d01c470e7$d33cf400$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> <4101820D.3040808@udata.com> <000f01c47106$8b6aef00$48394a18@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike, WHEW!!! For a second there I thought you were gonna refer to that unfortunate incident that involved a half-dozen dry martinis on an empty stomach!! 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Mike Royster wrote: > You forgot Fero, Arnie. > Known worldwide for taking the Art of Procrastination to new limits in > story, deeds, and promises. Ahh to be the master of so much at such a > tender age. A legacy known round the world. If only I could snatch the > pebble from his hand............ > From page at velocitynet.com.au Sat Jul 24 16:52:30 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:52:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? References: <200407241317.i6ODH3wf042750@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <002701c471d9$4996d480$8a63fea9@sweeper> I agree Patrick but I would also think that Ray Hooley could be placed up there, If it was localised then we in OZ would have to include you, Ed Payne, the Summerfield's, the Daniels to name but a few. Ron Page ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 11:17 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? > Hi Arnie, > Probably the two most recognizable 'international' names in Oz would > have to be C.H. Wendel as there would be few who do not have his book. The > other would be Patrick Knight as a lot of people have his A-Z of British > engines and he is a regular contributor to TOMM. > Patrick > > PS Arnie and Dave are known but that is only because of the shoot on sight > order at the airport ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > -----Original Message----- > Hi Folks, > > In the piece Eric states... "David Edgington can be described as the best > known name throughout the stationary engine world but at the same time, he > has one of the least known faces." > > It's the first part of that statement that intrigued me. And yes, I do > realize that it was the contrast that Eric was getting at. > Nevertheless... > > We have folks on the list from the US, Canada, England, Wales, > Netherlands, South Africa, Austrailia, New Zeland, etc. > > OK folks, do you agree with that statement? Is "David Edgington" THE > NAME? Or, if not, whose name would you offer up? Or are the "stars" in > the hobby local ones only? > > Here in the US I think that Glenn Karch is probably better known than > David Edgington (but I could be wrong) and I'll bet that very few in > England or Oz would recognize Glenn's name. > > In terms of number of books published, I'll wager that David Edgington is > at the top of the list by a good margin. But as the politicians say, > "How's the name recognition?" > > Give it some thought and post if you've a mind to. > > See ya, Arnie > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From alanb2 at webtv.net Sat Jul 24 17:00:46 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 20:00:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Magnet Recharge In-Reply-To: "Richard Strobel" 's message of Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:50:56 -0600 Message-ID: <9988-4102F82E-262@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> E-mail message Sender: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com(Richard?Strobel) Date: Sat, Jul 24, 2004, 8:50am (EDT-2) To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL email discussion list) Subject: [SEL] Magnet Recharge Reply?to: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (The SEL email discussion list) Howdy all; ????Well I can't say enough on how well my engines start after recharging the magnets on the Websters. The little Gal (2 1/4 hp.) was quite onry and had to break sweat in order to get her going. Now it starts on the second pull. Eco was a good starter but a recharge didn't hurt her either. Will be interesting to see what the sawrig will do, but on the table it throws a pretty good spark. ??????I wouldn't have thot a hot spark compared to a weak spark would have made that much difference. ????btw, this charger has coils made of very healthy "flat on both sides" wire. I'm using 12vdc. "Happy Camper" RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From bill at antique-engines.com Sat Jul 24 17:15:01 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:15:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] NR In-Reply-To: <010f01c4715c$5f92c280$660d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <00a301c471dc$6e3e3190$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Click go the shears boys, click click click. Jumbuck................ -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Reg & Margaret Ingold Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 3:58 AM To: List SEL Subject: [SEL] NR <<> In closing your comments about the NHMA as valid as they may or maynot be I suggest you move to make a "alternative" to the NHMA, one of the other guys commented about competition brining prices down. Yes the NHMA does have the monopoly on clubs and exhibitors. When you wish to do this Reg please let me know I would be more than happy to help you in putting this togeather and would welcome sitting down with you and working through it.>> Adam, I am past really caring about the overall picture. I am getting to be too old to be of use. I only comment OPENLY about what I feel might be against forward progress in the hobby. I will be the first to admit that I am wasting my time but. At least I tried to make things better in my time in the hobby. I really should know better by now! Go back to running it your way. there are always sheep waiting to be fleeced. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 24 18:14:52 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Fw: Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally In-Reply-To: <031301c471c7$d91243e0$660d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <20040725011452.77854.qmail@web20223.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Reg, Around here, when someone is treated in such a patronizing fashion, we refer to it as "having smoke blown up yer arse". Perhaps I am too cynical, but I really doubt you will get much satisfaction there. I do not fully understand how things are done in your part of the world, and would appreciate it if you could "explain me this": Who is the group that puts on this national rally of yours? Is it a group of investors or a management group, working to earn a profit for themselves? Or are they a non-profit group, consisting of clubs and collectors who use the proceeds to promote the hobby? How many days does this show run? How many spectators does such an event draw? Is admission charged and how much? How many engines and tractors show up? How many exhibitors are there? Does this organization own their own showgrounds? If so, how big are they and how many permanent displays do they have there? Does paying the fees and participating in this event carry any benefits? Does it make you a member with voting rights, receiving a newsletter or magazine periodically? These are legitimate questions. When I asked them before, someone may have thought I was not serious about them, but I am. I am curious about what sort of expenses are incurred in putting this event together. I could understand the need for the fees if the money is used to make some sort of permanent investment that will better the hobby in the future. Here in the states, most shows are paid for by the spectators, not the exhibitors. As you surely have noticed by the posts in the past here and on Harry's, folks here get really upset if they are expected to pay anything to exhibit. Any insight you can give me would be appreciated! Joe --- Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > Here is the reply I have received. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ===== Joe Prindle Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: www.tznet.com/jprindle Our Club: www.badgersteamandgas.com See Yoo in Baraboo! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 24 14:37:30 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:37:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] E-mail Address Change Message-ID: <00bd01c471c6$7066dff0$240110ac@VAIO> Ok folks I now have DSL up and running and I now have a new e-mail address so I would like for all of you that are interested to change my address in your address book to my new e-mail address paulmaples at sbcglobal.net . I am going to hold on the old e-mail address for a couple of months just to be sure that everyone has gotten it that wants it. Thanks. Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 24 19:11:30 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:11:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Harry Matthews E-mail Address Message-ID: <007e01c471ec$b53f1f90$240110ac@VAIO> Can someone send me Harry's e-mail address? Thanks From bercar at shenhgts.net Sat Jul 24 20:43:05 2004 From: bercar at shenhgts.net (Bernie) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 23:43:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] E-Bay warning In-Reply-To: <00bd01c471c6$7066dff0$240110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: a word of caution to anyone selling items on ebay. There has been lots of attempted, and sometimes sucessful scams on ebay using fake escrow services. I has a user try to get me to use e-safetrades.com to complete a transaction, luckly i suspected them from the start so i didnt do anything except reply to a few emails, and report them to ebay. Bernie From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Sat Jul 24 20:45:26 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:45:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally Message-ID: Hi Joe just thought i would put in my little bit of criticism of the hobby here in australia. it has been a growing trend in the last 5 years(i have been involved in the hobby for 12years) that more and more clubs have been charging exhibitors to camp on site and these charges have been rising regulary. We have been told that these charges are to go towards upgrades of the facilities but i am yet to see this especially at one rally inparticular.In my oppinion we are the ones who supply what the general public come to see there for why do we the exhibitors keep getting charged to attend.Sure the clubs have to make money to cover costs but that should come from the public or commisions from club run auctions or other events not from our pockets.I think clubs should be putting more time into fundraising and more time into keeping the costs down for the exhibitors.As it is with rising global fuel costs it is making it more expensive to travel to most rallies unless they are local.A friend and i recently travel 1200 kilometres round trip to attend a rally that is only held every 3yrs ,to do this on our own would have made it an expensive trip considering it was only for 2 days but it was well worth it.I think you just have to weigh up the costs and how important some rallies are to you,i myself will travel hours just to squeeze an exrta rally in each year but this is out of reach of alot of collectors.anyway this is only my opinion. Dave ps if anyone out there has any ideas that could be put in place to keep costs down for exhibitors i would like to hear them. >From: Joe Prindle >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally >Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:14:52 -0700 (PDT) > >Hello Reg, >Around here, when someone is treated in such a patronizing fashion, we >refer to it as "having smoke blown up yer arse". Perhaps I am too cynical, >but I really doubt you will get much satisfaction there. >I do not fully understand how things are done in your part of the world, >and would appreciate it if you could "explain me this": > >Who is the group that puts on this national rally of yours? Is it a group >of investors or a management group, working to earn a profit for >themselves? Or are they a non-profit group, consisting of clubs and >collectors who use the proceeds to promote the hobby? >How many days does this show run? >How many spectators does such an event draw? Is admission charged and how >much? >How many engines and tractors show up? >How many exhibitors are there? >Does this organization own their own showgrounds? If so, how big are they >and how many permanent displays do they have there? >Does paying the fees and participating in this event carry any benefits? >Does it make you a member with voting rights, receiving a newsletter or >magazine periodically? >These are legitimate questions. When I asked them before, someone may have >thought I was not serious about them, but I am. >I am curious about what sort of expenses are incurred in putting this >event together. I could understand the need for the fees if the money is >used to make some sort of permanent investment that will better the hobby >in the future. Here in the states, most shows are paid for by the >spectators, not the exhibitors. As you surely have noticed by the posts in >the past here and on Harry's, folks here get really upset if they are >expected to pay anything to exhibit. >Any insight you can give me would be appreciated! >Joe > >--- Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > > Here is the reply I have received. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > >===== >Joe Prindle >Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist >See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: >www.tznet.com/jprindle >Our Club: >www.badgersteamandgas.com >See Yoo in Baraboo! > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Smart Saving with ING Direct ? earn 5.25% p.a. variable rate: http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/clk;7249209;8842331;n?http://www.ingdirect.com.au/burst6offer.asp?id=8 From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Sat Jul 24 20:51:54 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:51:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] little jumbo Message-ID: Hi can someone out there tell me wether the conrods in the 1 3/4 little jumbo's are the same in the model p and the later u and t models Dave _________________________________________________________________ Protect your inbox from harmful viruses with new ninemsn Premium. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp?banner=emailtag&referrer=hotmail From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Jul 25 02:52:34 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 19:52:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally References: <20040725011452.77854.qmail@web20223.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00de01c4722e$14d3bf60$0100007f@athlon> Hi Joe. To answer your questions as best I can, and in order. The Nat rally is held every two years. At the meeting held by the NHMA at these events, clubs interested in holding the next event vie for it with a 'presentation' and it is voted on. he original idea put up by the NHMA was for it to go to different states in rotation but that fell over. Then, with the 'help' of the NHMA, it goes ahead and sets it up. At this point I must say that a lot of folk work their arses off doing the hard work. My hat is off to them. It usually is a three day event. Admission at the last one was $15 each day. regarding size, your show is bigger. I have no figures on attendance, exhibits, etc. You also have to take into account the much lower population here. As an event, it is the biggest Oz has to offer. There are only a few clubs over here who own their own estate. The upcoming event will be held at the local horse racing grounds. Some clubs have newsletters and the like. There is no benefit to be had from the host club by exhibiting. There seems to be a trend to make the exhibitors pay a higher percent each show. I dont know the finance details but, the blurb says the area hopes to be a few million $$ better off after it closes. In the time I have been attending these events, I have noticed that the next organising club copies the methods of the previous. Sure, there is a lot of effort in getting the sponsorship needed. But, in the event of not raising enough from the local area, who benefit the most, I dont agree with milking the exhibitors. Our club has a rule in its minutes that "No member will pay to show his exhibits" Where does that put our club members? An Ozzie BBQ at a show is usually a sausage on a slice of bread. Even if there is a bit of salad, $10 is a bit steep! And so it goes. It really is not the few extra $$ so much as the whole underlying structure and thinking that made me 'spit the dummy' and open my mouth. Further, the concept of a National Body was put up some years back with the object of giving a united voice to the engine clubs. It took upon itself the task of giving us an insurance cover and its version of a safety code, etc.etc. It now regards itself as the rulers of the hobby. I am less than happy with the way things have gone. Any independent club has no chance of co existing amicably due to the nature of the rules re members insurance cover. You are one or the other. The thought of doing things in a different way to what is stated by the NHMA is regarded as TREASON in a lot of cases. (I know!!) So, I hope this gives you a little insight into how things are here. I will close with the thought, Best of luck to all the hard workers who are doing their best to put on this event. I dont envy you all the hard work ahead. Just dont let the easy route of loading prices to the exhibitors eventuate. It is an ongoing downward path. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Prindle" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally > Hello Reg, > Around here, when someone is treated in such a patronizing fashion, we > refer to it as "having smoke blown up yer arse". Perhaps I am too cynical, > but I really doubt you will get much satisfaction there. > I do not fully understand how things are done in your part of the world, > and would appreciate it if you could "explain me this": > > Who is the group that puts on this national rally of yours? Is it a group > of investors or a management group, working to earn a profit for > themselves? Or are they a non-profit group, consisting of clubs and > collectors who use the proceeds to promote the hobby? > How many days does this show run? > How many spectators does such an event draw? Is admission charged and how > much? > How many engines and tractors show up? > How many exhibitors are there? > Does this organization own their own showgrounds? If so, how big are they > and how many permanent displays do they have there? > Does paying the fees and participating in this event carry any benefits? > Does it make you a member with voting rights, receiving a newsletter or > magazine periodically? > These are legitimate questions. When I asked them before, someone may have > thought I was not serious about them, but I am. > I am curious about what sort of expenses are incurred in putting this > event together. I could understand the need for the fees if the money is > used to make some sort of permanent investment that will better the hobby > in the future. Here in the states, most shows are paid for by the > spectators, not the exhibitors. As you surely have noticed by the posts in > the past here and on Harry's, folks here get really upset if they are > expected to pay anything to exhibit. > Any insight you can give me would be appreciated! > Joe > > --- Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > > Here is the reply I have received. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > ===== > Joe Prindle > Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist > See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: > www.tznet.com/jprindle > Our Club: > www.badgersteamandgas.com > See Yoo in Baraboo! > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Jul 25 03:10:22 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:10:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tom Mackay Message-ID: I thought that you would all want to hear about Tom Mackay who is presently in hospital with a couple of serious problems. Peter Ogborne and Jack Watson have very kindly kept me informed about Tom's condition, but it is not looking too good for the long term. We met Tom and Beth during our visit to Australia in 1999, and we spent a very full day with them, followed by a very nice evening with Jack and his wife Nadia. I know that you would all want to send your best wishes to Tom and Beth at this very difficult time for them both. As soon as I have more info via Jack and Peter I will post it to the Lists. -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From dcox at triad.rr.com Sun Jul 25 05:35:54 2004 From: dcox at triad.rr.com (Dallas Cox) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:35:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cut off engine Message-ID: <003a01c47243$eebbb1f0$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Will someone please tell me what is the meaning of the term "cut off engine" in idenfying different engine types. I have seen this term reading different information and copies of manuals on oil field pumping engines. Thanks Dallas From adamcottrill at telstra.com Sun Jul 25 05:55:39 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:55:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally Message-ID: <3b049f3ad202.3ad2023b049f@email.bigpond.com> "Any independent club has no chance of co existing amicably due to the nature of the rules re members insurance cover. You are one or the other." You missed the point Reg that Orford one of the most popular and fastest growing rallys does not have NHMA affiliation (ok well maybe this says something). Two of its members kindly fund the insurance premium privately so they can run the rally. My own club until recently has its own private insurance policy and changed to the National body simply because it was more cost effective $12 per person compared to $2500 a year. I also draw your attention to the National Rally Entry form to the section where it asks if do or do not have public liability of $10mill or more, if you dont they offer avenues to obtain it in previous National rallys before Hayfield my club sort to abtain to to meet the requirements of the NHMA as we only had $5mill at the time. Clubs do have a fair and equal chance to co exist as proven by the examples above so long as they have a minimun of 10mill public liablity which is now in most states is the min requirement by law. Insurance is avalible for this hobby in this country if you can afford it and I see that point being no fault of the NHMA who collectively with its 7000 or so members pay for a insurance policy inexcess of $50,000 per year which gives national coverage. I can tell you from personal experience being a saftey officer and checking insurance cards of exhibitors that come to my rally very many have there own private public liability insurance of $10mill and I assure to they are made most welcome and take part in all events and continue to come back year after year. Maybe you can suggest to your club Reg seeking alternate insurance providers as it seems from what your saying in regards to your consitution the NHMA doesnt meet your needs of your club I assure you there are companys more than willing to do business contact me off list and I will pass on the contact details. And if you do decide to seek alternate means of coverage so long as it meets the $10mill requirement you will be most welcome to be a an exhbitor and guest at our forth comming rally in March the weekend after the National. If it doesnt meet the $10mill requirement I assure you also there are means of allowing you to exhbit and having a great time at our rally and to that end I extend an invitation to you to visit the weekend after in March. Kind regards, Adam From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Jul 25 07:33:09 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:33:09 EDT Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally Message-ID: <1f1.2602fae9.2e351ea5@aol.com> In a message dated 7/25/2004 10:14:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, adamcottrill at telstra.com writes: << And if you do decide to seek alternate means of coverage so long as it meets the $10mill requirement you will be most welcome to be a an exhbitor >> Holly Mackerel!!! I would hate to price $10M liability insurance. I thought the $1M rider was expensive enough. It will come a time that folks will just keep their stuff at home and let people come to visit provided they sign a document releasing the land owner from any liability like tripping over a blade of grass!! $ for engines, $ for restoration costs, $ truck and trailer, $ for transportation to/from show, $ for sleeping quarters, $ for food, $ for gas for demonstrations, $ for insurance, $ for entrance fees in some cases, $ for misc. expenses. All to demonstrate to the spectators the old ways of life! Great bunch of people we are spending all this money for the enjoyment of others!!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 25 07:46:56 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:46:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Unethical Engine Sellers -ugh!! Message-ID: <00a001c47256$3ec72910$240110ac@VAIO> Reading about several people being recently burned on E-bay purchases reminded me of an engine I purchased at Portland about three years ago. I KNOW, I KNOW, all about buyer beware and all of the other little precautionary statements associated with buying something from a stranger but I guess the human psyche is such that when one engine collector is talking to another we want to believe what the man is telling us is true. How many times have you been told by someone not to turn an engine flywheel over as the valves may be stuck and you can break a rocker arm and there are other reasons you just don't walk up to someone's engine and start jacking it around as we say here in the South. It was the last day I was going to be at Portland and I was making my final round before leaving and I saw a 1-1/4 HP Monitor engine with a pump and pump jack all in tack and it looked pretty good, being an ole vertical engine collector I ask the man about the engine. Now please understand that this engine was setting at the back of his trailer and the flywheel was tied to his trailer frame rails so even if I had wanted to turn the flywheels I could have not without him moving some things out of the way in the trailer, then unstrapping the engine and moving it away from the rail where it was tied. I ask the usual questions; does it run, are there any breaks, cracks or welds and got a resounding "Yes it runs and no there are no CBW's", he went on to tell me this was a great engine. I offered him $100 less than he was asking and he acted like I insulted him and then he went on another tirade telling me what each component was worth, he would tell me what the engine alone was worth, what the pump jack was worth and then what the pump was worth, why he even exclaimed that if I did not believe him I should just ask anyone on the grounds, this engine was a bargain he exclaimed. Being hot, tired and not wanting to further insult this good engineman I told him I would take the engine, I paid him and then while I went and got my truck he and some of his friends un-tied the engine and had it setting on the back end of the trailer when I got there so I could quickly load it up and be on my way which I did. I get the engine home and after a few days of resting and recovering from the Portland experience I decided to go out and see if I could "bust off" the old Monitor and when I turned the flywheel to start it I immediately knew why he had positioned the engine at the back of the trailer and why the flywheel had been tied to the rails....the crankshaft was bent...ugh!!. I am sure that many of you could tell a similar story. With this in mind, and knowing that Portland is just around the corner as well as many other shows, why don't we start a thread on similar experiences we have had buying engines and things that we all should check on an engine before we actually pass the money to the seller. I know that each of us already think we know (and most probably do know) the things to check for such as cracks along the water hopper, in the head, etc, end play, compression leakage by the valves, etc but it might be helpful to some if we would reiterate these things. I use to buy old low end antique cars to restore (Model A's, T's, etc. when I say low end I am talking about their condition not the classis value) and a lot of people would have tons of bondo in rusted areas. I got to where I would carry a little ice box magnet with me and gently rub it around the car and anywhere there was a lot of bondo the magnet would not stick and fall off. Of course if you ask the seller if it had a lot of bondo you usually got the answer, no this old car is solid. What about it gang, someone else share their engine buying experience and impart some timely advice on buying engines to the rest of us. It makes no difference if is seems to obvious to mention, mention it anyway. Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 25 08:02:39 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:02:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Fuel saver getting more confusing Message-ID: <00c201c47258$71009a90$240110ac@VAIO> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyndsay Frazer" To: Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 7:30 AM Subject: Fuel saver getting more confusing > > G'day paul, > Sorry it's taken a while to get back to you. As the subject > line suggests things are becoming more confusing each day. On friday I went > to a mates place who has a 12 hp stover of the " Regular Engine Range"(a > beautiful thing it is too). The fuel saver arm on his engine works the same > way that you think yours should ie. the torsion spring holds the arm under > the valve keeper and the tag on the rocker returns it out of the way. This > is all fine except the pic you sent from the guy out west ( which is a type > W stover) obviously is the opposite unless he has reversed the spring or > something. I would have a photo of the type YB one but my friend who owns > that engine for some reason cannot download the photo from his camera to his > PC. It is no good asking me as I only know how to turn the computer on. > He did send me an email though saying that the fuel saver arm > is definately pushed under the valve keeper by the rocker and the spring > does the returning. As I say it is getting confusing. I will see the YB for > myself next weekend and then I will be sure. It seems to me that Stover may > have changed things as they went along. I did have a thought that pushing > the arm against the valve would cause a lot of stress on the stem so it > could be that I am completely wrong in my thinking but the photos tend to > make me think things may have changed between models. If it turns out that I > am wrong I am very sorry( getting old and silly). > > > Cheers, > Lyndsay. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Love Movies? You'll love HomeScreen. Rental DVDs - no late fees! Go to: > http://www.ninemsn.homescreen.com.au/account/freetrial/?.promo=9msn_hotmail_ > tagline > > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Jul 25 08:28:20 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:28:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally In-Reply-To: <1f1.2602fae9.2e351ea5@aol.com> References: <1f1.2602fae9.2e351ea5@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:33:09 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 7/25/2004 10:14:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >adamcottrill at telstra.com writes: > ><< And if you do decide to seek alternate means of coverage so long as it >meets the $10mill requirement you will be most welcome to be a an exhbitor >> > > >Holly Mackerel!!! I would hate to price $10M liability insurance. I thought >the $1M rider was expensive enough. It will come a time that folks will just >keep their stuff at home and let people come to visit provided they sign a >document releasing the land owner from any liability like tripping over a blade >of grass!! Don't forget the relative value of the Australian Dollar to the US Dollar, Tom, but it is still probably $US 5million or so. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Jul 25 08:56:15 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:56:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally References: <1f1.2602fae9.2e351ea5@aol.com> Message-ID: <0efd01c4725f$ec1894b0$0400a8c0@Dave> > Holly Mackerel!!! I would hate to price $10M liability insurance. I thought > the $1M rider was expensive enough. > Tom Schmutz EDGE&TA insurance will cost you only $4.50 for 1M--and that's for the whole year! Dave From adamcottrill at telstra.com Sun Jul 25 01:54:51 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:54:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NR Message-ID: <3a71c43a792f.3a792f3a71c4@email.bigpond.com> Dear Reg, If you change your mind the offer still stands lets talk? As for go back to running it my way??? I think thats a bit unfair. I'll say this however I am a NHMA member I have one vote as do you Reg and every other member in the NHMA. Again I congratulate you on your "Open Comments" and I look forward to many more which I hope you will choose to air. As I mentioned before Reg if there where more people who wherent afriad to say what they think like you Reg and provide a solution and act on it; the world would be a better place and I take my hat off to you. Best regards, Adam From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Jul 25 16:52:38 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 19:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally In-Reply-To: <3b049f3ad202.3ad2023b049f@email.bigpond.com> References: <3b049f3ad202.3ad2023b049f@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: Hi Adam, What sort of national law requires $10 mill. insurance? How extensive is this sort of requirement? Just for old engine exhibitors or anyone? For example if I wanted to throw a village picnic would all participants need to have $10 mill. insurance cover? How about buskers (street entertainers)? Do they need the $10 mill. cover? DOes it depend on their act? Mimes and singers, no. Jugglers and accordian players yes? How about automobile liability; $10 mill also? More? Seems a VERY strange national requirement in the absence of abundent evidence of mass carnage at engine rallys. At least with autos on the road there's a huge database of evidence of death and destruction. