From johnwyant at revealed.net Sun Aug 1 05:23:02 2004 From: johnwyant at revealed.net (johnwyant) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 07:23:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine Clipart Message-ID: <200408011223.i71CNFst036364@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi List, I've been trying to find asome good engine clipart and not having much luck. I suppose I could make some up but I was hoping to save time and find some quality clipart already made. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks John Wyant 13719 81st St. Coal Valley, IL. 61240 Email johnwyant at revealed.net Website http://www.transplus.biz Photo's http://community.webshots.com/user/johnwyant1 From adamcottrill at telstra.com Sun Aug 1 05:36:05 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 22:36:05 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Message-ID: <495db4497dce.497dce495db4@email.bigpond.com> Hi Leroy, Mate thanks for your spirited response, I thought id break your email down to answer it easier I hope you dont mind. how many of your top brass accept pay for their positions? To my knowledge none, however I do believe costs associated with posting and copying are drawn from Assoc funds however there is no salary for the any of the positions. When communicating with over 7000 members Nationally I do think it is resonable to recoup some costs of printing dont you? and also see Patricks response how many of them rally ever exhibit?? The previous president I know exhibited all the time and always attended our rally every year over the past 10 years which was a 15 hour drive across two states.The newly appointed president I havent meet yet so I honestly have no idea. This press release, is it written by a lawyer, or who gets paid for the writing of it? Is being writting by a local young female journalist for no charge in effort for her to gain some event experience she has become the markerting co-ordinator of the rally. The reason such a media release is being written is because the rally is National and in effort to get the CORRECT information to everybody the organisers felt this the way to go. I should also add here the body is National the rally isnt acutally being run by the Assoc as such is its being hosted by a machinery club every two years it is up for offer to any club in the Assoc who would like to host it and that club sends in a nomination then a vote one from each club is done and the host club with the highest number of votes gets the rally. I do join all the shows with which I exhibit, the cost runs me around 5.00-10.00 dollars each, again this is all directly going to the CLUB.... now if you tell me that my membership to your national is good at each and every show you do then this will be a wash The option is here to join as many clubs as you like however you only pay the insurance fee ($12) once per year at a club you may for a lack of a better term call your home club the remainder of those membership fees Id assume would be spent by each club you might like to join as they seen fit. Oh I also think that each club should have the chance to have a member on the national staff too? Each club has in effect one vote and it is at the clubs discression should they wish to vote or not should an occasion rise to do so. And as far a camping I pay for this privilege also. again 5.00- 15-00 per event. If I can hand ball this one over to the soon to be out press release this will be addressed. after all in today's world even the most out dated events have semis with showers in them for a small fee.. And the cost of electric is near nothing once it is installed..... Andfood!!!!!!!!!!! Since the event is not held at the same place every time, resources to cater for an event of this size need to be bought in and unfortunately it costs. Remembering this is not a Portland in regards to being held the same place each year things like perminant facilities arent realistic to build. again see the forth comming press release. Adam, one last question, do you, personal or your national, have signs for your engins that say "PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH" ? ohhh I almost forgot about the fencey thing! As sarcastic as you may have been sadly it is true the insurance company requires signs to be placed on fences "no public admittance" And in a case recently when a child got knocked down by a tractor when she and her brother climbed over the fence and started playing on the tractor which rolled back on her this was the one thing that saved the club whos name will not be mentioned for being successfully sued for negligence. If the fence and insurance thing is right or wrong, Not American or what ever you wish to call it, there is no choice to rally organisers to have fences and signs etc. Id rather not bring up the fence thing again but its the reality we face here in Australia I hope this answers your questions Leroy let me know if ive missed anything. Cheers, Adam From bolhuis at amtelecom.net Sun Aug 1 06:40:57 2004 From: bolhuis at amtelecom.net (Bob & Sheila Bolhuis) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 09:40:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Clipart References: <200408011223.i71CNFst036364@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <000401c477cd$2c98d0f0$6700a8c0@EMACHINE> Here are a few animated ones. http://www.keveney.com/Engines.html http://www3.sympatico.ca/watership_down/Animations.htm http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Mesa/7163/gif.html Bob & Sheila Bolhuis RR#4 Aylmer , Ont, Can N5H-2R3 519-765-3337 From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sun Aug 1 07:51:02 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:51:02 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Air-cooled vertical; IHC Famous References: <200408011223.i71CNFst036364@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <000401c477cd$2c98d0f0$6700a8c0@EMACHINE> Message-ID: <001d01c477d6$f99d0360$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Hi gang, Is there anyone on the SEL that has, or has pictures of an air-cooled International Famous? I'm in the progress in restoring mine. I've got a complete engine from a friend that I can use to make copy's of the parts I need, but his has quite some "homemade" parts as well. Thanks, Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sun Aug 1 11:59:39 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 20:59:39 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Air-cooled vertical; IHC Famous References: <200408011223.i71CNFst036364@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org><000401c477cd$2c98d0f0$6700a8c0@EMACHINE> <001d01c477d6$f99d0360$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: <001101c477f9$b2e09040$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Harry, I have a few pics of air-cooled vert. engines, maybe it's of any help. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Aircooled.htm C-ya, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Hi gang, > Is there anyone on the SEL that has, or has pictures of an air-cooled > International Famous? > I'm in the progress in restoring mine. I've got a complete engine from a > friend that I can use to make copy's of the parts I need, but his has quite > some "homemade" parts as well. > Thanks, > > Harry Terpstra From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sun Aug 1 13:22:49 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 22:22:49 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Air-cooled vertical; IHC Famous References: <200408011223.i71CNFst036364@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <000401c477cd$2c98d0f0$6700a8c0@EMACHINE> <001d01c477d6$f99d0360$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> <001101c477f9$b2e09040$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <002f01c47805$534ab0f0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Hi John, Yeh they sure are of help!! I can use as many pictures I can find;-) I started to rebuilt mine today, and all the moving parts (cylinder, and all bearings are in top condition. However much of the external parts need to be made. I heard that the HSCS was running top on it's mag again this last week? TTYL, Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Air-cooled vertical; IHC Famous > Hi Harry, > > I have a few pics of air-cooled vert. engines, maybe > it's of any help. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Aircooled.htm > > C-ya, > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sun Aug 1 15:02:08 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 23:02:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] good day !! Message-ID: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> Hi All Well this morning bright and early me and Dolly drove over to the internal fire museum run by Paul and Hazel Evans about a 200 mile run each way but what a day!! The drive through the Welsh country side and down the coastline to the museum in full sun and blue sky was truly beautiful Only about two weeks ago me and Arnie spent the day with Paul and I was looking forward to see the engines (Hazel and Paul also) On arrival we met Hazel, and see Paul in front of the museum unloading two road rollers off a truck. With this done, Dolly and Hazel went off to work on an embroidery project and Paul began to run engines . The amount of work that has been completed in just 18 months is trully mind boggling,when you start looking around at the concrete engine plinths the pipework for compressed air, fuel and cooling in TWO display buildings and all the safety rails all done with the help of just a couple of helpers who are very committed. To watch Paul go through the different procedures for each engine, about ten ranging from starting handles to baring big flywheels over into starting position for air starts and man handling a 6'6'' flywheel up to speed and dropping the decompression for an impressive start of the "baby" Ruston. As the day flew past and people arrived we got to see Paul re start engines for various parties Once when talking to Hazel I could hear the Bellis and Morcambe running and thought it had been shut down I went into the engine area and see Paul at the "run wheel " nursing the engine at an incredibly slow speed showing some people the control of it!! If anyone is lucky enough to get to the UK (Wales) or is reading this here in the UK I would strongly recommend a visit to the museum. I can't wait to get back there and take Andy, my brother, to see it all (good an excuse as any!). I'd like to get involved on a practical side too, but for the moment all I've been able to do is loan a speed indicator which Paul thought would go better with one of the engines on display than be an extra dust collecter here at home!! Great day. Jim -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From falcon at telenet.net Sun Aug 1 15:24:06 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 18:24:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Harbor Freight store opening SOON Message-ID: <007001c47816$42d9cc40$461117d1@net.telenet.net> Utica NY. I also heard they are planning to put one in Albany by next year.... http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/retail_stores.taf?f=detail&Retail_Store_ID=173 Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY From asouth at strato.net Sun Aug 1 16:11:17 2004 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 19:11:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Is Larry Billbee (spelling of last name may be incorrect) on SEL or Tractor List? Message-ID: <013701c4781c$da145700$d500a8c0@ARTHUR> Anyone know Larry Billbee from around Clermont (Indy) IN ? Suppose to be an Iron & Tractor collector. Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Aug 1 17:44:53 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 20:44:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] good day !! In-Reply-To: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> That's great, Jim! Wish I could see it in person! John On Aug 1, 2004, at 6:02 PM, Jim French wrote: > Hi All > Well this morning bright and early me and Dolly drove over to the > internal fire museum run by Paul and Hazel Evans about a 200 mile run > each way but what a day!! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Sun Aug 1 17:47:37 2004 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 20:47:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Is Larry Billbee (spelling of last name may be incorrect)on SEL or Tractor List? References: <013701c4781c$da145700$d500a8c0@ARTHUR> Message-ID: <002f01c4782a$75be93c0$87e0a841@ibm22761389857> I see him at Portland every year - just about 4 weeks away! Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Southwell" To: "Antique Tractor List" ; "ATIS-SEL" Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 19:11 Subject: [SEL] OT Is Larry Billbee (spelling of last name may be incorrect)on SEL or Tractor List? Anyone know Larry Billbee from around Clermont (Indy) IN ? Suppose to be an Iron & Tractor collector. Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Aug 1 18:03:43 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:03:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally References: <488fe748b808.48b808488fe7@email.bigpond.com> <410BC11F.5090808@udata.com> Message-ID: <004101c4782c$8eb817a0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Leroy I note that both Patrick and Adam have offered comprehensive answers to your questions. However there are a couple of other points that need to be made. I was Secretary of the Association for two years and committee member for a further two years. I was nominated by my local club and elected by the other clubs that were in attendance at the National Rally in Busselton, WA. The term of office is only two years and thereafter onl;y elected if yuo are nominated and elected for a further term. It is voluntary - there is no remuneration and you have to meet your own costs to attend the annual meeting, which could be anywhere in Oz depending on which club offers the Committee space for its conduct. I attended meetings in Ballarat, Vic, Henty, NSW, and near Launceston, Tas all at my own expense. The Committee of the Association does not run the National Rally, clubs "bid" for the "honour" and are selected by the members clubsat the previous National Rally. When I was Secretary I was reimbursed out of pocket expenses on the production of receipts forwarded to the Treasurer. I managed to do my printing at work - I was a Public Servant - so this saved costs for the Association. I believe the Secretary after me ( a farmer) had to go to a larger country town for their printing to be done professionally - a larger cost. The Association is some 8000 members strong in something like 110 clubs and if members disagree with the direction of the Committee (12 people) they can seek election to it and bring their own ideas to fruition if approved by the members. As I said you are only elected for two years. I must say it is a thankless task - your damned if you do and your damned if you don't. However, I found it good experience and learnt a lot particularly regarding insuance matters, local and State government requirements and met a lot of nice people. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy C." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 1:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally > Adam Cottrill wrote: > > >However I will ask the question and see (if it isnt included in the press release) if the organisers will disclose more actuals or at least give me access and permission of them so I can ask them on here for you guys to view. > > > >I hope Arnie you believe this is pushing the ball enough to get the response you suggested, if not please suggest another angle you feel is required which I can take. > > > >Kind regards, > > Adam > > > > > > > > Adam, not being a mud slinger here, BUT her is your next > angle...... how many of your top brass accept pay for their positions? > How many of them also pad themselves with the printing costs, own the > printers, or how many of them really ever exhibit?? Ohhh now maybe I > see some light here, these fine national folks would rather govern the > masses and not worry about the rules them selves? See "IF" the national > is as big as you are stating then it looks like they could control the > rules (hmmmm I have read this already) and if the fence issue was to be > challenged by them it might go away, again who owns the rental fences > and also sells fences????????? This press release, is it written by a > lawyer, or who gets paid for the writing of it? Also is it true a new > one is needed each time you hold a nat. rally ( hmmm every two years > different clubs). And how many of these directors, sounding like > dictators...., decide the gates and just where the fund go from them? > See here in Ahio you have to join to be a member to exhibit, not my > rule! but I do join all the shows with which I exhibit, the cost runs me > around 5.00-10.00 dollars each, again this is all directly going to the > CLUB.... now if you tell me that my membership to your national is good > at each and every show you do then this will be a wash. Oh I also think > that each club should have the chance to have a member on the national > staff too? And as far a camping I pay for this privilege also. again > 5.00- 15-00 per event. Did I mention that this includes electric hook-up > and a dump station for my ole camper and lest me to forget a hot shower > any time of day or night, I missed it, your national has these same > advantages? CORRECT???????? after all in today's world even the most > out dated events have semis with showers in them for a small fee.. And > the cost of electric is near nothing once it is installed..... And > food!!!!!!!!!!! At 4 feet 10 inches wide you could say I LOVE TO EAT! > see it has become part of my daily habit, but when I do attend shows it > is my choosing where and what to eat. After all some shows will feed me > "FREE" fresh roasting corn and also fresh melon, again free... And other > shows will allow only civic organizations to sell food on there grounds, > yeas they purchase the rights to be on the grounds but what a way to > build your organizations funds. still others will offer you everything > you can imagine to eat again at very little cost.. I even know of one > show that has in the past held beer tasting events with the only cost > being beers of your liking. Yes your plaques are very very nice and > something to admire. ours are plate brass with stencil on them... But > let me see,,,,,, if I had to purchase them then it would be a no > brainer to pass them up. After all this is still a > HOBBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Have you and the other members of your national > forgot this? Seems to me that it might be time for you, the national, to > do some gut checking. See I can still run my engins at home and enjoy > them, I can invite select friends over and also enjoy them, I can > probably even talk my friends into allowing me to start there engins and > enjoy the sounds of them also. The reason to go to the shows are for > John Q. Public... Yes I enjoy the shows and yes I enjoy the fellowship > which occurs at these events also... BUT trust me when I tell you I CAN > DO THIS AT HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hmmmmmmmmmm now if it is the idea of > this national to help cripple the hobby and make lots of money for there > own use then maybe, yes MAYBE, you are heading in the right > direction... Here in the states, many of the old car collectors started > some of the same things I see you doing and now "they" are a select > group with their noses in the air, ask them a question and see if you > get an honest answer, again many of the recent reading on this list have > this taste to them, All posts not one person. > Adam, one last question, do you, personal or your national, have > signs for your engins that say "PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH" ? ohhh I almost > forgot about the fencey thing! > PS I have some 6 feet privacy for sale cheap and will it will allow you > bathroom use for your next camp outing. Have a nice day > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnwyant at revealed.net Sun Aug 1 20:16:18 2004 From: johnwyant at revealed.net (johnwyant) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 22:16:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine Clipart In-Reply-To: <000401c477cd$2c98d0f0$6700a8c0@EMACHINE> Message-ID: <200408020316.i723GPst091786@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Thanks for the reply . some really neat stuff there. John -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bob & Sheila Bolhuis Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 8:41 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Clipart Here are a few animated ones. http://www.keveney.com/Engines.html http://www3.sympatico.ca/watership_down/Animations.htm http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Mesa/7163/gif.html Bob & Sheila Bolhuis RR#4 Aylmer , Ont, Can N5H-2R3 519-765-3337 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Aug 1 09:50:47 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:50:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Test, Please ignore Message-ID: <001601c477e7$b1d5dc30$06856ad5@one> Just checking if I am getting any posts from list. Dave Croft Warrington England From driggars at earthlink.net Sun Aug 1 23:04:51 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 01:04:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test, Please ignore References: <001601c477e7$b1d5dc30$06856ad5@one> Message-ID: <024e01c47856$a0c1ea00$cfa2e104@clinton> Dave came in loud and clear here in North Texas Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 11:50 AM Subject: [SEL] Test, Please ignore > Just checking if I am getting any posts from list. > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 2 09:50:01 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 12:50:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Mark Message-ID: <410E70B9.8060300@imc-group.com> Maytag Mark, Would you please contact me off list. I do not have your address on file.... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 2 10:07:40 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 13:07:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag questions Message-ID: <410E74DC.9020602@imc-group.com> Have a few questions for you Maytag experts: 1) What is a good way to brighten the aluminum flywheel on a Maytag? I used air conditioning fin cleaning acid and this was a good start but it is not brilliant shiny yet. 2) On a twin, what is/are the correct colors for each piece supposed to be? 3) At the outboard edge of the main bearing/bushings is something that looks like it may have been a seal at one time. Are there seals/felt or something that is supposed to be there? 4) Which way is the crown on the pistons to be oriented? When I took it apart one had the slope facing the exhaust port the other facing the intake port. Bet that didn't run well! 5) What is a good method to attach one of these to the skids? 6) Is there supposed to be a gasket between the bottom of the crankcase and the top of the gas tank? 7) What is the 1/4 pipe plug in the top of the crankcase for? Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From bolhuis at amtelecom.net Mon Aug 2 10:27:53 2004 From: bolhuis at amtelecom.net (Bob & Sheila Bolhuis) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:27:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Mark References: <410E70B9.8060300@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000401c478b6$0f90def0$6700a8c0@EMACHINE> Hi Curt, Mark is very busy right now working long hours getting set up for the NOAMA show at Findlay Ohio. I doubt if he'll see his email till late tonight if at all. In any case his email is frappi at wcoil.com See Y'all at Findlay !!! Bob Bob & Sheila Bolhuis RR#4 Aylmer , Ont, Can N5H-2R3 519-765-3337 From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Aug 2 11:41:26 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 19:41:26 +0100 Subject: [SEL] good day !! References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> Humble apologies from an ignorant old git. After switching the computer off, and feeling quite proud of his emailing and the day, Jim lay in bed and remembered that he should have put a link to Internal Fire in his email. So here it is: http://www.semidiesel.com/ And while we're in this apology thing, for the first time ever, I forgot to take my camera out with me :-( However, Jim did get some pics when he was there with Arnie, so I'll try to get those up on a webpage of their own, without waiting for Arnie to finish his report of the trip (s). And also, it makes an excuse to go over there again to get some pictures! Dolly John Culp wrote: > That's great, Jim! Wish I could see it in person! > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From jhcullom at adelphia.net Mon Aug 2 11:44:31 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:44:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - Quiet generator References: <010b01c4731d$b5446220$6401a8c0@john> Message-ID: <01c601c478c0$bfd8d8d0$6401a8c0@john> Hi Fellas, I'm in the market for a generator for my household use when the power goes out, preferably a real quiet one. Has anybody had any experience with any? I've heard Honda & Yamaha are up there amoungst the quiet ones, is that true? You can reply off-list. Thanks, John From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Aug 2 12:51:42 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:51:42 EDT Subject: [SEL] Maytag questions Message-ID: In a message dated 8/2/2004 11:40:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: Have a few questions for you Maytag experts: Curt, Try this site. It has helped me find the answers to Maytags. http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Maytag_SM.pdf Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 2 12:48:06 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytag questions In-Reply-To: <410E74DC.9020602@imc-group.com> References: <410E74DC.9020602@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, Since Maytag Mark is busy setting up this week's show in Findlay, Ohio, allow me to answer your questions. On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Curt Holland wrote: > 1) What is a good way to brighten the aluminum flywheel on a Maytag? I > used air conditioning fin cleaning acid and this was a good start but it > is not brilliant shiny yet. I recommend tumbling. I would use an old cement mixer and add large pieces of broken brick and concrete block. A couple of weeks should do it. > 2) On a twin, what is/are the correct colors for each piece supposed to be? Black. > 3) At the outboard edge of the main bearing/bushings is something that > looks like it may have been a seal at one time. Are there seals/felt or > something that is supposed to be there? JB Weld or PC-7 works really well. > 4) Which way is the crown on the pistons to be oriented? When I took it > apart one had the slope facing the exhaust port the other facing the > intake port. Bet that didn't run well! Doesn't matter. They never run anyway. > 5) What is a good method to attach one of these to the skids? A coal miner's pick driven down through the crank-case and embedded in the wood looks just about perfect. > 6) Is there supposed to be a gasket between the bottom of the crankcase > and the top of the gas tank? Not necessary. > 7) What is the 1/4 pipe plug in the top of the crankcase for? The fuse... Hope that helps.... See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 2 13:04:15 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] good day !! In-Reply-To: <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Dolly, On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Jim French wrote: > However, Jim did get some pics when he was there with Arnie, so I'll try to > get those up on a webpage of their own, without waiting for Arnie to finish > his report of the trip (s). And also, it makes an excuse to go over there > again to get some pictures! > Dolly And don't forget the pics I took when I was there with Jim. They are all still on YOUR laptop. And as far as trip reports go, you seem to have forgotten the work completed under your "International Beer for Pages" program... 8-)) And now that you've gotten your hands on a new Firebolt 10001 (turbo), who knows WHEN those might get released to the net.... See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From falcon at telenet.net Mon Aug 2 13:31:04 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:31:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - Quiet generator References: <010b01c4731d$b5446220$6401a8c0@john> <01c601c478c0$bfd8d8d0$6401a8c0@john> Message-ID: <003201c478cf$a3051840$3c5c14d0@net.telenet.net> Onan makes the quietest ones on the market, but they are not the cheapest. If your only using it for temp use once in a while you could buy a cheaper one and route the exhaust through an auto muffler. I did that with a Generac and it is real quiet now as long as I don't aim the exhaust toward a wall. Seems to be OK powering stuff around here. I also have a large surplus unit that is quiet but not very portable. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 2:44 PM Subject: [SEL] OT - Quiet generator > Hi Fellas, > I'm in the market for a generator for my household use when the power > goes out, preferably a real quiet one. Has anybody had any experience with > any? I've heard Honda & Yamaha are up there amoungst the quiet ones, is that > true? You can reply off-list. > Thanks, > John > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Aug 2 14:15:06 2004 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:15:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag questions References: <410E74DC.9020602@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004a01c478d5$c933d140$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> Loved this one! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag questions > Hi Curt, > > Since Maytag Mark is busy setting up this week's show in Findlay, Ohio, > allow me to answer your questions. > > On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Curt Holland wrote: > > > 1) What is a good way to brighten the aluminum flywheel on a Maytag? I > > used air conditioning fin cleaning acid and this was a good start but it > > is not brilliant shiny yet. > > I recommend tumbling. I would use an old cement mixer and add large > pieces of broken brick and concrete block. A couple of weeks should do > it. > > > 2) On a twin, what is/are the correct colors for each piece supposed to be? > > Black. > > > 3) At the outboard edge of the main bearing/bushings is something that > > looks like it may have been a seal at one time. Are there seals/felt or > > something that is supposed to be there? > > JB Weld or PC-7 works really well. > > > 4) Which way is the crown on the pistons to be oriented? When I took it > > apart one had the slope facing the exhaust port the other facing the > > intake port. Bet that didn't run well! > > Doesn't matter. They never run anyway. > > > 5) What is a good method to attach one of these to the skids? > > A coal miner's pick driven down through the crank-case and embedded in the > wood looks just about perfect. > > > 6) Is there supposed to be a gasket between the bottom of the crankcase > > and the top of the gas tank? > > Not necessary. > > > 7) What is the 1/4 pipe plug in the top of the crankcase for? > > The fuse... > > Hope that helps.... > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rexhinz at chorus.net Mon Aug 2 15:56:42 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:56:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag questions References: <410E74DC.9020602@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001201c478e3$fd5fa670$0f86a5d8@mycomputer> Arnie ; I'll have to try your methods sounds like real expert advice , I'll bet Curt has it running by now , If not maybe Dave Rotigel has some real good advice also, I'll have to try the coal minners pick trick as mine keeps rattling the bolts loose from the kick starter :-))) Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "SEL(new)" Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 12:07 PM Subject: [SEL] Maytag questions > Have a few questions for you Maytag experts: > > 1) What is a good way to brighten the aluminum flywheel on a Maytag? I > used air conditioning fin cleaning acid and this was a good start but it > is not brilliant shiny yet. > > 2) On a twin, what is/are the correct colors for each piece supposed to be? > > 3) At the outboard edge of the main bearing/bushings is something that > looks like it may have been a seal at one time. Are there seals/felt or > something that is supposed to be there? > > 4) Which way is the crown on the pistons to be oriented? When I took it > apart one had the slope facing the exhaust port the other facing the > intake port. Bet that didn't run well! > > 5) What is a good method to attach one of these to the skids? > > 6) Is there supposed to be a gasket between the bottom of the crankcase > and the top of the gas tank? > > 7) What is the 1/4 pipe plug in the top of the crankcase for? > > Thanks, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Aug 2 16:27:31 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:27:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] good day !! In-Reply-To: <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <8662979C-E4DB-11D8-8CFA-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > an ignorant old git. Just learned that term a few weeks ago, from a Brit on Big Road Blues. :-) John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Aug 2 17:21:32 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:21:32 EDT Subject: [SEL] list mail Message-ID: I am still having problems with AOL and receiving the list mail. I have received none since last Thursday with the exception that for some reason the ones posted from John Culp come thru. Isn't that strange??? AOL says they need Spencer to once again contact them on my account to resolve the problem, and I tell them that they are the ones who caused the problem and therefore they are the ones to resolve it with me. I had to contact Spencer 3 weeks ago to resolve this very same problem. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rexhinz at chorus.net Mon Aug 2 17:53:46 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:53:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] BREAKING MAYTAG NEWS Message-ID: <003301c478f4$7becb400$0f86a5d8@mycomputer> inteligance has revealed it has recieved information that terrorists are now planning an all out attack on the 2004 Badger Steam and Gas Show in Baraboo, Wisconsin , Aug 20th-22nd , Experts say they have very reliable sources stating the Terroists plan on droping Non Running Maytag engines on unsuspecting engine displays , spilling putrid unburned gasoline and oil from back in the thirties ,Also watch for Maytags with AXES or PICKS burried in their crankcases, Inteligance also explains Non Running Maytag engines add up to about 99.9% of all Maytags produced , However if your at the show and you pick up some of the dropped engines they can bring a hardy income on Ebay even with most parts missing , End. Rex Ps Just Kidding , I actualy got two Matags that run , three or four revelutions with the spark plug in about 10 with the spark plug out From solarrog at pacbell.net Mon Aug 2 12:33:26 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:33:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT - Quiet generator References: <010b01c4731d$b5446220$6401a8c0@john> <01c601c478c0$bfd8d8d0$6401a8c0@john> Message-ID: <037001c478c7$968f8670$316a7343@solar> John the Honda EU inverter series is very quite. will 3000 watts handle your load? I have not seen this series larger than that yet. I think the yamaha/s are still running at 3600 rpm (noisier) But I do not follow there products very closely. Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 11:44 AM Subject: [SEL] OT - Quiet generator > Hi Fellas, > I'm in the market for a generator for my household use when the power > goes out, preferably a real quiet one. Has anybody had any experience with > any? I've heard Honda & Yamaha are up there amoungst the quiet ones, is that > true? You can reply off-list. > Thanks, > John > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Aug 2 18:07:02 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:07:02 EDT Subject: [SEL] list mail Message-ID: <67.2f7213a5.2e403f36@aol.com> In a message dated 8/2/2004 5:30:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Germoamer at aol.com writes: I am still having problems with AOL and receiving the list mail. Tom. What version of AOL are you using? I start having problems with the list when I installed Version 9.0. I had to readjust my email spam filter to accept all emails. You get to this filter by clicking on "Settings" and then go to spam control. Perhaps this will help you. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From jhcullom at adelphia.net Mon Aug 2 19:23:59 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:23:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - Quiet generator References: <010b01c4731d$b5446220$6401a8c0@john><01c601c478c0$bfd8d8d0$6401a8c0@john> <003201c478cf$a3051840$3c5c14d0@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <034b01c47900$ef710960$6401a8c0@john> Thanks for the suggestions on the generators. What I had in mind was to sell the 2 I have now & buy a quiet one, however, I like Steve's suggestion of running a pipe & installing a muffler. That way I could keep the best one & use the money from the other for engine parts (obligatory engine reference). John From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Mon Aug 2 20:41:27 2004 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:41:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] list mail Message-ID: <1cd.276ff2da.2e406367@aol.com> In a message dated 8/2/2004 5:30:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Germoamer at aol.com writes: > I am still having problems with AOL and receiving the list mail. I have > received none since last Thursday with the exception that for some reason > the ones > posted from John Culp come thru. Isn't that strange??? AOL says they need > Spencer Ditto ,here Tom....I received a couple of Arnie's and this one from you, and thats all! Hope someone clears it up! WinkAndGinger at aol.com Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV Members of W.A.P.A, (Western Antique Power Associates) The older the violin....the sweeter the music! From solarrog at pacbell.net Mon Aug 2 21:57:57 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:57:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT - Quiet generator References: <010b01c4731d$b5446220$6401a8c0@john><01c601c478c0$bfd8d8d0$6401a8c0@john><003201c478cf$a3051840$3c5c14d0@net.telenet.net> <034b01c47900$ef710960$6401a8c0@john> Message-ID: <042c01c47916$71ed6040$316a7343@solar> John go down to a local shop and listen to a honda EU series run, you will go home and grab your maytag axe and work your old gen set over, Trust me you will like them P.S. I do not work for Honda Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - Quiet generator > Thanks for the suggestions on the generators. What I had in mind was to > sell the 2 I have now & buy a quiet one, however, I like Steve's > suggestion of running a pipe & installing a muffler. That way I > could keep the best one & use the money from the other for engine parts > (obligatory engine reference). > John > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Aug 2 22:11:23 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 01:11:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] list mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9029B0FC-E50B-11D8-9BE7-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> I'd say that's strange! John On Aug 2, 2004, at 8:21 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > I am still having problems with AOL and receiving the list mail. I > have > received none since last Thursday with the exception that for some > reason the ones > posted from John Culp come thru. Isn't that strange??? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Aug 3 04:31:23 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:31:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] good day !! OT References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk><2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net><410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <015801c4794d$69385a40$0109a4cb@km> G'Day Arnie We can see what you are up to, did not work, with out Dolly you would have zero on the net 8-)), 8-)))))))) > Hi Dolly, > > On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Jim French wrote: > > > However, Jim did get some pics when he was there with Arnie, so I'll try to > > get those up on a webpage of their own, without waiting for Arnie to finish > > his report of the trip (s). And also, it makes an excuse to go over there > > again to get some pictures! > > Dolly > > And don't forget the pics I took when I was there with Jim. They are all > still on YOUR laptop. > > And as far as trip reports go, you seem to have forgotten the work > completed under your "International Beer for Pages" program... 8-)) > And now that you've gotten your hands on a new Firebolt 10001 (turbo), who > knows WHEN those might get released to the net.... > > See ya, Arnie From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 3 05:12:58 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 08:12:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] good day !! References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <410F814A.7050008@imc-group.com> Arnie Fero wrote: >And don't forget the pics I took when I was there with Jim. They are all >still on YOUR laptop. > Arnie, They might as well be on her laptop as they wouldn't do a bit of good on yours seeing as they would never be incorporated into a web page. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. Owed you one for the fine Maytag "advice". P.P.S. The tumbler with bricks was priceless! From oldengineman at hotmail.com Mon Aug 2 10:12:23 2004 From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Pete Stauffer) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 10:12:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] National GADE Show, Marshalltown, IA Message-ID: Hi list: Is anyone else going to the National GADE centennary Show? I'll be heading out tommorrow (or Wednesday) with my 2 hp. GADE "Hawkeye". It will be a little over 1,025 miles each way, so sort of a long trip for me. Hope to see some other list members there. 'Till later, Pete Stauffer Southern West Virginia USA From RGMTRUCK at aol.com Tue Aug 3 05:44:03 2004 From: RGMTRUCK at aol.com (RGMTRUCK at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:44:03 EDT Subject: [SEL] Engine list Friends Message-ID: <159.3b71d2e4.2e40e293@aol.com> Hi all, I am writing to all my friends that I have met thru this great list. I have really enjoyed meeting some in person and just writing to others. I have sold my business and am moving up north soon so I have to unsubscribe from the list and won't be back on untill I get settled up north. It has been a great list to be a part of. If anyone wants to get ahold of me my snail mail address is: Richard Monk 1884 N. Abbe Rd. Fairview, Mi. 48621 My phone number up north is: 989-619-0824. I will be at that number on weekends for a while untill I get completely moved. My number that I have here now is 313-378-5759 It will be on for a while yet. Once I get settled up north and get a computer I will get back with the list. I will miss all the friendly chatter untill then. Enjoy the show season. Rick M From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 3 06:00:31 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 09:00:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BREAKING MAYTAG NEWS References: <003301c478f4$7becb400$0f86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <410F8C6F.8060100@imc-group.com> Rex, If only those administrations had signed onto the Maytag non-Proliferation Agreement years ago, we would not be in this situation today. Guess this also makes Fred a posthumous enemy combatant. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Rex Hinz wrote: > inteligance has revealed it has recieved information that terrorists are >now planning an all out attack on the 2004 Badger Steam and Gas Show in >Baraboo, Wisconsin , Aug 20th-22nd , Experts say they have very reliable >sources stating the Terroists plan on droping Non Running Maytag engines on >unsuspecting engine displays , spilling putrid unburned gasoline and oil >from back in the thirties ,Also watch for Maytags with AXES or PICKS >burried in their crankcases, Inteligance also explains Non Running Maytag >engines add up to about 99.9% of all Maytags produced , However if your at >the show and you pick up some of the dropped engines they can bring a hardy >income on Ebay even with most parts missing , > >End. > > > From marvhed at ecenet.com Tue Aug 3 06:36:03 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:36:03 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [SEL] National GADE Show, Marshalltown, IA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16574.199.62.0.252.1091540163.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> i'll be there with roland morrison from washington state. we'll be by the Gilbert Fox family display. see you friday. marv in minnesota > Hi list: > Is anyone else going to the National GADE centennary Show? I'll be > heading > out tommorrow (or Wednesday) with my 2 hp. GADE "Hawkeye". It will be a > little over 1,025 miles each way, so sort of a long trip for me. Hope to > see some other list members there. 'Till later, > > Pete Stauffer > Southern West Virginia > USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 3 06:27:52 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] good day !! In-Reply-To: <410F814A.7050008@imc-group.com> References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> <410F814A.7050008@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt & Kerry, And well I know it too!! 8-)) And that's why I do EVERYTHING that Dolly tells me too!! See ya, Arnie PS - The tumbler with bricks WORKS too! 8-)) On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Curt Holland wrote: > Arnie Fero wrote: > >And don't forget the pics I took when I was there with Jim. They are all > >still on YOUR laptop. > > > Arnie, > They might as well be on her laptop as they wouldn't do a bit of good on > yours seeing as they would never be incorporated into a web page. > Curt Holland > P.P.S. The tumbler with bricks was priceless! From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Aug 3 07:28:32 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:28:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine list Friends References: <159.3b71d2e4.2e40e293@aol.com> Message-ID: <001e01c47967$839b4540$6783fb40@3rbys01> Congratulations to you! I am replying on list as I have several address for you in my address book and don't know which are current. This one I assume is current. : )) I'm glad that you are finally able to make the "big move". We have certainly been enjoying retirement. It will be good to be close to your folks. Please give them my regards when you next talk to them. We will keep your address and give you a ring or drop in when we are back in the Gaylord area. Our grandson still remembers the train at Fairview. Enjoy the North! Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 7:44 AM Subject: [SEL] Engine list Friends > Hi all, > > I am writing to all my friends that I have met thru this great list. I have > really enjoyed meeting some in person and just writing to others. I have > sold my business and am moving up north soon so I have to unsubscribe from the > list and won't be back on untill I get settled up north. It has been a great > list to be a part of. > > If anyone wants to get ahold of me my snail mail address is: > > Richard Monk > 1884 N. Abbe Rd. > Fairview, Mi. 48621 > > My phone number up north is: 989-619-0824. I will be at that number on > weekends for a while untill I get completely moved. My number that I have here > now is 313-378-5759 It will be on for a while yet. > > Once I get settled up north and get a computer I will get back with the > list. I will miss all the friendly chatter untill then. > > Enjoy the show season. > > Rick M > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Aug 3 07:56:36 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 07:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] National GADE Show, Marshalltown, IA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040803145636.27954.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Pete I am heading out there Friday afternoon (have to work). I will be there on Saturday with the 1 1/2hp C. Stop by if you want... Steve --- Pete Stauffer wrote: Hi list: Is anyone else going to the National GADE centennary Show? I'll be heading out tommorrow (or Wednesday) with my 2 hp. GADE "Hawkeye". It will be a little over 1,025 miles each way, so sort of a long trip for me. Hope to see some other list members there. 'Till later, Pete Stauffer Southern West Virginia USA From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Aug 3 09:05:39 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 16:05:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Engine list Friends Message-ID: Best of luck to you whiile moving Rick. I dread the thought of moving all my 'stuff'. Hope to see you soon! Buckley is only a couple hours drive from Fairview. Will you have time to head over for a day either Aug 20 or 21? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================= >From: RGMTRUCK at aol.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Engine list Friends >Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:44:03 EDT > >Hi all, > >I am writing to all my friends that I have met thru this great list. I >have >really enjoyed meeting some in person and just writing to others. I have >sold my business and am moving up north soon so I have to unsubscribe from >the >list and won't be back on untill I get settled up north. It has been a >great >list to be a part of. > >If anyone wants to get ahold of me my snail mail address is: > >Richard Monk >1884 N. Abbe Rd. >Fairview, Mi. 48621 > >My phone number up north is: 989-619-0824. I will be at that number on >weekends for a while untill I get completely moved. My number that I have >here >now is 313-378-5759 It will be on for a while yet. > >Once I get settled up north and get a computer I will get back with the >list. I will miss all the friendly chatter untill then. > >Enjoy the show season. > >Rick M _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From RGMTRUCK at aol.com Tue Aug 3 09:27:15 2004 From: RGMTRUCK at aol.com (RGMTRUCK at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:27:15 EDT Subject: [SEL] Engine list Friends Message-ID: I have been moving STUFF for a long time. I am getting tired of moving. All my toys are already up north. I am going to try to come to Buckley for the day, maybe I will see you there. Rick Best of luck to you whiile moving Rick. I dread the thought of moving all my 'stuff'. Hope to see you soon! Buckley is only a couple hours drive from Fairview. Will you have time to head over for a day either Aug 20 or 21? From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Aug 3 12:28:51 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 19:28:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Engine list Friends Message-ID: That would be great! Alan Bowen and I set up next to each other there. Only because Alan saves me a spot! He usually grabs the land right next to the wooden towered windmill toward the back corner of the gas engine area. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ====================== >From: RGMTRUCK at aol.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine list Friends >Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:27:15 EDT > > >I have been moving STUFF for a long time. I am getting tired of moving. >All my toys are already up north. I am going to try to come to Buckley >for the >day, maybe I will see you there. > > >Rick > > > >Best of luck to you whiile moving Rick. I dread the thought of moving all >my 'stuff'. Hope to see you soon! Buckley is only a couple hours drive >from > >Fairview. Will you have time to head over for a day either Aug 20 or 21? _________________________________________________________________ Planning a family vacation? Check out the MSN Family Travel guide! http://dollar.msn.com From asouth at strato.net Tue Aug 3 14:30:15 2004 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:30:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Is Larry Billbee (spelling of last name may beincorrect)on SEL or Tractor List? References: <013701c4781c$da145700$d500a8c0@ARTHUR> <002f01c4782a$75be93c0$87e0a841@ibm22761389857> Message-ID: <002801c479a1$11bcd4e0$d500a8c0@ARTHUR> Thanks Bob, AMS Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From kerogas at the-i.net Tue Aug 3 12:52:56 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:52:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag questions References: <410E74DC.9020602@imc-group.com> <001201c478e3$fd5fa670$0f86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <000201c479a6$d43b3ac0$07905841@oemcomputer> Old brake rotors are cheap , easy to find , and make a fine addition to the aggregate in the tumbler mix From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Aug 3 15:31:54 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:31:54 EDT Subject: [SEL] list mail Message-ID: In a message dated 8/3/2004 1:15:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, johnculp at chartertn.net writes: << I'd say that's strange! >> John, Strange indeed it is as you are the only one coming to me on the list mail. Maybe you are well known in the AOL community as not being the SPAM type! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jfaust at mfi.net Tue Aug 3 15:40:10 2004 From: jfaust at mfi.net (Joe Faust) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:40:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] shows in the south Message-ID: <004d01c479aa$d79b58e0$3bcb7d41@jfaust> It seems like all the shows are in the North. Anyone know about shows for Florida folk? Joe Faust Ocala From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Aug 3 15:42:15 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:42:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] list mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5E0D7CB4-E59E-11D8-B5B4-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > Strange indeed it is as you are the only one coming to me on the list > mail. > Maybe you are well known in the AOL community as not being the SPAM > type! Tell that to dol.net. That's Dave Reed's ISP. Whenever I send anything on oldengine.org's list, I get a bounce back that they won't take my mail. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From avanti_64 at juno.com Tue Aug 3 17:00:19 2004 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (Joe Kelley) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:00:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine list Friends Message-ID: <20040803.200022.-1603205.0.avanti_64@juno.com> See you when you get back on Rick... Joe Kelley On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:44:03 EDT RGMTRUCK at aol.com writes: > Hi all, > > I am writing to all my friends that I have met thru this great list. > I have > really enjoyed meeting some in person and just writing to others. I > have > sold my business and am moving up north soon so I have to > unsubscribe from the > list and won't be back on untill I get settled up north. It has > been a great > list to be a part of. > > If anyone wants to get ahold of me my snail mail address is: > > Richard Monk > 1884 N. Abbe Rd. > Fairview, Mi. 48621 > > My phone number up north is: 989-619-0824. I will be at that > number on > weekends for a while untill I get completely moved. My number that > I have here > now is 313-378-5759 It will be on for a while yet. > > Once I get settled up north and get a computer I will get back with > the > list. I will miss all the friendly chatter untill then. > > Enjoy the show season. > > Rick M > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From rexhinz at chorus.net Tue Aug 3 17:35:53 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:35:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] shows in the south References: <004d01c479aa$d79b58e0$3bcb7d41@jfaust> Message-ID: <000601c479bb$02c8dd20$5386a5d8@mycomputer> Joe; try this link , covers lots of shows around the US , Florida has a few listed http://www.tsapa.homestead.com/shows.html Hope its a start Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Faust" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 5:40 PM Subject: [SEL] shows in the south It seems like all the shows are in the North. Anyone know about shows for Florida folk? Joe Faust Ocala _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu Tue Aug 3 18:21:57 2004 From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:21:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] what color? Message-ID: Joe, I don't know what the original color was, or what may be "correct" color match, but I do have a couple of pics of the AlphaDelaval engine on my website. One appears to be "original" and the other appears to be a repaint. To see them go to http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker/shows/huntington/alphadelaval1and1halfhp.jpg and http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker/shows/rushville/alphadelaval1andonehalfhp.jpg Maybe this will be of some assistance/interest to you. Regards, Don Siefker 28 Miles SW of Portland, IN http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Joe Faust Sent: Mon 7/26/2004 6:07 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Cc: Subject: [SEL] what color? I am in the process of restoring an ALPHA Delaval milking machine engine. Who knows what the originga color was? It seems there are traces of olive drab, but I don't want to make a mistake. Joe F _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alanb2 at webtv.net Tue Aug 3 18:57:53 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:57:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine list Friends In-Reply-To: RGMTRUCK@aol.com's message of Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:27:15 EDT Message-ID: <9505-411042A1-6091@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> Hi Rick, I welcome you here in the North. I am just 1/2 a mile South of M-72 about 80 miles west of Fairview. To find Luke & I at Buckley look for a wood framed windmill in the Southeast corner of the show grounds. It should be right between our displays. If you come for a day you might want to stay for the evening too.. Many times I have seen a lot of the spectaters leave about six to seven o'clock. Then a whole new crowd comes in later for the music and dancing. A lot of the time there are three different areas with live music. Then when it gets dark they do a spark show by throwing sawdust into a steam traction engine's firebox while it is belted up to the Prony brake. Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan ~~~~~~Rick Monk wrote~~~~~ I have been moving STUFF for a long time. I am getting tired of moving. All my toys are already up north. I am going to try to come to Buckley for the day, maybe I will see you there. Rick From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Aug 3 19:38:54 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:38:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engine list Friends In-Reply-To: <159.3b71d2e4.2e40e293@aol.com> Message-ID: <200408040239.i742d1st054461@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Enjoy the show season. We'll miss you guys at Portland, but rest assured we'll be making up plenty of stories about you that will become more exagerated as the evening progresses. Good luck in your new position as a man of leisure. Rob From Aermoter at aol.com Tue Aug 3 20:07:23 2004 From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:07:23 EDT Subject: [SEL] Off Topic adoption Message-ID: <97.4b46c06d.2e41aceb@aol.com> I posted this to the old engine list but forgot to send it to the SEL. So, for those of you who already know, just delete. Last year at Portland I had talked with many of you about my wife's and I's adoption of 2 children from Russia. Here is an update for you on the process. We spent 12 days in Russia the last half of June with 6 of those days in Vladivostok which happens to be 12,000 miles and 26 hours of flight time from Kansas. While in Vladivostok we spent those 6 days with 2 little boys, Yuriy 4 and Nikolia 5. This past week we received a phone call telling us to be on a plane for Russia on the 13th of Aug to pick them up and bring them home!! We will do the official adoption on Aug 17th in Vladivostok Court and then have another adoption session at the Am Embassy in Moscow on the 23rd (my birthday is the 22nd so this will make a nice present). We are supposed to be back in the States on the 28th so I guess Portland's out of the question this year but what a wonderful reason to miss it. Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. Aermoter at aol.com From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Aug 3 21:23:28 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 22:23:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Off Topic adoption References: <97.4b46c06d.2e41aceb@aol.com> Message-ID: <001401c479da$cb419200$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Tim, I saw it on the old engine list and didn't reply. Hard to put words to it. I do have short ones in my life and it is heaven and hell combined. Love them, hold them and pray. You and your wife are making the world a better place x 2. God bless you and guide you in your mission. You're a better man than I. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 9:07 PM Subject: [SEL] Off Topic adoption > I posted this to the old engine list but forgot to send it to the SEL. So, > for those of you who already know, just delete. > > Last year at Portland I had talked with many of you about my wife's and I's > adoption of 2 children from Russia. Here is an update for you on the process. > We spent 12 days in Russia the last half of June with 6 of those days in > Vladivostok which happens to be 12,000 miles and 26 hours of flight time from > Kansas. While in Vladivostok we spent those 6 days with 2 little boys, Yuriy 4 > and Nikolia 5. This past week we received a phone call telling us to be on a > plane for Russia on the 13th of Aug to pick them up and bring them home!! We > will do the official adoption on Aug 17th in Vladivostok Court and then have > another adoption session at the Am Embassy in Moscow on the 23rd (my birthday is > the 22nd so this will make a nice present). We are supposed to be back in the > States on the 28th so I guess Portland's out of the question this year but > what a wonderful reason to miss it. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor, Ks. > Aermoter at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From SmithEngines at aol.com Tue Aug 3 22:21:26 2004 From: SmithEngines at aol.com (SmithEngines at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 01:21:26 EDT Subject: [SEL] list mail Message-ID: <1d2.27a6f23a.2e41cc56@aol.com> Dr. John You are the ONLY list mail I've got in 3 full days ! Why ????????? Mike Smith Shreve, Ohio From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 4 05:47:48 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:47:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool Message-ID: <006701c47a21$41793b30$240110ac@VAIO> Can someone give me a location where I can get a good "safe" spyware removal tool? I think I may have an infestation of these critters abiding inside my fragile pc. thanks as she is a lot slower than usual even with DSL. Paul From jhcullom at adelphia.net Wed Aug 4 07:01:24 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:01:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool References: <006701c47a21$41793b30$240110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <011401c47a2b$87c0d300$6401a8c0@john> Paul, Adaware http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/, is a good start. I also use Crap Cleaner as well http://www.softpedia.com/public/cat/14/4/14-4-131.shtml. Spybot Search & Destroy is also good. Hope this helps, John ----- Original Message ----- From: > Can someone give me a location where I can get a good "safe" spyware removal > tool? I think I may have an infestation of these critters abiding inside my > fragile pc. thanks as she is a lot slower than usual even with DSL. From prepair at easynet.co.uk Wed Aug 4 07:22:55 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 15:22:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool In-Reply-To: <006701c47a21$41793b30$240110ac@VAIO> References: <006701c47a21$41793b30$240110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:47:48 -0500, you wrote: >Can someone give me a location where I can get a good "safe" spyware removal >tool? I think I may have an infestation of these critters abiding inside my >fragile pc. thanks as she is a lot slower than usual even with DSL. > >Paul As John says, but Spybot is good, we use that at home and at work. Also look at your memory, you needs at least 256mb of ram these days to make things fly. Peter Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Aug 4 07:29:56 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:29:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Off Topic adoption Message-ID: <20040804.104604.772.4.jlb94@juno.com> CONGRATULATIONS, Tim.!!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From mtucker at uky.edu Wed Aug 4 07:28:18 2004 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:28:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Delco light plant questions Message-ID: Howdy all, I've got a couple of Delco light plant questions from my father-in-law, Roger, that I'm hoping someone can help me out with. Here's the scoop as he knows it as related to him by his brother. The unit is a Delco light plant directly connected to its 32 volt generator. It has 2 flywheels only a couple of inches apart that are about 14 inches in diameter. The valve arrangement is exposed and appears to work in a vertical type of arrangement. He can pull the flywheels through and seems to think that it has compression. When you pull it through the valves don't move so there seems to be a problem there. He didn't mention anything about a serial number. Nothing special, either good or bad, about its condition so I assume that means that it's not a rusted hulk. He estimates the weight at around 300#. First, what is a range of dates for when this critter could have been made? Second, knowing only this information, is it worth $100 (transportation costs do not apply)? Thanks for the help, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From rholtzer at earthlink.net Wed Aug 4 08:08:07 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 08:08:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool In-Reply-To: <006701c47a21$41793b30$240110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040804080657.00b83998@mail.earthlink.net> Spybot works well for me. I don't have their address but a Web search should provide it. It is free but donations are suggested. Bob Holtzer At 07:47 AM 8/4/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Can someone give me a location where I can get a good "safe" spyware removal >tool? I think I may have an infestation of these critters abiding inside my >fragile pc. thanks as she is a lot slower than usual even with DSL. > >Paul > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From stevebarr at ameritech.net Wed Aug 4 09:39:29 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Storms last night In-Reply-To: <200408041557.i74Fv4To051899@whale2.fsr.net> Message-ID: <20040804163929.38963.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> A nice bow echo line of storms rolled thru last night. There was a lot of lightning and one bolt struck a tree in my neighbor's yard (~10 from where my dad has his '53 Super H parked).... Blew the top of the tree out and part of it made a direct hit on the Super H. Looks like a bent steering rod and throttle rod from a distance, but will have to wait until it is safe to do the inspection. As of this morning, the power to our neighbor's house is still on, but the power line is under the branch and but we are not going near the tractor until the power lines are taken care of. Will know more later today (hopefully) after the ComEd comes. 10 Pics at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/storm2004/01.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/storm2004/02.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/storm2004/03.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/storm2004/04.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/storm2004/05.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/storm2004/06.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/storm2004/07.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/storm2004/08.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/storm2004/09.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/storm2004/10.jpg Some are fuzzy as I was in a hurry this morning to get several shots and off into rush hour traffic... No engines were damaged as they are on the trailer and in the garage. Steve From curt at imc-group.com Wed Aug 4 11:19:30 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:19:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Storms last night References: <20040804163929.38963.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <411128B2.5030801@imc-group.com> Steve Barr wrote: >Blew the top of the tree out and >part of it made a direct hit on the Super H. > Damn, where is a Maytag to break the fall when you really need it! Curt Holland P.S. Why do we humans put valuable machinery under trees to "protect" it? We all do it and this is the very place it usually gets destroyed! I'll have to tell you about an MG under a Hickory tree when hurricane Hugo came thru..... From curt at imc-group.com Wed Aug 4 14:57:28 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 17:57:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Boone show pictures are up. Message-ID: <41115BC8.80901@imc-group.com> I put up some of my show favorites from the Boone show this past weekend. Hope you enjoy them. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Boone2004/Thumbnails.html From jfaust at mfi.net Wed Aug 4 16:40:17 2004 From: jfaust at mfi.net (Joe Faust) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:40:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] shows in the south References: <004d01c479aa$d79b58e0$3bcb7d41@jfaust> <000601c479bb$02c8dd20$5386a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <001a01c47a7c$666d77c0$7acb7d41@jfaust> Thank You ----- Original Message ----- From: Rex Hinz To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] shows in the south > Joe; > > try this link , covers lots of shows around the US , Florida has a few > listed > > http://www.tsapa.homestead.com/shows.html > > Hope its a start > > Rex Hinz > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Faust" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 5:40 PM > Subject: [SEL] shows in the south > > > It seems like all the shows are in the North. Anyone know about shows for > Florida folk? > > > Joe Faust > Ocala > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Wed Aug 4 17:08:16 2004 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:08:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool Message-ID: Paul, I find Spybot to be very good and it's free!! Lyndsay >From: >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine List" >Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool >Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:47:48 -0500 > >Can someone give me a location where I can get a good "safe" spyware >removal >tool? I think I may have an infestation of these critters abiding inside my >fragile pc. thanks as she is a lot slower than usual even with DSL. > >Paul > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Searching for that dream home? Try http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au for all your property needs. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 4 17:11:10 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:11:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Boone show pictures are up. References: <41115BC8.80901@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003c01c47a80$b82bb050$240110ac@VAIO> Great pictures Curt, I enjoyed looking at them. Thanks for posting them. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "SEL(new)" Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 4:57 PM Subject: [SEL] Boone show pictures are up. > I put up some of my show favorites from the Boone show this past > weekend. Hope you enjoy them. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Boone2004/Thumbnails.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Aug 4 17:29:05 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:29:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Dinner/Auction References: <159.3b71d2e4.2e40e293@aol.com> Message-ID: <067801c47a83$377f71a0$0400a8c0@Dave> Hi All, Only about 60 people have contacted me to say that they will be at the Portland dinner and auction on Thursday August 26th at 6:00 pm in Ducatur (23 miles north of Portland.) I need to give Ellen a "final estimate" before too long. If you plan to attend, but have not let me know thus far, please do so by contacting me at: rotigel at alltel.net Thanks, and sure hope to see you at Portland! Dave PS, Think about what you might want to bring to donate to the ATIS Charity Auction! From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Aug 4 17:32:36 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:32:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool References: Message-ID: <068901c47a83$b7e8ac80$0400a8c0@Dave> Is there any possibility that someone on the List can recommend a good computer list group so that this kind of post will not be necessary? > Paul, > I find Spybot to be very good and it's free!! > > > > Lyndsay > > > > > > >From: > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "Stationary Engine List" > >Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool > >Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:47:48 -0500 > > > >Can someone give me a location where I can get a good "safe" spyware > >removal > >tool? I think I may have an infestation of these critters abiding inside my > >fragile pc. thanks as she is a lot slower than usual even with DSL. > > > >Paul > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Searching for that dream home? Try http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au for > all your property needs. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Aug 4 17:39:37 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:39:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Boone show pictures are up. In-Reply-To: <41115BC8.80901@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200408050039.i750dkst081746@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Great pictures of some nice engines Curt. The engine with a mixer like an Olds is a Type1 Massey-Harris. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- I put up some of my show favorites from the Boone show this past weekend. Hope you enjoy them. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Boone2004/Thumbnails.html From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Aug 4 19:20:22 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:20:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Boone show pictures are up. References: <41115BC8.80901@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001a01c47a92$c3858d60$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Curt, Great pictures. Looks like a lot of nice engines there. I spent my time a little further north and took a few also. They are at: http://oldengine.org/members/allen/BirdCity/BirdCity.html Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "SEL(new)" Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 3:57 PM Subject: [SEL] Boone show pictures are up. > I put up some of my show favorites from the Boone show this past > weekend. Hope you enjoy them. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Boone2004/Thumbnails.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Aug 4 19:37:52 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:37:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool References: <068901c47a83$b7e8ac80$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <000701c47a95$3501e950$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> This site has a lot of information and several forums. http://www.dslreports.com/forums/all ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool > Is there any possibility that someone on the List can recommend a good > computer list group so that this kind of post will not be necessary? > > > Paul, > > I find Spybot to be very good and it's free!! > > > > > > > > Lyndsay > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: > > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > > >To: "Stationary Engine List" > > >Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool > > >Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:47:48 -0500 > > > > > >Can someone give me a location where I can get a good "safe" spyware > > >removal > > >tool? I think I may have an infestation of these critters abiding inside > my > > >fragile pc. thanks as she is a lot slower than usual even with DSL. > > > > > >Paul > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Searching for that dream home? Try http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au for > > all your property needs. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rwenig at cable-lynx.net Wed Aug 4 19:20:03 2004 From: rwenig at cable-lynx.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 20:20:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool References: <068901c47a83$b7e8ac80$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <41119953.758B74DF@cable-lynx.net> Hello DAve, My $0.02 on the subject. Spy programs don't necessarily come from list programs although a few might get through. Most spy ware is imbedded in questionable web pages we view (some not so questionable), and with bought and paid for programs. Even some spy ware has imbedded spy ware of it's own. IMHO, the only way to reduce the amount of spy ware on a computer is to run a spy ware program frequently specially after installing any program. I don't think you can eliminate spy ware entirely. For instance, the free Adware program will snag Netspy which comes with another boughten program. Then, Spyhunter (also free) will snag adware as spy ware. I haven't tried Spybot but have tried a few others with the same results. Again, that is my opinion. Other opinions may vary. What I would like to see is a positive way to eliminate spam and unsolicited messages. Rupert Dave Rotigel wrote: > > Is there any possibility that someone on the List can recommend a good > computer list group so that this kind of post will not be necessary? > > > Paul, > > I find Spybot to be very good and it's free!! > > > > > > > > Lyndsay > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: > > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > > >To: "Stationary Engine List" > > >Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool > > >Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:47:48 -0500 > > > > > >Can someone give me a location where I can get a good "safe" spyware > > >removal > > >tool? I think I may have an infestation of these critters abiding inside > my > > >fragile pc. thanks as she is a lot slower than usual even with DSL. > > > > > >Paul > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Searching for that dream home? Try http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au for > > all your property needs. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. mailto://rwenig at cable-lynx.net http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/index.html From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Aug 5 02:05:31 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 05:05:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool References: <068901c47a83$b7e8ac80$0400a8c0@Dave> <000701c47a95$3501e950$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <07b101c47acb$5c9a43a0$0400a8c0@Dave> Thanks Jeff, That should help those who are having 'puter trouble! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool > This site has a lot of information and several forums. > http://www.dslreports.com/forums/all > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 6:32 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool > > > > Is there any possibility that someone on the List can recommend a good > > computer list group so that this kind of post will not be necessary? > > > > > Paul, > > > I find Spybot to be very good and it's free!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Lyndsay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: > > > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > > > > >To: "Stationary Engine List" > > > >Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool > > > >Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:47:48 -0500 > > > > > > > >Can someone give me a location where I can get a good "safe" spyware > > > >removal > > > >tool? I think I may have an infestation of these critters abiding > inside > > my > > > >fragile pc. thanks as she is a lot slower than usual even with DSL. > > > > > > > >Paul > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >SEL mailing list > > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Searching for that dream home? Try http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au > for > > > all your property needs. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Aug 5 04:40:57 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 07:40:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Boone show pictures are up. References: <200408050039.i750dkst081746@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <41121CC9.4040903@imc-group.com> Patrick, Thanks for the info. Will correct this on the web page. Was the mixer on the MH the same mixer as the Old's? The opening of the mixer is sure a dead ringer for the Old's.... Curt Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >Great pictures of some nice engines Curt. >The engine with a mixer like an Olds is a Type1 Massey-Harris. > > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Aug 5 09:51:15 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 12:51:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How to sign up to the SEL? Message-ID: <41126583.5040009@imc-group.com> Guys, What is the latest link/page to sign up to the SEL? The link at the bottom of posts? Some fellows I've recommended the atis.net route are telling me this is not working, or at least they never got the mail back message. There have been a lot of changes to the SEL in the last months and I think I recall a new signup page/proceedure. Thanks for your help. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From stevebarr at ameritech.net Thu Aug 5 11:09:40 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] How to sign up to the SEL? In-Reply-To: <41126583.5040009@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20040805180940.43801.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> Curt It is part of the signature now... http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --- Curt Holland wrote: Guys, What is the latest link/page to sign up to the SEL? The link at the bottom of posts? Some fellows I've recommended the atis.net route are telling me this is not working, or at least they never got the mail back message. There have been a lot of changes to the SEL in the last months and I think I recall a new signup page/proceedure. Thanks for your help. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Thu Aug 5 11:27:09 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:27:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How to sign up to the SEL? References: <41126583.5040009@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001701c47b19$d254fb00$3b1117d1@net.telenet.net> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Fill out the form then look for the reply mail. click on the link in that email and your on the list. The only problem is that the reply email sometimes gets tossed out as spam by some ISPs so you need to check the spam,trash and blocked folders to see if it went there instead. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "SEL(new)" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 12:51 PM Subject: [SEL] How to sign up to the SEL? > Guys, > What is the latest link/page to sign up to the SEL? The link at the > bottom of posts? > Some fellows I've recommended the atis.net route are telling me this is > not working, or at least they never got the mail back message. > There have been a lot of changes to the SEL in the last months and I > think I recall a new signup page/proceedure. > Thanks for your help. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Thu Aug 5 11:46:01 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 20:46:01 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Boone show pictures are up. References: <41115BC8.80901@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004701c47b1c$78373040$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Great pictures Curt! I think my favorite is the Otto ;-) Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "SEL(new)" Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 11:57 PM Subject: [SEL] Boone show pictures are up. > I put up some of my show favorites from the Boone show this past > weekend. Hope you enjoy them. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Boone2004/Thumbnails.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Aug 5 16:35:14 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:35:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] How to sign up to the SEL? In-Reply-To: <41126583.5040009@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200408052335.i75NZKIo084090@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Guys, > What is the latest link/page to sign up to the SEL? Hi Curt, Believe it or not, you ARE subscribed to the Stationary Engine List. It's easy to see how you became confused. Although the name SAYS engines, we only discuss computers, spyware, and junky cars. If you want to talk about engines, you might want to try www.canasta.com or www.groceries-express.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 5 17:02:58 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:02:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? Message-ID: <015201c47b48$bd7a7f00$240110ac@VAIO> I have never pulled a trailer to Portland but this year I am bringing a small single axle 5' X 10' utility trailer. Is there somewhere at the Portland Show grounds where you can park your trailer so you don't have to drag it around all the time you are there? If so is it reasonably safe to park it and leave it? Paul From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Aug 5 19:12:00 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:12:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? In-Reply-To: <015201c47b48$bd7a7f00$240110ac@VAIO> References: <015201c47b48$bd7a7f00$240110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <006BDD20-E74E-11D8-A4C8-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Yep. On Aug 5, 2004, at 8:02 PM, wrote: > I have never pulled a trailer to Portland but this year I am bringing a > small single axle 5' X 10' utility trailer. Is there somewhere at the > Portland Show grounds where you can park your trailer so you don't > have to > drag it around all the time you are there? If so is it reasonably safe > to > park it and leave it? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Thu Aug 5 19:38:13 2004 From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 22:38:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? In-Reply-To: <015201c47b48$bd7a7f00$240110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040805223522.00b14a58@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> At 07:02 PM 8/5/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I have never pulled a trailer to Portland but this year I am bringing a >small single axle 5' X 10' utility trailer. Is there somewhere at the >Portland Show grounds where you can park your trailer so you don't have to >drag it around all the time you are there? If so is it reasonably safe to >park it and leave it? > >Paul Paul: The trailer parking area is North of the vendor area. I have parked my equipment trailer there many years with no problems. I even left a chain and binder on it two years ago - still there a week later. (-; See you in a couple of weeks!! - Steve Steve Sewell Albany, Ohio USA sewell at atis.net sewell at ohio.edu From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 5 20:21:24 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:21:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040805223522.00b14a58@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: <05ff01c47b64$76516b90$240110ac@VAIO> Steve would that be over behind the last vendor row all the way at the back of the regular parking lot, I am not sure how the Portland grounds lay out, which is what direction. It seems to me that when I drove my truck into the parking lot area last year I could see some trailers parked at the far back end of the parking lot, I guess this would be North. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve sewell" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? > At 07:02 PM 8/5/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >I have never pulled a trailer to Portland but this year I am bringing a > >small single axle 5' X 10' utility trailer. Is there somewhere at the > > > Paul: The trailer parking area is North of the vendor area. I have parked > my equipment trailer there many years with no problems. I even left a chain > and binder on it two years ago - still there a week later. (-; > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 5 20:31:23 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:31:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Royster Boys Message-ID: <063801c47b65$db8f4710$240110ac@VAIO> Anyone heard from either of the Royster Boys lately? From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Aug 5 20:59:01 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 23:59:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <41130205.2030107@scrtc.com> I have periodically put some info on the SEL about my Miami project. Some background for our newer SEL members: I always wanted a Miami engine. They are quite unique with the Sideshaft located on top of the crankshaft rather than below. I could never find one however. Finally I found one that had been cannibalized. The end of the cylinder had been cut off, a wedge welded on the end of the piston, and all the small parts were gone. All that was there was the base, flywheels, and crankshaft, and 1/2 of a cylinder. The piston and rod were there with the attached wedge. What was sad was that what was there was in terrific shape. No wear, no pits, no rust, probably 85% of the original paint, etc. I bought the parts from Jerry Toews and he had a complete engine exactly like it. He was extremely generous and offered to loan me the complete engine to copy what I needed. What a great offer from a great guy. I'll forever be indebted to him. I will complete info on the this project in several segments on the SEL and will label them 1, 2, 3, etc. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Aug 5 21:03:27 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 00:03:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron #1 In-Reply-To: <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <4113030F.5010108@scrtc.com> The first major undertaking was to have a cylinder pattern made. Here are some links to photos of the cylinder pattern. These are on an Epson site. You may have to turn off filters to view them: Here is the exhaust side of the cylinder pattern: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=60426047 This is part of the core boxes for the water jacket: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=60426043 More to come..... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Aug 5 21:06:32 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 00:06:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron #2 In-Reply-To: <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <411303C8.4030503@scrtc.com> Next was the construction of the head pattern. Here is the head pattern and cores: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=60190130 Here is the head pattern, casting, and original head from Jerry's engine: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=60190174 More to come.... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Thu Aug 5 21:07:16 2004 From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 00:07:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? In-Reply-To: <05ff01c47b64$76516b90$240110ac@VAIO> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040805223522.00b14a58@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040806000512.00b4c660@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> At 10:21 PM 8/5/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Steve would that be over behind the last vendor row all the way at the back >of the regular parking lot, I am not sure how the Portland grounds lay out, >which is what direction. It seems to me that when I drove my truck into the >parking lot area last year I could see some trailers parked at the far back >end of the parking lot, I guess this would be North. > >Paul Yep, that's it. - Steve Steve Sewell Albany, Ohio USA sewell at atis.net sewell at ohio.edu From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Aug 5 21:10:35 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 00:10:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron #3 In-Reply-To: <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <411304BB.6090103@scrtc.com> Next was the small parts. And there was a bunch of 'em! Here are the original parts laying beside new castings/machinings: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=60190128 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Aug 5 21:14:53 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 00:14:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron #4 In-Reply-To: <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <411305BD.9040202@scrtc.com> Pattern work, castings, etc. turned out to be one of the easier parts to the project. Next came the machining. A LOT of work. Here are the cylinder flanges being machined on the rough cylinder casting. This had to be done first to give a true plane to base all the other machining on the cylinder: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=61738302 Here is the head being machined: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=61738305 More to come..... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Aug 5 21:31:11 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 00:31:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron #5 In-Reply-To: <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <4113098F.5040906@scrtc.com> Now its time to put it all together. As I mentioned, what was left of the engine had a great deal of original paint. I didn't have time to do a paint job on it so just to keep it from rusting (as new castings do) I bought a couple of cans of satin black spray paint. The original color on the engine was black. I did this just to keep the rust away. It turned out well enough that I may just leave it as it is. The photo is poor as the lighting is bad. Here is a photo of the complete engine assembled: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083036 Here's a shot of the working end of the sideshaft. You can see the governor, fuel injector, intake, etc: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083039 Here's another shot. You can see the big exhaust valve box at the bottom. Boy, was this a job to machine everything where it would line up and fit. Mostly luck that it fit: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083040 The big exhaust valve box. Pretty unique how it works: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083041 A rear view of the engine. The paint on the flywheels and base is original. I never cleaned the surface rust off the crank throw but 30 minutes with some scotchbrite will take care of that: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083042 This is a repo tag I had made from the original: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083043 A side view of the engine: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083044 It was an enjoyable project but I don't know that I will ever tackle something this massive again. I want to again that Jerry Toews for his generosity. I will be bringing his original engine to Portland to deliver. Hope I haven't been too long winded. I had someone ask me a few weeks ago how the project was going and I told them I would post photos and info when I got a chance. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Fri Aug 6 01:30:28 2004 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Michael Christie) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:30:28 +1000 Subject: [S] [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net><410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> <41130205.2030107@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <003001c47b8f$a2f37320$74a557ca@andrewiowlw0rj> G'day Tommy Fantastic work on the miami! A very interesting engine. I liked the photos of all the patterns you made especially of the cylinder head as i have to make a head for one of my engines as well; http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=showMyPhoto&alb umID=143394803&photoID=171774346&security=NEZhtg It has given me a basic idea of what i have to do and it doesnt look that difficult either to make the patterns. This should inspire me to do something about it soon!! Cheers Mick Mick Christie Victoria, Australia Mickc at vic.australis.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 1:59 PM Subject: [S] [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron > I have periodically put some info on the SEL about my Miami project. > Some background for our newer SEL members: I always wanted a Miami > engine. They are quite unique with the Sideshaft located on top of the > crankshaft rather than below. I could never find one however. Finally > I found one that had been cannibalized. The end of the cylinder had > been cut off, a wedge welded on the end of the piston, and all the small > parts were gone. All that was there was the base, flywheels, and > crankshaft, and 1/2 of a cylinder. The piston and rod were there with > the attached wedge. What was sad was that what was there was in > terrific shape. No wear, no pits, no rust, probably 85% of the original > paint, etc. I bought the parts from Jerry Toews and he had a complete > engine exactly like it. He was extremely generous and offered to loan > me the complete engine to copy what I needed. What a great offer from a > great guy. I'll forever be indebted to him. I will complete info on > the this project in several segments on the SEL and will label them 1, > 2, 3, etc. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Aug 5 23:18:58 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 16:18:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] How to sign up to the SEL? References: <200408052335.i75NZKIo084090@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <00d701c47b91$63b99e80$ca111bd3@athlon> Hey Rob, I really thought that came from Helen!!! VBG (Now running for cover!) Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > Hi Curt, > Believe it or not, you ARE subscribed to the Stationary > Engine List. It's easy to see how you became confused. > Although the name SAYS engines, we only discuss computers, > spyware, and junky cars. If you want to talk about > engines, you might want to try www.canasta.com or > www.groceries-express.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Aug 5 23:30:26 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 16:30:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040805223522.00b14a58@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: <00da01c47b92$1b51bdc0$ca111bd3@athlon> Aw Gee! Will ya leave off talkin about Portland. I CANT SLEEP AT NIGHT!!!!!!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > Paul: The trailer parking area is North of the vendor area. I have parked > my equipment trailer there many years with no problems. I even left a chain > and binder on it two years ago - still there a week later. (-; > See you in a couple of weeks!! > - Steve From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Fri Aug 6 01:43:25 2004 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Michael Christie) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:43:25 +1000 Subject: [S] [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net><410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> <41130205.2030107@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <006301c47b91$723707e0$74a557ca@andrewiowlw0rj> The link in the email buggered up so this one should work. Cheers Mick http://community.webshots.com/photo/143394803/171774346NEZhtg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 1:59 PM Subject: [S] [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron > I have periodically put some info on the SEL about my Miami project. > Some background for our newer SEL members: I always wanted a Miami > engine. They are quite unique with the Sideshaft located on top of the > crankshaft rather than below. I could never find one however. Finally > I found one that had been cannibalized. The end of the cylinder had > been cut off, a wedge welded on the end of the piston, and all the small > parts were gone. All that was there was the base, flywheels, and > crankshaft, and 1/2 of a cylinder. The piston and rod were there with > the attached wedge. What was sad was that what was there was in > terrific shape. No wear, no pits, no rust, probably 85% of the original > paint, etc. I bought the parts from Jerry Toews and he had a complete > engine exactly like it. He was extremely generous and offered to loan > me the complete engine to copy what I needed. What a great offer from a > great guy. I'll forever be indebted to him. I will complete info on > the this project in several segments on the SEL and will label them 1, > 2, 3, etc. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sel at antique-engine.com Fri Aug 6 02:37:01 2004 From: sel at antique-engine.com (Craig Prucha) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 02:37:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <41130205.2030107@scrtc.com> References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> <41130205.2030107@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <1091785021.4113513d68fda@login.kupio.lunarpages.com> Hi Tommy, WOW! Man what a great project and fine restoration you have done! Thanks for posting the restoration story on the SEL and sharing the photos. I must have spent an hour looking through your Miami photo album. All the work you accomplished show a great love for the hobby and should prove to all it's not about the cost. Loved seeing the photos of the machine work taking place. AWESOME! Well thanks again for the update and all the photos. See ya, Craig... PS Will you be bringing the Miami to Coolspring in the future? Quoting Tommy Turner : > I have periodically put some info on the SEL about my Miami project. > Some background for our newer SEL members: I always wanted a Miami > engine. They are quite unique with the Sideshaft located on top of the > crankshaft rather than below. I could never find one however. Finally > I found one that had been cannibalized. The end of the cylinder had > been cut off, a wedge welded on the end of the piston, and all the small > parts were gone. All that was there was the base, flywheels, and > crankshaft, and 1/2 of a cylinder. The piston and rod were there with > the attached wedge. What was sad was that what was there was in > terrific shape. No wear, no pits, no rust, probably 85% of the original > paint, etc. I bought the parts from Jerry Toews and he had a complete > engine exactly like it. He was extremely generous and offered to loan > me the complete engine to copy what I needed. What a great offer from a > great guy. I'll forever be indebted to him. I will complete info on > the this project in several segments on the SEL and will label them 1, > 2, 3, etc. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Aug 6 03:55:22 2004 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 06:55:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The Royster Boys References: <063801c47b65$db8f4710$240110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <003001c47ba3$df39a840$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> Hi Paul: My evil big brother has been off galavanting across the big pond. He and Carol Ann went to England and had a big ole time, and the French's entertained them in high style. I am suprised we haven't read about his travels much like Arnie's travels. Rumor has it he almost got booted off the plane for "suspicious packages". Seems the metal detectors went off in high gear when Steve's luggage went through. All the suits gathered around and started asking questions, Steve got pulled out of line and had to take his shoes off. Big Mistake! Any of yall ever notice he don't never go barefoot? Well he popped those brogans off and all that built up aroma set loose. First off, he ruined two drug sniffing dogs. Next, the food courts got shut down cause folks thought the egg salad went bad. Then the smoke alarms went off which set off the sprinkler systems. Not a bunch of happy people with badges. What was in the bag that started all this mess? Turns out ole Stevie had packed a bunch of them little cans of "Vienie sausages" and the FBI wannabes thought they might be hazardous. Not near as hazardous as them stinky feet!!! Well everybody had a good laugh, Steve got to go to England, plus he now has a special airport pass says he is a "VIP" and don't never have to take his shoes off again. Ain't he special? To top it off he ain't been home a week and gets a letter from the CIA about how his country needs him and all that. Turns out, they want to take him over there where the fighting is, pop off his brogans and "diffuse" the situation. He sure is a lucky feller, gettin to travel on the government dole. And Paul, as for me; well I was left behind here in the States to look after our aging parents and run the family business of making odor eater foot products. I enjoy their company and consider it an honor. I was just Crisco proud Steve got to go over yonder. Well, gotta go now. I preciate the note of concern and hope you and the SEL are all well. Hope to see youins in Portland if we all survive the trip in Steve's truck assuming he keeps his shoes on. My best to you and yours, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 11:31 PM Subject: [SEL] The Royster Boys > Anyone heard from either of the Royster Boys lately? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 6 04:23:26 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 07:23:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <1091785021.4113513d68fda@login.kupio.lunarpages.com> References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> <41130205.2030107@scrtc.com> <1091785021.4113513d68fda@login.kupio.lunarpages.com> Message-ID: <41136A2E.7070806@scrtc.com> Will do Craig. They are an interesting engine to watch run. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >PS Will you be bringing the Miami to Coolspring in the future? > > > > > From old_iron at msn.com Fri Aug 6 06:16:19 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 08:16:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Off Topic adoption Message-ID: CONGRATULATIONS!! So glad to hear this is finally coming through for you, as you know Bill's Bday is the 23rd so this will be a nice "present" for him too since he was adopted from St. Vincent's orphanage here in Chicago 59 years ago! Again CONGRATULATIONS on becoming parents. XOXOXO Peg Pfeiffer >From: Aermoter at aol.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Off Topic adoption Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:07:23 EDT > >I posted this to the old engine list but forgot to send it to the SEL. So, >for those of you who already know, just delete. > >Last year at Portland I had talked with many of you about my wife's and I's >adoption of 2 children from Russia. Here is an update for you on the >process. >We spent 12 days in Russia the last half of June with 6 of those days in >Vladivostok which happens to be 12,000 miles and 26 hours of flight time >from >Kansas. While in Vladivostok we spent those 6 days with 2 little boys, >Yuriy 4 >and Nikolia 5. This past week we received a phone call telling us to be on >a >plane for Russia on the 13th of Aug to pick them up and bring them home!! >We >will do the official adoption on Aug 17th in Vladivostok Court and then >have >another adoption session at the Am Embassy in Moscow on the 23rd (my >birthday is >the 22nd so this will make a nice present). We are supposed to be back in >the >States on the 28th so I guess Portland's out of the question this year but >what a wonderful reason to miss it. > >Tim Christoff >Basehor, Ks. >Aermoter at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From old_iron at msn.com Fri Aug 6 06:20:23 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 08:20:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT 2 holer for sale Message-ID: We have a 2 hole International Corn Sheller for sale it has been restored by Bill and he said the only thing that still needs a little attention is the "cob stacker chain". If you want further information please contact me off list, starting price is $350 OBO need space and $$$. Thanks, Peg Pfeiffer >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Aug 6 07:26:33 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 07:26:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron #5 In-Reply-To: <4113098F.5040906@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <200408061426.i76EQdIo001741@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Hope I haven't been too long winded. I had someone ask me a > few weeks ago how the project was going and I told them I > would post photos and info when I got a chance. Wow Tommy! That's quite a chunk you bit off, but the results are stunning. Thanks for sharing your project. Rob From old_iron at msn.com Fri Aug 6 07:45:28 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 09:45:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show Message-ID: We will be arriving late Thursday and staying at the Dell's KOA. Peg Pfeiffer >From: cgandree at mchsi.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL list) >Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:53:46 +0000 > >Who all will be attending Baraboo show? Trying to get a a head count so >Joe >Prindle and I can figure out how much turf we need to ropeoff. >I also have one room left available at a local motel still available before >I >have to cancel the reserveration. >Let me know, >Curt Andree >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From SmithEngines at aol.com Fri Aug 6 08:30:56 2004 From: SmithEngines at aol.com (SmithEngines at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:30:56 EDT Subject: [SEL] Miami Message-ID: Tommy How far under the $40,000 to $50,000 price of a orig. Miami did you stay? ALL that work had push the real price hard didn't it ? Mike From cgandree at mchsi.com Fri Aug 6 08:40:27 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 15:40:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show Message-ID: <080620041540.26214.13d4@mchsi.com> Hi Peg, Thanks for the reply see you at Baraboo. Extra motel room just got filled by another good engine family. Curt Andree > We will be arriving late Thursday and staying at the Dell's KOA. > > Peg Pfeiffer > > > >From: cgandree at mchsi.com > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL list) > >Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show > >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:53:46 +0000 > > > >Who all will be attending Baraboo show? Trying to get a a head count so > >Joe > >Prindle and I can figure out how much turf we need to ropeoff. > >I also have one room left available at a local motel still available before > >I > >have to cancel the reserveration. > >Let me know, > >Curt Andree > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Fri Aug 6 09:21:21 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:21:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? Message-ID: <001001c47bd1$69fa2900$4d680b42@gnarmstrong> Portland will miss you this year as well Reg. I'm confident your absence will be spoken of during the show. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Reg & Margaret Ingold To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Friday, August 06, 2004 3:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? >Aw Gee! Will ya leave off talkin about Portland. > I CANT SLEEP AT NIGHT!!!!!!!! >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >> Paul: The trailer parking area is North of the vendor area. I have parked >> my equipment trailer there many years with no problems. I even left a >chain >> and binder on it two years ago - still there a week later. (-; >> See you in a couple of weeks!! >> - Steve > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 6 10:57:49 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:57:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4113C69D.6070701@scrtc.com> Mike, I got more in it than I intended. However, I couldn't find one to buy at any price (not that I could afford it). Just not many of these babes out there floating around. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY SmithEngines at aol.com wrote: > Tommy > > How far under the $40,000 to $50,000 price of a orig. Miami > did you stay? ALL that work had push the real price hard didn't > it ? Mike > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Aug 6 11:06:54 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 18:06:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] New Show Pictures Are Up Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I put up some pictures of a show I had the Rumely at a few weeks ago on July 16 & 17. You can see the pictures here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale04/allendale04.html Also I believe there was a list outage when I posted this address of another show I took some pictures at on July 9th. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton04/charlton04.html Hope you enjoy looking at the pictures! Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From curt at imc-group.com Fri Aug 6 13:20:37 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 16:20:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Show Pictures Are Up/Bethware Fair References: Message-ID: <4113E815.9010200@imc-group.com> Luke, Enjoyed the pictures. About 1/2 way down are a couple of pictures to wet your Rumley fever. http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/Bethware2004/Thumbnails.html Didn't he do a great job with the replacement rubber cleats and bands? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I put up some pictures of a show I had the Rumely at a few weeks ago > on July 16 & 17. You can see the pictures here: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale04/allendale04.html > > Also I believe there was a list outage when I posted this address of > another show I took some pictures at on July 9th. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton04/charlton04.html > From rexhinz at chorus.net Fri Aug 6 15:10:33 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:10:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pin Hole In The Hopper Message-ID: <003901c47c02$366f9e40$5486a5d8@mycomputer> Need some Pro advice , My 1-1/2 Simplicity has a pin hole in the cyl. and I get a small tail of bubbles in the water hopper under compression , as far as I can see no water is getting into the cylinder while running or at rest , the engine runs great but am I going to harm the engine by running it or does it need a fix ? I hope this is not a dumb question that is messing up another perfectly clean chaukboard , will JB weld fix it ? thanks Rex Hinz From brock at netspeed.com.au Fri Aug 6 15:51:34 2004 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 08:51:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Pin Hole In The Hopper References: <003901c47c02$366f9e40$5486a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <000701c47c07$edc91490$94c7fea9@merlin> G,day Rex i,ve got a Novo Jr that had a 1/2 hole in in top of head i silver solded a small plug but it kept leaking it was leaking that much that i would not run what end up useing was a locktite product metal putty that comes in a tube then rub it together i sand blasted the area the used a digrinder to open the holes up pushed the stuff in after a about 2 hours i started the engine does not leak no dramas i get the right name for you Brock. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 8:10 AM Subject: [SEL] Pin Hole In The Hopper > Need some Pro advice , My 1-1/2 Simplicity has a pin hole in the cyl. and > I get a small tail of bubbles in the water hopper under compression , as far > as I can see no water is getting into the cylinder while running or at rest > , the engine runs great but am I going to harm the engine by running it or > does it need a fix ? I hope this is not a dumb question that is messing up > another perfectly clean chaukboard , will JB weld fix it ? thanks > > Rex Hinz > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From kerogas at the-i.net Fri Aug 6 16:13:04 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:13:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pin Hole In The Hopper References: <003901c47c02$366f9e40$5486a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <002001c47c0a$ee05ef20$07905841@oemcomputer> man , that turned into a thesis , sorry , just waiting for my ride ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Need some Pro advice , My 1-1/2 Simplicity has a pin hole in the cyl. and > I get a small tail of bubbles in the water hopper under compression , as far > as I can see no water is getting into the cylinder while running or at rest > , the engine runs great but am I going to harm the engine by running it or > does it need a fix ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> water in the cyl will eventually stick the rings so you'll probly dump the water and run her dry before you set her up . thats a pain sorta a few drops of water in the wrong placeon the plug/ignitor inside the conm chamber will make the ignition get weird on ya too . Normally on very hot days with 20 people watching you fail to start it . I had a Nelson like that finally had to braze it . 6 inch frost crack >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope this is not a dumb question that is messing up > another perfectly clean chaukboard , will JB weld fix it ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if it is accessible , I'd say some epoxy and a sheet metal screw would do wonders . You will have to sandblast or grind as it wont stick for too long I say a screw as the resulting explosions will be trying to push the epoxy out like a zit and if it stays stuck , then it worked , otherwise ....... If it is on the bottom and you cant get at it from the water jacket AND it is above the area that the rings ride ,one from the inside would be the ticket Maybe a wee machine bolt with the threads beat over the nut would feel safer . If it rotted all the way throughyou know the cylinder has got to be pretty thin elsewhere too . Like an old gas tank . "made of lace " It would be nice to take the head off so you could put a finger on each side and get a feel for what is left to work with . All you need to make the head gasket is a ball pien hammer , so jump in and so greasy you cant take pictures.Stick the point of your pocket knife in the hole , scrape it around and see how big it gets and choose a short screw , grind it off if its too long . The chicks will think you are a genius ! As per the chalkboard , I meant the math required to figure out a proper gov spring . None required . I trust she is set nice now , or she wouldn't be blowing bubbles ? Quite a feeling aye ? Most empowering too . SEL is a giant never ending piece of scratch paper,so scribble on Bro ! Chuck Balyeat On the Nueces , Texas From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 6 17:23:05 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:23:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Royster Boys References: <063801c47b65$db8f4710$240110ac@VAIO> <003001c47ba3$df39a840$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: <00a601c47c14$b6f8b800$240110ac@VAIO> I can see that the Royster Brothers are alive and well, just the type of message I expected to get back. Only the Royster Boys have such creative minds and such a literary perspective on things. Mike you are just toooooo much for me. I will be looking forward to seeing you at Portland this year. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 5:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] The Royster Boys > Hi Paul: > My evil big brother has been off galavanting across the big pond. He and > Carol Ann went to England and had a big ole time, and the French's > entertained them in high style. I am suprised we haven't read about his > travels much like Arnie's travels. Rumor has it he almost got booted off > the plane for "suspicious packages". Seems the metal detectors went off in > high gear when Steve's luggage went through. All the suits gathered around > and started asking questions, Steve got pulled out of line and had to take > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 6 17:31:43 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:31:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Stover Owners Message-ID: <00d801c47c15$ec2df9d0$240110ac@VAIO> Ok Gang I am going to try again. I would like to correspond with ANYONE who has any Stover's with Fuel Saver Arms on them. I just cannot accept that I have the only Stover Head in the world with my configuration of Fuel Saver Arm, the one I cannot find. It want take you but a second to respond to this inquiry and let me know if you have a Stover Engine with a Fuel Saver Arm, you may just be the person I have been searching for during the last five or so years. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 6 17:40:17 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:40:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Weekly Plea for Transportation Help Message-ID: <00ed01c47c17$1ed0d0f0$240110ac@VAIO> Portland is only a couple of weeks away and once again I am submitting my weekly plea for transportation help to get my fodder chopper hauled from George Woodzell's house in Schenectady, NY to Ivan Cousins place in Clarion, Pa or to Portland. Ivan has graciously consented to haul it from his place in Clarion, Pa to Portland if someone can get it to him there. As I have said in previous posts George hauled the chopper from Massachusetts to his home in Schenectady in the back of his Volvo station wagon so it is not a big piece of equipment. If anyone can help me please contact me via e-mail or via phone at 501-230-8229. Somebody make my day for me and help me out, I would be indebted to you. Thanks. Paul From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Aug 7 00:39:54 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:39:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Boone show pictures are up. In-Reply-To: <41121CC9.4040903@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200408070739.i777dwIo050196@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi Curt, I am not sure what the connection between the early Massey-Harris engines (which came from the purchase of the Deyo-Macey Engine Co.) but there must be something as the carbys are very similar. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Patrick, Thanks for the info. Will correct this on the web page. Was the mixer on the MH the same mixer as the Old's? The opening of the mixer is sure a dead ringer for the Old's.... Curt From maytag_eradication_initiative at yahoo.com Sat Aug 7 01:03:57 2004 From: maytag_eradication_initiative at yahoo.com (Hugh Jorgan) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 01:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Looking for Stover Owners In-Reply-To: <00d801c47c15$ec2df9d0$240110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <20040807080357.55516.qmail@web50309.mail.yahoo.com> Jeez Louise! Tommy Turner just posted pictures of virtually an entire engine that he recreated and you are worried about a stinking little fuel saver arm. Start off by getting the valves loosened up and get the thing running, then get some scrap iron and make one. Keep playing with it until you get something that works and then worry about making it look nice. It shouldn't be hard to know what the right part should look like once you know how it works. Anyone hear anything from Glenn Winslow lately? Maybe the rattler got him? Now we have a homeless and unemployed gerbil to deal with..... Hugh --- paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > Ok Gang I am going to try again. I would like to correspond with > ANYONE who > has any Stover's with Fuel Saver Arms on them. I just cannot > accept that I > have the only Stover Head in the world with my configuration of > Fuel Saver > Arm, the one I cannot find. It want take you but a second to > respond to this > inquiry and let me know if you have a Stover Engine with a Fuel > Saver Arm, > you may just be the person I have been searching for during the > last five or > so years. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From namhel at supernet.com Sat Aug 7 06:53:26 2004 From: namhel at supernet.com (LYNN LEHMAN) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:53:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron Message-ID: <410-2200486713532626@supernet.com> I read the list all the time ,and usually never have a lot to say, but looked through your engine photos and seen all the time and work you put into it . what an excellent job! priceles! From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Aug 7 10:02:31 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 13:02:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <410-2200486713532626@supernet.com> References: <410-2200486713532626@supernet.com> Message-ID: <41150B27.5030807@scrtc.com> Thanks for the kind comments you and others have given. It was a lot of fun and enjoyment but I'm not sure I would want to tackle another project of such large magnitude again. Maybe when I retire...... I'll probably have it out at some shows next year. I have to give special thanks to those that helped, gave advice, etc. on bringing the project together. Scott Ferguson, Packy Erpelding, Scotty Workman, and several others were a big help in getting it done. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY LYNN LEHMAN wrote: > I read the list all the time ,and usually never have a lot to say, but looked through your engine photos and seen all the time and work you put into it . >what an excellent job! priceles! >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 7 16:13:57 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 18:13:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Somone - Help! Message-ID: <014801c47cd4$39a32280$240110ac@VAIO> Folks I am trying to get in touch with Harry Eisenhower III, I was told he used Harry's Barn Sale and Big Engine Site's in the past but for some reason I cannot search the archives. Does anyone know him, I am looking for his e-mail address or his telephone number. I think he may be able to help me with a problem I have on some old iron. Thanks, Paul From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com Sat Aug 7 18:02:39 2004 From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:02:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The Royster Boys OT References: <063801c47b65$db8f4710$240110ac@VAIO> <003001c47ba3$df39a840$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: <005d01c47ce3$67deeda0$84c67040@user> Usta know a guy like that. Bought a pair of them "odor eaters", took two steps and vanished. Gotta be carefull... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] The Royster Boys Hi Paul: My evil big brother has been off galavanting across the big pond. He and Carol Ann went to England and had a big ole time, and the French's entertained them in high style. I am suprised we haven't read about his travels much like Arnie's travels. Rumor has it he almost got booted off the plane for "suspicious packages". Seems the metal detectors went off in high gear when Steve's luggage went through. All the suits gathered around and started asking questions, Steve got pulled out of line and had to take his shoes off. Big Mistake! Any of yall ever notice he don't never go barefoot? Well he popped those brogans off and all that built up aroma set loose. First off, he ruined two drug sniffing dogs. Next, the food courts got shut down cause folks thought the egg salad went bad. Then the smoke alarms went off which set off the sprinkler systems. Not a bunch of happy people with badges. What was in the bag that started all this mess? Turns out ole Stevie had packed a bunch of them little cans of "Vienie sausages" and the FBI wannabes thought they might be hazardous. Not near as hazardous as them stinky feet!!! Well everybody had a good laugh, Steve got to go to England, plus he now has a special airport pass says he is a "VIP" and don't never have to take his shoes off again. Ain't he special? To top it off he ain't been home a week and gets a letter from the CIA about how his country needs him and all that. Turns out, they want to take him over there where the fighting is, pop off his brogans and "diffuse" the situation. He sure is a lucky feller, gettin to travel on the government dole. And Paul, as for me; well I was left behind here in the States to look after our aging parents and run the family business of making odor eater foot products. I enjoy their company and consider it an honor. I was just Crisco proud Steve got to go over yonder. Well, gotta go now. I preciate the note of concern and hope you and the SEL are all well. Hope to see youins in Portland if we all survive the trip in Steve's truck assuming he keeps his shoes on. My best to you and yours, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 11:31 PM Subject: [SEL] The Royster Boys > Anyone heard from either of the Royster Boys lately? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Aug 7 18:36:40 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:36:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Last-Minute Portland Motel Reservation? Message-ID: <65949CC8-E8DB-11D8-BBDD-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> I've just cancelled 2 rooms at the Muncie, IN Super-8 from Sunday August 22-Sunday August 29. Here's their contact info: SUPER 8 MOTEL - MUNCIE 3601 W. Foxridge Ln. Muncie , Indiana ? 47304 United States 765-286-4333 We'll miss seeing y'all at Portland. Have fun! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From pwaugh at mchsi.com Sat Aug 7 20:07:59 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:07:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040805223522.00b14a58@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> <00da01c47b92$1b51bdc0$ca111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <002501c47cf4$e94823a0$0400a8c0@paul> Reg are you having trouble sleeping during the day also??, or is that part ok?? miss ya Paul W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 1:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? > Aw Gee! Will ya leave off talkin about Portland. > I CANT SLEEP AT NIGHT!!!!!!!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > Paul: The trailer parking area is North of the vendor area. I have parked > > my equipment trailer there many years with no problems. I even left a > chain > > and binder on it two years ago - still there a week later. (-; > > See you in a couple of weeks!! > > - Steve > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Aug 7 21:34:05 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:34:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Show pictures Message-ID: <000d01c47d00$f0d9e3e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Take a look at: http://frapa.us/Photos/Ault/Ault.html Small town festival with engines. The three Listers running were impressive. Also a Petter. The UK was well represented at this show. Enjoy. Reg don't loose any more sleep. Think of Portland as cement, and cement is work. Can't wait for the day I can go. :) Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Aug 8 02:16:04 2004 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 19:16:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] TANGYE Dating?? In-Reply-To: <000d01c47d00$f0d9e3e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040808191307.00b8a3c8@mail.ncable.com.au> >G'day all. I would like to find out the age and any other info on hand >about a TANGYE engine. Number is 6552B, I would guess it to be about 5hp?? >Anyone a guru on these who can pass on some info to me. Thanks, Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Aug 8 03:12:36 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:12:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040805223522.00b14a58@oak.cats.ohiou.edu><00da01c47b92$1b51bdc0$ca111bd3@athlon> <002501c47cf4$e94823a0$0400a8c0@paul> Message-ID: <005001c47d30$437108c0$86121bd3@athlon> See! Thats all the damn sympathy I get!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? > Reg > > are you having trouble sleeping during the day also??, or is that part ok?? > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Aug 8 03:14:39 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:14:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Show pictures References: <000d01c47d00$f0d9e3e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <005801c47d30$88308580$86121bd3@athlon> Jeff, I really dont think cuddling all the list girls as work!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold Reg don't loose any more sleep. Think of Portland as cement, and cement is work. Can't wait for the day I can go. :) From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Aug 8 03:32:18 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 11:32:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? In-Reply-To: <005001c47d30$437108c0$86121bd3@athlon> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040805223522.00b14a58@oak.cats.ohiou.edu><00da01c47b92$1b51bdc0$ca111bd3@athlon> <002501c47cf4$e94823a0$0400a8c0@paul> <005001c47d30$437108c0$86121bd3@athlon> Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:12:36 +1000, you wrote: >See! Thats all the damn sympathy I get!!! >Reg & Marg Ingold. You just need to appoint someone as a 'proxy Reggie' who can do all of the kissing and cuddling for you, that way nobody misses out.... 'cept you of course!! :-)) We'll miss you this year, seems that few are coming from overseas..... Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Sun Aug 8 05:11:00 2004 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Michael Christie) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 22:11:00 +1000 Subject: [S] [SEL] TANGYE Dating?? References: <5.2.0.9.2.20040808191307.00b8a3c8@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <001301c47d40$c70578a0$42a557ca@andrewiowlw0rj> G'day Russell I would say the date to be roughly 1906 as mine is No6255B and a chap in england dated it to this roughly. Cheers Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 7:16 PM Subject: [S] [SEL] TANGYE Dating?? > > >G'day all. I would like to find out the age and any other info on hand > >about a TANGYE engine. Number is 6552B, I would guess it to be about 5hp?? > >Anyone a guru on these who can pass on some info to me. > > > Thanks, Russell > > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rexhinz at chorus.net Sun Aug 8 07:15:09 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:15:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pin Hole In The Hopper References: <003901c47c02$366f9e40$5486a5d8@mycomputer> <002001c47c0a$ee05ef20$07905841@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000b01c47d52$1e2fdce0$1a86a5d8@mycomputer> Thanks Chuck ; After a little probing I found a Frost crack like you mentioned , It has been repaired with some braze and the braze has a small pin hole , I will try the screw trick and go from there , I want to show it at the Badger show in Baraboo Wi. in a couple weeks I have run it quite some time with the leak with no problem so I may wait till after the show and then maybe see if it needs a sleeve , sorry I missunderstood you on the chaukboard my appoligies and excuse my spelling , I only put in 7 years of school and most of them were in first grade ;-)) Thanks Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Pin Hole In The Hopper > man , that turned into a thesis , sorry , just waiting for my ride ;-) > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Need some Pro advice , My 1-1/2 Simplicity has a pin hole in the cyl. > and > > I get a small tail of bubbles in the water hopper under compression , as > far > > as I can see no water is getting into the cylinder while running or at > rest > > , the engine runs great but am I going to harm the engine by running it or > > does it need a fix ? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > water in the cyl will eventually stick the rings so you'll probly dump the > water > and run her dry before you set her up . thats a pain sorta > a few drops of water in the wrong placeon the plug/ignitor inside the conm > chamber will > make the ignition get weird on ya too . > Normally on very hot days with 20 people watching you fail to start it . I > had a Nelson like that > finally had to braze it . 6 inch frost crack > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I hope this is not a dumb question that is messing up > > another perfectly clean chaukboard , will JB weld fix it ? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > if it is accessible , I'd say some epoxy and a sheet metal screw would do > wonders . > You will have to sandblast or grind as it wont stick for too long > I say a screw as the resulting explosions will be trying to push the epoxy > out like a zit > and if it stays stuck , then it worked , otherwise ....... > If it is on the bottom and you cant get at it from the water jacket > AND it is above the area that the rings ride ,one from the inside would be > the ticket > Maybe a wee machine bolt with the threads beat over the nut would feel > safer . > If it rotted all the way throughyou know the cylinder has got to be pretty > thin > elsewhere too . Like an old gas tank . "made of lace " It would be nice to > take the head off > so you could put a finger on each side and get a feel for what is left to > work with . > All you need to make the head gasket is a ball pien hammer , so jump in > and so greasy you cant take pictures.Stick the point of your pocket knife > in > the hole , scrape it around and see how big it gets and choose a short screw > , grind it off if its > too long . The chicks will think you are a genius ! > > As per the chalkboard , I meant the math required to figure out a proper > gov spring . None required . I trust she is set nice now , or she wouldn't > be blowing bubbles ? > Quite a feeling aye ? Most empowering too . > SEL is a giant never ending piece of scratch paper,so scribble on Bro ! > > > Chuck Balyeat > On the Nueces , Texas > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Sun Aug 8 07:17:45 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 14:17:45 +0000 Subject: [SEL] New Show Pictures Are Up/Bethware Fair Message-ID: The cleats look great. I would like to do something like that on my rear wheels, but have no idea where to get the chunks of rubber at. I could always cut and drill them myself. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================== >From: Curt Holland >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] New Show Pictures Are Up/Bethware Fair >Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 16:20:37 -0400 > >Luke, >Enjoyed the pictures. >About 1/2 way down are a couple of pictures to wet your Rumley fever. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/Bethware2004/Thumbnails.html > >Didn't he do a great job with the replacement rubber cleats and bands? >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From rexhinz at chorus.net Sun Aug 8 08:36:16 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:36:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT . Old IHC trucks May be lost forever Message-ID: <000b01c47d5d$77e51970$1a86a5d8@mycomputer> Hello list ; I know this is off topic But as engine collectors we all hate to see restorable engine get busted up and melted down for their iron content , Well the same is going to happen to a lot of old K model IHC trucks if I don't stop it , My boss is cleaning up the the old Iron pile and there are about 14 old trucks starting around the 1930's that will be destroyed if I can't find some one who wants them , if any of you know anyone who may collect IHC's and or need parts this is a real chance to get them Cheap here is a link with pictures of them , http://client.webshots.com/photo/172545489/172555083AQOSXf I am not a salesman and I get nothing for doing this I just hate to see the trucks get wasted if someone can use them. you may contact me off list rexhinz at chorus.net sorry if I offended anyone with this post Rex Hinz From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Aug 8 08:48:18 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 16:48:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT . Old IHC trucks May be lost forever In-Reply-To: <000b01c47d5d$77e51970$1a86a5d8@mycomputer> References: <000b01c47d5d$77e51970$1a86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:36:16 -0500, you wrote: >Hello list ; > > I know this is off topic But as engine collectors we all hate to see >restorable engine get busted up and melted down for their iron content , >Well the same is going to happen to a lot of old K model IHC trucks if I >don't stop it , My boss is cleaning up the the old Iron pile and there are >about 14 old trucks starting around the 1930's that will be destroyed if I >can't find some one who wants them , > if any of you know anyone who may collect IHC's and or need parts this is >a real chance to get them Cheap > here is a link with pictures of them , >http://client.webshots.com/photo/172545489/172555083AQOSXf > > I am not a salesman and I get nothing for doing this I just hate to see the >trucks get wasted if someone can use them. >you may contact me off list rexhinz at chorus.net >sorry if I offended anyone with this post >Rex Hinz Hi Rex: I don't think anyone would complain for you posting that information, a lot of the guys have other interests besides stationary engines, and the more people get to know the better chance there is that someone will come along and save them. There was a nicely restored old-timer truck at the Woodland Swap Meet last year when we came over in October, very nicely done. Another nice restored but working truck was at Tulare, the owner was also the restorer of a couple of the Caterpillar exhibits IIRC. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Aug 8 09:17:28 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:17:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT . Old IHC trucks May be lost forever In-Reply-To: <000b01c47d5d$77e51970$1a86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <200408081617.i78GHWIo078912@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > My boss is cleaning up the the old Iron pile > and there are about 14 old trucks starting Hi Rex, Your email has been forwarded to the Grand Poobah of the local chapter of the Antique Truck Historical Society on the off chance that he or one of his homeboys need something that your boss has. Perhaps you can go to the national body's web page, find your local chapter, and give them a call. http://www.aths.org/chapters.asp I'll bet those guys will be as happy to hear from you as you would be if some jamoke called you with a yard full of engines. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Aug 8 18:21:12 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 21:21:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show pictures In-Reply-To: <000d01c47d00$f0d9e3e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> References: <000d01c47d00$f0d9e3e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <67020BA0-E9A2-11D8-8DD7-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Lots of nice engines there! On Aug 8, 2004, at 12:34 AM, Jeff Allen wrote: > Hello all, > > Take a look at: http://frapa.us/Photos/Ault/Ault.html John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Aug 8 20:11:15 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? In-Reply-To: <001001c47bd1$69fa2900$4d680b42@gnarmstrong> References: <001001c47bd1$69fa2900$4d680b42@gnarmstrong> Message-ID: Hell Reg, Not only will we be talking about you, we're gonna charge all our beer to your credit card and use your name with the bail bondsman!! Remember after that little "incident" with the twins last year he said you were his BEST customer and that he was gonna open an account just for YOUR business!! I'll try my best to deliver "Reggie cuddles" to the Ladies of the SEL. But it just won't be the same.... See ya, Arnie On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > Portland will miss you this year as well Reg. I'm confident your absence > will be spoken of during the show. Geo. > -----Original Message----- > From: Reg & Margaret Ingold > > >Aw Gee! Will ya leave off talkin about Portland. > > I CANT SLEEP AT NIGHT!!!!!!!! > >Reg & Marg Ingold. From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 8 22:01:11 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 00:01:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? References: <001001c47bd1$69fa2900$4d680b42@gnarmstrong> Message-ID: <001901c47dcd$e4554e20$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Hi All, just a word to let everyone know that Jennifer and I will not be making the trip to Portland this year. I have been confined to a wheel chair for the past 30 days due to a diabetic wound on a foot that has refused to heal since the first of April. That however is not the straw that broke the camels back, Jen's mother Garnett (71) has been the sole caregiver to Jen's father Bill (89) for the past 15 years. Bill has congestive heart failure and a host of other ills that have made him bed ridden, July 20th Garnett suffered a stoke and is paralyzed on her left side. This means that Jennifer is now the main caregiver for all three of us, and works a 50 plus hours work week at her job. So, maybe next time, Have fun ! PS, a couple of you are expecting deliveries from me there, I am looking for rides for them , but if that fails we will have to fall back on the mail or what ever. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? > Hell Reg, > > Not only will we be talking about you, we're gonna charge all our beer to > your credit card and use your name with the bail bondsman!! Remember > after that little "incident" with the twins last year he said you were his > BEST customer and that he was gonna open an account just for YOUR > business!! > > I'll try my best to deliver "Reggie cuddles" to the Ladies of the SEL. > But it just won't be the same.... > > See ya, Arnie > > On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > > > Portland will miss you this year as well Reg. I'm confident your absence > > will be spoken of during the show. Geo. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Reg & Margaret Ingold > > > > >Aw Gee! Will ya leave off talkin about Portland. > > > I CANT SLEEP AT NIGHT!!!!!!!! > > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon Aug 9 07:37:10 2004 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 07:37:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? References: <001001c47bd1$69fa2900$4d680b42@gnarmstrong> <001901c47dcd$e4554e20$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <003b01c47e1e$5b0bdfc0$66fe3e04@yourc8bh3jaglt> Hi Ted, We will be through Kansas City on Aug 22 on our way to Portland. Be glad to help if we can. Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Brookover" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? > Hi All, just a word to let everyone know that Jennifer and I will not be > making the trip to Portland this year. > > I have been confined to a wheel chair for the past 30 days due to a diabetic > wound on a foot that has refused to heal since the first of April. > > That however is not the straw that broke the camels back, Jen's mother > Garnett (71) has been the sole caregiver to Jen's father Bill (89) for the > past 15 years. Bill has congestive heart failure and a host of other ills > that have made him bed ridden, > > July 20th Garnett suffered a stoke and is paralyzed on her left side. > > This means that Jennifer is now the main caregiver for all three of us, and > works a 50 plus hours work week at her job. > > So, maybe next time, Have fun ! > > PS, a couple of you are expecting deliveries from me there, I am looking for > rides for them , but if that fails we will have to fall back on the mail or > what ever. > > Ted Brookover > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > 816-763-3142 > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 10:11 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? > > > > Hell Reg, > > > > Not only will we be talking about you, we're gonna charge all our beer to > > your credit card and use your name with the bail bondsman!! Remember > > after that little "incident" with the twins last year he said you were his > > BEST customer and that he was gonna open an account just for YOUR > > business!! > > > > I'll try my best to deliver "Reggie cuddles" to the Ladies of the SEL. > > But it just won't be the same.... > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > > > > > Portland will miss you this year as well Reg. I'm confident your > absence > > > will be spoken of during the show. Geo. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Reg & Margaret Ingold > > > > > > >Aw Gee! Will ya leave off talkin about Portland. > > > > I CANT SLEEP AT NIGHT!!!!!!!! > > > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Mon Aug 9 08:00:58 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:00:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Webster Mag Date Message-ID: <01ba01c47e21$ad8631d0$0301a8c0@ALEC> When was the 1st Webster Mag made and put in use on an engine????????????? Tks Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 From yostsw at atis.net Mon Aug 9 08:12:40 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 11:12:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS events References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> Message-ID: <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> If I could, I would like to get two things from the Portland Attendees/planners: Dates and times of gatherings, events, etc. I am putting together a schedule of events for Portland and would like everyone that has something planned for the Portland show please let me know. For example, if the engine folks could let me know about the beer tasting or George Willer et al, if you could let me know about any camping times or dates that might be helpful on a schedule, etc. Even though I planned it last year and ended up not being able to attend, I would like to put together another "Tractor List Dinner" for Wednesday night at the Mexican restaurant. I got some good feedback from last year so I thought we should do it again. Please let me know if you would like to attend. Thanks and I am READY for Portland Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From shop at cccomm.net Mon Aug 9 09:14:46 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:14:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Message-ID: <019c01c47e2b$fe349950$6501a8c0@Shop> What year is a Fairbanks Z, 3 hp with a serial number of 33,588? I just acquired it. It has an ignitor, but I don't see any provisions for a mag. Would it be coil & battery operated? Dave From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Aug 9 10:19:12 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:19:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Message-ID: <20040809.101913.1212.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Dave. Either you are missing one number or it is a Canadian serial number, and I do not have a list for those. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:14:46 -0700 "Dave Ernst" writes: > What year is a Fairbanks Z, 3 hp with a serial number of 33,588? > I just acquired it. It has an ignitor, but I don't see any > provisions for a mag. Would it be coil & battery operated? > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Aug 9 10:22:55 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:22:55 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks References: <019c01c47e2b$fe349950$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <000701c47e35$8221dbc0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Dave, what I read in Gary Pflum's Gasengine year book it has to be 1918 #289163 - 361036. I can't tell you anything about the ignition. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" What year is a Fairbanks Z, 3 hp with a serial number of 33,588? I just acquired it. It has an ignitor, but I don't see any provisions for a mag. Would it be coil & battery operated? Dave From marvhed at ecenet.com Mon Aug 9 11:18:06 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 18:18:06 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [SEL] Portland map In-Reply-To: <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com><200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <15479.199.62.0.252.1092075486.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> could someone please re-post the link to the SEL enhanced portland grounds map/ terraserver pic that i seem to remember. thanks, marv in minn. From oldengin at udata.com Mon Aug 9 11:46:52 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:46:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Camping.... In-Reply-To: <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <4117C69C.60901@udata.com> Ok, now it will be just one week before I head off to the promised land. What I need is a better count for the camping area... If you have been included in the past and now want to do something stupid and NOT go I would like to know this also! I have about 12 at this time, but that number includes a spot for my friend from Kansas that does not have a putter and a spot for a friend of Dave's. Please let me know by this Thursday and I will write you to confirm. Also we can keep this off list so Bambi and Nitro do not read how busy they might be..... PS Dave, Brutis said you do not get a refund from Findlay and he hopes the shots work out ok for you PSS Mike, you let me forget something, correct?????????????????????? PSSS Arnie remember "BIG BUTT"................................................ PSSSS Ben, how did you marry such a young woman? and give her my phone number if something happens to you -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From mtucker at uky.edu Mon Aug 9 12:00:45 2004 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:00:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Camping NOW Findlay In-Reply-To: <4117C69C.60901@udata.com> References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> <4117C69C.60901@udata.com> Message-ID: >PSS Mike, you let me forget something, correct?????????????????????? Leroy, Now I'm worried! I don't remember what I wasn't supposed to let you forget! Lincoln and I had a great time at the Findlay show. For you list folks who are looking for a GREAT medium sized show with a wide variety of engines, good food, big flea market/vendor area and fantastically friendly folks, put the Findaly show on your calenders next year! It's a great warm-up for Portland and you will not be disappointed. See ya', Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 9 12:32:40 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay In-Reply-To: References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> <4117C69C.60901@udata.com> Message-ID: Hi Folks, I'll endorse what Mike says here. This was my 5th or 6th year at Findlay. After the first show it became a "must do" for me. And for "engine folks" while Findlay is a "medium sized" show in terms of numbers, it's a real premium show in terms of variety and the number of really rare engines. The food is EXCELLENT (but do not let Leroy talk you into the shreaded pigeon) and they provide free gas to exhibitors!! They even had a half-breed powered tractor!! http://www.oldengine.org/members/benc/04findlay/fin4004f.jpg (Thanks for the pic Ben!) Just one word of warning.... Don't miss the first call for the roast corn!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Michael Tucker wrote: > Lincoln and I had a great time at the Findlay show. For you list > folks who are looking for a GREAT medium sized show with a wide > variety of engines, good food, big flea market/vendor area and > fantastically friendly folks, put the Findaly show on your calenders > next year! It's a great warm-up for Portland and you will not be > disappointed. From mtucker at uky.edu Mon Aug 9 12:50:06 2004 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:50:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay In-Reply-To: References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> <4117C69C.60901@udata.com> Message-ID: >They even had a half-breed powered tractor!! >http://www.oldengine.org/members/benc/04findlay/fin4004f.jpg That critter was a HUGE hit with both the spectators and exhibitors. Lincoln decided that it should be called a half-bred-half-breed! See ya', Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Aug 9 12:14:41 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:14:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Camping.... References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com><200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> <4117C69C.60901@udata.com> Message-ID: <000001c47e56$5fceeba0$b144e5d8@3rbys01> Leroy, I trust that you got my note telling you that we will not be there after all this year. We'll shoot for next year. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy C." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 1:46 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland Camping.... > Ok, now it will be just one week before I head off to the promised land. > What I need is a better count for the camping area... If you have been > included in the past and now want to do something stupid and NOT go I > would like to know this also! I have about 12 at this time, but that > number includes a spot for my friend from Kansas that does not have a > putter and a spot for a friend of Dave's. Please let me know by this > Thursday and I will write you to confirm. Also we can keep this off list > so Bambi and Nitro do not read how busy they might be..... > PS Dave, Brutis said you do not get a refund from Findlay and he > hopes the shots work out ok for you > PSS Mike, you let me forget something, correct?????????????????????? > PSSS Arnie remember "BIG > BUTT"................................................ > PSSSS Ben, how did you marry such a young woman? and give her my phone > number if something happens to you > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 9 14:35:09 2004 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 21:35:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Dinner/Auction Message-ID: Hi Dave Put me down for reservations for three for the dinner. Dad, me and my son Brian will be arriving late Wed or early Thursday morning. I just sent a letter to Leroy and reserved a spot in the low rent camping. Also if you can set us aside a small corner to stick a couple engines in the display area that would be good too. I looked at the web site and the feature is Wisconsin built engines so you should have a section for Wisconsin built engineers. I'll see what I can find for the auction in the meantime. See ya Ed Herreid ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Dave Rotigel" Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: [SEL] Portland Dinner/Auction Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:29:05 -0400 Hi All, Only about 60 people have contacted me to say that they will be at the Portland dinner and auction on Thursday August 26th at 6:00 pm in Ducatur (23 miles north of Portland.) I need to give Ellen a "final estimate" before too long. If you plan to attend, but have not let me know thus far, please do so by contacting me at: rotigel at alltel.net Thanks, and sure hope to see you at Portland! Dave PS, Think about what you might want to bring to donate to the ATIS Charity Auction! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Aug 9 15:53:19 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:53:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Webster Mag Date References: <01ba01c47e21$ad8631d0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <004c01c47e63$aafa02b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Alec, The Webster Tri-Polar started in 1913 according to my book. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alec Stevens" To: Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: [SEL] Webster Mag Date When was the 1st Webster Mag made and put in use on an engine????????????? Tks Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Mon Aug 9 16:59:16 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 18:59:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? Message-ID: <000801c47e6c$e1ca0f20$34690b42@gnarmstrong> Ted, The best of wishes to you. I just read an article on using fly maggots to cleanse a wound that failed to heal. Performed by a Dr. and an ancient remedy. It may be worth investigating. We'll miss seeing you at Portland. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Ted Brookover To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Monday, August 09, 2004 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? >Hi All, just a word to let everyone know that Jennifer and I will not be >making the trip to Portland this year. > >I have been confined to a wheel chair for the past 30 days due to a diabetic >wound on a foot that has refused to heal since the first of April. > >That however is not the straw that broke the camels back, Jen's mother >Garnett (71) has been the sole caregiver to Jen's father Bill (89) for the >past 15 years. Bill has congestive heart failure and a host of other ills >that have made him bed ridden, > >July 20th Garnett suffered a stoke and is paralyzed on her left side. > >This means that Jennifer is now the main caregiver for all three of us, and >works a 50 plus hours work week at her job. > >So, maybe next time, Have fun ! > >PS, a couple of you are expecting deliveries from me there, I am looking for >rides for them , but if that fails we will have to fall back on the mail or >what ever. > >Ted Brookover >4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. >Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 >816-763-3142 >ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, >http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ >Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > >This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Arnie Fero" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 10:11 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? > > >> Hell Reg, >> >> Not only will we be talking about you, we're gonna charge all our beer to >> your credit card and use your name with the bail bondsman!! Remember >> after that little "incident" with the twins last year he said you were his >> BEST customer and that he was gonna open an account just for YOUR >> business!! >> >> I'll try my best to deliver "Reggie cuddles" to the Ladies of the SEL. >> But it just won't be the same.... >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, George & Norma Armstrong wrote: >> >> > Portland will miss you this year as well Reg. I'm confident your >absence >> > will be spoken of during the show. Geo. >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Reg & Margaret Ingold >> > >> > >Aw Gee! Will ya leave off talkin about Portland. >> > > I CANT SLEEP AT NIGHT!!!!!!!! >> > >Reg & Marg Ingold. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From anmlcrkr at insightbb.com Mon Aug 9 17:41:30 2004 From: anmlcrkr at insightbb.com (Larry Brandon) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:41:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anyone into old lawn mowers? Message-ID: E & E Monograms StationeryInteresting mower on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4708&item=3832667616& rd=1 Larry Brandon E & E Monograms (ASI 184907) 25070 Indian Ridge Road Sterling, IL 61081 630-886-2790 815-625-4834 815-625-4907 fax From solarrog at pacbell.net Mon Aug 9 18:08:00 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 18:08:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Anyone into old lawn mowers? References: Message-ID: <03fa01c47e76$7dc94680$4af5c13f@pacbell.net> That is a great old mower, but he will not ship it. I do not think im ready to drive 6400 miles there and back to pick it up. darn darn darn. Roger DiRuscio, The Realty Experts. Sales since 1977 contact 510-226-9785 Fremont,Ca 94539 Collector restorer of antique marine engines, Motorscooters, Micro cars private pilot 1981, Ham radio KG6QKZ Volunteer Cert-Comm member, Fremont Fire department. web site--- scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Brandon" To: "Sel at Lists. Stationary-Engine. Com" Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 5:41 PM Subject: [SEL] Anyone into old lawn mowers? > E & E Monograms StationeryInteresting mower on ebay > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4708&item=3832667616& > rd=1 > > > > > > Larry Brandon > > E & E Monograms (ASI 184907) > > 25070 Indian Ridge Road > > Sterling, IL 61081 > > 630-886-2790 > > 815-625-4834 > > 815-625-4907 fax > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Aug 9 18:08:15 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:08:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Message-ID: <20040809.213533.508.7.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Dave, My list says 1918 1st. engine = # 289163 1919 1st. engine = # 361037 Probably mid year 1918. Best I can do. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:14:46 -0700 "Dave Ernst" writes: > What year is a Fairbanks Z, 3 hp with a serial number of 33,588? > I just acquired it. It has an ignitor, but I don't see any > provisions for a mag. Would it be coil & battery operated? > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rexhinz at chorus.net Mon Aug 9 18:55:22 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:55:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? References: <000801c47e6c$e1ca0f20$34690b42@gnarmstrong> Message-ID: <001301c47e7d$19e16470$1886a5d8@mycomputer> Ted ; we've never met but I know how much you have done for this hobby and others , I been on your website ,heard people talk about you at all the shows I've been to in wisconsin , I just want to wish you and your family all to get well very soon , and get back on your feet so I may meet you in person and thank you for all you have accomplished , It takes a very special person with lots of drive and will to do what you have done , Get Well Ted ! we need you ! Rex Hinz > -----Original Message----- > From: Ted Brookover > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: Monday, August 09, 2004 12:07 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? > > > >Hi All, just a word to let everyone know that Jennifer and I will not be > >making the trip to Portland this year. > > > >I have been confined to a wheel chair for the past 30 days due to a > diabetic > >wound on a foot that has refused to heal since the first of April. > > > >That however is not the straw that broke the camels back, Jen's mother > >Garnett (71) has been the sole caregiver to Jen's father Bill (89) for the > >past 15 years. Bill has congestive heart failure and a host of other ills > >that have made him bed ridden, > > > >July 20th Garnett suffered a stoke and is paralyzed on her left side. > > > >This means that Jennifer is now the main caregiver for all three of us, and > >works a 50 plus hours work week at her job. > > > >So, maybe next time, Have fun ! > > > >PS, a couple of you are expecting deliveries from me there, I am looking > for > >rides for them , but if that fails we will have to fall back on the mail or > >what ever. > > > >Ted Brookover > >4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > >Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > >816-763-3142 > >ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > >Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > > >This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Arnie Fero" > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 10:11 PM > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? > > > > > >> Hell Reg, > >> > >> Not only will we be talking about you, we're gonna charge all our beer to > >> your credit card and use your name with the bail bondsman!! Remember > >> after that little "incident" with the twins last year he said you were > his > >> BEST customer and that he was gonna open an account just for YOUR > >> business!! > >> > >> I'll try my best to deliver "Reggie cuddles" to the Ladies of the SEL. > >> But it just won't be the same.... > >> > >> See ya, Arnie > >> > >> On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > >> > >> > Portland will miss you this year as well Reg. I'm confident your > >absence > >> > will be spoken of during the show. Geo. > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Reg & Margaret Ingold > >> > > >> > >Aw Gee! Will ya leave off talkin about Portland. > >> > > I CANT SLEEP AT NIGHT!!!!!!!! > >> > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From oldengin at udata.com Mon Aug 9 19:17:21 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 22:17:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay In-Reply-To: References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> <4117C69C.60901@udata.com> Message-ID: <41183031.6020906@udata.com> Gday Next year feature is john deere. BUT I was offered a chunk of real estate to try and fill with sel members and hope I can get it done. After all how often is it you can sit next to a river and listen to the bull frogs while listening to your, or Arnie's, engins? course maybe that is just Arnie sleeping!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have witnesses Arnie -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From canuckiron at wightman.ca Mon Aug 9 22:31:51 2004 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 22:31:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Boone show pictures are up. References: <200408070739.i777dwIo050196@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <41185DC6.24B84EEF@wightman.ca> I have seen those carbs on a couple of other engines as well. Duncan Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > Hi Curt, > I am not sure what the connection between the early Massey-Harris > engines (which came from the purchase of the Deyo-Macey Engine Co.) but > there must be something as the carbys are very similar. > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > > Patrick, > Thanks for the info. Will correct this on the web page. Was the mixer on > the MH the same mixer as the Old's? The opening of the mixer is sure a > dead ringer for the Old's.... > Curt > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Duncan and Sandy Denman Ayton, Ontario, Canada Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca Visit our Home Page at: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry From ELIDAS at aol.com Mon Aug 9 20:07:22 2004 From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:07:22 EDT Subject: [SEL] Anyone into old lawn mowers? Message-ID: <67.30134cf1.2e4995ea@aol.com> This mower is going to be a little rich for me. This IS a significant mower. At first glance it looks like a Coldwell "L". It is not. This mower was made by F&J before ( and possibly during) the time Coldwell was making the "L". Coldwell did use the basic power unit from 23-28. The actual mower is different. I have only seen two other mowers like this while I have seen around twenty of the Coldwell units. I have heard it said that Coldwell started making their own engines in response to F&J making this mower. Even though F&J had been making it since at least 1917. Coldwell used Fuller engines on several models. If you have a Fuller "N" with a cog on both sides it may have come off a Coldwell. The loss of Coldwell's business during this period could not have helped. Mike Semanoff Waterbury,Ct From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Aug 9 16:16:22 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:16:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Internationally (In)famous? Message-ID: <005301c47e66$e2a14400$0f856ad5@zen> I have just received an E Mail from a Chelmsford MA collector who wished to contact a Danish friend of mine. He had read an article in the English Stationary engine magazine that I wrote in 1999 about Jens restoring an early MAN Diesel engine. Jens died shortly afterwards. When I asked how he had found how to contact me as I had changed my address, he said he was at a show near Massachusetts & asked if anyone had my E Mail. He said someone gave him my correct address. As I have never been anywhere near the USA this must rate me as Infamous. 8^) Taking the subject seriously Look at the following posts. http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/nordjysk/profile.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/jens%201s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/jens2s.jpg It seems that some (so called) friends of Jens who were part of the management commitee arranged for a fleet of large vehicles with lifting equipment to go to the museum that Jens had spent a large portion of his life starting up. They smashed the door & removed the majority of the exhibits, most of which no-one knows where they are. The MAN diesel is still there as it was too large to stea, (Pardon me I mistyped the previous 4 characters) remove. The reproduction room had been destroyed. I am not in the country but as Jens was one of my best friends I am totally devastated at what has happened. I cannot pass on what I have heard as to names Etc as legal proceedings may follow. I hope I never have to post anything like this again. Dave Croft Warrington England From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 9 21:41:54 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:41:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Webster Mag Date References: <01ba01c47e21$ad8631d0$0301a8c0@ALEC> <004c01c47e63$aafa02b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <004801c47e94$5cd29260$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Actually 1911 is more like it, bass framed ones were advertized in Gas Power in mid to late 1911 Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Webster Mag Date > Alec, > > The Webster Tri-Polar started in 1913 according to my book. > > Jeff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alec Stevens" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 9:00 AM > Subject: [SEL] Webster Mag Date > > > When was the 1st Webster Mag made and put in use on an engine????????????? > Tks > > Alec J. Stevens > Investment Specialist > 80 Leighton Road, Suite C > Falmouth, ME 04105 > (800)842-6669 > (207)797-5169 > (207)797-2819 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon Aug 9 22:05:55 2004 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:05:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ignitor Message-ID: <003401c47e97$bb736580$53baa4cb@fred> Hi All, Can someone give me a web address for Ignitor sales & repairs, I have a 1hp. Mogul that needs new Ignitor. Thanks. Brian in Melbourne From segray at mlode.com Mon Aug 9 22:10:58 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 22:10:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) Message-ID: <411858E2.4040303@mlode.com> Hi All - After some Ebay time and money spent, and about a weeks worth of construction, after 8 years, the display trailer is complete. The newest addition is the rear street light that I acquired from Mena Arkansas and is mounted on a "portable power pole". Also, I had to swap out the Petter vertical with the old faithful Ottawa. I've run the Petter as I bought it (mistake!) and it's since developed some fairly (un)healthy problems, like seizing. I finally took some decent pictures of the whole thing to go on the web site, but I was gently prodded into showin' 'em here first. I think I've got views of everything. I have noticed on Netscape, that not all the picture are initially displayed at full size, so check to see if they're at 100% or not. Happy viewing. http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com From jenkins.frames at juno.com Mon Aug 9 21:26:17 2004 From: jenkins.frames at juno.com (Arthur r Jenkins) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:26:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] a favor Message-ID: <20040810.003912.-1384691.46.jenkins.frames@juno.com> Hello List I have a favor to ask, I have a friend that has moved from Michigan to Concord California. What I would like to ask if there is anyone on the list that could suggest places to go and things to do that sort of thing. Shows, events, even good local restraunts and such would be appreciated. Whatever seemes appropiate. Please reply to beckf4 at excite.com Thanks in advance Arthur ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 9 22:45:25 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 22:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Webster Mag Date In-Reply-To: <004801c47e94$5cd29260$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <20040810054525.5987.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Ted, I hope you are on the mend and up and around again soon. You have been pretty quiet lately, which is understandable, and I have missed your wit and wisdom. So, great magneto guru, let me ask you a few questions: About when did Webster move to Racine from Tiffin, Ohio? Any idea how come? Who was Podelsak and what were his patents? Those are questions I have always wondered about but never knew the answers to. If anyone knows, it's you. I love webster mags, they are pretty darned reliable and they are a good looking piece of engineering. Thanks, and take care! Joe --- Ted Brookover wrote: > Actually 1911 is more like it, bass framed ones were advertized in Gas > Power > in mid to late 1911 > ===== Joe Prindle Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: www.tznet.com/jprindle Our Club: www.badgersteamandgas.com See Yoo in Baraboo! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From solarrog at pacbell.net Mon Aug 9 23:36:15 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:36:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) References: <411858E2.4040303@mlode.com> Message-ID: <0a2c01c47ea4$5665b960$c9f3af40@solar> Great pictures thanks for posting them Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 10:10 PM Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) > Hi All - > > After some Ebay time and money spent, and about a weeks worth of > construction, after 8 years, the display trailer is complete. The newest > addition is the rear street light that I acquired from Mena Arkansas and > is mounted on a "portable power pole". Also, I had to swap out the > Petter vertical with the old faithful Ottawa. I've run the Petter as I > bought it (mistake!) and it's since developed some fairly (un)healthy > problems, like seizing. I finally took some decent pictures of the whole > thing to go on the web site, but I was gently prodded into showin' 'em > here first. I think I've got views of everything. I have noticed on > Netscape, that not all the picture are initially displayed at full size, > so check to see if they're at 100% or not. Happy viewing. > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot > > - Steve > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sel at antique-engine.com Tue Aug 10 02:28:09 2004 From: sel at antique-engine.com (Craig Prucha) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 02:28:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) In-Reply-To: <411858E2.4040303@mlode.com> References: <411858E2.4040303@mlode.com> Message-ID: <1092130089.411895297ef65@login.kupio.lunarpages.com> Hi Steve, Great display! As usual you have done a first class job. Man what a lot of work! What did you use for the floor of the trailer, both for the trailer decking and then the top covering? It looks like from the photos your all set in case of an emergency too. You can make electricity, pump water, make air, and see what you are doing. Thanks for sharing the photos. See ya, Craig... Quoting Steve Gray : > Hi All - > > After some Ebay time and money spent, and about a weeks worth of > construction, after 8 years, the display trailer is complete. The newest > addition is the rear street light that I acquired from Mena Arkansas and > is mounted on a "portable power pole". Also, I had to swap out the > Petter vertical with the old faithful Ottawa. I've run the Petter as I > bought it (mistake!) and it's since developed some fairly (un)healthy > problems, like seizing. I finally took some decent pictures of the whole > thing to go on the web site, but I was gently prodded into showin' 'em > here first. I think I've got views of everything. I have noticed on > Netscape, that not all the picture are initially displayed at full size, > so check to see if they're at 100% or not. Happy viewing. > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot > > - Steve From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Aug 10 03:09:09 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:09:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron #5 In-Reply-To: <4113098F.5040906@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <200408101009.i7AA91oQ087592@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> What a fantastic project. You have done a great job on a rare engine Tommy. It is inspiring to see such a big project turn out so well. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- It was an enjoyable project but I don't know that I will ever tackle something this massive again. I want to again that Jerry Toews for his generosity. I will be bringing his original engine to Portland to deliver. Hope I haven't been too long winded. I had someone ask me a few weeks ago how the project was going and I told them I would post photos and info when I got a chance. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Aug 10 03:33:48 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:33:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ignitor References: <003401c47e97$bb736580$53baa4cb@fred> Message-ID: <013b01c47ec6$f40c7ce0$7b0d1bd3@athlon> Brookover, Ted E-mail Address(es): ignitors at sbcglobal.net Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 3:05 PM Subject: [SEL] Ignitor > Hi All, > Can someone give me a web address for Ignitor sales & repairs, I have a 1hp. > Mogul that needs new Ignitor. > Thanks. > Brian in Melbourne > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at keyconn.net Wed Aug 11 08:37:25 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:37:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? In-Reply-To: <000801c47e6c$e1ca0f20$34690b42@gnarmstrong> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20040811072845.00b87408@mail.keyconn.net> Ted i am sure that in your area some where there is a hospital that has a oxygen hippervaric unit[spelling most likely wrong].Some thing like divers are put in to decompress i have seen people with sores like you have said that they heal. The foot or leg is put in and sealed then almost pure oxygen is pumped in under pressure. It causes the area to absorb more oxygen to the affected area and promotes healing very fast days instead of weeks. i have done a little reading on the maggot treatment also and it is a big help. get well soon R Fink PA At 06:59 PM 8/9/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Ted, > The best of wishes to you. I just read an article on using fly maggots to >cleanse a wound that failed to heal. Performed by a Dr. and an ancient >remedy. It may be worth investigating. We'll miss seeing you at Portland. >Geo. >-----Original Message----- >From: Ted Brookover >To: The SEL email discussion list >Date: Monday, August 09, 2004 12:07 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? > > > >Hi All, just a word to let everyone know that Jennifer and I will not be > >making the trip to Portland this year. > > > >I have been confined to a wheel chair for the past 30 days due to a >diabetic > >wound on a foot that has refused to heal since the first of April. > > > >That however is not the straw that broke the camels back, Jen's mother > >Garnett (71) has been the sole caregiver to Jen's father Bill (89) for the > >past 15 years. Bill has congestive heart failure and a host of other ills > >that have made him bed ridden, > > > >July 20th Garnett suffered a stoke and is paralyzed on her left side. > > > >This means that Jennifer is now the main caregiver for all three of us, and > >works a 50 plus hours work week at her job. > > > >So, maybe next time, Have fun ! > > > >PS, a couple of you are expecting deliveries from me there, I am looking >for > >rides for them , but if that fails we will have to fall back on the mail or > >what ever. > > > >Ted Brookover > >4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > >Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > >816-763-3142 > >ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > >Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > > >This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Arnie Fero" > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 10:11 PM > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? > > > > > >> Hell Reg, > >> > >> Not only will we be talking about you, we're gonna charge all our beer to > >> your credit card and use your name with the bail bondsman!! Remember > >> after that little "incident" with the twins last year he said you were >his > >> BEST customer and that he was gonna open an account just for YOUR > >> business!! > >> > >> I'll try my best to deliver "Reggie cuddles" to the Ladies of the SEL. > >> But it just won't be the same.... > >> > >> See ya, Arnie > >> > >> On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > >> > >> > Portland will miss you this year as well Reg. I'm confident your > >absence > >> > will be spoken of during the show. Geo. > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Reg & Margaret Ingold > >> > > >> > >Aw Gee! Will ya leave off talkin about Portland. > >> > > I CANT SLEEP AT NIGHT!!!!!!!! > >> > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 10 04:41:44 2004 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 04:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) In-Reply-To: <411858E2.4040303@mlode.com> Message-ID: <20040810114144.55871.qmail@web14101.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Steve, That is one beautiful display. Un believable amount of work and TLC. Thanks for the Pics. Ron Steve Gray wrote: Hi All - After some Ebay time and money spent, and about a weeks worth of construction, after 8 years, the display trailer is complete. The newest addition is the rear street light that I acquired from Mena Arkansas and is mounted on a "portable power pole". Also, I had to swap out the Petter vertical with the old faithful Ottawa. I've run the Petter as I bought it (mistake!) and it's since developed some fairly (un)healthy problems, like seizing. I finally took some decent pictures of the whole thing to go on the web site, but I was gently prodded into showin' 'em here first. I think I've got views of everything. I have noticed on Netscape, that not all the picture are initially displayed at full size, so check to see if they're at 100% or not. Happy viewing. http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 10 04:28:57 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay In-Reply-To: <41183031.6020906@udata.com> References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> <4117C69C.60901@udata.com> <41183031.6020906@udata.com> Message-ID: And pictures no doubt.... On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Leroy C. wrote: > After all how often is it you can sit next to a river and listen to the > bull frogs while listening to your, or Arnie's, engins? course maybe > that is just Arnie sleeping!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I > have witnesses Arnie From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 10 04:43:08 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Events - Beer Tasting In-Reply-To: <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Hi Spencer, The annual International Beer & Crisps Tasting will take place on Friday August 27th starting at 7:00 pm (local time) and ending when the beer is gone or everyone has been arrested (whichever comes first). The location will be the same as last year; Minneapolis-Moline Drive next to the Red River (AKA "The Low Rent District"). What IS it with Leroy and these damn rivers??? Everyone attending is asked to bring: - Coolers with beer for tasting (the "good" stuff, not Bud Lite) - Crisps for tasting (since there will be few Brits, think chips) - Chairs for sitting - Stories for telling - Songs for singing (musical instruments are optional) When folks get hungry, we'll collect for and order pizza (delivered). Any questions, just ask.... I'll be the HMFIC. Unless there's a problem, then Leroy's in charge. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com PS - Yes, the FATGs are welcome to attend. Just bring beer... On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Spencer Yost wrote: > Dates and times of gatherings, events, etc. I am putting together a > schedule of events for Portland and would like everyone that has something > planned for the Portland show please let me know. For example, if the > engine folks could let me know about the beer tasting or George Willer et > al, if you could let me know about any camping times or dates that might be > helpful on a schedule, etc. From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 10 04:48:29 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Events - SEL Group Photo In-Reply-To: <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Hi Spencer, Even though this process is like herding cats, we'd like to try for group photos at High Noon (local time) in the SEL area on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. PLEASE try to be there..... The "focal point engine" for the gathering will be announced. Historically it's been the biggest & boldest engine in the SEL area. Think Dave Rotigel's 16 hp Galloway or Jim Yost's Reid. You get the idea... See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com PS - Yeah, the FATGs are welcome to attend THIS event too. 8-)) On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Spencer Yost wrote: > Dates and times of gatherings, events, etc. I am putting together a > schedule of events for Portland and would like everyone that has something > planned for the Portland show please let me know. From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 10 05:19:08 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:19:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Webster Mag Date References: <20040810054525.5987.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002401c47ed4$3d188480$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Hi Joe, good questions, unfortunately the answers are somewhat suspect. The best information available is in Doc Schuster's book, "The Webster System", where he states that Emil Podlesak was the superintendent of the Webster Electric Co. prior to 1913 while the company was located in Tiffin, OH. Dr. Schuster also states that the move to Racine was brought about by an eviction and a flood in Ohio, in 1913. These two pieces of information are interesting, unfortunately in the next paragraph or two he gives the impression that, 1. the change to Horseshoe Magnets (AKA the birth of the Tri-Polar) came in or after 1913 and, 2. that the brass frames were used till the WW I era (1914 to 1918 depending on your location), since both of these have long since been shown to be false by evidence from the period, I am forced to be suspect of the first two. First evidence of the Tri-Polar as I have said, shows up in magazines of late 1911 and it has been my experience that brass frames were abandoned for die cast Zinc sometime prior to 1914, as evidenced by picture in these same magazines. Someone that has seen as many Websters as I have can spot the Brass frames from the Zinc frames by the shape of the casting. PS, thanks for the kind words from you and everyone else on the list. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Prindle" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 12:45 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Webster Mag Date > Hi Ted, > I hope you are on the mend and up and around again soon. You have been > pretty quiet lately, which is understandable, and I have missed your wit > and wisdom. > So, great magneto guru, let me ask you a few questions: > About when did Webster move to Racine from Tiffin, Ohio? Any idea how > come? Who was Podelsak and what were his patents? > Those are questions I have always wondered about but never knew the > answers to. If anyone knows, it's you. I love webster mags, they are > pretty darned reliable and they are a good looking piece of engineering. > Thanks, and take care! > Joe > --- Ted Brookover wrote: > > Actually 1911 is more like it, bass framed ones were advertized in Gas > > Power > > in mid to late 1911 > > > > > ===== > Joe Prindle > Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist > See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: > www.tznet.com/jprindle > Our Club: > www.badgersteamandgas.com > See Yoo in Baraboo! > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Tue Aug 10 06:04:28 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:04:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Webster Mag Date References: <01ba01c47e21$ad8631d0$0301a8c0@ALEC> <004c01c47e63$aafa02b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <003301c47eda$919be5a0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Jeff, thanks, I am trying to figure out how some of the early Int. engines had websters before that date and they appear to be original from the factory ??? If anyone can verify that , that would be great. Tks Again Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Webster Mag Date > Alec, > > The Webster Tri-Polar started in 1913 according to my book. > > Jeff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alec Stevens" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 9:00 AM > Subject: [SEL] Webster Mag Date > > > When was the 1st Webster Mag made and put in use on an engine????????????? > Tks > > Alec J. Stevens > Investment Specialist > 80 Leighton Road, Suite C > Falmouth, ME 04105 > (800)842-6669 > (207)797-5169 > (207)797-2819 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 10 05:57:06 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Anyone into old lawn mowers? In-Reply-To: <03fa01c47e76$7dc94680$4af5c13f@pacbell.net> References: <03fa01c47e76$7dc94680$4af5c13f@pacbell.net> Message-ID: Hi Roger, If it would help, I could collect the mower and drag it to Portland for you. You've always planned on going to Portland, maybe this is the year? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Roger DiRuscio wrote: > That is a great old mower, but he will not ship it. I do not think im ready > to drive 6400 miles there and back to pick it up. darn darn darn. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Interesting mower on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4708&item=3832667616&rd=1 From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Aug 10 06:21:26 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:21:26 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Nordhorn, Germany 2004 Message-ID: <000701c47edc$f0c5db60$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hey All, Attended the Nordhorn, Germany "Field Days" this past weekend. This years featuring tractor was Deutz - Fahr. 1557 items on display of which more then 1000 tractors. Alas not that many engines, but enough to see and to talk engines in general. The weather was hot in the 88th and of course alot of beer and bratwurst ( German like). The pictures can be seen at: From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Aug 10 06:26:34 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:26:34 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Nordhorn, Germany 2004 Message-ID: <001a01c47edd$a7d2f8b0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Ooops, hit the wrong button :o( Here is the Url: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/nordhorn2004.htm Enjoy, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Aug 10 06:33:33 2004 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:33:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay Message-ID: This year I will be in a Motel with sweet thing but my brother is going to stake his claim in the low rent district by the red river. SO ..... if ya hear snoring this year we'll know the true story of which brother is the noisemaker. I nominate Sheila to do the inquiry since she will also be searching the tent for singlemalt in the wee hours after the international tasting event! See ya there, Steve >From: "Leroy C." >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Findlay >Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 22:17:21 -0400 > >Gday > Next year feature is john deere. BUT I was offered a chunk of real >estate to try and fill with sel members and hope I can get it done. After >all how often is it you can sit next to a river and listen to the bull >frogs while listening to your, or Arnie's, engins? course maybe that is >just Arnie sleeping!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have >witnesses Arnie > >-- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > >"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > >better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From kerogas at the-i.net Tue Aug 10 07:01:53 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:01:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pin Hole In The Hopper References: <003901c47c02$366f9e40$5486a5d8@mycomputer><002001c47c0a$ee05ef20$07905841@oemcomputer> <000b01c47d52$1e2fdce0$1a86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <003401c47ee2$9b835280$07905841@oemcomputer> I want to show it at the Badger show > in Baraboo Wi. in a couple weeks Do not take it for granted that it is so close to you . Damn that smarts From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 10 06:55:47 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: The Bad Brother In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Steve, Should we plan on taking pictures? 8->> See ya, Arnie On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Steve Royster wrote: > This year I will be in a Motel with sweet thing but my brother is going to > stake his claim in the low rent district by the red river. SO ..... if ya > hear snoring this year we'll know the true story of which brother is the > noisemaker. I nominate Sheila to do the inquiry since she will also be > searching the tent for singlemalt in the wee hours after the international > tasting event! See ya there, Steve From yostsw at atis.net Tue Aug 10 08:03:14 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:03:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Events References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200> <200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200> <200406231816100593.1B13A373@192.168.2.200> <200406241145380078.1ED4722F@192.168.2.200> <200406241734500359.201437E1@192.168.2.200> <200407061438370953.14B4E57A@192.168.2.200> <200407092231060171.026123B2@192.168.2.200> <200407191134280218.038A5E84@192.168.2.200> <200407222152040656.1183F39A@192.168.2.200> <200407231622570453.157CFE16@192.168.2.200> <200407231757210109.002E2606@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200407270832090468.03C195F4@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200408101103140828.0C00D34F@heavyiron.atis.net> The following is a link to the schedule of events I have drawn up. Please mail me directly at yostsw at atis.net with any changes, additions, comments, etc. http://www.atis.net/Portland.html Thanks Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 10 08:21:39 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:21:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: The Bad Brother References: Message-ID: <4118E803.1010604@imc-group.com> Arnie, Golden opportunity here..... compromising photos vs. oil and engine tycoon. Correctly planned blackmail scheme and you (we) could net some very nice engines. Curt H P.S. Shhh.....let's keep this plan quiet so as not to tip Mike off. Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Steve, > >Should we plan on taking pictures? 8->> > >See ya, Arnie > >On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Steve Royster wrote: > > > >>I nominate Sheila to do the inquiry since she will also be >>searching the tent for singlemalt in the wee hours after the international >>tasting event! See ya there, Steve >> >> From solarrog at pacbell.net Tue Aug 10 08:37:45 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:37:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Anyone into old lawn mowers? References: <03fa01c47e76$7dc94680$4af5c13f@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <00f401c47eef$fbdacac0$7cf1af40@solar> Thanks for the offer Arnie. Im sure that would knock at least 400 miles off the trip. The heck of it is I just bought a diesel van that sitting in Pittsburg, Pa right now and its being shipped to me this week, but the shippers will not allow the inside to be loaded with stuff. They cant trust the drivers to leave things alone. darn, darn, darn. Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 5:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Anyone into old lawn mowers? > Hi Roger, > > If it would help, I could collect the mower and drag it to Portland for > you. You've always planned on going to Portland, maybe this is the year? > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Roger DiRuscio wrote: > > > That is a great old mower, but he will not ship it. I do not think im ready > > to drive 6400 miles there and back to pick it up. darn darn darn. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > Interesting mower on ebay > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4708&item=3832667616&rd=1 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Aug 10 00:27:51 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:27:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Camping.... References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com><200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> <4117C69C.60901@udata.com> <000001c47e56$5fceeba0$b144e5d8@3rbys01> Message-ID: <411878F7.BE1E848C@insulate.co.uk> Hi Gary I think we should ALL shoot for next year (those that can't make it this year, anyway). It is, after all, the 40th Portland. So all of you who've been promising yourselves a trip to Portland sometime, next year is that time - so get saving! Dolly Gary Epps wrote: > > I trust that you got my note telling you that we will not be there after all > this year. We'll shoot for next year. -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Aug 10 08:57:35 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:57:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) Message-ID: <20040810.085736.1080.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Steve. First class as usual, thanks for the pictures. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 22:10:58 -0700 Steve Gray writes: > Hi All - > > After some Ebay time and money spent, and about a weeks worth of > > construction, after 8 years, the display trailer is complete. The > newest > addition is the rear street light that I acquired from Mena Arkansas > and > is mounted on a "portable power pole". Also, I had to swap out the > Petter vertical with the old faithful Ottawa. I've run the Petter as > I > bought it (mistake!) and it's since developed some fairly > (un)healthy > problems, like seizing. I finally took some decent pictures of the > whole > thing to go on the web site, but I was gently prodded into showin' > 'em > here first. I think I've got views of everything. I have noticed on > > Netscape, that not all the picture are initially displayed at full > size, > so check to see if they're at 100% or not. Happy viewing. > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot > > - Steve > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Aug 10 09:04:04 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:04:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) References: <411858E2.4040303@mlode.com> Message-ID: Very NICE Steve! Looks like ya took your time and did it right. Thanks for posting the pix's!!!!!!!!! Take Care, RickinMt. http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot Steve From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 10 09:03:47 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland Super 8 - Room Available Message-ID: Hi Folks, Due to a minor change of plans, one of the list folks who had a room reserved at the Super 8 in Portland will be attending with fewer folks. So he has chosen to take a smaller room in Muncie and is offering the bigger room (in prime real estate) to fellow list folks. So here's the deal.... Its the Portland Super 8 (within walking distance of the showgrounds). The reservation is for a room with two double beds for 6 nights, Aug. 23-28, 2004. If anyone is interested, please contact me off-list. First come, first served. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 10 09:22:33 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:22:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nordhorn, Germany 2004 References: <000701c47edc$f0c5db60$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <4118F649.5000509@imc-group.com> John, On the McD mower what is the large cone shaped thing for? Does it require two operators? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC John Hammink wrote: >Hey All, > >Attended the Nordhorn, Germany "Field Days" this past >weekend. This years featuring tractor was Deutz - Fahr. >1557 items on display of which more then 1000 tractors. >Alas not that many engines, but enough to see and to talk >engines in general. The weather was hot in the 88th and >of course alot of beer and bratwurst ( German like). >The pictures can be seen at: > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From EnginePaul at aol.com Tue Aug 10 09:41:49 2004 From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:41:49 EDT Subject: [SEL] Concord Message-ID: <12e.488baa86.2e4a54cd@aol.com> It should take about ten minutes to find things to do. The entire Bay Area has things happening all the time; go on line or read a local paper. Paul in San Francisco From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 10 10:02:51 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] The Bad Brother In-Reply-To: <4118E803.1010604@imc-group.com> References: <4118E803.1010604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hiya Curt, Good plan! But I think we need additional bait to ensure success. And right to keep it off-list. Who knows what sort of shenanigans the Rapscallion Royster would be up to if he got wind of The Plan. See ya, Arnie On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Curt Holland wrote: > Golden opportunity here..... compromising photos vs. oil and engine > tycoon. Correctly planned blackmail scheme and you (we) could net some > very nice engines. > Curt H > P.S. Shhh.....let's keep this plan quiet so as not to tip Mike off. > > Arnie Fero wrote: > >Should we plan on taking pictures? 8->> > > > >On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Steve Royster wrote: > >>I nominate Sheila to do the inquiry since she will also be > >>searching the tent for singlemalt in the wee hours after the international > >>tasting event! See ya there, Steve From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 10 11:12:04 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Anyone into old lawn mowers? In-Reply-To: <00f401c47eef$fbdacac0$7cf1af40@solar> References: <03fa01c47e76$7dc94680$4af5c13f@pacbell.net> <00f401c47eef$fbdacac0$7cf1af40@solar> Message-ID: Hells bells Roger, opportunity is kicking your door down. Cancel the van shipping, win the eBay mower auction, get an El Cheapo one-way flight to Pittsburgh, I'll pick you up at the airport and drop you off at your van. Then you go and load your mower, and start off on one of George Best's Hell-On-Wheels engine viewing trips stopping in at Portland for a week. You would even have your Portland exhibit!! Who knows, you might even save money. Ya gotta think outside the box!! 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Roger DiRuscio wrote: > Thanks for the offer Arnie. Im sure that would knock at least 400 miles off > the trip. > The heck of it is I just bought a diesel van that sitting in Pittsburg, Pa > right now and its being shipped to me this week, but the shippers will not > allow the inside to be loaded with stuff. They cant trust the drivers to > leave things alone. darn, darn, darn. From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 10 12:02:18 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:02:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The Bad Brother References: <4118E803.1010604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <41191BBA.9000805@imc-group.com> Arnie, What kind of bait have you got in mind to tempt young Royster? Re bait? Jail bait? Master.....no I'm not going there! Curt P.S. Glad to hear your willing to keep this all off-list and quiet. Arnie Fero wrote: >Hiya Curt, > >Good plan! But I think we need additional bait to ensure success. > >And right to keep it off-list. Who knows what sort of shenanigans the >Rapscallion Royster would be up to if he got wind of The Plan. > > > From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Tue Aug 10 12:28:47 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:28:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ault, CO Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A701CFC36F@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >Take a look at: http://frapa.us/Photos/Ault/Ault.html >Small town festival with engines. The three Listers running were impressive. Also a Petter. The UK was >well represented at this show. Enjoy. >Regards, >Jeff Allen >Arvada, Colorado USA Thanks much for the pictures, Jeff. I gotta wonder if that's the same Dempster (#13, #16) that I was trying to salvage a couple years ago... Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Aug 10 12:30:47 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:30:47 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Nordhorn, Germany 2004 References: <000701c47edc$f0c5db60$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> <4118F649.5000509@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000501c47f10$89c219e0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Curt, In those days there were alot farmers with little pieces of land in that area and they couldn't afford bigger equipment. Mowing the harvest with mowers like this, one operated the horse and the other made bundels with the rake of the falling harvest. The cone forged the stalks to the clean side of the land, two or three people walked behind the mower and were making sheafs of the bundels, the last man (mostly women) sheave them for extra drying a copple of days. After well drying they collect them on a wagon and brought it home to thresh by hand or a collective hired threshing machine. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > John, > On the McD mower what is the large cone shaped thing for? Does it > require two operators? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Aug 10 13:53:31 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:53:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Briggs head gasket Message-ID: <20040810.135332.1080.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Does anyone have a spare head gasket for a Briggs and Stratton Model 14 hanging on the wall that they would be willing to part with? A friend just gave me one with a rock crusher attached, and the head gasket is blown. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA From jenkins.frames at juno.com Tue Aug 10 13:55:54 2004 From: jenkins.frames at juno.com (Arthur r Jenkins) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:55:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Concord Message-ID: <20040810.165718.-1384691.55.jenkins.frames@juno.com> Pau; Thanks for the information , I will pass it on Arthur On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:41:49 EDT EnginePaul at aol.com writes: > It should take about ten minutes to find things to do. The entire Bay > Area > has things happening all the time; go on line or read a local > paper. > Paul in San Francisco > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From ottawa at pa.net Tue Aug 10 18:02:47 2004 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:02:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) References: <411858E2.4040303@mlode.com> Message-ID: <009401c47f3e$eb77e6a0$4df1cd97@HONDESKTOP> Steve, Do like your "old faithful" description of the Ottawa! Sometimes we think they must be Cinderella's hateful step sisters! Looks fabulous! Helen George L. & Helen S. Myers The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Tel 717-536-3711 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 http://community.webshots.com/user/doitnowo ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Gray To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 1:10 AM Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) Hi All - After some Ebay time and money spent, and about a weeks worth of construction, after 8 years, the display trailer is complete. The newest addition is the rear street light that I acquired from Mena Arkansas and is mounted on a "portable power pole". Also, I had to swap out the Petter vertical with the old faithful Ottawa. I've run the Petter as I bought it (mistake!) and it's since developed some fairly (un)healthy problems, like seizing. I finally took some decent pictures of the whole thing to go on the web site, but I was gently prodded into showin' 'em here first. I think I've got views of everything. I have noticed on Netscape, that not all the picture are initially displayed at full size, so check to see if they're at 100% or not. Happy viewing. http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Aug 10 18:30:30 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:30:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs head gasket Message-ID: <20040810.213037.704.6.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Ron, If you don't get any response from the list, You might try this site of the Antique Small Engine Collectors Club. http://www.asecc.com/parts.html Good Luck - Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:53:31 -0700 rdhaskell at juno.com writes: > Hi all. > Does anyone have a spare head gasket for a Briggs and Stratton Model > 14 > hanging on the wall that they would be willing to part with? A > friend > just gave me one with a rock crusher attached, and the head gasket > is > blown. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Aug 10 18:57:07 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:57:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) References: <411858E2.4040303@mlode.com> Message-ID: <001501c47f46$82780b00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Fantastic display Steve. Hope to see it in person one day. Noticed a couple serpantine belts in use. You are the second one I know of that has used them for a display. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:10 PM Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) > Hi All - > > After some Ebay time and money spent, and about a weeks worth of > construction, after 8 years, the display trailer is complete. The newest > addition is the rear street light that I acquired from Mena Arkansas and > is mounted on a "portable power pole". Also, I had to swap out the > Petter vertical with the old faithful Ottawa. I've run the Petter as I > bought it (mistake!) and it's since developed some fairly (un)healthy > problems, like seizing. I finally took some decent pictures of the whole > thing to go on the web site, but I was gently prodded into showin' 'em > here first. I think I've got views of everything. I have noticed on > Netscape, that not all the picture are initially displayed at full size, > so check to see if they're at 100% or not. Happy viewing. > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot > > - Steve > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 10 19:50:56 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Gotta Go Now...... Message-ID: <20040811025056.25152.qmail@web20222.mail.yahoo.com> And I don't mean to the restroom. The time has come for me to bid you all adieu for a few weeks. Things are starting to ramp up here, getting ready for our show at Baraboo, WI, to be held August 20, 21 & 22nd, so I will be going off the list for a few weeks. I will check my email one last time before the show on August 13th, and then I am going to be without email for the duration. Those who wish to contact me after that will need to call my home and leave a message, complete with area code, number and best time to call. The number is 715-424-0793. I have a cell phone but do not carry it with me when I am out of the truck, so leaving a message is the only way. I am looking forward to the show this year. We are hosting the National Convention of the Ford-Fordson Collectors and it looks like it going to be a good one. As always, we will have lots of good engines and tractors to see, the sheds will be open and big engines running and the boys will be sawing and threshing on and off all weekend. For the exhibitors who are thinking of coming, we have a nice wooded exhibit area so you can be in the shade. Our show is one of the larger ones around and this will be our 41st try at getting it right. Curt Andree is setting up a list area, so if you are coming and want to exhibit with fellow ferrites, let him know. We will rope off the grounds on the 15th, so let Curt know. This year we are honored to be joined by two of the list's more (in)famous characters, Arnie & Dr. Dave. If that doesn't help you make up your mind to come, nothing will. There will also be a number of other, more reserved, folks from the list there as well! It should really be a good time. So, friends, have fun, play safe, and "see yoo in Baraboo"! Joe www.badgersteamandgas.com ===== Joe Prindle Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: www.tznet.com/jprindle Our Club: www.badgersteamandgas.com See Yoo in Baraboo! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From segray at mlode.com Tue Aug 10 22:06:38 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:06:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) In-Reply-To: <1092130089.411895297ef65@login.kupio.lunarpages.com> References: <411858E2.4040303@mlode.com> <1092130089.411895297ef65@login.kupio.lunarpages.com> Message-ID: <4119A95E.3060008@mlode.com> Hi Folks - Many thanks to all for the many helpings of compliments. Makes the work worthwhile! To answer Craig's questions, as stated, I've been involved with this thing for nearly 9 years, the first several had it stored outside due to lack of space at the old property. Being originally a car trailer, it had the obligatory "pre warped" 2 x 10's over which I had put cheap 1/2" ply. The weather took care of that until I moved here to Sonora in 2000 when I had the barn built. Had a patch of dry rot about 2 FEET in diameter directly under the Lister twin! Around October '02, I field striped the entire unit down to the bare trailer frame and started back with new everything. The deck is fully primed & painted 2 x 8's, covered with fully painted 1/2" ACX ply screwed down every sq. foot. This was then covered with standard house linoleum flooring glued in place (having used the remnants for the shop bath, it now matches the trailer!). All the outer edges have the gold flooring trim strips. All the display items then had to be cleaned up and/or repainted. All the electrical is new since the generator was a new addition, and is fused for a total 6900 watt load. You'll notice the twist-lock outlet on the gen set. That gets a special 'pig tail' cord feeding my property during our many outages. ;-) Thanks again to all! - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Craig Prucha wrote: >Hi Steve, > >Great display! As usual you have done a first class job. Man what a lot of work! >What did you use for the floor of the trailer, both for the trailer decking and >then the top covering? It looks like from the photos your all set in case of an >emergency too. You can make electricity, pump water, make air, and see what you >are doing. Thanks for sharing the photos. See ya, Craig... > > >Quoting Steve Gray : > > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Aug 11 02:37:44 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:37:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] for Helen Message-ID: <01f701c47f86$de3866c0$6e111bd3@athlon> Helen, I am getting mail from me to you at helen.french1 at virgin.net>returned. ????????????????????????????/ Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From wara at ozemail.com.au Wed Aug 11 04:04:04 2004 From: wara at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:04:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron #5 References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net><410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> <4113098F.5040906@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <001101c47f92$eb725d30$ce6854d2@Young1203> Hi Tommy, congratulations on the completion of a terrific engine project. I havent had a look at all the pics yet, but looking forward to some time to look at the rest of them. Michael Young ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 2:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron #5 > > Now its time to put it all together. As I mentioned, what was left of > the engine had a great deal of original paint. I didn't have time to do > a paint job on it so just to keep it from rusting (as new castings do) I > bought a couple of cans of satin black spray paint. The original color > on the engine was black. I did this just to keep the rust away. It > turned out well enough that I may just leave it as it is. > > The photo is poor as the lighting is bad. Here is a photo of the > complete engine assembled: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083036 > > Here's a shot of the working end of the sideshaft. You can see the > governor, fuel injector, intake, etc: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083039 > > Here's another shot. You can see the big exhaust valve box at the > bottom. Boy, was this a job to machine everything where it would line > up and fit. Mostly luck that it fit: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083040 > > The big exhaust valve box. Pretty unique how it works: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083041 > > A rear view of the engine. The paint on the flywheels and base is > original. I never cleaned the surface rust off the crank throw but 30 > minutes with some scotchbrite will take care of that: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083042 > > This is a repo tag I had made from the original: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083043 > > A side view of the engine: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083044 > > It was an enjoyable project but I don't know that I will ever tackle > something this massive again. I want to again that Jerry Toews for his > generosity. I will be bringing his original engine to Portland to deliver. > > Hope I haven't been too long winded. I had someone ask me a few weeks > ago how the project was going and I told them I would post photos and > info when I got a chance. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Aug 11 01:25:35 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:25:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) References: <411858E2.4040303@mlode.com><1092130089.411895297ef65@login.kupio.lunarpages.com> <4119A95E.3060008@mlode.com> Message-ID: <004601c47f7c$c6f2f520$0f856ad5@zen> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 6:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) > Hi Folks - > Many thanks to all for the many helpings of compliments. Makes the > work worthwhile! (snip) > Steve Gray Hi Steve, a real nice job! How about flying a small Union Jack under The Stars & Stripes to please the British part of the display. 8^) (They used to do that in the navy when they captured someones prize equipment) Dave Croft Warrington England From segray at mlode.com Wed Aug 11 08:34:43 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:34:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) In-Reply-To: <004601c47f7c$c6f2f520$0f856ad5@zen> References: <411858E2.4040303@mlode.com><1092130089.411895297ef65@login.kupio.lunarpages.com> <4119A95E.3060008@mlode.com> <004601c47f7c$c6f2f520$0f856ad5@zen> Message-ID: <411A3C93.3080709@mlode.com> Hi Dave - Actually, I've thought of that before, especially when the Petter was still part of the display making it an all Brit display. I haven't had much luck finding a Union Jack. Particularly true in this area where nearly everything has to be ordered! - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Dave Croft wrote: >Hi Steve, a real nice job! How about flying a small Union Jack under >The Stars & Stripes to please the British part of the display. 8^) >(They used to do that in the navy when they captured someone's prize equipment) >Dave Croft >Warrington >England > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From segray at mlode.com Wed Aug 11 08:44:56 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:44:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) In-Reply-To: <001501c47f46$82780b00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> References: <411858E2.4040303@mlode.com> <001501c47f46$82780b00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <411A3EF8.9000602@mlode.com> Hi Jeff - Yeah, the serpentines seem to work out real well, plus they're readily available. The one on the Myers pump is a perfect fit. The only thing I had to do there was fabricate the small diameter pulley on the motor. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Jeff Allen wrote: >Fantastic display Steve. Hope to see it in person one day. Noticed a couple >serpantine belts in use. You are the second one I know of that has used them >for a display. > >Jeff > > From weirgrant at hotmail.com Wed Aug 11 13:54:33 2004 From: weirgrant at hotmail.com (Grant Weir) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:54:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Message-ID: >From: "Dave Ernst" >Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:14:46 -0700 > >What year is a Fairbanks Z, 3 hp with a serial number of 33,588? >I just acquired it. It has an ignitor, but I don't see any provisions for a >mag. Would it be coil & battery operated? > >Dave Hi Dave, I have two of those engines. I looked them up and once and found that FM only made that engine from 1917-1919 so I guess that narrows it down a bit. Both engines have ignitors, but one uses cam gear driven Sumter magneto, and the other uses an ignitor bracket mounted Plugoscillator magneto. Yours sounds like the Plugoscillator style as those engines do not have magneto mounting lugs cast into the base like the other style does. I think those Plugoscillator mags must have been pretty crappy, because they tend to be hack-sawed off and tapped out for a spark plug more often than not. Does yours have the obligatory farmer-added "hacksaw blade screwed to a chunk of fir" spark coil contact off of the cam gear? :-) Here are some parts: http://www.hitnmiss.com/6.htm Grant Weir Saskatoon, SK. Canada _________________________________________________________________ Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special stationery, fonts and colors. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN? Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Aug 11 02:56:06 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:56:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Gotta Go Now...... References: <20040811025056.25152.qmail@web20222.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401c47feb$12426600$430d1bd3@athlon> Have a ball Joe. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From shop at cccomm.net Wed Aug 11 15:17:03 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:17:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks References: Message-ID: <01b801c47ff0$ee2f4390$6501a8c0@Shop> No, there is no hint of anything used to fire this engine, not even a bump on the cam gear. What I haven't seen before is the fresh air intake is a 3/4" pipe about 14" long with an air regulator device on the end, and about midway a copper line tapped into the bottom that looks to be the gas supply line and naturally no tank. A friend here seems to think this engine was perhaps oilfield adapted to run on natural gas or maybe butane. I don't know. I'll post some pics this afternoon for you to look at. Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Weir" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 1:54 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Fairbanks > >From: "Dave Ernst" > >Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks > >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:14:46 -0700 > > > >What year is a Fairbanks Z, 3 hp with a serial number of 33,588? > >I just acquired it. It has an ignitor, but I don't see any provisions for a > >mag. Would it be coil & battery operated? > > > >Dave > > > Hi Dave, > > I have two of those engines. I looked them up and once and found that FM > only made that engine from 1917-1919 so I guess that narrows it down a bit. > Both engines have ignitors, but one uses cam gear driven Sumter magneto, > and the other uses an ignitor bracket mounted Plugoscillator magneto. > Yours sounds like the Plugoscillator style as those engines do not have > magneto mounting lugs cast into the base like the other style does. I think > those Plugoscillator mags must have been pretty crappy, because they tend to > be hack-sawed off and tapped out for a spark plug more often than not. Does > yours have the obligatory farmer-added "hacksaw blade screwed to a chunk of > fir" spark coil contact off of the cam gear? :-) > > Here are some parts: > > http://www.hitnmiss.com/6.htm > > Grant Weir > Saskatoon, SK. > Canada > From shop at cccomm.net Wed Aug 11 15:49:09 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:49:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks References: <01b801c47ff0$ee2f4390$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <01be01c47ff5$69e1b050$6501a8c0@Shop> Here's the pics http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31365971&f=0 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks > No, there is no hint of anything used to fire this engine, not even a bump > on the cam gear. What I haven't seen before is the fresh air intake is a > 3/4" pipe about 14" long with an air regulator device on the end, and about > midway > a copper line tapped into the bottom that looks to be the gas supply line > and naturally no tank. > A friend here seems to think this engine was perhaps oilfield adapted to run > on natural gas or maybe butane. I don't know. > I'll post some pics this afternoon for you to look at. > Thanks > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Grant Weir" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 1:54 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Fairbanks > > > > >From: "Dave Ernst" > > >Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks > > >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:14:46 -0700 > > > > > >What year is a Fairbanks Z, 3 hp with a serial number of 33,588? > > >I just acquired it. It has an ignitor, but I don't see any provisions for > a > > >mag. Would it be coil & battery operated? > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > I have two of those engines. I looked them up and once and found that > FM > > only made that engine from 1917-1919 so I guess that narrows it down a > bit. > > Both engines have ignitors, but one uses cam gear driven Sumter magneto, > > and the other uses an ignitor bracket mounted Plugoscillator magneto. > > Yours sounds like the Plugoscillator style as those engines do not have > > magneto mounting lugs cast into the base like the other style does. I > think > > those Plugoscillator mags must have been pretty crappy, because they tend > to > > be hack-sawed off and tapped out for a spark plug more often than not. > Does > > yours have the obligatory farmer-added "hacksaw blade screwed to a chunk > of > > fir" spark coil contact off of the cam gear? :-) > > > > Here are some parts: > > > > http://www.hitnmiss.com/6.htm > > > > Grant Weir > > Saskatoon, SK. > > Canada > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Aug 11 16:09:36 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:09:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? In-Reply-To: <000801c47e6c$e1ca0f20$34690b42@gnarmstrong> References: <000801c47e6c$e1ca0f20$34690b42@gnarmstrong> Message-ID: <838418DA-EBEB-11D8-ADE3-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > Ted, > The best of wishes to you. I just read an article on using fly > maggots to > cleanse a wound that failed to heal. Performed by a Dr. and an ancient > remedy. It may be worth investigating. You don't need a doctor for that. Just stick the foot out the window for a while and the maggots'll get there. I've seen some that came in that way. The little buggers do clean up the dead stuff well! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Aug 11 16:15:12 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:15:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20040811072845.00b87408@mail.keyconn.net> References: <4.2.0.58.20040811072845.00b87408@mail.keyconn.net> Message-ID: <4C1C3862-EBEC-11D8-ADE3-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > Ted i am sure that in your area some where there is a hospital that > has a oxygen hippervaric unit[spelling most likely wrong]. Hyperbaric oxygen. Apparently the wound healing studies have yielded mixed results with this. The wound care team at our hospital studied the literature and decided it wasn't worth buying into. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Aug 11 16:31:46 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:31:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) In-Reply-To: <411A3EF8.9000602@mlode.com> References: <411858E2.4040303@mlode.com> <001501c47f46$82780b00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <411A3EF8.9000602@mlode.com> Message-ID: <9C180B12-EBEE-11D8-ADE3-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> I've been using a serpentine belt to drive the generator on Dolly the Listeroid for 4 years now. Mike Montieth fabricated the pulley on the generator, and I use the flywheel rim as the drive pulley. Works fine. My simple tensioning system with the generator mounted on a board with two hinges and a turnbuckle to tighten it has had to be repaired a couple of times, but I haven't gotten around to making anything "better." On Aug 11, 2004, at 11:44 AM, Steve Gray wrote: > Yeah, the serpentines seem to work out real well, plus they're > readily available. The one on the Myers pump is a perfect fit. The > only thing I had to do there was fabricate the small diameter pulley > on the motor. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Aug 11 16:32:31 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:32:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Message-ID: <20040811.163231.284.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Dave. Am I missing something here? You are talking about Fairbanks, and sending pictures of a Hercules. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:49:09 -0700 "Dave Ernst" writes: > Here's the pics > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31365971&f=0 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Ernst" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 3:17 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks > > > > No, there is no hint of anything used to fire this engine, not > even a bump > > on the cam gear. What I haven't seen before is the fresh air > intake is a > > 3/4" pipe about 14" long with an air regulator device on the end, > and > about > > midway > > a copper line tapped into the bottom that looks to be the gas > supply line > > and naturally no tank. > > A friend here seems to think this engine was perhaps oilfield > adapted to > run > > on natural gas or maybe butane. I don't know. > > I'll post some pics this afternoon for you to look at. > > Thanks > > Dave From nancydick at keyconn.net Wed Aug 11 20:33:50 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:33:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks In-Reply-To: <01be01c47ff5$69e1b050$6501a8c0@Shop> References: <01b801c47ff0$ee2f4390$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20040811193243.00b2faf0@mail.keyconn.net> DAVE you will never get it running with that small a hammer. [not enough threat] R Fink PA At 03:49 PM 8/11/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Here's the pics > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31365971&f=0 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dave Ernst" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 3:17 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks > > > > No, there is no hint of anything used to fire this engine, not even a bump > > on the cam gear. What I haven't seen before is the fresh air intake is a > > 3/4" pipe about 14" long with an air regulator device on the end, and >about > > midway > > a copper line tapped into the bottom that looks to be the gas supply line > > and naturally no tank. > > A friend here seems to think this engine was perhaps oilfield adapted to >run > > on natural gas or maybe butane. I don't know. > > I'll post some pics this afternoon for you to look at. > > Thanks > > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Grant Weir" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 1:54 PM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] Fairbanks > > > > > > > >From: "Dave Ernst" > > > >Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks > > > >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:14:46 -0700 > > > > > > > >What year is a Fairbanks Z, 3 hp with a serial number of 33,588? > > > >I just acquired it. It has an ignitor, but I don't see any provisions >for > > a > > > >mag. Would it be coil & battery operated? > > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > I have two of those engines. I looked them up and once and found >that > > FM > > > only made that engine from 1917-1919 so I guess that narrows it down a > > bit. > > > Both engines have ignitors, but one uses cam gear driven Sumter >magneto, > > > and the other uses an ignitor bracket mounted Plugoscillator magneto. > > > Yours sounds like the Plugoscillator style as those engines do not have > > > magneto mounting lugs cast into the base like the other style does. I > > think > > > those Plugoscillator mags must have been pretty crappy, because they >tend > > to > > > be hack-sawed off and tapped out for a spark plug more often than not. > > Does > > > yours have the obligatory farmer-added "hacksaw blade screwed to a chunk > > of > > > fir" spark coil contact off of the cam gear? :-) > > > > > > Here are some parts: > > > > > > http://www.hitnmiss.com/6.htm > > > > > > Grant Weir > > > Saskatoon, SK. > > > Canada > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From glenn.karch at gte.net Wed Aug 11 17:33:19 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:33:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks References: <01b801c47ff0$ee2f4390$6501a8c0@Shop> <01be01c47ff5$69e1b050$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <001801c48003$fa0b0560$36c9e641@oemcomputer> Dave, That is a Waterloo built engine - not FM. That pipe is part of the fuel mixer and it should hang down vertically. That on the end is the priming cup and choke fitting. That engine is battery and coil - no mag involved. It is missing the right angle check valcve and the right angle fuel adjusting valve. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks > Here's the pics > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31365971&f=0 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Ernst" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 3:17 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks > > > > No, there is no hint of anything used to fire this engine, not even a bump > > on the cam gear. What I haven't seen before is the fresh air intake is a > > 3/4" pipe about 14" long with an air regulator device on the end, and > about > > midway > > a copper line tapped into the bottom that looks to be the gas supply line > > and naturally no tank. > > A friend here seems to think this engine was perhaps oilfield adapted to > run > > on natural gas or maybe butane. I don't know. > > I'll post some pics this afternoon for you to look at. > > Thanks > > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Grant Weir" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 1:54 PM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] Fairbanks > > > > > > > >From: "Dave Ernst" > > > >Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks > > > >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:14:46 -0700 > > > > > > > >What year is a Fairbanks Z, 3 hp with a serial number of 33,588? > > > >I just acquired it. It has an ignitor, but I don't see any provisions > for > > a > > > >mag. Would it be coil & battery operated? > > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > I have two of those engines. I looked them up and once and found > that > > FM > > > only made that engine from 1917-1919 so I guess that narrows it down a > > bit. > > > Both engines have ignitors, but one uses cam gear driven Sumter > magneto, > > > and the other uses an ignitor bracket mounted Plugoscillator magneto. > > > Yours sounds like the Plugoscillator style as those engines do not have > > > magneto mounting lugs cast into the base like the other style does. I > > think > > > those Plugoscillator mags must have been pretty crappy, because they > tend > > to > > > be hack-sawed off and tapped out for a spark plug more often than not. > > Does > > > yours have the obligatory farmer-added "hacksaw blade screwed to a chunk > > of > > > fir" spark coil contact off of the cam gear? :-) > > > > > > Here are some parts: > > > > > > http://www.hitnmiss.com/6.htm > > > > > > Grant Weir > > > Saskatoon, SK. > > > Canada > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Vivas1993 at aol.com Wed Aug 11 17:55:47 2004 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:55:47 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Message-ID: <29.5eb13e71.2e4c1a13@aol.com> Hi Folks, The engine pictured was built by Waterloo engine Co., I'm not sure of the name it carried when sold. The long pipe with the cap on the end is the mixer, the gas line was hooked to the 1/4 " pipe. Hook a battery & low tension coil to the ignitor, that's all of the electrical connection needed. I doubt that it was run on propane, I have a 4hp & a 1 1/2hp Waterloo, they are built pretty much the same as your engine. Good luck on you engine ! Dwight From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 11 18:45:01 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:45:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Transportation Available Message-ID: <01f301c4800d$fe4bfee0$210110ac@VAIO> I am pulling a small 5' X 10' single axle trailer from Central Arkansas to Portland and if I can assist anyone in hauling something to Portland I would be glad to try and help. I already have a full load coming back so I cannot haul on the return trip. Just trying to return the favors shown to me by others. Paul From jbcast at charter.net Wed Aug 11 18:56:37 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 1:56:37 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron #3 Message-ID: <3a6eho$5pgkin@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> Tommy, beautiful work on the reproductions. I need a cylinder and head for a 2hp F-M T, was thinking about making a pattern for the cylinder. My idea was to use one core for the inside of the cylinder, then bore it and install a sleeve. This would eliminate the need to cast the water jacket, a much simpler casting and less chance for a blow out. Anyone have thoughts on this? J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From cuz904_99 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 11 19:36:39 2004 From: cuz904_99 at yahoo.com (John E. Hart) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Bryant in Indiana Message-ID: <20040812023639.23314.qmail@web50903.mail.yahoo.com> Can anyone let me know if Roy Bryant has an e-mail address. Thanks John E. Hart Mentone, IN. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Aug 11 21:07:54 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:07:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron #3 In-Reply-To: <3a6eho$5pgkin@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3a6eho$5pgkin@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <411AED1A.6050508@scrtc.com> JB, The biggest problem you would have would be holding the sleeve in place. If you were to bore it out enough to create a water jacket you would then have to create some sort of way to attach it. You could get creative and do a bunch of milling, etc. I have, from time to time, seen the T cylinders and parts floating around. You can tie up a bunch of $$ in patterns, casting, machining, etc. I think if you're willing to make this a long range project, you can find the parts you need. Thanks for the nice comments. TT jbcast at charter.net wrote: >Tommy, beautiful work on the reproductions. I need a cylinder and head for a 2hp F-M T, was thinking about making a pattern for the cylinder. My idea was to use one core for the inside of the cylinder, then bore it and install a sleeve. This would eliminate the need to cast the water jacket, a much simpler casting and less chance for a blow out. Anyone have thoughts on this? >J.B. Castagnos >Belle Rose, LA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Wed Aug 11 23:23:40 2004 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:23:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Mogul Ignitor? Message-ID: <002401c48034$ea624520$cb731dd3@fred> Hi, Am having trouble buying an Ignitor for a 1Hp Mogul, Ted Brooker can`t supply & Edd Payne has retired, can anyone help me? Need mine repaired, buy a new one or a secondhand one. Brian in Melbourne From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Thu Aug 12 00:38:04 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:38:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Mogul Ignitor? References: <002401c48034$ea624520$cb731dd3@fred> Message-ID: <000701c4803f$4e48b7e0$231131cb@oemcomputer> Brian.I can repair yours.I didn't realise you wanted it done that way.Please contact me of list or phone. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 4:23 Subject: [SEL] Mogul Ignitor? > Hi, > Am having trouble buying an Ignitor for a 1Hp Mogul, > Ted Brooker can`t supply & Edd Payne has retired, can anyone help me? > Need mine repaired, buy a new one or a secondhand one. > Brian in Melbourne > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Aug 12 01:53:15 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:53:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Message-ID: <002201c4804a$6a9b14a0$050d1bd3@athlon> Ok you lot, so maybe Helen, myself and a lot of others cannot get there this year. Well, I have just been sitting here going through files of past Portland pictures . Yup, I have a lump in my throat but, the happiest memories of times gone by, and scenes of the nicest folk I could ever wish to meet,have eased the urge to be over there. So, those who are not able to attend this year, Have a look through the photos of previous years. Its still magic! And, to those who have never been, You really dont know what you have missed. It leaves any "religious" thingy for dead!! Ok, outa here and back to the photos!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Aug 12 02:09:52 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:09:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Mogul Ignitor? References: <002401c48034$ea624520$cb731dd3@fred> Message-ID: <009001c4804c$240391a0$050d1bd3@athlon> If all else fails, get to me off list. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 4:23 PM Subject: [SEL] Mogul Ignitor? > Hi, > Am having trouble buying an Ignitor for a 1Hp Mogul, > Ted Brooker can`t supply & Edd Payne has retired, can anyone help me? > Need mine repaired, buy a new one or a secondhand one. > Brian in Melbourne > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Aug 12 06:08:40 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Imperial super diesel help wanted (fwd) Message-ID: Pete asked me to forward this to the SEL. If anyone can help, please contact him directly at plowe at ceinternet.com.au ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:59:35 +1000 From: Peter Lowe Hi all The engine I posted about last week I believe is a A.H. McDonald "Imperial Super Diesel" model "J" made between 1919 & 1925 and believed to be 10hp. The first model had a 6" bore x 9" stroke at 8hp and was upgraded to renewable cylinder of 61/2" bore and 9" stroke at 10hp @ 500 rpm. Does anyone in Oz know of anyone who has one of these, I would very much like to find another survivor before I decide whether this one survives again also. Needs a lot of work. Regards Peter Lowe From shop at cccomm.net Thu Aug 12 09:53:49 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:53:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks References: <29.5eb13e71.2e4c1a13@aol.com> Message-ID: <01d401c4808c$f0932b50$6501a8c0@Shop> Now this is getting more interesting all the time. The previous owner gave me the tag, which says it's a FM Z, 6 hp. Now that I look, I find no mounting holes... Does anyone have a picture or link I can go to and see one complete? Thanks very much for the info. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks > Hi Folks, > The engine pictured was built by Waterloo engine Co., I'm not sure of the > name it carried when sold. The long pipe with the cap on the end is the mixer, > the gas line was hooked to the 1/4 " pipe. Hook a battery & low tension coil to > the ignitor, that's all of the electrical connection needed. I doubt that it > was run on propane, I have a 4hp & a 1 1/2hp Waterloo, they are built pretty > much the same as your engine. > Good luck on you engine ! > Dwight > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Thu Aug 12 10:29:52 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks In-Reply-To: <01d401c4808c$f0932b50$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <20040812172952.57177.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> Dave Waterloo Built engines for many different companies. You should be able to locate a serial # on the ignitor side of the crankshaft. The tag on these engines are often missing, but were located on the off side (opposite the ignitor) base. You can see pics of my 2hp Majestic (simular hopper) at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/MyEngines/majestic2hp.htm A serial # list for Waterloo built engines is located at: http://www.majesticengine.com/serial.html If you can measure the bore, we should be able to determine the hp. Steve --- Dave Ernst wrote: > Now this is getting more interesting all the time. The previous owner > gave > me the tag, which says it's a FM Z, 6 hp. Now that I look, I find no > mounting holes... > Does anyone have a picture or link I can go to and see one complete? > Thanks very much for the info. > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks > > > > Hi Folks, > > The engine pictured was built by Waterloo engine Co., I'm not sure of > the > > name it carried when sold. The long pipe with the cap on the end is > the > mixer, > > the gas line was hooked to the 1/4 " pipe. Hook a battery & low > tension > coil to > > the ignitor, that's all of the electrical connection needed. I doubt > that > it > > was run on propane, I have a 4hp & a 1 1/2hp Waterloo, they are built > pretty > > much the same as your engine. > > Good luck on you engine ! > > Dwight > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mraasch at hickorytech.net Thu Aug 12 12:20:41 2004 From: mraasch at hickorytech.net (Marc Raasch) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:20:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Waterloo built engine Message-ID: <000c01c480a1$757f8d40$edff72d8@hickorytech.net> Hello list I was wanting to ask if any one had a year and serial list. Some one just posted a site with the serial numgers and year. Mine is a 4hp made for P J Dowing co. in Minneapolis Mn. Were any of these enginers fitted with a webster Mag. I hope to get mine ready for Lesuer. I'm getting a oversized piston for it and has to be bored. Time is running short. Pioneer Power show is last wk end in Aug. Marcus Raasch St Peter, Mn mraasch at hickorytech.net From stevebarr at ameritech.net Thu Aug 12 12:39:24 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Waterloo built engine In-Reply-To: <000c01c480a1$757f8d40$edff72d8@hickorytech.net> Message-ID: <20040812193924.47517.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Macus I have seen waterloo built engines with Webster and Bosch/Hercules magnetos. There are pics on my web page of them (check the auction list and show pictures). I think that ignitor were the ignition system of choice due to the additional cost for the magneto. You do seem to see mags on a lot more of the larger engines. Steve --- Marc Raasch wrote: Hello list I was wanting to ask if any one had a year and serial list. Some one just posted a site with the serial numgers and year. Mine is a 4hp made for P J Dowing co. in Minneapolis Mn. Were any of these enginers fitted with a webster Mag. I hope to get mine ready for Lesuer. I'm getting a oversized piston for it and has to be bored. Time is running short. Pioneer Power show is last wk end in Aug. Marcus Raasch St Peter, Mn mraasch at hickorytech.net ===== ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Aug 12 14:22:56 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:22:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 5 hp Galloway Cylinder Oiler Message-ID: Howdy all; Sawrig is coming along fine with some more pinstriping added today. Just curious if anyone can ID this cylinder oiler? The one on it now is flat topped with no ID. This one shown has a high crown top. Mine will work but I have to move the hopper just a little. http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/138616381AmaPJX Thanks much!! RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From b.jwalker at shaw.ca Thu Aug 12 18:18:10 2004 From: b.jwalker at shaw.ca (Bob & Joanne) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:18:10 -0600 (Mountain Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] serial number Dave Message-ID: <411C16D2.000008.95143@HPPAV> 289163 to 361036 are 1918. Hope this helps. Bob From jhcullom at adelphia.net Thu Aug 12 18:34:26 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:34:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Monmouth? Message-ID: <02a001c480d5$ab67c330$6401a8c0@john> Hi fellas, Take a look at this engine - http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/Monmouth.jpg , it's a Galloway/Waterloo style engine but it has a rounded hopper, much more rounded then the regular Galloway masterpiece style. A Monmouth maybe? Thanks, John From jbcast at charter.net Thu Aug 12 19:32:01 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 2:32:01 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron #3 Message-ID: <391ph9$5tsl6a@mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net> > JB, > > The biggest problem you would have would be holding the sleeve in > place. If you were to bore it out enough to create a water jacket you > would then have to create some sort of way to attach it. You could get > creative and do a bunch of milling, etc. I have, from time to time, > seen the T cylinders and parts floating around. You can tie up a bunch > of $$ in patterns, casting, machining, etc. I think if you're willing > to make this a long range project, you can find the parts you need. > Thanks for the nice comments. > Tommy, I have two running T's and an extra base missing the cylinder and head. This is just a project I wanted to try. I would make the core with a small neck on each side, this would form the water jacket and the necked down part would leave an area to be bored to hold the sleeve, it would be a wet sleeve. In my racing days I repaired several blocks that lost a piston and beat the cylinder out. I just bored the top and bottom of the remaining cylinder, left a step at the bottom to capture the sleeve. The head secured the top. I can do the machine work myself, have done some pattern making, and have an old pattern maker friend that still works part time at the foundry. If I get it done before he retires I can get it poured free. The T cylinder mounts on the bottom flange, easier machining than your engine, less to align. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Aug 12 20:39:31 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:39:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron #3 In-Reply-To: <391ph9$5tsl6a@mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <391ph9$5tsl6a@mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <411C37F3.5090500@scrtc.com> JB, That would work. You would have to make some sort of arrangement for the oiler to pass through the water jacket area to reach the internal cylinder wall. I can't remember but think the T ignitor mounts in the cylinder not the head so an arrangement would have to made for it to pass through the water jacket as well. It can be done, just some work. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY jbcast at charter.net wrote: >>JB, >> >> The biggest problem you would have would be holding the sleeve in >>place. If you were to bore it out enough to create a water jacket you >>would then have to create some sort of way to attach it. You could get >>creative and do a bunch of milling, etc. I have, from time to time, >>seen the T cylinders and parts floating around. You can tie up a bunch >>of $$ in patterns, casting, machining, etc. I think if you're willing >>to make this a long range project, you can find the parts you need. >>Thanks for the nice comments. >> >> >> >Tommy, I have two running T's and an extra base missing the cylinder and head. This is just a project I wanted to try. I would make the core with a small neck on each side, this would form the water jacket and the necked down part would leave an area to be bored to hold the sleeve, it would be a wet sleeve. In my racing days I repaired several blocks that lost a piston and beat the cylinder out. I just bored the top and bottom of the remaining cylinder, left a step at the bottom to capture the sleeve. The head secured the top. I can do the machine work myself, have done some pattern making, and have an old pattern maker friend that still works part time at the foundry. If I get it done before he retires I can get it poured free. The T cylinder mounts on the bottom flange, easier machining than your engine, less to align. >J.B. Castagnos >Belle Rose, LA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Aug 12 21:20:51 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:20:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Curious about feedback Message-ID: <001901c480ec$eb5463b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, The last couple of nights have been interesting and rewarding for me. Seems once a month I get an e-mail about the Maytag restoration, and tonight I got one on the Montgomery Ward info I am putting online. It seems what I put online is seen by some and they take the time to mail me. Makes it all worth the time for me. Anyone else getting great feedback on a website? Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 13 00:06:19 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:06:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 5 hp Galloway Cylinder Oiler Message-ID: Hi Richard, it could be an essex they look very similar to the one on the galloway. Dave in oz >From: "Richard Strobel" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] 5 hp Galloway Cylinder Oiler >Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:22:56 -0600 > > Howdy all; Sawrig is coming along fine with some more pinstriping >added >today. Just curious if anyone can ID this cylinder oiler? The one on it >now is flat topped with no ID. This one shown has a high crown top. Mine >will work but I have to move the hopper just a little. >http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/138616381AmaPJX > > Thanks much!! > >RickinMt. >http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Feeling spent? Apply here for emergency plastic surgery: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;9577691;9687279;r?http://www.promo.com.au/virgincreditcard/plasticsurgery/track.cfm?source=P08 From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Aug 13 04:23:04 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 07:23:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Curious about feedback In-Reply-To: <001901c480ec$eb5463b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> References: <001901c480ec$eb5463b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <248887FE-ED1B-11D8-B718-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > It seems what I put online is seen by some and they take the time to > mail me. Makes it all worth the time for me. Anyone else getting great > feedback on a website? I get E-mailed about Web stuff all the time, especially about the page on Dolly the Listeroid, whose page I haven't updated in about 4 1/2 years. I've got to get one of those round tuits one of these days! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From burnoil at hotmail.com Fri Aug 13 05:06:43 2004 From: burnoil at hotmail.com (Burnoil) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:06:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Webster Mag Date References: <20040810054525.5987.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com> <002401c47ed4$3d188480$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: hi ted could you get me two coils for webster mags two k and two model L thanks for your time DENNIS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Brookover" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Webster Mag Date > Hi Joe, good questions, unfortunately the answers are somewhat suspect. > > The best information available is in Doc Schuster's book, "The Webster > System", where he states that Emil Podlesak was the superintendent of the > Webster Electric Co. prior to 1913 while the company was located in Tiffin, > OH. > > Dr. Schuster also states that the move to Racine was brought about by an > eviction and a flood in Ohio, in 1913. > > These two pieces of information are interesting, unfortunately in the next > paragraph or two he gives the impression that, 1. the change to Horseshoe > Magnets (AKA the birth of the Tri-Polar) came in or after 1913 and, 2. that > the brass frames were used till the WW I era (1914 to 1918 depending on your > location), since both of these have long since been shown to be false by > evidence from the period, I am forced to be suspect of the first two. > > First evidence of the Tri-Polar as I have said, shows up in magazines of > late 1911 and it has been my experience that brass frames were abandoned for > die cast Zinc sometime prior to 1914, as evidenced by picture in these same > magazines. Someone that has seen as many Websters as I have can spot the > Brass frames from the Zinc frames by the shape of the casting. > > PS, thanks for the kind words from you and everyone else on the list. > > > Ted Brookover > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > 816-763-3142 > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Prindle" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 12:45 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Webster Mag Date > > > > Hi Ted, > > I hope you are on the mend and up and around again soon. You have been > > pretty quiet lately, which is understandable, and I have missed your wit > > and wisdom. > > So, great magneto guru, let me ask you a few questions: > > About when did Webster move to Racine from Tiffin, Ohio? Any idea how > > come? Who was Podelsak and what were his patents? > > Those are questions I have always wondered about but never knew the > > answers to. If anyone knows, it's you. I love webster mags, they are > > pretty darned reliable and they are a good looking piece of engineering. > > Thanks, and take care! > > Joe > > --- Ted Brookover wrote: > > > Actually 1911 is more like it, bass framed ones were advertized in Gas > > > Power > > > in mid to late 1911 > > > > > > > > > ===== > > Joe Prindle > > Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist > > See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: > > www.tznet.com/jprindle > > Our Club: > > www.badgersteamandgas.com > > See Yoo in Baraboo! > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 13 15:41:47 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:41:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Webster Mag Date References: <20040810054525.5987.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com><002401c47ed4$3d188480$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <002d01c48186$b8361790$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Hi Dennis, I'm sorry but I am not a parts dealer, I suggest you contact one of these guys. Magneto Parts Bill Lopoulos 29 Chard Rd Tyngsboro, MA 01879 978-649-7879 email: blopoulos at aol.com http://www.magnetoparts.com Marks Magneto Service 395 South Burnham Hwy. Lisbon,06351,CT. 860-887-1094 Mitch Malcolm mitchmalcolm at hotmail.com RR1 Box. 564B Otertail,56571,MN. 218-367-2819 Hit & Miss Enterprises 4462 Montgomery Road Orwell, OH 44076 (440)272-5335 day or (440)272-5333 eve sales at hitnmiss.com sales at hitnmiss.com Lee W. Pedersen 78 Taft Ave. Lynbrook, NY 11563 http://enginads.com/pedersen/index.html Starbolt Engine Supplies 3403 Buckeystown Pk. Adamstown, MD 21710 (301)874-2821 8:30AM to 4:30PM (301)694-2821 5:00PM to 9:00PM Email: Starbolt4uaol.com Web Site: http://www.enginads.com/starbolt/ Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burnoil" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Webster Mag Date > hi ted could you get me two coils for webster mags two k and two model L > thanks for your time DENNIS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ted Brookover" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:19 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Webster Mag Date > > > > Hi Joe, good questions, unfortunately the answers are somewhat suspect. > > > > The best information available is in Doc Schuster's book, "The Webster > > System", where he states that Emil Podlesak was the superintendent of the > > Webster Electric Co. prior to 1913 while the company was located in > Tiffin, > > OH. > > > > Dr. Schuster also states that the move to Racine was brought about by an > > eviction and a flood in Ohio, in 1913. > > > > These two pieces of information are interesting, unfortunately in the next > > paragraph or two he gives the impression that, 1. the change to Horseshoe > > Magnets (AKA the birth of the Tri-Polar) came in or after 1913 and, 2. > that > > the brass frames were used till the WW I era (1914 to 1918 depending on > your > > location), since both of these have long since been shown to be false by > > evidence from the period, I am forced to be suspect of the first two. > > > > First evidence of the Tri-Polar as I have said, shows up in magazines of > > late 1911 and it has been my experience that brass frames were abandoned > for > > die cast Zinc sometime prior to 1914, as evidenced by picture in these > same > > magazines. Someone that has seen as many Websters as I have can spot the > > Brass frames from the Zinc frames by the shape of the casting. > > > > PS, thanks for the kind words from you and everyone else on the list. > > > > > > Ted Brookover > > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > > 816-763-3142 > > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > > Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > > > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joe Prindle" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 12:45 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Webster Mag Date > > > > > > > Hi Ted, > > > I hope you are on the mend and up and around again soon. You have been > > > pretty quiet lately, which is understandable, and I have missed your wit > > > and wisdom. > > > So, great magneto guru, let me ask you a few questions: > > > About when did Webster move to Racine from Tiffin, Ohio? Any idea how > > > come? Who was Podelsak and what were his patents? > > > Those are questions I have always wondered about but never knew the > > > answers to. If anyone knows, it's you. I love webster mags, they are > > > pretty darned reliable and they are a good looking piece of engineering. > > > Thanks, and take care! > > > Joe > > > --- Ted Brookover wrote: > > > > Actually 1911 is more like it, bass framed ones were advertized in Gas > > > > Power > > > > in mid to late 1911 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > Joe Prindle > > > Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist > > > See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: > > > www.tznet.com/jprindle > > > Our Club: > > > www.badgersteamandgas.com > > > See Yoo in Baraboo! > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BetCleve321 at aol.com Fri Aug 13 14:47:14 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:47:14 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re: Curious about feedback Message-ID: <1da.28d12fea.2e4e90e2@aol.com> Since you are talking about web sites, go here to help me get my site on the web crawler. www.wizbangtools.com We will be adding some stuff to,it later. Skip & Betty Cleveland From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 13 16:28:53 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:28:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. South African Needs Help on Parts Message-ID: <001c01c4818d$4dd764b0$210110ac@VAIO> Folks I received the following request from one of our engine friends in South Africa: From: Pinto's To: service at galaxieparts.com Cc: pinto at lando.co.za Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 10:26 AM Subject: 1962 ford galaxie I,ve got 1962 Ford Galaxie 500 4-door and would like to know if you have any exterior sidemoldings alongside the car available(as highlighted in attachment), originally made of alliminium. I will apreciate a picture or photo many thanx WILLEM from Robertson in South Africa Here is the picture he sent with his letter which shows the moldings he needs to complete the restoration of his car. http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=174741998 His e-mail address is pinto at lando.co.za If anyone has any of the parts or know where he can get them please send him an e-mail and help him out. Thanks From BillMil357 at aol.com Fri Aug 13 17:21:22 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:21:22 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. South African Needs Help on Parts Message-ID: <30.5dd09478.2e4eb502@aol.com> Hi Paul; I could not get on your Webshots page-it said an error had occurred and I was not the owner of this album. See ya, Bill Miller. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 13 17:24:22 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:24:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Garden Tractor Info Needed Message-ID: <006001c48195$0eee8780$210110ac@VAIO> Does anyone have any information on an old 1937 Standard Twin Garden Tractor? Sure would like to correspond with anyone who has one, has any info, or know of anyone that does. Thanks From alanb2 at webtv.net Fri Aug 13 17:38:23 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:38:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. South African Needs Help on Parts In-Reply-To: 's message of Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:28:53 -0500 Message-ID: <21274-411D5EFF-376@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net> Hey Paul, I get a message that says I am not the owner of the page or something like that and invites me to use my BACK button to correct the situation,,,,, In other words,,,, GET OUT OF HERE!! 8>)) Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From ottawa at pa.net Fri Aug 13 19:20:59 2004 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:20:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. South African Needs Help on Parts References: <001c01c4818d$4dd764b0$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <007d01c481a5$570f6470$eef1cd97@HONDESKTOP> Here is the address for the Webshot photo of the trim needed: http://community.webshots.com/photo/174741998/174742211DjCSZC Helen George L. & Helen S. Myers The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Tel 717-536-3711 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 http://community.webshots.com/user/doitnowo ----- Original Message ----- From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net To: Stationary Engine List Cc: Pinto's Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 7:28 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. South African Needs Help on Parts Folks I received the following request from one of our engine friends in South Africa: From: Pinto's To: service at galaxieparts.com Cc: pinto at lando.co.za Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 10:26 AM Subject: 1962 ford galaxie I,ve got 1962 Ford Galaxie 500 4-door and would like to know if you have any exterior sidemoldings alongside the car available(as highlighted in attachment), originally made of alliminium. I will apreciate a picture or photo many thanx WILLEM from Robertson in South Africa Here is the picture he sent with his letter which shows the moldings he needs to complete the restoration of his car. http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=174741998 His e-mail address is pinto at lando.co.za If anyone has any of the parts or know where he can get them please send him an e-mail and help him out. Thanks _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 13 19:25:33 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:25:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. South African Needs Help on Parts References: <21274-411D5EFF-376@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <00d101c481a5$fccb5ef0$210110ac@VAIO> Alan try this and look at the first album: http://community.webshots.com/user/wheelterrapin Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. South African Needs Help on Parts > Hey Paul, > I get a message that says I am not the owner of the page or something > like that and invites me to use my BACK button to correct the > situation,,,,, In other words,,,, > GET OUT OF HERE!! 8>)) > > Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net > Williamsburg, Michigan > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bercar at shenhgts.net Fri Aug 13 19:40:52 2004 From: bercar at shenhgts.net (Bernie) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:40:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Garden Tractor Info Needed In-Reply-To: <006001c48195$0eee8780$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: i have one.. what do you need to know Bernie -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 8:24 PM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Garden Tractor Info Needed Does anyone have any information on an old 1937 Standard Twin Garden Tractor? Sure would like to correspond with anyone who has one, has any info, or know of anyone that does. Thanks _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Aug 13 20:43:12 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:43:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New tractor nut Message-ID: <001401c481b0$d3c46ff0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Came to me and thought maybe someone could help him out. ***** I'm very new to antique tractors and engines and don't know where to begin. I am interested in finding info on the Indiana tractor built in Anderson Indiana. I saw two at the Indiana State Fair yesterday and I think that they may be what I have been looking for. I've been looking for workable antique farm equipment with a local interest. I have a small farm about 20 minutes from Anderson. Can you point me towards resources for learning about and possibly buying an Indiana tractor? **** Contact him at: Christopher J Chambers E-mail Address(es): CHAMBERS_CHRISTOPHER_J at LILLY.COM I did point him to the ATIS antique tractor list, but if you know of a club or group in the area it sure would help out. A tractor belted up is a stationary engine. :-) Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From BillMil357 at aol.com Fri Aug 13 20:51:59 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:51:59 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. South African Needs Help on Parts Message-ID: <1e9.27863c11.2e4ee65f@aol.com> Paul; I was able to get on your Webshots with this link http://community.webshots.com/user/wheelterrapin Thanks, Bill Miller. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 13 22:00:35 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:00:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. South African Needs Help on Parts References: <1e9.27863c11.2e4ee65f@aol.com> Message-ID: <011d01c481bb$a433eb70$210110ac@VAIO> Good Bill, I have written Webshots a letter to find out what is going on. Thanks for the help. I hope someone can help the man in South Africa find his Ford Galaxie parts. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. South African Needs Help on Parts > Paul; > > I was able to get on your Webshots with this link > > http://community.webshots.com/user/wheelterrapin > > Thanks, > > Bill Miller. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Aug 14 03:44:29 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 10:44:29 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Stover AC/DURO engine info wanted Message-ID: <081420041044.28286.7d06@mchsi.com> Looking for some help on a Stover AC 1/2hp (DURO) engine. Need info and missing parts. thankyou in advance, Curt Andree From yostsw at atis.net Sat Aug 14 08:46:21 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:46:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Sandwich Engine Age References: Message-ID: <200408141146210140.0547F755@heavyiron.atis.net> Can someone help this fellow out? He is NOT on the list so use his email: cfooter at earthlink.net Spencer *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** On 8/13/2004 at 6:12 PM carole footer wrote: >I have been trying to find out the year of manufacture of my Sandwich 6 hp >engine. The serial # is D25669. Can you point me in the direction to get >some help with this? >Any help in my search would be appreciated. >Bill Footer >PO Box 674 >Merrimack, NH 30354 *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** From oldengin at udata.com Sat Aug 14 12:58:13 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:58:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland, Reg just delelte! In-Reply-To: <1da.28d12fea.2e4e90e2@aol.com> References: <1da.28d12fea.2e4e90e2@aol.com> Message-ID: <411E6ED5.5000506@udata.com> Well the promised land has a campin area.... Enough for about 15 of us, hope this is correct. I will travel over this Tue., but will be back until this Thur. THEN........................................................................... man it is sure quite and bore there now NOT! -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 14 14:54:54 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:54:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor Message-ID: <008701c48249$575d91f0$210110ac@VAIO> Someone let me know if the Webshots address below works or not: http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=175063368 Paul From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 14 15:12:48 2004 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor In-Reply-To: <008701c48249$575d91f0$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <20040814221248.28657.qmail@web14107.mail.yahoo.com> Nope it don't work. ERROR. You do not appear to be the owner of this website. Suspect you are using the site address where you sign in. There has to be another one for viewing. Ron paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: Someone let me know if the Webshots address below works or not: http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=175063368 Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! From art at etsnj.com Sat Aug 14 15:14:33 2004 From: art at etsnj.com (Art Oswald) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:14:33 -0400 Subject: [SPAM] [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor In-Reply-To: <008701c48249$575d91f0$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <000001c4824c$17524710$1202a8c0@artb0y712ywxp8> I got an error message that I was not the owner of the account. You have to make your album public. Art -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 5:55 PM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SPAM] [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor Someone let me know if the Webshots address below works or not: http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&alb umID=175063368 Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BetCleve321 at aol.com Sat Aug 14 15:25:56 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:25:56 EDT Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor Message-ID: <59.13262cf0.2e4feb74@aol.com> In a message dated 8/14/2004 6:02:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=1 75063368 NO From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Aug 14 15:37:42 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:37:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor References: <008701c48249$575d91f0$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <000901c4824f$509c8a00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Nope and sure getting tired of it. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 3:54 PM Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor > Someone let me know if the Webshots address below works or not: > > http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=175063368 > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 14 17:02:59 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:02:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor References: <20040814221248.28657.qmail@web14107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002301c4825b$3c726020$210110ac@VAIO> Ron, I just converted from my old dial up service to DSL and I now have a new E-mail address, do you think this is causing the problem? If so how do I correct it? I am fed up to trying to use this. Sorry to all of you for the trouble. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor > Nope it don't work. > ERROR. You do not appear to be the owner of this website. > Suspect you are using the site address where you sign in. There has to be another one for viewing. > Ron > > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > Someone let me know if the Webshots address below works or not: > > http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=175063368 > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 14 17:11:54 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:11:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor (New Address) References: <008701c48249$575d91f0$210110ac@VAIO> <000901c4824f$509c8a00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <003b01c4825c$7ae533e0$210110ac@VAIO> Jeff try this one until I get this figured out, I am VERY FRUSTRATED right now. http://community.webshots.com/album/175063368bSQkSh Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor > Nope and sure getting tired of it. > > Jeff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Stationary Engine List" > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 3:54 PM > Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor > > > > Someone let me know if the Webshots address below works or not: > > > > > http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=175063368 > > > > Paul > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From marvhed at ecenet.com Sat Aug 14 17:47:54 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (marv) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:47:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor (New Address) References: <008701c48249$575d91f0$210110ac@VAIO><000901c4824f$509c8a00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <003b01c4825c$7ae533e0$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <003301c48261$80efe320$6ad63d40@dell14> thw link worked fine for me! marv in minn ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor (New Address) Jeff try this one until I get this figured out, I am VERY FRUSTRATED right now. http://community.webshots.com/album/175063368bSQkSh Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 14 17:51:06 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:51:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor (New Address) References: <008701c48249$575d91f0$210110ac@VAIO><000901c4824f$509c8a00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221><003b01c4825c$7ae533e0$210110ac@VAIO> <003301c48261$80efe320$6ad63d40@dell14> Message-ID: <007101c48261$f5467310$210110ac@VAIO> Thanks Marv. My good friend Bill Miller in Memphis worked out this address for me. I am still trying to figure out why I cannot do it like I use to. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "marv" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor (New Address) > thw link worked fine for me! > marv in minn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 7:11 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor (New Address) > > > Jeff try this one until I get this figured out, I am VERY FRUSTRATED right > now. > > http://community.webshots.com/album/175063368bSQkSh > From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Aug 15 03:30:38 2004 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 20:30:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Bosch 32 maggi forsale Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040815202814.00b66358@mail.ncable.com.au> Hi listee's I have a good working bosch 32 low tension magneto Im selling. Non original magnets but hard to tell. works fine. I ran it on my Hornsby for quite some time. Genuine inquiries, ..... $600 ozzie Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From jfaust at mfi.net Sun Aug 15 03:38:50 2004 From: jfaust at mfi.net (Joe Faust) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 06:38:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Alpha gas tank Message-ID: <005501c482b4$0dc2a240$37cc7d41@jfaust> Hi everyone, I am looking for a gas tank for an Alpha DeLaval 1.5. I'm new to this "old" stuff. I'm running this engine off a plastic tank right now, but I know this is not right. Thanks Joe Faust jfaust at mfi.net From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 15 04:04:05 2004 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 04:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor In-Reply-To: <002301c4825b$3c726020$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <20040815110405.42267.qmail@web14104.mail.yahoo.com> Aint these machines just wonderful? Ron paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:Ron, I just converted from my old dial up service to DSL and I now have a new E-mail address, do you think this is causing the problem? If so how do I correct it? I am fed up to trying to use this. Sorry to all of you for the trouble. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor > Nope it don't work. > ERROR. You do not appear to be the owner of this website. > Suspect you are using the site address where you sign in. There has to be another one for viewing. > Ron > > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > Someone let me know if the Webshots address below works or not: > > http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=175063368 > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Aug 15 06:01:04 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:01:04 EDT Subject: [SEL] Alan King Publications Message-ID: <1cf.28a0b309.2e50b890@aol.com> Hi List, Did Alan King publish more than eight (8) volumes of his "Gasoline Engines" booklets? Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From kd5byb at earthlink.net Sun Aug 15 11:07:34 2004 From: kd5byb at earthlink.net (Benjamin D. Hall) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 13:07:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fuel tank sealer for diesel engines? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20040815202814.00b66358@mail.ncable.com.au> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20040815202814.00b66358@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040815130549.01bee200@pop.earthlink.net> Hey all, Two questions. Father-in-law just purchased a military surplus diesel generator. Runs excellent, but the fuel tank has many pinhole leaks from rust-through. 1) Is there a fuel tank sealer rated for diesel fuel? 2) How do you remove all the diesel from the tank so that the sealer can adhere? thanks, ben --- From the computer of Benjamin D. Hall, kd5byb at earthlink.net. Northern Alabama, USA. From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Aug 15 12:55:23 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 20:55:23 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fuel tank sealer for diesel engines? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040815130549.01bee200@pop.earthlink.net> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20040815202814.00b66358@mail.ncable.com.au> <6.1.2.0.0.20040815130549.01bee200@pop.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9qfvh0pseqnp2kautmttmourcbku2tkb3m@4ax.com> On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 13:07:34 -0500, you wrote: >Hey all, > >Two questions. Father-in-law just purchased a military surplus diesel >generator. Runs excellent, but the fuel tank has many pinhole leaks from >rust-through. > >1) Is there a fuel tank sealer rated for diesel fuel? >2) How do you remove all the diesel from the tank so that the sealer can >adhere? > >thanks, >ben Hi Ben: To remove the diesel, wash out thoroughly with petrol or kero and leave to dry in the sun for a couple of days. There is residual oil in diesel fuel but a good wash and dry will take it out. Regarding the sealer, there are plenty of proprietary products around, but we are in the UK so I cannot recommend anything over your side. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Aug 15 13:30:16 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:30:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Yardbirds, Portland & Thieves Message-ID: As you know, I decided to cancel the Portland show trip for myself, Jennifer and Josh, since we just bought and fixed up a house. But I'd already phoned and ordered some of the "yard birds" and other sculptures made from scrap iron by James E. Carter of "Carter's Creations," who displays his wares in the big vendor building at Portland. So I arranged with him to drive up and meet him at his shop yesterday and brought home some really nice pieces he'd made. Got a great big pink flamingo, two medium size flamingoes, two turkeys, and some new pieces he's introduced since last year, a big blue heron, a road runner, an ostrich, and a buzzard. (The last one I call "Darth Vulture," as he really reminds me of the Star Wars bad guy.) I'd also asked him to make me a purple flower with faucet handles for blossoms, which I'd admired in the past but he hadn't had for the last few years. Turns out he'd quit making them because he'd about run out of the faucet handles, but he made up three sets with the last he had. Mr. Carter's retired from a Chrysler plant in Muncie, which was erected in 1906 as the Maxwell automobile factory. These handles were from that building's plumbing shutoff valves. They were a type common through the 1930s, but could go back to the original Maxwell plant. He's got another flower to sell, but plans to keep the last one since he worked there. (He made another flower set with newer handles that look like "atoms.") I also picked up one little item, a bright green salamander made from a spud wrench. He said he'd had that out on the table at a show when a big, humorless old man growled at him "You ruined a good spud wrench." Mr. Carter said "You must be a steel man." He said "I reckon I AM!," pulling open his collar to show a small gold plated spud wrench on a chain. Apparently when construction steel workers retire they get one of those instead of a watch like Mr. Carter got from Chrysler. He has lots of other neat creations, including a brand new pig he hasn't finished. Mr. Carter's home is in very easy driving distance of Portland. If I hadn't been in a hurry to get back home I'd've cruised over there to see who was already there. Which brings me to why he's stopped handing out business cards at Portland: There are con men/burglars cruising the shows, asking for cards and inquiring about people's business. They'd ask questions to reveal the type of equipment one has in his shop, like "How'd you cut this piece out?" (Plasma cutter.) "How many days you gonna be working this show?" "If I need to get in touch with you, is someone home to answer the phone?" Then, after establishing that the vendor's got valuable, portable stuff, nobody's home, and it's in easy driving distance, they go take what they want. Portland vendors and exhibitors, beware. The bad guys are there, and seem like normal friendly, curious show visitors. I had a nice drive up and back. Tried a new route over the Kentucky mountains that I'd previously avoided, thinking it'd be a difficult drive, but I actually like it better. I only put on 798 miles for the whole trip, where it would've been 1000 with my earlier routes, and although a good bit's two-lane I still made good time. Since I hauled this stuff off a week and a half before the Portland show starts, he'll have time to paint up some "critters" from stock he's already welded and take them along in the space my stuff would've taken up, so he'll have a good selection. Go check him out in the big white building! HIs wife also sells neat paintings of farm scenes on old saw blades, golf scenes on old club heads and such, in the next booth. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From lfevans at pacbell.net Sun Aug 15 14:54:47 2004 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 14:54:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Alan King Publications In-Reply-To: <1cf.28a0b309.2e50b890@aol.com> References: <1cf.28a0b309.2e50b890@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040815140833.04583c70@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Francis, In the preface to volume 8 he states it is the last one in the series and it has a copyright date of 1983. In 1994 he published two more books with the titles of "Gasoline Engines 1884-1934" and "Gasoline Engines 1919-1962." These two books are similar to the first eight in that they consist of page after page of reprints of early advertising. The emphasis of the 1919-1962 book is primarily the smaller air cooled engines such as Briggs & Stratton, Clinton, Kohler, etc. Larry At 06:01 AM 8/15/2004, you wrote: >Hi List, >Did Alan King publish more than eight (8) volumes of his "Gasoline Engines" >booklets? > > >Francis Maciel >Santa Maria, California >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Aug 15 15:20:05 2004 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:20:05 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Publications on Tangye Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040816081818.02333620@mail.ncable.com.au> G'day all, does anyone know of any publications about Tangye engines?? I would love to know/learn more about them. History, different models and what years etc????? Any help would be most appreciated Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Aug 15 15:19:11 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:19:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Bosch 32 maggi forsale References: <5.2.0.9.2.20040815202814.00b66358@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <007b01c4832b$2b63a700$940d1bd3@athlon> What are you smoking Russ? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 8:30 PM Subject: [SEL] Bosch 32 maggi forsale > Hi listee's > I have a good working bosch 32 low tension magneto Im selling. Non original > magnets but hard to tell. works fine. I ran it on my Hornsby for quite some > time. Genuine inquiries, ..... $600 ozzie > Russell > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ottawa at pa.net Sun Aug 15 18:41:20 2004 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:41:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Flywheeler Park Message-ID: <00c901c48332$21cef030$8df1cd97@HONDESKTOP> There is a short message on SmokStak regarding the hurricane damage at the Flywheeler's Park at Avon Park, Florida. Apparently the damage was very extensive. Read it yourself. I do not want to copy someone elses message. Helen George L. & Helen S. Myers The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Tel 717-536-3711 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 http://community.webshots.com/user/doitnowo From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Aug 15 19:59:17 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 19:59:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Flywheeler Park Message-ID: <20040815.195917.1080.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Helen. I just went there and couldn't find it mentioned. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:41:20 -0400 "George/Helen Myers" writes: > There is a short message on SmokStak regarding the hurricane damage > at the Flywheeler's Park at Avon Park, Florida. Apparently the > damage was very extensive. Read it yourself. I do not want to copy > someone elses message. > > > Helen > George L. & Helen S. Myers > The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net > Tel 717-536-3711 > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 > http://community.webshots.com/user/doitnowo From diesel at easynet.co.uk Mon Aug 16 00:29:34 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:29:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Collection - Gilbertsville, NY - Mission Accomplished! In-Reply-To: <1hc9g09blp2bbk54dhhkd8jbgdmanrunmm@4ax.com> References: <1hc9g09blp2bbk54dhhkd8jbgdmanrunmm@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:37:50 +0100, you wrote: >Is there anyone in the Gilbertsville, NY area that could collect a couple of >Homelite gennies for us and hold them for a while? Thes are the two-stroke >models with 120V 400Hz AC alternators on. Following my request for help, Stev Williams has very kindly offered assistance (as did a few others, thanks guys!) and last weekend he travelled over and collected the units for us. Happily, it turns out that the vendor had a few other goodies that Steve was interested in, so he may be going back for another look :-)) Thanks to Steve for his timely assistance, and to the other guys who offered help, much appreciated. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Mon Aug 16 00:29:34 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:29:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Collection - Gilbertsville, NY - Mission Accomplished! In-Reply-To: <1hc9g09blp2bbk54dhhkd8jbgdmanrunmm@4ax.com> References: <1hc9g09blp2bbk54dhhkd8jbgdmanrunmm@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:37:50 +0100, you wrote: >Is there anyone in the Gilbertsville, NY area that could collect a couple of >Homelite gennies for us and hold them for a while? Thes are the two-stroke >models with 120V 400Hz AC alternators on. Following my request for help, Stev Williams has very kindly offered assistance (as did a few others, thanks guys!) and last weekend he travelled over and collected the units for us. Happily, it turns out that the vendor had a few other goodies that Steve was interested in, so he may be going back for another look :-)) Thanks to Steve for his timely assistance, and to the other guys who offered help, much appreciated. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From ottawa at pa.net Mon Aug 16 01:27:05 2004 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 04:27:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Flywheeler Park References: <20040815.195917.1080.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <000e01c4836a$d0ec0fc0$79f0cd97@HONDESKTOP> Subject is "Flywheel Park", currently at the bottom of my first page. Thread was started on Sat, August 14th.....Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: rdhaskell at juno.com To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Flywheeler Park Hi Helen. I just went there and couldn't find it mentioned. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:41:20 -0400 "George/Helen Myers" writes: > There is a short message on SmokStak regarding the hurricane damage > at the Flywheeler's Park at Avon Park, Florida. Apparently the > damage was very extensive. Read it yourself. I do not want to copy > someone elses message. > > > Helen > George L. & Helen S. Myers > The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net > Tel 717-536-3711 > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 > http://community.webshots.com/user/doitnowo _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Aug 16 03:11:16 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:11:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] First Ever SEL Eng. site at Baraboo roped off Message-ID: <081620041011.3344.b30@mchsi.com> Spent the day helping the club rope off gas engine alley and we have are very first ever own area roped off. Very easy access for unloading/loading by truck and trailer,close to food and water,flea market area, relatively flat ground, plenty of shade trees and lots of room for extra folks so bring an engine or two or just stop on by to visit. If you have any questions or need help drop me a line or call. Phone: 815-868-2457 work/home Curt Andree From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Aug 16 03:25:09 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 06:25:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] First Ever SEL Eng. site at Baraboo roped off References: <081620041011.3344.b30@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <049901c4837b$4eca3fb0$0400a8c0@Dave> > Spent the day helping the club rope off gas engine alley and we have are very > first ever own area roped off. Very easy access for unloading/loading by > truck and trailer,close to food and water,flea market area, relatively flat > ground, plenty of shade trees and lots of room for extra folks so bring an > engine or two or just stop on by to visit. > If you have any questions or need help drop me a line or call. > Phone: 815-868-2457 work/home > Curt Andree Hi Curt, Arnie and I should get there Thursday evening. I'll have the ATIS banner with me! Dave From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Aug 16 03:55:21 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:55:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] First Ever SEL Eng. site at Baraboo roped off Message-ID: <081620041055.10656.62df@mchsi.com> Hi Dave, Sounds great, was wondering about the banner and trying to think of some way to make one before thursday. We ve got lots of tall trees we can string it too. You should have no trouble pulling your large engine trailer in place and disconnecting...hopefully level enough. The water wagon is siting right next to our site waiting to dispense all you need...so no hauling buckets. Looking forward to seeing you guys again. Curt > > Spent the day helping the club rope off gas engine alley and we have are > very > > first ever own area roped off. Very easy access for unloading/loading by > > truck and trailer,close to food and water,flea market area, relatively > flat > > ground, plenty of shade trees and lots of room for extra folks so bring an > > engine or two or just stop on by to visit. > > If you have any questions or need help drop me a line or call. > > Phone: 815-868-2457 work/home > > Curt Andree > > Hi Curt, > Arnie and I should get there Thursday evening. I'll have the ATIS banner > with me! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Aug 16 06:17:35 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:17:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 5 hp Galloway Cylinder Oiler References: Message-ID: Thanks Dave. It very well could be an old style Essex. Will keep looking for one with that high pointed crown. Take Care, RickinMt. From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Aug 16 22:06:18 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:06:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Test Please ignore Message-ID: <200408170506.i7H56MM0029602@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> No mail in two days,wonder if I have been "unlisted" by a security update. Jim O'Hagan From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Aug 16 22:33:25 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:33:25 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Test Please ignore References: <200408170506.i7H56MM0029602@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <000501c4841b$b8131be0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Jim, you came through here in the Low Lands. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 7:06 AM Subject: [SEL] Test Please ignore > No mail in two days,wonder if I have been "unlisted" by a security update. > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustyjnk at gotnet.net Tue Aug 17 02:40:34 2004 From: rustyjnk at gotnet.net (rustyjnk) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:40:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Test Please ignore In-Reply-To: <200408170506.i7H56MM0029602@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> References: <200408170506.i7H56MM0029602@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <4121D292.1000006@gotnet.net> Jim I have in Loomis California. Karde Jim O'Hagan wrote: >No mail in two days,wonder if I have been "unlisted" by a security update. > > > >Jim O'Hagan > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From welch at ii.net Tue Aug 17 03:28:37 2004 From: welch at ii.net (Charles Welch) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:28:37 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Stover aeroplane ! Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20040817182832.01eb2888@mail.iinet.net.au> Never new Stovers could fly ? http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/StoverFlyingMachine1.jpg http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/StoverFlyingMachine2.jpg Oshkosh, 2004. ;-) From mtucker at uky.edu Tue Aug 17 03:50:25 2004 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:50:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Super 8 room available In-Reply-To: <00d101c481a5$fccb5ef0$210110ac@VAIO> References: <21274-411D5EFF-376@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net> <00d101c481a5$fccb5ef0$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: Howdy all, Well, Steve, Mel, Susan and I enjoyed sleeping together so much last year that we have decided to do it again this year. That puts a room with one double bed up for grabs. The reservation is from Monday August 23 until Sunday August 29. If you would like to take over this reservation, please contact me by noon this coming Friday (August 20). If nobody wants it by that time I will cancel the reservation. See ya', Mike PS. Kelley the Portland Trollop.................not hardly! You've got competition this year that will not be ignored in the judging like they were last year -- _____________________________________________ Susan and Michael Tucker email: mtucker at uky.edu 502 Davistown Road Phone (859) 846-4731 Midway, Kentucky 40347 _____________________________________________ From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 17 03:53:54 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Portland Trollop (and Wannabes) In-Reply-To: References: <21274-411D5EFF-376@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net> <00d101c481a5$fccb5ef0$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: Well, YEE HAW!!! Kelley, I think the gauntlet has just been thrown to the ground!! 8->>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2004, Michael Tucker wrote: > Well, Steve, Mel, Susan and I enjoyed sleeping together so much last > year that we have decided to do it again this year. > PS. Kelley the Portland Trollop.................not hardly! You've > got competition this year that will not be ignored in the judging > like they were last year From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 17 04:47:24 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:47:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Stover aeroplane ! References: <5.1.1.6.2.20040817182832.01eb2888@mail.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4121F04C.3080100@imc-group.com> Charles, Seems more than one has thought of using Stovers in flying machines. This local display, dubbed the "Iraqi flying machine" by its' owner Reggie, uses a CT2 (I think) to power it. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/IraqiAF1.jpg He's done several other creative displays. One is "Goverment", a display of lots of moving links that actually does nothing. And then there is his mobile picnic table..... http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2003/zpicnic.html Thanks for posting your flying Stover picture. It's fun to see how creative some people can be! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Charles Welch wrote: >Never new Stovers could fly ? > > >http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/StoverFlyingMachine1.jpg > >http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/StoverFlyingMachine2.jpg > > >Oshkosh, 2004. > >;-) > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Aermoter at aol.com Mon Aug 16 19:53:42 2004 From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:53:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O/T Christoff's in Russia update Message-ID: <7F21FA6D.78B8F853.006C4EA3@aol.com> Hi all. We are now a family. This morning we went to court (Tuesday morning here, Monday noonish there) and now have 2 very cute little boys in our care. They will be coming home with us in about 8 days. We will arrive back home on the 25th for sure now. More will come later. Tim, Steffani, Nikolai and Yuriy Christoff. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Aug 17 06:08:42 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:08:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland Super 8 room available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200408171308.i7HD8kM0084205@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Well, Steve, Mel, Susan and I enjoyed sleeping together so much last > year that we have decided to do it again this year. Talk like that is gonna give Raj a heart attack and send him into early retirement. Go easy on the poor guy. From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Aug 17 08:23:42 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:23:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover aeroplane ! References: <5.1.1.6.2.20040817182832.01eb2888@mail.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <001e01c4846e$32470280$6b83fb40@3rbys01> I don't know guys, it looks like a Stover coffin top--the PR challenges boggle the mind. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Welch" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 5:28 AM Subject: [SEL] Stover aeroplane ! > > > Never new Stovers could fly ? > > > http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/StoverFlyingMachine1.jpg > > http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/StoverFlyingMachine2.jpg > > > Oshkosh, 2004. > > ;-) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Vivas1993 at aol.com Tue Aug 17 09:23:23 2004 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:23:23 EDT Subject: [SEL] Portland Camping.... Message-ID: Hi folks, I've never been to Portland, thought I'd make it this year but things didn't work out. I'm going to make it next year, gotta get there at least once, and the 40th show seems to like a good time to start ! Any idea on the dates for next year, gonna put in for vacation that week, and going to do it early !! Thanks, Dwight Vivas Petersburg, Va. From glenn.karch at gte.net Tue Aug 17 10:27:45 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:27:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Camping.... References: Message-ID: <000901c4847f$850496c0$36c9e641@oemcomputer> Dwight etal, The dates for next year's Portland show are August 24 to 28. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Camping.... > Hi folks, > I've never been to Portland, thought I'd make it this year but things didn't > work out. > I'm going to make it next year, gotta get there at least once, and the 40th > show seems to like a good time to start ! > Any idea on the dates for next year, gonna put in for vacation that week, > and going to do it early !! > Thanks, > Dwight Vivas > Petersburg, Va. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Aug 17 16:52:36 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:52:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O/T Christoff's in Russia update In-Reply-To: <7F21FA6D.78B8F853.006C4EA3@aol.com> References: <7F21FA6D.78B8F853.006C4EA3@aol.com> Message-ID: <84009C74-F0A8-11D8-89EB-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> That's GREAT! John On Aug 16, 2004, at 10:53 PM, Aermoter at aol.com wrote: > Hi all. We are now a family. This morning we went to court (Tuesday > morning here, Monday noonish there) and now have 2 very cute little > boys in our care. They will be coming home with us in about 8 days. > We will arrive back home on the 25th for sure now. More will come > later. > > Tim, > Steffani, > Nikolai and Yuriy Christoff. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Aug 17 18:57:22 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:57:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project #2 In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040815140833.04583c70@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> References: <1cf.28a0b309.2e50b890@aol.com> <6.0.1.1.2.20040815140833.04583c70@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4122B782.5030405@scrtc.com> I showed some photos a couple of weeks ago of the Miami project. As I mentioned then, I was able to borrow Jerry Toews 6 HP Miami to use for pattern purposes, measurements, etc. What a great friend. The engine was just a bare engine with no skidding, fuel system, etc. I told Jerry that I would deliver the engine back to him in running condition, with a cooling tank, skidding, battery box, fuel system take care of any machine work needed, make repairs needed, etc. Here are some photos of the engine during assembly. I'll post some completed photos soon. Click on the thumbnails and they will enlarge. There is caption info directly under the photo in the center. If you have filters, they may not let you access this site (Epson Photo) unless you turn them off. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=31374063&f= Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From eightcycle at yahoo.com Tue Aug 17 19:12:08 2004 From: eightcycle at yahoo.com (Mike Moloy) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] O/T Christoff's in Russia update In-Reply-To: <7F21FA6D.78B8F853.006C4EA3@aol.com> Message-ID: <20040818021208.61962.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> That's Fantastic news, I am very very happy for you, Steffani, Nickolai and Yuriy. I Look foward to seeing you and your family real soon!!!!! Congratulations, Mike --- Aermoter at aol.com wrote: > Hi all. We are now a family. This morning we went > to court (Tuesday morning here, Monday noonish > there) and now have 2 very cute little boys in our > care. They will be coming home with us in about 8 > days. We will arrive back home on the 25th for sure > now. More will come later. > > Tim, > Steffani, > Nikolai and Yuriy Christoff. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Have a outstanding day, Mike Moloy eightcycle at yahoo.com Blue Springs,Missouri,USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 17 19:27:23 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:27:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T - O.T. Bottlebrush Wood Message-ID: <00b601c484ca$e77a51f0$210110ac@VAIO> I hope if you are reading this it is because you want to as I put in the subject line TWICE that this is an Off Topic Request. This is just a disclaimer for anyone who may be offended by this. Anyway I am looking for a piece of Bottlebrush Wood for a project and I have never heard of this wood before. Just need a piece about 2 to 3" round and maybe a foot long. Where in the world can I find this stuff................maybe Mars of Jupiter? Paul From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Aug 17 19:46:13 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:46:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T - O.T. Bottlebrush Wood In-Reply-To: <00b601c484ca$e77a51f0$210110ac@VAIO> References: <00b601c484ca$e77a51f0$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: Paul, go to Google and type in "Bottlebrush wood," in the quotation marks. Turns up lots of hits. I'd never heard of it before, either. John On Aug 17, 2004, at 10:27 PM, wrote: > I hope if you are reading this it is because you want to as I put in > the > subject line TWICE that this is an Off Topic Request. This is just a > disclaimer for anyone who may be offended by this. > > Anyway I am looking for a piece of Bottlebrush Wood for a project and > I have > never heard of this wood before. Just need a piece about 2 to 3" round > and > maybe a foot long. Where in the world can I find this > stuff................maybe Mars of Jupiter? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 17 19:55:40 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:55:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T - O.T. Bottlebrush Wood References: <00b601c484ca$e77a51f0$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <010801c484ce$db36af20$210110ac@VAIO> Thanks John, I did this and I think I have figured out that this is some kind of shrub or ornamental bush, I kept reading about Bottlebrush Buckeye and was wondering if this is the bush that produces "Buckeyes", those hard little disks about the size of a quarter that is brown in color and has a depression in the center of it. I have seen people with these "Buckeye's" but never knew where they came from. Anyway I am still searching for a piece of this wood, got to be some somewhere, maybe somebody made an engine truck out of it...who knows. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T - O.T. Bottlebrush Wood > Paul, go to Google and type in "Bottlebrush wood," in the quotation > marks. Turns up lots of hits. I'd never heard of it before, either. > > John > > On Aug 17, 2004, at 10:27 PM, wrote: > > > I hope if you are reading this it is because you want to as I put in > > the > > subject line TWICE that this is an Off Topic Request. This is just a > > From falcon at telenet.net Tue Aug 17 20:33:17 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:33:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T - O.T. Bottlebrush Wood References: <00b601c484ca$e77a51f0$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <003101c484d4$1a686940$a35c14d0@net.telenet.net> http://www.sunlightgardens.com/pages/1005.html gives an idea where they are grown, OR buy one and WAAIITTTTT... http://www.windsorplywood.com/nam_hardwoods/yellow_buckeye.html gives some more Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:27 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T - O.T. Bottlebrush Wood > I hope if you are reading this it is because you want to as I put in the > subject line TWICE that this is an Off Topic Request. This is just a > disclaimer for anyone who may be offended by this. > > Anyway I am looking for a piece of Bottlebrush Wood for a project and I have > never heard of this wood before. Just need a piece about 2 to 3" round and > maybe a foot long. Where in the world can I find this > stuff................maybe Mars of Jupiter? > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Tue Aug 17 20:54:40 2004 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:54:40 +0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T - O.T. Bottlebrush Wood References: <00b601c484ca$e77a51f0$210110ac@VAIO> <010801c484ce$db36af20$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <007501c484d7$16e77880$210110ac@service> Hi Paul, I am new to this list, and have not posted anything yet so i thought id have a go. I live in what is known as The great southern region of Western Australia, over here we have a variety of bottlebrush shrubs, i dont know if it the same as your after. The shrubs are called this beacause of the flower shape ie: it looks like a bottlebrush.These shrubs do not grow big enough to be able to make engine transporters etc out off. Chester from WA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T - O.T. Bottlebrush Wood > Thanks John, I did this and I think I have figured out that this is some > kind of shrub or ornamental bush, I kept reading about Bottlebrush Buckeye > and was wondering if this is the bush that produces "Buckeyes", those hard > little disks about the size of a quarter that is brown in color and has a > depression in the center of it. I have seen people with these "Buckeye's" > but never knew where they came from. Anyway I am still searching for a piece > of this wood, got to be some somewhere, maybe somebody made an engine truck > out of it...who knows. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Culp" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:46 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T - O.T. Bottlebrush Wood > > > > Paul, go to Google and type in "Bottlebrush wood," in the quotation > > marks. Turns up lots of hits. I'd never heard of it before, either. > > > > John > > > > On Aug 17, 2004, at 10:27 PM, wrote: > > > > > I hope if you are reading this it is because you want to as I put in > > > the > > > subject line TWICE that this is an Off Topic Request. This is just a > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Aug 17 21:43:45 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:43:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Bottlebrush Wood Message-ID: <20040817.214345.304.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Paul. Here in California we have a decorative tree we call Bottlebrush, it has red flower that look like a bottle brush. Very slow growing, dense, dark reddish-purple wood. I have made some small vases for my wife out of them, very beautiful wood. It is not easy to find, I have some at work but only small pieces. All the large pieces have bark inclusions and split as it dries. I am always looking for more. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:27:23 -0500 writes: > I hope if you are reading this it is because you want to as I put in > the > subject line TWICE that this is an Off Topic Request. This is just > a > disclaimer for anyone who may be offended by this. > > Anyway I am looking for a piece of Bottlebrush Wood for a project > and I have > never heard of this wood before. Just need a piece about 2 to 3" > round and > maybe a foot long. Where in the world can I find this > stuff................maybe Mars of Jupiter? > > Paul From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Aug 17 21:22:12 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:22:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nat rally Message-ID: <001701c48500$cef3e0c0$140d1bd3@athlon> I received a reply from the nat rally today. I have posted it on Jim's list. If any of you want me to send it to you direct, contact me off list. Thanks. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Aug 18 04:38:14 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:38:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Nat rally In-Reply-To: <001601c48500$b7270b20$140d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <200408181138.i7IBcBM0014050@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> It is good to see the rally committee is willing to listen and reply. They have corrected the one thing which, in particular, offended me which was the one admission per rally entrant. Which I thought seemed pretty stingy. It would be nice if some of the costs could be absorbed by some judicious sponsorship by local businesses as an event of this size will be worth a lot to the local economy but it is often hard to extract money. I still have no decided it I will go but a few people are working on me... Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Here is the reply I got today. What are your thoughts? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 18 06:21:21 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:21:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T - O.T. Bottlebrush Wood References: <00b601c484ca$e77a51f0$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <004401c48526$41572c60$7f658e42@domainnotset.invalid> . Where in the world can I find this > stuff................maybe Mars of Jupiter? > A few tears ago at my place I had one by the shop the ex dug up with a axe , because she thought I was gonna kill it . (NS) It is a common ornamental , and a real hottie as plants go . Whats special about the 12" BB dowel ? Why not ebony or brazilian rosewood ? From dotto at velocitus.net Wed Aug 18 08:09:59 2004 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:09:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project #2 In-Reply-To: <4122B782.5030405@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000501c48535$71981650$01043c0a@DD1BF421> Outstanding work Tommy! Thank you for taking the time to post the pictures. I would like to see some before pictures of "your" engine, do you have any? Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Turner Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 6:57 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Miami Project #2 I showed some photos a couple of weeks ago of the Miami project. As I mentioned then, I was able to borrow Jerry Toews 6 HP Miami to use for pattern purposes, measurements, etc. What a great friend. The engine was just a bare engine with no skidding, fuel system, etc. I told Jerry that I would deliver the engine back to him in running condition, with a cooling tank, skidding, battery box, fuel system take care of any machine work needed, make repairs needed, etc. Here are some photos of the engine during assembly. I'll post some completed photos soon. Click on the thumbnails and they will enlarge. There is caption info directly under the photo in the center. If you have filters, they may not let you access this site (Epson Photo) unless you turn them off. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=31374063&f= Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Wed Aug 18 09:46:31 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:46:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bottlebrush wood Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A701D823B7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Paul, If anyone is going to have it, Paxton Lumber - now known as Paxton the Wood Source in Kansas City MIGHT. Be advised the company has just been sold and is in something of a state of turmoil right now, but here's the phone number: 816-483-0659 Address is 6311 St John Ave Kansas City MO 64123 Good luck. Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Wed Aug 18 09:51:40 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:51:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Reg Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A701D823BC@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> I sent this off list, but got a notice back that I am blacklisted by hotkey. If any of you want me to send it to you direct, contact me off list. Thanks. Reg. Yup - I wanna see this! tnx bhy CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Aug 18 10:38:19 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:38:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engines, not so stationary Message-ID: <200408181738.i7IHcR7f090115@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hiya boys and girls, I just finished working on a batch of pictures from last weekend. There are engines involved, but they're not of the stationary persuasion. Don't worry; if you like the stationary kind, you'll also like this portable kind. http://engines.rustyiron.com/lanevictory If these don't cure your insomnia, when you're finished you can click on "return to the R.I.W." At the top of the "shows" list you'll see some other web stuff that I had been putting off. Sweet dreams. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Aug 18 11:11:27 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:11:27 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Engines, not so stationary References: <200408181738.i7IHcR7f090115@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <000701c4854e$c78bfcc0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Rob, it doesn't work that Url, give us the right one please. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > Hiya boys and girls, > I just finished working on a batch of pictures from last > weekend. There are engines involved, but they're not of > the stationary persuasion. Don't worry; if you like the > stationary kind, you'll also like this portable kind. > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/lanevictory > > If these don't cure your insomnia, when you're finished you > can click on "return to the R.I.W." At the top of the > "shows" list you'll see some other web stuff that I had > been putting off. > > Sweet dreams. > Rob > > > > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Aug 18 11:52:19 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:52:19 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map Message-ID: For those that are headed to Portland, Indiana for the first time I thought this map might be helpful. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/portland_showgrounds.jpg Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Aug 18 12:12:35 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:12:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Engines, not so stationary In-Reply-To: <000701c4854e$c78bfcc0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> References: <200408181738.i7IHcR7f090115@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <000701c4854e$c78bfcc0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <9ga7i0he5trn2n0h6e31nqao8bpkf9n2ba@4ax.com> On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:11:27 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Rob, it doesn't work that Url, give us the right one please. > >John Hammink Works OK for me, John. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Aug 18 12:38:53 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:38:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project #2 In-Reply-To: <000501c48535$71981650$01043c0a@DD1BF421> References: <000501c48535$71981650$01043c0a@DD1BF421> Message-ID: <4123B04D.9090100@scrtc.com> Dave, I did have some but they were on my old computer hard drive and lightning got it about 3 weeks ago. I have a friend trying to see if he can retrieve any of the info off of it. If so, I'll be glad to post them. All there was of the Miami was a base, flywheels, and crankshaft. The front half of the cylinder had been cut off and it had been made into a wood splitter. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Dave Otto wrote: >Outstanding work Tommy! > >Thank you for taking the time to post the pictures. I would like to see >some before pictures of "your" engine, do you have any? > > >Dave > > >Dave Otto >Boise, Idaho > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tommy >Turner >Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 6:57 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Miami Project #2 > >I showed some photos a couple of weeks ago of the Miami project. As I >mentioned then, I was able to borrow Jerry Toews 6 HP Miami to use for >pattern purposes, measurements, etc. What a great friend. The engine >was just a bare engine with no skidding, fuel system, etc. I told Jerry > >that I would deliver the engine back to him in running condition, with a > >cooling tank, skidding, battery box, fuel system take care of any >machine work needed, make repairs needed, etc. Here are some photos of >the engine during assembly. I'll post some completed photos soon. >Click on the thumbnails and they will enlarge. There is caption info >directly under the photo in the center. If you have filters, they may >not let you access this site (Epson Photo) unless you turn them off. > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=31374063&f= > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Aug 18 13:04:36 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:04:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engines, not so stationary Message-ID: <20040818.130437.832.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi John. It worked for me. Nice pictures Rob. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:11:27 +0200 "John Hammink" writes: > Hi Rob, it doesn't work that Url, give us the right one please. > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > Hiya boys and girls, > > I just finished working on a batch of pictures from last > > weekend. There are engines involved, but they're not of > > the stationary persuasion. Don't worry; if you like the > > stationary kind, you'll also like this portable kind. > > > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/lanevictory > > > > If these don't cure your insomnia, when you're finished you > > can click on "return to the R.I.W." At the top of the > > "shows" list you'll see some other web stuff that I had > > been putting off. > > > > Sweet dreams. > > Rob From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Aug 18 13:12:53 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:12:53 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:52:19 +0000, you wrote: >For those that are headed to Portland, Indiana for the first time I thought >this map might be helpful. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/portland_showgrounds.jpg > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA Hi Luke: Have you got a slightly larger view (bigger area) available? Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Aug 18 13:21:13 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:21:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map References: Message-ID: <000601c48560$e9f4b6a0$d2b6f504@x8h7l9> Thank you Luke, I was just looking at a map trying to figure out how to find the show and SEL friends as my e-mail was down loading and up pops your map. You do good work. One question on the Main Road , does it have another name like Rt 27 or 67 or 26?? Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:52 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map > For those that are headed to Portland, Indiana for the first time I thought > this map might be helpful. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/portland_showgrounds.jpg > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA From alanb2 at webtv.net Wed Aug 18 14:04:36 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:04:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Off to Buckley Show and turning off SEL email. Message-ID: <27942-4123C464-8@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net> Howdy Folks, I am off for 4 fun days at the Buckley, Michigan show. I plan on seeing a lot of y'all at the Portland show in about 10 days. I will be on he road just as fast as I can. Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Aug 18 14:04:45 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:04:45 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Engines, not so stationary References: <20040818.130437.832.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <000901c48566$fdbd8170$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Yes Ron, I have seen Kelley it works now. Run my spy&spam machine and it came through. Rob good shots, 8 miles from here is the Dutch Navy harbour, there're plenty of them. See me and my little engine buddy in the middle. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/fleetshow.jpg John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Hi John. It worked for me. Nice pictures Rob. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 18 14:39:37 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:39:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Bottlebrush Wood References: <20040817.214345.304.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <000d01c4856b$de9247e0$210110ac@VAIO> Thanks Ron, I think I may just abandon this search, probably have more luck finding an engine, ha, ha. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 11:43 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Bottlebrush Wood > Hi Paul. > Here in California we have a decorative tree we call Bottlebrush, it has > red flower that look like a bottle brush. Very slow growing, dense, dark > reddish-purple wood. I have made some small vases for my wife out of > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Aug 18 14:40:50 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:40:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map Message-ID: Sure Peter, go to: http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?t=1&s=12&x=840&y=5599&z=16&w=1 then over on the left side of the screen just below the compass, select "map size large" that should bring up the entire area including the incoming road and the horse track where exhibitors, etc park. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =============== >From: Peter A Forbes >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map >Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:12:53 +0100 > >On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:52:19 +0000, you wrote: > > >For those that are headed to Portland, Indiana for the first time I >thought > >this map might be helpful. > > > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/portland_showgrounds.jpg > > > >Luke Tonneberger > >Rockford, Michigan > >USA > >Hi Luke: > >Have you got a slightly larger view (bigger area) available? > >Peter > >-- >Peter & Rita Forbes >diesel at easynet.co.uk >Engine pages for preservation info: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Aug 18 15:19:34 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:19:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engines, not so stationary In-Reply-To: <000701c4854e$c78bfcc0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <200408182219.i7IMJc7f032028@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Hi Rob, it doesn't work that Url, give us the right one please. Hi John, It must be a weak URL signal that peters out somewhere between the UK and the Netherlands. Try it with different syntax: http://www.rustyiron.com/engines/lanevictory/index.html Good luck! Rob From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 18 15:22:03 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:22:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engines, not so stationary References: <200408181738.i7IHcR7f090115@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <006e01c48571$ca5233c0$7f658e42@domainnotset.invalid> so thats where the Vickers ended up Last time I saw here she was hanging from a chain on eBay or somewhere . Did you get the pics Peter sent when he saw the Jeremiah ? The turbines look like those here on the Lexington . a big pile of spray insulation . The rising sun they painted on the flying bridge is STILL there from when they filmed the Pearl Harbor in CC the 20 is really something , and they sent out an interceptr to sink you ? what kind of tour were you guys on ? that is too cool From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Aug 18 13:24:29 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:24:29 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map References: Message-ID: <4123BAFD.000007.02360@NOTEBOOK> HELP Every message I send is too long - - - WHY Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Aug 18 09:18:29 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:18:29 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Miami Project #2 References: <000501c48535$71981650$01043c0a@DD1BF421> Message-ID: <41238155.000001.02044@NOTEBOOK> Hello all I'm new to your list but it looks like an interesting group. I have 5 engines up for sale. I tried posting them here earlier but the post was too long so please e-mail me with ANY questions. carrowor at comcast.net. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Aug 18 16:01:08 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:01:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7DA5C914-F16A-11D8-99F9-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > should bring up the entire area including the incoming road and the > horse track where exhibitors, etc park. Don't forget that you can't drive into the racetrack before Wednesday morning when the show officially opens to the public. There aren't any signs or anybody to warn you away, and the gate's open, but the horsey people get NASTY if you drive in there. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From glenn.karch at gte.net Wed Aug 18 16:10:17 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:10:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project #2 References: <000501c48535$71981650$01043c0a@DD1BF421> <4123B04D.9090100@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002a01c48578$899612a0$5329ea41@oemcomputer> Tommy, Is the Miami one of those two log spittler engines you had loaded on your trailer a few years ago at Coolspring? Was it the one with the wedge on the flywheel? One engine was a Falk as I remember? Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Miami Project #2 > Dave, > > I did have some but they were on my old computer hard drive and > lightning got it about 3 weeks ago. I have a friend trying to see if he > can retrieve any of the info off of it. If so, I'll be glad to post > them. All there was of the Miami was a base, flywheels, and > crankshaft. The front half of the cylinder had been cut off and it had > been made into a wood splitter. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Dave Otto wrote: > > >Outstanding work Tommy! > > > >Thank you for taking the time to post the pictures. I would like to see > >some before pictures of "your" engine, do you have any? > > > > > >Dave > > > > > >Dave Otto > >Boise, Idaho > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tommy > >Turner > >Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 6:57 PM > >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Subject: [SEL] Miami Project #2 > > > >I showed some photos a couple of weeks ago of the Miami project. As I > >mentioned then, I was able to borrow Jerry Toews 6 HP Miami to use for > >pattern purposes, measurements, etc. What a great friend. The engine > >was just a bare engine with no skidding, fuel system, etc. I told Jerry > > > >that I would deliver the engine back to him in running condition, with a > > > >cooling tank, skidding, battery box, fuel system take care of any > >machine work needed, make repairs needed, etc. Here are some photos of > >the engine during assembly. I'll post some completed photos soon. > >Click on the thumbnails and they will enlarge. There is caption info > >directly under the photo in the center. If you have filters, they may > >not let you access this site (Epson Photo) unless you turn them off. > > > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=31374063&f= > > > >Tommy Turner > >Magnolia, KY > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dotto at velocitus.net Wed Aug 18 17:12:24 2004 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:12:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project #2 In-Reply-To: <4123B04D.9090100@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000c01c48581$37baf050$01043c0a@DD1BF421> Bummer, I hope that you are able to recover some or all of your data. You need to find a safer place to live first the tornado and then the lightning trashes your computer. My son recently got back from visiting his grandparents near Paris, on the other side of Lexington from you. He got to see some really good rain storms that we just don't get out here in the west. Dave P.S. Don't give up name plate I'm still going to get them done. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Turner Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 12:39 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Miami Project #2 Dave, I did have some but they were on my old computer hard drive and lightning got it about 3 weeks ago. I have a friend trying to see if he can retrieve any of the info off of it. If so, I'll be glad to post them. All there was of the Miami was a base, flywheels, and crankshaft. The front half of the cylinder had been cut off and it had been made into a wood splitter. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Aug 18 17:35:41 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:35:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - camper question Message-ID: <007801c48584$756c36e0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Since we seem to have more than a handful of folks here who camp on a regular basis, I have a question for the pros........ What is a 2000 Jayco Qwest 23? 24 foot 5th wheel worth? Are they any good? Is 5th wheel worth the extra money, or just "nice to have"? Looking at one - very clean condition, not a lot of use from looks of it. Bill Runnells, IA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Aug 18 19:50:27 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:50:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project #2 In-Reply-To: <002a01c48578$899612a0$5329ea41@oemcomputer> References: <000501c48535$71981650$01043c0a@DD1BF421> <4123B04D.9090100@scrtc.com> <002a01c48578$899612a0$5329ea41@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <41241573.3070406@scrtc.com> No Glenn, the one you remember was a Falk and the other a Field Brundage. I purchased the Field for the Flywheels and the Falk for the sub base and clutch pulley as I have another one the same size. However, after I got the Falk home I ran an ad on Harry's and ended up finding the intake valve cage, exhaust valve cage, governor, water pump, half the carb, and a few other items. It is one of those thats almost too far gone to save but enough there to try to salvage. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky Glenn A Karch wrote: >Tommy, > >Is the Miami one of those two log spittler engines you had loaded on your >trailer a few years ago at Coolspring? Was it the one with the wedge on the >flywheel? One engine was a Falk as I remember? > >Glenn > >Glenn Karch >Haubstadt, IN, USA >Hercules Historian >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tommy Turner" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:38 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Miami Project #2 > > > > >>Dave, >> >> I did have some but they were on my old computer hard drive and >>lightning got it about 3 weeks ago. I have a friend trying to see if he >>can retrieve any of the info off of it. If so, I'll be glad to post >>them. All there was of the Miami was a base, flywheels, and >>crankshaft. The front half of the cylinder had been cut off and it had >>been made into a wood splitter. >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >>Dave Otto wrote: >> >> >> >>>Outstanding work Tommy! >>> >>>Thank you for taking the time to post the pictures. I would like to see >>>some before pictures of "your" engine, do you have any? >>> >>> >>>Dave >>> >>> >>>Dave Otto >>>Boise, Idaho >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tommy >>>Turner >>>Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 6:57 PM >>>To: The SEL email discussion list >>>Subject: [SEL] Miami Project #2 >>> >>>I showed some photos a couple of weeks ago of the Miami project. As I >>>mentioned then, I was able to borrow Jerry Toews 6 HP Miami to use for >>>pattern purposes, measurements, etc. What a great friend. The engine >>>was just a bare engine with no skidding, fuel system, etc. I told Jerry >>> >>>that I would deliver the engine back to him in running condition, with a >>> >>>cooling tank, skidding, battery box, fuel system take care of any >>>machine work needed, make repairs needed, etc. Here are some photos of >>> >>> > > > >>>the engine during assembly. I'll post some completed photos soon. >>>Click on the thumbnails and they will enlarge. There is caption info >>>directly under the photo in the center. If you have filters, they may >>>not let you access this site (Epson Photo) unless you turn them off. >>> >>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=31374063&f= >>> >>>Tommy Turner >>>Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Aug 18 23:12:31 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 07:12:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:40:50 +0000, you wrote: >Sure Peter, go to: > >http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?t=1&s=12&x=840&y=5599&z=16&w=1 > >then over on the left side of the screen just below the compass, select "map >size large" that should bring up the entire area including the incoming road >and the horse track where exhibitors, etc park. > >Luke Tonneberger Thanks, Luke, that did the job! Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From old_iron at msn.com Wed Aug 18 23:45:02 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:45:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] First Ever SEL Eng. site at Baraboo roped off Message-ID: Hello Curt: The new camper is all packed and ready to go, we plan on leaving tomorrow not later than 10:00 and since it is about 4 hours to the Dells, we should see you early tomorrow afternoon. Peg >From: cgandree at mchsi.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] First Ever SEL Eng. site at Baraboo roped off >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:55:21 +0000 > >Hi Dave, >Sounds great, was wondering about the banner and trying to think of some >way >to make one before thursday. We ve got lots of tall trees we can string it >too. You should have no trouble pulling your large engine trailer in place >and disconnecting...hopefully level enough. The water wagon is siting >right >next to our site waiting to dispense all you need...so no hauling buckets. >Looking forward to seeing you guys again. >Curt > > > Spent the day helping the club rope off gas engine alley and we have >are > > very > > > first ever own area roped off. Very easy access for unloading/loading >by > > > truck and trailer,close to food and water,flea market area, relatively > > flat > > > ground, plenty of shade trees and lots of room for extra folks so >bring an > > > engine or two or just stop on by to visit. > > > If you have any questions or need help drop me a line or call. > > > Phone: 815-868-2457 work/home > > > Curt Andree > > > > Hi Curt, > > Arnie and I should get there Thursday evening. I'll have the ATIS >banner > > with me! > > Dave > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From old_iron at msn.com Wed Aug 18 23:54:40 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:54:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O/T Christoff's in Russia update Message-ID: Congrats and a very Happy Birthday I am sure you will have!! Looking forward to seeing you and your new additions next year at Portland. XOXOXOX Peg PS: you could always post some family pics too. >From: Aermoter at aol.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: AMYLAYOTTE at aol.com, Lebailes7 at aol.com, kbeb at swbell.net, >RODUEBASE at aol.com, engbrek at email.msn.com, ignitors at sbcglobal.net, >oldengin at udata.com, hlynd at comcast.net, jlaytham at basehorlibrary.org, >mmoloy at planetkc.com, Gidget_Padgett at mail.usd458.k12.ks.us, >sel at lists.stationary-engine.com, slick at toltbbs.com, rkguncat at aol.com >Subject: [SEL] O/T Christoff's in Russia update >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:53:42 -0400 > >Hi all. We are now a family. This morning we went to court (Tuesday >morning here, Monday noonish there) and now have 2 very cute little boys in >our care. They will be coming home with us in about 8 days. We will >arrive back home on the 25th for sure now. More will come later. > >Tim, >Steffani, >Nikolai and Yuriy Christoff. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Aug 19 03:40:20 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:40:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] First Ever SEL Eng. site at Baraboo roped off Message-ID: <081920041040.25215.351b@mchsi.com> Hi Peg & Bill, A couple of the boys from england called last night from Ohare airport and will be heading my way about 10:00 then we are all off to Baraboo. More then likely we will get there about the same time you do if all goes well. Looks like the damn rain will quit and may be a cool dry weekend...I hope. Better pack your rain gear and longjohns just incase..... ATIS SEL site is right in middle of northern gas alley timber. Look for large roped off area with red signs. looking foward to seein everybody. Curt > Hello Curt: > > The new camper is all packed and ready to go, we plan on leaving tomorrow > not later than 10:00 and since it is about 4 hours to the Dells, we should > see you early tomorrow afternoon. > > Peg > > > >From: cgandree at mchsi.com > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Subject: Re: [SEL] First Ever SEL Eng. site at Baraboo roped off > >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:55:21 +0000 > > > >Hi Dave, > >Sounds great, was wondering about the banner and trying to think of some > >way > >to make one before thursday. We ve got lots of tall trees we can string it > >too. You should have no trouble pulling your large engine trailer in place > >and disconnecting...hopefully level enough. The water wagon is siting > >right > >next to our site waiting to dispense all you need...so no hauling buckets. > >Looking forward to seeing you guys again. > >Curt > > > > Spent the day helping the club rope off gas engine alley and we have > >are > > > very > > > > first ever own area roped off. Very easy access for unloading/loading > >by > > > > truck and trailer,close to food and water,flea market area, relatively > > > flat > > > > ground, plenty of shade trees and lots of room for extra folks so > >bring an > > > > engine or two or just stop on by to visit. > > > > If you have any questions or need help drop me a line or call. > > > > Phone: 815-868-2457 work/home > > > > Curt Andree > > > > > > Hi Curt, > > > Arnie and I should get there Thursday evening. I'll have the ATIS > >banner > > > with me! > > > Dave > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Aug 19 04:13:19 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:13:19 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map Message-ID: Hi Ed, I'm not sure what the name of the road is. It might be N. Morton Rd. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =================== >From: "ED" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map >Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:21:13 -0400 > >Thank you Luke, > >I was just looking at a map trying to figure out how to find the show and >SEL friends as my e-mail was down loading and up pops your map. You do good >work. One question on the Main Road , does it have another name like Rt 27 >or 67 or 26?? > >Ed Stoller >New Fairfield, CT > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Luke Tonneberger" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:52 PM >Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map > > > > For those that are headed to Portland, Indiana for the first time I >thought > > this map might be helpful. > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/portland_showgrounds.jpg > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu Aug 19 06:05:03 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:05:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map References: Message-ID: <4124A57F.C0B1D26E@insulate.co.uk> Hi Luke As I looked wistfully at the picture, I thought for a moment the Yanks had come to their senses and arranged an "Ale Area" within easy access of the SEL area. Bet Arnie was disappointed when he spotted the "S" at the start! Have a great time, everyone. Dolly Luke Tonneberger wrote: > For those that are headed to Portland, Indiana for the first time I thought > this map might be helpful. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/portland_showgrounds.jpg > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From curt at imc-group.com Thu Aug 19 09:31:46 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:31:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland trip report outline Message-ID: <4124D5F2.5080307@imc-group.com> Guys and Gals, 11 year old Devin will be making his second trip to the Portland show this year. Part of his penance for missing a week of school is he has to write a trip report for his class. So I thought I would ask the group what kind of questions/observations about Portland the young fellow should be noting while there. A few come to mind.... How many engines are registered in the show grounds (he should ask the registrars desk)? How many t- t- tractors are on display? How many oilfield engines are on display? How many people are registered as displaying engines? How many countries are represented? How many US states are represented? He should cover: Where Portland is. What Portland is. How / why it started. How the Portland community supports the show. The local schools getting out of school to attend the show one afternoon. His favorite part of the show. How many people he knows at the show. We are looking forward to your suggestions. Thanks, Curt, Missy, & Devin Holland Gastonia, NC From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Aug 19 11:44:25 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:44:25 +0200 Subject: {Spam?} Re: [SEL] Portland trip report outline References: <4124D5F2.5080307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000701c4861c$8e1f51c0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Curt, how many traders there're. Traders are a very importend part of Portland. He could asking around how many thousends of parts there laying in the sun or... mud. Maybe interesting to ask a few well know traders how many travels they do for there living etc etc. Just a thought. Have a great time everyone. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Guys and Gals, > 11 year old Devin will be making his second trip to the Portland show > this year. Part of his penance for missing a week of school is he has to > write a trip report for his class. So I thought I would ask the group > what kind of questions/observations about Portland the young fellow > should be noting while there. A few come to mind.... > > How many engines are registered in the show grounds (he should ask the > registrars desk)? > How many t- t- tractors are on display? > How many oilfield engines are on display? > How many people are registered as displaying engines? > How many countries are represented? > How many US states are represented? > > He should cover: > Where Portland is. > What Portland is. > How / why it started. > How the Portland community supports the show. > The local schools getting out of school to attend the show one afternoon. > His favorite part of the show. > How many people he knows at the show. > > We are looking forward to your suggestions. > Thanks, > Curt, Missy, & Devin Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Aug 19 12:02:33 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:02:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland trip report outline References: <4124D5F2.5080307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001b01c4861f$168f1340$35bff504@x8h7l9> How about the oldest machine at the show? Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "SEL(new)" Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland trip report outline > Guys and Gals, > 11 year old Devin will be making his second trip to the Portland show > this year. Part of his penance for missing a week of school is he has to > write a trip report for his class. So I thought I would ask the group > what kind of questions/observations about Portland the young fellow > should be noting while there. A few come to mind.... > > How many engines are registered in the show grounds (he should ask the > registrars desk)? > How many t- t- tractors are on display? > How many oilfield engines are on display? > How many people are registered as displaying engines? > How many countries are represented? > How many US states are represented? > > He should cover: > Where Portland is. > What Portland is. > How / why it started. > How the Portland community supports the show. > The local schools getting out of school to attend the show one afternoon. > His favorite part of the show. > How many people he knows at the show. > > We are looking forward to your suggestions. > Thanks, > Curt, Missy, & Devin Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pwaugh at mchsi.com Thu Aug 19 12:50:55 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:50:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map References: <000601c48560$e9f4b6a0$d2b6f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <006d01c48625$d783fd80$0300a8c0@paul> Howdy Main St is US 27 ... basically after the 22nd of August just follow the old iron on trailers, prolly can start doing that 50 miles out and they will get you there Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "ED" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map > Thank you Luke, > > I was just looking at a map trying to figure out how to find the show and > SEL friends as my e-mail was down loading and up pops your map. You do good > work. One question on the Main Road , does it have another name like Rt 27 > or 67 or 26?? > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luke Tonneberger" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:52 PM > Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map > > > > For those that are headed to Portland, Indiana for the first time I > thought > > this map might be helpful. > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/portland_showgrounds.jpg > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Aug 19 13:25:46 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:25:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map In-Reply-To: <006d01c48625$d783fd80$0300a8c0@paul> References: <000601c48560$e9f4b6a0$d2b6f504@x8h7l9> <006d01c48625$d783fd80$0300a8c0@paul> Message-ID: <803ai0pu4ucks0vkfg8t9ks4ihd9j55j2m@4ax.com> On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:50:55 -0500, you wrote: >Howdy > >Main St is US 27 ... basically after the 22nd of August just follow the old >iron on trailers, prolly can start doing that 50 miles out and they will get >you there > >Paul Yup, we found it quite easily last year, it is signposted well and is on the outskirts of the North side of Portland, on the left. I seem to remember that the turning for the show site is on a set of lights, you turn left if heading south and follow that to an industrial area, and then turn right to the road that runs through the show area. Car park is on the left, camping etc on the right. The traffic is usually pretty busy, just follow the guys with iron as Paul says. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From ivancou at usachoice.net Thu Aug 19 13:29:15 2004 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:29:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service References: <000f01c48599$129ebd20$0100a8c0@bright.net> Message-ID: <000e01c4862b$33b608a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> What cell phone companies service Portland ? We're looking to replace our current service , and having a phone that works at Portland would be nice ! How about in the area traveling across Ohio to PA from Columbus toward Akron and then over into Pa on I 80 . Thanks , Ivan From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Aug 19 14:58:40 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:58:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland trip report outline In-Reply-To: <4124D5F2.5080307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200408192158.i7JLwjst088812@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > We are looking forward to your suggestions. > Thanks, > Curt, Missy, & Devin Holland How many distinct styles were represented at the beer tasting? Is it true what they say about Amish girls? From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 19 14:33:55 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:33:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland trip report outline References: <4124D5F2.5080307@imc-group.com> <001b01c4861f$168f1340$35bff504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <007801c48639$18198500$7f658e42@domainnotset.invalid> The question i get the most is "WHY?" And the answer is really quite simple . Because it isnt easy . From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Thu Aug 19 17:18:21 2004 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:18:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Shimstock anyone? Message-ID: <016d01c4864b$34a95bc0$53e0a841@ibm22761389857> Subject: My favorite news story of the day!! Bear drinks 36 cans of favorite beer BAKER LAKE, Wash. (AP) - Rain-eeeeer .... Bear? When state Fish and Wildlife agents recently found a black bear passed out on the lawn of Baker Lake Resort, there were some clues scattered nearby - dozens of empty cans of Rainier Beer. The bear apparently got into campers' coolers and used his claws and teeth to puncture the cans. And not just any cans. "He drank the Rainier and wouldn't drink the Busch beer," said Lisa Broxson, bookkeeper at the campground and cabins resort east of Mount Baker. Fish and Wildlife enforcement Sgt. Bill Heinck said the bear did try one can of Busch, but ignored the rest. "He didn't like that (Busch) and consumed, as near as we can tell, about 36 cans of Rainier." A wildlife agent tried to chase the bear from the campground but the animal just climbed a tree to sleep it off for another four hours. Agents finally herded the bear away, but it returned the next morning. Agents then used a large, humane trap to capture it for relocation, baiting the trap with the usual: doughnuts, honey and, in this case, two open cans of Rainier. That did the trick. "This is a new one on me," Heinck said. "I've known them to get into cans, but nothing like this. And it definitely had a preference." From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Thu Aug 19 17:55:08 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:55:08 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] New WA oz member Message-ID: <20040820005508.53562.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com> G'day Chester You'll learn a lot here. The list has I think now 4 members from WA - Exmouth, Albany are 2 I can think off and there's one other at least. I've been to both of those with great memories. Let's know where in the Great Southern you are so I can check if I've been to your home town as well! Cheers Graham in (Melbourne, Oz) Message: 17 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:54:40 +0800 From: "SERVICE" Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T - O.T. Bottlebrush Wood To: "The SEL email discussion list" Message-ID: <007501c484d7$16e77880$210110ac at service> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Paul, I am new to this list, and have not posted anything yet so i thought id have a go. I live in what is known as The great southern region of Western Australia, over here we have a variety of bottlebrush shrubs, i dont know if it the same as your after. The shrubs are called this beacause of the flower shape ie: it looks like a bottlebrush.These shrubs do not grow big enough to be able to make engine transporters etc out off. Chester from WA Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Thu Aug 19 17:58:48 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:58:48 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re:Arnie the Portland Trollop Message-ID: <20040820005848.41647.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com> Arnie, Arnie, Arnie There's no Gauntlet, none at all. We all know that you'd be the instant winner ;-) Graham Oz Message: 3 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:53:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Arnie Fero Subject: [SEL] Re: Portland Trollop (and Wannabes) To: The SEL email discussion list Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, YEE HAW!!! Kelley, I think the gauntlet has just been thrown to the ground!! 8->>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2004, Michael Tucker wrote: > Well, Steve, Mel, Susan and I enjoyed sleeping together so much last > year that we have decided to do it again this year. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Thu Aug 19 18:19:03 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:19:03 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Buying a Foundry Message-ID: <20040820011903.47329.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com> G'day All My son and I went to a sale of house antiques in the suburbs last weekend, looking for engine bits. None there, but there was a complete non-ferrous foundry. I decided that I'd be in it if cheap enough. The outfit was 2 furnaces with burners) one diesel - a fixed pot type, 1 ton weight, other is a portable LP gas unit) crucibles, mould boxes, tools, some green sand and hard sand & resin consumables, a wobbling sifter & sieves, sand mixer and a rolling crusher bowl and a bunch of patterns one of which is a small A/C engine. I'll keep those for future reference. Cost-wise, I think I'll call it the "100 dollar foundry". The furnaces went for 10 each and the rest was 80 only because some bloke wanted the sifter and nothing else, otherwise I'd have got the rest for 10 as well! I don't think anybody knew what the stuff was...I couldn't believe it. I'll start by playing with the sand and making some moulds, then try the furnaces - ye-haa! Cheers Graham (down and dirty in the foundry) Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com Thu Aug 19 18:32:16 2004 From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:32:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service References: <000f01c48599$129ebd20$0100a8c0@bright.net> <000e01c4862b$33b608a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Message-ID: <006f01c48655$879445c0$f1c67040@user> Nextel is absolutely dead, no service. I think the Boss has Sprint or Venison and it works there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivan Cousins" To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:29 PM Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service What cell phone companies service Portland ? We're looking to replace our current service , and having a phone that works at Portland would be nice ! How about in the area traveling across Ohio to PA from Columbus toward Akron and then over into Pa on I 80 . Thanks , Ivan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From markshattuck at ntelos.net Thu Aug 19 19:15:51 2004 From: markshattuck at ntelos.net (Mark L Shattuck) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 22:15:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service References: <000f01c48599$129ebd20$0100a8c0@bright.net><000e01c4862b$33b608a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> <006f01c48655$879445c0$f1c67040@user> Message-ID: <001101c4865b$9d784f70$6401a8c0@markp6023ftphp> What about track phone from wal-mart for 49.95 plus setup fee and buy minutes they say it works in the US coast to coast no contracts etc Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Russell" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > Nextel is absolutely dead, no service. I think the Boss has Sprint or > Venison and it works there. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ivan Cousins" > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:29 PM > Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > > > What cell phone companies service Portland ? We're looking to replace > our current service , and having a phone that works at Portland would be > nice ! How about in the area traveling across Ohio to PA from Columbus > toward Akron and then over into Pa on I 80 . Thanks , Ivan > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Aug 19 19:29:05 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 22:29:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service In-Reply-To: <006f01c48655$879445c0$f1c67040@user> References: <000f01c48599$129ebd20$0100a8c0@bright.net> <000e01c4862b$33b608a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> <006f01c48655$879445c0$f1c67040@user> Message-ID: Yeah, Verizon works there. I'm thoroughly pissed at Verizon for bad customer service and have put them on notice that my contract will not be renewed, though. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From pwaugh at mchsi.com Thu Aug 19 19:44:19 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:44:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service References: <000f01c48599$129ebd20$0100a8c0@bright.net><000e01c4862b$33b608a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7><006f01c48655$879445c0$f1c67040@user> <001101c4865b$9d784f70$6401a8c0@markp6023ftphp> Message-ID: <00a301c4865f$97eaa950$0300a8c0@paul> Hi All near as I can tell, cell phones need towers to work and Portland is not well blessed, verizon will work, I had no luck with cenntial. Since I drive all over the US, I dug into this, truckers are broke into main groups, verizon and ATT, I went to verizon, Utah is dead, but other than that, just small pockets that I have found to be dead .. Paul W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark L Shattuck" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > What about track phone from wal-mart for 49.95 plus setup fee and buy > minutes they say it works in the US coast to coast no contracts etc > Mark > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Russell" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:32 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > > > > Nextel is absolutely dead, no service. I think the Boss has Sprint or > > Venison and it works there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ivan Cousins" > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" > > > Cc: > > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:29 PM > > Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > > > > > > What cell phone companies service Portland ? We're looking to replace > > our current service , and having a phone that works at Portland would be > > nice ! How about in the area traveling across Ohio to PA from Columbus > > toward Akron and then over into Pa on I 80 . Thanks , Ivan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Aug 19 19:51:28 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 22:51:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service In-Reply-To: <00a301c4865f$97eaa950$0300a8c0@paul> References: <000f01c48599$129ebd20$0100a8c0@bright.net><000e01c4862b$33b608a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7><006f01c48655$879445c0$f1c67040@user> <001101c4865b$9d784f70$6401a8c0@markp6023ftphp> <00a301c4865f$97eaa950$0300a8c0@paul> Message-ID: > near as I can tell, cell phones need towers to work and Portland is > not well > blessed, verizon will work, I had no luck with cenntial. Since I > drive all > over the US, I dug into this, truckers are broke into main groups, > verizon > and ATT, I went to verizon, Utah is dead, but other than that, just > small > pockets that I have found to be dead .. They're dead around my shooting range, about the worst place for a dead spot for me. It picks up just enough to show that it's roaming out of the normal service area, but won't connect. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Thu Aug 19 20:35:56 2004 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:35:56 +0800 Subject: [SEL] New WA oz member References: <20040820005508.53562.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007401c48666$cf862e00$210110ac@service> Hi Graham. Im from a inland country town called Katanning.It is the major central town in our area, about 180kms from Albany. I have been collecting & restoring engines for about six years, a lot of engines & tractors around this area went to scrap dealers in the 1960s & 1970s after the power went through, but i am still managing to find some good restorers out there. Chester Smith Katanning Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Harris" To: Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:55 AM Subject: [SEL] New WA oz member > G'day Chester > > You'll learn a lot here. The list has I think now 4 > members from WA - Exmouth, Albany are 2 I can think > off and there's one other at least. I've been to both > of those with great memories. Let's know where in the > Great Southern you are so I can check if I've been to > your home town as well! > > Cheers > > Graham in (Melbourne, Oz) > > > > Message: 17 > Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:54:40 +0800 > From: "SERVICE" > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T - O.T. Bottlebrush Wood > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Message-ID: <007501c484d7$16e77880$210110ac at service> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Paul, > I am new to this list, and have not posted anything > yet so i > thought id have > a go. I live in what is known as The great southern > region of > Western > Australia, over here we have a variety of bottlebrush > shrubs, i > dont know if > it the same as your after. The shrubs are called this > beacause of > the flower > shape ie: it looks like a bottlebrush.These shrubs > do not grow big enough to be able to make engine > transporters etc > out off. > Chester from WA > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From driggars at earthlink.net Thu Aug 19 21:08:38 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:08:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service References: <000f01c48599$129ebd20$0100a8c0@bright.net><000e01c4862b$33b608a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7><006f01c48655$879445c0$f1c67040@user> <001101c4865b$9d784f70$6401a8c0@markp6023ftphp> Message-ID: <00e001c4866b$60054fc0$5d12e204@clinton> I have a trac fone, works great no matter where I have went Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark L Shattuck" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > What about track phone from wal-mart for 49.95 plus setup fee and buy > minutes they say it works in the US coast to coast no contracts etc > Mark > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Russell" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:32 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > > > > Nextel is absolutely dead, no service. I think the Boss has Sprint or > > Venison and it works there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ivan Cousins" > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" > > > Cc: > > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:29 PM > > Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > > > > > > What cell phone companies service Portland ? We're looking to replace > > our current service , and having a phone that works at Portland would be > > nice ! How about in the area traveling across Ohio to PA from Columbus > > toward Akron and then over into Pa on I 80 . Thanks , Ivan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Thu Aug 19 21:10:01 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:10:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service References: <000f01c48599$129ebd20$0100a8c0@bright.net><000e01c4862b$33b608a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7><006f01c48655$879445c0$f1c67040@user> <001101c4865b$9d784f70$6401a8c0@markp6023ftphp> Message-ID: <009201c4866b$90e27780$801117d1@net.telenet.net> trac phone is a JOKE. They have worse coverage than Nextel (AKA next to NONE) For the best coverage you need to look at Verizon and Cingular (they just bought AT&T Wireless). Or spend some BIG money and buy a satellite phone. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark L Shattuck" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > What about track phone from wal-mart for 49.95 plus setup fee and buy > minutes they say it works in the US coast to coast no contracts etc > Mark > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Russell" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:32 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > > > > Nextel is absolutely dead, no service. I think the Boss has Sprint or > > Venison and it works there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ivan Cousins" > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" > > > Cc: > > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:29 PM > > Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > > > > > > What cell phone companies service Portland ? We're looking to replace > > our current service , and having a phone that works at Portland would be > > nice ! How about in the area traveling across Ohio to PA from Columbus > > toward Akron and then over into Pa on I 80 . Thanks , Ivan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Aug 19 21:21:12 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:21:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland In-Reply-To: <00e001c4866b$60054fc0$5d12e204@clinton> References: <000f01c48599$129ebd20$0100a8c0@bright.net><000e01c4862b$33b608a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7><006f01c48655$879445c0$f1c67040@user> <001101c4865b$9d784f70$6401a8c0@markp6023ftphp> <00e001c4866b$60054fc0$5d12e204@clinton> Message-ID: <41257C38.3050003@scrtc.com> I may have missed the info on the SEL. Who is arriving at Portland to rope off the SEL area? Do you need a count of who will be there? If so, count me in. I'll be there early Wed. morning and will have an engine on trucks that will measure about 6' x 10'. See everyone soon. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 19 21:52:49 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:52:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service References: <000f01c48599$129ebd20$0100a8c0@bright.net><000e01c4862b$33b608a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7><006f01c48655$879445c0$f1c67040@user><001101c4865b$9d784f70$6401a8c0@markp6023ftphp> <009201c4866b$90e27780$801117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <004501c48671$8bc868d0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Beware of Cingular, we have never had an account with them but that did not keep them from putting a $430.00 charge for someone elses cell phone on our AT&T bill. It took 37 phone calls and just over 5 months to get the charges removed. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > trac phone is a JOKE. > They have worse coverage than Nextel (AKA next to NONE) For the best > coverage you need to look at > Verizon and Cingular (they just bought AT&T Wireless). Or spend some BIG > money and buy a satellite phone. > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown NY > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark L Shattuck" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 10:15 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > > > > What about track phone from wal-mart for 49.95 plus setup fee and buy > > minutes they say it works in the US coast to coast no contracts etc > > Mark > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Russell" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > > > > > > > Nextel is absolutely dead, no service. I think the Boss has Sprint > or > > > Venison and it works there. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ivan Cousins" > > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" > > > > > Cc: > > > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:29 PM > > > Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > > > > > > > > > What cell phone companies service Portland ? We're looking to > replace > > > our current service , and having a phone that works at Portland > would be > > > nice ! How about in the area traveling across Ohio to PA from > Columbus > > > toward Akron and then over into Pa on I 80 . Thanks , Ivan > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 19 23:20:15 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:20:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Buying a Foundry Message-ID: Hi Graham, a nice pick up. keep us informed as how you go with it and let us know of any problems you encounter and the remedys you come up with as this will be quite interesting to some of us who are dabbling in back yard foundering. Dave >From: Graham Harris >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Buying a Foundry >Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:19:03 +1000 (EST) > >G'day All > >My son and I went to a sale of house antiques in the >suburbs last weekend, looking for engine bits. None >there, but there was a complete non-ferrous foundry. I >decided that I'd be in it if cheap enough. The outfit >was 2 furnaces with burners) one diesel - a fixed pot >type, 1 ton weight, other is a portable LP gas unit) >crucibles, mould boxes, tools, some green sand and >hard sand & resin consumables, a wobbling sifter & >sieves, sand mixer and a rolling crusher bowl and a >bunch of patterns one of which is a small A/C engine. >I'll keep those for future reference. > >Cost-wise, I think I'll call it the "100 dollar >foundry". The furnaces went for 10 each and the rest >was 80 only because some bloke wanted the sifter and >nothing else, otherwise I'd have got the rest for 10 >as well! I don't think anybody knew what the stuff >was...I couldn't believe it. I'll start by playing >with the sand and making some moulds, then try the >furnaces - ye-haa! > >Cheers > >Graham (down and dirty in the foundry) > > > >Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. >http://au.movies.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Searching for that dream home? Try http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au for all your property needs. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Aug 19 15:11:07 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:11:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland trip report outline References: <4124D5F2.5080307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001501c48692$caf641a0$21121bd3@athlon> When he is done, put the result up for us all to see. There are a lot of those questions I would like to know the answers to as well. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "SEL(new)" Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 2:31 AM Subject: [SEL] Portland trip report outline > Guys and Gals, > 11 year old Devin will be making his second trip to the Portland show > this year. Part of his penance for missing a week of school is he has to > write a trip report for his class. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Aug 20 02:08:40 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:08:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Buying a Foundry References: <20040820011903.47329.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004401c48695$4caa6120$21121bd3@athlon> When ya get it all sorted and you are an expert, I need some stuff made!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Harris" To: Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 11:19 AM Subject: [SEL] Buying a Foundry > G'day All > > My son and I went to a sale of house antiques in the > suburbs last weekend, looking for engine bits. None > there, but there was a complete non-ferrous foundry. I > decided that I'd be in it if cheap enough. The outfit > was 2 furnaces with burners) one diesel - a fixed pot > type, 1 ton weight, other is a portable LP gas unit) > crucibles, mould boxes, tools, some green sand and > hard sand & resin consumables, a wobbling sifter & > sieves, sand mixer and a rolling crusher bowl and a > bunch of patterns one of which is a small A/C engine. > I'll keep those for future reference. > > Cost-wise, I think I'll call it the "100 dollar > foundry". The furnaces went for 10 each and the rest > was 80 only because some bloke wanted the sifter and > nothing else, otherwise I'd have got the rest for 10 > as well! I don't think anybody knew what the stuff > was...I couldn't believe it. I'll start by playing > with the sand and making some moulds, then try the > furnaces - ye-haa! > > Cheers > > Graham (down and dirty in the foundry) > > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mtucker at uky.edu Fri Aug 20 08:05:32 2004 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:05:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland trip report outline In-Reply-To: <4124D5F2.5080307@imc-group.com> References: <4124D5F2.5080307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: >We are looking forward to your suggestions. >Thanks, >Curt, Missy, & Devin Holland Curt, How 'bout furthest distance traveled in the US to get there? Furthest distance from another country? How far did he travel to get there and through which states? Oldest engine that he see's? How many spectators do they expect to come through the gates per day and for the entire show? I bet from a director he could get that info and info concerning the economic impact on the city of Portland. See ya', Mike PS. Although Rob's suggestions are good and may even be considered "need to know information," I'm not sure that the answers should be included in the report! -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From curt at imc-group.com Fri Aug 20 08:30:38 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:30:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland trip report outline References: <4124D5F2.5080307@imc-group.com> <001501c48692$caf641a0$21121bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <4126191E.7020506@imc-group.com> Reg, No doubt you are looking for answers to the questions about the Amish girls! Didn't you manage to cuddle a few of these gals while visiting? :-) Curt Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: >There are a lot of questions I would like to know the answers to. > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Aug 20 08:41:27 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:41:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland trip report outline References: <4124D5F2.5080307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <41261BA7.6060704@imc-group.com> Mike, Not even the part where we let him sample the beer? Think DSS would let this slide? You are probably correct about the Amish girls. Time to teach him about discretion, ya know, don't kiss and tell..... Curt Michael Tucker wrote: >> We are looking forward to your suggestions. >> Thanks, >> Curt, Missy, & Devin Holland > > > Curt, > > How 'bout furthest distance traveled in the US to get there? Furthest > distance from another country? How far did he travel to get there and > through which states? Oldest engine that he see's? How many > spectators do they expect to come through the gates per day and for > the entire show? I bet from a director he could get that info and > info concerning the economic impact on the city of Portland. > > See ya', > Mike > > PS. Although Rob's suggestions are good and may even be considered > "need to know information," I'm not sure that the answers should be > included in the report! From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Fri Aug 20 14:08:04 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:08:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Devin at Portland Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A701E1A3A8@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >We are looking forward to your suggestions. >Thanks, >Curt, Missy, & Devin Holland >Gastonia, NC Curt, Have him ask why the hell school starts in the middle of summer. Well, maybe not in those words, but a good question, nonetheless. Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Fri Aug 20 14:15:48 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:15:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] cell phone Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A701E1A3C7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >Yeah, Verizon works there. I'm thoroughly pissed at Verizon for bad >customer service and have put them on notice that my contract will not >be renewed, though. >John Culp John, If it works, don't jump before you know the alternative works. )*()^# Sprint works within about 100 feet of an interstate, usually but not always. Get off that and it's analog roam at over 90 cents a minute, if anything at all works. It won't even work in my own house. There should be - and I hear will be next year - legal provision that lets you try it for a certain amount of time to find out if it meets your needs, without finding yourself in a multi-year contract to do so. If this comes about, some of them (all of them?) will HAVE to shape up. Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Fri Aug 20 17:40:05 2004 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:40:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Buying a Foundry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It is certainly a good buy, I had about $300 in my furnice because I used a commercial refractory, of course I made everything else... Does anyone on here have any experience in pouring cast iron? Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ On Fri, 20 Aug 2004, David Nicolson wrote: > Hi Graham, a nice pick up. keep us informed as how you go with it and let us > know of any problems you encounter and the remedys you come up with as this > will be quite interesting to some of us who are dabbling in back yard > foundering. Dave > > > >From: Graham Harris > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >Subject: [SEL] Buying a Foundry > >Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:19:03 +1000 (EST) > > > >G'day All > > > >My son and I went to a sale of house antiques in the > >suburbs last weekend, looking for engine bits. None > >there, but there was a complete non-ferrous foundry. I > >decided that I'd be in it if cheap enough. The outfit > >was 2 furnaces with burners) one diesel - a fixed pot > >type, 1 ton weight, other is a portable LP gas unit) > >crucibles, mould boxes, tools, some green sand and > >hard sand & resin consumables, a wobbling sifter & > >sieves, sand mixer and a rolling crusher bowl and a > >bunch of patterns one of which is a small A/C engine. > >I'll keep those for future reference. > > > >Cost-wise, I think I'll call it the "100 dollar > >foundry". The furnaces went for 10 each and the rest > >was 80 only because some bloke wanted the sifter and > >nothing else, otherwise I'd have got the rest for 10 > >as well! I don't think anybody knew what the stuff > >was...I couldn't believe it. I'll start by playing > >with the sand and making some moulds, then try the > >furnaces - ye-haa! > > > >Cheers > > > >Graham (down and dirty in the foundry) > > > > > > > >Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > >http://au.movies.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Searching for that dream home? Try http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au for > all your property needs. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 20 16:04:52 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:04:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New WA oz member References: <20040820005508.53562.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com> <007401c48666$cf862e00$210110ac@service> Message-ID: <005c01c4870a$1f0ec1a0$726c8e42@domainnotset.invalid> a lot of engines & tractors around this area > went to scrap dealers in the 1960s & 1970s after the power went through, but > i am still managing to find some good restorers out there. > Chester Smith > the price of scrap over the last few months didnt do em any good either No dice so far but I have been paying regular visits to the local pile Its amazing how much stuff was moving there at the beginning Welcome aboard Chester Chuck From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Fri Aug 20 17:29:00 2004 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:29:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Buying a Foundry Message-ID: G'day Graham, Sounds like a great buy to me mate--well done. Casting is the last frontier for us engineheads. Most of us fabricate, machine and do all other kinds of things to get our engines restored but to be able to cast items as well is the ultimate. A good friend of mine has built a very good LP fired furnace and has done bronze bearings in it. Please keep us all informed of your progress. Any chance of some pics of you purchase mate. Good luck in the foundry. Regards, Lyndsay . >From: Graham Harris >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Buying a Foundry >Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:19:03 +1000 (EST) > >G'day All > >My son and I went to a sale of house antiques in the >suburbs last weekend, looking for engine bits. None >there, but there was a complete non-ferrous foundry. I >decided that I'd be in it if cheap enough. The outfit >was 2 furnaces with burners) one diesel - a fixed pot >type, 1 ton weight, other is a portable LP gas unit) >crucibles, mould boxes, tools, some green sand and >hard sand & resin consumables, a wobbling sifter & >sieves, sand mixer and a rolling crusher bowl and a >bunch of patterns one of which is a small A/C engine. >I'll keep those for future reference. > >Cost-wise, I think I'll call it the "100 dollar >foundry". The furnaces went for 10 each and the rest >was 80 only because some bloke wanted the sifter and >nothing else, otherwise I'd have got the rest for 10 >as well! I don't think anybody knew what the stuff >was...I couldn't believe it. I'll start by playing >with the sand and making some moulds, then try the >furnaces - ye-haa! > >Cheers > >Graham (down and dirty in the foundry) > > > >Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. >http://au.movies.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Find love today with ninemsn personals. Click here: http://ninemsn.match.com?referrer=hotmailtagline From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Fri Aug 20 17:36:55 2004 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:36:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New WA oz member Message-ID: Welcome Chester, Good to hear we have another OZ member on board. I am sure you will enjoy the list. They are a great bunch of people and always willing to help each other. Kind Regards, Lyndsay in VIC >From: "SERVICE" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] New WA oz member >Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:35:56 +0800 > > >Hi Graham. >Im from a inland country town called Katanning.It is the major central town >in our area, about 180kms from Albany. I have been collecting & restoring >engines for about six years, a lot of engines & tractors around this area >went to scrap dealers in the 1960s & 1970s after the power went through, >but >i am still managing to find some good restorers out there. >Chester Smith >Katanning >Western Australia > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Graham Harris" >To: >Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:55 AM >Subject: [SEL] New WA oz member > > > > G'day Chester > > > > You'll learn a lot here. The list has I think now 4 > > members from WA - Exmouth, Albany are 2 I can think > > off and there's one other at least. I've been to both > > of those with great memories. Let's know where in the > > Great Southern you are so I can check if I've been to > > your home town as well! > > > > Cheers > > > > Graham in (Melbourne, Oz) > > > > > > > > Message: 17 > > Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:54:40 +0800 > > From: "SERVICE" > > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T - O.T. Bottlebrush Wood > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > > Message-ID: <007501c484d7$16e77880$210110ac at service> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Hi Paul, > > I am new to this list, and have not posted anything > > yet so i > > thought id have > > a go. I live in what is known as The great southern > > region of > > Western > > Australia, over here we have a variety of bottlebrush > > shrubs, i > > dont know if > > it the same as your after. The shrubs are called this > > beacause of > > the flower > > shape ie: it looks like a bottlebrush.These shrubs > > do not grow big enough to be able to make engine > > transporters etc > > out off. > > Chester from WA > > > > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ In the market for a car? Buy, sell or browse at CarPoint: http://server-au.imrworldwide.com/cgi-bin/b?cg=link&ci=ninemsn&tu=http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au?refid=hotmail_tagline From ivancou at usachoice.net Fri Aug 20 20:01:18 2004 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:01:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: [AT] OT ! Portland cell service References: <20040820135419.70803.qmail@web40614.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003a01c4872b$22cb2a60$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Thanks for the input ! After dinner tonight I took the wife along ,did I mention this was her idea to begin with , and we went to the phone store . Verizon seems to have the best comments so they got a big chunk of my parts money that was reserved for Portland . Now for the learning curve to figure out how to work the @#% thing . Oh wait , turn the book over ,the other side is in English ! whew ! BTW what language is this : Manual del Usuario Spanish ? Ivan From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Aug 20 15:40:41 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 08:40:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland trip report outline References: <4124D5F2.5080307@imc-group.com><001501c48692$caf641a0$21121bd3@athlon> <4126191E.7020506@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001e01c4875d$c009ea00$4a121bd3@athlon> Most of em I saw there were too butt ugly!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 1:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland trip report outline > Reg, > No doubt you are looking for answers to the questions about the Amish girls! > Didn't you manage to cuddle a few of these gals while visiting? :-) > Curt > > Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > > >There are a lot of questions I would like to know the answers to. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Aug 21 14:25:32 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 07:25:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] For Helen Message-ID: <001501c487c5$683c35e0$3c0d1bd3@athlon> Still not getting through. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > ... Deferred > Message could not be delivered for 5 days > Message will be deleted from queue > From pwaugh at mchsi.com Sat Aug 21 15:41:08 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 17:41:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT .. cell phone References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A701E1A3C7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: <002b01c487cf$f39d7860$0300a8c0@paul> John you must have got hold of bad one, remember you live in the mountains, and rest of world does not, yeah I get pissed at there little man that says, 'can you hear me now' ,, but wife has centennial and I will take verizon any day, oh Portland has 4 bars of service and I can surf the net with verizon at Portland, .. customer service has been great with problem solving, I just can not use it at my house ha-ha Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Younger" To: Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 4:15 PM Subject: [SEL] cell phone > >Yeah, Verizon works there. I'm thoroughly pissed at Verizon for bad > >customer service and have put them on notice that my contract will not > >be renewed, though. > > >John Culp > > John, > If it works, don't jump before you know the alternative works. )*()^# > Sprint works within about 100 feet of an interstate, usually but not > always. Get off that and it's analog roam at over 90 cents a minute, if > anything at all works. It won't even work in my own house. > There should be - and I hear will be next year - legal provision that > lets you try it for a certain amount of time to find out if it meets > your needs, without finding yourself in a multi-year contract to do so. > If this comes about, some of them (all of them?) will HAVE to shape up. > > Bruce Younger > Lenexa, Kansas USA > mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: > > This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From yostsw at atis.net Sat Aug 21 16:58:55 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:58:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Arnie In-Reply-To: <001501c487c5$683c35e0$3c0d1bd3@athlon> References: <001501c487c5$683c35e0$3c0d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <200408211958550859.2B17E48D@heavyiron.atis.net> Do the folks on the list know whether Has Arnie Fero gone to Portland or is he still at home and will possibly see an email I sent him a little while ago? Spencer From avanti_64 at juno.com Sat Aug 21 17:30:49 2004 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (Joe Kelley) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:30:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Arnie Message-ID: <20040821.203052.-492259.0.avanti_64@juno.com> Spencer, I think he and Dave Rotigel are at Portland.. Joe Kelley On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:58:55 -0400 "Spencer Yost" writes: > Do the folks on the list know whether Has Arnie Fero gone to Portland > or is > he still at home and will possibly see an email I sent him a little > while > ago? > > Spencer > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From bercar at shenhgts.net Sat Aug 21 17:58:00 2004 From: bercar at shenhgts.net (Bernie) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:58:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] williams grove In-Reply-To: <200408211958550859.2B17E48D@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Anyone know when the sale is at williams grove in mechanicsburg PA????? Thanks Bernie From glenn.karch at gte.net Sat Aug 21 18:35:15 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:35:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Arnie References: <001501c487c5$683c35e0$3c0d1bd3@athlon> <200408211958550859.2B17E48D@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <001301c487e8$48842a00$ba29ea41@oemcomputer> Spencer, Dave and Arnie have gone to Baraboo, WI this week end if I remember correctly. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spencer Yost" To: Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 6:58 PM Subject: [SEL] Arnie > Do the folks on the list know whether Has Arnie Fero gone to Portland or is > he still at home and will possibly see an email I sent him a little while > ago? > > Spencer > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sat Aug 21 17:20:54 2004 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:20:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Arnie In-Reply-To: <200408211958550859.2B17E48D@heavyiron.atis.net> References: <001501c487c5$683c35e0$3c0d1bd3@athlon> <200408211958550859.2B17E48D@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040821192033.01ee9e70@mail.herculesengines.com> I think he and Dave are at Baraboo. Keith At 06:58 PM 8/21/2004, you wrote: >Do the folks on the list know whether Has Arnie Fero gone to Portland or is >he still at home and will possibly see an email I sent him a little while >ago? > >Spencer > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From skipl at montana.com Sat Aug 21 20:23:09 2004 From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:23:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] williams grove References: Message-ID: <4128119C.36F8E134@montana.com> it used to be on saturday years ago. skip in nw montana Bernie wrote: > Anyone know when the sale is at williams grove in mechanicsburg PA????? > > Thanks > > Bernie > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pwaugh at mchsi.com Sat Aug 21 20:44:19 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:44:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Arnie References: <001501c487c5$683c35e0$3c0d1bd3@athlon> <200408211958550859.2B17E48D@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <001301c487fa$4e233340$0300a8c0@paul> I did not see them as of 2:00 today at Portland Paul W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spencer Yost" To: Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 6:58 PM Subject: [SEL] Arnie > Do the folks on the list know whether Has Arnie Fero gone to Portland or is > he still at home and will possibly see an email I sent him a little while > ago? > > Spencer > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Aug 22 01:52:00 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:52:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Arnie References: <001501c487c5$683c35e0$3c0d1bd3@athlon> <200408211958550859.2B17E48D@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <009d01c48825$8b65f960$3c0d1bd3@athlon> Mate, I reckon they are ALL away at shows now. And I flamin wish I was there too!!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spencer Yost" To: Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: [SEL] Arnie > Do the folks on the list know whether Has Arnie Fero gone to Portland or is > he still at home and will possibly see an email I sent him a little while > ago? > > Spencer > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pwaugh at mchsi.com Sun Aug 22 05:34:39 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 07:34:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Arnie References: <001501c487c5$683c35e0$3c0d1bd3@athlon><200408211958550859.2B17E48D@heavyiron.atis.net> <009d01c48825$8b65f960$3c0d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <002001c48844$6803a700$0300a8c0@paul> We are thinking of you .. NEXT YEAR!! I can get on line down there , so will post updates hahaha Paul W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 3:52 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie > Mate, I reckon they are ALL away at shows now. And I flamin wish I was there > too!!!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Spencer Yost" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 9:58 AM > Subject: [SEL] Arnie > > > > Do the folks on the list know whether Has Arnie Fero gone to Portland or > is > > he still at home and will possibly see an email I sent him a little while > > ago? > > > > Spencer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From wmrohrer at myactv.net Sun Aug 22 07:23:36 2004 From: wmrohrer at myactv.net (Mike Rohrer) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:23:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Williams grove In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200408221423.i7MENfst070234@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> It's the Saturday before Labor Day. It starts around 8:00 AM Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, MD -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bernie Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 8:58 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] williams grove Anyone know when the sale is at williams grove in mechanicsburg PA????? Thanks Bernie _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bercar at shenhgts.net Sun Aug 22 07:34:27 2004 From: bercar at shenhgts.net (Bernie) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:34:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Williams grove In-Reply-To: <200408221423.i7MENfst070234@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: mike, the 4th???? -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Mike Rohrer Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 10:24 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] Williams grove It's the Saturday before Labor Day. It starts around 8:00 AM Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, MD -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bernie Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 8:58 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] williams grove Anyone know when the sale is at williams grove in mechanicsburg PA????? Thanks Bernie _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bercar at shenhgts.net Sun Aug 22 07:34:27 2004 From: bercar at shenhgts.net (Bernie) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:34:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] williams grove In-Reply-To: <4128119C.36F8E134@montana.com> Message-ID: Skip, Im taking a guess that its the 4th, but i want to know for sure, and i want to know for sure if there will even be a sale. Dont want to go prepared to buy and find out i missed it or there not having it. Thanks Bernie -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of skip landis Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 11:23 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] williams grove it used to be on saturday years ago. skip in nw montana Bernie wrote: > Anyone know when the sale is at williams grove in mechanicsburg PA????? > > Thanks > > Bernie > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From yostsw at atis.net Sun Aug 22 08:39:20 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 11:39:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Arnie In-Reply-To: <002001c48844$6803a700$0300a8c0@paul> References: <001501c487c5$683c35e0$3c0d1bd3@athlon> <200408211958550859.2B17E48D@heavyiron.atis.net> <009d01c48825$8b65f960$3c0d1bd3@athlon> <002001c48844$6803a700$0300a8c0@paul> Message-ID: <200408221139200359.0049A2C4@heavyiron.atis.net> Thanks to all, I appreciate the info. I have left a message for Arnie on his phone. Spencer From namhel at supernet.com Sun Aug 22 13:53:41 2004 From: namhel at supernet.com (LYNN LEHMAN) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:53:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] williams grove Message-ID: <410-220048022205341639@supernet.com> Bernie, Go to www.williamsgrovesteam.org From namhel at supernet.com Sun Aug 22 14:05:27 2004 From: namhel at supernet.com (LYNN LEHMAN) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:05:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] williams grove Message-ID: <410-22004802221527654@supernet.com> It is sat sept 4 @ 8:00 From wmrohrer at myactv.net Sun Aug 22 15:15:49 2004 From: wmrohrer at myactv.net (Mike Rohrer) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:15:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Williams grove In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200408222215.i7MMFvst065616@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Yes it is the 4th it starts at 8:00 AM. Come early to look. They will run up to 5 auctioneers at one time. I will be there Saturday for the sale Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, MD -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bernie Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 10:34 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Williams grove mike, the 4th???? -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Mike Rohrer Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 10:24 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] Williams grove It's the Saturday before Labor Day. It starts around 8:00 AM Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, MD -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bernie Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 8:58 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] williams grove Anyone know when the sale is at williams grove in mechanicsburg PA????? Thanks Bernie _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rexhinz at chorus.net Sun Aug 22 15:45:48 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:45:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Arnie References: <001501c487c5$683c35e0$3c0d1bd3@athlon><200408211958550859.2B17E48D@heavyiron.atis.net><009d01c48825$8b65f960$3c0d1bd3@athlon><002001c48844$6803a700$0300a8c0@paul> <200408221139200359.0049A2C4@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <001701c48899$c63cbe60$2486a5d8@mycomputer> Hey Spencer ; Arnie.and Dave should be on their way to Portland soon they were going to leave Baraboo Sunday afternoon Aug. 22 nd, We had a good time at the Badger Show, We had a Special ATIS area roped off ,got to meet Dave , Arnie,Spencer and Steve Miller from the list also the show was very successful and a great time Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spencer Yost" To: Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie > Thanks to all, I appreciate the info. I have left a message for Arnie on > his phone. > > Spencer > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Sun Aug 22 20:47:57 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:47:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] cell phone In-Reply-To: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A701E1A3C7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: <004001c488c3$febc73a0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> You already, by law, have 3 business days to cancel. Better than nuttin'. >>have put them on notice that my contract will not >be renewed, though.<< Get real - you REALLY think they CARE? The big nationals don't give a rat's behind. Just like the big banks. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Younger Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 4:16 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] cell phone >Yeah, Verizon works there. I'm thoroughly pissed at Verizon for bad >customer service and have put them on notice that my contract will not >be renewed, though. >John Culp John, If it works, don't jump before you know the alternative works. )*()^# Sprint works within about 100 feet of an interstate, usually but not always. Get off that and it's analog roam at over 90 cents a minute, if anything at all works. It won't even work in my own house. There should be - and I hear will be next year - legal provision that lets you try it for a certain amount of time to find out if it meets your needs, without finding yourself in a multi-year contract to do so. If this comes about, some of them (all of them?) will HAVE to shape up. Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Aug 23 07:28:17 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:28:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] cell phone In-Reply-To: <004001c488c3$febc73a0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> References: <004001c488c3$febc73a0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: >>> have put them on notice that my contract will not >> be renewed, though.<< > > Get real - you REALLY think they CARE? > The big nationals don't give a rat's behind. Just like the big banks. Yeah, I know that. I also remember how, when Jane and I went to the store to see if we could add a couple of phones for the kids phones onto our Verizon contract ( they said we couldn't and had to take out a new one) I inquired about cancelling the one-phone contract I already had and taking out a new one to cover three. They had changed our one-year contract we thought we'd signed to a 2-year one. The guy said he'd "try to work it out" with his "bosses in Florida." He was having a great time on the phone with them, cutting up and laughing at us. A real bastard. And of course, he'd "tried everything, but they just couldn't help us." As for the notification, it's required. If you don't give them a written notice of nonrenewal, I believe it's 90 days before expiration, they'll automatically renew your contract. That's what had happened to us before. So I'd've had to pay a whopping termination fee. And the phone I've got broke a hinge and can't be repaired. They just want to sell me a new one at full price. I don't care if the phone service isn't as good, I don't want to deal with Verizon any more. They're dishonest and evil. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Mon Aug 23 08:09:48 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:09:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Butt Ugly Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A701E1A687@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>>Most of em I saw there were too butt ugly!! >>>Reg & Marg Ingold. In reference to the above, Reg, do you not have a light switch, or a puff of breath to blow out a candle? Our secretary insists that handsome is just a light switch away. Darn Portland week - we will have to entertain ourselves. I should not let it amuse me so, but a year or two back in northern Missouri, up 'tween me and Twin, there was a fatality at a high school graduation party. Not unusual, unfortunately - a lad got liquored up and drove into a pond and died. We in the English world are used to it, but this was an Amish lad who rode his horse into the pond... Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 23 13:08:49 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:08:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] cell phone References: <004001c488c3$febc73a0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <001101c4894d$01d57530$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Hi John, we have had just the opposite experiance here, Verizon couldn't be any better, unless it was free :) I think your problem lies with your local store. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] cell phone >>>> have put them on notice that my contract will not >>> be renewed, though.<< >> >> Get real - you REALLY think they CARE? >> The big nationals don't give a rat's behind. Just like the big banks. > > Yeah, I know that. I also remember how, when Jane and I went to the store > to see if we could add a couple of phones for the kids phones onto our > Verizon contract ( they said we couldn't and had to take out a new one) I > inquired about cancelling the one-phone contract I already had and taking > out a new one to cover three. They had changed our one-year contract we > thought we'd signed to a 2-year one. The guy said he'd "try to work it > out" with his "bosses in Florida." He was having a great time on the phone > with them, cutting up and laughing at us. A real bastard. And of course, > he'd "tried everything, but they just couldn't help us." As for the > notification, it's required. If you don't give them a written notice of > nonrenewal, I believe it's 90 days before expiration, they'll > automatically renew your contract. That's what had happened to us before. > So I'd've had to pay a whopping termination fee. And the phone I've got > broke a hinge and can't be repaired. They just want to sell me a new one > at full price. I don't care if the phone service isn't as good, I don't > want to deal with Verizon any more. They're dishonest and evil. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Aug 23 15:18:05 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:18:05 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Butt Ugly References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A701E1A687@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: <00ab01c489b6$3e749f20$07111bd3@athlon> > In reference to the above, Reg, do you not have a > light switch, or a puff of breath to blow out a candle? > Our secretary insists that handsome is just a light > switch away. Yes mate but, the sun comes up in the morning and I dont want to gnaw my arm off to avoid waking her!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Aug 24 05:17:46 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:17:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! Message-ID: <9BB5D684-F5C7-11D8-96EB-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> I'm sorry I'm missing the Portland show, but it's really worked out for the best that I'm still here. Had to take Jane to the ER with abdominal pain last night and was there all night with her while she got lots of tests. She's admitted to a surgeon I respect highly. He's keeping an eye on her; doesn't look like she's going under the knife, but will probably be in at least another day. Hope y'all have fun up there! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Aug 24 06:57:56 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:57:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! References: <9BB5D684-F5C7-11D8-96EB-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: Give her our best wishes, John!!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 6:17 AM Subject: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! > I'm sorry I'm missing the Portland show, but it's really worked out for > the best that I'm still here. Had to take Jane to the ER with abdominal > pain last night and was there all night with her while she got lots of > tests. She's admitted to a surgeon I respect highly. He's keeping an > eye on her; doesn't look like she's going under the knife, but will > probably be in at least another day. Hope y'all have fun up there! > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Aug 24 08:52:49 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:52:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! In-Reply-To: References: <9BB5D684-F5C7-11D8-96EB-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: Thanks, Rick! John On Aug 24, 2004, at 9:57 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > Give her our best wishes, John!!! > > RickinMt. > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Culp" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 6:17 AM > Subject: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! > > >> I'm sorry I'm missing the Portland show, but it's really worked out >> for >> the best that I'm still here. Had to take Jane to the ER with >> abdominal >> pain last night and was there all night with her while she got lots of >> tests. She's admitted to a surgeon I respect highly. He's keeping an >> eye on her; doesn't look like she's going under the knife, but will >> probably be in at least another day. Hope y'all have fun up there! >> >> John Culp >> Bristol, Tennessee, USA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From don.h at wcoil.com Tue Aug 24 10:29:16 2004 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:29:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! References: <9BB5D684-F5C7-11D8-96EB-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <000501c489ff$e1d2a240$6401a8c0@shop> Looks like some one was on you side Bro John Hope the boss gets home real soon She been eating to much of that hot stuff out of the garden.I,m not at portland its too much walking for me when the aurthor kicks up which seems to be all the time. Have the Harley for sale just cant ride it to far with my hip driveing me crazy so I guess it means FOR SALE maybe a new guitar would help the aurthor hi hi Tell everyone to get well Don in Ohio I have a air colled LIster Desel for sale if you no anyone interested would even trade for another toy ?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 8:17 AM Subject: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! > I'm sorry I'm missing the Portland show, but it's really worked out for > the best that I'm still here. Had to take Jane to the ER with abdominal > pain last night and was there all night with her while she got lots of > tests. She's admitted to a surgeon I respect highly. He's keeping an > eye on her; doesn't look like she's going under the knife, but will > probably be in at least another day. Hope y'all have fun up there! > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From BillMil357 at aol.com Tue Aug 24 10:39:02 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:39:02 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! Message-ID: <55.5f9037c2.2e5cd736@aol.com> HI John; Sorry about Jane, hope she gets back on her feet real soon and will be praying for her. See ya, Bill Miller Memphis, TN. From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 24 14:10:07 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:10:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! References: <9BB5D684-F5C7-11D8-96EB-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <000c01c48a1e$bc7f2e40$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Hi John, best of luck to Jane , as it turns out, the decision not to go to Portland has worked out well for Jen and I as well. Sunday morning, Jen's father Bill passed away, he was 87 and will be sorely missed. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 7:17 AM Subject: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! > I'm sorry I'm missing the Portland show, but it's really worked out for > the best that I'm still here. Had to take Jane to the ER with abdominal > pain last night and was there all night with her while she got lots of > tests. She's admitted to a surgeon I respect highly. He's keeping an eye > on her; doesn't look like she's going under the knife, but will probably > be in at least another day. Hope y'all have fun up there! > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Aug 24 16:39:30 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:39:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! In-Reply-To: <000c01c48a1e$bc7f2e40$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <9BB5D684-F5C7-11D8-96EB-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <000c01c48a1e$bc7f2e40$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: Thank you all for the kind thoughts and prayers for Jane. She seemed to be getting better today and the surgeon considered letting her go home around suppertime, but she ran a bit of fever, started hurting again and is spending another night at least. Ted, I'm sorry to hear about Jennifer's dad. I'll pray for y'all. Don, I've still got my Harley for sale. This is race weekend in Bristol, so maybe some rich, slightly intoxicated racegoer'll decide he's just gotta have it right now, hang the cost! I'm not really in the market for bikes or guitars right now, but am building up a collection of well used old European milsurp rifles. a Turkish M38 Mauser's due to arrive tomorrow, and danged if Century Arms didn't just E-mail to let me know they're about to have some Turkish 1893s and 1903s for sale shortly. ARRRGH! Jane's been rubbing it in lately about how I could've been a cardiologist... John From mrengine at comcast.net Tue Aug 24 17:44:56 2004 From: mrengine at comcast.net (mrengine at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:44:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Banner engine Message-ID: <082520040044.4102.412BE1080003D5CE0000100622007507840A020709020A9D03@comcast.net> Who made the Banner engines? Thanks Frank From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 24 18:28:42 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:28:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Weather? Message-ID: <00d801c48a42$de001b00$210110ac@VAIO> Is there anyone that lives in Portland or close to Portland that can give me a weather report, I am leaving early in the morning heading that way. Paul From skipl at montana.com Tue Aug 24 19:45:30 2004 From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:45:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Banner engine References: <082520040044.4102.412BE1080003D5CE0000100622007507840A020709020A9D03@comcast.net> Message-ID: <412BFD4A.8A334376@montana.com> my guess would be waterloo. mrengine at comcast.net wrote: > Who made the Banner engines? Thanks Frank > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From asouth at strato.net Tue Aug 24 19:38:01 2004 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:38:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Images of Hurricane Charlie's Handy Work. Message-ID: <00bb01c48a4c$8b22d580$1c22d7cc@Arthur> Hello folks, To see some pictures of Hurricane Charlie's handy work on bro. Don's place and my place, click on the URL below. Charlie caused me to miss Portland, *&&^%$$# ! try this URL http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mr_nocatee/album?.dir=cf1d&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mr_nocatee/my_photos If this one doesn't work for you, try http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee, then look for the album named "Charlie's aftermath", double click on it and you should be able to view 90 images. I'll admit up front, my damage wasn't as bad as some. But, it was devastating to me. Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From pwaugh at mchsi.com Tue Aug 24 20:17:16 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:17:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Weather? References: <00d801c48a42$de001b00$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <000701c48a52$0ae88b20$a6d990a6@PaulLaptop> I am at Portland .. should start raining anytime and 40% for next 2-3 days .. a wet Portland, imagine that Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland Weather? > Is there anyone that lives in Portland or close to Portland that can give me > a weather report, I am leaving early in the morning heading that way. > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Aug 24 20:26:25 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:26:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Weather? Message-ID: <20040824.233052.880.8.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Paul, Go to www.weather.com and punch in 47371 zip code. Portland, IN 76?F Mostly CloudyFeels Like 78?F UV Index:0 Low Dew Point:70?F Humidity:82% Visibility:10.0 meters Pressure:29.97 inches and falling Wind:From the South at 13.9 kts Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:28:42 -0500 writes: > Is there anyone that lives in Portland or close to Portland that can > give me > a weather report, I am leaving early in the morning heading that > way. > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Aug 24 20:35:35 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:35:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - another question.... Message-ID: <00b001c48a54$9891bb70$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Sort of engine related, I suppose. First, thanks to all who responded on the camper question. After talking with friends and the comments from the list members, looks like we'll wait until spring and go for a non-5th wheel hitch camper. As was mentioned, where would I put anything on the trip over or back if using it for a show? And we found that if you watch for "show specials" and such, one can buy new for not a lot more than used. So we're going to pass on this one for sale up the road, nice as it is. We'll wait. On to the next question. 11 LARGE dump-truck loads of dirt/clay later and looking for probably 7 or 8 more, I'm getting the back yard built up a bit. Goal - fill the "swamp" and make a good place to park stuff like trailers, etc. and my wife says "why not put yourself up a building while you are at it and this time don't make it too small". Much of the dirt work was done using my JD 425 lawn tractor with a home-made front blade. Took about 8 hours and 3 or 4 tanks of gas and some welding of the blade brackets a few times, but getting there. Neighbor borrowed a 4010 JD with a rear blade and helped tonight. The only thing - what sort of building should I be considering? Now the timing is quite a ways off - at least a year, but need to decide a size and type so I know how to prepare the site. I figure probably about 24' x 24', Barbara says to build it with a large overhang on the east side to put my steel wheels, horse drawn mower and such under out of the rain. There is a nice metal building with such an overhang, what do you call the barn-style roof - gambrel or whatever? Should it be a Wood or metal building? Roof type? Hip or other? Building the site up good so it will stay dry - when it rains hard we take on about a half mile's worth of rain water from the fields to the east of us - it turns the back yard into a creek. Also need to tile......... So far the "pad" and drive extension is about 4 to 5 feet high off the yard. That clay/dirt packs hard! Once you drive on it a blade won't touch it. Will probably move the tractor (F20) to the new area, put Barbara's eventual Model A in the main garage where the F20 is now. Lawn and garden stuff will go there, making more room for my engines and shop stuff. May put the big Chapman out there when it's done (if I ever get it done!) This is taking a LOT of dirt - possibly up to 20 loads, plus black dirt later to taper it off and plant grass. Bill Runnells, IA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 24 20:48:45 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:48:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Weather? References: <00d801c48a42$de001b00$210110ac@VAIO> <000701c48a52$0ae88b20$a6d990a6@PaulLaptop> Message-ID: <010f01c48a56$6ef35d80$210110ac@VAIO> Thanks Paul, what would Portland be without the rain? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Weather? >I am at Portland .. should start raining anytime and 40% for next 2-3 days > .. a wet Portland, imagine that > > Paul > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Stationary Engine List" > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 8:28 PM > Subject: [SEL] Portland Weather? > > >> Is there anyone that lives in Portland or close to Portland that can give > me >> a weather report, I am leaving early in the morning heading that way. >> >> Paul >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 24 20:52:47 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:52:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Weather? References: <20040824.233052.880.8.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <012301c48a56$feee30e0$210110ac@VAIO> Thanks Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Weather? > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Aug 25 02:31:29 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:31:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Weather? References: <00d801c48a42$de001b00$210110ac@VAIO><000701c48a52$0ae88b20$a6d990a6@PaulLaptop> <010f01c48a56$6ef35d80$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <008f01c48a86$50ebd4e0$6e0d1bd3@athlon> Dry?? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Weather? > Thanks Paul, what would Portland be without the rain? > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:17 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Weather? > > > >I am at Portland .. should start raining anytime and 40% for next 2-3 days > > .. a wet Portland, imagine that > > > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "Stationary Engine List" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 8:28 PM > > Subject: [SEL] Portland Weather? > > > > > >> Is there anyone that lives in Portland or close to Portland that can give > > me > >> a weather report, I am leaving early in the morning heading that way. > >> > >> Paul > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pwaugh at mchsi.com Wed Aug 25 03:53:11 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 05:53:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Update References: <00d801c48a42$de001b00$210110ac@VAIO><000701c48a52$0ae88b20$a6d990a6@PaulLaptop> <010f01c48a56$6ef35d80$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <002f01c48a91$bbc2bfd0$68c390a6@PaulLaptop> Howdy We did not get wet!!! .. storm got within 50 mi and just blew up, disappeared, gut anther on way for later today .. campground is full in our area, with prolly 15-16 of us in here, and then there are the motel bunch, I would safely say there are 25 here so far .. Jimmy Dunmyer, Dave, Arnie, Steve Weber, Briceson, Kevin, Leroy, hell can't list them all .. I know I went to bed at 11 and 'camp talk' was still going .. John, hope all goes well with Jane have a great day Paul W ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Weather? > Thanks Paul, what would Portland be without the rain? > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:17 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Weather? > > > >I am at Portland .. should start raining anytime and 40% for next 2-3 days > > .. a wet Portland, imagine that > > > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "Stationary Engine List" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 8:28 PM > > Subject: [SEL] Portland Weather? > > > > > >> Is there anyone that lives in Portland or close to Portland that can give > > me > >> a weather report, I am leaving early in the morning heading that way. > >> > >> Paul > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Aug 25 04:48:33 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:48:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Banner engine References: <082520040044.4102.412BE1080003D5CE0000100622007507840A020709020A9D03@comcast.net> Message-ID: <004501c48a99$7494ba70$9ae031d2@km> G'Day Frank The BRB list of engine manufactures (at back of book) lists Banner Engine Co Lansing Mich, but shows no pictures Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines > Who made the Banner engines? Thanks Frank From asouth at strato.net Wed Aug 25 04:54:50 2004 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:54:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Charlie's Handy work Message-ID: <002901c48a9a$5499d1a0$2422d7cc@Arthur> Hello list, I sent this yesterday to Slick, SEL & Tractor lists. The only one I received it on was the tractor list. Anyone have any ideas as to why I can't post to Slick ? I receive the messages of others on Slick. ???? Hello folks, To see some pictures of Hurricane Charlie's handy work on bro. Don's place and my place, click on the URL below. Charlie caused me to miss Portland, *&&^%$$# ! try this URL http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mr_nocatee/album?.dir=cf1d&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mr_nocatee/my_photos If this one doesn't work for you, try http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee, then look for the album named "Charlie's aftermath", double click on it and you should be able to view 90 images. I'll admit up front, my damage wasn't as bad as some. But, it was devastating to me. Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Aug 25 05:14:44 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:14:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Charlie's Handy work References: <002901c48a9a$5499d1a0$2422d7cc@Arthur> Message-ID: <00e501c48a9d$1c075e40$9ae031d2@km> G'Day Arthur I have just finished looking at the pictures that I think were posted to .Org list did not see them of Slick or SEL. Glad we don't get Hurricanes like that over this side of the pond, hope you family got out of it OK. Sorry no Idea Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines > Hello list, > I sent this yesterday to Slick, SEL & Tractor lists. The only one I received it on was the tractor list. Anyone have any ideas as to why I can't post to Slick ? I receive the messages of others on Slick. ???? > > > Hello folks, > > To see some pictures of Hurricane Charlie's handy work on bro. Don's place and my place, click on the URL below. Charlie caused me to miss Portland, *&&^%$$# ! > > > > try this URL > > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mr_nocatee/album?.dir=cf1d&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mr_nocatee/my_photos > > > > If this one doesn't work for you, try http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee, then look for the album named "Charlie's aftermath", double click on it and you should be able to view 90 images. I'll admit up front, my damage wasn't as bad as some. But, it was devastating to me. > From burnoil at hotmail.com Wed Aug 25 06:35:59 2004 From: burnoil at hotmail.com (Burnoil) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:35:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OIL ENGINE Message-ID: could any one tell me whot an oil engine is? 1 the fuel? 2 the year or years? 3 the types of engine? if any one can tell me about this you guys could thanks burnoil From siberianhusky2003 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 25 08:39:42 2004 From: siberianhusky2003 at hotmail.com (big dog) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:39:42 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Banner engine Message-ID: Hi have an engine i think it is a banner .Do u have a pic of one .Im not sure what it is,any help would be great . Thanks Paul >From: "Kerry" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Banner engine >Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:48:33 +1000 > >G'Day Frank > >The BRB list of engine manufactures (at back of book) lists Banner Engine >Co >Lansing Mich, but shows no pictures > > > >Kerry Morris >Lithgow NSW OZ > >Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 > >Friends in Engines > > > > > > Who made the Banner engines? Thanks Frank > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out! From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 25 15:02:09 2004 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:02:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bad week Message-ID: Hi John, best of luck to Jane , as it turns out, the decision not to go to Portland has worked out well for Jen and I as well. Sunday morning, Jen's father Bill passed away, he was 87 and will be sorely missed. Art's storm damage... My heart goes out to all of you. John, take care of Jane - Ted and Jennifer, take care of each other. Art - at a loss. I hope no one was injured. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Lenexa, KS sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From asouth at strato.net Wed Aug 25 15:30:07 2004 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:30:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Charlie's Handy work References: <002901c48a9a$5499d1a0$2422d7cc@Arthur> <00e501c48a9d$1c075e40$9ae031d2@km> Message-ID: <006c01c48af3$137139d0$7022d7cc@Arthur> Thanks Kerry. Art Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Charlie's Handy work > G'Day Arthur > I have just finished looking at the pictures that I think were posted to > .Org list did not see them of Slick or SEL. Glad we don't get Hurricanes > like that over this side of the pond, hope you family got out of it OK. > Sorry no Idea > > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow NSW OZ > > Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 > > Friends in Engines > > > > Hello list, > > I sent this yesterday to Slick, SEL & Tractor lists. The only one I > received it on was the tractor list. Anyone have any ideas as to why I can't > post to Slick ? I receive the messages of others on Slick. ???? > > > > > > Hello folks, > > > > To see some pictures of Hurricane Charlie's handy work on bro. Don's place > and my place, click on the URL below. Charlie caused me to miss Portland, > *&&^%$$# ! > > > > > > > > try this URL > > > > > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mr_nocatee/album?.dir=cf1d&.src=ph&store=&prod id=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mr_nocatee/my_photos > > > > > > > > If this one doesn't work for you, try http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee, > then look for the album named "Charlie's aftermath", double click on it and > you should be able to view 90 images. I'll admit up front, my damage wasn't > as bad as some. But, it was devastating to me. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From doug11k at hotmail.com Wed Aug 25 18:50:18 2004 From: doug11k at hotmail.com (Douglas Kimball) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:50:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Banner engine Message-ID: Frank, Could be a Waterloo engine. Disk flywheel Lausons were also re-badged as Banners. >From: mrengine at comcast.net >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Banner engine >Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:44:56 +0000 > >Who made the Banner engines? Thanks Frank >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Aug 26 05:31:25 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:31:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OIL ENGINE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200408261232.i7QCW05m076671@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> The term "Oil Engine" (in Oz and the UK) usually refers to engines burning low grade fuels such as kerosene. They are usually hot-bulb type engines and they were common from around 1900 to the 1920s. Good examples here in Oz are Austral, Hornsby and Blackstone. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- could any one tell me whot an oil engine is? 1 the fuel? 2 the year or years? 3 the types of engine? if any one can tell me about this you guys could thanks burnoil From kerogas at the-i.net Fri Aug 20 10:08:39 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:08:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cumbria Steam Fair References: <002501c47406$cb21c3f0$06856ad5@one> Message-ID: <002401c48b82$0aa03f60$6e6c8e42@domainnotset.invalid> Hey Croft ......... what is the story with fred the engine man , man I need one of those in my garden From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Aug 26 13:40:32 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:40:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Cumbria Steam Fair References: <002501c47406$cb21c3f0$06856ad5@one> <002401c48b82$0aa03f60$6e6c8e42@domainnotset.invalid> Message-ID: <000601c48bac$eeb399c0$0f856ad5@zen> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cumbria Steam Fair > Hey Croft ......... what is the story with fred the engine man , > man I need one of those in my garden Hi Chuck, Flookburgh show is famous for giving the best mementos to exhibitors in Britain. I have sent all my previous examples to the ATIS auction & they have gone for a good price. Unfortunately my wife has fell in love with Fred & won't let me give him away. Fred weighs 2 Pounds & sits on the shelf in the living room. If I can buy one left over I will send him to next years auction. Dave Croft From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Thu Aug 26 16:34:29 2004 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OIL ENGINE In-Reply-To: <200408261232.i7QCW05m076671@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <20040826233429.11822.qmail@web52602.mail.yahoo.com> And the Rosebery/Buzacott Oil Engines. Patrick M Livingstone wrote: The term "Oil Engine" (in Oz and the UK) usually refers to engines burning low grade fuels such as kerosene. They are usually hot-bulb type engines and they were common from around 1900 to the 1920s. Good examples here in Oz are Austral, Hornsby and Blackstone. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- could any one tell me whot an oil engine is? 1 the fuel? 2 the year or years? 3 the types of engine? if any one can tell me about this you guys could thanks burnoil _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Cheers! NICK Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web! "He who sees the other first already has half the victory." Erich Hartmann "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt" Hans Rudel --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Aug 26 18:01:39 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:01:39 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Help Message-ID: <412E87F3.000003.03908@NOTEBOOK> Can someone explain how to time an economy 5hp ignitor style engine??? Bob From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Aug 26 18:34:54 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:34:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves Message-ID: <20040826.213500.600.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Guys (If anyone not at Portland is out there.) Today I decided to take the valves out of a Briggs Model "Y". Reason - Cannot figure why I can't get this thing to start. The valves are held in with pretty hefty springs and 2 little half circle keepers on each valve stem. My question - - - What kind of valve spring compressor might I use on this engine ? I have about every tool imaginable but when it comes to valve springs - Nada ! I guess I could use a "plier" type compressor but have no idea where to find one. Haven't tried the local NAPA dealer yet but I don't want to spend much on the tool. Suggestions ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net Thu Aug 26 18:36:28 2004 From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:36:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! In-Reply-To: <9BB5D684-F5C7-11D8-96EB-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> References: <9BB5D684-F5C7-11D8-96EB-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <412E901C.6080903@zoominternet.net> John, I hope all works out. Ed John Culp wrote: > I'm sorry I'm missing the Portland show, but it's really worked out > for the best that I'm still here. Had to take Jane to the ER with > abdominal pain last night and was there all night with her while she > got lots of tests. She's admitted to a surgeon I respect highly. He's > keeping an eye on her; doesn't look like she's going under the knife, > but will probably be in at least another day. Hope y'all have fun up > there! > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Aug 26 18:35:52 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:35:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Help Message-ID: <20040826.183553.1468.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Bob. Do you want to know which bolts to loosen, or how many degrees before TDC for it to fire? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:01:39 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Bob Jacobs" writes: > Can someone explain how to time an economy 5hp ignitor style > engine??? > > Bob From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Aug 26 18:43:18 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:43:18 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves References: <20040826.213500.600.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <412E91B6.000009.03908@NOTEBOOK> Hi Joe, Last time I needed a valve spring tool I went to auto-zone. They have a rental" policy. You buy the tool but can return it for a full refund. The other thing I've done is pack the cylinder with cotton or nylon rope, this allowed the valve to be stopped without damage while still allowing me to use a homemade fork tool to compress the spring with. It's a little clumsy but did the job. Now if only I can figure out how to set this mag and the timing on my engine I'd fell lots smarter. LOL Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/26/04 21:34:58 To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves Hi Guys (If anyone not at Portland is out there.) Today I decided to take the valves out of a Briggs Model "Y". Reason - Cannot figure why I can't get this thing to start. The valves are held in with pretty hefty springs and 2 little half circle keepers on each valve stem. My question - - - What kind of valve spring compressor might I use on this engine ? I have about every tool imaginable but when it comes to valve springs - Nada ! I guess I could use a "plier" type compressor but have no idea where to find one. Haven't tried the local NAPA dealer yet but I don't want to spend much on the tool. Suggestions ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Aug 26 18:46:02 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:46:02 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Help References: <20040826.183553.1468.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <412E925A.00000B.03908@NOTEBOOK> Hello Ron, Pretty much need to start from scratch. The mag was DEAD 30 years ago. Today I got a new mag and bolted it up. Found the "SPARK" mark on the flywheel but don't know anything other than that. Never messed with this one before so I'm out in the dark on it and really want to hear the old girl fire up. Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/26/04 21:40:53 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Help Hi Bob. Do you want to know which bolts to loosen, or how many degrees before TDC for it to fire? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:01:39 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Bob Jacobs" writes: > Can someone explain how to time an economy 5hp ignitor style > engine??? > > Bob _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From b2 at chooka.net Thu Aug 26 18:48:59 2004 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:48:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves References: <20040826.213500.600.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <001901c48bd8$06239ad0$660aa8c0@BILLPC> I don't know where to tell you to look for a compressor for this engine, but I have improvised on this type of engine with a pair of open end wrenches. 11/16 seems about right in my mind's eye, stick them both between the valve keeper washer and the engine block. Then pry them apart enough to force a fulcrum in between them; maybe a 3/8 bolt, again I'm kind of guessing, YMMV. That will allow you to squeeze the wrenches together forcing the end of the wrenches in the engine apart and compressing the valve spring. Kind of frustrating, you'll need to hold your tongue just right and chose your words carefully, but this should do it. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, Minnesota USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 8:34 PM Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves > Hi Guys (If anyone not at Portland is out there.) > > Today I decided to take the valves out of a Briggs Model "Y". > Reason - Cannot figure why I can't get this thing to start. > > The valves are held in with pretty hefty springs and 2 little half circle > keepers on each valve stem. > > My question - - - What kind of valve spring compressor might I use on > this engine ? > > I have about every tool imaginable but when it comes to valve springs - > Nada ! > I guess I could use a "plier" type compressor but have no idea where to > find one. > > Haven't tried the local NAPA dealer yet but I don't want to spend much on > the tool. > > Suggestions ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - > \/)"(\/ but only half as long." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jbcast at charter.net Thu Aug 26 18:58:56 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 1:58:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves Message-ID: <3a6eho$6usb73@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> > Today I decided to take the valves out of a Briggs Model "Y". > Reason - Cannot figure why I can't get this thing to start. > > The valves are held in with pretty hefty springs and 2 little half circle > keepers on each valve stem. > > My question - - - What kind of valve spring compressor might I use on > this engine ? > Joe, I've done many of these with two screwdrivers. Pry the spring up with the screwdrivers while holding the valve down, let one go, the retaining washer will cock, but usually you'll have enough room to install the keepers. A little grease and a screwdriver will help with the keepers. J.B. Castagnos Not In Portland From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net Thu Aug 26 19:03:30 2004 From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:03:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] cell phone In-Reply-To: <001101c4894d$01d57530$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <004001c488c3$febc73a0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> <001101c4894d$01d57530$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <412E9672.1020303@zoominternet.net> I have Nextel and, so far haven't had any problem out of it. Yes, some dead spots exist, but my dropped calls are not nearly as bad as they were with verison. Ed Ted Brookover wrote: > Hi John, we have had just the opposite experiance here, Verizon > couldn't be any better, unless it was free :) > > I think your problem lies with your local store. > > Ted Brookover > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > 816-763-3142 > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 9:28 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] cell phone > > >>>>> have put them on notice that my contract will not >>>> >>>> be renewed, though.<< >>> >>> >>> Get real - you REALLY think they CARE? >>> The big nationals don't give a rat's behind. Just like the big banks. >> >> >> Yeah, I know that. I also remember how, when Jane and I went to the >> store to see if we could add a couple of phones for the kids phones >> onto our Verizon contract ( they said we couldn't and had to take out >> a new one) I inquired about cancelling the one-phone contract I >> already had and taking out a new one to cover three. They had changed >> our one-year contract we thought we'd signed to a 2-year one. The guy >> said he'd "try to work it out" with his "bosses in Florida." He was >> having a great time on the phone with them, cutting up and laughing >> at us. A real bastard. And of course, he'd "tried everything, but >> they just couldn't help us." As for the notification, it's required. >> If you don't give them a written notice of nonrenewal, I believe it's >> 90 days before expiration, they'll automatically renew your contract. >> That's what had happened to us before. So I'd've had to pay a >> whopping termination fee. And the phone I've got broke a hinge and >> can't be repaired. They just want to sell me a new one at full price. >> I don't care if the phone service isn't as good, I don't want to deal >> with Verizon any more. They're dishonest and evil. >> >> John Culp >> Bristol, Tennessee, USA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Aug 26 19:35:31 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:35:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves References: <20040826.213500.600.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <003a01c48bde$870a0d40$176ce004@x8h7l9> I got a nice small engine valve spring compressor from FoleyBelsaw.com wholesale catalog . Weather was great at Portland today. The ground was dry. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 9:34 PM Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves > Hi Guys (If anyone not at Portland is out there.) > > Today I decided to take the valves out of a Briggs Model "Y". > Reason - Cannot figure why I can't get this thing to start. > > The valves are held in with pretty hefty springs and 2 little half circle > keepers on each valve stem. > > My question - - - What kind of valve spring compressor might I use on > this engine ? > > I have about every tool imaginable but when it comes to valve springs - > Nada ! > I guess I could use a "plier" type compressor but have no idea where to > find one. > > Haven't tried the local NAPA dealer yet but I don't want to spend much on > the tool. > > Suggestions ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - > \/)"(\/ but only half as long." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > From jdohagan at comcast.net Thu Aug 26 19:43:34 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:43:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves In-Reply-To: <3a6eho$6usb73@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <200408270243.i7R2hdcK012642@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi This little trick has worked for me a hundred times on auto engines with this style keeper.Set a deep socket with the same dia. as the retainer on top of the retainer and swat it with a hammer. If you are careful it releases the keepers and you 'll find them in the socket. Good Luck Jimmy O' Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jbcast at charter.net Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 6:59 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Briggs Valves > Today I decided to take the valves out of a Briggs Model "Y". > Reason - Cannot figure why I can't get this thing to start. > > The valves are held in with pretty hefty springs and 2 little half circle > keepers on each valve stem. > > My question - - - What kind of valve spring compressor might I use on > this engine ? > Joe, I've done many of these with two screwdrivers. Pry the spring up with the screwdrivers while holding the valve down, let one go, the retaining washer will cock, but usually you'll have enough room to install the keepers. A little grease and a screwdriver will help with the keepers. J.B. Castagnos Not In Portland _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Aug 26 19:46:07 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:46:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Help Message-ID: <20040826.194607.1372.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Bob. The only information I can give is to have the mag trip 5? before TDC for each 100 rpm that the engine is running. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Aug 26 20:02:32 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:02:32 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Help References: <20040826.194607.1372.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <412EA448.000001.01460@NOTEBOOK> Okie Dokie, Thanks for the iinfo, that's 100% more info than I had a minute ago. It's just been too many years since I've had to re-time anything this size and it s been in the garage since 1969 waiting. Finally excavated it and gotta get it running. LOL I just signed on here and had some problems with my firewall not letting me post. I'm a retired (and really tired) cross country trucker who finally has the time to work on these engines once again. I sold some off last week just cause I can't wrestle the heavy iron around any more but am keeping a couple to play with. My dad and I collected them for years, and some of you may know dad, Wayne D Jacobs as he was at a lot of the shows exhibiting and selling IHC Literature. Anyhow, thanks again. If anybody has any specifics on what to adjust and/or how to adjust it I'm open to all suggestions. Right now it appears to be firing at TDC but just a very short stroke on the mag. I don't know if it's even turning the mag enough to generate a spark but I'll re-tackle it in the am. Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/26/04 22:53:41 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Help Bob. The only information I can give is to have the mag trip 5? before TDC for each 100 rpm that the engine is running. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marvhed at ecenet.com Thu Aug 26 20:29:52 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (marv) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:29:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (OT sorta) looking for an oil bath air cleaner to use on a waukesha ICK References: <20040826.194607.1372.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <412EA448.000001.01460@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <002a01c48be6$1e3427d0$b7d63d40@dell14> this will be used on a panther crawler. the updraft carb has a 1 1/8" inlet diameter and i will use a flex hose. would one from a cub work? thanks, marv in minn From driggars at earthlink.net Thu Aug 26 20:56:07 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:56:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves References: <200408270243.i7R2hdcK012642@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <01a901c48be9$c9267c80$1e1be204@clinton> Jim I used to watch my Grandpa do it this way when I was a little fellow! Clint > > Hi This little trick has worked for me a hundred times on auto engines with > this style keeper.Set a deep socket with the same dia. as the retainer on > top of the retainer and swat it with a hammer. If you are careful it > releases the keepers and you 'll find them in the socket. Good Luck Jimmy > O' > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > jbcast at charter.net > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 6:59 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Briggs Valves > > > > Today I decided to take the valves out of a Briggs Model "Y". > > Reason - Cannot figure why I can't get this thing to start. > > > > The valves are held in with pretty hefty springs and 2 little half circle > > keepers on each valve stem. > > > > My question - - - What kind of valve spring compressor might I use on > > this engine ? > > > Joe, I've done many of these with two screwdrivers. Pry the spring up with > the screwdrivers while holding the valve down, let one go, the retaining > washer will cock, but usually you'll have enough room to install the > keepers. A little grease and a screwdriver will help with the keepers. > J.B. Castagnos > Not In Portland > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Aermoter at aol.com Thu Aug 26 21:16:14 2004 From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:16:14 EDT Subject: [SEL] cell phone Message-ID: In a message dated 8/26/2004 9:07:53 PM Central Daylight Time, edward.tabor at zoominternet.net writes: I don't want to deal >> with Verizon any more. They're dishonest and evil True John, but what big company is not dishonest and evil? The richer they get the less they care, just like a politician. Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. Aermoter at aol.com From old_iron at msn.com Fri Aug 27 00:45:07 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:45:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! Message-ID: Sorry to hear about Jane, hope everything turns out OK. You both will be in our prayers. Bill & Peg Pfeiffer >From: John Culp >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:39:30 >-0400 > >Thank you all for the kind thoughts and prayers for Jane. > >She seemed to be getting better today and the surgeon considered letting >her go home around suppertime, but she ran a bit of fever, started hurting >again and is spending another night at least. > >Ted, I'm sorry to hear about Jennifer's dad. I'll pray for y'all. > >Don, I've still got my Harley for sale. This is race weekend in Bristol, so >maybe some rich, slightly intoxicated racegoer'll decide he's just gotta >have it right now, hang the cost! > >I'm not really in the market for bikes or guitars right now, but am >building up a collection of well used old European milsurp rifles. a >Turkish M38 Mauser's due to arrive tomorrow, and danged if Century Arms >didn't just E-mail to let me know they're about to have some Turkish 1893s >and 1903s for sale shortly. ARRRGH! Jane's been rubbing it in lately about >how I could've been a cardiologist... > >John > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From old_iron at msn.com Fri Aug 27 00:58:06 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:58:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Eng. site at Baraboo roped off/THANKS! Message-ID: I would like to thank Curt for all of his hard work, it was great going to this show! Nice to see a few of the SEL group again. Curt, you did a great job on "reserving" our area and playing host to our group. Bill liked the show so much, he paid the $$$ to become a member of the Badger Club. Thanks again for the great area, and even Mother Nature cooperated with cool but no rainny weather. XOXOX Peg Pfeiffer >Hi Peg & Bill, >A couple of the boys from england called last night from Ohare airport and >will be heading my way about 10:00 then we are all off to Baraboo. More >then >likely we will get there about the same time you do if all goes well. >Looks >like the damn rain will quit and may be a cool dry weekend...I hope. >Better >pack your rain gear and longjohns just incase..... >ATIS SEL site is right in middle of northern gas alley timber. Look for >large >roped off area with red signs. >looking foward to seein everybody. >Curt > > Hello Curt: > > > > The new camper is all packed and ready to go, we plan on leaving >tomorrow > > not later than 10:00 and since it is about 4 hours to the Dells, we >should > > see you early tomorrow afternoon. > > > > Peg > > > > >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 27 06:26:22 2004 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:26:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Briggs valve spring tool Message-ID: >>>I don't know where to tell you to look for a compressor for this engine, >>>but I have improvised on this type of engine with a pair of open end wrenches. 11/16 seems about right in my mind's eye, stick them both between the valve keeper washer and the engine block. Then pry them apart enough to force a fulcrum in between them; maybe a 3/8 bolt, again I'm kind of guessing, YMMV. That will allow you to squeeze the wrenches together forcing the end of the wrenches in the engine apart and compressing the valve spring. >>>Kind of frustrating, you'll need to hold your tongue just right and chose your words carefully, but this should do it. >>>B? >>>Bill Brueck (brick) IIRC, it was a whole lot easier coming out than going back in, due to having need of a third hand to get the keeper halves in, but my memory ain't what it used to be. I think I like the idea of "renting" the spring compressor. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Lenexa, KS sluggo54 at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From b2 at chooka.net Fri Aug 27 07:37:32 2004 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:37:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Briggs valve spring tool References: Message-ID: <002201c48c43$62eec850$690a0a0a@BILLPC> You are certainy right, Bruce, although heavy grease to glue those keepers onto the stem helps a lot and harmlessly dissolves with engine oil when the thing runs again. And the delightful experience of having the compressed spring get away from you and mash a finger in that little space. Oh, the things we do for fun! I understand that a lot...when I'm not working on rusty iron I'm exploring caves. Come back from a good trip with all kinds of scrapes and bruises! B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, Minnesota USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Younger" To: Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 8:26 AM Subject: [SEL] Briggs valve spring tool > >>>I don't know where to tell you to look for a compressor for this engine, > >>>but > I have improvised on this type of engine with a pair of open end wrenches. > 11/16 seems about right in my mind's eye, stick them both between the valve > keeper washer and the engine block. Then pry them apart enough to force a > fulcrum in between them; maybe a 3/8 bolt, again I'm kind of guessing, YMMV. > That will allow you to squeeze the wrenches together forcing the end of the > wrenches in the engine apart and compressing the valve spring. > > >>>Kind of frustrating, you'll need to hold your tongue just right and chose > your words carefully, but this should do it. > > >>>B2 > >>>Bill Brueck (brick) > > IIRC, it was a whole lot easier coming out than going back in, due to > having need of a third hand to get the keeper halves in, but my > memory ain't what it used to be. I think I like the idea of "renting" > the spring compressor. > > > Bruce Younger > 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 > Lenexa, KS > sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and > more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Aug 27 08:04:46 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:04:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Briggs valve spring tool References: Message-ID: <001d01c48c47$32fe9bd0$a944e5d8@gary> Another option is the cheap tool stores like Cummins or such. I picked up a cheap one that has served me well for a couple of limited uses. Living a lone way from civilization I like having tools at hand when I need them. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Younger" To: Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 8:26 AM Subject: [SEL] Briggs valve spring tool > >>>I don't know where to tell you to look for a compressor for this engine, > >>>but > I have improvised on this type of engine with a pair of open end wrenches. > 11/16 seems about right in my mind's eye, stick them both between the valve > keeper washer and the engine block. Then pry them apart enough to force a > fulcrum in between them; maybe a 3/8 bolt, again I'm kind of guessing, YMMV. > That will allow you to squeeze the wrenches together forcing the end of the > wrenches in the engine apart and compressing the valve spring. > > >>>Kind of frustrating, you'll need to hold your tongue just right and chose > your words carefully, but this should do it. > > >>>B? > >>>Bill Brueck (brick) > > IIRC, it was a whole lot easier coming out than going back in, due to > having need of a third hand to get the keeper halves in, but my > memory ain't what it used to be. I think I like the idea of "renting" > the spring compressor. > > > Bruce Younger > 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 > Lenexa, KS > sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and > more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Aug 27 07:52:16 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:52:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves Message-ID: <20040827.111445.1136.4.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks to all for responding. Clint D. - Jim H. - J.B. - Bill B. - Ed S.. I'll take a ride to my local NAPA & CarQuest to see if they have anything I can use. Other than that. I guess it's screwdrivers - wrenches - bailing wire and holding my tongue just right. The other Briggs' I've worked on didn't seem to have anything holding the top of the spring. Getting them in & out was pretty easy. The "Y" has a "tit" that extends the valve guide down from the top of the cavity and also holds the spring in place. I'm going to have to compress the spring pretty good to get them back in and all put together. That's why I think I need something other than my usual "Hammer & Chisel" methods. Thanks again. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Aug 27 07:31:32 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:31:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves Message-ID: <20040827.111445.1136.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Bob, Thanks for the reply. I've always been able to remove the keepers on Briggs valves rather easily. But these on the "Y" are a bit heavier. I have the keepers off and the valves out but the springs are still in the block. They are also in the way for measuring the gap. So, I have to take them out. I can't imagine how I'm going to get the springs compressed and back into the engine and install the keepers all at one time. I like your "return / rental" policy but I couldn't do that. Once I've used something, I'm going to keep it. I'll probably have to make something. Unless I can buy a tool that isn't too expensive. As for timing an engine with igniter - - - I'm not familiar. But - - - I imagine it's the same as with regular mags. There is usually an adjustment on the trip rod and the engine should fire when the "mark" on the flywheel passes the "trip rod". If there is no mark on the flywheel: First find Top Dead Center and mark it with chaulk on the flywheel. Then adjust your igniter to trip about 3 to 4 inches (on the flywheel) before that mark. That should put you at about 15? Before Top Dead Center. Most of my engines are between 1? & 3 HP. Bigger engines (larger flywheel) would increase that 3 - 4" to 5 - 6". Hope this helps. If not - Get back to me. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:43:18 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Bob Jacobs" writes: > Hi Joe, > > Last time I needed a valve spring tool I went to auto-zone. They > have a > rental" policy. You buy the tool but can return it for a full > refund. > > The other thing I've done is pack the cylinder with cotton or nylon > rope, > this allowed the valve to be stopped without damage while still > allowing me > to use a homemade fork tool to compress the spring with. It's a > little > clumsy but did the job. > > Now if only I can figure out how to set this mag and the timing on > my engine > I'd fell lots smarter. LOL > > Bob > > -------Original Message------- > > From: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 08/26/04 21:34:58 > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves > > Hi Guys (If anyone not at Portland is out there.) > > Today I decided to take the valves out of a Briggs Model "Y". > Reason - Cannot figure why I can't get this thing to start. > > The valves are held in with pretty hefty springs and 2 little half > circle > keepers on each valve stem. > > My question - - - What kind of valve spring compressor might I use > on > this engine ? > > I have about every tool imaginable but when it comes to valve > springs - > Nada ! > I guess I could use a "plier" type compressor but have no idea where > to > find one. > > Haven't tried the local NAPA dealer yet but I don't want to spend > much on > the tool. > > Suggestions ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - > \/)"(\/ but only half as long." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Fri Aug 27 09:07:41 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:07:41 EDT Subject: [SEL] Briggs valve spring tool Message-ID: <1e5.290f27a6.2e60b64d@aol.com> Hi Bruce, For putting the valves back in, first put on your eye protection, then, put a valve spring in your bench vise with about a third exposed. Compress it gently but not quite all the way. Use a nylon string to pass through the valve spring, end to end, and tie it in the compressed mode. Loosen the vise, turn the valve spring half way and repeat. At this point you have the valve spring in the compressed mode, tied by string on each side. Install, cut string, and pull out the string with your needlenose pliers. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, MO (Where we had RAIN last night.) In a message dated 8/27/2004 8:31:15 AM Central Standard Time, sluggo54 at hotmail.com writes: > > IIRC, it was a whole lot easier coming out than going back in, due to > having need of a third hand to get the keeper halves in, but my > memory ain't what it used to be. I think I like the idea of "renting" > the spring compressor. > > > Bruce Younger From Carrowor at comcast.net Fri Aug 27 11:15:35 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:15:35 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves References: <20040827.111445.1136.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <412F7A47.000001.02124@NOTEBOOK> Thanks!!! This sounds exactly like what I've done, but haven't yet gotten the ole gal to phoot at me. Ah well, I'll get back at her tonight when it cools down outside. Putting your valve assembly back togeather is much easier than dismantling it. Compress the springs in a vice, if your vice's jaws are wider than the spring, be sure to leave one edge of the spring exposed. Your goal is to be able to slip a piece of 20 or 30 lb test fishing line through the spring and tie it off. then turn the spring around and do the other side so it's double tied and straight. When it's time to reassemble, simple set the spring in place, install the cap and keepers and push the valve down against the spring (keep your fingers outta the way now, first time I did this I didn't). I use a hammer handle to kinda hold everything in compressed mode and my pocket knive to cut the fishing line, a pair of needlenose pliers will then remove the fishing line easily. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From AntiqueEngineB at aol.com Fri Aug 27 15:49:59 2004 From: AntiqueEngineB at aol.com (AntiqueEngineB at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:49:59 EDT Subject: [SEL] cell phone Message-ID: <1f0.291eb5c8.2e611497@aol.com> My son and i were at portland and i have sprint and he has nextel; and neather had service i have no idea what to get. _antiqueengineb at aol.com_ (mailto:antiqueengineb at aol.com) Robert Stanton Brooklyn mi From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 27 16:26:00 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:26:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves References: <20040827.111445.1136.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <003101c48c8d$36bc3d40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> S.. > > I'll take a ride to my local NAPA & CarQuest to see if they have anything > I can use. The little one is in the back of the Sierra/Primeline Illus. book and Kay-Deee makes the big one for auto sized flatties . I keep one of each .They are the only way to fly . I have used screwdrivers , wrenches,, lathe bits , and fingers . Its doable . The socket and a hammer trick . Now THAT I gotta try Chuck From ivancou at usachoice.net Fri Aug 27 17:31:39 2004 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:31:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland calender now avail ! Message-ID: <000701c48c96$63ea50a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Anyone in Portland or going to the show tomorrow ? I found out tonight that they are selling a first ever calendar with pictures of the show . Its available at the Red Barn near the registration booth . I found out after I came home and read the free paper that was delivered to the campgrounds in the morning , I threw it in the camper and didn't read it till tonight . Anyone there that could grab one for me ? Ivan From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Aug 27 14:49:33 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:49:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs "Y" Message-ID: <20040827.211017.1252.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Guys, Thanks to all who responded to my plea on removing the valve springs from the Briggs "Y". I "muscled" the keepers off the valves and took out the springs and "wired" them tight with thin bailing wire so I could get them in. Even then, they fought me. I knew I'd use that picture wire someday. After refacing the valves and checking the gaps at .005 - .007 (.06)intake and .009 - .011 (.011) on the exhaust. I reassembled the vales & springs. After much aggravation, I decided to turn the engine up-side-down and make gravity work FOR me instead of AGAINST me. Finally got it all together and have 50 lbs compression. STILL, I cannot get this thing to bark. Then I took off the bottom to see if it could be out of time. With a mirror and flashlight I saw that the timing marks are in the right position. (Not that.) The only thing I can think of now is - - - Is the spark strong enough ? Maybe the capacitor ? maybe a faint short somewhere ? Beats me. This engine used to run but it was always a bear to start. Lately - Nothing !! Oh well - Tomorrow is another day. Hope everyone is enjoying themselves in Portland. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From Carrowor at comcast.net Fri Aug 27 18:19:13 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:19:13 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Briggs "Y" References: <20040827.211017.1252.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <412FDD91.000001.03288@NOTEBOOK> LOL Man do I know what you're talking about LOL I've had the mag & ignitor off this economy at least 20 times today, everything should be lined up right and got great spark but no bark. Ah well, after some supper and a six pack I trundled it back into the garage and figure the engine pixies will fix it overnight!!!! Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/27/04 21:10:53 To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Briggs "Y" Hi Guys, Thanks to all who responded to my plea on removing the valve springs from the Briggs "Y". I "muscled" the keepers off the valves and took out the springs and "wired" them tight with thin bailing wire so I could get them in. Even then, they fought me. I knew I'd use that picture wire someday. After refacing the valves and checking the gaps at .005 - .007 (.06)intake and ..009 - .011 (.011) on the exhaust. I reassembled the vales & springs. After much aggravation, I decided to turn the engine up-side-down and make gravity work FOR me instead of AGAINST me. Finally got it all together and have 50 lbs compression. STILL, I cannot get this thing to bark. Then I took off the bottom to see if it could be out of time. With a mirror and flashlight I saw that the timing marks are in the right position. (Not that.) The only thing I can think of now is - - - Is the spark strong enough ? Maybe the capacitor ? maybe a faint short somewhere ? Beats me. This engine used to run but it was always a bear to start. Lately - Nothing !! Oh well - Tomorrow is another day. Hope everyone is enjoying themselves in Portland. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Aug 27 18:21:58 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:21:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves Message-ID: <20040827.212406.1252.4.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks guys again. Ron C. & Bob J. suggested compressing in a vise and using nylon string or fishing line to tie it and keep the springs compressed.. I used a light bailing wire that I had on the shelf and it worked out good. You'd think by now I'd know some of these tricks. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:15:35 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Bob Jacobs" writes: > Thanks!!! > > This sounds exactly like what I've done, but haven't yet gotten the > ole gal > to phoot at me. Ah well, I'll get back at her tonight when it cools > down > outside. > > Putting your valve assembly back togeather is much easier than > dismantling > it. Compress the springs in a vice, if your vice's jaws are wider > than the > spring, be sure to leave one edge of the spring exposed. Your goal > is to be > able to slip a piece of 20 or 30 lb test fishing line through the > spring and > tie it off. then turn the spring around and do the other side so > it's > double tied and straight. > > When it's time to reassemble, simple set the spring in place, > install the > cap and keepers and push the valve down against the spring (keep > your > fingers outta the way now, first time I did this I didn't). I use a > hammer > handle to kinda hold everything in compressed mode and my pocket > knive to > cut the fishing line, a pair of needlenose pliers will then remove > the > fishing line easily. > > > > Bob > Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, > others just use the initials! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Aug 27 19:23:42 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:23:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] cell phone In-Reply-To: <1f0.291eb5c8.2e611497@aol.com> References: <1f0.291eb5c8.2e611497@aol.com> Message-ID: <47EBDC26-F899-11D8-9D14-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Well, like I said, I did use the Verizon one there last year. John On Aug 27, 2004, at 6:49 PM, AntiqueEngineB at aol.com wrote: > My son and i were at portland and i have sprint and he has nextel; and > neather had service i have no idea what to get. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 27 21:17:31 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:17:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project #2 In-Reply-To: <000c01c48581$37baf050$01043c0a@DD1BF421> References: <000c01c48581$37baf050$01043c0a@DD1BF421> Message-ID: <4130075B.8050403@scrtc.com> Thanks Dave. No rush on the tags, just when you're looking for something to do..... if you're like me, there's never time that you're looking for something to do as all time is taken. Just got back from Portland. Great show again. About 3000 engines, 800 tractors, probably 1000 plus vendors, it all made for too much walking, talking, and lookin. Tommy Dave Otto wrote: >Bummer, I hope that you are able to recover some or all of your data. >You need to find a safer place to live first the tornado and then the >lightning trashes your computer. My son recently got back from visiting >his grandparents near Paris, on the other side of Lexington from you. He >got to see some really good rain storms that we just don't get out here >in the west. > > >Dave > >P.S. Don't give up name plate I'm still going to get them done. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tommy >Turner >Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 12:39 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Miami Project #2 > >Dave, > > I did have some but they were on my old computer hard drive and >lightning got it about 3 weeks ago. I have a friend trying to see if he > >can retrieve any of the info off of it. If so, I'll be glad to post >them. All there was of the Miami was a base, flywheels, and >crankshaft. The front half of the cylinder had been cut off and it had >been made into a wood splitter. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rwenig at cable-lynx.net Fri Aug 27 20:32:42 2004 From: rwenig at cable-lynx.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:32:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - another question.... References: <00b001c48a54$9891bb70$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <412FFCDA.7FA6F25@cable-lynx.net> Hello Bill, My $0.02 on the subject. I fell into the trap of building what I thought I would need five years ago but it is suprising how fast available space can fill up. I'm currently putting together a pole building to use for storage to try to rectify my mistake. The original size I was thinking of building was 20' x 30' large enough to get my motor home out of the weather when I'm not using it and for some storage. Thinking things over I realized I could fill the available space in no time so I went as large as my budget would allow (24' x 40'). So my suggestion is build your building as large as your budget and available space will allow. Make the building large enough to give Barbara some space inside so you can keep her happy too. A gable end style roof basically gives you only the main floor for space. You can build in a second floor easily if you go to a hip roof style rafter. What material to use depends on price, availability and how much maintenance you want to do. I would suggest metal cladding as it is relatively maintenance free. Wood has to be painted. Rupert Bill Dickerson wrote: > > The only thing - what sort of building should I be considering? Now the > timing is quite a ways off - at least a year, but need to decide a size and > type so I know how to prepare the site. I figure probably about 24' x 24', > Barbara says to build it with a large overhang on the east side to put my > steel wheels, horse drawn mower and such under out of the rain. > There is a nice metal building with such an overhang, what do you call the > barn-style roof - gambrel or whatever? > Should it be a Wood or metal building? > Roof type? Hip or other? > Bill > Runnells, IA > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. mailto://rwenig at cable-lynx.net http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/index.html From Aermoter at aol.com Sat Aug 28 05:51:15 2004 From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 08:51:15 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT - another question.... Message-ID: <8a.1382372d.2e61d9c3@aol.com> In a message dated 8/27/2004 11:23:38 PM Central Daylight Time, rwenig at cable-lynx.net writes: A gable end style roof basically gives you only the main floor for space. You can build in a second floor easily if you go to a hip roof style rafter You got that one backwards. On the same pitch roof you gain much more space with a gable end over a hip. Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. Aermoter at aol.com From rwenig at cable-lynx.net Sat Aug 28 08:02:33 2004 From: rwenig at cable-lynx.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:02:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - another question.... References: <8a.1382372d.2e61d9c3@aol.com> Message-ID: <41309E89.1D1CBBD3@cable-lynx.net> Hello Tim, A gable rafter and a hip rafter are not normally the same pitch. A standard 4:12 gable rafter would only be about 4' high at the peak over a 24' span where as a hip rafter would be 8' or more at the peak over the same span depending on the rafter design. Also bridging and reinforcement gusset plates on a hip rafter is normally done only at the joints where as a gable truss has bridging between the rafter run and the cord length to reinforce it interfering with free flow in the attic area. A 24' span is to long not to use a reinforced rafter. Rupert Aermoter at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/27/2004 11:23:38 PM Central Daylight Time, > rwenig at cable-lynx.net writes: > A gable end style roof basically gives you only the main floor for > space. You can build in a second floor easily if you go to a hip roof > style rafter > You got that one backwards. On the same pitch roof you gain much more space > with a gable end over a hip. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor, Ks. > Aermoter at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. mailto://rwenig at cable-lynx.net http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/index.html From Aermoter at aol.com Sat Aug 28 11:48:54 2004 From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:48:54 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT - another question.... Message-ID: <54.3231b923.2e622d96@aol.com> Rupert, I have been building houses and barns for 22 years and know what I am talking about. It does not matter how you try to figure it, a roof with a gable will have more room under it than a hip roof with the same pitch. On a building that is only going to be 24 foot wide you will not gain any second floor space at all unless you use a steep pitch or actually build a second floor outside wall Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. Aermoter at aol.com From Aermoter at aol.com Sat Aug 28 12:02:21 2004 From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:02:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT - another question.... Message-ID: <127.4981b19b.2e6230bd@aol.com> Rupert, first, please don't take my first response to be mean, after I sent it I found it to sound harsh. Next, your not by chance thinking of a Gambrel roof are you? A hip roof has four sides, each side starting on the top of the wall and meeting up in the exact center for a square building and then if the building is longer, you will have a ridge that will form. On the Gable end roof you only have 2 sides and ridge that is as long as the building. The Gambrel roof will have only 2 sides but each side will have 2 different pitches, the bottom pitch will be at least 12/12 or greater and the top pitch is usually a 7/12 or less. This type of roof will gain you the greatest space above the wall height over the full building. Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. Aermoter at aol.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 28 14:48:29 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:48:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Calling Card Numbers Message-ID: <004f01c48d49$03817000$210110ac@VAIO> Is it possible for one person in one state to have the same calling card number as another person in another state? I am trying to locate a missing family member and only have a calling card to go by. Paul From Carrowor at comcast.net Sat Aug 28 16:20:10 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:20:10 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy Message-ID: <4131132A.000005.03636@NOTEBOOK> I Hope someone can help me out a bit. 5HP Economy, looks like it's in time, mag & ignitor off the engine shows a pretty good spark but on the engine NOTHING (I even pulled the head to check) Before anyone gets upset over pulling the head, I'm glad I did, big mess in the water jacket in the head, should run nice and cool now (if I can ever get it started} Anyone know where I could obtain some mica for the ignitor??? only thing I can figure is the isolated point mica has to be shorted out under compression. Any and all suggestions, ideas or help in any form will be very much appreciated!! Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Aug 28 16:56:09 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:56:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Calling Card Numbers In-Reply-To: <004f01c48d49$03817000$210110ac@VAIO> References: <004f01c48d49$03817000$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: Usually a calling card number contains the phone number with area code of the owner. John On Aug 28, 2004, at 5:48 PM, wrote: > Is it possible for one person in one state to have the same calling > card number as another person in another state? I am trying to locate > a missing family member and only have a calling card to go by. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Aug 28 17:00:16 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:00:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Race Week Message-ID: <6859D62A-F94E-11D8-BF2B-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> First time I've been in Bristol for the August race week since '98. It's been fairly congested around here, about like Portland on a bigger scale. The race has just started. I was outside fixing the left headlight on the 'Vette and watering the plants while the F16s did their flybys. Last pass, timed for the ending of "The Star Spangled Banner," they went south down the Volunteer Parkway at about 1000 feet with their afterburners on hard for about 3 miles. Rock and roll! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Aug 28 18:01:41 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:01:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Race Week References: <6859D62A-F94E-11D8-BF2B-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <001501c48d63$bfd39610$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Just rub my nose in it John. I'm too cheap for cable so can't watch the race and you're there and didn't attend. One of the best races on the circuit. Hope Jane is doing well. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 6:00 PM Subject: [SEL] OT Race Week > First time I've been in Bristol for the August race week since '98. > It's been fairly congested around here, about like Portland on a bigger > scale. > > The race has just started. I was outside fixing the left headlight on > the 'Vette and watering the plants while the F16s did their flybys. > Last pass, timed for the ending of "The Star Spangled Banner," they > went south down the Volunteer Parkway at about 1000 feet with their > afterburners on hard for about 3 miles. Rock and roll! > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From adamcottrill at telstra.com Sat Aug 28 18:52:00 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 11:52:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] FYI Nat Rally Press Release Message-ID: <82c86282ec27.82ec2782c862@email.bigpond.com> Hi Everyone, For your information the NHMA National Webpage is up with the press release on at http://home.rbm.com.au/rally/news.htm Also conrgatulations and thanks to Reg in point out an oversight in the operations for the event if there are still concerns/ideas please let the organisers know via the contact details via the press release details Reg has made a difference which will affect all of us who are attending from me personaly and im sure everyone else who will be attending... thanks so much and well done! Cheer, Adam From boydfarms at nupoint.net Sat Aug 28 19:44:47 2004 From: boydfarms at nupoint.net (Michelle Boyd) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:44:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <002401c48d72$389985b0$44b745c6@yourfsyly0jtwn> My first time on your website. My husband and I just bought a Fairbanks Morse engine today at Portland (just before the first big rain). We're primarily tractor people, so very ignorant about engines. I hope we got a good deal - it seemed cheap for what we've seen. We've been looking to buy one for a few years now. The engine we purchased is in running condition and fairly decent paint. It's green, but I don't know the serial number without going back out to the barn to look. Where is a good place to buy a coil? From bill at antique-engines.com Sat Aug 28 20:18:08 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:18:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Calling Card Numbers In-Reply-To: <004f01c48d49$03817000$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <003101c48d76$d0b867e0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> I doubt it - our "calling card" number is the same as our phone number with a couple of extra digits. Of course, this has nothing to do with those "prepaid calling cards" which are totally different than the card I'm thinking of supplied by our local phone company to use to make calls with. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 4:48 PM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] O.T. Calling Card Numbers Is it possible for one person in one state to have the same calling card number as another person in another state? I am trying to locate a missing family member and only have a calling card to go by. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Aug 28 20:30:59 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:30:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) References: <002401c48d72$389985b0$44b745c6@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <000d01c48d78$9aadf460$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Welcome to the list and a subject and signature is a nice touch. A tractor belted up is a stationary engine so you're ok here. E-bay is a good place to look for a coil and I'm not sure what you are looking for. Coil, battery, and ignitor sytem and you need the coil? No doubt someone with more knowledge will come to your aid. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Boyd" To: Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 8:44 PM Subject: [SEL] (no subject) My first time on your website. My husband and I just bought a Fairbanks Morse engine today at Portland (just before the first big rain). We're primarily tractor people, so very ignorant about engines. I hope we got a good deal - it seemed cheap for what we've seen. We've been looking to buy one for a few years now. The engine we purchased is in running condition and fairly decent paint. It's green, but I don't know the serial number without going back out to the barn to look. Where is a good place to buy a coil? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From glenn.karch at gte.net Sat Aug 28 20:28:02 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:28:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lake Portland Message-ID: <018f01c48d78$32fab6a0$ab29ea41@oemcomputer> To all, About 1:30 this afternoon the sky fell down at the Portland show and flooded many areas of the grounds. The south restroom was closed due to flooding. Traffic was prohibited in the vendor area due to water and mud. I drove through a foot of water to get out. I think they got more rain again about 4:00 o'clock too, but I was GONE! Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 28 20:47:25 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:47:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lake Portland References: <018f01c48d78$32fab6a0$ab29ea41@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000e01c48d7a$e8251f50$210110ac@VAIO> Glenn I am glad that I did not come back to the grounds this morning. It stormed all night long in Decatur and the power went out several times in the hotel. I figured the show grounds was flooded so I just left the hotel and drove straight home, glad I did now. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn A Karch" To: Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 10:28 PM Subject: [SEL] Lake Portland > To all, > > About 1:30 this afternoon the sky fell down at the Portland show and > flooded > many areas of the grounds. The south restroom was closed due to flooding. > Traffic was prohibited in the vendor area due to water and mud. I drove > through a foot of water to get out. I think they got more rain again > about > 4:00 o'clock too, but I was GONE! > > Glenn > > Glenn Karch > Haubstadt, IN, USA > Hercules Historian > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rwenig at cable-lynx.net Sun Aug 29 00:00:53 2004 From: rwenig at cable-lynx.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 01:00:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - another question.... References: <127.4981b19b.2e6230bd@aol.com> Message-ID: <41317F25.39024F87@cable-lynx.net> Hello Tim, Well, I'll be! I believe this is the first time I've ran into a language problem between US and Canadian English. I didn't think that was possible so your last message had me confused. No. I didn't take it as mean. But, I'm glad you took the time to read it a second time and get back to me with the message quoted below as it sure helps clear the air (so to speak). Now to explain the differences: What you are calling a hip roof is known to me as a cottage style roof. I don't recall hearing the Gambrel name before. Your Gambrel is what I am calling a "hip roof". Even the lumber yards around here use the term "hip roof" for the double sloped roof. Your gable roof appears to be the same as ours. Trusting this clears the air and we are still friends. Rupert Aermoter at aol.com wrote: > > Rupert, first, please don't take my first response to be mean, after I sent > it I found it to sound harsh. Next, your not by chance thinking of a Gambrel > roof are you? A hip roof has four sides, each side starting on the top of the > wall and meeting up in the exact center for a square building and then if the > building is longer, you will have a ridge that will form. On the Gable end > roof you only have 2 sides and ridge that is as long as the building. The > Gambrel roof will have only 2 sides but each side will have 2 different pitches, > the bottom pitch will be at least 12/12 or greater and the top pitch is usually > a 7/12 or less. This type of roof will gain you the greatest space above the > wall height over the full building. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor, Ks. > Aermoter at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. mailto://rwenig at cable-lynx.net http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/index.html From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Aug 29 02:44:05 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:44:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Lake Portland Message-ID: <082920040944.15450.31e0@mchsi.com> HI Guys, Sure was glad I had some hind sight to load most of my stuff on friday night especially after I saw the big oak limb that smashed the poor fellows mini van, broke out his windshield and left hand windows.....along with some of his lawntractors damaged badly. Talked with the fellow and he told me he had just lost his home by "charley" in Florida to boot! I packed up my tent and chairs and we were off for home. All was clear until we hit the Ill. line and then we road rest of way in pounding rains.....All and all great show. Will try to post some pics later. Curt Andree > To all, > > About 1:30 this afternoon the sky fell down at the Portland show and flooded > many areas of the grounds. The south restroom was closed due to flooding. > Traffic was prohibited in the vendor area due to water and mud. I drove > through a foot of water to get out. I think they got more rain again about > 4:00 o'clock too, but I was GONE! > > Glenn > > Glenn Karch > Haubstadt, IN, USA > Hercules Historian > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jenkins.frames at juno.com Sun Aug 29 04:53:26 2004 From: jenkins.frames at juno.com (Arthur r Jenkins) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:53:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <20040829.083907.-1933955.15.jenkins.frames@juno.com> Hello Old engine list Even though most of you guys were in Portland some of us were other places. I was at the Sommerset Party in the Pasture. Maybe the best show of it's type that I go to. SO if you are ever in the state of Virginia I will reccomend it, the dates for nest year are August 26 - 27 -28 More steam traction engines in one place that any other show I go to. I will admit that I only go to a couple of shows a year. Alos it does not seem to rain on the Sommerset show, just hot! Now on to other things, I have a Johnson engine, a small engine like a maytag. Would anyone want it? I am in central virginia, outside Richmond. If anyone can use this pleas speak up. It is rough , it was recovered for the county dump. I have had it running at one time. The starter gear is broken and who know what else. Maybe parts to keep another engine running? And a favor form the group, I have a friend that recently move to the San Francisco area(Concord) is there anyone who would be willing to show her around or suggest places to go, if so send to me off list and I will forward. Thanks Arthur ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From oldengin at udata.com Sun Aug 29 07:01:05 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:01:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lake Portland In-Reply-To: <082920040944.15450.31e0@mchsi.com> References: <082920040944.15450.31e0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <4131E1A1.1000505@udata.com> STill the greatest show on earth!!!!! Yes we did get caught up in some of the rain as we where close to leaving when we got stuck in the out pour of autos and campers leaving, took us 40 minutes from the camp ground to reach St. Rt. 27. As we worked our way home here in Ohia water was across Interstate 75 in Lima and traffic was backed up about 5 mile, we got off on 4th street and took another route home with little trouble with water ( did drive into the water across the exit ramp that was over my trailer lights) this was not a pretty sight. Also ask me what I think of michelin tires some time as I have 3 with holes on this trip!!!!!!!!!! -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Aug 29 07:31:01 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:31:01 EDT Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <1dd.2a5de556.2e6342a5@aol.com> In a message dated 8/29/2004 8:14:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jenkins.frames at juno.com writes: << I have a Johnson engine, a small engine like a maytag. Would anyone want it? >> Arthur, I live on a large farm, not far from you and have plenty of room to store junk, but slowly running out of shed space. If your need a home for the engine, I can take it. I live west of you near Appomattox. To help with the roof storage problem, I just ordered a metal carport and should be here this week. Cannot build a roof for the price they sell those metal car sheds and install them. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Aug 29 07:37:17 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:37:17 EDT Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy Message-ID: In a message dated 8/28/2004 7:34:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Carrowor at comcast.net writes: << 5HP Economy, looks like it's in time, mag & ignitor off the engine shows a pretty good spark but on the engine NOTHING (I even pulled the head to check) >> Sweet Bob, Have you checked for gas? My 5 hp Economy would not start one time and I checked a lot of things before finally discovering that the gas had gone bad. Put in new gas and fired right up. You might try some ether thru the priming cup and see if it will fire. There are lots of parts people in GEM that sell ignitor parts to rebuild if you need them. How about timing, valve setting, compression, etc.? Just some things to ponder! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Carrowor at comcast.net Sun Aug 29 09:13:39 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:13:39 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy References: Message-ID: <413200B3.000001.03384@NOTEBOOK> Hello Tom Yepper, checked the gas, had that problem before also (although my LA ran great on very old "varnish" - LOL) I've tried gas through the priming cup, ether etc. but nothing seems to make her work. Haven't even gotten a backfire or anything. oh well, guess I'll get back out there and try again, this engine hasn't been run since 1977ish so it's been a project just getting the wasp nests and cobwebs out of her. Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/29/04 10:38:30 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] 5HP Economy In a message dated 8/28/2004 7:34:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Carrowor at comcast.net writes: << 5HP Economy, looks like it's in time, mag & ignitor off the engine shows a pretty good spark but on the engine NOTHING (I even pulled the head to check) >> Sweet Bob, Have you checked for gas? My 5 hp Economy would not start one time and I checked a lot of things before finally discovering that the gas had gone bad Put in new gas and fired right up. You might try some ether thru the priming cup and see if it will fire. There are lots of parts people in GEM that sell ignitor parts to rebuild if you need them. How about timing, valve setting, compression, etc.? Just some things to ponder! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Aug 29 09:23:57 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:23:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy Message-ID: <20040829.123654.1220.6.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Bob, Well - - - I know nothing about igniters except that everyone seems to have problems with them. 1.) My first suggestion would be to talk to someone like Ted Brookover who knows more that I ever will. 2.) My other suggestion would be to rig up a wiper on the cam gear and run it with a buzz coil & battery. But please get more opinions on that. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:20:10 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Bob Jacobs" writes: > I Hope someone can help me out a bit. > > 5HP Economy, looks like it's in time, mag & ignitor off the engine > shows a > pretty good spark but on the engine NOTHING (I even pulled the head > to > check) > > Before anyone gets upset over pulling the head, I'm glad I did, big > mess in > the water jacket in the head, should run nice and cool now (if I > can ever > get it started} > > Anyone know where I could obtain some mica for the ignitor??? only > thing I > can figure is the isolated point mica has to be shorted out under > compression. > > Any and all suggestions, ideas or help in any form will be very > much > appreciated!! > > Bob > Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, > others just use the initials! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Aug 29 09:29:54 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:29:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <20040829.123654.1220.7.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Michelle, Are you sure you don't want a "Magneto" ? Talk to other exhibitors as to what you'll need to get it running. Everything you need should be at Portland somewhere. Just my 2 cents. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:44:47 -0500 "Michelle Boyd" writes: > My first time on your website. My husband and I just bought a > Fairbanks Morse engine today at Portland (just before the first big > rain). We're primarily tractor people, so very ignorant about > engines. I hope we got a good deal - it seemed cheap for what we've > seen. We've been looking to buy one for a few years now. The > engine we purchased is in running condition and fairly decent paint. > It's green, but I don't know the serial number without going back > out to the barn to look. Where is a good place to buy a coil? > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Aug 29 09:44:58 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:44:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy Message-ID: <20040829.124537.1220.10.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Bob, This Briggs "Y" I have is doing the same thing. Sparks with the plug out but - I can't get it to bark. I've checked everything I can think of. Did a valve job on it Friday and checked the timing marks. All is good. I have to think the spark is weak - But why ? = = = = = = Also - I have a can of Starting Fluid I bought in July. It has not fired an engine yet !!! I'm beginning to think it might be BAD. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:13:39 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Bob Jacobs" writes: > Hello Tom > > Yepper, checked the gas, had that problem before also (although my > LA ran > great on very old "varnish" - LOL) > > I've tried gas through the priming cup, ether etc. but nothing seems > to make > her work. Haven't even gotten a backfire or anything. > > oh well, guess I'll get back out there and try again, this engine > hasn't > been run since 1977ish so it's been a project just getting the wasp > nests > and cobwebs out of her. > > Bob > > -------Original Message------- > > From: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 08/29/04 10:38:30 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] 5HP Economy > > In a message dated 8/28/2004 7:34:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Carrowor at comcast.net writes: > > << 5HP Economy, looks like it's in time, mag & ignitor off the > engine shows > a > pretty good spark but on the engine NOTHING (I even pulled the > head to > check) >> > > Sweet Bob, > > Have you checked for gas? My 5 hp Economy would not start one time > and I > checked a lot of things before finally discovering that the gas had > gone bad > > Put in new gas and fired right up. You might try some ether thru > the > priming > cup and see if it will fire. There are lots of parts people in GEM > that sell > ignitor parts to rebuild if you need them. How about timing, valve > setting, > compression, etc.? Just some things to ponder! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From d.fleming at sasktel.net Sun Aug 29 14:38:07 2004 From: d.fleming at sasktel.net (Don & Kay Fleming) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:38:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy References: <413200B3.000001.03384@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <002101c48e10$c238cda0$6500a8c0@FLEMINGWINXP> Hi Bob, I just had a problem with a 6HP International M that has an ignitor ignition. Could not get a pop out of it. After doing some testing I found the moving contact on the ignitor was not grounding. I ran a small wire from a screw on the magneto to the end of the moving contact on the ignitor. The engine started on the first compression stroke. Hard to believe the shaft was not grounding but that was the problem. Just something to check out. Don Fleming Kipling, Sask. d.fleming at sasktel.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 5HP Economy Hello Tom Yepper, checked the gas, had that problem before also (although my LA ran great on very old "varnish" - LOL) I've tried gas through the priming cup, ether etc. but nothing seems to make her work. Haven't even gotten a backfire or anything. oh well, guess I'll get back out there and try again, this engine hasn't been run since 1977ish so it's been a project just getting the wasp nests and cobwebs out of her. Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/29/04 10:38:30 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] 5HP Economy In a message dated 8/28/2004 7:34:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Carrowor at comcast.net writes: << 5HP Economy, looks like it's in time, mag & ignitor off the engine shows a pretty good spark but on the engine NOTHING (I even pulled the head to check) >> Sweet Bob, Have you checked for gas? My 5 hp Economy would not start one time and I checked a lot of things before finally discovering that the gas had gone bad Put in new gas and fired right up. You might try some ether thru the priming cup and see if it will fire. There are lots of parts people in GEM that sell ignitor parts to rebuild if you need them. How about timing, valve setting, compression, etc.? Just some things to ponder! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alanb2 at webtv.net Sun Aug 29 15:25:03 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:25:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Portland Engine Message-ID: <15481-413257BF-153@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net> Hi Folks, Some of y'all were at Portland and saw the 1 3/4 hp MacLoed I bought. For those of you who couldn't (or wouldn't) be there,,,, It has a nice Webster mag on it. The seller had a hard time starting it for me and blamed it on a wet mag, They didn't cover anything Friday night,,,, EVERYTHING was wet at Portland Saturday. 8>)) Well, I played with the check valve a little but quit because I wasn't at Portland to work on an engine. All I did while at Portland was borrow a file from Dave R's tool box and file some grooves so the gas could get around the ball when it was sucked to the top. A while ago I pulled the fuel line back out of the tank and reworked the check valve some more. At Portland, when I shook it, I could hear the ball moving. At home, when I blew through it, it seemed restricted. So,, I drilled the ball chamber out 1/32 larger than the ball. That's what I do when I build check valves. I put it back together and with the mixer needle open 3/4 turn I retarded the timing lever, closed the choke and pulled the flyheels over once. Then I open the choke and pulled it over just once to have her fire up and run sweet. Advanced the timing and this is a keeper. 8>)) BTW, Dave,,,, Arnie offered your file to me,,,, 8>)) Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From Carrowor at comcast.net Sun Aug 29 16:52:21 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:52:21 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy References: <20040829.123654.1220.6.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <41326C35.000001.03084@NOTEBOOK> Thanks for the suggestions, I've kicked the idea around about running it on a buzz box, but ruins the esthetics for me if ya know what I mean. Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/29/04 12:39:24 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] 5HP Economy Hi Bob, Well - - - I know nothing about igniters except that everyone seems to have problems with them. 1.) My first suggestion would be to talk to someone like Ted Brookover who knows more that I ever will. 2.) My other suggestion would be to rig up a wiper on the cam gear and run it with a buzz coil & battery. But please get more opinions on that. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:20:10 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Bob Jacobs" writes: > I Hope someone can help me out a bit. > > 5HP Economy, looks like it's in time, mag & ignitor off the engine > shows a > pretty good spark but on the engine NOTHING (I even pulled the head > to > check) > > Before anyone gets upset over pulling the head, I'm glad I did, big > mess in > the water jacket in the head, should run nice and cool now (if I > can ever > get it started} > > Anyone know where I could obtain some mica for the ignitor??? only > thing I > can figure is the isolated point mica has to be shorted out under > compression. > > Any and all suggestions, ideas or help in any form will be very > much > appreciated!! > > Bob > Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, > others just use the initials! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Carrowor at comcast.net Sun Aug 29 16:59:32 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:59:32 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy References: <002101c48e10$c238cda0$6500a8c0@FLEMINGWINXP> Message-ID: <41326DE4.000005.03084@NOTEBOOK> Excellent suggestion Don. I think I'll set that up first thing tomorrow morning. That would very well explain an intermittent spark that I'm encountering but never thought about it!! Got the old girl spinning under her own power at least today. changed the angle of the stationary contact point and looks like I'm getting a much hotter spark, still intermittent but I have a feeling your suggestion will solve that problem. Lots of old carbon and grease on this girl and could just be not grounding properly either!! Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/29/04 18:11:42 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] 5HP Economy Hi Bob, I just had a problem with a 6HP International M that has an ignitor ignition. Could not get a pop out of it. After doing some testing I found the moving contact on the ignitor was not grounding. I ran a small wire from a screw on the magneto to the end of the moving contact on the ignitor. The engine started on the first compression stroke. Hard to believe the shaft was not grounding but that was the problem. Just something to check out. Don Fleming Kipling, Sask. d.fleming at sasktel.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 5HP Economy Hello Tom Yepper, checked the gas, had that problem before also (although my LA ran great on very old "varnish" - LOL) I've tried gas through the priming cup, ether etc. but nothing seems to make her work. Haven't even gotten a backfire or anything. oh well, guess I'll get back out there and try again, this engine hasn't been run since 1977ish so it's been a project just getting the wasp nests and cobwebs out of her. Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/29/04 10:38:30 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] 5HP Economy In a message dated 8/28/2004 7:34:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Carrowor at comcast.net writes: << 5HP Economy, looks like it's in time, mag & ignitor off the engine shows a pretty good spark but on the engine NOTHING (I even pulled the head to check) >> Sweet Bob, Have you checked for gas? My 5 hp Economy would not start one time and I checked a lot of things before finally discovering that the gas had gone bad Put in new gas and fired right up. You might try some ether thru the priming cup and see if it will fire. There are lots of parts people in GEM that sell ignitor parts to rebuild if you need them. How about timing, valve setting, compression, etc.? Just some things to ponder! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Carrowor at comcast.net Sun Aug 29 17:02:34 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 20:02:34 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: Fw: Re: [SEL] 5HP Economy Message-ID: <41326E9A.000007.03084@NOTEBOOK> Excellent suggestion Don. I think I'll set that up first thing tomorrow morning. That would very well explain an intermittent spark that I'm encountering but never thought about it!! Got the old girl spinning under her own power at least today. Changed the angle of the stationary contact point and looks like I'm getting a much hotter spark, still intermittent but I have a feeling your suggestion will solve that problem. Lots of old carbon and grease on this girl and could just be not grounding properly either!! Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/29/04 18:11:42 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] 5HP Economy Hi Bob, I just had a problem with a 6HP International M that has an ignitor ignition. Could not get a pop out of it. After doing some testing I found the moving contact on the ignitor was not grounding. I ran a small wire from a screw on the magneto to the end of the moving contact on the ignitor. The engine started on the first compression stroke. Hard to believe the shaft was not grounding but that was the problem. Just something to check out. Don Fleming Kipling, Sask. d.fleming at sasktel.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 5HP Economy Hello Tom Yepper, checked the gas, had that problem before also (although my LA ran great on very old "varnish" - LOL) I've tried gas through the priming cup, ether etc. but nothing seems to make her work. Haven't even gotten a backfire or anything. oh well, guess I'll get back out there and try again, this engine hasn't been run since 1977ish so it's been a project just getting the wasp nests and cobwebs out of her. Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/29/04 10:38:30 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] 5HP Economy In a message dated 8/28/2004 7:34:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Carrowor at comcast.net writes: << 5HP Economy, looks like it's in time, mag & ignitor off the engine shows a pretty good spark but on the engine NOTHING (I even pulled the head to check) >> Sweet Bob, Have you checked for gas? My 5 hp Economy would not start one time and I checked a lot of things before finally discovering that the gas had gone bad Put in new gas and fired right up. You might try some ether thru the priming cup and see if it will fire. There are lots of parts people in GEM that sell ignitor parts to rebuild if you need them. How about timing, valve setting, compression, etc.? Just some things to ponder! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Aug 29 17:07:57 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 01:07:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2004 Message-ID: We've just got back home after our return flight from Chicago, left Muncie at 2am local time, so pretty bushed! We had a GREAT time !! no other word for it. We allowed extra time this year for the travelling and also time to go to Dayton again, and also Indianapolis, to the museum there. We were extraordinarily lucky with the weather, with minimum disruption through rain, but noticed on our way out of Ft Wayne that a huge bank of cloud and rain was piled up southwards, and judging by the emails from the guys at Portland it hit some time on the weekend. We had evening storms as we returned to Muncie, with evening temperatures up at 87 Deg F with very high humidity. Everything worked really well this year, the List dinner at the Back 40 was superb, and Glenn Karch excelled himself as the auctioneer after the meal. Engines and faces were more familiar to us this year, but lots of new stuff to look at and photograph. Took 650+ pictures, so will have to start on editing them and getting them up on the website as soon as we have had some rest. Special thanks to Dave Rotigel, Jim Dunmyer and Curt Holland for fetching stuff to the show for us, and we were able to bring some stuff back home for Dolly as well. The sales area was expanded this year, and despite having three full days on the site we kept on coming across things we had missed or had come in during the day. We were able to spend time this year on looking in more detail at specific engines, and a lot of the pictures we took are details of engines as well as an overall shot. A looooong chat/discussion with Richard Baccus was one of the highlights of the last day, thanks to Richard for an excellent discussion, not often you get the chance to get firsthand feedback from the GEM editor :-)) That's all for now, off to bed! It is now 1am on Monday morning. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Carrowor at comcast.net Sun Aug 29 18:08:43 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:08:43 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Yet another question Message-ID: <41327E1B.000003.03688@NOTEBOOK> Hey troops, I'm just loaded with questions these days. This 5HP Economy I'm working on is equipped with a disengaging pulley. Currently this pulley's clutching mechanisim is bypassed via four bolts holding it ridgid. I tore into it today only to find that there is two shoes inside similar to brake shoes on a car. It appears that at some point and time these shoes had some type of lining on them to provide enough friction for it to actually be able to drive a piece of equipment. Now the question is, does anyone have an idea or knowledge of a person or place I could send these shoes to and have them re-lined so the clutch will actually function as it's intended to do. Steel to steel just isn't gonna drive anything very well. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From Aermoter at aol.com Sun Aug 29 18:50:26 2004 From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:50:26 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT - another question.... Message-ID: <8b.1390f76f.2e63e1e2@aol.com> In a message dated 8/29/2004 2:02:59 AM Central Daylight Time, rwenig at cable-lynx.net writes: Now to explain the differences: What you are calling a hip roof is known to me as a cottage style roof. I don't recall hearing the Gambrel name before. Your Gambrel is what I am calling a "hip roof". Even the lumber yards around here use the term "hip roof" for the double sloped roof. Your gable roof appears to be the same as ours Kinda of makes it hard to explain things sometimes doesn't it? Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. Aermoter at aol.com From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Aug 29 19:16:53 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 22:16:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy Message-ID: <20040829.222927.648.5.jlb94@juno.com> Yep - Know exactly what you mean about esthetics . Well - - - Keep us informed what you find out. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:52:21 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Bob Jacobs" writes: > Thanks for the suggestions, I've kicked the idea around about running > it on > a buzz box, but ruins the esthetics for me if ya know what I mean. > > > Bob > > -------Original Message------- > > From: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 08/29/04 12:39:24 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] 5HP Economy > > Hi Bob, > Well - - - I know nothing about igniters except that everyone seems > to > have problems with them. > > 1.) My first suggestion would be to talk to someone like Ted > Brookover > who knows more that I ever will. > 2.) My other suggestion would be to rig up a wiper on the cam gear > and > run it with a buzz coil & battery. > > But please get more opinions on that. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - > \/)"(\/ but only half as long." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:20:10 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Bob > Jacobs" > writes: > > I Hope someone can help me out a bit. > > > > > > 5HP Economy, looks like it's in time, mag & ignitor off the > engine > > shows a > > pretty good spark but on the engine NOTHING (I even pulled the > head > > to > > check) > > > > > > Before anyone gets upset over pulling the head, I'm glad I did, > big > > mess in > > the water jacket in the head, should run nice and cool now (if > I > > can ever > > get it started} > > > > > > Anyone know where I could obtain some mica for the ignitor??? > only > > thing I > > can figure is the isolated point mica has to be shorted out > under > > compression. > > > > > > Any and all suggestions, ideas or help in any form will be very > > much > > appreciated!! > > > > > > Bob > > > Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, > > > others just use the initials! > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Aug 29 20:11:43 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:11:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Pushing the Envelope Message-ID: <20040829.231143.1152.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hey Guys - I just got to read my Sept. GEM. Wow - Steve - What a great idea ! Loved reading about your "other" hobby. and - in "If It Ain't Broke . . . page 33 Can someone tell me what "Haxle" is ? I've seen these "haxel" cutter around but never knew what they were for. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From wilson at stny.rr.com Sun Aug 29 20:49:31 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:49:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland hotels Message-ID: Sould someone please tell me AGAIN :( what the two hotels are that are really close to the engine show? I think one is a Super 8? I donno what the other one is - not the dive.. I'd like to come next year and bring with me my best lady friend yet :) and of course Skip's 18HP Christensen too :) Thanks, Glenn From wilson at stny.rr.com Sun Aug 29 20:50:12 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:50:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 dates? Message-ID: Someone listed these already. What are they again? Thanks, Glenn Wilson From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Aug 29 21:03:59 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:03:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] PUCE Sunglasses FOUND at Portland Message-ID: <003901c48e46$60f39e90$0400a8c0@Dave> Hi All, When we (Arnie, Mel, Susan, Mike, Curt, Missie, Steve, Devin, Lincoln, and I) were packing up the List area at Portland this morning we found a pair of Chick's sunglasses. We know they must belong to some Chick because they are puce in colo(u)r--some might call the colo(u)r purple! The glasses are Ray-Ban brand and have a neckie thingie that is multi colo(u)red (yellow, blue, puce, red, and orange--in that order.) If whoever owns these glasses will simply respond to this post on List I will send these PUCE glasses to the rightful owner by snail. Mel says they are GOOD QUALITY glasses, although NOT prescription. Dave PS, There was some discussion that these glasses might belong to a "girly man" (AKA a democrat.) Whatever, the ATIS Engine area at Portland is an inclusive place for ALL who appreciate old engines--even "girly men!" From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Aug 29 21:06:46 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:06:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland hotels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4132A7D6.5080800@scrtc.com> Glenn, Super 8 and Hoosier Inn are the 2 near the entrance. However, both have long standing reservations for the show and swap dates. I understand they will put your name on a list in January if an opening comes up but I would say it would be highly unlikely that one would as the list probably has 20 plus names on it already. If you are lucky enough to land one, get ready to pay. The Super 8 rooms will cost you about $125/night, Hoosier about $100. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Glenn Wilson wrote: >Sould someone please tell me AGAIN :( what the two hotels are that are >really close to >the engine show? I think one is a Super 8? I donno what the other one is - >not the >dive.. >I'd like to come next year and bring with me my best lady friend yet :) >and of course Skip's 18HP Christensen too :) > >Thanks, Glenn >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From pwaugh at mchsi.com Sun Aug 29 21:15:38 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:15:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 dates? References: Message-ID: <00b501c48e48$03b79950$0300a8c0@paul> According to my new spiffy calendar, Aug 24,25,26,27 of 2005 Paul Waugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: ".Newsgroup ATIS" Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 10:50 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 dates? > Someone listed these already. What are they again? > Thanks, Glenn Wilson > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Aug 29 21:17:06 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:17:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland hotels References: <4132A7D6.5080800@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <007201c48e48$36600b30$0400a8c0@Dave> Hello Judge, I don't expect you to know but someone on the List must. What is the name of that girly man's motel that rents it's rooms by the hour? Dave > Glenn, > > Super 8 and Hoosier Inn are the 2 near the entrance. However, both > have long standing reservations for the show and swap dates. I > understand they will put your name on a list in January if an opening > comes up but I would say it would be highly unlikely that one would as > the list probably has 20 plus names on it already. If you are lucky > enough to land one, get ready to pay. The Super 8 rooms will cost you > about $125/night, Hoosier about $100. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > Glenn Wilson wrote: > > >Sould someone please tell me AGAIN :( what the two hotels are that are > >really close to > >the engine show? I think one is a Super 8? I donno what the other one is - > >not the > >dive.. > >I'd like to come next year and bring with me my best lady friend yet :) > >and of course Skip's 18HP Christensen too :) > > > >Thanks, Glenn > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From wilson at stny.rr.com Sun Aug 29 22:17:08 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 01:17:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland hotels In-Reply-To: <007201c48e48$36600b30$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: Something like Hooker Hotel and it is a DIVE. Glenn Wilson -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 12:17 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland hotels Hello Judge, I don't expect you to know but someone on the List must. What is the name of that girly man's motel that rents it's rooms by the hour? Dave > Glenn, > > Super 8 and Hoosier Inn are the 2 near the entrance. However, both > have long standing reservations for the show and swap dates. I > understand they will put your name on a list in January if an opening > comes up but I would say it would be highly unlikely that one would as > the list probably has 20 plus names on it already. If you are lucky > enough to land one, get ready to pay. The Super 8 rooms will cost you > about $125/night, Hoosier about $100. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > Glenn Wilson wrote: > > >Sould someone please tell me AGAIN :( what the two hotels are that are > >really close to > >the engine show? I think one is a Super 8? I donno what the other one is - > >not the > >dive.. > >I'd like to come next year and bring with me my best lady friend yet :) > >and of course Skip's 18HP Christensen too :) > > > >Thanks, Glenn > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gwaugh at wowway.com Sun Aug 29 22:20:17 2004 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:20:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - another question.... In-Reply-To: <8b.1390f76f.2e63e1e2@aol.com> Message-ID: <000e01c48e51$09da8eb0$6501a8c0@kgw2400amd> This really does get confusing---to me, the double pitched roof is a "gambrel", or very typical Midwest barn roof. Of course, in many parts of the Midwest (especially up into Minnesota, etc., the barns have curved roofs...this is just to disprove my definition of the gambrel!! For me, the "hip roof", is as has been explained already---if on a square building, the roof would meet in a point; if rectangular, there would be a short ridge. Gene Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Aermoter at aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 8:50 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - another question.... In a message dated 8/29/2004 2:02:59 AM Central Daylight Time, rwenig at cable-lynx.net writes: Now to explain the differences: What you are calling a hip roof is known to me as a cottage style roof. I don't recall hearing the Gambrel name before. Your Gambrel is what I am calling a "hip roof". Even the lumber yards around here use the term "hip roof" for the double sloped roof. Your gable roof appears to be the same as ours Kinda of makes it hard to explain things sometimes doesn't it? Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. Aermoter at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From maytag_eradication_initiative at yahoo.com Mon Aug 30 02:03:02 2004 From: maytag_eradication_initiative at yahoo.com (Hugh Jorgan) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 02:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland hotels In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040830090302.82582.qmail@web50307.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Winslow, Sounds like the snake didn't get you. Lucky you. I believe that the establishment you are thinking of is called The Terrace Lodge Motel; where "Colored TV" (as YOU know) has a whole different meaning. I have never heard a female gerbil refferred to as a "lady friend", but hey, whatever yanks your crank, and if anyone knows crank yankin', it's you! Later, Hugh Hugh Jorgan Maytag Eradication Initiative --- Glenn Wilson wrote: > Sould someone please tell me AGAIN :( what the two hotels are that > are > really close to > the engine show? I think one is a Super 8? I donno what the other > one is - > not the > dive.. > I'd like to come next year and bring with me my best lady friend > yet :) > and of course Skip's 18HP Christensen too :) > > Thanks, Glenn > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From oldengin at udata.com Mon Aug 30 06:12:18 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:12:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sunglasses FOUND at Portland and other sundries... In-Reply-To: <003901c48e46$60f39e90$0400a8c0@Dave> References: <003901c48e46$60f39e90$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <413327B2.7060804@udata.com> BTW sorry we did not stop to say bye... Rain was on its way and we where trying to hurry. Did not get around fast enough as I was soaked sitting in line to leave. The bad part of this fine show is that when it starts it has to end. If any of you have never been there then it is a must on your list cause if you can only do one show a year this is the show....... My new home is much better than the one in front of the log cabin and from the sounds of it was much dryer. This had to be the best one yet as it was close to record number of campers, vendors, ENGINS, steam, models, members and gate.... The only slight draw back was the rain and man did it pour, but for the most of you who have done this show- Would it be Portland with out rain???? We had a great time and hope everyone else did also. And I am sorry to have missed the photo shot, but was informed not everyone wanted to see an eclipse 8-) Brandi and I where out after the charity auction on Thur. and the section called "FRENCHIES" looked like a party. People everywhere and most with at least one bag on there hands, and some had even made some purchases.... Again THANKS to all for your help and friendship in this the 39th show.............. ps I did conduct some sermons and think I got one or two converts!!!! -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From shop at cccomm.net Mon Aug 30 06:29:25 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 06:29:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Minden 2004 Show Message-ID: <004f01c48e95$5e9b16b0$6401a8c0@Shop> Here are some pictures from the Minden Nevada show. Dave E http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31385643&f= From Carrowor at comcast.net Mon Aug 30 06:39:25 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:39:25 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Minden 2004 Show References: <004f01c48e95$5e9b16b0$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <41332E0D.000001.01008@NOTEBOOK> Nice Pics Only problem is that you didn't deliver that little steamer here!!! Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/30/04 09:30:34 To: Engine List Subject: [SEL] Minden 2004 Show Here are some pictures from the Minden Nevada show. Dave E http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31385643&f= _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldengin at udata.com Mon Aug 30 06:56:46 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:56:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT keyless remote program In-Reply-To: <20040830090302.82582.qmail@web50307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040830090302.82582.qmail@web50307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4133321E.1020205@udata.com> Gday I need help programming a keyless remote for a Ford... Anyone with some link or ideas will be appreciated THanks -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Aug 30 07:10:18 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:10:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] PUCE Sunglasses FOUND at Portland References: <003901c48e46$60f39e90$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <4133354A.5E56CE4E@insulate.co.uk> Hi Dave I can't imagine who would own a pair of PURPLE sunglasses besides me! Are you quite sure you're not just trying to give them a bad press so you get to keep them for yourself? The purple would make a nice contrast with the red suspenders. Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Aug 30 07:42:04 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:42:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] New Portland Engine Message-ID: Glad you got her running Alan. I knew it was a fuel problem. When you cover the mixer opening like that and crank and crank and crank with no fuel running out, something's not right :-) Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================= >From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] New Portland Engine >Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:25:03 -0400 > >Hi Folks, > >Some of y'all were at Portland and saw the 1 3/4 hp MacLoed I bought. >For those of you who couldn't (or wouldn't) be there,,,, It has a nice >Webster mag on it. > >The seller had a hard time starting it for me and blamed it on a wet >mag, They didn't cover anything Friday night,,,, EVERYTHING was wet >at Portland Saturday. 8>)) > >Well, I played with the check valve a little but quit because I wasn't >at Portland to work on an engine. All I did while at Portland was >borrow a file from Dave R's tool box and file some grooves so the gas >could get around the ball when it was sucked to the top. > >A while ago I pulled the fuel line back out of the tank and reworked the >check valve some more. At Portland, when I shook it, I could hear the >ball moving. At home, when I blew through it, it seemed restricted. >So,, I drilled the ball chamber out 1/32 larger than the ball. > >That's what I do when I build check valves. >I put it back together and with the mixer needle open 3/4 turn I >retarded the timing lever, closed the choke and pulled the flyheels over >once. Then I open the choke and pulled it over just once to have her >fire up and run sweet. Advanced the timing and this is a keeper. 8>)) > >BTW, Dave,,,, Arnie offered your file to me,,,, 8>)) > >Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net >Williamsburg, Michigan _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 30 08:02:09 2004 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:02:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT But Everyone's in Portland Anyway Message-ID: >>>I understand that a lot...when I'm not working on rusty iron I'm >>>exploring caves. Come back from a good trip with all kinds of scrapes >>>and bruises! >>>B? >>>Bill Brueck (brick) >>>Chatfield, Minnesota USA You and my kid, Bill. Missouri is a great state for spelunking ? his college work in geology didn?t help any. He?s a copper in Colorado now, but still finds time for a brief visit between caving expeditions when he comes back for a wedding or something. And don?t forget the clay mud. That went in the washing machine exactly once before momma put a stop to that. He bought an old wringer Maytag for caving clothes. I just go to the thrift shop/used uniform place where I can get a whole outfit for a buck. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Lenexa, KS sluggo54 at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 30 08:06:00 2004 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:06:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Valve Spring Installation Message-ID: >>>Hi Bruce, >>>For putting the valves back in, first put on your eye protection, then, >>>put a valve spring in your bench vise with about a third exposed. >>>Compress it gently but not quite all the way. Use a nylon string to pass >>>through the valve spring, end to end, and tie it in the compressed mode. >>>Loosen the vise, turn the valve spring half way and repeat. At this >>>point you have the valve spring in the compressed mode, tied by string on >>>each side. Install, cut string, and pull out the string with your >>>needlenose pliers. >>>Regards, >>>Ron Carroll >>>Clearmont, MO >>>(Where we had RAIN last night.) Dang, Ron ? seems simple enough. There?s a talent to doing things the easy way, I guess. Shame I don?t have it. And TELL me about the rain. We were on our way to Columbia. Was wishing for one of those propeller hitch covers. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Lenexa, KS sluggo54 at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From mraasch at hickorytech.net Mon Aug 30 08:59:00 2004 From: mraasch at hickorytech.net (Marc Raasch) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:59:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy engine Message-ID: <000d01c48eaa$44224e60$edff72d8@hickorytech.net> Hello I have a Economy engine and don't know the year. Serial # 2593 stamped on the end of the crank shaft. Staped with a D and 2 1/2 hp It's a good runner had it at Lesuer Pioneer power worked good all three days. M raasch St Peter Mn., Thanks mraasch at hickorytech.net From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Aug 30 09:21:02 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:21:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Barber Bro's. engine Message-ID: <200408301621.i7UGL5cK058897@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi, I recently acquired a 3 Horse Barber Bro's vert. engine. Would anyone on the list have any information on this engine? Right now it is in port Ewen NY.[near Kingston].It needs a lift towards San Francisco Ca. or any points west. I think I could forward a picture to anyone that could put up on their sight if it would help. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Aug 30 09:16:40 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:16:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC 3hp M Message-ID: Howdy all; Well my machinist bud Spudhead finally got the bug. Got himself a real nice 3hp M for 60 bucks...aarrgghhhh!!! It's got the IHC low tension mag and igniter. Any helpful hints out there? I believe the valves are stuck...other than that, she should run. Thanks much!! RickinMt. PS: Mr. Hammink..I've sic'd him on your site. Thanks much!!! From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Aug 30 10:01:52 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:01:52 +0200 Subject: [SEL] IHC 3hp M References: Message-ID: <000f01c48eb3$0c453990$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Rick he always is welcome and since he has an ignitor fired one he will get a nice and quietly running engine when it's done. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Howdy all; > Well my machinist bud Spudhead finally got the bug. Got himself a real > nice 3hp M for 60 bucks...aarrgghhhh!!! It's got the IHC low tension mag > and igniter. > Any helpful hints out there? I believe the valves are stuck...other than > that, she should run. > > Thanks much!! > RickinMt. > PS: Mr. Hammink..I've sic'd him on your site. Thanks much!!! From pwaugh at mchsi.com Mon Aug 30 10:11:20 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:11:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] portland pics Message-ID: <002001c48eb4$5eb1bae0$0300a8c0@paul> I think this will work to see what I came up with for Portland .. just go to Portland albums http://community.webshots.com/user/pwaugh63 Paul Waugh From glenn.karch at gte.net Mon Aug 30 10:16:46 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:16:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy engine References: <000d01c48eaa$44224e60$edff72d8@hickorytech.net> Message-ID: <001101c48eb5$236eb860$4229ea41@oemcomputer> Marc, Your D Economy was made in the first half of 1914. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Raasch" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:59 AM Subject: [SEL] Economy engine > Hello > I have a Economy engine and don't know the year. > Serial # 2593 stamped on the end of the crank shaft. > Staped with a D and 2 1/2 hp > It's a good runner had it at Lesuer Pioneer power > worked good all three days. > M raasch St Peter Mn., Thanks > mraasch at hickorytech.net > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Aug 30 10:22:14 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:22:14 EDT Subject: [SEL] portland pics Message-ID: <29.6061d87d.2e64bc46@aol.com> Thanks for sharing your pictures. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 30 10:33:57 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:33:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland hotels References: <4132A7D6.5080800@scrtc.com> <007201c48e48$36600b30$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <41336505.3020301@imc-group.com> Dave/Glenn, That would be the old Terrace Lodge Motel. However, I noticed it has a new sign and name. It is the Economy "something". But you know... Same dive, different Indian..... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Dave Rotigel wrote: >Hello Judge, > I don't expect you to know but someone on the List must. What is the >name of that girly man's motel that rents it's rooms by the hour? > Dave > > > >>Glenn, >> >> Super 8 and Hoosier Inn are the 2 near the entrance. However, both >>have long standing reservations for the show and swap dates. I >>understand they will put your name on a list in January if an opening >>comes up but I would say it would be highly unlikely that one would as >>the list probably has 20 plus names on it already. If you are lucky >>enough to land one, get ready to pay. The Super 8 rooms will cost you >>about $125/night, Hoosier about $100. >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> >>Glenn Wilson wrote: >> >> >> >>>Sould someone please tell me AGAIN :( what the two hotels are that are >>>really close to >>>the engine show? I think one is a Super 8? I donno what the other one >>> >>> >is - > > >>>not the >>>dive.. >>>I'd like to come next year and bring with me my best lady friend yet :) >>>and of course Skip's 18HP Christensen too :) >>> >>>Thanks, Glenn >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 30 10:45:59 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:45:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Yet another question References: <41327E1B.000003.03688@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <413367D7.6080303@imc-group.com> Bob, If your clutch is a typical Herc clutch (Bierman I think) then the shoes are made of wood. Just use some small blocks of oak, trace the radius on them, and cut 'em out. There are two carriage style bolts that get c'snk in the radiused side. Make adjustments so all 4 are dragging/pulling equally and then adjust all evenly so a good hard push snaps the clutch in the locked position. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. We'd all like to see pictures of your engine! P.P.S. Really like your SOB sig line. Bob Jacobs wrote: > Hey troops, > > > >I'm just loaded with questions these days. > > > >This 5HP Economy I'm working on is equipped with a disengaging pulley. > >Currently this pulley's clutching mechanisim is bypassed via four bolts >holding > >it ridgid. I tore into it today only to find that there is two shoes inside >similar > >to brake shoes on a car. It appears that at some point and time these shoes > >had some type of lining on them to provide enough friction for it to >actually be > >able to drive a piece of equipment. > > > >Now the question is, does anyone have an idea or knowledge of a person or > >place I could send these shoes to and have them re-lined so the clutch will > >actually function as it's intended to do. Steel to steel just isn't gonna >drive > >anything very well. > > > >Bob > >Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, > >others just use the initials! >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jbcast at charter.net Mon Aug 30 10:59:21 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:59:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT keyless remote program Message-ID: <391to2$7ie07u@mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net> > Subject: [SEL] OT keyless remote program > > Gday > I need help programming a keyless remote for a Ford... Anyone with > some link or ideas will be appreciated THanks > Leroy, let me know the year and model, I'll let you know the procedure. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Aug 30 11:28:40 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:28:40 +0200 Subject: [SEL] portland pics References: <002001c48eb4$5eb1bae0$0300a8c0@paul> Message-ID: <000501c48ebf$2c6327d0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Paul, Thanks for sharing the Portland pics, got me a little idea how it was. Is that Neville Beauty from the UK in pic IMG_404? Thanks again, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web I think this will work to see what I came up with for Portland .. just go to Portland albums http://community.webshots.com/user/pwaugh63 Paul Waugh From Carrowor at comcast.net Mon Aug 30 12:15:43 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:15:43 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Yet another question References: <413367D7.6080303@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <41337CDF.000003.03020@NOTEBOOK> Well Shoot, It doesn't appear to be the "typical" Herc clutch but it might be. I'll be back at it a little later and see what I can figure out. I'd love to post pics but not sure where or how. Being an over the road trucker for the past 28 years I'm amazed that I can still type let alone figure this internet out. All I know how to do is make lame excuses to the DOT and my dispatcher as to what was going on. LOL Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/30/04 13:45:40 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Yet another question Bob, If your clutch is a typical Herc clutch (Bierman I think) then the shoes are made of wood. Just use some small blocks of oak, trace the radius on them, and cut 'em out. There are two carriage style bolts that get c'snk in the radiused side. Make adjustments so all 4 are dragging/pulling equally and then adjust all evenly so a good hard push snaps the clutch in the locked position. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. We'd all like to see pictures of your engine! P.P.S. Really like your SOB sig line. Bob Jacobs wrote: > Hey troops, > > > >I'm just loaded with questions these days. > > > >This 5HP Economy I'm working on is equipped with a disengaging pulley. > >Currently this pulley's clutching mechanisim is bypassed via four bolts >holding > >it ridgid. I tore into it today only to find that there is two shoes inside >similar > >to brake shoes on a car. It appears that at some point and time these shoes > >had some type of lining on them to provide enough friction for it to >actually be > >able to drive a piece of equipment. > > > >Now the question is, does anyone have an idea or knowledge of a person or > >place I could send these shoes to and have them re-lined so the clutch will > >actually function as it's intended to do. Steel to steel just isn't gonna >drive > >anything very well. > > > >Bob > >Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, > >others just use the initials! >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldengin at udata.com Mon Aug 30 12:46:04 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:46:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves In-Reply-To: <3a6eho$6usb73@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3a6eho$6usb73@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <413383FC.3020305@udata.com> > > >>My question - - - What kind of valve spring compressor might I use on >>this engine ? >> >> >> want a cheap compressor? take an old putty knife and cut a groove down the middle and use it instead of screwdrivers.. Thinner and you will only need two hands. I, like JB, use grease to hold the keepers on a small screwdriver and then turn them to the back so the other can be installed, then release the pressure of the putty knife and you are all set.. I have 4 different compressors and the putty knife, it still is used on a few tight work places. -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 30 14:57:16 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Engines, not so stationary In-Reply-To: <200408181740.i7IHeOdr152646262@goku.city-net.com> References: <200408181740.i7IHeOdr152646262@goku.city-net.com> Message-ID: Jeeze Rob, she's wearing shorts!!! 8-)) Great pics BTW. See ya, Arnie On Wed, 18 Aug 2004, Rob Skinner wrote: > http://engines.rustyiron.com/lanevictory From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Aug 30 15:21:24 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:21:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Minden 2004 Show In-Reply-To: <004f01c48e95$5e9b16b0$6401a8c0@Shop> References: <004f01c48e95$5e9b16b0$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: Hey, that old crawler tractor is cool! On Aug 30, 2004, at 9:29 AM, Dave Ernst wrote: > Here are some pictures from the Minden Nevada show. > > Dave E > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31385643&f= John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 30 15:47:33 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland, The Olde Iron Road In-Reply-To: <006d01c48625$d783fd80$0300a8c0@paul> References: <000601c48560$e9f4b6a0$d2b6f504@x8h7l9> <006d01c48625$d783fd80$0300a8c0@paul> Message-ID: Hi Paul, On Thu, 19 Aug 2004, Paul wrote: > Main St is US 27 ... basically after the 22nd of August just follow the old > iron on trailers, prolly can start doing that 50 miles out and they will get > you there Dave and I had an interesting experience LEAVING Portland on Sunday. Just after getting onto I-70 East, we were in stopped traffic. And what an interesting "engine show" it was. Leading off was the Farmer family with the big Fairbanks-Morse diesel, then their Reid, then my Bessemer and Crossley, then Dave's 15 hp Famous. Quite an Olde Iron Road on display. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 30 15:44:54 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:44:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thanks for the Card Message-ID: <003401c48ee2$f8468220$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Hi Folks, many thanks for the Card, it made Jen cry, her Dad passed away last monday and we had the funneral on Wed. Thanks again, your all the tops. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Aug 30 07:19:18 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:19:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Lake Portland Message-ID: Yes Leroy it certainly is the greatest!! We loaded up after the ankle deep water drained off a little bit. We finished loading when it was raining again. Loved every minute of it and wouldn't have wanted to change it. I will remember this one for a looooong time. That's why we go, for the "Portland Experience". Didn't get a chance to chat with you Leroy, but want to thank you very much for roping off the camping area. I really appreciate it. Also thanks to Dave for organizing the dinner and roping off the display area. Thanks to Glenn for doing the auction. Thanks to everyone else that took part in making Portland what it is. It's not just the show that makes it great it is the people from the SEL that make it the best show. Shirley and Brooky had a wonderful time too. It was great seeing all of my SEL friends. Can't wait until next year!! They just seem to get better and better. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========================== >From: "Leroy C." >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Lake Portland >Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:01:05 -0400 > >STill the greatest show on earth!!!!! Yes we did get caught up in some of >the rain as we where close to leaving when we got stuck in the out pour of >autos and campers leaving, took us 40 minutes from the camp ground to reach >St. Rt. 27. As we worked our way home here in Ohia water was across >Interstate 75 in Lima and traffic was backed up about 5 mile, we got off on >4th street and took another route home with little trouble with water ( did >drive into the water across the exit ramp that was over my trailer lights) >this was not a pretty sight. Also ask me what I think of michelin tires >some time as I have 3 with holes on this trip!!!!!!!!!! > >-- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > >"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > >better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From jhcullom at adelphia.net Mon Aug 30 14:43:45 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:43:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] portland pics References: <002001c48eb4$5eb1bae0$0300a8c0@paul> Message-ID: <002501c48eda$6df08330$6401a8c0@john> Paul, I haven't gotten to the Portland pics yet, but I gotta know, what happened in the Christmas 2003 album? Is that you? Looks like you got hit with a BFH.... John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" I think this will work to see what I came up with for Portland .. just go to Portland albums http://community.webshots.com/user/pwaugh63 From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 30 17:42:32 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:42:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 dates? References: <00b501c48e48$03b79950$0300a8c0@paul> Message-ID: <005401c48ef3$67790cc0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > According to my new spiffy calendar, Aug 24,25,26,27 of 2005 > > Paul Waugh > darn did I miss something ? Chuck From pwaugh at mchsi.com Mon Aug 30 17:52:16 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:52:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] portland pics References: <002001c48eb4$5eb1bae0$0300a8c0@paul> <002501c48eda$6df08330$6401a8c0@john> Message-ID: <004501c48ef4$c3111ea0$0300a8c0@paul> OK, that is nose surgery for skin cancer from tooo much sun ..beware :)) Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] portland pics > Paul, > I haven't gotten to the Portland pics yet, but I gotta know, what happened > in the Christmas 2003 album? Is that you? Looks like you got hit with a > BFH.... > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul" > I think this will work to see what I came up with for Portland .. just go to > Portland albums > http://community.webshots.com/user/pwaugh63 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ivancou at usachoice.net Mon Aug 30 17:59:10 2004 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:59:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] portland pics References: <002001c48eb4$5eb1bae0$0300a8c0@paul> Message-ID: <002601c48ef5$ba692080$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Wow ! Major puddles . I've been there before when it rains , I remember one year they were going around with a small backhoe digging ditches . Ivan From pwaugh at mchsi.com Mon Aug 30 18:02:39 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:02:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 dates? References: <00b501c48e48$03b79950$0300a8c0@paul> <005401c48ef3$67790cc0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <004b01c48ef6$362bb6b0$0300a8c0@paul> May be Chuck the calendar which this is the first year, looks real good .. ATIS people and engines are well represented .. the neat thing, it has show dates for the surrounding area all year long, and a CONTACT number .. great calendar Paul > > > > According to my new spiffy calendar, Aug 24,25,26,27 of 2005 > > > > Paul Waugh > > > > darn did I miss something ? > > > Chuck > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 30 18:10:09 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Lake Portland In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Luke, Man you hit the ol' nail on the head with this post! Portland IS the people!! Once again I managed to spend a week there and not get to see much of the ENGINE show. But I had a ball!! And the ones who weren't there this year were greatly missed. One of the highlights for me was watching one of Neville Beaty's engine mates (Craig Morrison) experience Portland for the first time. Craig is from Scotland and has a really nice engine collection. I think it's fair to say he was like the little kid in the candy store. He also got on really well with the list folk so I'm guessing that we'll see him on-list soon. As to Lake Portland, the SEL mob dealt with it really well. I think Lincoln, Brooky, and that other big kid Susan had the most fun of all. I also noticed that the SEL engines were running all through the downpour! This year I was on the receiving end of another "Portland SEL tradition", namely getting a new found engine running. I had gotten a 2 hp Bessemer from Steve Royster that he delivered to Portland. As with many a new engine, no one knows how long it had been since it had run last. That meant a fair amount of work to do. And then comes the point where you try to get a chuff. And THAT is where the list folks really shine. Loads of advice, encouragement, friendly abuse, loan of parts, extra hands, etc. We finally hit the right combination of factors, and CHUFF! Off she went! Ran the rest of the day and all of the next. Even in the HEAVY rain. What a GREAT feeling. Thanks to EVERYONE who helped and heckled. It was great fun!! Another highlight for me was meeting Sweet Thang (aka Carol Ann). Damn what a charming gal!! Steve? She's a KEEPER!! And the best part was watching her asking folks if they'd seen Steve's brother Mike. She said she had a present for him. And I never knew that Mike even played baseball let alone that he needed a new bat. 8-)))) I even had fun on Sunday getting my trailer out of the mud bog. That was the first time that I'd needed a FATG to tow the Jeep and trailer out. But at least it was a RED tractor and he looked like he was having fun too. All in all a GREAT week and I can't wait till 2005!! See ya, Arnie PS - Have folks noticed how many SEL folks are in that nifty Portland calandar? KEWL!! And what a great idea; a calandar that runs from August to August!!!! Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Yes Leroy it certainly is the greatest!! We loaded up after the ankle deep > water drained off a little bit. We finished loading when it was raining > again. Loved every minute of it and wouldn't have wanted to change it. I > will remember this one for a looooong time. That's why we go, for the > "Portland Experience". Didn't get a chance to chat with you Leroy, but want > to thank you very much for roping off the camping area. I really appreciate > it. Also thanks to Dave for organizing the dinner and roping off the > display area. Thanks to Glenn for doing the auction. Thanks to everyone > else that took part in making Portland what it is. It's not just the show > that makes it great it is the people from the SEL that make it the best > show. Shirley and Brooky had a wonderful time too. It was great seeing all > of my SEL friends. Can't wait until next year!! They just seem to get > better and better. From alanb2 at webtv.net Mon Aug 30 18:26:03 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:26:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 dates? In-Reply-To: 's message of Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:42:32 -0500 Message-ID: <6577-4133D3AB-985@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net> Hi Chuck, Yup,,, Anyone that was at the Portland show that did NOT get a show calendar for just five bucks doesn't et to see the picture for April of 2005.It shows the split personallity of our very own Dave Rotigel. It is a picture of him driving his tr@(70r and towing a trailer with his Herc. onto a trailer. I'm just glad there isn't an SEL sign in the picture. Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan ~~~~~Chuck wrote~~~ According to my new spiffy calendar, Aug 24,25,26,27 of 2005 Paul Waugh darn did I miss something ? Chuck From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Aug 30 18:38:02 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:38:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs "Y" Message-ID: <20040830.213802.1208.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Guys, Today - I went into the mag part of the Briggs "Y". Cleaned & Reset the points - Disconnected the Run / Stop switch - Installed a new Capacitor - - - Still the same thing. I get spark - but apparantly not enought to make her fire. As a last resort, I belted the FBriggs up to an electric motor and tried to adjust the carb while it was trying to run - But it seemed hopeless. Finally I gave up and feel that I just aint getting enought spark to make it run. I have another Briggs "Y" and I might see if I can make one good one out of the two. Darn !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From alanb2 at webtv.net Mon Aug 30 18:48:05 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:48:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Portland Engine In-Reply-To: "Luke Tonneberger" 's message of Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:42:04 +0000 Message-ID: <6574-4133D8D5-3577@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net> Ya Luke, I knew it was too. When I pulled the fuel line back out I fully intended on putting one of the check valves I have made on it, but I seem to have misplaced a parts kit. So,,, When I drilled this one out and put it back together actually the first time I pulled it over with the choke closed I got a LOT of gas. Then I remembered I had opened the needle valve up a lot. 8>)) At 3/4 turn open it pulls up enough with one pull of the flywheels then I open the choke all the way to start her. I am anxious to take her to her first local show this weekend. Now to find a bunch of old time thick nuts to get rid of all those silly brass ones. There are three nuts that hold the cylinder base to the crank base. At least the one in the center bottom is an original nut. I guess whoever "restored" it thought that one wouldn't show. I don't call all those brass nuts part of a restoration. I would like to know if the red and green paint is right too. Anyone else got an old 1 3/4 hp H&M MacLeod with a Webster mag that can help with the color question? TIA Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan ~~~~Luke?Tonneberger wrote~~~~ Glad you got her running Alan. I knew it was a fuel problem. When you cover the mixer opening like that and crank and crank and crank with no fuel running out, something's not right :-) Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Aug 30 18:50:37 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:50:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves Message-ID: <20040830.215946.1208.4.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks Leroy I was able to muscle the valve springs out and -to get them back in - I squeezed them in a vice and used a light bailin wire to bind them and insert them. Worked okay - You can read in my last message that the Briggs "Y" just will not run. I think the magnets might need recharged. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:46:04 -0400 "Leroy C." writes: > > > > > >>My question - - - What kind of valve spring compressor might I use > on > >>this engine ? > >> > >> > >> > want a cheap compressor? take an old putty knife and cut a groove > down > the middle and use it instead of screwdrivers.. Thinner and you will > > only need two hands. I, like JB, use grease to hold the keepers on a > > small screwdriver and then turn them to the back so the other can be > > installed, then release the pressure of the putty knife and you are > all > set.. I have 4 different compressors and the putty knife, it still > is > used on a few tight work places. > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From skipl at montana.com Mon Aug 30 20:34:52 2004 From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:34:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy engine References: <000d01c48eaa$44224e60$edff72d8@hickorytech.net> Message-ID: <4133F1DC.2A37AAD0@montana.com> acording to glenn karch, it was built in 1914 skip in nw montana Marc Raasch wrote: > Hello > I have a Economy engine and don't know the year. > Serial # 2593 stamped on the end of the crank shaft. > Staped with a D and 2 1/2 hp > It's a good runner had it at Lesuer Pioneer power > worked good all three days. > M raasch St Peter Mn., Thanks > mraasch at hickorytech.net > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Aug 30 20:33:08 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:33:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 dates? References: <00b501c48e48$03b79950$0300a8c0@paul> <005401c48ef3$67790cc0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <032901c48f0b$3c400fa0$0400a8c0@Dave> > > According to my new spiffy calendar, Aug 24,25,26,27 of 2005 > > > > Paul Waugh > > > > darn did I miss something ? > > > Chuck The Portland calendar runs front August to August and contains 24 pictures of last years show. Of those 24 pictures THREE (3) are of the ATIS SEL area. That tells you something about our group and what the Portland people think of us! Dave From kcrawford at adelphia.net Mon Aug 30 19:11:10 2004 From: kcrawford at adelphia.net (Kevin Crawford) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:11:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Message-ID: <002501c48eff$c889df60$6401a8c0@bp3> Hi We packed up Friday night just before the rain so we could leave Saturday morning and didn't get a chance to say thanks to Dave, LeRoy, Glen and everybody else that helped get my Jeager running. If it weren't for you guys I would still be spinning those flywheels trying to make it run with the wrong trip on the mag. Also wanted to thank those that gave us the ride to and from the dinner on Thursday. We had a great time and look forward to the next time. Thanks again Kevin & Janann From jenkins.frames at juno.com Tue Aug 31 03:33:48 2004 From: jenkins.frames at juno.com (Arthur r Jenkins) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 06:33:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <20040831.064504.-1946387.0.jenkins.frames@juno.com> Tom Thanks for the offer to store the Johnson, you and one other were all the interest there was. The other gentleman must want the Johnson engine. He is willing to purchase it from me. Since my plans were to give it to someone that could use it (hopefuly close) the aggrement we have come to is that I will crate it and he will pay for the shipping. Hope you understand my thinking in that it may have a home where it will get love and care and regular exercise. A loving hope with a proud pappa to take the Johnson out and show it off. I want to thank you for your offer and who knows one day I may have something else. On a lighter note I only go to a few of the local shows. The Powhatan show in April, Sommerset pasture party, Field days, The Amelia show in October. THat is about all I attend. However if you ever see me feel free to introduce yourself. My exhibit as such is a Checker Cab, red with American on the roof light. Thanks for the offer Arthur On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:31:01 EDT Germoamer at aol.com writes: > In a message dated 8/29/2004 8:14:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > jenkins.frames at juno.com writes: > > << I have a Johnson engine, a small engine like a > maytag. Would anyone want it? >> > > Arthur, > > I live on a large farm, not far from you and have plenty of room to > store > junk, but slowly running out of shed space. If your need a home for > the engine, > I can take it. I live west of you near Appomattox. To help with > the roof > storage problem, I just ordered a metal carport and should be here > this week. > Cannot build a roof for the price they sell those metal car sheds > and install > them. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From oldengin at udata.com Tue Aug 31 03:26:56 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 06:26:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 dates? In-Reply-To: <005401c48ef3$67790cc0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <00b501c48e48$03b79950$0300a8c0@paul> <005401c48ef3$67790cc0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <41345270.7030907@udata.com> kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: > > > > > >>According to my new spiffy calendar, Aug 24,25,26,27 of 2005 >> >>Paul Waugh >> >> >> > >darn did I miss something ? > > >Chuck >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > MISS, miss............. yep only the greatest show ever in Portland. Iron was so cheap that some of the vendors where giving it away! and other where sold out before Wed. nite. Still others brought stuff most people would have never got to see if it was not for this show. I seen a baby Geiser with "NEW" gears and a Dave R. finish. I also seen a KC Press engin that ran almost the entire show, I seen an engin that looks to have been buried underground for the last 40 years. Even this year, with the help of some of the SEL tractor guys, I found that Portland does have a display of tractors.. In fact I was made an honorary tractor member, they ask that I walk into their area backwards for some reason. I really do not think it was possible to walk the entire sales area as it ws HUGE!!! and yes it was there and for sale if you looked long enough and hard enough. ps me dawgs are still sore. -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From oldengin at udata.com Tue Aug 31 03:38:38 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 06:38:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves In-Reply-To: <20040830.215946.1208.4.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20040830.215946.1208.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <4134552E.1090605@udata.com> jlb94 at juno.com wrote: >Thanks Leroy >I was able to muscle the valve springs out and -to get them back in - I >squeezed them in a vice and used a light bailin wire to bind them and >insert them. > >Worked okay - You can read in my last message that the Briggs "Y" just >will not run. >I think the magnets might need recharged. > >Joe > Joe, now this might sound funny but.... Take off the flywheel, bolted on, and turn it 180 degrees and try it again. I have had one or two that this was critical and would only run with the flywheel on in the proper location I might be interested in your extra parts if you decide to strip one of them down. -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Aug 31 05:07:03 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 05:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves In-Reply-To: <4134552E.1090605@udata.com> References: <20040830.215946.1208.4.jlb94@juno.com> <4134552E.1090605@udata.com> Message-ID: <1060.165.206.180.118.1093954023.squirrel@antique-engines.com> As I recall from the two Y's I have, the flywheel should only bolt on the correct way - HOWEVER, I can see where the hole wears and the thing would possibly bolt on 180 degrees off. On mine, there was no choice unless I forced the bolt. (one side of the flywheel hole was larger than the other) I'll have to look, seems to me I have 2 or 3 pieces left from a Y parts engine. Bill (Time to rake leaves and turn the furnace on!) > jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > >>Thanks Leroy >>I was able to muscle the valve springs out and -to get them back in - I >>squeezed them in a vice and used a light bailin wire to bind them and >>insert them. >> >>Worked okay - You can read in my last message that the Briggs "Y" just >>will not run. >>I think the magnets might need recharged. >> >>Joe >> > Joe, now this might sound funny but.... Take off the flywheel, bolted > on, and turn it 180 degrees and try it again. I have had one or two that > this was critical and would only run with the flywheel on in the proper > location I might be interested in your extra parts if you decide to > strip one of them down. > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From andyglines at hotmail.com Tue Aug 31 06:10:27 2004 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 09:10:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Briggs Y Message-ID: I'm not familiar with the Briggs Y but I have been monkeying with small engines a bit lately. I went through much of the same trouble with a Briggs A that you are. Help from the SEL palyed a big part in getting it to run properly again. You have already done one of my favorite tricks which is to belt it to an electric motor. With the electric motor you can monkey with the fuel and other settings while it turning. You seem to have dealt with any compression issues already. Your probably right about spark being you problem. When cranking, does the plug get wet with gas? If it doesn't you probably aren't getting enough gas. If the plug does get wet then its flooded and we have to figure out why. Check the plug wire for cuts, breaks, and cracks. If the wire is damaged the spark will jump to ground before it reaches the plug. Also start out with a known good or new plug. It is wise to check the plug on a good running engine. Even new plugs are bad sometimes. Never trust on old plug because it looks good. You can't see the tiny cracks in the porcelin that will make one fail. Have you visually tested the spark? Take the plug out and groud it with the wire connected. You can usually do this by laying it on the cylinder head with the wire attached. Crank the engine and make sure that it is jumping a strong spark between the electrodes. If it does make spark make sure it is a strong blue spark and not weak or erratic. If you have good spark go back to look at the fuel system. If you don't have spark reexamine the plug, wire, points, & condensor/capacitor. I had to repalce two capacitors on the briggs A before I got a good one. I found that when the capacitor went bad it would jump a very small gap .005"-.010" but not the .030"-.035" needed to fire a plug. As others mentioned, it could be weak magnets in the flywheel but I lean toward a bad capacitor. Check these things and write back to us. BTW I'm not sure of how much much experience that you have with engines so I apologize if I overexplained things. > >Hi Guys, >Today - I went into the mag part of the Briggs "Y". >Cleaned & Reset the points - Disconnected the Run / Stop switch - >Installed a new Capacitor - - - Still the same thing. I get spark - but >apparantly not enought to make her fire. > >As a last resort, I belted the FBriggs up to an electric motor and tried >to adjust the carb while it was trying to run - But it seemed hopeless. > >Finally I gave up and feel that I just aint getting enought spark to make >it run. > >I have another Briggs "Y" and I might see if I can make one good one out >of the two. > >Darn !!! > _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Aug 31 07:05:18 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 07:05:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Yet another question In-Reply-To: <41327E1B.000003.03688@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <200408311405.i7VE5Na6026800@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > similar to brake shoes on a car. It appears that at some > point and time these shoes had some type of lining on them to > provide enough friction for it to > actually be able to drive a piece of equipment. Now the > question is, does anyone have an idea or knowledge of a > person or place I could send these shoes to and have them > re-lined so the clutch will actually function as it's > intended to do. Hi Bob, This shouldn't be a difficult job and you can probably complete it yourself with basic hand tools. If you intend to subject the clutch to heavy use or let it run for extraordinarily long periods while disengaged, get some brake lining material from McMaster-Carr. Get the softer, non-metallic material to prevent excessive wear. You can get it in various thicknesses, widths and sheets. If you're just going to use the clutch periodically or for light duty, use leather. Many early clutches were lined with leather and it will work fine. Look for a company that makes leather goods. Different parts of the cow have different thicknesses of hide, and you should be able to find some at least 3/16" to 1/4". If the original linings were riveted to the shoes, you can get new rivets from McMaster-Carr. If the shoes are nicely machined, you can use just about any type of adhesive in addition to the rivets. If the shoes are crudely finished, you might want to use an adhesive that will fill voids, such as JB Weld. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Aug 31 08:13:15 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:13:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves Message-ID: <20040831.115819.1336.6.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Bill, There doesn't seem to be any difference in the flywheel holes - but the keepers for the springs on the kick start housing are different. Maybe that's what you're thinking of. I have tried turning the flywheel 180? and found no difference. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 05:07:03 -0700 (PDT) bill at antique-engines.com writes: > As I recall from the two Y's I have, the flywheel should only bolt on > the > correct way - HOWEVER, I can see where the hole wears and the thing > would > possibly bolt on 180 degrees off. On mine, there was no choice > unless I > forced the bolt. (one side of the flywheel hole was larger than the > other) > > I'll have to look, seems to me I have 2 or 3 pieces left from a Y > parts > engine. > > Bill > (Time to rake leaves and turn the furnace on!) > > > jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > > > >>Thanks Leroy > >>I was able to muscle the valve springs out and -to get them back > in - I > >>squeezed them in a vice and used a light bailin wire to bind them > and > >>insert them. > >> > >>Worked okay - You can read in my last message that the Briggs "Y" > just > >>will not run. > >>I think the magnets might need recharged. > >> > >>Joe > >> > > Joe, now this might sound funny but.... Take off the flywheel, > bolted > > on, and turn it 180 degrees and try it again. I have had one or > two that > > this was critical and would only run with the flywheel on in the > proper > > location I might be interested in your extra parts if you decide > to > > strip one of them down. > > > > -- > > C-ya > > > > Leroy Clark > > > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we > give." > > W.A. NANCE > > > > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Aug 31 08:07:27 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:07:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves Message-ID: <20040831.115819.1336.4.jlb94@juno.com> Take off the flywheel, bolted on, and turn it 180 degrees and try it again. Thanks Leroy - - - I thought that might make a difference also. I've alweays marked the flywheel with chaulk because I felt it was critical to be a certain way. Tried that a couple times - No change. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 06:38:38 -0400 "Leroy C." writes: > jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > > >Thanks Leroy > >I was able to muscle the valve springs out and -to get them back in > - I > >squeezed them in a vice and used a light bailin wire to bind them > and > >insert them. > > > >Worked okay - You can read in my last message that the Briggs "Y" > just > >will not run. > >I think the magnets might need recharged. > > > >Joe > > > Joe, now this might sound funny but.... Take off the flywheel, > bolted > on, and turn it 180 degrees and try it again. I have had one or two > that > this was critical and would only run with the flywheel on in the > proper > location I might be interested in your extra parts if you decide to > > strip one of them down. > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From toadhill at aeroinc.net Tue Aug 31 09:14:23 2004 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:14:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters Message-ID: <003801c48f75$951148a0$27cc940c@mcness.com> Hi Folks, I'm new to the list so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right but here goes. Met a bunch of new SEL friends at Baraboo and Portland. Dave and Arnie, Steve and Mel and Pete to name just a few. Enjoyed the Thursday night banquet and the good company. I think a few of you are a little eccentric but then who isn't? Robert Bransen taught me a very valuable tip about igniters. Carbon builds up on the moveable electrode and causes the shaft to drag. You can trip it by hand or put a meter on it and it will act normal. However, it doesn't take much drag to cause the engine to stop. Try cleaning the shaft with carb cleaner and keep it well oiled. This helps about 80% of igniter troubles when the igniter is in good condition. Regards, Joe Maurer ----- Original Message ----- From: Message-ID: <4134B2C9.3010007@imc-group.com> Welcome to this eccentric list Joe and thanks for the advice on ignitors. I've got a question along the same lines concerning an ignitor on a Stickney. A Stickney ignitor has a sliding electrode instead of a rotating electrode. Every single time I start to run my Stickney I have to remove the ignitor and with great effort remove the stuck moving electrode from the brass body it lives in. It is never rusty, but rather it is carboned up to the point that it sticks tight if left overnight. Removing and cleaning the ignitor is just part of my starting procedure now, but it sure would be nice to eliminate this step! The ignitor is in great shape with nice close tolerances and everything glides nicely when clean. Should I be using a special oil to prevent the carbon build up? I've tried plain motor oil and 10wt. oil. Any suggestions? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote: >Hi Folks, > >I'm new to the list so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right but here goes. >Met a bunch of new SEL friends at Baraboo and Portland. Dave and Arnie, >Steve and Mel and Pete to name just a few. Enjoyed the Thursday night >banquet and the good company. I think a few of you are a little eccentric >but then who isn't? > >Robert Bransen taught me a very valuable tip about igniters. Carbon builds >up on the moveable electrode and causes the shaft to drag. You can trip it >by hand or put a meter on it and it will act normal. However, it doesn't >take much drag to cause the engine to stop. Try cleaning the shaft with >carb cleaner and keep it well oiled. This helps about 80% of igniter >troubles when the igniter is in good condition. > > > From Carrowor at comcast.net Tue Aug 31 11:02:50 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:02:50 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Yet another question References: <200408311405.i7VE5Na6026800@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <4134BD4A.000001.02732@NOTEBOOK> Thanks Rob, The little strips that were left are definately leather albeit extremely worn. LOL I appreciate the info. Bob Hi Bob, This shouldn't be a difficult job and you can probably complete it yourself with basic hand tools. If you intend to subject the clutch to heavy use or let it run for extraordinarily long periods while disengaged, get some brake lining material from McMaster-Carr. Get the softer, non-metallic material to prevent excessive wear. You can get it in various thicknesses, widths and sheets. If you're just going to use the clutch periodically or for light duty, use leather. Many early clutches were lined with leather and it will work fine. Look for a company that makes leather goods. Different parts of the cow have different thicknesses of hide, and you should be able to find some at least 3/16" to 1/4". If the original linings were riveted to the shoes, you can get new rivets from McMaster-Carr. If the shoes are nicely machined, you can use just about any type of adhesive in addition to the rivets. If the shoes are crudely finished, you might want to use an adhesive that will fill voids, such as JB Weld. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 31 11:43:21 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters In-Reply-To: <003801c48f75$951148a0$27cc940c@mcness.com> References: <003801c48f75$951148a0$27cc940c@mcness.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe, WELCOME to the list!!!! Ya know I've just been forced to significanly downgrade my assessment of your intelligence. You spent a week and a half at Baraboo and Portland with a whole bunch of list folks and you STILL signed up. Or maybe you're just a glutton for abuse. 8-))) For those of you who haven't yet had the pleasure of meeting Joe, he's a helluva nice guy with eclectic tastes. In addition to engines he's also into Olde Iron of a different sort; Pennsylvania long rifles. With any luck he'll tell us more about himself and his hobbies. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote: > I'm new to the list so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right but here goes. > Met a bunch of new SEL friends at Baraboo and Portland. Dave and Arnie, > Steve and Mel and Pete to name just a few. Enjoyed the Thursday night > banquet and the good company. I think a few of you are a little eccentric > but then who isn't? From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Aug 31 12:02:18 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:02:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Mason Michigan Steam Show Pictures Message-ID: Hi All, I have finished the site for a show that has lots of steam traction engines and few stationary engines. Thought some of you would like to look at the pics. Something different anyway. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/mason04/mason04.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 31 12:17:10 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:17:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves References: <20040831.115819.1336.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <4134CEB6.8020702@imc-group.com> Joe, On troublesome engines I'll tape or wire the plug wire such that it is about a 1/16" away from the the spark plug connector. Then I have a visual to check spark quality, spark regularity, and timing with the compression stroke. Plus the gap will act as an intensifier for an ill plug. Just a thought..... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC jlb94 at juno.com wrote: >Take off the flywheel, bolted >on, and turn it 180 degrees and try it again. > >Thanks Leroy - - - I thought that might make a difference also. >I've alweays marked the flywheel with chaulk because I felt it was >critical >to be a certain way. >Tried that a couple times - No change. > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 31 12:25:55 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:25:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters References: <003801c48f75$951148a0$27cc940c@mcness.com> <4134B2C9.3010007@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002801c48f90$567fdfa0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Welcome to the Cold World of things that make you Go Ummmm, Curt :) Why do you suppose it is that Stickney ignitors are unique in design. "BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO CLEAN THEM A LOT" Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Friends and Igniters > Welcome to this eccentric list Joe and thanks for the advice on ignitors. > I've got a question along the same lines concerning an ignitor on a > Stickney. > A Stickney ignitor has a sliding electrode instead of a rotating > electrode. Every single time I start to run my Stickney I have to remove > the ignitor and with great effort remove the stuck moving electrode from > the brass body it lives in. It is never rusty, but rather it is carboned > up to the point that it sticks tight if left overnight. > Removing and cleaning the ignitor is just part of my starting procedure > now, but it sure would be nice to eliminate this step! > The ignitor is in great shape with nice close tolerances and everything > glides nicely when clean. > Should I be using a special oil to prevent the carbon build up? I've tried > plain motor oil and 10wt. oil. > Any suggestions? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote: > >>Hi Folks, >> >>I'm new to the list so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right but here goes. >>Met a bunch of new SEL friends at Baraboo and Portland. Dave and Arnie, >>Steve and Mel and Pete to name just a few. Enjoyed the Thursday night >>banquet and the good company. I think a few of you are a little eccentric >>but then who isn't? >> >>Robert Bransen taught me a very valuable tip about igniters. Carbon >>builds >>up on the moveable electrode and causes the shaft to drag. You can trip >>it >>by hand or put a meter on it and it will act normal. However, it doesn't >>take much drag to cause the engine to stop. Try cleaning the shaft with >>carb cleaner and keep it well oiled. This helps about 80% of igniter >>troubles when the igniter is in good condition. >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Aug 31 12:38:31 2004 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:38:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lake Portland& Thanks Message-ID: Hey Friends, I too want to thank everyone involved in making Portland '04 another great event. It was great to see everyone again even if for a short time as always. I also want to thank everyone for making Carroll Ann welcome as it was her first Portland visit. Thankfully It rained just a tiny bit so that she could fully appreciate the Portland Experience. Anyway it worked, She is hooked now and wants to go back( I guess it was the moonlight stroll through OFES-land under the glow of Yellow Dogs that really did it!) I'm sorry my brother wasn't able to make it this year (and help me with the auction) but I'll bet he won't miss it next year! See ya soon, Steve Royster >From: Arnie Fero >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Lake Portland >Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:10:09 -0400 (EDT) > >Hi Luke, > >Man you hit the ol' nail on the head with this post! Portland IS the >people!! Once again I managed to spend a week there and not get to see >much of the ENGINE show. But I had a ball!! And the ones who weren't >there this year were greatly missed. > >One of the highlights for me was watching one of Neville Beaty's engine >mates (Craig Morrison) experience Portland for the first time. Craig is >from Scotland and has a really nice engine collection. I think it's fair >to say he was like the little kid in the candy store. He also got on >really well with the list folk so I'm guessing that we'll see him on-list >soon. > >As to Lake Portland, the SEL mob dealt with it really well. I think >Lincoln, Brooky, and that other big kid Susan had the most fun of all. I >also noticed that the SEL engines were running all through the downpour! > >This year I was on the receiving end of another "Portland SEL tradition", >namely getting a new found engine running. I had gotten a 2 hp Bessemer >from Steve Royster that he delivered to Portland. As with many a new >engine, no one knows how long it had been since it had run last. That >meant a fair amount of work to do. And then comes the point where you try >to get a chuff. And THAT is where the list folks really shine. Loads of >advice, encouragement, friendly abuse, loan of parts, extra hands, etc. >We finally hit the right combination of factors, and CHUFF! Off she >went! Ran the rest of the day and all of the next. Even in the HEAVY >rain. What a GREAT feeling. Thanks to EVERYONE who helped and heckled. >It was great fun!! > >Another highlight for me was meeting Sweet Thang (aka Carol Ann). Damn >what a charming gal!! Steve? She's a KEEPER!! And the best part was >watching her asking folks if they'd seen Steve's brother Mike. She said >she had a present for him. And I never knew that Mike even played >baseball let alone that he needed a new bat. 8-)))) > >> _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Aug 31 12:47:19 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:47:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters In-Reply-To: <4134B2C9.3010007@imc-group.com> References: <003801c48f75$951148a0$27cc940c@mcness.com> <4134B2C9.3010007@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4134D5C7.2040704@scrtc.com> Curt, Many of the old time engine manuals state to use coal oil to lubricate ignitors as motor oil will cause them to have build up and stick. I usually use WD 40 or something similar. It being a thin oil helps keep it from being so "gummy". Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Curt Holland wrote: > Welcome to this eccentric list Joe and thanks for the advice on ignitors. > I've got a question along the same lines concerning an ignitor on a > Stickney. > A Stickney ignitor has a sliding electrode instead of a rotating > electrode. Every single time I start to run my Stickney I have to > remove the ignitor and with great effort remove the stuck moving > electrode from the brass body it lives in. It is never rusty, but > rather it is carboned up to the point that it sticks tight if left > overnight. > Removing and cleaning the ignitor is just part of my starting > procedure now, but it sure would be nice to eliminate this step! > The ignitor is in great shape with nice close tolerances and > everything glides nicely when clean. > Should I be using a special oil to prevent the carbon build up? I've > tried plain motor oil and 10wt. oil. > Any suggestions? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> >> I'm new to the list so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right but here >> goes. >> Met a bunch of new SEL friends at Baraboo and Portland. Dave and Arnie, >> Steve and Mel and Pete to name just a few. Enjoyed the Thursday night >> banquet and the good company. I think a few of you are a little >> eccentric >> but then who isn't? >> >> Robert Bransen taught me a very valuable tip about igniters. Carbon >> builds >> up on the moveable electrode and causes the shaft to drag. You can >> trip it >> by hand or put a meter on it and it will act normal. However, it >> doesn't >> take much drag to cause the engine to stop. Try cleaning the shaft with >> carb cleaner and keep it well oiled. This helps about 80% of igniter >> troubles when the igniter is in good condition. >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Aug 31 12:57:30 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:57:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland hotels In-Reply-To: <007201c48e48$36600b30$0400a8c0@Dave> References: <4132A7D6.5080800@scrtc.com> <007201c48e48$36600b30$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <4134D82A.4040902@scrtc.com> Dave, If I'm not mistaken that's the "Who's Her" Inn. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hello Judge, > I don't expect you to know but someone on the List must. What is the > name of that girly man's motel that rents it's rooms by the hour? > Dave > > >>Glenn, >> >> Super 8 and Hoosier Inn are the 2 near the entrance. However, both >>have long standing reservations for the show and swap dates. I >>understand they will put your name on a list in January if an opening >>comes up but I would say it would be highly unlikely that one would as >>the list probably has 20 plus names on it already. If you are lucky >>enough to land one, get ready to pay. The Super 8 rooms will cost you >>about $125/night, Hoosier about $100. >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> >>Glenn Wilson wrote: >> >> >>>Sould someone please tell me AGAIN :( what the two hotels are that are >>>really close to >>>the engine show? I think one is a Super 8? I donno what the other one > > is - > >>>not the >>>dive.. >>>I'd like to come next year and bring with me my best lady friend yet :) >>>and of course Skip's 18HP Christensen too :) >>> >>>Thanks, Glenn >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Tue Aug 31 12:57:21 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:57:21 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters In-Reply-To: <4134D5C7.2040704@scrtc.com> References: <003801c48f75$951148a0$27cc940c@mcness.com> <4134B2C9.3010007@imc-group.com> <4134D5C7.2040704@scrtc.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:47:19 -0400, you wrote: >Curt, > > Many of the old time engine manuals state to use coal oil to >lubricate ignitors as motor oil will cause them to have build up and >stick. I usually use WD 40 or something similar. It being a thin oil >helps keep it from being so "gummy". > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY Just a thought, has anyone tried a drop of diesel detergent oil on the igniter ? It holds dirt in suspension and may well work better than regular oil in this application, and Fully Synthetic comes in 15W-40 grade so quite thin. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Aug 31 12:55:49 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:55:49 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters Message-ID: <083120041955.9801.449c@mchsi.com> Welcome onboard "Unca Joe"...finally decided to come out of your hiding place and say a few good words. For those of you that don't know Joe he comes from a long line of not only Gas engines, but Steam Tractors, not too mention being past president for one of the largest clubs in Illinois (Stephenson Cty Antique Engine Club, Freeport, Ill.), retired design control engineer for Honeywell Corp, Antique Car collector, Longrifle collector and all around good friend. Curt Andree > Hi Folks, > > I'm new to the list so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right but here goes. > Met a bunch of new SEL friends at Baraboo and Portland. Dave and Arnie, > Steve and Mel and Pete to name just a few. Enjoyed the Thursday night > banquet and the good company. I think a few of you are a little eccentric > but then who isn't? > > Robert Bransen taught me a very valuable tip about igniters. Carbon builds > up on the moveable electrode and causes the shaft to drag. You can trip it > by hand or put a meter on it and it will act normal. However, it doesn't > take much drag to cause the engine to stop. Try cleaning the shaft with > carb cleaner and keep it well oiled. This helps about 80% of igniter > troubles when the igniter is in good condition. > > Regards, > Joe Maurer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 31 13:08:13 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves In-Reply-To: <4134CEB6.8020702@imc-group.com> References: <20040831.115819.1336.4.jlb94@juno.com> <4134CEB6.8020702@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, Tape??? I thought we used kids like Devin to test the spark. 8-))) They provide audible indications of spark quality as well as visual. Dunno how well they work as intensifiers though.... See ya, Arnie On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Curt Holland wrote: > On troublesome engines I'll tape or wire the plug wire such that it is > about a 1/16" away from the the spark plug connector. Then I have a > visual to check spark quality, spark regularity, and timing with the > compression stroke. Plus the gap will act as an intensifier for an ill > plug. From Carrowor at comcast.net Tue Aug 31 13:44:26 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:44:26 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Mason Michigan Steam Show Pictures References: Message-ID: <4134E32A.000001.03380@NOTEBOOK> Hey Luke, I live just down the road from you in Holland. If you're feeling ambitious one of these days give me a yell. I'm trying to get an Economy 5hp running (well it runs but not right) and am always looking for advice (read that as HELP) email me direct if you like carrowor at comcast.net Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/31/04 15:04:15 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Mason Michigan Steam Show Pictures Hi All, I have finished the site for a show that has lots of steam traction engines and few stationary engines. Thought some of you would like to look at the pics. Something different anyway. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/mason04/mason04.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Tue Aug 31 13:58:17 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:58:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Small WWII engine ID ? Message-ID: While at Dayton we saw this little air-cooled engine but couldn't find any ID for it. It powered an aircraft heating system for outside parked aircraft. It is WWII vintage, and the white stuff in the picture is simulated snow. http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/Portland4061.jpg Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From solarrog at pacbell.net Tue Aug 31 14:03:34 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:03:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Small WWII engine ID ? References: Message-ID: <007e01c48f9d$fb3c7fa0$4af5c13f@pacbell.net> Peter its a Briggs and Stratton Most likely from the N series. It has the mechanical gov and the ball bearing pto side. Roger DiRuscio, The Realty Experts. Sales since 1977 contact 510-226-9785 Fremont,Ca 94539 Collector restorer of antique marine engines, Motorscooters, Micro cars private pilot 1981, Ham radio KG6QKZ Volunteer Cert-Comm member, Fremont Fire department. web site--- scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:58 PM Subject: [SEL] Small WWII engine ID ? > While at Dayton we saw this little air-cooled engine but couldn't find any ID > for it. It powered an aircraft heating system for outside parked aircraft. > > It is WWII vintage, and the white stuff in the picture is simulated snow. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/Portland4061.jpg > > Peter > > -- > Peter & Rita Forbes > diesel at easynet.co.uk > Engine pages for preservation info: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Aug 31 14:21:39 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:21:39 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters References: <003801c48f75$951148a0$27cc940c@mcness.com> Message-ID: <4134EBE3.FDD8B386@insulate.co.uk> Hi Joe Welcome to the List! I'm a bit concerned that you think some of us are "a little eccentric" though. Arnie, Dave, Joe P, etc - what was the matter with you all? Were you taming things down to try to look better? Dolly Official SEL Flame Mistress Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I'm new to the list so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right but here goes. > Met a bunch of new SEL friends at Baraboo and Portland. Dave and Arnie, > Steve and Mel and Pete to name just a few. Enjoyed the Thursday night > banquet and the good company. I think a few of you are a little eccentric > but then who isn't? > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From Carrowor at comcast.net Tue Aug 31 15:32:04 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:32:04 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] YES YES YES Message-ID: <4134FC64.000003.03128@NOTEBOOK> I'd like to take a minute and thank you one and all for your help and suggestions!!! The ole' 5hp Economy actually cranked up and ran for a straight hour for me this afternoon!!! sounded good and to know the last time she ran was 1977 and then she only fired a few times before the mag died. Now one more question, it's very apparent that I need to install a check valve in the fuel line but haven't been able to locate one locally, any suggestions??? Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From alanb2 at webtv.net Tue Aug 31 17:10:32 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:10:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] YES YES YES In-Reply-To: "Bob Jacobs" 's message of Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:32:04 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <6576-41351378-2643@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net> Hi Bob, Great feeling when the fire up ain't it???? Now,,, The easiest way to aquire a check valve is to make one. Basically a check valve is just a brass fitting or adapter with a metal ball inside it. Most of them I have made started with a brass fitting that adapts 1/8" pipe to 1/4" compression. Read it all before starting. 8>)) To make it a check valve remove the compression nut and toss away the compression sleeve. Now drop in a brass, steel or stainless steel ball. It don't fit???? I forgot to tell you that I drill out the opening to 1/32" over the dia. of the ball. I use a 5/16" ball. I clamp the fitting in my drill press vise. I also have had better luck drilling right through the compression nut too. That means I picked up an extra nut at the hardware store. In my kit that is hiding around here somewhere I keep that drilled nut and have used it lots of times. Anyway,,,, After it is drilled larger drop the 5/16" ball in and put on an undrilled compression nut. Hold the fitting with the nut down. The ball will seal against the nut. The problem here is when the engine sucks the ball will seal in the top too,,,,,, So,,, Open it back up and use a small triangle shaped file to cut some grooves in the fitting so the gas can get around the top of the ball. Now you have a usable check valve. I think the one I just reworked for my new engine was a fitting to go from 1/8" pipe to 1/8" compression. I don't like the design as well, but since I made some changes it works O.K. I hope this helps, Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan ~~~~Bob?Jacobs wrote~~~~~ I'd like to take a minute and thank you one and all for your help and suggestions!!! The ole' 5hp Economy actually cranked up and ran for a straight hour for me this afternoon!!! sounded good and to know the last time she ran was 1977 and then she only fired a few times before the mag died. Now one more question, it's very apparent that I need to install a check valve in the fuel line but haven't been able to locate one locally, any suggestions??? Bob From oldengin at udata.com Tue Aug 31 17:14:21 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:14:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT keyless remote program In-Reply-To: <391to2$7ie07u@mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <391to2$7ie07u@mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <4135145D.3000904@udata.com> jbcast at charter.net wrote: >Leroy, let me know the year and model, I'll let you know the procedure. >J.B. Castagnos >Belle Rose, LA > > > JB, I tried this off list and you must not have gotten it. 1998 Ford Expedition does this help? -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From oldengin at udata.com Tue Aug 31 17:17:44 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:17:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters In-Reply-To: <4134EBE3.FDD8B386@insulate.co.uk> References: <003801c48f75$951148a0$27cc940c@mcness.com> <4134EBE3.FDD8B386@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <41351528.5010006@udata.com> Jim French wrote: >Hi Joe > >Welcome to the List! > >I'm a bit concerned that you think some of us are "a little eccentric" though. >Arnie, Dave, Joe P, etc - what was the matter with you all? Were you taming >things down to try to look better? > >Dolly >Official SEL Flame Mistress > >Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote: > > > >>Hi Folks, >> >>I'm new to the list so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right but here goes. >>Met a bunch of new SEL friends at Baraboo and Portland. Dave and Arnie, >>Steve and Mel and Pete to name just a few. Enjoyed the Thursday night >>banquet and the good company. I think a few of you are a little eccentric >>but then who isn't? >> >> >> > >-- >Jim French >fbi at insulate.co.uk >http://www.insulate.co.uk > > > > Welcome and good luck!!!!! but is this a complement ? cause I ain't never been charged with electric fore -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From Carrowor at comcast.net Tue Aug 31 17:25:30 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:25:30 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] YES YES YES References: <6576-41351378-2643@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <413516FA.000003.02244@NOTEBOOK> Hello and thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This fuel line is 5/16 but I understand the principals you've stated. Off to the hardware then workshop I go (first thing in the morning) Yes, marvelous feeling, but when you live just 4 blocks from the downtown shopping area, and you fire up something of this size (with bad timing) every cop in town feels it's his duty to see what all the noise is. LOL I had the entire town's police force in the back yard scratching their heads and other parts in amazement. LOL Let's just say they "requested" I not run it after 9 PM. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From avanti_64 at juno.com Tue Aug 31 17:38:49 2004 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (Joe Kelley) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:38:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Weather at shows this year Message-ID: <20040831.203850.-460045.0.avanti_64@juno.com> Those attending Canandaigua,NY thought we had crummy weather while at the show, but I don't think that show can hold a candle to Portland, Indiana... In spite of the weather, it sure sounds like everyone had a good time. We will make it out there some year. Joe Kelley PS: We will be attending the show in Clio, Michigan in 3 weeks, any list members planning on going? ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From alanb2 at webtv.net Tue Aug 31 17:52:46 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:52:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] YES YES YES In-Reply-To: "Bob Jacobs" 's message of Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:25:30 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <6578-41351D5E-1081@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net> Cool story, Bob. Sounds like you need a better muffler for home use. 8>)) Yup, I figured your fuel line would be bigger. That just means bigger parts. Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From Carrowor at comcast.net Tue Aug 31 17:53:50 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:53:50 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Weather at shows this year References: <20040831.203850.-460045.0.avanti_64@juno.com> Message-ID: <41351D9E.000005.02244@NOTEBOOK> Clio used to be a really nice though small show. I haven't been there in many years but may just have to make a sincere effort this year. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/31/04 20:44:24 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Weather at shows this year Those attending Canandaigua,NY thought we had crummy weather while at the show, but I don't think that show can hold a candle to Portland, Indiana... In spite of the weather, it sure sounds like everyone had a good time. We will make it out there some year. Joe Kelley PS: We will be attending the show in Clio, Michigan in 3 weeks, any list members planning on going? ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 31 18:19:55 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:19:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pictures of Portland Coming Soon Message-ID: <015201c48fc1$cd3291c0$230110ac@VAIO> Hey Gang this year I spent a lot of time taking pictures of all of the show at Portland, I took over 200 and I am working on processing them now so I can get them on a Webpage for everyone to see. I will be posting then in the following categories: Picture Album of the SEL Dinner and Auction at the Back 40 Restaurant at Decatur Picture Album of the SEL Area - People and Displays Picture Album of the Main Display Area including the Big Oil Field Engines Picture Album of The Tractors - Steam Engines - Sawmill - Thresher - Etc. Picture Album of the Vendors and Swap Area. I hope to have covered all of the show with my pictures with the exception of the Crafts and Antique Vendors which I did not do. I am doing this since there are so many pictures and a lot of folks may only be interested in seeing certain things, this way they can pick and choose the albums they want to see. I hope to have all of the albums done in the next couple of days so be looking for them. Paul From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Aug 31 18:09:37 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:09:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves Message-ID: <20040831.213041.472.6.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Curt, I'm now convinced I'm doing something totally stupid. I just haven't figured out what it is. Tomorrow - I'm going to take the mess apart again. I think I might have shorted the capacitor when installing the electrics from Briggs #1 - to Briggs #2. The fine wire that went from the coil to the points via the capacitor broke and I had to do some soldering to the capacitor. I think I might have screwed up there. Tomorrow is another day. (This is rediculous !) I should be wasting my time on a REAL engine !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Aug 31 18:25:08 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:25:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Mason Michigan Steam Show Pictures Message-ID: <20040831.213041.472.9.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Luke - Thanks for the pics of the Mason Steam Show. I don't care much for tractors (yet) but sure like the steam pics. Thanks. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Aug 31 18:19:16 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:19:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] YES YES YES Message-ID: <20040831.213041.472.8.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Bob, Congrats on getting the Economy running. As for the check valve - Make it. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:32:04 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Bob Jacobs" writes: > I'd like to take a minute and thank you one and all for your help > and > suggestions!!! > > The ole' 5hp Economy actually cranked up and ran for a straight hour > for me > this > afternoon!!! sounded good and to know the last time she ran was > 1977 and > then > she only fired a few times before the mag died. > > Now one more question, it's very apparent that I need to install a > check > valve in > the fuel line but haven't been able to locate one locally, any > suggestions??? > > Bob > Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, > others just use the initials! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Aug 31 17:59:49 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:59:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs "Y" Message-ID: <20040831.213041.472.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, Sorry if anyone expected a responce from me on the Briggs "Y" and didn't get it. The list monitor said my last post was too big and that I should keep it below 10 KB. I can't imagine what happened. Anyway, I haven't given up.. I took Briggs "Y" #2 and had it running this morning. Then I decided to replace ALL the electrics on Briggs #1 with the electrics from Briggs #2. After I got all done - I have even LESS SPARK than I had on the Briggs #1 in the first place. I'm leaning toward the Capicator - Where can I get a good capacitor? Shouldn't one from anything else work ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Aug 31 18:15:33 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:15:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves Message-ID: <20040831.213041.472.7.jlb94@juno.com> Hey Arnie - I thought we used kids like Devin to test the spark. Since my kid got wise to "hold this" - I have to hold it myself. Now - Not only can I tell if there's spark - I can also time an engine by the fluttering of my eyelids. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From Carrowor at comcast.net Tue Aug 31 18:43:48 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:43:48 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves References: <20040831.213041.472.7.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <41352954.000001.01492@NOTEBOOK> Ah Ha, Come on over and fine-time my Economy for me Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/31/04 21:40:11 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Briggs Valves Hey Arnie - I thought we used kids like Devin to test the spark. Since my kid got wise to "hold this" - I have to hold it myself. Now - Not only can I tell if there's spark - I can also time an engine by the fluttering of my eyelids. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From billalan at busynet.net Tue Aug 31 19:49:06 2004 From: billalan at busynet.net (Bill Herreid) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:49:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lake Portland In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <413538A2.9090402@busynet.net> I have to say for this being my first visit to Portland, it won't be my last if I have anything to say about it. I had a great time meeting all of the list members and seeing the overwhelming number of engines and vendors (never did make it through all of them, but did find the parts I knew I needed). Even without the rain it would have been a memorable experience, but with the addition of the rain, I am sure never to forget it. While I am not a person who posts regularly, I do follow the list closely, and have even learned a thing or two from it, and contribute when I can. I am fairly new to the hobby, and only have one flywheel engine of my own, a 1929 Economy XK, on which the piston still does not move. But I have been helping my dad with his engines for a couple of years, and going to some local shows to learn more about the engines. In fact, this weekend we will be taking a trip to the Rock River show in Edgerton. Looking forward to next year at Lake Portland (hopefully the tides will be down). From the Cheddar Curtain - Bill Herreid From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Aug 31 15:37:26 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:37:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters References: <003801c48f75$951148a0$27cc940c@mcness.com><4134B2C9.3010007@imc-group.com> <4134D5C7.2040704@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <00ba01c49002$64068620$190d1bd3@athlon> Ever thought of trying a teflon type dry lube or similar? Might work. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Friends and Igniters > Curt, > > Many of the old time engine manuals state to use coal oil to > lubricate ignitors as motor oil will cause them to have build up and > stick. I usually use WD 40 or something similar. It being a thin oil > helps keep it from being so "gummy". > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Aug 31 15:40:54 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:40:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters References: <003801c48f75$951148a0$27cc940c@mcness.com> <4134EBE3.FDD8B386@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <00bb01c49002$65131420$190d1bd3@athlon> Hi Joe. You aint met the Ozzie mob yet either!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Friends and Igniters > Hi Joe > > Welcome to the List! > > I'm a bit concerned that you think some of us are "a little eccentric" though. > Arnie, Dave, Joe P, etc - what was the matter with you all? Were you taming > things down to try to look better? > > Dolly > Official SEL Flame Mistress From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Aug 31 18:32:21 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:32:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters Message-ID: <20040901.101915.796.0.jlb94@juno.com> >Hi Joe > >Welcome to the List! > >I'm a bit concerned that you think some of us are "a little eccentric" though. = = = = = What's is eccentric ??? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 31 13:00:36 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:00:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 dates? References: <00b501c48e48$03b79950$0300a8c0@paul><005401c48ef3$67790cc0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <41345270.7030907@udata.com> Message-ID: <000101c4904d$9c9af8e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> In fact I was made an honorary > tractor member, they ask that I walk into their area backwards for some > reason. Sounds like they made you a prospect Leroy . Do you have to fetch them cold beers and polish their motorcyc - I mean , tractors during this probationary period ? Chuck From johnwyant at revealed.net Sun Aug 1 05:23:02 2004 From: johnwyant at revealed.net (johnwyant) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 07:23:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine Clipart Message-ID: <200408011223.i71CNFst036364@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi List, I've been trying to find asome good engine clipart and not having much luck. I suppose I could make some up but I was hoping to save time and find some quality clipart already made. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks John Wyant 13719 81st St. Coal Valley, IL. 61240 Email johnwyant at revealed.net Website http://www.transplus.biz Photo's http://community.webshots.com/user/johnwyant1 From adamcottrill at telstra.com Sun Aug 1 05:36:05 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 22:36:05 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Message-ID: <495db4497dce.497dce495db4@email.bigpond.com> Hi Leroy, Mate thanks for your spirited response, I thought id break your email down to answer it easier I hope you dont mind. how many of your top brass accept pay for their positions? To my knowledge none, however I do believe costs associated with posting and copying are drawn from Assoc funds however there is no salary for the any of the positions. When communicating with over 7000 members Nationally I do think it is resonable to recoup some costs of printing dont you? and also see Patricks response how many of them rally ever exhibit?? The previous president I know exhibited all the time and always attended our rally every year over the past 10 years which was a 15 hour drive across two states.The newly appointed president I havent meet yet so I honestly have no idea. This press release, is it written by a lawyer, or who gets paid for the writing of it? Is being writting by a local young female journalist for no charge in effort for her to gain some event experience she has become the markerting co-ordinator of the rally. The reason such a media release is being written is because the rally is National and in effort to get the CORRECT information to everybody the organisers felt this the way to go. I should also add here the body is National the rally isnt acutally being run by the Assoc as such is its being hosted by a machinery club every two years it is up for offer to any club in the Assoc who would like to host it and that club sends in a nomination then a vote one from each club is done and the host club with the highest number of votes gets the rally. I do join all the shows with which I exhibit, the cost runs me around 5.00-10.00 dollars each, again this is all directly going to the CLUB.... now if you tell me that my membership to your national is good at each and every show you do then this will be a wash The option is here to join as many clubs as you like however you only pay the insurance fee ($12) once per year at a club you may for a lack of a better term call your home club the remainder of those membership fees Id assume would be spent by each club you might like to join as they seen fit. Oh I also think that each club should have the chance to have a member on the national staff too? Each club has in effect one vote and it is at the clubs discression should they wish to vote or not should an occasion rise to do so. And as far a camping I pay for this privilege also. again 5.00- 15-00 per event. If I can hand ball this one over to the soon to be out press release this will be addressed. after all in today's world even the most out dated events have semis with showers in them for a small fee.. And the cost of electric is near nothing once it is installed..... Andfood!!!!!!!!!!! Since the event is not held at the same place every time, resources to cater for an event of this size need to be bought in and unfortunately it costs. Remembering this is not a Portland in regards to being held the same place each year things like perminant facilities arent realistic to build. again see the forth comming press release. Adam, one last question, do you, personal or your national, have signs for your engins that say "PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH" ? ohhh I almost forgot about the fencey thing! As sarcastic as you may have been sadly it is true the insurance company requires signs to be placed on fences "no public admittance" And in a case recently when a child got knocked down by a tractor when she and her brother climbed over the fence and started playing on the tractor which rolled back on her this was the one thing that saved the club whos name will not be mentioned for being successfully sued for negligence. If the fence and insurance thing is right or wrong, Not American or what ever you wish to call it, there is no choice to rally organisers to have fences and signs etc. Id rather not bring up the fence thing again but its the reality we face here in Australia I hope this answers your questions Leroy let me know if ive missed anything. Cheers, Adam From bolhuis at amtelecom.net Sun Aug 1 06:40:57 2004 From: bolhuis at amtelecom.net (Bob & Sheila Bolhuis) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 09:40:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Clipart References: <200408011223.i71CNFst036364@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <000401c477cd$2c98d0f0$6700a8c0@EMACHINE> Here are a few animated ones. http://www.keveney.com/Engines.html http://www3.sympatico.ca/watership_down/Animations.htm http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Mesa/7163/gif.html Bob & Sheila Bolhuis RR#4 Aylmer , Ont, Can N5H-2R3 519-765-3337 From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sun Aug 1 07:51:02 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:51:02 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Air-cooled vertical; IHC Famous References: <200408011223.i71CNFst036364@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <000401c477cd$2c98d0f0$6700a8c0@EMACHINE> Message-ID: <001d01c477d6$f99d0360$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Hi gang, Is there anyone on the SEL that has, or has pictures of an air-cooled International Famous? I'm in the progress in restoring mine. I've got a complete engine from a friend that I can use to make copy's of the parts I need, but his has quite some "homemade" parts as well. Thanks, Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sun Aug 1 11:59:39 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 20:59:39 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Air-cooled vertical; IHC Famous References: <200408011223.i71CNFst036364@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org><000401c477cd$2c98d0f0$6700a8c0@EMACHINE> <001d01c477d6$f99d0360$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: <001101c477f9$b2e09040$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Harry, I have a few pics of air-cooled vert. engines, maybe it's of any help. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Aircooled.htm C-ya, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Hi gang, > Is there anyone on the SEL that has, or has pictures of an air-cooled > International Famous? > I'm in the progress in restoring mine. I've got a complete engine from a > friend that I can use to make copy's of the parts I need, but his has quite > some "homemade" parts as well. > Thanks, > > Harry Terpstra From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sun Aug 1 13:22:49 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 22:22:49 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Air-cooled vertical; IHC Famous References: <200408011223.i71CNFst036364@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <000401c477cd$2c98d0f0$6700a8c0@EMACHINE> <001d01c477d6$f99d0360$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> <001101c477f9$b2e09040$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <002f01c47805$534ab0f0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Hi John, Yeh they sure are of help!! I can use as many pictures I can find;-) I started to rebuilt mine today, and all the moving parts (cylinder, and all bearings are in top condition. However much of the external parts need to be made. I heard that the HSCS was running top on it's mag again this last week? TTYL, Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Air-cooled vertical; IHC Famous > Hi Harry, > > I have a few pics of air-cooled vert. engines, maybe > it's of any help. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Aircooled.htm > > C-ya, > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sun Aug 1 15:02:08 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 23:02:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] good day !! Message-ID: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> Hi All Well this morning bright and early me and Dolly drove over to the internal fire museum run by Paul and Hazel Evans about a 200 mile run each way but what a day!! The drive through the Welsh country side and down the coastline to the museum in full sun and blue sky was truly beautiful Only about two weeks ago me and Arnie spent the day with Paul and I was looking forward to see the engines (Hazel and Paul also) On arrival we met Hazel, and see Paul in front of the museum unloading two road rollers off a truck. With this done, Dolly and Hazel went off to work on an embroidery project and Paul began to run engines . The amount of work that has been completed in just 18 months is trully mind boggling,when you start looking around at the concrete engine plinths the pipework for compressed air, fuel and cooling in TWO display buildings and all the safety rails all done with the help of just a couple of helpers who are very committed. To watch Paul go through the different procedures for each engine, about ten ranging from starting handles to baring big flywheels over into starting position for air starts and man handling a 6'6'' flywheel up to speed and dropping the decompression for an impressive start of the "baby" Ruston. As the day flew past and people arrived we got to see Paul re start engines for various parties Once when talking to Hazel I could hear the Bellis and Morcambe running and thought it had been shut down I went into the engine area and see Paul at the "run wheel " nursing the engine at an incredibly slow speed showing some people the control of it!! If anyone is lucky enough to get to the UK (Wales) or is reading this here in the UK I would strongly recommend a visit to the museum. I can't wait to get back there and take Andy, my brother, to see it all (good an excuse as any!). I'd like to get involved on a practical side too, but for the moment all I've been able to do is loan a speed indicator which Paul thought would go better with one of the engines on display than be an extra dust collecter here at home!! Great day. Jim -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From falcon at telenet.net Sun Aug 1 15:24:06 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 18:24:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Harbor Freight store opening SOON Message-ID: <007001c47816$42d9cc40$461117d1@net.telenet.net> Utica NY. I also heard they are planning to put one in Albany by next year.... http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/retail_stores.taf?f=detail&Retail_Store_ID=173 Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY From asouth at strato.net Sun Aug 1 16:11:17 2004 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 19:11:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Is Larry Billbee (spelling of last name may be incorrect) on SEL or Tractor List? Message-ID: <013701c4781c$da145700$d500a8c0@ARTHUR> Anyone know Larry Billbee from around Clermont (Indy) IN ? Suppose to be an Iron & Tractor collector. Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Aug 1 17:44:53 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 20:44:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] good day !! In-Reply-To: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> That's great, Jim! Wish I could see it in person! John On Aug 1, 2004, at 6:02 PM, Jim French wrote: > Hi All > Well this morning bright and early me and Dolly drove over to the > internal fire museum run by Paul and Hazel Evans about a 200 mile run > each way but what a day!! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Sun Aug 1 17:47:37 2004 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 20:47:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Is Larry Billbee (spelling of last name may be incorrect)on SEL or Tractor List? References: <013701c4781c$da145700$d500a8c0@ARTHUR> Message-ID: <002f01c4782a$75be93c0$87e0a841@ibm22761389857> I see him at Portland every year - just about 4 weeks away! Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Southwell" To: "Antique Tractor List" ; "ATIS-SEL" Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 19:11 Subject: [SEL] OT Is Larry Billbee (spelling of last name may be incorrect)on SEL or Tractor List? Anyone know Larry Billbee from around Clermont (Indy) IN ? Suppose to be an Iron & Tractor collector. Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Aug 1 18:03:43 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:03:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally References: <488fe748b808.48b808488fe7@email.bigpond.com> <410BC11F.5090808@udata.com> Message-ID: <004101c4782c$8eb817a0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Leroy I note that both Patrick and Adam have offered comprehensive answers to your questions. However there are a couple of other points that need to be made. I was Secretary of the Association for two years and committee member for a further two years. I was nominated by my local club and elected by the other clubs that were in attendance at the National Rally in Busselton, WA. The term of office is only two years and thereafter onl;y elected if yuo are nominated and elected for a further term. It is voluntary - there is no remuneration and you have to meet your own costs to attend the annual meeting, which could be anywhere in Oz depending on which club offers the Committee space for its conduct. I attended meetings in Ballarat, Vic, Henty, NSW, and near Launceston, Tas all at my own expense. The Committee of the Association does not run the National Rally, clubs "bid" for the "honour" and are selected by the members clubsat the previous National Rally. When I was Secretary I was reimbursed out of pocket expenses on the production of receipts forwarded to the Treasurer. I managed to do my printing at work - I was a Public Servant - so this saved costs for the Association. I believe the Secretary after me ( a farmer) had to go to a larger country town for their printing to be done professionally - a larger cost. The Association is some 8000 members strong in something like 110 clubs and if members disagree with the direction of the Committee (12 people) they can seek election to it and bring their own ideas to fruition if approved by the members. As I said you are only elected for two years. I must say it is a thankless task - your damned if you do and your damned if you don't. However, I found it good experience and learnt a lot particularly regarding insuance matters, local and State government requirements and met a lot of nice people. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy C." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 1:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally > Adam Cottrill wrote: > > >However I will ask the question and see (if it isnt included in the press release) if the organisers will disclose more actuals or at least give me access and permission of them so I can ask them on here for you guys to view. > > > >I hope Arnie you believe this is pushing the ball enough to get the response you suggested, if not please suggest another angle you feel is required which I can take. > > > >Kind regards, > > Adam > > > > > > > > Adam, not being a mud slinger here, BUT her is your next > angle...... how many of your top brass accept pay for their positions? > How many of them also pad themselves with the printing costs, own the > printers, or how many of them really ever exhibit?? Ohhh now maybe I > see some light here, these fine national folks would rather govern the > masses and not worry about the rules them selves? See "IF" the national > is as big as you are stating then it looks like they could control the > rules (hmmmm I have read this already) and if the fence issue was to be > challenged by them it might go away, again who owns the rental fences > and also sells fences????????? This press release, is it written by a > lawyer, or who gets paid for the writing of it? Also is it true a new > one is needed each time you hold a nat. rally ( hmmm every two years > different clubs). And how many of these directors, sounding like > dictators...., decide the gates and just where the fund go from them? > See here in Ahio you have to join to be a member to exhibit, not my > rule! but I do join all the shows with which I exhibit, the cost runs me > around 5.00-10.00 dollars each, again this is all directly going to the > CLUB.... now if you tell me that my membership to your national is good > at each and every show you do then this will be a wash. Oh I also think > that each club should have the chance to have a member on the national > staff too? And as far a camping I pay for this privilege also. again > 5.00- 15-00 per event. Did I mention that this includes electric hook-up > and a dump station for my ole camper and lest me to forget a hot shower > any time of day or night, I missed it, your national has these same > advantages? CORRECT???????? after all in today's world even the most > out dated events have semis with showers in them for a small fee.. And > the cost of electric is near nothing once it is installed..... And > food!!!!!!!!!!! At 4 feet 10 inches wide you could say I LOVE TO EAT! > see it has become part of my daily habit, but when I do attend shows it > is my choosing where and what to eat. After all some shows will feed me > "FREE" fresh roasting corn and also fresh melon, again free... And other > shows will allow only civic organizations to sell food on there grounds, > yeas they purchase the rights to be on the grounds but what a way to > build your organizations funds. still others will offer you everything > you can imagine to eat again at very little cost.. I even know of one > show that has in the past held beer tasting events with the only cost > being beers of your liking. Yes your plaques are very very nice and > something to admire. ours are plate brass with stencil on them... But > let me see,,,,,, if I had to purchase them then it would be a no > brainer to pass them up. After all this is still a > HOBBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Have you and the other members of your national > forgot this? Seems to me that it might be time for you, the national, to > do some gut checking. See I can still run my engins at home and enjoy > them, I can invite select friends over and also enjoy them, I can > probably even talk my friends into allowing me to start there engins and > enjoy the sounds of them also. The reason to go to the shows are for > John Q. Public... Yes I enjoy the shows and yes I enjoy the fellowship > which occurs at these events also... BUT trust me when I tell you I CAN > DO THIS AT HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hmmmmmmmmmm now if it is the idea of > this national to help cripple the hobby and make lots of money for there > own use then maybe, yes MAYBE, you are heading in the right > direction... Here in the states, many of the old car collectors started > some of the same things I see you doing and now "they" are a select > group with their noses in the air, ask them a question and see if you > get an honest answer, again many of the recent reading on this list have > this taste to them, All posts not one person. > Adam, one last question, do you, personal or your national, have > signs for your engins that say "PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH" ? ohhh I almost > forgot about the fencey thing! > PS I have some 6 feet privacy for sale cheap and will it will allow you > bathroom use for your next camp outing. Have a nice day > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnwyant at revealed.net Sun Aug 1 20:16:18 2004 From: johnwyant at revealed.net (johnwyant) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 22:16:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine Clipart In-Reply-To: <000401c477cd$2c98d0f0$6700a8c0@EMACHINE> Message-ID: <200408020316.i723GPst091786@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Thanks for the reply . some really neat stuff there. John -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bob & Sheila Bolhuis Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 8:41 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Clipart Here are a few animated ones. http://www.keveney.com/Engines.html http://www3.sympatico.ca/watership_down/Animations.htm http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Mesa/7163/gif.html Bob & Sheila Bolhuis RR#4 Aylmer , Ont, Can N5H-2R3 519-765-3337 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Aug 1 09:50:47 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:50:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Test, Please ignore Message-ID: <001601c477e7$b1d5dc30$06856ad5@one> Just checking if I am getting any posts from list. Dave Croft Warrington England From driggars at earthlink.net Sun Aug 1 23:04:51 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 01:04:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test, Please ignore References: <001601c477e7$b1d5dc30$06856ad5@one> Message-ID: <024e01c47856$a0c1ea00$cfa2e104@clinton> Dave came in loud and clear here in North Texas Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 11:50 AM Subject: [SEL] Test, Please ignore > Just checking if I am getting any posts from list. > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 2 09:50:01 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 12:50:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Mark Message-ID: <410E70B9.8060300@imc-group.com> Maytag Mark, Would you please contact me off list. I do not have your address on file.... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 2 10:07:40 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 13:07:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag questions Message-ID: <410E74DC.9020602@imc-group.com> Have a few questions for you Maytag experts: 1) What is a good way to brighten the aluminum flywheel on a Maytag? I used air conditioning fin cleaning acid and this was a good start but it is not brilliant shiny yet. 2) On a twin, what is/are the correct colors for each piece supposed to be? 3) At the outboard edge of the main bearing/bushings is something that looks like it may have been a seal at one time. Are there seals/felt or something that is supposed to be there? 4) Which way is the crown on the pistons to be oriented? When I took it apart one had the slope facing the exhaust port the other facing the intake port. Bet that didn't run well! 5) What is a good method to attach one of these to the skids? 6) Is there supposed to be a gasket between the bottom of the crankcase and the top of the gas tank? 7) What is the 1/4 pipe plug in the top of the crankcase for? Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From bolhuis at amtelecom.net Mon Aug 2 10:27:53 2004 From: bolhuis at amtelecom.net (Bob & Sheila Bolhuis) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:27:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Mark References: <410E70B9.8060300@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000401c478b6$0f90def0$6700a8c0@EMACHINE> Hi Curt, Mark is very busy right now working long hours getting set up for the NOAMA show at Findlay Ohio. I doubt if he'll see his email till late tonight if at all. In any case his email is frappi at wcoil.com See Y'all at Findlay !!! Bob Bob & Sheila Bolhuis RR#4 Aylmer , Ont, Can N5H-2R3 519-765-3337 From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Aug 2 11:41:26 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 19:41:26 +0100 Subject: [SEL] good day !! References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> Humble apologies from an ignorant old git. After switching the computer off, and feeling quite proud of his emailing and the day, Jim lay in bed and remembered that he should have put a link to Internal Fire in his email. So here it is: http://www.semidiesel.com/ And while we're in this apology thing, for the first time ever, I forgot to take my camera out with me :-( However, Jim did get some pics when he was there with Arnie, so I'll try to get those up on a webpage of their own, without waiting for Arnie to finish his report of the trip (s). And also, it makes an excuse to go over there again to get some pictures! Dolly John Culp wrote: > That's great, Jim! Wish I could see it in person! > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From jhcullom at adelphia.net Mon Aug 2 11:44:31 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:44:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - Quiet generator References: <010b01c4731d$b5446220$6401a8c0@john> Message-ID: <01c601c478c0$bfd8d8d0$6401a8c0@john> Hi Fellas, I'm in the market for a generator for my household use when the power goes out, preferably a real quiet one. Has anybody had any experience with any? I've heard Honda & Yamaha are up there amoungst the quiet ones, is that true? You can reply off-list. Thanks, John From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Aug 2 12:51:42 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:51:42 EDT Subject: [SEL] Maytag questions Message-ID: In a message dated 8/2/2004 11:40:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: Have a few questions for you Maytag experts: Curt, Try this site. It has helped me find the answers to Maytags. http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Maytag_SM.pdf Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 2 12:48:06 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytag questions In-Reply-To: <410E74DC.9020602@imc-group.com> References: <410E74DC.9020602@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, Since Maytag Mark is busy setting up this week's show in Findlay, Ohio, allow me to answer your questions. On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Curt Holland wrote: > 1) What is a good way to brighten the aluminum flywheel on a Maytag? I > used air conditioning fin cleaning acid and this was a good start but it > is not brilliant shiny yet. I recommend tumbling. I would use an old cement mixer and add large pieces of broken brick and concrete block. A couple of weeks should do it. > 2) On a twin, what is/are the correct colors for each piece supposed to be? Black. > 3) At the outboard edge of the main bearing/bushings is something that > looks like it may have been a seal at one time. Are there seals/felt or > something that is supposed to be there? JB Weld or PC-7 works really well. > 4) Which way is the crown on the pistons to be oriented? When I took it > apart one had the slope facing the exhaust port the other facing the > intake port. Bet that didn't run well! Doesn't matter. They never run anyway. > 5) What is a good method to attach one of these to the skids? A coal miner's pick driven down through the crank-case and embedded in the wood looks just about perfect. > 6) Is there supposed to be a gasket between the bottom of the crankcase > and the top of the gas tank? Not necessary. > 7) What is the 1/4 pipe plug in the top of the crankcase for? The fuse... Hope that helps.... See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 2 13:04:15 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] good day !! In-Reply-To: <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Dolly, On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Jim French wrote: > However, Jim did get some pics when he was there with Arnie, so I'll try to > get those up on a webpage of their own, without waiting for Arnie to finish > his report of the trip (s). And also, it makes an excuse to go over there > again to get some pictures! > Dolly And don't forget the pics I took when I was there with Jim. They are all still on YOUR laptop. And as far as trip reports go, you seem to have forgotten the work completed under your "International Beer for Pages" program... 8-)) And now that you've gotten your hands on a new Firebolt 10001 (turbo), who knows WHEN those might get released to the net.... See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From falcon at telenet.net Mon Aug 2 13:31:04 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:31:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - Quiet generator References: <010b01c4731d$b5446220$6401a8c0@john> <01c601c478c0$bfd8d8d0$6401a8c0@john> Message-ID: <003201c478cf$a3051840$3c5c14d0@net.telenet.net> Onan makes the quietest ones on the market, but they are not the cheapest. If your only using it for temp use once in a while you could buy a cheaper one and route the exhaust through an auto muffler. I did that with a Generac and it is real quiet now as long as I don't aim the exhaust toward a wall. Seems to be OK powering stuff around here. I also have a large surplus unit that is quiet but not very portable. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 2:44 PM Subject: [SEL] OT - Quiet generator > Hi Fellas, > I'm in the market for a generator for my household use when the power > goes out, preferably a real quiet one. Has anybody had any experience with > any? I've heard Honda & Yamaha are up there amoungst the quiet ones, is that > true? You can reply off-list. > Thanks, > John > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Aug 2 14:15:06 2004 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:15:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag questions References: <410E74DC.9020602@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004a01c478d5$c933d140$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> Loved this one! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag questions > Hi Curt, > > Since Maytag Mark is busy setting up this week's show in Findlay, Ohio, > allow me to answer your questions. > > On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Curt Holland wrote: > > > 1) What is a good way to brighten the aluminum flywheel on a Maytag? I > > used air conditioning fin cleaning acid and this was a good start but it > > is not brilliant shiny yet. > > I recommend tumbling. I would use an old cement mixer and add large > pieces of broken brick and concrete block. A couple of weeks should do > it. > > > 2) On a twin, what is/are the correct colors for each piece supposed to be? > > Black. > > > 3) At the outboard edge of the main bearing/bushings is something that > > looks like it may have been a seal at one time. Are there seals/felt or > > something that is supposed to be there? > > JB Weld or PC-7 works really well. > > > 4) Which way is the crown on the pistons to be oriented? When I took it > > apart one had the slope facing the exhaust port the other facing the > > intake port. Bet that didn't run well! > > Doesn't matter. They never run anyway. > > > 5) What is a good method to attach one of these to the skids? > > A coal miner's pick driven down through the crank-case and embedded in the > wood looks just about perfect. > > > 6) Is there supposed to be a gasket between the bottom of the crankcase > > and the top of the gas tank? > > Not necessary. > > > 7) What is the 1/4 pipe plug in the top of the crankcase for? > > The fuse... > > Hope that helps.... > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rexhinz at chorus.net Mon Aug 2 15:56:42 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:56:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag questions References: <410E74DC.9020602@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001201c478e3$fd5fa670$0f86a5d8@mycomputer> Arnie ; I'll have to try your methods sounds like real expert advice , I'll bet Curt has it running by now , If not maybe Dave Rotigel has some real good advice also, I'll have to try the coal minners pick trick as mine keeps rattling the bolts loose from the kick starter :-))) Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "SEL(new)" Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 12:07 PM Subject: [SEL] Maytag questions > Have a few questions for you Maytag experts: > > 1) What is a good way to brighten the aluminum flywheel on a Maytag? I > used air conditioning fin cleaning acid and this was a good start but it > is not brilliant shiny yet. > > 2) On a twin, what is/are the correct colors for each piece supposed to be? > > 3) At the outboard edge of the main bearing/bushings is something that > looks like it may have been a seal at one time. Are there seals/felt or > something that is supposed to be there? > > 4) Which way is the crown on the pistons to be oriented? When I took it > apart one had the slope facing the exhaust port the other facing the > intake port. Bet that didn't run well! > > 5) What is a good method to attach one of these to the skids? > > 6) Is there supposed to be a gasket between the bottom of the crankcase > and the top of the gas tank? > > 7) What is the 1/4 pipe plug in the top of the crankcase for? > > Thanks, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Aug 2 16:27:31 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:27:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] good day !! In-Reply-To: <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <8662979C-E4DB-11D8-8CFA-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > an ignorant old git. Just learned that term a few weeks ago, from a Brit on Big Road Blues. :-) John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Aug 2 17:21:32 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:21:32 EDT Subject: [SEL] list mail Message-ID: I am still having problems with AOL and receiving the list mail. I have received none since last Thursday with the exception that for some reason the ones posted from John Culp come thru. Isn't that strange??? AOL says they need Spencer to once again contact them on my account to resolve the problem, and I tell them that they are the ones who caused the problem and therefore they are the ones to resolve it with me. I had to contact Spencer 3 weeks ago to resolve this very same problem. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rexhinz at chorus.net Mon Aug 2 17:53:46 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:53:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] BREAKING MAYTAG NEWS Message-ID: <003301c478f4$7becb400$0f86a5d8@mycomputer> inteligance has revealed it has recieved information that terrorists are now planning an all out attack on the 2004 Badger Steam and Gas Show in Baraboo, Wisconsin , Aug 20th-22nd , Experts say they have very reliable sources stating the Terroists plan on droping Non Running Maytag engines on unsuspecting engine displays , spilling putrid unburned gasoline and oil from back in the thirties ,Also watch for Maytags with AXES or PICKS burried in their crankcases, Inteligance also explains Non Running Maytag engines add up to about 99.9% of all Maytags produced , However if your at the show and you pick up some of the dropped engines they can bring a hardy income on Ebay even with most parts missing , End. Rex Ps Just Kidding , I actualy got two Matags that run , three or four revelutions with the spark plug in about 10 with the spark plug out From solarrog at pacbell.net Mon Aug 2 12:33:26 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:33:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT - Quiet generator References: <010b01c4731d$b5446220$6401a8c0@john> <01c601c478c0$bfd8d8d0$6401a8c0@john> Message-ID: <037001c478c7$968f8670$316a7343@solar> John the Honda EU inverter series is very quite. will 3000 watts handle your load? I have not seen this series larger than that yet. I think the yamaha/s are still running at 3600 rpm (noisier) But I do not follow there products very closely. Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 11:44 AM Subject: [SEL] OT - Quiet generator > Hi Fellas, > I'm in the market for a generator for my household use when the power > goes out, preferably a real quiet one. Has anybody had any experience with > any? I've heard Honda & Yamaha are up there amoungst the quiet ones, is that > true? You can reply off-list. > Thanks, > John > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Aug 2 18:07:02 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:07:02 EDT Subject: [SEL] list mail Message-ID: <67.2f7213a5.2e403f36@aol.com> In a message dated 8/2/2004 5:30:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Germoamer at aol.com writes: I am still having problems with AOL and receiving the list mail. Tom. What version of AOL are you using? I start having problems with the list when I installed Version 9.0. I had to readjust my email spam filter to accept all emails. You get to this filter by clicking on "Settings" and then go to spam control. Perhaps this will help you. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From jhcullom at adelphia.net Mon Aug 2 19:23:59 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:23:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - Quiet generator References: <010b01c4731d$b5446220$6401a8c0@john><01c601c478c0$bfd8d8d0$6401a8c0@john> <003201c478cf$a3051840$3c5c14d0@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <034b01c47900$ef710960$6401a8c0@john> Thanks for the suggestions on the generators. What I had in mind was to sell the 2 I have now & buy a quiet one, however, I like Steve's suggestion of running a pipe & installing a muffler. That way I could keep the best one & use the money from the other for engine parts (obligatory engine reference). John From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Mon Aug 2 20:41:27 2004 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:41:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] list mail Message-ID: <1cd.276ff2da.2e406367@aol.com> In a message dated 8/2/2004 5:30:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Germoamer at aol.com writes: > I am still having problems with AOL and receiving the list mail. I have > received none since last Thursday with the exception that for some reason > the ones > posted from John Culp come thru. Isn't that strange??? AOL says they need > Spencer Ditto ,here Tom....I received a couple of Arnie's and this one from you, and thats all! Hope someone clears it up! WinkAndGinger at aol.com Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV Members of W.A.P.A, (Western Antique Power Associates) The older the violin....the sweeter the music! From solarrog at pacbell.net Mon Aug 2 21:57:57 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:57:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT - Quiet generator References: <010b01c4731d$b5446220$6401a8c0@john><01c601c478c0$bfd8d8d0$6401a8c0@john><003201c478cf$a3051840$3c5c14d0@net.telenet.net> <034b01c47900$ef710960$6401a8c0@john> Message-ID: <042c01c47916$71ed6040$316a7343@solar> John go down to a local shop and listen to a honda EU series run, you will go home and grab your maytag axe and work your old gen set over, Trust me you will like them P.S. I do not work for Honda Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - Quiet generator > Thanks for the suggestions on the generators. What I had in mind was to > sell the 2 I have now & buy a quiet one, however, I like Steve's > suggestion of running a pipe & installing a muffler. That way I > could keep the best one & use the money from the other for engine parts > (obligatory engine reference). > John > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Aug 2 22:11:23 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 01:11:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] list mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9029B0FC-E50B-11D8-9BE7-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> I'd say that's strange! John On Aug 2, 2004, at 8:21 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > I am still having problems with AOL and receiving the list mail. I > have > received none since last Thursday with the exception that for some > reason the ones > posted from John Culp come thru. Isn't that strange??? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Aug 3 04:31:23 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:31:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] good day !! OT References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk><2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net><410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <015801c4794d$69385a40$0109a4cb@km> G'Day Arnie We can see what you are up to, did not work, with out Dolly you would have zero on the net 8-)), 8-)))))))) > Hi Dolly, > > On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Jim French wrote: > > > However, Jim did get some pics when he was there with Arnie, so I'll try to > > get those up on a webpage of their own, without waiting for Arnie to finish > > his report of the trip (s). And also, it makes an excuse to go over there > > again to get some pictures! > > Dolly > > And don't forget the pics I took when I was there with Jim. They are all > still on YOUR laptop. > > And as far as trip reports go, you seem to have forgotten the work > completed under your "International Beer for Pages" program... 8-)) > And now that you've gotten your hands on a new Firebolt 10001 (turbo), who > knows WHEN those might get released to the net.... > > See ya, Arnie From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 3 05:12:58 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 08:12:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] good day !! References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <410F814A.7050008@imc-group.com> Arnie Fero wrote: >And don't forget the pics I took when I was there with Jim. They are all >still on YOUR laptop. > Arnie, They might as well be on her laptop as they wouldn't do a bit of good on yours seeing as they would never be incorporated into a web page. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. Owed you one for the fine Maytag "advice". P.P.S. The tumbler with bricks was priceless! From oldengineman at hotmail.com Mon Aug 2 10:12:23 2004 From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Pete Stauffer) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 10:12:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] National GADE Show, Marshalltown, IA Message-ID: Hi list: Is anyone else going to the National GADE centennary Show? I'll be heading out tommorrow (or Wednesday) with my 2 hp. GADE "Hawkeye". It will be a little over 1,025 miles each way, so sort of a long trip for me. Hope to see some other list members there. 'Till later, Pete Stauffer Southern West Virginia USA From RGMTRUCK at aol.com Tue Aug 3 05:44:03 2004 From: RGMTRUCK at aol.com (RGMTRUCK at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:44:03 EDT Subject: [SEL] Engine list Friends Message-ID: <159.3b71d2e4.2e40e293@aol.com> Hi all, I am writing to all my friends that I have met thru this great list. I have really enjoyed meeting some in person and just writing to others. I have sold my business and am moving up north soon so I have to unsubscribe from the list and won't be back on untill I get settled up north. It has been a great list to be a part of. If anyone wants to get ahold of me my snail mail address is: Richard Monk 1884 N. Abbe Rd. Fairview, Mi. 48621 My phone number up north is: 989-619-0824. I will be at that number on weekends for a while untill I get completely moved. My number that I have here now is 313-378-5759 It will be on for a while yet. Once I get settled up north and get a computer I will get back with the list. I will miss all the friendly chatter untill then. Enjoy the show season. Rick M From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 3 06:00:31 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 09:00:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BREAKING MAYTAG NEWS References: <003301c478f4$7becb400$0f86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <410F8C6F.8060100@imc-group.com> Rex, If only those administrations had signed onto the Maytag non-Proliferation Agreement years ago, we would not be in this situation today. Guess this also makes Fred a posthumous enemy combatant. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Rex Hinz wrote: > inteligance has revealed it has recieved information that terrorists are >now planning an all out attack on the 2004 Badger Steam and Gas Show in >Baraboo, Wisconsin , Aug 20th-22nd , Experts say they have very reliable >sources stating the Terroists plan on droping Non Running Maytag engines on >unsuspecting engine displays , spilling putrid unburned gasoline and oil >from back in the thirties ,Also watch for Maytags with AXES or PICKS >burried in their crankcases, Inteligance also explains Non Running Maytag >engines add up to about 99.9% of all Maytags produced , However if your at >the show and you pick up some of the dropped engines they can bring a hardy >income on Ebay even with most parts missing , > >End. > > > From marvhed at ecenet.com Tue Aug 3 06:36:03 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:36:03 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [SEL] National GADE Show, Marshalltown, IA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16574.199.62.0.252.1091540163.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> i'll be there with roland morrison from washington state. we'll be by the Gilbert Fox family display. see you friday. marv in minnesota > Hi list: > Is anyone else going to the National GADE centennary Show? I'll be > heading > out tommorrow (or Wednesday) with my 2 hp. GADE "Hawkeye". It will be a > little over 1,025 miles each way, so sort of a long trip for me. Hope to > see some other list members there. 'Till later, > > Pete Stauffer > Southern West Virginia > USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 3 06:27:52 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] good day !! In-Reply-To: <410F814A.7050008@imc-group.com> References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> <410F814A.7050008@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt & Kerry, And well I know it too!! 8-)) And that's why I do EVERYTHING that Dolly tells me too!! See ya, Arnie PS - The tumbler with bricks WORKS too! 8-)) On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Curt Holland wrote: > Arnie Fero wrote: > >And don't forget the pics I took when I was there with Jim. They are all > >still on YOUR laptop. > > > Arnie, > They might as well be on her laptop as they wouldn't do a bit of good on > yours seeing as they would never be incorporated into a web page. > Curt Holland > P.P.S. The tumbler with bricks was priceless! From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Aug 3 07:28:32 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:28:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine list Friends References: <159.3b71d2e4.2e40e293@aol.com> Message-ID: <001e01c47967$839b4540$6783fb40@3rbys01> Congratulations to you! I am replying on list as I have several address for you in my address book and don't know which are current. This one I assume is current. : )) I'm glad that you are finally able to make the "big move". We have certainly been enjoying retirement. It will be good to be close to your folks. Please give them my regards when you next talk to them. We will keep your address and give you a ring or drop in when we are back in the Gaylord area. Our grandson still remembers the train at Fairview. Enjoy the North! Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 7:44 AM Subject: [SEL] Engine list Friends > Hi all, > > I am writing to all my friends that I have met thru this great list. I have > really enjoyed meeting some in person and just writing to others. I have > sold my business and am moving up north soon so I have to unsubscribe from the > list and won't be back on untill I get settled up north. It has been a great > list to be a part of. > > If anyone wants to get ahold of me my snail mail address is: > > Richard Monk > 1884 N. Abbe Rd. > Fairview, Mi. 48621 > > My phone number up north is: 989-619-0824. I will be at that number on > weekends for a while untill I get completely moved. My number that I have here > now is 313-378-5759 It will be on for a while yet. > > Once I get settled up north and get a computer I will get back with the > list. I will miss all the friendly chatter untill then. > > Enjoy the show season. > > Rick M > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Aug 3 07:56:36 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 07:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] National GADE Show, Marshalltown, IA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040803145636.27954.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Pete I am heading out there Friday afternoon (have to work). I will be there on Saturday with the 1 1/2hp C. Stop by if you want... Steve --- Pete Stauffer wrote: Hi list: Is anyone else going to the National GADE centennary Show? I'll be heading out tommorrow (or Wednesday) with my 2 hp. GADE "Hawkeye". It will be a little over 1,025 miles each way, so sort of a long trip for me. Hope to see some other list members there. 'Till later, Pete Stauffer Southern West Virginia USA From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Aug 3 09:05:39 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 16:05:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Engine list Friends Message-ID: Best of luck to you whiile moving Rick. I dread the thought of moving all my 'stuff'. Hope to see you soon! Buckley is only a couple hours drive from Fairview. Will you have time to head over for a day either Aug 20 or 21? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================= >From: RGMTRUCK at aol.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Engine list Friends >Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:44:03 EDT > >Hi all, > >I am writing to all my friends that I have met thru this great list. I >have >really enjoyed meeting some in person and just writing to others. I have >sold my business and am moving up north soon so I have to unsubscribe from >the >list and won't be back on untill I get settled up north. It has been a >great >list to be a part of. > >If anyone wants to get ahold of me my snail mail address is: > >Richard Monk >1884 N. Abbe Rd. >Fairview, Mi. 48621 > >My phone number up north is: 989-619-0824. I will be at that number on >weekends for a while untill I get completely moved. My number that I have >here >now is 313-378-5759 It will be on for a while yet. > >Once I get settled up north and get a computer I will get back with the >list. I will miss all the friendly chatter untill then. > >Enjoy the show season. > >Rick M _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From RGMTRUCK at aol.com Tue Aug 3 09:27:15 2004 From: RGMTRUCK at aol.com (RGMTRUCK at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:27:15 EDT Subject: [SEL] Engine list Friends Message-ID: I have been moving STUFF for a long time. I am getting tired of moving. All my toys are already up north. I am going to try to come to Buckley for the day, maybe I will see you there. Rick Best of luck to you whiile moving Rick. I dread the thought of moving all my 'stuff'. Hope to see you soon! Buckley is only a couple hours drive from Fairview. Will you have time to head over for a day either Aug 20 or 21? From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Aug 3 12:28:51 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 19:28:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Engine list Friends Message-ID: That would be great! Alan Bowen and I set up next to each other there. Only because Alan saves me a spot! He usually grabs the land right next to the wooden towered windmill toward the back corner of the gas engine area. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ====================== >From: RGMTRUCK at aol.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine list Friends >Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:27:15 EDT > > >I have been moving STUFF for a long time. I am getting tired of moving. >All my toys are already up north. I am going to try to come to Buckley >for the >day, maybe I will see you there. > > >Rick > > > >Best of luck to you whiile moving Rick. I dread the thought of moving all >my 'stuff'. Hope to see you soon! Buckley is only a couple hours drive >from > >Fairview. Will you have time to head over for a day either Aug 20 or 21? _________________________________________________________________ Planning a family vacation? Check out the MSN Family Travel guide! http://dollar.msn.com From asouth at strato.net Tue Aug 3 14:30:15 2004 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:30:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Is Larry Billbee (spelling of last name may beincorrect)on SEL or Tractor List? References: <013701c4781c$da145700$d500a8c0@ARTHUR> <002f01c4782a$75be93c0$87e0a841@ibm22761389857> Message-ID: <002801c479a1$11bcd4e0$d500a8c0@ARTHUR> Thanks Bob, AMS Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From kerogas at the-i.net Tue Aug 3 12:52:56 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:52:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag questions References: <410E74DC.9020602@imc-group.com> <001201c478e3$fd5fa670$0f86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <000201c479a6$d43b3ac0$07905841@oemcomputer> Old brake rotors are cheap , easy to find , and make a fine addition to the aggregate in the tumbler mix From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Aug 3 15:31:54 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:31:54 EDT Subject: [SEL] list mail Message-ID: In a message dated 8/3/2004 1:15:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, johnculp at chartertn.net writes: << I'd say that's strange! >> John, Strange indeed it is as you are the only one coming to me on the list mail. Maybe you are well known in the AOL community as not being the SPAM type! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jfaust at mfi.net Tue Aug 3 15:40:10 2004 From: jfaust at mfi.net (Joe Faust) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:40:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] shows in the south Message-ID: <004d01c479aa$d79b58e0$3bcb7d41@jfaust> It seems like all the shows are in the North. Anyone know about shows for Florida folk? Joe Faust Ocala From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Aug 3 15:42:15 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:42:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] list mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5E0D7CB4-E59E-11D8-B5B4-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > Strange indeed it is as you are the only one coming to me on the list > mail. > Maybe you are well known in the AOL community as not being the SPAM > type! Tell that to dol.net. That's Dave Reed's ISP. Whenever I send anything on oldengine.org's list, I get a bounce back that they won't take my mail. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From avanti_64 at juno.com Tue Aug 3 17:00:19 2004 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (Joe Kelley) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:00:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine list Friends Message-ID: <20040803.200022.-1603205.0.avanti_64@juno.com> See you when you get back on Rick... Joe Kelley On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:44:03 EDT RGMTRUCK at aol.com writes: > Hi all, > > I am writing to all my friends that I have met thru this great list. > I have > really enjoyed meeting some in person and just writing to others. I > have > sold my business and am moving up north soon so I have to > unsubscribe from the > list and won't be back on untill I get settled up north. It has > been a great > list to be a part of. > > If anyone wants to get ahold of me my snail mail address is: > > Richard Monk > 1884 N. Abbe Rd. > Fairview, Mi. 48621 > > My phone number up north is: 989-619-0824. I will be at that > number on > weekends for a while untill I get completely moved. My number that > I have here > now is 313-378-5759 It will be on for a while yet. > > Once I get settled up north and get a computer I will get back with > the > list. I will miss all the friendly chatter untill then. > > Enjoy the show season. > > Rick M > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From rexhinz at chorus.net Tue Aug 3 17:35:53 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:35:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] shows in the south References: <004d01c479aa$d79b58e0$3bcb7d41@jfaust> Message-ID: <000601c479bb$02c8dd20$5386a5d8@mycomputer> Joe; try this link , covers lots of shows around the US , Florida has a few listed http://www.tsapa.homestead.com/shows.html Hope its a start Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Faust" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 5:40 PM Subject: [SEL] shows in the south It seems like all the shows are in the North. Anyone know about shows for Florida folk? Joe Faust Ocala _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu Tue Aug 3 18:21:57 2004 From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:21:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] what color? Message-ID: Joe, I don't know what the original color was, or what may be "correct" color match, but I do have a couple of pics of the AlphaDelaval engine on my website. One appears to be "original" and the other appears to be a repaint. To see them go to http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker/shows/huntington/alphadelaval1and1halfhp.jpg and http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker/shows/rushville/alphadelaval1andonehalfhp.jpg Maybe this will be of some assistance/interest to you. Regards, Don Siefker 28 Miles SW of Portland, IN http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Joe Faust Sent: Mon 7/26/2004 6:07 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Cc: Subject: [SEL] what color? I am in the process of restoring an ALPHA Delaval milking machine engine. Who knows what the originga color was? It seems there are traces of olive drab, but I don't want to make a mistake. Joe F _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alanb2 at webtv.net Tue Aug 3 18:57:53 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:57:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine list Friends In-Reply-To: RGMTRUCK@aol.com's message of Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:27:15 EDT Message-ID: <9505-411042A1-6091@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> Hi Rick, I welcome you here in the North. I am just 1/2 a mile South of M-72 about 80 miles west of Fairview. To find Luke & I at Buckley look for a wood framed windmill in the Southeast corner of the show grounds. It should be right between our displays. If you come for a day you might want to stay for the evening too.. Many times I have seen a lot of the spectaters leave about six to seven o'clock. Then a whole new crowd comes in later for the music and dancing. A lot of the time there are three different areas with live music. Then when it gets dark they do a spark show by throwing sawdust into a steam traction engine's firebox while it is belted up to the Prony brake. Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan ~~~~~~Rick Monk wrote~~~~~ I have been moving STUFF for a long time. I am getting tired of moving. All my toys are already up north. I am going to try to come to Buckley for the day, maybe I will see you there. Rick From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Aug 3 19:38:54 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:38:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engine list Friends In-Reply-To: <159.3b71d2e4.2e40e293@aol.com> Message-ID: <200408040239.i742d1st054461@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Enjoy the show season. We'll miss you guys at Portland, but rest assured we'll be making up plenty of stories about you that will become more exagerated as the evening progresses. Good luck in your new position as a man of leisure. Rob From Aermoter at aol.com Tue Aug 3 20:07:23 2004 From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:07:23 EDT Subject: [SEL] Off Topic adoption Message-ID: <97.4b46c06d.2e41aceb@aol.com> I posted this to the old engine list but forgot to send it to the SEL. So, for those of you who already know, just delete. Last year at Portland I had talked with many of you about my wife's and I's adoption of 2 children from Russia. Here is an update for you on the process. We spent 12 days in Russia the last half of June with 6 of those days in Vladivostok which happens to be 12,000 miles and 26 hours of flight time from Kansas. While in Vladivostok we spent those 6 days with 2 little boys, Yuriy 4 and Nikolia 5. This past week we received a phone call telling us to be on a plane for Russia on the 13th of Aug to pick them up and bring them home!! We will do the official adoption on Aug 17th in Vladivostok Court and then have another adoption session at the Am Embassy in Moscow on the 23rd (my birthday is the 22nd so this will make a nice present). We are supposed to be back in the States on the 28th so I guess Portland's out of the question this year but what a wonderful reason to miss it. Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. Aermoter at aol.com From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Aug 3 21:23:28 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 22:23:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Off Topic adoption References: <97.4b46c06d.2e41aceb@aol.com> Message-ID: <001401c479da$cb419200$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Tim, I saw it on the old engine list and didn't reply. Hard to put words to it. I do have short ones in my life and it is heaven and hell combined. Love them, hold them and pray. You and your wife are making the world a better place x 2. God bless you and guide you in your mission. You're a better man than I. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 9:07 PM Subject: [SEL] Off Topic adoption > I posted this to the old engine list but forgot to send it to the SEL. So, > for those of you who already know, just delete. > > Last year at Portland I had talked with many of you about my wife's and I's > adoption of 2 children from Russia. Here is an update for you on the process. > We spent 12 days in Russia the last half of June with 6 of those days in > Vladivostok which happens to be 12,000 miles and 26 hours of flight time from > Kansas. While in Vladivostok we spent those 6 days with 2 little boys, Yuriy 4 > and Nikolia 5. This past week we received a phone call telling us to be on a > plane for Russia on the 13th of Aug to pick them up and bring them home!! We > will do the official adoption on Aug 17th in Vladivostok Court and then have > another adoption session at the Am Embassy in Moscow on the 23rd (my birthday is > the 22nd so this will make a nice present). We are supposed to be back in the > States on the 28th so I guess Portland's out of the question this year but > what a wonderful reason to miss it. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor, Ks. > Aermoter at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From SmithEngines at aol.com Tue Aug 3 22:21:26 2004 From: SmithEngines at aol.com (SmithEngines at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 01:21:26 EDT Subject: [SEL] list mail Message-ID: <1d2.27a6f23a.2e41cc56@aol.com> Dr. John You are the ONLY list mail I've got in 3 full days ! Why ????????? Mike Smith Shreve, Ohio From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 4 05:47:48 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:47:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool Message-ID: <006701c47a21$41793b30$240110ac@VAIO> Can someone give me a location where I can get a good "safe" spyware removal tool? I think I may have an infestation of these critters abiding inside my fragile pc. thanks as she is a lot slower than usual even with DSL. Paul From jhcullom at adelphia.net Wed Aug 4 07:01:24 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:01:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool References: <006701c47a21$41793b30$240110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <011401c47a2b$87c0d300$6401a8c0@john> Paul, Adaware http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/, is a good start. I also use Crap Cleaner as well http://www.softpedia.com/public/cat/14/4/14-4-131.shtml. Spybot Search & Destroy is also good. Hope this helps, John ----- Original Message ----- From: > Can someone give me a location where I can get a good "safe" spyware removal > tool? I think I may have an infestation of these critters abiding inside my > fragile pc. thanks as she is a lot slower than usual even with DSL. From prepair at easynet.co.uk Wed Aug 4 07:22:55 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 15:22:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool In-Reply-To: <006701c47a21$41793b30$240110ac@VAIO> References: <006701c47a21$41793b30$240110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:47:48 -0500, you wrote: >Can someone give me a location where I can get a good "safe" spyware removal >tool? I think I may have an infestation of these critters abiding inside my >fragile pc. thanks as she is a lot slower than usual even with DSL. > >Paul As John says, but Spybot is good, we use that at home and at work. Also look at your memory, you needs at least 256mb of ram these days to make things fly. Peter Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Aug 4 07:29:56 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:29:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Off Topic adoption Message-ID: <20040804.104604.772.4.jlb94@juno.com> CONGRATULATIONS, Tim.!!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From mtucker at uky.edu Wed Aug 4 07:28:18 2004 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:28:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Delco light plant questions Message-ID: Howdy all, I've got a couple of Delco light plant questions from my father-in-law, Roger, that I'm hoping someone can help me out with. Here's the scoop as he knows it as related to him by his brother. The unit is a Delco light plant directly connected to its 32 volt generator. It has 2 flywheels only a couple of inches apart that are about 14 inches in diameter. The valve arrangement is exposed and appears to work in a vertical type of arrangement. He can pull the flywheels through and seems to think that it has compression. When you pull it through the valves don't move so there seems to be a problem there. He didn't mention anything about a serial number. Nothing special, either good or bad, about its condition so I assume that means that it's not a rusted hulk. He estimates the weight at around 300#. First, what is a range of dates for when this critter could have been made? Second, knowing only this information, is it worth $100 (transportation costs do not apply)? Thanks for the help, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From rholtzer at earthlink.net Wed Aug 4 08:08:07 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 08:08:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool In-Reply-To: <006701c47a21$41793b30$240110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040804080657.00b83998@mail.earthlink.net> Spybot works well for me. I don't have their address but a Web search should provide it. It is free but donations are suggested. Bob Holtzer At 07:47 AM 8/4/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Can someone give me a location where I can get a good "safe" spyware removal >tool? I think I may have an infestation of these critters abiding inside my >fragile pc. thanks as she is a lot slower than usual even with DSL. > >Paul > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From stevebarr at ameritech.net Wed Aug 4 09:39:29 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Storms last night In-Reply-To: <200408041557.i74Fv4To051899@whale2.fsr.net> Message-ID: <20040804163929.38963.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> A nice bow echo line of storms rolled thru last night. There was a lot of lightning and one bolt struck a tree in my neighbor's yard (~10 from where my dad has his '53 Super H parked).... Blew the top of the tree out and part of it made a direct hit on the Super H. Looks like a bent steering rod and throttle rod from a distance, but will have to wait until it is safe to do the inspection. As of this morning, the power to our neighbor's house is still on, but the power line is under the branch and but we are not going near the tractor until the power lines are taken care of. Will know more later today (hopefully) after the ComEd comes. 10 Pics at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/storm2004/01.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/storm2004/02.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/storm2004/03.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/storm2004/04.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/storm2004/05.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/storm2004/06.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/storm2004/07.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/storm2004/08.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/storm2004/09.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/storm2004/10.jpg Some are fuzzy as I was in a hurry this morning to get several shots and off into rush hour traffic... No engines were damaged as they are on the trailer and in the garage. Steve From curt at imc-group.com Wed Aug 4 11:19:30 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:19:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Storms last night References: <20040804163929.38963.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <411128B2.5030801@imc-group.com> Steve Barr wrote: >Blew the top of the tree out and >part of it made a direct hit on the Super H. > Damn, where is a Maytag to break the fall when you really need it! Curt Holland P.S. Why do we humans put valuable machinery under trees to "protect" it? We all do it and this is the very place it usually gets destroyed! I'll have to tell you about an MG under a Hickory tree when hurricane Hugo came thru..... From curt at imc-group.com Wed Aug 4 14:57:28 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 17:57:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Boone show pictures are up. Message-ID: <41115BC8.80901@imc-group.com> I put up some of my show favorites from the Boone show this past weekend. Hope you enjoy them. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Boone2004/Thumbnails.html From jfaust at mfi.net Wed Aug 4 16:40:17 2004 From: jfaust at mfi.net (Joe Faust) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:40:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] shows in the south References: <004d01c479aa$d79b58e0$3bcb7d41@jfaust> <000601c479bb$02c8dd20$5386a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <001a01c47a7c$666d77c0$7acb7d41@jfaust> Thank You ----- Original Message ----- From: Rex Hinz To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] shows in the south > Joe; > > try this link , covers lots of shows around the US , Florida has a few > listed > > http://www.tsapa.homestead.com/shows.html > > Hope its a start > > Rex Hinz > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Faust" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 5:40 PM > Subject: [SEL] shows in the south > > > It seems like all the shows are in the North. Anyone know about shows for > Florida folk? > > > Joe Faust > Ocala > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Wed Aug 4 17:08:16 2004 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:08:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool Message-ID: Paul, I find Spybot to be very good and it's free!! Lyndsay >From: >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine List" >Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool >Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:47:48 -0500 > >Can someone give me a location where I can get a good "safe" spyware >removal >tool? I think I may have an infestation of these critters abiding inside my >fragile pc. thanks as she is a lot slower than usual even with DSL. > >Paul > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Searching for that dream home? Try http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au for all your property needs. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 4 17:11:10 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:11:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Boone show pictures are up. References: <41115BC8.80901@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003c01c47a80$b82bb050$240110ac@VAIO> Great pictures Curt, I enjoyed looking at them. Thanks for posting them. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "SEL(new)" Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 4:57 PM Subject: [SEL] Boone show pictures are up. > I put up some of my show favorites from the Boone show this past > weekend. Hope you enjoy them. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Boone2004/Thumbnails.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Aug 4 17:29:05 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:29:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Dinner/Auction References: <159.3b71d2e4.2e40e293@aol.com> Message-ID: <067801c47a83$377f71a0$0400a8c0@Dave> Hi All, Only about 60 people have contacted me to say that they will be at the Portland dinner and auction on Thursday August 26th at 6:00 pm in Ducatur (23 miles north of Portland.) I need to give Ellen a "final estimate" before too long. If you plan to attend, but have not let me know thus far, please do so by contacting me at: rotigel at alltel.net Thanks, and sure hope to see you at Portland! Dave PS, Think about what you might want to bring to donate to the ATIS Charity Auction! From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Aug 4 17:32:36 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:32:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool References: Message-ID: <068901c47a83$b7e8ac80$0400a8c0@Dave> Is there any possibility that someone on the List can recommend a good computer list group so that this kind of post will not be necessary? > Paul, > I find Spybot to be very good and it's free!! > > > > Lyndsay > > > > > > >From: > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "Stationary Engine List" > >Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool > >Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:47:48 -0500 > > > >Can someone give me a location where I can get a good "safe" spyware > >removal > >tool? I think I may have an infestation of these critters abiding inside my > >fragile pc. thanks as she is a lot slower than usual even with DSL. > > > >Paul > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Searching for that dream home? Try http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au for > all your property needs. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Aug 4 17:39:37 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:39:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Boone show pictures are up. In-Reply-To: <41115BC8.80901@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200408050039.i750dkst081746@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Great pictures of some nice engines Curt. The engine with a mixer like an Olds is a Type1 Massey-Harris. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- I put up some of my show favorites from the Boone show this past weekend. Hope you enjoy them. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Boone2004/Thumbnails.html From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Aug 4 19:20:22 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:20:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Boone show pictures are up. References: <41115BC8.80901@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001a01c47a92$c3858d60$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Curt, Great pictures. Looks like a lot of nice engines there. I spent my time a little further north and took a few also. They are at: http://oldengine.org/members/allen/BirdCity/BirdCity.html Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "SEL(new)" Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 3:57 PM Subject: [SEL] Boone show pictures are up. > I put up some of my show favorites from the Boone show this past > weekend. Hope you enjoy them. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Boone2004/Thumbnails.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Aug 4 19:37:52 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:37:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool References: <068901c47a83$b7e8ac80$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <000701c47a95$3501e950$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> This site has a lot of information and several forums. http://www.dslreports.com/forums/all ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool > Is there any possibility that someone on the List can recommend a good > computer list group so that this kind of post will not be necessary? > > > Paul, > > I find Spybot to be very good and it's free!! > > > > > > > > Lyndsay > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: > > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > > >To: "Stationary Engine List" > > >Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool > > >Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:47:48 -0500 > > > > > >Can someone give me a location where I can get a good "safe" spyware > > >removal > > >tool? I think I may have an infestation of these critters abiding inside > my > > >fragile pc. thanks as she is a lot slower than usual even with DSL. > > > > > >Paul > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Searching for that dream home? Try http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au for > > all your property needs. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rwenig at cable-lynx.net Wed Aug 4 19:20:03 2004 From: rwenig at cable-lynx.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 20:20:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool References: <068901c47a83$b7e8ac80$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <41119953.758B74DF@cable-lynx.net> Hello DAve, My $0.02 on the subject. Spy programs don't necessarily come from list programs although a few might get through. Most spy ware is imbedded in questionable web pages we view (some not so questionable), and with bought and paid for programs. Even some spy ware has imbedded spy ware of it's own. IMHO, the only way to reduce the amount of spy ware on a computer is to run a spy ware program frequently specially after installing any program. I don't think you can eliminate spy ware entirely. For instance, the free Adware program will snag Netspy which comes with another boughten program. Then, Spyhunter (also free) will snag adware as spy ware. I haven't tried Spybot but have tried a few others with the same results. Again, that is my opinion. Other opinions may vary. What I would like to see is a positive way to eliminate spam and unsolicited messages. Rupert Dave Rotigel wrote: > > Is there any possibility that someone on the List can recommend a good > computer list group so that this kind of post will not be necessary? > > > Paul, > > I find Spybot to be very good and it's free!! > > > > > > > > Lyndsay > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: > > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > > >To: "Stationary Engine List" > > >Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool > > >Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:47:48 -0500 > > > > > >Can someone give me a location where I can get a good "safe" spyware > > >removal > > >tool? I think I may have an infestation of these critters abiding inside > my > > >fragile pc. thanks as she is a lot slower than usual even with DSL. > > > > > >Paul > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Searching for that dream home? Try http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au for > > all your property needs. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. mailto://rwenig at cable-lynx.net http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/index.html From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Aug 5 02:05:31 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 05:05:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool References: <068901c47a83$b7e8ac80$0400a8c0@Dave> <000701c47a95$3501e950$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <07b101c47acb$5c9a43a0$0400a8c0@Dave> Thanks Jeff, That should help those who are having 'puter trouble! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool > This site has a lot of information and several forums. > http://www.dslreports.com/forums/all > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 6:32 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool > > > > Is there any possibility that someone on the List can recommend a good > > computer list group so that this kind of post will not be necessary? > > > > > Paul, > > > I find Spybot to be very good and it's free!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Lyndsay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: > > > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > > > > >To: "Stationary Engine List" > > > >Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Good Spyware Removal Tool > > > >Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:47:48 -0500 > > > > > > > >Can someone give me a location where I can get a good "safe" spyware > > > >removal > > > >tool? I think I may have an infestation of these critters abiding > inside > > my > > > >fragile pc. thanks as she is a lot slower than usual even with DSL. > > > > > > > >Paul > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >SEL mailing list > > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Searching for that dream home? Try http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au > for > > > all your property needs. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Aug 5 04:40:57 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 07:40:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Boone show pictures are up. References: <200408050039.i750dkst081746@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <41121CC9.4040903@imc-group.com> Patrick, Thanks for the info. Will correct this on the web page. Was the mixer on the MH the same mixer as the Old's? The opening of the mixer is sure a dead ringer for the Old's.... Curt Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >Great pictures of some nice engines Curt. >The engine with a mixer like an Olds is a Type1 Massey-Harris. > > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Aug 5 09:51:15 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 12:51:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How to sign up to the SEL? Message-ID: <41126583.5040009@imc-group.com> Guys, What is the latest link/page to sign up to the SEL? The link at the bottom of posts? Some fellows I've recommended the atis.net route are telling me this is not working, or at least they never got the mail back message. There have been a lot of changes to the SEL in the last months and I think I recall a new signup page/proceedure. Thanks for your help. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From stevebarr at ameritech.net Thu Aug 5 11:09:40 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] How to sign up to the SEL? In-Reply-To: <41126583.5040009@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20040805180940.43801.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> Curt It is part of the signature now... http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --- Curt Holland wrote: Guys, What is the latest link/page to sign up to the SEL? The link at the bottom of posts? Some fellows I've recommended the atis.net route are telling me this is not working, or at least they never got the mail back message. There have been a lot of changes to the SEL in the last months and I think I recall a new signup page/proceedure. Thanks for your help. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Thu Aug 5 11:27:09 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:27:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] How to sign up to the SEL? References: <41126583.5040009@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001701c47b19$d254fb00$3b1117d1@net.telenet.net> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Fill out the form then look for the reply mail. click on the link in that email and your on the list. The only problem is that the reply email sometimes gets tossed out as spam by some ISPs so you need to check the spam,trash and blocked folders to see if it went there instead. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "SEL(new)" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 12:51 PM Subject: [SEL] How to sign up to the SEL? > Guys, > What is the latest link/page to sign up to the SEL? The link at the > bottom of posts? > Some fellows I've recommended the atis.net route are telling me this is > not working, or at least they never got the mail back message. > There have been a lot of changes to the SEL in the last months and I > think I recall a new signup page/proceedure. > Thanks for your help. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Thu Aug 5 11:46:01 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 20:46:01 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Boone show pictures are up. References: <41115BC8.80901@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004701c47b1c$78373040$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Great pictures Curt! I think my favorite is the Otto ;-) Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "SEL(new)" Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 11:57 PM Subject: [SEL] Boone show pictures are up. > I put up some of my show favorites from the Boone show this past > weekend. Hope you enjoy them. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Boone2004/Thumbnails.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Aug 5 16:35:14 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:35:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] How to sign up to the SEL? In-Reply-To: <41126583.5040009@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200408052335.i75NZKIo084090@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Guys, > What is the latest link/page to sign up to the SEL? Hi Curt, Believe it or not, you ARE subscribed to the Stationary Engine List. It's easy to see how you became confused. Although the name SAYS engines, we only discuss computers, spyware, and junky cars. If you want to talk about engines, you might want to try www.canasta.com or www.groceries-express.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 5 17:02:58 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:02:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? Message-ID: <015201c47b48$bd7a7f00$240110ac@VAIO> I have never pulled a trailer to Portland but this year I am bringing a small single axle 5' X 10' utility trailer. Is there somewhere at the Portland Show grounds where you can park your trailer so you don't have to drag it around all the time you are there? If so is it reasonably safe to park it and leave it? Paul From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Aug 5 19:12:00 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:12:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? In-Reply-To: <015201c47b48$bd7a7f00$240110ac@VAIO> References: <015201c47b48$bd7a7f00$240110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <006BDD20-E74E-11D8-A4C8-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Yep. On Aug 5, 2004, at 8:02 PM, wrote: > I have never pulled a trailer to Portland but this year I am bringing a > small single axle 5' X 10' utility trailer. Is there somewhere at the > Portland Show grounds where you can park your trailer so you don't > have to > drag it around all the time you are there? If so is it reasonably safe > to > park it and leave it? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Thu Aug 5 19:38:13 2004 From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 22:38:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? In-Reply-To: <015201c47b48$bd7a7f00$240110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040805223522.00b14a58@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> At 07:02 PM 8/5/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I have never pulled a trailer to Portland but this year I am bringing a >small single axle 5' X 10' utility trailer. Is there somewhere at the >Portland Show grounds where you can park your trailer so you don't have to >drag it around all the time you are there? If so is it reasonably safe to >park it and leave it? > >Paul Paul: The trailer parking area is North of the vendor area. I have parked my equipment trailer there many years with no problems. I even left a chain and binder on it two years ago - still there a week later. (-; See you in a couple of weeks!! - Steve Steve Sewell Albany, Ohio USA sewell at atis.net sewell at ohio.edu From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 5 20:21:24 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:21:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040805223522.00b14a58@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: <05ff01c47b64$76516b90$240110ac@VAIO> Steve would that be over behind the last vendor row all the way at the back of the regular parking lot, I am not sure how the Portland grounds lay out, which is what direction. It seems to me that when I drove my truck into the parking lot area last year I could see some trailers parked at the far back end of the parking lot, I guess this would be North. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve sewell" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? > At 07:02 PM 8/5/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >I have never pulled a trailer to Portland but this year I am bringing a > >small single axle 5' X 10' utility trailer. Is there somewhere at the > > > Paul: The trailer parking area is North of the vendor area. I have parked > my equipment trailer there many years with no problems. I even left a chain > and binder on it two years ago - still there a week later. (-; > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 5 20:31:23 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:31:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Royster Boys Message-ID: <063801c47b65$db8f4710$240110ac@VAIO> Anyone heard from either of the Royster Boys lately? From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Aug 5 20:59:01 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 23:59:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <41130205.2030107@scrtc.com> I have periodically put some info on the SEL about my Miami project. Some background for our newer SEL members: I always wanted a Miami engine. They are quite unique with the Sideshaft located on top of the crankshaft rather than below. I could never find one however. Finally I found one that had been cannibalized. The end of the cylinder had been cut off, a wedge welded on the end of the piston, and all the small parts were gone. All that was there was the base, flywheels, and crankshaft, and 1/2 of a cylinder. The piston and rod were there with the attached wedge. What was sad was that what was there was in terrific shape. No wear, no pits, no rust, probably 85% of the original paint, etc. I bought the parts from Jerry Toews and he had a complete engine exactly like it. He was extremely generous and offered to loan me the complete engine to copy what I needed. What a great offer from a great guy. I'll forever be indebted to him. I will complete info on the this project in several segments on the SEL and will label them 1, 2, 3, etc. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Aug 5 21:03:27 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 00:03:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron #1 In-Reply-To: <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <4113030F.5010108@scrtc.com> The first major undertaking was to have a cylinder pattern made. Here are some links to photos of the cylinder pattern. These are on an Epson site. You may have to turn off filters to view them: Here is the exhaust side of the cylinder pattern: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=60426047 This is part of the core boxes for the water jacket: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=60426043 More to come..... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Aug 5 21:06:32 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 00:06:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron #2 In-Reply-To: <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <411303C8.4030503@scrtc.com> Next was the construction of the head pattern. Here is the head pattern and cores: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=60190130 Here is the head pattern, casting, and original head from Jerry's engine: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=60190174 More to come.... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Thu Aug 5 21:07:16 2004 From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 00:07:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? In-Reply-To: <05ff01c47b64$76516b90$240110ac@VAIO> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040805223522.00b14a58@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040806000512.00b4c660@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> At 10:21 PM 8/5/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Steve would that be over behind the last vendor row all the way at the back >of the regular parking lot, I am not sure how the Portland grounds lay out, >which is what direction. It seems to me that when I drove my truck into the >parking lot area last year I could see some trailers parked at the far back >end of the parking lot, I guess this would be North. > >Paul Yep, that's it. - Steve Steve Sewell Albany, Ohio USA sewell at atis.net sewell at ohio.edu From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Aug 5 21:10:35 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 00:10:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron #3 In-Reply-To: <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <411304BB.6090103@scrtc.com> Next was the small parts. And there was a bunch of 'em! Here are the original parts laying beside new castings/machinings: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=60190128 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Aug 5 21:14:53 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 00:14:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron #4 In-Reply-To: <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <411305BD.9040202@scrtc.com> Pattern work, castings, etc. turned out to be one of the easier parts to the project. Next came the machining. A LOT of work. Here are the cylinder flanges being machined on the rough cylinder casting. This had to be done first to give a true plane to base all the other machining on the cylinder: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=61738302 Here is the head being machined: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=61738305 More to come..... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Aug 5 21:31:11 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 00:31:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron #5 In-Reply-To: <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <4113098F.5040906@scrtc.com> Now its time to put it all together. As I mentioned, what was left of the engine had a great deal of original paint. I didn't have time to do a paint job on it so just to keep it from rusting (as new castings do) I bought a couple of cans of satin black spray paint. The original color on the engine was black. I did this just to keep the rust away. It turned out well enough that I may just leave it as it is. The photo is poor as the lighting is bad. Here is a photo of the complete engine assembled: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083036 Here's a shot of the working end of the sideshaft. You can see the governor, fuel injector, intake, etc: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083039 Here's another shot. You can see the big exhaust valve box at the bottom. Boy, was this a job to machine everything where it would line up and fit. Mostly luck that it fit: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083040 The big exhaust valve box. Pretty unique how it works: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083041 A rear view of the engine. The paint on the flywheels and base is original. I never cleaned the surface rust off the crank throw but 30 minutes with some scotchbrite will take care of that: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083042 This is a repo tag I had made from the original: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083043 A side view of the engine: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083044 It was an enjoyable project but I don't know that I will ever tackle something this massive again. I want to again that Jerry Toews for his generosity. I will be bringing his original engine to Portland to deliver. Hope I haven't been too long winded. I had someone ask me a few weeks ago how the project was going and I told them I would post photos and info when I got a chance. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Fri Aug 6 01:30:28 2004 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Michael Christie) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:30:28 +1000 Subject: [S] [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net><410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> <41130205.2030107@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <003001c47b8f$a2f37320$74a557ca@andrewiowlw0rj> G'day Tommy Fantastic work on the miami! A very interesting engine. I liked the photos of all the patterns you made especially of the cylinder head as i have to make a head for one of my engines as well; http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=showMyPhoto&alb umID=143394803&photoID=171774346&security=NEZhtg It has given me a basic idea of what i have to do and it doesnt look that difficult either to make the patterns. This should inspire me to do something about it soon!! Cheers Mick Mick Christie Victoria, Australia Mickc at vic.australis.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 1:59 PM Subject: [S] [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron > I have periodically put some info on the SEL about my Miami project. > Some background for our newer SEL members: I always wanted a Miami > engine. They are quite unique with the Sideshaft located on top of the > crankshaft rather than below. I could never find one however. Finally > I found one that had been cannibalized. The end of the cylinder had > been cut off, a wedge welded on the end of the piston, and all the small > parts were gone. All that was there was the base, flywheels, and > crankshaft, and 1/2 of a cylinder. The piston and rod were there with > the attached wedge. What was sad was that what was there was in > terrific shape. No wear, no pits, no rust, probably 85% of the original > paint, etc. I bought the parts from Jerry Toews and he had a complete > engine exactly like it. He was extremely generous and offered to loan > me the complete engine to copy what I needed. What a great offer from a > great guy. I'll forever be indebted to him. I will complete info on > the this project in several segments on the SEL and will label them 1, > 2, 3, etc. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Aug 5 23:18:58 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 16:18:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] How to sign up to the SEL? References: <200408052335.i75NZKIo084090@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <00d701c47b91$63b99e80$ca111bd3@athlon> Hey Rob, I really thought that came from Helen!!! VBG (Now running for cover!) Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > Hi Curt, > Believe it or not, you ARE subscribed to the Stationary > Engine List. It's easy to see how you became confused. > Although the name SAYS engines, we only discuss computers, > spyware, and junky cars. If you want to talk about > engines, you might want to try www.canasta.com or > www.groceries-express.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Aug 5 23:30:26 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 16:30:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040805223522.00b14a58@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: <00da01c47b92$1b51bdc0$ca111bd3@athlon> Aw Gee! Will ya leave off talkin about Portland. I CANT SLEEP AT NIGHT!!!!!!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > Paul: The trailer parking area is North of the vendor area. I have parked > my equipment trailer there many years with no problems. I even left a chain > and binder on it two years ago - still there a week later. (-; > See you in a couple of weeks!! > - Steve From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Fri Aug 6 01:43:25 2004 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Michael Christie) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:43:25 +1000 Subject: [S] [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net><410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> <41130205.2030107@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <006301c47b91$723707e0$74a557ca@andrewiowlw0rj> The link in the email buggered up so this one should work. Cheers Mick http://community.webshots.com/photo/143394803/171774346NEZhtg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 1:59 PM Subject: [S] [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron > I have periodically put some info on the SEL about my Miami project. > Some background for our newer SEL members: I always wanted a Miami > engine. They are quite unique with the Sideshaft located on top of the > crankshaft rather than below. I could never find one however. Finally > I found one that had been cannibalized. The end of the cylinder had > been cut off, a wedge welded on the end of the piston, and all the small > parts were gone. All that was there was the base, flywheels, and > crankshaft, and 1/2 of a cylinder. The piston and rod were there with > the attached wedge. What was sad was that what was there was in > terrific shape. No wear, no pits, no rust, probably 85% of the original > paint, etc. I bought the parts from Jerry Toews and he had a complete > engine exactly like it. He was extremely generous and offered to loan > me the complete engine to copy what I needed. What a great offer from a > great guy. I'll forever be indebted to him. I will complete info on > the this project in several segments on the SEL and will label them 1, > 2, 3, etc. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sel at antique-engine.com Fri Aug 6 02:37:01 2004 From: sel at antique-engine.com (Craig Prucha) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 02:37:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <41130205.2030107@scrtc.com> References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> <41130205.2030107@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <1091785021.4113513d68fda@login.kupio.lunarpages.com> Hi Tommy, WOW! Man what a great project and fine restoration you have done! Thanks for posting the restoration story on the SEL and sharing the photos. I must have spent an hour looking through your Miami photo album. All the work you accomplished show a great love for the hobby and should prove to all it's not about the cost. Loved seeing the photos of the machine work taking place. AWESOME! Well thanks again for the update and all the photos. See ya, Craig... PS Will you be bringing the Miami to Coolspring in the future? Quoting Tommy Turner : > I have periodically put some info on the SEL about my Miami project. > Some background for our newer SEL members: I always wanted a Miami > engine. They are quite unique with the Sideshaft located on top of the > crankshaft rather than below. I could never find one however. Finally > I found one that had been cannibalized. The end of the cylinder had > been cut off, a wedge welded on the end of the piston, and all the small > parts were gone. All that was there was the base, flywheels, and > crankshaft, and 1/2 of a cylinder. The piston and rod were there with > the attached wedge. What was sad was that what was there was in > terrific shape. No wear, no pits, no rust, probably 85% of the original > paint, etc. I bought the parts from Jerry Toews and he had a complete > engine exactly like it. He was extremely generous and offered to loan > me the complete engine to copy what I needed. What a great offer from a > great guy. I'll forever be indebted to him. I will complete info on > the this project in several segments on the SEL and will label them 1, > 2, 3, etc. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Aug 6 03:55:22 2004 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 06:55:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The Royster Boys References: <063801c47b65$db8f4710$240110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <003001c47ba3$df39a840$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> Hi Paul: My evil big brother has been off galavanting across the big pond. He and Carol Ann went to England and had a big ole time, and the French's entertained them in high style. I am suprised we haven't read about his travels much like Arnie's travels. Rumor has it he almost got booted off the plane for "suspicious packages". Seems the metal detectors went off in high gear when Steve's luggage went through. All the suits gathered around and started asking questions, Steve got pulled out of line and had to take his shoes off. Big Mistake! Any of yall ever notice he don't never go barefoot? Well he popped those brogans off and all that built up aroma set loose. First off, he ruined two drug sniffing dogs. Next, the food courts got shut down cause folks thought the egg salad went bad. Then the smoke alarms went off which set off the sprinkler systems. Not a bunch of happy people with badges. What was in the bag that started all this mess? Turns out ole Stevie had packed a bunch of them little cans of "Vienie sausages" and the FBI wannabes thought they might be hazardous. Not near as hazardous as them stinky feet!!! Well everybody had a good laugh, Steve got to go to England, plus he now has a special airport pass says he is a "VIP" and don't never have to take his shoes off again. Ain't he special? To top it off he ain't been home a week and gets a letter from the CIA about how his country needs him and all that. Turns out, they want to take him over there where the fighting is, pop off his brogans and "diffuse" the situation. He sure is a lucky feller, gettin to travel on the government dole. And Paul, as for me; well I was left behind here in the States to look after our aging parents and run the family business of making odor eater foot products. I enjoy their company and consider it an honor. I was just Crisco proud Steve got to go over yonder. Well, gotta go now. I preciate the note of concern and hope you and the SEL are all well. Hope to see youins in Portland if we all survive the trip in Steve's truck assuming he keeps his shoes on. My best to you and yours, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 11:31 PM Subject: [SEL] The Royster Boys > Anyone heard from either of the Royster Boys lately? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 6 04:23:26 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 07:23:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <1091785021.4113513d68fda@login.kupio.lunarpages.com> References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> <41130205.2030107@scrtc.com> <1091785021.4113513d68fda@login.kupio.lunarpages.com> Message-ID: <41136A2E.7070806@scrtc.com> Will do Craig. They are an interesting engine to watch run. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >PS Will you be bringing the Miami to Coolspring in the future? > > > > > From old_iron at msn.com Fri Aug 6 06:16:19 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 08:16:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Off Topic adoption Message-ID: CONGRATULATIONS!! So glad to hear this is finally coming through for you, as you know Bill's Bday is the 23rd so this will be a nice "present" for him too since he was adopted from St. Vincent's orphanage here in Chicago 59 years ago! Again CONGRATULATIONS on becoming parents. XOXOXO Peg Pfeiffer >From: Aermoter at aol.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Off Topic adoption Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:07:23 EDT > >I posted this to the old engine list but forgot to send it to the SEL. So, >for those of you who already know, just delete. > >Last year at Portland I had talked with many of you about my wife's and I's >adoption of 2 children from Russia. Here is an update for you on the >process. >We spent 12 days in Russia the last half of June with 6 of those days in >Vladivostok which happens to be 12,000 miles and 26 hours of flight time >from >Kansas. While in Vladivostok we spent those 6 days with 2 little boys, >Yuriy 4 >and Nikolia 5. This past week we received a phone call telling us to be on >a >plane for Russia on the 13th of Aug to pick them up and bring them home!! >We >will do the official adoption on Aug 17th in Vladivostok Court and then >have >another adoption session at the Am Embassy in Moscow on the 23rd (my >birthday is >the 22nd so this will make a nice present). We are supposed to be back in >the >States on the 28th so I guess Portland's out of the question this year but >what a wonderful reason to miss it. > >Tim Christoff >Basehor, Ks. >Aermoter at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From old_iron at msn.com Fri Aug 6 06:20:23 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 08:20:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT 2 holer for sale Message-ID: We have a 2 hole International Corn Sheller for sale it has been restored by Bill and he said the only thing that still needs a little attention is the "cob stacker chain". If you want further information please contact me off list, starting price is $350 OBO need space and $$$. Thanks, Peg Pfeiffer >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Aug 6 07:26:33 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 07:26:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron #5 In-Reply-To: <4113098F.5040906@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <200408061426.i76EQdIo001741@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Hope I haven't been too long winded. I had someone ask me a > few weeks ago how the project was going and I told them I > would post photos and info when I got a chance. Wow Tommy! That's quite a chunk you bit off, but the results are stunning. Thanks for sharing your project. Rob From old_iron at msn.com Fri Aug 6 07:45:28 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 09:45:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show Message-ID: We will be arriving late Thursday and staying at the Dell's KOA. Peg Pfeiffer >From: cgandree at mchsi.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL list) >Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:53:46 +0000 > >Who all will be attending Baraboo show? Trying to get a a head count so >Joe >Prindle and I can figure out how much turf we need to ropeoff. >I also have one room left available at a local motel still available before >I >have to cancel the reserveration. >Let me know, >Curt Andree >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From SmithEngines at aol.com Fri Aug 6 08:30:56 2004 From: SmithEngines at aol.com (SmithEngines at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:30:56 EDT Subject: [SEL] Miami Message-ID: Tommy How far under the $40,000 to $50,000 price of a orig. Miami did you stay? ALL that work had push the real price hard didn't it ? Mike From cgandree at mchsi.com Fri Aug 6 08:40:27 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 15:40:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show Message-ID: <080620041540.26214.13d4@mchsi.com> Hi Peg, Thanks for the reply see you at Baraboo. Extra motel room just got filled by another good engine family. Curt Andree > We will be arriving late Thursday and staying at the Dell's KOA. > > Peg Pfeiffer > > > >From: cgandree at mchsi.com > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL list) > >Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show > >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:53:46 +0000 > > > >Who all will be attending Baraboo show? Trying to get a a head count so > >Joe > >Prindle and I can figure out how much turf we need to ropeoff. > >I also have one room left available at a local motel still available before > >I > >have to cancel the reserveration. > >Let me know, > >Curt Andree > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Fri Aug 6 09:21:21 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:21:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? Message-ID: <001001c47bd1$69fa2900$4d680b42@gnarmstrong> Portland will miss you this year as well Reg. I'm confident your absence will be spoken of during the show. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Reg & Margaret Ingold To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Friday, August 06, 2004 3:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? >Aw Gee! Will ya leave off talkin about Portland. > I CANT SLEEP AT NIGHT!!!!!!!! >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >> Paul: The trailer parking area is North of the vendor area. I have parked >> my equipment trailer there many years with no problems. I even left a >chain >> and binder on it two years ago - still there a week later. (-; >> See you in a couple of weeks!! >> - Steve > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 6 10:57:49 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:57:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4113C69D.6070701@scrtc.com> Mike, I got more in it than I intended. However, I couldn't find one to buy at any price (not that I could afford it). Just not many of these babes out there floating around. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY SmithEngines at aol.com wrote: > Tommy > > How far under the $40,000 to $50,000 price of a orig. Miami > did you stay? ALL that work had push the real price hard didn't > it ? Mike > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Aug 6 11:06:54 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 18:06:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] New Show Pictures Are Up Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I put up some pictures of a show I had the Rumely at a few weeks ago on July 16 & 17. You can see the pictures here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale04/allendale04.html Also I believe there was a list outage when I posted this address of another show I took some pictures at on July 9th. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton04/charlton04.html Hope you enjoy looking at the pictures! Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From curt at imc-group.com Fri Aug 6 13:20:37 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 16:20:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Show Pictures Are Up/Bethware Fair References: Message-ID: <4113E815.9010200@imc-group.com> Luke, Enjoyed the pictures. About 1/2 way down are a couple of pictures to wet your Rumley fever. http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/Bethware2004/Thumbnails.html Didn't he do a great job with the replacement rubber cleats and bands? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I put up some pictures of a show I had the Rumely at a few weeks ago > on July 16 & 17. You can see the pictures here: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale04/allendale04.html > > Also I believe there was a list outage when I posted this address of > another show I took some pictures at on July 9th. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/charlton04/charlton04.html > From rexhinz at chorus.net Fri Aug 6 15:10:33 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:10:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pin Hole In The Hopper Message-ID: <003901c47c02$366f9e40$5486a5d8@mycomputer> Need some Pro advice , My 1-1/2 Simplicity has a pin hole in the cyl. and I get a small tail of bubbles in the water hopper under compression , as far as I can see no water is getting into the cylinder while running or at rest , the engine runs great but am I going to harm the engine by running it or does it need a fix ? I hope this is not a dumb question that is messing up another perfectly clean chaukboard , will JB weld fix it ? thanks Rex Hinz From brock at netspeed.com.au Fri Aug 6 15:51:34 2004 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 08:51:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Pin Hole In The Hopper References: <003901c47c02$366f9e40$5486a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <000701c47c07$edc91490$94c7fea9@merlin> G,day Rex i,ve got a Novo Jr that had a 1/2 hole in in top of head i silver solded a small plug but it kept leaking it was leaking that much that i would not run what end up useing was a locktite product metal putty that comes in a tube then rub it together i sand blasted the area the used a digrinder to open the holes up pushed the stuff in after a about 2 hours i started the engine does not leak no dramas i get the right name for you Brock. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 8:10 AM Subject: [SEL] Pin Hole In The Hopper > Need some Pro advice , My 1-1/2 Simplicity has a pin hole in the cyl. and > I get a small tail of bubbles in the water hopper under compression , as far > as I can see no water is getting into the cylinder while running or at rest > , the engine runs great but am I going to harm the engine by running it or > does it need a fix ? I hope this is not a dumb question that is messing up > another perfectly clean chaukboard , will JB weld fix it ? thanks > > Rex Hinz > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From kerogas at the-i.net Fri Aug 6 16:13:04 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:13:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pin Hole In The Hopper References: <003901c47c02$366f9e40$5486a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <002001c47c0a$ee05ef20$07905841@oemcomputer> man , that turned into a thesis , sorry , just waiting for my ride ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Need some Pro advice , My 1-1/2 Simplicity has a pin hole in the cyl. and > I get a small tail of bubbles in the water hopper under compression , as far > as I can see no water is getting into the cylinder while running or at rest > , the engine runs great but am I going to harm the engine by running it or > does it need a fix ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> water in the cyl will eventually stick the rings so you'll probly dump the water and run her dry before you set her up . thats a pain sorta a few drops of water in the wrong placeon the plug/ignitor inside the conm chamber will make the ignition get weird on ya too . Normally on very hot days with 20 people watching you fail to start it . I had a Nelson like that finally had to braze it . 6 inch frost crack >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope this is not a dumb question that is messing up > another perfectly clean chaukboard , will JB weld fix it ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if it is accessible , I'd say some epoxy and a sheet metal screw would do wonders . You will have to sandblast or grind as it wont stick for too long I say a screw as the resulting explosions will be trying to push the epoxy out like a zit and if it stays stuck , then it worked , otherwise ....... If it is on the bottom and you cant get at it from the water jacket AND it is above the area that the rings ride ,one from the inside would be the ticket Maybe a wee machine bolt with the threads beat over the nut would feel safer . If it rotted all the way throughyou know the cylinder has got to be pretty thin elsewhere too . Like an old gas tank . "made of lace " It would be nice to take the head off so you could put a finger on each side and get a feel for what is left to work with . All you need to make the head gasket is a ball pien hammer , so jump in and so greasy you cant take pictures.Stick the point of your pocket knife in the hole , scrape it around and see how big it gets and choose a short screw , grind it off if its too long . The chicks will think you are a genius ! As per the chalkboard , I meant the math required to figure out a proper gov spring . None required . I trust she is set nice now , or she wouldn't be blowing bubbles ? Quite a feeling aye ? Most empowering too . SEL is a giant never ending piece of scratch paper,so scribble on Bro ! Chuck Balyeat On the Nueces , Texas From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 6 17:23:05 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:23:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The Royster Boys References: <063801c47b65$db8f4710$240110ac@VAIO> <003001c47ba3$df39a840$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: <00a601c47c14$b6f8b800$240110ac@VAIO> I can see that the Royster Brothers are alive and well, just the type of message I expected to get back. Only the Royster Boys have such creative minds and such a literary perspective on things. Mike you are just toooooo much for me. I will be looking forward to seeing you at Portland this year. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 5:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] The Royster Boys > Hi Paul: > My evil big brother has been off galavanting across the big pond. He and > Carol Ann went to England and had a big ole time, and the French's > entertained them in high style. I am suprised we haven't read about his > travels much like Arnie's travels. Rumor has it he almost got booted off > the plane for "suspicious packages". Seems the metal detectors went off in > high gear when Steve's luggage went through. All the suits gathered around > and started asking questions, Steve got pulled out of line and had to take > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 6 17:31:43 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:31:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Stover Owners Message-ID: <00d801c47c15$ec2df9d0$240110ac@VAIO> Ok Gang I am going to try again. I would like to correspond with ANYONE who has any Stover's with Fuel Saver Arms on them. I just cannot accept that I have the only Stover Head in the world with my configuration of Fuel Saver Arm, the one I cannot find. It want take you but a second to respond to this inquiry and let me know if you have a Stover Engine with a Fuel Saver Arm, you may just be the person I have been searching for during the last five or so years. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 6 17:40:17 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:40:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Weekly Plea for Transportation Help Message-ID: <00ed01c47c17$1ed0d0f0$240110ac@VAIO> Portland is only a couple of weeks away and once again I am submitting my weekly plea for transportation help to get my fodder chopper hauled from George Woodzell's house in Schenectady, NY to Ivan Cousins place in Clarion, Pa or to Portland. Ivan has graciously consented to haul it from his place in Clarion, Pa to Portland if someone can get it to him there. As I have said in previous posts George hauled the chopper from Massachusetts to his home in Schenectady in the back of his Volvo station wagon so it is not a big piece of equipment. If anyone can help me please contact me via e-mail or via phone at 501-230-8229. Somebody make my day for me and help me out, I would be indebted to you. Thanks. Paul From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Aug 7 00:39:54 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:39:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Boone show pictures are up. In-Reply-To: <41121CC9.4040903@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200408070739.i777dwIo050196@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi Curt, I am not sure what the connection between the early Massey-Harris engines (which came from the purchase of the Deyo-Macey Engine Co.) but there must be something as the carbys are very similar. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Patrick, Thanks for the info. Will correct this on the web page. Was the mixer on the MH the same mixer as the Old's? The opening of the mixer is sure a dead ringer for the Old's.... Curt From maytag_eradication_initiative at yahoo.com Sat Aug 7 01:03:57 2004 From: maytag_eradication_initiative at yahoo.com (Hugh Jorgan) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 01:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Looking for Stover Owners In-Reply-To: <00d801c47c15$ec2df9d0$240110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <20040807080357.55516.qmail@web50309.mail.yahoo.com> Jeez Louise! Tommy Turner just posted pictures of virtually an entire engine that he recreated and you are worried about a stinking little fuel saver arm. Start off by getting the valves loosened up and get the thing running, then get some scrap iron and make one. Keep playing with it until you get something that works and then worry about making it look nice. It shouldn't be hard to know what the right part should look like once you know how it works. Anyone hear anything from Glenn Winslow lately? Maybe the rattler got him? Now we have a homeless and unemployed gerbil to deal with..... Hugh --- paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > Ok Gang I am going to try again. I would like to correspond with > ANYONE who > has any Stover's with Fuel Saver Arms on them. I just cannot > accept that I > have the only Stover Head in the world with my configuration of > Fuel Saver > Arm, the one I cannot find. It want take you but a second to > respond to this > inquiry and let me know if you have a Stover Engine with a Fuel > Saver Arm, > you may just be the person I have been searching for during the > last five or > so years. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From namhel at supernet.com Sat Aug 7 06:53:26 2004 From: namhel at supernet.com (LYNN LEHMAN) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:53:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron Message-ID: <410-2200486713532626@supernet.com> I read the list all the time ,and usually never have a lot to say, but looked through your engine photos and seen all the time and work you put into it . what an excellent job! priceles! From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Aug 7 10:02:31 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 13:02:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron In-Reply-To: <410-2200486713532626@supernet.com> References: <410-2200486713532626@supernet.com> Message-ID: <41150B27.5030807@scrtc.com> Thanks for the kind comments you and others have given. It was a lot of fun and enjoyment but I'm not sure I would want to tackle another project of such large magnitude again. Maybe when I retire...... I'll probably have it out at some shows next year. I have to give special thanks to those that helped, gave advice, etc. on bringing the project together. Scott Ferguson, Packy Erpelding, Scotty Workman, and several others were a big help in getting it done. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY LYNN LEHMAN wrote: > I read the list all the time ,and usually never have a lot to say, but looked through your engine photos and seen all the time and work you put into it . >what an excellent job! priceles! >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 7 16:13:57 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 18:13:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Somone - Help! Message-ID: <014801c47cd4$39a32280$240110ac@VAIO> Folks I am trying to get in touch with Harry Eisenhower III, I was told he used Harry's Barn Sale and Big Engine Site's in the past but for some reason I cannot search the archives. Does anyone know him, I am looking for his e-mail address or his telephone number. I think he may be able to help me with a problem I have on some old iron. Thanks, Paul From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com Sat Aug 7 18:02:39 2004 From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:02:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The Royster Boys OT References: <063801c47b65$db8f4710$240110ac@VAIO> <003001c47ba3$df39a840$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: <005d01c47ce3$67deeda0$84c67040@user> Usta know a guy like that. Bought a pair of them "odor eaters", took two steps and vanished. Gotta be carefull... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] The Royster Boys Hi Paul: My evil big brother has been off galavanting across the big pond. He and Carol Ann went to England and had a big ole time, and the French's entertained them in high style. I am suprised we haven't read about his travels much like Arnie's travels. Rumor has it he almost got booted off the plane for "suspicious packages". Seems the metal detectors went off in high gear when Steve's luggage went through. All the suits gathered around and started asking questions, Steve got pulled out of line and had to take his shoes off. Big Mistake! Any of yall ever notice he don't never go barefoot? Well he popped those brogans off and all that built up aroma set loose. First off, he ruined two drug sniffing dogs. Next, the food courts got shut down cause folks thought the egg salad went bad. Then the smoke alarms went off which set off the sprinkler systems. Not a bunch of happy people with badges. What was in the bag that started all this mess? Turns out ole Stevie had packed a bunch of them little cans of "Vienie sausages" and the FBI wannabes thought they might be hazardous. Not near as hazardous as them stinky feet!!! Well everybody had a good laugh, Steve got to go to England, plus he now has a special airport pass says he is a "VIP" and don't never have to take his shoes off again. Ain't he special? To top it off he ain't been home a week and gets a letter from the CIA about how his country needs him and all that. Turns out, they want to take him over there where the fighting is, pop off his brogans and "diffuse" the situation. He sure is a lucky feller, gettin to travel on the government dole. And Paul, as for me; well I was left behind here in the States to look after our aging parents and run the family business of making odor eater foot products. I enjoy their company and consider it an honor. I was just Crisco proud Steve got to go over yonder. Well, gotta go now. I preciate the note of concern and hope you and the SEL are all well. Hope to see youins in Portland if we all survive the trip in Steve's truck assuming he keeps his shoes on. My best to you and yours, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 11:31 PM Subject: [SEL] The Royster Boys > Anyone heard from either of the Royster Boys lately? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Aug 7 18:36:40 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:36:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Last-Minute Portland Motel Reservation? Message-ID: <65949CC8-E8DB-11D8-BBDD-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> I've just cancelled 2 rooms at the Muncie, IN Super-8 from Sunday August 22-Sunday August 29. Here's their contact info: SUPER 8 MOTEL - MUNCIE 3601 W. Foxridge Ln. Muncie , Indiana ? 47304 United States 765-286-4333 We'll miss seeing y'all at Portland. Have fun! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From pwaugh at mchsi.com Sat Aug 7 20:07:59 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:07:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040805223522.00b14a58@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> <00da01c47b92$1b51bdc0$ca111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <002501c47cf4$e94823a0$0400a8c0@paul> Reg are you having trouble sleeping during the day also??, or is that part ok?? miss ya Paul W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 1:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? > Aw Gee! Will ya leave off talkin about Portland. > I CANT SLEEP AT NIGHT!!!!!!!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > Paul: The trailer parking area is North of the vendor area. I have parked > > my equipment trailer there many years with no problems. I even left a > chain > > and binder on it two years ago - still there a week later. (-; > > See you in a couple of weeks!! > > - Steve > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Aug 7 21:34:05 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:34:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Show pictures Message-ID: <000d01c47d00$f0d9e3e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Take a look at: http://frapa.us/Photos/Ault/Ault.html Small town festival with engines. The three Listers running were impressive. Also a Petter. The UK was well represented at this show. Enjoy. Reg don't loose any more sleep. Think of Portland as cement, and cement is work. Can't wait for the day I can go. :) Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Aug 8 02:16:04 2004 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 19:16:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] TANGYE Dating?? In-Reply-To: <000d01c47d00$f0d9e3e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040808191307.00b8a3c8@mail.ncable.com.au> >G'day all. I would like to find out the age and any other info on hand >about a TANGYE engine. Number is 6552B, I would guess it to be about 5hp?? >Anyone a guru on these who can pass on some info to me. Thanks, Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Aug 8 03:12:36 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:12:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040805223522.00b14a58@oak.cats.ohiou.edu><00da01c47b92$1b51bdc0$ca111bd3@athlon> <002501c47cf4$e94823a0$0400a8c0@paul> Message-ID: <005001c47d30$437108c0$86121bd3@athlon> See! Thats all the damn sympathy I get!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? > Reg > > are you having trouble sleeping during the day also??, or is that part ok?? > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Aug 8 03:14:39 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:14:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Show pictures References: <000d01c47d00$f0d9e3e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <005801c47d30$88308580$86121bd3@athlon> Jeff, I really dont think cuddling all the list girls as work!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold Reg don't loose any more sleep. Think of Portland as cement, and cement is work. Can't wait for the day I can go. :) From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Aug 8 03:32:18 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 11:32:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Trailer Parking? In-Reply-To: <005001c47d30$437108c0$86121bd3@athlon> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040805223522.00b14a58@oak.cats.ohiou.edu><00da01c47b92$1b51bdc0$ca111bd3@athlon> <002501c47cf4$e94823a0$0400a8c0@paul> <005001c47d30$437108c0$86121bd3@athlon> Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:12:36 +1000, you wrote: >See! Thats all the damn sympathy I get!!! >Reg & Marg Ingold. You just need to appoint someone as a 'proxy Reggie' who can do all of the kissing and cuddling for you, that way nobody misses out.... 'cept you of course!! :-)) We'll miss you this year, seems that few are coming from overseas..... Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Sun Aug 8 05:11:00 2004 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Michael Christie) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 22:11:00 +1000 Subject: [S] [SEL] TANGYE Dating?? References: <5.2.0.9.2.20040808191307.00b8a3c8@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <001301c47d40$c70578a0$42a557ca@andrewiowlw0rj> G'day Russell I would say the date to be roughly 1906 as mine is No6255B and a chap in england dated it to this roughly. Cheers Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 7:16 PM Subject: [S] [SEL] TANGYE Dating?? > > >G'day all. I would like to find out the age and any other info on hand > >about a TANGYE engine. Number is 6552B, I would guess it to be about 5hp?? > >Anyone a guru on these who can pass on some info to me. > > > Thanks, Russell > > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rexhinz at chorus.net Sun Aug 8 07:15:09 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:15:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pin Hole In The Hopper References: <003901c47c02$366f9e40$5486a5d8@mycomputer> <002001c47c0a$ee05ef20$07905841@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000b01c47d52$1e2fdce0$1a86a5d8@mycomputer> Thanks Chuck ; After a little probing I found a Frost crack like you mentioned , It has been repaired with some braze and the braze has a small pin hole , I will try the screw trick and go from there , I want to show it at the Badger show in Baraboo Wi. in a couple weeks I have run it quite some time with the leak with no problem so I may wait till after the show and then maybe see if it needs a sleeve , sorry I missunderstood you on the chaukboard my appoligies and excuse my spelling , I only put in 7 years of school and most of them were in first grade ;-)) Thanks Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Pin Hole In The Hopper > man , that turned into a thesis , sorry , just waiting for my ride ;-) > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Need some Pro advice , My 1-1/2 Simplicity has a pin hole in the cyl. > and > > I get a small tail of bubbles in the water hopper under compression , as > far > > as I can see no water is getting into the cylinder while running or at > rest > > , the engine runs great but am I going to harm the engine by running it or > > does it need a fix ? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > water in the cyl will eventually stick the rings so you'll probly dump the > water > and run her dry before you set her up . thats a pain sorta > a few drops of water in the wrong placeon the plug/ignitor inside the conm > chamber will > make the ignition get weird on ya too . > Normally on very hot days with 20 people watching you fail to start it . I > had a Nelson like that > finally had to braze it . 6 inch frost crack > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I hope this is not a dumb question that is messing up > > another perfectly clean chaukboard , will JB weld fix it ? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > if it is accessible , I'd say some epoxy and a sheet metal screw would do > wonders . > You will have to sandblast or grind as it wont stick for too long > I say a screw as the resulting explosions will be trying to push the epoxy > out like a zit > and if it stays stuck , then it worked , otherwise ....... > If it is on the bottom and you cant get at it from the water jacket > AND it is above the area that the rings ride ,one from the inside would be > the ticket > Maybe a wee machine bolt with the threads beat over the nut would feel > safer . > If it rotted all the way throughyou know the cylinder has got to be pretty > thin > elsewhere too . Like an old gas tank . "made of lace " It would be nice to > take the head off > so you could put a finger on each side and get a feel for what is left to > work with . > All you need to make the head gasket is a ball pien hammer , so jump in > and so greasy you cant take pictures.Stick the point of your pocket knife > in > the hole , scrape it around and see how big it gets and choose a short screw > , grind it off if its > too long . The chicks will think you are a genius ! > > As per the chalkboard , I meant the math required to figure out a proper > gov spring . None required . I trust she is set nice now , or she wouldn't > be blowing bubbles ? > Quite a feeling aye ? Most empowering too . > SEL is a giant never ending piece of scratch paper,so scribble on Bro ! > > > Chuck Balyeat > On the Nueces , Texas > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Sun Aug 8 07:17:45 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 14:17:45 +0000 Subject: [SEL] New Show Pictures Are Up/Bethware Fair Message-ID: The cleats look great. I would like to do something like that on my rear wheels, but have no idea where to get the chunks of rubber at. I could always cut and drill them myself. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================== >From: Curt Holland >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] New Show Pictures Are Up/Bethware Fair >Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 16:20:37 -0400 > >Luke, >Enjoyed the pictures. >About 1/2 way down are a couple of pictures to wet your Rumley fever. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/Bethware2004/Thumbnails.html > >Didn't he do a great job with the replacement rubber cleats and bands? >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From rexhinz at chorus.net Sun Aug 8 08:36:16 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:36:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT . Old IHC trucks May be lost forever Message-ID: <000b01c47d5d$77e51970$1a86a5d8@mycomputer> Hello list ; I know this is off topic But as engine collectors we all hate to see restorable engine get busted up and melted down for their iron content , Well the same is going to happen to a lot of old K model IHC trucks if I don't stop it , My boss is cleaning up the the old Iron pile and there are about 14 old trucks starting around the 1930's that will be destroyed if I can't find some one who wants them , if any of you know anyone who may collect IHC's and or need parts this is a real chance to get them Cheap here is a link with pictures of them , http://client.webshots.com/photo/172545489/172555083AQOSXf I am not a salesman and I get nothing for doing this I just hate to see the trucks get wasted if someone can use them. you may contact me off list rexhinz at chorus.net sorry if I offended anyone with this post Rex Hinz From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Aug 8 08:48:18 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 16:48:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT . Old IHC trucks May be lost forever In-Reply-To: <000b01c47d5d$77e51970$1a86a5d8@mycomputer> References: <000b01c47d5d$77e51970$1a86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:36:16 -0500, you wrote: >Hello list ; > > I know this is off topic But as engine collectors we all hate to see >restorable engine get busted up and melted down for their iron content , >Well the same is going to happen to a lot of old K model IHC trucks if I >don't stop it , My boss is cleaning up the the old Iron pile and there are >about 14 old trucks starting around the 1930's that will be destroyed if I >can't find some one who wants them , > if any of you know anyone who may collect IHC's and or need parts this is >a real chance to get them Cheap > here is a link with pictures of them , >http://client.webshots.com/photo/172545489/172555083AQOSXf > > I am not a salesman and I get nothing for doing this I just hate to see the >trucks get wasted if someone can use them. >you may contact me off list rexhinz at chorus.net >sorry if I offended anyone with this post >Rex Hinz Hi Rex: I don't think anyone would complain for you posting that information, a lot of the guys have other interests besides stationary engines, and the more people get to know the better chance there is that someone will come along and save them. There was a nicely restored old-timer truck at the Woodland Swap Meet last year when we came over in October, very nicely done. Another nice restored but working truck was at Tulare, the owner was also the restorer of a couple of the Caterpillar exhibits IIRC. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Aug 8 09:17:28 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:17:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT . Old IHC trucks May be lost forever In-Reply-To: <000b01c47d5d$77e51970$1a86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <200408081617.i78GHWIo078912@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > My boss is cleaning up the the old Iron pile > and there are about 14 old trucks starting Hi Rex, Your email has been forwarded to the Grand Poobah of the local chapter of the Antique Truck Historical Society on the off chance that he or one of his homeboys need something that your boss has. Perhaps you can go to the national body's web page, find your local chapter, and give them a call. http://www.aths.org/chapters.asp I'll bet those guys will be as happy to hear from you as you would be if some jamoke called you with a yard full of engines. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Aug 8 18:21:12 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 21:21:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show pictures In-Reply-To: <000d01c47d00$f0d9e3e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> References: <000d01c47d00$f0d9e3e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <67020BA0-E9A2-11D8-8DD7-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Lots of nice engines there! On Aug 8, 2004, at 12:34 AM, Jeff Allen wrote: > Hello all, > > Take a look at: http://frapa.us/Photos/Ault/Ault.html John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Aug 8 20:11:15 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? In-Reply-To: <001001c47bd1$69fa2900$4d680b42@gnarmstrong> References: <001001c47bd1$69fa2900$4d680b42@gnarmstrong> Message-ID: Hell Reg, Not only will we be talking about you, we're gonna charge all our beer to your credit card and use your name with the bail bondsman!! Remember after that little "incident" with the twins last year he said you were his BEST customer and that he was gonna open an account just for YOUR business!! I'll try my best to deliver "Reggie cuddles" to the Ladies of the SEL. But it just won't be the same.... See ya, Arnie On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > Portland will miss you this year as well Reg. I'm confident your absence > will be spoken of during the show. Geo. > -----Original Message----- > From: Reg & Margaret Ingold > > >Aw Gee! Will ya leave off talkin about Portland. > > I CANT SLEEP AT NIGHT!!!!!!!! > >Reg & Marg Ingold. From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 8 22:01:11 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 00:01:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? References: <001001c47bd1$69fa2900$4d680b42@gnarmstrong> Message-ID: <001901c47dcd$e4554e20$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Hi All, just a word to let everyone know that Jennifer and I will not be making the trip to Portland this year. I have been confined to a wheel chair for the past 30 days due to a diabetic wound on a foot that has refused to heal since the first of April. That however is not the straw that broke the camels back, Jen's mother Garnett (71) has been the sole caregiver to Jen's father Bill (89) for the past 15 years. Bill has congestive heart failure and a host of other ills that have made him bed ridden, July 20th Garnett suffered a stoke and is paralyzed on her left side. This means that Jennifer is now the main caregiver for all three of us, and works a 50 plus hours work week at her job. So, maybe next time, Have fun ! PS, a couple of you are expecting deliveries from me there, I am looking for rides for them , but if that fails we will have to fall back on the mail or what ever. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? > Hell Reg, > > Not only will we be talking about you, we're gonna charge all our beer to > your credit card and use your name with the bail bondsman!! Remember > after that little "incident" with the twins last year he said you were his > BEST customer and that he was gonna open an account just for YOUR > business!! > > I'll try my best to deliver "Reggie cuddles" to the Ladies of the SEL. > But it just won't be the same.... > > See ya, Arnie > > On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > > > Portland will miss you this year as well Reg. I'm confident your absence > > will be spoken of during the show. Geo. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Reg & Margaret Ingold > > > > >Aw Gee! Will ya leave off talkin about Portland. > > > I CANT SLEEP AT NIGHT!!!!!!!! > > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon Aug 9 07:37:10 2004 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 07:37:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? References: <001001c47bd1$69fa2900$4d680b42@gnarmstrong> <001901c47dcd$e4554e20$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <003b01c47e1e$5b0bdfc0$66fe3e04@yourc8bh3jaglt> Hi Ted, We will be through Kansas City on Aug 22 on our way to Portland. Be glad to help if we can. Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Brookover" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? > Hi All, just a word to let everyone know that Jennifer and I will not be > making the trip to Portland this year. > > I have been confined to a wheel chair for the past 30 days due to a diabetic > wound on a foot that has refused to heal since the first of April. > > That however is not the straw that broke the camels back, Jen's mother > Garnett (71) has been the sole caregiver to Jen's father Bill (89) for the > past 15 years. Bill has congestive heart failure and a host of other ills > that have made him bed ridden, > > July 20th Garnett suffered a stoke and is paralyzed on her left side. > > This means that Jennifer is now the main caregiver for all three of us, and > works a 50 plus hours work week at her job. > > So, maybe next time, Have fun ! > > PS, a couple of you are expecting deliveries from me there, I am looking for > rides for them , but if that fails we will have to fall back on the mail or > what ever. > > Ted Brookover > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > 816-763-3142 > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 10:11 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? > > > > Hell Reg, > > > > Not only will we be talking about you, we're gonna charge all our beer to > > your credit card and use your name with the bail bondsman!! Remember > > after that little "incident" with the twins last year he said you were his > > BEST customer and that he was gonna open an account just for YOUR > > business!! > > > > I'll try my best to deliver "Reggie cuddles" to the Ladies of the SEL. > > But it just won't be the same.... > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > > > > > Portland will miss you this year as well Reg. I'm confident your > absence > > > will be spoken of during the show. Geo. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Reg & Margaret Ingold > > > > > > >Aw Gee! Will ya leave off talkin about Portland. > > > > I CANT SLEEP AT NIGHT!!!!!!!! > > > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Mon Aug 9 08:00:58 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:00:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Webster Mag Date Message-ID: <01ba01c47e21$ad8631d0$0301a8c0@ALEC> When was the 1st Webster Mag made and put in use on an engine????????????? Tks Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 From yostsw at atis.net Mon Aug 9 08:12:40 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 11:12:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS events References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> Message-ID: <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> If I could, I would like to get two things from the Portland Attendees/planners: Dates and times of gatherings, events, etc. I am putting together a schedule of events for Portland and would like everyone that has something planned for the Portland show please let me know. For example, if the engine folks could let me know about the beer tasting or George Willer et al, if you could let me know about any camping times or dates that might be helpful on a schedule, etc. Even though I planned it last year and ended up not being able to attend, I would like to put together another "Tractor List Dinner" for Wednesday night at the Mexican restaurant. I got some good feedback from last year so I thought we should do it again. Please let me know if you would like to attend. Thanks and I am READY for Portland Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From shop at cccomm.net Mon Aug 9 09:14:46 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:14:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Message-ID: <019c01c47e2b$fe349950$6501a8c0@Shop> What year is a Fairbanks Z, 3 hp with a serial number of 33,588? I just acquired it. It has an ignitor, but I don't see any provisions for a mag. Would it be coil & battery operated? Dave From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Aug 9 10:19:12 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:19:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Message-ID: <20040809.101913.1212.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Dave. Either you are missing one number or it is a Canadian serial number, and I do not have a list for those. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:14:46 -0700 "Dave Ernst" writes: > What year is a Fairbanks Z, 3 hp with a serial number of 33,588? > I just acquired it. It has an ignitor, but I don't see any > provisions for a mag. Would it be coil & battery operated? > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Aug 9 10:22:55 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:22:55 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks References: <019c01c47e2b$fe349950$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <000701c47e35$8221dbc0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Dave, what I read in Gary Pflum's Gasengine year book it has to be 1918 #289163 - 361036. I can't tell you anything about the ignition. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" What year is a Fairbanks Z, 3 hp with a serial number of 33,588? I just acquired it. It has an ignitor, but I don't see any provisions for a mag. Would it be coil & battery operated? Dave From marvhed at ecenet.com Mon Aug 9 11:18:06 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 18:18:06 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [SEL] Portland map In-Reply-To: <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com><200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <15479.199.62.0.252.1092075486.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> could someone please re-post the link to the SEL enhanced portland grounds map/ terraserver pic that i seem to remember. thanks, marv in minn. From oldengin at udata.com Mon Aug 9 11:46:52 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:46:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Camping.... In-Reply-To: <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <4117C69C.60901@udata.com> Ok, now it will be just one week before I head off to the promised land. What I need is a better count for the camping area... If you have been included in the past and now want to do something stupid and NOT go I would like to know this also! I have about 12 at this time, but that number includes a spot for my friend from Kansas that does not have a putter and a spot for a friend of Dave's. Please let me know by this Thursday and I will write you to confirm. Also we can keep this off list so Bambi and Nitro do not read how busy they might be..... PS Dave, Brutis said you do not get a refund from Findlay and he hopes the shots work out ok for you PSS Mike, you let me forget something, correct?????????????????????? PSSS Arnie remember "BIG BUTT"................................................ PSSSS Ben, how did you marry such a young woman? and give her my phone number if something happens to you -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From mtucker at uky.edu Mon Aug 9 12:00:45 2004 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:00:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Camping NOW Findlay In-Reply-To: <4117C69C.60901@udata.com> References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> <4117C69C.60901@udata.com> Message-ID: >PSS Mike, you let me forget something, correct?????????????????????? Leroy, Now I'm worried! I don't remember what I wasn't supposed to let you forget! Lincoln and I had a great time at the Findlay show. For you list folks who are looking for a GREAT medium sized show with a wide variety of engines, good food, big flea market/vendor area and fantastically friendly folks, put the Findaly show on your calenders next year! It's a great warm-up for Portland and you will not be disappointed. See ya', Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 9 12:32:40 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay In-Reply-To: References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> <4117C69C.60901@udata.com> Message-ID: Hi Folks, I'll endorse what Mike says here. This was my 5th or 6th year at Findlay. After the first show it became a "must do" for me. And for "engine folks" while Findlay is a "medium sized" show in terms of numbers, it's a real premium show in terms of variety and the number of really rare engines. The food is EXCELLENT (but do not let Leroy talk you into the shreaded pigeon) and they provide free gas to exhibitors!! They even had a half-breed powered tractor!! http://www.oldengine.org/members/benc/04findlay/fin4004f.jpg (Thanks for the pic Ben!) Just one word of warning.... Don't miss the first call for the roast corn!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Michael Tucker wrote: > Lincoln and I had a great time at the Findlay show. For you list > folks who are looking for a GREAT medium sized show with a wide > variety of engines, good food, big flea market/vendor area and > fantastically friendly folks, put the Findaly show on your calenders > next year! It's a great warm-up for Portland and you will not be > disappointed. From mtucker at uky.edu Mon Aug 9 12:50:06 2004 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:50:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay In-Reply-To: References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> <4117C69C.60901@udata.com> Message-ID: >They even had a half-breed powered tractor!! >http://www.oldengine.org/members/benc/04findlay/fin4004f.jpg That critter was a HUGE hit with both the spectators and exhibitors. Lincoln decided that it should be called a half-bred-half-breed! See ya', Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Aug 9 12:14:41 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:14:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Camping.... References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com><200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> <4117C69C.60901@udata.com> Message-ID: <000001c47e56$5fceeba0$b144e5d8@3rbys01> Leroy, I trust that you got my note telling you that we will not be there after all this year. We'll shoot for next year. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy C." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 1:46 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland Camping.... > Ok, now it will be just one week before I head off to the promised land. > What I need is a better count for the camping area... If you have been > included in the past and now want to do something stupid and NOT go I > would like to know this also! I have about 12 at this time, but that > number includes a spot for my friend from Kansas that does not have a > putter and a spot for a friend of Dave's. Please let me know by this > Thursday and I will write you to confirm. Also we can keep this off list > so Bambi and Nitro do not read how busy they might be..... > PS Dave, Brutis said you do not get a refund from Findlay and he > hopes the shots work out ok for you > PSS Mike, you let me forget something, correct?????????????????????? > PSSS Arnie remember "BIG > BUTT"................................................ > PSSSS Ben, how did you marry such a young woman? and give her my phone > number if something happens to you > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 9 14:35:09 2004 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 21:35:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Dinner/Auction Message-ID: Hi Dave Put me down for reservations for three for the dinner. Dad, me and my son Brian will be arriving late Wed or early Thursday morning. I just sent a letter to Leroy and reserved a spot in the low rent camping. Also if you can set us aside a small corner to stick a couple engines in the display area that would be good too. I looked at the web site and the feature is Wisconsin built engines so you should have a section for Wisconsin built engineers. I'll see what I can find for the auction in the meantime. See ya Ed Herreid ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Dave Rotigel" Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: [SEL] Portland Dinner/Auction Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:29:05 -0400 Hi All, Only about 60 people have contacted me to say that they will be at the Portland dinner and auction on Thursday August 26th at 6:00 pm in Ducatur (23 miles north of Portland.) I need to give Ellen a "final estimate" before too long. If you plan to attend, but have not let me know thus far, please do so by contacting me at: rotigel at alltel.net Thanks, and sure hope to see you at Portland! Dave PS, Think about what you might want to bring to donate to the ATIS Charity Auction! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Aug 9 15:53:19 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:53:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Webster Mag Date References: <01ba01c47e21$ad8631d0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <004c01c47e63$aafa02b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Alec, The Webster Tri-Polar started in 1913 according to my book. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alec Stevens" To: Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: [SEL] Webster Mag Date When was the 1st Webster Mag made and put in use on an engine????????????? Tks Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Mon Aug 9 16:59:16 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 18:59:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? Message-ID: <000801c47e6c$e1ca0f20$34690b42@gnarmstrong> Ted, The best of wishes to you. I just read an article on using fly maggots to cleanse a wound that failed to heal. Performed by a Dr. and an ancient remedy. It may be worth investigating. We'll miss seeing you at Portland. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Ted Brookover To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Monday, August 09, 2004 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? >Hi All, just a word to let everyone know that Jennifer and I will not be >making the trip to Portland this year. > >I have been confined to a wheel chair for the past 30 days due to a diabetic >wound on a foot that has refused to heal since the first of April. > >That however is not the straw that broke the camels back, Jen's mother >Garnett (71) has been the sole caregiver to Jen's father Bill (89) for the >past 15 years. Bill has congestive heart failure and a host of other ills >that have made him bed ridden, > >July 20th Garnett suffered a stoke and is paralyzed on her left side. > >This means that Jennifer is now the main caregiver for all three of us, and >works a 50 plus hours work week at her job. > >So, maybe next time, Have fun ! > >PS, a couple of you are expecting deliveries from me there, I am looking for >rides for them , but if that fails we will have to fall back on the mail or >what ever. > >Ted Brookover >4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. >Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 >816-763-3142 >ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, >http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ >Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > >This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Arnie Fero" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 10:11 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? > > >> Hell Reg, >> >> Not only will we be talking about you, we're gonna charge all our beer to >> your credit card and use your name with the bail bondsman!! Remember >> after that little "incident" with the twins last year he said you were his >> BEST customer and that he was gonna open an account just for YOUR >> business!! >> >> I'll try my best to deliver "Reggie cuddles" to the Ladies of the SEL. >> But it just won't be the same.... >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, George & Norma Armstrong wrote: >> >> > Portland will miss you this year as well Reg. I'm confident your >absence >> > will be spoken of during the show. Geo. >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Reg & Margaret Ingold >> > >> > >Aw Gee! Will ya leave off talkin about Portland. >> > > I CANT SLEEP AT NIGHT!!!!!!!! >> > >Reg & Marg Ingold. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From anmlcrkr at insightbb.com Mon Aug 9 17:41:30 2004 From: anmlcrkr at insightbb.com (Larry Brandon) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:41:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anyone into old lawn mowers? Message-ID: E & E Monograms StationeryInteresting mower on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4708&item=3832667616& rd=1 Larry Brandon E & E Monograms (ASI 184907) 25070 Indian Ridge Road Sterling, IL 61081 630-886-2790 815-625-4834 815-625-4907 fax From solarrog at pacbell.net Mon Aug 9 18:08:00 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 18:08:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Anyone into old lawn mowers? References: Message-ID: <03fa01c47e76$7dc94680$4af5c13f@pacbell.net> That is a great old mower, but he will not ship it. I do not think im ready to drive 6400 miles there and back to pick it up. darn darn darn. Roger DiRuscio, The Realty Experts. Sales since 1977 contact 510-226-9785 Fremont,Ca 94539 Collector restorer of antique marine engines, Motorscooters, Micro cars private pilot 1981, Ham radio KG6QKZ Volunteer Cert-Comm member, Fremont Fire department. web site--- scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Brandon" To: "Sel at Lists. Stationary-Engine. Com" Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 5:41 PM Subject: [SEL] Anyone into old lawn mowers? > E & E Monograms StationeryInteresting mower on ebay > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4708&item=3832667616& > rd=1 > > > > > > Larry Brandon > > E & E Monograms (ASI 184907) > > 25070 Indian Ridge Road > > Sterling, IL 61081 > > 630-886-2790 > > 815-625-4834 > > 815-625-4907 fax > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Aug 9 18:08:15 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:08:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Message-ID: <20040809.213533.508.7.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Dave, My list says 1918 1st. engine = # 289163 1919 1st. engine = # 361037 Probably mid year 1918. Best I can do. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:14:46 -0700 "Dave Ernst" writes: > What year is a Fairbanks Z, 3 hp with a serial number of 33,588? > I just acquired it. It has an ignitor, but I don't see any > provisions for a mag. Would it be coil & battery operated? > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rexhinz at chorus.net Mon Aug 9 18:55:22 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:55:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? References: <000801c47e6c$e1ca0f20$34690b42@gnarmstrong> Message-ID: <001301c47e7d$19e16470$1886a5d8@mycomputer> Ted ; we've never met but I know how much you have done for this hobby and others , I been on your website ,heard people talk about you at all the shows I've been to in wisconsin , I just want to wish you and your family all to get well very soon , and get back on your feet so I may meet you in person and thank you for all you have accomplished , It takes a very special person with lots of drive and will to do what you have done , Get Well Ted ! we need you ! Rex Hinz > -----Original Message----- > From: Ted Brookover > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: Monday, August 09, 2004 12:07 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? > > > >Hi All, just a word to let everyone know that Jennifer and I will not be > >making the trip to Portland this year. > > > >I have been confined to a wheel chair for the past 30 days due to a > diabetic > >wound on a foot that has refused to heal since the first of April. > > > >That however is not the straw that broke the camels back, Jen's mother > >Garnett (71) has been the sole caregiver to Jen's father Bill (89) for the > >past 15 years. Bill has congestive heart failure and a host of other ills > >that have made him bed ridden, > > > >July 20th Garnett suffered a stoke and is paralyzed on her left side. > > > >This means that Jennifer is now the main caregiver for all three of us, and > >works a 50 plus hours work week at her job. > > > >So, maybe next time, Have fun ! > > > >PS, a couple of you are expecting deliveries from me there, I am looking > for > >rides for them , but if that fails we will have to fall back on the mail or > >what ever. > > > >Ted Brookover > >4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > >Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > >816-763-3142 > >ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > >Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > > >This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Arnie Fero" > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 10:11 PM > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? > > > > > >> Hell Reg, > >> > >> Not only will we be talking about you, we're gonna charge all our beer to > >> your credit card and use your name with the bail bondsman!! Remember > >> after that little "incident" with the twins last year he said you were > his > >> BEST customer and that he was gonna open an account just for YOUR > >> business!! > >> > >> I'll try my best to deliver "Reggie cuddles" to the Ladies of the SEL. > >> But it just won't be the same.... > >> > >> See ya, Arnie > >> > >> On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > >> > >> > Portland will miss you this year as well Reg. I'm confident your > >absence > >> > will be spoken of during the show. Geo. > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Reg & Margaret Ingold > >> > > >> > >Aw Gee! Will ya leave off talkin about Portland. > >> > > I CANT SLEEP AT NIGHT!!!!!!!! > >> > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From oldengin at udata.com Mon Aug 9 19:17:21 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 22:17:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay In-Reply-To: References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> <4117C69C.60901@udata.com> Message-ID: <41183031.6020906@udata.com> Gday Next year feature is john deere. BUT I was offered a chunk of real estate to try and fill with sel members and hope I can get it done. After all how often is it you can sit next to a river and listen to the bull frogs while listening to your, or Arnie's, engins? course maybe that is just Arnie sleeping!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have witnesses Arnie -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From canuckiron at wightman.ca Mon Aug 9 22:31:51 2004 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 22:31:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Boone show pictures are up. References: <200408070739.i777dwIo050196@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <41185DC6.24B84EEF@wightman.ca> I have seen those carbs on a couple of other engines as well. Duncan Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > Hi Curt, > I am not sure what the connection between the early Massey-Harris > engines (which came from the purchase of the Deyo-Macey Engine Co.) but > there must be something as the carbys are very similar. > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > > Patrick, > Thanks for the info. Will correct this on the web page. Was the mixer on > the MH the same mixer as the Old's? The opening of the mixer is sure a > dead ringer for the Old's.... > Curt > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Duncan and Sandy Denman Ayton, Ontario, Canada Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca Visit our Home Page at: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry From ELIDAS at aol.com Mon Aug 9 20:07:22 2004 From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:07:22 EDT Subject: [SEL] Anyone into old lawn mowers? Message-ID: <67.30134cf1.2e4995ea@aol.com> This mower is going to be a little rich for me. This IS a significant mower. At first glance it looks like a Coldwell "L". It is not. This mower was made by F&J before ( and possibly during) the time Coldwell was making the "L". Coldwell did use the basic power unit from 23-28. The actual mower is different. I have only seen two other mowers like this while I have seen around twenty of the Coldwell units. I have heard it said that Coldwell started making their own engines in response to F&J making this mower. Even though F&J had been making it since at least 1917. Coldwell used Fuller engines on several models. If you have a Fuller "N" with a cog on both sides it may have come off a Coldwell. The loss of Coldwell's business during this period could not have helped. Mike Semanoff Waterbury,Ct From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Aug 9 16:16:22 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:16:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Internationally (In)famous? Message-ID: <005301c47e66$e2a14400$0f856ad5@zen> I have just received an E Mail from a Chelmsford MA collector who wished to contact a Danish friend of mine. He had read an article in the English Stationary engine magazine that I wrote in 1999 about Jens restoring an early MAN Diesel engine. Jens died shortly afterwards. When I asked how he had found how to contact me as I had changed my address, he said he was at a show near Massachusetts & asked if anyone had my E Mail. He said someone gave him my correct address. As I have never been anywhere near the USA this must rate me as Infamous. 8^) Taking the subject seriously Look at the following posts. http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/nordjysk/profile.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/jens%201s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/jens2s.jpg It seems that some (so called) friends of Jens who were part of the management commitee arranged for a fleet of large vehicles with lifting equipment to go to the museum that Jens had spent a large portion of his life starting up. They smashed the door & removed the majority of the exhibits, most of which no-one knows where they are. The MAN diesel is still there as it was too large to stea, (Pardon me I mistyped the previous 4 characters) remove. The reproduction room had been destroyed. I am not in the country but as Jens was one of my best friends I am totally devastated at what has happened. I cannot pass on what I have heard as to names Etc as legal proceedings may follow. I hope I never have to post anything like this again. Dave Croft Warrington England From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 9 21:41:54 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:41:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Webster Mag Date References: <01ba01c47e21$ad8631d0$0301a8c0@ALEC> <004c01c47e63$aafa02b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <004801c47e94$5cd29260$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Actually 1911 is more like it, bass framed ones were advertized in Gas Power in mid to late 1911 Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Webster Mag Date > Alec, > > The Webster Tri-Polar started in 1913 according to my book. > > Jeff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alec Stevens" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 9:00 AM > Subject: [SEL] Webster Mag Date > > > When was the 1st Webster Mag made and put in use on an engine????????????? > Tks > > Alec J. Stevens > Investment Specialist > 80 Leighton Road, Suite C > Falmouth, ME 04105 > (800)842-6669 > (207)797-5169 > (207)797-2819 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon Aug 9 22:05:55 2004 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:05:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ignitor Message-ID: <003401c47e97$bb736580$53baa4cb@fred> Hi All, Can someone give me a web address for Ignitor sales & repairs, I have a 1hp. Mogul that needs new Ignitor. Thanks. Brian in Melbourne From segray at mlode.com Mon Aug 9 22:10:58 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 22:10:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) Message-ID: <411858E2.4040303@mlode.com> Hi All - After some Ebay time and money spent, and about a weeks worth of construction, after 8 years, the display trailer is complete. The newest addition is the rear street light that I acquired from Mena Arkansas and is mounted on a "portable power pole". Also, I had to swap out the Petter vertical with the old faithful Ottawa. I've run the Petter as I bought it (mistake!) and it's since developed some fairly (un)healthy problems, like seizing. I finally took some decent pictures of the whole thing to go on the web site, but I was gently prodded into showin' 'em here first. I think I've got views of everything. I have noticed on Netscape, that not all the picture are initially displayed at full size, so check to see if they're at 100% or not. Happy viewing. http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com From jenkins.frames at juno.com Mon Aug 9 21:26:17 2004 From: jenkins.frames at juno.com (Arthur r Jenkins) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:26:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] a favor Message-ID: <20040810.003912.-1384691.46.jenkins.frames@juno.com> Hello List I have a favor to ask, I have a friend that has moved from Michigan to Concord California. What I would like to ask if there is anyone on the list that could suggest places to go and things to do that sort of thing. Shows, events, even good local restraunts and such would be appreciated. Whatever seemes appropiate. Please reply to beckf4 at excite.com Thanks in advance Arthur ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 9 22:45:25 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 22:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Webster Mag Date In-Reply-To: <004801c47e94$5cd29260$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <20040810054525.5987.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Ted, I hope you are on the mend and up and around again soon. You have been pretty quiet lately, which is understandable, and I have missed your wit and wisdom. So, great magneto guru, let me ask you a few questions: About when did Webster move to Racine from Tiffin, Ohio? Any idea how come? Who was Podelsak and what were his patents? Those are questions I have always wondered about but never knew the answers to. If anyone knows, it's you. I love webster mags, they are pretty darned reliable and they are a good looking piece of engineering. Thanks, and take care! Joe --- Ted Brookover wrote: > Actually 1911 is more like it, bass framed ones were advertized in Gas > Power > in mid to late 1911 > ===== Joe Prindle Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: www.tznet.com/jprindle Our Club: www.badgersteamandgas.com See Yoo in Baraboo! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From solarrog at pacbell.net Mon Aug 9 23:36:15 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:36:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) References: <411858E2.4040303@mlode.com> Message-ID: <0a2c01c47ea4$5665b960$c9f3af40@solar> Great pictures thanks for posting them Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 10:10 PM Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) > Hi All - > > After some Ebay time and money spent, and about a weeks worth of > construction, after 8 years, the display trailer is complete. The newest > addition is the rear street light that I acquired from Mena Arkansas and > is mounted on a "portable power pole". Also, I had to swap out the > Petter vertical with the old faithful Ottawa. I've run the Petter as I > bought it (mistake!) and it's since developed some fairly (un)healthy > problems, like seizing. I finally took some decent pictures of the whole > thing to go on the web site, but I was gently prodded into showin' 'em > here first. I think I've got views of everything. I have noticed on > Netscape, that not all the picture are initially displayed at full size, > so check to see if they're at 100% or not. Happy viewing. > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot > > - Steve > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sel at antique-engine.com Tue Aug 10 02:28:09 2004 From: sel at antique-engine.com (Craig Prucha) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 02:28:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) In-Reply-To: <411858E2.4040303@mlode.com> References: <411858E2.4040303@mlode.com> Message-ID: <1092130089.411895297ef65@login.kupio.lunarpages.com> Hi Steve, Great display! As usual you have done a first class job. Man what a lot of work! What did you use for the floor of the trailer, both for the trailer decking and then the top covering? It looks like from the photos your all set in case of an emergency too. You can make electricity, pump water, make air, and see what you are doing. Thanks for sharing the photos. See ya, Craig... Quoting Steve Gray : > Hi All - > > After some Ebay time and money spent, and about a weeks worth of > construction, after 8 years, the display trailer is complete. The newest > addition is the rear street light that I acquired from Mena Arkansas and > is mounted on a "portable power pole". Also, I had to swap out the > Petter vertical with the old faithful Ottawa. I've run the Petter as I > bought it (mistake!) and it's since developed some fairly (un)healthy > problems, like seizing. I finally took some decent pictures of the whole > thing to go on the web site, but I was gently prodded into showin' 'em > here first. I think I've got views of everything. I have noticed on > Netscape, that not all the picture are initially displayed at full size, > so check to see if they're at 100% or not. Happy viewing. > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot > > - Steve From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Aug 10 03:09:09 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:09:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron #5 In-Reply-To: <4113098F.5040906@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <200408101009.i7AA91oQ087592@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> What a fantastic project. You have done a great job on a rare engine Tommy. It is inspiring to see such a big project turn out so well. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- It was an enjoyable project but I don't know that I will ever tackle something this massive again. I want to again that Jerry Toews for his generosity. I will be bringing his original engine to Portland to deliver. Hope I haven't been too long winded. I had someone ask me a few weeks ago how the project was going and I told them I would post photos and info when I got a chance. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Aug 10 03:33:48 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:33:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ignitor References: <003401c47e97$bb736580$53baa4cb@fred> Message-ID: <013b01c47ec6$f40c7ce0$7b0d1bd3@athlon> Brookover, Ted E-mail Address(es): ignitors at sbcglobal.net Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 3:05 PM Subject: [SEL] Ignitor > Hi All, > Can someone give me a web address for Ignitor sales & repairs, I have a 1hp. > Mogul that needs new Ignitor. > Thanks. > Brian in Melbourne > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at keyconn.net Wed Aug 11 08:37:25 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:37:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? In-Reply-To: <000801c47e6c$e1ca0f20$34690b42@gnarmstrong> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20040811072845.00b87408@mail.keyconn.net> Ted i am sure that in your area some where there is a hospital that has a oxygen hippervaric unit[spelling most likely wrong].Some thing like divers are put in to decompress i have seen people with sores like you have said that they heal. The foot or leg is put in and sealed then almost pure oxygen is pumped in under pressure. It causes the area to absorb more oxygen to the affected area and promotes healing very fast days instead of weeks. i have done a little reading on the maggot treatment also and it is a big help. get well soon R Fink PA At 06:59 PM 8/9/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Ted, > The best of wishes to you. I just read an article on using fly maggots to >cleanse a wound that failed to heal. Performed by a Dr. and an ancient >remedy. It may be worth investigating. We'll miss seeing you at Portland. >Geo. >-----Original Message----- >From: Ted Brookover >To: The SEL email discussion list >Date: Monday, August 09, 2004 12:07 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? > > > >Hi All, just a word to let everyone know that Jennifer and I will not be > >making the trip to Portland this year. > > > >I have been confined to a wheel chair for the past 30 days due to a >diabetic > >wound on a foot that has refused to heal since the first of April. > > > >That however is not the straw that broke the camels back, Jen's mother > >Garnett (71) has been the sole caregiver to Jen's father Bill (89) for the > >past 15 years. Bill has congestive heart failure and a host of other ills > >that have made him bed ridden, > > > >July 20th Garnett suffered a stoke and is paralyzed on her left side. > > > >This means that Jennifer is now the main caregiver for all three of us, and > >works a 50 plus hours work week at her job. > > > >So, maybe next time, Have fun ! > > > >PS, a couple of you are expecting deliveries from me there, I am looking >for > >rides for them , but if that fails we will have to fall back on the mail or > >what ever. > > > >Ted Brookover > >4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > >Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > >816-763-3142 > >ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > >Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > > >This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Arnie Fero" > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 10:11 PM > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? > > > > > >> Hell Reg, > >> > >> Not only will we be talking about you, we're gonna charge all our beer to > >> your credit card and use your name with the bail bondsman!! Remember > >> after that little "incident" with the twins last year he said you were >his > >> BEST customer and that he was gonna open an account just for YOUR > >> business!! > >> > >> I'll try my best to deliver "Reggie cuddles" to the Ladies of the SEL. > >> But it just won't be the same.... > >> > >> See ya, Arnie > >> > >> On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > >> > >> > Portland will miss you this year as well Reg. I'm confident your > >absence > >> > will be spoken of during the show. Geo. > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Reg & Margaret Ingold > >> > > >> > >Aw Gee! Will ya leave off talkin about Portland. > >> > > I CANT SLEEP AT NIGHT!!!!!!!! > >> > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 10 04:41:44 2004 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 04:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) In-Reply-To: <411858E2.4040303@mlode.com> Message-ID: <20040810114144.55871.qmail@web14101.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Steve, That is one beautiful display. Un believable amount of work and TLC. Thanks for the Pics. Ron Steve Gray wrote: Hi All - After some Ebay time and money spent, and about a weeks worth of construction, after 8 years, the display trailer is complete. The newest addition is the rear street light that I acquired from Mena Arkansas and is mounted on a "portable power pole". Also, I had to swap out the Petter vertical with the old faithful Ottawa. I've run the Petter as I bought it (mistake!) and it's since developed some fairly (un)healthy problems, like seizing. I finally took some decent pictures of the whole thing to go on the web site, but I was gently prodded into showin' 'em here first. I think I've got views of everything. I have noticed on Netscape, that not all the picture are initially displayed at full size, so check to see if they're at 100% or not. Happy viewing. http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 10 04:28:57 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay In-Reply-To: <41183031.6020906@udata.com> References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> <4117C69C.60901@udata.com> <41183031.6020906@udata.com> Message-ID: And pictures no doubt.... On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Leroy C. wrote: > After all how often is it you can sit next to a river and listen to the > bull frogs while listening to your, or Arnie's, engins? course maybe > that is just Arnie sleeping!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I > have witnesses Arnie From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 10 04:43:08 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Events - Beer Tasting In-Reply-To: <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Hi Spencer, The annual International Beer & Crisps Tasting will take place on Friday August 27th starting at 7:00 pm (local time) and ending when the beer is gone or everyone has been arrested (whichever comes first). The location will be the same as last year; Minneapolis-Moline Drive next to the Red River (AKA "The Low Rent District"). What IS it with Leroy and these damn rivers??? Everyone attending is asked to bring: - Coolers with beer for tasting (the "good" stuff, not Bud Lite) - Crisps for tasting (since there will be few Brits, think chips) - Chairs for sitting - Stories for telling - Songs for singing (musical instruments are optional) When folks get hungry, we'll collect for and order pizza (delivered). Any questions, just ask.... I'll be the HMFIC. Unless there's a problem, then Leroy's in charge. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com PS - Yes, the FATGs are welcome to attend. Just bring beer... On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Spencer Yost wrote: > Dates and times of gatherings, events, etc. I am putting together a > schedule of events for Portland and would like everyone that has something > planned for the Portland show please let me know. For example, if the > engine folks could let me know about the beer tasting or George Willer et > al, if you could let me know about any camping times or dates that might be > helpful on a schedule, etc. From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 10 04:48:29 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Events - SEL Group Photo In-Reply-To: <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Hi Spencer, Even though this process is like herding cats, we'd like to try for group photos at High Noon (local time) in the SEL area on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. PLEASE try to be there..... The "focal point engine" for the gathering will be announced. Historically it's been the biggest & boldest engine in the SEL area. Think Dave Rotigel's 16 hp Galloway or Jim Yost's Reid. You get the idea... See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com PS - Yeah, the FATGs are welcome to attend THIS event too. 8-)) On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Spencer Yost wrote: > Dates and times of gatherings, events, etc. I am putting together a > schedule of events for Portland and would like everyone that has something > planned for the Portland show please let me know. From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 10 05:19:08 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:19:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Webster Mag Date References: <20040810054525.5987.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002401c47ed4$3d188480$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Hi Joe, good questions, unfortunately the answers are somewhat suspect. The best information available is in Doc Schuster's book, "The Webster System", where he states that Emil Podlesak was the superintendent of the Webster Electric Co. prior to 1913 while the company was located in Tiffin, OH. Dr. Schuster also states that the move to Racine was brought about by an eviction and a flood in Ohio, in 1913. These two pieces of information are interesting, unfortunately in the next paragraph or two he gives the impression that, 1. the change to Horseshoe Magnets (AKA the birth of the Tri-Polar) came in or after 1913 and, 2. that the brass frames were used till the WW I era (1914 to 1918 depending on your location), since both of these have long since been shown to be false by evidence from the period, I am forced to be suspect of the first two. First evidence of the Tri-Polar as I have said, shows up in magazines of late 1911 and it has been my experience that brass frames were abandoned for die cast Zinc sometime prior to 1914, as evidenced by picture in these same magazines. Someone that has seen as many Websters as I have can spot the Brass frames from the Zinc frames by the shape of the casting. PS, thanks for the kind words from you and everyone else on the list. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Prindle" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 12:45 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Webster Mag Date > Hi Ted, > I hope you are on the mend and up and around again soon. You have been > pretty quiet lately, which is understandable, and I have missed your wit > and wisdom. > So, great magneto guru, let me ask you a few questions: > About when did Webster move to Racine from Tiffin, Ohio? Any idea how > come? Who was Podelsak and what were his patents? > Those are questions I have always wondered about but never knew the > answers to. If anyone knows, it's you. I love webster mags, they are > pretty darned reliable and they are a good looking piece of engineering. > Thanks, and take care! > Joe > --- Ted Brookover wrote: > > Actually 1911 is more like it, bass framed ones were advertized in Gas > > Power > > in mid to late 1911 > > > > > ===== > Joe Prindle > Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist > See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: > www.tznet.com/jprindle > Our Club: > www.badgersteamandgas.com > See Yoo in Baraboo! > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Tue Aug 10 06:04:28 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:04:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Webster Mag Date References: <01ba01c47e21$ad8631d0$0301a8c0@ALEC> <004c01c47e63$aafa02b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <003301c47eda$919be5a0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Jeff, thanks, I am trying to figure out how some of the early Int. engines had websters before that date and they appear to be original from the factory ??? If anyone can verify that , that would be great. Tks Again Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Webster Mag Date > Alec, > > The Webster Tri-Polar started in 1913 according to my book. > > Jeff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alec Stevens" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 9:00 AM > Subject: [SEL] Webster Mag Date > > > When was the 1st Webster Mag made and put in use on an engine????????????? > Tks > > Alec J. Stevens > Investment Specialist > 80 Leighton Road, Suite C > Falmouth, ME 04105 > (800)842-6669 > (207)797-5169 > (207)797-2819 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 10 05:57:06 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Anyone into old lawn mowers? In-Reply-To: <03fa01c47e76$7dc94680$4af5c13f@pacbell.net> References: <03fa01c47e76$7dc94680$4af5c13f@pacbell.net> Message-ID: Hi Roger, If it would help, I could collect the mower and drag it to Portland for you. You've always planned on going to Portland, maybe this is the year? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Roger DiRuscio wrote: > That is a great old mower, but he will not ship it. I do not think im ready > to drive 6400 miles there and back to pick it up. darn darn darn. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Interesting mower on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4708&item=3832667616&rd=1 From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Aug 10 06:21:26 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:21:26 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Nordhorn, Germany 2004 Message-ID: <000701c47edc$f0c5db60$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hey All, Attended the Nordhorn, Germany "Field Days" this past weekend. This years featuring tractor was Deutz - Fahr. 1557 items on display of which more then 1000 tractors. Alas not that many engines, but enough to see and to talk engines in general. The weather was hot in the 88th and of course alot of beer and bratwurst ( German like). The pictures can be seen at: From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Aug 10 06:26:34 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:26:34 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Nordhorn, Germany 2004 Message-ID: <001a01c47edd$a7d2f8b0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Ooops, hit the wrong button :o( Here is the Url: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/nordhorn2004.htm Enjoy, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Aug 10 06:33:33 2004 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:33:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Findlay Message-ID: This year I will be in a Motel with sweet thing but my brother is going to stake his claim in the low rent district by the red river. SO ..... if ya hear snoring this year we'll know the true story of which brother is the noisemaker. I nominate Sheila to do the inquiry since she will also be searching the tent for singlemalt in the wee hours after the international tasting event! See ya there, Steve >From: "Leroy C." >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Findlay >Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 22:17:21 -0400 > >Gday > Next year feature is john deere. BUT I was offered a chunk of real >estate to try and fill with sel members and hope I can get it done. After >all how often is it you can sit next to a river and listen to the bull >frogs while listening to your, or Arnie's, engins? course maybe that is >just Arnie sleeping!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have >witnesses Arnie > >-- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > >"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > >better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From kerogas at the-i.net Tue Aug 10 07:01:53 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:01:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pin Hole In The Hopper References: <003901c47c02$366f9e40$5486a5d8@mycomputer><002001c47c0a$ee05ef20$07905841@oemcomputer> <000b01c47d52$1e2fdce0$1a86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <003401c47ee2$9b835280$07905841@oemcomputer> I want to show it at the Badger show > in Baraboo Wi. in a couple weeks Do not take it for granted that it is so close to you . Damn that smarts From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 10 06:55:47 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: The Bad Brother In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Steve, Should we plan on taking pictures? 8->> See ya, Arnie On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Steve Royster wrote: > This year I will be in a Motel with sweet thing but my brother is going to > stake his claim in the low rent district by the red river. SO ..... if ya > hear snoring this year we'll know the true story of which brother is the > noisemaker. I nominate Sheila to do the inquiry since she will also be > searching the tent for singlemalt in the wee hours after the international > tasting event! See ya there, Steve From yostsw at atis.net Tue Aug 10 08:03:14 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:03:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Events References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221509200250.154218A2@192.168.2.200> <200406221514450296.15470E59@192.168.2.200> <200406231816100593.1B13A373@192.168.2.200> <200406241145380078.1ED4722F@192.168.2.200> <200406241734500359.201437E1@192.168.2.200> <200407061438370953.14B4E57A@192.168.2.200> <200407092231060171.026123B2@192.168.2.200> <200407191134280218.038A5E84@192.168.2.200> <200407222152040656.1183F39A@192.168.2.200> <200407231622570453.157CFE16@192.168.2.200> <200407231757210109.002E2606@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200407270832090468.03C195F4@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200408101103140828.0C00D34F@heavyiron.atis.net> The following is a link to the schedule of events I have drawn up. Please mail me directly at yostsw at atis.net with any changes, additions, comments, etc. http://www.atis.net/Portland.html Thanks Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 10 08:21:39 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:21:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: The Bad Brother References: Message-ID: <4118E803.1010604@imc-group.com> Arnie, Golden opportunity here..... compromising photos vs. oil and engine tycoon. Correctly planned blackmail scheme and you (we) could net some very nice engines. Curt H P.S. Shhh.....let's keep this plan quiet so as not to tip Mike off. Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Steve, > >Should we plan on taking pictures? 8->> > >See ya, Arnie > >On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Steve Royster wrote: > > > >>I nominate Sheila to do the inquiry since she will also be >>searching the tent for singlemalt in the wee hours after the international >>tasting event! See ya there, Steve >> >> From solarrog at pacbell.net Tue Aug 10 08:37:45 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:37:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Anyone into old lawn mowers? References: <03fa01c47e76$7dc94680$4af5c13f@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <00f401c47eef$fbdacac0$7cf1af40@solar> Thanks for the offer Arnie. Im sure that would knock at least 400 miles off the trip. The heck of it is I just bought a diesel van that sitting in Pittsburg, Pa right now and its being shipped to me this week, but the shippers will not allow the inside to be loaded with stuff. They cant trust the drivers to leave things alone. darn, darn, darn. Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 5:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Anyone into old lawn mowers? > Hi Roger, > > If it would help, I could collect the mower and drag it to Portland for > you. You've always planned on going to Portland, maybe this is the year? > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Roger DiRuscio wrote: > > > That is a great old mower, but he will not ship it. I do not think im ready > > to drive 6400 miles there and back to pick it up. darn darn darn. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > Interesting mower on ebay > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4708&item=3832667616&rd=1 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Aug 10 00:27:51 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:27:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Camping.... References: <200406202159490609.0C6D22AA@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <200406221506420031.153FAE98@smtp-server.triad.rr.com><200408091112400000.06E3086D@heavyiron.atis.net> <4117C69C.60901@udata.com> <000001c47e56$5fceeba0$b144e5d8@3rbys01> Message-ID: <411878F7.BE1E848C@insulate.co.uk> Hi Gary I think we should ALL shoot for next year (those that can't make it this year, anyway). It is, after all, the 40th Portland. So all of you who've been promising yourselves a trip to Portland sometime, next year is that time - so get saving! Dolly Gary Epps wrote: > > I trust that you got my note telling you that we will not be there after all > this year. We'll shoot for next year. -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Aug 10 08:57:35 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:57:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) Message-ID: <20040810.085736.1080.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Steve. First class as usual, thanks for the pictures. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 22:10:58 -0700 Steve Gray writes: > Hi All - > > After some Ebay time and money spent, and about a weeks worth of > > construction, after 8 years, the display trailer is complete. The > newest > addition is the rear street light that I acquired from Mena Arkansas > and > is mounted on a "portable power pole". Also, I had to swap out the > Petter vertical with the old faithful Ottawa. I've run the Petter as > I > bought it (mistake!) and it's since developed some fairly > (un)healthy > problems, like seizing. I finally took some decent pictures of the > whole > thing to go on the web site, but I was gently prodded into showin' > 'em > here first. I think I've got views of everything. I have noticed on > > Netscape, that not all the picture are initially displayed at full > size, > so check to see if they're at 100% or not. Happy viewing. > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot > > - Steve > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Aug 10 09:04:04 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:04:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) References: <411858E2.4040303@mlode.com> Message-ID: Very NICE Steve! Looks like ya took your time and did it right. Thanks for posting the pix's!!!!!!!!! Take Care, RickinMt. http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot Steve From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 10 09:03:47 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland Super 8 - Room Available Message-ID: Hi Folks, Due to a minor change of plans, one of the list folks who had a room reserved at the Super 8 in Portland will be attending with fewer folks. So he has chosen to take a smaller room in Muncie and is offering the bigger room (in prime real estate) to fellow list folks. So here's the deal.... Its the Portland Super 8 (within walking distance of the showgrounds). The reservation is for a room with two double beds for 6 nights, Aug. 23-28, 2004. If anyone is interested, please contact me off-list. First come, first served. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 10 09:22:33 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:22:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nordhorn, Germany 2004 References: <000701c47edc$f0c5db60$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <4118F649.5000509@imc-group.com> John, On the McD mower what is the large cone shaped thing for? Does it require two operators? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC John Hammink wrote: >Hey All, > >Attended the Nordhorn, Germany "Field Days" this past >weekend. This years featuring tractor was Deutz - Fahr. >1557 items on display of which more then 1000 tractors. >Alas not that many engines, but enough to see and to talk >engines in general. The weather was hot in the 88th and >of course alot of beer and bratwurst ( German like). >The pictures can be seen at: > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From EnginePaul at aol.com Tue Aug 10 09:41:49 2004 From: EnginePaul at aol.com (EnginePaul at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:41:49 EDT Subject: [SEL] Concord Message-ID: <12e.488baa86.2e4a54cd@aol.com> It should take about ten minutes to find things to do. The entire Bay Area has things happening all the time; go on line or read a local paper. Paul in San Francisco From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 10 10:02:51 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] The Bad Brother In-Reply-To: <4118E803.1010604@imc-group.com> References: <4118E803.1010604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hiya Curt, Good plan! But I think we need additional bait to ensure success. And right to keep it off-list. Who knows what sort of shenanigans the Rapscallion Royster would be up to if he got wind of The Plan. See ya, Arnie On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Curt Holland wrote: > Golden opportunity here..... compromising photos vs. oil and engine > tycoon. Correctly planned blackmail scheme and you (we) could net some > very nice engines. > Curt H > P.S. Shhh.....let's keep this plan quiet so as not to tip Mike off. > > Arnie Fero wrote: > >Should we plan on taking pictures? 8->> > > > >On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Steve Royster wrote: > >>I nominate Sheila to do the inquiry since she will also be > >>searching the tent for singlemalt in the wee hours after the international > >>tasting event! See ya there, Steve From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 10 11:12:04 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Anyone into old lawn mowers? In-Reply-To: <00f401c47eef$fbdacac0$7cf1af40@solar> References: <03fa01c47e76$7dc94680$4af5c13f@pacbell.net> <00f401c47eef$fbdacac0$7cf1af40@solar> Message-ID: Hells bells Roger, opportunity is kicking your door down. Cancel the van shipping, win the eBay mower auction, get an El Cheapo one-way flight to Pittsburgh, I'll pick you up at the airport and drop you off at your van. Then you go and load your mower, and start off on one of George Best's Hell-On-Wheels engine viewing trips stopping in at Portland for a week. You would even have your Portland exhibit!! Who knows, you might even save money. Ya gotta think outside the box!! 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Roger DiRuscio wrote: > Thanks for the offer Arnie. Im sure that would knock at least 400 miles off > the trip. > The heck of it is I just bought a diesel van that sitting in Pittsburg, Pa > right now and its being shipped to me this week, but the shippers will not > allow the inside to be loaded with stuff. They cant trust the drivers to > leave things alone. darn, darn, darn. From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 10 12:02:18 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:02:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The Bad Brother References: <4118E803.1010604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <41191BBA.9000805@imc-group.com> Arnie, What kind of bait have you got in mind to tempt young Royster? Re bait? Jail bait? Master.....no I'm not going there! Curt P.S. Glad to hear your willing to keep this all off-list and quiet. Arnie Fero wrote: >Hiya Curt, > >Good plan! But I think we need additional bait to ensure success. > >And right to keep it off-list. Who knows what sort of shenanigans the >Rapscallion Royster would be up to if he got wind of The Plan. > > > From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Tue Aug 10 12:28:47 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:28:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ault, CO Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A701CFC36F@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >Take a look at: http://frapa.us/Photos/Ault/Ault.html >Small town festival with engines. The three Listers running were impressive. Also a Petter. The UK was >well represented at this show. Enjoy. >Regards, >Jeff Allen >Arvada, Colorado USA Thanks much for the pictures, Jeff. I gotta wonder if that's the same Dempster (#13, #16) that I was trying to salvage a couple years ago... Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Aug 10 12:30:47 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:30:47 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Nordhorn, Germany 2004 References: <000701c47edc$f0c5db60$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> <4118F649.5000509@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000501c47f10$89c219e0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Curt, In those days there were alot farmers with little pieces of land in that area and they couldn't afford bigger equipment. Mowing the harvest with mowers like this, one operated the horse and the other made bundels with the rake of the falling harvest. The cone forged the stalks to the clean side of the land, two or three people walked behind the mower and were making sheafs of the bundels, the last man (mostly women) sheave them for extra drying a copple of days. After well drying they collect them on a wagon and brought it home to thresh by hand or a collective hired threshing machine. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > John, > On the McD mower what is the large cone shaped thing for? Does it > require two operators? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Aug 10 13:53:31 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:53:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Briggs head gasket Message-ID: <20040810.135332.1080.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Does anyone have a spare head gasket for a Briggs and Stratton Model 14 hanging on the wall that they would be willing to part with? A friend just gave me one with a rock crusher attached, and the head gasket is blown. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA From jenkins.frames at juno.com Tue Aug 10 13:55:54 2004 From: jenkins.frames at juno.com (Arthur r Jenkins) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:55:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Concord Message-ID: <20040810.165718.-1384691.55.jenkins.frames@juno.com> Pau; Thanks for the information , I will pass it on Arthur On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:41:49 EDT EnginePaul at aol.com writes: > It should take about ten minutes to find things to do. The entire Bay > Area > has things happening all the time; go on line or read a local > paper. > Paul in San Francisco > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From ottawa at pa.net Tue Aug 10 18:02:47 2004 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:02:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) References: <411858E2.4040303@mlode.com> Message-ID: <009401c47f3e$eb77e6a0$4df1cd97@HONDESKTOP> Steve, Do like your "old faithful" description of the Ottawa! Sometimes we think they must be Cinderella's hateful step sisters! Looks fabulous! Helen George L. & Helen S. Myers The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Tel 717-536-3711 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 http://community.webshots.com/user/doitnowo ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Gray To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 1:10 AM Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) Hi All - After some Ebay time and money spent, and about a weeks worth of construction, after 8 years, the display trailer is complete. The newest addition is the rear street light that I acquired from Mena Arkansas and is mounted on a "portable power pole". Also, I had to swap out the Petter vertical with the old faithful Ottawa. I've run the Petter as I bought it (mistake!) and it's since developed some fairly (un)healthy problems, like seizing. I finally took some decent pictures of the whole thing to go on the web site, but I was gently prodded into showin' 'em here first. I think I've got views of everything. I have noticed on Netscape, that not all the picture are initially displayed at full size, so check to see if they're at 100% or not. Happy viewing. http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Aug 10 18:30:30 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:30:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs head gasket Message-ID: <20040810.213037.704.6.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Ron, If you don't get any response from the list, You might try this site of the Antique Small Engine Collectors Club. http://www.asecc.com/parts.html Good Luck - Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:53:31 -0700 rdhaskell at juno.com writes: > Hi all. > Does anyone have a spare head gasket for a Briggs and Stratton Model > 14 > hanging on the wall that they would be willing to part with? A > friend > just gave me one with a rock crusher attached, and the head gasket > is > blown. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Aug 10 18:57:07 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:57:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) References: <411858E2.4040303@mlode.com> Message-ID: <001501c47f46$82780b00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Fantastic display Steve. Hope to see it in person one day. Noticed a couple serpantine belts in use. You are the second one I know of that has used them for a display. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:10 PM Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) > Hi All - > > After some Ebay time and money spent, and about a weeks worth of > construction, after 8 years, the display trailer is complete. The newest > addition is the rear street light that I acquired from Mena Arkansas and > is mounted on a "portable power pole". Also, I had to swap out the > Petter vertical with the old faithful Ottawa. I've run the Petter as I > bought it (mistake!) and it's since developed some fairly (un)healthy > problems, like seizing. I finally took some decent pictures of the whole > thing to go on the web site, but I was gently prodded into showin' 'em > here first. I think I've got views of everything. I have noticed on > Netscape, that not all the picture are initially displayed at full size, > so check to see if they're at 100% or not. Happy viewing. > > http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshot > > - Steve > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 10 19:50:56 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Gotta Go Now...... Message-ID: <20040811025056.25152.qmail@web20222.mail.yahoo.com> And I don't mean to the restroom. The time has come for me to bid you all adieu for a few weeks. Things are starting to ramp up here, getting ready for our show at Baraboo, WI, to be held August 20, 21 & 22nd, so I will be going off the list for a few weeks. I will check my email one last time before the show on August 13th, and then I am going to be without email for the duration. Those who wish to contact me after that will need to call my home and leave a message, complete with area code, number and best time to call. The number is 715-424-0793. I have a cell phone but do not carry it with me when I am out of the truck, so leaving a message is the only way. I am looking forward to the show this year. We are hosting the National Convention of the Ford-Fordson Collectors and it looks like it going to be a good one. As always, we will have lots of good engines and tractors to see, the sheds will be open and big engines running and the boys will be sawing and threshing on and off all weekend. For the exhibitors who are thinking of coming, we have a nice wooded exhibit area so you can be in the shade. Our show is one of the larger ones around and this will be our 41st try at getting it right. Curt Andree is setting up a list area, so if you are coming and want to exhibit with fellow ferrites, let him know. We will rope off the grounds on the 15th, so let Curt know. This year we are honored to be joined by two of the list's more (in)famous characters, Arnie & Dr. Dave. If that doesn't help you make up your mind to come, nothing will. There will also be a number of other, more reserved, folks from the list there as well! It should really be a good time. So, friends, have fun, play safe, and "see yoo in Baraboo"! Joe www.badgersteamandgas.com ===== Joe Prindle Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: www.tznet.com/jprindle Our Club: www.badgersteamandgas.com See Yoo in Baraboo! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From segray at mlode.com Tue Aug 10 22:06:38 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:06:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) In-Reply-To: <1092130089.411895297ef65@login.kupio.lunarpages.com> References: <411858E2.4040303@mlode.com> <1092130089.411895297ef65@login.kupio.lunarpages.com> Message-ID: <4119A95E.3060008@mlode.com> Hi Folks - Many thanks to all for the many helpings of compliments. Makes the work worthwhile! To answer Craig's questions, as stated, I've been involved with this thing for nearly 9 years, the first several had it stored outside due to lack of space at the old property. Being originally a car trailer, it had the obligatory "pre warped" 2 x 10's over which I had put cheap 1/2" ply. The weather took care of that until I moved here to Sonora in 2000 when I had the barn built. Had a patch of dry rot about 2 FEET in diameter directly under the Lister twin! Around October '02, I field striped the entire unit down to the bare trailer frame and started back with new everything. The deck is fully primed & painted 2 x 8's, covered with fully painted 1/2" ACX ply screwed down every sq. foot. This was then covered with standard house linoleum flooring glued in place (having used the remnants for the shop bath, it now matches the trailer!). All the outer edges have the gold flooring trim strips. All the display items then had to be cleaned up and/or repainted. All the electrical is new since the generator was a new addition, and is fused for a total 6900 watt load. You'll notice the twist-lock outlet on the gen set. That gets a special 'pig tail' cord feeding my property during our many outages. ;-) Thanks again to all! - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Craig Prucha wrote: >Hi Steve, > >Great display! As usual you have done a first class job. Man what a lot of work! >What did you use for the floor of the trailer, both for the trailer decking and >then the top covering? It looks like from the photos your all set in case of an >emergency too. You can make electricity, pump water, make air, and see what you >are doing. Thanks for sharing the photos. See ya, Craig... > > >Quoting Steve Gray : > > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Aug 11 02:37:44 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:37:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] for Helen Message-ID: <01f701c47f86$de3866c0$6e111bd3@athlon> Helen, I am getting mail from me to you at helen.french1 at virgin.net>returned. ????????????????????????????/ Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From wara at ozemail.com.au Wed Aug 11 04:04:04 2004 From: wara at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:04:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron #5 References: <410D6860.90F98CCC@insulate.co.uk> <2AEB73D8-E41D-11D8-9735-00039352D07A@chartertn.net><410E8AD6.48D0B7F5@insulate.co.uk> <4113098F.5040906@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <001101c47f92$eb725d30$ce6854d2@Young1203> Hi Tommy, congratulations on the completion of a terrific engine project. I havent had a look at all the pics yet, but looking forward to some time to look at the rest of them. Michael Young ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 2:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron #5 > > Now its time to put it all together. As I mentioned, what was left of > the engine had a great deal of original paint. I didn't have time to do > a paint job on it so just to keep it from rusting (as new castings do) I > bought a couple of cans of satin black spray paint. The original color > on the engine was black. I did this just to keep the rust away. It > turned out well enough that I may just leave it as it is. > > The photo is poor as the lighting is bad. Here is a photo of the > complete engine assembled: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083036 > > Here's a shot of the working end of the sideshaft. You can see the > governor, fuel injector, intake, etc: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083039 > > Here's another shot. You can see the big exhaust valve box at the > bottom. Boy, was this a job to machine everything where it would line > up and fit. Mostly luck that it fit: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083040 > > The big exhaust valve box. Pretty unique how it works: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083041 > > A rear view of the engine. The paint on the flywheels and base is > original. I never cleaned the surface rust off the crank throw but 30 > minutes with some scotchbrite will take care of that: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083042 > > This is a repo tag I had made from the original: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083043 > > A side view of the engine: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083044 > > It was an enjoyable project but I don't know that I will ever tackle > something this massive again. I want to again that Jerry Toews for his > generosity. I will be bringing his original engine to Portland to deliver. > > Hope I haven't been too long winded. I had someone ask me a few weeks > ago how the project was going and I told them I would post photos and > info when I got a chance. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Aug 11 01:25:35 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:25:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) References: <411858E2.4040303@mlode.com><1092130089.411895297ef65@login.kupio.lunarpages.com> <4119A95E.3060008@mlode.com> Message-ID: <004601c47f7c$c6f2f520$0f856ad5@zen> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 6:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) > Hi Folks - > Many thanks to all for the many helpings of compliments. Makes the > work worthwhile! (snip) > Steve Gray Hi Steve, a real nice job! How about flying a small Union Jack under The Stars & Stripes to please the British part of the display. 8^) (They used to do that in the navy when they captured someones prize equipment) Dave Croft Warrington England From segray at mlode.com Wed Aug 11 08:34:43 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:34:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) In-Reply-To: <004601c47f7c$c6f2f520$0f856ad5@zen> References: <411858E2.4040303@mlode.com><1092130089.411895297ef65@login.kupio.lunarpages.com> <4119A95E.3060008@mlode.com> <004601c47f7c$c6f2f520$0f856ad5@zen> Message-ID: <411A3C93.3080709@mlode.com> Hi Dave - Actually, I've thought of that before, especially when the Petter was still part of the display making it an all Brit display. I haven't had much luck finding a Union Jack. Particularly true in this area where nearly everything has to be ordered! - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Dave Croft wrote: >Hi Steve, a real nice job! How about flying a small Union Jack under >The Stars & Stripes to please the British part of the display. 8^) >(They used to do that in the navy when they captured someone's prize equipment) >Dave Croft >Warrington >England > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From segray at mlode.com Wed Aug 11 08:44:56 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:44:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) In-Reply-To: <001501c47f46$82780b00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> References: <411858E2.4040303@mlode.com> <001501c47f46$82780b00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <411A3EF8.9000602@mlode.com> Hi Jeff - Yeah, the serpentines seem to work out real well, plus they're readily available. The one on the Myers pump is a perfect fit. The only thing I had to do there was fabricate the small diameter pulley on the motor. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Jeff Allen wrote: >Fantastic display Steve. Hope to see it in person one day. Noticed a couple >serpantine belts in use. You are the second one I know of that has used them >for a display. > >Jeff > > From weirgrant at hotmail.com Wed Aug 11 13:54:33 2004 From: weirgrant at hotmail.com (Grant Weir) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:54:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Message-ID: >From: "Dave Ernst" >Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:14:46 -0700 > >What year is a Fairbanks Z, 3 hp with a serial number of 33,588? >I just acquired it. It has an ignitor, but I don't see any provisions for a >mag. Would it be coil & battery operated? > >Dave Hi Dave, I have two of those engines. I looked them up and once and found that FM only made that engine from 1917-1919 so I guess that narrows it down a bit. Both engines have ignitors, but one uses cam gear driven Sumter magneto, and the other uses an ignitor bracket mounted Plugoscillator magneto. Yours sounds like the Plugoscillator style as those engines do not have magneto mounting lugs cast into the base like the other style does. I think those Plugoscillator mags must have been pretty crappy, because they tend to be hack-sawed off and tapped out for a spark plug more often than not. Does yours have the obligatory farmer-added "hacksaw blade screwed to a chunk of fir" spark coil contact off of the cam gear? :-) Here are some parts: http://www.hitnmiss.com/6.htm Grant Weir Saskatoon, SK. Canada _________________________________________________________________ Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special stationery, fonts and colors. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN? Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Aug 11 02:56:06 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:56:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Gotta Go Now...... References: <20040811025056.25152.qmail@web20222.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401c47feb$12426600$430d1bd3@athlon> Have a ball Joe. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From shop at cccomm.net Wed Aug 11 15:17:03 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:17:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks References: Message-ID: <01b801c47ff0$ee2f4390$6501a8c0@Shop> No, there is no hint of anything used to fire this engine, not even a bump on the cam gear. What I haven't seen before is the fresh air intake is a 3/4" pipe about 14" long with an air regulator device on the end, and about midway a copper line tapped into the bottom that looks to be the gas supply line and naturally no tank. A friend here seems to think this engine was perhaps oilfield adapted to run on natural gas or maybe butane. I don't know. I'll post some pics this afternoon for you to look at. Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Weir" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 1:54 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Fairbanks > >From: "Dave Ernst" > >Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks > >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:14:46 -0700 > > > >What year is a Fairbanks Z, 3 hp with a serial number of 33,588? > >I just acquired it. It has an ignitor, but I don't see any provisions for a > >mag. Would it be coil & battery operated? > > > >Dave > > > Hi Dave, > > I have two of those engines. I looked them up and once and found that FM > only made that engine from 1917-1919 so I guess that narrows it down a bit. > Both engines have ignitors, but one uses cam gear driven Sumter magneto, > and the other uses an ignitor bracket mounted Plugoscillator magneto. > Yours sounds like the Plugoscillator style as those engines do not have > magneto mounting lugs cast into the base like the other style does. I think > those Plugoscillator mags must have been pretty crappy, because they tend to > be hack-sawed off and tapped out for a spark plug more often than not. Does > yours have the obligatory farmer-added "hacksaw blade screwed to a chunk of > fir" spark coil contact off of the cam gear? :-) > > Here are some parts: > > http://www.hitnmiss.com/6.htm > > Grant Weir > Saskatoon, SK. > Canada > From shop at cccomm.net Wed Aug 11 15:49:09 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:49:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks References: <01b801c47ff0$ee2f4390$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <01be01c47ff5$69e1b050$6501a8c0@Shop> Here's the pics http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31365971&f=0 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks > No, there is no hint of anything used to fire this engine, not even a bump > on the cam gear. What I haven't seen before is the fresh air intake is a > 3/4" pipe about 14" long with an air regulator device on the end, and about > midway > a copper line tapped into the bottom that looks to be the gas supply line > and naturally no tank. > A friend here seems to think this engine was perhaps oilfield adapted to run > on natural gas or maybe butane. I don't know. > I'll post some pics this afternoon for you to look at. > Thanks > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Grant Weir" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 1:54 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Fairbanks > > > > >From: "Dave Ernst" > > >Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks > > >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:14:46 -0700 > > > > > >What year is a Fairbanks Z, 3 hp with a serial number of 33,588? > > >I just acquired it. It has an ignitor, but I don't see any provisions for > a > > >mag. Would it be coil & battery operated? > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > I have two of those engines. I looked them up and once and found that > FM > > only made that engine from 1917-1919 so I guess that narrows it down a > bit. > > Both engines have ignitors, but one uses cam gear driven Sumter magneto, > > and the other uses an ignitor bracket mounted Plugoscillator magneto. > > Yours sounds like the Plugoscillator style as those engines do not have > > magneto mounting lugs cast into the base like the other style does. I > think > > those Plugoscillator mags must have been pretty crappy, because they tend > to > > be hack-sawed off and tapped out for a spark plug more often than not. > Does > > yours have the obligatory farmer-added "hacksaw blade screwed to a chunk > of > > fir" spark coil contact off of the cam gear? :-) > > > > Here are some parts: > > > > http://www.hitnmiss.com/6.htm > > > > Grant Weir > > Saskatoon, SK. > > Canada > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Aug 11 16:09:36 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:09:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? In-Reply-To: <000801c47e6c$e1ca0f20$34690b42@gnarmstrong> References: <000801c47e6c$e1ca0f20$34690b42@gnarmstrong> Message-ID: <838418DA-EBEB-11D8-ADE3-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > Ted, > The best of wishes to you. I just read an article on using fly > maggots to > cleanse a wound that failed to heal. Performed by a Dr. and an ancient > remedy. It may be worth investigating. You don't need a doctor for that. Just stick the foot out the window for a while and the maggots'll get there. I've seen some that came in that way. The little buggers do clean up the dead stuff well! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Aug 11 16:15:12 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:15:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Reggie? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20040811072845.00b87408@mail.keyconn.net> References: <4.2.0.58.20040811072845.00b87408@mail.keyconn.net> Message-ID: <4C1C3862-EBEC-11D8-ADE3-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > Ted i am sure that in your area some where there is a hospital that > has a oxygen hippervaric unit[spelling most likely wrong]. Hyperbaric oxygen. Apparently the wound healing studies have yielded mixed results with this. The wound care team at our hospital studied the literature and decided it wasn't worth buying into. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Aug 11 16:31:46 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:31:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Display opinion revisited ( results ) In-Reply-To: <411A3EF8.9000602@mlode.com> References: <411858E2.4040303@mlode.com> <001501c47f46$82780b00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <411A3EF8.9000602@mlode.com> Message-ID: <9C180B12-EBEE-11D8-ADE3-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> I've been using a serpentine belt to drive the generator on Dolly the Listeroid for 4 years now. Mike Montieth fabricated the pulley on the generator, and I use the flywheel rim as the drive pulley. Works fine. My simple tensioning system with the generator mounted on a board with two hinges and a turnbuckle to tighten it has had to be repaired a couple of times, but I haven't gotten around to making anything "better." On Aug 11, 2004, at 11:44 AM, Steve Gray wrote: > Yeah, the serpentines seem to work out real well, plus they're > readily available. The one on the Myers pump is a perfect fit. The > only thing I had to do there was fabricate the small diameter pulley > on the motor. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Aug 11 16:32:31 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:32:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Message-ID: <20040811.163231.284.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Dave. Am I missing something here? You are talking about Fairbanks, and sending pictures of a Hercules. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:49:09 -0700 "Dave Ernst" writes: > Here's the pics > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31365971&f=0 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Ernst" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 3:17 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks > > > > No, there is no hint of anything used to fire this engine, not > even a bump > > on the cam gear. What I haven't seen before is the fresh air > intake is a > > 3/4" pipe about 14" long with an air regulator device on the end, > and > about > > midway > > a copper line tapped into the bottom that looks to be the gas > supply line > > and naturally no tank. > > A friend here seems to think this engine was perhaps oilfield > adapted to > run > > on natural gas or maybe butane. I don't know. > > I'll post some pics this afternoon for you to look at. > > Thanks > > Dave From nancydick at keyconn.net Wed Aug 11 20:33:50 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:33:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks In-Reply-To: <01be01c47ff5$69e1b050$6501a8c0@Shop> References: <01b801c47ff0$ee2f4390$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20040811193243.00b2faf0@mail.keyconn.net> DAVE you will never get it running with that small a hammer. [not enough threat] R Fink PA At 03:49 PM 8/11/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Here's the pics > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31365971&f=0 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dave Ernst" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 3:17 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks > > > > No, there is no hint of anything used to fire this engine, not even a bump > > on the cam gear. What I haven't seen before is the fresh air intake is a > > 3/4" pipe about 14" long with an air regulator device on the end, and >about > > midway > > a copper line tapped into the bottom that looks to be the gas supply line > > and naturally no tank. > > A friend here seems to think this engine was perhaps oilfield adapted to >run > > on natural gas or maybe butane. I don't know. > > I'll post some pics this afternoon for you to look at. > > Thanks > > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Grant Weir" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 1:54 PM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] Fairbanks > > > > > > > >From: "Dave Ernst" > > > >Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks > > > >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:14:46 -0700 > > > > > > > >What year is a Fairbanks Z, 3 hp with a serial number of 33,588? > > > >I just acquired it. It has an ignitor, but I don't see any provisions >for > > a > > > >mag. Would it be coil & battery operated? > > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > I have two of those engines. I looked them up and once and found >that > > FM > > > only made that engine from 1917-1919 so I guess that narrows it down a > > bit. > > > Both engines have ignitors, but one uses cam gear driven Sumter >magneto, > > > and the other uses an ignitor bracket mounted Plugoscillator magneto. > > > Yours sounds like the Plugoscillator style as those engines do not have > > > magneto mounting lugs cast into the base like the other style does. I > > think > > > those Plugoscillator mags must have been pretty crappy, because they >tend > > to > > > be hack-sawed off and tapped out for a spark plug more often than not. > > Does > > > yours have the obligatory farmer-added "hacksaw blade screwed to a chunk > > of > > > fir" spark coil contact off of the cam gear? :-) > > > > > > Here are some parts: > > > > > > http://www.hitnmiss.com/6.htm > > > > > > Grant Weir > > > Saskatoon, SK. > > > Canada > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From glenn.karch at gte.net Wed Aug 11 17:33:19 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:33:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks References: <01b801c47ff0$ee2f4390$6501a8c0@Shop> <01be01c47ff5$69e1b050$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <001801c48003$fa0b0560$36c9e641@oemcomputer> Dave, That is a Waterloo built engine - not FM. That pipe is part of the fuel mixer and it should hang down vertically. That on the end is the priming cup and choke fitting. That engine is battery and coil - no mag involved. It is missing the right angle check valcve and the right angle fuel adjusting valve. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks > Here's the pics > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31365971&f=0 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Ernst" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 3:17 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks > > > > No, there is no hint of anything used to fire this engine, not even a bump > > on the cam gear. What I haven't seen before is the fresh air intake is a > > 3/4" pipe about 14" long with an air regulator device on the end, and > about > > midway > > a copper line tapped into the bottom that looks to be the gas supply line > > and naturally no tank. > > A friend here seems to think this engine was perhaps oilfield adapted to > run > > on natural gas or maybe butane. I don't know. > > I'll post some pics this afternoon for you to look at. > > Thanks > > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Grant Weir" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 1:54 PM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] Fairbanks > > > > > > > >From: "Dave Ernst" > > > >Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks > > > >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:14:46 -0700 > > > > > > > >What year is a Fairbanks Z, 3 hp with a serial number of 33,588? > > > >I just acquired it. It has an ignitor, but I don't see any provisions > for > > a > > > >mag. Would it be coil & battery operated? > > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > I have two of those engines. I looked them up and once and found > that > > FM > > > only made that engine from 1917-1919 so I guess that narrows it down a > > bit. > > > Both engines have ignitors, but one uses cam gear driven Sumter > magneto, > > > and the other uses an ignitor bracket mounted Plugoscillator magneto. > > > Yours sounds like the Plugoscillator style as those engines do not have > > > magneto mounting lugs cast into the base like the other style does. I > > think > > > those Plugoscillator mags must have been pretty crappy, because they > tend > > to > > > be hack-sawed off and tapped out for a spark plug more often than not. > > Does > > > yours have the obligatory farmer-added "hacksaw blade screwed to a chunk > > of > > > fir" spark coil contact off of the cam gear? :-) > > > > > > Here are some parts: > > > > > > http://www.hitnmiss.com/6.htm > > > > > > Grant Weir > > > Saskatoon, SK. > > > Canada > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Vivas1993 at aol.com Wed Aug 11 17:55:47 2004 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:55:47 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Message-ID: <29.5eb13e71.2e4c1a13@aol.com> Hi Folks, The engine pictured was built by Waterloo engine Co., I'm not sure of the name it carried when sold. The long pipe with the cap on the end is the mixer, the gas line was hooked to the 1/4 " pipe. Hook a battery & low tension coil to the ignitor, that's all of the electrical connection needed. I doubt that it was run on propane, I have a 4hp & a 1 1/2hp Waterloo, they are built pretty much the same as your engine. Good luck on you engine ! Dwight From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 11 18:45:01 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:45:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Transportation Available Message-ID: <01f301c4800d$fe4bfee0$210110ac@VAIO> I am pulling a small 5' X 10' single axle trailer from Central Arkansas to Portland and if I can assist anyone in hauling something to Portland I would be glad to try and help. I already have a full load coming back so I cannot haul on the return trip. Just trying to return the favors shown to me by others. Paul From jbcast at charter.net Wed Aug 11 18:56:37 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 1:56:37 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron #3 Message-ID: <3a6eho$5pgkin@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> Tommy, beautiful work on the reproductions. I need a cylinder and head for a 2hp F-M T, was thinking about making a pattern for the cylinder. My idea was to use one core for the inside of the cylinder, then bore it and install a sleeve. This would eliminate the need to cast the water jacket, a much simpler casting and less chance for a blow out. Anyone have thoughts on this? J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From cuz904_99 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 11 19:36:39 2004 From: cuz904_99 at yahoo.com (John E. Hart) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Bryant in Indiana Message-ID: <20040812023639.23314.qmail@web50903.mail.yahoo.com> Can anyone let me know if Roy Bryant has an e-mail address. Thanks John E. Hart Mentone, IN. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Aug 11 21:07:54 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:07:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron #3 In-Reply-To: <3a6eho$5pgkin@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3a6eho$5pgkin@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <411AED1A.6050508@scrtc.com> JB, The biggest problem you would have would be holding the sleeve in place. If you were to bore it out enough to create a water jacket you would then have to create some sort of way to attach it. You could get creative and do a bunch of milling, etc. I have, from time to time, seen the T cylinders and parts floating around. You can tie up a bunch of $$ in patterns, casting, machining, etc. I think if you're willing to make this a long range project, you can find the parts you need. Thanks for the nice comments. TT jbcast at charter.net wrote: >Tommy, beautiful work on the reproductions. I need a cylinder and head for a 2hp F-M T, was thinking about making a pattern for the cylinder. My idea was to use one core for the inside of the cylinder, then bore it and install a sleeve. This would eliminate the need to cast the water jacket, a much simpler casting and less chance for a blow out. Anyone have thoughts on this? >J.B. Castagnos >Belle Rose, LA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Wed Aug 11 23:23:40 2004 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:23:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Mogul Ignitor? Message-ID: <002401c48034$ea624520$cb731dd3@fred> Hi, Am having trouble buying an Ignitor for a 1Hp Mogul, Ted Brooker can`t supply & Edd Payne has retired, can anyone help me? Need mine repaired, buy a new one or a secondhand one. Brian in Melbourne From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Thu Aug 12 00:38:04 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:38:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Mogul Ignitor? References: <002401c48034$ea624520$cb731dd3@fred> Message-ID: <000701c4803f$4e48b7e0$231131cb@oemcomputer> Brian.I can repair yours.I didn't realise you wanted it done that way.Please contact me of list or phone. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 4:23 Subject: [SEL] Mogul Ignitor? > Hi, > Am having trouble buying an Ignitor for a 1Hp Mogul, > Ted Brooker can`t supply & Edd Payne has retired, can anyone help me? > Need mine repaired, buy a new one or a secondhand one. > Brian in Melbourne > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Aug 12 01:53:15 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:53:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Message-ID: <002201c4804a$6a9b14a0$050d1bd3@athlon> Ok you lot, so maybe Helen, myself and a lot of others cannot get there this year. Well, I have just been sitting here going through files of past Portland pictures . Yup, I have a lump in my throat but, the happiest memories of times gone by, and scenes of the nicest folk I could ever wish to meet,have eased the urge to be over there. So, those who are not able to attend this year, Have a look through the photos of previous years. Its still magic! And, to those who have never been, You really dont know what you have missed. It leaves any "religious" thingy for dead!! Ok, outa here and back to the photos!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Aug 12 02:09:52 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:09:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Mogul Ignitor? References: <002401c48034$ea624520$cb731dd3@fred> Message-ID: <009001c4804c$240391a0$050d1bd3@athlon> If all else fails, get to me off list. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Watts" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 4:23 PM Subject: [SEL] Mogul Ignitor? > Hi, > Am having trouble buying an Ignitor for a 1Hp Mogul, > Ted Brooker can`t supply & Edd Payne has retired, can anyone help me? > Need mine repaired, buy a new one or a secondhand one. > Brian in Melbourne > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Aug 12 06:08:40 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Imperial super diesel help wanted (fwd) Message-ID: Pete asked me to forward this to the SEL. If anyone can help, please contact him directly at plowe at ceinternet.com.au ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:59:35 +1000 From: Peter Lowe Hi all The engine I posted about last week I believe is a A.H. McDonald "Imperial Super Diesel" model "J" made between 1919 & 1925 and believed to be 10hp. The first model had a 6" bore x 9" stroke at 8hp and was upgraded to renewable cylinder of 61/2" bore and 9" stroke at 10hp @ 500 rpm. Does anyone in Oz know of anyone who has one of these, I would very much like to find another survivor before I decide whether this one survives again also. Needs a lot of work. Regards Peter Lowe From shop at cccomm.net Thu Aug 12 09:53:49 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:53:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks References: <29.5eb13e71.2e4c1a13@aol.com> Message-ID: <01d401c4808c$f0932b50$6501a8c0@Shop> Now this is getting more interesting all the time. The previous owner gave me the tag, which says it's a FM Z, 6 hp. Now that I look, I find no mounting holes... Does anyone have a picture or link I can go to and see one complete? Thanks very much for the info. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks > Hi Folks, > The engine pictured was built by Waterloo engine Co., I'm not sure of the > name it carried when sold. The long pipe with the cap on the end is the mixer, > the gas line was hooked to the 1/4 " pipe. Hook a battery & low tension coil to > the ignitor, that's all of the electrical connection needed. I doubt that it > was run on propane, I have a 4hp & a 1 1/2hp Waterloo, they are built pretty > much the same as your engine. > Good luck on you engine ! > Dwight > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Thu Aug 12 10:29:52 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks In-Reply-To: <01d401c4808c$f0932b50$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <20040812172952.57177.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> Dave Waterloo Built engines for many different companies. You should be able to locate a serial # on the ignitor side of the crankshaft. The tag on these engines are often missing, but were located on the off side (opposite the ignitor) base. You can see pics of my 2hp Majestic (simular hopper) at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/MyEngines/majestic2hp.htm A serial # list for Waterloo built engines is located at: http://www.majesticengine.com/serial.html If you can measure the bore, we should be able to determine the hp. Steve --- Dave Ernst wrote: > Now this is getting more interesting all the time. The previous owner > gave > me the tag, which says it's a FM Z, 6 hp. Now that I look, I find no > mounting holes... > Does anyone have a picture or link I can go to and see one complete? > Thanks very much for the info. > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks > > > > Hi Folks, > > The engine pictured was built by Waterloo engine Co., I'm not sure of > the > > name it carried when sold. The long pipe with the cap on the end is > the > mixer, > > the gas line was hooked to the 1/4 " pipe. Hook a battery & low > tension > coil to > > the ignitor, that's all of the electrical connection needed. I doubt > that > it > > was run on propane, I have a 4hp & a 1 1/2hp Waterloo, they are built > pretty > > much the same as your engine. > > Good luck on you engine ! > > Dwight > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mraasch at hickorytech.net Thu Aug 12 12:20:41 2004 From: mraasch at hickorytech.net (Marc Raasch) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:20:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Waterloo built engine Message-ID: <000c01c480a1$757f8d40$edff72d8@hickorytech.net> Hello list I was wanting to ask if any one had a year and serial list. Some one just posted a site with the serial numgers and year. Mine is a 4hp made for P J Dowing co. in Minneapolis Mn. Were any of these enginers fitted with a webster Mag. I hope to get mine ready for Lesuer. I'm getting a oversized piston for it and has to be bored. Time is running short. Pioneer Power show is last wk end in Aug. Marcus Raasch St Peter, Mn mraasch at hickorytech.net From stevebarr at ameritech.net Thu Aug 12 12:39:24 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Waterloo built engine In-Reply-To: <000c01c480a1$757f8d40$edff72d8@hickorytech.net> Message-ID: <20040812193924.47517.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Macus I have seen waterloo built engines with Webster and Bosch/Hercules magnetos. There are pics on my web page of them (check the auction list and show pictures). I think that ignitor were the ignition system of choice due to the additional cost for the magneto. You do seem to see mags on a lot more of the larger engines. Steve --- Marc Raasch wrote: Hello list I was wanting to ask if any one had a year and serial list. Some one just posted a site with the serial numgers and year. Mine is a 4hp made for P J Dowing co. in Minneapolis Mn. Were any of these enginers fitted with a webster Mag. I hope to get mine ready for Lesuer. I'm getting a oversized piston for it and has to be bored. Time is running short. Pioneer Power show is last wk end in Aug. Marcus Raasch St Peter, Mn mraasch at hickorytech.net ===== ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Aug 12 14:22:56 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:22:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 5 hp Galloway Cylinder Oiler Message-ID: Howdy all; Sawrig is coming along fine with some more pinstriping added today. Just curious if anyone can ID this cylinder oiler? The one on it now is flat topped with no ID. This one shown has a high crown top. Mine will work but I have to move the hopper just a little. http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/138616381AmaPJX Thanks much!! RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From b.jwalker at shaw.ca Thu Aug 12 18:18:10 2004 From: b.jwalker at shaw.ca (Bob & Joanne) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:18:10 -0600 (Mountain Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] serial number Dave Message-ID: <411C16D2.000008.95143@HPPAV> 289163 to 361036 are 1918. Hope this helps. Bob From jhcullom at adelphia.net Thu Aug 12 18:34:26 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:34:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Monmouth? Message-ID: <02a001c480d5$ab67c330$6401a8c0@john> Hi fellas, Take a look at this engine - http://www.oldengine.org/members/jcullom/Monmouth.jpg , it's a Galloway/Waterloo style engine but it has a rounded hopper, much more rounded then the regular Galloway masterpiece style. A Monmouth maybe? Thanks, John From jbcast at charter.net Thu Aug 12 19:32:01 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 2:32:01 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron #3 Message-ID: <391ph9$5tsl6a@mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net> > JB, > > The biggest problem you would have would be holding the sleeve in > place. If you were to bore it out enough to create a water jacket you > would then have to create some sort of way to attach it. You could get > creative and do a bunch of milling, etc. I have, from time to time, > seen the T cylinders and parts floating around. You can tie up a bunch > of $$ in patterns, casting, machining, etc. I think if you're willing > to make this a long range project, you can find the parts you need. > Thanks for the nice comments. > Tommy, I have two running T's and an extra base missing the cylinder and head. This is just a project I wanted to try. I would make the core with a small neck on each side, this would form the water jacket and the necked down part would leave an area to be bored to hold the sleeve, it would be a wet sleeve. In my racing days I repaired several blocks that lost a piston and beat the cylinder out. I just bored the top and bottom of the remaining cylinder, left a step at the bottom to capture the sleeve. The head secured the top. I can do the machine work myself, have done some pattern making, and have an old pattern maker friend that still works part time at the foundry. If I get it done before he retires I can get it poured free. The T cylinder mounts on the bottom flange, easier machining than your engine, less to align. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Aug 12 20:39:31 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:39:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project - Another Hunk of Iron #3 In-Reply-To: <391ph9$5tsl6a@mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <391ph9$5tsl6a@mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <411C37F3.5090500@scrtc.com> JB, That would work. You would have to make some sort of arrangement for the oiler to pass through the water jacket area to reach the internal cylinder wall. I can't remember but think the T ignitor mounts in the cylinder not the head so an arrangement would have to made for it to pass through the water jacket as well. It can be done, just some work. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY jbcast at charter.net wrote: >>JB, >> >> The biggest problem you would have would be holding the sleeve in >>place. If you were to bore it out enough to create a water jacket you >>would then have to create some sort of way to attach it. You could get >>creative and do a bunch of milling, etc. I have, from time to time, >>seen the T cylinders and parts floating around. You can tie up a bunch >>of $$ in patterns, casting, machining, etc. I think if you're willing >>to make this a long range project, you can find the parts you need. >>Thanks for the nice comments. >> >> >> >Tommy, I have two running T's and an extra base missing the cylinder and head. This is just a project I wanted to try. I would make the core with a small neck on each side, this would form the water jacket and the necked down part would leave an area to be bored to hold the sleeve, it would be a wet sleeve. In my racing days I repaired several blocks that lost a piston and beat the cylinder out. I just bored the top and bottom of the remaining cylinder, left a step at the bottom to capture the sleeve. The head secured the top. I can do the machine work myself, have done some pattern making, and have an old pattern maker friend that still works part time at the foundry. If I get it done before he retires I can get it poured free. The T cylinder mounts on the bottom flange, easier machining than your engine, less to align. >J.B. Castagnos >Belle Rose, LA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Aug 12 21:20:51 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:20:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Curious about feedback Message-ID: <001901c480ec$eb5463b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, The last couple of nights have been interesting and rewarding for me. Seems once a month I get an e-mail about the Maytag restoration, and tonight I got one on the Montgomery Ward info I am putting online. It seems what I put online is seen by some and they take the time to mail me. Makes it all worth the time for me. Anyone else getting great feedback on a website? Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 13 00:06:19 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:06:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 5 hp Galloway Cylinder Oiler Message-ID: Hi Richard, it could be an essex they look very similar to the one on the galloway. Dave in oz >From: "Richard Strobel" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] 5 hp Galloway Cylinder Oiler >Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:22:56 -0600 > > Howdy all; Sawrig is coming along fine with some more pinstriping >added >today. Just curious if anyone can ID this cylinder oiler? The one on it >now is flat topped with no ID. This one shown has a high crown top. Mine >will work but I have to move the hopper just a little. >http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/138616381AmaPJX > > Thanks much!! > >RickinMt. >http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Feeling spent? Apply here for emergency plastic surgery: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;9577691;9687279;r?http://www.promo.com.au/virgincreditcard/plasticsurgery/track.cfm?source=P08 From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Aug 13 04:23:04 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 07:23:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Curious about feedback In-Reply-To: <001901c480ec$eb5463b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> References: <001901c480ec$eb5463b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <248887FE-ED1B-11D8-B718-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > It seems what I put online is seen by some and they take the time to > mail me. Makes it all worth the time for me. Anyone else getting great > feedback on a website? I get E-mailed about Web stuff all the time, especially about the page on Dolly the Listeroid, whose page I haven't updated in about 4 1/2 years. I've got to get one of those round tuits one of these days! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From burnoil at hotmail.com Fri Aug 13 05:06:43 2004 From: burnoil at hotmail.com (Burnoil) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:06:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Webster Mag Date References: <20040810054525.5987.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com> <002401c47ed4$3d188480$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: hi ted could you get me two coils for webster mags two k and two model L thanks for your time DENNIS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Brookover" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Webster Mag Date > Hi Joe, good questions, unfortunately the answers are somewhat suspect. > > The best information available is in Doc Schuster's book, "The Webster > System", where he states that Emil Podlesak was the superintendent of the > Webster Electric Co. prior to 1913 while the company was located in Tiffin, > OH. > > Dr. Schuster also states that the move to Racine was brought about by an > eviction and a flood in Ohio, in 1913. > > These two pieces of information are interesting, unfortunately in the next > paragraph or two he gives the impression that, 1. the change to Horseshoe > Magnets (AKA the birth of the Tri-Polar) came in or after 1913 and, 2. that > the brass frames were used till the WW I era (1914 to 1918 depending on your > location), since both of these have long since been shown to be false by > evidence from the period, I am forced to be suspect of the first two. > > First evidence of the Tri-Polar as I have said, shows up in magazines of > late 1911 and it has been my experience that brass frames were abandoned for > die cast Zinc sometime prior to 1914, as evidenced by picture in these same > magazines. Someone that has seen as many Websters as I have can spot the > Brass frames from the Zinc frames by the shape of the casting. > > PS, thanks for the kind words from you and everyone else on the list. > > > Ted Brookover > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > 816-763-3142 > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Prindle" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 12:45 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Webster Mag Date > > > > Hi Ted, > > I hope you are on the mend and up and around again soon. You have been > > pretty quiet lately, which is understandable, and I have missed your wit > > and wisdom. > > So, great magneto guru, let me ask you a few questions: > > About when did Webster move to Racine from Tiffin, Ohio? Any idea how > > come? Who was Podelsak and what were his patents? > > Those are questions I have always wondered about but never knew the > > answers to. If anyone knows, it's you. I love webster mags, they are > > pretty darned reliable and they are a good looking piece of engineering. > > Thanks, and take care! > > Joe > > --- Ted Brookover wrote: > > > Actually 1911 is more like it, bass framed ones were advertized in Gas > > > Power > > > in mid to late 1911 > > > > > > > > > ===== > > Joe Prindle > > Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist > > See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: > > www.tznet.com/jprindle > > Our Club: > > www.badgersteamandgas.com > > See Yoo in Baraboo! > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 13 15:41:47 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:41:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Webster Mag Date References: <20040810054525.5987.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com><002401c47ed4$3d188480$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <002d01c48186$b8361790$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Hi Dennis, I'm sorry but I am not a parts dealer, I suggest you contact one of these guys. Magneto Parts Bill Lopoulos 29 Chard Rd Tyngsboro, MA 01879 978-649-7879 email: blopoulos at aol.com http://www.magnetoparts.com Marks Magneto Service 395 South Burnham Hwy. Lisbon,06351,CT. 860-887-1094 Mitch Malcolm mitchmalcolm at hotmail.com RR1 Box. 564B Otertail,56571,MN. 218-367-2819 Hit & Miss Enterprises 4462 Montgomery Road Orwell, OH 44076 (440)272-5335 day or (440)272-5333 eve sales at hitnmiss.com sales at hitnmiss.com Lee W. Pedersen 78 Taft Ave. Lynbrook, NY 11563 http://enginads.com/pedersen/index.html Starbolt Engine Supplies 3403 Buckeystown Pk. Adamstown, MD 21710 (301)874-2821 8:30AM to 4:30PM (301)694-2821 5:00PM to 9:00PM Email: Starbolt4uaol.com Web Site: http://www.enginads.com/starbolt/ Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burnoil" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Webster Mag Date > hi ted could you get me two coils for webster mags two k and two model L > thanks for your time DENNIS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ted Brookover" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:19 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Webster Mag Date > > > > Hi Joe, good questions, unfortunately the answers are somewhat suspect. > > > > The best information available is in Doc Schuster's book, "The Webster > > System", where he states that Emil Podlesak was the superintendent of the > > Webster Electric Co. prior to 1913 while the company was located in > Tiffin, > > OH. > > > > Dr. Schuster also states that the move to Racine was brought about by an > > eviction and a flood in Ohio, in 1913. > > > > These two pieces of information are interesting, unfortunately in the next > > paragraph or two he gives the impression that, 1. the change to Horseshoe > > Magnets (AKA the birth of the Tri-Polar) came in or after 1913 and, 2. > that > > the brass frames were used till the WW I era (1914 to 1918 depending on > your > > location), since both of these have long since been shown to be false by > > evidence from the period, I am forced to be suspect of the first two. > > > > First evidence of the Tri-Polar as I have said, shows up in magazines of > > late 1911 and it has been my experience that brass frames were abandoned > for > > die cast Zinc sometime prior to 1914, as evidenced by picture in these > same > > magazines. Someone that has seen as many Websters as I have can spot the > > Brass frames from the Zinc frames by the shape of the casting. > > > > PS, thanks for the kind words from you and everyone else on the list. > > > > > > Ted Brookover > > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > > 816-763-3142 > > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > > Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > > > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joe Prindle" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 12:45 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Webster Mag Date > > > > > > > Hi Ted, > > > I hope you are on the mend and up and around again soon. You have been > > > pretty quiet lately, which is understandable, and I have missed your wit > > > and wisdom. > > > So, great magneto guru, let me ask you a few questions: > > > About when did Webster move to Racine from Tiffin, Ohio? Any idea how > > > come? Who was Podelsak and what were his patents? > > > Those are questions I have always wondered about but never knew the > > > answers to. If anyone knows, it's you. I love webster mags, they are > > > pretty darned reliable and they are a good looking piece of engineering. > > > Thanks, and take care! > > > Joe > > > --- Ted Brookover wrote: > > > > Actually 1911 is more like it, bass framed ones were advertized in Gas > > > > Power > > > > in mid to late 1911 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > Joe Prindle > > > Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist > > > See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: > > > www.tznet.com/jprindle > > > Our Club: > > > www.badgersteamandgas.com > > > See Yoo in Baraboo! > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BetCleve321 at aol.com Fri Aug 13 14:47:14 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:47:14 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re: Curious about feedback Message-ID: <1da.28d12fea.2e4e90e2@aol.com> Since you are talking about web sites, go here to help me get my site on the web crawler. www.wizbangtools.com We will be adding some stuff to,it later. Skip & Betty Cleveland From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 13 16:28:53 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:28:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. South African Needs Help on Parts Message-ID: <001c01c4818d$4dd764b0$210110ac@VAIO> Folks I received the following request from one of our engine friends in South Africa: From: Pinto's To: service at galaxieparts.com Cc: pinto at lando.co.za Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 10:26 AM Subject: 1962 ford galaxie I,ve got 1962 Ford Galaxie 500 4-door and would like to know if you have any exterior sidemoldings alongside the car available(as highlighted in attachment), originally made of alliminium. I will apreciate a picture or photo many thanx WILLEM from Robertson in South Africa Here is the picture he sent with his letter which shows the moldings he needs to complete the restoration of his car. http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=174741998 His e-mail address is pinto at lando.co.za If anyone has any of the parts or know where he can get them please send him an e-mail and help him out. Thanks From BillMil357 at aol.com Fri Aug 13 17:21:22 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:21:22 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. South African Needs Help on Parts Message-ID: <30.5dd09478.2e4eb502@aol.com> Hi Paul; I could not get on your Webshots page-it said an error had occurred and I was not the owner of this album. See ya, Bill Miller. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 13 17:24:22 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:24:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Garden Tractor Info Needed Message-ID: <006001c48195$0eee8780$210110ac@VAIO> Does anyone have any information on an old 1937 Standard Twin Garden Tractor? Sure would like to correspond with anyone who has one, has any info, or know of anyone that does. Thanks From alanb2 at webtv.net Fri Aug 13 17:38:23 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:38:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. South African Needs Help on Parts In-Reply-To: 's message of Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:28:53 -0500 Message-ID: <21274-411D5EFF-376@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net> Hey Paul, I get a message that says I am not the owner of the page or something like that and invites me to use my BACK button to correct the situation,,,,, In other words,,,, GET OUT OF HERE!! 8>)) Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From ottawa at pa.net Fri Aug 13 19:20:59 2004 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:20:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. South African Needs Help on Parts References: <001c01c4818d$4dd764b0$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <007d01c481a5$570f6470$eef1cd97@HONDESKTOP> Here is the address for the Webshot photo of the trim needed: http://community.webshots.com/photo/174741998/174742211DjCSZC Helen George L. & Helen S. Myers The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Tel 717-536-3711 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 http://community.webshots.com/user/doitnowo ----- Original Message ----- From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net To: Stationary Engine List Cc: Pinto's Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 7:28 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. South African Needs Help on Parts Folks I received the following request from one of our engine friends in South Africa: From: Pinto's To: service at galaxieparts.com Cc: pinto at lando.co.za Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 10:26 AM Subject: 1962 ford galaxie I,ve got 1962 Ford Galaxie 500 4-door and would like to know if you have any exterior sidemoldings alongside the car available(as highlighted in attachment), originally made of alliminium. I will apreciate a picture or photo many thanx WILLEM from Robertson in South Africa Here is the picture he sent with his letter which shows the moldings he needs to complete the restoration of his car. http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=174741998 His e-mail address is pinto at lando.co.za If anyone has any of the parts or know where he can get them please send him an e-mail and help him out. Thanks _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 13 19:25:33 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:25:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. South African Needs Help on Parts References: <21274-411D5EFF-376@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <00d101c481a5$fccb5ef0$210110ac@VAIO> Alan try this and look at the first album: http://community.webshots.com/user/wheelterrapin Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. South African Needs Help on Parts > Hey Paul, > I get a message that says I am not the owner of the page or something > like that and invites me to use my BACK button to correct the > situation,,,,, In other words,,,, > GET OUT OF HERE!! 8>)) > > Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net > Williamsburg, Michigan > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bercar at shenhgts.net Fri Aug 13 19:40:52 2004 From: bercar at shenhgts.net (Bernie) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:40:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Garden Tractor Info Needed In-Reply-To: <006001c48195$0eee8780$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: i have one.. what do you need to know Bernie -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 8:24 PM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Garden Tractor Info Needed Does anyone have any information on an old 1937 Standard Twin Garden Tractor? Sure would like to correspond with anyone who has one, has any info, or know of anyone that does. Thanks _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Aug 13 20:43:12 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:43:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New tractor nut Message-ID: <001401c481b0$d3c46ff0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Came to me and thought maybe someone could help him out. ***** I'm very new to antique tractors and engines and don't know where to begin. I am interested in finding info on the Indiana tractor built in Anderson Indiana. I saw two at the Indiana State Fair yesterday and I think that they may be what I have been looking for. I've been looking for workable antique farm equipment with a local interest. I have a small farm about 20 minutes from Anderson. Can you point me towards resources for learning about and possibly buying an Indiana tractor? **** Contact him at: Christopher J Chambers E-mail Address(es): CHAMBERS_CHRISTOPHER_J at LILLY.COM I did point him to the ATIS antique tractor list, but if you know of a club or group in the area it sure would help out. A tractor belted up is a stationary engine. :-) Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From BillMil357 at aol.com Fri Aug 13 20:51:59 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:51:59 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. South African Needs Help on Parts Message-ID: <1e9.27863c11.2e4ee65f@aol.com> Paul; I was able to get on your Webshots with this link http://community.webshots.com/user/wheelterrapin Thanks, Bill Miller. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 13 22:00:35 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:00:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. South African Needs Help on Parts References: <1e9.27863c11.2e4ee65f@aol.com> Message-ID: <011d01c481bb$a433eb70$210110ac@VAIO> Good Bill, I have written Webshots a letter to find out what is going on. Thanks for the help. I hope someone can help the man in South Africa find his Ford Galaxie parts. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. South African Needs Help on Parts > Paul; > > I was able to get on your Webshots with this link > > http://community.webshots.com/user/wheelterrapin > > Thanks, > > Bill Miller. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Aug 14 03:44:29 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 10:44:29 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Stover AC/DURO engine info wanted Message-ID: <081420041044.28286.7d06@mchsi.com> Looking for some help on a Stover AC 1/2hp (DURO) engine. Need info and missing parts. thankyou in advance, Curt Andree From yostsw at atis.net Sat Aug 14 08:46:21 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:46:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Sandwich Engine Age References: Message-ID: <200408141146210140.0547F755@heavyiron.atis.net> Can someone help this fellow out? He is NOT on the list so use his email: cfooter at earthlink.net Spencer *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** On 8/13/2004 at 6:12 PM carole footer wrote: >I have been trying to find out the year of manufacture of my Sandwich 6 hp >engine. The serial # is D25669. Can you point me in the direction to get >some help with this? >Any help in my search would be appreciated. >Bill Footer >PO Box 674 >Merrimack, NH 30354 *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** From oldengin at udata.com Sat Aug 14 12:58:13 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:58:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland, Reg just delelte! In-Reply-To: <1da.28d12fea.2e4e90e2@aol.com> References: <1da.28d12fea.2e4e90e2@aol.com> Message-ID: <411E6ED5.5000506@udata.com> Well the promised land has a campin area.... Enough for about 15 of us, hope this is correct. I will travel over this Tue., but will be back until this Thur. THEN........................................................................... man it is sure quite and bore there now NOT! -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 14 14:54:54 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:54:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor Message-ID: <008701c48249$575d91f0$210110ac@VAIO> Someone let me know if the Webshots address below works or not: http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=175063368 Paul From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 14 15:12:48 2004 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor In-Reply-To: <008701c48249$575d91f0$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <20040814221248.28657.qmail@web14107.mail.yahoo.com> Nope it don't work. ERROR. You do not appear to be the owner of this website. Suspect you are using the site address where you sign in. There has to be another one for viewing. Ron paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: Someone let me know if the Webshots address below works or not: http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=175063368 Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! From art at etsnj.com Sat Aug 14 15:14:33 2004 From: art at etsnj.com (Art Oswald) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:14:33 -0400 Subject: [SPAM] [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor In-Reply-To: <008701c48249$575d91f0$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <000001c4824c$17524710$1202a8c0@artb0y712ywxp8> I got an error message that I was not the owner of the account. You have to make your album public. Art -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 5:55 PM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SPAM] [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor Someone let me know if the Webshots address below works or not: http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&alb umID=175063368 Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BetCleve321 at aol.com Sat Aug 14 15:25:56 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:25:56 EDT Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor Message-ID: <59.13262cf0.2e4feb74@aol.com> In a message dated 8/14/2004 6:02:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=1 75063368 NO From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Aug 14 15:37:42 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:37:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor References: <008701c48249$575d91f0$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <000901c4824f$509c8a00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Nope and sure getting tired of it. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 3:54 PM Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor > Someone let me know if the Webshots address below works or not: > > http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=175063368 > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 14 17:02:59 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:02:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor References: <20040814221248.28657.qmail@web14107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002301c4825b$3c726020$210110ac@VAIO> Ron, I just converted from my old dial up service to DSL and I now have a new E-mail address, do you think this is causing the problem? If so how do I correct it? I am fed up to trying to use this. Sorry to all of you for the trouble. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor > Nope it don't work. > ERROR. You do not appear to be the owner of this website. > Suspect you are using the site address where you sign in. There has to be another one for viewing. > Ron > > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > Someone let me know if the Webshots address below works or not: > > http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=175063368 > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 14 17:11:54 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:11:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor (New Address) References: <008701c48249$575d91f0$210110ac@VAIO> <000901c4824f$509c8a00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <003b01c4825c$7ae533e0$210110ac@VAIO> Jeff try this one until I get this figured out, I am VERY FRUSTRATED right now. http://community.webshots.com/album/175063368bSQkSh Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor > Nope and sure getting tired of it. > > Jeff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Stationary Engine List" > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 3:54 PM > Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor > > > > Someone let me know if the Webshots address below works or not: > > > > > http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=175063368 > > > > Paul > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From marvhed at ecenet.com Sat Aug 14 17:47:54 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (marv) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:47:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor (New Address) References: <008701c48249$575d91f0$210110ac@VAIO><000901c4824f$509c8a00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <003b01c4825c$7ae533e0$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <003301c48261$80efe320$6ad63d40@dell14> thw link worked fine for me! marv in minn ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor (New Address) Jeff try this one until I get this figured out, I am VERY FRUSTRATED right now. http://community.webshots.com/album/175063368bSQkSh Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 14 17:51:06 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:51:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor (New Address) References: <008701c48249$575d91f0$210110ac@VAIO><000901c4824f$509c8a00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221><003b01c4825c$7ae533e0$210110ac@VAIO> <003301c48261$80efe320$6ad63d40@dell14> Message-ID: <007101c48261$f5467310$210110ac@VAIO> Thanks Marv. My good friend Bill Miller in Memphis worked out this address for me. I am still trying to figure out why I cannot do it like I use to. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "marv" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor (New Address) > thw link worked fine for me! > marv in minn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 7:11 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor (New Address) > > > Jeff try this one until I get this figured out, I am VERY FRUSTRATED right > now. > > http://community.webshots.com/album/175063368bSQkSh > From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Aug 15 03:30:38 2004 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 20:30:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Bosch 32 maggi forsale Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040815202814.00b66358@mail.ncable.com.au> Hi listee's I have a good working bosch 32 low tension magneto Im selling. Non original magnets but hard to tell. works fine. I ran it on my Hornsby for quite some time. Genuine inquiries, ..... $600 ozzie Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From jfaust at mfi.net Sun Aug 15 03:38:50 2004 From: jfaust at mfi.net (Joe Faust) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 06:38:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Alpha gas tank Message-ID: <005501c482b4$0dc2a240$37cc7d41@jfaust> Hi everyone, I am looking for a gas tank for an Alpha DeLaval 1.5. I'm new to this "old" stuff. I'm running this engine off a plastic tank right now, but I know this is not right. Thanks Joe Faust jfaust at mfi.net From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 15 04:04:05 2004 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 04:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor In-Reply-To: <002301c4825b$3c726020$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <20040815110405.42267.qmail@web14104.mail.yahoo.com> Aint these machines just wonderful? Ron paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:Ron, I just converted from my old dial up service to DSL and I now have a new E-mail address, do you think this is causing the problem? If so how do I correct it? I am fed up to trying to use this. Sorry to all of you for the trouble. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Standard Twin Tractor > Nope it don't work. > ERROR. You do not appear to be the owner of this website. > Suspect you are using the site address where you sign in. There has to be another one for viewing. > Ron > > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > Someone let me know if the Webshots address below works or not: > > http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=175063368 > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Aug 15 06:01:04 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:01:04 EDT Subject: [SEL] Alan King Publications Message-ID: <1cf.28a0b309.2e50b890@aol.com> Hi List, Did Alan King publish more than eight (8) volumes of his "Gasoline Engines" booklets? Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From kd5byb at earthlink.net Sun Aug 15 11:07:34 2004 From: kd5byb at earthlink.net (Benjamin D. Hall) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 13:07:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fuel tank sealer for diesel engines? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20040815202814.00b66358@mail.ncable.com.au> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20040815202814.00b66358@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040815130549.01bee200@pop.earthlink.net> Hey all, Two questions. Father-in-law just purchased a military surplus diesel generator. Runs excellent, but the fuel tank has many pinhole leaks from rust-through. 1) Is there a fuel tank sealer rated for diesel fuel? 2) How do you remove all the diesel from the tank so that the sealer can adhere? thanks, ben --- From the computer of Benjamin D. Hall, kd5byb at earthlink.net. Northern Alabama, USA. From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Aug 15 12:55:23 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 20:55:23 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fuel tank sealer for diesel engines? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040815130549.01bee200@pop.earthlink.net> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20040815202814.00b66358@mail.ncable.com.au> <6.1.2.0.0.20040815130549.01bee200@pop.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9qfvh0pseqnp2kautmttmourcbku2tkb3m@4ax.com> On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 13:07:34 -0500, you wrote: >Hey all, > >Two questions. Father-in-law just purchased a military surplus diesel >generator. Runs excellent, but the fuel tank has many pinhole leaks from >rust-through. > >1) Is there a fuel tank sealer rated for diesel fuel? >2) How do you remove all the diesel from the tank so that the sealer can >adhere? > >thanks, >ben Hi Ben: To remove the diesel, wash out thoroughly with petrol or kero and leave to dry in the sun for a couple of days. There is residual oil in diesel fuel but a good wash and dry will take it out. Regarding the sealer, there are plenty of proprietary products around, but we are in the UK so I cannot recommend anything over your side. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Aug 15 13:30:16 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:30:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Yardbirds, Portland & Thieves Message-ID: As you know, I decided to cancel the Portland show trip for myself, Jennifer and Josh, since we just bought and fixed up a house. But I'd already phoned and ordered some of the "yard birds" and other sculptures made from scrap iron by James E. Carter of "Carter's Creations," who displays his wares in the big vendor building at Portland. So I arranged with him to drive up and meet him at his shop yesterday and brought home some really nice pieces he'd made. Got a great big pink flamingo, two medium size flamingoes, two turkeys, and some new pieces he's introduced since last year, a big blue heron, a road runner, an ostrich, and a buzzard. (The last one I call "Darth Vulture," as he really reminds me of the Star Wars bad guy.) I'd also asked him to make me a purple flower with faucet handles for blossoms, which I'd admired in the past but he hadn't had for the last few years. Turns out he'd quit making them because he'd about run out of the faucet handles, but he made up three sets with the last he had. Mr. Carter's retired from a Chrysler plant in Muncie, which was erected in 1906 as the Maxwell automobile factory. These handles were from that building's plumbing shutoff valves. They were a type common through the 1930s, but could go back to the original Maxwell plant. He's got another flower to sell, but plans to keep the last one since he worked there. (He made another flower set with newer handles that look like "atoms.") I also picked up one little item, a bright green salamander made from a spud wrench. He said he'd had that out on the table at a show when a big, humorless old man growled at him "You ruined a good spud wrench." Mr. Carter said "You must be a steel man." He said "I reckon I AM!," pulling open his collar to show a small gold plated spud wrench on a chain. Apparently when construction steel workers retire they get one of those instead of a watch like Mr. Carter got from Chrysler. He has lots of other neat creations, including a brand new pig he hasn't finished. Mr. Carter's home is in very easy driving distance of Portland. If I hadn't been in a hurry to get back home I'd've cruised over there to see who was already there. Which brings me to why he's stopped handing out business cards at Portland: There are con men/burglars cruising the shows, asking for cards and inquiring about people's business. They'd ask questions to reveal the type of equipment one has in his shop, like "How'd you cut this piece out?" (Plasma cutter.) "How many days you gonna be working this show?" "If I need to get in touch with you, is someone home to answer the phone?" Then, after establishing that the vendor's got valuable, portable stuff, nobody's home, and it's in easy driving distance, they go take what they want. Portland vendors and exhibitors, beware. The bad guys are there, and seem like normal friendly, curious show visitors. I had a nice drive up and back. Tried a new route over the Kentucky mountains that I'd previously avoided, thinking it'd be a difficult drive, but I actually like it better. I only put on 798 miles for the whole trip, where it would've been 1000 with my earlier routes, and although a good bit's two-lane I still made good time. Since I hauled this stuff off a week and a half before the Portland show starts, he'll have time to paint up some "critters" from stock he's already welded and take them along in the space my stuff would've taken up, so he'll have a good selection. Go check him out in the big white building! HIs wife also sells neat paintings of farm scenes on old saw blades, golf scenes on old club heads and such, in the next booth. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From lfevans at pacbell.net Sun Aug 15 14:54:47 2004 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 14:54:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Alan King Publications In-Reply-To: <1cf.28a0b309.2e50b890@aol.com> References: <1cf.28a0b309.2e50b890@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040815140833.04583c70@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Francis, In the preface to volume 8 he states it is the last one in the series and it has a copyright date of 1983. In 1994 he published two more books with the titles of "Gasoline Engines 1884-1934" and "Gasoline Engines 1919-1962." These two books are similar to the first eight in that they consist of page after page of reprints of early advertising. The emphasis of the 1919-1962 book is primarily the smaller air cooled engines such as Briggs & Stratton, Clinton, Kohler, etc. Larry At 06:01 AM 8/15/2004, you wrote: >Hi List, >Did Alan King publish more than eight (8) volumes of his "Gasoline Engines" >booklets? > > >Francis Maciel >Santa Maria, California >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Aug 15 15:20:05 2004 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:20:05 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Publications on Tangye Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040816081818.02333620@mail.ncable.com.au> G'day all, does anyone know of any publications about Tangye engines?? I would love to know/learn more about them. History, different models and what years etc????? Any help would be most appreciated Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Aug 15 15:19:11 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:19:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Bosch 32 maggi forsale References: <5.2.0.9.2.20040815202814.00b66358@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <007b01c4832b$2b63a700$940d1bd3@athlon> What are you smoking Russ? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 8:30 PM Subject: [SEL] Bosch 32 maggi forsale > Hi listee's > I have a good working bosch 32 low tension magneto Im selling. Non original > magnets but hard to tell. works fine. I ran it on my Hornsby for quite some > time. Genuine inquiries, ..... $600 ozzie > Russell > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ottawa at pa.net Sun Aug 15 18:41:20 2004 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:41:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Flywheeler Park Message-ID: <00c901c48332$21cef030$8df1cd97@HONDESKTOP> There is a short message on SmokStak regarding the hurricane damage at the Flywheeler's Park at Avon Park, Florida. Apparently the damage was very extensive. Read it yourself. I do not want to copy someone elses message. Helen George L. & Helen S. Myers The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Tel 717-536-3711 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 http://community.webshots.com/user/doitnowo From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Aug 15 19:59:17 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 19:59:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Flywheeler Park Message-ID: <20040815.195917.1080.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Helen. I just went there and couldn't find it mentioned. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:41:20 -0400 "George/Helen Myers" writes: > There is a short message on SmokStak regarding the hurricane damage > at the Flywheeler's Park at Avon Park, Florida. Apparently the > damage was very extensive. Read it yourself. I do not want to copy > someone elses message. > > > Helen > George L. & Helen S. Myers > The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net > Tel 717-536-3711 > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 > http://community.webshots.com/user/doitnowo From diesel at easynet.co.uk Mon Aug 16 00:29:34 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:29:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Collection - Gilbertsville, NY - Mission Accomplished! In-Reply-To: <1hc9g09blp2bbk54dhhkd8jbgdmanrunmm@4ax.com> References: <1hc9g09blp2bbk54dhhkd8jbgdmanrunmm@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:37:50 +0100, you wrote: >Is there anyone in the Gilbertsville, NY area that could collect a couple of >Homelite gennies for us and hold them for a while? Thes are the two-stroke >models with 120V 400Hz AC alternators on. Following my request for help, Stev Williams has very kindly offered assistance (as did a few others, thanks guys!) and last weekend he travelled over and collected the units for us. Happily, it turns out that the vendor had a few other goodies that Steve was interested in, so he may be going back for another look :-)) Thanks to Steve for his timely assistance, and to the other guys who offered help, much appreciated. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Mon Aug 16 00:29:34 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:29:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Collection - Gilbertsville, NY - Mission Accomplished! In-Reply-To: <1hc9g09blp2bbk54dhhkd8jbgdmanrunmm@4ax.com> References: <1hc9g09blp2bbk54dhhkd8jbgdmanrunmm@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:37:50 +0100, you wrote: >Is there anyone in the Gilbertsville, NY area that could collect a couple of >Homelite gennies for us and hold them for a while? Thes are the two-stroke >models with 120V 400Hz AC alternators on. Following my request for help, Stev Williams has very kindly offered assistance (as did a few others, thanks guys!) and last weekend he travelled over and collected the units for us. Happily, it turns out that the vendor had a few other goodies that Steve was interested in, so he may be going back for another look :-)) Thanks to Steve for his timely assistance, and to the other guys who offered help, much appreciated. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From ottawa at pa.net Mon Aug 16 01:27:05 2004 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 04:27:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Flywheeler Park References: <20040815.195917.1080.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <000e01c4836a$d0ec0fc0$79f0cd97@HONDESKTOP> Subject is "Flywheel Park", currently at the bottom of my first page. Thread was started on Sat, August 14th.....Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: rdhaskell at juno.com To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Flywheeler Park Hi Helen. I just went there and couldn't find it mentioned. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:41:20 -0400 "George/Helen Myers" writes: > There is a short message on SmokStak regarding the hurricane damage > at the Flywheeler's Park at Avon Park, Florida. Apparently the > damage was very extensive. Read it yourself. I do not want to copy > someone elses message. > > > Helen > George L. & Helen S. Myers > The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net > Tel 717-536-3711 > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 > http://community.webshots.com/user/doitnowo _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Aug 16 03:11:16 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:11:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] First Ever SEL Eng. site at Baraboo roped off Message-ID: <081620041011.3344.b30@mchsi.com> Spent the day helping the club rope off gas engine alley and we have are very first ever own area roped off. Very easy access for unloading/loading by truck and trailer,close to food and water,flea market area, relatively flat ground, plenty of shade trees and lots of room for extra folks so bring an engine or two or just stop on by to visit. If you have any questions or need help drop me a line or call. Phone: 815-868-2457 work/home Curt Andree From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Aug 16 03:25:09 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 06:25:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] First Ever SEL Eng. site at Baraboo roped off References: <081620041011.3344.b30@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <049901c4837b$4eca3fb0$0400a8c0@Dave> > Spent the day helping the club rope off gas engine alley and we have are very > first ever own area roped off. Very easy access for unloading/loading by > truck and trailer,close to food and water,flea market area, relatively flat > ground, plenty of shade trees and lots of room for extra folks so bring an > engine or two or just stop on by to visit. > If you have any questions or need help drop me a line or call. > Phone: 815-868-2457 work/home > Curt Andree Hi Curt, Arnie and I should get there Thursday evening. I'll have the ATIS banner with me! Dave From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Aug 16 03:55:21 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:55:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] First Ever SEL Eng. site at Baraboo roped off Message-ID: <081620041055.10656.62df@mchsi.com> Hi Dave, Sounds great, was wondering about the banner and trying to think of some way to make one before thursday. We ve got lots of tall trees we can string it too. You should have no trouble pulling your large engine trailer in place and disconnecting...hopefully level enough. The water wagon is siting right next to our site waiting to dispense all you need...so no hauling buckets. Looking forward to seeing you guys again. Curt > > Spent the day helping the club rope off gas engine alley and we have are > very > > first ever own area roped off. Very easy access for unloading/loading by > > truck and trailer,close to food and water,flea market area, relatively > flat > > ground, plenty of shade trees and lots of room for extra folks so bring an > > engine or two or just stop on by to visit. > > If you have any questions or need help drop me a line or call. > > Phone: 815-868-2457 work/home > > Curt Andree > > Hi Curt, > Arnie and I should get there Thursday evening. I'll have the ATIS banner > with me! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Aug 16 06:17:35 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:17:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 5 hp Galloway Cylinder Oiler References: Message-ID: Thanks Dave. It very well could be an old style Essex. Will keep looking for one with that high pointed crown. Take Care, RickinMt. From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Aug 16 22:06:18 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:06:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Test Please ignore Message-ID: <200408170506.i7H56MM0029602@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> No mail in two days,wonder if I have been "unlisted" by a security update. Jim O'Hagan From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Aug 16 22:33:25 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:33:25 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Test Please ignore References: <200408170506.i7H56MM0029602@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <000501c4841b$b8131be0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Jim, you came through here in the Low Lands. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 7:06 AM Subject: [SEL] Test Please ignore > No mail in two days,wonder if I have been "unlisted" by a security update. > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustyjnk at gotnet.net Tue Aug 17 02:40:34 2004 From: rustyjnk at gotnet.net (rustyjnk) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:40:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Test Please ignore In-Reply-To: <200408170506.i7H56MM0029602@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> References: <200408170506.i7H56MM0029602@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <4121D292.1000006@gotnet.net> Jim I have in Loomis California. Karde Jim O'Hagan wrote: >No mail in two days,wonder if I have been "unlisted" by a security update. > > > >Jim O'Hagan > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From welch at ii.net Tue Aug 17 03:28:37 2004 From: welch at ii.net (Charles Welch) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:28:37 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Stover aeroplane ! Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20040817182832.01eb2888@mail.iinet.net.au> Never new Stovers could fly ? http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/StoverFlyingMachine1.jpg http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/StoverFlyingMachine2.jpg Oshkosh, 2004. ;-) From mtucker at uky.edu Tue Aug 17 03:50:25 2004 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:50:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Super 8 room available In-Reply-To: <00d101c481a5$fccb5ef0$210110ac@VAIO> References: <21274-411D5EFF-376@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net> <00d101c481a5$fccb5ef0$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: Howdy all, Well, Steve, Mel, Susan and I enjoyed sleeping together so much last year that we have decided to do it again this year. That puts a room with one double bed up for grabs. The reservation is from Monday August 23 until Sunday August 29. If you would like to take over this reservation, please contact me by noon this coming Friday (August 20). If nobody wants it by that time I will cancel the reservation. See ya', Mike PS. Kelley the Portland Trollop.................not hardly! You've got competition this year that will not be ignored in the judging like they were last year -- _____________________________________________ Susan and Michael Tucker email: mtucker at uky.edu 502 Davistown Road Phone (859) 846-4731 Midway, Kentucky 40347 _____________________________________________ From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 17 03:53:54 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Portland Trollop (and Wannabes) In-Reply-To: References: <21274-411D5EFF-376@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net> <00d101c481a5$fccb5ef0$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: Well, YEE HAW!!! Kelley, I think the gauntlet has just been thrown to the ground!! 8->>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2004, Michael Tucker wrote: > Well, Steve, Mel, Susan and I enjoyed sleeping together so much last > year that we have decided to do it again this year. > PS. Kelley the Portland Trollop.................not hardly! You've > got competition this year that will not be ignored in the judging > like they were last year From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 17 04:47:24 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:47:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Stover aeroplane ! References: <5.1.1.6.2.20040817182832.01eb2888@mail.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4121F04C.3080100@imc-group.com> Charles, Seems more than one has thought of using Stovers in flying machines. This local display, dubbed the "Iraqi flying machine" by its' owner Reggie, uses a CT2 (I think) to power it. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/IraqiAF1.jpg He's done several other creative displays. One is "Goverment", a display of lots of moving links that actually does nothing. And then there is his mobile picnic table..... http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2003/zpicnic.html Thanks for posting your flying Stover picture. It's fun to see how creative some people can be! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Charles Welch wrote: >Never new Stovers could fly ? > > >http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/StoverFlyingMachine1.jpg > >http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/StoverFlyingMachine2.jpg > > >Oshkosh, 2004. > >;-) > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Aermoter at aol.com Mon Aug 16 19:53:42 2004 From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:53:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O/T Christoff's in Russia update Message-ID: <7F21FA6D.78B8F853.006C4EA3@aol.com> Hi all. We are now a family. This morning we went to court (Tuesday morning here, Monday noonish there) and now have 2 very cute little boys in our care. They will be coming home with us in about 8 days. We will arrive back home on the 25th for sure now. More will come later. Tim, Steffani, Nikolai and Yuriy Christoff. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Aug 17 06:08:42 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:08:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland Super 8 room available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200408171308.i7HD8kM0084205@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Well, Steve, Mel, Susan and I enjoyed sleeping together so much last > year that we have decided to do it again this year. Talk like that is gonna give Raj a heart attack and send him into early retirement. Go easy on the poor guy. From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Aug 17 08:23:42 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:23:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover aeroplane ! References: <5.1.1.6.2.20040817182832.01eb2888@mail.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <001e01c4846e$32470280$6b83fb40@3rbys01> I don't know guys, it looks like a Stover coffin top--the PR challenges boggle the mind. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Welch" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 5:28 AM Subject: [SEL] Stover aeroplane ! > > > Never new Stovers could fly ? > > > http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/StoverFlyingMachine1.jpg > > http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/StoverFlyingMachine2.jpg > > > Oshkosh, 2004. > > ;-) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Vivas1993 at aol.com Tue Aug 17 09:23:23 2004 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:23:23 EDT Subject: [SEL] Portland Camping.... Message-ID: Hi folks, I've never been to Portland, thought I'd make it this year but things didn't work out. I'm going to make it next year, gotta get there at least once, and the 40th show seems to like a good time to start ! Any idea on the dates for next year, gonna put in for vacation that week, and going to do it early !! Thanks, Dwight Vivas Petersburg, Va. From glenn.karch at gte.net Tue Aug 17 10:27:45 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:27:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Camping.... References: Message-ID: <000901c4847f$850496c0$36c9e641@oemcomputer> Dwight etal, The dates for next year's Portland show are August 24 to 28. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Camping.... > Hi folks, > I've never been to Portland, thought I'd make it this year but things didn't > work out. > I'm going to make it next year, gotta get there at least once, and the 40th > show seems to like a good time to start ! > Any idea on the dates for next year, gonna put in for vacation that week, > and going to do it early !! > Thanks, > Dwight Vivas > Petersburg, Va. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Aug 17 16:52:36 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:52:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O/T Christoff's in Russia update In-Reply-To: <7F21FA6D.78B8F853.006C4EA3@aol.com> References: <7F21FA6D.78B8F853.006C4EA3@aol.com> Message-ID: <84009C74-F0A8-11D8-89EB-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> That's GREAT! John On Aug 16, 2004, at 10:53 PM, Aermoter at aol.com wrote: > Hi all. We are now a family. This morning we went to court (Tuesday > morning here, Monday noonish there) and now have 2 very cute little > boys in our care. They will be coming home with us in about 8 days. > We will arrive back home on the 25th for sure now. More will come > later. > > Tim, > Steffani, > Nikolai and Yuriy Christoff. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Aug 17 18:57:22 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:57:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project #2 In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040815140833.04583c70@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> References: <1cf.28a0b309.2e50b890@aol.com> <6.0.1.1.2.20040815140833.04583c70@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4122B782.5030405@scrtc.com> I showed some photos a couple of weeks ago of the Miami project. As I mentioned then, I was able to borrow Jerry Toews 6 HP Miami to use for pattern purposes, measurements, etc. What a great friend. The engine was just a bare engine with no skidding, fuel system, etc. I told Jerry that I would deliver the engine back to him in running condition, with a cooling tank, skidding, battery box, fuel system take care of any machine work needed, make repairs needed, etc. Here are some photos of the engine during assembly. I'll post some completed photos soon. Click on the thumbnails and they will enlarge. There is caption info directly under the photo in the center. If you have filters, they may not let you access this site (Epson Photo) unless you turn them off. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=31374063&f= Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From eightcycle at yahoo.com Tue Aug 17 19:12:08 2004 From: eightcycle at yahoo.com (Mike Moloy) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] O/T Christoff's in Russia update In-Reply-To: <7F21FA6D.78B8F853.006C4EA3@aol.com> Message-ID: <20040818021208.61962.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> That's Fantastic news, I am very very happy for you, Steffani, Nickolai and Yuriy. I Look foward to seeing you and your family real soon!!!!! Congratulations, Mike --- Aermoter at aol.com wrote: > Hi all. We are now a family. This morning we went > to court (Tuesday morning here, Monday noonish > there) and now have 2 very cute little boys in our > care. They will be coming home with us in about 8 > days. We will arrive back home on the 25th for sure > now. More will come later. > > Tim, > Steffani, > Nikolai and Yuriy Christoff. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Have a outstanding day, Mike Moloy eightcycle at yahoo.com Blue Springs,Missouri,USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 17 19:27:23 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:27:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T - O.T. Bottlebrush Wood Message-ID: <00b601c484ca$e77a51f0$210110ac@VAIO> I hope if you are reading this it is because you want to as I put in the subject line TWICE that this is an Off Topic Request. This is just a disclaimer for anyone who may be offended by this. Anyway I am looking for a piece of Bottlebrush Wood for a project and I have never heard of this wood before. Just need a piece about 2 to 3" round and maybe a foot long. Where in the world can I find this stuff................maybe Mars of Jupiter? Paul From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Aug 17 19:46:13 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:46:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T - O.T. Bottlebrush Wood In-Reply-To: <00b601c484ca$e77a51f0$210110ac@VAIO> References: <00b601c484ca$e77a51f0$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: Paul, go to Google and type in "Bottlebrush wood," in the quotation marks. Turns up lots of hits. I'd never heard of it before, either. John On Aug 17, 2004, at 10:27 PM, wrote: > I hope if you are reading this it is because you want to as I put in > the > subject line TWICE that this is an Off Topic Request. This is just a > disclaimer for anyone who may be offended by this. > > Anyway I am looking for a piece of Bottlebrush Wood for a project and > I have > never heard of this wood before. Just need a piece about 2 to 3" round > and > maybe a foot long. Where in the world can I find this > stuff................maybe Mars of Jupiter? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 17 19:55:40 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:55:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T - O.T. Bottlebrush Wood References: <00b601c484ca$e77a51f0$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <010801c484ce$db36af20$210110ac@VAIO> Thanks John, I did this and I think I have figured out that this is some kind of shrub or ornamental bush, I kept reading about Bottlebrush Buckeye and was wondering if this is the bush that produces "Buckeyes", those hard little disks about the size of a quarter that is brown in color and has a depression in the center of it. I have seen people with these "Buckeye's" but never knew where they came from. Anyway I am still searching for a piece of this wood, got to be some somewhere, maybe somebody made an engine truck out of it...who knows. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T - O.T. Bottlebrush Wood > Paul, go to Google and type in "Bottlebrush wood," in the quotation > marks. Turns up lots of hits. I'd never heard of it before, either. > > John > > On Aug 17, 2004, at 10:27 PM, wrote: > > > I hope if you are reading this it is because you want to as I put in > > the > > subject line TWICE that this is an Off Topic Request. This is just a > > From falcon at telenet.net Tue Aug 17 20:33:17 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:33:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T - O.T. Bottlebrush Wood References: <00b601c484ca$e77a51f0$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <003101c484d4$1a686940$a35c14d0@net.telenet.net> http://www.sunlightgardens.com/pages/1005.html gives an idea where they are grown, OR buy one and WAAIITTTTT... http://www.windsorplywood.com/nam_hardwoods/yellow_buckeye.html gives some more Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:27 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T - O.T. Bottlebrush Wood > I hope if you are reading this it is because you want to as I put in the > subject line TWICE that this is an Off Topic Request. This is just a > disclaimer for anyone who may be offended by this. > > Anyway I am looking for a piece of Bottlebrush Wood for a project and I have > never heard of this wood before. Just need a piece about 2 to 3" round and > maybe a foot long. Where in the world can I find this > stuff................maybe Mars of Jupiter? > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Tue Aug 17 20:54:40 2004 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:54:40 +0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T - O.T. Bottlebrush Wood References: <00b601c484ca$e77a51f0$210110ac@VAIO> <010801c484ce$db36af20$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <007501c484d7$16e77880$210110ac@service> Hi Paul, I am new to this list, and have not posted anything yet so i thought id have a go. I live in what is known as The great southern region of Western Australia, over here we have a variety of bottlebrush shrubs, i dont know if it the same as your after. The shrubs are called this beacause of the flower shape ie: it looks like a bottlebrush.These shrubs do not grow big enough to be able to make engine transporters etc out off. Chester from WA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T - O.T. Bottlebrush Wood > Thanks John, I did this and I think I have figured out that this is some > kind of shrub or ornamental bush, I kept reading about Bottlebrush Buckeye > and was wondering if this is the bush that produces "Buckeyes", those hard > little disks about the size of a quarter that is brown in color and has a > depression in the center of it. I have seen people with these "Buckeye's" > but never knew where they came from. Anyway I am still searching for a piece > of this wood, got to be some somewhere, maybe somebody made an engine truck > out of it...who knows. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Culp" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:46 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T - O.T. Bottlebrush Wood > > > > Paul, go to Google and type in "Bottlebrush wood," in the quotation > > marks. Turns up lots of hits. I'd never heard of it before, either. > > > > John > > > > On Aug 17, 2004, at 10:27 PM, wrote: > > > > > I hope if you are reading this it is because you want to as I put in > > > the > > > subject line TWICE that this is an Off Topic Request. This is just a > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Aug 17 21:43:45 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:43:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Bottlebrush Wood Message-ID: <20040817.214345.304.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Paul. Here in California we have a decorative tree we call Bottlebrush, it has red flower that look like a bottle brush. Very slow growing, dense, dark reddish-purple wood. I have made some small vases for my wife out of them, very beautiful wood. It is not easy to find, I have some at work but only small pieces. All the large pieces have bark inclusions and split as it dries. I am always looking for more. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:27:23 -0500 writes: > I hope if you are reading this it is because you want to as I put in > the > subject line TWICE that this is an Off Topic Request. This is just > a > disclaimer for anyone who may be offended by this. > > Anyway I am looking for a piece of Bottlebrush Wood for a project > and I have > never heard of this wood before. Just need a piece about 2 to 3" > round and > maybe a foot long. Where in the world can I find this > stuff................maybe Mars of Jupiter? > > Paul From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Aug 17 21:22:12 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:22:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] nat rally Message-ID: <001701c48500$cef3e0c0$140d1bd3@athlon> I received a reply from the nat rally today. I have posted it on Jim's list. If any of you want me to send it to you direct, contact me off list. Thanks. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Aug 18 04:38:14 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:38:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Nat rally In-Reply-To: <001601c48500$b7270b20$140d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <200408181138.i7IBcBM0014050@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> It is good to see the rally committee is willing to listen and reply. They have corrected the one thing which, in particular, offended me which was the one admission per rally entrant. Which I thought seemed pretty stingy. It would be nice if some of the costs could be absorbed by some judicious sponsorship by local businesses as an event of this size will be worth a lot to the local economy but it is often hard to extract money. I still have no decided it I will go but a few people are working on me... Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Here is the reply I got today. What are your thoughts? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 18 06:21:21 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:21:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T - O.T. Bottlebrush Wood References: <00b601c484ca$e77a51f0$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <004401c48526$41572c60$7f658e42@domainnotset.invalid> . Where in the world can I find this > stuff................maybe Mars of Jupiter? > A few tears ago at my place I had one by the shop the ex dug up with a axe , because she thought I was gonna kill it . (NS) It is a common ornamental , and a real hottie as plants go . Whats special about the 12" BB dowel ? Why not ebony or brazilian rosewood ? From dotto at velocitus.net Wed Aug 18 08:09:59 2004 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:09:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project #2 In-Reply-To: <4122B782.5030405@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000501c48535$71981650$01043c0a@DD1BF421> Outstanding work Tommy! Thank you for taking the time to post the pictures. I would like to see some before pictures of "your" engine, do you have any? Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Turner Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 6:57 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Miami Project #2 I showed some photos a couple of weeks ago of the Miami project. As I mentioned then, I was able to borrow Jerry Toews 6 HP Miami to use for pattern purposes, measurements, etc. What a great friend. The engine was just a bare engine with no skidding, fuel system, etc. I told Jerry that I would deliver the engine back to him in running condition, with a cooling tank, skidding, battery box, fuel system take care of any machine work needed, make repairs needed, etc. Here are some photos of the engine during assembly. I'll post some completed photos soon. Click on the thumbnails and they will enlarge. There is caption info directly under the photo in the center. If you have filters, they may not let you access this site (Epson Photo) unless you turn them off. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=31374063&f= Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Wed Aug 18 09:46:31 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:46:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bottlebrush wood Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A701D823B7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Paul, If anyone is going to have it, Paxton Lumber - now known as Paxton the Wood Source in Kansas City MIGHT. Be advised the company has just been sold and is in something of a state of turmoil right now, but here's the phone number: 816-483-0659 Address is 6311 St John Ave Kansas City MO 64123 Good luck. Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Wed Aug 18 09:51:40 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:51:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Reg Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A701D823BC@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> I sent this off list, but got a notice back that I am blacklisted by hotkey. If any of you want me to send it to you direct, contact me off list. Thanks. Reg. Yup - I wanna see this! tnx bhy CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Aug 18 10:38:19 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:38:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engines, not so stationary Message-ID: <200408181738.i7IHcR7f090115@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hiya boys and girls, I just finished working on a batch of pictures from last weekend. There are engines involved, but they're not of the stationary persuasion. Don't worry; if you like the stationary kind, you'll also like this portable kind. http://engines.rustyiron.com/lanevictory If these don't cure your insomnia, when you're finished you can click on "return to the R.I.W." At the top of the "shows" list you'll see some other web stuff that I had been putting off. Sweet dreams. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Aug 18 11:11:27 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:11:27 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Engines, not so stationary References: <200408181738.i7IHcR7f090115@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <000701c4854e$c78bfcc0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Rob, it doesn't work that Url, give us the right one please. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > Hiya boys and girls, > I just finished working on a batch of pictures from last > weekend. There are engines involved, but they're not of > the stationary persuasion. Don't worry; if you like the > stationary kind, you'll also like this portable kind. > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/lanevictory > > If these don't cure your insomnia, when you're finished you > can click on "return to the R.I.W." At the top of the > "shows" list you'll see some other web stuff that I had > been putting off. > > Sweet dreams. > Rob > > > > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Aug 18 11:52:19 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:52:19 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map Message-ID: For those that are headed to Portland, Indiana for the first time I thought this map might be helpful. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/portland_showgrounds.jpg Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Aug 18 12:12:35 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:12:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Engines, not so stationary In-Reply-To: <000701c4854e$c78bfcc0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> References: <200408181738.i7IHcR7f090115@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <000701c4854e$c78bfcc0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <9ga7i0he5trn2n0h6e31nqao8bpkf9n2ba@4ax.com> On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:11:27 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Rob, it doesn't work that Url, give us the right one please. > >John Hammink Works OK for me, John. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Aug 18 12:38:53 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:38:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project #2 In-Reply-To: <000501c48535$71981650$01043c0a@DD1BF421> References: <000501c48535$71981650$01043c0a@DD1BF421> Message-ID: <4123B04D.9090100@scrtc.com> Dave, I did have some but they were on my old computer hard drive and lightning got it about 3 weeks ago. I have a friend trying to see if he can retrieve any of the info off of it. If so, I'll be glad to post them. All there was of the Miami was a base, flywheels, and crankshaft. The front half of the cylinder had been cut off and it had been made into a wood splitter. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Dave Otto wrote: >Outstanding work Tommy! > >Thank you for taking the time to post the pictures. I would like to see >some before pictures of "your" engine, do you have any? > > >Dave > > >Dave Otto >Boise, Idaho > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tommy >Turner >Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 6:57 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Miami Project #2 > >I showed some photos a couple of weeks ago of the Miami project. As I >mentioned then, I was able to borrow Jerry Toews 6 HP Miami to use for >pattern purposes, measurements, etc. What a great friend. The engine >was just a bare engine with no skidding, fuel system, etc. I told Jerry > >that I would deliver the engine back to him in running condition, with a > >cooling tank, skidding, battery box, fuel system take care of any >machine work needed, make repairs needed, etc. Here are some photos of >the engine during assembly. I'll post some completed photos soon. >Click on the thumbnails and they will enlarge. There is caption info >directly under the photo in the center. If you have filters, they may >not let you access this site (Epson Photo) unless you turn them off. > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=31374063&f= > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Aug 18 13:04:36 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:04:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engines, not so stationary Message-ID: <20040818.130437.832.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi John. It worked for me. Nice pictures Rob. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:11:27 +0200 "John Hammink" writes: > Hi Rob, it doesn't work that Url, give us the right one please. > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > Hiya boys and girls, > > I just finished working on a batch of pictures from last > > weekend. There are engines involved, but they're not of > > the stationary persuasion. Don't worry; if you like the > > stationary kind, you'll also like this portable kind. > > > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/lanevictory > > > > If these don't cure your insomnia, when you're finished you > > can click on "return to the R.I.W." At the top of the > > "shows" list you'll see some other web stuff that I had > > been putting off. > > > > Sweet dreams. > > Rob From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Aug 18 13:12:53 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:12:53 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:52:19 +0000, you wrote: >For those that are headed to Portland, Indiana for the first time I thought >this map might be helpful. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/portland_showgrounds.jpg > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA Hi Luke: Have you got a slightly larger view (bigger area) available? Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Aug 18 13:21:13 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:21:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map References: Message-ID: <000601c48560$e9f4b6a0$d2b6f504@x8h7l9> Thank you Luke, I was just looking at a map trying to figure out how to find the show and SEL friends as my e-mail was down loading and up pops your map. You do good work. One question on the Main Road , does it have another name like Rt 27 or 67 or 26?? Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:52 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map > For those that are headed to Portland, Indiana for the first time I thought > this map might be helpful. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/portland_showgrounds.jpg > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA From alanb2 at webtv.net Wed Aug 18 14:04:36 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:04:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Off to Buckley Show and turning off SEL email. Message-ID: <27942-4123C464-8@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net> Howdy Folks, I am off for 4 fun days at the Buckley, Michigan show. I plan on seeing a lot of y'all at the Portland show in about 10 days. I will be on he road just as fast as I can. Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Aug 18 14:04:45 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:04:45 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Engines, not so stationary References: <20040818.130437.832.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <000901c48566$fdbd8170$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Yes Ron, I have seen Kelley it works now. Run my spy&spam machine and it came through. Rob good shots, 8 miles from here is the Dutch Navy harbour, there're plenty of them. See me and my little engine buddy in the middle. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/fleetshow.jpg John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Hi John. It worked for me. Nice pictures Rob. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 18 14:39:37 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:39:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Bottlebrush Wood References: <20040817.214345.304.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <000d01c4856b$de9247e0$210110ac@VAIO> Thanks Ron, I think I may just abandon this search, probably have more luck finding an engine, ha, ha. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 11:43 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Bottlebrush Wood > Hi Paul. > Here in California we have a decorative tree we call Bottlebrush, it has > red flower that look like a bottle brush. Very slow growing, dense, dark > reddish-purple wood. I have made some small vases for my wife out of > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Aug 18 14:40:50 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:40:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map Message-ID: Sure Peter, go to: http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?t=1&s=12&x=840&y=5599&z=16&w=1 then over on the left side of the screen just below the compass, select "map size large" that should bring up the entire area including the incoming road and the horse track where exhibitors, etc park. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =============== >From: Peter A Forbes >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map >Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:12:53 +0100 > >On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:52:19 +0000, you wrote: > > >For those that are headed to Portland, Indiana for the first time I >thought > >this map might be helpful. > > > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/portland_showgrounds.jpg > > > >Luke Tonneberger > >Rockford, Michigan > >USA > >Hi Luke: > >Have you got a slightly larger view (bigger area) available? > >Peter > >-- >Peter & Rita Forbes >diesel at easynet.co.uk >Engine pages for preservation info: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Aug 18 15:19:34 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:19:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engines, not so stationary In-Reply-To: <000701c4854e$c78bfcc0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <200408182219.i7IMJc7f032028@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Hi Rob, it doesn't work that Url, give us the right one please. Hi John, It must be a weak URL signal that peters out somewhere between the UK and the Netherlands. Try it with different syntax: http://www.rustyiron.com/engines/lanevictory/index.html Good luck! Rob From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 18 15:22:03 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:22:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engines, not so stationary References: <200408181738.i7IHcR7f090115@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <006e01c48571$ca5233c0$7f658e42@domainnotset.invalid> so thats where the Vickers ended up Last time I saw here she was hanging from a chain on eBay or somewhere . Did you get the pics Peter sent when he saw the Jeremiah ? The turbines look like those here on the Lexington . a big pile of spray insulation . The rising sun they painted on the flying bridge is STILL there from when they filmed the Pearl Harbor in CC the 20 is really something , and they sent out an interceptr to sink you ? what kind of tour were you guys on ? that is too cool From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Aug 18 13:24:29 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:24:29 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map References: Message-ID: <4123BAFD.000007.02360@NOTEBOOK> HELP Every message I send is too long - - - WHY Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Aug 18 09:18:29 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:18:29 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Miami Project #2 References: <000501c48535$71981650$01043c0a@DD1BF421> Message-ID: <41238155.000001.02044@NOTEBOOK> Hello all I'm new to your list but it looks like an interesting group. I have 5 engines up for sale. I tried posting them here earlier but the post was too long so please e-mail me with ANY questions. carrowor at comcast.net. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Aug 18 16:01:08 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:01:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7DA5C914-F16A-11D8-99F9-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > should bring up the entire area including the incoming road and the > horse track where exhibitors, etc park. Don't forget that you can't drive into the racetrack before Wednesday morning when the show officially opens to the public. There aren't any signs or anybody to warn you away, and the gate's open, but the horsey people get NASTY if you drive in there. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From glenn.karch at gte.net Wed Aug 18 16:10:17 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:10:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project #2 References: <000501c48535$71981650$01043c0a@DD1BF421> <4123B04D.9090100@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002a01c48578$899612a0$5329ea41@oemcomputer> Tommy, Is the Miami one of those two log spittler engines you had loaded on your trailer a few years ago at Coolspring? Was it the one with the wedge on the flywheel? One engine was a Falk as I remember? Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Miami Project #2 > Dave, > > I did have some but they were on my old computer hard drive and > lightning got it about 3 weeks ago. I have a friend trying to see if he > can retrieve any of the info off of it. If so, I'll be glad to post > them. All there was of the Miami was a base, flywheels, and > crankshaft. The front half of the cylinder had been cut off and it had > been made into a wood splitter. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Dave Otto wrote: > > >Outstanding work Tommy! > > > >Thank you for taking the time to post the pictures. I would like to see > >some before pictures of "your" engine, do you have any? > > > > > >Dave > > > > > >Dave Otto > >Boise, Idaho > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tommy > >Turner > >Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 6:57 PM > >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Subject: [SEL] Miami Project #2 > > > >I showed some photos a couple of weeks ago of the Miami project. As I > >mentioned then, I was able to borrow Jerry Toews 6 HP Miami to use for > >pattern purposes, measurements, etc. What a great friend. The engine > >was just a bare engine with no skidding, fuel system, etc. I told Jerry > > > >that I would deliver the engine back to him in running condition, with a > > > >cooling tank, skidding, battery box, fuel system take care of any > >machine work needed, make repairs needed, etc. Here are some photos of > >the engine during assembly. I'll post some completed photos soon. > >Click on the thumbnails and they will enlarge. There is caption info > >directly under the photo in the center. If you have filters, they may > >not let you access this site (Epson Photo) unless you turn them off. > > > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=31374063&f= > > > >Tommy Turner > >Magnolia, KY > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dotto at velocitus.net Wed Aug 18 17:12:24 2004 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:12:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project #2 In-Reply-To: <4123B04D.9090100@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000c01c48581$37baf050$01043c0a@DD1BF421> Bummer, I hope that you are able to recover some or all of your data. You need to find a safer place to live first the tornado and then the lightning trashes your computer. My son recently got back from visiting his grandparents near Paris, on the other side of Lexington from you. He got to see some really good rain storms that we just don't get out here in the west. Dave P.S. Don't give up name plate I'm still going to get them done. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Turner Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 12:39 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Miami Project #2 Dave, I did have some but they were on my old computer hard drive and lightning got it about 3 weeks ago. I have a friend trying to see if he can retrieve any of the info off of it. If so, I'll be glad to post them. All there was of the Miami was a base, flywheels, and crankshaft. The front half of the cylinder had been cut off and it had been made into a wood splitter. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Aug 18 17:35:41 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:35:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - camper question Message-ID: <007801c48584$756c36e0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Since we seem to have more than a handful of folks here who camp on a regular basis, I have a question for the pros........ What is a 2000 Jayco Qwest 23? 24 foot 5th wheel worth? Are they any good? Is 5th wheel worth the extra money, or just "nice to have"? Looking at one - very clean condition, not a lot of use from looks of it. Bill Runnells, IA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Aug 18 19:50:27 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:50:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project #2 In-Reply-To: <002a01c48578$899612a0$5329ea41@oemcomputer> References: <000501c48535$71981650$01043c0a@DD1BF421> <4123B04D.9090100@scrtc.com> <002a01c48578$899612a0$5329ea41@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <41241573.3070406@scrtc.com> No Glenn, the one you remember was a Falk and the other a Field Brundage. I purchased the Field for the Flywheels and the Falk for the sub base and clutch pulley as I have another one the same size. However, after I got the Falk home I ran an ad on Harry's and ended up finding the intake valve cage, exhaust valve cage, governor, water pump, half the carb, and a few other items. It is one of those thats almost too far gone to save but enough there to try to salvage. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky Glenn A Karch wrote: >Tommy, > >Is the Miami one of those two log spittler engines you had loaded on your >trailer a few years ago at Coolspring? Was it the one with the wedge on the >flywheel? One engine was a Falk as I remember? > >Glenn > >Glenn Karch >Haubstadt, IN, USA >Hercules Historian >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tommy Turner" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:38 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Miami Project #2 > > > > >>Dave, >> >> I did have some but they were on my old computer hard drive and >>lightning got it about 3 weeks ago. I have a friend trying to see if he >>can retrieve any of the info off of it. If so, I'll be glad to post >>them. All there was of the Miami was a base, flywheels, and >>crankshaft. The front half of the cylinder had been cut off and it had >>been made into a wood splitter. >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >>Dave Otto wrote: >> >> >> >>>Outstanding work Tommy! >>> >>>Thank you for taking the time to post the pictures. I would like to see >>>some before pictures of "your" engine, do you have any? >>> >>> >>>Dave >>> >>> >>>Dave Otto >>>Boise, Idaho >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tommy >>>Turner >>>Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 6:57 PM >>>To: The SEL email discussion list >>>Subject: [SEL] Miami Project #2 >>> >>>I showed some photos a couple of weeks ago of the Miami project. As I >>>mentioned then, I was able to borrow Jerry Toews 6 HP Miami to use for >>>pattern purposes, measurements, etc. What a great friend. The engine >>>was just a bare engine with no skidding, fuel system, etc. I told Jerry >>> >>>that I would deliver the engine back to him in running condition, with a >>> >>>cooling tank, skidding, battery box, fuel system take care of any >>>machine work needed, make repairs needed, etc. Here are some photos of >>> >>> > > > >>>the engine during assembly. I'll post some completed photos soon. >>>Click on the thumbnails and they will enlarge. There is caption info >>>directly under the photo in the center. If you have filters, they may >>>not let you access this site (Epson Photo) unless you turn them off. >>> >>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=31374063&f= >>> >>>Tommy Turner >>>Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Aug 18 23:12:31 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 07:12:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:40:50 +0000, you wrote: >Sure Peter, go to: > >http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?t=1&s=12&x=840&y=5599&z=16&w=1 > >then over on the left side of the screen just below the compass, select "map >size large" that should bring up the entire area including the incoming road >and the horse track where exhibitors, etc park. > >Luke Tonneberger Thanks, Luke, that did the job! Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From old_iron at msn.com Wed Aug 18 23:45:02 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:45:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] First Ever SEL Eng. site at Baraboo roped off Message-ID: Hello Curt: The new camper is all packed and ready to go, we plan on leaving tomorrow not later than 10:00 and since it is about 4 hours to the Dells, we should see you early tomorrow afternoon. Peg >From: cgandree at mchsi.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] First Ever SEL Eng. site at Baraboo roped off >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:55:21 +0000 > >Hi Dave, >Sounds great, was wondering about the banner and trying to think of some >way >to make one before thursday. We ve got lots of tall trees we can string it >too. You should have no trouble pulling your large engine trailer in place >and disconnecting...hopefully level enough. The water wagon is siting >right >next to our site waiting to dispense all you need...so no hauling buckets. >Looking forward to seeing you guys again. >Curt > > > Spent the day helping the club rope off gas engine alley and we have >are > > very > > > first ever own area roped off. Very easy access for unloading/loading >by > > > truck and trailer,close to food and water,flea market area, relatively > > flat > > > ground, plenty of shade trees and lots of room for extra folks so >bring an > > > engine or two or just stop on by to visit. > > > If you have any questions or need help drop me a line or call. > > > Phone: 815-868-2457 work/home > > > Curt Andree > > > > Hi Curt, > > Arnie and I should get there Thursday evening. I'll have the ATIS >banner > > with me! > > Dave > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From old_iron at msn.com Wed Aug 18 23:54:40 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:54:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O/T Christoff's in Russia update Message-ID: Congrats and a very Happy Birthday I am sure you will have!! Looking forward to seeing you and your new additions next year at Portland. XOXOXOX Peg PS: you could always post some family pics too. >From: Aermoter at aol.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: AMYLAYOTTE at aol.com, Lebailes7 at aol.com, kbeb at swbell.net, >RODUEBASE at aol.com, engbrek at email.msn.com, ignitors at sbcglobal.net, >oldengin at udata.com, hlynd at comcast.net, jlaytham at basehorlibrary.org, >mmoloy at planetkc.com, Gidget_Padgett at mail.usd458.k12.ks.us, >sel at lists.stationary-engine.com, slick at toltbbs.com, rkguncat at aol.com >Subject: [SEL] O/T Christoff's in Russia update >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:53:42 -0400 > >Hi all. We are now a family. This morning we went to court (Tuesday >morning here, Monday noonish there) and now have 2 very cute little boys in >our care. They will be coming home with us in about 8 days. We will >arrive back home on the 25th for sure now. More will come later. > >Tim, >Steffani, >Nikolai and Yuriy Christoff. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Aug 19 03:40:20 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:40:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] First Ever SEL Eng. site at Baraboo roped off Message-ID: <081920041040.25215.351b@mchsi.com> Hi Peg & Bill, A couple of the boys from england called last night from Ohare airport and will be heading my way about 10:00 then we are all off to Baraboo. More then likely we will get there about the same time you do if all goes well. Looks like the damn rain will quit and may be a cool dry weekend...I hope. Better pack your rain gear and longjohns just incase..... ATIS SEL site is right in middle of northern gas alley timber. Look for large roped off area with red signs. looking foward to seein everybody. Curt > Hello Curt: > > The new camper is all packed and ready to go, we plan on leaving tomorrow > not later than 10:00 and since it is about 4 hours to the Dells, we should > see you early tomorrow afternoon. > > Peg > > > >From: cgandree at mchsi.com > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Subject: Re: [SEL] First Ever SEL Eng. site at Baraboo roped off > >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:55:21 +0000 > > > >Hi Dave, > >Sounds great, was wondering about the banner and trying to think of some > >way > >to make one before thursday. We ve got lots of tall trees we can string it > >too. You should have no trouble pulling your large engine trailer in place > >and disconnecting...hopefully level enough. The water wagon is siting > >right > >next to our site waiting to dispense all you need...so no hauling buckets. > >Looking forward to seeing you guys again. > >Curt > > > > Spent the day helping the club rope off gas engine alley and we have > >are > > > very > > > > first ever own area roped off. Very easy access for unloading/loading > >by > > > > truck and trailer,close to food and water,flea market area, relatively > > > flat > > > > ground, plenty of shade trees and lots of room for extra folks so > >bring an > > > > engine or two or just stop on by to visit. > > > > If you have any questions or need help drop me a line or call. > > > > Phone: 815-868-2457 work/home > > > > Curt Andree > > > > > > Hi Curt, > > > Arnie and I should get there Thursday evening. I'll have the ATIS > >banner > > > with me! > > > Dave > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Aug 19 04:13:19 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:13:19 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map Message-ID: Hi Ed, I'm not sure what the name of the road is. It might be N. Morton Rd. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =================== >From: "ED" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map >Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:21:13 -0400 > >Thank you Luke, > >I was just looking at a map trying to figure out how to find the show and >SEL friends as my e-mail was down loading and up pops your map. You do good >work. One question on the Main Road , does it have another name like Rt 27 >or 67 or 26?? > >Ed Stoller >New Fairfield, CT > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Luke Tonneberger" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:52 PM >Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map > > > > For those that are headed to Portland, Indiana for the first time I >thought > > this map might be helpful. > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/portland_showgrounds.jpg > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu Aug 19 06:05:03 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:05:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map References: Message-ID: <4124A57F.C0B1D26E@insulate.co.uk> Hi Luke As I looked wistfully at the picture, I thought for a moment the Yanks had come to their senses and arranged an "Ale Area" within easy access of the SEL area. Bet Arnie was disappointed when he spotted the "S" at the start! Have a great time, everyone. Dolly Luke Tonneberger wrote: > For those that are headed to Portland, Indiana for the first time I thought > this map might be helpful. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/portland_showgrounds.jpg > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From curt at imc-group.com Thu Aug 19 09:31:46 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:31:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland trip report outline Message-ID: <4124D5F2.5080307@imc-group.com> Guys and Gals, 11 year old Devin will be making his second trip to the Portland show this year. Part of his penance for missing a week of school is he has to write a trip report for his class. So I thought I would ask the group what kind of questions/observations about Portland the young fellow should be noting while there. A few come to mind.... How many engines are registered in the show grounds (he should ask the registrars desk)? How many t- t- tractors are on display? How many oilfield engines are on display? How many people are registered as displaying engines? How many countries are represented? How many US states are represented? He should cover: Where Portland is. What Portland is. How / why it started. How the Portland community supports the show. The local schools getting out of school to attend the show one afternoon. His favorite part of the show. How many people he knows at the show. We are looking forward to your suggestions. Thanks, Curt, Missy, & Devin Holland Gastonia, NC From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Aug 19 11:44:25 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:44:25 +0200 Subject: {Spam?} Re: [SEL] Portland trip report outline References: <4124D5F2.5080307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000701c4861c$8e1f51c0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Curt, how many traders there're. Traders are a very importend part of Portland. He could asking around how many thousends of parts there laying in the sun or... mud. Maybe interesting to ask a few well know traders how many travels they do for there living etc etc. Just a thought. Have a great time everyone. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Guys and Gals, > 11 year old Devin will be making his second trip to the Portland show > this year. Part of his penance for missing a week of school is he has to > write a trip report for his class. So I thought I would ask the group > what kind of questions/observations about Portland the young fellow > should be noting while there. A few come to mind.... > > How many engines are registered in the show grounds (he should ask the > registrars desk)? > How many t- t- tractors are on display? > How many oilfield engines are on display? > How many people are registered as displaying engines? > How many countries are represented? > How many US states are represented? > > He should cover: > Where Portland is. > What Portland is. > How / why it started. > How the Portland community supports the show. > The local schools getting out of school to attend the show one afternoon. > His favorite part of the show. > How many people he knows at the show. > > We are looking forward to your suggestions. > Thanks, > Curt, Missy, & Devin Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Aug 19 12:02:33 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:02:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland trip report outline References: <4124D5F2.5080307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001b01c4861f$168f1340$35bff504@x8h7l9> How about the oldest machine at the show? Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "SEL(new)" Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland trip report outline > Guys and Gals, > 11 year old Devin will be making his second trip to the Portland show > this year. Part of his penance for missing a week of school is he has to > write a trip report for his class. So I thought I would ask the group > what kind of questions/observations about Portland the young fellow > should be noting while there. A few come to mind.... > > How many engines are registered in the show grounds (he should ask the > registrars desk)? > How many t- t- tractors are on display? > How many oilfield engines are on display? > How many people are registered as displaying engines? > How many countries are represented? > How many US states are represented? > > He should cover: > Where Portland is. > What Portland is. > How / why it started. > How the Portland community supports the show. > The local schools getting out of school to attend the show one afternoon. > His favorite part of the show. > How many people he knows at the show. > > We are looking forward to your suggestions. > Thanks, > Curt, Missy, & Devin Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pwaugh at mchsi.com Thu Aug 19 12:50:55 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:50:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map References: <000601c48560$e9f4b6a0$d2b6f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <006d01c48625$d783fd80$0300a8c0@paul> Howdy Main St is US 27 ... basically after the 22nd of August just follow the old iron on trailers, prolly can start doing that 50 miles out and they will get you there Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "ED" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map > Thank you Luke, > > I was just looking at a map trying to figure out how to find the show and > SEL friends as my e-mail was down loading and up pops your map. You do good > work. One question on the Main Road , does it have another name like Rt 27 > or 67 or 26?? > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luke Tonneberger" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:52 PM > Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map > > > > For those that are headed to Portland, Indiana for the first time I > thought > > this map might be helpful. > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/portland_showgrounds.jpg > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Aug 19 13:25:46 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:25:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland, Indiana Show Map In-Reply-To: <006d01c48625$d783fd80$0300a8c0@paul> References: <000601c48560$e9f4b6a0$d2b6f504@x8h7l9> <006d01c48625$d783fd80$0300a8c0@paul> Message-ID: <803ai0pu4ucks0vkfg8t9ks4ihd9j55j2m@4ax.com> On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:50:55 -0500, you wrote: >Howdy > >Main St is US 27 ... basically after the 22nd of August just follow the old >iron on trailers, prolly can start doing that 50 miles out and they will get >you there > >Paul Yup, we found it quite easily last year, it is signposted well and is on the outskirts of the North side of Portland, on the left. I seem to remember that the turning for the show site is on a set of lights, you turn left if heading south and follow that to an industrial area, and then turn right to the road that runs through the show area. Car park is on the left, camping etc on the right. The traffic is usually pretty busy, just follow the guys with iron as Paul says. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From ivancou at usachoice.net Thu Aug 19 13:29:15 2004 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:29:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service References: <000f01c48599$129ebd20$0100a8c0@bright.net> Message-ID: <000e01c4862b$33b608a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> What cell phone companies service Portland ? We're looking to replace our current service , and having a phone that works at Portland would be nice ! How about in the area traveling across Ohio to PA from Columbus toward Akron and then over into Pa on I 80 . Thanks , Ivan From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Aug 19 14:58:40 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:58:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland trip report outline In-Reply-To: <4124D5F2.5080307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200408192158.i7JLwjst088812@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > We are looking forward to your suggestions. > Thanks, > Curt, Missy, & Devin Holland How many distinct styles were represented at the beer tasting? Is it true what they say about Amish girls? From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 19 14:33:55 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:33:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland trip report outline References: <4124D5F2.5080307@imc-group.com> <001b01c4861f$168f1340$35bff504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <007801c48639$18198500$7f658e42@domainnotset.invalid> The question i get the most is "WHY?" And the answer is really quite simple . Because it isnt easy . From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Thu Aug 19 17:18:21 2004 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:18:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Shimstock anyone? Message-ID: <016d01c4864b$34a95bc0$53e0a841@ibm22761389857> Subject: My favorite news story of the day!! Bear drinks 36 cans of favorite beer BAKER LAKE, Wash. (AP) - Rain-eeeeer .... Bear? When state Fish and Wildlife agents recently found a black bear passed out on the lawn of Baker Lake Resort, there were some clues scattered nearby - dozens of empty cans of Rainier Beer. The bear apparently got into campers' coolers and used his claws and teeth to puncture the cans. And not just any cans. "He drank the Rainier and wouldn't drink the Busch beer," said Lisa Broxson, bookkeeper at the campground and cabins resort east of Mount Baker. Fish and Wildlife enforcement Sgt. Bill Heinck said the bear did try one can of Busch, but ignored the rest. "He didn't like that (Busch) and consumed, as near as we can tell, about 36 cans of Rainier." A wildlife agent tried to chase the bear from the campground but the animal just climbed a tree to sleep it off for another four hours. Agents finally herded the bear away, but it returned the next morning. Agents then used a large, humane trap to capture it for relocation, baiting the trap with the usual: doughnuts, honey and, in this case, two open cans of Rainier. That did the trick. "This is a new one on me," Heinck said. "I've known them to get into cans, but nothing like this. And it definitely had a preference." From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Thu Aug 19 17:55:08 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:55:08 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] New WA oz member Message-ID: <20040820005508.53562.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com> G'day Chester You'll learn a lot here. The list has I think now 4 members from WA - Exmouth, Albany are 2 I can think off and there's one other at least. I've been to both of those with great memories. Let's know where in the Great Southern you are so I can check if I've been to your home town as well! Cheers Graham in (Melbourne, Oz) Message: 17 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:54:40 +0800 From: "SERVICE" Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T - O.T. Bottlebrush Wood To: "The SEL email discussion list" Message-ID: <007501c484d7$16e77880$210110ac at service> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Paul, I am new to this list, and have not posted anything yet so i thought id have a go. I live in what is known as The great southern region of Western Australia, over here we have a variety of bottlebrush shrubs, i dont know if it the same as your after. The shrubs are called this beacause of the flower shape ie: it looks like a bottlebrush.These shrubs do not grow big enough to be able to make engine transporters etc out off. Chester from WA Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Thu Aug 19 17:58:48 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:58:48 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re:Arnie the Portland Trollop Message-ID: <20040820005848.41647.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com> Arnie, Arnie, Arnie There's no Gauntlet, none at all. We all know that you'd be the instant winner ;-) Graham Oz Message: 3 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:53:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Arnie Fero Subject: [SEL] Re: Portland Trollop (and Wannabes) To: The SEL email discussion list Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, YEE HAW!!! Kelley, I think the gauntlet has just been thrown to the ground!! 8->>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2004, Michael Tucker wrote: > Well, Steve, Mel, Susan and I enjoyed sleeping together so much last > year that we have decided to do it again this year. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Thu Aug 19 18:19:03 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:19:03 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Buying a Foundry Message-ID: <20040820011903.47329.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com> G'day All My son and I went to a sale of house antiques in the suburbs last weekend, looking for engine bits. None there, but there was a complete non-ferrous foundry. I decided that I'd be in it if cheap enough. The outfit was 2 furnaces with burners) one diesel - a fixed pot type, 1 ton weight, other is a portable LP gas unit) crucibles, mould boxes, tools, some green sand and hard sand & resin consumables, a wobbling sifter & sieves, sand mixer and a rolling crusher bowl and a bunch of patterns one of which is a small A/C engine. I'll keep those for future reference. Cost-wise, I think I'll call it the "100 dollar foundry". The furnaces went for 10 each and the rest was 80 only because some bloke wanted the sifter and nothing else, otherwise I'd have got the rest for 10 as well! I don't think anybody knew what the stuff was...I couldn't believe it. I'll start by playing with the sand and making some moulds, then try the furnaces - ye-haa! Cheers Graham (down and dirty in the foundry) Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com Thu Aug 19 18:32:16 2004 From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:32:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service References: <000f01c48599$129ebd20$0100a8c0@bright.net> <000e01c4862b$33b608a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Message-ID: <006f01c48655$879445c0$f1c67040@user> Nextel is absolutely dead, no service. I think the Boss has Sprint or Venison and it works there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivan Cousins" To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:29 PM Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service What cell phone companies service Portland ? We're looking to replace our current service , and having a phone that works at Portland would be nice ! How about in the area traveling across Ohio to PA from Columbus toward Akron and then over into Pa on I 80 . Thanks , Ivan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From markshattuck at ntelos.net Thu Aug 19 19:15:51 2004 From: markshattuck at ntelos.net (Mark L Shattuck) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 22:15:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service References: <000f01c48599$129ebd20$0100a8c0@bright.net><000e01c4862b$33b608a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> <006f01c48655$879445c0$f1c67040@user> Message-ID: <001101c4865b$9d784f70$6401a8c0@markp6023ftphp> What about track phone from wal-mart for 49.95 plus setup fee and buy minutes they say it works in the US coast to coast no contracts etc Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Russell" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > Nextel is absolutely dead, no service. I think the Boss has Sprint or > Venison and it works there. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ivan Cousins" > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:29 PM > Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > > > What cell phone companies service Portland ? We're looking to replace > our current service , and having a phone that works at Portland would be > nice ! How about in the area traveling across Ohio to PA from Columbus > toward Akron and then over into Pa on I 80 . Thanks , Ivan > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Aug 19 19:29:05 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 22:29:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service In-Reply-To: <006f01c48655$879445c0$f1c67040@user> References: <000f01c48599$129ebd20$0100a8c0@bright.net> <000e01c4862b$33b608a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> <006f01c48655$879445c0$f1c67040@user> Message-ID: Yeah, Verizon works there. I'm thoroughly pissed at Verizon for bad customer service and have put them on notice that my contract will not be renewed, though. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From pwaugh at mchsi.com Thu Aug 19 19:44:19 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:44:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service References: <000f01c48599$129ebd20$0100a8c0@bright.net><000e01c4862b$33b608a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7><006f01c48655$879445c0$f1c67040@user> <001101c4865b$9d784f70$6401a8c0@markp6023ftphp> Message-ID: <00a301c4865f$97eaa950$0300a8c0@paul> Hi All near as I can tell, cell phones need towers to work and Portland is not well blessed, verizon will work, I had no luck with cenntial. Since I drive all over the US, I dug into this, truckers are broke into main groups, verizon and ATT, I went to verizon, Utah is dead, but other than that, just small pockets that I have found to be dead .. Paul W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark L Shattuck" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > What about track phone from wal-mart for 49.95 plus setup fee and buy > minutes they say it works in the US coast to coast no contracts etc > Mark > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Russell" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:32 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > > > > Nextel is absolutely dead, no service. I think the Boss has Sprint or > > Venison and it works there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ivan Cousins" > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" > > > Cc: > > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:29 PM > > Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > > > > > > What cell phone companies service Portland ? We're looking to replace > > our current service , and having a phone that works at Portland would be > > nice ! How about in the area traveling across Ohio to PA from Columbus > > toward Akron and then over into Pa on I 80 . Thanks , Ivan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Aug 19 19:51:28 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 22:51:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service In-Reply-To: <00a301c4865f$97eaa950$0300a8c0@paul> References: <000f01c48599$129ebd20$0100a8c0@bright.net><000e01c4862b$33b608a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7><006f01c48655$879445c0$f1c67040@user> <001101c4865b$9d784f70$6401a8c0@markp6023ftphp> <00a301c4865f$97eaa950$0300a8c0@paul> Message-ID: > near as I can tell, cell phones need towers to work and Portland is > not well > blessed, verizon will work, I had no luck with cenntial. Since I > drive all > over the US, I dug into this, truckers are broke into main groups, > verizon > and ATT, I went to verizon, Utah is dead, but other than that, just > small > pockets that I have found to be dead .. They're dead around my shooting range, about the worst place for a dead spot for me. It picks up just enough to show that it's roaming out of the normal service area, but won't connect. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Thu Aug 19 20:35:56 2004 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:35:56 +0800 Subject: [SEL] New WA oz member References: <20040820005508.53562.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007401c48666$cf862e00$210110ac@service> Hi Graham. Im from a inland country town called Katanning.It is the major central town in our area, about 180kms from Albany. I have been collecting & restoring engines for about six years, a lot of engines & tractors around this area went to scrap dealers in the 1960s & 1970s after the power went through, but i am still managing to find some good restorers out there. Chester Smith Katanning Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Harris" To: Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:55 AM Subject: [SEL] New WA oz member > G'day Chester > > You'll learn a lot here. The list has I think now 4 > members from WA - Exmouth, Albany are 2 I can think > off and there's one other at least. I've been to both > of those with great memories. Let's know where in the > Great Southern you are so I can check if I've been to > your home town as well! > > Cheers > > Graham in (Melbourne, Oz) > > > > Message: 17 > Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:54:40 +0800 > From: "SERVICE" > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T - O.T. Bottlebrush Wood > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Message-ID: <007501c484d7$16e77880$210110ac at service> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Paul, > I am new to this list, and have not posted anything > yet so i > thought id have > a go. I live in what is known as The great southern > region of > Western > Australia, over here we have a variety of bottlebrush > shrubs, i > dont know if > it the same as your after. The shrubs are called this > beacause of > the flower > shape ie: it looks like a bottlebrush.These shrubs > do not grow big enough to be able to make engine > transporters etc > out off. > Chester from WA > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From driggars at earthlink.net Thu Aug 19 21:08:38 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:08:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service References: <000f01c48599$129ebd20$0100a8c0@bright.net><000e01c4862b$33b608a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7><006f01c48655$879445c0$f1c67040@user> <001101c4865b$9d784f70$6401a8c0@markp6023ftphp> Message-ID: <00e001c4866b$60054fc0$5d12e204@clinton> I have a trac fone, works great no matter where I have went Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark L Shattuck" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > What about track phone from wal-mart for 49.95 plus setup fee and buy > minutes they say it works in the US coast to coast no contracts etc > Mark > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Russell" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:32 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > > > > Nextel is absolutely dead, no service. I think the Boss has Sprint or > > Venison and it works there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ivan Cousins" > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" > > > Cc: > > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:29 PM > > Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > > > > > > What cell phone companies service Portland ? We're looking to replace > > our current service , and having a phone that works at Portland would be > > nice ! How about in the area traveling across Ohio to PA from Columbus > > toward Akron and then over into Pa on I 80 . Thanks , Ivan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Thu Aug 19 21:10:01 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:10:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service References: <000f01c48599$129ebd20$0100a8c0@bright.net><000e01c4862b$33b608a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7><006f01c48655$879445c0$f1c67040@user> <001101c4865b$9d784f70$6401a8c0@markp6023ftphp> Message-ID: <009201c4866b$90e27780$801117d1@net.telenet.net> trac phone is a JOKE. They have worse coverage than Nextel (AKA next to NONE) For the best coverage you need to look at Verizon and Cingular (they just bought AT&T Wireless). Or spend some BIG money and buy a satellite phone. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark L Shattuck" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > What about track phone from wal-mart for 49.95 plus setup fee and buy > minutes they say it works in the US coast to coast no contracts etc > Mark > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Russell" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:32 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > > > > Nextel is absolutely dead, no service. I think the Boss has Sprint or > > Venison and it works there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ivan Cousins" > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" > > > Cc: > > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:29 PM > > Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > > > > > > What cell phone companies service Portland ? We're looking to replace > > our current service , and having a phone that works at Portland would be > > nice ! How about in the area traveling across Ohio to PA from Columbus > > toward Akron and then over into Pa on I 80 . Thanks , Ivan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Aug 19 21:21:12 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:21:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland In-Reply-To: <00e001c4866b$60054fc0$5d12e204@clinton> References: <000f01c48599$129ebd20$0100a8c0@bright.net><000e01c4862b$33b608a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7><006f01c48655$879445c0$f1c67040@user> <001101c4865b$9d784f70$6401a8c0@markp6023ftphp> <00e001c4866b$60054fc0$5d12e204@clinton> Message-ID: <41257C38.3050003@scrtc.com> I may have missed the info on the SEL. Who is arriving at Portland to rope off the SEL area? Do you need a count of who will be there? If so, count me in. I'll be there early Wed. morning and will have an engine on trucks that will measure about 6' x 10'. See everyone soon. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 19 21:52:49 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:52:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service References: <000f01c48599$129ebd20$0100a8c0@bright.net><000e01c4862b$33b608a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7><006f01c48655$879445c0$f1c67040@user><001101c4865b$9d784f70$6401a8c0@markp6023ftphp> <009201c4866b$90e27780$801117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <004501c48671$8bc868d0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Beware of Cingular, we have never had an account with them but that did not keep them from putting a $430.00 charge for someone elses cell phone on our AT&T bill. It took 37 phone calls and just over 5 months to get the charges removed. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > trac phone is a JOKE. > They have worse coverage than Nextel (AKA next to NONE) For the best > coverage you need to look at > Verizon and Cingular (they just bought AT&T Wireless). Or spend some BIG > money and buy a satellite phone. > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown NY > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark L Shattuck" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 10:15 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > > > > What about track phone from wal-mart for 49.95 plus setup fee and buy > > minutes they say it works in the US coast to coast no contracts etc > > Mark > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Russell" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > > > > > > > Nextel is absolutely dead, no service. I think the Boss has Sprint > or > > > Venison and it works there. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ivan Cousins" > > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" > > > > > Cc: > > > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:29 PM > > > Subject: [SEL] OT ! Portland cell service > > > > > > > > > What cell phone companies service Portland ? We're looking to > replace > > > our current service , and having a phone that works at Portland > would be > > > nice ! How about in the area traveling across Ohio to PA from > Columbus > > > toward Akron and then over into Pa on I 80 . Thanks , Ivan > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 19 23:20:15 2004 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:20:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Buying a Foundry Message-ID: Hi Graham, a nice pick up. keep us informed as how you go with it and let us know of any problems you encounter and the remedys you come up with as this will be quite interesting to some of us who are dabbling in back yard foundering. Dave >From: Graham Harris >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Buying a Foundry >Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:19:03 +1000 (EST) > >G'day All > >My son and I went to a sale of house antiques in the >suburbs last weekend, looking for engine bits. None >there, but there was a complete non-ferrous foundry. I >decided that I'd be in it if cheap enough. The outfit >was 2 furnaces with burners) one diesel - a fixed pot >type, 1 ton weight, other is a portable LP gas unit) >crucibles, mould boxes, tools, some green sand and >hard sand & resin consumables, a wobbling sifter & >sieves, sand mixer and a rolling crusher bowl and a >bunch of patterns one of which is a small A/C engine. >I'll keep those for future reference. > >Cost-wise, I think I'll call it the "100 dollar >foundry". The furnaces went for 10 each and the rest >was 80 only because some bloke wanted the sifter and >nothing else, otherwise I'd have got the rest for 10 >as well! I don't think anybody knew what the stuff >was...I couldn't believe it. I'll start by playing >with the sand and making some moulds, then try the >furnaces - ye-haa! > >Cheers > >Graham (down and dirty in the foundry) > > > >Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. >http://au.movies.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Searching for that dream home? Try http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au for all your property needs. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Aug 19 15:11:07 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:11:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland trip report outline References: <4124D5F2.5080307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001501c48692$caf641a0$21121bd3@athlon> When he is done, put the result up for us all to see. There are a lot of those questions I would like to know the answers to as well. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "SEL(new)" Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 2:31 AM Subject: [SEL] Portland trip report outline > Guys and Gals, > 11 year old Devin will be making his second trip to the Portland show > this year. Part of his penance for missing a week of school is he has to > write a trip report for his class. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Aug 20 02:08:40 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:08:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Buying a Foundry References: <20040820011903.47329.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004401c48695$4caa6120$21121bd3@athlon> When ya get it all sorted and you are an expert, I need some stuff made!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Harris" To: Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 11:19 AM Subject: [SEL] Buying a Foundry > G'day All > > My son and I went to a sale of house antiques in the > suburbs last weekend, looking for engine bits. None > there, but there was a complete non-ferrous foundry. I > decided that I'd be in it if cheap enough. The outfit > was 2 furnaces with burners) one diesel - a fixed pot > type, 1 ton weight, other is a portable LP gas unit) > crucibles, mould boxes, tools, some green sand and > hard sand & resin consumables, a wobbling sifter & > sieves, sand mixer and a rolling crusher bowl and a > bunch of patterns one of which is a small A/C engine. > I'll keep those for future reference. > > Cost-wise, I think I'll call it the "100 dollar > foundry". The furnaces went for 10 each and the rest > was 80 only because some bloke wanted the sifter and > nothing else, otherwise I'd have got the rest for 10 > as well! I don't think anybody knew what the stuff > was...I couldn't believe it. I'll start by playing > with the sand and making some moulds, then try the > furnaces - ye-haa! > > Cheers > > Graham (down and dirty in the foundry) > > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mtucker at uky.edu Fri Aug 20 08:05:32 2004 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:05:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland trip report outline In-Reply-To: <4124D5F2.5080307@imc-group.com> References: <4124D5F2.5080307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: >We are looking forward to your suggestions. >Thanks, >Curt, Missy, & Devin Holland Curt, How 'bout furthest distance traveled in the US to get there? Furthest distance from another country? How far did he travel to get there and through which states? Oldest engine that he see's? How many spectators do they expect to come through the gates per day and for the entire show? I bet from a director he could get that info and info concerning the economic impact on the city of Portland. See ya', Mike PS. Although Rob's suggestions are good and may even be considered "need to know information," I'm not sure that the answers should be included in the report! -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From curt at imc-group.com Fri Aug 20 08:30:38 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:30:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland trip report outline References: <4124D5F2.5080307@imc-group.com> <001501c48692$caf641a0$21121bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <4126191E.7020506@imc-group.com> Reg, No doubt you are looking for answers to the questions about the Amish girls! Didn't you manage to cuddle a few of these gals while visiting? :-) Curt Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: >There are a lot of questions I would like to know the answers to. > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Aug 20 08:41:27 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:41:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland trip report outline References: <4124D5F2.5080307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <41261BA7.6060704@imc-group.com> Mike, Not even the part where we let him sample the beer? Think DSS would let this slide? You are probably correct about the Amish girls. Time to teach him about discretion, ya know, don't kiss and tell..... Curt Michael Tucker wrote: >> We are looking forward to your suggestions. >> Thanks, >> Curt, Missy, & Devin Holland > > > Curt, > > How 'bout furthest distance traveled in the US to get there? Furthest > distance from another country? How far did he travel to get there and > through which states? Oldest engine that he see's? How many > spectators do they expect to come through the gates per day and for > the entire show? I bet from a director he could get that info and > info concerning the economic impact on the city of Portland. > > See ya', > Mike > > PS. Although Rob's suggestions are good and may even be considered > "need to know information," I'm not sure that the answers should be > included in the report! From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Fri Aug 20 14:08:04 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:08:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Devin at Portland Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A701E1A3A8@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >We are looking forward to your suggestions. >Thanks, >Curt, Missy, & Devin Holland >Gastonia, NC Curt, Have him ask why the hell school starts in the middle of summer. Well, maybe not in those words, but a good question, nonetheless. Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Fri Aug 20 14:15:48 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:15:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] cell phone Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A701E1A3C7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >Yeah, Verizon works there. I'm thoroughly pissed at Verizon for bad >customer service and have put them on notice that my contract will not >be renewed, though. >John Culp John, If it works, don't jump before you know the alternative works. )*()^# Sprint works within about 100 feet of an interstate, usually but not always. Get off that and it's analog roam at over 90 cents a minute, if anything at all works. It won't even work in my own house. There should be - and I hear will be next year - legal provision that lets you try it for a certain amount of time to find out if it meets your needs, without finding yourself in a multi-year contract to do so. If this comes about, some of them (all of them?) will HAVE to shape up. Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Fri Aug 20 17:40:05 2004 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:40:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Buying a Foundry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It is certainly a good buy, I had about $300 in my furnice because I used a commercial refractory, of course I made everything else... Does anyone on here have any experience in pouring cast iron? Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ On Fri, 20 Aug 2004, David Nicolson wrote: > Hi Graham, a nice pick up. keep us informed as how you go with it and let us > know of any problems you encounter and the remedys you come up with as this > will be quite interesting to some of us who are dabbling in back yard > foundering. Dave > > > >From: Graham Harris > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >Subject: [SEL] Buying a Foundry > >Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:19:03 +1000 (EST) > > > >G'day All > > > >My son and I went to a sale of house antiques in the > >suburbs last weekend, looking for engine bits. None > >there, but there was a complete non-ferrous foundry. I > >decided that I'd be in it if cheap enough. The outfit > >was 2 furnaces with burners) one diesel - a fixed pot > >type, 1 ton weight, other is a portable LP gas unit) > >crucibles, mould boxes, tools, some green sand and > >hard sand & resin consumables, a wobbling sifter & > >sieves, sand mixer and a rolling crusher bowl and a > >bunch of patterns one of which is a small A/C engine. > >I'll keep those for future reference. > > > >Cost-wise, I think I'll call it the "100 dollar > >foundry". The furnaces went for 10 each and the rest > >was 80 only because some bloke wanted the sifter and > >nothing else, otherwise I'd have got the rest for 10 > >as well! I don't think anybody knew what the stuff > >was...I couldn't believe it. I'll start by playing > >with the sand and making some moulds, then try the > >furnaces - ye-haa! > > > >Cheers > > > >Graham (down and dirty in the foundry) > > > > > > > >Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > >http://au.movies.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Searching for that dream home? Try http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au for > all your property needs. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 20 16:04:52 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:04:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New WA oz member References: <20040820005508.53562.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com> <007401c48666$cf862e00$210110ac@service> Message-ID: <005c01c4870a$1f0ec1a0$726c8e42@domainnotset.invalid> a lot of engines & tractors around this area > went to scrap dealers in the 1960s & 1970s after the power went through, but > i am still managing to find some good restorers out there. > Chester Smith > the price of scrap over the last few months didnt do em any good either No dice so far but I have been paying regular visits to the local pile Its amazing how much stuff was moving there at the beginning Welcome aboard Chester Chuck From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Fri Aug 20 17:29:00 2004 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:29:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Buying a Foundry Message-ID: G'day Graham, Sounds like a great buy to me mate--well done. Casting is the last frontier for us engineheads. Most of us fabricate, machine and do all other kinds of things to get our engines restored but to be able to cast items as well is the ultimate. A good friend of mine has built a very good LP fired furnace and has done bronze bearings in it. Please keep us all informed of your progress. Any chance of some pics of you purchase mate. Good luck in the foundry. Regards, Lyndsay . >From: Graham Harris >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Buying a Foundry >Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:19:03 +1000 (EST) > >G'day All > >My son and I went to a sale of house antiques in the >suburbs last weekend, looking for engine bits. None >there, but there was a complete non-ferrous foundry. I >decided that I'd be in it if cheap enough. The outfit >was 2 furnaces with burners) one diesel - a fixed pot >type, 1 ton weight, other is a portable LP gas unit) >crucibles, mould boxes, tools, some green sand and >hard sand & resin consumables, a wobbling sifter & >sieves, sand mixer and a rolling crusher bowl and a >bunch of patterns one of which is a small A/C engine. >I'll keep those for future reference. > >Cost-wise, I think I'll call it the "100 dollar >foundry". The furnaces went for 10 each and the rest >was 80 only because some bloke wanted the sifter and >nothing else, otherwise I'd have got the rest for 10 >as well! I don't think anybody knew what the stuff >was...I couldn't believe it. I'll start by playing >with the sand and making some moulds, then try the >furnaces - ye-haa! > >Cheers > >Graham (down and dirty in the foundry) > > > >Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. >http://au.movies.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Find love today with ninemsn personals. Click here: http://ninemsn.match.com?referrer=hotmailtagline From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Fri Aug 20 17:36:55 2004 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:36:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New WA oz member Message-ID: Welcome Chester, Good to hear we have another OZ member on board. I am sure you will enjoy the list. They are a great bunch of people and always willing to help each other. Kind Regards, Lyndsay in VIC >From: "SERVICE" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] New WA oz member >Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:35:56 +0800 > > >Hi Graham. >Im from a inland country town called Katanning.It is the major central town >in our area, about 180kms from Albany. I have been collecting & restoring >engines for about six years, a lot of engines & tractors around this area >went to scrap dealers in the 1960s & 1970s after the power went through, >but >i am still managing to find some good restorers out there. >Chester Smith >Katanning >Western Australia > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Graham Harris" >To: >Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:55 AM >Subject: [SEL] New WA oz member > > > > G'day Chester > > > > You'll learn a lot here. The list has I think now 4 > > members from WA - Exmouth, Albany are 2 I can think > > off and there's one other at least. I've been to both > > of those with great memories. Let's know where in the > > Great Southern you are so I can check if I've been to > > your home town as well! > > > > Cheers > > > > Graham in (Melbourne, Oz) > > > > > > > > Message: 17 > > Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:54:40 +0800 > > From: "SERVICE" > > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T - O.T. Bottlebrush Wood > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > > Message-ID: <007501c484d7$16e77880$210110ac at service> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Hi Paul, > > I am new to this list, and have not posted anything > > yet so i > > thought id have > > a go. I live in what is known as The great southern > > region of > > Western > > Australia, over here we have a variety of bottlebrush > > shrubs, i > > dont know if > > it the same as your after. The shrubs are called this > > beacause of > > the flower > > shape ie: it looks like a bottlebrush.These shrubs > > do not grow big enough to be able to make engine > > transporters etc > > out off. > > Chester from WA > > > > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ In the market for a car? Buy, sell or browse at CarPoint: http://server-au.imrworldwide.com/cgi-bin/b?cg=link&ci=ninemsn&tu=http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au?refid=hotmail_tagline From ivancou at usachoice.net Fri Aug 20 20:01:18 2004 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:01:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: [AT] OT ! Portland cell service References: <20040820135419.70803.qmail@web40614.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003a01c4872b$22cb2a60$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Thanks for the input ! After dinner tonight I took the wife along ,did I mention this was her idea to begin with , and we went to the phone store . Verizon seems to have the best comments so they got a big chunk of my parts money that was reserved for Portland . Now for the learning curve to figure out how to work the @#% thing . Oh wait , turn the book over ,the other side is in English ! whew ! BTW what language is this : Manual del Usuario Spanish ? Ivan From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Aug 20 15:40:41 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 08:40:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland trip report outline References: <4124D5F2.5080307@imc-group.com><001501c48692$caf641a0$21121bd3@athlon> <4126191E.7020506@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001e01c4875d$c009ea00$4a121bd3@athlon> Most of em I saw there were too butt ugly!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 1:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland trip report outline > Reg, > No doubt you are looking for answers to the questions about the Amish girls! > Didn't you manage to cuddle a few of these gals while visiting? :-) > Curt > > Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > > >There are a lot of questions I would like to know the answers to. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Aug 21 14:25:32 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 07:25:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] For Helen Message-ID: <001501c487c5$683c35e0$3c0d1bd3@athlon> Still not getting through. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > ... Deferred > Message could not be delivered for 5 days > Message will be deleted from queue > From pwaugh at mchsi.com Sat Aug 21 15:41:08 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 17:41:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT .. cell phone References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A701E1A3C7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: <002b01c487cf$f39d7860$0300a8c0@paul> John you must have got hold of bad one, remember you live in the mountains, and rest of world does not, yeah I get pissed at there little man that says, 'can you hear me now' ,, but wife has centennial and I will take verizon any day, oh Portland has 4 bars of service and I can surf the net with verizon at Portland, .. customer service has been great with problem solving, I just can not use it at my house ha-ha Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Younger" To: Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 4:15 PM Subject: [SEL] cell phone > >Yeah, Verizon works there. I'm thoroughly pissed at Verizon for bad > >customer service and have put them on notice that my contract will not > >be renewed, though. > > >John Culp > > John, > If it works, don't jump before you know the alternative works. )*()^# > Sprint works within about 100 feet of an interstate, usually but not > always. Get off that and it's analog roam at over 90 cents a minute, if > anything at all works. It won't even work in my own house. > There should be - and I hear will be next year - legal provision that > lets you try it for a certain amount of time to find out if it meets > your needs, without finding yourself in a multi-year contract to do so. > If this comes about, some of them (all of them?) will HAVE to shape up. > > Bruce Younger > Lenexa, Kansas USA > mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: > > This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From yostsw at atis.net Sat Aug 21 16:58:55 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:58:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Arnie In-Reply-To: <001501c487c5$683c35e0$3c0d1bd3@athlon> References: <001501c487c5$683c35e0$3c0d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <200408211958550859.2B17E48D@heavyiron.atis.net> Do the folks on the list know whether Has Arnie Fero gone to Portland or is he still at home and will possibly see an email I sent him a little while ago? Spencer From avanti_64 at juno.com Sat Aug 21 17:30:49 2004 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (Joe Kelley) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:30:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Arnie Message-ID: <20040821.203052.-492259.0.avanti_64@juno.com> Spencer, I think he and Dave Rotigel are at Portland.. Joe Kelley On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:58:55 -0400 "Spencer Yost" writes: > Do the folks on the list know whether Has Arnie Fero gone to Portland > or is > he still at home and will possibly see an email I sent him a little > while > ago? > > Spencer > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From bercar at shenhgts.net Sat Aug 21 17:58:00 2004 From: bercar at shenhgts.net (Bernie) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:58:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] williams grove In-Reply-To: <200408211958550859.2B17E48D@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Anyone know when the sale is at williams grove in mechanicsburg PA????? Thanks Bernie From glenn.karch at gte.net Sat Aug 21 18:35:15 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:35:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Arnie References: <001501c487c5$683c35e0$3c0d1bd3@athlon> <200408211958550859.2B17E48D@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <001301c487e8$48842a00$ba29ea41@oemcomputer> Spencer, Dave and Arnie have gone to Baraboo, WI this week end if I remember correctly. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spencer Yost" To: Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 6:58 PM Subject: [SEL] Arnie > Do the folks on the list know whether Has Arnie Fero gone to Portland or is > he still at home and will possibly see an email I sent him a little while > ago? > > Spencer > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sat Aug 21 17:20:54 2004 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:20:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Arnie In-Reply-To: <200408211958550859.2B17E48D@heavyiron.atis.net> References: <001501c487c5$683c35e0$3c0d1bd3@athlon> <200408211958550859.2B17E48D@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040821192033.01ee9e70@mail.herculesengines.com> I think he and Dave are at Baraboo. Keith At 06:58 PM 8/21/2004, you wrote: >Do the folks on the list know whether Has Arnie Fero gone to Portland or is >he still at home and will possibly see an email I sent him a little while >ago? > >Spencer > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From skipl at montana.com Sat Aug 21 20:23:09 2004 From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:23:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] williams grove References: Message-ID: <4128119C.36F8E134@montana.com> it used to be on saturday years ago. skip in nw montana Bernie wrote: > Anyone know when the sale is at williams grove in mechanicsburg PA????? > > Thanks > > Bernie > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pwaugh at mchsi.com Sat Aug 21 20:44:19 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:44:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Arnie References: <001501c487c5$683c35e0$3c0d1bd3@athlon> <200408211958550859.2B17E48D@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <001301c487fa$4e233340$0300a8c0@paul> I did not see them as of 2:00 today at Portland Paul W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spencer Yost" To: Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 6:58 PM Subject: [SEL] Arnie > Do the folks on the list know whether Has Arnie Fero gone to Portland or is > he still at home and will possibly see an email I sent him a little while > ago? > > Spencer > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Aug 22 01:52:00 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:52:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Arnie References: <001501c487c5$683c35e0$3c0d1bd3@athlon> <200408211958550859.2B17E48D@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <009d01c48825$8b65f960$3c0d1bd3@athlon> Mate, I reckon they are ALL away at shows now. And I flamin wish I was there too!!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spencer Yost" To: Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: [SEL] Arnie > Do the folks on the list know whether Has Arnie Fero gone to Portland or is > he still at home and will possibly see an email I sent him a little while > ago? > > Spencer > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pwaugh at mchsi.com Sun Aug 22 05:34:39 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 07:34:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Arnie References: <001501c487c5$683c35e0$3c0d1bd3@athlon><200408211958550859.2B17E48D@heavyiron.atis.net> <009d01c48825$8b65f960$3c0d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <002001c48844$6803a700$0300a8c0@paul> We are thinking of you .. NEXT YEAR!! I can get on line down there , so will post updates hahaha Paul W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 3:52 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie > Mate, I reckon they are ALL away at shows now. And I flamin wish I was there > too!!!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Spencer Yost" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 9:58 AM > Subject: [SEL] Arnie > > > > Do the folks on the list know whether Has Arnie Fero gone to Portland or > is > > he still at home and will possibly see an email I sent him a little while > > ago? > > > > Spencer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From wmrohrer at myactv.net Sun Aug 22 07:23:36 2004 From: wmrohrer at myactv.net (Mike Rohrer) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:23:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Williams grove In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200408221423.i7MENfst070234@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> It's the Saturday before Labor Day. It starts around 8:00 AM Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, MD -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bernie Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 8:58 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] williams grove Anyone know when the sale is at williams grove in mechanicsburg PA????? Thanks Bernie _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bercar at shenhgts.net Sun Aug 22 07:34:27 2004 From: bercar at shenhgts.net (Bernie) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:34:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Williams grove In-Reply-To: <200408221423.i7MENfst070234@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: mike, the 4th???? -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Mike Rohrer Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 10:24 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] Williams grove It's the Saturday before Labor Day. It starts around 8:00 AM Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, MD -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bernie Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 8:58 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] williams grove Anyone know when the sale is at williams grove in mechanicsburg PA????? Thanks Bernie _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bercar at shenhgts.net Sun Aug 22 07:34:27 2004 From: bercar at shenhgts.net (Bernie) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:34:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] williams grove In-Reply-To: <4128119C.36F8E134@montana.com> Message-ID: Skip, Im taking a guess that its the 4th, but i want to know for sure, and i want to know for sure if there will even be a sale. Dont want to go prepared to buy and find out i missed it or there not having it. Thanks Bernie -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of skip landis Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 11:23 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] williams grove it used to be on saturday years ago. skip in nw montana Bernie wrote: > Anyone know when the sale is at williams grove in mechanicsburg PA????? > > Thanks > > Bernie > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From yostsw at atis.net Sun Aug 22 08:39:20 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 11:39:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Arnie In-Reply-To: <002001c48844$6803a700$0300a8c0@paul> References: <001501c487c5$683c35e0$3c0d1bd3@athlon> <200408211958550859.2B17E48D@heavyiron.atis.net> <009d01c48825$8b65f960$3c0d1bd3@athlon> <002001c48844$6803a700$0300a8c0@paul> Message-ID: <200408221139200359.0049A2C4@heavyiron.atis.net> Thanks to all, I appreciate the info. I have left a message for Arnie on his phone. Spencer From namhel at supernet.com Sun Aug 22 13:53:41 2004 From: namhel at supernet.com (LYNN LEHMAN) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:53:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] williams grove Message-ID: <410-220048022205341639@supernet.com> Bernie, Go to www.williamsgrovesteam.org From namhel at supernet.com Sun Aug 22 14:05:27 2004 From: namhel at supernet.com (LYNN LEHMAN) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:05:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] williams grove Message-ID: <410-22004802221527654@supernet.com> It is sat sept 4 @ 8:00 From wmrohrer at myactv.net Sun Aug 22 15:15:49 2004 From: wmrohrer at myactv.net (Mike Rohrer) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:15:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Williams grove In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200408222215.i7MMFvst065616@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Yes it is the 4th it starts at 8:00 AM. Come early to look. They will run up to 5 auctioneers at one time. I will be there Saturday for the sale Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, MD -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bernie Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 10:34 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Williams grove mike, the 4th???? -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Mike Rohrer Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 10:24 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] Williams grove It's the Saturday before Labor Day. It starts around 8:00 AM Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, MD -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bernie Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 8:58 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] williams grove Anyone know when the sale is at williams grove in mechanicsburg PA????? Thanks Bernie _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rexhinz at chorus.net Sun Aug 22 15:45:48 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:45:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Arnie References: <001501c487c5$683c35e0$3c0d1bd3@athlon><200408211958550859.2B17E48D@heavyiron.atis.net><009d01c48825$8b65f960$3c0d1bd3@athlon><002001c48844$6803a700$0300a8c0@paul> <200408221139200359.0049A2C4@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <001701c48899$c63cbe60$2486a5d8@mycomputer> Hey Spencer ; Arnie.and Dave should be on their way to Portland soon they were going to leave Baraboo Sunday afternoon Aug. 22 nd, We had a good time at the Badger Show, We had a Special ATIS area roped off ,got to meet Dave , Arnie,Spencer and Steve Miller from the list also the show was very successful and a great time Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spencer Yost" To: Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie > Thanks to all, I appreciate the info. I have left a message for Arnie on > his phone. > > Spencer > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Sun Aug 22 20:47:57 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:47:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] cell phone In-Reply-To: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A701E1A3C7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: <004001c488c3$febc73a0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> You already, by law, have 3 business days to cancel. Better than nuttin'. >>have put them on notice that my contract will not >be renewed, though.<< Get real - you REALLY think they CARE? The big nationals don't give a rat's behind. Just like the big banks. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Younger Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 4:16 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] cell phone >Yeah, Verizon works there. I'm thoroughly pissed at Verizon for bad >customer service and have put them on notice that my contract will not >be renewed, though. >John Culp John, If it works, don't jump before you know the alternative works. )*()^# Sprint works within about 100 feet of an interstate, usually but not always. Get off that and it's analog roam at over 90 cents a minute, if anything at all works. It won't even work in my own house. There should be - and I hear will be next year - legal provision that lets you try it for a certain amount of time to find out if it meets your needs, without finding yourself in a multi-year contract to do so. If this comes about, some of them (all of them?) will HAVE to shape up. Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Aug 23 07:28:17 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:28:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] cell phone In-Reply-To: <004001c488c3$febc73a0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> References: <004001c488c3$febc73a0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: >>> have put them on notice that my contract will not >> be renewed, though.<< > > Get real - you REALLY think they CARE? > The big nationals don't give a rat's behind. Just like the big banks. Yeah, I know that. I also remember how, when Jane and I went to the store to see if we could add a couple of phones for the kids phones onto our Verizon contract ( they said we couldn't and had to take out a new one) I inquired about cancelling the one-phone contract I already had and taking out a new one to cover three. They had changed our one-year contract we thought we'd signed to a 2-year one. The guy said he'd "try to work it out" with his "bosses in Florida." He was having a great time on the phone with them, cutting up and laughing at us. A real bastard. And of course, he'd "tried everything, but they just couldn't help us." As for the notification, it's required. If you don't give them a written notice of nonrenewal, I believe it's 90 days before expiration, they'll automatically renew your contract. That's what had happened to us before. So I'd've had to pay a whopping termination fee. And the phone I've got broke a hinge and can't be repaired. They just want to sell me a new one at full price. I don't care if the phone service isn't as good, I don't want to deal with Verizon any more. They're dishonest and evil. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Mon Aug 23 08:09:48 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:09:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Butt Ugly Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A701E1A687@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>>Most of em I saw there were too butt ugly!! >>>Reg & Marg Ingold. In reference to the above, Reg, do you not have a light switch, or a puff of breath to blow out a candle? Our secretary insists that handsome is just a light switch away. Darn Portland week - we will have to entertain ourselves. I should not let it amuse me so, but a year or two back in northern Missouri, up 'tween me and Twin, there was a fatality at a high school graduation party. Not unusual, unfortunately - a lad got liquored up and drove into a pond and died. We in the English world are used to it, but this was an Amish lad who rode his horse into the pond... Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 23 13:08:49 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:08:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] cell phone References: <004001c488c3$febc73a0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <001101c4894d$01d57530$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Hi John, we have had just the opposite experiance here, Verizon couldn't be any better, unless it was free :) I think your problem lies with your local store. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] cell phone >>>> have put them on notice that my contract will not >>> be renewed, though.<< >> >> Get real - you REALLY think they CARE? >> The big nationals don't give a rat's behind. Just like the big banks. > > Yeah, I know that. I also remember how, when Jane and I went to the store > to see if we could add a couple of phones for the kids phones onto our > Verizon contract ( they said we couldn't and had to take out a new one) I > inquired about cancelling the one-phone contract I already had and taking > out a new one to cover three. They had changed our one-year contract we > thought we'd signed to a 2-year one. The guy said he'd "try to work it > out" with his "bosses in Florida." He was having a great time on the phone > with them, cutting up and laughing at us. A real bastard. And of course, > he'd "tried everything, but they just couldn't help us." As for the > notification, it's required. If you don't give them a written notice of > nonrenewal, I believe it's 90 days before expiration, they'll > automatically renew your contract. That's what had happened to us before. > So I'd've had to pay a whopping termination fee. And the phone I've got > broke a hinge and can't be repaired. They just want to sell me a new one > at full price. I don't care if the phone service isn't as good, I don't > want to deal with Verizon any more. They're dishonest and evil. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Aug 23 15:18:05 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:18:05 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Butt Ugly References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A701E1A687@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: <00ab01c489b6$3e749f20$07111bd3@athlon> > In reference to the above, Reg, do you not have a > light switch, or a puff of breath to blow out a candle? > Our secretary insists that handsome is just a light > switch away. Yes mate but, the sun comes up in the morning and I dont want to gnaw my arm off to avoid waking her!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Aug 24 05:17:46 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:17:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! Message-ID: <9BB5D684-F5C7-11D8-96EB-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> I'm sorry I'm missing the Portland show, but it's really worked out for the best that I'm still here. Had to take Jane to the ER with abdominal pain last night and was there all night with her while she got lots of tests. She's admitted to a surgeon I respect highly. He's keeping an eye on her; doesn't look like she's going under the knife, but will probably be in at least another day. Hope y'all have fun up there! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Aug 24 06:57:56 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:57:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! References: <9BB5D684-F5C7-11D8-96EB-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: Give her our best wishes, John!!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 6:17 AM Subject: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! > I'm sorry I'm missing the Portland show, but it's really worked out for > the best that I'm still here. Had to take Jane to the ER with abdominal > pain last night and was there all night with her while she got lots of > tests. She's admitted to a surgeon I respect highly. He's keeping an > eye on her; doesn't look like she's going under the knife, but will > probably be in at least another day. Hope y'all have fun up there! > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Aug 24 08:52:49 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:52:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! In-Reply-To: References: <9BB5D684-F5C7-11D8-96EB-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: Thanks, Rick! John On Aug 24, 2004, at 9:57 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > Give her our best wishes, John!!! > > RickinMt. > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Culp" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 6:17 AM > Subject: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! > > >> I'm sorry I'm missing the Portland show, but it's really worked out >> for >> the best that I'm still here. Had to take Jane to the ER with >> abdominal >> pain last night and was there all night with her while she got lots of >> tests. She's admitted to a surgeon I respect highly. He's keeping an >> eye on her; doesn't look like she's going under the knife, but will >> probably be in at least another day. Hope y'all have fun up there! >> >> John Culp >> Bristol, Tennessee, USA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From don.h at wcoil.com Tue Aug 24 10:29:16 2004 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:29:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! References: <9BB5D684-F5C7-11D8-96EB-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <000501c489ff$e1d2a240$6401a8c0@shop> Looks like some one was on you side Bro John Hope the boss gets home real soon She been eating to much of that hot stuff out of the garden.I,m not at portland its too much walking for me when the aurthor kicks up which seems to be all the time. Have the Harley for sale just cant ride it to far with my hip driveing me crazy so I guess it means FOR SALE maybe a new guitar would help the aurthor hi hi Tell everyone to get well Don in Ohio I have a air colled LIster Desel for sale if you no anyone interested would even trade for another toy ?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 8:17 AM Subject: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! > I'm sorry I'm missing the Portland show, but it's really worked out for > the best that I'm still here. Had to take Jane to the ER with abdominal > pain last night and was there all night with her while she got lots of > tests. She's admitted to a surgeon I respect highly. He's keeping an > eye on her; doesn't look like she's going under the knife, but will > probably be in at least another day. Hope y'all have fun up there! > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From BillMil357 at aol.com Tue Aug 24 10:39:02 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:39:02 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! Message-ID: <55.5f9037c2.2e5cd736@aol.com> HI John; Sorry about Jane, hope she gets back on her feet real soon and will be praying for her. See ya, Bill Miller Memphis, TN. From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 24 14:10:07 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:10:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! References: <9BB5D684-F5C7-11D8-96EB-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <000c01c48a1e$bc7f2e40$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Hi John, best of luck to Jane , as it turns out, the decision not to go to Portland has worked out well for Jen and I as well. Sunday morning, Jen's father Bill passed away, he was 87 and will be sorely missed. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 7:17 AM Subject: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! > I'm sorry I'm missing the Portland show, but it's really worked out for > the best that I'm still here. Had to take Jane to the ER with abdominal > pain last night and was there all night with her while she got lots of > tests. She's admitted to a surgeon I respect highly. He's keeping an eye > on her; doesn't look like she's going under the knife, but will probably > be in at least another day. Hope y'all have fun up there! > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Aug 24 16:39:30 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:39:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! In-Reply-To: <000c01c48a1e$bc7f2e40$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <9BB5D684-F5C7-11D8-96EB-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <000c01c48a1e$bc7f2e40$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: Thank you all for the kind thoughts and prayers for Jane. She seemed to be getting better today and the surgeon considered letting her go home around suppertime, but she ran a bit of fever, started hurting again and is spending another night at least. Ted, I'm sorry to hear about Jennifer's dad. I'll pray for y'all. Don, I've still got my Harley for sale. This is race weekend in Bristol, so maybe some rich, slightly intoxicated racegoer'll decide he's just gotta have it right now, hang the cost! I'm not really in the market for bikes or guitars right now, but am building up a collection of well used old European milsurp rifles. a Turkish M38 Mauser's due to arrive tomorrow, and danged if Century Arms didn't just E-mail to let me know they're about to have some Turkish 1893s and 1903s for sale shortly. ARRRGH! Jane's been rubbing it in lately about how I could've been a cardiologist... John From mrengine at comcast.net Tue Aug 24 17:44:56 2004 From: mrengine at comcast.net (mrengine at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:44:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Banner engine Message-ID: <082520040044.4102.412BE1080003D5CE0000100622007507840A020709020A9D03@comcast.net> Who made the Banner engines? Thanks Frank From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 24 18:28:42 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:28:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Weather? Message-ID: <00d801c48a42$de001b00$210110ac@VAIO> Is there anyone that lives in Portland or close to Portland that can give me a weather report, I am leaving early in the morning heading that way. Paul From skipl at montana.com Tue Aug 24 19:45:30 2004 From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:45:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Banner engine References: <082520040044.4102.412BE1080003D5CE0000100622007507840A020709020A9D03@comcast.net> Message-ID: <412BFD4A.8A334376@montana.com> my guess would be waterloo. mrengine at comcast.net wrote: > Who made the Banner engines? Thanks Frank > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From asouth at strato.net Tue Aug 24 19:38:01 2004 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:38:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Images of Hurricane Charlie's Handy Work. Message-ID: <00bb01c48a4c$8b22d580$1c22d7cc@Arthur> Hello folks, To see some pictures of Hurricane Charlie's handy work on bro. Don's place and my place, click on the URL below. Charlie caused me to miss Portland, *&&^%$$# ! try this URL http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mr_nocatee/album?.dir=cf1d&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mr_nocatee/my_photos If this one doesn't work for you, try http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee, then look for the album named "Charlie's aftermath", double click on it and you should be able to view 90 images. I'll admit up front, my damage wasn't as bad as some. But, it was devastating to me. Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From pwaugh at mchsi.com Tue Aug 24 20:17:16 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:17:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Weather? References: <00d801c48a42$de001b00$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <000701c48a52$0ae88b20$a6d990a6@PaulLaptop> I am at Portland .. should start raining anytime and 40% for next 2-3 days .. a wet Portland, imagine that Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland Weather? > Is there anyone that lives in Portland or close to Portland that can give me > a weather report, I am leaving early in the morning heading that way. > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Aug 24 20:26:25 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:26:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Weather? Message-ID: <20040824.233052.880.8.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Paul, Go to www.weather.com and punch in 47371 zip code. Portland, IN 76?F Mostly CloudyFeels Like 78?F UV Index:0 Low Dew Point:70?F Humidity:82% Visibility:10.0 meters Pressure:29.97 inches and falling Wind:From the South at 13.9 kts Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:28:42 -0500 writes: > Is there anyone that lives in Portland or close to Portland that can > give me > a weather report, I am leaving early in the morning heading that > way. > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Aug 24 20:35:35 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:35:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - another question.... Message-ID: <00b001c48a54$9891bb70$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Sort of engine related, I suppose. First, thanks to all who responded on the camper question. After talking with friends and the comments from the list members, looks like we'll wait until spring and go for a non-5th wheel hitch camper. As was mentioned, where would I put anything on the trip over or back if using it for a show? And we found that if you watch for "show specials" and such, one can buy new for not a lot more than used. So we're going to pass on this one for sale up the road, nice as it is. We'll wait. On to the next question. 11 LARGE dump-truck loads of dirt/clay later and looking for probably 7 or 8 more, I'm getting the back yard built up a bit. Goal - fill the "swamp" and make a good place to park stuff like trailers, etc. and my wife says "why not put yourself up a building while you are at it and this time don't make it too small". Much of the dirt work was done using my JD 425 lawn tractor with a home-made front blade. Took about 8 hours and 3 or 4 tanks of gas and some welding of the blade brackets a few times, but getting there. Neighbor borrowed a 4010 JD with a rear blade and helped tonight. The only thing - what sort of building should I be considering? Now the timing is quite a ways off - at least a year, but need to decide a size and type so I know how to prepare the site. I figure probably about 24' x 24', Barbara says to build it with a large overhang on the east side to put my steel wheels, horse drawn mower and such under out of the rain. There is a nice metal building with such an overhang, what do you call the barn-style roof - gambrel or whatever? Should it be a Wood or metal building? Roof type? Hip or other? Building the site up good so it will stay dry - when it rains hard we take on about a half mile's worth of rain water from the fields to the east of us - it turns the back yard into a creek. Also need to tile......... So far the "pad" and drive extension is about 4 to 5 feet high off the yard. That clay/dirt packs hard! Once you drive on it a blade won't touch it. Will probably move the tractor (F20) to the new area, put Barbara's eventual Model A in the main garage where the F20 is now. Lawn and garden stuff will go there, making more room for my engines and shop stuff. May put the big Chapman out there when it's done (if I ever get it done!) This is taking a LOT of dirt - possibly up to 20 loads, plus black dirt later to taper it off and plant grass. Bill Runnells, IA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 24 20:48:45 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:48:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Weather? References: <00d801c48a42$de001b00$210110ac@VAIO> <000701c48a52$0ae88b20$a6d990a6@PaulLaptop> Message-ID: <010f01c48a56$6ef35d80$210110ac@VAIO> Thanks Paul, what would Portland be without the rain? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Weather? >I am at Portland .. should start raining anytime and 40% for next 2-3 days > .. a wet Portland, imagine that > > Paul > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Stationary Engine List" > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 8:28 PM > Subject: [SEL] Portland Weather? > > >> Is there anyone that lives in Portland or close to Portland that can give > me >> a weather report, I am leaving early in the morning heading that way. >> >> Paul >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 24 20:52:47 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:52:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Weather? References: <20040824.233052.880.8.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <012301c48a56$feee30e0$210110ac@VAIO> Thanks Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Weather? > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Aug 25 02:31:29 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:31:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Weather? References: <00d801c48a42$de001b00$210110ac@VAIO><000701c48a52$0ae88b20$a6d990a6@PaulLaptop> <010f01c48a56$6ef35d80$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <008f01c48a86$50ebd4e0$6e0d1bd3@athlon> Dry?? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Weather? > Thanks Paul, what would Portland be without the rain? > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:17 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Weather? > > > >I am at Portland .. should start raining anytime and 40% for next 2-3 days > > .. a wet Portland, imagine that > > > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "Stationary Engine List" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 8:28 PM > > Subject: [SEL] Portland Weather? > > > > > >> Is there anyone that lives in Portland or close to Portland that can give > > me > >> a weather report, I am leaving early in the morning heading that way. > >> > >> Paul > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pwaugh at mchsi.com Wed Aug 25 03:53:11 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 05:53:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Update References: <00d801c48a42$de001b00$210110ac@VAIO><000701c48a52$0ae88b20$a6d990a6@PaulLaptop> <010f01c48a56$6ef35d80$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <002f01c48a91$bbc2bfd0$68c390a6@PaulLaptop> Howdy We did not get wet!!! .. storm got within 50 mi and just blew up, disappeared, gut anther on way for later today .. campground is full in our area, with prolly 15-16 of us in here, and then there are the motel bunch, I would safely say there are 25 here so far .. Jimmy Dunmyer, Dave, Arnie, Steve Weber, Briceson, Kevin, Leroy, hell can't list them all .. I know I went to bed at 11 and 'camp talk' was still going .. John, hope all goes well with Jane have a great day Paul W ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Weather? > Thanks Paul, what would Portland be without the rain? > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:17 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Weather? > > > >I am at Portland .. should start raining anytime and 40% for next 2-3 days > > .. a wet Portland, imagine that > > > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "Stationary Engine List" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 8:28 PM > > Subject: [SEL] Portland Weather? > > > > > >> Is there anyone that lives in Portland or close to Portland that can give > > me > >> a weather report, I am leaving early in the morning heading that way. > >> > >> Paul > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Aug 25 04:48:33 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:48:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Banner engine References: <082520040044.4102.412BE1080003D5CE0000100622007507840A020709020A9D03@comcast.net> Message-ID: <004501c48a99$7494ba70$9ae031d2@km> G'Day Frank The BRB list of engine manufactures (at back of book) lists Banner Engine Co Lansing Mich, but shows no pictures Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines > Who made the Banner engines? Thanks Frank From asouth at strato.net Wed Aug 25 04:54:50 2004 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:54:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Charlie's Handy work Message-ID: <002901c48a9a$5499d1a0$2422d7cc@Arthur> Hello list, I sent this yesterday to Slick, SEL & Tractor lists. The only one I received it on was the tractor list. Anyone have any ideas as to why I can't post to Slick ? I receive the messages of others on Slick. ???? Hello folks, To see some pictures of Hurricane Charlie's handy work on bro. Don's place and my place, click on the URL below. Charlie caused me to miss Portland, *&&^%$$# ! try this URL http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mr_nocatee/album?.dir=cf1d&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mr_nocatee/my_photos If this one doesn't work for you, try http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee, then look for the album named "Charlie's aftermath", double click on it and you should be able to view 90 images. I'll admit up front, my damage wasn't as bad as some. But, it was devastating to me. Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Aug 25 05:14:44 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:14:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Charlie's Handy work References: <002901c48a9a$5499d1a0$2422d7cc@Arthur> Message-ID: <00e501c48a9d$1c075e40$9ae031d2@km> G'Day Arthur I have just finished looking at the pictures that I think were posted to .Org list did not see them of Slick or SEL. Glad we don't get Hurricanes like that over this side of the pond, hope you family got out of it OK. Sorry no Idea Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines > Hello list, > I sent this yesterday to Slick, SEL & Tractor lists. The only one I received it on was the tractor list. Anyone have any ideas as to why I can't post to Slick ? I receive the messages of others on Slick. ???? > > > Hello folks, > > To see some pictures of Hurricane Charlie's handy work on bro. Don's place and my place, click on the URL below. Charlie caused me to miss Portland, *&&^%$$# ! > > > > try this URL > > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mr_nocatee/album?.dir=cf1d&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mr_nocatee/my_photos > > > > If this one doesn't work for you, try http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee, then look for the album named "Charlie's aftermath", double click on it and you should be able to view 90 images. I'll admit up front, my damage wasn't as bad as some. But, it was devastating to me. > From burnoil at hotmail.com Wed Aug 25 06:35:59 2004 From: burnoil at hotmail.com (Burnoil) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:35:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OIL ENGINE Message-ID: could any one tell me whot an oil engine is? 1 the fuel? 2 the year or years? 3 the types of engine? if any one can tell me about this you guys could thanks burnoil From siberianhusky2003 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 25 08:39:42 2004 From: siberianhusky2003 at hotmail.com (big dog) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:39:42 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Banner engine Message-ID: Hi have an engine i think it is a banner .Do u have a pic of one .Im not sure what it is,any help would be great . Thanks Paul >From: "Kerry" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Banner engine >Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:48:33 +1000 > >G'Day Frank > >The BRB list of engine manufactures (at back of book) lists Banner Engine >Co >Lansing Mich, but shows no pictures > > > >Kerry Morris >Lithgow NSW OZ > >Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 > >Friends in Engines > > > > > > Who made the Banner engines? Thanks Frank > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out! From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 25 15:02:09 2004 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:02:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bad week Message-ID: Hi John, best of luck to Jane , as it turns out, the decision not to go to Portland has worked out well for Jen and I as well. Sunday morning, Jen's father Bill passed away, he was 87 and will be sorely missed. Art's storm damage... My heart goes out to all of you. John, take care of Jane - Ted and Jennifer, take care of each other. Art - at a loss. I hope no one was injured. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Lenexa, KS sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From asouth at strato.net Wed Aug 25 15:30:07 2004 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:30:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Charlie's Handy work References: <002901c48a9a$5499d1a0$2422d7cc@Arthur> <00e501c48a9d$1c075e40$9ae031d2@km> Message-ID: <006c01c48af3$137139d0$7022d7cc@Arthur> Thanks Kerry. Art Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Charlie's Handy work > G'Day Arthur > I have just finished looking at the pictures that I think were posted to > .Org list did not see them of Slick or SEL. Glad we don't get Hurricanes > like that over this side of the pond, hope you family got out of it OK. > Sorry no Idea > > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow NSW OZ > > Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 > > Friends in Engines > > > > Hello list, > > I sent this yesterday to Slick, SEL & Tractor lists. The only one I > received it on was the tractor list. Anyone have any ideas as to why I can't > post to Slick ? I receive the messages of others on Slick. ???? > > > > > > Hello folks, > > > > To see some pictures of Hurricane Charlie's handy work on bro. Don's place > and my place, click on the URL below. Charlie caused me to miss Portland, > *&&^%$$# ! > > > > > > > > try this URL > > > > > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mr_nocatee/album?.dir=cf1d&.src=ph&store=&prod id=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mr_nocatee/my_photos > > > > > > > > If this one doesn't work for you, try http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee, > then look for the album named "Charlie's aftermath", double click on it and > you should be able to view 90 images. I'll admit up front, my damage wasn't > as bad as some. But, it was devastating to me. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From doug11k at hotmail.com Wed Aug 25 18:50:18 2004 From: doug11k at hotmail.com (Douglas Kimball) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:50:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Banner engine Message-ID: Frank, Could be a Waterloo engine. Disk flywheel Lausons were also re-badged as Banners. >From: mrengine at comcast.net >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Banner engine >Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:44:56 +0000 > >Who made the Banner engines? Thanks Frank >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Aug 26 05:31:25 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:31:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OIL ENGINE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200408261232.i7QCW05m076671@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> The term "Oil Engine" (in Oz and the UK) usually refers to engines burning low grade fuels such as kerosene. They are usually hot-bulb type engines and they were common from around 1900 to the 1920s. Good examples here in Oz are Austral, Hornsby and Blackstone. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- could any one tell me whot an oil engine is? 1 the fuel? 2 the year or years? 3 the types of engine? if any one can tell me about this you guys could thanks burnoil From kerogas at the-i.net Fri Aug 20 10:08:39 2004 From: kerogas at the-i.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:08:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cumbria Steam Fair References: <002501c47406$cb21c3f0$06856ad5@one> Message-ID: <002401c48b82$0aa03f60$6e6c8e42@domainnotset.invalid> Hey Croft ......... what is the story with fred the engine man , man I need one of those in my garden From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Aug 26 13:40:32 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:40:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Cumbria Steam Fair References: <002501c47406$cb21c3f0$06856ad5@one> <002401c48b82$0aa03f60$6e6c8e42@domainnotset.invalid> Message-ID: <000601c48bac$eeb399c0$0f856ad5@zen> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cumbria Steam Fair > Hey Croft ......... what is the story with fred the engine man , > man I need one of those in my garden Hi Chuck, Flookburgh show is famous for giving the best mementos to exhibitors in Britain. I have sent all my previous examples to the ATIS auction & they have gone for a good price. Unfortunately my wife has fell in love with Fred & won't let me give him away. Fred weighs 2 Pounds & sits on the shelf in the living room. If I can buy one left over I will send him to next years auction. Dave Croft From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Thu Aug 26 16:34:29 2004 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OIL ENGINE In-Reply-To: <200408261232.i7QCW05m076671@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <20040826233429.11822.qmail@web52602.mail.yahoo.com> And the Rosebery/Buzacott Oil Engines. Patrick M Livingstone wrote: The term "Oil Engine" (in Oz and the UK) usually refers to engines burning low grade fuels such as kerosene. They are usually hot-bulb type engines and they were common from around 1900 to the 1920s. Good examples here in Oz are Austral, Hornsby and Blackstone. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- could any one tell me whot an oil engine is? 1 the fuel? 2 the year or years? 3 the types of engine? if any one can tell me about this you guys could thanks burnoil _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Cheers! NICK Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web! "He who sees the other first already has half the victory." Erich Hartmann "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt" Hans Rudel --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Aug 26 18:01:39 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:01:39 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Help Message-ID: <412E87F3.000003.03908@NOTEBOOK> Can someone explain how to time an economy 5hp ignitor style engine??? Bob From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Aug 26 18:34:54 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:34:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves Message-ID: <20040826.213500.600.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Guys (If anyone not at Portland is out there.) Today I decided to take the valves out of a Briggs Model "Y". Reason - Cannot figure why I can't get this thing to start. The valves are held in with pretty hefty springs and 2 little half circle keepers on each valve stem. My question - - - What kind of valve spring compressor might I use on this engine ? I have about every tool imaginable but when it comes to valve springs - Nada ! I guess I could use a "plier" type compressor but have no idea where to find one. Haven't tried the local NAPA dealer yet but I don't want to spend much on the tool. Suggestions ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net Thu Aug 26 18:36:28 2004 From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:36:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! In-Reply-To: <9BB5D684-F5C7-11D8-96EB-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> References: <9BB5D684-F5C7-11D8-96EB-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <412E901C.6080903@zoominternet.net> John, I hope all works out. Ed John Culp wrote: > I'm sorry I'm missing the Portland show, but it's really worked out > for the best that I'm still here. Had to take Jane to the ER with > abdominal pain last night and was there all night with her while she > got lots of tests. She's admitted to a surgeon I respect highly. He's > keeping an eye on her; doesn't look like she's going under the knife, > but will probably be in at least another day. Hope y'all have fun up > there! > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Aug 26 18:35:52 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:35:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Help Message-ID: <20040826.183553.1468.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Bob. Do you want to know which bolts to loosen, or how many degrees before TDC for it to fire? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:01:39 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Bob Jacobs" writes: > Can someone explain how to time an economy 5hp ignitor style > engine??? > > Bob From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Aug 26 18:43:18 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:43:18 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves References: <20040826.213500.600.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <412E91B6.000009.03908@NOTEBOOK> Hi Joe, Last time I needed a valve spring tool I went to auto-zone. They have a rental" policy. You buy the tool but can return it for a full refund. The other thing I've done is pack the cylinder with cotton or nylon rope, this allowed the valve to be stopped without damage while still allowing me to use a homemade fork tool to compress the spring with. It's a little clumsy but did the job. Now if only I can figure out how to set this mag and the timing on my engine I'd fell lots smarter. LOL Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/26/04 21:34:58 To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves Hi Guys (If anyone not at Portland is out there.) Today I decided to take the valves out of a Briggs Model "Y". Reason - Cannot figure why I can't get this thing to start. The valves are held in with pretty hefty springs and 2 little half circle keepers on each valve stem. My question - - - What kind of valve spring compressor might I use on this engine ? I have about every tool imaginable but when it comes to valve springs - Nada ! I guess I could use a "plier" type compressor but have no idea where to find one. Haven't tried the local NAPA dealer yet but I don't want to spend much on the tool. Suggestions ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Aug 26 18:46:02 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:46:02 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Help References: <20040826.183553.1468.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <412E925A.00000B.03908@NOTEBOOK> Hello Ron, Pretty much need to start from scratch. The mag was DEAD 30 years ago. Today I got a new mag and bolted it up. Found the "SPARK" mark on the flywheel but don't know anything other than that. Never messed with this one before so I'm out in the dark on it and really want to hear the old girl fire up. Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/26/04 21:40:53 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Help Hi Bob. Do you want to know which bolts to loosen, or how many degrees before TDC for it to fire? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:01:39 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Bob Jacobs" writes: > Can someone explain how to time an economy 5hp ignitor style > engine??? > > Bob _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From b2 at chooka.net Thu Aug 26 18:48:59 2004 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:48:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves References: <20040826.213500.600.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <001901c48bd8$06239ad0$660aa8c0@BILLPC> I don't know where to tell you to look for a compressor for this engine, but I have improvised on this type of engine with a pair of open end wrenches. 11/16 seems about right in my mind's eye, stick them both between the valve keeper washer and the engine block. Then pry them apart enough to force a fulcrum in between them; maybe a 3/8 bolt, again I'm kind of guessing, YMMV. That will allow you to squeeze the wrenches together forcing the end of the wrenches in the engine apart and compressing the valve spring. Kind of frustrating, you'll need to hold your tongue just right and chose your words carefully, but this should do it. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, Minnesota USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 8:34 PM Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves > Hi Guys (If anyone not at Portland is out there.) > > Today I decided to take the valves out of a Briggs Model "Y". > Reason - Cannot figure why I can't get this thing to start. > > The valves are held in with pretty hefty springs and 2 little half circle > keepers on each valve stem. > > My question - - - What kind of valve spring compressor might I use on > this engine ? > > I have about every tool imaginable but when it comes to valve springs - > Nada ! > I guess I could use a "plier" type compressor but have no idea where to > find one. > > Haven't tried the local NAPA dealer yet but I don't want to spend much on > the tool. > > Suggestions ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - > \/)"(\/ but only half as long." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jbcast at charter.net Thu Aug 26 18:58:56 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 1:58:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves Message-ID: <3a6eho$6usb73@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> > Today I decided to take the valves out of a Briggs Model "Y". > Reason - Cannot figure why I can't get this thing to start. > > The valves are held in with pretty hefty springs and 2 little half circle > keepers on each valve stem. > > My question - - - What kind of valve spring compressor might I use on > this engine ? > Joe, I've done many of these with two screwdrivers. Pry the spring up with the screwdrivers while holding the valve down, let one go, the retaining washer will cock, but usually you'll have enough room to install the keepers. A little grease and a screwdriver will help with the keepers. J.B. Castagnos Not In Portland From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net Thu Aug 26 19:03:30 2004 From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:03:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] cell phone In-Reply-To: <001101c4894d$01d57530$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> References: <004001c488c3$febc73a0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> <001101c4894d$01d57530$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Message-ID: <412E9672.1020303@zoominternet.net> I have Nextel and, so far haven't had any problem out of it. Yes, some dead spots exist, but my dropped calls are not nearly as bad as they were with verison. Ed Ted Brookover wrote: > Hi John, we have had just the opposite experiance here, Verizon > couldn't be any better, unless it was free :) > > I think your problem lies with your local store. > > Ted Brookover > 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. > Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 > 816-763-3142 > ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm > > This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 9:28 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] cell phone > > >>>>> have put them on notice that my contract will not >>>> >>>> be renewed, though.<< >>> >>> >>> Get real - you REALLY think they CARE? >>> The big nationals don't give a rat's behind. Just like the big banks. >> >> >> Yeah, I know that. I also remember how, when Jane and I went to the >> store to see if we could add a couple of phones for the kids phones >> onto our Verizon contract ( they said we couldn't and had to take out >> a new one) I inquired about cancelling the one-phone contract I >> already had and taking out a new one to cover three. They had changed >> our one-year contract we thought we'd signed to a 2-year one. The guy >> said he'd "try to work it out" with his "bosses in Florida." He was >> having a great time on the phone with them, cutting up and laughing >> at us. A real bastard. And of course, he'd "tried everything, but >> they just couldn't help us." As for the notification, it's required. >> If you don't give them a written notice of nonrenewal, I believe it's >> 90 days before expiration, they'll automatically renew your contract. >> That's what had happened to us before. So I'd've had to pay a >> whopping termination fee. And the phone I've got broke a hinge and >> can't be repaired. They just want to sell me a new one at full price. >> I don't care if the phone service isn't as good, I don't want to deal >> with Verizon any more. They're dishonest and evil. >> >> John Culp >> Bristol, Tennessee, USA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Aug 26 19:35:31 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:35:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves References: <20040826.213500.600.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <003a01c48bde$870a0d40$176ce004@x8h7l9> I got a nice small engine valve spring compressor from FoleyBelsaw.com wholesale catalog . Weather was great at Portland today. The ground was dry. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 9:34 PM Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves > Hi Guys (If anyone not at Portland is out there.) > > Today I decided to take the valves out of a Briggs Model "Y". > Reason - Cannot figure why I can't get this thing to start. > > The valves are held in with pretty hefty springs and 2 little half circle > keepers on each valve stem. > > My question - - - What kind of valve spring compressor might I use on > this engine ? > > I have about every tool imaginable but when it comes to valve springs - > Nada ! > I guess I could use a "plier" type compressor but have no idea where to > find one. > > Haven't tried the local NAPA dealer yet but I don't want to spend much on > the tool. > > Suggestions ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - > \/)"(\/ but only half as long." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > From jdohagan at comcast.net Thu Aug 26 19:43:34 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:43:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves In-Reply-To: <3a6eho$6usb73@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <200408270243.i7R2hdcK012642@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi This little trick has worked for me a hundred times on auto engines with this style keeper.Set a deep socket with the same dia. as the retainer on top of the retainer and swat it with a hammer. If you are careful it releases the keepers and you 'll find them in the socket. Good Luck Jimmy O' Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jbcast at charter.net Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 6:59 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Briggs Valves > Today I decided to take the valves out of a Briggs Model "Y". > Reason - Cannot figure why I can't get this thing to start. > > The valves are held in with pretty hefty springs and 2 little half circle > keepers on each valve stem. > > My question - - - What kind of valve spring compressor might I use on > this engine ? > Joe, I've done many of these with two screwdrivers. Pry the spring up with the screwdrivers while holding the valve down, let one go, the retaining washer will cock, but usually you'll have enough room to install the keepers. A little grease and a screwdriver will help with the keepers. J.B. Castagnos Not In Portland _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Aug 26 19:46:07 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:46:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Help Message-ID: <20040826.194607.1372.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Bob. The only information I can give is to have the mag trip 5? before TDC for each 100 rpm that the engine is running. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Aug 26 20:02:32 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:02:32 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Help References: <20040826.194607.1372.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <412EA448.000001.01460@NOTEBOOK> Okie Dokie, Thanks for the iinfo, that's 100% more info than I had a minute ago. It's just been too many years since I've had to re-time anything this size and it s been in the garage since 1969 waiting. Finally excavated it and gotta get it running. LOL I just signed on here and had some problems with my firewall not letting me post. I'm a retired (and really tired) cross country trucker who finally has the time to work on these engines once again. I sold some off last week just cause I can't wrestle the heavy iron around any more but am keeping a couple to play with. My dad and I collected them for years, and some of you may know dad, Wayne D Jacobs as he was at a lot of the shows exhibiting and selling IHC Literature. Anyhow, thanks again. If anybody has any specifics on what to adjust and/or how to adjust it I'm open to all suggestions. Right now it appears to be firing at TDC but just a very short stroke on the mag. I don't know if it's even turning the mag enough to generate a spark but I'll re-tackle it in the am. Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/26/04 22:53:41 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Help Bob. The only information I can give is to have the mag trip 5? before TDC for each 100 rpm that the engine is running. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marvhed at ecenet.com Thu Aug 26 20:29:52 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (marv) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:29:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (OT sorta) looking for an oil bath air cleaner to use on a waukesha ICK References: <20040826.194607.1372.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <412EA448.000001.01460@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <002a01c48be6$1e3427d0$b7d63d40@dell14> this will be used on a panther crawler. the updraft carb has a 1 1/8" inlet diameter and i will use a flex hose. would one from a cub work? thanks, marv in minn From driggars at earthlink.net Thu Aug 26 20:56:07 2004 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:56:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves References: <200408270243.i7R2hdcK012642@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <01a901c48be9$c9267c80$1e1be204@clinton> Jim I used to watch my Grandpa do it this way when I was a little fellow! Clint > > Hi This little trick has worked for me a hundred times on auto engines with > this style keeper.Set a deep socket with the same dia. as the retainer on > top of the retainer and swat it with a hammer. If you are careful it > releases the keepers and you 'll find them in the socket. Good Luck Jimmy > O' > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > jbcast at charter.net > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 6:59 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Briggs Valves > > > > Today I decided to take the valves out of a Briggs Model "Y". > > Reason - Cannot figure why I can't get this thing to start. > > > > The valves are held in with pretty hefty springs and 2 little half circle > > keepers on each valve stem. > > > > My question - - - What kind of valve spring compressor might I use on > > this engine ? > > > Joe, I've done many of these with two screwdrivers. Pry the spring up with > the screwdrivers while holding the valve down, let one go, the retaining > washer will cock, but usually you'll have enough room to install the > keepers. A little grease and a screwdriver will help with the keepers. > J.B. Castagnos > Not In Portland > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Aermoter at aol.com Thu Aug 26 21:16:14 2004 From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:16:14 EDT Subject: [SEL] cell phone Message-ID: In a message dated 8/26/2004 9:07:53 PM Central Daylight Time, edward.tabor at zoominternet.net writes: I don't want to deal >> with Verizon any more. They're dishonest and evil True John, but what big company is not dishonest and evil? The richer they get the less they care, just like a politician. Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. Aermoter at aol.com From old_iron at msn.com Fri Aug 27 00:45:07 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:45:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! Message-ID: Sorry to hear about Jane, hope everything turns out OK. You both will be in our prayers. Bill & Peg Pfeiffer >From: John Culp >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Glad I stayed home! Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:39:30 >-0400 > >Thank you all for the kind thoughts and prayers for Jane. > >She seemed to be getting better today and the surgeon considered letting >her go home around suppertime, but she ran a bit of fever, started hurting >again and is spending another night at least. > >Ted, I'm sorry to hear about Jennifer's dad. I'll pray for y'all. > >Don, I've still got my Harley for sale. This is race weekend in Bristol, so >maybe some rich, slightly intoxicated racegoer'll decide he's just gotta >have it right now, hang the cost! > >I'm not really in the market for bikes or guitars right now, but am >building up a collection of well used old European milsurp rifles. a >Turkish M38 Mauser's due to arrive tomorrow, and danged if Century Arms >didn't just E-mail to let me know they're about to have some Turkish 1893s >and 1903s for sale shortly. ARRRGH! Jane's been rubbing it in lately about >how I could've been a cardiologist... > >John > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From old_iron at msn.com Fri Aug 27 00:58:06 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:58:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Eng. site at Baraboo roped off/THANKS! Message-ID: I would like to thank Curt for all of his hard work, it was great going to this show! Nice to see a few of the SEL group again. Curt, you did a great job on "reserving" our area and playing host to our group. Bill liked the show so much, he paid the $$$ to become a member of the Badger Club. Thanks again for the great area, and even Mother Nature cooperated with cool but no rainny weather. XOXOX Peg Pfeiffer >Hi Peg & Bill, >A couple of the boys from england called last night from Ohare airport and >will be heading my way about 10:00 then we are all off to Baraboo. More >then >likely we will get there about the same time you do if all goes well. >Looks >like the damn rain will quit and may be a cool dry weekend...I hope. >Better >pack your rain gear and longjohns just incase..... >ATIS SEL site is right in middle of northern gas alley timber. Look for >large >roped off area with red signs. >looking foward to seein everybody. >Curt > > Hello Curt: > > > > The new camper is all packed and ready to go, we plan on leaving >tomorrow > > not later than 10:00 and since it is about 4 hours to the Dells, we >should > > see you early tomorrow afternoon. > > > > Peg > > > > >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 27 06:26:22 2004 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:26:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Briggs valve spring tool Message-ID: >>>I don't know where to tell you to look for a compressor for this engine, >>>but I have improvised on this type of engine with a pair of open end wrenches. 11/16 seems about right in my mind's eye, stick them both between the valve keeper washer and the engine block. Then pry them apart enough to force a fulcrum in between them; maybe a 3/8 bolt, again I'm kind of guessing, YMMV. That will allow you to squeeze the wrenches together forcing the end of the wrenches in the engine apart and compressing the valve spring. >>>Kind of frustrating, you'll need to hold your tongue just right and chose your words carefully, but this should do it. >>>B? >>>Bill Brueck (brick) IIRC, it was a whole lot easier coming out than going back in, due to having need of a third hand to get the keeper halves in, but my memory ain't what it used to be. I think I like the idea of "renting" the spring compressor. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Lenexa, KS sluggo54 at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From b2 at chooka.net Fri Aug 27 07:37:32 2004 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:37:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Briggs valve spring tool References: Message-ID: <002201c48c43$62eec850$690a0a0a@BILLPC> You are certainy right, Bruce, although heavy grease to glue those keepers onto the stem helps a lot and harmlessly dissolves with engine oil when the thing runs again. And the delightful experience of having the compressed spring get away from you and mash a finger in that little space. Oh, the things we do for fun! I understand that a lot...when I'm not working on rusty iron I'm exploring caves. Come back from a good trip with all kinds of scrapes and bruises! B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, Minnesota USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Younger" To: Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 8:26 AM Subject: [SEL] Briggs valve spring tool > >>>I don't know where to tell you to look for a compressor for this engine, > >>>but > I have improvised on this type of engine with a pair of open end wrenches. > 11/16 seems about right in my mind's eye, stick them both between the valve > keeper washer and the engine block. Then pry them apart enough to force a > fulcrum in between them; maybe a 3/8 bolt, again I'm kind of guessing, YMMV. > That will allow you to squeeze the wrenches together forcing the end of the > wrenches in the engine apart and compressing the valve spring. > > >>>Kind of frustrating, you'll need to hold your tongue just right and chose > your words carefully, but this should do it. > > >>>B2 > >>>Bill Brueck (brick) > > IIRC, it was a whole lot easier coming out than going back in, due to > having need of a third hand to get the keeper halves in, but my > memory ain't what it used to be. I think I like the idea of "renting" > the spring compressor. > > > Bruce Younger > 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 > Lenexa, KS > sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and > more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Aug 27 08:04:46 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:04:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Briggs valve spring tool References: Message-ID: <001d01c48c47$32fe9bd0$a944e5d8@gary> Another option is the cheap tool stores like Cummins or such. I picked up a cheap one that has served me well for a couple of limited uses. Living a lone way from civilization I like having tools at hand when I need them. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Younger" To: Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 8:26 AM Subject: [SEL] Briggs valve spring tool > >>>I don't know where to tell you to look for a compressor for this engine, > >>>but > I have improvised on this type of engine with a pair of open end wrenches. > 11/16 seems about right in my mind's eye, stick them both between the valve > keeper washer and the engine block. Then pry them apart enough to force a > fulcrum in between them; maybe a 3/8 bolt, again I'm kind of guessing, YMMV. > That will allow you to squeeze the wrenches together forcing the end of the > wrenches in the engine apart and compressing the valve spring. > > >>>Kind of frustrating, you'll need to hold your tongue just right and chose > your words carefully, but this should do it. > > >>>B? > >>>Bill Brueck (brick) > > IIRC, it was a whole lot easier coming out than going back in, due to > having need of a third hand to get the keeper halves in, but my > memory ain't what it used to be. I think I like the idea of "renting" > the spring compressor. > > > Bruce Younger > 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 > Lenexa, KS > sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and > more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Aug 27 07:52:16 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:52:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves Message-ID: <20040827.111445.1136.4.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks to all for responding. Clint D. - Jim H. - J.B. - Bill B. - Ed S.. I'll take a ride to my local NAPA & CarQuest to see if they have anything I can use. Other than that. I guess it's screwdrivers - wrenches - bailing wire and holding my tongue just right. The other Briggs' I've worked on didn't seem to have anything holding the top of the spring. Getting them in & out was pretty easy. The "Y" has a "tit" that extends the valve guide down from the top of the cavity and also holds the spring in place. I'm going to have to compress the spring pretty good to get them back in and all put together. That's why I think I need something other than my usual "Hammer & Chisel" methods. Thanks again. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Aug 27 07:31:32 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:31:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves Message-ID: <20040827.111445.1136.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Bob, Thanks for the reply. I've always been able to remove the keepers on Briggs valves rather easily. But these on the "Y" are a bit heavier. I have the keepers off and the valves out but the springs are still in the block. They are also in the way for measuring the gap. So, I have to take them out. I can't imagine how I'm going to get the springs compressed and back into the engine and install the keepers all at one time. I like your "return / rental" policy but I couldn't do that. Once I've used something, I'm going to keep it. I'll probably have to make something. Unless I can buy a tool that isn't too expensive. As for timing an engine with igniter - - - I'm not familiar. But - - - I imagine it's the same as with regular mags. There is usually an adjustment on the trip rod and the engine should fire when the "mark" on the flywheel passes the "trip rod". If there is no mark on the flywheel: First find Top Dead Center and mark it with chaulk on the flywheel. Then adjust your igniter to trip about 3 to 4 inches (on the flywheel) before that mark. That should put you at about 15? Before Top Dead Center. Most of my engines are between 1? & 3 HP. Bigger engines (larger flywheel) would increase that 3 - 4" to 5 - 6". Hope this helps. If not - Get back to me. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:43:18 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Bob Jacobs" writes: > Hi Joe, > > Last time I needed a valve spring tool I went to auto-zone. They > have a > rental" policy. You buy the tool but can return it for a full > refund. > > The other thing I've done is pack the cylinder with cotton or nylon > rope, > this allowed the valve to be stopped without damage while still > allowing me > to use a homemade fork tool to compress the spring with. It's a > little > clumsy but did the job. > > Now if only I can figure out how to set this mag and the timing on > my engine > I'd fell lots smarter. LOL > > Bob > > -------Original Message------- > > From: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 08/26/04 21:34:58 > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves > > Hi Guys (If anyone not at Portland is out there.) > > Today I decided to take the valves out of a Briggs Model "Y". > Reason - Cannot figure why I can't get this thing to start. > > The valves are held in with pretty hefty springs and 2 little half > circle > keepers on each valve stem. > > My question - - - What kind of valve spring compressor might I use > on > this engine ? > > I have about every tool imaginable but when it comes to valve > springs - > Nada ! > I guess I could use a "plier" type compressor but have no idea where > to > find one. > > Haven't tried the local NAPA dealer yet but I don't want to spend > much on > the tool. > > Suggestions ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - > \/)"(\/ but only half as long." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Fri Aug 27 09:07:41 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:07:41 EDT Subject: [SEL] Briggs valve spring tool Message-ID: <1e5.290f27a6.2e60b64d@aol.com> Hi Bruce, For putting the valves back in, first put on your eye protection, then, put a valve spring in your bench vise with about a third exposed. Compress it gently but not quite all the way. Use a nylon string to pass through the valve spring, end to end, and tie it in the compressed mode. Loosen the vise, turn the valve spring half way and repeat. At this point you have the valve spring in the compressed mode, tied by string on each side. Install, cut string, and pull out the string with your needlenose pliers. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, MO (Where we had RAIN last night.) In a message dated 8/27/2004 8:31:15 AM Central Standard Time, sluggo54 at hotmail.com writes: > > IIRC, it was a whole lot easier coming out than going back in, due to > having need of a third hand to get the keeper halves in, but my > memory ain't what it used to be. I think I like the idea of "renting" > the spring compressor. > > > Bruce Younger From Carrowor at comcast.net Fri Aug 27 11:15:35 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:15:35 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves References: <20040827.111445.1136.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <412F7A47.000001.02124@NOTEBOOK> Thanks!!! This sounds exactly like what I've done, but haven't yet gotten the ole gal to phoot at me. Ah well, I'll get back at her tonight when it cools down outside. Putting your valve assembly back togeather is much easier than dismantling it. Compress the springs in a vice, if your vice's jaws are wider than the spring, be sure to leave one edge of the spring exposed. Your goal is to be able to slip a piece of 20 or 30 lb test fishing line through the spring and tie it off. then turn the spring around and do the other side so it's double tied and straight. When it's time to reassemble, simple set the spring in place, install the cap and keepers and push the valve down against the spring (keep your fingers outta the way now, first time I did this I didn't). I use a hammer handle to kinda hold everything in compressed mode and my pocket knive to cut the fishing line, a pair of needlenose pliers will then remove the fishing line easily. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From AntiqueEngineB at aol.com Fri Aug 27 15:49:59 2004 From: AntiqueEngineB at aol.com (AntiqueEngineB at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:49:59 EDT Subject: [SEL] cell phone Message-ID: <1f0.291eb5c8.2e611497@aol.com> My son and i were at portland and i have sprint and he has nextel; and neather had service i have no idea what to get. _antiqueengineb at aol.com_ (mailto:antiqueengineb at aol.com) Robert Stanton Brooklyn mi From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 27 16:26:00 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:26:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves References: <20040827.111445.1136.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <003101c48c8d$36bc3d40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> S.. > > I'll take a ride to my local NAPA & CarQuest to see if they have anything > I can use. The little one is in the back of the Sierra/Primeline Illus. book and Kay-Deee makes the big one for auto sized flatties . I keep one of each .They are the only way to fly . I have used screwdrivers , wrenches,, lathe bits , and fingers . Its doable . The socket and a hammer trick . Now THAT I gotta try Chuck From ivancou at usachoice.net Fri Aug 27 17:31:39 2004 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:31:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland calender now avail ! Message-ID: <000701c48c96$63ea50a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Anyone in Portland or going to the show tomorrow ? I found out tonight that they are selling a first ever calendar with pictures of the show . Its available at the Red Barn near the registration booth . I found out after I came home and read the free paper that was delivered to the campgrounds in the morning , I threw it in the camper and didn't read it till tonight . Anyone there that could grab one for me ? Ivan From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Aug 27 14:49:33 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:49:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs "Y" Message-ID: <20040827.211017.1252.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Guys, Thanks to all who responded to my plea on removing the valve springs from the Briggs "Y". I "muscled" the keepers off the valves and took out the springs and "wired" them tight with thin bailing wire so I could get them in. Even then, they fought me. I knew I'd use that picture wire someday. After refacing the valves and checking the gaps at .005 - .007 (.06)intake and .009 - .011 (.011) on the exhaust. I reassembled the vales & springs. After much aggravation, I decided to turn the engine up-side-down and make gravity work FOR me instead of AGAINST me. Finally got it all together and have 50 lbs compression. STILL, I cannot get this thing to bark. Then I took off the bottom to see if it could be out of time. With a mirror and flashlight I saw that the timing marks are in the right position. (Not that.) The only thing I can think of now is - - - Is the spark strong enough ? Maybe the capacitor ? maybe a faint short somewhere ? Beats me. This engine used to run but it was always a bear to start. Lately - Nothing !! Oh well - Tomorrow is another day. Hope everyone is enjoying themselves in Portland. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From Carrowor at comcast.net Fri Aug 27 18:19:13 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:19:13 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Briggs "Y" References: <20040827.211017.1252.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <412FDD91.000001.03288@NOTEBOOK> LOL Man do I know what you're talking about LOL I've had the mag & ignitor off this economy at least 20 times today, everything should be lined up right and got great spark but no bark. Ah well, after some supper and a six pack I trundled it back into the garage and figure the engine pixies will fix it overnight!!!! Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/27/04 21:10:53 To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Briggs "Y" Hi Guys, Thanks to all who responded to my plea on removing the valve springs from the Briggs "Y". I "muscled" the keepers off the valves and took out the springs and "wired" them tight with thin bailing wire so I could get them in. Even then, they fought me. I knew I'd use that picture wire someday. After refacing the valves and checking the gaps at .005 - .007 (.06)intake and ..009 - .011 (.011) on the exhaust. I reassembled the vales & springs. After much aggravation, I decided to turn the engine up-side-down and make gravity work FOR me instead of AGAINST me. Finally got it all together and have 50 lbs compression. STILL, I cannot get this thing to bark. Then I took off the bottom to see if it could be out of time. With a mirror and flashlight I saw that the timing marks are in the right position. (Not that.) The only thing I can think of now is - - - Is the spark strong enough ? Maybe the capacitor ? maybe a faint short somewhere ? Beats me. This engine used to run but it was always a bear to start. Lately - Nothing !! Oh well - Tomorrow is another day. Hope everyone is enjoying themselves in Portland. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Aug 27 18:21:58 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:21:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves Message-ID: <20040827.212406.1252.4.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks guys again. Ron C. & Bob J. suggested compressing in a vise and using nylon string or fishing line to tie it and keep the springs compressed.. I used a light bailing wire that I had on the shelf and it worked out good. You'd think by now I'd know some of these tricks. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:15:35 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Bob Jacobs" writes: > Thanks!!! > > This sounds exactly like what I've done, but haven't yet gotten the > ole gal > to phoot at me. Ah well, I'll get back at her tonight when it cools > down > outside. > > Putting your valve assembly back togeather is much easier than > dismantling > it. Compress the springs in a vice, if your vice's jaws are wider > than the > spring, be sure to leave one edge of the spring exposed. Your goal > is to be > able to slip a piece of 20 or 30 lb test fishing line through the > spring and > tie it off. then turn the spring around and do the other side so > it's > double tied and straight. > > When it's time to reassemble, simple set the spring in place, > install the > cap and keepers and push the valve down against the spring (keep > your > fingers outta the way now, first time I did this I didn't). I use a > hammer > handle to kinda hold everything in compressed mode and my pocket > knive to > cut the fishing line, a pair of needlenose pliers will then remove > the > fishing line easily. > > > > Bob > Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, > others just use the initials! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Aug 27 19:23:42 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:23:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] cell phone In-Reply-To: <1f0.291eb5c8.2e611497@aol.com> References: <1f0.291eb5c8.2e611497@aol.com> Message-ID: <47EBDC26-F899-11D8-9D14-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Well, like I said, I did use the Verizon one there last year. John On Aug 27, 2004, at 6:49 PM, AntiqueEngineB at aol.com wrote: > My son and i were at portland and i have sprint and he has nextel; and > neather had service i have no idea what to get. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 27 21:17:31 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:17:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Miami Project #2 In-Reply-To: <000c01c48581$37baf050$01043c0a@DD1BF421> References: <000c01c48581$37baf050$01043c0a@DD1BF421> Message-ID: <4130075B.8050403@scrtc.com> Thanks Dave. No rush on the tags, just when you're looking for something to do..... if you're like me, there's never time that you're looking for something to do as all time is taken. Just got back from Portland. Great show again. About 3000 engines, 800 tractors, probably 1000 plus vendors, it all made for too much walking, talking, and lookin. Tommy Dave Otto wrote: >Bummer, I hope that you are able to recover some or all of your data. >You need to find a safer place to live first the tornado and then the >lightning trashes your computer. My son recently got back from visiting >his grandparents near Paris, on the other side of Lexington from you. He >got to see some really good rain storms that we just don't get out here >in the west. > > >Dave > >P.S. Don't give up name plate I'm still going to get them done. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tommy >Turner >Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 12:39 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Miami Project #2 > >Dave, > > I did have some but they were on my old computer hard drive and >lightning got it about 3 weeks ago. I have a friend trying to see if he > >can retrieve any of the info off of it. If so, I'll be glad to post >them. All there was of the Miami was a base, flywheels, and >crankshaft. The front half of the cylinder had been cut off and it had >been made into a wood splitter. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rwenig at cable-lynx.net Fri Aug 27 20:32:42 2004 From: rwenig at cable-lynx.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:32:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - another question.... References: <00b001c48a54$9891bb70$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <412FFCDA.7FA6F25@cable-lynx.net> Hello Bill, My $0.02 on the subject. I fell into the trap of building what I thought I would need five years ago but it is suprising how fast available space can fill up. I'm currently putting together a pole building to use for storage to try to rectify my mistake. The original size I was thinking of building was 20' x 30' large enough to get my motor home out of the weather when I'm not using it and for some storage. Thinking things over I realized I could fill the available space in no time so I went as large as my budget would allow (24' x 40'). So my suggestion is build your building as large as your budget and available space will allow. Make the building large enough to give Barbara some space inside so you can keep her happy too. A gable end style roof basically gives you only the main floor for space. You can build in a second floor easily if you go to a hip roof style rafter. What material to use depends on price, availability and how much maintenance you want to do. I would suggest metal cladding as it is relatively maintenance free. Wood has to be painted. Rupert Bill Dickerson wrote: > > The only thing - what sort of building should I be considering? Now the > timing is quite a ways off - at least a year, but need to decide a size and > type so I know how to prepare the site. I figure probably about 24' x 24', > Barbara says to build it with a large overhang on the east side to put my > steel wheels, horse drawn mower and such under out of the rain. > There is a nice metal building with such an overhang, what do you call the > barn-style roof - gambrel or whatever? > Should it be a Wood or metal building? > Roof type? Hip or other? > Bill > Runnells, IA > -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. mailto://rwenig at cable-lynx.net http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/index.html From Aermoter at aol.com Sat Aug 28 05:51:15 2004 From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 08:51:15 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT - another question.... Message-ID: <8a.1382372d.2e61d9c3@aol.com> In a message dated 8/27/2004 11:23:38 PM Central Daylight Time, rwenig at cable-lynx.net writes: A gable end style roof basically gives you only the main floor for space. You can build in a second floor easily if you go to a hip roof style rafter You got that one backwards. On the same pitch roof you gain much more space with a gable end over a hip. Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. Aermoter at aol.com From rwenig at cable-lynx.net Sat Aug 28 08:02:33 2004 From: rwenig at cable-lynx.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:02:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - another question.... References: <8a.1382372d.2e61d9c3@aol.com> Message-ID: <41309E89.1D1CBBD3@cable-lynx.net> Hello Tim, A gable rafter and a hip rafter are not normally the same pitch. A standard 4:12 gable rafter would only be about 4' high at the peak over a 24' span where as a hip rafter would be 8' or more at the peak over the same span depending on the rafter design. Also bridging and reinforcement gusset plates on a hip rafter is normally done only at the joints where as a gable truss has bridging between the rafter run and the cord length to reinforce it interfering with free flow in the attic area. A 24' span is to long not to use a reinforced rafter. Rupert Aermoter at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/27/2004 11:23:38 PM Central Daylight Time, > rwenig at cable-lynx.net writes: > A gable end style roof basically gives you only the main floor for > space. You can build in a second floor easily if you go to a hip roof > style rafter > You got that one backwards. On the same pitch roof you gain much more space > with a gable end over a hip. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor, Ks. > Aermoter at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. mailto://rwenig at cable-lynx.net http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/index.html From Aermoter at aol.com Sat Aug 28 11:48:54 2004 From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:48:54 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT - another question.... Message-ID: <54.3231b923.2e622d96@aol.com> Rupert, I have been building houses and barns for 22 years and know what I am talking about. It does not matter how you try to figure it, a roof with a gable will have more room under it than a hip roof with the same pitch. On a building that is only going to be 24 foot wide you will not gain any second floor space at all unless you use a steep pitch or actually build a second floor outside wall Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. Aermoter at aol.com From Aermoter at aol.com Sat Aug 28 12:02:21 2004 From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:02:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT - another question.... Message-ID: <127.4981b19b.2e6230bd@aol.com> Rupert, first, please don't take my first response to be mean, after I sent it I found it to sound harsh. Next, your not by chance thinking of a Gambrel roof are you? A hip roof has four sides, each side starting on the top of the wall and meeting up in the exact center for a square building and then if the building is longer, you will have a ridge that will form. On the Gable end roof you only have 2 sides and ridge that is as long as the building. The Gambrel roof will have only 2 sides but each side will have 2 different pitches, the bottom pitch will be at least 12/12 or greater and the top pitch is usually a 7/12 or less. This type of roof will gain you the greatest space above the wall height over the full building. Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. Aermoter at aol.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 28 14:48:29 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:48:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Calling Card Numbers Message-ID: <004f01c48d49$03817000$210110ac@VAIO> Is it possible for one person in one state to have the same calling card number as another person in another state? I am trying to locate a missing family member and only have a calling card to go by. Paul From Carrowor at comcast.net Sat Aug 28 16:20:10 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:20:10 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy Message-ID: <4131132A.000005.03636@NOTEBOOK> I Hope someone can help me out a bit. 5HP Economy, looks like it's in time, mag & ignitor off the engine shows a pretty good spark but on the engine NOTHING (I even pulled the head to check) Before anyone gets upset over pulling the head, I'm glad I did, big mess in the water jacket in the head, should run nice and cool now (if I can ever get it started} Anyone know where I could obtain some mica for the ignitor??? only thing I can figure is the isolated point mica has to be shorted out under compression. Any and all suggestions, ideas or help in any form will be very much appreciated!! Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Aug 28 16:56:09 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:56:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Calling Card Numbers In-Reply-To: <004f01c48d49$03817000$210110ac@VAIO> References: <004f01c48d49$03817000$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: Usually a calling card number contains the phone number with area code of the owner. John On Aug 28, 2004, at 5:48 PM, wrote: > Is it possible for one person in one state to have the same calling > card number as another person in another state? I am trying to locate > a missing family member and only have a calling card to go by. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Aug 28 17:00:16 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:00:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Race Week Message-ID: <6859D62A-F94E-11D8-BF2B-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> First time I've been in Bristol for the August race week since '98. It's been fairly congested around here, about like Portland on a bigger scale. The race has just started. I was outside fixing the left headlight on the 'Vette and watering the plants while the F16s did their flybys. Last pass, timed for the ending of "The Star Spangled Banner," they went south down the Volunteer Parkway at about 1000 feet with their afterburners on hard for about 3 miles. Rock and roll! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Aug 28 18:01:41 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:01:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Race Week References: <6859D62A-F94E-11D8-BF2B-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <001501c48d63$bfd39610$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Just rub my nose in it John. I'm too cheap for cable so can't watch the race and you're there and didn't attend. One of the best races on the circuit. Hope Jane is doing well. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 6:00 PM Subject: [SEL] OT Race Week > First time I've been in Bristol for the August race week since '98. > It's been fairly congested around here, about like Portland on a bigger > scale. > > The race has just started. I was outside fixing the left headlight on > the 'Vette and watering the plants while the F16s did their flybys. > Last pass, timed for the ending of "The Star Spangled Banner," they > went south down the Volunteer Parkway at about 1000 feet with their > afterburners on hard for about 3 miles. Rock and roll! > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From adamcottrill at telstra.com Sat Aug 28 18:52:00 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 11:52:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] FYI Nat Rally Press Release Message-ID: <82c86282ec27.82ec2782c862@email.bigpond.com> Hi Everyone, For your information the NHMA National Webpage is up with the press release on at http://home.rbm.com.au/rally/news.htm Also conrgatulations and thanks to Reg in point out an oversight in the operations for the event if there are still concerns/ideas please let the organisers know via the contact details via the press release details Reg has made a difference which will affect all of us who are attending from me personaly and im sure everyone else who will be attending... thanks so much and well done! Cheer, Adam From boydfarms at nupoint.net Sat Aug 28 19:44:47 2004 From: boydfarms at nupoint.net (Michelle Boyd) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:44:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <002401c48d72$389985b0$44b745c6@yourfsyly0jtwn> My first time on your website. My husband and I just bought a Fairbanks Morse engine today at Portland (just before the first big rain). We're primarily tractor people, so very ignorant about engines. I hope we got a good deal - it seemed cheap for what we've seen. We've been looking to buy one for a few years now. The engine we purchased is in running condition and fairly decent paint. It's green, but I don't know the serial number without going back out to the barn to look. Where is a good place to buy a coil? From bill at antique-engines.com Sat Aug 28 20:18:08 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:18:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Calling Card Numbers In-Reply-To: <004f01c48d49$03817000$210110ac@VAIO> Message-ID: <003101c48d76$d0b867e0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> I doubt it - our "calling card" number is the same as our phone number with a couple of extra digits. Of course, this has nothing to do with those "prepaid calling cards" which are totally different than the card I'm thinking of supplied by our local phone company to use to make calls with. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 4:48 PM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] O.T. Calling Card Numbers Is it possible for one person in one state to have the same calling card number as another person in another state? I am trying to locate a missing family member and only have a calling card to go by. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Aug 28 20:30:59 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:30:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) References: <002401c48d72$389985b0$44b745c6@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <000d01c48d78$9aadf460$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Welcome to the list and a subject and signature is a nice touch. A tractor belted up is a stationary engine so you're ok here. E-bay is a good place to look for a coil and I'm not sure what you are looking for. Coil, battery, and ignitor sytem and you need the coil? No doubt someone with more knowledge will come to your aid. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Boyd" To: Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 8:44 PM Subject: [SEL] (no subject) My first time on your website. My husband and I just bought a Fairbanks Morse engine today at Portland (just before the first big rain). We're primarily tractor people, so very ignorant about engines. I hope we got a good deal - it seemed cheap for what we've seen. We've been looking to buy one for a few years now. The engine we purchased is in running condition and fairly decent paint. It's green, but I don't know the serial number without going back out to the barn to look. Where is a good place to buy a coil? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From glenn.karch at gte.net Sat Aug 28 20:28:02 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:28:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lake Portland Message-ID: <018f01c48d78$32fab6a0$ab29ea41@oemcomputer> To all, About 1:30 this afternoon the sky fell down at the Portland show and flooded many areas of the grounds. The south restroom was closed due to flooding. Traffic was prohibited in the vendor area due to water and mud. I drove through a foot of water to get out. I think they got more rain again about 4:00 o'clock too, but I was GONE! Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 28 20:47:25 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:47:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lake Portland References: <018f01c48d78$32fab6a0$ab29ea41@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000e01c48d7a$e8251f50$210110ac@VAIO> Glenn I am glad that I did not come back to the grounds this morning. It stormed all night long in Decatur and the power went out several times in the hotel. I figured the show grounds was flooded so I just left the hotel and drove straight home, glad I did now. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn A Karch" To: Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 10:28 PM Subject: [SEL] Lake Portland > To all, > > About 1:30 this afternoon the sky fell down at the Portland show and > flooded > many areas of the grounds. The south restroom was closed due to flooding. > Traffic was prohibited in the vendor area due to water and mud. I drove > through a foot of water to get out. I think they got more rain again > about > 4:00 o'clock too, but I was GONE! > > Glenn > > Glenn Karch > Haubstadt, IN, USA > Hercules Historian > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rwenig at cable-lynx.net Sun Aug 29 00:00:53 2004 From: rwenig at cable-lynx.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 01:00:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - another question.... References: <127.4981b19b.2e6230bd@aol.com> Message-ID: <41317F25.39024F87@cable-lynx.net> Hello Tim, Well, I'll be! I believe this is the first time I've ran into a language problem between US and Canadian English. I didn't think that was possible so your last message had me confused. No. I didn't take it as mean. But, I'm glad you took the time to read it a second time and get back to me with the message quoted below as it sure helps clear the air (so to speak). Now to explain the differences: What you are calling a hip roof is known to me as a cottage style roof. I don't recall hearing the Gambrel name before. Your Gambrel is what I am calling a "hip roof". Even the lumber yards around here use the term "hip roof" for the double sloped roof. Your gable roof appears to be the same as ours. Trusting this clears the air and we are still friends. Rupert Aermoter at aol.com wrote: > > Rupert, first, please don't take my first response to be mean, after I sent > it I found it to sound harsh. Next, your not by chance thinking of a Gambrel > roof are you? A hip roof has four sides, each side starting on the top of the > wall and meeting up in the exact center for a square building and then if the > building is longer, you will have a ridge that will form. On the Gable end > roof you only have 2 sides and ridge that is as long as the building. The > Gambrel roof will have only 2 sides but each side will have 2 different pitches, > the bottom pitch will be at least 12/12 or greater and the top pitch is usually > a 7/12 or less. This type of roof will gain you the greatest space above the > wall height over the full building. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor, Ks. > Aermoter at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. mailto://rwenig at cable-lynx.net http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/index.html From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Aug 29 02:44:05 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:44:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Lake Portland Message-ID: <082920040944.15450.31e0@mchsi.com> HI Guys, Sure was glad I had some hind sight to load most of my stuff on friday night especially after I saw the big oak limb that smashed the poor fellows mini van, broke out his windshield and left hand windows.....along with some of his lawntractors damaged badly. Talked with the fellow and he told me he had just lost his home by "charley" in Florida to boot! I packed up my tent and chairs and we were off for home. All was clear until we hit the Ill. line and then we road rest of way in pounding rains.....All and all great show. Will try to post some pics later. Curt Andree > To all, > > About 1:30 this afternoon the sky fell down at the Portland show and flooded > many areas of the grounds. The south restroom was closed due to flooding. > Traffic was prohibited in the vendor area due to water and mud. I drove > through a foot of water to get out. I think they got more rain again about > 4:00 o'clock too, but I was GONE! > > Glenn > > Glenn Karch > Haubstadt, IN, USA > Hercules Historian > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jenkins.frames at juno.com Sun Aug 29 04:53:26 2004 From: jenkins.frames at juno.com (Arthur r Jenkins) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:53:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <20040829.083907.-1933955.15.jenkins.frames@juno.com> Hello Old engine list Even though most of you guys were in Portland some of us were other places. I was at the Sommerset Party in the Pasture. Maybe the best show of it's type that I go to. SO if you are ever in the state of Virginia I will reccomend it, the dates for nest year are August 26 - 27 -28 More steam traction engines in one place that any other show I go to. I will admit that I only go to a couple of shows a year. Alos it does not seem to rain on the Sommerset show, just hot! Now on to other things, I have a Johnson engine, a small engine like a maytag. Would anyone want it? I am in central virginia, outside Richmond. If anyone can use this pleas speak up. It is rough , it was recovered for the county dump. I have had it running at one time. The starter gear is broken and who know what else. Maybe parts to keep another engine running? And a favor form the group, I have a friend that recently move to the San Francisco area(Concord) is there anyone who would be willing to show her around or suggest places to go, if so send to me off list and I will forward. Thanks Arthur ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From oldengin at udata.com Sun Aug 29 07:01:05 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:01:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lake Portland In-Reply-To: <082920040944.15450.31e0@mchsi.com> References: <082920040944.15450.31e0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <4131E1A1.1000505@udata.com> STill the greatest show on earth!!!!! Yes we did get caught up in some of the rain as we where close to leaving when we got stuck in the out pour of autos and campers leaving, took us 40 minutes from the camp ground to reach St. Rt. 27. As we worked our way home here in Ohia water was across Interstate 75 in Lima and traffic was backed up about 5 mile, we got off on 4th street and took another route home with little trouble with water ( did drive into the water across the exit ramp that was over my trailer lights) this was not a pretty sight. Also ask me what I think of michelin tires some time as I have 3 with holes on this trip!!!!!!!!!! -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Aug 29 07:31:01 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:31:01 EDT Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <1dd.2a5de556.2e6342a5@aol.com> In a message dated 8/29/2004 8:14:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jenkins.frames at juno.com writes: << I have a Johnson engine, a small engine like a maytag. Would anyone want it? >> Arthur, I live on a large farm, not far from you and have plenty of room to store junk, but slowly running out of shed space. If your need a home for the engine, I can take it. I live west of you near Appomattox. To help with the roof storage problem, I just ordered a metal carport and should be here this week. Cannot build a roof for the price they sell those metal car sheds and install them. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Aug 29 07:37:17 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:37:17 EDT Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy Message-ID: In a message dated 8/28/2004 7:34:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Carrowor at comcast.net writes: << 5HP Economy, looks like it's in time, mag & ignitor off the engine shows a pretty good spark but on the engine NOTHING (I even pulled the head to check) >> Sweet Bob, Have you checked for gas? My 5 hp Economy would not start one time and I checked a lot of things before finally discovering that the gas had gone bad. Put in new gas and fired right up. You might try some ether thru the priming cup and see if it will fire. There are lots of parts people in GEM that sell ignitor parts to rebuild if you need them. How about timing, valve setting, compression, etc.? Just some things to ponder! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Carrowor at comcast.net Sun Aug 29 09:13:39 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:13:39 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy References: Message-ID: <413200B3.000001.03384@NOTEBOOK> Hello Tom Yepper, checked the gas, had that problem before also (although my LA ran great on very old "varnish" - LOL) I've tried gas through the priming cup, ether etc. but nothing seems to make her work. Haven't even gotten a backfire or anything. oh well, guess I'll get back out there and try again, this engine hasn't been run since 1977ish so it's been a project just getting the wasp nests and cobwebs out of her. Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/29/04 10:38:30 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] 5HP Economy In a message dated 8/28/2004 7:34:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Carrowor at comcast.net writes: << 5HP Economy, looks like it's in time, mag & ignitor off the engine shows a pretty good spark but on the engine NOTHING (I even pulled the head to check) >> Sweet Bob, Have you checked for gas? My 5 hp Economy would not start one time and I checked a lot of things before finally discovering that the gas had gone bad Put in new gas and fired right up. You might try some ether thru the priming cup and see if it will fire. There are lots of parts people in GEM that sell ignitor parts to rebuild if you need them. How about timing, valve setting, compression, etc.? Just some things to ponder! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Aug 29 09:23:57 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:23:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy Message-ID: <20040829.123654.1220.6.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Bob, Well - - - I know nothing about igniters except that everyone seems to have problems with them. 1.) My first suggestion would be to talk to someone like Ted Brookover who knows more that I ever will. 2.) My other suggestion would be to rig up a wiper on the cam gear and run it with a buzz coil & battery. But please get more opinions on that. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:20:10 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Bob Jacobs" writes: > I Hope someone can help me out a bit. > > 5HP Economy, looks like it's in time, mag & ignitor off the engine > shows a > pretty good spark but on the engine NOTHING (I even pulled the head > to > check) > > Before anyone gets upset over pulling the head, I'm glad I did, big > mess in > the water jacket in the head, should run nice and cool now (if I > can ever > get it started} > > Anyone know where I could obtain some mica for the ignitor??? only > thing I > can figure is the isolated point mica has to be shorted out under > compression. > > Any and all suggestions, ideas or help in any form will be very > much > appreciated!! > > Bob > Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, > others just use the initials! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Aug 29 09:29:54 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:29:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <20040829.123654.1220.7.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Michelle, Are you sure you don't want a "Magneto" ? Talk to other exhibitors as to what you'll need to get it running. Everything you need should be at Portland somewhere. Just my 2 cents. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:44:47 -0500 "Michelle Boyd" writes: > My first time on your website. My husband and I just bought a > Fairbanks Morse engine today at Portland (just before the first big > rain). We're primarily tractor people, so very ignorant about > engines. I hope we got a good deal - it seemed cheap for what we've > seen. We've been looking to buy one for a few years now. The > engine we purchased is in running condition and fairly decent paint. > It's green, but I don't know the serial number without going back > out to the barn to look. Where is a good place to buy a coil? > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Aug 29 09:44:58 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:44:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy Message-ID: <20040829.124537.1220.10.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Bob, This Briggs "Y" I have is doing the same thing. Sparks with the plug out but - I can't get it to bark. I've checked everything I can think of. Did a valve job on it Friday and checked the timing marks. All is good. I have to think the spark is weak - But why ? = = = = = = Also - I have a can of Starting Fluid I bought in July. It has not fired an engine yet !!! I'm beginning to think it might be BAD. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:13:39 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Bob Jacobs" writes: > Hello Tom > > Yepper, checked the gas, had that problem before also (although my > LA ran > great on very old "varnish" - LOL) > > I've tried gas through the priming cup, ether etc. but nothing seems > to make > her work. Haven't even gotten a backfire or anything. > > oh well, guess I'll get back out there and try again, this engine > hasn't > been run since 1977ish so it's been a project just getting the wasp > nests > and cobwebs out of her. > > Bob > > -------Original Message------- > > From: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 08/29/04 10:38:30 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] 5HP Economy > > In a message dated 8/28/2004 7:34:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Carrowor at comcast.net writes: > > << 5HP Economy, looks like it's in time, mag & ignitor off the > engine shows > a > pretty good spark but on the engine NOTHING (I even pulled the > head to > check) >> > > Sweet Bob, > > Have you checked for gas? My 5 hp Economy would not start one time > and I > checked a lot of things before finally discovering that the gas had > gone bad > > Put in new gas and fired right up. You might try some ether thru > the > priming > cup and see if it will fire. There are lots of parts people in GEM > that sell > ignitor parts to rebuild if you need them. How about timing, valve > setting, > compression, etc.? Just some things to ponder! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From d.fleming at sasktel.net Sun Aug 29 14:38:07 2004 From: d.fleming at sasktel.net (Don & Kay Fleming) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:38:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy References: <413200B3.000001.03384@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <002101c48e10$c238cda0$6500a8c0@FLEMINGWINXP> Hi Bob, I just had a problem with a 6HP International M that has an ignitor ignition. Could not get a pop out of it. After doing some testing I found the moving contact on the ignitor was not grounding. I ran a small wire from a screw on the magneto to the end of the moving contact on the ignitor. The engine started on the first compression stroke. Hard to believe the shaft was not grounding but that was the problem. Just something to check out. Don Fleming Kipling, Sask. d.fleming at sasktel.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 5HP Economy Hello Tom Yepper, checked the gas, had that problem before also (although my LA ran great on very old "varnish" - LOL) I've tried gas through the priming cup, ether etc. but nothing seems to make her work. Haven't even gotten a backfire or anything. oh well, guess I'll get back out there and try again, this engine hasn't been run since 1977ish so it's been a project just getting the wasp nests and cobwebs out of her. Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/29/04 10:38:30 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] 5HP Economy In a message dated 8/28/2004 7:34:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Carrowor at comcast.net writes: << 5HP Economy, looks like it's in time, mag & ignitor off the engine shows a pretty good spark but on the engine NOTHING (I even pulled the head to check) >> Sweet Bob, Have you checked for gas? My 5 hp Economy would not start one time and I checked a lot of things before finally discovering that the gas had gone bad Put in new gas and fired right up. You might try some ether thru the priming cup and see if it will fire. There are lots of parts people in GEM that sell ignitor parts to rebuild if you need them. How about timing, valve setting, compression, etc.? Just some things to ponder! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alanb2 at webtv.net Sun Aug 29 15:25:03 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:25:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Portland Engine Message-ID: <15481-413257BF-153@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net> Hi Folks, Some of y'all were at Portland and saw the 1 3/4 hp MacLoed I bought. For those of you who couldn't (or wouldn't) be there,,,, It has a nice Webster mag on it. The seller had a hard time starting it for me and blamed it on a wet mag, They didn't cover anything Friday night,,,, EVERYTHING was wet at Portland Saturday. 8>)) Well, I played with the check valve a little but quit because I wasn't at Portland to work on an engine. All I did while at Portland was borrow a file from Dave R's tool box and file some grooves so the gas could get around the ball when it was sucked to the top. A while ago I pulled the fuel line back out of the tank and reworked the check valve some more. At Portland, when I shook it, I could hear the ball moving. At home, when I blew through it, it seemed restricted. So,, I drilled the ball chamber out 1/32 larger than the ball. That's what I do when I build check valves. I put it back together and with the mixer needle open 3/4 turn I retarded the timing lever, closed the choke and pulled the flyheels over once. Then I open the choke and pulled it over just once to have her fire up and run sweet. Advanced the timing and this is a keeper. 8>)) BTW, Dave,,,, Arnie offered your file to me,,,, 8>)) Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From Carrowor at comcast.net Sun Aug 29 16:52:21 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:52:21 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy References: <20040829.123654.1220.6.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <41326C35.000001.03084@NOTEBOOK> Thanks for the suggestions, I've kicked the idea around about running it on a buzz box, but ruins the esthetics for me if ya know what I mean. Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/29/04 12:39:24 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] 5HP Economy Hi Bob, Well - - - I know nothing about igniters except that everyone seems to have problems with them. 1.) My first suggestion would be to talk to someone like Ted Brookover who knows more that I ever will. 2.) My other suggestion would be to rig up a wiper on the cam gear and run it with a buzz coil & battery. But please get more opinions on that. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:20:10 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Bob Jacobs" writes: > I Hope someone can help me out a bit. > > 5HP Economy, looks like it's in time, mag & ignitor off the engine > shows a > pretty good spark but on the engine NOTHING (I even pulled the head > to > check) > > Before anyone gets upset over pulling the head, I'm glad I did, big > mess in > the water jacket in the head, should run nice and cool now (if I > can ever > get it started} > > Anyone know where I could obtain some mica for the ignitor??? only > thing I > can figure is the isolated point mica has to be shorted out under > compression. > > Any and all suggestions, ideas or help in any form will be very > much > appreciated!! > > Bob > Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, > others just use the initials! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Carrowor at comcast.net Sun Aug 29 16:59:32 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:59:32 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy References: <002101c48e10$c238cda0$6500a8c0@FLEMINGWINXP> Message-ID: <41326DE4.000005.03084@NOTEBOOK> Excellent suggestion Don. I think I'll set that up first thing tomorrow morning. That would very well explain an intermittent spark that I'm encountering but never thought about it!! Got the old girl spinning under her own power at least today. changed the angle of the stationary contact point and looks like I'm getting a much hotter spark, still intermittent but I have a feeling your suggestion will solve that problem. Lots of old carbon and grease on this girl and could just be not grounding properly either!! Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/29/04 18:11:42 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] 5HP Economy Hi Bob, I just had a problem with a 6HP International M that has an ignitor ignition. Could not get a pop out of it. After doing some testing I found the moving contact on the ignitor was not grounding. I ran a small wire from a screw on the magneto to the end of the moving contact on the ignitor. The engine started on the first compression stroke. Hard to believe the shaft was not grounding but that was the problem. Just something to check out. Don Fleming Kipling, Sask. d.fleming at sasktel.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 5HP Economy Hello Tom Yepper, checked the gas, had that problem before also (although my LA ran great on very old "varnish" - LOL) I've tried gas through the priming cup, ether etc. but nothing seems to make her work. Haven't even gotten a backfire or anything. oh well, guess I'll get back out there and try again, this engine hasn't been run since 1977ish so it's been a project just getting the wasp nests and cobwebs out of her. Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/29/04 10:38:30 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] 5HP Economy In a message dated 8/28/2004 7:34:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Carrowor at comcast.net writes: << 5HP Economy, looks like it's in time, mag & ignitor off the engine shows a pretty good spark but on the engine NOTHING (I even pulled the head to check) >> Sweet Bob, Have you checked for gas? My 5 hp Economy would not start one time and I checked a lot of things before finally discovering that the gas had gone bad Put in new gas and fired right up. You might try some ether thru the priming cup and see if it will fire. There are lots of parts people in GEM that sell ignitor parts to rebuild if you need them. How about timing, valve setting, compression, etc.? Just some things to ponder! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Carrowor at comcast.net Sun Aug 29 17:02:34 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 20:02:34 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: Fw: Re: [SEL] 5HP Economy Message-ID: <41326E9A.000007.03084@NOTEBOOK> Excellent suggestion Don. I think I'll set that up first thing tomorrow morning. That would very well explain an intermittent spark that I'm encountering but never thought about it!! Got the old girl spinning under her own power at least today. Changed the angle of the stationary contact point and looks like I'm getting a much hotter spark, still intermittent but I have a feeling your suggestion will solve that problem. Lots of old carbon and grease on this girl and could just be not grounding properly either!! Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/29/04 18:11:42 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] 5HP Economy Hi Bob, I just had a problem with a 6HP International M that has an ignitor ignition. Could not get a pop out of it. After doing some testing I found the moving contact on the ignitor was not grounding. I ran a small wire from a screw on the magneto to the end of the moving contact on the ignitor. The engine started on the first compression stroke. Hard to believe the shaft was not grounding but that was the problem. Just something to check out. Don Fleming Kipling, Sask. d.fleming at sasktel.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 5HP Economy Hello Tom Yepper, checked the gas, had that problem before also (although my LA ran great on very old "varnish" - LOL) I've tried gas through the priming cup, ether etc. but nothing seems to make her work. Haven't even gotten a backfire or anything. oh well, guess I'll get back out there and try again, this engine hasn't been run since 1977ish so it's been a project just getting the wasp nests and cobwebs out of her. Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/29/04 10:38:30 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] 5HP Economy In a message dated 8/28/2004 7:34:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Carrowor at comcast.net writes: << 5HP Economy, looks like it's in time, mag & ignitor off the engine shows a pretty good spark but on the engine NOTHING (I even pulled the head to check) >> Sweet Bob, Have you checked for gas? My 5 hp Economy would not start one time and I checked a lot of things before finally discovering that the gas had gone bad Put in new gas and fired right up. You might try some ether thru the priming cup and see if it will fire. There are lots of parts people in GEM that sell ignitor parts to rebuild if you need them. How about timing, valve setting, compression, etc.? Just some things to ponder! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Aug 29 17:07:57 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 01:07:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2004 Message-ID: We've just got back home after our return flight from Chicago, left Muncie at 2am local time, so pretty bushed! We had a GREAT time !! no other word for it. We allowed extra time this year for the travelling and also time to go to Dayton again, and also Indianapolis, to the museum there. We were extraordinarily lucky with the weather, with minimum disruption through rain, but noticed on our way out of Ft Wayne that a huge bank of cloud and rain was piled up southwards, and judging by the emails from the guys at Portland it hit some time on the weekend. We had evening storms as we returned to Muncie, with evening temperatures up at 87 Deg F with very high humidity. Everything worked really well this year, the List dinner at the Back 40 was superb, and Glenn Karch excelled himself as the auctioneer after the meal. Engines and faces were more familiar to us this year, but lots of new stuff to look at and photograph. Took 650+ pictures, so will have to start on editing them and getting them up on the website as soon as we have had some rest. Special thanks to Dave Rotigel, Jim Dunmyer and Curt Holland for fetching stuff to the show for us, and we were able to bring some stuff back home for Dolly as well. The sales area was expanded this year, and despite having three full days on the site we kept on coming across things we had missed or had come in during the day. We were able to spend time this year on looking in more detail at specific engines, and a lot of the pictures we took are details of engines as well as an overall shot. A looooong chat/discussion with Richard Baccus was one of the highlights of the last day, thanks to Richard for an excellent discussion, not often you get the chance to get firsthand feedback from the GEM editor :-)) That's all for now, off to bed! It is now 1am on Monday morning. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Carrowor at comcast.net Sun Aug 29 18:08:43 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:08:43 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Yet another question Message-ID: <41327E1B.000003.03688@NOTEBOOK> Hey troops, I'm just loaded with questions these days. This 5HP Economy I'm working on is equipped with a disengaging pulley. Currently this pulley's clutching mechanisim is bypassed via four bolts holding it ridgid. I tore into it today only to find that there is two shoes inside similar to brake shoes on a car. It appears that at some point and time these shoes had some type of lining on them to provide enough friction for it to actually be able to drive a piece of equipment. Now the question is, does anyone have an idea or knowledge of a person or place I could send these shoes to and have them re-lined so the clutch will actually function as it's intended to do. Steel to steel just isn't gonna drive anything very well. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From Aermoter at aol.com Sun Aug 29 18:50:26 2004 From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:50:26 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT - another question.... Message-ID: <8b.1390f76f.2e63e1e2@aol.com> In a message dated 8/29/2004 2:02:59 AM Central Daylight Time, rwenig at cable-lynx.net writes: Now to explain the differences: What you are calling a hip roof is known to me as a cottage style roof. I don't recall hearing the Gambrel name before. Your Gambrel is what I am calling a "hip roof". Even the lumber yards around here use the term "hip roof" for the double sloped roof. Your gable roof appears to be the same as ours Kinda of makes it hard to explain things sometimes doesn't it? Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. Aermoter at aol.com From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Aug 29 19:16:53 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 22:16:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy Message-ID: <20040829.222927.648.5.jlb94@juno.com> Yep - Know exactly what you mean about esthetics . Well - - - Keep us informed what you find out. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:52:21 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Bob Jacobs" writes: > Thanks for the suggestions, I've kicked the idea around about running > it on > a buzz box, but ruins the esthetics for me if ya know what I mean. > > > Bob > > -------Original Message------- > > From: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 08/29/04 12:39:24 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] 5HP Economy > > Hi Bob, > Well - - - I know nothing about igniters except that everyone seems > to > have problems with them. > > 1.) My first suggestion would be to talk to someone like Ted > Brookover > who knows more that I ever will. > 2.) My other suggestion would be to rig up a wiper on the cam gear > and > run it with a buzz coil & battery. > > But please get more opinions on that. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - > \/)"(\/ but only half as long." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:20:10 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Bob > Jacobs" > writes: > > I Hope someone can help me out a bit. > > > > > > 5HP Economy, looks like it's in time, mag & ignitor off the > engine > > shows a > > pretty good spark but on the engine NOTHING (I even pulled the > head > > to > > check) > > > > > > Before anyone gets upset over pulling the head, I'm glad I did, > big > > mess in > > the water jacket in the head, should run nice and cool now (if > I > > can ever > > get it started} > > > > > > Anyone know where I could obtain some mica for the ignitor??? > only > > thing I > > can figure is the isolated point mica has to be shorted out > under > > compression. > > > > > > Any and all suggestions, ideas or help in any form will be very > > much > > appreciated!! > > > > > > Bob > > > Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, > > > others just use the initials! > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Aug 29 20:11:43 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:11:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Pushing the Envelope Message-ID: <20040829.231143.1152.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hey Guys - I just got to read my Sept. GEM. Wow - Steve - What a great idea ! Loved reading about your "other" hobby. and - in "If It Ain't Broke . . . page 33 Can someone tell me what "Haxle" is ? I've seen these "haxel" cutter around but never knew what they were for. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From wilson at stny.rr.com Sun Aug 29 20:49:31 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:49:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland hotels Message-ID: Sould someone please tell me AGAIN :( what the two hotels are that are really close to the engine show? I think one is a Super 8? I donno what the other one is - not the dive.. I'd like to come next year and bring with me my best lady friend yet :) and of course Skip's 18HP Christensen too :) Thanks, Glenn From wilson at stny.rr.com Sun Aug 29 20:50:12 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:50:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 dates? Message-ID: Someone listed these already. What are they again? Thanks, Glenn Wilson From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Aug 29 21:03:59 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:03:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] PUCE Sunglasses FOUND at Portland Message-ID: <003901c48e46$60f39e90$0400a8c0@Dave> Hi All, When we (Arnie, Mel, Susan, Mike, Curt, Missie, Steve, Devin, Lincoln, and I) were packing up the List area at Portland this morning we found a pair of Chick's sunglasses. We know they must belong to some Chick because they are puce in colo(u)r--some might call the colo(u)r purple! The glasses are Ray-Ban brand and have a neckie thingie that is multi colo(u)red (yellow, blue, puce, red, and orange--in that order.) If whoever owns these glasses will simply respond to this post on List I will send these PUCE glasses to the rightful owner by snail. Mel says they are GOOD QUALITY glasses, although NOT prescription. Dave PS, There was some discussion that these glasses might belong to a "girly man" (AKA a democrat.) Whatever, the ATIS Engine area at Portland is an inclusive place for ALL who appreciate old engines--even "girly men!" From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Aug 29 21:06:46 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:06:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland hotels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4132A7D6.5080800@scrtc.com> Glenn, Super 8 and Hoosier Inn are the 2 near the entrance. However, both have long standing reservations for the show and swap dates. I understand they will put your name on a list in January if an opening comes up but I would say it would be highly unlikely that one would as the list probably has 20 plus names on it already. If you are lucky enough to land one, get ready to pay. The Super 8 rooms will cost you about $125/night, Hoosier about $100. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Glenn Wilson wrote: >Sould someone please tell me AGAIN :( what the two hotels are that are >really close to >the engine show? I think one is a Super 8? I donno what the other one is - >not the >dive.. >I'd like to come next year and bring with me my best lady friend yet :) >and of course Skip's 18HP Christensen too :) > >Thanks, Glenn >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From pwaugh at mchsi.com Sun Aug 29 21:15:38 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:15:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 dates? References: Message-ID: <00b501c48e48$03b79950$0300a8c0@paul> According to my new spiffy calendar, Aug 24,25,26,27 of 2005 Paul Waugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: ".Newsgroup ATIS" Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 10:50 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 dates? > Someone listed these already. What are they again? > Thanks, Glenn Wilson > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Aug 29 21:17:06 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:17:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland hotels References: <4132A7D6.5080800@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <007201c48e48$36600b30$0400a8c0@Dave> Hello Judge, I don't expect you to know but someone on the List must. What is the name of that girly man's motel that rents it's rooms by the hour? Dave > Glenn, > > Super 8 and Hoosier Inn are the 2 near the entrance. However, both > have long standing reservations for the show and swap dates. I > understand they will put your name on a list in January if an opening > comes up but I would say it would be highly unlikely that one would as > the list probably has 20 plus names on it already. If you are lucky > enough to land one, get ready to pay. The Super 8 rooms will cost you > about $125/night, Hoosier about $100. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > Glenn Wilson wrote: > > >Sould someone please tell me AGAIN :( what the two hotels are that are > >really close to > >the engine show? I think one is a Super 8? I donno what the other one is - > >not the > >dive.. > >I'd like to come next year and bring with me my best lady friend yet :) > >and of course Skip's 18HP Christensen too :) > > > >Thanks, Glenn > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From wilson at stny.rr.com Sun Aug 29 22:17:08 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 01:17:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland hotels In-Reply-To: <007201c48e48$36600b30$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: Something like Hooker Hotel and it is a DIVE. Glenn Wilson -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 12:17 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland hotels Hello Judge, I don't expect you to know but someone on the List must. What is the name of that girly man's motel that rents it's rooms by the hour? Dave > Glenn, > > Super 8 and Hoosier Inn are the 2 near the entrance. However, both > have long standing reservations for the show and swap dates. I > understand they will put your name on a list in January if an opening > comes up but I would say it would be highly unlikely that one would as > the list probably has 20 plus names on it already. If you are lucky > enough to land one, get ready to pay. The Super 8 rooms will cost you > about $125/night, Hoosier about $100. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > Glenn Wilson wrote: > > >Sould someone please tell me AGAIN :( what the two hotels are that are > >really close to > >the engine show? I think one is a Super 8? I donno what the other one is - > >not the > >dive.. > >I'd like to come next year and bring with me my best lady friend yet :) > >and of course Skip's 18HP Christensen too :) > > > >Thanks, Glenn > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gwaugh at wowway.com Sun Aug 29 22:20:17 2004 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:20:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - another question.... In-Reply-To: <8b.1390f76f.2e63e1e2@aol.com> Message-ID: <000e01c48e51$09da8eb0$6501a8c0@kgw2400amd> This really does get confusing---to me, the double pitched roof is a "gambrel", or very typical Midwest barn roof. Of course, in many parts of the Midwest (especially up into Minnesota, etc., the barns have curved roofs...this is just to disprove my definition of the gambrel!! For me, the "hip roof", is as has been explained already---if on a square building, the roof would meet in a point; if rectangular, there would be a short ridge. Gene Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Aermoter at aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 8:50 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - another question.... In a message dated 8/29/2004 2:02:59 AM Central Daylight Time, rwenig at cable-lynx.net writes: Now to explain the differences: What you are calling a hip roof is known to me as a cottage style roof. I don't recall hearing the Gambrel name before. Your Gambrel is what I am calling a "hip roof". Even the lumber yards around here use the term "hip roof" for the double sloped roof. Your gable roof appears to be the same as ours Kinda of makes it hard to explain things sometimes doesn't it? Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. Aermoter at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From maytag_eradication_initiative at yahoo.com Mon Aug 30 02:03:02 2004 From: maytag_eradication_initiative at yahoo.com (Hugh Jorgan) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 02:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland hotels In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040830090302.82582.qmail@web50307.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Winslow, Sounds like the snake didn't get you. Lucky you. I believe that the establishment you are thinking of is called The Terrace Lodge Motel; where "Colored TV" (as YOU know) has a whole different meaning. I have never heard a female gerbil refferred to as a "lady friend", but hey, whatever yanks your crank, and if anyone knows crank yankin', it's you! Later, Hugh Hugh Jorgan Maytag Eradication Initiative --- Glenn Wilson wrote: > Sould someone please tell me AGAIN :( what the two hotels are that > are > really close to > the engine show? I think one is a Super 8? I donno what the other > one is - > not the > dive.. > I'd like to come next year and bring with me my best lady friend > yet :) > and of course Skip's 18HP Christensen too :) > > Thanks, Glenn > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From oldengin at udata.com Mon Aug 30 06:12:18 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:12:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sunglasses FOUND at Portland and other sundries... In-Reply-To: <003901c48e46$60f39e90$0400a8c0@Dave> References: <003901c48e46$60f39e90$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <413327B2.7060804@udata.com> BTW sorry we did not stop to say bye... Rain was on its way and we where trying to hurry. Did not get around fast enough as I was soaked sitting in line to leave. The bad part of this fine show is that when it starts it has to end. If any of you have never been there then it is a must on your list cause if you can only do one show a year this is the show....... My new home is much better than the one in front of the log cabin and from the sounds of it was much dryer. This had to be the best one yet as it was close to record number of campers, vendors, ENGINS, steam, models, members and gate.... The only slight draw back was the rain and man did it pour, but for the most of you who have done this show- Would it be Portland with out rain???? We had a great time and hope everyone else did also. And I am sorry to have missed the photo shot, but was informed not everyone wanted to see an eclipse 8-) Brandi and I where out after the charity auction on Thur. and the section called "FRENCHIES" looked like a party. People everywhere and most with at least one bag on there hands, and some had even made some purchases.... Again THANKS to all for your help and friendship in this the 39th show.............. ps I did conduct some sermons and think I got one or two converts!!!! -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From shop at cccomm.net Mon Aug 30 06:29:25 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 06:29:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Minden 2004 Show Message-ID: <004f01c48e95$5e9b16b0$6401a8c0@Shop> Here are some pictures from the Minden Nevada show. Dave E http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31385643&f= From Carrowor at comcast.net Mon Aug 30 06:39:25 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:39:25 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Minden 2004 Show References: <004f01c48e95$5e9b16b0$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <41332E0D.000001.01008@NOTEBOOK> Nice Pics Only problem is that you didn't deliver that little steamer here!!! Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/30/04 09:30:34 To: Engine List Subject: [SEL] Minden 2004 Show Here are some pictures from the Minden Nevada show. Dave E http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31385643&f= _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldengin at udata.com Mon Aug 30 06:56:46 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:56:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT keyless remote program In-Reply-To: <20040830090302.82582.qmail@web50307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040830090302.82582.qmail@web50307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4133321E.1020205@udata.com> Gday I need help programming a keyless remote for a Ford... Anyone with some link or ideas will be appreciated THanks -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Aug 30 07:10:18 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:10:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] PUCE Sunglasses FOUND at Portland References: <003901c48e46$60f39e90$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <4133354A.5E56CE4E@insulate.co.uk> Hi Dave I can't imagine who would own a pair of PURPLE sunglasses besides me! Are you quite sure you're not just trying to give them a bad press so you get to keep them for yourself? The purple would make a nice contrast with the red suspenders. Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Aug 30 07:42:04 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:42:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] New Portland Engine Message-ID: Glad you got her running Alan. I knew it was a fuel problem. When you cover the mixer opening like that and crank and crank and crank with no fuel running out, something's not right :-) Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================= >From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] New Portland Engine >Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:25:03 -0400 > >Hi Folks, > >Some of y'all were at Portland and saw the 1 3/4 hp MacLoed I bought. >For those of you who couldn't (or wouldn't) be there,,,, It has a nice >Webster mag on it. > >The seller had a hard time starting it for me and blamed it on a wet >mag, They didn't cover anything Friday night,,,, EVERYTHING was wet >at Portland Saturday. 8>)) > >Well, I played with the check valve a little but quit because I wasn't >at Portland to work on an engine. All I did while at Portland was >borrow a file from Dave R's tool box and file some grooves so the gas >could get around the ball when it was sucked to the top. > >A while ago I pulled the fuel line back out of the tank and reworked the >check valve some more. At Portland, when I shook it, I could hear the >ball moving. At home, when I blew through it, it seemed restricted. >So,, I drilled the ball chamber out 1/32 larger than the ball. > >That's what I do when I build check valves. >I put it back together and with the mixer needle open 3/4 turn I >retarded the timing lever, closed the choke and pulled the flyheels over >once. Then I open the choke and pulled it over just once to have her >fire up and run sweet. Advanced the timing and this is a keeper. 8>)) > >BTW, Dave,,,, Arnie offered your file to me,,,, 8>)) > >Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net >Williamsburg, Michigan _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 30 08:02:09 2004 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:02:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT But Everyone's in Portland Anyway Message-ID: >>>I understand that a lot...when I'm not working on rusty iron I'm >>>exploring caves. Come back from a good trip with all kinds of scrapes >>>and bruises! >>>B? >>>Bill Brueck (brick) >>>Chatfield, Minnesota USA You and my kid, Bill. Missouri is a great state for spelunking ? his college work in geology didn?t help any. He?s a copper in Colorado now, but still finds time for a brief visit between caving expeditions when he comes back for a wedding or something. And don?t forget the clay mud. That went in the washing machine exactly once before momma put a stop to that. He bought an old wringer Maytag for caving clothes. I just go to the thrift shop/used uniform place where I can get a whole outfit for a buck. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Lenexa, KS sluggo54 at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 30 08:06:00 2004 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:06:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Valve Spring Installation Message-ID: >>>Hi Bruce, >>>For putting the valves back in, first put on your eye protection, then, >>>put a valve spring in your bench vise with about a third exposed. >>>Compress it gently but not quite all the way. Use a nylon string to pass >>>through the valve spring, end to end, and tie it in the compressed mode. >>>Loosen the vise, turn the valve spring half way and repeat. At this >>>point you have the valve spring in the compressed mode, tied by string on >>>each side. Install, cut string, and pull out the string with your >>>needlenose pliers. >>>Regards, >>>Ron Carroll >>>Clearmont, MO >>>(Where we had RAIN last night.) Dang, Ron ? seems simple enough. There?s a talent to doing things the easy way, I guess. Shame I don?t have it. And TELL me about the rain. We were on our way to Columbia. Was wishing for one of those propeller hitch covers. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Lenexa, KS sluggo54 at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From mraasch at hickorytech.net Mon Aug 30 08:59:00 2004 From: mraasch at hickorytech.net (Marc Raasch) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:59:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy engine Message-ID: <000d01c48eaa$44224e60$edff72d8@hickorytech.net> Hello I have a Economy engine and don't know the year. Serial # 2593 stamped on the end of the crank shaft. Staped with a D and 2 1/2 hp It's a good runner had it at Lesuer Pioneer power worked good all three days. M raasch St Peter Mn., Thanks mraasch at hickorytech.net From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Aug 30 09:21:02 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:21:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Barber Bro's. engine Message-ID: <200408301621.i7UGL5cK058897@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi, I recently acquired a 3 Horse Barber Bro's vert. engine. Would anyone on the list have any information on this engine? Right now it is in port Ewen NY.[near Kingston].It needs a lift towards San Francisco Ca. or any points west. I think I could forward a picture to anyone that could put up on their sight if it would help. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Aug 30 09:16:40 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:16:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC 3hp M Message-ID: Howdy all; Well my machinist bud Spudhead finally got the bug. Got himself a real nice 3hp M for 60 bucks...aarrgghhhh!!! It's got the IHC low tension mag and igniter. Any helpful hints out there? I believe the valves are stuck...other than that, she should run. Thanks much!! RickinMt. PS: Mr. Hammink..I've sic'd him on your site. Thanks much!!! From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Aug 30 10:01:52 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:01:52 +0200 Subject: [SEL] IHC 3hp M References: Message-ID: <000f01c48eb3$0c453990$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Rick he always is welcome and since he has an ignitor fired one he will get a nice and quietly running engine when it's done. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Howdy all; > Well my machinist bud Spudhead finally got the bug. Got himself a real > nice 3hp M for 60 bucks...aarrgghhhh!!! It's got the IHC low tension mag > and igniter. > Any helpful hints out there? I believe the valves are stuck...other than > that, she should run. > > Thanks much!! > RickinMt. > PS: Mr. Hammink..I've sic'd him on your site. Thanks much!!! From pwaugh at mchsi.com Mon Aug 30 10:11:20 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:11:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] portland pics Message-ID: <002001c48eb4$5eb1bae0$0300a8c0@paul> I think this will work to see what I came up with for Portland .. just go to Portland albums http://community.webshots.com/user/pwaugh63 Paul Waugh From glenn.karch at gte.net Mon Aug 30 10:16:46 2004 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:16:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy engine References: <000d01c48eaa$44224e60$edff72d8@hickorytech.net> Message-ID: <001101c48eb5$236eb860$4229ea41@oemcomputer> Marc, Your D Economy was made in the first half of 1914. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Raasch" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:59 AM Subject: [SEL] Economy engine > Hello > I have a Economy engine and don't know the year. > Serial # 2593 stamped on the end of the crank shaft. > Staped with a D and 2 1/2 hp > It's a good runner had it at Lesuer Pioneer power > worked good all three days. > M raasch St Peter Mn., Thanks > mraasch at hickorytech.net > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Aug 30 10:22:14 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:22:14 EDT Subject: [SEL] portland pics Message-ID: <29.6061d87d.2e64bc46@aol.com> Thanks for sharing your pictures. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 30 10:33:57 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:33:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland hotels References: <4132A7D6.5080800@scrtc.com> <007201c48e48$36600b30$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <41336505.3020301@imc-group.com> Dave/Glenn, That would be the old Terrace Lodge Motel. However, I noticed it has a new sign and name. It is the Economy "something". But you know... Same dive, different Indian..... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Dave Rotigel wrote: >Hello Judge, > I don't expect you to know but someone on the List must. What is the >name of that girly man's motel that rents it's rooms by the hour? > Dave > > > >>Glenn, >> >> Super 8 and Hoosier Inn are the 2 near the entrance. However, both >>have long standing reservations for the show and swap dates. I >>understand they will put your name on a list in January if an opening >>comes up but I would say it would be highly unlikely that one would as >>the list probably has 20 plus names on it already. If you are lucky >>enough to land one, get ready to pay. The Super 8 rooms will cost you >>about $125/night, Hoosier about $100. >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> >>Glenn Wilson wrote: >> >> >> >>>Sould someone please tell me AGAIN :( what the two hotels are that are >>>really close to >>>the engine show? I think one is a Super 8? I donno what the other one >>> >>> >is - > > >>>not the >>>dive.. >>>I'd like to come next year and bring with me my best lady friend yet :) >>>and of course Skip's 18HP Christensen too :) >>> >>>Thanks, Glenn >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 30 10:45:59 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:45:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Yet another question References: <41327E1B.000003.03688@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <413367D7.6080303@imc-group.com> Bob, If your clutch is a typical Herc clutch (Bierman I think) then the shoes are made of wood. Just use some small blocks of oak, trace the radius on them, and cut 'em out. There are two carriage style bolts that get c'snk in the radiused side. Make adjustments so all 4 are dragging/pulling equally and then adjust all evenly so a good hard push snaps the clutch in the locked position. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. We'd all like to see pictures of your engine! P.P.S. Really like your SOB sig line. Bob Jacobs wrote: > Hey troops, > > > >I'm just loaded with questions these days. > > > >This 5HP Economy I'm working on is equipped with a disengaging pulley. > >Currently this pulley's clutching mechanisim is bypassed via four bolts >holding > >it ridgid. I tore into it today only to find that there is two shoes inside >similar > >to brake shoes on a car. It appears that at some point and time these shoes > >had some type of lining on them to provide enough friction for it to >actually be > >able to drive a piece of equipment. > > > >Now the question is, does anyone have an idea or knowledge of a person or > >place I could send these shoes to and have them re-lined so the clutch will > >actually function as it's intended to do. Steel to steel just isn't gonna >drive > >anything very well. > > > >Bob > >Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, > >others just use the initials! >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jbcast at charter.net Mon Aug 30 10:59:21 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:59:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT keyless remote program Message-ID: <391to2$7ie07u@mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net> > Subject: [SEL] OT keyless remote program > > Gday > I need help programming a keyless remote for a Ford... Anyone with > some link or ideas will be appreciated THanks > Leroy, let me know the year and model, I'll let you know the procedure. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Aug 30 11:28:40 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:28:40 +0200 Subject: [SEL] portland pics References: <002001c48eb4$5eb1bae0$0300a8c0@paul> Message-ID: <000501c48ebf$2c6327d0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Paul, Thanks for sharing the Portland pics, got me a little idea how it was. Is that Neville Beauty from the UK in pic IMG_404? Thanks again, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web I think this will work to see what I came up with for Portland .. just go to Portland albums http://community.webshots.com/user/pwaugh63 Paul Waugh From Carrowor at comcast.net Mon Aug 30 12:15:43 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:15:43 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Yet another question References: <413367D7.6080303@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <41337CDF.000003.03020@NOTEBOOK> Well Shoot, It doesn't appear to be the "typical" Herc clutch but it might be. I'll be back at it a little later and see what I can figure out. I'd love to post pics but not sure where or how. Being an over the road trucker for the past 28 years I'm amazed that I can still type let alone figure this internet out. All I know how to do is make lame excuses to the DOT and my dispatcher as to what was going on. LOL Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/30/04 13:45:40 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Yet another question Bob, If your clutch is a typical Herc clutch (Bierman I think) then the shoes are made of wood. Just use some small blocks of oak, trace the radius on them, and cut 'em out. There are two carriage style bolts that get c'snk in the radiused side. Make adjustments so all 4 are dragging/pulling equally and then adjust all evenly so a good hard push snaps the clutch in the locked position. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. We'd all like to see pictures of your engine! P.P.S. Really like your SOB sig line. Bob Jacobs wrote: > Hey troops, > > > >I'm just loaded with questions these days. > > > >This 5HP Economy I'm working on is equipped with a disengaging pulley. > >Currently this pulley's clutching mechanisim is bypassed via four bolts >holding > >it ridgid. I tore into it today only to find that there is two shoes inside >similar > >to brake shoes on a car. It appears that at some point and time these shoes > >had some type of lining on them to provide enough friction for it to >actually be > >able to drive a piece of equipment. > > > >Now the question is, does anyone have an idea or knowledge of a person or > >place I could send these shoes to and have them re-lined so the clutch will > >actually function as it's intended to do. Steel to steel just isn't gonna >drive > >anything very well. > > > >Bob > >Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, > >others just use the initials! >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldengin at udata.com Mon Aug 30 12:46:04 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:46:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves In-Reply-To: <3a6eho$6usb73@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3a6eho$6usb73@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <413383FC.3020305@udata.com> > > >>My question - - - What kind of valve spring compressor might I use on >>this engine ? >> >> >> want a cheap compressor? take an old putty knife and cut a groove down the middle and use it instead of screwdrivers.. Thinner and you will only need two hands. I, like JB, use grease to hold the keepers on a small screwdriver and then turn them to the back so the other can be installed, then release the pressure of the putty knife and you are all set.. I have 4 different compressors and the putty knife, it still is used on a few tight work places. -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 30 14:57:16 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Engines, not so stationary In-Reply-To: <200408181740.i7IHeOdr152646262@goku.city-net.com> References: <200408181740.i7IHeOdr152646262@goku.city-net.com> Message-ID: Jeeze Rob, she's wearing shorts!!! 8-)) Great pics BTW. See ya, Arnie On Wed, 18 Aug 2004, Rob Skinner wrote: > http://engines.rustyiron.com/lanevictory From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Aug 30 15:21:24 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:21:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Minden 2004 Show In-Reply-To: <004f01c48e95$5e9b16b0$6401a8c0@Shop> References: <004f01c48e95$5e9b16b0$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: Hey, that old crawler tractor is cool! On Aug 30, 2004, at 9:29 AM, Dave Ernst wrote: > Here are some pictures from the Minden Nevada show. > > Dave E > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009545&a=31385643&f= John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 30 15:47:33 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland, The Olde Iron Road In-Reply-To: <006d01c48625$d783fd80$0300a8c0@paul> References: <000601c48560$e9f4b6a0$d2b6f504@x8h7l9> <006d01c48625$d783fd80$0300a8c0@paul> Message-ID: Hi Paul, On Thu, 19 Aug 2004, Paul wrote: > Main St is US 27 ... basically after the 22nd of August just follow the old > iron on trailers, prolly can start doing that 50 miles out and they will get > you there Dave and I had an interesting experience LEAVING Portland on Sunday. Just after getting onto I-70 East, we were in stopped traffic. And what an interesting "engine show" it was. Leading off was the Farmer family with the big Fairbanks-Morse diesel, then their Reid, then my Bessemer and Crossley, then Dave's 15 hp Famous. Quite an Olde Iron Road on display. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 30 15:44:54 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:44:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thanks for the Card Message-ID: <003401c48ee2$f8468220$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Hi Folks, many thanks for the Card, it made Jen cry, her Dad passed away last monday and we had the funneral on Wed. Thanks again, your all the tops. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Aug 30 07:19:18 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:19:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Lake Portland Message-ID: Yes Leroy it certainly is the greatest!! We loaded up after the ankle deep water drained off a little bit. We finished loading when it was raining again. Loved every minute of it and wouldn't have wanted to change it. I will remember this one for a looooong time. That's why we go, for the "Portland Experience". Didn't get a chance to chat with you Leroy, but want to thank you very much for roping off the camping area. I really appreciate it. Also thanks to Dave for organizing the dinner and roping off the display area. Thanks to Glenn for doing the auction. Thanks to everyone else that took part in making Portland what it is. It's not just the show that makes it great it is the people from the SEL that make it the best show. Shirley and Brooky had a wonderful time too. It was great seeing all of my SEL friends. Can't wait until next year!! They just seem to get better and better. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========================== >From: "Leroy C." >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Lake Portland >Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:01:05 -0400 > >STill the greatest show on earth!!!!! Yes we did get caught up in some of >the rain as we where close to leaving when we got stuck in the out pour of >autos and campers leaving, took us 40 minutes from the camp ground to reach >St. Rt. 27. As we worked our way home here in Ohia water was across >Interstate 75 in Lima and traffic was backed up about 5 mile, we got off on >4th street and took another route home with little trouble with water ( did >drive into the water across the exit ramp that was over my trailer lights) >this was not a pretty sight. Also ask me what I think of michelin tires >some time as I have 3 with holes on this trip!!!!!!!!!! > >-- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > >"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > >better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From jhcullom at adelphia.net Mon Aug 30 14:43:45 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:43:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] portland pics References: <002001c48eb4$5eb1bae0$0300a8c0@paul> Message-ID: <002501c48eda$6df08330$6401a8c0@john> Paul, I haven't gotten to the Portland pics yet, but I gotta know, what happened in the Christmas 2003 album? Is that you? Looks like you got hit with a BFH.... John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" I think this will work to see what I came up with for Portland .. just go to Portland albums http://community.webshots.com/user/pwaugh63 From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 30 17:42:32 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:42:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 dates? References: <00b501c48e48$03b79950$0300a8c0@paul> Message-ID: <005401c48ef3$67790cc0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > According to my new spiffy calendar, Aug 24,25,26,27 of 2005 > > Paul Waugh > darn did I miss something ? Chuck From pwaugh at mchsi.com Mon Aug 30 17:52:16 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:52:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] portland pics References: <002001c48eb4$5eb1bae0$0300a8c0@paul> <002501c48eda$6df08330$6401a8c0@john> Message-ID: <004501c48ef4$c3111ea0$0300a8c0@paul> OK, that is nose surgery for skin cancer from tooo much sun ..beware :)) Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] portland pics > Paul, > I haven't gotten to the Portland pics yet, but I gotta know, what happened > in the Christmas 2003 album? Is that you? Looks like you got hit with a > BFH.... > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul" > I think this will work to see what I came up with for Portland .. just go to > Portland albums > http://community.webshots.com/user/pwaugh63 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ivancou at usachoice.net Mon Aug 30 17:59:10 2004 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:59:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] portland pics References: <002001c48eb4$5eb1bae0$0300a8c0@paul> Message-ID: <002601c48ef5$ba692080$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Wow ! Major puddles . I've been there before when it rains , I remember one year they were going around with a small backhoe digging ditches . Ivan From pwaugh at mchsi.com Mon Aug 30 18:02:39 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:02:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 dates? References: <00b501c48e48$03b79950$0300a8c0@paul> <005401c48ef3$67790cc0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <004b01c48ef6$362bb6b0$0300a8c0@paul> May be Chuck the calendar which this is the first year, looks real good .. ATIS people and engines are well represented .. the neat thing, it has show dates for the surrounding area all year long, and a CONTACT number .. great calendar Paul > > > > According to my new spiffy calendar, Aug 24,25,26,27 of 2005 > > > > Paul Waugh > > > > darn did I miss something ? > > > Chuck > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 30 18:10:09 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Lake Portland In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Luke, Man you hit the ol' nail on the head with this post! Portland IS the people!! Once again I managed to spend a week there and not get to see much of the ENGINE show. But I had a ball!! And the ones who weren't there this year were greatly missed. One of the highlights for me was watching one of Neville Beaty's engine mates (Craig Morrison) experience Portland for the first time. Craig is from Scotland and has a really nice engine collection. I think it's fair to say he was like the little kid in the candy store. He also got on really well with the list folk so I'm guessing that we'll see him on-list soon. As to Lake Portland, the SEL mob dealt with it really well. I think Lincoln, Brooky, and that other big kid Susan had the most fun of all. I also noticed that the SEL engines were running all through the downpour! This year I was on the receiving end of another "Portland SEL tradition", namely getting a new found engine running. I had gotten a 2 hp Bessemer from Steve Royster that he delivered to Portland. As with many a new engine, no one knows how long it had been since it had run last. That meant a fair amount of work to do. And then comes the point where you try to get a chuff. And THAT is where the list folks really shine. Loads of advice, encouragement, friendly abuse, loan of parts, extra hands, etc. We finally hit the right combination of factors, and CHUFF! Off she went! Ran the rest of the day and all of the next. Even in the HEAVY rain. What a GREAT feeling. Thanks to EVERYONE who helped and heckled. It was great fun!! Another highlight for me was meeting Sweet Thang (aka Carol Ann). Damn what a charming gal!! Steve? She's a KEEPER!! And the best part was watching her asking folks if they'd seen Steve's brother Mike. She said she had a present for him. And I never knew that Mike even played baseball let alone that he needed a new bat. 8-)))) I even had fun on Sunday getting my trailer out of the mud bog. That was the first time that I'd needed a FATG to tow the Jeep and trailer out. But at least it was a RED tractor and he looked like he was having fun too. All in all a GREAT week and I can't wait till 2005!! See ya, Arnie PS - Have folks noticed how many SEL folks are in that nifty Portland calandar? KEWL!! And what a great idea; a calandar that runs from August to August!!!! Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Yes Leroy it certainly is the greatest!! We loaded up after the ankle deep > water drained off a little bit. We finished loading when it was raining > again. Loved every minute of it and wouldn't have wanted to change it. I > will remember this one for a looooong time. That's why we go, for the > "Portland Experience". Didn't get a chance to chat with you Leroy, but want > to thank you very much for roping off the camping area. I really appreciate > it. Also thanks to Dave for organizing the dinner and roping off the > display area. Thanks to Glenn for doing the auction. Thanks to everyone > else that took part in making Portland what it is. It's not just the show > that makes it great it is the people from the SEL that make it the best > show. Shirley and Brooky had a wonderful time too. It was great seeing all > of my SEL friends. Can't wait until next year!! They just seem to get > better and better. From alanb2 at webtv.net Mon Aug 30 18:26:03 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:26:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 dates? In-Reply-To: 's message of Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:42:32 -0500 Message-ID: <6577-4133D3AB-985@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net> Hi Chuck, Yup,,, Anyone that was at the Portland show that did NOT get a show calendar for just five bucks doesn't et to see the picture for April of 2005.It shows the split personallity of our very own Dave Rotigel. It is a picture of him driving his tr@(70r and towing a trailer with his Herc. onto a trailer. I'm just glad there isn't an SEL sign in the picture. Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan ~~~~~Chuck wrote~~~ According to my new spiffy calendar, Aug 24,25,26,27 of 2005 Paul Waugh darn did I miss something ? Chuck From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Aug 30 18:38:02 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:38:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs "Y" Message-ID: <20040830.213802.1208.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Guys, Today - I went into the mag part of the Briggs "Y". Cleaned & Reset the points - Disconnected the Run / Stop switch - Installed a new Capacitor - - - Still the same thing. I get spark - but apparantly not enought to make her fire. As a last resort, I belted the FBriggs up to an electric motor and tried to adjust the carb while it was trying to run - But it seemed hopeless. Finally I gave up and feel that I just aint getting enought spark to make it run. I have another Briggs "Y" and I might see if I can make one good one out of the two. Darn !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From alanb2 at webtv.net Mon Aug 30 18:48:05 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:48:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Portland Engine In-Reply-To: "Luke Tonneberger" 's message of Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:42:04 +0000 Message-ID: <6574-4133D8D5-3577@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net> Ya Luke, I knew it was too. When I pulled the fuel line back out I fully intended on putting one of the check valves I have made on it, but I seem to have misplaced a parts kit. So,,, When I drilled this one out and put it back together actually the first time I pulled it over with the choke closed I got a LOT of gas. Then I remembered I had opened the needle valve up a lot. 8>)) At 3/4 turn open it pulls up enough with one pull of the flywheels then I open the choke all the way to start her. I am anxious to take her to her first local show this weekend. Now to find a bunch of old time thick nuts to get rid of all those silly brass ones. There are three nuts that hold the cylinder base to the crank base. At least the one in the center bottom is an original nut. I guess whoever "restored" it thought that one wouldn't show. I don't call all those brass nuts part of a restoration. I would like to know if the red and green paint is right too. Anyone else got an old 1 3/4 hp H&M MacLeod with a Webster mag that can help with the color question? TIA Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan ~~~~Luke?Tonneberger wrote~~~~ Glad you got her running Alan. I knew it was a fuel problem. When you cover the mixer opening like that and crank and crank and crank with no fuel running out, something's not right :-) Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Aug 30 18:50:37 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:50:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves Message-ID: <20040830.215946.1208.4.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks Leroy I was able to muscle the valve springs out and -to get them back in - I squeezed them in a vice and used a light bailin wire to bind them and insert them. Worked okay - You can read in my last message that the Briggs "Y" just will not run. I think the magnets might need recharged. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Two can live a cheaply as one - \/)"(\/ but only half as long." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:46:04 -0400 "Leroy C." writes: > > > > > >>My question - - - What kind of valve spring compressor might I use > on > >>this engine ? > >> > >> > >> > want a cheap compressor? take an old putty knife and cut a groove > down > the middle and use it instead of screwdrivers.. Thinner and you will > > only need two hands. I, like JB, use grease to hold the keepers on a > > small screwdriver and then turn them to the back so the other can be > > installed, then release the pressure of the putty knife and you are > all > set.. I have 4 different compressors and the putty knife, it still > is > used on a few tight work places. > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From skipl at montana.com Mon Aug 30 20:34:52 2004 From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:34:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy engine References: <000d01c48eaa$44224e60$edff72d8@hickorytech.net> Message-ID: <4133F1DC.2A37AAD0@montana.com> acording to glenn karch, it was built in 1914 skip in nw montana Marc Raasch wrote: > Hello > I have a Economy engine and don't know the year. > Serial # 2593 stamped on the end of the crank shaft. > Staped with a D and 2 1/2 hp > It's a good runner had it at Lesuer Pioneer power > worked good all three days. > M raasch St Peter Mn., Thanks > mraasch at hickorytech.net > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Aug 30 20:33:08 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:33:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 dates? References: <00b501c48e48$03b79950$0300a8c0@paul> <005401c48ef3$67790cc0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <032901c48f0b$3c400fa0$0400a8c0@Dave> > > According to my new spiffy calendar, Aug 24,25,26,27 of 2005 > > > > Paul Waugh > > > > darn did I miss something ? > > > Chuck The Portland calendar runs front August to August and contains 24 pictures of last years show. Of those 24 pictures THREE (3) are of the ATIS SEL area. That tells you something about our group and what the Portland people think of us! Dave From kcrawford at adelphia.net Mon Aug 30 19:11:10 2004 From: kcrawford at adelphia.net (Kevin Crawford) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:11:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Message-ID: <002501c48eff$c889df60$6401a8c0@bp3> Hi We packed up Friday night just before the rain so we could leave Saturday morning and didn't get a chance to say thanks to Dave, LeRoy, Glen and everybody else that helped get my Jeager running. If it weren't for you guys I would still be spinning those flywheels trying to make it run with the wrong trip on the mag. Also wanted to thank those that gave us the ride to and from the dinner on Thursday. We had a great time and look forward to the next time. Thanks again Kevin & Janann From jenkins.frames at juno.com Tue Aug 31 03:33:48 2004 From: jenkins.frames at juno.com (Arthur r Jenkins) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 06:33:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <20040831.064504.-1946387.0.jenkins.frames@juno.com> Tom Thanks for the offer to store the Johnson, you and one other were all the interest there was. The other gentleman must want the Johnson engine. He is willing to purchase it from me. Since my plans were to give it to someone that could use it (hopefuly close) the aggrement we have come to is that I will crate it and he will pay for the shipping. Hope you understand my thinking in that it may have a home where it will get love and care and regular exercise. A loving hope with a proud pappa to take the Johnson out and show it off. I want to thank you for your offer and who knows one day I may have something else. On a lighter note I only go to a few of the local shows. The Powhatan show in April, Sommerset pasture party, Field days, The Amelia show in October. THat is about all I attend. However if you ever see me feel free to introduce yourself. My exhibit as such is a Checker Cab, red with American on the roof light. Thanks for the offer Arthur On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:31:01 EDT Germoamer at aol.com writes: > In a message dated 8/29/2004 8:14:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > jenkins.frames at juno.com writes: > > << I have a Johnson engine, a small engine like a > maytag. Would anyone want it? >> > > Arthur, > > I live on a large farm, not far from you and have plenty of room to > store > junk, but slowly running out of shed space. If your need a home for > the engine, > I can take it. I live west of you near Appomattox. To help with > the roof > storage problem, I just ordered a metal carport and should be here > this week. > Cannot build a roof for the price they sell those metal car sheds > and install > them. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From oldengin at udata.com Tue Aug 31 03:26:56 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 06:26:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 dates? In-Reply-To: <005401c48ef3$67790cc0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <00b501c48e48$03b79950$0300a8c0@paul> <005401c48ef3$67790cc0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <41345270.7030907@udata.com> kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: > > > > > >>According to my new spiffy calendar, Aug 24,25,26,27 of 2005 >> >>Paul Waugh >> >> >> > >darn did I miss something ? > > >Chuck >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > MISS, miss............. yep only the greatest show ever in Portland. Iron was so cheap that some of the vendors where giving it away! and other where sold out before Wed. nite. Still others brought stuff most people would have never got to see if it was not for this show. I seen a baby Geiser with "NEW" gears and a Dave R. finish. I also seen a KC Press engin that ran almost the entire show, I seen an engin that looks to have been buried underground for the last 40 years. Even this year, with the help of some of the SEL tractor guys, I found that Portland does have a display of tractors.. In fact I was made an honorary tractor member, they ask that I walk into their area backwards for some reason. I really do not think it was possible to walk the entire sales area as it ws HUGE!!! and yes it was there and for sale if you looked long enough and hard enough. ps me dawgs are still sore. -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From oldengin at udata.com Tue Aug 31 03:38:38 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 06:38:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves In-Reply-To: <20040830.215946.1208.4.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20040830.215946.1208.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <4134552E.1090605@udata.com> jlb94 at juno.com wrote: >Thanks Leroy >I was able to muscle the valve springs out and -to get them back in - I >squeezed them in a vice and used a light bailin wire to bind them and >insert them. > >Worked okay - You can read in my last message that the Briggs "Y" just >will not run. >I think the magnets might need recharged. > >Joe > Joe, now this might sound funny but.... Take off the flywheel, bolted on, and turn it 180 degrees and try it again. I have had one or two that this was critical and would only run with the flywheel on in the proper location I might be interested in your extra parts if you decide to strip one of them down. -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Aug 31 05:07:03 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 05:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves In-Reply-To: <4134552E.1090605@udata.com> References: <20040830.215946.1208.4.jlb94@juno.com> <4134552E.1090605@udata.com> Message-ID: <1060.165.206.180.118.1093954023.squirrel@antique-engines.com> As I recall from the two Y's I have, the flywheel should only bolt on the correct way - HOWEVER, I can see where the hole wears and the thing would possibly bolt on 180 degrees off. On mine, there was no choice unless I forced the bolt. (one side of the flywheel hole was larger than the other) I'll have to look, seems to me I have 2 or 3 pieces left from a Y parts engine. Bill (Time to rake leaves and turn the furnace on!) > jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > >>Thanks Leroy >>I was able to muscle the valve springs out and -to get them back in - I >>squeezed them in a vice and used a light bailin wire to bind them and >>insert them. >> >>Worked okay - You can read in my last message that the Briggs "Y" just >>will not run. >>I think the magnets might need recharged. >> >>Joe >> > Joe, now this might sound funny but.... Take off the flywheel, bolted > on, and turn it 180 degrees and try it again. I have had one or two that > this was critical and would only run with the flywheel on in the proper > location I might be interested in your extra parts if you decide to > strip one of them down. > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From andyglines at hotmail.com Tue Aug 31 06:10:27 2004 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 09:10:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Briggs Y Message-ID: I'm not familiar with the Briggs Y but I have been monkeying with small engines a bit lately. I went through much of the same trouble with a Briggs A that you are. Help from the SEL palyed a big part in getting it to run properly again. You have already done one of my favorite tricks which is to belt it to an electric motor. With the electric motor you can monkey with the fuel and other settings while it turning. You seem to have dealt with any compression issues already. Your probably right about spark being you problem. When cranking, does the plug get wet with gas? If it doesn't you probably aren't getting enough gas. If the plug does get wet then its flooded and we have to figure out why. Check the plug wire for cuts, breaks, and cracks. If the wire is damaged the spark will jump to ground before it reaches the plug. Also start out with a known good or new plug. It is wise to check the plug on a good running engine. Even new plugs are bad sometimes. Never trust on old plug because it looks good. You can't see the tiny cracks in the porcelin that will make one fail. Have you visually tested the spark? Take the plug out and groud it with the wire connected. You can usually do this by laying it on the cylinder head with the wire attached. Crank the engine and make sure that it is jumping a strong spark between the electrodes. If it does make spark make sure it is a strong blue spark and not weak or erratic. If you have good spark go back to look at the fuel system. If you don't have spark reexamine the plug, wire, points, & condensor/capacitor. I had to repalce two capacitors on the briggs A before I got a good one. I found that when the capacitor went bad it would jump a very small gap .005"-.010" but not the .030"-.035" needed to fire a plug. As others mentioned, it could be weak magnets in the flywheel but I lean toward a bad capacitor. Check these things and write back to us. BTW I'm not sure of how much much experience that you have with engines so I apologize if I overexplained things. > >Hi Guys, >Today - I went into the mag part of the Briggs "Y". >Cleaned & Reset the points - Disconnected the Run / Stop switch - >Installed a new Capacitor - - - Still the same thing. I get spark - but >apparantly not enought to make her fire. > >As a last resort, I belted the FBriggs up to an electric motor and tried >to adjust the carb while it was trying to run - But it seemed hopeless. > >Finally I gave up and feel that I just aint getting enought spark to make >it run. > >I have another Briggs "Y" and I might see if I can make one good one out >of the two. > >Darn !!! > _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Aug 31 07:05:18 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 07:05:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Yet another question In-Reply-To: <41327E1B.000003.03688@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <200408311405.i7VE5Na6026800@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > similar to brake shoes on a car. It appears that at some > point and time these shoes had some type of lining on them to > provide enough friction for it to > actually be able to drive a piece of equipment. Now the > question is, does anyone have an idea or knowledge of a > person or place I could send these shoes to and have them > re-lined so the clutch will actually function as it's > intended to do. Hi Bob, This shouldn't be a difficult job and you can probably complete it yourself with basic hand tools. If you intend to subject the clutch to heavy use or let it run for extraordinarily long periods while disengaged, get some brake lining material from McMaster-Carr. Get the softer, non-metallic material to prevent excessive wear. You can get it in various thicknesses, widths and sheets. If you're just going to use the clutch periodically or for light duty, use leather. Many early clutches were lined with leather and it will work fine. Look for a company that makes leather goods. Different parts of the cow have different thicknesses of hide, and you should be able to find some at least 3/16" to 1/4". If the original linings were riveted to the shoes, you can get new rivets from McMaster-Carr. If the shoes are nicely machined, you can use just about any type of adhesive in addition to the rivets. If the shoes are crudely finished, you might want to use an adhesive that will fill voids, such as JB Weld. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Aug 31 08:13:15 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:13:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves Message-ID: <20040831.115819.1336.6.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Bill, There doesn't seem to be any difference in the flywheel holes - but the keepers for the springs on the kick start housing are different. Maybe that's what you're thinking of. I have tried turning the flywheel 180? and found no difference. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 05:07:03 -0700 (PDT) bill at antique-engines.com writes: > As I recall from the two Y's I have, the flywheel should only bolt on > the > correct way - HOWEVER, I can see where the hole wears and the thing > would > possibly bolt on 180 degrees off. On mine, there was no choice > unless I > forced the bolt. (one side of the flywheel hole was larger than the > other) > > I'll have to look, seems to me I have 2 or 3 pieces left from a Y > parts > engine. > > Bill > (Time to rake leaves and turn the furnace on!) > > > jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > > > >>Thanks Leroy > >>I was able to muscle the valve springs out and -to get them back > in - I > >>squeezed them in a vice and used a light bailin wire to bind them > and > >>insert them. > >> > >>Worked okay - You can read in my last message that the Briggs "Y" > just > >>will not run. > >>I think the magnets might need recharged. > >> > >>Joe > >> > > Joe, now this might sound funny but.... Take off the flywheel, > bolted > > on, and turn it 180 degrees and try it again. I have had one or > two that > > this was critical and would only run with the flywheel on in the > proper > > location I might be interested in your extra parts if you decide > to > > strip one of them down. > > > > -- > > C-ya > > > > Leroy Clark > > > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we > give." > > W.A. NANCE > > > > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Aug 31 08:07:27 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:07:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves Message-ID: <20040831.115819.1336.4.jlb94@juno.com> Take off the flywheel, bolted on, and turn it 180 degrees and try it again. Thanks Leroy - - - I thought that might make a difference also. I've alweays marked the flywheel with chaulk because I felt it was critical to be a certain way. Tried that a couple times - No change. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 06:38:38 -0400 "Leroy C." writes: > jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > > >Thanks Leroy > >I was able to muscle the valve springs out and -to get them back in > - I > >squeezed them in a vice and used a light bailin wire to bind them > and > >insert them. > > > >Worked okay - You can read in my last message that the Briggs "Y" > just > >will not run. > >I think the magnets might need recharged. > > > >Joe > > > Joe, now this might sound funny but.... Take off the flywheel, > bolted > on, and turn it 180 degrees and try it again. I have had one or two > that > this was critical and would only run with the flywheel on in the > proper > location I might be interested in your extra parts if you decide to > > strip one of them down. > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From toadhill at aeroinc.net Tue Aug 31 09:14:23 2004 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:14:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters Message-ID: <003801c48f75$951148a0$27cc940c@mcness.com> Hi Folks, I'm new to the list so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right but here goes. Met a bunch of new SEL friends at Baraboo and Portland. Dave and Arnie, Steve and Mel and Pete to name just a few. Enjoyed the Thursday night banquet and the good company. I think a few of you are a little eccentric but then who isn't? Robert Bransen taught me a very valuable tip about igniters. Carbon builds up on the moveable electrode and causes the shaft to drag. You can trip it by hand or put a meter on it and it will act normal. However, it doesn't take much drag to cause the engine to stop. Try cleaning the shaft with carb cleaner and keep it well oiled. This helps about 80% of igniter troubles when the igniter is in good condition. Regards, Joe Maurer ----- Original Message ----- From: Message-ID: <4134B2C9.3010007@imc-group.com> Welcome to this eccentric list Joe and thanks for the advice on ignitors. I've got a question along the same lines concerning an ignitor on a Stickney. A Stickney ignitor has a sliding electrode instead of a rotating electrode. Every single time I start to run my Stickney I have to remove the ignitor and with great effort remove the stuck moving electrode from the brass body it lives in. It is never rusty, but rather it is carboned up to the point that it sticks tight if left overnight. Removing and cleaning the ignitor is just part of my starting procedure now, but it sure would be nice to eliminate this step! The ignitor is in great shape with nice close tolerances and everything glides nicely when clean. Should I be using a special oil to prevent the carbon build up? I've tried plain motor oil and 10wt. oil. Any suggestions? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote: >Hi Folks, > >I'm new to the list so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right but here goes. >Met a bunch of new SEL friends at Baraboo and Portland. Dave and Arnie, >Steve and Mel and Pete to name just a few. Enjoyed the Thursday night >banquet and the good company. I think a few of you are a little eccentric >but then who isn't? > >Robert Bransen taught me a very valuable tip about igniters. Carbon builds >up on the moveable electrode and causes the shaft to drag. You can trip it >by hand or put a meter on it and it will act normal. However, it doesn't >take much drag to cause the engine to stop. Try cleaning the shaft with >carb cleaner and keep it well oiled. This helps about 80% of igniter >troubles when the igniter is in good condition. > > > From Carrowor at comcast.net Tue Aug 31 11:02:50 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:02:50 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Yet another question References: <200408311405.i7VE5Na6026800@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <4134BD4A.000001.02732@NOTEBOOK> Thanks Rob, The little strips that were left are definately leather albeit extremely worn. LOL I appreciate the info. Bob Hi Bob, This shouldn't be a difficult job and you can probably complete it yourself with basic hand tools. If you intend to subject the clutch to heavy use or let it run for extraordinarily long periods while disengaged, get some brake lining material from McMaster-Carr. Get the softer, non-metallic material to prevent excessive wear. You can get it in various thicknesses, widths and sheets. If you're just going to use the clutch periodically or for light duty, use leather. Many early clutches were lined with leather and it will work fine. Look for a company that makes leather goods. Different parts of the cow have different thicknesses of hide, and you should be able to find some at least 3/16" to 1/4". If the original linings were riveted to the shoes, you can get new rivets from McMaster-Carr. If the shoes are nicely machined, you can use just about any type of adhesive in addition to the rivets. If the shoes are crudely finished, you might want to use an adhesive that will fill voids, such as JB Weld. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 31 11:43:21 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters In-Reply-To: <003801c48f75$951148a0$27cc940c@mcness.com> References: <003801c48f75$951148a0$27cc940c@mcness.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe, WELCOME to the list!!!! Ya know I've just been forced to significanly downgrade my assessment of your intelligence. You spent a week and a half at Baraboo and Portland with a whole bunch of list folks and you STILL signed up. Or maybe you're just a glutton for abuse. 8-))) For those of you who haven't yet had the pleasure of meeting Joe, he's a helluva nice guy with eclectic tastes. In addition to engines he's also into Olde Iron of a different sort; Pennsylvania long rifles. With any luck he'll tell us more about himself and his hobbies. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote: > I'm new to the list so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right but here goes. > Met a bunch of new SEL friends at Baraboo and Portland. Dave and Arnie, > Steve and Mel and Pete to name just a few. Enjoyed the Thursday night > banquet and the good company. I think a few of you are a little eccentric > but then who isn't? From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Aug 31 12:02:18 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:02:18 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Mason Michigan Steam Show Pictures Message-ID: Hi All, I have finished the site for a show that has lots of steam traction engines and few stationary engines. Thought some of you would like to look at the pics. Something different anyway. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/mason04/mason04.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 31 12:17:10 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:17:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves References: <20040831.115819.1336.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <4134CEB6.8020702@imc-group.com> Joe, On troublesome engines I'll tape or wire the plug wire such that it is about a 1/16" away from the the spark plug connector. Then I have a visual to check spark quality, spark regularity, and timing with the compression stroke. Plus the gap will act as an intensifier for an ill plug. Just a thought..... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC jlb94 at juno.com wrote: >Take off the flywheel, bolted >on, and turn it 180 degrees and try it again. > >Thanks Leroy - - - I thought that might make a difference also. >I've alweays marked the flywheel with chaulk because I felt it was >critical >to be a certain way. >Tried that a couple times - No change. > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 31 12:25:55 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:25:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters References: <003801c48f75$951148a0$27cc940c@mcness.com> <4134B2C9.3010007@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002801c48f90$567fdfa0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Welcome to the Cold World of things that make you Go Ummmm, Curt :) Why do you suppose it is that Stickney ignitors are unique in design. "BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO CLEAN THEM A LOT" Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Friends and Igniters > Welcome to this eccentric list Joe and thanks for the advice on ignitors. > I've got a question along the same lines concerning an ignitor on a > Stickney. > A Stickney ignitor has a sliding electrode instead of a rotating > electrode. Every single time I start to run my Stickney I have to remove > the ignitor and with great effort remove the stuck moving electrode from > the brass body it lives in. It is never rusty, but rather it is carboned > up to the point that it sticks tight if left overnight. > Removing and cleaning the ignitor is just part of my starting procedure > now, but it sure would be nice to eliminate this step! > The ignitor is in great shape with nice close tolerances and everything > glides nicely when clean. > Should I be using a special oil to prevent the carbon build up? I've tried > plain motor oil and 10wt. oil. > Any suggestions? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote: > >>Hi Folks, >> >>I'm new to the list so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right but here goes. >>Met a bunch of new SEL friends at Baraboo and Portland. Dave and Arnie, >>Steve and Mel and Pete to name just a few. Enjoyed the Thursday night >>banquet and the good company. I think a few of you are a little eccentric >>but then who isn't? >> >>Robert Bransen taught me a very valuable tip about igniters. Carbon >>builds >>up on the moveable electrode and causes the shaft to drag. You can trip >>it >>by hand or put a meter on it and it will act normal. However, it doesn't >>take much drag to cause the engine to stop. Try cleaning the shaft with >>carb cleaner and keep it well oiled. This helps about 80% of igniter >>troubles when the igniter is in good condition. >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Aug 31 12:38:31 2004 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:38:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lake Portland& Thanks Message-ID: Hey Friends, I too want to thank everyone involved in making Portland '04 another great event. It was great to see everyone again even if for a short time as always. I also want to thank everyone for making Carroll Ann welcome as it was her first Portland visit. Thankfully It rained just a tiny bit so that she could fully appreciate the Portland Experience. Anyway it worked, She is hooked now and wants to go back( I guess it was the moonlight stroll through OFES-land under the glow of Yellow Dogs that really did it!) I'm sorry my brother wasn't able to make it this year (and help me with the auction) but I'll bet he won't miss it next year! See ya soon, Steve Royster >From: Arnie Fero >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Lake Portland >Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:10:09 -0400 (EDT) > >Hi Luke, > >Man you hit the ol' nail on the head with this post! Portland IS the >people!! Once again I managed to spend a week there and not get to see >much of the ENGINE show. But I had a ball!! And the ones who weren't >there this year were greatly missed. > >One of the highlights for me was watching one of Neville Beaty's engine >mates (Craig Morrison) experience Portland for the first time. Craig is >from Scotland and has a really nice engine collection. I think it's fair >to say he was like the little kid in the candy store. He also got on >really well with the list folk so I'm guessing that we'll see him on-list >soon. > >As to Lake Portland, the SEL mob dealt with it really well. I think >Lincoln, Brooky, and that other big kid Susan had the most fun of all. I >also noticed that the SEL engines were running all through the downpour! > >This year I was on the receiving end of another "Portland SEL tradition", >namely getting a new found engine running. I had gotten a 2 hp Bessemer >from Steve Royster that he delivered to Portland. As with many a new >engine, no one knows how long it had been since it had run last. That >meant a fair amount of work to do. And then comes the point where you try >to get a chuff. And THAT is where the list folks really shine. Loads of >advice, encouragement, friendly abuse, loan of parts, extra hands, etc. >We finally hit the right combination of factors, and CHUFF! Off she >went! Ran the rest of the day and all of the next. Even in the HEAVY >rain. What a GREAT feeling. Thanks to EVERYONE who helped and heckled. >It was great fun!! > >Another highlight for me was meeting Sweet Thang (aka Carol Ann). Damn >what a charming gal!! Steve? She's a KEEPER!! And the best part was >watching her asking folks if they'd seen Steve's brother Mike. She said >she had a present for him. And I never knew that Mike even played >baseball let alone that he needed a new bat. 8-)))) > >> _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Aug 31 12:47:19 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:47:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters In-Reply-To: <4134B2C9.3010007@imc-group.com> References: <003801c48f75$951148a0$27cc940c@mcness.com> <4134B2C9.3010007@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4134D5C7.2040704@scrtc.com> Curt, Many of the old time engine manuals state to use coal oil to lubricate ignitors as motor oil will cause them to have build up and stick. I usually use WD 40 or something similar. It being a thin oil helps keep it from being so "gummy". Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Curt Holland wrote: > Welcome to this eccentric list Joe and thanks for the advice on ignitors. > I've got a question along the same lines concerning an ignitor on a > Stickney. > A Stickney ignitor has a sliding electrode instead of a rotating > electrode. Every single time I start to run my Stickney I have to > remove the ignitor and with great effort remove the stuck moving > electrode from the brass body it lives in. It is never rusty, but > rather it is carboned up to the point that it sticks tight if left > overnight. > Removing and cleaning the ignitor is just part of my starting > procedure now, but it sure would be nice to eliminate this step! > The ignitor is in great shape with nice close tolerances and > everything glides nicely when clean. > Should I be using a special oil to prevent the carbon build up? I've > tried plain motor oil and 10wt. oil. > Any suggestions? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> >> I'm new to the list so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right but here >> goes. >> Met a bunch of new SEL friends at Baraboo and Portland. Dave and Arnie, >> Steve and Mel and Pete to name just a few. Enjoyed the Thursday night >> banquet and the good company. I think a few of you are a little >> eccentric >> but then who isn't? >> >> Robert Bransen taught me a very valuable tip about igniters. Carbon >> builds >> up on the moveable electrode and causes the shaft to drag. You can >> trip it >> by hand or put a meter on it and it will act normal. However, it >> doesn't >> take much drag to cause the engine to stop. Try cleaning the shaft with >> carb cleaner and keep it well oiled. This helps about 80% of igniter >> troubles when the igniter is in good condition. >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Aug 31 12:57:30 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:57:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland hotels In-Reply-To: <007201c48e48$36600b30$0400a8c0@Dave> References: <4132A7D6.5080800@scrtc.com> <007201c48e48$36600b30$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <4134D82A.4040902@scrtc.com> Dave, If I'm not mistaken that's the "Who's Her" Inn. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hello Judge, > I don't expect you to know but someone on the List must. What is the > name of that girly man's motel that rents it's rooms by the hour? > Dave > > >>Glenn, >> >> Super 8 and Hoosier Inn are the 2 near the entrance. However, both >>have long standing reservations for the show and swap dates. I >>understand they will put your name on a list in January if an opening >>comes up but I would say it would be highly unlikely that one would as >>the list probably has 20 plus names on it already. If you are lucky >>enough to land one, get ready to pay. The Super 8 rooms will cost you >>about $125/night, Hoosier about $100. >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> >>Glenn Wilson wrote: >> >> >>>Sould someone please tell me AGAIN :( what the two hotels are that are >>>really close to >>>the engine show? I think one is a Super 8? I donno what the other one > > is - > >>>not the >>>dive.. >>>I'd like to come next year and bring with me my best lady friend yet :) >>>and of course Skip's 18HP Christensen too :) >>> >>>Thanks, Glenn >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Tue Aug 31 12:57:21 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:57:21 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters In-Reply-To: <4134D5C7.2040704@scrtc.com> References: <003801c48f75$951148a0$27cc940c@mcness.com> <4134B2C9.3010007@imc-group.com> <4134D5C7.2040704@scrtc.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:47:19 -0400, you wrote: >Curt, > > Many of the old time engine manuals state to use coal oil to >lubricate ignitors as motor oil will cause them to have build up and >stick. I usually use WD 40 or something similar. It being a thin oil >helps keep it from being so "gummy". > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY Just a thought, has anyone tried a drop of diesel detergent oil on the igniter ? It holds dirt in suspension and may well work better than regular oil in this application, and Fully Synthetic comes in 15W-40 grade so quite thin. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Aug 31 12:55:49 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:55:49 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters Message-ID: <083120041955.9801.449c@mchsi.com> Welcome onboard "Unca Joe"...finally decided to come out of your hiding place and say a few good words. For those of you that don't know Joe he comes from a long line of not only Gas engines, but Steam Tractors, not too mention being past president for one of the largest clubs in Illinois (Stephenson Cty Antique Engine Club, Freeport, Ill.), retired design control engineer for Honeywell Corp, Antique Car collector, Longrifle collector and all around good friend. Curt Andree > Hi Folks, > > I'm new to the list so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right but here goes. > Met a bunch of new SEL friends at Baraboo and Portland. Dave and Arnie, > Steve and Mel and Pete to name just a few. Enjoyed the Thursday night > banquet and the good company. I think a few of you are a little eccentric > but then who isn't? > > Robert Bransen taught me a very valuable tip about igniters. Carbon builds > up on the moveable electrode and causes the shaft to drag. You can trip it > by hand or put a meter on it and it will act normal. However, it doesn't > take much drag to cause the engine to stop. Try cleaning the shaft with > carb cleaner and keep it well oiled. This helps about 80% of igniter > troubles when the igniter is in good condition. > > Regards, > Joe Maurer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 31 13:08:13 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves In-Reply-To: <4134CEB6.8020702@imc-group.com> References: <20040831.115819.1336.4.jlb94@juno.com> <4134CEB6.8020702@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, Tape??? I thought we used kids like Devin to test the spark. 8-))) They provide audible indications of spark quality as well as visual. Dunno how well they work as intensifiers though.... See ya, Arnie On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Curt Holland wrote: > On troublesome engines I'll tape or wire the plug wire such that it is > about a 1/16" away from the the spark plug connector. Then I have a > visual to check spark quality, spark regularity, and timing with the > compression stroke. Plus the gap will act as an intensifier for an ill > plug. From Carrowor at comcast.net Tue Aug 31 13:44:26 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:44:26 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Mason Michigan Steam Show Pictures References: Message-ID: <4134E32A.000001.03380@NOTEBOOK> Hey Luke, I live just down the road from you in Holland. If you're feeling ambitious one of these days give me a yell. I'm trying to get an Economy 5hp running (well it runs but not right) and am always looking for advice (read that as HELP) email me direct if you like carrowor at comcast.net Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/31/04 15:04:15 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Mason Michigan Steam Show Pictures Hi All, I have finished the site for a show that has lots of steam traction engines and few stationary engines. Thought some of you would like to look at the pics. Something different anyway. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/mason04/mason04.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Tue Aug 31 13:58:17 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:58:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Small WWII engine ID ? Message-ID: While at Dayton we saw this little air-cooled engine but couldn't find any ID for it. It powered an aircraft heating system for outside parked aircraft. It is WWII vintage, and the white stuff in the picture is simulated snow. http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/Portland4061.jpg Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From solarrog at pacbell.net Tue Aug 31 14:03:34 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:03:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Small WWII engine ID ? References: Message-ID: <007e01c48f9d$fb3c7fa0$4af5c13f@pacbell.net> Peter its a Briggs and Stratton Most likely from the N series. It has the mechanical gov and the ball bearing pto side. Roger DiRuscio, The Realty Experts. Sales since 1977 contact 510-226-9785 Fremont,Ca 94539 Collector restorer of antique marine engines, Motorscooters, Micro cars private pilot 1981, Ham radio KG6QKZ Volunteer Cert-Comm member, Fremont Fire department. web site--- scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:58 PM Subject: [SEL] Small WWII engine ID ? > While at Dayton we saw this little air-cooled engine but couldn't find any ID > for it. It powered an aircraft heating system for outside parked aircraft. > > It is WWII vintage, and the white stuff in the picture is simulated snow. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/Portland4061.jpg > > Peter > > -- > Peter & Rita Forbes > diesel at easynet.co.uk > Engine pages for preservation info: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Aug 31 14:21:39 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:21:39 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters References: <003801c48f75$951148a0$27cc940c@mcness.com> Message-ID: <4134EBE3.FDD8B386@insulate.co.uk> Hi Joe Welcome to the List! I'm a bit concerned that you think some of us are "a little eccentric" though. Arnie, Dave, Joe P, etc - what was the matter with you all? Were you taming things down to try to look better? Dolly Official SEL Flame Mistress Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I'm new to the list so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right but here goes. > Met a bunch of new SEL friends at Baraboo and Portland. Dave and Arnie, > Steve and Mel and Pete to name just a few. Enjoyed the Thursday night > banquet and the good company. I think a few of you are a little eccentric > but then who isn't? > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From Carrowor at comcast.net Tue Aug 31 15:32:04 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:32:04 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] YES YES YES Message-ID: <4134FC64.000003.03128@NOTEBOOK> I'd like to take a minute and thank you one and all for your help and suggestions!!! The ole' 5hp Economy actually cranked up and ran for a straight hour for me this afternoon!!! sounded good and to know the last time she ran was 1977 and then she only fired a few times before the mag died. Now one more question, it's very apparent that I need to install a check valve in the fuel line but haven't been able to locate one locally, any suggestions??? Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From alanb2 at webtv.net Tue Aug 31 17:10:32 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:10:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] YES YES YES In-Reply-To: "Bob Jacobs" 's message of Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:32:04 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <6576-41351378-2643@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net> Hi Bob, Great feeling when the fire up ain't it???? Now,,, The easiest way to aquire a check valve is to make one. Basically a check valve is just a brass fitting or adapter with a metal ball inside it. Most of them I have made started with a brass fitting that adapts 1/8" pipe to 1/4" compression. Read it all before starting. 8>)) To make it a check valve remove the compression nut and toss away the compression sleeve. Now drop in a brass, steel or stainless steel ball. It don't fit???? I forgot to tell you that I drill out the opening to 1/32" over the dia. of the ball. I use a 5/16" ball. I clamp the fitting in my drill press vise. I also have had better luck drilling right through the compression nut too. That means I picked up an extra nut at the hardware store. In my kit that is hiding around here somewhere I keep that drilled nut and have used it lots of times. Anyway,,,, After it is drilled larger drop the 5/16" ball in and put on an undrilled compression nut. Hold the fitting with the nut down. The ball will seal against the nut. The problem here is when the engine sucks the ball will seal in the top too,,,,,, So,,, Open it back up and use a small triangle shaped file to cut some grooves in the fitting so the gas can get around the top of the ball. Now you have a usable check valve. I think the one I just reworked for my new engine was a fitting to go from 1/8" pipe to 1/8" compression. I don't like the design as well, but since I made some changes it works O.K. I hope this helps, Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan ~~~~Bob?Jacobs wrote~~~~~ I'd like to take a minute and thank you one and all for your help and suggestions!!! The ole' 5hp Economy actually cranked up and ran for a straight hour for me this afternoon!!! sounded good and to know the last time she ran was 1977 and then she only fired a few times before the mag died. Now one more question, it's very apparent that I need to install a check valve in the fuel line but haven't been able to locate one locally, any suggestions??? Bob From oldengin at udata.com Tue Aug 31 17:14:21 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:14:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT keyless remote program In-Reply-To: <391to2$7ie07u@mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <391to2$7ie07u@mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <4135145D.3000904@udata.com> jbcast at charter.net wrote: >Leroy, let me know the year and model, I'll let you know the procedure. >J.B. Castagnos >Belle Rose, LA > > > JB, I tried this off list and you must not have gotten it. 1998 Ford Expedition does this help? -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From oldengin at udata.com Tue Aug 31 17:17:44 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:17:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters In-Reply-To: <4134EBE3.FDD8B386@insulate.co.uk> References: <003801c48f75$951148a0$27cc940c@mcness.com> <4134EBE3.FDD8B386@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <41351528.5010006@udata.com> Jim French wrote: >Hi Joe > >Welcome to the List! > >I'm a bit concerned that you think some of us are "a little eccentric" though. >Arnie, Dave, Joe P, etc - what was the matter with you all? Were you taming >things down to try to look better? > >Dolly >Official SEL Flame Mistress > >Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote: > > > >>Hi Folks, >> >>I'm new to the list so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right but here goes. >>Met a bunch of new SEL friends at Baraboo and Portland. Dave and Arnie, >>Steve and Mel and Pete to name just a few. Enjoyed the Thursday night >>banquet and the good company. I think a few of you are a little eccentric >>but then who isn't? >> >> >> > >-- >Jim French >fbi at insulate.co.uk >http://www.insulate.co.uk > > > > Welcome and good luck!!!!! but is this a complement ? cause I ain't never been charged with electric fore -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From Carrowor at comcast.net Tue Aug 31 17:25:30 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:25:30 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] YES YES YES References: <6576-41351378-2643@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <413516FA.000003.02244@NOTEBOOK> Hello and thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This fuel line is 5/16 but I understand the principals you've stated. Off to the hardware then workshop I go (first thing in the morning) Yes, marvelous feeling, but when you live just 4 blocks from the downtown shopping area, and you fire up something of this size (with bad timing) every cop in town feels it's his duty to see what all the noise is. LOL I had the entire town's police force in the back yard scratching their heads and other parts in amazement. LOL Let's just say they "requested" I not run it after 9 PM. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From avanti_64 at juno.com Tue Aug 31 17:38:49 2004 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (Joe Kelley) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:38:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Weather at shows this year Message-ID: <20040831.203850.-460045.0.avanti_64@juno.com> Those attending Canandaigua,NY thought we had crummy weather while at the show, but I don't think that show can hold a candle to Portland, Indiana... In spite of the weather, it sure sounds like everyone had a good time. We will make it out there some year. Joe Kelley PS: We will be attending the show in Clio, Michigan in 3 weeks, any list members planning on going? ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From alanb2 at webtv.net Tue Aug 31 17:52:46 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:52:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] YES YES YES In-Reply-To: "Bob Jacobs" 's message of Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:25:30 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <6578-41351D5E-1081@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net> Cool story, Bob. Sounds like you need a better muffler for home use. 8>)) Yup, I figured your fuel line would be bigger. That just means bigger parts. Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan From Carrowor at comcast.net Tue Aug 31 17:53:50 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:53:50 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Weather at shows this year References: <20040831.203850.-460045.0.avanti_64@juno.com> Message-ID: <41351D9E.000005.02244@NOTEBOOK> Clio used to be a really nice though small show. I haven't been there in many years but may just have to make a sincere effort this year. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/31/04 20:44:24 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Weather at shows this year Those attending Canandaigua,NY thought we had crummy weather while at the show, but I don't think that show can hold a candle to Portland, Indiana... In spite of the weather, it sure sounds like everyone had a good time. We will make it out there some year. Joe Kelley PS: We will be attending the show in Clio, Michigan in 3 weeks, any list members planning on going? ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 31 18:19:55 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:19:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pictures of Portland Coming Soon Message-ID: <015201c48fc1$cd3291c0$230110ac@VAIO> Hey Gang this year I spent a lot of time taking pictures of all of the show at Portland, I took over 200 and I am working on processing them now so I can get them on a Webpage for everyone to see. I will be posting then in the following categories: Picture Album of the SEL Dinner and Auction at the Back 40 Restaurant at Decatur Picture Album of the SEL Area - People and Displays Picture Album of the Main Display Area including the Big Oil Field Engines Picture Album of The Tractors - Steam Engines - Sawmill - Thresher - Etc. Picture Album of the Vendors and Swap Area. I hope to have covered all of the show with my pictures with the exception of the Crafts and Antique Vendors which I did not do. I am doing this since there are so many pictures and a lot of folks may only be interested in seeing certain things, this way they can pick and choose the albums they want to see. I hope to have all of the albums done in the next couple of days so be looking for them. Paul From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Aug 31 18:09:37 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:09:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves Message-ID: <20040831.213041.472.6.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Curt, I'm now convinced I'm doing something totally stupid. I just haven't figured out what it is. Tomorrow - I'm going to take the mess apart again. I think I might have shorted the capacitor when installing the electrics from Briggs #1 - to Briggs #2. The fine wire that went from the coil to the points via the capacitor broke and I had to do some soldering to the capacitor. I think I might have screwed up there. Tomorrow is another day. (This is rediculous !) I should be wasting my time on a REAL engine !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Aug 31 18:25:08 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:25:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Mason Michigan Steam Show Pictures Message-ID: <20040831.213041.472.9.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Luke - Thanks for the pics of the Mason Steam Show. I don't care much for tractors (yet) but sure like the steam pics. Thanks. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Aug 31 18:19:16 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:19:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] YES YES YES Message-ID: <20040831.213041.472.8.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Bob, Congrats on getting the Economy running. As for the check valve - Make it. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:32:04 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Bob Jacobs" writes: > I'd like to take a minute and thank you one and all for your help > and > suggestions!!! > > The ole' 5hp Economy actually cranked up and ran for a straight hour > for me > this > afternoon!!! sounded good and to know the last time she ran was > 1977 and > then > she only fired a few times before the mag died. > > Now one more question, it's very apparent that I need to install a > check > valve in > the fuel line but haven't been able to locate one locally, any > suggestions??? > > Bob > Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, > others just use the initials! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Aug 31 17:59:49 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:59:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs "Y" Message-ID: <20040831.213041.472.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, Sorry if anyone expected a responce from me on the Briggs "Y" and didn't get it. The list monitor said my last post was too big and that I should keep it below 10 KB. I can't imagine what happened. Anyway, I haven't given up.. I took Briggs "Y" #2 and had it running this morning. Then I decided to replace ALL the electrics on Briggs #1 with the electrics from Briggs #2. After I got all done - I have even LESS SPARK than I had on the Briggs #1 in the first place. I'm leaning toward the Capicator - Where can I get a good capacitor? Shouldn't one from anything else work ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Aug 31 18:15:33 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:15:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves Message-ID: <20040831.213041.472.7.jlb94@juno.com> Hey Arnie - I thought we used kids like Devin to test the spark. Since my kid got wise to "hold this" - I have to hold it myself. Now - Not only can I tell if there's spark - I can also time an engine by the fluttering of my eyelids. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From Carrowor at comcast.net Tue Aug 31 18:43:48 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:43:48 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Briggs Valves References: <20040831.213041.472.7.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <41352954.000001.01492@NOTEBOOK> Ah Ha, Come on over and fine-time my Economy for me Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 08/31/04 21:40:11 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Briggs Valves Hey Arnie - I thought we used kids like Devin to test the spark. Since my kid got wise to "hold this" - I have to hold it myself. Now - Not only can I tell if there's spark - I can also time an engine by the fluttering of my eyelids. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From billalan at busynet.net Tue Aug 31 19:49:06 2004 From: billalan at busynet.net (Bill Herreid) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:49:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lake Portland In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <413538A2.9090402@busynet.net> I have to say for this being my first visit to Portland, it won't be my last if I have anything to say about it. I had a great time meeting all of the list members and seeing the overwhelming number of engines and vendors (never did make it through all of them, but did find the parts I knew I needed). Even without the rain it would have been a memorable experience, but with the addition of the rain, I am sure never to forget it. While I am not a person who posts regularly, I do follow the list closely, and have even learned a thing or two from it, and contribute when I can. I am fairly new to the hobby, and only have one flywheel engine of my own, a 1929 Economy XK, on which the piston still does not move. But I have been helping my dad with his engines for a couple of years, and going to some local shows to learn more about the engines. In fact, this weekend we will be taking a trip to the Rock River show in Edgerton. Looking forward to next year at Lake Portland (hopefully the tides will be down). From the Cheddar Curtain - Bill Herreid From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Aug 31 15:37:26 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:37:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters References: <003801c48f75$951148a0$27cc940c@mcness.com><4134B2C9.3010007@imc-group.com> <4134D5C7.2040704@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <00ba01c49002$64068620$190d1bd3@athlon> Ever thought of trying a teflon type dry lube or similar? Might work. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Friends and Igniters > Curt, > > Many of the old time engine manuals state to use coal oil to > lubricate ignitors as motor oil will cause them to have build up and > stick. I usually use WD 40 or something similar. It being a thin oil > helps keep it from being so "gummy". > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Aug 31 15:40:54 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:40:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters References: <003801c48f75$951148a0$27cc940c@mcness.com> <4134EBE3.FDD8B386@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <00bb01c49002$65131420$190d1bd3@athlon> Hi Joe. You aint met the Ozzie mob yet either!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Friends and Igniters > Hi Joe > > Welcome to the List! > > I'm a bit concerned that you think some of us are "a little eccentric" though. > Arnie, Dave, Joe P, etc - what was the matter with you all? Were you taming > things down to try to look better? > > Dolly > Official SEL Flame Mistress From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Aug 31 18:32:21 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:32:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters Message-ID: <20040901.101915.796.0.jlb94@juno.com> >Hi Joe > >Welcome to the List! > >I'm a bit concerned that you think some of us are "a little eccentric" though. = = = = = What's is eccentric ??? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 31 13:00:36 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:00:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 dates? References: <00b501c48e48$03b79950$0300a8c0@paul><005401c48ef3$67790cc0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <41345270.7030907@udata.com> Message-ID: <000101c4904d$9c9af8e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> In fact I was made an honorary > tractor member, they ask that I walk into their area backwards for some > reason. Sounds like they made you a prospect Leroy . Do you have to fetch them cold beers and polish their motorcyc - I mean , tractors during this probationary period ? Chuck