From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  1 04:41:09 2004
From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 04:41:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson info.
In-Reply-To: <20041130.221148.284.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20041201124109.78760.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com>

Verne still has all the records, write him with your s/n and $1.  


rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
Hi all.
Is Verne Kindschi still the keeper of the F&J records? I thought I heard
he passed the information to someone else. I am looking for the
information on a 3hp serial no. 78652, already know the year. Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Dec  1 06:15:19 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 07:15:19 -0700
Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help
References: <20041129.210419.248.0.jlb94@juno.com>
	<002201c4d69f$e68ab290$8c9f0952@no1>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV265D282DBC9FD8A557F2BDBBBF0@phx.gbl>

Pip..on my babbitt burner, there is a small screen filter just before it 
goes into the burner.  About 1/4 the dia. of a cigarette filter..same 
length.

  Possibly yours has one also.

later,
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] clogged pipe help


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 1:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] clogged pipe help
>
>
> > Maybe I will try 1/2 denatured alcohol and 1/2 lacquer thinner like Curt
> > said
> > worked.
> > Careful when mixing flamable liquids.
> > I once mixed Gasoline & Kerosene in a smudge pot and lit it not 
> > realizing
> > what was mixed.
> > It worked okay untill I picked it up to move it.
> > About liked to blow my head off !!
> > Luckily - The pressure of gasoline igniting blew itself out.
> > Joe "Pip" Betz
>
> Is Denatured Alcohol in the US the same as the "Meths" or
> "Methylated spirits" we use in the UK?
> Ours is purple in colour & is Ethyl alcohol with Methyl alcohol
> added to make it undrinkable.
> (Mind you, we do think about drinking it when Arnie is over here
> overworking all our breweries) 8^)
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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From jnyost at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  1 06:32:38 2004
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 06:32:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] 2004 ATIS CHarity Auction?
In-Reply-To: <24246-41ACC8DB-3006@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <20041201143239.47547.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com>

GREAT



--- Alan Bowen <alanb2 at webtv.net> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
> 
> I was wondering if anyone would be interested in
> another one,,,,
> 
> I will put up another Big Ol' Wrench soon.
> Grab yer own,
> OR,, Hey Spenser,,, Wanna set of 'em???
> 
> I guess I just need to make a simple web page of
> items on the Charity
> Auction.
> 
> I have a book here I am putting up in a few minutes
> that could go either
> way. 8>))
> 
> Alan Bowen
> 
> ~~~~~Jim?Yost wrote~~~~~
> 
> I sure hope it is. I would like to see that "BIG OLD
> WRENCH" (Spencer)
> go back on the auction since my ISP went down and I
> could not put my
> last bid in. 8-)) 
> 
>
http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity
> 
> 
> Jim and Janna Yost
> Utica, Ohio
> USA
> jnyost at yahoo.com 
> 
> Alan Bowen  alanb2 at webtv.net
> Williamsburg, Michigan
> 
> 
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From toadhill at aeroinc.net  Wed Dec  1 06:58:46 2004
From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:58:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Heart Failure
Message-ID: <002301c4d7b6$43892e60$7acc940c@mcness.com>

To the list,

Thanks to everyone who called, sent cards and visited while I was down with open heart surgery.  All thoughts and prayers were appreciated.  I have a new plastic heart valve that seems to be lapped in good and they rebuilt my aorta.  They must of redone the rings and cylinders because I have good compression and seem to be firing on all.  They can bounce start me now.  Thanks again to everyone.

Joe

From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Dec  1 07:57:15 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:57:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help
Message-ID: <20041201.110732.1260.4.jlb94@juno.com>

>Is Denatured Alcohol in the US the same as the "Meths" or
>"Methylated spirits" we use in the UK?
=        =        =        =        =        =        =        =
Hi Dave,

I have no idea what the UK calls things.

I bought a can of "Solvent Alcohol" at an estate sale.
I figured it was "Denatured Alcohol".
It smells the same & burns the same & solvents the same.
But the ingredients are different.

Denatured Alcohol containes = Methyl Alcohol Cas #67-56-1
and - Ethyl Alcohol Cas # 64-17-5

Solvent Alcohol containes = Methanol - No other ingredients listed.

So - Even over here - What I think is the same, is something else.
Sorry -


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
 \/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Dec  1 08:43:36 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:43:36 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Heart Failure
In-Reply-To: <002301c4d7b6$43892e60$7acc940c@mcness.com>
Message-ID: <200412011643.iB1GhiGT029105@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


> Thanks to everyone who called, sent cards and visited while I 
> was down with open heart surgery.  All thoughts and prayers 
> were appreciated.  I have a new plastic heart valve that 
> seems to be lapped in good and they rebuilt my aorta.  They 
> must of redone the rings and cylinders because I have good 
> compression and seem to be firing on all.  They can bounce 
> start me now.  Thanks again to everyone.

Hey Joe,
Welcome back!  
Glad they didn't decide to "part you out."

Rob






From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Dec  1 09:44:17 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:44:17 -0000
Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help
References: <20041201.110732.1260.4.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <004501c4d7cd$62b25b60$8c9f0952@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] clogged pipe help


> >Is Denatured Alcohol in the US the same as the "Meths" or
> >"Methylated spirits" we use in the UK?
> =        =        =        =        =        =        =        =
> Hi Dave,
> I have no idea what the UK calls things.
> I bought a can of "Solvent Alcohol" at an estate sale.
> I figured it was "Denatured Alcohol".
> It smells the same & burns the same & solvents the same.
> But the ingredients are different.
> Denatured Alcohol containes = Methyl Alcohol Cas #67-56-1
> and - Ethyl Alcohol Cas # 64-17-5
> Solvent Alcohol containes = Methanol - No other ingredients listed.
> So - Even over here - What I think is the same, is something else.
> Sorry -
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 

Hi Joe, I do know that Ethyl alcohol is supposed to be drinkable 
& Methyl or methanol is supposed to F**ck you up in style. 8^)
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Dec  1 10:17:58 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:17:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Heart Failure
In-Reply-To: <200412011643.iB1GhiGT029105@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200412011643.iB1GhiGT029105@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412011315470.21081@vegeta.city-net.com>

ROFLMAO!!!  And the other amusing bit was that the NEXT email in the Inbox
had the Subject... "Clogged Pipe Help."  Yeah, it's a slow day and I need
to be amused...  8-))

On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Rob Skinner wrote:

> Hey Joe,
> Welcome back!
> Glad they didn't decide to "part you out."


From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Dec  1 10:59:04 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 13:59:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help OT
In-Reply-To: <004501c4d7cd$62b25b60$8c9f0952@no1>
References: <20041201.110732.1260.4.jlb94@juno.com>
	<004501c4d7cd$62b25b60$8c9f0952@no1>
Message-ID: <41AE1478.8060407@imc-group.com>

Hi Joe, I do know that Ethyl alcohol is supposed to be drinkable

>& Methyl or methanol is supposed to F**ck you up in style. 8^)
>Dave Croft
>Warrington
>England
>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>  
>
Yup, methanol will lead to permanent impaired vision in roughly 1/5 of 
those that survive. Not very good odds. 1 carbon chain

Ethanol is our fermented drink of choice. 2 carbon chains

Interestingly as you keep going up the carbon chain the odd carbon 
chains are poisonous and the evens safe.
Propanol (isopropyl) is 3 carbons long and is not something you want to 
drink.
Goodness chemistry was a LONG time ago!
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From garyepps at fidnet.com  Wed Dec  1 12:50:31 2004
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 14:50:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help OT
In-Reply-To: <41AE1478.8060407@imc-group.com>
References: <20041201.110732.1260.4.jlb94@juno.com>	<004501c4d7cd$62b25b60$8c9f0952@no1>
	<41AE1478.8060407@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <41AE2E97.1080604@fidnet.com>

Yes, but you have to remember that there are some things that are 
supposed to be drinkable in the South that aren't considered drinkable 
anywhere else in the country. :)

Gary

Curt wrote:
> Hi Joe, I do know that Ethyl alcohol is supposed to be drinkable
> 
>> & Methyl or methanol is supposed to F**ck you up in style. 8^)
>> Dave Croft
>> Warrington
>> England
>> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>>  
>>
> Yup, methanol will lead to permanent impaired vision in roughly 1/5 of 
> those that survive. Not very good odds. 1 carbon chain
> 
> Ethanol is our fermented drink of choice. 2 carbon chains
> 
> Interestingly as you keep going up the carbon chain the odd carbon 
> chains are poisonous and the evens safe.
> Propanol (isopropyl) is 3 carbons long and is not something you want to 
> drink.
> Goodness chemistry was a LONG time ago!
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
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> 

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at a leisurely pace.



From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Dec  1 14:05:31 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:05:31 EST
Subject: [SEL] Good engine day
Message-ID: <12f.51878f5b.2edf9a2b@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/30/2004 6:23:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl writes:

<< I think it's a habit to have something different on M's >>

John,

It is nice to learn something new every day.  Thanks for the info.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Dec  1 14:13:16 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:13:16 EST
Subject: [SEL] Heart Failure
Message-ID: <1da.30ae5b69.2edf9bfc@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/1/2004 1:47:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:

<< ROFLMAO!!!  And the other amusing bit was that the NEXT email in the Inbox
 had the Subject... "Clogged Pipe Help."  Yeah, it's a slow day and I need
 to be amused...  8-)) >>



Arnie,

If you lack for amusement, I will send you the tank with the clogged pipe and 
you can work on it. Course it does not take much to amuse me either!

Thanks,



Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Dec  1 14:07:51 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:07:51 EST
Subject: [SEL] Scale Rock Crusher
Message-ID: <e1.7b16be5.2edf9ab7@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/30/2004 9:48:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
tberry6 at carolina.rr.com writes:

<< Pray for me because I live halfway between the Roysters and Curt Holland >>


I am not sure praying will help.  Maybe moving will be better.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Dec  1 14:40:24 2004
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:40:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Scale Rock Crusher
References: <e1.7b16be5.2edf9ab7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <009c01c4d7f6$bf67e400$545b8645@carolina.rr.com>

Careful Tom, he could bring all those tractors up next door to you!
MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Scale Rock Crusher


> In a message dated 11/30/2004 9:48:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> tberry6 at carolina.rr.com writes:
>
> << Pray for me because I live halfway between the Roysters and Curt
Holland >>
>
>
> I am not sure praying will help.  Maybe moving will be better.
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec  1 15:56:12 2004
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:56:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Heart Failure
References: <002301c4d7b6$43892e60$7acc940c@mcness.com>
Message-ID: <003301c4d801$5861ae20$210110ac@PaulMaples>

GREAT NEWS Joe, we are all thrilled to get this good report.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe & Jewel Maurer" <toadhill at aeroinc.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 8:58 AM
Subject: [SEL] Heart Failure


To the list,

Thanks to everyone who called, sent cards and visited while I was down with 
open heart surgery.  All thoughts and prayers were appreciated.  I have a 
new plastic heart valve that seems to be lapped in good and they rebuilt my 
aorta.  They must of redone the rings and cylinders because I have good 
compression and seem to be firing on all.  They can bounce start me now. 
Thanks again to everyone.

Joe
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Dec  1 18:56:46 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 21:56:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 2004 ATIS CHarity Auction?
In-Reply-To: <24246-41ACC8DB-3006@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net>
References: <James Yost <jnyost@yahoo.com>
	<24246-41ACC8DB-3006@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041201215237.02372e88@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
         Just got off the phone with Spencer. He just got home from taking 
his mother back to Atlanta after a GREAT Thanksgiving. He now knows that 
the ATIS Charity Auction page is not working properly. He will set things 
right w/in a few days!
         Dave
PS, Early, often and against yourself if possible!

At 02:24 PM 11/30/2004, you wrote:
>Hi Jim,
>
>I was wondering if anyone would be interested in another one,,,,
>
>I will put up another Big Ol' Wrench soon.
>Grab yer own,
>OR,, Hey Spenser,,, Wanna set of 'em???
>
>I guess I just need to make a simple web page of items on the Charity
>Auction.
>
>I have a book here I am putting up in a few minutes that could go either
>way. 8>))
>
>Alan Bowen
>
>~~~~~Jim Yost wrote~~~~~
>
>I sure hope it is. I would like to see that "BIG OLD WRENCH" (Spencer)
>go back on the auction since my ISP went down and I could not put my
>last bid in. 8-))
>
>http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity
>
>Jim and Janna Yost
>Utica, Ohio
>USA
>jnyost at yahoo.com
>
>Alan Bowen  alanb2 at webtv.net
>Williamsburg, Michigan
>
>
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From skipl at montana.com  Wed Dec  1 19:37:54 2004
From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:37:54 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson info.
References: <20041130.221148.284.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <41AE8E11.1EED1722@montana.com>

i think i heard that starbolt now has them.  skip

rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

> Hi all.
> Is Verne Kindschi still the keeper of the F&J records?  I thought I heard
> he passed the information to someone else.  I am looking for the
> information on a 3hp serial no.  78652, already know the year.  Thanks.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> _______________________________________________
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From yostsw at atis.net  Wed Dec  1 20:00:38 2004
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:00:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction
Message-ID: <200412012300380812.0CFFFDE1@heavyiron.atis.net>

It's on.....


The 2004 ATIS Holiday Charity Auction has officially started!!!

We now have a few items up and it is time to get bidding and get your
donations listed.   By the way, there is a technical note after my
signature that everyone will need to read.  Also, a few folks have
indicated they have had a bit of trouble with the pages, but I couldn't
reproduce them, other than symptoms my note below addresses.   As usual,
feel free send me an email if you have any question or problem.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net

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From driggars at earthlink.net  Wed Dec  1 20:35:30 2004
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:35:30 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Re: Harbor Freight-Small Tailgate lift
References: <20041128.112139.760.2.jlb94@juno.com>	<6.1.2.0.0.20041128201234.022c7608@mail.alltel.net><41AB45EA.9030908@mlode.com>
	<41AB6477.1020602@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <058b01c4d828$5b9fb060$6a448304@clinton>

About a month or so ago, someone had purchased a small tailgate lift from
Harbor Freight, It lifted something like 300-500 pounds, the gave the HF item
number, i could have sworn I saved the email but cany find it
was that someone on this list? if so do you still have the item number?
Thanks
Clint



From BillMil357 at aol.com  Wed Dec  1 21:26:27 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 00:26:27 EST
Subject: [SEL] Re: Harbor Freight-Small Tailgate lift
Message-ID: <cf.1d0d1ed2.2ee00183@aol.com>

Hey Clint;
 
Try this link and see if it is the one you are referring to, the part  number 
is 1647 and is on sale at our local HF store until Dec. 8 for  $59.99,
 
_http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?function=Search_ 
(http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?function=Search) 
 
Thanks,
 
Bill Miller
Memphis, TN.


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Dec  1 14:44:17 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:44:17 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Scale Rock Crusher
References: <e1.7b16be5.2edf9ab7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <008c01c4d84a$51cebfa0$1b0d1bd3@athlon>

Hey Tom, ya beat me posting those very same words!!  VBG
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message -----
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Scale Rock Crusher


> In a message dated 11/30/2004 9:48:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> tberry6 at carolina.rr.com writes:
>
> << Pray for me because I live halfway between the Roysters and Curt
Holland >>
>
>
> I am not sure praying will help.  Maybe moving will be better.
>
> Tom Schmutz



From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  2 03:26:28 2004
From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 03:26:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson info.
In-Reply-To: <41AE8E11.1EED1722@montana.com>
Message-ID: <20041202112628.82178.qmail@web52609.mail.yahoo.com>

Verne passed all the manuals, decals and name plates he used to sell on to Starbolt, he still has the records and will look up engines.  Heard this from Verne himself plus he put a notice in GEM earlier this year.
 


skip landis <skipl at montana.com> wrote:
i think i heard that starbolt now has them. skip

rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:


Cheers!  NICK
 
 
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From ottawa at pa.net  Thu Dec  2 09:14:36 2004
From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:14:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Harbor Freight-Small Tailgate lift
References: <20041128.112139.760.2.jlb94@juno.com>	<6.1.2.0.0.20041128201234.022c7608@mail.alltel.net><41AB45EA.9030908@mlode.com><41AB6477.1020602@imc-group.com>
	<058b01c4d828$5b9fb060$6a448304@clinton>
Message-ID: <019101c4d892$66d582b0$e5783b42@HONDESKTOP>

Is this the item you are looking for?

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=47591

Helen

George L. & Helen S. Myers
The Ottawa Caretakers   ottawa at pa.net
Tel 717-536-3711
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Clint D 
  To: The SEL email discussion list 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:35 PM
  Subject: [SEL] Re: Harbor Freight-Small Tailgate lift


  About a month or so ago, someone had purchased a small tailgate lift from
  Harbor Freight, It lifted something like 300-500 pounds, the gave the HF item
  number, i could have sworn I saved the email but cany find it
  was that someone on this list? if so do you still have the item number?
  Thanks
  Clint

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From driggars at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  2 10:41:05 2004
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:41:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Re: Harbor Freight-Small Tailgate lift
References: <20041128.112139.760.2.jlb94@juno.com>	<6.1.2.0.0.20041128201234.022c7608@mail.alltel.net><41AB45EA.9030908@mlode.com><41AB6477.1020602@imc-group.com><058b01c4d828$5b9fb060$6a448304@clinton>
	<019101c4d892$66d582b0$e5783b42@HONDESKTOP>
Message-ID: <008401c4d89e$7bfb0fa0$62468304@clinton>

Helen

Yes! That is it

Clint

----- Original Message -----
From: "George/Helen Myers" <ottawa at pa.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Harbor Freight-Small Tailgate lift


Is this the item you are looking for?

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=47591

Helen

George L. & Helen S. Myers
The Ottawa Caretakers   ottawa at pa.net
Tel 717-536-3711
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Clint D
  To: The SEL email discussion list
  Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:35 PM
  Subject: [SEL] Re: Harbor Freight-Small Tailgate lift


  About a month or so ago, someone had purchased a small tailgate lift from
  Harbor Freight, It lifted something like 300-500 pounds, the gave the HF
item
  number, i could have sworn I saved the email but cany find it
  was that someone on this list? if so do you still have the item number?
  Thanks
  Clint

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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Dec  1 15:22:55 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:22:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help
In-Reply-To: <20041201.110732.1260.4.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20041201.110732.1260.4.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <EDF92210-43EF-11D9-98F2-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> Denatured Alcohol containes = Methyl Alcohol Cas #67-56-1
> and - Ethyl Alcohol Cas # 64-17-5

That's "Methylated Spirits" and is the most common kind of denatured 
alcohol here. But there are several other approved ingredients for 
"denaturants." The purpose is to make you sick as hell if you drink it 
so you won't. If the alcohol's nondrinkable, the BATFE exempts it from 
Federal liquor taxes.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu  Thu Dec  2 12:56:21 2004
From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:56:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Pictures of Scale Model Gas Engines added to my Website
Message-ID: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9D8@email05.bsu.edu>

Pictures of Scale Model Gas Engines (8 of them) have been added to my website.  These are photographs that I took at various shows, etc. in 2004.  A very special thanks to Jim, Ken and my family.  I hope you enjoy the photos!  
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker/shows/various-4/
 
Don Siefker
28 Miles SW of Portland, IN  USA 
 
 



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Dec  2 17:07:08 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:07:08 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging
Message-ID: <20041202.170708.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  I have a question on recharging magnets.  When I turn on the
charger and the magnet to be charged turns and lines up; do I place it on
the charger in that position, or do i reverse it?  Thanks.


Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From edstoller at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  2 17:37:00 2004
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:37:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Stirling Engines
Message-ID: <009201c4d8d8$b318d0a0$44b6f504@x8h7l9>

I noticed that on the cover of  the Micro-Mark catalog  that there was a Stirling engine kit; fully machined $187.50 and materials $87.50.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT



From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Dec  2 17:39:03 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:39:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help
Message-ID: <20041202.205139.852.3.jlb94@juno.com>

>But there are several other approved ingredients for 
"denaturants." The purpose is to make you sick as hell if you drink it 
so you won't. If the alcohol's nondrinkable, the BATFE exempts it from 
Federal liquor taxes.<
=        =        =        =        =        =        =        =        =
       
Thanks John,
Is that all the word "denatured" means ?

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
 \/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Dec  2 18:01:48 2004
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:01:48 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging
In-Reply-To: <20041202.170708.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200412030201.iB321tgk056196@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Ron, Don't fight mother Nature!  Jimmy O'Hagan

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
rdhaskell at juno.com
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 5:07 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging

Hi all.  I have a question on recharging magnets.  When I turn on the
charger and the magnet to be charged turns and lines up; do I place it on
the charger in that position, or do i reverse it?  Thanks.


Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Dec  2 19:16:29 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:16:29 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging
In-Reply-To: <20041202.170708.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <005101c4d8e6$7d276cf0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

No, please don't reverse it.
Ya cannot change the laws of physics, cap'n.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
rdhaskell at juno.com
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 7:07 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging


Hi all.  I have a question on recharging magnets.  When I turn on the
charger and the magnet to be charged turns and lines up; do I place it on
the charger in that position, or do i reverse it?  Thanks.


Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From gibsongus at myway.com  Thu Dec  2 22:31:56 2004
From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus)
Date: Fri,  3 Dec 2004 01:31:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging
Message-ID: <20041203063156.A51723980@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 Ron when Rob does it he has a little compas? so he knows where north is, does this help?-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Thu 12/02, &lt; rdhaskell at juno.com &gt; wrote:
From: [mailto: rdhaskell at juno.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:07:08 -0800Subject: [SEL] Magnet rechargingHi all. I have a question on recharging magnets. When I turn on thecharger and the magnet to be charged turns and lines up; do I place it onthe charger in that position, or do i reverse it? Thanks.Ron Haskellrdhaskell at juno.comRiverside, CaliforniaUSAhttp://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&amp;f=0_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  2 19:01:17 2004
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:01:17 -0700
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction
References: <200412012300380812.0CFFFDE1@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <001901c4d8e4$5c7374b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>

Hi Spencer,

Clue me in on how to list something here. Think I can drag up a nice item or 
two. I am assuming a Holifday auction is much like a Holiday auction. :-)

Jeff Allen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net>
To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>; 
<antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>; 
<farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com>; 
<ford-ferguson at lists.antique-tractor.com>; 
<ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
<steam-engine at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 9:00 PM
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction


> It's on.....
>
>
> The 2004 ATIS Holiday Charity Auction has officially started!!!
>
> We now have a few items up and it is time to get bidding and get your
> donations listed.   By the way, there is a technical note after my
> signature that everyone will need to read.  Also, a few folks have
> indicated they have had a bit of trouble with the pages, but I couldn't
> reproduce them, other than symptoms my note below addresses.   As usual,
> feel free send me an email if you have any question or problem.
>
> Spencer Yost
> Owner, ATIS
> Plow the Net!
> http://www.atis.net
>
> IMPORTANT: Be sure to allow pop-ups if using Windows XP security center!
> OldAuction.com makes extensive use of separate pop-up windows whenever an
> auction item has any type of digital media associated with it(i.e.
> pictures, audio, video, etc). The new security center that came with the 
> XP
> service pack 2 update will block these pop-ups, making it appear as if the
> multimedia content is not loading properly. Be sure to allow pop-ups from
> oldironauction.com. You can feel safe doing so as we will never use pop-up
> windows as a form of advertising or spyware/adware initialization.
>
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From Peterwoodmore at aol.com  Thu Dec  2 23:07:51 2004
From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 02:07:51 EST
Subject: [SEL] IH3M
Message-ID: <1e6.2fbd421c.2ee16ac7@aol.com>

Hey Brian 
If Mossman near Port Douglas is not too far to travel there are two 3hp M's 
under a tree waiting for someone. Email me off line and I will tell you where 

Woody
peterwoodmore at aol.com
27 Craig Av
Moorebank 2170
NSW
Australia


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec  2 17:36:37 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:36:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging
In-Reply-To: <20041202.170708.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20041202.170708.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <C63A582A-44CB-11D9-981F-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Keep it that way.

On Dec 2, 2004, at 8:07 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

> Hi all.  I have a question on recharging magnets.  When I turn on the
> charger and the magnet to be charged turns and lines up; do I place it 
> on
> the charger in that position, or do i reverse it?  Thanks.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Dec  2 19:38:19 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 22:38:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction
In-Reply-To: <200412012300380812.0CFFFDE1@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <200412012300380812.0CFFFDE1@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041202223712.02531128@mail.alltel.net>

For those new to this Charity Auction (and for old timers like me who have 
a problem remembering) the Auction is at: 
http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity
         Dave
PS, Can someone please pass this on to the FATG's? Thanks!

At 11:00 PM 12/1/2004, you wrote:
>It's on.....
>
>
>The 2004 ATIS Holiday Charity Auction has officially started!!!
>
>We now have a few items up and it is time to get bidding and get your
>donations listed.   By the way, there is a technical note after my
>signature that everyone will need to read.  Also, a few folks have
>indicated they have had a bit of trouble with the pages, but I couldn't
>reproduce them, other than symptoms my note below addresses.   As usual,
>feel free send me an email if you have any question or problem.
>
>Spencer Yost
>Owner, ATIS
>Plow the Net!
>http://www.atis.net
>
>IMPORTANT: Be sure to allow pop-ups if using Windows XP security center!
>OldAuction.com makes extensive use of separate pop-up windows whenever an
>auction item has any type of digital media associated with it(i.e.
>pictures, audio, video, etc). The new security center that came with the XP
>service pack 2 update will block these pop-ups, making it appear as if the
>multimedia content is not loading properly. Be sure to allow pop-ups from
>oldironauction.com. You can feel safe doing so as we will never use pop-up
>windows as a form of advertising or spyware/adware initialization.
>
>
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From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Dec  3 05:28:09 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 08:28:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Pictures of Scale Model Gas Engines added to my Website
In-Reply-To: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9D8@email05.bsu.edu>
References: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9D8@email05.bsu.edu>
Message-ID: <41B069E9.2020207@imc-group.com>

Don,
Neat Springfield model! Interesting that it has 5 spoke flywheels. A 
while back we had a discussion about engines with 5 spoke flywheels and 
I don't recall the Springfield being listed along with the others like 
Baker and Ingeco.
Thanks for posting.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


SIEFKER, DONALD L wrote:

>Pictures of Scale Model Gas Engines (8 of them) have been added to my website.  These are photographs that I took at various shows, etc. in 2004.  A very special thanks to Jim, Ken and my family.  I hope you enjoy the photos!  
> 
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker/shows/various-4/
> 
>  
>



From yostsw at atis.net  Fri Dec  3 06:48:55 2004
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 09:48:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041202223712.02531128@mail.alltel.net>
References: <200412012300380812.0CFFFDE1@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041202223712.02531128@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <200412030948550609.1477ECF5@heavyiron.atis.net>

Thanks Dave - I should have included the link in my announcement.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 12/2/2004 at 10:38 PM Dave Rotigel wrote:

>For those new to this Charity Auction (and for old timers like me who
>have 
>a problem remembering) the Auction is at: 
>http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity
>         Dave




From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Fri Dec  3 07:17:53 2004
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:17:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] IH3M
References: <1e6.2fbd421c.2ee16ac7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0c4101c4d94b$45fb53d0$0301a8c0@ALEC>

Woody,
Thats just not fair, post the directions and let us all have a shot at the
engines, I enjoy a good knawing and nashing of the teeth
story,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Alec J. Stevens
Investment Specialist
80 Leighton Road, Suite C
Falmouth, ME 04105
(800)842-6669
(207)797-5169
(207)797-2819
----- Original Message -----
From: <Peterwoodmore at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] IH3M


> Hey Brian
> If Mossman near Port Douglas is not too far to travel there are two 3hp
M's
> under a tree waiting for someone. Email me off line and I will tell you
where
>
> Woody
> peterwoodmore at aol.com
> 27 Craig Av
> Moorebank 2170
> NSW
> Australia
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Dec  3 08:14:11 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 08:14:11 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging
In-Reply-To: <20041202.170708.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200412031614.iB3GEBAg043906@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


> Hi all.  I have a question on recharging magnets.  When I turn on the
> charger and the magnet to be charged turns and lines up; do I 
> place it on the charger in that position, or do i reverse it?  

Hi Ron,
Let it line up the way it wants.  The north pole of your magent will go to the
south pole of your charger,  and the south of the magnet to the north of your
charger.

Warning:  Allowing parts to move around in the proximity of the magnet charger
could pose hazardous.  The magnet could be sucked onto the charger with such
force that something breaks.  Bits could also get thrown to the floor.  

Like Gus said, a compass is a handy tool.  The earth, the magnets, and your
charger all have a north and south pole.  When charging, all you need to
remember is that opposites attract:  N to S, and S to N.

Confusion arises through use of the compass.  The N on the compass is the
north-SEEKING pole. The S is south-SEEKING.  Hold it near your charger, and the
N on the compass points to the north end of your charger.  Same for everything
else.  

Rob






From yostsw at atis.net  Fri Dec  3 08:22:20 2004
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 11:22:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: 7 hp Witt parts
References: <db.1a140372.2ed2bb80@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200412031122200062.14CD864A@heavyiron.atis.net>

Can someone help this fellow??  He is not a list member so you need to
contact him directly at the email address below.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net


*********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE  ***********

On 11/21/2004 at 10:48 PM JEVH33 at aol.com <JEVH33 at aol.com> wrote:

>Hi,  I am restoring a 7hp Witt for a young boy who got the engine from
>his 
>grandfather
>before he died.  The engine sat out in the woods for about 9 years.  The
>head 
>is shot
>as the exaust valve is so rusted in that it has been impossable to remove.
> 
>So I am looking for a head.  If anyone can help me I'm sure the young boy
>would 
>be greatful.
>Please me at: jevh33 at aol.com 

*********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE  ***********



From oldengin at udata.com  Fri Dec  3 09:36:45 2004
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:36:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Pictures of Scale Model Gas Engines added to my Website
In-Reply-To: <41B069E9.2020207@imc-group.com>
References: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9D8@email05.bsu.edu>
	<41B069E9.2020207@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <41B0A42D.2060308@udata.com>

Don, who has the model kits of Springfields? I believe I know who 
handles the others you have pictured...    Good page.

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Fri Dec  3 10:10:56 2004
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 13:10:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Springfield models
References: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9D8@email05.bsu.edu><41B069E9.2020207@imc-group.com>
	<41B0A42D.2060308@udata.com>
Message-ID: <0c8201c4d963$71be8ec0$0301a8c0@ALEC>

Hi, 
 how much are these models worth???
tks

Alec J. Stevens
Investment Specialist
80 Leighton Road, Suite C
Falmouth, ME 04105
(800)842-6669
(207)797-5169
(207)797-2819
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leroy C." <oldengin at udata.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Pictures of Scale Model Gas Engines added to my Website


> Don, who has the model kits of Springfields? I believe I know who 
> handles the others you have pictured...    Good page.
> 
> -- 
> C-ya
> 
>   Leroy Clark
> 
> "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
>             W.A. NANCE
> 
> 
> better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 



From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  2 18:52:38 2004
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:52:38 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging
References: <20041202.170708.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c4d8e3$26f91390$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>

Ron,

Doc's book says slowly lower the magnet suspended on a string and let it 
align itself to the correct poles while the charger is on. Then charge it. I 
can scan the page and send it if you like.

Jeff Allen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 6:07 PM
Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging


> Hi all.  I have a question on recharging magnets.  When I turn on the
> charger and the magnet to be charged turns and lines up; do I place it on
> the charger in that position, or do i reverse it?  Thanks.
>
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  3 11:06:59 2004
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 19:06:59 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: 7 hp Witt parts
In-Reply-To: <200412031122200062.14CD864A@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F29B05D992DDAC7AD275192C8B10@phx.gbl>

Hi There,

Just because the exhaust valve is stuck doesn't mean that the head is no 
good. There are many methods that could be used to remove the exhaust valve. 
  You could drill it out, use heat by throwing the head in a hot bed of 
coals and covering it with the hot coals then let it totally cool off until 
you can remove it by hand, or you could use the electrolysis method.  A new 
exhaust valve could be made easily.  Take your time and have patience as it 
took 9 years for the exhaust valve to become stuck, it won't become unstuck 
overnight.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
==============

>From: "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] Fwd: 7 hp Witt parts
>Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 11:22:20 -0500
>
>Can someone help this fellow??  He is not a list member so you need to
>contact him directly at the email address below.
>
>Spencer Yost
>Owner, ATIS
>Plow the Net!
>http://www.atis.net
>
>
>*********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE  ***********
>
>On 11/21/2004 at 10:48 PM JEVH33 at aol.com <JEVH33 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi,  I am restoring a 7hp Witt for a young boy who got the engine from
> >his
> >grandfather
> >before he died.  The engine sat out in the woods for about 9 years.  The
> >head
> >is shot
> >as the exaust valve is so rusted in that it has been impossable to 
>remove.
> >
> >So I am looking for a head.  If anyone can help me I'm sure the young boy
> >would
> >be greatful.
> >Please me at: jevh33 at aol.com
>




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Dec  3 12:30:31 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:30:31 EST
Subject: [SEL] Johnson Utilimotor Restoration Up Date.
Message-ID: <e0.7f9fe6b.2ee226e7@aol.com>

Hi,
I finally managed to get my Johnson Utilimotor disassembled.   However, the 
piston is still stuck in the cylinder.  It is heavily  rusted.  It has been 
soaking in automatic transmission fluid for a few  weeks.  Perhaps, it is time to 
get the heat wench.
This engine has a WICO Model F magneto.  For several days I  have been trying 
to figure out how the thing works.  This morning, I made a  trip to the local 
magneto shop.  Fortunately, they were able to explain to  me in layman's term 
how this magneto works.  The problem I was  having is that I didn't realize 
that intra part of the magneto rotated between  the coils and part of the 
rotating rotor segment activated the  points.  Once we were able to get this intra 
segment to rotate, then  everything started to make sense.
I would like to publicly thank all of the various members that have  been 
kind enough to answer my inquiries and trying to make me  a more informed person. 
 I have found out that wording  the question correctly is as important 
getting an answer.  Working on  this old iron sure keeps the brain cells active.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria,  California



From marvhed at ecenet.com  Fri Dec  3 12:50:36 2004
From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:50:36 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] Springfield models
In-Reply-To: <0c8201c4d963$71be8ec0$0301a8c0@ALEC>
References: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9D8@email05.bsu.edu><41B069E9.2020207@imc-group.com><41B0A42D.2060308@udata.com>
	<0c8201c4d963$71be8ec0$0301a8c0@ALEC>
Message-ID: <46971.199.62.0.252.1102107036.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>

i believe that wayne grenning scaled and made all of the springfield models.
as far as i know, no kits were avalible.

marv in minn

>
>> Don, who has the model kits of Springfields? I believe I know who
>> handles the others you have pictured...    Good page.
>>
>> --
>> C-ya
>>
>>   Leroy Clark
>>



From mraasch at hickorytech.net  Fri Dec  3 12:54:02 2004
From: mraasch at hickorytech.net (Marc Raasch)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:54:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <001101c4d97a$386e3280$edff72d8@hickorytech.net>

just checking if I have the right address to post
mraasch at hickorytech.net



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec  2 21:20:37 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 00:20:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help
In-Reply-To: <20041202.205139.852.3.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20041202.205139.852.3.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <111094E9-44EB-11D9-981F-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Yep!

As for its "nature" that's being "denatured," I suppose it's worth 
noting that the word "alcohol" derives from the Arabic "al ghol," "the 
demon."

  :-)

John

On Dec 2, 2004, at 8:39 PM, jlb94 at juno.com wrote:

>> But there are several other approved ingredients for
> "denaturants." The purpose is to make you sick as hell if you drink it
> so you won't. If the alcohol's nondrinkable, the BATFE exempts it from
> Federal liquor taxes.<
> =        =        =        =        =        =        =        =       
>  =
>
> Thanks John,
> Is that all the word "denatured" means ?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Dec  3 13:12:17 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 13:12:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging
Message-ID: <20041203.131217.141.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Jeff.
If I get the magnet with in three inches of the charger it is pulled out
of my hands and slams into the charger.
We charged the EK last night, magnetism greatly increased but still no
spark.  Time to dig deeper.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside California USA
http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/

On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:52:38 -0700 "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
writes:
> Ron,
> 
> Doc's book says slowly lower the magnet suspended on a string and 
> let it 
> align itself to the correct poles while the charger is on. Then 
> charge it. I 
> can scan the page and send it if you like.
> 
> Jeff Allen
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 6:07 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging


From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Dec  3 14:06:59 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 17:06:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging
In-Reply-To: <20041203.131217.141.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20041203.131217.141.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041203170549.02355c68@mail.alltel.net>

At 04:12 PM 12/3/2004, you wrote:
>Thanks Jeff.
>If I get the magnet with in three inches of the charger it is pulled out
>of my hands and slams into the charger.
>We charged the EK last night, magnetism greatly increased but still no
>spark.  Time to dig deeper.
>Ron Haskell

Hi Ron, Change the condenser. NAPA has one that will fit inside the 
case--and any of them will work fine.
         Dave 



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Dec  3 17:06:04 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 17:06:04 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging
Message-ID: <20041203.170605.1336.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Dave.  This mag belongs to a friend of mine.  He just wanted me to
recharge the magnets, he had two of the little condensers that look like
a small coin with two wires sticking out.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 17:06:59 -0500 Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
writes:
 
> Hi Ron, Change the condenser. NAPA has one that will fit inside the 
> 
> case--and any of them will work fine.
>          Dave 
>


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Dec  3 19:34:11 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 22:34:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: 7 hp Witt parts
Message-ID: <20041203.223817.1244.6.jlb94@juno.com>

The
>head 
>is shot
>as the exaust valve is so rusted in that it has been impossable to
remove.
=        =        =        =        =        =        =        =
There are many wys to remove a stuck valve - No matter how bad.
A lot of patience - time - persuasion - heat - cold - electrolysis - etc
- etc will get that valve out.
Don't scrap a head just because things get a little difficult.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
\/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From transteck at earthlink.net  Fri Dec  3 19:56:13 2004
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:56:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction
References: <200412012300380812.0CFFFDE1@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041202223712.02531128@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <000601c4d9b5$33440420$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>

Thanks Dave.

My first item is up, and bid often. Hate to part with it but it's for a good 
cause. Pictures seem to work, but can see at:
http://frapa.us/atis01.jpg  just in case. Ain't quite like e-bay but got it 
up for sale. I'll quick ship to the USA if this is a Christmas gift.

If I owned a tractor would I be a FATG? Can I put up stuff for those people 
on this auction? Have a really nice mag I could put up.

Regards,

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado USA

http://oldengine.org/members/allen/
http://frapa.us/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction


> For those new to this Charity Auction (and for old timers like me who have 
> a problem remembering) the Auction is at: 
> http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity
>         Dave
> PS, Can someone please pass this on to the FATG's? Thanks!
>
> At 11:00 PM 12/1/2004, you wrote:
>>It's on.....
>>
>>
>>The 2004 ATIS Holiday Charity Auction has officially started!!!
>>
>>We now have a few items up and it is time to get bidding and get your
>>donations listed.   By the way, there is a technical note after my
>>signature that everyone will need to read.  Also, a few folks have
>>indicated they have had a bit of trouble with the pages, but I couldn't
>>reproduce them, other than symptoms my note below addresses.   As usual,
>>feel free send me an email if you have any question or problem.
>>
>>Spencer Yost
>>Owner, ATIS
>>Plow the Net!
>>http://www.atis.net
>>
>>IMPORTANT: Be sure to allow pop-ups if using Windows XP security center!
>>OldAuction.com makes extensive use of separate pop-up windows whenever an
>>auction item has any type of digital media associated with it(i.e.
>>pictures, audio, video, etc). The new security center that came with the 
>>XP
>>service pack 2 update will block these pop-ups, making it appear as if the
>>multimedia content is not loading properly. Be sure to allow pop-ups from
>>oldironauction.com. You can feel safe doing so as we will never use pop-up
>>windows as a form of advertising or spyware/adware initialization.
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Dec  1 20:22:33 2004
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 21:22:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fwd
Message-ID: <001501c4d826$8c7b3c60$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>

Hi all,

Don't know why I get these, but here it is. Will try to dig out the reply address for all and post it at the end of message. If that don't work, contact me, and I'll figure it out. 

""
Jeff,

I need some help. Would you please point me in the right direction?

My father bought an EB steam engine from an old sawmill in northern Georgia in the late 70's and paid $5,500 for it. My dad has been in a nursing home for several years now, and my mom wants to sell the land, and there sits this big steam engine on it (it is in Georgia). We would love to sell it. Do you think there is a market for it?

It is a "portable" (it has wheels). The front wheels are missing (if they ever existed) but the large back wheels are there. In fact, my Dad got the thing running years ago with the help of a steam engine enthusiast friend, so I know it has all its necessary parts to run. It's just been sitting there ever since, so I assume it is rusted.

It is a Emerson-Brantingham 60 hp portable. The firebox has two numbers on it: 18103 and 81930. There are two numbers on the front of what I think is referred to as the boiler :923G and 0154G. The wheels are 39" in diameter and the whole thing is about 14' 16" long. My mother is going to send me a photo of it.  

Do you know anything about this steam engine? I appreciate any advice you are willing to offer me.

Donna Turk
Lee's Summit, MO

""

Reply to: Jacob Turk
E-mail Address(es):
  JTURK1 at kc.rr.com

Think that will work. 

Jeff Allen

From oldengin at udata.com  Sat Dec  4 02:53:45 2004
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 05:53:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: 7 hp Witt parts
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F29B05D992DDAC7AD275192C8B10@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY101-F29B05D992DDAC7AD275192C8B10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41B19739.2090301@udata.com>

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Hi There,
>
>   Take your time and have patience as it took 9 years for the exhaust 
> valve to become stuck, it won't become unstuck overnight.
>
Hmmmmm  I thinks it could become unstuck over night with some good ole 
use of the blue wrench and water. Right TED!

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Dec  4 03:49:39 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 06:49:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction
In-Reply-To: <000601c4d9b5$33440420$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>
References: <200412012300380812.0CFFFDE1@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041202223712.02531128@mail.alltel.net>
	<000601c4d9b5$33440420$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>
Message-ID: <9409AEEC-45EA-11D9-8A06-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> If I owned a tractor would I be a FATG?

If you have to ask, certainly.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From mraasch at hickorytech.net  Sat Dec  4 14:09:00 2004
From: mraasch at hickorytech.net (Marc Raasch)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 16:09:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Lesuer Swap meet
Message-ID: <006001c4da4d$dbf7bec0$edff72d8@hickorytech.net>

Does any body know the dates of the Pioneer Power swap meet?
I think it is the last wk end of April 21-22-23
mraascn at hickorytech.net



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Dec  4 14:49:21 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 17:49:21 EST
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Item - Remote Start System - Additional
	Information
Message-ID: <142.3a4b2792.2ee398f1@aol.com>

Hi,
The Bulldog Security remote start system that is on the Charity  Auction is 
NOS.  This item is still in the original box and never been  installed.  It 
actually has two added functions plus remote start  capability.  Not all 
functions have to be used.  If you have an  automobile or truck with power locks, it 
can be wired to remotely open or close  the door locks.  The same is true to 
remotely  open the trunk  which has the electric opening feature.  The remote 
has  adjustable runtime.  This unit was originally purchased in 1999 from  
Heartland America.
I don't believe that this unit will work with a carbureted engine  because of 
the choke and fast idle circuits - only fuel injected  engines are 
compatible.  I am not sure that it will work with a diesel  engine.
You have to get the wiring schematic for your vehicle from Bulldog  Security 
if you don't have a wiring diagram.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria,  California



From b2 at chooka.net  Sat Dec  4 16:33:35 2004
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 18:33:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Lesuer Swap meet
References: <006001c4da4d$dbf7bec0$edff72d8@hickorytech.net>
Message-ID: <003f01c4da62$11604af0$650aa8c0@BILLPC>

Yep, that's the weekend, already got it on the calendar and hope to keep it
open!

B?
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, Minnesota USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marc Raasch" <mraasch at hickorytech.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 4:09 PM
Subject: [SEL] Lesuer Swap meet


> Does any body know the dates of the Pioneer Power swap meet?
> I think it is the last wk end of April 21-22-23
> mraascn at hickorytech.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Dec  4 18:48:43 2004
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:48:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction
References: <200412012300380812.0CFFFDE1@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041202223712.02531128@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <001b01c4da74$ef6e20d0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>

Golly,

Shame shame shame, lame lame lame.

Only 9 items for auction and too of them ar myne. Even if it is a Holifday 
Charity Auction, it's still for charity. Get off your buts and putt sumthing 
up or bid.

Gomer

aka
Jeff Allen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction


> For those new to this Charity Auction (and for old timers like me who have 
> a problem remembering) the Auction is at: 
> http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity
>         Dave
> PS, Can someone please pass this on to the FATG's? Thanks!
>
> At 11:00 PM 12/1/2004, you wrote:
>>It's on.....
>>
>>
>>The 2004 ATIS Holiday Charity Auction has officially started!!!
>>
>>We now have a few items up and it is time to get bidding and get your
>>donations listed.   By the way, there is a technical note after my
>>signature that everyone will need to read.  Also, a few folks have
>>indicated they have had a bit of trouble with the pages, but I couldn't
>>reproduce them, other than symptoms my note below addresses.   As usual,
>>feel free send me an email if you have any question or problem.
>>
>>Spencer Yost
>>Owner, ATIS
>>Plow the Net!
>>http://www.atis.net
>>
>>IMPORTANT: Be sure to allow pop-ups if using Windows XP security center!
>>OldAuction.com makes extensive use of separate pop-up windows whenever an
>>auction item has any type of digital media associated with it(i.e.
>>pictures, audio, video, etc). The new security center that came with the 
>>XP
>>service pack 2 update will block these pop-ups, making it appear as if the
>>multimedia content is not loading properly. Be sure to allow pop-ups from
>>oldironauction.com. You can feel safe doing so as we will never use pop-up
>>windows as a form of advertising or spyware/adware initialization.
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From b2 at chooka.net  Sat Dec  4 19:10:05 2004
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 21:10:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction - trouble posting
References: <200412012300380812.0CFFFDE1@heavyiron.atis.net><6.1.2.0.0.20041202223712.02531128@mail.alltel.net>
	<001b01c4da74$ef6e20d0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>
Message-ID: <007401c4da77$ec00df20$650aa8c0@BILLPC>

Been trying to post items this evening, after a real long wait when I press
the Preview button, I keep getting
Short Read: wanted 8292, got 2816
Wonder if others are having trouble, too.  I've posted OK years past, and
sell regularly on eBay.  Haven't even got XP SP2 to blame, SP2 is not
compatible with my notebook video.

Will try again another day...

B?
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, Minnesota USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction


> Golly,
>
> Shame shame shame, lame lame lame.
>
> Only 9 items for auction and too of them ar myne. Even if it is a Holifday
> Charity Auction, it's still for charity. Get off your buts and putt
sumthing
> up or bid.
>
> Gomer
>
> aka
> Jeff Allen
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction
>
>
> > For those new to this Charity Auction (and for old timers like me who
have
> > a problem remembering) the Auction is at:
> > http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity
> >         Dave
> > PS, Can someone please pass this on to the FATG's? Thanks!
> >
> > At 11:00 PM 12/1/2004, you wrote:
> >>It's on.....
> >>
> >>
> >>The 2004 ATIS Holiday Charity Auction has officially started!!!
> >>
> >>We now have a few items up and it is time to get bidding and get your
> >>donations listed.   By the way, there is a technical note after my
> >>signature that everyone will need to read.  Also, a few folks have
> >>indicated they have had a bit of trouble with the pages, but I couldn't
> >>reproduce them, other than symptoms my note below addresses.   As usual,
> >>feel free send me an email if you have any question or problem.
> >>
> >>Spencer Yost
> >>Owner, ATIS
> >>Plow the Net!
> >>http://www.atis.net
> >>
> >>IMPORTANT: Be sure to allow pop-ups if using Windows XP security center!
> >>OldAuction.com makes extensive use of separate pop-up windows whenever
an
> >>auction item has any type of digital media associated with it(i.e.
> >>pictures, audio, video, etc). The new security center that came with the
> >>XP
> >>service pack 2 update will block these pop-ups, making it appear as if
the
> >>multimedia content is not loading properly. Be sure to allow pop-ups
from
> >>oldironauction.com. You can feel safe doing so as we will never use
pop-up
> >>windows as a form of advertising or spyware/adware initialization.
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>SEL mailing list
> >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Dec  4 19:40:54 2004
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 20:40:54 -0700
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction - trouble posting
References: <200412012300380812.0CFFFDE1@heavyiron.atis.net><6.1.2.0.0.20041202223712.02531128@mail.alltel.net><001b01c4da74$ef6e20d0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>
	<007401c4da77$ec00df20$650aa8c0@BILLPC>
Message-ID: <000601c4da7c$39cf3fe0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>

Bill and others,

Had the same problem. Give the server about half an hour after you register 
if you're new like me. Once that's done it works except for the picture 
part. I just put them on a server I use and linked. For those that can't do 
that? Spencer?

Five of nine from two people, and I know the other person.

SHAME, SHAME, SHAME, LAME, LAME, LAME.

Won't ride this nag again cause I done my part.

Later all,

JHB, PHD

aka
Jeff Allen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Brueck" <b2 at chooka.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 8:10 PM
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction - trouble posting


> Been trying to post items this evening, after a real long wait when I 
> press
> the Preview button, I keep getting
> Short Read: wanted 8292, got 2816
> Wonder if others are having trouble, too.  I've posted OK years past, and
> sell regularly on eBay.  Haven't even got XP SP2 to blame, SP2 is not
> compatible with my notebook video.
>
> Will try again another day...
>
> B?
> Bill Brueck (brick)
> Chatfield, Minnesota USA
>
> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 8:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction
>
>
>> Golly,
>>
>> Shame shame shame, lame lame lame.
>>
>> Only 9 items for auction and too of them ar myne. Even if it is a 
>> Holifday
>> Charity Auction, it's still for charity. Get off your buts and putt
> sumthing
>> up or bid.
>>
>> Gomer
>>
>> aka
>> Jeff Allen
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction
>>
>>
>> > For those new to this Charity Auction (and for old timers like me who
> have
>> > a problem remembering) the Auction is at:
>> > http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity
>> >         Dave
>> > PS, Can someone please pass this on to the FATG's? Thanks!
>> >
>> > At 11:00 PM 12/1/2004, you wrote:
>> >>It's on.....
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>The 2004 ATIS Holiday Charity Auction has officially started!!!
>> >>
>> >>We now have a few items up and it is time to get bidding and get your
>> >>donations listed.   By the way, there is a technical note after my
>> >>signature that everyone will need to read.  Also, a few folks have
>> >>indicated they have had a bit of trouble with the pages, but I couldn't
>> >>reproduce them, other than symptoms my note below addresses.   As 
>> >>usual,
>> >>feel free send me an email if you have any question or problem.
>> >>
>> >>Spencer Yost
>> >>Owner, ATIS
>> >>Plow the Net!
>> >>http://www.atis.net
>> >>
>> >>IMPORTANT: Be sure to allow pop-ups if using Windows XP security 
>> >>center!
>> >>OldAuction.com makes extensive use of separate pop-up windows whenever
> an
>> >>auction item has any type of digital media associated with it(i.e.
>> >>pictures, audio, video, etc). The new security center that came with 
>> >>the
>> >>XP
>> >>service pack 2 update will block these pop-ups, making it appear as if
> the
>> >>multimedia content is not loading properly. Be sure to allow pop-ups
> from
>> >>oldironauction.com. You can feel safe doing so as we will never use
> pop-up
>> >>windows as a form of advertising or spyware/adware initialization.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>_______________________________________________
>> >>SEL mailing list
>> >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From b2 at chooka.net  Sat Dec  4 19:45:59 2004
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 21:45:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction - trouble posting
References: <200412012300380812.0CFFFDE1@heavyiron.atis.net><6.1.2.0.0.20041202223712.02531128@mail.alltel.net><001b01c4da74$ef6e20d0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221><007401c4da77$ec00df20$650aa8c0@BILLPC>
	<000601c4da7c$39cf3fe0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>
Message-ID: <008601c4da7c$efffb8d0$650aa8c0@BILLPC>

I wondered if the picture was the problem, will stick them on a linked
server when I get a chance and try that route.

B?
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, Minnesota USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction - trouble posting


> Bill and others,
>
> Had the same problem. Give the server about half an hour after you
register
> if you're new like me. Once that's done it works except for the picture
> part. I just put them on a server I use and linked. For those that can't
do
> that? Spencer?
>
> Five of nine from two people, and I know the other person.
>
> SHAME, SHAME, SHAME, LAME, LAME, LAME.
>
> Won't ride this nag again cause I done my part.
>
> Later all,
>
> JHB, PHD
>
> aka
> Jeff Allen
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bill Brueck" <b2 at chooka.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 8:10 PM
> Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction - trouble posting
>
>
> > Been trying to post items this evening, after a real long wait when I
> > press
> > the Preview button, I keep getting
> > Short Read: wanted 8292, got 2816
> > Wonder if others are having trouble, too.  I've posted OK years past,
and
> > sell regularly on eBay.  Haven't even got XP SP2 to blame, SP2 is not
> > compatible with my notebook video.
> >
> > Will try again another day...
> >
> > B?
> > Bill Brueck (brick)
> > Chatfield, Minnesota USA
> >
> > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 8:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction
> >
> >
> >> Golly,
> >>
> >> Shame shame shame, lame lame lame.
> >>
> >> Only 9 items for auction and too of them ar myne. Even if it is a
> >> Holifday
> >> Charity Auction, it's still for charity. Get off your buts and putt
> > sumthing
> >> up or bid.
> >>
> >> Gomer
> >>
> >> aka
> >> Jeff Allen
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:38 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction
> >>
> >>
> >> > For those new to this Charity Auction (and for old timers like me who
> > have
> >> > a problem remembering) the Auction is at:
> >> > http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity
> >> >         Dave
> >> > PS, Can someone please pass this on to the FATG's? Thanks!
> >> >
> >> > At 11:00 PM 12/1/2004, you wrote:
> >> >>It's on.....
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>The 2004 ATIS Holiday Charity Auction has officially started!!!
> >> >>
> >> >>We now have a few items up and it is time to get bidding and get your
> >> >>donations listed.   By the way, there is a technical note after my
> >> >>signature that everyone will need to read.  Also, a few folks have
> >> >>indicated they have had a bit of trouble with the pages, but I
couldn't
> >> >>reproduce them, other than symptoms my note below addresses.   As
> >> >>usual,
> >> >>feel free send me an email if you have any question or problem.
> >> >>
> >> >>Spencer Yost
> >> >>Owner, ATIS
> >> >>Plow the Net!
> >> >>http://www.atis.net
> >> >>
> >> >>IMPORTANT: Be sure to allow pop-ups if using Windows XP security
> >> >>center!
> >> >>OldAuction.com makes extensive use of separate pop-up windows
whenever
> > an
> >> >>auction item has any type of digital media associated with it(i.e.
> >> >>pictures, audio, video, etc). The new security center that came with
> >> >>the
> >> >>XP
> >> >>service pack 2 update will block these pop-ups, making it appear as
if
> > the
> >> >>multimedia content is not loading properly. Be sure to allow pop-ups
> > from
> >> >>oldironauction.com. You can feel safe doing so as we will never use
> > pop-up
> >> >>windows as a form of advertising or spyware/adware initialization.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>_______________________________________________
> >> >>SEL mailing list
> >> >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > SEL mailing list
> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From wilson at stny.rr.com  Sat Dec  4 22:47:52 2004
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 01:47:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?
Message-ID: <GAEKIMAIANIDDENKHPAOCEDKNGAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>

What do you call the tool that used to make siding for houses?
It has a wooden handle and a cutting edge 90 degrees to the handle.
They would pound this thing into the end of a log and then crank
the handle back and forth to split the log..
Thanks, Glenn

From f86sabre at kcweb.net  Sat Dec  4 22:44:31 2004
From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (F86SABRE)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:44:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?
References: <GAEKIMAIANIDDENKHPAOCEDKNGAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c4da95$e280a340$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>

It was and is called a froe.
Dan Bousman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Wilson" <wilson at stny.rr.com>
To: ".Newsgroup ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 12:47 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?


> What do you call the tool that used to make siding for houses?
> It has a wooden handle and a cutting edge 90 degrees to the handle.
> They would pound this thing into the end of a log and then crank
> the handle back and forth to split the log..
> Thanks, Glenn
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From b2 at chooka.net  Sat Dec  4 22:47:17 2004
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:47:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?
References: <GAEKIMAIANIDDENKHPAOCEDKNGAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c4da96$439982a0$650aa8c0@BILLPC>

Adz: a cutting tool that has a thin arched blade set at right angles to the
handle and is used chiefly for shaping wood.

This what you're looking for?

B?
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, Minnesota USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Wilson" <wilson at stny.rr.com>
To: ".Newsgroup ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 12:47 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?


> What do you call the tool that used to make siding for houses?
> It has a wooden handle and a cutting edge 90 degrees to the handle.
> They would pound this thing into the end of a log and then crank
> the handle back and forth to split the log..
> Thanks, Glenn
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From b2 at chooka.net  Sat Dec  4 22:48:55 2004
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:48:55 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?
References: <GAEKIMAIANIDDENKHPAOCEDKNGAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
	<000a01c4da95$e280a340$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>
Message-ID: <001301c4da96$7d720330$650aa8c0@BILLPC>

Froe: a cleaving tool for splitting cask staves and shingles from the block

So would that be the same thing as the adz?  Or maybe a specialized version
of an adz?

B?
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, Minnesota USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "F86SABRE" <f86sabre at kcweb.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?


> It was and is called a froe.
> Dan Bousman
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Glenn Wilson" <wilson at stny.rr.com>
> To: ".Newsgroup ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 12:47 AM
> Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?
>
>
> > What do you call the tool that used to make siding for houses?
> > It has a wooden handle and a cutting edge 90 degrees to the handle.
> > They would pound this thing into the end of a log and then crank
> > the handle back and forth to split the log..
> > Thanks, Glenn
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Dec  4 23:03:03 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 02:03:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?
In-Reply-To: <001301c4da96$7d720330$650aa8c0@BILLPC>
References: <GAEKIMAIANIDDENKHPAOCEDKNGAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
	<000a01c4da95$e280a340$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>
	<001301c4da96$7d720330$650aa8c0@BILLPC>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205020239.0251bda0@mail.alltel.net>

At 01:48 AM 12/5/2004, you wrote:
>Froe: a cleaving tool for splitting cask staves and shingles from the block
>So would that be the same thing as the adz?  Or maybe a specialized version
>of an adz?
>B?

NO!
         Dave 




From garyepps at fidnet.com  Sat Dec  4 23:38:00 2004
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 01:38:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?
In-Reply-To: <001301c4da96$7d720330$650aa8c0@BILLPC>
References: <GAEKIMAIANIDDENKHPAOCEDKNGAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>	<000a01c4da95$e280a340$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>
	<001301c4da96$7d720330$650aa8c0@BILLPC>
Message-ID: <41B2BAD8.8000909@fidnet.com>

Bill, adz is used to shape wood while a froe is used to split wood.  As 
in a split shake shingle.  The adz is used with a somewhat of a chopping 
motion like a hoe or mattock while the froe is struck with a club or 
mallet usually made of wood.  The adz is used to "hollow out" wood in 
much the same way a scorp does on a smaller scale.  Admittedly the scorp 
   is used with a pulling motion.  You might use a scorp to hollow out 
the bottom of a wood chair while you might use an adz to hollow out a 
log to make a canoe or boat.

Gary

Bill Brueck wrote:
> Froe: a cleaving tool for splitting cask staves and shingles from the block
> 
> So would that be the same thing as the adz?  Or maybe a specialized version
> of an adz?
> 
> B?
> Bill Brueck (brick)
> Chatfield, Minnesota USA
> 
> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "F86SABRE" <f86sabre at kcweb.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 12:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?
> 
> 
> 
>>It was and is called a froe.
>>Dan Bousman
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Glenn Wilson" <wilson at stny.rr.com>
>>To: ".Newsgroup ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 12:47 AM
>>Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?
>>
>>
>>
>>>What do you call the tool that used to make siding for houses?
>>>It has a wooden handle and a cutting edge 90 degrees to the handle.
>>>They would pound this thing into the end of a log and then crank
>>>the handle back and forth to split the log..
>>>Thanks, Glenn
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 

-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Dec  5 04:42:16 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:42:16 -0000
Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?
References: <GAEKIMAIANIDDENKHPAOCEDKNGAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>	<000a01c4da95$e280a340$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv><001301c4da96$7d720330$650aa8c0@BILLPC>
	<41B2BAD8.8000909@fidnet.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c4dac7$db215b80$8c9f0952@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Epps" <garyepps at fidnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?


> Bill, adz is used to shape wood while a froe is used to split wood.  As 
> in a split shake shingle.  The adz is used with a somewhat of a chopping 
> motion like a hoe or mattock while the froe is struck with a club or 
> mallet usually made of wood.  The adz is used to "hollow out" wood in 
> much the same way a scorp does on a smaller scale.  Admittedly the scorp 
>    is used with a pulling motion.  You might use a scorp to hollow out 
> the bottom of a wood chair while you might use an adz to hollow out a 
> log to make a canoe or boat.
> Gary

I have copied two photos onto a print on my Webshots temp folder.
see http://community.webshots.com/album/130641573UmLWSW
Might take 30 minuits to appear.
(Froe Adz)
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From wilson at stny.rr.com  Sun Dec  5 08:42:17 2004
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:42:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?
In-Reply-To: <002a01c4dac7$db215b80$8c9f0952@no1>
Message-ID: <GAEKIMAIANIDDENKHPAOMEDMNGAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>

Thanks to all who answered.. Froe is what I will be looking for.
Glenn Wilson




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Dec  5 08:38:05 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 11:38:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Marvel 9A Horizontal Power Hacksaw
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205113555.021beb90@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
	I just "won" this thing on e-bay thanks to Arnie. Anyone have any 
information on it? See: 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3856476779
	Dave 



From christison at coastalnet.com  Sun Dec  5 09:13:52 2004
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:13:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Marvel 9A Horizontal Power Hacksaw
Message-ID: <410-220041205171352781@coastalnet.com>


Looks like quite a machine!  Here is all I have on that:
http://www.oldiron-nut.com/temp/marvel-9A.jpg

Take care.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 12/5/2004 11:45:09 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Marvel 9A Horizontal Power Hacksaw
>
> Hi All,
> 	I just "won" this thing on e-bay




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Dec  5 09:26:35 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 09:26:35 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Marvel 9A Horizontal Power Hacksaw
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205113555.021beb90@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <200412051726.iB5HQZa1081924@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


> 	I just "won" this thing on e-bay thanks to Arnie. 
> Anyone have any information on it? See: 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3856476779
> 	Dave 

Hi Dave,
You've just purchased a horizontal power hacksaw.  It's a Marvel model 9A.  The
capacity is nine inches.  It was manufactured by Armstrong Blum, and has a two
horsepower motor that runs at 1750 rpm.  It's a dual voltage, 115/230 single
phase motor that draws 25/12.5 amps.  

Rob


=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 










From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Dec  5 10:22:09 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 13:22:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Marvel 9A Horizontal Power Hacksaw
In-Reply-To: <410-220041205171352781@coastalnet.com>
References: <410-220041205171352781@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205131840.021d5538@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Ken,
         That's the sort of info that I need. However, I can't read it. Can 
you tell me what the weight of the 9A is please? The seller thinks it 
weighs 4,000 lbs. I would guess it's more like 2,000 lbs.? Thanks!
         Dave

At 12:13 PM 12/5/2004, you wrote:

>Looks like quite a machine!  Here is all I have on that:
>http://www.oldiron-nut.com/temp/marvel-9A.jpg
>
>Take care.
>
>Ken
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
> > To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 12/5/2004 11:45:09 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] Marvel 9A Horizontal Power Hacksaw
> >
> > Hi All,
> >       I just "won" this thing on e-bay
>
>
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From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Sun Dec  5 10:26:35 2004
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:26:35 EST
Subject: [SEL] Marvel 9A Horizontal Power Hacksaw
Message-ID: <1d6.31787a19.2ee4acdb@aol.com>


Hi Dave,
Nice hacksaw.  I wonder about the weight, though.  The seller says 4,000 LB 
which is as nothing to the kinds of loads you usually haul but I wonder if your 
saw has a solid cast iron base in order to weigh that much.  Do you know?
Regards,
Ron in beautiful Northern Missouri where the temperature yesterday got into 
the 50's.
(and today is thinking of spitting snow at us)

In a message dated 12/5/2004 11:27:43 AM Central Standard Time, 
rskinner at rustyiron.com writes:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3856476779


From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Dec  5 10:39:32 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 13:39:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Marvel 9A Horizontal Power Hacksaw
In-Reply-To: <1d6.31787a19.2ee4acdb@aol.com>
References: <1d6.31787a19.2ee4acdb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205133548.02361900@mail.alltel.net>


>Hi Dave,
>Nice hacksaw.  I wonder about the weight, though.  The seller says 4,000 LB
>which is as nothing to the kinds of loads you usually haul but I wonder if 
>your
>saw has a solid cast iron base in order to weigh that much.  Do you know?
>Regards,
>Ron in beautiful Northern Missouri where the temperature yesterday got into
>the 50's.
>(and today is thinking of spitting snow at us)

The literature that Ken posted to the List indicates that the saw is about 
3,000 lbs. (I finally figured out how the enlarge it so that I could read 
it.) I think the base must be cast iron--but surely NOT solid! I'll take 
the 7,000 gvw trailer. It weighs just over 2,200 lbs, so I'll be well w/in 
the limit.
         Dave



From oldiron at charter.net  Sat Dec  4 16:00:00 2004
From: oldiron at charter.net (OldIron)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 18:00:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Le Sueur Swap meet
In-Reply-To: <006001c4da4d$dbf7bec0$edff72d8@hickorytech.net>
Message-ID: <000001c4da5d$5e47e440$6401a8c0@myron>

According to the web site.

April 22, 23, 24, 2005
http://www.pioneerpowershow.com/swapmeet.html

Photo's at of atis members are on Bill site.
http://www.apluscomputer.com/atis/

Myron Busch
Northfield Mn.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Marc Raasch
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 4:09 PM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Lesuer Swap meet
> 
> 
> Does any body know the dates of the Pioneer Power swap meet?
> I think it is the last wk end of April 21-22-23 
> mraascn at hickorytech.net
> 
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Dec  5 18:20:37 2004
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 19:20:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Auction, OT?
Message-ID: <001f01c4db3a$2cf953a0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>

Hi all,

Off topic item, but I'll put em up for auction if anyone can use them. Canon BCI-6Y, BCI-BK, BCI-C, BCI-PC, two BCI-6M printer cartridges. I am speaking of the charity auction here. Cheap bastards on e-bay had there chance. Trash can or ATIS auction? Can anyone use these?

Jeff Allen

From alanb2 at webtv.net  Sun Dec  5 06:13:11 2004
From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 09:13:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?
In-Reply-To: Gary Epps <garyepps@fidnet.com>'s message of Sun, 05 Dec 2004
	01:38:00 -0600
Message-ID: <6646-41B31777-10@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net>

So, Who has an extra Froe to put on the Charity Auction?

I have several Adzes SP?    Just what is the plurel of adz????

We used to take 8X8 wood beams and use an adz to give them a hand hewn
look.  I did a LOT of them that way.

Alan Bowen  alanb2 at webtv.net
Williamsburg, Michigan
http://community.webtv.net/alanb2/ATISAuctionItems



From alanb2 at webtv.net  Sun Dec  5 11:46:46 2004
From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:46:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Marvel 9A Horizontal Power Hacksaw
In-Reply-To: Dave Rotigel <rotigel@alltel.net>'s message of Sun, 05 Dec
	2004 11:38:05 -0500
Message-ID: <13602-41B365A6-805@storefull-3276.bay.webtv.net>

Wow Dave,

That looks like a beast.  I suppose it could be a fun toy though.

Last year I got an old flat belt powered on that must weigh 500-650
pounds.

This year at the Buckley Fall swap meet I got another one that was
powered from a line shaft and weighs in around 200 pounds.  That is the
one I will be taking to shows to play with.

I also was given an old wood lathe by the Buckley Club.  I need to find
the stuff to build a line shaft that I can set up and take down for
shows.

This long narrow wood lathe must have had some dedicated use in the
past.

Have fun with your "new" toy.

Alan Bowen

~~~~~~Dave?Rotigel wrote~~~~

Hi All, 
????????????????I just "won" this thing
on e-bay thanks to Arnie. Anyone have any information on it? See: 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3856476779 ? ?
? 
Dave 
------------------------------------------------------

Alan Bowen  alanb2 at webtv.net
Williamsburg, Michigan
http://community.webtv.net/alanb2/ATISAuctionItems




From bill at antique-engines.com  Sun Dec  5 21:31:42 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 23:31:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Marvel 9A Horizontal Power Hacksaw
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205133548.02361900@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <200412060529.iB65TgwX096957@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Congratulations, Dave!
Now you don't have to use an AX on those little smokies - you can cut them
in half while sipping from a shims-tock can.....

Bill
Runnells, IA
bill at antique-engines.com

(THIS IS A TEST OF A BRAND NEW COMPUTER - 
is it working?)
powered by NF7-S2 ABIT mobo with dual Maxtor 120 gig drives (RAID yet to
come), 1gig dual plane DDR400 RAM, FX5700 NVIDIA video card with multi-media
center, Pioneer DVD/CD/CDRW burner (16x16 will burn any DVD format), AMD
2800+ processor, 500watt psu, Logitech cordless optical mouse/keyboard,
WinXP Pro/SP2, Office 2003, ULEAD DVD Movie Factory.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 12:40 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Marvel 9A Horizontal Power Hacksaw


>Hi Dave,
>Nice hacksaw.  I wonder about the weight, though.  The seller says 4,000 LB
>which is as nothing to the kinds of loads you usually haul but I wonder if 
>your
>saw has a solid cast iron base in order to weigh that much.  Do you know?
>Regards,
>Ron in beautiful Northern Missouri where the temperature yesterday got into
>the 50's.
>(and today is thinking of spitting snow at us)

The literature that Ken posted to the List indicates that the saw is about 
3,000 lbs. (I finally figured out how the enlarge it so that I could read 
it.) I think the base must be cast iron--but surely NOT solid! I'll take 
the 7,000 gvw trailer. It weighs just over 2,200 lbs, so I'll be well w/in 
the limit.
         Dave

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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Dec  5 09:42:32 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:42:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Marvel 9A Horizontal Power Hacksaw
In-Reply-To: <200412051726.iB5HQZa1081924@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200412051726.iB5HQZa1081924@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <0AEF6335-46E5-11D9-AE3B-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

And it's currently wired for 220V.

John

> Hi Dave,
> You've just purchased a horizontal power hacksaw.  It's a Marvel model 
> 9A.  The
> capacity is nine inches.  It was manufactured by Armstrong Blum, and 
> has a two
> horsepower motor that runs at 1750 rpm.  It's a dual voltage, 115/230 
> single
> phase motor that draws 25/12.5 amps.
>
> Rob


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Dec  5 08:44:02 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:44:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?
In-Reply-To: <000a01c4da95$e280a340$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>
References: <GAEKIMAIANIDDENKHPAOCEDKNGAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
	<000a01c4da95$e280a340$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>
Message-ID: <DE8EC5DC-46DC-11D9-AE3B-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

And is responsible for the saying that someone or something is "dull as 
a froe."

John

On Dec 5, 2004, at 1:44 AM, F86SABRE wrote:

> It was and is called a froe.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu  Mon Dec  6 07:06:28 2004
From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:06:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Springfield models
Message-ID: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9D9@email05.bsu.edu>

My understanding is the same as marv in minn
 
Don 

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of MARVIN HEDBERG
Sent: Fri 12/3/2004 3:50 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Springfield models



i believe that wayne grenning scaled and made all of the springfield models.
as far as i know, no kits were avalible.

marv in minn

>
>> Don, who has the model kits of Springfields? I believe I know who
>> handles the others you have pictured...    Good page.
>>
>> --
>> C-ya
>>
>>   Leroy Clark
>>

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From Aermoter at aol.com  Mon Dec  6 07:39:20 2004
From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:39:20 EST
Subject: [SEL] Springfield models
Message-ID: <e8.7ed9c46.2ee5d728@aol.com>

After the problems Wayne Grenning experienced with his first model which I 
cannot remember the name of but was a strange inverted model (many people had 
problems getting it to run) that he decided to only sell completed models.  A 
person told me once (read that as a Person told me once and not my thoughts) 
that Wayne had told them that he didn't feel anyone but himself was skilled 
enough to build his models.  Weather any of this is true is for you to decide.

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Dec  6 16:34:33 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:34:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Lake Forest show
Message-ID: <20041206.163433.1296.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
For those of you in the areas where it is too cold to play with your
toys; here a few pictures of the WAPA display at Lake Forest.  Just South
of Irvine along I 5, in Southern California.

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31521234&f=0&vt=mp

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Dec  7 11:21:02 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 14:21:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Scale Rock Crusher
In-Reply-To: <000001c4d74d$96d40ef0$6401a8c0@TBerry>
References: <000001c4d74d$96d40ef0$6401a8c0@TBerry>
Message-ID: <41B6029E.7080503@imc-group.com>

Guy and gals,
Tommy posted this last week and I've put up pictures of his rock crusher 
project on our club web site.
Here is the link:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/RockCrusherModel/Thumbnails.html

This rock crusher project is just scratching the surface of his many 
talents.
If you have any questions about the crusher his contact information is 
in the original email below.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


Tommy Berry wrote:

>Curt has accused me of lurking on the list because I do not Post often.My
>name is Tommy Berry my wifes name is Beverly.We operate a small machine and
>fabrication shop In Kings Mtn. NC.One of my winter projects is a production
>run of small1/3 scale 4? x6? assey jaw crusher.It weighs about 25 lbs.It
>has6? x1 ?? flywheels. The little crusher can be powered by a large model
>such as Shellys Galloway or a 1 HP Tom thumb gas engine. The crusher comes
>with hardned jaw plates,cheek plates and screw jaw adjustment.Justlike the
>original. The price is 950.00 plus shipping. My email address is
>tberry6 at carolina.rr.com the shop Phone is 704-739-5913 M-F 8-6 . Other than
>models we collect and restore IHC engines Famous and Moguls also Ohio and
>Newway and Fairbanks engines. My friend Ray Medford and I displayed at
>Portland This year with the list Bunch.I have a subscriber  for a year and
>haven?t posted because my comments on most engine issues would be echoes.
>Pray for me because I live halfway between the Roysters and Curt Holland.
>Tommy
>
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>
>  
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Dec  7 12:14:25 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 15:14:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Lake Forest show
In-Reply-To: <20041206.163433.1296.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20041206.163433.1296.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <41B60F21.1050506@imc-group.com>

Ron,
Thanks for sharing your photos with us. It must be really neat to live 
where you can just walk over to a tree and pick oranges for several 
months of the year.
I'd be OD'ing on the abundant vitamin C !
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

>Hi all.
>For those of you in the areas where it is too cold to play with your
>toys; here a few pictures of the WAPA display at Lake Forest.  Just South
>of Irvine along I 5, in Southern California.
>
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31521234&f=0&vt=mp
>
>  
>



From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu  Tue Dec  7 13:31:28 2004
From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:31:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Springfield models
Message-ID: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9DA@email05.bsu.edu>

I think his first model was the Otto-Langen (atmospheric engine, an earlier engine than a compression engine).
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker/shows/various-3/otto-langen1sixthscalemodel.jpg 
 
Don

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Aermoter at aol.com
Sent: Mon 12/6/2004 10:39 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Springfield models



After the problems Wayne Grenning experienced with his first model which I
cannot remember the name of but was a strange inverted model (many people had
problems getting it to run) that he decided to only sell completed models.  A
person told me once (read that as a Person told me once and not my thoughts)
that Wayne had told them that he didn't feel anyone but himself was skilled
enough to build his models.  Weather any of this is true is for you to decide.

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com
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From alanb2 at webtv.net  Tue Dec  7 14:40:14 2004
From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:40:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holiday Charity Auction
In-Reply-To: Dave Rotigel <rotigel@alltel.net>'s message of Thu, 02 Dec
	2004 22:38:19 -0500
Message-ID: <3237-41B6314E-4650@storefull-3277.bay.webtv.net>

What's going on here,

This is the slowest start to the December ATIS Charity Auction that I
have ever seen.

Where are those World Famous, Internationally Traveled, Blue Handled,
Fence Pliers??????

Come on folks, Let's get some interesting items posted.

Pleeeeeeease.

Alan Bowen  alanb2 at webtv.net
Williamsburg, Michigan
http://community.webtv.net/alanb2/ATISAuctionItems



From Aermoter at aol.com  Tue Dec  7 17:40:15 2004
From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:40:15 EST
Subject: [SEL] Springfield models
Message-ID: <1ed.3084fdd6.2ee7b57f@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/7/2004 5:45:26 PM Central Standard Time, 
00dlsiefker at bsu.edu writes:
I think his first model was the Otto-Langen (atmospheric engine, an earlier 
engine than a compression engine
It was an inverted English type engine with a single flywheel that was down 
lower on the base.  The main casting used for the block was fancy.  It seems 
like it started with Strom or Stom or something like that.

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com


From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu  Tue Dec  7 20:12:36 2004
From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:12:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Springfield models
Message-ID: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9DB@email05.bsu.edu>

TIm, 
 
Sombart (Bisschop).
 
Don 

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Aermoter at aol.com
Sent: Tue 12/7/2004 8:40 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Springfield models



In a message dated 12/7/2004 5:45:26 PM Central Standard Time,
00dlsiefker at bsu.edu writes:
I think his first model was the Otto-Langen (atmospheric engine, an earlier
engine than a compression engine
It was an inverted English type engine with a single flywheel that was down
lower on the base.  The main casting used for the block was fancy.  It seems
like it started with Strom or Stom or something like that.

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com
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From b2 at chooka.net  Tue Dec  7 21:41:47 2004
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:41:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holiday Charity Auction
References: <3237-41B6314E-4650@storefull-3277.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <004501c4dce8$9c14aaa0$650aa8c0@BILLPC>

Don't have time to try again tonight, but I've been unable to post an item
and upload a picture for a few days now.  I mentioned this on one of the
lists recently, maybe the tractor list, and others reported the same
experience.

I've posted items OK years past, and post to eBay regularly.  I suspect if I
uploaded the pics to a server and referenced them it would be OK.

B?
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, Minnesota USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Bowen" <alanb2 at webtv.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 4:40 PM
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holiday Charity Auction


> What's going on here,
>
> This is the slowest start to the December ATIS Charity Auction that I
> have ever seen.
>
> Where are those World Famous, Internationally Traveled, Blue Handled,
> Fence Pliers??????
>
> Come on folks, Let's get some interesting items posted.
>
> Pleeeeeeease.
>
> Alan Bowen  alanb2 at webtv.net
> Williamsburg, Michigan
> http://community.webtv.net/alanb2/ATISAuctionItems
>
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From Aermoter at aol.com  Tue Dec  7 20:19:06 2004
From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:19:06 EST
Subject: [SEL] Springfield models
Message-ID: <c0.1d4dd15c.2ee7daba@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/7/2004 10:17:26 PM Central Standard Time, 
00dlsiefker at bsu.edu writes:
Sombart (Bisschop).
that sounds like it

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com


From driggars at earthlink.net  Wed Dec  8 09:59:52 2004
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 11:59:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Nee a move made
References: <3237-41B6314E-4650@storefull-3277.bay.webtv.net>
	<004501c4dce8$9c14aaa0$650aa8c0@BILLPC>
Message-ID: <01d401c4dd4f$b875cfa0$c3458304@clinton>


I am thinking of making a ourchase for a used case Backhoe in Ohio. If I make
the purchase, I need to know if anyone will be doing any hauling up that way
and need to pick up a load for coming back?
I need it hauled from Ohio to North Texas?

Clint




From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Dec  8 07:48:33 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 10:48:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Springfield models
In-Reply-To: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9DB@email05.bsu.edu>
References: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9DB@email05.bsu.edu>
Message-ID: <41B72251.9070107@imc-group.com>

Tim, Don,
Here are a couple of pictures of the one brought to Coolsprings this 
summer. One of those opportunities of a life time to get to see one!
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Coolsprings2004/P6180130.JPG
and 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Coolsprings2004/P6180131.JPG
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

SIEFKER, DONALD L wrote:

>TIm, 
> 
>Sombart (Bisschop).
> 
>Don 
>
>  
>



From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Wed Dec  8 09:04:17 2004
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:04:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] New item on ATIS Charity Auction
In-Reply-To: <41B6029E.7080503@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <20041208170417.36707.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com>

Now up for auction.  Tried listing last week, but looks like there is a
problem posting pictures (now hosted on other web site).

Mini John Deere Engine Model made by Turtle Creek Scale Models.

http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1104338220

If anyone wants one before christmas, let me know via offlist email.  Let
me know that it was sourced from the atis charity aucion and I will make
an additional donation after the auction ends.  

I also have other models made by the same company.  They are show at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/TurtleCreekModels/turtlecreek.htm

Steve

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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Dec  8 00:46:58 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 08:46:58 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Springfield models
References: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9DB@email05.bsu.edu>
Message-ID: <001c01c4dd02$7bc94e80$8c9f0952@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SIEFKER, DONALD L" <00dlsiefker at bsu.edu>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 4:12 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Springfield models


> Sombart (Bisschop).
> Don 

Have a look at my ninth & tenth pictures at
http://community.webshots.com/album/26047737QuuZsbPbbw
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From cjclem at sysim.net  Wed Dec  8 16:20:16 2004
From: cjclem at sysim.net (John)
Date: Wed,  8 Dec 2004 18:20:16 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT / K 9 Dog bites Nude Burglar,Guess Where?
Message-ID: <1102551616.41b79a406a8ca@webmail.sysim.net>

Click Here> http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_343171841.html  




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Dec  9 00:35:44 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:35:44 +1100
Subject: [SEL] For Rob &Kelley
Message-ID: <00df01c4ddca$fc600520$750d1bd3@athlon>

I have tried to mail you both but all mail is returned.

<<To: <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 7:40 AM
Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender


> This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
>
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Dec  9 01:52:47 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:52:47 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Springfield models
References: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9DB@email05.bsu.edu>
	<41B72251.9070107@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <001201c4ddd4$d7f7e810$8c9f0952@no1>

Hi Curt, Was the Sombart an American made Bischop?
I know of only one privately owned Bischop & a few in
Museums,
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Springfield models


> Tim, Don,
> Here are a couple of pictures of the one brought to Coolsprings this 
> summer. One of those opportunities of a life time to get to see one!
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Coolsprings2004/P6180130.JPG
> and 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Coolsprings2004/P6180131.JPG
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> 
> SIEFKER, DONALD L wrote:
> 
> >TIm, 
> > 
> >Sombart (Bisschop).
> > 
> >Don 
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Dec  9 00:22:05 2004
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:22:05 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] Photos available?
Message-ID: <20041209082205.78646.qmail@web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi all

Just a long shot, but does anyone have any photos of any (or all!) of the following engines:

     1.  Atkinson Cycle (the real one, not the Gingery or Joe Tochtrop's model)
         (I have one picture of the engine from the Ford Dearborn Museum)
     2.  Gardner Type 'O'
     3.  Retlas
     4.  Robinson Type 'X'

I am trying to research these engines with a view to building models of them.  The cognoscenti
will recognise that the last three are available as casting sets from Alyn Foundry in Wales.

Many thanks in anticipation.




	
	
		
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From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Dec  9 04:55:13 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 07:55:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Springfield models
In-Reply-To: <001201c4ddd4$d7f7e810$8c9f0952@no1>
References: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9DB@email05.bsu.edu>	<41B72251.9070107@imc-group.com>
	<001201c4ddd4$d7f7e810$8c9f0952@no1>
Message-ID: <41B84B31.20609@imc-group.com>

Dave,
I really can't answer any questions about this engine. The base does 
have Hartford, Conn cast into it and that is a city in our state of 
Connecticut. Someone there told me this was the engine featured in 
Greyson's Beautiful Engines book.
I could look up some information about it this evening to see if it was 
a Bischop made under license......something about that sound familiar.....
Curt

Dave Croft wrote:

>Hi Curt, Was the Sombart an American made Bischop?
>I know of only one privately owned Bischop & a few in
>Museums,
>Dave Croft
>Warrington
>England
>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 3:48 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Springfield models
>
>
>  
>
>>Tim, Don,
>>Here are a couple of pictures of the one brought to Coolsprings this 
>>summer. One of those opportunities of a life time to get to see one!
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Coolsprings2004/P6180130.JPG
>>and 
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Coolsprings2004/P6180131.JPG
>>Curt Holland
>>Gastonia, NC
>>
>>SIEFKER, DONALD L wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>TIm, 
>>>
>>>Sombart (Bisschop).
>>>
>>>Don 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>    
>>
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>
>
>  
>



From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Thu Dec  9 06:06:48 2004
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 15:06:48 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Photos available?
References: <20041209082205.78646.qmail@web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c4ddf8$533d9830$3775833e@harryp1811>

David,
I have some photo's of a Gardner that I would be glad to send you,
unfortunately I can not tell if it is a type 0, or type 1.
I don't know much about Gardener but IMHO they are the same except the 1
beeing a bit bigger right?



Harry Terpstra
Sint Annaparochie
Netherlands
h.terpstra at wxs.nl
http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html



----- Original Message -----
From: "David Everett" <deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 9:22 AM
Subject: [SEL] Photos available?


> Hi all
>
> Just a long shot, but does anyone have any photos of any (or all!) of the
following engines:
>
>      1.  Atkinson Cycle (the real one, not the Gingery or Joe Tochtrop's
model)
>          (I have one picture of the engine from the Ford Dearborn Museum)
>      2.  Gardner Type 'O'
>      3.  Retlas
>      4.  Robinson Type 'X'
>
> I am trying to research these engines with a view to building models of
them.  The cognoscenti
> will recognise that the last three are available as casting sets from Alyn
Foundry in Wales.
>
> Many thanks in anticipation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ___________________________________________________________
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Dec  9 08:44:07 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:44:07 -0800
Subject: [SEL] For Rob &Kelley [Now] For Reggie
In-Reply-To: <00df01c4ddca$fc600520$750d1bd3@athlon>
Message-ID: <200412091644.iB9GiBZC047363@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

> I have tried to mail you both but all mail is returned.

Tuning up the server, mate!  

Trying to get it to tick over as slowly as possible, but it died.  Should be
working now.  If it happens again, please let me know.

Rob





From jnyost at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  9 08:52:10 2004
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:52:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT / K 9 Dog bites Nude Burglar,Guess Where?
In-Reply-To: <1102551616.41b79a406a8ca@webmail.sysim.net>
Message-ID: <20041209165210.95900.qmail@web40614.mail.yahoo.com>

John,

I will guess where. Probably right at home!!!!!!!!!

Jim


--- John <cjclem at sysim.net> wrote:

> Click Here>
>
http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_343171841.html
>  
> 
> 
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From shop at cccomm.net  Thu Dec  9 10:22:24 2004
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:22:24 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Novo I Bought
Message-ID: <009c01c4de1c$0a127990$6501a8c0@Shop>

This poor thing sat outside for a long time and had water in it everywhere. I cleaned it up and fired it for the first time today. I has excellent compression, but smokes heavily. I ran it for about a half hour and it didn't clean up much.
These things have oil rings? I did find the oiler was dumping way too much oil in the cylinder so I disconnected it, but that didn't help much.
Ideas? 
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009545
look under Novo
Dave

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Dec  9 11:21:06 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:21:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Novo I Bought
In-Reply-To: <009c01c4de1c$0a127990$6501a8c0@Shop>
References: <009c01c4de1c$0a127990$6501a8c0@Shop>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412091412030.17218@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Dave,

Pull one of the hand-hole covers and see how much oil/water/stuff is
in the crankcase.  Then drain the mung that's in there, clean it well with
kero, and add some fresh oil.  You want the nuts on the end of the con rod
to _just_ dip into the oil; maybe 1/8", no more.

I'm guessing that you may have more fluid than that in the crankcase
which is splashing up into the cylinder.

And for what its worth, most of the Novo "S" engines that I've seen do
smoke some, but not as much as the Novo in your pics.  Helps to keep the
area mosquito free.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Don't forget to turn the oiler back on and set it to ~1 drop per
minute / hp.

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, Dave Ernst wrote:

> This poor thing sat outside for a long time and had water in it everywhere. I cleaned it up and fired it for the first time today. I has excellent compression, but smokes heavily. I ran it for about a half hour and it didn't clean up much.
> These things have oil rings? I did find the oiler was dumping way too much oil in the cylinder so I disconnected it, but that didn't help much.
> Ideas?
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009545
> look under Novo



From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Dec  9 14:15:32 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:15:32 EST
Subject: [SEL] Novo I Bought
Message-ID: <ea.5e5c3634.2eea2884@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/9/2004 1:58:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
shop at cccomm.net writes:

<< This poor thing sat outside for a long time >>
Dave,

Nice engine.  Mine sat out for quite awhile too.  Had to cut one of the 
valves out.  I need to get it back together.  Lots of goodies hanging on the shop 
walls too I see!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  9 18:01:04 2004
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:01:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT, e-bay sales
Message-ID: <000601c4de5c$1bdad420$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>

Hi all, 

Just got an inquiry tonight from OZ on something I have on e-bay. Anyone have experience with international shipping from the USA please contact me off list. 
Thanks, 

Jeff Allen

transteck at earthlink.net


From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Dec  9 07:59:54 2004
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:59:54 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] Photos available?
In-Reply-To: <002a01c4ddf8$533d9830$3775833e@harryp1811>
Message-ID: <20041209155954.17454.qmail@web25007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi Harry

Many thanks for your reply.  

I don't know about size.  The type 'O' gas engine dated from about 1900 and was in production for
25 years - at least that is what Alyn Foundry tell me!

If it is not too much trouble, would you mind sending me your photos.  I haven't had any other
offers to date: information must be scarce, so who is going to know the difference?!

Regards

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea



 --- Harry Terpstra <h.terpstra at wxs.nl> wrote: 
> David,
> I have some photo's of a Gardner that I would be glad to send you, unfortunately I can not tell 
> if it is a type 0, or type 1.
> I don't know much about Gardener but IMHO they are the same except the 1 beeing a bit bigger 
> right?


		
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From b2 at chooka.net  Thu Dec  9 19:14:29 2004
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:14:29 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT, e-bay sales
References: <000601c4de5c$1bdad420$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>
Message-ID: <002e01c4de66$5d298890$650aa8c0@BILLPC>

I think this is fair content for the list, with members all over the world
we do swap things around once in a while.

My answer is short, maybe others know more:  www.usps.gov.  The form you
fill out at the post office is pretty simple.  When I sell on eBay I have a
policy of charging the usps cost + $10.

I've made maybe a dozen overseas shipments, little hassle and all worked out
fine.

I tried to go through UPS since they pick up right at my business.  I got
discouraged with the required paperwork.  And when I compared rates on their
website against USPS they were more expensive.

Contrasting experiences would be most welcome.  And I've not a clue what to
do if we're talking something heavy.  My biggest package was probably 20
pounds.

B?
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, Minnesota USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 8:01 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT, e-bay sales


Hi all,

Just got an inquiry tonight from OZ on something I have on e-bay. Anyone
have experience with international shipping from the USA please contact me
off list.
Thanks,

Jeff Allen

transteck at earthlink.net
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From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Dec  9 19:28:32 2004
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 03:28:32 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] OT, e-bay sales
In-Reply-To: <002e01c4de66$5d298890$650aa8c0@BILLPC>
Message-ID: <20041210032832.43372.qmail@web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

I have Recieved a 60lbs package in the UK from the US, initially using UPS (or other courier). 
First time round, the package got lost at their depot.  The second time around, the shipper sent
via USPS airfreight (!) and it got through with no problems, including the overzealous British
Customs.

Now out here might be a diffferent story!

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea

 --- Bill Brueck <b2 at chooka.net> wrote: 
> My answer is short, maybe others know more:  www.usps.gov.  
> 
> Contrasting experiences would be most welcome.  And I've not a clue what to
> do if we're talking something heavy.  My biggest package was probably 20
> pounds.


		
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  9 20:04:41 2004
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:04:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT, e-bay sales
References: <000601c4de5c$1bdad420$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>
	<002e01c4de66$5d298890$650aa8c0@BILLPC>
Message-ID: <001a01c4de6d$6073a650$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>

Bill,

Maybe this is a good topic. What is common in one country may be hard to 
find in another. No reason for us not to offer shipping to our engine 
buddies worldwide, and from what you say it's not too hard. Off list 
comments reflect yours, and I'll be offering international shipping in the 
future. I did go to the usps.gov site, and somewhat confusing. Figure the 
best way is to go in and do it.

Now boys and girls, if there is any interest on the planet for what I have 
available, I will add it to the ATIS charity auction. Springs.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3858151966&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT
Blatant add, but I can add several lots for charity if there is interest. 
Also have some larger ones. Lemme no and I'll put em up.

Jeff Allen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Brueck" <b2 at chooka.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, e-bay sales


>I think this is fair content for the list, with members all over the world
> we do swap things around once in a while.
>
> My answer is short, maybe others know more:  www.usps.gov.  The form you
> fill out at the post office is pretty simple.  When I sell on eBay I have 
> a
> policy of charging the usps cost + $10.
>
> I've made maybe a dozen overseas shipments, little hassle and all worked 
> out
> fine.
>
> I tried to go through UPS since they pick up right at my business.  I got
> discouraged with the required paperwork.  And when I compared rates on 
> their
> website against USPS they were more expensive.
>
> Contrasting experiences would be most welcome.  And I've not a clue what 
> to
> do if we're talking something heavy.  My biggest package was probably 20
> pounds.
>
> B?
> Bill Brueck (brick)
> Chatfield, Minnesota USA
>
> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 8:01 PM
> Subject: [SEL] OT, e-bay sales
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just got an inquiry tonight from OZ on something I have on e-bay. Anyone
> have experience with international shipping from the USA please contact me
> off list.
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff Allen
>
> transteck at earthlink.net
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From rustyiron at bigpond.com  Thu Dec  9 07:56:55 2004
From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:56:55 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT, e-bay sales
References: <000601c4de5c$1bdad420$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>
Message-ID: <004e01c4de07$bdc729a0$06d4fea9@ibmbnh186c>

Hi Jeff, Speaking from this end, they attach a form CN22 (Customs
Declaration) and a stamp and post it. I've never had to pay handling as some
times I end up buying of a list member any way, and they are always egger to
help. Besides it's not me is it????
Andy....

Andy Nicholson
Exmouth W.A.
Oz.
rustyiron at bigpond.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 10:01 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT, e-bay sales


Hi all,

Just got an inquiry tonight from OZ on something I have on e-bay. Anyone
have experience with international shipping from the USA please contact me
off list.
Thanks,

Jeff Allen

transteck at earthlink.net
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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec  9 18:35:32 2004
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 20:35:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Peg & Bill Pfiffer's e-mail address
Message-ID: <00fa01c4de60$edd06220$210110ac@PAUL>

Can someone send me Bill and Peg Pfeiffer's e-mail address? Peg if you are lurking give me a shout.

Paul


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Dec 10 00:44:50 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:44:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Need Peg & Bill Pfiffer's e-mail address
References: <00fa01c4de60$edd06220$210110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <011a01c4de94$e951e140$36121bd3@athlon>

Pfeiffer, Peg
E-mail Address(es):
  Old_Iron at msn.com
Personal Information:
  Address:
    904 Forestview
    Park Ridge Illinois 60068
    USA


Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 1:35 PM
Subject: [SEL] Need Peg & Bill Pfiffer's e-mail address


Can someone send me Bill and Peg Pfeiffer's e-mail address? Peg if you are
lurking give me a shout.

Paul
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Thu Dec  9 15:00:39 2004
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:00:39 +0100
Subject: [SEL] R&V question
References: <20041209082205.78646.qmail@web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<002a01c4ddf8$533d9830$3775833e@harryp1811>
Message-ID: <001b01c4de42$e707c370$3775833e@harryp1811>

I want to make a pattern to have a carburetor cast for our 6hp
Root&Vandervoort Triumph line.
Some of the R&V's have an air-pipe screwed in the mixer. Is there anyone on
the SEL that has a 6 (or 8hp) Triumph line R&V that can give me the size of
this pipe?
Or the diameter hole in the mixer intake?

Thanks




Harry Terpstra
Sint Annaparochie
Netherlands
h.terpstra at wxs.nl
http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html






From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Dec 10 05:35:31 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:35:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
Message-ID: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com>

This is somewhat off topic but since we have to have a mode of 
communications in transferring our thoughts and ideas, I thought I would 
  send this to the list for anyone that had not already seen it.

I'm sure most of you are aware that a cell directory will soon be 
released that contains cell numbers.  As a result, your cell phone 
number will probably be accessed by telemarketers and you could possibly 
start receiveing numerous annoying calls each day running up your air 
time and monthly bill (if you receive a telemarketing call and you hang 
up after only 10 seconds, you will more than likely have one minute 
charged against your cell).  I've got a friend in the Communications 
field who sent me the info below.  I thought I would pass it on just in 
case you haven't already taken care of this.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




In the coming weeks, cell phone numbers are being released to 
telemarketing companies and you will start to receive tele-sales calls. 
Call this number from your cell phone 888-382-1222. It is the National 
Do Not Call list. It blocks your number for 5 years.

You can also register "do not call numbers" using the FCC web site at:
https://www.donotcall.gov/default.aspx
Remember, to register via phone you must call from the phone you wish to
register.


Howard Williams
Charter Communications






From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Dec 10 05:59:42 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:59:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
In-Reply-To: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com>
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412100857130.28826@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Tommy,

Not exactly...  Have a look at what Snopes has to say on the subject of
"Celling Your Soul" and the cell phone directory (wireless 411 service).

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/cell411.asp

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> This is somewhat off topic but since we have to have a mode of
> communications in transferring our thoughts and ideas, I thought I would
> send this to the list for anyone that had not already seen it.
>
> I'm sure most of you are aware that a cell directory will soon be
> released that contains cell numbers.  As a result, your cell phone
> number will probably be accessed by telemarketers and you could possibly
> start receiveing numerous annoying calls each day running up your air
> time and monthly bill (if you receive a telemarketing call and you hang
> up after only 10 seconds, you will more than likely have one minute
> charged against your cell).  I've got a friend in the Communications
> field who sent me the info below.  I thought I would pass it on just in
> case you haven't already taken care of this.


From prepair at easynet.co.uk  Fri Dec 10 06:15:54 2004
From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:15:54 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
In-Reply-To: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com>
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <pmbjr05nhgb6lsntr7mj29lqff03md7vr2@4ax.com>

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:35:31 -0500, you wrote:

>This is somewhat off topic but since we have to have a mode of 
>communications in transferring our thoughts and ideas, I thought I would 
>  send this to the list for anyone that had not already seen it.
>
>I'm sure most of you are aware that a cell directory will soon be 
>released that contains cell numbers.  As a result, your cell phone 
>number will probably be accessed by telemarketers and you could possibly 
>start receiveing numerous annoying calls each day running up your air 
>time and monthly bill (if you receive a telemarketing call and you hang 
>up after only 10 seconds, you will more than likely have one minute 
>charged against your cell).  I've got a friend in the Communications 
>field who sent me the info below.  I thought I would pass it on just in 
>case you haven't already taken care of this.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY

Interesting so see that in the USA the receiving cell phone (cell
phones are called "mobiles" over here, which confuses the Americanos
who call their remote home phones the same thing) gets the charge of
the call, while over here the person making the call pays, so junk
calls are not that popular....

We have advert blocking facilities for faxes, but they are dying away
now that email is firmly established for business users.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK
prepair at easynet.co.uk
http://www.prepair.co.uk




From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Dec 10 07:02:35 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:02:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications OT
In-Reply-To: <pmbjr05nhgb6lsntr7mj29lqff03md7vr2@4ax.com>
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com>
	<pmbjr05nhgb6lsntr7mj29lqff03md7vr2@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <41B9BA8B.5010507@imc-group.com>

Peter wrote:

>We have advert blocking facilities for faxes, but they are dying away
>now that email is firmly established for business users.
>
Fax advertising .....that one really hacks me off! I get dozens of ads 
for stock tips and cruise vacations every week on the fax machine, 
despite the fact that I have NEVER given the number out to a mag. 
subscription, survey, or anything. Each of those fax's costs paper and 
despite the fact that I call the toll free numbers to be taken off the 
fax lists, it continues. Each fax has a different toll free number to call.

The few times I have used our home phone line for a fax machine, we 
immediately begin to receive fax calls at wee hours of the morning. 
Somehow these marketers are able to monitor lines that have been used 
for a fax (even once) and they immediately begin to barrage you with 
unsolicited faxes.

I am dead opposed to government regulation, but the actions of these 
telemarketers must be stopped. Now Tommy tells us the cell phones are 
fair play too. It is simply not right to send and make unsolicited faxes 
and calls when those actions are costing us real money.

Curt Holland
P.S. Sorry, I really should have taken this over to slick.


From shop at cccomm.net  Fri Dec 10 07:19:50 2004
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:19:50 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Novo
Message-ID: <00d501c4decb$b3005f90$6501a8c0@Shop>

Thanks for the imput guys.
Here is what I did. I drained the water/gas/sludge and filled it with diesel and let it set a few days, drained it,scraped what I could and flushed it with gas & compressed air. I took the oil covers off, drained the water,ect, flushed and added new oil.(I checked the level after Arnies suggestion), freed up and repacked the fuel pump.
I ran it later in the day yesterday for about 45 minutes and it still smoked heavily. It would run up to governor speed and hold steady (500 RPM) for awhile then begin to load itself up with oil. The engine speed drops to about 100 RPM then chokes, spits and sputters for awhile, then clears itself up. Interestingly it didn't foul the plug.
When I shut it down, the oil level was considerably lower.
I'm going to tear it down anyhow, but my guess is rings. It has good compression, but quite a bit of blow by when warm.
Any more thoughts?
Dave

From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Fri Dec 10 04:07:00 2004
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:07:00 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT, e-bay sales
References: <000601c4de5c$1bdad420$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>
Message-ID: <002201c4deb0$c0f72810$f5a3ecdc@morris>

G'Day Jeff
Posted to SEL as others may be interested.
Is it postable or has it got to be shipped, we just sent a 15hp Reid from 
the US to OZ with out problems. It depend what you say on the paper work, 
what the Aussie will pay this end- 10% GST tax for a start.
I have brought in parcels (camera) by FedEx / Australian Post with out 
problems, again what you say and value it makes a big difference in what 
payment is due this end.


Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW OZ



>
> Just got an inquiry tonight from OZ on something I have on e-bay. Anyone 
> have experience with international shipping from the USA please contact me 
> off list.
> Thanks,



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Dec 10 08:51:31 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:51:31 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
Message-ID: <20041210.085132.204.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Tommy.
I got this message yesterday and passed it on to my family.  Later I
checked it out on Scopes,  It seems several cell phone companies are
making 411 directories, but they claim they will not make them available
to telemarketers.  It appears many people use cell phones as their only
phone and have to pay to have their numbers listed in regular
directories, so this would be a directory of cell phone numbers and you
would have the chance not to have your number listed.  Sounds good in a
perfect world.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside California USA
http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:35:31 -0500 Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
writes:
> This is somewhat off topic but since we have to have a mode of 
> communications in transferring our thoughts and ideas, I thought I 
> would 
>   send this to the list for anyone that had not already seen it.
> 
> I'm sure most of you are aware that a cell directory will soon be 
> released that contains cell numbers.  As a result, your cell phone 
> number will probably be accessed by telemarketers and you could 
> possibly 
> start receiveing numerous annoying calls each day running up your 
> air 
> time and monthly bill (if you receive a telemarketing call and you 
> hang 
> up after only 10 seconds, you will more than likely have one minute 
> 
> charged against your cell).  I've got a friend in the Communications 
> 
> field who sent me the info below.  I thought I would pass it on just 
> in 
> case you haven't already taken care of this.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>


From Vivas1993 at aol.com  Fri Dec 10 08:52:50 2004
From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:52:50 EST
Subject: [SEL] R&V question
Message-ID: <f4.45c8788f.2eeb2e62@aol.com>

Hi Harry,
 Went out an measured my 6hp R&V, the mixer is threaded for an 11/4" pipe. 
Good luck getting the carb. cast !

 Dwight Vivas
 Matoaca, VA.


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Dec 10 10:22:40 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:22:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412100857130.28826@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0412100857130.28826@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <41B9E970.9020008@scrtc.com>

Arnie,
	I read the site but it doesn't say this is simply a hoax as such.  I 
cut and pasted some of the info on Snopes below.  As it states, right 
now (key words) the Wireless 411 is supposed (another key word) to not 
be available to telemarketers per FCC regulations.  I'm registering my 
phone anyhow to be on the safe side because as Snopes says, adding the 
phone number will keep the number off limits to telemarketers and won't 
likely have an adverse effect.  This, like many of the changes we have 
seen come as a result of advanced technology, has probalby caused many 
folks to jump the gun a bit on what "might" happen.  Nonetheless, adding 
you numbers can't hurt.  Thanks for the additional info.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



When speaking of registering your cell phone number with the Do Not Call 
List it states "....the latter step will not keep wireless customer 
listings out of the proposed Wireless 411 database ? it will only add 
their phone numbers to a list of numbers off-limits to most 
telemarketers, a step which is premature (because the Wireless 411 
directory has not yet been implemented) and largely unnecessary (because 
the Wireless 411 directory information is not supposed to be supplied to 
telemarketers, and because FCC regulations already in place block the 
bulk of telemarketing calls to cell phones).

Adding one's cell phone number to the National Do Not Call Registry 
(even if currently unnecessary) won't likely have any adverse effect, 
but customers should be aware of exactly what that action will or will 
not accomplish."







Arnie Fero wrote:
> Hi Tommy,
> 
> Not exactly...  Have a look at what Snopes has to say on the subject of
> "Celling Your Soul" and the cell phone directory (wireless 411 service).
> 
> http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/cell411.asp
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> 
> 
>>This is somewhat off topic but since we have to have a mode of
>>communications in transferring our thoughts and ideas, I thought I would
>>send this to the list for anyone that had not already seen it.
>>
>>I'm sure most of you are aware that a cell directory will soon be
>>released that contains cell numbers.  As a result, your cell phone
>>number will probably be accessed by telemarketers and you could possibly
>>start receiveing numerous annoying calls each day running up your air
>>time and monthly bill (if you receive a telemarketing call and you hang
>>up after only 10 seconds, you will more than likely have one minute
>>charged against your cell).  I've got a friend in the Communications
>>field who sent me the info below.  I thought I would pass it on just in
>>case you haven't already taken care of this.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Dec 10 10:25:28 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:25:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications OT
In-Reply-To: <41B9BA8B.5010507@imc-group.com>
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com>	<pmbjr05nhgb6lsntr7mj29lqff03md7vr2@4ax.com>
	<41B9BA8B.5010507@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <41B9EA18.2040408@scrtc.com>

Curt,

	Excellent point as the cost of faxes can get in the pocketbook.  I 
wonder if adding a fax line number to the Do Not Call list would do any 
good?  I wished there were a Do Not Spam list (other than filters). 
That would be a tremendous asset to all on the SEL.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Curt wrote:

> Peter wrote:
> 
>>>>
> Fax advertising .....that one really hacks me off! I get dozens of ads 
> for stock tips and cruise vacations every week on the fax machine, 
> despite the fact that I have NEVER given the number out to a mag. 
> subscription, survey, or anything. 
> Curt Holland
> P.S. Sorry, I really should have taken this over to slick.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 



From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Fri Dec 10 11:21:44 2004
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:21:44 +0100
Subject: [SEL] R&V question
References: <f4.45c8788f.2eeb2e62@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005301c4deed$7c1df510$3775833e@harryp1811>

Hi dwight,
Thanks for the information, my guess it would be a 1" pipe, but it turns out
it's even 1?".
I plan to make a wooden patern first, we'll see how it turns out;-)

TTYL,

Harry Terpstra
Sint Annaparochie
Netherlands
h.terpstra at wxs.nl
http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html



----- Original Message -----
From: <Vivas1993 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] R&V question


> Hi Harry,
>  Went out an measured my 6hp R&V, the mixer is threaded for an 11/4" pipe.
> Good luck getting the carb. cast !
>
>  Dwight Vivas
>  Matoaca, VA.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Dec 10 12:12:03 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:12:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Springfield models
In-Reply-To: <41B84B31.20609@imc-group.com>
References: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9DB@email05.bsu.edu>	<41B72251.9070107@imc-group.com>	<001201c4ddd4$d7f7e810$8c9f0952@no1>
	<41B84B31.20609@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <41BA0313.5020004@imc-group.com>

Dave,
As promised....from Grayson's book:

"As the fast moving 1870's drew to its close, those wishing to enter the 
manufacture of IC engines found themselves scrambling either to invent a 
machine that would not run afoul of existing patents or sales 
territories or else acquire the rights to an existing engine. That is 
the position in which an instrument maker in Magdeburg, Germany, founds 
itself in in 1878. When it failed to procure a license to manufacture 
Deutz engines, the firm of Buss and Sombart turned instead to de 
Bisschop. Little is known today about the firm's principals other than 
Buss was the financier while Charles M. Sombart was the more technically 
minder partner. Apparently, however, the men acquired rights to make and 
sell the engine in the United States, where the patent was registered in 
Buss's name. US operation was established at 215 Centre St in New York 
City. Production, however, seems to have taken place in Hartford, 
Connecticut, where the company was listed during 1884 and again in 
1886-1888. Mr. Sombart was a highly capable engineer. He made some 
important  improvements to the engine including a patented throttle that 
mixed illuminating gas and air. Also, as the de Bisschop operating 
principle limited the engine to its modest outputs, Sombart developed a 
new two-cycle engine in 1882....."

Hope this is useful and it does seem to answer your question if the 
Sombart engine was an American made Bisschop engine.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Curt wrote:

> Dave,
> I really can't answer any questions about this engine. The base does 
> have Hartford, Conn cast into it and that is a city in our state of 
> Connecticut. Someone there told me this was the engine featured in 
> Greyson's Beautiful Engines book.
> I could look up some information about it this evening to see if it 
> was a Bischop made under license......something about that sound 
> familiar.....
> Curt
>
> Dave Croft wrote:
>
>> Hi Curt, Was the Sombart an American made Bischop?
>> I know of only one privately owned Bischop & a few in
>> Museums,
>> Dave Croft
>> Warrington
>> England
>> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 3:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Springfield models
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>> Tim, Don,
>>> Here are a couple of pictures of the one brought to Coolsprings this 
>>> summer. One of those opportunities of a life time to get to see one!
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Coolsprings2004/P6180130.JPG 
>>>
>>> and 
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Coolsprings2004/P6180131.JPG 
>>>
>>> Curt Holland
>>> Gastonia, NC
>>>
>>> SIEFKER, DONALD L wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>> TIm,
>>>> Sombart (Bisschop).
>>>>
>>>> Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>   
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>  
>>
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 10 03:34:40 2004
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 05:34:40 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Peg & Bill Pfiffer's e-mail address
References: <00fa01c4de60$edd06220$210110ac@PAUL>
	<011a01c4de94$e951e140$36121bd3@athlon>
Message-ID: <004c01c4deac$3e91f2f0$210110ac@PAUL>

Thanks Mr. Reg,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 2:44 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Peg & Bill Pfiffer's e-mail address


> Pfeiffer, Peg
> E-mail Address(es):
>  Old_Iron at msn.com
> Personal Information:
>  Address:
>    904 Forestview
>    Park Ridge Illinois 60068
>    USA
> 
> 
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> 



From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Dec 10 13:06:12 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:06:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
In-Reply-To: <20041210.085132.204.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20041210.085132.204.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <30358.165.206.180.118.1102712772.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

How can you make a public directory and make it UN-available to marketers???
Duh - if I have a cell phone and get a directory, do I have to sign a
paper saying I'm not a telemarketer and swear not to use it for evil?
I think not.............

BiLl

> Hi Tommy.
> I got this message yesterday and passed it on to my family.  Later I
> checked it out on Scopes,  It seems several cell phone companies are
> making 411 directories, but they claim they will not make them available
> to telemarketers.  It appears many people use cell phones as their only
> phone and have to pay to have their numbers listed in regular
> directories, so this would be a directory of cell phone numbers and you
> would have the chance not to have your number listed.  Sounds good in a
> perfect world.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside California USA
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/
>
> On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:35:31 -0500 Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> writes:
>> This is somewhat off topic but since we have to have a mode of
>> communications in transferring our thoughts and ideas, I thought I
>> would
>>   send this to the list for anyone that had not already seen it.
>>
>> I'm sure most of you are aware that a cell directory will soon be
>> released that contains cell numbers.  As a result, your cell phone
>> number will probably be accessed by telemarketers and you could
>> possibly
>> start receiveing numerous annoying calls each day running up your
>> air
>> time and monthly bill (if you receive a telemarketing call and you
>> hang
>> up after only 10 seconds, you will more than likely have one minute
>>
>> charged against your cell).  I've got a friend in the Communications
>>
>> field who sent me the info below.  I thought I would pass it on just
>> in
>> case you haven't already taken care of this.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec  9 15:21:07 2004
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:21:07 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw: bischopp
Message-ID: <005701c4de45$c392bd20$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>


 

> If anyone requires a better picture of a working engine let
> me know & I will try & get a photo off the owner.
> He only took it to one show many years ago.
> (I only had a B & W camera in those days)
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
> 


From falcon at telenet.net  Fri Dec 10 14:51:34 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:51:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications OT
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com>	<pmbjr05nhgb6lsntr7mj29lqff03md7vr2@4ax.com><41B9BA8B.5010507@imc-group.com>
	<41B9EA18.2040408@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <020401c4df0a$cd1e5280$381117d1@net.telenet.net>

I put every phone number I have and some for other folks on the Do Not
Call list. It covers any communication device on those lines so a fax is
covered.
On the cell list you actually have to opt IN to the list. So if you have
a cell phone you will be asked if you want your number on the list or
not. No charge either way and if you want to take the number off later
they will do that for free as well. Which means none of the 6 cell
phones I have will be on the list. (the entire family has cell phones
under my account).

Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Info on Communications OT


> Curt,
>
> Excellent point as the cost of faxes can get in the pocketbook.  I
> wonder if adding a fax line number to the Do Not Call list would do
any
> good?  I wished there were a Do Not Spam list (other than filters).
> That would be a tremendous asset to all on the SEL.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> Curt wrote:
>
> > Peter wrote:
> >
> >>>>
> > Fax advertising .....that one really hacks me off! I get dozens of
ads
> > for stock tips and cruise vacations every week on the fax machine,
> > despite the fact that I have NEVER given the number out to a mag.
> > subscription, survey, or anything.
> > Curt Holland
> > P.S. Sorry, I really should have taken this over to slick.
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From falcon at telenet.net  Fri Dec 10 14:57:17 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:57:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com><Pine.BSF.4.51.0412100857130.28826@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<41B9E970.9020008@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <020a01c4df0b$9980b5c0$381117d1@net.telenet.net>

http://www.qsent.com/wireless411/index.shtml

This is the outfit that is setting up the list. These are from their
site.

Q. How will the Wireless 411 Service work?
Wireless subscribers who choose to participate in the Wireless 411
Service will be able to "OPT-IN" through their wireless carrier.
Subscribers who choose not to participate or who do nothing will not be
included. Qsent will receive opt-in wireless listing data from
participating carrier data sources and provide the information through
the nation's Operator Services Companies (OSCs). The information will be
placed into a dynamic privacy-protected database only accessible by a
participating OSC in response to a customer query for a wireless listing
as provided by the opt-in customer.

Q. Will all wireless customers be included in the Wireless 411 Service?
No. Only consumers who choose to participate (opt-in) with their
specific carrier will be included. The carriers' primary commitment in
developing a new Wireless 411 Service was to ensure their customers a
choice-based, privacy-protected service that requires pre-authorization
for inclusion. If a consumer chooses not to participate, or does
nothing, their information will not be included in the service.

Q. Will wireless customers numbers be included in a physical directory?
No physical directory of Wireless 411 Service numbers will exist either
printed, electronic or on the Internet, in whole or in part. Wireless
411 Service subscriber data for use by carrier selected 411 service
operators will be drawn from the privacy-protected database for
real-time single use by the 411 Operator Service Center.

Q. What steps have been taken to keep telemarketers from getting
Wireless 411 numbers?
Telemarketers don't use voice 411 services to contact people and
Wireless 411 Service numbers will not be put into any electronic list
for disclosure to telemarketers. Additionally, telemarketing use of
automated calling systems to a wireless phone number is prohibited by
law, and will still be illegal even if a consumer chooses to have their
wireless number in the 411 service.

The wireless industry has historically advocated for these privacy
measures and broadly supported the federal Telephone Consumer Protection
Act. The Wireless 411 Service was designed specifically to control all
the opt-in wireless 411 listing information in a single
privacy-protected database and release it only through qualified OSCs in
single record responses to individual voice 411 requests.


Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Info on Communications


> Arnie,
> I read the site but it doesn't say this is simply a hoax as such.  I
> cut and pasted some of the info on Snopes below.  As it states, right
> now (key words) the Wireless 411 is supposed (another key word) to not
> be available to telemarketers per FCC regulations.  I'm registering my
> phone anyhow to be on the safe side because as Snopes says, adding the
> phone number will keep the number off limits to telemarketers and
won't
> likely have an adverse effect.  This, like many of the changes we have
> seen come as a result of advanced technology, has probalby caused many
> folks to jump the gun a bit on what "might" happen.  Nonetheless,
adding
> you numbers can't hurt.  Thanks for the additional info.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Fri Dec 10 15:13:51 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 00:13:51 +0100
Subject: [SEL] R&V question
References: <f4.45c8788f.2eeb2e62@aol.com>
	<005301c4deed$7c1df510$3775833e@harryp1811>
Message-ID: <000501c4df0d$e94e2cc0$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

Hi Harry, I guess you're constructing this:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/R&V1.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/R&V2.jpg

C-U,

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web




Hi dwight,
Thanks for the information, my guess it would be a 1" pipe, but it turns out
it's even 1?".
I plan to make a wooden patern first, we'll see how it turns out;-)

TTYL,

Harry Terpstra




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Dec 10 15:26:48 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:26:48 EST
Subject: [SEL] New Projects
Message-ID: <a1.53bf3662.2eeb8ab8@aol.com>

Hi,
Today, 2 almost complete IHC LBs 2? HP along with a parts engine, 2  small 
B&S engines, I Gladden air cooled engine (made in Glendale,  California), 1 
military air cooled engine with ignition suppression, and 1  Fairbanks Morse Z 
Type D engine wanted to be part of my small  engine collection.  They all require 
some work to get running.   I located them in a barn in Arroyo Grande.  The 
gentleman that had  them had collected these engines for his grandsons.  
However, the grand  kids aren't interest in old iron.  So, I lucked out (?).
By the way, the wife isn't too happy as they are taking up part of  her 
garden space.
 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From rholtzer at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 10 16:11:21 2004
From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:11:21 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
In-Reply-To: <20041210.085132.204.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20041210161102.00c29a88@mail.earthlink.net>

And if frogs had wings!!

Bob Holtzer

At 08:51 AM 12/10/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi Tommy.
>I got this message yesterday and passed it on to my family.  Later I
>checked it out on Scopes,  It seems several cell phone companies are
>making 411 directories, but they claim they will not make them available
>to telemarketers.  It appears many people use cell phones as their only
>phone and have to pay to have their numbers listed in regular
>directories, so this would be a directory of cell phone numbers and you
>would have the chance not to have your number listed.  Sounds good in a
>perfect world.
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside California USA
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/
>
>On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:35:31 -0500 Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>writes:
> > This is somewhat off topic but since we have to have a mode of
> > communications in transferring our thoughts and ideas, I thought I
> > would
> >   send this to the list for anyone that had not already seen it.
> >
> > I'm sure most of you are aware that a cell directory will soon be
> > released that contains cell numbers.  As a result, your cell phone
> > number will probably be accessed by telemarketers and you could
> > possibly
> > start receiveing numerous annoying calls each day running up your
> > air
> > time and monthly bill (if you receive a telemarketing call and you
> > hang
> > up after only 10 seconds, you will more than likely have one minute
> >
> > charged against your cell).  I've got a friend in the Communications
> >
> > field who sent me the info below.  I thought I would pass it on just
> > in
> > case you haven't already taken care of this.
> >
> > Tommy Turner
> > Magnolia, KY
> >
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From glenn.karch at gte.net  Fri Dec 10 18:01:59 2004
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:01:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
Message-ID: <003101c4df25$68907c60$58c9e641@oemcomputer>

To all,

What has happened to gasoline prices in your area?  I just filled up at a
nearby Flying J Truck Stop for $1.46.9.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian



From falcon at telenet.net  Fri Dec 10 18:08:06 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:08:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
References: <20041210.085132.204.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<30358.165.206.180.118.1102712772.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <01db01c4df26$41b44120$381117d1@net.telenet.net>

There will NOT be a public directory. None of it will be published and
you have to OPT-IN to be on the list. If you say no OR do nothing at all
your not included either.

http://www.qsent.com/wireless411/index.shtml

This is the outfit that is setting up the list. These are from their
site.

Q. How will the Wireless 411 Service work?
Wireless subscribers who choose to participate in the Wireless 411
Service will be able to "OPT-IN" through their wireless carrier.
Subscribers who choose not to participate or who do nothing will not be
included. Qsent will receive opt-in wireless listing data from
participating carrier data sources and provide the information through
the nation's Operator Services Companies (OSCs). The information will be
placed into a dynamic privacy-protected database only accessible by a
participating OSC in response to a customer query for a wireless listing
as provided by the opt-in customer.

Q. Will all wireless customers be included in the Wireless 411 Service?
No. Only consumers who choose to participate (opt-in) with their
specific carrier will be included. The carriers' primary commitment in
developing a new Wireless 411 Service was to ensure their customers a
choice-based, privacy-protected service that requires pre-authorization
for inclusion. If a consumer chooses not to participate, or does
nothing, their information will not be included in the service.

Q. Will wireless customers numbers be included in a physical directory?
No physical directory of Wireless 411 Service numbers will exist either
printed, electronic or on the Internet, in whole or in part. Wireless
411 Service subscriber data for use by carrier selected 411 service
operators will be drawn from the privacy-protected database for
real-time single use by the 411 Operator Service Center.

Q. What steps have been taken to keep telemarketers from getting
Wireless 411 numbers?
Telemarketers don't use voice 411 services to contact people and
Wireless 411 Service numbers will not be put into any electronic list
for disclosure to telemarketers. Additionally, telemarketing use of
automated calling systems to a wireless phone number is prohibited by
law, and will still be illegal even if a consumer chooses to have their
wireless number in the 411 service.

The wireless industry has historically advocated for these privacy
measures and broadly supported the federal Telephone Consumer Protection
Act. The Wireless 411 Service was designed specifically to control all
the opt-in wireless 411 listing information in a single
privacy-protected database and release it only through qualified OSCs in
single record responses to individual voice 411 requests.


Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Info on Communications


> How can you make a public directory and make it UN-available to
marketers???
> Duh - if I have a cell phone and get a directory, do I have to sign a
> paper saying I'm not a telemarketer and swear not to use it for evil?
> I think not.............
>
> BiLl
>
> > Hi Tommy.
> > I got this message yesterday and passed it on to my family.  Later I
> > checked it out on Scopes,  It seems several cell phone companies are
> > making 411 directories, but they claim they will not make them
available
> > to telemarketers.  It appears many people use cell phones as their
only
> > phone and have to pay to have their numbers listed in regular
> > directories, so this would be a directory of cell phone numbers and
you
> > would have the chance not to have your number listed.  Sounds good
in a
> > perfect world.
> >
> > Ron Haskell
> > rdhaskell at juno.com
> > Riverside California USA
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/
> >
> > On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:35:31 -0500 Judge Tommy Turner
<lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> > writes:
> >> This is somewhat off topic but since we have to have a mode of
> >> communications in transferring our thoughts and ideas, I thought I
> >> would
> >>   send this to the list for anyone that had not already seen it.
> >>
> >> I'm sure most of you are aware that a cell directory will soon be
> >> released that contains cell numbers.  As a result, your cell phone
> >> number will probably be accessed by telemarketers and you could
> >> possibly
> >> start receiveing numerous annoying calls each day running up your
> >> air
> >> time and monthly bill (if you receive a telemarketing call and you
> >> hang
> >> up after only 10 seconds, you will more than likely have one minute
> >>
> >> charged against your cell).  I've got a friend in the
Communications
> >>
> >> field who sent me the info below.  I thought I would pass it on
just
> >> in
> >> case you haven't already taken care of this.
> >>
> >> Tommy Turner
> >> Magnolia, KY
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Fri Dec 10 18:27:26 2004
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:27:26 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
Message-ID: <147.3ae52042.2eebb50e@aol.com>

Hi Glenn,
You can see all the Flying J prices across the country by going to 
flyingj.com and then to "fuel pricing" and from there to "gasoline pricing" .  You'll 
see gasoline, diesel and, propane all on the same page.

Ron

In a message dated 12/10/2004 8:20:19 PM Central Standard Time, 
glenn.karch at gte.net writes:
To all,

What has happened to gasoline prices in your area?  I just filled up at a
nearby Flying J Truck Stop for $1.46.9.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Dec 10 18:35:30 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:35:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
In-Reply-To: <020a01c4df0b$9980b5c0$381117d1@net.telenet.net>
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com><Pine.BSF.4.51.0412100857130.28826@vegeta.city-net.com>	<41B9E970.9020008@scrtc.com>
	<020a01c4df0b$9980b5c0$381117d1@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <41BA5CF2.30307@scrtc.com>


Steve,

    There still appears to be some loopholes.  Not the section that I 
cut and pasted from the info you provided:

"Additionally, telemarketing use of automated calling systems to a wireless phone number is prohibited by law, and will still be illegal even if a consumer chooses to have their wireless number in the 411 service."

Note the keywords "automated calling systems".  I haven't read the FCC language but if it reads like this (and I'll bet this came verbatim from their regulations) and its a "live person dialing" and not an automated system, it may be permitted.  I don't' want any air time minutes I could use making a deal on some old iron being taken up by someone wanting to sell me insurance.  I wouldn't mind my cell number being published.  But, I want to make sure its someone I need to talk to on the other end of the line.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY





>  
>




From rwenig at cable-lynx.net  Fri Dec 10 18:35:29 2004
From: rwenig at cable-lynx.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:35:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
In-Reply-To: <003101c4df25$68907c60$58c9e641@oemcomputer>
References: <003101c4df25$68907c60$58c9e641@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <41BA5CF1.9090306@cable-lynx.net>

Hello Glenn,
	I'll take all I can afford at that price. Reg. auto gas sells for $74.9 
around here. That's about $2.72C/US gal (about $218US). Price has been 
in this price range for some time now around here.
Premium grade is about .10/L ($0.40. gal) higher.
Rupert

Glenn A Karch wrote:
> To all,
> 
> What has happened to gasoline prices in your area?  I just filled up at a
> nearby Flying J Truck Stop for $1.46.9.
> 
> Glenn
> 
> Glenn Karch
> Haubstadt, IN, USA
> Hercules Historian
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

-- 
--
yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.
				
mailto://rwenig at cable-lynx.net	
		
http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/index.html



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 10 19:00:12 2004
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:00:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
References: <147.3ae52042.2eebb50e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001501c4df2d$91d69ca0$f4ecf504@x8h7l9>

They just fell to less than $2 a gallon in CT. I think I need to move.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <MaytagTwin at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT What has happen to gasoline price?


> Hi Glenn,
> You can see all the Flying J prices across the country by going to
> flyingj.com and then to "fuel pricing" and from there to "gasoline
pricing" .  You'll
> see gasoline, diesel and, propane all on the same page.
>
> Ron
>
> In a message dated 12/10/2004 8:20:19 PM Central Standard Time,
> glenn.karch at gte.net writes:
> To all,
>
> What has happened to gasoline prices in your area?  I just filled up at a
> nearby Flying J Truck Stop for $1.46.9.
>
> Glenn
>
> Glenn Karch
> Haubstadt, IN, USA
> Hercules Historian
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From ottawa at pa.net  Fri Dec 10 19:12:06 2004
From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:12:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
References: <003101c4df25$68907c60$58c9e641@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <00e801c4df2f$328b1850$cff0cd97@HONDESKTOP>

Wow!  To far to drive for a fill-up!  Yesterday, it was $1.749 at Flying J on US11 at Carlisle PA.  Flying J is usually the lowest priced gas in this area.....Helen

George L. & Helen S. Myers
Blain, PA  17006
The Ottawa Caretakers   ottawa at pa.net
Tel 717-536-3711
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Glenn A Karch 
  To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com 
  Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:01 PM
  Subject: [SEL] OT What has happen to gasoline price?


  To all,

  What has happened to gasoline prices in your area?  I just filled up at a
  nearby Flying J Truck Stop for $1.46.9.

  Glenn

  Glenn Karch
  Haubstadt, IN, USA
  Hercules Historian

  _______________________________________________
  SEL mailing list
  SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
  http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Dec 10 19:22:01 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:22:01 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: bischopp
In-Reply-To: <005701c4de45$c392bd20$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
Message-ID: <200412110321.iBB3LnfX073484@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

This Bisschop was at our rally a few years ago:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc01/s01bisschop.jpg


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From garyepps at fidnet.com  Fri Dec 10 19:59:38 2004
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:59:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
In-Reply-To: <41BA5CF2.30307@scrtc.com>
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com><Pine.BSF.4.51.0412100857130.28826@vegeta.city-net.com>	<41B9E970.9020008@scrtc.com>	<020a01c4df0b$9980b5c0$381117d1@net.telenet.net>
	<41BA5CF2.30307@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <41BA70AA.3090404@fidnet.com>

And with a flip phone you can't see who is calling until you turn in on 
by opening it so you use up precious minutes just trying to find out who 
is calling.

Gary

Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> 
> Steve,
> 
>    There still appears to be some loopholes.  Not the section that I cut 
> and pasted from the info you provided:
> 
> "Additionally, telemarketing use of automated calling systems to a 
> wireless phone number is prohibited by law, and will still be illegal 
> even if a consumer chooses to have their wireless number in the 411 
> service."
> 
> Note the keywords "automated calling systems".  I haven't read the FCC 
> language but if it reads like this (and I'll bet this came verbatim from 
> their regulations) and its a "live person dialing" and not an automated 
> system, it may be permitted.  I don't' want any air time minutes I could 
> use making a deal on some old iron being taken up by someone wanting to 
> sell me insurance.  I wouldn't mind my cell number being published.  
> But, I want to make sure its someone I need to talk to on the other end 
> of the line.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>  
>>
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> 

-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Fri Dec 10 20:33:07 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 04:33:07 -0000
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
References: <147.3ae52042.2eebb50e@aol.com>
	<001501c4df2d$91d69ca0$f4ecf504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <000601c4df3a$84346520$8c9f0952@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 3:00 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT What has happen to gasoline price?


> They just fell to less than $2 a gallon in CT. I think I need to move.
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT

I wish you guys would stop upsetting us, by telling us how lucky you are.
I just converted  Pound to US$ & UK gallon to US Gallon.
We are paying $5.36 per US Gallon.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Dec 10 20:45:42 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:45:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fw: bischopp
In-Reply-To: <200412110321.iBB3LnfX073484@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200412110321.iBB3LnfX073484@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <41BA7B76.3010108@scrtc.com>

Patrick,

    Do you know who owned that one?  I have a friend in England who has 
one and thought that might be his.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky



Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

>This Bisschop was at our rally a few years ago:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc01/s01bisschop.jpg
>
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>




From Aermoter at aol.com  Fri Dec 10 20:13:18 2004
From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:13:18 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
Message-ID: <f6.45897547.2eebcdde@aol.com>

Don't worry, I heard on the news tonight that the oil company's were going to 
stop production and create a shortage.  That should get the price back up 
again.

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Dec 10 23:26:50 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:26:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: bischopp
In-Reply-To: <41BA7B76.3010108@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <200412110726.iBB7Qctf014496@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi Tommy,
	That engine is part of the Powerhouse Museum collection here in
Sydney. I think this was one of the few times this engine has been on public
display as it lives in their storage sheds and not in the museum itself :(

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----
Patrick,

    Do you know who owned that one?  I have a friend in England who has 
one and thought that might be his.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky





From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Dec 11 00:24:47 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:24:47 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: bischopp
References: <200412110321.iBB3LnfX073484@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <00dc01c4df5a$e40fade0$47111bd3@athlon>

Yes but, it just sat there and never ran!!! That gives me the shits!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 2:22 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Fw: bischopp


> This Bisschop was at our rally a few years ago:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc01/s01bisschop.jpg
> 
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From ignitors at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 10 23:05:42 2004
From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 01:05:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
References: <003101c4df25$68907c60$58c9e641@oemcomputer>
	<00e801c4df2f$328b1850$cff0cd97@HONDESKTOP>
Message-ID: <003701c4df4f$d4a0b990$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>

It's in the mid $1.60's here on the Missouri side of our little village.

It has dropped like a stone ever since Nov. 2, makes me go ummmmm ???

Ted Brookover
Kansas City



From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Dec 11 02:13:47 2004
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:13:47 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
In-Reply-To: <003701c4df4f$d4a0b990$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>
Message-ID: <20041211101347.52293.qmail@web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

What's all the complaining about?  

The last time I was in the UK, petrol (gas) was the equivalent of about US$7.45 / US gallon.

Regards

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea

(Where I'm trying to dig it out as fast as I can for y'all)


	
	
		
___________________________________________________________ 
ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com


From wrl at gwltd.com  Sat Dec 11 03:38:54 2004
From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 05:38:54 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c4df76$0273e060$0500005a@laptop>

Since I did not bring it up, I have been in business with Verizon Wireless
for over 10 years, and I am very happy that Verizon has decided NOT to sell
it's customers numbers to this new national Wireless phone book. So if you
are a Verizon customer you have nothing to worry about. If your not a
Verzion customer, call your current Wireless carrier and tell them you wish
to cancel, and then go sign up with Verizon.
J. Dave Mayfield
www.w9wrl.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 7:35 AM
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications


> This is somewhat off topic but since we have to have a mode of
> communications in transferring our thoughts and ideas, I thought I would
>   send this to the list for anyone that had not already seen it.
>
> I'm sure most of you are aware that a cell directory will soon be
> released that contains cell numbers.  As a result, your cell phone
> number will probably be accessed by telemarketers and you could possibly
> start receiveing numerous annoying calls each day running up your air
> time and monthly bill (if you receive a telemarketing call and you hang
> up after only 10 seconds, you will more than likely have one minute
> charged against your cell).  I've got a friend in the Communications
> field who sent me the info below.  I thought I would pass it on just in
> case you haven't already taken care of this.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>
> In the coming weeks, cell phone numbers are being released to
> telemarketing companies and you will start to receive tele-sales calls.
> Call this number from your cell phone 888-382-1222. It is the National
> Do Not Call list. It blocks your number for 5 years.
>
> You can also register "do not call numbers" using the FCC web site at:
> https://www.donotcall.gov/default.aspx
> Remember, to register via phone you must call from the phone you wish to
> register.
>
>
> Howard Williams
> Charter Communications
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sat Dec 11 03:39:49 2004
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:39:49 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?[ Australian view]
References: <003101c4df25$68907c60$58c9e641@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <002601c4df77$408cd450$91a226ca@ogborneuah38i3>

You may well ask what has happened to Petrol prices! Diesel here in the part
of Australia where i come from ranges from A$ 1.05 to $1.10 a litre, petrol
sometimes gets to A$1.10 a litre,yes i know it is even dearer in other parts
of the country ....try crossing the ''Nullarbor. Interesting how the price
of the  US Barrel can fluctuate but the price at the bowser remains the
bloody same. Of course in our country the bloody bastard govt take their tax
according to the retail price so they are not going to even start thinking
about trying to reduce the cost to the motorist .Funny in the lead up to the
recent Federal election there was not one mention of the oil prices by
either parties!
Any way it has stuffed up my trip to the National Rally at Naracoorte, just
too damm expensive ........just a thought ,wasn't the invasion of Iraq going
to eleveate the problem?

From: "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 10:01 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT What has happen to gasoline price?


> To all,
>
> What has happened to gasoline prices in your area?  I just filled up at a
> nearby Flying J Truck Stop for $1.46.9.
>
> Glenn
>
> Glenn Karch
> Haubstadt, IN, USA
> Hercules Historian
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From wrl at gwltd.com  Sat Dec 11 03:50:48 2004
From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 05:50:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications OT
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com>	<pmbjr05nhgb6lsntr7mj29lqff03md7vr2@4ax.com><41B9BA8B.5010507@imc-group.com>
	<41B9EA18.2040408@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <004201c4df77$ae8a7bb0$0500005a@laptop>

This fax thing really burns my butt also. I had enough and changed my fax
number at my store, then I do not give it out unless I know who it is. I
don't even tell my employee's what the number is. So far I have not received
even one junk fax, and that has been 10 months ago. In fact I have thought
of just ripping the dam thing out and not having a fax. They are just almost
worthless anyway. How many times have you faxed something to someone, just
to have them call and ask were is the fax, then you have to fax it again,
and again.

Also never ever answer any questions from someone that calls and cask's you
to participate in a short survey. Just hang up and them.
J. Dave Mayfield
www.w9wrl.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Info on Communications OT


> Curt,
>
> Excellent point as the cost of faxes can get in the pocketbook.  I
> wonder if adding a fax line number to the Do Not Call list would do any
> good?  I wished there were a Do Not Spam list (other than filters).
> That would be a tremendous asset to all on the SEL.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> Curt wrote:
>
> > Peter wrote:
> >
> >>>>
> > Fax advertising .....that one really hacks me off! I get dozens of ads
> > for stock tips and cruise vacations every week on the fax machine,
> > despite the fact that I have NEVER given the number out to a mag.
> > subscription, survey, or anything.
> > Curt Holland
> > P.S. Sorry, I really should have taken this over to slick.
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From wrl at gwltd.com  Sat Dec 11 03:53:43 2004
From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 05:53:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
References: <003101c4df25$68907c60$58c9e641@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <007001c4df78$147e0810$0500005a@laptop>

Wow, that;s a low one for sure. Here in Moline, Illinois/ Davenport Iowa the
best you can do is about $172.9 and we have a hugh pipe line here, they
don't even have to truck it into this market.
J. Dave Mayfield
www.w9wrl.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 8:01 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT What has happen to gasoline price?


> To all,
>
> What has happened to gasoline prices in your area?  I just filled up at a
> nearby Flying J Truck Stop for $1.46.9.
>
> Glenn
>
> Glenn Karch
> Haubstadt, IN, USA
> Hercules Historian
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From wrl at gwltd.com  Sat Dec 11 03:56:11 2004
From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 05:56:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com><Pine.BSF.4.51.0412100857130.28826@vegeta.city-net.com>	<41B9E970.9020008@scrtc.com>	<020a01c4df0b$9980b5c0$381117d1@net.telenet.net><41BA5CF2.30307@scrtc.com>
	<41BA70AA.3090404@fidnet.com>
Message-ID: <009601c4df78$6cbd2060$0500005a@laptop>

Gary, then read your manual and set your phone not to answer when you open
it! o'yes your phone has this option.

J. Dave Mayfield
www.w9wrl.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Epps" <garyepps at fidnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Info on Communications


> And with a flip phone you can't see who is calling until you turn in on
> by opening it so you use up precious minutes just trying to find out who
> is calling.
>
> Gary
>
> Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> >    There still appears to be some loopholes.  Not the section that I cut
> > and pasted from the info you provided:
> >
> > "Additionally, telemarketing use of automated calling systems to a
> > wireless phone number is prohibited by law, and will still be illegal
> > even if a consumer chooses to have their wireless number in the 411
> > service."
> >
> > Note the keywords "automated calling systems".  I haven't read the FCC
> > language but if it reads like this (and I'll bet this came verbatim from
> > their regulations) and its a "live person dialing" and not an automated
> > system, it may be permitted.  I don't' want any air time minutes I could
> > use making a deal on some old iron being taken up by someone wanting to
> > sell me insurance.  I wouldn't mind my cell number being published.
> > But, I want to make sure its someone I need to talk to on the other end
> > of the line.
> >
> > Tommy Turner
> > Magnolia, KY
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move
> at a leisurely pace.
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From Aermoter at aol.com  Sat Dec 11 06:44:46 2004
From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:44:46 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fw: bischopp
Message-ID: <198.33f57764.2eec61de@aol.com>

The one in the private collection in Ann Arbor, MI is owned by Tom Stockman.  
He has quite a few rare pieces sitting around his shop, best part is that 
they are all set up to run.

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Dec 11 07:00:30 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:00:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fw: bischopp
In-Reply-To: <198.33f57764.2eec61de@aol.com>
References: <198.33f57764.2eec61de@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41BB0B8E.4070500@scrtc.com>

Tim,

	His name is Tom Stockton.  He had some connection with the Henry Ford 
Museum and from what I understand (and he briefly mentioned to me),  the 
Bischopp he has was discarded by the museum and considered too far gone 
to salvage.  He cut a deal with them and ended up with it.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Aermoter at aol.com wrote:

> The one in the private collection in Ann Arbor, MI is owned by Tom Stockman.  
> He has quite a few rare pieces sitting around his shop, best part is that 
> they are all set up to run.
> 
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor, Ks.
> Aermoter at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 



From EnginePaul at aol.com  Sat Dec 11 08:44:16 2004
From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:44:16 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?[ Australian view]
Message-ID: <5b.5ed14eba.2eec7de0@aol.com>

"....just a thought, wasn't the invasion of Iraq going
to eleveate the problem?"

No. We Americans were going to let Iraq keep the oil and run things on their 
own. 
The first time Americans had an oil problem in that area was right after 
W.W.II, The Russians stayed in Iran after the war and refused to leave. President 
Truman faced them down; the main reason was for the oil. NOT for us, but for 
England and Europe so they could rebuild.

I'm no expert, but there is barely enough production capacity to support the 
demand; it may be just the beginning of problems. 

Paul in San Francisco

PS I'm about to go up Highway 80, and I'll bet there will be lots of SUV's 
and such passing me doing at least 80 miles per hour. The same people who say 
the oil companies and the government cause high gas prices. Couldn't be their 
driving style or vehicle choice.

PPS Sorry for the politics


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sat Dec 11 15:19:50 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:19:50 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Is't true?
Message-ID: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

Is't true that the SEL is almost dead?

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Dec 11 15:39:17 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:39:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Is't true?
Message-ID: <20041211.153917.1140.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Not on this side of the pond.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:19:50 +0100 "John Hammink"
<jg.hammink at quicknet.nl> writes:
> Is't true that the SEL is almost dead?
> 
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
>


From alanb2 at webtv.net  Sat Dec 11 16:56:20 2004
From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:56:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Is it true?
In-Reply-To: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink@quicknet.nl>'s message of Sun,
	12 Dec 2004 00:19:50 +0100
Message-ID: <14780-41BB9734-6794@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net>

It sure seems slow, John,

Take a look at the Slick list though,,,
I just signed back off the Slick list because I didn't like some of the
content.
It gets a LOT more attention though than the SEL does.

Pretty sad,,,,,

We need some good Australian show pictures and reports to ponder.

Alan Bowen