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA USA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sun, 25 Jul 2004, Adam Cottrill wrote: > Clubs do have a fair and equal chance to co exist as proven by the > examples above so long as they have a minimun of 10mill public liablity > which is now in most states is the min requirement by law. > And if you do decide to seek alternate means of coverage so long as it > meets the $10mill requirement you will be most welcome to be a an > exhbitor and guest at our forth comming rally in March the weekend after > the National. If it doesnt meet the $10mill requirement I assure you > also there are means of allowing you to exhbit and having a great time > at our rally and to that end I extend an invitation to you to visit the > weekend after in March. From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Jul 25 17:46:58 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:46:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally References: <3b049f3ad202.3ad2023b049f@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <002d01c472aa$10672b20$8a63fea9@sweeper> Well done Adam. What you have said puts it into perspective. Ron Page ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 10:55 PM Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally > > "Any independent club has no chance of co existing amicably due to the nature > of the rules re members insurance cover. You are one or the other." > > You missed the point Reg that Orford one of the most popular and fastest growing rallys does not have NHMA affiliation (ok well maybe this says something). Two of its members kindly fund the insurance premium privately so they can run the rally. > > My own club until recently has its own private insurance policy and changed to the National body simply because it was more cost effective $12 per person compared to $2500 a year. > > I also draw your attention to the National Rally Entry form to the section where it asks if do or do not have public liability of $10mill or more, if you dont they offer avenues to obtain it in previous National rallys before Hayfield my club sort to abtain to to meet the requirements of the NHMA as we only had $5mill at the time. > > Clubs do have a fair and equal chance to co exist as proven by the examples above so long as they have a minimun of 10mill public liablity which is now in most states is the min requirement by law. > > Insurance is avalible for this hobby in this country if you can afford it and I see that point being no fault of the NHMA who collectively with its 7000 or so members pay for a insurance policy inexcess of $50,000 per year which gives national coverage. > > I can tell you from personal experience being a saftey officer and checking insurance cards of exhibitors that come to my rally very many have there own private public liability insurance of $10mill and I assure to they are made most welcome and take part in all events and continue to come back year after year. > > Maybe you can suggest to your club Reg seeking alternate insurance providers as it seems from what your saying in regards to your consitution the NHMA doesnt meet your needs of your club I assure you there are companys more than willing to do business contact me off list and I will pass on the contact details. > > And if you do decide to seek alternate means of coverage so long as it meets the $10mill requirement you will be most welcome to be a an exhbitor and guest at our forth comming rally in March the weekend after the National. If it doesnt meet the $10mill requirement I assure you also there are means of allowing you to exhbit and having a great time at our rally and to that end I extend an invitation to you to visit the weekend after in March. > > Kind regards, > Adam > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Jul 25 18:00:05 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:00:05 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally References: <3b049f3ad202.3ad2023b049f@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <004001c472ab$e37d24a0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Arnie Most of our States and local councils require this before you can conduct an event. We have had a number of small events wiped off the books because the clubs are too small to come up with the premiums. This is not just for our hobby. If you wanted to have a public picnic in a park then you would need council approval and meet their requirements. Don't know about buskers. When we register our cars we have what they call COMPULSORY third party insurance for protection. We can also get third party property and also comprehensive insurance but these are personal choice. Ron Page ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally > Hi Adam, > > What sort of national law requires $10 mill. insurance? How extensive is > this sort of requirement? Just for old engine exhibitors or anyone? For > example if I wanted to throw a village picnic would all participants need > to have $10 mill. insurance cover? How about buskers (street > entertainers)? Do they need the $10 mill. cover? DOes it depend on their > act? Mimes and singers, no. Jugglers and accordian players yes? > > How about automobile liability; $10 mill also? More? > > Seems a VERY strange national requirement in the absence of abundent > evidence of mass carnage at engine rallys. At least with autos on the > road there's a huge database of evidence of death and destruction. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA USA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Sun, 25 Jul 2004, Adam Cottrill wrote: > > > Clubs do have a fair and equal chance to co exist as proven by the > > examples above so long as they have a minimun of 10mill public liablity > > which is now in most states is the min requirement by law. > > > > > And if you do decide to seek alternate means of coverage so long as it > > meets the $10mill requirement you will be most welcome to be a an > > exhbitor and guest at our forth comming rally in March the weekend after > > the National. If it doesnt meet the $10mill requirement I assure you > > also there are means of allowing you to exhbit and having a great time > > at our rally and to that end I extend an invitation to you to visit the > > weekend after in March. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Jul 25 19:23:05 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:23:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally Message-ID: <20040725.223512.988.7.jlb94@juno.com> Good Job Reg - Keep us all posted. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 07:47:34 +1000 "Reg & Margaret Ingold" writes: > Here is the reply I have received. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JULIAN PRICE > To: randmingold at hotkey.net.au > Cc: david carter > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 10:31 PM > Subject: Acknowledgement of e-mail > > > Dear Reg, > Your letter of concern has been passed on to me for my > comments, and I can assure you that this letter will be tabled at > our very next committee meeting, as a letter of this nature is a big > concern of ours and as such must be properly addressed. I can > promise you that this letter will receive the attention of all of > our committee members and will be dealt with in a correct manner and > either myself or someone from the committee will be in touch with > you once we have dealt with the issues you have raised. Once again > Reg, thank you for the letter, as it only through this sort of thing > that we can be aware of any problems. > Sincerely > > Julian Price > Senior Coordinator > > P.S It is my intention that every member will have a copy of this > letter, to take home and return with their answers at the following > meeting, with no one knowing what each other has written, as since > the drawing up of the original registration form, so much has > happened, that an entirely different focus on things may be > expected. > Yours etc > JP > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 25 19:43:41 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 19:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show Message-ID: <20040726024341.6890.qmail@web20221.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Folks, Well, things are starting to shape up for this year's badger Steam & Gas Engine Club show. I think it will be a pretty good one. We are going to be joined this year by the Ford/Fordson Collectors for their national show. We are expecting a lot of tractors, this might just be our biggest feature yet. When I heard that the feature was Ford, I asked myself just how many 8N's can a guy look at without getting bored. Then I did a little research and saw some photos from past shows, and I realized how wrong I was. There should be a lot of really unusual variations on Ford and Fordson tractors, tracklayers, half tracks, all sorts of goodies. I am really looking forward to it. I hope I get a chance to get out of the shed long enough to see the show. We have just finished putting up a 50 by 100 foot building that will be our machine shop. It won't be operational for the show, since hanging the lineshaft and getting everything lined up will take a lot of time and head scratching. One of our fellow list members, Jon Rowsam, is doing some repair to the 20 hp Otto that we will use to run the lineshaft. Jon is a good machinist and mechanic, but we don't hear much from him on the list, he would rather work than talk about work! Here is pic of him working on a Ruston at a show a few years ago:http://badgersteamandgas.com/photos/Scan303.jpg Natty dresser, ain't he. I prefer bib overalls and a goofy hat, myself. The Otto should make a nice powerplant to run the shop, and it will be nice to see her working. Other than that, not a great deal of news. We have removed a lot of small trees in the engine area. There will still be lots of shade, but a little thinning was in order. They were pretty scrubby and made getting around with a trailer and truck a little tight at times. One of our members, Mark Beard, has been busy grinding stumps and I think that the guys who exhibit up there will be pretty happy with the results. Also, we have added a bunch of camping spots. All camping is primitive, but the setting is nice and it is convenient. The main improvements to our show grounds are things that no one will really notice, new lawn care equipment, additional electrical service, some maintenance on a few things. These were all things that were needed and will certainly make those of us who take care of the place have an easier time of it. I am working on making some major improvements to the cooling system in the gas shed, adding larger pumps and changing the control logic. This coming Saturday, the 31st, is a work day, and we are going to be doing some cleaning up and moving some junk to make for more exhibitor parking. Funny, when we hauled that stuff in there it SEEMED like it was out of the way! During the show, I would sure welcome some help in the gas engine shed. If you always wanted to play with big engines, this is your chance. The big thing is that we get folks who keep an eye on them and make sure that the water is flowing, there is oil in the oilers and to shut the gas off if something stalls. It is a lot of fun and you get to play with something a little different than what most of us are used to. Here is a link to some photos of the engine shed: http://badgersteamandgas.com/gas_engine_shed.htm A recent addition to our website is a message board. I just put it up the other night, so it hasn't seen much traffic. I am hoping it will help encourage the sharing of information and answering of questions. I would appreciate comments on how to improve it. Here's a link: http://badgersteamandgas.com/phpBB2/ I am told that there will be a list area at this year's show, August 20th, 21st & 22nd. Last year I got to meet Arnie, which was really great, and I hope to meet more listfolk this year! See ya! Joe ===== Joe Prindle Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: www.tznet.com/jprindle Our Club: www.badgersteamandgas.com See Yoo in Baraboo! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Jul 25 19:43:47 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:43:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally References: <3b049f3ad202.3ad2023b049f@email.bigpond.com> <004001c472ab$e37d24a0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: <002901c472ba$60560470$0400a8c0@Dave> > Arnie > Most of our States and local councils require this before you can conduct an > event. We have had a number of small events wiped off the books because the > clubs are too small to come up with the premiums. This is not just for our > hobby. If you wanted to have a public picnic in a park then you would need > council approval and meet their requirements. Don't know about buskers. > When we register our cars we have what they call COMPULSORY third party > insurance for protection. We can also get third party property and also > comprehensive insurance but these are personal choice. > Ron Page Hi Ron, I take for granted all this was done to you by your government AFTER they took away your guns! Dave From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Jul 25 21:35:58 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:35:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally References: <3b049f3ad202.3ad2023b049f@email.bigpond.com><004001c472ab$e37d24a0$8a63fea9@sweeper> <002901c472ba$60560470$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <000901c472ca$0de52da0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Dave The State governments have had this in place for as long as I can remember. I have been registering cars since 1965 and have always had to pay third party insurance. In the case of our area the insurance is about 60% of the registration cost. The guns issue is a relatively recent initiative. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally > > Arnie > > Most of our States and local councils require this before you can conduct > an > > event. We have had a number of small events wiped off the books because > the > > clubs are too small to come up with the premiums. This is not just for > our > > hobby. If you wanted to have a public picnic in a park then you would > need > > council approval and meet their requirements. Don't know about buskers. > > When we register our cars we have what they call COMPULSORY third party > > insurance for protection. We can also get third party property and also > > comprehensive insurance but these are personal choice. > > Ron Page > > Hi Ron, > I take for granted all this was done to you by your government AFTER > they took away your guns! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Jul 25 21:58:41 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:58:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally References: <3b049f3ad202.3ad2023b049f@email.bigpond.com><004001c472ab$e37d24a0$8a63fea9@sweeper> <002901c472ba$60560470$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <000901c472cd$3956aba0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Dave, I think your timeframe is a little off. First they insured there were nothing but ewes and wethers in the country. At that point they took the guns. Next logical step is smoking, and old engines smoke. Must have done a pride cut on Reg cause he still has enough to try. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally > > Arnie > > Most of our States and local councils require this before you can conduct > an > > event. We have had a number of small events wiped off the books because > the > > clubs are too small to come up with the premiums. This is not just for > our > > hobby. If you wanted to have a public picnic in a park then you would > need > > council approval and meet their requirements. Don't know about buskers. > > When we register our cars we have what they call COMPULSORY third party > > insurance for protection. We can also get third party property and also > > comprehensive insurance but these are personal choice. > > Ron Page > > Hi Ron, > I take for granted all this was done to you by your government AFTER > they took away your guns! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From adamcottrill at telstra.com Sun Jul 25 05:27:14 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:27:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Cost Message-ID: <3a8d483ae57c.3ae57c3a8d48@email.bigpond.com> Guys, Im told the national rally is going to cost $300,000 to run lets give the organisers some help in bringing this cost down? Cheers, Adam From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Jul 25 23:27:42 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:27:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally In-Reply-To: References: <3b049f3ad202.3ad2023b049f@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 19:52:38 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Hi Adam, > >What sort of national law requires $10 mill. insurance? How extensive is >this sort of requirement? Just for old engine exhibitors or anyone? For >example if I wanted to throw a village picnic would all participants need >to have $10 mill. insurance cover? How about buskers (street >entertainers)? Do they need the $10 mill. cover? DOes it depend on their >act? Mimes and singers, no. Jugglers and accordian players yes? Our engine club has ?5,000,000 liability insurance, individually, for its members, that is the going rate now if you want to exhibit in the UK. That equates to: $US 9,174,500 or $AU 12,932,418 >How about automobile liability; $10 mill also? More? Unlimited in the UK for 3rd party accidents IIRC. >Seems a VERY strange national requirement in the absence of abundent >evidence of mass carnage at engine rallys. At least with autos on the >road there's a huge database of evidence of death and destruction. Yes, I have to agree with you, Arnie, but it is a requirement and we are now in the era of the 'ambulance-chasers' and lawyers who offer to pursue liability claims for almost any kind of accident or incidient, however small. Litigation is what is going to kill the small rallies as they sink below the paperwork, regulations and insurance premiums. Unfortunately while we have inherited these things from overseas, we haven't inherited their relatively low premiums for insurance cover! >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Mon Jul 26 00:37:50 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:37:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Collection - Gilbertsville, NY Message-ID: <1hc9g09blp2bbk54dhhkd8jbgdmanrunmm@4ax.com> Is there anyone in the Gilbertsville, NY area that could collect a couple of Homelite gennies for us and hold them for a while? Thes are the two-stroke models with 120V 400Hz AC alternators on. They are bolted on a pallet, & paid for but the vendor seems to have had problems with the shipping arrangements, so we need to collect them from him and have a rethink. Vendor can assist with loading. All travelling expenses etc paid for, of course! :-)) Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Jul 26 03:54:32 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:54:32 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show Message-ID: <072620041054.14915.13a7@mchsi.com> Hi Joe, Looks like I might beable to come up for workday and was wondering if we could rope off The "SEL List" turf back in the timber area as we previously talked last month? Curt Andree > Hi Folks, > Well, things are starting to shape up for this year's badger Steam & Gas > Engine Club show. I think it will be a pretty good one. We are going to be > joined this year by the Ford/Fordson Collectors for their national show. > We are expecting a lot of tractors, this might just be our biggest feature > yet. When I heard that the feature was Ford, I asked myself just how many > 8N's can a guy look at without getting bored. Then I did a little research > and saw some photos from past shows, and I realized how wrong I was. There > should be a lot of really unusual variations on Ford and Fordson tractors, > tracklayers, half tracks, all sorts of goodies. I am really looking > forward to it. I hope I get a chance to get out of the shed long enough to > see the show. > We have just finished putting up a 50 by 100 foot building that will be > our machine shop. It won't be operational for the show, since hanging the > lineshaft and getting everything lined up will take a lot of time and head > scratching. One of our fellow list members, Jon Rowsam, is doing some > repair to the 20 hp Otto that we will use to run the lineshaft. Jon is a > good machinist and mechanic, but we don't hear much from him on the list, > he would rather work than talk about work! Here is pic of him working on a > Ruston at a show a few years > ago:http://badgersteamandgas.com/photos/Scan303.jpg > Natty dresser, ain't he. I prefer bib overalls and a goofy hat, myself. > The Otto should make a nice powerplant to run the shop, and it will be > nice to see her working. > Other than that, not a great deal of news. We have removed a lot of small > trees in the engine area. There will still be lots of shade, but a little > thinning was in order. They were pretty scrubby and made getting around > with a trailer and truck a little tight at times. One of our members, Mark > Beard, has been busy grinding stumps and I think that the guys who exhibit > up there will be pretty happy with the results. Also, we have added a > bunch of camping spots. All camping is primitive, but the setting is nice > and it is convenient. > The main improvements to our show grounds are things that no one will > really notice, new lawn care equipment, additional electrical service, > some maintenance on a few things. These were all things that were needed > and will certainly make those of us who take care of the place have an > easier time of it. I am working on making some major improvements to the > cooling system in the gas shed, adding larger pumps and changing the > control logic. > This coming Saturday, the 31st, is a work day, and we are going to be > doing some cleaning up and moving some junk to make for more exhibitor > parking. Funny, when we hauled that stuff in there it SEEMED like it was > out of the way! > During the show, I would sure welcome some help in the gas engine shed. If > you always wanted to play with big engines, this is your chance. The big > thing is that we get folks who keep an eye on them and make sure that the > water is flowing, there is oil in the oilers and to shut the gas off if > something stalls. It is a lot of fun and you get to play with something a > little different than what most of us are used to. Here is a link to some > photos of the engine shed: > http://badgersteamandgas.com/gas_engine_shed.htm > A recent addition to our website is a message board. I just put it up the > other night, so it hasn't seen much traffic. I am hoping it will help > encourage the sharing of information and answering of questions. I would > appreciate comments on how to improve it. > Here's a link: > http://badgersteamandgas.com/phpBB2/ > I am told that there will be a list area at this year's show, August 20th, > 21st & 22nd. Last year I got to meet Arnie, which was really great, and I > hope to meet more listfolk this year! > See ya! > Joe > > ===== > Joe Prindle > Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist > See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: > www.tznet.com/jprindle > Our Club: > www.badgersteamandgas.com > See Yoo in Baraboo! > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jul 26 04:51:44 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:51:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Unethical Engine Sellers/engine buying References: <00a001c47256$3ec72910$240110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <4104F050.5090707@imc-group.com> Paul, I've gotten in the habit of buying engines with the nod of approval from a fellow engine buddy. In the excitement of buying an engine it is easy to overlook an item on your mental checklist of things that can be wrong with an engine. So when I find an engine at a show I'll ask a buddy to look it over with me first before I make an offer. The reciprocal is true too. A well known collector asked me to look over a Massey Harris engine he had the hots for at Portland this spring. He was ready to buy it but asked me to check it out first. I went thru the whole check list and was rotating the flywheels and discovered the crankshaft was bent. As soon as he saw it he was no long interested. This fellow has bought thousands of engines in his years in the engine hobby and knew exactly what to check for. But we all have mental lapses in the heat of the moment. It always helps to have a buddy who can add a non-biased, levelheaded assessment of engine before you whip out the cash. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: >I get the engine home and after a few days of resting and recovering from >the Portland experience I decided to go out and see if I could "bust off" >the old Monitor and when I turned the flywheel to start it I immediately >knew why he had positioned the engine at the back of the trailer and why the >flywheel had been tied to the rails....the crankshaft was bent...ugh!!. I am >sure that many of you could tell a similar story. > > > From falcon at telenet.net Mon Jul 26 05:31:01 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:31:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Collection - Gilbertsville, NY References: <1hc9g09blp2bbk54dhhkd8jbgdmanrunmm@4ax.com> Message-ID: <005c01c4730c$6a155040$c41117d1@net.telenet.net> About how tall are they on the pallet? Under 39" ? Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 3:37 AM Subject: [SEL] Collection - Gilbertsville, NY > Is there anyone in the Gilbertsville, NY area that could collect a couple of > Homelite gennies for us and hold them for a while? Thes are the two-stroke > models with 120V 400Hz AC alternators on. > > They are bolted on a pallet, & paid for but the vendor seems to have had > problems with the shipping arrangements, so we need to collect them from him and > have a rethink. Vendor can assist with loading. > > All travelling expenses etc paid for, of course! :-)) > > Peter > > -- > Peter & Rita Forbes > diesel at easynet.co.uk > Engine pages for preservation info: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From andyglines at hotmail.com Mon Jul 26 05:36:22 2004 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:36:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: trailer plans Message-ID: >Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:41:56 -0500 >From: "Paul Maples" >Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Trailer Plans >To: "Stationary Engine List" >Message-ID: <001301c470e4$beb76180$d2f70cd1 at VAIO> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >My Grandson's FFA Teacher just contacted me and ask me if I by any chance >had any plans for building a 5' X 12' trailer with loading ramps. She is >getting ready for this year's FFA Projects and my Grandson is going to be >on >the Trailer Build Team. The teacher was aware that I had hundreds of plans >but most of them are woodworking plans. > >Do any of you guys are gals have any plans you could donate to the Searcy >High School FFA program? > >Thought it was worth the effort to ask. > >Thanks, > >Paul They should consider borrowing a trailer and copying it. Not only will you get a lesson on how to build something they will get to do some reverse engineering. The class can take the measurements and make inprovements or refinements to the original manufacturers design. Reverse engineer will be a good skill to have on the farm. When a replacement part has to be made there won't be plans available. _________________________________________________________________ Planning a family vacation? Check out the MSN Family Travel guide! http://dollar.msn.com From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Jul 26 05:49:01 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:49:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? References: <200407241317.i6ODH3wf042750@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <002901c4730e$ef793150$4609a4cb@km> G'Day Patrick As Peter said depends where you live, remember most Americans only know the world ends on the East coast on one side and the West coast on the other, no offence intended. In OZ I think the other way round now that P Knight has articles in TOMM, but you have all forgotten the one and only (thank goodness), known and loved by engine woman all over the world, unliked by his club and the NHMA, a body that no one would want, and there is more! old no knee's, model guru, world traveller. after all that I have forgotten his name 8-)) Kerry > Hi Arnie, > Probably the two most recognizable 'international' names in Oz would > have to be C.H. Wendel as there would be few who do not have his book. The > other would be Patrick Knight as a lot of people have his A-Z of British > engines and he is a regular contributor to TOMM. > Patrick > From prepair at easynet.co.uk Mon Jul 26 06:25:47 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:25:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Collection - Gilbertsville, NY In-Reply-To: <005c01c4730c$6a155040$c41117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <1hc9g09blp2bbk54dhhkd8jbgdmanrunmm@4ax.com> <005c01c4730c$6a155040$c41117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:31:01 -0400, you wrote: >About how tall are they on the pallet? Under 39" ? > >Steve Williams >Near Cooperstown NY I'd have thought that they would be well under that, Steve, these are the small Homelite two-cycle engine genny sets that a few of the list guys have in their collections, but I haven't got a height readily available. I have the vendor's phone number on my home PC (I'm at work now) so I can email you his number later unless one of the other guys can confirm a height for us. I'd guess less than 24" myself. Thanks, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Jul 26 06:29:34 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:29:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gas tank holdown Message-ID: Howdy all; Looking for any information/pix's regarding the gas tank holdown on a 1910 5hp Galloway Sawrig. Evidence shows a previously installed 1" band around the circumference halfway up the tank. This tank is 12" in dia. and ~ 16" high with a coned top. Evidence also shows 4 holes in the top of the frame rails, just outside the circumference. TIA RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From jhcullom at adelphia.net Mon Jul 26 07:34:50 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:34:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gas tank holdown References: Message-ID: <010b01c4731d$b5446220$6401a8c0@john> Hi Rick, Don't know if I've showed you this before, but here's what was on mine. Little tabs that were soldered in places around the bottom of the tank, which were secured to the base with screws. Here they are.... http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/tab1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/tab2.jpg Hope this helps, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" > Looking for any information/pix's regarding the gas tank holdown on a 1910 > 5hp Galloway Sawrig. Evidence shows a previously installed 1" band around > the circumference halfway up the tank. This tank is 12" in dia. and ~ 16" > high with a coned top. Evidence also shows 4 holes in the top of the frame > rails, just outside the circumference. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 26 08:20:51 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland - Unethical Engine Sellers/engine buying In-Reply-To: <4104F050.5090707@imc-group.com> References: <00a001c47256$3ec72910$240110ac@VAIO> <4104F050.5090707@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, That bit of advice is soooo important. In addition to providing a dispassionate assessment of the condition of the engine, I think it also helps to get a "sanity check" on the price. This is probably even more important at an auction where the passion to own the engine can also be fired by "auction fever." As the old wheeze goes... "Been there, done that, and now own an EXPENSIVE lump of iron." See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, Curt Holland wrote: > I've gotten in the habit of buying engines with the nod of approval from > a fellow engine buddy. In the excitement of buying an engine it is easy > to overlook an item on your mental checklist of things that can be wrong > with an engine. So when I find an engine at a show I'll ask a buddy to > look it over with me first before I make an offer. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 26 08:39:01 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally In-Reply-To: <004001c472ab$e37d24a0$8a63fea9@sweeper> References: <3b049f3ad202.3ad2023b049f@email.bigpond.com> <004001c472ab$e37d24a0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: Hi Ron, Thanks, but that didn't answer my question. Is the $10 mill. insurance cover required for EVERYTHING? A church tea & crumpet social for example; or is just old engine rallys? And with regard to auto insurance, my question was not is it required, but is the minimum at the $10 mill. level, more, less? What I find so incredibly shocking is the disparity between risk and coverage. I think you lot have allowed the insurance lobby to do to Oz what the trial lawyer lobby has done to the US. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA USA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, Ron Page wrote: > Most of our States and local councils require this before you can conduct an > event. We have had a number of small events wiped off the books because the > clubs are too small to come up with the premiums. This is not just for our > hobby. If you wanted to have a public picnic in a park then you would need > council approval and meet their requirements. Don't know about buskers. > > When we register our cars we have what they call COMPULSORY third party > insurance for protection. We can also get third party property and also > comprehensive insurance but these are personal choice. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > > > > What sort of national law requires $10 mill. insurance? How extensive is > > this sort of requirement? Just for old engine exhibitors or anyone? For > > example if I wanted to throw a village picnic would all participants need > > to have $10 mill. insurance cover? How about buskers (street > > entertainers)? Do they need the $10 mill. cover? DOes it depend on their > > act? Mimes and singers, no. Jugglers and accordian players yes? > > > > How about automobile liability; $10 mill also? More? > > > > Seems a VERY strange national requirement in the absence of abundent > > evidence of mass carnage at engine rallys. At least with autos on the > > road there's a huge database of evidence of death and destruction. From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 26 10:00:15 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:00:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <019901c47332$067d4ad0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> >>I think you lot have allowed the insurance lobby to do to Oz what the trial lawyer lobby has done to the US.<< And the "need" for such insurance is because of the lawyers following ambulances around telling people they should sue for all they can. Of course the insurance industry doesn't mind the business, either........ Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:39 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally Hi Ron, Thanks, but that didn't answer my question. Is the $10 mill. insurance cover required for EVERYTHING? A church tea & crumpet social for example; or is just old engine rallys? And with regard to auto insurance, my question was not is it required, but is the minimum at the $10 mill. level, more, less? What I find so incredibly shocking is the disparity between risk and coverage. I think you lot have allowed the insurance lobby to do to Oz what the trial lawyer lobby has done to the US. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA USA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, Ron Page wrote: > Most of our States and local councils require this before you can > conduct an event. We have had a number of small events wiped off the > books because the clubs are too small to come up with the premiums. > This is not just for our hobby. If you wanted to have a public picnic > in a park then you would need council approval and meet their > requirements. Don't know about buskers. > > When we register our cars we have what they call COMPULSORY third > party insurance for protection. We can also get third party property > and also comprehensive insurance but these are personal choice. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > > > > What sort of national law requires $10 mill. insurance? How > > extensive is this sort of requirement? Just for old engine > > exhibitors or anyone? For example if I wanted to throw a village > > picnic would all participants need to have $10 mill. insurance > > cover? How about buskers (street entertainers)? Do they need the > > $10 mill. cover? DOes it depend on their act? Mimes and singers, > > no. Jugglers and accordian players yes? > > > > How about automobile liability; $10 mill also? More? > > > > Seems a VERY strange national requirement in the absence of abundent > > evidence of mass carnage at engine rallys. At least with autos on > > the road there's a huge database of evidence of death and > > destruction. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 26 10:26:11 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:26:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally In-Reply-To: <000901c472ca$0de52da0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: <01a001c47335$a71eefe0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> >>the insurance is about 60% of the registration costthe insurance is about 60% of the registration cost<, I wish MY auto insurance was about 60% of the registration cost! Either I'd have cheap insurance, or my registration costs would skyrocket. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Page Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 11:36 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally Dave The State governments have had this in place for as long as I can remember. I have been registering cars since 1965 and have always had to pay third party insurance. In the case of our area the insurance is about 60% of the registration cost. The guns issue is a relatively recent initiative. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally > > Arnie > > Most of our States and local councils require this before you can conduct > an > > event. We have had a number of small events wiped off the books > > because > the > > clubs are too small to come up with the premiums. This is not just > > for > our > > hobby. If you wanted to have a public picnic in a park then you > > would > need > > council approval and meet their requirements. Don't know about > > buskers. When we register our cars we have what they call COMPULSORY > > third party insurance for protection. We can also get third party > > property and also comprehensive insurance but these are personal > > choice. Ron Page > > Hi Ron, > I take for granted all this was done to you by your government > AFTER they took away your guns! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 26 12:04:28 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:04:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Unethical Engine Sellers/engine buying References: <00a001c47256$3ec72910$240110ac@VAIO> <4104F050.5090707@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <006c01c47343$61e16120$240110ac@VAIO> Good advise Curt, thanks. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Unethical Engine Sellers/engine buying > Paul, > I've gotten in the habit of buying engines with the nod of approval from > a fellow engine buddy. In the excitement of buying an engine it is easy > to overlook an item on your mental checklist of things that can be wrong > with an engine. So when I find an engine at a show I'll ask a buddy to > look it over with me first before I make an offer. The reciprocal is > true too. A well known collector asked me to look over a Massey Harris > engine he had the hots for at Portland this spring. He was ready to buy > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Jul 26 13:04:31 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:04:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT-1 Message-ID: <20040726.160613.248.7.jlb94@juno.com> Hey Guys - Today I took the crank cover off my Stover CT-1 and am going to replace the oil gaskets. While cleaning up the surfaces, I realized that I've done this several times and it always seems to leak pretty bad. It's almost like it's foolish to try sealing it up. I have gaskets which are cork - and the felt that goes over the bearing caps and between the cover and housing. The felt doesn't seem to be much more than carpet padding. I could pretty much guarantee that when I 'm done it's going to leak no matter how hard I try to seal it up. The surfaces are in good shape and no cracks or welds. How about some opinions as to what methods to use to insure a leak-proof seal ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jrowland3 at neo.rr.com Mon Jul 26 13:28:30 2004 From: jrowland3 at neo.rr.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:28:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Progress Report References: Message-ID: <008101c4734f$1da3c820$a4291941@neo.rr.com> Thanks everyone involved with the ATIS Charity Auction. The Tod Engine Foundation was a recipient of $400 which is certainly going to be put to use shortly! I called our rigging outfit this morning and he plans to get started Wednesday on moving five of the large Tod Engine parts from Girard to the museum site. I've been waiting it seems like an eternity to get this phase of the project underway, and it looks like it may finally happen. This will be a big day for the Tod Engine Foundation and I plan to take many many photos and place them on our webshots page. More updates as work progresses. Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Foundation 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Stationary Rolling Mill Engine Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark Youngstown, OH www.todengine.org From diesel at easynet.co.uk Mon Jul 26 13:31:16 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:31:16 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT-1 In-Reply-To: <20040726.160613.248.7.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20040726.160613.248.7.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:04:31 -0400, you wrote: >How about some opinions as to what methods to use to insure a leak-proof >seal ? > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. What are the breathing arrangements, Joe ? That piston whizzing in and out is going to cause pressure pulses in the enclosed area which will tend to blow oil out at every gap. Reminds me of the big F-M at Mount Wilson, that had a veritable gale blowing in and out of the two breather covers when the engine was running, as both pistons went up and down together. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jul 26 02:14:21 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:14:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Cost References: <3a8d483ae57c.3ae57c3a8d48@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <000201c47357$85aa5c60$5e111bd3@athlon> How? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 10:27 PM Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Cost > > Guys, > Im told the national rally is going to cost $300,000 to run lets give the organisers some help in bringing this cost down? > > Cheers, > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at the-i.net Mon Jul 26 15:58:37 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:58:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Cost References: <3a8d483ae57c.3ae57c3a8d48@email.bigpond.com> <000201c47357$85aa5c60$5e111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <016701c47364$1776c500$07905841@oemcomputer> > How? > > > Guys, > > Im told the national rally is going to cost $300,000 to run lets give > the organisers some help in bringing this cost down? Open the books regarding the expense accounts . I just went through mine again and made money by not spending it anymore . This is what I was thinking when you made the request to pare the 300k down Man , that is a lot of bread....... aint it ? From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Jul 26 16:20:10 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:20:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally References: <3b049f3ad202.3ad2023b049f@email.bigpond.com><004001c472ab$e37d24a0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: <003901c47367$190a7d00$8a63fea9@sweeper> Hi Arnie Sorry I did not explain it properly but if you want to hold a public function most counncil will want you to have $10 mill coverage and as for the motor vehicle third party insurance no upper sum is provided - they generally have a schedule for certain things like like for loss of arms, legs, etc however you can go to court and try and get more. Others in the field may be more familiar with the technicalities. As for your last comment the lawyers in Oz have certainly copied the US model and this has subsequently put pressure on the insurance companies although it is appearing that "personal accountability" is being recognised by the courts. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally > Hi Ron, > > Thanks, but that didn't answer my question. Is the $10 mill. insurance > cover required for EVERYTHING? A church tea & crumpet social for example; > or is just old engine rallys? And with regard to auto insurance, my > question was not is it required, but is the minimum at the $10 mill. > level, more, less? What I find so incredibly shocking is the disparity > between risk and coverage. I think you lot have allowed the insurance > lobby to do to Oz what the trial lawyer lobby has done to the US. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA USA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, Ron Page wrote: > > > Most of our States and local councils require this before you can conduct an > > event. We have had a number of small events wiped off the books because the > > clubs are too small to come up with the premiums. This is not just for our > > hobby. If you wanted to have a public picnic in a park then you would need > > council approval and meet their requirements. Don't know about buskers. > > > > When we register our cars we have what they call COMPULSORY third party > > insurance for protection. We can also get third party property and also > > comprehensive insurance but these are personal choice. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Arnie Fero" > > > > > > What sort of national law requires $10 mill. insurance? How extensive is > > > this sort of requirement? Just for old engine exhibitors or anyone? For > > > example if I wanted to throw a village picnic would all participants need > > > to have $10 mill. insurance cover? How about buskers (street > > > entertainers)? Do they need the $10 mill. cover? DOes it depend on their > > > act? Mimes and singers, no. Jugglers and accordian players yes? > > > > > > How about automobile liability; $10 mill also? More? > > > > > > Seems a VERY strange national requirement in the absence of abundent > > > evidence of mass carnage at engine rallys. At least with autos on the > > > road there's a huge database of evidence of death and destruction. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon Jul 26 16:41:03 2004 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:41:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT-1 References: <20040726.160613.248.7.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <002301c4736a$0551efc0$24b74004@dslverizon.net> A real good point Peter. I have a 4 HP Cushman Binder engine which is a real oil slinger. I was able to make a big reduction by making a check valve for the crankcase breather. Lets air out but does not let it in. This keeps the crankcase pressure slightly negative and stopped a lot of the oil seeping out everywhere. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA, U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover CT-1 > On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:04:31 -0400, you wrote: > > >How about some opinions as to what methods to use to insure a leak-proof > >seal ? > > > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > What are the breathing arrangements, Joe ? That piston whizzing in and out is > going to cause pressure pulses in the enclosed area which will tend to blow oil > out at every gap. > > Reminds me of the big F-M at Mount Wilson, that had a veritable gale blowing in > and out of the two breather covers when the engine was running, as both pistons > went up and down together. > > Peter > > -- > Peter & Rita Forbes > diesel at easynet.co.uk > Engine pages for preservation info: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jfaust at mfi.net Mon Jul 26 16:07:35 2004 From: jfaust at mfi.net (Joe Faust) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:07:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] what color? Message-ID: <006b01c47365$58386ac0$23cc7d41@jfaust> I am in the process of restoring an ALPHA Delaval milking machine engine. Who knows what the originga color was? It seems there are traces of olive drab, but I don't want to make a mistake. Joe F From yostsw at atis.net Tue Jul 27 05:32:09 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:32:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] List outage References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200> <200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200> <200406231816100593.1B13A373@192.168.2.200> <200406241145380078.1ED4722F@192.168.2.200> <200406241734500359.201437E1@192.168.2.200> <200407061438370953.14B4E57A@192.168.2.200> <200407092231060171.026123B2@192.168.2.200> <200407191134280218.038A5E84@192.168.2.200> <200407222152040656.1183F39A@192.168.2.200> <200407231622570453.157CFE16@192.168.2.200> <200407231757210109.002E2606@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> Message-ID: <200407270832090468.03C195F4@heavyiron.atis.net> Starting sometime yesterday evening, the SPAM prevention service I am using stopped forwarding ATIS mail to us. I have a call into them and will keep you folks updated if the repair seems to take a while. For now however, no mail is coming in. Thanks for your patience, Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From bboyce at swat.coop Mon Jul 26 18:48:56 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:48:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update Message-ID: <000c01c4737b$e12f6d90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> after several letters and several months, i finally got a reply from kansas city southern railroad today,,,, got a call from the head of the bridge dept at the shreveport office,,,,evidently, someone from higher up had forwarded one of my letters to him and told him to check into it,,, his words to me were " i think you've gotten the attention of one of the big guys",,,,, so, maybe my letter to mr. haverty, the ceo in kansas city did find its way to his desk......... the guy i talked to today was very cordial and sounded very positive ,,,,,, he didnt know there was an engine still at that location, but said he would go to the location tomorrw and look it over,,,,,, his last words were " i really think that i;ll be able to give you a call back and tell you to come get it",,,,,,,,, so, i guess we'll see,,,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 26 20:04:50 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:04:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Cost In-Reply-To: <000201c47357$85aa5c60$5e111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <003c01c47386$80785c40$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Shop around for suppliers, cut out unnecessary crap. How would YOU budget YOUR money if you lost your job for nearly 2 years? You learn not to spend when you don't NEED to, and to shop for better deals rather than buying the first thing you see. And it's always easy to spend money that is not your own - sort of like politicians....... Organizers don't always see a need to "budget" if they can make more by simply raising prices (taxes?) Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Reg & Margaret Ingold Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 4:14 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Cost How? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 10:27 PM Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Cost > > Guys, > Im told the national rally is going to cost $300,000 to run lets > give the organisers some help in bringing this cost down? > > Cheers, > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Jul 26 20:14:27 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 05:14:27 +0200 Subject: [SEL] HMT 2004 pics Message-ID: <000701c47387$d3c50460$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Put some pictures together to see for y'all, taken at our HMT show last weekend. It was its 25th anniversary and they gave us a brass plaque of 5lbs. We had good weather overall. Pics can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/historischfestival2004.htm John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From rexhinz at chorus.net Sat Jul 24 15:30:28 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 17:30:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Govenor weight springs References: <001801c4710d$26ea0140$6286a5d8@rex> <002c01c471c8$03c29c20$07905841@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000e01c471cd$d5a34d20$2486a5d8@rex> Thanks for the help Alan & Chuck , the engine is now running at a safe speed around 500 rpm and I'm less worried about things flying apart , didn't mean to ruin a chaukboard but I thought I would ask the Pro's , as I just got started in the hobby and I thought good advice is better than a poke in the dark. Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Govenor weight springs > can anyonr tell me how to replace the govenor weight springs on my > > simplicity 1.5 Hp .? , not as to where they go but to find the right > springs > >>. > How do I adjust them when I replace them ? trial and > > error > > > or is there a formula ? > > > Yes there is , but I cant think why , for the life of me , you would need to > mess up prefectly clean chalkboard for this one . > You need to find some rather light gauge springs. A smaller gauge than what > it had will usually do . THe hdw store variety > bend and cut to any length or shape you want (that's shorther) then set them > all the way out and get started , starting your motor . > It isnt hard at all . If it stays latched out and never hits again tighten > up the screw , shorten the spring or put a heavier one . > loosening and tightening the screw most manuf's put for the spring to hook > into is normally sufficient . > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From skipl at montana.com Mon Jul 26 20:38:34 2004 From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:38:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show References: <072620041054.14915.13a7@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <4105CE3A.5EEF19FC@montana.com> curt, what ever happened to the fellow that wanted the edwards crankshaft? skip cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Hi Joe, > Looks like I might beable to come up for workday and was wondering if we could > rope off The "SEL List" turf back in the timber area as we previously talked > last month? > Curt Andree > > Hi Folks, > > Well, things are starting to shape up for this year's badger Steam & Gas > > Engine Club show. I think it will be a pretty good one. We are going to be > > joined this year by the Ford/Fordson Collectors for their national show. > > We are expecting a lot of tractors, this might just be our biggest feature > > yet. When I heard that the feature was Ford, I asked myself just how many > > 8N's can a guy look at without getting bored. Then I did a little research > > and saw some photos from past shows, and I realized how wrong I was. There > > should be a lot of really unusual variations on Ford and Fordson tractors, > > tracklayers, half tracks, all sorts of goodies. I am really looking > > forward to it. I hope I get a chance to get out of the shed long enough to > > see the show. > > We have just finished putting up a 50 by 100 foot building that will be > > our machine shop. It won't be operational for the show, since hanging the > > lineshaft and getting everything lined up will take a lot of time and head > > scratching. One of our fellow list members, Jon Rowsam, is doing some > > repair to the 20 hp Otto that we will use to run the lineshaft. Jon is a > > good machinist and mechanic, but we don't hear much from him on the list, > > he would rather work than talk about work! Here is pic of him working on a > > Ruston at a show a few years > > ago:http://badgersteamandgas.com/photos/Scan303.jpg > > Natty dresser, ain't he. I prefer bib overalls and a goofy hat, myself. > > The Otto should make a nice powerplant to run the shop, and it will be > > nice to see her working. > > Other than that, not a great deal of news. We have removed a lot of small > > trees in the engine area. There will still be lots of shade, but a little > > thinning was in order. They were pretty scrubby and made getting around > > with a trailer and truck a little tight at times. One of our members, Mark > > Beard, has been busy grinding stumps and I think that the guys who exhibit > > up there will be pretty happy with the results. Also, we have added a > > bunch of camping spots. All camping is primitive, but the setting is nice > > and it is convenient. > > The main improvements to our show grounds are things that no one will > > really notice, new lawn care equipment, additional electrical service, > > some maintenance on a few things. These were all things that were needed > > and will certainly make those of us who take care of the place have an > > easier time of it. I am working on making some major improvements to the > > cooling system in the gas shed, adding larger pumps and changing the > > control logic. > > This coming Saturday, the 31st, is a work day, and we are going to be > > doing some cleaning up and moving some junk to make for more exhibitor > > parking. Funny, when we hauled that stuff in there it SEEMED like it was > > out of the way! > > During the show, I would sure welcome some help in the gas engine shed. If > > you always wanted to play with big engines, this is your chance. The big > > thing is that we get folks who keep an eye on them and make sure that the > > water is flowing, there is oil in the oilers and to shut the gas off if > > something stalls. It is a lot of fun and you get to play with something a > > little different than what most of us are used to. Here is a link to some > > photos of the engine shed: > > http://badgersteamandgas.com/gas_engine_shed.htm > > A recent addition to our website is a message board. I just put it up the > > other night, so it hasn't seen much traffic. I am hoping it will help > > encourage the sharing of information and answering of questions. I would > > appreciate comments on how to improve it. > > Here's a link: > > http://badgersteamandgas.com/phpBB2/ > > I am told that there will be a list area at this year's show, August 20th, > > 21st & 22nd. Last year I got to meet Arnie, which was really great, and I > > hope to meet more listfolk this year! > > See ya! > > Joe > > > > ===== > > Joe Prindle > > Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist > > See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: > > www.tznet.com/jprindle > > Our Club: > > www.badgersteamandgas.com > > See Yoo in Baraboo! > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 26 20:47:42 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:47:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT (way OT!) advice on how to sell business needed Message-ID: <004401c4738c$799e4e10$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Since there are so many great minds out here, thought I would ask this group. I know there are doctors, mechanics, judges and heaven forbid, probably even lawyers out here. Time to sell - wife wants to get back to normal life. We've done this for 5.5 years and it's time to move on. She wants to sell the quilt store. Running it was easy compared to what it seems to take to sell. Anyone know how to value the thing and how to go about it - or more importantly, how to NOT go about it? Anyone know what SDCF and/or EBITDA cash flow are and how to get to that? It's been successful, it's paid its own way and has survived competition and economic downturn but we want our time back! So what do we do - or not do? Bill Runnells, Iowa, USA "and tho my race was thought immune, Themselves they did consume. So be warned, or be mourned tomorrow" From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jul 26 15:38:31 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:38:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Stover CT-1 References: <20040726.160613.248.7.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <003901c473b8$0a49c540$d7111bd3@athlon> There is a one way breather on top of the cover. If that aint working you will slop oil. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 6:04 AM Subject: [SEL] Stover CT-1 > Hey Guys - > Today I took the crank cover off my Stover CT-1 and am going to replace > the oil gaskets. > While cleaning up the surfaces, I realized that I've done this several > times and it always > seems to leak pretty bad. It's almost like it's foolish to try sealing > it up. > > I have gaskets which are cork - and the felt that goes over the bearing > caps and between the cover and housing. The felt doesn't seem to be > much more than carpet padding. > > I could pretty much guarantee that when I 'm done it's going to leak no > matter how hard I try to seal it up. > > The surfaces are in good shape and no cracks or welds. > > How about some opinions as to what methods to use to insure a leak-proof > seal ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease - > \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Jul 27 06:43:35 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:43:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test References: <004301c463b5$12ea6c80$bd2dee18@ptdprolog.net> Message-ID: <006801c473df$b76d2060$3a6f29cb@oemcomputer> EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francis jr" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 9:56 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Certified virus free. From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jul 26 18:16:21 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:16:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally References: <3b049f3ad202.3ad2023b049f@email.bigpond.com><004001c472ab$e37d24a0$8a63fea9@sweeper> <003901c47367$190a7d00$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: <01f701c47377$53ef7140$0400a8c0@Dave> > Hi Arnie > Sorry I did not explain it properly but if you want to hold a public > function most counncil will want you to have $10 mill coverage and as for > the motor vehicle third party insurance no upper sum is provided - they > generally have a schedule for certain things like like for loss of arms, > legs, etc however you can go to court and try and get more. Others in the > field may be more familiar with the technicalities. As for your last > comment the lawyers in Oz have certainly copied the US model and this has > subsequently put pressure on the insurance companies although it is > appearing that "personal accountability" is being recognised by the courts. > Ron Was this all after they disarmed you poor bastards? Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jul 27 09:49:42 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update In-Reply-To: <000c01c4737b$e12f6d90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> References: <000c01c4737b$e12f6d90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: Hey Bill, YEE HAW!!! What excellent news! First we get a post from RIck Rowlands on progress with the Tod Engine and now this!! Obviously keep us informed (and don't forget your camera). Now wasn't there another of these "bridge engines" that a list member was chasing? Arkansas maybe....? And while we're having a great engine day, maybe we'll soon be hearing a great story from Paul Evans in Wales? 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, Bill Boyce wrote: > after several letters and several months, i finally got a reply from kansas city southern railroad today,,,, got a call from the head of the bridge dept at the shreveport office,,,,evidently, someone from higher up had forwarded one of my letters to him and told him to check into it,,, his words to me were " i think you've gotten the attention of one of the big guys",,,,, so, maybe my letter to mr. haverty, the ceo in kansas city did find its way to his desk......... > the guy i talked to today was very cordial and sounded very positive ,,,,,, he didnt know there was an engine still at that location, but said he would go to the location tomorrw and look it over,,,,,, his last words were " i really think that i;ll be able to give you a call back and tell you to come get it",,,,,,,,, From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jul 27 10:06:41 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] HMT 2004 pics In-Reply-To: <000701c47387$d3c50460$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> References: <000701c47387$d3c50460$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Hi John, WOW! Great show with some really unusual engines. That 5 hp Bauman; is that an exhaust preheater for the mixer? http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/Baumanheadview.jpg Do you by any chance have the S/N and owner's info for the Benz and Lorenz? Please email me off-list if you do, Thanks. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/Benz3-4hp.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/Lorenz5hp.jpg See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA USA fero_ah at city-net.com On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, John Hammink wrote: > Put some pictures together to see for y'all, taken at our > HMT show last weekend. It was its 25th anniversary > and they gave us a brass plaque of 5 lbs. We had good > weather overall. Pics can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/historischfestival2004.htm From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Jul 27 11:23:02 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:23:02 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Cumbria Steam Fair Message-ID: <002501c47406$cb21c3f0$06856ad5@one> We had our yearly weekend in the Lake District. One good day & one wet, cold & windy. I have posted some pictures at http://community.webshots.com/album/167571610Nkxrin I managed a few unusual pictures such as steam ploughing with an atomic reactor in the background. Also a picture of a helicopter just over a ploughing engine. Someone had made a good job of sectioning a Lister D. My wife thinks this years plaque is the best ever, weighing two pounds of brass.(See Fred picture) Dave Croft Warrington England http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv British Map http://pub32.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=2692147218 World Map http://pub13.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=1064374771 From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 27 13:58:10 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:58:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <000c01c4737b$e12f6d90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <005401c4741c$6e7c4240$240110ac@VAIO> Hey Bill I have one of these engines spotted in an old Railroad Trestle about 5 miles from me. If you have any success let me know and I will follow the same part you went. I will not do anything now as it might interfere with what you are doing. If you go after the engine let me know how you plan to do this, I am curious how you plan on getting it off of the bridge trestle. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Boyce" To: "stationary engine list" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 8:48 PM Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update after several letters and several months, i finally got a reply from kansas city southern railroad today,,,, got a call from the head of the bridge dept at the shreveport office,,,,evidently, someone from higher up had forwarded one of my letters to him and told him to check into it,,, his words to me were " i think you've gotten the attention of one of the big guys",,,,, so, maybe my letter to mr. haverty, the ceo in kansas city did find its way to his desk......... the guy i talked to today was very cordial and sounded very positive ,,,,,, he didnt know there was an engine still at that location, but said he would go to the location tomorrw and look it over,,,,,, his last words were " i really think that i;ll be able to give you a call back and tell you to come get it",,,,,,,,, so, i guess we'll see,,,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From asouth at strato.net Tue Jul 27 14:08:10 2004 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur & Deana Southwell) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:08:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <000c01c4737b$e12f6d90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <005901c4741e$92978160$0100a8c0@emachine> Good Luck Bill. Arthur Southwell asouth at strato.net Arcadia, FL From alanb2 at webtv.net Tue Jul 27 14:59:52 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:59:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Govenor weight springs In-Reply-To: "Rex Hinz" 's message of Sat, 24 Jul 2004 17:30:28 -0500 Message-ID: <28736-4106D058-513@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net> Hi Rex, I'm guessing you found some lighter springs,,,,, I try to keep a supply of them around and I take them to shows. Note to self,,, Go dig through the box of mixed springs that the hardware store sells cheap. It looks like I will be taking a 1918 1-1/2hp Hercules E to the Buckley show along with a bunch of parts and see it she will speak up after approx. 75 years of silence. I expect I will need a lighter spring for the gov. A couple years ago when I took my barn fresh 1928 Herc. S to Buckley and fired her up I just happened to have the perfect spring in the bag. My engine buddy suggested I just cut off part of the original spring. I just pulled out a bag of springs,,,,,,, Well,,, I better get off here and go start grinding on a FBM rod end-cap to make it fit the Herc's con-rod. That's tonight's project. Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan ~~~~~~Rex?Hinz wrote~~~~~ Thanks for the help Alan & Chuck , the engine is now running at a safe speed around 500 rpm and I'm less worried about things flying apart , didn't mean to ruin a chaukboard but I thought I would ask the Pro's , as I just got started in the hobby and I thought good advice is better than a poke in the dark. Rex From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Jul 27 16:15:38 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:15:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally References: <3b049f3ad202.3ad2023b049f@email.bigpond.com><004001c472ab$e37d24a0$8a63fea9@sweeper><003901c47367$190a7d00$8a63fea9@sweeper> <01f701c47377$53ef7140$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <002a01c4742f$a11688b0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Hi Dave Short answer - No. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Acknowledgement of e-mail Nat Rally > > Hi Arnie > > Sorry I did not explain it properly but if you want to hold a public > > function most counncil will want you to have $10 mill coverage and as for > > the motor vehicle third party insurance no upper sum is provided - they > > generally have a schedule for certain things like like for loss of arms, > > legs, etc however you can go to court and try and get more. Others in the > > field may be more familiar with the technicalities. As for your last > > comment the lawyers in Oz have certainly copied the US model and this has > > subsequently put pressure on the insurance companies although it is > > appearing that "personal accountability" is being recognised by the > courts. > > Ron > > Was this all after they disarmed you poor bastards? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Jul 27 15:29:59 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:29:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Cost References: <003c01c47386$80785c40$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <007001c47434$1ed4cb00$14111bd3@athlon> I really would like to see a full breakdown of these costs. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > Guys, > > Im told the national rally is going to cost $300,000 to run lets > > give > the organisers some help in bringing this cost down? > > > > Cheers, > > Adam From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Tue Jul 27 11:45:08 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:45:08 +0200 Subject: [SEL] what color? References: <006b01c47365$58386ac0$23cc7d41@jfaust> Message-ID: <004801c47409$da1d56a0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Joe, For what it's worth: I used Dupont Centari , "bottle green" number G0398. It's hard to say what's the original color, but IMO I'm not far of. You can see a few pictures at here: http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/delaval.htm I think the last picture comes close on how it looks in real. I can send you a picture if you like. Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Faust" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 1:07 AM Subject: [SEL] what color? I am in the process of restoring an ALPHA Delaval milking machine engine. Who knows what the originga color was? It seems there are traces of olive drab, but I don't want to make a mistake. Joe F _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Jul 27 17:11:26 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:11:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update In-Reply-To: <000c01c4737b$e12f6d90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> References: <000c01c4737b$e12f6d90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: WOO-HOOOO! John On Jul 26, 2004, at 9:48 PM, Bill Boyce wrote: > the guy i talked to today was very cordial and sounded very positive > ,,,,,, he didnt know there was an engine still at that location, but > said he would go to the location tomorrw and look it over,,,,,, his > last words were " i really think that i;ll be able to give you a call > back and tell you to come get it",,,,,,,,, John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 27 17:26:17 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show In-Reply-To: <072620041054.14915.13a7@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20040728002617.54997.qmail@web20224.