~~~John?Hammink wrote~~~~~~

Is't true that the SEL is almost dead? 
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl 
__________________________________

Alan Bowen  alanb2 at webtv.net
Williamsburg, Michigan
http://community.webtv.net/alanb2/ATISAuctionItems




From garyepps at fidnet.com  Sat Dec 11 17:13:34 2004
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:13:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
In-Reply-To: <009601c4df78$6cbd2060$0500005a@laptop>
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com><Pine.BSF.4.51.0412100857130.28826@vegeta.city-net.com>	<41B9E970.9020008@scrtc.com>	<020a01c4df0b$9980b5c0$381117d1@net.telenet.net><41BA5CF2.30307@scrtc.com>	<41BA70AA.3090404@fidnet.com>
	<009601c4df78$6cbd2060$0500005a@laptop>
Message-ID: <41BB9B3E.2040002@fidnet.com>

Hi Dave, Thanks for the heads up.  I have now changed the setting. 
There are apparently a lot of things to explore on that little thing.

Gary

Dave Mayfield wrote:
> Gary, then read your manual and set your phone not to answer when you open
> it! o'yes your phone has this option.
> 
> J. Dave Mayfield
> www.w9wrl.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Epps" <garyepps at fidnet.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Info on Communications
> 
> 
> 
>>And with a flip phone you can't see who is calling until you turn in on
>>by opening it so you use up precious minutes just trying to find out who
>>is calling.
>>
>>Gary
>>
>>Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>>
>>>Steve,
>>>
>>>   There still appears to be some loopholes.  Not the section that I cut
>>>and pasted from the info you provided:
>>>
>>>"Additionally, telemarketing use of automated calling systems to a
>>>wireless phone number is prohibited by law, and will still be illegal
>>>even if a consumer chooses to have their wireless number in the 411
>>>service."
>>>
>>>Note the keywords "automated calling systems".  I haven't read the FCC
>>>language but if it reads like this (and I'll bet this came verbatim from
>>>their regulations) and its a "live person dialing" and not an automated
>>>system, it may be permitted.  I don't' want any air time minutes I could
>>>use making a deal on some old iron being taken up by someone wanting to
>>>sell me insurance.  I wouldn't mind my cell number being published.
>>>But, I want to make sure its someone I need to talk to on the other end
>>>of the line.
>>>
>>>Tommy Turner
>>>Magnolia, KY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move
>>at a leisurely pace.
>>
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> 
> 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> 

-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Dec 11 07:04:00 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:04:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
In-Reply-To: <f6.45897547.2eebcdde@aol.com>
References: <f6.45897547.2eebcdde@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041211095959.0236c880@mail.alltel.net>

At 11:13 PM 12/10/2004, you wrote:
>Don't worry, I heard on the news tonight that the oil company's were going to
>stop production and create a shortage.  That should get the price back up
>again.
>Tim Christoff

Hi Tim,
         I think you must referring to OPEC which said that they were 
cutting production by some 1,000,000 barrels a day. There would be NO POINT 
in the oil companies cutting production of product if they have the 
capacity to produce it and the raw material to use.
         Dave
PS, Or, perhaps, the companies are cutting back on gasoline production in 
order to produce more heating oil for the winter months. 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Dec 11 09:05:57 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:05:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?[ Australian
  view]
In-Reply-To: <5b.5ed14eba.2eec7de0@aol.com>
References: <5b.5ed14eba.2eec7de0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041211115104.023fb3a0@mail.alltel.net>


>Paul in San Francisco
>
>PS I'm about to go up Highway 80, and I'll bet there will be lots of SUV's
>and such passing me doing at least 80 miles per hour. The same people who say
>the oil companies and the government cause high gas prices. Couldn't be their
>driving style or vehicle choice.

Hi Paul,
         How did you come to this conclusion? Do you stop these people and 
ask them a series of questions? Have you found (in doing your research on 
this topic) that it is only SUV owners who complain about the price of 
gasoline? Do your fellow Hugo drivers who drive 40mpr on Highway 80 say the 
same thing? Does there seem to be a difference in attitude between those 
SUV drivers who make over $200,000.00 per year and those who make under 
$200,000.00 per year? Is there a difference in attitude between those who 
own stock in oil companies and those on welfare? Do those who haul old iron 
in trailers behind their "SUV's and such" hold the same opinions as those 
who drive Hugo's? Does the colo(u)r of the SUV tend to make any difference? 
Does the colo(u)r of the driver?
         Dave 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Dec 11 15:24:38 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:24:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Is't true?
In-Reply-To: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041211182401.0240c058@mail.alltel.net>

At 06:19 PM 12/11/2004, you wrote:
>Is't true that the SEL is almost dead?
>
>John Hammink

Hi John, It depends on the meaning of "almost."
         Dave 



From rexhinz at chorus.net  Sat Dec 11 13:31:18 2004
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:31:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?[ Australian view]
References: <5b.5ed14eba.2eec7de0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000901c4dfc8$c4be0fe0$7586a5d8@mycomputer>

Good point Paul , Good thing oil tastes awful or it would all be gone by now
;-)

  Rex

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <EnginePaul at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT What has happen to gasoline price?[ Australian view]


> "....just a thought, wasn't the invasion of Iraq going
> to eleveate the problem?"
>
> No. We Americans were going to let Iraq keep the oil and run things on
their
> own.
> The first time Americans had an oil problem in that area was right after
> W.W.II, The Russians stayed in Iran after the war and refused to leave.
President
> Truman faced them down; the main reason was for the oil. NOT for us, but
for
> England and Europe so they could rebuild.
>
> I'm no expert, but there is barely enough production capacity to support
the
> demand; it may be just the beginning of problems.
>
> Paul in San Francisco
>
> PS I'm about to go up Highway 80, and I'll bet there will be lots of SUV's
> and such passing me doing at least 80 miles per hour. The same people who
say
> the oil companies and the government cause high gas prices. Couldn't be
their
> driving style or vehicle choice.
>
> PPS Sorry for the politics
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Dec 11 18:14:06 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:14:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Is't true?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041211182401.0240c058@mail.alltel.net>
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041211182401.0240c058@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <8065747A-4BE3-11D9-BF34-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

What is the meaning of "Is't?"


> Hi John, It depends on the meaning of "almost."
>         Dave
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From falcon at telenet.net  Sat Dec 11 20:13:57 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:13:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com> <000b01c4df76$0273e060$0500005a@laptop>
Message-ID: <003701c4e001$01a50e80$3b1117d1@net.telenet.net>

To bad they are NOT SELLING the numbers. Maybe you should ask Verizon
about it as well since I have already talked to some folks about it and
was told by all of them that Verizon customers WILL have to OPT-IN  to
be on the list. That is the same as everyone else. If you ask to be
included you will be. If you do NOTHING or tall them NO you will NOT be
included. That simple.

Oh and I was a verizon customer for 4 years. Now I am with Cingular.
Better customer support and MUCH better coverage.

BUT the carrier you choose is up to you.
This is my last post on this since it is WAY of topic. Sorry Spencer.

Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Mayfield" <wrl at gwltd.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Info on Communications


> Since I did not bring it up, I have been in business with Verizon
Wireless
> for over 10 years, and I am very happy that Verizon has decided NOT to
sell
> it's customers numbers to this new national Wireless phone book. So if
you
> are a Verizon customer you have nothing to worry about. If your not a
> Verzion customer, call your current Wireless carrier and tell them you
wish
> to cancel, and then go sign up with Verizon.
> J. Dave Mayfield
> www.w9wrl.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 7:35 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
>
>
> > This is somewhat off topic but since we have to have a mode of
> > communications in transferring our thoughts and ideas, I thought I
would
> >   send this to the list for anyone that had not already seen it.
> >
> > I'm sure most of you are aware that a cell directory will soon be
> > released that contains cell numbers.  As a result, your cell phone
> > number will probably be accessed by telemarketers and you could
possibly
> > start receiveing numerous annoying calls each day running up your
air
> > time and monthly bill (if you receive a telemarketing call and you
hang
> > up after only 10 seconds, you will more than likely have one minute
> > charged against your cell).  I've got a friend in the Communications
> > field who sent me the info below.  I thought I would pass it on just
in
> > case you haven't already taken care of this.
> >
> > Tommy Turner
> > Magnolia, KY
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In the coming weeks, cell phone numbers are being released to
> > telemarketing companies and you will start to receive tele-sales
calls.
> > Call this number from your cell phone 888-382-1222. It is the
National
> > Do Not Call list. It blocks your number for 5 years.
> >
> > You can also register "do not call numbers" using the FCC web site
at:
> > https://www.donotcall.gov/default.aspx
> > Remember, to register via phone you must call from the phone you
wish to
> > register.
> >
> >
> > Howard Williams
> > Charter Communications
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Dec 11 20:33:24 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 20:33:24 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Is't true?
In-Reply-To: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <200412120433.iBC4XSUN031065@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


> Is't true that the SEL is almost dead?

Ahdunno John, it's a complex question.  

Been working on any engines?  I didn't work on engines today, but in the
afternoon I needed a break from the chores so I whipped up some toys that are
used when working on engines.  On topic, right?

You see, I don't like the big, fat store-bought file handles.  They don't allow
me to hold the file where I have the most control, so I prefer something smaller
diameter and cylindrical.  I've also decided that handle-less files are a bit
dangerous.  

Another reason for the exercise is that I really like using tools that were
fabricated, whether they're of my own creation or someone else's.

This whole exercise is pretty mundane, but might be of  any interest because a
few months ago someone was asking about bottlebrush trees.  The handles I made
are from the bottlebrush tree in our backyard.
http://temp.rustyiron.com/bottlebrush-file-handles.jpg


=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Dec 11 16:47:54 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:47:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Is't true?
In-Reply-To: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <7591EA96-4BD7-11D9-BF34-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Kinda quiet the last few days.

On Dec 11, 2004, at 6:19 PM, John Hammink wrote:

> Is't true that the SEL is almost dead?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From segray at mlode.com  Sat Dec 11 21:42:42 2004
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:42:42 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
In-Reply-To: <007001c4df78$147e0810$0500005a@laptop>
References: <003101c4df25$68907c60$58c9e641@oemcomputer>
	<007001c4df78$147e0810$0500005a@laptop>
Message-ID: <41BBDA52.6060607@mlode.com>

   We've dropped down to $2.199 for regular this past week here in 
Sonora CA. Been floating around the $2.40 mark for the last several 
months for both gas and diesel. Premium's been pushing $2.60. Haven't 
seen much under $2 for a couple of years now. 'Course with Kalifornia's 
'secret' ingredients and idiot smog laws, we have Kalifornia gas vs. 49 
state gas and you KNOW which is more at the pumps...  Worst I've heard 
it was $3.10 up the hill from me early this year for all the snow 
bunnies going to do their thing.

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



Dave Mayfield wrote:

>Wow, that;s a low one for sure. Here in Moline, Illinois/ Davenport Iowa the
>best you can do is about $172.9 and we have a hugh pipe line here, they
>don't even have to truck it into this market.
>J. Dave Mayfield
>www.w9wrl.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 8:01 PM
>Subject: [SEL] OT What has happen to gasoline price?
>
>
>  
>
>>To all,
>>
>>What has happened to gasoline prices in your area?  I just filled up at a
>>nearby Flying J Truck Stop for $1.46.9.
>>
>>Glenn
>>
>>Glenn Karch
>>Haubstadt, IN, USA
>>Hercules Historian
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Sat Dec 11 21:53:43 2004
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:53:43 +1100
Subject: [SEL] RETURN
Message-ID: <013401c4e00e$f09e80e0$113354d2@cam>

Hi list members.
                       Well I have finally finished work again after 13
months ( not bad when I went back for 3 or 4 ) and I'm back to enjoy the
list and it's friendly members   again and I can also get back to the
engines  and start trotting off to the Shows again (no pressure to be home
at a set time) Well I better get going and start reading. Catchya's Cam
Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW
Australia




From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Dec 11 21:52:52 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:52:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Is't true?
Message-ID: <20041212.010433.888.7.jlb94@juno.com>

Are we gonna start THIS again ?

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
 \/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:19:50 +0100 "John Hammink"
<jg.hammink at quicknet.nl> writes:
> Is't true that the SEL is almost dead?
> 
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Dec 11 22:32:59 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:32:59 +1100
Subject: [SEL] RETURN
In-Reply-To: <013401c4e00e$f09e80e0$113354d2@cam>
Message-ID: <200412120632.iBC6WjgN089478@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Welcome back Cam!

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----

Hi list members.
                       Well I have finally finished work again after 13
months ( not bad when I went back for 3 or 4 ) and I'm back to enjoy the
list and it's friendly members   again and I can also get back to the
engines  and start trotting off to the Shows again (no pressure to be home
at a set time) Well I better get going and start reading. Catchya's Cam
Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW
Australia





From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Sat Dec 11 22:47:14 2004
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:47:14 +1100
Subject: [SEL] RETURN
References: <013401c4e00e$f09e80e0$113354d2@cam>
Message-ID: <003a01c4e016$6a97eba0$03b41dd3@morris>

Welcome back mate,tis time to restart some engines.

Kerry

> Hi list members.
>                       Well I have finally finished work again after 13
> months ( not bad when I went back for 3 or 4 ) and I'm back to enjoy the
> list and it's friendly members   again and I can also get back to the
> engines  and start trotting off to the Shows again (no pressure to be home
> at a set time) Well I better get going and start reading. Catchya's Cam
> Cam and Edwina Grundy



From segray at mlode.com  Sat Dec 11 23:01:14 2004
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:01:14 -0800
Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
In-Reply-To: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>

Hi All -

Well, if the SEL is too quiet, I'll try to throw something here of 
interest into the pot for (sort of) a change of scenery. After close to 
1000 hours of work, I've finished the Mery model. Just need a stand for 
it now, a LOT of paint touch up and maybe a small added accessory later 
on. Some rough pictures are at:

http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/

To give you an idea of it's size, a majority of the bolt heads are 5/32" 
and the piping is either 3/16", 1/4". The intake manifold is 5/16", the 
spark plug threads are 1/4-32. A lot of work, but a lot of fun! Enjoy....

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



John Hammink wrote:

>Is't true that the SEL is almost dead?
>
>John Hammink
>Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
>jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>





From driggars at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 12 00:16:40 2004
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:16:40 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
	<41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <014e01c4e022$e91083a0$16478304@clinton>

Steve

all I have to say is WOW!  Nice engine. 

where did you get the plans for that one?
Clint


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Gray" <segray at mlode.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 1:01 AM
Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at


> Hi All -
> 
> Well, if the SEL is too quiet, I'll try to throw something here of 
> interest into the pot for (sort of) a change of scenery. After close to 
> 1000 hours of work, I've finished the Mery model. Just need a stand for 
> it now, a LOT of paint touch up and maybe a small added accessory later 
> on. Some rough pictures are at:
> 
> http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/
> 
> To give you an idea of it's size, a majority of the bolt heads are 5/32" 
> and the piping is either 3/16", 1/4". The intake manifold is 5/16", the 
> spark plug threads are 1/4-32. A lot of work, but a lot of fun! Enjoy....
> 
> - Steve
> 
> -- 
> Steve Gray
> Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
> Sonora, California USA
> e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
> Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com
> 
> 
> 
> John Hammink wrote:
> 
> >Is't true that the SEL is almost dead?
> >
> >John Hammink
> >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From segray at mlode.com  Sun Dec 12 00:31:54 2004
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:31:54 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
In-Reply-To: <014e01c4e022$e91083a0$16478304@clinton>
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>	<41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>
	<014e01c4e022$e91083a0$16478304@clinton>
Message-ID: <41BC01FA.7080509@mlode.com>

Thanks Clint. It's a machinist kit; castings and blue prints. Go to 
http://www.morrisonandmartin.com/mery.htm for a look-see.

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



Clint D wrote:

>Steve
>
>all I have to say is WOW!  Nice engine. 
>
>where did you get the plans for that one?
>Clint
>
>
>  
>





From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Sun Dec 12 00:35:33 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:35:33 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Is't true?
In-Reply-To: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <n70or05ak06eskckf6qt8oi7gcbvf0r65p@4ax.com>

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:19:50 +0100, you wrote:

>Is't true that the SEL is almost dead?

Sounds like the annual question that pops up each year, John.

We have had no time at all this year for anything on the engines as we have been
too busy at work, so apart from a couple of engine shows in the UK and the
Portland and Tulare trips we haven't done a lot at all. On the workshop
machinery side we have been very busy indeed, acquiring a CNC engraver and other
tooling to go on the milling machines.

There is plenty of activity though, have a look on Smokestak, Sparks 'n Arcs etc
on Harry's site plus the Slick list.

It can be too easy to rely on one source as a guide to engine activity out
there, and with Xmas coming there are a lot of other things to keep folks
occupied. I had to make a conscious decision to get away from the 'puter as it
can be too easy to sit there waiting for something to turn up, instead of doing
something practical instead.

The time of year in the northern hemisphere also means winter and cold weather
for most of us, so outdoor work tends to slow down.

I think you will find that this same subject crops up every year on the lists,
and the newsgroups are quiet as well BTW.

Peter




From michael.y at ozemail.com.au  Sun Dec 12 01:35:55 2004
From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:35:55 +1100
Subject: [SEL] RETURN
References: <013401c4e00e$f09e80e0$113354d2@cam>
Message-ID: <004101c4e02d$fc0bd300$0301a8c0@Young1203>

sound good Cam,

Micahel Young
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
To: "LISTMAIL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 4:53 PM
Subject: [SEL] RETURN


> Hi list members.
>                        Well I have finally finished work again after 13
> months ( not bad when I went back for 3 or 4 ) and I'm back to enjoy the
> list and it's friendly members   again and I can also get back to the
> engines  and start trotting off to the Shows again (no pressure to be home
> at a set time) Well I better get going and start reading. Catchya's Cam
> Cam and Edwina Grundy
> Kariong
> Gosford   NSW
> Australia
>
>
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 12 03:34:38 2004
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 03:34:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
In-Reply-To: <41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <20041212113438.74740.qmail@web14126.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Steve,
Your Mery looks great. I know, lots of hours involved.  Mine is complete except for the ignition system. I'm thinking of using a Hall system. What are you using? Also what are you doing for a cooling water system?  I made a piston pump and am driving it off the crankshaft. The flow then goes into a holding tank. I made and mounted the engine and cooling system on a box made of 3/4 plywood for a top and 3/4 oak sides. There is a drawer in each end to hole the electrical in one and the fuel system in the other. In the center area is a panel where the remote propane tank connects and valving to control, shutoff flow as is the pressure regulator. 
Fun project.
Ron

Steve Gray <segray at mlode.com> wrote:
Hi All -

Well, if the SEL is too quiet, I'll try to throw something here of 
interest into the pot for (sort of) a change of scenery. After close to 
1000 hours of work, I've finished the Mery model. Just need a stand for 
it now, a LOT of paint touch up and maybe a small added accessory later 
on. Some rough pictures are at:

http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/

To give you an idea of it's size, a majority of the bolt heads are 5/32" 
and the piping is either 3/16", 1/4". The intake manifold is 5/16", the 
spark plug threads are 1/4-32. A lot of work, but a lot of fun! Enjoy....

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail: segray at mlode.com
Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com



John Hammink wrote:

>Is't true that the SEL is almost dead?
>
>John Hammink
>Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
>jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
>
>
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sun Dec 12 04:04:12 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:04:12 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Is't true?
References: <200412120433.iBC4XSUN031065@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <001101c4e042$b1a7e410$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

That's ones choice Rob, they are good looking handles and
a for me exotic kind of wood.
I'm working on different projects and all day bussy, but when
at the keyboard there is a low traffic at the SEL and the subjects
are not much of interest, even the charity auction is very low of
interest with just a few items, nothing special or exciting.

When I see Harry's new board, there're 1015 registered members 
just in 6 weeks that it runs with lots of interesting subjects, photos
images and the kind. You have seen it yourself isn't it?

That's why I asked, "Is the SEL almost dead" and the meaning
of  "almost" is in this case your own reading.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



> Ahdunno John, it's a complex question.  
> 
> Been working on any engines?  I didn't work on engines today, but in the
> afternoon I needed a break from the chores so I whipped up some toys that are
> used when working on engines.  On topic, right?
> 
> You see, I don't like the big, fat store-bought file handles.  They don't allow
> me to hold the file where I have the most control, so I prefer something smaller
> diameter and cylindrical.  I've also decided that handle-less files are a bit
> dangerous.  
> 
> Another reason for the exercise is that I really like using tools that were
> fabricated, whether they're of my own creation or someone else's.
> 
> This whole exercise is pretty mundane, but might be of  any interest because a
> few months ago someone was asking about bottlebrush trees.  The handles I made
> are from the bottlebrush tree in our backyard.
> http://temp.rustyiron.com/bottlebrush-file-handles.jpg
> 
> 
> =-=-=-=-=-=
> Rob Skinner
> La Habra, California
> mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
> http://www.rustyiron.com 
> 
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> 



From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Sun Dec 12 04:28:57 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (diesel at easynet.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:28:57 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Is't true?
In-Reply-To: <001101c4e042$b1a7e410$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
References: <200412120433.iBC4XSUN031065@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<001101c4e042$b1a7e410$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <1102854537.41bc3989d8e0c@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk>

Quoting John Hammink <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>:

> That's ones choice Rob, they are good looking handles and
> a for me exotic kind of wood.
> I'm working on different projects and all day bussy, but when
> at the keyboard there is a low traffic at the SEL and the subjects
> are not much of interest, even the charity auction is very low of
> interest with just a few items, nothing special or exciting.

Certainly has been a low response this year, we haven't got a lot of stuff that 
would go on there at present, but I'll have another dig through the pile in the 
workshop...

> When I see Harry's new board, there're 1015 registered members 
> just in 6 weeks that it runs with lots of interesting subjects, photos
> images and the kind. You have seen it yourself isn't it?

Harry always had a large number of people, John, a lot of whom don't use the SEL 
list for one reason or another. The pictures facility is useful, and a plus 
point for those wanting or needing to show an object of an engine to others for 
comments etc. We have that as well, we just use our sites on Oldengine.org.

> That's why I asked, "Is the SEL almost dead" and the meaning
> of  "almost" is in this case your own reading.

It's just the time of year, things will pick up again, promise!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk
Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Dec 12 05:35:03 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:35:03 -0500
Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
In-Reply-To: <41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
	<41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <41BC4907.4040507@scrtc.com>

Great work Steve!  I would say if you finished it in 1000 hours you're a 
pretty good machinist.  A lot of work in that baby.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Steve Gray wrote:

> Hi All -
>
> Well, if the SEL is too quiet, I'll try to throw something here of 
> interest into the pot for (sort of) a change of scenery. After close 
> to 1000 hours of work, I've finished the Mery model. Just need a stand 
> for it now, a LOT of paint touch up and maybe a small added accessory 
> later on. Some rough pictures are at:
>
> http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/
>
> To give you an idea of it's size, a majority of the bolt heads are 
> 5/32" and the piping is either 3/16", 1/4". The intake manifold is 
> 5/16", the spark plug threads are 1/4-32. A lot of work, but a lot of 
> fun! Enjoy....
>
> - Steve
>




From d.fleming at sasktel.net  Sun Dec 12 05:42:17 2004
From: d.fleming at sasktel.net (D. Fleming)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 07:42:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <000d01c4e050$6721f260$b2c36e40@flemingwin98>

who stationary-engine


From wrl at gwltd.com  Sun Dec 12 06:14:19 2004
From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:14:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com><Pine.BSF.4.51.0412100857130.28826@vegeta.city-net.com>	<41B9E970.9020008@scrtc.com>	<020a01c4df0b$9980b5c0$381117d1@net.telenet.net><41BA5CF2.30307@scrtc.com>	<41BA70AA.3090404@fidnet.com><009601c4df78$6cbd2060$0500005a@laptop>
	<41BB9B3E.2040002@fidnet.com>
Message-ID: <009901c4e057$054e2340$0500005a@laptop>

Yep, glad you found it. I cant tell you how many times I have had one of my
customers come in for this very thing.

J. Dave Mayfield
www.w9wrl.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Epps" <garyepps at fidnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Info on Communications


> Hi Dave, Thanks for the heads up.  I have now changed the setting.
> There are apparently a lot of things to explore on that little thing.
>
> Gary
>
> Dave Mayfield wrote:
> > Gary, then read your manual and set your phone not to answer when you
open
> > it! o'yes your phone has this option.
> >
> > J. Dave Mayfield
> > www.w9wrl.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gary Epps" <garyepps at fidnet.com>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Info on Communications
> >
> >
> >
> >>And with a flip phone you can't see who is calling until you turn in on
> >>by opening it so you use up precious minutes just trying to find out who
> >>is calling.
> >>
> >>Gary
> >>
> >>Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> >>
> >>>Steve,
> >>>
> >>>   There still appears to be some loopholes.  Not the section that I
cut
> >>>and pasted from the info you provided:
> >>>
> >>>"Additionally, telemarketing use of automated calling systems to a
> >>>wireless phone number is prohibited by law, and will still be illegal
> >>>even if a consumer chooses to have their wireless number in the 411
> >>>service."
> >>>
> >>>Note the keywords "automated calling systems".  I haven't read the FCC
> >>>language but if it reads like this (and I'll bet this came verbatim
from
> >>>their regulations) and its a "live person dialing" and not an automated
> >>>system, it may be permitted.  I don't' want any air time minutes I
could
> >>>use making a deal on some old iron being taken up by someone wanting to
> >>>sell me insurance.  I wouldn't mind my cell number being published.
> >>>But, I want to make sure its someone I need to talk to on the other end
> >>>of the line.
> >>>
> >>>Tommy Turner
> >>>Magnolia, KY
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>SEL mailing list
> >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>--
> >>In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move
> >>at a leisurely pace.
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
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> >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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> >>
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move
> at a leisurely pace.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sun Dec 12 06:33:22 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:33:22 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Is't true?
References: <200412120433.iBC4XSUN031065@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><001101c4e042$b1a7e410$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
	<1102854537.41bc3989d8e0c@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000f01c4e057$8898d330$3e636854@Sixmjohn>


Thanks Peter for your posts and explanation, I think
I can live with that.

John H.


> Quoting John Hammink <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>:
> 
> > That's ones choice Rob, they are good looking handles and
> > a for me exotic kind of wood.
> > I'm working on different projects and all day bussy, but when
> > at the keyboard there is a low traffic at the SEL and the subjects
> > are not much of interest, even the charity auction is very low of
> > interest with just a few items, nothing special or exciting.
> 
> Certainly has been a low response this year, we haven't got a lot of stuff that 
> would go on there at present, but I'll have another dig through the pile in the 
> workshop...
> 
> > When I see Harry's new board, there're 1015 registered members 
> > just in 6 weeks that it runs with lots of interesting subjects, photos
> > images and the kind. You have seen it yourself isn't it?
> 
> Harry always had a large number of people, John, a lot of whom don't use the SEL 
> list for one reason or another. The pictures facility is useful, and a plus 
> point for those wanting or needing to show an object of an engine to others for 
> comments etc. We have that as well, we just use our sites on Oldengine.org.
> 
> > That's why I asked, "Is the SEL almost dead" and the meaning
> > of  "almost" is in this case your own reading.
> 
> It's just the time of year, things will pick up again, promise!
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk
> Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel




From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Dec 12 06:47:43 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:47:43 EST
Subject: [SEL] Is't true?
Message-ID: <1db.31260546.2eedb40f@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/12/2004 12:44:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
rskinner at rustyiron.com writes:

<< The handles I made
 are from the bottlebrush tree in our backyard. >>


Rob,

Nice turned file handles!  So what is a bottlebrush tree?

Many years ago while on business in California I was able to visit with some 
relatives one evening.  They had a lemon tree in the yard full of lemons.  She 
practically had to force me to bring Millie a bag of lemons home to Virginia. 
 Millie made lemonade with them and it was undoubtedly the most delicious 
lemonade I ever had.  Wish later that I had shipped a barrel full home!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Dec 12 06:54:50 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:54:50 EST
Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
Message-ID: <157.45d928a3.2eedb5ba@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/12/2004 2:35:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
segray at mlode.com writes:

<< After close to 
 1000 hours of work, I've finished the Mery model.  >>


Steve,  

That is a lot of beautiful work and great patience!  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Dec 12 07:05:17 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:05:17 EST
Subject: [SEL] Reid question
Message-ID: <159.46313d29.2eedb82d@aol.com>

While rereading the December issue of GEM for the 4th time, I noted some 
information on the Reid engine (pg 26) that got my curiosity up.  It said that 
Reid sold a lot of "hot tubes" for replacement parts because they were stolen 
from the engine to make rings out of silver.  Was some part of the hot tube made 
out of silver and if so, how come?  

Always nice to learn something new!

Thanks, 

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com

ps:  I am not dead on the SEL as I woke up this morning breathing.  What a 
great feeling!


From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Sat Dec 11 13:18:56 2004
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 22:18:56 +0100
Subject: [SEL] R&V question
References: <f4.45c8788f.2eeb2e62@aol.com>
	<005301c4deed$7c1df510$3775833e@harryp1811>
	<000501c4df0d$e94e2cc0$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <00b901c4dfc7$0602cfb0$3775833e@harryp1811>

Hi John,
I already have you picture's printed and in the workshop!
They sure are important to me as now I know what the mixer should look
like;)
I already got them though, as last year you got me a CD with about 100 R&V
pictures taken at the R&V reunion.
You took many detail pictures for me! works great!!


Harry Terpstra
Sint Annaparochie
Netherlands
h.terpstra at wxs.nl
http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] R&V question


> Hi Harry, I guess you're constructing this:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/R&V1.jpg
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/R&V2.jpg
>
> C-U,
>
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Dec 12 07:33:49 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:33:49 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
Message-ID: <1a7.2d068680.2eedbedd@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/11/2004 10:20:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  segra
y at mlode.com writes:

We've dropped down to $2.199 for regular this past week here in 
Sonora CA.  Been floating around the $2.40 mark for the last several 
months for both  gas and diesel. Premium's been pushing $2.60. Haven't 
seen much under $2  for a couple of years now.


It is about the same price here in the Santa Maria area.   Gasoline is 
usually cheaper in San Luis Obispo county than it is here.  In  Santa Barbara, there 
is one gas station that has its prices at least 50 cent  higher per gallon 
and they seem to stay in business.
Just before the hurricanes hit Florida, the price for regular was  down to 
$2.06.
 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Dec 12 07:54:47 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:54:47 -0500
Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
In-Reply-To: <41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
	<41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212105402.0242a398@mail.alltel.net>

My Goodness, THAT IS NICE!
         Dave
>Hi All -
>Well, if the SEL is too quiet, I'll try to throw something here of 
>interest into the pot for (sort of) a change of scenery. After close to 
>1000 hours of work, I've finished the Mery model. Just need a stand for it 
>now, a LOT of paint touch up and maybe a small added accessory later on. 
>Some rough picture
>http://www.oldengineshed.c
>To give you an idea of it's size, a majority of the bolt heads are 5/32" 
>and the piping is either 3/16", 1/4". The intake manifold is 5/16", the 
>spark plug threads are 1/4-32. A lot of work, but a lot of fun! Enjoy....
>- Steve



From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Dec 12 08:24:19 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:24:19 -0500
Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
Message-ID: <20041212.112440.920.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Wow !!! - Steve,

Really good looking engine.  Unfortunately, I don't have the machinery,
nor the place to set it up to do that kind of thing.

This year I really don't have a "winter project" so I've been putzing
around with some of the old stuff on the shelves.  Mostly Briggs & REO. 
made a couple of siphon tubes with check ball for 2 Briggs tanks. 
Cleaned up several engines just to get the cob webs off and clean out the
fuel systems.

I ordered an oil seal for the REO from my local bearing shop and it will
be in soon.
Maybe, after all these years, I can run it without a sea of oil around
it.

I have a Solid Rust IDEAL upright waiting to be worked on.  The last time
I tended to it,
I had to scoop a crankcase full of "baby dung" out.  It was making me gag
as I was scooping and the thought of it was a little upsetting
afterwards.  I'm not sure what the future will be for the IDEAL just yet.

Well - Not much else here.  
Got to run - We're holding a Christmas Party for the member's kids of our
lodge today.

Have a good'un.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
 \/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Dec 12 08:50:16 2004
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:50:16 -0000
Subject: [SEL] International shipping
Message-ID: <007e01c4e06a$c1a18600$369ae150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi all ,

        I have just spent the day unpacking and playing with my new toys that I bought when visiting Portland in august.
        I would like to say a big thanks to all who helped with the engines either at portland or in getting them to New York.

        See you latter ,
                               Craig in Scotland

From wilson at stny.rr.com  Sat Dec 11 10:40:14 2004
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:40:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
In-Reply-To: <003101c4df25$68907c60$58c9e641@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <GAEKIMAIANIDDENKHPAOIEGNNGAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>

Around here, $2.019 is a GOOD price for regular
Glenn Wilson, Endicott, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Glenn A
Karch
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:02 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] OT What has happen to gasoline price?


To all,

What has happened to gasoline prices in your area?  I just filled up at a
nearby Flying J Truck Stop for $1.46.9.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian

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From Vivas1993 at aol.com  Sun Dec 12 10:27:24 2004
From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:27:24 EST
Subject: [SEL] Reid question
Message-ID: <85.1cd0c473.2eede78c@aol.com>

Hi Tom,
 I'm pretty sure that these hot tubes were not a true silver. They were made 
from an alloy called German Silver, also known as Nickel Silver. These alloys 
contained no real silver, but were called that because of their silver color. 
 It's been a great week for engine magazines, got my new issue of GEM, SEM, & 
TOMM. Lot's of reading to do :-)

 Dwight Vivas
 Matoaca, VA.


From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Dec 12 10:37:37 2004
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:37:37 -0000
Subject: [SEL] gas prices
Message-ID: <003101c4e079$a9153320$5094e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi all,
        You folks across the pond don't know how luck that you are with the price of gas , as here in scotland once I convert from the dreaded litres to gallons and multiply by the exchange rate it works out at about $8.50 per gallon. If that isn't bad enough approximately 75% of the pump price goes to the goverment in the way of taxes.

From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Dec 12 10:43:19 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:43:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Reid question
In-Reply-To: <85.1cd0c473.2eede78c@aol.com>
References: <85.1cd0c473.2eede78c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41BC9147.6000700@scrtc.com>

Dwight,

    I think its the same material that most ignitor points were made of.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Vivas1993 at aol.com wrote:

>Hi Tom,
> I'm pretty sure that these hot tubes were not a true silver. They were made 
>from an alloy called German Silver, also known as Nickel Silver. These alloys 
>contained no real silver, but were called that because of their silver color. 
> It's been a great week for engine magazines, got my new issue of GEM, SEM, & 
>TOMM. Lot's of reading to do :-)
>
> Dwight Vivas
> Matoaca, VA.
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Sun Dec 12 08:28:17 2004
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:28:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Reid question
Message-ID: <002301c4e067$98eae240$a1680b42@gnarmstrong>

Tom,
  While talking with one of the guys at Moraine State Park in PA. at the oil
well exhibit this summer he told me that hot tubes were stolen, because they
were silver,and used for making rings.  I really thought he was wrong and
meant they looked like silver and were in fact monel or stainless.  The
article in GEM was the second time I've seen silver mentioned as a hot tube
mat'l.  I still doubt it.    Geo.
-----Original Message-----
From: Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:24 AM
Subject: [SEL] Reid question


>While rereading the December issue of GEM for the 4th time, I noted some
>information on the Reid engine (pg 26) that got my curiosity up.  It said
that
>Reid sold a lot of "hot tubes" for replacement parts because they were
stolen
>from the engine to make rings out of silver.  Was some part of the hot tube
made
>out of silver and if so, how come?
>
>Always nice to learn something new!
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tom Schmutz
>Concord, Va. USA
>Germoamer at aol.com
>
>ps:  I am not dead on the SEL as I woke up this morning breathing.  What a
>great feeling!
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Dec 12 01:00:56 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:00:56 +1100
Subject: [SEL] RETURN
References: <013401c4e00e$f09e80e0$113354d2@cam>
Message-ID: <000201c4e085$b73088e0$04111bd3@athlon>

Hi Cam. Welcome back. See you soon?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
To: "LISTMAIL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 4:53 PM
Subject: [SEL] RETURN


> Hi list members.
>                        Well I have finally finished work again after 13
> months ( not bad when I went back for 3 or 4 ) and I'm back to enjoy the
> list and it's friendly members   again and I can also get back to the
> engines  and start trotting off to the Shows again (no pressure to be home
> at a set time) Well I better get going and start reading. Catchya's Cam
> Cam and Edwina Grundy
> Kariong
> Gosford   NSW
> Australia
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Dec 12 13:37:41 2004
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:37:41 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] International shipping
In-Reply-To: <007e01c4e06a$c1a18600$369ae150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <20041212213741.185.qmail@web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi Craig

How did you get the heavy bits across the water?  Any problems with Customs?

Regards

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea


 --- craig morrison <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk> wrote: 

>         I have just spent the day unpacking and playing with my new toys that I bought when
> visiting Portland in august.



	
	
		
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ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com


From Todengine at aol.com  Sun Dec 12 15:38:49 2004
From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:38:49 EST
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Foundation Acquires Ingersoll Rand Steam Air
	Compressor
Message-ID: <1f4.340ba74.2eee3089@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/10/2004 5:40:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, Todengine 
writes:
Thanks to the efforts of James Hefner of the the Surviving World Steam 
Project the Tod Engine Foundation is now the proud owner of an Ingersoll Rand Type 
10 Imperial two cylinder steam air compressor. The engine was donated by Park 
Ohio Industries from their drop forgings plant in Cleveland, Ohio.  We estimate 
the engine dates back to at least 1917. This plant once operated steam 
forging hammers making crankshafts, most notably being the shafts for the 16 
cylinder EMD diesel locomotive engines.  A couple of the hammers are still in place 
and I have been promised a tour of them next week.  Rest assured I will have 
numerous photos of the hammers to share after the tour. 

The engine is about 8' wide and 13' long overall, with a 64" diameter 
flywheel.  It is complete including flyball governor and original Ingersoll Rand air 
pressure gauge!  The engine was removed from the powerhouse building as it was 
being demolished as the plant management wanted to see it preserved instead 
of scrapped.  

The Tod Engine Foundation has pledged to restore and exhibit this engine in a 
place of honor next to the Tod Engine in our to be constructed enginehouse 
building. In the interim it will be moved to our restoration shop for cleaning 
and restoration.  

Next Tuesday I will be up in Cleveland to begin dismantling for shipment.  I 
intend to break it down into several component pieces for transport to 
Youngstown over a couple of days.  I have a one ton flatbed truck and dual axle 
trailer available to haul the parts and a 2 ton crane in the restoration shop for 
unloading, so the parts must be reduced to a manageable weight.  There will be 
a forklift on site to assist in the dismantling and loading, and perhaps one 
of the plant's mechanics will be made available to assist.  

Photos of the compressor are online at 
http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark
William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
Youngstown, OH
www.todengine.org

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark
William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
Youngstown, OH
www.todengine.org

From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Dec 12 09:29:36 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:29:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
In-Reply-To: <003701c4e001$01a50e80$3b1117d1@net.telenet.net>
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com> <000b01c4df76$0273e060$0500005a@laptop>
	<003701c4e001$01a50e80$3b1117d1@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <6517708A-4C63-11D9-AA87-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> Oh and I was a verizon customer for 4 years. Now I am with Cingular.
> Better customer support and MUCH better coverage.

I'm switching from Verizon to Cingular now. I've had bad experiences 
(previously related) with Verizon. (Had them for about 5 years.) My 
kids have been on Cingular for a while, and they're better.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Dec 12 09:37:13 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:37:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Reid question
In-Reply-To: <159.46313d29.2eedb82d@aol.com>
References: <159.46313d29.2eedb82d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <757A4CC9-4C64-11D9-AA87-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

They were commonly made of "German Silver," really a nickel brass. May 
have been real silver ones, too, I don't know, but I'd expect not as 
most silver alloys are both soft and low in melting point.

John

On Dec 12, 2004, at 10:05 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

> While rereading the December issue of GEM for the 4th time, I noted 
> some
> information on the Reid engine (pg 26) that got my curiosity up.  It 
> said that
> Reid sold a lot of "hot tubes" for replacement parts because they were 
> stolen
> from the engine to make rings out of silver.  Was some part of the hot 
> tube made
> out of silver and if so, how come?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From pnmnw at allvantage.com  Sun Dec 12 16:10:07 2004
From: pnmnw at allvantage.com (Peter)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 19:10:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] rigging engine for lift
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20041212185604.00c00708@pop3.allvantage.com>

Does anyone have any . . . um . . . elegant solutions to rigging something 
like a 3hp F-M Z?  I've just finished making a truck for it and am tired of 
my Rube Goldberg-and-baling-twine inventions that attach the engine to the 
chain falls.  Chains, rope, tow straps, under the cylinder, through the 
spokes, around crankcase--and never twice the same way.  I'm sick of it, I 
tell ya!  Would it have been so hard for them to cast some eyes into the 
top of the engine?  Thanks for any tips.

Peter Wagner
Barnet, VT
USA
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From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Sun Dec 12 16:53:48 2004
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:53:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] rigging engine for lift
Message-ID: <001301c4e0ae$356a3260$c5680b42@gnarmstrong>

Peter,
   Fab. a lifting beam to thread thru the spokes of the flywheels with a
lift point in the center and adjustable stops so the lifting beam cannot
slip sideways in the flywheels ( you could adapt a singletree for this
purpose ).  Then use a nylon strap to lift the cylinder end  choking the
cylinder by passing one eye of the strap thru the other eye.  Then lift by
the loose eye of the strap and an adjustable length of chain from your
lifting beam.  By using a lifting beam you will not be pulling the flywheels
toward one another causing bending on the crank.    Geo.
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter <pnmnw at allvantage.com>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, December 12, 2004 6:17 PM
Subject: [SEL] rigging engine for lift


>Does anyone have any . . . um . . . elegant solutions to rigging something
>like a 3hp F-M Z?  I've just finished making a truck for it and am tired of
>my Rube Goldberg-and-baling-twine inventions that attach the engine to the
>chain falls.  Chains, rope, tow straps, under the cylinder, through the
>spokes, around crankcase--and never twice the same way.  I'm sick of it, I
>tell ya!  Would it have been so hard for them to cast some eyes into the
>top of the engine?  Thanks for any tips.
>
>Peter Wagner
>Barnet, VT
>USA
>



From BetCleve321 at aol.com  Sun Dec 12 16:56:44 2004
From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 19:56:44 EST
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Foundation Acquires Ingersoll Rand Steam Air
	Compressor
Message-ID: <1f1.30b6bf5d.2eee42cc@aol.com>

I forgot. I hace one of the tools here, the inventors brother in law  brought 
it to me today. I evaluate these things for possible addition to my web  
store.
I don't have it listed yet.
This is off list because I am really scared of the spam thing so if  you get 
one , I won't make a thing.
This thing is a brute and looks like it would have helped in your Todd  
project.
Skip


From BetCleve321 at aol.com  Sun Dec 12 16:48:15 2004
From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 19:48:15 EST
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Foundation Acquires Ingersoll Rand Steam Air
	Compressor
Message-ID: <90.52e0e29d.2eee40cf@aol.com>

I have something here that may be helpful in removing the compressor   from 
it's home. Check this out.
_www.thedismantler.com_ (http://www.thedismantler.com) 
 
Skip


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Dec 12 18:56:45 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:56:45 EST
Subject: [SEL] Johnson Utilimotor Up Date
Message-ID: <12e.530dbfbd.2eee5eed@aol.com>

Hi List,
Today was a great day for the Johnson Utilimotor restoration.   The piston is 
no longer stuck in the cylinder.
Thank goodness for this list.  I think I would have several  chunks of cast 
iron if I did listen to good advise about taking it  easy, going slow, and not 
to rush.  
The heat wrench was used a couple of times with liberal application  of 
penetration oil as the assembly cooled.  Then after the unit was at a  temperature 
cool enough to touch, a hammer and a block of wood was used to  liberate the 
piston.  The piston and rings are in good condition.  The  cylinder needs to be 
honed.
The rest of the engine has been cleaned and is ready for  reassembly.  The 
flywheel and the rear magneto brass cover plate has been  glass beaded.
The magnet in the magneto needs to be re-magnetizes.  However,  the gentleman 
who does this type of work for me has been hospitalize.   Therefore, the 
completion of this project will have wait until he is back at  work. 
Again thanks for all the excellent inputs from the  members of this list.  
Even though that some of the suggestions were not  applicable at the time, I was 
able to recall what people had recommended to  accomplish similar tasks.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria,  California



From galoway4 at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 12 16:51:59 2004
From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:51:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com>
	<000b01c4df76$0273e060$0500005a@laptop><003701c4e001$01a50e80$3b1117d1@net.telenet.net>
	<6517708A-4C63-11D9-AA87-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <005201c4e0ad$f5aee3a0$99d85a42@jake>

Hello John:

   I am going to sign my kids up to cingular. hope it helps.

Arthur
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Info on Communications


>> Oh and I was a verizon customer for 4 years. Now I am with Cingular.
>> Better customer support and MUCH better coverage.
> 
> I'm switching from Verizon to Cingular now. I've had bad experiences 
> (previously related) with Verizon. (Had them for about 5 years.) My 
> kids have been on Cingular for a while, and they're better.
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From ozengine at yahoo.com.au  Sun Dec 12 19:13:00 2004
From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:13:00 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: RETURN
Message-ID: <20041213031300.37556.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com>

G'day Cam

Good to have you back. Say something about engines,
please. The SEL needs YOU! ;-)

Cheers

Graham in Melb.


Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
http://au.movies.yahoo.com


From segray at mlode.com  Sun Dec 12 23:20:56 2004
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:20:56 -0800
Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
In-Reply-To: <41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
	<41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <41BD42D8.3070206@mlode.com>

Hi All -

   Thanks to all for the comments! 

To Ron - To answer your questions about the Mery's ignition; yes, I am 
also using the Hall Effect transistor along with the solid state "buzz 
coil" driver and model high tension coil. This was the thing that 
probably gave me the most fits, and I ended up going back to my old 
career and oscilloscope, and redesigning some of the circuit. I really 
like the idea of the "pointless" ignition and the Hall transistor worked 
out great. The main problem was two fold: lack of dwell angle and the 
oscillator circuit not performing as advertised. In a nut shell, I 
nearly tripled the circuit's frequency while still trying to stay within 
the saturation specs of the coil. Doing this overcame the lack of dwell 
(on time) and literally was the difference between the engine running 
and not running. As for cooling, I'm doing nearly the same as you are. 
The little brass belt driven pump shown in the pictures is what I 
dreamed up to circulate the water from a custom 'tank'. The tin covered 
'tool box' next to the engine contains the propane tank, regulator, 
valve and a battery switch for the ignition. The tank, box and engine 
platform will eventually bolt to an oak top with concealed wheels, 
handle and legs for moving and showing.

To Marv - This is Mery # 223. I recently asked Roland Morrison, the 
kits' engineer, about how many of these he knows are running. He says 
he's aware of about 20 throughout the world that actually run now. I 
just recently coaxed the first person in Japan to buy a kit.

To Judge Tommy - Having never gone to school for machining, I consider 
myself darn lucky to be able to do as well as I do. Thing with this 
stuff, you're ALWAYS learning!

Again, thanks to all!

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com





From Mickc at vic.australis.com.au  Mon Dec 13 01:48:09 2004
From: Mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:48:09 +1100
Subject: [SEL] RETURN
References: <013401c4e00e$f09e80e0$113354d2@cam>
Message-ID: <011501c4e0f8$dafab070$19ae57ca@n>

Good to hear your back mate! Will be good to see you displaying your engines 
again, just make sure to dust the cob webs off!!
    Cheers
           Mick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
To: "LISTMAIL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 4:53 PM
Subject: [SEL] RETURN


> Hi list members.
>                       Well I have finally finished work again after 13
> months ( not bad when I went back for 3 or 4 ) and I'm back to enjoy the
> list and it's friendly members   again and I can also get back to the
> engines  and start trotting off to the Shows again (no pressure to be home
> at a set time) Well I better get going and start reading. Catchya's Cam
> Cam and Edwina Grundy
> Kariong
> Gosford   NSW
> Australia
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Dec 13 06:28:49 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 07:28:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] rigging engine for lift
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20041212185604.00c00708@pop3.allvantage.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV1948CB48D51EA749EDB8D3BBAB0@phx.gbl>

G'day Peter;
  So far I've had good luck with a channel thru the spokes and chain around 
the cylinder. Note the "U Bolt" securing the flwheel to the channel. See;

http://community.webshots.com/photo/48249342/48266488kAkjzn

Just lately we lifted a 1400 lb 4hp HC Horizontal Famous using the same 
setup with no problems.  Of course your F-M I believe is a little different 
setup but wouldn't this setup work?? Nice and simple and feel good about it.

  We are now thinking of fabricating a maintenance stand much like an engine 
stand so the main casting can be turned on two axis.  This would come in 
handy for disassembly/assembly, painting and such and will be a monster.

Take Care,
RickinMt.




> Does anyone have any . . . um . . . elegant solutions to rigging something
> like a 3hp F-M Z?  I've just finished making a truck for it and am tired 
> of
> my Rube Goldberg-and-baling-twine inventions that attach the engine to the
> chain falls.  Chains, rope, tow straps, under the cylinder, through the
> spokes, around crankcase--and never twice the same way.  I'm sick of it, I
> tell ya!  Would it have been so hard for them to cast some eyes into the
> top of the engine?  Thanks for any tips. 


From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Dec 13 08:07:07 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:07:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] rigging engine for lift
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV1948CB48D51EA749EDB8D3BBAB0@phx.gbl>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20041212185604.00c00708@pop3.allvantage.com>
	<BAY3-DAV1948CB48D51EA749EDB8D3BBAB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041213105945.02370c08@mail.alltel.net>

Two fairly easy ways of rigging can be found at: 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/16_GallowayTrailer/fly2.jpg 
and 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/16_GallowayTrailer/June%2010th/Mvc-003s.jpg 

         Dave
PS, http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/FairbanksM/FMRemoval/10.jpg 
seemed to work as well!

At 09:28 AM 12/13/2004, you wrote:
>G'day Peter;
>   So far I've had good luck with a channel thru the spokes and chain around
>the cylinder. Note the "U Bolt" securing the flwheel to the channel. See;
>
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/48249342/48266488kAkjzn
>
>Just lately we lifted a 1400 lb 4hp HC Horizontal Famous using the same
>setup with no problems.  Of course your F-M I believe is a little different
>setup but wouldn't this setup work?? Nice and simple and feel good about it.
>
>   We are now thinking of fabricating a maintenance stand much like an engine
>stand so the main casting can be turned on two axis.  This would come in
>handy for disassembly/assembly, painting and such and will be a monster.
>
>Take Care,
>RickinMt.
>
>
>
>
> > Does anyone have any . . . um . . . elegant solutions to rigging something
> > like a 3hp F-M Z?  I've just finished making a truck for it and am tired
> > of
> > my Rube Goldberg-and-baling-twine inventions that attach the engine to the
> > chain falls.  Chains, rope, tow straps, under the cylinder, through the
> > spokes, around crankcase--and never twice the same way.  I'm sick of it, I
> > tell ya!  Would it have been so hard for them to cast some eyes into the
> > top of the engine?  Thanks for any tips.
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Dec 13 09:38:43 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:38:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Vertical Governor SideShaft
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412131235030.79369@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

This bit of rusty old hardware is just too cool.  Anyone have a clue what
it might be a part of?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

View this Item on eBay at
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Dec 13 07:36:16 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:36:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] rigging engine for lift
Message-ID: <20041213.125553.876.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Nice set up Rick.

I like the "U" Bolt idea.



Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
\/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Dec 13 10:51:00 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:51:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Vertical Governor SideShaft
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412131235030.79369@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412131235030.79369@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041213134838.02380e78@mail.alltel.net>

At 12:38 PM 12/13/2004, you wrote:
>Hi Folks,
>This bit of rusty old hardware is just too cool.  Anyone have a clue what
>it might be a part of?
>See ya,  Arnie

Hi Arnie, As the description states, it's part of an "old engine."
         Dave
PS, Sumbitch--when does spring get here? 



From old_iron at msn.com  Mon Dec 13 11:21:31 2004
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:21:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT gasoline price?Oil company view
In-Reply-To: <002601c4df77$408cd450$91a226ca@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <BAY4-F8A545755C4431C526CE35E7AB0@phx.gbl>

Bill's Dad owned a Standard gas station for 20 years and I worked for Union 
Oil for 5 years, so I guess you could say I have an "insiders view".

In the mid 1970's here in the US there was a "gas shortage" (Ha, ha, ha) 
before the "shortage" gas was about 53 cents a gallon for preium after words 
it went up to 70 and 75 cents a gallon.  But BIG suprise there was no real 
shortage, the oil companies had plenty of gas they just decided to raise the 
prices and felt that if they just did it the public would have a hissy fit.  
So they with held the gas (stored it in places like Biesterfield Ohio and 
Rumsfield Michigan 2 former refineries for Union Oil), and bang zoom up went 
the prices.

Peter funny you mention the politions NOT mentioning the fuel prices during 
an election, Bush and Kerry didn't mention them here either.  Some how I 
feel Daddy Bush might have had something to do with that, Texas and Oil 
Money and all of that.

When I worked at Union they used to post the daily "wholesale" price of the 
gas, so we knew how much to figure the different state and federal taxes on 
(I worked in the corporate tax department), the average daily price was 
around 45 to 65 cents a gallon when the pump price was 80 to 95 cents a 
gallon.  Funny you should also mention "taxes" since here in Illinois we pay 
the highest gas tax in the nation between the state, county, and fed it 
averages about 25 cents a gallon now.

Just my 2 cents on this very HOT topic.

Peg Pfeiffer

>From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
[ Australian view]
>Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:39:49 +0800
>
>You may well ask what has happened to Petrol prices! Diesel here in the 
>part
>of Australia where i come from ranges from A$ 1.05 to $1.10 a litre, petrol
>sometimes gets to A$1.10 a litre,yes i know it is even dearer in other 
>parts
>of the country ....try crossing the ''Nullarbor. Interesting how the price
>of the  US Barrel can fluctuate but the price at the bowser remains the
>bloody same. Of course in our country the bloody bastard govt take their 
>tax
>according to the retail price so they are not going to even start thinking
>about trying to reduce the cost to the motorist .Funny in the lead up to 
>the
>recent Federal election there was not one mention of the oil prices by
>either parties!
>Any way it has stuffed up my trip to the National Rally at Naracoorte, just
>too damm expensive ........just a thought ,wasn't the invasion of Iraq 
>going
>to eleveate the problem?
>
>From: "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 10:01 AM
>Subject: [SEL] OT What has happen to gasoline price?
>
>
> > To all,
> >
> > What has happened to gasoline prices in your area?  I just filled up at 
>a
> > nearby Flying J Truck Stop for $1.46.9.
> >
> > Glenn
> >
> > Glenn Karch
> > Haubstadt, IN, USA
> > Hercules Historian
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
>
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From carrowor2002 at att.net  Mon Dec 13 11:37:54 2004
From: carrowor2002 at att.net (Robert Jacobs)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:37:54 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] OT gasoline price?Oil company view
References: <BAY4-F8A545755C4431C526CE35E7AB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41BDEF92.000001.02152@NOTEBOOK>

Hmmmm,   funny this got back to the 70's.

During the "first" shortages I was stationed (in the Navy) aboard a
destroyer in Norfolk, Va.  We were sent on an "emergency" detail to guard
the tankers anchored in the Chesapeake Bay which weren't  being allowed to
unload their cargo.  (surprise, surprise, surprise)  It seems as if the
federal authorities were afraid someone would discover they were there and
try something.  

It was a wonderful duty,  we ran circles around the bay for a week, then
went back to the pier for a week and started all over again.  All so the
prices would rise.

 
 
Bob 
Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob,
others just use the initials!
Carrowor2002 at att.net
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: The SEL email discussion list
Date: 12/13/04 14:23:17
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT gasoline price?Oil company view
 
Bill's Dad owned a Standard gas station for 20 years and I worked for Union
Oil for 5 years, so I guess you could say I have an "insiders view".
 
In the mid 1970's here in the US there was a "gas shortage" (Ha, ha, ha)
before the "shortage" gas was about 53 cents a gallon for preium after words
it went up to 70 and 75 cents a gallon.  But BIG suprise there was no real
shortage, the oil companies had plenty of gas they just decided to raise the
prices and felt that if they just did it the public would have a hissy fit.
So they with held the gas (stored it in places like Biesterfield Ohio and
Rumsfield Michigan 2 former refineries for Union Oil), and bang zoom up went
the prices.
 
Peter funny you mention the politions NOT mentioning the fuel prices during
an election, Bush and Kerry didn't mention them here either.  Some how I
feel Daddy Bush might have had something to do with that, Texas and Oil
Money and all of that.
 
When I worked at Union they used to post the daily "wholesale" price of the
gas, so we knew how much to figure the different state and federal taxes on
(I worked in the corporate tax department), the average daily price was
around 45 to 65 cents a gallon when the pump price was 80 to 95 cents a
gallon.  Funny you should also mention "taxes" since here in Illinois we pay
the highest gas tax in the nation between the state, county, and fed it
averages about 25 cents a gallon now.
 
Just my 2 cents on this very HOT topic.
 
Peg Pfeiffer
 
>From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
[ Australian view]
>Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:39:49 +0800
>
>You may well ask what has happened to Petrol prices! Diesel here in the
>part
>of Australia where i come from ranges from A$ 1.05 to $1.10 a litre, petrol
>sometimes gets to A$1.10 a litre,yes i know it is even dearer in other
>parts
>of the country ....try crossing the ''Nullarbor. Interesting how the price
>of the  US Barrel can fluctuate but the price at the bowser remains the
>bloody same. Of course in our country the bloody bastard govt take their
>tax
>according to the retail price so they are not going to even start thinking
>about trying to reduce the cost to the motorist .Funny in the lead up to
>the
>recent Federal election there was not one mention of the oil prices by
>either parties!
>Any way it has stuffed up my trip to the National Rally at Naracoorte, just
>too damm expensive ........just a thought ,wasn't the invasion of Iraq
>going
>to eleveate the problem?
>
>From: "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 10:01 AM
>Subject: [SEL] OT What has happen to gasoline price?
>
>
> > To all,
> >
> > What has happened to gasoline prices in your area?  I just filled up at
>a
> > nearby Flying J Truck Stop for $1.46.9.
> >
> > Glenn
> >
> > Glenn Karch
> > Haubstadt, IN, USA
> > Hercules Historian
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
&gt;SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 
 
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 13 12:33:24 2004
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:33:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Bouncing Email????
In-Reply-To: <41BDEF92.000001.02152@NOTEBOOK>
Message-ID: <20041213203324.29417.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>


Hi Folks,

I am very sorry if email is bouncing from my
alanb2 at webtv.net address.

I have not been able to access that email for over 24
hours.  I know it was close to full, ut inthe past
even if it did fill up it just told me it was full and
let me in.

I just spent a lot of time on the phone with the MSNTV
folks that now own WebTv.  All the gal was able to do
is send the problem up one level and tell me I would
get a call in 24 to 72 hours.  8>(((

At least I can use this email addy from here at my
WebTv or from the puter in the other room.

Sorry anyway,

Alan Bowen
rustaholic777 at yahoo.com



		
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From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Mon Dec 13 12:39:58 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:39:58 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Bouncing Email????
In-Reply-To: <20041213203324.29417.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <41BDEF92.000001.02152@NOTEBOOK>
	<20041213203324.29417.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <r9vrr0t22dthrujhhmsclgm8uq4vetbfle@4ax.com>

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:33:24 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>
>Hi Folks,
>
>I am very sorry if email is bouncing from my
>alanb2 at webtv.net address.
>
>I have not been able to access that email for over 24
>hours.  I know it was close to full, ut inthe past
>even if it did fill up it just told me it was full and
>let me in.
>
>I just spent a lot of time on the phone with the MSNTV
>folks that now own WebTv.  All the gal was able to do
>is send the problem up one level and tell me I would
>get a call in 24 to 72 hours.  8>(((
>
>At least I can use this email addy from here at my
>WebTv or from the puter in the other room.
>
>Sorry anyway,
>
>Alan Bowen
>rustaholic777 at yahoo.com

Haven't noticed it here, maybe just a select few?

We have the facility with Easynet to go onto their web-based server and
delete/reply to emails without going through the pop3 process. That makes life a
lot easier while overseas as we haven't got to call a UK number.

We also have a couple of email accounts on Waitrose.com who also offer that
service. Both companies have really excellent free support as well. Easynet is a
paid-for ISP while Waitrose is a free service.

Peter




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Dec 13 04:21:22 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:21:22 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Wow!
Message-ID: <200412132121.iBDLKxHt006212@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7119146293


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 13 13:45:26 2004
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:45:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
In-Reply-To: <41BD42D8.3070206@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <20041213214526.89273.qmail@web14121.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Steve,
I'm going to hang on to this email. When I get into the ignition, I'm sure I'll have some questions.
Thanks in advance.
Ron

Steve Gray <segray at mlode.com> wrote:
Hi All -

Thanks to all for the comments! 

To Ron - To answer your questions about the Mery's ignition; yes, I am 
also using the Hall Effect transistor along with the solid state "buzz 
coil" driver and model high tension coil. This was the thing that 
probably gave me the most fits, and I ended up going back to my old 
career and oscilloscope, and redesigning some of the circuit. I really 
like the idea of the "pointless" ignition and the Hall transistor worked 
out great. The main problem was two fold: lack of dwell angle and the 
oscillator circuit not performing as advertised. In a nut shell, I 
nearly tripled the circuit's frequency while still trying to stay within 
the saturation specs of the coil. Doing this overcame the lack of dwell 
(on time) and literally was the difference between the engine running 
and not running. As for cooling, I'm doing nearly the same as you are. 
The little brass belt driven pump shown in the pictures is what I 
dreamed up to circulate the water from a custom 'tank'. The tin covered 
'tool box' next to the engine contains the propane tank, regulator, 
valve and a battery switch for the ignition. The tank, box and engine 
platform will eventually bolt to an oak top with concealed wheels, 
handle and legs for moving and showing.

To Marv - This is Mery # 223. I recently asked Roland Morrison, the 
kits' engineer, about how many of these he knows are running. He says 
he's aware of about 20 throughout the world that actually run now. I 
just recently coaxed the first person in Japan to buy a kit.

To Judge Tommy - Having never gone to school for machining, I consider 
myself darn lucky to be able to do as well as I do. Thing with this 
stuff, you're ALWAYS learning!

Again, thanks to all!

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail: segray at mlode.com
Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com



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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Mon Dec 13 14:43:01 2004
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:43:01 +0000
Subject: [SEL] SEL and GEM
Message-ID: <41BE1AF5.FE027427@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Folks

As you know, I've been using discussions on this list to create a GEM
column every month for about 5 1/2 years now, and as has recently been
noted, there's not always a lot going on here.  It's been getting harder
and harder to find a thread with enough discussion to use for an article
and I feel that the quality is slipping.
It may be that I'm getting jaded - I don't know.  But I do know that I'm
not happy with what I'm producing and would like to ideally hand over to
someone else.
So ... if anyone would like to take over the job and do it with a fresh
eye, I'm more than happy to hand over.  Alternatively, I'll suggest to
Ritchie Backus that it becomes an occasional column, when there's
something worth writing about.

Dolly

--
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk




From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Dec 13 15:22:41 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:22:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Wow!
In-Reply-To: <200412132121.iBDLKxHt006212@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200412132121.iBDLKxHt006212@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041213182147.023f2cf8@mail.alltel.net>

At 07:21 AM 12/13/2004, you wrote:
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7119146293
>Patrick M Livingstone

Hi Patrick, There have been times when I've had too much to drink as well!
         Dave 



From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Mon Dec 13 16:19:52 2004
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:19:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] SEL and GEM
Message-ID: <000a01c4e172$a4e048e0$34690b42@gnarmstrong>

Current issue discussion is good Helen.     George
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
To: Stationary Engine List <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, December 13, 2004 5:48 PM
Subject: [SEL] SEL and GEM


>Hi Folks
>
>As you know, I've been using discussions on this list to create a GEM
>column every month for about 5 1/2 years now, and as has recently been
>noted, there's not always a lot going on here.  It's been getting harder
>and harder to find a thread with enough discussion to use for an article
>and I feel that the quality is slipping.
>It may be that I'm getting jaded - I don't know.  But I do know that I'm
>not happy with what I'm producing and would like to ideally hand over to
>someone else.
>So ... if anyone would like to take over the job and do it with a fresh
>eye, I'm more than happy to hand over.  Alternatively, I'll suggest to
>Ritchie Backus that it becomes an occasional column, when there's
>something worth writing about.
>
>Dolly
>
>--
>Jim French
>fbi at insulate.co.uk
>http://www.insulate.co.uk
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Dec 13 20:23:04 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:23:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT gasoline price?Oil company view
References: <BAY4-F8A545755C4431C526CE35E7AB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00b601c4e194$9c0502c0$185c14d0@net.telenet.net>

Peg,

    Not sure you folks pay the highest tax on gas any more. In NY we pay
closer to 47 cents per gallon with the Federal, State, County,
Environmental fee, Gas station pump surcharge.

Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT gasoline price?Oil company view


> Bill's Dad owned a Standard gas station for 20 years and I worked for
Union
> Oil for 5 years, so I guess you could say I have an "insiders view".
>
> In the mid 1970's here in the US there was a "gas shortage" (Ha, ha,
ha)
> before the "shortage" gas was about 53 cents a gallon for preium after
words
> it went up to 70 and 75 cents a gallon.  But BIG suprise there was no
real
> shortage, the oil companies had plenty of gas they just decided to
raise the
> prices and felt that if they just did it the public would have a hissy
fit.
> So they with held the gas (stored it in places like Biesterfield Ohio
and
> Rumsfield Michigan 2 former refineries for Union Oil), and bang zoom
up went
> the prices.
>
> Peter funny you mention the politions NOT mentioning the fuel prices
during
> an election, Bush and Kerry didn't mention them here either.  Some how
I
> feel Daddy Bush might have had something to do with that, Texas and
Oil
> Money and all of that.
>
> When I worked at Union they used to post the daily "wholesale" price
of the
> gas, so we knew how much to figure the different state and federal
taxes on
> (I worked in the corporate tax department), the average daily price
was
> around 45 to 65 cents a gallon when the pump price was 80 to 95 cents
a
> gallon.  Funny you should also mention "taxes" since here in Illinois
we pay
> the highest gas tax in the nation between the state, county, and fed
it
> averages about 25 cents a gallon now.
>
> Just my 2 cents on this very HOT topic.
>
> Peg Pfeiffer



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 13 13:05:55 2004
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:05:55 -0500
Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn><41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>
	<41BD42D8.3070206@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <005d01c4e178$5b483340$6cd7f504@x8h7l9>

Steve,
The " Hall Effect transistor " is not a transistor. It  is a Hall Effect
sensor in an integrated circuit, hopefully a Hall Effect switch. It probably
looks like a transistor. I am thinking about using one to trigger a
Capacitance Discharge Ignition for my Stover CT2 until I can get the right
magneto.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Gray" <segray at mlode.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 2:20 AM
Subject: Re: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at


> Hi All -
>
>    Thanks to all for the comments!
>
> To Ron - To answer your questions about the Mery's ignition; yes, I am
> also using the Hall Effect transistor along with the solid state "buzz
> coil" driver and model high tension coil. This was the thing that
> probably gave me the most fits, and I ended up going back to my old
> career and oscilloscope, and redesigning some of the circuit. I really
> like the idea of the "pointless" ignition and the Hall transistor worked
> out great. The main problem was two fold: lack of dwell angle and the
> oscillator circuit not performing as advertised. In a nut shell, I
> nearly tripled the circuit's frequency while still trying to stay within
> the saturation specs of the coil. Doing this overcame the lack of dwell
> (on time) and literally was the difference between the engine running
> and not running. As for cooling, I'm doing nearly the same as you are.
> The little brass belt driven pump shown in the pictures is what I
> dreamed up to circulate the water from a custom 'tank'. The tin covered
> 'tool box' next to the engine contains the propane tank, regulator,
> valve and a battery switch for the ignition. The tank, box and engine
> platform will eventually bolt to an oak top with concealed wheels,
> handle and legs for moving and showing.
>
> To Marv - This is Mery # 223. I recently asked Roland Morrison, the
> kits' engineer, about how many of these he knows are running. He says
> he's aware of about 20 throughout the world that actually run now. I
> just recently coaxed the first person in Japan to buy a kit.
>
> To Judge Tommy - Having never gone to school for machining, I consider
> myself darn lucky to be able to do as well as I do. Thing with this
> stuff, you're ALWAYS learning!
>
> Again, thanks to all!
>
> - Steve
>
> -- 
> Steve Gray
> Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
> Sonora, California USA
> e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
> Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From segray at mlode.com  Mon Dec 13 22:44:52 2004
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:44:52 -0800
Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
In-Reply-To: <005d01c4e178$5b483340$6cd7f504@x8h7l9>
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn><41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>	<41BD42D8.3070206@mlode.com>
	<005d01c4e178$5b483340$6cd7f504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <41BE8BE4.3040903@mlode.com>

Hi Ed -

  Yeah, that's true. Being packaged in the TO-92 case fools a lot of 
people. We used Hall Effects for years in flow meters for the production 
control industry. I like the Hall's small size for being able to hide it 
so easily on these engines. Plus, nothing to wear out.

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



ED wrote:

>Steve,
>The " Hall Effect transistor " is not a transistor. It  is a Hall Effect
>sensor in an integrated circuit, hopefully a Hall Effect switch. It probably
>looks like a transistor. I am thinking about using one to trigger a
>Capacitance Discharge Ignition for my Stover CT2 until I can get the right
>magneto.
>
>Ed Stoller
>New Fairfield, CT
>
>
>  
>





From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 12 16:25:40 2004
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:25:40 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
	<41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <004901c4e0aa$46ea2a30$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>

WOW doesn't even begin to describe this model. Without your description one 
would not know it is not a full size engine. No size reference in the 
pictures, and great photography. Now that Steve has throwed this topic out 
here, let's keep it alive. Nuff on cell phones and gas prices for me.

I have been in contact with Reg regarding models, and it was off list. He 
gave me some great advice, but this topic really could be covered here. I 
think many have considered models, and I am one that has. Many questions 
though for those like me that have never built one.

I know some have great machine shops and can make pistons and such for full 
size engines. That's way out of my budget, and I don't have room for such an 
operation. How about models?

What does it take to make one. What size lathe, swing, etc. Will the 
combination lathe/mill in the GEM adds work for most of us. It could fit in 
my budget and workshop. Who make the best model castings/kits? Let er rip 
boys and girls!

Jeff Allen
PS been busy helping one of ours start his web site. I'll let him announce 
when ready.
PPS been busy shopping, wrapping, sending cards and such

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Gray" <segray at mlode.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 12:01 AM
Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at


> Hi All -
>
> Well, if the SEL is too quiet, I'll try to throw something here of 
> interest into the pot for (sort of) a change of scenery. After close to 
> 1000 hours of work, I've finished the Mery model. Just need a stand for it 
> now, a LOT of paint touch up and maybe a small added accessory later on. 
> Some rough pictures are at:
>
> http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/
>
> To give you an idea of it's size, a majority of the bolt heads are 5/32" 
> and the piping is either 3/16", 1/4". The intake manifold is 5/16", the 
> spark plug threads are 1/4-32. A lot of work, but a lot of fun! Enjoy....
>
> - Steve
>
> -- 
> Steve Gray
> Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
> Sonora, California USA
> e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
> Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com
>
>
>
> John Hammink wrote:
>
>>Is't true that the SEL is almost dead?
>>
>>John Hammink
>>Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
>>jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Tue Dec 14 01:56:17 2004
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:56:17 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT Re Return
Message-ID: <004001c4e1c3$2969fa20$533454d2@cam>

Hi  I would Like to thank everyone who welcomed me back onto the List and as
before I'm sure I'll have an enjoyable time. Cam


Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW
Australia




From brock at netspeed.com.au  Tue Dec 14 02:07:07 2004
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:07:07 +1100
Subject: [SEL] RETURN
References: <013401c4e00e$f09e80e0$113354d2@cam>
Message-ID: <003101c4e1c4$accad4b0$5f11fea9@merlin>

G,day Cam
 welcome back mate
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
To: "LISTMAIL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 4:53 PM
Subject: [SEL] RETURN


> Hi list members.
>                       Well I have finally finished work again after 13
> months ( not bad when I went back for 3 or 4 ) and I'm back to enjoy the
> list and it's friendly members   again and I can also get back to the
> engines  and start trotting off to the Shows again (no pressure to be home
> at a set time) Well I better get going and start reading. Catchya's Cam
> Cam and Edwina Grundy
> Kariong
> Gosford   NSW
> Australia
>
>
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>
> 




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 14 04:00:36 2004
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:00:36 +0000
Subject: [SEL] model engine
In-Reply-To: <004901c4e0aa$46ea2a30$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F5A7B80BEA09E8F74E7420C8AC0@phx.gbl>

Jeff,

If you need a piston for a model engine why not take one out of a Briggs and 
Stratton?  I'm currently attempting to make an engine and am using a piston 
and cylinder from a Volkswagon engine, crankshaft and gears from a Briggs, 
and a couple cast wheels for the flywheels. I'm just using junk that I have 
laying around.  All I have is a lathe and drill press.  Don't know if mine 
will end up running but it is fun making chips and scratching my head.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
========================

>From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
>Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:25:40 -0700
>
>WOW doesn't even begin to describe this model. Without your description one 
>would not know it is not a full size engine. No size reference in the 
>pictures, and great photography. Now that Steve has throwed this topic out 
>here, let's keep it alive. Nuff on cell phones and gas prices for me.
>
>I have been in contact with Reg regarding models, and it was off list. He 
>gave me some great advice, but this topic really could be covered here. I 
>think many have considered models, and I am one that has. Many questions 
>though for those like me that have never built one.
>
>I know some have great machine shops and can make pistons and such for full 
>size engines. That's way out of my budget, and I don't have room for such 
>an operation. How about models?
>
>What does it take to make one. What size lathe, swing, etc. Will the 
>combination lathe/mill in the GEM adds work for most of us. It could fit in 
>my budget and workshop. Who make the best model castings/kits? Let er rip 
>boys and girls!
>
>Jeff Allen
>PS been busy helping one of ours start his web site. I'll let him announce 
>when ready.
>PPS been busy shopping, wrapping, sending cards and such
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" <segray at mlode.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 12:01 AM
>Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
>
>
>>Hi All -
>>
>>Well, if the SEL is too quiet, I'll try to throw something here of 
>>interest into the pot for (sort of) a change of scenery. After close to 
>>1000 hours of work, I've finished the Mery model. Just need a stand for it 
>>now, a LOT of paint touch up and maybe a small added accessory later on. 
>>Some rough pictures are at:
>>
>>http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/
>>
>>To give you an idea of it's size, a majority of the bolt heads are 5/32" 
>>and the piping is either 3/16", 1/4". The intake manifold is 5/16", the 
>>spark plug threads are 1/4-32. A lot of work, but a lot of fun! Enjoy....
>>
>>- Steve
>>
>>--
>>Steve Gray
>>Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
>>Sonora, California USA
>>e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
>>Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com
>>
>>
>>
>>John Hammink wrote:
>>
>>>Is't true that the SEL is almost dead?
>>>
>>>John Hammink
>>>Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
>>>jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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>
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Dec 14 05:19:40 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:19:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
In-Reply-To: <005d01c4e178$5b483340$6cd7f504@x8h7l9>
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn><41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>
	<41BD42D8.3070206@mlode.com> <005d01c4e178$5b483340$6cd7f504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <12265.165.206.180.118.1103030380.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

Ed, I suspect they are called "hall effect transistors" as that is how
they are generally used - as magnetic solid state switches, and since that
is all a transistor is in essence, the term "hall effect transistor".
True, the hall effect part is really a solid state sensor.
The most common application consists of of a Hall effect sensor, one or
more logic gates and a transistor used to switch the electric current.
So it's a solid state device that typically comes in a package with a
transistor and the whole thing acts like a transistor with the exception
that the "control" is magnetic field applied rather than a switching
voltage applied.
A common application is the digital Hall effect sensors - often used as
magnetically controlled switches - they turn on or off when the applied
magnetic field reaches a certain level. Hmmm, I see an application
here....

Bill

> Steve,
> The " Hall Effect transistor " is not a transistor. It  is a Hall Effect
> sensor in an integrated circuit, hopefully a Hall Effect switch. It
> probably
> looks like a transistor. I am thinking about using one to trigger a
> Capacitance Discharge Ignition for my Stover CT2 until I can get the right
> magneto.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Gray" <segray at mlode.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 2:20 AM
> Subject: Re: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
>
>
>> Hi All -
>>
>>    Thanks to all for the comments!
>>
>> To Ron - To answer your questions about the Mery's ignition; yes, I am
>> also using the Hall Effect transistor along with the solid state "buzz
>> coil" driver and model high tension coil. This was the thing that
>> probably gave me the most fits, and I ended up going back to my old
>> career and oscilloscope, and redesigning some of the circuit. I really
>> like the idea of the "pointless" ignition and the Hall transistor worked
>> out great. The main problem was two fold: lack of dwell angle and the
>> oscillator circuit not performing as advertised. In a nut shell, I
>> nearly tripled the circuit's frequency while still trying to stay within
>> the saturation specs of the coil. Doing this overcame the lack of dwell
>> (on time) and literally was the difference between the engine running
>> and not running. As for cooling, I'm doing nearly the same as you are.
>> The little brass belt driven pump shown in the pictures is what I
>> dreamed up to circulate the water from a custom 'tank'. The tin covered
>> 'tool box' next to the engine contains the propane tank, regulator,
>> valve and a battery switch for the ignition. The tank, box and engine
>> platform will eventually bolt to an oak top with concealed wheels,
>> handle and legs for moving and showing.
>>
>> To Marv - This is Mery # 223. I recently asked Roland Morrison, the
>> kits' engineer, about how many of these he knows are running. He says
>> he's aware of about 20 throughout the world that actually run now. I
>> just recently coaxed the first person in Japan to buy a kit.
>>
>> To Judge Tommy - Having never gone to school for machining, I consider
>> myself darn lucky to be able to do as well as I do. Thing with this
>> stuff, you're ALWAYS learning!
>>
>> Again, thanks to all!
>>
>> - Steve
>>
>> --
>> Steve Gray
>> Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
>> Sonora, California USA
>> e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
>> Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com
>>
>>
>>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Dec 14 05:59:27 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:59:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] model engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F5A7B80BEA09E8F74E7420C8AC0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F5A7B80BEA09E8F74E7420C8AC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412140814180.19865@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Luke (and others considering model engines),

What facinates me about "model" engines are the clever ones that aren't
simply scaled-down casting sets based on real stationary engines.

Rather it's like the sculptor who, when asked how he created his
masterpieces, replied that he just chipped away everthing that didn't look
like (whatever it was that he had sculpted).

Leroy Clark has made some incredible Striggs & Bratton engines.  During
one long BS session with Leroy punctuated by the sweet pop of his engines,
I asked him what was involved in making one.  I happened to be admiring a
horizontal, open-crank, sideshaft at the time.  He turns to me and sez,
"Arn, you just start with a sad Briggs FH and a hacksaw, and cut away
everthing that doesn't look like a horizontal, open-crank, sideshaft
engine."  Then with that classic-Leroy twinkle in his eye he sez "Oh, and
maybe add a couple of hundred hours of lathe & mill work."  8-)))

But the end result is something VERY different.  Another example is the
gent (or gents) who setup at Baraboo and have a number of hit & miss
engines that they've built from nice old cast iron air compressors.  In
that case you very often have a nice-looking finned cylinder, open crank
(maybe even inverted geometry), crankshaft, rod, piston, and flywheel.
The boys at Baraboo put out a VERY impressive display.  I've also seen
nice looking flywheels that were originally heavy valve handles.

After the Asheville show I'm thinking REAL hard about building one of
those "Henry Ford's first engine" jobbies.  You've probably seen it; about
four feet long, built largly out of scrap and pipe fittings.  VERY cool!

Lots of interesting options out there in addition to casting sets.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> If you need a piston for a model engine why not take one out of a Briggs and
> Stratton?  I'm currently attempting to make an engine and am using a piston
> and cylinder from a Volkswagon engine, crankshaft and gears from a Briggs,
> and a couple cast wheels for the flywheels. I'm just using junk that I have
> laying around.  All I have is a lathe and drill press.  Don't know if mine
> will end up running but it is fun making chips and scratching my head.


From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us  Tue Dec 14 08:16:18 2004
From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:16:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fuel prices
Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A702F65895@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>


>>>It's in the mid $1.60's here on the Missouri side of our little
village.

>>>It has dropped like a stone ever since Nov. 2, makes me go ummmmm ???

>>>Ted Brookover
>>>Kansas City

Tenths aside, it is $1.70 on this side of town. There was a hiccup when
it went back up on Tuesday before Thanksgiving, but it ALWAYS pops up a
dime the Tuesday before a holiday. Always. Yeah, ultimately, in the long
run, and all that the market rules - but short-term, there are other
factors at play. Locally the big dog is Quik-Trip. What their sign says
is what every sign says. They change that sucker, at the same time at
all their stores, and within a couple hours every retailer in the zip
code is same-same.

Bruce Younger
Lenexa, Kansas USA
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Dec 14 03:22:09 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:22:09 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn><41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>
	<004901c4e0aa$46ea2a30$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>
Message-ID: <000f01c4e228$356e3240$8f111bd3@athlon>

I am, and always have, been happy to advise on any model topic if I feel my
input will help.
My ideas dont match the purist mainstream a lot of the time though.
You ask and decide for yourself about the reply.
I have made well over a hundred models now. I must be learning something as
I go along.
The main thing I think I have learnt is to have the best machinery you
possibly can for your particular situation.
I get the comment, "Oh, Aint you LUCKY to have a workshop like this!"
To which I reply, "Yup, and the more I spend on it, the luckier I get!!"
You CAN make things with old, worn out , undersize machinery but,
It is a whole lot easier with good, well sized machines.
Ok, off the soapbox and away to bed!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
> I have been in contact with Reg regarding models, and it was off list. He
> gave me some great advice, but this topic really could be covered here. I
> think many have considered models, and I am one that has. Many questions
> though for those like me that have never built one.
>
> I know some have great machine shops and can make pistons and such for
full
> size engines. That's way out of my budget, and I don't have room for such
an
> operation. How about models?
>
> What does it take to make one. What size lathe, swing, etc. Will the
> combination lathe/mill in the GEM adds work for most of us. It could fit
in
> my budget and workshop. Who make the best model castings/kits? Let er rip
> boys and girls!



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 14 15:16:09 2004
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:16:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] SEL and GEM
In-Reply-To: <41BE1AF5.FE027427@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20041214231609.8447.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Helen,

I just got my latest GEM today.  I got several good
laughs out of what you chose to put in there. I also
liked your comment about the new engine that isn't
home yet.

Yes, This seems to be a slow time and as I opened the
magazine I wondered what you came up with for the
article and was pleased with what I found.  I was
going to write you and say THANKS. You do a great job
with it. I replied here instead.

THANKS,

Alan Bowen rustaholic777 at yahoo.com


--- Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Folks
> 
 As you know, I've been using discussions on this
 list to create a GEM
 column every month for about 5 1/2 years now, and as
 has recently been
 noted, there's not always a lot going on here.  It's
 been getting harder
 and harder to find a thread with enough discussion
 to use for an article
 and I feel that the quality is slipping.
 It may be that I'm getting jaded - I don't know. 
 But I do know that I'm
 not happy with what I'm producing and would like to
 ideally hand over to
 someone else.
 So ... if anyone would like to take over the job and
 do it with a fresh
 eye, I'm more than happy to hand over. 
 Alternatively, I'll suggest to
 Ritchie Backus that it becomes an occasional column,
 when there's
 something worth writing about.
 
 Dolly
 

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From Todengine at aol.com  Tue Dec 14 16:15:40 2004
From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:15:40 EST
Subject: [SEL] Dismantling the IR Steam Compressor Day 1
Message-ID: <e4.5e9cabb0.2ef0dc2c@aol.com>

Well wouldn't you know it the heavy snows finally came last night, and 
completely covered the compressor engine!  

The dismantling crew (myself and my wife Zara) arrived at the Park drop 
forging plant in Cleveland about 12:30 pm, and I started to work removing misc. 
small parts including the exhaust steam lines, lube lines and mechanical 
lubricators, piping etc.  I started to remove the throttle valve and governor but as 
usually happens one of the nuts stripped out, so more drastic measures will be 
taken on it later.  I also removed the nuts holding the air crossover pipe and 
the main bearing caps nuts.  By 2:30 pm I was frozen solid and we left the 
plant to head back home with a pickup load of steam engine goodies.

I'll be back at the plant tommorrow afternoon to continue the work.  I hope 
to be able to hijack a forlkift and operator for a few minutes to take off the 
air crossover pipe, and pull the flywheel and crankshaft out.  I also hope to 
crib up under the compressor end of the main bedplate to support that end so I 
can remove the air lines underneath the compressor cylinders, and to get the 
compressor cylinders themselves ready to pull off.

Assuming things go according to plan tommorrow I'll be back on Friday to move 
more parts to Youngstown.  

As I was packing up to leave one of the maintenance men was getting into his 
car and mantioned that "someone from the Smithsonian had looked at the 
compressor at one time". If I had a dollar for each time I have heard that phrase 
when it comes to old machinery I would be rich by now!  He also said that it was 
a good running machine and worked when they stopped using it.  If that is so 
then why are one set of eccentric rods disconnected and tied up out oif the way 
and the packing glands on the valve rods missing?  I think it was running on 
one cylinder at the end of its career.  I just hope I don't find any major 
problems inside.  But if so, heck I work at a foundry and we have a lathe and 
milling machine so there isn't anything we couldn't remake! 

More phjotos of todays work are online at 
http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark
William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
Youngstown, OH
www.todengine.org


From pnmnw at allvantage.com  Tue Dec 14 16:48:55 2004
From: pnmnw at allvantage.com (Peter)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:48:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] rigging engine: thanks
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20041214193933.00c05eb0@pop3.allvantage.com>

Thanks, George A. and Richard S. for the lifting beam tip.  I think I'll go 
there.  I would have preferred Dave R's vehicle lift or ten-yard loader or 
pair of cranes, but damned if I have the storage space for them.

Peter Wagner
Barnet, VT
USA

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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Dec 14 19:08:54 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:08:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SEL and GEM
In-Reply-To: <20041214231609.8447.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <41BE1AF5.FE027427@insulate.co.uk>
	<20041214231609.8447.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041214220616.024c9a90@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Dolly,
         Alan is right! And besides doing a GREAT job with the GEM monthly 
piece, you have a GREAT a.......OH, never mind, but keep up the good work!
         Dave
PS, See you in Portland!

At 06:16 PM 12/14/2004, you wrote:
>Hi Helen,
>
>I just got my latest GEM today.  I got several good
>laughs out of what you chose to put in there. I also
>liked your comment about the new engine that isn't
>home yet.
>
>Yes, This seems to be a slow time and as I opened the
>magazine I wondered what you came up with for the
>article and was pleased with what I found.  I was
>going to write you and say THANKS. You do a great job
>with it. I replied here instead.
>
>THANKS,
>
>Alan Bowen rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
>
>
>--- Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Folks
> >
>  As you know, I've been using discussions on this
>  list to create a GEM
>  column every month for about 5 1/2 years now, and as
>  has recently been
>  noted, there's not always a lot going on here.  It's
>  been getting harder
>  and harder to find a thread with enough discussion
>  to use for an article
>  and I feel that the quality is slipping.
>  It may be that I'm getting jaded - I don't know.
>  But I do know that I'm
>  not happy with what I'm producing and would like to
>  ideally hand over to
>  someone else.
>  So ... if anyone would like to take over the job and
>  do it with a fresh
>  eye, I'm more than happy to hand over.
>  Alternatively, I'll suggest to
>  Ritchie Backus that it becomes an occasional column,
>  when there's
>  something worth writing about.
>
>  Dolly
>
>
>  Jim French
>  fbi at insulate.co.uk
>  http://www.insulate.co.uk
>
>
>
>
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From skipl at montana.com  Tue Dec 14 20:06:28 2004
From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:06:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT gasoline price?Oil company view
References: <BAY4-F8A545755C4431C526CE35E7AB0@phx.gbl>
	<00b601c4e194$9c0502c0$185c14d0@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <41BFB843.61494B8C@montana.com>

montana it's $.58.7 cents a gallon.

"Steve W." wrote:

> Peg,
>
>     Not sure you folks pay the highest tax on gas any more. In NY we pay
> closer to 47 cents per gallon with the Federal, State, County,
> Environmental fee, Gas station pump surcharge.
>
> Steve Williams
> Near Cooperstown NY
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 2:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT gasoline price?Oil company view
>
> > Bill's Dad owned a Standard gas station for 20 years and I worked for
> Union
> > Oil for 5 years, so I guess you could say I have an "insiders view".
> >
> > In the mid 1970's here in the US there was a "gas shortage" (Ha, ha,
> ha)
> > before the "shortage" gas was about 53 cents a gallon for preium after
> words
> > it went up to 70 and 75 cents a gallon.  But BIG suprise there was no
> real
> > shortage, the oil companies had plenty of gas they just decided to
> raise the
> > prices and felt that if they just did it the public would have a hissy
> fit.
> > So they with held the gas (stored it in places like Biesterfield Ohio
> and
> > Rumsfield Michigan 2 former refineries for Union Oil), and bang zoom
> up went
> > the prices.
> >
> > Peter funny you mention the politions NOT mentioning the fuel prices
> during
> > an election, Bush and Kerry didn't mention them here either.  Some how
> I
> > feel Daddy Bush might have had something to do with that, Texas and
> Oil
> > Money and all of that.
> >
> > When I worked at Union they used to post the daily "wholesale" price
> of the
> > gas, so we knew how much to figure the different state and federal
> taxes on
> > (I worked in the corporate tax department), the average daily price
> was
> > around 45 to 65 cents a gallon when the pump price was 80 to 95 cents
> a
> > gallon.  Funny you should also mention "taxes" since here in Illinois
> we pay
> > the highest gas tax in the nation between the state, county, and fed
> it
> > averages about 25 cents a gallon now.
> >
> > Just my 2 cents on this very HOT topic.
> >
> > Peg Pfeiffer
>
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 14 20:23:20 2004
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:23:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] model engine
References: <BAY103-F5A7B80BEA09E8F74E7420C8AC0@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0412140814180.19865@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <003401c4e25d$cf700f00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>

Hi Arnie, Luke, and list,

You both made some good points. I've seen compressors turned into engines in 
GEM, and never gave a thought to the stuff you brought up. I keep seeing the 
way cool models list member post from kits, but there is more to it than 
that.

I've been following the four part series in GEM,  and this month (Jan) he 
covered the head. Not more than a chunk of cast iron with directions. Way 
over my abilities, and couldn't or wouldn't spend that much on equipement. 
Are they all this hard. That head could be made from scrap without much more 
work and a set of plans.

Maybe one day I'll just buy one from Reg. The way the Sattley is kicking my 
behind, I sure don't need something else to join it. Still an interesting 
topic.

"Arn, you just start with a sad Briggs FH and a hacksaw, and cut away
> everthing that doesn't look like a horizontal, open-crank, sideshaft
> engine."

More than one way to go about it from what I am hearing so far.

Jeff Allen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] model engine


> Hi Luke (and others considering model engines),
>
> What facinates me about "model" engines are the clever ones that aren't
> simply scaled-down casting sets based on real stationary engines.
>
> Rather it's like the sculptor who, when asked how he created his
> masterpieces, replied that he just chipped away everthing that didn't look
> like (whatever it was that he had sculpted).
>
> Leroy Clark has made some incredible Striggs & Bratton engines.  During
> one long BS session with Leroy punctuated by the sweet pop of his engines,
> I asked him what was involved in making one.  I happened to be admiring a
> horizontal, open-crank, sideshaft at the time.  He turns to me and sez,
> "Arn, you just start with a sad Briggs FH and a hacksaw, and cut away
> everthing that doesn't look like a horizontal, open-crank, sideshaft
> engine."  Then with that classic-Leroy twinkle in his eye he sez "Oh, and
> maybe add a couple of hundred hours of lathe & mill work."  8-)))
>
> But the end result is something VERY different.  Another example is the
> gent (or gents) who setup at Baraboo and have a number of hit & miss
> engines that they've built from nice old cast iron air compressors.  In
> that case you very often have a nice-looking finned cylinder, open crank
> (maybe even inverted geometry), crankshaft, rod, piston, and flywheel.
> The boys at Baraboo put out a VERY impressive display.  I've also seen
> nice looking flywheels that were originally heavy valve handles.
>
> After the Asheville show I'm thinking REAL hard about building one of
> those "Henry Ford's first engine" jobbies.  You've probably seen it; about
> four feet long, built largly out of scrap and pipe fittings.  VERY cool!
>
> Lots of interesting options out there in addition to casting sets.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Luke Tonneberger wrote:
>
>> If you need a piston for a model engine why not take one out of a Briggs 
>> and
>> Stratton?  I'm currently attempting to make an engine and am using a 
>> piston
>> and cylinder from a Volkswagon engine, crankshaft and gears from a 
>> Briggs,
>> and a couple cast wheels for the flywheels. I'm just using junk that I 
>> have
>> laying around.  All I have is a lathe and drill press.  Don't know if 
>> mine
>> will end up running but it is fun making chips and scratching my head.
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Dec 15 05:38:51 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 06:38:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Dismantling the IR Steam Compressor Day 1
References: <e4.5e9cabb0.2ef0dc2c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV5F7CF59C71647A1B0F442BBAD0@phx.gbl>

Zara...Rick needs a propane fired space heater (torpedo) for Christmas! 
Tough to work in those conditions.  One doesn't take/have the time to clean 
the threads and such.
  Congrats to you both and we're rootin' for ya.

RickinMt.







----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Todengine at aol.com>
To: <relisses at gmpexpress.net>; <Stationary_Steam_Engines at yahoogroups.com>; 
<steam_lizards at yahoogroups.com>; <steam-engine at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
<TodEngine at yahoogroups.com>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 5:15 PM
Subject: [SEL] Dismantling the IR Steam Compressor Day 1


> Well wouldn't you know it the heavy snows finally came last night, and
> completely covered the compressor engine!
>
> The dismantling crew (myself and my wife Zara) arrived at the Park drop
> forging plant in Cleveland about 12:30 pm, and I started to work removing 
> misc.
> small parts including the exhaust steam lines, lube lines and mechanical
> lubricators, piping etc.  I started to remove the throttle valve and 
> governor but as
> usually happens one of the nuts stripped out, so more drastic measures 
> will be
> taken on it later.  I also removed the nuts holding the air crossover pipe 
> and
> the main bearing caps nuts.  By 2:30 pm I was frozen solid and we left the
> plant to head back home with a pickup load of steam engine goodies.
>
> I'll be back at the plant tommorrow afternoon to continue the work.  I 
> hope
> to be able to hijack a forlkift and operator for a few minutes to take off 
> the
> air crossover pipe, and pull the flywheel and crankshaft out.  I also hope 
> to
> crib up under the compressor end of the main bedplate to support that end 
> so I
> can remove the air lines underneath the compressor cylinders, and to get 
> the
> compressor cylinders themselves ready to pull off.
>
> Assuming things go according to plan tommorrow I'll be back on Friday to 
> move
> more parts to Youngstown.
>
> As I was packing up to leave one of the maintenance men was getting into 
> his
> car and mantioned that "someone from the Smithsonian had looked at the
> compressor at one time". If I had a dollar for each time I have heard that 
> phrase
> when it comes to old machinery I would be rich by now!  He also said that 
> it was
> a good running machine and worked when they stopped using it.  If that is 
> so
> then why are one set of eccentric rods disconnected and tied up out oif 
> the way
> and the packing glands on the valve rods missing?  I think it was running 
> on
> one cylinder at the end of its career.  I just hope I don't find any major
> problems inside.  But if so, heck I work at a foundry and we have a lathe 
> and
> milling machine so there isn't anything we couldn't remake!
>
> More phjotos of todays work are online at
> http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Executive Director
> Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark
> William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
> Youngstown, OH
> www.todengine.org
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From Vivas1993 at aol.com  Wed Dec 15 05:46:37 2004
From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:46:37 EST
Subject: [SEL] National gas engine
Message-ID: <12c.5327eb8b.2ef19a3d@aol.com>

Hi folks,
 I'm trying to find some info. on a National Gas Engine, made in the UK. 
 It has a 6 1/2 x 12" bore & stroke, 43"flywheels, & a serial # in the 13000 
range. 
 This engine has a sparkplug right now, but I'm guessing it use to have hot 
tube ignition. Any help will be appreciated, as I'm thinking of buying this 
engine.
 Thanks,
 Dwight Vivas
 Matoaca, VA.


From Todengine at aol.com  Wed Dec 15 06:00:29 2004
From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:00:29 EST
Subject: [SEL] Dismantling the IR Steam Compressor Day 1
Message-ID: <1da.31cb8c7f.2ef19d7d@aol.com>

I already got my christmas gifts, she let me order every book out of the 
Lindsay catalog that I wanted!  So can't ask for more this year. :-(   I do have a 
torpedo heater but no electric up there to tap into.  But I do have one of 
those heaters that screw right into a propane bottle.  Better than nothing. 

Zara insists on accompanying me on my trips up to dismantle the engine.  She 
has sort of adopted it, and she'll be doing alot of the cosmetic restoration 
work on it.  A family that restores engines together stays together. 

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark
William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
Youngstown, OH
www.todengine.org


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Wed Dec 15 06:40:11 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:40:11 +0100
Subject: [SEL] National gas engine
References: <12c.5327eb8b.2ef19a3d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000501c4e2b3$fb3340c0$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

Hi Dwight,
     Paul Evans from the Internal Fire Museum has at least
20 different National manuals, they can be downloaded
for a little fee.
The address is:
http://www.internalfire.com/index.php

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web




> Hi folks,
>  I'm trying to find some info. on a National Gas Engine, made in the UK. 
>  It has a 6 1/2 x 12" bore & stroke, 43"flywheels, & a serial # in the 13000 
> range. 
>  This engine has a sparkplug right now, but I'm guessing it use to have hot 
> tube ignition. Any help will be appreciated, as I'm thinking of buying this 
> engine.
>  Thanks,
>  Dwight Vivas
>  Matoaca, VA.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From Todengine at aol.com  Wed Dec 15 09:39:01 2004
From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:39:01 EST
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Progress Report
Message-ID: <1e0.314e55dc.2ef1d0b5@aol.com>

Here are a few things going on here aside from the IR air compressor project.

Engine display building- Architectural plans are complete, building permit 
has been issued.  The building will be equipped with a 3 ton overhead crane 
which will be able to service the entire Tod Engine.  The crane itself will be 
built in house, and to that end we have made arrangements to purchase a used 
double girder overhead crane.  This crane will have to be lengthened to 30' by 
replacing the shorter I beams with longer ones. We have acquired a newer P&H 
chain hoist and trolley, and thanks to P&H downloaded a manual for it so we can 
wire it up correctly.

We also have tentatively purchased an Allis Chalmers front end loader for 
$700.  I think that is well under its scrap value!   Its operational although it 
has one flat tire and a tie rod between the two steering tires is broke in 
three pieces.  This will be our first real piece of heavy equipment, and will be 
a great help in museum construction.   I say tentatively because I am working 
through a third party to buy it, and anymore I don't really consider things a 
done deal until the item is loaded on my truck and headed down the road.

For the next two weeks we are going to Washington D.C. for vacation visiting 
relatives.  While gone I would like to get a day or two of research done on 
stationary steam engines and steelmaking.  A trip to the Smithsonian is planned. 
 Anyone have any "must see" things to do while I'm in that area?

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Heritage Park
William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
Youngstown, OH
www.todengine.org


From markshattuck at ntelos.net  Wed Dec 15 14:19:02 2004
From: markshattuck at ntelos.net (Mark L Shattuck)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:19:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Progress Report
In-Reply-To: <1e0.314e55dc.2ef1d0b5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200412152219.iBFMJ7a20448@mailrtr02.ntelos.net>

Rick take the bus from the air & space museum to the new air&space at Dulles
the trip fare is about $7:50 a person up & back 
                                       Mark L Shattuck
                                       Waynesboro VA 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Todengine at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:39 PM
To: TodEngine at yahoogroups.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Progress Report

Here are a few things going on here aside from the IR air compressor
project.

Engine display building- Architectural plans are complete, building permit 
has been issued.  The building will be equipped with a 3 ton overhead crane 
which will be able to service the entire Tod Engine.  The crane itself will
be 
built in house, and to that end we have made arrangements to purchase a used

double girder overhead crane.  This crane will have to be lengthened to 30'
by 
replacing the shorter I beams with longer ones. We have acquired a newer P&H

chain hoist and trolley, and thanks to P&H downloaded a manual for it so we
can 
wire it up correctly.

We also have tentatively purchased an Allis Chalmers front end loader for 
$700.  I think that is well under its scrap value!   Its operational
although it 
has one flat tire and a tie rod between the two steering tires is broke in 
three pieces.  This will be our first real piece of heavy equipment, and
will be 
a great help in museum construction.   I say tentatively because I am
working 
through a third party to buy it, and anymore I don't really consider things
a 
done deal until the item is loaded on my truck and headed down the road.

For the next two weeks we are going to Washington D.C. for vacation visiting

relatives.  While gone I would like to get a day or two of research done on 
stationary steam engines and steelmaking.  A trip to the Smithsonian is
planned. 
 Anyone have any "must see" things to do while I'm in that area?

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Heritage Park
William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
Youngstown, OH
www.todengine.org
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Dec 15 17:55:00 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:55:00 EST
Subject: [SEL] International LB Timing
Message-ID: <1ca.2db1288c.2ef244f4@aol.com>

Hi List,
Yes, I removed the magneto from one of my newly acquired  International LB 
without properly checking the alignment of the magneto  shaft to the crankshaft 
rotation.
What is the proper method to time the International LB magneto  to the 
engine?  There is a marked tooth on the magneto.   There doesn't seem to be a 
corresponding mark on the cam gear.  When the  "DC" mark (compression stroke) on the 
flywheel is aligned with the mark on  the engine, the cam output shaft key 
way is also aligned to the same engine  mark.  With this condition, what is the 
correct position of the magneto  gear or point cam?
By the way, after replacing the capacitor and cleaning/adjusting  the points, 
the magneto does produce a nice blue spark.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria,  California



From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Dec 15 19:40:22 2004
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 03:40:22 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Progress Report
In-Reply-To: <1e0.314e55dc.2ef1d0b5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20041216034022.31480.qmail@web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi Rick

Your enthusiasm and level of enegy leaves me astounded!  I would love to see the finished project
if ever I can get across your way.

 --- Todengine at aol.com wrote: 
> Here are a few things going on here aside from the IR air compressor project.

>  Anyone have any "must see" things to do while I'm in that area?

When you are in the Smithsonian, would mind casually asking if they have any information on the
Atkinson Cycle engine?  Pictures in particular would be useful.  Many thnaks in advance.

Enjoy your vacation and make sure it is a vacation, not an excuse to do work in another location!

Regards

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea


		
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Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! Messenger 
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From pcgray at zoominternet.net  Thu Dec 16 03:42:19 2004
From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 06:42:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Smithsonian stuff
Message-ID: <8AB2B94B-4F57-11D9-A2E0-000A9574E7BA@zoominternet.net>

Rick- By all means you'll be amazed at the stuff in the Smithsonian. 
They have lots of  EARLY steamers, Atkinson-cycle and Brayton-cycle 
engines. The only other Brayton cycle I have seen was in the Great 
Falls Museum in Patterson, NJ . I was at the Smithsonian about 2 years 
ago and I believe they were revamping the engine display.

If you are going to do research there, be sure to arrange it in 
advance. If they know you are coming and that you are associated with a 
museum, I think they'll treat you right. There is a nice lunch to be 
had at the Chapel next to the old museum building on the west-central 
end of the grounds for reasonable $$$. I think it is open to the public 
now.

Also take the metro to either Rosslyn or Dupont circle. There are two 
of the largest escalators I have ever seen there; something like 300' 
long- scary for us acrophobics.

Paul



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Dec 16 05:04:23 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:04:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Smithsonian stuff
In-Reply-To: <8AB2B94B-4F57-11D9-A2E0-000A9574E7BA@zoominternet.net>
References: <8AB2B94B-4F57-11D9-A2E0-000A9574E7BA@zoominternet.net>
Message-ID: <41C187D7.9010003@scrtc.com>

Paul,

They haven't revamped the engine display but did rework some of the 
exhibits next door to it.  There is some very neat stuff to see there 
for sure.  The real disappointment that I have with the Smithsonian is 
that the former Centennial Exposition building has been completely 
changed.  Until about 6 years ago it contained a lot of neat items that 
were indicitive of the Centennial Exposition of 1876.  There were a 
couple of atmospheric engines, a couple of slide valve horizontals, all 
kinds of machine tools, etc.  The kind of stuff that would catch most of 
our interests.  I understand that a portion of it has been moved to 
another location (possibly Steamtown in PA?).  Nevertheless, the advice 
you give Rick is right on track.  A day (or two or three) to the 
Smithsonian is certainly worth the trip.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky





Paul + Colleen Gray wrote:

> Rick- By all means you'll be amazed at the stuff in the Smithsonian. 
> They have lots of  EARLY steamers, Atkinson-cycle and Brayton-cycle 
> engines. The only other Brayton cycle I have seen was in the Great Falls 
> Museum in Patterson, NJ . I was at the Smithsonian about 2 years ago and 
> I believe they were revamping the engine display.
> 
> If you are going to do research there, be sure to arrange it in advance. 
> If they know you are coming and that you are associated with a museum, I 
> think they'll treat you right. There is a nice lunch to be had at the 
> Chapel next to the old museum building on the west-central end of the 
> grounds for reasonable $$$. I think it is open to the public now.
> 
> Also take the metro to either Rosslyn or Dupont circle. There are two of 
> the largest escalators I have ever seen there; something like 300' long- 
> scary for us acrophobics.
> 
> Paul
> 
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Dec 16 06:24:06 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:24:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] IHC "M"
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV3306AFD18F3DF09568B3DEBBAE0@phx.gbl>

  Howdy all and happy holidays to ya'll.

 Well Cork's 1 1/2 M is completely disassembled and finally the sleeve gave 
in and came out nicely.  I'll post some pictures of the removal when I get 
them uploaded.

  My priority is organizing the shed, a long overdue process and amazing how 
much stuff crawled in there over the last few years.  I do that for a while 
then sneak over to the "M" and play with it for a while.

  We were also given a vertical coke bottle style 10 hp Wachs stationary 
steam engine and that is also disassembled and in the electrolysis 
tank....well let's say dumpster.  The electrolysis really takes the many 
coats of paint off in just a matter of days, and that's all I got as tuesday 
the garbage truck comes again.  Cork is now hauling the garbage for me. 
Kathy hasn't noticed yet:-)

  Watched the movie "Red Headed Stranger" with Willy Nelson the other day. 
When he's digging the well there's a pretty good sized horizontal on trucks 
in the background.

  Also Cork gave me a vhs from the outdoor channel where a guy and his wife 
go up to Alaska exploring an old silver mine.  Lots of iron there...nice 
vertical Novo directly coupled to ? , a big old field Superior horizontal 
lookin' engine that looks like it was belted up to a compressor and possibly 
some steam.  Pretty cool documentary!!

  We sure could use the paint code for the "M"..hopefully an automotive 3 
pak paint.

Take care
RickinMt.


http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 


From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Dec 16 09:02:03 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:02:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Arden pictures.
Message-ID: <41C1BF8B.3050305@imc-group.com>

Hey SEL,
Things ARE slow at the moment aren't they! Seems a bit of cabin fever 
has set in at least in the northern hemisphere.
Here are some photos from the Arden show in late October I put up yesterday.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Asheville2004/Thumbnails.html

I didn't take the time to put any captions/text with them so you'll just 
have to scroll thru them.

Of interest are:
-Peter Lowe, if you are still on the SEL there is another R&V and s/n 
for your list.
-An Aussie spoke of an Armstrong a while back. There are several 
pictures and closeups of the unusual oval cam gear. There is also a 
letter from the Armstrong factory.
-Towards the bottom of the pictures are pictures of the SEL crowd that 
was there. No doubt that was a fine collection of engines in a 
concentrated area! There is even a Reggie engine there.

Hope you enjoy and maybe this will spark some engine discussion.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Thu Dec 16 09:26:54 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:26:54 +0100
Subject: [SEL] IHC "M"
References: <BAY3-DAV3306AFD18F3DF09568B3DEBBAE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000501c4e394$706a5be0$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

You're really bussy Rick, playing engines and even watching movies :o)
Did you found anything under the sleeve? The last time I pulled a sleeve 
out I found a # 12 colt chissel at the bottom.
About the paint codes, I have for you DuPont Adirondack Green 84155,
Dit Gross 40496 or Rustoleum Hunter Green. Don't know what quality it's.

Merry Cristmas to you and Cork,

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web




>  Well Cork's 1 1/2 M is completely disassembled and finally the sleeve gave 
> in and came out nicely.  I'll post some pictures of the removal when I get 
> them uploaded.
> 
>   We sure could use the paint code for the "M"..hopefully an automotive 3 
> pak paint.
> 
> Take care
> RickinMt.




From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Thu Dec 16 12:56:18 2004
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:56:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] SEL International Charity auction calendar
In-Reply-To: <41C1BF8B.3050305@imc-group.com>
References: <41C1BF8B.3050305@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20041216144640.0365c598@mail.herculesengines.com>

Well I'm late getting the 2005 calender going.  But, if you would go 
through your photos taken this summer and send me your best shots, I'll try 
to put together another calendar for the charity auction.  Send them to me 
at kkinney at herculesengines.com.
Thanks.
Keith 




From rexhinz at chorus.net  Thu Dec 16 13:53:09 2004
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:53:09 -0600
Subject: [SEL] International LB Timing
References: <1ca.2db1288c.2ef244f4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000701c4e3b9$a431d280$4a86a5d8@mycomputer>

Francis;

If its the same as a LA both the gear on the camshaft and the mag have marks
, anyway my 1-1/2 HP LA does , and you have a little adjustment on the mag
as it turns some with the mount bolts loose . maybe someone has the gear on
the cam on backwards and the mark is on the inside, Just a thought

Rex Hinz
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 7:55 PM
Subject: [SEL] International LB Timing


> Hi List,
> Yes, I removed the magneto from one of my newly acquired  International LB
> without properly checking the alignment of the magneto  shaft to the
crankshaft
> rotation.
> What is the proper method to time the International LB magneto  to the
> engine?  There is a marked tooth on the magneto.   There doesn't seem to
be a
> corresponding mark on the cam gear.  When the  "DC" mark (compression
stroke) on the
> flywheel is aligned with the mark on  the engine, the cam output shaft key
> way is also aligned to the same engine  mark.  With this condition, what
is the
> correct position of the magneto  gear or point cam?
> By the way, after replacing the capacitor and cleaning/adjusting  the
points,
> the magneto does produce a nice blue spark.
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria,  California
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Thu Dec 16 14:09:17 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:09:17 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Arden pictures.
References: <41C1BF8B.3050305@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c4e3bb$e2e9f730$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

Alot of interesting engines there Curt, even that lobster cooking
Lorenz. I like that beautiful restored Friend engine.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl


> Hey SEL,
> Things ARE slow at the moment aren't they! Seems a bit of cabin fever 
> has set in at least in the northern hemisphere.
> Here are some photos from the Arden show in late October I put up yesterday.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Asheville2004/Thumbnails.html
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Dec 16 17:20:15 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:20:15 EST
Subject: [SEL] International LB Timing
Message-ID: <129.52723830.2ef38e4f@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/16/2004 5:06:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
rexhinz at chorus.net writes:


If  its the same as a LA both the gear on the camshaft and the mag have marks
,  anyway my 1-1/2 HP LA does , and you have a little adjustment on the mag
as  it turns some with the mount bolts loose . maybe someone has the gear  on
the cam on backwards and the mark is on the inside, Just a  thought



I was able to get the mag timed today.  Thanks for all  the help.  I didn't 
realize that the LB magneto fires on both the  compression and exhaust stroke 
at top dead center.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria,  California



From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Dec 14 11:26:27 2004
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:26:27 -0000
Subject: [SEL] International shipping
References: <20041212213741.185.qmail@web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c4e212$d02d1280$b19de150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

    The heavy bits were transported to New York where they were crated and
shiped from, a manifest was supplied by the shipping agent as regards the
contents and value etc .Import duty had to be paid on entry to the uk as
they cleared customs, no problems were  encountered with customs.

        See you later Craig
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Everett" <deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] International shipping


> Hi Craig
>
> How did you get the heavy bits across the water?  Any problems with
Customs?
>
> Regards
>
> Dave
> Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea
>
>
>  --- craig morrison <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >         I have just spent the day unpacking and playing with my new toys
that I bought when
> > visiting Portland in august.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Dec 17 06:03:17 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:03:17 -0700
Subject: [SEL] IHC "M"
References: <BAY3-DAV3306AFD18F3DF09568B3DEBBAE0@phx.gbl>
	<000501c4e394$706a5be0$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV326AA5BB9C439DD636B325BBAF0@phx.gbl>

Appreciate the paint codes and all the other info, John.

The last few pictures on this album show the removal.  Even after days in 
the electrolysis tank and high pressure hose, there was still a lot of rust 
under the sleeve, but nothing exciting showed up.  It took ~ 3 days for the 
sleeve to finally give in.

http://community.webshots.com/album/195231503TxJFzI/2

Necessity is the mother of invention and the dumpster works excellent for 
electrolysis.  In this case 3 or more coats of heavy paint are being 
removed:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/188300547/233361428LtpHZp

Thanks again and Happy Holidays to you, yours and the SEL!!

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC "M"


> You're really bussy Rick, playing engines and even watching movies :o)
> Did you found anything under the sleeve? The last time I pulled a sleeve
> out I found a # 12 colt chissel at the bottom.
> About the paint codes, I have for you DuPont Adirondack Green 84155,
> Dit Gross 40496 or Rustoleum Hunter Green. Don't know what quality it's.
>
> Merry Cristmas to you and Cork,
>
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
>
>
>
>
> >  Well Cork's 1 1/2 M is completely disassembled and finally the sleeve 
> > gave
> > in and came out nicely.  I'll post some pictures of the removal when I 
> > get
> > them uploaded.
> >
> >   We sure could use the paint code for the "M"..hopefully an automotive 
> > 3
> > pak paint.
> >
> > Take care
> > RickinMt.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Dec 17 07:09:09 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:09:09 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Arden pictures.
References: <41C1BF8B.3050305@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV3308B5B629AE0B098F52CDBBAF0@phx.gbl>

SEL is sure slow on this end also, Curt.  Must be out shoppin'.  Well thanks 
for posting the pix's!!!  Does the washer in the "J" mixer seem to be 
working?  "Eco" has been runnin' slow for about a year now and wants to quit 
after about 20 minutes of runnin'.  I put the OEM spring back in the gov and 
it sure blew sparks and carbon...still does.  I think I'll keep her fast for 
a while and see it she clear up.

Later,
RickinMt.




> Hey SEL,
> Things ARE slow at the moment aren't they! Seems a bit of cabin fever
> has set in at least in the northern hemisphere.
> Here are some photos from the Arden show in late October I put up 
> yesterday.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Asheville2004/Thumbnails.html 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Dec 17 07:14:34 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:14:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Arden show
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV6EBA6303BBF409E3969EEBBAF0@phx.gbl>

Sorry should have posted the picture of the Herc with washer in the j mixer;

http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Asheville2004/PA230010.html

RickinMt.


From EnginePaul at aol.com  Fri Dec 17 07:26:19 2004
From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:26:19 EST
Subject: [SEL] IHC "M"
Message-ID: <53.1d361a5a.2ef4549b@aol.com>

Necessity is the mother of invention and the dumpster works excellent for 
electrolysis.  In this case 3 or more coats of heavy paint are being 
removed:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/188300547/233361428LtpHZp

Well, those things are for recycling anyway; aren't they?


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Dec 17 07:38:11 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:38:11 -0700
Subject: [SEL] IHC "M"
References: <53.1d361a5a.2ef4549b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV2812E04C9DEF404AA4E14DBBAF0@phx.gbl>

Naw, but I like your way of thinkin'

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <EnginePaul at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC "M"


> Necessity is the mother of invention and the dumpster works excellent for
> electrolysis.  In this case 3 or more coats of heavy paint are being
> removed:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/188300547/233361428LtpHZp
>
> Well, those things are for recycling anyway; aren't they?
> _______________________________________________
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Dec 17 07:31:01 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:31:01 EST
Subject: [SEL] Babbitt
Message-ID: <d9.1c0560c4.2ef455b5@aol.com>

 
Hi List,
For those members who need babbitt, there are three bars  available on eBay.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  California




From Todengine at aol.com  Fri Dec 17 06:54:46 2004
From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:54:46 EST
Subject: [SEL] IR Imperial Compressor Update & Christmas Greetings from the
	Tod Engine
Message-ID: <19d.2cec77e0.2ef44d36@aol.com>

I've cancelled today's work session in Cleveland as the demolition activities 
at the plant has made space cramped around the compressor and I didn't want 
to be in their way.  It will be safe until I return from Vacation after the 
first of the year and I'll start working on it again.

When I get up there again I intend to remove the air cylinders and 
crankshaft/flywheel and transport those pieces during one trip, then return to haul out 
the main casting.  That main casting will be the heaviest part and I am hoping 
that the Ford superduty flatbed can handle it.  We may have to lift it with a 
pair of I beams and cribbing to get it loaded but that isn't something that 
we haven't done before.  

David Hill from Park Ohio mentioned that he recieved a package of 
documentation from Ingersoll Rand about the compressor, which will aid in our restoration 
of the engine. 

Have a Merry Christmas everyone.  Go to our webshots page at 
http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine and look at our Christmas Card 
to all of our supporters.  2004 has been a momentus year for the Tod Engine 
Foundation.  During the past year we moved 239,000 lbs. worth of engine parts to 
the site, leased the Tod Engine restoration shop, hired an architect and 
obtained the building permit for the engine display building, acquired the IR 
Imperial compressor and a front end loader.  We will build upon this years 
successes in 2005 when we successfully move the remaining engine parts to the site and 
erect the display building, put in our front parking area and construct the 
on site office.  

Take Care!  

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Heritage Park
William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
Youngstown, OH
www.todengine.org


From driggars at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 17 10:34:32 2004
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:34:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Babbitt
References: <d9.1c0560c4.2ef455b5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <016401c4e467$0da50720$a5458304@clinton>

What is the link to the auction?

Clint



>
> Hi List,
> For those members who need babbitt, there are three bars  available on
eBay.
>
> Francis Maciel
> Santa Maria,  California
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Dec 17 16:43:37 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:43:37 -0800
Subject: [SEL] IH LA valve cover on Ebay
Message-ID: <20041217.164338.276.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  Anyone need a valve cover for an International LA?

ttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=38602507
04&rd=1

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Dec 17 18:54:18 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:54:18 EST
Subject: [SEL] Babbitt
Message-ID: <d6.1c29ce46.2ef4f5da@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/17/2004 10:38:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
driggars at earthlink.net writes:

What is  the link to the auction?
Here are several links.
 
 

_eBay  item 3860978493 (Ends Dec-22-04 12:04:18 PST) - BABBITT 4.00 LB 
BAR,STEAM ENGINE  BEARINGS ETC_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=29402&item=3860978493&rd=1)  
 
_eBay  item 3860978680 (Ends Dec-22-04 12:05:03 PST) - BABBITT 5.00 LB 
BAR,STEAM ENGINE  BEARINGS ETC_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=29402&item=3860978680&rd=1)  
 
_eBay  item 3860978867 (Ends Dec-22-04 12:05:45 PST) - BABBITT 5.25 LB 
BAR,STEAM ENGINE  BEARINGS ETC_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=29402&item=3860978867&rd=1)  
 
_eBay  item 3860583902 (Ends Dec-20-04 16:33:46 PST) - SYRACUSE SMELTING 
MANGANESE  BABBITT INGOT_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=61605&item=3860583902&rd=1)  
 
_eBay  item 3860583166 (Ends Dec-20-04 16:30:00 PST) - AMERICAN METALS 
MANGANESE  BABBITT INGOT_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=61605&item=3860583166&rd=1)   

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, California



From transteck at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 17 20:12:07 2004
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:12:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Babbitt
References: <d9.1c0560c4.2ef455b5@aol.com>
	<016401c4e467$0da50720$a5458304@clinton>
Message-ID: <005201c4e4b7$bdf73760$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>

Here's a thought. Go to e-bay and search for Babbitt. 50 some hits and five 
are for what you are looking for. Not a common search word like maybe CD. 
Who puts your clothes out in the morning. Mommy?

Jeff
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clint D" <driggars at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Babbitt


> What is the link to the auction?
>
> Clint
>
>
>
>>
>> Hi List,
>> For those members who need babbitt, there are three bars  available on
> eBay.
>>
>> Francis Maciel
>> Santa Maria,  California
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From falcon at telenet.net  Fri Dec 17 22:45:33 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 01:45:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Building plans (pole barn types mostly) FREE
Message-ID: <002701c4e4cd$2cc73d60$1c5c14d0@net.telenet.net>

http://www.public.iastate.edu/~mwps_dis/mwps_web/ma_plans.html

Interesting site that gives you some ideas and plans for various types
of pole barns, and other construction as well.
And it's FREE


Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY

"God grant us the serenity to accept the things we cannot change,
courage to change the things we can,and wisdom to know the difference."



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Dec 17 21:52:54 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 16:52:54 +1100
Subject: [SEL] People with deep pockets
Message-ID: <200412181259.iBICxWoT086243@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Why is there a sudden surge in the price of original literature? 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3859812255
Have people developed deeper pockets or just gone a little crazy?

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From Todengine at aol.com  Sat Dec 18 05:27:31 2004
From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:27:31 EST
Subject: [SEL] Unsubscribing
Message-ID: <9b.5510c550.2ef58a43@aol.com>

I'm going to Maryland for two weeks so I'm unsubscribing.  I'll resubscribe 
when I return.

Merry Christmas.

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Heritage Park
William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
Youngstown, OH
www.todengine.org


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Dec 18 06:19:38 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:19:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] People with deep pockets
In-Reply-To: <200412181259.iBICxWoT086243@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200412181259.iBICxWoT086243@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <41C43C7A.4010504@scrtc.com>

Patrick,

    I guess each person has their own interest but I agree that the 
original literature seems to have made a surge in price well ahead of 
the old engine price increases.  The original literature is harder to 
find than the old engines so I guess its natural that it would 
eventually catch on and become highly sought after.  Its sort of like 
what oilers did 20 years ago.  I can remember the day when oilers were 
not in much demand.  They were a minor secondary item to the old iron.  
Now you'll see an oiler on an engine and the oiler is worth more than 
the engine itself.  I remember the days of the $10 swingtops and 
paragons.  Those were the days.....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

>Why is there a sudden surge in the price of original literature? 
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3859812255
>Have people developed deeper pockets or just gone a little crazy?
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
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>
>
>  
>



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 18 06:59:00 2004
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 14:59:00 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Arden pictures.
In-Reply-To: <41C1BF8B.3050305@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F28992BCDFBAF96744F22AFC8A00@phx.gbl>

Hi Curt,

What is the story with the IH M with the flame coming out of the exhaust?  
Any idea how they did that?

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
==========================


>From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: SEL <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Arden pictures.
>Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:02:03 -0500
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Asheville2004/Thumbnails.html
>
>
>
>Hope you enjoy and maybe this will spark some engine discussion.
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC




From oldengin at udata.com  Sat Dec 18 08:06:47 2004
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:06:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Arden pictures.
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F28992BCDFBAF96744F22AFC8A00@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F28992BCDFBAF96744F22AFC8A00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41C45597.7090908@udata.com>

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Hi Curt,
>
> What is the story with the IH M with the flame coming out of the 
> exhaust?  Any idea how they did that?
>
> Luke 

Gday
    Luke, I did not see he pics yet but here is one way to do this.. 
Bore and stoke your "H" till it is rated at 50 plus horse power and feed 
her alcohol. This will give you fire out of the exhaust.. Want to know 
how to bore these beasts?????   ;-)

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From shop at cccomm.net  Sat Dec 18 10:40:28 2004
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:40:28 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy Engines
Message-ID: <00da01c4e531$0d836690$6501a8c0@Shop>

Go to Hercules Restoration to see the carts I made for these engines.
They are the last 8 pictures
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009545&f=0

From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Dec 18 15:13:43 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:13:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Water Cooled Maytag
Message-ID: <41C4B9A7.10302@scrtc.com>

I don't know much about Maytag engines but here is one that I've never 
seen before.  This is a water cooled Maytag.  Did Maytag make this or 
was the cylinder an aftermarket item that was placed on a Maytag frame?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3861476816&rd=1

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY





From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Dec 19 06:55:03 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 09:55:03 EST
Subject: [SEL] People with deep pockets
Message-ID: <b9.4d808982.2ef6f047@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/18/2004 9:23:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

<< I remember the days of the $10 swingtops and 
 paragons.  Those were the days..... >>


Tommy,

Yes, and I remember pumping gas as a kid in the early 60's for 17 cents a 
gallon during the gas wars north of Pittsburgh, Pa.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Dec 19 07:00:26 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 10:00:26 EST
Subject: [SEL] Economy Engines
Message-ID: <fc.8d49667.2ef6f18a@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/18/2004 1:48:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
shop at cccomm.net writes:

<< Go to Hercules Restoration to see the carts I made for these engines. >>

Dave,

Great looking engines and carts! 

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Dec 19 07:20:10 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 08:20:10 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Economy Engines
References: <00da01c4e531$0d836690$6501a8c0@Shop>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV317C759F86DC139BD7ED7DBBA10@phx.gbl>

Carts look super to me Dave.  The twins also.  

RickinMt.

PS: Would like to correspond one of these days re: the 3hp Gal.







----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 11:40 AM
Subject: [SEL] Economy Engines


Go to Hercules Restoration to see the carts I made for these engines.
They are the last 8 pictures
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009545&f=0
_______________________________________________
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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Dec 19 13:29:41 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 16:29:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] People with deep pockets
In-Reply-To: <41C43C7A.4010504@scrtc.com>
References: <200412181259.iBICxWoT086243@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<41C43C7A.4010504@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <1103491781.41c5f2c55a153@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Tommy,

You were saying about $10 Paragon Swingtops?  8-)))
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3860488851&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

BTW, Patrick, I really like to own original paper for all of the engines that I
own.  As Tommy pointed out, the paper is less durable and is often MUCH harder
to find than the engine.  For example, I've yet to see ANY paper on the
Robertsonville engines built in Canada.  So, on occasion, I've paid big bux for
"just paper."  But the paper gives me almost as much pleasure as the old iron
itself.  Each to their own I guess....

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:

> Now you'll see an oiler on an engine and the oiler is worth more than 
> the engine itself.  I remember the days of the $10 swingtops and 
> paragons.  Those were the days.....



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Dec 19 15:18:21 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:18:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] People with deep pockets
In-Reply-To: <1103491781.41c5f2c55a153@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <200412181259.iBICxWoT086243@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>	<41C43C7A.4010504@scrtc.com>
	<1103491781.41c5f2c55a153@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <41C60C3D.30706@scrtc.com>

Arnie,
    The regular Paragons and swingtops were in the $10 - $15 dollar 
range about 30 years ago.  I've had a couple of the Paragon Swingtops 
and bought one of them at Coolspring many years ago for $25.  I remember 
seeing a vendor with 2 at Portland in the early 80's and I could get 
them both for $100.  I passed on them as I knew he was way over priced 
and they would never be worth that kind of money..... 

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

>Hi Tommy,
>
>You were saying about $10 Paragon Swingtops?  8-)))
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3860488851&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
>
>BTW, Patrick, I really like to own original paper for all of the engines that I
>own.  As Tommy pointed out, the paper is less durable and is often MUCH harder
>to find than the engine.  For example, I've yet to see ANY paper on the
>Robertsonville engines built in Canada.  So, on occasion, I've paid big bux for
>"just paper."  But the paper gives me almost as much pleasure as the old iron
>itself.  Each to their own I guess....
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:
>
>  
>
>>Now you'll see an oiler on an engine and the oiler is worth more than 
>>the engine itself.  I remember the days of the $10 swingtops and 
>>paragons.  Those were the days.....
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Dec 19 15:35:40 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 23:35:40 -0000
Subject: [SEL] People with deep pockets
References: <200412181259.iBICxWoT086243@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><41C43C7A.4010504@scrtc.com>
	<1103491781.41c5f2c55a153@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <003601c4e623$74ba8080$8c9f0952@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] People with deep pockets


> You were saying about $10 Paragon Swingtops?  8-)))
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3860488851&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

Hi Arnie, how much would that have cost to buy in perhaps 1920?
What would be a weeks wages be at the same time?
ie how much are collectors inflating prices.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Dec 19 18:37:38 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:37:38 EST
Subject: [SEL] IHC LB Up date
Message-ID: <1a4.2d92e3cf.2ef794f2@aol.com>

Hi List,
Well today, I had another old engine fire up.  IHC LB was started after the 
head was removed to get the governor thottle plate unstuck.  
One thing to be sure, a person learns how the engine was made to operate when 
trying to get some of this old iron back in shape.  Fortunately, I was also 
able to locate a new 2?" diameter soft plug for this engine.
I was lucky to have David Ernst send me a copy of the IHC LB operating 
instructions.
Again thanks to everyone who helped me get this engine going.


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, CA 


From segray at mlode.com  Sun Dec 19 23:12:46 2004
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 23:12:46 -0800
Subject: [SEL] High output Lister?
Message-ID: <41C67B6E.3020801@mlode.com>

Hey All, Merry Xmas! -

    Having had similar thoughts on this subject, and knowing this has 
been batted around on SEL before, I thought I'd put up a link to a 
picture of a modified Lister. I know the purists will probably shun 
this, but it shows it *can* be done. I have the makings to try the same 
modification on my big twin and may just try it next year.

Check out http://www.oldengineshed.com/blown.html

Something to think about to get away from the winter doldrums!

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Dec 19 23:17:23 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:17:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] People with deep pockets
References: <200412181259.iBICxWoT086243@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><41C43C7A.4010504@scrtc.com><1103491781.41c5f2c55a153@webmail.city-net.com>
	<003601c4e623$74ba8080$8c9f0952@no1>
Message-ID: <00f001c4e663$f797fba0$880d1bd3@athlon>

 Parts of this hobby are getting to be like politics.  Beyond
understanding!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] People with deep pockets


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 9:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] People with deep pockets
>
>
> > You were saying about $10 Paragon Swingtops?  8-)))
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3860488851&ssPageNam
e=STRK:MEWA:IT
>
> Hi Arnie, how much would that have cost to buy in perhaps 1920?
> What would be a weeks wages be at the same time?
> ie how much are collectors inflating prices.
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Dec 20 03:28:51 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 06:28:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] High output Lister?
In-Reply-To: <41C67B6E.3020801@mlode.com>
References: <41C67B6E.3020801@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <5325C45F-527A-11D9-BC6A-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Oh yeah, that's cool!

John

On Dec 20, 2004, at 2:12 AM, Steve Gray wrote:

> Hey All, Merry Xmas! -
>
>    Having had similar thoughts on this subject, and knowing this has 
> been batted around on SEL before, I thought I'd put up a link to a 
> picture of a modified Lister. I know the purists will probably shun 
> this, but it shows it *can* be done. I have the makings to try the 
> same modification on my big twin and may just try it next year.
>
> Check out http://www.oldengineshed.com/blown.html
>
> Something to think about to get away from the winter doldrums!
>


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Dec 20 05:43:38 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 08:43:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Arden pictures.
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F28992BCDFBAF96744F22AFC8A00@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F28992BCDFBAF96744F22AFC8A00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41C6D70A.7070305@imc-group.com>

Luke,
I really have no idea how he does it but he is there every year. It is 
generally a real smoker of an engine so I'm guessing it is run on kero. 
I'll ask around and see if anyone knows how it is done.
Curt

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Hi Curt,
>
> What is the story with the IH M with the flame coming out of the 
> exhaust?  Any idea how they did that?
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA




From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Dec 20 05:58:47 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 08:58:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Arnie Hartman
Message-ID: <41C6DA97.901@imc-group.com>

Does anyone know Arnie Hartman's email address?
Thanks,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
curt at imc-group.com


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Dec 20 07:27:34 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:27:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] New engine find (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412201027090.76521@vegeta.city-net.com>

>From Peter Lowe in Oz....

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:03:15 +1100
From: Peter Lowe <plowe at ceinternet.com.au>
Reply-To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: New engine find

Hi all
This is the sort of find you dream about because it might be obtainable, but it is in the USA
It anyone close and interested in more info????
Peter, Oz


Hi Peter
I am interested in finding out information regarding a Westinghouse Electric Generator that we have in our basement.  Our house was built in 1928 and believe the generator is original to the house. The wheel still turns some.  The muffler is still intact to the exterior of the house and it seems to have most of its parts from what we can tell.

First is this something that can be rebuilt and worth doing?  We are not sure what to do with it.  My husbands grandpa wanted to restore it, but he passed away this fall and never got a chance to do it.  How do we go about finding out more info on it?  We live in Wisconsin and would appreciate any help or advice.  Is there someone you could put us in contact with.  Thanks.


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Dec 20 07:40:13 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 08:40:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Charity auction
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV27D9F065877621041D49FBBBA20@phx.gbl>

Howdy all;
  I got three NIB good ole $hit-kickin' norsky, sheep, cattle & montana 
related musical CD's. A local group called The Ringling Five.  I've seen 
them at Octoberfest and they are fantastic!  Songs like

 "Cow sortin' blues" ( Don't sort cows with your wife)

 "They sure look a lot like Arnold" (re: the kids in the valley)


You can have your little engine buddy listen also...but you might have to 
explain lutefisk and Ya, sure, you betcha.  It's in good humor taste.

Are these good items for the auction?  Not at all old iron related, but 
would sound good in your old iron hauler on the way to shows.

Appreciate your comments!!

RickinMt.


http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Dec 19 04:10:49 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 23:10:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Freeing up the piston on new toy
Message-ID: <200412201637.iBKGbMAT039182@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Ron recently had this new toy arrive home:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/04121601.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/04121602.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/04121603.JPG

So today we decided to see if we could get the stuck piston to move. Ron is
on light duties due to a recent operation but having the fork-lift certainly
helps.
First job was to move the engine into the shade as it was another very hot
summer's day. The crank guard came off fairly easily. These are much easier
to remove and replace than on the earlier style Australs. The early ones are
a pain in the neck and I can see why they are often missing. It is
interesting too see how much has changed on this "New Austral" to my early
style one.
I removed or loosened the rockers and other bits attached to the sideshaft
in preparation for its removal while Ron unbolted the bearing caps so we
could lift the crank enough to get the rear gear guard free and drop the
sideshaft. We left the big end connected as even connected it would give us
the travel we needed to do what we needed to do.
Ron used to fork to provided the lift on the flywheel while I closely
watched the crank and as soon as the flywheels had some weight on them the
piston moved! Ron did not believe me at first but the dirty mark in the bore
where the piston had been was good evidence. Before going any further we
checked that the sideshaft was not stuck. You would not believe how many
engines have broken sideshaft gears from people not checking this first. 
We put the bearing caps back on and gave everything a further oil up and
with a bit of effort we soon had the engine turning over freely! What looked
like a big job turned out to be much easier than we thought. The other 3hp
Austral looks to be in much poorer condition to this one so I think the
piston will be a lot harder to remove but todays engine seems to be in quite
good condition so it will make for a nice little project :)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From shop at cccomm.net  Mon Dec 20 08:38:36 2004
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 08:38:36 -0800
Subject: [SEL] JD Magneto
Message-ID: <01ad01c4e6b2$5c203bc0$6501a8c0@Shop>

Anyone know what model an original wyco mag was on JD D's? I'm contemplating getting an early steel wheeled one.

Dave

From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Mon Dec 20 08:57:59 2004
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:57:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Arnie Hartman
References: <41C6DA97.901@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <026501c4e6b5$1272d0c0$0301a8c0@ALEC>

ArnieHartmann at aol.com
E-mail Address(es):
  ArnieHartmann at aol.com


Alec J. Stevens
Investment Specialist
80 Leighton Road, Suite C
Falmouth, ME 04105
(800)842-6669
(207)797-5169
(207)797-2819
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 8:58 AM
Subject: [SEL] Arnie Hartman


> Does anyone know Arnie Hartman's email address?
> Thanks,
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> curt at imc-group.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Dec 20 09:14:42 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:14:42 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV2668BC08FE2B5FC0E4F394BBA20@phx.gbl>

  Howdy all from Montana.
Up for auction are three muscial CD's, NIB, by "The Ringling Five"...a local 
group that sings it like it is.  They tour the NW and put on quite a show.

  If you like good ole $hit-kickin' down home on the ranch, Norsky, cattle, 
sheep, dogs, and such, then you'll like these.  Family oriented so your 
little ole iron buddy can join in.

My way of thanking you all and especially Spencer for helping me out this 
last year.

Ya'all have a good holiday season...Bid High, Bid often.  Items up for 
auction can be seen at:

http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity

RickinMt.
PS: only two show up on the auction block so far.  Will keep an eye on it.


http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Dec 19 17:51:12 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 12:51:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] People with deep pockets
In-Reply-To: <1103491781.41c5f2c55a153@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <200412201751.iBKHp5xP066478@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi Arnie,
	I have nothing against collecting original paperwork. I have
original catalogues and handbooks for many of my engines (and paid well for
some of them). I quite willingly make copies for people who require them but
will those who have paid extreme amounts be as willing to make copies?

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----

BTW, Patrick, I really like to own original paper for all of the engines
that I
own.  As Tommy pointed out, the paper is less durable and is often MUCH
harder
to find than the engine.  For example, I've yet to see ANY paper on the
Robertsonville engines built in Canada.  So, on occasion, I've paid big bux
for
"just paper."  But the paper gives me almost as much pleasure as the old
iron
itself.  Each to their own I guess....

See ya,  Arnie





From b2 at chooka.net  Mon Dec 20 12:59:43 2004
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:59:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] JD Magneto
References: <01ad01c4e6b2$5c203bc0$6501a8c0@Shop>
Message-ID: <005c01c4e6d6$d4f14cf0$660a0a0a@apluscomputer.local>

Deere used quite a variety of mag's over the years, if you want to fix yours 
up all original.  Those before 130700 were base mount and I think 
interchangeable, and those after were flange mount.  Wico AP and C base 
mount were often used on the earlier D's as replacement mags.
D 30400-81069 Dixie 246C

D 81070-94700 Splitdorf 246T

D 94701-94800 FBM R2

D 94801-94900 Eisemann GV2Q

D 94901-130699 Splitdorf 246T

D 130700-143569 ES CD Spec 010

D 143800-152707 ES CD

D 152708-153208 Wico C

D 153209-155599 ES CD

D 155600-155999 Wico C

D 1560000-187102 ES CD

D 187103-191670 Wico X

B?
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:38 AM
Subject: [SEL] JD Magneto


Anyone know what model an original wyco mag was on JD D's? I'm contemplating 
getting an early steel wheeled one.

Dave
_______________________________________________
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Dec 20 13:38:40 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:38:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] People with deep pockets
In-Reply-To: <200412201751.iBKHp5xP066478@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200412201751.iBKHp5xP066478@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412201630250.76521@vegeta.city-net.com>

G'day Patrick,

I think the answer to that question is highly individual.  Some folks who
buy the paper as an "investment" probably wouldn't want to copy it for
fear of "diluting" the value of their invenstment by having copies of the
info "out there."  Others, like you and I, buy the literature because of
some connection to the hobby.  And sharing information is another
important part of the hobby.

I'd wager that the same two types of thinking also applies to loaning out
parts of engines so that copies can be made.  I'm sure there are some out
there who would never consider loaning out a part.  Happily I know folks
who would consider nothing less.

So again I think it boils down to individuals; some share and some don't.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

> 	I have nothing against collecting original paperwork. I have
> original catalogues and handbooks for many of my engines (and paid well for
> some of them). I quite willingly make copies for people who require them but
> will those who have paid extreme amounts be as willing to make copies?


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Dec 20 14:18:17 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:18:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction
Message-ID: <20041220.141817.900.5.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
How long does it take for the item to appear after I sent it in?  When I
hit preview it took a long time to do anything, so I went on to something
else.  When I went back there was some message that didn't make any
sense.  Probably it didn't go through.  Any advise?  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Dec 20 14:39:15 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:39:15 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction second try
Message-ID: <20041220.143915.900.7.rdhaskell@juno.com>

I tried posting the item for sale again.  When I hit review it took a
long time again.  The reply was:
Short Read: wanted 8292, got 2920 
What is next?

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

From garyepps at fidnet.com  Mon Dec 20 15:02:10 2004
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:02:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] JD Magneto
In-Reply-To: <01ad01c4e6b2$5c203bc0$6501a8c0@Shop>
References: <01ad01c4e6b2$5c203bc0$6501a8c0@Shop>
Message-ID: <41C759F2.9070900@fidnet.com>

  Most JD "D"s use an Edison-Splitdorf.  A Wico C was used on tractors 
numbered 152708-155999.  These would be tractors from late 1941 through 
early 1944.  A  Wico X was used on tactors numbered 35309-130699 years 
1926-1936 and on tractors numbered   187102-     these would from about 
the third quarter of 1949 through the  end of production.

Hope this helps.

Gary

Dave Ernst wrote:
> Anyone know what model an original wyco mag was on JD D's? I'm contemplating getting an early steel wheeled one.
> 
> Dave
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> 
> 
> 

-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Dec 20 15:42:48 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:42:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness
Message-ID: <DB3D1254-52E0-11D9-B2E3-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

The other night I posted a pic Jennifer took of her mom in the 
groundhog hat I bought her last year for Groundhog Day:
http://oldengine.org/members/culp/Eeee!.jpg

So, in fairness: Here's a pic of me shot by my daughter the other night:
http://oldengine.org/members/culp/santa.jpg

Here's a pic of the photographer posing with her mom:
http://oldengine.org/members/culp/red_&_green.jpg

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Mon Dec 20 16:46:03 2004
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:46:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction second try
In-Reply-To: <20041220.143915.900.7.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20041221004603.87558.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com>

Ron

I had the same problem when I tried posting an item.  I resolved it by
hosting the picture on my area on the oldengine.org site and linking the
picture instead of having oldiron auction host it.  Looks like there is a
problem in uploading the picture.  To get around it, you need to either
not put a picture in the auction or host it on another site and link to
it.

Steve
--- rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
I tried posting the item for sale again.  When I hit review it took a
long time again.  The reply was:
Short Read: wanted 8292, got 2920 
What is next?

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Mon Dec 20 19:02:13 2004
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:02:13 -0600
Subject: [SEL] People with deep pockets
Message-ID: <000601c4e709$7bf9b1e0$f4680b42@gnarmstrong>

And Arnie some of us are very glad that  people are around that will share
parts and literature such as you.  You've helped me and I sure appreciate
it.      George
-----Original Message-----
From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, December 20, 2004 5:50 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] People with deep pockets


>G'day Patrick,
>
>I think the answer to that question is highly individual.  Some folks who
>buy the paper as an "investment" probably wouldn't want to copy it for
>fear of "diluting" the value of their invenstment by having copies of the
>info "out there."  Others, like you and I, buy the literature because of
>some connection to the hobby.  And sharing information is another
>important part of the hobby.
>
>I'd wager that the same two types of thinking also applies to loaning out
>parts of engines so that copies can be made.  I'm sure there are some out
>there who would never consider loaning out a part.  Happily I know folks
>who would consider nothing less.
>
>So again I think it boils down to individuals; some share and some don't.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:
>
>> I have nothing against collecting original paperwork. I have
>> original catalogues and handbooks for many of my engines (and paid well
for
>> some of them). I quite willingly make copies for people who require them
but
>> will those who have paid extreme amounts be as willing to make copies?
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Mon Dec 20 19:06:13 2004
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:06:13 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness
Message-ID: <000f01c4e70a$086bfac0$f4680b42@gnarmstrong>

One handsome devil but I wouldn't buy a used car from him.            George
-----Original Message-----
From: John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, December 20, 2004 8:00 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness


>The other night I posted a pic Jennifer took of her mom in the 
>groundhog hat I bought her last year for Groundhog Day:
>http://oldengine.org/members/culp/Eeee!.jpg
>
>So, in fairness: Here's a pic of me shot by my daughter the other night:
>http://oldengine.org/members/culp/santa.jpg
>
>Here's a pic of the photographer posing with her mom:
>http://oldengine.org/members/culp/red_&_green.jpg
>
>John Culp
>Bristol, Tennessee, USA
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Mon Dec 20 19:52:10 2004
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:52:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness
References: <DB3D1254-52E0-11D9-B2E3-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <009201c4e710$72d262e0$966e8645@carolina.rr.com>

Good job John!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 6:42 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness


> The other night I posted a pic Jennifer took of her mom in the 
> groundhog hat I bought her last year for Groundhog Day:
> http://oldengine.org/members/culp/Eeee!.jpg
> 
> So, in fairness: Here's a pic of me shot by my daughter the other night:
> http://oldengine.org/members/culp/santa.jpg
> 
> Here's a pic of the photographer posing with her mom:
> http://oldengine.org/members/culp/red_&_green.jpg
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Dec 20 21:53:46 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:53:46 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter
Message-ID: <20041220.215346.900.11.rdhaskell@juno.com>

My 7 hp Economy  engine is missing the ignitor, mag and trip mechanism. 
I have a chance to buy the ignitor bracket for $150, rebuilt and
guaranteed for two years.  Is this a fair price?  Would it be better look
for one with the mag included, or find the mag by it's self and buy this
one?  Decisions, decisions.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Dec 20 23:33:06 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:33:06 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter
References: <20041220.215346.900.11.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <002001c4e72f$50043a30$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

Ron, when I was you I would buy it, it's easier to find them
apart then a complete set in one is my opinion.
For here the price is more then right.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



> My 7 hp Economy  engine is missing the ignitor, mag and trip mechanism. 
> I have a chance to buy the ignitor bracket for $150, rebuilt and
> guaranteed for two years.  Is this a fair price?  Would it be better look
> for one with the mag included, or find the mag by it's self and buy this
> one?  Decisions, decisions.  Thanks.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Dec 21 02:19:12 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:19:12 -0000
Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness
References: <DB3D1254-52E0-11D9-B2E3-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <002001c4e746$858c2de0$8c9f0952@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 11:42 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness


> The other night I posted a pic Jennifer took of her mom in the 
> groundhog hat I bought her last year for Groundhog Day:
> http://oldengine.org/members/culp/Eeee!.jpg
> So, in fairness: Here's a pic of me shot by my daughter the other night:
> http://oldengine.org/members/culp/santa.jpg
> Here's a pic of the photographer posing with her mom:
> http://oldengine.org/members/culp/red_&_green.jpg
> John Culp

Hi John, I would have kept those a secret!
You & your M in L  look like a couple 
with the children in the last picture. 8^)
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From prepair at easynet.co.uk  Tue Dec 21 02:51:26 2004
From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:51:26 +0000
Subject: [SEL] People with deep pockets
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412201630250.76521@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <200412201751.iBKHp5xP066478@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0412201630250.76521@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <5kvfs0drpf2d83ihquo85c1u0lc6qhfis9@4ax.com>

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:38:40 -0500 (EST), you wrote:

>G'day Patrick,
>
>I think the answer to that question is highly individual.  Some folks who
>buy the paper as an "investment" probably wouldn't want to copy it for
>fear of "diluting" the value of their invenstment by having copies of the
>info "out there."  Others, like you and I, buy the literature because of
>some connection to the hobby.  And sharing information is another
>important part of the hobby.
>
>I'd wager that the same two types of thinking also applies to loaning out
>parts of engines so that copies can be made.  I'm sure there are some out
>there who would never consider loaning out a part.  Happily I know folks
>who would consider nothing less.
>
>So again I think it boils down to individuals; some share and some don't.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:
>
>> 	I have nothing against collecting original paperwork. I have
>> original catalogues and handbooks for many of my engines (and paid well for
>> some of them). I quite willingly make copies for people who require them but
>> will those who have paid extreme amounts be as willing to make copies?

<soapbox)

We've been here before :-))

I have absolutely no problem with copying to help other engine guys
out, in fact I have a set of original Petter literature out with
Roland Craven at present for him to copy for his own use.

What I have always objected to is the guy or guys who copy and then
try and sell on to others as though the material is their own, that
really gets on my titties!  Paul Evans has had to take action a number
of times against ebay vendors who have ripped stuff off his site and
made up CD's to sell on ebay. That material was put there to help
others, not provide a living for rip-off merchants.

A lot of us have also had our own websites raided for pictures (Rob
Skinner was the last well-known one...) and material. It is not on
that people can 'steal' for want of a better description material that
is put in the public domain to help others out.

</soapbox>

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK
prepair at easynet.co.uk
http://www.prepair.co.uk




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Dec 21 03:21:35 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:21:35 -0000
Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness
References: <DB3D1254-52E0-11D9-B2E3-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
	<002001c4e746$858c2de0$8c9f0952@no1>
Message-ID: <000801c4e74f$3c5f7ce0$8c9f0952@no1>

Sorry John, I just re-read your post & realised
that I had totally c*cked up the identities.
The first & last pictures are both of your wife.
(the pair still look like sisters in the last picture)
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 11:42 PM
> Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness
> 
> 
> > The other night I posted a pic Jennifer took of her mom in the 
> > groundhog hat I bought her last year for Groundhog Day:
> > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/Eeee!.jpg
> > So, in fairness: Here's a pic of me shot by my daughter the other night:
> > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/santa.jpg
> > Here's a pic of the photographer posing with her mom:
> > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/red_&_green.jpg
> > John Culp
> 
> Hi John, I would have kept those a secret!
> You & your M in L  look like a couple 
> with the children in the last picture. 8^)
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From falcon at telenet.net  Tue Dec 21 04:31:19 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 07:31:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness
References: <DB3D1254-52E0-11D9-B2E3-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <007c01c4e758$f9dd8880$591117d1@net.telenet.net>

Nice pics.

Just a bit of makeup and a pair of glasses and you could easily pass for
Richard Dreyfuss.

Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY

"God grant us the serenity to accept the things we cannot change,
courage to change the things we can,and wisdom to know the difference."
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 6:42 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness


> The other night I posted a pic Jennifer took of her mom in the
> groundhog hat I bought her last year for Groundhog Day:
> http://oldengine.org/members/culp/Eeee!.jpg
>
> So, in fairness: Here's a pic of me shot by my daughter the other
night:
> http://oldengine.org/members/culp/santa.jpg
>
> Here's a pic of the photographer posing with her mom:
> http://oldengine.org/members/culp/red_&_green.jpg
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Dec 21 04:49:06 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 04:49:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter
In-Reply-To: <002001c4e72f$50043a30$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
References: <20041220.215346.900.11.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<002001c4e72f$50043a30$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <21433.165.206.180.118.1103633346.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

Buy it.........
A. it's not a terrible price
B. It's hard to find them complete with mag.....that are any good.
If the mag is good, will the ignitor be good? If the ignitor is good, will
the mag be good?
 you may be waiting a while.

Bill

> Ron, when I was you I would buy it, it's easier to find them
> apart then a complete set in one is my opinion.
> For here the price is more then right.
>
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
>
>
>
>> My 7 hp Economy  engine is missing the ignitor, mag and trip mechanism.
>> I have a chance to buy the ignitor bracket for $150, rebuilt and
>> guaranteed for two years.  Is this a fair price?  Would it be better
>> look
>> for one with the mag included, or find the mag by it's self and buy this
>> one?  Decisions, decisions.  Thanks.
>>
>> Ron Haskell
>> rdhaskell at juno.com
>> Riverside, California
>> USA
>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From shop at cccomm.net  Tue Dec 21 07:03:33 2004
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 07:03:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter
References: <20041220.215346.900.11.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <01f501c4e76e$3f6f63e0$6501a8c0@Shop>

 Ron,
For your information the 1 1/2 HP yellow Economy engine was missing all that 
stuff. It did have the pushrod, but no trip bracket. The complete set up, 
ignitor and mag rebyilt cost me right at $400.
Buy it quick.
Dave
BTW, thanks for posting those engine cart pictures, as I borrowed some of 
your ideas. Hope they weren't copyrighted!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 9:53 PM
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter


> My 7 hp Economy  engine is missing the ignitor, mag and trip mechanism.
> I have a chance to buy the ignitor bracket for $150, rebuilt and
> guaranteed for two years.  Is this a fair price?  Would it be better look
> for one with the mag included, or find the mag by it's self and buy this
> one?  Decisions, decisions.  Thanks.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Tue Dec 21 07:39:05 2004
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:39:05 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter
References: <20041220.215346.900.11.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<002001c4e72f$50043a30$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
	<21433.165.206.180.118.1103633346.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <003d01c4e773$344ddd70$3775833e@harryp1811>

Buy it......
I think it's not very difficult to find a Webster magneto.
IMO it's much more difficult to find the bracket/ignitor that will fityour
engine!
Remember they made maybe hunderds of different brackets, but only a few
differents mags!

But you can of course always make (or buy) a igniter with a battery / coil.
IMO the best system there is.


Harry Terpstra
Sint Annaparochie
Netherlands
h.terpstra at wxs.nl
http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html



----- Original Message -----
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy igniter


> Buy it.........
> A. it's not a terrible price
> B. It's hard to find them complete with mag.....that are any good.
> If the mag is good, will the ignitor be good? If the ignitor is good, will
> the mag be good?
>  you may be waiting a while.
>
> Bill
>
> > Ron, when I was you I would buy it, it's easier to find them
> > apart then a complete set in one is my opinion.
> > For here the price is more then right.
> >
> > John Hammink
> > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
> >
> >
> >
> >> My 7 hp Economy  engine is missing the ignitor, mag and trip mechanism.
> >> I have a chance to buy the ignitor bracket for $150, rebuilt and
> >> guaranteed for two years.  Is this a fair price?  Would it be better
> >> look
> >> for one with the mag included, or find the mag by it's self and buy
this
> >> one?  Decisions, decisions.  Thanks.
> >>
> >> Ron Haskell
> >> rdhaskell at juno.com
> >> Riverside, California
> >> USA
> >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Dec 21 08:30:44 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:30:44 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter follow up
Message-ID: <20041221.083044.1144.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>


Thanks to all who responded.  I will purchase the bracket if it is still
available.  Now i need a trip mechanism, #303K26A.  Does anyone have one
for sale, or one I could borrow to reproduce?

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Dec 21 08:54:38 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:54:38 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter
Message-ID: <20041221.085439.1144.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Dave.  I am glad you could use some ideas from the cart pictures. 
Modifications will be needed depending on the equipment available to you.
 
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 07:03:33 -0800 "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net> writes:
>  Ron,
............................................
> Dave
> BTW, thanks for posting those engine cart pictures, as I borrowed 
> some of 
> your ideas. Hope they weren't copyrighted!


From falcon at telenet.net  Tue Dec 21 09:05:01 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:05:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness
References: <DB3D1254-52E0-11D9-B2E3-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
	<007c01c4e758$f9dd8880$591117d1@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <025b01c4e77f$360cfc20$591117d1@net.telenet.net>

Should say different glasses, RDs are those round "fashion" types.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness


> Nice pics.
>
> Just a bit of makeup and a pair of glasses and you could easily pass
for
> Richard Dreyfuss.
>
> Steve Williams
> Near Cooperstown NY
>
> "God grant us the serenity to accept the things we cannot change,
> courage to change the things we can,and wisdom to know the
difference."
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 6:42 PM
> Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness
>
>
> > The other night I posted a pic Jennifer took of her mom in the
> > groundhog hat I bought her last year for Groundhog Day:
> > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/Eeee!.jpg
> >
> > So, in fairness: Here's a pic of me shot by my daughter the other
> night:
> > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/santa.jpg
> >
> > Here's a pic of the photographer posing with her mom:
> > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/red_&_green.jpg
> >
> > John Culp
> > Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Dec 21 10:30:16 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:30:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter
In-Reply-To: <20041220.215346.900.11.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20041220.215346.900.11.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041221132629.0242cff0@mail.alltel.net>

At 12:53 AM 12/21/2004, you wrote:
>My 7 hp Economy  engine is missing the ignitor, mag and trip mechanism.
>I have a chance to buy the ignitor bracket for $150, rebuilt and
>guaranteed for two years.  Is this a fair price?  Would it be better look
>for one with the mag included, or find the mag by it's self and buy this
>one?  Decisions, decisions.  Thanks.
>Ron Haskell

Hi Ron, I'd buy it if I were you. It's not underpriced, but is a fair 
price. The Webster mag (w/either 2 or 3 magnets) will set you back another 
$250.00, or so.
         Dave
PS, I think that I'm correct in saying that from the 5 HP up the ignitors 
for the Herculese built engines were all the same were all the same. Think 
the mags were as well. 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Dec 21 11:38:19 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:38:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412211435200.85439@vegeta.city-net.com>

At LAST the Winter Solstice is here!!  The days are now getting longer and
Portland 2005 is getting closer!!  8-)))

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Dancing naked in the moonlight is appropriate.  8->>

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Dec 21 12:37:54 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:37:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter/Wico question
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041221132629.0242cff0@mail.alltel.net>
References: <20041220.215346.900.11.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041221132629.0242cff0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <41C889A2.4010906@imc-group.com>

Dave,
Since we are on the subject of mags for Herc's......is the bracket the 
same whether a PR or EK (Wico's) is mounted to the bracket?
Yes I realize we were discussing Webster brackets & ignitors, but it 
just crossed my mind to wonder about the Wico's.
Ron, I'm assuming you've done the s/n research and know your engine is 
supposed to have the Webster setup and not the Wico setup???
Curt


> At 12:53 AM 12/21/2004, you wrote:
>
>> My 7 hp Economy  engine is missing the ignitor, mag and trip mechanism.
>> I have a chance to buy the ignitor bracket for $150, rebuilt and
>> guaranteed for two years.  Is this a fair price?  Would it be better 
>> look
>> for one with the mag included, or find the mag by it's self and buy this
>> one?  Decisions, decisions.  Thanks.
>> Ron Haskell
>
>
> Hi Ron, I'd buy it if I were you. It's not underpriced, but is a fair 
> price. The Webster mag (w/either 2 or 3 magnets) will set you back 
> another $250.00, or so.
>         Dave
> PS, I think that I'm correct in saying that from the 5 HP up the 
> ignitors for the Herculese built engines were all the same were all 
> the same. Think the mags were as well.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Tue Dec 21 12:36:48 2004
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:36:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter follow up
References: <20041221.083044.1144.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <03ed01c4e79c$ce027b00$0301a8c0@ALEC>

Yeah, they are plentiful, If you buy the mag and bracket/ign. they are
included in the price and 2 yr guar. of $450. but as you are buying only the
mag I think they are selling for $140. US.. Hope that helps,
Merry Christmas

Alec J. Stevens
Investment Specialist
80 Leighton Road, Suite C
Falmouth, ME 04105
(800)842-6669
(207)797-5169
(207)797-2819
----- Original Message -----
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 11:30 AM
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter follow up


>
> Thanks to all who responded.  I will purchase the bracket if it is still
> available.  Now i need a trip mechanism, #303K26A.  Does anyone have one
> for sale, or one I could borrow to reproduce?
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Dec 21 13:00:40 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:00:40 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: I have what you want.
Message-ID: <20041221.130040.284.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Message to Alec Stevens:  please send a couple of pictures.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

From nick at holden1.net  Tue Dec 21 13:09:04 2004
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 21:09:04 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] Christmas
Message-ID: <41C890F0.000003.02340@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Hi 
    Happy Christmas to all on the list
                                    nick

From marvhed at ecenet.com  Tue Dec 21 13:41:50 2004
From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:41:50 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412211435200.85439@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412211435200.85439@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <46658.199.62.0.252.1103665310.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>

with a wind chill of -28F, i'll let you do that!!
i'm staying in by the fire :-))

marv in minn

>
> PS - Dancing naked in the moonlight is appropriate.  8->>
>
> Arnie Fero



From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Dec 21 14:09:04 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:09:04 EST
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter follow up
Message-ID: <1f0.31a0617b.2ef9f900@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/21/2004 2:19:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rdhaskell at juno.com writes:

<< Now i need a trip mechanism, #303K26A. >>

Ron,

I believe Hit and Miss or Starbolt handles all of the pieces for the trip 
mechanisms and springs.  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Tue Dec 21 15:10:00 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 00:10:00 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter/Wico question
References: <20041220.215346.900.11.rdhaskell@juno.com><6.1.2.0.0.20041221132629.0242cff0@mail.alltel.net>
	<41C889A2.4010906@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <000701c4e7b2$326792a0$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

Sorry Curt, Wico's have nothing to do with ignitors.

John H.



> Since we are on the subject of mags for Herc's......is the bracket the 
> same whether a PR or EK (Wico's) is mounted to the bracket?
> Yes I realize we were discussing Webster brackets & ignitors, but it 
> just crossed my mind to wonder about the Wico's.
> Ron, I'm assuming you've done the s/n research and know your engine is 
> supposed to have the Webster setup and not the Wico setup???
> Curt




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Tue Dec 21 16:05:49 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 01:05:49 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Wishing you...
Message-ID: <005201c4e7b9$fec4e8a0$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/MXmas.gif


John & Ria Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Dec 21 16:41:05 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:41:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412211435200.85439@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412211435200.85439@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <29BF4618-53B2-11D9-9BF8-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> PS - Dancing naked in the moonlight is appropriate.  8->>

You first, Arnie!

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Dec 21 17:24:41 2004
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:24:41 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter
In-Reply-To: <20041220.215346.900.11.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200412220124.iBM1Ot39024489@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Ron, Don't buy anything before you send me your phone # Cya,Jimmy O'

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
rdhaskell at juno.com
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 9:54 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter

My 7 hp Economy  engine is missing the ignitor, mag and trip mechanism. 
I have a chance to buy the ignitor bracket for $150, rebuilt and
guaranteed for two years.  Is this a fair price?  Would it be better look
for one with the mag included, or find the mag by it's self and buy this
one?  Decisions, decisions.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From old_iron at msn.com  Tue Dec 21 17:57:57 2004
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:57:57 -0600
Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412211435200.85439@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY4-F4B8656C4A37C32A8E1B64E7A40@phx.gbl>

Below zero wind chills not condusive to this behavor (however Balatine it 
would be OK).

;-}

Peg

PS: in case you know know about this Pagon rite, it is the night before May 
1st or May Day.

>From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: Stationary Engine List <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,        Old 
>Engine <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner
>Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:38:19 -0500 (EST)
>
>At LAST the Winter Solstice is here!!  The days are now getting longer and
>Portland 2005 is getting closer!!  8-)))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>PS - Dancing naked in the moonlight is appropriate.  8->>
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>_______________________________________________
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Dec 21 19:02:44 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:02:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner
In-Reply-To: <BAY4-F4B8656C4A37C32A8E1B64E7A40@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY4-F4B8656C4A37C32A8E1B64E7A40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F37FD701-53C5-11D9-8FAA-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> PS: in case you know know about this Pagon rite, it is the night 
> before May 1st or May Day.

If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't be alarmed, now.
It's just a spring clean for the May Queen.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Dec 21 19:21:14 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:21:14 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter
Message-ID: <20041221.192114.284.9.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Jim.
951-678-6667

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:24:41 -0800 "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
writes:
> Ron, Don't buy anything before you send me your phone # Cya,Jimmy O'
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
>


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Dec 21 19:24:33 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:24:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter/Wico question
Message-ID: <20041221.192433.284.10.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Curt.
Glenn Klarch gave me the information on the parts I needed.  Can't get
better information than that!!
Good parts are on order <VBG>

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:37:54 -0500 Curt <curt at imc-group.com> writes:
> Dave,
> Since we are on the subject of mags for Herc's......is the bracket 
> the 
> same whether a PR or EK (Wico's) is mounted to the bracket?
> Yes I realize we were discussing Webster brackets & ignitors, but it 
> 
> just crossed my mind to wonder about the Wico's.
> Ron, I'm assuming you've done the s/n research and know your engine 
> is 
> supposed to have the Webster setup and not the Wico setup???
> Curt


From glenn.karch at gte.net  Tue Dec 21 19:30:01 2004
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 21:30:01 -0600
Subject: [SEL] WICO PR and EK
Message-ID: <004d01c4e7d6$87fdeec0$b329ea41@oemcomputer>

Curt and others,

On Hercules built engines, the WICO EK and PR magnetos use the same bracket,
but the trip rocker is different because the PR has an internal return
spring and the EK has an external return spring on the trip rocker.

The Hercules built model E engines use the Webster K on the 2 1/2-3 and 5 HP
engines and the Webster L on the 7, 9 and 12 HP sizes and both mags fit the
303K26 bracket and use the same trip mechanism.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Dec 21 20:14:46 2004
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:14:46 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter
In-Reply-To: <20041221.192114.284.9.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200412220414.iBM4Eo8o008464@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi Ron I just tried the # and no answer. I'll try again. Jimmy 415 892 0236 

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
rdhaskell at juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 7:21 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy igniter

Hi Jim.
951-678-6667

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:24:41 -0800 "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
writes:
> Ron, Don't buy anything before you send me your phone # Cya,Jimmy O'
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Dec 21 20:17:12 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:17:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner
In-Reply-To: <F37FD701-53C5-11D9-8FAA-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <200412220417.iBM4HH0Y009385@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Led Zeplin..................Stairway to Heaven



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 9:03 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner

> PS: in case you know know about this Pagon rite, it is the night 
> before May 1st or May Day.

If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't be alarmed, now.
It's just a spring clean for the May Queen.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA

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From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Dec 22 05:13:04 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:13:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter/Wico question
In-Reply-To: <000701c4e7b2$326792a0$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
References: <20041220.215346.900.11.rdhaskell@juno.com><6.1.2.0.0.20041221132629.0242cff0@mail.alltel.net>	<41C889A2.4010906@imc-group.com>
	<000701c4e7b2$326792a0$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <41C972E0.50803@imc-group.com>

Yes John I realize that, which is why I changed the subject line. I have 
Hercs with Websters, EK's, and PR's on them.
Just trying to keep the engine content up and running.
Thank you Glenn for your usually concise answers.
Is it correct to say that the use of Websters was absolutely 
discontinued at the conclusion of the Model E run? No using up of parts 
at the beginning of the next model?
Curt

John Hammink wrote:

>Sorry Curt, Wico's have nothing to do with ignitors.
>
>John H.
>
>
>
>  
>
>>Since we are on the subject of mags for Herc's......is the bracket the 
>>same whether a PR or EK (Wico's) is mounted to the bracket?
>>Yes I realize we were discussing Webster brackets & ignitors, but it 
>>just crossed my mind to wonder about the Wico's.
>>Ron, I'm assuming you've done the s/n research and know your engine is 
>>supposed to have the Webster setup and not the Wico setup???
>>Curt
>>    
>>
>
>
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>
>
>  
>



From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Dec 22 05:57:46 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:57:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter/Wico question
In-Reply-To: <41C972E0.50803@imc-group.com>
References: <20041220.215346.900.11.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041221132629.0242cff0@mail.alltel.net>
	<41C889A2.4010906@imc-group.com>
	<000701c4e7b2$326792a0$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
	<41C972E0.50803@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041222084922.023b06b0@mail.alltel.net>

At 08:13 AM 12/22/2004, you wrote:
>Yes John I realize that, which is why I changed the subject line. I have 
>Hercs with Websters, EK's, and PR's on them.
>Just trying to keep the engine content up and running.
>Thank you Glenn for your usually concise answers.
>Is it correct to say that the use of Websters was absolutely discontinued 
>at the conclusion of the Model E run? No using up of parts at the 
>beginning of the next model?
>Curt

Hi Curt,
         The Model F Hercules used a Webster mag also. It was the Model 1A 
or the 2C. The 1A/2C mag took a different bracket than did the mags on the 
E. Karch also shows what appears to be an F with a WICO on it (p. 28 figure 
8) but that may have been a retro-fit. By the time the FW was produced the 
WICO was standard.  (All this is from Glenn's book.)
         Dave 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Dec 22 06:53:04 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:53:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)
In-Reply-To: <BAY4-F4B8656C4A37C32A8E1B64E7A40@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY4-F4B8656C4A37C32A8E1B64E7A40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412220933270.94435@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Peg,

Well, Beltane is definitely on my "occasions to dance naked in the
moonlight" calandar.  8->>>

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5202/mayday.htm
http://www.spiritualitea.com/sabbats/mayday.shtml
http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art19730.asp

And I've even learned WHY one dances naked.  8->>

By Celtic reckoning, the actual Beltane celebration begins on sundown of
the preceding day, April 30, because the Celts always figured their days
from sundown to sundown. And sundown was the proper time for Druids to
kindle the great Bel-fires on the tops of the nearest beacon hill (such as
Tara Hill, Co. Meath, in Ireland). These 'need-fires' had healing
properties, and sky-clad Witches would jump through the flames to ensure
protection.

Sgt. Howie (shocked): 'But they are naked!'
Lord Summerisle: 'Naturally. It's much too dangerous to jump through the
fire with your clothes on!'

So now you know...  8-)))

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote:

> Below zero wind chills not condusive to this behavor (however Balatine it
> would be OK).
>
> PS: in case you know know about this Pagon rite, it is the night before May
> 1st or May Day.



From clemsweller at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 22 14:44:43 2004
From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:44:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412220933270.94435@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001001c4e877$d89ebb10$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>

Hey Arnie,

If you are going to dance naked, I would suguest doing it before this
storm gets to you.  We have 14" of snow on the ground in SE Indiana as I
write this with a potential of another 10" tonight and tomorrow morning,
then the temps are going to -8 degrees.  I would recommend you dance
tonight if you are going to do it this week.

Merry Christmas to all!

Chuck Emsweller

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 9:53 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: RE: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)

Hi Peg,

Well, Beltane is definitely on my "occasions to dance naked in the
moonlight" calandar.  8->>>

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5202/mayday.htm
http://www.spiritualitea.com/sabbats/mayday.shtml
http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art19730.asp

And I've even learned WHY one dances naked.  8->>

By Celtic reckoning, the actual Beltane celebration begins on sundown of
the preceding day, April 30, because the Celts always figured their days
from sundown to sundown. And sundown was the proper time for Druids to
kindle the great Bel-fires on the tops of the nearest beacon hill (such
as
Tara Hill, Co. Meath, in Ireland). These 'need-fires' had healing
properties, and sky-clad Witches would jump through the flames to ensure
protection.

Sgt. Howie (shocked): 'But they are naked!'
Lord Summerisle: 'Naturally. It's much too dangerous to jump through the
fire with your clothes on!'

So now you know...  8-)))

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote:

> Below zero wind chills not condusive to this behavor (however Balatine
it
> would be OK).
>
> PS: in case you know know about this Pagon rite, it is the night
before May
> 1st or May Day.

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From shop at cccomm.net  Wed Dec 22 15:02:06 2004
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:02:06 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter/Wico question
References: <20041220.215346.900.11.rdhaskell@juno.com><6.1.2.0.0.20041221132629.0242cff0@mail.alltel.net>
	<41C889A2.4010906@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <028c01c4e87a$44345130$6501a8c0@Shop>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy igniter/Wico question


> Dave,
> Since we are on the subject of mags for Herc's......is the bracket the 
> same whether a PR or EK (Wico's) is mounted to the bracket?
> Yes I realize we were discussing Webster brackets & ignitors, but it just 
> crossed my mind to wonder about the Wico's.
> Ron, I'm assuming you've done the s/n research and know your engine is 
> supposed to have the Webster setup and not the Wico setup???
> Curt
Boy, the only person that can answer that question with certantity is Ted 
Brookover.
An EK is side mount, my Wico book doesn't indicate they made a PR, but the 
Webster is bottom mounted.
Give Ted a shout.
Dave 




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Dec 22 15:46:08 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:46:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412220933270.94435@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <BAY4-F4B8656C4A37C32A8E1B64E7A40@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0412220933270.94435@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <A6E15000-5473-11D9-8300-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Probably worked better than a bikini wax.

On Dec 22, 2004, at 9:53 AM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> And I've even learned WHY one dances naked.  8->>

> 'Naturally. It's much too dangerous to jump through the
> fire with your clothes on!'


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From rwenig at telus.net  Wed Dec 22 16:13:04 2004
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:13:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Voltage regulator wanted
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412220933270.94435@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <BAY4-F4B8656C4A37C32A8E1B64E7A40@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0412220933270.94435@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <41CA0D90.4090904@telus.net>

Hello List,
	I have an Onan Microlite model 2.8kw-FA/26100A genset that is in need 
of a voltage regulator. I am wondering if any one has a serviceable used 
one in their archives they would be willing to part with. Contact me off 
list if you prefer at rwenig at telus.net.

Rupert



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Dec 22 17:36:16 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:36:16 EST
Subject: [SEL] IHC LB Valves 
Message-ID: <74.49a78bfa.2efb7b10@aol.com>

Has anyone installed replacement valves in a IHC LB using non  standard 
parts?  The valves are 3 5/8" long, with a stem diameter of  5/16th, one valve head 
is 1?" in diameter, and the other is 1 3/16" in  diameter.  The original 
valves use a pin to retain the spring  assembly.  There has some discussion in the 
past about using non original  valves by reworking newer valves.  Any 
suggestions on what valves to  use?  If using a non original valve, how is the pin 
hole drilled in  the stem?  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Dec 22 19:26:36 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:26:36 -0800
Subject: [SEL] IHC LB Valves
Message-ID: <20041222.192637.820.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Francis.
I have used automotive valves in LBs.  Can't remember exactly what they
came out of, possibly small block Chevy.  Cut to rough length with cut
off disc in a Dremel.  Then finished to length on a valve grinder.  Drill
the hole with a solid carbide die drill.  Works great and was free.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:36:16 EST FRM8198 at aol.com writes:
> Has anyone installed replacement valves in a IHC LB using non  
> standard 
> parts?  The valves are 3 5/8" long, with a stem diameter of  5/16th, 
> one valve head 
> is 1?" in diameter, and the other is 1 3/16" in  diameter.  The 
> original 
> valves use a pin to retain the spring  assembly.  There has some 
> discussion in the 
> past about using non original  valves by reworking newer valves.  
> Any 
> suggestions on what valves to  use?  If using a non original valve, 
> how is the pin 
> hole drilled in  the stem?  
> 
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>


From jbcast at charter.net  Wed Dec 22 19:33:08 2004
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 3:33:08 +0000
Subject: [SEL] IHC LB Valves
Message-ID: <3khdbt$f392re@mxip05a.cluster1.charter.net>


> 
> Has anyone installed replacement valves in a IHC LB using non  standard 
> parts?  The valves are 3 5/8" long, with a stem diameter of  5/16th, one valve head 
> is 1?" in diameter, and the other is 1 3/16" in  diameter.  The original 
> valves use a pin to retain the spring  assembly.  There has some discussion in the 
> past about using non original  valves by reworking newer valves.  Any 
> suggestions on what valves to  use?  If using a non original valve, how is the pin 
> hole drilled in  the stem?  
> 
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
> 
Francis, go to an automotive head shop, they usually have plenty of old valves. Imports use an 8mm stem, within .oo2" of 5/16". The stems are usually fairly easy to drill, grind a flat to get started.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Dec 22 23:23:41 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:23:41 +1100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <200412230723.iBN7NmKd065354@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

A Merry Christmas to you all!

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Wed Dec 22 23:53:26 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 07:53:26 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Voltage regulator wanted
In-Reply-To: <41CA0D90.4090904@telus.net>
References: <BAY4-F4B8656C4A37C32A8E1B64E7A40@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0412220933270.94435@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<41CA0D90.4090904@telus.net>
Message-ID: <u8uks0ptv5t3480kik0csi6be80ikdkl0i@4ax.com>

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:13:04 -0700, you wrote:

>Hello List,
>	I have an Onan Microlite model 2.8kw-FA/26100A genset that is in need 
>of a voltage regulator. I am wondering if any one has a serviceable used 
>one in their archives they would be willing to part with. Contact me off 
>list if you prefer at rwenig at telus.net.
>
>Rupert

Post a wanted ad on Harry's Sparks 'n Arcs site, there's plenty of guys with
this stuff who look on there.

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=6

Peter




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Dec 23 03:21:30 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 06:21:30 EST
Subject: [SEL] IHC LB Valves
Message-ID: <8c.1ccbe327.2efc043a@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/22/2004 7:58:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
rdhaskell at juno.com writes:

I have  used automotive valves in LBs.  Can't remember exactly what they
came  out of, possibly small block Chevy.  Cut to rough length with cut
off  disc in a Dremel.  Then finished to length on a valve grinder.   Drill
the hole with a solid carbide die drill.  Works great and was  free.


Ron,
Thanks for the information.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Dec 23 03:23:12 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 06:23:12 EST
Subject: [SEL] IHC LB Valves
Message-ID: <dd.1c72fe26.2efc04a0@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/22/2004 8:00:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
jbcast at charter.net writes:

Francis,  go to an automotive head shop, they usually have plenty of old 
valves. Imports  use an 8mm stem, within .oo2" of 5/16". The stems are usually 
fairly easy to  drill, grind a flat to get started.


J.B.,
Thanks for the tip.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Dec 23 03:26:51 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 06:26:51 EST
Subject: [SEL] IHC LA/LB Question
Message-ID: <14.3b3ea227.2efc057b@aol.com>

 
Does anyone know if International LA/ LB heads are  interchangeable?  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA




From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us  Thu Dec 23 06:47:00 2004
From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:47:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] SIAM
Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70312168E@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>

I hope the guys in southern Indiana put up pictures. I'd like to see how
a 6-horse, Herc powered snow blower works. 

Bruce Younger
Lenexa, Kansas USA
mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com
 

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From marvhed at ecenet.com  Thu Dec 23 07:35:29 2004
From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:35:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] otto serial no. list
In-Reply-To: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70312168E@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>
References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70312168E@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>
Message-ID: <53539.199.62.0.252.1103816129.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>

does anyone have a list for determining the year of mfg by serial number
for the Otto engines?

i don't have a wendel's note book.

thanks,
marv in chilly minnesota
Merry Christmas!


From BillMil357 at aol.com  Thu Dec 23 08:43:17 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:43:17 EST
Subject: [SEL] Seasons Greetings
Message-ID: <d7.1c7de241.2efc4fa5@aol.com>

Merry Christmas to everyone on the SEL.
 
Bill & Roberta Miller. 


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Dec 22 23:46:06 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:46:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)
References: <001001c4e877$d89ebb10$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>
Message-ID: <000301c4e924$f1783d20$36111bd3@athlon>

He could come here and join us in the dancing.  The temp is just perfect for
that sort of thing!!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message -----
From: "chuck emsweller" <clemsweller at earthlink.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 9:44 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)


> Hey Arnie,
>
> If you are going to dance naked, I would suguest doing it before this
> storm gets to you.  We have 14" of snow on the ground in SE Indiana as I
> write this with a potential of another 10" tonight and tomorrow morning,
> then the temps are going to -8 degrees.  I would recommend you dance
> tonight if you are going to do it this week.
>
> Merry Christmas to all!
>
> Chuck Emsweller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 9:53 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: RE: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)
>
> Hi Peg,
>
> Well, Beltane is definitely on my "occasions to dance naked in the
> moonlight" calandar.  8->>>
>
> http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5202/mayday.htm
> http://www.spiritualitea.com/sabbats/mayday.shtml
> http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art19730.asp
>
> And I've even learned WHY one dances naked.  8->>
>
> By Celtic reckoning, the actual Beltane celebration begins on sundown of
> the preceding day, April 30, because the Celts always figured their days
> from sundown to sundown. And sundown was the proper time for Druids to
> kindle the great Bel-fires on the tops of the nearest beacon hill (such
> as
> Tara Hill, Co. Meath, in Ireland). These 'need-fires' had healing
> properties, and sky-clad Witches would jump through the flames to ensure
> protection.
>
> Sgt. Howie (shocked): 'But they are naked!'
> Lord Summerisle: 'Naturally. It's much too dangerous to jump through the
> fire with your clothes on!'
>
> So now you know...  8-)))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote:
>
> > Below zero wind chills not condusive to this behavor (however Balatine
> it
> > would be OK).
> >
> > PS: in case you know know about this Pagon rite, it is the night
> before May
> > 1st or May Day.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From WinkAndGinger at aol.com  Thu Dec 23 11:36:53 2004
From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:36:53 EST
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas!
Message-ID: <1cd.2ddb9772.2efc7855@aol.com>

Hi Folks,
We normally just lurk back here in the shadows soaking up a wealth of 
knowledge.
  (....just can't remember where we put it!).  But today we're coming out of 
the shadows to say......Merry Christmas to all!!

Wink & Ginger Thornton, 
Yucca Valley Ca., USA
KG6TVW, KG6TVV
The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=


From clemsweller at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 23 13:30:23 2004
From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 16:30:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)
In-Reply-To: <000301c4e924$f1783d20$36111bd3@athlon>
Message-ID: <000801c4e936$a4134a90$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>

We ended up with 24" of snow here in SE Indiana!  Just got done digging
out the drive.  Been at it since 9:00 this morning.  Temp is 21 right
now, but supposed to be 0 by tomorrow.  Come on spring time.....

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Reg &
Margaret Ingold
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 2:46 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)

He could come here and join us in the dancing.  The temp is just perfect
for
that sort of thing!!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message -----
From: "chuck emsweller" <clemsweller at earthlink.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 9:44 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)


> Hey Arnie,
>
> If you are going to dance naked, I would suguest doing it before this
> storm gets to you.  We have 14" of snow on the ground in SE Indiana as
I
> write this with a potential of another 10" tonight and tomorrow
morning,
> then the temps are going to -8 degrees.  I would recommend you dance
> tonight if you are going to do it this week.
>
> Merry Christmas to all!
>
> Chuck Emsweller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie
Fero
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 9:53 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: RE: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)
>
> Hi Peg,
>
> Well, Beltane is definitely on my "occasions to dance naked in the
> moonlight" calandar.  8->>>
>
> http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5202/mayday.htm
> http://www.spiritualitea.com/sabbats/mayday.shtml
> http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art19730.asp
>
> And I've even learned WHY one dances naked.  8->>
>
> By Celtic reckoning, the actual Beltane celebration begins on sundown
of
> the preceding day, April 30, because the Celts always figured their
days
> from sundown to sundown. And sundown was the proper time for Druids to
> kindle the great Bel-fires on the tops of the nearest beacon hill
(such
> as
> Tara Hill, Co. Meath, in Ireland). These 'need-fires' had healing
> properties, and sky-clad Witches would jump through the flames to
ensure
> protection.
>
> Sgt. Howie (shocked): 'But they are naked!'
> Lord Summerisle: 'Naturally. It's much too dangerous to jump through
the
> fire with your clothes on!'
>
> So now you know...  8-)))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote:
>
> > Below zero wind chills not condusive to this behavor (however
Balatine
> it
> > would be OK).
> >
> > PS: in case you know know about this Pagon rite, it is the night
> before May
> > 1st or May Day.
>
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec 23 17:49:47 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:49:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)
In-Reply-To: <000301c4e924$f1783d20$36111bd3@athlon>
References: <001001c4e877$d89ebb10$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>
	<000301c4e924$f1783d20$36111bd3@athlon>
Message-ID: <17662C7A-554E-11D9-AC11-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

So, you've been checking it with your temperature probe, Reg?

On Dec 23, 2004, at 2:46 AM, Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote:

> He could come here and join us in the dancing.  The temp is just 
> perfect for
> that sort of thing!!!


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From old_iron at msn.com  Thu Dec 23 21:05:33 2004
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:05:33 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas!
In-Reply-To: <1cd.2ddb9772.2efc7855@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY4-F119077EE707B1169A33861E7A60@phx.gbl>

Ho, Ho Merry Christmas!

Hope you have all finished your shopping (I punched out of Kohl's last night 
at 1:26 AM), we still had people in the store at 12:30 and we closed at 
12:00.  Today was the last day of 7 AM to Midnight.  Tomorrow we are open 7 
AM to 6 PM, I get to close tomorrow night.  Then we are closed on Christmas 
one of the 3 days a year Kohl's is closed.

Sunday is a full moon and the real fun will start all the RETURNS! and since 
I am Customer Service Area Supervisor, guess what fun I will have for the 
next 10 days!!

Happy Holidays to all, and remember to re-gift rather than return!

XOXOXOX
To the entire SEL.

Peg Pfeiffer

SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Dec 24 00:11:51 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:11:51 +1100
Subject: [SEL] from us to you
Message-ID: <005701c4e992$e62fb600$6a0d1bd3@athlon>

Wherever and whoever. We both wish you the best for Christmas and the New
Year.  Have a ball! We intend to.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Dec 24 00:36:57 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:36:57 +1100
Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)
References: <001001c4e877$d89ebb10$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><000301c4e924$f1783d20$36111bd3@athlon>
	<17662C7A-554E-11D9-AC11-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <008901c4e993$be4258e0$6a0d1bd3@athlon>

Didnt need to. Too hot for that!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)


> So, you've been checking it with your temperature probe, Reg?
> 
> On Dec 23, 2004, at 2:46 AM, Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote:
> 
> > He could come here and join us in the dancing.  The temp is just 
> > perfect for
> > that sort of thing!!!
> 
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> 
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Fri Dec 24 01:58:20 2004
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 20:58:20 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Snow at Christmas
References: <1cd.2ddb9772.2efc7855@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001601c4e99f$1a193cf0$80c0ecdc@morris>

This is Glenn Karch's yard...  Since attachments aren't
allowed on List, thought I'd put this here. If anyone should wish to
host this for the list, I'm sure Glenn wouldn't mind.
Glenn's email:
Bruce Younger

Here is a shot from my back door. There is something over a foot deep
with drifts much higher. I think we've go most roads opened to one lane.
I-64 which is 250 feet north of my house is currently shut down to
traffic. Motorists standed everywhere.

I don't have a way to post to the list. You can post this if you wish.

Its a cold snowy Merry Christmas here.