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Curt, We really can't rope anything prior to Sunday, August 15th. There is still some stump grinding and hole filling to be done up in that area and there is at least one more trip through there with the lawn mower, probably on the 14th. Another problem is that if we start reserving or roping this soon, the land rush will be on and we really do not want that. We have had major problems with that in the past and we really have to hold firm on 1:00 pm on August 15th as the very earliest that a rope can go up. If showing up on the 15th to do the roping yourself is going to prove to be inconvenient, you are more than welcome to come up this weekend and show me where you want to set up the list area. If you show me exactly where you want it, I can be reasonably sure that you will get it. I will be heading up the gang roping off that portion of the grounds, so we could be standing there with ropes and stakes ready when the little hand is on 1 and the big one on 12! The roping is usually fun, we hook a trailer behind the little L Oil Pull and pile it full of stuff and head out and do it. There is usually a fair amount of kidding around involved and it only takes 4 or 5 hours to get it done. How many folks are we expecting from the list to be setting up in that area? I hope that Dave brings some of his maytag artwork, I know one guy who will have a coniption fit (or a sh!t hemmorage) when he sees that.... Let me know what you want to do about the roping, I will do all I can to help you but we just can't put anything up any earlier than the 15th. Joe --- cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Hi Joe, > Looks like I might beable to come up for workday and was wondering if we > could > rope off The "SEL List" turf back in the timber area as we previously > talked > last month? > Curt Andree ===== Joe Prindle Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: www.tznet.com/jprindle Our Club: www.badgersteamandgas.com See Yoo in Baraboo! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Jul 27 17:13:58 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:13:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update Message-ID: <20040727.203424.788.1.jlb94@juno.com> Good News Bill - Sounds Positive Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:48:56 -0500 "Bill Boyce" writes: > after several letters and several months, i finally got a reply from > kansas city southern railroad today,,,, got a call from the head of > the bridge dept at the shreveport office,,,,evidently, someone from > higher up had forwarded one of my letters to him and told him to > check into it,,, his words to me were " i think you've gotten the > attention of one of the big guys",,,,, so, maybe my letter to mr. > haverty, the ceo in kansas city did find its way to his > desk......... > the guy i talked to today was very cordial and sounded very positive > ,,,,,, he didnt know there was an engine still at that location, but > said he would go to the location tomorrw and look it over,,,,,, his > last words were " i really think that i;ll be able to give you a > call back and tell you to come get it",,,,,,,,, > so, i guess we'll see,,,,, > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 27 17:38:13 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:38:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040728003813.27683.qmail@web20223.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Bill, Good Luck! If there turns out to be an engine there and you can get it, you are going to have quite a story for GEM, and quite a story to tell folks when you show the engine! When someone says "What did it do?", you are going to be ready with one heck of an answer for them. Yes sir, that is a once in a lifetime opportunity and I realy hope that your string of good luck continues! Between now and the time that the phone rings, how ya gonna sleep? Joe ===== Joe Prindle Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: www.tznet.com/jprindle Our Club: www.badgersteamandgas.com See Yoo in Baraboo! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Tue Jul 27 18:04:52 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:04:52 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re: Best known name etc Message-ID: <20040728010452.46742.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> G'day All ROTFL - Kerry, I'm Buggered if I can recall what his name is as well. I do know he tries hard to please everybody, but I sure hope he doesn't get pissed off with the crap and take up lawn bowls instead! Ha Ha Ha Good one! Graham in Oz From: "Kerry" Subject: Re: [SEL] Best Known Name in Stationary Engine World? To: "The SEL email discussion list" Message-ID: <002901c4730e$ef793150$4609a4cb at km> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" G'Day Patrick As Peter said depends where you live, remember most Americans only know the world ends on the East coast on one side and the West coast on the other, no offence intended. In OZ I think the other way round now that P Knight has articles in TOMM, but you have all forgotten the one and only (thank goodness), known and loved by engine woman all over the world, unliked by his club and the NHMA, a body that no one would want, and there is more! old no knee's, model guru, world traveller. after all that I have forgotten his name 8-)) Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From canuckiron at wightman.ca Tue Jul 27 21:40:08 2004 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:40:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Pump Question Message-ID: <41072E27.77046E62@wightman.ca> Hi All, I was offered a piston pump recently. It is far bigger than the one you would find on a residential well with a flywheel that is probably 18" or so. The inlet and outlet pipes are are about 1 1/2" NPT. The unit is at least four to five feet long and built by McDougall. My question is, what kind of HP would be needed to run this thing? If I can use it at a show, fine. If not, I will take a pass on this one. Thoughts??? Thanks, Duncan -- Duncan and Sandy Denman Ayton, Ontario, Canada Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca Visit our Home Page at: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Jul 28 03:12:04 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:12:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show Message-ID: <072820041012.10698.8e6@mchsi.com> No problem Joe with not roping until 1:00 on 15th of August. I didn't know what you ment by work party this weekend. Doesn't look like much in the way of local shows this weekend so may just make a roady and helpyou where I can. Not sure about the evil one bringing his "maytag artwork" yet. Iam sure knowing that motley crew (Dave & Arnie) they will bring alot of JOY to all spectators. Not sure about how many off the list will actually be attending yet. Will keep you posted though. thanks for all your help, Curt > Hi Curt, > We really can't rope anything prior to Sunday, August 15th. There is still > some stump grinding and hole filling to be done up in that area and there > is at least one more trip through there with the lawn mower, probably on > the 14th. > Another problem is that if we start reserving or roping this soon, the > land rush will be on and we really do not want that. We have had major > problems with that in the past and we really have to hold firm on 1:00 pm > on August 15th as the very earliest that a rope can go up. > If showing up on the 15th to do the roping yourself is going to prove to > be inconvenient, you are more than welcome to come up this weekend and > show me where you want to set up the list area. If you show me exactly > where you want it, I can be reasonably sure that you will get it. I will > be heading up the gang roping off that portion of the grounds, so we could > be standing there with ropes and stakes ready when the little hand is on 1 > and the big one on 12! The roping is usually fun, we hook a trailer behind > the little L Oil Pull and pile it full of stuff and head out and do it. > There is usually a fair amount of kidding around involved and it only > takes 4 or 5 hours to get it done. > How many folks are we expecting from the list to be setting up in that > area? I hope that Dave brings some of his maytag artwork, I know one guy > who will have a coniption fit (or a sh!t hemmorage) when he sees that.... > Let me know what you want to do about the roping, I will do all I can to > help you but we just can't put anything up any earlier than the 15th. > Joe > --- cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > Looks like I might beable to come up for workday and was wondering if we > > could > > rope off The "SEL List" turf back in the timber area as we previously > > talked > > last month? > > Curt Andree > > > ===== > Joe Prindle > Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist > See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: > www.tznet.com/jprindle > Our Club: > www.badgersteamandgas.com > See Yoo in Baraboo! > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Jul 28 03:32:22 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:32:22 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show Message-ID: <072820041032.13630.3c2d@mchsi.com> Skip Landis he still wants the edwards parts...will contact you off list. Curt > curt, what ever happened to the fellow that wanted the edwards crankshaft? > skip > > cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > Looks like I might beable to come up for workday and was wondering if we could > > rope off The "SEL List" turf back in the timber area as we previously talked > > last month? > > Curt Andree > > > Hi Folks, > > > Well, things are starting to shape up for this year's badger Steam & Gas > > > Engine Club show. I think it will be a pretty good one. We are going to be > > > joined this year by the Ford/Fordson Collectors for their national show. > > > We are expecting a lot of tractors, this might just be our biggest feature > > > yet. When I heard that the feature was Ford, I asked myself just how many > > > 8N's can a guy look at without getting bored. Then I did a little research > > > and saw some photos from past shows, and I realized how wrong I was. There > > > should be a lot of really unusual variations on Ford and Fordson tractors, > > > tracklayers, half tracks, all sorts of goodies. I am really looking > > > forward to it. I hope I get a chance to get out of the shed long enough to > > > see the show. > > > We have just finished putting up a 50 by 100 foot building that will be > > > our machine shop. It won't be operational for the show, since hanging the > > > lineshaft and getting everything lined up will take a lot of time and head > > > scratching. One of our fellow list members, Jon Rowsam, is doing some > > > repair to the 20 hp Otto that we will use to run the lineshaft. Jon is a > > > good machinist and mechanic, but we don't hear much from him on the list, > > > he would rather work than talk about work! Here is pic of him working on a > > > Ruston at a show a few years > > > ago:http://badgersteamandgas.com/photos/Scan303.jpg > > > Natty dresser, ain't he. I prefer bib overalls and a goofy hat, myself. > > > The Otto should make a nice powerplant to run the shop, and it will be > > > nice to see her working. > > > Other than that, not a great deal of news. We have removed a lot of small > > > trees in the engine area. There will still be lots of shade, but a little > > > thinning was in order. They were pretty scrubby and made getting around > > > with a trailer and truck a little tight at times. One of our members, Mark > > > Beard, has been busy grinding stumps and I think that the guys who exhibit > > > up there will be pretty happy with the results. Also, we have added a > > > bunch of camping spots. All camping is primitive, but the setting is nice > > > and it is convenient. > > > The main improvements to our show grounds are things that no one will > > > really notice, new lawn care equipment, additional electrical service, > > > some maintenance on a few things. These were all things that were needed > > > and will certainly make those of us who take care of the place have an > > > easier time of it. I am working on making some major improvements to the > > > cooling system in the gas shed, adding larger pumps and changing the > > > control logic. > > > This coming Saturday, the 31st, is a work day, and we are going to be > > > doing some cleaning up and moving some junk to make for more exhibitor > > > parking. Funny, when we hauled that stuff in there it SEEMED like it was > > > out of the way! > > > During the show, I would sure welcome some help in the gas engine shed. If > > > you always wanted to play with big engines, this is your chance. The big > > > thing is that we get folks who keep an eye on them and make sure that the > > > water is flowing, there is oil in the oilers and to shut the gas off if > > > something stalls. It is a lot of fun and you get to play with something a > > > little different than what most of us are used to. Here is a link to some > > > photos of the engine shed: > > > http://badgersteamandgas.com/gas_engine_shed.htm > > > A recent addition to our website is a message board. I just put it up the > > > other night, so it hasn't seen much traffic. I am hoping it will help > > > encourage the sharing of information and answering of questions. I would > > > appreciate comments on how to improve it. > > > Here's a link: > > > http://badgersteamandgas.com/phpBB2/ > > > I am told that there will be a list area at this year's show, August 20th, > > > 21st & 22nd. Last year I got to meet Arnie, which was really great, and I > > > hope to meet more listfolk this year! > > > See ya! > > > Joe > > > > > > ===== > > > Joe Prindle > > > Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist > > > See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: > > > www.tznet.com/jprindle > > > Our Club: > > > www.badgersteamandgas.com > > > See Yoo in Baraboo! > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Jul 28 03:53:46 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:53:46 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show Message-ID: <072820041053.16800.22ce@mchsi.com> Who all will be attending Baraboo show? Trying to get a a head count so Joe Prindle and I can figure out how much turf we need to ropeoff. I also have one room left available at a local motel still available before I have to cancel the reserveration. Let me know, Curt Andree From adamcottrill at telstra.com Wed Jul 28 04:16:33 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:16:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Nat Rally Costs Message-ID: <43316343123a.43123a433163@email.bigpond.com> Hi Bill, Great suggestion and points I will be sure to pass this on to the organisers when I talk to them over the next few days well done and thanks so much for your efforts. I hope we can see some more. Reg, a media release is currently being drafted which I believe will address the issue of cost and other comments made both here on the list and other places about the National, mean while Reg your suggestions on how to offset the costs are still most welcome and I look forward to seeing them....... watch this space.... Kind regards, Adam From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jul 28 04:42:02 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:42:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Nat Rally Costs In-Reply-To: <43316343123a.43123a433163@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <200407281142.i6SBg49D095708@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi Adam, I hope there is some positive and informative news on the costs of the rally and general info on the rally. I know of a number of collectors in this part of Oz who have been looking at the distance and the cost and may only just go down for a look if they go at all. It would be sad if a lot of nice engines did not make the trip. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Bill, Great suggestion and points I will be sure to pass this on to the organisers when I talk to them over the next few days well done and thanks so much for your efforts. I hope we can see some more. Reg, a media release is currently being drafted which I believe will address the issue of cost and other comments made both here on the list and other places about the National, mean while Reg your suggestions on how to offset the costs are still most welcome and I look forward to seeing them....... watch this space.... Kind regards, Adam From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Jul 28 08:21:51 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:21:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Pump Question Message-ID: <20040728.112502.1156.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Duncan, Nice Find. With inlet & outlet being 1=" - I don't think it would take much to work it. Probably a 2 HP T/G would do well. By "Flywheel" I assume you mean "pulley". Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:40:08 -0700 Duncan Denman writes: > Hi All, > > I was offered a piston pump recently. It is far bigger than the one > you > would find on a residential well with a flywheel that is probably > 18" or > so. The inlet and outlet pipes are are about 1 1/2" NPT. The unit is > at > least four to five feet long and built by McDougall. My question > is, > what kind of HP would be needed to run this thing? If I can use it > at a > show, fine. If not, I will take a pass on this one. > Thoughts??? > > Thanks, > Duncan > > -- > Duncan and Sandy Denman > Ayton, Ontario, Canada > Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca > Visit our Home Page at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ > Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 28 08:53:40 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:53:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pump Question In-Reply-To: <20040728.112502.1156.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <012a01c474bb$1c4f4540$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Ya, a small engine will run that one. Think of it - a centrifugal pump with 2" pipes and a 1.5 hp Lauson TG will run it. Also a "mud pump" with 3" pipes and a 1.5hp Fairbanks TG will run it - granted, it's geared down, but it sure kicks out a bunch of H2O when it's on the downstroke. I'd think a common engine 1.5 to 3 hp would run that thing nicely for display - the purpose being not to move 10,000 gph but to make a nice display pumping any amount. Go for it. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 10:22 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Pump Question Hi Duncan, Nice Find. With inlet & outlet being 1=" - I don't think it would take much to work it. Probably a 2 HP T/G would do well. By "Flywheel" I assume you mean "pulley". Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:40:08 -0700 Duncan Denman writes: > Hi All, > > I was offered a piston pump recently. It is far bigger than the one > you > would find on a residential well with a flywheel that is probably > 18" or > so. The inlet and outlet pipes are are about 1 1/2" NPT. The unit is > at > least four to five feet long and built by McDougall. My question > is, > what kind of HP would be needed to run this thing? If I can use it > at a > show, fine. If not, I will take a pass on this one. > Thoughts??? > > Thanks, > Duncan > > -- > Duncan and Sandy Denman > Ayton, Ontario, Canada > Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca > Visit our Home Page at: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ > Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From christison at coastalnet.com Wed Jul 28 10:35:24 2004 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:35:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Pump Question References: <20040728.112502.1156.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <004e01c474c9$450f5de0$0100a8c0@mshome.net> Duncan, Here is a Myers catalog page showing a setup like you describe: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/myers/page25.jpg Take care. Ken > what kind of HP would be needed to run this thing? If I can use it > at a > > show, fine. If not, I will take a pass on this one. > > Thoughts??? > > > > Thanks, > > Duncan > > > > -- > > Duncan and Sandy Denman > > Ayton, Ontario, Canada > > Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Jul 28 11:40:57 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:40:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT- Bit of ebay trickery Message-ID: Posted to stationary engine/model engineering newsgroups, Oldengine.org and Atis (SEL) I post this as a warning to everyone about a clever bit of skullduggery that came our way today. Received an email, purporting to be from ebay, regarding an alleged breach of security and fraudulent use of my ebay account and user name. The email asked me to sign in and confirm my details and to fill in all the blanks on the form I would come to. So far, a pretty ordinary scam email, but the clever bit is to come: The url for signing in was the same as the normal ebay one, together with https:// at the front to show a secure signing in link. If you clicked on the link you would come to the standard ebay page with boxes for user name and password, and presumably further on it would ask you to confirm your credit card details etc etc: https://signin.ebay.com/saw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?SignIn&UsingSSL=1 The url was in fact a graphic, not straight text, and if you held the mouse pointer over it, a different url would show up, with an IP address in the far east. So if you clicked normally you wouldn't see the different address, which was: http://211.252.9.126/.secure/safeharbor.verify.ebay.com/login.php That IP is in the APNIC (Asia Pacific Network Information Centre) area, and I tracked it down to a School in South Korea. It was a very clever bit of fraud, and one that me scratching my head for a while as I waiting for ebay to confirm it was a fraudulent email, which they did within 20 minutes. I didn't go to the url, I just reported it to ebay and then starting looking at how they did the switch of url's. You have all been warned! :-)) Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Jul 28 11:55:41 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:55:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present Message-ID: Hi Everybody, I picked up two new engines a couple weeks ago at an auction near Battle Creek, Michigan. About a week before the auction I showed the listing to my wife Shirley. They happened to have an Economy 7hp on a drop frame cart with a buzz rig listed. One of Shirley's favorite engines is an Economy. She made a comment on how it would be nice to have a bigger Economy than the 5hp that we already have. I informed her of the auctioneers web site that has a picture of the buzz rig. Once she saw the picture of it she said that it really looked pretty and she wanted me to take a couple pictures of the buzz rig while I was at the auction. For the next several days, prior to the auction, I heard several times a day that the engine was a pretty engine, how much she liked Economy's, it would be neat to have a bigger one, and on and on. Every day I heard this. Not really having the room to store it and the extra money to buy it I just wrote it off and figured I'd take some pictures for her. Our tandem axle trailer that I usually haul stuff on is loaded for shows this year with a couple engines belted to a couple big blowers already all bolted down. So I just took the truck to the auction. Well, on the way to the auction I remembered her birthday was coming up in a few weeks and didn't know what to get her. The buzz rig would make a great birthday gift I figured. But no where to put it and no way to haul it home. I ended up bidding on the buzz rig and was the high bidder. I also picked up a Galloway 5hp with a round connecting rod. I had the Galloway loaded up into the truck and asked the owners about storing the Economy and buzz rig for a couple weeks until I could come back down and get it. They said they would push it into the fence row and I could cover it up. During the drive home that didn't set well with me so when I got back in town I stopped and rented a Uhaul trailer. I wanted to surprise Shirley with the buzz rig sitting in the front yard when she got home from work on her birthday, but it was a few weeks away and she would have the bank statement by then, nowhere to hide the buzz rig, and I would have to take time off of work to pick it up without her knowing. So I thought some more and this is what I did. I got home and told Shirley about the Galloway I bought and a bunch of other junk that I picked up really cheap (sometimes I do get a bunch of junk to haul to the scrapyard for trading material). Told her I got a drag, some disks, scrap iron, and a drop frame cart for the Economy (the one we already have, but I didn't say that. just a drop frame cart for the Economy). I told her that the stuff needed to be removed by this evening and wondered if she wanted to go back down there with me. She decided to go to help me load the junk because she had nothing else to do. So my daughter Brooklynn and I unloaded the Galloway then all three of us headed back down to the auction site. On the way she asked how much the buzz rig sold for and I told her that I didn't remember as there were so many engines there. I did tell her I took a few pictures though and she could see the pictures later. When we got there there weren't many people left and the tents that some of the stuff was under had the sides all closed in with tarps. I suggested looking in the tents to see what was leftover and she could maybe see a few of the nice engines that they had there to sell. There were a few tractors we were looking at and back in the corner of the tent was the buzz rig. I said, "oh look, they didn't pick up the buzz rig yet and you can atleast get to see it in person." She was so excited. She walked up to it looked it over and said, "it is so beautiful and alot better than the picture, someone got a nice engine, this is really nice." I said, "yep someone did get a nice engine, happy birthday." She paused for a few seconds and said, "WHAT?" So I said, "happy birthday." The look on her face was priceless. Saying that she was excited is an understatement. She was certainly surprised. We loaded it up and headed home. The next morning we unloaded it then headed to church. After church and lunch I had it running and she was very satisfied. I was too, it runs really nice. She doesn't want very many engines that she sees, but this is a nice one. Thought some of you would enjoy reading about it. Pictures of the engines are here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/sawrig/sawrig.html http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/galloway/galloway.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jul 28 11:50:42 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT- Bit of ebay trickery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ahhhhh, one more of the subtle benefits of using a no mouse needed, text-based email reader instead of a gooey-graphic one. 8-)) On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Peter A Forbes wrote: > I post this as a warning to everyone about a clever bit of skullduggery that > came our way today. > The url was in fact a graphic, not straight text, and if you held the mouse > pointer over it, a different url would show up, with an IP address in the far > east. So if you clicked normally you wouldn't see the different address, which > was: From solarrog at pacbell.net Wed Jul 28 12:08:00 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:08:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present References: Message-ID: <009b01c474d6$33e0a440$33687343@solar> Great story, Keep her happy, she will keep you happy. (or at least put up with you) lol Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:55 AM Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > Hi Everybody, > > I picked up two new engines a couple weeks ago at an auction near Battle > Creek, Michigan. About a week before the auction I showed the listing to my > wife Shirley. They happened to have an Economy 7hp on a drop frame cart with > a buzz rig listed. One of Shirley's favorite engines is an Economy. She > made a comment on how it would be nice to have a bigger Economy than the 5hp > that we already have. I informed her of the auctioneers web site that has a > picture of the buzz rig. Once she saw the picture of it she said that it > really looked pretty and she wanted me to take a couple pictures of the buzz > rig while I was at the auction. For the next several days, prior to the > auction, I heard several times a day that the engine was a pretty engine, > how much she liked Economy's, it would be neat to have a bigger one, and on > and on. Every day I heard this. Not really having the room to store it and > the extra money to buy it I just wrote it off and figured I'd take some > pictures for her. > > Our tandem axle trailer that I usually haul stuff on is loaded for shows > this year with a couple engines belted to a couple big blowers already all > bolted down. So I just took the truck to the auction. Well, on the way to > the auction I remembered her birthday was coming up in a few weeks and > didn't know what to get her. The buzz rig would make a great birthday gift I > figured. But no where to put it and no way to haul it home. I ended up > bidding on the buzz rig and was the high bidder. I also picked up a Galloway > 5hp with a round connecting rod. I had the Galloway loaded up into the truck > and asked the owners about storing the Economy and buzz rig for a couple > weeks until I could come back down and get it. They said they would push it > into the fence row and I could cover it up. During the drive home that > didn't set well with me so when I got back in town I stopped and rented a > Uhaul trailer. > > I wanted to surprise Shirley with the buzz rig sitting in the front yard > when she got home from work on her birthday, but it was a few weeks away and > she would have the bank statement by then, nowhere to hide the buzz rig, and > I would have to take time off of work to pick it up without her knowing. So > I thought some more and this is what I did. > > I got home and told Shirley about the Galloway I bought and a bunch of other > junk that I picked up really cheap (sometimes I do get a bunch of junk to > haul to the scrapyard for trading material). Told her I got a drag, some > disks, scrap iron, and a drop frame cart for the Economy (the one we already > have, but I didn't say that. just a drop frame cart for the Economy). I told > her that the stuff needed to be removed by this evening and wondered if she > wanted to go back down there with me. She decided to go to help me load the > junk because she had nothing else to do. So my daughter Brooklynn and I > unloaded the Galloway then all three of us headed back down to the auction > site. On the way she asked how much the buzz rig sold for and I told her > that I didn't remember as there were so many engines there. I did tell her I > took a few pictures though and she could see the pictures later. > > When we got there there weren't many people left and the tents that some of > the stuff was under had the sides all closed in with tarps. I suggested > looking in the tents to see what was leftover and she could maybe see a few > of the nice engines that they had there to sell. There were a few tractors > we were looking at and back in the corner of the tent was the buzz rig. I > said, "oh look, they didn't pick up the buzz rig yet and you can atleast get > to see it in person." She was so excited. She walked up to it looked it over > and said, "it is so beautiful and alot better than the picture, someone got > a nice engine, this is really nice." I said, "yep someone did get a nice > engine, happy birthday." She paused for a few seconds and said, "WHAT?" So I > said, "happy birthday." The look on her face was priceless. Saying that she > was excited is an understatement. She was certainly surprised. We loaded it > up and headed home. The next morning we unloaded it then headed to church. > After church and lunch I had it running and she was very satisfied. I was > too, it runs really nice. She doesn't want very many engines that she sees, > but this is a nice one. Thought some of you would enjoy reading about it. > Pictures of the engines are here: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/sawrig/sawrig.html > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/galloway/galloway.html > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > _________________________________________________________________ > Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jul 28 11:58:48 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Luke, WOW, GREAT story!! I think you should send it to Richard (with high quality pics) for consideration as a GEM article!! BTW, well done on the b'day pressie!! Between you and Dolly this might get to be a regular SEL occurrence. 8-)) On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > I said, "yep someone did get a nice > engine, happy birthday." She paused for a few seconds and said, "WHAT?" So I > said, "happy birthday." The look on her face was priceless. Saying that she > was excited is an understatement. She was certainly surprised. We loaded it > up and headed home. The next morning we unloaded it then headed to church. > After church and lunch I had it running and she was very satisfied. I was > too, it runs really nice. She doesn't want very many engines that she sees, > but this is a nice one. Thought some of you would enjoy reading about it. > Pictures of the engines are here: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/sawrig/sawrig.html From bboyce at swat.coop Wed Jul 28 12:18:59 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:18:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present References: Message-ID: <005201c474d7$bcbb5200$6401a8c0@BillyBob> what a great story, Luke !!!! good job !!! bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 1:55 PM Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > Hi Everybody, > > I picked up two new engines a couple weeks ago at an auction near Battle > Creek, Michigan. About a week before the auction I showed the listing to my > wife Shirley. They happened to have an Economy 7hp on a drop frame cart with > a buzz rig listed. One of Shirley's favorite engines is an Economy. She > made a comment on how it would be nice to have a bigger Economy than the 5hp > that we already have. I informed her of the auctioneers web site that has a > picture of the buzz rig. Once she saw the picture of it she said that it > really looked pretty and she wanted me to take a couple pictures of the buzz > rig while I was at the auction. For the next several days, prior to the > auction, I heard several times a day that the engine was a pretty engine, > how much she liked Economy's, it would be neat to have a bigger one, and on > and on. Every day I heard this. Not really having the room to store it and > the extra money to buy it I just wrote it off and figured I'd take some > pictures for her. > > Our tandem axle trailer that I usually haul stuff on is loaded for shows > this year with a couple engines belted to a couple big blowers already all > bolted down. So I just took the truck to the auction. Well, on the way to > the auction I remembered her birthday was coming up in a few weeks and > didn't know what to get her. The buzz rig would make a great birthday gift I > figured. But no where to put it and no way to haul it home. I ended up > bidding on the buzz rig and was the high bidder. I also picked up a Galloway > 5hp with a round connecting rod. I had the Galloway loaded up into the truck > and asked the owners about storing the Economy and buzz rig for a couple > weeks until I could come back down and get it. They said they would push it > into the fence row and I could cover it up. During the drive home that > didn't set well with me so when I got back in town I stopped and rented a > Uhaul trailer. > > I wanted to surprise Shirley with the buzz rig sitting in the front yard > when she got home from work on her birthday, but it was a few weeks away and > she would have the bank statement by then, nowhere to hide the buzz rig, and > I would have to take time off of work to pick it up without her knowing. So > I thought some more and this is what I did. > > I got home and told Shirley about the Galloway I bought and a bunch of other > junk that I picked up really cheap (sometimes I do get a bunch of junk to > haul to the scrapyard for trading material). Told her I got a drag, some > disks, scrap iron, and a drop frame cart for the Economy (the one we already > have, but I didn't say that. just a drop frame cart for the Economy). I told > her that the stuff needed to be removed by this evening and wondered if she > wanted to go back down there with me. She decided to go to help me load the > junk because she had nothing else to do. So my daughter Brooklynn and I > unloaded the Galloway then all three of us headed back down to the auction > site. On the way she asked how much the buzz rig sold for and I told her > that I didn't remember as there were so many engines there. I did tell her I > took a few pictures though and she could see the pictures later. > > When we got there there weren't many people left and the tents that some of > the stuff was under had the sides all closed in with tarps. I suggested > looking in the tents to see what was leftover and she could maybe see a few > of the nice engines that they had there to sell. There were a few tractors > we were looking at and back in the corner of the tent was the buzz rig. I > said, "oh look, they didn't pick up the buzz rig yet and you can atleast get > to see it in person." She was so excited. She walked up to it looked it over > and said, "it is so beautiful and alot better than the picture, someone got > a nice engine, this is really nice." I said, "yep someone did get a nice > engine, happy birthday." She paused for a few seconds and said, "WHAT?" So I > said, "happy birthday." The look on her face was priceless. Saying that she > was excited is an understatement. She was certainly surprised. We loaded it > up and headed home. The next morning we unloaded it then headed to church. > After church and lunch I had it running and she was very satisfied. I was > too, it runs really nice. She doesn't want very many engines that she sees, > but this is a nice one. Thought some of you would enjoy reading about it. > Pictures of the engines are here: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/sawrig/sawrig.html > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/galloway/galloway.html > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > _________________________________________________________________ > Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Jul 28 12:21:02 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:21:02 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT- Bit of ebay trickery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5qufg094ehtiot93jp6icj6p1fjfs4o844@4ax.com> On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:50:42 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Ahhhhh, one more of the subtle benefits of using a no mouse needed, >text-based email reader instead of a gooey-graphic one. 8-)) > >On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Peter A Forbes wrote: > >> I post this as a warning to everyone about a clever bit of skullduggery that >> came our way today. Yes indeed, although I originally first saw the email at work using the easynet web-based email service, where its HTML showed up almost normally, but viewing the source gives the game away, the first url is what does the dirty work the second url is what you see on-screen:- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ href="http://211.252.9.126/.secure/safeharbor.verify.ebay.com/login.php"> https://signin.ebay.com/saw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?SignIn&UsingSSL=1