Glenn


No problems Bruce to see Glen's picture
http://members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/Webpages/Temporary2.html

As I was lucky to stand where the picture was taken in the summer of 2001 it 
is hard to believe the difference


Kerry Morris
Lihgow NSW OZ




From driggars at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 24 02:21:08 2004
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 04:21:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] A Season Greetings for all
Message-ID: <027b01c4e9a2$4996a640$4b468304@clinton>

I want to take a moment and wish everyone a Very Merry Christmas and a =
Happy new Year.
I feel very blessed to have met so many new friends on these  groups/net =
this last year. It has been great! I am looking forward for even better =
this coming year.
I have made many Net Friends over the last 2-3 years

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year


Clint


From nancydick at keyconn.net  Fri Dec 24 07:01:16 2004
From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 07:01:16 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Snow at Christmas
In-Reply-To: <001601c4e99f$1a193cf0$80c0ecdc@morris>
References: <1cd.2ddb9772.2efc7855@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20041224065858.00b25200@mail.keyconn.net>

That looks like a lot of fun. Have that here most of the winter but not 
this year ground bare only got 8 inches so far this year. And last two days 
in the 50s all gone.
R Fink
PA





At 08:58 PM 12/24/2004 +1100, you wrote:
>This is Glenn Karch's yard...  Since attachments aren't
>allowed on List, thought I'd put this here. If anyone should wish to
>host this for the list, I'm sure Glenn wouldn't mind.
>Glenn's email:
>Bruce Younger
>
>Here is a shot from my back door. There is something over a foot deep
>with drifts much higher. I think we've go most roads opened to one lane.
>I-64 which is 250 feet north of my house is currently shut down to
>traffic. Motorists standed everywhere.
>
>I don't have a way to post to the list. You can post this if you wish.
>
>Its a cold snowy Merry Christmas here.
>
>Glenn
>
>
>No problems Bruce to see Glen's picture
>http://members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/Webpages/Temporary2.html
>
>As I was lucky to stand where the picture was taken in the summer of 2001 
>it is hard to believe the difference
>
>
>Kerry Morris
>Lihgow NSW OZ
>
>
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>




From asouth at strato.net  Fri Dec 24 05:22:05 2004
From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:22:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Greetings of the Season ...... 12 MORE SHOPPING HOURS
	LEFT! in the USA
Message-ID: <004f01c4e9bb$90de7230$a400a8c0@Arthur>

To all our friends, relatives, acquaintances, and associates:

HAPPY HANUKAH
MERRY CHRISTMAS
AND A
HAPPY NEW YEAR

ARTHUR & DEANA 




Arthur Southwell
Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A.
asouth at strato.net 


http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944


From rwenig at telus.net  Thu Dec 23 08:07:21 2004
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:07:21 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Voltage regulator wanted
In-Reply-To: <u8uks0ptv5t3480kik0csi6be80ikdkl0i@4ax.com>
References: <BAY4-F4B8656C4A37C32A8E1B64E7A40@phx.gbl>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0412220933270.94435@vegeta.city-net.com>	<41CA0D90.4090904@telus.net>
	<u8uks0ptv5t3480kik0csi6be80ikdkl0i@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <41CAED39.20902@telus.net>

Hello Peter,
	Thanks for the link. Now to see if I get any replies from my request. :-)

Rupert

Peter A Forbes wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:13:04 -0700, you wrote:
> 
> 
>>Hello List,
>>	I have an Onan Microlite model 2.8kw-FA/26100A genset that is in need 
>>of a voltage regulator. I am wondering if any one has a serviceable used 
>>one in their archives they would be willing to part with. Contact me off 
>>list if you prefer at rwenig at telus.net.
>>
>>Rupert
> 
> 
> Post a wanted ad on Harry's Sparks 'n Arcs site, there's plenty of guys with
> this stuff who look on there.
> 
> http://www.smokstak.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=6
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
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> 



From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Dec 24 07:55:37 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:55:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <20041224.105537.1060.3.jlb94@juno.com>

Merry Christmas to all  - - ;-)


Joe & Sylvia Betz

From mrengine at comcast.net  Fri Dec 24 08:31:07 2004
From: mrengine at comcast.net (mrengine at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:31:07 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <122420041631.29531.41CC444B00031E500000735B22007507440A020709020A9D03@comcast.net>

Merry Christmas to all. Let us remember the true meaning and Gods great love.
Like someone else said Merry Christmas to all  and a RUSTY new year! Frank

From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Fri Dec 24 11:26:12 2004
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 06:26:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas from OZ
References: <122420041631.29531.41CC444B00031E500000735B22007507440A020709020A9D03@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <002401c4e9ee$6f7f2bb0$80c0ecdc@morris>

well friends Christmas Day morning has arrived and off to see our two 
Grandkids open their presents, its a great time.
To all our engine friends from all over the world have a Merry and Safe 
Christmas and New Year
Hope ther may even be some new old iron to play with

Kerry and Ruth 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Dec 24 13:33:25 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:33:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas!
In-Reply-To: <BAY4-F119077EE707B1169A33861E7A60@phx.gbl>
References: <1cd.2ddb9772.2efc7855@aol.com>
	<BAY4-F119077EE707B1169A33861E7A60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041224163028.02531700@mail.alltel.net>


>XOXOXOX
>To the entire SEL.
>Peg Pfeiffer

HI Peg,
         Gee, I didn't know you were THAT kind of girl. Does Bill know 
about this? In any event, Happy Rama-Chana-Kwanzmas to you and to everyone 
on The List!
         Dave 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Dec 24 14:03:19 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:03:19 EST
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <1fa.26e2e09.2efdec27@aol.com>

May each and everyone have a very Merry Christmas!



Tom and Millie Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From page at velocitynet.com.au  Fri Dec 24 14:12:05 2004
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 09:12:05 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Merry Xmas
Message-ID: <001601c4ea05$9a534120$8a63fea9@sweeper>

Well we have just finished opening our prezzies here in OZ.  Hope all others "listers" both here and around the world have a happy day.

Ron


From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Fri Dec 24 14:52:20 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:52:20 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Seasons Greetings
Message-ID: <367ps0lrf3ulhljp7i8rner0nkvhrljpnj@4ax.com>

A quick message to everyone on the Lists to wish you all a Happy Xmas and a
prosperous and healthy New Year.

We will be in the US for Tulare in April and again for Portland's 40'th in
August, hope to see you there!

Peter & Rita




From bboyce at swat.coop  Fri Dec 24 14:55:20 2004
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:55:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] happy christmas
Message-ID: <002e01c4ea0b$a5328d70$6401a8c0@BillyBob>

best wishes to all for a happy christmas and a great holiday season !!
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas

From Vivas1993 at aol.com  Fri Dec 24 15:03:39 2004
From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:03:39 EST
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <65.3b5b240a.2efdfa4b@aol.com>


 Merry Christmas to all of the fine folks on the SEL, and may your new year 
be filled with more good old rusty toys :o)
 
 Dwight & Carolyn Vivas
 Matoaca, VA.


From froberts at dodo.com.au  Fri Dec 24 15:13:12 2004
From: froberts at dodo.com.au (Fred Roberts)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 10:13:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Greetings
References: <1c0.20e3eb05.2ed200bb@aol.com>
	<000c01c4d3ab$c22c0670$a5c5ecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <00a201c4ea0e$24b06c00$e984dccb@froberts>


Hello to all.
I too am a bit of a lurker but would like to take this opportunity to wish
you all the very best, and hope and pray the world leaders can get together
and put the real meaning back into Christmas,ie peace on earth and good will
to all.
Regards
Fred

 .



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 24 15:39:37 2004
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:39:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to All
Message-ID: <01a601c4ea11$da268e40$230110ac@PAUL>

Just wanted to say Merry Christmas to all of the List Members and wish you a very happy and prosperous New Year. Thanks to everyone for all of the help, advice, and friendship you have so freely given me over the past year and all of the years I have been on the list. May God Bless each one of you.

Paul


From WinkAndGinger at aol.com  Fri Dec 24 15:57:37 2004
From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:57:37 EST
Subject: [SEL] Lambert
Message-ID: <129.52fd597a.2efe06f1@aol.com>

Well, today we fired up the Lambert (remember the "mystery" engine?) for the 
first time!   Wow! What a super kind of gift for Christmas....and it sounds 
beautimus!!
  The homemade mixer even works!

Wink & Ginger Thornton, 
Yucca Valley Ca., USA
KG6TVW, KG6TVV
The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Dec 24 16:43:34 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:43:34 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Lambert
Message-ID: <20041224.164335.668.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Pictures Wink pictures!!!

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:57:37 EST WinkAndGinger at aol.com writes:
> Well, today we fired up the Lambert (remember the "mystery" engine?) 
> for the 
> first time!   Wow! What a super kind of gift for Christmas....and it 
> sounds 
> beautimus!!
>   The homemade mixer even works!
> 
> Wink & Ginger Thornton, 
> Yucca Valley Ca., USA
> KG6TVW, KG6TVV
> The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=


From oldengines at bigpond.com  Fri Dec 24 17:23:04 2004
From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron & Liz Sullivan)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 12:23:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas 
Message-ID: <003201c4ea20$486c32c0$abe18690@ronliz1>

Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year!

Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all.... and a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2005, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make Australia great (not to imply that Australia is necessarily greater that any other country), and without regard to the race, creed, colour, age, physical ability, religious faith, choice of computer platform, or sexual preference of the wishee. 
By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for her/himself or others, and is void where prohibited by law, and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher. 
In other words,

 Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!!! 

Ron & Liz Sullivan and family


From solarrog at pacbell.net  Fri Dec 24 17:58:58 2004
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:58:58 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas 
References: <003201c4ea20$486c32c0$abe18690@ronliz1>
Message-ID: <006f01c4ea25$4cd62a50$13f1af40@solar>

Ron Lay off the Nog
happy holidays

Roger DiRuscio,  Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont
Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor
scooters and bicycle motors. Pivate pilot 1981.  Fremont,Ca 94555
510-797-4000
Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly
web site.     scrapologist.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron & Liz Sullivan" <oldengines at bigpond.com>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 5:23 PM
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas


Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year!

Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an
environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive,
gender neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within
the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or
practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions
and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or
secular traditions at all.... and a fiscally successful, personally
fulfilling, and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the
generally accepted calendar year 2005, but not without due respect for the
calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have
helped make Australia great (not to imply that Australia is necessarily
greater that any other country), and without regard to the race, creed,
colour, age, physical ability, religious faith, choice of computer platform,
or sexual preference of the wishee.
By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting is
subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with no
alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by the wisher to
actually implement any of the wishes for her/himself or others, and is void
where prohibited by law, and is revocable at the sole discretion of the
wisher. This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual
application of good tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance
of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is
limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole
discretion of the wisher.
In other words,

 Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!!!

Ron & Liz Sullivan and family
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Fri Dec 24 20:56:34 2004
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 20:56:34 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <41CCF302.ADB4942C@wightman.ca>

Hi All,

Sandy, Morgan and I would like to wish all our friends on the list a
very Merry Christmas.
Hard to believe how long I have been on this list. :-)

Duncan, Sandy and Morgan Denman

--
Duncan and Sandy Denman
Ayton, Ontario, Canada
Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca
Visit our Home Page at:
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/
Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry




From garyepps at fidnet.com  Fri Dec 24 18:10:03 2004
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 20:10:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] MERRY CHRISTMAS
Message-ID: <41CCCBFB.1010808@fidnet.com>

MERRY CHRISTMAS to all and to all a good night!

Gary Epps
-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Fri Dec 24 19:30:52 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:30:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS
In-Reply-To: <41CCCBFB.1010808@fidnet.com>
References: <41CCCBFB.1010808@fidnet.com>
Message-ID: <61023D48-5625-11D9-AC04-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> MERRY CHRISTMAS to all and to all a good night!

God bless us, every one!

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Dec 24 22:22:12 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 01:22:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
In-Reply-To: <41CCF302.ADB4942C@wightman.ca>
References: <41CCF302.ADB4942C@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <41CD0714.7020709@scrtc.com>

Best wishes to all my SEL friends and my greatest hopes that you have a 
very Merry Christmas.  I pray that in 2005 you find a year filled with 
joy and happiness.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Dec 24 22:52:51 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 01:52:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snow at Christmas
In-Reply-To: <001601c4e99f$1a193cf0$80c0ecdc@morris>
References: <1cd.2ddb9772.2efc7855@aol.com>
	<001601c4e99f$1a193cf0$80c0ecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041225014233.025fc910@mail.alltel.net>


>Here is a shot from my back door. There is something over a foot deep
>with drifts much higher. I think we've go most roads opened to one lane.
>I-64 which is 250 feet north of my house is currently shut down to
>traffic. Motorists standed everywhere.
>Glenn
>No problems Bruce to see Glen's picture
>http://members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/Webpages/Temporary2.html
>As I was lucky to stand where the picture was taken in the summer of 2001 
>it is hard to believe the difference
>Kerry Morris

I drove to Indianapolis IN on Thursday and then back today in order to pick 
up my truck which had broken a transmission when I was there on last 
Sunday. I-70 was closed last night at mile 46, 44, 41 and one other place 
(which I now forget/repress.) The usual 6 hour trip (370 miles) took 13 
hours. This morning I-65 and I-71 were both closed for about 4 hours while 
salt was applied and plowing was done. The Indiana workers did a good job 
and travel was getting better as the hours passed. The trip home only took 
8 1/2 hours!
         Dave 



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Dec 24 23:12:59 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 23:12:59 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Lambert
In-Reply-To: <20041224.164335.668.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200412250713.iBP7D24J071215@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


> Pictures Wink pictures!!!


Pictures, Ginger pictures!









From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Dec 21 07:21:29 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:21:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness
References: <DB3D1254-52E0-11D9-B2E3-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
	<009201c4e710$72d262e0$966e8645@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV28E80A11BA410F4C852FC8BBA30@phx.gbl>

Dat's one happy family.

Happy Holidays, Culps!!

RickinMt.


>
>
> > The other night I posted a pic Jennifer took of her mom in the
> > groundhog hat I bought her last year for Groundhog Day:
> > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/Eeee!.jpg
> >
> > So, in fairness: Here's a pic of me shot by my daughter the other night:
> > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/santa.jpg
> >
> > Here's a pic of the photographer posing with her mom:
> > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/red_&_green.jpg
> >
> > John Culp
> > Bristol, Tennessee, USA 


From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sat Dec 25 00:05:13 2004
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 08:05:13 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <MvK5Qx958RzBFw1L@loud-n-clear.net>

Wishing you all a Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous New Year.

No snow here (yet) but it's -4 C or about 25 F and a hard frost despite 
the wind...

All the best

      Pete

North Shropshire, England
-- 
Peter Scales


From bwiebelhaus at cox.net  Fri Dec 24 20:35:07 2004
From: bwiebelhaus at cox.net (Wiebelhaus)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 21:35:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Re: [AJD] MERRY CHRISTMAS
In-Reply-To: <41CCCBFB.1010808@fidnet.com>
References: <41CCCBFB.1010808@fidnet.com>
Message-ID: <41CCEDFB.3060104@cox.net>

Merry Christmas everyone!!!

Brad Wiebelhaus

Gary Epps wrote:

> MERRY CHRISTMAS to all and to all a good night!
>
> Gary Epps



From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Dec 25 06:34:13 2004
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 14:34:13 -0000
Subject: [SEL] seasons gretings from Scotland
Message-ID: <004c01c4ea8e$d284f140$0697e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi All, 

        I would like to wish everyone on the list a very merry christmas and good health for 2005.
        The snow arrived here over night , but we only have a couple of inches at the moment , nothing that we can't handdle unlike our southern cousins. 
        Happy holidays to one and all and enjoy them whilst there here as they don't last long enough.

        See you latter ,
                                Craig in Scotland

From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Dec 25 07:31:46 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 08:31:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Happy Holidays
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV21B55AC5553EBCCE1EAFE5BBA70@phx.gbl>

  And from the Strobel's in Montana, we wish you all the very best.

Take Care
Rick and Kathy Strobel w/Spudhead on the side.
http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc


From rexhinz at chorus.net  Sat Dec 25 08:47:31 2004
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 10:47:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas Everone !
Message-ID: <000701c4eaa1$75cbc7e0$3786a5d8@mycomputer>

MERRY CHRISTMAS  TO ALL !



From Peterwoodmore at aol.com  Sat Dec 25 14:19:53 2004
From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 17:19:53 EST
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas Everone !
Message-ID: <141.3be98900.2eff4189@aol.com>

Merry Christmas to all on the ;list and may Santa leave an inverted Crossley 
under your tree

Woody
peterwoodmore at aol.com
27 Craig Av
Moorebank 2170
NSW
Australia


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Dec 25 14:32:40 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 17:32:40 EST
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas 
Message-ID: <1ca.2def942b.2eff4488@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/24/2004 8:37:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
oldengines at bigpond.com writes:

<< 
 Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an 
environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, 
gender neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the 
most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or 
practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions 
and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular 
traditions at all.... and a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and 
medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted 
calendar year 2005, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other 
cultures whose contributions to society have helped make Australia great (not 
to imply that Australia is necessarily greater that any other country), and 
without regard to the race, creed, colour, age, physical ability, religious 
faith, choice of computer platform, or sexual preference of the wishee. 
 By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting is 
subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with no 
alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by the wisher to 
actually implement any of the wishes for her/himself or others, and is void where 
prohibited by law, and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher. This 
wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual application of good 
tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday 
greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of 
this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher.  >>

Do not believe I ever heard, but are you a lawyer Ron?  Surely you did not 
come up with all those words without the help of someone in the that field of 
employment!

Have a good one!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 25 14:46:18 2004
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 22:46:18 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
Message-ID: <BAY103-F23CC8092898CC3D6CEF28FC8A70@phx.gbl>

Well, the presents were all opened this morning and all the kids are playing 
this evening. Had a big dinner with ham, mashed potatoes, green beans, 
cranberries, pumpkin pie, and strawberry rhubarb pie. Fire in the fire place 
with Christmas music playing tonight. Nice to spend quality time with the 
family. Wanted to sit down at the computer and wish all my friends around 
the world a Merry Christmas. May God bless you and keep you and your 
families safe in 2005. Hope to see lots of you at the shows this coming 
year. We have alot to be thankful for.

Luke and Shirley Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Dec 25 15:04:25 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:04:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] VERY Addictive!
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041225180341.025c1238@mail.alltel.net>

Something to fill the days until show season!

Click to make the penguin jump and then click again in - time to
make the polar bear swing the bat to hit the penguin across the
ice!  Very addictive ! ! ! http://n.ethz.ch/student/mkos/pinguin.swf

	Dave 



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Dec 25 16:56:18 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 19:56:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] VERY Addictive!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041225180341.025c1238@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041225180341.025c1238@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <F3BCFD88-56D8-11D9-94F0-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Here's a version you might like even better, Dave:
http://www.funnypics.cc/media/penguin_bloody.php

John

On Dec 25, 2004, at 6:04 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Something to fill the days until show season!
>
> Click to make the penguin jump and then click again in - time to
> make the polar bear swing the bat to hit the penguin across the
> ice!  Very addictive ! ! ! http://n.ethz.ch/student/mkos/pinguin.swf
>
> 	Dave


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Dec 25 18:19:19 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 21:19:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Christmas Isn't Over Yet
Message-ID: <8CAEFC82-56E4-11D9-B82A-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Just recorded a take of "Silent Night" on my new electric guitar I got 
for my birthday a while back. It's a first run, not perfect, but while 
I was doing it Jane was yakking on the portable phone, squeaking the 
back door and such, which she's still ding, so I thought I'd better 
take what I could get!

Here it is: http://oldengine.org/members/culp/SilentNight.mp3

Merry Christmas, everybody!

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From ELIDAS at aol.com  Sat Dec 25 18:43:17 2004
From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 21:43:17 EST
Subject: [SEL] Re:Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <7e.5fb80caa.2eff7f45@aol.com>

Merry Christmas!
  Mike Semanoff


From old_iron at msn.com  Sat Dec 25 19:13:15 2004
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 21:13:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] VERY Addictive!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041225180341.025c1238@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <BAY4-F24C36F57230C662FEBE54E7980@phx.gbl>

Only someone with your rather unique sense of humor would find this 
additing.

Happy Holidays,
Peg

>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] VERY Addictive!
>Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:04:25 -0500
>
>Something to fill the days until show season!
>
>Click to make the penguin jump and then click again in - time to
>make the polar bear swing the bat to hit the penguin across the
>ice!  Very addictive ! ! ! http://n.ethz.ch/student/mkos/pinguin.swf
>
>	Dave
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Dec 25 20:16:18 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 23:16:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Christmas Isn't Over Yet--Still More
In-Reply-To: <8CAEFC82-56E4-11D9-B82A-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
References: <8CAEFC82-56E4-11D9-B82A-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <E462F8EE-56F4-11D9-AF4C-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Here's yet another, "Rudolph": 
http://oldengine.org/members/culp/Rudolph.MP3

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From weolson at wiktel.com  Sat Dec 25 20:33:14 2004
From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 22:33:14 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <41CE3F0A.8080002@wiktel.com>

  Up here in far Northern Minnesota, by the Canadian border, we awoke to
-30 degrees F on Thursday, the day before Christmas, not much snow yet, 
but just a little cooler than some of you experienced.
    Merry Christmas to all. Let us remember the true meaning of the birth
of God's Son and Gods great love Gift to us.

William Olson
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From WinkAndGinger at aol.com  Sat Dec 25 21:30:59 2004
From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 00:30:59 EST
Subject: [SEL] VERY Addictive!
Message-ID: <c4.1d78abc5.2effa693@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/25/2004 7:15:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
old_iron at msn.com writes:


> Only someone with your rather unique sense of humor would find this 
> additing.
> 
> Happy Holidays,
> Peg
> 

uh oh!!   Peg just put me in the same category as Dave.....I'm a goner!!

Wink & Ginger Thornton, 
Yucca Valley Ca., USA
KG6TVW, KG6TVV
The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=


From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 26 05:50:24 2004
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 05:50:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] transaxle axle shaft needed
Message-ID: <20041226135024.8765.qmail@web14124.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi folks,
I'm in need of an axle for a Peerless, I think, Model number 1708A, other numbers on the tag are, 143,  and 4098 6390.  The axle needs to be about 13-3/4" long by 1" dia. It will have a 1/4" key slot to attach the hub, and will be splined on the internal end and the bevel gear is held on with a snap ring. 
Anyone got one they don't need and will part with?
Thanks
Ron  



Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0

  http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846

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From oldengin at udata.com  Sun Dec 26 06:34:19 2004
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 09:34:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] VERY Addictive!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041225180341.025c1238@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041225180341.025c1238@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <41CECBEB.4060603@udata.com>

Click to make the penguin jump and then click again in - time to make 
the polar bear swing the bat to hit the penguin across the ice!  Very 
addictive ! ! ! http://n.ethz.ch/student/mkos/pinguin.swf

>
>     Dave

No I am not an addict.... but 347.2 is my best??? and I will keep you 
posted.

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From Carrowor2002 at att.net  Sun Dec 26 06:51:42 2004
From: Carrowor2002 at att.net (Bob)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 09:51:42 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] VERY Addictive!
References: <41CECBEB.4060603@udata.com>
Message-ID: <41CECFFE.000004.54359@COMPUTER>

354.6 here  LOL

S.O.B, 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: The SEL email discussion list
Date: 12/26/04 09:42:15
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] VERY Addictive!
 
Click to make the penguin jump and then click again in - time to make
the polar bear swing the bat to hit the penguin across the ice!  Very
addictive ! ! ! http://n.ethz.ch/student/mkos/pinguin.swf
 
>
>     Dave
 
No I am not an addict.... but 347.2 is my best??? and I will keep you
posted.
 
--
   C-ya
 
     Leroy Clark
 
"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE
 
 
better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark
 
 
 
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SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Dec 26 09:45:11 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:45:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] VERY Addictive!
In-Reply-To: <41CECFFE.000004.54359@COMPUTER>
References: <41CECBEB.4060603@udata.com> <41CECFFE.000004.54359@COMPUTER>
Message-ID: <E4135C0E-5765-11D9-94E9-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

My personal best with the bloody version with land mines is 1200 
something.

John

> 354.6 here  LOL
>
> S.O.B,
>

> No I am not an addict.... but 347.2 is my best??? and I will keep you
> posted.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Dec 26 09:48:40 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:48:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Happy Boxing Day
Message-ID: <1104083320.41cef978e7519@webmail.city-net.com>

Hiya Folks,

May the Rustafarians drop heaps of neat olde iron beside your sheds to keep you
busy through the rest of winter.  And don't forget that its still not too late
to dance naked in the moonlight.  You HAVE noticed that the days are getting
longer right?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

PS - GO STEELERS!!  One for the thumb!!



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 26 10:21:28 2004
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 10:21:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] VERY Addictive!
In-Reply-To: <41CECBEB.4060603@udata.com>
Message-ID: <20041226182128.10626.qmail@web61301.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey Leroy,
I don't really shoot for the long hit. 321 is my best so far.
I just got three pop flys in a row though,,,,
I like seeing that penguin do a nose dive at 200 yards.
 
Thanks Dave!!!!
 
Alan Bowen on Yahoo

"Leroy C." <oldengin at udata.com> wrote:
Click to make the penguin jump and then click again in - time to make 
the polar bear swing the bat to hit the penguin across the ice! Very 
addictive ! ! ! http://n.ethz.ch/student/mkos/pinguin.swf

>
> Dave

No I am not an addict.... but 347.2 is my best??? and I will keep you 
posted.

-- 
C-ya

Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark



		
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From Aermoter at aol.com  Sun Dec 26 11:44:57 2004
From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 14:44:57 EST
Subject: [SEL] VERY Addictive!
Message-ID: <1fb.270b161.2f006eb9@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/26/2004 8:45:34 AM Central Standard Time, 
oldengin at udata.com writes:
but 347.2 is my best??? 
379.0 but that included a long slide on the ice

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Dec 26 12:12:13 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:12:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] VERY Addictive!
In-Reply-To: <1fb.270b161.2f006eb9@aol.com>
References: <1fb.270b161.2f006eb9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6E46CF2A-577A-11D9-94E9-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Y'all need to try the bloody version. If you can get good hits on the 
landmines, they really keep that penguin head a-hoppin'!

John

On Dec 26, 2004, at 2:44 PM, Aermoter at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 12/26/2004 8:45:34 AM Central Standard Time,
> oldengin at udata.com writes:
> but 347.2 is my best???
> 379.0 but that included a long slide on the ice


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Dec 27 04:16:19 2004
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:16:19 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Happy Boxing Day
Message-ID: <122720041216.11180.745c@mchsi.com>

Ok Arnie, not all those on list know what "Happy Boxing Day" is, I do, but 
lets see about your iq??????
Curt
> Hiya Folks,
> 
> May the Rustafarians drop heaps of neat olde iron beside your sheds to keep you
> busy through the rest of winter.  And don't forget that its still not too late
> to dance naked in the moonlight.  You HAVE noticed that the days are getting
> longer right?  8-))
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> PS - GO STEELERS!!  One for the thumb!!
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Dec 27 04:26:08 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 07:26:08 EST
Subject: [SEL] Happy Boxing Day
Message-ID: <e3.9a13552.2f015960@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/27/2004 7:17:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
cgandree at mchsi.com writes:

<< Ok Arnie, not all those on list know what "Happy Boxing Day" is, I do, but 
 lets see about your iq?????? >>


The day after Christmas, the Feast of St. Stephen, the first Christian 
martyr, is better known as Boxing Day. The term may come from the opening of church 
poor boxes that day; maybe from the earthenware boxes with which boy 
apprentices collected money at the doors of their masters' clients.

Sorry to answer, but figured Arnie needed help on Monday morning after all 
the Christmas cheer!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Dec 27 04:38:42 2004
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:38:42 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Happy Boxing Day
Message-ID: <122720041238.16288.3b2@mchsi.com>

Ohhhh Tom, you blew it...should of let Arnie struggle with it because I am 
sure he learned a different story from his past visits to english pubs and it 
would of been distored.
Curt
> In a message dated 12/27/2004 7:17:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
> cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
> 
> << Ok Arnie, not all those on list know what "Happy Boxing Day" is, I do, but 
>  lets see about your iq?????? >>
> 
> 
> The day after Christmas, the Feast of St. Stephen, the first Christian 
> martyr, is better known as Boxing Day. The term may come from the opening of 
> church 
> poor boxes that day; maybe from the earthenware boxes with which boy 
> apprentices collected money at the doors of their masters' clients.
> 
> Sorry to answer, but figured Arnie needed help on Monday morning after all 
> the Christmas cheer!
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
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From prepair at easynet.co.uk  Mon Dec 27 05:07:21 2004
From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:07:21 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Happy Boxing Day
In-Reply-To: <122720041238.16288.3b2@mchsi.com>
References: <122720041238.16288.3b2@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <n720t0lmt78b88ggvt5ak29t99kg12kurr@4ax.com>

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:38:42 +0000, you wrote:

>Ohhhh Tom, you blew it...should of let Arnie struggle with it because I am 
>sure he learned a different story from his past visits to english pubs and it 
>would of been distored.
>Curt
>> In a message dated 12/27/2004 7:17:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
>> cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
>> 
>> << Ok Arnie, not all those on list know what "Happy Boxing Day" is, I do, but 
>>  lets see about your iq?????? >>
>> 
>> 
>> The day after Christmas, the Feast of St. Stephen, the first Christian 
>> martyr, is better known as Boxing Day. The term may come from the opening of 
>> church 
>> poor boxes that day; maybe from the earthenware boxes with which boy 
>> apprentices collected money at the doors of their masters' clients.
>> 
>> Sorry to answer, but figured Arnie needed help on Monday morning after all 
>> the Christmas cheer!
>> 
>> Tom Schmutz

http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/boxing.asp


Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK
prepair at easynet.co.uk
http://www.prepair.co.uk




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Dec 27 05:51:55 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 06:51:55 -0700
Subject: [SEL] NPT taps
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV176B83FD8B7DB3CF7F3F34BB990@phx.gbl>

  Howdy list.  It was a good one here and we had a White Christmas.  13 
above now with little snow...jus perfect.
  Well for Christmas, I got a set of NPT taps.  Question I've had for a long 
time is "How far do you turn a pipe thread tap in?"  Usually on a die I turn 
it until 2 threads are showing.


  HELP

RickinMt.
http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Dec 27 06:07:45 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 07:07:45 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Restoration
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV3061F6B89D30A60F74F0DCBB990@phx.gbl>

  Another question please and this is in regards to a 1 1/2 IHC M.
  What would an antique engine expert be looking for when accessing the 
originality of an engine?

Sorry if this has been beat to death in a previous thread.

TIA
RickinMt.
http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 


From oldengin at udata.com  Mon Dec 27 06:14:15 2004
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:14:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] NPT taps
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV176B83FD8B7DB3CF7F3F34BB990@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY3-DAV176B83FD8B7DB3CF7F3F34BB990@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41D018B7.8020501@udata.com>

Richard Strobel wrote:

>  Howdy list.  It was a good one here and we had a White Christmas.  13 
>above now with little snow...jus perfect.
>  Well for Christmas, I got a set of NPT taps.  Question I've had for a long 
>time is "How far do you turn a pipe thread tap in?"  Usually on a die I turn 
>it until 2 threads are showing.
>  
>
"I" turn mine even with the tap, this will start your pipe into the die 
section easy..  ps 3 outside right now!

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 27 06:15:06 2004
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 06:15:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] NPT taps
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV176B83FD8B7DB3CF7F3F34BB990@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20041227141506.8647.qmail@web14102.mail.yahoo.com>

Good question Rick.  Can't tell you just how far it should go in, but a professional pipefitter told me once that you should be able to ingage a pipe thread into its fitting 4 to 5 turns by hand to get a proper seal. I guess you could fit and try until you got the 4-5 turns then check the tap to see just how many threads are showing.
 
Ron

Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
Howdy list. It was a good one here and we had a White Christmas. 13 
above now with little snow...jus perfect.
Well for Christmas, I got a set of NPT taps. Question I've had for a long 
time is "How far do you turn a pipe thread tap in?" Usually on a die I turn 
it until 2 threads are showing.


HELP

RickinMt.
http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Dec 27 06:43:51 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:43:51 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Restoration
References: <BAY3-DAV3061F6B89D30A60F74F0DCBB990@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000d01c4ec22$7b5333b0$3e636854@Sixmjohn>


Rick, I would say the engine has all the original parts for its
type of engine without selfmade parts or welds, traces of the
factory paint would be a plus.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web


>   Another question please and this is in regards to a 1 1/2 IHC M.
>   What would an antique engine expert be looking for when accessing the 
> originality of an engine?
> 
> Sorry if this has been beat to death in a previous thread.
> 
> TIA
> RickinMt.
> http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Dec 27 07:37:55 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:37:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] NPT taps
In-Reply-To: <20041227141506.8647.qmail@web14102.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041227141506.8647.qmail@web14102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41D02C53.3020407@scrtc.com>


Rick,

    Part of this would depend on if you threaded the pipe yourself or 
purchased one already threaded.  If you thread yourself, then you also 
have to determine how far up to thread (and if you're like me and have 
an adjustable set of pipe dies, it really can make you scratch your 
head).  A thread you make will sometimes have a slightly larger diameter 
than a "factory thread".   I usually run the tap 1/2 way in.  Since pipe 
threads are tapered, as long as you are able to get 4 to 5 threads 
started good and then are able to tighten the pipe without "bottoming 
out" the treads on it, you're in good shape.  Another key is to always 
use teflon tape.  One it will seal the treads and two, it sure makes 
taking this stuff apart easier after its been setting for 10 years.  If 
you are sealing gasoline, natural gas, or propane, be sure the teflon 
tape is suitable for that use.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote:

>Good question Rick.  Can't tell you just how far it should go in, but a professional pipefitter told me once that you should be able to ingage a pipe thread into its fitting 4 to 5 turns by hand to get a proper seal. I guess you could fit and try until you got the 4-5 turns then check the tap to see just how many threads are showing.
>  
>




From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 27 13:31:21 2004
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:31:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT: Christmas Isn't Over Yet--Still More
References: <8CAEFC82-56E4-11D9-B82A-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
	<E462F8EE-56F4-11D9-AF4C-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <006001c4ec5b$691cf120$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>

Picture this
 Xmas morning , I'm on the back porch with an amp playing the theme from
jackass while the boys chase each other around in a foot of fresh snow .
Surreal sight in South Texas , so we made a snow bandido  with a  ponson,
sombrero , and  machete  ,  and then a big  Olmec  head  .





From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Dec 27 15:14:13 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 00:14:13 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT: Christmas Isn't Over Yet--Still More
References: <8CAEFC82-56E4-11D9-B82A-00039352D07A@chartertn.net><E462F8EE-56F4-11D9-AF4C-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
	<006001c4ec5b$691cf120$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
Message-ID: <000801c4ec69$c7ef3380$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

Hey Chuck how was the Tequia tasting?

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



> Picture this
>  Xmas morning , I'm on the back porch with an amp playing the theme from
> jackass while the boys chase each other around in a foot of fresh snow .
> Surreal sight in South Texas , so we made a snow bandido  with a  ponson,
> sombrero , and  machete  ,  and then a big  Olmec  head  .
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Dec 27 15:32:59 2004
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:32:59 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT...Tsunami
Message-ID: <001f01c4ec6c$6ac75d10$baa226ca@ogborneuah38i3>

Having lived and worked in a place that was not that far from the epicentre
i can picture the devastation .It is luck and nothing else that that spares
us from being involved. My wife and i said '' bugger the Xmas cards this
year'' .So we donated to World Vision ............hope some of that money
gets through to those that need it.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Dec 27 15:34:24 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:34:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Christmas Isn't Over Yet--Still More
In-Reply-To: <006001c4ec5b$691cf120$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
References: <8CAEFC82-56E4-11D9-B82A-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
	<E462F8EE-56F4-11D9-AF4C-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
	<006001c4ec5b$691cf120$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
Message-ID: <D7B6F7C9-585F-11D9-A829-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Good clean family fun!

John

On Dec 27, 2004, at 4:31 PM, <kerogas at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Picture this
>  Xmas morning , I'm on the back porch with an amp playing the theme 
> from
> jackass while the boys chase each other around in a foot of fresh snow 
> .
> Surreal sight in South Texas , so we made a snow bandido  with a  
> ponson,
> sombrero , and  machete  ,  and then a big  Olmec  head  .


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Dec 28 01:46:08 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:46:08 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Crossley before and after
Message-ID: <200412280946.iBS9k7So011734@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

I spent this afternoon helping a mate get the bugs out of a newly finished
Crossley J. It still need some bedding in but it is running quite well.
Here is what it looked like when purchased:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/milbauct/auct2003_0809AX.JPG
and here is what it looks like now:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122802.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122805.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122806.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122810.JPG


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Tue Dec 28 03:23:01 2004
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:23:01 +1100
Subject: [SEL] White engine
Message-ID: <002a01c4eccf$988bca20$3485dccb@oemcomputer>

Hi people.Brock has asked me to let all know that he has got his side shaft
vertical White up and going at last.He phoned me yesterday so that I could
here it running and again today after he had done some fine tuning and it is
sounding great.His puter is out of action and won't be fixed for about a
week.He has assured me that he will post some pics when he is back on
line.This is one rare and desirable engine and he has done a fine job from
very sad beginnings.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Dec 28 04:36:28 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:36:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Crossley before and after
In-Reply-To: <200412280946.iBS9k7So011734@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200412280946.iBS9k7So011734@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <41D1534C.3080807@scrtc.com>

Patrick,

    Super Job!!  Looks like you put several hours in on that baby.  And, 
what a baby it now is!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KH

Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

>I spent this afternoon helping a mate get the bugs out of a newly finished
>Crossley J. It still need some bedding in but it is running quite well.
>Here is what it looked like when purchased:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/milbauct/auct2003_0809AX.JPG
>and here is what it looks like now:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122802.JPG
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122805.JPG
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122806.JPG
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122810.JPG
>
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>
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>
>
>  
>



From marvhed at ecenet.com  Tue Dec 28 04:49:29 2004
From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 06:49:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] NPT taps
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV176B83FD8B7DB3CF7F3F34BB990@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY3-DAV176B83FD8B7DB3CF7F3F34BB990@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <46912.199.62.0.252.1104238169.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>

about 2/3 to 3/4 of the threads deep, leave 1/3 to 1/4 of the threads
showing. test with a pipe plug.
on steel, i use cutting oil, on cast iron, i do it dry.
be sure to use a 1/4 turn advance-1/3 turn back motion when taping.
if you keep taping continually without the forward and back motion on the
tap handle, the tap will plug with chips and break. there is no warning
either :-))


marv in minn


>   Howdy list.  It was a good one here and we had a White Christmas.  13
> above now with little snow...jus perfect.
>   Well for Christmas, I got a set of NPT taps.  Question I've had for a
> long
> time is "How far do you turn a pipe thread tap in?"  Usually on a die I
> turn
> it until 2 threads are showing.
>
>
>   HELP
>
> RickinMt.
> http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Dec 28 05:14:08 2004
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:14:08 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Happy Boxing Day
Message-ID: <122820041314.9414.30f6@mchsi.com>

Very good Peter, when I asked someone else the other day (a knowledgable Brit 
whom we both know) I first got the cleanup after Christmas story then he 
decided to get the real story from goggle.   Did you get out for the Steam 
Tractor parade?
regards,
Curt Andree
> On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:38:42 +0000, you wrote:
> 
> >Ohhhh Tom, you blew it...should of let Arnie struggle with it because I am 
> >sure he learned a different story from his past visits to english pubs and it 
> >would of been distored.
> >Curt
> >> In a message dated 12/27/2004 7:17:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
> >> cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
> >> 
> >> << Ok Arnie, not all those on list know what "Happy Boxing Day" is, I do, but 
> >>  lets see about your iq?????? >>
> >> 
> >> 
> >> The day after Christmas, the Feast of St. Stephen, the first Christian 
> >> martyr, is better known as Boxing Day. The term may come from the opening of 
> >> church 
> >> poor boxes that day; maybe from the earthenware boxes with which boy 
> >> apprentices collected money at the doors of their masters' clients.
> >> 
> >> Sorry to answer, but figured Arnie needed help on Monday morning after all 
> >> the Christmas cheer!
> >> 
> >> Tom Schmutz
> 
> http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/boxing.asp
> 
> 
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes

> Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK
> prepair at easynet.co.uk
> http://www.prepair.co.uk
> 
> 
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From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Tue Dec 28 07:11:51 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (diesel at easynet.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:11:51 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Happy Boxing Day
In-Reply-To: <122820041314.9414.30f6@mchsi.com>
References: <122820041314.9414.30f6@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <1104246711.41d177b710c03@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk>

Quoting cgandree at mchsi.com:

> Very good Peter, when I asked someone else the other day (a knowledgable Brit
> 
> whom we both know) I first got the cleanup after Christmas story then he 
> decided to get the real story from goggle.   Did you get out for the Steam 
> Tractor parade?
> regards,
> Curt Andree

Hi Curt:

We always used to believe as kids it was because of the sporting links that 
Boxing Day was so called, now we know differently!  I don't know how true that 
explanation is, you'd have to go way back to get to the bottom of the name 
methinks.

Regarding the steam rally, we haven't been out of the factory this past week or 
two apart from Xmas day itself. We have a large couple of jobs to get out, one 
for delivery to Scotland this week, so we have nearly all been at work.   

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk
Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Dec 28 08:43:34 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:43:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] NPT taps
In-Reply-To: <46912.199.62.0.252.1104238169.squirrel@admintool.trueband. net>
References: <BAY3-DAV176B83FD8B7DB3CF7F3F34BB990@phx.gbl>
	<46912.199.62.0.252.1104238169.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041228114054.021e63d8@mail.alltel.net>


>be sure to use a 1/4 turn advance-1/3 turn back motion when taping.
>if you keep taping continually without the forward and back motion on the
>tap handle, the tap will plug with chips and break. there is no warning
>either :-))
>marv in minn

Hi marve, Do you want to rethink this "1/4 turn advance-1/3 turn back" 
advice, or shall we just wait and see how many people are unable to keep 
the tap in the hole while following it?
         Dave 



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Dec 28 08:56:02 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:56:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] NPT taps
References: <BAY3-DAV176B83FD8B7DB3CF7F3F34BB990@phx.gbl><46912.199.62.0.252.1104238169.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041228114054.021e63d8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV237A3DD9FE9BABBF537633BB9A0@phx.gbl>

I understood whatcha meant Marv as I've came darn close to sticking one.

  Many thanks to those who replied!!

Headed for the shed.
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] NPT taps


>
> >be sure to use a 1/4 turn advance-1/3 turn back motion when taping.
> >if you keep taping continually without the forward and back motion on the
> >tap handle, the tap will plug with chips and break. there is no warning
> >either :-))
> >marv in minn
>
> Hi marve, Do you want to rethink this "1/4 turn advance-1/3 turn back"
> advice, or shall we just wait and see how many people are unable to keep
> the tap in the hole while following it?
>          Dave
>
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From marvhed at ecenet.com  Tue Dec 28 09:38:59 2004
From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:38:59 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] NPT taps
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041228114054.021e63d8@mail.alltel.net>
References: <BAY3-DAV176B83FD8B7DB3CF7F3F34BB990@phx.gbl><46912.199.62.0.252.1104238169.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
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nah, we'll just lettum try it :-))
marv in minn

>
>>be sure to use a 1/4 turn advance-1/3 turn back motion when taping.
>>if you keep taping continually without the forward and back motion on the
>>tap handle, the tap will plug with chips and break. there is no warning
>>either :-))
>>marv in minn
>
> Hi marve, Do you want to rethink this "1/4 turn advance-1/3 turn back"
> advice, or shall we just wait and see how many people are unable to keep
> the tap in the hole while following it?
>          Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From linstrum55 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 28 10:11:53 2004
From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:11:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] pipe taps, threads, and fittings
Message-ID: <20041228181153.5604.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi, guys,

I have been absent from here for about two years but through the good
offices of John Culp I have returned. My old Pentium 1 computer was so
slow I couldn?t participate in a lot of things in general on the
Internet simply because the processor speed was so slow. I upgraded to
a 2.6 GHz Celeron computer and now it is a lot better, just my
extremely rural phone line now being the limiting factor by not
supporting a decent modem speed. 

When I use a pipe tap I run it in about half way and then check for
thread engagement of the fitting of the part that screws into it.
According to Machinery?s Handbook the minimum number of turns of pipe
thread engagement is five BY HAND. After five turns by hand, I use a
rule thumb to find the final tightening torque by using the torque that
is applied to a coarse pitch low strength soft steel bolt that
corresponds to the actual outside diameter of the pipe in question.
Remember that the pipe size and its actual inside and outside diameters
are not very closely related, especially at smaller sizes! With brass
and aluminum fittings the torque has to be considerably less and a lot
of care has to be used. I use the torque table at:

http://www.thelenchannel.com/1torque.html  

Teflon thread sealant has been an absolute godsend for pipe threads and
I have had perfectly good hand tight leak-proof seals for ?? pipe at
2100 psi on oxygen tank lines. A word of warning, with oxygen the only
safe thread sealant is Teflon, if a sealant burns it will explode under
pressure with oxygen!

Pipe threads used for pipes that carry gases and liquids are cut on a
taper so that the DIAMETER decreases by ?? per 12? or a 16 to one
taper. A round rod with a diameter of ?? will come to a point at a
length of 12 inches with this taper. Pipe threads used for electrical
conduit have the same outside diameter and pitch as the starting
diameter of tapered pipe threads and they will screw together quite
nicely onto PROPERLY manufactured tapered pipe fittings despite the
apparent conflict in geometry that indicates that they won?t. This is
due to the female tapered thread having a larger starting diameter than
the male thread to make engagement easier. Where sealing is of no
consequence they may be used interchangeably. Pipe threads have very
little actual strength to resist bending forces applied at the joint
and the pipes will break off at the fitting when pried, and this is a
quick and easy way to take apart a pipeline. I shudder at the sight of
a huge heavy muffler hanging out at the end of a long horizontal
exhaust pipe. I worked at a place where there was a high school kid
beekeeper next door who made a crane for lifting his beehives in and
out of his pickup truck with the upright and reach arm made out of two
1-1/2? pipes screwed into a 90? elbow. I told him it was going to break
off but you know how high school kids are when listening to adults. A
few days later I saw him loading them by hand again.

Commercially manufactured pipe threads have become the bother,
nuisance, annoyance, irritation, pest, curse, blight, and all around
bane of those who work with threaded pipe joints. I base my deprecatory
litany from having to use commercially manufactured pipe fittings that
quite usually screw together only one or two turns by hand and with a
wrench perhaps three turns before collapsing or tearing off the end of
the pipe (properly cut tapered pipe threads will not strip because of
the thread tips bottoming out and halting rotation due to interference
binding before enough longitudinal force is developed to shear the
thread from its root. Well drilling pipe strings are screwed together
with tapered threads in part because of this feature). Before using
commercially manufactured pipe fittings I chase the threads before
attempting to assemble the parts just as a matter of course. The reason
why commercially manufactured pipe threads are so abominable is because
those who maintain the thread cutting machines at pipe fitting
factories have their necks under the hobnailed boots of the bean
counters who try to strip every last $0.0001 of value from a cutting
tool before discarding it. When the pipe and fitting threading tools
become worn they are re-sharpened far beyond design limits and the
threads produced are outside of specifications for proper fit,
consequently making them unsuitable. So, before buying pipe fittings
screw them together first and if they don?t go five complete turns by
hand they are out of spec. What you do after that is up to you. We all
hear news reports about mysterious gas explosions, ?broken? water
mains, and flooded apartments all the time.

Richard Allen



From yostsw at atis.net  Tue Dec 28 10:42:28 2004
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:42:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holiday Charity Auction
References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200412281342280625.049CF37C@heavyiron.atis.net>

There has been a death in my family and will continue to be out of town for
another few days.  I will post instructions and methods of payments when I
return.

Thanks for your patience,

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Dec 28 10:47:00 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:47:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] NPT taps
In-Reply-To: <11565.199.62.0.252.1104255539.squirrel@admintool.trueband. net>
References: <BAY3-DAV176B83FD8B7DB3CF7F3F34BB990@phx.gbl>
	<46912.199.62.0.252.1104238169.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041228114054.021e63d8@mail.alltel.net>
	<11565.199.62.0.252.1104255539.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041228134632.024d6c48@mail.alltel.net>

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
         Dave

At 12:38 PM 12/28/2004, you wrote:
>nah, we'll just lettum try it :-))
>marv in minn
>
> >
> >>be sure to use a 1/4 turn advance-1/3 turn back motion when taping.
> >>if you keep taping continually without the forward and back motion on the
> >>tap handle, the tap will plug with chips and break. there is no warning
> >>either :-))
> >>marv in minn
> >
> > Hi marve, Do you want to rethink this "1/4 turn advance-1/3 turn back"
> > advice, or shall we just wait and see how many people are unable to keep
> > the tap in the hole while following it?
> >          Dave
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
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From Opencrankman at aol.com  Tue Dec 28 11:59:31 2004
From: Opencrankman at aol.com (Opencrankman at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:59:31 EST
Subject: [SEL] Webster bracket 303M56
Message-ID: <a3.69e0b772.2f031523@aol.com>

I am looking for Webster bracket 303M56 its origanal application was  
Termaat- Manahan Co 
it also was fitted to the Wisconsin pep, The engine i want it for is a  Hobbs 
1 1/2HP O/C made by Frome engineering Frome Somorset England any info or  
help in finding one would be great hope you all had a great christmas.
 
 
 
                                               Thanks Alan


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Dec 28 14:19:33 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:19:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] pipe taps, threads, and fittings
In-Reply-To: <20041228181153.5604.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041228181153.5604.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8D02E6F2-591E-11D9-A1B7-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> Pipe threads used for electrical
> conduit have the same outside diameter and pitch as the starting
> diameter of tapered pipe threads and they will screw together quite
> nicely onto PROPERLY manufactured tapered pipe fittings despite the
> apparent conflict in geometry that indicates that they won?t. This is
> due to the female tapered thread having a larger starting diameter than
> the male thread to make engagement easier. Where sealing is of no
> consequence they may be used interchangeably.

I've been using a 90? elbow of 1 1/2" conduit for Dolly's exhaust for 
quite some time. Works fine with the relatively short length and a 
relatively small, light muffler. (I'm using a Wisconsin muffler now.) I 
used some Teflon sealant on the threads and have no problems with 
leakage.

Good to see you back on the List, Rich!

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA




From jnyost at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 28 15:08:45 2004
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:08:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] NPT taps
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041228134632.024d6c48@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <20041228230845.88217.qmail@web40606.mail.yahoo.com>

Dave,

When I read this I was in my office and started
laughing so hard 3 people came into see what I was
laughing at. I told them and they just stared at me as
if they were saying "What the heck is wrong with him?"
After I explained it then they almost understood.

Jim 8-)))))))))))))))))))))


--- Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:

> ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>          Dave
> 
> At 12:38 PM 12/28/2004, you wrote:
> >nah, we'll just lettum try it :-))
> >marv in minn
> >
> > >
> > >>be sure to use a 1/4 turn advance-1/3 turn back
> motion when taping.
> > >>if you keep taping continually without the
> forward and back motion on the
> > >>tap handle, the tap will plug with chips and
> break. there is no warning
> > >>either :-))
> > >>marv in minn
> > >
> > > Hi marve, Do you want to rethink this "1/4 turn
> advance-1/3 turn back"
> > > advice, or shall we just wait and see how many
> people are unable to keep
> > > the tap in the hole while following it?
> > >          Dave
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > >
>
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
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Utica, Ohio
USA
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Dec 28 15:14:59 2004
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:14:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Crossley before and after
References: <200412280946.iBS9k7So011734@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c4ed33$0dbcab80$966e8645@carolina.rr.com>

Absolutely fabulous!!!!!!  Might even inspire me to finish a few projects.
Mike Royster
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 4:46 AM
Subject: [SEL] Crossley before and after


> I spent this afternoon helping a mate get the bugs out of a newly finished
> Crossley J. It still need some bedding in but it is running quite well.
> Here is what it looked like when purchased:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/milbauct/auct2003_0809AX.JPG
> and here is what it looks like now:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122802.JPG
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122805.JPG
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122806.JPG
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122810.JPG
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>
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From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Tue Dec 28 16:33:16 2004
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 08:33:16 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Back again!
Message-ID: <001201c4ed3d$fdc4af10$f332ecdc@JacksPLEJune2004>

Greetings from a warm-to-hot Perth (Oz) morning on the day-after-the-day-after-Christmas (or is it the day after that? Getting confused already)

I un-subscribed early in the year before going off on a longish car and caravan trip to t'other side of Australia. Now returned and remaking all my old contacts.

So what interesting things have been happening while I was away?

Hope all had a Happy Christmas, and best wishes to all for the New Year.

Jack Watson

From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Dec 28 16:41:04 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:41:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Crossley before and after
In-Reply-To: <41D1534C.3080807@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <200412290041.iBT0f00H054464@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

I have more pictures of the little Crossleys restorations at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/otherengines/pscrossleyjj.html


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 29 04:16:52 2004
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:16:52 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill
Message-ID: <BAY103-F7603838ED5AD4914AFC15C89B0@phx.gbl>

Hi Everybody,

Some might remember a shingle mill I bought a few years ago:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/shinglemill/shinglemill.html

I took it to a building where one of the clubs I belong to meet.  We had a 
work day yesterday with a few others guys and myself. We managed to get the 
blade off. We used one of those impact screwdrivers that twists as you smack 
it with a hammer. We got about half of the screws out and then had to use 
the torch to heat the screws then used water to cool them back off. Most of 
the remaining ones came out with one shot of the torch. The others came out 
with the second dose of heat.  After removing the blade we loosened and 
lubed up all the bolts that adjust the thickness and shape of the shingle. 
Everything is operable now. Next week I will take the blade to a couple 
places to see what it will cost to straighten and sharpen it. I will also 
check on some 6x10 beams for the skids. I will haul it home in the next 
couple months then will wire wheel the rust off, prime, and paint it.  I 
will also have to make a couple new plates of steel that are used to grip 
the log as it is pushed into the blade. I plan on putting it to use this 
year at the Charlton Park show in Hastings, Michigan.  Getting the blade off 
was a major accomplishment!

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Dec 29 06:20:20 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 07:20:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] pipe taps, threads, and fittings
References: <20041228181153.5604.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV2892DFCCF47264E8402FC2BB9B0@phx.gbl>

Thanks for the info Rich.  Friend of mine just built his wife a clothesline 
using 2" Sch. 80 with a "T" at the top.  Time will tell.

A big welcome back from me also.

RickinMt.
PS: Where's your "Work and play safe?"




> Hi, guys,
>
> I have been absent from here for about two years but through the good
> offices of John Culp I have returned. My old Pentium 1 computer was so
> slow I couldn't participate in a lot of things in general on the
> Internet simply because the processor speed was so slow. I upgraded to
> a 2.6 GHz Celeron computer and now it is a lot better, just my
> extremely rural phone line now being the limiting factor by not
> supporting a decent modem speed.
>
> When I use a pipe tap I run it in about half way and then check for
> thread engagement of the fitting of the part that screws into it.
> According to Machinery's Handbook the minimum number of turns of pipe 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Dec 29 06:24:53 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 07:24:53 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Crossley before and after
References: <200412280946.iBS9k7So011734@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV2742254C938B6D0089EB34BB9B0@phx.gbl>

Fantastic piece of machinery and restoration, Patrick.  Congrats to your 
mate and you.

Please define "bedding"

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 2:46 AM
Subject: [SEL] Crossley before and after


> I spent this afternoon helping a mate get the bugs out of a newly finished
> Crossley J. It still need some bedding in but it is running quite well.
> Here is what it looked like when purchased:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/milbauct/auct2003_0809AX.JPG
> and here is what it looks like now:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122802.JPG
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122805.JPG
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122806.JPG
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122810.JPG
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Dec 29 06:40:01 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 07:40:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] For Ted..parkerizing
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV255CF70ADD6C86D373198FBB9B0@phx.gbl>

Hopefully Ted will read this.
  I am in the process of restoring my old "Star" metal lathe.  Some of the 
parts I have foolishly blasted and removed the old finish.

  Some while back (hopefully Ted) had instructions for "Stove top 
parkerizing" but I can't find it now.
Would this be a good process (in black) for a re-finish?

Also need generic? guidelines for setting up the carriage drive gears. 
Would Lindsay be a good place to start and would anyone recommend one of his 
books.


TIA
RickinMt.
http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 


From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Wed Dec 29 08:00:15 2004
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:00:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill
Message-ID: <000401c4edbf$7f900d60$5a680b42@gnarmstrong>

Luke,
  Is it to early to place an order for shingles??       George
-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:20 AM
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill


>Hi Everybody,
>
>Some might remember a shingle mill I bought a few years ago:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/shinglemill/shinglemill.html
>
>I took it to a building where one of the clubs I belong to meet.  We had a
>work day yesterday with a few others guys and myself. We managed to get the
>blade off. We used one of those impact screwdrivers that twists as you
smack
>it with a hammer. We got about half of the screws out and then had to use
>the torch to heat the screws then used water to cool them back off. Most of
>the remaining ones came out with one shot of the torch. The others came out
>with the second dose of heat.  After removing the blade we loosened and
>lubed up all the bolts that adjust the thickness and shape of the shingle.
>Everything is operable now. Next week I will take the blade to a couple
>places to see what it will cost to straighten and sharpen it. I will also
>check on some 6x10 beams for the skids. I will haul it home in the next
>couple months then will wire wheel the rust off, prime, and paint it.  I
>will also have to make a couple new plates of steel that are used to grip
>the log as it is pushed into the blade. I plan on putting it to use this
>year at the Charlton Park show in Hastings, Michigan.  Getting the blade
off
>was a major accomplishment!
>
>Luke Tonneberger
>Rockford, Michigan
>USA
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Dec 29 13:26:18 2004
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:26:18 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Back again!
References: <001201c4ed3d$fdc4af10$f332ecdc@JacksPLEJune2004>
Message-ID: <001b01c4eded$09848b90$80c0ecdc@morris>

Welcome back Jack, are you going to the National

Kerry


> Greetings from a warm-to-hot Perth (Oz) morning on the 
> day-after-the-day-after-Christmas (or is it the day after that? Getting 
> confused already)
>
> I un-subscribed early in the year before going off on a longish car and 
> caravan trip to t'other side of Australia. Now returned and remaking all 
> my old contacts.
>
> So what interesting things have been happening while I was away?
>
> Hope all had a Happy Christmas, and best wishes to all for the New Year.
>
> Jack Watson
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Dec 29 13:32:37 2004
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:32:37 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Crossley before and after
References: <200412280946.iBS9k7So011734@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<BAY3-DAV2742254C938B6D0089EB34BB9B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002401c4eded$eb1599f0$80c0ecdc@morris>

G'Day Rick
It has been great seening the two Crossleys take shape over the last 12 
months

 >
> Please define "bedding"

"Fine tuning" I think it was about the bed (lathe etc) being set up true

Also what one does to a new wife 8-))


Kerry 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Dec 29 14:53:05 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:53:05 EST
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill
Message-ID: <a9.69ca6de6.2f048f51@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/29/2004 7:24:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
flywheelin at hotmail.com writes:

<< We got about half of the screws out and then had to use 
 the torch to heat the screws then used water to cool them back off. >>


The "flame wrench" was a great invention!  Glad it all is working out!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From edstoller at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 29 15:37:02 2004
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:37:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] For Ted..parkerizing
References: <BAY3-DAV255CF70ADD6C86D373198FBB9B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <007201c4edff$51860ec0$8ba89e04@x8h7l9>

Rick,

I can send you pictures when I get home, about 15 January. Glad to here you
are getting it set up.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 9:40 AM
Subject: [SEL] For Ted..parkerizing


> Hopefully Ted will read this.
>   I am in the process of restoring my old "Star" metal lathe.  Some of the
> parts I have foolishly blasted and removed the old finish.
>
>   Some while back (hopefully Ted) had instructions for "Stove top
> parkerizing" but I can't find it now.
> Would this be a good process (in black) for a re-finish?
>
> Also need generic? guidelines for setting up the carriage drive gears.
> Would Lindsay be a good place to start and would anyone recommend one of
his
> books.
>
>
> TIA
> RickinMt.
> http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc
> _______________________________________________




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Dec 29 15:38:08 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:38:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Crossley before and after
In-Reply-To: <002401c4eded$eb1599f0$80c0ecdc@morris>
References: <200412280946.iBS9k7So011734@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>	<BAY3-DAV2742254C938B6D0089EB34BB9B0@phx.gbl>
	<002401c4eded$eb1599f0$80c0ecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <41D33FE0.10001@scrtc.com>



RE:  The Crossley J's, I know where there is a pretty nice one that I 
can trade for.  I like them as they are really a "cute" little hunk of 
iron.  My question is, what are they worth?  Just curious as if I talk 
trade with the gent I need to know what the general value of them are.  
If any one has any thoughts on this, please reply to me off list at my 
email address:

Lcjudge at scrtc.com

Thanks.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Dec 29 16:14:50 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 00:14:50 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill
References: <a9.69ca6de6.2f048f51@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002001c4ee04$9574dbc0$8c9f0952@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Shingle Mill


> In a message dated 12/29/2004 7:24:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
> flywheelin at hotmail.com writes:
> << We got about half of the screws out and then had to use 
>  the torch to heat the screws then used water to cool them back off. >>
> The "flame wrench" was a great invention!  Glad it all is working out!
> Tom Schmutz

The problem is that "The Flame Wench" is the one you
are married to when she finds out how much you spent
on the latest acquisition. 8^)
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Dec 29 20:38:36 2004
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:08:36 +1030
Subject: [SEL] Campbells
Message-ID: <002101c4ee29$6d257e20$39c68890@chaos>

What year are these 2 Campbells ( dscn0052.jpg, dscn0053.jpg ), pre 1929 i 
guess. The sound is good in that large room.
http://www.bwhost.co.uk/miag/pics.htm




From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Dec 30 04:58:48 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:58:48 EST
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill
Message-ID: <2b.69790c99.2f055588@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/29/2004 7:30:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes:

<< The problem is that "The Flame Wench" is the one you
 are married to when she finds out how much you spent
 on the latest acquisition >>


Dave,

Millie, being a nurse, is somewhat understanding about the  monetary problems 
associated with the acquisitions realizing that it is an illness that may 
never be cured.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Dec 30 06:49:42 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:49:42 -0700
Subject: [SEL] For Ted..parkerizing
References: <BAY3-DAV255CF70ADD6C86D373198FBB9B0@phx.gbl>
	<007201c4edff$51860ec0$8ba89e04@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV4EF263610476EAE63572DBB9C0@phx.gbl>

Glad to hear from ya, Ed.  Restoration at this point is a bad term.  Up and 
running would be better.  Problem now is how to mount the so called belt 
mandrel and motor.  Unlike yours there are no provisions for mounting them 
to the lathe.  It might have been line shaft driven in it's younger days. 
Guess I could mount them on the wall behind and above but really didn't want 
to do that.  Spent most of the day yesterday cleaning the lead screw and 
polishing out some dings...and seems a lot smoother now.

  I did by surprize stumble on a book at Tony's site in the UK, but he wants 
42 rockets for it.

  Well overnight we had 3 inches of snow with more on the way so I guess 
it's time to mount the snowplow on the wheeler.

  I'll get some pictures taken and loaded into Webshots.  If anyone can 
trick this baby out, it's the list.

Take Care,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] For Ted..parkerizing


> Rick,
>
> I can send you pictures when I get home, about 15 January. Glad to here 
> you
> are getting it set up.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 9:40 AM
> Subject: [SEL] For Ted..parkerizing
>
>
> > Hopefully Ted will read this.
> >   I am in the process of restoring my old "Star" metal lathe.  Some of 
> > the
> > parts I have foolishly blasted and removed the old finish.
> >
> >   Some while back (hopefully Ted) had instructions for "Stove top
> > parkerizing" but I can't find it now.
> > Would this be a good process (in black) for a re-finish?
> >
> > Also need generic? guidelines for setting up the carriage drive gears.
> > Would Lindsay be a good place to start and would anyone recommend one of
> his
> > books.
> >
> >
> > TIA
> > RickinMt.
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From linstrum55 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 30 10:09:39 2004
From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:09:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Parkerizing, bluing, blacking, & browning iron 
Message-ID: <20041230180939.26078.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com>

Parkerizing, bluing, blacking, and browning of iron and steel use
chemical solutions that react with the iron of the steel alloy to form
extremely hard (on Moh?s scale they are around 7, which = quartz and is
considered suitable for gems) darkly colored insoluble iron compounds
that remain tenaciously attached to the surface. Plain old regular rust
is in this category and forms the actual brown finish originally used
on guns and other tools until around 1850 when developments in modern
chemistry made bluing easy. Parkerizing forms the hard and insoluble
black phosphate of iron, while the others form the various oxides and
hydroxides of iron that are diversely colored black, blue, brown, dark
olive green, deep red, and yellow. Another kind of bluing is from a
class of iron compounds called ?iron Werner coordination complex ions?
and these are a very beautiful deep blue color chemically identical to
Prussian blue. 

My favorite finish is the nearly black metallic graphite luster color
and is the easiest to do. It also forms the hardest surface and resists
minor scratching and abrasion quite well. It is made from 5 pounds of
lye, 2.5 pounds of ammonium nitrate, and a gallon of water. You don?t
need to make up such a large amount if you don?t need to, just use the
same proportions. A United States gallon of water weighs exactly 8-1/3
pounds if you want to make up the solution strictly by using weight.
Although not poisonous in its final form, it is VERY dangerous to mix
and MUST be done using gloves outside while wearing goggles to protect
your eyes. SLOWLY add the ammonium nitrate into the water, stir, and
then SLOWLY add in the lye about ? cup at a time while continuing the
stirring. It will get very hot and if the lye is added too fast it will
explode from the steam that forms. Lots of ammonia gas will be
produced, too. After it is cool you can boil your iron parts in the
solution. It acts very fast to make the black finish but the longer it
is in the solution the thicker it will be. After boiling for ten
minutes up to perhaps an hour wash the parts off in cold water.

The standard Parkerizing solution is made from 365 grains of commercial
phosphoric acid ?syrup? (also called orthophosphoric acid syrup), 22
grains of manganese dioxide, and a quart of distilled water. The parts
are boiled in the solution for 4 hours and then rinsed in warm water
for a few minutes followed by soaking in baking soda solution for a few
minutes to kill any remaining solution. Distilled water can be added
during the boiling to keep up the level if it loses more than a third
of its volume. A Jerry-rigged Parkerizing solution can be made from 2
tablespoons of phosphoric acid, a tablespoon of iron filings, and the
black pasty contents of one new ?D? or ?C? size zinc-carbon (not an
alkaline!)  flashlight battery mixed in a quart of water. The
phosphoric acid can be obtained from a paint supply store and is used
for treating steel before painting. The commercial acid is called Metal
Etch, but that stuff is usually pretty dilute. Parkerizing makes a flat
black or very dull dark gray color.

The brown color can be made by keeping the steel parts in clay-type cat
litter damped with weak salt or ammonium nitrate solution. This is just
plain old rust, so don?t get the idea that this is something fancy!
Every few days the parts need to be removed and then wire brushed or
rubbed down with steel wool to keep the surface from getting grainy.
When done the parts have to be rinsed off with lots of warm water and
after drying the metal can be protected with car wax, linseed oil,
floor wax, etc.

The deep blue color can be made by keeping the steel parts in a damp
pasty gruel made from pulverized oak leaves for a few weeks. I don?t
know if dead dry or fresh green leaves work better. A paste made from
green avocado tree leaves will also work. Like for making the brown
finish, every few days the parts need to be removed and then wire
brushed or rubbed down with steel wool to keep the surface from getting
grainy. When done the parts have to be rinsed off with lots of warm
water and after drying the metal can be protected with car wax, linseed
oil, floor wax, etc. Boiling in a stew of oak leaves and galls will
also work but I don?t have any specific instructions on how that is
done.

The commercial cold bluing solutions contain selenium salts and are
downright deadly if mishandled and selenium poisoning has no antidote! 
The ingredients to make solutions for the other colors are all pretty
hard to get and are dangerous as well, and consequently I leave that
stuff alone. 

Work and play safely (thanks, Rick!),

Richard Allen



From dcox at triad.rr.com  Thu Dec 30 11:33:47 2004
From: dcox at triad.rr.com (Dallas Cox)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:33:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] JC Chimney 
Message-ID: <006601c4eea6$7bd11ba0$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA>

I need a hot tube chimney for a 20 HP JC, it has a bracket on the back
that goes over the pedestal that supports the chimney.
Thanks for any help locating one.

Everyone have a safe and HAPPY NEW YEAR.

Dallas
















From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Dec 30 14:25:14 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:25:14 EST
Subject: [SEL] electrical help OT
Message-ID: <45.1e967239.2f05da4a@aol.com>

I am in need of some electrical help concerning high powered electrical 
cattle fence charger (7000 volts dc) feeding back on the telephone line and also 
the main house power.  If anyone has any knowledge of these fence charger 
problems I would like to converse directly and explain all I know and what we have 
done trying to cure the problem.  The problem is "ticking" charger pulses on 
the phone line that in turn affects computer modem.   

Thanks,
 

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Dec 30 14:26:58 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 09:26:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] White engine
In-Reply-To: <002a01c4eccf$988bca20$3485dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <200412302226.iBUMQnVZ021224@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

It is good to hear that the White is finally running. It will be an
interesting item at the next rally. The horizontal White's are rare enough
but the vertical is in a league of its own :)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----

Hi people.Brock has asked me to let all know that he has got his side shaft
vertical White up and going at last.He phoned me yesterday so that I could
here it running and again today after he had done some fine tuning and it is
sounding great.His puter is out of action and won't be fixed for about a
week.He has assured me that he will post some pics when he is back on
line.This is one rare and desirable engine and he has done a fine job from
very sad beginnings.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au





From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Thu Dec 30 15:07:45 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 23:07:45 +0000
Subject: [SEL] electrical help OT
In-Reply-To: <45.1e967239.2f05da4a@aol.com>
References: <45.1e967239.2f05da4a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <s829t0p2geq2bevkg7cl2i780ob1hqd6g6@4ax.com>

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:25:14 EST, you wrote:

>I am in need of some electrical help concerning high powered electrical 
>cattle fence charger (7000 volts dc) feeding back on the telephone line and also 
>the main house power.  If anyone has any knowledge of these fence charger 
>problems I would like to converse directly and explain all I know and what we have 
>done trying to cure the problem.  The problem is "ticking" charger pulses on 
>the phone line that in turn affects computer modem.   
>
>Thanks,
> 
>
>Tom Schmutz

Tom:

The fence units have a battery which charges up a capacitor through a bit of
electrickery, and the capacitor is discharged through the coil (like a car
ignition coil) which gives the highvoltage pulse. The electric fence acts as an
aerial and away you go...

The pulse is such a low frequency that almost any radio or TV will pick it up as
interference. Because they are usually out in fields away from houses, they
don't cause a problem, but using them on a mains power supply instead of a
battery can cause mains-borne interference problems.

We have a couple which we used to use to keep the hosses inside a fenced area,
but don't use them now.

Peter




From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Dec 30 16:15:13 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:15:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] electrical help OT
In-Reply-To: <45.1e967239.2f05da4a@aol.com>
References: <45.1e967239.2f05da4a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041230190750.024f5d10@mail.alltel.net>

At 05:25 PM 12/30/2004, you wrote:
>I am in need of some electrical help concerning high powered electrical
>cattle fence charger (7000 volts dc) feeding back on the telephone line 
>and also
>the main house power.  If anyone has any knowledge of these fence charger
>problems I would like to converse directly and explain all I know and what 
>we have
>done trying to cure the problem.  The problem is "ticking" charger pulses on
>the phone line that in turn affects computer modem.
>Thanks,
>Tom Schmutz

Hi Tom,
         The first thing you need to do is to determine is if it is REALLY 
the charger that is causing the problem. This is easy to do. First, be sure 
that the fencer is plugged in. Second, urinate directly on the fence 
wire--this works best if the ground is a bit damp. Once you have performed 
this simple test, let me know the results and I'll advise you as to the 
next step in the procedure.
         Dave 



From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Thu Dec 30 16:28:27 2004
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:28:27 -0800
Subject: [SEL] electrical help OT
References: <45.1e967239.2f05da4a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002f01c4eecf$a7233580$0eff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Go to your local electronic junk store and buy a couple of toroids.  About a
1/2 inch section and 2 or 3 inches in dia. Wrap 25 so turns around the core
and see if that does not make a huge reduction. No hard and fast rules here
try several sizes of toroid and vary the number of turns.  the more the
better more or less. Try this on the power line to the charger and the modem
line.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 2:25 PM
Subject: [SEL] electrical help OT


> I am in need of some electrical help concerning high powered electrical
> cattle fence charger (7000 volts dc) feeding back on the telephone line
and also
> the main house power.  If anyone has any knowledge of these fence charger
> problems I would like to converse directly and explain all I know and what
we have
> done trying to cure the problem.  The problem is "ticking" charger pulses
on
> the phone line that in turn affects computer modem.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec 30 16:52:09 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:52:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Parkerizing, bluing, blacking, & browning iron 
In-Reply-To: <20041230180939.26078.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041230180939.26078.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3313B970-5AC6-11D9-AEF7-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> My favorite finish is the nearly black metallic graphite luster color
> and is the easiest to do. It also forms the hardest surface and resists
> minor scratching and abrasion quite well. It is made from 5 pounds of
> lye, 2.5 pounds of ammonium nitrate, and a gallon of water. You don?t
> need to make up such a large amount if you don?t need to, just use the
> same proportions. A United States gallon of water weighs exactly 8-1/3
> pounds if you want to make up the solution strictly by using weight.
> Although not poisonous in its final form, it is VERY dangerous to mix
> and MUST be done using gloves outside while wearing goggles to protect
> your eyes. SLOWLY add the ammonium nitrate into the water, stir, and
> then SLOWLY add in the lye about ? cup at a time while continuing the
> stirring. It will get very hot and if the lye is added too fast it will
> explode from the steam that forms. Lots of ammonia gas will be
> produced, too.

Be very aware of the wind direction and stay upwind of the pot the 
whole time this solution's being mixed, or you'll instantly regret it.

These days, it'd be a good idea to wait till the neighbors are gone 
before you do it. A strong smell of ammonia coming from your property 
is likely to get you raided by cowboy drug cops with guns drawn, who'll 
think you're cooking "meth."

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA




From driggars at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 30 18:14:43 2004
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:14:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] electrical help OT
References: <45.1e967239.2f05da4a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <017101c4eede$7e8348e0$06438304@clinton>


Tom

makesure the ground rod for the fence charger is far away from any lines going to
the house

Clint




> I am in need of some electrical help concerning high powered electrical
> cattle fence charger (7000 volts dc) feeding back on the telephone line and also
> the main house power.  If anyone has any knowledge of these fence charger
> problems I would like to converse directly and explain all I know and what we
have
> done trying to cure the problem.  The problem is "ticking" charger pulses on
> the phone line that in turn affects computer modem.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From bboyce at swat.coop  Thu Dec 30 20:22:48 2004
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:22:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] electrical help OT
References: <45.1e967239.2f05da4a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001401c4eef0$62e87620$6401a8c0@BillyBob>

tom,,,, we've used fencers for years here on the place, and have 2  working
now,,,, the most common cause of what you've described is the fence wire
finding a ground somewhere and making an arc,,,, a limb or blade of grass
touching,,, a small twig blown from a tree and landed on the fence then
touching the ground,, a broken or cracked insulator,these can be real hard
to locate if they are just barely cracked and letting the wire ground to the
post,,,,an arc will certainly cause static,,,,,,to try and locate a broken
insulater,  i have used the radio in the pick-up truck,,, turn it to a spot
not on a station, turn the volume up, and drive along the fence,, as you
near the problem, the static will get louder and louder,,, not very high
tech, but it has worked for me,,,,,however, if you disconnect the fence
wires from the charger and it still causes static when its on, then there is
a problem with the fencer itself...hope this helps,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 4:25 PM
Subject: [SEL] electrical help OT


> I am in need of some electrical help concerning high powered electrical
> cattle fence charger (7000 volts dc) feeding back on the telephone line
and also
> the main house power.  If anyone has any knowledge of these fence charger
> problems I would like to converse directly and explain all I know and what
we have
> done trying to cure the problem.  The problem is "ticking" charger pulses
on
> the phone line that in turn affects computer modem.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Dec 31 04:31:55 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 23:31:55 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Last for 2004
Message-ID: <200412311231.iBVCVjos020962@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Today was the last engine day for 2004. Ron and I continued to work on the
two little 3hp Australs. We finally removed the piston from the 2nd engine
using a combination of lots of heat, a hydraulic puller, and a big
sledgehammer. All this took about 4 hours and we pretty much had to
completely strip the engine in the process. Both of the 3hp engines have had
the removable valve chambers broken. One has both the air valve and exhaust
valve chambers broken while the other has the air valve only broken. Ron has
managed to get hold of a repaired air valve chamber and his engine has a
good exhaust valve chamber so it looks like we are off to the foundry again.
I also gave a couple of engines a bit of a run. The 5.5hp Buzacott started
first try (on stale fuel) and ran like a clock. I also gave the 5hp Bartram
a run just as the sun was setting. It started the slightest roll of the
flywheels and its steady rhythm  made a nice end to 2004.
Happy New Year (well in 1/2 an hour) from Oz!
I will have to run a couple of engines in the morning to ring in the new
year ;)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From oldengines at bigpond.com  Fri Dec 31 05:06:17 2004
From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron & Liz Sullivan)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:06:17 +1100
Subject: [SEL] HAPPY NEW YEAR
Message-ID: <003f01c4ef39$893e6ac0$ea1d8a90@ronliz1>

Hope all on the list have a safe and prosperous New Year

From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Dec 31 05:25:54 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:25:54 +1100
Subject: [SEL] HAPPY NEW YEAR
In-Reply-To: <003f01c4ef39$893e6ac0$ea1d8a90@ronliz1>
Message-ID: <200412311325.iBVDPhPK043004@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Happy New Year! The fireworks were nice and loud this year. They just about
had the windows rattling :)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----

Hope all on the list have a safe and prosperous New Year
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Fri Dec 31 05:29:37 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:29:37 +0100
Subject: [SEL] HNY to OZ
Message-ID: <001101c4ef3c$c6451970$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

All the OZ list members HAPPY NEW YEAR.
With lots of good health and old iron.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web

PS. The rest have to wait a little :o)



From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Dec 30 12:37:44 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:37:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question
Message-ID: <20041231.095955.1208.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi List,

I had an engine running with a coil & battery.
The coil was from a Techumsa ???  The battery - a small gell filled 12V.

 Once I got the engine running, I decided to "Streamline" by taking the
iron frame from around & through the coil.  

After hooking it back up - I didn't seem to be getting much spark -  When
all of a sudden 
a loud SNAP !!!  and SMOKE - (The coil blew up.)

Question :::  Does a coil NEED the iron core running throught the middle
to work properly ?

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
 \/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From BillMil357 at aol.com  Fri Dec 31 07:07:37 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 10:07:37 EST
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question
Message-ID: <e4.5fbce651.2f06c539@aol.com>

Hey PIP,
 
You got it right, that coil will smoke in a few seconds with out the iron  in 
the middle, just like a solenoid valve, you lift the coil off the stem and it 
 will burn out, it has to have the stem through it to operate right.
 
Happy New Year,
 
Bill Miller.


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Dec 31 08:00:57 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:00:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question
Message-ID: <20041231.110348.1208.14.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Bill - 

Live & Learn - 

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
 \/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From prepair at easynet.co.uk  Fri Dec 31 08:08:41 2004
From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:08:41 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question
In-Reply-To: <20041231.095955.1208.0.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20041231.095955.1208.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <53uat09mp9gqon29bk7s90askmgrd2tsc6@4ax.com>

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:37:44 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi List,
>
>I had an engine running with a coil & battery.
>The coil was from a Techumsa ???  The battery - a small gell filled 12V.
>
> Once I got the engine running, I decided to "Streamline" by taking the
>iron frame from around & through the coil.  
>
>After hooking it back up - I didn't seem to be getting much spark -  When
>all of a sudden 
>a loud SNAP !!!  and SMOKE - (The coil blew up.)
>
>Question :::  Does a coil NEED the iron core running throught the middle
>to work properly ?

'Fraid so, the inductor is just a resistance wire on DC supplies, so
it just overheats and burns up, same as a standard coil will if you
leave it connected and the points closed with the battery connected.

The core just transfers the magnetic field when you break the points
and collapse the magnetic circuit. No core, no spark, or a very weak
one as there is 'some' transfer of magnetism, even with an air-cored
coil.

Engine is a Tecumseh?

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK
prepair at easynet.co.uk
http://www.prepair.co.uk




From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Dec 31 08:38:14 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:38:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question
In-Reply-To: <20041231.095955.1208.0.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20041231.095955.1208.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041231113438.023e9650@mail.alltel.net>

At 03:37 PM 12/30/2004, you wrote:
>Hi List,
>I had an engine running with a coil & battery.
>The coil was from a Techumsa ???  The battery - a small gell filled 12V.
>  Once I got the engine running, I decided to "Streamline" by taking the
>iron frame from around & through the coil.
>After hooking it back up - I didn't seem to be getting much spark -  When
>all of a sudden
>a loud SNAP !!!  and SMOKE - (The coil blew up.)
>Question :::  Does a coil NEED the iron core running throught the middle
>to work properly ?
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that.

Hi Joe,
         Once the iron bar is removed it allows the smoke to escape. Since 
a coil needs smoke in order to operate properly you now need to find a new 
coil. Hope that this helps and HAPPY NEW YEAR!
         Dave
PS, Once the smoke escapes from a coil it can not be reinstalled properly.



From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Fri Dec 31 08:50:17 2004
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:50:17 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question
In-Reply-To: <20041231.095955.1208.0.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20041231.095955.1208.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <xnQ2yD5JNY1BFwyB@loud-n-clear.net>

In message <20041231.095955.1208.0.jlb94 at juno.com>, jlb94 at juno.com
writes
>
>I had an engine running with a coil & battery.
>The coil was from a Techumsa ???  The battery - a small gell filled 12V.
>
> Once I got the engine running, I decided to "Streamline" by taking the
>iron frame from around & through the coil.
>
>After hooking it back up - I didn't seem to be getting much spark -  When
>all of a sudden
>a loud SNAP !!!  and SMOKE - (The coil blew up.)
>
>Question :::  Does a coil NEED the iron core running throught the middle
>to work properly ?
>

Apparently so...

Paraphrased slightly from

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/igcoil.html

 and

http://www.tortech.com.au/toranalysis.html

"The primary winding of an ignition coil is wound with a small number of
turns and has a small resistance. Applying the battery to a coil causes
a sizeable DC current to flow (Ohm's law) even though it has a
significant inductance which slows the increase of that current to its
maximum value. The secondary coil has a much larger number of turns and
therefore acts as a step-up transformer. But instead of operating on AC
voltages, a coil is designed to produce a large voltage spike when the
current in the primary winding is interrupted. Since the induced
secondary voltage is proportional to the rate of change of the magnetic
field through it, opening a switch quickly in the primary circuit to
drop the current to zero will generate a large voltage in the secondary
coil according to Faraday's Law. The large voltage causes a spark across
the gap of the sparking plug to ignite the fuel mixture.

The current in the primary winding is caused to drop to zero quickly by
the opening of a switch. This causes the magnetic field in the primary
winding to drop rapidly, generating a large voltage in the secondary
winding. The generated voltage is proportional to the rate of change of
the magnetic field according to Faraday's Law, and the amount of change
is multiplied by the effect of the iron core in the coil."

"The difference between air and iron for magnetic permeability is about
4,000", meaning that it requires 4,000 times more magnetizing force to
create the same magnetic field strength in a given volume of air than in
the same volume of iron.  The magnetizing force is a direct linear
function of the current that flows in the primary winding, i.e., twice
the current, twice the magnetizing force.  However the heating effect of
the current rises as the square of the current - twice the current, four
times the heating effect, three times the current, nine times the heat,
and so on.

Your coil might have blown up just as easily with the iron in it as
without, though.  Did the Tecumseh engine it came from have a battery or
was the coil energised from a flywheel dynamo or magnet?  I'm betting
that the coil was not designed to see a 12V lead-acid cell connected
across it for any length of time and was originally designed to operate
with either a flywheel dynamo/magnet or points-based or Hall effect
ignition, any of which would have interrupted the current and reduced
the effective heating (low duty cycle).  The original circuit may also
have included a ballast resistor to limit the current seen by the coil.

Happy New Year to one and all!

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales


From solarrog at pacbell.net  Fri Dec 31 10:05:37 2004
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 10:05:37 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question
References: <20041231.095955.1208.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <01ee01c4ef63$54edae00$99007643@solar>

Yes, You create a magnetic field in the  laminates using the primary
windings, and then collapse it to induce your spark from the secondary
windings.
and 12 volts is a bit much for a coil
try a resister in series to lower the voltage.
good luck with it.

Roger DiRuscio,  Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont
Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor
scooters and bicycle motors. Pivate pilot 1981.  Fremont,Ca 94555
510-797-4000
Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly
web site.     scrapologist.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 12:37 PM
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question


> Hi List,
>
> I had an engine running with a coil & battery.
> The coil was from a Techumsa ???  The battery - a small gell filled 12V.
>
>  Once I got the engine running, I decided to "Streamline" by taking the
> iron frame from around & through the coil.
>
> After hooking it back up - I didn't seem to be getting much spark -  When
> all of a sudden
> a loud SNAP !!!  and SMOKE - (The coil blew up.)
>
> Question :::  Does a coil NEED the iron core running throught the middle
> to work properly ?
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com
>  ,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
>  \/)"(\/         people might not know the difference."
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Dec 31 10:03:20 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:03:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question
Message-ID: <20041231.130337.884.6.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Peter,

Nice sites also.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/igcoil.html
 
and
 
http://www.tortech.com.au/toranalysis.html

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
 \/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Dec 31 10:00:52 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:00:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coil
Message-ID: <20041231.130337.884.5.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Peter,

Thanks for your info.  
I can't say I know much about a coil - but I tend to learn the hard way.

Engine is a Tecumseh?
=        =        =        

No --- The engine isn't a Tecumseh - I was using the coil to run a Briggs
WI that has a 
bad coil.  I hooked it up to run on a battery & coil.  Runs nice too !

Luckly, I have another coil. But that's on my Harley.

Thanks again. - 

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
 \/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz

From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Dec 31 09:58:49 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:58:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question
Message-ID: <20041231.130337.884.4.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Joe,
         Once the iron bar is removed it allows the smoke to escape. 

Hi Dave - 

DAMN !!! I knew there had to be a reason for that iron bar - I took it
out and it let all the smoke out.  It also got hot.  So I Ass Ume it
holds the heat in also.

Happy New Year - 

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
 \/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From MBellar at aol.com  Fri Dec 31 10:32:07 2004
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:32:07 EST
Subject: [SEL] electrical help OT
Message-ID: <1cb.2e238424.2f06f527@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/30/2004 5:34:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
Germoamer at aol.com writes:

The problem is "ticking" charger pulses on 
the phone line that in turn affects computer modem.   


Tom;
We have been using high power energizers to keep our livestock home and 
predators (2 and 4 legged) away for over 30 years. The best charger that I have 
used is a top of the line Gallagher which has built in radio frequency 
interference filters. I have found that as the load on the fence increases there is a 
likelihood of interference being detected by near by audio circuits. This can be 
minimized by installing additional eight foot long ground rods on ten foot 
intervals hopefully in a damp area. These energizer grounds must not be 
installed near under ground water pipes or electrical service, telephone or cable 
grounds. I can usually tell when our fence is shorted out or carrying a heavy wet 
weed load by the intensity of the "ticking" heard from our intercom that goes 
out to the barn.

Tom Bellar
 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Dec 31 10:49:04 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:49:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Parkerizing, bluing, blacking, & browning iron
References: <20041230180939.26078.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV3237E7EBD2F25E9278C146BB9D0@phx.gbl>

Thanks very much for taking the time to explain, Rich!!!  I will probably 
have to wait until warmer weather as it's around zero now.

  I wouldn't have a clue as where to look for ammonium nitrate...sounds 
scary.  Also it looks like the parts have to be immersed, other than cold 
bluing.  Will this in anyway affect the precison surfaces on the lathe and 
associated parts?  I would completely disassemble the tail stock and any 
other assemblies.

Here's a webshots album with pictures of the lathe and the accessories...and 
then of course the batteries in the camera gave up the ghost.  Don't have a 
clue why the bed and ways are green in the picture.

http://community.webshots.com/album/240686847gnCbuk

Thanks again!  Happy New Year everyone!!

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Allen" <linstrum55 at yahoo.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 11:09 AM
Subject: [SEL] Parkerizing, bluing, blacking, & browning iron


> Parkerizing, bluing, blacking, and browning of iron and steel use
> chemical solutions that react with the iron of the steel alloy to form
> extremely hard (on Moh's scale they are around 7, which = quartz and is
> considered suitable for gems) darkly colored insoluble iron compounds
> that remain tenaciously attached to the surface. Plain old regular rust
> is in this category and forms the actual brown finish originally used
> on guns and other tools until around 1850 when developments in modern
> chemistry made bluing easy. Parkerizing forms the hard and insoluble
> black phosphate of iron, while the others form the various oxides and
> hydroxides of iron that are diversely colored black, blue, brown, dark
> olive green, deep red, and yellow. Another kind of bluing is from a
> class of iron compounds called "iron Werner coordination complex ions"
> and these are a very beautiful deep blue color chemically identical to
> Prussian blue.
>
> My favorite finish is the nearly black metallic graphite luster color
> and is the easiest to do. It also forms the hardest surface and resists
> minor scratching and abrasion quite well. It is made from 5 pounds of
> lye, 2.5 pounds of ammonium nitrate, and a gallon of water. You don't
> need to make up such a large amount if you don't need to, just use the
> same proportions. A United States gallon of water weighs exactly 8-1/3
> pounds if you want to make up the solution strictly by using weight.
> Although not poisonous in its final form, it is VERY dangerous to mix
> and MUST be done using gloves outside while wearing goggles to protect
> your eyes. SLOWLY add the ammonium nitrate into the water, stir, and
> then SLOWLY add in the lye about ? cup at a time while continuing the
> stirring. It will get very hot and if the lye is added too fast it will
> explode from the steam that forms. Lots of ammonia gas will be
> produced, too. After it is cool you can boil your iron parts in the
> solution. It acts very fast to make the black finish but the longer it
> is in the solution the thicker it will be. After boiling for ten
> minutes up to perhaps an hour wash the parts off in cold water.
>
> The standard Parkerizing solution is made from 365 grains of commercial
> phosphoric acid "syrup" (also called orthophosphoric acid syrup), 22
> grains of manganese dioxide, and a quart of distilled water. The parts
> are boiled in the solution for 4 hours and then rinsed in warm water
> for a few minutes followed by soaking in baking soda solution for a few
> minutes to kill any remaining solution. Distilled water can be added
> during the boiling to keep up the level if it loses more than a third
> of its volume. A Jerry-rigged Parkerizing solution can be made from 2
> tablespoons of phosphoric acid, a tablespoon of iron filings, and the
> black pasty contents of one new "D" or "C" size zinc-carbon (not an
> alkaline!)  flashlight battery mixed in a quart of water. The
> phosphoric acid can be obtained from a paint supply store and is used
> for treating steel before painting. The commercial acid is called Metal
> Etch, but that stuff is usually pretty dilute. Parkerizing makes a flat
> black or very dull dark gray color.
>
> The brown color can be made by keeping the steel parts in clay-type cat
> litter damped with weak salt or ammonium nitrate solution. This is just
> plain old rust, so don't get the idea that this is something fancy!
> Every few days the parts need to be removed and then wire brushed or
> rubbed down with steel wool to keep the surface from getting grainy.
> When done the parts have to be rinsed off with lots of warm water and
> after drying the metal can be protected with car wax, linseed oil,
> floor wax, etc.
>
> The deep blue color can be made by keeping the steel parts in a damp
> pasty gruel made from pulverized oak leaves for a few weeks. I don't
> know if dead dry or fresh green leaves work better. A paste made from
> green avocado tree leaves will also work. Like for making the brown
> finish, every few days the parts need to be removed and then wire
> brushed or rubbed down with steel wool to keep the surface from getting
> grainy. When done the parts have to be rinsed off with lots of warm
> water and after drying the metal can be protected with car wax, linseed
> oil, floor wax, etc. Boiling in a stew of oak leaves and galls will
> also work but I don't have any specific instructions on how that is
> done.
>
> The commercial cold bluing solutions contain selenium salts and are
> downright deadly if mishandled and selenium poisoning has no antidote!
> The ingredients to make solutions for the other colors are all pretty
> hard to get and are dangerous as well, and consequently I leave that
> stuff alone.
>
> Work and play safely (thanks, Rick!),
>
> Richard Allen
>
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From christison at coastalnet.com  Fri Dec 31 10:52:04 2004
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:52:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Another mystery engine
Message-ID: <410-220041253118524562@coastalnet.com>


Dick Welty of Temecula, California sent me some pictures of a neat little 
mystery engine.  I made a simple page with the pertinent information and
it can be accessed at: 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/welty/

Wishing everybody a Happy New Year!!

Ken Christison
Conway, NC
www.oldiron-nut.com




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Fri Dec 31 11:02:02 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:02:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Parkerizing, bluing, blacking, & browning iron
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV3237E7EBD2F25E9278C146BB9D0@phx.gbl>
References: <20041230180939.26078.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com>
	<BAY3-DAV3237E7EBD2F25E9278C146BB9D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <74DEBF76-5B5E-11D9-ACDD-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

>   I wouldn't have a clue as where to look for ammonium nitrate...sounds
> scary.

Fertilizer store. 50 lb. bags.

I for one wouldn't want to try to immerse a lathe (which would first 
have to be absolutely perfectly degreased) in a 300?F bath of caustic 
bluing salts. Bluing's not that great as rust protection, anyway.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA




From solarrog at pacbell.net  Fri Dec 31 11:22:21 2004
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:22:21 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Another mystery engine
References: <410-220041253118524562@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <039c01c4ef6e$0d55bbe0$99007643@solar>

Dick the pictures are not showing.
can you fix that?

Roger DiRuscio,  Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont
Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor
scooters and bicycle motors. Pivate pilot 1981.  Fremont,Ca 94555
510-797-4000
Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly
web site.     scrapologist.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Christison" <christison at coastalnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"stationary-engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 10:52 AM
Subject: [SEL] Another mystery engine


>
> Dick Welty of Temecula, California sent me some pictures of a neat little
> mystery engine.  I made a simple page with the pertinent information and
> it can be accessed at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/welty/
>
> Wishing everybody a Happy New Year!!
>
> Ken Christison
> Conway, NC
> www.oldiron-nut.com
>
>
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Dec 31 11:14:32 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:14:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question
Message-ID: <20041231.141628.860.11.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Roger,

I'm getting quite a response from my stupid move.

But - I've always tended to learn the hard way.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
\/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Dec 31 11:22:42 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:22:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Another mystery engine
In-Reply-To: <410-220041253118524562@coastalnet.com>
References: <410-220041253118524562@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <41D5A702.1090304@scrtc.com>

Ken,

    Never saw one like that.  I would bet that it was a shop built or 
school project engine.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Ken Christison wrote:

>Dick Welty of Temecula, California sent me some pictures of a neat little 
>mystery engine.  I made a simple page with the pertinent information and
>it can be accessed at: 
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/welty/
>
>Wishing everybody a Happy New Year!!
>
>Ken Christison
>Conway, NC
>www.oldiron-nut.com
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>




From christison at coastalnet.com  Fri Dec 31 11:28:07 2004
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:28:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Another mystery engine
Message-ID: <410-220041253119287234@coastalnet.com>

Try this Roger: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/welty/

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Roger DiRuscio <solarrog at pacbell.net>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 12/31/2004 2:20:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Another mystery engine
>
> Dick the pictures are not showing.
> can you fix that?





From christison at coastalnet.com  Fri Dec 31 11:37:08 2004
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:37:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Another mystery engine
Message-ID: <410-220041253119378734@coastalnet.com>

Tommy,

I was also thinking of that, thinking perhaps it was built for
a special application since the flywheel hangs out there a 
pretty long way.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 12/31/2004 2:26:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Another mystery engine
>
> Ken,
>
>     Never saw one like that.  I would bet that it was a shop built or 
> school project engine.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY






From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com  Fri Dec 31 14:01:23 2004
From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:01:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question
In-Reply-To: <20041231.095955.1208.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0412311648490.24123-100000@andrew2.netpluscom.com>

The core acts as cooling and as a conductor of the magnetic fields
generatoed by the coil of wire.
Now, a coil of wire will have a certain amount of resistance based on the
length and size, but when an electric current is applied to that coil the
resistance changes because of the electro-magnetic field acting on it. The
core helps conduct the magnetic field, the resistance gets higher causing
the coil to draw less current. It's called inductance, Now when you
remove that core it changes the pattern of concentration of the magnetic
field, (it would be weeker at the points where it needs to be
concentrated). When that happens then the design resistance of the coil
drops, it draws more current until it finally just burns up. Strange huh?

>From Andrew at
tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com
engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com
b10730 at hotmail.com

Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/
http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 jlb94 at juno.com wrote:

> Hi List,
>
> I had an engine running with a coil & battery.
> The coil was from a Techumsa ???  The battery - a small gell filled 12V.
>
>  Once I got the engine running, I decided to "Streamline" by taking the
> iron frame from around & through the coil.
>
> After hooking it back up - I didn't seem to be getting much spark -  When
> all of a sudden
> a loud SNAP !!!  and SMOKE - (The coil blew up.)
>
> Question :::  Does a coil NEED the iron core running throught the middle
> to work properly ?
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com
>  ,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
>  \/)"(\/         people might not know the difference."
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Dec 31 12:03:20 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:03:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Parkerizing/now bombs
In-Reply-To: <74DEBF76-5B5E-11D9-ACDD-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
References: <20041230180939.26078.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com>
	<BAY3-DAV3237E7EBD2F25E9278C146BB9D0@phx.gbl>
	<74DEBF76-5B5E-11D9-ACDD-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041231150205.023eb528@mail.alltel.net>

At 02:02 PM 12/31/2004, you wrote:
>>   I wouldn't have a clue as where to look for ammonium nitrate...sounds
>>scary.
>
>Fertilizer store. 50 lb. bags.
>
>John Culp

Kero can, then, be purchased at the nearest gas station!
         Dave 



From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Dec 31 11:16:04 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:16:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year
Message-ID: <20041231.141628.860.12.jlb94@juno.com>


Wishing everyone a HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!
From:   Joe & Sylvia Betz


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
 \/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz

From cjclem at sysim.net  Fri Dec 31 12:55:49 2004
From: cjclem at sysim.net (John)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:55:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Engines & Engineers Magazine?
Message-ID: <1104526549.41d5bcd5ecd35@webmail.sysim.net>

As a subscriber to this today I rec'd letter stating sold to Maryland 
person & also noting that last 2 issues didn't get published. Does 
anyone know what situation is with the former publishing company??  
First, I heard of it??



From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Dec 31 13:28:37 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:28:37 EST
Subject: [SEL] electrical help OT
Message-ID: <146.3b68b63b.2f071e85@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/30/2004 7:19:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rotigel at alltel.net writes:

<< Second, urinate directly on the fence 
 wire--this works best if the ground is a bit damp. >>


Dave,

Much thanks for the advice, however I am ahead of you.  Due to somewhat old 
age creeping in and things changing, I have found that going out to the fence 
with bare feet and grabbing it I am instantaneously "charged" and run back into 
the house and into bed and hope it lasts lone enough to be rewarding!!!!  HA!

To all others that have replied, thanks and I am compiling of all things done 
to date and the results and will forward them to you.  Problem not solved 
yet, but learning more each day.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Dec 31 14:05:52 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:05:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Don't look until 15 seconds before the New Year!
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041231170543.021bcec0@mail.alltel.net>

See: http://web.icq.com/friendship/swf/0,,16961_rs,00.swf 



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Fri Dec 31 15:01:23 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:01:23 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Happy 2005
Message-ID: <001301c4ef8c$a6495460$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

All the best wishes for the New Year.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web




From solarrog at pacbell.net  Fri Dec 31 15:23:57 2004
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:23:57 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Another mystery engine
References: <410-220041253119287234@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <006d01c4ef8f$cdddbf40$d5037643@solar>

I dont understand it, I can get to the website and read the text, But no
pictures or links are shown, and yes I did turn off my Norton security. it
still didnt work
I WANTA SEE TOO!!!!!!!

Roger DiRuscio,  Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont
Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor
scooters and bicycle motors. Pivate pilot 1981.  Fremont,Ca 94555
510-797-4000
Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly
web site.     scrapologist.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Christison" <christison at coastalnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Another mystery engine


> Try this Roger: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/welty/
>
> Ken
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Roger DiRuscio <solarrog at pacbell.net>
> > To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 12/31/2004 2:20:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Another mystery engine
> >
> > Dick the pictures are not showing.
> > can you fix that?
>
>
>
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>




From solarrog at pacbell.net  Fri Dec 31 15:26:48 2004
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:26:48 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question
References: <20041231.141628.860.11.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <008101c4ef90$3378cb60$d5037643@solar>

Ah Yes the school of hard knocks
I done been there my self and have a deegree
lol

Roger DiRuscio,  Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont
Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor
scooters and bicycle motors. Pivate pilot 1981.  Fremont,Ca 94555
510-797-4000 
Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly
web site.     scrapologist.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Coil Question


> Thanks Roger,
> 
> I'm getting quite a response from my stupid move.
> 
> But - I've always tended to learn the hard way.
> 
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
> jlb94 at juno.com
> ,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
> \/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
> (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From weolson at wiktel.com  Fri Dec 31 15:39:42 2004
From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:39:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Engines & Engineers Magazine?
References: <1104526549.41d5bcd5ecd35@webmail.sysim.net>
Message-ID: <41D5E33E.5090606@wiktel.com>

I would think that you have or will be getting a letter from Brenda 
Stant, the new owner of E&E as I did today.  She mentioned that Mr 
Knowles has missed 2 issues and she will credit our subscriptions for 
those 2 issues.  She will be starting with the Feb-Mar issues.  If you 
do not get the letter from her, she said her e-maill address is 
 stant at threshermen.org  and you should be able to get info from here 
there.  She is planning on keeping the magazine going with no major 
changes.  Hope this helps.
   William Olson, Roosevelt, Minn

John wrote:

>As a subscriber to this today I rec'd letter stating sold to Maryland 
>person & also noting that last 2 issues didn't get published. Does 
>anyone know what situation is with the former publishing company??  
>First, I heard of it??
>
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 31 15:44:14 2004
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:44:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
Message-ID: <20041231234414.77730.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Folks,
Has anyone ever seen or heard of a engine that has 2 cylinders laying horizontal and next to each other with a horizontal crank? Something of the newer, higher speed type. Lets say a Briggs with 2 parallel side by side cylinders and a horizontal crank? Not apposed and not a vertical shaft. I'd like to find such an animal to put into a small homemade tractor I'm building.
Thanks
Ron



Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
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From ELIDAS at aol.com  Fri Dec 31 15:57:06 2004
From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 18:57:06 EST
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
Message-ID: <1a4.2e5c7d51.2f074152@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/31/2004 6:45:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
ron217_2000 at yahoo.com writes:


Has  anyone ever seen or heard of a engine that has 2 cylinders laying 
horizontal  and next to each other with a horizontal crank? Something of the newer, 
higher  speed type. Lets say a Briggs with 2 parallel side by side cylinders 
and a  horizontal crank? Not apposed and not a vertical shaft. I'd like to find 
such  an animal to put into a small homemade tractor I'm  building.
Thanks



Coldwell twin. 3 1/2 HP at 1200. Flathead two flywheels.
Mike
      


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 31 16:37:45 2004
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 00:37:45 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill
In-Reply-To: <000401c4edbf$7f900d60$5a680b42@gnarmstrong>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F65D6DD85EB93B4F892DF0C89E0@phx.gbl>

Hi George,

Nope, it's not too early. I've had a few guys already asking if I could cut 
them some. The main problem for me will be finding wood to use for the 
shingles.  Would want to make sure it is nail and metal free.  I know that 
cedar is popular, but finding it could be a problem. Not sure what other 
types of wood can be used for shingles.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
=======================
>From: "George & Norma Armstrong" <gnarmstrong at netnitco.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Shingle Mill
>Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:00:15 -0600
>
>Luke,
>   Is it to early to place an order for shingles??       George




From ozengine at yahoo.com.au  Fri Dec 31 16:55:07 2004
From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 11:55:07 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] The SEL makes it to 2005
Message-ID: <20050101005507.46852.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com>

G'day mates

Looks like there's no need to worry about the health
of our SEL. Richard's mighty response on the blueing
thread just goes to show how good it can be....

The SEL has made it, intact and in good shape. Good
health to the SEL (I guess that means all of us) in
2005!  :-))

Graham in Oz



Message: 3
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:09:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Richard Allen <linstrum55 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [SEL] Parkerizing, bluing, blacking, &
browning iron 
To: Stationary Engine List
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Parkerizing, bluing, blacking, and browning of iron
and steel use
chemical solutions that react with the iron of the 

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http://au.movies.yahoo.com


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Dec 31 17:18:02 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 20:18:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question
Message-ID: <20041231.203341.1300.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Andrew,

Strange ?? Naw ! 

Strange was how high I jumped when it exploded.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 31 18:14:55 2004
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 20:14:55 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Another mystery engine
References: <410-220041253119287234@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <008501c4efa7$b1ddb350$230110ac@PAUL>

I cannot see them either Ken and I even tried this new site.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Christison" <christison at coastalnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Another mystery engine


> Try this Roger: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/welty/
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Roger DiRuscio <solarrog at pacbell.net>
>> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Date: 12/31/2004 2:20:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Another mystery engine
>>
>> Dick the pictures are not showing.
>> can you fix that?
> 




From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Fri Dec 31 18:19:59 2004
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 20:19:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill
Message-ID: <000401c4efa8$67fb8ea0$9c680b42@gnarmstrong>

Hi Luke,
  We use cedar in our club shingle mill and it is usually sawn for us into
the correct size blocks by another clubs sawmill.   Best wishes for the new
year.    George
-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, December 31, 2004 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Shingle Mill


>Hi George,
>
>Nope, it's not too early. I've had a few guys already asking if I could cut
>them some. The main problem for me will be finding wood to use for the
>shingles.  Would want to make sure it is nail and metal free.  I know that
>cedar is popular, but finding it could be a problem. Not sure what other
>types of wood can be used for shingles.
>
>Luke Tonneberger
>Rockford, Michigan
>USA
>=======================
>>From: "George & Norma Armstrong" <gnarmstrong at netnitco.net>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Shingle Mill
>>Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:00:15 -0600
>>
>>Luke,
>>   Is it to early to place an order for shingles??       George
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Fri Dec 31 18:23:12 2004
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 20:23:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
Message-ID: <000d01c4efa8$d8471da0$9c680b42@gnarmstrong>

Ron,
   John Deere made just such an engine for years and they also put them into
a tractor.    George
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Frost, Kersey, PA <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com>
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, December 31, 2004 5:45 PM
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?


>Hi Folks,
>Has anyone ever seen or heard of a engine that has 2 cylinders laying
horizontal and next to each other with a horizontal crank? Something of the
newer, higher speed type. Lets say a Briggs with 2 parallel side by side
cylinders and a horizontal crank? Not apposed and not a vertical shaft. I'd
like to find such an animal to put into a small homemade tractor I'm
building.
>Thanks
>Ron
>
>
>
>Ron Frost
>Kersey, PA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0
>
>  http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
>
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>
>
>
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From glenn.karch at gte.net  Fri Dec 31 20:51:37 2004
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 22:51:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill
References: <000401c4efa8$67fb8ea0$9c680b42@gnarmstrong>
Message-ID: <002d01c4efbd$96561da0$df29ea41@oemcomputer>

Luke,

Our club has a shingle mill.  We use mainly cedar, but we also use catalpa
and have cut a few cypress.  Our shingle miller, who is our local barber,
has a sign up in his shop for years asking for cedar and some shows up once
in a while.  We were lucky that a strong wind came through an area east of
us.  Of all places, it hit hard at Cedar Farms.  Having good connections
with the owner we got the remains of several large cedar trees that were
blown down.

We use 18" long pieces to cut.  You can start with any odd shape and square
three sides with the mill and then start making shingles.  Half is shingles
and half is sawdust.  We made a bundling device and a saw to trim rough
edges.  We use some of the shigles in our club buildings and sell some here
and there.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: "George & Norma Armstrong" <gnarmstrong at netnitco.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Shingle Mill


> Hi Luke,
>   We use cedar in our club shingle mill and it is usually sawn for us into
> the correct size blocks by another clubs sawmill.   Best wishes for the
new
> year.    George
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Friday, December 31, 2004 7:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Shingle Mill
>
>
> >Hi George,
> >
> >Nope, it's not too early. I've had a few guys already asking if I could
cut
> >them some. The main problem for me will be finding wood to use for the
> >shingles.  Would want to make sure it is nail and metal free.  I know
that
> >cedar is popular, but finding it could be a problem. Not sure what other
> >types of wood can be used for shingles.
> >
> >Luke Tonneberger
> >Rockford, Michigan
> >USA
> >=======================
> >>From: "George & Norma Armstrong" <gnarmstrong at netnitco.net>
> >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Shingle Mill
> >>Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:00:15 -0600
> >>
> >>Luke,
> >>   Is it to early to place an order for shingles??       George
> >
> >
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Fri Dec 31 22:43:07 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 01:43:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: One For The New Year!
Message-ID: <6526C860-5BC0-11D9-8346-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

http://guitarchat.net/modules/jinzora/Media_player/Ricochet/ 
AuldLangSyne.mp3

  Also at: http://oldengine.org/members/culp/AuldLangSyne.mp3

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  1 04:41:09 2004
From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 04:41:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson info.
In-Reply-To: <20041130.221148.284.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20041201124109.78760.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com>

Verne still has all the records, write him with your s/n and $1.  


rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
Hi all.
Is Verne Kindschi still the keeper of the F&J records? I thought I heard
he passed the information to someone else. I am looking for the
information on a 3hp serial no. 78652, already know the year. Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Dec  1 06:15:19 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 07:15:19 -0700
Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help
References: <20041129.210419.248.0.jlb94@juno.com>
	<002201c4d69f$e68ab290$8c9f0952@no1>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV265D282DBC9FD8A557F2BDBBBF0@phx.gbl>

Pip..on my babbitt burner, there is a small screen filter just before it 
goes into the burner.  About 1/4 the dia. of a cigarette filter..same 
length.

  Possibly yours has one also.

later,
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] clogged pipe help


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 1:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] clogged pipe help
>
>
> > Maybe I will try 1/2 denatured alcohol and 1/2 lacquer thinner like Curt
> > said
> > worked.
> > Careful when mixing flamable liquids.
> > I once mixed Gasoline & Kerosene in a smudge pot and lit it not 
> > realizing
> > what was mixed.
> > It worked okay untill I picked it up to move it.
> > About liked to blow my head off !!
> > Luckily - The pressure of gasoline igniting blew itself out.
> > Joe "Pip" Betz
>
> Is Denatured Alcohol in the US the same as the "Meths" or
> "Methylated spirits" we use in the UK?
> Ours is purple in colour & is Ethyl alcohol with Methyl alcohol
> added to make it undrinkable.
> (Mind you, we do think about drinking it when Arnie is over here
> overworking all our breweries) 8^)
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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From jnyost at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  1 06:32:38 2004
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 06:32:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] 2004 ATIS CHarity Auction?
In-Reply-To: <24246-41ACC8DB-3006@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <20041201143239.47547.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com>

GREAT



--- Alan Bowen <alanb2 at webtv.net> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
> 
> I was wondering if anyone would be interested in
> another one,,,,
> 
> I will put up another Big Ol' Wrench soon.
> Grab yer own,
> OR,, Hey Spenser,,, Wanna set of 'em???
> 
> I guess I just need to make a simple web page of
> items on the Charity
> Auction.
> 
> I have a book here I am putting up in a few minutes
> that could go either
> way. 8>))
> 
> Alan Bowen
> 
> ~~~~~Jim?Yost wrote~~~~~
> 
> I sure hope it is. I would like to see that "BIG OLD
> WRENCH" (Spencer)
> go back on the auction since my ISP went down and I
> could not put my
> last bid in. 8-)) 
> 
>
http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity
> 
> 
> Jim and Janna Yost
> Utica, Ohio
> USA
> jnyost at yahoo.com 
> 
> Alan Bowen  alanb2 at webtv.net
> Williamsburg, Michigan
> 
> 
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From toadhill at aeroinc.net  Wed Dec  1 06:58:46 2004
From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:58:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Heart Failure
Message-ID: <002301c4d7b6$43892e60$7acc940c@mcness.com>

To the list,

Thanks to everyone who called, sent cards and visited while I was down with open heart surgery.  All thoughts and prayers were appreciated.  I have a new plastic heart valve that seems to be lapped in good and they rebuilt my aorta.  They must of redone the rings and cylinders because I have good compression and seem to be firing on all.  They can bounce start me now.  Thanks again to everyone.

Joe

From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Dec  1 07:57:15 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:57:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help
Message-ID: <20041201.110732.1260.4.jlb94@juno.com>

>Is Denatured Alcohol in the US the same as the "Meths" or
>"Methylated spirits" we use in the UK?
=        =        =        =        =        =        =        =
Hi Dave,

I have no idea what the UK calls things.

I bought a can of "Solvent Alcohol" at an estate sale.
I figured it was "Denatured Alcohol".
It smells the same & burns the same & solvents the same.
But the ingredients are different.

Denatured Alcohol containes = Methyl Alcohol Cas #67-56-1
and - Ethyl Alcohol Cas # 64-17-5

Solvent Alcohol containes = Methanol - No other ingredients listed.

So - Even over here - What I think is the same, is something else.
Sorry -


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
 \/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Dec  1 08:43:36 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:43:36 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Heart Failure
In-Reply-To: <002301c4d7b6$43892e60$7acc940c@mcness.com>
Message-ID: <200412011643.iB1GhiGT029105@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


> Thanks to everyone who called, sent cards and visited while I 
> was down with open heart surgery.  All thoughts and prayers 
> were appreciated.  I have a new plastic heart valve that 
> seems to be lapped in good and they rebuilt my aorta.  They 
> must of redone the rings and cylinders because I have good 
> compression and seem to be firing on all.  They can bounce 
> start me now.  Thanks again to everyone.

Hey Joe,
Welcome back!  
Glad they didn't decide to "part you out."

Rob






From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Dec  1 09:44:17 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:44:17 -0000
Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help
References: <20041201.110732.1260.4.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <004501c4d7cd$62b25b60$8c9f0952@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] clogged pipe help


> >Is Denatured Alcohol in the US the same as the "Meths" or
> >"Methylated spirits" we use in the UK?
> =        =        =        =        =        =        =        =
> Hi Dave,
> I have no idea what the UK calls things.
> I bought a can of "Solvent Alcohol" at an estate sale.
> I figured it was "Denatured Alcohol".
> It smells the same & burns the same & solvents the same.
> But the ingredients are different.
> Denatured Alcohol containes = Methyl Alcohol Cas #67-56-1
> and - Ethyl Alcohol Cas # 64-17-5
> Solvent Alcohol containes = Methanol - No other ingredients listed.
> So - Even over here - What I think is the same, is something else.
> Sorry -
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 

Hi Joe, I do know that Ethyl alcohol is supposed to be drinkable 
& Methyl or methanol is supposed to F**ck you up in style. 8^)
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Dec  1 10:17:58 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:17:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Heart Failure
In-Reply-To: <200412011643.iB1GhiGT029105@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200412011643.iB1GhiGT029105@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412011315470.21081@vegeta.city-net.com>

ROFLMAO!!!  And the other amusing bit was that the NEXT email in the Inbox
had the Subject... "Clogged Pipe Help."  Yeah, it's a slow day and I need
to be amused...  8-))

On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Rob Skinner wrote:

> Hey Joe,
> Welcome back!
> Glad they didn't decide to "part you out."


From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Dec  1 10:59:04 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 13:59:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help OT
In-Reply-To: <004501c4d7cd$62b25b60$8c9f0952@no1>
References: <20041201.110732.1260.4.jlb94@juno.com>
	<004501c4d7cd$62b25b60$8c9f0952@no1>
Message-ID: <41AE1478.8060407@imc-group.com>

Hi Joe, I do know that Ethyl alcohol is supposed to be drinkable

>& Methyl or methanol is supposed to F**ck you up in style. 8^)
>Dave Croft
>Warrington
>England
>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>  
>
Yup, methanol will lead to permanent impaired vision in roughly 1/5 of 
those that survive. Not very good odds. 1 carbon chain

Ethanol is our fermented drink of choice. 2 carbon chains

Interestingly as you keep going up the carbon chain the odd carbon 
chains are poisonous and the evens safe.
Propanol (isopropyl) is 3 carbons long and is not something you want to 
drink.
Goodness chemistry was a LONG time ago!
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From garyepps at fidnet.com  Wed Dec  1 12:50:31 2004
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 14:50:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help OT
In-Reply-To: <41AE1478.8060407@imc-group.com>
References: <20041201.110732.1260.4.jlb94@juno.com>	<004501c4d7cd$62b25b60$8c9f0952@no1>
	<41AE1478.8060407@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <41AE2E97.1080604@fidnet.com>

Yes, but you have to remember that there are some things that are 
supposed to be drinkable in the South that aren't considered drinkable 
anywhere else in the country. :)

Gary

Curt wrote:
> Hi Joe, I do know that Ethyl alcohol is supposed to be drinkable
> 
>> & Methyl or methanol is supposed to F**ck you up in style. 8^)
>> Dave Croft
>> Warrington
>> England
>> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>>  
>>
> Yup, methanol will lead to permanent impaired vision in roughly 1/5 of 
> those that survive. Not very good odds. 1 carbon chain
> 
> Ethanol is our fermented drink of choice. 2 carbon chains
> 
> Interestingly as you keep going up the carbon chain the odd carbon 
> chains are poisonous and the evens safe.
> Propanol (isopropyl) is 3 carbons long and is not something you want to 
> drink.
> Goodness chemistry was a LONG time ago!
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
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> 

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at a leisurely pace.



From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Dec  1 14:05:31 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:05:31 EST
Subject: [SEL] Good engine day
Message-ID: <12f.51878f5b.2edf9a2b@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/30/2004 6:23:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl writes:

<< I think it's a habit to have something different on M's >>

John,

It is nice to learn something new every day.  Thanks for the info.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Dec  1 14:13:16 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:13:16 EST
Subject: [SEL] Heart Failure
Message-ID: <1da.30ae5b69.2edf9bfc@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/1/2004 1:47:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:

<< ROFLMAO!!!  And the other amusing bit was that the NEXT email in the Inbox
 had the Subject... "Clogged Pipe Help."  Yeah, it's a slow day and I need
 to be amused...  8-)) >>



Arnie,

If you lack for amusement, I will send you the tank with the clogged pipe and 
you can work on it. Course it does not take much to amuse me either!

Thanks,



Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Dec  1 14:07:51 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:07:51 EST
Subject: [SEL] Scale Rock Crusher
Message-ID: <e1.7b16be5.2edf9ab7@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/30/2004 9:48:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
tberry6 at carolina.rr.com writes:

<< Pray for me because I live halfway between the Roysters and Curt Holland >>


I am not sure praying will help.  Maybe moving will be better.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Dec  1 14:40:24 2004
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:40:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Scale Rock Crusher
References: <e1.7b16be5.2edf9ab7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <009c01c4d7f6$bf67e400$545b8645@carolina.rr.com>

Careful Tom, he could bring all those tractors up next door to you!
MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Scale Rock Crusher


> In a message dated 11/30/2004 9:48:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> tberry6 at carolina.rr.com writes:
>
> << Pray for me because I live halfway between the Roysters and Curt
Holland >>
>
>
> I am not sure praying will help.  Maybe moving will be better.
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec  1 15:56:12 2004
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:56:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Heart Failure
References: <002301c4d7b6$43892e60$7acc940c@mcness.com>
Message-ID: <003301c4d801$5861ae20$210110ac@PaulMaples>

GREAT NEWS Joe, we are all thrilled to get this good report.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe & Jewel Maurer" <toadhill at aeroinc.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 8:58 AM
Subject: [SEL] Heart Failure


To the list,

Thanks to everyone who called, sent cards and visited while I was down with 
open heart surgery.  All thoughts and prayers were appreciated.  I have a 
new plastic heart valve that seems to be lapped in good and they rebuilt my 
aorta.  They must of redone the rings and cylinders because I have good 
compression and seem to be firing on all.  They can bounce start me now. 
Thanks again to everyone.

Joe
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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Dec  1 18:56:46 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 21:56:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 2004 ATIS CHarity Auction?
In-Reply-To: <24246-41ACC8DB-3006@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net>
References: <James Yost <jnyost@yahoo.com>
	<24246-41ACC8DB-3006@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041201215237.02372e88@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
         Just got off the phone with Spencer. He just got home from taking 
his mother back to Atlanta after a GREAT Thanksgiving. He now knows that 
the ATIS Charity Auction page is not working properly. He will set things 
right w/in a few days!
         Dave
PS, Early, often and against yourself if possible!

At 02:24 PM 11/30/2004, you wrote:
>Hi Jim,
>
>I was wondering if anyone would be interested in another one,,,,
>
>I will put up another Big Ol' Wrench soon.
>Grab yer own,
>OR,, Hey Spenser,,, Wanna set of 'em???
>
>I guess I just need to make a simple web page of items on the Charity
>Auction.
>
>I have a book here I am putting up in a few minutes that could go either
>way. 8>))
>
>Alan Bowen
>
>~~~~~Jim Yost wrote~~~~~
>
>I sure hope it is. I would like to see that "BIG OLD WRENCH" (Spencer)
>go back on the auction since my ISP went down and I could not put my
>last bid in. 8-))
>
>http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity
>
>Jim and Janna Yost
>Utica, Ohio
>USA
>jnyost at yahoo.com
>
>Alan Bowen  alanb2 at webtv.net
>Williamsburg, Michigan
>
>
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From skipl at montana.com  Wed Dec  1 19:37:54 2004
From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:37:54 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson info.
References: <20041130.221148.284.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <41AE8E11.1EED1722@montana.com>

i think i heard that starbolt now has them.  skip

rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

> Hi all.
> Is Verne Kindschi still the keeper of the F&J records?  I thought I heard
> he passed the information to someone else.  I am looking for the
> information on a 3hp serial no.  78652, already know the year.  Thanks.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From yostsw at atis.net  Wed Dec  1 20:00:38 2004
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:00:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction
Message-ID: <200412012300380812.0CFFFDE1@heavyiron.atis.net>

It's on.....


The 2004 ATIS Holiday Charity Auction has officially started!!!

We now have a few items up and it is time to get bidding and get your
donations listed.   By the way, there is a technical note after my
signature that everyone will need to read.  Also, a few folks have
indicated they have had a bit of trouble with the pages, but I couldn't
reproduce them, other than symptoms my note below addresses.   As usual,
feel free send me an email if you have any question or problem.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net

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From driggars at earthlink.net  Wed Dec  1 20:35:30 2004
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:35:30 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Re: Harbor Freight-Small Tailgate lift
References: <20041128.112139.760.2.jlb94@juno.com>	<6.1.2.0.0.20041128201234.022c7608@mail.alltel.net><41AB45EA.9030908@mlode.com>
	<41AB6477.1020602@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <058b01c4d828$5b9fb060$6a448304@clinton>

About a month or so ago, someone had purchased a small tailgate lift from
Harbor Freight, It lifted something like 300-500 pounds, the gave the HF item
number, i could have sworn I saved the email but cany find it
was that someone on this list? if so do you still have the item number?
Thanks
Clint



From BillMil357 at aol.com  Wed Dec  1 21:26:27 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 00:26:27 EST
Subject: [SEL] Re: Harbor Freight-Small Tailgate lift
Message-ID: <cf.1d0d1ed2.2ee00183@aol.com>

Hey Clint;
 
Try this link and see if it is the one you are referring to, the part  number 
is 1647 and is on sale at our local HF store until Dec. 8 for  $59.99,
 
_http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?function=Search_ 
(http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?function=Search) 
 
Thanks,
 
Bill Miller
Memphis, TN.


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Dec  1 14:44:17 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:44:17 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Scale Rock Crusher
References: <e1.7b16be5.2edf9ab7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <008c01c4d84a$51cebfa0$1b0d1bd3@athlon>

Hey Tom, ya beat me posting those very same words!!  VBG
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message -----
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Scale Rock Crusher


> In a message dated 11/30/2004 9:48:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> tberry6 at carolina.rr.com writes:
>
> << Pray for me because I live halfway between the Roysters and Curt
Holland >>
>
>
> I am not sure praying will help.  Maybe moving will be better.
>
> Tom Schmutz



From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  2 03:26:28 2004
From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 03:26:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson info.
In-Reply-To: <41AE8E11.1EED1722@montana.com>
Message-ID: <20041202112628.82178.qmail@web52609.mail.yahoo.com>

Verne passed all the manuals, decals and name plates he used to sell on to Starbolt, he still has the records and will look up engines.  Heard this from Verne himself plus he put a notice in GEM earlier this year.
 


skip landis <skipl at montana.com> wrote:
i think i heard that starbolt now has them. skip

rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:


Cheers!  NICK
 
 
Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web! 
 
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From ottawa at pa.net  Thu Dec  2 09:14:36 2004
From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:14:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Harbor Freight-Small Tailgate lift
References: <20041128.112139.760.2.jlb94@juno.com>	<6.1.2.0.0.20041128201234.022c7608@mail.alltel.net><41AB45EA.9030908@mlode.com><41AB6477.1020602@imc-group.com>
	<058b01c4d828$5b9fb060$6a448304@clinton>
Message-ID: <019101c4d892$66d582b0$e5783b42@HONDESKTOP>

Is this the item you are looking for?

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=47591

Helen

George L. & Helen S. Myers
The Ottawa Caretakers   ottawa at pa.net
Tel 717-536-3711
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Clint D 
  To: The SEL email discussion list 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:35 PM
  Subject: [SEL] Re: Harbor Freight-Small Tailgate lift


  About a month or so ago, someone had purchased a small tailgate lift from
  Harbor Freight, It lifted something like 300-500 pounds, the gave the HF item
  number, i could have sworn I saved the email but cany find it
  was that someone on this list? if so do you still have the item number?
  Thanks
  Clint

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From driggars at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  2 10:41:05 2004
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:41:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Re: Harbor Freight-Small Tailgate lift
References: <20041128.112139.760.2.jlb94@juno.com>	<6.1.2.0.0.20041128201234.022c7608@mail.alltel.net><41AB45EA.9030908@mlode.com><41AB6477.1020602@imc-group.com><058b01c4d828$5b9fb060$6a448304@clinton>
	<019101c4d892$66d582b0$e5783b42@HONDESKTOP>
Message-ID: <008401c4d89e$7bfb0fa0$62468304@clinton>

Helen

Yes! That is it

Clint

----- Original Message -----
From: "George/Helen Myers" <ottawa at pa.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Harbor Freight-Small Tailgate lift


Is this the item you are looking for?

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=47591

Helen

George L. & Helen S. Myers
The Ottawa Caretakers   ottawa at pa.net
Tel 717-536-3711
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Clint D
  To: The SEL email discussion list
  Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:35 PM
  Subject: [SEL] Re: Harbor Freight-Small Tailgate lift


  About a month or so ago, someone had purchased a small tailgate lift from
  Harbor Freight, It lifted something like 300-500 pounds, the gave the HF
item
  number, i could have sworn I saved the email but cany find it
  was that someone on this list? if so do you still have the item number?
  Thanks
  Clint

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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Dec  1 15:22:55 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:22:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help
In-Reply-To: <20041201.110732.1260.4.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20041201.110732.1260.4.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <EDF92210-43EF-11D9-98F2-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> Denatured Alcohol containes = Methyl Alcohol Cas #67-56-1
> and - Ethyl Alcohol Cas # 64-17-5

That's "Methylated Spirits" and is the most common kind of denatured 
alcohol here. But there are several other approved ingredients for 
"denaturants." The purpose is to make you sick as hell if you drink it 
so you won't. If the alcohol's nondrinkable, the BATFE exempts it from 
Federal liquor taxes.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu  Thu Dec  2 12:56:21 2004
From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:56:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Pictures of Scale Model Gas Engines added to my Website
Message-ID: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9D8@email05.bsu.edu>

Pictures of Scale Model Gas Engines (8 of them) have been added to my website.  These are photographs that I took at various shows, etc. in 2004.  A very special thanks to Jim, Ken and my family.  I hope you enjoy the photos!  
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker/shows/various-4/
 
Don Siefker
28 Miles SW of Portland, IN  USA 
 
 



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Dec  2 17:07:08 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:07:08 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging
Message-ID: <20041202.170708.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  I have a question on recharging magnets.  When I turn on the
charger and the magnet to be charged turns and lines up; do I place it on
the charger in that position, or do i reverse it?  Thanks.


Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From edstoller at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  2 17:37:00 2004
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:37:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Stirling Engines
Message-ID: <009201c4d8d8$b318d0a0$44b6f504@x8h7l9>

I noticed that on the cover of  the Micro-Mark catalog  that there was a Stirling engine kit; fully machined $187.50 and materials $87.50.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT



From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Dec  2 17:39:03 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:39:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help
Message-ID: <20041202.205139.852.3.jlb94@juno.com>

>But there are several other approved ingredients for 
"denaturants." The purpose is to make you sick as hell if you drink it 
so you won't. If the alcohol's nondrinkable, the BATFE exempts it from 
Federal liquor taxes.<
=        =        =        =        =        =        =        =        =
       
Thanks John,
Is that all the word "denatured" means ?

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
 \/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Dec  2 18:01:48 2004
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:01:48 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging
In-Reply-To: <20041202.170708.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200412030201.iB321tgk056196@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Ron, Don't fight mother Nature!  Jimmy O'Hagan

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
rdhaskell at juno.com
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 5:07 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging

Hi all.  I have a question on recharging magnets.  When I turn on the
charger and the magnet to be charged turns and lines up; do I place it on
the charger in that position, or do i reverse it?  Thanks.


Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Dec  2 19:16:29 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:16:29 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging
In-Reply-To: <20041202.170708.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <005101c4d8e6$7d276cf0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE>

No, please don't reverse it.
Ya cannot change the laws of physics, cap'n.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
rdhaskell at juno.com
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 7:07 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging


Hi all.  I have a question on recharging magnets.  When I turn on the
charger and the magnet to be charged turns and lines up; do I place it on
the charger in that position, or do i reverse it?  Thanks.


Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From gibsongus at myway.com  Thu Dec  2 22:31:56 2004
From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus)
Date: Fri,  3 Dec 2004 01:31:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging
Message-ID: <20041203063156.A51723980@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 Ron when Rob does it he has a little compas? so he knows where north is, does this help?-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Thu 12/02, &lt; rdhaskell at juno.com &gt; wrote:
From: [mailto: rdhaskell at juno.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:07:08 -0800Subject: [SEL] Magnet rechargingHi all. I have a question on recharging magnets. When I turn on thecharger and the magnet to be charged turns and lines up; do I place it onthe charger in that position, or do i reverse it? Thanks.Ron Haskellrdhaskell at juno.comRiverside, CaliforniaUSAhttp://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&amp;f=0_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  2 19:01:17 2004
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:01:17 -0700
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction
References: <200412012300380812.0CFFFDE1@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <001901c4d8e4$5c7374b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>

Hi Spencer,

Clue me in on how to list something here. Think I can drag up a nice item or 
two. I am assuming a Holifday auction is much like a Holiday auction. :-)

Jeff Allen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net>
To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>; 
<antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>; 
<farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com>; 
<ford-ferguson at lists.antique-tractor.com>; 
<ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
<steam-engine at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 9:00 PM
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction


> It's on.....
>
>
> The 2004 ATIS Holiday Charity Auction has officially started!!!
>
> We now have a few items up and it is time to get bidding and get your
> donations listed.   By the way, there is a technical note after my
> signature that everyone will need to read.  Also, a few folks have
> indicated they have had a bit of trouble with the pages, but I couldn't
> reproduce them, other than symptoms my note below addresses.   As usual,
> feel free send me an email if you have any question or problem.
>
> Spencer Yost
> Owner, ATIS
> Plow the Net!
> http://www.atis.net
>
> IMPORTANT: Be sure to allow pop-ups if using Windows XP security center!
> OldAuction.com makes extensive use of separate pop-up windows whenever an
> auction item has any type of digital media associated with it(i.e.
> pictures, audio, video, etc). The new security center that came with the 
> XP
> service pack 2 update will block these pop-ups, making it appear as if the
> multimedia content is not loading properly. Be sure to allow pop-ups from
> oldironauction.com. You can feel safe doing so as we will never use pop-up
> windows as a form of advertising or spyware/adware initialization.
>
>
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From Peterwoodmore at aol.com  Thu Dec  2 23:07:51 2004
From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 02:07:51 EST
Subject: [SEL] IH3M
Message-ID: <1e6.2fbd421c.2ee16ac7@aol.com>

Hey Brian 
If Mossman near Port Douglas is not too far to travel there are two 3hp M's 
under a tree waiting for someone. Email me off line and I will tell you where 

Woody
peterwoodmore at aol.com
27 Craig Av
Moorebank 2170
NSW
Australia


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec  2 17:36:37 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:36:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging
In-Reply-To: <20041202.170708.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20041202.170708.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <C63A582A-44CB-11D9-981F-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Keep it that way.

On Dec 2, 2004, at 8:07 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

> Hi all.  I have a question on recharging magnets.  When I turn on the
> charger and the magnet to be charged turns and lines up; do I place it 
> on
> the charger in that position, or do i reverse it?  Thanks.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Dec  2 19:38:19 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 22:38:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction
In-Reply-To: <200412012300380812.0CFFFDE1@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <200412012300380812.0CFFFDE1@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041202223712.02531128@mail.alltel.net>

For those new to this Charity Auction (and for old timers like me who have 
a problem remembering) the Auction is at: 
http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity
         Dave
PS, Can someone please pass this on to the FATG's? Thanks!

At 11:00 PM 12/1/2004, you wrote:
>It's on.....
>
>
>The 2004 ATIS Holiday Charity Auction has officially started!!!
>
>We now have a few items up and it is time to get bidding and get your
>donations listed.   By the way, there is a technical note after my
>signature that everyone will need to read.  Also, a few folks have
>indicated they have had a bit of trouble with the pages, but I couldn't
>reproduce them, other than symptoms my note below addresses.   As usual,
>feel free send me an email if you have any question or problem.
>
>Spencer Yost
>Owner, ATIS
>Plow the Net!
>http://www.atis.net
>
>IMPORTANT: Be sure to allow pop-ups if using Windows XP security center!
>OldAuction.com makes extensive use of separate pop-up windows whenever an
>auction item has any type of digital media associated with it(i.e.
>pictures, audio, video, etc). The new security center that came with the XP
>service pack 2 update will block these pop-ups, making it appear as if the
>multimedia content is not loading properly. Be sure to allow pop-ups from
>oldironauction.com. You can feel safe doing so as we will never use pop-up
>windows as a form of advertising or spyware/adware initialization.
>
>
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From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Dec  3 05:28:09 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 08:28:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Pictures of Scale Model Gas Engines added to my Website
In-Reply-To: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9D8@email05.bsu.edu>
References: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9D8@email05.bsu.edu>
Message-ID: <41B069E9.2020207@imc-group.com>

Don,
Neat Springfield model! Interesting that it has 5 spoke flywheels. A 
while back we had a discussion about engines with 5 spoke flywheels and 
I don't recall the Springfield being listed along with the others like 
Baker and Ingeco.
Thanks for posting.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


SIEFKER, DONALD L wrote:

>Pictures of Scale Model Gas Engines (8 of them) have been added to my website.  These are photographs that I took at various shows, etc. in 2004.  A very special thanks to Jim, Ken and my family.  I hope you enjoy the photos!  
> 
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker/shows/various-4/
> 
>  
>



From yostsw at atis.net  Fri Dec  3 06:48:55 2004
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 09:48:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041202223712.02531128@mail.alltel.net>
References: <200412012300380812.0CFFFDE1@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041202223712.02531128@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <200412030948550609.1477ECF5@heavyiron.atis.net>

Thanks Dave - I should have included the link in my announcement.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 12/2/2004 at 10:38 PM Dave Rotigel wrote:

>For those new to this Charity Auction (and for old timers like me who
>have 
>a problem remembering) the Auction is at: 
>http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity
>         Dave




From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Fri Dec  3 07:17:53 2004
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:17:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] IH3M
References: <1e6.2fbd421c.2ee16ac7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0c4101c4d94b$45fb53d0$0301a8c0@ALEC>

Woody,
Thats just not fair, post the directions and let us all have a shot at the
engines, I enjoy a good knawing and nashing of the teeth
story,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Alec J. Stevens
Investment Specialist
80 Leighton Road, Suite C
Falmouth, ME 04105
(800)842-6669
(207)797-5169
(207)797-2819
----- Original Message -----
From: <Peterwoodmore at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] IH3M


> Hey Brian
> If Mossman near Port Douglas is not too far to travel there are two 3hp
M's
> under a tree waiting for someone. Email me off line and I will tell you
where
>
> Woody
> peterwoodmore at aol.com
> 27 Craig Av
> Moorebank 2170
> NSW
> Australia
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Dec  3 08:14:11 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 08:14:11 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging
In-Reply-To: <20041202.170708.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200412031614.iB3GEBAg043906@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


> Hi all.  I have a question on recharging magnets.  When I turn on the
> charger and the magnet to be charged turns and lines up; do I 
> place it on the charger in that position, or do i reverse it?  

Hi Ron,
Let it line up the way it wants.  The north pole of your magent will go to the
south pole of your charger,  and the south of the magnet to the north of your
charger.

Warning:  Allowing parts to move around in the proximity of the magnet charger
could pose hazardous.  The magnet could be sucked onto the charger with such
force that something breaks.  Bits could also get thrown to the floor.  

Like Gus said, a compass is a handy tool.  The earth, the magnets, and your
charger all have a north and south pole.  When charging, all you need to
remember is that opposites attract:  N to S, and S to N.

Confusion arises through use of the compass.  The N on the compass is the
north-SEEKING pole. The S is south-SEEKING.  Hold it near your charger, and the
N on the compass points to the north end of your charger.  Same for everything
else.  

Rob






From yostsw at atis.net  Fri Dec  3 08:22:20 2004
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 11:22:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: 7 hp Witt parts
References: <db.1a140372.2ed2bb80@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200412031122200062.14CD864A@heavyiron.atis.net>

Can someone help this fellow??  He is not a list member so you need to
contact him directly at the email address below.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net


*********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE  ***********

On 11/21/2004 at 10:48 PM JEVH33 at aol.com <JEVH33 at aol.com> wrote:

>Hi,  I am restoring a 7hp Witt for a young boy who got the engine from
>his 
>grandfather
>before he died.  The engine sat out in the woods for about 9 years.  The
>head 
>is shot
>as the exaust valve is so rusted in that it has been impossable to remove.
> 
>So I am looking for a head.  If anyone can help me I'm sure the young boy
>would 
>be greatful.
>Please me at: jevh33 at aol.com 

*********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE  ***********



From oldengin at udata.com  Fri Dec  3 09:36:45 2004
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:36:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Pictures of Scale Model Gas Engines added to my Website
In-Reply-To: <41B069E9.2020207@imc-group.com>
References: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9D8@email05.bsu.edu>
	<41B069E9.2020207@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <41B0A42D.2060308@udata.com>

Don, who has the model kits of Springfields? I believe I know who 
handles the others you have pictured...    Good page.

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Fri Dec  3 10:10:56 2004
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 13:10:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Springfield models
References: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9D8@email05.bsu.edu><41B069E9.2020207@imc-group.com>
	<41B0A42D.2060308@udata.com>
Message-ID: <0c8201c4d963$71be8ec0$0301a8c0@ALEC>

Hi, 
 how much are these models worth???
tks

Alec J. Stevens
Investment Specialist
80 Leighton Road, Suite C
Falmouth, ME 04105
(800)842-6669
(207)797-5169
(207)797-2819
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leroy C." <oldengin at udata.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Pictures of Scale Model Gas Engines added to my Website


> Don, who has the model kits of Springfields? I believe I know who 
> handles the others you have pictured...    Good page.
> 
> -- 
> C-ya
> 
>   Leroy Clark
> 
> "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
>             W.A. NANCE
> 
> 
> better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark
> 
> 
> 
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  2 18:52:38 2004
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:52:38 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging
References: <20041202.170708.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c4d8e3$26f91390$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>

Ron,

Doc's book says slowly lower the magnet suspended on a string and let it 
align itself to the correct poles while the charger is on. Then charge it. I 
can scan the page and send it if you like.

Jeff Allen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 6:07 PM
Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging


> Hi all.  I have a question on recharging magnets.  When I turn on the
> charger and the magnet to be charged turns and lines up; do I place it on
> the charger in that position, or do i reverse it?  Thanks.
>
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  3 11:06:59 2004
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 19:06:59 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: 7 hp Witt parts
In-Reply-To: <200412031122200062.14CD864A@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F29B05D992DDAC7AD275192C8B10@phx.gbl>

Hi There,

Just because the exhaust valve is stuck doesn't mean that the head is no 
good. There are many methods that could be used to remove the exhaust valve. 
  You could drill it out, use heat by throwing the head in a hot bed of 
coals and covering it with the hot coals then let it totally cool off until 
you can remove it by hand, or you could use the electrolysis method.  A new 
exhaust valve could be made easily.  Take your time and have patience as it 
took 9 years for the exhaust valve to become stuck, it won't become unstuck 
overnight.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
==============

>From: "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] Fwd: 7 hp Witt parts
>Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 11:22:20 -0500
>
>Can someone help this fellow??  He is not a list member so you need to
>contact him directly at the email address below.
>
>Spencer Yost
>Owner, ATIS
>Plow the Net!
>http://www.atis.net
>
>
>*********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE  ***********
>
>On 11/21/2004 at 10:48 PM JEVH33 at aol.com <JEVH33 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi,  I am restoring a 7hp Witt for a young boy who got the engine from
> >his
> >grandfather
> >before he died.  The engine sat out in the woods for about 9 years.  The
> >head
> >is shot
> >as the exaust valve is so rusted in that it has been impossable to 
>remove.
> >
> >So I am looking for a head.  If anyone can help me I'm sure the young boy
> >would
> >be greatful.
> >Please me at: jevh33 at aol.com
>




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Dec  3 12:30:31 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:30:31 EST
Subject: [SEL] Johnson Utilimotor Restoration Up Date.
Message-ID: <e0.7f9fe6b.2ee226e7@aol.com>

Hi,
I finally managed to get my Johnson Utilimotor disassembled.   However, the 
piston is still stuck in the cylinder.  It is heavily  rusted.  It has been 
soaking in automatic transmission fluid for a few  weeks.  Perhaps, it is time to 
get the heat wench.
This engine has a WICO Model F magneto.  For several days I  have been trying 
to figure out how the thing works.  This morning, I made a  trip to the local 
magneto shop.  Fortunately, they were able to explain to  me in layman's term 
how this magneto works.  The problem I was  having is that I didn't realize 
that intra part of the magneto rotated between  the coils and part of the 
rotating rotor segment activated the  points.  Once we were able to get this intra 
segment to rotate, then  everything started to make sense.
I would like to publicly thank all of the various members that have  been 
kind enough to answer my inquiries and trying to make me  a more informed person. 
 I have found out that wording  the question correctly is as important 
getting an answer.  Working on  this old iron sure keeps the brain cells active.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria,  California



From marvhed at ecenet.com  Fri Dec  3 12:50:36 2004
From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:50:36 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] Springfield models
In-Reply-To: <0c8201c4d963$71be8ec0$0301a8c0@ALEC>
References: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9D8@email05.bsu.edu><41B069E9.2020207@imc-group.com><41B0A42D.2060308@udata.com>
	<0c8201c4d963$71be8ec0$0301a8c0@ALEC>
Message-ID: <46971.199.62.0.252.1102107036.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>

i believe that wayne grenning scaled and made all of the springfield models.
as far as i know, no kits were avalible.

marv in minn

>
>> Don, who has the model kits of Springfields? I believe I know who
>> handles the others you have pictured...    Good page.
>>
>> --
>> C-ya
>>
>>   Leroy Clark
>>



From mraasch at hickorytech.net  Fri Dec  3 12:54:02 2004
From: mraasch at hickorytech.net (Marc Raasch)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:54:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <001101c4d97a$386e3280$edff72d8@hickorytech.net>

just checking if I have the right address to post
mraasch at hickorytech.net



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec  2 21:20:37 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 00:20:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] clogged pipe help
In-Reply-To: <20041202.205139.852.3.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20041202.205139.852.3.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <111094E9-44EB-11D9-981F-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Yep!

As for its "nature" that's being "denatured," I suppose it's worth 
noting that the word "alcohol" derives from the Arabic "al ghol," "the 
demon."

  :-)

John

On Dec 2, 2004, at 8:39 PM, jlb94 at juno.com wrote:

>> But there are several other approved ingredients for
> "denaturants." The purpose is to make you sick as hell if you drink it
> so you won't. If the alcohol's nondrinkable, the BATFE exempts it from
> Federal liquor taxes.<
> =        =        =        =        =        =        =        =       
>  =
>
> Thanks John,
> Is that all the word "denatured" means ?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Dec  3 13:12:17 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 13:12:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging
Message-ID: <20041203.131217.141.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Jeff.
If I get the magnet with in three inches of the charger it is pulled out
of my hands and slams into the charger.
We charged the EK last night, magnetism greatly increased but still no
spark.  Time to dig deeper.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside California USA
http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/

On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:52:38 -0700 "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
writes:
> Ron,
> 
> Doc's book says slowly lower the magnet suspended on a string and 
> let it 
> align itself to the correct poles while the charger is on. Then 
> charge it. I 
> can scan the page and send it if you like.
> 
> Jeff Allen
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 6:07 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging


From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Dec  3 14:06:59 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 17:06:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging
In-Reply-To: <20041203.131217.141.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20041203.131217.141.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041203170549.02355c68@mail.alltel.net>

At 04:12 PM 12/3/2004, you wrote:
>Thanks Jeff.
>If I get the magnet with in three inches of the charger it is pulled out
>of my hands and slams into the charger.
>We charged the EK last night, magnetism greatly increased but still no
>spark.  Time to dig deeper.
>Ron Haskell

Hi Ron, Change the condenser. NAPA has one that will fit inside the 
case--and any of them will work fine.
         Dave 



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Dec  3 17:06:04 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 17:06:04 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Magnet recharging
Message-ID: <20041203.170605.1336.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Dave.  This mag belongs to a friend of mine.  He just wanted me to
recharge the magnets, he had two of the little condensers that look like
a small coin with two wires sticking out.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 17:06:59 -0500 Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
writes:
 
> Hi Ron, Change the condenser. NAPA has one that will fit inside the 
> 
> case--and any of them will work fine.
>          Dave 
>


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Dec  3 19:34:11 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 22:34:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: 7 hp Witt parts
Message-ID: <20041203.223817.1244.6.jlb94@juno.com>

The
>head 
>is shot
>as the exaust valve is so rusted in that it has been impossable to
remove.
=        =        =        =        =        =        =        =
There are many wys to remove a stuck valve - No matter how bad.
A lot of patience - time - persuasion - heat - cold - electrolysis - etc
- etc will get that valve out.
Don't scrap a head just because things get a little difficult.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
\/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From transteck at earthlink.net  Fri Dec  3 19:56:13 2004
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:56:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction
References: <200412012300380812.0CFFFDE1@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041202223712.02531128@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <000601c4d9b5$33440420$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>

Thanks Dave.

My first item is up, and bid often. Hate to part with it but it's for a good 
cause. Pictures seem to work, but can see at:
http://frapa.us/atis01.jpg  just in case. Ain't quite like e-bay but got it 
up for sale. I'll quick ship to the USA if this is a Christmas gift.

If I owned a tractor would I be a FATG? Can I put up stuff for those people 
on this auction? Have a really nice mag I could put up.

Regards,

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado USA

http://oldengine.org/members/allen/
http://frapa.us/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction


> For those new to this Charity Auction (and for old timers like me who have 
> a problem remembering) the Auction is at: 
> http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity
>         Dave
> PS, Can someone please pass this on to the FATG's? Thanks!
>
> At 11:00 PM 12/1/2004, you wrote:
>>It's on.....
>>
>>
>>The 2004 ATIS Holiday Charity Auction has officially started!!!
>>
>>We now have a few items up and it is time to get bidding and get your
>>donations listed.   By the way, there is a technical note after my
>>signature that everyone will need to read.  Also, a few folks have
>>indicated they have had a bit of trouble with the pages, but I couldn't
>>reproduce them, other than symptoms my note below addresses.   As usual,
>>feel free send me an email if you have any question or problem.
>>
>>Spencer Yost
>>Owner, ATIS
>>Plow the Net!
>>http://www.atis.net
>>
>>IMPORTANT: Be sure to allow pop-ups if using Windows XP security center!
>>OldAuction.com makes extensive use of separate pop-up windows whenever an
>>auction item has any type of digital media associated with it(i.e.
>>pictures, audio, video, etc). The new security center that came with the 
>>XP
>>service pack 2 update will block these pop-ups, making it appear as if the
>>multimedia content is not loading properly. Be sure to allow pop-ups from
>>oldironauction.com. You can feel safe doing so as we will never use pop-up
>>windows as a form of advertising or spyware/adware initialization.
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Dec  1 20:22:33 2004
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 21:22:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fwd
Message-ID: <001501c4d826$8c7b3c60$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>

Hi all,

Don't know why I get these, but here it is. Will try to dig out the reply address for all and post it at the end of message. If that don't work, contact me, and I'll figure it out. 

""
Jeff,

I need some help. Would you please point me in the right direction?

My father bought an EB steam engine from an old sawmill in northern Georgia in the late 70's and paid $5,500 for it. My dad has been in a nursing home for several years now, and my mom wants to sell the land, and there sits this big steam engine on it (it is in Georgia). We would love to sell it. Do you think there is a market for it?

It is a "portable" (it has wheels). The front wheels are missing (if they ever existed) but the large back wheels are there. In fact, my Dad got the thing running years ago with the help of a steam engine enthusiast friend, so I know it has all its necessary parts to run. It's just been sitting there ever since, so I assume it is rusted.

It is a Emerson-Brantingham 60 hp portable. The firebox has two numbers on it: 18103 and 81930. There are two numbers on the front of what I think is referred to as the boiler :923G and 0154G. The wheels are 39" in diameter and the whole thing is about 14' 16" long. My mother is going to send me a photo of it.  

Do you know anything about this steam engine? I appreciate any advice you are willing to offer me.

Donna Turk
Lee's Summit, MO

""

Reply to: Jacob Turk
E-mail Address(es):
  JTURK1 at kc.rr.com

Think that will work. 

Jeff Allen

From oldengin at udata.com  Sat Dec  4 02:53:45 2004
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 05:53:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: 7 hp Witt parts
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F29B05D992DDAC7AD275192C8B10@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY101-F29B05D992DDAC7AD275192C8B10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41B19739.2090301@udata.com>

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Hi There,
>
>   Take your time and have patience as it took 9 years for the exhaust 
> valve to become stuck, it won't become unstuck overnight.
>
Hmmmmm  I thinks it could become unstuck over night with some good ole 
use of the blue wrench and water. Right TED!

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Dec  4 03:49:39 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 06:49:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction
In-Reply-To: <000601c4d9b5$33440420$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>
References: <200412012300380812.0CFFFDE1@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041202223712.02531128@mail.alltel.net>
	<000601c4d9b5$33440420$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>
Message-ID: <9409AEEC-45EA-11D9-8A06-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> If I owned a tractor would I be a FATG?

If you have to ask, certainly.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From mraasch at hickorytech.net  Sat Dec  4 14:09:00 2004
From: mraasch at hickorytech.net (Marc Raasch)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 16:09:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Lesuer Swap meet
Message-ID: <006001c4da4d$dbf7bec0$edff72d8@hickorytech.net>

Does any body know the dates of the Pioneer Power swap meet?
I think it is the last wk end of April 21-22-23
mraascn at hickorytech.net



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Dec  4 14:49:21 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 17:49:21 EST
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Item - Remote Start System - Additional
	Information
Message-ID: <142.3a4b2792.2ee398f1@aol.com>

Hi,
The Bulldog Security remote start system that is on the Charity  Auction is 
NOS.  This item is still in the original box and never been  installed.  It 
actually has two added functions plus remote start  capability.  Not all 
functions have to be used.  If you have an  automobile or truck with power locks, it 
can be wired to remotely open or close  the door locks.  The same is true to 
remotely  open the trunk  which has the electric opening feature.  The remote 
has  adjustable runtime.  This unit was originally purchased in 1999 from  
Heartland America.
I don't believe that this unit will work with a carbureted engine  because of 
the choke and fast idle circuits - only fuel injected  engines are 
compatible.  I am not sure that it will work with a diesel  engine.
You have to get the wiring schematic for your vehicle from Bulldog  Security 
if you don't have a wiring diagram.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria,  California



From b2 at chooka.net  Sat Dec  4 16:33:35 2004
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 18:33:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Lesuer Swap meet
References: <006001c4da4d$dbf7bec0$edff72d8@hickorytech.net>
Message-ID: <003f01c4da62$11604af0$650aa8c0@BILLPC>

Yep, that's the weekend, already got it on the calendar and hope to keep it
open!

B?
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, Minnesota USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marc Raasch" <mraasch at hickorytech.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 4:09 PM
Subject: [SEL] Lesuer Swap meet


> Does any body know the dates of the Pioneer Power swap meet?
> I think it is the last wk end of April 21-22-23
> mraascn at hickorytech.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Dec  4 18:48:43 2004
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:48:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction
References: <200412012300380812.0CFFFDE1@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041202223712.02531128@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <001b01c4da74$ef6e20d0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>

Golly,

Shame shame shame, lame lame lame.

Only 9 items for auction and too of them ar myne. Even if it is a Holifday 
Charity Auction, it's still for charity. Get off your buts and putt sumthing 
up or bid.

Gomer

aka
Jeff Allen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction


> For those new to this Charity Auction (and for old timers like me who have 
> a problem remembering) the Auction is at: 
> http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity
>         Dave
> PS, Can someone please pass this on to the FATG's? Thanks!
>
> At 11:00 PM 12/1/2004, you wrote:
>>It's on.....
>>
>>
>>The 2004 ATIS Holiday Charity Auction has officially started!!!
>>
>>We now have a few items up and it is time to get bidding and get your
>>donations listed.   By the way, there is a technical note after my
>>signature that everyone will need to read.  Also, a few folks have
>>indicated they have had a bit of trouble with the pages, but I couldn't
>>reproduce them, other than symptoms my note below addresses.   As usual,
>>feel free send me an email if you have any question or problem.
>>
>>Spencer Yost
>>Owner, ATIS
>>Plow the Net!
>>http://www.atis.net
>>
>>IMPORTANT: Be sure to allow pop-ups if using Windows XP security center!
>>OldAuction.com makes extensive use of separate pop-up windows whenever an
>>auction item has any type of digital media associated with it(i.e.
>>pictures, audio, video, etc). The new security center that came with the 
>>XP
>>service pack 2 update will block these pop-ups, making it appear as if the
>>multimedia content is not loading properly. Be sure to allow pop-ups from
>>oldironauction.com. You can feel safe doing so as we will never use pop-up
>>windows as a form of advertising or spyware/adware initialization.
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From b2 at chooka.net  Sat Dec  4 19:10:05 2004
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 21:10:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction - trouble posting
References: <200412012300380812.0CFFFDE1@heavyiron.atis.net><6.1.2.0.0.20041202223712.02531128@mail.alltel.net>
	<001b01c4da74$ef6e20d0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>
Message-ID: <007401c4da77$ec00df20$650aa8c0@BILLPC>

Been trying to post items this evening, after a real long wait when I press
the Preview button, I keep getting
Short Read: wanted 8292, got 2816
Wonder if others are having trouble, too.  I've posted OK years past, and
sell regularly on eBay.  Haven't even got XP SP2 to blame, SP2 is not
compatible with my notebook video.

Will try again another day...

B?
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, Minnesota USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction


> Golly,
>
> Shame shame shame, lame lame lame.
>
> Only 9 items for auction and too of them ar myne. Even if it is a Holifday
> Charity Auction, it's still for charity. Get off your buts and putt
sumthing
> up or bid.
>
> Gomer
>
> aka
> Jeff Allen
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction
>
>
> > For those new to this Charity Auction (and for old timers like me who
have
> > a problem remembering) the Auction is at:
> > http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity
> >         Dave
> > PS, Can someone please pass this on to the FATG's? Thanks!
> >
> > At 11:00 PM 12/1/2004, you wrote:
> >>It's on.....
> >>
> >>
> >>The 2004 ATIS Holiday Charity Auction has officially started!!!
> >>
> >>We now have a few items up and it is time to get bidding and get your
> >>donations listed.   By the way, there is a technical note after my
> >>signature that everyone will need to read.  Also, a few folks have
> >>indicated they have had a bit of trouble with the pages, but I couldn't
> >>reproduce them, other than symptoms my note below addresses.   As usual,
> >>feel free send me an email if you have any question or problem.
> >>
> >>Spencer Yost
> >>Owner, ATIS
> >>Plow the Net!
> >>http://www.atis.net
> >>
> >>IMPORTANT: Be sure to allow pop-ups if using Windows XP security center!
> >>OldAuction.com makes extensive use of separate pop-up windows whenever
an
> >>auction item has any type of digital media associated with it(i.e.
> >>pictures, audio, video, etc). The new security center that came with the
> >>XP
> >>service pack 2 update will block these pop-ups, making it appear as if
the
> >>multimedia content is not loading properly. Be sure to allow pop-ups
from
> >>oldironauction.com. You can feel safe doing so as we will never use
pop-up
> >>windows as a form of advertising or spyware/adware initialization.
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>SEL mailing list
> >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
>
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>



From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Dec  4 19:40:54 2004
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 20:40:54 -0700
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction - trouble posting
References: <200412012300380812.0CFFFDE1@heavyiron.atis.net><6.1.2.0.0.20041202223712.02531128@mail.alltel.net><001b01c4da74$ef6e20d0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>
	<007401c4da77$ec00df20$650aa8c0@BILLPC>
Message-ID: <000601c4da7c$39cf3fe0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>

Bill and others,

Had the same problem. Give the server about half an hour after you register 
if you're new like me. Once that's done it works except for the picture 
part. I just put them on a server I use and linked. For those that can't do 
that? Spencer?

Five of nine from two people, and I know the other person.

SHAME, SHAME, SHAME, LAME, LAME, LAME.

Won't ride this nag again cause I done my part.

Later all,

JHB, PHD

aka
Jeff Allen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Brueck" <b2 at chooka.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 8:10 PM
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction - trouble posting


> Been trying to post items this evening, after a real long wait when I 
> press
> the Preview button, I keep getting
> Short Read: wanted 8292, got 2816
> Wonder if others are having trouble, too.  I've posted OK years past, and
> sell regularly on eBay.  Haven't even got XP SP2 to blame, SP2 is not
> compatible with my notebook video.
>
> Will try again another day...
>
> B?
> Bill Brueck (brick)
> Chatfield, Minnesota USA
>
> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 8:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction
>
>
>> Golly,
>>
>> Shame shame shame, lame lame lame.
>>
>> Only 9 items for auction and too of them ar myne. Even if it is a 
>> Holifday
>> Charity Auction, it's still for charity. Get off your buts and putt
> sumthing
>> up or bid.
>>
>> Gomer
>>
>> aka
>> Jeff Allen
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction
>>
>>
>> > For those new to this Charity Auction (and for old timers like me who
> have
>> > a problem remembering) the Auction is at:
>> > http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity
>> >         Dave
>> > PS, Can someone please pass this on to the FATG's? Thanks!
>> >
>> > At 11:00 PM 12/1/2004, you wrote:
>> >>It's on.....
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>The 2004 ATIS Holiday Charity Auction has officially started!!!
>> >>
>> >>We now have a few items up and it is time to get bidding and get your
>> >>donations listed.   By the way, there is a technical note after my
>> >>signature that everyone will need to read.  Also, a few folks have
>> >>indicated they have had a bit of trouble with the pages, but I couldn't
>> >>reproduce them, other than symptoms my note below addresses.   As 
>> >>usual,
>> >>feel free send me an email if you have any question or problem.
>> >>
>> >>Spencer Yost
>> >>Owner, ATIS
>> >>Plow the Net!
>> >>http://www.atis.net
>> >>
>> >>IMPORTANT: Be sure to allow pop-ups if using Windows XP security 
>> >>center!
>> >>OldAuction.com makes extensive use of separate pop-up windows whenever
> an
>> >>auction item has any type of digital media associated with it(i.e.
>> >>pictures, audio, video, etc). The new security center that came with 
>> >>the
>> >>XP
>> >>service pack 2 update will block these pop-ups, making it appear as if
> the
>> >>multimedia content is not loading properly. Be sure to allow pop-ups
> from
>> >>oldironauction.com. You can feel safe doing so as we will never use
> pop-up
>> >>windows as a form of advertising or spyware/adware initialization.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>_______________________________________________
>> >>SEL mailing list
>> >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From b2 at chooka.net  Sat Dec  4 19:45:59 2004
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 21:45:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction - trouble posting
References: <200412012300380812.0CFFFDE1@heavyiron.atis.net><6.1.2.0.0.20041202223712.02531128@mail.alltel.net><001b01c4da74$ef6e20d0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221><007401c4da77$ec00df20$650aa8c0@BILLPC>
	<000601c4da7c$39cf3fe0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>
Message-ID: <008601c4da7c$efffb8d0$650aa8c0@BILLPC>

I wondered if the picture was the problem, will stick them on a linked
server when I get a chance and try that route.

B?
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, Minnesota USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction - trouble posting


> Bill and others,
>
> Had the same problem. Give the server about half an hour after you
register
> if you're new like me. Once that's done it works except for the picture
> part. I just put them on a server I use and linked. For those that can't
do
> that? Spencer?
>
> Five of nine from two people, and I know the other person.
>
> SHAME, SHAME, SHAME, LAME, LAME, LAME.
>
> Won't ride this nag again cause I done my part.
>
> Later all,
>
> JHB, PHD
>
> aka
> Jeff Allen
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bill Brueck" <b2 at chooka.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 8:10 PM
> Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction - trouble posting
>
>
> > Been trying to post items this evening, after a real long wait when I
> > press
> > the Preview button, I keep getting
> > Short Read: wanted 8292, got 2816
> > Wonder if others are having trouble, too.  I've posted OK years past,
and
> > sell regularly on eBay.  Haven't even got XP SP2 to blame, SP2 is not
> > compatible with my notebook video.
> >
> > Will try again another day...
> >
> > B?
> > Bill Brueck (brick)
> > Chatfield, Minnesota USA
> >
> > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 8:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction
> >
> >
> >> Golly,
> >>
> >> Shame shame shame, lame lame lame.
> >>
> >> Only 9 items for auction and too of them ar myne. Even if it is a
> >> Holifday
> >> Charity Auction, it's still for charity. Get off your buts and putt
> > sumthing
> >> up or bid.
> >>
> >> Gomer
> >>
> >> aka
> >> Jeff Allen
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:38 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Holifday Charity Auction
> >>
> >>
> >> > For those new to this Charity Auction (and for old timers like me who
> > have
> >> > a problem remembering) the Auction is at:
> >> > http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity
> >> >         Dave
> >> > PS, Can someone please pass this on to the FATG's? Thanks!
> >> >
> >> > At 11:00 PM 12/1/2004, you wrote:
> >> >>It's on.....
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>The 2004 ATIS Holiday Charity Auction has officially started!!!
> >> >>
> >> >>We now have a few items up and it is time to get bidding and get your
> >> >>donations listed.   By the way, there is a technical note after my
> >> >>signature that everyone will need to read.  Also, a few folks have
> >> >>indicated they have had a bit of trouble with the pages, but I
couldn't
> >> >>reproduce them, other than symptoms my note below addresses.   As
> >> >>usual,
> >> >>feel free send me an email if you have any question or problem.
> >> >>
> >> >>Spencer Yost
> >> >>Owner, ATIS
> >> >>Plow the Net!
> >> >>http://www.atis.net
> >> >>
> >> >>IMPORTANT: Be sure to allow pop-ups if using Windows XP security
> >> >>center!
> >> >>OldAuction.com makes extensive use of separate pop-up windows
whenever
> > an
> >> >>auction item has any type of digital media associated with it(i.e.
> >> >>pictures, audio, video, etc). The new security center that came with
> >> >>the
> >> >>XP
> >> >>service pack 2 update will block these pop-ups, making it appear as
if
> > the
> >> >>multimedia content is not loading properly. Be sure to allow pop-ups
> > from
> >> >>oldironauction.com. You can feel safe doing so as we will never use
> > pop-up
> >> >>windows as a form of advertising or spyware/adware initialization.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>_______________________________________________
> >> >>SEL mailing list
> >> >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > SEL mailing list
> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From wilson at stny.rr.com  Sat Dec  4 22:47:52 2004
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 01:47:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?
Message-ID: <GAEKIMAIANIDDENKHPAOCEDKNGAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>

What do you call the tool that used to make siding for houses?
It has a wooden handle and a cutting edge 90 degrees to the handle.
They would pound this thing into the end of a log and then crank
the handle back and forth to split the log..
Thanks, Glenn

From f86sabre at kcweb.net  Sat Dec  4 22:44:31 2004
From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (F86SABRE)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:44:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?
References: <GAEKIMAIANIDDENKHPAOCEDKNGAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c4da95$e280a340$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>

It was and is called a froe.
Dan Bousman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Wilson" <wilson at stny.rr.com>
To: ".Newsgroup ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 12:47 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?


> What do you call the tool that used to make siding for houses?
> It has a wooden handle and a cutting edge 90 degrees to the handle.
> They would pound this thing into the end of a log and then crank
> the handle back and forth to split the log..
> Thanks, Glenn
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From b2 at chooka.net  Sat Dec  4 22:47:17 2004
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:47:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?
References: <GAEKIMAIANIDDENKHPAOCEDKNGAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c4da96$439982a0$650aa8c0@BILLPC>

Adz: a cutting tool that has a thin arched blade set at right angles to the
handle and is used chiefly for shaping wood.

This what you're looking for?

B?
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, Minnesota USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Wilson" <wilson at stny.rr.com>
To: ".Newsgroup ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 12:47 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?


> What do you call the tool that used to make siding for houses?
> It has a wooden handle and a cutting edge 90 degrees to the handle.
> They would pound this thing into the end of a log and then crank
> the handle back and forth to split the log..
> Thanks, Glenn
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From b2 at chooka.net  Sat Dec  4 22:48:55 2004
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:48:55 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?
References: <GAEKIMAIANIDDENKHPAOCEDKNGAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
	<000a01c4da95$e280a340$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>
Message-ID: <001301c4da96$7d720330$650aa8c0@BILLPC>

Froe: a cleaving tool for splitting cask staves and shingles from the block

So would that be the same thing as the adz?  Or maybe a specialized version
of an adz?

B?
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, Minnesota USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "F86SABRE" <f86sabre at kcweb.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?


> It was and is called a froe.
> Dan Bousman
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Glenn Wilson" <wilson at stny.rr.com>
> To: ".Newsgroup ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 12:47 AM
> Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?
>
>
> > What do you call the tool that used to make siding for houses?
> > It has a wooden handle and a cutting edge 90 degrees to the handle.
> > They would pound this thing into the end of a log and then crank
> > the handle back and forth to split the log..
> > Thanks, Glenn
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Dec  4 23:03:03 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 02:03:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?
In-Reply-To: <001301c4da96$7d720330$650aa8c0@BILLPC>
References: <GAEKIMAIANIDDENKHPAOCEDKNGAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
	<000a01c4da95$e280a340$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>
	<001301c4da96$7d720330$650aa8c0@BILLPC>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205020239.0251bda0@mail.alltel.net>

At 01:48 AM 12/5/2004, you wrote:
>Froe: a cleaving tool for splitting cask staves and shingles from the block
>So would that be the same thing as the adz?  Or maybe a specialized version
>of an adz?
>B?

NO!
         Dave 




From garyepps at fidnet.com  Sat Dec  4 23:38:00 2004
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 01:38:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?
In-Reply-To: <001301c4da96$7d720330$650aa8c0@BILLPC>
References: <GAEKIMAIANIDDENKHPAOCEDKNGAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>	<000a01c4da95$e280a340$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>
	<001301c4da96$7d720330$650aa8c0@BILLPC>
Message-ID: <41B2BAD8.8000909@fidnet.com>

Bill, adz is used to shape wood while a froe is used to split wood.  As 
in a split shake shingle.  The adz is used with a somewhat of a chopping 
motion like a hoe or mattock while the froe is struck with a club or 
mallet usually made of wood.  The adz is used to "hollow out" wood in 
much the same way a scorp does on a smaller scale.  Admittedly the scorp 
   is used with a pulling motion.  You might use a scorp to hollow out 
the bottom of a wood chair while you might use an adz to hollow out a 
log to make a canoe or boat.

Gary

Bill Brueck wrote:
> Froe: a cleaving tool for splitting cask staves and shingles from the block
> 
> So would that be the same thing as the adz?  Or maybe a specialized version
> of an adz?
> 
> B?
> Bill Brueck (brick)
> Chatfield, Minnesota USA
> 
> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "F86SABRE" <f86sabre at kcweb.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 12:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?
> 
> 
> 
>>It was and is called a froe.
>>Dan Bousman
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Glenn Wilson" <wilson at stny.rr.com>
>>To: ".Newsgroup ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 12:47 AM
>>Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?
>>
>>
>>
>>>What do you call the tool that used to make siding for houses?
>>>It has a wooden handle and a cutting edge 90 degrees to the handle.
>>>They would pound this thing into the end of a log and then crank
>>>the handle back and forth to split the log..
>>>Thanks, Glenn
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 

-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Dec  5 04:42:16 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:42:16 -0000
Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?
References: <GAEKIMAIANIDDENKHPAOCEDKNGAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>	<000a01c4da95$e280a340$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv><001301c4da96$7d720330$650aa8c0@BILLPC>
	<41B2BAD8.8000909@fidnet.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c4dac7$db215b80$8c9f0952@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Epps" <garyepps at fidnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?


> Bill, adz is used to shape wood while a froe is used to split wood.  As 
> in a split shake shingle.  The adz is used with a somewhat of a chopping 
> motion like a hoe or mattock while the froe is struck with a club or 
> mallet usually made of wood.  The adz is used to "hollow out" wood in 
> much the same way a scorp does on a smaller scale.  Admittedly the scorp 
>    is used with a pulling motion.  You might use a scorp to hollow out 
> the bottom of a wood chair while you might use an adz to hollow out a 
> log to make a canoe or boat.
> Gary

I have copied two photos onto a print on my Webshots temp folder.
see http://community.webshots.com/album/130641573UmLWSW
Might take 30 minuits to appear.
(Froe Adz)
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From wilson at stny.rr.com  Sun Dec  5 08:42:17 2004
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:42:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?
In-Reply-To: <002a01c4dac7$db215b80$8c9f0952@no1>
Message-ID: <GAEKIMAIANIDDENKHPAOMEDMNGAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>

Thanks to all who answered.. Froe is what I will be looking for.
Glenn Wilson




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Dec  5 08:38:05 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 11:38:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Marvel 9A Horizontal Power Hacksaw
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205113555.021beb90@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
	I just "won" this thing on e-bay thanks to Arnie. Anyone have any 
information on it? See: 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3856476779
	Dave 



From christison at coastalnet.com  Sun Dec  5 09:13:52 2004
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:13:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Marvel 9A Horizontal Power Hacksaw
Message-ID: <410-220041205171352781@coastalnet.com>


Looks like quite a machine!  Here is all I have on that:
http://www.oldiron-nut.com/temp/marvel-9A.jpg

Take care.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 12/5/2004 11:45:09 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Marvel 9A Horizontal Power Hacksaw
>
> Hi All,
> 	I just "won" this thing on e-bay




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Dec  5 09:26:35 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 09:26:35 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Marvel 9A Horizontal Power Hacksaw
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205113555.021beb90@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <200412051726.iB5HQZa1081924@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


> 	I just "won" this thing on e-bay thanks to Arnie. 
> Anyone have any information on it? See: 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3856476779
> 	Dave 

Hi Dave,
You've just purchased a horizontal power hacksaw.  It's a Marvel model 9A.  The
capacity is nine inches.  It was manufactured by Armstrong Blum, and has a two
horsepower motor that runs at 1750 rpm.  It's a dual voltage, 115/230 single
phase motor that draws 25/12.5 amps.  

Rob


=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 










From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Dec  5 10:22:09 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 13:22:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Marvel 9A Horizontal Power Hacksaw
In-Reply-To: <410-220041205171352781@coastalnet.com>
References: <410-220041205171352781@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205131840.021d5538@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Ken,
         That's the sort of info that I need. However, I can't read it. Can 
you tell me what the weight of the 9A is please? The seller thinks it 
weighs 4,000 lbs. I would guess it's more like 2,000 lbs.? Thanks!
         Dave

At 12:13 PM 12/5/2004, you wrote:

>Looks like quite a machine!  Here is all I have on that:
>http://www.oldiron-nut.com/temp/marvel-9A.jpg
>
>Take care.
>
>Ken
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
> > To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 12/5/2004 11:45:09 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] Marvel 9A Horizontal Power Hacksaw
> >
> > Hi All,
> >       I just "won" this thing on e-bay
>
>
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From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Sun Dec  5 10:26:35 2004
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:26:35 EST
Subject: [SEL] Marvel 9A Horizontal Power Hacksaw
Message-ID: <1d6.31787a19.2ee4acdb@aol.com>


Hi Dave,
Nice hacksaw.  I wonder about the weight, though.  The seller says 4,000 LB 
which is as nothing to the kinds of loads you usually haul but I wonder if your 
saw has a solid cast iron base in order to weigh that much.  Do you know?
Regards,
Ron in beautiful Northern Missouri where the temperature yesterday got into 
the 50's.
(and today is thinking of spitting snow at us)

In a message dated 12/5/2004 11:27:43 AM Central Standard Time, 
rskinner at rustyiron.com writes:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3856476779


From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Dec  5 10:39:32 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 13:39:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Marvel 9A Horizontal Power Hacksaw
In-Reply-To: <1d6.31787a19.2ee4acdb@aol.com>
References: <1d6.31787a19.2ee4acdb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205133548.02361900@mail.alltel.net>


>Hi Dave,
>Nice hacksaw.  I wonder about the weight, though.  The seller says 4,000 LB
>which is as nothing to the kinds of loads you usually haul but I wonder if 
>your
>saw has a solid cast iron base in order to weigh that much.  Do you know?
>Regards,
>Ron in beautiful Northern Missouri where the temperature yesterday got into
>the 50's.
>(and today is thinking of spitting snow at us)

The literature that Ken posted to the List indicates that the saw is about 
3,000 lbs. (I finally figured out how the enlarge it so that I could read 
it.) I think the base must be cast iron--but surely NOT solid! I'll take 
the 7,000 gvw trailer. It weighs just over 2,200 lbs, so I'll be well w/in 
the limit.
         Dave



From oldiron at charter.net  Sat Dec  4 16:00:00 2004
From: oldiron at charter.net (OldIron)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 18:00:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Le Sueur Swap meet
In-Reply-To: <006001c4da4d$dbf7bec0$edff72d8@hickorytech.net>
Message-ID: <000001c4da5d$5e47e440$6401a8c0@myron>

According to the web site.

April 22, 23, 24, 2005
http://www.pioneerpowershow.com/swapmeet.html

Photo's at of atis members are on Bill site.
http://www.apluscomputer.com/atis/

Myron Busch
Northfield Mn.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Marc Raasch
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 4:09 PM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Lesuer Swap meet
> 
> 
> Does any body know the dates of the Pioneer Power swap meet?
> I think it is the last wk end of April 21-22-23 
> mraascn at hickorytech.net
> 
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Dec  5 18:20:37 2004
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 19:20:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Auction, OT?
Message-ID: <001f01c4db3a$2cf953a0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>

Hi all,

Off topic item, but I'll put em up for auction if anyone can use them. Canon BCI-6Y, BCI-BK, BCI-C, BCI-PC, two BCI-6M printer cartridges. I am speaking of the charity auction here. Cheap bastards on e-bay had there chance. Trash can or ATIS auction? Can anyone use these?

Jeff Allen

From alanb2 at webtv.net  Sun Dec  5 06:13:11 2004
From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 09:13:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?
In-Reply-To: Gary Epps <garyepps@fidnet.com>'s message of Sun, 05 Dec 2004
	01:38:00 -0600
Message-ID: <6646-41B31777-10@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net>

So, Who has an extra Froe to put on the Charity Auction?

I have several Adzes SP?    Just what is the plurel of adz????

We used to take 8X8 wood beams and use an adz to give them a hand hewn
look.  I did a LOT of them that way.

Alan Bowen  alanb2 at webtv.net
Williamsburg, Michigan
http://community.webtv.net/alanb2/ATISAuctionItems



From alanb2 at webtv.net  Sun Dec  5 11:46:46 2004
From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:46:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Marvel 9A Horizontal Power Hacksaw
In-Reply-To: Dave Rotigel <rotigel@alltel.net>'s message of Sun, 05 Dec
	2004 11:38:05 -0500
Message-ID: <13602-41B365A6-805@storefull-3276.bay.webtv.net>

Wow Dave,

That looks like a beast.  I suppose it could be a fun toy though.

Last year I got an old flat belt powered on that must weigh 500-650
pounds.

This year at the Buckley Fall swap meet I got another one that was
powered from a line shaft and weighs in around 200 pounds.  That is the
one I will be taking to shows to play with.

I also was given an old wood lathe by the Buckley Club.  I need to find
the stuff to build a line shaft that I can set up and take down for
shows.

This long narrow wood lathe must have had some dedicated use in the
past.

Have fun with your "new" toy.

Alan Bowen

~~~~~~Dave?Rotigel wrote~~~~

Hi All, 
????????????????I just "won" this thing
on e-bay thanks to Arnie. Anyone have any information on it? See: 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3856476779 ? ?
? 
Dave 
------------------------------------------------------

Alan Bowen  alanb2 at webtv.net
Williamsburg, Michigan
http://community.webtv.net/alanb2/ATISAuctionItems




From bill at antique-engines.com  Sun Dec  5 21:31:42 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 23:31:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Marvel 9A Horizontal Power Hacksaw
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041205133548.02361900@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <200412060529.iB65TgwX096957@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Congratulations, Dave!
Now you don't have to use an AX on those little smokies - you can cut them
in half while sipping from a shims-tock can.....

Bill
Runnells, IA
bill at antique-engines.com

(THIS IS A TEST OF A BRAND NEW COMPUTER - 
is it working?)
powered by NF7-S2 ABIT mobo with dual Maxtor 120 gig drives (RAID yet to
come), 1gig dual plane DDR400 RAM, FX5700 NVIDIA video card with multi-media
center, Pioneer DVD/CD/CDRW burner (16x16 will burn any DVD format), AMD
2800+ processor, 500watt psu, Logitech cordless optical mouse/keyboard,
WinXP Pro/SP2, Office 2003, ULEAD DVD Movie Factory.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 12:40 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Marvel 9A Horizontal Power Hacksaw


>Hi Dave,
>Nice hacksaw.  I wonder about the weight, though.  The seller says 4,000 LB
>which is as nothing to the kinds of loads you usually haul but I wonder if 
>your
>saw has a solid cast iron base in order to weigh that much.  Do you know?
>Regards,
>Ron in beautiful Northern Missouri where the temperature yesterday got into
>the 50's.
>(and today is thinking of spitting snow at us)

The literature that Ken posted to the List indicates that the saw is about 
3,000 lbs. (I finally figured out how the enlarge it so that I could read 
it.) I think the base must be cast iron--but surely NOT solid! I'll take 
the 7,000 gvw trailer. It weighs just over 2,200 lbs, so I'll be well w/in 
the limit.
         Dave

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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Dec  5 09:42:32 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:42:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Marvel 9A Horizontal Power Hacksaw
In-Reply-To: <200412051726.iB5HQZa1081924@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200412051726.iB5HQZa1081924@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <0AEF6335-46E5-11D9-AE3B-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

And it's currently wired for 220V.

John

> Hi Dave,
> You've just purchased a horizontal power hacksaw.  It's a Marvel model 
> 9A.  The
> capacity is nine inches.  It was manufactured by Armstrong Blum, and 
> has a two
> horsepower motor that runs at 1750 rpm.  It's a dual voltage, 115/230 
> single
> phase motor that draws 25/12.5 amps.
>
> Rob


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Dec  5 08:44:02 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:44:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT what do you call that tool?
In-Reply-To: <000a01c4da95$e280a340$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>
References: <GAEKIMAIANIDDENKHPAOCEDKNGAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
	<000a01c4da95$e280a340$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>
Message-ID: <DE8EC5DC-46DC-11D9-AE3B-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

And is responsible for the saying that someone or something is "dull as 
a froe."

John

On Dec 5, 2004, at 1:44 AM, F86SABRE wrote:

> It was and is called a froe.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu  Mon Dec  6 07:06:28 2004
From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:06:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Springfield models
Message-ID: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9D9@email05.bsu.edu>

My understanding is the same as marv in minn
 
Don 

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of MARVIN HEDBERG
Sent: Fri 12/3/2004 3:50 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Springfield models



i believe that wayne grenning scaled and made all of the springfield models.
as far as i know, no kits were avalible.

marv in minn

>
>> Don, who has the model kits of Springfields? I believe I know who
>> handles the others you have pictured...    Good page.
>>
>> --
>> C-ya
>>
>>   Leroy Clark
>>

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From Aermoter at aol.com  Mon Dec  6 07:39:20 2004
From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:39:20 EST
Subject: [SEL] Springfield models
Message-ID: <e8.7ed9c46.2ee5d728@aol.com>

After the problems Wayne Grenning experienced with his first model which I 
cannot remember the name of but was a strange inverted model (many people had 
problems getting it to run) that he decided to only sell completed models.  A 
person told me once (read that as a Person told me once and not my thoughts) 
that Wayne had told them that he didn't feel anyone but himself was skilled 
enough to build his models.  Weather any of this is true is for you to decide.

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Dec  6 16:34:33 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:34:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Lake Forest show
Message-ID: <20041206.163433.1296.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
For those of you in the areas where it is too cold to play with your
toys; here a few pictures of the WAPA display at Lake Forest.  Just South
of Irvine along I 5, in Southern California.

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31521234&f=0&vt=mp

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Dec  7 11:21:02 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 14:21:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Scale Rock Crusher
In-Reply-To: <000001c4d74d$96d40ef0$6401a8c0@TBerry>
References: <000001c4d74d$96d40ef0$6401a8c0@TBerry>
Message-ID: <41B6029E.7080503@imc-group.com>

Guy and gals,
Tommy posted this last week and I've put up pictures of his rock crusher 
project on our club web site.
Here is the link:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/RockCrusherModel/Thumbnails.html

This rock crusher project is just scratching the surface of his many 
talents.
If you have any questions about the crusher his contact information is 
in the original email below.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


Tommy Berry wrote:

>Curt has accused me of lurking on the list because I do not Post often.My
>name is Tommy Berry my wifes name is Beverly.We operate a small machine and
>fabrication shop In Kings Mtn. NC.One of my winter projects is a production
>run of small1/3 scale 4? x6? assey jaw crusher.It weighs about 25 lbs.It
>has6? x1 ?? flywheels. The little crusher can be powered by a large model
>such as Shellys Galloway or a 1 HP Tom thumb gas engine. The crusher comes
>with hardned jaw plates,cheek plates and screw jaw adjustment.Justlike the
>original. The price is 950.00 plus shipping. My email address is
>tberry6 at carolina.rr.com the shop Phone is 704-739-5913 M-F 8-6 . Other than
>models we collect and restore IHC engines Famous and Moguls also Ohio and
>Newway and Fairbanks engines. My friend Ray Medford and I displayed at
>Portland This year with the list Bunch.I have a subscriber  for a year and
>haven?t posted because my comments on most engine issues would be echoes.
>Pray for me because I live halfway between the Roysters and Curt Holland.
>Tommy
>
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>
>
>  
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Dec  7 12:14:25 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 15:14:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Lake Forest show
In-Reply-To: <20041206.163433.1296.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20041206.163433.1296.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <41B60F21.1050506@imc-group.com>

Ron,
Thanks for sharing your photos with us. It must be really neat to live 
where you can just walk over to a tree and pick oranges for several 
months of the year.
I'd be OD'ing on the abundant vitamin C !
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

>Hi all.
>For those of you in the areas where it is too cold to play with your
>toys; here a few pictures of the WAPA display at Lake Forest.  Just South
>of Irvine along I 5, in Southern California.
>
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31521234&f=0&vt=mp
>
>  
>



From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu  Tue Dec  7 13:31:28 2004
From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:31:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Springfield models
Message-ID: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9DA@email05.bsu.edu>

I think his first model was the Otto-Langen (atmospheric engine, an earlier engine than a compression engine).
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker/shows/various-3/otto-langen1sixthscalemodel.jpg 
 
Don

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Aermoter at aol.com
Sent: Mon 12/6/2004 10:39 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Springfield models



After the problems Wayne Grenning experienced with his first model which I
cannot remember the name of but was a strange inverted model (many people had
problems getting it to run) that he decided to only sell completed models.  A
person told me once (read that as a Person told me once and not my thoughts)
that Wayne had told them that he didn't feel anyone but himself was skilled
enough to build his models.  Weather any of this is true is for you to decide.

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com
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From alanb2 at webtv.net  Tue Dec  7 14:40:14 2004
From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:40:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holiday Charity Auction
In-Reply-To: Dave Rotigel <rotigel@alltel.net>'s message of Thu, 02 Dec
	2004 22:38:19 -0500
Message-ID: <3237-41B6314E-4650@storefull-3277.bay.webtv.net>

What's going on here,

This is the slowest start to the December ATIS Charity Auction that I
have ever seen.

Where are those World Famous, Internationally Traveled, Blue Handled,
Fence Pliers??????

Come on folks, Let's get some interesting items posted.

Pleeeeeeease.

Alan Bowen  alanb2 at webtv.net
Williamsburg, Michigan
http://community.webtv.net/alanb2/ATISAuctionItems



From Aermoter at aol.com  Tue Dec  7 17:40:15 2004
From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:40:15 EST
Subject: [SEL] Springfield models
Message-ID: <1ed.3084fdd6.2ee7b57f@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/7/2004 5:45:26 PM Central Standard Time, 
00dlsiefker at bsu.edu writes:
I think his first model was the Otto-Langen (atmospheric engine, an earlier 
engine than a compression engine
It was an inverted English type engine with a single flywheel that was down 
lower on the base.  The main casting used for the block was fancy.  It seems 
like it started with Strom or Stom or something like that.

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com


From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu  Tue Dec  7 20:12:36 2004
From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:12:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Springfield models
Message-ID: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9DB@email05.bsu.edu>

TIm, 
 
Sombart (Bisschop).
 
Don 

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Aermoter at aol.com
Sent: Tue 12/7/2004 8:40 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Springfield models



In a message dated 12/7/2004 5:45:26 PM Central Standard Time,
00dlsiefker at bsu.edu writes:
I think his first model was the Otto-Langen (atmospheric engine, an earlier
engine than a compression engine
It was an inverted English type engine with a single flywheel that was down
lower on the base.  The main casting used for the block was fancy.  It seems
like it started with Strom or Stom or something like that.

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com
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From b2 at chooka.net  Tue Dec  7 21:41:47 2004
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:41:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holiday Charity Auction
References: <3237-41B6314E-4650@storefull-3277.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <004501c4dce8$9c14aaa0$650aa8c0@BILLPC>

Don't have time to try again tonight, but I've been unable to post an item
and upload a picture for a few days now.  I mentioned this on one of the
lists recently, maybe the tractor list, and others reported the same
experience.

I've posted items OK years past, and post to eBay regularly.  I suspect if I
uploaded the pics to a server and referenced them it would be OK.

B?
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, Minnesota USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Bowen" <alanb2 at webtv.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 4:40 PM
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holiday Charity Auction


> What's going on here,
>
> This is the slowest start to the December ATIS Charity Auction that I
> have ever seen.
>
> Where are those World Famous, Internationally Traveled, Blue Handled,
> Fence Pliers??????
>
> Come on folks, Let's get some interesting items posted.
>
> Pleeeeeeease.
>
> Alan Bowen  alanb2 at webtv.net
> Williamsburg, Michigan
> http://community.webtv.net/alanb2/ATISAuctionItems
>
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>



From Aermoter at aol.com  Tue Dec  7 20:19:06 2004
From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:19:06 EST
Subject: [SEL] Springfield models
Message-ID: <c0.1d4dd15c.2ee7daba@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/7/2004 10:17:26 PM Central Standard Time, 
00dlsiefker at bsu.edu writes:
Sombart (Bisschop).
that sounds like it

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com


From driggars at earthlink.net  Wed Dec  8 09:59:52 2004
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 11:59:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Nee a move made
References: <3237-41B6314E-4650@storefull-3277.bay.webtv.net>
	<004501c4dce8$9c14aaa0$650aa8c0@BILLPC>
Message-ID: <01d401c4dd4f$b875cfa0$c3458304@clinton>


I am thinking of making a ourchase for a used case Backhoe in Ohio. If I make
the purchase, I need to know if anyone will be doing any hauling up that way
and need to pick up a load for coming back?
I need it hauled from Ohio to North Texas?

Clint




From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Dec  8 07:48:33 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 10:48:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Springfield models
In-Reply-To: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9DB@email05.bsu.edu>
References: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9DB@email05.bsu.edu>
Message-ID: <41B72251.9070107@imc-group.com>

Tim, Don,
Here are a couple of pictures of the one brought to Coolsprings this 
summer. One of those opportunities of a life time to get to see one!
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Coolsprings2004/P6180130.JPG
and 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Coolsprings2004/P6180131.JPG
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

SIEFKER, DONALD L wrote:

>TIm, 
> 
>Sombart (Bisschop).
> 
>Don 
>
>  
>



From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Wed Dec  8 09:04:17 2004
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:04:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] New item on ATIS Charity Auction
In-Reply-To: <41B6029E.7080503@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <20041208170417.36707.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com>

Now up for auction.  Tried listing last week, but looks like there is a
problem posting pictures (now hosted on other web site).

Mini John Deere Engine Model made by Turtle Creek Scale Models.

http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity&1104338220

If anyone wants one before christmas, let me know via offlist email.  Let
me know that it was sourced from the atis charity aucion and I will make
an additional donation after the auction ends.  

I also have other models made by the same company.  They are show at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/TurtleCreekModels/turtlecreek.htm

Steve

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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Dec  8 00:46:58 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 08:46:58 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Springfield models
References: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9DB@email05.bsu.edu>
Message-ID: <001c01c4dd02$7bc94e80$8c9f0952@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SIEFKER, DONALD L" <00dlsiefker at bsu.edu>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 4:12 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Springfield models


> Sombart (Bisschop).
> Don 

Have a look at my ninth & tenth pictures at
http://community.webshots.com/album/26047737QuuZsbPbbw
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From cjclem at sysim.net  Wed Dec  8 16:20:16 2004
From: cjclem at sysim.net (John)
Date: Wed,  8 Dec 2004 18:20:16 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT / K 9 Dog bites Nude Burglar,Guess Where?
Message-ID: <1102551616.41b79a406a8ca@webmail.sysim.net>

Click Here> http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_343171841.html  




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Dec  9 00:35:44 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:35:44 +1100
Subject: [SEL] For Rob &Kelley
Message-ID: <00df01c4ddca$fc600520$750d1bd3@athlon>

I have tried to mail you both but all mail is returned.

<<To: <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 7:40 AM
Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender


> This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
>
> A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
> recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
>
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Dec  9 01:52:47 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:52:47 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Springfield models
References: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9DB@email05.bsu.edu>
	<41B72251.9070107@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <001201c4ddd4$d7f7e810$8c9f0952@no1>

Hi Curt, Was the Sombart an American made Bischop?
I know of only one privately owned Bischop & a few in
Museums,
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Springfield models


> Tim, Don,
> Here are a couple of pictures of the one brought to Coolsprings this 
> summer. One of those opportunities of a life time to get to see one!
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Coolsprings2004/P6180130.JPG
> and 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Coolsprings2004/P6180131.JPG
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> 
> SIEFKER, DONALD L wrote:
> 
> >TIm, 
> > 
> >Sombart (Bisschop).
> > 
> >Don 
> >
> >  
> >
> 
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From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Dec  9 00:22:05 2004
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:22:05 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] Photos available?
Message-ID: <20041209082205.78646.qmail@web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi all

Just a long shot, but does anyone have any photos of any (or all!) of the following engines:

     1.  Atkinson Cycle (the real one, not the Gingery or Joe Tochtrop's model)
         (I have one picture of the engine from the Ford Dearborn Museum)
     2.  Gardner Type 'O'
     3.  Retlas
     4.  Robinson Type 'X'

I am trying to research these engines with a view to building models of them.  The cognoscenti
will recognise that the last three are available as casting sets from Alyn Foundry in Wales.

Many thanks in anticipation.




	
	
		
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From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Dec  9 04:55:13 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 07:55:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Springfield models
In-Reply-To: <001201c4ddd4$d7f7e810$8c9f0952@no1>
References: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9DB@email05.bsu.edu>	<41B72251.9070107@imc-group.com>
	<001201c4ddd4$d7f7e810$8c9f0952@no1>
Message-ID: <41B84B31.20609@imc-group.com>

Dave,
I really can't answer any questions about this engine. The base does 
have Hartford, Conn cast into it and that is a city in our state of 
Connecticut. Someone there told me this was the engine featured in 
Greyson's Beautiful Engines book.
I could look up some information about it this evening to see if it was 
a Bischop made under license......something about that sound familiar.....
Curt

Dave Croft wrote:

>Hi Curt, Was the Sombart an American made Bischop?
>I know of only one privately owned Bischop & a few in
>Museums,
>Dave Croft
>Warrington
>England
>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 3:48 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Springfield models
>
>
>  
>
>>Tim, Don,
>>Here are a couple of pictures of the one brought to Coolsprings this 
>>summer. One of those opportunities of a life time to get to see one!
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Coolsprings2004/P6180130.JPG
>>and 
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Coolsprings2004/P6180131.JPG
>>Curt Holland
>>Gastonia, NC
>>
>>SIEFKER, DONALD L wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>TIm, 
>>>
>>>Sombart (Bisschop).
>>>
>>>Don 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>    
>>
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>
>
>  
>



From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Thu Dec  9 06:06:48 2004
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 15:06:48 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Photos available?
References: <20041209082205.78646.qmail@web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c4ddf8$533d9830$3775833e@harryp1811>

David,
I have some photo's of a Gardner that I would be glad to send you,
unfortunately I can not tell if it is a type 0, or type 1.
I don't know much about Gardener but IMHO they are the same except the 1
beeing a bit bigger right?



Harry Terpstra
Sint Annaparochie
Netherlands
h.terpstra at wxs.nl
http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html



----- Original Message -----
From: "David Everett" <deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 9:22 AM
Subject: [SEL] Photos available?


> Hi all
>
> Just a long shot, but does anyone have any photos of any (or all!) of the
following engines:
>
>      1.  Atkinson Cycle (the real one, not the Gingery or Joe Tochtrop's
model)
>          (I have one picture of the engine from the Ford Dearborn Museum)
>      2.  Gardner Type 'O'
>      3.  Retlas
>      4.  Robinson Type 'X'
>
> I am trying to research these engines with a view to building models of
them.  The cognoscenti
> will recognise that the last three are available as casting sets from Alyn
Foundry in Wales.
>
> Many thanks in anticipation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ___________________________________________________________
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Dec  9 08:44:07 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:44:07 -0800
Subject: [SEL] For Rob &Kelley [Now] For Reggie
In-Reply-To: <00df01c4ddca$fc600520$750d1bd3@athlon>
Message-ID: <200412091644.iB9GiBZC047363@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

> I have tried to mail you both but all mail is returned.

Tuning up the server, mate!  

Trying to get it to tick over as slowly as possible, but it died.  Should be
working now.  If it happens again, please let me know.

Rob





From jnyost at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  9 08:52:10 2004
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:52:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT / K 9 Dog bites Nude Burglar,Guess Where?
In-Reply-To: <1102551616.41b79a406a8ca@webmail.sysim.net>
Message-ID: <20041209165210.95900.qmail@web40614.mail.yahoo.com>

John,

I will guess where. Probably right at home!!!!!!!!!

Jim


--- John <cjclem at sysim.net> wrote:

> Click Here>
>
http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_343171841.html
>  
> 
> 
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From shop at cccomm.net  Thu Dec  9 10:22:24 2004
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:22:24 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Novo I Bought
Message-ID: <009c01c4de1c$0a127990$6501a8c0@Shop>

This poor thing sat outside for a long time and had water in it everywhere. I cleaned it up and fired it for the first time today. I has excellent compression, but smokes heavily. I ran it for about a half hour and it didn't clean up much.
These things have oil rings? I did find the oiler was dumping way too much oil in the cylinder so I disconnected it, but that didn't help much.
Ideas? 
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009545
look under Novo
Dave

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Dec  9 11:21:06 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:21:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Novo I Bought
In-Reply-To: <009c01c4de1c$0a127990$6501a8c0@Shop>
References: <009c01c4de1c$0a127990$6501a8c0@Shop>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412091412030.17218@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Dave,

Pull one of the hand-hole covers and see how much oil/water/stuff is
in the crankcase.  Then drain the mung that's in there, clean it well with
kero, and add some fresh oil.  You want the nuts on the end of the con rod
to _just_ dip into the oil; maybe 1/8", no more.

I'm guessing that you may have more fluid than that in the crankcase
which is splashing up into the cylinder.

And for what its worth, most of the Novo "S" engines that I've seen do
smoke some, but not as much as the Novo in your pics.  Helps to keep the
area mosquito free.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Don't forget to turn the oiler back on and set it to ~1 drop per
minute / hp.

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, Dave Ernst wrote:

> This poor thing sat outside for a long time and had water in it everywhere. I cleaned it up and fired it for the first time today. I has excellent compression, but smokes heavily. I ran it for about a half hour and it didn't clean up much.
> These things have oil rings? I did find the oiler was dumping way too much oil in the cylinder so I disconnected it, but that didn't help much.
> Ideas?
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009545
> look under Novo



From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Dec  9 14:15:32 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:15:32 EST
Subject: [SEL] Novo I Bought
Message-ID: <ea.5e5c3634.2eea2884@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/9/2004 1:58:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
shop at cccomm.net writes:

<< This poor thing sat outside for a long time >>
Dave,

Nice engine.  Mine sat out for quite awhile too.  Had to cut one of the 
valves out.  I need to get it back together.  Lots of goodies hanging on the shop 
walls too I see!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  9 18:01:04 2004
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:01:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT, e-bay sales
Message-ID: <000601c4de5c$1bdad420$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>

Hi all, 

Just got an inquiry tonight from OZ on something I have on e-bay. Anyone have experience with international shipping from the USA please contact me off list. 
Thanks, 

Jeff Allen

transteck at earthlink.net


From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Dec  9 07:59:54 2004
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:59:54 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] Photos available?
In-Reply-To: <002a01c4ddf8$533d9830$3775833e@harryp1811>
Message-ID: <20041209155954.17454.qmail@web25007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi Harry

Many thanks for your reply.  

I don't know about size.  The type 'O' gas engine dated from about 1900 and was in production for
25 years - at least that is what Alyn Foundry tell me!

If it is not too much trouble, would you mind sending me your photos.  I haven't had any other
offers to date: information must be scarce, so who is going to know the difference?!

Regards

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea



 --- Harry Terpstra <h.terpstra at wxs.nl> wrote: 
> David,
> I have some photo's of a Gardner that I would be glad to send you, unfortunately I can not tell 
> if it is a type 0, or type 1.
> I don't know much about Gardener but IMHO they are the same except the 1 beeing a bit bigger 
> right?


		
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From b2 at chooka.net  Thu Dec  9 19:14:29 2004
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:14:29 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT, e-bay sales
References: <000601c4de5c$1bdad420$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>
Message-ID: <002e01c4de66$5d298890$650aa8c0@BILLPC>

I think this is fair content for the list, with members all over the world
we do swap things around once in a while.

My answer is short, maybe others know more:  www.usps.gov.  The form you
fill out at the post office is pretty simple.  When I sell on eBay I have a
policy of charging the usps cost + $10.

I've made maybe a dozen overseas shipments, little hassle and all worked out
fine.

I tried to go through UPS since they pick up right at my business.  I got
discouraged with the required paperwork.  And when I compared rates on their
website against USPS they were more expensive.

Contrasting experiences would be most welcome.  And I've not a clue what to
do if we're talking something heavy.  My biggest package was probably 20
pounds.

B?
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, Minnesota USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 8:01 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT, e-bay sales


Hi all,

Just got an inquiry tonight from OZ on something I have on e-bay. Anyone
have experience with international shipping from the USA please contact me
off list.
Thanks,

Jeff Allen

transteck at earthlink.net
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From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Dec  9 19:28:32 2004
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 03:28:32 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] OT, e-bay sales
In-Reply-To: <002e01c4de66$5d298890$650aa8c0@BILLPC>
Message-ID: <20041210032832.43372.qmail@web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

I have Recieved a 60lbs package in the UK from the US, initially using UPS (or other courier). 
First time round, the package got lost at their depot.  The second time around, the shipper sent
via USPS airfreight (!) and it got through with no problems, including the overzealous British
Customs.

Now out here might be a diffferent story!

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea

 --- Bill Brueck <b2 at chooka.net> wrote: 
> My answer is short, maybe others know more:  www.usps.gov.  
> 
> Contrasting experiences would be most welcome.  And I've not a clue what to
> do if we're talking something heavy.  My biggest package was probably 20
> pounds.


		
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  9 20:04:41 2004
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:04:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT, e-bay sales
References: <000601c4de5c$1bdad420$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>
	<002e01c4de66$5d298890$650aa8c0@BILLPC>
Message-ID: <001a01c4de6d$6073a650$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>

Bill,

Maybe this is a good topic. What is common in one country may be hard to 
find in another. No reason for us not to offer shipping to our engine 
buddies worldwide, and from what you say it's not too hard. Off list 
comments reflect yours, and I'll be offering international shipping in the 
future. I did go to the usps.gov site, and somewhat confusing. Figure the 
best way is to go in and do it.

Now boys and girls, if there is any interest on the planet for what I have 
available, I will add it to the ATIS charity auction. Springs.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3858151966&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT
Blatant add, but I can add several lots for charity if there is interest. 
Also have some larger ones. Lemme no and I'll put em up.

Jeff Allen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Brueck" <b2 at chooka.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, e-bay sales


>I think this is fair content for the list, with members all over the world
> we do swap things around once in a while.
>
> My answer is short, maybe others know more:  www.usps.gov.  The form you
> fill out at the post office is pretty simple.  When I sell on eBay I have 
> a
> policy of charging the usps cost + $10.
>
> I've made maybe a dozen overseas shipments, little hassle and all worked 
> out
> fine.
>
> I tried to go through UPS since they pick up right at my business.  I got
> discouraged with the required paperwork.  And when I compared rates on 
> their
> website against USPS they were more expensive.
>
> Contrasting experiences would be most welcome.  And I've not a clue what 
> to
> do if we're talking something heavy.  My biggest package was probably 20
> pounds.
>
> B?
> Bill Brueck (brick)
> Chatfield, Minnesota USA
>
> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 8:01 PM
> Subject: [SEL] OT, e-bay sales
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just got an inquiry tonight from OZ on something I have on e-bay. Anyone
> have experience with international shipping from the USA please contact me
> off list.
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff Allen
>
> transteck at earthlink.net
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From rustyiron at bigpond.com  Thu Dec  9 07:56:55 2004
From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:56:55 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT, e-bay sales
References: <000601c4de5c$1bdad420$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>
Message-ID: <004e01c4de07$bdc729a0$06d4fea9@ibmbnh186c>

Hi Jeff, Speaking from this end, they attach a form CN22 (Customs
Declaration) and a stamp and post it. I've never had to pay handling as some
times I end up buying of a list member any way, and they are always egger to
help. Besides it's not me is it????
Andy....

Andy Nicholson
Exmouth W.A.
Oz.
rustyiron at bigpond.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 10:01 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT, e-bay sales


Hi all,

Just got an inquiry tonight from OZ on something I have on e-bay. Anyone
have experience with international shipping from the USA please contact me
off list.
Thanks,

Jeff Allen

transteck at earthlink.net
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec  9 18:35:32 2004
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 20:35:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Peg & Bill Pfiffer's e-mail address
Message-ID: <00fa01c4de60$edd06220$210110ac@PAUL>

Can someone send me Bill and Peg Pfeiffer's e-mail address? Peg if you are lurking give me a shout.

Paul


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Dec 10 00:44:50 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:44:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Need Peg & Bill Pfiffer's e-mail address
References: <00fa01c4de60$edd06220$210110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <011a01c4de94$e951e140$36121bd3@athlon>

Pfeiffer, Peg
E-mail Address(es):
  Old_Iron at msn.com
Personal Information:
  Address:
    904 Forestview
    Park Ridge Illinois 60068
    USA


Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 1:35 PM
Subject: [SEL] Need Peg & Bill Pfiffer's e-mail address


Can someone send me Bill and Peg Pfeiffer's e-mail address? Peg if you are
lurking give me a shout.

Paul
_______________________________________________
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From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Thu Dec  9 15:00:39 2004
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:00:39 +0100
Subject: [SEL] R&V question
References: <20041209082205.78646.qmail@web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<002a01c4ddf8$533d9830$3775833e@harryp1811>
Message-ID: <001b01c4de42$e707c370$3775833e@harryp1811>

I want to make a pattern to have a carburetor cast for our 6hp
Root&Vandervoort Triumph line.
Some of the R&V's have an air-pipe screwed in the mixer. Is there anyone on
the SEL that has a 6 (or 8hp) Triumph line R&V that can give me the size of
this pipe?
Or the diameter hole in the mixer intake?

Thanks




Harry Terpstra
Sint Annaparochie
Netherlands
h.terpstra at wxs.nl
http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html






From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Dec 10 05:35:31 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:35:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
Message-ID: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com>

This is somewhat off topic but since we have to have a mode of 
communications in transferring our thoughts and ideas, I thought I would 
  send this to the list for anyone that had not already seen it.

I'm sure most of you are aware that a cell directory will soon be 
released that contains cell numbers.  As a result, your cell phone 
number will probably be accessed by telemarketers and you could possibly 
start receiveing numerous annoying calls each day running up your air 
time and monthly bill (if you receive a telemarketing call and you hang 
up after only 10 seconds, you will more than likely have one minute 
charged against your cell).  I've got a friend in the Communications 
field who sent me the info below.  I thought I would pass it on just in 
case you haven't already taken care of this.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




In the coming weeks, cell phone numbers are being released to 
telemarketing companies and you will start to receive tele-sales calls. 
Call this number from your cell phone 888-382-1222. It is the National 
Do Not Call list. It blocks your number for 5 years.

You can also register "do not call numbers" using the FCC web site at:
https://www.donotcall.gov/default.aspx
Remember, to register via phone you must call from the phone you wish to
register.


Howard Williams
Charter Communications






From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Dec 10 05:59:42 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:59:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
In-Reply-To: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com>
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412100857130.28826@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Tommy,

Not exactly...  Have a look at what Snopes has to say on the subject of
"Celling Your Soul" and the cell phone directory (wireless 411 service).

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/cell411.asp

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> This is somewhat off topic but since we have to have a mode of
> communications in transferring our thoughts and ideas, I thought I would
> send this to the list for anyone that had not already seen it.
>
> I'm sure most of you are aware that a cell directory will soon be
> released that contains cell numbers.  As a result, your cell phone
> number will probably be accessed by telemarketers and you could possibly
> start receiveing numerous annoying calls each day running up your air
> time and monthly bill (if you receive a telemarketing call and you hang
> up after only 10 seconds, you will more than likely have one minute
> charged against your cell).  I've got a friend in the Communications
> field who sent me the info below.  I thought I would pass it on just in
> case you haven't already taken care of this.


From prepair at easynet.co.uk  Fri Dec 10 06:15:54 2004
From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:15:54 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
In-Reply-To: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com>
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <pmbjr05nhgb6lsntr7mj29lqff03md7vr2@4ax.com>

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:35:31 -0500, you wrote:

>This is somewhat off topic but since we have to have a mode of 
>communications in transferring our thoughts and ideas, I thought I would 
>  send this to the list for anyone that had not already seen it.
>
>I'm sure most of you are aware that a cell directory will soon be 
>released that contains cell numbers.  As a result, your cell phone 
>number will probably be accessed by telemarketers and you could possibly 
>start receiveing numerous annoying calls each day running up your air 
>time and monthly bill (if you receive a telemarketing call and you hang 
>up after only 10 seconds, you will more than likely have one minute 
>charged against your cell).  I've got a friend in the Communications 
>field who sent me the info below.  I thought I would pass it on just in 
>case you haven't already taken care of this.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY

Interesting so see that in the USA the receiving cell phone (cell
phones are called "mobiles" over here, which confuses the Americanos
who call their remote home phones the same thing) gets the charge of
the call, while over here the person making the call pays, so junk
calls are not that popular....

We have advert blocking facilities for faxes, but they are dying away
now that email is firmly established for business users.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK
prepair at easynet.co.uk
http://www.prepair.co.uk




From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Dec 10 07:02:35 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:02:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications OT
In-Reply-To: <pmbjr05nhgb6lsntr7mj29lqff03md7vr2@4ax.com>
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com>
	<pmbjr05nhgb6lsntr7mj29lqff03md7vr2@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <41B9BA8B.5010507@imc-group.com>

Peter wrote:

>We have advert blocking facilities for faxes, but they are dying away
>now that email is firmly established for business users.
>
Fax advertising .....that one really hacks me off! I get dozens of ads 
for stock tips and cruise vacations every week on the fax machine, 
despite the fact that I have NEVER given the number out to a mag. 
subscription, survey, or anything. Each of those fax's costs paper and 
despite the fact that I call the toll free numbers to be taken off the 
fax lists, it continues. Each fax has a different toll free number to call.

The few times I have used our home phone line for a fax machine, we 
immediately begin to receive fax calls at wee hours of the morning. 
Somehow these marketers are able to monitor lines that have been used 
for a fax (even once) and they immediately begin to barrage you with 
unsolicited faxes.

I am dead opposed to government regulation, but the actions of these 
telemarketers must be stopped. Now Tommy tells us the cell phones are 
fair play too. It is simply not right to send and make unsolicited faxes 
and calls when those actions are costing us real money.

Curt Holland
P.S. Sorry, I really should have taken this over to slick.


From shop at cccomm.net  Fri Dec 10 07:19:50 2004
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:19:50 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Novo
Message-ID: <00d501c4decb$b3005f90$6501a8c0@Shop>

Thanks for the imput guys.
Here is what I did. I drained the water/gas/sludge and filled it with diesel and let it set a few days, drained it,scraped what I could and flushed it with gas & compressed air. I took the oil covers off, drained the water,ect, flushed and added new oil.(I checked the level after Arnies suggestion), freed up and repacked the fuel pump.
I ran it later in the day yesterday for about 45 minutes and it still smoked heavily. It would run up to governor speed and hold steady (500 RPM) for awhile then begin to load itself up with oil. The engine speed drops to about 100 RPM then chokes, spits and sputters for awhile, then clears itself up. Interestingly it didn't foul the plug.
When I shut it down, the oil level was considerably lower.
I'm going to tear it down anyhow, but my guess is rings. It has good compression, but quite a bit of blow by when warm.
Any more thoughts?
Dave

From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Fri Dec 10 04:07:00 2004
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:07:00 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT, e-bay sales
References: <000601c4de5c$1bdad420$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>
Message-ID: <002201c4deb0$c0f72810$f5a3ecdc@morris>

G'Day Jeff
Posted to SEL as others may be interested.
Is it postable or has it got to be shipped, we just sent a 15hp Reid from 
the US to OZ with out problems. It depend what you say on the paper work, 
what the Aussie will pay this end- 10% GST tax for a start.
I have brought in parcels (camera) by FedEx / Australian Post with out 
problems, again what you say and value it makes a big difference in what 
payment is due this end.


Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW OZ



>
> Just got an inquiry tonight from OZ on something I have on e-bay. Anyone 
> have experience with international shipping from the USA please contact me 
> off list.
> Thanks,



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Dec 10 08:51:31 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:51:31 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
Message-ID: <20041210.085132.204.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Tommy.
I got this message yesterday and passed it on to my family.  Later I
checked it out on Scopes,  It seems several cell phone companies are
making 411 directories, but they claim they will not make them available
to telemarketers.  It appears many people use cell phones as their only
phone and have to pay to have their numbers listed in regular
directories, so this would be a directory of cell phone numbers and you
would have the chance not to have your number listed.  Sounds good in a
perfect world.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside California USA
http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:35:31 -0500 Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
writes:
> This is somewhat off topic but since we have to have a mode of 
> communications in transferring our thoughts and ideas, I thought I 
> would 
>   send this to the list for anyone that had not already seen it.
> 
> I'm sure most of you are aware that a cell directory will soon be 
> released that contains cell numbers.  As a result, your cell phone 
> number will probably be accessed by telemarketers and you could 
> possibly 
> start receiveing numerous annoying calls each day running up your 
> air 
> time and monthly bill (if you receive a telemarketing call and you 
> hang 
> up after only 10 seconds, you will more than likely have one minute 
> 
> charged against your cell).  I've got a friend in the Communications 
> 
> field who sent me the info below.  I thought I would pass it on just 
> in 
> case you haven't already taken care of this.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>


From Vivas1993 at aol.com  Fri Dec 10 08:52:50 2004
From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:52:50 EST
Subject: [SEL] R&V question
Message-ID: <f4.45c8788f.2eeb2e62@aol.com>

Hi Harry,
 Went out an measured my 6hp R&V, the mixer is threaded for an 11/4" pipe. 
Good luck getting the carb. cast !

 Dwight Vivas
 Matoaca, VA.


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Dec 10 10:22:40 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:22:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412100857130.28826@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0412100857130.28826@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <41B9E970.9020008@scrtc.com>

Arnie,
	I read the site but it doesn't say this is simply a hoax as such.  I 
cut and pasted some of the info on Snopes below.  As it states, right 
now (key words) the Wireless 411 is supposed (another key word) to not 
be available to telemarketers per FCC regulations.  I'm registering my 
phone anyhow to be on the safe side because as Snopes says, adding the 
phone number will keep the number off limits to telemarketers and won't 
likely have an adverse effect.  This, like many of the changes we have 
seen come as a result of advanced technology, has probalby caused many 
folks to jump the gun a bit on what "might" happen.  Nonetheless, adding 
you numbers can't hurt.  Thanks for the additional info.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



When speaking of registering your cell phone number with the Do Not Call 
List it states "....the latter step will not keep wireless customer 
listings out of the proposed Wireless 411 database ? it will only add 
their phone numbers to a list of numbers off-limits to most 
telemarketers, a step which is premature (because the Wireless 411 
directory has not yet been implemented) and largely unnecessary (because 
the Wireless 411 directory information is not supposed to be supplied to 
telemarketers, and because FCC regulations already in place block the 
bulk of telemarketing calls to cell phones).

Adding one's cell phone number to the National Do Not Call Registry 
(even if currently unnecessary) won't likely have any adverse effect, 
but customers should be aware of exactly what that action will or will 
not accomplish."







Arnie Fero wrote:
> Hi Tommy,
> 
> Not exactly...  Have a look at what Snopes has to say on the subject of
> "Celling Your Soul" and the cell phone directory (wireless 411 service).
> 
> http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/cell411.asp
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> 
> 
>>This is somewhat off topic but since we have to have a mode of
>>communications in transferring our thoughts and ideas, I thought I would
>>send this to the list for anyone that had not already seen it.
>>
>>I'm sure most of you are aware that a cell directory will soon be
>>released that contains cell numbers.  As a result, your cell phone
>>number will probably be accessed by telemarketers and you could possibly
>>start receiveing numerous annoying calls each day running up your air
>>time and monthly bill (if you receive a telemarketing call and you hang
>>up after only 10 seconds, you will more than likely have one minute
>>charged against your cell).  I've got a friend in the Communications
>>field who sent me the info below.  I thought I would pass it on just in
>>case you haven't already taken care of this.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Dec 10 10:25:28 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:25:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications OT
In-Reply-To: <41B9BA8B.5010507@imc-group.com>
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com>	<pmbjr05nhgb6lsntr7mj29lqff03md7vr2@4ax.com>
	<41B9BA8B.5010507@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <41B9EA18.2040408@scrtc.com>

Curt,

	Excellent point as the cost of faxes can get in the pocketbook.  I 
wonder if adding a fax line number to the Do Not Call list would do any 
good?  I wished there were a Do Not Spam list (other than filters). 
That would be a tremendous asset to all on the SEL.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Curt wrote:

> Peter wrote:
> 
>>>>
> Fax advertising .....that one really hacks me off! I get dozens of ads 
> for stock tips and cruise vacations every week on the fax machine, 
> despite the fact that I have NEVER given the number out to a mag. 
> subscription, survey, or anything. 
> Curt Holland
> P.S. Sorry, I really should have taken this over to slick.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 



From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Fri Dec 10 11:21:44 2004
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:21:44 +0100
Subject: [SEL] R&V question
References: <f4.45c8788f.2eeb2e62@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005301c4deed$7c1df510$3775833e@harryp1811>

Hi dwight,
Thanks for the information, my guess it would be a 1" pipe, but it turns out
it's even 1?".
I plan to make a wooden patern first, we'll see how it turns out;-)

TTYL,

Harry Terpstra
Sint Annaparochie
Netherlands
h.terpstra at wxs.nl
http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html



----- Original Message -----
From: <Vivas1993 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] R&V question


> Hi Harry,
>  Went out an measured my 6hp R&V, the mixer is threaded for an 11/4" pipe.
> Good luck getting the carb. cast !
>
>  Dwight Vivas
>  Matoaca, VA.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Dec 10 12:12:03 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:12:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Springfield models
In-Reply-To: <41B84B31.20609@imc-group.com>
References: <13077A727E4E824899C71238152285D210B9DB@email05.bsu.edu>	<41B72251.9070107@imc-group.com>	<001201c4ddd4$d7f7e810$8c9f0952@no1>
	<41B84B31.20609@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <41BA0313.5020004@imc-group.com>

Dave,
As promised....from Grayson's book:

"As the fast moving 1870's drew to its close, those wishing to enter the 
manufacture of IC engines found themselves scrambling either to invent a 
machine that would not run afoul of existing patents or sales 
territories or else acquire the rights to an existing engine. That is 
the position in which an instrument maker in Magdeburg, Germany, founds 
itself in in 1878. When it failed to procure a license to manufacture 
Deutz engines, the firm of Buss and Sombart turned instead to de 
Bisschop. Little is known today about the firm's principals other than 
Buss was the financier while Charles M. Sombart was the more technically 
minder partner. Apparently, however, the men acquired rights to make and 
sell the engine in the United States, where the patent was registered in 
Buss's name. US operation was established at 215 Centre St in New York 
City. Production, however, seems to have taken place in Hartford, 
Connecticut, where the company was listed during 1884 and again in 
1886-1888. Mr. Sombart was a highly capable engineer. He made some 
important  improvements to the engine including a patented throttle that 
mixed illuminating gas and air. Also, as the de Bisschop operating 
principle limited the engine to its modest outputs, Sombart developed a 
new two-cycle engine in 1882....."

Hope this is useful and it does seem to answer your question if the 
Sombart engine was an American made Bisschop engine.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Curt wrote:

> Dave,
> I really can't answer any questions about this engine. The base does 
> have Hartford, Conn cast into it and that is a city in our state of 
> Connecticut. Someone there told me this was the engine featured in 
> Greyson's Beautiful Engines book.
> I could look up some information about it this evening to see if it 
> was a Bischop made under license......something about that sound 
> familiar.....
> Curt
>
> Dave Croft wrote:
>
>> Hi Curt, Was the Sombart an American made Bischop?
>> I know of only one privately owned Bischop & a few in
>> Museums,
>> Dave Croft
>> Warrington
>> England
>> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 3:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Springfield models
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>> Tim, Don,
>>> Here are a couple of pictures of the one brought to Coolsprings this 
>>> summer. One of those opportunities of a life time to get to see one!
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Coolsprings2004/P6180130.JPG 
>>>
>>> and 
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Coolsprings2004/P6180131.JPG 
>>>
>>> Curt Holland
>>> Gastonia, NC
>>>
>>> SIEFKER, DONALD L wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>> TIm,
>>>> Sombart (Bisschop).
>>>>
>>>> Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>   
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
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>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 10 03:34:40 2004
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 05:34:40 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Peg & Bill Pfiffer's e-mail address
References: <00fa01c4de60$edd06220$210110ac@PAUL>
	<011a01c4de94$e951e140$36121bd3@athlon>
Message-ID: <004c01c4deac$3e91f2f0$210110ac@PAUL>

Thanks Mr. Reg,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 2:44 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Peg & Bill Pfiffer's e-mail address


> Pfeiffer, Peg
> E-mail Address(es):
>  Old_Iron at msn.com
> Personal Information:
>  Address:
>    904 Forestview
>    Park Ridge Illinois 60068
>    USA
> 
> 
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> 



From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Dec 10 13:06:12 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:06:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
In-Reply-To: <20041210.085132.204.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20041210.085132.204.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <30358.165.206.180.118.1102712772.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

How can you make a public directory and make it UN-available to marketers???
Duh - if I have a cell phone and get a directory, do I have to sign a
paper saying I'm not a telemarketer and swear not to use it for evil?
I think not.............

BiLl

> Hi Tommy.
> I got this message yesterday and passed it on to my family.  Later I
> checked it out on Scopes,  It seems several cell phone companies are
> making 411 directories, but they claim they will not make them available
> to telemarketers.  It appears many people use cell phones as their only
> phone and have to pay to have their numbers listed in regular
> directories, so this would be a directory of cell phone numbers and you
> would have the chance not to have your number listed.  Sounds good in a
> perfect world.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside California USA
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/
>
> On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:35:31 -0500 Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> writes:
>> This is somewhat off topic but since we have to have a mode of
>> communications in transferring our thoughts and ideas, I thought I
>> would
>>   send this to the list for anyone that had not already seen it.
>>
>> I'm sure most of you are aware that a cell directory will soon be
>> released that contains cell numbers.  As a result, your cell phone
>> number will probably be accessed by telemarketers and you could
>> possibly
>> start receiveing numerous annoying calls each day running up your
>> air
>> time and monthly bill (if you receive a telemarketing call and you
>> hang
>> up after only 10 seconds, you will more than likely have one minute
>>
>> charged against your cell).  I've got a friend in the Communications
>>
>> field who sent me the info below.  I thought I would pass it on just
>> in
>> case you haven't already taken care of this.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec  9 15:21:07 2004
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:21:07 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw: bischopp
Message-ID: <005701c4de45$c392bd20$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>


 

> If anyone requires a better picture of a working engine let
> me know & I will try & get a photo off the owner.
> He only took it to one show many years ago.
> (I only had a B & W camera in those days)
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
> 


From falcon at telenet.net  Fri Dec 10 14:51:34 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:51:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications OT
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com>	<pmbjr05nhgb6lsntr7mj29lqff03md7vr2@4ax.com><41B9BA8B.5010507@imc-group.com>
	<41B9EA18.2040408@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <020401c4df0a$cd1e5280$381117d1@net.telenet.net>

I put every phone number I have and some for other folks on the Do Not
Call list. It covers any communication device on those lines so a fax is
covered.
On the cell list you actually have to opt IN to the list. So if you have
a cell phone you will be asked if you want your number on the list or
not. No charge either way and if you want to take the number off later
they will do that for free as well. Which means none of the 6 cell
phones I have will be on the list. (the entire family has cell phones
under my account).

Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Info on Communications OT


> Curt,
>
> Excellent point as the cost of faxes can get in the pocketbook.  I
> wonder if adding a fax line number to the Do Not Call list would do
any
> good?  I wished there were a Do Not Spam list (other than filters).
> That would be a tremendous asset to all on the SEL.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> Curt wrote:
>
> > Peter wrote:
> >
> >>>>
> > Fax advertising .....that one really hacks me off! I get dozens of
ads
> > for stock tips and cruise vacations every week on the fax machine,
> > despite the fact that I have NEVER given the number out to a mag.
> > subscription, survey, or anything.
> > Curt Holland
> > P.S. Sorry, I really should have taken this over to slick.
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From falcon at telenet.net  Fri Dec 10 14:57:17 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:57:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com><Pine.BSF.4.51.0412100857130.28826@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<41B9E970.9020008@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <020a01c4df0b$9980b5c0$381117d1@net.telenet.net>

http://www.qsent.com/wireless411/index.shtml

This is the outfit that is setting up the list. These are from their
site.

Q. How will the Wireless 411 Service work?
Wireless subscribers who choose to participate in the Wireless 411
Service will be able to "OPT-IN" through their wireless carrier.
Subscribers who choose not to participate or who do nothing will not be
included. Qsent will receive opt-in wireless listing data from
participating carrier data sources and provide the information through
the nation's Operator Services Companies (OSCs). The information will be
placed into a dynamic privacy-protected database only accessible by a
participating OSC in response to a customer query for a wireless listing
as provided by the opt-in customer.

Q. Will all wireless customers be included in the Wireless 411 Service?
No. Only consumers who choose to participate (opt-in) with their
specific carrier will be included. The carriers' primary commitment in
developing a new Wireless 411 Service was to ensure their customers a
choice-based, privacy-protected service that requires pre-authorization
for inclusion. If a consumer chooses not to participate, or does
nothing, their information will not be included in the service.

Q. Will wireless customers numbers be included in a physical directory?
No physical directory of Wireless 411 Service numbers will exist either
printed, electronic or on the Internet, in whole or in part. Wireless
411 Service subscriber data for use by carrier selected 411 service
operators will be drawn from the privacy-protected database for
real-time single use by the 411 Operator Service Center.

Q. What steps have been taken to keep telemarketers from getting
Wireless 411 numbers?
Telemarketers don't use voice 411 services to contact people and
Wireless 411 Service numbers will not be put into any electronic list
for disclosure to telemarketers. Additionally, telemarketing use of
automated calling systems to a wireless phone number is prohibited by
law, and will still be illegal even if a consumer chooses to have their
wireless number in the 411 service.

The wireless industry has historically advocated for these privacy
measures and broadly supported the federal Telephone Consumer Protection
Act. The Wireless 411 Service was designed specifically to control all
the opt-in wireless 411 listing information in a single
privacy-protected database and release it only through qualified OSCs in
single record responses to individual voice 411 requests.


Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Info on Communications


> Arnie,
> I read the site but it doesn't say this is simply a hoax as such.  I
> cut and pasted some of the info on Snopes below.  As it states, right
> now (key words) the Wireless 411 is supposed (another key word) to not
> be available to telemarketers per FCC regulations.  I'm registering my
> phone anyhow to be on the safe side because as Snopes says, adding the
> phone number will keep the number off limits to telemarketers and
won't
> likely have an adverse effect.  This, like many of the changes we have
> seen come as a result of advanced technology, has probalby caused many
> folks to jump the gun a bit on what "might" happen.  Nonetheless,
adding
> you numbers can't hurt.  Thanks for the additional info.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Fri Dec 10 15:13:51 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 00:13:51 +0100
Subject: [SEL] R&V question
References: <f4.45c8788f.2eeb2e62@aol.com>
	<005301c4deed$7c1df510$3775833e@harryp1811>
Message-ID: <000501c4df0d$e94e2cc0$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

Hi Harry, I guess you're constructing this:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/R&V1.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/R&V2.jpg

C-U,

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web




Hi dwight,
Thanks for the information, my guess it would be a 1" pipe, but it turns out
it's even 1?".
I plan to make a wooden patern first, we'll see how it turns out;-)

TTYL,

Harry Terpstra




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Dec 10 15:26:48 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:26:48 EST
Subject: [SEL] New Projects
Message-ID: <a1.53bf3662.2eeb8ab8@aol.com>

Hi,
Today, 2 almost complete IHC LBs 2? HP along with a parts engine, 2  small 
B&S engines, I Gladden air cooled engine (made in Glendale,  California), 1 
military air cooled engine with ignition suppression, and 1  Fairbanks Morse Z 
Type D engine wanted to be part of my small  engine collection.  They all require 
some work to get running.   I located them in a barn in Arroyo Grande.  The 
gentleman that had  them had collected these engines for his grandsons.  
However, the grand  kids aren't interest in old iron.  So, I lucked out (?).
By the way, the wife isn't too happy as they are taking up part of  her 
garden space.
 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From rholtzer at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 10 16:11:21 2004
From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:11:21 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
In-Reply-To: <20041210.085132.204.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20041210161102.00c29a88@mail.earthlink.net>

And if frogs had wings!!

Bob Holtzer

At 08:51 AM 12/10/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi Tommy.
>I got this message yesterday and passed it on to my family.  Later I
>checked it out on Scopes,  It seems several cell phone companies are
>making 411 directories, but they claim they will not make them available
>to telemarketers.  It appears many people use cell phones as their only
>phone and have to pay to have their numbers listed in regular
>directories, so this would be a directory of cell phone numbers and you
>would have the chance not to have your number listed.  Sounds good in a
>perfect world.
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside California USA
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/
>
>On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:35:31 -0500 Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>writes:
> > This is somewhat off topic but since we have to have a mode of
> > communications in transferring our thoughts and ideas, I thought I
> > would
> >   send this to the list for anyone that had not already seen it.
> >
> > I'm sure most of you are aware that a cell directory will soon be
> > released that contains cell numbers.  As a result, your cell phone
> > number will probably be accessed by telemarketers and you could
> > possibly
> > start receiveing numerous annoying calls each day running up your
> > air
> > time and monthly bill (if you receive a telemarketing call and you
> > hang
> > up after only 10 seconds, you will more than likely have one minute
> >
> > charged against your cell).  I've got a friend in the Communications
> >
> > field who sent me the info below.  I thought I would pass it on just
> > in
> > case you haven't already taken care of this.
> >
> > Tommy Turner
> > Magnolia, KY
> >
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From glenn.karch at gte.net  Fri Dec 10 18:01:59 2004
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:01:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
Message-ID: <003101c4df25$68907c60$58c9e641@oemcomputer>

To all,

What has happened to gasoline prices in your area?  I just filled up at a
nearby Flying J Truck Stop for $1.46.9.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian



From falcon at telenet.net  Fri Dec 10 18:08:06 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:08:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
References: <20041210.085132.204.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<30358.165.206.180.118.1102712772.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <01db01c4df26$41b44120$381117d1@net.telenet.net>

There will NOT be a public directory. None of it will be published and
you have to OPT-IN to be on the list. If you say no OR do nothing at all
your not included either.

http://www.qsent.com/wireless411/index.shtml

This is the outfit that is setting up the list. These are from their
site.

Q. How will the Wireless 411 Service work?
Wireless subscribers who choose to participate in the Wireless 411
Service will be able to "OPT-IN" through their wireless carrier.
Subscribers who choose not to participate or who do nothing will not be
included. Qsent will receive opt-in wireless listing data from
participating carrier data sources and provide the information through
the nation's Operator Services Companies (OSCs). The information will be
placed into a dynamic privacy-protected database only accessible by a
participating OSC in response to a customer query for a wireless listing
as provided by the opt-in customer.

Q. Will all wireless customers be included in the Wireless 411 Service?
No. Only consumers who choose to participate (opt-in) with their
specific carrier will be included. The carriers' primary commitment in
developing a new Wireless 411 Service was to ensure their customers a
choice-based, privacy-protected service that requires pre-authorization
for inclusion. If a consumer chooses not to participate, or does
nothing, their information will not be included in the service.

Q. Will wireless customers numbers be included in a physical directory?
No physical directory of Wireless 411 Service numbers will exist either
printed, electronic or on the Internet, in whole or in part. Wireless
411 Service subscriber data for use by carrier selected 411 service
operators will be drawn from the privacy-protected database for
real-time single use by the 411 Operator Service Center.

Q. What steps have been taken to keep telemarketers from getting
Wireless 411 numbers?
Telemarketers don't use voice 411 services to contact people and
Wireless 411 Service numbers will not be put into any electronic list
for disclosure to telemarketers. Additionally, telemarketing use of
automated calling systems to a wireless phone number is prohibited by
law, and will still be illegal even if a consumer chooses to have their
wireless number in the 411 service.

The wireless industry has historically advocated for these privacy
measures and broadly supported the federal Telephone Consumer Protection
Act. The Wireless 411 Service was designed specifically to control all
the opt-in wireless 411 listing information in a single
privacy-protected database and release it only through qualified OSCs in
single record responses to individual voice 411 requests.


Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Info on Communications


> How can you make a public directory and make it UN-available to
marketers???
> Duh - if I have a cell phone and get a directory, do I have to sign a
> paper saying I'm not a telemarketer and swear not to use it for evil?
> I think not.............
>
> BiLl
>
> > Hi Tommy.
> > I got this message yesterday and passed it on to my family.  Later I
> > checked it out on Scopes,  It seems several cell phone companies are
> > making 411 directories, but they claim they will not make them
available
> > to telemarketers.  It appears many people use cell phones as their
only
> > phone and have to pay to have their numbers listed in regular
> > directories, so this would be a directory of cell phone numbers and
you
> > would have the chance not to have your number listed.  Sounds good
in a
> > perfect world.
> >
> > Ron Haskell
> > rdhaskell at juno.com
> > Riverside California USA
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/
> >
> > On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:35:31 -0500 Judge Tommy Turner
<lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> > writes:
> >> This is somewhat off topic but since we have to have a mode of
> >> communications in transferring our thoughts and ideas, I thought I
> >> would
> >>   send this to the list for anyone that had not already seen it.
> >>
> >> I'm sure most of you are aware that a cell directory will soon be
> >> released that contains cell numbers.  As a result, your cell phone
> >> number will probably be accessed by telemarketers and you could
> >> possibly
> >> start receiveing numerous annoying calls each day running up your
> >> air
> >> time and monthly bill (if you receive a telemarketing call and you
> >> hang
> >> up after only 10 seconds, you will more than likely have one minute
> >>
> >> charged against your cell).  I've got a friend in the
Communications
> >>
> >> field who sent me the info below.  I thought I would pass it on
just
> >> in
> >> case you haven't already taken care of this.
> >>
> >> Tommy Turner
> >> Magnolia, KY
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Fri Dec 10 18:27:26 2004
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:27:26 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
Message-ID: <147.3ae52042.2eebb50e@aol.com>

Hi Glenn,
You can see all the Flying J prices across the country by going to 
flyingj.com and then to "fuel pricing" and from there to "gasoline pricing" .  You'll 
see gasoline, diesel and, propane all on the same page.

Ron

In a message dated 12/10/2004 8:20:19 PM Central Standard Time, 
glenn.karch at gte.net writes:
To all,

What has happened to gasoline prices in your area?  I just filled up at a
nearby Flying J Truck Stop for $1.46.9.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Dec 10 18:35:30 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:35:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
In-Reply-To: <020a01c4df0b$9980b5c0$381117d1@net.telenet.net>
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com><Pine.BSF.4.51.0412100857130.28826@vegeta.city-net.com>	<41B9E970.9020008@scrtc.com>
	<020a01c4df0b$9980b5c0$381117d1@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <41BA5CF2.30307@scrtc.com>


Steve,

    There still appears to be some loopholes.  Not the section that I 
cut and pasted from the info you provided:

"Additionally, telemarketing use of automated calling systems to a wireless phone number is prohibited by law, and will still be illegal even if a consumer chooses to have their wireless number in the 411 service."

Note the keywords "automated calling systems".  I haven't read the FCC language but if it reads like this (and I'll bet this came verbatim from their regulations) and its a "live person dialing" and not an automated system, it may be permitted.  I don't' want any air time minutes I could use making a deal on some old iron being taken up by someone wanting to sell me insurance.  I wouldn't mind my cell number being published.  But, I want to make sure its someone I need to talk to on the other end of the line.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY





>  
>




From rwenig at cable-lynx.net  Fri Dec 10 18:35:29 2004
From: rwenig at cable-lynx.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:35:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
In-Reply-To: <003101c4df25$68907c60$58c9e641@oemcomputer>
References: <003101c4df25$68907c60$58c9e641@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <41BA5CF1.9090306@cable-lynx.net>

Hello Glenn,
	I'll take all I can afford at that price. Reg. auto gas sells for $74.9 
around here. That's about $2.72C/US gal (about $218US). Price has been 
in this price range for some time now around here.
Premium grade is about .10/L ($0.40. gal) higher.
Rupert

Glenn A Karch wrote:
> To all,
> 
> What has happened to gasoline prices in your area?  I just filled up at a
> nearby Flying J Truck Stop for $1.46.9.
> 
> Glenn
> 
> Glenn Karch
> Haubstadt, IN, USA
> Hercules Historian
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

-- 
--
yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.
				
mailto://rwenig at cable-lynx.net	
		
http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/index.html



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 10 19:00:12 2004
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:00:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
References: <147.3ae52042.2eebb50e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001501c4df2d$91d69ca0$f4ecf504@x8h7l9>

They just fell to less than $2 a gallon in CT. I think I need to move.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <MaytagTwin at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT What has happen to gasoline price?


> Hi Glenn,
> You can see all the Flying J prices across the country by going to
> flyingj.com and then to "fuel pricing" and from there to "gasoline
pricing" .  You'll
> see gasoline, diesel and, propane all on the same page.
>
> Ron
>
> In a message dated 12/10/2004 8:20:19 PM Central Standard Time,
> glenn.karch at gte.net writes:
> To all,
>
> What has happened to gasoline prices in your area?  I just filled up at a
> nearby Flying J Truck Stop for $1.46.9.
>
> Glenn
>
> Glenn Karch
> Haubstadt, IN, USA
> Hercules Historian
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From ottawa at pa.net  Fri Dec 10 19:12:06 2004
From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:12:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
References: <003101c4df25$68907c60$58c9e641@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <00e801c4df2f$328b1850$cff0cd97@HONDESKTOP>

Wow!  To far to drive for a fill-up!  Yesterday, it was $1.749 at Flying J on US11 at Carlisle PA.  Flying J is usually the lowest priced gas in this area.....Helen

George L. & Helen S. Myers
Blain, PA  17006
The Ottawa Caretakers   ottawa at pa.net
Tel 717-536-3711
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Glenn A Karch 
  To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com 
  Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:01 PM
  Subject: [SEL] OT What has happen to gasoline price?


  To all,

  What has happened to gasoline prices in your area?  I just filled up at a
  nearby Flying J Truck Stop for $1.46.9.

  Glenn

  Glenn Karch
  Haubstadt, IN, USA
  Hercules Historian

  _______________________________________________
  SEL mailing list
  SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
  http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Dec 10 19:22:01 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:22:01 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: bischopp
In-Reply-To: <005701c4de45$c392bd20$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
Message-ID: <200412110321.iBB3LnfX073484@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

This Bisschop was at our rally a few years ago:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc01/s01bisschop.jpg


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From garyepps at fidnet.com  Fri Dec 10 19:59:38 2004
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:59:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
In-Reply-To: <41BA5CF2.30307@scrtc.com>
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com><Pine.BSF.4.51.0412100857130.28826@vegeta.city-net.com>	<41B9E970.9020008@scrtc.com>	<020a01c4df0b$9980b5c0$381117d1@net.telenet.net>
	<41BA5CF2.30307@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <41BA70AA.3090404@fidnet.com>

And with a flip phone you can't see who is calling until you turn in on 
by opening it so you use up precious minutes just trying to find out who 
is calling.

Gary

Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> 
> Steve,
> 
>    There still appears to be some loopholes.  Not the section that I cut 
> and pasted from the info you provided:
> 
> "Additionally, telemarketing use of automated calling systems to a 
> wireless phone number is prohibited by law, and will still be illegal 
> even if a consumer chooses to have their wireless number in the 411 
> service."
> 
> Note the keywords "automated calling systems".  I haven't read the FCC 
> language but if it reads like this (and I'll bet this came verbatim from 
> their regulations) and its a "live person dialing" and not an automated 
> system, it may be permitted.  I don't' want any air time minutes I could 
> use making a deal on some old iron being taken up by someone wanting to 
> sell me insurance.  I wouldn't mind my cell number being published.  
> But, I want to make sure its someone I need to talk to on the other end 
> of the line.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>  
>>
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> 

-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Fri Dec 10 20:33:07 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 04:33:07 -0000
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
References: <147.3ae52042.2eebb50e@aol.com>
	<001501c4df2d$91d69ca0$f4ecf504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <000601c4df3a$84346520$8c9f0952@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 3:00 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT What has happen to gasoline price?


> They just fell to less than $2 a gallon in CT. I think I need to move.
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT

I wish you guys would stop upsetting us, by telling us how lucky you are.
I just converted  Pound to US$ & UK gallon to US Gallon.
We are paying $5.36 per US Gallon.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Dec 10 20:45:42 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:45:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fw: bischopp
In-Reply-To: <200412110321.iBB3LnfX073484@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200412110321.iBB3LnfX073484@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <41BA7B76.3010108@scrtc.com>

Patrick,

    Do you know who owned that one?  I have a friend in England who has 
one and thought that might be his.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky



Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

>This Bisschop was at our rally a few years ago:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc01/s01bisschop.jpg
>
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>
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>
>
>  
>




From Aermoter at aol.com  Fri Dec 10 20:13:18 2004
From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:13:18 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
Message-ID: <f6.45897547.2eebcdde@aol.com>

Don't worry, I heard on the news tonight that the oil company's were going to 
stop production and create a shortage.  That should get the price back up 
again.

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Dec 10 23:26:50 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:26:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: bischopp
In-Reply-To: <41BA7B76.3010108@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <200412110726.iBB7Qctf014496@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi Tommy,
	That engine is part of the Powerhouse Museum collection here in
Sydney. I think this was one of the few times this engine has been on public
display as it lives in their storage sheds and not in the museum itself :(

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----
Patrick,

    Do you know who owned that one?  I have a friend in England who has 
one and thought that might be his.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky





From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Dec 11 00:24:47 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:24:47 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: bischopp
References: <200412110321.iBB3LnfX073484@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <00dc01c4df5a$e40fade0$47111bd3@athlon>

Yes but, it just sat there and never ran!!! That gives me the shits!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 2:22 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Fw: bischopp


> This Bisschop was at our rally a few years ago:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc01/s01bisschop.jpg
> 
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
> 
> 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From ignitors at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 10 23:05:42 2004
From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 01:05:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
References: <003101c4df25$68907c60$58c9e641@oemcomputer>
	<00e801c4df2f$328b1850$cff0cd97@HONDESKTOP>
Message-ID: <003701c4df4f$d4a0b990$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>

It's in the mid $1.60's here on the Missouri side of our little village.

It has dropped like a stone ever since Nov. 2, makes me go ummmmm ???

Ted Brookover
Kansas City



From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Dec 11 02:13:47 2004
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:13:47 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
In-Reply-To: <003701c4df4f$d4a0b990$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>
Message-ID: <20041211101347.52293.qmail@web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

What's all the complaining about?  

The last time I was in the UK, petrol (gas) was the equivalent of about US$7.45 / US gallon.

Regards

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea

(Where I'm trying to dig it out as fast as I can for y'all)


	
	
		
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From wrl at gwltd.com  Sat Dec 11 03:38:54 2004
From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 05:38:54 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c4df76$0273e060$0500005a@laptop>

Since I did not bring it up, I have been in business with Verizon Wireless
for over 10 years, and I am very happy that Verizon has decided NOT to sell
it's customers numbers to this new national Wireless phone book. So if you
are a Verizon customer you have nothing to worry about. If your not a
Verzion customer, call your current Wireless carrier and tell them you wish
to cancel, and then go sign up with Verizon.
J. Dave Mayfield
www.w9wrl.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 7:35 AM
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications


> This is somewhat off topic but since we have to have a mode of
> communications in transferring our thoughts and ideas, I thought I would
>   send this to the list for anyone that had not already seen it.
>
> I'm sure most of you are aware that a cell directory will soon be
> released that contains cell numbers.  As a result, your cell phone
> number will probably be accessed by telemarketers and you could possibly
> start receiveing numerous annoying calls each day running up your air
> time and monthly bill (if you receive a telemarketing call and you hang
> up after only 10 seconds, you will more than likely have one minute
> charged against your cell).  I've got a friend in the Communications
> field who sent me the info below.  I thought I would pass it on just in
> case you haven't already taken care of this.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>
> In the coming weeks, cell phone numbers are being released to
> telemarketing companies and you will start to receive tele-sales calls.
> Call this number from your cell phone 888-382-1222. It is the National
> Do Not Call list. It blocks your number for 5 years.
>
> You can also register "do not call numbers" using the FCC web site at:
> https://www.donotcall.gov/default.aspx
> Remember, to register via phone you must call from the phone you wish to
> register.
>
>
> Howard Williams
> Charter Communications
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sat Dec 11 03:39:49 2004
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:39:49 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?[ Australian view]
References: <003101c4df25$68907c60$58c9e641@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <002601c4df77$408cd450$91a226ca@ogborneuah38i3>

You may well ask what has happened to Petrol prices! Diesel here in the part
of Australia where i come from ranges from A$ 1.05 to $1.10 a litre, petrol
sometimes gets to A$1.10 a litre,yes i know it is even dearer in other parts
of the country ....try crossing the ''Nullarbor. Interesting how the price
of the  US Barrel can fluctuate but the price at the bowser remains the
bloody same. Of course in our country the bloody bastard govt take their tax
according to the retail price so they are not going to even start thinking
about trying to reduce the cost to the motorist .Funny in the lead up to the
recent Federal election there was not one mention of the oil prices by
either parties!
Any way it has stuffed up my trip to the National Rally at Naracoorte, just
too damm expensive ........just a thought ,wasn't the invasion of Iraq going
to eleveate the problem?

From: "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 10:01 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT What has happen to gasoline price?


> To all,
>
> What has happened to gasoline prices in your area?  I just filled up at a
> nearby Flying J Truck Stop for $1.46.9.
>
> Glenn
>
> Glenn Karch
> Haubstadt, IN, USA
> Hercules Historian
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From wrl at gwltd.com  Sat Dec 11 03:50:48 2004
From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 05:50:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications OT
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com>	<pmbjr05nhgb6lsntr7mj29lqff03md7vr2@4ax.com><41B9BA8B.5010507@imc-group.com>
	<41B9EA18.2040408@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <004201c4df77$ae8a7bb0$0500005a@laptop>

This fax thing really burns my butt also. I had enough and changed my fax
number at my store, then I do not give it out unless I know who it is. I
don't even tell my employee's what the number is. So far I have not received
even one junk fax, and that has been 10 months ago. In fact I have thought
of just ripping the dam thing out and not having a fax. They are just almost
worthless anyway. How many times have you faxed something to someone, just
to have them call and ask were is the fax, then you have to fax it again,
and again.

Also never ever answer any questions from someone that calls and cask's you
to participate in a short survey. Just hang up and them.
J. Dave Mayfield
www.w9wrl.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Info on Communications OT


> Curt,
>
> Excellent point as the cost of faxes can get in the pocketbook.  I
> wonder if adding a fax line number to the Do Not Call list would do any
> good?  I wished there were a Do Not Spam list (other than filters).
> That would be a tremendous asset to all on the SEL.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> Curt wrote:
>
> > Peter wrote:
> >
> >>>>
> > Fax advertising .....that one really hacks me off! I get dozens of ads
> > for stock tips and cruise vacations every week on the fax machine,
> > despite the fact that I have NEVER given the number out to a mag.
> > subscription, survey, or anything.
> > Curt Holland
> > P.S. Sorry, I really should have taken this over to slick.
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From wrl at gwltd.com  Sat Dec 11 03:53:43 2004
From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 05:53:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
References: <003101c4df25$68907c60$58c9e641@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <007001c4df78$147e0810$0500005a@laptop>

Wow, that;s a low one for sure. Here in Moline, Illinois/ Davenport Iowa the
best you can do is about $172.9 and we have a hugh pipe line here, they
don't even have to truck it into this market.
J. Dave Mayfield
www.w9wrl.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 8:01 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT What has happen to gasoline price?


> To all,
>
> What has happened to gasoline prices in your area?  I just filled up at a
> nearby Flying J Truck Stop for $1.46.9.
>
> Glenn
>
> Glenn Karch
> Haubstadt, IN, USA
> Hercules Historian
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From wrl at gwltd.com  Sat Dec 11 03:56:11 2004
From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 05:56:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com><Pine.BSF.4.51.0412100857130.28826@vegeta.city-net.com>	<41B9E970.9020008@scrtc.com>	<020a01c4df0b$9980b5c0$381117d1@net.telenet.net><41BA5CF2.30307@scrtc.com>
	<41BA70AA.3090404@fidnet.com>
Message-ID: <009601c4df78$6cbd2060$0500005a@laptop>

Gary, then read your manual and set your phone not to answer when you open
it! o'yes your phone has this option.

J. Dave Mayfield
www.w9wrl.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Epps" <garyepps at fidnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Info on Communications


> And with a flip phone you can't see who is calling until you turn in on
> by opening it so you use up precious minutes just trying to find out who
> is calling.
>
> Gary
>
> Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> >    There still appears to be some loopholes.  Not the section that I cut
> > and pasted from the info you provided:
> >
> > "Additionally, telemarketing use of automated calling systems to a
> > wireless phone number is prohibited by law, and will still be illegal
> > even if a consumer chooses to have their wireless number in the 411
> > service."
> >
> > Note the keywords "automated calling systems".  I haven't read the FCC
> > language but if it reads like this (and I'll bet this came verbatim from
> > their regulations) and its a "live person dialing" and not an automated
> > system, it may be permitted.  I don't' want any air time minutes I could
> > use making a deal on some old iron being taken up by someone wanting to
> > sell me insurance.  I wouldn't mind my cell number being published.
> > But, I want to make sure its someone I need to talk to on the other end
> > of the line.
> >
> > Tommy Turner
> > Magnolia, KY
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move
> at a leisurely pace.
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From Aermoter at aol.com  Sat Dec 11 06:44:46 2004
From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:44:46 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fw: bischopp
Message-ID: <198.33f57764.2eec61de@aol.com>

The one in the private collection in Ann Arbor, MI is owned by Tom Stockman.  
He has quite a few rare pieces sitting around his shop, best part is that 
they are all set up to run.

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Dec 11 07:00:30 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:00:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fw: bischopp
In-Reply-To: <198.33f57764.2eec61de@aol.com>
References: <198.33f57764.2eec61de@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41BB0B8E.4070500@scrtc.com>

Tim,

	His name is Tom Stockton.  He had some connection with the Henry Ford 
Museum and from what I understand (and he briefly mentioned to me),  the 
Bischopp he has was discarded by the museum and considered too far gone 
to salvage.  He cut a deal with them and ended up with it.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Aermoter at aol.com wrote:

> The one in the private collection in Ann Arbor, MI is owned by Tom Stockman.  
> He has quite a few rare pieces sitting around his shop, best part is that 
> they are all set up to run.
> 
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor, Ks.
> Aermoter at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 



From EnginePaul at aol.com  Sat Dec 11 08:44:16 2004
From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:44:16 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?[ Australian view]
Message-ID: <5b.5ed14eba.2eec7de0@aol.com>

"....just a thought, wasn't the invasion of Iraq going
to eleveate the problem?"

No. We Americans were going to let Iraq keep the oil and run things on their 
own. 
The first time Americans had an oil problem in that area was right after 
W.W.II, The Russians stayed in Iran after the war and refused to leave. President 
Truman faced them down; the main reason was for the oil. NOT for us, but for 
England and Europe so they could rebuild.

I'm no expert, but there is barely enough production capacity to support the 
demand; it may be just the beginning of problems. 

Paul in San Francisco

PS I'm about to go up Highway 80, and I'll bet there will be lots of SUV's 
and such passing me doing at least 80 miles per hour. The same people who say 
the oil companies and the government cause high gas prices. Couldn't be their 
driving style or vehicle choice.

PPS Sorry for the politics


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sat Dec 11 15:19:50 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:19:50 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Is't true?
Message-ID: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

Is't true that the SEL is almost dead?

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Dec 11 15:39:17 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:39:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Is't true?
Message-ID: <20041211.153917.1140.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Not on this side of the pond.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:19:50 +0100 "John Hammink"
<jg.hammink at quicknet.nl> writes:
> Is't true that the SEL is almost dead?
> 
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
>


From alanb2 at webtv.net  Sat Dec 11 16:56:20 2004
From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:56:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Is it true?
In-Reply-To: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink@quicknet.nl>'s message of Sun,
	12 Dec 2004 00:19:50 +0100
Message-ID: <14780-41BB9734-6794@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net>

It sure seems slow, John,

Take a look at the Slick list though,,,
I just signed back off the Slick list because I didn't like some of the
content.
It gets a LOT more attention though than the SEL does.

Pretty sad,,,,,

We need some good Australian show pictures and reports to ponder.

Alan Bowen