> (To complete the verification process you must fill in all the required ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Jul 28 12:20:04 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:20:04 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT- Bit of ebay trickery Message-ID: <78.5cc86c56.2e395664@aol.com> In a message dated 7/28/2004 11:43:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, diesel at easynet.co.uk writes: It was a very clever bit of fraud, and one that me scratching my head for a while as I waiting for ebay to confirm it was a fraudulent email, which they did within 20 minutes. I didn't go to the url, I just reported it to ebay and then starting looking at how they did the switch of url's. Thanks for the heads up! Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From bboyce at swat.coop Wed Jul 28 12:25:35 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:25:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <000c01c4737b$e12f6d90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> <005401c4741c$6e7c4240$240110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <005e01c474d8$a8c1d610$6401a8c0@BillyBob> yes Paul, i have followed your bridge engine story from the beginning and wish you good luck also,,,,i;m not counting any chickens yet, as i have no final word yet from ksc,,, and also, have not priced any crane services for the job, as that will weigh heavily in the outcome,,, bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] bridge engine update > Hey Bill I have one of these engines spotted in an old Railroad Trestle > about 5 miles from me. If you have any success let me know and I will follow > the same part you went. I will not do anything now as it might interfere > with what you are doing. > > If you go after the engine let me know how you plan to do this, I am curious > how you plan on getting it off of the bridge trestle. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Boyce" > To: "stationary engine list" > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 8:48 PM > Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update > > > after several letters and several months, i finally got a reply from kansas > city southern railroad today,,,, got a call from the head of the bridge > dept at the shreveport office,,,,evidently, someone from higher up had > forwarded one of my letters to him and told him to check into it,,, his > words to me were " i think you've gotten the attention of one of the big > guys",,,,, so, maybe my letter to mr. haverty, the ceo in kansas city did > find its way to his desk......... > the guy i talked to today was very cordial and sounded very positive ,,,,,, > he didnt know there was an engine still at that location, but said he would > go to the location tomorrw and look it over,,,,,, his last words were " i > really think that i;ll be able to give you a call back and tell you to come > get it",,,,,,,,, > so, i guess we'll see,,,,, > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Jul 28 12:31:20 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:31:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:58:48 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Hi Luke, > >WOW, GREAT story!! I think you should send it to Richard (with high >quality pics) for consideration as a GEM article!! > >BTW, well done on the b'day pressie!! Between you and Dolly this might >get to be a regular SEL occurrence. 8-)) > Seems like a lot of ladies are getting hold of engines these days. We bought Rita a little Douglas flat twin petrol engine the other day, she actually said she liked it so we bought it! :-)) Too heavy to bring to Portland though.... Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bboyce at swat.coop Wed Jul 28 12:30:06 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:30:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present References: Message-ID: <007101c474d9$49ba06f0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> luke,, i agree with arnie,,,,definitely gem material !!! bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > Hi Luke, > > WOW, GREAT story!! I think you should send it to Richard (with high > quality pics) for consideration as a GEM article!! > > BTW, well done on the b'day pressie!! Between you and Dolly this might > get to be a regular SEL occurrence. 8-)) > > On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > > > I said, "yep someone did get a nice > > engine, happy birthday." She paused for a few seconds and said, "WHAT?" So I > > said, "happy birthday." The look on her face was priceless. Saying that she > > was excited is an understatement. She was certainly surprised. We loaded it > > up and headed home. The next morning we unloaded it then headed to church. > > After church and lunch I had it running and she was very satisfied. I was > > too, it runs really nice. She doesn't want very many engines that she sees, > > but this is a nice one. Thought some of you would enjoy reading about it. > > Pictures of the engines are here: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/sawrig/sawrig.html > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Jul 28 13:33:44 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:33:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present References: Message-ID: Congrats Luke!! Great story. Of course I'm kinda partial to the Gals, so big time congrats on that also. Here's what I consider a great paint scheme for a 5hp. roundrod with a sub-base. http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/138616381AmaPJX Take Care, RickinMt. PS: Actually I love'm all!!! > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/galloway/galloway.html From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Jul 28 13:44:21 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Rita's Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Peter, That's some SERIOUSLY excellent news!! Give Rita my congratulations!! Sounds like you two should plan on setting up with Jim & Dolly French at the next rally. Rita can setup her Douglas with Dolly's Baker Monitor & Maytag, and you can setup that Ruston 1ZHR Diesel of yours (including all of its interesting "college" bits) with Jim's engines. http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Ruston1ZHR/RustonMenu.htm Where all has that rascal been now? What's been the public's response to a fully equipped college engine on the rally field? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Peter A Forbes wrote: > Seems like a lot of ladies are getting hold of engines these days. We bought > Rita a little Douglas flat twin petrol engine the other day, she actually said > she liked it so we bought it! :-)) > > Too heavy to bring to Portland though.... From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Jul 28 14:38:57 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:38:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <881442B4-E0DE-11D8-9A85-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Now, that is nice! Jane and I've got an anniversary in a couple of days, Think I should buy her an engine? Or a gun? A guitar, maybe? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rexhinz at chorus.net Wed Jul 28 15:11:26 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:11:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show References: <20040726024341.6890.qmail@web20221.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002301c474f0$343b6fa0$1a86a5d8@rexhinz> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Prindle" To: Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 9:43 PM Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show > Hi Folks, > Well, things are starting to shape up for this year's badger Steam & Gas > Engine Club show. > Joe > Joe : I will be there Sat to help with the clean up , you can put me to work on anything you wish , I also will be exhibiting , only need a small area , see you Sat July 31 St Rex Hinz > ===== > Joe Prindle > Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist > See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: > www.tznet.com/jprindle > Our Club: > www.badgersteamandgas.com > See Yoo in Baraboo! > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jhcullom at adelphia.net Wed Jul 28 15:34:45 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:34:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present References: Message-ID: <00fe01c474f3$154c1880$6401a8c0@john> Hi Luke, Great story! You're right about the date on the Galloway, as far as I can figure it. Too bad it didn't come with the rotary mag. Here are a couple pics of another type of mag bracket similar to yours. I believe the same mag fit both bracket styles, but I'm not 100% sure. If someone else knows, let me know. I've been looking in my Galloway literature but can't find any pics of the brackets. http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/magbracketA.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/magbracketB.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/rotarymag.jpg John From kerogas at the-i.net Wed Jul 28 15:01:13 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:01:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update References: <000c01c4737b$e12f6d90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> <005401c4741c$6e7c4240$240110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <00a101c474f3$51f67dc0$07905841@oemcomputer> > If you go after the engine let me know how you plan to do this, I am curious > how you plan on getting it off of the bridge trestle. > Chinook and chains ! From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Jul 28 15:55:44 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:55:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present References: <881442B4-E0DE-11D8-9A85-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <000801c474f6$050f92a0$06856ad5@one> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > Now, that is nice! > Jane and I've got an anniversary in a couple of days, Think I should > buy her an engine? Or a gun? A guitar, maybe? > John Culp John, only you know your woman enough to answer the question. 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv British Map http://pub32.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=2692147218 World Map http://pub13.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=1064374771 From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Jul 28 17:13:26 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:13:26 EDT Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present Message-ID: <30.5c5ff901.2e399b26@aol.com> In a message dated 7/28/2004 6:03:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, johnculp at chartertn.net writes: << Or a gun? >> John, I once bought Millie a gun for Christmas that I wanted. It did not go over too well. You may want to eliminate the gun idea, but stick with the engine and guitar thought. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Jul 28 18:26:07 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 01:26:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present Message-ID: Hi John, How could you go wrong with a gun or an engine??? I think she'd love it. A couple years ago we picked up this engine on our anniversary. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/sattley5/5hpsattley.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: John Culp >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:38:57 -0400 > >Now, that is nice! > >Jane and I've got an anniversary in a couple of days, Think I should buy >her an engine? Or a gun? A guitar, maybe? > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Jul 28 18:33:44 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 01:33:44 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present Message-ID: Hi John, Thanks to your web pages and registry work I was able to come up with that date. I will have better pictures to share with you in the future when the restoration begins. Since there isn't a lick of paint on the entire engine I think I'll paint this one up. I wish it came with the rotary mag too, but maybe I'll come across one at a reasonable price someday. Have no idea what they even run for a functional one. Guessing $300 maybe. Thanks for the pics too. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================================= >From: "John Cullom" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:34:45 -0400 > >Hi Luke, > Great story! You're right about the date on the Galloway, as far as I >can >figure it. Too bad it didn't come with the rotary mag. Here are a couple >pics of another type of mag bracket similar to yours. I believe the same >mag >fit both bracket styles, but I'm not 100% sure. If someone else knows, let >me know. I've been looking in my Galloway literature but can't find any >pics >of the brackets. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/magbracketA.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/magbracketB.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/rotarymag.jpg > >John > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From canuckiron at wightman.ca Wed Jul 28 21:42:39 2004 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:42:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Pump Question References: <41072E27.77046E62@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <4108803F.C765B389@wightman.ca> Thanks all. Yeah Joe, I meant pulley. See what having a daughter did to me? :-) It looks almost identical to the one in Ken's picture. I think I can get it pretty cheap too and as Bill said, I am not out to compete with the local Fire Department. It is in good original shape and has the decals still on it. Lets see what we can do now. Thanks, Duncan Duncan Denman wrote: -- Duncan and Sandy Denman Ayton, Ontario, Canada Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca Visit our Home Page at: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry From ottawa at pa.net Wed Jul 28 19:02:14 2004 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:02:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present References: Message-ID: <00dc01c47510$123a3e70$f7f0cd97@HONDESKTOP> It is just an undesirable Ottawa but this was our 50th anniversary gift to ourselves, which we picked up 2 weeks ago: http://community.webshots.com/album/166043764LFftpN Helen George L. & Helen S. Myers The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Tel 717-536-3711 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 ----- Original Message ----- From: Luke Tonneberger To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present Hi John, How could you go wrong with a gun or an engine??? I think she'd love it. A couple years ago we picked up this engine on our anniversary. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/sattley5/5hpsattley.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: John Culp >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:38:57 -0400 > >Now, that is nice! > >Jane and I've got an anniversary in a couple of days, Think I should buy >her an engine? Or a gun? A guitar, maybe? > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Jul 28 20:11:58 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:11:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: <00dc01c47510$123a3e70$f7f0cd97@HONDESKTOP> References: <00dc01c47510$123a3e70$f7f0cd97@HONDESKTOP> Message-ID: <0D6232AF-E10D-11D8-A379-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Well now, that's a nice one, Helen! Congratulations on the 50th! We're just up to 26. I think I'd be wise not to get Jane an engine, gun or guitar for an anniversary present. I've always been careful not to buy her a rolling pin, but I'm pretty sure she's got one. John On Jul 28, 2004, at 10:02 PM, George/Helen Myers wrote: > It is just an undesirable Ottawa but this was our 50th anniversary > gift to ourselves, which we picked up 2 weeks ago: > http://community.webshots.com/album/166043764LFftpN John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Jul 28 21:25:10 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:25:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present References: Message-ID: <001b01c47524$0a2229a0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Luke, Great story. Wish I could get my wife interested in this. The look on her face when I bring an engine home is priceless also. About the same look she gives our grandson when he shows her the latest snake he caught. Around here it's a guy thing and I'm outnumbered most days. Happy Birthday to Shirley. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 12:55 PM Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > Hi Everybody, > > I picked up two new engines a couple weeks ago at an auction near Battle > Creek, Michigan. About a week before the auction I showed the listing to my > wife Shirley. They happened to have an Economy 7hp on a drop frame cart with > a buzz rig listed. One of Shirley's favorite engines is an Economy. She > made a comment on how it would be nice to have a bigger Economy than the 5hp > that we already have. I informed her of the auctioneers web site that has a > picture of the buzz rig. Once she saw the picture of it she said that it > really looked pretty and she wanted me to take a couple pictures of the buzz > rig while I was at the auction. For the next several days, prior to the > auction, I heard several times a day that the engine was a pretty engine, > how much she liked Economy's, it would be neat to have a bigger one, and on > and on. Every day I heard this. Not really having the room to store it and > the extra money to buy it I just wrote it off and figured I'd take some > pictures for her. > > Our tandem axle trailer that I usually haul stuff on is loaded for shows > this year with a couple engines belted to a couple big blowers already all > bolted down. So I just took the truck to the auction. Well, on the way to > the auction I remembered her birthday was coming up in a few weeks and > didn't know what to get her. The buzz rig would make a great birthday gift I > figured. But no where to put it and no way to haul it home. I ended up > bidding on the buzz rig and was the high bidder. I also picked up a Galloway > 5hp with a round connecting rod. I had the Galloway loaded up into the truck > and asked the owners about storing the Economy and buzz rig for a couple > weeks until I could come back down and get it. They said they would push it > into the fence row and I could cover it up. During the drive home that > didn't set well with me so when I got back in town I stopped and rented a > Uhaul trailer. > > I wanted to surprise Shirley with the buzz rig sitting in the front yard > when she got home from work on her birthday, but it was a few weeks away and > she would have the bank statement by then, nowhere to hide the buzz rig, and > I would have to take time off of work to pick it up without her knowing. So > I thought some more and this is what I did. > > I got home and told Shirley about the Galloway I bought and a bunch of other > junk that I picked up really cheap (sometimes I do get a bunch of junk to > haul to the scrapyard for trading material). Told her I got a drag, some > disks, scrap iron, and a drop frame cart for the Economy (the one we already > have, but I didn't say that. just a drop frame cart for the Economy). I told > her that the stuff needed to be removed by this evening and wondered if she > wanted to go back down there with me. She decided to go to help me load the > junk because she had nothing else to do. So my daughter Brooklynn and I > unloaded the Galloway then all three of us headed back down to the auction > site. On the way she asked how much the buzz rig sold for and I told her > that I didn't remember as there were so many engines there. I did tell her I > took a few pictures though and she could see the pictures later. > > When we got there there weren't many people left and the tents that some of > the stuff was under had the sides all closed in with tarps. I suggested > looking in the tents to see what was leftover and she could maybe see a few > of the nice engines that they had there to sell. There were a few tractors > we were looking at and back in the corner of the tent was the buzz rig. I > said, "oh look, they didn't pick up the buzz rig yet and you can atleast get > to see it in person." She was so excited. She walked up to it looked it over > and said, "it is so beautiful and alot better than the picture, someone got > a nice engine, this is really nice." I said, "yep someone did get a nice > engine, happy birthday." She paused for a few seconds and said, "WHAT?" So I > said, "happy birthday." The look on her face was priceless. Saying that she > was excited is an understatement. She was certainly surprised. We loaded it > up and headed home. The next morning we unloaded it then headed to church. > After church and lunch I had it running and she was very satisfied. I was > too, it runs really nice. She doesn't want very many engines that she sees, > but this is a nice one. Thought some of you would enjoy reading about it. > Pictures of the engines are here: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/sawrig/sawrig.html > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/galloway/galloway.html > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > _________________________________________________________________ > Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jul 28 21:42:43 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:42:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT (way OT!) advice on how to sell business needed References: <004401c4738c$799e4e10$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <06bb01c47526$7d04a540$0400a8c0@Dave> Hi Bill, One thing that you need to plan for is how to get food on the table after you no longer have an income from your wife's quilt shop. That, it seems to me, is the most important thing that needs to be considered! As to the value of the business, start out with the value of the inventory and then multiply it by 0.75. Add to that the replacement cost of the building. Be honest here--we all think that what we own is worth more that any buyer will! (75% of your estimate, again, is probably right unless you get a professional agent to evaluate the structure.) As to the value of the business itself, if it's only "paid it's own way" (that is, if there is no profit at the end of the year) it's not worth anything. If there has been a profit, I believe the rule of thumb is 10 times the yearly profit. Perhaps someone in business can comment on this "10 rule." In any event, good luck with the selling venture. Let us know how it goes and how you intend to put food on the table once the business is sold! Dave PS, You might want to consider carrying the mortgage yourself on a land contract. That way if the buyer defaults you get the business/building back. > Since there are so many great minds out here, thought I would ask this > group. > I know there are doctors, mechanics, judges and heaven forbid, probably even > lawyers out here. > Time to sell - wife wants to get back to normal life. > We've done this for 5.5 years and it's time to move on. > She wants to sell the quilt store. > Running it was easy compared to what it seems to take to sell. > Anyone know how to value the thing and how to go about it - or more > importantly, how to NOT go about it? > > Anyone know what SDCF and/or EBITDA cash flow are and how to get to that? > It's been successful, it's paid its own way and has survived competition and > economic downturn but we want our time back! > > So what do we do - or not do? > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa, USA > > "and tho my race was thought immune, > Themselves they did consume. > So be warned, or be mourned tomorrow" > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jul 29 02:33:30 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:33:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present References: <001b01c47524$0a2229a0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <00f901c4754f$1ff48040$76111bd3@athlon> Ah, Jeff, we have the same troubles in life! (But at least the workshop is safe) VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > Luke, > > Great story. Wish I could get my wife interested in this. The look on her > face when I bring an engine home is priceless also. About the same look she > gives our grandson when he shows her the latest snake he caught. From prepair at easynet.co.uk Thu Jul 29 03:01:24 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:01:24 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT (way OT!) advice on how to sell business needed In-Reply-To: <06bb01c47526$7d04a540$0400a8c0@Dave> References: <004401c4738c$799e4e10$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> <06bb01c47526$7d04a540$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:42:43 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Bill, > One thing that you need to plan for is how to get food on the table >after you no longer have an income from your wife's quilt shop. That, it >seems to me, is the most important thing that needs to be considered! > As to the value of the business, start out with the value of the >inventory and then multiply it by 0.75. Add to that the replacement cost of >the building. Be honest here--we all think that what we own is worth more >that any buyer will! (75% of your estimate, again, is probably right unless >you get a professional agent to evaluate the structure.) > As to the value of the business itself, if it's only "paid it's own way" >(that is, if there is no profit at the end of the year) it's not worth >anything. If there has been a profit, I believe the rule of thumb is 10 >times the yearly profit. Perhaps someone in business can comment on this "10 >rule." > In any event, good luck with the selling venture. Let us know how it >goes and how you intend to put food on the table once the business is sold! > Dave >PS, You might want to consider carrying the mortgage yourself on a land >contract. That way if the buyer defaults you get the business/building back. Serious and good advice there from Dave. I think that the considerations of post-business sale should be looming large in your thoughts, you have to eat and pay the bills as Dave says, so be careful you don't agree a sale and then spend 6 months waiting for completion and payment. What someone will pay for a running business depends very much on how they see it and what the attractions are to them, so although it may be the apple of your own eye, try and take a look from the other side of the sales counter and figure out how it looks from the consumer side. We have been working for ourselves for so long now it would be difficult to go back to a paid job, and at our ages we probably couldn't find work anyway! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From wilson at stny.rr.com Thu Jul 29 04:19:23 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:19:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom In-Reply-To: <00f901c4754f$1ff48040$76111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse engine but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose in the playroom as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. There is no doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It is brown with diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be outlined in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width like a milksnake and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - its tail is about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. The snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about 24" inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we haven't seen it since. hmm. Glenn Wilson -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Reg & Margaret Ingold Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:34 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present Ah, Jeff, we have the same troubles in life! (But at least the workshop is safe) VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > Luke, > > Great story. Wish I could get my wife interested in this. The look on her > face when I bring an engine home is priceless also. About the same look she > gives our grandson when he shows her the latest snake he caught. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jul 29 04:31:53 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 06:31:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT (way OT!) advice on how to sell business needed In-Reply-To: <06bb01c47526$7d04a540$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <01f301c4755f$aeab6eb0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> >>how to get food on the table after you no longer have an income from your wife's quilt shop<< I've now got a full time job. I start Friday, decent job, though not as good as I'm used to, the benefits will be good. That means that BOTH of us will have full time jobs and thus little time to put into the things that it takes to own a business. The building is leased from the Masonic Lodge (they are not-for-profit as far as IRS is concerned and have always kept rent LOW) It's in Valley Junction - a tourist area of West Des Moines. There has been profit in each of the 5 years we've had it. Inventory - it's packed to the gills. Inventory has grown in each of the 5 years we've had it. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:43 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT (way OT!) advice on how to sell business needed Hi Bill, One thing that you need to plan for is how to get food on the table after you no longer have an income from your wife's quilt shop. That, it seems to me, is the most important thing that needs to be considered! As to the value of the business, start out with the value of the inventory and then multiply it by 0.75. Add to that the replacement cost of the building. Be honest here--we all think that what we own is worth more that any buyer will! (75% of your estimate, again, is probably right unless you get a professional agent to evaluate the structure.) As to the value of the business itself, if it's only "paid it's own way" (that is, if there is no profit at the end of the year) it's not worth anything. If there has been a profit, I believe the rule of thumb is 10 times the yearly profit. Perhaps someone in business can comment on this "10 rule." In any event, good luck with the selling venture. Let us know how it goes and how you intend to put food on the table once the business is sold! Dave PS, You might want to consider carrying the mortgage yourself on a land contract. That way if the buyer defaults you get the business/building back. > Since there are so many great minds out here, thought I would ask this > group. I know there are doctors, mechanics, judges and heaven forbid, > probably even > lawyers out here. > Time to sell - wife wants to get back to normal life. > We've done this for 5.5 years and it's time to move on. > She wants to sell the quilt store. > Running it was easy compared to what it seems to take to sell. Anyone > know how to value the thing and how to go about it - or more > importantly, how to NOT go about it? > > Anyone know what SDCF and/or EBITDA cash flow are and how to get to > that? It's been successful, it's paid its own way and has survived > competition and > economic downturn but we want our time back! > > So what do we do - or not do? > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa, USA > > "and tho my race was thought immune, > Themselves they did consume. > So be warned, or be mourned tomorrow" > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Jul 29 07:03:37 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:03:37 +0000 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom Message-ID: <072920041403.19183.4a0f@mchsi.com> Glenn, Old farmer remedy...put some used antifreeze in a shallow pan providing you have no other pets around the playroom and Mr Snake will eventually get thristy and drink the green beverage and fall asleep.....permanently! good luck, Curt > Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found > our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. > We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse engine > but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose in the > playroom > as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. There is no > doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It is brown with > diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be outlined > in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width like a > milksnake > and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - its tail is > about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. The > snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about 24" > inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we > haven't seen it since. hmm. > Glenn Wilson > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Reg & > Margaret Ingold > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:34 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > Ah, Jeff, we have the same troubles in life! (But at least the workshop is > safe) VBG > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:25 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > > Luke, > > > > Great story. Wish I could get my wife interested in this. The look on her > > face when I bring an engine home is priceless also. About the same look > she > > gives our grandson when he shows her the latest snake he caught. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Jul 29 07:07:30 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:07:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Pump Question Message-ID: <20040729.102025.716.3.jlb94@juno.com> GET IT !!! I've always liked an engine display where the engine is doing something. Problem with water pumps - - - Getting water. Sometimes it's easier to dig a well. Good Find ! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:42:39 -0700 Duncan Denman writes: > Thanks all. Yeah Joe, I meant pulley. See what having a daughter did > to me? > :-) > It looks almost identical to the one in Ken's picture. I think I can > get it > pretty cheap too and as Bill said, I am not out to compete with the > local > Fire Department. It is in good original shape and has the decals > still on > it. > > Lets see what we can do now. > > Thanks, > Duncan > > Duncan Denman wrote: > -- > Duncan and Sandy Denman > Ayton, Ontario, Canada > Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca > Visit our Home Page at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ > Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Jul 29 07:13:55 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:13:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom Message-ID: <20040729.102025.716.4.jlb94@juno.com> Holly Cow Glenn, !!! I think if that was me - I'd HAVE to know where it is AT ALL TIMES !!! I wouldn't want to kill it (Maybe) because I feel thay're just trying to make a living but - I would make it so he doesn't want to be there. Good luck and safe hunting. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From ottawa at pa.net Thu Jul 29 07:41:27 2004 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:41:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present References: <00dc01c47510$123a3e70$f7f0cd97@HONDESKTOP> <0D6232AF-E10D-11D8-A379-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <002a01c4757a$221bbe80$8cf1cd97@HONDESKTOP> Thanks John! I really feel sorry for some of you fellows! George can honestly tell you that he has never bought and engine. He just looks at me with his lower lip quivering like the kid that wanted a candy bar. If he knows I said this I may not see another anniversary! It has been a great 50 years and we hope to stay healthy and see a few more years go by. Best advice I can give is "talk to one another and do things together as partners" also treat your spouse as your best friend, which is what he/she should be. One year I received a new broom, after that we just had the clutch replace in it! Off my soap box... Helen George L. & Helen S. Myers The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Tel 717-536-3711 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 http://community.webshots.com/user/doitnowo ----- Original Message ----- From: John Culp To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present Well now, that's a nice one, Helen! Congratulations on the 50th! We're just up to 26. I think I'd be wise not to get Jane an engine, gun or guitar for an anniversary present. I've always been careful not to buy her a rolling pin, but I'm pretty sure she's got one. John On Jul 28, 2004, at 10:02 PM, George/Helen Myers wrote: > It is just an undesirable Ottawa but this was our 50th anniversary > gift to ourselves, which we picked up 2 weeks ago: > http://community.webshots.com/album/166043764LFftpN John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Jul 29 07:59:40 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:59:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present / Magnet Recharge Message-ID: Shirley's buzz rig really isn't ready to go to a show. The Webster mag isn't able to fire the engine. It throws a spark when I trip the mag with a screwdriver on the workbench, but when it is on the engine it won't run it. I unhooked the wire from the Webster and grounded it out, then hooked up a battery and coil and it popped right off. Of course I couldn't run it long as the points are normally closed and the coil heats up after about 20 to 30 minutes. I'm thinking/hoping it just needs the magnets recharged. Does anybody know if I can get this done at Portland? Not sure if any vendors are capable of doing this out in the field in the sale area? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============================== >From: "Richard Strobel" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] Magnet Recharge >Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:50:56 -0600 > >Howdy all; > Well I can't say enough on how well my engines start after recharging >the >magnets on the Websters. The little Gal (2 1/4 hp.) was quite onry and had >to break sweat in order to get her going. Now it starts on the second >pull. >Eco was a good starter but a recharge didn't hurt her either. Will be >interesting to see what the sawrig will do, but on the table it throws a >pretty good spark. > I wouldn't have thot a hot spark compared to a weak spark would have >made >that much difference. > btw, this charger has coils made of very healthy "flat on both sides" >wire. I'm using 12vdc. > >"Happy Camper" > >RickinMt. >http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jul 29 09:10:38 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: rattlesnake in my playroom (OT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Glenn, A couple of suggestions.... Take your trusty 12 gauge and magnum loads of buckshot. Fire a couple of rounds into every spot that looks like it could harbor a snake. That should do the trick. Another option would be to take a nice fat mouse or hamster, tie a string around it's middle and tie the other end to a piece of furniture. Put a dish of mouse or hamster food and a dish of water nearby so the "bait" remains calm and happy. Wait for Mr. Snake to "take the bait". Then use the string to lead Mr. Snake back outside. I hope that helps... See ya, Arnie On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Glenn Wilson wrote: > Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found > our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. > We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse engine > but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose in the > playroom > as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. There is no > doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It is brown with > diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be outlined > in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width like a > milksnake > and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - its tail is > about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. The > snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about 24" > inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we > haven't seen it since. hmm. From EnginePaul at aol.com Thu Jul 29 09:35:09 2004 From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:35:09 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re: rattlesnake in my playroom (OT) Message-ID: <9e.106facb9.2e3a813d@aol.com> A playroom with a rattlesnake! You play rough. Or you don't like your kids. Last night, I had a lawyer in my dinning room; he left on his own when he discover that I don't have any problems that he could profit from. But not all snakes are like that. As for your snake, I've heard the antifreeze thing, supposed to work. If you can find a Marine that was stationed at Camp Pendelton; they have an annual rattlesnake hunt and should be experienced. Good luck, and be careful Paul From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Jul 29 09:48:30 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:48:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: rattlesnake in my playroom (OT) References: Message-ID: <002401c4758b$e50f36e0$4d83fb40@3rbys01> Well, Arnie, the other choice is to keep him as a 'mouser'. I understand they can be pretty effective. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 11:10 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: rattlesnake in my playroom (OT) > Hi Glenn, > > A couple of suggestions.... > > Take your trusty 12 gauge and magnum loads of buckshot. Fire a couple of > rounds into every spot that looks like it could harbor a snake. That > should do the trick. > > Another option would be to take a nice fat mouse or hamster, tie a string > around it's middle and tie the other end to a piece of furniture. Put a > dish of mouse or hamster food and a dish of water nearby so the "bait" > remains calm and happy. Wait for Mr. Snake to "take the bait". Then use > the string to lead Mr. Snake back outside. > > I hope that helps... > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Glenn Wilson wrote: > > > Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found > > our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. > > We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse engine > > but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose in the > > playroom > > as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. There is no > > doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It is brown with > > diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be outlined > > in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width like a > > milksnake > > and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - its tail is > > about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. The > > snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about 24" > > inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we > > haven't seen it since. hmm. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From shop at cccomm.net Thu Jul 29 10:08:38 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:08:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder Epoxy Message-ID: <00ed01c4758e$b0ba4620$6501a8c0@Shop> Last year there was a healthy discussion pertaining to using epoxy, like JB Weld to fill pits in cylinder walls. I have an old Hercules that is in dire need of such a fix. Details and proceedures will be appreciated. Thanks in advance Dave Ernst From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 29 10:13:54 2004 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom In-Reply-To: <072920041403.19183.4a0f@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20040729171354.17366.qmail@web14103.mail.yahoo.com> But in the meantime Glenn, I think I'd move out. Ron cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: Glenn, Old farmer remedy...put some used antifreeze in a shallow pan providing you have no other pets around the playroom and Mr Snake will eventually get thristy and drink the green beverage and fall asleep.....permanently! good luck, Curt > Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found > our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. > We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse engine > but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose in the > playroom > as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. There is no > doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It is brown with > diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be outlined > in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width like a > milksnake > and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - its tail is > about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. The > snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about 24" > inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we > haven't seen it since. hmm. > Glenn Wilson > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Reg & > Margaret Ingold > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:34 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > Ah, Jeff, we have the same troubles in life! (But at least the workshop is > safe) VBG > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:25 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > > Luke, > > > > Great story. Wish I could get my wife interested in this. The look on her > > face when I bring an engine home is priceless also. About the same look > she > > gives our grandson when he shows her the latest snake he caught. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! From kerogas at the-i.net Thu Jul 29 10:41:46 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:41:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: rattlesnake in my playroom (OT) References: Message-ID: <004901c47593$52d130a0$07905841@oemcomputer> > Another option would be to take a nice fat mouse or hamster, tie a string > around it's middle and tie the other end to a piece of furniture. Put a > dish of mouse or hamster food and a dish of water nearby so the "bait" > remains calm and happy. Wait for Mr. Snake to "take the bait". Then use > the string to lead Mr. Snake back outside. I like that idea ,BTW was that GREAT BIG FAT scorpion still in your Bessie's tool box when you tore it apart ? I was all out of tarantulas at the moment and he sorta volunteered for the duty From kerogas at the-i.net Thu Jul 29 10:55:11 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:55:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder Epoxy References: <00ed01c4758e$b0ba4620$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <008901c47595$32a0ea80$07905841@oemcomputer> Last year there was a healthy discussion pertaining to using epoxy, like JB Weld to fill pits in cylinder walls. I have an old Hercules that is in dire need of such a fix. Details and proceedures will be appreciated. >>> Pits you can do easy . Sitting forever with water on the piston , leaving a "ring around the collar " that reapir might fall off though . But no big deal if it does . Degrease , burn, , scrub , just get the cylinder oil free sandblast the pits to give em some bite . Mix up epoxy , swab into pits and use a broken piston ring with a silicone release agent to spread into bore . Release agent is not absolutely necc . Hone to fit . Tell no-one and save yourself a lecture . Just like bodywork the trick is to get it near perfect the first time and not spend all day with a bondo file , or in this case the hone . If it is pitted all the way around in a small cylinder , do one side let it set up , do the other , then hone both . You can make it up as you go and still get it right From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Jul 29 10:56:59 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:56:59 +0000 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom Message-ID: Hi Everybody, Not sure what kind of snake this is but Shirley about stepped on it while she was going out to hang up some laundry on the clothes line this past Saturday afternoon. It was about 16 inches long. After poking at it with a broom handle to get him to go on his way he sorta coiled up, raised his head, and hissed a few times. You can see him donig this in the second picture. I was able to dangle him off the broom handle and put him out in the weeds. He never did try to bite at the broom handle. Shirley watched from faaaaar away as she is very afraid of snakes. When I get time I'm going to try and see what type of snake it was. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-005s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-008s.jpg Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================== >From: "Glenn Wilson" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:19:23 -0400 > >Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found >our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. >We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse engine >but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose in the >playroom >as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. There is no >doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It is brown >with >diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be outlined >in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width like a >milksnake >and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - its tail is >about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. The >snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about 24" >inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we >haven't seen it since. hmm. >Glenn Wilson > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 29 12:06:51 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040729190651.84803.qmail@web20222.mail.yahoo.com> Is that a Hendricks rotary mag? I think I have one of those all tore apart in a box. What is the bolt pattern on your bracket? Joe --- Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi John, > > Thanks to your web pages and registry work I was able to come up with > that > date. I will have better pictures to share with you in the future when > the > restoration begins. Since there isn't a lick of paint on the entire > engine > I think I'll paint this one up. I wish it came with the rotary mag too, > but > maybe I'll come across one at a reasonable price someday. Have no idea > what > they even run for a functional one. Guessing $300 maybe. Thanks for the > > pics too. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ================================= > > >From: "John Cullom" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:34:45 -0400 > > > >Hi Luke, > > Great story! You're right about the date on the Galloway, as far as > I > >can > >figure it. Too bad it didn't come with the rotary mag. Here are a > couple > >pics of another type of mag bracket similar to yours. I believe the > same > >mag > >fit both bracket styles, but I'm not 100% sure. If someone else knows, > let > >me know. I've been looking in my Galloway literature but can't find any > > >pics > >of the brackets. > > > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/magbracketA.jpg > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/magbracketB.jpg > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/rotarymag.jpg > > > >John > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Joe Prindle Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: www.tznet.com/jprindle Our Club: www.badgersteamandgas.com See Yoo in Baraboo! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jul 29 12:03:56 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: rattlesnake in my playroom (OT) In-Reply-To: <004901c47593$52d130a0$07905841@oemcomputer> References: <004901c47593$52d130a0$07905841@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Hi Chuck, On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > I like that idea ,BTW was that GREAT BIG FAT scorpion > still in your Bessie's tool box when you tore it apart ? > I was all out of tarantulas at the moment and he sorta volunteered for the > duty Yep, he's now cast in clear plastic and sits on my dresser. BIG sucker he was too!! See ya, Arnie From curt at imc-group.com Thu Jul 29 12:16:41 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:16:41 -0400 Subject: way OT [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom References: Message-ID: <41094D19.7030804@imc-group.com> Luke, Have always enjoyed snakes and had quite a few while growing up. All the neighbors call me when they have a snake in the yard or house. I gather them up and release them to the safety of the woods. Markings like the one you pictured would scare a southerner good, immediately fearing copperhead. I did a search on snakes in your are and here is the link. http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Reserve/7416/mi.html or http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=snakes+of+michigan&page=1&offset=2&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D14fd0405d9f2c20d%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26userQuery%3Dsnakes%2Bof%2Bmichigan%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.geocities.com%252FPetsburgh%252FReserve%252F7416%252Fmi.html%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DnsBrowserRoll%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2FPetsburgh%2FReserve%2F7416%2Fmi.html Eastern Hognose snake looks familiar and the caption says they play dead when provoked. However, look at this link or the last photo! http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=snakes+of+michigan&page=1&offset=2&result_url=redir?src=websearch&requestId=14fd0405d9f2c20d&clickedItemRank=1&userQuery=snakes+of+michigan&clickedItemURN=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2FPetsburgh%2FReserve%2F7416%2Fmi.html&invocationType=-&fromPage=nsBrowserRoll&Test=1&remove_url=http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Reserve/7416/mi.html I put your picture and this picture side by side on the monitor and the marking on the head, over the eyes, and down the neck are VERY similiar. No rattle? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > Not sure what kind of snake this is but Shirley about stepped on it > while she was going out to hang up some laundry on the clothes line > this past Saturday afternoon. It was about 16 inches long. After > poking at it with a broom handle to get him to go on his way he sorta > coiled up, raised his head, and hissed a few times. You can see him > donig this in the second picture. I was able to dangle him off the > broom handle and put him out in the weeds. He never did try to bite at > the broom handle. Shirley watched from faaaaar away as she is very > afraid of snakes. When I get time I'm going to try and see what type > of snake it was. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-005s.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-008s.jpg > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > From driggars at earthlink.net Thu Jul 29 12:31:23 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:31:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom References: Message-ID: <00e601c475a2$a2e22d60$0718e204@clinton> Looks well like a rattler to me, i see em all the times around here Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:56 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom > Hi Everybody, > > Not sure what kind of snake this is but Shirley about stepped on it while > she was going out to hang up some laundry on the clothes line this past > Saturday afternoon. It was about 16 inches long. After poking at it with a > broom handle to get him to go on his way he sorta coiled up, raised his > head, and hissed a few times. You can see him donig this in the second > picture. I was able to dangle him off the broom handle and put him out in > the weeds. He never did try to bite at the broom handle. Shirley watched > from faaaaar away as she is very afraid of snakes. When I get time I'm going > to try and see what type of snake it was. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-005s.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-008s.jpg > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > ======================== > > >From: "Glenn Wilson" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom > >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:19:23 -0400 > > > >Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found > >our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. > >We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse engine > >but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose in the > >playroom > >as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. There is no > >doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It is brown > >with > >diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be outlined > >in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width like a > >milksnake > >and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - its tail is > >about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. The > >snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about 24" > >inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we > >haven't seen it since. hmm. > >Glenn Wilson > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jul 29 12:16:51 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom - OT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Luke, He sorta looks like a copperhead.... http://www.snakesandfrogs.com/scra/snakes/copperh.htm http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/wildlife/resources/wildnotes/pub373.htm Too bad you didn't get a nice closeup of the head that would show the pits. Get a lot closer next time, OK? 8-))) See ya, Arnie PS - I HOPE you gave Shirley lots of sympathy. Friend spouse encountered a five-foot black snake while hanging clothes. Made it back to the porch (~20 feet) in one great leap. My mistake was in going to check out the really cool big black snake first. 8-)) Here's a peek at one... http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/StratfordLandingES/Ecology/mpages/black_rat_snake.htm On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Not sure what kind of snake this is but Shirley about stepped on it while > she was going out to hang up some laundry on the clothes line this past > Saturday afternoon. It was about 16 inches long. After poking at it with a > broom handle to get him to go on his way he sorta coiled up, raised his > head, and hissed a few times. You can see him donig this in the second > picture. I was able to dangle him off the broom handle and put him out in > the weeds. He never did try to bite at the broom handle. Shirley watched > from faaaaar away as she is very afraid of snakes. When I get time I'm going > to try and see what type of snake it was. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-005s.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-008s.jpg From wilson at stny.rr.com Thu Jul 29 14:08:00 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:08:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom In-Reply-To: <072920041403.19183.4a0f@mchsi.com> Message-ID: We have 5 cats :(( -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of cgandree at mchsi.com Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 10:04 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom Glenn, Old farmer remedy...put some used antifreeze in a shallow pan providing you have no other pets around the playroom and Mr Snake will eventually get thristy and drink the green beverage and fall asleep.....permanently! good luck, Curt > Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found > our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. > We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse engine > but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose in the > playroom > as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. There is no > doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It is brown with > diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be outlined > in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width like a > milksnake > and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - its tail is > about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. The > snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about 24" > inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we > haven't seen it since. hmm. > Glenn Wilson > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Reg & > Margaret Ingold > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:34 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > Ah, Jeff, we have the same troubles in life! (But at least the workshop is > safe) VBG > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:25 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > > Luke, > > > > Great story. Wish I could get my wife interested in this. The look on her > > face when I bring an engine home is priceless also. About the same look > she > > gives our grandson when he shows her the latest snake he caught. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jul 29 04:23:45 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:23:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Nat Rally Costs References: <43316343123a.43123a433163@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <000201c475b4$789350e0$170d1bd3@athlon> Hey adam, go ahead with your little digs but, Just bear in mind that I and others made known our feelings about the prices being charged. That was the original statement. That pricing policy was the only content of the letter I sent to the club holding the event. THEY are the ones holding the event, not me! It is not my place to take over the planning. All the later mail was an expansion of the feelings of list members.That is what the list is about. I hope the organisers can accept our views better than you. If the prices remain high. single admission, etc. then the following will happen. Exhibitor attendance will be down. Less exhibitors will go to the meal. There will not be the spirit of enjoyment that could and should be at an event like this. That is and was all I intended to point out. As far as I am concerned, the subject is closed as further sniping is totally non productive. But, If things are left as they are, I will not be making the trip with a van load of models. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 9:16 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: Nat Rally Costs > > Hi Bill, > Great suggestion and points I will be sure to pass this on to the organisers when I talk to them over the next few days well done and thanks so much for your efforts. I hope we can see some more. > > Reg, a media release is currently being drafted which I believe will address the issue of cost and other comments made both here on the list and other places about the National, mean while Reg your suggestions on how to offset the costs are still most welcome and I look forward to seeing them....... watch this space.... > > Kind regards, > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From EnginePaul at aol.com Thu Jul 29 14:36:16 2004 From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:36:16 EDT Subject: way OT [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom Message-ID: Rattle snakes don't always have rattles; but they do have the venom. The younger ones are the deadliest. Do some on-line research. AND be careful. Paul From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Jul 29 15:33:03 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:33:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4160AB28-E1AF-11D8-BFFE-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Good cats will team up and kill a rattlesnake. We had cats in Alabama that would do it. One cat would sneak up behind and grab its head while others out front kept it distracted. John On Jul 29, 2004, at 5:08 PM, Glenn Wilson wrote: > We have 5 cats :(( John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Jul 29 15:38:29 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:38:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present In-Reply-To: <00dc01c47510$123a3e70$f7f0cd97@HONDESKTOP> References: <00dc01c47510$123a3e70$f7f0cd97@HONDESKTOP> Message-ID: <037F8A93-E1B0-11D8-BFFE-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Rather than an engine, gun or guitar I got her a cool little bonsai tree, which she likes. Meanwhile, I'm going to grab my Mosin and head for the range before it's too dark. If I'm going to get a little action going, it's going to be bolt action. John From Za3Sh at aol.com Thu Jul 29 16:20:57 2004 From: Za3Sh at aol.com (Za3Sh at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:20:57 EDT Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Moved to Museum!!! Message-ID: <7a.5d4bf91e.2e3ae059@aol.com> Yesterday two 50 ton hydraulic cranes and four semi trucks from Grim's Crane service arrived at the plate mill building at V&M Star Steel in Girard, OH to begin loading out parts of the Tod Engine for shipment to the future Tod Engine Museum site. By the end of the day one of the flywheel halves was on a trailer and the LP bedplate was ready to lift. Today we successfully moved both halves of the flywheel, low pressure bedplate and LP soleplate to the Tod Engine Museum site. The LP bedplate and sole plate were placed into position on the concrete, and one flywheel half was placed into the pit. A total of 239,000 lbs. of engien parts were moved in a convoy this afternoon. Tommorrow we will complete this phase of the project by unloading the remaining flywheel half and doing some fine adjustments on the locations of the bedplate, to assure that they will line up with the crank and flywheel when the remainder of the engine is assembled. We had full media coverage for the move. All three local TV network affiliates had newscrews for interviews, the Youngstown Vindicator sent a reporter as well as the local Business Journal. Mr. David Tod, one of our past benefactors, also was on hand to view the work in progress. The Tod Family is still quite interested in the project, and the son of William Tod, of whose company built our engine, will be in town and I plan to give him a personal tour of the engine and grounds. After tommorrow's work the riggers will return in about a week to move and set the low pressure cylinder. After that is completed the only parts that will remain at V&M Star Steel will be the high pressure bedplate, cylinder and crankshaft. These parts will move early next year. Photos of today's work is on the webshots site at http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine For the remainder of the year the Tod Engine Foundation will focus on filling in and constructing the concrete pad for the high pressure side of the engine, and cleaning and painting the parts that are at the museum site. These last two days have certainly been good ones for us! Thanks to everyone on the SEL wrecking crew whose work eight years ago dismantling this engine made today's success possible!!! Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Foundation Youngstown, OH www.todengine.org From solarrog at pacbell.net Thu Jul 29 17:49:55 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:49:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom References: Message-ID: <050401c475cf$2229eeb0$e2687343@solar> I suspect you knew he was a rattler. They dont like to be messed with much. Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom > Hi Everybody, > > Not sure what kind of snake this is but Shirley about stepped on it while > she was going out to hang up some laundry on the clothes line this past > Saturday afternoon. It was about 16 inches long. After poking at it with a > broom handle to get him to go on his way he sorta coiled up, raised his > head, and hissed a few times. You can see him donig this in the second > picture. I was able to dangle him off the broom handle and put him out in > the weeds. He never did try to bite at the broom handle. Shirley watched > from faaaaar away as she is very afraid of snakes. When I get time I'm going > to try and see what type of snake it was. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-005s.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-008s.jpg > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > ======================== > > >From: "Glenn Wilson" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom > >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:19:23 -0400 > > > >Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found > >our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. > >We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse engine > >but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose in the > >playroom > >as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. There is no > >doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It is brown > >with > >diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be outlined > >in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width like a > >milksnake > >and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - its tail is > >about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. The > >snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about 24" > >inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we > >haven't seen it since. hmm. > >Glenn Wilson > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Jul 29 17:57:44 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:57:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom References: Message-ID: <002401c475d0$39d11e70$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Glen, My grandson came up with the perfect solution when I mentioned your snake. He wants it. All you have to do is catch it and ship it to Colorado. :) Great idea, but I had to say no. Didn't even ask Grandma. I know her answer. Here are a couple links on timber rattlers: http://www.mpm.edu/collect/vertzo/herp/timber/factshe1.html http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/land/er/factsheets/herps/timber.htm Seems their numbers are declining and they are protected in some states, so if you kill it, keep your mouth shut. The second link has how to catch it, and what to do if you want to keep it alive. Hotline number included. Personally any venomous snake in or near my house would meet buckshot or a shovel. Now I will have to ask how this rope got in your playroom in the first place. Perhaps a gift from one of your cats? They do love to share with us when they catch something. In closing I will tell you all I'm on the way to my first engine show tomorrow night. I've been to festivals and fairs that had engines, and that is where my love for hit and miss begin many years ago. This will be my first show billed as an engine show. The short one and I will drive to Goodland, KS and spend the night tomorrow. On Saturday morning we'll drive the few miles to Bird City, KS to attend the show for most of the day, and then drive back home. It ain't Portland or Cool Springs, or any of the other big ones, but I'm excited. Hope to have lots of pictures to share next week. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:19 AM Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom > Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found > our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. > We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse engine > but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose in the > playroom > as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. There is no > doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It is brown with > diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be outlined > in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width like a > milksnake > and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - its tail is > about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. The > snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about 24" > inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we > haven't seen it since. hmm. > Glenn Wilson > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Reg & > Margaret Ingold > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:34 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > Ah, Jeff, we have the same troubles in life! (But at least the workshop is > safe) VBG > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:25 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > > Luke, > > > > Great story. Wish I could get my wife interested in this. The look on her > > face when I bring an engine home is priceless also. About the same look > she > > gives our grandson when he shows her the latest snake he caught. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Jul 29 19:15:34 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:15:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom References: Message-ID: <07b201c475db$18b92150$0400a8c0@Dave> > Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found > our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. > Glenn Wilson Hi Glenn, For goodness sake, don't be such a WOSS! A 24" timber rattler is just a baby. He is more afraid of you than you are of him! The little guy is just playing with you. Contact me off List and I'll tell you about some games that he might like. Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Jul 29 19:27:14 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:27:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom References: Message-ID: <004e01c475dc$ba28fdc0$0400a8c0@Dave> The anti-freeze will work well on them as well. Dave PS, Did you know that the more times you run over a cat the flatter it gets? > We have 5 cats :(( > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > cgandree at mchsi.com > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 10:04 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom > > > Glenn, > Old farmer remedy...put some used antifreeze in a shallow pan providing you > have no other pets around the playroom and Mr Snake will eventually get > thristy and drink the green beverage and fall asleep.....permanently! > good luck, > Curt > > Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found > > our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. > > We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse engine > > but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose in the > > playroom > > as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. There is no > > doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It is brown > with > > diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be outlined > > in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width like a > > milksnake > > and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - its tail > is > > about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. The > > snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about 24" > > inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we > > haven't seen it since. hmm. > > Glenn Wilson > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Reg & > > Margaret Ingold > > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:34 AM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > > > > Ah, Jeff, we have the same troubles in life! (But at least the workshop > is > > safe) VBG > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jeff Allen" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:25 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > > > > > Luke, > > > > > > Great story. Wish I could get my wife interested in this. The look on > her > > > face when I bring an engine home is priceless also. About the same look > > she > > > gives our grandson when he shows her the latest snake he caught. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Jul 29 19:50:55 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:50:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom References: <07b201c475db$18b92150$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <000f01c475e0$0a5c1ef0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Very rude Dave There may be others that would like to know the games to play with rattlers. Why would you keep it off list? Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom > > Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found > > our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. > > Glenn Wilson > Hi Glenn, > For goodness sake, don't be such a WOSS! A 24" timber rattler is just a > baby. He is more afraid of you than you are of him! The little guy is just > playing with you. Contact me off List and I'll tell you about some games > that he might like. > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Jul 29 19:50:30 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:50:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom Message-ID: <20040729.225828.808.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hey Luke - Don't know and don't want to find out. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease - \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it. " (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Jul 29 19:57:45 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:57:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Moved to Museum!!! References: <7a.5d4bf91e.2e3ae059@aol.com> Message-ID: <00b101c475e1$005a3620$0400a8c0@Dave> > Photos of today's work is on the webshots site at > http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine > These last two days have certainly been good ones for us! Thanks to everyone > on the SEL wrecking crew whose work eight years ago dismantling this engine > made today's success possible!!! > Rick Rowlands Thanks for the memories Rick--and keep up the good work! Dave From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Jul 29 20:06:22 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:06:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT (way OT!) advice on how to sell business needed References: <01f301c4755f$aeab6eb0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <002101c475e2$3204f1a0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Bill, You are in a tough position not owning the building. I had a buddy try to sell his business some years ago and he was in a similar situation. He didn't own the building. The deal fell through because the owner would not lease to a buyer at the same rate. If the Masonic Lodge will agree to commit the same rate to a buyer you are in good shape. If not you have an inventory to sell off. Your low rent rate is part of your profit and any buyer will look at that. The "blue sky" won't fly if the business has to move to another location. You have an established customer base at an established location and that is your selling point if it works out. Best of luck. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:31 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] OT (way OT!) advice on how to sell business needed > >>how to get food on the table after you no longer have an income from your > wife's quilt shop<< > > I've now got a full time job. I start Friday, decent job, though not as good > as I'm used to, the benefits will be good. > That means that BOTH of us will have full time jobs and thus little time to > put into the things that it takes to own a business. > > The building is leased from the Masonic Lodge (they are not-for-profit as > far as IRS is concerned and have always kept rent LOW) > It's in Valley Junction - a tourist area of West Des Moines. > > There has been profit in each of the 5 years we've had it. > Inventory - it's packed to the gills. Inventory has grown in each of the 5 > years we've had it. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:43 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT (way OT!) advice on how to sell business needed > > > Hi Bill, > One thing that you need to plan for is how to get food on the table > after you no longer have an income from your wife's quilt shop. That, it > seems to me, is the most important thing that needs to be considered! > As to the value of the business, start out with the value of the > inventory and then multiply it by 0.75. Add to that the replacement cost of > the building. Be honest here--we all think that what we own is worth more > that any buyer will! (75% of your estimate, again, is probably right unless > you get a professional agent to evaluate the structure.) > As to the value of the business itself, if it's only "paid it's own way" > (that is, if there is no profit at the end of the year) it's not worth > anything. If there has been a profit, I believe the rule of thumb is 10 > times the yearly profit. Perhaps someone in business can comment on this "10 > rule." > In any event, good luck with the selling venture. Let us know how it > goes and how you intend to put food on the table once the business is sold! > Dave > PS, You might want to consider carrying the mortgage yourself on a land > contract. That way if the buyer defaults you get the business/building back. > > > Since there are so many great minds out here, thought I would ask this > > group. I know there are doctors, mechanics, judges and heaven forbid, > > probably > even > > lawyers out here. > > Time to sell - wife wants to get back to normal life. > > We've done this for 5.5 years and it's time to move on. > > She wants to sell the quilt store. > > Running it was easy compared to what it seems to take to sell. Anyone > > know how to value the thing and how to go about it - or more > > importantly, how to NOT go about it? > > > > Anyone know what SDCF and/or EBITDA cash flow are and how to get to > > that? It's been successful, it's paid its own way and has survived > > competition > and > > economic downturn but we want our time back! > > > > So what do we do - or not do? > > > > Bill > > Runnells, Iowa, USA > > > > "and tho my race was thought immune, > > Themselves they did consume. > > So be warned, or be mourned tomorrow" > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From maytag_eradication_initiative at yahoo.com Thu Jul 29 20:48:24 2004 From: maytag_eradication_initiative at yahoo.com (Hugh Jorgan) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom In-Reply-To: <050401c475cf$2229eeb0$e2687343@solar> Message-ID: <20040730034824.91145.qmail@web50307.mail.yahoo.com> Hey there Winslow, Better get it out of the "playroom" before it gets really hungry. They can get really agressive when they are hungry. You need to draw him out by offering him some sort of food. Snakes like rodents. A gerbil will do. Drop your pants, bend over and he will be able to smell gerbil. When he comes out of hiding, run for the door, let him follow you and then run back in and shut the door. Obviously, this wouldn't work for some folks, but anyone who has a "playroom" obviously is into something a little different from the hetero world. You could call the cops and let them deal with it. Who knows, maybe you will get lucky and get the cop that used to be in the Village People. Wouldn't that just be dreamy! Good Luck, Hugh Jorgan Maytag Eradication Initiative > > > > >From: "Glenn Wilson" > > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > > > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > >Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom > > >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:19:23 -0400 > > > > > >Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we > just found > > >our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our > playroom. > > >We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse > engine > > >but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose > in the > > >playroom > > >as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. > There is no > > >doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It > is brown > > >with > > >diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be > outlined > > >in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width > like a > > >milksnake > > >and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - > its tail > is > > >about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. > The > > >snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about > 24" > > >inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and > we > > >haven't seen it since. hmm. > > >Glenn Wilson > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - > it's FREE! > > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From wilson at stny.rr.com Thu Jul 29 21:53:12 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:53:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom In-Reply-To: <002401c475d0$39d11e70$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: I do NOT know how this snake came here... We are right on the edge of its range. One thing I can tell you is that 2 trailers came up from AR where AR is right in the middle of its range..... One trailer had the 60HP engine on it and it could easily have hidden inside it. The other trailer - same deal with the exhaust pipe etc... -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Allen Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 8:58 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom Glen, My grandson came up with the perfect solution when I mentioned your snake. He wants it. All you have to do is catch it and ship it to Colorado. :) Great idea, but I had to say no. Didn't even ask Grandma. I know her answer. Here are a couple links on timber rattlers: http://www.mpm.edu/collect/vertzo/herp/timber/factshe1.html http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/land/er/factsheets/herps/timber.htm Seems their numbers are declining and they are protected in some states, so if you kill it, keep your mouth shut. The second link has how to catch it, and what to do if you want to keep it alive. Hotline number included. Personally any venomous snake in or near my house would meet buckshot or a shovel. Now I will have to ask how this rope got in your playroom in the first place. Perhaps a gift from one of your cats? They do love to share with us when they catch something. In closing I will tell you all I'm on the way to my first engine show tomorrow night. I've been to festivals and fairs that had engines, and that is where my love for hit and miss begin many years ago. This will be my first show billed as an engine show. The short one and I will drive to Goodland, KS and spend the night tomorrow. On Saturday morning we'll drive the few miles to Bird City, KS to attend the show for most of the day, and then drive back home. It ain't Portland or Cool Springs, or any of the other big ones, but I'm excited. Hope to have lots of pictures to share next week. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:19 AM Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom > Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found > our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. > We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse engine > but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose in the > playroom > as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. There is no > doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It is brown with > diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be outlined > in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width like a > milksnake > and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - its tail is > about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. The > snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about 24" > inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we > haven't seen it since. hmm. > Glenn Wilson > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Reg & > Margaret Ingold > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:34 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > Ah, Jeff, we have the same troubles in life! (But at least the workshop is > safe) VBG > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:25 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > > Luke, > > > > Great story. Wish I could get my wife interested in this. The look on her > > face when I bring an engine home is priceless also. About the same look > she > > gives our grandson when he shows her the latest snake he caught. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wilson at stny.rr.com Thu Jul 29 21:57:02 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:57:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom In-Reply-To: <20040730034824.91145.qmail@web50307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: my "playroom" started out containing a pool table and ping pong table on top of it. It now contains 45 antique fans, stacks and stacks of test equipment, 500 music CDs, a computer, books, 30,000 key blanks and several key machines, machining tools in a gerstner tool box etc etc etc etc - a grown up guy's "playroom" now :) Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Hugh Jorgan Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 11:48 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom Hey there Winslow, Better get it out of the "playroom" before it gets really hungry. They can get really agressive when they are hungry. You need to draw him out by offering him some sort of food. Snakes like rodents. A gerbil will do. Drop your pants, bend over and he will be able to smell gerbil. When he comes out of hiding, run for the door, let him follow you and then run back in and shut the door. Obviously, this wouldn't work for some folks, but anyone who has a "playroom" obviously is into something a little different from the hetero world. You could call the cops and let them deal with it. Who knows, maybe you will get lucky and get the cop that used to be in the Village People. Wouldn't that just be dreamy! Good Luck, Hugh Jorgan Maytag Eradication Initiative > > > > >From: "Glenn Wilson" > > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > > > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > >Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom > > >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:19:23 -0400 > > > > > >Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we > just found > > >our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our > playroom. > > >We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse > engine > > >but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose > in the > > >playroom > > >as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. > There is no > > >doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It > is brown > > >with > > >diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be > outlined > > >in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width > like a > > >milksnake > > >and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - > its tail > is > > >about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. > The > > >snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about > 24" > > >inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and > we > > >haven't seen it since. hmm. > > >Glenn Wilson > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - > it's FREE! > > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jul 29 15:58:15 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:58:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder Epoxy References: <00ed01c4758e$b0ba4620$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <010901c47611$7dd8d360$170d1bd3@athlon> The New Eay I did over 10 years back is still going ok. A light sandblast of the areas, filled with Belzona and wiped with a piston ring did the job. Not as good as a sleeve but a lot cheaper for an engine that only runs now and then at a show. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "Engine List" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 3:08 AM Subject: [SEL] Cylinder Epoxy Last year there was a healthy discussion pertaining to using epoxy, like JB Weld to fill pits in cylinder walls. I have an old Hercules that is in dire need of such a fix. Details and proceedures will be appreciated. Thanks in advance Dave Ernst _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jul 29 15:53:43 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:53:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present / Magnet Recharge References: Message-ID: <010801c47611$7d295980$170d1bd3@athlon> I am sure Bill Loupolis has his gear at Portland. Say hi to them all there for me mate. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 12:59 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present / Magnet Recharge > Shirley's buzz rig really isn't ready to go to a show. The Webster mag isn't > able to fire the engine. It throws a spark when I trip the mag with a > screwdriver on the workbench, but when it is on the engine it won't run it. > I unhooked the wire from the Webster and grounded it out, then hooked up a > battery and coil and it popped right off. Of course I couldn't run it long > as the points are normally closed and the coil heats up after about 20 to 30 > minutes. I'm thinking/hoping it just needs the magnets recharged. Does > anybody know if I can get this done at Portland? Not sure if any vendors are > capable of doing this out in the field in the sale area? > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ============================== > > >From: "Richard Strobel" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "SEL email discussion list" > >Subject: [SEL] Magnet Recharge > >Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:50:56 -0600 > > > >Howdy all; > > Well I can't say enough on how well my engines start after recharging > >the > >magnets on the Websters. The little Gal (2 1/4 hp.) was quite onry and had > >to break sweat in order to get her going. Now it starts on the second > >pull. > >Eco was a good starter but a recharge didn't hurt her either. Will be > >interesting to see what the sawrig will do, but on the table it throws a > >pretty good spark. > > I wouldn't have thot a hot spark compared to a weak spark would have > >made > >that much difference. > > btw, this charger has coils made of very healthy "flat on both sides" > >wire. I'm using 12vdc. > > > >"Happy Camper" > > > >RickinMt. > >http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Jul 30 04:08:03 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:08:03 +0000 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom - OT Message-ID: I suggested to her that I pin down the head and pick him up. She wasn't too fond of that idea. I wasn't either once I could hear it hissing at me. So I told her to go and get my camera while I was poking at it. Not much sympathy from me. That's funny you mentioned the black snake, a couple years ago we saw one next to our wood pile. It must have been 5 feet long and it was FAST! That one gave me the willies. I found a picture of a Milk Snake that looks similar. http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/resources/ummz_herpetology/05.herp.jpg Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========================== >From: Arnie Fero >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: RE: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom - OT >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:16:51 -0400 (EDT) > >Hi Luke, > >He sorta looks like a copperhead.... >http://www.snakesandfrogs.com/scra/snakes/copperh.htm >http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/wildlife/resources/wildnotes/pub373.htm > >Too bad you didn't get a nice closeup of the head that would show the >pits. Get a lot closer next time, OK? 8-))) > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - I HOPE you gave Shirley lots of sympathy. Friend spouse encountered >a five-foot black snake while hanging clothes. Made it back to the porch >(~20 feet) in one great leap. My mistake was in going to check out the >really cool big black snake first. 8-)) Here's a peek at one... >http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/StratfordLandingES/Ecology/mpages/black_rat_snake.htm > _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From cgandree at mchsi.com Fri Jul 30 04:12:29 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:12:29 +0000 Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom Message-ID: <073020041112.3786.4abb@mchsi.com> Yup Glenn, we ve got five cats too, thats why I cautioned the use of antifreeze. The Old Farmer who told me the antifreeze trick used this sure kill method for rats and coons in his barn. Personally I have used it for rats in my engine shed with great success but the cats can not get in there. Curt > We have 5 cats :(( > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of > cgandree at mchsi.com > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 10:04 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom > > > Glenn, > Old farmer remedy...put some used antifreeze in a shallow pan providing you > have no other pets around the playroom and Mr Snake will eventually get > thristy and drink the green beverage and fall asleep.....permanently! > good luck, > Curt > > Talk about snakes and buzzing..... I live in upstate NY and we just found > > our FIRST ever Timber Rattlesnake (we belive it is) in our playroom. > > We think it may have come north in the 60HP Fairbanks Morse engine > > but have no way to know anything for sure... it is still loose in the > > playroom > > as I wasn't ready to catch it the first time it showed up. There is no > > doubt in my mind how well it rattles! It is loud and clear. It is brown > with > > diamond patterns all over its body but they didn't seem to be outlined > > in white like a diamond rattler. Its head looks normal width like a > > milksnake > > and its tail didn't have the characteristic segmented rattler - its tail > is > > about 2" long and hard and pointed and dark brown to dark red. The > > snake is a good 1" in diameter or maybe a little more and about 24" > > inches long. We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we > > haven't seen it since. hmm. > > Glenn Wilson > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Reg & > > Margaret Ingold > > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:34 AM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > > > > Ah, Jeff, we have the same troubles in life! (But at least the workshop > is > > safe) VBG > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jeff Allen" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:25 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Buzzrig Birthday Present > > > > > > > Luke, > > > > > > Great story. Wish I could get my wife interested in this. The look on > her > > > face when I bring an engine home is priceless also. About the same look > > she > > > gives our grandson when he shows her the latest snake he caught. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Jul 30 04:28:57 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:28:57 +0000 Subject: way OT [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom Message-ID: Hey Curt, you found it! It was the hog nose. When I put him down in the weeds he rolled over belly up. I thought I killed it but know I didn't do any harm. I rolled him top side up and he immediately rolled back over belly up. I knew if he was dead he couldn't roll himself over. I went in to get Brooklynn and when we came back it was gone. We had a skunk going through the back yard later that evening. Shirley hollered that we have a friend in the back yard. I saw the skunk back there and grabbed the camera and headed out to see how close I could get with out him wheeling around backwards to spray me. I know how close to get but that's a story for another time. I can have Shirley tell you all about that at Portland! http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/skunk1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/skunk2.jpg Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =============================== >From: Curt Holland >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: way OT [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:16:41 -0400 > >Luke, >Have always enjoyed snakes and had quite a few while growing up. All the >neighbors call me when they have a snake in the yard or house. I gather >them up and release them to the safety of the woods. >Markings like the one you pictured would scare a southerner good, >immediately fearing copperhead. >I did a search on snakes in your are and here is the link. >http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Reserve/7416/mi.html or >http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=snakes+of+michigan&page=1&offset=2&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D14fd0405d9f2c20d%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26userQuery%3Dsnakes%2Bof%2Bmichigan%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.geocities.com%252FPetsburgh%252FReserve%252F7416%252Fmi.html%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DnsBrowserRoll%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2FPetsburgh%2FReserve%2F7416%2Fmi.html >Eastern Hognose snake looks familiar and the caption says they play dead >when provoked. >However, look at this link or the last photo! >http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=snakes+of+michigan&page=1&offset=2&result_url=redir?src=websearch&requestId=14fd0405d9f2c20d&clickedItemRank=1&userQuery=snakes+of+michigan&clickedItemURN=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2FPetsburgh%2FReserve%2F7416%2Fmi.html&invocationType=-&fromPage=nsBrowserRoll&Test=1&remove_url=http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Reserve/7416/mi.html > >I put your picture and this picture side by side on the monitor and the >marking on the head, over the eyes, and down the neck are VERY similiar. No >rattle? >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > >Luke Tonneberger wrote: > >>Hi Everybody, >> >>Not sure what kind of snake this is but Shirley about stepped on it while >>she was going out to hang up some laundry on the clothes line this past >>Saturday afternoon. It was about 16 inches long. After poking at it with a >>broom handle to get him to go on his way he sorta coiled up, raised his >>head, and hissed a few times. You can see him donig this in the second >>picture. I was able to dangle him off the broom handle and put him out in >>the weeds. He never did try to bite at the broom handle. Shirley watched >>from faaaaar away as she is very afraid of snakes. When I get time I'm >>going to try and see what type of snake it was. >> >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-005s.jpg >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-008s.jpg >> >>Luke Tonneberger >>Rockford, Michigan >>USA _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From adamcottrill at telstra.com Fri Jul 30 04:28:21 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:28:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] National Rally Cost Message-ID: <47b70f479851.47985147b70f@email.bigpond.com> Hey Reg, if you think im personally attacking you with little digs, im sorry but that is not my intention and in my opinion is not the case. In my view since YOU started the thread on the list about cost, of which I agreed with you several times is 100% correct it seemed logical to me you would be the point of call to response since you seem to represent those with the same opinion. The point im trying to make is you found a problem and said something about of which several times I congratulated you for doing so. However that being said since you are so passionate about the National provide some solutions on how the organisers could cut costs. If you are lost for ideas or suggestions please say so no one will knock you for not knowing. The information I gave you in the last email was exactly that "for your information" which means Reg people have been taking your (and the other comments) thoughts seriously and are trying to work out ways to address them in the best possible way and in turn are asking for outside help........ yours and everyone elses on the list! Please explain the problem of this to me? I share your views Reg lower cost benefits us all, however im not throwing my hands up in the air and putting it in the to hard basket, im trying to be proactive and make this rally the best it can be something im sure you will agree would be in every exhibitors best interest. Of trying I am guilty 100%, and I accept your remarks about me personally however as you so kindly mentioned we are no here to snip each other but to help make this hobby continue and be great for everyone involved and in that interest I again welcome 100% your input and comment to the National and anything else in regards to the hobby you may feel about and congratulate you on your courage in doing what you have so far, the hobby and directlty the National Im sure will be better because of it. So without insult, offence or anything else please anyone who may have some suggestions about reducing the costs of the National please voice them for the points mentioned above. Kind regards, Adam From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jul 30 05:24:35 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom (OT) In-Reply-To: <4160AB28-E1AF-11D8-BFFE-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> References: <4160AB28-E1AF-11D8-BFFE-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: And, as the cats could tell you, don't forget that rattlesnake tastes like chicken. 8-)) On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, John Culp wrote: > Good cats will team up and kill a rattlesnake. We had cats in Alabama > that would do it. One cat would sneak up behind and grab its head while > others out front kept it distracted. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jul 30 06:05:23 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] National Rally Cost In-Reply-To: <47b70f479851.47985147b70f@email.bigpond.com> References: <47b70f479851.47985147b70f@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: Hi Adam, On Fri, 30 Jul 2004, Adam Cottrill wrote: > So without insult, offence or anything else please anyone who may have > some suggestions about reducing the costs of the National please voice > them for the points mentioned above. The talent on the list is pretty diverse. I think the thing that would be the most useful in eliciting specific recommendations for cost reduction would be to see a detailed budget for the upcoming national. ISTR $300,000 to put the event on? Also useful would be the detailed actuals from the last two nationals. That would provide some "meat" to chew on. Otherwise, you've already gotten a number of good general suggestions and a strong suggestion to talk to the good folks who put on the Portland show each year. Portland is a MUCH bigger affair than the National in Oz. I have no idea what their budget is, but the event is free to exhibitors and their families, $5 to visitors, with cheap food and camping. I think the ball's in your court Adam. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA USA fero_ah at city-net.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Jul 30 06:20:28 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:20:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gas tank holdown References: <010b01c4731d$b5446220$6401a8c0@john> Message-ID: > Hi Rick, > Don't know if I've showed you this before, but here's what was on > mine. > Little tabs that were soldered in places around the bottom of the tank, > which were secured to the base with screws. Here they are.... > http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/tab1.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/tab2.jpg > Hope this helps, > John Mines a little different John. There are no tabs or evidence there of. Just the 1" inch band around the center. Pictures 2 & 3 at this link show it and the holes in the frame rails top. Disregard the last picture. Even at 200 rpm it turns too fast to be a tumbler. http://community.webshots.com/album/88886243mzpsZq/3 Any help with this holdown would be appreciated. RickinMt From jhcullom at adelphia.net Fri Jul 30 06:31:00 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:31:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gas tank holdown References: <010b01c4731d$b5446220$6401a8c0@john> Message-ID: <00f601c47639$7403dc40$6401a8c0@john> Hummm, well, you could devise 4 small clamps that fit over the edge of the lip on the bottom of the tank. I couldn't tell you how they did it originally, I've not seen anything describing it in my literature. I didn't use the tabs on mine for fear they would be weak. I just used several round head bolts with large heads that fit over the lip on mine. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" > Mines a little different John. There are no tabs or evidence there of. > Just the 1" inch band around the center. Pictures 2 & 3 at this link show > it and the holes in the frame rails top. From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Fri Jul 30 07:35:46 2004 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:35:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mr Rattlesnake Message-ID: >We watched it go down behind a file cabinent and we >haven't seen it since. hmm. >Glenn Wilson Keep a CO2 fire extinguisher handy. Next time you see him, chill the dude right out and do with him what you wish. You can either slow him down a little or a lot, or put him out of your misery. Once he thaws, skin him... Too small for a belt, maybe for a kid... Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Lenexa, KS sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Overwhelmed by debt? Find out how to ?Dig Yourself Out of Debt? from MSN Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0407debt.armx From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jul 30 09:12:47 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Moved to Museum!!! In-Reply-To: <7a.5d4bf91e.2e3ae059@aol.com> References: <7a.5d4bf91e.2e3ae059@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Rick, Thanks for this update!!! It really has been an AMAZING project so far! I remember vividly nearly ten years ago when you first posted to the list about the discovery of the Tod Engine and your request for help to save it from becoming scrap iron. I also VIVIDLY remember meeting for the first time this skinny kid covered in Tod Engine grease as he articulated his vision for saving and restoring this 600,000 pound monster with all volunteer help. And the really cool thing is that you NEVER lost your vision!!! I'm incredibly proud to have been a part of it and continue to be amazed at what you accomplish with next to no funding and amazing will. BTW here's a good pic of the "skinny kid" with the "discovery." 8-)) http://www.todengine.org/images/photo_atbh.jpg For those of you who are less familiar with the project, take a look at the web site (and order the CD!!). http://www.todengine.org/ I would also STRONGLY encourage volunteering to help. Cleaning and painting always goes faster with more hands. And this beast is BIG so there's room to work without getting in someone's way. 8-)) Thanks again for the update!! I can't wait till the time that she rolls over again!!!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 Za3Sh at aol.com wrote: > Photos of today's work is on the webshots site at > http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine > > For the remainder of the year the Tod Engine Foundation will focus on filling > in and constructing the concrete pad for the high pressure side of the > engine, and cleaning and painting the parts that are at the museum site. > > These last two days have certainly been good ones for us! Thanks to everyone > on the SEL wrecking crew whose work eight years ago dismantling this engine > made today's success possible!!! > > Rick Rowlands > Tod Engine Foundation > Youngstown, OH > www.todengine.org From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Jul 30 09:57:51 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:57:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Moved to Museum!!! Message-ID: Hi Rick, Thanks for taking the pics and putting them up. It was exciting to click through all the pics on the site. I've seen some of them before but it doesn't get old looking at them. The size of these pieces just blows me away! It was neat to see the pics of the concrete at the museum site. Looks really nice. Is there any type of drain in the bottom of the flywheel pit? Do you keep it covered to keep the rain water out? What fills up the gap from the concrete pad to the bottom of the low pressure bedplate? Is this where the grout goes? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================== >From: Za3Sh at aol.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Moved to Museum!!! >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:20:57 EDT > >Yesterday two 50 ton hydraulic cranes and four semi trucks from Grim's >Crane >service arrived at the plate mill building at V&M Star Steel in Girard, OH >to >begin loading out parts of the Tod Engine for shipment to the future Tod >Engine Museum site. By the end of the day one of the flywheel halves was >on a >trailer and the LP bedplate was ready to lift. > >Today we successfully moved both halves of the flywheel, low pressure >bedplate and LP soleplate to the Tod Engine Museum site. The LP bedplate >and sole >plate were placed into position on the concrete, and one flywheel half was >placed into the pit. A total of 239,000 lbs. of engien parts were moved in >a >convoy this afternoon. > >Tommorrow we will complete this phase of the project by unloading the >remaining flywheel half and doing some fine adjustments on the locations of >the >bedplate, to assure that they will line up with the crank and flywheel when >the >remainder of the engine is assembled. > >We had full media coverage for the move. All three local TV network >affiliates had newscrews for interviews, the Youngstown Vindicator sent a >reporter as >well as the local Business Journal. Mr. David Tod, one of our past >benefactors, also was on hand to view the work in progress. The Tod Family >is still quite >interested in the project, and the son of William Tod, of whose company >built >our engine, will be in town and I plan to give him a personal tour of the >engine and grounds. > >After tommorrow's work the riggers will return in about a week to move and >set the low pressure cylinder. After that is completed the only parts that >will >remain at V&M Star Steel will be the high pressure bedplate, cylinder and >crankshaft. These parts will move early next year. > >Photos of today's work is on the webshots site at >http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine > >For the remainder of the year the Tod Engine Foundation will focus on >filling >in and constructing the concrete pad for the high pressure side of the >engine, and cleaning and painting the parts that are at the museum site. > >These last two days have certainly been good ones for us! Thanks to >everyone >on the SEL wrecking crew whose work eight years ago dismantling this engine >made today's success possible!!! > >Rick Rowlands >Tod Engine Foundation >Youngstown, OH >www.todengine.org _________________________________________________________________ Planning a family vacation? Check out the MSN Family Travel guide! http://dollar.msn.com From asouth at strato.net Fri Jul 30 11:07:21 2004 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:07:21 -0400 Subject: OT Re: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom References: <20040729.102025.716.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <002f01c47660$101d2520$d500a8c0@ARTHUR> I think if that was me - I'd HAVE to know where it is AT ALL TIMES !!! I wouldn't want to kill it (Maybe) because I feel thay're just trying to make a living but - I would make it so he doesn't want to be there. Good luck and safe hunting. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com There are some things that deserve Killin', and rattle snakes are one of them. To each his own. One of those things comes into my territory, it's DEAD! There used to be so many folks bitten down here in Fla. that a local man made a darn good living for 30 odd years making "rattle snake (proof) leggings". Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Jul 30 10:55:01 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:55:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gas tank holdown References: <010b01c4731d$b5446220$6401a8c0@john> <00f601c47639$7403dc40$6401a8c0@john> Message-ID: > Hummm, well, you could devise 4 small clamps that fit over the edge of the > lip on the bottom of the tank. Thanks pard! That's pretty much the way I was thinking also. Spud wants me to use a brass 1" band with 4 holdown studs which would work also. Catcha later, Rick From jrowland3 at neo.rr.com Fri Jul 30 11:55:14 2004 From: jrowland3 at neo.rr.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:55:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Moved to Museum!!! References: Message-ID: <003201c47666$bfbd1c00$a4291941@neo.rr.com> Luke, I have a 5 gallon bucket in the floor of the pit in which I put a pump. It is set up so that at some point in the future I can dig down behind the pit and tie a drain line into that sump pit and turn it into a drain. There is plenty of fall to drain by gravity. I haven't done the drain line yet because there is a house trailer and lots of parts in the path of the drain. The pit will fill up some with water until the building is built. I am not concerned with it because there is so much grease on the flywheel that it will be well protected. That grease is a tenaceous, sticky goo and won't wash off in a hundred years! That space, about 20", between pad and bedplate will eventually be filled with concrete up to the bedplate. The engine will be blocked and leveled beforehand. Grout is just portland cement and sand, and we may be able to get by with just concreteing up to the bedplate without using grout. BTW we set the LP soleplate directly on the pad, and it came out perfectly level! Apparently we must have been pretty accurate when we poured the pad. I just have to lift the rear of the bedplate up about 2" using jacks to get that piece perfectly level. Probably do that next wek after I make up a couple of pedestals to set it on. Also, the wrecking crew may remember laying on our backs removing those bolts that attached the soleplate and bedplate. Working conditions didn't get any better when I put them back in this morning. Was flat on my back holding a 15 pound bolt up three feet inside the casting and screwing it in during a pouring rainstorm while the riggers were dry in their truck! Rick From jrowland3 at neo.rr.com Fri Jul 30 11:58:35 2004 From: jrowland3 at neo.rr.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:58:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Moved to Museum!!! References: Message-ID: <00ac01c47667$3803d1e0$a4291941@neo.rr.com> Take a look at www.business-journal.com for an article on the engine move. Rick From diesel at easynet.co.uk Fri Jul 30 12:15:18 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:15:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Moved to Museum!!! In-Reply-To: <00ac01c47667$3803d1e0$a4291941@neo.rr.com> References: <00ac01c47667$3803d1e0$a4291941@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: <6e7lg052iqv3mpitjcd392sp5bq50232up@4ax.com> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:58:35 -0400, you wrote: >Take a look at www.business-journal.com for an article on the engine move. > >Rick You need to get more publicity like that, also you need to be able to mention that volunteers, donations of materiel and $$'s are also needed. It is certainly an impressive achievement, well done!. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Jul 30 14:35:54 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:35:54 EDT Subject: [SEL] list mail help Message-ID: <7e.54971bac.2e3c193a@aol.com> Yesterday I noticed I was missing some list mail after noting that I only had a few and then checking with the archives for July. Today I received none and counted 18 posts in the archives. I checked to make sure I was still active in the list and all boxes properly checked. My list information also notes that I am having mail bounced again 3.0 out of 5.0 it says. I have been having this problem off and on for some time now and every time I contact AOL, they inform me that Spencer has to contact them to resolve the problem. I have gone directly to the AOL Postmaster Team without resolve on my part as they will not talk to me about the problem. I have sent Spencer emails about my problems and to contact AOL, and then they clear up for a while, but I now feel that I am worrying him too much with my problem and AOL. I have no email/spam/etc., blockers of any kind in my computer. I receive all regular emails without failure. It is just mail coming from the list. It is also apparently just list mail coming thru AOL, as I do not hear of problems with the rest of you folks. I am on AOL 5.0. Does anyone have any ideas what to do to continue on the list without worrying someone all the time, or its it just time for me to say good by to the list. Other than this recent problem, I have not had much problems with AOL and sort of hesitant to change at this time. Also understand that I am not very computer savvy, do not down load much into it, never had a worm in 6 years now, so what ever I do must work except for this problem. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rexhinz at chorus.net Fri Jul 30 14:40:08 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:40:08 -0500 Subject: way OT [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom References: <41094D19.7030804@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004101c4767d$ca2309e0$3486a5d8@mycomputer> I think Curt has it right , I have caught around 5 Hog nose snakes in my yard and put them in in the wooded area in my back yard (wife goes nuts at the site of em) they hiss ,spit, regurgatate and some times rattle their tail aganst something to make a rattler sound , they are harmless , but be safe if your not 100 % sure , stay out striking range , let em go , if you have kids and pets take them to a remote place and carefully release them , :-)) Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:16 PM Subject: way OT [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom > Luke, > Have always enjoyed snakes and had quite a few while growing up. All the > neighbors call me when they have a snake in the yard or house. I gather > them up and release them to the safety of the woods. > Markings like the one you pictured would scare a southerner good, > immediately fearing copperhead. > I did a search on snakes in your are and here is the link. > http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Reserve/7416/mi.html or > http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=snakes+of+michigan&page=1&offset=2&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D14fd0405d9f2c20d%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26userQuery%3Dsnakes%2Bof%2Bmichigan%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.geocities.com%252FPetsburgh%252FReserve%252F7416%252Fmi.html%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DnsBrowserRoll%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2FPetsburgh%2FReserve%2F7416%2Fmi.html > Eastern Hognose snake looks familiar and the caption says they play dead > when provoked. > However, look at this link or the last photo! > http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=snakes+of+michigan&page=1&offset=2&result_url=redir?src=websearch&requestId=14fd0405d9f2c20d&clickedIt emRank=1&userQuery=snakes+of+michigan&clickedItemURN=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocit ies.com%2FPetsburgh%2FReserve%2F7416%2Fmi.html&invocationType=-&fromPage=nsB rowserRoll&Test=1&remove_url=http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Reserve/7 416/mi.html > > I put your picture and this picture side by side on the monitor and the > marking on the head, over the eyes, and down the neck are VERY similiar. > No rattle? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > > Hi Everybody, > > > > Not sure what kind of snake this is but Shirley about stepped on it > > while she was going out to hang up some laundry on the clothes line > > this past Saturday afternoon. It was about 16 inches long. After > > poking at it with a broom handle to get him to go on his way he sorta > > coiled up, raised his head, and hissed a few times. You can see him > > donig this in the second picture. I was able to dangle him off the > > broom handle and put him out in the weeds. He never did try to bite at > > the broom handle. Shirley watched from faaaaar away as she is very > > afraid of snakes. When I get time I'm going to try and see what type > > of snake it was. > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-005s.jpg > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-008s.jpg > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Fri Jul 30 14:47:10 2004 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:47:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] magneto question Message-ID: <001101c4767e$c5235340$24b74004@dslverizon.net> I have been fooling around with a Maytag mag and am having some problems. I replaced the condenser and reset the points. I had no spark at all and now I get a very feeble spark. I suspect the magnets need recharging. They seem very weak when a screwdriver is touched to them. Does anybody know where to get this done. Any other ideas? Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA, U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net From alanb2 at webtv.net Fri Jul 30 17:16:10 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:16:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] magneto question In-Reply-To: "Jim and Diane" 's message of Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:47:10 -0700 Message-ID: <15028-410AE4CA-3858@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net> Hi Jim, Before someone asks if you have a boat that needs an anchor,,,,, I will ask if you belong to an engine club in your area???? If you do then ask around to see if anyone has a magneto charger? I have seen a Maytag flywheel all set up to get it's magnet charged. I'm sure anyone that has the mag charger will know how to set it up. Alan ~~~~~Jim Kirkes wrote~~~~~ I suspect the magnets need recharging. They seem very weak when a screwdriver is touched to them. Does anybody know where to get this done. Any other ideas? Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA, U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net , , Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From alanb2 at webtv.net Fri Jul 30 17:28:18 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:28:18 -0400 Subject: WOW,,, Fast post return,,,,Re: [SEL] magneto question In-Reply-To: alanb2@webtv.net (Alan Bowen)'s message of Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:16:10 -0400 Message-ID: <15028-410AE7A2-3862@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net> Only 8 minutes before my post showed up here. I have been seeing 30-45 minute delays for over a year. Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Jul 30 17:59:30 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:59:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] magneto question References: <001101c4767e$c5235340$24b74004@dslverizon.net> Message-ID: <019f01c47699$a2c54e50$0400a8c0@Dave> > I have been fooling around with a Maytag mag and am having some problems. > Jim That's SOP with a MAYTAG. It's working just as Fred designed it to work! Dave From clemsweller at earthlink.net Fri Jul 30 20:12:46 2004 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 22:12:46 -0500 Subject: way OT [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom In-Reply-To: <004101c4767d$ca2309e0$3486a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <000e01c476ac$47b2d010$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> We've tried that, but the kids keep coming home anyway! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 4:40 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: way OT [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom I think Curt has it right , I have caught around 5 Hog nose snakes in my yard and put them in in the wooded area in my back yard (wife goes nuts at the site of em) they hiss ,spit, regurgatate and some times rattle their tail aganst something to make a rattler sound , they are harmless , but be safe if your not 100 % sure , stay out striking range , let em go , if you have kids and pets take them to a remote place and carefully release them , :-)) Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:16 PM Subject: way OT [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom > Luke, > Have always enjoyed snakes and had quite a few while growing up. All the > neighbors call me when they have a snake in the yard or house. I gather > them up and release them to the safety of the woods. > Markings like the one you pictured would scare a southerner good, > immediately fearing copperhead. > I did a search on snakes in your are and here is the link. > http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Reserve/7416/mi.html or > http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=snakes+of+michigan&pag e=1&offset=2&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D14fd0405d9 f2c20d%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26userQuery%3Dsnakes%2Bof%2Bmichigan%26clic kedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.geocities.com%252FPetsburgh%252FRese rve%252F7416%252Fmi.html%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DnsBrowserRoll %26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2FPetsbur gh%2FReserve%2F7416%2Fmi.html > Eastern Hognose snake looks familiar and the caption says they play dead > when provoked. > However, look at this link or the last photo! > http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=snakes+of+michigan&pag e=1&offset=2&result_url=redir?src=websearch&requestId=14fd0405d9f2c20d&c lickedIt emRank=1&userQuery=snakes+of+michigan&clickedItemURN=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ge ocit ies.com%2FPetsburgh%2FReserve%2F7416%2Fmi.html&invocationType=-&fromPage =nsB rowserRoll&Test=1&remove_url=http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Reser ve/7 416/mi.html > > I put your picture and this picture side by side on the monitor and the > marking on the head, over the eyes, and down the neck are VERY similiar. > No rattle? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > > Hi Everybody, > > > > Not sure what kind of snake this is but Shirley about stepped on it > > while she was going out to hang up some laundry on the clothes line > > this past Saturday afternoon. It was about 16 inches long. After > > poking at it with a broom handle to get him to go on his way he sorta > > coiled up, raised his head, and hissed a few times. You can see him > > donig this in the second picture. I was able to dangle him off the > > broom handle and put him out in the weeds. He never did try to bite at > > the broom handle. Shirley watched from faaaaar away as she is very > > afraid of snakes. When I get time I'm going to try and see what type > > of snake it was. > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-005s.jpg > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-008s.jpg > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Jul 30 20:32:20 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 23:32:20 -0400 Subject: OT Re: [SEL] rattle snake in my playroom Message-ID: <20040730.233505.1092.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Art, I can't tell you how to think. I just don't think an animal - any animal - deserves to be killed just because he crossed paths with a human. Humans are supposed to be the intelligent one. As much as I wouldn't want it in my place - I think it should given the chance to be free. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:07:21 -0400 "Arthur Southwell" writes: > I think if that was me - I'd HAVE to know where it is AT ALL TIMES > !!! > I wouldn't want to kill it (Maybe) because I feel thay're just > trying to > make a living > but - I would make it so he doesn't want to be there. > Good luck and safe hunting. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > > There are some things that deserve Killin', and rattle snakes are > one of them. > > To each his own. > > One of those things comes into my territory, it's DEAD! > > There used to be so many folks bitten down here in Fla. that a local > man made a darn good living for 30 odd years making "rattle snake > (proof) leggings". > > > Arthur Southwell > Arthur Southwell Rebuilding > Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. > asouth at strato.net > > > http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html > http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee > http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Jul 30 13:13:30 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:13:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Cumbria Steam Fair References: <002501c47406$cb21c3f0$06856ad5@one> Message-ID: <001a01c47671$aebdc1b0$06856ad5@one> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 7:23 PM Subject: [SEL] Cumbria Steam Fair > We had our yearly weekend in the Lake District. > One good day & one wet, cold & windy. > I have posted some pictures at > http://community.webshots.com/album/167571610Nkxrin > I managed a few unusual pictures such as steam ploughing > with an atomic reactor in the background. > Also a picture of a helicopter just over a ploughing engine. > Someone had made a good job of sectioning a Lister D. > My wife thinks this years plaque is the best ever, weighing > two pounds of brass.(See Fred picture) > Dave Croft Hi, I first posted this four days ago & all the pictures were checked as OK before I posted to the group. Later someone said that some were missing & I found several had disappeared. I reported it to Webshots & they said you had to wait for 70 working hours for pictures to be posted. They have re-appeared today. Has anyone else had problems like this with Webshots? Dave Croft Warrington England http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv British Map http://pub32.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=2692147218 World Map http://pub13.bravenet.com/guestmap/view.php?usernum=1064374771 From diesel at easynet.co.uk Fri Jul 30 23:16:08 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 07:16:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] list mail help In-Reply-To: <7e.54971bac.2e3c193a@aol.com> References: <7e.54971bac.2e3c193a@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:35:54 EDT, you wrote: >Yesterday I noticed I was missing some list mail after noting that I only had >a few and then checking with the archives for July. >Also understand that I am not very computer savvy, do not down load much into >it, never had a worm in 6 years now, so what ever I do must work except for >this problem. > >Thanks, > >Tom Schmutz Tom: Historically, AOL has made its customers use their own proprietary software, rather than letting them use the same as the rest of the world. This has led to the current situation where AOL customers have little choice in selecting software that works properly with other sources and many are the tales of woe from out there from folks who have connectivity and other problems with AOL. I seem to remember that when we were with AOL for a year or so we did find a way of running other software like Netscape, but since then AOL bought up Netscape so that option isn't available now. It's not a simple thing to change an ISP, but if I were you I would give serious thought to looking at making the change. AOL has not been a good option for some years now and while a lot of folks do get on with it, there are far more that have used it, found it wanting and have moved on. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From adamcottrill at telstra.com Sat Jul 31 05:39:41 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 22:39:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Message-ID: <488fe748b808.48b808488fe7@email.bigpond.com> Hi Arnie, great points and suggestions 100% right!!!! Im not sure if previous events balance sheets are avalible as they have been run by different clubs across the country... could you compare apples with apples in that being the case? As for this National some of the expenses are to be in the Press release I mentioned was being drafted a little while back (i will get a date when this is to be released)so I guess in the short term discussion will be about the numbers listed there. However I will ask the question and see (if it isnt included in the press release) if the organisers will disclose more actuals or at least give me access and permission of them so I can ask them on here for you guys to view. I hope Arnie you believe this is pushing the ball enough to get the response you suggested, if not please suggest another angle you feel is required which I can take. Kind regards, Adam From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jul 31 08:08:20 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:08:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cumbria Steam Fair References: <002501c47406$cb21c3f0$06856ad5@one> <001a01c47671$aebdc1b0$06856ad5@one> Message-ID: > Hi, I first posted this four days ago & all the pictures were checked as > OK > before I posted to the group. > Later someone said that some were missing & I found several had > disappeared. > I reported it to Webshots & they said you had to wait for 70 working hours > for > pictures to be posted. They have re-appeared today. > Has anyone else had problems like this with Webshots? Howdy Dave; It was a bit erratic on me the other day. Me thinks the new uploading program is way too fancy. Thanks for the great photo's!! RickinMt. From oldengin at udata.com Sat Jul 31 08:56:15 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 11:56:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally In-Reply-To: <488fe748b808.48b808488fe7@email.bigpond.com> References: <488fe748b808.48b808488fe7@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <410BC11F.5090808@udata.com> Adam Cottrill wrote: >However I will ask the question and see (if it isnt included in the press release) if the organisers will disclose more actuals or at least give me access and permission of them so I can ask them on here for you guys to view. > >I hope Arnie you believe this is pushing the ball enough to get the response you suggested, if not please suggest another angle you feel is required which I can take. > >Kind regards, > Adam > > > Adam, not being a mud slinger here, BUT her is your next angle...... how many of your top brass accept pay for their positions? How many of them also pad themselves with the printing costs, own the printers, or how many of them really ever exhibit?? Ohhh now maybe I see some light here, these fine national folks would rather govern the masses and not worry about the rules them selves? See "IF" the national is as big as you are stating then it looks like they could control the rules (hmmmm I have read this already) and if the fence issue was to be challenged by them it might go away, again who owns the rental fences and also sells fences????????? This press release, is it written by a lawyer, or who gets paid for the writing of it? Also is it true a new one is needed each time you hold a nat. rally ( hmmm every two years different clubs). And how many of these directors, sounding like dictators...., decide the gates and just where the fund go from them? See here in Ahio you have to join to be a member to exhibit, not my rule! but I do join all the shows with which I exhibit, the cost runs me around 5.00-10.00 dollars each, again this is all directly going to the CLUB.... now if you tell me that my membership to your national is good at each and every show you do then this will be a wash. Oh I also think that each club should have the chance to have a member on the national staff too? And as far a camping I pay for this privilege also. again 5.00- 15-00 per event. Did I mention that this includes electric hook-up and a dump station for my ole camper and lest me to forget a hot shower any time of day or night, I missed it, your national has these same advantages? CORRECT???????? after all in today's world even the most out dated events have semis with showers in them for a small fee.. And the cost of electric is near nothing once it is installed..... And food!!!!!!!!!!! At 4 feet 10 inches wide you could say I LOVE TO EAT! see it has become part of my daily habit, but when I do attend shows it is my choosing where and what to eat. After all some shows will feed me "FREE" fresh roasting corn and also fresh melon, again free... And other shows will allow only civic organizations to sell food on there grounds, yeas they purchase the rights to be on the grounds but what a way to build your organizations funds. still others will offer you everything you can imagine to eat again at very little cost.. I even know of one show that has in the past held beer tasting events with the only cost being beers of your liking. Yes your plaques are very very nice and something to admire. ours are plate brass with stencil on them... But let me see,,,,,, if I had to purchase them then it would be a no brainer to pass them up. After all this is still a HOBBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Have you and the other members of your national forgot this? Seems to me that it might be time for you, the national, to do some gut checking. See I can still run my engins at home and enjoy them, I can invite select friends over and also enjoy them, I can probably even talk my friends into allowing me to start there engins and enjoy the sounds of them also. The reason to go to the shows are for John Q. Public... Yes I enjoy the shows and yes I enjoy the fellowship which occurs at these events also... BUT trust me when I tell you I CAN DO THIS AT HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hmmmmmmmmmm now if it is the idea of this national to help cripple the hobby and make lots of money for there own use then maybe, yes MAYBE, you are heading in the right direction... Here in the states, many of the old car collectors started some of the same things I see you doing and now "they" are a select group with their noses in the air, ask them a question and see if you get an honest answer, again many of the recent reading on this list have this taste to them, All posts not one person. Adam, one last question, do you, personal or your national, have signs for your engins that say "PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH" ? ohhh I almost forgot about the fencey thing! PS I have some 6 feet privacy for sale cheap and will it will allow you bathroom use for your next camp outing. Have a nice day -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From jlb94 at juno.com Sat Jul 31 09:54:12 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 12:54:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cumbria Steam Fair Message-ID: <20040731.125800.916.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rick, I haven't had any problems with webshots (that I know of). I think some of us expect too much from this media. If I post something and it shows up within minutes - or hours - I think it's a bonus. If it shows up the next day - I think that's normal. I've been reading posts where people are timing when their post shows up. If it ain't "immediate" they think something's wrong. Just my 2 cents Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Jul 31 21:08:06 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 14:08:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally In-Reply-To: <410BC11F.5090808@udata.com> Message-ID: <200408010408.i71481st007271@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi Leroy, I am not sure if you are trying to be inflammatory or defamatory. The executive of the NHMA are all volunteers. I doubt if any of them even live within a convenient distance of the rally location so the idea of them personally making money out of it is fairly ludicrous. As with most volunteers of a club I am sure that most of their expenses are covered but I doubt if they even claim all of them. I know of many club secretaries who often just wear the cost of posting things rather than claim back a couple of dollars. Decisions are made by the NHMA and often people disagree with them (myself included) but you cannot deny that they are doing a hard job with no material benefits. I am sure that they will listen to the complaints about cost but it may be too late to solve the problem at this National which would be a shame. It will probably still be a great event with lots of engines and tractors but for every person who stays home or goes 'just for a look' the event is diminished. I shall now step down from my battery box (it used to be a soap box but I found another use for it). Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/