~~~John?Hammink wrote~~~~~~

Is't true that the SEL is almost dead? 
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl 
__________________________________

Alan Bowen  alanb2 at webtv.net
Williamsburg, Michigan
http://community.webtv.net/alanb2/ATISAuctionItems




From garyepps at fidnet.com  Sat Dec 11 17:13:34 2004
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:13:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
In-Reply-To: <009601c4df78$6cbd2060$0500005a@laptop>
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com><Pine.BSF.4.51.0412100857130.28826@vegeta.city-net.com>	<41B9E970.9020008@scrtc.com>	<020a01c4df0b$9980b5c0$381117d1@net.telenet.net><41BA5CF2.30307@scrtc.com>	<41BA70AA.3090404@fidnet.com>
	<009601c4df78$6cbd2060$0500005a@laptop>
Message-ID: <41BB9B3E.2040002@fidnet.com>

Hi Dave, Thanks for the heads up.  I have now changed the setting. 
There are apparently a lot of things to explore on that little thing.

Gary

Dave Mayfield wrote:
> Gary, then read your manual and set your phone not to answer when you open
> it! o'yes your phone has this option.
> 
> J. Dave Mayfield
> www.w9wrl.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Epps" <garyepps at fidnet.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Info on Communications
> 
> 
> 
>>And with a flip phone you can't see who is calling until you turn in on
>>by opening it so you use up precious minutes just trying to find out who
>>is calling.
>>
>>Gary
>>
>>Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>>
>>>Steve,
>>>
>>>   There still appears to be some loopholes.  Not the section that I cut
>>>and pasted from the info you provided:
>>>
>>>"Additionally, telemarketing use of automated calling systems to a
>>>wireless phone number is prohibited by law, and will still be illegal
>>>even if a consumer chooses to have their wireless number in the 411
>>>service."
>>>
>>>Note the keywords "automated calling systems".  I haven't read the FCC
>>>language but if it reads like this (and I'll bet this came verbatim from
>>>their regulations) and its a "live person dialing" and not an automated
>>>system, it may be permitted.  I don't' want any air time minutes I could
>>>use making a deal on some old iron being taken up by someone wanting to
>>>sell me insurance.  I wouldn't mind my cell number being published.
>>>But, I want to make sure its someone I need to talk to on the other end
>>>of the line.
>>>
>>>Tommy Turner
>>>Magnolia, KY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move
>>at a leisurely pace.
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> 

-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Dec 11 07:04:00 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:04:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
In-Reply-To: <f6.45897547.2eebcdde@aol.com>
References: <f6.45897547.2eebcdde@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041211095959.0236c880@mail.alltel.net>

At 11:13 PM 12/10/2004, you wrote:
>Don't worry, I heard on the news tonight that the oil company's were going to
>stop production and create a shortage.  That should get the price back up
>again.
>Tim Christoff

Hi Tim,
         I think you must referring to OPEC which said that they were 
cutting production by some 1,000,000 barrels a day. There would be NO POINT 
in the oil companies cutting production of product if they have the 
capacity to produce it and the raw material to use.
         Dave
PS, Or, perhaps, the companies are cutting back on gasoline production in 
order to produce more heating oil for the winter months. 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Dec 11 09:05:57 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:05:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?[ Australian
  view]
In-Reply-To: <5b.5ed14eba.2eec7de0@aol.com>
References: <5b.5ed14eba.2eec7de0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041211115104.023fb3a0@mail.alltel.net>


>Paul in San Francisco
>
>PS I'm about to go up Highway 80, and I'll bet there will be lots of SUV's
>and such passing me doing at least 80 miles per hour. The same people who say
>the oil companies and the government cause high gas prices. Couldn't be their
>driving style or vehicle choice.

Hi Paul,
         How did you come to this conclusion? Do you stop these people and 
ask them a series of questions? Have you found (in doing your research on 
this topic) that it is only SUV owners who complain about the price of 
gasoline? Do your fellow Hugo drivers who drive 40mpr on Highway 80 say the 
same thing? Does there seem to be a difference in attitude between those 
SUV drivers who make over $200,000.00 per year and those who make under 
$200,000.00 per year? Is there a difference in attitude between those who 
own stock in oil companies and those on welfare? Do those who haul old iron 
in trailers behind their "SUV's and such" hold the same opinions as those 
who drive Hugo's? Does the colo(u)r of the SUV tend to make any difference? 
Does the colo(u)r of the driver?
         Dave 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Dec 11 15:24:38 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:24:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Is't true?
In-Reply-To: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041211182401.0240c058@mail.alltel.net>

At 06:19 PM 12/11/2004, you wrote:
>Is't true that the SEL is almost dead?
>
>John Hammink

Hi John, It depends on the meaning of "almost."
         Dave 



From rexhinz at chorus.net  Sat Dec 11 13:31:18 2004
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:31:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?[ Australian view]
References: <5b.5ed14eba.2eec7de0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000901c4dfc8$c4be0fe0$7586a5d8@mycomputer>

Good point Paul , Good thing oil tastes awful or it would all be gone by now
;-)

  Rex

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <EnginePaul at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT What has happen to gasoline price?[ Australian view]


> "....just a thought, wasn't the invasion of Iraq going
> to eleveate the problem?"
>
> No. We Americans were going to let Iraq keep the oil and run things on
their
> own.
> The first time Americans had an oil problem in that area was right after
> W.W.II, The Russians stayed in Iran after the war and refused to leave.
President
> Truman faced them down; the main reason was for the oil. NOT for us, but
for
> England and Europe so they could rebuild.
>
> I'm no expert, but there is barely enough production capacity to support
the
> demand; it may be just the beginning of problems.
>
> Paul in San Francisco
>
> PS I'm about to go up Highway 80, and I'll bet there will be lots of SUV's
> and such passing me doing at least 80 miles per hour. The same people who
say
> the oil companies and the government cause high gas prices. Couldn't be
their
> driving style or vehicle choice.
>
> PPS Sorry for the politics
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Dec 11 18:14:06 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:14:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Is't true?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041211182401.0240c058@mail.alltel.net>
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041211182401.0240c058@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <8065747A-4BE3-11D9-BF34-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

What is the meaning of "Is't?"


> Hi John, It depends on the meaning of "almost."
>         Dave
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From falcon at telenet.net  Sat Dec 11 20:13:57 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:13:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com> <000b01c4df76$0273e060$0500005a@laptop>
Message-ID: <003701c4e001$01a50e80$3b1117d1@net.telenet.net>

To bad they are NOT SELLING the numbers. Maybe you should ask Verizon
about it as well since I have already talked to some folks about it and
was told by all of them that Verizon customers WILL have to OPT-IN  to
be on the list. That is the same as everyone else. If you ask to be
included you will be. If you do NOTHING or tall them NO you will NOT be
included. That simple.

Oh and I was a verizon customer for 4 years. Now I am with Cingular.
Better customer support and MUCH better coverage.

BUT the carrier you choose is up to you.
This is my last post on this since it is WAY of topic. Sorry Spencer.

Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Mayfield" <wrl at gwltd.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Info on Communications


> Since I did not bring it up, I have been in business with Verizon
Wireless
> for over 10 years, and I am very happy that Verizon has decided NOT to
sell
> it's customers numbers to this new national Wireless phone book. So if
you
> are a Verizon customer you have nothing to worry about. If your not a
> Verzion customer, call your current Wireless carrier and tell them you
wish
> to cancel, and then go sign up with Verizon.
> J. Dave Mayfield
> www.w9wrl.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 7:35 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
>
>
> > This is somewhat off topic but since we have to have a mode of
> > communications in transferring our thoughts and ideas, I thought I
would
> >   send this to the list for anyone that had not already seen it.
> >
> > I'm sure most of you are aware that a cell directory will soon be
> > released that contains cell numbers.  As a result, your cell phone
> > number will probably be accessed by telemarketers and you could
possibly
> > start receiveing numerous annoying calls each day running up your
air
> > time and monthly bill (if you receive a telemarketing call and you
hang
> > up after only 10 seconds, you will more than likely have one minute
> > charged against your cell).  I've got a friend in the Communications
> > field who sent me the info below.  I thought I would pass it on just
in
> > case you haven't already taken care of this.
> >
> > Tommy Turner
> > Magnolia, KY
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In the coming weeks, cell phone numbers are being released to
> > telemarketing companies and you will start to receive tele-sales
calls.
> > Call this number from your cell phone 888-382-1222. It is the
National
> > Do Not Call list. It blocks your number for 5 years.
> >
> > You can also register "do not call numbers" using the FCC web site
at:
> > https://www.donotcall.gov/default.aspx
> > Remember, to register via phone you must call from the phone you
wish to
> > register.
> >
> >
> > Howard Williams
> > Charter Communications
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Dec 11 20:33:24 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 20:33:24 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Is't true?
In-Reply-To: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <200412120433.iBC4XSUN031065@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


> Is't true that the SEL is almost dead?

Ahdunno John, it's a complex question.  

Been working on any engines?  I didn't work on engines today, but in the
afternoon I needed a break from the chores so I whipped up some toys that are
used when working on engines.  On topic, right?

You see, I don't like the big, fat store-bought file handles.  They don't allow
me to hold the file where I have the most control, so I prefer something smaller
diameter and cylindrical.  I've also decided that handle-less files are a bit
dangerous.  

Another reason for the exercise is that I really like using tools that were
fabricated, whether they're of my own creation or someone else's.

This whole exercise is pretty mundane, but might be of  any interest because a
few months ago someone was asking about bottlebrush trees.  The handles I made
are from the bottlebrush tree in our backyard.
http://temp.rustyiron.com/bottlebrush-file-handles.jpg


=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Dec 11 16:47:54 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:47:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Is't true?
In-Reply-To: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <7591EA96-4BD7-11D9-BF34-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Kinda quiet the last few days.

On Dec 11, 2004, at 6:19 PM, John Hammink wrote:

> Is't true that the SEL is almost dead?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From segray at mlode.com  Sat Dec 11 21:42:42 2004
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:42:42 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
In-Reply-To: <007001c4df78$147e0810$0500005a@laptop>
References: <003101c4df25$68907c60$58c9e641@oemcomputer>
	<007001c4df78$147e0810$0500005a@laptop>
Message-ID: <41BBDA52.6060607@mlode.com>

   We've dropped down to $2.199 for regular this past week here in 
Sonora CA. Been floating around the $2.40 mark for the last several 
months for both gas and diesel. Premium's been pushing $2.60. Haven't 
seen much under $2 for a couple of years now. 'Course with Kalifornia's 
'secret' ingredients and idiot smog laws, we have Kalifornia gas vs. 49 
state gas and you KNOW which is more at the pumps...  Worst I've heard 
it was $3.10 up the hill from me early this year for all the snow 
bunnies going to do their thing.

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



Dave Mayfield wrote:

>Wow, that;s a low one for sure. Here in Moline, Illinois/ Davenport Iowa the
>best you can do is about $172.9 and we have a hugh pipe line here, they
>don't even have to truck it into this market.
>J. Dave Mayfield
>www.w9wrl.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 8:01 PM
>Subject: [SEL] OT What has happen to gasoline price?
>
>
>  
>
>>To all,
>>
>>What has happened to gasoline prices in your area?  I just filled up at a
>>nearby Flying J Truck Stop for $1.46.9.
>>
>>Glenn
>>
>>Glenn Karch
>>Haubstadt, IN, USA
>>Hercules Historian
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Sat Dec 11 21:53:43 2004
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:53:43 +1100
Subject: [SEL] RETURN
Message-ID: <013401c4e00e$f09e80e0$113354d2@cam>

Hi list members.
                       Well I have finally finished work again after 13
months ( not bad when I went back for 3 or 4 ) and I'm back to enjoy the
list and it's friendly members   again and I can also get back to the
engines  and start trotting off to the Shows again (no pressure to be home
at a set time) Well I better get going and start reading. Catchya's Cam
Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW
Australia




From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Dec 11 21:52:52 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:52:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Is't true?
Message-ID: <20041212.010433.888.7.jlb94@juno.com>

Are we gonna start THIS again ?

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
 \/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:19:50 +0100 "John Hammink"
<jg.hammink at quicknet.nl> writes:
> Is't true that the SEL is almost dead?
> 
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Dec 11 22:32:59 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:32:59 +1100
Subject: [SEL] RETURN
In-Reply-To: <013401c4e00e$f09e80e0$113354d2@cam>
Message-ID: <200412120632.iBC6WjgN089478@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Welcome back Cam!

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----

Hi list members.
                       Well I have finally finished work again after 13
months ( not bad when I went back for 3 or 4 ) and I'm back to enjoy the
list and it's friendly members   again and I can also get back to the
engines  and start trotting off to the Shows again (no pressure to be home
at a set time) Well I better get going and start reading. Catchya's Cam
Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW
Australia





From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Sat Dec 11 22:47:14 2004
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:47:14 +1100
Subject: [SEL] RETURN
References: <013401c4e00e$f09e80e0$113354d2@cam>
Message-ID: <003a01c4e016$6a97eba0$03b41dd3@morris>

Welcome back mate,tis time to restart some engines.

Kerry

> Hi list members.
>                       Well I have finally finished work again after 13
> months ( not bad when I went back for 3 or 4 ) and I'm back to enjoy the
> list and it's friendly members   again and I can also get back to the
> engines  and start trotting off to the Shows again (no pressure to be home
> at a set time) Well I better get going and start reading. Catchya's Cam
> Cam and Edwina Grundy



From segray at mlode.com  Sat Dec 11 23:01:14 2004
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:01:14 -0800
Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
In-Reply-To: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>

Hi All -

Well, if the SEL is too quiet, I'll try to throw something here of 
interest into the pot for (sort of) a change of scenery. After close to 
1000 hours of work, I've finished the Mery model. Just need a stand for 
it now, a LOT of paint touch up and maybe a small added accessory later 
on. Some rough pictures are at:

http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/

To give you an idea of it's size, a majority of the bolt heads are 5/32" 
and the piping is either 3/16", 1/4". The intake manifold is 5/16", the 
spark plug threads are 1/4-32. A lot of work, but a lot of fun! Enjoy....

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



John Hammink wrote:

>Is't true that the SEL is almost dead?
>
>John Hammink
>Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
>jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>





From driggars at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 12 00:16:40 2004
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:16:40 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
	<41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <014e01c4e022$e91083a0$16478304@clinton>

Steve

all I have to say is WOW!  Nice engine. 

where did you get the plans for that one?
Clint


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Gray" <segray at mlode.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 1:01 AM
Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at


> Hi All -
> 
> Well, if the SEL is too quiet, I'll try to throw something here of 
> interest into the pot for (sort of) a change of scenery. After close to 
> 1000 hours of work, I've finished the Mery model. Just need a stand for 
> it now, a LOT of paint touch up and maybe a small added accessory later 
> on. Some rough pictures are at:
> 
> http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/
> 
> To give you an idea of it's size, a majority of the bolt heads are 5/32" 
> and the piping is either 3/16", 1/4". The intake manifold is 5/16", the 
> spark plug threads are 1/4-32. A lot of work, but a lot of fun! Enjoy....
> 
> - Steve
> 
> -- 
> Steve Gray
> Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
> Sonora, California USA
> e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
> Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com
> 
> 
> 
> John Hammink wrote:
> 
> >Is't true that the SEL is almost dead?
> >
> >John Hammink
> >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From segray at mlode.com  Sun Dec 12 00:31:54 2004
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:31:54 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
In-Reply-To: <014e01c4e022$e91083a0$16478304@clinton>
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>	<41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>
	<014e01c4e022$e91083a0$16478304@clinton>
Message-ID: <41BC01FA.7080509@mlode.com>

Thanks Clint. It's a machinist kit; castings and blue prints. Go to 
http://www.morrisonandmartin.com/mery.htm for a look-see.

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



Clint D wrote:

>Steve
>
>all I have to say is WOW!  Nice engine. 
>
>where did you get the plans for that one?
>Clint
>
>
>  
>





From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Sun Dec 12 00:35:33 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:35:33 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Is't true?
In-Reply-To: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <n70or05ak06eskckf6qt8oi7gcbvf0r65p@4ax.com>

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:19:50 +0100, you wrote:

>Is't true that the SEL is almost dead?

Sounds like the annual question that pops up each year, John.

We have had no time at all this year for anything on the engines as we have been
too busy at work, so apart from a couple of engine shows in the UK and the
Portland and Tulare trips we haven't done a lot at all. On the workshop
machinery side we have been very busy indeed, acquiring a CNC engraver and other
tooling to go on the milling machines.

There is plenty of activity though, have a look on Smokestak, Sparks 'n Arcs etc
on Harry's site plus the Slick list.

It can be too easy to rely on one source as a guide to engine activity out
there, and with Xmas coming there are a lot of other things to keep folks
occupied. I had to make a conscious decision to get away from the 'puter as it
can be too easy to sit there waiting for something to turn up, instead of doing
something practical instead.

The time of year in the northern hemisphere also means winter and cold weather
for most of us, so outdoor work tends to slow down.

I think you will find that this same subject crops up every year on the lists,
and the newsgroups are quiet as well BTW.

Peter




From michael.y at ozemail.com.au  Sun Dec 12 01:35:55 2004
From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:35:55 +1100
Subject: [SEL] RETURN
References: <013401c4e00e$f09e80e0$113354d2@cam>
Message-ID: <004101c4e02d$fc0bd300$0301a8c0@Young1203>

sound good Cam,

Micahel Young
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
To: "LISTMAIL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 4:53 PM
Subject: [SEL] RETURN


> Hi list members.
>                        Well I have finally finished work again after 13
> months ( not bad when I went back for 3 or 4 ) and I'm back to enjoy the
> list and it's friendly members   again and I can also get back to the
> engines  and start trotting off to the Shows again (no pressure to be home
> at a set time) Well I better get going and start reading. Catchya's Cam
> Cam and Edwina Grundy
> Kariong
> Gosford   NSW
> Australia
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 12 03:34:38 2004
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 03:34:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
In-Reply-To: <41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <20041212113438.74740.qmail@web14126.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Steve,
Your Mery looks great. I know, lots of hours involved.  Mine is complete except for the ignition system. I'm thinking of using a Hall system. What are you using? Also what are you doing for a cooling water system?  I made a piston pump and am driving it off the crankshaft. The flow then goes into a holding tank. I made and mounted the engine and cooling system on a box made of 3/4 plywood for a top and 3/4 oak sides. There is a drawer in each end to hole the electrical in one and the fuel system in the other. In the center area is a panel where the remote propane tank connects and valving to control, shutoff flow as is the pressure regulator. 
Fun project.
Ron

Steve Gray <segray at mlode.com> wrote:
Hi All -

Well, if the SEL is too quiet, I'll try to throw something here of 
interest into the pot for (sort of) a change of scenery. After close to 
1000 hours of work, I've finished the Mery model. Just need a stand for 
it now, a LOT of paint touch up and maybe a small added accessory later 
on. Some rough pictures are at:

http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/

To give you an idea of it's size, a majority of the bolt heads are 5/32" 
and the piping is either 3/16", 1/4". The intake manifold is 5/16", the 
spark plug threads are 1/4-32. A lot of work, but a lot of fun! Enjoy....

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail: segray at mlode.com
Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com



John Hammink wrote:

>Is't true that the SEL is almost dead?
>
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>Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
>jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
>
>
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sun Dec 12 04:04:12 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:04:12 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Is't true?
References: <200412120433.iBC4XSUN031065@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <001101c4e042$b1a7e410$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

That's ones choice Rob, they are good looking handles and
a for me exotic kind of wood.
I'm working on different projects and all day bussy, but when
at the keyboard there is a low traffic at the SEL and the subjects
are not much of interest, even the charity auction is very low of
interest with just a few items, nothing special or exciting.

When I see Harry's new board, there're 1015 registered members 
just in 6 weeks that it runs with lots of interesting subjects, photos
images and the kind. You have seen it yourself isn't it?

That's why I asked, "Is the SEL almost dead" and the meaning
of  "almost" is in this case your own reading.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



> Ahdunno John, it's a complex question.  
> 
> Been working on any engines?  I didn't work on engines today, but in the
> afternoon I needed a break from the chores so I whipped up some toys that are
> used when working on engines.  On topic, right?
> 
> You see, I don't like the big, fat store-bought file handles.  They don't allow
> me to hold the file where I have the most control, so I prefer something smaller
> diameter and cylindrical.  I've also decided that handle-less files are a bit
> dangerous.  
> 
> Another reason for the exercise is that I really like using tools that were
> fabricated, whether they're of my own creation or someone else's.
> 
> This whole exercise is pretty mundane, but might be of  any interest because a
> few months ago someone was asking about bottlebrush trees.  The handles I made
> are from the bottlebrush tree in our backyard.
> http://temp.rustyiron.com/bottlebrush-file-handles.jpg
> 
> 
> =-=-=-=-=-=
> Rob Skinner
> La Habra, California
> mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
> http://www.rustyiron.com 
> 
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From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Sun Dec 12 04:28:57 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (diesel at easynet.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:28:57 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Is't true?
In-Reply-To: <001101c4e042$b1a7e410$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
References: <200412120433.iBC4XSUN031065@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<001101c4e042$b1a7e410$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <1102854537.41bc3989d8e0c@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk>

Quoting John Hammink <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>:

> That's ones choice Rob, they are good looking handles and
> a for me exotic kind of wood.
> I'm working on different projects and all day bussy, but when
> at the keyboard there is a low traffic at the SEL and the subjects
> are not much of interest, even the charity auction is very low of
> interest with just a few items, nothing special or exciting.

Certainly has been a low response this year, we haven't got a lot of stuff that 
would go on there at present, but I'll have another dig through the pile in the 
workshop...

> When I see Harry's new board, there're 1015 registered members 
> just in 6 weeks that it runs with lots of interesting subjects, photos
> images and the kind. You have seen it yourself isn't it?

Harry always had a large number of people, John, a lot of whom don't use the SEL 
list for one reason or another. The pictures facility is useful, and a plus 
point for those wanting or needing to show an object of an engine to others for 
comments etc. We have that as well, we just use our sites on Oldengine.org.

> That's why I asked, "Is the SEL almost dead" and the meaning
> of  "almost" is in this case your own reading.

It's just the time of year, things will pick up again, promise!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk
Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Dec 12 05:35:03 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:35:03 -0500
Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
In-Reply-To: <41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
	<41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <41BC4907.4040507@scrtc.com>

Great work Steve!  I would say if you finished it in 1000 hours you're a 
pretty good machinist.  A lot of work in that baby.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Steve Gray wrote:

> Hi All -
>
> Well, if the SEL is too quiet, I'll try to throw something here of 
> interest into the pot for (sort of) a change of scenery. After close 
> to 1000 hours of work, I've finished the Mery model. Just need a stand 
> for it now, a LOT of paint touch up and maybe a small added accessory 
> later on. Some rough pictures are at:
>
> http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/
>
> To give you an idea of it's size, a majority of the bolt heads are 
> 5/32" and the piping is either 3/16", 1/4". The intake manifold is 
> 5/16", the spark plug threads are 1/4-32. A lot of work, but a lot of 
> fun! Enjoy....
>
> - Steve
>




From d.fleming at sasktel.net  Sun Dec 12 05:42:17 2004
From: d.fleming at sasktel.net (D. Fleming)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 07:42:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <000d01c4e050$6721f260$b2c36e40@flemingwin98>

who stationary-engine


From wrl at gwltd.com  Sun Dec 12 06:14:19 2004
From: wrl at gwltd.com (Dave Mayfield)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:14:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com><Pine.BSF.4.51.0412100857130.28826@vegeta.city-net.com>	<41B9E970.9020008@scrtc.com>	<020a01c4df0b$9980b5c0$381117d1@net.telenet.net><41BA5CF2.30307@scrtc.com>	<41BA70AA.3090404@fidnet.com><009601c4df78$6cbd2060$0500005a@laptop>
	<41BB9B3E.2040002@fidnet.com>
Message-ID: <009901c4e057$054e2340$0500005a@laptop>

Yep, glad you found it. I cant tell you how many times I have had one of my
customers come in for this very thing.

J. Dave Mayfield
www.w9wrl.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Epps" <garyepps at fidnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Info on Communications


> Hi Dave, Thanks for the heads up.  I have now changed the setting.
> There are apparently a lot of things to explore on that little thing.
>
> Gary
>
> Dave Mayfield wrote:
> > Gary, then read your manual and set your phone not to answer when you
open
> > it! o'yes your phone has this option.
> >
> > J. Dave Mayfield
> > www.w9wrl.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gary Epps" <garyepps at fidnet.com>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Info on Communications
> >
> >
> >
> >>And with a flip phone you can't see who is calling until you turn in on
> >>by opening it so you use up precious minutes just trying to find out who
> >>is calling.
> >>
> >>Gary
> >>
> >>Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> >>
> >>>Steve,
> >>>
> >>>   There still appears to be some loopholes.  Not the section that I
cut
> >>>and pasted from the info you provided:
> >>>
> >>>"Additionally, telemarketing use of automated calling systems to a
> >>>wireless phone number is prohibited by law, and will still be illegal
> >>>even if a consumer chooses to have their wireless number in the 411
> >>>service."
> >>>
> >>>Note the keywords "automated calling systems".  I haven't read the FCC
> >>>language but if it reads like this (and I'll bet this came verbatim
from
> >>>their regulations) and its a "live person dialing" and not an automated
> >>>system, it may be permitted.  I don't' want any air time minutes I
could
> >>>use making a deal on some old iron being taken up by someone wanting to
> >>>sell me insurance.  I wouldn't mind my cell number being published.
> >>>But, I want to make sure its someone I need to talk to on the other end
> >>>of the line.
> >>>
> >>>Tommy Turner
> >>>Magnolia, KY
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>SEL mailing list
> >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>--
> >>In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move
> >>at a leisurely pace.
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
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> >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move
> at a leisurely pace.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sun Dec 12 06:33:22 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:33:22 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Is't true?
References: <200412120433.iBC4XSUN031065@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><001101c4e042$b1a7e410$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
	<1102854537.41bc3989d8e0c@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000f01c4e057$8898d330$3e636854@Sixmjohn>


Thanks Peter for your posts and explanation, I think
I can live with that.

John H.


> Quoting John Hammink <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>:
> 
> > That's ones choice Rob, they are good looking handles and
> > a for me exotic kind of wood.
> > I'm working on different projects and all day bussy, but when
> > at the keyboard there is a low traffic at the SEL and the subjects
> > are not much of interest, even the charity auction is very low of
> > interest with just a few items, nothing special or exciting.
> 
> Certainly has been a low response this year, we haven't got a lot of stuff that 
> would go on there at present, but I'll have another dig through the pile in the 
> workshop...
> 
> > When I see Harry's new board, there're 1015 registered members 
> > just in 6 weeks that it runs with lots of interesting subjects, photos
> > images and the kind. You have seen it yourself isn't it?
> 
> Harry always had a large number of people, John, a lot of whom don't use the SEL 
> list for one reason or another. The pictures facility is useful, and a plus 
> point for those wanting or needing to show an object of an engine to others for 
> comments etc. We have that as well, we just use our sites on Oldengine.org.
> 
> > That's why I asked, "Is the SEL almost dead" and the meaning
> > of  "almost" is in this case your own reading.
> 
> It's just the time of year, things will pick up again, promise!
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk
> Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel




From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Dec 12 06:47:43 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:47:43 EST
Subject: [SEL] Is't true?
Message-ID: <1db.31260546.2eedb40f@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/12/2004 12:44:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
rskinner at rustyiron.com writes:

<< The handles I made
 are from the bottlebrush tree in our backyard. >>


Rob,

Nice turned file handles!  So what is a bottlebrush tree?

Many years ago while on business in California I was able to visit with some 
relatives one evening.  They had a lemon tree in the yard full of lemons.  She 
practically had to force me to bring Millie a bag of lemons home to Virginia. 
 Millie made lemonade with them and it was undoubtedly the most delicious 
lemonade I ever had.  Wish later that I had shipped a barrel full home!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Dec 12 06:54:50 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:54:50 EST
Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
Message-ID: <157.45d928a3.2eedb5ba@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/12/2004 2:35:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
segray at mlode.com writes:

<< After close to 
 1000 hours of work, I've finished the Mery model.  >>


Steve,  

That is a lot of beautiful work and great patience!  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Dec 12 07:05:17 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:05:17 EST
Subject: [SEL] Reid question
Message-ID: <159.46313d29.2eedb82d@aol.com>

While rereading the December issue of GEM for the 4th time, I noted some 
information on the Reid engine (pg 26) that got my curiosity up.  It said that 
Reid sold a lot of "hot tubes" for replacement parts because they were stolen 
from the engine to make rings out of silver.  Was some part of the hot tube made 
out of silver and if so, how come?  

Always nice to learn something new!

Thanks, 

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com

ps:  I am not dead on the SEL as I woke up this morning breathing.  What a 
great feeling!


From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Sat Dec 11 13:18:56 2004
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 22:18:56 +0100
Subject: [SEL] R&V question
References: <f4.45c8788f.2eeb2e62@aol.com>
	<005301c4deed$7c1df510$3775833e@harryp1811>
	<000501c4df0d$e94e2cc0$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <00b901c4dfc7$0602cfb0$3775833e@harryp1811>

Hi John,
I already have you picture's printed and in the workshop!
They sure are important to me as now I know what the mixer should look
like;)
I already got them though, as last year you got me a CD with about 100 R&V
pictures taken at the R&V reunion.
You took many detail pictures for me! works great!!


Harry Terpstra
Sint Annaparochie
Netherlands
h.terpstra at wxs.nl
http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] R&V question


> Hi Harry, I guess you're constructing this:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/R&V1.jpg
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/R&V2.jpg
>
> C-U,
>
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Dec 12 07:33:49 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:33:49 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
Message-ID: <1a7.2d068680.2eedbedd@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/11/2004 10:20:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  segra
y at mlode.com writes:

We've dropped down to $2.199 for regular this past week here in 
Sonora CA.  Been floating around the $2.40 mark for the last several 
months for both  gas and diesel. Premium's been pushing $2.60. Haven't 
seen much under $2  for a couple of years now.


It is about the same price here in the Santa Maria area.   Gasoline is 
usually cheaper in San Luis Obispo county than it is here.  In  Santa Barbara, there 
is one gas station that has its prices at least 50 cent  higher per gallon 
and they seem to stay in business.
Just before the hurricanes hit Florida, the price for regular was  down to 
$2.06.
 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, California


From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Dec 12 07:54:47 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:54:47 -0500
Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
In-Reply-To: <41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
	<41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041212105402.0242a398@mail.alltel.net>

My Goodness, THAT IS NICE!
         Dave
>Hi All -
>Well, if the SEL is too quiet, I'll try to throw something here of 
>interest into the pot for (sort of) a change of scenery. After close to 
>1000 hours of work, I've finished the Mery model. Just need a stand for it 
>now, a LOT of paint touch up and maybe a small added accessory later on. 
>Some rough picture
>http://www.oldengineshed.c
>To give you an idea of it's size, a majority of the bolt heads are 5/32" 
>and the piping is either 3/16", 1/4". The intake manifold is 5/16", the 
>spark plug threads are 1/4-32. A lot of work, but a lot of fun! Enjoy....
>- Steve



From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Dec 12 08:24:19 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:24:19 -0500
Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
Message-ID: <20041212.112440.920.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Wow !!! - Steve,

Really good looking engine.  Unfortunately, I don't have the machinery,
nor the place to set it up to do that kind of thing.

This year I really don't have a "winter project" so I've been putzing
around with some of the old stuff on the shelves.  Mostly Briggs & REO. 
made a couple of siphon tubes with check ball for 2 Briggs tanks. 
Cleaned up several engines just to get the cob webs off and clean out the
fuel systems.

I ordered an oil seal for the REO from my local bearing shop and it will
be in soon.
Maybe, after all these years, I can run it without a sea of oil around
it.

I have a Solid Rust IDEAL upright waiting to be worked on.  The last time
I tended to it,
I had to scoop a crankcase full of "baby dung" out.  It was making me gag
as I was scooping and the thought of it was a little upsetting
afterwards.  I'm not sure what the future will be for the IDEAL just yet.

Well - Not much else here.  
Got to run - We're holding a Christmas Party for the member's kids of our
lodge today.

Have a good'un.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
 \/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Dec 12 08:50:16 2004
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:50:16 -0000
Subject: [SEL] International shipping
Message-ID: <007e01c4e06a$c1a18600$369ae150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi all ,

        I have just spent the day unpacking and playing with my new toys that I bought when visiting Portland in august.
        I would like to say a big thanks to all who helped with the engines either at portland or in getting them to New York.

        See you latter ,
                               Craig in Scotland

From wilson at stny.rr.com  Sat Dec 11 10:40:14 2004
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:40:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT  What has happen to gasoline price?
In-Reply-To: <003101c4df25$68907c60$58c9e641@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <GAEKIMAIANIDDENKHPAOIEGNNGAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>

Around here, $2.019 is a GOOD price for regular
Glenn Wilson, Endicott, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Glenn A
Karch
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:02 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] OT What has happen to gasoline price?


To all,

What has happened to gasoline prices in your area?  I just filled up at a
nearby Flying J Truck Stop for $1.46.9.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian

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From Vivas1993 at aol.com  Sun Dec 12 10:27:24 2004
From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:27:24 EST
Subject: [SEL] Reid question
Message-ID: <85.1cd0c473.2eede78c@aol.com>

Hi Tom,
 I'm pretty sure that these hot tubes were not a true silver. They were made 
from an alloy called German Silver, also known as Nickel Silver. These alloys 
contained no real silver, but were called that because of their silver color. 
 It's been a great week for engine magazines, got my new issue of GEM, SEM, & 
TOMM. Lot's of reading to do :-)

 Dwight Vivas
 Matoaca, VA.


From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Dec 12 10:37:37 2004
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:37:37 -0000
Subject: [SEL] gas prices
Message-ID: <003101c4e079$a9153320$5094e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi all,
        You folks across the pond don't know how luck that you are with the price of gas , as here in scotland once I convert from the dreaded litres to gallons and multiply by the exchange rate it works out at about $8.50 per gallon. If that isn't bad enough approximately 75% of the pump price goes to the goverment in the way of taxes.

From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Dec 12 10:43:19 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:43:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Reid question
In-Reply-To: <85.1cd0c473.2eede78c@aol.com>
References: <85.1cd0c473.2eede78c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41BC9147.6000700@scrtc.com>

Dwight,

    I think its the same material that most ignitor points were made of.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Vivas1993 at aol.com wrote:

>Hi Tom,
> I'm pretty sure that these hot tubes were not a true silver. They were made 
>from an alloy called German Silver, also known as Nickel Silver. These alloys 
>contained no real silver, but were called that because of their silver color. 
> It's been a great week for engine magazines, got my new issue of GEM, SEM, & 
>TOMM. Lot's of reading to do :-)
>
> Dwight Vivas
> Matoaca, VA.
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Sun Dec 12 08:28:17 2004
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:28:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Reid question
Message-ID: <002301c4e067$98eae240$a1680b42@gnarmstrong>

Tom,
  While talking with one of the guys at Moraine State Park in PA. at the oil
well exhibit this summer he told me that hot tubes were stolen, because they
were silver,and used for making rings.  I really thought he was wrong and
meant they looked like silver and were in fact monel or stainless.  The
article in GEM was the second time I've seen silver mentioned as a hot tube
mat'l.  I still doubt it.    Geo.
-----Original Message-----
From: Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:24 AM
Subject: [SEL] Reid question


>While rereading the December issue of GEM for the 4th time, I noted some
>information on the Reid engine (pg 26) that got my curiosity up.  It said
that
>Reid sold a lot of "hot tubes" for replacement parts because they were
stolen
>from the engine to make rings out of silver.  Was some part of the hot tube
made
>out of silver and if so, how come?
>
>Always nice to learn something new!
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tom Schmutz
>Concord, Va. USA
>Germoamer at aol.com
>
>ps:  I am not dead on the SEL as I woke up this morning breathing.  What a
>great feeling!
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Dec 12 01:00:56 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:00:56 +1100
Subject: [SEL] RETURN
References: <013401c4e00e$f09e80e0$113354d2@cam>
Message-ID: <000201c4e085$b73088e0$04111bd3@athlon>

Hi Cam. Welcome back. See you soon?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
To: "LISTMAIL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 4:53 PM
Subject: [SEL] RETURN


> Hi list members.
>                        Well I have finally finished work again after 13
> months ( not bad when I went back for 3 or 4 ) and I'm back to enjoy the
> list and it's friendly members   again and I can also get back to the
> engines  and start trotting off to the Shows again (no pressure to be home
> at a set time) Well I better get going and start reading. Catchya's Cam
> Cam and Edwina Grundy
> Kariong
> Gosford   NSW
> Australia
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Dec 12 13:37:41 2004
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:37:41 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] International shipping
In-Reply-To: <007e01c4e06a$c1a18600$369ae150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <20041212213741.185.qmail@web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi Craig

How did you get the heavy bits across the water?  Any problems with Customs?

Regards

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea


 --- craig morrison <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk> wrote: 

>         I have just spent the day unpacking and playing with my new toys that I bought when
> visiting Portland in august.



	
	
		
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From Todengine at aol.com  Sun Dec 12 15:38:49 2004
From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:38:49 EST
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Foundation Acquires Ingersoll Rand Steam Air
	Compressor
Message-ID: <1f4.340ba74.2eee3089@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/10/2004 5:40:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, Todengine 
writes:
Thanks to the efforts of James Hefner of the the Surviving World Steam 
Project the Tod Engine Foundation is now the proud owner of an Ingersoll Rand Type 
10 Imperial two cylinder steam air compressor. The engine was donated by Park 
Ohio Industries from their drop forgings plant in Cleveland, Ohio.  We estimate 
the engine dates back to at least 1917. This plant once operated steam 
forging hammers making crankshafts, most notably being the shafts for the 16 
cylinder EMD diesel locomotive engines.  A couple of the hammers are still in place 
and I have been promised a tour of them next week.  Rest assured I will have 
numerous photos of the hammers to share after the tour. 

The engine is about 8' wide and 13' long overall, with a 64" diameter 
flywheel.  It is complete including flyball governor and original Ingersoll Rand air 
pressure gauge!  The engine was removed from the powerhouse building as it was 
being demolished as the plant management wanted to see it preserved instead 
of scrapped.  

The Tod Engine Foundation has pledged to restore and exhibit this engine in a 
place of honor next to the Tod Engine in our to be constructed enginehouse 
building. In the interim it will be moved to our restoration shop for cleaning 
and restoration.  

Next Tuesday I will be up in Cleveland to begin dismantling for shipment.  I 
intend to break it down into several component pieces for transport to 
Youngstown over a couple of days.  I have a one ton flatbed truck and dual axle 
trailer available to haul the parts and a 2 ton crane in the restoration shop for 
unloading, so the parts must be reduced to a manageable weight.  There will be 
a forklift on site to assist in the dismantling and loading, and perhaps one 
of the plant's mechanics will be made available to assist.  

Photos of the compressor are online at 
http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark
William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
Youngstown, OH
www.todengine.org

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark
William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
Youngstown, OH
www.todengine.org

From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Dec 12 09:29:36 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:29:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
In-Reply-To: <003701c4e001$01a50e80$3b1117d1@net.telenet.net>
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com> <000b01c4df76$0273e060$0500005a@laptop>
	<003701c4e001$01a50e80$3b1117d1@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <6517708A-4C63-11D9-AA87-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> Oh and I was a verizon customer for 4 years. Now I am with Cingular.
> Better customer support and MUCH better coverage.

I'm switching from Verizon to Cingular now. I've had bad experiences 
(previously related) with Verizon. (Had them for about 5 years.) My 
kids have been on Cingular for a while, and they're better.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Dec 12 09:37:13 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:37:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Reid question
In-Reply-To: <159.46313d29.2eedb82d@aol.com>
References: <159.46313d29.2eedb82d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <757A4CC9-4C64-11D9-AA87-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

They were commonly made of "German Silver," really a nickel brass. May 
have been real silver ones, too, I don't know, but I'd expect not as 
most silver alloys are both soft and low in melting point.

John

On Dec 12, 2004, at 10:05 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

> While rereading the December issue of GEM for the 4th time, I noted 
> some
> information on the Reid engine (pg 26) that got my curiosity up.  It 
> said that
> Reid sold a lot of "hot tubes" for replacement parts because they were 
> stolen
> from the engine to make rings out of silver.  Was some part of the hot 
> tube made
> out of silver and if so, how come?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From pnmnw at allvantage.com  Sun Dec 12 16:10:07 2004
From: pnmnw at allvantage.com (Peter)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 19:10:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] rigging engine for lift
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20041212185604.00c00708@pop3.allvantage.com>

Does anyone have any . . . um . . . elegant solutions to rigging something 
like a 3hp F-M Z?  I've just finished making a truck for it and am tired of 
my Rube Goldberg-and-baling-twine inventions that attach the engine to the 
chain falls.  Chains, rope, tow straps, under the cylinder, through the 
spokes, around crankcase--and never twice the same way.  I'm sick of it, I 
tell ya!  Would it have been so hard for them to cast some eyes into the 
top of the engine?  Thanks for any tips.

Peter Wagner
Barnet, VT
USA
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From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Sun Dec 12 16:53:48 2004
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:53:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] rigging engine for lift
Message-ID: <001301c4e0ae$356a3260$c5680b42@gnarmstrong>

Peter,
   Fab. a lifting beam to thread thru the spokes of the flywheels with a
lift point in the center and adjustable stops so the lifting beam cannot
slip sideways in the flywheels ( you could adapt a singletree for this
purpose ).  Then use a nylon strap to lift the cylinder end  choking the
cylinder by passing one eye of the strap thru the other eye.  Then lift by
the loose eye of the strap and an adjustable length of chain from your
lifting beam.  By using a lifting beam you will not be pulling the flywheels
toward one another causing bending on the crank.    Geo.
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter <pnmnw at allvantage.com>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, December 12, 2004 6:17 PM
Subject: [SEL] rigging engine for lift


>Does anyone have any . . . um . . . elegant solutions to rigging something
>like a 3hp F-M Z?  I've just finished making a truck for it and am tired of
>my Rube Goldberg-and-baling-twine inventions that attach the engine to the
>chain falls.  Chains, rope, tow straps, under the cylinder, through the
>spokes, around crankcase--and never twice the same way.  I'm sick of it, I
>tell ya!  Would it have been so hard for them to cast some eyes into the
>top of the engine?  Thanks for any tips.
>
>Peter Wagner
>Barnet, VT
>USA
>



From BetCleve321 at aol.com  Sun Dec 12 16:56:44 2004
From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 19:56:44 EST
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Foundation Acquires Ingersoll Rand Steam Air
	Compressor
Message-ID: <1f1.30b6bf5d.2eee42cc@aol.com>

I forgot. I hace one of the tools here, the inventors brother in law  brought 
it to me today. I evaluate these things for possible addition to my web  
store.
I don't have it listed yet.
This is off list because I am really scared of the spam thing so if  you get 
one , I won't make a thing.
This thing is a brute and looks like it would have helped in your Todd  
project.
Skip


From BetCleve321 at aol.com  Sun Dec 12 16:48:15 2004
From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 19:48:15 EST
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Foundation Acquires Ingersoll Rand Steam Air
	Compressor
Message-ID: <90.52e0e29d.2eee40cf@aol.com>

I have something here that may be helpful in removing the compressor   from 
it's home. Check this out.
_www.thedismantler.com_ (http://www.thedismantler.com) 
 
Skip


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Dec 12 18:56:45 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:56:45 EST
Subject: [SEL] Johnson Utilimotor Up Date
Message-ID: <12e.530dbfbd.2eee5eed@aol.com>

Hi List,
Today was a great day for the Johnson Utilimotor restoration.   The piston is 
no longer stuck in the cylinder.
Thank goodness for this list.  I think I would have several  chunks of cast 
iron if I did listen to good advise about taking it  easy, going slow, and not 
to rush.  
The heat wrench was used a couple of times with liberal application  of 
penetration oil as the assembly cooled.  Then after the unit was at a  temperature 
cool enough to touch, a hammer and a block of wood was used to  liberate the 
piston.  The piston and rings are in good condition.  The  cylinder needs to be 
honed.
The rest of the engine has been cleaned and is ready for  reassembly.  The 
flywheel and the rear magneto brass cover plate has been  glass beaded.
The magnet in the magneto needs to be re-magnetizes.  However,  the gentleman 
who does this type of work for me has been hospitalize.   Therefore, the 
completion of this project will have wait until he is back at  work. 
Again thanks for all the excellent inputs from the  members of this list.  
Even though that some of the suggestions were not  applicable at the time, I was 
able to recall what people had recommended to  accomplish similar tasks.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria,  California



From galoway4 at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 12 16:51:59 2004
From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:51:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Info on Communications
References: <41B9A623.702@scrtc.com>
	<000b01c4df76$0273e060$0500005a@laptop><003701c4e001$01a50e80$3b1117d1@net.telenet.net>
	<6517708A-4C63-11D9-AA87-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <005201c4e0ad$f5aee3a0$99d85a42@jake>

Hello John:

   I am going to sign my kids up to cingular. hope it helps.

Arthur
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Info on Communications


>> Oh and I was a verizon customer for 4 years. Now I am with Cingular.
>> Better customer support and MUCH better coverage.
> 
> I'm switching from Verizon to Cingular now. I've had bad experiences 
> (previously related) with Verizon. (Had them for about 5 years.) My 
> kids have been on Cingular for a while, and they're better.
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From ozengine at yahoo.com.au  Sun Dec 12 19:13:00 2004
From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:13:00 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: RETURN
Message-ID: <20041213031300.37556.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com>

G'day Cam

Good to have you back. Say something about engines,
please. The SEL needs YOU! ;-)

Cheers

Graham in Melb.


Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
http://au.movies.yahoo.com


From segray at mlode.com  Sun Dec 12 23:20:56 2004
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:20:56 -0800
Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
In-Reply-To: <41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
	<41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <41BD42D8.3070206@mlode.com>

Hi All -

   Thanks to all for the comments! 

To Ron - To answer your questions about the Mery's ignition; yes, I am 
also using the Hall Effect transistor along with the solid state "buzz 
coil" driver and model high tension coil. This was the thing that 
probably gave me the most fits, and I ended up going back to my old 
career and oscilloscope, and redesigning some of the circuit. I really 
like the idea of the "pointless" ignition and the Hall transistor worked 
out great. The main problem was two fold: lack of dwell angle and the 
oscillator circuit not performing as advertised. In a nut shell, I 
nearly tripled the circuit's frequency while still trying to stay within 
the saturation specs of the coil. Doing this overcame the lack of dwell 
(on time) and literally was the difference between the engine running 
and not running. As for cooling, I'm doing nearly the same as you are. 
The little brass belt driven pump shown in the pictures is what I 
dreamed up to circulate the water from a custom 'tank'. The tin covered 
'tool box' next to the engine contains the propane tank, regulator, 
valve and a battery switch for the ignition. The tank, box and engine 
platform will eventually bolt to an oak top with concealed wheels, 
handle and legs for moving and showing.

To Marv - This is Mery # 223. I recently asked Roland Morrison, the 
kits' engineer, about how many of these he knows are running. He says 
he's aware of about 20 throughout the world that actually run now. I 
just recently coaxed the first person in Japan to buy a kit.

To Judge Tommy - Having never gone to school for machining, I consider 
myself darn lucky to be able to do as well as I do. Thing with this 
stuff, you're ALWAYS learning!

Again, thanks to all!

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com





From Mickc at vic.australis.com.au  Mon Dec 13 01:48:09 2004
From: Mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:48:09 +1100
Subject: [SEL] RETURN
References: <013401c4e00e$f09e80e0$113354d2@cam>
Message-ID: <011501c4e0f8$dafab070$19ae57ca@n>

Good to hear your back mate! Will be good to see you displaying your engines 
again, just make sure to dust the cob webs off!!
    Cheers
           Mick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
To: "LISTMAIL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 4:53 PM
Subject: [SEL] RETURN


> Hi list members.
>                       Well I have finally finished work again after 13
> months ( not bad when I went back for 3 or 4 ) and I'm back to enjoy the
> list and it's friendly members   again and I can also get back to the
> engines  and start trotting off to the Shows again (no pressure to be home
> at a set time) Well I better get going and start reading. Catchya's Cam
> Cam and Edwina Grundy
> Kariong
> Gosford   NSW
> Australia
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Dec 13 06:28:49 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 07:28:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] rigging engine for lift
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20041212185604.00c00708@pop3.allvantage.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV1948CB48D51EA749EDB8D3BBAB0@phx.gbl>

G'day Peter;
  So far I've had good luck with a channel thru the spokes and chain around 
the cylinder. Note the "U Bolt" securing the flwheel to the channel. See;

http://community.webshots.com/photo/48249342/48266488kAkjzn

Just lately we lifted a 1400 lb 4hp HC Horizontal Famous using the same 
setup with no problems.  Of course your F-M I believe is a little different 
setup but wouldn't this setup work?? Nice and simple and feel good about it.

  We are now thinking of fabricating a maintenance stand much like an engine 
stand so the main casting can be turned on two axis.  This would come in 
handy for disassembly/assembly, painting and such and will be a monster.

Take Care,
RickinMt.




> Does anyone have any . . . um . . . elegant solutions to rigging something
> like a 3hp F-M Z?  I've just finished making a truck for it and am tired 
> of
> my Rube Goldberg-and-baling-twine inventions that attach the engine to the
> chain falls.  Chains, rope, tow straps, under the cylinder, through the
> spokes, around crankcase--and never twice the same way.  I'm sick of it, I
> tell ya!  Would it have been so hard for them to cast some eyes into the
> top of the engine?  Thanks for any tips. 


From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Dec 13 08:07:07 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:07:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] rigging engine for lift
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV1948CB48D51EA749EDB8D3BBAB0@phx.gbl>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20041212185604.00c00708@pop3.allvantage.com>
	<BAY3-DAV1948CB48D51EA749EDB8D3BBAB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041213105945.02370c08@mail.alltel.net>

Two fairly easy ways of rigging can be found at: 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/16_GallowayTrailer/fly2.jpg 
and 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/16_GallowayTrailer/June%2010th/Mvc-003s.jpg 

         Dave
PS, http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/FairbanksM/FMRemoval/10.jpg 
seemed to work as well!

At 09:28 AM 12/13/2004, you wrote:
>G'day Peter;
>   So far I've had good luck with a channel thru the spokes and chain around
>the cylinder. Note the "U Bolt" securing the flwheel to the channel. See;
>
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/48249342/48266488kAkjzn
>
>Just lately we lifted a 1400 lb 4hp HC Horizontal Famous using the same
>setup with no problems.  Of course your F-M I believe is a little different
>setup but wouldn't this setup work?? Nice and simple and feel good about it.
>
>   We are now thinking of fabricating a maintenance stand much like an engine
>stand so the main casting can be turned on two axis.  This would come in
>handy for disassembly/assembly, painting and such and will be a monster.
>
>Take Care,
>RickinMt.
>
>
>
>
> > Does anyone have any . . . um . . . elegant solutions to rigging something
> > like a 3hp F-M Z?  I've just finished making a truck for it and am tired
> > of
> > my Rube Goldberg-and-baling-twine inventions that attach the engine to the
> > chain falls.  Chains, rope, tow straps, under the cylinder, through the
> > spokes, around crankcase--and never twice the same way.  I'm sick of it, I
> > tell ya!  Would it have been so hard for them to cast some eyes into the
> > top of the engine?  Thanks for any tips.
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Dec 13 09:38:43 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:38:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Vertical Governor SideShaft
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412131235030.79369@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

This bit of rusty old hardware is just too cool.  Anyone have a clue what
it might be a part of?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

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From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Dec 13 07:36:16 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:36:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] rigging engine for lift
Message-ID: <20041213.125553.876.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Nice set up Rick.

I like the "U" Bolt idea.



Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
\/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Dec 13 10:51:00 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:51:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Vertical Governor SideShaft
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412131235030.79369@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412131235030.79369@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041213134838.02380e78@mail.alltel.net>

At 12:38 PM 12/13/2004, you wrote:
>Hi Folks,
>This bit of rusty old hardware is just too cool.  Anyone have a clue what
>it might be a part of?
>See ya,  Arnie

Hi Arnie, As the description states, it's part of an "old engine."
         Dave
PS, Sumbitch--when does spring get here? 



From old_iron at msn.com  Mon Dec 13 11:21:31 2004
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:21:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT gasoline price?Oil company view
In-Reply-To: <002601c4df77$408cd450$91a226ca@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <BAY4-F8A545755C4431C526CE35E7AB0@phx.gbl>

Bill's Dad owned a Standard gas station for 20 years and I worked for Union 
Oil for 5 years, so I guess you could say I have an "insiders view".

In the mid 1970's here in the US there was a "gas shortage" (Ha, ha, ha) 
before the "shortage" gas was about 53 cents a gallon for preium after words 
it went up to 70 and 75 cents a gallon.  But BIG suprise there was no real 
shortage, the oil companies had plenty of gas they just decided to raise the 
prices and felt that if they just did it the public would have a hissy fit.  
So they with held the gas (stored it in places like Biesterfield Ohio and 
Rumsfield Michigan 2 former refineries for Union Oil), and bang zoom up went 
the prices.

Peter funny you mention the politions NOT mentioning the fuel prices during 
an election, Bush and Kerry didn't mention them here either.  Some how I 
feel Daddy Bush might have had something to do with that, Texas and Oil 
Money and all of that.

When I worked at Union they used to post the daily "wholesale" price of the 
gas, so we knew how much to figure the different state and federal taxes on 
(I worked in the corporate tax department), the average daily price was 
around 45 to 65 cents a gallon when the pump price was 80 to 95 cents a 
gallon.  Funny you should also mention "taxes" since here in Illinois we pay 
the highest gas tax in the nation between the state, county, and fed it 
averages about 25 cents a gallon now.

Just my 2 cents on this very HOT topic.

Peg Pfeiffer

>From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
[ Australian view]
>Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:39:49 +0800
>
>You may well ask what has happened to Petrol prices! Diesel here in the 
>part
>of Australia where i come from ranges from A$ 1.05 to $1.10 a litre, petrol
>sometimes gets to A$1.10 a litre,yes i know it is even dearer in other 
>parts
>of the country ....try crossing the ''Nullarbor. Interesting how the price
>of the  US Barrel can fluctuate but the price at the bowser remains the
>bloody same. Of course in our country the bloody bastard govt take their 
>tax
>according to the retail price so they are not going to even start thinking
>about trying to reduce the cost to the motorist .Funny in the lead up to 
>the
>recent Federal election there was not one mention of the oil prices by
>either parties!
>Any way it has stuffed up my trip to the National Rally at Naracoorte, just
>too damm expensive ........just a thought ,wasn't the invasion of Iraq 
>going
>to eleveate the problem?
>
>From: "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 10:01 AM
>Subject: [SEL] OT What has happen to gasoline price?
>
>
> > To all,
> >
> > What has happened to gasoline prices in your area?  I just filled up at 
>a
> > nearby Flying J Truck Stop for $1.46.9.
> >
> > Glenn
> >
> > Glenn Karch
> > Haubstadt, IN, USA
> > Hercules Historian
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
>
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From carrowor2002 at att.net  Mon Dec 13 11:37:54 2004
From: carrowor2002 at att.net (Robert Jacobs)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:37:54 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] OT gasoline price?Oil company view
References: <BAY4-F8A545755C4431C526CE35E7AB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41BDEF92.000001.02152@NOTEBOOK>

Hmmmm,   funny this got back to the 70's.

During the "first" shortages I was stationed (in the Navy) aboard a
destroyer in Norfolk, Va.  We were sent on an "emergency" detail to guard
the tankers anchored in the Chesapeake Bay which weren't  being allowed to
unload their cargo.  (surprise, surprise, surprise)  It seems as if the
federal authorities were afraid someone would discover they were there and
try something.  

It was a wonderful duty,  we ran circles around the bay for a week, then
went back to the pier for a week and started all over again.  All so the
prices would rise.

 
 
Bob 
Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob,
others just use the initials!
Carrowor2002 at att.net
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: The SEL email discussion list
Date: 12/13/04 14:23:17
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT gasoline price?Oil company view
 
Bill's Dad owned a Standard gas station for 20 years and I worked for Union
Oil for 5 years, so I guess you could say I have an "insiders view".
 
In the mid 1970's here in the US there was a "gas shortage" (Ha, ha, ha)
before the "shortage" gas was about 53 cents a gallon for preium after words
it went up to 70 and 75 cents a gallon.  But BIG suprise there was no real
shortage, the oil companies had plenty of gas they just decided to raise the
prices and felt that if they just did it the public would have a hissy fit.
So they with held the gas (stored it in places like Biesterfield Ohio and
Rumsfield Michigan 2 former refineries for Union Oil), and bang zoom up went
the prices.
 
Peter funny you mention the politions NOT mentioning the fuel prices during
an election, Bush and Kerry didn't mention them here either.  Some how I
feel Daddy Bush might have had something to do with that, Texas and Oil
Money and all of that.
 
When I worked at Union they used to post the daily "wholesale" price of the
gas, so we knew how much to figure the different state and federal taxes on
(I worked in the corporate tax department), the average daily price was
around 45 to 65 cents a gallon when the pump price was 80 to 95 cents a
gallon.  Funny you should also mention "taxes" since here in Illinois we pay
the highest gas tax in the nation between the state, county, and fed it
averages about 25 cents a gallon now.
 
Just my 2 cents on this very HOT topic.
 
Peg Pfeiffer
 
>From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
[ Australian view]
>Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:39:49 +0800
>
>You may well ask what has happened to Petrol prices! Diesel here in the
>part
>of Australia where i come from ranges from A$ 1.05 to $1.10 a litre, petrol
>sometimes gets to A$1.10 a litre,yes i know it is even dearer in other
>parts
>of the country ....try crossing the ''Nullarbor. Interesting how the price
>of the  US Barrel can fluctuate but the price at the bowser remains the
>bloody same. Of course in our country the bloody bastard govt take their
>tax
>according to the retail price so they are not going to even start thinking
>about trying to reduce the cost to the motorist .Funny in the lead up to
>the
>recent Federal election there was not one mention of the oil prices by
>either parties!
>Any way it has stuffed up my trip to the National Rally at Naracoorte, just
>too damm expensive ........just a thought ,wasn't the invasion of Iraq
>going
>to eleveate the problem?
>
>From: "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 10:01 AM
>Subject: [SEL] OT What has happen to gasoline price?
>
>
> > To all,
> >
> > What has happened to gasoline prices in your area?  I just filled up at
>a
> > nearby Flying J Truck Stop for $1.46.9.
> >
> > Glenn
> >
> > Glenn Karch
> > Haubstadt, IN, USA
> > Hercules Historian
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
&gt;SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 
 
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 13 12:33:24 2004
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:33:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Bouncing Email????
In-Reply-To: <41BDEF92.000001.02152@NOTEBOOK>
Message-ID: <20041213203324.29417.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>


Hi Folks,

I am very sorry if email is bouncing from my
alanb2 at webtv.net address.

I have not been able to access that email for over 24
hours.  I know it was close to full, ut inthe past
even if it did fill up it just told me it was full and
let me in.

I just spent a lot of time on the phone with the MSNTV
folks that now own WebTv.  All the gal was able to do
is send the problem up one level and tell me I would
get a call in 24 to 72 hours.  8>(((

At least I can use this email addy from here at my
WebTv or from the puter in the other room.

Sorry anyway,

Alan Bowen
rustaholic777 at yahoo.com



		
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From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Mon Dec 13 12:39:58 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:39:58 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Bouncing Email????
In-Reply-To: <20041213203324.29417.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <41BDEF92.000001.02152@NOTEBOOK>
	<20041213203324.29417.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <r9vrr0t22dthrujhhmsclgm8uq4vetbfle@4ax.com>

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:33:24 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>
>Hi Folks,
>
>I am very sorry if email is bouncing from my
>alanb2 at webtv.net address.
>
>I have not been able to access that email for over 24
>hours.  I know it was close to full, ut inthe past
>even if it did fill up it just told me it was full and
>let me in.
>
>I just spent a lot of time on the phone with the MSNTV
>folks that now own WebTv.  All the gal was able to do
>is send the problem up one level and tell me I would
>get a call in 24 to 72 hours.  8>(((
>
>At least I can use this email addy from here at my
>WebTv or from the puter in the other room.
>
>Sorry anyway,
>
>Alan Bowen
>rustaholic777 at yahoo.com

Haven't noticed it here, maybe just a select few?

We have the facility with Easynet to go onto their web-based server and
delete/reply to emails without going through the pop3 process. That makes life a
lot easier while overseas as we haven't got to call a UK number.

We also have a couple of email accounts on Waitrose.com who also offer that
service. Both companies have really excellent free support as well. Easynet is a
paid-for ISP while Waitrose is a free service.

Peter




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Dec 13 04:21:22 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:21:22 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Wow!
Message-ID: <200412132121.iBDLKxHt006212@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7119146293


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 13 13:45:26 2004
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:45:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
In-Reply-To: <41BD42D8.3070206@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <20041213214526.89273.qmail@web14121.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Steve,
I'm going to hang on to this email. When I get into the ignition, I'm sure I'll have some questions.
Thanks in advance.
Ron

Steve Gray <segray at mlode.com> wrote:
Hi All -

Thanks to all for the comments! 

To Ron - To answer your questions about the Mery's ignition; yes, I am 
also using the Hall Effect transistor along with the solid state "buzz 
coil" driver and model high tension coil. This was the thing that 
probably gave me the most fits, and I ended up going back to my old 
career and oscilloscope, and redesigning some of the circuit. I really 
like the idea of the "pointless" ignition and the Hall transistor worked 
out great. The main problem was two fold: lack of dwell angle and the 
oscillator circuit not performing as advertised. In a nut shell, I 
nearly tripled the circuit's frequency while still trying to stay within 
the saturation specs of the coil. Doing this overcame the lack of dwell 
(on time) and literally was the difference between the engine running 
and not running. As for cooling, I'm doing nearly the same as you are. 
The little brass belt driven pump shown in the pictures is what I 
dreamed up to circulate the water from a custom 'tank'. The tin covered 
'tool box' next to the engine contains the propane tank, regulator, 
valve and a battery switch for the ignition. The tank, box and engine 
platform will eventually bolt to an oak top with concealed wheels, 
handle and legs for moving and showing.

To Marv - This is Mery # 223. I recently asked Roland Morrison, the 
kits' engineer, about how many of these he knows are running. He says 
he's aware of about 20 throughout the world that actually run now. I 
just recently coaxed the first person in Japan to buy a kit.

To Judge Tommy - Having never gone to school for machining, I consider 
myself darn lucky to be able to do as well as I do. Thing with this 
stuff, you're ALWAYS learning!

Again, thanks to all!

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail: segray at mlode.com
Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com



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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Mon Dec 13 14:43:01 2004
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:43:01 +0000
Subject: [SEL] SEL and GEM
Message-ID: <41BE1AF5.FE027427@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Folks

As you know, I've been using discussions on this list to create a GEM
column every month for about 5 1/2 years now, and as has recently been
noted, there's not always a lot going on here.  It's been getting harder
and harder to find a thread with enough discussion to use for an article
and I feel that the quality is slipping.
It may be that I'm getting jaded - I don't know.  But I do know that I'm
not happy with what I'm producing and would like to ideally hand over to
someone else.
So ... if anyone would like to take over the job and do it with a fresh
eye, I'm more than happy to hand over.  Alternatively, I'll suggest to
Ritchie Backus that it becomes an occasional column, when there's
something worth writing about.

Dolly

--
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk




From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Dec 13 15:22:41 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:22:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Wow!
In-Reply-To: <200412132121.iBDLKxHt006212@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200412132121.iBDLKxHt006212@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041213182147.023f2cf8@mail.alltel.net>

At 07:21 AM 12/13/2004, you wrote:
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7119146293
>Patrick M Livingstone

Hi Patrick, There have been times when I've had too much to drink as well!
         Dave 



From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Mon Dec 13 16:19:52 2004
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:19:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] SEL and GEM
Message-ID: <000a01c4e172$a4e048e0$34690b42@gnarmstrong>

Current issue discussion is good Helen.     George
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
To: Stationary Engine List <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, December 13, 2004 5:48 PM
Subject: [SEL] SEL and GEM


>Hi Folks
>
>As you know, I've been using discussions on this list to create a GEM
>column every month for about 5 1/2 years now, and as has recently been
>noted, there's not always a lot going on here.  It's been getting harder
>and harder to find a thread with enough discussion to use for an article
>and I feel that the quality is slipping.
>It may be that I'm getting jaded - I don't know.  But I do know that I'm
>not happy with what I'm producing and would like to ideally hand over to
>someone else.
>So ... if anyone would like to take over the job and do it with a fresh
>eye, I'm more than happy to hand over.  Alternatively, I'll suggest to
>Ritchie Backus that it becomes an occasional column, when there's
>something worth writing about.
>
>Dolly
>
>--
>Jim French
>fbi at insulate.co.uk
>http://www.insulate.co.uk
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Dec 13 20:23:04 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:23:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT gasoline price?Oil company view
References: <BAY4-F8A545755C4431C526CE35E7AB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00b601c4e194$9c0502c0$185c14d0@net.telenet.net>

Peg,

    Not sure you folks pay the highest tax on gas any more. In NY we pay
closer to 47 cents per gallon with the Federal, State, County,
Environmental fee, Gas station pump surcharge.

Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT gasoline price?Oil company view


> Bill's Dad owned a Standard gas station for 20 years and I worked for
Union
> Oil for 5 years, so I guess you could say I have an "insiders view".
>
> In the mid 1970's here in the US there was a "gas shortage" (Ha, ha,
ha)
> before the "shortage" gas was about 53 cents a gallon for preium after
words
> it went up to 70 and 75 cents a gallon.  But BIG suprise there was no
real
> shortage, the oil companies had plenty of gas they just decided to
raise the
> prices and felt that if they just did it the public would have a hissy
fit.
> So they with held the gas (stored it in places like Biesterfield Ohio
and
> Rumsfield Michigan 2 former refineries for Union Oil), and bang zoom
up went
> the prices.
>
> Peter funny you mention the politions NOT mentioning the fuel prices
during
> an election, Bush and Kerry didn't mention them here either.  Some how
I
> feel Daddy Bush might have had something to do with that, Texas and
Oil
> Money and all of that.
>
> When I worked at Union they used to post the daily "wholesale" price
of the
> gas, so we knew how much to figure the different state and federal
taxes on
> (I worked in the corporate tax department), the average daily price
was
> around 45 to 65 cents a gallon when the pump price was 80 to 95 cents
a
> gallon.  Funny you should also mention "taxes" since here in Illinois
we pay
> the highest gas tax in the nation between the state, county, and fed
it
> averages about 25 cents a gallon now.
>
> Just my 2 cents on this very HOT topic.
>
> Peg Pfeiffer



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 13 13:05:55 2004
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:05:55 -0500
Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn><41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>
	<41BD42D8.3070206@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <005d01c4e178$5b483340$6cd7f504@x8h7l9>

Steve,
The " Hall Effect transistor " is not a transistor. It  is a Hall Effect
sensor in an integrated circuit, hopefully a Hall Effect switch. It probably
looks like a transistor. I am thinking about using one to trigger a
Capacitance Discharge Ignition for my Stover CT2 until I can get the right
magneto.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Gray" <segray at mlode.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 2:20 AM
Subject: Re: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at


> Hi All -
>
>    Thanks to all for the comments!
>
> To Ron - To answer your questions about the Mery's ignition; yes, I am
> also using the Hall Effect transistor along with the solid state "buzz
> coil" driver and model high tension coil. This was the thing that
> probably gave me the most fits, and I ended up going back to my old
> career and oscilloscope, and redesigning some of the circuit. I really
> like the idea of the "pointless" ignition and the Hall transistor worked
> out great. The main problem was two fold: lack of dwell angle and the
> oscillator circuit not performing as advertised. In a nut shell, I
> nearly tripled the circuit's frequency while still trying to stay within
> the saturation specs of the coil. Doing this overcame the lack of dwell
> (on time) and literally was the difference between the engine running
> and not running. As for cooling, I'm doing nearly the same as you are.
> The little brass belt driven pump shown in the pictures is what I
> dreamed up to circulate the water from a custom 'tank'. The tin covered
> 'tool box' next to the engine contains the propane tank, regulator,
> valve and a battery switch for the ignition. The tank, box and engine
> platform will eventually bolt to an oak top with concealed wheels,
> handle and legs for moving and showing.
>
> To Marv - This is Mery # 223. I recently asked Roland Morrison, the
> kits' engineer, about how many of these he knows are running. He says
> he's aware of about 20 throughout the world that actually run now. I
> just recently coaxed the first person in Japan to buy a kit.
>
> To Judge Tommy - Having never gone to school for machining, I consider
> myself darn lucky to be able to do as well as I do. Thing with this
> stuff, you're ALWAYS learning!
>
> Again, thanks to all!
>
> - Steve
>
> -- 
> Steve Gray
> Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
> Sonora, California USA
> e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
> Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From segray at mlode.com  Mon Dec 13 22:44:52 2004
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:44:52 -0800
Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
In-Reply-To: <005d01c4e178$5b483340$6cd7f504@x8h7l9>
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn><41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>	<41BD42D8.3070206@mlode.com>
	<005d01c4e178$5b483340$6cd7f504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <41BE8BE4.3040903@mlode.com>

Hi Ed -

  Yeah, that's true. Being packaged in the TO-92 case fools a lot of 
people. We used Hall Effects for years in flow meters for the production 
control industry. I like the Hall's small size for being able to hide it 
so easily on these engines. Plus, nothing to wear out.

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



ED wrote:

>Steve,
>The " Hall Effect transistor " is not a transistor. It  is a Hall Effect
>sensor in an integrated circuit, hopefully a Hall Effect switch. It probably
>looks like a transistor. I am thinking about using one to trigger a
>Capacitance Discharge Ignition for my Stover CT2 until I can get the right
>magneto.
>
>Ed Stoller
>New Fairfield, CT
>
>
>  
>





From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 12 16:25:40 2004
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:25:40 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
	<41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <004901c4e0aa$46ea2a30$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>

WOW doesn't even begin to describe this model. Without your description one 
would not know it is not a full size engine. No size reference in the 
pictures, and great photography. Now that Steve has throwed this topic out 
here, let's keep it alive. Nuff on cell phones and gas prices for me.

I have been in contact with Reg regarding models, and it was off list. He 
gave me some great advice, but this topic really could be covered here. I 
think many have considered models, and I am one that has. Many questions 
though for those like me that have never built one.

I know some have great machine shops and can make pistons and such for full 
size engines. That's way out of my budget, and I don't have room for such an 
operation. How about models?

What does it take to make one. What size lathe, swing, etc. Will the 
combination lathe/mill in the GEM adds work for most of us. It could fit in 
my budget and workshop. Who make the best model castings/kits? Let er rip 
boys and girls!

Jeff Allen
PS been busy helping one of ours start his web site. I'll let him announce 
when ready.
PPS been busy shopping, wrapping, sending cards and such

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Gray" <segray at mlode.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 12:01 AM
Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at


> Hi All -
>
> Well, if the SEL is too quiet, I'll try to throw something here of 
> interest into the pot for (sort of) a change of scenery. After close to 
> 1000 hours of work, I've finished the Mery model. Just need a stand for it 
> now, a LOT of paint touch up and maybe a small added accessory later on. 
> Some rough pictures are at:
>
> http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/
>
> To give you an idea of it's size, a majority of the bolt heads are 5/32" 
> and the piping is either 3/16", 1/4". The intake manifold is 5/16", the 
> spark plug threads are 1/4-32. A lot of work, but a lot of fun! Enjoy....
>
> - Steve
>
> -- 
> Steve Gray
> Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
> Sonora, California USA
> e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
> Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com
>
>
>
> John Hammink wrote:
>
>>Is't true that the SEL is almost dead?
>>
>>John Hammink
>>Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
>>jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Tue Dec 14 01:56:17 2004
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cameron Grundy)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:56:17 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT Re Return
Message-ID: <004001c4e1c3$2969fa20$533454d2@cam>

Hi  I would Like to thank everyone who welcomed me back onto the List and as
before I'm sure I'll have an enjoyable time. Cam


Cam and Edwina Grundy
Kariong
Gosford   NSW
Australia




From brock at netspeed.com.au  Tue Dec 14 02:07:07 2004
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:07:07 +1100
Subject: [SEL] RETURN
References: <013401c4e00e$f09e80e0$113354d2@cam>
Message-ID: <003101c4e1c4$accad4b0$5f11fea9@merlin>

G,day Cam
 welcome back mate
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
To: "LISTMAIL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 4:53 PM
Subject: [SEL] RETURN


> Hi list members.
>                       Well I have finally finished work again after 13
> months ( not bad when I went back for 3 or 4 ) and I'm back to enjoy the
> list and it's friendly members   again and I can also get back to the
> engines  and start trotting off to the Shows again (no pressure to be home
> at a set time) Well I better get going and start reading. Catchya's Cam
> Cam and Edwina Grundy
> Kariong
> Gosford   NSW
> Australia
>
>
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>
> 




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 14 04:00:36 2004
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:00:36 +0000
Subject: [SEL] model engine
In-Reply-To: <004901c4e0aa$46ea2a30$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F5A7B80BEA09E8F74E7420C8AC0@phx.gbl>

Jeff,

If you need a piston for a model engine why not take one out of a Briggs and 
Stratton?  I'm currently attempting to make an engine and am using a piston 
and cylinder from a Volkswagon engine, crankshaft and gears from a Briggs, 
and a couple cast wheels for the flywheels. I'm just using junk that I have 
laying around.  All I have is a lathe and drill press.  Don't know if mine 
will end up running but it is fun making chips and scratching my head.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
========================

>From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
>Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:25:40 -0700
>
>WOW doesn't even begin to describe this model. Without your description one 
>would not know it is not a full size engine. No size reference in the 
>pictures, and great photography. Now that Steve has throwed this topic out 
>here, let's keep it alive. Nuff on cell phones and gas prices for me.
>
>I have been in contact with Reg regarding models, and it was off list. He 
>gave me some great advice, but this topic really could be covered here. I 
>think many have considered models, and I am one that has. Many questions 
>though for those like me that have never built one.
>
>I know some have great machine shops and can make pistons and such for full 
>size engines. That's way out of my budget, and I don't have room for such 
>an operation. How about models?
>
>What does it take to make one. What size lathe, swing, etc. Will the 
>combination lathe/mill in the GEM adds work for most of us. It could fit in 
>my budget and workshop. Who make the best model castings/kits? Let er rip 
>boys and girls!
>
>Jeff Allen
>PS been busy helping one of ours start his web site. I'll let him announce 
>when ready.
>PPS been busy shopping, wrapping, sending cards and such
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" <segray at mlode.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 12:01 AM
>Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
>
>
>>Hi All -
>>
>>Well, if the SEL is too quiet, I'll try to throw something here of 
>>interest into the pot for (sort of) a change of scenery. After close to 
>>1000 hours of work, I've finished the Mery model. Just need a stand for it 
>>now, a LOT of paint touch up and maybe a small added accessory later on. 
>>Some rough pictures are at:
>>
>>http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot/
>>
>>To give you an idea of it's size, a majority of the bolt heads are 5/32" 
>>and the piping is either 3/16", 1/4". The intake manifold is 5/16", the 
>>spark plug threads are 1/4-32. A lot of work, but a lot of fun! Enjoy....
>>
>>- Steve
>>
>>--
>>Steve Gray
>>Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
>>Sonora, California USA
>>e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
>>Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com
>>
>>
>>
>>John Hammink wrote:
>>
>>>Is't true that the SEL is almost dead?
>>>
>>>John Hammink
>>>Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
>>>jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Dec 14 05:19:40 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:19:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
In-Reply-To: <005d01c4e178$5b483340$6cd7f504@x8h7l9>
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn><41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>
	<41BD42D8.3070206@mlode.com> <005d01c4e178$5b483340$6cd7f504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <12265.165.206.180.118.1103030380.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

Ed, I suspect they are called "hall effect transistors" as that is how
they are generally used - as magnetic solid state switches, and since that
is all a transistor is in essence, the term "hall effect transistor".
True, the hall effect part is really a solid state sensor.
The most common application consists of of a Hall effect sensor, one or
more logic gates and a transistor used to switch the electric current.
So it's a solid state device that typically comes in a package with a
transistor and the whole thing acts like a transistor with the exception
that the "control" is magnetic field applied rather than a switching
voltage applied.
A common application is the digital Hall effect sensors - often used as
magnetically controlled switches - they turn on or off when the applied
magnetic field reaches a certain level. Hmmm, I see an application
here....

Bill

> Steve,
> The " Hall Effect transistor " is not a transistor. It  is a Hall Effect
> sensor in an integrated circuit, hopefully a Hall Effect switch. It
> probably
> looks like a transistor. I am thinking about using one to trigger a
> Capacitance Discharge Ignition for my Stover CT2 until I can get the right
> magneto.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Gray" <segray at mlode.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 2:20 AM
> Subject: Re: Was: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
>
>
>> Hi All -
>>
>>    Thanks to all for the comments!
>>
>> To Ron - To answer your questions about the Mery's ignition; yes, I am
>> also using the Hall Effect transistor along with the solid state "buzz
>> coil" driver and model high tension coil. This was the thing that
>> probably gave me the most fits, and I ended up going back to my old
>> career and oscilloscope, and redesigning some of the circuit. I really
>> like the idea of the "pointless" ignition and the Hall transistor worked
>> out great. The main problem was two fold: lack of dwell angle and the
>> oscillator circuit not performing as advertised. In a nut shell, I
>> nearly tripled the circuit's frequency while still trying to stay within
>> the saturation specs of the coil. Doing this overcame the lack of dwell
>> (on time) and literally was the difference between the engine running
>> and not running. As for cooling, I'm doing nearly the same as you are.
>> The little brass belt driven pump shown in the pictures is what I
>> dreamed up to circulate the water from a custom 'tank'. The tin covered
>> 'tool box' next to the engine contains the propane tank, regulator,
>> valve and a battery switch for the ignition. The tank, box and engine
>> platform will eventually bolt to an oak top with concealed wheels,
>> handle and legs for moving and showing.
>>
>> To Marv - This is Mery # 223. I recently asked Roland Morrison, the
>> kits' engineer, about how many of these he knows are running. He says
>> he's aware of about 20 throughout the world that actually run now. I
>> just recently coaxed the first person in Japan to buy a kit.
>>
>> To Judge Tommy - Having never gone to school for machining, I consider
>> myself darn lucky to be able to do as well as I do. Thing with this
>> stuff, you're ALWAYS learning!
>>
>> Again, thanks to all!
>>
>> - Steve
>>
>> --
>> Steve Gray
>> Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
>> Sonora, California USA
>> e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
>> Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com
>>
>>
>>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Dec 14 05:59:27 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:59:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] model engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F5A7B80BEA09E8F74E7420C8AC0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F5A7B80BEA09E8F74E7420C8AC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412140814180.19865@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Luke (and others considering model engines),

What facinates me about "model" engines are the clever ones that aren't
simply scaled-down casting sets based on real stationary engines.

Rather it's like the sculptor who, when asked how he created his
masterpieces, replied that he just chipped away everthing that didn't look
like (whatever it was that he had sculpted).

Leroy Clark has made some incredible Striggs & Bratton engines.  During
one long BS session with Leroy punctuated by the sweet pop of his engines,
I asked him what was involved in making one.  I happened to be admiring a
horizontal, open-crank, sideshaft at the time.  He turns to me and sez,
"Arn, you just start with a sad Briggs FH and a hacksaw, and cut away
everthing that doesn't look like a horizontal, open-crank, sideshaft
engine."  Then with that classic-Leroy twinkle in his eye he sez "Oh, and
maybe add a couple of hundred hours of lathe & mill work."  8-)))

But the end result is something VERY different.  Another example is the
gent (or gents) who setup at Baraboo and have a number of hit & miss
engines that they've built from nice old cast iron air compressors.  In
that case you very often have a nice-looking finned cylinder, open crank
(maybe even inverted geometry), crankshaft, rod, piston, and flywheel.
The boys at Baraboo put out a VERY impressive display.  I've also seen
nice looking flywheels that were originally heavy valve handles.

After the Asheville show I'm thinking REAL hard about building one of
those "Henry Ford's first engine" jobbies.  You've probably seen it; about
four feet long, built largly out of scrap and pipe fittings.  VERY cool!

Lots of interesting options out there in addition to casting sets.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> If you need a piston for a model engine why not take one out of a Briggs and
> Stratton?  I'm currently attempting to make an engine and am using a piston
> and cylinder from a Volkswagon engine, crankshaft and gears from a Briggs,
> and a couple cast wheels for the flywheels. I'm just using junk that I have
> laying around.  All I have is a lathe and drill press.  Don't know if mine
> will end up running but it is fun making chips and scratching my head.


From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us  Tue Dec 14 08:16:18 2004
From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:16:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fuel prices
Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A702F65895@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>


>>>It's in the mid $1.60's here on the Missouri side of our little
village.

>>>It has dropped like a stone ever since Nov. 2, makes me go ummmmm ???

>>>Ted Brookover
>>>Kansas City

Tenths aside, it is $1.70 on this side of town. There was a hiccup when
it went back up on Tuesday before Thanksgiving, but it ALWAYS pops up a
dime the Tuesday before a holiday. Always. Yeah, ultimately, in the long
run, and all that the market rules - but short-term, there are other
factors at play. Locally the big dog is Quik-Trip. What their sign says
is what every sign says. They change that sucker, at the same time at
all their stores, and within a couple hours every retailer in the zip
code is same-same.

Bruce Younger
Lenexa, Kansas USA
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Dec 14 03:22:09 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:22:09 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Is't true? Now something to look at
References: <000701c4dfd7$ea0b2c60$3e636854@Sixmjohn><41BBECBA.2070009@mlode.com>
	<004901c4e0aa$46ea2a30$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>
Message-ID: <000f01c4e228$356e3240$8f111bd3@athlon>

I am, and always have, been happy to advise on any model topic if I feel my
input will help.
My ideas dont match the purist mainstream a lot of the time though.
You ask and decide for yourself about the reply.
I have made well over a hundred models now. I must be learning something as
I go along.
The main thing I think I have learnt is to have the best machinery you
possibly can for your particular situation.
I get the comment, "Oh, Aint you LUCKY to have a workshop like this!"
To which I reply, "Yup, and the more I spend on it, the luckier I get!!"
You CAN make things with old, worn out , undersize machinery but,
It is a whole lot easier with good, well sized machines.
Ok, off the soapbox and away to bed!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
> I have been in contact with Reg regarding models, and it was off list. He
> gave me some great advice, but this topic really could be covered here. I
> think many have considered models, and I am one that has. Many questions
> though for those like me that have never built one.
>
> I know some have great machine shops and can make pistons and such for
full
> size engines. That's way out of my budget, and I don't have room for such
an
> operation. How about models?
>
> What does it take to make one. What size lathe, swing, etc. Will the
> combination lathe/mill in the GEM adds work for most of us. It could fit
in
> my budget and workshop. Who make the best model castings/kits? Let er rip
> boys and girls!



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 14 15:16:09 2004
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:16:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] SEL and GEM
In-Reply-To: <41BE1AF5.FE027427@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20041214231609.8447.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Helen,

I just got my latest GEM today.  I got several good
laughs out of what you chose to put in there. I also
liked your comment about the new engine that isn't
home yet.

Yes, This seems to be a slow time and as I opened the
magazine I wondered what you came up with for the
article and was pleased with what I found.  I was
going to write you and say THANKS. You do a great job
with it. I replied here instead.

THANKS,

Alan Bowen rustaholic777 at yahoo.com


--- Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Folks
> 
 As you know, I've been using discussions on this
 list to create a GEM
 column every month for about 5 1/2 years now, and as
 has recently been
 noted, there's not always a lot going on here.  It's
 been getting harder
 and harder to find a thread with enough discussion
 to use for an article
 and I feel that the quality is slipping.
 It may be that I'm getting jaded - I don't know. 
 But I do know that I'm
 not happy with what I'm producing and would like to
 ideally hand over to
 someone else.
 So ... if anyone would like to take over the job and
 do it with a fresh
 eye, I'm more than happy to hand over. 
 Alternatively, I'll suggest to
 Ritchie Backus that it becomes an occasional column,
 when there's
 something worth writing about.
 
 Dolly
 

 Jim French
 fbi at insulate.co.uk
 http://www.insulate.co.uk



		
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From Todengine at aol.com  Tue Dec 14 16:15:40 2004
From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:15:40 EST
Subject: [SEL] Dismantling the IR Steam Compressor Day 1
Message-ID: <e4.5e9cabb0.2ef0dc2c@aol.com>

Well wouldn't you know it the heavy snows finally came last night, and 
completely covered the compressor engine!  

The dismantling crew (myself and my wife Zara) arrived at the Park drop 
forging plant in Cleveland about 12:30 pm, and I started to work removing misc. 
small parts including the exhaust steam lines, lube lines and mechanical 
lubricators, piping etc.  I started to remove the throttle valve and governor but as 
usually happens one of the nuts stripped out, so more drastic measures will be 
taken on it later.  I also removed the nuts holding the air crossover pipe and 
the main bearing caps nuts.  By 2:30 pm I was frozen solid and we left the 
plant to head back home with a pickup load of steam engine goodies.

I'll be back at the plant tommorrow afternoon to continue the work.  I hope 
to be able to hijack a forlkift and operator for a few minutes to take off the 
air crossover pipe, and pull the flywheel and crankshaft out.  I also hope to 
crib up under the compressor end of the main bedplate to support that end so I 
can remove the air lines underneath the compressor cylinders, and to get the 
compressor cylinders themselves ready to pull off.

Assuming things go according to plan tommorrow I'll be back on Friday to move 
more parts to Youngstown.  

As I was packing up to leave one of the maintenance men was getting into his 
car and mantioned that "someone from the Smithsonian had looked at the 
compressor at one time". If I had a dollar for each time I have heard that phrase 
when it comes to old machinery I would be rich by now!  He also said that it was 
a good running machine and worked when they stopped using it.  If that is so 
then why are one set of eccentric rods disconnected and tied up out oif the way 
and the packing glands on the valve rods missing?  I think it was running on 
one cylinder at the end of its career.  I just hope I don't find any major 
problems inside.  But if so, heck I work at a foundry and we have a lathe and 
milling machine so there isn't anything we couldn't remake! 

More phjotos of todays work are online at 
http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark
William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
Youngstown, OH
www.todengine.org


From pnmnw at allvantage.com  Tue Dec 14 16:48:55 2004
From: pnmnw at allvantage.com (Peter)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:48:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] rigging engine: thanks
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20041214193933.00c05eb0@pop3.allvantage.com>

Thanks, George A. and Richard S. for the lifting beam tip.  I think I'll go 
there.  I would have preferred Dave R's vehicle lift or ten-yard loader or 
pair of cranes, but damned if I have the storage space for them.

Peter Wagner
Barnet, VT
USA

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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Dec 14 19:08:54 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:08:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SEL and GEM
In-Reply-To: <20041214231609.8447.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <41BE1AF5.FE027427@insulate.co.uk>
	<20041214231609.8447.qmail@web61308.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041214220616.024c9a90@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Dolly,
         Alan is right! And besides doing a GREAT job with the GEM monthly 
piece, you have a GREAT a.......OH, never mind, but keep up the good work!
         Dave
PS, See you in Portland!

At 06:16 PM 12/14/2004, you wrote:
>Hi Helen,
>
>I just got my latest GEM today.  I got several good
>laughs out of what you chose to put in there. I also
>liked your comment about the new engine that isn't
>home yet.
>
>Yes, This seems to be a slow time and as I opened the
>magazine I wondered what you came up with for the
>article and was pleased with what I found.  I was
>going to write you and say THANKS. You do a great job
>with it. I replied here instead.
>
>THANKS,
>
>Alan Bowen rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
>
>
>--- Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Folks
> >
>  As you know, I've been using discussions on this
>  list to create a GEM
>  column every month for about 5 1/2 years now, and as
>  has recently been
>  noted, there's not always a lot going on here.  It's
>  been getting harder
>  and harder to find a thread with enough discussion
>  to use for an article
>  and I feel that the quality is slipping.
>  It may be that I'm getting jaded - I don't know.
>  But I do know that I'm
>  not happy with what I'm producing and would like to
>  ideally hand over to
>  someone else.
>  So ... if anyone would like to take over the job and
>  do it with a fresh
>  eye, I'm more than happy to hand over.
>  Alternatively, I'll suggest to
>  Ritchie Backus that it becomes an occasional column,
>  when there's
>  something worth writing about.
>
>  Dolly
>
>
>  Jim French
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>
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From skipl at montana.com  Tue Dec 14 20:06:28 2004
From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:06:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT gasoline price?Oil company view
References: <BAY4-F8A545755C4431C526CE35E7AB0@phx.gbl>
	<00b601c4e194$9c0502c0$185c14d0@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <41BFB843.61494B8C@montana.com>

montana it's $.58.7 cents a gallon.

"Steve W." wrote:

> Peg,
>
>     Not sure you folks pay the highest tax on gas any more. In NY we pay
> closer to 47 cents per gallon with the Federal, State, County,
> Environmental fee, Gas station pump surcharge.
>
> Steve Williams
> Near Cooperstown NY
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 2:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT gasoline price?Oil company view
>
> > Bill's Dad owned a Standard gas station for 20 years and I worked for
> Union
> > Oil for 5 years, so I guess you could say I have an "insiders view".
> >
> > In the mid 1970's here in the US there was a "gas shortage" (Ha, ha,
> ha)
> > before the "shortage" gas was about 53 cents a gallon for preium after
> words
> > it went up to 70 and 75 cents a gallon.  But BIG suprise there was no
> real
> > shortage, the oil companies had plenty of gas they just decided to
> raise the
> > prices and felt that if they just did it the public would have a hissy
> fit.
> > So they with held the gas (stored it in places like Biesterfield Ohio
> and
> > Rumsfield Michigan 2 former refineries for Union Oil), and bang zoom
> up went
> > the prices.
> >
> > Peter funny you mention the politions NOT mentioning the fuel prices
> during
> > an election, Bush and Kerry didn't mention them here either.  Some how
> I
> > feel Daddy Bush might have had something to do with that, Texas and
> Oil
> > Money and all of that.
> >
> > When I worked at Union they used to post the daily "wholesale" price
> of the
> > gas, so we knew how much to figure the different state and federal
> taxes on
> > (I worked in the corporate tax department), the average daily price
> was
> > around 45 to 65 cents a gallon when the pump price was 80 to 95 cents
> a
> > gallon.  Funny you should also mention "taxes" since here in Illinois
> we pay
> > the highest gas tax in the nation between the state, county, and fed
> it
> > averages about 25 cents a gallon now.
> >
> > Just my 2 cents on this very HOT topic.
> >
> > Peg Pfeiffer
>
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 14 20:23:20 2004
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:23:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] model engine
References: <BAY103-F5A7B80BEA09E8F74E7420C8AC0@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0412140814180.19865@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <003401c4e25d$cf700f00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>

Hi Arnie, Luke, and list,

You both made some good points. I've seen compressors turned into engines in 
GEM, and never gave a thought to the stuff you brought up. I keep seeing the 
way cool models list member post from kits, but there is more to it than 
that.

I've been following the four part series in GEM,  and this month (Jan) he 
covered the head. Not more than a chunk of cast iron with directions. Way 
over my abilities, and couldn't or wouldn't spend that much on equipement. 
Are they all this hard. That head could be made from scrap without much more 
work and a set of plans.

Maybe one day I'll just buy one from Reg. The way the Sattley is kicking my 
behind, I sure don't need something else to join it. Still an interesting 
topic.

"Arn, you just start with a sad Briggs FH and a hacksaw, and cut away
> everthing that doesn't look like a horizontal, open-crank, sideshaft
> engine."

More than one way to go about it from what I am hearing so far.

Jeff Allen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] model engine


> Hi Luke (and others considering model engines),
>
> What facinates me about "model" engines are the clever ones that aren't
> simply scaled-down casting sets based on real stationary engines.
>
> Rather it's like the sculptor who, when asked how he created his
> masterpieces, replied that he just chipped away everthing that didn't look
> like (whatever it was that he had sculpted).
>
> Leroy Clark has made some incredible Striggs & Bratton engines.  During
> one long BS session with Leroy punctuated by the sweet pop of his engines,
> I asked him what was involved in making one.  I happened to be admiring a
> horizontal, open-crank, sideshaft at the time.  He turns to me and sez,
> "Arn, you just start with a sad Briggs FH and a hacksaw, and cut away
> everthing that doesn't look like a horizontal, open-crank, sideshaft
> engine."  Then with that classic-Leroy twinkle in his eye he sez "Oh, and
> maybe add a couple of hundred hours of lathe & mill work."  8-)))
>
> But the end result is something VERY different.  Another example is the
> gent (or gents) who setup at Baraboo and have a number of hit & miss
> engines that they've built from nice old cast iron air compressors.  In
> that case you very often have a nice-looking finned cylinder, open crank
> (maybe even inverted geometry), crankshaft, rod, piston, and flywheel.
> The boys at Baraboo put out a VERY impressive display.  I've also seen
> nice looking flywheels that were originally heavy valve handles.
>
> After the Asheville show I'm thinking REAL hard about building one of
> those "Henry Ford's first engine" jobbies.  You've probably seen it; about
> four feet long, built largly out of scrap and pipe fittings.  VERY cool!
>
> Lots of interesting options out there in addition to casting sets.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Luke Tonneberger wrote:
>
>> If you need a piston for a model engine why not take one out of a Briggs 
>> and
>> Stratton?  I'm currently attempting to make an engine and am using a 
>> piston
>> and cylinder from a Volkswagon engine, crankshaft and gears from a 
>> Briggs,
>> and a couple cast wheels for the flywheels. I'm just using junk that I 
>> have
>> laying around.  All I have is a lathe and drill press.  Don't know if 
>> mine
>> will end up running but it is fun making chips and scratching my head.
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Dec 15 05:38:51 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 06:38:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Dismantling the IR Steam Compressor Day 1
References: <e4.5e9cabb0.2ef0dc2c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV5F7CF59C71647A1B0F442BBAD0@phx.gbl>

Zara...Rick needs a propane fired space heater (torpedo) for Christmas! 
Tough to work in those conditions.  One doesn't take/have the time to clean 
the threads and such.
  Congrats to you both and we're rootin' for ya.

RickinMt.







----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Todengine at aol.com>
To: <relisses at gmpexpress.net>; <Stationary_Steam_Engines at yahoogroups.com>; 
<steam_lizards at yahoogroups.com>; <steam-engine at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
<TodEngine at yahoogroups.com>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 5:15 PM
Subject: [SEL] Dismantling the IR Steam Compressor Day 1


> Well wouldn't you know it the heavy snows finally came last night, and
> completely covered the compressor engine!
>
> The dismantling crew (myself and my wife Zara) arrived at the Park drop
> forging plant in Cleveland about 12:30 pm, and I started to work removing 
> misc.
> small parts including the exhaust steam lines, lube lines and mechanical
> lubricators, piping etc.  I started to remove the throttle valve and 
> governor but as
> usually happens one of the nuts stripped out, so more drastic measures 
> will be
> taken on it later.  I also removed the nuts holding the air crossover pipe 
> and
> the main bearing caps nuts.  By 2:30 pm I was frozen solid and we left the
> plant to head back home with a pickup load of steam engine goodies.
>
> I'll be back at the plant tommorrow afternoon to continue the work.  I 
> hope
> to be able to hijack a forlkift and operator for a few minutes to take off 
> the
> air crossover pipe, and pull the flywheel and crankshaft out.  I also hope 
> to
> crib up under the compressor end of the main bedplate to support that end 
> so I
> can remove the air lines underneath the compressor cylinders, and to get 
> the
> compressor cylinders themselves ready to pull off.
>
> Assuming things go according to plan tommorrow I'll be back on Friday to 
> move
> more parts to Youngstown.
>
> As I was packing up to leave one of the maintenance men was getting into 
> his
> car and mantioned that "someone from the Smithsonian had looked at the
> compressor at one time". If I had a dollar for each time I have heard that 
> phrase
> when it comes to old machinery I would be rich by now!  He also said that 
> it was
> a good running machine and worked when they stopped using it.  If that is 
> so
> then why are one set of eccentric rods disconnected and tied up out oif 
> the way
> and the packing glands on the valve rods missing?  I think it was running 
> on
> one cylinder at the end of its career.  I just hope I don't find any major
> problems inside.  But if so, heck I work at a foundry and we have a lathe 
> and
> milling machine so there isn't anything we couldn't remake!
>
> More phjotos of todays work are online at
> http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Executive Director
> Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark
> William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
> Youngstown, OH
> www.todengine.org
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From Vivas1993 at aol.com  Wed Dec 15 05:46:37 2004
From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:46:37 EST
Subject: [SEL] National gas engine
Message-ID: <12c.5327eb8b.2ef19a3d@aol.com>

Hi folks,
 I'm trying to find some info. on a National Gas Engine, made in the UK. 
 It has a 6 1/2 x 12" bore & stroke, 43"flywheels, & a serial # in the 13000 
range. 
 This engine has a sparkplug right now, but I'm guessing it use to have hot 
tube ignition. Any help will be appreciated, as I'm thinking of buying this 
engine.
 Thanks,
 Dwight Vivas
 Matoaca, VA.


From Todengine at aol.com  Wed Dec 15 06:00:29 2004
From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:00:29 EST
Subject: [SEL] Dismantling the IR Steam Compressor Day 1
Message-ID: <1da.31cb8c7f.2ef19d7d@aol.com>

I already got my christmas gifts, she let me order every book out of the 
Lindsay catalog that I wanted!  So can't ask for more this year. :-(   I do have a 
torpedo heater but no electric up there to tap into.  But I do have one of 
those heaters that screw right into a propane bottle.  Better than nothing. 

Zara insists on accompanying me on my trips up to dismantle the engine.  She 
has sort of adopted it, and she'll be doing alot of the cosmetic restoration 
work on it.  A family that restores engines together stays together. 

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Steam Engine Historic Landmark
William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
Youngstown, OH
www.todengine.org


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Wed Dec 15 06:40:11 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:40:11 +0100
Subject: [SEL] National gas engine
References: <12c.5327eb8b.2ef19a3d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000501c4e2b3$fb3340c0$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

Hi Dwight,
     Paul Evans from the Internal Fire Museum has at least
20 different National manuals, they can be downloaded
for a little fee.
The address is:
http://www.internalfire.com/index.php

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web




> Hi folks,
>  I'm trying to find some info. on a National Gas Engine, made in the UK. 
>  It has a 6 1/2 x 12" bore & stroke, 43"flywheels, & a serial # in the 13000 
> range. 
>  This engine has a sparkplug right now, but I'm guessing it use to have hot 
> tube ignition. Any help will be appreciated, as I'm thinking of buying this 
> engine.
>  Thanks,
>  Dwight Vivas
>  Matoaca, VA.
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From Todengine at aol.com  Wed Dec 15 09:39:01 2004
From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:39:01 EST
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Progress Report
Message-ID: <1e0.314e55dc.2ef1d0b5@aol.com>

Here are a few things going on here aside from the IR air compressor project.

Engine display building- Architectural plans are complete, building permit 
has been issued.  The building will be equipped with a 3 ton overhead crane 
which will be able to service the entire Tod Engine.  The crane itself will be 
built in house, and to that end we have made arrangements to purchase a used 
double girder overhead crane.  This crane will have to be lengthened to 30' by 
replacing the shorter I beams with longer ones. We have acquired a newer P&H 
chain hoist and trolley, and thanks to P&H downloaded a manual for it so we can 
wire it up correctly.

We also have tentatively purchased an Allis Chalmers front end loader for 
$700.  I think that is well under its scrap value!   Its operational although it 
has one flat tire and a tie rod between the two steering tires is broke in 
three pieces.  This will be our first real piece of heavy equipment, and will be 
a great help in museum construction.   I say tentatively because I am working 
through a third party to buy it, and anymore I don't really consider things a 
done deal until the item is loaded on my truck and headed down the road.

For the next two weeks we are going to Washington D.C. for vacation visiting 
relatives.  While gone I would like to get a day or two of research done on 
stationary steam engines and steelmaking.  A trip to the Smithsonian is planned. 
 Anyone have any "must see" things to do while I'm in that area?

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Heritage Park
William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
Youngstown, OH
www.todengine.org


From markshattuck at ntelos.net  Wed Dec 15 14:19:02 2004
From: markshattuck at ntelos.net (Mark L Shattuck)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:19:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Progress Report
In-Reply-To: <1e0.314e55dc.2ef1d0b5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200412152219.iBFMJ7a20448@mailrtr02.ntelos.net>

Rick take the bus from the air & space museum to the new air&space at Dulles
the trip fare is about $7:50 a person up & back 
                                       Mark L Shattuck
                                       Waynesboro VA 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Todengine at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:39 PM
To: TodEngine at yahoogroups.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Progress Report

Here are a few things going on here aside from the IR air compressor
project.

Engine display building- Architectural plans are complete, building permit 
has been issued.  The building will be equipped with a 3 ton overhead crane 
which will be able to service the entire Tod Engine.  The crane itself will
be 
built in house, and to that end we have made arrangements to purchase a used

double girder overhead crane.  This crane will have to be lengthened to 30'
by 
replacing the shorter I beams with longer ones. We have acquired a newer P&H

chain hoist and trolley, and thanks to P&H downloaded a manual for it so we
can 
wire it up correctly.

We also have tentatively purchased an Allis Chalmers front end loader for 
$700.  I think that is well under its scrap value!   Its operational
although it 
has one flat tire and a tie rod between the two steering tires is broke in 
three pieces.  This will be our first real piece of heavy equipment, and
will be 
a great help in museum construction.   I say tentatively because I am
working 
through a third party to buy it, and anymore I don't really consider things
a 
done deal until the item is loaded on my truck and headed down the road.

For the next two weeks we are going to Washington D.C. for vacation visiting

relatives.  While gone I would like to get a day or two of research done on 
stationary steam engines and steelmaking.  A trip to the Smithsonian is
planned. 
 Anyone have any "must see" things to do while I'm in that area?

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Heritage Park
William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
Youngstown, OH
www.todengine.org
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Dec 15 17:55:00 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:55:00 EST
Subject: [SEL] International LB Timing
Message-ID: <1ca.2db1288c.2ef244f4@aol.com>

Hi List,
Yes, I removed the magneto from one of my newly acquired  International LB 
without properly checking the alignment of the magneto  shaft to the crankshaft 
rotation.
What is the proper method to time the International LB magneto  to the 
engine?  There is a marked tooth on the magneto.   There doesn't seem to be a 
corresponding mark on the cam gear.  When the  "DC" mark (compression stroke) on the 
flywheel is aligned with the mark on  the engine, the cam output shaft key 
way is also aligned to the same engine  mark.  With this condition, what is the 
correct position of the magneto  gear or point cam?
By the way, after replacing the capacitor and cleaning/adjusting  the points, 
the magneto does produce a nice blue spark.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria,  California



From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Dec 15 19:40:22 2004
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 03:40:22 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Progress Report
In-Reply-To: <1e0.314e55dc.2ef1d0b5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20041216034022.31480.qmail@web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi Rick

Your enthusiasm and level of enegy leaves me astounded!  I would love to see the finished project
if ever I can get across your way.

 --- Todengine at aol.com wrote: 
> Here are a few things going on here aside from the IR air compressor project.

>  Anyone have any "must see" things to do while I'm in that area?

When you are in the Smithsonian, would mind casually asking if they have any information on the
Atkinson Cycle engine?  Pictures in particular would be useful.  Many thnaks in advance.

Enjoy your vacation and make sure it is a vacation, not an excuse to do work in another location!

Regards

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea


		
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Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! Messenger 
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From pcgray at zoominternet.net  Thu Dec 16 03:42:19 2004
From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 06:42:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Smithsonian stuff
Message-ID: <8AB2B94B-4F57-11D9-A2E0-000A9574E7BA@zoominternet.net>

Rick- By all means you'll be amazed at the stuff in the Smithsonian. 
They have lots of  EARLY steamers, Atkinson-cycle and Brayton-cycle 
engines. The only other Brayton cycle I have seen was in the Great 
Falls Museum in Patterson, NJ . I was at the Smithsonian about 2 years 
ago and I believe they were revamping the engine display.

If you are going to do research there, be sure to arrange it in 
advance. If they know you are coming and that you are associated with a 
museum, I think they'll treat you right. There is a nice lunch to be 
had at the Chapel next to the old museum building on the west-central 
end of the grounds for reasonable $$$. I think it is open to the public 
now.

Also take the metro to either Rosslyn or Dupont circle. There are two 
of the largest escalators I have ever seen there; something like 300' 
long- scary for us acrophobics.

Paul



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Dec 16 05:04:23 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:04:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Smithsonian stuff
In-Reply-To: <8AB2B94B-4F57-11D9-A2E0-000A9574E7BA@zoominternet.net>
References: <8AB2B94B-4F57-11D9-A2E0-000A9574E7BA@zoominternet.net>
Message-ID: <41C187D7.9010003@scrtc.com>

Paul,

They haven't revamped the engine display but did rework some of the 
exhibits next door to it.  There is some very neat stuff to see there 
for sure.  The real disappointment that I have with the Smithsonian is 
that the former Centennial Exposition building has been completely 
changed.  Until about 6 years ago it contained a lot of neat items that 
were indicitive of the Centennial Exposition of 1876.  There were a 
couple of atmospheric engines, a couple of slide valve horizontals, all 
kinds of machine tools, etc.  The kind of stuff that would catch most of 
our interests.  I understand that a portion of it has been moved to 
another location (possibly Steamtown in PA?).  Nevertheless, the advice 
you give Rick is right on track.  A day (or two or three) to the 
Smithsonian is certainly worth the trip.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky





Paul + Colleen Gray wrote:

> Rick- By all means you'll be amazed at the stuff in the Smithsonian. 
> They have lots of  EARLY steamers, Atkinson-cycle and Brayton-cycle 
> engines. The only other Brayton cycle I have seen was in the Great Falls 
> Museum in Patterson, NJ . I was at the Smithsonian about 2 years ago and 
> I believe they were revamping the engine display.
> 
> If you are going to do research there, be sure to arrange it in advance. 
> If they know you are coming and that you are associated with a museum, I 
> think they'll treat you right. There is a nice lunch to be had at the 
> Chapel next to the old museum building on the west-central end of the 
> grounds for reasonable $$$. I think it is open to the public now.
> 
> Also take the metro to either Rosslyn or Dupont circle. There are two of 
> the largest escalators I have ever seen there; something like 300' long- 
> scary for us acrophobics.
> 
> Paul
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Dec 16 06:24:06 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:24:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] IHC "M"
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV3306AFD18F3DF09568B3DEBBAE0@phx.gbl>

  Howdy all and happy holidays to ya'll.

 Well Cork's 1 1/2 M is completely disassembled and finally the sleeve gave 
in and came out nicely.  I'll post some pictures of the removal when I get 
them uploaded.

  My priority is organizing the shed, a long overdue process and amazing how 
much stuff crawled in there over the last few years.  I do that for a while 
then sneak over to the "M" and play with it for a while.

  We were also given a vertical coke bottle style 10 hp Wachs stationary 
steam engine and that is also disassembled and in the electrolysis 
tank....well let's say dumpster.  The electrolysis really takes the many 
coats of paint off in just a matter of days, and that's all I got as tuesday 
the garbage truck comes again.  Cork is now hauling the garbage for me. 
Kathy hasn't noticed yet:-)

  Watched the movie "Red Headed Stranger" with Willy Nelson the other day. 
When he's digging the well there's a pretty good sized horizontal on trucks 
in the background.

  Also Cork gave me a vhs from the outdoor channel where a guy and his wife 
go up to Alaska exploring an old silver mine.  Lots of iron there...nice 
vertical Novo directly coupled to ? , a big old field Superior horizontal 
lookin' engine that looks like it was belted up to a compressor and possibly 
some steam.  Pretty cool documentary!!

  We sure could use the paint code for the "M"..hopefully an automotive 3 
pak paint.

Take care
RickinMt.


http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 


From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Dec 16 09:02:03 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:02:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Arden pictures.
Message-ID: <41C1BF8B.3050305@imc-group.com>

Hey SEL,
Things ARE slow at the moment aren't they! Seems a bit of cabin fever 
has set in at least in the northern hemisphere.
Here are some photos from the Arden show in late October I put up yesterday.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Asheville2004/Thumbnails.html

I didn't take the time to put any captions/text with them so you'll just 
have to scroll thru them.

Of interest are:
-Peter Lowe, if you are still on the SEL there is another R&V and s/n 
for your list.
-An Aussie spoke of an Armstrong a while back. There are several 
pictures and closeups of the unusual oval cam gear. There is also a 
letter from the Armstrong factory.
-Towards the bottom of the pictures are pictures of the SEL crowd that 
was there. No doubt that was a fine collection of engines in a 
concentrated area! There is even a Reggie engine there.

Hope you enjoy and maybe this will spark some engine discussion.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Thu Dec 16 09:26:54 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:26:54 +0100
Subject: [SEL] IHC "M"
References: <BAY3-DAV3306AFD18F3DF09568B3DEBBAE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000501c4e394$706a5be0$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

You're really bussy Rick, playing engines and even watching movies :o)
Did you found anything under the sleeve? The last time I pulled a sleeve 
out I found a # 12 colt chissel at the bottom.
About the paint codes, I have for you DuPont Adirondack Green 84155,
Dit Gross 40496 or Rustoleum Hunter Green. Don't know what quality it's.

Merry Cristmas to you and Cork,

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web




>  Well Cork's 1 1/2 M is completely disassembled and finally the sleeve gave 
> in and came out nicely.  I'll post some pictures of the removal when I get 
> them uploaded.
> 
>   We sure could use the paint code for the "M"..hopefully an automotive 3 
> pak paint.
> 
> Take care
> RickinMt.




From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Thu Dec 16 12:56:18 2004
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:56:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] SEL International Charity auction calendar
In-Reply-To: <41C1BF8B.3050305@imc-group.com>
References: <41C1BF8B.3050305@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20041216144640.0365c598@mail.herculesengines.com>

Well I'm late getting the 2005 calender going.  But, if you would go 
through your photos taken this summer and send me your best shots, I'll try 
to put together another calendar for the charity auction.  Send them to me 
at kkinney at herculesengines.com.
Thanks.
Keith 




From rexhinz at chorus.net  Thu Dec 16 13:53:09 2004
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:53:09 -0600
Subject: [SEL] International LB Timing
References: <1ca.2db1288c.2ef244f4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000701c4e3b9$a431d280$4a86a5d8@mycomputer>

Francis;

If its the same as a LA both the gear on the camshaft and the mag have marks
, anyway my 1-1/2 HP LA does , and you have a little adjustment on the mag
as it turns some with the mount bolts loose . maybe someone has the gear on
the cam on backwards and the mark is on the inside, Just a thought

Rex Hinz
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 7:55 PM
Subject: [SEL] International LB Timing


> Hi List,
> Yes, I removed the magneto from one of my newly acquired  International LB
> without properly checking the alignment of the magneto  shaft to the
crankshaft
> rotation.
> What is the proper method to time the International LB magneto  to the
> engine?  There is a marked tooth on the magneto.   There doesn't seem to
be a
> corresponding mark on the cam gear.  When the  "DC" mark (compression
stroke) on the
> flywheel is aligned with the mark on  the engine, the cam output shaft key
> way is also aligned to the same engine  mark.  With this condition, what
is the
> correct position of the magneto  gear or point cam?
> By the way, after replacing the capacitor and cleaning/adjusting  the
points,
> the magneto does produce a nice blue spark.
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria,  California
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Thu Dec 16 14:09:17 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:09:17 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Arden pictures.
References: <41C1BF8B.3050305@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c4e3bb$e2e9f730$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

Alot of interesting engines there Curt, even that lobster cooking
Lorenz. I like that beautiful restored Friend engine.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl


> Hey SEL,
> Things ARE slow at the moment aren't they! Seems a bit of cabin fever 
> has set in at least in the northern hemisphere.
> Here are some photos from the Arden show in late October I put up yesterday.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Asheville2004/Thumbnails.html
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Dec 16 17:20:15 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:20:15 EST
Subject: [SEL] International LB Timing
Message-ID: <129.52723830.2ef38e4f@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/16/2004 5:06:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
rexhinz at chorus.net writes:


If  its the same as a LA both the gear on the camshaft and the mag have marks
,  anyway my 1-1/2 HP LA does , and you have a little adjustment on the mag
as  it turns some with the mount bolts loose . maybe someone has the gear  on
the cam on backwards and the mark is on the inside, Just a  thought



I was able to get the mag timed today.  Thanks for all  the help.  I didn't 
realize that the LB magneto fires on both the  compression and exhaust stroke 
at top dead center.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria,  California



From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Dec 14 11:26:27 2004
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:26:27 -0000
Subject: [SEL] International shipping
References: <20041212213741.185.qmail@web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c4e212$d02d1280$b19de150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

    The heavy bits were transported to New York where they were crated and
shiped from, a manifest was supplied by the shipping agent as regards the
contents and value etc .Import duty had to be paid on entry to the uk as
they cleared customs, no problems were  encountered with customs.

        See you later Craig
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Everett" <deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] International shipping


> Hi Craig
>
> How did you get the heavy bits across the water?  Any problems with
Customs?
>
> Regards
>
> Dave
> Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea
>
>
>  --- craig morrison <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >         I have just spent the day unpacking and playing with my new toys
that I bought when
> > visiting Portland in august.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Dec 17 06:03:17 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:03:17 -0700
Subject: [SEL] IHC "M"
References: <BAY3-DAV3306AFD18F3DF09568B3DEBBAE0@phx.gbl>
	<000501c4e394$706a5be0$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV326AA5BB9C439DD636B325BBAF0@phx.gbl>

Appreciate the paint codes and all the other info, John.

The last few pictures on this album show the removal.  Even after days in 
the electrolysis tank and high pressure hose, there was still a lot of rust 
under the sleeve, but nothing exciting showed up.  It took ~ 3 days for the 
sleeve to finally give in.

http://community.webshots.com/album/195231503TxJFzI/2

Necessity is the mother of invention and the dumpster works excellent for 
electrolysis.  In this case 3 or more coats of heavy paint are being 
removed:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/188300547/233361428LtpHZp

Thanks again and Happy Holidays to you, yours and the SEL!!

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC "M"


> You're really bussy Rick, playing engines and even watching movies :o)
> Did you found anything under the sleeve? The last time I pulled a sleeve
> out I found a # 12 colt chissel at the bottom.
> About the paint codes, I have for you DuPont Adirondack Green 84155,
> Dit Gross 40496 or Rustoleum Hunter Green. Don't know what quality it's.
>
> Merry Cristmas to you and Cork,
>
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
>
>
>
>
> >  Well Cork's 1 1/2 M is completely disassembled and finally the sleeve 
> > gave
> > in and came out nicely.  I'll post some pictures of the removal when I 
> > get
> > them uploaded.
> >
> >   We sure could use the paint code for the "M"..hopefully an automotive 
> > 3
> > pak paint.
> >
> > Take care
> > RickinMt.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Dec 17 07:09:09 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:09:09 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Arden pictures.
References: <41C1BF8B.3050305@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV3308B5B629AE0B098F52CDBBAF0@phx.gbl>

SEL is sure slow on this end also, Curt.  Must be out shoppin'.  Well thanks 
for posting the pix's!!!  Does the washer in the "J" mixer seem to be 
working?  "Eco" has been runnin' slow for about a year now and wants to quit 
after about 20 minutes of runnin'.  I put the OEM spring back in the gov and 
it sure blew sparks and carbon...still does.  I think I'll keep her fast for 
a while and see it she clear up.

Later,
RickinMt.




> Hey SEL,
> Things ARE slow at the moment aren't they! Seems a bit of cabin fever
> has set in at least in the northern hemisphere.
> Here are some photos from the Arden show in late October I put up 
> yesterday.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Asheville2004/Thumbnails.html 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Dec 17 07:14:34 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:14:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Arden show
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV6EBA6303BBF409E3969EEBBAF0@phx.gbl>

Sorry should have posted the picture of the Herc with washer in the j mixer;

http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Asheville2004/PA230010.html

RickinMt.


From EnginePaul at aol.com  Fri Dec 17 07:26:19 2004
From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:26:19 EST
Subject: [SEL] IHC "M"
Message-ID: <53.1d361a5a.2ef4549b@aol.com>

Necessity is the mother of invention and the dumpster works excellent for 
electrolysis.  In this case 3 or more coats of heavy paint are being 
removed:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/188300547/233361428LtpHZp

Well, those things are for recycling anyway; aren't they?


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Dec 17 07:38:11 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:38:11 -0700
Subject: [SEL] IHC "M"
References: <53.1d361a5a.2ef4549b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV2812E04C9DEF404AA4E14DBBAF0@phx.gbl>

Naw, but I like your way of thinkin'

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <EnginePaul at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC "M"


> Necessity is the mother of invention and the dumpster works excellent for
> electrolysis.  In this case 3 or more coats of heavy paint are being
> removed:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/188300547/233361428LtpHZp
>
> Well, those things are for recycling anyway; aren't they?
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Dec 17 07:31:01 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:31:01 EST
Subject: [SEL] Babbitt
Message-ID: <d9.1c0560c4.2ef455b5@aol.com>

 
Hi List,
For those members who need babbitt, there are three bars  available on eBay.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,  California




From Todengine at aol.com  Fri Dec 17 06:54:46 2004
From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:54:46 EST
Subject: [SEL] IR Imperial Compressor Update & Christmas Greetings from the
	Tod Engine
Message-ID: <19d.2cec77e0.2ef44d36@aol.com>

I've cancelled today's work session in Cleveland as the demolition activities 
at the plant has made space cramped around the compressor and I didn't want 
to be in their way.  It will be safe until I return from Vacation after the 
first of the year and I'll start working on it again.

When I get up there again I intend to remove the air cylinders and 
crankshaft/flywheel and transport those pieces during one trip, then return to haul out 
the main casting.  That main casting will be the heaviest part and I am hoping 
that the Ford superduty flatbed can handle it.  We may have to lift it with a 
pair of I beams and cribbing to get it loaded but that isn't something that 
we haven't done before.  

David Hill from Park Ohio mentioned that he recieved a package of 
documentation from Ingersoll Rand about the compressor, which will aid in our restoration 
of the engine. 

Have a Merry Christmas everyone.  Go to our webshots page at 
http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine and look at our Christmas Card 
to all of our supporters.  2004 has been a momentus year for the Tod Engine 
Foundation.  During the past year we moved 239,000 lbs. worth of engine parts to 
the site, leased the Tod Engine restoration shop, hired an architect and 
obtained the building permit for the engine display building, acquired the IR 
Imperial compressor and a front end loader.  We will build upon this years 
successes in 2005 when we successfully move the remaining engine parts to the site and 
erect the display building, put in our front parking area and construct the 
on site office.  

Take Care!  

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Heritage Park
William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
Youngstown, OH
www.todengine.org


From driggars at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 17 10:34:32 2004
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:34:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Babbitt
References: <d9.1c0560c4.2ef455b5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <016401c4e467$0da50720$a5458304@clinton>

What is the link to the auction?

Clint



>
> Hi List,
> For those members who need babbitt, there are three bars  available on
eBay.
>
> Francis Maciel
> Santa Maria,  California
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Dec 17 16:43:37 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:43:37 -0800
Subject: [SEL] IH LA valve cover on Ebay
Message-ID: <20041217.164338.276.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  Anyone need a valve cover for an International LA?

ttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=38602507
04&rd=1

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Dec 17 18:54:18 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:54:18 EST
Subject: [SEL] Babbitt
Message-ID: <d6.1c29ce46.2ef4f5da@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/17/2004 10:38:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
driggars at earthlink.net writes:

What is  the link to the auction?
Here are several links.
 
 

_eBay  item 3860978493 (Ends Dec-22-04 12:04:18 PST) - BABBITT 4.00 LB 
BAR,STEAM ENGINE  BEARINGS ETC_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=29402&item=3860978493&rd=1)  
 
_eBay  item 3860978680 (Ends Dec-22-04 12:05:03 PST) - BABBITT 5.00 LB 
BAR,STEAM ENGINE  BEARINGS ETC_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=29402&item=3860978680&rd=1)  
 
_eBay  item 3860978867 (Ends Dec-22-04 12:05:45 PST) - BABBITT 5.25 LB 
BAR,STEAM ENGINE  BEARINGS ETC_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=29402&item=3860978867&rd=1)  
 
_eBay  item 3860583902 (Ends Dec-20-04 16:33:46 PST) - SYRACUSE SMELTING 
MANGANESE  BABBITT INGOT_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=61605&item=3860583902&rd=1)  
 
_eBay  item 3860583166 (Ends Dec-20-04 16:30:00 PST) - AMERICAN METALS 
MANGANESE  BABBITT INGOT_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=61605&item=3860583166&rd=1)   

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, California



From transteck at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 17 20:12:07 2004
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:12:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Babbitt
References: <d9.1c0560c4.2ef455b5@aol.com>
	<016401c4e467$0da50720$a5458304@clinton>
Message-ID: <005201c4e4b7$bdf73760$0400a8c0@D7VWC221>

Here's a thought. Go to e-bay and search for Babbitt. 50 some hits and five 
are for what you are looking for. Not a common search word like maybe CD. 
Who puts your clothes out in the morning. Mommy?

Jeff
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clint D" <driggars at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Babbitt


> What is the link to the auction?
>
> Clint
>
>
>
>>
>> Hi List,
>> For those members who need babbitt, there are three bars  available on
> eBay.
>>
>> Francis Maciel
>> Santa Maria,  California
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From falcon at telenet.net  Fri Dec 17 22:45:33 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 01:45:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Building plans (pole barn types mostly) FREE
Message-ID: <002701c4e4cd$2cc73d60$1c5c14d0@net.telenet.net>

http://www.public.iastate.edu/~mwps_dis/mwps_web/ma_plans.html

Interesting site that gives you some ideas and plans for various types
of pole barns, and other construction as well.
And it's FREE


Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY

"God grant us the serenity to accept the things we cannot change,
courage to change the things we can,and wisdom to know the difference."



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Dec 17 21:52:54 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 16:52:54 +1100
Subject: [SEL] People with deep pockets
Message-ID: <200412181259.iBICxWoT086243@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Why is there a sudden surge in the price of original literature? 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3859812255
Have people developed deeper pockets or just gone a little crazy?

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From Todengine at aol.com  Sat Dec 18 05:27:31 2004
From: Todengine at aol.com (Todengine at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:27:31 EST
Subject: [SEL] Unsubscribing
Message-ID: <9b.5510c550.2ef58a43@aol.com>

I'm going to Maryland for two weeks so I'm unsubscribing.  I'll resubscribe 
when I return.

Merry Christmas.

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Heritage Park
William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine
Youngstown, OH
www.todengine.org


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Dec 18 06:19:38 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:19:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] People with deep pockets
In-Reply-To: <200412181259.iBICxWoT086243@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200412181259.iBICxWoT086243@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <41C43C7A.4010504@scrtc.com>

Patrick,

    I guess each person has their own interest but I agree that the 
original literature seems to have made a surge in price well ahead of 
the old engine price increases.  The original literature is harder to 
find than the old engines so I guess its natural that it would 
eventually catch on and become highly sought after.  Its sort of like 
what oilers did 20 years ago.  I can remember the day when oilers were 
not in much demand.  They were a minor secondary item to the old iron.  
Now you'll see an oiler on an engine and the oiler is worth more than 
the engine itself.  I remember the days of the $10 swingtops and 
paragons.  Those were the days.....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

>Why is there a sudden surge in the price of original literature? 
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3859812255
>Have people developed deeper pockets or just gone a little crazy?
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
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>
>
>  
>



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 18 06:59:00 2004
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 14:59:00 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Arden pictures.
In-Reply-To: <41C1BF8B.3050305@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F28992BCDFBAF96744F22AFC8A00@phx.gbl>

Hi Curt,

What is the story with the IH M with the flame coming out of the exhaust?  
Any idea how they did that?

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
==========================


>From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: SEL <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Arden pictures.
>Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:02:03 -0500
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Asheville2004/Thumbnails.html
>
>
>
>Hope you enjoy and maybe this will spark some engine discussion.
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC




From oldengin at udata.com  Sat Dec 18 08:06:47 2004
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:06:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Arden pictures.
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F28992BCDFBAF96744F22AFC8A00@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F28992BCDFBAF96744F22AFC8A00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41C45597.7090908@udata.com>

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Hi Curt,
>
> What is the story with the IH M with the flame coming out of the 
> exhaust?  Any idea how they did that?
>
> Luke 

Gday
    Luke, I did not see he pics yet but here is one way to do this.. 
Bore and stoke your "H" till it is rated at 50 plus horse power and feed 
her alcohol. This will give you fire out of the exhaust.. Want to know 
how to bore these beasts?????   ;-)

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From shop at cccomm.net  Sat Dec 18 10:40:28 2004
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:40:28 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy Engines
Message-ID: <00da01c4e531$0d836690$6501a8c0@Shop>

Go to Hercules Restoration to see the carts I made for these engines.
They are the last 8 pictures
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009545&f=0

From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Dec 18 15:13:43 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:13:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Water Cooled Maytag
Message-ID: <41C4B9A7.10302@scrtc.com>

I don't know much about Maytag engines but here is one that I've never 
seen before.  This is a water cooled Maytag.  Did Maytag make this or 
was the cylinder an aftermarket item that was placed on a Maytag frame?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=3861476816&rd=1

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY





From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Dec 19 06:55:03 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 09:55:03 EST
Subject: [SEL] People with deep pockets
Message-ID: <b9.4d808982.2ef6f047@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/18/2004 9:23:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

<< I remember the days of the $10 swingtops and 
 paragons.  Those were the days..... >>


Tommy,

Yes, and I remember pumping gas as a kid in the early 60's for 17 cents a 
gallon during the gas wars north of Pittsburgh, Pa.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Dec 19 07:00:26 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 10:00:26 EST
Subject: [SEL] Economy Engines
Message-ID: <fc.8d49667.2ef6f18a@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/18/2004 1:48:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
shop at cccomm.net writes:

<< Go to Hercules Restoration to see the carts I made for these engines. >>

Dave,

Great looking engines and carts! 

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Dec 19 07:20:10 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 08:20:10 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Economy Engines
References: <00da01c4e531$0d836690$6501a8c0@Shop>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV317C759F86DC139BD7ED7DBBA10@phx.gbl>

Carts look super to me Dave.  The twins also.  

RickinMt.

PS: Would like to correspond one of these days re: the 3hp Gal.







----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 11:40 AM
Subject: [SEL] Economy Engines


Go to Hercules Restoration to see the carts I made for these engines.
They are the last 8 pictures
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009545&f=0
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Dec 19 13:29:41 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 16:29:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] People with deep pockets
In-Reply-To: <41C43C7A.4010504@scrtc.com>
References: <200412181259.iBICxWoT086243@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<41C43C7A.4010504@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <1103491781.41c5f2c55a153@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Tommy,

You were saying about $10 Paragon Swingtops?  8-)))
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3860488851&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

BTW, Patrick, I really like to own original paper for all of the engines that I
own.  As Tommy pointed out, the paper is less durable and is often MUCH harder
to find than the engine.  For example, I've yet to see ANY paper on the
Robertsonville engines built in Canada.  So, on occasion, I've paid big bux for
"just paper."  But the paper gives me almost as much pleasure as the old iron
itself.  Each to their own I guess....

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:

> Now you'll see an oiler on an engine and the oiler is worth more than 
> the engine itself.  I remember the days of the $10 swingtops and 
> paragons.  Those were the days.....



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Dec 19 15:18:21 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:18:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] People with deep pockets
In-Reply-To: <1103491781.41c5f2c55a153@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <200412181259.iBICxWoT086243@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>	<41C43C7A.4010504@scrtc.com>
	<1103491781.41c5f2c55a153@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <41C60C3D.30706@scrtc.com>

Arnie,
    The regular Paragons and swingtops were in the $10 - $15 dollar 
range about 30 years ago.  I've had a couple of the Paragon Swingtops 
and bought one of them at Coolspring many years ago for $25.  I remember 
seeing a vendor with 2 at Portland in the early 80's and I could get 
them both for $100.  I passed on them as I knew he was way over priced 
and they would never be worth that kind of money..... 

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

>Hi Tommy,
>
>You were saying about $10 Paragon Swingtops?  8-)))
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3860488851&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
>
>BTW, Patrick, I really like to own original paper for all of the engines that I
>own.  As Tommy pointed out, the paper is less durable and is often MUCH harder
>to find than the engine.  For example, I've yet to see ANY paper on the
>Robertsonville engines built in Canada.  So, on occasion, I've paid big bux for
>"just paper."  But the paper gives me almost as much pleasure as the old iron
>itself.  Each to their own I guess....
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:
>
>  
>
>>Now you'll see an oiler on an engine and the oiler is worth more than 
>>the engine itself.  I remember the days of the $10 swingtops and 
>>paragons.  Those were the days.....
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Dec 19 15:35:40 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 23:35:40 -0000
Subject: [SEL] People with deep pockets
References: <200412181259.iBICxWoT086243@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><41C43C7A.4010504@scrtc.com>
	<1103491781.41c5f2c55a153@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <003601c4e623$74ba8080$8c9f0952@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] People with deep pockets


> You were saying about $10 Paragon Swingtops?  8-)))
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3860488851&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

Hi Arnie, how much would that have cost to buy in perhaps 1920?
What would be a weeks wages be at the same time?
ie how much are collectors inflating prices.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Dec 19 18:37:38 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:37:38 EST
Subject: [SEL] IHC LB Up date
Message-ID: <1a4.2d92e3cf.2ef794f2@aol.com>

Hi List,
Well today, I had another old engine fire up.  IHC LB was started after the 
head was removed to get the governor thottle plate unstuck.  
One thing to be sure, a person learns how the engine was made to operate when 
trying to get some of this old iron back in shape.  Fortunately, I was also 
able to locate a new 2?" diameter soft plug for this engine.
I was lucky to have David Ernst send me a copy of the IHC LB operating 
instructions.
Again thanks to everyone who helped me get this engine going.


Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, CA 


From segray at mlode.com  Sun Dec 19 23:12:46 2004
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 23:12:46 -0800
Subject: [SEL] High output Lister?
Message-ID: <41C67B6E.3020801@mlode.com>

Hey All, Merry Xmas! -

    Having had similar thoughts on this subject, and knowing this has 
been batted around on SEL before, I thought I'd put up a link to a 
picture of a modified Lister. I know the purists will probably shun 
this, but it shows it *can* be done. I have the makings to try the same 
modification on my big twin and may just try it next year.

Check out http://www.oldengineshed.com/blown.html

Something to think about to get away from the winter doldrums!

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Dec 19 23:17:23 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:17:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] People with deep pockets
References: <200412181259.iBICxWoT086243@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><41C43C7A.4010504@scrtc.com><1103491781.41c5f2c55a153@webmail.city-net.com>
	<003601c4e623$74ba8080$8c9f0952@no1>
Message-ID: <00f001c4e663$f797fba0$880d1bd3@athlon>

 Parts of this hobby are getting to be like politics.  Beyond
understanding!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] People with deep pockets


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 9:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] People with deep pockets
>
>
> > You were saying about $10 Paragon Swingtops?  8-)))
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3860488851&ssPageNam
e=STRK:MEWA:IT
>
> Hi Arnie, how much would that have cost to buy in perhaps 1920?
> What would be a weeks wages be at the same time?
> ie how much are collectors inflating prices.
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Dec 20 03:28:51 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 06:28:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] High output Lister?
In-Reply-To: <41C67B6E.3020801@mlode.com>
References: <41C67B6E.3020801@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <5325C45F-527A-11D9-BC6A-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Oh yeah, that's cool!

John

On Dec 20, 2004, at 2:12 AM, Steve Gray wrote:

> Hey All, Merry Xmas! -
>
>    Having had similar thoughts on this subject, and knowing this has 
> been batted around on SEL before, I thought I'd put up a link to a 
> picture of a modified Lister. I know the purists will probably shun 
> this, but it shows it *can* be done. I have the makings to try the 
> same modification on my big twin and may just try it next year.
>
> Check out http://www.oldengineshed.com/blown.html
>
> Something to think about to get away from the winter doldrums!
>


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Dec 20 05:43:38 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 08:43:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Arden pictures.
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F28992BCDFBAF96744F22AFC8A00@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F28992BCDFBAF96744F22AFC8A00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41C6D70A.7070305@imc-group.com>

Luke,
I really have no idea how he does it but he is there every year. It is 
generally a real smoker of an engine so I'm guessing it is run on kero. 
I'll ask around and see if anyone knows how it is done.
Curt

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Hi Curt,
>
> What is the story with the IH M with the flame coming out of the 
> exhaust?  Any idea how they did that?
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA




From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Dec 20 05:58:47 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 08:58:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Arnie Hartman
Message-ID: <41C6DA97.901@imc-group.com>

Does anyone know Arnie Hartman's email address?
Thanks,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
curt at imc-group.com


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Dec 20 07:27:34 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:27:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] New engine find (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412201027090.76521@vegeta.city-net.com>

>From Peter Lowe in Oz....

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:03:15 +1100
From: Peter Lowe <plowe at ceinternet.com.au>
Reply-To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: New engine find

Hi all
This is the sort of find you dream about because it might be obtainable, but it is in the USA
It anyone close and interested in more info????
Peter, Oz


Hi Peter
I am interested in finding out information regarding a Westinghouse Electric Generator that we have in our basement.  Our house was built in 1928 and believe the generator is original to the house. The wheel still turns some.  The muffler is still intact to the exterior of the house and it seems to have most of its parts from what we can tell.

First is this something that can be rebuilt and worth doing?  We are not sure what to do with it.  My husbands grandpa wanted to restore it, but he passed away this fall and never got a chance to do it.  How do we go about finding out more info on it?  We live in Wisconsin and would appreciate any help or advice.  Is there someone you could put us in contact with.  Thanks.


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Dec 20 07:40:13 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 08:40:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Charity auction
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV27D9F065877621041D49FBBBA20@phx.gbl>

Howdy all;
  I got three NIB good ole $hit-kickin' norsky, sheep, cattle & montana 
related musical CD's. A local group called The Ringling Five.  I've seen 
them at Octoberfest and they are fantastic!  Songs like

 "Cow sortin' blues" ( Don't sort cows with your wife)

 "They sure look a lot like Arnold" (re: the kids in the valley)


You can have your little engine buddy listen also...but you might have to 
explain lutefisk and Ya, sure, you betcha.  It's in good humor taste.

Are these good items for the auction?  Not at all old iron related, but 
would sound good in your old iron hauler on the way to shows.

Appreciate your comments!!

RickinMt.


http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Dec 19 04:10:49 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 23:10:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Freeing up the piston on new toy
Message-ID: <200412201637.iBKGbMAT039182@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Ron recently had this new toy arrive home:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/04121601.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/04121602.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/04121603.JPG

So today we decided to see if we could get the stuck piston to move. Ron is
on light duties due to a recent operation but having the fork-lift certainly
helps.
First job was to move the engine into the shade as it was another very hot
summer's day. The crank guard came off fairly easily. These are much easier
to remove and replace than on the earlier style Australs. The early ones are
a pain in the neck and I can see why they are often missing. It is
interesting too see how much has changed on this "New Austral" to my early
style one.
I removed or loosened the rockers and other bits attached to the sideshaft
in preparation for its removal while Ron unbolted the bearing caps so we
could lift the crank enough to get the rear gear guard free and drop the
sideshaft. We left the big end connected as even connected it would give us
the travel we needed to do what we needed to do.
Ron used to fork to provided the lift on the flywheel while I closely
watched the crank and as soon as the flywheels had some weight on them the
piston moved! Ron did not believe me at first but the dirty mark in the bore
where the piston had been was good evidence. Before going any further we
checked that the sideshaft was not stuck. You would not believe how many
engines have broken sideshaft gears from people not checking this first. 
We put the bearing caps back on and gave everything a further oil up and
with a bit of effort we soon had the engine turning over freely! What looked
like a big job turned out to be much easier than we thought. The other 3hp
Austral looks to be in much poorer condition to this one so I think the
piston will be a lot harder to remove but todays engine seems to be in quite
good condition so it will make for a nice little project :)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From shop at cccomm.net  Mon Dec 20 08:38:36 2004
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 08:38:36 -0800
Subject: [SEL] JD Magneto
Message-ID: <01ad01c4e6b2$5c203bc0$6501a8c0@Shop>

Anyone know what model an original wyco mag was on JD D's? I'm contemplating getting an early steel wheeled one.

Dave

From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Mon Dec 20 08:57:59 2004
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:57:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Arnie Hartman
References: <41C6DA97.901@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <026501c4e6b5$1272d0c0$0301a8c0@ALEC>

ArnieHartmann at aol.com
E-mail Address(es):
  ArnieHartmann at aol.com


Alec J. Stevens
Investment Specialist
80 Leighton Road, Suite C
Falmouth, ME 04105
(800)842-6669
(207)797-5169
(207)797-2819
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 8:58 AM
Subject: [SEL] Arnie Hartman


> Does anyone know Arnie Hartman's email address?
> Thanks,
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> curt at imc-group.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Dec 20 09:14:42 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:14:42 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV2668BC08FE2B5FC0E4F394BBA20@phx.gbl>

  Howdy all from Montana.
Up for auction are three muscial CD's, NIB, by "The Ringling Five"...a local 
group that sings it like it is.  They tour the NW and put on quite a show.

  If you like good ole $hit-kickin' down home on the ranch, Norsky, cattle, 
sheep, dogs, and such, then you'll like these.  Family oriented so your 
little ole iron buddy can join in.

My way of thanking you all and especially Spencer for helping me out this 
last year.

Ya'all have a good holiday season...Bid High, Bid often.  Items up for 
auction can be seen at:

http://www.oldironauction.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?zcharity

RickinMt.
PS: only two show up on the auction block so far.  Will keep an eye on it.


http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Dec 19 17:51:12 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 12:51:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] People with deep pockets
In-Reply-To: <1103491781.41c5f2c55a153@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <200412201751.iBKHp5xP066478@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi Arnie,
	I have nothing against collecting original paperwork. I have
original catalogues and handbooks for many of my engines (and paid well for
some of them). I quite willingly make copies for people who require them but
will those who have paid extreme amounts be as willing to make copies?

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----

BTW, Patrick, I really like to own original paper for all of the engines
that I
own.  As Tommy pointed out, the paper is less durable and is often MUCH
harder
to find than the engine.  For example, I've yet to see ANY paper on the
Robertsonville engines built in Canada.  So, on occasion, I've paid big bux
for
"just paper."  But the paper gives me almost as much pleasure as the old
iron
itself.  Each to their own I guess....

See ya,  Arnie





From b2 at chooka.net  Mon Dec 20 12:59:43 2004
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:59:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] JD Magneto
References: <01ad01c4e6b2$5c203bc0$6501a8c0@Shop>
Message-ID: <005c01c4e6d6$d4f14cf0$660a0a0a@apluscomputer.local>

Deere used quite a variety of mag's over the years, if you want to fix yours 
up all original.  Those before 130700 were base mount and I think 
interchangeable, and those after were flange mount.  Wico AP and C base 
mount were often used on the earlier D's as replacement mags.
D 30400-81069 Dixie 246C

D 81070-94700 Splitdorf 246T

D 94701-94800 FBM R2

D 94801-94900 Eisemann GV2Q

D 94901-130699 Splitdorf 246T

D 130700-143569 ES CD Spec 010

D 143800-152707 ES CD

D 152708-153208 Wico C

D 153209-155599 ES CD

D 155600-155999 Wico C

D 1560000-187102 ES CD

D 187103-191670 Wico X

B?
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:38 AM
Subject: [SEL] JD Magneto


Anyone know what model an original wyco mag was on JD D's? I'm contemplating 
getting an early steel wheeled one.

Dave
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Dec 20 13:38:40 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:38:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] People with deep pockets
In-Reply-To: <200412201751.iBKHp5xP066478@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200412201751.iBKHp5xP066478@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412201630250.76521@vegeta.city-net.com>

G'day Patrick,

I think the answer to that question is highly individual.  Some folks who
buy the paper as an "investment" probably wouldn't want to copy it for
fear of "diluting" the value of their invenstment by having copies of the
info "out there."  Others, like you and I, buy the literature because of
some connection to the hobby.  And sharing information is another
important part of the hobby.

I'd wager that the same two types of thinking also applies to loaning out
parts of engines so that copies can be made.  I'm sure there are some out
there who would never consider loaning out a part.  Happily I know folks
who would consider nothing less.

So again I think it boils down to individuals; some share and some don't.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

> 	I have nothing against collecting original paperwork. I have
> original catalogues and handbooks for many of my engines (and paid well for
> some of them). I quite willingly make copies for people who require them but
> will those who have paid extreme amounts be as willing to make copies?


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Dec 20 14:18:17 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:18:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction
Message-ID: <20041220.141817.900.5.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
How long does it take for the item to appear after I sent it in?  When I
hit preview it took a long time to do anything, so I went on to something
else.  When I went back there was some message that didn't make any
sense.  Probably it didn't go through.  Any advise?  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Dec 20 14:39:15 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:39:15 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction second try
Message-ID: <20041220.143915.900.7.rdhaskell@juno.com>

I tried posting the item for sale again.  When I hit review it took a
long time again.  The reply was:
Short Read: wanted 8292, got 2920 
What is next?

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

From garyepps at fidnet.com  Mon Dec 20 15:02:10 2004
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:02:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] JD Magneto
In-Reply-To: <01ad01c4e6b2$5c203bc0$6501a8c0@Shop>
References: <01ad01c4e6b2$5c203bc0$6501a8c0@Shop>
Message-ID: <41C759F2.9070900@fidnet.com>

  Most JD "D"s use an Edison-Splitdorf.  A Wico C was used on tractors 
numbered 152708-155999.  These would be tractors from late 1941 through 
early 1944.  A  Wico X was used on tactors numbered 35309-130699 years 
1926-1936 and on tractors numbered   187102-     these would from about 
the third quarter of 1949 through the  end of production.

Hope this helps.

Gary

Dave Ernst wrote:
> Anyone know what model an original wyco mag was on JD D's? I'm contemplating getting an early steel wheeled one.
> 
> Dave
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> 
> 
> 

-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Dec 20 15:42:48 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:42:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness
Message-ID: <DB3D1254-52E0-11D9-B2E3-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

The other night I posted a pic Jennifer took of her mom in the 
groundhog hat I bought her last year for Groundhog Day:
http://oldengine.org/members/culp/Eeee!.jpg

So, in fairness: Here's a pic of me shot by my daughter the other night:
http://oldengine.org/members/culp/santa.jpg

Here's a pic of the photographer posing with her mom:
http://oldengine.org/members/culp/red_&_green.jpg

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Mon Dec 20 16:46:03 2004
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:46:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction second try
In-Reply-To: <20041220.143915.900.7.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20041221004603.87558.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com>

Ron

I had the same problem when I tried posting an item.  I resolved it by
hosting the picture on my area on the oldengine.org site and linking the
picture instead of having oldiron auction host it.  Looks like there is a
problem in uploading the picture.  To get around it, you need to either
not put a picture in the auction or host it on another site and link to
it.

Steve
--- rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
I tried posting the item for sale again.  When I hit review it took a
long time again.  The reply was:
Short Read: wanted 8292, got 2920 
What is next?

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Mon Dec 20 19:02:13 2004
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:02:13 -0600
Subject: [SEL] People with deep pockets
Message-ID: <000601c4e709$7bf9b1e0$f4680b42@gnarmstrong>

And Arnie some of us are very glad that  people are around that will share
parts and literature such as you.  You've helped me and I sure appreciate
it.      George
-----Original Message-----
From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, December 20, 2004 5:50 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] People with deep pockets


>G'day Patrick,
>
>I think the answer to that question is highly individual.  Some folks who
>buy the paper as an "investment" probably wouldn't want to copy it for
>fear of "diluting" the value of their invenstment by having copies of the
>info "out there."  Others, like you and I, buy the literature because of
>some connection to the hobby.  And sharing information is another
>important part of the hobby.
>
>I'd wager that the same two types of thinking also applies to loaning out
>parts of engines so that copies can be made.  I'm sure there are some out
>there who would never consider loaning out a part.  Happily I know folks
>who would consider nothing less.
>
>So again I think it boils down to individuals; some share and some don't.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:
>
>> I have nothing against collecting original paperwork. I have
>> original catalogues and handbooks for many of my engines (and paid well
for
>> some of them). I quite willingly make copies for people who require them
but
>> will those who have paid extreme amounts be as willing to make copies?
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Mon Dec 20 19:06:13 2004
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:06:13 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness
Message-ID: <000f01c4e70a$086bfac0$f4680b42@gnarmstrong>

One handsome devil but I wouldn't buy a used car from him.            George
-----Original Message-----
From: John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, December 20, 2004 8:00 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness


>The other night I posted a pic Jennifer took of her mom in the 
>groundhog hat I bought her last year for Groundhog Day:
>http://oldengine.org/members/culp/Eeee!.jpg
>
>So, in fairness: Here's a pic of me shot by my daughter the other night:
>http://oldengine.org/members/culp/santa.jpg
>
>Here's a pic of the photographer posing with her mom:
>http://oldengine.org/members/culp/red_&_green.jpg
>
>John Culp
>Bristol, Tennessee, USA
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Mon Dec 20 19:52:10 2004
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:52:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness
References: <DB3D1254-52E0-11D9-B2E3-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <009201c4e710$72d262e0$966e8645@carolina.rr.com>

Good job John!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 6:42 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness


> The other night I posted a pic Jennifer took of her mom in the 
> groundhog hat I bought her last year for Groundhog Day:
> http://oldengine.org/members/culp/Eeee!.jpg
> 
> So, in fairness: Here's a pic of me shot by my daughter the other night:
> http://oldengine.org/members/culp/santa.jpg
> 
> Here's a pic of the photographer posing with her mom:
> http://oldengine.org/members/culp/red_&_green.jpg
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Dec 20 21:53:46 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:53:46 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter
Message-ID: <20041220.215346.900.11.rdhaskell@juno.com>

My 7 hp Economy  engine is missing the ignitor, mag and trip mechanism. 
I have a chance to buy the ignitor bracket for $150, rebuilt and
guaranteed for two years.  Is this a fair price?  Would it be better look
for one with the mag included, or find the mag by it's self and buy this
one?  Decisions, decisions.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Dec 20 23:33:06 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:33:06 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter
References: <20041220.215346.900.11.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <002001c4e72f$50043a30$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

Ron, when I was you I would buy it, it's easier to find them
apart then a complete set in one is my opinion.
For here the price is more then right.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



> My 7 hp Economy  engine is missing the ignitor, mag and trip mechanism. 
> I have a chance to buy the ignitor bracket for $150, rebuilt and
> guaranteed for two years.  Is this a fair price?  Would it be better look
> for one with the mag included, or find the mag by it's self and buy this
> one?  Decisions, decisions.  Thanks.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Dec 21 02:19:12 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:19:12 -0000
Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness
References: <DB3D1254-52E0-11D9-B2E3-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <002001c4e746$858c2de0$8c9f0952@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 11:42 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness


> The other night I posted a pic Jennifer took of her mom in the 
> groundhog hat I bought her last year for Groundhog Day:
> http://oldengine.org/members/culp/Eeee!.jpg
> So, in fairness: Here's a pic of me shot by my daughter the other night:
> http://oldengine.org/members/culp/santa.jpg
> Here's a pic of the photographer posing with her mom:
> http://oldengine.org/members/culp/red_&_green.jpg
> John Culp

Hi John, I would have kept those a secret!
You & your M in L  look like a couple 
with the children in the last picture. 8^)
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From prepair at easynet.co.uk  Tue Dec 21 02:51:26 2004
From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:51:26 +0000
Subject: [SEL] People with deep pockets
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412201630250.76521@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <200412201751.iBKHp5xP066478@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0412201630250.76521@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <5kvfs0drpf2d83ihquo85c1u0lc6qhfis9@4ax.com>

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:38:40 -0500 (EST), you wrote:

>G'day Patrick,
>
>I think the answer to that question is highly individual.  Some folks who
>buy the paper as an "investment" probably wouldn't want to copy it for
>fear of "diluting" the value of their invenstment by having copies of the
>info "out there."  Others, like you and I, buy the literature because of
>some connection to the hobby.  And sharing information is another
>important part of the hobby.
>
>I'd wager that the same two types of thinking also applies to loaning out
>parts of engines so that copies can be made.  I'm sure there are some out
>there who would never consider loaning out a part.  Happily I know folks
>who would consider nothing less.
>
>So again I think it boils down to individuals; some share and some don't.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:
>
>> 	I have nothing against collecting original paperwork. I have
>> original catalogues and handbooks for many of my engines (and paid well for
>> some of them). I quite willingly make copies for people who require them but
>> will those who have paid extreme amounts be as willing to make copies?

<soapbox)

We've been here before :-))

I have absolutely no problem with copying to help other engine guys
out, in fact I have a set of original Petter literature out with
Roland Craven at present for him to copy for his own use.

What I have always objected to is the guy or guys who copy and then
try and sell on to others as though the material is their own, that
really gets on my titties!  Paul Evans has had to take action a number
of times against ebay vendors who have ripped stuff off his site and
made up CD's to sell on ebay. That material was put there to help
others, not provide a living for rip-off merchants.

A lot of us have also had our own websites raided for pictures (Rob
Skinner was the last well-known one...) and material. It is not on
that people can 'steal' for want of a better description material that
is put in the public domain to help others out.

</soapbox>

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK
prepair at easynet.co.uk
http://www.prepair.co.uk




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Dec 21 03:21:35 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:21:35 -0000
Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness
References: <DB3D1254-52E0-11D9-B2E3-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
	<002001c4e746$858c2de0$8c9f0952@no1>
Message-ID: <000801c4e74f$3c5f7ce0$8c9f0952@no1>

Sorry John, I just re-read your post & realised
that I had totally c*cked up the identities.
The first & last pictures are both of your wife.
(the pair still look like sisters in the last picture)
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 11:42 PM
> Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness
> 
> 
> > The other night I posted a pic Jennifer took of her mom in the 
> > groundhog hat I bought her last year for Groundhog Day:
> > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/Eeee!.jpg
> > So, in fairness: Here's a pic of me shot by my daughter the other night:
> > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/santa.jpg
> > Here's a pic of the photographer posing with her mom:
> > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/red_&_green.jpg
> > John Culp
> 
> Hi John, I would have kept those a secret!
> You & your M in L  look like a couple 
> with the children in the last picture. 8^)
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From falcon at telenet.net  Tue Dec 21 04:31:19 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 07:31:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness
References: <DB3D1254-52E0-11D9-B2E3-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <007c01c4e758$f9dd8880$591117d1@net.telenet.net>

Nice pics.

Just a bit of makeup and a pair of glasses and you could easily pass for
Richard Dreyfuss.

Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY

"God grant us the serenity to accept the things we cannot change,
courage to change the things we can,and wisdom to know the difference."
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 6:42 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness


> The other night I posted a pic Jennifer took of her mom in the
> groundhog hat I bought her last year for Groundhog Day:
> http://oldengine.org/members/culp/Eeee!.jpg
>
> So, in fairness: Here's a pic of me shot by my daughter the other
night:
> http://oldengine.org/members/culp/santa.jpg
>
> Here's a pic of the photographer posing with her mom:
> http://oldengine.org/members/culp/red_&_green.jpg
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Dec 21 04:49:06 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 04:49:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter
In-Reply-To: <002001c4e72f$50043a30$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
References: <20041220.215346.900.11.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<002001c4e72f$50043a30$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <21433.165.206.180.118.1103633346.squirrel@165.206.180.118>

Buy it.........
A. it's not a terrible price
B. It's hard to find them complete with mag.....that are any good.
If the mag is good, will the ignitor be good? If the ignitor is good, will
the mag be good?
 you may be waiting a while.

Bill

> Ron, when I was you I would buy it, it's easier to find them
> apart then a complete set in one is my opinion.
> For here the price is more then right.
>
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
>
>
>
>> My 7 hp Economy  engine is missing the ignitor, mag and trip mechanism.
>> I have a chance to buy the ignitor bracket for $150, rebuilt and
>> guaranteed for two years.  Is this a fair price?  Would it be better
>> look
>> for one with the mag included, or find the mag by it's self and buy this
>> one?  Decisions, decisions.  Thanks.
>>
>> Ron Haskell
>> rdhaskell at juno.com
>> Riverside, California
>> USA
>> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From shop at cccomm.net  Tue Dec 21 07:03:33 2004
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 07:03:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter
References: <20041220.215346.900.11.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <01f501c4e76e$3f6f63e0$6501a8c0@Shop>

 Ron,
For your information the 1 1/2 HP yellow Economy engine was missing all that 
stuff. It did have the pushrod, but no trip bracket. The complete set up, 
ignitor and mag rebyilt cost me right at $400.
Buy it quick.
Dave
BTW, thanks for posting those engine cart pictures, as I borrowed some of 
your ideas. Hope they weren't copyrighted!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 9:53 PM
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter


> My 7 hp Economy  engine is missing the ignitor, mag and trip mechanism.
> I have a chance to buy the ignitor bracket for $150, rebuilt and
> guaranteed for two years.  Is this a fair price?  Would it be better look
> for one with the mag included, or find the mag by it's self and buy this
> one?  Decisions, decisions.  Thanks.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Tue Dec 21 07:39:05 2004
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:39:05 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter
References: <20041220.215346.900.11.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<002001c4e72f$50043a30$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
	<21433.165.206.180.118.1103633346.squirrel@165.206.180.118>
Message-ID: <003d01c4e773$344ddd70$3775833e@harryp1811>

Buy it......
I think it's not very difficult to find a Webster magneto.
IMO it's much more difficult to find the bracket/ignitor that will fityour
engine!
Remember they made maybe hunderds of different brackets, but only a few
differents mags!

But you can of course always make (or buy) a igniter with a battery / coil.
IMO the best system there is.


Harry Terpstra
Sint Annaparochie
Netherlands
h.terpstra at wxs.nl
http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html



----- Original Message -----
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy igniter


> Buy it.........
> A. it's not a terrible price
> B. It's hard to find them complete with mag.....that are any good.
> If the mag is good, will the ignitor be good? If the ignitor is good, will
> the mag be good?
>  you may be waiting a while.
>
> Bill
>
> > Ron, when I was you I would buy it, it's easier to find them
> > apart then a complete set in one is my opinion.
> > For here the price is more then right.
> >
> > John Hammink
> > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
> >
> >
> >
> >> My 7 hp Economy  engine is missing the ignitor, mag and trip mechanism.
> >> I have a chance to buy the ignitor bracket for $150, rebuilt and
> >> guaranteed for two years.  Is this a fair price?  Would it be better
> >> look
> >> for one with the mag included, or find the mag by it's self and buy
this
> >> one?  Decisions, decisions.  Thanks.
> >>
> >> Ron Haskell
> >> rdhaskell at juno.com
> >> Riverside, California
> >> USA
> >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
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>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Dec 21 08:30:44 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:30:44 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter follow up
Message-ID: <20041221.083044.1144.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>


Thanks to all who responded.  I will purchase the bracket if it is still
available.  Now i need a trip mechanism, #303K26A.  Does anyone have one
for sale, or one I could borrow to reproduce?

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Dec 21 08:54:38 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:54:38 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter
Message-ID: <20041221.085439.1144.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Dave.  I am glad you could use some ideas from the cart pictures. 
Modifications will be needed depending on the equipment available to you.
 
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 07:03:33 -0800 "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net> writes:
>  Ron,
............................................
> Dave
> BTW, thanks for posting those engine cart pictures, as I borrowed 
> some of 
> your ideas. Hope they weren't copyrighted!


From falcon at telenet.net  Tue Dec 21 09:05:01 2004
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:05:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness
References: <DB3D1254-52E0-11D9-B2E3-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
	<007c01c4e758$f9dd8880$591117d1@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <025b01c4e77f$360cfc20$591117d1@net.telenet.net>

Should say different glasses, RDs are those round "fashion" types.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness


> Nice pics.
>
> Just a bit of makeup and a pair of glasses and you could easily pass
for
> Richard Dreyfuss.
>
> Steve Williams
> Near Cooperstown NY
>
> "God grant us the serenity to accept the things we cannot change,
> courage to change the things we can,and wisdom to know the
difference."
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 6:42 PM
> Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness
>
>
> > The other night I posted a pic Jennifer took of her mom in the
> > groundhog hat I bought her last year for Groundhog Day:
> > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/Eeee!.jpg
> >
> > So, in fairness: Here's a pic of me shot by my daughter the other
> night:
> > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/santa.jpg
> >
> > Here's a pic of the photographer posing with her mom:
> > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/red_&_green.jpg
> >
> > John Culp
> > Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
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>



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Dec 21 10:30:16 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:30:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter
In-Reply-To: <20041220.215346.900.11.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20041220.215346.900.11.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041221132629.0242cff0@mail.alltel.net>

At 12:53 AM 12/21/2004, you wrote:
>My 7 hp Economy  engine is missing the ignitor, mag and trip mechanism.
>I have a chance to buy the ignitor bracket for $150, rebuilt and
>guaranteed for two years.  Is this a fair price?  Would it be better look
>for one with the mag included, or find the mag by it's self and buy this
>one?  Decisions, decisions.  Thanks.
>Ron Haskell

Hi Ron, I'd buy it if I were you. It's not underpriced, but is a fair 
price. The Webster mag (w/either 2 or 3 magnets) will set you back another 
$250.00, or so.
         Dave
PS, I think that I'm correct in saying that from the 5 HP up the ignitors 
for the Herculese built engines were all the same were all the same. Think 
the mags were as well. 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Dec 21 11:38:19 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:38:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412211435200.85439@vegeta.city-net.com>

At LAST the Winter Solstice is here!!  The days are now getting longer and
Portland 2005 is getting closer!!  8-)))

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Dancing naked in the moonlight is appropriate.  8->>

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Dec 21 12:37:54 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:37:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter/Wico question
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041221132629.0242cff0@mail.alltel.net>
References: <20041220.215346.900.11.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041221132629.0242cff0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <41C889A2.4010906@imc-group.com>

Dave,
Since we are on the subject of mags for Herc's......is the bracket the 
same whether a PR or EK (Wico's) is mounted to the bracket?
Yes I realize we were discussing Webster brackets & ignitors, but it 
just crossed my mind to wonder about the Wico's.
Ron, I'm assuming you've done the s/n research and know your engine is 
supposed to have the Webster setup and not the Wico setup???
Curt


> At 12:53 AM 12/21/2004, you wrote:
>
>> My 7 hp Economy  engine is missing the ignitor, mag and trip mechanism.
>> I have a chance to buy the ignitor bracket for $150, rebuilt and
>> guaranteed for two years.  Is this a fair price?  Would it be better 
>> look
>> for one with the mag included, or find the mag by it's self and buy this
>> one?  Decisions, decisions.  Thanks.
>> Ron Haskell
>
>
> Hi Ron, I'd buy it if I were you. It's not underpriced, but is a fair 
> price. The Webster mag (w/either 2 or 3 magnets) will set you back 
> another $250.00, or so.
>         Dave
> PS, I think that I'm correct in saying that from the 5 HP up the 
> ignitors for the Herculese built engines were all the same were all 
> the same. Think the mags were as well.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz  Tue Dec 21 12:36:48 2004
From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:36:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter follow up
References: <20041221.083044.1144.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <03ed01c4e79c$ce027b00$0301a8c0@ALEC>

Yeah, they are plentiful, If you buy the mag and bracket/ign. they are
included in the price and 2 yr guar. of $450. but as you are buying only the
mag I think they are selling for $140. US.. Hope that helps,
Merry Christmas

Alec J. Stevens
Investment Specialist
80 Leighton Road, Suite C
Falmouth, ME 04105
(800)842-6669
(207)797-5169
(207)797-2819
----- Original Message -----
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 11:30 AM
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter follow up


>
> Thanks to all who responded.  I will purchase the bracket if it is still
> available.  Now i need a trip mechanism, #303K26A.  Does anyone have one
> for sale, or one I could borrow to reproduce?
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Dec 21 13:00:40 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:00:40 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: I have what you want.
Message-ID: <20041221.130040.284.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Message to Alec Stevens:  please send a couple of pictures.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

From nick at holden1.net  Tue Dec 21 13:09:04 2004
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 21:09:04 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] Christmas
Message-ID: <41C890F0.000003.02340@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Hi 
    Happy Christmas to all on the list
                                    nick

From marvhed at ecenet.com  Tue Dec 21 13:41:50 2004
From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:41:50 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412211435200.85439@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412211435200.85439@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <46658.199.62.0.252.1103665310.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>

with a wind chill of -28F, i'll let you do that!!
i'm staying in by the fire :-))

marv in minn

>
> PS - Dancing naked in the moonlight is appropriate.  8->>
>
> Arnie Fero



From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Dec 21 14:09:04 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:09:04 EST
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter follow up
Message-ID: <1f0.31a0617b.2ef9f900@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/21/2004 2:19:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rdhaskell at juno.com writes:

<< Now i need a trip mechanism, #303K26A. >>

Ron,

I believe Hit and Miss or Starbolt handles all of the pieces for the trip 
mechanisms and springs.  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Tue Dec 21 15:10:00 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 00:10:00 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter/Wico question
References: <20041220.215346.900.11.rdhaskell@juno.com><6.1.2.0.0.20041221132629.0242cff0@mail.alltel.net>
	<41C889A2.4010906@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <000701c4e7b2$326792a0$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

Sorry Curt, Wico's have nothing to do with ignitors.

John H.



> Since we are on the subject of mags for Herc's......is the bracket the 
> same whether a PR or EK (Wico's) is mounted to the bracket?
> Yes I realize we were discussing Webster brackets & ignitors, but it 
> just crossed my mind to wonder about the Wico's.
> Ron, I'm assuming you've done the s/n research and know your engine is 
> supposed to have the Webster setup and not the Wico setup???
> Curt




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Tue Dec 21 16:05:49 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 01:05:49 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Wishing you...
Message-ID: <005201c4e7b9$fec4e8a0$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/MXmas.gif


John & Ria Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Dec 21 16:41:05 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:41:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412211435200.85439@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412211435200.85439@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <29BF4618-53B2-11D9-9BF8-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> PS - Dancing naked in the moonlight is appropriate.  8->>

You first, Arnie!

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Dec 21 17:24:41 2004
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:24:41 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter
In-Reply-To: <20041220.215346.900.11.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200412220124.iBM1Ot39024489@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Ron, Don't buy anything before you send me your phone # Cya,Jimmy O'

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
rdhaskell at juno.com
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 9:54 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter

My 7 hp Economy  engine is missing the ignitor, mag and trip mechanism. 
I have a chance to buy the ignitor bracket for $150, rebuilt and
guaranteed for two years.  Is this a fair price?  Would it be better look
for one with the mag included, or find the mag by it's self and buy this
one?  Decisions, decisions.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
_______________________________________________
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From old_iron at msn.com  Tue Dec 21 17:57:57 2004
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:57:57 -0600
Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412211435200.85439@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY4-F4B8656C4A37C32A8E1B64E7A40@phx.gbl>

Below zero wind chills not condusive to this behavor (however Balatine it 
would be OK).

;-}

Peg

PS: in case you know know about this Pagon rite, it is the night before May 
1st or May Day.

>From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: Stationary Engine List <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,        Old 
>Engine <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner
>Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:38:19 -0500 (EST)
>
>At LAST the Winter Solstice is here!!  The days are now getting longer and
>Portland 2005 is getting closer!!  8-)))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>PS - Dancing naked in the moonlight is appropriate.  8->>
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Dec 21 19:02:44 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:02:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner
In-Reply-To: <BAY4-F4B8656C4A37C32A8E1B64E7A40@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY4-F4B8656C4A37C32A8E1B64E7A40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F37FD701-53C5-11D9-8FAA-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> PS: in case you know know about this Pagon rite, it is the night 
> before May 1st or May Day.

If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't be alarmed, now.
It's just a spring clean for the May Queen.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Dec 21 19:21:14 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:21:14 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter
Message-ID: <20041221.192114.284.9.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Jim.
951-678-6667

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:24:41 -0800 "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
writes:
> Ron, Don't buy anything before you send me your phone # Cya,Jimmy O'
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
>


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Dec 21 19:24:33 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:24:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter/Wico question
Message-ID: <20041221.192433.284.10.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Curt.
Glenn Klarch gave me the information on the parts I needed.  Can't get
better information than that!!
Good parts are on order <VBG>

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:37:54 -0500 Curt <curt at imc-group.com> writes:
> Dave,
> Since we are on the subject of mags for Herc's......is the bracket 
> the 
> same whether a PR or EK (Wico's) is mounted to the bracket?
> Yes I realize we were discussing Webster brackets & ignitors, but it 
> 
> just crossed my mind to wonder about the Wico's.
> Ron, I'm assuming you've done the s/n research and know your engine 
> is 
> supposed to have the Webster setup and not the Wico setup???
> Curt


From glenn.karch at gte.net  Tue Dec 21 19:30:01 2004
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 21:30:01 -0600
Subject: [SEL] WICO PR and EK
Message-ID: <004d01c4e7d6$87fdeec0$b329ea41@oemcomputer>

Curt and others,

On Hercules built engines, the WICO EK and PR magnetos use the same bracket,
but the trip rocker is different because the PR has an internal return
spring and the EK has an external return spring on the trip rocker.

The Hercules built model E engines use the Webster K on the 2 1/2-3 and 5 HP
engines and the Webster L on the 7, 9 and 12 HP sizes and both mags fit the
303K26 bracket and use the same trip mechanism.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Dec 21 20:14:46 2004
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:14:46 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter
In-Reply-To: <20041221.192114.284.9.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200412220414.iBM4Eo8o008464@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi Ron I just tried the # and no answer. I'll try again. Jimmy 415 892 0236 

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
rdhaskell at juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 7:21 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy igniter

Hi Jim.
951-678-6667

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:24:41 -0800 "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
writes:
> Ron, Don't buy anything before you send me your phone # Cya,Jimmy O'
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Dec 21 20:17:12 2004
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:17:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner
In-Reply-To: <F37FD701-53C5-11D9-8FAA-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <200412220417.iBM4HH0Y009385@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Led Zeplin..................Stairway to Heaven



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 9:03 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner

> PS: in case you know know about this Pagon rite, it is the night 
> before May 1st or May Day.

If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't be alarmed, now.
It's just a spring clean for the May Queen.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Dec 22 05:13:04 2004
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:13:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter/Wico question
In-Reply-To: <000701c4e7b2$326792a0$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
References: <20041220.215346.900.11.rdhaskell@juno.com><6.1.2.0.0.20041221132629.0242cff0@mail.alltel.net>	<41C889A2.4010906@imc-group.com>
	<000701c4e7b2$326792a0$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <41C972E0.50803@imc-group.com>

Yes John I realize that, which is why I changed the subject line. I have 
Hercs with Websters, EK's, and PR's on them.
Just trying to keep the engine content up and running.
Thank you Glenn for your usually concise answers.
Is it correct to say that the use of Websters was absolutely 
discontinued at the conclusion of the Model E run? No using up of parts 
at the beginning of the next model?
Curt

John Hammink wrote:

>Sorry Curt, Wico's have nothing to do with ignitors.
>
>John H.
>
>
>
>  
>
>>Since we are on the subject of mags for Herc's......is the bracket the 
>>same whether a PR or EK (Wico's) is mounted to the bracket?
>>Yes I realize we were discussing Webster brackets & ignitors, but it 
>>just crossed my mind to wonder about the Wico's.
>>Ron, I'm assuming you've done the s/n research and know your engine is 
>>supposed to have the Webster setup and not the Wico setup???
>>Curt
>>    
>>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Dec 22 05:57:46 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:57:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter/Wico question
In-Reply-To: <41C972E0.50803@imc-group.com>
References: <20041220.215346.900.11.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041221132629.0242cff0@mail.alltel.net>
	<41C889A2.4010906@imc-group.com>
	<000701c4e7b2$326792a0$3e636854@Sixmjohn>
	<41C972E0.50803@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041222084922.023b06b0@mail.alltel.net>

At 08:13 AM 12/22/2004, you wrote:
>Yes John I realize that, which is why I changed the subject line. I have 
>Hercs with Websters, EK's, and PR's on them.
>Just trying to keep the engine content up and running.
>Thank you Glenn for your usually concise answers.
>Is it correct to say that the use of Websters was absolutely discontinued 
>at the conclusion of the Model E run? No using up of parts at the 
>beginning of the next model?
>Curt

Hi Curt,
         The Model F Hercules used a Webster mag also. It was the Model 1A 
or the 2C. The 1A/2C mag took a different bracket than did the mags on the 
E. Karch also shows what appears to be an F with a WICO on it (p. 28 figure 
8) but that may have been a retro-fit. By the time the FW was produced the 
WICO was standard.  (All this is from Glenn's book.)
         Dave 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Dec 22 06:53:04 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:53:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)
In-Reply-To: <BAY4-F4B8656C4A37C32A8E1B64E7A40@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY4-F4B8656C4A37C32A8E1B64E7A40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412220933270.94435@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Peg,

Well, Beltane is definitely on my "occasions to dance naked in the
moonlight" calandar.  8->>>

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5202/mayday.htm
http://www.spiritualitea.com/sabbats/mayday.shtml
http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art19730.asp

And I've even learned WHY one dances naked.  8->>

By Celtic reckoning, the actual Beltane celebration begins on sundown of
the preceding day, April 30, because the Celts always figured their days
from sundown to sundown. And sundown was the proper time for Druids to
kindle the great Bel-fires on the tops of the nearest beacon hill (such as
Tara Hill, Co. Meath, in Ireland). These 'need-fires' had healing
properties, and sky-clad Witches would jump through the flames to ensure
protection.

Sgt. Howie (shocked): 'But they are naked!'
Lord Summerisle: 'Naturally. It's much too dangerous to jump through the
fire with your clothes on!'

So now you know...  8-)))

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote:

> Below zero wind chills not condusive to this behavor (however Balatine it
> would be OK).
>
> PS: in case you know know about this Pagon rite, it is the night before May
> 1st or May Day.



From clemsweller at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 22 14:44:43 2004
From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:44:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412220933270.94435@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001001c4e877$d89ebb10$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>

Hey Arnie,

If you are going to dance naked, I would suguest doing it before this
storm gets to you.  We have 14" of snow on the ground in SE Indiana as I
write this with a potential of another 10" tonight and tomorrow morning,
then the temps are going to -8 degrees.  I would recommend you dance
tonight if you are going to do it this week.

Merry Christmas to all!

Chuck Emsweller

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 9:53 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: RE: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)

Hi Peg,

Well, Beltane is definitely on my "occasions to dance naked in the
moonlight" calandar.  8->>>

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5202/mayday.htm
http://www.spiritualitea.com/sabbats/mayday.shtml
http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art19730.asp

And I've even learned WHY one dances naked.  8->>

By Celtic reckoning, the actual Beltane celebration begins on sundown of
the preceding day, April 30, because the Celts always figured their days
from sundown to sundown. And sundown was the proper time for Druids to
kindle the great Bel-fires on the tops of the nearest beacon hill (such
as
Tara Hill, Co. Meath, in Ireland). These 'need-fires' had healing
properties, and sky-clad Witches would jump through the flames to ensure
protection.

Sgt. Howie (shocked): 'But they are naked!'
Lord Summerisle: 'Naturally. It's much too dangerous to jump through the
fire with your clothes on!'

So now you know...  8-)))

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote:

> Below zero wind chills not condusive to this behavor (however Balatine
it
> would be OK).
>
> PS: in case you know know about this Pagon rite, it is the night
before May
> 1st or May Day.

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From shop at cccomm.net  Wed Dec 22 15:02:06 2004
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:02:06 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy igniter/Wico question
References: <20041220.215346.900.11.rdhaskell@juno.com><6.1.2.0.0.20041221132629.0242cff0@mail.alltel.net>
	<41C889A2.4010906@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <028c01c4e87a$44345130$6501a8c0@Shop>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy igniter/Wico question


> Dave,
> Since we are on the subject of mags for Herc's......is the bracket the 
> same whether a PR or EK (Wico's) is mounted to the bracket?
> Yes I realize we were discussing Webster brackets & ignitors, but it just 
> crossed my mind to wonder about the Wico's.
> Ron, I'm assuming you've done the s/n research and know your engine is 
> supposed to have the Webster setup and not the Wico setup???
> Curt
Boy, the only person that can answer that question with certantity is Ted 
Brookover.
An EK is side mount, my Wico book doesn't indicate they made a PR, but the 
Webster is bottom mounted.
Give Ted a shout.
Dave 




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Dec 22 15:46:08 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:46:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412220933270.94435@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <BAY4-F4B8656C4A37C32A8E1B64E7A40@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0412220933270.94435@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <A6E15000-5473-11D9-8300-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Probably worked better than a bikini wax.

On Dec 22, 2004, at 9:53 AM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> And I've even learned WHY one dances naked.  8->>

> 'Naturally. It's much too dangerous to jump through the
> fire with your clothes on!'


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From rwenig at telus.net  Wed Dec 22 16:13:04 2004
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:13:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Voltage regulator wanted
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0412220933270.94435@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <BAY4-F4B8656C4A37C32A8E1B64E7A40@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0412220933270.94435@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <41CA0D90.4090904@telus.net>

Hello List,
	I have an Onan Microlite model 2.8kw-FA/26100A genset that is in need 
of a voltage regulator. I am wondering if any one has a serviceable used 
one in their archives they would be willing to part with. Contact me off 
list if you prefer at rwenig at telus.net.

Rupert



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Dec 22 17:36:16 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:36:16 EST
Subject: [SEL] IHC LB Valves 
Message-ID: <74.49a78bfa.2efb7b10@aol.com>

Has anyone installed replacement valves in a IHC LB using non  standard 
parts?  The valves are 3 5/8" long, with a stem diameter of  5/16th, one valve head 
is 1?" in diameter, and the other is 1 3/16" in  diameter.  The original 
valves use a pin to retain the spring  assembly.  There has some discussion in the 
past about using non original  valves by reworking newer valves.  Any 
suggestions on what valves to  use?  If using a non original valve, how is the pin 
hole drilled in  the stem?  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Dec 22 19:26:36 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:26:36 -0800
Subject: [SEL] IHC LB Valves
Message-ID: <20041222.192637.820.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Francis.
I have used automotive valves in LBs.  Can't remember exactly what they
came out of, possibly small block Chevy.  Cut to rough length with cut
off disc in a Dremel.  Then finished to length on a valve grinder.  Drill
the hole with a solid carbide die drill.  Works great and was free.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:36:16 EST FRM8198 at aol.com writes:
> Has anyone installed replacement valves in a IHC LB using non  
> standard 
> parts?  The valves are 3 5/8" long, with a stem diameter of  5/16th, 
> one valve head 
> is 1?" in diameter, and the other is 1 3/16" in  diameter.  The 
> original 
> valves use a pin to retain the spring  assembly.  There has some 
> discussion in the 
> past about using non original  valves by reworking newer valves.  
> Any 
> suggestions on what valves to  use?  If using a non original valve, 
> how is the pin 
> hole drilled in  the stem?  
> 
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>


From jbcast at charter.net  Wed Dec 22 19:33:08 2004
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 3:33:08 +0000
Subject: [SEL] IHC LB Valves
Message-ID: <3khdbt$f392re@mxip05a.cluster1.charter.net>


> 
> Has anyone installed replacement valves in a IHC LB using non  standard 
> parts?  The valves are 3 5/8" long, with a stem diameter of  5/16th, one valve head 
> is 1?" in diameter, and the other is 1 3/16" in  diameter.  The original 
> valves use a pin to retain the spring  assembly.  There has some discussion in the 
> past about using non original  valves by reworking newer valves.  Any 
> suggestions on what valves to  use?  If using a non original valve, how is the pin 
> hole drilled in  the stem?  
> 
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
> 
Francis, go to an automotive head shop, they usually have plenty of old valves. Imports use an 8mm stem, within .oo2" of 5/16". The stems are usually fairly easy to drill, grind a flat to get started.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Dec 22 23:23:41 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:23:41 +1100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <200412230723.iBN7NmKd065354@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

A Merry Christmas to you all!

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Wed Dec 22 23:53:26 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 07:53:26 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Voltage regulator wanted
In-Reply-To: <41CA0D90.4090904@telus.net>
References: <BAY4-F4B8656C4A37C32A8E1B64E7A40@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0412220933270.94435@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<41CA0D90.4090904@telus.net>
Message-ID: <u8uks0ptv5t3480kik0csi6be80ikdkl0i@4ax.com>

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:13:04 -0700, you wrote:

>Hello List,
>	I have an Onan Microlite model 2.8kw-FA/26100A genset that is in need 
>of a voltage regulator. I am wondering if any one has a serviceable used 
>one in their archives they would be willing to part with. Contact me off 
>list if you prefer at rwenig at telus.net.
>
>Rupert

Post a wanted ad on Harry's Sparks 'n Arcs site, there's plenty of guys with
this stuff who look on there.

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=6

Peter




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Dec 23 03:21:30 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 06:21:30 EST
Subject: [SEL] IHC LB Valves
Message-ID: <8c.1ccbe327.2efc043a@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/22/2004 7:58:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
rdhaskell at juno.com writes:

I have  used automotive valves in LBs.  Can't remember exactly what they
came  out of, possibly small block Chevy.  Cut to rough length with cut
off  disc in a Dremel.  Then finished to length on a valve grinder.   Drill
the hole with a solid carbide die drill.  Works great and was  free.


Ron,
Thanks for the information.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Dec 23 03:23:12 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 06:23:12 EST
Subject: [SEL] IHC LB Valves
Message-ID: <dd.1c72fe26.2efc04a0@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/22/2004 8:00:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
jbcast at charter.net writes:

Francis,  go to an automotive head shop, they usually have plenty of old 
valves. Imports  use an 8mm stem, within .oo2" of 5/16". The stems are usually 
fairly easy to  drill, grind a flat to get started.


J.B.,
Thanks for the tip.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Dec 23 03:26:51 2004
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 06:26:51 EST
Subject: [SEL] IHC LA/LB Question
Message-ID: <14.3b3ea227.2efc057b@aol.com>

 
Does anyone know if International LA/ LB heads are  interchangeable?  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA




From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us  Thu Dec 23 06:47:00 2004
From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:47:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] SIAM
Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70312168E@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>

I hope the guys in southern Indiana put up pictures. I'd like to see how
a 6-horse, Herc powered snow blower works. 

Bruce Younger
Lenexa, Kansas USA
mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com
 

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From marvhed at ecenet.com  Thu Dec 23 07:35:29 2004
From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:35:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] otto serial no. list
In-Reply-To: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70312168E@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>
References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70312168E@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>
Message-ID: <53539.199.62.0.252.1103816129.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>

does anyone have a list for determining the year of mfg by serial number
for the Otto engines?

i don't have a wendel's note book.

thanks,
marv in chilly minnesota
Merry Christmas!


From BillMil357 at aol.com  Thu Dec 23 08:43:17 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:43:17 EST
Subject: [SEL] Seasons Greetings
Message-ID: <d7.1c7de241.2efc4fa5@aol.com>

Merry Christmas to everyone on the SEL.
 
Bill & Roberta Miller. 


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Dec 22 23:46:06 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:46:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)
References: <001001c4e877$d89ebb10$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>
Message-ID: <000301c4e924$f1783d20$36111bd3@athlon>

He could come here and join us in the dancing.  The temp is just perfect for
that sort of thing!!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message -----
From: "chuck emsweller" <clemsweller at earthlink.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 9:44 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)


> Hey Arnie,
>
> If you are going to dance naked, I would suguest doing it before this
> storm gets to you.  We have 14" of snow on the ground in SE Indiana as I
> write this with a potential of another 10" tonight and tomorrow morning,
> then the temps are going to -8 degrees.  I would recommend you dance
> tonight if you are going to do it this week.
>
> Merry Christmas to all!
>
> Chuck Emsweller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 9:53 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: RE: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)
>
> Hi Peg,
>
> Well, Beltane is definitely on my "occasions to dance naked in the
> moonlight" calandar.  8->>>
>
> http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5202/mayday.htm
> http://www.spiritualitea.com/sabbats/mayday.shtml
> http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art19730.asp
>
> And I've even learned WHY one dances naked.  8->>
>
> By Celtic reckoning, the actual Beltane celebration begins on sundown of
> the preceding day, April 30, because the Celts always figured their days
> from sundown to sundown. And sundown was the proper time for Druids to
> kindle the great Bel-fires on the tops of the nearest beacon hill (such
> as
> Tara Hill, Co. Meath, in Ireland). These 'need-fires' had healing
> properties, and sky-clad Witches would jump through the flames to ensure
> protection.
>
> Sgt. Howie (shocked): 'But they are naked!'
> Lord Summerisle: 'Naturally. It's much too dangerous to jump through the
> fire with your clothes on!'
>
> So now you know...  8-)))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote:
>
> > Below zero wind chills not condusive to this behavor (however Balatine
> it
> > would be OK).
> >
> > PS: in case you know know about this Pagon rite, it is the night
> before May
> > 1st or May Day.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>
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From WinkAndGinger at aol.com  Thu Dec 23 11:36:53 2004
From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:36:53 EST
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas!
Message-ID: <1cd.2ddb9772.2efc7855@aol.com>

Hi Folks,
We normally just lurk back here in the shadows soaking up a wealth of 
knowledge.
  (....just can't remember where we put it!).  But today we're coming out of 
the shadows to say......Merry Christmas to all!!

Wink & Ginger Thornton, 
Yucca Valley Ca., USA
KG6TVW, KG6TVV
The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=


From clemsweller at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 23 13:30:23 2004
From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 16:30:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)
In-Reply-To: <000301c4e924$f1783d20$36111bd3@athlon>
Message-ID: <000801c4e936$a4134a90$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>

We ended up with 24" of snow here in SE Indiana!  Just got done digging
out the drive.  Been at it since 9:00 this morning.  Temp is 21 right
now, but supposed to be 0 by tomorrow.  Come on spring time.....

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Reg &
Margaret Ingold
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 2:46 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)

He could come here and join us in the dancing.  The temp is just perfect
for
that sort of thing!!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message -----
From: "chuck emsweller" <clemsweller at earthlink.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 9:44 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)


> Hey Arnie,
>
> If you are going to dance naked, I would suguest doing it before this
> storm gets to you.  We have 14" of snow on the ground in SE Indiana as
I
> write this with a potential of another 10" tonight and tomorrow
morning,
> then the temps are going to -8 degrees.  I would recommend you dance
> tonight if you are going to do it this week.
>
> Merry Christmas to all!
>
> Chuck Emsweller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie
Fero
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 9:53 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: RE: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)
>
> Hi Peg,
>
> Well, Beltane is definitely on my "occasions to dance naked in the
> moonlight" calandar.  8->>>
>
> http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5202/mayday.htm
> http://www.spiritualitea.com/sabbats/mayday.shtml
> http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art19730.asp
>
> And I've even learned WHY one dances naked.  8->>
>
> By Celtic reckoning, the actual Beltane celebration begins on sundown
of
> the preceding day, April 30, because the Celts always figured their
days
> from sundown to sundown. And sundown was the proper time for Druids to
> kindle the great Bel-fires on the tops of the nearest beacon hill
(such
> as
> Tara Hill, Co. Meath, in Ireland). These 'need-fires' had healing
> properties, and sky-clad Witches would jump through the flames to
ensure
> protection.
>
> Sgt. Howie (shocked): 'But they are naked!'
> Lord Summerisle: 'Naturally. It's much too dangerous to jump through
the
> fire with your clothes on!'
>
> So now you know...  8-)))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote:
>
> > Below zero wind chills not condusive to this behavor (however
Balatine
> it
> > would be OK).
> >
> > PS: in case you know know about this Pagon rite, it is the night
> before May
> > 1st or May Day.
>
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec 23 17:49:47 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:49:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)
In-Reply-To: <000301c4e924$f1783d20$36111bd3@athlon>
References: <001001c4e877$d89ebb10$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>
	<000301c4e924$f1783d20$36111bd3@athlon>
Message-ID: <17662C7A-554E-11D9-AC11-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

So, you've been checking it with your temperature probe, Reg?

On Dec 23, 2004, at 2:46 AM, Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote:

> He could come here and join us in the dancing.  The temp is just 
> perfect for
> that sort of thing!!!


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From old_iron at msn.com  Thu Dec 23 21:05:33 2004
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:05:33 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas!
In-Reply-To: <1cd.2ddb9772.2efc7855@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY4-F119077EE707B1169A33861E7A60@phx.gbl>

Ho, Ho Merry Christmas!

Hope you have all finished your shopping (I punched out of Kohl's last night 
at 1:26 AM), we still had people in the store at 12:30 and we closed at 
12:00.  Today was the last day of 7 AM to Midnight.  Tomorrow we are open 7 
AM to 6 PM, I get to close tomorrow night.  Then we are closed on Christmas 
one of the 3 days a year Kohl's is closed.

Sunday is a full moon and the real fun will start all the RETURNS! and since 
I am Customer Service Area Supervisor, guess what fun I will have for the 
next 10 days!!

Happy Holidays to all, and remember to re-gift rather than return!

XOXOXOX
To the entire SEL.

Peg Pfeiffer

SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Dec 24 00:11:51 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:11:51 +1100
Subject: [SEL] from us to you
Message-ID: <005701c4e992$e62fb600$6a0d1bd3@athlon>

Wherever and whoever. We both wish you the best for Christmas and the New
Year.  Have a ball! We intend to.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Dec 24 00:36:57 2004
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:36:57 +1100
Subject: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)
References: <001001c4e877$d89ebb10$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><000301c4e924$f1783d20$36111bd3@athlon>
	<17662C7A-554E-11D9-AC11-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <008901c4e993$be4258e0$6a0d1bd3@athlon>

Didnt need to. Too hot for that!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] FINALLY, We've Turned the Corner (OT)


> So, you've been checking it with your temperature probe, Reg?
> 
> On Dec 23, 2004, at 2:46 AM, Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote:
> 
> > He could come here and join us in the dancing.  The temp is just 
> > perfect for
> > that sort of thing!!!
> 
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> 
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Fri Dec 24 01:58:20 2004
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 20:58:20 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Snow at Christmas
References: <1cd.2ddb9772.2efc7855@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001601c4e99f$1a193cf0$80c0ecdc@morris>

This is Glenn Karch's yard...  Since attachments aren't
allowed on List, thought I'd put this here. If anyone should wish to
host this for the list, I'm sure Glenn wouldn't mind.
Glenn's email:
Bruce Younger

Here is a shot from my back door. There is something over a foot deep
with drifts much higher. I think we've go most roads opened to one lane.
I-64 which is 250 feet north of my house is currently shut down to
traffic. Motorists standed everywhere.

I don't have a way to post to the list. You can post this if you wish.

Its a cold snowy Merry Christmas here.

Glenn


No problems Bruce to see Glen's picture
http://members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/Webpages/Temporary2.html

As I was lucky to stand where the picture was taken in the summer of 2001 it 
is hard to believe the difference


Kerry Morris
Lihgow NSW OZ




From driggars at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 24 02:21:08 2004
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 04:21:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] A Season Greetings for all
Message-ID: <027b01c4e9a2$4996a640$4b468304@clinton>

I want to take a moment and wish everyone a Very Merry Christmas and a =
Happy new Year.
I feel very blessed to have met so many new friends on these  groups/net =
this last year. It has been great! I am looking forward for even better =
this coming year.
I have made many Net Friends over the last 2-3 years

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year


Clint


From nancydick at keyconn.net  Fri Dec 24 07:01:16 2004
From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 07:01:16 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Snow at Christmas
In-Reply-To: <001601c4e99f$1a193cf0$80c0ecdc@morris>
References: <1cd.2ddb9772.2efc7855@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20041224065858.00b25200@mail.keyconn.net>

That looks like a lot of fun. Have that here most of the winter but not 
this year ground bare only got 8 inches so far this year. And last two days 
in the 50s all gone.
R Fink
PA





At 08:58 PM 12/24/2004 +1100, you wrote:
>This is Glenn Karch's yard...  Since attachments aren't
>allowed on List, thought I'd put this here. If anyone should wish to
>host this for the list, I'm sure Glenn wouldn't mind.
>Glenn's email:
>Bruce Younger
>
>Here is a shot from my back door. There is something over a foot deep
>with drifts much higher. I think we've go most roads opened to one lane.
>I-64 which is 250 feet north of my house is currently shut down to
>traffic. Motorists standed everywhere.
>
>I don't have a way to post to the list. You can post this if you wish.
>
>Its a cold snowy Merry Christmas here.
>
>Glenn
>
>
>No problems Bruce to see Glen's picture
>http://members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/Webpages/Temporary2.html
>
>As I was lucky to stand where the picture was taken in the summer of 2001 
>it is hard to believe the difference
>
>
>Kerry Morris
>Lihgow NSW OZ
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>




From asouth at strato.net  Fri Dec 24 05:22:05 2004
From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:22:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Greetings of the Season ...... 12 MORE SHOPPING HOURS
	LEFT! in the USA
Message-ID: <004f01c4e9bb$90de7230$a400a8c0@Arthur>

To all our friends, relatives, acquaintances, and associates:

HAPPY HANUKAH
MERRY CHRISTMAS
AND A
HAPPY NEW YEAR

ARTHUR & DEANA 




Arthur Southwell
Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A.
asouth at strato.net 


http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944


From rwenig at telus.net  Thu Dec 23 08:07:21 2004
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:07:21 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Voltage regulator wanted
In-Reply-To: <u8uks0ptv5t3480kik0csi6be80ikdkl0i@4ax.com>
References: <BAY4-F4B8656C4A37C32A8E1B64E7A40@phx.gbl>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0412220933270.94435@vegeta.city-net.com>	<41CA0D90.4090904@telus.net>
	<u8uks0ptv5t3480kik0csi6be80ikdkl0i@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <41CAED39.20902@telus.net>

Hello Peter,
	Thanks for the link. Now to see if I get any replies from my request. :-)

Rupert

Peter A Forbes wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:13:04 -0700, you wrote:
> 
> 
>>Hello List,
>>	I have an Onan Microlite model 2.8kw-FA/26100A genset that is in need 
>>of a voltage regulator. I am wondering if any one has a serviceable used 
>>one in their archives they would be willing to part with. Contact me off 
>>list if you prefer at rwenig at telus.net.
>>
>>Rupert
> 
> 
> Post a wanted ad on Harry's Sparks 'n Arcs site, there's plenty of guys with
> this stuff who look on there.
> 
> http://www.smokstak.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=6
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
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> 



From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Dec 24 07:55:37 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:55:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <20041224.105537.1060.3.jlb94@juno.com>

Merry Christmas to all  - - ;-)


Joe & Sylvia Betz

From mrengine at comcast.net  Fri Dec 24 08:31:07 2004
From: mrengine at comcast.net (mrengine at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:31:07 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <122420041631.29531.41CC444B00031E500000735B22007507440A020709020A9D03@comcast.net>

Merry Christmas to all. Let us remember the true meaning and Gods great love.
Like someone else said Merry Christmas to all  and a RUSTY new year! Frank

From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Fri Dec 24 11:26:12 2004
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 06:26:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas from OZ
References: <122420041631.29531.41CC444B00031E500000735B22007507440A020709020A9D03@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <002401c4e9ee$6f7f2bb0$80c0ecdc@morris>

well friends Christmas Day morning has arrived and off to see our two 
Grandkids open their presents, its a great time.
To all our engine friends from all over the world have a Merry and Safe 
Christmas and New Year
Hope ther may even be some new old iron to play with

Kerry and Ruth 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Dec 24 13:33:25 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:33:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas!
In-Reply-To: <BAY4-F119077EE707B1169A33861E7A60@phx.gbl>
References: <1cd.2ddb9772.2efc7855@aol.com>
	<BAY4-F119077EE707B1169A33861E7A60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041224163028.02531700@mail.alltel.net>


>XOXOXOX
>To the entire SEL.
>Peg Pfeiffer

HI Peg,
         Gee, I didn't know you were THAT kind of girl. Does Bill know 
about this? In any event, Happy Rama-Chana-Kwanzmas to you and to everyone 
on The List!
         Dave 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Dec 24 14:03:19 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:03:19 EST
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <1fa.26e2e09.2efdec27@aol.com>

May each and everyone have a very Merry Christmas!



Tom and Millie Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From page at velocitynet.com.au  Fri Dec 24 14:12:05 2004
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 09:12:05 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Merry Xmas
Message-ID: <001601c4ea05$9a534120$8a63fea9@sweeper>

Well we have just finished opening our prezzies here in OZ.  Hope all others "listers" both here and around the world have a happy day.

Ron


From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Fri Dec 24 14:52:20 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:52:20 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Seasons Greetings
Message-ID: <367ps0lrf3ulhljp7i8rner0nkvhrljpnj@4ax.com>

A quick message to everyone on the Lists to wish you all a Happy Xmas and a
prosperous and healthy New Year.

We will be in the US for Tulare in April and again for Portland's 40'th in
August, hope to see you there!

Peter & Rita




From bboyce at swat.coop  Fri Dec 24 14:55:20 2004
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:55:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] happy christmas
Message-ID: <002e01c4ea0b$a5328d70$6401a8c0@BillyBob>

best wishes to all for a happy christmas and a great holiday season !!
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas

From Vivas1993 at aol.com  Fri Dec 24 15:03:39 2004
From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:03:39 EST
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <65.3b5b240a.2efdfa4b@aol.com>


 Merry Christmas to all of the fine folks on the SEL, and may your new year 
be filled with more good old rusty toys :o)
 
 Dwight & Carolyn Vivas
 Matoaca, VA.


From froberts at dodo.com.au  Fri Dec 24 15:13:12 2004
From: froberts at dodo.com.au (Fred Roberts)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 10:13:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Greetings
References: <1c0.20e3eb05.2ed200bb@aol.com>
	<000c01c4d3ab$c22c0670$a5c5ecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <00a201c4ea0e$24b06c00$e984dccb@froberts>


Hello to all.
I too am a bit of a lurker but would like to take this opportunity to wish
you all the very best, and hope and pray the world leaders can get together
and put the real meaning back into Christmas,ie peace on earth and good will
to all.
Regards
Fred

 .



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 24 15:39:37 2004
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:39:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to All
Message-ID: <01a601c4ea11$da268e40$230110ac@PAUL>

Just wanted to say Merry Christmas to all of the List Members and wish you a very happy and prosperous New Year. Thanks to everyone for all of the help, advice, and friendship you have so freely given me over the past year and all of the years I have been on the list. May God Bless each one of you.

Paul


From WinkAndGinger at aol.com  Fri Dec 24 15:57:37 2004
From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:57:37 EST
Subject: [SEL] Lambert
Message-ID: <129.52fd597a.2efe06f1@aol.com>

Well, today we fired up the Lambert (remember the "mystery" engine?) for the 
first time!   Wow! What a super kind of gift for Christmas....and it sounds 
beautimus!!
  The homemade mixer even works!

Wink & Ginger Thornton, 
Yucca Valley Ca., USA
KG6TVW, KG6TVV
The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Dec 24 16:43:34 2004
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:43:34 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Lambert
Message-ID: <20041224.164335.668.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Pictures Wink pictures!!!

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:57:37 EST WinkAndGinger at aol.com writes:
> Well, today we fired up the Lambert (remember the "mystery" engine?) 
> for the 
> first time!   Wow! What a super kind of gift for Christmas....and it 
> sounds 
> beautimus!!
>   The homemade mixer even works!
> 
> Wink & Ginger Thornton, 
> Yucca Valley Ca., USA
> KG6TVW, KG6TVV
> The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=


From oldengines at bigpond.com  Fri Dec 24 17:23:04 2004
From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron & Liz Sullivan)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 12:23:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas 
Message-ID: <003201c4ea20$486c32c0$abe18690@ronliz1>

Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year!

Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all.... and a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2005, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make Australia great (not to imply that Australia is necessarily greater that any other country), and without regard to the race, creed, colour, age, physical ability, religious faith, choice of computer platform, or sexual preference of the wishee. 
By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for her/himself or others, and is void where prohibited by law, and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher. 
In other words,

 Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!!! 

Ron & Liz Sullivan and family


From solarrog at pacbell.net  Fri Dec 24 17:58:58 2004
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:58:58 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas 
References: <003201c4ea20$486c32c0$abe18690@ronliz1>
Message-ID: <006f01c4ea25$4cd62a50$13f1af40@solar>

Ron Lay off the Nog
happy holidays

Roger DiRuscio,  Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont
Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor
scooters and bicycle motors. Pivate pilot 1981.  Fremont,Ca 94555
510-797-4000
Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly
web site.     scrapologist.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron & Liz Sullivan" <oldengines at bigpond.com>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 5:23 PM
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas


Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year!

Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an
environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive,
gender neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within
the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or
practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions
and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or
secular traditions at all.... and a fiscally successful, personally
fulfilling, and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the
generally accepted calendar year 2005, but not without due respect for the
calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have
helped make Australia great (not to imply that Australia is necessarily
greater that any other country), and without regard to the race, creed,
colour, age, physical ability, religious faith, choice of computer platform,
or sexual preference of the wishee.
By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting is
subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with no
alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by the wisher to
actually implement any of the wishes for her/himself or others, and is void
where prohibited by law, and is revocable at the sole discretion of the
wisher. This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual
application of good tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance
of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is
limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole
discretion of the wisher.
In other words,

 Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!!!

Ron & Liz Sullivan and family
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Fri Dec 24 20:56:34 2004
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 20:56:34 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <41CCF302.ADB4942C@wightman.ca>

Hi All,

Sandy, Morgan and I would like to wish all our friends on the list a
very Merry Christmas.
Hard to believe how long I have been on this list. :-)

Duncan, Sandy and Morgan Denman

--
Duncan and Sandy Denman
Ayton, Ontario, Canada
Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca
Visit our Home Page at:
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/
Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry




From garyepps at fidnet.com  Fri Dec 24 18:10:03 2004
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 20:10:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] MERRY CHRISTMAS
Message-ID: <41CCCBFB.1010808@fidnet.com>

MERRY CHRISTMAS to all and to all a good night!

Gary Epps
-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Fri Dec 24 19:30:52 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:30:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS
In-Reply-To: <41CCCBFB.1010808@fidnet.com>
References: <41CCCBFB.1010808@fidnet.com>
Message-ID: <61023D48-5625-11D9-AC04-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> MERRY CHRISTMAS to all and to all a good night!

God bless us, every one!

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Dec 24 22:22:12 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 01:22:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
In-Reply-To: <41CCF302.ADB4942C@wightman.ca>
References: <41CCF302.ADB4942C@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <41CD0714.7020709@scrtc.com>

Best wishes to all my SEL friends and my greatest hopes that you have a 
very Merry Christmas.  I pray that in 2005 you find a year filled with 
joy and happiness.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Dec 24 22:52:51 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 01:52:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snow at Christmas
In-Reply-To: <001601c4e99f$1a193cf0$80c0ecdc@morris>
References: <1cd.2ddb9772.2efc7855@aol.com>
	<001601c4e99f$1a193cf0$80c0ecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041225014233.025fc910@mail.alltel.net>


>Here is a shot from my back door. There is something over a foot deep
>with drifts much higher. I think we've go most roads opened to one lane.
>I-64 which is 250 feet north of my house is currently shut down to
>traffic. Motorists standed everywhere.
>Glenn
>No problems Bruce to see Glen's picture
>http://members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/Webpages/Temporary2.html
>As I was lucky to stand where the picture was taken in the summer of 2001 
>it is hard to believe the difference
>Kerry Morris

I drove to Indianapolis IN on Thursday and then back today in order to pick 
up my truck which had broken a transmission when I was there on last 
Sunday. I-70 was closed last night at mile 46, 44, 41 and one other place 
(which I now forget/repress.) The usual 6 hour trip (370 miles) took 13 
hours. This morning I-65 and I-71 were both closed for about 4 hours while 
salt was applied and plowing was done. The Indiana workers did a good job 
and travel was getting better as the hours passed. The trip home only took 
8 1/2 hours!
         Dave 



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Dec 24 23:12:59 2004
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 23:12:59 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Lambert
In-Reply-To: <20041224.164335.668.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200412250713.iBP7D24J071215@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


> Pictures Wink pictures!!!


Pictures, Ginger pictures!









From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Dec 21 07:21:29 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:21:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT Christmas Silliness
References: <DB3D1254-52E0-11D9-B2E3-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
	<009201c4e710$72d262e0$966e8645@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV28E80A11BA410F4C852FC8BBA30@phx.gbl>

Dat's one happy family.

Happy Holidays, Culps!!

RickinMt.


>
>
> > The other night I posted a pic Jennifer took of her mom in the
> > groundhog hat I bought her last year for Groundhog Day:
> > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/Eeee!.jpg
> >
> > So, in fairness: Here's a pic of me shot by my daughter the other night:
> > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/santa.jpg
> >
> > Here's a pic of the photographer posing with her mom:
> > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/red_&_green.jpg
> >
> > John Culp
> > Bristol, Tennessee, USA 


From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sat Dec 25 00:05:13 2004
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 08:05:13 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <MvK5Qx958RzBFw1L@loud-n-clear.net>

Wishing you all a Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous New Year.

No snow here (yet) but it's -4 C or about 25 F and a hard frost despite 
the wind...

All the best

      Pete

North Shropshire, England
-- 
Peter Scales


From bwiebelhaus at cox.net  Fri Dec 24 20:35:07 2004
From: bwiebelhaus at cox.net (Wiebelhaus)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 21:35:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Re: [AJD] MERRY CHRISTMAS
In-Reply-To: <41CCCBFB.1010808@fidnet.com>
References: <41CCCBFB.1010808@fidnet.com>
Message-ID: <41CCEDFB.3060104@cox.net>

Merry Christmas everyone!!!

Brad Wiebelhaus

Gary Epps wrote:

> MERRY CHRISTMAS to all and to all a good night!
>
> Gary Epps



From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Dec 25 06:34:13 2004
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 14:34:13 -0000
Subject: [SEL] seasons gretings from Scotland
Message-ID: <004c01c4ea8e$d284f140$0697e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi All, 

        I would like to wish everyone on the list a very merry christmas and good health for 2005.
        The snow arrived here over night , but we only have a couple of inches at the moment , nothing that we can't handdle unlike our southern cousins. 
        Happy holidays to one and all and enjoy them whilst there here as they don't last long enough.

        See you latter ,
                                Craig in Scotland

From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Dec 25 07:31:46 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 08:31:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Happy Holidays
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV21B55AC5553EBCCE1EAFE5BBA70@phx.gbl>

  And from the Strobel's in Montana, we wish you all the very best.

Take Care
Rick and Kathy Strobel w/Spudhead on the side.
http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc


From rexhinz at chorus.net  Sat Dec 25 08:47:31 2004
From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 10:47:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas Everone !
Message-ID: <000701c4eaa1$75cbc7e0$3786a5d8@mycomputer>

MERRY CHRISTMAS  TO ALL !



From Peterwoodmore at aol.com  Sat Dec 25 14:19:53 2004
From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 17:19:53 EST
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas Everone !
Message-ID: <141.3be98900.2eff4189@aol.com>

Merry Christmas to all on the ;list and may Santa leave an inverted Crossley 
under your tree

Woody
peterwoodmore at aol.com
27 Craig Av
Moorebank 2170
NSW
Australia


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Dec 25 14:32:40 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 17:32:40 EST
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas 
Message-ID: <1ca.2def942b.2eff4488@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/24/2004 8:37:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
oldengines at bigpond.com writes:

<< 
 Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an 
environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, 
gender neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the 
most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or 
practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions 
and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular 
traditions at all.... and a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and 
medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted 
calendar year 2005, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other 
cultures whose contributions to society have helped make Australia great (not 
to imply that Australia is necessarily greater that any other country), and 
without regard to the race, creed, colour, age, physical ability, religious 
faith, choice of computer platform, or sexual preference of the wishee. 
 By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting is 
subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with no 
alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by the wisher to 
actually implement any of the wishes for her/himself or others, and is void where 
prohibited by law, and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher. This 
wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual application of good 
tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday 
greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of 
this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher.  >>

Do not believe I ever heard, but are you a lawyer Ron?  Surely you did not 
come up with all those words without the help of someone in the that field of 
employment!

Have a good one!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 25 14:46:18 2004
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 22:46:18 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
Message-ID: <BAY103-F23CC8092898CC3D6CEF28FC8A70@phx.gbl>

Well, the presents were all opened this morning and all the kids are playing 
this evening. Had a big dinner with ham, mashed potatoes, green beans, 
cranberries, pumpkin pie, and strawberry rhubarb pie. Fire in the fire place 
with Christmas music playing tonight. Nice to spend quality time with the 
family. Wanted to sit down at the computer and wish all my friends around 
the world a Merry Christmas. May God bless you and keep you and your 
families safe in 2005. Hope to see lots of you at the shows this coming 
year. We have alot to be thankful for.

Luke and Shirley Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Dec 25 15:04:25 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:04:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] VERY Addictive!
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041225180341.025c1238@mail.alltel.net>

Something to fill the days until show season!

Click to make the penguin jump and then click again in - time to
make the polar bear swing the bat to hit the penguin across the
ice!  Very addictive ! ! ! http://n.ethz.ch/student/mkos/pinguin.swf

	Dave 



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Dec 25 16:56:18 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 19:56:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] VERY Addictive!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041225180341.025c1238@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041225180341.025c1238@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <F3BCFD88-56D8-11D9-94F0-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Here's a version you might like even better, Dave:
http://www.funnypics.cc/media/penguin_bloody.php

John

On Dec 25, 2004, at 6:04 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Something to fill the days until show season!
>
> Click to make the penguin jump and then click again in - time to
> make the polar bear swing the bat to hit the penguin across the
> ice!  Very addictive ! ! ! http://n.ethz.ch/student/mkos/pinguin.swf
>
> 	Dave


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Dec 25 18:19:19 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 21:19:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Christmas Isn't Over Yet
Message-ID: <8CAEFC82-56E4-11D9-B82A-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Just recorded a take of "Silent Night" on my new electric guitar I got 
for my birthday a while back. It's a first run, not perfect, but while 
I was doing it Jane was yakking on the portable phone, squeaking the 
back door and such, which she's still ding, so I thought I'd better 
take what I could get!

Here it is: http://oldengine.org/members/culp/SilentNight.mp3

Merry Christmas, everybody!

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From ELIDAS at aol.com  Sat Dec 25 18:43:17 2004
From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 21:43:17 EST
Subject: [SEL] Re:Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <7e.5fb80caa.2eff7f45@aol.com>

Merry Christmas!
  Mike Semanoff


From old_iron at msn.com  Sat Dec 25 19:13:15 2004
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 21:13:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] VERY Addictive!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041225180341.025c1238@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <BAY4-F24C36F57230C662FEBE54E7980@phx.gbl>

Only someone with your rather unique sense of humor would find this 
additing.

Happy Holidays,
Peg

>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] VERY Addictive!
>Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:04:25 -0500
>
>Something to fill the days until show season!
>
>Click to make the penguin jump and then click again in - time to
>make the polar bear swing the bat to hit the penguin across the
>ice!  Very addictive ! ! ! http://n.ethz.ch/student/mkos/pinguin.swf
>
>	Dave
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Dec 25 20:16:18 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 23:16:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Christmas Isn't Over Yet--Still More
In-Reply-To: <8CAEFC82-56E4-11D9-B82A-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
References: <8CAEFC82-56E4-11D9-B82A-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <E462F8EE-56F4-11D9-AF4C-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Here's yet another, "Rudolph": 
http://oldengine.org/members/culp/Rudolph.MP3

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From weolson at wiktel.com  Sat Dec 25 20:33:14 2004
From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 22:33:14 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <41CE3F0A.8080002@wiktel.com>

  Up here in far Northern Minnesota, by the Canadian border, we awoke to
-30 degrees F on Thursday, the day before Christmas, not much snow yet, 
but just a little cooler than some of you experienced.
    Merry Christmas to all. Let us remember the true meaning of the birth
of God's Son and Gods great love Gift to us.

William Olson
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From WinkAndGinger at aol.com  Sat Dec 25 21:30:59 2004
From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 00:30:59 EST
Subject: [SEL] VERY Addictive!
Message-ID: <c4.1d78abc5.2effa693@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/25/2004 7:15:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
old_iron at msn.com writes:


> Only someone with your rather unique sense of humor would find this 
> additing.
> 
> Happy Holidays,
> Peg
> 

uh oh!!   Peg just put me in the same category as Dave.....I'm a goner!!

Wink & Ginger Thornton, 
Yucca Valley Ca., USA
KG6TVW, KG6TVV
The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=


From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 26 05:50:24 2004
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 05:50:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] transaxle axle shaft needed
Message-ID: <20041226135024.8765.qmail@web14124.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi folks,
I'm in need of an axle for a Peerless, I think, Model number 1708A, other numbers on the tag are, 143,  and 4098 6390.  The axle needs to be about 13-3/4" long by 1" dia. It will have a 1/4" key slot to attach the hub, and will be splined on the internal end and the bevel gear is held on with a snap ring. 
Anyone got one they don't need and will part with?
Thanks
Ron  



Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0

  http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846

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From oldengin at udata.com  Sun Dec 26 06:34:19 2004
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 09:34:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] VERY Addictive!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041225180341.025c1238@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041225180341.025c1238@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <41CECBEB.4060603@udata.com>

Click to make the penguin jump and then click again in - time to make 
the polar bear swing the bat to hit the penguin across the ice!  Very 
addictive ! ! ! http://n.ethz.ch/student/mkos/pinguin.swf

>
>     Dave

No I am not an addict.... but 347.2 is my best??? and I will keep you 
posted.

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From Carrowor2002 at att.net  Sun Dec 26 06:51:42 2004
From: Carrowor2002 at att.net (Bob)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 09:51:42 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] VERY Addictive!
References: <41CECBEB.4060603@udata.com>
Message-ID: <41CECFFE.000004.54359@COMPUTER>

354.6 here  LOL

S.O.B, 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: The SEL email discussion list
Date: 12/26/04 09:42:15
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] VERY Addictive!
 
Click to make the penguin jump and then click again in - time to make
the polar bear swing the bat to hit the penguin across the ice!  Very
addictive ! ! ! http://n.ethz.ch/student/mkos/pinguin.swf
 
>
>     Dave
 
No I am not an addict.... but 347.2 is my best??? and I will keep you
posted.
 
--
   C-ya
 
     Leroy Clark
 
"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE
 
 
better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark
 
 
 
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SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Dec 26 09:45:11 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:45:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] VERY Addictive!
In-Reply-To: <41CECFFE.000004.54359@COMPUTER>
References: <41CECBEB.4060603@udata.com> <41CECFFE.000004.54359@COMPUTER>
Message-ID: <E4135C0E-5765-11D9-94E9-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

My personal best with the bloody version with land mines is 1200 
something.

John

> 354.6 here  LOL
>
> S.O.B,
>

> No I am not an addict.... but 347.2 is my best??? and I will keep you
> posted.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Dec 26 09:48:40 2004
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:48:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Happy Boxing Day
Message-ID: <1104083320.41cef978e7519@webmail.city-net.com>

Hiya Folks,

May the Rustafarians drop heaps of neat olde iron beside your sheds to keep you
busy through the rest of winter.  And don't forget that its still not too late
to dance naked in the moonlight.  You HAVE noticed that the days are getting
longer right?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

PS - GO STEELERS!!  One for the thumb!!



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 26 10:21:28 2004
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 10:21:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] VERY Addictive!
In-Reply-To: <41CECBEB.4060603@udata.com>
Message-ID: <20041226182128.10626.qmail@web61301.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey Leroy,
I don't really shoot for the long hit. 321 is my best so far.
I just got three pop flys in a row though,,,,
I like seeing that penguin do a nose dive at 200 yards.
 
Thanks Dave!!!!
 
Alan Bowen on Yahoo

"Leroy C." <oldengin at udata.com> wrote:
Click to make the penguin jump and then click again in - time to make 
the polar bear swing the bat to hit the penguin across the ice! Very 
addictive ! ! ! http://n.ethz.ch/student/mkos/pinguin.swf

>
> Dave

No I am not an addict.... but 347.2 is my best??? and I will keep you 
posted.

-- 
C-ya

Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark



		
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From Aermoter at aol.com  Sun Dec 26 11:44:57 2004
From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 14:44:57 EST
Subject: [SEL] VERY Addictive!
Message-ID: <1fb.270b161.2f006eb9@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/26/2004 8:45:34 AM Central Standard Time, 
oldengin at udata.com writes:
but 347.2 is my best??? 
379.0 but that included a long slide on the ice

Tim Christoff
Basehor, Ks.
Aermoter at aol.com


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Dec 26 12:12:13 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:12:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] VERY Addictive!
In-Reply-To: <1fb.270b161.2f006eb9@aol.com>
References: <1fb.270b161.2f006eb9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6E46CF2A-577A-11D9-94E9-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Y'all need to try the bloody version. If you can get good hits on the 
landmines, they really keep that penguin head a-hoppin'!

John

On Dec 26, 2004, at 2:44 PM, Aermoter at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 12/26/2004 8:45:34 AM Central Standard Time,
> oldengin at udata.com writes:
> but 347.2 is my best???
> 379.0 but that included a long slide on the ice


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Dec 27 04:16:19 2004
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:16:19 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Happy Boxing Day
Message-ID: <122720041216.11180.745c@mchsi.com>

Ok Arnie, not all those on list know what "Happy Boxing Day" is, I do, but 
lets see about your iq??????
Curt
> Hiya Folks,
> 
> May the Rustafarians drop heaps of neat olde iron beside your sheds to keep you
> busy through the rest of winter.  And don't forget that its still not too late
> to dance naked in the moonlight.  You HAVE noticed that the days are getting
> longer right?  8-))
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> PS - GO STEELERS!!  One for the thumb!!
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Dec 27 04:26:08 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 07:26:08 EST
Subject: [SEL] Happy Boxing Day
Message-ID: <e3.9a13552.2f015960@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/27/2004 7:17:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
cgandree at mchsi.com writes:

<< Ok Arnie, not all those on list know what "Happy Boxing Day" is, I do, but 
 lets see about your iq?????? >>


The day after Christmas, the Feast of St. Stephen, the first Christian 
martyr, is better known as Boxing Day. The term may come from the opening of church 
poor boxes that day; maybe from the earthenware boxes with which boy 
apprentices collected money at the doors of their masters' clients.

Sorry to answer, but figured Arnie needed help on Monday morning after all 
the Christmas cheer!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Dec 27 04:38:42 2004
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:38:42 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Happy Boxing Day
Message-ID: <122720041238.16288.3b2@mchsi.com>

Ohhhh Tom, you blew it...should of let Arnie struggle with it because I am 
sure he learned a different story from his past visits to english pubs and it 
would of been distored.
Curt
> In a message dated 12/27/2004 7:17:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
> cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
> 
> << Ok Arnie, not all those on list know what "Happy Boxing Day" is, I do, but 
>  lets see about your iq?????? >>
> 
> 
> The day after Christmas, the Feast of St. Stephen, the first Christian 
> martyr, is better known as Boxing Day. The term may come from the opening of 
> church 
> poor boxes that day; maybe from the earthenware boxes with which boy 
> apprentices collected money at the doors of their masters' clients.
> 
> Sorry to answer, but figured Arnie needed help on Monday morning after all 
> the Christmas cheer!
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From prepair at easynet.co.uk  Mon Dec 27 05:07:21 2004
From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:07:21 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Happy Boxing Day
In-Reply-To: <122720041238.16288.3b2@mchsi.com>
References: <122720041238.16288.3b2@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <n720t0lmt78b88ggvt5ak29t99kg12kurr@4ax.com>

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:38:42 +0000, you wrote:

>Ohhhh Tom, you blew it...should of let Arnie struggle with it because I am 
>sure he learned a different story from his past visits to english pubs and it 
>would of been distored.
>Curt
>> In a message dated 12/27/2004 7:17:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
>> cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
>> 
>> << Ok Arnie, not all those on list know what "Happy Boxing Day" is, I do, but 
>>  lets see about your iq?????? >>
>> 
>> 
>> The day after Christmas, the Feast of St. Stephen, the first Christian 
>> martyr, is better known as Boxing Day. The term may come from the opening of 
>> church 
>> poor boxes that day; maybe from the earthenware boxes with which boy 
>> apprentices collected money at the doors of their masters' clients.
>> 
>> Sorry to answer, but figured Arnie needed help on Monday morning after all 
>> the Christmas cheer!
>> 
>> Tom Schmutz

http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/boxing.asp


Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK
prepair at easynet.co.uk
http://www.prepair.co.uk




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Dec 27 05:51:55 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 06:51:55 -0700
Subject: [SEL] NPT taps
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV176B83FD8B7DB3CF7F3F34BB990@phx.gbl>

  Howdy list.  It was a good one here and we had a White Christmas.  13 
above now with little snow...jus perfect.
  Well for Christmas, I got a set of NPT taps.  Question I've had for a long 
time is "How far do you turn a pipe thread tap in?"  Usually on a die I turn 
it until 2 threads are showing.


  HELP

RickinMt.
http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Dec 27 06:07:45 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 07:07:45 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Restoration
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV3061F6B89D30A60F74F0DCBB990@phx.gbl>

  Another question please and this is in regards to a 1 1/2 IHC M.
  What would an antique engine expert be looking for when accessing the 
originality of an engine?

Sorry if this has been beat to death in a previous thread.

TIA
RickinMt.
http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 


From oldengin at udata.com  Mon Dec 27 06:14:15 2004
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:14:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] NPT taps
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV176B83FD8B7DB3CF7F3F34BB990@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY3-DAV176B83FD8B7DB3CF7F3F34BB990@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41D018B7.8020501@udata.com>

Richard Strobel wrote:

>  Howdy list.  It was a good one here and we had a White Christmas.  13 
>above now with little snow...jus perfect.
>  Well for Christmas, I got a set of NPT taps.  Question I've had for a long 
>time is "How far do you turn a pipe thread tap in?"  Usually on a die I turn 
>it until 2 threads are showing.
>  
>
"I" turn mine even with the tap, this will start your pipe into the die 
section easy..  ps 3 outside right now!

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 27 06:15:06 2004
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 06:15:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] NPT taps
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV176B83FD8B7DB3CF7F3F34BB990@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20041227141506.8647.qmail@web14102.mail.yahoo.com>

Good question Rick.  Can't tell you just how far it should go in, but a professional pipefitter told me once that you should be able to ingage a pipe thread into its fitting 4 to 5 turns by hand to get a proper seal. I guess you could fit and try until you got the 4-5 turns then check the tap to see just how many threads are showing.
 
Ron

Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
Howdy list. It was a good one here and we had a White Christmas. 13 
above now with little snow...jus perfect.
Well for Christmas, I got a set of NPT taps. Question I've had for a long 
time is "How far do you turn a pipe thread tap in?" Usually on a die I turn 
it until 2 threads are showing.


HELP

RickinMt.
http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Dec 27 06:43:51 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:43:51 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Restoration
References: <BAY3-DAV3061F6B89D30A60F74F0DCBB990@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000d01c4ec22$7b5333b0$3e636854@Sixmjohn>


Rick, I would say the engine has all the original parts for its
type of engine without selfmade parts or welds, traces of the
factory paint would be a plus.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web


>   Another question please and this is in regards to a 1 1/2 IHC M.
>   What would an antique engine expert be looking for when accessing the 
> originality of an engine?
> 
> Sorry if this has been beat to death in a previous thread.
> 
> TIA
> RickinMt.
> http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Dec 27 07:37:55 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:37:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] NPT taps
In-Reply-To: <20041227141506.8647.qmail@web14102.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041227141506.8647.qmail@web14102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41D02C53.3020407@scrtc.com>


Rick,

    Part of this would depend on if you threaded the pipe yourself or 
purchased one already threaded.  If you thread yourself, then you also 
have to determine how far up to thread (and if you're like me and have 
an adjustable set of pipe dies, it really can make you scratch your 
head).  A thread you make will sometimes have a slightly larger diameter 
than a "factory thread".   I usually run the tap 1/2 way in.  Since pipe 
threads are tapered, as long as you are able to get 4 to 5 threads 
started good and then are able to tighten the pipe without "bottoming 
out" the treads on it, you're in good shape.  Another key is to always 
use teflon tape.  One it will seal the treads and two, it sure makes 
taking this stuff apart easier after its been setting for 10 years.  If 
you are sealing gasoline, natural gas, or propane, be sure the teflon 
tape is suitable for that use.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote:

>Good question Rick.  Can't tell you just how far it should go in, but a professional pipefitter told me once that you should be able to ingage a pipe thread into its fitting 4 to 5 turns by hand to get a proper seal. I guess you could fit and try until you got the 4-5 turns then check the tap to see just how many threads are showing.
>  
>




From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 27 13:31:21 2004
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:31:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT: Christmas Isn't Over Yet--Still More
References: <8CAEFC82-56E4-11D9-B82A-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
	<E462F8EE-56F4-11D9-AF4C-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <006001c4ec5b$691cf120$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>

Picture this
 Xmas morning , I'm on the back porch with an amp playing the theme from
jackass while the boys chase each other around in a foot of fresh snow .
Surreal sight in South Texas , so we made a snow bandido  with a  ponson,
sombrero , and  machete  ,  and then a big  Olmec  head  .





From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Dec 27 15:14:13 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 00:14:13 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT: Christmas Isn't Over Yet--Still More
References: <8CAEFC82-56E4-11D9-B82A-00039352D07A@chartertn.net><E462F8EE-56F4-11D9-AF4C-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
	<006001c4ec5b$691cf120$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
Message-ID: <000801c4ec69$c7ef3380$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

Hey Chuck how was the Tequia tasting?

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



> Picture this
>  Xmas morning , I'm on the back porch with an amp playing the theme from
> jackass while the boys chase each other around in a foot of fresh snow .
> Surreal sight in South Texas , so we made a snow bandido  with a  ponson,
> sombrero , and  machete  ,  and then a big  Olmec  head  .
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Dec 27 15:32:59 2004
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:32:59 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT...Tsunami
Message-ID: <001f01c4ec6c$6ac75d10$baa226ca@ogborneuah38i3>

Having lived and worked in a place that was not that far from the epicentre
i can picture the devastation .It is luck and nothing else that that spares
us from being involved. My wife and i said '' bugger the Xmas cards this
year'' .So we donated to World Vision ............hope some of that money
gets through to those that need it.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Dec 27 15:34:24 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:34:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Christmas Isn't Over Yet--Still More
In-Reply-To: <006001c4ec5b$691cf120$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
References: <8CAEFC82-56E4-11D9-B82A-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
	<E462F8EE-56F4-11D9-AF4C-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
	<006001c4ec5b$691cf120$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net>
Message-ID: <D7B6F7C9-585F-11D9-A829-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

Good clean family fun!

John

On Dec 27, 2004, at 4:31 PM, <kerogas at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Picture this
>  Xmas morning , I'm on the back porch with an amp playing the theme 
> from
> jackass while the boys chase each other around in a foot of fresh snow 
> .
> Surreal sight in South Texas , so we made a snow bandido  with a  
> ponson,
> sombrero , and  machete  ,  and then a big  Olmec  head  .


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Dec 28 01:46:08 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:46:08 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Crossley before and after
Message-ID: <200412280946.iBS9k7So011734@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

I spent this afternoon helping a mate get the bugs out of a newly finished
Crossley J. It still need some bedding in but it is running quite well.
Here is what it looked like when purchased:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/milbauct/auct2003_0809AX.JPG
and here is what it looks like now:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122802.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122805.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122806.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122810.JPG


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Tue Dec 28 03:23:01 2004
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:23:01 +1100
Subject: [SEL] White engine
Message-ID: <002a01c4eccf$988bca20$3485dccb@oemcomputer>

Hi people.Brock has asked me to let all know that he has got his side shaft
vertical White up and going at last.He phoned me yesterday so that I could
here it running and again today after he had done some fine tuning and it is
sounding great.His puter is out of action and won't be fixed for about a
week.He has assured me that he will post some pics when he is back on
line.This is one rare and desirable engine and he has done a fine job from
very sad beginnings.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Dec 28 04:36:28 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:36:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Crossley before and after
In-Reply-To: <200412280946.iBS9k7So011734@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <200412280946.iBS9k7So011734@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <41D1534C.3080807@scrtc.com>

Patrick,

    Super Job!!  Looks like you put several hours in on that baby.  And, 
what a baby it now is!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KH

Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

>I spent this afternoon helping a mate get the bugs out of a newly finished
>Crossley J. It still need some bedding in but it is running quite well.
>Here is what it looked like when purchased:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/milbauct/auct2003_0809AX.JPG
>and here is what it looks like now:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122802.JPG
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122805.JPG
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122806.JPG
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122810.JPG
>
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>
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>
>
>  
>



From marvhed at ecenet.com  Tue Dec 28 04:49:29 2004
From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 06:49:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] NPT taps
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV176B83FD8B7DB3CF7F3F34BB990@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY3-DAV176B83FD8B7DB3CF7F3F34BB990@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <46912.199.62.0.252.1104238169.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>

about 2/3 to 3/4 of the threads deep, leave 1/3 to 1/4 of the threads
showing. test with a pipe plug.
on steel, i use cutting oil, on cast iron, i do it dry.
be sure to use a 1/4 turn advance-1/3 turn back motion when taping.
if you keep taping continually without the forward and back motion on the
tap handle, the tap will plug with chips and break. there is no warning
either :-))


marv in minn


>   Howdy list.  It was a good one here and we had a White Christmas.  13
> above now with little snow...jus perfect.
>   Well for Christmas, I got a set of NPT taps.  Question I've had for a
> long
> time is "How far do you turn a pipe thread tap in?"  Usually on a die I
> turn
> it until 2 threads are showing.
>
>
>   HELP
>
> RickinMt.
> http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Dec 28 05:14:08 2004
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:14:08 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Happy Boxing Day
Message-ID: <122820041314.9414.30f6@mchsi.com>

Very good Peter, when I asked someone else the other day (a knowledgable Brit 
whom we both know) I first got the cleanup after Christmas story then he 
decided to get the real story from goggle.   Did you get out for the Steam 
Tractor parade?
regards,
Curt Andree
> On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:38:42 +0000, you wrote:
> 
> >Ohhhh Tom, you blew it...should of let Arnie struggle with it because I am 
> >sure he learned a different story from his past visits to english pubs and it 
> >would of been distored.
> >Curt
> >> In a message dated 12/27/2004 7:17:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
> >> cgandree at mchsi.com writes:
> >> 
> >> << Ok Arnie, not all those on list know what "Happy Boxing Day" is, I do, but 
> >>  lets see about your iq?????? >>
> >> 
> >> 
> >> The day after Christmas, the Feast of St. Stephen, the first Christian 
> >> martyr, is better known as Boxing Day. The term may come from the opening of 
> >> church 
> >> poor boxes that day; maybe from the earthenware boxes with which boy 
> >> apprentices collected money at the doors of their masters' clients.
> >> 
> >> Sorry to answer, but figured Arnie needed help on Monday morning after all 
> >> the Christmas cheer!
> >> 
> >> Tom Schmutz
> 
> http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/boxing.asp
> 
> 
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes

> Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK
> prepair at easynet.co.uk
> http://www.prepair.co.uk
> 
> 
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From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Tue Dec 28 07:11:51 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (diesel at easynet.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:11:51 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Happy Boxing Day
In-Reply-To: <122820041314.9414.30f6@mchsi.com>
References: <122820041314.9414.30f6@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <1104246711.41d177b710c03@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk>

Quoting cgandree at mchsi.com:

> Very good Peter, when I asked someone else the other day (a knowledgable Brit
> 
> whom we both know) I first got the cleanup after Christmas story then he 
> decided to get the real story from goggle.   Did you get out for the Steam 
> Tractor parade?
> regards,
> Curt Andree

Hi Curt:

We always used to believe as kids it was because of the sporting links that 
Boxing Day was so called, now we know differently!  I don't know how true that 
explanation is, you'd have to go way back to get to the bottom of the name 
methinks.

Regarding the steam rally, we haven't been out of the factory this past week or 
two apart from Xmas day itself. We have a large couple of jobs to get out, one 
for delivery to Scotland this week, so we have nearly all been at work.   

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: diesel at easynet.co.uk
Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Dec 28 08:43:34 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:43:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] NPT taps
In-Reply-To: <46912.199.62.0.252.1104238169.squirrel@admintool.trueband. net>
References: <BAY3-DAV176B83FD8B7DB3CF7F3F34BB990@phx.gbl>
	<46912.199.62.0.252.1104238169.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041228114054.021e63d8@mail.alltel.net>


>be sure to use a 1/4 turn advance-1/3 turn back motion when taping.
>if you keep taping continually without the forward and back motion on the
>tap handle, the tap will plug with chips and break. there is no warning
>either :-))
>marv in minn

Hi marve, Do you want to rethink this "1/4 turn advance-1/3 turn back" 
advice, or shall we just wait and see how many people are unable to keep 
the tap in the hole while following it?
         Dave 



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Dec 28 08:56:02 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:56:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] NPT taps
References: <BAY3-DAV176B83FD8B7DB3CF7F3F34BB990@phx.gbl><46912.199.62.0.252.1104238169.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041228114054.021e63d8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV237A3DD9FE9BABBF537633BB9A0@phx.gbl>

I understood whatcha meant Marv as I've came darn close to sticking one.

  Many thanks to those who replied!!

Headed for the shed.
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] NPT taps


>
> >be sure to use a 1/4 turn advance-1/3 turn back motion when taping.
> >if you keep taping continually without the forward and back motion on the
> >tap handle, the tap will plug with chips and break. there is no warning
> >either :-))
> >marv in minn
>
> Hi marve, Do you want to rethink this "1/4 turn advance-1/3 turn back"
> advice, or shall we just wait and see how many people are unable to keep
> the tap in the hole while following it?
>          Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
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> 


From marvhed at ecenet.com  Tue Dec 28 09:38:59 2004
From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:38:59 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] NPT taps
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041228114054.021e63d8@mail.alltel.net>
References: <BAY3-DAV176B83FD8B7DB3CF7F3F34BB990@phx.gbl><46912.199.62.0.252.1104238169.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041228114054.021e63d8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <11565.199.62.0.252.1104255539.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>

nah, we'll just lettum try it :-))
marv in minn

>
>>be sure to use a 1/4 turn advance-1/3 turn back motion when taping.
>>if you keep taping continually without the forward and back motion on the
>>tap handle, the tap will plug with chips and break. there is no warning
>>either :-))
>>marv in minn
>
> Hi marve, Do you want to rethink this "1/4 turn advance-1/3 turn back"
> advice, or shall we just wait and see how many people are unable to keep
> the tap in the hole while following it?
>          Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From linstrum55 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 28 10:11:53 2004
From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:11:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] pipe taps, threads, and fittings
Message-ID: <20041228181153.5604.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi, guys,

I have been absent from here for about two years but through the good
offices of John Culp I have returned. My old Pentium 1 computer was so
slow I couldn?t participate in a lot of things in general on the
Internet simply because the processor speed was so slow. I upgraded to
a 2.6 GHz Celeron computer and now it is a lot better, just my
extremely rural phone line now being the limiting factor by not
supporting a decent modem speed. 

When I use a pipe tap I run it in about half way and then check for
thread engagement of the fitting of the part that screws into it.
According to Machinery?s Handbook the minimum number of turns of pipe
thread engagement is five BY HAND. After five turns by hand, I use a
rule thumb to find the final tightening torque by using the torque that
is applied to a coarse pitch low strength soft steel bolt that
corresponds to the actual outside diameter of the pipe in question.
Remember that the pipe size and its actual inside and outside diameters
are not very closely related, especially at smaller sizes! With brass
and aluminum fittings the torque has to be considerably less and a lot
of care has to be used. I use the torque table at:

http://www.thelenchannel.com/1torque.html  

Teflon thread sealant has been an absolute godsend for pipe threads and
I have had perfectly good hand tight leak-proof seals for ?? pipe at
2100 psi on oxygen tank lines. A word of warning, with oxygen the only
safe thread sealant is Teflon, if a sealant burns it will explode under
pressure with oxygen!

Pipe threads used for pipes that carry gases and liquids are cut on a
taper so that the DIAMETER decreases by ?? per 12? or a 16 to one
taper. A round rod with a diameter of ?? will come to a point at a
length of 12 inches with this taper. Pipe threads used for electrical
conduit have the same outside diameter and pitch as the starting
diameter of tapered pipe threads and they will screw together quite
nicely onto PROPERLY manufactured tapered pipe fittings despite the
apparent conflict in geometry that indicates that they won?t. This is
due to the female tapered thread having a larger starting diameter than
the male thread to make engagement easier. Where sealing is of no
consequence they may be used interchangeably. Pipe threads have very
little actual strength to resist bending forces applied at the joint
and the pipes will break off at the fitting when pried, and this is a
quick and easy way to take apart a pipeline. I shudder at the sight of
a huge heavy muffler hanging out at the end of a long horizontal
exhaust pipe. I worked at a place where there was a high school kid
beekeeper next door who made a crane for lifting his beehives in and
out of his pickup truck with the upright and reach arm made out of two
1-1/2? pipes screwed into a 90? elbow. I told him it was going to break
off but you know how high school kids are when listening to adults. A
few days later I saw him loading them by hand again.

Commercially manufactured pipe threads have become the bother,
nuisance, annoyance, irritation, pest, curse, blight, and all around
bane of those who work with threaded pipe joints. I base my deprecatory
litany from having to use commercially manufactured pipe fittings that
quite usually screw together only one or two turns by hand and with a
wrench perhaps three turns before collapsing or tearing off the end of
the pipe (properly cut tapered pipe threads will not strip because of
the thread tips bottoming out and halting rotation due to interference
binding before enough longitudinal force is developed to shear the
thread from its root. Well drilling pipe strings are screwed together
with tapered threads in part because of this feature). Before using
commercially manufactured pipe fittings I chase the threads before
attempting to assemble the parts just as a matter of course. The reason
why commercially manufactured pipe threads are so abominable is because
those who maintain the thread cutting machines at pipe fitting
factories have their necks under the hobnailed boots of the bean
counters who try to strip every last $0.0001 of value from a cutting
tool before discarding it. When the pipe and fitting threading tools
become worn they are re-sharpened far beyond design limits and the
threads produced are outside of specifications for proper fit,
consequently making them unsuitable. So, before buying pipe fittings
screw them together first and if they don?t go five complete turns by
hand they are out of spec. What you do after that is up to you. We all
hear news reports about mysterious gas explosions, ?broken? water
mains, and flooded apartments all the time.

Richard Allen



From yostsw at atis.net  Tue Dec 28 10:42:28 2004
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:42:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Holiday Charity Auction
References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200412281342280625.049CF37C@heavyiron.atis.net>

There has been a death in my family and will continue to be out of town for
another few days.  I will post instructions and methods of payments when I
return.

Thanks for your patience,

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Dec 28 10:47:00 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:47:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] NPT taps
In-Reply-To: <11565.199.62.0.252.1104255539.squirrel@admintool.trueband. net>
References: <BAY3-DAV176B83FD8B7DB3CF7F3F34BB990@phx.gbl>
	<46912.199.62.0.252.1104238169.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20041228114054.021e63d8@mail.alltel.net>
	<11565.199.62.0.252.1104255539.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041228134632.024d6c48@mail.alltel.net>

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
         Dave

At 12:38 PM 12/28/2004, you wrote:
>nah, we'll just lettum try it :-))
>marv in minn
>
> >
> >>be sure to use a 1/4 turn advance-1/3 turn back motion when taping.
> >>if you keep taping continually without the forward and back motion on the
> >>tap handle, the tap will plug with chips and break. there is no warning
> >>either :-))
> >>marv in minn
> >
> > Hi marve, Do you want to rethink this "1/4 turn advance-1/3 turn back"
> > advice, or shall we just wait and see how many people are unable to keep
> > the tap in the hole while following it?
> >          Dave
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
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From Opencrankman at aol.com  Tue Dec 28 11:59:31 2004
From: Opencrankman at aol.com (Opencrankman at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:59:31 EST
Subject: [SEL] Webster bracket 303M56
Message-ID: <a3.69e0b772.2f031523@aol.com>

I am looking for Webster bracket 303M56 its origanal application was  
Termaat- Manahan Co 
it also was fitted to the Wisconsin pep, The engine i want it for is a  Hobbs 
1 1/2HP O/C made by Frome engineering Frome Somorset England any info or  
help in finding one would be great hope you all had a great christmas.
 
 
 
                                               Thanks Alan


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Dec 28 14:19:33 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:19:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] pipe taps, threads, and fittings
In-Reply-To: <20041228181153.5604.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041228181153.5604.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8D02E6F2-591E-11D9-A1B7-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> Pipe threads used for electrical
> conduit have the same outside diameter and pitch as the starting
> diameter of tapered pipe threads and they will screw together quite
> nicely onto PROPERLY manufactured tapered pipe fittings despite the
> apparent conflict in geometry that indicates that they won?t. This is
> due to the female tapered thread having a larger starting diameter than
> the male thread to make engagement easier. Where sealing is of no
> consequence they may be used interchangeably.

I've been using a 90? elbow of 1 1/2" conduit for Dolly's exhaust for 
quite some time. Works fine with the relatively short length and a 
relatively small, light muffler. (I'm using a Wisconsin muffler now.) I 
used some Teflon sealant on the threads and have no problems with 
leakage.

Good to see you back on the List, Rich!

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA




From jnyost at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 28 15:08:45 2004
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:08:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] NPT taps
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041228134632.024d6c48@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <20041228230845.88217.qmail@web40606.mail.yahoo.com>

Dave,

When I read this I was in my office and started
laughing so hard 3 people came into see what I was
laughing at. I told them and they just stared at me as
if they were saying "What the heck is wrong with him?"
After I explained it then they almost understood.

Jim 8-)))))))))))))))))))))


--- Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:

> ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>          Dave
> 
> At 12:38 PM 12/28/2004, you wrote:
> >nah, we'll just lettum try it :-))
> >marv in minn
> >
> > >
> > >>be sure to use a 1/4 turn advance-1/3 turn back
> motion when taping.
> > >>if you keep taping continually without the
> forward and back motion on the
> > >>tap handle, the tap will plug with chips and
> break. there is no warning
> > >>either :-))
> > >>marv in minn
> > >
> > > Hi marve, Do you want to rethink this "1/4 turn
> advance-1/3 turn back"
> > > advice, or shall we just wait and see how many
> people are unable to keep
> > > the tap in the hole while following it?
> > >          Dave
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > >
>
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> _______________________________________________
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>
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Utica, Ohio
USA
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Dec 28 15:14:59 2004
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:14:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Crossley before and after
References: <200412280946.iBS9k7So011734@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c4ed33$0dbcab80$966e8645@carolina.rr.com>

Absolutely fabulous!!!!!!  Might even inspire me to finish a few projects.
Mike Royster
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 4:46 AM
Subject: [SEL] Crossley before and after


> I spent this afternoon helping a mate get the bugs out of a newly finished
> Crossley J. It still need some bedding in but it is running quite well.
> Here is what it looked like when purchased:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/milbauct/auct2003_0809AX.JPG
> and here is what it looks like now:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122802.JPG
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122805.JPG
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122806.JPG
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122810.JPG
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Tue Dec 28 16:33:16 2004
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 08:33:16 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Back again!
Message-ID: <001201c4ed3d$fdc4af10$f332ecdc@JacksPLEJune2004>

Greetings from a warm-to-hot Perth (Oz) morning on the day-after-the-day-after-Christmas (or is it the day after that? Getting confused already)

I un-subscribed early in the year before going off on a longish car and caravan trip to t'other side of Australia. Now returned and remaking all my old contacts.

So what interesting things have been happening while I was away?

Hope all had a Happy Christmas, and best wishes to all for the New Year.

Jack Watson

From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Dec 28 16:41:04 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:41:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Crossley before and after
In-Reply-To: <41D1534C.3080807@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <200412290041.iBT0f00H054464@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

I have more pictures of the little Crossleys restorations at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/otherengines/pscrossleyjj.html


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 29 04:16:52 2004
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:16:52 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill
Message-ID: <BAY103-F7603838ED5AD4914AFC15C89B0@phx.gbl>

Hi Everybody,

Some might remember a shingle mill I bought a few years ago:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/shinglemill/shinglemill.html

I took it to a building where one of the clubs I belong to meet.  We had a 
work day yesterday with a few others guys and myself. We managed to get the 
blade off. We used one of those impact screwdrivers that twists as you smack 
it with a hammer. We got about half of the screws out and then had to use 
the torch to heat the screws then used water to cool them back off. Most of 
the remaining ones came out with one shot of the torch. The others came out 
with the second dose of heat.  After removing the blade we loosened and 
lubed up all the bolts that adjust the thickness and shape of the shingle. 
Everything is operable now. Next week I will take the blade to a couple 
places to see what it will cost to straighten and sharpen it. I will also 
check on some 6x10 beams for the skids. I will haul it home in the next 
couple months then will wire wheel the rust off, prime, and paint it.  I 
will also have to make a couple new plates of steel that are used to grip 
the log as it is pushed into the blade. I plan on putting it to use this 
year at the Charlton Park show in Hastings, Michigan.  Getting the blade off 
was a major accomplishment!

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Dec 29 06:20:20 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 07:20:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] pipe taps, threads, and fittings
References: <20041228181153.5604.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV2892DFCCF47264E8402FC2BB9B0@phx.gbl>

Thanks for the info Rich.  Friend of mine just built his wife a clothesline 
using 2" Sch. 80 with a "T" at the top.  Time will tell.

A big welcome back from me also.

RickinMt.
PS: Where's your "Work and play safe?"




> Hi, guys,
>
> I have been absent from here for about two years but through the good
> offices of John Culp I have returned. My old Pentium 1 computer was so
> slow I couldn't participate in a lot of things in general on the
> Internet simply because the processor speed was so slow. I upgraded to
> a 2.6 GHz Celeron computer and now it is a lot better, just my
> extremely rural phone line now being the limiting factor by not
> supporting a decent modem speed.
>
> When I use a pipe tap I run it in about half way and then check for
> thread engagement of the fitting of the part that screws into it.
> According to Machinery's Handbook the minimum number of turns of pipe 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Dec 29 06:24:53 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 07:24:53 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Crossley before and after
References: <200412280946.iBS9k7So011734@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV2742254C938B6D0089EB34BB9B0@phx.gbl>

Fantastic piece of machinery and restoration, Patrick.  Congrats to your 
mate and you.

Please define "bedding"

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 2:46 AM
Subject: [SEL] Crossley before and after


> I spent this afternoon helping a mate get the bugs out of a newly finished
> Crossley J. It still need some bedding in but it is running quite well.
> Here is what it looked like when purchased:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/milbauct/auct2003_0809AX.JPG
> and here is what it looks like now:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122802.JPG
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122805.JPG
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122806.JPG
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/04122810.JPG
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Dec 29 06:40:01 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 07:40:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] For Ted..parkerizing
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV255CF70ADD6C86D373198FBB9B0@phx.gbl>

Hopefully Ted will read this.
  I am in the process of restoring my old "Star" metal lathe.  Some of the 
parts I have foolishly blasted and removed the old finish.

  Some while back (hopefully Ted) had instructions for "Stove top 
parkerizing" but I can't find it now.
Would this be a good process (in black) for a re-finish?

Also need generic? guidelines for setting up the carriage drive gears. 
Would Lindsay be a good place to start and would anyone recommend one of his 
books.


TIA
RickinMt.
http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc 


From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Wed Dec 29 08:00:15 2004
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:00:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill
Message-ID: <000401c4edbf$7f900d60$5a680b42@gnarmstrong>

Luke,
  Is it to early to place an order for shingles??       George
-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:20 AM
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill


>Hi Everybody,
>
>Some might remember a shingle mill I bought a few years ago:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/shinglemill/shinglemill.html
>
>I took it to a building where one of the clubs I belong to meet.  We had a
>work day yesterday with a few others guys and myself. We managed to get the
>blade off. We used one of those impact screwdrivers that twists as you
smack
>it with a hammer. We got about half of the screws out and then had to use
>the torch to heat the screws then used water to cool them back off. Most of
>the remaining ones came out with one shot of the torch. The others came out
>with the second dose of heat.  After removing the blade we loosened and
>lubed up all the bolts that adjust the thickness and shape of the shingle.
>Everything is operable now. Next week I will take the blade to a couple
>places to see what it will cost to straighten and sharpen it. I will also
>check on some 6x10 beams for the skids. I will haul it home in the next
>couple months then will wire wheel the rust off, prime, and paint it.  I
>will also have to make a couple new plates of steel that are used to grip
>the log as it is pushed into the blade. I plan on putting it to use this
>year at the Charlton Park show in Hastings, Michigan.  Getting the blade
off
>was a major accomplishment!
>
>Luke Tonneberger
>Rockford, Michigan
>USA
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Dec 29 13:26:18 2004
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:26:18 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Back again!
References: <001201c4ed3d$fdc4af10$f332ecdc@JacksPLEJune2004>
Message-ID: <001b01c4eded$09848b90$80c0ecdc@morris>

Welcome back Jack, are you going to the National

Kerry


> Greetings from a warm-to-hot Perth (Oz) morning on the 
> day-after-the-day-after-Christmas (or is it the day after that? Getting 
> confused already)
>
> I un-subscribed early in the year before going off on a longish car and 
> caravan trip to t'other side of Australia. Now returned and remaking all 
> my old contacts.
>
> So what interesting things have been happening while I was away?
>
> Hope all had a Happy Christmas, and best wishes to all for the New Year.
>
> Jack Watson
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Dec 29 13:32:37 2004
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:32:37 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Crossley before and after
References: <200412280946.iBS9k7So011734@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<BAY3-DAV2742254C938B6D0089EB34BB9B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002401c4eded$eb1599f0$80c0ecdc@morris>

G'Day Rick
It has been great seening the two Crossleys take shape over the last 12 
months

 >
> Please define "bedding"

"Fine tuning" I think it was about the bed (lathe etc) being set up true

Also what one does to a new wife 8-))


Kerry 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Dec 29 14:53:05 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:53:05 EST
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill
Message-ID: <a9.69ca6de6.2f048f51@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/29/2004 7:24:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
flywheelin at hotmail.com writes:

<< We got about half of the screws out and then had to use 
 the torch to heat the screws then used water to cool them back off. >>


The "flame wrench" was a great invention!  Glad it all is working out!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From edstoller at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 29 15:37:02 2004
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:37:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] For Ted..parkerizing
References: <BAY3-DAV255CF70ADD6C86D373198FBB9B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <007201c4edff$51860ec0$8ba89e04@x8h7l9>

Rick,

I can send you pictures when I get home, about 15 January. Glad to here you
are getting it set up.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 9:40 AM
Subject: [SEL] For Ted..parkerizing


> Hopefully Ted will read this.
>   I am in the process of restoring my old "Star" metal lathe.  Some of the
> parts I have foolishly blasted and removed the old finish.
>
>   Some while back (hopefully Ted) had instructions for "Stove top
> parkerizing" but I can't find it now.
> Would this be a good process (in black) for a re-finish?
>
> Also need generic? guidelines for setting up the carriage drive gears.
> Would Lindsay be a good place to start and would anyone recommend one of
his
> books.
>
>
> TIA
> RickinMt.
> http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc
> _______________________________________________




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Dec 29 15:38:08 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:38:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Crossley before and after
In-Reply-To: <002401c4eded$eb1599f0$80c0ecdc@morris>
References: <200412280946.iBS9k7So011734@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>	<BAY3-DAV2742254C938B6D0089EB34BB9B0@phx.gbl>
	<002401c4eded$eb1599f0$80c0ecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <41D33FE0.10001@scrtc.com>



RE:  The Crossley J's, I know where there is a pretty nice one that I 
can trade for.  I like them as they are really a "cute" little hunk of 
iron.  My question is, what are they worth?  Just curious as if I talk 
trade with the gent I need to know what the general value of them are.  
If any one has any thoughts on this, please reply to me off list at my 
email address:

Lcjudge at scrtc.com

Thanks.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Dec 29 16:14:50 2004
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 00:14:50 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill
References: <a9.69ca6de6.2f048f51@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002001c4ee04$9574dbc0$8c9f0952@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Shingle Mill


> In a message dated 12/29/2004 7:24:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
> flywheelin at hotmail.com writes:
> << We got about half of the screws out and then had to use 
>  the torch to heat the screws then used water to cool them back off. >>
> The "flame wrench" was a great invention!  Glad it all is working out!
> Tom Schmutz

The problem is that "The Flame Wench" is the one you
are married to when she finds out how much you spent
on the latest acquisition. 8^)
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Dec 29 20:38:36 2004
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:08:36 +1030
Subject: [SEL] Campbells
Message-ID: <002101c4ee29$6d257e20$39c68890@chaos>

What year are these 2 Campbells ( dscn0052.jpg, dscn0053.jpg ), pre 1929 i 
guess. The sound is good in that large room.
http://www.bwhost.co.uk/miag/pics.htm




From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Dec 30 04:58:48 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:58:48 EST
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill
Message-ID: <2b.69790c99.2f055588@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/29/2004 7:30:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes:

<< The problem is that "The Flame Wench" is the one you
 are married to when she finds out how much you spent
 on the latest acquisition >>


Dave,

Millie, being a nurse, is somewhat understanding about the  monetary problems 
associated with the acquisitions realizing that it is an illness that may 
never be cured.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Dec 30 06:49:42 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:49:42 -0700
Subject: [SEL] For Ted..parkerizing
References: <BAY3-DAV255CF70ADD6C86D373198FBB9B0@phx.gbl>
	<007201c4edff$51860ec0$8ba89e04@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV4EF263610476EAE63572DBB9C0@phx.gbl>

Glad to hear from ya, Ed.  Restoration at this point is a bad term.  Up and 
running would be better.  Problem now is how to mount the so called belt 
mandrel and motor.  Unlike yours there are no provisions for mounting them 
to the lathe.  It might have been line shaft driven in it's younger days. 
Guess I could mount them on the wall behind and above but really didn't want 
to do that.  Spent most of the day yesterday cleaning the lead screw and 
polishing out some dings...and seems a lot smoother now.

  I did by surprize stumble on a book at Tony's site in the UK, but he wants 
42 rockets for it.

  Well overnight we had 3 inches of snow with more on the way so I guess 
it's time to mount the snowplow on the wheeler.

  I'll get some pictures taken and loaded into Webshots.  If anyone can 
trick this baby out, it's the list.

Take Care,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] For Ted..parkerizing


> Rick,
>
> I can send you pictures when I get home, about 15 January. Glad to here 
> you
> are getting it set up.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 9:40 AM
> Subject: [SEL] For Ted..parkerizing
>
>
> > Hopefully Ted will read this.
> >   I am in the process of restoring my old "Star" metal lathe.  Some of 
> > the
> > parts I have foolishly blasted and removed the old finish.
> >
> >   Some while back (hopefully Ted) had instructions for "Stove top
> > parkerizing" but I can't find it now.
> > Would this be a good process (in black) for a re-finish?
> >
> > Also need generic? guidelines for setting up the carriage drive gears.
> > Would Lindsay be a good place to start and would anyone recommend one of
> his
> > books.
> >
> >
> > TIA
> > RickinMt.
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From linstrum55 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 30 10:09:39 2004
From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:09:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Parkerizing, bluing, blacking, & browning iron 
Message-ID: <20041230180939.26078.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com>

Parkerizing, bluing, blacking, and browning of iron and steel use
chemical solutions that react with the iron of the steel alloy to form
extremely hard (on Moh?s scale they are around 7, which = quartz and is
considered suitable for gems) darkly colored insoluble iron compounds
that remain tenaciously attached to the surface. Plain old regular rust
is in this category and forms the actual brown finish originally used
on guns and other tools until around 1850 when developments in modern
chemistry made bluing easy. Parkerizing forms the hard and insoluble
black phosphate of iron, while the others form the various oxides and
hydroxides of iron that are diversely colored black, blue, brown, dark
olive green, deep red, and yellow. Another kind of bluing is from a
class of iron compounds called ?iron Werner coordination complex ions?
and these are a very beautiful deep blue color chemically identical to
Prussian blue. 

My favorite finish is the nearly black metallic graphite luster color
and is the easiest to do. It also forms the hardest surface and resists
minor scratching and abrasion quite well. It is made from 5 pounds of
lye, 2.5 pounds of ammonium nitrate, and a gallon of water. You don?t
need to make up such a large amount if you don?t need to, just use the
same proportions. A United States gallon of water weighs exactly 8-1/3
pounds if you want to make up the solution strictly by using weight.
Although not poisonous in its final form, it is VERY dangerous to mix
and MUST be done using gloves outside while wearing goggles to protect
your eyes. SLOWLY add the ammonium nitrate into the water, stir, and
then SLOWLY add in the lye about ? cup at a time while continuing the
stirring. It will get very hot and if the lye is added too fast it will
explode from the steam that forms. Lots of ammonia gas will be
produced, too. After it is cool you can boil your iron parts in the
solution. It acts very fast to make the black finish but the longer it
is in the solution the thicker it will be. After boiling for ten
minutes up to perhaps an hour wash the parts off in cold water.

The standard Parkerizing solution is made from 365 grains of commercial
phosphoric acid ?syrup? (also called orthophosphoric acid syrup), 22
grains of manganese dioxide, and a quart of distilled water. The parts
are boiled in the solution for 4 hours and then rinsed in warm water
for a few minutes followed by soaking in baking soda solution for a few
minutes to kill any remaining solution. Distilled water can be added
during the boiling to keep up the level if it loses more than a third
of its volume. A Jerry-rigged Parkerizing solution can be made from 2
tablespoons of phosphoric acid, a tablespoon of iron filings, and the
black pasty contents of one new ?D? or ?C? size zinc-carbon (not an
alkaline!)  flashlight battery mixed in a quart of water. The
phosphoric acid can be obtained from a paint supply store and is used
for treating steel before painting. The commercial acid is called Metal
Etch, but that stuff is usually pretty dilute. Parkerizing makes a flat
black or very dull dark gray color.

The brown color can be made by keeping the steel parts in clay-type cat
litter damped with weak salt or ammonium nitrate solution. This is just
plain old rust, so don?t get the idea that this is something fancy!
Every few days the parts need to be removed and then wire brushed or
rubbed down with steel wool to keep the surface from getting grainy.
When done the parts have to be rinsed off with lots of warm water and
after drying the metal can be protected with car wax, linseed oil,
floor wax, etc.

The deep blue color can be made by keeping the steel parts in a damp
pasty gruel made from pulverized oak leaves for a few weeks. I don?t
know if dead dry or fresh green leaves work better. A paste made from
green avocado tree leaves will also work. Like for making the brown
finish, every few days the parts need to be removed and then wire
brushed or rubbed down with steel wool to keep the surface from getting
grainy. When done the parts have to be rinsed off with lots of warm
water and after drying the metal can be protected with car wax, linseed
oil, floor wax, etc. Boiling in a stew of oak leaves and galls will
also work but I don?t have any specific instructions on how that is
done.

The commercial cold bluing solutions contain selenium salts and are
downright deadly if mishandled and selenium poisoning has no antidote! 
The ingredients to make solutions for the other colors are all pretty
hard to get and are dangerous as well, and consequently I leave that
stuff alone. 

Work and play safely (thanks, Rick!),

Richard Allen



From dcox at triad.rr.com  Thu Dec 30 11:33:47 2004
From: dcox at triad.rr.com (Dallas Cox)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:33:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] JC Chimney 
Message-ID: <006601c4eea6$7bd11ba0$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA>

I need a hot tube chimney for a 20 HP JC, it has a bracket on the back
that goes over the pedestal that supports the chimney.
Thanks for any help locating one.

Everyone have a safe and HAPPY NEW YEAR.

Dallas
















From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Dec 30 14:25:14 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:25:14 EST
Subject: [SEL] electrical help OT
Message-ID: <45.1e967239.2f05da4a@aol.com>

I am in need of some electrical help concerning high powered electrical 
cattle fence charger (7000 volts dc) feeding back on the telephone line and also 
the main house power.  If anyone has any knowledge of these fence charger 
problems I would like to converse directly and explain all I know and what we have 
done trying to cure the problem.  The problem is "ticking" charger pulses on 
the phone line that in turn affects computer modem.   

Thanks,
 

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Dec 30 14:26:58 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 09:26:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] White engine
In-Reply-To: <002a01c4eccf$988bca20$3485dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <200412302226.iBUMQnVZ021224@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

It is good to hear that the White is finally running. It will be an
interesting item at the next rally. The horizontal White's are rare enough
but the vertical is in a league of its own :)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----

Hi people.Brock has asked me to let all know that he has got his side shaft
vertical White up and going at last.He phoned me yesterday so that I could
here it running and again today after he had done some fine tuning and it is
sounding great.His puter is out of action and won't be fixed for about a
week.He has assured me that he will post some pics when he is back on
line.This is one rare and desirable engine and he has done a fine job from
very sad beginnings.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au





From diesel at easynet.co.uk  Thu Dec 30 15:07:45 2004
From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 23:07:45 +0000
Subject: [SEL] electrical help OT
In-Reply-To: <45.1e967239.2f05da4a@aol.com>
References: <45.1e967239.2f05da4a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <s829t0p2geq2bevkg7cl2i780ob1hqd6g6@4ax.com>

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:25:14 EST, you wrote:

>I am in need of some electrical help concerning high powered electrical 
>cattle fence charger (7000 volts dc) feeding back on the telephone line and also 
>the main house power.  If anyone has any knowledge of these fence charger 
>problems I would like to converse directly and explain all I know and what we have 
>done trying to cure the problem.  The problem is "ticking" charger pulses on 
>the phone line that in turn affects computer modem.   
>
>Thanks,
> 
>
>Tom Schmutz

Tom:

The fence units have a battery which charges up a capacitor through a bit of
electrickery, and the capacitor is discharged through the coil (like a car
ignition coil) which gives the highvoltage pulse. The electric fence acts as an
aerial and away you go...

The pulse is such a low frequency that almost any radio or TV will pick it up as
interference. Because they are usually out in fields away from houses, they
don't cause a problem, but using them on a mains power supply instead of a
battery can cause mains-borne interference problems.

We have a couple which we used to use to keep the hosses inside a fenced area,
but don't use them now.

Peter




From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Dec 30 16:15:13 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:15:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] electrical help OT
In-Reply-To: <45.1e967239.2f05da4a@aol.com>
References: <45.1e967239.2f05da4a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041230190750.024f5d10@mail.alltel.net>

At 05:25 PM 12/30/2004, you wrote:
>I am in need of some electrical help concerning high powered electrical
>cattle fence charger (7000 volts dc) feeding back on the telephone line 
>and also
>the main house power.  If anyone has any knowledge of these fence charger
>problems I would like to converse directly and explain all I know and what 
>we have
>done trying to cure the problem.  The problem is "ticking" charger pulses on
>the phone line that in turn affects computer modem.
>Thanks,
>Tom Schmutz

Hi Tom,
         The first thing you need to do is to determine is if it is REALLY 
the charger that is causing the problem. This is easy to do. First, be sure 
that the fencer is plugged in. Second, urinate directly on the fence 
wire--this works best if the ground is a bit damp. Once you have performed 
this simple test, let me know the results and I'll advise you as to the 
next step in the procedure.
         Dave 



From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Thu Dec 30 16:28:27 2004
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:28:27 -0800
Subject: [SEL] electrical help OT
References: <45.1e967239.2f05da4a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002f01c4eecf$a7233580$0eff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Go to your local electronic junk store and buy a couple of toroids.  About a
1/2 inch section and 2 or 3 inches in dia. Wrap 25 so turns around the core
and see if that does not make a huge reduction. No hard and fast rules here
try several sizes of toroid and vary the number of turns.  the more the
better more or less. Try this on the power line to the charger and the modem
line.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 2:25 PM
Subject: [SEL] electrical help OT


> I am in need of some electrical help concerning high powered electrical
> cattle fence charger (7000 volts dc) feeding back on the telephone line
and also
> the main house power.  If anyone has any knowledge of these fence charger
> problems I would like to converse directly and explain all I know and what
we have
> done trying to cure the problem.  The problem is "ticking" charger pulses
on
> the phone line that in turn affects computer modem.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec 30 16:52:09 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:52:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Parkerizing, bluing, blacking, & browning iron 
In-Reply-To: <20041230180939.26078.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041230180939.26078.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3313B970-5AC6-11D9-AEF7-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

> My favorite finish is the nearly black metallic graphite luster color
> and is the easiest to do. It also forms the hardest surface and resists
> minor scratching and abrasion quite well. It is made from 5 pounds of
> lye, 2.5 pounds of ammonium nitrate, and a gallon of water. You don?t
> need to make up such a large amount if you don?t need to, just use the
> same proportions. A United States gallon of water weighs exactly 8-1/3
> pounds if you want to make up the solution strictly by using weight.
> Although not poisonous in its final form, it is VERY dangerous to mix
> and MUST be done using gloves outside while wearing goggles to protect
> your eyes. SLOWLY add the ammonium nitrate into the water, stir, and
> then SLOWLY add in the lye about ? cup at a time while continuing the
> stirring. It will get very hot and if the lye is added too fast it will
> explode from the steam that forms. Lots of ammonia gas will be
> produced, too.

Be very aware of the wind direction and stay upwind of the pot the 
whole time this solution's being mixed, or you'll instantly regret it.

These days, it'd be a good idea to wait till the neighbors are gone 
before you do it. A strong smell of ammonia coming from your property 
is likely to get you raided by cowboy drug cops with guns drawn, who'll 
think you're cooking "meth."

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA




From driggars at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 30 18:14:43 2004
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:14:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] electrical help OT
References: <45.1e967239.2f05da4a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <017101c4eede$7e8348e0$06438304@clinton>


Tom

makesure the ground rod for the fence charger is far away from any lines going to
the house

Clint




> I am in need of some electrical help concerning high powered electrical
> cattle fence charger (7000 volts dc) feeding back on the telephone line and also
> the main house power.  If anyone has any knowledge of these fence charger
> problems I would like to converse directly and explain all I know and what we
have
> done trying to cure the problem.  The problem is "ticking" charger pulses on
> the phone line that in turn affects computer modem.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From bboyce at swat.coop  Thu Dec 30 20:22:48 2004
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:22:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] electrical help OT
References: <45.1e967239.2f05da4a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001401c4eef0$62e87620$6401a8c0@BillyBob>

tom,,,, we've used fencers for years here on the place, and have 2  working
now,,,, the most common cause of what you've described is the fence wire
finding a ground somewhere and making an arc,,,, a limb or blade of grass
touching,,, a small twig blown from a tree and landed on the fence then
touching the ground,, a broken or cracked insulator,these can be real hard
to locate if they are just barely cracked and letting the wire ground to the
post,,,,an arc will certainly cause static,,,,,,to try and locate a broken
insulater,  i have used the radio in the pick-up truck,,, turn it to a spot
not on a station, turn the volume up, and drive along the fence,, as you
near the problem, the static will get louder and louder,,, not very high
tech, but it has worked for me,,,,,however, if you disconnect the fence
wires from the charger and it still causes static when its on, then there is
a problem with the fencer itself...hope this helps,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 4:25 PM
Subject: [SEL] electrical help OT


> I am in need of some electrical help concerning high powered electrical
> cattle fence charger (7000 volts dc) feeding back on the telephone line
and also
> the main house power.  If anyone has any knowledge of these fence charger
> problems I would like to converse directly and explain all I know and what
we have
> done trying to cure the problem.  The problem is "ticking" charger pulses
on
> the phone line that in turn affects computer modem.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Dec 31 04:31:55 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 23:31:55 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Last for 2004
Message-ID: <200412311231.iBVCVjos020962@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Today was the last engine day for 2004. Ron and I continued to work on the
two little 3hp Australs. We finally removed the piston from the 2nd engine
using a combination of lots of heat, a hydraulic puller, and a big
sledgehammer. All this took about 4 hours and we pretty much had to
completely strip the engine in the process. Both of the 3hp engines have had
the removable valve chambers broken. One has both the air valve and exhaust
valve chambers broken while the other has the air valve only broken. Ron has
managed to get hold of a repaired air valve chamber and his engine has a
good exhaust valve chamber so it looks like we are off to the foundry again.
I also gave a couple of engines a bit of a run. The 5.5hp Buzacott started
first try (on stale fuel) and ran like a clock. I also gave the 5hp Bartram
a run just as the sun was setting. It started the slightest roll of the
flywheels and its steady rhythm  made a nice end to 2004.
Happy New Year (well in 1/2 an hour) from Oz!
I will have to run a couple of engines in the morning to ring in the new
year ;)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From oldengines at bigpond.com  Fri Dec 31 05:06:17 2004
From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron & Liz Sullivan)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:06:17 +1100
Subject: [SEL] HAPPY NEW YEAR
Message-ID: <003f01c4ef39$893e6ac0$ea1d8a90@ronliz1>

Hope all on the list have a safe and prosperous New Year

From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Dec 31 05:25:54 2004
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:25:54 +1100
Subject: [SEL] HAPPY NEW YEAR
In-Reply-To: <003f01c4ef39$893e6ac0$ea1d8a90@ronliz1>
Message-ID: <200412311325.iBVDPhPK043004@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Happy New Year! The fireworks were nice and loud this year. They just about
had the windows rattling :)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----

Hope all on the list have a safe and prosperous New Year
_______________________________________________
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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Fri Dec 31 05:29:37 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:29:37 +0100
Subject: [SEL] HNY to OZ
Message-ID: <001101c4ef3c$c6451970$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

All the OZ list members HAPPY NEW YEAR.
With lots of good health and old iron.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web

PS. The rest have to wait a little :o)



From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Dec 30 12:37:44 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:37:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question
Message-ID: <20041231.095955.1208.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi List,

I had an engine running with a coil & battery.
The coil was from a Techumsa ???  The battery - a small gell filled 12V.

 Once I got the engine running, I decided to "Streamline" by taking the
iron frame from around & through the coil.  

After hooking it back up - I didn't seem to be getting much spark -  When
all of a sudden 
a loud SNAP !!!  and SMOKE - (The coil blew up.)

Question :::  Does a coil NEED the iron core running throught the middle
to work properly ?

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
 \/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From BillMil357 at aol.com  Fri Dec 31 07:07:37 2004
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 10:07:37 EST
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question
Message-ID: <e4.5fbce651.2f06c539@aol.com>

Hey PIP,
 
You got it right, that coil will smoke in a few seconds with out the iron  in 
the middle, just like a solenoid valve, you lift the coil off the stem and it 
 will burn out, it has to have the stem through it to operate right.
 
Happy New Year,
 
Bill Miller.


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Dec 31 08:00:57 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:00:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question
Message-ID: <20041231.110348.1208.14.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Bill - 

Live & Learn - 

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
 \/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From prepair at easynet.co.uk  Fri Dec 31 08:08:41 2004
From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:08:41 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question
In-Reply-To: <20041231.095955.1208.0.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20041231.095955.1208.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <53uat09mp9gqon29bk7s90askmgrd2tsc6@4ax.com>

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:37:44 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi List,
>
>I had an engine running with a coil & battery.
>The coil was from a Techumsa ???  The battery - a small gell filled 12V.
>
> Once I got the engine running, I decided to "Streamline" by taking the
>iron frame from around & through the coil.  
>
>After hooking it back up - I didn't seem to be getting much spark -  When
>all of a sudden 
>a loud SNAP !!!  and SMOKE - (The coil blew up.)
>
>Question :::  Does a coil NEED the iron core running throught the middle
>to work properly ?

'Fraid so, the inductor is just a resistance wire on DC supplies, so
it just overheats and burns up, same as a standard coil will if you
leave it connected and the points closed with the battery connected.

The core just transfers the magnetic field when you break the points
and collapse the magnetic circuit. No core, no spark, or a very weak
one as there is 'some' transfer of magnetism, even with an air-cored
coil.

Engine is a Tecumseh?

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK
prepair at easynet.co.uk
http://www.prepair.co.uk




From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Dec 31 08:38:14 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:38:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question
In-Reply-To: <20041231.095955.1208.0.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20041231.095955.1208.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041231113438.023e9650@mail.alltel.net>

At 03:37 PM 12/30/2004, you wrote:
>Hi List,
>I had an engine running with a coil & battery.
>The coil was from a Techumsa ???  The battery - a small gell filled 12V.
>  Once I got the engine running, I decided to "Streamline" by taking the
>iron frame from around & through the coil.
>After hooking it back up - I didn't seem to be getting much spark -  When
>all of a sudden
>a loud SNAP !!!  and SMOKE - (The coil blew up.)
>Question :::  Does a coil NEED the iron core running throught the middle
>to work properly ?
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that.

Hi Joe,
         Once the iron bar is removed it allows the smoke to escape. Since 
a coil needs smoke in order to operate properly you now need to find a new 
coil. Hope that this helps and HAPPY NEW YEAR!
         Dave
PS, Once the smoke escapes from a coil it can not be reinstalled properly.



From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Fri Dec 31 08:50:17 2004
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:50:17 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question
In-Reply-To: <20041231.095955.1208.0.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20041231.095955.1208.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <xnQ2yD5JNY1BFwyB@loud-n-clear.net>

In message <20041231.095955.1208.0.jlb94 at juno.com>, jlb94 at juno.com
writes
>
>I had an engine running with a coil & battery.
>The coil was from a Techumsa ???  The battery - a small gell filled 12V.
>
> Once I got the engine running, I decided to "Streamline" by taking the
>iron frame from around & through the coil.
>
>After hooking it back up - I didn't seem to be getting much spark -  When
>all of a sudden
>a loud SNAP !!!  and SMOKE - (The coil blew up.)
>
>Question :::  Does a coil NEED the iron core running throught the middle
>to work properly ?
>

Apparently so...

Paraphrased slightly from

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/igcoil.html

 and

http://www.tortech.com.au/toranalysis.html

"The primary winding of an ignition coil is wound with a small number of
turns and has a small resistance. Applying the battery to a coil causes
a sizeable DC current to flow (Ohm's law) even though it has a
significant inductance which slows the increase of that current to its
maximum value. The secondary coil has a much larger number of turns and
therefore acts as a step-up transformer. But instead of operating on AC
voltages, a coil is designed to produce a large voltage spike when the
current in the primary winding is interrupted. Since the induced
secondary voltage is proportional to the rate of change of the magnetic
field through it, opening a switch quickly in the primary circuit to
drop the current to zero will generate a large voltage in the secondary
coil according to Faraday's Law. The large voltage causes a spark across
the gap of the sparking plug to ignite the fuel mixture.

The current in the primary winding is caused to drop to zero quickly by
the opening of a switch. This causes the magnetic field in the primary
winding to drop rapidly, generating a large voltage in the secondary
winding. The generated voltage is proportional to the rate of change of
the magnetic field according to Faraday's Law, and the amount of change
is multiplied by the effect of the iron core in the coil."

"The difference between air and iron for magnetic permeability is about
4,000", meaning that it requires 4,000 times more magnetizing force to
create the same magnetic field strength in a given volume of air than in
the same volume of iron.  The magnetizing force is a direct linear
function of the current that flows in the primary winding, i.e., twice
the current, twice the magnetizing force.  However the heating effect of
the current rises as the square of the current - twice the current, four
times the heating effect, three times the current, nine times the heat,
and so on.

Your coil might have blown up just as easily with the iron in it as
without, though.  Did the Tecumseh engine it came from have a battery or
was the coil energised from a flywheel dynamo or magnet?  I'm betting
that the coil was not designed to see a 12V lead-acid cell connected
across it for any length of time and was originally designed to operate
with either a flywheel dynamo/magnet or points-based or Hall effect
ignition, any of which would have interrupted the current and reduced
the effective heating (low duty cycle).  The original circuit may also
have included a ballast resistor to limit the current seen by the coil.

Happy New Year to one and all!

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales


From solarrog at pacbell.net  Fri Dec 31 10:05:37 2004
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 10:05:37 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question
References: <20041231.095955.1208.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <01ee01c4ef63$54edae00$99007643@solar>

Yes, You create a magnetic field in the  laminates using the primary
windings, and then collapse it to induce your spark from the secondary
windings.
and 12 volts is a bit much for a coil
try a resister in series to lower the voltage.
good luck with it.

Roger DiRuscio,  Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont
Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor
scooters and bicycle motors. Pivate pilot 1981.  Fremont,Ca 94555
510-797-4000
Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly
web site.     scrapologist.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 12:37 PM
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question


> Hi List,
>
> I had an engine running with a coil & battery.
> The coil was from a Techumsa ???  The battery - a small gell filled 12V.
>
>  Once I got the engine running, I decided to "Streamline" by taking the
> iron frame from around & through the coil.
>
> After hooking it back up - I didn't seem to be getting much spark -  When
> all of a sudden
> a loud SNAP !!!  and SMOKE - (The coil blew up.)
>
> Question :::  Does a coil NEED the iron core running throught the middle
> to work properly ?
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com
>  ,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
>  \/)"(\/         people might not know the difference."
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Dec 31 10:03:20 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:03:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question
Message-ID: <20041231.130337.884.6.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Peter,

Nice sites also.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/igcoil.html
 
and
 
http://www.tortech.com.au/toranalysis.html

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
 \/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Dec 31 10:00:52 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:00:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coil
Message-ID: <20041231.130337.884.5.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Peter,

Thanks for your info.  
I can't say I know much about a coil - but I tend to learn the hard way.

Engine is a Tecumseh?
=        =        =        

No --- The engine isn't a Tecumseh - I was using the coil to run a Briggs
WI that has a 
bad coil.  I hooked it up to run on a battery & coil.  Runs nice too !

Luckly, I have another coil. But that's on my Harley.

Thanks again. - 

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
 \/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz

From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Dec 31 09:58:49 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:58:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question
Message-ID: <20041231.130337.884.4.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Joe,
         Once the iron bar is removed it allows the smoke to escape. 

Hi Dave - 

DAMN !!! I knew there had to be a reason for that iron bar - I took it
out and it let all the smoke out.  It also got hot.  So I Ass Ume it
holds the heat in also.

Happy New Year - 

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
 \/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From MBellar at aol.com  Fri Dec 31 10:32:07 2004
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:32:07 EST
Subject: [SEL] electrical help OT
Message-ID: <1cb.2e238424.2f06f527@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/30/2004 5:34:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
Germoamer at aol.com writes:

The problem is "ticking" charger pulses on 
the phone line that in turn affects computer modem.   


Tom;
We have been using high power energizers to keep our livestock home and 
predators (2 and 4 legged) away for over 30 years. The best charger that I have 
used is a top of the line Gallagher which has built in radio frequency 
interference filters. I have found that as the load on the fence increases there is a 
likelihood of interference being detected by near by audio circuits. This can be 
minimized by installing additional eight foot long ground rods on ten foot 
intervals hopefully in a damp area. These energizer grounds must not be 
installed near under ground water pipes or electrical service, telephone or cable 
grounds. I can usually tell when our fence is shorted out or carrying a heavy wet 
weed load by the intensity of the "ticking" heard from our intercom that goes 
out to the barn.

Tom Bellar
 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Dec 31 10:49:04 2004
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:49:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Parkerizing, bluing, blacking, & browning iron
References: <20041230180939.26078.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV3237E7EBD2F25E9278C146BB9D0@phx.gbl>

Thanks very much for taking the time to explain, Rich!!!  I will probably 
have to wait until warmer weather as it's around zero now.

  I wouldn't have a clue as where to look for ammonium nitrate...sounds 
scary.  Also it looks like the parts have to be immersed, other than cold 
bluing.  Will this in anyway affect the precison surfaces on the lathe and 
associated parts?  I would completely disassemble the tail stock and any 
other assemblies.

Here's a webshots album with pictures of the lathe and the accessories...and 
then of course the batteries in the camera gave up the ghost.  Don't have a 
clue why the bed and ways are green in the picture.

http://community.webshots.com/album/240686847gnCbuk

Thanks again!  Happy New Year everyone!!

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Allen" <linstrum55 at yahoo.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 11:09 AM
Subject: [SEL] Parkerizing, bluing, blacking, & browning iron


> Parkerizing, bluing, blacking, and browning of iron and steel use
> chemical solutions that react with the iron of the steel alloy to form
> extremely hard (on Moh's scale they are around 7, which = quartz and is
> considered suitable for gems) darkly colored insoluble iron compounds
> that remain tenaciously attached to the surface. Plain old regular rust
> is in this category and forms the actual brown finish originally used
> on guns and other tools until around 1850 when developments in modern
> chemistry made bluing easy. Parkerizing forms the hard and insoluble
> black phosphate of iron, while the others form the various oxides and
> hydroxides of iron that are diversely colored black, blue, brown, dark
> olive green, deep red, and yellow. Another kind of bluing is from a
> class of iron compounds called "iron Werner coordination complex ions"
> and these are a very beautiful deep blue color chemically identical to
> Prussian blue.
>
> My favorite finish is the nearly black metallic graphite luster color
> and is the easiest to do. It also forms the hardest surface and resists
> minor scratching and abrasion quite well. It is made from 5 pounds of
> lye, 2.5 pounds of ammonium nitrate, and a gallon of water. You don't
> need to make up such a large amount if you don't need to, just use the
> same proportions. A United States gallon of water weighs exactly 8-1/3
> pounds if you want to make up the solution strictly by using weight.
> Although not poisonous in its final form, it is VERY dangerous to mix
> and MUST be done using gloves outside while wearing goggles to protect
> your eyes. SLOWLY add the ammonium nitrate into the water, stir, and
> then SLOWLY add in the lye about ? cup at a time while continuing the
> stirring. It will get very hot and if the lye is added too fast it will
> explode from the steam that forms. Lots of ammonia gas will be
> produced, too. After it is cool you can boil your iron parts in the
> solution. It acts very fast to make the black finish but the longer it
> is in the solution the thicker it will be. After boiling for ten
> minutes up to perhaps an hour wash the parts off in cold water.
>
> The standard Parkerizing solution is made from 365 grains of commercial
> phosphoric acid "syrup" (also called orthophosphoric acid syrup), 22
> grains of manganese dioxide, and a quart of distilled water. The parts
> are boiled in the solution for 4 hours and then rinsed in warm water
> for a few minutes followed by soaking in baking soda solution for a few
> minutes to kill any remaining solution. Distilled water can be added
> during the boiling to keep up the level if it loses more than a third
> of its volume. A Jerry-rigged Parkerizing solution can be made from 2
> tablespoons of phosphoric acid, a tablespoon of iron filings, and the
> black pasty contents of one new "D" or "C" size zinc-carbon (not an
> alkaline!)  flashlight battery mixed in a quart of water. The
> phosphoric acid can be obtained from a paint supply store and is used
> for treating steel before painting. The commercial acid is called Metal
> Etch, but that stuff is usually pretty dilute. Parkerizing makes a flat
> black or very dull dark gray color.
>
> The brown color can be made by keeping the steel parts in clay-type cat
> litter damped with weak salt or ammonium nitrate solution. This is just
> plain old rust, so don't get the idea that this is something fancy!
> Every few days the parts need to be removed and then wire brushed or
> rubbed down with steel wool to keep the surface from getting grainy.
> When done the parts have to be rinsed off with lots of warm water and
> after drying the metal can be protected with car wax, linseed oil,
> floor wax, etc.
>
> The deep blue color can be made by keeping the steel parts in a damp
> pasty gruel made from pulverized oak leaves for a few weeks. I don't
> know if dead dry or fresh green leaves work better. A paste made from
> green avocado tree leaves will also work. Like for making the brown
> finish, every few days the parts need to be removed and then wire
> brushed or rubbed down with steel wool to keep the surface from getting
> grainy. When done the parts have to be rinsed off with lots of warm
> water and after drying the metal can be protected with car wax, linseed
> oil, floor wax, etc. Boiling in a stew of oak leaves and galls will
> also work but I don't have any specific instructions on how that is
> done.
>
> The commercial cold bluing solutions contain selenium salts and are
> downright deadly if mishandled and selenium poisoning has no antidote!
> The ingredients to make solutions for the other colors are all pretty
> hard to get and are dangerous as well, and consequently I leave that
> stuff alone.
>
> Work and play safely (thanks, Rick!),
>
> Richard Allen
>
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From christison at coastalnet.com  Fri Dec 31 10:52:04 2004
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:52:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Another mystery engine
Message-ID: <410-220041253118524562@coastalnet.com>


Dick Welty of Temecula, California sent me some pictures of a neat little 
mystery engine.  I made a simple page with the pertinent information and
it can be accessed at: 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/welty/

Wishing everybody a Happy New Year!!

Ken Christison
Conway, NC
www.oldiron-nut.com




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Fri Dec 31 11:02:02 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:02:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Parkerizing, bluing, blacking, & browning iron
In-Reply-To: <BAY3-DAV3237E7EBD2F25E9278C146BB9D0@phx.gbl>
References: <20041230180939.26078.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com>
	<BAY3-DAV3237E7EBD2F25E9278C146BB9D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <74DEBF76-5B5E-11D9-ACDD-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

>   I wouldn't have a clue as where to look for ammonium nitrate...sounds
> scary.

Fertilizer store. 50 lb. bags.

I for one wouldn't want to try to immerse a lathe (which would first 
have to be absolutely perfectly degreased) in a 300?F bath of caustic 
bluing salts. Bluing's not that great as rust protection, anyway.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA




From solarrog at pacbell.net  Fri Dec 31 11:22:21 2004
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:22:21 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Another mystery engine
References: <410-220041253118524562@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <039c01c4ef6e$0d55bbe0$99007643@solar>

Dick the pictures are not showing.
can you fix that?

Roger DiRuscio,  Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont
Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor
scooters and bicycle motors. Pivate pilot 1981.  Fremont,Ca 94555
510-797-4000
Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly
web site.     scrapologist.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Christison" <christison at coastalnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"stationary-engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 10:52 AM
Subject: [SEL] Another mystery engine


>
> Dick Welty of Temecula, California sent me some pictures of a neat little
> mystery engine.  I made a simple page with the pertinent information and
> it can be accessed at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/welty/
>
> Wishing everybody a Happy New Year!!
>
> Ken Christison
> Conway, NC
> www.oldiron-nut.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Dec 31 11:14:32 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:14:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question
Message-ID: <20041231.141628.860.11.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Roger,

I'm getting quite a response from my stupid move.

But - I've always tended to learn the hard way.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
\/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Dec 31 11:22:42 2004
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:22:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Another mystery engine
In-Reply-To: <410-220041253118524562@coastalnet.com>
References: <410-220041253118524562@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <41D5A702.1090304@scrtc.com>

Ken,

    Never saw one like that.  I would bet that it was a shop built or 
school project engine.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Ken Christison wrote:

>Dick Welty of Temecula, California sent me some pictures of a neat little 
>mystery engine.  I made a simple page with the pertinent information and
>it can be accessed at: 
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/welty/
>
>Wishing everybody a Happy New Year!!
>
>Ken Christison
>Conway, NC
>www.oldiron-nut.com
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>




From christison at coastalnet.com  Fri Dec 31 11:28:07 2004
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:28:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Another mystery engine
Message-ID: <410-220041253119287234@coastalnet.com>

Try this Roger: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/welty/

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Roger DiRuscio <solarrog at pacbell.net>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 12/31/2004 2:20:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Another mystery engine
>
> Dick the pictures are not showing.
> can you fix that?





From christison at coastalnet.com  Fri Dec 31 11:37:08 2004
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:37:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Another mystery engine
Message-ID: <410-220041253119378734@coastalnet.com>

Tommy,

I was also thinking of that, thinking perhaps it was built for
a special application since the flywheel hangs out there a 
pretty long way.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 12/31/2004 2:26:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Another mystery engine
>
> Ken,
>
>     Never saw one like that.  I would bet that it was a shop built or 
> school project engine.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY






From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com  Fri Dec 31 14:01:23 2004
From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:01:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question
In-Reply-To: <20041231.095955.1208.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0412311648490.24123-100000@andrew2.netpluscom.com>

The core acts as cooling and as a conductor of the magnetic fields
generatoed by the coil of wire.
Now, a coil of wire will have a certain amount of resistance based on the
length and size, but when an electric current is applied to that coil the
resistance changes because of the electro-magnetic field acting on it. The
core helps conduct the magnetic field, the resistance gets higher causing
the coil to draw less current. It's called inductance, Now when you
remove that core it changes the pattern of concentration of the magnetic
field, (it would be weeker at the points where it needs to be
concentrated). When that happens then the design resistance of the coil
drops, it draws more current until it finally just burns up. Strange huh?

>From Andrew at
tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com
engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com
b10730 at hotmail.com

Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/
http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 jlb94 at juno.com wrote:

> Hi List,
>
> I had an engine running with a coil & battery.
> The coil was from a Techumsa ???  The battery - a small gell filled 12V.
>
>  Once I got the engine running, I decided to "Streamline" by taking the
> iron frame from around & through the coil.
>
> After hooking it back up - I didn't seem to be getting much spark -  When
> all of a sudden
> a loud SNAP !!!  and SMOKE - (The coil blew up.)
>
> Question :::  Does a coil NEED the iron core running throught the middle
> to work properly ?
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com
>  ,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
>  \/)"(\/         people might not know the difference."
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Dec 31 12:03:20 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:03:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Parkerizing/now bombs
In-Reply-To: <74DEBF76-5B5E-11D9-ACDD-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
References: <20041230180939.26078.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com>
	<BAY3-DAV3237E7EBD2F25E9278C146BB9D0@phx.gbl>
	<74DEBF76-5B5E-11D9-ACDD-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041231150205.023eb528@mail.alltel.net>

At 02:02 PM 12/31/2004, you wrote:
>>   I wouldn't have a clue as where to look for ammonium nitrate...sounds
>>scary.
>
>Fertilizer store. 50 lb. bags.
>
>John Culp

Kero can, then, be purchased at the nearest gas station!
         Dave 



From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Dec 31 11:16:04 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:16:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year
Message-ID: <20041231.141628.860.12.jlb94@juno.com>


Wishing everyone a HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!
From:   Joe & Sylvia Betz


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
 \/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz

From cjclem at sysim.net  Fri Dec 31 12:55:49 2004
From: cjclem at sysim.net (John)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:55:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Engines & Engineers Magazine?
Message-ID: <1104526549.41d5bcd5ecd35@webmail.sysim.net>

As a subscriber to this today I rec'd letter stating sold to Maryland 
person & also noting that last 2 issues didn't get published. Does 
anyone know what situation is with the former publishing company??  
First, I heard of it??



From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Dec 31 13:28:37 2004
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:28:37 EST
Subject: [SEL] electrical help OT
Message-ID: <146.3b68b63b.2f071e85@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/30/2004 7:19:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rotigel at alltel.net writes:

<< Second, urinate directly on the fence 
 wire--this works best if the ground is a bit damp. >>


Dave,

Much thanks for the advice, however I am ahead of you.  Due to somewhat old 
age creeping in and things changing, I have found that going out to the fence 
with bare feet and grabbing it I am instantaneously "charged" and run back into 
the house and into bed and hope it lasts lone enough to be rewarding!!!!  HA!

To all others that have replied, thanks and I am compiling of all things done 
to date and the results and will forward them to you.  Problem not solved 
yet, but learning more each day.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Dec 31 14:05:52 2004
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:05:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Don't look until 15 seconds before the New Year!
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041231170543.021bcec0@mail.alltel.net>

See: http://web.icq.com/friendship/swf/0,,16961_rs,00.swf 



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Fri Dec 31 15:01:23 2004
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:01:23 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Happy 2005
Message-ID: <001301c4ef8c$a6495460$3e636854@Sixmjohn>

All the best wishes for the New Year.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web




From solarrog at pacbell.net  Fri Dec 31 15:23:57 2004
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:23:57 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Another mystery engine
References: <410-220041253119287234@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <006d01c4ef8f$cdddbf40$d5037643@solar>

I dont understand it, I can get to the website and read the text, But no
pictures or links are shown, and yes I did turn off my Norton security. it
still didnt work
I WANTA SEE TOO!!!!!!!

Roger DiRuscio,  Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont
Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor
scooters and bicycle motors. Pivate pilot 1981.  Fremont,Ca 94555
510-797-4000
Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly
web site.     scrapologist.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Christison" <christison at coastalnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Another mystery engine


> Try this Roger: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/welty/
>
> Ken
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Roger DiRuscio <solarrog at pacbell.net>
> > To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 12/31/2004 2:20:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Another mystery engine
> >
> > Dick the pictures are not showing.
> > can you fix that?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From solarrog at pacbell.net  Fri Dec 31 15:26:48 2004
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:26:48 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question
References: <20041231.141628.860.11.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <008101c4ef90$3378cb60$d5037643@solar>

Ah Yes the school of hard knocks
I done been there my self and have a deegree
lol

Roger DiRuscio,  Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont
Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor
scooters and bicycle motors. Pivate pilot 1981.  Fremont,Ca 94555
510-797-4000 
Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly
web site.     scrapologist.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Coil Question


> Thanks Roger,
> 
> I'm getting quite a response from my stupid move.
> 
> But - I've always tended to learn the hard way.
> 
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
> jlb94 at juno.com
> ,-._,-.          "Never argue with a fool -
> \/)"(\/         people might not know the difference." 
> (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From weolson at wiktel.com  Fri Dec 31 15:39:42 2004
From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:39:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Engines & Engineers Magazine?
References: <1104526549.41d5bcd5ecd35@webmail.sysim.net>
Message-ID: <41D5E33E.5090606@wiktel.com>

I would think that you have or will be getting a letter from Brenda 
Stant, the new owner of E&E as I did today.  She mentioned that Mr 
Knowles has missed 2 issues and she will credit our subscriptions for 
those 2 issues.  She will be starting with the Feb-Mar issues.  If you 
do not get the letter from her, she said her e-maill address is 
 stant at threshermen.org  and you should be able to get info from here 
there.  She is planning on keeping the magazine going with no major 
changes.  Hope this helps.
   William Olson, Roosevelt, Minn

John wrote:

>As a subscriber to this today I rec'd letter stating sold to Maryland 
>person & also noting that last 2 issues didn't get published. Does 
>anyone know what situation is with the former publishing company??  
>First, I heard of it??
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>





From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 31 15:44:14 2004
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:44:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
Message-ID: <20041231234414.77730.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Folks,
Has anyone ever seen or heard of a engine that has 2 cylinders laying horizontal and next to each other with a horizontal crank? Something of the newer, higher speed type. Lets say a Briggs with 2 parallel side by side cylinders and a horizontal crank? Not apposed and not a vertical shaft. I'd like to find such an animal to put into a small homemade tractor I'm building.
Thanks
Ron



Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0

  http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846

" Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "

 

		
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From ELIDAS at aol.com  Fri Dec 31 15:57:06 2004
From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 18:57:06 EST
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
Message-ID: <1a4.2e5c7d51.2f074152@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/31/2004 6:45:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
ron217_2000 at yahoo.com writes:


Has  anyone ever seen or heard of a engine that has 2 cylinders laying 
horizontal  and next to each other with a horizontal crank? Something of the newer, 
higher  speed type. Lets say a Briggs with 2 parallel side by side cylinders 
and a  horizontal crank? Not apposed and not a vertical shaft. I'd like to find 
such  an animal to put into a small homemade tractor I'm  building.
Thanks



Coldwell twin. 3 1/2 HP at 1200. Flathead two flywheels.
Mike
      


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 31 16:37:45 2004
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 00:37:45 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill
In-Reply-To: <000401c4edbf$7f900d60$5a680b42@gnarmstrong>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F65D6DD85EB93B4F892DF0C89E0@phx.gbl>

Hi George,

Nope, it's not too early. I've had a few guys already asking if I could cut 
them some. The main problem for me will be finding wood to use for the 
shingles.  Would want to make sure it is nail and metal free.  I know that 
cedar is popular, but finding it could be a problem. Not sure what other 
types of wood can be used for shingles.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
=======================
>From: "George & Norma Armstrong" <gnarmstrong at netnitco.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Shingle Mill
>Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:00:15 -0600
>
>Luke,
>   Is it to early to place an order for shingles??       George




From ozengine at yahoo.com.au  Fri Dec 31 16:55:07 2004
From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 11:55:07 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] The SEL makes it to 2005
Message-ID: <20050101005507.46852.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com>

G'day mates

Looks like there's no need to worry about the health
of our SEL. Richard's mighty response on the blueing
thread just goes to show how good it can be....

The SEL has made it, intact and in good shape. Good
health to the SEL (I guess that means all of us) in
2005!  :-))

Graham in Oz



Message: 3
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:09:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Richard Allen <linstrum55 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [SEL] Parkerizing, bluing, blacking, &
browning iron 
To: Stationary Engine List
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Parkerizing, bluing, blacking, and browning of iron
and steel use
chemical solutions that react with the iron of the 

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http://au.movies.yahoo.com


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Dec 31 17:18:02 2004
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 20:18:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coil Question
Message-ID: <20041231.203341.1300.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Andrew,

Strange ?? Naw ! 

Strange was how high I jumped when it exploded.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com
 ,-._,-.          "A friend is someone who doesn't
 \/)"(\/        buy your child a drum for Christmas " 
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 31 18:14:55 2004
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 20:14:55 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Another mystery engine
References: <410-220041253119287234@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <008501c4efa7$b1ddb350$230110ac@PAUL>

I cannot see them either Ken and I even tried this new site.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Christison" <christison at coastalnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Another mystery engine


> Try this Roger: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/welty/
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Roger DiRuscio <solarrog at pacbell.net>
>> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Date: 12/31/2004 2:20:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Another mystery engine
>>
>> Dick the pictures are not showing.
>> can you fix that?
> 




From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Fri Dec 31 18:19:59 2004
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 20:19:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill
Message-ID: <000401c4efa8$67fb8ea0$9c680b42@gnarmstrong>

Hi Luke,
  We use cedar in our club shingle mill and it is usually sawn for us into
the correct size blocks by another clubs sawmill.   Best wishes for the new
year.    George
-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, December 31, 2004 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Shingle Mill


>Hi George,
>
>Nope, it's not too early. I've had a few guys already asking if I could cut
>them some. The main problem for me will be finding wood to use for the
>shingles.  Would want to make sure it is nail and metal free.  I know that
>cedar is popular, but finding it could be a problem. Not sure what other
>types of wood can be used for shingles.
>
>Luke Tonneberger
>Rockford, Michigan
>USA
>=======================
>>From: "George & Norma Armstrong" <gnarmstrong at netnitco.net>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Shingle Mill
>>Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:00:15 -0600
>>
>>Luke,
>>   Is it to early to place an order for shingles??       George
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Fri Dec 31 18:23:12 2004
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 20:23:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?
Message-ID: <000d01c4efa8$d8471da0$9c680b42@gnarmstrong>

Ron,
   John Deere made just such an engine for years and they also put them into
a tractor.    George
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Frost, Kersey, PA <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com>
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, December 31, 2004 5:45 PM
Subject: [SEL] Did they ever make?


>Hi Folks,
>Has anyone ever seen or heard of a engine that has 2 cylinders laying
horizontal and next to each other with a horizontal crank? Something of the
newer, higher speed type. Lets say a Briggs with 2 parallel side by side
cylinders and a horizontal crank? Not apposed and not a vertical shaft. I'd
like to find such an animal to put into a small homemade tractor I'm
building.
>Thanks
>Ron
>
>
>
>Ron Frost
>Kersey, PA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0
>
>  http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
>
>" Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "
>
>
>
>
>---------------------------------
>Do you Yahoo!?
> The all-new My Yahoo! ? Get yours free!
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From glenn.karch at gte.net  Fri Dec 31 20:51:37 2004
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 22:51:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Shingle Mill
References: <000401c4efa8$67fb8ea0$9c680b42@gnarmstrong>
Message-ID: <002d01c4efbd$96561da0$df29ea41@oemcomputer>

Luke,

Our club has a shingle mill.  We use mainly cedar, but we also use catalpa
and have cut a few cypress.  Our shingle miller, who is our local barber,
has a sign up in his shop for years asking for cedar and some shows up once
in a while.  We were lucky that a strong wind came through an area east of
us.  Of all places, it hit hard at Cedar Farms.  Having good connections
with the owner we got the remains of several large cedar trees that were
blown down.

We use 18" long pieces to cut.  You can start with any odd shape and square
three sides with the mill and then start making shingles.  Half is shingles
and half is sawdust.  We made a bundling device and a saw to trim rough
edges.  We use some of the shigles in our club buildings and sell some here
and there.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: "George & Norma Armstrong" <gnarmstrong at netnitco.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Shingle Mill


> Hi Luke,
>   We use cedar in our club shingle mill and it is usually sawn for us into
> the correct size blocks by another clubs sawmill.   Best wishes for the
new
> year.    George
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Friday, December 31, 2004 7:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Shingle Mill
>
>
> >Hi George,
> >
> >Nope, it's not too early. I've had a few guys already asking if I could
cut
> >them some. The main problem for me will be finding wood to use for the
> >shingles.  Would want to make sure it is nail and metal free.  I know
that
> >cedar is popular, but finding it could be a problem. Not sure what other
> >types of wood can be used for shingles.
> >
> >Luke Tonneberger
> >Rockford, Michigan
> >USA
> >=======================
> >>From: "George & Norma Armstrong" <gnarmstrong at netnitco.net>
> >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Shingle Mill
> >>Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:00:15 -0600
> >>
> >>Luke,
> >>   Is it to early to place an order for shingles??       George
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Fri Dec 31 22:43:07 2004
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 01:43:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: One For The New Year!
Message-ID: <6526C860-5BC0-11D9-8346-00039352D07A@chartertn.net>

http://guitarchat.net/modules/jinzora/Media_player/Ricochet/ 
AuldLangSyne.mp3

  Also at: http://oldengine.org/members/culp/AuldLangSyne.mp3

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA